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Monitor Show 10:00 06-18-2020 10:00

Bloomberg Radio New York - Recording Feed

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Monitor Show 10:00 06-18-2020 10:00

"From the financial capital of the world twenty four hours a day at Bloomberg Dot Com on the Bloomberg business, APP and on quick by Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg radio. But this is Bloomberg markets. Glenn and polls sweetie you kind of you. The volatility in the marketplace here downturn for American workers in history. He's across the board across industries, trying to shore up their balance sheets very very disturbing dynamics work breaking market news and insight from Bloomberg experts only to the you can beat up vaccine development of all the dislocations. There's always relative value traits that you could be doing this. Shake recession rather than v-shaped profession. I think. Everyone. Bloomberg markets with Bonnie clan all sweeney on Bloomberg radio massive show for you today over the next two hours. We're going to be speaking with Stephen Roach on the US dollar, and also on the bulletin book, and some of the allegations made about the President in relation to President Xi Jinping of China would also get a market view from Barry Riddles later on, and we'll be speaking with Ron Carey on Valentine's aspirations to bring private equity to the masses. HOW FASCINATING FIRST! Let's get some business stories now with way, Jarod. But I've got to tell you. Stocks are down for a second day. Investors are weighing on the latest employment data and reports about fresh outbreaks of the corona virus in China and in the US. Treasuries are extending their advance. Take a look at the numbers years. We do every fifteen minutes SNP. Two tenths of a percent down seven the Dow's down one half of one percent down one, hundred, twenty seven, and the Nasdaq is little changed up five the ten year. Right now is up eleven thirty seconds the yield.

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Daily Briefing - June 23, 2020

Adventures in Finance: A Real Vision Podcast

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Daily Briefing - June 23, 2020

"Hi I'm row, Pal, the CO founder and CEO Real Vision, this digital revolution, going on this shaping all of our futures and the future of money itself it's a revolution of the financial system of the system value and potentially of society itself. I'm of course talking about the digital asset revolution. It's time for change. I'm so thrilled to announce that on June twenty ninth and thirtieth real vision will be hosting the crypto gathering a virtual experience, unlike any other intrude real vision style. It's going to be something really unique at this two day. Then we're GONNA be exploring many different facets of Crypto from the macro perspective to societal change to Bitcoin theorem and other currencies. Currencies and Tokens to all the new applications being developed defy and much more we're going to have all kinds of interesting formats audience participation throughout the event. It really is going to be different. It's going to be really engaging. We got a hell of a lineup fee to. We'll have over twenty of the biggest names in the industry who are building this future for us all to find out more and buy a ticket. To real dot com for such crypto. If you're paying member well tickets already waiting for you in your inbox and free ticket prices will go up over the coming week so if you're not a real vision Memba. Ticket now and promise you'll not be disappointed. Thanks for listening and I hope to see it the crypto gathering remember it's June twenty ninth and thirtieth, and it's GonNa be epic. Now onto the show. It's Tuesday June twenty third twenty twenty just after market close in New York. This is the real. Vision daily briefing Im ash Bennington in New York joined shortly by our managing editor, Ed Harrison from Washington DC, but first Nicaragua with today's stories. Thanks, Ash Wildcard. agee's ex CEO Marcus Braun had resigned last week after news broke of one point, nine billion euros, or to put one billion dollars went missing from the German Fintech. Company Braun had turned himself in yesterday evening, and is now detained by Munich prosecutors as part of an investigation into the company's accounting practices the scandal now a national embarrassment has led to calls from the government, an act urgent relatively reform. Currently wildcard is in discussions with its creditors, talking about full-fledged Restructuring Marcus Brown was forced to liquidate the majority of a stake wildcard as he pledged four point two million shares in order to secure a one hundred and fifty million year loan in two thousand seventeen. The margin call was triggered as work. Hard stock has plunged over eighty percent since last Wednesday today Germany's Finance Minister of Schultz said quote, auditors regulators don't seem to have been effective here. Here we need to quickly clarify how we have to change our regulatory requirements in order to be able to monitor complex corporate networks across the board promptly and quickly and Katie Schroeder across defense lawyer in Frankfurt, said quote given the numbers. It's certainly the biggest accounting scandal in Germany you'd have to think pretty hard to find a case of such scope and quote on Friday. Ed's going to be speaking to an investor. Who's been right on the money? Money on the story Rodney buoyed a past contributor who's a pioneer in uncovering corporate fraud and one who has been following the wildcard story closely for years Roddy was early in sounding the alarm bells about wildcards use of shell companies to inflate earnings for example wildcard received four hundred fifty million euros from card systems Middle East. FC LLC of subsidiary was a shadowy paper trail, and seemingly as Roddy, alleged only one full time employee in one of Rodney's. Rodney's articles published last year on Wildcard. He said that quote. Few companies can explain their meteoric growth as alluring Lee as Wildcard AG, according to one of his preferred narratives, wildcard presents itself as Europe's leading financial technology innovator, end quote, presenting itself as a bank to quote steadily generate low risk revenue through the sale of integrated banking and credit card processing services to businesses and quote and sell consumer prepaid credit cards. Wildcard software was designed to quote. The friction from electronic payments for both merchants and consumers unquote. In September twenty eighteen wildcard. Ag had displaced Commerce Bank in the decks and index, representing thirty of Germany's biggest companies and by January, twenty nineteen, their market cap was almost twenty four point six billion euros, however, wildcard has been the target of many investigations by reporters, such as Dan mccrum of the Financial Times, and as well as law firms in macron's attempt to uncover the company CD. Practices Boffin. Boffin filed a criminal complaint against F., T., reporters, and shortsellers and ban short selling for two months last year to protect the company from speculators, but it turns out. The speculators were right, so stay tuned for interview on Friday. The story is far from over and now senator to Actionaid. Hey guys. It's Ash Bennington host of the Real Vision daily briefing. Today's episode is brought to you by blinking. Blinking is a really cool APP for your smartphone that lets you consume books in fifteen minutes or less. How does it work well? 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That's blankets spelled B. L. I. N.. K. I S. T. BLINKING DOT com slash real vision to start your seven day free trial, and you can also save twenty five percent, but only when you sign up at blankets dot com slash real vision. THANKS NICK WELCOME BACK Good to see looking good. Thank you sir. Why are you're supposed to say looking good Lewis beyond? That goes on trading places right I know I love that we are just so fired up to talk about wire card. What is going on? Yeah, I thought that wildcard thing was good. WE'RE GONNA BE Talking Rodney. Boyd and I think that really at the end of the day. The Germans are really thinking a lot about wire card. And what's all over the news? When I look at Honda's blog, which is a German newspaper that I read every other story it. It seems is about is about wire card in the same is true in many other dailies in Germany that they're talking about. Here's an interesting quote for you. That I think gets at the whole issue. This from John Kenneth Galbraith says the great crash. Nineteen twenty nine. Here's what he said he said to the economist. Embezzlement is the most interesting crimes alone among the various forms of Larceny. It has a time parameter weeks, months or years may elapse between the commission. Commission of the crime and its discovery this is a period incidentally, when the embezzler has his gain in the man who has been embezzled oddly enough feels no loss. There's a net increase in psychic wealth at any given time there exists in inventory of undiscovered embezzlement in or more precisely, not end the country's business and bags this inventory it should be perhaps be called Basil amounts at any moment to many millions of dollars. It also varies in size with the business cycle. Cycle and good times people are relaxed. Trusting and money is plentiful, but even though money is plentiful there always many people who need more under these circumstances, the rate of embezzlement grows the rate of discovery falls off, and the battle increases rapidly in depression. All this is reversed. Money watched with a narrow suspicious I the man who handles it is assumed to be dishonest until he proves himself otherwise audits are penetrating. A meticulous commercial morality is enormously improved the basil shrinks. So. That's exactly the situation that we find ourselves in now. The is shrinking. Brilliant stuff ed brilliant stuff, a net increase in psychic wealth, a temporary net increase in psych wealth, the great professor gall breath a to frame the story for people who haven't been following it as closely as I know, you have odd because it's obviously, it's a German story. What is happening with wire wildcard? And why is it so significant? So what was happening? Is that wire card is a roll up that is it's a company that got large as result of many acquisitions at some point in time around two thousand and fifteen Dan mccraw, mom, who is a reporter at the Financial Times, came across the what he called anomalous and started to report on them, and over time you know. He kept on reporting on them and other people. Pick them up, but nonetheless. Roll ups continued and what it turned out is is that there was all sorts of phony accounting going on during this period of time booking fake revenue and No one really cared. Because The Times. We're good. We're in a bull market. It was only later. When they found out that in two thousand nineteen, and and just recently that definitely definitely there was fraud, the particularly in the Asian roll ups that they did in India and elsewhere, and so it's a perfect example of how the business cycle works that. Companies like WorldCom Enron? They can get through many years where they're doing all sorts of phony things, but only when the tide goes out when the economy goes down, do people start to really question and that's what happened to wire card. It's a perfect example of how it works every cycle. You know when the tide goes out. You get to see who has no clothes on. Yes, go as Warren Buffett pithily summed up. Perhaps Professor Galbraith for those of you who aren't familiar with with the company itself on the operation side. It's Fintech. Play to German. Fintech play effectively while wire card was doing e commerce, doing some white label coating that would allow allegedly in power companies of all sizes to end that e commerce functionality in their websites. I was struck actually by Roddy, boys description, but I read a piece that he wrote. In April where he effectively describes it as really a point of national pride in Germany over a combination of Google J. P. Morgan. In, you know the reason is is because I think it's two fold. It's it's manifold access because the Germans don't have equity culture. the first time they did have an equity culture was during the Neuer markt period, which was at the during the Internet bubble, and that exploded with a lot of embezzlers and phoniness that went on. People lost their shirts there and so. This is a point of pride for them. Particularly when you think about facebook Amazon, Google all those names are all American. They wanted to said look. You know. We have our technology companies to that. We're innovating. We're doing fintech there you go, and this was a very big company, and so they were very proud of that fact, but now it's all gone pear-shaped and you know the recrimination has begun. We saw that the CEOS step down. He was arrested and he was released on bail. Just recently. I think that. We have a long way to go before this is over likely bankruptcy and it's going to be very difficult. Yup, now seems like a great deal of the innovation and creativity was happening on the accounting side of the business I think this is probably especially a painful for for Germans if if you don't have friends in the German business community, the idea of standards of following the rules of doing things, the proper way is incredibly important value in German culture generally, but especially in German business culture. Yes so I think it's A. It's a Blau Alga as they would say. That the basically, it really tarnishes the image of Germany as a place to do business as a place that has rectitude in terms of how they perform their functions, so the German presses all over this. Asking what went wrong. It's it's certainly with similar to what happened with the Gutersloh thing that we talked about yesterday. Because the Germans take it very seriously that they do the necessary. Things in order to make sure that they keep this virus under control. They feel like we're taking all the necessary steps, so it's a it's a a black eye for them to to have this sort of outbreak very similar kind of mindset it on both levels. Yeah and almost the mirror images of each other appoint a point of national pride about how well the healthcare system and employing things in a very rural based standardized way based on not based on real data, help the country and then, and then this as you say a black guy. Exactly, you know interestingly just put putting this in context. The market up today. remarkable You know I think that. As I've been saying I believe that we're on the cost. BUB, some ructions here and the market's taking all of these kinds of things in stride. Nothing can stop the market. The Fed has your back. Really people are saying the reopening is proceeding Apace. My belief is it has nothing to do with the narrative at the end of the day. Really the market internals are such that. Things, have they a rolling stone gathers no moss. You have animal spirits, gathering and people are just a piling in the Fed has unleashed the animal spirits, and in the midst of what I would consider a depression. We're seeing. The Nasdaq hit new all time highs just before we went on, I was looking at some of these shares facebook for instance trading at a thirty four multiple thirty four times P alphabet trading at thirty multiple. You know you look at Microsoft trading at a thirty five multiple I mean. These are nifty fifty or internet bubble levels of of numbers. That can't be justified if you'd think back to nine hundred ninety, nine two thousand people were talking about certain certain companies like this. Let's say Microsoft trading at sixty seventy times earnings and they were trying to justify that. Now we're talking about Microsoft. Four trillion dollar market CAP company trading at thirty five times earnings. It's there's no justification that you can make given the level earnings that Microsoft is likely to have in terms of growth, but It's it's a bubble, pure and simple. It's driven by the Fed is driven by liquidity, and it will end very badly. Yeah you. You make some excellent points there definitely things that I've been thinking about as well Amazon closes up by almost two percent of the day one point, eight six percent apple up to percent two point one three percent have some of this a tailwind on the switch from Intel to proprietary technology. But still look you know we had a day. Where were these? The tech stocks were up at their peak about two percent. Yes, and P was up about one percent on the day then I gave back a bit. You know we. We closed up on Nasdaq a point, zero point, seven four percent, and up on the SNP, zero point four three percent to the thirty one thirty one level on the SNP and I should say Nasdaq closed above ten thousand once again at ten, thousand, one thirty one, so you know everything you said at this question about the richness of these valuations on an earnings basis, and the secular push that this market is getting from the Fed. Yeah and so I think it goes back to the question that. Hugh Hendry was asking. Richard Vanna? He was asking him Ken the Ken the the Fed bully. Its way through this can it just provide wild liquidity, and everything goes up and they can override the business cycle now. Let's say that maybe they could in and I if the cove nineteen virus didn't come back, but the problem is the biggest problem is is all this is happening just at a time when we. We have absolutely must remain numbers in terms of the virus, which is the thing that caused the depression to begin with, so we saw an absolute terrifying drop. We're in the midst of a a surge up not to the same levels, but now because we're releasing out of the lockdown. We're seeing I the number of Kobe. Cases go up dramatically in the United States then we're seeing the number of hospitalizations go. Go up now dramatically as well and then soon probably will see the number of deaths. Go Up and along with that will be the consumer reaction. I was talking to David Rosenberg about just this today. That's a video that we hope will be able to release on Thursday and he was saying. You know it's interesting to think that on. It was February that we saw the peak in the. That's when the. The recession happened. That's when the peak of the cycle was. The NBA are the National Bureau of Economic. Research dated the recession from February. Not March when we shut down but February. So what it says is consumers react to the circumstances. They saw what was going on. And they pull back already from the peak in February, the exact same thing is going to happen now and I believe that that means that. Despite the wall of liquidity that we're seeing despite the bubbalicious a activity, the animal spirits inequities. You know the data. Are GonNA roll over? And that's going to have a very pernicious effect on economic growth in their therefore on shares, and it's just a matter of time before that affect comes in because the numbers are so dramatically increasing, it has to have that effect. You, know eat. You absolutely read my mind. That was exactly the direction that I was going as well back in the real world. We had Dr Foudy testifying before Congress as a quote, disturbing surge close quote California Arizona, see their largest daily increases in the history of the crisis. Florida rose ten percent. Obviously, these are two of the most populous states in the country. In thirty one states now are reporting are not numbers. That's the of people that every person transmits to above one that means the virus is growing. By the way let me just says just as an aside even though I do think the Germans will get it under control. When I mentioned Gutersloh, there are a few other outbreaks There was something in Berlin that There was I believe something in Munster which is another part of northland best von, which is the same state that goose. Lausanne and might send basically is that. The are not on Monday was two point seven right? It was supposed to be below once. We have a massive increase in Germany so for them You know they've locked down Gutersloh they've locked down one of the city's. That's really close by, and they really want to get this under control by contrast in the United States you see these numbers going up. We're not talking about the the factors here, but even so. You're not even wearing masks you know. Many of these governors in Texas Greg, Abbott, he's not saying that you. You must wear a mask. dissenters in Florida he's not making any sort of mandates in the same way, the Germans are so. It's almost guaranteed that you're going to see an increase. South Carolina's another state that I should mention that myrtle beach has seen an absolute mushrooming of cases, and that's only for the three hundred thousand people that live there. You know. They get forty times as many people coming to Myrtle beach. Every year as actually lived there and their occupancy rate went from something like six percent in April, two seventy four percent in May and June, and that's only a little bit down from eighty one percent this this time, normally so all those people you know went to south to Myrtle beach where the virus was rampant, and then they went back to their places, their homes in Ohio Kentucky other places, and they're spreading the virus in those places as well so we have an absolute epidemic level of increases in this is going to have a very chilling effect on. Irrespective of what kind of lockdowns you you do and I don't really think that you're gonNA. Get the sort of massive lockdown big just because of the economic impact, but nonetheless last we're going to see a an extreme pullback in in consumption. Yeah, I know you want to talk about the w shaped recovery. How do you tie all this together? When you look at the recovery, the pandemic itself markets and the underlying macroeconomic conditions. What's the common narrative? He has to look at it. As in the pandemic drove the the w down on the first leg, the lockdown way down to create the W. The reopening created a snapback part of that was. Was Pent up demand, but part of that was moving backup to near the levels that we had before, and now before we can start to trickle op back towards the levels where we started in February were seen a second wave. If you will some people like Foudy, he's calling it a continuation of the first wave, but I would consider it almost a second way, and the reason being is, it's not. Unlike Germany and in Europe where the the reopen. And they haven't really seen the spike in numbers that we've seen in the United States. We've seen the spike. Because social distancing behavior has been relaxed. That's a way that is if you look at the numbers for. As an example the numbers are very similar to what you saw a New Jersey or New York in March in terms of the infection rate. Per Thousand. Per Thousand People, and so that's going to cause the second leg of the w down and only once. People feel that that's under control. Will we see things? Go back up again. So that's how it really is. I, think that what we've seen in other pandemics in the past would research has shown is that it's actually the pandemic that causes the economic recession, not the reaction this this particular recession is very different, because never have we seen such complete lockdown before, but we're now getting the economic reaction from the pandemic itself That's going to be the secondary relapse. That's GONNA cost the middle of the W. Two to start to see a roll over I would imagine you could call it. To recessions because the snapback is so large you know, normally you don't see the NBA are call recession as it did so quickly after the event so I believe the snapback is so large that they're gonNA call the end of the recession and that if we roll over and go into recession again, it won't actually be one long recession. It be two distinctive vets lawn, which was very sharp in short and the other one, which is more pronounced you know at you make such a critical distinction there the notion that the slowdown. Slowdown the recession isn't caused by an economic reaction. It isn't caused by animal. Spirits is caused by damage that the virus is doing to the economy itself. It suggests that it's not something weekends or combat our way through there is just an inherent contraction that's going to occur in economic activity as a consequence of the physical implications of the pandemic right. Yeah, and they've they've modeled that for the pandemic sixty eight, the pandemic fifty seven that model for the pandemic of nineteen eighteen, and they've looked at all sorts of episodes like this. There is just a natural disaster wave in a in a in a of influenza or a pandemic like this of this magnitude, and so as a result That's where we're GONNA. That's what we're GONNA say it's not quite the level of of lockdown, but it's still very dramatic. Yes, you know. We were speaking earlier about one of my favorite videos thus far this week. The Brent Johnson Lynn Alden video where a continuation of something that brands been talking about for some time now on religion, which is the dollar milkshake theory out? What are your thoughts on that? I'm not as a well-versed in terms of what Brent says about dollar milkshake, but I do think it's interesting about I saw that Stephen Roach was talking about the dollar falling He was talking about the dollar fall in much thirty five percent DX, Y you know in a trade. trade-weighted adjusted basis so I I find that to be extreme I. Don't know what would cause the dollar to fall thirty five percent. Unless you're. You're not thinking about a dollar. Smile a you know I think the dollar smile has a lot of validity that is is that the dollar is strong when. Everything is weak and everyone wants the dollar. The dollar when other countries are outperforming relatively speaking. That's when the dollar is weak. Perhaps that would be the case that he expects a the the US, too because the US will resume its role as The world's. Debtor nation. That somehow will be weak relative to Europe or Japan or China and. I don't I don't see that I. Don't buy into that as the outcome so. Much more much more likely to believe that the pandemic will reassert itself in a way that causes a liquidity crunch. Down the line, and that that will cause the dollar to be higher. People will want dollars so much more on Brent Johnson side in in that regard. Yeah, you know I in some senses. It's fascinating because Brent Johnston Stephen Roach homeless are two opposite Poles. In this argument. You know the basic premise of the dollar milkshake. Is the US has straw and it's going to suck up assets from elsewhere. In the world, original reasons that the Johnson gave as the primary drivers at least where US tightening monetary policy, rising rates in the US while the world was loosening and and but he goes on to say that tightening was never the only reason I think touches on some of the points that you're alluding to which is the US is a global. Global. Superpower our control the sea lanes we have historically at least the last month, or so notwithstanding along a tradition of a rule of law, and still do on a relative basis compared the rest of the world. We control the Global Monetary System in global capital flows with the deepest and most liquid capital markets in the world, and and of course as you as you said at the biggest consumer economy driven by this massive this massive. Glut of dollar debt that the world needs to make trade flows work in terms of the the dollar, the dollar settlement of international loans. Stephen Roach very much the opposite argument. You know it's interesting I read roaches original Bloomberg op Ed piece that he wrote and the basis of his arguments something he calls the the Tina idea which is, there is no other alternative and that's been a something that we've thought for a long time. Brent Johnson makes argument. You make that argument in some. In some permutations, the impression that I got was that Roach is obviously a someone who has had a very long and extremely distinguished career I Morgan Stanley. And now I believe at. and I got the impression from reading that piece of he was looking back over this long and distinguished career and kind of issuing a warning. A, warning to all of us, saying guys don't get complacent. The United States is not the only productive economy in the world, just because the the the dollar has been the backbone of international financial and monetary system as since Bretton, woods. It doesn't mean that will always be the case. A. In that warning I sent a certain degree of politicisation of his economics meaning that. If you're an investor in you're thinking about. How do I play this? You have to be very careful because he has alterior motive and that's always difficult when you're thinking about timeframes in which to to look at that because I think yes, there is no alternative over the short term for sure that means that this whole concept of a thirty five percent reduction is very much a a tail risk case that I don't see panning out. I see more likely a liquidity crunch in which people want dollars panning out with the dollar being still the reserve currency, also the currency of debtors who need dollars and therefore will. Will will bid for dogs and again I think it's like a a a dog with the tail. Wagging the dog that is is that the capital count is driving the current account Stephen Roach is making it seem as if you know the US, profligate and you know people don't save I would say it's actually the excess savings of other countries. People wanting dollars. The reason that they're saving excesses is because they want dollars. They want to use the world's reserve currency, and that drives the current account, so the capital is driving the current account. Stephen Roach is making it seem as if the current account is driving the capital cal and. By his argument. Yup. All important points but I think you really hit the nail precisely on the head when you talk about the distinction in the different time France, you know. This is something that we've talked about in the show as being so crucial branch. Johnson is making a tactical tradeable argument. He saying he has this view whatever the precise time horizon he views it on, and he has this particular position that he seems to believe for a series of reasons is a reasonable place to think about now Stephen Roach is doing something very different. He's looking at this from a from a grand strategic perspective from. One Hundred Years of US history perspective and I got the impression that he was more making a global policy recommendation rather than a tactical analytic view of a particular asset market in this case at currencies and in the US dollar. Yeah, that would agree with that. He is much more of an economist in this case, even though obviously, he used to market economist at Morgan Stanley Really of what he is doing. He's talking about You know economic policy more than markets in this case. Yup I agree with that completely at as always a great conversation, markets macro corona virus, a little bit of and deep dive on the dollar. As always asked, looking good billy ray. Looking good. Randolph is no it Louis. Keep step night. Thanks again ed you. Oh. Phone.

