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Sterling K. Brown

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Sterling K. Brown

"Hey Guys Willie geist here with another episode of The Sunday. Sit Down podcast. My thanks as always for clicking and listening along with US my guest. This week is another good one. I think actor Sterling K. Brown you know of course as one of the stars of the hit. Nbc Show. The people have to watch with a full box of tissues. This is us the tear jerker now in its fourth season. An amazing cast of which Sterling K. Brown is an Emmy and Golden Globe winning member joining me now is always the producer of this fine podcast and the producer of these sterling k. Brown interview for this week Maggie Law. Hey Maggie before we get to the important business of this interview the more important. It's more important as we spoke last. Maggie law is engaged. Get Nice yes. My eyes are blind reflection in this fluorescent lights. Thank you so much thank you. Thank you like me yet your fiance for one hundred years. One hundred Actually ten we met at a boarding school and we've been dating since the end of junior year of high school. Yeah so so. We share that. Yes beginning junior in high school right. We did it for a long time. Broke up a little while a little break and then we found each other again. But we'll say we did not have a little break ten years strong and here we are. I'm telling you deep roots are good for the marriage. Graduation Cam very excited. And let's talk about our interview Sterling K. Brown is a guide. Met a couple times. Didn't know well had really high hopes for the interviews faced on what I know of them is being sort of Like a smart interesting guy but also the serve electric speaker and presents and I have to say. He exceeded everything for electric. I think it's a way to say it. He really I feel like he brought it to the interview. And just the nicest guy you just love when you meet them and they're just so nice and they say everybody in the room just like there too. I feel like he really brought it to the one of those people. You hope they'll be who you think. They actually was. He I think part of that is is that he's earned his place. We talk a lot about this in an interview. He was sort of on this. Thirteen year grind small roles. Tv He says. Look I was happy. Acting was paying the bills. I bought a house but hadn't had that sort of big break in Hollywood and then in the fall of two thousand sixteen along comes people that was rising he'll he won the emmy for that right people versus Oj Simpson. We played Johnny Cochran. That was earlier in two thousand sixteen and then shortly after this is US comes up. That's it really was the crazy thing for. I think now things are stupid good. She's always good now. They're stupid again. A little background for people. I know you like to paint a picture in your mind as you listened to these interviews of where we are where a place called the Public Theater. New York City of famous famous place that so many of the actors adventure to say every famous actor you know has played a part there or started there in New York City. And we're upstairs in the library there. Yeah Sterling actually sweat. He asked to do the interview. It's one of his favorite spots. He went to Grad school at Nyu so right nearby and he said when he was in school there every dreamed of performing at the public at some point. You always wanted to do Shakespeare in the park and everything like that. Eventually he got to do a show there. I think twenty fourteen and so he requested to it there. That was great spot. And then you'll hear later we get up walk around a little bit in Washington Square and very cool moments of a place. He used to walk around dreaming of being somebody right in that business. He draws the crowds. We walk in the park and boom flies. Honey came on to Sterling K. Brown all those. This is US fans. His new film is called waves. It's a lot about fatherhood. He's Kinda Domineering Dad. In this movie he lost his own father in real life at the age of ten To me it was the best moment of the interview. You can listen and see if you agree when he started just going into the story of the day and I will say I in an interview setting. It's hard to sometimes because the lights and there's people around to get lost in the emotion. It was as emotional as I remember viewing really. You're really feeling it that moment. He was so first of all. I'm just grateful that anyone would share such a personal story. Really has that with me Of the day his father died and he was ten years old. I have a ten year old son. I think part of that hit me ask. What would it be like if I left my ten year? Old Son An unexpectedly in in such a sudden way and he remembers every detail the day in. He volunteered it. You know. It's not something I would ask him to describe because it is so traumatic man. Did he go there? Yeah he did. It was really emotional. But it felt special that he was able to share with you and significant. Because it's how he tapped into characters in waves but also in this awesome us. Yeah Cathartic moment for him able to sort of say goodbye to his dad in a way. Okay we've described the interview. Just let Sterling K. Brown tell the story himself Sterling K. Brown right now on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast sterling. Thanks for doing this great to see you got a Lotta history to talk about you in this neighborhood. You in this theater stomping grounds dude. I went to Nyu from ninety eight two. Oh one I lived one astor place right around the corner and so the public was this fixture like this beacon of when we get out of school. Maybe we'll get a chance to work at the public. Maybe we'll get a chance to do Shakespeare in the park and got a chance to work here on a couple of occasions and it's been magical every time I was telling you I've interviewed a number of actors who said I want to do the interview at the Public Theater at. What is it about this place that so special for people who don't even know about? There's all these people that come through here right so you know like Meryl Streep is done Shakespeare in the park Leeann have like you said I seen him do Hamlet You see all these actors whose careers you want to emulate and they could be off doing all these fancy movies and TV shows etc but they take time to make sure that that muscle of being able to tread the boards never atrophies because they care about the art of illuminating the human condition and that sort of what was embedded in my fiber at Grad school at Nyu. And so. It's something that I keep coming back to over and over again. I mean you look at the faces on that wall. It's every major actor you've ever heard of. It's kind of stupid. They've all been here all of them and you too So we'll talk more about that but I said we were walking in here. It's the highest compliment. I could pay an actor as I didn't know where to begin with you. You have so much going on right now. But let's start with the film waves. Yeah which is unique and different than anything. I've seen it tells a beautiful story and it really uses music. Well how do you describe this project when you first read it? Did you get what they were going for? That's that's a good question it's hard. It's complicated it is complicated. Because it's a hard movie to describe the people. It's a family drama that focuses more on the children of this family. It's an African American family. Mother Father Son and a daughter and the first half of the movie. Sorta is the sun's half the movie and the second half of the movie you kind of shift narratives and it becomes the daughter's journey. There's a major tragedy that happens in the midpoint. I'm not gonNA give away But it also is sort of shows how a family deals with grief loss and how you keep moving forward with with grace and with love In the music is huge. Even like I said in the script their music cues laid into the script. So you press a button. Listen to a song as you read the scene Our director writer Trey Atwood Schultz. Had something very specific in mind in the movies autobiographical? I should say and then leaps into narrative fiction and then back autobiography and then to narrative fiction. Because I say that because he is white right and the movie focuses on an African American family but because he hired Calvin Harrison junior to play the role of the son in the family because they worked on a film before it comes at night they sort of collaborate and said like. Tell me something about your childhood about your father about what it was like for you to grow up in New Orleans etc and so they combined their narratives and came up with the story together and it was a real collaboration from the onset And I think we came up with something special. It is unique. It's unlike anything I've seen before you're a good position in your career where you can get a script and sort of decide whether or not it's something that's worth all the time that you put into a role. What was it about this story that jumped off the page to you okay? So I was shooting. This is us at the time and my agent. My manager read the script and he said we think this is pretty special. I was like guys like I got a job on the show. And they're like yeah but check it out. If you like it maybe we can make it work. First and foremost it was something completely different than Randall. Pearson whom I love and Adore. But now that you have the opportunity to not be locked into one character and to be known solely for that character. I try to take advantage of those opportunities whenever they are offered to me now to keep going with that point about ten years ago there wasn't the same sort of fluidity between film and Television. Right and now that it exists. It's like I'm kidding. Candy store on jump around and play and as many sandboxes as I can This guy was is a father in in waves who is very much present For his family but is a hard man not the easiest father to get along with. And so what? I enjoy the challenge of inhabiting people who aren't readily likable. But who are humane. Who are good and my goal is not to be liked but to be understood so I enjoy the challenge of finding someone who people be like. I don't know if I like this dude. But trying to find his heart and I think the character has a really beautiful journey without giving too much away. I think he recognizes by the end of the film. That the way that he is in the beginning didn't elicit the results that he was looking for so that there is a strength invulnerability that he has to access in order to continue going with his family because of the heartbreak he suffers. We won't give away to look at himself again and say exacted. I have some role in this. Yes did you bring any of your own parenting? You've got two boys due to this role I imagine it's hard in some ways to separate the way you act as a dad and the way you raise your children from a character do bring some of yourself to it. I think I bring myself to every character. I play Different parts of yourself. Come out with different characters. Randall is adorable elites sweet and I think I have a sweetness to me And then there's an edge to me as well Please ask my wife when you get a chance to be like. Oh Yeah he's got their times which my son plays flag football and soccer right now right and I'll catch myself just barking on the side that dad. I can be Willie at times that dad but I do it with the hopes of trying to instruct right and there are times when she takes instruction their times he'll stop in the middle of the game and he'd be like can you please be quiet and I'll be like my bad my bad bring it down but like we have a dialogue. I think that's the good thing about it. I came here when I go too far right. And he's like I need you to press pause. I got you backing up right now. There's another layer to that too. Which is the other parents looking at sterling k? Brown barking every once in a while but most of the other parents barking right. Okay with me all right. Yeah Yeah so you're not alone not alone. You talked about this being filmed about loss. Clearly it is grieving You had that in your own family. Obviously when you were a young boy at ten years old on the other side of it. How much of that did you bring to this part I? The whole dynamic of fathers and sons is one that resonates with me and is resonating really strong right now. My Dad was forty five when he passed away and I was ten and I'm forty three now and I think I knew that that was young when I was a child but now that I'm two years away from that age I'd I know beyond a shadow of doubt that it's painfully young. And so I I have this desire to sort of carry the old man around with me and infuse him into a lot of the things that I do. Especially right now. Because he's just very very in the forefront of my consciousness and I saw this relationship between a father and the son on the page and it it's not a perfect relationship and I think there's parts of it that allow me when you step into somebody who is imperfect you may have been judging them their imperfection as if you are perfect and they should be perfect like you but step inside them in you recognize. None of us are perfect and truly believed that all of us do the best that we know how to until we know how to do better. And so there's a part of me that was actually able to forgive aspects of my dad aspects of other men in my family who were paternal figures because I recognize that the love didn't always feel loving but it was love on the less. I know exactly what you mean about the age because when you were ten years old and your dad was so young forty five. He's still felt like a grown man. Okay maybe that's when people died but when you reach the age you and I are about the same age you go wait a minute. No that wasn't fair not at all. Yeah not all the way to sue way too soon way too sad and I remember. I was the first time I ever saw my mom cry. Because she wasn't a crier I remember like really specific. Things Waking up that morning going into the kitchen and my mom being on the phone calling the paramedics and ask them meet a put clothes on my dad because he was naked in the bed and his body was stiff stiff as a board and I tried to pull unaware up on him. It was uncomfortable for me. I was uncomfortable for him. He says go get your mom. Go Utah I go back to the kitchen. Mommy wants you and she got mad at me for not doing what she wanted but she gets him dressed the paramedics come in and they carry them out and we have a split level house after. Go down the steps to get to the front door. And as they're carrying them out on a stretcher he looks at me over the railing any wings wings came out the door. Last time I saw last time I saw will say this about Sterling Brown Junior. He filled me up with so much. Love Willie I was his only son. My mom has to other biological children from her first marriage and I have an adopted brother and sister who when I got twenty five. She's like well. I guess I should start all over again and got a six month old and then my little sister is about a year and a half younger than my little brother. But so I was my dad's kid. Yeah right by our his boy and we were tight like I like football because my dad likes football. I Like Boxing. Because my dad likes boxing. I Love Movies and Television because my dad loves movies and television and we would watch movies for hours. It was the beginning of. Don't tell mommy watching this. You know what I'm saying. He would watch things that we're completely and totally inappropriate. But I would watch. Now I would see the joy that he would derive from it and the joy that our derived from it. And maybe on a subconscious level would be like man. How cool would it be to bring that kind of joy to lots of people because it was transported for both of us and so while the time was short? It was everything that I could have hoped for for ten years. Either ten-year-old son right now and so the idea of being separated from him leaving him. That quickly with a wink is unthinkable to me. Do you ever think it's unfair. You talk with such love and joy and you find a blessing in it. Sure that it led you to the career you found in succeeded in. Was there a time though where it made you angry? Oh yeah there's a time I think so from ten to sixteen. I DID NOT GRIEVE. My father's death right. I didn't think that I could cry. I thought that had to be the man of the House. Like mom is crying. I gotTa keep it together is also growing up Christian believing that he was in a better place. Maybe they'd like he'd been sort of unhappy. He lost his job. As a grocery store clerk kroger stores and have been laid off for a few months and I could see learn valuable life lesson what I do and who I am are two separate and distinct distinct things and I have to know who I am first and foremost because of I'm ever taken away. My my job is ever taken away from me. I still need to know my own personal value right and I saw his value just decline and his in his own eyes and his sense of self worth right but so that's six years ago. He's in a better place and you know he doesn't have to be in pain anymore. And then I turned fifteen sixteen. I just blew. Who'd I can't even really explain? It like grief works in funny ways but I just balled and I missed him and I I was acting and I was playing varsity football. And he's like two of his favorite things and he wasn't getting the chance to experience his boy do these things that he loved so much. I felt the loss riding. And that's when because I went by shelby right until I was sixteen and I was just like no. It's time to be sterling. It's it's time to hear that name again because when people call me by that name I get a chance to carry a piece of him with me so there was a period. But I'm a true believer that all things work for good and everything happens for a reason. There's a lesson in at all if you look for it right. Circumstances don't define us but our reaction to those circumstances is what matters and so I'm I just take the black and Brown. I said I had ten good years and I WANNA make sure that my kids have more. You know what I mean. I WANNA make sure. My kids are eight and four. So he's just two years away so I feel like the template for fatherhood I kind of got it for the next two years and then after that I'm in a whole new territory right. We never had sex talks or anything like that so those things are going to be coming down on all right. I'll just be making it up as I go listen. I saw the pictures of men's health. I don't think you're going anywhere anytime soon. You I love the moment when you won your emmy to and you've got to stand on the stage and say some of the things you just said to me to the World About Your Dad. What did that feel like knowing that he in some way inspired you to get to that place where you ended up like? That's a it's a magical view that not too many people get to take a stand on stage and it reminded me of this year. Darrell Jerome One. Best lead actor in limited series. Had everybody stood up and applauded for because his performance outstanding and I don't know if I was outstanding or not but people stood up and it was this overwhelming moment of like. Wow you guys see me as like belonging as being worthy To be embraced by your peers in that way was really sort of overwhelming moment but to get a chance to share him and mom with the world. Yeah Yeah it's cool and and then also too. I know he sought right like I know he was there and he was very very happy. There's no question. Yeah as he sat and watched those movies with you that he didn't much tell your mom you were watching you said. Imagine you'd be one of those people I remember. We want terminator. I was like turn. Isn't that part of fatherhood than my dad? When I was nine took me see Beverly Hills cop? I remember sitting there going. You should be watching. This is just A. That's it don't repeat any of these words this. I also don't think people realize because you came into most people's lives about three years ago four years ago if you go back to Oj. How long you've been working to get to this. Point had thirteen years to get to the place where you were standing on that stage and you were grinding. You're out you're famous. Shows shook but he didn't have the lead in the show notes. Was there ever a point those thirteen years? Where you said yourself. I don't know if I'm going to end up where I thought I was going to end up all right. So is his an anecdote. I did my first series regular was on. Fx Show called starved right and it started the same year as it's always sunny in Philadelphia. They both have seasons like seven episodes of peace as about Belichick A group of People with eating disorders and New York City and I played it. Belichick New York City Cop who had pullover bicycle delivery people on trumped up traffic charges. Still their food is compensation and then binge and purge right one time. I threw up that I was by myself on a pile of garbage and there was a homeless man sleeping in the garbage and I told him to get a real house. Don't know why it didn't last anyways. Is that a comedy was. It was definitely and so my mom. My mom watched the pilot and I said this is a good Christian soldier. Now you gotta understand. I said I appreciate you watching the pilot. If you don't WanNa Watch anymore I understand and my mother touched my name and she said thank you. I have out as quickly as she could right. So the show goes it's seven episodes. We don't get renewed but always sunny in Philadelphia my man Charlie Day and all those guys go on for like fifteen sixteen season. Yeah crazy we finish the show and my mom goes D. Do you WanNa come home now. I said my I was just a series where I go on a TV show. And she's like. Yeah but that's showing Ed. So she wanted me to turn it in because she didn't think it was gonNA work out. She had expectations as parents often. Do sure right I graduated from. Nyu Gone to Stanford University for Undergrad. And my Grad School I say God. We spent a lot of money on this degree right. I know there's no guarantees on things working out in any particular way. Can I please pay my bill by bills by doing what it is that I love? If I can do that I call it a wash good. I have paid my bills doing nothing other than act since I graduated from school right and everybody has a very different path. There's temp jobs and different kinds of day jobs bartending catering etc etc. I've been blessed to be able to tell stories to pay my bill so that first thirteen years in change laboring in obscurity was fantastic. I paid off my student loans right. I bought a house I had a son I was married like things were good. And then this last four years things have been do bigger so it's not like. I ever anticipate at this moment to happen right but thirteen years with what I thought it was going to be. And that was success right to be able to work at what you love that success. This is just gravy like delicious gravy. I had a great biscuit now into sobbing. Sobbing at is just a stupid good. You were happy with good. You didn't even need stupid good though. I was my first job out of school so I moved up to Harlem and now a New York for nine eleven living in Harlem and a four story walkup and the water pressure got worse. The higher up you went in the building and so I took a shower. Which was a shared shower for the a. Lotta shower in my apartment right. There's three apartments on the hall. That all shared a shower. A sketch right and the water pressure was so bad. I had to move my body around this to get my whole body. Wet Right this furnished room which had one window and I had my little green fan. Everybody knows the little. Oh Yeah I would lay down on top of the bed and my birthday suit does not pornographic I would lay in my birthday suit because it was so hot the summer of one I would get up. There would be a perfect sweat. Imprint of my body on top of the sheep like I would ride the bus up and down one hundred twenty fifth just for a right this real right but the room cost eighty five dollars a week and my first job was at the classical stage company. For Kafka's short story turned operatic called in the penal colony right. It was directed by Joanna Colitis with original music by Philip. Glass and I didn't speak in this role. It was a movement thing right. Just did choreography taking care of this prisoner right. I made three hundred dollars a week for this GIG. I cleared to fifteen. And you couldn't tell me I was doing the Duke Man. I was in New York City as a working actor and I could not have been happier and it's interesting because I think about that time and I've been experienced so much more success and life is incredibly fulfilling right now but Mike pure joy points. I don't know if I've ever been happy. It's interesting too. Don't you think there's something about earning over those thirteen years where you ended up? I was thinking as you were talking. I interviewed Orlando Bloom about a month or so like this. He graduated from college and the next day was on the set of Lord of the Rings and he didn't have that between and he talked about having to sort of go back and do theater and learn how to become a good actor. You had all that training and it was almost like this last four years. Have been reward for all that work and that apartment you lived in uptown it. It feels good like and it also feels very much appreciated. Yes you know because you know that those moments don't come around like this last four years to be able to go from. Oj To this is us like. It doesn't happen like that for a lot of people and it doesn't happen with great frequency. I'm incredibly appreciative. Of this moment I know so many talented people that don't receive this moment so no. It's not a pure meritocracy. You know what I'm saying like preparation meets opportunity. That is luck right but you have to be prepared for it and you have to be presented the opportunity and I got that and then things changed. So what was the moment for you when things change was it the acclaim you've got for the People vs. Oj Simpson. Was that the first big pop or was it before that or was it. This is us. When did you start to feel like okay? Things are changing for me here I would say onset of. Oj Okay We would have the editor would come up to Sarah Paulson and myself and be like you guys are cutting together really nice. Got Some serious chemistry. Thanks Buddy Pretty Shannon graduate enjoying it and then the producers would be like Brown. Just keep doing what you're doing you becoming the height of the series house guys. Chris dying like nobody likes but he's like no no no for real just trust us and I was like okay. I'll keep doing it and I remember going home one day and my wife was giving me a hard time because she wanted to go work out and I was trying to work on my lines and can be come. Sort of Obsessive I go into the garage and disliked. Lock myself for hours. I just work and work hitting tie feel like get into a place where I WANNA present it to people. And she's like I need you to come watch these kids. You still father. I know I am but I'm trying to accomplish all right. 'cause I don't lose my temper that often and so she saw that like I was really trying to focus. I I knew something special was in the ether. You know what I mean and when we finished shooting as like I know I've watched some wonderful performances. I I've sat across from Courtney. I've sat across from Sarah as I know that these are wonderful performances if I happen to be in there and their range maybe something could come from this right so as we started to get towards the end and I remember Brad Simpson one of our producers. Came Up to me is. Don't take another job until after the first six episodes. Come right like really. He's like trust me. I'd already booked US already. Got A job but but that was. That was a special moment because not only. Do you feel the confidence of people. Sort of knowing your work before you. Sorta re- proving yourself with each job. Like each job's not leading to like the next great job is just like job job job and it's not like a steps that I go up right after. Oj It it was like steps and it was like people saying what do you want do. How can we be in partnership with you and you're like me after? Like just waiting for people like please them have small like all of a sudden they like. We want to work with you and you decide. It's crazy and that's a crazy thing because you spent thirteen years having to prove yourself in every room you walked into. Yeah and now. There's just happy that she showed up in the room with them and they're trying to get you to do their show. Yeah and is it true that on the set of Oj? You were working through. This is US already like getting that audition ready because you knew that could be something special to yeah I was I was I told Paulson I said I think I found the next job. As he's like you want this. I was like yeah. She's like okay right so we'd be sitting at the prosecution table and I'd be reading the script and looking at Randall's monologue and the pilot when he goes and he costs his father and I was like Ooh this writing is really good and you don't come across a lot of network television shows where the riding pops off the page and grabs you but fogelman has a way of grabbing you with his words and so I went into auditions took for meeting with him and I got to gust because I love crazy stupid. Love my wife and I is one of my favorite romantic comedies. And so I- gushed and he's like yeah. Tell us when you're ready for a year. You know. Come in when you're ready. I was like okay psyched prepared and I came in and it went really really well and this is like the room was rooting for you. You know the room doesn't always root for you in my history my experience. But now there's new thing this intangible thing called Buzz you always look at people like how did they get that buzz like where does it come from? And then all of a sudden you have buzz. And it's it's cool. It feels good. You can feel it when you walk into a room and you can feel the energy shift in such a way that I can't wait to see what sterling's going to do Rather than Obama. Who Right you know what I'm saying like it makes a huge difference and so you get the part obviously famously. What do you think it is about? This is us that has so connected with people now in its fourth season the hope of the goodness. That's the word you've used a private family. All those things come together. Why do you think is connected the way it has? It has because we're disconnected. I think we as a society of various sort of bifurcated divisive like. It's very hard to have a conversation with people that doesn't frequently lead to an argument Talking about politics or talking about just the state of the world you know and this show is something that I think whether you're in a blue state red-state whatever your religious affiliation like people know recognize and appreciate the importance of family and the show is about family. So it's like we get a chance to put our side our differences for an hour every Tuesday for about eighteen weeks out of the year. And it's not about US versus them. It's this is us right. And I feel like people sort of defend themselves consciously unconsciously about like being attacked or being sort of putting the box and a certain kind of way now folks just feel sort of like collectively they get to enjoy the experience of this Pearson family and we go through so much. We go through adoption. We go through anxiety where you go through dealing with obesity. We deal with so many different topics that people see themselves and one or all of us in varying degrees. I think there's a certain kind of reassurance and knowing that you're not doing it alone right like hey. Randall understands what I'm going through there. Maybe not so bad. You Know Kate and Kevin Get. It is not so bad It takes away the isolation and you brings us together. I was shown a beautiful brings people together. There's no question about it but there are a lot of shows that attempt to do that. Sure right yeah. There's just something different about and I think you're right. There's somebody on the show that everybody can relate to that. He's like me she's like me. I've been through that thing and there's also at the heart of it loss. Yeah they're again. They're shows up again. Was that something you were able to tap into this show as well absolutely. Yeah I mean yeah absolutely you know. Rando has two dads that he's lost. Yeah and with William in particular of my biological father a soon as I saw a new story arc was going to be. It's sort of presented me with an opportunity that I didn't have when I was ten and I was an opportunity to say goodbye to be present at the crossing over of of my father founded Strangely Cathartic Right Ron Safest Jones who is a brilliant brilliant actor from New York City who has worked at this theater as well and a beautiful soul. It was a joy to play with him and sort of the parallels between Randall in Sterling. I was able to access in a real direct way. I with regards to saying goodbye to William as kind of like Megan the chance to say. Goodbye Sterling Brown Junior And some things just meant to be. I was meant to be random you know. I'm sure other people would have done a wonderful job with it right. That's what I'm saying like I'm the it was just meant for me. It's impossible to imagine anyone else there. Now obviously yeah. Yeah so I. It's it's cool to catch you in this moment where things are going so well for you. I'm curious how you're handling on the celebrity front your wife how she handling it when you're on the cover of magazines and everybody knows you walking down the street and I imagine we talked about your acting foundation the foundation of your relationship that she's known you long before you were the game Brown Odell celebrity. So how are you handling that as a couple and a family one day at a time art? It's interesting Celebrity is interesting. Even using the word is difficult. Yes right and it's like I like. Yeah I guess so right. I think of myself as an actor and and because of what I've been able to accomplish as an actor. I I've gained celebrity Nothing kills peripheral vision quicker than celebrity and what I mean by. That is new. York City is one of the great places in this world to people. Watch right so many different people at Necessities Race Creed. Color Etcetera Etcetera. And you just watch fascinating people all the time until everybody's watching you and then you get bloop. Right I'VE PUT ON HOODS. I've put on hats and it's not because I feel ungracious. Or or anything like that but you still a regular human being trying to accomplish things through your day right and no one knows that like no one sees you as a regular human being anymore. They're just like oh right not so much in New York in La but it still happens. Yeah right in Middle America and Saint Louis where I'm from Alabama. It's hard to go to the mall like it's hard to go to the mall and so there is a fight for normalcy for me in particular for my children right so I had to establish a couple of things no longer take pictures when I'm with my family One day I was at church and some people were really big fans of the show. They started queuing up. Can we take picture? Yeah yeah sure no problem. No problem as Andrew. My oldest. I said. Would you hold Daddy's jacket? Andrew took my jacket through it on the ground stomped on it and I was a boy. Did I do something like what's going on? He goes well. You just stop doing what you're doing with me so you can take pictures with these people so. I guess they're more important strangers. Yeah and I was like Lord have mercy. This kid hits you like people underestimate the intelligence of children on an emotional intelligence level. Oh yeah because they know what's going on. I said I will never do it again. He's like whatever say the picture I was like. No I won't do it again so the next time that we were together we were getting off a plane and these really nice people were like. Yeah we didn't bother you on the plane for a really big fans of the show. I took a picture. I sat cy. I'm with my family and when I'm with my family I don't take pictures. Could you take a handshake hugging stat? And they were really cool and my son looked at me and he said he remembered. I said I got your back. Brown like you deserve all the things that I had as a child that you take for granted being able to go to a park and kick it with your dad right. Every kid is entitled to that with out their dad being the center of Focus. Right right and so you find the balance you like. Hey Nice to meet you. Thank you for the love. I appreciate you WANNA give back to my kids right. It's interesting. My wife is much more gracious. Because she's a Thespian as well and so she's she's she lives and she looks people like Benadryl. Even though I think you this nice dude you all this. And all that America's daddy they don't even know and I'm like I know I tried to tell them but they will believe public unwanted. Here's who he really is already has but it is. I don't know what I thought it was going to feel like. I'm the dude who likes to go to the VON's and the tea and to trader Joe's or whole foods or whatever and do my shopping and I still do I fight for it right and what it means. Is I knowledge you I see and I say thank you and I just try to keep it voted. That's right you know what I'm saying. Sometimes I'll put on headphones. Just the black things out a little bit have had people like tap on my headphone. Who how out of it? No touching right people will grab Scher especially because you come into their homes and they feel like they know you right and it's like I get it I'm not I'm never ungracious. Because I do know what. It's like to meet someone that you're fan of and they blow you off and it's the worst feeling and I'm not GonNa put that on anybody so it's my responsibility to be as cordial as I can't in the moment right and also to get back to my family. I think that's a good way to handle it. Yeah find that balance one of the great things about being the position you're in now is your production company. Yes that you get to take stories and lift up people who may not otherwise have a platform or voice. Why is that been so important to you? Very few people are afforded the opportunity to start a production company. You know it's not like I'm GonNa Start Right like there's there's opportunities that are presented to you and you feel obliged to take advantage of them because you know how much help was needed in order for you to get to where you are right and if I can make it easier for someone else coming up behind me to get their story out there we complain about. Diversity is an actor have been like how come there's not more roles for black men Black Women Etcetera Etcetera now? The way in which you saw that and fix that is you have to have as many storytellers behind the camera. Putting those stories out there right so it's not about just what's happening in front of the cameras. What's happening behind the cameras? Well and if I really have a problem with diversity in Hollywood and I have an opportunity to be a part of the solution. Then it's my obligation to take advantage of that opportunity right so my production company Indian meadows is named after my neighborhood in Saint Louis Missouri. Were Working Class African American neighborhood where I came from and that carry with me everywhere that I go and an order to for me be successful like I can never experience that disconnect. I feel like some people win. They've become celebrities sort of be like all right now. It's time for me to be a new person right as the person I am as the person who got me here like my sort of accessibility. I like people like I really like people and just because people sometimes can kinda bombard me. I was like I get it there. There've been sweeter whatnot but I still like you. I still love you so I gotta hold onto that. So naming the company would I named. It just reminds me like this is who you are. This is where you came from. Don't forget don't forget in terms of the stories that I wanNa Tau of marginalized people that are sort of relegated to the sidelines. Sometimes but it's changing right and we sing more people of Color Front and center More Minorities Front and center. I just want to be a part of intelligent diversity in storytelling right. I'm looking for that black sleep back saying like I like the things that excite me that seem to be relegated to just mainstream like how do we make sure that we put a little bit of color into that as well? So that's what I'm and what a legacy to leave right. If this goes on for a long time and expect it will to watch somebody grow up on the opportunity you gave them and be sitting in a chair like this some day. Oh Dude there's somebody like comes. I was like yeah I remember. I did this Indian meadows action and that was my first chance to do something that would mean the world. That'd be bigger than any acting GIG that I had. An acting is what? I love but to be able to provide opportunity for other people. That's that's something that's special. I think about Andrei brower. Who won the Emmy before me The actors that have come before the Denzel is the Paul Robeson Ozzy Davis's it's CETERA. Like these guys are giants that endured Paul Robeson did a fellow on Broadway and could not go to A. Cast dinner with his cast because the segregation right like these dudes endured all of this so brown can get up and make people cry. Good Damn good job of it you dave firsthand. My Wife Ryan constantly that will you lead me into the next thing I was gonna ask you about. Which is the fact that you were historic actor. I mean you mentioned Andrea Been Nineteen years. It's an African. American actor had won that award and then Golden Globe the EMMYS. You are a historic actor when you stood on that stage. You weren't just the latest guy to win. Best actor in a drama. You were the first to do something. D Stop and think about that as part of your legacy or is that just too much right now too much. Yeah it's way too much. And it's way too surreal. Yeah because like I was supposed to happen a long time ago. Right Jackie. Robinson did this a long time ago. like it's twenty nineteen twenty eighteen or seventeen. When it happened. I was like I I stuff is still happening. Like I never thought I'm not the do who's on at the avant-garde or like at the forefront of like movements per se. I'm a guy who deeply loves everything that he does. And so when I was told for the Globes in seventy five years at that time I was the first African American male to win. Best lead actor in a dramatic series for SAC which is only twenty five years or something like that but the first house a Oh. Gosh like this isn't happening. Is this me it dawns on me from time to time like I have a place in my office which is in the back of my house and the awards on a couple of different book shelves and from time to Time I look at them I I. I won this stuff right. It's really cool. La At participating winning of this stuff and to be the first of anybody to do something. I feel ill equipped to be the first. I feel like I should be much more articulate Much more sort of militant. I don't know like I feel like the first of the people they like prepared to be the first like you know you have those conversations with branch rickey and you're like this is what it's going to be. Nobody talked to me. They go in the trophies. It's me while I promise. I won't keep your all day but I can't let you go without asking about a couple huge projects. Coming up frozen. Yeah I mean come on being a part of one of the biggest movie franchises yes I have children. Yes believe me a play on a loop in my head all these years later. How cool is that to join that? It's amazing I took my oldest to see the first frozen and he's a boy with very boy like energy. So when I play the soundtrack for him he just like I want to hear the first song over and over again and the first song is like should they the guys who like chopping ice so bored of cold and winter rare and mountain ring him? I mean it's always had another talented. Yeah but I wanNA hear you wanNA build a snowman. He's like this way the first so to be now of an age where he can go and like appreciate the daddies in it and my old my youngest is four and he's GonNa love it like he's just got a sensitive soul that sort of built for these things like the first movie that he got a chance to see all the way through his cocoa. He made into cocoa and he loved it. Yeah and I've seen BITs and pieces of frozen Functions just as much as like an action adventure or more like an action adventure than anything else. So it's got something for the ladies. Because we have our heroines that are at the forefront of the story but like the boys who have boy energy. They're going to be riding this ride just as hard as anybody else so I don't get they. Don't get a chance to see a lot but daddy does. So it's nice when they can see something that he does and vied with perfect. Yeah for that age. They're right in it right and then the other project ask about is the marvelous. Mrs Mazel. Yeah which if the story is true in the speaks to where you are in your career you were like. I want to be in that show. Yeah and they're like yeah. You can be in that. Show that the way it happened Kinda really. I shouted out Rachel's I go. There's ever a way that could be on your show drop in like wreak some havoc house fund. Let me know. And she's like we would love to have you and then the Palladino reached out to me and they're like we've written this role. We don't really see anybody else doing it other than you. Please come play with us right as you kidding me like. I just put it out there and it's happening Omega. It's amazing the You living in that Harlem apartment uptown. Just say call somebody and say I want to be on. That show would freak out if you knew that story. Even though I have no idea who's GonNa having just be happy for you three hundred a week. You live high off the hog as it is back on that bus for the exactly now. We've come a long way for sure. Stick around to hear more from Sterling K. Brown on the Sunday sit down. Podcast is he and I take a walk around Washington Square Park in New York and he reflects on his time living in New York City as an up and coming actor. Hey everyone it's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the new podcast into America and our latest episode NBC National Reporter. Aaron Nine Horn hits the Lordstown Ohio one year after General Motors shuttered. The Chevy Cruz play. Gm is born but there are other economic opportunities coming into the region. So how do people feel about their future? Life Teen ninety-seven. There is almost ten thousand members at General Motors from the summer of two thousand sixteen till when General Motors shuttered. Plant sixty percent of my business search for into America wherever you're listening now and subscribe the meet the press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. The twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things. We usually discuss off camera. Listen for free. Wherever you get your podcast welcome back to the Sunday. Sit Down podcast now. More of my conversation was Sterling K. Brown I time walking through Washington Square Park you from the Mid West and you see like rake dances. You see people playing music you see the old dudes playing chess. You got the students coming from nyu cutting through like sort of this magical vast Cornucopia of people spilling into an all these different things like this is New York City. Like I'm in it dude. I love cut through any excuse that could to cut rushing square park. Yeah always took. It might get offered a few things he hadn't heard of before I don't know that's experience. I think the West fourth stop is over that way until we get off on West fourth line lived in Brooklyn and cut through here to get to school and it was just. I talked about people watching what I mean like. This is a place where you watch until everybody's watching now. This is a good moment because years ago school. Watch other people absolutely and now everybody in the spark is watching you kinda crazy. Yeah it's Kinda crazy every once in a while. I fool myself into thinking that I'm still an incognito event but then there's like people stop and they pull out the camera I guess I guess not anymore cameras out. I don't think our nine anymore. What do what do you feel though when you come back to New York and you get to walk around and revisit some of these places that were so foundational for you. I remember the post that the city offers right like it's a city that has heartbeat right. And you start to walk differently. I move faster. We're like a sense of purpose when I'm New York City and I love that hustle right in La. Is this kind of like you sitting in your car. And you're talking on your phone and your chilling but like you won't pick people to like whereas La you have to plan tonight people right but you can just walk around like a minute when I because it's walking culture your access to people you feel more connected in New York City that you do anywhere else in this country. Yeah subway to subway do all the time. And my publicist freaks out is like why is he taking the subway? I'm like because it's my right eye one of the people. I can take the subway anytime I want to go for a walk and I'm like I'm putting my hood on. It's GONNA be okay. I do feel like you said this. New York's a little bit better though like they might just give you like a man. What's The walking keep walking? Hey love you on the show. Thanks a lot appreciate it. It's pretty easy here and I see famous people on the subway all the time and they don't get that's right so it's it does give you a bit more latitude but I'm always surprised especially for this is us. You think people are more jaded or not so cool like they're more cynical in New York. This huge fans everywhere. Every shows got a really beautiful. And do you get the tears in person? They come up. Do they see you. They remember an episode. That WanNa talk about the show. I'll get to hear some person and then I can i. Can I hug you and I'll be like yeah man? I'm down for the hug and we just squeeze it. Sometimes they hold on. I was like all right. We they like and then they're like. Oh that's the power of your show. That's the work. That's the power to shop power to show its reliability when people they see you and no you recognize a part of themselves in You. Just want to share that. Yeah Yeah thank you got it right on my huge thanks to Sterling K. Brown for a great conversation and again my gratitude for his opening up about such personal stories and details of his own life and Childhood and also for showing us around his old stomping grounds. His latest film waves is in theaters now and frozen two hits theaters on November. Twenty Second Maggie. Your big viewer of this is US I am. I know when my wife has it on and I come in. They're always I was GONNA say yes. Yep that's pretty much it it's I think somebody called it once or they said you know America just needs a good cry out so what happens is like it's just sometimes you just need that and it's that's that's a perfect show for it as he says in the interview. There's something in that show for everyone going relations something relating somebody Maggie. Thank you very much again. Management says changes things on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast. My thanks as always to all of you for tuning in this week. If you want to hear more of the full length conversations with all my guests every week he sure to click subscribed so you never miss an episode. And don't forget to tune into Sunday today every weekend on NBC. I'm Willie geist. We'll see right back your next week on the Sunday system. Podcasts gotTa take a listen listed swap. Cnbc's flagship business news. Show is a podcast. Squawk PA control to it is not just the show folks that might be even better. Because it's only audio join me. Katie Kramer as I take you inside the squawk box control room and beyond the headlines of our TV broadcast with. Joe Kernan Becky quick and Andrew. Ross sorkin every weekday subscribe to our new podcast squad.

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Sterling K. Brown

Sunday Sitdown with Willie Geist

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Sterling K. Brown

"Hey Guys Willie geist here with another episode of The Sunday. Sit Down podcast. My thanks as always for clicking and listening along with us my guest this week. It's not a good one. I think Actors Sterling K.. Brown know him of course as one of the stars of the hit. NBC Show. The people have to watch with a full box of tissues. This is us the tear jerker now in its fourth season. An amazing cast of which Sterling K.. Brown is an Emmy and Golden Globe. Winning the member joining me now is always the producer of this fine podcast and the producer of these sterling K.. Brown interview for this week Maggie Law. Hey Maggie before we get to the important business of this interview. Some more important important is we spoke last. Maggie law is engaged. Take a nice walk yes. My eyes are blind reflection in this fluorescent lights lights. Thank you so much thank you. Thank you like me yet your fiance for one hundred years one hundred Actually ten mm-hmm we met at a boarding school and we've been dating since the end of junior year of high school. Yeah so so we share that. Yes Dina beginning junior in high school school right. We did it for a long time. Broke up a little while a little break and then we found each other again. But we'll say we did not have a little break ten years strong and here we are. I'm telling you deep deep roots are good for the marriage. Adulation Cam very excited. And let's talk about our interview Sterling K.. Brown is a guide met a couple of times. Didn't know well L. had really high hopes for the interviews faced on what I know of them is being sort of Like a smart interesting guy but also the serve electric speaker and presence presents exceeded everything. He was electric. I think it's a way to say it. He really I feel like he brought it to the interview. And just the nicest guy you just love when you meet them and they're just so nice and they say hi to everybody in the room just like there too. I feel like he really brought it one of those people. You hope they'll be who you think it was He I think part of that is is that he's earned his place. We talk a lot about this in an interview. He was sort of on this thirteen year grind small roles. TV He says. Look I was happy. Acting was paying the bills. I bought a house right but hadn't hadn't had that sort of big break in Hollywood and then in the fall of two thousand sixteen along comes people that was he'll he won the emmy for that right people versus Oj Simpson. We played Johnny Cochran. That was earlier in two thousand sixteen and then shortly after this is US comes up and that's it really was the crazy thing for I says now things are stupid. Good for always good now. They're stupid again a little background for people. I know you like to paint a picture picture in your mind as you listen to these interviews of where we are where a place called the public theater New York City of famous famous place that so many of the actors adventures every famous actor you know has played a part there started there in New York City And we're upstairs in the library there. Yeah Sterling actually. That's what he asked to do. The interview it's one of his favorite spots. He went to Grad school at Nyu so right nearby and he said when he was in school there everybody dreamed of performing at the public at some point. You always I wanted to do Shakespeare in the park and everything like that. Eventually he got to do a show there. I think twenty fourteen and so he requested to it there that was great spot. And then you'll hear later we get up walk around a little bit in Washington Square Park and very cool moments of a place. He used to walk around dreaming of being somebody right in that business and you draws the crowd we walk in the park and boom like flies to honey came on to Sterling K.. Brown all those. This is US fans. His new film is called waves. It's a lot about fatherhood. He's Kinda Domineering Dad. In this movie he lost his own father in real life at the age of ten To me it was the best moment of the interview. You can listen. NC agree when he started just going into the story of the day. And I will say I in an interview setting. It's hard to sometimes because the lights and there's people around to get lost in the emotion it was as emotional as I remember reviewing really really feeling at that moment he was so first of all. I'm just grateful that anyone would share such a personal story. Absolutely has that with me Of the day his father died and he was ten years old. I have a ten year old son I think part of that hit me ask what would it be like if I left my ten year. Old Son unexpectedly early in in such a sudden way and he remembers every detail the day in he volunteered it. You know it's not something I would ask him to describe because it is so traumatic. which man did he go there? Yeah he did. It was really emotional but it felt special that he was able to share with you and significant. Because it's how he tapped into characters in waves but also in this awesome us a cathartic moment for him able to sort of say goodbye to his dad in a way. So seems were there okay. We've described the enough let Sterling K.. Brown tell the story himself Sterling K.. Brown right now on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast sterling. Thanks for doing this. Thanks for having me great to see a you know we got a Lotta history to talk about you in this neighborhood you in. This theater is my stomping grounds dude. I went to Nyu from ninety eight. Two Oh one I lived if that one asked a place right around the corner and so the public was this fixture like this beacon of when we get out of school. Maybe we'll get a chance to work at the public. Maybe we'll get a chance to do Shakespeare in the park and I've got a chance to work here on a couple of occasions and it's been magical every time I was telling you I've interviewed a number of actors who said I want to do the interview at the Public Theater. What is it about this place that so special for people who don't even know about? There's all these people that come through here right so you know like Meryl Streep Streep is done Shakespeare in the park Leeann have like you said I seen him do hamlet. You see all these actors crews careers you want to immolate and they could be off doing all these fancy movies and TV shows etc.. But they take time to make sure that that muscle of being able to tread the boards never atrophies because they care about the art of illuminating the human condition and that sort of what was embedded in my fiber at Grad School. Oh that NYU and so. It's something that I keep coming back to over and over again. I mean you look at the faces on that wall. It's every major actor you've ever heard of it's all all been here all of them and you too So we'll talk more about that but I said D we're walking in here. It's the highest compliment. I could pay an actor is I didn't know where to begin again with you. You have so much going on right now apprec- but let's start with the film waves. Yeah which is unique and different than anything. I've seen it tells a beautiful story and it really uses music. Well how do you describe this project when you first read it. Did you get what they were going for. That's that's a good question it's hard. It's complicated it. It is complicated because it's a hard movie to describe to people. It's a family drama that focuses more on the children of this family. It's an African American family mother and in a father a son and a daughter in the first half of the movie. SORTA is the sons half of the movie and the second half of the movie you kind of shift narratives and it becomes the daughters journey. There's a major tragedy that happens in the mid point. I'm not gonNA give away But it also is sort of shows is how a family deals with grief loss and how you keep moving forward with with grace and with love In the music is huge. which like even like I said in the script their music cues laid into the script? So you press a button. Listen to a song as you read the scene Our director writer Trey Atwood Schultz had something very specific in mind in the movies autobiographical. I should say and then leaps into narrative fiction and then back in autobiography and then to narrative fiction. Because I say that because he is white right and the movie focuses on an African American family but because he hired Kelvin Harrison junior to play the role of the son in the family because they worked on a film before it comes at night. They sort of collaborated and said like tell me something about your childhood third about your father about what it was like for you to grow up in New Orleans etc and so they combined their narratives and came up with the story together and it was a real collaboration collaboration from the onset And I think we came up with something special. It is unique. It's unlike anything I've seen before you're in a position in your career where you can get a script and sort of decide whether or not it's something that's worth all the time you put into a role. What was it about this story that jumped off the page to you? Okay so I was shooting. This is us at the time and my agent. My manager read the script and he said we think this is pretty special. I was like guys like I got a job on the show. And they're like yeah but check it out. If you like it maybe we can make it work. First and foremost it was something completely really different than Randall Pearson whom I love and Adore. But now that you have the opportunity to not be locked into one character and to be known solely the character I try to take advantage of those opportunities whenever they are offered to me now to keep going with that point about ten years ago there wasn't the same sort of fluidity between film and Television Right and now that it exists. It's like I'm a kid in Candy Star on jump around and play and as many sandboxes as This guy was a father in in waves who is very much present For his family but it is a hard man not the easiest father to get along with and so what. I enjoy the challenge of inhabiting people who aren't readily likable But who are humane. Who are good and my goal is not to be liked but to be understood so I enjoy? Enjoy the challenge of finding someone who people be like. I don't know if I like the student but trying to find his heart and I think the character has a really beautiful journey without without giving too much away I think he recognizes by the end of the film. That the way that he is in the beginning didn't elicit the results that he was looking for so that there is a strength invulnerability that he has to access in order to continue going with his family. Yeah because of the heartbreak he suffers. We won't give away to look at himself again and exacted. I have some role in this. Yes did you bring any of your own parenting. You've got two boys due to this role I imagine it's hard in some ways to separate the way you act as a dad and the way you raise your children from character do bring some. I'm of yourself to it. I think I bring all of myself to every character. I play Different parts of yourself. Come out with different characters. I'd Randall is a Dorka believed. Let's meet and I think I have a sweetness to me And then there's an edge to me as well Please ask my wife when you get a chance. Oh Yeah he's got their times which my son plays flag football and soccer right now right and I'll catch myself just barking that dad. I can be Willie at times that dad but I do it with the hopes of trying to instruct destruct right and there are times when he takes instruction there are times in which he'll stop in the middle of the game and he'd be like can you please be quiet and I'll be like yeah my bad my bad bring it down but like we have a dialogue. I think that's the good thing about it. I came here when I go too far right. And he's I need you to press. Paul I got you can up. There's another layer to that too. which is the other parents that Sterling K.? Brown barking uh-huh. Yeah but most of the other parents barking right. Okay with me all right. Yeah so you're not alone you talked about. This is being a film about loss. Clearly it is grieving you had that in your own family. Obviously when you were a young boy at ten years old on the other side of it how much of that did you bring to this part. I think the whole dynamic of fathers and sons is one that resonates with me and is resonating really strong right now now. My Dad was forty five when he passed away and I was tin and I'm forty three now and I think I knew that that was young young when I was a child but now that I'm two years away from that age I'd I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's painfully young doc And so I I have this desire to sort of carry the old man around with me and infuse him into a lot of the things that I do especially right. Now because he's just very very in the forefront of my consciousness and I saw this relationship between the father and the son on the page and it. It's not a perfect relationship. I think there's parts of it that allow me when you step into somebody who is imperfect you may have been judging them their imperfection as if you are perfect and they should be perfect like you but then when you step inside them in you recognize none of us are perfect and truly believed that all of us do the best that we know how to until we know how to do better. And so there's a part of me that was actually able to forgive Aspects of my dad aspects of other men in my family who were paternal figures because I recognize that the love didn't always feel loving loving but it was love on the less. I know exactly what you mean about the age because when you were ten years old and your dad was so young forty five. He's still dope. Felt like a grown man okay. Maybe that's when people die but when you reach the age you and I are about the same age you go wait a minute. No that wasn't fair. Not at all. Yeah no way to sue way too soon way too sad. I remember. I was the first time I ever saw my mom cry uh-huh because she wasn't a crier I remember like really specific things Waking up that morning winning in going into the kitchen and my mom being on the phone calling the paramedics and asking me to put clothes on my dad because he was naked take it in the bed and his body was stiff stiff as a board and I tried to pull underwear up on him. It was uncomfortable uncomfortable for me. It was uncomfortable for him. He says go get your mom Mama. I go back to the kitchen. Mommy wants you and she got mad at me even even on doing what she wanted but she gets him dressed the paramedics come in and they carry him out and we have a split level house. You have to go down the steps to get to the front door and as they're carrying them out on a stretcher he looks at me over the railing any wings wings came out the door last time I saw Last time I will say this about Sterling Brown Junior. He filled me up with so much. Love Willie I was his only son. My mom has to other biological children from her first marriage and I have an adopted brother and sister sister who when I got twenty five. She's like well. I guess I should start all over again and got a six month old and then my little sister is about a year and a half younger than my little brother. But so I was my dad's kit. Yeah right by his boy and we were tight like I like football because my dad likes football. I like boxing because my dad likes boxing. I Love Movies and Television because my dad loves movies and television and we will watch movies for hours. It was the beginning of. Don't tell mommy watching this. You know what I'm saying you'd watch things uh-huh completely and totally inappropriate. But I would watch. Now I would see the joy that he would derive from it and the joy that our derived from it. And maybe on a subconscious level would be like man. How cool would it be to bring that kind of joy to lots of people because it was transported or both of us and so while the time was short? It was everything that I could have hoped for for ten years either the ten year. Old Son Right now and so the idea of being separated from him and leaving him. That quickly with a wink is unthinkable to. Do you ever think it's unfair. You talk with such love and joy and you find a blessing in it. Sure that it led you to. The career you've found in succeeded in was was there a time though where it made you angry. Oh yeah there's a time I think so from ten to sixteen. I did not grieve my father's death right. I didn't think think that I could cry. I thought that I had to be the man of the House. Like mom is crying. I gotTA keep it together. There's also growing up Christian believing that he was in a better place. Maybe they'd like he'd been sort of unhappy. He lost his job. As a grocery store clerk kroger stores and have been laid off for a few months and I could see learned valuable life lesson what I do and who I am are two separate and distinct distinct distinct things and I have to know who I am first and foremost because of I'm ever taken away. My my job is ever taken away from me. I still need to know my own personal value right and I saw his value just decline and his in his own eyes and his sense of so worth right but so that's six years I was like. Oh He's a better place and you know he doesn't have to be in pain anymore. And then Dan I turned fifteen or sixteen. I just BOO hooed. I can't even really explain it. Like Grief Works Works and funny ways but I just balled and I missed him and I I was acting and I was playing varsity football. And he's like two of his favorite things and he wasn't getting the chance to experience his boy do these things that he loved so much. I felt the the loss riding. And that's when I went by shelby right until I was sixteen and I was just like no. It's time to be sterling. It's it's time to hear that name again because when people call me by that name I get a chance to carry a piece of him with me so there was a period. But I'm a true believer that all things work for good and everything happens for a reason. There's a lesson at all. Well if you look for it right circumstances. Don't define us but our reaction to those circumstances is what matters and so I'm mm-hmm I just take the blessing Brown. I said I had ten good years and I WANNA make sure that my kids have more. You know what I mean. I WANNA make sure my kids Are Eight and four. So he's just two years away so I feel like the template for fatherhood I kind of I got it for the next two years and then after that I'm in a whole new territory take right. We never had the sex talks or anything like that so those things are going to be coming down. I'm like all right. I'll just be making it up as I go. Aw Listen I saw the pictures and men's health. I don't think you're going anywhere anytime soon. You I love the moment when you won your emmy to and you've got to stand on the stage and say some of the things you just said to me to the World About Your Dad. What did that feel like knowing that he in some way inspired you to get to that place where you ended up if it was magical like? That's a it's a magical view that not too many people get to take a stand on this stage and it reminded me of this year. Darrell Jerome One. Best lead actor in unlimited series. Had everybody stood up and applauded for because his performance outstanding and I don't know if I was outstanding not but people stood up and it was this overwhelming moment of Mike. Wow you guys see me as like belonging as has being worthy To be embraced by your peers in that way was really sort of overwhelming moment but but to get a chance to share him and my mom with the world. Yeah yeah that's cool and then also too I know he sought right like I know he was there and he was very very happy. There's no question. Yeah as he sat and watched those movies with you that he didn't much tell your mom you were watching you said. Imagine you'd be one of those people I remember. We want terminator take. Isn't that part of fatherhood than my dad. When I was nine took Beverly Hills Cop? I remember sitting there going. You ensure should be watching this. This is just A. That's it don't repeat any of these words this. I also don't think people realize because you came into most people's lives about three years ago four years ago. If you go back to Jay how long you've been working to get to this point had thirteen years to get to the place where you were standing on that stage age you were grinding. You're out you're famous. Shows shook but you didn't have the lead in the show notes. was there ever a point those thirteen years where you said to yourself. I don't know if I'm going to end up where I thought I was going to end up all right. So is his an anecdote. I did my first series regular was on. FX Show called starved right and it started the same year as it's always sunny in Philadelphia. They both have seasons. Like seven episodes of Peace Belichick A group of People with eating disorders and New York City and I played it Belichick New York City Cop who who had pullover bicycle delivery people on trumped up traffic charges still food is compensation and then binge and purge right one time my through up that I was by myself on a pile of garbage and there was a homeless man sleeping in the garbage and I told him to get a real house. Don't know why it didn't last uh-huh anyways comedy was. It was definitely and and so my mom. My mom watched the pilot and this is a good Christian soldier. Now you gotta I understand. I said I appreciate you watching the pilot. If you don't WanNa Watch anymore I understand and my mother touched my knee and she said I have out as quickly as she could right so so the show goes it's seven episodes. We don't get renewed but always sunny in Philadelphia my man Charlie Day and all those guys go on for like fifteen sixteen season. Yeah crazy we finish the show and my mom goes D. Do you WanNa come home now. I said my I was just a series where I go on a TV show. And she's like yeah but that's showing the one and so she wanted me to turn it in because she didn't think it was gonNA work now. She had expectations as parents often. Do sure I graduated from. NYU Gone to Stanford University for Undergrad and my Grad School. I say God. We spent a lot of money on this degree right. I know there's no guarantees on things working out in any particular way. Can I please pay my bill by bills by doing what it is that I love. If I can do that I call it a wash good. I have paid eight my bills doing nothing other than act since I graduated from school right and everybody has a very different path. Every there's temp jobs in different Kinda on the day job bartending catering etc etc.. I've been blessed to be able to tell stories to pay my bill so that first I thirteen years and change laboring in obscurity was fantastic. I pay off my student loans right. I bought a house I had a son I was married like things were good and then this last four years things have been do so. It's not like I ever anticipate at this moment to happen right but thirteen years with what I thought it it was going to be and that was success right to be able to work at what you love that success. This is just gravy like delicious gravy. I had a great biscuit. Now I'm just sobbing sobbing at is just a super good. You were happy with good. You don't even need stupid good. How was my first job out of school so I moved up to Harlem and now in in New York for nine eleven living in Harlem and a four story walkup and the water pressure got worse? The higher up you went in the building and so i. I took a shower. which was a shared shower for the hall? A Lotta shower in my apartment right. There's three apartments on the hall that all shared a shower. The sketch right and the water pressure was so bad. I had to move my body around this to get my whole embody wet right this furnished room which had one window and I have my little green fan. Everybody knows the little. Oh Yeah I would lay down on top. The bed in my birthday suit does not pornographic I would lay in my birthday suit because it was so hot the summer of one I would get up. There'd be a perfect sweat imprint print of my body on top of the sheep like I would ride the bus up and down one hundred twenty fifth just for a seat right this real target right but the room cost eighty five dollars a week and my first job was at the classical stage company. For Kafka's short story returned operatic called in the penal colony. Right it was directed by Joanna Colitis with original music by Philip Glass and I didn't speak in this role. It was a movement thing right. Just did choreography taking care of this prisoner right. I made three hundred dollars a week for this GIG. I cleared to fifteen and you couldn't tell me I was doing the Duke Man. I was in New York City as a working actor and I could could not have been happier and it's interesting because I think about that time and I've been experienced so much more success and life is incredibly fulfilling and right now but my shoe joy points. I don't know if I've ever been happy. It's interesting too. Don't you think there's something about earning being over those thirteen years where you ended up. I was thinking as you were talking. I interviewed Orlando Bloom about a month or so like this. He graduated from college and the next day was on the set of Lord of the Rings and he didn't have that between an he talked about having to sort of go back and do theater and learn how to become a good actor. You the hat all that training and it was almost like this last four years have been reward for all that work and that apartment you lived in uptown. It feels good like and it also also feels very much appreciated. Yes you know because you know that those moments don't come around like this last four years to be able to go from. OJ To this is us like. It doesn't happen like that for a lot of people and it doesn't happen with great frequency. I'm incredibly appreciative. Of this moment I know so many talented people that don't receive this moment so no it's not a pure meritocracy. You know what I'm saying like preparation meets opportunity. That is luck right but you have to be prepared for it and you have to be presented the opportunity and I got at that and then things changed. So what was the moment for you when things change was it the acclaim you've got for the People vs. OJ Simpson was at the first big pop pop or was it before that or was it. This is us. When did you start to feel like okay? Things are changing for me here I would say onset of Oj We would have the editor would come up to Sarah Paulson and myself and be like you guys are cutting together really nice. Got Some serious chemistry. Thanks Buddy Pretty Shannon Janet graduate enjoying it and then the producers would be like Brown. Just keep doing what you're doing you becoming the height of the series. Sounds like guys this Chris starting like. Nobody likes Chris but he's like no no no for real. Just trust us and I was like okay. Okay I'll keep doing it and I remember going home one day and my wife was giving me a hard hard time because she wanted to go work out and I was trying to work on my lines and can be come sort of Obsessive I go into the garage is and just like locked myself for hours. Just work it and work hitting tie feel like I get it to a place where I want to present it to people. And she's like I need you to come watch. Watch these kids you still father. I know I am but I'm trying to accomplish all right. 'cause I don't don't knows my temper that often and so. She saw that like I was really trying to focus. I I knew something special was in the ether. You know what I mean and when we finished shooting as like I know I've watched some wonderful performances. I I've sat across from Courtney. I've sat across from Sarah and I was like I know that these are wonderful performances if I happen to be in there and their range maybe something could come from this right so as we start to get towards the end and I remember Brad Simpson one of our producers came up to me is don't take another job until after the first six episodes come right like really. He's like trust me. I'd already booked US already. Got A and It is like our but but that was that was a special moment because not only. Do you feel the the confidence of people sort of knowing your work before you SORTA reprove yourself with each job. Like each job's not leading to like like the next great job is just like job job job and it's not like a steps that I go up right after. OJ It it was like steps and it was like people saying what do you WanNa do. How can we be in partnership with you and you like after like just waiting for people I please him? I have small like all of a sudden. They like. We want to work with you. Yeah and you decide. It's crazy and that's a crazy thing because he spent thirteen thirteen years having to prove yourself in every room you walked into. Yeah and now. There's just happy that you showed up in the room with them and they're trying to get you to do their show. Yeah and is it true that on the set ed of Oj. You were working through. This is US already like in getting that audition ready because you knew that could be something special to yeah I was I was I told Paulson I I said I think I found my next job. As he's like you want this I was like yeah. She's like okay right so we'd be sitting at the prosecution table and I'd be reading the script and looking at Rambo's Komo monologue and the pilot when he goes and he costs his father and I was like Ooh this writing is really good and you don't come across a lot of network. Television shows the riding POPs off the page and grabs you but fogelman has a way of grabbing you with his words and so I went in to audition auditions took for meeting with them and I got to gust because I love crazy stupid love my wife and I is one of my favorite romantic comedies and gushed and and he's like yeah. Tell us when you're ready for a year. You know. Come in when you're ready. I was like okay mic prepared and I came in and it went really really well and this is like the room was rooting for you. You know the room doesn't always root for you in my history my experience but now this new thing thing this intangible thing called Buzz you always look at people like. How did I get that buzz? Like where's it. Come from and then all of a sudden you have buzz and it's cool. It feels good. You can feel it when you walk into a room and you can feel the energy. Oh Gee shift in such a way that I can't wait to see what sterling's going to do Rather than being like who write you know what I'm saying like it makes a huge food difference and so you get the part obviously famously. What do you think it is about? This is us that has so connected with people now now in its fourth season the hope of the goodness. That's the word you've used a private family. All those things come together. Why do you think is connected the way it has yes? I think it has because we're disconnected. I think we as a society of various sort of bifurcated on divisive vice. It like it's very hard to have a conversation with people that doesn't frequently lead to an argument Talking about politics or talking talking about just the state of the world you know and this show is something that I think whether you're in a blue state red-state whatever your a religious affiliation like people know recognize and appreciate the importance of family and the show is about family so it's like we get a chance to put put our side our differences for an hour every Tuesday for about eighteen weeks out of the year. And it's not about US versus them. It's this is us right right. And I feel like people sort of defend themselves consciously unconsciously about being attacked or being sort of putting the box and a certain kind of way and now folks just feel sort of like collectively they get to enjoy the experience of this Pearson family and we go through so much we go through adoption. We go through anxiety where you go through dealing with obesity. We deal with so many different topics. The people see themselves in one or all of us in varying degrees. I think there's a certain kind of reassurance and knowing that you're not doing it alone alone right like hey. Randall understands what I'm going through there. Maybe not so bad. You Know Kate and Kevin get it is not so bad it it takes away the isolation and you brings us together. I was shown a beautiful brings people together. There's no no question about it but there are a lot of shows that attempt to do that. Sure right yeah. There's just something different about and I think you're right. There's somebody on the show that everybody can relate you too. Yeah that he's like me she's like me I've been through that thing and there's also at the heart of it loss. Yeah they're again. They're they're shows up again. was that something you were able to tap into this show as well absolutely. Yeah I mean yeah absolutely you know. Rando has two dads that he's lost yeah And with William in particular of my biological father a soon as I saw knew that story arc was going to be. It's sort of presented me with an opportunity that I didn't have when I was ten and I was an opportunity to say goodbye I to be present at the crossing over of of my father founded Strangely Cathodic Right Ron Safest Jones who is a brilliant brilliant actor from New York City who has worked at this theater as well and a beautiful soul it was a joy to play with him and sort of the parallels between Randall. In in sterling I was able to access in real direct way. I with regards to say goodbye to William kind of like Megan a chance to say goodbye Sterling Sterling Brown Junior And some things just meant to be. I was meant to be random you know. I'm sure other people would have done a wonderful job with it right. That's what I'm saying like I'm the it was just meant for me. It's impossible to imagine anyone else there. Now obviously yeah. Yeah so I. It's it's cool to catch you in this moment where things are going so well for you. I'm curious Korea. How you're handling on the celebrity front your wife? How she handling it? When you're on the cover of magazines and everybody knows you walking down the street and and I imagine we talked about your acting foundation the foundation of your relationship that she's known you are long before the Game Brown Odell Celebrity? So how are you you handling that as a couple and a family one day at a time art it's interesting Celebrity is interesting even using the word is difficult. Yes right it's like yeah I guess so right. I think of myself as an actor because of what I've been able to accomplish as an an actor I've I've gained celebrity Nothing kills peripheral vision quicker than celebrity and what I mean by that is is new. York City is one of the great places in this world to people watch right so many different people at necessities race creed color etc it's Cetera and you just watch fascinating people all the time until everybody's watching you and then you get book. Right I've put on on hoods I've put on hats and it's not because I feel ungracious. or or anything like that but you still a regular human being. That's trying to accomplish rush things through your day right and no one knows that like no one sees you as a regular human being anymore. They're just like Oh oh right not so much in New York and La but it still happens. Yeah right in Middle America and Saint Louis where I'm from. Oh Man. It's hard to go to the mall. I it's hard to go to the mall and so there is a fight for normalcy for me in particular for my I children. Yeah right so I had to establish a couple of things I no longer take pictures. When I'm with my family? One day I was at church and some people what really big fans of the show. They started queuing up. Can we take picture. Yeah yeah sure no problem. No problem as Andrew my oldest. I said. Would you hold daddy's jacket. Andrew took my jacket through it on the ground stopped on it and I was a boy. Did I do something like what's going on. He goes well. You just stop doing what you're doing with me so you could take pictures with these people so I guess they're more important strangers. Yeah and as I Lord have mercy this kid kid hits you like people underestimate the intelligence of children on an emotional intelligence level. You shouldn't oh yeah because they know what's going on. I said I will never do it again. He's like whatever say the picture I was like. No I won't do it again so the next time that we were together we were getting off a plane and these really nice people were like. We didn't bother you on the plane but really big fans of the show where they are. If I took a picture is at Sei. I'm with my family and when I'm with my family they don't take pictures. Could you take a handshake hugging stat. And they were really cool and my son looked at me and he said he remembered. I said I got your back Akbra like you deserve all the things that I had as a child that you take for granted being able to go to a park and kick it with your dad right. Every kid is entitled to that Without Their Dad. Being the center of Focus Right right and so you find the balance. You're like hey nice to meet you. Thank you for the love. I appreciate you now to give back to my kids right. It's interesting my wife is much more gracious gracious. Because she's a lesbian as well and so she's she's she lives and she looks people like even though I think big you this nice dude you all this. And all that America's daddy they don't even know and I'm like I know I try to tell them but they will believe the public unwanted already. Here's who he really is already has but it is. I don't know what I thought it was gonNA feel like On the dude who likes to go to the VON's and the tea and to trader Joe's or whole foods or whatever and do my shopping and I still do I fight for it right and what it means. Is I knowledge you I see and I say thank you and I just try to keep it you. You know what I'm saying. Sometimes I'll put on headphones. Just the black things out a little bit have had people like tap on my headphone. How out? Yeah no touching right people will grab Scher especially because you come into their homes and they feel like they know you right and it's like I get it I'm not I'm never ungracious. Because I do know what it's like to meet someone that you're fan off and they blow you off and it's the worst feeling and I'm not GonNa put that don't anybody so it's my responsibility to be as cordial as I can in the moment right and also to get back to my family. That's a good way to handle it. Yeah finding that balance one of the great things about being the position. You're in now is your production company. Yes that you get to take stories and lift up people who may not otherwise have a platform or voice. Why is that been so important to you? Very few people are afforded the opportunity turning to start a production company. You know it's not like I'm GonNa Start Right like there's there's opportunities that are presented to you and and you feel obliged to take advantage of them because you know how much help was needed in order for you to get to where you are right and if I can make it each year for someone else coming up behind me to get their story out. There we complain about. Diversity is an actor. I've been like how come there's not more roles rose for black men black women et Cetera et Cetera. Now the way in which you saw that and fix that is you have to have as many storyteller tellers behind the camera putting those stories out there right so it's not about just what's happening in front of the cameras. What's happening behind the cameras? Well and if I really have a problem problem with diversity in Hollywood and I have an opportunity to be a part of the solution. Then it's my obligation to take advantage of that opportunity right. Ah So my production company Indian metals is named after my neighborhood in Saint. Louis Missouri were working class African American neighborhood. Where I came came from and I carry with me everywhere that I go and in order to me be successful like I can never experience that disconnect? I feel like some people win. They've become celebrities. Sort of be like all right now. It's time for for me to be a new person right as the person. I am as the person who got me here like my sort of accessibility. I like people people like I really like people and just because people sometimes can kinda bombard me I was like I get it there. There've been sweet or whatnot but I still like you. I still love you so I gotta hold onto that so naming the company named it just reminds me like this is who you are. This is where you came from throb. Don't forget don't forget in terms of the stories that I wanNa Tau of marginalized people that are sort of relegated to the sidelines sometimes uh-huh but it's changing right and we're seeing more people of Color Front and center More Minorities Front and center and I just want to be a part of intelligent intelligent diversity in storytelling right. I'm looking for that black sleep back saying like I like the things that excite me that seem to be relegated aided to just mainstream like how do we make sure that we put a little bit of color into that as well. So that's what and what a legacy to leave right if if this goes on for a long time and so expect it will to watch somebody grow up on the opportunity you gave them and be sitting in a chair like this someday. Oh Dude is somebody we like comes is like yeah I remember. I did this India Meadows action and that was my first chance to do something that would mean the world. That'd be bigger than any acting GIG that I had had an acting is what I love but to be able to provide opportunity for other people. That's that's something that special. I think about Andrei brower. Who won the Emmy before me The actors that have come before the Denzel is the Paul Robeson Ozzy Davis's it's Cetera like these guys giants that endured Paul Robeson did Othello on Broadway and could not go to A.. CAST dinner with his cast because of segregation right like these dudes endured all of this so brown can get up and make people cry the good damn good job of it pretty you dave firsthand. My wife crying constantly that will will you lead me into the next thing I was gonna ask you about. which is the fact that you were historic actor? I mean you mentioned Andrea Been Nineteen Years Since an African American actor had won that award and then Golden Globe the EMMYS. You are a historic actor. You stood on that stage. You weren't just the latest guy to win. Best actor in a drama you you were the first to do something d stop and think about that as part of your legacy or is that just too much right now too much. Yeah it's way too much. It's way too surreal. Yeah because like I was supposed to happen a long time ago. Right Jackie. Robinson did this a long time ago like it's twenty nineteen twenty eighteen or seventeen. When it happened? I was like I I stuff is still happening. Like I never thought I'm not the dude who's on at the avant-garde or like at the forefront of like movements per se. I'm a guy who deeply loves everything that he does. And so when I was told for the Globes in seventy five years at that time I was the first African American male to win. Best lead actor in a dramatic series. He's for SAC which is only twenty five years or something like that but the first house. I oh gosh like this isn't happening is. Is this me. It dawns on me from time to time like I have a place in my office which is in the back of my house and the awards on a couple of different book doc shows and from time to time I look at them I I I won this stuff right is really cool away anyway. I never anticipated winning any of this stuff and to be the first of anybody to do something I feel. Ill equipped to be the first. I I feel like I should be much more articulate Much more sort of militant. I don't know like I feel like the the first of the people they prepared to be the first like you know you have those conversations with branch rickey and you're like this is what it's going to be like. Nobody talked to me like Oh trophies. It's me yeah well I promise I won't keep your all day but I can't let you go without asking about a couple of huge projects coming up frozen. Yeah I mean come on being a part of one. The biggest movie franchises. Yes I have children. Yes believe me a play on a loop in my head all these years later. How cool is that to join that? It's amazing I took my oldest to see the first frozen and he's a boy with very boy like energy. So when I would play the soundtrack form he just I want to hear the first song over and over again and the first song is like they're gonna be the guys that like chop the ice board of cold and winter rare and mountain ring him. I mean it's always say. Wow that's another talent. Yeah but I wanNA hear you wanNA build a snowman. He's like no way I so Savimbi now the names where he can go and like appreciate the daddies in it and my old my youngest is four and he's GonNa love it like he's just got a sensitive if Seoul That sort of built for these things like the first movie that he got a chance to see. All the way through was cocoa. He made it through cocoa and he loved it. Yeah Yeah and I've seen BITs and pieces of frozen functions just as much as like an action adventure or more like an action adventure than anything else. So it's got something for the ladies. Because we have our heroines that are at the forefront of the story but like the boys who have boy energy did you. They're gonNA be riding this ride just as hard as anybody else so I don't get they. Don't get a chance to see a lot. The daddy does so. It's nice when they can see something that he does and vied it perfect yeah. For that age they're right in it right and then the other project I've asked about is the marvelous. Mrs Mazel. Yeah which if the story is true in the speaks to where you are in your career you were like I want to be in that show. And they're like yeah. You can be in that show. And that's not the way it happened Kinda really. I shouted out Rachel's I go. There's ever a way that could be on your show drop in like wreak some havoc house fund. Let me know. And she's like we would love love to have you and then the Palladino reached out to me and they're like we've written this role. We don't really see anybody else doing it other than you. Please come play with US RIGHT AS I. You you kidding me I. I've put it out there and it's happening Omega. It's amazing the You living in that Harlem apartment uptown you can just say. Call somebody and say I want to be on. That show would freak out if you knew that story. Even though I have no idea like having just be happy for you three hundred a week partners you living high off the hog as it is get back on that bus for the exact now. We've come a long way for sure. Stick around to hear more from Sterling K.. Brown on the Sunday sitdown podcast is he and I take a walk around Washington Square Park in New York and he reflects on his time living in New York City as an up and coming actor when someone takes the oath they're making sworn commitment to the constitution of the United States. I'm Chuck Rosenberg and I have had the privilege of taking that oath many times throughout my career career in federal law enforcement. And now my podcast the oath I speak with others. Who took an abided by that? Same promise this week. On the oath I sit down with Roberta Jacobson the former United States ambassador to Mexico on a day-to-day Basis Canada and Mexico affect more citizens of the United States than perhaps anywhere else in the world. Roberta Jacobson has spent her professional life in service to the United States. In her case by advancing its interests abroad responsible for the operation of the US embassy in Mexico and for the crucial relationship with our large and vibrant neighbor to the south. It's very much bringing America to the world and bringing the world back to America. Please join me for that conversation with. Roberta Jacobson the former United States ambassador to Mexico. That's this week on. MSNBC'S NBC's the oath available now. Wherever you get your podcasts? Welcome back to the Sunday. Sit Down podcast now. More of my conversation was Sterling Durling K.. Brown i Washington Park you from the Mid West and you see like break dances and see people playing music you the old dudes playing chess you got the students coming from NYU cutting through like it's sort of this magical vast Cornucopia of people just spilling into all these different things like this is New York City. Yeah like I'm in it dude. I Love I would cut through any excuse that could cut through Washington Square Park. Yeah always took. It might get offered a few things. He hadn't heard of before experience. I think so the West fourth stop is over that way until we get off on West fourth line lived in Brooklyn and cut through here to get to school and just talk about people people watching you know what I mean like. This is a place where you watch until everybody's doing yeah. This is a good moment because years ago. Yeah you're at school walk. earpiece Lynn Watch other people absolutely and now everybody in this park is watching you. I think it's Kinda crazy. Yeah it's Kinda crazy every once in a while I fool myself into thinking that I'm still an incognito but I've never met but then there's like people stop and they pull out the camp I guess I guess not anymore. Ah Judging by the number of cameras. I don't think our nine anymore. What do you what do you feel though when you come back to New York and get to walk around and revisit some of these places that were so foundational for you? I remember the post that the city offers right like it's a city that has heartbeat right. And you start start to walk differently. I move faster with like a sense of purpose when I'm New York City and I love that hustle right in. La is just kind of like you you sitting in your car and you're talking on your phone and your chilling but like you won't pin the people to like whereas in La. You have to plan tonight people right but you can just walk around like yeah. Oh Oh really what's going on because it's a walking culture your access to people you feel more connected yet in New York City the you do anywhere else in this country. Yeah subway to subway. I'll do that all the time. And my publicist freaks out is like why is he taking the subway. Because it's my right eye the people I can take the subway anytime I want to. He he freaks out of I go for a walk. Like I'm putting my hood on. It's GONNA be okay. I do feel like you said this. Poor New York's a little bit better though like they might just give you like what's what's up walking. They'll keep walking. Hey love you on the show exact. Thanks a lot appreciate it. It's pretty easy here and see famous people on the subway all the time now and they don't get messed up that's right so it's it does give you a bit more latitude but I'm always surprised especially for this as us. You think people are more jaded or not so cool like they're more cynical in New York this huge fans everywhere yes ever shows. I got a really beautiful father and do you get the tears in person they come up. Do they see you. They remember episode. I WanNa talk about the show. I'll get to hear some person and then also so just get can i. Can I hug you and I'll be like yeah. I'm down for the hug and we just squeeze it. Sometimes they hold on. I was like all right again. And then they're like that's the power of your show. That's the work. That's the power of the power to show its reliability When people feel as if they see you know you and recognize a part of themselves in you they just WanNa share? Yeah Yeah thank you got around my huge thanks to Sterling K.. Brown for a great conversation and again my gratitude for his opening up about such personal stories and details of his own life and his childhood and also for showing us around his old stomping grounds. His latest film waves is in theaters. Now and frozen. Two hits hits theaters on November. Twenty Second Maggie. Your viewer of this is us am I know when my wife has done and I come in. They're always gonNA stay. Always we just falling. Yes Yep that's pretty much it it's I think somebody called it once or they said you know America just needs a good cry out so what happens is like it's just sometimes. Sometimes you just need that. It's perfect show for it. 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George Clooney, Sterling K. Brown, Aidan McCann

Ellen on the Go

27:20 min | 1 year ago

George Clooney, Sterling K. Brown, Aidan McCann

"Hi, it's Ellen Degeneres. Welcome to my podcast. We're gonna listen to some of the best moments from the show and it's going to be hosted by four executive producers that I love happy listening on today's episode of Ellen on the go, superstar, George Clooney opens up about the accident that he had on his motorcycle. Awhile back and promotes his new project. Catch twenty two with Ellen sterling K Brown. Gets the ninja scare of a lifetime. Adorable nine year old magician. Eight in McCann blows our minds and spoiler alert. Andy, it's episode sixty nine wow. Our podcast special episode of this your sturdy disgusting. I mean Andy last year. I'm Mary Connolly. Glad it's a fact of life. It's episode sixty nine. Anybody you sit goes in the second guess you? Friends. Hi there. My sister's birthday today. Today christie. Hi, chris. How many birthday Chris? Chrissy. Which we talk about today. Before we get to George Clooney. We have some listener question where do you guys come up with your amazing ideas for the show Andy last ner? Michelle had dot that was from out and Bill. Is there Michelle Cada wise, Julie Bowen, wearing the same outfit? She wore when she tried to scare Blake Shelton a few days ago. Kevin interest- interesting busted, we tape those shows back to back, that, that we had to we got her earn shows go and has fallen on hard times. Outfit poor little thing, the truth is we take those two shows on the same day. She came a little early for her episode and we used her for the previous two shells notice that Michelle Haddad that is. Shantelle Sanders field. Please show Ellen how to hold the flute. I've seen her used this prop three times and all three times. She held it incorrectly. I know Kevin Leman is in charge of showing her these things. And I just have to say it drives this, former band, canned insane says, I know Kevin Leman isn't, I'm I thought he. The expert on how to hold the flute he may have added that. All right. I'll show her. I don't know how to hold the flu. How does she hold it? Incorrectly. Okay. But I don't know. I don't know either. But that's a problem. Show them we're doing. These questions as driving you crazy. And for comedic purposes and. Try to get her to holy crow. Ellen tube and show us how to hold a flute. That's right. And we'll show telling that would be amazing shantelle because. Hosted on Ellen. Hey, this is this is this is how you hold a flute correctly you play. We look for. Yeah. Just give us a little correct. Correct. Yeah. You know what as a smart person, I can tell you. That listening makes a smarter more connected people. It makes us better partners. Parents leaders and there's no better place to start listening than audible. Audible is where so many inspiring voices and compelling stories. 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And here's a great offer that Kevin wants to tell you about. You can start listening with a thirty day. Audible trial of your first audiobook plus to audible originals for free. You can visit audible dot com slash Ellen or text Ellen to five hundred five hundred that's audible dot com slash E. L. L E, N or text. E. L. L. E N to five hundred five hundred. All right. Well, George Clooney was here. Oh, you're. Wish really know but George Clooney was here, George Clooney. He walked out. And I said over the headset now that is a big fat movie star. That is just a. Big time. I mean. Time like yeah. Just there's so few of them these days that are that where you go. It's George Clooney, and you just feel the presence and yet the most regular normal nicest guy. So there's like a shortage of big movie stars, you figure. No, there's a lot of very talented people out there. But I'm talking about the ones who want to see him on a lot of shows. Right. Come around that often he's not he's not out in the world or publicizing expect him because he's into that. Maybe not be super comfortable or run, run out. He likes made himself comfortable here all day, hoops with. He didn't wanna wanna hang out in his dressing room would not have left, he loved being here, and he's just so normal and nice and the conversation they had on the show every part of it was fun. And interesting. And he's funny as hell and and Iyar was shot on our stage. So the stage that yes. Yeah, E R was on our stage not know that. Yeah. So his his big career break of being on Yar happened at the same places. The Hello you. Forgetting about acts of life. Thank you. Ed. I really trained. Well. Time. Honestly, because I never saw. Yes. This is proof. We need each other. Yeah, exactly. But he really is an amazing amazing talk show. Guests we could play so many clips from him. But this one large producers have selected because he was about a year ago. He was in a car accident. A motorcycle accident and a serious accident serious accident. And he talks about it here while you were shooting. This your incidentally. Right. And this is when you had the accident. Yeah. Yeah. I was on a motorcycle scooter, but a big one. And I hit the guy a guy turned in front of me. I hit him at about seventy miles an hour. So I was a I got launched and I like crushed his his windshield in with my head, and then I went flying up after knock mammoth shoes, proper accident. And I actually thought that was it. You know. And if you did one hundred times ninety nine times I wouldn't be be around for. So I got I used up nine lives and then. My wife and I said, okay. Up's bowl to wheels. Well, we know that and we feel bad that you would not get to ride again. So what we've done for you. Come on. And you've got the sexiest man. Yeah, it's your which oh that's, that's an old one. Now the AARP sexiest man still alive. So that gift she just gave. Yes, is so funny, you have to see what it looks like check your DVR so you can see him driving around about scooter. Holy crap. It's a it's a great visual. I'm gonna turn over dead clapping. Thank you. I think we should play a clip of him talking about his kids twins and about how he is dad. I thought it was funny. Yes. Relatable and kind of adorable. Absolutely. So here that you have apparently to children. I found out I have two children. There are about like that now now, are they equal heights? No. He's taller. Yeah. It's weird. They're very they're very their own personalities. He goes outside hugs, my car car, and he hugs it, which is, is bad when I'm driving. Seems dangerous really gets right in the wheel wells. And then and then my daughter's up my wife's closet with versus going mine. So I see this is going to be a fun. Fun life. Yeah. And they're there to right? It'd be two in June. Okay. So two babies is one thing, but to walking around running things is another Zola. They run in two different directions. You should tell them together with, like a bungee. Yeah. So that they can only go so far. I hadn't thought of that. That's why I'm here I come to you for most parental advice. Yeah. Well, yes. I always come to you, aren't you smart? Yes. Yeah. But that's really sweet. That they're, and they're so are they pretty well behaved for two because the terrible twos is thing. Right. Very well. They were sick of the last couple of days does sort of ruin your nights is you must imagine, and did they in the same room. Yes. Most of the time, unless they're just waking each other. Right. Isn't that a thing like because I have a friend who has two kids, and to finally separate them and have their own rooms. Is that going to be a thing? I don't know. I haven't done it yet. I'm a find out it will come to me for parents advice. Do they have accents because you live in Italy? And then here in England and England. So you the other day I caught my son because my wife is very, very English. British my son said, zebra. To fix that. That's not gonna happen. No, no, no, no. But what kind of accent, they have, then if they're to do they have do they have an accent, cute? Tell you do. They can here's the scary part because the obviously got my, my wife's brains. They're, they're not quite two and they can count from one to twenty in English and Italian. I'm still trying to do the. That was. Yeah. Wow. They are super smart. Then. That's right. That's scary, when they're smart because it's easier when they're dumb. I got a lot of dumb relatives awful easy. Thank you. Mr. Clooney, George Clooney. Thanks, buddy. Go back. I'll touch you later. What you're saying. Clooney was listening. I said, thanks, buddy. I'll text you later. 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On four K ultra HD. We got another like if he's in charge of movies. Yeah. Sterling K Brown was one of my favorite actors on television fantastic. Good on this is us. I know this is this is one of Kevin's favorite shows, and it makes Kevin cry. Every week every SOPs up I get it. And I would say this you have to watch. But we go to L in tube and find it but we scared him the first time he was here. Yep. We scared him the last time us on the show. Right. And he came back. And of course, I said, we're not scaring you. He looked around. He was very suspect and did a lot of inspection of the tables to the way we scared on the last time was we played a game, and the performance area of our stage which was to people facing each other at a table seated facing each other at a table playing a game where they had to describe the it was, basically, it was called movies. But during it the table that they're playing in front of was like, made out of styrofoam and our talent exact Corey jumps out of this table and scares the bejesus. Sterling K Brown. So we knew we couldn't scare them that way. So we got a table that looked like a scare table. The top was a false top. You could open it up and see inside the table. We showed him all of that. And then during the game we dropped a ninja from the rafters at crazy and saying at such a fast speed and that can't not scare you. The you can't prepare yourself for something new guy. I knew it was coming in. It's slowed saying, yeah, we love you thought saying not saying I got you. Yeah, you're, you're you're pretty jumpy at times. Anyway, here's the audio of that scare because it's funny still. But then they should really go watch the DVR and check it out. I'm giving we're we're doing and we were going to play your game nothing. You. Is this check I can check it? No, I'm doing you guys think I'm being weird. Okay. There's nobody. Obviously I if I can lift it, nobody's in there. Lift. Okay. I'm good. I say. Copy that, that's how well built these things are. All right. Okay. So we were going to play your game. But then I told you about a game that I play is really fun. We portion are play when we're driving long distances. It helps pass the time. So I will say a famous person could be an artist. It could be a celebrity, it could be a sports player. And so, I'll start with a name and then you have to start with the first letter of the last day. And then I have to start with the first letter of that last name, I will start with sterling K Brown. Let's go with. So it's a b. All right. And I'll say we're known adjusted. Judge reinhold. Okay. Ryota. They have Oregon or again, so there's no less name Ricky Martin. Okay. Mary Tyler Moore Mandy Moore. Mariah carey. Where huxtable didn't count. Now. Okay got snow did. But, but. It's if you repeat or, or if you can't think of something in certain very. All right. Mark wahlberg. Kill you. Were also busy with the show during the week. It's hard to find time to fit in hot breakfast. But we just heard about this thing called just crack. Neg hot. Fluffy scramble yet. Ready in less than two minutes. How's that possible call? You have to do is that a fresh eg over there diced ingredients stirred up, microwave and boom. You're hot breakfast dreams, have been answered. I want this immediate. I know there's actually seven different scrambles, there's the Denver, the veggie southwest aisles more than I can even name. So you've gotta try just cracking AIG and take breakfast back. Go get it in the gal Andy. This is up your alley. The automatic pain cakemaker. Perfect. Sounds amazing. It's like two minutes. A lot of time. Like I don't have time to eat it sounds like a great thing. So what happens when we see a tape of a nine year old Irish magician on a Friday airland on a Friday? What happ well, when the visa workers, all when the visa paperwork, all taken care of here. They're here the following Wednesday. Yup. That was that was mind blowing to me how we saw the tape of this kid. Yeah. He was adorable door is mom was was the subject of the trick that he showed us on his video tape so super sweet. It felt like the next minute. I'm sitting in a production meeting saying that he's going to be on the show and he flew from Ireland with his with his family. Unbelievable super super sweet kid and a very earnest magician. Yep. Such as and you have to watch them on Ellen too. But here's a little bit of, of his personality. Nice to meet you. I saw your video. You really, really good. Thank you. And your from Arlanda. This is your first time in LA. And yes. How do you like it? I love it. The it was an eleven hour flight hotel is you though, like has twenty four floors. Yeah. Yeah. Is that like the biggest hotel you've ever seen on yesterday? We went to the walk of fame in the Hollywood side. Oh, wow. So you're having fun here. Yeah. That's wonderful. Okay. So I'm glad you're here, and you do magic and I love magic and your nine. How long have you been doing this? I've been do magic for four years now. I've started off like Mogae kids like sets of module, and then. Nick. And then I started doing college magic, but the one annoying thing is sometimes there's, like, Joe some really easy techniques. I can't do because I have small ponds. Oh, will not prolong. All right. So what are you doing today? And I'm going to be doing cortra- shorts though, right here. I have a deck of cards, all the chords, Ariffin. Yup. Great. So I'm just gonna get you to tell me when to stop. Okay. Okay. Tom, you stop great now this cord right? Here is going to be ok. Okay. But nobody's going to look at it until later on. Okay. Sure. So we'll just put that right there. Okay. Okay. Great. Now over here. We have a blank DVD DVD case an inside. We have a blank DVD. Okay. Yup. So can you. Please sign the shiny side for me. Ellen sure can. Thank you. There you go. Thank you. That'll be a were a lot of money. Tricky. Thank you. So we'll just put that in its case here Okari close it up. And just pop pop right there. Okay. Okay. Now in my pocket here we have some of my favorite movies. Okay. Yes. Like we have toys story store wars. We have Geraci Paul, Titanic, finding Dory. Oh, I like that. One of your favorite, it really is its own a my favorites is great E. So can you please just go ahead and grab any movie for me? Just anyone anyone just go right on this one. Thank you. So you can just tell everybody what it is, is the incredible 's, the incredible is that movement. Yeah. Great not as much as finding Dory, but you. Hey, great. We'll just leave it down here. Okay. Okay. How incredible what it be if this blunt DVD was now the incredible that would be incredible. Teaches himself these trip. He goes on you. He sees magic tricks. Would you say a little polka dot bowtie? Accent, any complains that part of the problem of him being able to do magic it his age is that he is kid sized hand and so it makes some of the tricks harder for him to do. You know, that's the reason that this is a true story that Donald Trump did not become a magician this because he is really small hands really. Yeah. He would be magician, but his hands were really, really small hands. But man that kid. That's cute. I just loved them. I really did just any was so composed in front of these nine. I know we were low pass mother's day now, yes, but they're the great monologue that I think it was the Lauren Pomerantz idea Ellen worked together about bad mothers day gifts. Yes. And I enjoy it very much. It is to play that one. You are allowed to play you wanna tell me about it. I now you wanna talk about dawn, dawn. Oh boy. Well, yeah. So the first personnel is gonna call on. This is a woman who was given an iron mother of eight mother of eight and was given an iron for mother's day from her husband when the babies were all little. Yes, networks out there. Still married for thirty years. God bless them, but oh my gosh. This poor woman, and dawn. Just looked like a character out of the background of Scarface move. Yeah. It was like a New Yorker. He's just he doesn't care. He's making the funny. I don't know how he got in our studio. He just didn't look like you belong there at all. It was so fun. He was hilarious. Listen to this mother's day monologue. Enjoy before the show. We asked audience members to tell us the worst mother's day gift they ever received and the worst gift. They've ever given. And if it was a secret. I'm so sorry because I'm about to share it with other people in the world. Okay. This name is interesting color. Seta. Ohi. Seta. Peta. There's, there's no need to lean down that Michael. I'm used to little kids. Yeah, yeah. No, you don't need to where do you live? Covering in Salt Lake City, wonderful. Okay. You said a mother of age and one mother's day. My husband gave me an iron. And then she put iron in all caps. So she's angry. Am I unmanned is tonight? No, they're not applauding for him. They're applauding. Why are you putting I don't know what? So why did you ask for an iron? Did you not own an iron? No, no. I his should every day for his with, with my eight children. So I guess he decided I need to keep up with the. Sir. Stand up, sir. Yeah. What's your name, Don? Don, don. Okay. What made you think that, that would be a wonderful romantic rewarding gift for the mother of your eight children, who aren't your shirts every day? Think she asks for night now? Yeah. I think I think she maybe to hit you with. Now, have you made up for that sense? Then have you given her more? We're how long ago was this? We'll be married thirty years. So it was with. In there. Yanga. I have to say that now he dry cleans all his shirt, so. The iron anymore. Good for you. All right. Well, listen, guys. You got a lot of clips today on this episode, you know that I'm really miss some of the banter, that's led by me today. But we, we wanted to give us. John township of the show. Yeah, what's that end? And no. You playing. What are you playing find anything? I'm looking at my camera that is so not sure you were just on something. Yeah. My backyard camera putting in the fake grass. So I want to see what it looks Lori having over. We'll that's what I do. Have you ever seen me on my camera? Do you have one of those in your bedroom? Yeah. Yeah. What's what are you looking at in your backyard right now? They're putting in artificial grass because there's an area. Our back yard get's. No son, whatever. And it just became a dead patch, or we tried every type of grass, and it didn't work. And so we're trying the artificial grass, your carpeting, the are gonna basically we're gonna see how fake it looks artificial grass grows. They convinced us, it was going to look at. So we'll did you get the nice stuff? Yeah. We've now he the cheap stuff. I went with the nicest possible, and yet it actually looks better the longer, you have it, yet, because it gets a little you have my parents do. And they like it. Love love it. All right. Well, that's all I have the same grasses retired. I have the same grasses retired people in Arizona. What Kevin saying let me just say this is this sitting here doing this podcast. We will be playing for the people who want who choose to hear it on Thursday. The sixteenth of may. If my math is correct. It is, we have some amazing people coming up on our show in the next week that I, I think we should just tell name. Well, we have a lovely southern Reese, Witherspoon, okay? That's a big enough star. There can't be more Will Smith. No stoppage, which my friend friend, Tom hang Tom Maria's. Friends, Tom hang Tom Hanks, big big big. And then a couple of weeks. Jennifer Aniston ho and Harrison. Mark Wahlberg Merck. Walberg stead men's coming. Been here. We've never been here and we're gonna talk about him in and Oprah. And for the first time on Ellen Dr Ruth, Dr Ruth amazing, my gosh. I learned so much from her show about you alone. Subscribe today on apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever you're listening right now. And don't forget to watch Ellen weekdays for even more Ellen fund. We would so love to know more about to here at L an on the go, please head over to wonder Reebok com slash survey. It's a really short survey that will help make this show better. The wonder dot com slash survey. W. O N, D, E R, Y dot com slash survey. We'd really appreciate hearing from you.