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 1

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 1

"As gentlemen. Welcome to and. Wanting. Well, this is very exciting. It is Wednesday January sixteen two thousand and nineteen. And this is a brand new program that we are offering to all of you, perhaps I should say the beat goes on my friends. This is a new little thing that we're doing and I'm very excited about it. It's the return of the roundtable each and every Wednesday, we will be talking with fellow Emma may reporters about the beat about the sport about everything that's going on in the sport of mixed martial arts. And as we all know, there's never a dull moment a lot of things are going on constantly in this sport. I'm very excited about this. I am area. Honi? Thank you so much for watching. We're calling this the mayor reporters, by the way because your call many moons ago. I said that one of my favorite shows was the sports reporters that shows no longer with us. But I think it's one of the greatest shows of all time. And I think that the business of covering MA is a fascinating world, and I wanna keep this going. So this is the mayor reporters, I hope. If you enjoyed I hope you're happy that we are back, and I'm very excited to get things kicked off. All right. Let's introduce the panel for this week. I'm being joined to my right. You can't see us. But trust me, he is to my right. He is the longest tenured and mayor reporter at this company. Bredahl commode. I'm right. Correct. Noted been here longer than you for a long time. I was the only one only shortlists true that short list out on the house, welcome. Yeah. No. Thank you. It's nice to be here in person and mazing that you were able to secure a budget to fly out here every week to record this. As quite amazing know, listen, it's a big it's a big time for the company in the sport. It's a it's an important on is falling from the sky to do these thought. And I'm actually going to ask you about that in a quick second. But let me just say Hello to my old friend, Jeff wagon Heim. Who's also joining us. It has been awhile since we talked Jeff it's good to see you again. And I can't confirm for everyone at home. You are rocking a Hawaiian shirt. Yes. Even even when his only audio is still have to like, hold true. I would wear a hat. To in HAMAs to another old friend, but we'll leave that for another day, speak all modules, if this is indeed the reporters than I would like you to refer to me as Bob Ryan. And I will bring my voice up to a much higher gas the rest of you want. It's your world. Jeff. Okay. So obviously, this is a very exciting time for the sport. It's I've seen exciting time for all of us who cover the sport at ESPN because on Saturday. It will be the very first you have seen ESPN plus card. It's TJ Dilshad versus Henry Suharto. I'm assuming if you listen to this podcast, you know, about the particulars, you know, about the details of this card. So let me ask you Bret you've been covering the sport for this company for almost a decade. Right. Eight nine years at this point two thousand eleven was I started how would you describe your feelings? Your thoughts on the Wednesday before the Saturday card after covering the sport here for so long. And let's on us ups and downs. Right. Sometimes you have to fight for real estate's. You have to fight for acceptance. Yeah. Here you are after being here for so long. And now seeing how excited the company is and how big this debut is this must be. A little surreal is not. I would argue that has to be the most real for me of anybody involved in this entire thing. And maybe that's a little biased. And maybe I'm speaking a little too highly of myself right now are only looking at through it from my lens. But for the last seven years, I mean, if the listeners had any idea, and look I'm not saying that I was out here and ESPN didn't care about what we were doing. But as far as trying to do different things and trying to relate to them. How important some things were. And some of the story lines that we did. And part of my job was selling myself and selling our content and asking them to put it up and asking them to to to invest money into it instant, send me a camera crew to go out. And do this thing, you know, there were projects where there was no video to go along with it not because I didn't want there to be video along with just because he was not where ESPN's interests were now the complete opposite and the amount of content and the amount of cool stories and breaking news. And I mean, just that must see moves thing that you saw online that just went out yesterday that. Is a type of stuff that I've been asking to do for seven years. And now he's is asking me to do it. So it's like a beautiful beautiful. Do you ever think that this would happen that ESPN would be the exclusive television home of the u of c in the United States? I absolutely one hundred percent did not I guess no curb by there. Especially because let's be let's be real. There was some people just company that just didn't like it for a long to. And so it's hard to think like, oh, yeah, we're going to have you on ESPN someday? When you knew that not only were not interested in it. But they actually disliked it, you know, in the mood has changed. There are people on in every company in the media, though, have who have demonstrated a dislike for the sport at some level. And you know, it's funny. I wasn't here. But I thought that he has PM was going to get on board back when they had the live show. Jon attic was hosting for quite some time. And they I thought at some point that that was going to translate into the next time that that you have see rights when up to bid that ESPN is going to jump in. And of course, it went. They went over to FOX for a while which was kind of like bringing up closer to the major leagues because they were sort of an outpost of Fox Sports network that didn't really exist the time. But now they've really they really. Really upped the ante Lodden to support with Brett saying I've been here at the company for the last two and a half years. But for most of that time until let just last few months, I was not working in the side of things and just didn't seem like there was a need to to bring somebody else over to help out. And even when I did start to do something. I may stuff it was mostly just filling in and then shortly thereafter, the the announcement came that this was happening, and I will say that I've been here in Bristol today and yesterday, and I got almost no no work at all done at my desk because I've been in constant meetings. Talking to this person talking to that person everything getting button-down for the Saturday. The the the amount of commitment that that folks here have to the sport if you're in MMA fan, and I'm sure you are if you're listening to this you should be really happy to know that the the biggest entity in sports media is really behind right now. Yes. Compare for you to FOX. Oh my God. It's drastically different. Is it really? He is any notes. So interesting is a great question because I was there for the launch. Right. So I see the way both are being launched on these new entities. The amount of resources that ESPN is giving an investing in the sport. Compared to what FOX did is night and day FOX, really as you said, they used the you have C to launch f s one in for a while they used it to prop up fuel TV. They didn't really invest all that much else in it. They didn't hire a ton of people for the website. They had one other show that was you have see tonight that was just an hour here. There's so many more research so much more programming platform more than a partner right at and look, of course. In their defense. You know, the time that FOX took the sport over there was the sport was in a way different place. I was no kinda McGregor. You know, Ron Arousa all those players that elevated the sport into a really a crossover thing that where people who, you know, my friends people in my generation who are huge sports fans. They didn't really care about the sport at all. They kind of looked at it the way that John McCain, you think about it just kind of like, why would you be interested in that stuff? But folks, like rows -i, and then then McGregor just brought things to different level. Where people who I still I marvel when I see people who I have known for for decades. And they'll ask me how's that kind of Gregor coming along. And it's like, wow, you guys are interested now. And so I I think the sport has has has ended up in a whole different place. And that's one of the things that's kind of exciting about being here because ESPN obviously can give it a a huge platform. And it's sport has kind of grown to a place where it can fill that huge platform. So when the UC. I went to FOX I think a lot of viewed it as a graduation of sorts like, okay, they've gone from cable TV to now Fox Broadcasting corporation. And this was going to be the on. They'll be household names and whatnot the deals over and we're moving out to the peon ehre. I don't think that really happened. Right. Like, I don't think that the FOX deal turned out the way they thought it was going is anyone of FOX creation in the sport. Like, they put DJ on FOX cards at least three times. They Benson Henderson a bunch of times. Like, no one I think really benefited from the FOX partnership, you know, knock on FOX. I just don't think it turned out the way they thought it would. No. I mean, what what you're speaking of. No like, FOX was not a star creator. If that's what you're saying. But I think they thought and wanted it to be right right in that in that regard fell short. I think just in general. I mean, just having a presence on on a network like us one which. At least at least one that you would see in a bar, and it was just kind of put in front of you more. Right. I think that's certainly felt more professional felt like a graduation, spike. Right. So I think just the overall sentiment and the overall feeling towards MA as like, oh, this is kind of like on the spike channel. It it grew up from the sport grew up a little bit on on FOX's airwaves. But no, it's not turn into this thing where it just started to generate and build a ton of guys like that that part of it was let me let me just finish. My thought before you to want to say that I feel a ready, and I don't feel like I'm being biased here. Like seeing Henry pseudo on I take feels like what they want it to happen with FOX's happening already. I you already start to see the dividends being paid off for this deal. Having these guys go on shows like that or PTI or having them on sportscenter to me will start to actually create stars like keep walking past TV? And there's another you have see highlight. There's another TJ dillashaw on sportscenter this big. And I feel like I'm the newest one in the company, right? Who's covering the sport? And for me. It's like it's still feels like I can't believe is actually cares about MA after all these years, and I really feel like the fighters are actually going to they are going to experience the biggest difference in all of this. They are going to become stars. And I think what they thought was going to have with FOX is actually going to happen. This time around that was that was basically where what I was getting at there only thing I was going to add was I thought that the the thing that the biggest star maker aspect of that that you're at FOX of the fighters was not what happened with the gloves on. But what happened when those guys were doing what we're doing right now talking to a microphone, right? Who would appoint we always knew the dominant. Cruise was a brilliant guy inside the cage. But who knew that he was even more brilliant in front of a microphone me. He can analyze a fight in ways that that just astound me. Now, you cornea huge huge personality. Not just you know. His his athletic achievements, speak for themselves. But but the personality that he conveys them. He is as good as anybody and just kind of exuding that almost you know, Michael Strahan, Terry Bradshaw guy. That's kinda fun guy to sit. And listen to aside from the fact that he really knows a sport. But he just has that kind of that kind of personality. So these guys I think that where some of the these guys really made advances the ones who who actually joined the other side. That's a great point. You're actually hundred right because those roles didn't exist in the spike garrison, then let me ask you guys about the debut because I think a lot of people are probably listening to this down. Like, oh, are we gonna get sixty minutes of fawning over the UFC Comey is answer? Is yet woke us all say this. I feel like this card falls short a little bit. When I heard that the, you know, the company SPN who was starting January nineteenth. I was like. Wow. What are they gonna do? Right. They had the heavyweight title for the first FOX card, right? This is this is going to be something special for the first ESPN card, regardless of its ESPN one. Two plus news. I don't care the first one you've got to come out strong. The main event is great, right? It's phenomenal. They're not big draws. But for the hardcore is I think we love this fight the rest is a little thin, right? I think it could have been better. And I think especially with the cancellation of two thirty three which was supposed to have an X week. They had an opportunity to make it better. And so I don't wanna say I'm disappointed because the main event is awesome. And it's pay per view worthy. But I do feel like it's a thin card, and it's not the car that I was expecting my crazy here. Jeff. Well, I was gonna say that. I heard you earlier today, I think it was on with Stephen and max, and you were talking about how surprise you're that. Greg hardy is in in the Coleman that I was just sitting there shaking my head thinking this. The whole reason guy exists is to be in Komen events. I mean to be it's about being a big name athlete from a mainstream sport. And and yeah, of course, he's got a lot of a lot of reasons to dislike him, but that's. That sort of that was my take he's with the decision to Dominican. Perspective. I think that I think the idea of him even being here is I mean as I've said on many occasions public labs Harbison unpublished. I've I've written on a couple of occasions about stuff that I don't think the guy belongs in the, and I certainly didn't think you belong on a card that also had a woman who was who who was involved in a domestic assault case that was as a lot of people use the term Tom deaf. And I think that's a really good good term for it. However from the perspective, and you know, frankly, I, you know, to speak truthful, you know, even from ESPN's perspective ESPN is trying to sell subscriptions to ESPN ESPN. Plus and one of the ways do to put two champions in the main event. But as you said, they're not not the huge issue just names in the sport. But you get a guy who was a Pro Bowl defensive back defensive end who was essentially banished from the NFL. People are gonna wanna see me go in there. And do something or maybe go in there and get beat up, and they're going to be some casual sports fans who may not even know how great pseudo and dillashaw are and they might just sign on just because they want to see this guy. Look the card could be better could be deeper. Of course, it could if you're a hardcore fan, and you're looking at this car I've seen better cards, and this is this is the launch. I mean, you can definitely make that argument. I'm okay with it because we have forty two events to fill this. Right. You know? And and as you as you both know timing plays a whole big role in this. And there was some circumstances with several guys that they wanted to get on a car that didn't want to be on the card or they couldn't be on the car because of injuries or whatever. I mean, I think that that there were options explored that ultimately, we're not seeing on this card, but I think actually kind of like the way it works out, especially with the main event because I love that Henry who don't teach dillashaw getting the rubber. They're getting right now because you knew that he is going to blow out from a promotional standpoint and coverage standpoint. Whatever the main that was and I I'm how legitimately happy for a guy like Henry who's fights at hundred twenty five pounds happy for a guy like TJ dillashaw who lost his title, very close decision. Dominick cruz. Wait, two years to get a rematch. I mean, this is kind of making up for some of those things, and when I was having some conversations with managers and fighters, you know, months ago this question got brought up like, well, how important is it to be on the first ESPN card is cool. But would we rather be on pay per view rather be on this or that? And I think at least for the main event like these guys are getting value out of this. I mean, this this was very very cool, and very very real the value that they're pulling from being the main event on this card, and I'm happy to see it go to the to that it's going to how do you feel about Greg hardy being on debut card? Look at the end of the day. Like, I don't I don't care about my personal feelings about Greg hardy being in the sport anymore. Like, I kind of feel like that's an irrelevant question at this point. Because everybody knows now what great. Well, I mean, we don't know exactly what happened, but we know the store. Right. And some people have thoughts on it. Some people have different thoughts on and those are going to change. So we could sit around here and talk about whether it's right or wrong. But at the end of the day were just talking circles. I mean, this is just it's a polarizing topic. Right. I'm more interested in now. Because of who he is and because of the way in which they're using him. And he's being rushed. I mean. But he's also got a lot of natural talent. I mean from sporting perspective. I'm I'm I am intrigued to see how he does. I will say that. But as far as like trying to speak to okay, look, I don't think he should be the main event, I think that that I think that that's almost kinda disrespectful to summit to two guys who've been fighting for longer than a year, you know, but as far as my personal feeling towards him as an athlete, I'm interested. I wanna see how he does I do. And so I agree with you like the train has left the station on Greg hardy the enemy fighter. It's been a reality for quite some time. You could have talked about this when he went on the contenders series. He has three pro fights under his belt. Let alone three amateur fights as well. So I don't think that that's the big question anymore to me. It was just the two parter afterwards. It was a putting him on the debut. Because look, you're doing interviews. You're right. We shouldn't be spending this much time talking about Greg hardy. He's not a mixed martial arts fighter. He's trying to become one. But let's be honest if the Saint Louis or they're not the same Louis Ceram anymore. The LA Rams of the Dallas Cowboys of the Buffalo Bills. Call them today. He wants to go back to the NFL. He can't go back to the NFL. So he's doing this. God bless you your China. You're trying to make a living. But I don't believe that if the UFC ESPN deal was starting in twenty thousand let's say starting in twenty twenty I don't believe he's in the UFC Berkley. They're expedited him, so I think it's almost bums me out that we have to talk about and we should be celebrating. The fact that UC finally made it to ESPN that Disney is in the business. We don't need to be talking about Greg hardy, and I feel like this was forced and it shouldn't have happened. And I also feel like partout after knowing what happened to Rachel ostrich. You shouldn't have done that. That was a tone deaf decision that part that part was terrible. That part tone-deaf almost doesn't go far enough to to describe that. I mean, it's just a bad decision. It's it's just in bad taste, but I wanna give. Jeff an opportunity because he was saying earlier, which which surprised you, and I think it's a prize me to that. You were kind of saying that you understand that putting them in the Komeda then and that you get surprised and what kind of like if that fight reloaded in the card. Do you think that the overall interest in this card as a whole would be lower? Because we we wouldn't be talking about him as much wouldn't be combing event. Well, I think that what I'm really thinking talking about as him being on the on the ESPN, plus the part of the card will you have to have plus in order to watch him. Right. Couldn't be the command could be six fights on that on that main card. So it could win the first fight in the main card. Maybe that would've been better would have solved both those problems. But I guess my point is I'm never I had almost the opposite opinion that you do that. I'm still really pissed off at this guy is is has his platform that he's and I feel like I also grew air that it's unfortunate. We have to talk about the guy, but it would be a disservice to not talk about the fact that he's in on this card in a fight. However, setting all that aside from omen and saying, okay, he's there I feel like in any fight card. The placement of fighters is promotion is is is advertising is is trying is TV business. It's not really I don't look at it as the fight business. If someone I know that there used to be a time when the up see always if they had two title fights, always have the heavier fighters. Heavier champion defend would be in the main event and the lighter champion would be lower. There was a kind of a hierarchy that was followed. And I've kind of lost that in Phil like, well, the the promotion has kind of gone away from that. And I feel like it's it's just how you going to sell tickets how you going to sell pay per view, or in this case how you going to get people to sign up for ESPN. Plus, that's really what the placement of these fights really comes down to what do you make of the way he handles it all from a PR perspective because let's be honest when you look at him in the cage, he is a frightening fellow right? Like, he just has. This look on his face. And you're like, whoa. And I don't think I'm speaking a turn here given his past it sort of makes you feel a little uncomfortable. Right. I mean, this man, I think he calls himself the prince of war. I mean, the whole thing just at times makes your skin crawl a little bit. And then. It never feels at least to me. And I think you were there right when he won contender series of Vegas. So were you in that scrum? He obviously, look he's done. The interviews about it. And I think he doesn't wanna keep rehashing it, and there is something to that. But it never feels when he's talking at least for my perspective. And I'm not face to face with him. I think tomorrow will have an opportunity to see him face to face at the media day in never feels like there is compassion. When he speaks about trying to turn a new page trying to be a different person or understanding why people feel certain way, and I look on his Instagram. And there's a lot of things about the haters. These like, you really not get why people feel the way they do about you. And sometimes I feel like when you try to fight fire with fire in these cases from a PR perspective. It doesn't work maybe sitting down and being a little more. I don't know. And I'm not his PR manager. And like he doesn't have to listen to me. But just trying to take off the journalists head for a second. I I wanna hear something from the like. Yeah. You do feel bad about what happened? Clearly, something has happened in your past you had issues you're not in the NFL anymore. I wanna feel like you feel something here, and I never feel that out of him. No. You don't you don't. But I mean at this point. When are you going to know ever, I'm speculating here, man? So I don't know. But but I would imagine that that he when when he fell he addressed it. And then you know, how these guys are. And you know, how people are in those types of situations. Like, okay, I'm done with the now, I've addressed it. I am moving all in my life. I don't care if other people do, you know, and and I as an individual is a PR manager, my tell him to think of slightly different that, you know. Hey, I get that that you moved on pass from this. And that it for you. It's healthy to to just kind of like separate that. And now, it's it's like you don't need to address it anymore. You need to go back there. But maybe four, you know, your own sake, you should. And maybe here's a way in which to do it. I mean, if I was his PR guy. That's what I would be telling him. But at this point. I don't think it's going to happen. I mean, he's had opportunities. And so this is just how it is. And I think you're right it infuriates people more. And I think a lot of people feel what you're feeling but didn't gonna happen with Greg hardy. I guess he's just the villains long. He's in this sport. That's what's going to be the poll to him. Yeah. And you know looking. His past. We know what we we've gone over his past with a fine tooth comb. And we know that he has not expressed any kind of remorse at least publicly that I've known of. And that's the kind of thing that that probably played a role in him being banished when the NFL NFL has a different kind of an image. They you know, when the video comes out of Ray rice, suddenly that guy is gone forever. The NFL has a different way of looking at things combat sports. Hey, who's the who's the the greatest boxer of our generation Floyd Mayweather how many times was he convicted of domestic violence more than one. I don't remember the number. But it certainly was was multiple times. He was convicted of and and he would say things like where the pictures where the pictures well in hardest case, you know, the website published. I think four dozen photographs of of of the woman who who accused him of his of domestic violence, and he was originally convicted. And of course after rec- after after. After having a a civil settlement with her. She disappeared was not able to be available to prosecutors to participate in the in the appeal and the appeal then resulted in him having his case thrown out. So, you know, he walks around as in the legal system as an innocent, man. But you know, those who have who've seen all these stories and seeing the photographs and and heard the stories about this. We have maybe a little different opinion about it. Do you think that the conversations actually stopped because that's and I wanna make it clear that I get we should always bring it up. I do feel that way and their fans out there who say, oh, no, you can't bring it out. No, I think that it is important to bring it up because it is an issue is an important issue. Just culturally, and it's also been in his past. And I don't think we should just sweep it under the rug, of course. But then it's like. You know in a situation like this. Then you're talking about more. And it's like, well, what are we really what really have say. Like, I just don't have much more to say about it. You see is made its decision. He's fighting in it. And so now, I just don't really get the I just don't really get which is just debating over and over like whether it's right or wrong on just like happened fair enough BBC with anything, right? Like you. Then you could say like, oh, what's the point in debating if Koby Covington got screwed? They made the decision, right? I mean, you could say that about every decision, but it's a conversation that changes kind of feels like at this point where I'm the same conversation about great hardy every time though, I gonna change anybody's mind. The fact that doesn't change in some ways makes makes that conversation relevant on an ongoing basis. And the example, I'll give you got you know, hardy who has his past and he comes across even now in a very surly kind of way. And so in a way as he said, Ariel it kind of it kind of makes you think about that pass a lot more. More directly. But then you look at some other fighters, you know, a guy like rumble Johnson who had himself convicted of domestic violence. But whenever I would either talk to him or semen interviews. He just seems like such a like a nice gentlemanly guy. And so somehow or other despite the fact that he has this past I think a lot of people are able to move past the because it looks you see him. And you think this is a guy that seems like whatever happened happened. But now he seems to be a kind of a nice guy. I mean, whether that's just a facade or not, I don't know. But I think sometimes appearances make a big difference. I think that's one of the ways in which Hardee's kind of surly manner is going to come back and haunt him for a long time. And so let's end on this as far as Greg hardy is concerned, and it comes back to our jobs because to your point I often get this. When I go on Twitter, and I know Twitter isn't the best sort of, you know, litmus test, but it's there and you read it on your phone. I do get a lot of fans who say stop talking about this. I'm tired, you're beating a dead horse. I don't wanna hear about it. I don't wanna hear about his past want to hear about the ostrich angle. All of this enough. I am surprised by that. But I do get it. And I and I get two things. First of all, I get that a lot of fans do not know who Greg hardy is or maybe weren't fans of football when he was a massive story in that sport. So to them it's like, okay guy on the past like, my brain sorta works in who is doing what an MA and that happened for years ago, and I don't really care anymore. And then a lot of just don't care and don't want because I'm getting that more often than not. And it's the point where I start to question myself like this. I feel like I haven't talked about it enough. And now, I'm starting to think like maybe I've talked about it too much. I get the sense from fans that they want us to stop. Talking about it. And at the end the day who are we serving we're serving the fans, right? Yeah. You get that impression as well. Yeah. And I can agree with it. I just I'm fine with having conversations about this. But I don't want it to be the same conversation every time, and I will say that you know, as I'm writing stories about Greg hardy as it continues. I will probably continue to include that I will write that. And almost in every story that I ever write about Greg hardy because I think it is part of the I know it is part of the stories wise here he'd be in the NFL that has had happened. So it's relevant. And so you add it every single time. Because it's it's it's fact, and it's part of a part of his story, and we should absolutely talking about the office situation because that is current, and it's it's new, and it's something that you should have opinions on. And it is good discussion. What I what I don't see any value in. And I think this is maybe what fans are saying is that don't have the same conversation every time and that I can agree with. Yeah. I mean, I guess for me. I mean, I I also I wrote some road something back in July when hardy was signed. On the more recently that we didn't publish because it just took a long time to get the thing. Right. And we ended up not using it. But back in July, we did publish something that was pretty critical of the and Chris critical of hearty and the blowback I got led me convinced that there there are people that. Yeah. As you say air, maybe there are people who just don't didn't know much about his past. The also he ultimately ended up not being found innocent. You know, that's the legal system time that way, and there are people who like to point that out. But frankly, I had to say it. But I think there are a lot of men out there who don't care about domestic violence unless it happens to their own sister. And and until that happens to some they care about someone they love it's somebody else's problem. And I just wanna see the guy fight. I think there's there's that element of people out there. You know, that's the starving to me. But it is what it is. Let's go back to the main event true or false bread. The flyweight division is on the line Saturday night. Henry who loses. It's gone Henry who'd a wins. It remains long-term false long-term. I think I think the division has gone away. Now Henry wins. I mean, look, I think if then they get into negotiation room, right? They get into. I don't think Henry pseudo is is opposed to going to one thirty five. I mean, we know that the guy's a big flyweight. I mean after his last fight he mentioned going up to TJ dillashaw. Did he not? I mean, he wasn't saying TJ come down to me. He was saying I'll go up he's willing to do that. But he he feels like, hey, if I'm going up, and I'm dropping my belt or fly with Vince going than than than I want my situation to change, you know, in the well, let's really changed. I mean, you're gonna title shot. I mean, it's the same flight. Need redo it. So I think that if he wins all that repeats itself. You know, they go in they talk about his situation. And if they feel like Henry who does a good investment, and they do feel like they need to redo his deal. And they're okay. Now, we're going to the best thing that could happen. For Henry who I believe is. He wins the fight. But it's not just this one sided thing. There's there's some drama in it people are are kind of thinking, oh, I wouldn't mind seeing that again. And now he's like he's got the win over the bantamweight champion. People are interested in seeing invite a second time, I think that would be a perfect scenario for Henry who don't if that happened. I fly with division will be gone. So Frank to answer your question long-term a year from now, I don't think I would division is going to exist. But Henry so who wins on Saturday? I think there's a chance it could exist. Six months from now, we could see another flyway. But if he loses it's done, it's done. I think it's done. Yeah. If you lose what do you think? Well, I'm not close enough to I'm not talking to people in the sport is like like bread is. I'm not. That close to the situation. I mean, I've read what I read, and I it seems like that makes sense. I guess I would just think about the personalities involved, and I think that for guy like Henry pseudo if if he wins his fight. It won't just be a situation of of money, and I can become richer by by moving up. There's gonna be something in his core. That tells him that that he's the real bantamweight champ. I mean, he just beat the guy that's Vaneman Cheb. I know his ten had to be ten pounds lighter to come and fight me. But I saw that guy across the cage. He's the guy that has been belt. I just went out there and beat him. And I think that's gonna make pseudo emboldened him to to wanna go right up there and get his belt. I think he's gonna look that way. He's going to say I beat the guy. I think they're going to be a lot of fans who are going to say they're not going to think about the fact that that the dill show had empty every ounce of water out of his body in order to step on the scale. They're gonna look at that fight. And it turns out this who gets his hand raised at the end, especially if it's a Finnish or something where where it's a pretty decisive victory. I think they're going to be people who are going to look at a dish don't show as diminish champion. And they're look at SA hudo as the guy who a stencil. Really is a is a uncrowned bantamweight champion. Don't you think? It would be a huge mistake to get rid of the division if he wins. Let's say let's say were wrong. And he wins on Saturday. Henry wins on Saturday say okay, we're still getting rid of it. It's done. Yeah. I find him to be incredibly entertaining indication out. I enjoyed talking to him. I think he's getting a lot better with his interviews. He's marketable. He speaks religious. He's a freaking Olympic gold medalist. Right. How many times because make can they say that they've had some silver? Medallists bronze is some Olympians but gold medallist. This is a very big deal. He beat the winningest champion of all time. And if he beats TJ they'll show that's a major feather in his cap. I don't wanna get rid of him. I don't mind seeing a rematch against Joseph benefit at one twenty five their first bite was phenomenal. And there are other guys coming up as well. Why I don't understand the insistence? Now, all of a sudden you have gotten rid of the DJ problem. He's gone. You didn't see I you didn't do good business with him. He's gone. Henry has an opportunity to be one of the faces of the you have C in my opinion. I think Henry is potentially more marketable than some of their current champions. Right. As far as doing interviews. He certainly a lot more entertaining. So why give like like why do this? I don't understand. Where's it's not like they're short on real estate? It's not like they don't have enough cards. Right. They just canceled a car you have another another bell. I don't get it. I honestly don't get it. Do you are you of the opinion that if he keeps winning? He just keep just it just keeps going literally. This is the flyway division. Is you think so I really truly do? I really truly do in the sense that. Chris. I was the featherweight champion. I think now it's going away because she's no longer the champion. They were going to keep that thing as long as she was the champion. Same thing's going to happen flyway. And I think that it's pretty darn cool. As Henry and his coach told me that people like Joseph benefit is and other flyweights match Nel who never trained with him in the past have come up to him and said, I want to help you TJ 'cause I feel like you're fighting for my job like this isn't some like concocted thing. Now, I understand the you can't come out and actually say this because people's livelihoods at stake here. But I really think that when you talk about those steaks, this is one of the most important fights. And you have see history like the division has never been on the line before. That's pretty damn awesome. Yeah. Everything that you're saying is certainly possible certainly possible. I guess a year is is. A lot can happen in a year's her and loses. Then. I think I think that they I think that they will be why. I mean, so it's almost like what was going on federal then that not a real division. But it's just kinda like have because they've already led people out of their contract. But there's still some left, right. There's still some names left. And there's the benefit is fight on this card as well. I'm just so impressed with pseudo these days, I really feel he's coming to his own. I think he's turned into a well rounded fighter. I don't want to see him fight a one thirty five I think he is best suited even though he's pretty big best sooner. Once he's figured out the way, cutting looks to be phonology. You see that picture of him? That was supposed to last week. I mean, he looks to be in tiptop shape. I don't get the rush all of a sudden now that is gone to get rid of it. It makes no sense to me. You say makes makes sense just like bread. You know, I get it. And I I would I also I would like what you put laid out that the result. I would rather see there being a two one hundred twenty five pound division. Then they're not to be one. Just because I think that having the fighter spread out and more divisions. Is a good thing having I feel like the worst thing that that happens in may in my opinion, this there's a lot of there's a lot of contenders for the worse than that. I made. But I'm gonna say the worst thing for me. Is this whole interim championship thing? Whatever they put out interim belt online, I feel like they should make it out of plastic or something it should be like one of the little, you know, we have like a fake you have belt in our office. And I sort of feel as your hand out that or something like little toy belt because they really don't respect it. And the reason that respect is is because it's not real. I mean, I think he's when I was writing these stories I would always refer to so. And so won the fo-, you know, well, the way bell there, whatever. And that was that was the way I felt. About it. So the reason they have to do that is because they want title fights all the time. And the reason they have the reason they have to do that and put another title on the lines because all the champions aren't always available. So how do you how do you avoid that predicament? Well, you you have more champions you have I love the idea of the one hundred and sixty five pound division. One fifty five one sixty five one seventy five one eighty five. Maybe it's just the mathematician to me, it just sounds more linear. It sounds sounds like it makes sense to me. But I like that idea. There are a lot of good fighters. I think that nobody could beat the major his Johnson at one twenty five and. I think there's a possible result where a very diminished T J dillashaw goes in there and loses to Henry pseudo. And it still does not elevate Henry to some kind of star status where he's he towers above all the other one twenty five I think there's I mean, I think you could see us situation invented Evita's is already beaten them. I could see benefit is going in there again and beating him I could see someone the other guys competing with them on a pretty strong level. So I would love to see one twenty five continue. But you know, what people like you? Br you know, you're you're around the sport a lot closer than I am. You're you're talking to people a lot more than I do. And I and I've heard other folks say the same thing that this thing is it's it's on the verge of being shut off the cliff, and I'm just waiting for it to happen. But for the record, I I mean, if it was up to me, I wanna see him stay, of course, I think flyweights are fascinating. And and they should find out what they have at Henry pseudo. You know, if he goes out and beats TJ Dilshad is huge win. He was great on on all use PIN's platforms. I've watched him on get up with with greeny. And what do you have that teacher dillashaw doesn't have? And he had a great. And he's he's like I got looks. I got you know, this. And that I mean, he he had great one liners very very good on camera. I think but I don't think that's what the see is going to do. I think that it's almost easier for them to just bite the bullet. If Henry Henry wins set up an immediate rematch, which will probably get criticized a little bit. But at one thirty five set up a rematch one thirty five man, you sell the storyline of TJ dillashaw was was to was to drawn out because because to Jeff's point, what do you do at TJ dillashaw? He's still the champion. So you kind of compromise that division as well. So I think it'd be easier for them to just say we're going to turn around we're gonna run backward and new new wait TJ dillashaw is going to be depleted. We're going to see the real T J dillashaw fight, and they don't have to deal to fly flyway division anymore because they don't want to deal with it. Anyway, I think that's the most likely say tomorrow is. And fell sun cell in the returning Dominick Cruz at some point they tell Koby Covington. I mean, there's so many people that have been that gives me a headache that scenario I mean could use plausible though. Absolutely danish. But holy smokes. Could you imagine? If that actually happens, the bantamweights might just go, I don't I don't know. Like, they'll go on strike or something. How do you explain it to them? I don't see that as as I don't see that as people being wrong on the same level of some other situation, we've seen I guess I feel like if you're a champion of a of another way class, and you end up jumping in front of the queue in order to get a title shot in a different way class. You've got kind of like your little special ticket because you have your championship belt. There are a few the people who few people who would say qualified in the same way, George saint-pierre jumping ahead of the the middle of Hugh. He was a legend in his way class any any any didn't retire. But he walked away from the sport as the champion. So you know, he was a defacto champion when he when he challenged for that way class. But but the you'll see has has on many occasions promise something to one person and giving it to somebody else. Holy covington. Michelle Tate of the two that come to mind for me. There have been numerous other ones. So I don't think that that the one thirty fibers are going to would cry if they will cry. Okay. But I don't know they would have the the strongest case now. And by the way, just because something happened in the past a mean, it's okay for it to have him. What he tell you? Two wrongs. Don't make a right come on. You're better parent than I than I mean. No, I do not wanna see that happen. I want to see actually. I want to see the air of the champ champs go away, or at least slow down a little man between US I was just looking at this earlier between you see one and UFC two four. There was one champ champ fight Japan versus George impure between two oh five. And now there's been four it makes no sense. And just the jewel champs. You remember when it forever, we BJ reineck tour, the only guy do it. Now, I need to kind of take a second to remember all of them and s should be the case feels like lazy matchmaking the Alner forget talking to Sean Shelby way back in the day at the time. He was the lower way class matchmaker. When show Silva was still around. He told me my job is not to create champions. It's creek contenders. That's my job. And to me when you do these fights not only is it lazy? But you're also bastardising your other events because you're now canceling out multiple divisions. And you need those divisions for future, pay per view and main events I want to see less of it. Like when I hear you. Bang say like, oh, one forty five when he's here. Woodley say when eighty five I like, the ehre of long, reigning champions, ESP Anderson Silva, Dmitri's Johnson, not balance. That's what I like. That's cool. Stephen Roach didn't last long, but that was cool though. Can I missed something? I'd be okay. He went to one forty five only because if you wins at one twenty five we of course. Okay. Yeah. But only because it's never been done before. I mean, the champ champ thing is overdone, but champ champ champion. Until someone can get four. No. But actually to your point. That's what I was thinking about as I remember when McGregor that this was a hugely not just because it was kinda McGregor because this something that that had not happened. But now it just happens like so frequently I was just talking to somebody here in the company who as we're ramping up for this big fight card on Saturday. There are people who haven't really followed the sport is closely. And we talked to them about things someone said only those two champions face each other. And I said, well, that's actually been that's actually happened before we really want to sell this fight in a unique way we could say, well, no, no champion has ever dropped down. Another person's way class and tried to compete. So that's that's the uniqueness of this. This added is fight. But the fact that two champions. No. And I I I don't know that I wanna see TJ go from one thirty five down to one twenty five then up to one forty five. That sounds like sounds like kind of crash died that I would. Put myself on and not very healthy. But yeah. But if he does that then we're going to be waiting for the first four four division simultaneous. And at least listening to this. Now hates hates me. Somebody will own every single title from from from flyway up to heavyweight, and that'll be the end of the whole whole thing right there. So of course, this is all moot point TJ dillashaw doesn't make wait you have spent some time with them. Do you have any concerns on this Wednesday afternoon that he is not going to make weight? I mean, you always have to have a concern. Right. But here's what he has on his side to big things. I do think that Sam Calva whether or not you believe that Saint Calva his strength and conditioning coach, but more. So his mad scientist that has come up with these algorithms, and he's former aerospace engineer who has come up with this formula to get these guys down down to weight and everything that he's told me and for me. I mean, he he told me Sam did they're cutting less weight at for this. They're cutting less water weight that we. The fight then than they did for thirty five which seems crazy to me an impossible. But he's got he's got that kind of mind on his side. I guess I the type of guy who will will diabolically go over every little detail that can't be a bad thing. Right. And TJ has on his side that he is a complete maniac. Dirty is insane. When I watched this guy workout right next to other professional fighters. There's something different about what he does. I mean, he is. So dedicated he is one of the most dedicated professional, athletes, I have ever been around. So if anybody can do it, I think it's him. I my money is on. He makes this week. We are going to have a really cool photo feature coming up later in the week. We have embedded photographer with TJ's camp. And and we're going to be doing that. I'm not sure exactly when publishers, but we'll have to after weigh ins, and then I think even follow TJ a little bit during the rehydration process and all that. And I actually before we started doing this this afternoon. I I was in a meeting and someone showed me some of the. Photos, and it's and he looks you know, Lena me doesn't look like it doesn't have that. Like, everyone kinda McGregor would would wait what's up on the scale hundred and forty five pounds, and he looked like a skeleton because he was so drawn out. Then of course, the next night he'd come out there. And look look pretty good. Well, TJ hasn't is not at that point. I was he's not at the point yet where he has to do the waterway. But but he was he's looking very lean and doesn't look like there's there's a lot of extra X anything on him. But some pretty cool photo. So I would just say look for that later in the week as you look healthy. I mean, does any fighter ever look healthy dorm when they're in the process of preparing for fight. I don't know he doesn't look I've seen worse seen fighters who who and I'm not talking about just on the day of a way. And when you see someone practically need to be held onto the scale, and I've definitely seen so people that look like they they were. Very very unhealthy. He doesn't look that way. He looked like some of the photos were of him, you know, in pretty heavy workout. So he's clearly, you know, he's clearly not depleted to the point of compromising his his his his his training and his preparation. I would say his physical. Look does look different though. Yeah. When I was in when I was in Los Angeles. I went to his house and a stand. That's I waiting for him to open his garage door and the like the garage door went up and I saw him for the first time. Did you look different? You just looks like a kind of a different guy. I think like in what way I think it's maybe just everybody would I mean? Way cutting is going to affect the physical look different people differently, obviously. But he his face his face looks gone. I mean, it does it doesn't look like the sucked out thing. Jeff talking. I was thinking we will. I think it will when he gets on the scale. Yeah. But it's just he gets bony, man. The guy's face is just is just to just where is this gonna come off TJ? Where's it going to come off? But it's all in the formulas. Yeah. Because he's one of the leanest one thirty five right? Like when he weighs in thirty five. Just imagine an extra ten pounds. Always lean. Yeah. Yeah. Like eight percent body fat or some some he started number. He signed the contract, or at least agree to the fight twelve weeks ago. Twelve weeks from the day the fight he weighed one hundred fifty four pounds eight percent body fat one hundred and fifty four pounds eight percent body fat twelve weeks and don't forget he's supposed to have thirteen weeks. But they moved. They moved it up because it's called. Yeah. Good on him for accepting that because I think a lot of people say I need that extra week. Right. Just crazy, man. Okay. So you're on the record Brett that he is going to make way. That's your prediction. Yes. Jeff. I mean, I haven't been there all like reliance on say, my gut says. Wein says I'm Jay got says I'm not gonna make way for. Yeah. I guess says that he will be because he's because he's a professional and an elite athlete, and he's not a guy who. Who have seen have any problems in the past? You know, what Henry pseudo has has missed wait before, you know. So wouldn't that be the irony? If so does the guy that it doesn't make it. That's the kind of thing that happened. It would happen in this. Yeah. After all the talk. Okay. So all go on the record is. Well, my prediction is he makes wait. But let's say he doesn't make wait. Yeah. I wanna give Henry in his team a piece of advice, and it's kind of playing off something that they told me earlier this week do not do not way in I wait till he weighs in if he misses weight, then you come. But the key is you let's say Henry comes in teaching one twenty six go with this. Then you come in. You cannot come in at one twenty five because if you come in and one twenty five it's not a bantamweight eligible title fight. If he comes in twenty-six, come in at one twenty seven come in at one twenty eight and asked for his belt, and then the debacles turn, right? Could you imagine that I feel like that could happen? So for those that don't understand why. Has it w w contacted you to to write their stuff? David moss have reached out several. This would be great. Whether you're whether I I'm not sure what I like more reading your stuff bread about the actual fights that happen or listen to you talk about fights that the events that haven't actually happened. They may never happen. But they're just so brilliant. The we all live theater. One twenty six to one thirty five is a bantamweight title fight. Right. One sixteen to one twenty five is eight flyway title fight. So you have to win one twenty five for it to be flyway terrified if he misses wait by half a pound by pound by two pounds, Henry just chill weighing after and say, I want his belt. I don't wanna cancel this fight. I don't wanna fight Joseph interviews. I just wanna for his belt you win. Because let's be honest in this scenario Henry's losing out. Right TJ loses on Saturday. He's still champion. Henry loses. Not only the champion his division might be gone as well. Turn the tables on the I love it. I love it. I hate to a hate to poke holes. Okay. But what happens? So let's say who to wait and nine AM. Sits around waits for two hours because you know, the teachers early if he's heavy. Yeah. Let's TJ MRs. He's got an hour. He's got an hour to do it. I know. That's where it gets tricky. Yeah. Because then he has to weigh in as well. Okay. How about this? Okay. Great. He comes in slightly above. Yes. Takes hours. So let's say TJ comes in ten fifty nine at one twenty six. He gets an hour to your point. Okay. If I'm Henry I come in at ten fifty nine and a half one twenty six now. I know it's not that easy to be on top of his way into execute. This. Vagit, but it'd be on point on my God. That's why I'm so happy. We're doing the official way and show on ESPN. Plus, by the way, because I feel like there's going to be some gamesmanship here unless TJ comes in first. And then all the theaters just. Saban's going to compromise. Your whisper, you're you're very famous whisper you'll you'll it may raise up to the point hate when they come first because then there's no more entry. Yeah. Like just let it early a couple of months ago and Connor came in like an hour into things who's gonna miss way. It was going to have. That's great. That's good theater. I dunno. I just think it's look I don't think there's anything in the rule book that says they can't do that. Just change the fight. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm all in. All right. That's good. So should I go back to my office? And and change all the things about flow showmanship tonight. Yes, I won't publish those yet. But I'll get them all prepare. Yeah. He gets prepared for Saturday. I don't want their products. It seem like there's some funky business going on here. But I'm just doing it out as as an opportunity for maybe to turn the tables on them if you're Henry pseudo. Okay. Great advice, by the way, to to to Henry seem piece of advice. I did and TJ's team. Yeah. Don't talk about max Holloway before the fight. Don't even mention it. In fact, when you get questions about it when you say like, hey. Because you know, you're gonna get that question. Right. You know, you're gonna get the question of how you're moving down to one twenty-five whichever be interesting to one forty five third bell. You know, what if he was like, no, I'm good. You know, max Holloway is a beast. Like, look how big that guy is he'd always by thirty pounds. Like, I'm set here. You know to belts is good enough. What more do I gotta do legacy? And then just do a complete flip. After you beat Henry, you're in the cage be like max Holloway. I'm coming for you. Because then then the drop is huge. Now, we're kind of talking about Holloway. And then if you call them out, and he wants to fight he calls, and it's like, okay, we were kind of expecting it. What if what if he had said adamantly deny? No, I can never find always. It's just too big u-b-e-r. You're going for the WWE to man. The till you guys going to be like running the show there. It's just having a little imagination a little fun. This is the toy department, right? Sport. It is really part of the sport is a psychological side of it is great. And and yeah, yeah. Let's end on this because right before we recorded you broke the news at Darren till will be headlining the March sixteenth card in London against Jorges. Mas Waddell, also on that card gun Nelson versus Liane Edwards. If I'm Leon Edwards. I'm probably annoyed because I wanted that Darren till fight yesterday. We reported that wonderboy Thomson is going to be fighting Anthony PETA's moving up to one seventy. So there's three interesting seventy fights. That were just added a division that has been in focus as of late because of the Comorros into our in Woodley and co becoming tin love triangle, if you will of those two main events that are happening two weeks apart, which would you like better, which one wonderboy Thomson, Anthony Pettus or the 'til Mazda. Fight question. Intrigues me more till till magical. Why think part of it is because till is in London. So right off the bat. That's that's that's that's intrigue there. But also. I would say of those four I'm just just in general most intrigued by till because he's the youngest. And I think that that he was, you know, rushed in some sense into that fight. Tyron woodley. I anticipate him still having a great career I have more, and this is nothing against those other guys, but they're just a little older they're further along the careers. I I don't know what their until is going to end up being, you know, I don't think Anthony pet is going to be a welterweight champion. I think he's a heck of a fighter. I think like the fights that this guy is accepting is absolutely insane. And I seen Thomson could be a welterweight champion. He's not done yet by any stretch of nation. But I really don't know what their until it's gonna be is gonna find that home at welterweight as he has figured out the way cut is that his longtime home is he gonna turn into a middleweight is even fight Robert Whitaker somebody I have a lot of questions about until you know, that I I guess I don't have about those other guys. So I would say most intriguing I'm intrigued by till also specifically because of what happened in in his last flight, you know, when a guy who who comes in undefeated. Not only loses but get stopped and get stopped by guy. Who's, you know, most people think of the champ as a wrestler? I know he's got the big heavy hands. But think of they probably thought that if the fight was ended by one guy knocking other now, and they were probably thinking that it was gonna be till take it him down as opposed to Woodley literally taking him down like a wrestler would and beating up on the ground. That was what happened Woodley hit him knocked him down choked them out, and I would like to know for Darren till what what is that going to mean for him. Is he going to come go out there a little bit of different fight or sometimes guys if they take their first loss that that next fight is a little bit interesting to watch. And and this case he's going to be getting a guy who is not timid MAs would guys going to step forward. And it's going to bring a fight. And so I think it's going to be an interesting thing. I watch both watch all three, but that's the one that. I'm really, okay because I think actually all three are super intriguing. I don't really understand. Why Pettus is doing this other than he sort of in purge? Tores coming off the loss to Ferguson. So why the heck not wonder boys not getting a title shot as long as these champion? So why the heck not for both of them? So it's fun. But I don't really love it for Pettus. I love the Leon Edwards Gunnar Nelson. Fight Edwards is on a roll. This is a bit of a step up in terms of I dunno test. If you will. But let's forget it happened. So long ago that feels a long time ago, but he is coming off a win over Donald to Rony. So I think that's a nice little feather in his cap that was a main event fight in Singapore. So I love that fight as a Komen to me the Darren till fight is only intriguing because I don't like that. He's staying at one seventy I thought that. Okay. You lost? A woodley. I agree with you. It was too soon. Take this opportunity to test the waters at one eighty five. See how you feel see how you perform see how your body. Feels those way cutter scary for that guy and Muslims tough. He's been out for a longtime. But he's a game fighter. Right. You know? Pardon the pun, his nickname game bread. I wish he would have used this opera -tunities like Pettus, but for different reasons test the waters, see how you're feeling what's the one. Thing we learned in MMA last year guys who fight closer to their natural. Wait, actually doing better right asked north cut the list goes on and on. I don't like this for him. I wish he would take the opportunity to fight at one eighty five. Feels I agree. And I agree. I'm trying to put myself in his head. And maybe once you make that move to middle eight it's going to be real time ever, go back down if you ever wanted to maybe thinking, you know, if there's a shakeup at the top of welterweight. I mean, he's right there. He's always going to be right there. So I don't know. Maybe that's just as only hesitation is that once he moves up. It's doesn't have to be permanent. But I just and we get a fighter on to talk about it. But just in my mind, I would not want to move away class and then try to think about going back down. I would I would want to save that move until I felt it was permanent. Yeah. I'm worried I keep thinking about that one way cut prior to that that fight against wonderboy Thomson where he looked. I mean, we talk about on this show TV show. He looked like he was going to die. Why I missed Dallas. What what was the talk around over the look out of Hugh member. There was so much pressure on him. Right. And so I think that he really focused on it. He did everything possible to make sure he'd Wayne was a title fight. But that fight against wonderboy. Just a couple of months. Prior was scary. Remember he had that video. And then he took it down. Of course, super scary. So I don't wanna see that happening. Of course, way cutting going to be a big story all week long with TJ dillashaw fight that was just sort of on my mind when I saw your report guys, this has been a lot of fun, right? Yeah. It just kind of flew by. I wasn't mesmerized by the by the by Jeff shirt for about the first fifteen minutes. So be held accountable for anything I seven once. I felt like I was my son. Fortunately, there's no video component. But I feel like people have seen enough Hawaiian shirts. They can take Brett's word, and and and trust that it is a great twenty eight degrees out. I do I do face radio, though, gotta say that. So well, I hope this is the start of something very fun and exciting for all of us. I love talking with fell reporters about this great sport about covering the sport about all the storylines about all the fights. And I hope that it's the start of a very fun era in the history of the sport the UC on ESPN era that officially kicks off Saturday night in Brooklyn, New York, Brett appreciate it. My man, Jeff, shade it. Thanks so much for listening to all of you out. There. Check this out every Wednesday, it's on the same feat. So you don't have to go anywhere else. 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The MMA Reporters: Episode 1