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TTM 66: Clouds and New York, New York, New York

The Black Guy Who Tips Podcast

2:30:34 hr | 6 months ago

TTM 66: Clouds and New York, New York, New York

"They better know this too much. Hi Welcome to another episode of this too much on the blackout. Premium podcast network. I'm your host right. Join US always by my co host. Bossy who you guys may know as an award winning singer and best female actor in a motion picture nineteen seventy-two best supporting actress. Twenty six for fences along with while the Davis Golden Globe winner and future. Vp candidate for twenty twenty. Getting kind of late for biting a burning these pick and author. I'm telling the truth but I'm lying available for Amazon. Barnes and noble books. A million. Anybody anywhere you guys go and get books. I suggest you get it digitally okay. Don't go to a store and touch other people's books as everyone to be happy and say it's my girl. Bossy AAC be what's going on and Bossy. Hey I'm good last day of isolation new about to be free. Get out here when people listen. I JUST WANNA put out a little. Psa before we get started dear blackout tips. 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The story of us is where we break down. This is us from like a like what happened perspective. This could be us. We'll talk about What character we identify with the most in these last two weeks is not as you say. This ain't me is saving what we're talking about who? He was not feeling the most this too much money. We had him on where we got emotional This is John will be excitement when you guys left comments on our website Emailed US and stuff wanted to talk about this episode. And then what about us will will use on. What's going to happen in the future? With the embassy family drama. This is us I started. This is how we always started Boston. What did you think about the last two weeks episode clouds and New York New York New York? They were really good. I was surprised that I enjoyed Out of all the three I enjoyed What to name episode more than it always feels. I forgot how long it's been a feels. There was episode. Goo tweeting that but I trust you because you just watched well. We'll see smiling. I enjoyed kate so kate was part. Three of the big three episodes and been there was Yes cloud and believe clouds will. Yeah clouds about Randall's They're happy his anxiety. Oh my God okay. Are I knew there was one in between but I could not remember what it was and yes. You're absolutely right. I still loved them Grandma and I about the site like I'm done with him. I'm over. I'm more over him now than I was when he and Beth were fighting last season But I thought the the therapy episode was done. So wow it was only like a one. Man Show Sterling K. Brown's fucking star and. I thought that was done really well and I really liked yesterday or this week's episode because I love seeing Kevin's growth by Kevin Kevin now from Kevin In like the pilot the first season totally different dude. But it's a natural progression. Like yeah I I think knowing that it's heading towards them not speaking Kevin at the being the cabinet of I was wondering how they were going to write to that conclusion and when I first saw it at a glance I kind of assumed that Kevin Keeton everyone was Kinda in the wrong and now they've written into a place where I'm like random probably going the wrong and that's really good writing Yeah for me I enjoy both episodes. They reminded me a classic. This is us and once again. I've just noticed. I liked the show more when they don't try to wedge in these new characters like that's really. The only difference is not necessarily that these are like such stellar groundbreaking. Right and they're just going to that whale of people who can act their ass off giving characters that we know and love and Hayden and love and all that stuff and just letting us see them go through the process and I think that is the key to this. Entire the the key to this entire franchise that and especially. Now that we're getting stronger performances out of Christie mets and Like you say we watch Kevin grow into this row. They made me more is always outstanding and the censoring the show. More on her than the memory of Jack is is fucking amazing. She's doing some heavy lifting so I I will try to recap. This is the best I can Because we're doing two weeks and I'll try to just go over the broad strokes because I can't remember every single scene and all that stuff but So in cloud Randall gets upset. So there's like young Randall. Is Dylan with like getting a minus on the tasks and you know young. Kevin fucking got as and like p and art but failed everything else. Kate did okay in school but she likes brides. Who were wrong because she just got broken by a little boy And so there are dealing with stuff in a different way and random extremely light stressed out and it kind of becomes a episode about Randall. And his stressed you know because well. It's really about all the kids random. His stress is a big one because It's affecting his real life now so when he was a kid. He was super anxious super high strong and now as an adult. We know he's going to therapy for the first time and he's a a lot of the stuff happening with the therapist super shit so therapy and the therapists turns out to be like Geneva law. Believe now Tamla at Avalon. I'll let voice. She's the voice of I think she's a voice of Bobby Hill but she was also in our Louis CK's both his shows. That's why I know from the neograph. Allow these white women I fire. I'll tell white woman face blindness I don't know why but if you're white accurate I got confused but not so they had he so. He has therapy and a lot of his therapy. Share is just him like it's like you said it's very one man show us is him like her saying like a sentence or word and in him giving a monologue but it was great acting. Meyer Sterling K. Brown like Like he starts off diagnosing himself because he's rainbow is a control freak and you're like I don't even really need to be here but finalists do and I don't care. It's you know my wife wants me to do this. They think I need this. But you know I don't need this and I do love the little moments of that like when she talks about how. She's seen some of his shoes and stuff As as she knows who he is and he gets defensive where it's like that's not fair you. Shoulda told me that when I first came in a room Stuff like that. I thought that was interesting because we know Randall likes to present a starting to image and for a second he was out of control of that image and he seemed very very angry and last out her He was really like sorry. Go ahead go ahead. I really liked the the way that that episode was directed because you felt like how isolated in like. I'm not doing this. We didn't fare because he didn't really see the therapist. We didn't feel any warmth because he was like just very cold like I really liked how. That was directed. Yeah I think juxtaposing it with him as a kid with a minus and how he sees so much stuff as pass or fail that he felt like therapy was passing fail. You know like I'm like I have to pass this as a test and then I can walk out and live. My life uninhibited again right. Like let me just prove to you that I'm that I'm passing as an adult I. I'm getting as and everything and this is all the waste of time. I think that's how you viewed it. And then when he when he got challenged it made him get defensive and be like. I don't even need this shit I'm out So there's the other thing too. Where in the past like Jack teaches him to like? Run and exercise is like anxiety out which in many sense to me because like at that age and at that time in American history. I don't feel like there was so fucking popular for ages. Amien everybody especially like a working class Pittsburgh family. Yeah so the idea of like therapy through exertion and exercise which which does help to a certain extent but the idea that as the way that Randall just really leaned in and focused on that for the rest of his life. I can see how that how that form because you know. I think it was either this season or last season where we found out. He's running like some ridiculous amount of miles every morning. Eighteen miles or something like it was a crazy amount of miles. Where you just like do. What are you have a car? Are you GonNa Compete in the marathon? Are you like like word? You a Kenyan runner. Like what are you doing this for? What is the point of this but But now I feel like that makes sense because this shelf things that everything so I if make sense that like an oh and I don't know about you but it made me feel like Oh my God. That's how he's been forever like he's running to get your anxiousness out and I'm over and I need to be running like eighteen miles a day like nigger so I thought I'd our ally. Oh hold on a second guys on. Pause this but yes. We asked the technical difficulties guys but because we are very concerned about the corona virus. Here we have the on phone now. Because you don't want anything through crowd casts. A lot of you guys are in the chat right now and we take very seriously all right. So yes oh. Randall was struggling through there. He was getting very defensive. And like I said to me the exercising thing with Jack really made sense that he found that as a solution as a kid because we notice runs like eighteen miles a day on. Just every fucking day is life and to me. It made me go back and go. How much anxiety does this do? Have you know why he must have a ton of anxiety if he has to do that every day just to get to lie so they think of everything? Yeah they really do. It makes me. I was when I was watching this past week episodes I was like do they. Do they write it all in like a week because everything is so connected like like how I know that you have to build arts and they're like certain points in every you know like I'm learning how to do that now but it's it's so seemless feels like they just like they just took a month and just ruled every everything like crazy? How how how interconnected it all is it really is man and I thought between the acting and the writing and then the references to older things from the show following place without the Mike. Hammering at home like just a little montage of like Jack Ran Like I'm going to race around the track or whatever and Randall. Learning that Rondo even associated with like a fun thing but also it was his cure for his anxiety in a certain way like seeing that shit and then thinking about all the little like every moment is walking in a house now under armor sweating his ass off in the morning. Like Hey Beth you like yeah man. Oh Lettuce show Another thing that happens in therapy with Randall was He gets mad after the first day that he liked those the fuck off on there like it was a really and I and I had a shout out to them because you have been. I've been hearing this hissing through the whole episode. That sounded like he was balling over. Like I thought it was like a a metaphorical like this dude is boiling over and I was like. When did this show get this cheesy that they throw in sound face? This is a lot you know they were here and it just always and he was so seething episode but it just felt like it ramped up and and I was like okay. What is happening? Is he about to have a meltdown? Or whatever and instead we find out that the fucking her coffee maker. Whatever has been leaking onto the hot coffee? What been making us? It'll sound. Yeah and I thought it was a furnish it. I like a friend wasn't working. And then he kept referencing it like and looking over and I was like what is happening and the thing is like what you said to your point like it was a metaphor but it was real so it was like if it wasn't a real thing happening it'd be cheesy but the way they did. It was like perfect all came together so well so so good my God yes and it was like so much like Like and then he goes and leaves before he leaves office. And he's like you you turn it off or something like that like he's like he turned it off like this or whatever and Dan I mean I hate him right now but then make of the active okay. Oh wow young. Even the way that he would he would interrupt himself like he'd be talking like I do. He's not doing his little spiel. And and then look I was like Oh my God Sterling. Just win everything to take and like. Is that thing to where like I. Don't think anyone to their first therapy session wide open anyways. Still like a person you've got to get to know And so he was doing at his Randall Stump speech and when she called him on it. I think that fucked our whole session up for him because in his mind he had like a rental he wanted to present tire get NBA. I'm very put together. I know everything every was just kind of trip in if anything just need to work on this and you need to. Everyone should calm down. And we'll tell you about this. I was adopted. And she's like. Oh Yeah I notice story. He just went like well. Fuck it Dan you I mean you know. Was you know everything else I got on the degrees you talk. Why don't you Dr this okay And I can't remember. It was here later but he also did tell her that he does have a breakdown like once every ten years or so and he's trying to avoid that Any mostly puts it on on that. He's there like I'm here because Beth essentially things some might be wrong with me or whatever you know. We just needed. Get this verified. And then I'm out and so he quits. After the first session he goes back. He goes back home bath and main Beth. Beth is sitting on the couch and she's kind of like sitting on the couch waiting to hear about the therapy session Which Kinda makes sense? She's the one that say him but also because she knows how to Nigga is when he was like Yes oh so wearily creepy but he liked turns and looks at her. And it's just kind of like yeah. It's just not for me. And he has his like the way he delivers. A Lot. It makes is that like right. No big deal right but we just saw young gold fucking shit so yeah just like. Oh my God. Randall is so so good at like lying to cover his his shit like he doesn't have it together. He's good at trying to appear like he has it together but obviously this is an audience. We know he doesn't have it again and Beth. His wife has been here enough and she's like like she was so fucking gentle with him. It was so I think I love this scene because she was so like you put her hand on his shoulder and she didn't like yell at him like kind of like double down on the as I was hiding and be like well fuck you like. I'm GONNA get a divorce but she was just like okay new USA on wrong with it and he's like well. What does that mean tiger his randall as she's like. Because you always want something wrong with everything and you know this like this is really important to me out the you need to give it another try. And then she was like basically like on some why and then she was. I remember why wouldn't let you look persons morning person? He was like yes she was like you know why and she does her purse contents out. She has pepper spray. 'cause sometimes she has to close the school at night by herself. She needs to be protected. She had I phone as she asked that morning. 'cause she by any. I believe and the random date she don't need she's too young. Obviously you know like she'll get she gets middle school or something and she had the phone because she was like. I don't want her to because she wants to add a phone. I won't add a phone because I wanted atoll because a Nigga broken house and I was like I need to. You know I need to know about baby is our times and also I got. I went to the doctor. She prescribed me like some sleeping pills for because I can't go to sleep at night anymore. And she only gave me just enough to get me over to you know which. I'm glad they said 'cause I will start on it. You know. Maybe it's just me Bossy but I always be worried. They're going to have a secret. Beth Dixon moment. Oh God I'm still waiting for the wine like yourself like maybe like it's been were forced to either so maybe we are reading into that. I don't know everytime some drugs or alcohol comes Betham like she did smoke that we that's like that's when I turned the one thousand nine hundred. Eighty s dare program comes just like Weed is a gateway drug But yes so she's like I couldn't tell you why didn't you tell them you're going through this as she's like? I couldn't because neither look do period. What are you talking about? What about you said she could tell you anything then bothering her and so the reason I love this is because they fundamentally get at something? Nad Me and your discussed I think all of last season and some less this season but still some this season which is windows best ever get the lean right like he never does via like. I can't put anything on you. 'cause you're gone you're fragile and you're gonNA crumble with what you have already so you you know you don't you don't get to make me feel bad for not coming to you shit when you can't handle the you have and you refused to go get the tools that might help you handling some of this right. Who were still but this is. This is what drives me crazy about. Landau you admit that you have breakdowns. Every couple of years you're not supposed to have breakdowns any couple of years. That's not normal. That's not healthy. That's not good for this. Fuck you have them? You know that you have them. You know that every time. We have them to go to the hospital. What do you mean serious? How are you walking around thinking that you don't need therapy when this happens all the time? People who don't breakdown ever meet their be like it's so selfish and for him to act like like like like bathroom she's GonNa have it like I really wish. Sometimes they did separate fully because it just it's not fair to bet it's not fair to girl. It's not fair to anybody because Randall is selfish. As any thinks this is the thing he's Burch who signaling Selfish like he's thinks because he's selfish for good reasons. It's okay but no you're selfish and that's and that's that you're not good. Well also I would say so. He said once every decade or whatever but looking at the show he's about to have another one and ain't been no fucking decade homey like. Yeah like this would be like twice in four three to five years or something like that you know. I think also his like his altruistic selfishness is very weird because he's really good at grand gestures just like Jack. Right and it's really good at like and then I showed up at your event and I had flowers and I bought a new car. And it's like well. I guess I can't be mad at you for all this shit and in a way I feel like him having a breakdown like every say five to ten years is almost worse than if he had a breakdown like every year. Like because it's not have to live with the like simmering and the like constant march the inevitable march towards you break down and we both know is happening and get one of us into now and anytime. I offer some intervention. I'm the one that's the bad guy what I was gonna say when she said you know. I didn't let you go on your part in my purse. I thought she was gonNA positive divorce papers. I got scared I up in there you go. You play too much shit hours waiting for like this. Because he was going through the items like one two three and I was like an number four these papers so go back to their thing is like that's just been dealing with this and she was eighteen years old and she was eighteen years old. She's been dealing with this with this dude and for me honestly as much as much as I loved Randall. Season One and season two. I don't know why anybody still hanging out with them. I'll be honest like I don't know what I don't know what the upside is at this point because it seems like he's putting putting best through so much and have been since they were eighteen years old. That's not fair. Yes it's gotten worse too like you know what I mean as goes on like little shit And and also let me be fair to the character this show is starting to hone in on themes this so the theme for him now is his anxiety and how much he puts everyone through. So they're now going through each moment of his life that'd be like a eighteen. This is the worst thing he was doing. And at twenty this is the worst thing he was doing and at thirty. This is the worst thing he was like. We're getting these holidays where you're like. Yeah that's what terrible since you've always been terrible. The first couple of seasons they were show. Us other stuff right. They'd be like this is when he was so giving and kind and obviously in the makeup of a human being all these things are. They're not linear like they. They all kind of Mesh into what you are. So he's like he's someone I'll say sometimes I'm like you're not as good as your best praise and you're not as bad as your worst right now. We'RE GOING TO GET WORSE. This this this segment of the show is dedicated to like and this is the worship about random. We're like Yup Yup. That's pretty bad vertically. Conversely it's the best of Kevin after seeing the worst of Kevin for so long thank you. I was so that was good right. I was going to say we all walked in the door with. I love this black man and his black family long. Like there's a black show I fucking on the show. It's great and in a weird way I always say there's a television. There's a weird respectability that we don't talk about with this kind of stuff where TV shows make the black person. Now the like best person right I I refer to it. As a example Wacker Obama got elected every TV COMMERCIAL. Just about had a really smart black guy in it and they were always smarter than the p the white people buying this shit or whatever it was always like. I want to get a printed from best buy. How do you dislike dip? You'RE DICKY INC. And he's like no you don't do that stupid. White people. Here's what you need to do your best buy you know. I'M GONNA take expert or whatever I got seventeen degrees for my work in the best buy tech department and Bam Bam and so it's like this weird representation right whereas like no. I don't want commercials. Where like black guys are breaking into your apartment to sell you an alarm but I also think it's Kinda weird that we just jumped to one hundred percent positive black representation. There's no complex. New is no nothing and so ran does a great example of walking in the door. Everyone feeling super hype about like looking positive example of a black man so much shit together in touch with his emotions. He's this and then they just deconstruct him until we're now in like it's almost like therapy. We're in now in the muck and mire like how do you fix the parts of you? That aren't well and the opposite with Kevin like we start with like a womanizing alcoholic. Holly just cheated on his wife Lay The white man of privilege Heidel. Yes yes entirely. Entirely like Dependent on sister to be his assistant and dedicate her life to him. And so we start with this guy that we're like I don't about Disney and now we're at this point with me anyway and Bossy too. Whereas like I like having Kevin's for dealing with the sheet. Great so yeah all that stuff to be like man. This is great fucking show. Our any rental store is going back to therapy in this episode. So he does go. That didn't make me happy though. It didn't make me happy because it still wasn't. It still didn't feel true did it? Because of that he went for vet because he was causing problems for best and yeah. He was better once we got there. The light brightened up. We got to actually see there space so he was open to it. I get it but it's still a really wanted him to know that he needed it because of himself. Not because it was causing problems for best. Well I feel you on that I I would say for me. It didn't feel like a scene that was supposed to make us feel happy or like and now it's resolved if got like and now he's willing to do the work like that's it like. This is step one into your like now. You'RE GONNA listen to this fucking expert that he apologizes to obviously but now you're going to listen to this woman for the sake and that's okay to me as a motivation is if it starts with for the second year wife for you to have to realize that it's yourself that's the starting point and so. I think for me. We haven't gotten to the next week yet but for me it definitely didn't feel like a resolution and you know after this week's episode. I was like Oh it wasn't supposed to be an adult now. He's better like nope. Nope don't be a while if we get air. I'm assuming we get that right. I mean come. They were still when they was like Disney. A guy to come out of this come on now. I can't I can't do this for every okay if we do this yet. How many say they plan on doing? Was it six six six. Yeah so we got to most eases. Like hey man. I'm GonNa Job Star wrapping up this bigger for two more years. Yeah all right. So then Kate and the clough's episode she toby's trying right he's hanging out with Jack she's back from the cabin like he's really actively involved in trying to get to know his son. Is You know it's like song cramming for a test almost and so I I forget the exact scenario would like she gets up in the morning and he is oh. I'm sorry in the past. She broke her boyfriend and her dad had to tell her. Daylight is a guy out there. That's just you haven't met him yet. But like there's a perfect guy for you but he's still cooking. You know you still still being molded into the man that it's GonNa take to be with you so yeah so then. Kate is very very resistant. Toby's efforts to like be like look. I really want to be involved with our son. I love him. I was tripping earlier. And she's also like I don't know about this shit dog and he says well can you look. I WANNA show you something coming to the garage. He's made like a cardboard box studio of musical studio. And I know I shouldn't but I won't lie guys. I did fill it. I was like oh he really trying and I know I know I know also as a key you know. I'm the friend in the group that were not supposed to be talking to your access. Like Oh did you see. He was at a he was on facebook crying or whatever. I'm that Way Mirror. Pick me yes yes I like the rest of you basic bidder. Women okay. I'm out here unmarried. Trying to get shows okay dealing with the government on earth treatment. So he he did do that. I was really proud of Cato. Medicate investing juxtaposed with with how she was trying to be over accommodating with. What's his face Michael Andrew Offers Maine's abusive one. Mark Com mark. I was really proud of her for the way she was like. I understand I see I appreciate it any more time like. She didn't just jump into the into the I. Forgive you get another. You know huge gesture big gesture right and I did like appreciate him. Try and once again. Yeah I was like it makes sense that she would be like no and then lucky for him. She gets a phone call from Madison. Who's like Y'know oh I just love it like alleged to talk to you about this face to face and let me just give out the Madison Madison. You are me okay. I I am the person than most to like talk. Make amends understand that you're good with with with a slight? I'm that person now. Try Not to be obsessive about it in like I like if my friend had an issue or something I try not to be like. I'm GonNa Bother you forever but I am the person like. Hey maybe we should talk. Hey you WANNA sit down. Hey just look I'm GONNA come right out and saying okay like in a so. I appreciated their Madison. I pre- I empathize with Madison about that. So they see she's like okay. I'm going to go to lunch and I think he lets you wash Jack. So he's like okay cool and which another opportunity to kind of prove yourself I think only time can prove yourself which is not going to be it's not going to be a thing where he can just magically gestures way into it it's GonNa WanNa spend time with your son you're GonNa have to just do it So she goes alliance. Madison talked about sleeping with Kevin. And she ends up giving cates on relationship advice. Wage at our was interesting because on the one hand she was like you know Like what's wrong. So because case like look I know you WanNa talk about Kevin AC- it and you know a little bit mad at you but I understand you know like look I mean I mean he was so vulnerable. He's a movie star. He finds. I mean you I mean I I know I thought they would. You have to understand right. I mean it wasn't a lifetime you got to try Z. Like gross that's my brother. My brother I called my brother looks funny to me. Let's funding me was was kate and Classic Pearson Fashion. I know you WanNa talk about your thing. But my say she showed up to talk to Madison for Madison to get it off our chest. I'm stop right. They're playing me. It's all we have problems and and medicine because Madison being what you need to be done in that situation because you know what she won't be mad at you about listening to Richard Herman so just like He ain't shit girl and I love how Madison was like. Listen if you need me to say he ain't shit he as you if you want me to kill. Kryptonite girl out. Al-qaeda Kryptonite girl. Here kill your husband for you. We will raise baby Jack by ourselves and Commune. Like what are we doing? Hey what's the plan? Because I will kill her. Like Madison is ready to be an accomplice to murder. I'll gate okay. Yes I think you guys need to stop sleeping on Madison. If you still you know so yes in Madison Madison. Basically say that. But then she gives her some actual Vice Kaz case by. He's trying to do this for the kid and he's trying to fucking like he made a studio thing in like it's just stupid or whatever. Madison's Mike Okay I hear you and if you if overstepping let me know and if if you don't fuck with this we go right back to kill his ass. Whatever the murder plot is a wittig. But how can you allow? How can he even make up to you if he does have a chance to make it up? You like is the goal. We're leaving this job. Every no more or is ago ultimately you would like to go back to our happy and with him contributing and all that stuff so yes that was that was kind of the point of that story and Madison with the word. Yeah I love. How Madison like ill such shade but basically to Madison like so. How did you come up with that? I very much like what you've done How and then go single. So like what the fuck and like. I listened to a lot of relationship. Podcasts and I was like a very go barry. I won't years later. I Still WanNa Kate Madison podcast. I think it would be good like this deserve. You're listening spin off a hot cats okay. Why Not People? Why I would. I would listen to a weekly arches Keeton Madison breaking down on everything It doesn't even have to be so related. They give you talking about a regular life stuff. I think they make a great combo of beat Madison and and just now mature K. Like anyway so kate. Here's a out and his like like that happens all the time. Well Adams with me as a friend anyway. Where if I do disagree with my friend gently or just want to be like Yo you might not be looking at it from this perspective a lot of times that. Kinda like damn you right and that was case case by was like Very Damn. I guess I'll go the mature thing so she she's so I got I'm just growing up Okay okay. So she goes home she talks. She sees toby couch and baby. Jack is knocked the fuck out but coach. Toby afraid to move. Because if I move he's GonNa wake up. He's going to be crying so I just been laying here hoping you would come home so it just helping out. Because I don't know what to do. This guy stuck out easy mode babysitting but see then cartels like you know. I was talking to Madison and she made a good point. Like how am I supposed to even help us get back to where we were? If I don't even give you a chance and I was like this is so mature her too because they reminds me of how she was with her mom. And maybe airing on the side of caution after thirty years of not of not having a good relationship where mom but it kind of makes sense like give him that chance to at least fuck it up to the point where you're like okay. I'm sure I can move on because if not you're gonNA always regret this shit. And then he goes at the studio and we get the deltas montage that montage fucking good when they put their foot in Dr. They know what they don't. We get the montage of like the fake studio and Little Baby Jack Plan with like a little casio keyboard type thing. All the way to like grown adult Jack started like like Ge like Middle School Jack with a ban and all that Shit. The AM practicing by herself as an adult name. Boom we know that that was the spark that started the fire. That you know maybe Jack Became Jack Pearson the greatest thing in the world or Jack. Whatever Toby's last name is whatever? Yeah he became Jack. You know the the great singer she so I thought that was so call. And then Louis C. A. Kevin Kevin as a kid goes with his mom shopping because he got ten dollars from his two as on his report car. Which wow why people must be nice. Oh must be nice My parents listen Even when they paid us for great it was negative for bad grades. So this system. I don't understand like there's no penalties it straight fs and it's like well you don't get any money. I got straight bag raise. I would only to my parents okay. I'll be a slave forbid. They just Y. Okay well go go. Dig Up the backyard. You work for us now. This is your thing needed. Dental survey like wasn't going to get that much money for good grades anyway but Nigga you definitely not. You're not getting money pulling it like a one point six. You weren't getting that what? Listen I am a black immigrant child? You got beat for bad grades. You got nothing for good one. Come on then I got listen. I got hit. I remember I got hit for a grade because what happened was up until fourth grade. I was basically stupid right I. I shouldn't tastes do hours. Unfocused I was because I was not our anyway but I just didn't give a fuck about school clowning in Class. And you know schools thing you do for eight hours a day to go back home and then. I fucked around got good grades. One quarter and my dad was white. So you could've been doing this shit all the time he's like in these that. My Dad was seeming novel. Like and explain how you got this. I'm like yeah you just add this to this and Bob while he's Okay all right well good for you. Keep this up my article Get Back to school and like back to normal. Fuck this Shit Tommy. The clown got bag race Yeah I got a whooping and that the president was. I was getting good grades every every semester. I was like. Don't WANNA go back to weapon so I`Ma go ahead and study this incentive of and he did at some point you know because I think time went on my parents got a little more woke and then it was like okay. Well incentivize with the money for the grays which was better than plus. Get Two big right like well. Hopefully you get too big. They're not going to be able to beat you forever so at some point. He's like our. Here's ten dollars. Some good great. My whole point is bag race. Got a negative Yong. I'll understand the writing system. If I grab a fucking or D I shouldn't just. That shouldn't be zeroed as you'd be like negative like what the U K to go college tonight. I don't know why it was so frustrating. But yes this is. Ten dollars like a random. Was Pissy guy like forty five like he was like fuck. I got an a minus no granddaughter. Still fifty dollars. It's like it should be fifty three right. This is Bush so he goes to the store with her because he wants baseball cars. Y'All remember baseball cards amount of only one go the nostalgia from heart showing that this is terr- while it is. I wonder why I remember my sister and I- collecting baseball cards but never watching baseball like where was that? What was that ninety eight? Is My niece. Why we're collecting baseball very high. Like we thought we were going to get so much money in the baseball cards and it made no sense. 'cause there were so many baseball cards the whole point of the baseball cards. That were valuables that there weren't any like back in the Great Depression. I gotTa Fuck Babe Ruth Car and I just happen to not use that one in my bicycle spokes in Nineteen Eighty. Nine is worth a hundred thousand dollars. I'm like Oh my God. I should go by fifty seven packs of baseball cards. I remember I remember my sister and I were going through. Packs the baseball cards. And we're looking for Jose can think. Oh I don't know why again I did not watch baseball. I mean nothing but we're looking for Jose can so we're going through going through the packed? I'm hand I'm going through my actions going through her. We're looking for Jose Canseco hopeless case. So they can take we go through all of them. We don't have Jose Kaneko. I'm like God where is it? My sister says. I don't see hope they can go. But I've seen Josie like five or six times. I was like what J. Bazi man. This is terrible memories of one. I was Chicago Kaga White Sox Fan when I did used to barely watch baseball because it came on. Wgn which is a national channel. But there's actually a Chicago based channel so I will watch those games and I was a big Robin Ventura Fan. Just 'cause he played for the socks and I think he also got his ass one time on. Tv and it became like the worst aspen anyone's ever seen on TV and then like the baseball cards. I ever him I throw away. Looks like it has something to do with his stats. Like this would be. Repin this motherfucker. The second thing is that I do. This is so funny. Because I the Josie the Josie my brother he would collect bask- basketball cars and so me as the older brother bit of Egner and not necessarily. I didn't watch that much basketball until a little bit later in life and so my brother got a car for Dan. Marley Marl spelled M. A. R. J. R. L. E. I was completely confidently walking around like all shit they're measure that's that's my biggest Marley. No matter look Jay right there. That's clearly say that I do the Phoenix Science Guy. Good because Charles Barkley went there and molly was on the team so we were like watching a actual game with them and he was like day Marley for three and my brothers lose looked at me like no the fuck so so ear anyway. Oh my head hurt. I wonder what the bugging gum looks like now. Like if I bought a mic condition an open pack of baseball cars from nineteen eighty nine. Is the gum. Cry Does now because it was drive. Now gotta be like preserved Jerky or something preserved. He went were Remember big chewing gum. Bigly yes yes I was like. Why are we chewing gum? Because it's like chewing tobacco. It makes no sense still obey bigly to still pay. I would buy some now if I could find okay. They had it at the dollar store about ten years ago. The last time I seen some and I bought so much big league to that was my shit when I used to play t-ball and Shit I'd be out there being terrible terrible t ball but I was so great. It's bitten fake snuff. Oh well we're seeing something happen. That's in our childhood with were baseball. We super popular are so much was it? Was it. Go knuckle Derek a bow Jackson. But Yeah Bo was a big one de Dion Sanders. Play like it was big for a while. Man That was shape back in the day baseball man and I don't remember ever watching a baseball game in my life but I remember Ken Griffey Junior. Has I think Nike started doing commercials and baseball players That was it was the for like a little bit. You know and then I don't know what happened. Y'All got owed. It was like new Dunkin. Oh people I'm GONNA go check this out last. I saw your boy and then I think the NFL I think Jordan and then the NFL rising to prominence was. Kinda like all right. Well good luck with their's all white people we'll go. We'll go racism in another area by right anyway. He was really obsessed. Kevin really obsessed with going shopping for his mom. He tells us he's not following mom he wished he was like. Sophie's mom which shot to Rebecca because he took the challenge. I really thought she was going to be like well. You know baseball causing little beach. Take you come get in the car. We go home but she was not a fun. Well I'll tell you Mr. And so they got to the record store she listening to some Joni Mitchell I believe and she talks to Kevin about it and we get a flashback of in. That flashback of like her and Jack when she was when they first started dating a drove all the way out to California for their record. Contract thing Ridiculous they drove around Hollywood looking for Johnny Mitchell. Our House and couldn't find it so now back the teen teen. Kevin and and his mom out shopping she listened to Johnny Michio and then he goes to the baseball card store. And they're looking for a John Candelaria. ninety-one baseball card and so he buys like Tampax baseball cars with his ten dollars and they go through each one. He can't find it he's like blown us off for good luck or whatever and she's you know she's trying to be fun mob and all this stuff and then she opens wanted to pass and she's the one that found the condylar area Baseball card she reveals to him in a fun way what she's like. I don't see it anywhere sport. I don't think we got initially like. Oh my God wait a minute. What's his name? John like boom. You Got One. And he was so happy to have won they. Yeah and then in the normal time period you today. The older Kevin and he goes out to Rebecca's house and Rebecca Miguel's house he offers To take her out for the day because now that she knows she may be done with memory loss though she's really like I wanna get out experience like before. I can't remember this shit. So she's like less. You know. Yeah we can go out. And I think I don't remember if they go out with the intent of the Going to see Johnny Mitchell's house but it ends up becoming bad but they went somewhere. Fun Day they're going to record. That's what it was. As he watched and this time he watched it was so such great writing. 'cause they show like. Oh Kevin Bien like mom. Let's go and show Odor Kevin. I mean young Kevin be like mom. Let's go I won't get baseball cards? He can give a fuck order. Kevin now know how precious these moments are like sitting there watching his mom. Listen to Joni Mitchell and the kindness and softness that he was treated with when she's just like you know I wanna go I WANNA be. I WanNa go to see Johnny Mitchell House. And he's out. We got time for that. Mom You know gotTa get you to this appointment. As she's like Kevin. I really just want to go many more girl all acting awards okay. She's I especially when they show her with Jack and then hurt as order. Rebecca being like you know like Kevin. I really want to go. You know like last time we couldn't find it and we put it off and now I really need to Sita's whatever and he's like okay. You know so. He takes her to see it and they even go like into the House area like she. She goes into like how she just like. Oh it was open. And he's like what are you doing? He's like I don't want to be you know. Movie star is caught sneaking into Johnny Mitchell's house with his with his with his mom. And he's I actually. That could play might be a good. Tmz STORY HOT ON. But Yeah so. I think she wanted to do one. More thing acted this. I can't remember what the other thing was. But they hit us like we have to get to this appointment like she's like I can do it tomorrow. And he's like I know she wanted to get a dessert or something something like that. And he's like mom you gotta understand. I'm the brothers. Inc insisted the one that people you know in Randall and his his therapy appointment was saying how like I'm holding his family together. And she you're gonNA see like Kevin GonNa fuck this up. Because everyone fucks up but me and she and so there was pivotal moment where we do know if he would've fucked up and they didn't make that appointment it was going to be like a yeah. Rando World War three you know. He would have felt vindicated. Even talking overreaction but yeah I was so scared though to me to really scared like I the relieve him my chest when I seen him. Miguel and Rebecca at that table talking to the therapies up to the doctor I was like Oh thank God. Okay Yeah I. I just don't feel vindicated. I don't care if I know he's wrong. I just don't want that. Facebook mean argument like lesser. Show will give us the facebook argument. Where like we understood why Kevin misdemeaning but then we would also have to understand why render was an ad and then everyone everyone with divided into camps of like. Who's right Randall? Or Kevin and this shows no no no no he out there on time. Everything's Fine Reynolds wrong. So just wrong so it. Yeah yeah all the time and these. Tv shows where they just want us to argue and then I think though the doctor tells them that his mouth cognitive impairment maybe some slight shrink age and like some part of the brain for memory and it is on track with possible Alzheimer's at some point but they would need to run more tests to know for sure like that type of stuff And the other heartbreaking partner way is that she has all these good moments around Kevin like she didn't lab any like memory loss. Or what was that thing I was saying like she? You know she didn't get lost or like so for Kevin. I think they know job right. And I think it's hard for Rando to accept that because he can't see the other perspective of like he's more like blaming people like how could you not see this and it could be that. You're so hyper focused on hard that you're seeing moments that people don't see and I'm not saying that you're wrong. Necessarily like almost the worst thing. That's the worst thing that was proven. It was that you were right but then in a way that makes you feel like you're right because you're better than everyone else but yeah. Seattle didn't have any bad moments like that with With Kevin so there was nothing to see Yeah it's I've seen this this This person that I follow on instagram. She called the holistic psychiatrist the holistic therapist and she has these little infographics and one of them. Something like argue Summarize I can't remember the wording exactly like argue impasse or you so used to looking for things that are wrong but you sign them and I think that if it applies to Randall in that Because he he clearly he's never done what we're being adopted like clearly he's never dealt with that so he's always looking for reasons to be the one who was invaluable to his parents and Noticing stuff like that. It'd been an issue right trade Noticing stuff like that and and not seeing the times when she was okay like he didn't see her come. He didn't acknowledged that she left at one time for Thanksgiving and came back. He immediately went to number three hours ago. Win Though. Yeah yeah like. He doesn't give any credit to the fact that she's like mostly fully functioning at this point you know he doesn't have any credit to that shit so I if she you know the fact that she had well we'll get to that next but she has one slip up for the night and he's like oh walk like complete panic and it's too much all right so I think at the end of this Kevin goes and buys John Candelaria two dollar baseball card for a local shop and puts it in his wallet. Which again. That's what it's gonNA show up again. Yeah yeah and it was asleep moment to like The other thing too was like Debbie lab. Is The baseball car collector? Still only two dollars. Y'All that accurate accrual of wealth. Two dollars I New York New York New York. Guess what is about going to New York so jack and Rebecca as they take the big three to New York is when they're like. I think not quite not college age but like teen ish like There were L Yang a college not 'cause there's right after Mark Roe Cup not couldn't be marked because they will be. He was dead by the time. Mark broke up with them K. Seabrook was some other ways that is like feel thirteen but I don't know that's right so they could just be casting actors. That are bigger now. I don't know they go to New York and the kids are being hello annoying. They all have different things. They WANNA do Kate wants to go SIP tea. And some place range of course wants to go to a museum to the plaza. So that's all she oh levels. Kate wasn't goes to. The Plaza. Also let me ask you this. Do you think they're rewriting the middle eight years and stuff to be more friendly between her and Rebecca? I kept expecting the showed almost have like when when Kate is like I want to go to the plaza and t in the on the foyer or whatever the fuck an and Rebecca comes over like Oh yes. I always wanted to do that bug or whatever. I thought like cable is going to be like did you as you. I hate you. And it wasn't like she didn't start hating her mom until she was a teenager. Middle Kate tapes but but but but Little Cape was still like that was like she was really. They hadn't had that animosity issue though. Is that the kids are so big now and little. Kate is so much taller middle. Kate that you like I kept forgetting well only supposed to be me to recall. Yes because when you The reason I the reason I caught you when you were like. Oh she broke up with mark is because. I thought that the first time a rewound I was like Jack. Wasn't alive from what does that did they fuck up and I'm like no. The actress is just much tolerance. She was so I was like same age. Although I will give him credit now is really starting to like Aka now now all three of them make so much sense more. I'm just like that's that's you at that age. Anyway so Kate wants to do that. An Kevin Kevin WanNa do Kevin wanted to go to a fatal short a big He wanted to live back home alone. Two fantasy that's what it was okay. He he wanted to do all of it. He's like everyone pick one thing he said everything. Like Nigga what you know why. Jack didn't know what he wanted to do. And Rebecca wanted to go stared at painting at the Met So that in the past Jack overcompensate he's never been to New York he gets them lost a he's about to get the lost twice to the point where Rebecca is like. No we can't take the way to this exit. We will fucking miss where we're going and he's like no. I think I got it honeybear. Whatever my Nigga and he's getting on nerves so much right and he was in bodily search alike man thing to do right like I feel like that age of like that period of time and what defies men. I I don't know if it happens as much now that we've got these things in our pocket and tell us where to go but nigger. That was a period of time where the male ego must've been so much wasted time travel time must've been just right on top of the male. Ego refused to ask for directions refused to listen to anybody else's direction. She clearly said she's been to that place. How many times that he would like still know more than you? I have a map. Thank you very much. It is so they go to the. It's like ladies and gentlemen. The F stop is closed. Or whatever the fuck we're going to Staten Island. He's like what is he will be like. Yeah 'cause it's the weekend and they closed the stops on the weekend he's just like Oh anyway and I'm like Nigga apologize right in front of the case I still. I blame him one hundred percent. Yeah because he was awesome. I sit down. I got this and later getting them the wrong directions again and she finally intervenes. Like no Jack. Can I talk to you over here in a corner now? I thought so smart because I feel like the first time. He didn't want to be corrected in front of the kids. And that's why he overreacted. So well she pulled onto the side. It kinda disarmed him but shot out the patriarch. Because I think it was red though that was like don't worry we'll get deal fix like megawatt exclude that is funny. I told you don't fix it but she politics is like what are you doing? He's like I'm just trying. I be like you say Your Dad New York and he was like so sophisticated and he knew everything and he was taking place and I thought I could just do that or whatever. She's like. Well look I ride east. Is this way you know we're going going around way? We need to go down there and take back. Just do that. And we'll be fine and sees like he's like well. I just WanNa be like you know your dad see like yeah my abusive as custody people out dad like yelling over parking spaces trust. You're doing better than my dad. Okay that's that's not the experience I want. Now let's go Louis so at that. They got pretzels and then they got back on track. They did everyone's event except for Rebecca wanted to go to the mat but they close early on Sunday or something as though he was like I'll tell you what I'll help. I'll go hello cap for you. And then I'll put these little masters of bad or whatever and they will meet you at the hotel when you're done but she comes back to the hotel because the kids are like I'm tired. I don't WanNa go and it's so they go to the hotel she comes back and she's like I didn't get to go. He's like why is like well. It was closed so I had to basically go back to hotel. And he's like Damn. I wanted you to be idea thing. And they're like it's okay. We won't go anyway. He's like Nick. I care so he's like well. You know I started my thing. I know what I WANNA do. And he put everybody. I got the clothes back on and go out. They do horsing buggy ride through central parks. And it's like they do like the romantic parent pain like day in front of the kids is very pg kids. The kids are like. Oh my God my right. He's like listen. Okay I'm GONNA Guess Sugar. Y'All each notes focused on. Play play Gameboy or some shit man. Okay so again I. I thought that was so sweet. Air Kind of Corny and Jack Way and our Rebecca's just Kinda enjoying the Ri- you know but later in life we see when they're teenagers and college and or college age and Kevin is giving a monologue and at his drama classes. I I forget the exact he was doing but it was a it was a it was a a showcase. Okay okay. So he's given his monologue there and what you forgot. You forgot that that that What's your name. Take off to stay home. Oh Yes yes she did. And that's definitely coming back. Markus show first of all I didn't forget all right. I understood what was happening. The whole time bossy and frankly I don't tell me which way to go. Okay all right kids. Kids Internet everyone. Listening to a podcast. Just FOCUS OUR UNITS ARE. A woman is never go. Correct me in front of my listeners. He which you're right and yes girl. I would not have an like this. Martin Nigga sleek back up in his house because I came to. They just broke up. A you brought it up so astutely last hour. We did a show. You're like it might not be over. Cas that apology from Rebecca fell deeper than just that one day at the cabinet yet and I remember me like Nah. That's about right. I mean the League was tripping but the way abusive relationships go man. How God I hope? We don't go through this if this make a candidate house. Oh my God anyway what else okay. So then teen Teen Kevin Day. They leave like you say. Rebecca Leaves Team Canada. The Korea goes up with with Radio and bad like I was Kinda surprised Beth had been going on trips with them like that says that early to again. I'm just teen best was doing a lot like she had to do a lot. Yeah and I see them anyway. Go ahead well. It's like a Mama told her that that family never got over that man being dead and her mom knew right away now it all fairness I mean six months when Mama Sadie but still she knew okay. We know she lied. People are gonNA be forever girl just getting into this study and they go to the recital thing I mean the monologues Kevin Kills it. We see like a handsome Alderman name Kirby I think it was his name Who is a Kevin is like teacher or something. Yeah acting teacher. Just insert a little fun. Fact here. Kirby was played by David. Annabel who played Justin Walker? A little show called brothers and sisters and brothers and sisters is the daddy of a show like this that show. Would everything okay everything I just want everybody to know? I already knew that I just need you to take over the show right now. Okay I'M GONNA steer US right past that point back to it after wasting hours okay. I didn't know that that's that's amazing. I loved that show. It was so good and then also like you know just giving me a member. We saw older Kevin. He was giving me like older. Kevin Silver Fox buys right like like his hair and shave so put together so after the after the thing monologue. They're all in the hallway. Shout out to my man. Randall being a hater because he's the only one who's good who's okay. Everybody was like. Oh my God Kevin also great and I was like Nigga out of New York for this was good you fake debt. Even if you didn't get it and you didn't like it you get you drove your ass all the way to New York. You love it okay. That's how that goes. Don't come don't count me is what I'm saying like. If you if you drive you travel to see us do a live podcast and afterwards you got is straight and you know what I'm good. I'm good go ahead. Go Straight home. I'm cool rainless attaching such a big And I don't I don't really know. Oh well we do find out why okay. We're still not justify so Kevin's like all right. We'll look Oh my God. I'm putting it together now. Okay Anyway. We'll come back to this but yeah so Kevin is. Let's go out to dinner. They go get some dinner orders pizzas and shit for everybody and then he kinda hints towers of Tarbey coming over to the table so not smooth. But he's like clearly trying to Hook Kirby up with his mom light kind of hints towards you know like they start talking a little bit and it was Kinda awkward but I felt like it was mostly Because random was they're making it super awkward. You know what I mean like his judgmental like I can't believe it's happening in my face like it was so bad. And what do you remember? Jim Member I think it was like season two when when I can't remember what happened but but Kevin and kate made a joke about random wanting to date rebecca or random Rebecca being on a date when they went to the movie to say that. Yes in my acting like a jealous man. Yes yes and I know. Sometimes kids do this. Right right yeah. It's not uncommon. But it's just so I guess. Let me just go into what? I was putting together like. I now kinda see where to resentment from. Randall comes from the resent me. He has for his family in a way. And maybe they'll get to this in therapy. But to a certain extent. He sacrificed his quote potential specifically to be this quote unquote caregiver for this family. A here's mine. I'm not saying this is what happened. But in his mind he could have gone to Howard or probably some Ivy League school but he chose the school locally to stay around and take care of mom right he like. There's this life that he probably thinks he could have lived. Even his resentment of Kevin going to on to pursue an acting dream and being like you don't call a check on mom. Let's you need some money like nigger. You are so like better that you didn't get the the like you wanted to be in your mind. I'm not saying he's he's not this kind of guy but in his mind thinks there's this other randall. Who's like this fucking great? That is great life. That's his uninhibited. By all these other people's knees day he feels that he has to take care of and it's totally fair to everyone because we resist these people for human flaws human mistakes and asked him to. I can understand if we saw like we're just like oh my God please Randall. Just stay read that. I need help like if that was happening. Okay were you made his decision. You're making all these decisions for everybody else. And then you're you're bitter at the fact that they're not acquiescing tune to you to the things that you haven't even articulated like it doesn't make any sense. I mean you know that's how you know human emotions work. But but he's really so bitter like like like like something was taken from him as a posting fee willingly chose to give these things and the preview for next week makes so much sense now. Yeah that's why they're doing it because that makes so there's this whole other randall. That live in his fucking great amazing no problem life. He just thinks there's probably probably like a really black lives to because where he makes He meets Williams at the teenager and that probably means he goes to Howard so he's going to have a whole whole lot other. Liberian things probably thinking. Yeah Right Oh my God oh my God I'm so I was GONNA say that's not true. I'm so frustrated with him. That 'cause mad kind of implies dislike. I don't think I that I know he knows what he's doing. I don't think he knows he knows what he's I think he's fucking he's so in his own able he can't even see how fucked and doing this Therapy please come through So then they fight at the table because his mom leaves and she's like I'm going to go to the mat stare pain and the current terribly takes terric- retakes hand. He's like I. I you know this is awkward now sitting teenagers. I gotTa go and I'm GonNa Talk to Mike and Sheila some shady leaves and then Randall and in Kevin. Just go at it at the table. Basically with the gist of the argument being mom ready to move on and Y- She's a grown ass woman decided. She wants to date this teacher. Not Air Randall. Side is no. She's not ready to move on. And it's only been a year since I father died. Fuck you and Sophie and Beth are basically like MIA and Karen at the table. When we're on a double date would come with US fighting because I'm if we don't move this like we're not even here let's just not say anything An argument was pretty like it just showed the worst rando and that was teenage Randall. That wasn't even like old Randall. So Oh man But it really is. Also it makes me wonder like we're better than Sophie. Never close. Don't seem like it that's weird What gets because there's the men weren't close the other thing it makes sense in this situation because random random started taking care of his mom. The Day Jack died somehow his mind like a his mind. He's like and now. Everything's about taking care of mom Even though she didn't ask for that didn't necessarily need that. Maybe sometimes he may have leaned on him because he was just there. You know what I'm saying in a way that the other kids weren't but you can see the controlling nature of it. There's not a it's not necessarily altruistic thing it's like no she's not radio like who the fuck are you to decide that form birth you like or not murthy dotted? You like how you get to tell her. She's a range Jim Right. Yeah looking wants from her like Brian Her. You know what he wants. He wants her to always need him if he starts dating them. Then then that dude will do all the baking not prepared. We located now like I was so wrong about Miguel. We need him ago because this make Rando got out of control okay. So then outside that teacher a sexy teacher do hell hails a cab or Rebecca which reminds us of Jack held in a Cafe Rebecca when they were Thirteen or whatever She's like yeah. I'm GonNa go to the Mat and look at this pain or whatever and he's like I'll I know art stuff over that way you know I love to go and seek like she's like you want to go and he was like yes they he's like but we should walk there. Let's walk through the park. And so they walk through the park and she talks about Jack. He talks about his ex and they talk about their kids. Kind of being comfortable with them being like hot pieces of ass just on the market but got kids and the kids. It's kind of like. Oh but you shouldn't be dating And he's like you know it's weird. I divorce I say she would walk ears and Shit and then he sees what else buggies with the horses going through the through the park and unbeknownst to him that was one of the most romantic happiest days of. Rebecca's life that she got to be on our Jack Eric. Aides and he himself out of the words the love and respect of of a of a just a very beautiful woman. Okay Rebecca was looking good to now. Why don't you look so good coat? Co- come through like I like. I'm not GonNa frankly he went outside. I'll say you know what I see it like. I thought you gotTa try you. You gotta try like she gave you. She gave you a little bit of like a little bit. Flirt in thing wasn't like there's a little connection and it got kind of uncomfortable at the table. You know but maybe she just didn't want to be in front her kids looking like that so Anyway he says the people that take the horses through because he's super woke is the people who take the horses through. The park are like abused horses. It's the worst thing in the world for the horses and it's like only like a simple dumb ass tourist. Do some stupid shit like that is romantic. What kind of Aso does Shit like that? She's like you know what my stomach hurts. I'M GONNA go ahead and go back to the to the hotel. He's worked for real she liked. Yep Yep that's me and he he just stepped all over the ghost of Jack trying to try to stay in front of her. No could a little far though like you just met this woman like if I didn't want to do something I was like. Oh it's such a beautiful night. Let's walk the horses are tirelessly Shit like that? But he went into like disrespecting the ancestor he went off. Yeah he's like horses. You mean slaves over like he felt like when they got that piece of he was going to be like Pepperoni. Pigs are smart dogs right. You're eating intelligent. And like he just seemed like not gotta be around very handsome. Though very handsome Justin Walker Age dwelled Yup so she laughed and I assume she didn't get to go to Then in the regular time her and Kevin well see who saw star it. I'm trying to think Dick was fucking episode. Feels like Kate wasn't really in the very beginning when when Randall requested. The right needing. Okay so I'll say on both together because they kind of go together and this will feed things up Rando calls a special Colorado meaning to tell Kay in cabin in low key totally That he's filed a special program in Saint Louis that it's like does testing and trials for like to work with People with suffering from brain like I duNno br. I don't know what it's called memory loss or whatever and they're like you think great I was GonNa say brain trauma but then I was like that's not like a concussion or like in China head. That's not what we're talking about. So no near logical Blah Blah Blah. Yeah Neurological Blah Blah Blah. You guys now saying degrees and everything. I'm saying the word pleased alright ain't gonNA squeeze. We don't want thirty seven emails because Y'all are smart but cognitive impairment. Thank you so. It's like a special. They specialize in working with people. Doing through that is a brand new trial. But it's like nine months in Saint Louis. Whatever a Kevin a caterer lie about this Rando and he's like I've done the research I know what I'm talking about like reading from a prepared script Nigga Nigga. I'll shout. He needs to reform effort. Prepare script because when he freestyle he came up with Jack Grassy Park and guys know you needed to workshop to tear. Jackdaw was so much better. Good Job Toby so much better great. I'm I'm glad he came back with. Yeah Great Emperor Yourself. Sorry. I'm sorry I had to come back with that But Yeah so. They basically talk about that. I'M NOT GONNA cry. At first. I thought he would be like. We need to put her in a home right now and I was like this. This is kind of up there. Whatever right and so was funny. Is that You Know Kevin in Kedah kind of both. I don't know about this but they do come around like he's like trust me. I just need to understand this mom Blah and Kevin. I okay all right. We'll do is scheduled for lunch. We'll talk about it when you're in New York or whatever and we'll do lunch together Bob La. He's like I that that's that's fine. But you can see chemist has did for this whole fucking thing Yeah they show that they're used to. They used to letting letting randall take between because Randall always approaches things this way and they don't have They didn't do the research he's a smart one. Okay and the and the and I mean we'll we'll get to that part but it shows how ramblers so cerebral like everything leads from the head and we finally get to see someone leaves them like different like a heart like a soul kinda thing which I thought was really cool He resisted having like with a plan. And most people. When you haven't really been confronted with this you know you're gonNA do the plan. I mean obviously a plan is better than no plants. So He's GonNa get his way most of the time. You know like in very much like well. I didn't know we were researching. You know Trials for Alzheimer's trials. And but he did. I guess he's already done the work that kind of thing and to find out what we'll get there and he didn't pay for that. Shit and he did it in the most dig way possible which is like Kevin. You've taken her to one doctor's appointment I think I know. Oh yeah a slap you through the skype Homey. So then they go to New York And Oh Last week Rebecca as Kevin because she got to his movie premiere because she's Oh man this the end of that what she told tells him. Look I know what I'm going through? I'm disliked trying to live my life to the fullest extent possible and I don't want you to feel responsible and say I want you to still feel like I want you to still make more and I was like. Yeah Oh oh. That's so beautiful lie you know what I mean. 'cause 'cause then he tops it off with like a joke or something whereas like she's like. I I WANNA go to your move from. I know I said I never want to spotlight. I never asked for stuff like that but you know I would like to go. And he's like. I don't think we can do that. And she took his mom like mom they were dating. All man like humorous. I love language so even when that kind of time you know. It's like dope that they were able to share that laugh but they go to. They ended up going to the premier together and they have like a whole day like takes shopping and she goes like this dope address and so pretty then she like and the thing is kind of unfair. Because like I'm thinking like damn that's a sixty year old woman but in real light still mainly mortgages in you know people make. Oh so I'm like of course she's fine. Okay but yeah. I definitely was like what is this. Is Angela Bassett body double with the way? Yeah she was she was. That's when I mean nothing nothing though. I wouldn't feel kind of way. Kate if my if my sixty something seventy something year old mother in look back in like addressing. I would still trying to like get together. It is absolutely absolutely kate. We see you. You come a long way because I would have been watching this. The Carpet Hayden in haagen-dazs on a on a couch like this. She always at the front of everything. They didn't take me on carbs but of course she said she just am. I allowed to laugh at that joke. yes here. We all speak of this again so then thing I will say though is funny. She went from like just like you know what I think. I WANNA walk the red carpet and I was like okay. I know you're instagram. Whatever the did the old lady chat is going to be all this week or not with. She waited for me. She was going out to the Ramirez insulting. Randall shows up and come on in or whatever. Iran does like all right man. So got us the last time you know we could talk about it there and then thank God for the fucking emotional understanding of cabinet because he ran into the style. I doubt she just wants to have one nice day. Came you not do this today. Can we just do this tomorrow? That's all I'm asking like. I'm not saying you're wrong willing to do it. Yes I just need you to wait one day and this is one. I think I'm going to be all Kevin sidelight shit where from like a random side and I was looking at the evidence I'm like I don't know is lean towards Pity now like random the Dick because He's like no problem we can. We can work this out or what you know. We could tell her tomorrow but you could see random was so anxious to diet to. Let's rip the band aid because in random. I think he sees as a solution. And why wait any longer on starting to work towards a solution but to to carry? This solution is whatever mom wants to do and today what she wants to do is have a great fucking day. This won't be. This will. Just be something. She's thinking about all the fucking time. Don't do it you know. And so he agrees not to tell her. They go to the premier Kevin's guest away for a second after introducing his mob to like you know they do movie. Talk where somebody's like. Oh my God so good I cried and I'm on PROZAC and yeah that's funny to it was such a Hollywood moment to write like I'm like these people don't know you let me tell you everything and then I got to step away for a couple of minutes. My Co stars over there and so data. Rebecca forgets that they were staying at the plaza. And she's like come up with it takes to get to it and this is when I come from me. I wonder she has more of these moments because a randall. Because he makes us all fucking narrow like he's watching it like she was good around Kevin all day and then Disney is anxious as energy and she knows that if she even has like a momentary slip like a normal human slip of. I just couldn't remember what how what the name of the hotel was isn't necessarily like this. Like World War. And he's looking at it like a hog. He's like the plans of mom the plant it's like. Yeah okay. I'll be right back guys or whatever and then he tells her look. I'm this program I was GonNa wait till tomorrow and Kevin looks across the room can see this Nigga doing it and he walks. Yes you told her dating. And he's like world she just. You didn't see when she was just had a moment and you're never here. You know I'm the one that's here. Now this shit and Kevin's lie. Look man you said tomorrow and this is like this is bullshit like what are you doing And then Rebecca's like I'll be right back or whatever she leaves And then I think they go to they. Go looking for They fight you have to call it. What so I have is now. I thought I don't think that fight happened at the end of the show. They had to fight fight. Where where we're Kevin. Those in his will not so he's like rightfully says. I'm willing to pay for all this. Okay let her have one. Good moment you. Can't you know? Handle the fastest. You can't handle the fact that I know what's best for our mother Yes what did you say guys So it was a good fight though but I was and I thought like that was going to be it but then they realize mom is missing. So they're like Oh shit and they go find her she. She tells the story about what she was a little kid. She watched the woman. Watch the painting and wanted to be that woman. One day she wanted to be a woman who was like so sophisticated put together that she just like didn't have just had our life so together she can stand for hours looking at one painting in the met and I was like that woman could have been insane. You don't know anything about that one but I get it though. He just like that was her picture of that. And she says she always put it off and be like next time next time and and I think that's so many people's lives right there. She was talking about where they'll be another time later for me to do this. And Nazis losing memory and losing things. She's time yes as she's like. Now I have I want to do it. So Rando and Kevin. I don't WanNa hear which I have to say about this. I'm telling straight up. I don't WanNa do that. That program and Kevin's like of course my whatever you want to do and then Rondos like disappointed doesn't say anything else and later. Afterwards they have a talk and another fight between Rainbow and Kevin and so I think I may be blending them together because one of them Kevin was like she wouldn't be able to do. She's hurt my movie star. Money is the thing that's making her able to flowers before. Okay so being and this one was the one where I know guys here. We go but I felt a weird type of empathy Verandah. 'cause I hadn't put it together before but now kind of can see it Randall basically says like look. I could've saved mom and you just stop me. And he was like what Kevin was like the fucking you talking about. He's like look. I wasn't able to save that. You know so you don't ever wonder what happened. Is Dead was alive? He can go back. He's like no. I like like there's nothing we can do about that and rentals like I do I think about it every day and I was like shoot. I bring yes. It makes so much sense though the anxiety. The running the fucking. I need to be a perfect person. I gotta do everything for mom. I do everything for everybody. So he basically his mind goes through this vision of him while he's talking to Kevin about how hurt he is. You know they're not even going to do this thing. And Noah's listening to him and he thinks he can save everybody in Blah Blah. They go through this. Little flashback. Where it's actually not what happened. But this alternate reality where he tells his dad if you go in there I'm GonNa go in there after you and that makes jack turn around and be like God go in there after you get your myself right number all these lies. Yes I just had a thought I just had a thought It all makes sense because that's exactly how K. Approaches things now like tell people what's going on as opposed to just passively letting it happen and so the way that he shouted at at at At Jack Get off that roof. And basically like a more heightened way. He handled literally everything everything in like. Wow yes and so like the therapy thing because you know he was self diagnosing themselves. So I'm just like the only thing you know for sure there's none of that shit you know what I mean like. It's because I care too much or whatever and you're like that's not what whatever therapy is going to be is not GONNA BE. You already figured it all out and that's why you hear so But that made me like holy. Fuck Randall actually blames himself for. His Dad explains everything. And that's why I love doing these weak acid you body because I didn't see that until we started talking about it and I'm like yeah. What is why he walked out like you? You really think your dad died because you didn't do enough and now you do too much. Where are you now? You do much for everybody all the fucking time. Dr Likes do last week. It's okay win guardless if they wanted warned not yen. He's going to do it because that saved them or it might potentially save Ryan Razi crazy. What put that together. I was like Holy Shit. This explains everything he's done. Since the moment we met this doomed or staying at my house. You're going to have cancer treatment here. You're gonNA live here now. I'M GONNA take care of all the. Oh Yeah Damn South is like if he can control things not not out of in a weird way out of a how to explain it like. It's not completely out of like a Dick. Move like yeah. He thinks he's helping by controlling everything around him and everyone's life he thinks hell he thinks he'll know the best time for his mom to date again. He thinks that because his mind he's like if I don't do somethin' as she goes out here and gets hurt or man like like then it's me is not her that fucked up is meet at though 'cause ultimately. I responsible for everyone around me. That's fucking insane. No wonder you no wonder no fucking wonder your mind. And this is something that I can relate to when it comes to like anxiety bipolar hypo mania. When your brain is having to calculate everything think that goes on around you because you have to be on high alert you gotTa make sure that everything's being taken care of a fucking course read variety of fucking Porsche one twenty miles every day like you can't. I'm actually one thing is more than just in dieting. Come out there but I wonder you know 'cause I mean clearly I mean clearly yes some breakdowns and like and not think I hope. I hope the show is trying to take us to this per. Now's like moment of clarity for him. 'cause it's like you gotta drag him to the bottom before it can truly be resolved and clearly and he's like this feels like it's getting closer to a bottom like The more he's starting to realize he can't protect everyone around him. I think is actually going to be better for him. But he's GonNa keep spiralling down until the is that moment of acceptance that you can't protect everybody man it's not really your op. That's all right And then and then when you think about it and you go back to his story. His origin story where he always talks about being. Let the the the the The firehouse he also could not control that no he is. It's like Oh my God four getting chills shows they'll fucking right and even better like He went back to save his father. That left him like. That's how that's how fucking much of a I'm Neil. I leave no one behind. I fixed everything I you know. I'm there for everybody. He is even when him being. There is a burden people. Don't need you there sometimes. It's Oh my God Oh catafalque because thank pretty smart just mentioned meanwhile this Kevin Suffer for not being there. Kevin leaned all the way into being a fuck up who's unreliable because he was there. And then when you think about the first scene when we see having the first episode we talking about the Challenger explosion another thing that he could relate to that book but another thing that he just watched. It happened and couldn't do anything about it. He leans into the powerlessness while window. Lean into into taking control of everything the show something good then I love you. Goddamn Shaw had to get rid of them other people. We didn't fuck with and we write back. Maybe okay. We talk about this every week now this week like Alan Care Episodes Man. We had so many discussions behind the scenes. Are we reviewing this anymore? What do I mean we talk? Already buys he do. We need talk about ourselves. Insecure will be back next year so glad all right. Let's get to our other segments of this could be us when you identify with I'M GONNA say I'M GONNA say Kevin. Because I think that I have the same level of emotional intelligence and he's displaying. But then I also have those moments where I'm like why stocked up already and might as well. Just keep fucking up And identify with that to an extent. Yeah I think for me in a weird way definitely a little bit of Randall's overprotective like worrying about people shit but I would never be. I don't step into people's lives and try to make decisions for them but I'm just opposing that with also Jack in New York City and here's like wanting to have it together so bad but he didn't but he liked him he wanted to appear to have it together not for his own ego but forever because he it will be calling for everyone else. If I'm the one who's focused on all the logistics and I have it together and then you didn't you needed some help and I appreciate you know the tug on the arm and he was able to let that go because that is actually a quality. I think people don't talk about enough when you are wrong. And someone tells you how and being able to let it go immediately like you right so I I try to do that. it's not as you. This ain't this ain't me Rossy Randall? Yeah Randall Yeah I get it. I understand based on this conversation we just had. I'd get more. I understand it. I empathize with it. It's still annoying. It doesn't it doesn't make it doesn't make the behavior not happen just because we understand right. It's like it's a reason not again. Yeah exactly exactly like you talk about in your book before about yet and I've disappeared on friends. I've done this. I've done that and you're like they still have desk their reality like I don't get to come back. It'd be like get out of jewelry like they're like no no so it happens sometimes. Yeah I do feel like I can't think of another person it could be if my rando so you know. I guess I would say buddy in the park. But he seemed like he just didn't know about that Horsh. It was going to be a trigger. Like yeah this too much moment. If you had anything to made you emotional like is holding it together until the scene when our teen Randall? Gal If you don't get off that roof And then he actually got I. It was so it was so perfectly done so I've seen this before he gets fired or I thought we were. GonNa go back there but when when when Jack Stop turned around and jumped off the roof. My heart like my heart felt like it was gonNA explode an instant peers kind. I can't believe they were able to get that moment after all this time. You know what I mean and especially in in the wrong in the throes of me being like fuck Randall. Piercing throw him into trash. And 'cause that was like I mean less than a minute of after him being like fuck you Kevin. It's your fault. I can't say mom I was like. Oh you nigger light. You the only person that kept your Mama. And when he got dad to come off the roof I say oh God baby please. I just WANNA hold seventeen year old range like dogs Nacho foul so not your fault God goodwill hunting is not go ahead. Cropping Rondo. Oh my God. That's it broke me down. Oh my I cry like I cry so fucking hard. I have not Clyde that this show. I've got an emotional got misty of have one tier like I felt like like it was the fire all over again just to see when he turned around and jumped off that roof. It was so fucking perfect because everything and this is another thing. I'M GONNA play. This is why I can't fucking stand tyler. Perry hold on because the level of continuity and attention to detail that took because they didn't sit in shoot at the same time they shot vigil fire. They had to recreate that shot by shot. Seen by seeing that level of attention to detail if you care about your audience and you care about what you're doing is a little rinky-dink network. Tv show and they give a fucking down about the continuity because everything up until the moment he turned around with frame by frame a requisite recreation. What we've seen before are well. I have to defend tyler. Perry here guys you guys know. This is on my gender In all fairness Tyler Perry film just things in three days. So there's not enough time for re-shoots. Okay he has one right through. No one's ever been able to just freestyler movie as fast as Tyler Perry tasks and there's a different skill set. It's like US paying boat versus like a marathon. He's about speed not not distant so yeah like He. There's a reason there's a there's a there's a rhyme and reason to terribleness and I don't watch his movies obviously but I'm just saying if you want to you know take something that normally takes people months in years to make and make it in seven days. This is what you're going to get you know. So Oh that was. That was amazing. Despite showman another moment though low key for me is fit me a little bit MC heaven staring at his mom listening to Joni Mitchell as a as an adult and like fully pulling this into like Otit I this is the like these moments matter. So much and I've been taking them for granted my whole life and then the last thing was That was another montage. Baby Jack into adult all my God. Yes and it's like. Oh Shit our because his father put fucking stupid ass like fake band. My Disney came. Stevie wonder whatever fog like. How do you like your mom when talking to your dad for weekend I leave Other segments that God? Toby doesn't take credit for that. Because it really took you not want anyone looking at your child. Take credit for him being a musician. At the end I agree all right so we have another segment. Which is this is. Ya GotTa get into your feedback on the last couple of weeks episodes. We add seven comments on episode sixty five of this too much. Wow He's done sixty five of these off the cabin Let's get your comments. Gm says toby took so long to get into a life saving mode with Jack. There was really a moment where I was like. Is HE GONNA die so he doesn't have to raise a blind child. Man That's dark. I just can't imagine this show letting that happen. That would honestly be like some. Hbo Shit Minute Though. He was really like Oh wait. No we've seen him so we know he's alive right right well. Yeah I was shook. I didn't think he was doing on private. Though that's a next level like the. He murdered his child. I had to remind myself that. We've seen a flash forward or baby Jack. That scene was really stressful. Also shout out to the casting director for finding a baby who can act right yard. He said in that but that token was so real. How did they do that? What the fuck. I don't know that baby was acting like I. I'm now scared to know what you have to do to a baby to get to know how to do that. You know choke to you. What the fuck also. I hope before to see the ads. We find out if Miguel brought the food that choke Jack feels like very important detail that should not be overlooked. Gm Let it go okay. Where where we're over the Miguel. Hey Yeah if anything if anything that Shit. Rando has gone through proves we need him again much earlier in Rebecca's life because this is out of control okay. Rebecca need to start standing up stuff like when this was like twenty and being like. I'm going to get some Dick Tonight. Okay you can watch your underwear if you want to random but I'm out so he can stop doing what he's doing now This is Malaysia. Sorry I'm late. What can I share my this could be US etc. Well you know you can so I I just WANNA say to. Madison is pregnant. I'm calling it is she. Then she will be soon. We figured out who Kevin Baby Mama is for. This could be us. I could have been toby My son choked on a refrigerator magnet when he was too. I don't know where those Heimlich Maneuvers Gil. Kane's from where he couldn't breathe. And I somehow got it out then. Took him to the doctor to see if he is a throat was okay I feel you. Toby also could have been young adult cake dating net. Fuck Nigga mark. How main haven't we all know what I was in it? I thought it was okay. Not until looking back at those situations in my thirties. Sem that his antics had nothing to do with me or that. I didn't call them. This of course is March ask. I didn't crowded episode but this too much too much moment was when he started acting plan with his adorable son that made my heart smile and when they played the tape recorder and actually heard their father's voice at the all that time that kind of brought them back together. I'm looking forward to seeing Rando. Get some therapy and I really WANNA know why they mad at Rainbow. I hope we find out what his season is. Also looking forward to see if my theory about Madison the cameras right and if he finally finds what he's been looking for her thanks. Y'All oh my God. Sorry I don't mean crap don't do what is. Rando like takes Rebecca to the trial now telling the rest of the kids. Oh my God no that would also explain while Rebecca is at their fortieth and not with him. Listen okay like I would understand if you had to whip his ass I would. I would have to understand better night. I don't know what he's going to do. But you know some terrible like that. Because I don't think what we saw. This week was enough for them to like straight up speaking to each other. Yeah and also well I mean I'm being real. It was when I say that shit about but but the way Kevin took it didn't feel like enough but what he said was enough like I would've locally understood of Kenwood pies him in the face and be like I'm fighting my brother street again. I guess we don't but Actually it was hurtful wait. I could've saved mom. You stopped me. What it yeah. Oh chemists so mature now because he said well. I'm sorry. Feel that way and I'll see you Danielle boy. The program is working okay because you could have anything. What a comment anywhere right. Then that would have been like. Oh I'll just do it. That's how bad it was. I would've understood it. I was like Oh that's fucked. Oh Kevin but he was acting like if you were like the Carolina Snoop Dogg. Can I call one? Is it okay about calling him one? Oh I don't do don't man. That's a great point bossy thanks. Charlotte can't wait for the next episode. Alicia thank you Alicia. Hey Ron and BLASIO's from trae this show this show this show my God. The writers have been doing an amazing job in the last episode of season. I absolutely love the parallels into awesome parenting Jack and Rebecca did in this episode respectively. Speaking with Jack with Rondo and Rebecca with Kevin and now we kind of see why Randall and Kevin. Begin to fight with each other as it relates. Rebecca's care. Yeah Oh also like they really are showing us. Rebecca and Kevin is like relationship the last few weeks When we were younger we didn't get enough of those moments in other seasons. Kate and Jack and Randall and Rebecca Right. Maybe Keeton Rebecca Hating each other like her hating rebecca like we never really got like how Kevin really feels about his mom often. I'm so glad Oh even even when they were When they were lost in Queen and Kevin was like data fixit. That'll take care of it. Always always leaning towards trying to get Jack's approval and attention and looking to Jack And it was the first time we've seen Kevin like you're right. You're right and also him low key leading Jack Auto Labor right like you know and I think Randall filling that void. He policies like. Yeah Randall do it you know. I'm so glad therapy and I absolutely loved it. They Pass Pamela Adlon to play his psychiatrist. She's GonNa tell Rando exactly what he needs to here by himself. He's saying so. It's like apprentice thing or like Disney everything. He does so several. He thinks he can reverse engineer therapy. Yes hopefully he can deal with his fear of abandonment issues which are valid in a healthy way. Now and his need to overcompensate to try to be perfect all the time. Your family won't leave you if you're not perfect randall. So chill out man but finding out that's why I ran the runs this show. Is this show okay in c? I tell Ya Madison was a good friend she. We Don t madison over here. We was actually yeah. We won't medicine. We were to be fair. We were earlier on Madison and we were on K. Was backing them. As in the parking there girl is nice. She much nicer to she leaves no purpose. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen. Woman comes longer come such a long way more but he says she was ready to kill that Crossfield bitchy. Yes Madison. She really is a genuine Franco and love that about her. Please let her be. Kevin Future live on everything. Please let it be so. Ll Yeah I do realize I love for Madison at this. Point is now just about trying to get her selfie picture and all it is Yup and you know I I'll take it. That's all I was GONNA say I'll take it. Oh I was watching On the block on the slot on our block. Whatever on Netflix and It was over and they started playing this other movie or or show right off after it and I was like. Oh like not enough. Lexus show dead. Everybody hated her in that. Show too like that. Women just got a bad tracker man. I have just a party pigs. I guess you got one of them. Faces but yeah. It's so funny because I really do genuinely like Madison but like I. The only time I've ever really ship turn. Kevin has always been with me. Going was long as no fucks. Lovie IF YOU'RE GONNA lie if you're going to go white blonde woman then you go. That's the nearest bike zoe number. Yes number one okay. You're fucked data medicine. We don't go back to Soviet. Ever know he goes on to say. Toby. Toby still trash though like Bra. It took your kid almost choking for you to give a shit about him. Get the fuck Outta here. He diabetic is episode. But he's still trash. Ll thanks again riding bikes Avid Goodwin and trace Lendu. Thank you try. Yeah I guess at this point you just wonder if wanted him and can't get divorced future. Whatever confirmed they got divorced we can. I just assumed it because he was like sitting in that room own in our room by itself. But you know what you right? They don't necessarily mean Shit. This show they absolutely right that out to be like and they still together. Whatever because you know you're right 'cause I'm not spending another season because I've got a whole season Rebecca and I mean K. I mean Beth and Randolph broke up. I thought I was like Oh so they clearly got divorced and then they owed me out so nope I'm good. Is this feedback this from? You've I guess what you want. It is heroin Bazi question. Tom Lies. Did y'all figure out the ages. Time machine travel timelines yet. How Old Auto Big Three in the future? When Rebecca is in the new cabinet that thirty nine forty years. Now a Rebecca's supposed to be what late sixties seventies because future tests. Looks like she pay her rent grown ass. He was social work in that baby. Is he coming back to any time lines and I forgot about that baby? I'm mad again. And they were so adorable ever Beck already sees elder ish now. So she doesn't does. He ended up living longer prospering. I think so does Miguel make it to the future. Can't remember he was present for the previous episodes. I don't remember either. Could they could always Dan. Okay could they put that? Maybe Jacqueline the future in a different time. I- altogether what's going on here. what's going on Love the show Yvonne Well I'm going to be honest. I don't answer any of these. So Nikki was there Kevin Child was there. Kevin Child was like ten or yeah. He couldn't have been more than ten but they all looked older than fifty. No they might have been fifty. And that means that What's her name? The BECCA was in her eighties. She was twenty eight when the twins were born which means they turned fifty. There were six hundred sixty eight so yeah I mean to me is like all seem plausible to me like like. She could live that long. Like I don't think she's like whatever LAUDERDA- like they're forty now. Yeah so they're like forty now she's sixty eight. I mean she to like ninety. She's in great. You know So What it'll be really funny is if we get into this season. We find out that shitting Alzheimer's she fine. I'll be mad as hell empire. I'm dying for me I'M NOT GONNA make it may and I'm like this Dr Jo- going it was just a bad case of gas. Oh okay me. I'm like good doctors nerve friends. Like just take two of these and you'll be fine fuck that anyway. let's see. Brie Brie rights and Hayao does maybe long so. Sorry I wrote this all out. And then the screen refreshing. I probably flip my lid before returning to this page retype everything recast of the show are great. Rodney Bossy. You both amazingness so insightful. Thank you thank you. I know you are not here for toby but kind of here for it. I'm like this very real version of parenthood that is not always shown after proud upon toby already is prone to depressive episodes and struggle to deal with the reality of a child with different abilities. Everyone is not able to just jump on board and make it work like hey is like I like seeing Kobe. Toby struggle pushing through. I don't think this is the end of their marital woes style. I think ace the needs address. Our EMOTIONAL AFFAIR FOR GREG NEXT DOOR. I what Also who I mean. That's a lot. I don't think that's an emotional affair yet. I feel like we like. I'm not saying they're not friends but it's got to go further than that. Like just maintain even touch her hand. Yeah come on. Y'All women can have friends like what is this also wondering what ever going to get a future. Mark appears done done done it. They can't yeah ridiculous at this point. Yeah Yeah that makes us show up. No no like forty year old mark. We better not be so empire. Lash Queen Sugar. They did so shit like this show up like David Alexander. Moving all quite quite well which itself. Yeah okay don't do that please. Uh-huh oh my God. All I Tel Aviv. Ova need this show man so on there was something else you brought up and I can't remember. Oh I you know I will give you credit. You're right. This is the kind of shape they don't show on. Tv With Toby. Having to buy into his child quote on quote. And I think just position with Kate who we saw just struggled through life period and then basically once you wanted to get pregnant and out she just. Kinda like grew up embossed up. Yeah it is easier for me to look at Toby. Like you seem to be the one that can handle things. And you're fucking up and this is all your fault but you know. I didn't really think of in front of the perspective of a man Dylan who deals with depression. I know he dig off his meds. Score Awhile Um and now he's back on them but I don't know how you know how shit vicious magically like you're you're better yeah yeah. Yeah you're right you're right. He's dealing with a lot too and I just. I think he can do better. We all know that. And he's trying to do better and it makes sense to allow him to do better but I'm at the same time. We can be disappointed in the fact that he was so fucked up about it. I in in one of the things that I I realize about me. Watching the show is that there are certain things that I take based out with the TV show. They need drama. They need conflict and then there are other things that I feel like as I feel the normal person watching that make sense like like in real life I would allow a man the grace to be to have a hard time and struggling with A special needs child. I in real life. I would absolutely do that on the show. I don't do that because of the way it's set up like we're supposed to feel this way so I feel that way. And then as opposed to like with the way we talked about Randall. The way we talk about Kevin where we take. I'll realize experiences as though they're real people toby to me is less a real person. Then Kevin Randolph. If that makes us it does all the treasury characters trying to get that and I feel like the only reason. We really probably read more into bathroom. They intended us because she's a black woman right. Like yeah we. We've been in life experiences as black people that maybe the show's not trying to get like they're like what what. Why are we gotTA show you? How how many were has to know who cares about this because we definitely like. Where's Toby's brother like? We don't give a fuck. So yeah you're right. We maybe maybe that's why we treat him that way but at the same time. I'm not saying you're wrong person wrote in. That's those are those are very valid points. And maybe the show will address. That so aren't a randall. Yes quite annoying. How long it took him to be ready for their but if he gone before but if he had gone before he was ready then it wouldn't stick which we will see in the next episode. Y'All hit the nail on the head about random control issues and belief that he is the glue that brings his family together without allowing other people to get their shit together. I wrote about random issues being a parent of parents by child in a blog. Post here no need to mention it on the show on the next week. I'm licensed therapist Susan to be had Dr Hashtag Black Magic and I love hearing. Y'All discuss the mental health aspects of the show also Boston. Your book is amazing and I recommend to my professor to put on their required reading lists for our diagnose. Aw thank you Listen we appreciate okay. Y'All really aren't doing the most I and we thank you appreciate that. Thank you if you're on the website the blackout dot com. You can look in the comments for episode sixty five the cabinet and she does have a link to her website. Abou- Randall Pearson. And the parents of the parrot defy child now a lot of parents five means is that like a is that a different way for a da bid or like. I don't know there might be some new. I think I think it means a child to takes on the roles and responsibilities apparent day of that make says he did do that So future predictions. I mean correct me if I'm wrong. I think that's what it chat rooms. Y'All know y'all smart. Let us know. That's wrong so future predictions. I do think Kevin's backstory slash lesson about finding something else to love does lend itself to Kevin. Madison ended up together. However I think there is something to be said about the trauma by having together I think it will be difficult for Kevin to be with someone who never knew his dad just like it will be hard for sophie to be with someone who never knew her mom who knows. I also think Kate. Emma are dead in the future. We have not seen kate in the future. We saw flash forward to indices and to toby was depressed and random was call him encouraging him to come somewhere in the most recent flash forward. We saw toby and no kate but he's called Jack and they were on their way. I think this day is Jack. And his new. This is US good for The BAYTON switch. Oh whoa Mind that wind up back. Okay so say we saw flash forwarded indices and we're told me was depressed and Randall was calling him encouraging him to come somewhere in the in the most recent flash before we toby and no k well he said he out Jack and they were on their way. I think the day is Jack and his new. Not like okay got. I thought it was. I thought she was talking about the Fast Ford. Or the the the remake of of Randall's life I thought she meant that Jackson. Rebecca were no longer married. Oh sorry yeah let's Well you know saying they were all no way. Maybe Jack's dating and Non Binary Person I've thought about that. This show is this is as good. No that would be on brain. All right. This is us is go for the Bait and switch and the story has been to clear this season. They are setting us up for hold on sorry remember. How Lena was randomly. Oh Yea what was that about? I can't remember what role mostly moved on to the pet shop when When Kate was getting audio the dog yeah man what happened there. Luther Read I. I don't know why that pop in my head guy. Yeah now it was cool because you like you know I named my dog after the film's Quentin Tarantino. Unlike the rest of these blacks dog kill Bill. let's see. This is good for the baby switch. Da Da Oh and the story is being cleared as season. They are setting us up for the family getting back together way in the future sea sick family member at showing us as Rebecca however I think is a two part flash forward and eventually we will get to see Rebecca's last days but I unfortunately we will see K. As one they're getting ready to see really what outing we'll have some health. Complications accident does mark. Come back. Who knows Oh man and Martin back and kill okay. I'm just GONNA start watching the show. That's crazy yeah. I can't anyway show looking forward to the next one breath. Yeah see the the issue with the Marcia. Is that bill anything to give us like a reason to be like? Oh my God just do. Markets are ever present threat and doubt that will be like scandal. Maybe somebody like running their car in the West in the middle of the street like why is having no? It doesn't make question about the fast forward. We seen everyone that we need to see in the room together. Live in Kevin's cabin house. I don't remember the kids are they. 'cause is it possible for them because I don't remember either. Is it possible for them to do the things that we saw with the show? Good girl did it. when Rebecca last for Thanksgiving and she showed up at the door and then they opened the door and it was two different doors are being opened. Yeah they do yeah. They've done it before so I mean it's possible. They could do something like a swerve like that. You know they're always looking for new swerve so I mean as possible but but at the same time older we saw older Tevin. Open the door and get out of the car. You didn't see him enter the house or seeing him right back with anybody who was already in there right so I have no idea. They could be doing exactly what she's saying. Two DIFFERENT FLASH FORWARDS AT THE SAME TIME. And you know so. Yeah I I don't know I you know guys. I'm just along for the ride like y'all you know periods. Hey Ron and Bossy I'm always behind. So thanks for bearing with me. This is from D. Just a quick observation house Randall. Getting these ways but we never see him to do ray. We always see Beth Ann girls but never seen right on the DO RAG. Rennebach great point. Great Joke these are the questions that need to be asked okay. Because we're not. They're not this is why people come to us all right. That's a great point and hopefully writers. I know I'll listen to show. Let's go ahead and get them in a couple of times Rain on a do rag would look so fucking funny to me. Just random like going to the grocery store and like one of those take tops white beater looking tank top things and the do rag by like a couple of black miles like he'd been philly too long. League Adam. I really love the cabinet. It was so well written it. Kinda like whoever was writing. The first season came back around this episode. My favorite part was three listening to Jack's tape. It was the first time we see Jack. And they're out three in the same room. Seeing Kinda I really enjoyed it actually. Tear it up a little bit. What I didn't like was marked. Not Getting his ass kicked the asking. You deserve tea and Kevin D randle Kevin on my new favorites. I really enjoy how much they act like Justin Sterling. They have their mannerisms down sometimes. It's kind of Iraq. How much they liked the liked them they are I agree. Yeah when they looked at each other at that table when they were arguing. The reaction phases for Sterling K. Round and whatever and Kazan hardly say those were there vases. He's like well. Maybe mom isn't a grown woman who can decide what she wants to do. And it is like reaction shot. I'm like damn this study Sterling K. Brown yeah yeah I really annoyed it to maybe token for Kobe to come around. I'm I'm I mean. I'm really traumatized by seeing that baby. Choke I have tyler and that was really very real fear. I hate it. I knew Toby Kate would be fine. The gesture was nice and whatnot. Random watching him therapy gave me anxiety. He finds fall in everything. And it's nerve wracking also very relatable to me. I hope he keeps going and I'm so happy Beth was honest with Rando. I was worried a bottle of wine was going to fall out of her cute. They really have a word with Islamic. Y'All yeah every week. That's how much random errors like man. He'll make her the alcoholic and we can't even blame. It was fun to see. Rebecca Kevin have a day together. Pass the president. Yang cabinet really was proud of himself for that mediocre report. On your feet with those grades. Smugness I kid. I'm here for Zadie. Kevin Thank Riding Bossy. D You know the real question becomes what else could have fallen out of that party. That would have surprised us for like if she would've had a gun. You Know Ardy let you look in my purse. Fucking bowie knife falls out because rainbow. I carry a bowie knife with me every way because I am scared all right. Oh okay somebody let us email went to so let me. Oh we got a couple of email. Glad I check this re-route another one. Hey friends as always love your show and your this is US reviews if anyone was interested in examination therapy and what is should be like. I wrote a post about it through the lens of this us. I have some information about how to find a therapist out. Entira match view. I am team Madison. But she is an amazing friend and such a great friend. The K I also obtain Kevin. I know y'all hated his journey through the woods and the story with Nick Child Abuse Army girl but it was so important for his character development of he just started acting more responsible reasonable out of nowhere. We would not have believed it for yourself. I would have believed it team. Kevin since the beginning right Miozzi maintain Kevin waiting for these johnny-come-latelies. All right what. Everybody was upset and mad all the white man with someone's privilege. I was like go get some growth in the fourth. We are the dominant team Kevin. Okay he was a problematic white man. We were still up. You're going for that man so they didn't have to take him through nothing okay. We would have defended. I also hear Toby parent in his heart and we always want to believe people just have something clicked for them and it works out immediately. And it's not like that for everyone. I worked with infants at pregnant Mazda. C This A lot. People don't seek help or support because they're afraid of being judged finally of Finally of course team but I mean I'm going that's best relatable to me. I had the same like I'm not. I'm not a naturally maternal person. I have learned a lot of things. So that's definitely definitely relatable unrealized but on television. Toby can take right right And maybe trying to do that. You know I'm not you know but Yeah he was he was gone he was doing real bad. I haven't fares and all kinds of shit sneaking around looking up surgeries child. I can't get over that. He wasn't talking about it Farley of course team Beth. She is always voice reason in Iraq. Wranglings annoying that. He does not appreciate that in her. I would love to see more her backstory if they do it this us been off just about Beth and random growing up. I watched that Thank you all for the work. You put in for the show as always thoughtful entertaining. Much love briefly. Lpc Not a doctor yet to go well. Hey you're a doctor. As far as I'm concerned you I hear writing about everything he doing one. And we're doing okay Lastly this one FAMO- Kim Doc. I believe he says. Hey Bostian Rod really fortunate for this show is truly. Am I escape that there'd be tremendous I love how they're framing Rebecca losing her memory and creating a tapestry. I think the biggest loss for her are the memories. They've explored with light La Partnership and parenting with Jack. I feel like she's GonNa love loss through death but loving that love losing that love again. That's our memory slips away. I find that so breathtaking worried about how they're going to incorporate Melita Omar EPPs. Did you stay that way? On purpose of fibrous. She's old Martin L. D. I mean it makes sense so I'm just saying And then I actually forgot about them right. I was like me who the fuck. Yeah Bet brought up me days on up in her room talking to me on the phone I was like. Oh yeah that's right. That was unfortunate that happened or the city council stuff that feels like filler compared to the heavy hitting story of Big Three Sad. Three blessings to all DOC You have to agree like I don't. I'm starting to like what was the point of all that shit in the beginning. Because I don't care I've never cared about the councilman thing but we now not only do. I not care about it but we're not talking about any more. You could do all that for us not to like not to have like any. I mean it would be boring anyway. I guess that's fine. Yeah I didn't want them to keep going so I'm good. I don't know how they're going to incorporate them into the show but this is about the right level where you know what I'm saying like. Yeah this kind of not. Even secondary tertiary quartered like level placement in the script. Like they're kind of in the background. Doing Shit I like that more than where we going now. That being said During the Randall centric episodes. I don't mind them popping in but when we're Kinda doing broad story strokes about the big three and Rebecca. Yeah I don't I don't WanNa see all those people in it. You know I I would like to see Omar at because Randall owes him an apology. Or yeah pulling therapy. Yeah yeah unfortunately that means I probably talk about some of that city council shit. I don't care about. They stay reimbursing. I'd Ring Ring Zoning Shit Barns but did you requisition zone for a new shopping center. I don't care I don't care let's get to the last segment. Where are you looking forward to? What about us? What are you watching next week? I'm a hundred percent looking forward to what's in alternate realities are And I and I I watch it like. Is it just an episode of that or do we see a sleep? We're talking to his therapist about what he reimagined. Because if he's the one who's talking to someone about what he thinks what happened then of course will be there. Of course like you know Deja and all these other things would be there even though in real life if they if David that's not his name if rental no Jack had died he probably would've been in. Dc He might have met best in DC but so many other things it would be too much it would be to fairy tale like if he still needs the best still married her. If it's just a thing that we're imagining so I hope for Tim talking about it. If that makes you know what I mean yeah positioning. Miami was the one who has to create it then. I would see all that stuff happening so yeah. Did he have a white woman? We can have that guys okay. It would be headed chick Parents wouldn't let them come in for Bigger bag is okay. Need to keep the trauma off of the show so for me. Yeah same everything he just said. I just looking forward to work Randall. Life would be like if he didn't try to become the fucking glue for the family and the in charge of his mom and all that stuff. I really do wonder I wonder if he'd be like happier right. You'll have I mean he's even GonNa meet She's GonNa meet What's his name William earlier right so he might not have any issues honestly unless or William would still be a a a drug addict. Well they could do that thing. I like and I like So I watch a lot of. Cw Comic Book Shows Right. And I like when they do this they do the alternate time line thing and they kind of do something similar where it's like well. If this one event didn't happen how would it affect us? This person's life right and what I like about that is that they always circle back to just have different problems. But you'd have problems. And now that's what I want to see. An if that would be the breakthrough for Randall's character is your in your mind. You think there's a perfect life out there where everything's fine and it's not the truth you're going to just a different way. So that's what I'm looking forward to it. I haven't watched the flash in a couple of seasons but I definitely liked when they used to do that. Yeah like you know you're right you know it's like it's a little bit groundhog day or whatever but I kind of like when they're like 'cause I think in my brain and this is why I kinda Rando a little bit. I do have these moments where I can't get past something that happened in like why did not do something different. And I get stuck there but it's such a bad place to get stuck because it's the one place you can't change. I mean it may have sounded a little callous but Kevin was right when he said I never think about that. 'cause like what the fuck are you supposed to do? You know the thing you can't change your obsessing over and that makes Randall makes so much more sense to me so I kinda like the idea of of him possibly trying to do these things in his mind going through this exercise and being like well. Then I wouldn't have met Beth and had my girls like yeah. That's not I know. Well I relate to that too because I up until like very recently I used to go back to being on tour death poetry. Had I left had I not gotten sick? I like all those different things. I definitely relate to that And how you can get stuck in that record so I hope yeah. I definitely hope that they show The different problems he would have is different and the number Jack had that heart thing. It wasn't just because of the fire right and had that heart saying you can do different way. Yes Dan now Yup Yup man that so yeah I would love to see that and they do show him like getting into flash forward or what they show like Jack being a little bit older like yeah you know like opening the door to house or something random like odor but yeah. I'm anyway maybe you made a great point. It could just be like a therapeutic exercises something and that's how we're going through it. It's not an actual thing that's happening. This is what I pick my life being like so yeah. I hope that honestly and next week. We're not getting another five. There's two there's two episodes left and their next was next week and then once a week after the finale so yes yeah at least what. I was looking at And I it was weird because I saw. I don't know we'll do you. Don't watch the commercials during the I fast forward through them so they had a commercial car like God. I'M GONNA take this obey. But his group of Dads Club of Dad's all my God. This is a million dad's shit. Yeah okay human saw Pete in the voice of the ad guys like God. It begins at the finale of business and I was like what the fuck is that. Y'All say they should assume So yes it sounds like is going to be sown so I saw that commercial. I was so annoyed. This is a million little dad. Why why are y'all? There's so many shows that are trying to push. This is us like like narrative they do it in such a holloway. Like I've completely stopped hate watching A million little things but I do check in because I just like I'll I'll read when people are tweeting about it And I was like they're just doing the same shit and it's like you're really trying to recreate the this is US model without the the bones and the heart of this. Is that like it's ridiculous. I feel like there's a world where somebody is like watching a little DADS or whatever ambien like this is US fucking circus man like this. This is the real shit over here man like this way. Trae as mega you know just like. Oh y'all still watch and that Sterling K. Brown and his acting a desert you into I guess from happening over here listening to a real black man okay. Jay Augusta's Richards is delivering us. Giving us the real shit like all right man. Well that's it for this episode Bossy. It was great talking to you. Know it's been a couple of weeks and you know the Koran of is getting everybody held up and stuff at people are really been asking about this episode. We're going to do and where we did. Guys I hope you happy stocked up on toilet paper and stuff and hopefully we can review the next to like the weekday. Come out but we'll see what the time is like and stuff And then I was. GonNa say oh. An insecure returns in like April. I think April twelfth is one of them walk. Yeah so you know I will. I'll sleep able to review that one too because I I located been really waiting for insecure to come back. That's my that's my shit. So our guys. That's it can wait. Are you guys about condoms and talk to you guys about random next week until then you guys make sure you guys right into the show the blackout. Go DOT COM or go to the black guy who tips dot com leave comments on. This is too much episodes. We'll read them on the show for your feedback and that's it so we'll talk to you guys later piece.