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 1

"As gentlemen. Welcome to and. Wanting. Well, this is very exciting. It is Wednesday January sixteen two thousand and nineteen. And this is a brand new program that we are offering to all of you, perhaps I should say the beat goes on my friends. This is a new little thing that we're doing and I'm very excited about it. It's the return of the roundtable each and every Wednesday, we will be talking with fellow Emma may reporters about the beat about the sport about everything that's going on in the sport of mixed martial arts. And as we all know, there's never a dull moment a lot of things are going on constantly in this sport. I'm very excited about this. I am area. Honi? Thank you so much for watching. We're calling this the mayor reporters, by the way because your call many moons ago. I said that one of my favorite shows was the sports reporters that shows no longer with us. But I think it's one of the greatest shows of all time. And I think that the business of covering MA is a fascinating world, and I wanna keep this going. So this is the mayor reporters, I hope. If you enjoyed I hope you're happy that we are back, and I'm very excited to get things kicked off. All right. Let's introduce the panel for this week. I'm being joined to my right. You can't see us. But trust me, he is to my right. He is the longest tenured and mayor reporter at this company. Bredahl commode. I'm right. Correct. Noted been here longer than you for a long time. I was the only one only shortlists true that short list out on the house, welcome. Yeah. No. Thank you. It's nice to be here in person and mazing that you were able to secure a budget to fly out here every week to record this. As quite amazing know, listen, it's a big it's a big time for the company in the sport. It's a it's an important on is falling from the sky to do these thought. And I'm actually going to ask you about that in a quick second. But let me just say Hello to my old friend, Jeff wagon Heim. Who's also joining us. It has been awhile since we talked Jeff it's good to see you again. And I can't confirm for everyone at home. You are rocking a Hawaiian shirt. Yes. Even even when his only audio is still have to like, hold true. I would wear a hat. To in HAMAs to another old friend, but we'll leave that for another day, speak all modules, if this is indeed the reporters than I would like you to refer to me as Bob Ryan. And I will bring my voice up to a much higher gas the rest of you want. It's your world. Jeff. Okay. So obviously, this is a very exciting time for the sport. It's I've seen exciting time for all of us who cover the sport at ESPN because on Saturday. It will be the very first you have seen ESPN plus card. It's TJ Dilshad versus Henry Suharto. I'm assuming if you listen to this podcast, you know, about the particulars, you know, about the details of this card. So let me ask you Bret you've been covering the sport for this company for almost a decade. Right. Eight nine years at this point two thousand eleven was I started how would you describe your feelings? Your thoughts on the Wednesday before the Saturday card after covering the sport here for so long. And let's on us ups and downs. Right. Sometimes you have to fight for real estate's. You have to fight for acceptance. Yeah. Here you are after being here for so long. And now seeing how excited the company is and how big this debut is this must be. A little surreal is not. I would argue that has to be the most real for me of anybody involved in this entire thing. And maybe that's a little biased. And maybe I'm speaking a little too highly of myself right now are only looking at through it from my lens. But for the last seven years, I mean, if the listeners had any idea, and look I'm not saying that I was out here and ESPN didn't care about what we were doing. But as far as trying to do different things and trying to relate to them. How important some things were. And some of the story lines that we did. And part of my job was selling myself and selling our content and asking them to put it up and asking them to to to invest money into it instant, send me a camera crew to go out. And do this thing, you know, there were projects where there was no video to go along with it not because I didn't want there to be video along with just because he was not where ESPN's interests were now the complete opposite and the amount of content and the amount of cool stories and breaking news. And I mean, just that must see moves thing that you saw online that just went out yesterday that. Is a type of stuff that I've been asking to do for seven years. And now he's is asking me to do it. So it's like a beautiful beautiful. Do you ever think that this would happen that ESPN would be the exclusive television home of the u of c in the United States? I absolutely one hundred percent did not I guess no curb by there. Especially because let's be let's be real. There was some people just company that just didn't like it for a long to. And so it's hard to think like, oh, yeah, we're going to have you on ESPN someday? When you knew that not only were not interested in it. But they actually disliked it, you know, in the mood has changed. There are people on in every company in the media, though, have who have demonstrated a dislike for the sport at some level. And you know, it's funny. I wasn't here. But I thought that he has PM was going to get on board back when they had the live show. Jon attic was hosting for quite some time. And they I thought at some point that that was going to translate into the next time that that you have see rights when up to bid that ESPN is going to jump in. And of course, it went. They went over to FOX for a while which was kind of like bringing up closer to the major leagues because they were sort of an outpost of Fox Sports network that didn't really exist the time. But now they've really they really. Really upped the ante Lodden to support with Brett saying I've been here at the company for the last two and a half years. But for most of that time until let just last few months, I was not working in the side of things and just didn't seem like there was a need to to bring somebody else over to help out. And even when I did start to do something. I may stuff it was mostly just filling in and then shortly thereafter, the the announcement came that this was happening, and I will say that I've been here in Bristol today and yesterday, and I got almost no no work at all done at my desk because I've been in constant meetings. Talking to this person talking to that person everything getting button-down for the Saturday. The the the amount of commitment that that folks here have to the sport if you're in MMA fan, and I'm sure you are if you're listening to this you should be really happy to know that the the biggest entity in sports media is really behind right now. Yes. Compare for you to FOX. Oh my God. It's drastically different. Is it really? He is any notes. So interesting is a great question because I was there for the launch. Right. So I see the way both are being launched on these new entities. The amount of resources that ESPN is giving an investing in the sport. Compared to what FOX did is night and day FOX, really as you said, they used the you have C to launch f s one in for a while they used it to prop up fuel TV. They didn't really invest all that much else in it. They didn't hire a ton of people for the website. They had one other show that was you have see tonight that was just an hour here. There's so many more research so much more programming platform more than a partner right at and look, of course. In their defense. You know, the time that FOX took the sport over there was the sport was in a way different place. I was no kinda McGregor. You know, Ron Arousa all those players that elevated the sport into a really a crossover thing that where people who, you know, my friends people in my generation who are huge sports fans. They didn't really care about the sport at all. They kind of looked at it the way that John McCain, you think about it just kind of like, why would you be interested in that stuff? But folks, like rows -i, and then then McGregor just brought things to different level. Where people who I still I marvel when I see people who I have known for for decades. And they'll ask me how's that kind of Gregor coming along. And it's like, wow, you guys are interested now. And so I I think the sport has has has ended up in a whole different place. And that's one of the things that's kind of exciting about being here because ESPN obviously can give it a a huge platform. And it's sport has kind of grown to a place where it can fill that huge platform. So when the UC. I went to FOX I think a lot of viewed it as a graduation of sorts like, okay, they've gone from cable TV to now Fox Broadcasting corporation. And this was going to be the on. They'll be household names and whatnot the deals over and we're moving out to the peon ehre. I don't think that really happened. Right. Like, I don't think that the FOX deal turned out the way they thought it was going is anyone of FOX creation in the sport. Like, they put DJ on FOX cards at least three times. They Benson Henderson a bunch of times. Like, no one I think really benefited from the FOX partnership, you know, knock on FOX. I just don't think it turned out the way they thought it would. No. I mean, what what you're speaking of. No like, FOX was not a star creator. If that's what you're saying. But I think they thought and wanted it to be right right in that in that regard fell short. I think just in general. I mean, just having a presence on on a network like us one which. At least at least one that you would see in a bar, and it was just kind of put in front of you more. Right. I think that's certainly felt more professional felt like a graduation, spike. Right. So I think just the overall sentiment and the overall feeling towards MA as like, oh, this is kind of like on the spike channel. It it grew up from the sport grew up a little bit on on FOX's airwaves. But no, it's not turn into this thing where it just started to generate and build a ton of guys like that that part of it was let me let me just finish. My thought before you to want to say that I feel a ready, and I don't feel like I'm being biased here. Like seeing Henry pseudo on I take feels like what they want it to happen with FOX's happening already. I you already start to see the dividends being paid off for this deal. Having these guys go on shows like that or PTI or having them on sportscenter to me will start to actually create stars like keep walking past TV? And there's another you have see highlight. There's another TJ dillashaw on sportscenter this big. And I feel like I'm the newest one in the company, right? Who's covering the sport? And for me. It's like it's still feels like I can't believe is actually cares about MA after all these years, and I really feel like the fighters are actually going to they are going to experience the biggest difference in all of this. They are going to become stars. And I think what they thought was going to have with FOX is actually going to happen. This time around that was that was basically where what I was getting at there only thing I was going to add was I thought that the the thing that the biggest star maker aspect of that that you're at FOX of the fighters was not what happened with the gloves on. But what happened when those guys were doing what we're doing right now talking to a microphone, right? Who would appoint we always knew the dominant. Cruise was a brilliant guy inside the cage. But who knew that he was even more brilliant in front of a microphone me. He can analyze a fight in ways that that just astound me. Now, you cornea huge huge personality. Not just you know. His his athletic achievements, speak for themselves. But but the personality that he conveys them. He is as good as anybody and just kind of exuding that almost you know, Michael Strahan, Terry Bradshaw guy. That's kinda fun guy to sit. And listen to aside from the fact that he really knows a sport. But he just has that kind of that kind of personality. So these guys I think that where some of the these guys really made advances the ones who who actually joined the other side. That's a great point. You're actually hundred right because those roles didn't exist in the spike garrison, then let me ask you guys about the debut because I think a lot of people are probably listening to this down. Like, oh, are we gonna get sixty minutes of fawning over the UFC Comey is answer? Is yet woke us all say this. I feel like this card falls short a little bit. When I heard that the, you know, the company SPN who was starting January nineteenth. I was like. Wow. What are they gonna do? Right. They had the heavyweight title for the first FOX card, right? This is this is going to be something special for the first ESPN card, regardless of its ESPN one. Two plus news. I don't care the first one you've got to come out strong. The main event is great, right? It's phenomenal. They're not big draws. But for the hardcore is I think we love this fight the rest is a little thin, right? I think it could have been better. And I think especially with the cancellation of two thirty three which was supposed to have an X week. They had an opportunity to make it better. And so I don't wanna say I'm disappointed because the main event is awesome. And it's pay per view worthy. But I do feel like it's a thin card, and it's not the car that I was expecting my crazy here. Jeff. Well, I was gonna say that. I heard you earlier today, I think it was on with Stephen and max, and you were talking about how surprise you're that. Greg hardy is in in the Coleman that I was just sitting there shaking my head thinking this. The whole reason guy exists is to be in Komen events. I mean to be it's about being a big name athlete from a mainstream sport. And and yeah, of course, he's got a lot of a lot of reasons to dislike him, but that's. That sort of that was my take he's with the decision to Dominican. Perspective. I think that I think the idea of him even being here is I mean as I've said on many occasions public labs Harbison unpublished. I've I've written on a couple of occasions about stuff that I don't think the guy belongs in the, and I certainly didn't think you belong on a card that also had a woman who was who who was involved in a domestic assault case that was as a lot of people use the term Tom deaf. And I think that's a really good good term for it. However from the perspective, and you know, frankly, I, you know, to speak truthful, you know, even from ESPN's perspective ESPN is trying to sell subscriptions to ESPN ESPN. Plus and one of the ways do to put two champions in the main event. But as you said, they're not not the huge issue just names in the sport. But you get a guy who was a Pro Bowl defensive back defensive end who was essentially banished from the NFL. People are gonna wanna see me go in there. And do something or maybe go in there and get beat up, and they're going to be some casual sports fans who may not even know how great pseudo and dillashaw are and they might just sign on just because they want to see this guy. Look the card could be better could be deeper. Of course, it could if you're a hardcore fan, and you're looking at this car I've seen better cards, and this is this is the launch. I mean, you can definitely make that argument. I'm okay with it because we have forty two events to fill this. Right. You know? And and as you as you both know timing plays a whole big role in this. And there was some circumstances with several guys that they wanted to get on a car that didn't want to be on the card or they couldn't be on the car because of injuries or whatever. I mean, I think that that there were options explored that ultimately, we're not seeing on this card, but I think actually kind of like the way it works out, especially with the main event because I love that Henry who don't teach dillashaw getting the rubber. They're getting right now because you knew that he is going to blow out from a promotional standpoint and coverage standpoint. Whatever the main that was and I I'm how legitimately happy for a guy like Henry who's fights at hundred twenty five pounds happy for a guy like TJ dillashaw who lost his title, very close decision. Dominick cruz. Wait, two years to get a rematch. I mean, this is kind of making up for some of those things, and when I was having some conversations with managers and fighters, you know, months ago this question got brought up like, well, how important is it to be on the first ESPN card is cool. But would we rather be on pay per view rather be on this or that? And I think at least for the main event like these guys are getting value out of this. I mean, this this was very very cool, and very very real the value that they're pulling from being the main event on this card, and I'm happy to see it go to the to that it's going to how do you feel about Greg hardy being on debut card? Look at the end of the day. Like, I don't I don't care about my personal feelings about Greg hardy being in the sport anymore. Like, I kind of feel like that's an irrelevant question at this point. Because everybody knows now what great. Well, I mean, we don't know exactly what happened, but we know the store. Right. And some people have thoughts on it. Some people have different thoughts on and those are going to change. So we could sit around here and talk about whether it's right or wrong. But at the end of the day were just talking circles. I mean, this is just it's a polarizing topic. Right. I'm more interested in now. Because of who he is and because of the way in which they're using him. And he's being rushed. I mean. But he's also got a lot of natural talent. I mean from sporting perspective. I'm I'm I am intrigued to see how he does. I will say that. But as far as like trying to speak to okay, look, I don't think he should be the main event, I think that that I think that that's almost kinda disrespectful to summit to two guys who've been fighting for longer than a year, you know, but as far as my personal feeling towards him as an athlete, I'm interested. I wanna see how he does I do. And so I agree with you like the train has left the station on Greg hardy the enemy fighter. It's been a reality for quite some time. You could have talked about this when he went on the contenders series. He has three pro fights under his belt. Let alone three amateur fights as well. So I don't think that that's the big question anymore to me. It was just the two parter afterwards. It was a putting him on the debut. Because look, you're doing interviews. You're right. We shouldn't be spending this much time talking about Greg hardy. He's not a mixed martial arts fighter. He's trying to become one. But let's be honest if the Saint Louis or they're not the same Louis Ceram anymore. The LA Rams of the Dallas Cowboys of the Buffalo Bills. Call them today. He wants to go back to the NFL. He can't go back to the NFL. So he's doing this. God bless you your China. You're trying to make a living. But I don't believe that if the UFC ESPN deal was starting in twenty thousand let's say starting in twenty twenty I don't believe he's in the UFC Berkley. They're expedited him, so I think it's almost bums me out that we have to talk about and we should be celebrating. The fact that UC finally made it to ESPN that Disney is in the business. We don't need to be talking about Greg hardy, and I feel like this was forced and it shouldn't have happened. And I also feel like partout after knowing what happened to Rachel ostrich. You shouldn't have done that. That was a tone deaf decision that part that part was terrible. That part tone-deaf almost doesn't go far enough to to describe that. I mean, it's just a bad decision. It's it's just in bad taste, but I wanna give. Jeff an opportunity because he was saying earlier, which which surprised you, and I think it's a prize me to that. You were kind of saying that you understand that putting them in the Komeda then and that you get surprised and what kind of like if that fight reloaded in the card. Do you think that the overall interest in this card as a whole would be lower? Because we we wouldn't be talking about him as much wouldn't be combing event. Well, I think that what I'm really thinking talking about as him being on the on the ESPN, plus the part of the card will you have to have plus in order to watch him. Right. Couldn't be the command could be six fights on that on that main card. So it could win the first fight in the main card. Maybe that would've been better would have solved both those problems. But I guess my point is I'm never I had almost the opposite opinion that you do that. I'm still really pissed off at this guy is is has his platform that he's and I feel like I also grew air that it's unfortunate. We have to talk about the guy, but it would be a disservice to not talk about the fact that he's in on this card in a fight. However, setting all that aside from omen and saying, okay, he's there I feel like in any fight card. The placement of fighters is promotion is is is advertising is is trying is TV business. It's not really I don't look at it as the fight business. If someone I know that there used to be a time when the up see always if they had two title fights, always have the heavier fighters. Heavier champion defend would be in the main event and the lighter champion would be lower. There was a kind of a hierarchy that was followed. And I've kind of lost that in Phil like, well, the the promotion has kind of gone away from that. And I feel like it's it's just how you going to sell tickets how you going to sell pay per view, or in this case how you going to get people to sign up for ESPN. Plus, that's really what the placement of these fights really comes down to what do you make of the way he handles it all from a PR perspective because let's be honest when you look at him in the cage, he is a frightening fellow right? Like, he just has. This look on his face. And you're like, whoa. And I don't think I'm speaking a turn here given his past it sort of makes you feel a little uncomfortable. Right. I mean, this man, I think he calls himself the prince of war. I mean, the whole thing just at times makes your skin crawl a little bit. And then. It never feels at least to me. And I think you were there right when he won contender series of Vegas. So were you in that scrum? He obviously, look he's done. The interviews about it. And I think he doesn't wanna keep rehashing it, and there is something to that. But it never feels when he's talking at least for my perspective. And I'm not face to face with him. I think tomorrow will have an opportunity to see him face to face at the media day in never feels like there is compassion. When he speaks about trying to turn a new page trying to be a different person or understanding why people feel certain way, and I look on his Instagram. And there's a lot of things about the haters. These like, you really not get why people feel the way they do about you. And sometimes I feel like when you try to fight fire with fire in these cases from a PR perspective. It doesn't work maybe sitting down and being a little more. I don't know. And I'm not his PR manager. And like he doesn't have to listen to me. But just trying to take off the journalists head for a second. I I wanna hear something from the like. Yeah. You do feel bad about what happened? Clearly, something has happened in your past you had issues you're not in the NFL anymore. I wanna feel like you feel something here, and I never feel that out of him. No. You don't you don't. But I mean at this point. When are you going to know ever, I'm speculating here, man? So I don't know. But but I would imagine that that he when when he fell he addressed it. And then you know, how these guys are. And you know, how people are in those types of situations. Like, okay, I'm done with the now, I've addressed it. I am moving all in my life. I don't care if other people do, you know, and and I as an individual is a PR manager, my tell him to think of slightly different that, you know. Hey, I get that that you moved on pass from this. And that it for you. It's healthy to to just kind of like separate that. And now, it's it's like you don't need to address it anymore. You need to go back there. But maybe four, you know, your own sake, you should. And maybe here's a way in which to do it. I mean, if I was his PR guy. That's what I would be telling him. But at this point. I don't think it's going to happen. I mean, he's had opportunities. And so this is just how it is. And I think you're right it infuriates people more. And I think a lot of people feel what you're feeling but didn't gonna happen with Greg hardy. I guess he's just the villains long. He's in this sport. That's what's going to be the poll to him. Yeah. And you know looking. His past. We know what we we've gone over his past with a fine tooth comb. And we know that he has not expressed any kind of remorse at least publicly that I've known of. And that's the kind of thing that that probably played a role in him being banished when the NFL NFL has a different kind of an image. They you know, when the video comes out of Ray rice, suddenly that guy is gone forever. The NFL has a different way of looking at things combat sports. Hey, who's the who's the the greatest boxer of our generation Floyd Mayweather how many times was he convicted of domestic violence more than one. I don't remember the number. But it certainly was was multiple times. He was convicted of and and he would say things like where the pictures where the pictures well in hardest case, you know, the website published. I think four dozen photographs of of of the woman who who accused him of his of domestic violence, and he was originally convicted. And of course after rec- after after. After having a a civil settlement with her. She disappeared was not able to be available to prosecutors to participate in the in the appeal and the appeal then resulted in him having his case thrown out. So, you know, he walks around as in the legal system as an innocent, man. But you know, those who have who've seen all these stories and seeing the photographs and and heard the stories about this. We have maybe a little different opinion about it. Do you think that the conversations actually stopped because that's and I wanna make it clear that I get we should always bring it up. I do feel that way and their fans out there who say, oh, no, you can't bring it out. No, I think that it is important to bring it up because it is an issue is an important issue. Just culturally, and it's also been in his past. And I don't think we should just sweep it under the rug, of course. But then it's like. You know in a situation like this. Then you're talking about more. And it's like, well, what are we really what really have say. Like, I just don't have much more to say about it. You see is made its decision. He's fighting in it. And so now, I just don't really get the I just don't really get which is just debating over and over like whether it's right or wrong on just like happened fair enough BBC with anything, right? Like you. Then you could say like, oh, what's the point in debating if Koby Covington got screwed? They made the decision, right? I mean, you could say that about every decision, but it's a conversation that changes kind of feels like at this point where I'm the same conversation about great hardy every time though, I gonna change anybody's mind. The fact that doesn't change in some ways makes makes that conversation relevant on an ongoing basis. And the example, I'll give you got you know, hardy who has his past and he comes across even now in a very surly kind of way. And so in a way as he said, Ariel it kind of it kind of makes you think about that pass a lot more. More directly. But then you look at some other fighters, you know, a guy like rumble Johnson who had himself convicted of domestic violence. But whenever I would either talk to him or semen interviews. He just seems like such a like a nice gentlemanly guy. And so somehow or other despite the fact that he has this past I think a lot of people are able to move past the because it looks you see him. And you think this is a guy that seems like whatever happened happened. But now he seems to be a kind of a nice guy. I mean, whether that's just a facade or not, I don't know. But I think sometimes appearances make a big difference. I think that's one of the ways in which Hardee's kind of surly manner is going to come back and haunt him for a long time. And so let's end on this as far as Greg hardy is concerned, and it comes back to our jobs because to your point I often get this. When I go on Twitter, and I know Twitter isn't the best sort of, you know, litmus test, but it's there and you read it on your phone. I do get a lot of fans who say stop talking about this. I'm tired, you're beating a dead horse. I don't wanna hear about it. I don't wanna hear about his past want to hear about the ostrich angle. All of this enough. I am surprised by that. But I do get it. And I and I get two things. First of all, I get that a lot of fans do not know who Greg hardy is or maybe weren't fans of football when he was a massive story in that sport. So to them it's like, okay guy on the past like, my brain sorta works in who is doing what an MA and that happened for years ago, and I don't really care anymore. And then a lot of just don't care and don't want because I'm getting that more often than not. And it's the point where I start to question myself like this. I feel like I haven't talked about it enough. And now, I'm starting to think like maybe I've talked about it too much. I get the sense from fans that they want us to stop. Talking about it. And at the end the day who are we serving we're serving the fans, right? Yeah. You get that impression as well. Yeah. And I can agree with it. I just I'm fine with having conversations about this. But I don't want it to be the same conversation every time, and I will say that you know, as I'm writing stories about Greg hardy as it continues. I will probably continue to include that I will write that. And almost in every story that I ever write about Greg hardy because I think it is part of the I know it is part of the stories wise here he'd be in the NFL that has had happened. So it's relevant. And so you add it every single time. Because it's it's it's fact, and it's part of a part of his story, and we should absolutely talking about the office situation because that is current, and it's it's new, and it's something that you should have opinions on. And it is good discussion. What I what I don't see any value in. And I think this is maybe what fans are saying is that don't have the same conversation every time and that I can agree with. Yeah. I mean, I guess for me. I mean, I I also I wrote some road something back in July when hardy was signed. On the more recently that we didn't publish because it just took a long time to get the thing. Right. And we ended up not using it. But back in July, we did publish something that was pretty critical of the and Chris critical of hearty and the blowback I got led me convinced that there there are people that. Yeah. As you say air, maybe there are people who just don't didn't know much about his past. The also he ultimately ended up not being found innocent. You know, that's the legal system time that way, and there are people who like to point that out. But frankly, I had to say it. But I think there are a lot of men out there who don't care about domestic violence unless it happens to their own sister. And and until that happens to some they care about someone they love it's somebody else's problem. And I just wanna see the guy fight. I think there's there's that element of people out there. You know, that's the starving to me. But it is what it is. Let's go back to the main event true or false bread. The flyweight division is on the line Saturday night. Henry who loses. It's gone Henry who'd a wins. It remains long-term false long-term. I think I think the division has gone away. Now Henry wins. I mean, look, I think if then they get into negotiation room, right? They get into. I don't think Henry pseudo is is opposed to going to one thirty five. I mean, we know that the guy's a big flyweight. I mean after his last fight he mentioned going up to TJ dillashaw. Did he not? I mean, he wasn't saying TJ come down to me. He was saying I'll go up he's willing to do that. But he he feels like, hey, if I'm going up, and I'm dropping my belt or fly with Vince going than than than I want my situation to change, you know, in the well, let's really changed. I mean, you're gonna title shot. I mean, it's the same flight. Need redo it. So I think that if he wins all that repeats itself. You know, they go in they talk about his situation. And if they feel like Henry who does a good investment, and they do feel like they need to redo his deal. And they're okay. Now, we're going to the best thing that could happen. For Henry who I believe is. He wins the fight. But it's not just this one sided thing. There's there's some drama in it people are are kind of thinking, oh, I wouldn't mind seeing that again. And now he's like he's got the win over the bantamweight champion. People are interested in seeing invite a second time, I think that would be a perfect scenario for Henry who don't if that happened. I fly with division will be gone. So Frank to answer your question long-term a year from now, I don't think I would division is going to exist. But Henry so who wins on Saturday? I think there's a chance it could exist. Six months from now, we could see another flyway. But if he loses it's done, it's done. I think it's done. Yeah. If you lose what do you think? Well, I'm not close enough to I'm not talking to people in the sport is like like bread is. I'm not. That close to the situation. I mean, I've read what I read, and I it seems like that makes sense. I guess I would just think about the personalities involved, and I think that for guy like Henry pseudo if if he wins his fight. It won't just be a situation of of money, and I can become richer by by moving up. There's gonna be something in his core. That tells him that that he's the real bantamweight champ. I mean, he just beat the guy that's Vaneman Cheb. I know his ten had to be ten pounds lighter to come and fight me. But I saw that guy across the cage. He's the guy that has been belt. I just went out there and beat him. And I think that's gonna make pseudo emboldened him to to wanna go right up there and get his belt. I think he's gonna look that way. He's going to say I beat the guy. I think they're going to be a lot of fans who are going to say they're not going to think about the fact that that the dill show had empty every ounce of water out of his body in order to step on the scale. They're gonna look at that fight. And it turns out this who gets his hand raised at the end, especially if it's a Finnish or something where where it's a pretty decisive victory. I think they're going to be people who are going to look at a dish don't show as diminish champion. And they're look at SA hudo as the guy who a stencil. Really is a is a uncrowned bantamweight champion. Don't you think? It would be a huge mistake to get rid of the division if he wins. Let's say let's say were wrong. And he wins on Saturday. Henry wins on Saturday say okay, we're still getting rid of it. It's done. Yeah. I find him to be incredibly entertaining indication out. I enjoyed talking to him. I think he's getting a lot better with his interviews. He's marketable. He speaks religious. He's a freaking Olympic gold medalist. Right. How many times because make can they say that they've had some silver? Medallists bronze is some Olympians but gold medallist. This is a very big deal. He beat the winningest champion of all time. And if he beats TJ they'll show that's a major feather in his cap. I don't wanna get rid of him. I don't mind seeing a rematch against Joseph benefit at one twenty five their first bite was phenomenal. And there are other guys coming up as well. Why I don't understand the insistence? Now, all of a sudden you have gotten rid of the DJ problem. He's gone. You didn't see I you didn't do good business with him. He's gone. Henry has an opportunity to be one of the faces of the you have C in my opinion. I think Henry is potentially more marketable than some of their current champions. Right. As far as doing interviews. He certainly a lot more entertaining. So why give like like why do this? I don't understand. Where's it's not like they're short on real estate? It's not like they don't have enough cards. Right. They just canceled a car you have another another bell. I don't get it. I honestly don't get it. Do you are you of the opinion that if he keeps winning? He just keep just it just keeps going literally. This is the flyway division. Is you think so I really truly do? I really truly do in the sense that. Chris. I was the featherweight champion. I think now it's going away because she's no longer the champion. They were going to keep that thing as long as she was the champion. Same thing's going to happen flyway. And I think that it's pretty darn cool. As Henry and his coach told me that people like Joseph benefit is and other flyweights match Nel who never trained with him in the past have come up to him and said, I want to help you TJ 'cause I feel like you're fighting for my job like this isn't some like concocted thing. Now, I understand the you can't come out and actually say this because people's livelihoods at stake here. But I really think that when you talk about those steaks, this is one of the most important fights. And you have see history like the division has never been on the line before. That's pretty damn awesome. Yeah. Everything that you're saying is certainly possible certainly possible. I guess a year is is. A lot can happen in a year's her and loses. Then. I think I think that they I think that they will be why. I mean, so it's almost like what was going on federal then that not a real division. But it's just kinda like have because they've already led people out of their contract. But there's still some left, right. There's still some names left. And there's the benefit is fight on this card as well. I'm just so impressed with pseudo these days, I really feel he's coming to his own. I think he's turned into a well rounded fighter. I don't want to see him fight a one thirty five I think he is best suited even though he's pretty big best sooner. Once he's figured out the way, cutting looks to be phonology. You see that picture of him? That was supposed to last week. I mean, he looks to be in tiptop shape. I don't get the rush all of a sudden now that is gone to get rid of it. It makes no sense to me. You say makes makes sense just like bread. You know, I get it. And I I would I also I would like what you put laid out that the result. I would rather see there being a two one hundred twenty five pound division. Then they're not to be one. Just because I think that having the fighter spread out and more divisions. Is a good thing having I feel like the worst thing that that happens in may in my opinion, this there's a lot of there's a lot of contenders for the worse than that. I made. But I'm gonna say the worst thing for me. Is this whole interim championship thing? Whatever they put out interim belt online, I feel like they should make it out of plastic or something it should be like one of the little, you know, we have like a fake you have belt in our office. And I sort of feel as your hand out that or something like little toy belt because they really don't respect it. And the reason that respect is is because it's not real. I mean, I think he's when I was writing these stories I would always refer to so. And so won the fo-, you know, well, the way bell there, whatever. And that was that was the way I felt. About it. So the reason they have to do that is because they want title fights all the time. And the reason they have the reason they have to do that and put another title on the lines because all the champions aren't always available. So how do you how do you avoid that predicament? Well, you you have more champions you have I love the idea of the one hundred and sixty five pound division. One fifty five one sixty five one seventy five one eighty five. Maybe it's just the mathematician to me, it just sounds more linear. It sounds sounds like it makes sense to me. But I like that idea. There are a lot of good fighters. I think that nobody could beat the major his Johnson at one twenty five and. I think there's a possible result where a very diminished T J dillashaw goes in there and loses to Henry pseudo. And it still does not elevate Henry to some kind of star status where he's he towers above all the other one twenty five I think there's I mean, I think you could see us situation invented Evita's is already beaten them. I could see benefit is going in there again and beating him I could see someone the other guys competing with them on a pretty strong level. So I would love to see one twenty five continue. But you know, what people like you? Br you know, you're you're around the sport a lot closer than I am. You're you're talking to people a lot more than I do. And I and I've heard other folks say the same thing that this thing is it's it's on the verge of being shut off the cliff, and I'm just waiting for it to happen. But for the record, I I mean, if it was up to me, I wanna see him stay, of course, I think flyweights are fascinating. And and they should find out what they have at Henry pseudo. You know, if he goes out and beats TJ Dilshad is huge win. He was great on on all use PIN's platforms. I've watched him on get up with with greeny. And what do you have that teacher dillashaw doesn't have? And he had a great. And he's he's like I got looks. I got you know, this. And that I mean, he he had great one liners very very good on camera. I think but I don't think that's what the see is going to do. I think that it's almost easier for them to just bite the bullet. If Henry Henry wins set up an immediate rematch, which will probably get criticized a little bit. But at one thirty five set up a rematch one thirty five man, you sell the storyline of TJ dillashaw was was to was to drawn out because because to Jeff's point, what do you do at TJ dillashaw? He's still the champion. So you kind of compromise that division as well. So I think it'd be easier for them to just say we're going to turn around we're gonna run backward and new new wait TJ dillashaw is going to be depleted. We're going to see the real T J dillashaw fight, and they don't have to deal to fly flyway division anymore because they don't want to deal with it. Anyway, I think that's the most likely say tomorrow is. And fell sun cell in the returning Dominick Cruz at some point they tell Koby Covington. I mean, there's so many people that have been that gives me a headache that scenario I mean could use plausible though. Absolutely danish. But holy smokes. Could you imagine? If that actually happens, the bantamweights might just go, I don't I don't know. Like, they'll go on strike or something. How do you explain it to them? I don't see that as as I don't see that as people being wrong on the same level of some other situation, we've seen I guess I feel like if you're a champion of a of another way class, and you end up jumping in front of the queue in order to get a title shot in a different way class. You've got kind of like your little special ticket because you have your championship belt. There are a few the people who few people who would say qualified in the same way, George saint-pierre jumping ahead of the the middle of Hugh. He was a legend in his way class any any any didn't retire. But he walked away from the sport as the champion. So you know, he was a defacto champion when he when he challenged for that way class. But but the you'll see has has on many occasions promise something to one person and giving it to somebody else. Holy covington. Michelle Tate of the two that come to mind for me. There have been numerous other ones. So I don't think that that the one thirty fibers are going to would cry if they will cry. Okay. But I don't know they would have the the strongest case now. And by the way, just because something happened in the past a mean, it's okay for it to have him. What he tell you? Two wrongs. Don't make a right come on. You're better parent than I than I mean. No, I do not wanna see that happen. I want to see actually. I want to see the air of the champ champs go away, or at least slow down a little man between US I was just looking at this earlier between you see one and UFC two four. There was one champ champ fight Japan versus George impure between two oh five. And now there's been four it makes no sense. And just the jewel champs. You remember when it forever, we BJ reineck tour, the only guy do it. Now, I need to kind of take a second to remember all of them and s should be the case feels like lazy matchmaking the Alner forget talking to Sean Shelby way back in the day at the time. He was the lower way class matchmaker. When show Silva was still around. He told me my job is not to create champions. It's creek contenders. That's my job. And to me when you do these fights not only is it lazy? But you're also bastardising your other events because you're now canceling out multiple divisions. And you need those divisions for future, pay per view and main events I want to see less of it. Like when I hear you. Bang say like, oh, one forty five when he's here. Woodley say when eighty five I like, the ehre of long, reigning champions, ESP Anderson Silva, Dmitri's Johnson, not balance. That's what I like. That's cool. Stephen Roach didn't last long, but that was cool though. Can I missed something? I'd be okay. He went to one forty five only because if you wins at one twenty five we of course. Okay. Yeah. But only because it's never been done before. I mean, the champ champ thing is overdone, but champ champ champion. Until someone can get four. No. But actually to your point. That's what I was thinking about as I remember when McGregor that this was a hugely not just because it was kinda McGregor because this something that that had not happened. But now it just happens like so frequently I was just talking to somebody here in the company who as we're ramping up for this big fight card on Saturday. There are people who haven't really followed the sport is closely. And we talked to them about things someone said only those two champions face each other. And I said, well, that's actually been that's actually happened before we really want to sell this fight in a unique way we could say, well, no, no champion has ever dropped down. Another person's way class and tried to compete. So that's that's the uniqueness of this. This added is fight. But the fact that two champions. No. And I I I don't know that I wanna see TJ go from one thirty five down to one twenty five then up to one forty five. That sounds like sounds like kind of crash died that I would. Put myself on and not very healthy. But yeah. But if he does that then we're going to be waiting for the first four four division simultaneous. And at least listening to this. Now hates hates me. Somebody will own every single title from from from flyway up to heavyweight, and that'll be the end of the whole whole thing right there. So of course, this is all moot point TJ dillashaw doesn't make wait you have spent some time with them. Do you have any concerns on this Wednesday afternoon that he is not going to make weight? I mean, you always have to have a concern. Right. But here's what he has on his side to big things. I do think that Sam Calva whether or not you believe that Saint Calva his strength and conditioning coach, but more. So his mad scientist that has come up with these algorithms, and he's former aerospace engineer who has come up with this formula to get these guys down down to weight and everything that he's told me and for me. I mean, he he told me Sam did they're cutting less weight at for this. They're cutting less water weight that we. The fight then than they did for thirty five which seems crazy to me an impossible. But he's got he's got that kind of mind on his side. I guess I the type of guy who will will diabolically go over every little detail that can't be a bad thing. Right. And TJ has on his side that he is a complete maniac. Dirty is insane. When I watched this guy workout right next to other professional fighters. There's something different about what he does. I mean, he is. So dedicated he is one of the most dedicated professional, athletes, I have ever been around. So if anybody can do it, I think it's him. I my money is on. He makes this week. We are going to have a really cool photo feature coming up later in the week. We have embedded photographer with TJ's camp. And and we're going to be doing that. I'm not sure exactly when publishers, but we'll have to after weigh ins, and then I think even follow TJ a little bit during the rehydration process and all that. And I actually before we started doing this this afternoon. I I was in a meeting and someone showed me some of the. Photos, and it's and he looks you know, Lena me doesn't look like it doesn't have that. Like, everyone kinda McGregor would would wait what's up on the scale hundred and forty five pounds, and he looked like a skeleton because he was so drawn out. Then of course, the next night he'd come out there. And look look pretty good. Well, TJ hasn't is not at that point. I was he's not at the point yet where he has to do the waterway. But but he was he's looking very lean and doesn't look like there's there's a lot of extra X anything on him. But some pretty cool photo. So I would just say look for that later in the week as you look healthy. I mean, does any fighter ever look healthy dorm when they're in the process of preparing for fight. I don't know he doesn't look I've seen worse seen fighters who who and I'm not talking about just on the day of a way. And when you see someone practically need to be held onto the scale, and I've definitely seen so people that look like they they were. Very very unhealthy. He doesn't look that way. He looked like some of the photos were of him, you know, in pretty heavy workout. So he's clearly, you know, he's clearly not depleted to the point of compromising his his his his his training and his preparation. I would say his physical. Look does look different though. Yeah. When I was in when I was in Los Angeles. I went to his house and a stand. That's I waiting for him to open his garage door and the like the garage door went up and I saw him for the first time. Did you look different? You just looks like a kind of a different guy. I think like in what way I think it's maybe just everybody would I mean? Way cutting is going to affect the physical look different people differently, obviously. But he his face his face looks gone. I mean, it does it doesn't look like the sucked out thing. Jeff talking. I was thinking we will. I think it will when he gets on the scale. Yeah. But it's just he gets bony, man. The guy's face is just is just to just where is this gonna come off TJ? Where's it going to come off? But it's all in the formulas. Yeah. Because he's one of the leanest one thirty five right? Like when he weighs in thirty five. Just imagine an extra ten pounds. Always lean. Yeah. Yeah. Like eight percent body fat or some some he started number. He signed the contract, or at least agree to the fight twelve weeks ago. Twelve weeks from the day the fight he weighed one hundred fifty four pounds eight percent body fat one hundred and fifty four pounds eight percent body fat twelve weeks and don't forget he's supposed to have thirteen weeks. But they moved. They moved it up because it's called. Yeah. Good on him for accepting that because I think a lot of people say I need that extra week. Right. Just crazy, man. Okay. So you're on the record Brett that he is going to make way. That's your prediction. Yes. Jeff. I mean, I haven't been there all like reliance on say, my gut says. Wein says I'm Jay got says I'm not gonna make way for. Yeah. I guess says that he will be because he's because he's a professional and an elite athlete, and he's not a guy who. Who have seen have any problems in the past? You know, what Henry pseudo has has missed wait before, you know. So wouldn't that be the irony? If so does the guy that it doesn't make it. That's the kind of thing that happened. It would happen in this. Yeah. After all the talk. Okay. So all go on the record is. Well, my prediction is he makes wait. But let's say he doesn't make wait. Yeah. I wanna give Henry in his team a piece of advice, and it's kind of playing off something that they told me earlier this week do not do not way in I wait till he weighs in if he misses weight, then you come. But the key is you let's say Henry comes in teaching one twenty six go with this. Then you come in. You cannot come in at one twenty five because if you come in and one twenty five it's not a bantamweight eligible title fight. If he comes in twenty-six, come in at one twenty seven come in at one twenty eight and asked for his belt, and then the debacles turn, right? Could you imagine that I feel like that could happen? So for those that don't understand why. Has it w w contacted you to to write their stuff? David moss have reached out several. This would be great. Whether you're whether I I'm not sure what I like more reading your stuff bread about the actual fights that happen or listen to you talk about fights that the events that haven't actually happened. They may never happen. But they're just so brilliant. The we all live theater. One twenty six to one thirty five is a bantamweight title fight. Right. One sixteen to one twenty five is eight flyway title fight. So you have to win one twenty five for it to be flyway terrified if he misses wait by half a pound by pound by two pounds, Henry just chill weighing after and say, I want his belt. I don't wanna cancel this fight. I don't wanna fight Joseph interviews. I just wanna for his belt you win. Because let's be honest in this scenario Henry's losing out. Right TJ loses on Saturday. He's still champion. Henry loses. Not only the champion his division might be gone as well. Turn the tables on the I love it. I love it. I hate to a hate to poke holes. Okay. But what happens? So let's say who to wait and nine AM. Sits around waits for two hours because you know, the teachers early if he's heavy. Yeah. Let's TJ MRs. He's got an hour. He's got an hour to do it. I know. That's where it gets tricky. Yeah. Because then he has to weigh in as well. Okay. How about this? Okay. Great. He comes in slightly above. Yes. Takes hours. So let's say TJ comes in ten fifty nine at one twenty six. He gets an hour to your point. Okay. If I'm Henry I come in at ten fifty nine and a half one twenty six now. I know it's not that easy to be on top of his way into execute. This. Vagit, but it'd be on point on my God. That's why I'm so happy. We're doing the official way and show on ESPN. Plus, by the way, because I feel like there's going to be some gamesmanship here unless TJ comes in first. And then all the theaters just. Saban's going to compromise. Your whisper, you're you're very famous whisper you'll you'll it may raise up to the point hate when they come first because then there's no more entry. Yeah. Like just let it early a couple of months ago and Connor came in like an hour into things who's gonna miss way. It was going to have. That's great. That's good theater. I dunno. I just think it's look I don't think there's anything in the rule book that says they can't do that. Just change the fight. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm all in. All right. That's good. So should I go back to my office? And and change all the things about flow showmanship tonight. Yes, I won't publish those yet. But I'll get them all prepare. Yeah. He gets prepared for Saturday. I don't want their products. It seem like there's some funky business going on here. But I'm just doing it out as as an opportunity for maybe to turn the tables on them if you're Henry pseudo. Okay. Great advice, by the way, to to to Henry seem piece of advice. I did and TJ's team. Yeah. Don't talk about max Holloway before the fight. Don't even mention it. In fact, when you get questions about it when you say like, hey. Because you know, you're gonna get that question. Right. You know, you're gonna get the question of how you're moving down to one twenty-five whichever be interesting to one forty five third bell. You know, what if he was like, no, I'm good. You know, max Holloway is a beast. Like, look how big that guy is he'd always by thirty pounds. Like, I'm set here. You know to belts is good enough. What more do I gotta do legacy? And then just do a complete flip. After you beat Henry, you're in the cage be like max Holloway. I'm coming for you. Because then then the drop is huge. Now, we're kind of talking about Holloway. And then if you call them out, and he wants to fight he calls, and it's like, okay, we were kind of expecting it. What if what if he had said adamantly deny? No, I can never find always. It's just too big u-b-e-r. You're going for the WWE to man. The till you guys going to be like running the show there. It's just having a little imagination a little fun. This is the toy department, right? Sport. It is really part of the sport is a psychological side of it is great. And and yeah, yeah. Let's end on this because right before we recorded you broke the news at Darren till will be headlining the March sixteenth card in London against Jorges. Mas Waddell, also on that card gun Nelson versus Liane Edwards. If I'm Leon Edwards. I'm probably annoyed because I wanted that Darren till fight yesterday. We reported that wonderboy Thomson is going to be fighting Anthony PETA's moving up to one seventy. So there's three interesting seventy fights. That were just added a division that has been in focus as of late because of the Comorros into our in Woodley and co becoming tin love triangle, if you will of those two main events that are happening two weeks apart, which would you like better, which one wonderboy Thomson, Anthony Pettus or the 'til Mazda. Fight question. Intrigues me more till till magical. Why think part of it is because till is in London. So right off the bat. That's that's that's that's intrigue there. But also. I would say of those four I'm just just in general most intrigued by till because he's the youngest. And I think that that he was, you know, rushed in some sense into that fight. Tyron woodley. I anticipate him still having a great career I have more, and this is nothing against those other guys, but they're just a little older they're further along the careers. I I don't know what their until is going to end up being, you know, I don't think Anthony pet is going to be a welterweight champion. I think he's a heck of a fighter. I think like the fights that this guy is accepting is absolutely insane. And I seen Thomson could be a welterweight champion. He's not done yet by any stretch of nation. But I really don't know what their until it's gonna be is gonna find that home at welterweight as he has figured out the way cut is that his longtime home is he gonna turn into a middleweight is even fight Robert Whitaker somebody I have a lot of questions about until you know, that I I guess I don't have about those other guys. So I would say most intriguing I'm intrigued by till also specifically because of what happened in in his last flight, you know, when a guy who who comes in undefeated. Not only loses but get stopped and get stopped by guy. Who's, you know, most people think of the champ as a wrestler? I know he's got the big heavy hands. But think of they probably thought that if the fight was ended by one guy knocking other now, and they were probably thinking that it was gonna be till take it him down as opposed to Woodley literally taking him down like a wrestler would and beating up on the ground. That was what happened Woodley hit him knocked him down choked them out, and I would like to know for Darren till what what is that going to mean for him. Is he going to come go out there a little bit of different fight or sometimes guys if they take their first loss that that next fight is a little bit interesting to watch. And and this case he's going to be getting a guy who is not timid MAs would guys going to step forward. And it's going to bring a fight. And so I think it's going to be an interesting thing. I watch both watch all three, but that's the one that. I'm really, okay because I think actually all three are super intriguing. I don't really understand. Why Pettus is doing this other than he sort of in purge? Tores coming off the loss to Ferguson. So why the heck not wonder boys not getting a title shot as long as these champion? So why the heck not for both of them? So it's fun. But I don't really love it for Pettus. I love the Leon Edwards Gunnar Nelson. Fight Edwards is on a roll. This is a bit of a step up in terms of I dunno test. If you will. But let's forget it happened. So long ago that feels a long time ago, but he is coming off a win over Donald to Rony. So I think that's a nice little feather in his cap that was a main event fight in Singapore. So I love that fight as a Komen to me the Darren till fight is only intriguing because I don't like that. He's staying at one seventy I thought that. Okay. You lost? A woodley. I agree with you. It was too soon. Take this opportunity to test the waters at one eighty five. See how you feel see how you perform see how your body. Feels those way cutter scary for that guy and Muslims tough. He's been out for a longtime. But he's a game fighter. Right. You know? Pardon the pun, his nickname game bread. I wish he would have used this opera -tunities like Pettus, but for different reasons test the waters, see how you're feeling what's the one. Thing we learned in MMA last year guys who fight closer to their natural. Wait, actually doing better right asked north cut the list goes on and on. I don't like this for him. I wish he would take the opportunity to fight at one eighty five. Feels I agree. And I agree. I'm trying to put myself in his head. And maybe once you make that move to middle eight it's going to be real time ever, go back down if you ever wanted to maybe thinking, you know, if there's a shakeup at the top of welterweight. I mean, he's right there. He's always going to be right there. So I don't know. Maybe that's just as only hesitation is that once he moves up. It's doesn't have to be permanent. But I just and we get a fighter on to talk about it. But just in my mind, I would not want to move away class and then try to think about going back down. I would I would want to save that move until I felt it was permanent. Yeah. I'm worried I keep thinking about that one way cut prior to that that fight against wonderboy Thomson where he looked. I mean, we talk about on this show TV show. He looked like he was going to die. Why I missed Dallas. What what was the talk around over the look out of Hugh member. There was so much pressure on him. Right. And so I think that he really focused on it. He did everything possible to make sure he'd Wayne was a title fight. But that fight against wonderboy. Just a couple of months. Prior was scary. Remember he had that video. And then he took it down. Of course, super scary. So I don't wanna see that happening. Of course, way cutting going to be a big story all week long with TJ dillashaw fight that was just sort of on my mind when I saw your report guys, this has been a lot of fun, right? Yeah. It just kind of flew by. I wasn't mesmerized by the by the by Jeff shirt for about the first fifteen minutes. So be held accountable for anything I seven once. I felt like I was my son. Fortunately, there's no video component. But I feel like people have seen enough Hawaiian shirts. They can take Brett's word, and and and trust that it is a great twenty eight degrees out. I do I do face radio, though, gotta say that. So well, I hope this is the start of something very fun and exciting for all of us. I love talking with fell reporters about this great sport about covering the sport about all the storylines about all the fights. And I hope that it's the start of a very fun era in the history of the sport the UC on ESPN era that officially kicks off Saturday night in Brooklyn, New York, Brett appreciate it. My man, Jeff, shade it. Thanks so much for listening to all of you out. There. Check this out every Wednesday, it's on the same feat. So you don't have to go anywhere else. 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64: Our Giro stage 16: An American in pink