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72nd Annual Primetime Emmys

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72nd Annual Primetime Emmys

"Sometimes, our food is more than just food. It's part of our community. So this year discover is giving five million dollars to support black owned restaurants to places like Rodney Scott. Barbecue. Post Office pies, and hundreds more learn how you can show your support at discover dot com. Software radio is a special operations military grade podcast hosted by a team of combat veterans. We're an unbiased source for frontline military news and behind the scenes war stories. We've interviewed the infamous seal team, six skilled snipers, clandestine operatives, and so many more listen to. Radio every Friday on the iheartradio APP, apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Today's entertainment news from the Black Information Network. Be I N. The seventy second prime time Emmy award nominees were announced yesterday. Here's some of the nominees insecure. This is US blackish pose little fires everywhere. Best actor in a drama Sterling K. Brown for this is us, billy porter for post best actress in a drama in. Daya. For Euphoria outstanding actress in a limited series. Carrie. Washington. For years, everywhere, Regina King Watchmen. Octavia. Spencer self made. Outstanding lead in a comedy series. Don cheadle. For Black, Monday? And Anthony Anderson for blackish outstanding lead actress comedy. Array for insecure. Did I say the Primetime Emmy Awards right? An. Awful. Lot of African Americans. This is. Really okay. This is not Man. Check myself. Okay. This is okay primetime. One, maybe two exactly stay because you used to call them the themis remember that. Remember that. Yeah. Outstanding talk show the daily show with Trevor Noah outstanding guest anchor comedy series. Eddie Murphy for Saturday night live. Yes. For the first time and it seventy one year history. Black actresses dominate the category for lead actress in a limited series or movie Carrie, Washington Octavia, Spencer, and Regina King Okay for real. The seventy second Primetime Emmy Awards. Okay. fantasy. Not to be. T award. Just saying sold train Anyway. They're means didn't want no backlash. None. Okay It's going to be held in a virtual ceremony hosted by Jimmy Kimmel on September twentieth on ABC. Wild. Yes, it's very good. All these people out handing Eddie. Murphy was outstanding on. Saturday night live. Yeah. Spencer. self-made about. Madame CJ Walker. Excellent. Excellent. Movie S Yes. Yes. With Blair Dryer. Everywhere looks good too. Yes, it's. Got Me watching that that. So good. Yeah. You guys have me watching that one too. Yes. I, mean, just insecure as my show. Array I love this show. So talented. Yeah. So congratulations to all of the. Nominees, and Wow. Secure Eight, the movie is. No. Comedies. The Bio pic. No. On Tommy No. HBO. Girl, gone into US thought. Randy Raquel Robinson. She plays Isa raise mom on show. Bone. Isa, Ray went to went to Wendy's school when she. She. Amazing. Talk about. Full circle coming. I, mean, the thing about this is that everyone we named is so talented I mean done cheeto come on, I'm watching it now black. Black Monday, he's good with Regina Hall. Trevor Noah is, is funny on his show, the daily show, I mean just so many to show right there. Yeah. You'd love that show Sierra. Funny Have you on their Steve? Yeah. Well, again, congratulations, we will be watching September twentieth on ABC time now st for today's headlines Ladies Ladies and Gentlemen Miss. An trip. Thank you very much everybody this and trip with the news. The trump administration reportedly plans to turn down all new applications for Dhaka or deferred action for childhood arrivals. Program Daca of course is the Obama era program that blocked the deportation of immigrants who were brought here illegally by their parents through no fault of their own kids, a trump administration official has told reporters that while the administration will continue renewing Daca status for the six, hundred, forty thousand, or so current dreamers it. It will only be for a year and not two years which has been the case on the the Obama Administration when they instituted it, US attorney, General, William Bar was on Capitol Hill testifying before the House Judiciary Committee yesterday months after Democratic lawmakers asked him to bar defended the president use of federal agents to put down civil unrest resulting from black lives. Matter protests on rest which locals like Portland's Oregon's port loggins. Mayor says has actually been made much worse because of the. The way the feds have handled demonstrators bar did at least acknowledge that the quote brutal police murderer of Mr. George Floyd, and I'm quoting him jar the whole country and forced us to focus on longstanding issues which obviously relate to the relationship between law enforcement and the African American community. He didn't say you're going to do anything about how bar diverted the conversion, the conversation when asked why the president sent no troops in early this year when white men armed and wearing swastikas. Swastikas. Stormed a government building the United Nations by the way human rights offices issuing a stern warning to the United States of having to do with how the black lives matter protesters are being treated. The UN is voicing concerns about what they see as a disproportional force against protesters and journalists as their quote involved in the anti systematic racism protests across the country and especially condemn practices like the police officers and other law enforcement covering up their badge numbers while they assault people. President trump has signed a memorandum that for an unprecedented change Jesu included in the census count and who is not scholars say the constitution says account is to include every person in the US is the fourteenth amendment, but Donald Trump wants to change that he wants unauthorized immigrants to be excluded. Expect some legal action behind that. Here, we go. Again, there is video out there of a white woman in Santa Barbara California. She's calling the police on Latino man who asked her for her insurance information after their vehicles were involved in mind fender bender in a supermarket parking lot. He stopped. 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Frozen 2: How Dark Is Too Dark for Disney? - Movie Talk

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Frozen 2: How Dark Is Too Dark for Disney? - Movie Talk

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And also check out the thousands of comics just added up on your favorite series, including crypt on season one and watch animated movies like reign of the superman. Join a DC universe dot com seven billion humans on earth. Can't all like the same drink. That's why circle K has pulled their pop in foster, take your flavors and make that one in seven billion mix just right for you fuller pop processor, just seventy nine cents. Each circle K, limited time only at participating locations. Welcome back for a brand new episode of movie talk today, we got a brand new frozen to trailer. We're going to break down for you right now. And then on top of that, we are also discussing this Sesame Street news. I've never been so excited to talk about Sesame Street because apparently Bo Burnham is involved now. And yeah I'm a little too thrilled about that. And I'm also shockingly thrilled about the story. Details for that movie that we've had. So we are going to get into it today. And we are some very lucky folks today because not only do we have Koi here as always on a Tuesday. But Luke who has made his movie talk return. It is Mark freaking riling. Thank you very much. Today. I love this perfect because we're talking Sesame Street. No, I'm just bracing. You're right now when we get into Sesame Street with this guy just. Yeah. Hold on tight for sports for food talk. This just show goes places are strange dark. Vitale your something is the representation of I think the ID and the ego of the human psyche before. Early control yet again. It will happen at the end of the episode. But right now, we've got to kick things off with this frozen to trailer because we already got that short teaser trailer. And now this next trailer dropped, and I was antecedent in a more story heavy trailer. I know we've got a little ways to go until the November twenty second release of the movie. But I was a little surprised that this felt a little more atmospheric and moody and intense. So guys what was your first impression of this frozen to trailer today? Yeah, I was expecting more story, but everything beautiful. The animation is absolutely gorgeous. I love the, the music arrangement. I loved that they brought that, that first song that opened up the original frozen kind of incorporated in there. But, you know, I did I wanted a little bit more. But at the same point I kind of get it we're November's as you mentioned, a pretty far away. So the there's plenty of time for all the you know. Third trailer. You know, the eighteen TV spots, and, you know, some live musical that's going to go down Hollywood Boulevard. So I'm sure we're going to get a lot of stories stuff. But this this came around. I really I ended up liking a lot actually the, the atmosphere as you again, mentioned and just get little bits and pieces that are all our characters are back together and they're going on some adventure. So, you know, I can't wait to take my niece to this. I think this was a great counter programming trailer. I think that everyone that was going to see frozen is already gonna see frozen the I think this was a trailer for people that work. Sure they were gonna see frozen because I like frozen, but I'm very neutral on it. This trailer has me more excited because it was silence Feerick. So I kind of liked that they leaned out instead of leaning in everyone that's gonna see frozen opening night is already in for your movie. You don't need to make a trailer for them. You need to make a trailer for meet people like me that are more like, maybe I'll see it in two weeks. Maybe they'll see three into the run this trailer with it's stunning cinematography. Yeah. Insane visuals that water. Looked real that water look like a cascading like wave and I really liked that. It didn't lean into the song and dance of frozen one because that's already there. We know that's coming. I didn't know that. I'd be interested in the following of the world that it, no. It'd be invested in like the tone and the flavor. This looks great. And I think it shows the confidence they have in their billion dollar enterprise frozen has the gumption to be like, we'll do what we want so interesting to hear that perspective. Because I am a die-hard Rosen fan. I really loved that first film. And I've been looking forward to this when ever since they announced it and, you know, coming from the perspective of someone who's not, not a fan but not as intense as I am. Let's say I like it's interesting because I can't quite put a finger on what would make this appeal to a wider audience than isn't already a hardcore frozen family. I was wondering what your take was on just like the darker feeling in the intensity of it? Is there something about that in this trailer versus what we experienced in the first film that kind of? Pulls you and more one hundred percent because it's not escalation in sequels is always the hard part, right? Like we have to do a similar feel of movie while building it. So there's a purpose verdict. Existing also not, sacrificing the integrity of the film, so you need to change something, and I think, changing it from light to dark as a way to do that, and make that your first trailer to be like, hey, this isn't just a retelling. It's not a rehashing and I think the darkness cells that without having to be like pandering. So the question now is how dark can they actually go with this? Because in my mind it does make sense for them to up the intensity a little, especially when you consider the first movie came out in twenty thirteen. And whether they're looking to bring in new movie goers, or not the young children out there who fell in love with that movie. They are now a little older. And I wonder if what we're seeing here is also geared towards that core group of the fandom, basically aging, the material, along with them the that, that's a good point Perry. I mean, I think you need to let it go let it go. I can't believe that, that called us off guard. Scouting. At some point, you know, maybe do you want to build a snowman. I don't know. This. Alice's right, there made me want to build a snowman you prior five degrees. Really? Five in here so well, but to, to everything you're mentioning the darkness. Yeah, I think it's a great point that their aging it up. And it reminds me when you're saying that about Harry Potter as Harry Potter started getting older, and that fan base started with Sorcerer's Stone started to get a little older by the time we got prisoner basketball on little bit dark, and I would love that. And maybe that's also pulling in some of the adults are like, do I have to hear let it go again? Eighteen sing, you know eighteen times in this. But that this I really responded to some of the more fantastical elements like what happened under water. There were all of a sudden, this weird kind of horse in kind of appeared is almost calling to her. I liked that I if we're getting a little bit more, you know, deeper with Elsa enter powers. That's what's getting me more excited if she's going on this journey, and then what are her friends doing in this, so yeah, I I'm hoping they embrace it a little bit to age that up as as I was saying, and as you were saying because I think that could really help give. Some layers, you know, you know, going off of that Harry Potter, referenced I made that as it started getting darker and getting a little bit. Dr more involved with the characters that's where I started respond a lot more. I think the mythology is in the thing that interests me most. And I think that the trailer doesn't show anything we expected and trailer. I think the point of the trailer is to go, like, I remember them. I like them. I want more with a dash of intrigue, but no story for this early of a trailer. So I always want my trailers to just be like, remember how much you love this, and here's something new, and that's, that's all this was for me through him through, and I'd forgotten how much I liked the first frozen, I was with more casual but I feel like I can't, I can't believe those six years ago, because I just got those songs out of my head, and this trailer dot trailer. Trailer reminds me that I appreciated them and that there's more story to tell them invested. I'm so caught in the middle between really liking what I saw this trailer because there was nothing not to, like, in this trailer. But having all those boxes that I just wanted to take a fan. I just wanted concrete information to walk away with, and I wanted to see a little bit of sterling K Brown and Evan, Rachel Wood's character. So. Yeah, they're. Newest ones added to the voice cast. And I'm just I'm just curious. To learn more about their need another trailer at all uniquely. Poster of sterling K Brown holding the word frozen. I am. Certainly yes. Also, this was the anti Toy Story trailer for me choice story made me remember that I liked the characters, but also made me feel like I didn't need more of them, Toy Story was, hey, I like that toy box. I don't want them to mess it up by opening. And I'm excited to see Toy Story, I'm going to, but I'm seeing it because it's a Toy Story movie, not because of the trailer. I might not have seen frozen opening weekend that this trailer sold me. So it's the opposite Toy Story. So even though we're not live right now because there were some YouTube streaming issues. We do have some questions because apparently the live chat is still functioning and we have questions about the topics and comments as well. Like from Neil Varma who saying that the frozen trailer looks good. And I wasn't a big frozen fan even just like you there, coy. And then also we have Chris Robinson, who's asking will frozen to get a billion dollars. I think it will be nominated for best song again. I also. I think it's probably gonna get. I mean, maybe this is just, you know going way too far ahead without actually seeing a film. But I think it's probably going to get a nomination for best animated feature also. Yeah. I think I think the odds are good Disney and Pixar every time they put one of those one of their movies out usually gets nominated frozen, if there if we're going to get another catchy song in there. I think that can be nominated as well. And you know, TD on that because what was interesting about this? I know I liked the score and bringing in that first on. But we didn't get any bite of like what are they going to be singing about is going to be as catchy as the, the first frozen things. So but I think, you know, cross the board this the animation is looking just absolutely stunning. Magic fire in that in that forest scene that was around, like, oh freeze frame blow that up and put it on my wall. And I didn't know I don't think a frozen as that franchise frozen. Like I need to be struck by visuals. And instead of going like we're a happy dancing thing again. It's going like take us seriously. It this felt more like a how to train your drag. Flavor, which is my favorite animated franchise. Yes, you said that next to the right guy. Treanor dragon is incredible. That's the ball. The trilogy is just perfect top to bottom beginning to end is everything. And it's mythology gets lower. It's adults, it's for kids at tells you morals. It gives you lessons that gives you characters, you love this feels like that. Yes, that is a great point. I think, because as we started going along and how to train your dragon franchise did have a little bit more darkness to a little bit more adult themes, especially that second one in than leading into the third. But this is not about how to train your tracking is it, it's about frozen. So I love that love it has that flavor. So I'm excited for that as for box office, just so you guys know the first movie wound up finishing out its worldwide run. With one point two seven six billion dollars. I would be shocked if frozen to came out, and it got rave reviews and then didn't cross the billion dollar Mark. This thing was. I mean a special kind of popping at the box office. Disney also rushed to incorporate on and Elsa in their theme parks, this was a major major winner. And I think if they achieve that same level of quality, the money is gonna follow. And I was just with my niece on Sunday talking about frozen, too. And I said, how much do you want to see this? And she went on to see it, and then I went how many times you wanna see. And she said eight okay. All right. Very specific. You seven years old, so she's got it. She's like, I'm going to wear my else's outfit. She wants to go, and I wonder how many times she's going to beg plead hound my sister into bringing her eight times because of that happens even half of that. We're going to get to a billion and be the best uncle ever. Well, I'm gonna try to take her to the press green, I'm gonna do. Oh, you, you would be a big winner. There's no. Yeah. That's what I hope crazy about this year is to see has Star Wars in December, and has this November it's already done. Okay. This summer. What's the men game? It's, it's making some money. And that's what's crazy is spacing its own workout. So it has other time to breathe because people will be seeing it, eight times between its opening and Star Wars. And that's that's it's just it's the empire is terrifyingly powerful. Welcome to Disney World. Mean. All right. Before we move onto our. We're going to talk about Boettger Bobino joining the Sesame Street team but we've got some promos right now. There's a really cool show coming to collider and you're gonna wanna watch it check it out right now from a bird, watching nurse to a line dancing firefighter. Nobody's just one thing. 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Collider heroes Hendaye longer. Collider heroes podcast where coin, I are going to talk your ears off. You already know that's coming. So make sure to go to you to subscribe, and find us on the collider heroes podcast feed for all of that sweaty goodness in addition to that new episode of collider heroes, we have so much podcast content for you on the collider factory feed, you can get it on apple podcasts or podcast, one dot com. And if you go over there and check out the feed, you're getting the witching hour. You're getting the action guys TV talk collider games and more on top of that. So do check it out. All right story, number two here, unlike I can't believe how thrilled I have about this. According to a report from deadline. Bo Burnham is contributing songs for the Warner Brothers, MGM Sesame Street movie, the alad also had some plot information in their peace. Their article said, big bird and is Sesame Street. Friends are mysteriously expelled from their neighborhood. Finding themselves in Manhattan. They team up with Sally Hawthorne plucky history show host, who's on a quest to save program, improved that Sesame Street, actually exists. Obstacles created by the evil mayor with reasons of his own for keeping Sesame Street, hidden from the world. Boy, do I dare toss this to you. I it's freaking me out thing me street. Is that a is about what imagination can represent? And this plotline is literally can you tell me how to get how you get to Sesame Street as a plot? You're giving me you're giving me Bogor who's going to get dark approachable to kids. You're going be Anne Hathaway who walks around as a Disney Princess breaking into song and real life. You're assembling the avengers world. This plot is the V thing to get you back to being invested. My spirit animal is a Sesame Street character. I believe that Grover and I identify way too much like I totally hockey he likes superheroes. He's misunderstood. He's got wacky levels of energy. I've. I'm straight since I was a kid. And I really think that what you can do with this is you can have the adults wonder about their own reality. A lot like sparky. You can have a commentary on is my imaginary friend imaginary. Like, what was that movie where the thing like inside me inside inside out wrong. Dot fr children's not that different comedy special inside out world down. John. Commentary on imaginary figures and this can do that. What if big bird has been a concept that we invented all along, what if Sesame Street is a frame of mind, not a location? What if Sesame Street is a piece of us, not a piece of New York? What have we find out after they go to Manhattan? Then what we visit is our own inner childhood, what essentially streets, represent your actual place. Right. Like, what of Sesame Street is your childhood that you get to visit when you believe in it, okay? It's like Neverland Koi, if I was on Twitter right now. I'd share a mind, boom. Yeah. Yell and I I'm with you completely and that's you put it beautifully. I can't really add much to it because when I read this synopsis I went that's great. That's great because I, I grew up with Sesame Street as well. I had big bird Ernie and stuff on my closets painted, especially they're on their until I was in high school. I was made fun of it. But I said, you know what I love Sesame Street? And I love this idea that we are going to question that existence prove that it's real remind the adults at that Sesame Street can be a state of mind. It can be right around the corner in your backyard. Whatever you want and big bird and his folks are going to be there to remind you. So I think it's going to be a nice message for adults. The you can bring your kids, I can bring my knees I can do all of that. And you have in Hathaway who's a fantastic performer in her own right? Singing, and dancing, and then there in Manhattan, come on. And what's more timeless than Sesame Street? Generations have grown up visiting this place. That reminds you. Her childhood like there's that line between childish and childlike and the thing about Sesame Street, is it never got childish. It was always about education, as always about growing so visiting a place that is child like that reminds you of childhood without being childish devolving. It's about growing, as an adult by being a kid that Sesame Street reading that synopsis, kind of put my brain down the path of something like won't you be my neighbor, and I don't necessarily know if that's what they're going for. But where, you know, I was so far removed from Mr. Rogers teachings for how many decades of my life? But when I watched that movie, I was kind of brought right back to the charm of, of kind of the simplicity of just good human behavior being kind loving person and the importance of relationships and spreading that kindness. And if they could figure out a way to incorporate like Sesame Street, and that kind of wide appeal where like young kids out there could still appreciate a movie like this, but also bring all the adults and I mean you actually hit it right on the head there Koi. Is that pretty much every generation? Has had Sesame Street in their lives. Could you imagine a version of this film that appeal to kids? But that also meant something I mean, something like deep deep down where misspell j you could tap into your child childhood, but also kind of like, Rian visit revisit, like kid like wonder as an adult that something to me that says this movie is going to basically plow through an entire year worth of movies and could be an Oscar contender, especially when you have Bo Burnham in the mix right now after all the love that eighth grade got the only thing that's going little bit of a wrench into that plan that I'm coming up with right now is the fact that this is a January. Fifteen twenty twenty one release that usually isn't when you release an Oscar movie, but I don't know the team behind this, and this really, really rich storytelling opportunity has me, thinking this, this could wind up being something way more special than anyone ever imagined. The these stories, always appealed to me that reminding the adult or the adults. To discover your inner child again. And you believe in magic and, and it seems to be going that way with the, the synopsis because I you know, if they're banished from Sesame Street, and, you know, maybe it's some evil, I mean, it's falling into kid stuff to that. I love. That's playful that is semi street like this, bad guys, like let's get rid of Sesame Street. We're going to bulldoze it to the ground, and these guys are going to be out of it in that, that's when the magic start spreading. That's what I'm getting for it now with Bo Burnham, I was a fan of his YouTube work when he was doing those funny songs like they were catchy. There were, they had some commentary under some bitings society, looking at society through his songs if you transfer that to Sesame Street, I mean, I picture, Grover pitcher Grover being a vessel for him to sing through or burning question for you right now. What is your Sesame Street spirit animal? Oh, lord. I think I've always been an Ernie, Ernie earning. That a little bit Ernie was always, I don't know. Somebody, I really responded to Grover was a huge one when he was super Grover. Right. All that's the thing is like I feel like another way that they can do this exit central removal of Sesame Street has this linear path is that each of them kinda Representative from piece of everyone. So, like, you know, awesome, which is about overcoming, your own, like a anger at the world. We've got cookie monster overcoming gluttony and letting yourself indulge Bert and Ernie like relationships and how to be a better friend. You've got an Elmo representing what it's like to actually appreciate happiness, when being tickled you've got Rover who kind of like there's there's, there's a shape of everyone in every character, and big bird is like this guiding light of, of control and an intelligence. But also he still lives, boldly like I can't wait cats. I can't believe Sesame Street just wound up being one of my most anticipated movies, twenty twenty one look at once happening here today on movie talk. It's crazy. We need Sesame Street. Do you really do? We need to be reminded again. We need to, you know, get that magic and everything the co said, it's not a place coopting, your stuff, a love it also I just realized inside of me is that song for forgetting Sarah Marshall. So what does that thing? And I was like, starting is it? Is it wrong? Brands brand put in the work. Songwriter. I just want Manama in there, but that's my pets, so they can get exactly more magic happening on the show right now in the live chat. That's still functioning, even though we're not live. All right. People commenting on that once upon a time poster. We have seen har- who says that this poster looks very old school should have been it should have been the first one that I post or for once upon a time in Hollywood do with what happened leaning on, like nonexistent. Polls. Like someone said, wouldn't it be cool. If we had a movie theater standi where someone could take a picture, inbetween Leonardo Di Caprio, and Brad Pitt? And they're like illeg also make that the stupid poster here. It was so silly looking, and then you look at this one, and it's got some like real like flavor and style to it. It's a fantastic poster. It's a great call back to the time that the timeframe that we're in. It's like old school Hollywood. It's artistic. It's something if this movie lands with me, like I feel like it will that's a poster that I would go. I'm framing that. That's, that's what I'm putting on my wall because I love that it's art. We don't have enough posters like that, because sometimes they're lazy Spiderman apart from home. So to me, it's art. And to me, the first photo was it looked like a stock photo thing, you'd see be? But with handsome people like it was like the stock photos of like seventies guy happened to be Brad Pitt is worse? This is the tone in the movie. It's the flavor. And it is truly. It's art, but I don't mind if art sells something as long as it's something I'm invested in. Absolutely. Well now. Because Riley, brought it up. I have to ask one of the most positive people in the world who could see the silver lining anywhere. So what do you what do you think of the Spiderman far from home? Post. I will find silver lining, that poster looks like I'm gonna just give me a second. Oh, okay. Got you. It looks like when you're traveling, and you're trying to put together a piece of home. So you're putting together all of these images that remind you of things you're fond of. But since you're doing it. Hurry because you're traveling it's adhered to the item. Tiny child trying to make a cold is a collage that reminds you that your home when you're far from home. That's a reach my positive spin on it was going to be someone out there in the world is starting to learn Photoshop and good for them. Okay. I'm going to have to check with the judges. I'm sorry. We cannot accept that poster. I'm sorry. There's no positive. I mean. Yeah, good for the person figuring out Photoshop for the day and getting that deadline on time. It's awful. It's your. It's your poster some of those, I max posters when they come out, you wanna frame them. This is like, come on. You're doing my Spidey wrong on this one, he's just like a random Spiderman hanging here, the big one, and then it's like mistrial Photoshop Nick fury post shop in. I don't know. Let's just here's Big Ben, and here's the Eiffel tower house that we've got this episode. I know right now, the real high note and because I don't get to talk with you nearly enough anymore. Let's go with this question from Joseph weeks, who wants to know what are some of your favorite found footage movies building just mess? This question question is, what are some of your favorite found footage movies that are outside of the harsh onerous? So I've completely obliterated, my plan right there. I mean. Of footage outside of the horror, genre, actually is difficult to think about that. Now that comes to I kind of appreciate the challenge, though. Why can't I there's, there's something there that was rather recently, I can't remember articles a cliche. But like I mean chronicle was was was coming to my head, but I'm really trying troll. Hunter is a monster movie. So that is it's like a big falls under the horrid. They did there there. It is. Found footage move. Have we had any like comedic ones? I'm trying to think. Party x project project. One. No, no party. The house party will HAMAs band, right? Right. And miles teller makes a cameo that's right. It was on that set for five or more. A lot. Auntie. I'm not like, hey, how often are you in the movie like could we make a coy project extra thinking games? You know who I am like if you spot me very often, but it's hard to spot makes them doing stunts and stuff. But like Motors, a motorcycle stuff like skateboarding stuff. And like I go off the roof on the skateboard Riley challenge. You to this game down. I have a mini golf challenge out there and a coy project x drinking game challenge out there. I feel like my life is full. I have long hair too here. Let's. 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"You're. Listening to comedy central. Hey everybody. Welcome to the daily social distancing show I'm trevor. Noah it's Tuesday August eleventh and here's a tip for anyone who's heading back to the office for the first time since March, remember to smell the milk in the kitchen before pouring it in your coffee because after five months, it might be spoiled. Then again, it might also cure corona. So maybe go for it anyway on tonight's episode Kanye West is out of time Roy Wood Junior makes a citizen's arrest and Donald Trump wants to make sure you never get a birthday card from me more ever again. So. Let's do this people. Welcome to the daily social distancing show. From Trevor's couch in new. York City your couch somewhere in the world. This is the daily social distancing show with Trevor Dome. Let's, kick it off with the big news of the day the vice presidency. It's America's assistant manager and today Joe. Biden announced who he's picked to be his VP. We're coming on the air with breaking news. Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden has made his choice. NBC News is confirmed that Biden has picked California Senator Kamala Harris to be his running mate the first woman of Color in. To be chosen for such a position. So the Democratic ticket is Biden Harris that's right. People Joe Biden has efficiently picked. Kamala Harris to be his running mates say what you want about Joe but the men went and he's not going back and I got to say I'm impressed that Biden picked Kamala even after she destroyed him at that debate in fact, part of me thinks he only picture so that she can just never discussed his ass public. Again, this isn't a VP pick it's an insurance policy and I'm really interested to see what the trump campaign's line of attack is going to be on Carmela. Because then you'll have a tough time everything. She's done in her career appeals to trump's base crafty gamma spent her whole career locking up criminals and filling up California's jails. She's even friends with cops hold on that actually sounds pretty. Cool. My is it too late to change you jokes aside, congratulations to Kamla Harris. She is now the first black woman on a major party tickets, which is a great moment for her and for America, moving on from our next possible vice president to the next possible president of the United States Connie West since announcing his candidacy. The hip hop superstar and broke looking billionaire has been scrambling to get on the ballot in as many states as possible and unfortunately for him, it's not going smoothly. West's legal team is fighting to be included in the November presidential election while here's the problem. The Wisconsin election campaign alleges the nomination paperwork was filed fourteen seconds late was his response was that fifteen seconds after five on the deadline night is not later than five they argue the deadline includes anytime before five A. One surprise surprise. The Guy who made late registration couldn't get his paperwork in on time. Could you. Guys thank you. Although. If I'm being perfectly honest this is a tough philosophical question I mean think about it if there's a five o'clock deadline to hand in your signatures, are you late if you hand them in at five o'clock and fourteen seconds like is five o'clock until five a one or is it five one immediately when five o'clock hits and only call it five or one when the one is complete? I mean. This is the kind of question I don't know the answer to. What I do know is there's one person I don't want to debate the meaning of time with and that's Kanye West. Tom was invented by the devil to destroy God, but it's also a product of God. And this decision by Wisconsin is the kind of thing that it happens to someone else. You're like amen rules rules they said before five you didn't do before five but when it happens to you you like this is bullshit what is this communist China but I don't know man. Kanye West. With this little lawsuit, he managed just one vote because I want a government that believes that deadlines are ish. Tax Day April Fifteenth Ish Yeah you get them to us when you get to worst expired licensed air was good month ago. Our GET OUTTA here moving on to covid nineteen the virus that's turn shaking hands into an extreme sports. The good news is the first vaccine has been approved for use in the general population. Yeah. The bad news is it was approved by Vladimir Putin breaking overnight a surprise and claim from Russian President Vladimir. Putin that have vaccine has been developed in his country and has already been given to people including his own daughter in the global race for Corona. Virus. Vaccine Russia's said today it's already one even though it hasn't completed phase three trials. Not Slowing Russia down which today registered and approved for use vaccine while continuing to conduct human trials scientists including from the WHO are urging caution saying only extensive and prolonged testing can determine if a vaccine is effective and safe. Okay. This is pretty shady to say the least because you see vaccines like ordering food you wanted quickly not too quickly I mean, yes, I'm hungry but if my delivery comes in under ten minutes was that my delivery. was supposed to go out yesterday also, let's be honest. has anything good ever come from a Russian injection? I mean the best case scenario is you winning Olympic medal that gets taken back two years later and I know Putin wants people to trust him by saying he gave the vaccine to his daughter but no-one suspicious that he can give the vaccine to himself because we don't know his relationship with his daughter. Like if trump gave the vaccine to his daughter, we'd no, it's real but if he gave it to Eric and we'll know what's up. So look the truth is that a safely tested vaccine is still probably months away but in the meantime, his something that might just hold you over. Candy with trick or treating in doubt because of the pandemic candy manufacturers are protecting themselves from potential losses for their biggest season. Hershey has partnered with retailers to set up. Halloween. Earlier in the summer in some cases, four weeks earlier in addition to the longer season, Hershey's is focusing more on family sized packs and a fewer treats in Halloween specific packaging. This is classic America the candy companies are like, okay. Because of Corona we've got to be prepared. Let's plan this thing out early and let's make sure everybody gets access to candy. Where's the election people like? Feeling, lucky. Let's see what happens on the day and as for Halloween. This whole year was Halloween every day I've been wearing a mosque and going through an entire bag of fun size twix. What are we supposed to do in October but I will say I really do feel for candy makers especially, Columbus because let's be honest if sales are down, they're going to be the first ones let go and finding a job right now as an Lupu. That's not easy to do do do you think he was in those things? NAH Meanwhile, Halloween isn't the only autumn tradition in jeopardy. You See College football season is right around the corner and the battle over whether to play is getting more brutal than well college football sacked the leaders of college football holding emergency talks on whether to cancel the season the big ten conference announcing late today, it will postpone all full sports joining the mountain West in the mid American conference's vice. President Mike Pence saying in America Needs College football it's important for. Student athletes schools in our nation president trump took to social media saying student athletes have been working too hard for their season to be canceled for the football. Players are very young strong people and physically I mean the physically an extraordinary shape. So they're not gonNA have a problem. You're not GonNa see people you know could it be could happen but I doubt it you're not going to see people dying they get better very quickly if they get it at all. So I think I think football's making a tragic mistake Donald Trump. Truly has the strangest priorities of all time. One hundred and sixty thousand Americans of dead. It is what it is. College Football Mike postponed for your what a tragedy. If those kids don't get to bang each other's hands, you might never see another donald trump. But I will tell you this. If College football is being canceled, then you know Corona viruses series. Because I've traveled through this country and people in America will do anything for. College football. If, you told Tennessee fans that their football stadium was going to be moved to the sufferings of the Sun. They'd be like well, then I'll find a seat on the shady side because this year's going to be the balls year, but you know what? Instead of forcing college football maybe now is the time the college sports to have their moment. Like how about fencing? 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It's now become how will donald trump try to cheat and with more Americans than ever expected to vote by mail juta Corona virus. It looks like he's zeroing in on his plan president trump is stepping up his efforts to discredit mail-in voting as vulnerable to fraud ramping up attacks on twitter and on television I think mail-in. Voting is is going to rig the election. I really do they want to steal an election? That's all this is all about they want to steal the election. No way you can go through a mail in vote without massive cheating Democrats are pushing to expand mail voting and change existing voting laws to make it easier for people to cast ballots at home because of the corona virus, the president wants his political allies to fight back against that, and they've now pledged twenty million dollars for that effort for real. Only, Donald Trump is wit enough to have beef with the mail. Everyday he's less and less like a president and more like a neighbor in a Sitcom Goddamn you mail. I mean, this guy is spending twenty million dollars to sue mail in voting. Only when trump spent that much money suing you because you've seen him naked I know what you saw some you can't tell anybody you can't tell them about this thing that I got. So even though the president's and almost everyone in his administration votes by male clinic, he thinks the letting everybody else do it would be bad for his reelection and because lawsuits alone won't stop mailing voting. The other part of trump's plan is to just stop the mail tonight. A backlog of undelivered mail is piling up in post offices around the country workers are blaming the new postmaster general, a top Republican campaign donor who has given more than one point one million. Dollars to the trump victory fund louis joy force cost cutting measures leading to undelivered mail piling up at post offices across the country and CBS News confirm this Internal Postal Service directive that outlines an operational pivot saying extra trips to deliver mail are no longer authorized and that we may see male left behind or mail in the workroom floor or docks, which is typical for the service insists it's not intending to slow down any delivery or risk any election male but the stakes are high for the US to follow through on its promise of on time delivery thirty two states currently will not count ballots that arrive after election day even if postmarked earlier. Wow. Even if you mail your ballot and on time thirty, two states won't count them if the post office gets them in late. And that doesn't sound an election. That sounds like what happened to me in high school. Yeah. I gave my friend a love letter to posture my crush. But then he decided to skip third period instead. So she never got my letter so she went to Prom with another guy and then they ended up getting married and having a kid. So that should have been my kid and that's what I told the cops they meet me give the kid back anyways, and that's why you gotTa Fund the Police. So look if trump and his cronies are trying to sabotage the post office, there's only one solution. And I hate to say it folks we have to let bed bath and beyond run mail in voting. Because no matter how much I try to stop them I keep getting those coupons in the mail. It's ridiculous. Don't lead in this elite. All this. I don't mean to know that this thirty five percent of shower curtains ownership. was, expired anyway. So, trump has been on a crusade against mail in ballots, and then he installed a close political ally who just happened to stop slowing down the mail, which means that come November a lot of votes that are supposed to make election day might not. It also means that in the meantime, all the other male is getting delayed and it's having a huge effect on people's lives in some parts. Of the country customers are waiting weeks further mail. These neighbors in Chicago's Dunning neighborhood want consistent US Postal Service mail delivery. Susan Carter says when mail is delivered, it comes late and sometimes it's not there's I just think the system fell apart and I don't think they care about us all that stuff that's important to you that nobody else should be get maybe going to somebody else's house in Baltimore. Two hours in hopes of getting their mail that never showed up many are getting bills and paychecks on time putting a strain on their homes and businesses five. Five everything. The only thing I didn't survive with the male as he bedroom myself. I. Get medication through the Mail I rely on. In not to have it when I need it, that's a travesty to a veteran. Yeah you see a lot of people think that mail is just a waste of paper critic 'cause that they're not going to sign up for in ads for shit that they're not going to buy. But for many many people, that's how they get their medicine. It's how they communicate with family members in prison and for many areas of the country especially rural areas. The Post Office is the only way they can receive mail. So the male might mean nothing to you, but it means everything to some people. Think of it like a Wilson voluble it might not mean anything to you. But when Tom, hanks trapped on that island, it was his every think. Do. You think he was volleyball. Now. So look. It's becoming clear as day that unless trump changes his mind on the post office just like every other trump business, it could be doomed. Okay. When we come back, Roy Wood Junior conducts a citizens arrest. You don't WanNa. Miss It. 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In the criminal justice system, there are laws, and then there are laws that are dumb and make no sent. These are their stories. We're now learning more about why Glenn County police arrested either of the two men involved in the shooting death of twenty five year old Ahmad. Arboretum a district attorney borrow states in this letter that both men are protected under Georgia's citizens arrest law citizens, arrests that just some bullshit people say I don't TV. But in real life citizens arresting no Barney Fife Shit. Individual, that's twenty. Some odd years of age and individuals are running after you blocking you in with cars that's called honey. That's the wild wild west we talked about. This is Georgia state representative Karl Gilliardi someone who's jets just outraged about this as I am the citizens arrests law gives individual citizens the right to arrest someone up to forty eight hours until law enforcement would arrive. Not only. Can you citizens arrest somebody? You can just keep them for two days like misery. People using laws as a justification for murder. As. As lynching you have a higher form racism, they're not wearing hoods anymore to wear shirts and. Sound like a player hit a low I. think you're correct house the still a law. Well. No one's challenged. This law was conceived in eighteen sixty three. It's just it's outdated. What possibly could have been happening in Georgia in eighteen sixty, three, I ask no one I won't like the answer. This particular law was written during the civil war. So way of preventing enslaved. Africans. Who are trying to escape to the union lines it empowered any white person to arrest any black person. So on a scale of betty white. To David Duke, how racist is this citizen's arrest law? You tell me when to stop to do. At that that that that that that that that that that that that that. Do. That's. One of the big things about Georgia is the man in charge of writing the formal laws. Thomas Com is an avid racist wave of it racist. Books justifying racism basically argued that African Americans were better off slave and could never really function as free people shit. That is avid. Okay. Continue CARB himself. He dies leaching sixty two but the system of law here in. Georgia. Lives on. And that becomes the. Basis to protection for racist like the Ku Klux Klan after the civil war because they could lynch. Any African American. And claim it was a citizens arrest. How is this still a law? We still have racist society. We haven't gotten rid of so many elements of racism in the United States. Well, that's awesome. I talked to the experts studied the finest legal ticks, and I can confirm this law must be changed but I have no idea how to do that. How is this still a law? All these injustices are happening at nobody's doing anything to stop the on am where you are. That's why I authored House Bill Twelve three you're proposing a law that gets rid of the law does a terrible law. There's some people that are trying to move phone. Cool as it turns out one of the things filling Carl's calendar is a bill to repeal the current citizens arrest law and he's getting ready to drop it like it's don't say Karl, we are getting ready to drop it. Tully. It's a movement. Now, the old Jim Crow has had a bowel movement and we're in a whole new movement. So repealing the citizens, arrest law is a laxative against the Jim Crow Constipation does from hold up the progress of the black man what we need to do with the last year is at a scandal round. That's it. Then we need to take a chokehold that. We need to take a voter registration suppression laxative get all of that moved out into the time of Justice Not Brooklyn only time will tell citizens arrest gets flushed into the sewage system of history, but would definitely a step closer to getting rid of this law with the entire country? No this is for Georgia Oh shit how many states have citizens arrest law? All of what they section of maybe two. So we got work to do. To do. You can. Thank you so much Roy. When we come back, I'll be talking to a star of the hit show. This is US Sterling K. Brown stay tuned. We'll come back to the social distancing show earlier today I spoke with award winning actor Sterling K. Brown. We talked about a new initiative. He's working on cold one million troops with platform to capture and convey the scale of racism in American Life. Check it out. Sterling K.. Brown. Welcome to the daily social distancing show. Thank you me under the bed. You say it's an honor, but I've been trying to get you on the show for years and you haven't found the time or the means to make it to the show, and then now now when I can't be in the same space as you now you come on the show because you know I wanted to take a Selfie with you saw show all my people back home that I know you and now I'm going to be like, Oh yeah I know him we did that. So we did that sell a free in the event on time and you. You. Hold the camera as if you taking this up. And rotation and. UPS You're very busy man, not just working, but also being nominated for the work that you do. So let me start by congratulating you congratulations on two emmy nominations. For this US one for the Marvelous Mrs Mazel if I if I'm correct in the state I, believe that you are the first actor to be nominated in both of those major categories in the same year drama and comedy. Range that's what that is. So maybe Ed asner before me was nominated for Mary, Tyler Moore Show and for routes. But at the time routes was considered this the draw but not limited series soak. Second, and I'm good. You are the father of two young kids and you've been in the house during coronavirus. Did they give you any recognition for nominations or were they just looking for like what is dead? GonNa do today Cook today make today teach us today would like do they even care? My youngest has no clue as nut it's not going to him at all whatsoever he's almost five. My oldest knows exactly what's going on and so I told him that I got nominated you got into game it's like good for you. That's awesome. Have now. I'm standing he'll walk me openly to my faced young sterling brown I got emmys golden. Globes, than I have in the blessed you, I'm so cool whatever Bro and he goes and beats my ass at Bat. That's how he reckons with me. I feel like you missing out on an opportunity as father if you don't wait for him to graduate a grade and then he comes and tells us data pasta I, got an A. and then you go a look. A gutted. I can't wait. Turnabout US where. You one of the people who gets welcomed into millions and millions of people's households every single week people know you and they love you and so anything you do. We'll get a spotlight know shine upon it. Everyone's GonNa Shine that spotlight where they go sterling K. Brown is doing something you part of a project right now cold one million troops, which is really interesting interesting project and I want to share with the audience what is one million troops all about tritiated man it's it's basically platform at initiative for black folks in America to share their experiences with races at a centralized way for black folks to see other people's stories and for allies who were. Interested to see that the experiences of better friends have told them about are not a one off. That is not just something that happened like in an isolated sort of incident that these isolated incidents are happening over and over again all over the country and maybe by having one place where people can go and see like Oh life for black people in this country is not the same as it is for me right and then there's a development of empathy and hopefully a wave of support that we can ride right now to make some real change to systemic racism in this country. One thing I I've always enjoyed about the show. This is us is. It's it's an interesting look at how much people can love each other and know each other but still not know fully about each other you know and you you play a character way you're part of a family where even though chef. So many things that's still something that separates you and that is the color of your skin and I wonder if like. Is this certain storytelling that you try and get across in the show that that that helps people empathize with somebody who has a different skin color without making them feel like they're being blamed as opposed to the system being being being highlighted I would hope so I think random Pearson dislike his brother and sister and mother and father is a human being first and foremost. And I think so much of the power media is that people learn room exposure whether it's travel whether it's the books whether it's through the. That they see on screen and show the demographic of our shows best. But is about eighty percent white right in. So there's opportunities that I have to make conversations with people who may not have those conversations with someone that looks likely and by virtue of them, seeing me in their home eighteen times a week. He's just like me he loves kids he loves his wife like I understand part of his struggle even if I don't understand the totality of it. So over the next time, they see me or anybody who looks like me they can lean in rather than sterile. I'd love to know about your personal story a little bit because I I learned that you discovered that I think you're fifth great paternal grandparents. Were from. Africa. It's always interesting when people discover like where their family came from especially when you live in America and the records on therefore you can easily peruse. Does that change anything in your world and in your mind when you start to trek how and where your family came to the United to the United States? Does it change a little bit of the story? You Tell Yourself. Of You or your family or even the country you're in. There is this really sort of profound experience that you have as a young black man in a predominantly white institution of learning to sing singles country day in Saint Louis Missouri, and I'll be one raise in one of the few raisins in the Sun. White experience and everytime February comes around and you're talking about black history month and you talk about this dishes slavery everybody looks at you and they will pass that like why are we still talking about? This is ancient history. Country is old enough to have ancient kissed right and so you feel this sort of defensiveness to be like, how do you show that like the reprecussions would transpired in the past still reverberating in the present And then you see documentation of your ancestors listed as as. Property. Listed, as there was a bank. The guy wanted to the excuse me I'm being very inelegant in this particular moment, the slave owner who owned by quadruple grandparents listed them as collateral because he wanted to extend his plantation. Any, needed to listen for. Bank loan, and so you see them listed as property and you recognize it like it's not that long ago. You recognize that while other people get listed your family as property so that they could expand their wealth they reach we had not. As a completely different starting point SORTA. Validated for me this level of defensiveness that I've always had to prove something I'll have to prove like I can see it and it's so little lap folks across the world at documentation of the oppression that has transpired to them as individuals and as a people it really just. It made it real I. knew it was real before but I saw had the oculus roots. Yet. I wonder if this is this one of the reasons, not this particular story, but but but but the history of America, your history in America and the story that America tells is one of the reasons that you you named your your production company. The way you did is is that why you chose to focus on certain stories and and and how to tell them using the platform. Of Hollywood so it's interesting the I the name of my production company is Indian photos and it's named after the neighborhood that I grew up in Saint, Louis Missouri, and it's a predominantly African American neighborhood that went through it was Jewish and then black folks moved in Jews didn't leave but their kids grew up in outward. So I had old Mississippi woman living next door to me. Substitute. Teachers spady school and she was just playing bodies low black kids who loved as much as anybody. And so just the testimony of where I come from and who wished to represent because as evidenced by the fact that we get to celebrate Kusama. Harris being the vice president of the vice presidential nominee along with Joe Biden I'm very excited My wife by the way I should say is almost is excited as I am but if you're familiar with Greek organizations in the United States, my wife is daughter and Cutler is an angry. Little bit shy but they're still it's still a reason to celebrate, right? Seeing yourself onscreen validates your wife, and so i WanNa tell stories where people of color will marginalize groups are front and center than not necessarily the side kick or the goofy friend or whatnot. But the story is out there because when you see yourself, you know that your story is as important as anybody else's well I'll tell you this. If somebody's watching emmys this year, they will see you twice nominated and hopefully twice winning sterling K.. Brown. Thank you so much for joining on the show. Excellent. Appreciate your brother. Thank you so much sterling. Well, let's show for tonight's. But before we go I, just wanted to let you know that there are a lot of groups out there right now who are working to protect and advance voting rights for the elections in November. One of them is the Alliance for Youth Or. which is a national network of local youth led organisations mobilizing people to vote. 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203: Are We Too Nice? | Ear Biscuits Ep. 203

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203: Are We Too Nice? | Ear Biscuits Ep. 203