"You're listening to this podcast at our did or the brought to you by I. Work flexible loans bid for small businesses. Today we adding up and he says you say that she out say fabulous she indiana. Are we lying today? We are in Africa if we made it this far over three big climbs. The tunnel is not much for climb. Napalm come Speak for yourself floated over that line the tunnel as a base amid bomb. Okay well Gary in the Motorola can oxide. Yeah definitely hillocks hillocks and the tournament of usually I'll go from the whimsical detail. Whimsical Tangent about which burning on the tunnel. I'M NOT GONNA do this year. A pre was where the stage finish the day. The JIRA within morning after Marco Pantani was expelled from the one thousand nine race wasn't it was where Roberta harass one stage and Yvonne Gotti got the Pink Jersey here very very famous spot in Jira history and primarily because stages very often finish their off to the center of the multi-role so a lot of lot of memorable episodes in Jira has taken place in close to Africa. Well what's coming up in today's episode? We're going to hear again from Andy Hampsten. It's all about gone via in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight very very famous stage. And we'll hear from Andy Hampsten exactly what it was like to T to ride that day in the snow and to end up winning the nine thousand eight zero still the only American ever to win the Giro am and what is a great story and Andy. Hampsten tells it extremely. Well it's part two our andy hampsten episodes and but before we get into Andy Ham story. M can you give us the tale of the top? Please Line Lexicon Richard. Yeah this is from show Lombardo to a precursor one hundred ninety one point nine kilometers on Danielle Free Branchini route. A pimple of the tunnel can intervene with with another whimsical Trivial detail. There's been beef in Italy. Lost few months about the appellation. Ultra Dj so this region the region so north of Trento Balsano has in the past been referred to as altoadige an satirical in in German. I'll try BJ's now being bombed as a denomination and it's now to be called the autonomous province of Zanele. This is caused big. Who are in Italy? So that's where we starting the Neil Thomas Province of bolts on carry on Napalm. I'll tell you going to say throw in some kind of ridiculous rule at your your own allowed to climb the Gavia bicycle before eleven. Am or something. I don't know that we next one take now being anyway. The governor which features heavily in our episode today Roy Smack Bang in the middle of the stage but the bit that will be riding on the GT cycling platform. Richard the Motorola is At the finish looks from the profile pretty in places. Angry red segment showing the gradient is an excessive about ten twelve fifteen percent For quite considerably slow. Oh at least we have snow. Darn I mean. I do smart trainers do yet do they do. They can be couples but but not snowing shower attachment going over the top will be next ranch it so that you can read whether endorse sky is got to be coming. Yeah but well. I'm already regretting the fact that we've got challenged. Yorker rules on our which means that you can abandon a stage and Ching Ching Galli of what for this stage? Today I will be taking off. Give the Motorola try and see how far up here I can get in an hour. Let's hear how aware catching on just before we do napalm? I DID INCLUDE. Nice lovely false flag. The top of the multi-role orcas. We're not going down the traditional way we going by a sort of another summit or another mountain known locally as Monte padro which hopefully hopefully will be featured in the Jerry. One day coming up from the fantastic climate. If anyone is does Klein the Motorola it's a very famous as popular destination for amateur cyclists. Just take that right. Turn at the summit and there's to Monte padro there's some fantastic roads tiny ray quite roads upon plateau. Generally you can have a great time up that just you know zigzagging around on top of the relatively low. Thank you very Monday through the wheatfield. Thank you very much. Phew Mercy Sir. Thank you for showing mercy with flat. Really appreciate a good a good omen today. The line is that Andy. Hamsun's bike to your company and Tuscany is called Chinguetti after while bore am so. If you know if you're looking for signs that this might be your day that could be under full wonderful. Well let's go over to the course and see of us is suffering on the climb okay. I'm still couple of days behind here. I am back in the sweat. Box back on the turbo trainer on the the absurdity of this struck me out. She has had to today's episode in which we look back with. Andy Hampsten his Jira win in one thousand nine hundred eight which he basically one on the Gavia on the snow covered. Gavia freezing cold wrapped up in ski gear. Just bothell for survival that day under. Well what madness here I am is shining. I'm sitting indoors sweating anyway. I thought while I was here I would remind you that. Stacey Snyder's podcast mugs on Cappuccino says the second and final batch go on sale on Wedensday Tomorrow at Twelve thirty PM. Us East Coast time five thirty PM UK purchase summertime six thousand feet central European time go to oetzi dot com forward slash sharp forward slash snyder ceramics details or link in the show notes. Good luck on. 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Finished a boroughmuir after the descent of the Stelvio and we drove down the valley and we stayed at fantastic little include Ottawa Canada. In b-e-n-s-o-n denotes undo was also there and he serenaded as after dinner did with songs about Verona Fernando de himself more. Maurizio fundraise there as well. I remember we arrive very late. Didn't we were holding our breath hoping still service food and they serve this delicious meal. Pasta with easy sauce absolutely delicious and it was a it was a really cozy. Little place wasn't Robin. The moans as it was quite cool outside and there's just cozy but will hacienda person is really popular. Place obviously is remember there were there. Were just cars kind of master around and yeah it was in the middle of nowhere. And it was my introduction to Dino's on and his incredible that range of songs on his record in his repertoire. Famously after winning the Nineteen Sixty. Seven tour flaw. That's it will all started his singing career and more more a singing career in the career. It will start it off that nineteen sixty seven tour flown this when I think I'll live on Rai. The state Italian television he sung an oss or saw mio interesting. Woe Indigo was also team manager of the Malveaux team at the end of the eighties. In the early nineties and Malvo's Classic Green and red hooped Jersey Quentin Narrows Onto Strike Jersey as in group. A in the COPPA Italia of Cycling Jerseys got some tough competition in their salvarani domain of counties palm tree and Vincenzo Nepalese Astana National Championships Jersey. Which really ought to finish bottom of the group and be consigned to the dustbin for not showing enough. Respect to the trickle order but still time to vote I think in Group D of The coppery Talia on twitter at cycling underscore podcast. We're GONNA crown the greatest ever Italian Cycling Jersey before we reach Milan on Sunday. Please please vote against Mapai wherever you have the opportunity someone who's colorblind red and green. I I never knew. They were reading green hoops. I just thought it was some kind of ready. Green kind of concoctions. Just Brown expect to you. Is it just a single shade of Brown? What what sperone one of our colleagues? The Italian Journalists Philip accounts. We're going to have on the PODCAST and a couple of days. He told me great story about going to the nineteen ninety-one Jiro in which the law stage in Nineteen ninety-one Jerem which Max had won the White Jersey Filippo. Just wall a white plain white t shirt and took him a marker pen and he he drew on the. Who's Max letty sponsor? Was It del Tongo? But year we drew on the logo. Anyway and that was the White Jersey as Adele Tongo Jersey featured in the cone. Indeed yeah the classic blue and Yellow Tonga. Which group is in Tell you? I don't think I can. Oh groups I like that one group see. That's the good one Max. He was ready for audio stare. Oh that's also in the yellow and red sort of a roof tile effect always one of my favorites that because Red And yellow walk. I colors are used to make my own cycling jerseys out of out of plane t shirts when I was a child. And you've probably heard of the famous tour to Kings Langley that Simon gale and I rode the infamous sex shop time trial that was just jersey. Which which is decorated using fabric pens than well. Unfortunately the all of the logos ran basically combination of rain and sweat. They ran but that was the technology we had in the eighties. Unfortunately Anyway Dino's undergo down your. What else would he famous for? Well I I'd like to suggest that dino liked to drink But will I become quite well acquainted with dino a few years ago when I was researching my Patty Murray and how great dino stories were an east a sets me that if I could him up while ever could him up at midday they were good called him. Apart three o'clock afternoon they'd be exceedingly good suggesting the between those hours. He like to uncork a bottle or two. I think he is also famous for Well why bottles flying out the window. When he was behind the weight of a team car on on more than one occasion I think did have different days when they different days the cycling cast now winds. Its Way through this of the Alto de Jack where the first one in the four zero is the far Dory Torelli which is interesting from by namic opinion run by Elizabeth Dory who took over operation as a nineteen year old. Some thirty five years ago. Now ill the go is coin array a great variety that really shows off. Its Mountain Heritage. Small flowers wild herbs with some cooler climate berries things like juniper some things in a slightly more stringent and. That's why the twenty months in large bowels. The Miller's out some of that flavor and some of that acidity to Michael Fabulous Food. So the by. Jiro focuses on the Nicholas leckrone which Lebron is also synonymous with a Alto de de. It's a cooler climate. Gripe that Jim really shows off some are similar. Flavors interest. Go Doc profile that more. Lena aspect gives you a fresh one release. It's well at Medina title this as well has been aged for eighteen months in large oak barrels and both horns would benefit from fifteen to twenty minutes. I've been before before sitting down to drink now. In terms of food matching both of these. I think would go really well with things dunk venison and even really fabulous wants to enjoy such this this the one from well clearly the Daniel free of of winemaking in Trentino at least better for the door. She was nineteen when she started making this wonderful all go prodigy very like myself very much like winemakers get a White Jersey best young white young. Yeah well I've never heard someone nineteen Making such prestige one. But what did you? What did you think rich quite dark? The Roby's quite it's quite sort of purply But quite surprising on the nose pomegranates. Crime Breeze Been mounting spice there as as offering greg from mindset sellers was saying Red Wine on the news daniel red wine on the pilot as well actually. I. It's very very smooth. Smooth Frame Falvo by dynamic again We've we've I'm not going to go in. I really did want to did want to spend a few minutes discussing dynamic one making and the Sun and the moon with you and how you know this. This affects viticulture. But we went. We went to well save for the wine. Podcast maybe and where you probably have a huge cycling segment because you're peppy more anymore. Cycling in the UAE wine. Podcast Arsenio Indulgence. Cycling SEGMENT OF THE WIND. Podcast talking about the nineteen sixty three tour of the Mediterranean. Show shall we? Shall we go back to find vintage? Jiro I'm fine vintage of the one thousand nine hundred and eight race The year before. Of course it'd be one by the Irishman Stephen Roach and Andy. Hamson went into the race as one of the favorites but an outsider. Certainly and between eighty five and eighty eight. He had moved onto. The Lavi. Clare Team all-powerful declare team. He was part of the one thousand nine hundred six am De France. Winning team When Greg Lemond went head-to-head with his teammate Bernard e-e-e-e-no he was a very important Writer in not race for Love Clare but he then moved back to seven eleven for the opportunity to lead that team he was. He was in Lamont Shadow at lobby. Clear the irony at the bathroom irony being that of course Lamont messed the eighty seven race when he was accidentally shot by his brother-in-law and and You know perhaps. Hamson would've got a great opportunity. How do you say that Lavi clear? We'll never know but he went seven. Eleven and led the American team has continued to develop and strengthen and he went into the eight. Jiro as I don't site favorite eighty-eight. Jiro rich we're starting on twenty third of May when think Vincenzo Tatyana? The race director unveiled the route. What would follow him? Dalby what well it was a very mountainous route. Wasn't it just sent them to do a prologue. Rounder being while each just finished up the maps well it was. It was in the first week of March fifth the March. He unveiled the root for a race. That was beginning six weeks later. I am six seven weeks later. That would that would be. That would be fantastic if they could do that now wouldn't it? Can you imagine the twitter storm? That was the case. You Know H. I'm totally unfair. The right just don't know what they're going to be doing. Well I remember Missouri had retired hardened by then and so they were. They were searching the mountains more than they had done it earlier in the eighties. And it was it was I. Italy suddenly became a very flat country when Francesca Moselle was in the Moselle years. Yeah so this was one that suited the climbers writers. Like Andy Hampsten. Whoa down. You're going into ATA Jira. It was a bit of a power vacuum in Italian state racing because Roberto visentin either win. Two years previously. He had been cracked by Stephen Roach. Maggio's you say had retired Giuseppi Sironi walls was still riding over the hill. And I suppose when you look at the g see that names that I mean Franco CACIOTTA won the Jira. In ninety-one he finished fifth of Vanity. One of welter. He finished six. There's Flavio G Pony who finished fourth. But I mean that was. There wasn't really an obvious Italian Successor to Moser and Sharoni at this point. No there wasn't napalm and it was a bit of an anomaly really Difficult to put your finger and Y The the one better stage rexes at that time I mean I think. The duck teams in particular redevelopment. This point on the the wearing that shot. When did rice internationally? But they didn't do of racing abroad. I mean Motza. Hot had an unbelievable career as we mentioned yesterday. One hundred and forty races. He did the Tour de France once In that sort of fancy finished seventh and also won the White Jersey and he never went back and babysat on. The was very precocious writer. Who was brilliant at the start of his career and when the GM and faded very quickly but he also only read the toward Franz wants at the end of his career. So the was there was a real vacuum. They've caused Argentine. Who was emerging and some of the fantastic one day races. But yet the the cupboard was pretty bad as far as stage. Stage racing was concerned. I think seventy five was the first year. The White Jersey was awarded to the best young rider in the Tour de France. And I think in eighty seven Surani was still riding for the Dow Tonga Team. And they were invited to the Tour de France largely because the race was starting in West Berlin. It was a way to invite to polish writers Chesler lying and Seki who ended up with the Yellow Jersey for a day or so in that Tour de France and Sironi was kind of the While he was he was the team. Leader The star his debut at the Tour de France coming at the age of twenty nine. I mean not not quite unusual these days you wouldn't be successful in the in the Jiro and elsewhere in a not. Might you debut to Franche until the brought to the end of your career again. Just shows what the error was like. Well we heard in last night's episode by Andy Hamsters debut at the Jewish Battalion has frontier in one thousand nine hundred five where he won a stage. He didn't go back until nineteen eighty-eight when he went in leading the seven eleven team on as are genuine. I say back for the Pink Jersey Been. Jiro for eighty six eighty seven and I was on the Lovey Clare. Eighty six Rejoined seven eleven in eighty seven as the leader but we focused on the tourists Switzerland in the dolphins leap raging that time period but we had hoon vet as a co-sponsor. I think it was just a lot of excitement within the team. I'm sure I can speak on. We loved racing Italy and the Jiro was historically very important race to us the tours a bigger race and it's the only one that was on American TV so it's what we had to focus on for our sponsor but it was bit of a homecoming for us to do the Chiro probably three years later coming back to Italy. We re thinking. Oh Great. We're not neo pros. They're not gonNA pick on US anymore and they really respect our team. That was very excited and we had a very keen team to come back to the needy of the rival other writers. And you were. You were facing there who who stood up for you. Who was dangerous low for me? It was breaking. We seem to always race together in that spring. One tour of the Basque country by winning Solo the short mountainous or hilly stage in the morning and then the time trial in the X. known which certainly gave him the overall victory He was a writer I really watched her. Zimmerman was very strong in those years Certainly Visentini there is a lot of young riders. Fondriest was around Johnny Cuneo. Rominger was a stage winner. Rominger was coming into his. Very Teak Form Jones Bernard as. Well Yeah Bernard was there but also we knew that Italians. We'd raced in Italy quite a bit when you the politics very well because we had Mike Neil as a director and we knew they they love talking to the press and they love you know they would never say they're going to win because they're always trying to be sly and hide their hand when they're feeling strong but we also knew their rivalries would trip them up even though there was a lot of talk about from Italian saying well we'll make sure in a talion writer wins this year because a foreigner one last year was Stephen Roach. Mean stage Twelve wasn't that you one. Nice little story Into Salvino Nice three there. But you're a view winning not stage with your your Oakley pilots. I mean not yet. They weren't very ver- very common in those days as at cycling cycling sunglasses. But you are. You're on a bonus for wearing them in the in the photograph of belief. Yes so that that was. That was a fun stage. It finished near Bergamo. Oh the Salvino was famous. Climb A lot of turns very nice stadium to raise up to the fans to watch and we did a couple of pretty hard climbs before that and it was a stage. I was that I thought looking on paper. This'll be great. There's too hard climbs beforehand to get on softened up and then I'll try attacking near the end. Johnston Gentlemen Equity. Today will be the Julia. Job Brand is great. I felt so good I had so much energy. I didn't even notice the to climbs coming into pretty sure. They were climbs. But the two things that I remembered now is attacking in feeling so good and so excited that I know one went with me and I think it was three climbers to go like really was timing for anyone who at the lakes to make a move and realizing that Zimmerman Roy king all these climbers. I was worried about like really really having a great day and also breaking tradition that I had finally discipline myself to learn in that you never take a bottle from anyone else because it might be tainted that day I was staying at the front on the earlier clients of writer that I thought we were. I was friends with from our amateur times together. So my age allesandro. Someone was on the career team and he was racing through his there so many of his fans I figure I knew he was from the area and he kept getting bottles handed up so he gets like throwing them away. I was out of water. Knows the last hour a saying and I didn't want to bother my team so I just asked him if I could have a sip out of one of the bottles from a fellow that looked like it might be as dad and he handed me the whole bottom so keep it which I thought was very very rare in Italian. Don't help foreigners then. I realized no these. Are you know. There's a lot of respect amongst ourselves and I trusted him that the bottle wouldn't be tainted and kept it and used it to win the stage on pocket the bonus and live. We believe well at the but it was That was money back then it was. It was funny because you know I the right. The those big ice shades and on a climb. I liked wiping the sweat autumn. My eyes so I didn't usually wear them. But the the last kilometer had a flat bit to it and I remember peddling his could being all alone but trying to get at time for general classification. Trying to get as much time as I could taking all my gosh. I don't have like glasses on lose a little time but I thought no it's all right. Just do it quickly and I put them on pretty quickly and it must have been on television and it was noted and it was included. It was noted by Francesco. Moser was hired to have a little blurb every day as a journalist. I think he was trying to follow the Italian slight Italian model of disparaging all things foreign but he was so impressed by the fact that this American obviously he threw away a couple of seconds. He did it quickly but he threw away some time to put his glass on because he'll be paid money. That's a house or whatever didn't know how little money it was but he so confident no European would have done that but this American for the money was so confident in his abilities that he remembered his little bonus program which I thought was an offhand compliment. The I guess professionalism as well have impressed them and the presence of mind in a moment to remember against that would've been indication of the sorts of farm patch. Nicely for only three up is the wrong phrase of course two days later. We've got the the famous stage stage. I mean how many times you've been. Have you asked by the The Guardian Siege Fourteen of Jiro? I mean if you're a bonus that you know Benny but it's was the day the Gothia Day was the one I was really looking forward to Going into the whole Jiro in eighty eight. I was I was hunting. I had bronchitis which I usually did. Most spring Preparing for the euro. But I ended up fourth at the two of Roman de feeling. I was recuperating I thought this is great you know. The Jiro fantastic race had loved going to race it to win it. If it doesn't work the team agreed with me or came up with the idea together. It would be better to lose ten or twenty minutes and then I could go and try to win stages so winning on the Salvino was fantastic. It proved was on very good form. We're in the deep into the second week. I was able to relax on the easier days in. Stay out of trouble coming up to that but looking at all the stages in the the race book the one that even more than the Stelvio the the stage that looked the most dangerous or the most dangerous forever but most advantageous for someone. Having a good day was the god via indoor meal because it was probably the hardest climb And one that would be good to my abilities. steeper than the Stelvio. The road was dirt. I liked riding on dirt roads but I hadn't raced on dirt road professionals But it was sometimes shorter stages present larger opportunities than long multi mountain stages still. It was one might team had been focusing on and actually I had very nice conversation but Gianni Motta who won the Giro in sixty six and was very big friend. Torch sort of anti-american cyclist. Because he loved selling bikes in in America And I met him in Burgum. Oh years earlier when I was there as an amateur and he came to me and the think it's either the prologue day or the day before that when we have all the HOOPLA with the press the presentation and he said and E. You've got you know you can win this. Jiro and you've got to do it on the GOB yet. So thanks John You. That's super He said he was really serious. Said cut the bullshit one. I talked to talion about how hard the Jiro is the riders. Call me an old man even my colleagues that I raised which with whoever the directors now keep saying the same nonsense in the that is the bikes are so these modern bikes are so light and they have so many gears now. The mountain doesn't really matter you know. It's the riders that decide. How hard mountain is you know? These old fashioned mountains aren't going to make any difference like they would have back in the sixties. He said this mountains a monster you have to focus on it because you refer for couple of decades from three three eight and I think sixty and sixty one or sixty one sixty two and it was a monster back then. The road was a little bit worse and flat tires. Were the challenge. Then so Italians were saying. We'll we'll just treat it like Perry Ruby will have mechanics with wheels for the flats on this dirt but it was a very very good dirt road. It wasn't a bad surface at all which ends up since it snowed being key. Because it wasn't slippery wasn't icy because the road crew had cleared the roads weeks ahead of when they would've on a regular schedule so the sun had warmed the surface that there was enough warmth in the road dead that when the snowstorm came in snowed on it in the in the plows cleared it. It wasn't an icy layer wasn't frozen at the base who is just slushy snow on a dirt road. That had pretty good adhesion again waking up in the morning having targeted the stage and seeing the weather was something that you relished or or or did you fear for the stage itself. I feared it because one two days before going into so oak but that morning we woke up. Our village was at seven or eight hundred meters and it was snowing out. You know we knew that that weather was coming but that was didn't expect snow and there was a special meeting between the teams in the race. Who are in contact with the road crew. Who reported no we'll have we'll pass the plow will keep plowing. The road will be passable The race was on. The start was delayed and we eliminated the descent. We would have started with but we get the tonality climb. We started on the schedule but later than we would have by twenty minute descent and it was sleeting dumping rain the whole stage. We were soaked to the bone the first five minutes I was wearing all the warm and rain protection close. That could've been on quite a few times mostly driving with my tour groups near the area. It's a pretty tricky climate. I would stay. It's a category two climb. It's fairly hard and has a fairly tricky descent. Even though there aren't any switch backs I remember on the Klein. No one was going terribly fast on it. We were all worried chatting and shivering and worried about what was coming in on the descent of the climb which is pretty fast because there aren't switch backs but a lot of blind turns. I remember shaking so hard on my bike that loosen my grip on my bars. Because I couldn't steer very well and I just had to lean the BUDIG can. Then there's a false clack. Climb up to county Delano which let's call it ten kilometers of easy climbing and I was hoping to warm up during that period and I didn't starting to hunker down and think maybe I should just keep all my clothes on and just try to stay warm and survive but I did what bike racer taught to do and look at this look at my opposition and saw everyone was scared. Coach leaves petrified white as a sheet. You know he had the leader's Jersey. Everything the booze no one. No one was joking and having a good time My team capped coming up to me with hot sweet tea and water bottles every five minutes. Were drowning Tedi but also they were saying. Hey Andy. Neal Neal maxed tester in the car. They're dying to know they keep asking me how you're looking at giving me something new to say amongst the climb very well didn't he? Because he had declined very well which which really helped because none of us went before the Klein before the race and scouted things out like as we might have done today the he lived in Lombardy and he'd been over many times so he he told us from Pokey Delano. It would be how I think. Six or eight kilometers of a wide road. Six percent grey very regular road. And then there'll be a few switch hard curves not quite switchback and then a left hand switch back and the road with. I think it's twelve converts from the top. He told us the road will turn dirt. It'll go down to one lane through a large stand up large pine trees so we would see that coming you know and also be no the kilometers Coming and then He. He told us you know one lane. Regular grade often very steep and on the downhill. There's no rhyme or reason to the whole thing like he couldn't eat. It's not that you do six switch backs and then have a long stretch where it'd be very fast and then more switchback it was. I been on my bike. I've been over the Gabrielle. Dozens of times since then and I still couldn't really describe it to someone eat. How if they're going to try to do that. Descent very fast. There's it seems that there's four right turns in a row and then a left turn It it doesn't it's it's paved goat. Track is how it was described to me so going in that valley. I just I remember having a conversation with Bob Role and we were both scared. But we're both very excited about the opportunity. Our team meeting had been about preparing ourselves to survive the best we can. And that's also the best tactic for Andy to go ahead with been the the key point of coal race is this is where we really wanted to attack and get me in the lead or you know what would happen. We knew the storm would becoming from Facing into the racing norse descent five kilometers From the top so we knew what we would deteriorate. The descent would be worse than the climb and who is going to be brutal all day long but the team went to all the ski shops who had little skier and bought all the warm gloves and wool hats and little warm clothing items we could find in each rider prepared music bag with those close in it but instead of feed democracies the manager would be one kilometer from the top with its music bag of warm clothes and swan year. We'd have hot tea few kilometers from the top for everyone so we didn't have to rely on the two cards for for all of our writers so this wasn't for me as much because if I was raising well I would have our lead car behind me with with my warm clothes in it but it would make a big difference for all riders on the team. They would have that little security blanket of warm clothes at the talk about that. Almost we had the swan years put land lion on our bodies not just our legs but our torsos arms back. We tried to waterproof our bodies as much as we could with Land Lion. That was something the writers really like. Because it's terribly hard to get off in the shower. Some of US would put it on our legs in Belgian classics when it would be really cold but it was Mike Neal convinced. Oh sits what channel swimmers us to keep warm water in that. We would be wet all day long so going into this. You know before Punted Lane Yo. We're going up hill. A breakaway had gone so del Tongo was doing temple were at the front. Not Very convincingly that was that was good Johann von developed within the breakaway who was a worry but there was no one was really worried about and it wasn't up to me to put my team to the front but during this period without being warm but drinking a lot of hot tea I just finally clicked in. I'm not GonNa say I got brave but I relaxed and I took off my jacket. I took my booties leg. Warmers arm warmers to soaking wet. Not Warm Layers. Twenty pounds of and clothing off of me in sent it back to my to my manager wondering how. I was doing and just had a conversation with Bob about while today. Is You know we've really got to be ready. And he responded. Yeah today it's the Gob you it's GonNa be great and you know he was trying to psych me up. I guess I no no no you be ready. You know. I'll I'll do what I can if it goes well. I'll do well. It's going to be so bad on that descent. And that was also our tactic than instead of me attacking on the climb and fighting for every second trying to hold the descending to the finish I was going to go ninety five I would attack but ninety five percent on the climb and hold enough energy that I could think clearly on the descent with the knowledge that giving up some seconds maybe by slowing down and maybe going some seconds or minutes slower on the uphill could pay me back in minutes on the down home just because of the weather and I think that there was a pretty accurate assumption so I had my team go to the front after Punti Delano and do pretty hard tempo but not not really too fast going into the base of the via and then when we hit the hard twelve kids to go when when it got fourteen percent and turn to dirt at how well that's a long way to go you're at the front. I one two days ago. Everyone was looking at me. Boy What do I do in the only thing I could think of was just to attack hard right away. I thought I'll dukes three heart attacks that should settle it into a group and then I'll worry about Kennedy the breakaways would can do for tempo. But might I attack gummy away clean and there was a switchback right after that so I could look down very accurately assess where people were and everyone was strung out. He was too steep for me to worry about anyone working together to catch me. Everyone who wanted to be was at the front. It wasn't a surprise move but I could see killed Shalit's Zimmerman Brawley game called a regular climbers that you see guys struggling as much as I was so I thought well darn at work so I I went hard. I didn't. I tried not to get too excited and go up Klein. That was very cold. New fight keep eating and drinking a lot for the calories. That would help I knew the faster I went the more heat I would produce. I was tampering down my enthusiasm a little bit. Even though no one caught me I knew from the chalkboard that House Holding Zimmerman NICB. Roy Keane can I think you pony? We're doing quite well keeping be minute two minutes but they weren't together so I thought well that's good. I if I go over the top with that they they might surge and catch me but you know I I can deal with that little group but I'll keep the pressure on by got a lot of T. There's a certain point where the road went through a cut out that's infamous because there's a tragedy with a truckload of soldiers went off the road back in the fifties so all of Italy new of this road at that point I picked up some hot. Tv from my point of my swan years. I've photos from that point in. Who's about them that I thought okay? I'm in the clothing. I had regular shorts shoes socks. No shoe covers but had a long sleeved undershirt over a Wool Jersey. I was leading the combination Blue Jersey when it was nice to have a will jersey in it had a short zipper on it and I thought well I'll better zip up to keep warm so zipped up that three inch zipper and I called my team car up on put on a wool cap and put a neck warmer. Take some fidgeting to get this on but the road was not so steep that I thought it'd be good time to do it. So I put the neck warmer task. My face with big metric pilots on was tricky. And then you know the Wool Cap. That will really pulled down tight. Now pull up the neck warmer over my nose in years for the descent and when I went to to dry to dry my hair I thought before I put on the ball cap. That reminds me. I had neoprene gloves on that. That divers scuba divers us. Because I knew if my fingers didn't work I wouldn't be able to to break or put clothing on at the top so I never took my my good clubs off but when I went to dry my hair a a hinted up knocking snowball. Snow was mounting on my head and I felt it rolled down my back and I had no idea I thought I'm not even melting the snow. That's that's falling on me with old. You know if it was snowing quite hard wasn't blowing. It wasn't blizzard but it was a cold wet snow storm and getting colder the further up. We were going all the time. You're thinking of self preservation for the dissent really. Aren't you mean the that would have been the thing for most senior mind? I guess yes so I was exactly as trying in. That helped me deal. I can't describe how cold I was even going up hill but I would check on. Thanks and I would just check back to that plan of. Hey hold something back for the downhill. Turnkey more eat more. Even though you're on a climb try to eat a sandwich. Try to eat something solid for that San. Because that's when I would really need the energy and that that helped keep my brain where it needed to be worrying about staying on my bike and staying in one piece to get the dissent in part of what I would do. Richard is I would look at the people at the side of the road and usually eat in a race. I would try to ignore the fans and you know aren't necessarily cheering for me. Because I wasn't a popular writer. But the general fan days but people were cheering so enthusiastically probably. It sounds really odd to to find out what's going through anyone's mind at any point but certainly a bike racers mind when there should be racing for glory. I really guided some people. Because they were `boring. Some people wrote their bikes up and they have their little leg. Warmers soaked to the bone like shivering. Were passionately excited and I realized it's not this. Isn't I've done that before? This isn't Tito new jumping up and down in the four tossed future recited. These people are really really thrilled. Because they're part of it there shivering. They stepped up the car. They're wearing every bit of clothing they possibly can and they're absolutely delighted that we're actually racing bikes so. I know I tried to gauge both. How cold they were just standing there to what I should how I should be taking care of myself but also just one crew exceptional experience. They were having watching me and the other guys racing so with that. I think I kept with my plan of not overdoing it on the climb. I picked up my new set. Dagan wind was pretty light. I taught him to take my plastic. Rain jacket audited. I have my clothes. Throw the rest back to jim manager but instead of my plastic green jacket was rolled up frozen. Of course and I couldn't slide my neoprene gloves through agrees and by now it's blow. This is the last litter going to the top. It's paid. The road was paved the last couple of is in the first couple of clunkers standing licey. Because I was blowing around with UNHINGE. Get a jacket. Should should've just stopped it on and fifteen or twenty seconds. But I had what I believe was forty-sevens seven seconds almost a minute embroi- kink on both all that fidgeting around he caught me at the summit and he didn't have a rain jacket of any sort on gloves. Arm warmers said. He must have raised up then I thought. Well that's okay. We're they're still. Johann von developed ahead of US SOME NOT TRUE. St- over the top but I'll now I can do the descent with Roy Kink. He's one of the people. I love to distance today but down to two. I'll just gauge descent of of how breaking descent. So we went over the top together and I followed him but he was very slow and I don't know if he was being clever. One me having the same idea of preferring for me to be ahead. But I realized he really wasn't comfortable in the snow and I grew up in a very snowy climate thought. Well I'll take the lead and it's not that much of a disadvantage and I think I got a gap on them. I never looked back but I think I got a gap on him. I didn't have the impression he was with me after a few kilometers descending and I wasn't going terribly fast I kept from Max's information I knew there'd be a lot of turns. The visibility was very low. Because I've been back to the mountain. I know there are points where you can let it. You can gain a lot of speed and let it go but there aren't nice predictable straightaways that you can see curves coming. It's it's it's always left or right turns with undulating road pitch on very good traction two inches of slushy. Snow on top of a very cohesive. Dahmer ADHESIVE ROAD SURFACE SO. I didn't feel I was in danger of sliding out but I feathered my brakes on tonight pedaled all the way down to fifty three fourteen just thinking if I stopped my One might gears. Were absolutely frozen other than that. One year the driller may not work. If I fight coast but also I needed to keep my legs turning because despite my advice to never look at my legs looked at my legs and were bright red with a sheet of ice covering my knee down to my Shan thought. Okay well now. I have enough energy because I ate and drank so much the roads not that slick if I slide off the road no one's GonNa find me. There's not enough light. There's nobody on the descent. There's no lead car. There's police motorcycle Mike Car can't follow me because the tires were little I'm really on my own. And then in the village of sent a cutting. I believe it's called After I think twelve kilometers of descending snow turned back to to rain the road was to lane send with with asphalt a couple of kilometers before the village the race lead the race director. Omni was legend. Has it he was. He was waiting to see if the raised whitcomb. Because there's no I'd leave the helicopter that relayed the TV signal is how they did. Their video wasn't flying but that was also the race radio so the race didn't really know they didn't have their communication going so the the word is beyond you just. Wenden cafe and drank coffee and stay warm and kept his driver at the door. Saying anyone Lemme know so from that point. They're they're lead cars follow car. And then burly king catches and passes me at seven kilometers to go and the road is very fast. It's on a good day or you know a racer in bad weather it. It's fast enough that it's it's one of those situations I didn't know if he was faster to coast or talk in and had that flappy after kept thinking. Should I get rid of it? I didn't because it was a little bit warm. It was slower but I thought I might have. I might have crashed taking off the rain jacket. And how was worried that I wouldn't care because sliding across the ground might be warmer than Ryan on it. How most able I was able to use Roy. Cancun have huge respect for in a situation like that as a route so I kept him in sight. He beat me by seven seconds. But I was able to. You know just as a psychological game. It's obvious it's a bike race but I was always slipping into a point where I wasn't sure if I was going to make it to the finish even though it was rain and not snow at this point. It kicked me conscientious enough to deal with bike racing in that point instead of just getting off my bike and trying to find somewhere warm. I mean we've seen in I'm thinking ninety-eight yellow report lost the Tour de France Year. Because he because he couldn't get rain capon on the descent. you know. Those moments in in races at are where literally where the race is won or lost. I guess and high conscious of you of that were were you. I mean you've got these two things going on in your head. I guess one is as vacation m suffering. The other is there is a bike race here that still to be one and I wonder how you know how how. How aware you of these two things and whether you were able to keeping your head all the time the importance of the bike race. Yeah good good question. I was because I kept putting it back in the context of just surviving this. It's a counting the kilometers down down at seven kilometers to at the speed pedaling. I knew I was going about a kilometer minute so the voices were now. Come on seven minutes you can do it like no never. I grew up in North Dakota. It is by far. The the coldest inhabited spots left colder places. But it no. We had seven month winters. Did you draw the thinking rationally? You must have an advantage over some late breaking did because I ride my bike to school will in the snow because it wasn't terribly far you know. It was a few miles videos warmer than waiting for a bus in not moving at all but I knew from that that my core temperature was lower than it's ever been. The danger is growing up a very cold. Climate was more frostbite it. I can't feel my fingers. Put them mouth allow. Can't feel that okay. I'm in trouble. You know. My digits are in trouble or my nose and ears would peel every winter because I went out did something outside too long and I I'd frostbite that skin but I knew that my core temperature was low enough. That wasn't thinking well In I really need to get somewhere warm very soon but it also realized. Hey a hot tub. This is the solution. Get to the hotel and hope to God. It's past the four nurse line because thinking of only a hot tub might have stopped if I would have seen my hotel along the way by John de la Vega and real chicqua mill ladonna research fellow premium. Louis I mean not stage and those images I suppose really elevate your winning not too. Don't they raise above? Winning grand is always a pre exceptional thing but the the something about that those images in particular not story the mythology around that day. That this sort of you know raises. Jiro above a low of other grunts tours. It does for me and talking to other writers who were there that day. It's a shared experiment that some people wish the race would have been canceled but talking to racers that just weren't in the top ten but just needed to survive the day. They're very proud of it. And perhaps more importantly it's a real privilege being an athlete and winning a grand tours enormous privilege that. I've had but talking to the people that live there that shepherds or their families are mountain people. They're still so proud of that day. The days in the sixties you know all the Times that the race came through but certainly that day because you know maybe it could have been canceled with bad weather. They're proud their way of life. Was you know they go through that all the time because it's hard weather up there the fact that the racers went ahead and did the race is something that is very important to the people that live up there? And they're they're very appreciative Knee or broke Cancun on the stage. But they're very appreciative of everyone who who did race so I think for that reason for me it. Everyone who finished that day or participate in that day really added something dot added because it was already on eighty myr seventy years of Chiro history. It really boosted all the previous hardships. That racers have gone through sort boosted the lower bike racing for the fans. They sacrified cast at our D'italia he supported by scientists fourth sciences. Sport fueled by science. Thank you very much to scientists sport for their support of the cycling podcast. You can get twenty five percent off by using the code. Sis C P twenty five at science and Sport Dot Com that's SIS. Twenty-five SCIENTISTS DOT COM scientists. Sports nutrition would have become in very handy. I imagine in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight on the Gavia stage on. It is amazing to hear on the Hamson Relive Day in particular in which was such an important day and together The performances to win the nineteen thousand nine hundred zero and it's. It's almost impossible. To reconcile the very fresh faced and articulate and polite and friendly man Andy Hamsters with a writer who are not. They had to be as tough as nails and to endure really awful conditions wearing clothing. That is certainly not as advanced as clothing is today to withstand cold. And I'm just the the the danger is well. I mean he talked to by the the unpaved road. The the snow that the ice the the lack of visibility am and we've seen lots of stages with the extreme weather protocol in more recent years being stopped Thir- you know neutralized and and conditions not not nearly as bad as let's face it And it's it's amazing that the stage went ahead and but it did and it was obviously a hugely important in in his. Jiro victory. Well you mentioned the clothing rich and there's some very famous pictures from that David. By far my favorite picture pictures are the ones of Johnny. Saville in what can only be described. Looks like I said Alpaca Wool technicolor knee-length Cardigan of shivering like granny on the summit. And I think Johnny Hunt a full head of completely perfectly brown hair until about day and then he came down from the Gavia him. It was lovely. Pearly why an Aspen ever? Since are you saying that Snow Snow? And he's half yes. Yeah yeah the nice kind of warming effort on his on his top as well So he would have been reasonable conditions. You Know I. It's a stage that is famous for those those pictures. Those images on Friday hampson particular and yet he wasn't the first over the top of the guy and he wasn't the win win of the stage. Those are quirks avowed day. Aren't they know you haven't Vandevelde? A document was first to the top and had to stop him was so cold and Safa where they all suffer terribly on. The descended was just who was able to keep going The the most and Eric Breaking won the stage in Hampton came into bore me seven seconds later but when you look at the results. Petro Garda was in tenth place at seven minutes and eight seconds. It was a real you know it was. It was a day that as we said yesterday in setting up this episode does deserve the The the epic tack really and probably something that Daniel Talks about. The mystique is preserved by the fact that we can't watch it really. There's nothing there's no footage of the condition so we kind of it all builds in everybody's imagination just from the photographs which are obviously clearly extremely cold and on the stories of now right in a ski shops to get jackets and stopping in cafes to warm open and You know the the debates on the road about whether to keep going and just to sort of the you know. The fact. That the race organizers pretty much blew the whistle sent them all off there and see what happens I mean billion on on the ground in two thousand ten when when they sent them into the Pera knees for the first time but yeah I mean the pictures. The snow m beginning to to sit on writers gloves and and so on. It's almost like an one thousand nine hundred thirty s assault on Everest. Isn't it more more than a bike race? You mentioned the twitter storm Napalm. That would have happened. If if the euro was now announced. The jewelry was unveiled six weeks before the start of the year. I mean imagine what it would have been like hot present day. Jira boss sent sent riders down the Gavia in conditions. Like that while the extreme weather pro protocol would've would've done for and probably rightly so to be honest. I mean you know there is. There is a line and that stage. Probably your both Richard says smiling at. You could just imagining. I'm imagining the tweets. It would be a virtue signal paradise. Ridden a calling foul calling file on that. But not as one of the ironies we know you know when I started. Fetish is in a way and we celebrate the for cycling and granted. I need is an extreme sport. And this was this was granted or cycling in-extremis and and an says extreme as it gets and so we celebrate. But you're right. It was dangerous on something. Dreadful might have happened and you know writers could have had very serious health problems as a result or accident. So M. Yeah it was. It was crazy it was foolhardy even in the absence of something terrible having happened and I did notice you know just reading the newspaper reports from the time that it was a tragedy even then You know the ride is I think they will go. Safely to Balmy The press want to nominate with Vincenzo. Tony the direct to for for sending them down the Gavia on the other hand the is. I think some of the ride is new that being through something that was going to be talked about for years to come in fact Sean Francois Bell now the French writer who is one of the favorites. Still at that point I think in the race uses sitting contention. He had won the next day. Actually yeah and he had to abandon occur a few days later and he said in fifty years time children and grandchildren will still be talking about that day on the cavs and he was right. I mean we're not quite there yet. Fifty Years Berg. What intrigues me? About one thousand nine hundred zero is the no one ever talks about the stage. Two days later which was from Madonna to innsbruck an John Francois but was a gain a protagonist and that day the race was never the Timmel's Jaakko the puzzle rumble which passed that goes from Italy into Australia. And he's known as the secret passageway because it allows you to avoid circumventing. The Brenner Pass. Which is notorious for traffic. And it's a beautiful climb two thousand four hundred something meters only time the jurors ever been over one thousand nine hundred fifty eight. But I'm sort of traumatized. Shell shocked by what happened on the Gavia. The ride is it sort of got together and said well the cost pretty grim weather full cost and they thought it was gonNA snow again and they said right first sign of snow. Were gang off our bikes so off. They went up the puzzle rumble and about halfway up. There was sort of sleet. Snow got off their by news. A bit of a confab is it really is this. No does this justifies getting off and they decided on the whole the did but not all of the say yes but not all of the right is the Swiss writer Daniel Giger he. He bolted off down the road. He didn't idea to the sort of The moratorium and and then the ride is continued and stopped again when the snow or the sleek slightly worse started talking about stopping the stage and again there were a few mutineers now John Francois Bernard's sort of set up a picket line in front of the Peleton to stop anyone passing supplanted his bike and challenged anyone of a kind of a Bernardinos ask stance in the middle of the road and and then the Darndest Balti- started rebelling against the riders telling the riders that they were a disgrace. They were snowflakes for not carrying on and and then they set off again and then there was a third stoppage in a tunnel and they finally decided to everyone was going to go to the top and over the top down the side in the team. 'cause and they were going to carry on the race much like some. Ramo in two thousand and thirteen from the bottom of the descent into innsbruck but again the were few who broke rank. The Panasonic team They they ignored the order and they went off down the road and the other riders as pretty much as they were getting into that team. 'cause they had to abort that abandoned the mutiny and they had to race and there was a furious pursuit than down the other side of the. Tim Into Innsbruck and and Bernard we've seen with the clench waving clenched fist. Vincenza torreon he later and yeah it was it was all pretty shambling cracking quotes after the stage. Fred. The broin us was won the Panasonic. Ds's team just he said about the ride is wanting to stop their pathetic. If if we had to stop raising. Because of rain in Belgium cycling would be abolished and Gino Bartali. Who was doing one of his lost Jerry? As a pundit said now they're stopping for two drops of rain in my day. We didn't even get off on bikes if a war broke out. One of the There were only two only two abandoned on that stage to innsbruck one of them was our friend. Chesnay Capellini older brother of Johnny and just going back to the stage over the guy via a ten abandoned day. One non starter. I mean. That's a bad another relaxed time. Cop didn't they but I only ten people Didn't didn't make it all the way on that bike so mean not not not as big a taller. There's probably some rule breaking going on some cracking stories that we've never heard from TV cameras forty riders. Who did the cavalier in the car? Yeah I don't know about you. I really enjoyed listening to Andy Hamson. I emptied him a few times over the years for well I for the Badger of my book but eight thousand six hundred dollars. Find Very Generous and interesting to speak to. He does spend quality year in Italy. Now I'm in Colorado the rest of the year and you know there's I mean we've we've heard from him on the eighty five eight zero but there's the such unintrusive story has to tell part from his own successes. He was a teammate of Greg. Lemonde Bernardino Lance Armstrong and Miguel injuring. He spent a year at Banesto towards the end of his career. So he's ridden with some of the greats and and the controversial Lance Armstrong and had some amazing successes himself and that Jiro in it really puts them in an in his own calf. Degree is the only American winner of the Talia. And so we'll revisit. Now Andy Hampsten Story. I think in the company of Anti Hamson at some point in the future. We should wrap things up the before we do just a corrections corner from something I said earlier. I joked that if dan you did have a wine podcast he do a long Rambling Detour to talk about the history of the nine hundred and sixty three tour of the Mediterranean. Well the tour of the Mediterranean didn't actually start until nine hundred seventy four founded of course by by leaks. You know we're just makes it even more likely that you would dig up some kind of story about precursor to the event listen. I'm didn't get mentioned yesterday when we're talking about great descendants one of the greatest descendants of all time by most accounts. Komo not off corrections for one episode. And what's coming up tomorrow Daniel in question? Good question Oh we're going to bed come on we. We're going to go to bed. Komo on because we were we went staying will be heading through the suburbs where we've fighting through the suburbs of Milan On the all full ringroad guys around the north of Milan and be going tools. A place called my Jane which is where you close to there is when where Luca Greenwich Elena. Who is now the team manage our team? Principal the head Honcho. At Trek Sega Freida was born and them. Yeah we're going to be hearing my conversation long conversation. Had We look Jelena where he comes from? How he got into cycling highs and lows in his managerial career. Well guess what I includes on them. As as we as we Scott Burger Mu m stacey Snyder's second batch of monks will go on sale. 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Ep. 2,914: Walt Harris, Ray Cooper III and Cesar Balmaceda

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Ep. 2,914: Walt Harris, Ray Cooper III and Cesar Balmaceda

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So we're very cognizant of the fact that NHL playoffs. NBA playoffs are well underway and we've been enjoying them. So you got something to say about that. That's fine too. Cannella was Jacobs was a boxing match high profile boxing match that took place this past week calling about that. It doesn't matter man. We just want to hear your voice, especially the new callers. So hit us up at any point during the show us. I read off the times, and you see that really next. Thirty minutes are pretty wide open. All right. Let's start off with some pretty big news Daniel Cormet, the you have C heavyweight champion. We heard during the broadcast of the U of Seattle show that officially he will be defending his UFC belt versus. Skirt. Sergei speed steeping milch the former UFC heavyweight champion by the time. They fight it'll be about a year removed from when Daniel Cormie defeated. Stephen Roach is going forth forth. Title defense and coordinate knocked him out in the first round. And then if you'll be called rock listeners stormed the octagon a little bit of a pushing match DC was in heaven, man, he's a big pro wrestling fan. So he loved it. Not only. Did you love that? He loved the fact that his next title defense at that particular moment became Brock listener why because that is a huge pay per view and world champions in the UC. Oh, they don't really call them world champions with champions undisputed champion, actually all champion to see get what's called the pay per view cut and the more that are sold the more lucrative. It is for you. So DC do wait. This thing this bad. Boy could go about a million. I can make a lot of fight in. What could be my last fight before? I retired. Now this was last year. And remember he had given himself a retirement date of March twenty two thousand nineteen because that's when he was gonna turn forty well that came and went and looks like he's still wants to fight a back injury prevented them from really doing anything past the Derek Lewis by and. Now, the Brooklyn fight is off. So he will be defending steeping coach. At on August nineteenth at UC think it's called two forty one. So. He did the area who wanna show on ESPN. And he talked more about other stuff than really that fight. And we have some cuts from that. Don't we think we're getting those ready? Okay. Okay. We're getting those ready right now. But. I don't think I'd have to give you to many guesses as far as like, well what other topic? Do you think he broached? I don't think I'd have to even the most novice fan. Are you get three yeses? I think people could pretty much circle back and figure out what the heck he was talking about. But as we get that together, we tell you about one other thing that's DC related, and then we'll come back to DC was not a big fan of the broadcast on his own for Cannella versus Jacobs and. I you know, I talked about this a little bit as well. The voices were just not recognizable to me. I didn't feel like I was at home proverbial home of when I sit on each be. Oh, and I hear Jim Lampley or wouldn't they sit down and used to here on Showtime sports, Morrow Renaldo? It was just a different crew different voices and those different camera angles and all that could be fresh. Maybe I need to get used to it. And I enjoyed some of it. But still it's all new to me. And so DC was the biggest fan of. The call those fights and Sergio Mora who was part of that. Part of that crew had some very interesting things to say back to Daniel Cormie cash that goes I did and it was on at the fights. And he also had a tweet in really relations to all go ahead. Where do you sit on it? Is it boys will be boys was one where one of them out of line? I mean, I know that people can be sensitive in this new online age where you get criticism. It's hard to take it. I thought it was different. I don't wanna say it was bad. But I just thought it felt different more pushed back, and then I thought de seized return was actually pretty good. It was it was and. Here's a broke down. DC? I said. Brian Kenny and Sergio more really suck connect to the point Cannella one. But Danny fought a good fight, man. What WT f what the fuck? They ruined the fight Sergio more of fires back. This is all on Twitter. DC is at DC underscoring ame-. Sergio more is at the Latin snake underscore sergent. Morris's Saryu thought I suck champ. I think you're striking sucks. Let me work with you. So at Johnny bones doesn't kick your ass for third straight time. Pretty brutal. Yeah. But I don't feel like he was out of line. He was the points that you saw. Yeah. They sucked. Right. So he fired back DC. Fires back. Now. Look this could have been a private message or could have been a direct message. This could have been just under the time line. But instead decided to re tweet it. And of course, the re tweet includes the part about him getting his ass kicked for the third time by Johnny, Johnny bones. He writes, pretty good surge. Solemin re tweet that so people can actually see it. You have ten thousand followers. We can't waste good material. Can we you sure didn't have any last night during the fight. So he reiterates. About the good material. No reiterates eat inappropriate, his call a fight. And he lets them know that. Hey, I'm not hiding from this. You know, every time Don Daniel Cormie has to hear something about the Jani balls fight. He's not gonna like it digging lab at off even if he's drunk with his buddies or whatever you can laugh at every single time you hear that that's got us team. And yet he will elected the re tweet it and make it a part of it. So that's what made it actually a pretty decent comeback. Here's what I will say about both fighters in and both of them are analysts as well. I think both of them if you put the cone of the truth sermon them would agree that they respect each other as fighters. Oh, they got to think just maybe Daniel pulled the trigger a little too fast on what he said right in a way because he's done that he sat in that same boat in that same seat. You know what I mean as far as like call? Calling the fight a certain way. And I'm sure people have come at him before. And he hasn't been the biggest fan of somebody just lay in the hammer down like that. So that was little he did lay the hammer. Yeah. But here's the thing when you lay the hammer, you can't really expect people to come back and play the game with you like if you lay down a hammer expect to get hit with a hammer right back. And that's what happened. I think both guys realize that. And I think they're both kind of okay with it. But behind closed doors at you set them down, they probably just go. Yeah. I probably overreacted a little bit. Yeah. But it was fun to watch. Yeah. It was. All right. Well, that was a little tiff on Twitter this past weekend. Now back to what I was saying earlier, we do have some cuts from Daniel corey's appearance on area Hawaii show on ESPN. Plus where he talks about a not not not not what I was expecting which was more Stephen meal, just talk, but a match up that he really wants. So let's go to cut number one here. Now, look man, it's all I want. You know, I think when I fight Jones. I think that I feel most complete went on to parent for competition against I got because it makes me train harder mixed me train smarter. I do everything right in preparation. I believe that. If I do stick around that would be the fight that I would do it for and it would be at two hundred and five pounds because I need to go get that back from him. All I want. He said so the meal fight is probably a huge disappointment to them at this point. I think so moneywise what he wants to achieve in his career. I think it's a disappointment. We already beat them. Yeah. So Jon Jones's everybody kinda how I feel about you literally like probably the toughest fight. He could take. It's a fight. Yeah. So for him to get through a once and then Jones to it again, not that Jones is the lighter guy. But remembered to fight Jones, you gotta cut the tool five to fight meal that you don't so right away. That is a whole other animal that's his whole life changes in a different way to get down to five. I mean rankings aside, and everything I would think that obviously Brock something that he wanted, but after Brock I would think that somebody maybe like a Francis gone, a young fighter that you know, still gonna fight for years after this. That'll probably have some pretty good accolades a chance to bench came Alaska's fight. I would think something like that would help him a little bit more when we're breaking down like who the aspires of all time were then we go who is he fought at heavyweight, and we look at some of the names. I mean, he just see how rematches don't really help you all that much. How can you top the first one you finish them? I would've been impressed. If. If he'd beat him up for five rounds. Right. Maybe it was a boring fight. Wow. Nobody really does that too steeply finish them. How's it going to top that? I don't know that it's going to do much for him being the greatest fighter of all time as where even taking a guy like Francis. Who's shown that he's been beatable? I still think throughout that guy's career. He's gonna make that that victory even better. So I would think matchup like that would benefit more. But Amen, he got caught he got caught in this situation. With Brock didn't work out. Now, he's got the gotta make the best of it. Right. So. Yeah. Now, he's fixated on Jones here in these cuts. But. We've talked about. Hey, this fight could have an at tool five or sorry at heavyweight Jones wanted to go to heavyweight in the past. But if you talk about the recent past, and by that, I mean pretty much Jones has been back on the radar these last few months, the fight card in Vegas got moved to LA. And then the one that was just recently in Vegas. He's been back on our radar. He's kind of like. Gone a little cold on that talk. So this is DC talking about why it has happened to five I don't need. I don't need the deck's stacked in my favorite my whole life. I've overcome odds. Right. I've I've I've up hill battle after up hill battle entire life. Have always been able to get through it. You'll this is one of the only thing that I have not been able to conquer in and. I need to do it. I have to get it. Right. And I have to get it right on the same terms. So there's a fight out. There will be him. I again in it'll be at two hundred five. All right. Couple things here. Who's the side at this moment between those two John Jones, and Dan Cormon. Yeah. Actually, I believe it's Daniel cornell's John Jones still thinks. Yeah. John Jones doesn't sell by himself though. I know and Daniel does now. Who how we've been steep eight. Well, not those Astra nominal numbers. They need each other to do astronaut Michael numbers. Yeah. For sure. But right now Jones beaten twice. I don't know that anybody who. The greatest what anybody says Cormie, which I often say by the way people go, but he didn't Jones Jones right now. I'm actually on the argument of the Jones side. But whatever I maybe we disagree Anderson. John Jones whose tune into by that right? John Jones is great. But nobody's gonna tune into by that Daniel Cormie countdown six or seven heavyweights, I think people still buy it. You get make me pull up over rain. You wouldn't watch that you wouldn't watch to our friends enemy pale. Let's see here. Throat. We're going to get thrown off schedule here because this one's bothering me. Okay. Pay out his where I well. I misspelled it may pay outs. Where I go to get some. Information from the business side of mixed. Martial arts you're saying right now. All right. Just pick names like. Now, I wanna see what. The how they've done on sales in their most recent two fights. So this is run by Adam swift who I think is. We have a mutual friend in. Andrew simon. And they talk about payouts here where we're. Don't go here. Often enough to go to know where the hell I need to go. Oh. Okay. I struck out me. Hey out paper views. Maybe I'll dig it up in the commercial my point was going to be I wanted to see what Jones did in his most recent title defences without Cormie. And then see what Cormie did with the Derek Lewis fight. That's what I was going to do. But I am not getting there somehow. So that aside let me go back to my point. I said who's the ace? I don't even remember my point was going to be goes. DC jones. Fuck I forgot what the hell is talking about well with the holy site thing because we were saying that he doesn't need him or write about so. I'm trying to read to why DC wants DC says have been able to overcome everything in my life. And this is something I haven't been able to do. Could could there be anything of to this? Could it be that? He doesn't want Joan Joan Don domes never become a champion now. 'cause that's DC's. Anybody that argues a DC's degrade is he was a light heavyweight champ and heavyweight champ. Sure, he didn't Jones, but he did beat the heavyweight and the best heavyweight the ever had which is something Jones is never even attempted. He's never really attempted to heavyweight fight. But if Jones were to go in there and be DC not only will you beat them for the third time twice on record. But he would also be a champ champ. And he would probably even overtake GSP. Now within the argument there. You know what I mean? So could it be that he just doesn't want Jones have a piece of that? I mean, look time to be real slick for that time. They weigh in they rehydrate tow ball to twenty five to thirty. Anyway, they're fighting heavyweights. So just say, hey, look, you stay as healthy as you can meet me in the middleman as heavyweights. And then that's that. You know, what I mean granted again Jones would be the only one that that haven't anything now. See could add a title defense, if he beats Jones and that also helps him and then it'd be fights one more than he ties deeper meal, which is record of three title defences. And he'd have the win over Stephen Roach. Thereby could be the best heavyweight you've ever had. So there's some advantages to doing it at that way classes. Well, I heard something kind of interesting steam coalfield used to host here on on our channel he was doing interview with Joe ties, man, there's football talk. But I'm going to bridge the gap and Joe thighs Mond was saying it's almost ridiculous to try and compare quarterbacks because they just played in different areas where p fighters are players different there faster stronger on that. Right. So he said the fairest way to do it is to do it in increments of fifteen years, which is kind of like somewhere along the lines of most NFL careers. Right. Not most most most well quarterback careers, maybe. Yeah. Okay. Which I thought was kind of fair. So when it comes to mixed martial arts 'cause what I'm thinking. All right. That would be nice to have more title defenses in St. pay. But don't you feel like somebody's just gonna come around and break that as well all records around so champ champ? And all that like, it's not as it's impressive. It's very impressive. But I really think little things like being grand prix champions, those sort of things fighting different organizations. I think that's what's going to separate fighters at the end of the day. And that's something that he does have that strikeforce grand prix. It's pretty interesting. So I wouldn't get so caught up in apples for apples with certain fighters because I just feel like your records is gonna get smashed anyways. Like when we walk up stairs like right now. He's right there right now, Pete Rose. He's done some great things. P rose probably wouldn't have been that great a player in this day. You wouldn't. I think he would emit four thousand hits the pitchers are insane. Now, man, I guess I don't know about all that don't hitters the hitter. Like, I think you just have to kind of put them in certain groups, like if I'm Daniel I wouldn't get too wrapped up in trying to to do those type of things I think you sit back on to divisions champ champ. Not a lot of people have done those things. And then add in the fact that you wanna grand prix. I think I'm pretty happy, man. Just call it a day. Now if DC beats Jones he can say I legitimately one off the incumbent. I didn't have to fight someone for the vacant. Nor was I given the title back after somebody. Had a no contest someone that took the title from me how to no contest. So there would be some satisfaction to that. But I will leave. You got the satisfaction from sitting there in front of us after he beats steepen me otas that was legit title that he want no questions. No astras. No, nothing. You see what I'm saying? So I don't know if two five oh one one, right? A lot of people don't count the other one. So you're one one. So now, you're gonna find him again. No. But you're one one and you help to titles. I mean, I I think that go thing is something that that. I think he wants sees not as outspoken when it comes to that unless he's tweeting Sergio Mora for the most part he's kinda chill and he lets people do the talking. But I know he he loves it. When somebody makes the argument for him on that behalf very very competitive. All right. All right, folks. We're going to go to break. Here. Listening to 'em may junkie radio on fight nation channel one fifty six when we come back. We'll talk a little bit about some wrassling that took place yesterday. At the Hulu theater inside the Madison Square Garden where their main event featured may fighter you have while to to be more exact Ben aspirin in. He wrestled Jordan Burroughs two time world champion and two thousand sixteen Olympic gold medal chamber. We'll tell you all about that. When we come back. Both iphone and Android. Carry a feature to make their show more enjoyable. It's called the mute button here. Those two numb nuts. Gorgeous, Georgia goes. Catch a compelling champions. The clash tomorrow on siriusxm FC. I ax can continue their Cinderella story and clinch a berth to the championship game. But they must I dispatch a Tottenham's teen with his eyes said on its first ever final. Don't miss a moment of the action tomorrow, and that's in the afternoon at two pm eastern on series XM FC one fifty seven streaming on your phone or at home on Sirius XM connected devices and speakers. Today Barcelona choked they went to Liverpool with a three nothing lead and lost four three. You'd be happy. You went there would like to nothing lead. Right. Yeah. That's pretty comfortable. Do you not that you remember last week when Barcelona like literally the last actual play the game Lino messy? There was like a breakaway counterattack. Do you remember when he passed it to them belly? I think as is and the guy just boot kicked it right up to Liverpool goalie or else that would have been the fourth goal. That would have been even more catastrophic. But let's say Liverpool comes back right now. They'd still be doing not now. But you know, what? I mean, they still possibly be playing going into penalties. There were a lot of people here. A lot of Liverpool fans. What didn't happen though is bar? Solano didn't score. That goal had scored the goal. They would have forced Barcelona to score fifth goal and not like liberal score fickle and not that they can do it. But it's demoralizing for some teams so Barscelona played real good in the first half. Had they made it as one one. Dealer team said while we got forty five minutes a score. Four goals. Instead, it was one nothing. They knew hang the score to and we're on our turf will carry some momentum possibly into this team. But hey, that's in the past. And now they're in the finals. And now the winter I x versus Todd ham will meet them in the finals of the Champions League. Do you know Gabby you're Barcelona fan, huge Barcelona van and I almost cried today. Oh my God. I must have been brutal. It was so brutal. And I'm so angry. And it was so and like some other guys in the office are big Liverpool vans. And I literally was I don't even come here. And talk to me today. I'm not dealing with you. I I don't even wanna hear it because it was so it's so people don't realize how ridiculous of a comeback. It was just so mad and you're so right. That last play if they were scored that goal. Remember that? Right. Yeah. Well, that's the thing messy can't do everything. And this is what I say all the time. He tries to set everyone else up to score and dischord these goals. And sometimes it says do it himself. Yeah. Yeah. That goal. I think at that moment. I thought that I said this to myself that could come back to haunt them. And then I go come on three. That'd be all right. And now they could have used that goal. Just to take it into overtime. But hey, it's in the past man, all you can do just sulk about it and twenty four hours you'll be better and you start turning the page to next season. What are you gonna do? I know of Barcelona fan like Gabby right now. It'd be pretty bidder, but I'm not I just sat on the sidelines watching. But yeah, I've kind of seen a lot in sports, but that was one kinda didn't expect. All right. So I do have those payouts ready goes or. Yeah. I'm thinking this isn't gonna go my way because you brought it up. Well, I wanted to hunt it down and just the cormier versus Jones to eight hundred sixty thousand Jones Cormie, a the first time was eight hundred thousand. Yeah. So both of their paper peer reviews are with each other Jones did do seven hundred thousand versus Evans, and he did six hundred and fifty something fifty thousand versus Smith thousand two thousand nineteen Anthony Smith six hundred and fifty thousand goes, but Cormet when he defended against. Derek lewis. That one didn't do as well. How steep if I go. Miotto versus Cormie was three hundred eight thousand well below the six fifty of of Jones versus Smith. I guess the point I'm trying to make as we side. I look at who need who more. And I think John. Two hundred thousand then Daniel needs John Daniel can fight whoever and he'll be fine John needs opponents right now. So that's why considered Daniel the side. I don't know, man. I think in August DC shown to work to do a fight. He really doesn't wanna do because the Leser thing fell apart. And I think you'd get more psyched up for the winner of JD versus in Ghana. But. We're back against some guy. He has nothing to gain other than a possible. Third fight if he loses. Yeah. But that's not bad. No. But you don't want to fight. But you don't want the loss heavyweight willing to give up the loss to get the trilogy. No. But that's his worst case scenario. That's his worst case scenario that ain't that. But see I think DC is this close to retire. In fact, can Gary please play cut number three and watch how Jones or talks about wanting to leave on top thinking about losing. I don't need to fight anymore for the same financial reasons. Most people fight for for security for the recognition. I have all that. You know? I have I have I have enough money. You know, I have jobs on top of jobs to keep me. Busy after done and the. I just got my wrestling teams. I've got the high school of that. So many things going that. I don't need this just to need it. You know, I would. So if I walk away from this thing, I'm fine. I just need to take in one of the time to focus on steep it. I can't sleep too. Good to go. I gotta fight John Jones necks. That's ridiculous. Then I'll lose and nothing going then people showing me the door. Right. I could be one of the very few guys that gets to make the determination when he wants to walk away. If I win this fight in walkway the top of the game. So. Like, I say, I just think that. I think for me. And I it sounds like I'm talking on behalf of them like him, and I had a dinner recently. But I guess if covered the guy for over a decade. So I kind of have a beat on how he thinks through our interviews with the times I have run into them. If I'm thinking how I think he's thinking what I'm thinking is that? If he can win next fight or to he just keeps adding the legacy, and if Joan stumbles along the way DC's free and clear as one of the greatest I think his only opponent in that regard would be. George saint-pierre. But even then then he well, I can't say you've got multiple divisions on them. Right. Who's done that too? Right. They both have been champ champs. DC has one less loss who face better talent start with that? That is tough. I think DC well hall of famers, right, man. He's a hall of Famer PJ penguin be hall of Famer put that down as a put that down. So we need to tackle at one point. And see. All right. Let's talk about last night. We had a wrestling match Jordan Burroughs versus Ben asking I'll go through this a little faster may watch the recap in the second hour, but because we have a guest coming up pretty soon. Ray Cooper, the third, but Ben ashen was shut out guys. He lost to Jordan Burroughs eleven nothing by technical fall. In the second round that they had nothing went aspirins way. There's already a couple of videos up there. Just throwing boroughs dominating. Granted. He's five years younger any also competed at the highest levels longer than bask and they were both Olympia, but one win and captured the gold and also has two world titles to accompany. He's just had a longer tenure against. That top competition. Ben aspirin, even though he was in Olympia. I think most people would point tours collegiate career saying, hey, look, this is what he did here. Now that said Jordan Burroughs also two-time winner NC two is. But he. He just had his way with them and he won. And I tip my hat to ask him for even taking this. Because Ben asking is kind of regarded as one of those gods, you know, in that world because of NCAA because he was an Olympian and because he's gone onto compete in mixed martial arts. I think if he walks in room, you get these has a lot of respect he's still will have a lot of respect. But this is just the night. Whoa. I mean, he he was shown the door. You know what I mean? And. He did this all while being in the middle of a camp for for him at all. So what I like is though that he attempted it. Yeah. And for charity and for charity, right? Five thousand people where they're sold out. And it was a huge success for beat the streets grapple at the garden. We'd better take this break though. It's junkie radio on fight nation channel and fifty six. We got recoup with third coming up can also take your calls. Eight seven seven fight ninety three eight seven seven three four four eight nine three. Put excellence in excitement in your Vitamix and ice and you get 'em. They junkie radio. All right. Our next guest. Our first guest. It should say is ready to go on. The hotline. Ray Cooper, the third will be facing Zane Camacho on Thursday on ESPN two out of the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Uniondale, New York. It's the start of the season season number two for PF L PF L two thousand nineteen week one. Again, you did not miss here me. Mr. ESPN two PF L contract with ESPN two nine PM eastern star time for that main card recoup or on the hotline what's up rate. How you doing? Welcome back to EMMY junkie radio. Hey. We're doing great, man. Thank you. Listen ray. I wanted to ask you some win in acting when an actor is nominated for an Academy Award if they don't win, obviously, it's this appointing, but it's it's a pretty proud woman for them just to be nominated. In fact, they're they're usually introduced a kademi award nominee, or whatever I wanted to ask you you made it to the finals of season one. We know that you came up short that night. But is it still a proud moment that you were a finalist in season one? Or do you carry the bitter taste in the season to like, you know, to fuel you, you know, so that you can get over that and win it. Yeah. It doesn't. Really? Really affecting any more in the past don't care about it. Because I didn't do what I settled to do. So. I don't care about it. Focus on getting back to the final season. When you go finals. How much better you now than you were last season? How much do you feel like even proved? Foods will weigh more. My wrestling, I think I neglected my resting a little bit. I would still be training wrestling last evening. On my basis my resting, and I got away from it a little bit. So. Arcing is my base and back with and I'm gonna feel more of a decision. Give back at all bad and wrong. What about as an athlete? Do you feel like you're faster, stronger smarter? Do you feel like you grew athletically? Not really. On the same. Same. My turn the same. Yeah. So you feel like it was just a matter of sharpening up the tools that you have. Yeah. Bring out the wrestling again. One side story to this first round matchup. Regular season matchup. I should call. It is that zinc amok. I guess is a relative or close family friend. And there was some disappointment on the side of the Cooper Cooper side that he entered the tournament we had him on the show, and he wishes you didn't feel like that. But he felt like it was a business decision. He had to make. But I think it's always fair to ask the other party. Can you clarify your thoughts on is that true? Are you disappointed that he entered? If so please explain or if not, you know, please let us know why I guess that story seem to get out that way. From disappointing. That are happening. The way I was raised. I don't tell my family, and I would never do that to my family member. He's just he's he's not he's not really on blood. Flood come Oncle. The Colombo line is from my mom's side, Besser name and. Yeah. He just doesn't have our way he was raised and the lifestyle we live, and it's just a vicious specked it that one of my own so-called family as do that. So not he does that. I I really don't care for him. This is just another fighting, although running mobile, so this is a fight post fight. This isn't something you'll get over right away. This is something that's hurt. You I guess we could say. Yeah. This person this is like unforgiving, and I'm not going through the same. He's just another underst- want to get him on my way. Wow. Okay. The third joining us here on the hotline. He's going to be fighting on Thursday on ESPN two versus Zane Camacho to watch the fights starting at nine pm eastern time for that mean card, and if you want to dip into the the other fights, I won't call them the premiums because every fights important it's all women's lightweight and it's all men's welterweight and they're all equal because it's a regular season. But if you want to check those fights out before the main card, it's on ESPN, plus six PM eastern start time goes what do you have for Ray Cooper Ray? After the first season. We were all stoked. It was a great season. It was fun to watch. And then when they started building towards this season, they kind of did things a little differently. They brought in a lot of new talent. And they had these little shows that would introduce who's coming on coming in this year. All that, did you know all that head of time. Or did you kind of find out the way we did little by little who was going to be in your division? And it was it was anything that you even cared about. From the while and everything care. I was saying I'm going to one eighty five enemies, but if I were streamed on and great clashed back then. I think it's much than last year. Yeah. It's gonna hearing citing season fos. The fact that it's on ESPN now ESPN two here for this one. How cool is that? Is that something that growing up in Hawaii as a kid? I mean is this kind of one of those bucket list type things? Fully no is just it's awesome. Sauce for the company we're getting closer to the right next to USC. But my goal is always swish limits, and it's like the best guy, and we got some of the best guys in the PF. Oh and just looking at the fight at the highest level and. Get my rematch back. I'm pretty sure when you were on hold Rabl to hear our conversation. Just going to ask you could you outbreak? Dan, somebody that's at a level two breakdowns. Break dent somebody. What is that? Better than them. Yeah. Like in a dance off, but they're only level two. So two out of ten you take them. Oh, yeah. That's sure I can think about it to be more. Exact the question was let's say Zambia zombie was attacking you. But you found out minutes before that that the way to survive zombie attack was to outbreak dance them. We gave them a level two. How about a level five? Could you outbreak dances ambi- if he was a five out of ten? Bring. Breakdowns the crapload of that. I guess so pass five that's impressed. Are these moves like on the streets with your buddies? And and. Like a ghetto blaster type of. Atmosphere. Have like crazy moves in the club too. Oh, yeah. I was dancing since I was like seven grade. All right. Well, we asked the wrong guy the question, I guess he survived. This is AVI. Tak race that cardboard on them right now. The funds that Ribeiro cardboard. China at RAF signing off there. All right. I guess what we got this from was during the commercial. We were talking with our producer Gabby about game of thrones. And Walking Dead. And what was the other one? No, not walking Walking Dead. Yeah. That's right. Do you watch? Either shows you got caught up in them. I watch game of thrones. Big banners? Everyone kind of going overboard on the greatest thing ever. It's a pretty good show with this watch on Sundays. And it's very nice. Yeah. Hey, well, listen, we'll keep short. It's fight week. We appreciate the time. We caught up with you. When the when you guys I got on ESPN, you're starting off your camp. And you know, you already made it to one finish line. All this left is away in tomorrow. And then we got the fights coming up. So as always we appreciate the time that you always give us best of luck versus zinc Kamakura. And hopefully, we can catch up with you again before the next one. Backers. Thank you have a little. All right. We'll see take care that is Ray Cooper the third who was one of the stars of season one for the professional fighters league. He will be facing Zane Kamako on may ninth. So let's Thursday. I wanna make sure that for second there. I had heard they were moving to Friday. But this on may ninth this Thursday on ESPN two boy, he really says it's he said unforgiving. Yeah. That I mean, what can I don't know Ray? And I don't know that he would take my advice. But I'd say that after the fight if he did what he did everyone else in season one. I'm pretty sure you can just kind of pick them up and go kind of what you get. And then you move on. But, but what do I know? I don't know how he this. He he really took it personal. You know, what I mean did PF L make the right move in putting together a SAP forty triumph. Good question because you could build to it. And then if it never happens in that kind of sucks, you know, what I mean? But. I look we're talking about it. I think it's it's a pretty good story. So yeah, makes sense to have it because who knows maybe this elite for them to fight two times. You never know. All right, Marco, right. Margaret from Waco starting things off on the phone line. Eight seven seven fight ninety three eight seven seven three four four four eight nine three. If you wanna follow market, what's up Marco? Monica front work go to get off to. That. Mike is gonna get serve. Gabby. I wonder how Gabby feel Dan hardy heating for lever to pull all work in the last show. I know. I know. From nottingham. Wait, Marco, he's not a soccer fan at all. I already tried talk to him about it. He doesn't care. So I have known talked to you about soccer on this channel except George. Lucas. Luke Thomas who likes him? I hate him. But it's fine. On the these c-conversation on glad that the DC Stevie stuttered. Alison theme happens to be my birthday. You know, my forty-eight Berber they're gonna celebrate it watching the best center with ever, but we don't get a lot. Join John D C on making like a after that me skinny win this fight. He us, you know, because Steve is really frigging good. You know, Gatiss any which you ever whatever. Daft DC retired Hughes or does he get the legit with a steeply because you know, he's super competitive Hughes. One I get that bag mowing compete us debate. You know, I. Depends on how it ends. He gets knocked out kind of bad. I don't think he would fight. And I think. And I think a lot would be determined. How this camp goes with his back and just as body overall? The other thing is like if if it goes to a decision, he loses I think, you could probably live with the fact that all right? We fought twice. But I finished him. He didn't finish me probably walkway on that maybe. You know, doesn't I'm the shit that Tilly will be kinda sort of Mony five for bottle them. You know, I mean. That he he was third fight. You know, then the joint Jones FAI 'cause right into the folk I remember hearing the fighters losing a little bit of leverage because now the pay per view buys don't matter as much the CRT gets an actual fee that I I want to say that. I don't wanna see that too often until I find out more about exactly how that works. But that's kind of what we're being told by a lot of people that do follow the promotion, and what they're hearing behind the scenes, but I wanna get more clarity on that to see. I think the C knows that they need to share more their money with the fighters if they are in fact making more, but are they doing that? I don't know. We're only hearing about one case with Brock Leser didn't go well for him. But how do we know? He didn't he didn't come in and say, I want hundred million and Dana come on you're out of your mind. So the more we get on that one. The the more will share. Myself. Okay. All right. We'll see for the call talk to Jay from LA. What's up, Jay? What's going on? Point number one, ask her didn't lose yesterday. You got taken out by the woodshed the tech votes criminal to mercy playing pick up in one on one. And I five points somebody dunk on you after that doesn't make them to Corey eight is about not wanting the money. That's the only reason ones lesson. I almost would you fight. A guy Papa ROY didn't have thought for three years and three game of thrones would be greater show on TV ever if they were based on Martin's complete work until the last three or four seasons where. The producers had kind of feel in. All right. He's up. All right. I've heard that from a few people. So what happens is he the guy that created it wrote books. Right. But the books only go so far. And so after certain point they just started writing it the way they wanted like HBO, right? So this guy's gonna put out more books, and it could be that the characters that you're used to maybe dying here don't die maybe stories different. But supposedly, they're brilliant. Okay. And then. Yeah. Aspirin eleven not the man. Perhaps the hint no dude for doing it. A lot of people are so worried about the street credit and this and that that they don't put themselves in that situation. Yeah. Plus, you're going to one of the greatest of all time. I mean, where's the shame in that? Interesting point, though, what he said about lesser. He's right. I bet you a lot of it was business decision that made him excited. I think it was also just adding another skin of the wall, and knowing that you're facing a high level of you guy that probably isn't as threatening as the any of the guys in the top ten maybe Curtis blades, Astro Vring. Tune into sant- Franson gone all those guys are Prien tougher match than Brock lettering Brooklyn's. Appease the most maybe it was a little bit of both. All right. We are going to go to the top of the hour break. We're only gone for sixty seconds. And we'll be right back. We're gonna talk a little bit more about some of the main news that's out there, some good some bad. But as always we love the spore, we try and cover it as best as we can covering everything that's going down in our sport. Now, we also have a couple of other interviews coming up in the second hour. So stay tuned for those. And we'll be back at semi junkie radio on fire nation channel one fifty six. If you cross them, they will destroy you. Just ask three fig ready and Pete the penguin. Who are they you ask might point? Exactly, they are gorgeous, George goes. And this is ever may junkie radio. All right. Big shot to Greg savage from the PF L for helping the lineup rate Cooper interview Cooper's beast. You'll really enjoy watching him fight and with that bad bloody as with his distant relatives, aim Kamako. I think that's definitely one of the fights to keep an eye on Kamala wins, I'm trying to think like even those twice. It's a distant relative, which we have tons of how ever fight at this point. Well, okay. Look, look, it's different because they're both vying for the one million dollar prize. You're not like like look at Valentina. She really wanted to go in. She was there coaching her when she was at the Y contender series. She sat there in the back because you know, you've got to win your fight. Dana comes out and goes, okay. These we've elected to be a part of the organization, and she knew that it was that the sister was gonna come in and they could possibly be in the same division. Occupying basically, the same space, but they figured well. We're not gonna fight. But for now, we I just want to in this one's different because you're one of eight. So there's a one in what seven chance I could possibly be fighting. What are you doing? Crowding my space. I kinda see that a little bit. But at the same time, I guess, yeah. You are happy for family. And if you get in you try and give them a little bit of a lift, you know, maybe