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The space which is a space and then the word Nice 'cause too nice doesn't selling a cool name for a musician. You don't WanNa be to know the Dash Dash Nice. Oh I know Cole had that C._D.. Man I go into his room. When I was going over to your house? He added all hanging out with you. He didn't even have a C._d.. C._D. Player he had a C._D.. Player man and he had like he had rap CDs and I'd go in there and I listen to him. I'd listen to this. I well listen to him talk about his CDs and may occasionally he'd play them. He had much better music music tastes than you did well. He was I think he also was it's the older brother Syndrome older brother Yeah. I technically had access to library. I knew it was all being down to me couldn't play though because you didn't have a C._D.. Player I eventually had a C._D.. Player of course eventually you did but I had a tape player for a long time that there was a moment when he transitioned to CDs where I was a little bit left in the dark but also we had thin walls in the house and I am we shared a wall so I kind of listened to muffled denies in. Did you ever talk to him through the wall. I mean I never I know this. Isn't that what we're talking about but we're talking about this relates to my much much dream dream is to tell you the dream ahead. You're in <hes> all right. So we're GONNA talk about. Are we to Nice. It is a question that we've asked her. I didn't tell you many times I your dream. I yelled at him through the wall and vice versa shut up that kind of thing you know that's ironic but there was no like prison sort of like communication between the two walls in the reason I say prison is because that's what my dream was about and I believe in my wife pointed this out when I told her about the stream she said the reason you dream. This is because of that question that we got in the live chat bitcon where the question was would survive better in prison in your answer was not me I said I don't think Linke Pu would to imprison. I didn't know what you meant by that. I think most people do very nice. I'm not too nice man. I'm denies okay so I had a dream that you were in prison and you were in prison for murder. Oh crap. I knew no details. All I knew is that you had been falsely accused. How good and I don't know if is because I just knew in in your character so well? You're not capable of murder but I just think that the pretense don't think linke boosts capable of murder to pretense in the dream was that I was going to talk to you about how we were going to get you out out. Legally not break you out but I was going. I was like is false accusation so for some reason the prison was in Keith Hills so the golf course the gated neighborhood so as golf course that was <hes> next to where you we both grew up in boos creed that we're going to next week that were we're going to visit an in all this is on your mind. Maybe there is a I know. They expanded the Golf Course I. I have not heard that they added a prison. We'll golfers can be very very dis- disorderly. Sometimes they break clubs and stuff. It'd be nice to have a detention center for them so you were on your way to the prison. which was the golf core? I got yeah. No I was at the prison I was at the prison in the prison was near the river. The prison was basically where we're going to be next week in that area like where syndrome Morgan's old house was okay and so I I go go in my mission is to talk to you about like dude. We've gotta get a lawyer like we need like we need to engage. We have to try to fight this and you were completely like disengage. It was like it settled in completely settle in. You're like I see I do well in prison. Well you may well self right at home. You Willing Goff Prison Willing Goff prison but did it. Did it have golf course coachman. No it was it was like it well. I'll explain it was almost like it was just a building. Maybe with a gate low security like a medium to low security prison okay for murder and <hes>. Who did I kills? I don't have the details of the murder. I'd like the didn't register. I just knew that you're innocent and I was like I gotTa Talk To link about this. When I began talking to you about it again like you were like not responsive to the idea of like challenging? This dejected acted or was a happy. What what was my state in? You're indifferent. You are disengaged and I was very mad as very upset with you yeah because I did want to get into also your emotional state because I think this could be revealing lane so before I made you angry. What is your emotional state where you crying where you the beginning of the dream at least as far as I remember it was I am at Goth prison and I've got? I've got to figure this out. I gotta get link Outta here. It was very much just that was it and I'm like going there and start talking to you in like the area where you can talk to prisoners. You've got on you have on an orange shirt was there orange jumpsuit no in class sitting at a table with you okay and but no touching and I was like hey man like you didn't do this like we gotta get your story out. There and you and you just weren't saying anything you would kind of just looking at me like why are you so upset about this. As a then the door opens. Oh and I'm like this is just like the door to the room opens and there's a Hoddinott the door open. They're just woods. It's not a well-designed prison like the door opens and weaken totally get out. was there like music music and especially light like that doesn't happen to my dreams so I looked Gino's like let's go because I was what was happening in my brain was we gotta go through this long legal procedure get him out. He's not even on board. We thinking about content. We think about careers the weirdest thing about a friendship I I really need to know that I can make up an answer feel a certain way. No I'm saying I don't know I well. It's a dream I'm it's. It's a fragmented reality. You know what I'm saying probably all wrapped up together so I was probably thinking like prison content. The funny thing is is as you. You did a took you a second to be okay. I'm GonNa go but you you ran out after me and my old dodge intrepid that I drove at the end of high school in the beginning of college was the car that I was driving because that's how these things happen dreams and I and I just get into into the intrepid in start driving and you are running after the intrepid. Try catching a train so in other words. I'm running away without the guy that I'm trying to get out of prison. Where am I going? I just visited prison. I don't have to leave in a hurry. It seemed that Ah I had a motivation issue so you really need to they needed to get me off the dime in your running next to the car and then I might get into the car and you're like but my shirt is messed up and I look in the sleeves of your orange jumpsuit are are detached in like you've taped them all and you're trying to get the tape right. That's important can't get into a getaway vehicle and my sleeves or not perfect. Don't worry about the jumpsuit ironically would have been better to like shed the jumpsuit you don't WanNa be driving around town in like a in an intrepid with a with prison uniform on. Did it have like golf insignia on golf relation is unrelated to go. Did I get in you got in we start driving down that part of the circle and Keith Hills and we're driving like towards wiggins old house like coming around that way the big house and I guess prisons the big house but he had a large and apparently the security response is incredibly quick because literally we've been out of prison for seventeen seconds and there's already with teams of dogs like coming name cops with teams of dogs coming through the yards along the although houses right there on the river. It's coming out of the Woodbourne just drive by them slow cheer. I wouldn't want to keep it cool. I wanted to make sure they saw your your orange. Sleeves are intact well. They're taped a little bit not doesn't seem suspicious and as is the case with a lot of dreams <hes> that reach a real point of excitement like that. I woke up at got the then the weirdest thing happened. This was Saturday night. <hes> I ended up staying Saturday night <hes> because locking it ended up having some games in Anaheim basketball game so I was oh I'm already hotel room. Let's stay it been caught for another day and <hes> I so this dream woke me up at about five o'clock in the morning <hes> now I had every reason in addition to go back to sleep but the thing the I could not stop thinking about is how to get away from the cops while you're away I was awake and I was literally. I was trying to go back to sleep and now as I would go to sleep. The thing that I would almo- almost begin dreaming about was picking up the chase where it left off in what I was GonNa do like choose your own adventure and I looked with all these things I was like well. They're definitely like dry trying to drive out. There's only one way out of the gate like there's no. They're going to have the gate barricade. Let we can't get out <music> so what we should have done is we should have gone down to the river and I was like should we have crossed the river now because they would find us they've got helicopters and stuff and I was like no what we should have done is we should've waited until it was night and then we should have gotten into a canoe and gone way down the river and then we should have gotten out of the river at one of those places where there was like a little hut for like fishing and hunting <hes> sometimes people build on the river yeah and then let the boat continue to go down the river so they'll find the boat miles down the river but they instantly won't be like I had I thought about this for forty five minutes that we died you find a canoe. It's like broken up. Oh they drowns yeah yeah all right. We're living living large. Little catfish could've taken off the jumpsuit or at least the sleeves put them in the river say oh he lost his arms his sleeves or he's. He's he's a dissolved. Throw Rush. Yeah you gotTa throw some articles of clothing so you're thinking all of this trying to go back to sleep not wanting to think it but I was like if I don't figure out the best way to get away from the cops at the golf prison. I'm not going to be able to get good sleep in when I figured out. I think it's canoeing at night. Those okay no way better sleep haven't thought about since. I don't think we ever actually canoed at night. Did we of all the canoeing that we did on the Cape Fear River. I did a lot of not recall any night night fishing fishing fishing and we did a lot of night river crossing yeah because sometimes we would get down there too late or whatever it's dangerous to be on. I mean you need to have a spotlight. I would think in order to navigate any new rapids or whatever also wonder. Is there a bet you there is a golf prison somewhere in the world and it's probably Sweden you know they've probably got isn't that where like the really posh prisons are is that one of the Scandinavian avian prisons Norwegian <unk> prisons are nice. Our Golf Courses Nice in in Scandinavia. Why I'm asking you I would think so? Why would they be bad cold icy? We can get snow up there but it's not always snowing you say under the snow. There's a nice golf prison it only it only opens in the summer and then in the winter we send the the prisoners to the to the ski resort prison. That's what they do you now. I don't know how it works but if I'm GONNA ever kill somebody we'll be in Scandinavia. I do think if I went to prison are working relations. This is how it would play out like you would have to do all the thinking I'm not GonNa sit. I'm not going to sit sit in there like <hes> like the hurricane and like try to figure out my own defense you know and like the start writing letters to that too advocates who can come in and get me out of just like me out of prison well well just so it is man. Don't worry about it. I've already started etching. How many days I'm here on my cell and I've started way up here in the corner so I I? I don't want to run out of space like I'll be thinking things like that like. I you know you know you gotta gotTa think strategic. You don't want to start etching days on your cell like right in the middle and then what are you going to do a spiral pattern. Now you gotta start. I'm like the an upper right hand corner. I don't think they let you do that anymore. Also don't think is necessary because I think he just <music>. Ask The guard was the date and he just tells you or you ask your caddy at the conference and you know it's like how many yards to my release you know. Do I need a three iron to get out of here. That is that a thing at three iron. It would know three hundred sixty nine irons <hes> you know I wonder how it would impact the present or they're nine irons well. It just depends on what what bag you're in but yeah you you nine. Iron is the highest fired iron okay but then there are stuff there are there is many as three or four irons of increasing loft above that that are called pitching wedge and Sand Wedge Region Lob Wedge and gap wedge and things like that in some people like my father and me by the way we don't play with a three I am we play with the three hybrid is for people who need a little bit more help because it's hard to hit those long irons. These are the kind of conversations I'm having imprisoned by the way I'm I'm gonNA teach. I'm a gang leader. I'm T- Goddamn Golf prison. All that's your that's your in. That's I'll get into the prison and then you sneaking over there and digging the whole for me with the three. I don't use it adult. You use it up. I mean I level Christine and I got a little kerfuffle about you know in the wake of the the earthquakes and we were talking about the dynamic of why she she she's gathering all this earthquake stuff ordering it and I was like she. She's baffled by my just like I was acting in golf prison just Kinda. I'm okay it'll be fine if I ignore the fact of Golf prison. I think you'll be okay. And I'm like we know where where's that. Come from. I don't know I think it's a <hes> coping mechanism. I don't know what the word is. His codependency Earth is just laziness but like when you're ordering all that apocalypse stuff and and I was like hey you know can you double your order. You graciously did and I felt good about that. Feels good knowing that someone else's worrying about it and I said Christie is not that. I don't think it's valid is that I think that I trust you. I know that you're very attuned to like the dangers associated with and being prepared as much as possible so like I know I don't have to worry about that. I have this to a fault of this heightened sense offensive like brainpower allocation and if I start allocating brain power to like earthquake or apocalypse preparedness that's less. I've got to allocate towards something else like perfectly optimizing our vacation plans so that was my response to Christie. I was like I got this girl and I got this girl so let's not is. There's no imply judgment here that I but I it does make me look a little stupid. It's like you liberty but in the dream yeah well. I think it was the sleeves it was asleep. They were tate. You should've taped him should've gone sleeveless because that's a look I think would work in prison right. You really assert yourself has ever been a golfer and I'm not talking about imprison sleeveless address code. I got address coat golf and tennis. They need to keep they need to loosen up. Your shirt tucked in basketball. Players have to talk their shirt him but I think there's something to do with like I think it's just a safe disrespecting again. I think it's just like you don't have to wear roll well. You know you don't think tiger old farts trying to seem like they well no I. I don't necessarily think so. I think it's just it's a tradition but I think you know tiger wears that mock turtleneck low times like he has you know he wears red on Sunday and that's pushing the limit and I don't recall specifically but my my guess is is that it must have been controversial when he decided to wear that the first thing doesn't have a collared I mean maybe there was a discussion about the rules at that point. I don't know somebody looked at his shirt doesn't button and it creeps up to the bottom of was Adams APP. It's almost a turtleneck but it kind of feels like it's like just pretending to be a turtleneck. Let's call it a mock turtleneck okay well. That's not where we're GONNA talk about. We're not gonNA talk more about Goff in turtlenecks in prison or Goff prison. We're GonNa talk about whether or not were too nice and how that relates to some personal things and also some professional things. Are we two nights. I really don't know where this conversation where this conversation is going to go. I maybe we can not it up with it is true that we do find ourselves asking that question at times. There's different ways to look at this. I'm going to let you start in where you want them. Just kinda set the table because I think that there's our public look persona like part of our brands that were nice guys but I'd like to so we can explore that and it's not as public. It's yeah I do believe that his private and then obviously we can or the the the personal nature of Yeah I i. I think we're nice guys. Well my mode because we're suther is that just for one of the reasons we I think we talked at some point about you know our conflict avoidance in how that was sort of a deeply southern thing <hes> I think some of it is related to that I for me. The most interesting aspect of this conversation is <hes> professionally <hes> in how it relates to our content but I do because it's so fresh I do and it's it's very relevant. <hes> I wanNA tell the story that happen before my dream in was probably the meal that I was digesting when I had my dream okay which is a Saturday night dinner with my family now. I've never taken my entire family too big time <hes> <hes> and this was the first time to that had happened <hes> fry they they came in a little bit late and it turns out lock had couple of basketball games in Anaheim that we had to sit around four. I think I'd already said this just told so many people now I'm repeating things but so we spent their spend the night Saturday night and we were going to go grab some dinner and I was like <hes> we should do something. That's not like super close to vid calm because they'll be like you know they'll be a bunch of people from bitcon not technically you're got it really supposed to. We're supposed to be out about anywhere near Bitcon security concern right so they don't even let us do it in if you do then you've got that's another night we have to be nice yet to manufacture niceness for fans right breath and because you're so mean in real life which will get to later and so you're not restaurant Roy's. There's there's one in Pasadena. It's like a Hawaiian place. Never heard of <hes> I've seen it around is a chain that I think is not. Does it go outside of California. Maybe I don't know but we were. We wanted to go there a Hawaiian rescue. It's like a Hawaiian steakhouse like a like upscale Hawaiian restaurant a Hawaiian barbecue like strip mall situation and <hes> okay. Let's go there and didn't realize that it was actually very close to the convention center like he was far away from the hotel but it was close at the convention center and so I got a little bit nervous as we're pulling up but it was kind of late eight like there might be so then as we're driving past. It's sort of like outdoor mall kind of Area I do see a lot of landlords and this is kind of bitcon crowd and we'd just on our meet and greet <hes> in not that I don't have capacity I was actually just worried about kind of violating the rules honestly but I was also like the kids have been here haven't spent a lot of time with them and I kinda wanted to go have a nice dinner with them so I told Jesse as we were like pulling into the parking garage. I'm GonNa do thing that we talked about on Arlene Brown's K. Brown. We we just call it. The Sterling K. Brown that is the that is what it is right. It's in that is when if approached you say I'm with my family. I'm sorry like someone who wants a picture or somebody else an autograph autograph or whatever you just say I'm sorry I'm with my family and that's a very difficult thing. I don't know if you've instituted that how many times you've instituted that it's a very difficult thing for me to do because I am a nice guy right and I also for all all the reasons that we talked about in the past like I feel a sense of obligation to fans to to be nice and give him a moment now so I go in but I'm like I'm GonNa hold to this guy's. I'm going to do the sterling K.. Brown we get out of the in everybody's on board families onboard seemingly at the time <hes> we get out of the car we go to the elevator that is going to Roy got an elevator. No it was like there was a parking deck and then it was like an outdoor mall. You gotta go fucking backups. Roy Does have an elevator that I know of and we're getting ready to get on the elevator. My Dad has an elevator and his beach house. That's cool bragging and a woman a-and houses on stilts a mom and a little girl probably twelve immediate test come up. Now I recognize at least the mom I think both of them from the meet-and-greet they had just it's been the meet-and-greet I have thoughts but go ahead and but I kinda didn't remember that until after they went away be to be honest with you crowd they were the mean -gree two hundred fifty people. It's not you can't remember everybody Abed they remembered it. Uh so I said she comes up and she's like I saw them looking at me. Here we go a little girl comes up. She's got a bagging she's like would you please sign this and when you say here we go. You're like here. We go visit a test in front of my family. If I'm going to sternly K. Brown this moment yet okay. She has the bay she says. Will you please sign this and what's the what's. The family configuration is point because I think that's important. It's it's four people in my family. I know I mean physically where they stand. We're all standing outside of an elevator waiting for it to open okay and I will say that no one else was around okay. No one else was around but I literally in the car not just thirty seconds ghost. I'm Sterling K. Browning this situation. I'm not going off of that. Laura says can I can you please sign this and I was like I'm sorry I'm with my family. Okay okay okay. She looks a little upset little little shocked including the mom but they they were nice enough there. When you say family there Oh okay and then they kinda just went away we get on the elevator? Chevron says dad yeah that was a little girl and then like and then locks like yeah and nobody was around <music>. I'm like I'm doing this for y'all. Are you going to criticize me Dang because if you would have done it you've got an elevator and you imagined imagined it playing out as you to turn this. It was a little girl. There was no one else around right. I got so close to doing it but I was like. This is the first test and then what did they say well. It continued of course throughout tonight. The assessment of that was at the end of that or did they said it's you know what no no no. I said we're glad you did I feel bad. I've probably should've called an audible in that situation. I know I gotta read the environment better no but that's but that required too much thinking no no no no no. I was still right. I'm Your Voice Nice. Guy Your boys too nice. I think they didn't articulate what they felt which was prioritized man yeah. That's the point and you know what you did the right thing. You did the Nice thing you were nice to those that you love the most for one when the when we were walking the floor at vic kind you ask if if I've done the sterling K. Brown oh yeah yeah. I'll let you continue your story. I'm talking Lily because it was the certainly around thing happened to Lilly and Christie. You know it was like me going up to him. Saying you know my girls are big fans and then he's in the hidden easterly came brown me and I gained so much more respect for the guy who already had so much for right so lily Louis experienced you know being on the non receiving end of Sterling K. Brown personally and then so and we had this discussion about this can become a part of what I do so we're walking around the convention floor when it's just for creators in their families Nice but with a lot of a lot of creators in their families want to come up to us get pictures taken even in that environment actually actually checked in with you as we were going into the en- lily did I and she as we're walking issues like dad or are you gonNA. You're gonNA Sterling K. Brown. These people S K B s k._B._M.. And I was like Abbadi been thinking about that yes because they want to go to things they're like moving and then they turn around and I'm back taking a picture with somebody and it is very frustrating. It's like a perfect place to S K B and she asked me about it and I was like yeah I'm going to do that and then it immediately happened and I was like I'm here with my family and I gestured and they were walking ahead so it was like it was actually perfect. You see how you're holding me up right now. I'm trying to be when I can't even physically be with them like they're standing there in an elevator thinking that I'm the one making a mistake right and it felt good and I I did it. I saw lily turnaround and she heard me say it and then I caught up with them and there was just a little twinkle in the I know word needed to be said and it was like okay. You know what kids did not appreciate me in the same way I think in their heart they might at all I mean they debate is a little girl all right. Just go back on it. No I'm not going back on it and I will say that you kept doing it in the restaurant well on the way to the restaurant. Somebody asked I ask them and then in the restaurant there was a family that sitting there and you could see the discussion begin to happen. It's like when we're going to go over there. <hes> they waited until we we are like our desert said come or whatever we got our meal okay and I guess I was just lost heart by that point and they asked for a picture and say okay we can get quick one. I probably said in a very unenthusiastic way which made that unenthusiastic okay at the end of Bitcon your I'm drained unlike any literally just done the all of Saturday Saturday in Montgomery stuff. You know it does take because we do try to be there for people and be present and some people have story to tell that may be <hes>. We don't want people to not tell us is something that they say but it is it's unless you're a robot emotionally draining experience and you're kind of just ready to pull back from all that well if I may. I suggest that we skip from fan interactions to other types of niceties because I thought you can you tell us about Roy is I thought you were actually going to talk about the the most quintessential nicety which is how is your meal and I think that's another podcast. We did a whole podcast on that one so I don't want to camp out there but I think I see I still cannot say like toe the Party line of Niceness and say because here here's the deal. The opposite of Nice is not mean in this conversation. The Opposite of Nice is not being a jerk or being cold hearted. The Opposite of Nice is what will sometimes honesty honesty and you know it's. It's so hard to do it because you just and I I think if I'm totally honest if with myself now about being honest with the waiter it's like well you know the meal wasn't that great. I was disappointed in the so and so it automatically it. The reason why I don't like doing it is because it just makes you seem like an entitled jerk kind of like talking about how you get fans and you don't WanNa be nice to well. That's the risk right. That's why we don't talk and sometimes when I'm sure we talked about this when we talked about it but and sometimes it's just not worth it but you know I had this happened to me when I was in North Carolina Reta restaurant just yesterday and I and it was one of the situations we with it was a waterfront restaurant. We're sitting there and then about ten minutes into all we had was drinks at the time <hes> waiter comes up and it was like. Would you like to move closer to the water and again. It's very difficult to not take that as like is it because they knew I am or there's being nice to me and <hes> it's a problem you know it turns out it was because the manager was a fan. That's how we got the table upgrade but what's your point you. You refused it. No no I took it but then the waitress asked me what <hes> what he wants to drink like is like a second drinker. Whatever and I was like <hes> the bars got mess? Cal Right I was like is for mets cow sour which thanks to our good friend Jaden he introduced me to that drink. I really early like it. One of my favorite liquors smokey and you could see on her face immediately. She didn't really know exactly what I was talking about. Maybe hadn't heard that before. Oh I think the bartender will build a figure something out the bring me a drink long story short I drank get to drink was really not good at all and when she came back and asked how's that drink. I was like you know Oh you did it. It's not great you get it. Yeah man just listen to the personal growth on this podcast but here's the thing I felt like an asshole your face. He really scrunched up even when you retailed it because I got an a table upgrade yeah just take it. We'll take what you can get at this point but the thing is that I I kinda wanted her to know that if somebody orders this drink and you give them this they angled happy way. Did she say and she was. Oh Okay I in in here's where the Nice Guy came as I and you are probably drink it. Did I'll probably drink. I kept drinking it. That's odd. I know that too nice. Well okay this morning to Nice. My name is denies Nice Money Denies. That's kind of the rhythm of the song if I remember it correctly. I'm doing the too nice stuff you could do the deny stuff head to Uber in this morning texting you I was like can I get a ride. I was working out man nothing. And My Apple Watch batteries. I'm looking at I'm looking at the phones like nothing like you. Were texting Stevie like I was on a three you and Stevie and you were texting and then I'm on this other thread like right below and I'm like can I get nothing and I'm like what what's going on and then I'm like question mark sin I did and then you're like still talking to st you weren't you're talking about being at the gym you you were ghosting my ride text. I actually Uber D- I didn't you see any of your tax ghost. What was doing is I would check in in between like vow were in golf prison? I was working out and then shower and then you're gonna come through never saw until the very end got through in my shower. <hes> you had over into cars. Were here man he ate. I hate hate writing in cars where other people are driving because I'm so much better at it and everybody. I don't know why like I'm trying. I'M GONNA get I'm sure I'll get into it later teaching lily to drive. I'll leave that out of this that that's a whole other podcast. I just pry myself on like Sabina smooth drive people. I don't know how to stop and go they. Don't they really don't they. Don't think you need to drive like you've got an egg. If you balancing on the Dashboard and make an enjoyable ride the D._M._v. should sell those yeah you'd break the egg. You lose your license. Well you know what I I'm going to carry one around whenever I'm in a car this being shelf. Are you break this egg. I'll give you two stars like an Uber Uber Egg Greg Yeah Uber should sell it or lift the lifting that just sounds like you're stealing an egg though okay could be called the rideshare egg well like we we were riding in in an uber or to the airport and I'm like if you're a professional driver. You should be able to dry professionally. I mean it. You should be good at it but nobody gets to get into the details. I can't that are stopping and going Carson. They don't ever back no one teaches that and no one is honest about it and also control Bro. Could you learn to slow down more smoothly and speed up and don't keep tapping your break every five six the guy did you notice it was it was me Stevie and we we were going to be. We're going to the airport and we never we never talked about it but I don't know if you noticed at one point in the middle of our conversation we were. He was like herky-jerky around and I'm like I start like violently gesturing with my hands like behind him in the seat might just like so angry because I was getting sick right. I just don't enjoy it but I did you know and I was so close to say in something like he was so friendly. We got in the car introduced himself. I was like you know what if I would've remembered his name then I might say something now like Rafael. Would you mind. We're not in that big of a hurry. So would you mind I I don't I couldn't formulate what I would say but because I didn't know his name I gave up but let's say I didn't know his name. I still don't know what I would have said that was nice but still got my point across. which is hey man? We're Rafael L.. We're how you do this. I don't know Ravi. Oh we're not in a hurry and I'm I'm prone to car sickness. Can you just make it more about me and like my shortcomings that would be helpful. I'm prone to car sickness KNESS and the real they're not in a hurry Turkey. jerky stopping and going is very trump. Just stay in one lane and smooth it out. I mean change lanes if we need to get into like going on different road but otherwise all this all this aggressive aggressive stuff is is not making me like you more but you know it'd be easier if your hair off l.. Here's an egg. Could you just yes. Yes and you know what if the egg falls you get to stars in the he'd be like got it. You know I that point this this idea now. It's not just a regular egg and I realized that an egg roll off it's an egg that sitting on a little little little pedestal pedestal and then it it can teeter off in any way it's natural state is to be balanced and you know if there's a sudden stop but I didn't say anything yeah. Here's an even more pointed example this morning on the Uber almost sat in the front seat but then it drastically increases the chances that I have to talk to the driver so I sat in the backseat and I got carsick because the guys herky-jerky and all over the place like busting the egg that I don't Oh have because the brilliant idea not been hatched <hes> but that wasn't the thing the thing was he's getting into Carpool Lane. I was like Oh this is good. We're passing a lot of people on the I don't know the one thirty four whatever that is and then it's like we gotta get on the five but he's over here in the one thousand four and I look at his G._P._S. and you can get out of the Carpool Lane. It's got the dotted lines like this is the place that he needs to get over to get to take my exit onto. The five can't wait too late and he's Darden and he's going so fast and I look at G._P._S.. In first of all he had a G._P._S. and most of them I'm do but you'd be surprised how many drivers never look at the G._P._S. because it's down on their lap or somebody had it mounted up there so I could see it and I'm like okay this guy I like this guy in it's still said one thirty four so it was not telling him to get on the five live yet in the next few yards. It actually did change but by that point he was. He was trapped in the Carpool Lane and could not legally exit but I'm seeing all this unfold and we're we're. We're back a couple of notches. It's still telling him to say on in the Carpool Lane or on the one thirty four I know he needs to exit but I couldn't say anything just like for the previous ten minutes. It was hot as Haiti's in the back seat and I could not bring myself to ask him to turn the A._C.. Up Really I'm not now seeing you do that with a driver. I'm having internal dialog. I'm not worth worth. It's not worth it. Somehow me asking him to change the A._C.. Would be is not nice. It's like it's you know I'll blame you. You've guilted me into not put him up. He'll Yaragi already on the people but so well and then so I couldn't even tell him to exit and then he's like he's going straight and he's trapped in the Carpool Lane. I'm like this is going to add fifteen to twenty minutes to my ride disastrous Korla. This could be the end of the win so I'm like <hes>. I really think you need to get you need to take this exit but there's no real way out of the Carpool Lane. He's and at that point the G._P._S. changed to say he needed to exit and he just broke the lawn. Just did it and I'm like. I'm so glad he did that like even if he broke the at that point I would have given five stars. He's like going over and I'm like yeah you know. The G._P._S. is always late at this point. I'm totally lying. I'm making Donald Not true. I'm totally making this up making it. Feel good yeah the G._P._S.. The only thing I've said of the guy besides that was your exit was then at the G._p._S. is always late at this point and it's difficult because you're trapped in the Carpool lane and he's like what did he say since something weird and I was like. Is he talking to me or himself. It was like it was basically like I'm fine man. It was like that so I'm fine man. I've done this before and I I don't need your commentary and I was like wow it's not encouragement. I think I you know he was saying he didn't need he didn't need the the emotional support that you were offering. Probably didn't it's just I'm so it's just hard to tell the driver what you want. It's like is he my driver at this moment like <hes> you you know what you should be in the far. I have so many opinions you know I do know and it's like but even I even I am overridden with niceness at that point to a fault well. I has an exit and stuff I <hes> I also Alberton and <hes> at obiter the gym in the Newburgh from the gym to here and so two different drivers this morning and <hes> driver number one I said in the front seat because he had a very small car and I was like sometimes sometimes in the backseat with me. My head will hit the ceiling yeah. He most cars actually get to tin unease and <hes> you know there was some small talk about the weather and I was like is this GonNa turn into a conversation conversation. In of course I'm hoping that he brought up the weather. 'cause you're in the front seat and I'm inviting this but I was told that you can indicate on the APP. If you want if your conversations or not and I know I I said that looked into that you said you're not conversational. I I was told that that option I have not so I ended up just kind of getting on my phone and and <hes> and then I started thinking again I feel like if you look at a pie chart of my brain activity at this point at least ten percent sometimes revving up to thirty to forty percent of my brain activity is focused on what this guy thinks excuse me in an isn't even in the context of what his rating is going to be of me. It's literally like does this guy going to think. I'm a jerk because I'm on my phone the whole time or is he going to think that I'm like addicted to my phone. Like why do I care and air even saying Nice. Things is not really about being nice as and maybe this is the key to unlocking some new practice is the realization that are niceties are are are much more about us and about shaping perception than it is about actually being nice to somebody being kind to somewhat. I think a lot of is just rooted in Ego yet do I. I think there is there. There is a a very human thing to do but I think that one of the reasons that sometimes you may interpret an older person as being blunt or not nice. Sometimes they are just jerks but I think in a lot of cases it's that they have actually lost some of their ego as they've gotten older which if you're healthy I think is the direction that you should be heading in that. You're getting less and less about yourself and more and more about others as you you get older and so I do think that I like to use the word candidness because I do think that sometimes that's what it is just like. This person told me what they thought this in again. It's not being being super. I do think that sometimes being super particular about things and then expecting everybody to fall in line. That can become an annoying thing right but I don't think that's what asking somebody to adjust the temperature. If you're hot in an Uber is about I think he's like like what kind of don't WanNa be burning up here and I know that this person probably actually does care about what temperature it is. Something drivers ask you is it okay. Is it okay back there so it's not it's reasonable and not jerky to say something about it but I think that a big part of it is this reputation management with people that you'll never see again which is weird yeah but it's just this wanting so badly to be liked into not ruffle feathers that you ended up doing a disservice to people. <hes> and I do think that we find yourself because you're blazing up in the back seat. I think that's a term for smoking. We not what I mean right yeah but I think there's also a button. I'm for that on the APP. My name is D- Nice. I'm going to blaze up. Just be ready. I'm a conversationalist blazer. I've never thought about that but I have thought about. Can I just bring Jaden Uber. This is just as tangent but I was wondering that this morning and again for niceness. I was like I would think so. I don't WanNa negative rating because this whole rating thing is part of it to like. It's a quantified version of what we're talking about. This like I'm GonNa Treat treat you in a way not that I want to be treated or just because you're another human than I want to be nice to. I WANNA treat you in a way so that you will give me a good rating. That's messed up man. I literally think about my rating on Uber. I have no clue clue what it is and I don't think it has any bearing on anything. I don't know when it comes into play and I don't know when people can make a conclusion about it. I don't just sitting in my lap. She'd be here right now. I don't think it would be a problem. I guess there are some Uber May maybe it may be all plenty of people who have a problem with the dog in their car. Maybe all rideshare operators have to be okay with dogs. Maybe they indicate that somewhere on the APP may be. I don't know that's a good question. You don't know the especially with Joe. It's like jade is not you know a giant dog. If you have a great Dane or hidden wouldn't even know she was there <hes> yes so I mean what about niceness when it comes to content because you know the stuff that we create that their entire channels built on well of course his entire channels build on drama. I'm not really I'm not talking about drama as much as I don't know. I guess this is <hes>. This is like a bordering bordering territory to it that I'll just call hot hot takes man. You know you've got an opinion on something and you've you know so much and it's not just digital content but like radio for years television all types of talk content is so we can talk about as it relates to ear. Biscuits is successful because it's just it's it's hot takes its its opinions. It's I mean and a a Lotta Times is there's a lot of it could be like some. It's supercharged with some vitriol some anger some some bitterness some <hes> just like complaints like the opposite of being nice as being brutally honest or just having a punchy opinion and that's not maybe we started to do a little bit of that but not really. I think that when we on your biscuits we Kinda we resist the urge to like. Give our unfettered opinions on things because I do. You think there's a niceness component there what was going on there. Are we to nice when it comes to our content. Oh I think there's I think that I think that's part of it. <hes> I think is really complex because I do think that there is something about our personalities naturally whether it's niceness or however you would want to describe it that we don't tend to be <hes> we're both opinionated opinionated for sure but when it comes to types of opinions and hot takes that would be the kind of thing that would <hes> people would care about on the Internet. That's not really a natural part of our dialogue. We don't spend a lot of time thinking and talking about about those things but also think that because we were so focused on just making people laugh in for a number of reasons and we'll probably do a podcast on this at some point like why are we approached our content the way we did in early days in like y you know why it started so family friendly like more family friendly than it is now still generally family friendly but it was like Mike squeaky-clean g. rated from the very beginning yeah. I think you attract a certain audience. Oh these guys are going to do something that never offends people and is just all about being lighthearted and then when you build a fan base around that you kind kind of cornered yourself a little bit whereas you know in one of the things that Harley from epic mealtime said probably at this table <hes> was that you kinda get what you give to your audience you get back what you give when he gives his tone especially at the time was very like harsh towards his audience and you kind of attract people who'd like that kind of thing you know Kinda. Give it back so I think that we've we've actually developed a pretty nice community community because the content isn't vitriolic in any way and that's and we're proud of that. That's that's a good thing me saying that right. Now is like oh I don't want to I don't want to. I don't want to seem Mike. I'm being critical of our of our core audience or an aspect of our a contingent of are honest taste well here. Here's where I think that here's a perfect example of 'cause I'm not being. Critical where I think that the audience that we cultivated in how nice they were in our for the most part created a content problem for us and that is whether local commercials right. We've talked about this a number of that's a case study <hes> we've. We've never really been into prank content per se we did that one pranked video or we've done a number of like all of our man on the street video yeah they were were they're kind of prank inspired and they're kind of people feel awkward. There based on making normal people fill a little bit out of sorts and getting some laughs at their expense not in a super mean-spirited way but for some people anything in that around mean spirited and the nature of low commercials that we made back in the day and then on commercial kings which is still back in the day. This is a longtime ago of course we use real businesses and real people from those businesses and the thing that we found so funny is when we put normal we'll people into these situations these ridiculous sort of structures that we created for them and they just did their thing. You're kinda laughing at slash with them and everybody ends up being happy and it's good for business and people people love the result but one of the reasons not clear cut a lot of people are uncomfortable with is because a really really strict interpretation of is that you're you're laughing at these people. You're having fun in humor at their expense in some people are not comfortable over that at all so now we are both very comfortable with that is a little bit of a generational thing. I do think that the younger generation is much less comfortable with it. Although I will say that even though I didn't encourage bridge this like my kids are much like I was at their age like some people can't watch the show that we talked about <hes> on impractical jokers. Some people can't wash that because they're like I just don't like to see anybody made to feel uncomfortable. They love it. Yeah they think is great <hes> but we ended up stopping doing those commercials because we just ended up getting one of the reasons was we just ended up getting so much pushbacks people would be like this doesn't seem like this isn't the the stuff that I like you guys for for this just seems a little bit mean mean spirit and so we just were okay well. It's not like we have to keep doing this. We did a bunch of it. We can move onto something else. Yeah I so I do think that that is is an example of our niceness in general no and especially in things like G._M.. Cultivating audience that then couldn't really take the non nice content <hes> yeah and I was talking Erin from game Gump's and he was talking about his there there talk show which <hes> you know is inspired format wise Baio mythical morning ten minute power hour which were big fans of any was talking about how he said Yeah. It's you know he was talking about the genome influence on on how they created but he was like but you know we've got the tone is a little different because we got a bit more of that f you energy like you guys don't really have like f you energy and I was saying something about their red contingent and and he was like you know the people that respond to that are the people who then they'll like f you in the comments but then and when we looked at how much merch we were selling we they had a whole they have a whole reddit thread that them or none of their crew has anything to do with because it's it's just all the fans who who just hate on them but he said that a remarkable percentage of course. I don't remember the number because I don't. I don't have mental capacity. Remember other people's numbers right. You're talking about your vacation he. He said that it was the big contingent of merch sales are from those people who are like constantly F. U.. F. You because they're like they're very invested in their fans. You know it's just a different yet. What you give and it's you know I'm a little little envious of of that energy because I don't know it from a comedic standpoint? It seems I I don't know what the word is. It just seems more emphatic comedic -ly emphatic you no when you're when you're doing something that can be is edgy or so quite literally edgy so it pushes you either one way or the other right. It's easy to subconsciously feel feel like that's a more legitimate form of comedy because it sending you in one of two directions either love or hate versus just like <hes> like I think when we're you know our tone it's it's very welcoming so you can tolerate it. You know as like we're someone may be left and I think that we ended up compensating for it a little bit because again if we were just completely ourselves throw caution to the wind we would be more offensive. Uh we are I mean if if if we were if there was no guard up at all as to what is a more broadly appealing welcoming sort of tone it would be a more caustic tone a just would be of course we have more opinions than we share here yet any that people are going to say they want more of that. Well and you might think that whether we're talking you might say well that would come. I can see that coming from red but from link no the real reality is it would come from would come from both I don't WanNA speak from for yeah. No it's not just the thing that comes from the bidder Tallin <hes> but you know interestingly <hes> you're you're also kind of talking about. <hes> you know cop like stand up comedy as an example the purest form of comedy right which we've never really I mean we do it kind of but we haven't done traditional stand up definitely not alone thought farts with appears former comedy go ahead <hes>. Are you saying that because my seat just made a forty noise now just making a joke <hes> the whole give and take that you have an audience and the fact that if you're going to speak up at two a comedian he or she is going to rip you a new one and that's part of the act heckling and then responding to hecklers as part of being a gray standup and a certain type stand up though I I don't think that applies Austin well well no even even though the nicest comedian like Brian Regan even the nicest comedian a gaffe is not going gaffe again. Okay is not ah I guarantee you that when he does his life stand up and somebody heckles him that he gets the best of them because you can't exist now. How mean-spirited is it? You know it's even when we kind of do that. When on tour are you know? We don't do anything this like ridiculously. <hes> you know vindictive or whatever but if you if you're if you're going to have the courage to speak up at our tour we're going to do in something. That's GonNa make you make people laugh at you and but it's all in good fun. I don't want to get into a place where we're not willing to dislike light. Ribbing is no longer allowed but but how I think the question is is like how does it work. Its way into the content. What are we afraid eight of and you know? How do you navigate it because just another quick? Data point is when we were guest on the h Lee podcast big fans of Ethan in EELA and they're growing family of sons in dogs or they got one of each. It's hot take central over there. It's in it's it's extremely entertaining like it's it's hot takes for the sake of entertainment. That's why I enjoy it. It's almost like taking a position just for laughs a lot of time <hes> not all the time in so being on there was like I you know I think when it comes to the type of things they talk about your more informed and more opinionated about those specific things so that felt like more of an outlet for you to be there then a differ me but <hes> I think there were other things that would that will get me going probably germs are you doc but <hes> or herky-jerky Uber drivers but the type of stuff they talk about something that like I mean we don't go into that stuff on our podcast. Smash does some of that on their podcast <hes> because it is it is a great way to to develop a fan base if if you're interested in talking about things but it's it's it I don't you tell me what you think. I don't think that's a place where we've we've made a decision that that's not what that's not a place that we go you know and I'm not talking about Youtube drama as much as like current event hot take type stuff where it's you you. You cannot be nice. You cannot come across his nice. That's not that's not part of the equation in those conversations well I feel like trying to incorporate drama or commentary about controversial things into what we're currently doing would be a little bit of a betrayal and I because I feel like there's so so much of that right now because we're not we're not just throwing what we create into into a vacuum like we it is experience in the greater context of Internet and entertainment in general and we are so polarize right now right so I is is opinionated as I am and as <hes> bitter as I can be about some things I do think there's something to be said for the fact that our show in our content in general is something people can come together over around people have differing backgrounds people have differing political opinions opinions should be able to come to our show and be like this is something that we can agree on and I do think there's power in this. Some people call it a cop out. Some people say you're doing that just so you can make more money and have a broadly appealing product. I actually personally I think we both <hes> speak for both of us but I know that that's something I care about is. I don't like the disunity in our world in our country. It's needed now more than ever. <hes> and I think that something that brings us together and I do think that we have kind of special especially <hes> equipped to Kinda bring people together. You know we understand multiple perspectives. You know having embodied multiple multiple perspectives over the course of our lives and I think that <hes> that position a position to be like hey it's not all these people aren't bad in all. These people are bad. It's like hey look like there's like let's have a dialogue. There are some things that we can agree on now. We don't up talking directly about those things very often <hes> but so I do think it would be a little bit of deserves to be like all of a sudden. We're going to be talking about all this stuff and we're going to be throwing our opinions out there and you know blasting people who disagreed like that's just not the spirit of what we do but I do think the thing that the one of the reasons that like what Ethan in you would do is appealing or what game groups does is appealing is because it's more fun to just let your guard down. It's more fun to just be honest and N._B.. Like I don't really care about the impact of the consequences because I'm just being myself to have a little filter in Garland everything you say it's a little bit tiresome so I do think they as you get older and I think this is one of the reason that there's there is more Innuendo <music> as an example in all of our content now than there was when we started is because you know what when we talk privately there is a lot of Innuendo like that we just I we both fine sexual innuendo to be very funny and we use used a lot of it in our normal private lives so we also did when we were in seven always done it remember the very beginning but we haven't done in our content right and until it's just you you fifteen hundred sixteen hundred episodes so you just become a little bit more yourself and I think that there's something freeing about that and that's the place I think the sexual innuendoes a place where we've without we've talked about it salmon. We we continue to talk about the ways is that we the lines the ways that we will incorporate innuendo in the ways we want so we know what like what are best practices are use the corporate term but in an effort to conclude this conversation. I think that it's a need to have a prolonged thought. We've got time yeah in an effort to come to a conclusion. I think that we can we I I. I feel good with the summary that you've given of. Hey we're we're. We're trying to create things in conversations where it can it can be an outlet for for anybody. That's simple well. I I would say that that's a principle that applies to our content. We don't want to be a you know a dividing force. We don't want to be a polarizing force in the world because there's enough of that already the doesn't mean that there are some things that we considered to be the non-political but just human issues that need to be addressed that we will take a stand on and talk about <hes> and that's at our discretion as we see fit but I think that as time goes by we will continue can you to be more and more ourselves yeah. I think it is yeah. The balancing point just to piggyback on that is yeah. We're we're not going to be fake. We're not going to be nice and Li- by lie through our teeth just to be nice you know we're I want. I WanNa be nice when I actually mean what I'm saying. I don't want to say anything that do not mean so I think in that's why we that's why we choose our topics conversation and I think that you know <unk>. I've Seen U._C._S.. You see the chatter in the speculation. Sometimes when people are trying to figure out like what you know what things lead to the evolution of the show over time or the way we talk and I think one of the accusations that can be levied sometimes times is that Oh you guys are continuing to push the boundaries because you want your content to be more accepted or you're you're. You're doing this to get more attention or to give people to care about. You and I think that well the reality. The is that we've kind of always talk this way but the longer we do it. The more the layers get pulled back and you see who we are an I personally. That's something that I I mean. I've been focusing on this personally a lot just through therapy. Honestly it's just like getting out of my head getting into my heart living more from a place of feeling because I've done enough thinking I've done a lot of thinking <hes> and I think part of that is continuing to Kinda. Let go a what people think about u continuing to have your ego hopefully continue to be drained as you get older <hes> and I think just a natural result of that is that you just going to be more of yourself Elf in so the things that we do our a result of trying to be provocative of trying to get more views R- always going to be trying to get more views with just what you know. We're trying to be successful but it's really us being more of ourselves and I think ultimately type back to the original question is that we're not as Nice as you think we are. If you thought we were really nice and that's a broad word but I think that if some of their is a core niceness that as that that we're we're striving to be nice as long as it's true to who we to ourselves yeah Hashtag your biscuits. Let us know <hes> what you think joining on the conversation wrecks in effect. I'll give a music wreck been listening to Bahamas. I don't think I've wrecked Bahamas. I think we've talked about it personally because I'm like we used to really be in Jack Johnson that like laid back you talk about about Roy in his Hawaiian vibe with his elevator. Elevator goes slow. Would you're listening to some Jack Johnson back in the day. Bahamas is Kinda like my updated. Jack Johnson and the specific song that I'm going to recommend mend is got a turn. Turn my take it out of airport mode. I know it's airplane mode off. The Album Bahamas is athey. I think that's the guy's first name A. f. e. all the times a good song but stronger than that you start listening to that song and it sounds like islands in the Stream Kenny Rogers Dolly Parton duo duet and then I mean you think he's just going to start singing like like Kenny Rogers but then he doesn't are they from the Bahamas. He seems like Bahamas. It's one guy is he from the Bahamas. No I think he just channels that vibe. I can't say but <hes> if you like that vibe check it out especially that song yes. Thanks for your sticking with us for listening to this conversation that we didn't.

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Introducing: "Hollywood, The Sequel"

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Introducing: "Hollywood, The Sequel"

"Hey I. can you listeners here as we all know? Hollywood is shut down. Its village is overall. Production has stopped crafty as God cold funding for new projects. It's tough to come by. There has never been a better time therefore to talk through the entertainment industry's issues than right now, and that is exactly what Hollywood the sequel. A new podcast from La Studios has set out to do. That's right baby Hollywood. The sequel is reimagining Hollywood okay now it's on Hollywood this sequel journalists John Horn toxic some of the most important and up and coming actors, producers and directors about what we can expect the future of Hollywood. Hollywood to look like and more importantly how it should look you know that doesn't mean they're ASCII love, but that's okay, because they're asking the important questions like will there be greater representation for women and for people of Color will. There be returned to more small and intimate movies were Libya permanent shift towards streaming and away from movie. Theaters are YouTube tiktok and podcast reshaping the media landscape once and for all of us a kid movie theaters rebound from shutdown with streaming and social distance as a norm. This limited series sets out to answer those questions and more in an early episode of Hollywood the sequel features. Carrie Washington. Yes, Carrie, Washington Olivia, Pope Queen of crying with Aligned Glass herself as she discusses shifting institutional practices, the black lives matter movement and black artists in Hollywood's Paula's. About her netflix movie, American Sun Streaming General and her thoughts on Hollywood reopening, and right now you're about, hear that episode of Hollywood the Sequel With Carrie Washington. If you like what you hear, download the rest of the show for free from L. A. dot com slash. SEQUEL THAT IS L. A. I. S. T. dot com slash Hollywood the sequel or wherever you listen to podcasts enjoy. The power of art of the power of narrative is that has the ability to. To allow us a window into a world, that may not be obvious to us. And those windows can help us build halfway to more compassion and understanding for each other's journeys. Earn producer Kerry Washington when we say that we're committed to diversity its diverse from what? We're still centering whiteness as the most important thing and allowing or inviting diversity around that. I'm really proud to work in a medium that can help to transform people's ideologies and hearts and and consciousness, but I'm also proud to be doing work to help shift institutional practices, 'cause it's going to take both approaches for us to live in a world where equality is not just a dream. I'm John Horn asked the entertainment industry begins the slow process of returning to work. Will there be as Carrie. Washington says a real shift in institutional practices. Can there be a different and more diverse Hollywood? We know because of the krona virus. There will be changes in how people do that work. But what about the work itself? How far will the industry reset? Actually go? This, is Hollywood the sequel? To our new podcast from La Studios. Each week were sitting down with some of the sharpest minds in the entertainment business to talk about where Hollywood might be headed as it returns to work. We'll get into the external changes for production marketing distribution, and with a movie theater business in tatters. What even defines ahead? We'll also explore. The biggest question of all. Will there be systemic change that finally corrects the inequalities that may have been acknowledged that hardly repaired. and. That's where we'll begin this first episode with actor and Producer Carrie. Washington you know her from the TV series scandal? We spoke initially in mid-may, and we'll share that conversation in a bit, but after the killings of George Floyd Brianna Taylor and Ahmad arbitrary and the protests against police, brutality and systemic racism that followed we wanted to get carries thoughts on how this moment might affect the entertainment industry and America itself I. Think One of the things that is challenging to. METABOLIZE is. Not that much has changed for black people in the last couple of weeks. But there's a different response to it. And so I think. The sentiments of the moment that feel revelatory. I don't feel like those feelings belong to me this. This is not a moment of revelation, but I'm watching the revelation. Unfold around me for people. And I'm grateful that that as a not even as a country, but that the world is showing up for black lives. In a different way. But this is what what has been the reality. This level of danger and anger and fear and Maybe trauma lack of safety like these have been the realities for black Americans since there were black Americans. There are fundamental differences between a moment and a turning point and I'm wondering optimistically even. Is there a way that real change not only in the country, but also in the business that you work in. Can come out of this. I think so I mean I think I. can hope so. I mean we're not none of us. Have a crystal ball. It'll be the historians that tell us years from now whether this was a flash point or a turning point. But I. IT feels it certainly feels for me like something is different and like we have to be willing. To look at ourselves regardless of what industry were in. What do you hope comes out of it? And what are you hope changes I mean what what would you say would mark progress or change I? Think a a more radical acceptance of Anti Racist Society Policies and culture, because I think what people are realizing that it's not enough to just not be racist that because our institutions. Were built. In the fabric of racism because our country was born, you know with. Black Americans being designated a fraction of human being like it's. It's not enough to just not be racist. We have to be actively anti-racist. and for that desire to come from. A deep. Understanding that we all deserve full rights of humanity. Yes, all lives matter, but accepting that to be an anti racist society. We have to affirm that black lives matter. I think that's I think that's where we're at. People are are finally kind of understanding that and our institutions need to understand that not just interpersonal relationships. It's important that we're having those conversations that our dinner tables and in our classrooms, but also at the highest levels in our systems of government and our systems that are supposedly built for public safety. We've to ask ourselves who we deem. The public who do we deem the enemy. so. I I'm hoping that I'm hoping that that this all of this new. revelatory reflection lends itself to transformation, not just the hearts and minds, but also institutional practices and those institutions can include. Arts organizations like the theater industry. Because there's this letter Hashtag, we see you which calls out racism in the theater signed by people like Sterling K. Brown, is a ray. Lin Manuel Rand. I think you shared it on twitter. What comes out of that in the best possible outcome to me, it seems really obvious like. We look at. To get better and do better like that's the that's the practice of self. Reflection is to ask ourselves how we can do better so i. mean even the language of inclusivity and diversity right? It's like. When we say that we're committed to diversity its diverse from. We're still centering whiteness as the most important thing and allowing or inviting diversity around that or when we talk about inclusivity, they're still an in and then out, so we're still centering certain kinds of people, and you know maybe in tiny fractions, allowing or admitting other people to the table, so there's just so much of it that needs to be reexamined and and look bad and and I mean the. The simple answer is what I hope comes out of. It is a lot of good. That we can see each other better and have courage to make room for each other. Coming up during the pandemic streaming services became a lifeline for film lovers and a huge challenge for the movie theatre owners and the studios, but those digital platforms also turned into an unexpected gift for some filmmakers including Carrie Washington. What happens when Hollywood returns to whatever the new normal is going to be? So one thing we know about the story line. Of Hollywood, the sequel is that where we see movies and when we'll be full a twist. The plan release dates for. All the bigger summer films have come and gone while movies like Christopher. Nolan's tenant have tried to stay on the calendar. But even if theaters are starting to open, we'll movie goers really return, would you? Meantime. The streaming services are adding millions of subscribers, and there are plenty of filmmakers like Kerry Washington, who see the advantages of an online showcase over eight theatrical premiere. Netflix was a huge boost for her film American son. It's about a couple trying to find out what the police have done with. Their teenage child Washington plays the mother in the film. My son is missing now. You're telling me he's in custody. No, he might built. We don't know that yet. We don't really know any really don't know much. Power. You're going to have to be patient and wait for the am liaison officer together you almost half an hour before I even got to speak to you. Understand your. Sir I don't think you do them. I have kids to. Do Our old, are they? Well them black. You know a movie like American son that would have been a tiny movie as an art house release in only major cities, and a few were eyeballs would have seen it by putting that film on Netflix. It immediate shop. Expectations from everybody in my expectations, Netflix's expectations, the number of eyeballs on it were tremendous, and in places that normally don't have art house theaters like all across the south, and it over performed in Europe and it over performed in Africa, and so, and this is a movie called American sons. We didn't necessarily have a lot of international expectation for it, but I think part of that is is. Is Sort of the the international brand of scandal and and people wondering what would be my next project after that, but also the power of these streaming services, and the fact that this it's in people's homes and so being able to share a story leg that two with that many people. It's really exciting, and it allows for something like that to break through to have an audience in. Zimbabwe be watching a film transformation of a Broadway play about a black family in America. Is it really is? At. Taking so the last time we talked it was in Park City Utah, Sundance Film Festival and you had a documentary there that you produce called the fight. That was a movie that was obviously a long time in the making, and it premiers in January the Sundance Festival. But I suspect it's going to be received differently today, because this is a movie about five ACLU. Lawyers who are challenging the trump administration, and it's really about individual liberties and protecting them and protecting the people who are the most foldable, and it just feels to me like how relevant that story has become has quadrupled in the last couple of months, but I'm wondering if you think it might be received differently or that, its message has evolved in some way since we've all been locked up since so much has happened in the world. You know I think. It's one of the things I'm so. Proud of In the film is that. We definitely deal with the right now, everything. You were going through right now while we were filming, but we also. This is the ACLU's one hundred year anniversary and in the gum. We really covered some of the complicated. Or the Acer new and how they have. Really been on the front lines of protecting civil liberties for decades and hurts for ten decades and and in some really complicated issues and complicated times so. I think that we are going to continue to need them and to rely on their expertise in their courage and kind of getting to know them better. It's time to Julie Exciting I. THINK IS WE DO press for the film to to have people be able to interact with these loners and learn more about these lawyers learn what they're doing in these times for example. I mean as you can. Imagine Dale in the movie who who's dealing with issues of voting rights of pertains to the census now his hands are full with all kinds of new issues around voting rights voting by mail, and making sure that we protect our access to voting in this. Really upside down time before we were living in this upside down time, if there was a movie coming out or maybe at a series or feature film. You did publicity and you got attention for it. Maybe you would do a junket. You might go on a talk show. You might do a lot of things that really you can't do anymore. So when you think about how challenging it is to get the word out on anything right now. What are the work arounds I? Mean we're talking, but obviously not in person or connecting over. Over a computer, how do you reach people when you don't have the normal tools that you had in the past when you really are trying to get people to think about and share your story, or it's going to be really interesting I, remember in the you know our premier for little fires everywhere was canceled and maybe two or three days later, the state home orders happened. And I just remember that first week we were really in throws of what was supposed to be a big glitzy launch producers. We were all talking every night. What are we going to do? And at the same kind of the late night talk shows we were trying to figure out. What are we gonNA Jukes? We had tons of appearances canceled I was supposed to be New York enduring bowland or actually Colbert and so it's been a really interesting time as everybody figures out how. Stay engaged remotely. We're kind of riding that wave on on various zoom calls and instagram lives and Like just trying to use. Technology. So, one of the things that I think is true about what we're going through is. People might be doing things that they might not ordinarily do it could be. Maybe reading books, reaching out to other people could be learning something new and I was reminded of something that happened on instagram where people were asking you how your scandal character? Olivia Pope would have handled the crisis and you told a story about Fanny Jackson Coppin. So who is she? And why is she important to you? So. Yeah, you know whenever there are these. Moments of big crisis in culture. It happened after the election in two thousand sixteen. Happen for Kobe. people tend to think that I actually can fix things. Can't what I know, darn? But I wanted to use. I wanted to use that kind of interest and expectation from people to highlight some real life. People who quote handled it like the approach so it's going to. I'm going to post a few degree. Believe history diverse person that I talked about was. Any Jackson copying who she was. Born into slavery, she's an amazing educator and missionary, actually unsheath advocated for a higher education, were wacky bill and women of Color. and she's just she was released. Self taught and courageous and brilliant, and she's the first GLAC principal back to be a principal. So, what does that mean in terms of how people might discover something new? Do you feel like you have a chance now to be a little bit of a history teacher? So I, mean I just think it's fun. You know I I think we can get into trouble when we rely on imaginary characters to save us I think we can wind up in a lot of trouble i. Joked at times that party, probably into the situation we're in now is that we had a a reality television character swoop into an election. People thought that he could see the day so and really think that any time we can remind ourselves and each other real people can make a real difference. It's a service right, and that's part of what I love about. The fight also is that these lawyers in? In some ways there might the adventures like they are out there, really making the world a better place every single day, but in other ways you've seen the film like they have unruly kids that they can't get this day quiet. One on the conference calls lick of us now at this time, and they lose their cell phone chargers, and they ride Amtrak and they're just regular people making you'll change in. In the law. Do you think it's possible that when we come out of this? In whatever form it takes that people might reconsider what it means to be a hero that it's maybe not necessarily iron man or marvel character, but it could be a nurse who is treating a covid patient, and could be some sort of first responder. It could be a teacher. It could be somebody who's delivering your groceries. Groceries because it's not safe to go to the store that there might be some sort of rethinking of what heroism is, and maybe that could get us out of that kind of fantasy world back into the real world I. Hope so I hope so I mean I. Think Escapism you know. Narrative drama is so important like I. I think in some ways superheroes are important because they remind us of what. they remind us of how important it is to do good in the world, but remembering at good can happen by real people in real life is is so so important, and it's times like these where we took. We get to kind of dig for the best of ourselves and witness, the vest seen each other, so you're an actor and producer when you think about what it might look like to go back to wirt, you're probably talking with other people about what their concerns are. But what do you think that world is GonNa? Look like what are you going to? To need personally to feel safe and outside of a time line. How was that world? GonNa look different and grabbed. their are people continue to want to have the conversation? When and I think the focus really does need to be on. How right like how do we get the right testing in place? How do we stay safe? While we prayed for vaccine How do we best protect each other I'm definitely not the right person to answer that question but I I know I haven't seen it yet I. Know that nobody's handed me a plan at this. where I feel like as a producer or director or actor, I feel safe and ready to jump onto a set and process. I'm very happy that we are in pre production on projects were were starting to put together the pieces so that when we can go, we can go, but I don't want to rush. You know I think I heard someone say recently mateen teams. Opening up too early is like stopping. Taking your antibiotics, 'cause you're feeling better. It's like it doesn't work. You've gotta take the antibiotics all the way to the end. Otherwise sick is not done. You know so much of the business is about momentum. It's obviously about connections and ideas and network and all that stuff, but it's also about momentum, and when a project has momentum, it's invaluable into lose. That momentum is really painful. So how do you make sure the things that are important? Keep moving forward on whatever timetable they're going to move on. How do you stay focused on making sure that you're not letting everything that is moving come to halt. There are so many different stages of production and the development and production processes is vital to. The the making of a project. I think we're being gifted with an opportunity to kind of. Get as many projects as we can ready for the start line and and I don't know when they're going to hire that starting gun where the race can begin, but but we're just going to focus on getting projects there and I. Think it's allowing for for our company at least a deeper level of refining, our projects and really like doing the work. Work to dig deep and make sure that we're not rushing ahead and that that are that the stories that were getting ready to tell are exactly the stories want to be telling an exactly the way we want to be telling them, so we're doing a lot of work with raiders and worked with directors, and just making sure that that on the development and Research and pre production side that we have lost zero momentum, so there's the physical challenge of what it means to go back on a set. How many people are on the set our things like hair and makeup going to be done? And then there's this idea of what is going to be important storytellers and I know it's impossible to predict how a lot of. Of People are gonNA respond, but do you see your own priorities changing in terms of maybe what you WanNa tell now, but maybe also the kinds of stories that don't feel relevant anymore, and it's really hard to tell I mean. We're sort of in the middle of all of this still I think in some ways it's. It is hard to tell exactly, but. I think people are really Wanting to feel hopeful and wanting to feel. wanting to kind of witness, partake and stories that. That are about the best of US and bet getting to the best of us is challenging, and can often require seemingly insurmountable challenges, but but that reach for the best in ourselves and others aping something. We're all really drawn toward right now because again. We're aware that you are the heroes. We've been waiting for so stories that capture that idea. that's that's what I'm feeling cold toward. The weeks to come will look at the future of the entertainment industry from every angle. The words of Oscar winner Guillermo del Toro I almost think of the tagline fix us. chainsaw massacre who will survive and what would we left them? Our thanks to carry Washington for giving us her time twice her documentary, the fight will be released on July thirty first online, and according to the plan in theaters to and thanks to you for listening. We hope you'll subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Hollywood the sequel is produced by Shelley Lewis Monica. Both men and Jonathan shiftless with help from Darby Maloney and Jessica pilot. Our engineer and sound designer is Edward Oh Perez. Our Music is composed by Nicholas Patel. Hollywood. The sequel is a production of L. S. Studios I'm John Horn see next time.

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129: The Matrix from Neo

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129: The Matrix from Neo

"Man It's so nice to have cats hello to produce a show and tell them really really ridiculously excited grownups. I'm Hannah and someone invents apartment is playing animal crossing and These are my co host. Aaron bed hired hello. I enjoyed that. That was part of our five seconds of silence. Ambience that's going to be into again. I'm sure of how are you so good you know D- before we started recording? I accidentally referred to a business as an island because all the animal crossing. I've been playing and we kind of we kind of glossed over but like isn't that true right now. Aren't we all living on our own islands. In this moment I drew votes Duke. Do only like visit each other from like six feet across the island the gulf between the islands. What does that go? Overseas isn't name of that part of the ocean that goes channel channel. Yeah how's everybody? Has Everybody doing on their islands. Real can remove him. You know. Yeah yeah it does well. I'd like to know then. Aaron what are you drinking? I get to go I. That's very exciting. I have an ice water and I have a. I made myself a nice DECAF Again very sitting with the press and I have to say that I like it a lot and I wish that I had another espresso drinker in the house or coffee drinker too tasted and tell me how much it tastes. Just like Isolates very exciting Henry not like company. Now bummer himself a coffee drinker area. It's a it's a disappointment but we make it through. Did you see that One of the first like at home bone apetite videos. Was everybody making their own Perfect Cup of coffee and Carla's was with an Arrow press. I need to watch that. I haven't watched that thank you. You're welcome tip no problem Ben. What are you drinking water? I got ICED MANGO CAL. Pico is that once as Cuban that water a one of the white one clear ice cube in one way ice cube attached to each other and the clear bouquet or is that not one ice third. It it's too and they've used. Okay sorry I got a little heated. What else is your drink. What else is your mango cal? Pico Kelp Biko such a thing. You had the cream soda thing soda strawberry before anything but not soda non carbonated soft drinks. Thank you very much. That's eight. That's soft drink during drink. I keep saying soft drink. Yeah that's right. That's right. Softdrinks softdrinks soft drink soft. Drink is the past tense did you. You didn't tell us about utilised that before quarantined and never got it in now. I fear I never will to get like these waves of like. Oh Wow I was so spoiled before like I. Oh my God yes. I was in video call earlier today. That happened to have Uncle Brown in it because I work with him and he had behind him visible on his desk. A box of Lens wipes like glasses cleaning wipes and I have never wanted to reach through the screen and steal something so badly in my life. I ordered a box of lens cleaning wipes like weeks ago but because Amazon is shipping essential things. They pushed it out like indefinitely and so he and I are like it's like this little thing. It's like this. This is like the fact that any little thing that I ever wanted I could have just gone out and gotten at any time is like it's really sinking in how spoiled we all were. I think about it things like wow. I could just plan a wedding and assume that I could have it. You THINK WE ARE WEDDING. Anniversary is coming up. It's on the night of April. And if we like what three or four years? Don't ask me Mollie. I don't remember but but but if this April we would have had you fucking cancel. It like just like things like that. I'm like wow. I was so spoiled for. It's for years yet for your lawyers for years. That's right that's right. That's right. Uneven year I can assume and yours was the spring after mine and well. Yeah coming wait wait. September twenty fifteen. Yes for years because we're GONNA be five years in September. Can I tell you a funny anecdote? Mary still have to tell us what. You're drinking Hannah but The other day like a couple of weeks ago. Actually I was talking to molly about like. Oh my gosh. Can you imagine if you're planning a wedding right now? If we were planning a wedding for like you know coming up on April fourth and we would be talking about like. Do we have to cancel it? And she's like what the fuck is April. I was like It's this Saturday. This really pulling out of my ass. I'll let you just. That's just the day that we would have chosen because it's the Saturday. Are you saying that the county like okay on Saturday? I'm like totally just lake. Pulled out of my ass. It was awesome. That's pretty amazing. Great job thanks. What are you drinking Hannah? I just got a lemon spin drift. That night risked our lives to get more of I mean not exclusively but we've got these at target only went out the other day. I'm gonNA open it live on Potter having opened the yet refreshing. Treat that's Chris. I Love Lemon Spendy me too. I should have gotten more but excuse me shift or something later. Yeah I just feel bad about like Stassia cost money. You don't actually need shipped costs money right like you have to subscribe to it. Yes I didn't subscribe to it when I went through target for but I could only target. You're if you're ordering from target I don't think you have to sign up for it but probably if you're getting it from other places you do. I think they might own the company interesting. Yeah I've had. It's not that expensive. I decided up in. It's like you can choose a yearly plan and then per month it's like fifteen dollars a month and then if you get enough stuff it's free shipping you not too bad it's there's definitely go or shopping fee if you do it with target that you don't have to like do the subscription thing doing pickup from whole foods because I live right next to one less. Let's bring it out to you or like the handy that's GonNa bring it up. That's nice. That is good. That's a school. Okay Ben you said you had an upfront thing for us. Well Yeah it's a wild one allergies so So I've been in a lot of zoom calls this week like a lot because this week has been a senior thesis final presentations and a staff member in the course. I enjoy helping review all these presentations. And they're so when the when the prince stations are in person at a resume their generally open to the public now. And so we to try to simulate that we sent out a link to like the entire community and also encourage students if they wanted to invite failures river is something the link to the zoom. So that at least would be whoever had the zoom link come into the call then during one of the presentations I noticed. There's this weird account at the beginning. There were like twenty to thirty people in the call so I didn't see them all the time because like the person that the student is presenting sharing their screen Just shows all the videos on the side and they kind of cycle through sometimes muted at the person's name was just desk cam and I was like that's weird. 'cause that's not like a name that's like a camera and it was just some guy and he was doing anything except his cameras like moving around a lot like back and forth across his desk as weird and then Formosa presentation he it was. I think his cameras off. I don't really remember. But then his camera comes back on what we're asking the student questions and there's a girl on it and at first. I think she's dancing and then I realize they're having sex. It was so she had a shirt on there was like no nudity or anything but like I was like what she doing. I realized she was wearing a skirt and it was like the very written up. And she's like bouncing up and down and I was like. Oh my God. They're on a fed right now and they're having sex and the other staff reviewer in the call with my boss and he also saw it and we were just like both very disoriented hoping zone also seeing it and I was trying to kick the person from the call but I wasn't a co host on the meeting. I'd like message person who was the host but she wasn't looking at a computer luckily. Luckily we were going into a break in the presentations and when we do that she ends the call anyway so the call ended for everyone at a certain point but like not before he turned the camera around to his face and looked like he was just like yelling things into it but he never unneeded himself also is the weirdest thing it was fucking wild. I don't like Yeah so we We've we've we've reported this. To higher up people at the school plow since because that is a big concern if that can happen also carly later on the the My my colleague who was hosting it. Who's hosting the call? Said that she had like some incidents and other calls Throughout the day where someone would come in and she would her host. Privileges would be removed So they may have been like during more bad things than we than we thought. else apparently. Kylie showing me today because people are talking about it. There's like there was like a huge zoom security flaw specifically for Mac awhile ago or not while you're like less than a year ago where it people to start video calls with you without your consent. Basically adults always have his. You always have a zoom server running. Yeah and what? And what you uninstalled zoom those surveyed on your computer yet. Still do it it. I actually Mac Os to release a patch to fix that specifically because didn't in time but that was last blogger like exposed it as like. Yeah it was after telling zoom like. I won't publish this yet. You have until the state to fix it. And then they and the blog yeah But apparently recently there's been some security flaws for windows that have been revealed as well I don't remember the details of Remember what they what they exactly were. But I don't think is the best software in the all wise. Everyone like there used to be like. I mean we're not on zoom right. Now we're on like Google hangouts although I know it like three needles batteries. There's there was like skype. There was like it seems like everyone in the world for some reason every business now just zoom even have like We like to video chat things it in our company but wondering yeah I really liked teams but like teams The reason they zoom versus teams is like zoom is for if you have people who don't actually like work internally at the company that are part of it and like yeah it's it's all it's all full of security holes. They don't care at all. I mean I read like some tweets. About how like Basically the person who's running the call if they know how you can see like what everyone is doing on their computers like not necessarily in detail but they can see which windows you're putting focus on and stuff and it's like very invasive attackers can use zoom steel users windows credentials with no warning. That's fucked up yeah. I read that this is happening. Allow ben like the Because I think so. Many people are using zoom and if the calls public you can just guess that number in so many people are using it. I guess you have a higher rate of like actually popping into his call so this has been a huge thing like with schools and stuff. A lot of schools are using zoom which is embossed because there is a lot of like software specifically for remote learning taking over the screen and like not showing really gross stuff like on the apparently. This is a huge thing. I also just saw today. A friend showed us that a an announcement from zoom. I think they're pausing all. Let's see they're announcing a ninety day feature freeze to fix privacy insecurity issues so that's good. At least I thought pausing all free accounts or something. They're just like not developing new features. And you Beth good I guess them she has a little late. But you know wow well. That's crazy Ben. That is so nuts. What a week you had was that a pun accidentally confessed part about it was so we like warned the rest of the staff afterwards that this happened to be on the lookout for this and They were like Oh we should report this and so I had to like type in an email all of that. It was my boss who and make sure he saw. The same thing is just weirdest most uncomfortable thing to do at this job so far. Hey boss did you also see those people having sex on our video wild wild? That's right up front a good good good public service announcement as well. Oh God airflow on Zoom we record those meetings guys advisers can watch later. Luckily I checked afterwards. Went Back and looked to the recording. It only shows the video of whoever speaking currently. It doesn't show all the video so like we're fine in that regard. Thank God but that was also like a huge bullet dodge God if he had like unneeded his microphone at any point. That would have been so bad I know. Do you think he was like yelling into the camera because he was angry that his camera had turned on like cousy like angry. Yelling or like sex sailing was at his face. I was really at that point. I was just trying to figure out how to kick him. Canada's making fun of me because I wasn't sure if they were having sex or not afterwards and she was like I feel like it'd be able to tell pretty easily and I was like you know if I was just like watching a video of it. Sure but when. I'm in the middle of a fucking senior presentation. It's not where my head goes. I. It's thanks to that saying it's like pornography you know when you see it isn't true. Let's see we don't have any emails we probably can't just talk about animal crossing at the beginning of every single Talk THE EVENT. Real quick because If trucks so far yeah just replaces resources you get with eggs. Yeah I want those resources alley like those resources talking about okay here. Here's the skinny. Sometimes you hit rock fired comes up. Gold comes out rocks at Rockstar useful to build stuff to now. Sometimes you hit rocks and eggs come out yet. You Go Trees. You want fruit. Their eggs sometimes presents flip by the our gifts but now their eggs from Daddy. Now you want to fish. The fish are ex issue. Is today fossils fossil eggs two. I weighed while too bad because the wood is also eggs the eggs you throughout and you can eat them. They Apparently are actually chocolate eggs. They're supposed to be now. Daddy Nagato Anymore. It and on top of that okay. This all started yesterday on April. First and the fucking character. His name is Zipper. I think who Who Like introduced? Who's the one who's leaving all these Whimsical eggs everywhere and crafting recipes for the eggs. He's terrified he's a he's a rabbit. He's a bunny rabbit but he's got a big zipper on the back of his suit and he's like oh it's not a costume but like it kind of seems like it's a costume and he's got these big like freaky wide is and also he stares at you with them. Every time of the year in view of him of each other he is watching the entire time. Like jumping in this really like place you did. You see the thing that he goes out of character when you're offscreen. Yeah then he's like and just like starts looking around like no energy look. It's so strange. It's fast is the sort of fucked up Easter. That's GonNa last like up into and through Easter going until the wealth. I actually don't know I actually Easter Easter Bunny Day. Look I need a? It's funny. Day Isn't the twelfth at Easter Okay yes so. It's Bunny Day in animal crossing in. There's going to be eggs until then we're all GONNA have to learn to live with Apparently but I don't know it says presents if you craft all the things so maybe they'll be good. Oh I wouldn't issue to craft Hit so he. He gives you he gets. Usps other people gave you crafting recipes. They're they`re. They're crafting recipes sometimes in the gifts that float by in the Things come from the the bottles and come from the ocean if you craft all of those says I'll give you present but doesn't say what it is and if it's another area he'll let you UNZIP his costume Oggi's holly just a flesh underneath of God. Oh my God that would be handy if you had to have surgery or something if you just have to sit on your skin. Yeah innovates her fine. It's innovative book. No I'm an innovator I won't take it back but that's GonNa Invest Invent the first flesh zip covering for ease of hospitalization really. Didn't like that. Yeah yes and Kinda Gal yes and let's Stop Kinda Guy Man. I have a front beasted. Wells releasing her new album on the six. Oh yeah she's doing a speaking of zoom. I think I think yeah. Oh do you. WanNa go to that with me Hannah. Yeah From Our Island Hal. How former islands for places of business is it on Monday? When is it? Yeah I think she said this six thousand seven that I was like. Oh naturally the Saturday and Sunday. But I think it's on the Monday and Tuesday Which is a pressure not supposed to see her in concert. On Tuesday at the PIN huck in. Durham limits BIM Bam. Yes it's supposed to be yesterday. Because I still had calendar. We were going to suit on April fools. Yeah Yeah Yeah Fowler it. Yeah it's Monday and Tuesday that she's releasing that's no disrespect a little strange. What are days anymore alley? Why not a Friday Saturday anyway? Why not a Monday on a Tuesday in in this in this economy because I'm workin you're goddamn right but it's going to be at night. I assume but it'll be nice for a Monday to have her new album. Tillerson to all going to be very explicit sex songs. Yeah that's just what it is which is new new for her. Think she's branch excited about it Okay she pop in Yes. I'm very anxious to get to Aaron's recession me too. I'm so proud of both of you. All right so a few weeks ago I had just come out. We were recording extra. 'cause I just come back from a movie and I gave it a shout out recommended. Everybody watching theaters. It was portrait of a lady on fire. Mom Roseola off. Yep a few days later I took molly to see a show so good. I haven't been obsessed with it like since that day. You guys I just love it and recently. I recommended to my good friend Beck. Shout out and she watched it like I had learned. It came on. Hulu sorry hand. It's all this kid leap week before. She realized it was very told them. Yeah it's it's true. She was like. Who did you guys do that? Pilo on Hulu responded so I was like He moved on and then a week later. Aaron was like fires on Willow. I was like I told you so. That's my man but I told back that it was on Hulu in Lake that night. She liked downloaded. Who per like Ad Free per my request? An hour will recommend that to anybody. And we'll talk about why Annan like watched it and we've been like texting Sook he yet also because the movie while I'll just go ahead and say like the movie bills this very precarious tension and it's very sacred and it's very important and I just feel like if in at just the thought of somebody watching that movie and suddenly look Shaef thirty percents. Your old navy order like coughing up in the middle of that makes me WanNa scream will let me just say for the record. I don't know if this true for every movie on Hulu I think it might be. I don't have ad for Hulu and there were definitely no ads in a Iran's books and had no ads yeah but not in the middle of it so books other fucking great movie. Did you like that? One man is great a riot and Apsara also thought it was fascinating. 'cause I only learned recently that Beanie Feldstein is Joni Hill sister But there were like school party movies. Yeah very similar. Ones in their ways Anyhow so that's been really gratifying to have somebody to text and talk about it. Who's kind of like just on that level of obsession and also now to talk to you about it Molly and I have been watching her role in her previous movies. on the criterion channel streaming Did you say her is Oh sorry? Selene practicing her name. I don't think is slim. She Yama is her name and her partner that her partner is the actress who played a They used to be. They used to be a partners but they're not anymore. They had an amicable split. So that's actually a really interesting element to the movie. They had an amicable split a public one before they started making that movie. And so that. That was a really. There's a great article about kind of that dynamic of the movie and how the movie is almost kind of like Kind of a a love poem kind of like to Adele. What's your what's your last. Let me disease him well. Dizzy on five ivory like getting ahead of myself if you haven't heard of it portrait of lady on fire takes place in the seventeen. Hundreds isolated island in Brittany at the end of the eighteenth century. There we go. A female painter is obligated to paint a wedding portrait of a Young Woman and direct written directed by Selene Shama The two main characters are played by Naomi Rely Adele handle. It's a French movie Yeah Insulin Shiama and Adele handle used to be Used to be in a relationship and so but they still have a lot of trust and I think a lot of the themes of the movie. About how like a a romance and a love even if it's not still happening actively can still have like intimating impact on your life so I think a lot of those elements will try to. I'll send you the article. I'll try to send you the article. Play our place in the movie as well en it's just it's just a really fucking good movie there's so many fucking layers to it. It's just it's just good and it's gay and There the the sound Work in IT IS SOM- Xining is incredible. it's just amazing. What are your what are your thoughts new flips. I WATCH LOVE DO I. I watched it for the first time. What was that last night or the night before time anymore? You know and I loved it. I thought it was absolutely beautiful and sad. I thought it was very sad. That's part of what I want to talk about. I was curious like when you walked away from it. How you felt for like how do you? How do you feel like it ended? Did you feel like it was sad extreme? I think yeah I think it was sad Will scene was one of the best on my God? Oh I also think just. Generally the acting in that movie was like the best of Because so much of that movie relied on very close up shots and like very subtle visual movements and like emotional displays. It was just like masterfully done at every step. Yep So beauty I look at. It was one of those movies. Where like every frame is is the painting Of its own. Yep Yeah I I like. Every element was just incredible. Art like every single thing like you said Ben like the acting. A lot of like dialogue happened with like minor facial expressions which was pretty incredible. Owen saw so much silence to is another thing. I noticed there were so Long stretches of time where they was just like not like The most subtle audio was kind of made everything feel like more intense thought. Yeah Yeah I loved. It was really poetic in a lot. Always are a lot of things that tied back to a thread tied to get that were woven throughout. I I still there. There's lines powerful. It reflects sweater woven of poetry. There's a lot of great like metaphor in it and there's a lot there was just like so many like good moments Maybe we can have a small lake spoiler full discussion off pod but About the end Hannah. I thought it was sad but in a refreshing way. It wasn't sad because of like character witnesses or like it was that you're punching in Michael my opinion a new one. Here's trump but yeah I think I think it was sad. Refreshing way of like it wasn't sad because character choices or like you know infrastructure way. I thought it was sad in like inappropriate way of like the reflective of time reminded of not very realistic. We Yeah Yeah the circumstance in the way that it was handled it was so carefully handled. I thought like you had an exact same circumstance that was just you know handled with brute force or like you know it thrown in your face in a way that was really devastating but I thought I was just cared for in a really great way I liked it a lot. It had an interesting finality. I felt like that that she could have left. Some things open that she closed really concretely. Which I thought was interesting But you know that. Made me a little sad. I would have liked for there to be a little more of A. You know a bit of hope that you could have had wasn't there but I love Jeff. I was just like an amazing art from start to finish. Not a moment of it was not amazing art. Yeah I think the thing that made me feel it was it was. It was less like I felt sad for the characters or any sort of like Artif- like like unfair like I didn't feel like any of the writing had been unfair to the characters or anything I felling like they're like you said it was very reflective of the times of help very real actually thought about looking up whether it was based on any kind of true story that's like how real it felt But I didn't look it up. I don't think it is though I I don't think it is. I thought about looking it up but but it struck me as sad in the same way that a lot of times True stories of Queer people from historical. Times are sad where it's like it's in a way. It's very empowering and inspiring to see to see Ano- and learn about them and that they existed but then you know that It's that they weren't able to express themselves to the fullest and love the way they want to and that's very sad to think about like for them. You know Yet movies like that and especially this one. Just leave me with this lake. Incredible like poignant sense of Lake amazing gratitude mostly shook with this like you know that. I get to live the life that I live right. That wouldn't have been like I would have been just as gay back then right and just like not. Who knows are probably if at all possible not able to like live. Live out you know. See that through and so just like I just always feel like with with just being like so fucking lucky to live in the time that I live in the place that I live around the people that live but So great moving credible my favorite movie knocked knocks. You know knocked itself right in the first place at data people say folks. I game acted up. So so We watched her other films and I didn't care for them quite as much I think. Yes her first. One water lilies at Adele handle is also in It's also gay and I think quite care for it. is from like nineteen ninety seven. I WanNa say and then We Watch tomboy. Which is her next one. I did really enjoy that one. On and then last night we watched girlhood which is who we went back and watch them in ascending order It was okay and then her very next one is portrait of a lady on fire. So I feel like she went from like you know in my opinion of just the movies from like you know. Oh didn't really care for it to like these are okay to like Holy Shit. So that's a good trend. Holy Ship Adele. Haenel has one to Cesar Awards and the nominated seven times. Wow that's fucking crazy. Those are like the French Oscars and she's only thirty one lamb. She's so good. Yeah amazing acting. Just all around not a week. Poi- alcohol thing. Wow there she choose like a child actor to it. Looks like just looking at some pictures? Beautiful Movie Yaas. I guess is probably all we can say about it. Without spoiling too much of it. Yeah go see a ton of Hooghly now. Hulu as I was the first to report in a clear way I guess I just figured if you couldn't figure it out you would ask that's all and then neither of US said a word so I figured I don't know wasn't how we roll. I thought it was like some anime or something ice. It was one of the things I probably assume that you were talking the bed and just you know actually think I did the same thing I think. I assume you were talking to air and I tagged both of you. We have no good excuse excuses. They're not good. I don't think I need an excuse. The plain truth is we both saw it. We both didn't know what you're talking about and we both failed to follow your laws. It's year loss off some entire week of potentially watching it on Hulu to. Oh I would say that tomorrow Molly and I are finishing up our Selene. Xiamen Marathon by rewatching Richard of lady on fire. So excited I could. I think I wanNA watch it again. Do you feel like you picked up on more stuff. The second time you watched it again. There were some things that we can talk about this in the spoil full episode knowing what I knew later I wanted to watch some scenes again. Then they referred to Just to see them happening when they were happening to talk about that new K. Yeah I'm trying. I'm finding your yeah I was like maybe you set it on the weekends. I'm not as hooked into slack USA on like a Friday fucking excuse. Can I tell you I found out because someone that I I went out on a limb for you fuckers somebody that. I don't know that I follow on twitter on our on. Our podcast account tweeted a screen shot of it with no context of where it was just like. Fuck Yeah and just had like that you can stream this and I replied to that and asked her where that was and she told me that it was on. Hulu and we exchanged a bunch of exclamation points. And then I do it. Fli having not even watched it yet came onto slack to tell you guys on a Friday. We're so good to us and we have no no excuse. No excuse I dug and Doug for an and I can't find a good one. I do my public statement. I this as my obsession as a public apology. I am sorry good. No that's fine. It's your loss as I said. Served right so say who. Don't forget people airline. You're lost like yeah no graceful. I'm Ali there's nothing to forgive like I get your life. Nothing ever given say. Serves you right so bad? I am shamelessly stealing obsession Kylie once again. Awesome Okay. She started watching the show. I live streaming and then we watch together after inert where like both schilling for steps Watching it together but she decided I whatever credit she's Herp such and she got mad at US still yet again but whatever It's a show on net flix called fuck full name clock it's called Ky-ko in the age of wonder beasts. I watched them in that. I heard that you didn't you didn't like it that much so I heard that I i. I didn't finish it but I I did go back to it. I'm kind of watching it slowly. I think It's it's more like it's not something that Ian and I think Ian likes it much. Let me just throw in under the bus for this. Oh he never wants to watch it so I only watch shifting the blame that play. It's a very cool show I agree with that and animated show It gives me like a mix of adventure time in Hilda That's the feeling I get from it. Basically the story is that the main characters Kibo. And she's living in a post apocalyptic it's like two hundred years Two Hundred Years in the future And she is from. She's she's from borough city so she like let's underground because the surface isn't safe anymore. Because they're a bunch of mutant animals like giant versions of our animals A lot of that can talk and they're often just called mutes which took me fully three episode serialized Because I'm an idiot talk honestly honestly so I confused for a while. You're in the middle of their episode. And I was like what is a mute. Short for shoes like mutant. But you're like they specifically can talk. Yes that's like one of the signs that they're amuse is that they can talk your side here man very confusing extremely sir. The red at the start of the show she gets like separated from her city in her city Kinda gets destroyed and basically the the story is about her trying to find trying to find her people again and she is aided in her journey by the another another human but from the surface was like this little girl. She's not that little she's like obviously younger to keep a But she's like very tough and lives on her own and always wears a wolf skin as like a hood and never tells keep her name. She was called her wolf. I like she's really cool and also a pig neeman do like Cheapo meets on the surface in. She's also very adorable couple people coupled with their spoilers meet them till like the second or third episode. So I won't tell you about them yet. But they're very cool. Is The pig mute? It's got four is in six weeks. It doesn't talk though. No cannot talk so to mute Commute exactly okay but those dead talking giant talking frogs that were suits called mud frogs There's creatures are so fucking like meat like like I like the bees. They're like technology. These are like the Flash Different Colors and play techno music and dance. That's ever in every episode. They kind of like meet a new group of mutant animals. Just remember that are remembered. The kid all have like different Different trades. Yeah like they meet a whole group of lumber cats lumbered. Lumberjack CATS TIMBER. Cats ask better looking for their sacred scratching posts tree. That's been starting but it's so good and then there's the snakes they meet. Yeah that are all They're called Snakes actually don't know why they're called that I need to reference like Motley Crue. Because they're they're like all Rockstar. They're like banned So many healthy meat like um finish this kind of spoilers. But they're really if they're not there major anything. How many episodes are in the first season ten? I think there is only one season. Yeah there's only one season out early came out like a few months ago. I might have finished it. Everything you're saying sounds very familiar to me. Now we're on the ninth episode. I don't know if I finished it. I will finish it though I I do like it. Others also like the most Like one of the reasons Kylie And this is a spoiler. But it's not it's it's fun because it's like not a major plot point. It's just like a nice thing. One of the reasons Kelly I heard about it was shoe. Single people freaking out on twitter about this particular scene where one of the characters just like casually comes out to another one because people who has a crush on him and he and he's like oh And then she's like she's like freaking out because she thought she'd like he like hitting back whatever he's like no no. It's just that I'm gay. And that's the whole thing it's like it's just like this adorable. Seem rather like under Grad friends. His just great and it wasn't like it wasn't like Oh. Wow my shaking. I don't like it didn't have to be about the fact that that people liked him in like had to be an emotional plot point for her that he was gay. Like that wasn't how it was used. You know what I mean is Yep exactly yeah. It was just like a fact. She's like Oh that's great. I'm glad we're really good friends than and that was that it was produced great. Who is the intended audiences this show children? I think okay cool so I would say. It's a kids show. Yeah I I would like the Chateau. The music is also really really great. There's a lot of hip hop integrated into the show in really cool ways And the like just the interim music album music throughout is really really beautiful. Yeah the music's religious. I like the all all of it. It's great I think another thing that Kinda turned off of it was the music sometimes When shows have or any media has like a lot of very different types of like loud music. Even if they're good he like it kind of is a lot for him. It's Kinda like a like an overload for him a little bit so the first episode. There's the intro song and then it goes right into like shit like those like technophobe as we were talking about. And then there's there's just like a lot for for for someone who like came get over stimulated in that way. I think it was like a lot but it but it was there. There's a lot of different kinds of music a lot of different kinds of music. But it's yeah it's it's good. I didn't mean to slander it for you guys. Watch it anywhere so for your bad opinion. Meant nothing to you. Don't even know how to come up with a clear acronym about it. The presumed at opinion meant nothing. There's I'll probably really like it because of this fucking show in spite of her. I feel like I'm being torn apart in this episode. You're being get there's some really cool Cameos I'm seeing two voice actors like forget John Hodgman's soon Joan Jett and let's face as comedian. Joan Jett also who was Joan de Donahue that this she's like a roster yes rockin singer rocker. Oh look it up muench from Black Panther Sanit. Oh she's the snakes. Yeah from Black Panther. Yes Sterling K. Brown he's in it. He put her dead. She's like I think she's like half black half Korean the main character also but she has like purple hair purplish skin. Because it's the future supposed to pack lifted future future everyone purple skin. That's not true. Not If you could know which you would other people have it or just me I think other people I think what you have in dire hair I assume like in the future you can like kind of like maybe temporarily dire skin your would do the whole would you. Erin. Maybe like a blue but that would look at look dead no. I don't think I would try it. Why not maybe just a part of your body like just have like a purple arm and SPA. Yeah I was just like one big purple spots. Yeah that'd be next Tattoo easily. Get you do a marker marker marker on your whole body should be two years the meetings to our circle what it would be like to have a little bit of purpose do as little ensure this apparent for the future when we die our Senate just a little bit of a Diet. It is temporary. You now markers But the good thing about that is that it would distract from any other illicit activity on your resume called. Keep your eyes on. The debt is with Purple Perfect. We did some good work here. I think we solved your problem. Actually so we did it. Some goodwill on Netflix Mentioned that it's a Netflix. Original on net flakes dreamworks joint. So if you want if you want some name now I don't know what you're saying so lame behind it before you watch how works like I just don't know what you're talking about. Yeah I got was made by South Korean animation studio. That's cool maybe. That's why the pigs name is. Mondo may claim food to go South Korea. When I can leave my now go anywhere outside. I'd love to go to any place. Yeah also that yeah. Who REMEMBERS PLACES? I sent that mean to go to work. out. I am excited. Yeah what what's up which you got what you row with. I truly besides the turnip stock market and stuff. I have been truly obsessed with watching scam baiting videos you guys ever watched. I think I do but to find it I So you know. How did you guys listen to the long? The episode of reply all called Long Distance Yes in which Alex Got A call from From like a one eight hundred scam thing it was like pretending to be like I cloud have been compromised in and please call back this number Blah Blah Blah. And then like. That's a lie and they call you back and basically try to get onto your computer and sell you fake antivirus software and get your credit card information. That kind of thing well And he like tried to keep him on the phone and learn about them and ended up eventually going to India's. It's an amazing two part episode of reply all highly recommend it but There is A. I don't know how I don't know how big of a community it is. I've really only watching this one. Guys videos His name is to look it up. I went down like a rabbit hole. These videos of also watching one guy dude Things he's very good at it. Kit Boga familiar so basically this guy. He's streams on twitch He does like every day. He calls back these numbers of the scammers and he just Tracy on the phone for as long as possible. He plays a character and just tries to waste their time because basically figures that like any time that they're spending on him. They're not spending on like actual potential targets And it also is like a really good I found it to be kind of Fascinating and Educational obviously like the you learn a lot about the tactics. People use how far they're willing to go by listening to him and he'll he's so he has a lot of technology that he uses to help him He has a like a whole fake computer. like cloned inside of his computer so he can allow them remote access without putting any his stuff at risk. He has like a voice looper that he uses so that he can play multiple people at once if he needs to He has a voice modulator so he can play like an old man or an old woman or Like a a younger woman like a ditzy younger woman who's like not you know like Or he doesn't accent uses his actual voice He also sometimes has friends. Help him like he'll have he has like other Twitch streamers that he's well just this one that I've seen but I think he sometimes as other ones who will he'll sometimes add them into the call and they'll pretend to be like a husband or another scammer something just to kind of like like freak him out and or sometimes he'll pretend to be another scammer. That's also trying to scam the same person I find those particularly fascinating because the scammers are never surprised by that and it only makes them more aggressive about trying to like trying to get money out of that person I and they they Almost I would say I don't know of all the Times I've seen him do it. Maybe like seventy five percent of the time the the actual scammer will As one of their first tactics Start trying to reveal the other person as a scammer and like they'll be like they're trying to scam you miss and the end they'll like go through all the stuff they just try to do to this person but be like did they do this. Did they do this and like basically out all of their tactics to try to get this other person often? Then be like I'll protect you. Give them like like all these like you know security measures stuff and also the lie about anything. It's crazy. How much the lie about. They'll they'll tell anybody any old thing and the people and the way that he plays some of these characters like they're clearly like not all there they don't care at all like they just like it's it's really a shocking sometimes the links that they'll go to but also it's like it makes me all the more kind of grateful that it's him this and they're not actually talking to a real person like there was this one series is like. I don't even know if I finished it And he he he added some down for for you to survive in watching it. So it's not this long. Excuse me this link of content. But he kept one group of scammers on focused on pretty much exclusively him for thirty six hours one day. Wow Not one day. It was over the course of a week. He bent the space. Time can do for one day. But he's but like the they'll call they call back like if they think that they have a like a live one like someone who's actually believing them they'll keep calm like he frequently hangs up on these people and they just call him right back like or the wait a few hours name like think of another angle on it and then call him back again and use that angle like they've called him pretending to the IRS. They've called him pretending to be from the White House. Golden pretend like after they do their original scam and it's interesting what they always want is gift cards Because I guess probably what they're doing. I've never heard him detail what they are probably doing with them. But Ian and I were talking about it and what they are probably doing. Is they have the person by the gift cards. And then they read the numbers to them over the phone of of of the Redemption Codes. Like without redeeming them. That's what they're supposed to do. And then they can sell those codes online for less than they're worth but still make a profit on them because they didn't actually pay anything for him But what he does like the the like the the thing that will will Often be the thing. That kind of drives the scammers over the edge or and causes him. Nafta reveal is that he'll like keep him on the phone for hours and hours going through this whole rigmarole like wasting a bunch of their time trying to for them just trying to get him to like go to the store and buy the gift cards and then when he gets back his computer hill like kind of just like stop listening to them and start redeeming them right in front of them. They can see what he's doing on his computer and it looks like he's redeeming other gift cards and all the gift cards to his own account and being like. I'm sending them to you. Honey just not listen. It's very funny Sometimes sometimes scary But also funny but then even after they do that like he did that within the first like five hours of being on the phone with those thirty six hours people and they kept calling him again over and over again. That's when they pretend like if you do that then they'll pretend to be the IRS and call and be like. Why did you buy all these gift cards? You're in big trouble now. You owe us a fine like all this stuff and the SBA gift cards yes. It's wild. It's totally wild. And he's very. He works very well on the fly. he's really good at like He'll point out what they're doing. Like a Lotta Times. They'll tell you to just go look at your router like they'll tell the person on the phone with and then while you're like looking at your router for no reason they'll be like editing. Html in your bank account that they had you log into so that it looks like they made a transfer that they didn't or like the main thing they do is that they will Make it look like they accidentally sent you too much money and that's why you have to pay them back and gift cards because they made a mistake and if you don't pay them back in a way that is secretive than they'll lose their job and you don't want that you know. Lake. That's that's basically like the outset of all the scams but yeah it's a bit. I just can't get enough of this week. I've been watching like I've been listening to them and and like having on the side with me all week while I've been working just like listening to him. Just give scammers a hard time and really getting a lot of joy out of it for some reason. Do you have any particular recommendations of our late. Start with one which one I should start with. let me see. I so there are two Playlists on there that are called baited. There's there's one. That's the thirty six hour one and the other one is like professional Scammer may find that playlists Four scammers fifteen hundred phone calls thirty six hours that one the really long one where they keep going back the other invaded the professional scammer. That one he says it multiple times but having watched so many of them I agree with him. It's scary how good those people actually are at running this scam And he kept them on the phone for quite a long time And Times was like very impressed with how good they were improvising. All the all the curve balls he was throwing at them So that's like a good one if you are interested in seeing like A scam actually like what's scary to me about. How many of these people are like they wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't working? It seems I mean like in that long distance a episode that I talked about at the beginning they were. They were estimating they were making like two million dollars a year at that call center and that was like a full on call center like some of these some of these People are probably just working out of their like homes to do this Or like but a lot of them are probably an actual call centers. That are like just doing these. Scam calls like So that's scary. There's one that is a fake cove in nineteen cure that he did recently Was on the phone with someone about that. Would be a an apropos to start with the oh I actually really liked There's there's one called pretending to steal four thousand dollars as rival tech scammer. That one's very funny. He also always It's always fun to read the so. He has like a lot of web pages for fake bank accounts and the names of them are really fun. Like one of them is called Golan bowl Financial and another one is like community American it's like it spells out scam. The initials don't remember what the last one. But they're all like the like the and honestly a lot of them are similar But you know he's GonNa Keep it interesting so he just kind of like. It's fun also to hear him because a lot of what he does to waste their time is just he just like riffs on he just make shit up about like the fake person that he's playing. He's very good at it so call any of them would be good the person. I was thinking of when you first start talking about this was a British comedian named James Beach. James who has a high vh V. I T. C. H? Who has forty eight million Ted talk? That's entitled this. Is What happens when you apply to spam actually an asset. This has a couple other toxin like appearances on late. Night shows rita similar kinds of things. But it's not as intense as a as Kipa does he calls or he just announced. I think just emails and maybe texts also but that Ted talks really fun he likes to. He's knowing them so much. Stoppers sometimes hit bogus. Gets there to where there will there where they'll be like okay? I'm a scammer. I am a scammer. Listen to them and get off the phone. It's like it's it's good. It's very fun. Sarah Goddess accidentally called the scammer once. 'cause she was like calling in for some like. I phone support or something and basically just like Google and Click. The first link assuming on who was that would be And then it was basically like oh we need to confirm something e you know what we need you to do is go like buy a gift card and then You Know Register and then reduce the number. That way will know that. It's actually you lose like I'm not GonNa like this is a scam. There's no ma'am not and she's like I'm GonNa hang up now. I looked up the actual number and calls this whole gift card thing. That's so why that's like all hours asked I think it's the easiest way to launder money. Honestly 'cause it's like an go ahead you go well. They're always them. The thing I don't understand is that they always want to stay on the phone with the person while they go to the store and get the gift card but they don't want them to talk to them when they're when they're on the phone with them it's like they wanna keep them online but they don't want to be spoken to and they and they Coach they try to coach the person before they go in to tell them like an? I always think this is weird. 'cause like I've never been questioned buying cards but I guess I've never bought two thousand dollars gift cards at one. So probably would be but they always say to make sure that you don't tell them that you tell them that it's for it's it's for personal use and don't mention anything about like the conversation that they've been having or else they'll lose their job you know but then they'll get really mad if if so he has all these like knows like in the inside the store noises and like some you know blow that for them all the time in frustrate them very interesting. Yeah it's an watch out. Anybody ever tells you to buy gift card over the phone. They say that they're tech support. don't do it. There is no. I cannot think of a legitimate reason why you would be buying a gift card online unless you called somebody in order to buy gift card on yeah right or not even online but like buying a gift card phone for on behalf of somebody no simply no. Don't do it plus. I can't imagine it being on tech support for an tech support it legitimately. I had to go to the store and buy gift card. 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THE PREDATOR - Double Toasted Audio Review

Double Toasted

48:37 min | 2 years ago

THE PREDATOR - Double Toasted Audio Review

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Timber dog is finally going to blend into September and address Bill, but you know, you got that one movie that's kinda ushering in the big entertainment blockbusters the war films. And hopefully that's what people are thinking about what the predator credited back man. And they said, you know, prejudice cool. Because we go, man, we going back to to something to to the to the to real predator roots right here, sir. Because see, that's been the problem with this whole franchise is that they've had a lot of predator movies, but the problem with the franchise is a lack of coherence. I think why? Why are you laughing at me? Well, you're you're right. I mean the first two movies feel like they're, they're connected and in all the other seem like, no, no, no, no. I'm doing it my way. You're right because some of these they have, they have been directly connected to the first predator. Such as what are your favorites? Marin predator too. You know, you didn't have. They didn't have oddly dinette, but at the predator going into the at the time, the future bride, this came out like early nineties nineteen Ninety-seven. He went to Los Angeles. Anez. And it had Danny Glover sexual predators, sexual. He was an opponent, but you know that that had a boy, Danny Glover. That's the one that actually got everybody onto the whole alien Burr spreading to kick. That's one way at the end and introduce the showed the alien skull. Oh, that's what everybody's like. Oh. That that'd be bad. You think so. Yeah, he had not only one, but two alien spread is moving in that second one. Yeah, that's that's the one where people like saying, okay, maybe that's kind of connected, but you know what you can keep that bullshit. Right. We I, you know, I'm sorry. I asked for that. Ignore me next time. Yeah. Yeah, it was funny because they came up that I remember spreading in requiem came. We're gonna get it. We go sweet and show you guys supposedly done. It may fuck this up even more than the first one. But it was somewhat connected somehow, but people want to deal with that. And then you've got some that were well maybe could stand on his own arc connected. It's one predators? Yeah, they went to the predator world which I thought that one was a pretty good film actually. Really enjoyed that. I liked that one a lot. Yeah. I mean, I like the idea that they made it a horror movie with predators, but also connected it c- say, Har move. I thought it was like a SCI fi action flick. And that's it said to, yeah, you know, he named combine all these things, but, but you know, when you really go down in, look at these movies, they, they, they say connected, but they've all kind of been just an like an anthology way. They all are stand alone, episodes aware. Well, this man that we have here. You know, this one is trying to take it back, but still it's kind of confusing people that coherence is still are. Incoherence is still there little bit because one of the things that was confusing people is the marketing with this because you know when you with this. People warning, well, what is it at one point it was. They pitched it like a har- move straight up harsh off league. No screams heavy heavy breathing darkness, blood blood everywhere. But then a couple of weeks later they came out with the no man. We're wacky eighteen. Nebraska, the muscle. Money. Sorry, don't question. It was. Oh, Lynch nettles baxley crazy. Racier Razia st- okay. So we'll, I never saw this. This is like a grind house movie. Yeah, it is. It is like a cross through the ground house moving the eighteen. It was. It looks like an action comedy. Yeah. So people saying all right, which is all the movie, which what? What is it? Tell me? Well. The answer is a Martin, I disagree, but I'm gonna say it is action. Comedy. I was gonna say, it's all of the above. You know what? They has elements of those things, but it's mostly an action comedy. Yeah, because I look at this is trying to have elements of all those things we talked about before, but seriously, this is this is the most whimsical version of the predator that we've seen. I mean, don't get me wrong. Lots of people die in horrible ways, but it's it's more comedy than anything. It really is despite the gore in the in the harsh language, this is the most whimsical version of the predator that we have yet. I'll even go as far as to say. A no sales weird because we are talking about a lot of blow a lot of gore, latter manly man language and cursing, whatnot, but it's almost like a kids fill in a way. Especially when you bring in an actual actual kid. Yeah, Jacob Tremblay. I mean, seriously, look at the look at the last trailer a little bit. The last trailer that came out and now one, the last one it came out probably gives you the closest feeling of the tone for this Bill. We have a word, let me guess he's done something crazy. Again, one of the break. Bresca williams. Moves. I had a run in with a space. That's the thing that killed my main. Alien. Predators. Six, three weakness tracks. It's praise the game. To joy. It's not a predator that's sports hunter. Believe me, it's from the moment. The movie starts. They try. They try to start jumping action because if you think it's going to be a dark comedy, I mean, say dark action movie has comedic elements of people being smart, asses you quickly realize hold on. They acted tried to make you think they're gonna do some bad as sit like they did in in the very first predator where they're gonna go hard and then it alien comes in because they like we get ready to go up against the cartel. Yeah, I like, should they alien going to be fighting the army and the cartel? No Haley came down to pretty much went on stage is they have their by tonight. I got. All right. So. Slow space, right. The deal with word. Tippy barton. Anyway. No man. But the moment like they, they start going into the to the jokes pretty quick and it's mixed with the action. So it's not like they just being too goofy? Yes, not on actually stop into do stand, no, no mixing. It's mostly the dialogue that that doing with in just like I said, kind of a little more lighthearted tone. They really are going for a lot of laughs and granted, dark humor last going for lands. But the moment they bring Jacob Tremblay Ian as this kid has asked burgers. Apparently as burgers we'll help you meet. It can help you read the alien language. Like like the Rainman for alien code. But but the mother introduce him. It's almost like the predator walk into a goosebumps movie. They got Halloween going home like ET. Right, right. It's directed by Shane black. And if he's not doing Christmas, he's doing Halloween. He's doing Halloween, you know, he, he's a and he probably like I really wanna throw Christmas in. I know God, Tim, this is one time you can't. Yeah. Listen and listen, will we, we talk about the alien the the predator being eight. Eight. Give me mixed. Predator when when we say that he's a comedian, he really does come in with jokes like, like, say what you will about all the other predators that you've seen this got us a human mind. I'm talking right down to like like like, like carrot top type humor. There's a part in the movie where he's a prop comic. I'm not. I'm not exaggerating y'all. I mean, I mean this goes there there moments like cute moments in here. The like the the, the, the Merck's that use that you see in the movie because they, you know, they, they introduce them in at first up what they're not really Merck's though, and I think that's important. Was that say they're not really Merck's? Oh, you don't think so? No, no. Those are just because they at one time they describe themselves as as as mercenaries do they all just crazy vets? Yes. Way to prison. Institution. 'cause they were talking about? Yeah, we we're Merck's. They were talking about. Yeah, we are. You know with crazy Merck's, but we're Merck's and in the thing is, is. With these guys like they thought I would hate them because I mean, we're talking about the trailer and the trailer they, they look like they're annoying because I thought I was going to. I thought I was going to really hate one particular person. Keegan, Michael key. I thought I was going to hate him. You know, as like, please kill him early in the movie. But the thing about all these, these crazy killers that they got on the way to you said, yeah, they're on the way to pretty much be killed lobotomize because they just too crazy for the world and to danger and dangerous. But once you see them, they're actually they're lovable. Yeah, it's not even like you, you eventually love them. You're right off the bat. They're endearing right off the bat. They're like the kindest, most polite most caring and jovial group of crazy collision ever seen. Good guys. That's cute. Like a party. They're the opposite of what the the Mercs were in the very first movie would they would just macho to the point of like, she's yeah. Anything human about you other than the steroids you take. Growth hormone you would drinking on the ship, but these guys? Yeah, they're, they're crazy. They know it. They're funny, and you have a lot of those human moments and they do a lot of what this movie does in general where it's like it sets up a trope that you're prepared for and then they just do a twist on it catches you off guard. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I like I'm not saying that like that they are that that the great in the move all the time because honestly, the only bad thing about the actors in the film that I can say is that sometimes the actors played, they're crazy parts a little too much like they overact that because you got Tom Jane, you got you got Thomas Jane over there. Twitching because yeah. Ritz at the time and other people on the bus like like, Keegan, Michael key. He's all there. You know, it's like, okay, mic, calm down that fucking crazy. Okay. I mean, these guys have to sometimes the actors having too much fun with the roles and they are playing a little bit too comedic. Sometimes we as me, but I'll tell you they, I think the better than as far as character goes, and I'm not saying that actor because I like is a buoyant Holbrooke. Yeah, boy, Holbrooke, man, he's just well. He's a straight man. He's a straight guy, but the thing about the way they write him as a straight guy. He's he's not only just a straight guy. He's deep. Typical action hero gives the typical tough guidelines. Again, I want to break that's about the some of his character right there beside shooting a gun and every none in acting like he cares for his son, Jacob Tremblay. You know. Genuinely puts he just talks a lot of shit. That's all he does. That's all he does in the movie. But you know, the only one out of those characters that really seems like either they're not over acting plan. The crazy part too much are just being a straight up. Tough guy is Travolta roads. He's fantastic. He's actually he's a really good actor man. And just to look at him, I in my head is feeling like it's like fifty cent. Learn how to. Yeah, he actually opened up his mouth. That's the guy from moonlight. Right? The adult version of the kid moonlight you saw it is all those all those guys Merck's vets, whatever they are are endearing, but especially him, yes, him, it's almost like he's the one that was like, look, you know, I'm trying to get my career start. I can't be fucking around. Take me with, I'm, I'm Elise, try to make my character have a little humanity, and he's good. I like him. I mean. Let me just tell you, you know the last couple of weeks Martin now, even flip flop and also movies. I've been hating movies that he likes. That he hates, and I don't know what he's going to do his review tonight or go about it. But I will say this one last thing, and I don't know if you'll agree with because the movie I'm telling you, man, the movie is down right? If if it did have blood in all the curse, it would almost be almost be goosebumps movie. It would almost be kid friendly. You don't those those. Those roster dogs in the movie that you saw the ones that we would look at trailer. They shit. He's got rust daughter, but a tear somebody's as up. No, they might lick you to death. They'll grow growl. But they coming in, you read the bellies? No, there's a point where like a man does the point. These dogs might as well. One of might be might as well be Lassie. There's a point in here with these dogs. They, they're, they are downright. One of them is downright adorable. My name is name him Benji or something. That don't let that don't. They don't let them dreadlocks t- full you that that dog was was one of the cutest things in the movie. And I don't know if that's a good thing because that's that's not what we really came to see. Well, yeah, I guess it all depends on what you came to see. Yeah. And like, like I said, man for some people. I think if you if you expect. Accredited movie like the previous ones that you've seen, then you're not going to get that because as we as we've been telling you, this is more of a comedy for some that might work and for some MIT not. I'm not saying whether it does for me yet or not, but Martin how you feeling so far about it. I was I was pleasantly surprised by the comment by by all the comedy. I mean, you know, you figure which shame black directed this. You knew it was going to be there somewhat and beginning it was like, okay, this is about that level. But just the more it went on the funnier got and I think it was a Smart Choice to make it to use humor. So that when ridiculous stuff happens, you kinda like, well, I mean they're not really taking it too seriously, so it kind of goes along with it not to say that they don't stretch that especially toward the end. But it's it's a, it's entertaining. It's fun. That's that's something I didn't expect out of this movie. And with those other characters, the Mercs. You could. I feel like the Mark of a good character is you kind of really hoping that they don't die and that so much with so many of them. Yeah, I. I to a certain degree. I see what you're saying to a certain degree. I to certain degree I agree with you, but it gets the point where the movie becomes so funny that it gets silly for me and then it yet gets and gets goofy, and it's almost like Shane black. Just all of a sudden just realize, you know what? This should have stupid. He just got threw up his hands and like, you know what? He, he realized that from the very beginning. Yeah, like you said, you know what? I'm I'm not taking this shit seriously. Really straight face. Okay. So this whole all these years, we y'all. Camping out for this thing that comes in huts people and kills them and has every hunting gadget you could imagine and couldn't imagine them a roster. Foreign alien would've spider mouth on safari on earth. You want me to do with a straight face. Okay. Yeah, I Gotcha. Gotcha. I'll go again. Not, and it's not that. I think that the concept is stupid. You know, Yami you've heard me say this before. I actually think that I think that the first predator is one of the most unique action satires I've ever seen. And I actually, I actually really liked this movie really this movie Lut and it's almost the. Is a movie that just the reason why I worked at the time is because it what's missing from a movie like this is a lot of people forget and I'm not trying to give too much put too much on person, but you know where you kind of had to this movie Arnold. Schwarzenegger cook. Yes. Oh yes. The waiting. They're up against the ultimate enemy, Corey mother, God, nothing like it has ever been on earth before she says, the jungle came alive and we cannot see. No parties. We nothing, but it sees the heat of our bodies and the heat of our fear, whatever it is killed. How. Oh shit. Ross worsening. That's what they were saying. He can't be killed him. Things look that I'll kill it. Look, this movie, the original predator. The predator was not the star that movie it was. It was Arnold Schwartz. It was honest wasn't he was he was hot. He'd made the Terminator. He had all kinds of movies coming out. It was like, we gotta get another vehicle for him. Yeah, and you know what? And something that looks like he can't beat. Yes, exactly. I will say that. I mean, once the predator was known, everybody was going to see it for that element to, but you gotta keep in mind, but with this movie was pitched it really was picked with Arnold. Schwarzenegger. Spain. Yeah. And that's something that's been missing from all these movies, a lot. People realize that honest wasn't. It was when a made this is kinda. And so when you don't have that, you do pill back and see like, okay, this is gone crazy right here, but it can still work always thought the concept was cool is just that they hint so much on one action star that they didn't really. I don't think they've written any great one since then except probably predators, which is the one that's on there. Planet in the one that's actually took, took the the most initiative to evolve the story will sure. But also there hasn't been an action star like Schwarzenegger. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, he's he's, he's not one of my favorites, but I have to give him his props, he he was a unique unique thing unto himself, and they tried to have imitators and and people come up and be the next. And it just hasn't worked not none the whole time, the predator has been saying like a real wrestling match. Tell your brother, where's the rock. You really wanna do some hunting hunt for me brother because the rock is one. Everybody say what should be the natural day to get him. But I think even with the rocket wouldn't be the same way it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be. Because he's still had a mystique at that point. Yeah, yeah. And in, you know, the thing is at this point. Like, I don't think the concept is stupid. I don't, but you know, at this time now I think that. The first the first predator still was never taken a self that seriously. It's funny, I 'cause I never thought of it as any kind of satire. I just thought it was over the top. So to hear you say that I might maybe I need to watch this again and see if I look. I can see it in those is about, but maybe I'm wrong, but I've always thought it's not satire people say to set because they just don't play it up too much, but that whole thing of leading you in thinking that you're going to see an action movie and all these guys being just overly macho in alien just comes into the picture. And I always thought like, okay, you know, this is they really are just going, you know, just balls, deep rent shit crazy with. And that's why I always thought like, okay, and then I read taking it taking it seriously enough to make make a good action film, but they know that their way over the top with this fucking alien. You know, we know this is crazy. In shame. Black right now should hailing taking things seriously at this point is almost like he's double down or whatever right was was with was silly about the yet. If the, if if your question, whether the first one was a satire, this one, there is no question whatsoever. Oh no, there's none at all. Marna tell you the, I tell you how new that same black was not taking this seriously whatsoever. And if you go into, I'm telling you, I'm not even saying it's a great film. I'm not saying it's a bad film, say anything yet, but I'm I'm telling you right now. If you go into this movie, you better go into it knowing that it is almost making fun of itself and it's not taking anything seriously because you go in looking for like a series, predator drama, you gonna be disappointed. I think a lot of people will. We will be doing that. The reason why new that was taking this seriously. I don't know if you remember this part. I'm not. I'm not gonna pull anything, but I would just say this much. There's a, there's a part of the movie where they got a guy who's in these almost like an extra speak part. He's in the movie for one minute for that one minute, his role is to be the biggest asshole in the film and they turned around and killed him in the goofiest way possible you. I wish I remember who exactly you're talking about. Okay. Let me just put this way who in the movie was as being a dick for no reason, this guy who had nothing to do in the film except he hit that one role right there. A guy who walked out on a balcony. You know, I'm not talking about. You must have blinked. Lot of people got killed. This guy came second. It'd be like putting you have to do that. That's just that you really just being an asshole. In the moment he did. They made him be an extra ASO. They could kill him in the dumbest way possible. If I was at extra, I would have been after was done. If I seen the move, do me like that. Sorry, you sign the contract. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Yes. I will. Light him up like that. That's one of the best funniest moments in the movie. I mean, you thinking is set a tone already, and at that point you like, oh, this is where we are. Okay. They had to come out. I'm telling. T was a dick man. He was. He was a bully for no reason. No, s man. Look like the name in the movie, the credits. He was just asshole. Let his ass. He did that put my. And that's when I knew us fool. Ain't taking nothing this movie seriously. You're right. It is that what is at the moment. I said, I must. We'll be watching grimace. That's actually a good comparison. Yeah. It almost is late. That people is funny because when you wash this is like the at their moments, seriously, there are moments when the the predator himself. He's playing pranks. He's he's threes pranking people. He's pumpkin people, man. Like I when you say, you know what I'm talking about, but this is this is been lit like a like a like a goosebumps movie, our family film? Yes, lots in the dark would fall a lot. Yeah. They go into the woods and they got that one dude up in in the trees that big as bright blue lamp on that one shaft of light coming down all the if you look at all the. A lot of the interior shots are brightly lit even on the bus at night, you know. There's a lot of artificial, fill lighting going on. You know, this movie doesn't mean. Competently produced in, you know, the production is is, is fine is just not, you know, it doesn't have like a real edgy mood to it. Anything. No, because it's not like like when I say Har it's not hard in the way where it scary is just gory gory. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's not really even hard. This is going to Gore's played for last. Oh, a lot of it's played up for less. Yeah, it's either I was the gore either. I was laughing at it going. Ooh. Oh, yeah. Like this dude right here, you know, I'm sorry. I feel bad for this dude, it, nobody you have to die like this. I'm not even talking about that painful. I'm talking about just looking stupid. No. Early on, like, wow, prejudices. Give kill you in Sochi before your body to the ground at about five twirls air before and eating habits. Flipped his ass. Yeah. It's the having more fun with the gore, the jokes in the movie. They really haven't with the story. Not to say that it can be fun. Not saying it can't be fun and all you know, having some goofy humor in here and having and having to make the sort of a darkly humid comedy. But it points feels like Sam Ramey might have directed this. The tone of it. The tone? Yeah, yeah. But that's where 'cause I'm, you know, that's why I think that the story is a mess right after we get past. The certain point does really turn into a sort of a a cartoon where it starts just make fun of itself like this movie too much like it's a point where I felt like, all right, you know, maybe we should just take a little bit of the seriously right here because there are moments where I don't like the like if you weren't one of the main cast in the movie, you would just there to die. You know, you would just you would just there to be deli meat for the for the predators. Yeah, they were just they were like, if you want the government soldiers in this movie like that, like that, ASA, we just showed your scientists are scientists. Like if you. Like if you were one of the government guys, you were just there to be sliced up by the predator which, okay, we know you need that. But my problem with that. Is that all of them were idiots. They were almost like the soldiers in GI, Joe. They actually got shot. Because this just an army of buffoons. They do the dumbest shit does a part where they leave motorcycles out, but enemies defined and they just get them run off. And it's funny because they leave the right amount for the. You know what I'm saying? It was like the right amount of motives that you will. You always gonna counted them. It was the right amount for this for people to just steal. They just let the keys in there and he's just took him and just born the instant. Motorcycle down the street. It's set up a joke and it advanced the story. It will. It help the characters gift from point eight point. It really well, but come. Garage. I don't even have like a bus ical chain or something for these. And then if you weren't there too, if you weren't there to our our kill other things, then you were there just to like give these short amounts of explanation and and and and what you call it exposition and the way you did it to like if you like, if you were a scientist and his movie, or if you weren't killing somebody, your job is just kind of walk around and look at alien things and talk about the history of it in the past. Oh yes. This is what we did here. We've found this at this time. Oh yes, that is tech right there. And like your boy, sterling k. Michael, Michael, what's his name? K. Brown starting boogie Brown. He spent the whole movie just just walking around either dead aliens are artifacts and just looking at things given explanation and never blinking and never blinking. Although I have to say I really enjoyed him in the movie. Yeah, it looks like he was having fun. He's been an asshole. No man in the movie. He? No, he was. He's, he's. He always playing a good guy. I mean, I guess not always, but here he got to be an actual almost not quite a super villain, but an asshole who enjoys being an asshole. The other guys are crazy, are goofy buffoons, but he really did have some great lines in the film that line that we played earlier in the trailer predator that's sports, hunter, cooler. You know, I don't know if he did that was in the script if he if he ad libbed because there's a lot of stuff he added. There's one line this movie. We talked about how ailing got fucked up. You. He brought the street out here, like I know. That would he miss their daddy? Fuck. Do you know that? I'm paraphrasing very loosely. Once you hear you hear brew it? No, I'm no, no, no, I want you got to hear for yourself, but it is believed you not gonna expect with guys. What wait, what? What are you. No. And you do laugh. You laugh out loud at that man. You know, it's. I think that a with this. You know, you have the people that either you know fodder for the alien, you give their explanation, the fan services, clumsy to try to repeat some lines and very quotable is at least one from one of the other films, but I don't know, man, it's at that point. I'm just kind of like, all right, you know, it's not so much accommodating more than just a kind of a mess. But that was just me. Okay. Done. I'm just passing it on. I'm not done, but I'm passing on. Why never know when you're when you're done, what am I tell you? What I'm doing when I look at you like the. Stared. I, you know what? I guess. I never thought of it as a mess. I just thought that it went grateful while and then there's a point late in the really by the time we got to the final climax. It got sloppy and I guess that's just what happens sometimes. But I mean not to give it a pass, but you just see it happen. So many times where it's like, well, I mean, what do you guys want to do? This is how these things go. And I'm not going to stretch myself to come up with something brand new for this, but it it's a, it's a, it's a fun ride. That was that was what was the prising to me and what allowed me to get past like those those motorcycles being there. I'm like, all right, getting hung up on motorcycles, just happened to be in one spot like you look at this movie wrong. It doesn't care about them looking in Rome. I'm looking at. That's that's kind of a sloppy writing right there. The tweet like real writing something clever and funding bringing the bringing a a different tone to it, but writing something badly. No, no, no. I mean it is. I mean, like I said, it's just a joke that actually I I laughed at, but it's where they do a lot of getting around pretty fast and they were in one place one time, and then time kind of speeds up and slows down for them to move all over on the board. But it's just it's just kind of fast and loose at at that point. I one of the characters I didn't think. I think nobody expects to like that. I did was Livia money because they go, oh, she's too pretty to be a scientist. I thought she carried it well, and there was a lot of as much as they could throw in a misogynistic joke. They could also take one and flip it and go the other way among was good. Yeah, I mean she was and she, she would made her work well in the movie. I'm not saying it was that good, but she did as an actress and certain ways they wrote a, she worked well with the guys. Yeah, Yep. She she, she worked well with them. She didn't seem like she's a stick in the Monday. Got to carry all the comedy, and she does none of it. She's able to to deliver her smart ass lines. And even the way she interacts with some of them individually, the way they are, I thought worked. It was like, all right, that's good. Because usually one of these things once once the roller coaster is going, nobody wants to stop and having moments. And I think a lot of what makes us movie is those small moments, the things they they'll talk about the everyday things. When you feel like a, we're gonna action. We gotta keep going AWOL. But what about this though? And I just want to sit here and watch TV and I looking to get killed, but I can't say enough about Trevan Tae roads. It's almost with. I wish he could be the star of the movie. Yeah, nothing is boiled Holbrooke because he's, he's got a certain thing he does at works, especially for this kind of tough guy, more of a southern kind of thing. He's as competent. So you believe in him, but Trevan zero a real sweet. He brought a lot of dimension to his character in a movie that you just seems like, oh, I didn't even think we're gonna get anything and they give them a good back story. Yeah, they try to actually try to write him well too. Speaking of story, I do think that it tries to evolve. I mean, it's definitely is the one as as I was saying trying to connect it self to the original film, the most all these movies. But I think that this trial, Steve all from that last point. But some of that is also. Clumsy too, because a lot of times is trying to is it hanging on to tight too old elements from the franchise where they almost feel forced in our even out of place with the con- Tony taken here like. Especially trying to outdo the original because there are times when it's just because they're just trying to make it bigger and better just to say, hey, you know what? We're just doing it bigger and better than original. We seen the predator. So now we gotta make a predator in this in the guys with the Merck's. As I said, you know the, the guys in the in the first movie they would. They would tough and they were killers. Well, we're tough killers end were crazy. You know, this is like, all right, that's, that's cool. But it didn't feel didn't feel natural too much. And I'll even and I even say that some of the things that they did bring it as new elements. The reason why the mega predators work. A whole lot of me is because. They explain why it's a mega predator, but it's a week explanation. I mean, there's one those explanation, but these walking around and just say, oh yeah, because he has this and then you realize what you gotta have shit, just you just wanna big credited here. Okay, that's cool. That's what everybody wants to see if you're gonna keep going. You gotta escalate. Yeah, that is true, but I just thought it was we explanation Ford. Again, going back to some of the writing here, which in the moon, it's not trying to get deep, but you know, least pretend like you move them. And I also appreciate that they kept some of this mystery the, there's a lot of things that they introduce it, then not gonna follow through on and explain with this, and that's because that's because they want to keep this open for sure a sequel and they really do set it up hard for a single right next guy take that. Yeah. A really bad as equal to say, like, you know, again, trying to ball things, but at the same time. I'm glad they kept us a mystery because these predators come across like they just don't know what the fuck they doing some time. That's where it starts get silly they have if you really think about whatever plan they had a very poor planets are, especially when they reveal the plan that I came down when when they said, well, this is what what he what he wants to do. And I'm like, well, he should it kill out of people leading up to. This is a much better way to do that. It really is. Social skills are terrible. Hey, listen to me. If you could come over here. So I can explain this. Explain this. You hit it right on the head like he's trying to tell us some, but we say, okay, we're listening. But when you just stop killing people, five minutes to stop hunting. Sorry, man. It's just what I do. Put the fucking boomerang down a moment, man. Okay. I promise promise. Does not meet. That's my dad. That's my day. We might get somewhere. And if they fading if they fighting us the fighting each other and it said. Predator on predator violence. Stop there. That was just said that predator fight that we saw. Bad for them little. I know it looked like a light, somebody intellectual by beaten up a little bro, Haley like that. When that lasts burger beatdown. Man, it was like. It was like a eighteen year old boy beaten up in six year old little brother. Guy just went limp. Yeah. He's thinking about that. He's like, yeah. What the fuck was looking up at the sky right now, like, man, I should not have done this and if you wish you and he looked like a little boy trying to fight that the president like looking comes at him, like he runs, you could tell. He don't know how to take a look at this when he runs out them looking right here. Get out of my room. Little monkey Ron. The president was mad. Making my treble halfway across the galaxy get. So as come in. Mama, say, bring you. Fucking flooding late from me. You know, this is I, I. Like I said, I there moments that a fun in here and there people who were really fun in the movie to I'll go back and say, you're right, Libby Munn. I was surprised by her. Sterling k. Brown. I really that guy. I know that you like to do from moonlight, but sterling k. Brown man. He's, he was the one who was having the most fun with the movie while being the best performing the movie to me like he just they just wrote great lines for him. I was nervous about him when he first came on the scene because he's just chewing gum, and I was like, wait, is this going to be his character that he chews gum all the time? Yeah, you know, I thought the same day man and digital that gum too, and actually made him cool yet. Do such a good actor. He just knows how to chew gum professionally better than you. To the whole movie chewing gum, looking at prejudiced. Man, I really enjoyed him in the movie. The only thing with this is that I appreciate that it's cool that they tried to go for fun with the movie, but I think they really did prioritize labs and gore to a certain extent, where think as movie would along whatever cool store, they thought that we're presenting and they did have cool elements there. They kind of fell by the wayside. I mean, they just can't little bits and pieces of hints of a better story there because they were sacrificed for the last and the blood. So I think that it's a bad movie at all. Some people going to stay. I'll say this right now, some people going to hate this because everybody has the predator movie that they want to see because we've had so many different versions right up to that point. Right? And plus this so much every predator movie that comes out this so much emphasis on the nostalgia of it, it'd be in the predator that I know for me while I'm my nostalgia for the. The original movie definite whole nettle, but this film I'll give it a rental, give it a fun rental man. I really unbased basing that on just sloppy storytelling and in this small attention to detail that they just let slide. But like I say, I do think it's fun. Good. Okay. Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm not queenie about predator now, say that I'm not queenie about it. Either. I calling you taking humane. Supposed to do this and if this before and if you don't do this this not really predator. Yeah, they already sent this part up in talk about that. I just wanna real me. But yeah, I'm not quitting about predator. I, I mean, I don't dislike it, but the same time when I look at it, I go. It's not that I think it's stupid. I just think it's thin. It's just it's an integral active hunter and I, I mean, once you go into the planet that was doing something new with it maritime it come here, Mike. So we get more this and I feel like maybe shame black just sees things the way I do where he looked at it. He's like. What am I going to do here? And then look at these. You know, I was in the first movie and I knew ridiculous. It was gonna take that. And, and yeah, I mean, I see this is kind of silly, so let's go with it and let's go at the last and you're absolutely right. It's sacrifices in doing any kind of cool story or really developing a coup story for the laughs and jokes, and I'm okay with that because it was like, hey, I'm actually entertain. I'm not just chuckling through this movie. I'm laughing out loud mostly at it'd be a dark comedy, which is my favorite genre anyway. But at the dialogue, the different gags it's constantly moving. It's sometimes it seems almost too fast, but but not in a bad way in that way of like, man, I gotta rewatching again because I noticed some jokes and some things that happened. I missed that. I like to see again, I could rewatch us when we begin now on on the bedside yet. A lot of it happens in the dark, so you can't always make out what's what's going on. The CJ is good at times. And other times it's can be very weak. If that's something that you deeply care about, I can. I can see that that wasn't an emphasis. So it didn't bother me so much. But I know some people do get that nose out of joint over that. And it's one of these movies where man predators will slaughter anybody whose name is not in the credits prominently. It's almost like extra gone dead, dead dead. Okay, you, you would live, you build third, some I'm gonna. Take push you away shit. If you wear craft services, you might. But anybody you recognize they ain't going away right away. It's just going to talk some a little bit. But like I said that what bothered me? I, I had a great time watch this movie. It just gets sloppy toward the end and in the very ending that sets up the sequel, I was like, okay, I don't. I don't care for that at all. And it. It didn't even feel like the rest of the movie. It was almost as if the studio came and said, yeoman we gotta sit up there seeking shame, lex film in that. And he's like, well, we got this second unit. Another writing in that part felt like the rest of them actually think that Indian was Harb. Yeah. Ending was a terrible ending. It was almost like the it was the kind of ending where they kind of wrote it at the last minute they need a c. Yeah, yeah. It feels so tacked on. But honestly, for my entertainment value, it's a, it's a matinee. Okay. All right. There you go in tow you. I don't know what's going on in the past few weeks. We just can't get along. We got closer. This did we get closer? Okay. Because the last few weeks, you know when me and Martin would me and my like, especially last week we didn't like either movie. We just we just gonna agree on which moving allaying. Yes. Last week. I like we're moving marketing. Oh, okay. Do you know what I see more. Now that I'm looking at the moon. That's the thing that Cuban. Alien. Predators, extreme weakness tracks. It's praise again. Kim's to joy. Not a predator. That's sports hunter, bread abyss. Cool.

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Why Struggle is What Makes Our Story Interesting

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22:06 min | 1 year ago

Why Struggle is What Makes Our Story Interesting

"Welcome to the pick the brain podcast where we pick the brains of the brightest minds in the areas of health self-improvement predictively and kicking ass at life. I am Jeremy Fisher always alongside my co host. Erin falcon. All right, Erin today. We have got a message that was released in twenty eight teen to Stanford University graduates from sterling K Brown, and he is an actor who's done quite a few things. But he's best known for his role his powerful EMMY winning role in the TV show. This is us. Have you have you watched this as I had no idea about what the show is? Or who this guy is I was riveted from the jump as he began to speak. And so I am very excited to talking about. This did this is another one of those speeches. That's just way too much for us to be able to cram into one episode. We have broken it up into two Soad's. We're gonna have to partner another two part episode. Honestly, it could have been a three part Pacific because there's so much stuff that you typically when we have segments that we talk about segments of speeches is really really. Hard for you. And I to cover all the things that they talk about. And we do our best. But this one in particular is like we could his parked every five seconds of things that he said and talked about that for fifteen minutes, and then done another five seconds and talked about that fifteen minutes. So we'll do our best. But without further ado, let's started with part one of sterling K Brown's speech from Stanford University. Freshly year is part of what was the notice. If my focus was philosophy, and it was a personal revelation, particularly as young man who was raised Christian in Saint Louis, Missouri. I was quite stunned to find that. No one religious group, nor individuals who subscribe to no particular, faith that all have a monopoly on wisdom. There was a wealth of philosophers and philosophies to consult besides the gospels and proverbs the ladder still hold a very special place in my life. But so too now to the form from the perspective in which I live my life today. The divine is accessible to all. So I consulted my big three three three. Socrates Plato and louder. Quite a few pearls of wisdom from these sages allow me to read just a few that helped me get the ball rolling Socrates and unexamined life is not worth living. Hashtag stay woke. Do you have a think about what you thinking about? What do you treat your thoughts that they're real? And you have no control over them. No answers. Just just questions. I think Socrates would prefer it that way. Beware. The Baronness of a busy life. There will be a normal pool when you enter into the real world to be busy always doing always, hustling and bustling. Have you contemplated the importance of stillness? Is being busy the same thing as being productive. I am not an Athenian or Greek. But a citizen of the world like this nationalism versus globalism. This is very Black Panther, right? Who are you responsible for? Are you your brothers and sisters keep it? Or are you only responsible for your own people for your own path for that matter? And lastly, and this is one that that landed really on me. I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance can I get name, man. Look do y'all know some of the people you've had to live in this commencement address. I'm talking about multiple supreme court justices. Multiple mayors of major metropolises metropolis. That's the way you say that word I lived up the, but it sounds metropolises. Tech titans who only need one thing gates jobs. And of course, the Queen or at least that's what we call her in the community for the uninitiated. I'm talking about Oprah. Now from where I'm sitting these people know something they make laws run cities, make prank move the culture. Well, me and Socrates on the other hand swimming in of ignorance vast as the Pacific itself. Just don't know nothing. You know? People. On the dude who takes the words of another, dude. And makes it seem like he came up with himself. That's what I do for a living. I can't believe you got me up and talking to these young people. This is crazy. Take a breath. And I remember, my speech doesn't have to look like anybody else's my speech is my speech. And they came do what I can do. And I can do what they can do. So why am I even try? And it's not for them. It's not even for me. It's for you. It is a reflection of me, and hopefully it is authentic to who. I am as a person. But when I placed the fake, the focus on where it truly belongs on this gorgeous opportunity to be of service to the future of this country to the future of the world, I stopped worrying about how I compared to others. And I just give you the best that I got. Let me move on a player. I quote, this one inspired me throughout the entirety of my speech. The beginning. This is the most important part of the work. Just write something Brown. It. Don't be perfect it on gotta be pretty you can tell them you right in the app and make it seem like a conscious choice later. They won't know nothing. But right something. From plato. We can easily forgive a child who's afraid of the duck. The real tragedy of life is when men are frayed of the light. This one was big. It was big because it reminded me of another quote that changed my life. The quote is by Marianne Williamson, and it goes like this. Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that frightens us. Most. We ask ourselves who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented and famous actually who were you not to be you are child of God. You're playing small does not serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking. So that people won't feel insecure around you we were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. And it's not just in some of us. It's an all of us. And when we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same as we are liberated from our own fear. Our presence automatically liberates of this. Graduates of the class at twenty eighteen do not be afraid to let your light shine. It is your birthright, it is your responsibility. Because we grow together. I remember working on a comedian piece in grad school, and my teacher was asking me to do something that was incredibly uncomfortable as frequently the requests made by faculty in acting conservatory program. Let me remind you that I lo the looking foolish and he knew that. And he did not allow me to recede into my fear. He would not allow me to use that as an excuse to keep from moving forward. He told me it's not about you, sterling. We're all learning from your experience. 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This is like the number one thing I'm talking about always at all times. It's about being reflective on who you are. And what you're doing? And you're going and constantly checking in and as much as humanly possible being in the moment being in the moment is this self self examination. This is you know, I think the exact thing that he's Aristotle and also sterling K Brown or talking about it's it's the most fundamental thing in my opinion that one should be doing. If they're truly interested in self growth is this reaffirm this reflection and the self examination all all the time. It's interesting because you you think that you'd think your brain and your thoughts or just one thing you would think that it's tied to you tied to who you are at one thing. So it would be very difficult for you to think about what you're thinking about right? Like, your your brain is examining your brain. Basically. It's like a weird thing to kind of wrap your mind around. But if you do it you suddenly become conscious of what what you're allowing yourself to think, and it's interesting because if you become conscious of what you're allowing yourself to think very often, you can take control over what you're thinking. And make it be what you want it to be. And if you can control how you think about life in many ways, you've got like controlling your life, or at least the experts the aspects of your life that you can actually control which are small, but still within our power that's kind of where it can all start. So I think it's interesting thing to think about. Yeah. Absolutely. And you know, we talk about a lot on the show in terms of motivation, one of the most motivating things you can do is understand the why behind what you're doing. Why you're doing what you're doing the same thing? Applies for your thoughts. A lot of people times were just thinking thoughts and accepting them without question. The why behind why am I thinking like that? And through through this self examination you can start to understand a lot of baggage that you've built up over time. A lot of other people's thoughts about you that you've adopted into your subconscious, and then bring out through your behaviour into the conscious world, right? And so this this idea of questioning the things that you're thinking is a again, it's like it's really getting to the bottom of who you are. And how you've kind of how your made up, and then how because we are malleable how you can start to change things in your thought process that are working for you. That are holding you back. And it reminds me of one of the other things that he said, beware. The Baroness of a busy life lesson. I know you're going to I know you're going to take. That this is not a coincidence. But a completely is and this this direct, quote is the chapter head is the subheading under one of the chapters in my book, really? See I'm just show that you have not read my book, which is okay. Because it's mostly for women. It's different. It's not that. I haven't read your book. It's that you know, as well as I do that. I have a terrible memory. So give me a little bit of credit. I did not follow the advice on a previous episode of how to actually remember the books. But anyways, this idea beware of the bearing busy life. And I think there's almost almost literally word for word the same thing that he talked about this the thing that I talk about business does not eat, equal productivity. I you can be the busiest person in the world. But without a purpose. You're just busy. You're not productive. And so it's really, you know, this idea over at least the past like twenty years probably longer is that like the busy. You are like that's like cool. You know, that's where you wanna live. And that absolutely is not where you wanna live. Busy is chaos. Right. Busy is not being able to lead an examined life that is the basis for for an unexpected life is just busy. Busy busy. Right. So I agree if you don't leave any margin in your life, or if you don't fight from arginine your life, which is an. Important thing to do if you're if you don't have any margin in your life. And if you don't fight from arginine your life, then you're not gonna have the time to reflect you're not gonna you're gonna move from one problem one distraction to the next, and that's that's the that's the thing to beware of even count. I even take it one step farther. I think people are intentionally busy just so they don't have to be alone with themselves. So in other words, it's active like, it's actively people avoiding themselves because it scary sitting with yourself by yourself, especially the when you're just beginning to do it people are so afraid, you know, that's why nobody can just sit in silence for five minutes. They've gotta grab their phone. Check their Email, scroll Instagram data that these are all distractions from yourself, right? Unless yourself was really awesome in which case spent a lot of time with yourself. Anyway. Well, actually, this kind of leads to the the next thing. We're going to mention one of the things that he said, which is that it's our light not our darkness that scares us the most. So do you think the people remain distracted? Do you think there's a set of people that remain distracted because they know that if things get quiet and they're left to contemplate their life. They might start realizing that hey, there's some things that I'd like to change and those things aren't going to be easy, and it's going to require a little bit of work. I could be really great if I did this. But that scares me that describes the mentality of some people out there. Yeah. I do. Listen failures tough. Right. Like, it's it's failure. Failure is tough. It's hard. But it's not nuanced. And once you get over the original kind of shock failing at something it's very easy to settle into the victimization, self victimize -ation, right? And. It's a very easy place actually, very nonthreatening place to live success and the light is completely nuanced. I mean, if you just think about the difference between dark dark and the sunlight one is one note one is a gazillion notes. Right. And so the nuance and the and and how overwhelming that is. And all that once you realize your greatness, all that, then you are responsible for it is not one note. It's a million notes if you really want to try and capitalize on all of your lightness. Right. As he talks sterling Brown talks about the lightness. They'll lightness lightness about. And so that's very daunting, and it's exhausting. Sometimes just thinking about it. Because there's a wait there. Once you realize how great you are. There's a massive responsibility attached to that to fulfill the the, you know, the brightest light within you. And so when you compare it that versus the kind of one note pain failure, you know, it's easy to see why somebody would fear their greatness or their light more than their dark one of the things. One of the words of advice that he got was it's not about you will all were all learning from you. And he was sort of sharing his story about how he realized that when he's doing something. And he fails at it or successful at it. Either way people are learning along with you, do you think that's a good strategy to avoid putting all the pressure on what you're doing that has to make its, you know, you have to succeed you have to be whatever. Sometimes people are inspired just by the fact that you're try. Saying you think that's a good strategy to avoid that kind of fear that have. Yeah. I do because you know, when you talk about anybody that's made it, and it's great and wildly successful. I'm as interested in their failures as I am their victories. Obviously they came to me because they've had like a huge. I I've become aware of them because they've had a huge shiny victory. You know, whether it's Bill Gates or Steve Jobs or whoever it is or Lee Iacocca, whoever but their their failures their journey and our struggles is what makes them compelling. It's not it's not the it's not necessarily just the success, right? In fact, if you just said one night, Steve Jobs. Welcome created apple the rest was history. That would be a very boring story that was not particularly inspiring right to literally billions of people around the world. It's in the heart. You know, it's the long term struggle had to get this idea out to be the president to get fired from his own company than watching them drive in. Like, all these things are very very interesting and make up the complexity of interesting people. I agree. I mean, that's what makes it. Good book or good movie that Will Smith the pursuit of happiness movies. It was based on the with the story of Chris Gardner who was, you know, addicted from apartment, and he's got his son with them and their living from shelter to staying in bathrooms that tr-, you know, bus stations train stations. When it was that story was like an hour and forty five minutes of the struggle and overcoming struggle. And then the last like five minutes is the payoff the like the, overcoming he gets the job. He you know, he becomes a success. Like, the whole movie is struggle. That's what made it interesting. So I think that's kind of pointing to what you're saying. It's like it's the ups and downs that are really interesting, and we all get to learn from that. So that we can kind of learn how to do that. And I think that's that's that's really I think what we try to cover up. A lot on this podcast. We try to listen to people that whose name we know because they've overcome. They've they've had some type of success in life. No matter what it is. Whether it be with a relationship of their career with whatever it is whatever status they happen to have. But I think what you and I like hearing the most is like what about the ups and downs. What about how did they get there? How did they overcome? And then sterling Scott a lot more to say about that. Which is why we are going to finish try to at least unpack a little bit more. What he was talking about in part to this on the next episode three. Now, let's go ahead and wrap up until next Jimmy Fisher. Reminding you to keep moving keep thinking and keep growing.

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WAVES - Double Toasted Audio Review

Double Toasted

20:26 min | 10 months ago

WAVES - Double Toasted Audio Review

"The starlight lounge presents an evening with the progressive box Let's go tickling the Ivories he just saved by bundling home and Auto Progressive GonNa finally by for that Gal of yours. Ugo extended my condolences. This there's in my own because casualty insurance company and affiliates discounts not available in all states or situations. Let's go ahead and get into our last movie is late and I don't think we're GONNA do this. Other movie was one morning. One one fifteen. I WANNA keep here late even though we've been here before that much of a difference but we'll see how it goes. Afterwards this is. This is not going to be that long review either. It's a smaller movie. And in from eight twenty four eight twenty four only not making any money at eight twenty four dollars and make an art. Does that make an art art. Don't make no money but they're making very interesting films. That mean what they've been able to do is they've been able to kind of told the line between stuff that just has enough story in there and enough mainstream kind of storytelling to appeal to mainstream audiences. But when you get in there it really is a whole lot out of art film going on a Lotta an independent films on art film direction as on our films that look like they could be main stream fill to the point. They make people mad surprised. Somebody blew the studio brain people in there because it was a horror movie Like they comes at night right. Yeah I thought it was a horror. Movie people looking at door for our walking in the woods hereditary. What the fuck is going on here in the midsummer? I'll give up. Is this even hard movie. I'm at a Renaissance Festival is happening. But now you got this movie. Waves waves is is a movie where I feel like the Lisa. Tell you about it the better because because it really is it really is a progression of events where thanks start out one way and then it just take in. It's a story about how it just takes. Just a couple of a couple of unfortunate incidents to not only destroy a person but everybody around the family community the collateral damage. Yeah Yeah and this is what we have at this movie right here. Let's go ahead take like I said I don't WanNa talk too much about and I'm going to try to skirt around things. I'm not revealing much about this. Let's go ahead and take a look at the trailer waves and we'll be back with our review. Loves patient loves kind not room. It doesn't boast love also forgets wrong. They spend hard has an let justice. Justice sweep you know. It's bad I'm trying to give you the tools to succeed in. This world is not in everything I do. This every fact under a lot of press right now getting really discard has come together. on his Oh lord knows narrowed onto way too much hate in my life and all we have is all we have is not the movie one of the things I can tell you without revealing too much is that full of great performances guy. Lot OUGHTA actors in here to actors that we've seen tonight. We've Seen Sterling K.. Brown and Lucas Hedges. And as I said Man Sterling K.. Brown is one of those guys who deserves serves to be very much. Alice actor It what we're dealing here with the families I said is being torn apart by an incident and some of the things that led up to the horrible incident and all the family members in. This are amazing as I said. I'm looking at Sterling K. Brown. Who Very very good in the movie man was good about him is that he has to Kinda capture this balance of not only what happened in the movie but his character has so much to do? Do that character has to be a dad who loves his son protects the sun but also has to be harsh on his son but not like we see in other movies where you know they show the dad being harsh and you just hate this guy. Because he's being abusive doesn't want those rare occasions where you see why he's be rough on his son is maybe it's a little too rough but what is but you don't ever disliked this person. It's I I love how it's that question of. Well is he being too rough. Well maybe not now but maybe maybe it's not clear it's not clear but what everybody abilene is you know they. Don't you know if that if this is another movie he'd be like the the he'd be like the the evil sin safe from karate. Kid this yeah but also there's a point where after you see how strong is as as a father you have to see him become very vulnerable. emotionally broken down later on. It's a performance that has to capture a lot throughout the film. Man in the same can be said with with with With the mother in the Phil who doesn't have as much to do as a sterling. Kate Brown does The mother played by Lexa Demi that's right over there. In those days comes out a the things that come out about her position the family that causes a rift with everything and she has to learn how to balance this all out after you see them being a very happy family man. It was heartbreaking to see. What's going on but it wouldn't be that way at these performance? Oh got damn good in this We'll also the movie stars the whole first. ACT This nothing tragic at all as you just seeing this this well put together family. I think they go to church. And everything live life to the parents. I mean it's it's great great to see a upper-class a upper middle-class black family doing well raising good kids kids greats. Everybody's is living life was like man I feel like this movie doesn't even have any conflict or plot and the way it's shot is so wonderful in different. That was like you know what you have to have a plot. I'm I'm willing to just live along with this and go with it well. It was funny because I was saying the same thing because I know I'm only to what you're saying because watching the movie I was I was looking at how great the actors actors are. But it's the newcomers in here. They're really shining. They really do Kevin Harrison Junior. Yeah S. S. T. Plays Tyler. I was wondering I've seen his kid before he's he was actually guess he's just kinda typecast as the weird fucking kid because he was also the movie it comes at night. Oh he was. He was the weekend Yeah yeah no he. He is great man he really. Is You know character has gone through. So many changes T. has incredible range here and has a lot to tackle just like the other more experienced actors. He goes awesome good son good student discipline athlete to raging drug addicted alcoholic. Munster and and sister in here to is is really good. I can find a picture the stunning face on but You know the the daughter in here is a very good. I see her hold on the League. All you suicide of a face right here. The sister is also just as good man Taylor Russell who's actually has a baby fae. She's she's she's twenty five twenty sixteen thirteen. I mean you buy it for a while. Then later on when she's she's got a boyfriend I'm like it's been six man. They got some intense D- I'll just say look out some intense physical scenes in this movie and it just kind of like man. I'M GONNA go to jail looking at at this. I put up my head like why Y'all showing me this you know it is. She looked so young. It ain't it ain't been like damn. I'm glad she's just like I should have just ruined tonight. I mean she's like I'm twenty five now still taking no chance. I don't want to ask the movie idea I. I don't believe this is fake man. She's twenty five plays a plane like sixteen in the movie. Movie is she is sixteen in the film and she has to carry the second half of the film because her families in crisis while her own life is crumbling and yet what I like about the movie is that they don't actually what I like about. Her performance is that they don't play Dat as overdramatic and they could very much. No no no so much much of it that they don't I mean I mean the dramas there when it needs to be but for the most part so much of it is not 'cause I saw somebody referred to as a melodrama I was like I feel like you don't know what a melodrama mellow about this in a nut. The mellow about this at all in fact the direction in it I gotta get. I gotta get credited direction. Direction of the movie is so great. When I'm talking about the direction I'm talking about I'm talking about the how how the tension is ratched? Stop are a cranked up as it goes along it starts even when even when the damage has been normal that cameraman's go crazy years. He's going around everywhere that while they're people just having a conversation to commanders gets bored he just going around in circles to him they just Talkin Command. Sit Out but at the same time. It's admirable that keep things going now. Imagine how much energy is there when people are just living normal when tyler starts to lose his mind and starts to actually become become a little bit disoriented himself as he kind of starts to leave reality the movie takes on a very surreal feel and in and the camera work actually adds a whole lot of tension. I mean I'm looking at how they do. This is a lot of disoriented. CAMERAWORK was surreal lighting to anticipate to intensify. Everything is falling apart around Tyler and his family and I mean you sitting up there and it's just your heart heart is racing in some parts and seeing what's happening in his doesn't help that you got Trent Resona during the music. 'cause you treat resnick can be doing a movie about a cartoon rabbit. He'd be alone. He makes craze as music to what it it also hurt. Let's see how the beginning was just showing tyler as a good kid and you start watching the little things that are happening. That could be a problem. It might not be and then just two or three life changing events and this kid is just too immature to an emotionally. Know how to deal with and that's it. It's funny because I'm with you. I watched the movie I was I was looking at the family and I was looking at tyler pilot and I was looking at how they look at. Tyler what is what is what is what his girlfriend. How caring he is looking at the family and church? You know having dinner with each each other in in in being very playful during dinner even though they look like they're really fucked up pursuing but let us look at it and I was like man especially looking at tyler man. You know what it really is great. This is awesome seeing a really positive image of a young black man and movies. Like oh you like that Fuck you the house. I I would say that. There's there are some before I get into like one of my one of the things that is sensitive to me in the movie. I I will give you some actual complaints. I didn't really buy completely this whole hundred and eighty degree. Turn with tile. That happened a matter of days like this was crazy. How this has happened with him from how they showed US gone from this great kid to like a matter of days becoming a again this monster of a kid? I just kind of way too fast. And honestly the movie for what is doing is is grateful ways telling this story most of the time but they don't need to take as much time as to tell the story this movies like two and a half hour long two hours and fifteen minutes in for me I felt that time I was like you know there's certain things that don't need to go that long because these are just shots that it just kind of taken a lot of time here now. This is somewhere on it. You know I don't I don't I don't expect people see my point of view on Nisa. Everybody and almost expect people to agree with me. And I'm not trying to start anything with anybody with that. I will say this is just a sensitive thing to me I. I can't really tell you what it is what I was split in the movie. So I'll just say simply that there are certain racial situations and and images in certain in certain contexts that don't appeal to me way they're presented the way you you know. Things are the way the the the way that told the story. And how the end with those situations the dynamic of other characters that come in and for me. That was something that I don't I just I just don't like it. I don't like seeing it and I don't and this is a movie. That just Kinda did that for me. I don't you know for me at a time when and you know we really talking about slave movies and positive images about black people in movies especially black man and young black men and how we don't WanNa see them in. The same situation is going to go into prison. Doing drugs being abused. This movie called all this shit and what have been okay. I don't I'm not saying that you can't ever show. Oh that but there are other things that come in Kinda negate that and it just didn't an infamy I. I'm just a more about a positive image. CNN CNN in this be the way it was portrayed in his film and you know I just did it kind of broke my heart because I really love the way began and is almost like you know what I what they were doing which was the right thing. What what I think movies should be trying to do with black images This took a turn. Where like I said I think? Take a Lotta people and come out especially why people come like wow. This is This is so this is so moving this so deep you know this is something where you know I. It captures real life. I'd Nah I was I was I was. I was very disappointed with the turn that it took and Enough and this is something again. That is personal me and feel like it's a shame because the movie is directed so well storytelling and this is still well done that. Like I said there's a lot of just really creative cinematography. There's on to tell the story so many things that are done so well it's it makes me sad that they had to go where they had to go with this kind of store things a lot of things that a lot of things that you hear people talking about. Today I remember hearing. We're hearing a comedian Godfrey talk about some of the exact things that I see in this moving. I agreed with him. I was like God. Damn you know so we gotta deal with this okay so I I'm not gonNA sit up here and say the movies complete bullshit. I'm not you know movie apart because of you know because it really does some great things but really start at at high point for me and just nosedived after a certain point especially after that second half in I'd give it a rental man as sitting next to you. I realized something was bugging you because your legs are stretched out and you wear your white shoes and I see two white feet. Just agitate a swinging back and forth do that all the time anyway. No no no no no no you you do that sometimes but it was like it was during the scene where everybody was pretty quiet and your legs are just see those white shoes. The news was half the second it was done you sprung. Are you a check. It out of your seat left the theater. No not and I did it and I know you like the movie better than I do. So that's why I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to like I'm not trying to come in and say Anthony Anybody but it did it did bug me. Just hearing like some of the special emphasis on the white people walk down talking about. Oh my God this is so moving and this is is so sad and it's like this because it's the image that you fucking all the time of black people is just not in a slave movie you know something else in in on. I just get tired of that. People see in our misery. Be something that is you know is what moves them and makes them feel so bad when we don't even have enough images out that balance that out I yeah it bothered me man. These kind of things really bugged me but again not not to not to say like all the greatness that is in his movie I do have to give it credit for that. Yeah well not to you know what the white people that I found it very moving movie really spoke to me. I mean especially from Sterling K.. Browns point of view as the father and I B he I mean everybody was was for the most part a positive image something. I kept thinking about this movie that except for a couple of minor incidents like somebody getting called inward. This family didn't have to be black. There was nothing about them that made that such the case even with the character. You didn't like like the race. Didn't really play all that much into the story. It was but by by choosing these actors a part of the process. What they did was the director allowed them to interject themselves into to bring their own personal stories into the movie movie? I absolutely love everything about. It's one of my favorite movies. This year the On one thing I will agree with you on. Is that just in the length there are there are shots that go on too long and I actually. I was loving a lot of it because the way it is shot with showing the these these younger kids just being together just enjoy life. I remember when when was it Call me by your name. And the two guys the way they were just kind of touring the countryside in the summer. And you said they reminded you of being young in those times and I didn't didn't translate to me there but with this did this the first forever that made me miss being young I was like wow just some about the way this is filmed in the lighting and the way they are I really feel that I I connect it with it but there are a lot of scenes like that and you one of my pet peeves is how movies when they want to show somebody in love they frolic relic. Yes that was like all right we maybe save some of that off. That's what kept me from given a better insects but still give it a high full price. Love also gets wrong.

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MG 306 - Kind of Bleu (with Jocey Coffman)

Gilmore Guys

1:28:37 hr | 6 months ago

MG 306 - Kind of Bleu (with Jocey Coffman)

"This is a head gum podcast record by non three two one record on. Kgo Record record here we are the Mars village woman bars allies and we are going into space Record record record. Look Gohmert it is gorge. Oh Levin given the poet is my this is my wheel voice. Short film section. You should definitely trust people who like my movie. Five hundred days. You'll simple have good relationships. Never said that can reality defender to the very low. Yeah I like him but you things can be true at the same time. I think you'll unusual leader years musical theater energy. That's not wrong. No I think the Joseph Gordon Levitt into my thing about the metoo movement ever gets pulled into the metoo movement for anything throwing my hand. No no not like if he ever did anything I will. Unabashedly defendant in. You'll be like the people outside the Michael Jackson. I feel like he is. He's one of the men that we're GONNA we're GonNa let onto the island. I think ally island deal. I think he's going to be on ally island is HBO DROPS. A two part dog called leaving third rock from the Sun. I wow I'm leaving earth L. Leaving early for Alice. Welcome to the marvelous mixes who are you. I'm Alex and we're what an energy such energy I love it. We should should. We can text. Here's what we should do. We should towel stop playing the theme song immediately. Fade out just a heart. Wow and then we should asap introduce our guests asap. Asp ASAP on this a ESPN okay. Well friends she's a comedian. She's rider you may have heard her jokes or the show already know you. Did you hear? Yeah if you were in the room. She's wonderful she's one of the great everyone. Give it the hell up for Josh Kaufman and I'm doing I'm doing the things you did. This last time wearing outdoor voices all sweatshirt of a man inside voices back door and you will not see this outfit in the photo for the okay. We have continuity issue. We have to talk about it. We have to talk about it now. Let's get it out. We all right okay. All right what. No No. No no all right hit show. We I thought you said Lord Life Like Martha Mary Produce Oil Job Lords. Next he's like why did I deal? Was what you like my three chords. I can play guitar so you are listening to episode three. Oh six right now for the marvelous dare you. How dare you but this is not normal hash I this is not normal. We cannot normally is the snow so we have recorded episodes all of them. This is the final episode of episodes. All of them. This is the final episode where Ricardo in a way. It's the finale yes. This is the spiritual finale. Headlining seasons people will listen to two episodes before the show finale macron's Cromwell's released show on. Cbs All access interrogation in which you can watch the eight episodes in any order that you choose because the telling Russia yes. I am on that show are you. Yes okay. I was like I was impressed by the idea that you had to all access pass. This is true though. This is true. Cvs fast. Wow and I am naked on. That show should watch it. Cbs was was it was okay. I love a drama okay. So here's what happened gang. Here's what happened. We were all having a nice time with their nice friends. Also I'll I'll be honest. I was a little higher. I was being a little short. Johnson said later little shy and we were supported this episode. Already this take two of the episode and when I say we recorded the episode I mean we once thought. We recorded the episode. We sat here and talked about the episode where an hour for us and we work through a lot. I truly like if it wasn't used the gas if it was someone that was less familiar with or impressed by address by Tomkins. Imagine if I didn't hear record offerman was the guest for episode three zero six kind of blue but we I didn't hit record. Se Thorne and I do you see guys like recall my face at the end of the episode when I looked over how horrified you are and then Alice's don't make us do a May emotional labor for you and making you know that this is okay. When I was six I was like pre exhausted. And he was like I already knew and had to deal with the fact that we'd have to record again and then. His reaction was so intense that I was like I can't with also no no no. That's not about you like that's about my shitty so I was like Listen I need you to? Hey Hey stay with me. And there's nothing I love more than a second chance so take two. Yeah let's maybe curt I Johnson. I'm an optimist man. I'm really sweet. But you can think of no better person to rerecord an emphasis. Really the only thing that I thought would be said in addition to like. Oh we're going to say things and be like. Oh really you know interesting. Act In that way I can act. I don't I don't remember how we got to Justin Bieber. Pain in a mop bucket could no. I can't retrace that. We did that in the last supper so we did that. We did that. Holy Shit. How did we get there? It was the angel in Heaven Sounds like a Justin Bieber. Song maybe equals one less lonely girl. They don't sound out to save his head. But there's there's many ways going for the same audience. They're like lonely women being like Justin Bieber has a solid Justin Bieber. Has a song called die in your arms. That could easily be a shy. Baldwin's on Oh one less angel in heaven. This wasn't true when we started this season. But now it's on. It's on spotify number one in its weight. It's had more streams and Billy Irish Housley combat. This is what they wanna hear. This sounds like a play. Die In your arms please. Yes this is by beaver. Be Nice to me. I mean I know I familiar with In literally every show. Shy Baldwin. Okay Yeah but this is a welcome this. I would welcome this other show. Baldwin concert would be good. I'd be like Oh God. No so we're on. The twos enforced layer in layered. And maybe Oh this is. This is a retro fake. They got the funky drummer. This is somewhat air beaver vibrator Amazon. But it's missing one thing. Let's listen Tra o o o the TMZ sound midges material is ramping. Up to a fuck Bill Clinton and left Phyllis Schlafly. I mean just the thought of a at the time like twenty to twenty one year old kid having that hot of a political to take any president so wonderful was he george. Bush was president when he made. This is twenty two thirteen. An Obama era fuck Bush was president. He was like breastfeeding man. Like you probably know Dana. Carvey remember that no. Would you guys really not remember this? The the opening sketch on the Dana. Carvey show this oral history. Abc that followed home improvement because he was a huge sarcoma snl in the castle like him. Colbert corral all these amazing people in the opening cold open. Sketch him as Bill Clinton breastfeeding puppies shirt eight teats. My favorite bit from that show was. They had like a different niche sponsor. Every time so they'd have like bark. They changed the name of the show. Based on the sponsor Barks Root Beers Dana carvey show Taco Bell Dana carvey whatever corporate sponsorship that like needed them the most and then just you like completely off kilter sketches. Like until they're like we don't want our name associate drive into which I'm fully chilies. Mazo going God cast Diet Barks Root Beer specifically the people for Diet. I started I with all the influence our culture out there like I was trying to talk to my friend about like what what would be the good like what things should become a fake influencers for an we'd settled on cares pair. Nakodar near Nectar. And it's like all fiscus I have seen just the nectar. Yeah paranaque during but normally I see an can. I need to cut this out but I do need to show this to you guys. This is from the to find a documentary on Hulu Which is about the carbon show to really really well done and I do need to really loud sniff. I I get a filter. I made specific for you. Oh Shit not believing what we had foisted on this audience. Abc Tuesday worst fear of losing. The child died. Never know watching your episode so powerful. It's to see what it is. You do a special home. Improvement followed by the Diet Mug root beer. Dana carvey show choice. Turns Worst Mug Root Beer Dana? Carvey show them on Miss Thinking Josse? The listeners are hearing this for the first time. Oh what's your relationship with the marvelous? Mrs May goodness well. It's kind of a sub dom relationship no specifically because this isn't like I like it telling me what to do. I like it one less lonely angel. I like seeing Mitch's mom. It's really weird that we have again multiple iterations of Angel in heaven. And we still haven't seen Midge repeat of Fucking John O. To answer your question I watched all of it in the last two weeks. Kevin was looking for guests versus the three of this show on their stay in the instagram. Yeah you got. You Got Thirsty and I respond to your thirst and guest call sing relationship. I'm thinking about all the people I didn't respond to any they would just left Thurston. Wow like I wish I could be on the maze of Lloyd. Scott Gherman can you imagine he's like I won't be on? Hey Kevin sounds fine pun bonds document point. I'm buying WANNA be on your show her band. Yeah so I watched all of it. I really liked season one. I thought season I want season on a high. I was like this is a good show. There's so many female characters and they're not making like I mean that sounds dumb. Say they're not making a meal out of it but I was like you have different kinds of women here the Susie Meyerson characters got some Panache I like I like and then also in one was when What's your face Soviet? Lenin was cool shoes for. She was canceled canceled Sophie. Yeah Yeah fully ca through the character and of the best. Yeah Yeah Yeah and I honestly like a jolt Badin Season One. I kind of felt for him in season. Two Joel now. I don't know he's out to see a lot of characters a little APP to see in the season but let's align each of them with a sister okay. Let Suzy Jo. Yup frikkie and Midge a mix between meg and amy. I think I think amy saw. I was going to say but I think there's still a little bit a Meghan. Her and that she does gray. I think Rosie's meg which ones Rosie her weight rosie that's her mom grows rosy rosy rilke rosy rosy and rosy. Okay did WHO's Who's Beth who do we want to the sickly esther? Her daughter an ashtray esters. Maybe maybe a Shirley really I've so I'm consulting my notes. Which is all the character I would say. Gee Why would say Joel could be Beth because you wanNA take care of him? Why I I have no reason to say that he gives me scarlet fever. Okay amongst of nature. I'd say that Joel's Beth but he would never feed the homeless by himself. You know that's true. They made go pass out these sandwiches mid they themselves may blaze piano sometimes true true. Oh you know what else we lost in that last episode that we didn't record. I say we I didn't hit record. It's no didn't record. We didn't I I hours should be. Should I have filming everything whenever I walk by that little machine with blinky buttons? I hit things because I went to the bathroom twice. Yeah I do remember. You went to the bathroom but also we missed all my shy Baldwin or no my all my Reggie Impressions Oh sternly yet I don't know no no let me remember. Wait was Reggie ingle one. Reggie comes back this episode wind scene at the they really do. You think they just really couldn't get sterling K. Brown just like cast too big of a person who works too. Often I think Zeke. It's literally underwritten role No because he's he's got a good chunk in the finale. Oh I think he's wearing the show as an ass condition of him being part of the show. It's like all right. I don't want to be like. Don't you disagree? Single either too much and when they have that like use them wisely. Yeah I don't think he was used very wisely in this episode. I mean it was a meaningful plot moment for sure but I I don't. I don't remember wine worse. I I liked the way they used to the end of the stool set. Yeah he owns a fever dream. I don't remember said stool set tonight. How are we doing cry? Get these knit eyebrows. Do you really like throwing some sensuality. Oxytocin gravitate Sterling K. Brown hot okay. I want confirmation up to us. I mean he is. He's a very attractive man. He takes his shirt off a lot and this is us. Ya takes his shirt off a lot on waves to Jackson waves staying. It's another reason to watch that movie. Yeah listen number. Three hundred sixty five days a year. This is going to be a viral marketing campaign for six kind of Blue Amazon. Prime Synopsis Is Abe and Rose Find Respite from Queens visiting Mitch. Joel may squabble over a liquor license for the bar. Image helped shy out of scrape. And now it's time for a segment we do on the show. Cau- here we pop culture reference in the episode and put them in a Super Cairo in a super cut. This is three oh six or seven and Castillo bit ever good enough and Julie Andrews has complained by equity did a rousing for you got to hear sex. Their American checkoff Berry Fan. Who worked for Agnes de Mille suddenly forgot what a pain in the ass? Elvis was who Kamala John Wayne Way to lead the witness? Perry Mason or I laughed twice. I laugh wartimes when I saw Red Skelton. So you're half as funny as the one. I did. Look Agnes de Mille. Who was a dancer? Choreographer in a big deal passed away win. Ladies and Gentlemen Nineteen Ninety Three when you watch a movie Set New York before one thousand nine hundred. This is different. You know for instance has basically attribute movie. Yeah then there's the Elvis the do you think they made worst blink. Ever jokes in the sixties does not seem like solidly like two thousand Rom Com Roadway Abbott and Costello bit. Oh totally know. Isn't the Comic Book on Simpson's? Oh yeah every that's when it was it. A comment is comic. Book Guy Commenting on now. I think you think that I think that's absolutely you'll walk so comic. Book Guy Abbott and you find out that Dole has a child who ends up being comic book a joke like that and he's like what did he the worst ever and then so he was like why did you say it that way. Why did you say as Joel? Talk to you as those. That's that's a commitment. That was kind of funny interesting. Turn of phrase that's interesting that's stuck with me. Should I address to be good for another thirty five years? I'm a think about it though. Should I address more like Joel? I like his show Joan okay. Did you address this? He wore like a stringed sweatshirt drawstring sweatshirt in the last episode we saw him and I was like also is that in the sixties. How long have we had hoodies anyway? A drug string theory was it in this episode. Three not in costuming any these testing in between his line takes tag worst ever trust him. We went wins. The hoodie previous episode. Couldn't remember how long I made you guys watch so that we can see the. I know but you know something. I'm glad we don't have to Redo because it turns out there's pigeons and I. Alice thought she had a real Gotcha. You guys notice. There's pigeons in this clearly data pigeons and then we said no they did shoot a Miami also pitching in Miami figured out a double Nacho. Not a Gotcha figured out the Avian. Population of fairly pigeons are nuisances. Like the good like very common look really Harlem Statue of Liberty in the back seat once again. I thought it was on set. And I'm like did they grab a pigeon to bring in and then I was like wait what you see on the beach in Miami and then I thought Oh they filmed it at fire island And then I was corrected multiple times yeah checkbook and not go to Miami for this show. Love the idea that that somebody offs the pigeon. Hey I'm trying to shoot the bitch patients also a communist and he's like can I attack. Oh that's sad that then. He can't participate in the. We're talking about that scene with Abe and Asher as played by Jason Alexander Costanza himself. I thought they were GonNa talk about shrinkage given the beach. I think you had a second chance. Second chance to nail it. C- comedy is about Lee. How kill ation it's about doing? The comedian is slowly over. Can I honey having both heading your hair? I'm like listen mentor. I don't think I was going to put the emphasis on the tour We can talk about how the episode opens up with the plant face. Magoo herself Midge. Mazel watching this morning for the third time this I realized how mad I am about the slats lake. Then she turned down. Just late in Lenny. Bruce's chair saying he would never cheat directly outside of his hotel room did she say pool. Yeah that's what I literally ways. I'm sure Lenny would have been fine with you sleeping in his drive to an earlier. Yeah but you get in proximity. It's like even with a five foot rule becomes no for Roy Sir. I mean chemistry. I wouldn't have slept. Not like you can really get a good night's sleep on a slap tear knowing you know and then like what's what's what's what's the mood there. She kicks a ball she knocks the CGI ball in a scene from avatar itself. Genuinely I hope someone puts that. Cgi ball effect on a effects. Real it somehow. Sometimes we see a car shot in this show wins at Tony like video game. No I did talk about how like I did. I expect in the year. Twenty twenty of our Lord to watch an Amy Sherman Palladino show in the Santa Myself. Wow Lot is CGI. Did you know that Jason Alexander didn't WanNA come into film this? So he kept. Who who smoke. Yeah wow this whole thing where all the balls caps. Yeah so at home green screens okay. So how's things ZANDER's there's a bit of a Zadie? I Yeah I think him and monk are both a bit of his addy Manca fully get. Yeah like Primo macher. Like show Lou Lou. What sounded like a stocky? Stocky like a little furry chest and trunks midtable. Yes a formidable like a soccer soccer soccer. Also I think a lot of it's attitudinal. Good casual he's comfortable in every social interaction like bowed neuroses to him to be able to play Costanza yet confident man so I think when you grow up only seeing him as George Madam Alexander. He's like James Gandolfini Energi single woman. Berkeley you're single woman. You see this man on the beach. Ooh What do you say the other Fedora? I'm in I haven't even seen that guy runs a bait shop. He's going to run. This bake off so freaking. Oh we could get you know what we could go a little chronologically. So we're talking about things at a slightly different way. Do Love the needle drop of again how they just use straight on the drops. Yeah actually the other song they use them. Singing in the rain. Is The song beautiful girls which is one of my favorite undersung girl? Guys just like were selling dresses movie. You've seen in the rain a jukebox musical of assorted existing and fifty nine. So it would be okay. So this scene when Midge is with her parents and she's going to her calendar. Yes and it's a teeny tiny card calendar. Was this joke of like. I work at Boston phone. But it's the sixties so it's a little paper iphone because she's like swiping it basically and she's holding it like she would her low iphone eleven. Pro You know. I think this is one of those things where just I agree with that. I think the job can and this is. I mean I like that. That would be your iphone case Orca weird like saucy little thing. It's so interesting saying you're finding new information in this car. I if if Rachel. Brosnahan was acting like sorting through paper. She'd be looking fingers doing. I think she does. Yeah a lot of business show because I think Because the actors have no latitude on dialoguists be word perfect syllable finding their business where they can. I think something which is why I am really impressed. With what Sterling K. Brown does where he can be. Wordperfect still do enough. That feels like different energy interesting thing about different tempo. Rachel has her arms going. This is not good for podcast. I can take a video and then we can post okay gloves. She's like imaging just like here. I'm at Abraham. Vian Abraham is a makeup counter lions Abraham Rock. Abraham Abraham is a local office in Iowa. That William Shatner does the commercials. It's a minute I'm it's all I know for a lot of my life. Yeah at the Monster Mash. Did the man how it was a month. Mitch is be like Joel Joel. Esther she's waking up from a NAP constantly moving. Wow I do get that though. It is funny. How love hand internalized people's like well? It reminds me of being in high school theater and the day you put on your character shoes. Wait this this show reminds you guys. Cool theater somehow. Oh Wow they're like you find your character. She was in the directors like now. This will change everything when you become the character and you're like oh. I'm wearing a bit of a he'll now I'm lady. Old Lady like if I were I'd be like it's kind of a native furry slippers and I'm like I because full chew mode that's you. That's you in a relaxation state. Yeah that's true. So if he's reversing the play they she does a good job. They don't show it. They do that. Find Theatrical to speak in the theater the theatrical thing where they just changed the lighting even though it's the sensory fun. Do you remember how dangerous mind that Clooney Movie I. I remember I did not see it came out in two thousand and two start Sam Rockwell and some other people a. He did a lot of this stuff in that movie. There's so many things in Mazel their remind me of the two thousand and two movie cash dangerous. We showed the passage of time within the same shot and it was this the actual convention Sam Rockwell. Just changes clothes in two seconds then ran across. I think that's really fun. I like to make make all the actors do all the stuff that is just like that right. Yeah we love it clearly. Written Palladino loves soon. I wouldn't say that really. Yeah because she is Broadway. It's I don't know what would lead you to say that. Who Do you think's her? Favorite playwright is not musical theater Carlos Miller and well she got ashes. Show an Arthur Miller. Stand which we haven't said yet right. Oh except 'cause Asher Miller's middle name and he's been in trouble the hell out of yeah. He sells worms. Did you guys just like look at this guy. The producer and just want to fricken medium tater tots and maybe a Dodge Sexual Peter Gross. Who's one of the sonic guys from the Sonic commercial like? Oh yeah this. Sonic actor following episodes as well. Yes yes he plays. He plays the lobbyists on veep. And he's also a writer for coal bear and he's shows pin thing. Yeah he's always he's Mike that's right funny. We Love Mike Pence. Might be lying. If there's like one person can't be ruined for me. It's like if she's I don't know do it's Tom. Hanks Mike Pence Miss Riders. That's Roger. Can you imagine? Mike Pence's Mr. Oh this is really just like I just fell out of the bit I was like I don't like this at all. Policy violently shook out of like this feels live in with sugar something like blasphemy. That's that's the closest I feel blasphemous feelings. I like Amy Sherman. Palladino directed this right. I think it's I think she's a courtesy. Her competency as director like she does cool moves and like yes. She's GonNa there's a lot of care and attention to the movement of the episode. Amy Klobuchar are totally hitter. A senior and she's GonNa you know but she's Allen. I shouldn't get things across the aisle. It's one of those things were like on Gilmore. Where she was like you know it was her first directing Steph ever. You couldn't really. You could send some version of the direction we're psychos law wide shots and Lama one but then having money to burn show. Oh that's what you're starting Ashley wants the show to feel magical in a way like end marvelous so to speak and Mrs. She wants to show to feel Mrs. You know what I mean. I get a little exhausted buyer big swings but other times. I'm just like he cares about that. She's trying to make this feel different and bacon. I totally you gotta wonder what her feature debut is going to be like if it ever comes to talk about. Well we talked. We talked about this with future guests. Where she there was a story that came out last year that shoes attached to write and direct gypsy. Another movie version of feel. Like if sh- if we asked her five years ago with her dream movie director would be would be yes. Yeah right in here feels like a blank check thing. Yeah yeah so I mean it would probably be great. Yeah you think. She'd work again with one of the women she's worked with. Mccarthy was lobbied about McCarthy goes up for too much stuff though. I don't need McCarthy's Ursula. Do you know what I mean like. I think McCarthy works in. I need another spy for McCarthy. You know what I mean. Yeah instead of another Lake Freshman tatting thing or yeah okay for weird mom of the year thing. That was weird with a kitchen. She needs to unfortunately the kitchen was so she needs to work with her husband. Less her husband doesn't make good movies. These great though her she loves her husband and I think they have the most fun making them been. Her husband is a good actor. He's like really good. I've seen him in roles dramatic roles. Do He's relaxed. Oh he's really great but somebody tell them what to do is be a good writer too and he just needed. Something happens though man. It's a it's a bummer. Who would you cast as a mom and Gypsy? Mama Rose on you play. Rose Wait Ray. Who's WHO's the daughter in Gypsy. Oh I don't know. Is it rose anything about gypsy? Have you seen it? No you can literally just block it out because of trauma now. Isn't it sweet? That fricking in kept in touch with the mobster. Frank like them. I like silly silly. Auxiliary Caravan. I feel like they want one one like a Mako wish and got on this show to me. I don't know but I'm cowl of this podcast. I feel like I mean. If you're Randy Jackson they kinda feel like a classy or classic hearken back to like Townie culture on the Gilmore girls. I wish literally statler and Waldorf show. Somebody mentioned one weird season three episode of Mazel where everything's normal into the characters are played by muppets. Don't explain it it's not like a fantasy or Torrisi quits. We see them. They're in a balcony. Still talking to the character is normal. A let's Oh we did this before but we gotta hear it again. The drama of Win Jol objects may helping him get his liquor license. God May over. Here's in the previous episode. Says well I can help. I can do it. You see here. I don't know you see your eyes go like I'm listening in a show that doesn't like super luxuriate reaction shots. Something I are. You trying to distract me cares how you got it. You can't do that because I have to do this alone. Another favors or asking for favors or making a brisket for the liquor guy. And they're gonNa what. I don't want your help with this John Wayne. If you haven't noticed this is a very insular neighborhood. You can't get anything done if you don't get to know gotTa take language fucking great at your rates is this is. I don't think he would be good at charades. I think you get frustrated mad. It'd be like that's fine. We're all bash rating though. I think he'd be insecure. He'd be like I'm doing my best. You guys are fucking charades alone. This is this. I'm just remembering how I said. This is his Grande Torino moment. Hey Clint Eastwood. Hey this would influence your not Asian. How will pay the so mad about the president? I didn't order the teach. Rtd Artsy little talked about we. All Know is such a nice organic thing. Somehow we got. We're doing like unedited version whereas yeah take US twelve. We're we're getting more efficient. We're getting more bits somehow. The last episode honing it there was a bid that ended up with Joel. Doing the shy Baldwin's tool set. But he's doing a stool. Rnc's doing it was me with mid talking to this rule. The stool like Clint Eastwood did at the two thousand eight study. Senator Kennedy. What do you think of that? Mr President I hope the stool like with Senator Kennedy and her about like. Can I be a girl and a woman? How's that Mr Hake? Instead of the audience being like jaws to the floor like walking out there like oh just the normal reaction. They're screaming she's on the stage. At the Apollo giving their standing on a stool catatonic because she's had a thousand lobotomies Shirley. Thank you still very good. It's still good. Drug Administration doesn't have a sense of humor. These sound tempted from Seinfeld. These left open interesting time. They I mean they say that. The women's vote for Senator Kennedy White House because then Cute Cute. Because he's cute could have to be either. Yes yes now I wanna be woman and girl dumped by one and I had to give up. Being a girl was like no. It's going to give up. Give up being. Jerry would hate. If women gave up giving us giving girl girl he wouldn't think or care about one out of color. Do ever seen one seventeen and women can't be girl date them. I've heard the song I enjoy being a girl. I enjoyed dating a girl. Funniest part about that. They met in a park really literally the reason they're like they put signs creditors. Says he didn't know her age because they met in a park. So it's like Oh oh meetings and cars driving their girlfriends to soccer practice if they'd met at high school choir concert maybe he'd no. This is like such a thematic and all her stand up to where it's like women were told to be this. Actually no we can be more like everyone's on board for the message. I am thank you. How does this progress Seinfeld under it? But let your horses getting out of swimming. I have cramps krantz cramp today love having the vote and voting. You get a pin. I really admire all. Those women who marched to earn that right protested and wore white. Which maybe they're great a sacrifice because white is a very tricky. I don't agree. I think whites classic. Is this the joke the episode where we joked about a clansman leaving goes to collect hood at the coach? Klansman for me. Not Welcome here. We just came to Miami to have nice else. Came to Miami. Was Rose in aid. That's true. Yeah she's also I mean she's dissing my aunt or the color white wearing the color white in Miami. Which is maybe where it's most accepted the most cultural. They should be called silent for that like we done and they let linen pants and they're like okay. Well Yeah Rosen. `Ave watching it a third time. Yeah there's really no reason that they're here they? They're not really having a good time. They're also they're broke. I'm confused about their financial situation at this point like they're very much do not have enough money to go to. Miami suddenly and I guess they're seeing in her room and I'm like well who's paying for the sex life as well. She doesn't have a second. I like calling. Mitchell slaps closed Baldwin team to get her another room at the second night. Oh is that what she says? And honestly under Reggie Watch. Oh He's he's given parents for your room now. I know. I don't think we talked about it. Why should the last time I talked about this? That's why we almost did a spoiler. Oh Yeah no sport leagues because now we've seen it all she has been. Are you GONNA finish? Dia Thank you will episodes of worth it for sure. It's the last episode is a lot me to abandon show like mid sees. Okay so I don't have to worry about you. Lose a wink sleep okay. So you're all in great calling my next reporter. Alex Rich Maazel. Why do we think like it's ASP? Thing of every protagonist relationship with their mothers. So fundamentally jacked up this one in particular. This went crazy like this was like it was never great. She never had like a perfect. Like we're best friends like but it was nice. Okay too problematic to becoming literally trauma in front of me like Oh my God. This is the worst mother in the world. It's like very gas lady. Yeah in a way that makes me sad because like there's been traces of like rose being maybe not a great mother like yeah like being like. Oh I'll comedians have fucked up. Parents claim that angle of it really. Does she got a lobotomy? Yeah you're on our way to Florida and you made this lovely point Last time I recall about when actors played characters with disdain yeah unattractive that is to watch your and then there's the thing which I think say again in a future episode about when riders right characters with this. Yeah yes does whatever the fuck this comes and she you know she sucked so she'll get drunk and try to check out of the midges stuff it all and just kind of a big baby about unsupervised really. Don't feel like this is corrected all because I think the rose that we've known in many episodes prior to rose who spoke to young students at the college about what they were going to do with their future is often the voice who says like well. You know you're dependent on a man so you have to figure out what that is not like to be a feminist but to be like a practical like a pragmatic i. I've learned how to live like the only the only thing that is going for you as money. There's nothing in between you and like destitution because you have to depend a man. You have to trick. You're hearing Midge. Talk about stuff like that on stage she would wake up and be like Oh. This is interesting like she would kind of interesting. Yeah she's getting wasted and it's so stupid like if you're so concerned about your daughter and like what she's doing sucks so much that you're like calling it prostitution. If you had the opportunity to see it you wouldn't just get drunk. Yeah you just wouldn't ever since I mean. She's been out in the open as a comic tour parents for awhile now yes. Yeah and it's it's weird that there's been no strong reaction to the actual material. She's doing honestly is probably more realistic to performers and Comedians is that they're like they don't know what I'd do or like they saw show and I said the specific. Yeah even like the Abe Line of like. I laughed twice. I laughed at skeleton for that kind of more gets at the idea of a parents. Not Knowing the best way to engage with the feedback. Stuff Yeah but I I think. One of my favorite Plot threads in this show was like oh the them going to Paris and becoming these different people in a different environment and then after they came back. It's like rose. Take a class where we're on the same page now. We're advocating for each other ever since like that. Weird divorce divorce lawyer stuff. There's been they've just been in this weird limbo with each other where it's like. They don't seem to know or understand each other any more than it seemed like they got to know and understand each other. And why did we look? Why don't we go to literal Europe? Chaz film I just saw that we bought a lot of flight Paris episodes. There's one of them where they were standing outside. A museum in a pigeon was walking into frame Which to me is we should go right now. Your story can't off the cancellation of the summer. Kevin News Akin Sudden No. I didn't expect it to be so rocket. Donna Song it's like sort of rationalized Lanza Kanza laugh and I was doing d'esposito personal I know so. Go out again since the TVOS NO. I WanNa play the end where it is just like with Rosa where sh is all messed up. So Mitch can't perform so. She goes up to rose. Who HAS THREE MARTINI? Glasses fall in front of her and says you have to perform no change. John is beyond. Well that's a shame. Oh she's a some coffee and the coffee so sad to me like that's the part that's what happens. And then she tells her to showed up she seems like this stage mom from I Tanya now or something like. She's like she's like. I made you a champion. She's like shut up shy singing. I love my shy Mike Byrd honor shoulder like honestly altuve Arkan Susie and some episode makes the point and it's like who's listening to shy in Utah like is it like universally popular no rose into shops and I think he would be popular. It's not like it's all music. The weird thing is that It seems like it seems like being like. Oh my mom's really into seal or something like that. He's so he's like a young Popstar for like a young audience. All his audiences are like pretty much. You'd like little lake teenagers to middle aged but like maybe yeah like so he would be like the Bruno Mars Alabama. Yeah maybe that's a good al allegory. Got Said my mom likes Bruno Mars. Yeah Oh mom's that's why I'm saying it does track because because I like Prince Yeah do prints. I can't tell us. Oh Yeah ooh met a prince. Mom Don't let way way to call me out again. I'm from Minnesota so gone Minnesota. Oh yeah yeah so. I'm from Iowa. We got the trickle down. We we get the trickle down body fluids Minnesota also awesome Greg. Long making the doves cry come prince didn't want to Change Cutler what one does come. You know it love. The tune melody is just come isn't going to work on purpose. Come we were talking about The off brand joke us to make the mind on the same subject was not off color but it was just me seeing his name to that Song John McCain John McCain went up in a great campaign song for him in two thousand goes on. The boat was shy and he's pissed. Everyone he through everybody off and then they're just hanging out one of his mood. We remember what their conversation was like. When they're on the boat when the initial vote Combo. Champagne translate please. I was a missiles Mazel and he's always trying to find out if he's if she's single and then we got to go and she's like where the girls and he's like. Oh it's grew in every city. What's confusing you? I like this look for her. Oh I love the. I love the sailing. The boat look rule the bullock whole mood. I LIKE FOSSIL WIND HAIR. Sorry Buzzfeed Alice. Just became a saint buzzfeed quiz mood so it is a whole ass mood. Midges serving team is serving vibe pointing at it this energy in Twenty. Twenty me me me me plugging in appliances. I want this energy. This is the energy. See Turn on my build ME OPENING UP AN LA DWP. Bill ashes like the the energy going to try to maintain levels. I'm not trying to size up for the way they shot the scene like the color timing of the water and stuff it looks. It Looks Pretty Gorge. They're doing a lot of good. Lake overcast sunny days. They had no choice. Yeah they were in Miami shown location Miami. Oh but one thing. We went to the Bali. Sean and Taiwan. Why the money raise money baby Point remained the rough draft recording. That I think is is like this I just. They're constantly under serving the shy care. I agree yes. We do this. And the fact that he was literally like naps. Kloba CHAR throwing food entire staff and the staff and this ties in with what happens next but his staff was literally running away from him running away. It'd be like if you WANNA go over there. You'RE GONNA have food on your and then you get to shine size like he's like what's up. Girl no wait. No one wants to hang out with me today. I was saying before. Like why don't you for the character that you create it as opposed to D- Weird Shaibah is genuinely like a bummer of a Tutti character and even like the the I mean they make their biggest dramatic move with him. This episode feels like so General. An empty it. Yeah more about Midge. It's so about men which the thing I said which I will repeat. Is that if it feels more like talent confiding in talent rather than like yeah a conversation on the on the boat definitely felt like talent understanding each other and it's like they get. Why maybe they could talk when he is feeling shitty because he's probably going to be nicer to another head not like another name on the marquee when she's nursing his wounds though and like just a little math. I just feel like there's so many ways to get around. This is like the staff is like the bow party was canceled because he is not in a good mood. And it's just like whatever. We're going to go back to our dismissive rather than being like he gets this way. Like it is weird. The tone is very like well when he gets his way. He's acting crazy. So yeah the whole bit about it. But it's like find that he's acting crazy find that he's a diva all. That stuff is is Bible but not that he's clutch are throwing stuff. Like just doesn't work like that. He doesn't know like the rehearsal and they're all eating brisket in the kitchen what hell and he's like Not have some. You know like it's crazy stupid and I also I also WanNa Pitch Lake. I kind of think he should have just been gay the whole time like I feel like the move in the last three episodes for shy to the clock not just think he should have been out to the audience and to. We should have known. This shouldn't be a reveal maybe not to mention it should have been known to the audio better. Yeah because it's just like he's always been a quick character in my early real. You've always interpreted him as gay not gay. But like he's FEM. And like and so. I feel like why have it be this like thing that is only a story point for mid opposed to like having him it? I'm saying it would enable him to be a fuller character cut to fuller person. Daime Sharon bellio in her office. Bolger recap or something and Jin Cheney Zoeller sites over there is doing some paragraphs and saying like you know the show is a whimsical fund fairy tale. Retelling the six that said there is a lacking a little social context and a lack of exploration of some of the social issues at the time like Communism or Queer identity or radiations. Yeah she looks over. Three zero five is already locked. Script wise three zero six like just on her final titles already kind of blew. It could be kind of a lot of other kinds of green book. I guess I'll I'll put every social issue possible kind of Cram it all in. It's an algorithm. Vsbn algorithm it is. It's like if we can jump into like the second interaction more like it is sad. It is genuine midges clearly not hanging out with anyone on the tour of like a week into the Miami residency. She's just learning that all of the black musicians and artists don't exactly hotel because she's been hanging out with Carol Yeah. This is her last appearance in the season's last two periods and that's like they're feral Choya so weird carol. I keep running you into the hotel all the time like always staying near each other. Yeah because they were. The only two people were earlier. The white people yes tour. That's fucking idiot. What in the guy in the guy who tunes the piano. Who's always trying to fuck all the reason. He's always ready to fuck me as we're like we're the he sees me last. Oh you mean we are. The only ones allowed here. And that's why she's charging it all to his bill because he's the only other bill from the mid still hasn't put connected the data. That's so sad that makes me very sad. I get a like a recurring theme in this. Show is like Midge waking up from her bubble and everything and I can but the way they play it was just like so auxiliary. It wasn't yeah. Wait till the last episode. Oh Okay Okay. Wow it maybe maybe oh perhaps a little bit but a little just a little like a. Zeppelin gets shot with one bullet. It's only out a little air until it goes down. I'm so I was about to say Zeppelin with bullet in it. It's not like an. Oh the humanity moments on the Hindenburg. And it's just a single bullet doesn't explode air mattress where you wake up and you've got to create one that deflates reminder you promised. Hey listen we need to get you full Mama's Gotcha? She's just says lady dialogue from the blind side with Sandra bullock. She's like don't you lie to me boy. They did not mention any Damore orange. I will say his gaze quality is like really loving. Sassy outspoken female. Comic Lang was also to contemplate. How this actor is probably playing him Where it's like in his head. He's probably just like okay. Whatever whatever's on the pay it so in this episode to be like so do I turn up like the Omani? Like what the how do you? How do you adapt? Yeah do you like? He's holding steady. I think yeah that's why I think he's character the whole time. I think I would hold steady. Yeah Yeah like he was like John Advancing out. It's it's like they're playing it for broad comedy. Sitcom in one thousand nine hundred ninety. He likes starts snapping like this. You GET A job. Understand what you're saying Ritchie about this family like no one kid now a song. I'm GONNA sing later. He's that's so sad to. I told Reggie this wouldn't happen again. He's like mad. He's like fearful of retribution of his oldest friend. Who doesn't know his real name? Ready doesn't know shies name his dwayne which is like the lowest of all time line. The giants need my hotel. This is staying at your hotels in Florida. We stay over town. I hate hearing to explain that to her. Also why just Florida south south of the Mason? Dixon I don't think Florida's the southbound panhandle various. Yeah or from you now. You must have something some kind of make up here on the boat. You must have some kind of makeup on the boat. Okay I'm an emergency kit break glass. It's like back studio used for urban decay. Saying Oh is this a Kevin Kwon Pailin? Oh Wow Jesus I mean I do think. The actors are like so nice and tender with each other. I like the way shot at eight thirty but I do not like this idea like the way. It's shot iota restraint and echoey whispers but yeah white savior all the way the US spine giving these is like. I needed someone in the rough draft of this episode. Josse Spoiled Green Book for me. Oh Yeah Kevin's Emerson Green Book. I mean do you. Are you even a film fan? No Jerry found that it won. Best Picture me. I've never seen green book. Josse oh I I like that as a like a sound when you get a text. I'm on called Bagasse. And he loves me. Well I get dropped out of the race and everyone's texting me. I can't go back. Oh God WAPO has got together. They really stop me to walk. Oh Oh democracy does die darkness boy so then he goes. They do still set midst yells at the stool. Mr President and I think I'll say again that I think if I was in the audience I got a stool set. I would feel like I was a person especially. He's wearing a hat in a fun way. Sure he's really playing the Miami Angle. Oh we did talk about last time that we haven't talked about yet is Oh is Joel in archie talking to each other. Oh we didn't get to that China. Women that they might second chances. Chances Francis Harbor here that liquor license how the Hell Did she do that? How the hell does she do anything she just did it? So she's a witch clubs so quiet the whole marriage doesn't seem like it's going well. He didn't play second fiddle doctors. You need someone who plays the triangle triangle girls are boring L. O. Goes on as women attracted to men. Do you like to think of men thinking of you as musicians in an orchestra. They're building. Yeah I want seen as I need a girl say I need a French horn girl? Tiffany bits I like. I'm a girl and I have to empty my spit. Tenpy me go. Don't think it's one of the worst analogy it's like he's not really talking about objecting women as musicians which isn't really objective and he's talking about your partner being this person who plays like if we're talking about fiddles. Yeah Second Fiddle I settle. So who's The you needed disturbing? He says easiest fiddle to Mitch the whole relationship and like I think that's the picture that we were given at all like in first season. She's like fully keeping solution. And that's the reason why and taking notes for his bad stand up. Chile's misunderstanding of the relationship. That they had is one of the biggest problems and Joel's entire life as being about him in some way and it's just like I dude thought maybe we're getting past it where he's like where he was like. We can't be together because I want you to pursue. This is kind of a moment like that and like all all keep up my and I'll take care of our kids I'll be nice to you etc but then this is clearly like oh there's been no movement on which is it's like it's disappointing. You know why gang archie and the shining you. I like the fight choreography which one good fight choreography. When excessive USA fight for women doing today bar into multiple women people stunt? We are getting shoved over. They definitely did not. Oh you could have done something very easy here. They didn't call. My God zoomed. A scabby zoomed. Right or not zoomed way. I was playing a double speed themselves around. But you have to like John Wick boys funny because ESPN doors wide shot. She doesn't like close sees. She barely likes media. So you have to wonder if like the was like well you have to cut to a close up in a medium. She's like no. I'm not going to like okay. Well we need two more weeks shots. Impossible to reset hit so hard. There's like I think the first connection that makes us someone a woman's holding multiple glassware it's like the simpsons one of their like crossing the street with a glass or something talking about this conflict other than the fact that archie accelerated so fast and the what caused him to accelerate was just his wife. Being like you haven't seen your children and weeks and then he's like. I'm going to flirt with everyone at the bar. Oh Yeah imaging comes to the club. And here's what your kids look like you. I we've been. We've talked about how archie has been doing an unpaid internship for sure. Yeah Wall for. Ucb China Chinatown. He's trying to like one class. Credit Your Valley. There's a stage there and so he's trying to get stage time that God better coup six in the inner sanctum took. Yes so Archie. Takes off his wedding ring. Agile are doing that tour of bars to see. Like what are these clubs? Lie to blow a low seem and this is so weird to just like put in the last four minutes of the episode of you like I do like the conflict of Joe. Getting mad at a version of himself. Yeah I do. And he's like we're getting you home by eleven. Yeah I like that too. I like that. He's like because it. Does it totally tracks to me that he would be Joel Grossman he would be the most mad and be the most judgmental because already a judgmental. Judy Mental Judy. I Wanna I wanNA thank heroes. We're all heroes. Chelsea is such a good Renee Zellweger. I saw the photo you posted. Oh it's their shouts out. Ooh else got a good one too. It's Kinda lemony you know. Everybody does their. I think Judy Garland. Oh my God. What is God's own impression? This year's Oscars Brad Pitt. I Oscar Joaquin I Oscar for in Laura Dern I Oscar Rene Second Oscar. What's First Tour Jerry. Maguire Nelson Cold Mountain right. She was so good and cold mountain. Yes I loved her character and cold mountain with awesome. I did not see called. I loved it I loved. She was the one thing in cold mountain. Where you're like every time she got on three. And you're like Oh thank God I remember can lose mountain. Get any could this mountain. Be Shut up rabid Jackie to take. I love the Lens Site Pan over to another mountain. Rene looks into the Camera. Says Hey we got with. She's on the weather APP and she's like let's see what the days are. Cold cold cold. I should more shots Texas across week girl Houston. We were talking about those mental. Oh Yeah Judge Judy Joe would get mad and he would fucking take out his like selfridge on his friend. Who's been doing this work for him for free home. I mean where I think Joel is like fuck. I'm corrupting this guy. Also that's right like being around me being around me. You're becoming bed because I'm not gonNA do anything alone. Some three of holding people to standards then. He thinks her ideal. I think that's his defense mechanism as being like no. This is the way it's supposed to be even when he's breaking those rules. Exactly this is where I can. This is a return to and I said this. Show that we We I love the return to Shitty Joel. I like Joel. Being shitty makes me less attracted to him but it also means more tracking with the character that the the variety set up which is like anytime that. Asp decides to return to the character that they created. I'm like great. This is a good esscalation rather than rose just like going off the highway of her care to Argon being like well I guess. I'm just like a wine mom. It's like I've always been into space stuff when she's like you know it just makes me mad that think about man. Yeah someone who cares so much about public image exactly dating to get trashed and public. Yeah Fancy Fancy Hotel of Miami. So stu rather so. She doesn't internalize anything. Her daughter with a youth obsessed with Fontane blue. She'd be like Oh my God. It would lend legitimacy to my daughter's career that's like. Yeah she's telling all her neighbors performing at the zoo. Oh actually we saying that. It's not Vegas. Yeah it's crazy and also that's the that's the hotel they they shot and chef John Coverage Jon favreau shift on fabric pod save America and. Here's what p Buddha jets in the kitchen too so that look rose. This is like I just want to yell at Daniel. And to a certain extent amy to be like the character that you set up who went to Paris to become Bohemian art critic or whatever the shooting because I just don't feel she hasn't the inside then later thinks her child doing comedy. Her grown divorce daughter. Doing comedy is a prostitute like she like. She's the one who said like this is all your fault. You chose a new path and now we're all liberated like she's like She's been saying like yes. You deviate from the line now. It's making us want these huge things. Yeah so it's like Your Dad WanNa quit his professor job and start a paper. Yeah not talked about this episode. I don't want we've you know what I was like. H He gets drunk and then she tries to also do stand up or something like that. Mark is kind of concurrent with each other van. So many more fun things to do with Rosen Abe and a new location because it's seems to where they find themselves in here it just seems like they're going to they're neutral state of while at least we got it up. You like somehow tune into podcast episode in the Middle Young. I was having a stroke pod mass for Vulture. This week okay. Hey let's AV. Club shouts out beautiful GAMS weekly thing. Yeah Fuck only twice. They highlight. You thought it was like a monthly pretty good ball. Cheney v are pretty much the only ones that covered every week for major publications. I gotta just do better. I know I got to put out a better album. Who's my friend? Kate doyle she just right up one of the write ups paragraphs. Oh Yeah. I'll probably have a got costanza by wave goodwill hunting monologue in this episode up in front of McCarthy and tell them the fruit stands story telling you were a good man wasn't a Communist. I was you were a teacher. You had a young. What good would it do it to take you down for the listeners Alison Josse are drooling. Oh I'm feeling the Miami he I I think this is maybe tomorrow when I go back. It will be that someone moves on earned it down. Sometimes they don't even lock reaction interesting. I'm seeing here every pitch back on. Shining Testament my failure. Well you didn't say this is other pigeon has anything that's texting. He's wearing a Fu buscher pigeon. In Pigeon Fubu just became cool all my way. I think this is truly a this. Isn't it no? I know I know what Miami here. She comes favorite. Guests ARE APPEARANCE. This season three happily. They got pitching. It's so cool. How they just haven't they almost couldn't get because he was doing mindhunter season four but then they can't got him but he he was like yeah. I've been meaning to go back to Miami and Shit on those statues. Oh Man I think guys. It's time for a little twitter. Cuban a twitter JAS. Hey how dare you? My hesitation feel Kevin's designed his own software to do this podcast. Because it's so organized if you look at his screen. He has a panel for twitter Q. And that is actually like screen. Shots of the so-called. It makes me happy I WANNA be a GPS podcasting keystroke built in now. This you guys are just going to say stuff off the top of the Dome here but Aurora's into a boat warming party. God this does i. Generally this podcast has been so great. That does the actual. First Time that I've remorseful at the fact that job of not repeating your shy and then finally jammed up. I needed. I think I needed of I think I. I hope that you guys are jostle. Shiloh is just not. Why do you think you were shy? Oh I your guests. You just want to be the fun that the hosts want you to be a on. So if there's a little bit of like checking the temperature I feel like coming in being a third person entity person. I was a little low end energy. 'cause Dick and I think I was I was my low end was really know you got misspeaking lines and you're like I don't know what's wrong with them. Remember when we were. Was this episode. Where you're like. Why can't remember any? Yeah yeah it was curse from the get from the get all right? There was a lot working one thing. One thing that word is warming gift where we eventually established. A boat gives podcast. Cni founded a boat gift. Josse Kathy yes. I've been saying Josie and my head like a war for six years online online effect. I gave you my handle and then all right so it's just I'm at. Who is she terry? Gross and with your share Joe's abide idea include Europe. Once we had a podcast called boat gift all the best thing. That's the best idea. We could come up with a lot of ideas of what you could tag they'd bring like and I don't remember a mother saying I know Kevin is real coward and giving us his boat ideas. We Cower. The question is you can't plug them to champagne. Was Everybody Champagne right. So I'm going to say skin tone appropriate makeup and Nice your friends. It's been honest. Obviously Yeah I WanNa Hill Studio Fixed Palette. Yeah I want a you know a dramatic lipstick but also in a water desalinization. That's smart. What if it comes up all his loss situation Robert Redford's alone on the boat and if it's about just you have to like if it's about warming party than you have to imagine that? This is a single dad who's moved onto. Oh Yeah Yeah. So houseboat houseboat. 'cause it's a house warming. Yeah so it's not like he has anywhere else to go. No toys in case of kids visit paper toilet paper toilet paper. It'll be easy to remember face on it because you will not be sad that you're living on a boat. Yeah find opportunities to lead the mood. I'd love to lighten the weight on the boat not heavy stuff single ply single ply trump toilet paper. I think this is just as good as the first round. Yeah I think if anything armed up on the single data would you guys feel if right now I said guys. The truth is it did record. I just wanted to hang out again. What if I said that right? That would be waited for on. Mike reveal so we'd be like it'd be like an undercover boss Madonna or would be. Yes but you're also paying for college already record the episode. But that's what actually honestly be chilling. Look I think that's a break entrust of host for. Maybe that's part of the GAG. I'd be like a Jason Bateman in the gift. Yeah I don't want you coming around here anymore. That was a good I love him. Yeah Yeah I like. I don't want to listen to your podcast about boat gifts. Yeah I don't WanNA listen to your podcast about Bo gifts. But he didn't. Yeah Yeah he's always into your podcast about both gifts buddy. Yeah Juno his role in Juneau I think is the Jason Bateman of all. That's true that's his sweet. That's his bread and butter spot. Playing a guy who like is fake. Nice guy but depraved under you. Don't lock them on Ozark. I haven't. I've tried tomatoes. Are Outsider to launder some fantastic and the OH. Wow Yeah. I was thinking outsiders. And we don't have any guests who are going to disagree with either I episodes of the outsider and Gd if anyone disagrees with our takes on outside or in the future APP which will then I will. I will murder myself. I'm a murder that you're murdering it'll be a self martyr it'll be. It'll be like atrocious. Like if you're a hot dog would eat yourself. No I don't like which ends the mouth that's a Harry Carey. Thank you support you? Kitty thank you can actually feel the season finale. 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Frozen II with Ali Nahdee