he was hoping he'd get into Bella tour. You've see in not where he's at or whatever. But another thing was remember they were supposed to have the middle division. They had last year Cooper was going there. But then I guess he got forced into the spot and. Not too happy about it. We purred both sides the Kamakura interview is up on itunes. If you subscribe to us there, you can scroll back a few shows and you'll hear him talk about his side. And our shows also on the series extent map, you can check that out commercial free and HD quality go back a few shows as well, and you can catch zinc Kamanga talking about that. But him and Cooper on Thursday. They'll definitely be settling. And I'm excited to watch that fight. All right now, there's some good and some bad. What do you guys want here? I the bad. All right. I'm gonna read you headline, and I really don't want to. But it's very public. It's everywhere. And then I'll tell you mmediately why I don't like it. It's as XY fighter. Anthony Johnson arrested for alleged misdemeanor battery of ex girlfriend when I say that and when you read it all people here in C is Anthony Johnson arrested battery battery, Dan, probably the ex girlfriend. Doored alleged is something that we all just alleged allegedly allegation because I think we're all kind of saying more than likely it happen. But we gotta say this protect yourselves on the legal side. But I read through this article today, and it really looked like Anthony Johnson was having some sort of a dispute with this lady and. As as described here because she didn't sustain any visible injuries or anything as. It's kind of described and the coats over getting and the versions over getting it sounds like what he was trying to do was pick her up remove it from the room. So that you could go back and get stuff and leave. Now, a lot of you will say George he's had a few of these allegations in the past. And that's and that's true. But man, knowing that this one just these headlines are. They're so damaging to a lot of people. And when I read these stories I've read way worse than again guy. Probably catch some he for what I'm saying. That's not the point George. Maybe he shouldn't be maybe he should've just maybe should just left not picked her up and say, you know, but that's what happened forces. He picked her up using a football Holtz. I imagine kind of like how you just pick someone up over your shoulder. Maybe put her in another room, and it was her house. And I guess if she saying leave you gotta leave so maybe that party handled wrong. What I guess I'm trying to be clear about is. He didn't striker. There you go. Maybe that's what I'm trying to say. Is he didn't striker and saying, it's okay. Or just saying I'm not condoning it one bit. But I'm saying it sounds like the the technical term. I guess is correct. The charges that might come as way or whatever. But because he's had stuff happened in the past. He's gonna catch a lot of heat for this. And I would say that. You have to just leave the scene. Because there's really almost no way you can win in a situation like that. Well, especially having a pass, right? Correct. At your go were visible person. Whether you're an athlete or another form of entertainment and actor singer, whatever, you know, there's gonna be a big spotlight. And if you've had a pass, it's just not gonna be it's not gonna be good. And so the best thing to do is you turn around you do a one eighty and walkout. In fact, let me say a little bit more about this. Or do you want to say anything I was gonna say like I think kidnapping technically is taking somebody from one room to another. So you could be here in our studio and that little room right next door if you were to take somebody and put them there you could be charged with kidnapping. I believe to us kidnapping is throwing somebody in the trunk of a car and driving them off somewhere right house or something. Right. So I guess I kinda here understand what you're. Saying. And I agree. You do have to make sure you read everything because sometimes headlines people just read headlines, right, right? But at the same time because he's been through things, I think something that's point has to click and you go, wait a minute. I can't be involved in these type of things anymore. Just need to get the hell out of here. But who knows man like who knows what he was trying to get. Well, there was a tweet that went out today. And it showed what looked to be a girl standing up over a guy. The guy was sitted seated along the bench, and it looked like maybe a high school or college or something, and I didn't have the volume on. But the young lady was saying something the guy and she slapped him he got up and kind of. Think punched her. Didn't look like a solid connection. Like, what were you seeing? And maybe it would maybe it was partial slap or you got a piece of our couldn't tell or maybe it was it just kind of like was open hand. But but kind of like not the variety of wide open that you see, you know, like getting an exaggeration from like, Charlie Murphy, your Celente and she went down. And anyway, the caption said is it ever right to hit a woman? No. But what about himself defense, and then a bunch of people trying to and I was surprised at how many guys, and I know Twitter's just somewhere where you can say anything I believe that out of the twenty responses some said insult offense. Okay. Of those twenty ten really felt that way and ten may have just sit ads Twitter fuck around just say, whatever. But all I can think of is. I don't think it's ever. Okay. Unless she has a weapon, and even then I would think your main concern is disarming. You know what I mean? So grabbing a hoard a hold of someone's wrist or hand or whatever wherever the weapon is. It's a knife. You want to outrun them if it's a a gun, and you feel like they're going to pull the trigger, and you have a chance to you know, to reach you do that. But the reason I said that goes is. The self defense thing she hits you whatever you cover up. You gotta walk away. I just think there's way more worse repercussions even trying to play the whole self defense argument. You know what? I mean, you do have a right to defend yourself. I get that. But I just don't see how that can that. That's the best decision. I don't think it's the best. I think you definitely walkaway. What do you know, you have to be something in your that? Just tells you regroup. Yeah. Out of here, you can say to yourself you fucking bitch. And you can say to yourself that sucked. Will you thinking what are you doing? But you cannot retaliate like that. I think you just cover up and you walk away and you distance yourself from the situation. Calm yourself down. It's something that needs to be figured out at that particular moment, you know. I don't know. I don't know because I didn't see I didn't finish the whole video. But still it kind of bothered me today. You've punched the wall before right or a door. Yeah. What's what's the most angry that a wall pretty cognizant to look at a wall? That's not going to be good for the hand. But nothing more the wall. The patch that shit up later. Those cheesy doors like on the ultimate fighter. Have you ever felt that door for real rampage kicks through that is a joke of a door saying I wouldn't punch that wall here that divides us here in the studio slam that door all day? I'm just concerned that the youth of America man thinks that that's in any way. Okay. I see less kids less boys. Young men opening doors for females or acting chivalrous. I read an article. Kind of sucks because that's how I was raised me neither. And I think there is less of that. But I read an article that was saying that because there isn't as much of a division between male and female as there was before. There still is because there isn't that's why they think that way that kind of made sense a little bit. But still it's still not equal. But it's a lot better than it was twenty years ago. All right. Let's talk about some good news being Gabby wants to strangle right now. I don't know. Gabby. Do you have any thoughts of what we're talking about? You see video. No, I didn't see the video. But I mean, I think it is true. What you're saying? That chivalry is not the same nowadays as it is like are you're saying guys on open the door anymore. They really don't it's kind of sad. And maybe because in this generation, and it's especially dating in this generation kind of you like different kinds of expectations, and it's not all guys fault. I think girls if they don't expect it or demands like the respect, and that's what happens to, but it's definitely a different time. From like when my parents were younger, like my father was treated, my mother, like mazing Lee, you know. So it is a different kind of time and hopefully the younger generations don't look at this. And think it's okay because that would be sad. If it doesn't end up changing anything. I'll see a lot of like if a woman drops something. I don't see guys here at the manly base guys. Walk by not offering to pick it up or they are first order for their food comes they start eating. Yeah. Exactly. That's like horrible. Don't even get up for women if they're standing like, that's where I think it's crazy. Like, if you're on the bus, even older women are standing and no young men get up till at the woman's down that to me is kind of crazy and originally I thought what you meant was when you're all in a boardroom and lady lease at all. One. Oh, so somebody boards the subway or a bus and you're sitting in it's a female. Don't just stand. But like. A pregnant woman or something you're gonna them stand for like twenty minutes. That's kinda crazy like I would get up for someone. If you're listening, take it a step further, you stand free up the seat and point to it and say. Why don't you sit down? You know, what I mean, don't sit down and go would you like to sit down because that's that's basically saying I really like it here. And I'm hoping you say, no. But my mom always told me that I should say, blah. No stand up and offer it at these client, and then sit down to what's that like when you have a last piece of gum, and you offer it you kind of want that person to say, but you gotta do it. That's what that is. I actually did that one time where I stood up and ask do you want to sit down, and I got dirty looks from all the guys it was in the trim. We're here Mandalay bay and everybody gave me a dirty look like I was being an asshole. Like, why'd you make us look dumb. In other words, I'll take that look because that's just it's almost natural. Here's another one that pissed me off to say. Thank the elevator with the elevator. I'll try and let the females and the kids walk out. I know or if it's a couple then that's fine. The guy can go in front of me. I mean, I can tell. Coupled up or whatever, but hold the door. Do that doesn't mean all these little decisions or whatever they're really not that. But your feet aren't going to be that much more sore when you get home. You're not gonna be that much more later because your few steps behind because you left the elevator or someone walked in before you, you know. I don't know if you're in a booth and you're doing Gabby way where everybody's gotta stand up when a girl leaves a slide out stand up. That's what you thought. She meant right. Like when when the when the lady lady things. A lot of lot of then exactly officials say well, you're not gonna get. Too often. But I'd do it if everybody else did it do it. Yeah. All right. Here's the good news. Finally, get to the good news is Tony Ferguson looks like he might be cleared. So you had a beating inlaws Vegas and he put out a quote, I'm back M F's. He has no what that means. And I don't think he tweets that. Without the UC also kind of co-signing that hopefully they've that he's passed their tests because ending this is pretty serious what Tony Ferguson has gone through. I don't think it's something where he just goes to his personal doctor, and I really hope this is ongoing with the. Therapy. I hope this is just like, hey, I did my sessions not gonna fight again. I would hope that this is something ongoing. And I would hope that this is something where both parties have. Or he's either gone to see doc agency, you seen doctor or his own and the doctor I don't think you can just go to your own say, my doctors, it's good to go. This was really really serious stuff that he was going through. But according to bread Akimoto, he tweets, Tony, Ferguson, and he's from ESPN, Tony Ferguson Z management Balaji group met with the brass in Las Vegas today. That was yesterday told the meeting well, well, no fight agreed upon yet. But it's possible things move fast from here. Tony's excited to fight UC excited to have back. Now what he do. With tony. I if I'm near see. Yeah. Well, I guess if he's ready to go. Then you book them go who well going back to the conversation with. Okay. This is what I think should happen. I think he's fighting game. I think Conor should just fight ES get that over with. I think cowboy should fight. If Brock listeners demands where ridiculous came as what Nate the is the same. Third fight. Yeah. He didn't try to gauge is more qualified right now for Ferguson than cowboy thing gauge deserves Ferguson. I think they're going to do that. And then. Cuts if they're all healthy and all under contract, and if one of those falls out start filling in the blanks, so who would that leave for cowboy Connor? I don't think Conor India's using that. I guess I'm going on my personal wishlist Connor fights India's Tony fights, Gigi poi- fights. Hubby sorry. And then at least kinda cowboy carries the last cowboy only just returned to lightly is he's been banging there for the last years while these other guys have he got I quit too. And that was a huge win. So I would say maybe Paul Felder, but they're homeys Gregor Golez less. But I don't know if that's gonna be too exciting. Well, then again, nobody wants to face Gregor Gillespie. So maybe a return run back with Anthony pettiness. I, you know, I don't know. Or maybe just like you said DS isn't ready to go. Okay. Cowboy Connor just fill in one of those blinds. That's gonna happen. I think it'll be in Ferguson. All right. We better take our break here semi junkie. Don't fight nation channel one fifty six. We we will be back. We have two guests pop inro. The first one will be Caesar about Maceda. He fights Sydney outlaw on may seventeenth at CFC, seventy four. And then we'll go with wall terrorists who just gotta win over Sergei speed. Walk this past Saturday, you'll see on ESPN plus nine. Nation domination. They go hand in hand. We bring the fight to you on Sirius XM fight nation channel one fifty six. They were -ducted by aliens instantly returned for rating all their snacks. They are gorgeous, George and goes, and this is Emma may junkie radio. All right, folks. Not this Friday may tenth. But next Friday may seventeenth CFC. We'll have a fight card on the UC fight pass. From the episode Grena in Atlantic City, New jersey in the main event for the interim title, we have Cesar bomb Sita versus Sydney outlaw one of those two gentlemen is joining us now on the hotline. It's Caesar bomb. Sita? Hello caesar. How you doing? Welcome to MMA junkie radio. Hey, good. How you doing good? Thank you for doing the show. I'm George my partner. He goes our producers Gabby we're excited to have you five no headline in here. And I'm hearing good things may come your way. If you get this w man is that you love that pressure. I'm hoping I'm hoping to good things come away no pressure really just going there to the same thing. I've been doing and by with a w. There you go now Sydney outlaw has three times more experiencing you. He's also lost three times you haven't lost. But he does have more experiences at in any way a concern for you. Or do you feel like you're you can hang with him in terms of at least that you know? I'm sure these are these fights for the title are something that's a little bit newer for you. Yeah. I mean, I experienced bothered me. I knew you know, going for the title that I was going to have to fly experienced guys and the more tougher opponent. So I mean, I was up for the challenge. I think I think I'm ready. You know, and I'm expected some expecting anything that he throws at me. So I mean, yeah, you know, experience. It's it's always good to have what I feel like, you know, by training and Philly. I quite equate spirits myself. I had a nice little little long amateur career. But yeah, I'm ready. I don't think it's gonna bother me. Do you? Remember exactly what event or maybe it was a person that actually got you excited about him a main where you said, I wanna do that. I don't I seen it on TV. When I was when I was younger. I would say poppy like eleven years old I seen and I was like, well, I'm like, you know, that's that's something. I wanna do and. I always wanted to try to join a gym, you know, some type of gym. But I, you know, my parents my family didn't have enough money to send me a gym. So I kinda just waited until high schools were joined the Russell club three. There you go. All right Caesar Sita is our guest. Here you prefer Dhamma Seeta Aur. Ballot Maceda Sega. Sega bombs it. All right. Sees promise. Sit as guests here on radio, it'd be headlining CFC seventy four on may seventeenth. And this is for the interim, title cage fury fighting championships, by the way has produced. A lot of good fighters over the years, including algebra, sterling, Paul Felder. Jimmy Rivera, the Miller brothers the list goes on and on. So some studs have come out of that organization. That's why they're on the fight pass. Then again this event can be seen on the UCLA pass nine PM eastern on may seventeenth. All right goes, what do you have for Caesar Sitta Caesar? I saw your amateur record. And it is pretty extensive. What would you say was the deciding factor for you to turn pro because he had quite a few of them and he did suffer a law. So it seems like you way will the bounce back from that learn from that. But what was that one thing that made you say okay, now, I'm ready to turn pro. I just felt like. I just felt like it was time fella goes getting older. You know, I'm not gonna get younger. And I so confident to where when I stepped when I turned pro I transitioned to everything that I need to do and Justin learn from WalMart mistakes. I did in my amateur. I think it's natural for everybody to kind of look ahead not looking past your opponent. But just look ahead in the future. And a lot of people have tied to maybe a victory here. Maybe another victory after that. But the letters you see come up, and you've seen aren't the only players in town. There's bell tower. That's PF L one championship. There's quite a few of them. Is there anyone in particular? Is you have see or break or do you think you could find a home somewhere else? Will you have see my goal? You know, I don't know what's come ahead. But you know, one day, I love the being the UFC, which I know I will be and that's why I wanna dominate because I feel like you have see that's that's that's the top. We're gonna nation. That's where you know. You're not, you know, not discredit any other organization. But I just feel like you see, that's that's the main event right there. That's the big show. Now, I know the CFC moves around a little bit. But. This fight isn't Atlantic City ain't your from Atlantic City. So you you're gonna have a lot of support there. Not as much as you think. Yeah. Definitely will. A lot of people. You know, you'll see me tell me, hey, you know, you're the fighter, you know. Good luck and stuff like that. But you know, as coming out to actually come to fight not so much. What I got my got my fans that come out, you know, friends family support me. Why is there a little bit of a resistance is Emma Mejia's not a hot ticket? Or are you kind of like the family jerk or or you weren't popular in school? Why don't you have a lot of people coming in? Now. I I don't know. Yeah. You know, bunch of people always say, hey, you know, I wanna come through. I wanna come watch fight. And it seems just never to do. It's not too big in our city. I guess well, you know, I still got a good turn out. I bring probably about hundred twenty people which is. One hundred twenty people either yet, that's pretty impressive. What what did you think was an impressive number? I know. But you guys now stuff they're always small Malia. You know, I I got like two fifty close three hundred common. And I'm just like, well, you know, that's that's a lot to me. I think they're just patting their stance Caesar because that big I think if you're at one hundred you're good, you know, what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. All right, Sydney, outlaws standing in front of you. And. Have you done the state tape study or have your coaches done? The study, my coaches the study. Okay. And so what what did they tell you stood out about Sydney outlaw that that you need to be concerned about? You know, they just said just be ready for me. He's tough opponent. And. You know, he's gonna come in their strong. He's he's come ready. The best of you've ever fought at least on paper. Yeah. Yeah. I believe every opponent. I fight is the best opponent. I fall. You know, until then I can decide and terminate you know, if it was a tough fight. You know, they're not gonna see what it is. But yeah, every every fight that I had that's coming up that it's always my office who are some of your favorite enemy fighters out there. I really don't follow it too much. But if I would say right now guy sticking out to me, I like Israel Sonya like how y'all you know, how he's a stand up and everything, but you know, I don't really follow it too much. Now, why is that you're you're just never been a fan of the sport? Or are already preoccupied. Like, you have a family or? If I'm not training their work, and I'm at home with mushrooms, you know, and I just had this on. So it's so I like to come home and say what him and try give him as much attention. As I kind of got a busy day all day, get to spend more psalms. I would like them. What does ain't hold the kid all your boy? He's about ten months on the fourteenth. Very cool. Yeah. All right. Are you gonna are you gonna deck amount? Kinda like Donald Cerrone. Does he brings his little baby? To his same thing. Now. No. If I if I had the pool that dawn, join dead, and I can take him back stage and do all that may come from that can do that. But I don't want to be in the crowd and stuff like that. He's just gonna stay home. I got you. And you said you have another job you have a full-time job as well from training. Job. Would you do their senior? I'm a UPS driver. Okay. And and you did say it's full time. Or are you part in now fulltime? And do you. It's tough because I don't I don't work forty hours. I work fifty forty five. So, you know, it's I work. I go in the morning come out night, go straight, the training and. About two to three hours at home before I go to sleep. So it's it's one day from me when I'm much any now, I see why you are not an enemy fan. Okay. Because EPS kicks your ass, man. That is actually like in December. Exactly that's a physical job. He just had a kid. And then he still gets his training in. Wow. All right. Well off to you my man, hopefully, some big paydays come to that. Maybe it's own point. You'll either be of your fulltime fighter. But it's pretty admirable that you're bouncing all that. Thank you. It's tough. What do it? Yeah. All right. Hey, what was very nice to meet you. We look forward to your fight on UFC fight pass on may seventeenth versus Sydney outlaw. And is there anything you want to say to your fans or any of your sponsors that have helped carried you along the way. I wanna fans. Thank you. Always. Appreciate you support. Don't really have much of sponsors. But yeah, no. It's. That's about it. All right, brother. All right. Thank you very much for the time. We appreciate it. Take care. Thanks you too. That is Caesar bomb. Seda who fights Sydney outlaw for the interim lightweight title in. That's on may seventeenth. You can catch the fights on the UFC fight pass. By the way. The also have a featherweight title fight, Anna bantamweight, title fight. So the CFC is put together a stacked card in terms of the the featuring the better fighters that they that they have on the roster three particular way classes. You come finite. You think Cindy outlaws brought to Justice? Perhaps. Yeah. Caesar. You gotta make like a wanted. Poster. Right. That thinks so he could add this thing. Yeah. Have your little kid where sheriff's badge or something? I thought maybe using the new sheriff in town. I think this is something he could have some fun with but one hundred one hundred one hundred twenty s how many you could draw. Have you had a fight? We'll say Vegas one in Vegas and one in Orange County one in Vegas. I could draw. Fifty people. I think how many would be from Kelly. Okay. All right. Maybe maybe eighty people thirty from Kelly. I think that's what I could do back home in Kelly at think I could probably draw about the same. But maybe ten from Vegas. It's easy to get people come to Vegas. So how many in Kelly thirty less than county than you have more friends, invasion, Kelly, I can convince more people from Kelley to come to see me can. But yeah, then I can have people come from Vegas to Callie bakes to Kelly. I think he's doing great. Who was it that tolls like three hundred remember the name? No. I don't think so it may have been a CFC fighters. Well, really, I wanna say it was. Say it was someone on the east coast in the may not have been the PF L guy. That sounds about. Right. Not Andre Harrison, those just now it wasn't trying McConnell Caesar. Let our producer. No that he's actually six now and this happened sometimes where usually the fighter will, correct. This war missing a win or they have one less loss. But that's fine. I believe six annot, and he's actually defending the interim title. Okay. So this'll be a title defense warm, and I was just going off what I saw on our rumors page on MMA junkie. So no disrespect Caesar. But sure also has the same thing five zero now as far as the interim, I believe there. They're like I say, that's what he's saying happens. And that's what's happening either way I'll be tuning into CFC seventy four on may seventeenth on the fight pass nine PM eastern star time. All right. We gotta take another break when we come back. Hopefully, cross our fingers wall terrorists think we're good. We'll join us on the enemy junkie radio show. He just beat Sergei Spie vol. Doc this past Saturday at UC on ESPN plus nine and it was a waxen, man. He really really put it on speak. Even got a bonus. We'll talk to him about all that. When we come back. All of your favorite shows on devices equipped with Amazon, Alexa, just say, Alexa. Listen to Sirius XM fight nation. Okay. There. Metals are covered with participation awards. They have boxes of gold stars that they purchase themselves. They are the legends and demand your respect. Here are George goes. Do you demand? Respect goes. Yes. Okay. I'll say I'm a little on can act they want but tonight at ten thirty eastern. It's game five of the conference on my final series between the Portland trailblazers and the Denver Nuggets. Here all the excitement on MBA radio series. Two seven XM meaty six and streaming on your phone and it on series, exempt connected devices and speakers. All right. We are now going to talk the world Harris, add just kidding. We're not he didn't answer. Two days in a row, just a nasty text. It wasn't that nasty say heavyweight for crying out loud that you see what he did the circus evoke I want none of that. He got a performance of the night bonus. Because he waxed them in fifty seconds of round one while to cool guy man, but does two days in a row. So I don't know what I don't know. What else to say other than just keep moving along here? Nothing to see always trying to call back in. Oh, good. Okay. However, I do have some pretty interesting news. Paula cost versus y'all Romero targeted for UFC two forty one in August goes that's the same card. That's headline by Daniel Cormie versus debate MIO ch-. Now that is a one two punch, right? Talk about another fight getting personal one has gotten pretty personal Romero and consta-. Yeah. Daniel Cormie versus Stephen me. Otas, Paulo Kosta versus y'all Romero. Those are the first two fights announce for UC to forty one on August. Seventeenth Walt Harris joins us now on the hotline. What's up wall? How you doing? Going on not much my man. Welcome back to enemy junkie radio. Good to have you talked to you prefight. You told you were going to go out there. And whoops, amass you didn't let us know that you were going to be that devastating. I thought this was going to play out maybe round to get the win. Maybe goes to a decision. Maybe Sergei has some moments get some shots in hell. No, you blast them. Yeah. What do you feel like you had to? I mean, I don't think you're fighting for your job. Or is that just the mindset you like the goal that you set for yourself was you wanted to be devastating or explain that a little please. Please. That's all like, you know, news will be not getting the Sergei light of Alexi fight. He's me, you know. I felt like I needed to make a statement in this funny. And so that couldn't that as part of this thing, you know. I mean, that's exactly how honestly visioned it. And you know, couldn't actual better situation the outcome. Greatest win of your career. So far. It's up there. I mean, as far as like, how did it, you know, I think in the US for sure is my best win as far as you know, me going out there and doing what I know I'm capable of doing. But I think the dishes you had to come from me for sure. And you got a bonus. I think that's gotta be the tiebreaker. I mean the chase Sherman win. I mean, there's been some really really nice ones in your career. But this one was pretty devastating from start to finish. You got out of there and fifty seconds. I imagine you're okay. You can up date us there. But you've got jeeze maybe. That was the reason I'll put it up as the best. I got the bonus. You know, I just feel like that was kind of like the cap on that. It's all on the night. So. Feel like I got one for the chaser fight, you know, didn't. And it was like, you know, like truth them hard working separately, you know, paying off and all of the citizens that I made, you know, in my in my personal career his is fan. All so I'm happy about that. Sure. Was it coming back from Canada? How much what it candidacy about your win? So and performance money like take that that that they did they did in and take a lot, you know, because they say that sometimes on international trips went crazy, man. Yeah. They hit me. Pretty good. Really you harder that you hit Spock. Yeah. They definitely hit me out way are not just, but you know, I I knew going into, you know, my man in the days in how's he kind of put me like, you know, taxes balls, and then in the in the day after you know, I was trying to check or whatever they will county explaining where the money was being dug it in. What y you know, and told me that I wouldn't be double taxed, which was pretty nice. And then what I understand. I get that money back at some point. So I'm not to about it. Oh, okay. Yeah. Because he got the free healthcare up there, brother. You know what I mean? And so. Yeah. I gotta pay on a apparently, you know, when I give my county he's supposed to be able to get that bay. Hopefully, we'll see. Would you felt better? If they if they told you well, some of the tax money will help kids get Bracy. So feel good about yourself. Awesome. You know, I like the fact that they have free healthcare. I think America, you know, learned thing too about that. But you know, if this helping somebody for sure, I don't mind. I'm gonna give it bigger men than me. I would have been I still would have been. Walters is our guest here on a major radio heavyweight big win over Circe speech at UFC fight night. I vs cowboy you'll see on ESPN plus nine the Ottawa whatever you wanna call it. He went out there. He was one of the four bonus winters and now he's got twelve wins in his career, including his last three. All right goes, what do you ever while Harris while before this interview, I had my questions all lined up? They're all I'm gonna may related, and then you did something that completely distracted me. You said thank you very much. And it was followed by a crumbling of a bag, which means, you must've said give me a number something, and they gave something back where did you go? What did you order? My wife on a hot day job real all at Hardee's Hardee's. Okay. Which what? Well, you just got the bonus man, you gotta be taking olive garden Chili's. On hardy. Hey, look, man. Hey, mother's day Sunday. I gotta say say something, you know, what? I mean. I can't say that's a nice save. Going to be like, oh, you know. So I gotta kinda hold it in for all right now that he's kinda new because your next step is olive garden and Chili's. He got a lotta money. I know what I was trying to. I said some steakhouses complete cloud in case like he said, hey, we got that ten thousand dollar bonus or something like that. Gotcha. Gotcha. All right. Would you get hardy? I got the the third pound pick. Burgess. All right. So be honest in your situation right now. You can't wait for this interview to be done, right? Because then you get to eat. Good. Now, we'll talk to you got like, I'm not even hungry when I got the phone calls like that that can wait. The me ask you this deed in this situation. And that fight couldn't ended in a better situation for you. And what we hear from some fighters what they like to do is. They liked to just kinda stay ready in case somebody else where drop off would you be wanting to be that guy to step in for another fight. And if so mind. In for whatever, man. Like, I don't know. What's coming up on the Iran, and to be honest. I had too deeply into it. But yeah, I'm trying I'm back in the gym. I was in jail Monday morning. So I'm back doing two days right now. I'm just saying, wait a minute. I'm happy well met, you know, and I don't wanna lose my shake too much. I've done that in the past and in my career, and I don't wanna be fat camp. I wanna be in fighting him. They call, you know, he just cheeseburger, and Joey, and then, you know, I got my my my shelf prepare meals in in the frigerator that way. We're not gonna straight from farm. I have some whiskey tonight. I'm not gonna let. Mcgregor whiskey or you got another whiskey. I Jameson bro, holding the profits of not all that is trying to be. So I went on the Jameson. I now don't be mad. I won't get some proper twelve one day. You could say me a case if you like I will join get but I'm famous man like two times those who. So I grabbed me of last night had a glass with the bit another for that. To to the we have to have a bottle waiting when he comes here in studio, George and a couple of weeks for wrecked. Waiting for you while I have a question when you get to that top point in your division. Does it matter who's the champ? Is there a certain guy that you want to beat? To be honest always wanted to feisty bay. You know, I just I've married the guy. You know what? I mean. I like your style. I think that's a good fight for me in a good test for me. You know, what I mean speech as well rounded on you know, and he's a tough guy. He's been in with some of the best of business. And so that's kind of that I live for trying to challenge myself against for shirt. You know, I don't know these feel still have the Bill if he does I would like I like these, you know, we get along. But I think that's another find that. I would be willing to challenge myself and test myself and kind of see you on that. But like I say, I'm down to fight anybody. Now, I'll take on all comers. So I feel like I metro well with everybody vision to be honest. So. I got the fight for you, man. Now, I know you've called out Justin Willis a little bit. And and that's fine. If you get that, I think that the solid fight. But I think Alastair over would be a good test for you ouster spot almost everybody. But right now, he's kind of in a holding pattern. He's won two in a row, and every other heavyweight is kind of tied up. But I think that would be an exciting fight. That'd be a good one. I would definitely you know, like, I watch our years. So yeah, that's another one IBM should in. That comes down the pipe on with it on it. Last question for me is Abu Dhabi still the preferred site or I heard you say something about July, or maybe I misheard you right now, we you saying till I as an international fight week. Or was there? That'd be that'd be three fight to have international pie. Weaker shirt on you know, I've always wanted to be part of international fight week. And you know, not just kind of fake I wanna be on the card. You know what I mean? So it's gonna get in. That'd be great. My wife is her birthday is the twenty seconds. So there's a car going down that weekend in Greenville, South Carolina. You know, she wants to get on, and that's not too far away Birmingham. So I wouldn't mind find on that, you know, whatever they say they throw at me on down to, you know, just stay radio be prepare whenever they call. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you. What man your stock has definitely gone up when you're winning your Aisin people and the couple losses that you've taken they've been really some solid fighters. So it looks like right now, you're in the midst of a run, and hopefully the next name is is the name that's ranked with you or a little bit higher, and you can continue keep climbing Mamand because that was a very very impressive win. You were one like the the big stars that came out of that when you know what I mean fight card. Appreciate their by. That means a lot of being a really that. You know? And that's my goal, man. I just wonder like, you know, people remember me man, you know, like I'll put in a lot of work. I've been through a lot. You know, I feel like I'm gonna point now where I'm ready to take that next step in the, you know, whatever whatever direction that is, you know, while going up, you know, that's all that matters. The yeah. All right. Well, thanks so much for the time. We appreciate it. Enjoy that burger and let us know if you're in Vegas. We'd love to have you here in studio while the GM. Yes, sir. I would love to come in guys. All right. Take care, man. Haven't evening. Aren't you too? That's the big ticket walled. Harris. His punches look so much better. Now. I mean, he's that finishing sequence was very very impressive. Not many punches were wasted. Went after him. That's how you go for the finish. I mean, he packed so much punch to you know, I know a lot of people sometimes take the foot off the gas 'cause like dust employ. Remember, he. Actually had hurt max early in the first round. But then he eventually take his foot off the gas because max has incredible chimney just wouldn't go away. But heavyweights these guys are what a whole one hundred pounds. Heavier six five, and I've always been impressed with his athleticism. But now strikes are just so much straighter and pinpoint so he really really for me took a few steps just in this fight all the right things to say. And do like I said earlier man, I felt he could knocked out bear way was fighting that night. Now Williams for Rochon is he having a one third of burger one third pound or that's more than a quarter Pounder. He's got a third pound Hardee's is Carl's junior. Right. So I think it's the half pound burger, right, whatever, they call it. Yeah. It's it's got a name. But it's one step up where it's a little better this call to minister. Don't somebody's never had Hardee's or Carls junior ever. Now. They're not really in jersey. I feel like it's not a police to let go and eat. What's the best burger Z left jersey? Right. Don't say white castle. Either. Never left jersey. No. But I mean, I just never I guess 'cause I never tried it. If I see places like that. I never eat it. You know what I mean? Like I like a five guys burger is good. I never had in and out either. Which people say is good. Shake shack is good too. I've had that in the city. But by the way, listeners of the show, if you go on Twitter cups, once did do what he said he was gonna do on our show, and that's taken in and out burger crumble, it up into a toddler to you. Then make taco he did it. I look when he said, I go home that's interesting because I like tortillas and I love in and out burgers. But when I looked at it didn't look that good. I didn't like Yami. I can't wait to do it. Now. I wonder if he liked it or not, I don't know. Good question, by the way, Dana white is very interested in boroughs. You have see fight. So that's Jordan, Burroughs, Jordan Burroughs and chaleston messing around on Twitter chill offered him. Fifty grand? A fight Jordan said add another zero. I think they know I would pay him five hundred thousand for one fight. He says he only wants to one have one fight. And then that's it. When he pays the punk five hundred thousand. Jordan wouldn't really bring the is it TM punk. Did the right? Probably maybe four four. I don't know. But this different time to that was what three years ago four years ago. All right twenty years ago. Wow. It was shorter time them. But Ray Cooper the third. Thank you for your time shot the Greg savage while terrorists. Thank you for your time. Shout out to Ed cap, and my man Caesar's. Welcome CFC, Dave Gesellschaft out where out of here go out there and be a champion.