The Bechdel Cast

1:56:12 hr | Last month

Frozen II with Ali Nahdee

"There's an election coming with pandemic and a revolution happening at the same time which using more than candidates. We're choosing what kind of society we WANNA living we're choosing WHO WE WANNA be together I'm Baritone Day thirst author activist and comedian. If you want to reclaim your power. Listen, to how citizen with Baritone Day coming August twenty seven to the iheartradio APP apple podcasts wherever you listen to podcasts. In nineteen eighty-three Diane downs shot her three children killing one and severely injuring the others she showed up for her trial pregnant. Now, nearly forty years later that child Becky Babcock is on a journey to explore her connection with her mother's violent past listened to happy face present to face on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows. Hi everybody. Jamie here hope everyone is well So as you know we here at the Bible cast are thrilled to bring you movie discussions every week and continue to keep learning with you and learning from you We also often get questions about how to help in contribute. Of the content that our show covers. So I just wanted to take a second to quickly recommend seeking out projects in your community and getting involved. Especially, as we approach election season we know that it is not safe for everyone to participate IRA L. in the middle of a pandemic of course, but it is really all about finding ways that you're able and comfortable to participate. There's been a number of incredible mutual aid organizations that have developed and expanded in recent months. There's an increased need to assist in areas with increasing rates of people experiencing homelessness in the. Summer Heat. ongoing Grocery Delivery Services for folks and seniors unable to get to the store amid the pandemic. There's local progressive candidates that you can help phone bake for from your own home if you're not comfortable leaving home and on and on and on it is a very stressful time and it can be difficult to find a place to start, but we encourage you to so talk with your friends, find mutual aid efforts in your area by checking out mutual aid hub dot org, and find where you fit were always her support and we love you. So let's do this android. Tro. On the dog cast the questions asked movies have win minute. Their decisions boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism? The Patriarch is FM vast start changing with the Dow Okay Jamie do you WanNa start this episode I was going to but then I couldn't remember a line from any of the songs. Do you remember any? Yes they've been stuck in my head and it's very annoying. I got one I got one. This is going to be good on this episode, we are going into the unknown. No. No. No disrespect to idea l.. They just make belt so much they make remount. So through so much plot in his movie. Truly. Olaf doesn't make me laugh but that see what he just started. There with you I'm there with you. So this is hello. Welcome to the Bechtel cast everyone This is our movie podcast in which we examine. Through and Intersectional Feminist Lens Spoiler Alert Most movies do not fare. Well, we took inspiration from the Bechtel test and that of course is a media metric designed by cartoonist. Alison Bechtel that for our purposes requires that two people of any marginalized gender who have names speak to each other about something other than a man and a as we as we just talked. About. In a twitter exchange today, they should also both be onscreen in general. That is helpful if they are onscreen. Yes. If it's a disembodied voice perhaps maybe that doesn't count that sometimes you now I mean it's case to case but generally, you know it does seem like in most cases it's the least you could do and ties in idea of visibility. Being visible. Bravely. Wow incredible. So today we are covering frozen to we have a wonderful guest with us. She is the founder of the AILA test on Tumbler. It's Ali Naughty, Hello I. It going good. How are you? Thank you so much for being here. Oh, thank you for inviting me. I think it's funny because you guys invited me based on my threat I think on twitter about Pocahontas now. I'd rather talk about something I enjoy I don't enjoy poke. Frozen too. So, what is what is your relationship with frozen too with the frozen franchise all of that. So I hated the first. Is Larry. I think it's because I was not in the target audience. You know certainly wasn't made for me but all my friends really liked it. So I went and saw and was like really this is my you guys were talking about you know. Wasn't very impressed So I when I found out about a frozen too I was like I? Don't know if it's going to be any good and then the more important. That came out about frozen to I'm like, Oh, tell me more. So, than I saw it and I did not expect to like it as much as I did it easily as one of my favorite Disney movies now it's like wow. I. Can't wait to talk about it in this podcast because, wow, there's just so much to unpack especially with an indigenous Lens. That I don't think too many people have talked about you not from what I found in any like articles written and things like that. So at bested spent was like a passing reference in reviews but nothing that was actually really examined I don't know it was kind of like surprisingly difficult for a movie that came out last year to find like. Solid written indigenous perspectives on this movie. Right. And speaking of tell us about the test. So I came up with Ayla test when I was living overseas. So I lived in Finland for about two years from two, thousand, sixteen to twenty. Eighteen. and. Around that time was when standing rock was happening and I, was so far away anyways for my family and my friends and everything and from. Any. Really indigenous native. American. Person You 'cause there are indigenous people in Finland by. And I remember watching like the the live streams and everything that was going on and standing rock and feeling you know terrified that this could escalate into like a third wounded knee Eh, you know. But also wondering you know what can I do? I kept physically be there and I'm in another country you know what's something? I can do because I'm not a I'm not a teacher, not a historian and I'm not really an activist in that sense. And I remember this film that I watched before moved to Finland it was a maiden two, thousand thirteen. It's called rhymes for young ghouls and it was so different from any indigenous movie I had watched before. The main character played by David Jakubse her name is Ala at I. Just saw so much in that character that I never seen before in a native woman on screen she was played by an indigenous actress. She was on a reserve dealt with a period in time in Canada that was very traumatic that is not discussed at all about residential schools and. Forced assimilation and you know and I went into the film strangles expecting her to die really because that's usually what happens to native women. You, know that's unfortunate but she Survives all of like all of it. She's the main character. She wasn't some White Guy's girlfriend. She didn't end up raped she doesn't get killed I mean she faces some brutality and some really heavy scenes by g make said to the end she survives and it was just that film really truly touched me. So when I went to see other movies in other indigenous films and I specifically was looking for native women and their roles in these films I notice how many were not like gala in those regards. So in order to kind of contribute something you know in light of standing rock, it's like you know there's GonNa be a lot of native people who are going through a really tough time right now maybe this is something fun or something a little lighter that we can kind of talk about. 'cause I notice hadn't really been discussing a lot of feminist circles when it came to film and media representations. So I came up with Ayla test and like the Bechtel test because it was inspired by it. She has to be and indigenous woman who is the main character and by indigenous I mean, she could be native American first nations Saami Mowdy Polynesian I knew you know any of those indigenous groups but she had to be the main character who wasn't a white guy's girlfriend just does not fall in love with a white man. and. Doesn't end up rapes or murdered at any point in the story and by murdered I also mean like killed or dies on screens. And so many don't pass. But the ones that do you know the test is like, Hey, you know check out these movies. And you know the test also has limitations because you can pass the test and be a great character. You can pass a test and not be a great character either and there are several characters who don't pass who are like Yikes. But there are several who pass who are actually really awesome. So it's just a conversation starter not necessarily if you don't pass you fail and your awful just. Right, which is how we approach the Bechtel test as well. So I'm so glad that that conversation is being helped along with this test though thank you for inventing it. Thank you. Thank you just Barnaby for making the movie and every Jacobs for being Ayla Cho's. Change. It's on my list of things to watch. We should cover it on the show. Come back. Absolutely. and. We. Not, long ago learned of the latest and mentioned it for the first time on a on a recent appeal that we covered on the witch with guest Janisch meeting, and she. had been the one to make us aware of your test. So the. Black Phillip Goat. The VICH. I saw that movie and Fiddler at scared the hell out of me because I lived next door to a cemeteries. So I'm like Oh my God. movie that certainly does not pass the test. This gracious it is horrifying. Terrifying One So Jamie, what is your relationship with frozen to I? Hadn't seen it yet I mean I came to the frozen franchise by being a substitute gym teacher. What I think I've talked about on our last frozen episode where it was like the only way to get a child to do what you need them to do was to say that you would play. Let it go if they did it. In and a few span of years So I, I really only know the franchise as it pertains to this show. Really I didn't see them this movie when it came out the conversation around this movie, it was like kind of strange and like I feel like. What I generally heard was like it's not what you expect and like and it wasn't what I was expecting either I it was I think the more I researched this movie, the more I liked it. There is when I on first viewing I was kind of confused I and I still am confused in some ways but. I wasn't quite sure what they were trying to do and what history they were referencing, and once I had a better idea of the history that they were referencing. It made way more sense to me. It was the movie to the little more legwork and letting you know what they're talking about but I yeah I. Know It's it's I. Have so much. We have so much to talk about I really hope that. Incites like my Lens into this movie offer some clarification because I knew exactly what they were talking about was just. You. Know so I'm excited. I'm really excited I I. Mean I knew nothing about particularly indigenous cultures in this region I knew less than, and then the more I found out down to the very specific reference of a damn being destroyed and like the center of a huge conflict is like. A reference based in his it was Disney was doing better work than I expected them to they. They did homework imagine So I'm excited to talk about it. What about you Kaitlyn? What's your history with this franchise? I saw frozen to in Cedars. When it came out, I see most Disney movies in theaters including the live action reboots which are never good but I keep seeing them anyway I don't know why who, who knows, who likes those movies has to be someone they all make a billion dollars but like I guess children but other than that like I tend to like most Disney properties and franchises against my sometimes. Better judgment and against despite knowing how evil of a corporation Disney is. But when it comes to frozen I, can kind of take it or leave it. I wasn't attached to the first one. Yeah. The second one I liked better but I felt like the story was pretty muddled I liked the songs though I like the animation overall. I thought it was pretty good I definitely liked the second one better than the first one. The first one, I mean you can refer back to our first episode about it if you're a listener that hasn't heard that one, but it's so like feminism one. Oh, one of our time. that it it was a little bit like all right Disney like. We're making very, very slow progress here. Aren't we? Right there like what if sisters like each other? Instead, he does that in little bits where they're like this time, the like male character is obsessed with the idea of marriage and you're like, I don't really know if if that's a helpful subversion but. Sure I have a theory have either of you seen the nineties dub of sailor moon yes. Yes you know how? Sailor urinate and sailor neptune were cousins because they couldn't let them be gay. Yes. I think on an Elsa our sisters. His in that first movie, I'm sorry they were Super Gay. I have two sisters I. We don't act like that. Well there is there was a lot of discussion abou else does character being kind of queer coated or at least like interpreted as queer by the Queer Community or at least certain members of the queer community. So and some coverage around I think some of the there's always because it's such a huge franchisers, always a lot of criticism and and think pieces surrounding it, and there was another influx of think pieces questioning why they won't explicitly say that Elsa is a queer character in frozen to as well and they. But yeah, it's kind of the classic Disney like she's single she's single and it's like, can we her be queer the answer with Disney as always is no. Yeah. Anyway. Well, let's we dive into the story and then go from there. Let's do it. Oh, right. So we opened on Elsa and ANA as children. Their father Aznar voiced by Jamie. Would you do the honors Alpher Molino? My King. it was very exciting to hear I. think he has maybe the like one of the first spoken lines of dialogue after the kids are talking a little and then you hear like he is not doing a voice, he is just speaking Alfred Bellina. and. Oh. My God, and then you see I was kind of a little bumped at the how they animated him to look it. Kind of looks like the like. What it's like king does a picture of like what is it called him video games where it's just like the stock player like if you did emerge cartoon king, that's kind of what the old. Sure I think he should look like King Alfred Molina but But yes, it was exciting. Also, he's married to Evan Rachel Wood in this movie what you're like. WHO's like my age? She's like sure you're younger than me or something and offered Molina's in his sixties, the magic of animation. So King. Comes in to the Children's room and tells them about this enchanted forest whose magic was protected by powerful spirits of air fire water earth, and it was also home to the north older people and the girl's grandfather king. decolonizing. Exactly. He had built the north older people a damn but then things took a turn between the two groups and the king's men were attacked or so we are led to believe but aims girl saves young. Aznar. During this outbreak of violence and the fighting enraged the spirits which vanished and then a powerful missed covered this forest which has been there. Ever since and the girls on Elsa or like Ono will the forest ever wake again and the parents are like I don't know, and then their mother says only to Holland knows which is a river that is said to hold all the answers to the past I will say that the children's reaction to this very violent story is a little insensitive. Awesome story yet that's true. There's like Oh cool story, and then it's your like was that a cool story. For them. It was. Then we cut to Elsa and ANA as adults and Elsa. Here's this kind of end djelic voice singing somewhere in the distance and it seems to be calling to her and she says maybe I should follow it into the. Singing I. Have the word and she better where he's always yes which I cannot do give the people what they want. And then there's this kind of mental disturbance because also woke up the spirits keep wanting to call them the earth wind and fire and water spirits. It does every time you hear it a you're like you sort of are feeling like you're watching an episode of Avatar Air Bender. And in this story, Elsa is Avatar. Elsa is also the Fifth Element starring, Bruce Willis there's there's a lot of movies. CORMON DALLAS. So so the the spirit have been awakened and everyone has to evacuate Arundel the kingdom where on also live, and then the stone trolls from the first movie show up and their leader is like Hey there. There's some wrong from the past has to be corrected. There's some truth that needs to be uncovered about the past. So Elsa as like, okay, we have to go to the forest and find the voice and figure out what happened. So she on Kristoff and Olaf and swam the reindeer, the reindeer Oliver favorite characters set off toward the forest after a little bit of travelling, they come upon what I can only describe as the Shimmer from. What. The the Shimmer from the movie annihilation. Yes through yes Kinda that's in this movie. It's this dense mist that they have to pass through to get into the enchanted forest, and once they're inside the spirits show up, they were start to reveal some clues about the past. Some of the memories of the past Elsa Manages to tame a couple of them, and then suddenly a group of North Audra people and a small number of Aaron delion soldiers show up including Sterling K. Brown. Oh my gosh I had no idea. He was the voice of that character until I watched the six part Docu series on the making of frozen to on Disney plus which was of time but. To Watch but that is it was helpful in that I learned that Sterling K. Brown. One of my crushes. In this movie we both have a crush on the movie. Yes, we do offered in sterling. Cute? So all these people show up and they've been trapped in this missed the whole time which we find out was like has been over thirty four years right which is I was like, and then I was like wait how older an an Elsa are- spoke. Do we know are they over thirty? Is that? Is that legal a Disney movie? So because the. King Their Dad. Was a little boy. Oh. Yeah, they're okay. Classic did they're like? No, no can't have a woman over twenty five. Canonical in this movie, six years have passed because they were repeatedly referencing for reasons that I found to be a bit much but they kept referencing the amount of time between the first frozen movie in the second one, which is six years, right but somehow Elsa and Anna are still. Twenty. The same age question mark. All these people have converged in the midst now and all off. Gives us a nice little recap of the plot of frozen one curve. There are multiple poison this movie where I'm like, okay you're obsessed with the first movie. The first movie was fine. I want to talk about it. Let's move on one. Like it's show but then Yeah Josh Gad as to recap the whole damn thing. Which I did kind of enjoy that partner in K. Brown reacts very funny when he's Oh no. Thank you. So, then the North Ultra people are like by the way we are innocent. We did not initiate this attack. We would've never attacked first and then a guy who on recognizes as Lieutenant Matijas voiced by sterling. K.. Brown. who was their father's guard says will we wouldn't have attacked I either wasn't suspicious of the colonizer really exactly that. Okay this movie is very funny to me because they have to go on this this whole journey to uncover the truth about the past because I saw. So quickly, this is like just look at the variables you have indigenous people and you have white colonizers and a wrong was made. What do you think happened based on all of History Live Told they probably, they probably learned a very white washed version of history. So you're right they're full on I was hoping I. Mean you know it's not going to happen because it's like Disney but by the end of all of this could be a great chance for else on to become like anti imperialists and really like be like abolish the monarchy which earned down there castle. Do. At the end, it's to indigenous people as the king and the Queens. So it's like well, I mean captain colonizers in Hell Mad about that, I'm sure hope. God I hope grams this that now. Is Christoph- indigenous as well. Yeah. He Saami Okay Yeah that's what I thought. So. So then the the fire spirit attacks, all the people, the little charm under. Vander they're very cute. They act like puppies and then Ana an also figure out that the girl who saved their father's life in the forest that Damon years ago was their mother who they also discover is north. Audra which means that on an Elsa are half north ultra. Then, a North Older Woman honeyman tells Elsa that in addition to air fire water and earth spirits. There is a fifth spirit that acts as a bridge between humans in the magic of nature, the Avatar which. So, then Elsa and ANA head north to find the voice that's been singing to Elsa, they come upon shipwreck these shipwreck that killed their mother and father, and in it, they find a map to to Holland river that is said to hold all the memories from the past because it's real, they discover legend and they figure out that their mother speculated that ought to Holland is the source of else's ice magic. So Elsa sets off for ought to Holland and not wanting to put her sister endanger she kind of sons on a an olaf away on this like. Okay. This is one part of the movie where I was like, oh. My God she sends them down an icy slope at like five hundred miles an hour. Accidentally murder her sister she's putting and even more danger right which also happens in the first movie like she conjures up that giant like snowman that like almost kills Ana she's constantly putting your sister Tricia. Sisterhood Franchise. GimMe Elsa sometimes really goes in on I'm like I am also not a huge on a fan, but I wouldn't push down a hill a big sister absolutely would. Here. That was I was like. And then spoiler alert Olaf. Not directly because of that, but he dies later. Snap he's lived with that was I was like Alright Polat I guess I guess it is the end of the second act isn't it was? It was so vague he was like my flakes magical flaming flurry. Mr Sneeze like. Know. It's. Obviously, not the target demo, but it just like a couldn't be clearer that there's going to be zero consequence for this. So it is kind of funny to watch them. Play, and then it's like. I don't know he's flakes are. Dandruff. Oblivion meanwhile Elsa Tames. The water spirit which comes in the form of a horse and she rides it to to Holland and then she sees all the answers to the past and discovers that her grandfather can colonizer was like. Is Scary and the north older people follow magic. So they can't be trusted and that he had built this dam that he had given under the pretense of it being like a gift of peace he actually built it to weaken their land and that it was him who initiated the attack against the North Ultra people but Elsa has gone too deep into to Holland and she starts to freeze. She's able to use her magic to send the memory to ANA. Ana. Is. In a cave with Olaf and then she upon seeing the memory knows what she has to do to set things right which is to break the damn which will flood Aaron Dell, and then that's when Olaf Dies because Elsa is dying in her magic is fighting. Aches happen something about his flurries. And then and then on. A song that I thought was like very impactful and I liked about how like she is acknowledging the like deep irreparable harm that her ancestors have done. She wants to do the next right thing and you're like, oh, on is really coming into her own. I've been waiting for this character to have like more agency for ever. This is so exciting and then two seconds she gets rescued but. Stuff. I will say though. Not, to go too deep but my mom passed away in September so that song on a sings just like it so hard. Doing the next right thing and everything I'm like. I love this movie, but it hurts me so. It is good. Yeah. That was my favorite song in the movie I think show yourself as but that was my son. I like kristoff Slake Eighty cheesy eighty s rock ballads. Wasn't bad. But it was there know like Kinda strain Christoph entire plot in this movie it's just kind of. Don't know why he necessarily needs to be. More pointless song but it is like I don't know I'm just like I like to hear Jonathan. GROFF seeing all take it says but it is does have a place in the movie I don't know. It question mark. So then on a lures the earth giants who are roaming the land toward the dam and they destroy it which un-freezes. On because history has been made right and according to the movie and this causes all the water to cascade toward Arundel but elsa manages to kind of get ahead of it and freezes it to save Arundel because again she is the fishy. Dome. She's the Dais X. Mocking the. Mocking I was inside the House the entire time. You, and then the mist lifts from the forest and everyone who was trapped inside is now Free Elsa and ANA reunite. There's much rejoicing. ANA is made queen of Aaron. Dell and then Elsa decides to join the North Audra and look after the forest and that is the end of the movie. Let's take a quick break and then we'll come right back to discuss. Not to Brag or anything, but I've been wearing glasses for about twenty years. 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What were you doing in college and your early twenties probably some partying hooking up with that cute someone desperately trying to pick your future career and maybe even spending some. Finding, yourself yeah. Me Too in season two of deer young rocker I tell the story of my own early twenties. It's a raw honest strange and entertaining story about how we all end up becoming ourselves. Even when we try to be someone else hopefully, you're journey didn't involve getting sucked into a colt running away to an island to be a made for billionaires and lots of. Shoplifting, but that's what happened. When I tried to give up the one thing I, love more than anything playing music join me Chelsea arson for rocker season to launching Wednesday August twenty sixth. Dear Young Rocker is executive produced by Jake. Brennan. Of Disgrace land incomes few from double elvis productions iheartradio listen to dear young rocker on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're. Back. Alleys or anything that jumps out to you right away of stuff he'd really really like to discuss. Oh. Okay. So for those of you who cannot see me I'm Anne, each Inaba and I'm biracial the. Reservation my family is from is they'll walk island reservation and Canada. and My mother is a white woman and my father is an shabby. So I'm Biracial I'm very white passing and as someone who did not like the first frozen movie. That was so stunned that Elsa especially suddenly became this character that I personally kind of felt represented by Nasr a white passing assimilated indigenous woman because although my father is. A darker shoe I guess a darker skin tone than I am. He was assimilated because his mother and his anti were residential school survivors. So they had their culture denied to them. You know they couldn't speak their language they had no culture they were taken from their family. and. My grandmother and her anti. had. To actually leave the reservation like they ran away to Michigan. And that's where we live now. And you know they She married a a white man who was my dad's father. So in order to survive really I mean you have to assimilate Back then I. You know this was during world, War Two. The. Author out I think grandma was born in nineteen seventeen. I think and she died nineteen ninety. So this is an entire. Century more or less. You cannot really embrace. You are as an native woman because you can be killed you can be imprisoned you know. and. I think her name is Edwina, the else's mother. You. Know that character really truly spoke to me. You know as an indigenous woman because the concealed don't feel don't let them know saying that Elsa. You know sings about in the first movie isn't just about her magic now it is about her identity and her family and her blood line, and it's like you know her mother knew that kind of pain she must have been through because she was she couldn't go home You know she may not have ran away from home, but she could never return and this was her life now and it's the errand elion people didn't like an assault or people you know she's not going to announce that on the Thal drug. She's GonNa keep that to herself and raise her daughters. The best way that she can you know and that would be to assimilate to look like you know the oppressor. So Elsa really coming to terms with this you know something it wasn't just the magic. It wasn't just keeping that part hidden inside. It's like there's something deeper than that. There's something that you know I feel out of place I. Feel like there's a disconnect I you know I may look like these people and my sister may you know be able to live among them a bit easier than I do but you know I feel like something is missing and i WanNa know what that is. For her Disney to make it indigenous heritage like this is your family history this is your mother's people. These are this is your community in your culture and that sense of belonging and healing. You know that's really really powerful. A I am I'm white passing I'm trying to reconnect I of. I still like. I don't know I. WANNA say a couple years ago. I didn't think I. had any surviving relatives on my Dad's side you know. We didn't have any cousins. We didn't have any aunts and uncles. Had No idea recently I discovered when I went to the reservation for how? That there are so many different. You know cousins and relatives and stuff like that, and they're like Oh you know I brought my family tree in their Lake Oh that guy he's cash. Nutty that you know what I mean and I'm like. And then they started looking at the family tree and it's like we had common ancestors and common relatives and stuff. So that reconnection to family and to culture when it has been like forcibly taken away from you and denied to you, I mean frozen to rarely spoke to that part for me anyway. So the Mazen. That's so. Cool I actually like this movie. I mean, this is honestly giving me a whole new perspective on the themes that this movie is speaking to I mean going into this movie I was honestly confused at the beginning like I understood the trace they were trying to make I was like I don't know. It's impossible because you know like I've certainly been brought up on such A. Warped version of history, and I'm still in the process of trying to unlearn shit and. Not just unlearn stuff but then learn the correct version of you know what actually happened it's like a really powerful and ambitious theme in this movie to show that two children to show that like the version of history you're presented with is very likely not accurate and that it is like kind of. Your responsibility in in a way to to seek out that truth in to find it, and then on top of that something that I think I was like in the middle of the movie I was like Whoa. This is like a pretty like bold choice for search gigantic franchise. The only villain in this movie is their past like there is no. In the first one it's who is that guy though like you know what whatever? On. Right, and and so in the first one, it's like they are subverting it by the twist in bubble. Blah. But like in this, it's like their heritage and they're like their ties to colonialism is the villain of the movie. It's it's an evil that you. Use I guess you sort of see through like the memory of the grandfather but for the most part, it is just like. Something that they need to reckon with and that is I. Mean. That's Holy Shit. Yeah. Especially because like when when ANA learns the truth about how her grandfather initiated the attack and that he had built the dam deliberately to oppress the indigenous people and how in honest something like well, that goes against everything that Aaron dull stands for, and it's like well, sure like Aaron del might masquerade is this like you know righteous place but like no, that's not how colonization works right? I think he can also be kind of does like a Meta commentary on like Disney Properties as a whole of like here is this like magical kingdom that you've always been presented to this very whitewashed magical place like what is being raised on what is being missed talk to you because that is I mean that's been. Disney's bang for a long time is teaching you and glorifying and making making it profitable to to show you false versions of of history, American history and that kind of a free for all with them I think the thing that actually surprised me. When I first saw frozen too. because. I'll send it to you guys on twitter. It was like my live tweeting responses like all right guys much frozen tuned for the first time and here's my reaction in real time as watching it. You know. So when they're singing that one song at the beginning and it's not thanksgiving, but it is. Thanks get right. You know like they're having a harvest. And I'm thinking I'm watching it I'm like are they really having Thanksgiving in Sweden because You know a light because, and then at the end of the movie when they show Captain Colonizer and he's all I, we're going to invite them in peace and see whether you know how many there are and what their strength is. I was thanksgiving because Thanksgiving was not a happy feast. It was a massacre right of indigenous people. So Fat Disney did that I was. Wow. That never happens I. Mean like never that never happens that was. So it was subtle enough where I think a kid may have not quite connected the dots. No what I did. One of the ideas okay. Maybe I'm like I don't know. I'm probably always asking too much of a Disney movie. I kind of wish that that they had just let if we already knew you know and they and the movie goes out of its way to say, well, there's no one in Aaron Dell right now it's just it's empty it's been evacuated i. kind of wish that they had just flooded it. startled. Symbolically I'm like maybe that's a little game of thrones of me to to want but I but I mean, it fits the I kind of wish they had just. Said you know fuck it sank with that one because a lot of people felt the same way and I didn't just because I was thinking you know. Problematic element of this movie is that you know they blame it all on just this one specific person, right? You know and not like an actual government. Like, the one guy who wanted to be the colonizer the people for the most part didn't really seem to know what was happening. You know because the girls didn't even know who the null nostalgia really were. Anyway. So I, feel like if they were, you know the person who already did this horrible things already dead Reno he gets killed in the battle anyway. So that part is already like. Avenged, but it's not just that you know it's you have to not only correct history by you know put in the work to make sure you know the harm that's already been done can't be undone how you go forward with it as the important part. So you get rid of the dam which is causing all of this trauma and all of this destruction to the environment directly still hurts the indigenous people living on it and. To destroy the dam and flood out Aaron Dell and destroy it. I feel like maybe the spirits were like you. Now this is only going to make those people hate us more Nether Queen just destroyed their home. It also makes sense. Yeah. That's what I was thinking I'm like I really don't think these people are going to be all that. Okay with Oh but the colonialism it's like yeah but now my house is under water right? Like. Worse you know probably build more. Inside her yeah. That makes sense. Like. All right. So we're GONNA put you on the throne instead and they're gonNA love you and I'm going to stay here and we're going to build relations and there you go. Happy ending. As. Very simplified. But it's a kids movie and the handled a lot better than they did POCANO. Ever. So Do, you feel overall that the representation of indigenous people and indigenous culture was handled responsibly and respectfully in this film. So disclaimer. The. Algebra people are based off of an existing group of indigenous people, the people. So I'm not Sammy so I can. Personally. Say Oh yeah they did great. I did speak to. I'm going to use his full title here. Okay so Sami activists and Vice President of the Saami Council has name is Ashok. Holmberg I actually talked to him when I was in Finland because he saw me and a he and members of ill Steno where this group that were organizing this moratorium and twenty seventeen that opposed the day no river fishery agreement in northern Finland. So basically, the Finnish government was trying to deny a salmon fishing rights on Sami territory and He was an activist at that time. So he was on like a a council you know Saami Council. He also did the voice 'cause. Disney. Did a DUB frozen to and he did, yeah, he did the Voice of the Dad Alfred Molina. It's him. But he said you know he's biased of course, 'cause he worked on the film but he said that Saami people were very much involved with the representation of the nostalgia people and overall. You know he did like it I've got other because I asked other Saami people on the Aila test what they thought about it and it's been kind of a mixed bag. You know there's elements they didn't like so much and watch that they did. My personal take you kinda run the risk of. When you create a new tribe of people? You know what? I mean like For example, you know there's this one video game I forgot what it's called, but they made up a completely different native American tribe. And it's like, okay. You couldn't just use an existing one to tell your story right but that's because it was in America frozen not so much. It's like, Oh, it's this magical territory and it's not real. So we can create people who exist within it and there's enough similarities where you Kinda know what we're talking about. You're not doing the twilight Pocahontas thing where you take an existing. Group of people and be like, oh they're magical they control elements and stuff. It's like no the while loop people do not turn into wolves. The SAAMI people do not. You know work with giant rock monsters and? Your spirits and stuff, but in order people can and. I like that the nephrologist people were still people they just knew how to interact with the land. So that I felt was more respectful to what? People are because we're not mythical magical creatures in our I. Mean we just have connection to the land in the territory because it's part of us not just were not on top and then the animals are beneath and then you know so on and so forth it's. A wed the of connection and we have our place within the ecosystem within this world. So that's better than you know Oh, I'm. And the only person who is is Alyssa and that that works out because she's just you know special it's not because I had this power because not all is like no, because you're she's an outlier. Yeah. The Hollywood has a long and troubling history of. Ascribing Magic and mysticism to white people in a way that has really negative connotations. For example, there's the magical Negro trope. There's like the mystic Asian trope there's like mystic indigenous tropes. There's like all of these things that we've seen again again in so many different movies so and by and large like the magic is being used to assist a white character or to somehow aid their storyline and two other the Non White character or characters, and I think the only real complaints that I would have isn't necessarily the nostalgia people. Some people say that they wish that the women would have had a bit more agency, which I think is fair. KRISTOF, who is an indigenous person as well? I feel was kind of missed opportunity as a SAAMI character the Nobel nostalgia based off the Saami but Kristof in the script is described as Asami boy. Specifically okay. Yeah, and it's like they couldn't done more than just. Oh, you saw me he likes reindeer, right? Okay. But like I, don't expect them to go into like a deep you know like. Turning the Saami people into like a costume like Paul honest. But you know it would have been nice when ANA discovers that she's indigenous as well that she in Christoph could have bonded over something. You know what I mean like I feel like that was a missed opportunity where I'm glad that they kinda cut Christoph out of the movie 'cause it is predominantly else's story as it should be. It's like man they could've really you know talked about this and bonded over that and it's like. Obviously on a must have had song insecurities given her last boyfriend and why he tried to do. I don't know if there's any reason to fall in love with someone you know and actually bond enough to marry them. It could probably be over that shared experience. You know I think it would have been nice I think for the audience like as well to be kind of reminded that Kristof is an indigenous person because I think that there is not a lot of work done to really tell you that in in a movie that is constantly reminding you what happened in the last movie in a way that it is not always helpful that would. have been a helpful thing to be reminded of and again. Yeah. Like like like you're saying is something that could be you know a very valuable bond for them when there is kind of something left to be desired for like, why are we talking about their impending engagement that we know is going to happen at the end of the movie so much like that would have been really good element. Is when one thing that I I would love your perspective on and because I was just sort of I, do wish that the North Aldrin people that we meet had more to do and had a deeper characterisation because for characters that are introduced and they are, I, think a hundred percent played by white actors right which again is I mean, why? Right? Especially when they had hired several consultants yet Sammy consultants who maybe they weren't trained actors but they could go and find some trained doctors to cast in those roles. But but even on top of that I, think that most of the north older characters we meet our there in a very surfaced. where I felt like for the most part, especially with rider and honeymoon that they were mostly, they're just give information and encouragement to a character that we already know. So like Ryder is like what's up? Oh, you have a romantic conflict. Let me be in a scene about that, and then he's in a scene above that and then he's kind of gone and then honeyman gives Elsa I. Think it's a it's a cool scene between the two of them that definitely pushes else's character forward. But I just wish that we knew more about her and that she didn't just exist in proximity to Elsa. Agree. You. Also see a character whose name is Yelena seems to be I. Think the leader. Yes. Yes, she's I. Think She's like the this is a matriarchal society because seems to be implied that she is the leader she is voiced by white actor, Martha Plumpton, but she she she isn't given much to do either aside from kind of just delivering some exposition. Because it doesn't I don't even remember seeing her in the flashback scene. So it's not even like you know she was. You know specifically shown lake It's the same Mataya Mataya Matteis Matiz. It could be anything another character who we learned nothing about. Yet because she hasn't shown really in the flashback scene that I remember. So it's not like you know they could have drawn back on that and giving her a bit more to do couldn't she have been there during that attack that was instigated by the Aaron delion people in like couldn't she offer some perspective on it like that kind of thing but Yeah, we don't. See, any I was hoping that the I mean again, it just seems like a missed opportunity where having those characters there is so much more than your average does he movies going to do? It's at a valuable opportunity to give them the opportunity to provide their own perspectives in text but most of what we learn has to appear appears in like snow flashback and I feel like. Where there's a lot of snow flashbacks why not just let Them. Share their own history like why could you not be more meaningfully involved? In in I guess educate giving, Elsa, this education that she sa- is so desperately wanting like kind of touched on their like a little bit and I do appreciate that when Elsa does bond with algae people it is specifically with the women you know like at the end she's holding honeymoons hand, but she's holding me elaine hand and. You know I, think they kind of like gave that impression but I, wish they would have given us more. Yeah made it more juicy. I'd just. But yeah, because it's it's I don't think that. The North Algerian characters fall into the Disney tropes that we are i. mean honestly kind of expecting them to fall into but they're still I just wish that they had like a fully realized character and I mean like none of the none of those three characters really have an arc they don't I mean that we are able to track at least, right? Yeah I. Also wanted to say really quickly because I was looking into the updated queer readings of Elsa and ooh please Jennifer. Lea. In fact addressed this because there was I think we talked about this on our first resin episode there was a huge fan movement and like a million petitions to explicitly acknowledged Elsa as queer character, it was a gigantic millions of people were involved thing. I signed the petition I don't remember But in any case. It was such a large response that Jennifer, Lea? The WHO wrote and Co directed this movie. Had to acknowledge it, and so she told a New York Times writer. That the reason she doesn't explicitly say that Elsa is a queer character in this movie and this is wild. She says that she has put every frozen character through the Myers Briggs test and quote it really came out that Elsa is not ready for a relationship unquote. So she like Galaxy brained. Avoid the fact that Disney just does like is is deeply unable to acknowledge any non heterosexuality but I was like the Myers Briggs test I just was like. My God Jennifer Lea. Stretch further, I wonder if people ship honeymoon and also because they have a little seen together, you ship them. Yes. Because, they have the tender scene together where they like both sing the Lullaby and it was really beautiful frozen three. Let's learn more about honey Marian and Ryder, and you Leinna specific I mean yeah everyone. But I'm like honey meriden Yuliana I wanNA know more about them, I agree. Well, it would. It would seem as though the reason that unlike other Disney. Properties and unlike other Hollywood films in general, the treatment of indigenous people is again normally abhorrent. It would seem as though in this movie, it is handled more responsibly and respectfully because even unlike the first frozen movie, the filmmakers of frozen to hired a few SAAMI, people as consultants on Tom, we've already heard one of their perspectives, which is wonderful. Yes By all the accounts that I found, the Saami people found that it was a positive collaboration. They were happy with how the movie turned out. There was some level of dissatisfaction with how indigenous culture was represented in the first frozen movie and that the Saami people felt that there was course correction there, and this is relatively new I. Mean I very new for Disney to actually. Do Their homework on portraying cultures that are not straight up dominant white American Disney culture that I think I remember hearing about it most recently in regards to Moana as well. There there was an entire advisory council formed to make that movie. It seems like with generally positive result. I, know that people have not like generally positive for for a Disney movie and it's so I mean It is still frustrating to see that it's it's mostly you know like white executives that are on the other side of these advisory boards, and the fact that there is still such little progress on You know making even even though it's a very positive thing that you know frozen to is you know portraying indigenous culture and really making strides in attempts to course correct mistakes they've made it's still. A vet overwhelmingly white crew on this movie is certainly an overwhelmingly white cast on this movie and it's I mean still work to be done for sure they actually have a quote to. So sleet dot com writer I think his name is I'm GonNa Destroy Your name Sir. Sorry as Inco King thank you Goo- king. He compliments and criticizes the film's Depiction of reparations. Specifically, he said we have so few fictional portrayals of what postcolonial restitution looks like that. We should be careful of how we depict it but he also said that it's admirable that Buchan Lee even attempted a story like this and even though it could've used a little more thinking through introducing the concept of nationalist myth making children particularly a princess movie that the general public has no expectations for other than to sell even more Elsa and Olaf dolls. This holiday season is pretty commendable. I. Yeah I agree. Yeah. It's like you know for sure you know could've used a little bit more I. Guess Thinking through like you said, but then you have to wonder how many people probably the higher ups or like no, you don't get to say that Oh, that's way too much. You know, right? We don't want to change anybody's mind we just want to. That's too far product. Let's take another quick break and we'll come right back. 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And while it is I think positive that in the Canon now they are North Audra. children watching this movie know that these characters they know and love now have the knowledge that they are indigenous I think though it's so helpful to see visibility onscreen especially of main characters, the characters who you have the dolls of the characters who you have the posters of all that all that for them to you know like the characters are so designed to look such like Western beauty standard, Blonde, blue-eyed, very fair skin in their aesthetic and. I guess it would be nice to see more visibility and representation onscreen of characters who don't look like that. It's very clear that this was and I think some of the criticism around this that I think is pretty well placed as that like the decision for Elsa and honored to have indigenous roots was made by the first and second movies. This is not in the foundation of. This story right It's almost like a wreck Konin away. Yeah Yeah. Because I think I remember I don't know if this is like unfounded dramatic by I remember there were rumors circulating that originally frozen to was supposed to be Saami centered I, guess the characters were supposed to be Sammy and they changed it because I I don't know if it's Tumbler. So who knows how true? But I do remember some discourse surrounding that so I think this was almost like, oh well, let's try to do that again this time, but you know how do we do that and? But at the same time in a while, I agree I'm like you know we have a billion white princesses, not just in Disney, but in like all kinds of media. It would be nice to see you know someone who wasn't blonde haired blue eyed pale skin but. I don't think I've seen too many stories where the white passing indigenous person you know is actually given a story about reconnection and you know finding that culture and that. Again. So I do appreciate that. Man There was obviously thought put into it. It wasn't like Oh, a long time ago. This relatives that I don't know was. She's one sixteenth dre only. Right, so I do and I think it's also like with Sami people angrily, you know the Arctic region of indigenous peoples. There are many different skin tones. So there are lots of very fair complected people. Athletic Holmberg unless you knew him personally or knew of him, you probably just would have assumed was finish just from his complexion, his hair color and whatnot as opposed to nuclei or any what people you know who are very clearly you know a little bit darker but still lighter skin because of the region. So I definitely to an extent you know by. The mom I think. I'm going to pronounce that name. He do now. The mother you know being lighter complected but still being Thal Dra by a little bit different from the other ones you know, and then marrying a white man and having biracial children. I can understand why on also would look as ethnic. Also, you know not to get too deep because it is Disney. Genetic sometimes skip. Skip a generation. Well, I mean, my dad is very dark and me and my sister. And my sister had her daughter who is darker than us in very clearly Indian. That's all I had that happen. She's like one eighth and looks more like Dad's daughter. Interesting, how did that happen? I think I'd have to watch the movie again to see if there are other nostalgia people of various shades in various skin tones because that also happens to you know within the. I was very ended in in researching this I. Mean I have learned a lot in the past couple of days. I honestly was not aware of any history of the Sami people before I started doing the research for this episode and the more I learned the more impressed with the movie I became because I think I was also sort of like. Are they completely fucking this up or do I just didn't know enough about. Cultures at the referencing but learning about the elements of Sami Culture that they're referencing down to, and we referenced this a little bit earlier but even the presence of a damn, a colonial dam is I mean I couldn't find an explicit like you know someone from the production confirming this but I'm guessing that is referencing a controversy that took place between the Saami people in the Norwegian government in. The late seventies, early eighties it's called the ultimate controversy where basically the Norwegian government said, we're going to build a hydro electric power dam like a power plant that was going to effect indigenous Saami land. There was a huge conflict There was like sustained protests there was violence and the Saami people ended up losing that battle that hydroelectric dam exists and I thought it was really like. I learned something which is great and also just that was more again. It's just more than I would ever expect from a Disney movie to make such a clear recent historical reference about you know. So it isn't like Oh this is something that happened a long time ago, but it doesn't happen. Now referencing something that has happened in you know the lifespan of most parents who are seeing this movie. and seeing that I mean and learning that I thought was. I was very impressed that it was really interesting and then the clear I didn't know that they were clear but it is clear references to the mythology connected to these cultures that there is a clear precedent for the horse character like that is rooted in norse mythology and that's you know and Allie you probably know more than me because you've spent time in this region But like there was a precedent for that, the name it do not is like a a north mythological name for the goddess of Halston just the there were like details that I. Never would have known but upon investigation that there's also like a mythological president present. got. Word precedence. Cook for for the stone giants that is something that's also present and mythology and Especially comparing to this is like I don't know why I felt the need to go down the rabbit hole of what a Shitty dumb movie Avatar is Jesse James Cameron one. But especially. I'll talk about that another. I do. There I promise I was just like researching I. Don I couldn't tell you why. But I I was researching how much money that production put into really creating deep lore and really doing its homework in pre. But in the finished product, most of it is not there in any way like we should have written books. Yes. Hold a game of thrones in written science fiction books, and then waited until the technology was there, and then he could've made like an HBO CGI Anthology Series or something that's what he should. Star Trek. Connected to that movie, but they don't use any of it in the movie. So frustrate but. Lost Yeah I mean I guess they have five hundred movies left to rectify that situation but. Lived to see them. But I was impressed the frozen to kind of you know in opposition to that does its homework and you and is very present and had plot relevant and it's all I. Just I don't know I learned a lot and also in the music which I. There's a really good youtube channel called sideways and I love sideways yeah they're working. So they they do videos on usually about. Music and film and they talk a lot about Aetna musicology and like if a different cultures being represented in a movie is present in the movie, they do a great video on how Avatar kind of does not succeed in that even though they did so much work and then they didn't use the work they did. Brave it was yeah, and which is another thing that it it it seems frozen to was successful at is researching Saami, music and having it present if not completely dominant but very present in the score, which is great because I love the composers of frozen they've got it. They're very impressive. They're cool. graduations to them for them. I've got two points to make Based on what you just said. So the first one, the Saami Music I always found that kind of strange just that well okay. When I saw the first frozen I think it's called. That opens up. You know the non Hey Nah. Nah. So that was like my favorite song and the first frozen movie and it's Asami York mom. So it's an actual traditional method of singing and sometimes to my understanding this is based off of a video that Sophia Jahnke did when she? Came to standing rock in solidarity. She sang a York and she said that it's vocals. So you don't aren't actually singing words. You're singing sounds and it's about the feelings that you have when you sing. So that way other people can join in and they're not really saying words are just joining in with the sound and the music for healing or for you know. And it was a strange to me that that is Asami method of singing. They have Asami character in the movie but the older people are the ones singing the unique and they're not technically some even though there's based off of the Siamese. So I'm glad they tied it in. Because they do sing it but I'm like. Okay. I didn't make that connection. Yeah. That would make. Far More sense but since you brought a Antar yes. I'm just GONNA touch on it for a second because it does lead to another point in frozen too. So, when I saw Avatar I loved it. But, there was one scene in the movie where I was like, okay. This scene can go one of two ways, and if it goes one way I hate this movie from this point on I've been enjoying myself for like two hours and this happens. I'm going to be angry and ended it that way and I kept loving. It. was, when the White Guy Tells Zoe Saldana and they sent me to spy on you guys and screw you over and she's like you knew this was going to happen and then goes up execute him and like freaks out because in any other movie, it would have been like no I. Love Him. You is please listen to. This and she's like, no, you're dying now. Add. Does X. Mocking he survives because he's got plot armor but he Proved himself before he can show his face again. So at least there's that. Because if it would've went the other way, I would have been very mad because I'm so used to that narrative of the indigenous woman falls in love with the white guy betrays her entire nation and and you know what I mean it's like, yeah. No. So and frozen to by comparison there's a scene where out on L. Sarah, talking and said the Elena asked, why would the spirits ward Aaron L. With a manageable queen because our mothers saved our father she saved her enemy her good deed was rewarded with you. You are gift and I'm like at first I'm like no. Fan of that mindset. Indigenous women deserve better than loving their enemy for the greater good has loving the enemy has not stopped the enemy from killing us. You know it Kinda goes into that poke Hana's romanticized territory a little bit. You know. Save Your territory to. Know also using her power and privilege to help her community rather than you know, make excuses and stuff. That's a welcome change. But I will say at the beginning of the movie when they're playing, you know with the Snowman and whatever, and she's like the. Kissing. Won't save the forest the fairy. Queen Saves the day, right? Yes. Kissing did not see the forest. Parents loved each other, but there wasn't enough. You know racism and colonialism wasn't solved just because he loved one indigenous woman and it stayed you know the forest was still in danger. The environment was still being ruined. The land was going into chaos and it doesn't take just loving your enemy to make everything better you have to do the work. And you know the next generation is you know you may not have done it and it might not be your fault but for the better the world really you know you have to do something about it because sweeping it under the rug and ignoring history makes everything worse. There is so much that we can go into about how frozen to even goes into environmentalism territory as as far as indigenous representation. Along you guys want to sit here. We're we will. We're down to hear whatever you whatever you have like there. I hadn't even made that connection that is God. Damn further to the. It's building upon clear mistakes that Disney has been huge in perpetuating, and then you know at making an attempt to to course correct and do that's really impressive. Lines of the movie before Alfred Molina says a word while kissing. Forest. This week's for Mary. Sushi did a video ANA frozen to choose all like Anna said Indigenous Rights Damn That's very favorite people. We just we just recorded an episode with her last week. Yeah. Like early youtube days really. What, else? Oh, in regards to in the more I guess like Basic Disney plot that is present in this movie I honestly don't love it all. There's so much I know that like Elsa and Anna like they have to be together because getting but every frozen Mufi really is just like on a out of the way like this is alison better character right? Like she. She is always more motivated. She always has a greater mission than on a and so this this movie does it again. Also like by and then just like us on down a hill and the movie does get better after that but you know whatever? for for for a franchise. That is like sisters. Sister Sisters. They're not together for a lot of this movie and there but I did appreciate how their missions slowly merged like I. thought that that was that was well done and that the way that they basically like receive this accurate history is different. They re they have different where it is both like you know they have the holy shit moment of like this is our family's history. It is not what we've been. Told but I did appreciate that they reacted in character which which was cool to see i. I honestly feel like I know that we need Kristoff to come back because marketing but like the whole Christopher potline line like was yeah. What was that for Yeah I didn't even mentioned this in the recap, but there is a subplot where he is working up the nerve to ask on a to marry him. which it didn't necessarily add anything. For me I think they just like well, we need You know he needs a reason to be here. So let's give him something to do What kind of what bothered me a little bit about this is that every time he is about to ask her something goes wrong and I understand that's how storytelling works. Obstacles. The thing that goes wrong is always that on a jumps to a weird conclusion that I feel had like potentially kind of something gendered there where it was almost like. Well, she's a woman. So she's GonNa have a wild overreaction about something where, for example, like when they first arrive in the forest and he says something like Oh, you know under different circumstances this would actually be a really romantic place and then she says different circumstances you mean, if you were here with someone else like she has weird cheating on jealousy thing where it's like, what do you? Where's this coming from ANA like an and this happens a few different times where she has this real like almo I don't this is me maybe just like being a little cynical here but I couldn't help feel that they were there like well, you know she's she's overreacting she's woman or something. I. Don't know feel like. A little bit better if they would have reminded US you know or if she would have said verbally she's like Hey I know I'm acton cannon nights but. Beyond say tried to kill me. Marrying. You know. Maybe I'm not. Myself but we're trying to have romantic moments and I'm like Oh God what are your motives even though? It. was kind of another like missed opportunity to of like. Like on I would have very like she would make sense for that character to have relationship PTSD. But it's of like now, we just kind of want Jonathan. Groff to talk to the Moose which is like I guess like it's a reindeer is a reindeer I getting I've. Spent too much time in Maine. I wish I could take back every second but yes, he Like you know it just becomes kind of this like you know like him in the reindeer and and that's the plot and I will say I don't mind that. Wants a relationship like I. It doesn't bother me that like I don't think that both of you know that every princess needs to not be in a relationship if that's what they want it's pretty like established with honest character that relationship is part of what her version of fulfillment is. I just it's just the way that this plot is written that you're just kind of dragging out a kind of a non conflict because there was no point in the story where I'm like she's GonNa say no like I. Write the stakes are low, very low and then also The one problem they kind of create for. I keep calling him Jonathan Groff with Chris is that like he is like concerned that he is not enough and that he you know is like a very real thing to tap into but even and he references that in his song where he's like I am I good enough for her she's so amazing all this stuff. But then whatever conclusion he reaches is arrived at offscreen because by because he disappears for a huge chunk of the movie and then he shows up at the end he's like I have resolved my personal demons. offscreen. And I'm ready to get married and then everything goes fine. It also made me laugh that at the end we're either view. I'm like maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention, but she's like at her like a queen coronation ceremony and she's like surprised that he's there I thought. that he was dressed up was that okay. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's like Oh you think he would like really be there. He's all dressed up, but I also like that you know you don't have to simulate baby. I. Like you better in your leather Ya. He's like, ooh. I think well, when when Kristof is onscreen especially for whenever he's there in like act two in three, he seems to mostly be saving on a WHO needs to be saved. Three Different Times in the movie in this is something we talk about all the time and movies where like. damsels pulled and have to be saved by their. You know a man or their love interest or something and I thought we were past all this with fro the frozen franchise but. Alas, she has to be saved the first time when the like the fire spirit is kind of wreaking havoc and spreading fire around Kristof has to grab her and save her. She's is saved a second time when she is lowering the earth giants toward the dam and they're throwing their giant boulders and Kristof comes riding up on spin and grabs her and saves her and. Then moments later, she saved third time when she's yeah escaping and almost falls off the dam and Christoph and Matteis has to they both they both grab rich I found kind of frustrating gives it that that moment where she's rescued comes right after I thought like the most effective moment for her in the entire movie, which is her singing this song like the. You know wanting to do the next right thing and then. A, very kind of lazy choice that is constantly made in Disney movies is made right after this kind of felt like a breakthrough moment. So that was a that was kind of bummed about that. Yeah I mean I guess there's a little bit of a deviation from what we normally see in that. She is the one pushing the story forward and she is the one making the active choices to like destroy the dam and. She's the one who's initiating that action and then you know there's destruction as a result which she needs to be saved from but it's like well, if she can do the thing can't she also then like say for self for why? Why was it written so that she has to be rescued several different times and just the idea that like having a relationship is directly tied to a need to be rescued and that which is inherent to every Disney relationship of like she can't be a fully. Autonomous capable person and just like happened to want a relationship I don't know. Yeah. Truly, did you guys know that the film? Well, of course, the film is dubbed in Saami. But have you heard the Saami soundtrack her to know it is immaculate and it's on Youtube. Do it right after we're done with this that sounds great. It is beautiful I did want to quickly touch on Matteis who again voiced by my crush sterling K. Brown. This feels. A response that the filmmakers got in for the first frozen movie being too. White. Two white so they introduce a black character. My main issue with that character as it is, is we just again other than the fact that he was present for this event that we already knew about it just seems like a very and I mean I'm I'm like beyond thrilled that. Sterling K. Brown is a part of this cast, but as far as they wrote his character at just. It does seem a little lip service he on the part of the writers because his presence like if you if you remove him from the script nothing about the story like nothing changes other than he provides a little bit of information when they first meet but I but it's like his presence is not extremely impactful on this story well off get smarter than he does right? I I'm not allowed to talk about Oh law. I. I didn't hate his song. I thought his song was rather I also enjoyed Olafsson. Cute one so. There you go. does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie I thought that the I know that I mentioned the environmentalist issues are element of frozen too and that is something that I thought the spirits were kind of a metaphor or I don't think it was just like a magical thing I felt like with the creation of the dam and then the attempted genocide of the nostalgia people know and then sweeping all of that under rugs when you. Ignore an environmentalist issue. You know when you create pipelines, are you create a mine or Mill Dam or whatever it is on indigenous territory and try to act like you know Oh, nothing's happening. It's all good. You know things go bad. You know the earth actually physically starts reacting with fracking. You know earthquakes happen Bruno with pipelines the water is polluted. Soil is polluted. So I felt that Elsa interacting with spirits wasn't necessarily just you know. Oh. Look how magical she is. It was healing the environment that is in chaos because of colonialism and because of the dam and the damage done. So you know and like that ties into again you know deforestation's and lapland the reindeer dying because of global warming and. Things like that. You know. So even that last scene and frozen to when the fog lifts and the reindeer star running. That's actually pretty impactful when you realize what's going on in the Arctic right now everything that Greta Somberg. Ashok Hamburg and Sophia Yano can. All of them have been really preaching about is really preaching because they live in the Arctic they know what is at stake on the damage that's being done and I don't think Disney like maybe I'm giving them too much credit. I don't think they wanted to go into fern gully territory where they're literally like on delegates to down the trees and stuff, and that's bad. It's more like. Yeah. But the magic is out of wack because of something they did. So we have to do the right thing and the fact that you know like doing your homework especially in a movie like this is so important and representing indigenous people responsibly because this movie made one point five, billion dollars every child. Movie at one point like it's the highest grossing animated like completely animated film of All time I think low Disney remake of. The live action reboot of lying King is Eve is higher grossing, but it's like half live action half. Not so it is kind of in a murky area, but like as far as a fully animated feature frozen to is the most the highest grossing I was truly sad that frozen to especially with how good it was wasn't nominated for an academy. Award. And that was. into the spider's Win. So there you go. Yes that was that was my favorite movie of that year I love that movie so much and just I mean I love I love animation they're into the fight over should have been a best picture nominee to it's like. To like especially now that you know under the Present circumstances. Let's say the amount of animated products are going way up it's like people just need to. Let go of whatever this like animation is just for is like you can't tell a sophisticated story with animation like gets just so. Demonstrably. Untrue. Anyone Seen Moana betters need say I love WANNA I. Should've one yes. Should have won an academy award. Zootopia why which was cute. Madonna Mwana was better film. Well. Maybe like twenty times. Gosh I'm never I'm not never not crying during Moana every every second. Yeah. Any does anyone have anything else? Is there anything you want to specifically ask me? Oh. Well. What would you recommend aside from rhymes further, young goals what other because we're always on the lookout for indigenous media especially when it's you know shows positive representations are there any other films that you would recommend? So the same filmmaker Jeff Barnaby? Goals also came out with the off some. Zombie fell it's on shudder is called blood quantum. Okay and it is a Zombie outbreak on an Indian reservation. ooh Man and the natives are immune to the disease. So they can't turn into zombies but everybody else does. So it's kind of an allegory about colonial Azzam. Help you guys again those what happened last time we did you know what I means right it's your typical I don't want to see your typical Zombie movie, but you know just what you expect from Zombie movie but with enough of a original twist where it's so good than it is really really good at the May sound so good. And then there's So some of them they start indigenous actors and characters, but they're not all created by indigenous directors. I think it's important to specify light because an indigenous film would be you know the indigenous writer director people behind the camera as much as in front of the camera. So Jeff Barnaby is indigenous of course, and that's both of those ramps for young goals and blood quantum are legit indigenous films but films starring indigenous characters like Mwana. There's whale rider inches. I. Love It. Yeah. I saw that when it came out. Yeah Yup. That's Maui a New Zealand Indigenous People Chris Air. Who is a pretty famous Native American director did edge of America, which about a native American and girls, basketball? Team And all of them pass a test. Whole on Sambol of indigenous native American girls. Basketball team and they all pass. A. Empire of dirt. Okay. Directors not indigenous but it's a movie about three generations of indigenous women, the grandmother, the mother, the daughter, and then I'm coming together and healing together and trying to like become a family again, and it's so good. It's on Amazon prime. Songs my brother taught me. The director's also not indigenous. The movie takes place on our reservation and it's very good Then there's Leland. Stitch which. ELITISM from gargoyles passes they ll attest because she's black Indian Yeah Oh yeah. I. Love Lisa Maza anyways from gargoyles just because. It's not in the past. It's not on a reservation. It's not you know and the some made up fantasy thing. It's just as bad ass black native woman living in New York City interacting with awesome creatures going on this adventure and just being brave and smarten hot. Top three equality's. Actually hang on is it is it over here? Look? This is the sequel to the book but Rebecca Roan Horse wrote she wrote trail lightning. This one is storm locus. It's the sequel, but the main character is a monster. Hunting Navajo. And post apocalyptic. American southwest bug? Yeah Like. decolonizing Sifi. It is amazing I'm halfway through it. Recommend Maggie Hausky is a bad ass in every single definition of the word. And as for films that don't pass the test or stories that don't pass the test. Like worth checking out there is a movie called Mayan Ah. It's the inuit people needing the eat new people for the first time. No, there's pre contact colonial also. Saw Woman, who falls. Is kidnapped basically by In you it trappers I guess, and then you know the story is unusual and Unorthodox by it's got enough fun nuance and complexity where I can overlook the. Rape Sane. That Hammond is. Which is handled better than it was in the the revenue By Leagues, Island. Yes. We're going to have a bear in your movie. It should be Paddington I've said it before I'll say it again. Yeah. Thanks for all these recommendations were a lot to. There's a lot to checkout. I'm so excited. Of course Avatar and Cora because the quarter tribe are in you it inspired. Really. Hope they hired annual actress or the live action series on that flex? They don't I'm going to be furious. Shaima land again and. Adam mess. So does this movie pass? The BECHTOL test is a law. Resin movies is they will never struggle with the Bechtel test that's true and it passes the test is. Yes it does and then as far as our nipple scale zero to five nipples based on how the movie fares from an intersectional feminist standpoint I I think I I think I'd give this like I'm inclined to take a little nip alleged off for the fact that. On a has to be saved several times. I think there is opportunity to include the north people who are not on and Elsa more meaningfully but the fact that you these characters are given this layer of being indigenous the discovery that they are half north. Audra is important representation for such a popular lucrative franchise. So all the children who saw this now. And especially indigenous children who saw this they have someone and for you as an adult like you connected. So much this movie. That's why representations so important. So there's you know I think there's some pros and cons. There's there's some minor weaknesses for this movie but I think that it it does pretty well, I would give this I think like. Four Nipples I. Think a lot of to the issues that we had with the first frozen movie that we discussed at length on that episode I feel like some of those things are still kind of present but I think that they do course correct some of it in the fact that you know it's a story about two sisters who were raised in a European kingdom whose ancestors were colonizers, and then them having to answer to the injustices inflicted by those ancestors on an indigenous population and that's an interesting story. But at the same time, I can't help but think that when the first frozen. Movie was being made the creators never had any intention of having on or Elsa be biracial indigenous women, which is why they look so white but like somewhere along the line, some person at Disney went to the creators of frozen and said, look we have a diversity quotas to fill. Can you do something about that with the frozen sequel and they were like sure let's retroactively make the main characters half indigenous that should do the trick, and of course, this is me speculating I couldn't find anything specific about this one way or the other in my research, but that is what it feels like to me. Even so I'll give it four nipples because the movie is trying and I'm grading on a curve today. I'll give one to on a one to Elsa. one to honeymoon and one to Yelena. Yeah I'M GONNA, go go with four as well. I think yeah, it's. It's kind of interesting because I mean the fact that arguably one of the biggest franchises on the planet prioritize not just representing an indigenous culture but doing so responsibly in a franchise that I would not have expected an attempt like this t to be made much less pretty successfully. So I I think it is pretty like an outlier in the entire Disney Catalogue and I WanNa give credit where credit is due there but yeah, docking for like I guess we'd be like three point seven, five to four. This is I mean the nipple scales the most important thing in the entire world. But I'm fluctuated between three and a half and a four because we do still have. Basically, the I have like my problems with it are kind of unchanged from the first movie where it's still I mean we still have an overwhelmingly. White behind the camera team it is I think it is still like a very positive thing that Jennifer Lee is the writer and director of that in animation a woman Even if it is you know a white lady that still has a lot to learn. It is in animation particularly a no small deal as we learned in our brave episode where the female director was kicked off the film So so I still think that that's very impressive, but the having white actors voice indigenous characters is in twenty, nine, thousand, nine, hundred. There's really you don't have a leg to stand on in terms of defending that choice that would have been truly just so easy not to make. And then and then yeah, I mean I guess the the Kristof storyline kind a little bit unnecessary even though I wish that they had I liked what you suggested alley far more of like Kristof ANA connecting on a shared culture versus dislike I. Have to ask her to get married even though she's definitely going to say, yes, it's just like Why is he so nervous about it? A very basic kind of weirdly basic plot point in a very complex movie and then I do wish that the indigenous characters who we Had more of an ARC and had more to do because there was space for that in the movie but. By and large I was like. Really really, really impressed with what this movie pulled off successfully and I guess I guess I'll I'll match at four three, point seven, five, I feel means. I'm horrible. Now one one to honey Marian one to Yelena one to Elsa and then point seven, five, two on a because she gets rescued too much. Yeah, I'M GONNA have to say as well. The only reason well, of course, I'm biased because it jus- I loved it so much by for a lot of the reasons, you mentioned to have some people as consultants is good but I feel like there should have been more as far as I- behind the camera. And the voice acting studio for sure but overall I think that compared to the likes of Pocahontas and other indigenous. Ahead yes. other indigenous princesses and characters at our in predominantly white studios known it's frozen to certainly wasn't the worst and it surprised me it truly surprised me I didn't expect anything. Deeper, you know but it was wonderful and I give it four on us not getting anything. I'm. GonNa. Give it Elsa Yelena first off just because you saw me at Modesto. On it doesn't get anything goodbye nothing. Frana, we'll think so much for for joining us for being here where can people find you online or anything else you'd like to plug your Tumbler for example, in which you have all the information about the test, all that stuff. So the Ayla tests on Tumbler and then I'm also Ellie Naughty. Twitter, thank you so much for having me. Oh. Please come back another. Like anytime you want. We love to have you back. This is like this was so much fun. And if you guys ever do WanNa. Do like a polk video absolutely recommend little red. Nacho on twitter because she is from the tribe the mets pony I think is how you say Tribe tried. So she knows about like the actual history and the oral traditions and stuff like that. She'd be a great guest for if we did when we do a Pocahontas episode so. Yeah. 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How to Make Sense of the Emmy Nominations

Little Gold Men

41:06 min | 1 year ago

How to Make Sense of the Emmy Nominations

"Hello and welcome to little Goldman the award season podcast from Vanity Fair. It's such an honors present this next award nominees and the group and I can't deny the fact that you like me on the mistake grew like you guys won best picture. I'm Katie rich the deputy editor Vanity Fair Dot Com and I'm here for our Special Emmy Nominations Day conversation with our senior editor in Robinson Hi Katie and and joining us again we have our TV critic Sony Suraya High and our Hollywood editor Hillary thesis hello so we're a few hours removed from the emmy nominations. We've all taken some time to process it. Figure out who we're morning for who were excited about Hillary. You have been kind of assigning editing all the stories about it so for you what's kind of the story of these emmy nominations. If there's one big takeaway well so the obvious big takeaway is game of thrones getting thirty two nominations for season eight. It was a divisive season. They got a lot of flack throughout there. Was the Coffee Cup. There was the water bottle. <hes> more important things that went wrong there was there was a lot of conversation about the writing <hes> I think that wasn't there some story about who if you Google bad writers the first thing that comes up up now is which is very mean by the way the Internet Nicolette customer Waldo defending them and talking about the room so generally speaking the the conversation. If you've been paying attention to the Internet is like him thrown season it was bad and then here here comes thirty two nominations the most nominations ever given to one season of television <hes> which is pretty amazing so H._B._O.. Must be feeling pretty good right now. <hes> that's that's like it's the biggest story the bigger big story as well <hes> that is kind of heart warming arming is much smaller but shits creek got a whole lot of Emmy love and has never got nominated before <hes>. It's very adorable like heartwarming comedy. <hes> and I think that a lot of people are very excited to see getting. It's do you any you're too story about the game of thrones hall all kind of the same things that Hillary did the despite the online backlash it it did find. Do you talk us up to just the emmys liking what they like and wanting to do the same thing over and over again or is there something that that we all got wrong at the EMMYS got right. No I was I was personally like even though I agreed agreed with a lot of the criticism of the final season I never doubted that they would get a huge emmy nomination hall and probably huge Emmy Nomination win. It just feels like the television academy has never been exactly on top of the same aim things that the fans are the critics have been topped of when they don't like us. He's in like there was one year. I talk about this a lot peeved English is enormously talented but there was like one year they gave him an emmy. First season that Tyrian did like basically nothing and was barely in they just sorta felt like they weren't paying attention and there were like Oh give the thrones. That's a big show. Peter de Jesus go you know and so like I didn't think it would hamper their ability to get all these nominations nations. I was extraordinarily pleasantly surprised by some of the numbers because you know last year they broke the record getting twenty two this year is Hillary said they got thirty two and those ten extra like a lot of those are acting nominations which is really fun because is like you've got first time nominee Sophie Turner Great. I I'm nominee out the Allen first time nominee Gwendolyn Christie crease on Houghton in the guest category like there's just like room for all these things beyond the lake core. The lanes are siblings. Things have been nominated year after year you know and that's great but like just to give these other people Alfie Allen is just like I think that's my that's my big story today alcohol and getting an emmy nomination sounds like four Joanna specifically going to be so thanks to the television academy. I appreciate it yeah. It feels it feels. It feels good. That nomination for me feels good. I and another thing to to note is one of the big criticisms the the major episodes that are nominated are the lung night and the throne both of which were heavily criticized the long night criticized because people literally couldn't see it and the iron thrown is the finale criticized for a lot of different things. I didn't check this. I probably should have Joanna. Do you remember as the long night up for cinematography and did not get nominated for someone to talk fee that the cinematography award went to iron thrown okay. Is that what he'd been an amazing trolling they got nominated for editing and like both the sound design awards went to the iron thrown <hes> directing the headed F._i._C. screening of the long night at grauman's Chinese theater in all the settings were correct for it and it was on the big screen. It was in the dark theater and you didn't have to deal with the H._B._O.. Compression rate which like sort of muddied everything and everyone who saw it at that screening was like it was a masterpiece and like even Sonia mentioned this Nicolay Coaster Waldo was that was at this can game of thrones convention this this weekend he was like okay. Even at home was like who is that is that me is that going on. I can't see you know so like he was like yeah. I at home was really upset. By what I saw. It was like a big piece humble pie for us to like be like work really hard on this episode and go online and see all this backlash and yeah and then the academy decided to award what they saw which for many of them at that F._i._C._A.. Screening was a masterpiece so oh I think it's I think it's funny 'cause like even the highlights of the season like things people agree on like the brand ninety seen in a night is seven kingdoms seven kingdoms the second episode of the season which a lot of people or me at least think is the best was is not nominated for anything so like it's just like it's got all these nominations and all these nations for things that I'm like okay wasting buddy up for the only writers that got nominated for this final season okay. That's not what I would have done but okay yeah and going back to <hes> something that you said about Peter Drink Ledge and his parade of nominations especially the time that you know he won for one of his less active seasons on something that Sonia said before we came here was that often kind of seems like like the emmys voters see like six shows and they really like those six shows and so they're just like you know. Let's give a nomination everybody in here. <hes> and I think that there are years where that's more true <hes> and years that we're that's true but there's definitely it seems like there's definitely some evidence of that get in here. This is the more year because I mean to speak to some of the other shows that were nominated. This is US Mandy Moore gets her first nomination alongside Sterling K. Brown and Milo Ventimiglia who the academy Love Lake for for reasons that are like fine the answer before they announced the nominations about Sterling K. Brown Kim Jong <hes> from the mass thing or my favorite show and Darcy Carton from Barry in the good plays a okay there banter went on for like I want to say it was excruciating but yeah they were all these but then filled with all these self-referential jokes about how excruciating it is you can't do both you're not helping. I know my takeaway from that was I hope the Emmys don't don't have host after all if this is what it's going to be but and then so fleabag <hes> which got a ton of nominations none for the mail <hes> performers which is very interesting but I mean but gave fleabag bums me out not just doing the concept of men. That's obviously that's actually yeah so not just B._B.. While her bridge Sean Clifford and Olivia Colman who are regular cast members but Kristin Scott Thomas and the castrol she'd have very cool guest role cool monologue and feel shaw who is literally in one scene worship. We're fleabag goes to get therapy and it's like two minutes long because she's not good at it and Fiona Shaw <unk> says it's possible to fuck God and that's it. She got an emmy nomination for killing Eve two right she did yeah goodyear in the supporting role yeah yeah and there's May is a much bigger part which is a much bigger part yeah and then another show that just had like a huge spread of nominations is Berry which you know show that I love but I'm still sort of like reeling from the fact that Anthony Kerrigan who has no hang Stevens who's Fuchs and like Henry Winkler who already he had like made never had an emmy nomination and now one last year and now has the second one and Sarah Goldberg and even Sarah Goldberg right like it's just amazing how many minor performers which really leads me to feel that like a lot of voters were not watching that many shows they were watching. Maybe a handful of shows and the biggest overlap is where the nominations hit <hes> so they definitely watched when they see us yeah yeah we'll see how much they watch Fossey Verdon on top of that the it's like they picked one in each to obsess over. I think you're right yeah yeah and there's also the store that are still there year after year. Even though it seems like they're moment has kind of past like I was kind of surprised to see Viola. Davis sneak in for <hes> actress in the drama when I feel like nobody's mentioned how to get away with murder since she one which was years ago but my take is that that's her widows nomination. Melissa McCarthy can win an Emmy Friday so nobody saw widows but everyone who did is in the EMMYS Academy Americana. Hey won an Oscar Oscar for two detectives so it all all kind of cycles through is this race to talk about my favorite rule. which is the hanging episode rule? Oh yeah the for the Yes for here. There's a lot of confusion this morning in terms of like shows are. I have to air within an eligibility window and it'll be considered for series wide nominations but you can still get episode specific nominations if you sneak in <hes> with a hanging episode rule which means if you had enough episodes airing in the new eligibility window you can seek something in and I think that's how handmaid's tale right got gun the nomination in nominee to in <hes> because of that but Elizabeth Moss's ineligible because the bulk of handmaid's tale did not air and the eligibility window so weird so it'll have to have another crack next year right like right and him until he will be eligible next year right but it's just like it's so confusing because like ah this this makes the other thing that I always find so confusing about the Emma's like win. A shows first season is kind of nominated sometimes for a second season if the second season is airing in the emmy nomination window. You know what I mean is like in view voters are thinking about the <hes> the season that's currently airing when they cast their vote for the first season. It's all very like money. It's it all feels muddier than the Oscars do and I think that's because they don't Hook it around a calendar year. Grammy's uh-huh sure I don't understand how laverne Cox dominated to was orange the new black eligible except for guests categories or as oranges new budget irrelevant. I think it's more that the last season of orange the new black lack was irrelevant than I mean. I think that maybe Netflix is kind of keeping its outer drive for that shows last season which is about to premier in a wing and I think that maybe they were just kind of putting more effort behind you know the when when they see us even Ozark Ozark yeah seriously because Netflix is really missing. It's like big power players rates missing the crown. It's missing <hes> like a good season of new black and house of cards is is like in disgrace right and so it didn't have like it's usual Emmy Emmy power players in those categories and so it really anywhere to this great piece on like how many of its dollars it pushed behind Ozark and it's forty five point five five percent of its marketing distribution winter ozark. Oh my <hes> yeah so and the bodyguard thirty six percent this sorry that's just for drama but like still that's like so much <hes> and then like narcos little tiny bit house of cards little tiny any bit but there were like okay. We're GONNA do that Bush because Jason Bateman got some nominations last year so we can push it to get it into the main category which they did got nominated bodyguard got nominated but it was funny because I was like I was seeing Ozarka the top of all these like Gold Derby prediction enlist and I was like why because nobody talks about that show why and then and then I read up about how many how many dollars like apparently probably if I lived in L._A.. Wouldn't be why I'd be like sure that's exactly yeah. Well you mentioned bodyguard. Maybe a good time to talk about some snubs because Joanna we talk last week about how you were really pushing Richard Mad and not just for a nomination for bodyguard prefer a win and it got ways series nomination but he didn't get nominated. How did that happen? Hope harassing thing for me. I made me right <HES> NO I. It seems like a Sony and I were talking about this little bit this morning he just he does. It feels like a choice. I think is what's on your side. It's like and it's weird to me because like I do I think I think that should be flipped. I Richard Mountain is great in that series and I think that series is spotty at best and so I'm just like shocked for it to get a series nomination not a nomination for men who like holes it all together like is it starts. It's a really strong and then it really falls apart halfway through and so it just seems like a real miscarriage of justice for like I would prefer a blinking snub to this particular combination of nominations so that's interesting. I was surprised that <hes> homecoming the Amazon on series didn't get nominations. I'm especially in opera. Julia Roberts because you know it doesn't feel like that long ago whenever that when a giant celebrity made a T._v.. Show it was a big deal <hes> and it was like Oh my God. Can you believe it doesn't feel like they're stooping to do ATV but it still feels like a surprise <hes> and yeah homecoming wasn't particularly buzzy. I think that maybe Kinda had a brief moment and then sort of receded into the General Scrum of P T._v.. But still you know when Julia Roberts can't get an emmy nomination that just shows how competitive the market is and just how many shows there are yet it is interesting because fleabag <hes> kind of launched Amazon to a good year you know with Mazel and fleabag they've kind of they've got to back to back yeah all Maazel nominations. It got the most nominations after game of thrones <hes> which I guess just show Sonia that you and I are D- what the only people who didn't likes listen to this surprising to me. I don't understand what they see it but this really does go back to this whole thing about their now. They're locked in there watching the show Oh and then it's like there's just so much more room to give them some leeway. I guess with me with talent with style. It still looks beautiful. I'll give and they also like nominated like I don't think Luke Kirby got a nomination for the first season but he plays Lenny Bruce Awesome is really great like a it gives room for the deep bench of people who are on that show right. Yes it's not just Rachel rows ahead and Alex Abortion and actually speaking of House of cards <hes> Robin Rate and Michael Kelly Net nominated which again I think indicates that like even when these shows our lake disgraced or ending cancelled or whatever when people are locked in when when voters are locked in there still watching these shows they care about yeah. I think I think that was kind of like a I was somewhat expecting robin right to get nomination as a sort of like good job you for soldiering. I don't know I don't know rhapsody thing like usurp. The bad man mission you've got rid of the Batman and you carry it on Youtube Michael Kelly you did it. I don't know the I did want to talk about something that that Mike in Mike's Absence I was on the Mike loves to talk about which is the like double triple threats or whatever they get nominated so Jason Bateman getting nominated for acting and directing Natasha Leeann getting nominated for acting and writing for Russian doll phoebe while bridge acting and reading fleabag Bill Hader directing writing enacting berry and these these triple double threats are the people that Mike Lakes Assay often win like it's why you see like sort of like Donald Glover's. I'm like you know like a ah the when someone has so many talents brimming over so many talents that the television county often likes to award them with a win but do we think in that actress category and the Comedy Series Actors category does anyone have actual actual shot against Julian louis-dreyfuss or is this just like sort of the victory lap for Julia and veep. I think that the moon would have to crash before anybody one that emmy besides Julia Julia Louis Dreyfus Yeah. It's really hard to imagine especially because she didn't win. Last year like Richard Brosnahan got her year to try it so it doesn't feel as exhausting as it might have if it were just a nonstop streak. It's not just the cheapest great. It's not just the Julia Louis Dreyfus Great. It's that that it was last season's that she had cancer. The narrative is all the lineup of actresses who were nominated leg. It's such an amazing group of people like it is just exciting to think about the mall in one place and like Tasha Leone talking if he'd be waller bridge edge talking to Catherine O'Hara oh my God Catherine O'Hara getting nominated Hillary mentioned Shits Creek at the top but like we talked a little bit about it last week is a show that kind of got bumped by Netflix having aired on pop for a while but just seeing how much the emmys really jumped on board shits creek was so exciting and seeing like three like if you looked on the the television academy said this little spreadsheet which is what I'm currently looking at which has like Blah Blah just a CPAP TV and they're really excited for some. It's an incredible. Though I mean like I <music> I'm like it seems ungrateful to be like three Nominees Shits Creek but they missed in Levy but like I don't know it seems it seems sad not have Dan Levy nominated me and Andrew Scott like you know yeah so much but couldn't you just give us. One more thing also got. It was really Katie. We were talking about this on twitter but I was kind of shocked just looking at the grid of pictures to realize that all of the comedy actresses were all white women. I think that flea she'll Rishaad was nominated for something and that was the only performance the only performer I could see that was a person of color and then like Sandra. Oh is nominated <hes> in vase. That's on the drama side is <hes> nominated for and Sterling K. Brown on and on the comedy side and then totally just white women in the other side. That's Kinda surprised me right but then and then you see when they see us like coming like there's a lot of nominations for when they see us. which is you know? Veronese Netflix afflicts in the limited series degree rape that that is like bringing some non whiteness to the board and then also like Billy Puerto nomination which is bringing Grosso out that and Mahershala Ali who was nominated even though true detective objective was not except for outstanding opening credits. Yes my favorite yes. It got to nominations for Sterling K. branded opening credits. The opening credits were so good so really and also I. I also WANNA shout out <hes> A category that we haven't talked about <hes> which is animation <hes> which Sony and I were both thrilled to see Bodak horsemen finally get nominated for outstanding animated program. It's the best show on T._V.. Oh Wow yeah so. The nominees in that category are really interesting. There's some categories where it seems like. Just the same. Things get nominated year after year after year. <hes> variety talk series is one of them now. At this point. The lineup seems pretty set <hes> an animation you know so it's pretty typical to see Bob's Burgers and to see the simpsons seats South Park which didn't get nominated this year <hes> but there's finally a couple of new shows breaking in big mouth also snuck in there which is great. <hes> and I don't know it's nice to see that there are ways in which the emmys. These are paying attention to newer things yeah so like for example also pen fifteen <hes> who lose like middle school comedy from Comedians Meyer Scannon Anna Konkan got a writing nomination which is just like so exciting that it could get got enough ground school behind it to get a nomination. I mean when I go into the emmys like I'm never expecting like my super. True faves to really get honored whether that's like you know Rami on Hulu or like high maintenance on H._B._O.. which are like I know that their Indian they're sort of niche but then to see pen fifteen get honored to see big mouth get honored? This is like so exciting and Oh in documentary now the the Song Todd documentary I mean these are like really like such successful. Little nuggets little gems that <hes> of conduct reality show last week. I talked about how I wanted. Marie Conde to have more amy buzz and she did. I didn't know it I she's nominated up in the category that also includes Rupaul and then Amy Poehler Nick Offerman is a team like what a a group of people getting those people in a room I y no I want. I want to come to the emmys and do her bow. You know do like how she wanted to do it and then I want her to clean house yeah. She's GonNa Touch Jason Bateman and you don't bring joy and also in reality. I was really excited that nailed it made it into the competition lineup. I believe that's the first streaming reality series to make it into the category the way I really wish Nicole buyer had also gotten host nation since she she has brought me more joy on television than anything else this year and repulse drag race got fourteen nominations throughout the reality categories yeah. That's that's the reality Juggernaut now that's just incredible the the fact at that show turned into the unlikely nominee into like an awards juggernaut is like amazing <hes> then we were talking about it last week. I was really worried that a sharp objects was gonna get completely overlooked because it has been sort of muted reception its beginnings of nominations but not like the high accolades that I really wanted it to but it both Amy Adams and Patricia Clarkson got in there got eight nominations so the television academy has not forgotten about sharp objects and like dot e miatas performance <hes> because I'm GonNA personally start screaming at academy voter until they vote for that's my such a good performance in its I mean while you guys hey Vanity Fair Cover Star Patricia Arquette I do not hey our cat. That's the problem I really liked Patricia arquette too. I just felt like Amy Adams. Performance in sharp objects just like really like like rattled me and got under my skin and I I just feel like that show <hes> about Siri. Let Limited series rather did so many interesting the things that kind of got forgotten about it's really been Lady Academy. <hes> and I mean Patricia Arquette has like a pile of award he does have a out of trophy must lead nominations. I mean just screaming Adam. Yes Yeah Merie conduct could like come an interpreter cat. How does the like tiny up her awards and then she would look at Amy Adams empty shelves and be like this is sad? You need an award I mean this is how much fan fiction the awards already setting us up for because we have Catherine O'Hara we have very condo like we can just start to like really build narratives in our minds. That's what's television is four exactly yeah I forgot about shits creeks most exciting <hes> nomination which is contemporary costume. Oh my God so I'm really is wardrobe. GETS GETS THE WIN for real hair showed up to the emmys character all spontaneously combust amazing leasing and then she could do a performance from cabaret. Oh I'm so happy that we've decided to just fully into writing fan fiction. Do you guys want to start leaning toward potential winners like obviously we're gonNA spend a while talking about a lot of these but does anything about the the nominations tally. Tell us anything about who we think is GONNA win other than I guess that game of thrones in veep as expected or still massive contenders something that we actually haven't talked about yet <hes> but that going back to <hes> Amy Adams and Patricia arquette is leading actress in a limited series or T._v.. Movie category is really brutal because Michelle Williams is so good and Fossey and like I would be so thrilled for any of those three women to win but like I mean this is also just because as you know it's about musical theater and that's the topic that I care about maybe more than escaping from prisons and self harm but I thought you burden is so good and Michelle. Williams is amazing in it. She just this amazing transformation gwen Verdon I don't know the show got a lot of nominations nations but it still feels like it doesn't have quite the same momentum behind it that I think you might need in order to actually get those nominations translate into wins but Michelle Williams I think Chernobyl Stole Fossey Verdon Edmund <hes> because I think anyone was was really expecting that series to do as well as it did and it got nineteen nominations which is so crazy when you think about the fact that it is like led by like old suffering from Radiation Soviet men and we're like suffering through our landscape like it's kind of amazing story time we'd rather watch bleak like ration suffering or when they see us which is one of the harder things watch. I mean it's so it's like so necessary but I had to start and stop the first episode fifteen times finished it and it's just really interesting to see those two up against escape ident Amora sharp objects fuss evert in which feel a little bit more like prestige awards bait types of programs. It's very it's really interesting time a guy who would you guys like what would you say would win for limited series of this point because I'm leaving seeing that because I thought when they see us how the strong showing because they handle is acting nominations but Chernobyl had the highest tally but it makes it hard for me to think of who would be the favorite in that lineup yeah I feel like Jared Harris wins actor maybe and when they see us when series ending when they see us absolute win series. That's how I feel too I mean I think it's such a just because it's the relevance of it is very hard to because even Chernobyl which also has relevance this is not as relevant yeah especially with politics. I mean who knows where we're going to be politically in September but I can see politics <hes> stuff yeah making people want to vote for when they see us not just on marriage the series but as a kind of like rebuke the trump administration you're saying he's not going away before September. I feel like they were real world consequences from when they see and I think that you say like low behold <music> the power of T._v.. All those influencers go into taking the the one thing we consider like even with all these game of thrones dominations nations the fact that eleven of those nominations are acting categories means that they could easily cancel each other out right now so it'll be you know there's three supporting actor nominations and three supporting four supporting actress nominations which is crazy see so like you know Hey Fiona Shah for killing you might get in there because all the game of thrones actresses cancel each other out or something like that so I don't know maybe too many nominations is is the problem I mean it's hard to imagine they wouldn't split the vote in those very full categories. Yeah I mean or it's just everybody is like oh well Peter desolate why not right Yeah Poor Alfie Ellen Peter Gingrich again. It's like why he was very good this season he's really but he has many you know it Scott Emmys Peter Given to Nikolai or Alfie and like you know Lena he if Lena hedy wins which she hasn't ever one game thrones if she wins it will certainly be like a series long sort of anemia. She earns yeah. You'll have more insight on this because I was kind of disappointed not necessarily that Amelia Clark and Kid Harrington were nominated but that they were nominated in lead like I understand why sort of conceptually but I sort of felt like I always feel like the the WHO's who's elite performer and who's a supporting performer on game of thrones is way more complicated than we'll yes these admitted in lead last year and got snubbed. They didn't make it in <hes> when they submit inle last year until I was expecting it until like Tuck tail and like Bop back down to supporting but they're like nope. Let's do it again but I think I would agree that the way that this season was framed. It really was John. John Harris season so like this season more then last season when they tried it I._B.. Like yeah they're they're the leads of this end game of thrones yeah but neither of them is GonNa win. I mean I don't know Emilia. Clarke did so much so little actually like I would. I might might be tempted to vote for her given everything that she had to like. Try to make make sense I'd love to she won and just got like okay. Here's how I really felt that would be beautiful. Yeah elite actress and a drama is tough. It's Emilia Clarke Jody comber Viola Davis Laura Linney Mandy Moore Sandra. Oh and Robin riot men the fact that Sandra Owen and Jodi Kumar going up against each other is another really interesting thing I mean I'm very excited for both of them. I think they're both fantastic performers but it's I mean it's impossible. It's a very difficult to imagine that they would not split the vote against each other. Other doesn't Sandra Oh have the benefit of being the more famous one and having been on television for longer and like she got the nomination last year she didn't win. I feel like if I wanted to award killing eve I would easily go for her but I think in the second season became more of a to handwrite. It's funny because I would give duty comber because got nominated for season and got the globe you know so it's like okay. We've acknowledged Andro but jody comber is just so incredible on that show. I wonder if there will be like a more a bigger groundswell of support for Sandra though just like because she didn't win yet last year but her nomination was such a big deal and was so meaningful to so many people and I don't know if that might put more fire behind. Signed her this year. Absolutely I mean it could very well could <hes> there's so many factors that play I think the narrative of in the lead actor category the narrative of like is this finally Bob Odenkirk year after having been nominated so many times upset it would be really fun if that were the case so I learned my listened last year because like everyone was like okay. It's finally Matthews's year and I was like Nah. They're never GONNA do it. They're just never going to do it and then they did. It and I was like okay I get on board the it's finally so and so's year narrative have absolutely not academies turned really receptive to us. Haven't they like they're listening like lick. The fact that Shits Creek and fleabag got as much attention as they did. I do feel like it's an we're really seeing more open academy. They're innovative <hes> yeah. If it's a if it's it's <hes> the finally his year narrative I would also like to put in a plug for Jonathan Banks and supporting actor because he's been doing such great work for so long as the man have to do and I have to say in this season. His art was devastating. If you guys saw better call solve the Germans and he had to kill one of the Germans and it was just you knew it was going to happen the whole time and it was still so heart-rending. He's amazing so yeah. If the game of thrones guys <hes> cancelled themselves out maybe then it will leave room for Jonathan Banks finally yeah I think Peter I think the year that I always harp on that Peter Damage one that I don't think he should have one is the year I really wanted. Jonathan based away this year. He gave his speech about his son and I was like no when in yeah and then petered English one and I'm like got one already but what are you doing here anyway. <hes> I WANNA call attention to one like hilarious category which is <hes> outstanding variety special prerecorded <hes> and the nominees are Hannah Gadsby ninette homecoming a film by beyond say springsteen on Broadway <hes> Wanda Sykes her special not normal and last but not least Carpool Karaoke when Corden met McCartney live from Liverpool it just I think the reason lake it so much as I feel like it also just like net is such a like. It's like this weird stand up special. That's like also kind of performance are also kind of anti comedy and then there's homecoming like bay cello literally Bay Shelhah then there's springsteen on Broadway like like the I mean Bruce and then Carpool Karaoke and Wanda Sykes just rounding it out. There's a lot there. There's a lot in competition with each other T._v.'s weird there's also like I just WanNa note because I think it's so weird that one of game of thrones thirty two nominations for V._R.. Experienced created where you get to bite zombies. So you know Oh Jeez Oh unlike John I I think Jonathan Banks is also nominated for a better causal web series Yeah Better Call Saul employee training is nominated hack in Lebron's Brad City yeah yes that was it employee training and I was just like I don't even know he did this. Extra thing on the side but it's totally it's totally the emmys I believe that repulse drag race is nominated for like the show itself and then also for untucked which is like it's discussion show that always seemed like part of the actual show to me but I guess they're different enough that they can both be nominated for emmys. What a time to be alive what time adding a Lotta also got acting nominations for short form comedy drama series because it's a this is strange world out there also rent live is nominated opposite the Oscars and and the Norman Lear special rent life has six nominations from my question is is it for the dress rehearsal which aired or for the skidding? It's obviously for what aired but what a weird night that was yeah yeah rent nominated for most broken leg like how that's the weirdest category because it's just showing up guarantees you nomination like the Oscars didn't have a host nomination yeah I I wish that I could defend rent lives inclusion <hes> as a as a longtime rent person but no that was that should not be there. It was a special moment in time. Remember Jesus Christ superstar live got a bunch of acting nominations to so it could be more present that was is great. Jesus Christ superstar actually was live yeah and had John Legend good performances and you have Valentine not jumping on a table not to get too far are into rent line. Do you guys want to close it up. I just picking some personal favorites like we'll have lots of time to some for who we want but as of today who showed up on the list that you're gonNA say all right. It will make my heart leap if you manage to to win for this way. I don't know if you know the this about about me Katie but I'm a big fan of Allen's work on Gema thrown. I've never heard you discussed the first time anyway. I'm just GonNa like from now until September twenty second. I'm just going to like be writing Allen's Allen's name over and over again and like my journal so they now the m. e. voters read that I think so I sent a copy to them. I started freshman. I'm picking my personal like cheering section for my Rudolph as the judge and the good place who's who's a nominating the guests actress in comedy series opposite. Fiona Sean Kristin Scott Thomas for fleabag Sancho Emma Thompson for hosting S._N._l.. And then Jane Lynch on Marvelous Mrs Mazel <hes> it's kind of a murderers row. I have no idea what my odds would be but I love her on the good place so much yeah I'm GonNa put in a vote for the good place itself <hes> which got into the comedy series category <hes> It's the best it certainly the best comedy on Network Television One of the best comedies on TV period <hes> and also I will plug Ted Danson <hes> offer lead actor and a comedy because he's so great the comedy lineup is so good commies right now are so much better than dramas. I'm just GONNA say it <hes> I would say that I'm very excited for Bocek horsemen to be nominated and I hope that it I don't know oh I i. I don't actually know the stakes of the best animated <hes> category brace this year but I created is so the stakes are not that I guess we're probably not that high but if they could win I would love that. I'm also just really excited for Catherine O'Hara. It'd be nominated to return turn to this continuing Catherine O'Hara at the emmys thing but I just think that it's amazing. I would love it if she I mean she's not actually GonNa win but I would. I'm just really happy she's there. I'm also really excited. That Stephen Route was nominated <hes> for Berry because it's his first <hes> acting being award ever had. I'm sorry if I already said how it's News Radio Stephen Route. It's just I I mean nomination it which is insane. It's the same way that Henry Winkler right. It's like it's interesting that this is like bill haters. We'll houses like finding serve actors and yet also like Oh my God Steven Rue totally deserves an emmy like this is amazing who him or no Hank I you care again is so good. He really I the his it's so weird what he's doing and it so so good. I don't know it's hard because also like Berry requires its actors to be funny and then also to be quite serious and I think that Anthony and makes me laugh the most but Stephen route like sends fear down my spine in that show <hes> so those are both good performances but I don't know exactly which is which well they'll always Tony Hill so yeah that's ever to lose the least I don't know the Kaminsky method. Keep surprising so who knows what eleanor can might do in the lineup to they are not the Globes though thank you probably we can just keep that in mind yeah we do keep having to remind ourselves to that because I think the Globes of take up a lot of mental real estate on these things for some reason <hes> I was really surprised in happy that Margaret Qualley was nominated for Fossey Vernon. I just spotted that and I just wanted to say something about that. She was great it on the leftovers <hes> and she was really good is an raking in ranking my saying that raking in <hes> in Fossey Verdon and I just <hes> we're going to be seeing more of her because she's in once upon a time in Hollywood <hes> so it's Kinda cool that she's <hes> she's going to a moment. I was thinking that Fussy Verdon didn't have as many acting nominations as it showed but then I couldn't figure out like meaning you've got like morbidly buzzes petty show. Yes ski like I don't know. Is there anyone he might major snubs there or it. I just want more fussy. Verdon like Hilary Lindh lin-manuel Maranda didn't make it in for his one minute cameo as Roy Scheider <hes> which I am shocked by considering the <hes> various awards giving bodies propensity for awarding Lin Manuel Miranda for showing up I think he's already got an emmy though so he's on. He's on his way to an EGO regardless. I think all this missing is the Oh how <hes> I thought that bender snatch getting nominated was interesting. I don't know if we WANNA talk about that but it's interactive. I mean has that happened before. Have we nominated an interactive game ish thing into <hes> T._v.. Movie category before I don't think we have is interesting. That netflix had the money to put behind it to kind of. Maybe overcome any concerns anybody had about it. I don't know that the T._V. movie category was Super Competitive this year if indicated by my dinner with survey movie I completely forgot existed getting in there so maybe it was like something people had heard of and they were willing to overlook any like weird structural stuff at least makes more sense there than previous Black Mirror episodes somehow getting nominated as T._v.. Movies rich the when they were episodes of a T._v.. Show it's is true bender snatch at least does stand alone however it also has several branching endings and not really a plot so I don't know it's hard to say right. It's kind of interesting. I feel like it's the academy going postmodern all right well we will be talking about the emmys plenty between now and and <hes> September when the Emmy awards are handed out and <hes> so knit Hillary. Thank you for joining us to help sort through all this. There's so many things we didn't even get to talk about which I guess is what the next few weeks or four in the meantime you can find all of us writing about the emmy nominations fanfare dot COM <hes> and you can define little gold men on twitter little Goldman and on our own I met Katie Rich Joanna Jerus- and Sonia Sonia Suraya and Hillary filibuster with to ours this week's episode was edited and produced by Brett Fuchs and.

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Dressing Wakanda's Royal Family with Ruth Carter

Lisa, Sandra and Kristen Go to the Movies

38:46 min | 1 year ago

Dressing Wakanda's Royal Family with Ruth Carter

"Thanks for listening to this show and you can let us know what you think about it. At pod thoughts dot com that's pod thoughts dot com and thanks again for listening. Hey Sandra Chinese kristen. Dan what's up girl are y'all ready. We're ready. No we are then. Let's do it. Let's go to the movies ladies through welcome to leave the Sandra and Kristen Goto the movies a new podcast where three movie geeks that would be taught to award winning directors actors screenwriters costume designers and more about their worth we also dish on their favorite movies movie moments and share our own face to I'm Lisa France and I'm a senior writer for C._N._N.. In entertainment you might know me as the person who wrote that article about Keanu Reeves. Yes that article if you don't know just Google it and I'm Sandra Gonzales. I'm also senior reporter for C._N._N.. Covering T._v. and Phil and on on Preston minds are formerly of the movie podcast and currently co-host on the podcast by the book. I'm also the author of so you want to start a podcast which hit stores and August this is the official podcast of C._N._N.'s new TV TV series the movies which you can watch Sundays at nine PM Eastern and Pacific. I've seen the series and it's amazing so bad so after you're done listening to our podcast you should definitely check that out now. We've got a great interview with Academy Award Winning Costume Designer Ruth Carter Carter coming up the before we get to that we're GONNA play a little game called my five movies so here's how goes Magin you're stranded on a desert island or you're stuck in that twilight zone episode where the apocalypse has happened and you're the sole survivor. You obviously have a T._v.. In this scenario you're going to have to choose five movies that you can watch for the rest of your life. Only five and we're GONNA ask which five do choose Lisa. You're my first victim. No no pressure but we're GONNA GONNA try so Lisa. Tell me what are your five movies. Oh hot seat hotseat. My five movies are Goodfellas so good for Godfather. Eat Drink man woman woman love Jones and Easter beaten. I'm supposed to get theme here. Yes so but tell me what you think. The theme is okay so this is confusing because the first two movies clearly say you're into mob movie in your <music>. I'm a mobster who's into Mahmoud Cliche. The second movie says that you love international films and Indie Films and higher in food love food scene in Goodfellas like I've always wanted to garlic with a razor. Yes it's not easy looks number. Four Love Jones was number four love Jones. That's just a great romantic. I mean but not sending the connection to Goodfellas not at all. No Okay you've gone number. Five number five was beaten. Oh James Dean James Dean. Love me some James Dean yes but that's the only thing I can really think of as and James Dean doesn't remind me of any of the other movies yeah so all the films <music> are about passion relationships family yeah complications yes and they all involve food and some type of way. Oh they all have a little bit of food sexiness. I love a good food sexy seen oh in east of eating food food that you're thinking of well. I think James Dean is a snack yummy delicious that is so good and it's tricky because I would never have setup I but they are all food and he'd be low calorie like a not tall Guy James e yeah he was telling my is telling we should all three of us are five three are take exactly James Dean was boss. Though I mean he just felt big on screen he just felt like way for a giant. Oh one of his movies people food and final phone yes. Oh I'm so glad I love this game and Sandra. I cannot wait to hear your five. I'm dying to here. I know we're all dying to here and I can't wait to tell you what mine are and hey we want you guys is listening out there to play along so tell us if you could watch only the same five movies for the rest of your life. What would they be go on twitter and use the Hashtag my five movies? That's my the number five movies movies and take us at C._N._N.. PODCASTS so we can see what you chose all right now onto the main event. Let's bring on our superstar. Gas Bruce Carter's an academy award winning costume designer. She has been in the movie industry for over three decades and worked on over forty films including do the right thing Lee Daniels the Butler Selma and how Stella got a groove back to name just a few in twenty nine thousand nine ruth made history when she became the first African American woman to winning Oscar for best costume design that award was of course for her work on the blockbuster mega hit Black Panther Ruth is currently on the set of our latest project coming to America too and it was recently announced that in twenty twenty she will be receiving much deserve star on Hollywood's walk of Fame Ruth Carter. Were so thrilled to have you on a podcast welcome. Thank you. Thank you honor to to be here. I think we have to start by talking about Black Panther. It was such a groundbreaking film in so many ways and one of those ways of course was the costuming. Can you tell us a bit about your process. As a costume designer and specifically the integral role you played in helping to bring the Director Ryan Kugler dealers vision of conduct of life well first of all. There's a connection that you have with the director <hes> sometimes it's unspoken. It's an understanding of <hes> African American history in this case Jason The African Diaspora <hes> I felt that during my interview had a connection to Ryan's aesthetic <hes> conversation was easy. It was informative. It was joyful and I I think that in terms of process is an important step that you connect to a person's spirit and their artistry <hes> and from there you are given a script and you meet other people like Hannah burglar and you start sharing. He share information. You're seeking information. It's a little scary in the beginning because it's it's it's an empty canvas and you really want to connect act and pay you know this beautiful tapestry or <hes> and so we share information she tells me where she's at <hes> within the process because they start developing the story especially something like Black Panther very early on <hes> and so I have a lot of catching up to do <hes> and so very anxious about the catching up and so I'm listening allot <hes> observing a lot and I'm thinking about what I <hes> feel that I can bring to what there are already beginning to develop <hes> they they <hes> produced a CA- manuscript of <hes>. We'll Kanda <hes> the different tribes different districts what it looked like and so I take that and I study it. I share it with my crew all study it and then we start <hes> chipping away at the beauty and <hes> you know most of this was led by <hes> our affinity for <hes> telling the story of Africa in its multidimensional way you know it's not this big monolithic place. It's you know all of the tribes and exploring them and bringing that beauty and artistry to life you know Ruth Truth. I love that you mentioned not depicting Africa as a monolith and I think something else you did so expertly is not depict women as a monolith. They are not just sex symbols. They are not just there to at and I think that personally speaking and I've seen a lot of superhero movies. I don't think I've ever seen women superheroes who are so phenomenally well rounded. How did you make sure that that came through in their costumes? Well <hes> part of the understanding that I just spoke about is <hes> being <hes> <hes> apart of something different being <hes> <hes> in interested in changing the view of what people <music> expect into a more powerful and positive way and honestly <hes> that opinion or that motive thinking was led by Ryan Kugler who <hes> said to me we want I want them to be taken seriously. We want the women to lead. We want women to be powerful and beautiful at the same time <hes> and it was really wonderful to hear that come from you know the. The top of our <hes> chain there because you know that's what everything else springs from and you you proceed to craft <hes> the costume in the most powerful the most beautiful way <hes> <hes> there is a lot of involvement <hes> especially with the door Malaysia costume. <hes> marvel is very hands on. I've said they're like the C._I._A.. You have to really you have to really be <hes> knowledgeable Shapur about <hes> the way that they like to operate and win you folder your artistry into that. It actually does work so <hes> the sharing the collaboration the different artists that are involved in in <hes> how the costume looks <hes> in some ways <hes> does help <hes> you know. I don't WanNa be a working on something all by myself. You know I really feel like it's everyone has a stake in <hes> evaluation nation or just contributing to <hes> what we're trying to accomplish with the with regards to that I went off on a tangent there. We love your tangents better than someone else's remarks so please eighteen okay okay. I heard you also use three d printing in the costuming as well can you can you talk about how like how you used that art form. Yes <hes> you know there was a lot of <hes> thought thought about the Queen <hes> one of <hes> one of my opinions was that if she was to wear Crown Kanda and a <hes> you know she would have the best craftsman <hes> available that would create her things. It's afford thinking <hes> nation its highest in technology leading in technology so if she were to wear a crown yes it it could be handmade by you know craftsman but it also could be three d printed and be perfect so I I thought you know she was going to wear the cylindrical shape. The Issue Colo has the this you know shape that can be perfect and I thought that the only way to make that shape perfect would be to three D sprinted to develop it on the computer <hes> which we did and <hes> printed in Belgium and <hes> six months later took about that long we had her crown and her shoulder mantle all three the printed wow but it makes me curious though when you see these costs it must be a trip to see any costume that you make worn Halloween by people who just loved Lum's also get annoyed at like Oh. The crown does not look like that <music> on <hes> I it's kind of like a celebration. You know <hes> so Ainhoa people needed to connect in when they connect. It feels like an accomplishment. You know it feels good. I bet while you're working on Black Panther did you at all have any idea that it was going to be such a cultural phenomenon. I'm like Sandra just talked about everyone was wearing the costumes even to see the movie. Originally they hadn't even seen the film yet and they were already trying to copy your work. Did you know it was going be such a big film Oh. I don't think you can predict that if we could. That would be amazing Siamese. You can't predict that and you don't even want to have that kind of thing in your mind <hes> because I think it's a distraction too. You know what you're trying to his a lot of decisions. You have to make you have to be focused uber focused but you can't imagine <hes> being on a set like that and not thinking that you doing something special. <hes> we had a photo oh session with the Royal Family I call it the Royal Family the royal will conduct family so we have like Panther and remote Queen Raimonda insuree and the door <hes> ah Koy aid or Malaysia you know in the Kea Michael Michael Jordan as <hes> kill monger and Zuri all of them the royal family and <hes> that's when it dawned on me when I saw them all standing there together to take a photo or one of our sets I was recycle. Wow I was jumping up and down inside thinking this is wonderful. I follow you on Instagram. Actually a stock you on instagram. Let me be correct and I know I know that you're active on social media. Have you ever seen someone to replicate a costume and you just had to. Maybe you know say something or give them a little like I get him. I give them a thumbs up at Halloween. I see them baps girls at Halloween gene and I'm like yeah go get you you get your baps on a lot of artists talk about studying the craft of those who have come before them. Are there costume designers who've inspired you and your work. Yes <hes> I feel I of I learn color Palette from an Roth because I studied her films like places of the heart to Danny Glover insists basic and I really love those costumes so much I began to just look at all of her poems and I noticed you know how she handled color within the composition of the film and <hes> so she was a big inspiration for me <hes> as a costume some designer and a storyteller your mentors come from the most unlikely places they don't necessarily all come from other costume designers <hes> so spike Lee I would say you know gave me the bravery <hes> to create and <hes> you know it was very supportive for longtime fourteen films so <hes> my mentors are you know all shapes and sizes spike Lee just his aesthetic nick is so completely him yes it is yes and when you see a smelly movie you know and you know it is and he makes bold choices with color. I mean with the exception of she's got a habit which is black and white but he makes such bold choices and you know sometimes those can be risky when you look at the risks that other costume designers make. Do you ever think Oh gosh. That's just crazy but it's crazy enough to work. <hes> I see risks. It's not easy to take Chris <hes> as a costume designer because it's not just you that makes a lot of decisions. You have a studio. You have a director. You have a lot of people who <hes> you know it's not. It's a big money game. I guess when you have twenty million dollars seventy million dollars you know to create a piece of work. You know not always taking risks but there are some amazing risks out there which I think was collective <hes> decision. Maybe <hes> Mary Queen of Scott's. They used a lot of Denham to make all of those. <hes> beautiful pieces and denim is like a sturdy fabric. It's di -able. It's it's shapes well so it was a smart choice so you know risks. Are you know are not easy to to do you know a crafting your your voice like spike. Lee Does is not as easy as it may seem can ask you about your personal aesthetic. Like what do you like to wear. Oh my God I anti fashion. You have to ask you ambrose. I love everything she wears. She's loved mazing in her style. I'm I'm your everyday girl. I like to wear t shirts shirts and Yoga Pants and blazers and a little bit of a twist with a little African or a little Asian or little whatever I'm feeling <hes> I'm pretty simple in that way. I like to be comfortable a half to be comfortable. You know I'm up at four in the morning out by five thirty so I WANNA feel like I'm still in bed so my clothes have to be cozy. was there ever a movie that influenced your personal sense of style or even just need. You aware that costume costume design was a thing like when you were young like a young girl or or growing up well not specifically because I didn't decide to be a costume designer till I was junior in college. I wanted to work with Special Ed. I wanted wanted to be an artist. I was drawing so <hes> you know I could have been influenced later like by Annie. Hall I remember having a big men's hat that I would wear plaid dress and boots and and I felt that people were saying you very any Hav and I saw the film and I was like yeah. That's me doing it. I was actually very ruth card exactly yeah in college. I think yeah it before me. I was influenced by her. You know and what meet you shift though from wanting to do art to wanting to make clothes I kept thinking as a special ed major that I wanted to work with theater for the deaf and do you know mind pantomime I was I was amazed at sign language. I thought it was just amazing how they could talk with their hands and there is was so expressive <hes> but it was leading me yeah that was pushing me back into theater and I you know dabbled in it in high school. You know as all kids. Do you know. High School plays in summer school programs so it was a something I wasn't unfamiliar with and. And I would hang out with you know other theaters students <hes> because I'd audition <hes> as a special ed major and then I just decided my junior year that I would change to <hes> speech in drama it was called at Hampton University. It was Hampton Institute then and yeah I switched and never looked back all right well as much as we're having. We need to take a quick break more conversation with Ruth Carter after this remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash C._N._N.. Welcome back. We're still talking to the legendary Ruth Carter Ruth. We were talking earlier about Spike Leeann. You've worked on over tin of his film so far in your career. We like to talk about I on this podcast so could you tell us about the first time you meant spike Lee <hes> yes <hes> robbery. <hes> went to college with me when to Hampton we're dorm arm mates and she knew of Spike <hes> this filmmaker New York who was doing his thing early eighties. I guess it was like eighty forty five and <hes> he was coming out to California <hes> and <hes> Robbie introduced us <hes> visas before she's gotTa have it had gone to con- Film Festival and he <hes> came to see a night for dancing. <hes> this <hes> dance performance that was happening being <hes> in a small dance studio in south central a on Adams Adams and La Brea and it was very popular <hes> I was a costume designer. <hes> and you know I was like the Hooker Crook Kinda Kosta designer I was working at the Elliott Elliott Theatre Center in Los Angeles <hes> in the costume shop so I had access to their stock and <hes> this was a big performance to the music music of Stevie wonder and so all those great songs all that great storytelling <hes> so I would you know bag and borrow <hes> to get that that <hes> production up with ODA sallied who was is the choreographer spike came to see it and <hes> afterwards we all Kinda hung out you know we were young. We were young filmmakers with a dream and <hes> I remember he was talking to me about getting more film experience. Because I was coming out of theater I was mostly focused on that and he said go to U._S._C. or U._C._l._A.. And sign up in the <hes> film department to volunteer to work on someone senior thesis project and <hes> he said you'll see you know how that works. You'll be working with all the same equipment as a big movies and <hes> you. You'll see what that medium is likes. You should try it and so I did. I went over to U._S._C. signed up and on Saturdays. I was on a film set hearing you know quite on the set for the first time it was small small production small independent production. I just remember looking around bound in sort of taking it in and thinking wow you know I just come from opera and theatre where we were doing. You know big <hes> productions the English cad Shakespeare Moliere. I was a costume designer on at Hampton for my last two years. That's all I did and so I felt like this was a medium I could actually tackle <hes> and so that's how we met. He says all the stories here about Spike Lee payments. It was such like a natural mentor. I love that <hes> I like. He really cared about it. Yeah uh-huh so many of his films have also become so so classic obviously but I was wondering what do you think are some of the things that make a movie classic well. Let's see some of the great classics <hes> Well <hes>. There's an aesthetic. There's definitely a direction in art direction. That includes <music> sets costumes acting <hes>. There's a good story. <hes> I feel like there's a bit of authenticity to <hes> the look. Whether it's you know high high art or you know crazy comedy Hamady. There's an authenticity to it. <hes> people enjoy it and <hes> maybe that's what makes up the classic and maybe there's also that that element that none of us no and a classic is made <hes> yeah that's u-b-e-r now. Is there a movie that you think deserves to be a classic but isn't seen that way and it doesn't have to be a movie you've worked on Ruth but something you think really deserves more iconic attention Asian well. There are some great classics poison the hood to the right thing. There's some great classics that you know I'm like routing <hes> because they are <hes> and maybe I don't know do we consider lady sings. The Blues lose a classic should be if it's not up so yeah that would be one Diana Ross with Billy Dee Williams yeah but I have to go back for a second boys in the hood. I think we understand I am that as a classic now but we may not have ten years ago right right. Yeah it's come into it was made no same went through the writing. It's risen. They're definitely risen to that. Satis well-deserved interesting that we should bring that film up. We should be talking about that because you worked on a a number of movies that chronicle the lives and experiences of African Americans so even with the success of movies like how Stella got a grew back and Michael Maksim Black Panther. There's still a lot of underrepresentation of people of Color on screen. I'm curious. What was the first time that you yes talk a little bit? I'm curious. What was the first time that you can remember watching a movie and feeling like you were seeing someone on screen who looked like you and reminded you of yourself? <hes> and I think that looked like you and reminding dining. You'll yourself. Is You know a broader term. It's not like <hes> it's one to one like Oh. She has my hair color. My Co Armagh skin color. It's more of that journey that a film takes you on that represents who you are so I I would say that my earliest memory would be something like Claudine. I remember watching Claudine and you know just the the fun story that it was a single parent with the kids and the romance with James Earle Jones was just one of those feel good feel good films that you felt like you knew that you knew that world dying Carol Right Dying Carol Yes yes I mean classic Corn Bread early me another one and great film and maybe like you know you know those seventies exploitation films. You know I feel like we I enjoyed a lot of them. You know like Foxy Brown and for those of our listeners who don't know what cornbread Earl in me is about you tells a little bit about it. ooh You're gonNA make me like go back. We want you to go d._V._D.. Kid I couldn't really recount it. I really couldn't but I just know I I remember seeing it and loving it and relating to it you know. Do you have an issue with this term. When people talk about blaxploitation films does that bother you at all because I have a tendency odyssey was to say it's exploitation exploitation like who you just think of it as part of the right yeah but it is what it is? It's aggressive. It's aggressive <music> yeah and that's what it was. I think it was at that you know other people are benefitting off of our stories and you know we're only now getting to the point where we're from our own stories and the way that we should so important yeah all right. We're GONNA switch gears now ruth and take a moment to just geek out about movies a little bit so let's start with some of your favorite movies and movie moments. A lot of movie lovers have a goto movie when they're sick or laid up up on the couch or they need cheering up. It's like the foam equivalent of chicken soup. It's not always a good movie. Sometimes it's an embarrassingly bad time usually. Do you have a movie that you turn to in times of need like that. <hes> <hes> I like the uplifting feeling that color purple gives me. I can see that shook every song when she's marching to the church. Maybe God is trying to Daddy. Yes I skip around the house to that. One apathy makes me nothing but cried and I I love. How every doesn't that make you feel good it? It is every black I know. WHO GETS MARRIED POST THAT PICTURE ON INSTAGRAM and says is married now? I don't make me cackle. I promise you that's a thing every time I read that. I'm like Oh. I have no idea you were that came from. Now feels good to say it. I don't trust black people who haven't seen the color. Just put that out there. If you haven't seen the lion king if you've never seen the lion king to those people exist right who was that do you address anyone like that no one and if you did you would tell us their name. Give us their address. Save Person Security Number uh-huh. What's your favorite romantic couples from a movie romantic couples from a movie would be <hes>? There's some good romantic couples. Wow Wow wow wow <hes> I like what has to be a movie right so I can't say Sterling K. Brown in us. I can't will allow it as an honorable mention. Okay Good <hes> I'm GonNa I was thinking Love Jones but that's just me I was thinking love need someone yeah yeah and <hes> was his name. I'm seeing his thank you. Oh my Gosh I. I just interviewed him a couple months ago. I'm so oh sorry Lawrence Taylor. I forgot your name because that's all fine. He's ever GonNa give you because you're so fine sorry when they're that good-looking remember their names Lisa no no. I was just seeing his face but you hemming near net movie. They were magical sparkled. Oh you know what I just thought of a good romantic one. <hes> Furet dens that Mississippi Marsala Oh that good romantic couple good story yes a black man in the Indian woman. I and it was deputy at the time I remember made such waves because so many people hey yes. He's like that no. They never like that would never happen. I had an Indian front enzyme. You said Yeah that was not at all realistic and I thought well it will be after that movie. The heat generated all types of women looking for them Denzel exactly before we let you go as much as we hate to let you go. Please come live with us. We have one final question for you for this series. We're asking each of our guests a question. We're calling my five movies so here we go <hes> if you could watch only the same five movies for the rest of your life. which five movies would you choose? ooh Okay <hes> it would be <hes> Black Panther <hes> it would be <hes> a romantic film like <hes> who that's a hard question way eighty five movies that I have to see once upon a time in America. I love that Robert that'd be great. <hes> color purple makes me feel good so I put that on my list <hes> MHM <hes> <hes> terms of endearment as fun. No yeah yeah breaking. We Love Story Love Story Love Story 'cause I would want to sit down everyone at times you sometimes you want to sit down on and with a box of tissues. You know you don't WanNa think about things that are going wrong. You WanNa think about other things that would make you cry like beautiful of. I love all these all. These kids start at cries that are in your top five list. I'm here for <music>. I'm all about that list curated a little bit this question this question. That's GonNa come back and haunt you at like one o'clock in the morning. Struggle should've said this to Ruth Carter. You're a trailblazer an inspiration to so many women both in Hollywood and beyond specially to me. Thank you so much for joining us today. It was a pleasure having you on our podcasts. Thanks for having me you have had fun. Thanks everyone we're gonNA take a quick break but don't worry there's more from US coming right up. The right sheets can take your sleep and your style to the next level with Bollandbranch. The upgrade has never been more affordable. Every set is crafted from one one hundred percents organic cotton they get softer and softer over time that's why they have thousands of five star reviews and even three U._S.. Presidents Have Boll and branch sheets. Try Them for thirty nights and if you don't love them send them back for a full refund go to Bollandbranch L.. ANDBRANCH DOT com today for fifty dollars off your first set of sheets plus free shipping with Promo Code C._N._N.. To Spelled B. O. L. L. Andbranch DOT COM. That's Bollandbranch Dot Com Promo Code C._N._N.. Too it I was watching an episode of C._N._N.'s new series the movies and they mentioned the John Hughes Teen Movies of the nineteen eighties and I want to take a few the nets to share how my relationship with those movies has changed over the years. Let's start this off by talking about John. Hughes Movie The Breakfast Club. I remember vividly the first time I saw my parents rented the movie for me and my older siblings to watch on a New Year's Eve in the mid eighties in the movie are five characters most of whom would never talk to each other in the hallways of their posh. Suburban school are forced to spend an entire Saturday together in detention along the way we see alliances form breakdown. We watched the teens get up to no good we hear confessions of abuse and neglect the kids suffered through at home and we hear the justifications the kids at the top make for ignoring the kids at the bottom and that New Year's Eve I stayed up all night and Rewatch the breakfast club a total of three times. The breakfast club seemed to me like the most important movie I'd ever seen. It was a movie that took teen life seriously really from the politics of popularity to the loneliness of not fitting in and the secrets that took place in our homes and I wasn't alone the movie was widely celebrated by critics and adored by generation of young people and it wasn't the only John Hughes teen movie to achieve such success there was Ferris Bueller. Stay off pretty in pink weird science some kind of wonderful and sixteen candles in less than five years he was wrote and or directed half half a dozen teen films that made young people feel truly scene and I devoured them all but admittedly watching his films. I sometimes experienced moments of deep discomfort. I didn't talk about these moments. At the time I didn't know how in my mostly white world for example to vocalise how much it hurt to watch long duct on an Asian exchange student character in sixteen candles who is nothing more than a clown might caricature of my identity entity and I didn't know how to explain why bothered me so much that other than long ducting John Hughes chose never to let any other people of color have speaking roles in his films whether he meant to or not hugh seemed to be sending the message that while he cared about the complex internal wives of teens he really only saw white kids as real people looking closer at John Hughes Films Today through my adult is I feel bad for my younger self and for all the other a young people who adored his movies if his were truly the best in teen cinema what else where we watching that was worse. Fortunately teen films have come a long way okay and the decade since John Hughes their films that center on poor gay black kids like moonlight and films that have multicultural groups of friends and yes there are even movies that put Asian people at the center giving them rich internal lives like back to all the boys I love before all of these films in some way have John Huston. Thank for paving the way more than any other filmmaker before him he depicted a world in which teens concerns were validated but again he was very selective about who's concerns mattered and who's didn't and I'm so grateful to live in a world where that slowly beginning to change and we're hopefully the long ducks tongues are becoming a thing of the past and that's the ramp up as they say if you're like us and can't get enough movies in your life checkout. C._N._N.'s new TV series the movies airing Sunday nights at nine pm Eastern and Pacific on C._N._N.. And on C._N._N.. Dot Com slash go from executive producers Tom. Tom Hanks Gary gets men and markers off the movies is a fascinating exploration of movies throughout the decades and it shows the cultural societal and political shifts that frame the evolution of American cinema. You can also visit C._N._N.. Dot Com slash the movies for more look. If you like this episode head over to apple podcasts stitcher Google podcast or your favorite podcast out and subscribe and of course leave us a five star reading in a comment while you're there. This episode was produced by M Eastern Elizabeth.

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LG QUICKIE: Morning Routines

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LG QUICKIE: Morning Routines

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You know there's like big and tall stores but there was like a lean and tall on Amazon. It was made for Chris. nightside's People Oh for Craft Eh. You're not that tall. I'm like I'm taller than you. And I'm pretty normal sized. No I found this like extra liens tall robe and I was like you know. This will be great for Chris Because Chris is a creature of habit and he refuses to update his chill clothes wardrobe. nope he's had the same pair of scrub pants from like USC. Since I've known him and that's like his like chill pan. Yeah like he never an. I'll buy him a new sweatpants on and he won't get into it and I was like you know what he needs is a big skinny robe so I got him the robe and he wears it all the time and he's looking so comfortable an amazing and and then he went out of town and I was cold so just threw it on them. Holy is that what you're wearing jogging tall. I'm our in. The bigger tile. A beautiful achieve Amazon was like a faux fleece satin falsely strobe life changing so I got one for home for me and then I got one for the office. And when I'm in-between outfits can just put my robot but it's been too hot to wear this particular road content minute and fifty nine so I I do have one last rope thoughts the best purchase that I've ever seen in my entire life entry my barefoot dreams Robe I wear a yes it is. It's a housecoat. It's called a robe on the website. It's a house co whatever my Beard Dreams House Co.. I look like a wizard she. That's what it is. You dealer wizard. I wear out. My mom is like I can't believe you're going outside with his this coat. Or whatever like Mrs. I feel like this is rope like with a belt it could be fashioned. It's not it's not that fast. Airfreight Dreams makes the most legit cozy stuff like. That's sponsor us. I want them to so I keep asking everyone. I know to get me a rope from them and no one has gotten it for me yet. 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I could prompt you if you want are you. Do you send alarm and get up when the alarm rings. No I leave my phone unless it's like a very very very early thing like a call time that's like six. Am and I have to be up at five If if whatever I have to do I don't have to leave the house before nine. I they actually leave my cell phone in the bathroom charged And I wake up when I my eyes open. But we don't shut arc blinds I don't neither oh I automatically up by like sevenish. That's how I am I even if I was like Beca you have to be at late at nine am I wouldn't set an alarm. I would no no. I can't sleep past not setting an alarm a do you have this acadian rhythm. Yeah that's what happens when you leave your blinds open because I I can't sleep at blackout curtains. I have to wake up with the sun. So such a Hippie just to wake up with the sun feel the sun on my face yes in the morning morning alarm. Not unless I have to wake up early because I don't sleep usually past seven because I wake up with this is I mean if it's something that's like more important than being at the lady and I might set an alarm in my bathroom like I'll be like if I happen to sleep. Pass like eight would-be shocking. Yeah I'll still be woken up by the alarm going off in my bathroom eventually. Yeah got it okay but yeah I'm not into sleeping with my phone next to my bed. No it's not not my jam. Cool brains thank you. I Have Blackout curtains and I have them on an APP so I can lay in bed and then before I go to sleep. I rolled them down on the APP. And your so rich. I know it was one of the things Chris Chris wanted on it in the morning. I can even set the time if I wanted them to wake me up at eight. Am I could have. Oh cool up. But I don't have that but I now can't sleep without a black curtain. I love it so so much and I set only one alarm instant wakeup like. I'm not a snooze or not like our news snooze for ten minutes thing can't handle handle I hate waking up before my body wants to okay Nammura. Do you a dress. I be butchered heath. I O I I brush my teeth for I think no matter what brush meant to you before peeing before anything really heat morning breath more than anything like journalists like I'm like no kisses. No nothing no touching until I brush my teeth. If I'm alone which I usually am Kazak leaves for work at like five thirty in the morning. If I'm alone I pop what my invisible line out to take out and then I actually will do coffee. I really coffee I I really. I don't like the taste of coffee after toothpaste because then I'm GonNa have to brush my teeth again after the coffee. I'd rather just get up. Drink my coffee I I usually. If I don't have to be anywhere I'll get back in bed for like fifteen minutes. I'll get my phone at that point in all my coffee in the bed and I'll answer emails text from Kelty if I'm feeling. Yeah if I'm feeling really lucky and really luxurious. I'll put on housewives like sit there. Oh Wow sometimes. I'm really big fan of of a morning TV heels luxuriance see I think it makes me feel uncomfortable. It makes me feel like what a way to set up the day. I love bit because that's like my ultimate unwind like but why did you unwind. You just unwind for ten hours while you're rose from the dead sometimes about to jump into a crazy crazy day morning meditation memorial meditation than than I might go like do yoga or am I go for a run or I might work out on the balcony. Sometimes I like to get taught done and then I shower. I'm really very leisurely lately. It's nice not having to wake up for anything okay unemployed. I'm actually what I'm doing thing is. I'm doing this every single person I know with a child or a baby there like before. Enjoy you think you're close to having a baby can live it up bitch. Yeah slightly. Played is sleep latest. Stay in your pajamas all day. Organiz your bathroom all day. Like don't feel guilty so up until until about a year ago I used to feel really guilty if I had a day that was not productive. I've really been embracing it. Yep You know miss the free time. I'm yeah I mean maybe by the bullet and actually have maybe or I could do this for a decade. Hey ooh has morning. I have perfected. The eight minute wake-up so from alarm I go next to closet. Bring the phone with me to the closets that are have to make one trip back to the bedroom to my bedside table to pick up the phone on the way out. Phone comes with me to the closet address. I have you showered. Have you rush shower at night. Oh I have made it to the bathroom it. I go dress first leggings shirts sweatshirt. Usually 'cause I might get real dressed at work and I have my purse anything you need to take to work and everything already loaded the night before I also have. My clothes laid out the night before. So if I'm wearing leggings sweatshirt it's already prepaid I don't even need to walk to the end of the closet and get them out. Like I know exactly what I'm GONNA wear. The shoe is ready everything. Every the purse is packed. The only only thing is sometimes I'll leave a note for myself dancers. Bring the creamer or bring your lunch like on the counter. 'cause I can't prepacked that you know so then I'm dressed then I go then. I go to the bathroom aathroom. That's when I do my skin care routine floss. Brush teeth morning medicine philosophy in the morning morning and night. You got to awesome actor meals what happens at night. You floss before you go to bed loss after meals. What yes no? I lost morning and night when I brush my teeth piece. That's what that's so weird. What are you reading while you're sleeping it's just plaque? No it's not. I'm pretty sure I mean there might be some dentists out there that would say otherwise otherwise. But I'm now an expert on when you need to floss because these teeth the liners are the pain of my existence and they say only after. I've eaten something. 'cause that's food food in your teeth or take that out my seven-minute routine Hala then I do all that stuff in case of future. It's just skin food on my face. Deodorant teeth brush teeth brush dry shampoo. And I'm out but then there's more stuff's going somewhere fancy and then I go downstairs. I grab the coffee. I'm in the car. Eight minutes it takes twelve minutes to get to work. I can get up at seven thirty. Be At work ready to go by eight. Lucky you go. What if there's an accident on your way the text I'm going to be late? There's an accident so my fault. You know I'm Jack Kelly. Do you not take do her stuff in the morning. She eats while lime packing a gathering in the coffee. I feed her wouldn't wouldn't is she poop she lending. I can't having after noon poops. That's why you need to give yourself more time see. This is what I need when I wake up. I wake up brush teeth no week up. keurigs make coffee. Wall coffees making taking brush. Teeth or teeth. Or done. Coffee's ready then I have to sit in bed for a half an hour while I drink my coffee and let it percolate my body until I can take a morning. Do you do you for that half hour. I like answering emails on my computer but I can't move out of my bed until I pooped. Who turned off their podcast? Okay isn't that what. What products do you put on in the morning in the morning? This is what really people meant by more than eighteen. Like what's your morning meeting. Twenty seven minutes to. That's I don't think that's what they meant. What Skin Care you put on the morning? I'm going to wash my face wash my face in the morning should i. I used to not and I actually got broken out less less often when I did that. Oh I have to wash my have so much like sleep on my face a shower every morning though. Oh what about exercising sizing like you. Don't do it life. I actually wake up every morning. And I'm like damn it. I wish I didn't have to exercise because then I would get in the shower and like be right. You're my day. Yeah which you should also be looking better Jack because in my wildest dreams if I WANNA be the most productive person that I can be. It's like I wake up at like five. I work out. I get in the shower and I have time to like make myself produce scrub before going wherever I need to go so like I don't make myself look what I'm saying is as you should look better if you wake up and you immediately hit the shower. I feel like there's no excuse to not look great. I'm still lazy so I chill what I want in my life. I think this is what I envisioned when I have children. I'm going to be that person I'm GONNA wake up like Teddy Mellencamp before her house. She used to be fat she talks about it. Let's talk about it. She was very lazy. She said she told me and then she got into it. It would be so nice like get a workout done and like also tend to blow out your hair air and then still walk out the door by nine. I don't care that much to blow my hair obviously okay and Jack don't put on your face. We wash your face Wash my face I have some day. Serum I I use all my products from the girl that does that's my decision that does facials ice cream. PF Kula the shit. Yes that's good doesn't break you out and that's it what do you face. Actually recently transitioned Jackie. Schimmel told me about a serum. She loves it's first aid or Sephora and it's like CBD It's actually. I think it's actually like cannabis. Oh serum and it's amazing. Oh it's like restorative. Because I very do you put you do. You're like arms than legs at that point or would you lotion the morning or no. I actually am somebody that does not lotion my body every day. I only lotion my boss. Events events for special occasions feeling extra dry because I think that my body will start getting used to it and it'll be drier dependent on like chapstick. It feels so good to lotion your body every time after a dude. I'm like. Why do I not do this? I do lotion. And then we'll this is like night retain. This is different situation but and then dry brush. I gwyneth my body and I'm like I feel so invigorated and happy. I should do all the time can do tonight. Well it's time for the report back While we're talking about day routine I do. I do want to let everyone know that I recently had my face measured in so they say that you. There's I'm going to screw this up but allegedly piddly. There is a Roman historical thing that you're supposed to have a one point six one ratio of your face and Bella Hadid was was recently named the most beautiful person in the world because she has this ratio also has had surgeries. Kelly allegedly. She also has had. I mean anybody can have that ratio of your face around actually. No you can't because that's what my first question is and you can't move okay. These the ratio is your your forehead to your chin. You can move with a Chin implant. I can't minimizes stop yelling at me. I'm going to explain this all. It's GonNa make sense questions at the end. Thank you okay. So forehead to Chin is supposed to be the same as your the widest part of your face. So in that you're supposed to be around don't round yes supposed to be. Oh No it has to have a one point six. Oh one point six yes so it's like if it's not one to one now what's one to one is in between your eyebrows to forehead eyebrows to bottom of knows bottom of nose to Chin that's supposed to be for the maximum beauty one to one to one okay. Then there's no way my way too big minus two of my Chin is next is okay so the amount you're I is like How Wide Your is mine is four centimeters? It's supposed to be the same from eye-to-eye your Sh. You should be able to break your face your line into fifths one two two three four five two visual for a podcast just explaining my eyes and then Oh then your ears and your nose okay so your ears and your nose. Those are the only other one that's supposed to be one to one. So your nose should be the same length as your ears all right. So those are the measurements and I had my measurements done this morning and I'm happy to report that eighty four percent perfect which I thought was pretty high pretty good. Yeah the thing that threw me off was my forehead but tyra banks has a huge hidden is a supermodel. And that's where I keep my brains so I knew the core head but my big forehead was off and then my eyes I have four centimeter each. I is four centimeters but the space between is is only three so my eyes are very close together if they're a little more wide set. I'd be prettier interesting. What do you think I mean? Do you want to measure your face. How do you measure it? And what are they measuring it with like a ruler. Literally ruler. Joke it no they. They had a special machine but then it was so funny because she took the machines. She's like oh no and then she made people go get a ruler because my forehead was too big firm machine the way is not big it is big of like didn't they do the test with I thought cemetry was supposed to be the test of beauty. It's really but but this is symmetry no. It's not it's not the one point. Six symmetry like the is four and know what I'm saying. The cemetery is if you cut your face in in half then merit they would look the exact same dish size so I know that this is different. Oh I forgot the lip one which thank you Dr Diamond. My Lips were perfectly one point. Six percent of top verse. The bottom of the top is supposed to be. The bottom is supposed to be one point six percent fuller than the top prefer. You know. I'm so beautiful God for fillers. Thank God okay. That's it. Wow that's the end of the episode. 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I just go around telling everybody that that will Within earshot happy the house giving everybody I'm great we did this a year ago. We're doing a modified version of this year. Eight you know we we. Luca started out amazing Janas on pace for another. MVP sees and we have all the Lebron's playing great again and you just keep hearing the word. Well he's a top ten player. We use the top five guy and I just thought you know what let's put. Let's put all these names down and try to figure out who actually is a top ten player. Last year we try to do twenty five twenty five a little a little more complicated this year and probably a little less interesting to what's interesting to me is the top Tan made even the top fifteen but house. I sent the preliminary list which I'm sure you're looking at right now. Would Strike Open in front of me so with some caveats. We don't have Kevin Durant. We don't have steph curry. We don't have Victoria depot yet. We we do not have Klay Thompson. So we're four short and more notably too short in the top ten so we have that the other thing is we always get confused when we talk about best twenty-five guys right now best hang guys right now. Are we saying right now or or we saying the list we would make if we're trying to win a title who is on that list versus who is on the list just on lead pass us or or just dominant from night to night. What should we go with because my my take is? I think we should go with them from trying to win a title. Who are my top ten guys? I was going to go the other way. Okay I wanted to reward a handful of guys that I I'm in agreement on top six. I very easily came up with the top six in that top. Six apply fits both categories. Both who's playing great right now but also who would you wanna go to war with. If you're looking for a title and then I have another three or four guys Maybe not I mean they would all be very important guys on tidal teams but I want to reward them for the roles that they've been playing in pushing their teams forward in kind of an unexpected way. So that's the way that I organize. Organiz this ten this at at this November the twenty six two thousand nineteen juncture ray. But we're twenty percents of the season so I don't feel like this is premature you know. Oh they've done it two weeks ago. Maybe not but now I feel like I have a nice feel for the league. I've been able to watch everybody. I've been able to see the important people over and over again and I. I think we should do this. Let's go with right now and then right at the end will make another list of the top ten guys. We'd want if we're trying to win the title. Sure Okay Okay Gringo that way so I'm going right now. This moment I agree with the top six I would have jaanus the one spot out. James Harden Second Lebron Third Luca Danni for Kawai. Five Anthony Davis six. What do you think of that I? There's nothing to argue with. Like we could quibble. You WanNa swap Anthony Davis and Luca kawais missed. Five Games is already may be six out of the top six like you. We can split hairs. But what's the point. Those are the top six. They're the most impactful though the right now the the six best players in the league. So what's notable about that top sex first of all I think Janas has to be number one People Quibble with that because he has made a finals yet. He's still getting better as a player. I just feel like we're watching somebody who night. After after night is is having a better season than shacks best possible season ever which F. Wa was the case last year. He was having a season as good as any shack. Axes ever this year. It's actually better and he put up. We're taping this on a Tuesday. He put up a fifty fourteen and six last night. which you know if you're going against I duNno Charlotte or the wizards or something? It'd be like okay. Yeah that makes sense. He did this against Utah. And you know granted. Did you ties. Banged up but it's still. It's it's a contending team and they were playing really well and it was a really good game and he was just awesome and and I just think he's the most NATO nate dominant guy in the league. What are your thoughts on that? So last night's game was impressive to me. For this reason. Utah was without go bear so it wasn't just that they were banged up they were without their PA- you know arguably single most likely player choir to have an impact on you getting off. Yes the thing. That impressed me was the bucks. Were flat yet all lead most of this basketball game mm-hmm and this was a game. That jaanus singlehandedly. And you could see it happening as the fourth quarter got going he said I don't I don't WanNa let loose tonight. I don't WanNa let my team lost was tonight. And he asserted his will and got that fifty spot on him and he knew they needed every one of those points because Utah is good. LIKE THAT'S A. They're well coached there. Deep there. They have a lot of flexibility that can play a couple of different styles like the things that we imagined they could be when we were looking at the over unders At the beginning of the season you know everybody's bullish on Utah with good reason like they're they're they're demonstrating. There's good reason to be bullish on UTAH And and Janas was the best player on the court so he willed his team to win. It was a classic best guy on the court kind of game. You agree with that. And and he was missing George Hill. He he KORVER's already fallen out of favor. It seems like no Brogden. Obviously because they didn't bring him back. But if you if you just look at the box score like like the Villanova kid played thirty three minutes last night. West Matthews played thirteen minutes. I'll wes matthews. There's a the free indicates for him but basically crunch time they're going Lopez bledsoe Matthews Dante. That you crunch crunch time five. That's you take on out of that and that's like a twenty one team so I'm with you. I would. I liked about him last night and what I've liked about him. A few times is the season is he just has that air about him like. We're not losing. Tonight's argus way they get you d could do whatever they want. We're not losing. I still feel like he has a chance of getting better but I posted a thing yesterday. About how the highest PR ever radars Lucas Number One. He's in the thirty three range and Jonah was a shade under thirty. Two now is probably over thirty two because the last night's game but statistically he's been out of control I test ad control role and athletically just completely overpowering. He had he had. There is a player in the last two minutes yesterday when he kinda did like a Eurostat step in traffic and he missed it meant just dunked the rebound but it was it was like some nineteen ninety-four Shacks Shit. That he's doing he just seems like he's seven foot four now I know he's not but doesn't it feel that way watching him feels like he's seven foot four. I the thing that I was so impressed by last night with Jaanus US fifty points. Fourteen rebounds zero turnovers zero turnovers. And so we saw this stat. He's the fourth player since they started recording wording turnovers back in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight yet player to have fifty points fifty plus points ten plus rebounds and zero turnovers the the other guys Moses Malone Michael Jordan and I found this hard to believe Carmelo Anthony. Yeah well done now. Listen Carmelo's first. Ten years of his career unassailable. He gets shit on all the time. But that guy that guy's going to be a hall of Famer and he deserves to be and he was really good and I think a lot of people criticizing him were probably. That'd be people that you know were fifteen and under when he was really good in the two thousands so I think that's unfair. Yeah just like that Jaanus is up. Pr It's thirty. Three point four right right now. which is the highest of all time even higher than over Luca because that's what happens with pr no turnovers fifty points and no turnovers? That's PR likes likes that. Well here's the other thing. He this season is now averaging Eleven point six free throws a game. He had nineteen last night. So Oh he's fourteen rebounds a game he's eleven and a half free throws a game Two point nine stocks steals postbox combined but ah I still feel like there's room to grow because of the three pointers in and he's GonNa he'll probably end up couple years from now on the thirty six percent range. Maybe thirty seven. But from an overpowering the dunks he always leads the League dunks by a wide margin It's really just kind of like what shack would have been like if he came along thirty years later and And had the footwork. John Assasin was thinking more of a point guard and all that stuff so I think he's the clear number one and I gotta be honest. I I know there's going to be a Luca. MVP run from a narrative standpoint. I know hardens going to be involved. Because he's near you know high thirty something that Eh if Janas if the bucks are fifty seven to sixty two wins in that range again Janas has to be the. MVP doesn't he and and ONCE AGAIN MILWAUKEE LEADING THE ENTIRE NBA in differential right off averaging one hundred twenty points a game and giving up only any estimates over a one ten and a half when ten point six plus nine point three differential if they they sustain that all season last season. Yeah and that's really a sign of you know kicking ass being the teams you're supposed to they. They're second in overall. Win percentage only to the Lakers Either fourteen this is and I think it's I think it's a worst team the last year overall. I think he's better but I think the team is a little bit worse because the they're going to miss a brogdon thing. Yeah the Brogden thing and brought you. It's been really good So I haven't won. I think hard and has to be the number two. If you're talking right now just what. He's doing night tonight tonight is outrageous ages. And you know it's Funny Zach and I did the podcast for basketball about his career trying to figure out you know. Does he have another level. Go to when we were both like no way. We're going to go with the average thirty six gave Western. What other level is there? And somehow he's found a new level. He's shooting more free throws than ever. He's shooting more threes than ever seems to be more unstoppable than ever and an hour hitting point where teams are just double teaming him at at the end the Games. They don't have Air Gordon which is helping them but Teams are double team at the Games and just forced him to give up the while. They're like we're good with anybody else. We'll play four on three with the other four guys but you're not scoring and you can do that with the rules these days but the degrees that teams are going right now to prevent him from hurting them in the last two minutes is a tribute to how good this guy. Yeah I mean it's it's he just keeps on innovating eating leading he has. He's an all time historical pace right now in terms of getting to the free throw line. Nobody's gotten to the free even like will will being guarded by sixty-seven rush seven. Wake is so we're just fouling many times. They're the basket. It's Adam gase he's he's impaced issue. Twelve hundred free throws so pretty good I still don't like watching it that much and I and I don't think that makes me a hater. I think I can as somebody news love basketball so life. I think I have the right to decide what I enjoy and I would much rather watch Luca Donncha chew by the way has the ball almost as much as harden does. But I think would I you know one of the things I enjoy about. Luca's just how all his teammates just seem a little more involved and his decisions are a little more collaborative than the hardened decisions I know hard and I I know all his stats about you know him. Creating open threes all that stuff but man just watching do dribble at the half court line for twelve to thirteen seconds. I I just don't enjoy it. I don't no thoughts. Well I mean we've been talking about it for what feels like three or four years now. I'm really bored of the identity. They have they have to win a meaningful playoff series. Yeah to make make us all believers like until they can demonstrate. It's a winning brand of basketball ball. There are going to win fifty four fifty five or fifty eight games this regular season depending on health and their own ability to ward off boredom boredom. But they let you know we got to see it in the playoffs. They have to beat somebody good in the playoffs before are we can really validate this run. I mean that's my view and I understand. There's all kinds of variables that play but they have to beat somebody in the playoffs. Well Zach made the crucial crucial point on the book a basketball podcast. When he said it was he's on pace to become guard? Carl Malone James are and okay does the stats at Malone put up for fifteen sixteen years. Were just for a power forward. The consistency the durability and especially as the pace pace slowed down and he was so putting up you know twenty seven and eleven every night when there is like sixty five sixty six shot at temps were was was really stands out. If you're just like the numbers weren't actually there and I think hard and you're right the postseason he's going to have to do this in some form in the POSTSEASON I. We'll say watching the games. I do. Enjoy them a little more than last year. Because the Westbrook part of it. Because I think what Westbrook's brought to them is something that when when we were making the case about why we thought they were potentially going to be good in the over under podcast and I was saying I thought the most important thing he brought to the table for them was unpredictability in chaos and the ability to grab a rebound and just go coast to coast for a layup or the ability. You know you miss it three and he comes flying lying in over three guys and gets at just the athletics. The Athletic Holy Shit plays that he does. I think it's really helped this team. I think I think I think it makes them a little harder to figure out versus the monotony of the heart and offense now is he gonNA kill them at the end of the game when it really matters. There's yeah probably. It happened Friday right she. Friday night against Clippers yeah yes yes so they did you know it was. They had a really interesting response. The clippers are doing the doubling hearted thing and they would put Westbrook at the foul line. He dump it to Westbrook and then Westbrook WPRO quit either. Just go to the basket or he would you know. Try to pull people toward him in addition to Capella or hitter shooter and it was working and it was like. Oh man they they solve all of this. And then in the lash out of the game suddenly Westbrook's twenty five feet from the hoop it's a brick and then he gets mocked by Patrick Beverley after. I thought that was like about as personal as we've seen on a court in a while in West Berkshire screaming bitch at over again. They have all history dating back to beverly injured. Heard him in the In the playoffs a few years back but But that rockets clipper series in general. I think has a really really high upside. If that was a playoff f-series as the league could be a real problem for harder because they have all those defenders authority. But did you see the beverly thing i. I didn't see that I missed it. Beverly was on the sides. The game wasn't Ariana. The the clippers were shooting game winning free throws and beverly was mocking Westbrook's brick and how he shot it and he just kept shooting. It like almost I. You know the worst judy motion ever but it kind of looked west Berkey and he was a shooting over and over again laughing with the teammates and Westbrook was looked like he was going to run over and fight him and he just kept yelling bitch bitch out of it was heated. It was really good so hard and second in Lebron James Them three welcome back unbelievable. I went to that game opening night as a guy. He's the third best guy in the floor. This this is makes sense. This is his eighteenth year. This is just the stage occurs in. He is He's been reinvigorated as the point forward slash point guard. I hesitate eight. Come Point Guard because he's not guarding the other teams point point. No one else has been reinvigorated. Wet His hairline. The plugs are unbelievable. Possible he looks great. He looks five years Yoga Right. I think he's really really energized by playing with Davis. It's no surprise. Davis is also be in the top six list but E it's been so long since he played with somebody who has this consistently good right like he was with Kyrie Kyrie's ceiling was as good. But you know Kyrie's down opinion. The Week Kevin Love was never as good as Davis Davis on both ends. And there's an overpowering aspect to the Combo of them and I just think Lebron seems really energize he I never thought he liked last year's team And it never one hundred percents like he wanted to be there. That's your your professional basketball professional. He he quit on that team. At Christmas he hated that team. He did like what am I doing with all these kids. I I hate it here. He he got the coach fire. I mean of course he hated and and by the way we're talking about him being energize he should have a lot of energy. He got to take four months off five months off the first time. What fifteen eighteen years that? He actually had a break. It had been terrific for his mind body and spirit and and also Taco Tuesdays incredible talk. Oh ooh today tonight Taco Tuesday here come on your back all the way back. It's Steve Kerr. There has been pretty open about talking about how brutal it was to be in that Eight months hundred game season vortex for five straight years and how last year they were at the tail end of that cycle. And you know. There's a silver lining for that team. It's that they get to regroup mentally and physically disclaimer. Then kind of make another run at next season in. You think like Lebron did that for eight. Years is really consecutive finals finals. Ebadi you think back even before the finals like Oh nine he goes pretty deep against Orlando and then two thousand ten attend you know He. He's playing ninety game seasons the two years before too. You know so I think he does seem reinvigorated but asks. I think to Steve Steve Kerr Point. The break probably helped mentally. Because I do think that's to be in that hamster wheel just every year hundred games. What did you mean probably of course it did? But here's what does make sense human for a little while. Here's what doesn't make sense that he is as good as he's ever been in its year eighteen. That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. He's he's now approaching these game and minute totals career wise that really don't have any parallels anybody so it may be a modern technology science You know he puts more thought timing knows body probably than anybody who's played the sport before but it. It's still I I I WANNA see if he's playing this well in March. I guess it'd be my point because history says early in the season with old guys it looks great. You know I remember Larry Burden Eighty seven eight. His last grade season. He showed up remember. He lost twenty pounds. He was he had just like. Oh my God the legend Jindal he has another level to go and then he broke down because he had a lot of miles on them and he had some some ailments than US old. So we'll see if this is still going on in March but I've been really impressed by Lebron. It's been fun watching the Lakers. So I have for the best part is right now. I've Donald Jr Fourth Davis V in Kawai. Sex who I dropped only because of of the The injury thing but we should mention they play Boston and Houston back to back games at home Wednesday on Friday and quiet. Looks like he's about eighty percent. I went to the Boston game. I'd say his eight five percent Houston game. Same thing guests who made the blocks to end both games quiet Leonard. Now I know I know still the fourth quarter guy. I want him out there as much as anybody in the league right. He's even number one. Uh We had the great good fortune. I was with you at the beginning of November and we got to catch them at home against the trailblazers yet and and he had a quiet first three quarters and then it was time to go win that basketball game and I don't know if he's scored twenty but he scored sixteen or eighteen. took the game over made. Every bigshot shot forced his will on both ends of the ball court. I mean it was true. Og like Thai. Like Michael Jordan. kind of stuff. I know you gotta take a break but I mean Kawhi reminder tap two or three best guy in in the in the whole on the whole planet earth and could you. I don't WanNa yeah I don't WanNa get too crazy but I I would. I would love to see him in the finals again. That's that's as far as I'll go right now. We're GONNA take a break and then we're GonNa Hose Down House and we'll be right back. Hey you've been thinking about it your home security. There's no better time to get it. The right now simply safe home security giving our listeners. An amazing exclusive black Friday offer. You get twenty five percent off any new system plus a free. Hd Security camera everything you need to keep your home safe entry. Sensors motion sensors a smart lock. That locks your door and you forget if you use that. Yeah should I lost my family. Your family is kind of a smart lock. Necessity Carter family keypad. Your aunt. Who married to forgets things? 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Michael Jordan with from an offensive game standpoint where the athleticism isn't where he was a couple years ago but he can still summon it whenever he wants and he's developed this style of playing at the pace that he likes getting the shots that he wants to get but there's nothing frantic about it at all and over and over again. He goes to that right elbow just like MJ used to at the speed beat that he wants to get to MTA. Would use a little push off every once in a while or you know little shoulder. Fake or whatever Kawhi it's more like a herky-jerky thing where he's he's got a hitch in how he sets up a shot that just seems to throw off the defender every single time and over and over again he ends up with a wide open nineteen footer. He did again in the Houston the game on Friday night and it's become in my opinion the most reliable shot basketball when if it's the fourth quarter in the last four minutes and he has the ball and he's ice owed and he has the crater shop for himself. I feel like he can get that nineteen footer and make it. I trust that more than any any other shot in the league. Would he stand it where you stand on that the it. It's an arguable. He did it for an entire playoffs last year. He was the difference. Prince in series that they easily could have lost to Milwaukee easily could have lost to the sixers. He would not let it happen and it was those fourth quarter moments where they had to have a basket and sometimes it was a humongous. You can't believe it three but lots of times. It was him creating for a mid range shot as you're describing and the change of pace is reminiscent to me and I'm sorry to to go. You know sorted sorted deep dive in this way but like Brandon. Roy Remember Brandon Roy. I like it you agree with this. Yeah he he really could start and stop in way create space. It was a pace that was not. He wasn't going ninety miles an hour and then putting on the brakes going like seventy five and then kind of putting another breaks a bit and and all of a sudden he's rising up like where is everybody. Nobody's within three feet of him. Why have noticed? So He's twenty six eight and five live this year. Basically two steals. He's forty four percent. He's only thirty percent from three. He's getting the land seven times a game but the reason I mentioned the threes. I've noticed sometimes he doesn't have the legs right away. And if you if you watch this date they have so many good advance stats are love Tosi a stat of where shots hit on the rim because we can track front rim shots. 'cause there and Lebron same thing for him sometimes where he doesn't see. Mikey has legs all the time either but coli a lot of front rim for him and then his legs Kinda Come A. It's almost like he gets warmed armed up and his legs come but Is I man as he did he if he if he wins the clippers that will rank among along the greatest NBA to be the best guy in three title teams. That'd be really hard to be really hard when to pass. I don't think anyone's doing that on. Four four teams right. Be The number on guy. Four teams three is probably the Max and that's never happened Kasmin excited. It's why it's why I try to calm myself down as I. I really am psyched. The fast forward and see this clippers team in the playoffs. I'm Kinda. I'm Kinda ready for the playoffs to start now Luca. I had a week ago on this. Podcast we titled The podcast of full-fledged Luca Gezim I splurged all over Mark Stein for an hour talking. Talk about Luca I did so I shot my wad. I got nothing left But you did. You have not had a chance to have a Luca Gazza on the podcast. Anything you want to say. Well I I'm not gonNA have Luca Gezim because they've only beat three teams with winning records. But here's the thing that sounds like a knock. It's not a knock. They need to be doing what they're doing right now. The early a part of the regular season in the NBA is crucial for certain teams. who have to come out? and Try and change change their direction to establish themselves as as having a different identity and there are handful of teams that fit that description for the season. The Phoenix Suns fit that description. Shen the Minnesota Timberwolves fit that description. The Miami Heat fit that description. The Dallas Mavericks fit that description. I couldn't be more in love off with I mean Lucy plays like he's twenty eight years old. Yeah amount of his basketball. I Q I don't want to do a Can we look at his birth certificate thing but I'm I'm not I'm not against it. Yeah he just he plays like. He's so savvy. He's so smart he so fearless. He's clearly like learned aversion of basketball from competing at the highest levels in Europe that translated so perfectly here. He's he's I mean you know the stats are through the roof. The thing that we have to see you know there's two things with Dallas. He got tired last year. So what what. What lessons did you learn from the second half of last year and part of his thing? That's just incredible to me. Is His athleticism them. He does play a physical style of basketball. Yeah there's not. He's not avoiding contact. He's finding contact and he's he's finishing through that contact contact. It is unbelievable unbelievably bad ass. I WanNa see it through the whole season and the other thing is God. He's dragging this team along to. I'm a ask you probably know this already. Who Do you think is the third leading score on Dallas? Oh God Hardaway Junior. No it's Jj Berea so so what at like eleven eleven points or something. I'm not kidding. He's the third leading scorer. I'll be barely. He's only played two games. Now I'm I'm talking about Hardaway's the yeah but Hardaway's the third ladies core brace fourth braves play games. And he's he's averaging eleven and a half wits again. That's still hilarious. So yeah that's the point that I made it. I thought that's all I'm getting at the average point. Lucas averaging thirty ten and ten basically which seems I I actually so my question for you is deep. Are we entering some weird era. And it's not. It's not the steroids era like with baseball but when all of a sudden homerun run stats got super weird. We didn't know how to compare them to other areas. Is it just possible that that's where we are with this weird basketball or with threes and the pace piece that you almost can't like glueck averaging thirty ten ten. I'm not even sure what that means anymore. With the way basketball Buzz played now. Does it make sense. Yeah sure I mean it does feel like a again it's November of an NBA season. We're about twenty games in you. You Know Sixteen to Twenty Games in for all teams and the feels like a overs are hitting at an incredible rate. We've seen all these games in the one thirties. And the on twenty s every single night. That The Washington Wizards play the over under for them is like between two thirty. Three twenty eight to thirty three like the combined score tweet and lots of times a wizard hitting the over. Because they're just playing you know at this pace and it's across the league. The scores feel high. I I don't know If you measure it year over year whether or not this is just you know the horrific worry you know. We're twenty games in. It's a new season season. But it does feel like pace-wise and and efficiency wise that the the league's all-time ofensive peak committee. I'm crazy but it just feels that way jalen predicted that James Harden was going to have a ninety game ninety point game this season. It has very jealous prediction and I liked it because if you just think about you know. Kobe got the eighty one. The average thirty five game harden average thirty six game last year. Never really they had anything over. I think like sixty something like that. But fees averaging forty again this year odds are he's going to have a seventy five to eight point game at some point where the threes are just going in and same thing with Luke like we'll be watching Lee pass on. Luca's GonNa have like sixty eight points. It's going to happen with the WHOA. Yeah with the man at threes and the pay's he's just going to have one of those games and edge just hard for me to put all this this in context I I need to need to wrap my head around more reminds me when I wrote my book. The the early sixties sixty one sixty two season when world average fifty fifty a game and at one hundred point game and whole bunch of Weird Shit happen and a lot of it had to do with just the pace was completely out of whack and it led to all these outcomes and I'm I'm wondering if this air that we're in we might be thinking that to the last guy on the top six for both of us is Anthony Davis who I guess he's fifth on the best pours right now. Behind Co is behind him on. The court has been missing games but Davis. I guess the only thing I mean. He's he's booked exactly how we thought we'd look the only thing is I do worry about him physically. It seems like he's already a little banged up and Doubt it'd be my fear with that. What are your thoughts I mean he's he's Anthony Davis? He's a guy who had the benefit of taking off half a season last year another guy. I T. terrifically energized invigorated. By his situation they are extremely professional basketball team with mature the professional basketball players surrounded by them even with Devel- McGee on the team and You Know Anthony Davis is out there. Doing Anthony Davis stuff. I still the the thing that that I find. Gratifying is he still either leads. The League in blocks or he's he's in the top three in blocks and delivering on both ends in that way Still that's the place where I I we make this guy's name I Joel Embiid beat. I don't know where he is whether you have them in your top ten or not and we'll we'll get to this Eventually but the the fact that that in bead barely averages up a blockade the game is is just inexplicable to me. And that's the thing about Davis that I find so admirable so that's our top sex if we're going to say out of that top sex which just do right now. I need these guys to win. The title Co is I for me me. Who's second for you? 'cause I know Choas I for you as well. I think until somebody beats a plaster. He's still number one in that list. I don't care you can give the other player. You have to go through ally and beat him. And then I'll I'll rank you higher. The the next guy. That guy on the list is Lebron for me I I. I'm leaning the same way. 'cause came put any of these other guys over I can't even he's he's a he's a champion now. Here's for number three. I think I would put Jaanus over harden from China win the title. I think I have to take Jaanus I. I can't argue with it. I still can't unsee what Toronto Did him last year as they figured out over the course of the series that they would let him catch the ball at the free throw line and then funnel him down into the line and then cut them off at about eight feet seven feet and then he would find himself yourself a little bit lost I would really love to see like a replay of somebody with that kind of defense against him and see how he what he's capable double of in terms of innovation but I I'm with you He just is right now. It feels like to versatile but I it it's it's a close one for me. I think the difference didn't him at Harden. His heart isn't shooting well. It's hard for him to make up in other ways as especially on the Defensive End Yannis you can take him out a little bit offensively and he can still impact the game. Nineteen different ways so I'd have him head It's interesting for number four. If I knew I was getting healthy. Davis Healthy Davis. I think I would have healthy. Davis over Luca and over James Harden to okay. I I'm not gonNA argue with that. I mean we we. The sample size for Davis in the playoffs is so small. But but on the other hand he single handedly destroyed Portland so you know. He's got the inside outside game three. The reason I'm the reason I wanted to flag it and put it on there is. They've had a couple of games this year and they've played the most cream puff schedule of all time way to go out of sober you. You're able to create your Lakers super team by giving even them bunch marshmallows not to mention the Dallas game that the refs gave them the gift of all time. When steph curry got pulled away from the game thank three I sound like a bitter Celtics Fan. I'm just pointing out like I wanna see the Lakers play hard schedule. It is unbelievable. How many times can they play? Oklahoma City New Orleans With that said I've liked. How Davis has risen to the occasion in some of these fourth quarter slash? Last few minutes. where he it just seems like he has the perfect block at the right time? The rebound in traffic where I'm just excited to see him in a playoff series with a good team for once she now we've never seen it now remember seeing it. That's exactly right. We'll see how he does. And then the heart and Luca Hardens Bannon more playoff games. I still it would probably weird trust Luca for that. Is that row. That's rude. Luca's one euro league. Let's James hearted. Would we gotta yeah to see Luka get through eighty two regular okay fair Hooah playoffs. I mean it's not that that's disrespectful. The James Harden number seven on that list though. I can't believe I'm saying this in. This brings us to the next part of our list too but I think Siaka might be number seven. I am sitting right here on the playoff Adam bullet but we'll keep it to the top six I WANNA go through the rest of the top fifteen take one more break okay. So we're doing best players right now. Jaanus hard and James Dodge Davis coli. And then if you make best players for if I'm trying to win a title removes all the way up to number one or two get shipped the Laurent. Now we get to the next group of people and we're GONNA rip through this because we had talked about Thanksgiving the picks but It's a group of for right now. Yokich Paul George Pascal. Siaka Karl Anthony Towns Amazingly Damian Lillard Joel embiid and then after that you start getting into that Bradley Beal Donovan. Mitchell Devon Booker Group in and don't even mention Kyrie's name thanks Siaka the case for seven right now see the seventh best part in the League right now because I think he is he what he's done. So far in terms of improving all over his improving is nearly unprecedented and for sure. It's unprecedented that a guy can win. That a guy has ever won most improved player. It's never happened back to back right right Because it because it's kind of illogical but he is up. In in every statistical category he is exceeding his performance from last year. The point is through the roof. I mean he's he's a scoring machine now he's up again another two rebounds a game. He's up of full assistant game. I mean it's it's it's it's really unparalleled. Well you left out this part. She's so coy leaves and Basically bestows his coyness on Siaka in Seo comes the guy who goes twenty five eight four and helps carry them. In crunch time they played last night they beat the sixers and embiid was awful. Simmons was in much better but But SIAKA was the best as per in the floor and I think that's notable because a year ago we did this embiid would have been in the top eight or nine and Simmons would have probably be bending the top thirteen or fourteen anatomy. It's like you would clearly rather have Siachen them both of those guys in either situation whether we're talking about would I want the guy right now or would I rather have them in the playoffs. I'm going with them and I don't even think it's an argument. I agree with you there. The the Raptors are twelve. Alvin floor like way to go rafters way to gobble validation Pratt. They're coming that's what I'm saying and all that credit runs to crm. You mentioned the Qui- effect that that was the point I was GonNa make not only was the. Mvp of the finals he might still be the MVP appear this two thousand nineteen the Raptors Raptors could what he did for. I get one more person now. The we went up to other levels and he actually is probably in the conversation most improved to he in crunch time. If in Larry's out right now Flowers there may be different but in crunch time it's basically vanfleet and Siaka. Inventive leaders turned into this guard. That can create his own shot shot. He's got this weird herky-jerky game. He goes into the paint pulls out like He. He's he's kind of unstoppable sometimes and And it all started carded. Those last two rounds in that playoff. He went from being one of the worst players in the raptors to being one of the most valuable guys in the finals and Kim was born born after his kid was born. That's what really propelled him crazy. So I think the clear number seven and I and I still have kokage eight based on Denver's playing well again. He was attaches to start the season. There's no other way to say it. He just look fatter and it seems like he's playing himself into shape a little bit but he was repeating Satan. How I mean no but I think he's in better shape? He looked like the start of the season. He looked like a guy who had I just bayonet visiting his younger brother in college for Five Day weekend drinking and doing whatever But you know when you think of what he did in the playoffs last year. I think he's number eight. And then I I love what I've seen from Paul George so far I was worried about a shoulders. You know somebody made this point. I think it was chaos chaos. KFC Verno show. I can't remember which ones said it. talking about Paul George has never been an offense or you actually had space before and as I. That's not sure. And then I'm thinking about it's like what could offense is that guy ever been in Indiana Indiana and Okay see can you remember the really fun. Paul George Offense never existed listed no fencer coack and create a shot for himself and Paul. George they can run screen roles with Williams and Harold. That's the best screen enroll in the league. And then Paul George gave him the ball. Nobody can double Paul George Shade over to him because he's surrounded by shooters and he just looks awesome so I think to me has a top temporary no question so you got Yokich Georgia Dome so we got one more spot for who is is in the top ten for when we say. Oh that guy's a top ten player now we can either extended to twelve and include. embiid Carl Anthony Towns Dame Lillard or choose between the three. You're KINDA WANNA see I don't want to include A loser so I'm sorry Dame he's not he's not singularly to blame for. How bad Portland is? Yeah but how how. How can you let him escape all blame for how bad Portland is? I mean. They are completely discombobulated as a result of the collins injury apparently as a result of The whiteside acquisition as a result of Who is the terrible? It doesn't belong in the League. White Guy Small forward that we watched couldn't believe he was also an NBA floor zone. Yeah he was so bad they had to go side Carmelo. How how can he be He? She does not belong in the NBA. He's so bad now. None of that Dame's fault but you know the terrible there are bad basketball. Not and so I can't I can't say oh you're he's a top ten guy Or Top twelve guy when your team stinks. They stink stink all right so you know so. We'll go top. Twelve phone could three but for top ten I agree. He has to get bumped this season. Because how bad is teams Ben. Then it's towns versus embiid. I think the fact that embiid crush towns head to head Chicago but I also think the fact that embiid just doesn't seem like he's the better not only physically still doesn't seem like he's in awesome shape. God forbid that ever happened HOOPS IQ is. I don't know whether to blame him or Brett Brown. Or maybe they should share the blame but I just hate how they use awesome. I just hate it. The only person hates it more than me as Russillo Russillo economic. He can't watch six days without tweeting about it. It drives him like boxers but but he's right. Why Joel embiid twenty five feet from the basket? Why what are you doing? And then that they have to prioritize Simmons and his freaking Weird Limited offensive game. That doesn't seem to be getting better either it's just such an odd team and mad. Man I hate overreacting after sixteen games but I just don't think that team is I think they're going to have to pick between those two guys and I think the moments coming sooner than later in my opinion we we keep saying that unless they bring in something on the coaching side that you know allows them to have a strategy to these guys you look at this he was. I wouldn't have embiid in the in the top twelve right now as punishment for last night. Oh for eleven from the Field O.. For three from the free throw line and he missed four shots from three point range. Why is Joel embiid? Taking four mother effing shots from the three point line. It's garbage ball. That's how you lose to good teams. They're they're a disappointing eleven and six we all were very bullish bullish on the sixers entering this season. And we're right now November twenty six talking about the exact same God damn things that were the criticisms as we had back in October with Russillo. I'm right there with Russillo. I'm mad at this team. I want to be better. He's a top five talent in in the NBA. And we're not getting that out of him. Well here's the thing. If you switched him in towns this season on that sixers team or the sixers better off this season yes towns has been shooting his ass off. Towns has a credible three point. Stroke I this is the guy that they should have shooting shooting four three pointers a game. I can't believe I'm about to say this. I think towns is the tenth guy in the League. I think he is we we. We should the challenge at the beginning of the season. We said now I mean I I went off on one of my typical petty top crazy. Easy Hyperbole Death to Minnesota rance. Yeah because I was bad that they didn't win forty games last year and I lost money as a result of that yet outside like like. He's doing the thing that we wanted to see out of him. He's doing it right now. I would love to see him do it for a full season. I would love still. They still have defensive lapses in fourth quarters that let teams comeback and tie games that they should that Minnesota should win going away or or they lose games that they should win going away but by contradistinction there are also some times going out and kicking ass in the fourth quarter. And how about wiggins wiggins heard all of that blasphemy. All that slander. Is he a top one hundred fifty player. He's twenty five pretty damn. I'm good pretty good. Towns is twenty six and a half twelve and a half and four any shooting nine threes. A game he's banking four threes a game and I really good forty four percent from three and I think I think if you're going to say he's a top ten guy think he has to be in there we'd so we're Bumping for now this is for right now Thanksgiving week we're bumping EMBIID in Lillard to the top twelve. And if you're GONNA go top top fifteen I would say the next five guys from eleven through fifteen would be embiid Lillard Bradley Beal Donovan Mitchell. And and we can argue about Devon Booker Jimmy Butler. I would say Devon Booker even though I think that sons team's GONNA end up around thirty five thirty six wins but I've I've liked that. He keeps keeps getting a little bit better each year which she should be because he's in his early twenties but he's he's shown enough this year that I think I feel better about the pace run. I still wish he'd played for team. USA I think it could've helped him. I know it helped tatum. And Brown and Kumble Walker Marcus. Smart but But I would say he's at least the top sixteen Guy Right Mira. I'd like I really liked Jimmy Butler I would would have butler A tick ahead. It feels to me like You know booker this. This is the first time he's had a chance to play with the point. Thank God probably in his entire basketball career. He's never the point guard as good as as Rubio Jimmy Butler coming into Miami and essentially like rebranding. That team in his image is the the funny thing to say but they have some dog in them. Have you watched many Miami Games. Yeah I'm I'm a huge fan. I as as I was so surprised. Philly just completely annihilated them on Saturday night and that was one of the weirdest results of the aired in fully understand it but I lay. I'm with you. Miami has a lot of attitude. They got a lot though. They're definitely if you're going to say what team's GonNa get into a huge fight this year I would. Let's say Miami. That'd be my number two. I like that all right so we'll so I'm with you. I'll put Butler fifteenth. Because I do think for trying to win. He's at least proven he can win. And he's been in playoff games and stuff and in especially in that sixers central one. He's not bidding games. He was the go-to score for the sixers Audubon Society last year. Yeah all right. That's fair. Well that was fun. We're in take a break than we do at Thanksgiving enough up six. Let's talk about the drink. 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We could just do that. You know before we do pick style. I wanted to review review. Everything that's going to be on the menu at the summit SAS for Thanksgiving Ready. I'm very excited for this. I'm very excited for the first first of all my mom AKA jamming. That's what my kids cower. She is up making her famous. Antigens baked beans. And you've that you've had the baked beans right. No I've never had engines baked beans. We're always having Italian when when your mom cooks for US l.. My mom makes the greatest kind of hug the baked beans with Bacon in them. Yeah Oh yeah. They're top tiers three times types of beans. There's a lot of maple syrup. There's a lot going on and they're delicious so we have that and I think she's making lasagna too. So we got that God is Great. I like that multi-culturalism on Thanksgiving Green Bean casserole. Where do you stand on that? Yeah it's a classic you know. There's there's I'm very interested in hearing 'cause I don't know how this is going to go. I have a question for you when you're done. Wow just ask it now. What I'm wondering is you're an east coaster I'm an east coaster and not only are you? Are we both. We have like the New England tradition. I would say as as our style of Thanksgiving yet lived in California since two thousand and three has thanksgiving changed for. Are you since you've been out in California are jumping on the menu like is less. Do We centric now. What's the what's the approach? Same same day where everybody goes. Let's stop being such assholes about all this health health stuff list go. Let's go old school. It wasn't even yeah wasn't isn't necessarily the health stuff. Although I guess you know the with the produce that's a bell with a legendary southern California Produce Yan could do like a cauliflower L. A. Fowler Gratin and you know I don't know what you could do with sweet potatoes and some Kale or something down there but Okay let let be you. Keep all with the menu that that's the other thing I made. My mom is not making lasagna. She's making the inchon sweet potatoes. Okay good which is I got that wrong. It's a sweet potato casserole And it's got pecans on the top with a lot of sugar and can you bake it for a while so it's like hot. It's really good. So that's how Ed Gen Ed Jen's the author of the baked beans the author of the Sweet Potato Casserole is is she also the author of the beep balls. Yeah the me. Everything and Chen and Chen was was trying to think of a of a sports parallel to Sean on mcvay coaching tree. From my MOM's family my aunt Jan.. Sean McVeigh but if Sean mcvay one more than one season if Sean mcvay one for forty seasons instead of one take the young guy still time. So here's what else we have Green Bean cat some of this stuff my wife is ordering she didn't want to Make Yourself Green Bean casserole. Traditional herb stuffing creamy mashed potatoes corn pudding. You know what I plant the corn pudding adding mixing it with engine sweet potatoes. I'M GONNA make little corn pudding sweet potato Combo thing Seder Seder roasted Brussels. Russell sprouts I said creamy mashed potatoes there for for pre limb. There's a huge occupies platz platter with the Komo as well. There's GonNa be okay so there that's that's an off in the other direction you don't nobody on the east coast having Guacamole as as part of any of the okay. That's their middle or any of it. keep going butter flake roles DEA giant giant Turkey. And then my wife just put this in your Mediterranean platter. I don't know what the Hell is going to be on that. They said they could be bringing home at nine. Thirty that Eh. That that's the that's the Californian nod. I was halfway expecting Guacamole and Mediterranean platter. What's I feel more about the Mediterranean Mediterraneo? Here's another California when Green Salad with cranberry and goat cheese and Pecans with southern corn bread and sausage dressing. Oh good good so I was worried when you said herb. Herb stuffing that there was not going to be. You need a sausage stuffing of some sort. Okay proper what we don't have in in there as a ham and I know you have tackled it before but let's just re tackle the ground for second. Some people are pro ham on Thanksgiving and having the Turkey and the ham or maybe even thrown in like a like a roast going that way like ideally prime rib even with Turkey. I am just I just want Turkey. Don't give me other meats. Don't offer other means to me just today's my day with Turkey. I'm going to have the Turkey. I want my wife to make the Turkey soup but the leftovers day the next day the whole thing I don't need to introduce other meats into my thanksgiving. Where do you stand on this? I have to tell you Ah I approach this year's Thanksgiving and looking at all of the content. We were preparing. We had a wonderful house of carbs yesterday. Andrew Alton Alton for editor large bone apetite. came on and he's down in Texas now. He talked a little bit about Texas tradition. Where they're having brisket skit he's having smoked brisket? Now I In they're going to have a little smoke Turkey also but he was talking about Texas tradition. That was utterly foreign. I have in over the last handful of weeks in doing my research preparing with the kind of food diligence you would want out of out of the host of House of carbs. I'm that other proteins on the Thanksgiving dinner. Table is a pretty common thing like if you're in Atlanta Georgia you're having a Turkey for sure but there's one hundred eighty baked ham. I think on everybody's table and I've now coming to think I don't think we're quite at the moment where people are ready to cancel Turkey. Although don't ask David Sanger cancel Turkey. How how he tried? If you Dave Chang cancel Turkey you know every day of the week and twice on on Sunday but I am finding there are i. There is prime rib. There is roast beef. There is ham and a lot of it. Fits some other traditions out there. When you think about a feast you have multiple bull variations of potato? You're going to have our you just described to be two different kinds of stuffing dressing that you're going to do people have multiple kinds of of salads. Why can't you have more than one protein on your Thanksgiving table? And how about this way. Can I answer that question. What go ahead? Why can't have other other forms? 'cause it's fucking Thanksgiving today. We eat Turkey. That's that's what Thanksgiving is thanksgiving. Is the daily in Turkey. You ever fuck off stop. Adding people would call that the tyranny of of New England in our guest yesterday carbs called that the tyranny. Now I'd say that's a cancel culture two thousand eighteen. Now we'RE GONNA fucking cancel Turkey. Say Hey can I think we're not there yet but I will say this. Here's as we. Here's the point that that stuck to me when you're waking up on on Friday morning and you're thinking about the the college football it's going to be on around noon and you're thinking thinking about your first post. Thanks giving sandwich. Yeah in addition to the Turkey. If you had in your fridge half of a delicious honey baked ham a a ham and Turkey Sandwich. Yeah I ask. That's pretty good so maybe by the Ham just for Friday. What what is it after? Ruin my Thursday. I forgot forgot to mention ruin it. We have two different types of cranberry at Thanksgiving. Because I am I am an all time. cranberry Guy I think cranberries. Who I I have thanksgiving? It's the Fred bandleader. Let me hear about the the two ways are are either one of the forums coming out of a can yet because I am a big canned cranberry cranberry guy. Still Okay Right. I like putting through the cranberry and having like the Jelly thing. And it's probably not one hundred percent healthy and and I don't really care and then I also like to soupy expensive. cranberry that's like somebody's spent a Lotta time making and you need like a ladle for it. I want to have both. I liked that both options. I don't know what kind of mood I'm for. I also really care about the mustard situation if you have the HAM. which like if we're at my uncle ricky his house which easing Connecticut? So that won't be happening but he would always have the ham and if you have the Ham I want different. mustards I don't want you. It's like the honey he must. Maybe I'm in a dijon. kind of mood. I hate when people muster choices. Are you talking about that at the Thanksgiving table. Are you talking about Friday lunchtime. Either okay I think it's just underrated like people buy Ketchup. And they get one catch up and that's fine. Catch up can work for anybody. Anybody but he started getting thing mustard is like soda like not. Everybody likes coke. Some people like Ginger Ale. Some people like Dr Pepper. You know whatever down the align cream soda. You never know what somebody's soda preferences I think mustard. It's the same way I there. There is a nearly infinite variety combination nation of of mustard in texture in taste and sharpness in sweetness in spiciness absolutely positively. I applaud your evolved pallet. I WANNA drop this on. You just went through a bunch of ingredients that I think are going to be absolutely delicious on Friday. What I want you to consider? You don't have to do it but I want you to consider. Yeah I want you to consider a grilled cheese sandwich would mean our dope read with. I consider grow cheese sandwich every every day. Probably one of my favorite things. No but listen. I'll hear the ingredients. Your gradients are Turkey Ham cranberry. I I want you to take some of your leftover cranberry Tart cranberry and I want you. You could choose your cheese. I personally would recommend as you're building this Swiss cheese have your dijon mustard and then don't be afraid to stick a little pickle in there Yeah it's all the way been cooked up. Let that cold crunchy you could slide it in there. You can pick a pocket and slighted in and that that's it's a kind of a modified Cubano right but all the ingredients are there. It's it's it's your thanksgiving. You're putting all those great flavors right back together again. That's that's my Thanksgiving gift to you. Business Kyle where do you stand colleges stance on have as much food as possible. Because then I'll get to bring more honus. Yes that's kind of kind of the dinner so I can feed myself already leap. Just hearing about the Turkey before he needs to eat for the next two weeks. Unbelievable is hungry. They got a plea for your thanksgiving. That's the only bleep. I only did it once. All right. We're GONNA need some million. A billion dollars picks the three Thanksgiving Games. The bears are minus three point favorites in Detroit. ooh ooh that's vivacious the lions game Dallas is minus seven at home against the bills of buffalo and the New Orleans Saints Favored by seven in Atlanta against the seemingly. Resurgent Atlanta Falcons. Suddenly were that resurgent got their asses kicked by damp obey so those are a couple other games. I wanted to flag from Sunday if we WANNA use them in parlays. Tennessee is getting three at Indie Tampa is getting one point at Jacksonville. Pittsburgh is getting two and a half at home against Cleveland. The Patriots are giving minus three at Houston in. Minnesota is getting three points in Seattle against the Seattle team that week after week seems to have an exciting for a quarter or fourth quarter with the game in doubt and less. They're playing a team with no wide receivers Philadelphia last week. Any of those games. Jump out to you. Well I do like the idea of taking some of this disappointing Thanksgiving slate and spreading it out pairing it up with some Sunday action. The Sunday action that I personally like the one that I'm going to go heaviest on is the Green Bay packers favored by less than a touchdown on at the New York giants. I think this is a terrific bounceback opportunity for the Green Bay packers. I think that they Come in motivated evaded wanting to reestablish confidence in their offense there is no better team in the NFL for your offense to get healthy against than the New York giants. They need to reestablish establish the run in Green Bay so the six and a half points is just a magical number because of of what you can do tease wise with the Green Bay packers at minus under six. And a half. Do you would. What do you think about that game? So the sound through them in the teaser basket on Sunday night. Yeah the giants are awful. Bez will start. They're they're really bad. I'm not sure Danny Dany dimes naturally has has it. I'm not saying he doesn't have it. I just think we talked about a little on Sunday. Was Sal like they have saquon on Barklay and Golden Tate. Even Slayton's good the rookie and I don't know it's it's not like he's playing with a bunch of like he's it's not like he's on the Redskins you know. He's actually has some weapons so the fact that they're not that they're kind of seemingly heading the wrong direction and they lost they've lost to One two three four five six seven straight games. That's not good good again. A professional opinion. Yes that's not good. Last the Vikings by eighteen the Pats by twenty one the cards by six the lions by five the cowboys by nineteen the jets by seven and the bears by five and it seems like the crows are circling Pat German. So so you're saying. Would you do a cowboys packers. Tease or would you do a cowboys saints. Packers tees and I also like the factor in the the fact that I imagine everybody Thanksgiving's going to tease Dallas in the saints together. Which tells me that? That's the stayaway. While I actually really liked the bills in that tablets really. I haven't seen one thing out of Dallas. That's that suggests that they are a winning football team. They have it beat a team this season with a winning record their own for their one six their past seven games I eh includes this season and last season won six against the spread and their last seven games against teams with winning records. Since two thousand eleven they are one in seven against the spread on Thanksgiving. I also want to ask you this. WELL THIS IS I. It's it's a revealing ailing thing DAX past seven games fourteen touchdowns seven interceptions. Yeah what do you think Josh. Allens numbers are over that same period area Tommy Fifteen touchdowns two interceptions very quietly. The buffalo bills have come up with a competent miss mistake minimizing kind of offense. And that's the reason that they are. You know eight and three you last week When against them because you had them kind of pegged as the bad good team is at right there there there the the good bad team which would whatever's Buffalo? Well here's the thing. Since they had their bye week in week six they beep. They beat Miami. They lost Philly by eighteen. They beat you're terrible redskins. They lost the fucking Freddie Kitchens Nineteen sixteen they beat Miami. Am again and then Denver was their first win against anybody half decent in a long time and they in week five. They got to play Mariota Tennessee. I think that was Mariota's last game him They lost the patch. They beat Cincy and they'd be both New York teams when I say they've played nobody. They've played nobody. They have no. Oh good wins at all except for Denver in Denver I think is what three and eight or four and seven so so this is a real referendum. That's the case and I I think I think they're the good bad team personally. Okay all right well I. I don't like any of those trends for Dallas. Alice and I don't like the idea of teasing Dallas down the one with everything that's surrounding them At a at a core competency you you know the entire world watched Jason Garrett poop. His pants on television. Repeat now you know the the league that the chipping the stuff is just otherworldly. I mean I I how this league can continue to indulge the meaning of its product in this way with the Eh unbelievable incompetence weekend and week out of its referees. And why we're talking about the referees and why we're talking about trip tripping in week week twelve of the Goddamn. NFL season is absolutely incomprehensible. Shield I thought it was great. I fully supported. It can't let that you can't let the cowboys get away with that stuff. You can't just do better I I. Don't maybe box office. Does that leave us. Here's whereas out with you Would stay away from Dow's Buffalo. I think that's a state that's it we're got opposite side so because you you could tell me. They're going to win by thirty. You could tell me that Jason Garrett is going to be getting booed by the beginning of third quarter who the fuck knows. Let's stay away I like the idea of ts in the packers and saints and a guy that should be. We'd packers just have to win saints. Just have to win win. We get a little action on that saints game and And that's fun. I kind of want to suggest. Can we put the bears into it. I have the bears coming. Oh good okay. All right Allie Luhya. I WANNA have a reason to watch that game because otherwise here's the reason we're gonNA take the bears minus three. Okay look good right there with you on this one. I think the lions are awful. I think they are absolutely awful. They stink. They're fucking terrible. Less bad they lost to the reds. I watched that whole game. I couldn't believe it first. First of all it's incomprehensible. I watched that whole game like what's going on in my life that I watch football game. Yeah it was worse than the w championship. Congratulations congratulations good counsel. Beating Saint John's. Yeah I mean what the what the Mother F. It was terrible football. I needed I. We you came up with fanny. Pack Fangio for for the coach of the Denver Broncos Matt Patricia. XFL coach of the year next year. Potentially I need I need A. We need a name for him for pencil-pushing Patricia. I don't know what it is. He's talking terrible. They're awfully coach. Coach T. I.. Everybody every face. I tried to tell everybody for two years. Nobody listened to me. It's just he. He wasn't a good defensive coordinator. We got better when he left all right so we have bears minus three. I don't even care about your bisky. I think they can. It doesn't even matter. I think they can win the series there. The last three games The bears have won last three. The lions are Owen. Three against the spread in the last ten games. The lions are two six two against the spreading as the bears. The licensed stink at home. There are three and seven straight up and against the spread and their last ten home. Home Games meet the lion their own six against the spread in their past six games they suck they suck they stink. And they're in a lower game losing streak which is also fun bears five and six not totally out of the playoff picture amazingly it's GonNa take ten wins to get a wildcard but they they at least it's not like they're done on and reevaluating stuff like they're still trying to actually make it so we got that Bucks plus one or am I just in love with the box. You're in love with the box. I I I feel like it's a stay away. After last week's I mean they. They really validated everything that you love about them. It was the full James Experience Carrion last week and incredible James Experience last week. Well the one I do like and I'm worried it's too obvious. This is Tennessee plus three in Indianapolis and this would involve going against the colts. Who have treated so well over the years N Eh treated me well and even on Thursday night I want some money in an them covering behalf point i. I think they're in a lot of trouble the colts they. He really only have one receiver from a coaching standpoint. It hasn't been great defensively. They can't seem to get stops when they absolutely need to. And I I don't think percents healthy. The big thing for me is I think percent is like sixty sixty five percent. He can't create plays with his legs anymore and extend plays and doesn't seem like like he wants to go downfield that much either. Hilton doesn't seem healthy. Either he a couple of big drops last week and in general I just I just haven't really early life the way they've looked that much they can stay in these games. They forced the other team. The point of their pays the problem for them as Tennessee is a better version of what. They're trying to do every week now. Now because Henry's plan unbelievable they have received big physical receivers that can make plays. They're just the really physical team and I think there are better version of winning. He's trying to do. I actually like Tennessee in this division. So I like them plus three. What do you think of that? I don't WanNa go against the call okay Because we have too much riding on it but I understand the rationale. Well I'm I'm. They've been impressive. Since they went to Tanny Hill I mean they're they're they're competent looking football team. They know their identity and they likely like me. They took care of business against the jags. So the the big thing for me is and I think we can so grabbing on Tuesdays is I think this is a field goal game either way so why why not take the three three and if you push you push I think if they had tan held all season it might be an eight and three team. It might be it it might be. I mean we. We started off kind of believing in them at the beginning of the season. Well how does this play. Because it's three. No I had a combo. Actually I wanted to Tennessee my plus three with the pats minus three parlay plus to six. Because if if this if this works out all of the sudden Tennessee is looking awesome in the AFC south and people wait. What the Hell just happened ten Tennessee? Wait what Tennessee right. A six five six and five Houston seven and four. Tennessee wins in Houston loses. Tennessee is in a tie with Houston first place and they play Houston in week week. Fifteen in week seventeen so I'm actually making a parlay based on. I think both of those things will happen. And that's plus two sixty so file that away the last one. I really like us for a few reasons. I think they finally realized. Mason Rudolph was unplayable. I could've told the net to Mexico. Well this is the the truly disappointing for steelers fans about the myles. Garrett thing is that he didn't knock route off out of out of Be able to play if they have you getting suspended for the fight for six games or something. Yeah that was the truly galling that thing so the galling aspect was is that Rudolf was so bad in that game and then the helmet thing happens and then nobody's talking about how bad Rudolph was that game and then last week he's just as bad and they benched inch to half time they brought in hodges and he was actually pretty good. They asked Tom on in the press conference on Tuesday morning. Why Hodges why are you playing? Devil lodges is. Why did you make the switch and wise hodge is going to start against Cleveland? Brad Tomlin's response was he has not killed us in the two thousand. Nineteen Pittsburgh steelers ladies and gentlemen quarterback. He's not killed us so he'll be starting starting this week. The the translation that is Mason. Rudolph fucking kill that so they had to give out of there and he has. He's killed them. He's been awful killed them and I think I actually think Tom and lakes this team. I think this team has is built a lot of confidence. weirdly and the roughing was the elephant in the room. And now he's out and they're playing Cleveland. I think this is a revenge game in a lot of different ways and I just think they're going to win. I don't think Freddie Kitchens is beating Mike Tomlin twice. I'm sorry so I had it in for great to and a half. I love that. There's a little extra something here You know the the the classic rust belt you know AFC North head to head. Like a an old school Cleveland Pittsburgh slugfest lining up here with The Duck Duck Hodges Let your leading the way I I like it. I'm with you on this and anything anything that that Avoid having to put any faith in a soup kitchen I support so yeah why not. I like the Pittsburgh defense is mother good. And it's it's been the difference maker for them. It saved their season So sure I like this. I like it in the points. I'm with you all right. So here's what we can do. Million Dollar picks Thanksgiving Week edition bears minus three three hundred thousand dollars. Basically it'd be so happy and hungry is a V.. Like eight you picking added serves watching Matt Patricia. Do Dumb stuff hoping trubisky does in Just keep throwing the ball of the other team. I don't think that will happen. My guess is that they will take the car keys away from trubisky and give him one of those birds scooters and a florescent arrested jacket and just tell him not to hit another car. Three hundred thousand on the bears minus three next one. We're doing the saints. The Thursday night game teasing down to one with the packers teasing them down to a half point against the giants on Sunday putting three hundred thousand dollars. He's on that one as well. Dan were betting on. Hodges were betting against Freddie soup kitchens the steelers plus two and a half in Cleveland. Anyone I just think they're better defenses. Better Cleveland is looking as good as they're ever GONNA look after Thursday win and then a Miami win everybody's feeling good about about them wondering if they can sneak into the playoff picture. I have a news flash for you. Their coach by Freddie Kitchens. It's not happening. Three hundred thousand on the steelers plus two and a half and then the last one. We're going to put two hundred and fifty thousand dollars on a parlay plus two sixty Tennessee plus three Indianapolis with pats minus three in Houston. Little Road team Thanksgiving Parlay in honor. The people who are going to be on the road on Sunday so of that one hits to fifty to sixty what is that Kyle. Six fifty eighty six hundred fifty thousand dollar windfall. So there you go bears minus three parlayed Tennessee plus three pats minus three Ts Saints Packers Akers and then Pittsburgh plus two half. Were betting on Devon Hodges House would how do you feel about that. It's it's duck duck. Goose it's an all poultry. Thanksgiving is giving week. And you're GONNA have your Turkey on Thursday and your duck on Sunday. Maybe a little roasted goose in between that's called a winner. Bill Simmons has happy Thanksgiving. Doctors said happy Thanksgiving everybody. Happy House giving all right. Stay farm believes in helping people in strengthening communities. It's a good neighbor is rooted in the DNA core values of state farm empoisoned agents. Stay Farmers Vob. 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Nothing feels organic right now And it's not that I hate the rams or anything but just being from Saint Louis. I chant before them and they there are some dishonesty with the departure. I mean people were led to believe that there was a possibility with the new stadium that we were going to keep this team in perpetuity and I I think the crunchies just like no they said that and then they pulled it and people felt awful awful as a student of the game. Yes you know. I'm a student of the game out when he bought other land in L. as. Yeah I'm just GonNa buy this land what I'm GonNa do with it. It looks like the exact size of a football stadium and every time you fly into the city like you see like it being built and it looks like it's going to be steady are and I. Maybe I'll go and watch the charges. Their father Saint Louis guys and all all the sports you must right. It's like a group. Are you on text. Read like you in Jason Tatum and Bradley Beal. No I don't know their way more famous than Niamh and to cool and too young but their more famous than you. This is Uh is what twenty million people dean. Not that maybe once like all the plus. Three's and seven's and online and everything like that but numbers are different than what they were in the eighty nine. I'm saying cheers and Cosby and all that type stuff. It's it's different so I'm always cognizant of the fact that most people don't know who the fuck you're if this is us was on in like nineteen eighty five. I've it'd be big. It'd have like fifty million episode or if you've ever gone back and looked at the viewership for the shows how you're are you mid forties forty three. Yeah I'm I'm I just turned fifty good men but the thank you. You're welcome this shows in the seventies where we only had three channels and it was like thirty million for every absolutely yeah. I like shows that weren't doing that. Show got cancelled. It only has twenty two million viewers rid of that would even like you know Tgif he is what they did on ABC back in the day with like full. Haussmann weren't huge numbers but like they were compared to now massive. I remember like maybe like six seven years ago. Kimmel Tomi that more people watch the man show then then his show on ABC. That's not right. And he was like sent all the numbers here and it was like just the man show on comedy. Central Twenty years ago was more than any late night. Show right now more more than fallon but he thought answers so splintered now. Yeah there's so. Many places has a Hulu which in places I dan who is a friend of this is us. Yeah now is all well everything now becomes like part of a conglomerate because Disney and Fox Sir sort of merged together and now there's the Disney plus in a cooling. ESPN plus like. I feel like I should just think Bob Eiger for everything. Yeah I've rarely ever seen Bob's like thanks Bob before for the job at least give them a half hug. Yeah you know what by the way. Yeah he'll be seventy on his next birth now. The guy does forty five minutes of the verse climber. Every day he wakes up like four thirty in the morning yeah. He's a beast. Great posture too about incredible. Yeah like he's given me something to shoot for he's good he's very active. y'All mid sixties dude. Yeah yes Year career is really fascinating. It's an unusual arc in this day and age. You just on all these shows for years and then belatedly it happens yeah. Did you ever give up above pope No because at the time I was happy. Yeah you know what I'm saying like I actually was paying bills. I was able to buy a house like my wife and I had a kid. Yeah I did TV TV show army wise for six and a half seasons had a great time. Doing nobody watches it. It's all good so I don't mind like military families would see you in the airport and everything and they would fan Dan out and go like a sneaky. Heavily watched show though it gave military lifetimes number one show whole time it was on the air and then definitely Middle America military families. It was big. Who is your? What was your character on that show? I was one of the army wives. I was the military spouse vows. The male variety. My Name was Dr Rowland Burton Role unburdened he was a psychiatrist and the specialized allies in. PTSD soldiers sort of reacclimated to civilian society. And hence my wife was the lieutenant colonel. So I was me and four other women were running around like Oh wow okay at running around basin just solving problems and helping each other. We were community yes I see you're going through the airports in anybody wearing a uniform. Yeah we'll come up to. Hey totally that like women would come and help me get through my husband's last deployment like things like that all the time and it was awesome right but in New York and La it was relatively on deaf ears and then all of a sudden OJ. They happened well. I I'll say this like there was a possibility of reopening my contract for army wise. Yeah and I said I feel like I've explored everything I want to with with this character. I'm excited to see what comes next. And they dangle a big cared and they say like are you gonNA turn this down and I said yes. I'm going to turn this down. And it was about two and a half of two three years in between while I was doing guest spots on different things I booked a pilot on AMC. That didn't go and I thought. AMC was picking up everything that they had shot. And I was like Oh man that that sucks and there was a moment of like. Oh Man I got this kid. I got a house you know like. Is it going to work out. And that pilot season was when the people people versus. Oj came along as like. Oh Shit core who worked. Yeah I felt like I when I love that. Oj Show. Thanks when I say you wanted learned I was like I know that guy him instead of acting out. Now you're you but for years you're like oh I like that guy such you can't place. What were you liked them? All over the place but then you graduated from that status. Yeah Yeah I did. And the O.. J. Thing was a monster. It's crazy I mean to see how quickly it happened. Yeah any of my agents. Say the same thing he's like you know doesn't happen like this all the time. I'm like. Yeah I'm well aware that happened like this because I was the new kid on the block and I was looking around at Sarah. Paulson Courtney Vance and John Travolta you know Nathan Lane and this cast of all stars and this little dude from Saint Louis Missouri. Who just Kinda like snuck in between the cracks and I thought they were GonNa Hayes me? They didn't Hayes me. They are pretty cool. Very Sweet Ryan Murphy was really wonderful and he scares people but he's like my dude dude like I I will ride for him to the day I die. You wait for that opportunity like you think that you have ability you know and you have confidence in that ability. The more you get overlooked. You're like well. Maybe this is GonNa be my trajectory. And that's okay and then someone gives you an opportunity to be thrust into the limelight with a show so the kind of became appointment television. And it's hard to come by these days like you were saying in the eighties. All you had was three or four networks to check out and everybody sat sat down and watched it together as a family. OJ Was the first time that people came up to me. But look I don't watch anything live but I wait for that night. Send Me and my family get together And we watch this show and that sort of just like turn things overnight. It almost created or didn't create because we grew up with the mini research format. Sure I feel like brought it back and and now you look at it look at. Hbo And all these different the seven episodes as things now standard but when OJ happened. Wasn't I'm GonNa tell you so like they talk about the the rebirth of the Anthology series and and Ryan gets a lot of credit through American Horror Story Eh now American crime stories. Sarah but I'm a site one of your favorite shows yet as you've talked about the wire on many an occasion yeah wire on the sneak. It is the rebirth of the anthology because it was five seasons but each season at a different focus on the point you start with you start with the drug game. You know you move into to the kids you go to the news you go to the Docks de you can go to the kids and you go to the newspaper so like focused on all these different tangents of Baltimore right but it was all under the umbrella of the wire it was really five different shows with connected characters. I'm actually watching right now. Yeah I will. I bought this exercise bike. Okay you Peleton men. No no no no no well I actually have a Palatine food but this it's one of those hands free bikes move your legs uh-huh and I play video games and I put a show on that I've seen before so I'm not too distracted. Okay so now midway through season for the wire but it's like I'm so so into it again and I've already. This is the third time I plowed through it and I feel like when I get back when I when I go through it again. It's like my friends are back. These people are just say Oh man fucking Miss McNulty. What's your favorite? What's your favorite? So my favorite season was four. Four is pretty. Ah I thought by the time it gets the four. The show knows what it is important like McNulty was the star of the show and he's barely. NC's enforce as true because they had so much swagger at that point like we can do this but the kids are. Kids are so good. Is that when we meet. Snoop at the beginning season for that. Season's zoo comes in season three but then season four is when GIA yeah. She abused by. I just love the kids. Yeah and to me. It's the key season. 'cause it's about it starts it starts here with the school. Sure they're they're fucked from the beginning. The whole thing is just. I think that Omar's one of the greatest character television history. Who would you wanted to play? If if if I auditioned for and was close to playing stringer bell now Yeah Yeah Law Alexa Fogel casting city and I had a couple of rounds of auditions nations for it and know Idris frigging fantastic love them. I'm bows close. I was close to take a British guy over here. It took a British scout awed. Should he not the first time hit. It won't be the last A. There's we all I will say this. There was the idea dear for a really long time like a people. Talk about like how American actors aren't as well trained as our British counterparts. Yeah I I think that is starting to shift and people are being a bit more like you know there's so many different pathways to fame in America whether it's through music the rap through sports etc there is a training background at tends to be pervasive across the pond. But like we have some wonderful programs. Here I went to school with Mahershala Ali at Nyu. On my buddy. Brian tyree Henry who is yeah who was on Atlanta right now. He went to Yale L.. Like I have friends from juilliard from UCSD etc.. We have some really wonderful training programs gear. I'm glad to see with OJ. The producers were talking talking about how they had to like they were gonNA look in South Africa. They were GONNA look in London like we couldn't find the guy I was living right down the street on Pico. I'm thankfully like they're sort of going away from that idea that we aren't good enough because we have some really wonderful people. That was a hard character. I think all the other ones you could you know either. You play the character of the character or you can put on the right way and that does have the battle in Darden was oh so like a even during the whole i. There's a huge OJ. Junkie Oka- He was so inscrutable even during the trial and stuff he was the one guy like what's going on in there and then when he would lose it yeah it seemed like Oh my God like and then He. He couldn't calm down after it could when he got upset like he almost needed to a third grader. Who needed a time came out like all right? You could take time out in the corner and that must have been like such a fun character to play. There's so many layers to it. It was really like I think it's a lot of people passed on it because of his relative lack of popularity community. If you will And I remember being in college when it all went down and I was like. He's on the wrong side. You know what I'm saying like as a young black man I was squarely on the side of the defense. So what was doubly sort of amazing mazing about it was to step into the side of the prosecution to look at the evidence as it was presented to them and be like how they had a case. Like there's a point like whether or not you think. OJ Did or did not do it. There's an overwhelming amount of DNA evidence that suggests he was present at the crime. Yeah right okay And then he is pulled into this thing incredibly unpopular for black men to be a part of right. His family told them not to do it. He had this. This is something we didn't talk about in the show but he had a brother dying of AIDS right at the time so it was taking a lot away from him. He had a daughter who he would try to visit. WHO's up in the bay at the time? There was a lot of personal sacrifice that he made in order to be a part of the case to now. Feel as if your voice is not being heard that you're being I used for your face but not really being Used for your opinions in your voice in your perspective that had to be an incredibly difficult space to inhabit the habit for a long time Like the case went on much longer than anyone had anticipated happening So yeah it was fascinating for mean to just get a glimpse of what it must have been like for him. And for Marcia. I was a barely working sports writer at the time. Yeah working in restaurants and was home during the day and it was like a godsend. We didn't even the Internet back then. I think video games in the trial at three in the afternoon us was. I GonNa do go get coffee at Dunkin donuts. I watch a lot of that and Man It was. There will never be anything like that again. No no especially because there's so many the more outlets now Dick in news to take in media period also take sides now back then. The reaction of of the different communities to the verdict was. I was wake I live in Boston now. I I had no idea what was going on. Sound like other than reading New Yorker orcre couple places right not like I had all of this diversity in my life to talk about the trial right you know and and when the reaction that and we were all like they're celebrating. Why are this guy just got away with murder and and everywhere at Stanford and I was living in what I'll L. Call just the African American dorm on campus and when they said the verdict we erupted right but the dorms half black and then have everybody body else and the other half of the dorms? Like are you guys crazy like are you crazy like this is a win for black like how often does a black man actually have the justice system work in his behavior right so it became less about the specifics of the case it became the imagery of a black man actually getting over on the system and it took me a while I remember I wrote about it in two thousand and four. I think it was the ten year anniversary and at that point I had read every book and as I get it now but it took and then when we did when we're doing thirty for thirty one of the first ones we did was was the day that he escapes or Dan escapes with the Chase Chase because all these other sports things happened at yes we grabbed ragged exit was Arnold Palmer's last masters the Ranger Stanley Cup for all these things and And the the audience for that was pretty big. And that's what eventually led to us too in the multi part series which I was there for the beginning of and that was coming out after your thing. Yes that's right and then you're thinking came out. I think it's going to be terrible for the other thing and it's like no it was it was actually they were complemented. They really were like nothing. Canceled out anything else like and it was fascinating for me to watch just seeing him grow up in San Francisco but really really the epilogue like the floor stuff. Oh my God video various leadership roles like yeah he he unraveled. And then it's A little bit. Well now. He's on twitter. He can hit you up he. I loved you started. Your great job really enjoyed it. You can't he was given myles Garrett start getting myles Garrett thoughts last week because he he's on twitter is talking about his fantasy team. I I don't follow real quick tangent. Yeah was the punishment right from us. He I thought it should have been for the season. I think he's I. I think people have got a little carried away by comparing it to the our test ballet some of the protests going. That's not going into. It was like way scarier earn riot. Yeah this was. She hit him with the helmet and also just kind of took it. Here's my question it's just bouncing got like the inside part of the helmet when and not to take away from the atrociously bad max talk about it or not. Yeah he was instigating the bottom of that file trying to rip his helmet off and then continuing to follow him. But no when you take a helmet I mean I played the game in high school and I love the game dearly. Like it's it's tough on. I ask Chris Long I was like because I was like Rudolph. We've Chris Long does a podcast with Ryen Russillo and are okay. He played for. I don't know twelve years. Rams key Yeah Ramsey big guy so I was like how much would it hurt right to get hit by the helmet. And he's like in that part of the head. That's where you want. It will be bad as like knows brighter. Side of the eye or something like that but it was like actually like on there. You could take it. Yeah that makes sense so gruesome but it was it was because he he just turned around and did the arms thing they it's GonNa Follow Garrett around career certainly did with our tests. They did you know it's too bad. Also has to do with the the personality of Meta World Peace as well. You know what I'm saying like I think miles when I hear him talk about it and expressed remorse that he did. I'm hopeful that he's able to move forward. He's a really talented player. And a really decent human being distinct saw red in a moment and soul motion makes everything worse too because when something's unfolding like that In in two seconds. You just don't WanNa step on your movie but no you the AH yeah yeah but in slow motion. It's all of a sudden ten seconds and then it seems like there's more right anyway. Thank everybody can see. You've done. I take right on. No what did I do when Marcellus was on with With Max oh you did that one. I did that are you. Doing I take for this Seoul media thing not as not as of yet go on that. It'd be fun it'd be fun. I was fine as watching this day. Gave let me get a word in. There would be great now though he'll actually be excited about the day after the bows Garrett thing you had this previously scheduled thing with David Boreanaz. Okay so so they're going through it. They're screaming at each other and it's coming up so then he comes in the lake. Would you think about this. Guy's like I'm just here to Tavis but all right. Here's five Oscar take joy. Would they pull it the CELEBS. Yeah I would love to do. I think they're great so OJ takes off afternoon. You get this as US then. I got this. You're off Yemen in the winning. You have to like. How many speeches have you given out? A word. Shows like five Three emmys one Golden Globe for it means that you have. I'm looking at your sports over there. I have to AMIS two EMMYS. I HAVE THIRD REGIONAL EMMY FOR AD campaign that I did promoting tourism in Saint Louis Nice serving Midwest emeals. Well Doc I have actually going to tell you what I know. You have a golden glove. I have a Golden Globe and the first Golden Globe given for an African American actor As a best drama best lead actor in a drama series and the set at that time of the seventy five years of the Golden Globes and I was crazy I was like I can't believe this is the first time that's a little little shaky too but yeah it's tough voting patterns well that they rectified. The situation I won the first best male lead actor in a drama series for. Ah The sagamore as well which is just twenty twenty five years or your speeches are really good. Thanks man I appreciate it at. Are you memorizing them. What are you doing? Is it an ad. Lib Bullet points four points. You do sort of bullet points of what. The basic gist is that you WanNa talk about in the try to just make heartfelt as possible like the best piece of advice that that I got for those speeches is if you can go up there without a piece of paper I think people will remember it more. Took Guitar Yeah I really. That's the one thing I like about the word show. 'cause I really respect the art of a good speech and I think it's hard to do sure It's hard to keep it the great length. It's hard to make. It seem like it's coming from the heart when meanwhile it's in your head somehow point rehearse bear. Yeah now let's get a good job of those thank. This is us Do people just come up to you. And they're just already they're just cried the trigger tears very much like people people come up and hug you and such an emotional show they linger too like it's lingering hug and it's like okay and you sort of like smooth out their back and say it's going to be okay and this is in the middle of a CVS or vons or whatever like it. Dan Matter because when you come into people's combs once-a-week so week you become a part of their family and now they're like I know you you hear that all the time I know you and I have no idea who you are right but like I appreciate it and thank you and you sweet and you're kind But like the fans of this is us. Are there really die hard. And they feel it to their core and when they see you they can't help including my wife. She's a fan. It's funny when 'cause I was telling you before we I started. I Know Dana lobeck issues in the whole circus whose appear think on the man show Okra. I remember seeing the trailer the commercial or the one minute ad or something before the show lodge and I remember texting about it Jimmy and a couple of us and it was like to show is going to be a monster hit. You could just tell it's like it's just to me. It's a combo of the timing. has there been a show like this y.`all Algebra and just like what just you could just out there that'll work. This is filling some sort of void that exists now and sometimes that'll happen to like medical dramas like I. I remember feeling that way about grey's anatomy Yummy to seeing that I was like. Oh Yeah it's time for another one of these. Let's go agreed and I think there's something about the way. Dan structured it to to have like the parallel timelines of the parents and the kids living at the same time in their lives. Yeah because it's sort of you have your pants up on this pedestal and then you reach a point in your life when you realize oh you just you just people and you guys are just making this crap up as you go along and I expect you to have all the answers but nobody has all the answers dances and you start giving them a break like I feel like the show collectively that gives parents of break. Because we're all doing the best that we can. Yeah we know how to do better and I think that's streaming. You mean thing really helps to the two you can even if you missed the first eight. When his show becomes a thing you can go? I was tell the story about Friday Night Lights. I just I watched the first one I didn't. I was canceled this high school. Football show in the mid to thousands and NBC. Like I'm not getting attached to these people. They're the cancer this out. How about this and and then it became a thing as like? How do I watch I had to go on Ebay and order these Japanese? DVD's abuse of it. So is the show at the Japanese subtitles. Are you serious. I got off them and I caught up. Yeah had to get now you just catch up on Hulu and finding any just catch up on the street. I The intro to lost was I'd heard all this stuff about season one. I'm not GonNa Watch this crap. I went and bought the DVD from target. And and my wife. And I were doing a play in Minneapolis. Let's watch one. It was ten o'clock and we were up to five o'clock in the morning watching the first seven. I was like all right. I'm in. I did that with a wire era and missed the first season because the corner was the show he did before it was just too intense for me right like I think sometimes art can pass a point. Were you feel like all right. I'm going to watch this but I'm going to be like fucked up for next two hours like it's there are different things that are can indu. Sometimes you try to show life as it is sometimes you try to steer life into the direction of where you think it can be like Sorkin at his best lasted idealist. Right so the west wing is not are necessarily heart government system as is but he's like look at what it can be. You know what I'm saying with the newsroom like things become so partisan whatnot like if you are purest like let's see if we can steer towards what we want it to be and I think both things are of value it. Hey It's officially holiday season. Everyone loves a gift. They can feel good in and good about all birds stylish comfortable sustainable. 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I don't know how people stay awake on a plane to be perfectly honest with you unless I have a really good movie like if I start to read on the plane I pass out of a taxi for too long like the something rub aired on just like gone. NBA Player like Jalen was like that really Jalen. Put the seat belt on his clean. GLANCY WAKES UP. Hey that's me how we do it like sleep for you. Were in a coma for die straight hours a week. You know what I I just realized I WANNA say this on the pike as I didn't realize Jalen and Malia married yeah could for him she took last name that's amazing to go jalen houses of. That's a win. Checked a lot of boxes for him including talk. Yes because he's he's legit six eight and a half an holidays. She thinks she's she's spray toss isn't that she's at least five ten five eleven. Okay Talk Yeah no good no because I slept on the plane amen and the other thing is too and I'm sure you've had this experience when you get a chance to work on multiple projects simultaneously. You can have that experience. Where like all right? I am a little fatigued here. But you're not fatigued in general you can actually have new found energy for this other thing. That's a good point moving from one thing the other you can keep your energy up so that that's that's I agree with that because I started real is that Oh eight. Oh nine that I liked working on multiple things at the same time right and I would pull the energy from the different things I was felt like it was one giant thing. But I'M GONNA go over here I'll go over there. Yeah but still two point two different characters who different carry it a a little bit of a different animal. I mean yeah but then you watch something like orphan. Black like any way in like ninety seven and that's fucking awesome right like he was nice like I love Randall. I love the image that he's able to put out into the world is sort of nerdy guy who's very well. Meaning who wears his heart heart on his sleeve right. But I'm wonderful and often cognizant of the fact that I want to take advantage of the opportunity to show that I'm not Randall. Ram Mm Sterling in sterling loves to play many many different people and so hopefully people get a chance to check this out. They get a chance to see a dad but who manifests in a very different away. What's this is? How many years now? Four Seasons Pool Right now. Yeah how has the show evolved you you talk about TV. I seasons easy right. You're introducing all the characters stories. You've created this new kind of thing. Second Seasons always a little weird. 'cause Tana hype. Yeah we do all right though into the typical arc. Whatever there's some hype? There's a little backlash ask people know what they're gonNA expect. and that's usually gets creative than season. Three's usually really good and then sees him for now. You're Kinda there for a while. Then and what sixty seven episodes sixty s is usually where somebody has it baby or you put your ratings Daf certificated up right. See we were so we we. We did this thing at the beginning of season for where we introduced three new characters. This is what I mean eh and everybody was watching like who the fuck it. He's why they on my TV right there like is this week. It canceled But then like these three people sort of tie into the main narrative of how they fit into the Pearson family at the end and so by the end of it they were like okay. That makes sense like you had let me waiting for a while and I'll say this fogelman watches like online like hawk. That's is that a good thing though it is a thing I'm not gonNA put Good or bad on it. Sometimes I think he gets a little over immersed into the whole fan. Yeah but he cares right he cares deeply. Yeah and so. He's freaking out for the first forty five minutes of the show like I'm GONNA lose them. WanNa lose them fucking lose him gone and then the last fifteen minutes when it all comes together. And he's like Oh God I made. I didn't lose said it was it was he's delightfully neurotic. And it was more fun watching him. Watch twitter as the show was on than actually watching watching the show. Well I knew this show is doing well anyway because it was obviously doing well and I jumped ratings. Yeah but when there is a copy catch like Oh this show is really doing well the other the networks are doing their version of the show is amazing. It was amazing for us too. Because they're doing they're trying to do our show in our corner. Hey look like Marla shows but season three this guy. There's not enough to go. I think you know we get a chance. They get a chance to sample other people's product but hopefully at the end of the day they come back to To the Blue Magic WanNa talk about waves but I told you you WANNA put it the tail end. Yup 'cause there's some spoiler stuff okay and I wanna did we do. All the sports we need to do is there any. NBA thought she wanted to get out any NFL I'm excited to go to the staple center any given night. I'll say that much. I am a huge Lebron Fan Alecky and have been a Lebron fan from the beginning and it's not just what he does on the court is how he conducts himself off the court for young man to comes straight from the League from high school. Yeah and to have that level of Polish that he is shown over the duration of his career. I don't think a lot of people give him the credit that he really deserves right. You know what I'm saying. The food his friend group who he's like sort of ensconced himself with like they've made major moves oops and they haven't had if you can say at the end of his career that his biggest misstep was the decision. That is when I was twenty five. You told Homey I could go play in south beach. Knock you but I'm going to solve been to south beach. It's fucking amazing grace. That's the the biggest downfall. There's he's he's he's one he's one. Yeah I I agree with you. I don't think he gets the credit because I think of him almost like a child actor. Yeah he's famous when he was sixteen. Yeah eat out and that goes wrong. How many times night? Nineteen hundred twenty. Absolutely at some point. There's some residues yeah and and now you added the best way you became famous later in your life when you really see it and appreciate yeah. He became famous when he was sixteen to deal with it from that from that young on. I'm amazed by like I'm amazed. So you've chosen the Lakers over the clippers. Choose Shoes Lebron okay NFL NFL your widow. I'm a widow players from Saint Louis. I'll say because yeah I know where you're from and God bless your whatever I hate I hate. I hate the Patriots. Now this is the Latte we've somehow and and and it's not your father. Even Brady's folks I feel like there's the smugness of the coach The fact that he stole signals when I was supposed to get to super bowl no he didn't still sick. Never Proven Kyle Nye County. We embrace the hate now. We embrace the hate. It hurt her feelings for a while but then after like the fifth super it got to the point from me for like as a young man I was like I don't care what he does in his career. The goat will always be Montana And now even I sterling K.. Brown of Saint Louis Missouri. After you go to the game nine times and you get six ws you gotta give it time. He's the goat was the best Saint Louis movie of all time. I don't even know how many Saint Louis movies I like the air up. There shot partly in Saint Louis You probably know more nine out. There's not too much shoots there. I think there's nothing is not a lot I remember in vacation. The griswald pass through the list. They pass the city but like that might be something for me to do with the production coming. I gotTA shoot something in Saint Louis. That'd be production company now. Yeah I gotTA. Production companies called Indian meadows named after my neighborhood in Saint Louis Missouri Just trying to put some more diversity up there while I can like it feels like things are moving in a way where there's an appreciation creation by Hollywood. The diverse stories are not only important but can make money. You know what I'm saying that you only addressed the universal through the specific and so while the doors wedge I'm trying to a wedge. It open a little bit more and put my own little. spank on it. I have two thoughts on what you just said do to him. It's it's awesome that it's finally happening. They in that somebody like you. Who probably should've happened for you sooner than it did? the cynical sodomy. He's like this is also happening because these things are making money. That's the cynicism about it but I think I think everybody's trying to present this as out. Things are better. It's all the pressure we put on. It's like it's also a businessman for absolutely because there's a fucking audience again. No Shit. There was an audience. Yes what we were saying Ella. Yeah I think for the MISNOMER. was that like mainstream society. I E white men would not be able to see themselves in somebody else's story and I I think like you've had black panther sort of kind of destroyed that that myth in a way. The other thing was that like black faces don't necessarily sell overseas overseas. So batsman destroyed. I think if the story is well told what about humanly it makes no sense as a hit view if I if I tried to sell that to somebody in a room right. So here's here's the plot moon. That's making five dollars talking about. It's it was the first buried. Just shot it's so gorgeous because it was a good movie. That's where we're getting and now it's felt about waves. It was like you know I don't I don't WanNa go. Nuts tells them when we tell album to like stop listening to. I don't want I tweeted today about I was like. Don't read anything about this movie experience because I knew nothing. I voted everything I had. They sent me screener. I couldn't even stream. TV I'd watch my ipad some line in bed put it on and it's an intense it starts it starts with everything's with religious circle sixty camera and and it's just moving. It's moving a dozen. Let go and it's and it just goes and goes and goes and goes and it doesn't stop up no and when it finally stops you you need to have a cigarette. Yeah and then it goes again and it's just I rarely DC movies like this so so first of all. I love that you had that experience watching it by yourself. Because one of my favorite things is to sit in the screening. And there's a couple of moments in particular and I I will. I'll let you say the specifics. Because I'm not sure do later. Yeah we'll do better but there's a the scene yeah right. There's a collective gasp right in the audience where where people are like well right and even before that we're gonNA bleep. We're going to believe what you just said. So we don't spoil it I'm with you okay like there's there's something especially so I don't know if this now wait till the end. Wait I'll wait till the end talk about about the symbol would syncing about how constructs it is and this is where you know movies can be well directed and then there's a whole other level that people go to like just every every decision is really carefully made down for the second but and the pace and the intensity of what he does is just so like I i. It was like when I saw it. I was like there's no way this guy's older than thirty five. I read nothing because I think I would have heard of this person. WHO's four this as as a filmmaker because yeah yeah so so? I wasn't surprised to see that there is so the script There's no hard copy for the script. He has on a computer program and he has like music cues embedded tin to the script in hit a button. Listen to a song as you read. The music's at one of the most essential characters is in the movie. It's huge right. And most of the music that was in the script he was able to get the rights for for the actual film. So you had an idea of what the propulsion of the movie was going to be just reading eating it on the page right As like that it was not the typical music it was actually like modern music on and Kendrick things that made sense for where the story was. Hey Yeah and we. We took like right down to the last minute to get rights for that for that. Kinda Song Because he was busy making his album and so we didn't know we were going to get it or not totally easy to deal with this. Yeah what could go wrong with cool as the other side of the pillow. A so like that was something that I knew. He's re he's done to movies before Trey Atwood and I watched one of his films. UH-HUH KRISHA which is about his family and he shouted like over the course of nine days or something like that Hired his family to play the actors in the thing. And there's not a lot that happens in the movie but his aunt comes home for Thanksgiving or family reunion and everybody's treating a sort of strangely like whereas everybody being so meaner was because you discovered that of course the movie that she has a substance abuse problem. She's alcoholic and they're just waiting for her to slip up because they know that every time around she slips up and so people are walking around until she finally slips up and they like I told you I had so like off of just this simple storytelling. I was so immersed like He. Creates this claustrophobic. Austral phobic sort of environment where you feel as if like you're part of it whether you want to be or not you can't shake that right right. That's I'm glad that you had that experience experienced by yourself on your IPAD with my storing wave next to me and I watched I started at like eleven and it was done John It like I dunno one fifteen which is laid from. You usually go to bed earlier that 'cause I wake up early sure and then I can fall asleep really and as fact this like my heart Hart was still kind of like going. It was one of those movies I just felt like I had been through the ringer at nobody talk about it with support groups. Is there anybody I can talk to any home right now. You can talk to me but yeah it's it's really good. You're really good at it. You you know you'll get all the plaudits cinder going to be all deserved deserve but it was a different character than its. You're not this is uh stat. This is like a different person completely. Different care goes through a totally different journey. Yeah Ah we'll talk about more in the end. But I also just want a shot like Calvin Harrison junior who plays my son. Yeah Taylor Russell who plays my daughter like they are really really phenomenal and it and it's their movie. I'm there to support and lift them up but like it was a joy to see the work that they brought to and Lucas Hedges Alexa. Timmy as the two young love interests and my wife to rene lease Roseberry Lake hats off from Hamilton right from Hamilton will. Let's all right so people people have seen. You don't WanNa hear turn off the podcast now. It was great seeing you come back for the afternoon movie. Ron Okay so the craziest thing about this movie you to me is. This doesn't work when it becomes a different movie halfway through. Yeah I'm I'm saying like just in general this is a bad divisor switched switched disaster point. Oh you like this now. We're here we go this way. Yeah it didn't work worked with this. We believe as I was watching. Chan couldn't believe he pulled it off. No it's I'll say this like I was terrified of this movie. Yeah when I first read it Because a young young black man takes a young woman's life halfway through the film and I said is this a movie that's going to be exacerbating an already negative stereotype or is this a movie. That's going to be humanizing. A human being who loses his way makes a terrible mistake but that does not negate his humanity and so I met with trae and I talked on I said I don't no if I can stick with you for the second half film because on the page it is beautiful but my mind is sort of obsessed as a black man with two black sons. Yeah what this. This young man's as did and he's like look. I don't WanNa lose anybody either right. So let's talk about the ways in which you think we can make sure. We maintain our audience from beginning to end and then I talked to Kelvin. Who plays my son as I bro You know? Do you know what you're getting yourself into note to to the listener trae is white right. Yeah he's a young white man. Whatever and this movie is largely autobiographical goes into fictional narrative? But there's a lot of him in it but when he decided to hire Kelvin to play the sun they talked about the script together and Kelvin. got a chance to give his infusion about what it was like to be young black men in Louisiana his father was very much taskmaster and the arena was music. TRAE was a wrestler. His father put a lot of pressure on him to excel in that particular arena and so they blended those two things together to make sure that they did it right when I mean by doing it right. Is that the family's not black just by happenstance but they're black on purpose right I said now. How did this character is black? Like this was a white man young white man. Doing the exact same thing. It would elicit different reaction now that it is a young black man you just need to be cognizant that should may land in a very specific way and once it's in the audience is hands it. You can't do anything about that right. And so he said Yeah. I hear you my dad thinks it's Kinda crazy too but it's a really good part right again man. It's a really good part and he said well should I not do it just is because I am Black House I oh shit. I didn't think I think that that that hit me in a way this like you. So I've been so so fearful of representation and like not representing the community in the right way and you can't ever shoulder that but you sometimes feel that pressure to like make sure like we've had so many negative images of ourselves thrown out as like this is not us. That's not us. That's not us right but now this family is very specific and and they're very an upper middle class family and I know this family right and have a very specific set of problems With the drugs and the household like you know the over over the counter drugs. We're not talking about eliciting but things that you can find at home yet us how you want to like this is the type of shit that happening the pressure that children are feeling the the advent of social media and how that can turn the pressure. The dial up on anything that you're experiencing on a personal level because everybody has a say like and you can see everything at the same as a really important scene with that with the daughter after the incident. Huge huge huge thing was she seeing the repercussions like like how her brother's murder has like impacted her life and like the hate that he's receiving an and she sort of internalizes she just dies inside she totally dies inside and that's the other reason why this movie for me was a was a mess. Was the scene that that Ronald The dad has with emily. The daughter In the fishing read after they go fishing because I think that there are conversations that happen in black households or in communities entities of color. That don't necessarily happen in white families. At least not as early on like the idea that you have to be twice as good a ten times as good to make justice far. Ah The ideas that people are not looking for you to succeed yet. They're looking for reasons to dismiss you right and we're trying not to give them any reason for you to dismiss US right. I think that these are appropriate conversation to be having with your children the short falling of the father. I don't think he ever gives his son the space or the stature to represent himself back. Have a two way conversation ray right like the learning is only going in one way. Thinks he's bonding with them. Just because they're like lifting weights exactly in working wrestling moves at ten ten tonight in the garage but then that actually connecting with them exactly. Yeah so when I was watching it the first forty minutes or so I was going. Oh this is cool. Ten years ago they make this movie and it's away family run but now we're at a place where it's like. It doesn't really matter with the families. It's more about this family but then the movie if you WanNa went on it's like no it actually really does matter that this black short but it takes a while to get there as viewer I thin and then it really a really comes in the second half but it. It's also one of those things to bill. We're like the idea the misnomer that you're talking about is that in order for people people to all universally see themselves within the story the face has to be white right like as a little kid like. Oh Man. Superman would be so cool but all all I had was Clark Kent. You know all you have is Michael Keaton like all these things and now you have Chadwick now you have this family but the biggest compliment is that folks will say like I see myself myself in that family and it doesn't have to be a white face rain for Asian African Latino White to see themselves in it like I think we are getting getting to that place. Where the specificity of the story that were telling whether it's racial or cultural whatnot? Somebody can bond with some aspect of it whether whether they are part of that group or not so this. Move Your Miami. This is weird. 'cause it's nothing like but I feel like it is ordinary people forty years ago. which is this family that it everything seems okay and then it's not yet and it's really not in that move is film completely completely differently? Yeah it's filmed. Superstar Redford actually won best director which. That's his I if you think he lost it. Scorsese lost that year to him for bridgeable. Yeah Yeah it's tough to. Yeah Yeah it's not great but but that go on to the family. Kind of imploding on itself. Yeah reminded me of that era. Made me think it was like the two thousand twenty version of what ordinary people. That's that's wonderful. Roads all the diversity in the music and how it's filmed and it's just so different. Yeah basically the same premise. He's a really that just to point out the differences. He's a very visceral filmmaker. And so you talking about the specific so he changes like the aspect ratio of the film throughout the course of the movie. And it's probably hard to see on the hi Pat. When things start to become claustrophobic? He actually like changing the frame size. And then like when emily finds love with Lucas like things things start to like expand again really. y'All he does some really cool shit man. It's fucking awesome and the music. Even colors colors are rich. Yeah it's it's it's a beautiful thing. It's not just the story. It's the way that he tells the story makes it feel so immersive. It's almost like if you could scratch the screen. You could smell smell like salt water coming from it. You know what I mean that character you play. That's just a great part thanks to you. Grey in it and you have to evolve in this or almost devolve at but just that character gets broken down as the movie goes along the way that really feels legitimate. It feels. I'll say it's an evolution because Like folks would throw around the term toxic masculinity. I don't know exactly what it means in this particular context context but I do know there's this idea of what it means to be. A man can be very narrow. Yeah right you know what I'm saying like even sometimes you'll catch yourself talking to your kids or I don't because I'm cognizant but like people said like a man. Hey quick quick crime be a man. I understand like grow up da dots and so what Ronald is able to do with his daughter out of necessity more than anything else right. A lot of changes borne out of necessity because he literally. He has no one else that he can talk to. Who understands what he's going through right and if he wants to make a connection with his daughter he kind of has to be the change range she wants to see and share himself right? Yeah and when he finally shares himself she does the same thing in turn and I don't think unfortunately fortunately he would have been able to do that with his son without the tragedy. The beauty of the film is that he does learn something from it so like that. The Sun's has gone halfway through the movie and don't throw in the token couple scenes imprisoned like he basically dies as character which is kind of what needs to happen. Yeah even though he's alive. Yep needs to die for us to pay attention everyone else in the move exactly and and if you talk to trae abroad the whole first half of the film is about trying to immerse you into the perspective of Tyler. The music that he uses satellite. It's Tyler's film and the second half of the film is Emily's so wouldn't make sense to back to tyler because now it's emily story. What an awesome Z.? Thanks how optimistic life now. That is really good. How optimistic are you that? It's GonNa find a big audience That's I I really wanted to the podcast. Partly because I want people to see it. Cautiously cautiously optimistic. It's a tough watch right. It's it's something something that hopefully will inspire a lot of conversation. I think that if there is a genre that this movie falls into it's the R. rated family film like like. I didn't think that parents and kids should see it together. There at least fourteen. You know maybe thirteen to twelve of Europe progressive. But like. I think it's something that they could learn a lot. What about each other from because in this day of social media where everybody has a little pocket computer all the time you spend a lot of time in the same space with people? Oh but you're not actually connecting them. You know what I'm saying so I feel like this movie. Is that movie to be like. Oh Fuck we haven't been paying attention ran you know what I'm saying. Children into their parents parents to the children. We haven't been paying attention and hopefully this movie can can can break that wall down. I had good luck with it. Thanks thanks for. This is great thirty six. That's what our thanks to house. Thanks to Sterling K.. Brown don't forget to go see waves. That's awesome thanks to all birds Stylish comfortable sustainable. They come in a wide range of colors inspired by nature variety silhouettes. Keep looking your best in whatever situation. Find Yourself this holiday season. 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