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"You're listening to the box medium long as network alexander k-league a lot. Not a lot of stuff happened a little while. There is stop happening for this no fights u._f._c. fighter shade there was excellent belt or fights by excellent belt. <unk> are might be better said it was the most violent night in anime history but i'm sure we're going to have comments about that about that. You might even have ranted sue about that. No azinger kiwis license rants so we're gonna jump over to the questions as always oil audience okay on the audios terrible. I'm still getting comments about the audio. I apologize daughter. How big's the audio google anyway r._o._t._c. saying <hes> check the levels over modulated. Perhaps is is that better someone in the comments section. Let me know because i don't come out his might fall. I literally lower adjusted lewer trying to everything live. I'm involved. I'm trying. I apologize anyway. Doll you can make fun of me domain fun alex everyone confront best. I can even put sound dampered round side. Make it less echoey anyway. We'll try and get questions. You can yell at me if the audio levels are bad. I have the skin anyway glass jeans. Now we can actually start questions from hefei a one alice. John jones a heavyweight. I'm reading these off of this handy ipad. I have to read question. Specifically there have been discussions of john does a heavyweight versus steep. It is john jones height and reach <unk> completely different from the last two d._c. Fights jones in d._c. Off forever lynch but they are completely different fighters in my opinion will fight supply out completely different jones's height and reach allows for a fight at distance also makes changing allows more difficult to wrestle thought so yes john jones has said i was there even at usa institute thirty nine someone asked him. Would you be willing to fight the winner of <unk> versus this lean now. I know that is stephen notes of what the storyline will d._c. Was there. There's not really a storyline with stevie meals. It's outside of john. Joe's going up the heavyweight which i believe is a story in and of itself just because he was sneezing so unwilling to go up up to heavyweight for so long outside of the corner of the brock listeners this and that but what are your thoughts on this whole john jones moving up a and b now fighting c._p._a. One before the storyline now storylines not him challenging dan mccormick for his title the title now it's john j-o-h-n for st bay your thoughts but i have been told to bring up my little bit. How are you doing god this audio disagree on me as you gary. I am old people making me in congress. I turn to live out but anyway. <hes> let me say john johnson who i know. It's never going to go away us. Look at the guy. It seems like a good fit for him right. He's never had shelving till five. I think that's the main reason why it's not like you know. You don't have everyone calling for nonstop. <unk> isn't treating thing but i don't see he will necessarily saying all of john. Giles never goes heavyweight than <unk> all answer questions about his legacy. It's like lucky makes two five. I have never had difficulty. He's the greatest to abide by ever bye bye bye. Margin aso headway move will be cool but i don't know if he himself ever thinks like oh. I have to do it. John jones says yes to anything specifically this debate matchup yeah the question was kind of strange <hes> kind of self yeah it would totally be different fight than <unk> st bay. Just i don't think other than the ball stop recipes in overall greet. Fighters aren't a lot of physical similarities between john. Jones ended down cordray and that's that's my expert in the may analysis. They're physically. They're very different. I john jones if you're asking you know who i think win fight. John jones d budget. I john john pretty much against anybody on the planet. I think he's he's just he's just the best. You know regardless of how you feel i feel about the you know. The failed drug tests the pulsing ins but as far as the cage product goes what shows up what we see on fight night. There's just no one better john jobs. Announced bay is awesome. I picked wrong. I thought i thought it was gonna be against a standing he. He's he's accused classic. Ask heavyweight regret grade. Bungee power is just a john. Jones soda hit on safety because i'm not saying <unk> galazi <unk> out cle- coupla judge <unk> balance you froze alex's further plus a boy girl. There's always something on wayside alexander. Kayla is no more anyway. All say might be legal alex. I can't hear you completely frozen. You dropped out you this. The wonders of live shows the wonders of livestream where audio levels are terrible the the your connection is bad. Mike connects is probably bad great. This is awesome. I love live shows but also might not where i see you. You're very zoomed in grainy in what has happened. What are you doing. People can see man. Oh my god. The one is a live show. This is why this is what sean i know amid funding in the past. Few live shows ipod august. Is this nuts anyway absolute you all to know that he's having our problems but i think you can see what he's writing to me so that's that so. I apologize for what's happening right now. Allergies connection is bad. You can clearly see now frozen but daniel communists. It's all talk about about this because this is an animation all about bad internet connections in poor audio this again kind of my nightmare <hes> but st bay versus john jones. I don't think john jones go to anytime soon. We saw what he did when he was a little when it came to fight opens improve he was he was got super into. What was it powerless. In in any kinky you remember those visuals him on instagram just just stand there posing flexing showing off his new new muscles so to say and we saw aw he looks like when he fought ov- insane prove he was sluggish. It wasn't the best forms yes <unk> chain. When ovid's impro- was was slotted in at the last minute. What is house back alex is you can see what he's writing so again. I apologize is everyone. This is not how i envisioned might tenure as the a side owes would go constant audio in concentrating problem but honestly if you're good with technology gee. I thought i was good with technology. Clearly i am not if anyone has a solution blend me now because this is kind of embarrassing at some point but anyway john jones stephen roach 'cause that's over talking about <hes> we saw what he looks like against <unk> through wasn't the best performance of his life and and people will point to that saying maybe he was quoting for off the sauce for that fight in his next against apartment was scheduled for u._f._c. Two hundred in that office was built by. I don't know if that's the case at all. I just know that's what a lot of people though a lot of the comments. I've seen a lot of fans. Come up to me a lot of when i asked him. What did you make. John's ios performance against <unk> improved looked like he had been caught doing something and this was his first fight without that. I don't know i have no idea alex doc second here you. I can't see i'm back. I'm back. I we can't see you man. I i had a bareheaded very fixable network problem. <hes> i assure you that will not happen again. That was that was. This is awesome random. Yes that was not a random network era. That was <hes> that was a very fixable problem. <hes> <hes> oversight on my part. We're all good now. Alex were back. Are you back. You're going to drop out again. My heart can't taste all these all listeners viewers. I will be fine from our this is great. This is just wonders of live television. Apologies to shine offers the market apologies to lou former former host of this show who <unk> network fix your heart is because one is of a live show but let's get back to the question of questions <unk> about john jones db millages millages. I've talked about it. We're gonna move on so who oversees dominant cruise by herself from l. f. n._w._e._a. How do you guys feel about triple c. Aversion to address the flyweight division shansu behold and will not address dane statements saying that jobe wan kanobi is the next fight to make force of who'd also jobe jobe wan kanobi is of course go spend beat us who is the rightful <unk> aren't flying five pound title. He's called on dominick cruz. He's called frankie. Edgar is called out your favor callao balancing <unk> janko but he's not said joseph benedetto's name. What do you make of trippy enersen bhutto's of as alfred et al our friend elephant w. i said what do you make of his aversion to actually say joseph. Benefit is his name. You know it's not just just gonna it's time for the flyweight title right now but he also you know the whole karla faye <unk> he'd also just not acknowledging the rest of like like what is a really competitive bantaweight top ten. It's very frustrating. I know banning all he'll think <unk> while i get it. I get the chris duda gimmick now now. It's funny to a degree. It's it's certainly i think in his mind. He believes it's more interesting than being you know all. I'm the champ. I'll fight ice. Wanna fight the best in you know. It doesn't work for everyone. It didn't work for me johnson. Let's be honest. Readers johnson still probably the greatest one twenty five or of all time and he had that attitude yet attitude to unprofessional lineup wherever it is john moraga chris cario. I don't care the name. I'm the champ you put the name out there. I signed the contract in where it did work c._p._r. Dorsey appears anomaly like to this day. We still don't quite know how to replicate that that dorsey pierre magic as it were. I mean it. Did you have see we'll be all over that so in some way i just cannot blame pseudo for these weird these weird callouts and just like you said straight up not even like saying oh guys like a beat aren't worthy or not even like a trash talking just ignoring them also they don't exist and then the rest of the band tweeted regions while so for the first question. I actually am kind of down with us. A hudo dominant crucified. I still think cruise when healthy you know is is the one of the three best bent in in the world but healthy cruise is a might be a mythical creature at this point. We don't outs <hes> the the joseph fight. I mean if he does take a fine at one twenty five. That's the fight it has to happen. I think he knows that. I think he's kind of just jerking around. It's a little bit of the tyron woodley thing recall that a bunch of other people or when the names came came whether it be dan taylor whoever he still or deeming east at the fights. I think it will be the same way <hes> p._c. Are cobra pizza carol brian excellent point last sleep which i really hadn't considered. Is that triple see. His nickname is a brand at this point. He can't be triple see if he gets the flyweight title taken away from him he kinda backed himself into a corner where daylight says defend or vacate or stripped if dante takes energy who goes away for unwillingness to drop back down harmful five pounds in challenge joseph benefit us. He's not triple seasonable. I had not considered that but it's it's it's accurate so he's i. I would imagine engineer. Joseph benefit is next personally. I will be dominant coups fight frankie frankie eggers. I fight at one thirty five. That's a very big name. Both of them have historically some of the best fort worth in u._s. History gamay history <hes> there are two of the greatest champions or fighters in <unk> in the history of martial arts. I mean they were. They were some of the fighters onstage on stage that like champion summit where they had all the champions on stage together. It was like cain john jones anderson silva. Your saint-pierre was up. There like frank yeager dominick cruz the right up there like whitman at the time and dominick cruz was the reigning champion for your friend gig at the town's lightweight champion <hes> went right after he deep <unk> b._j. Penn so i love see that fire like sitting up when looking at that picture they didn't look at much bigger than like frank eight hundred fifty five it down. Crews was one hundred thirty five pound champion. They weren't that much different in size so i've been asked that fight for a long time i would love to see that fight <hes> right. There was obviously not by dominick cruz again again. The already bought frankie edgar favorite by i dunno ousmane sterling because evaldas <unk> your favorite vice versa. There's a number of into right there. I just wanna frank acre fight dominick cruz. I just think that's extremely high level. Martial arts fight day titled allegations out as i say that a bit i liked that five of these fun fight any other things. You want say what you what you argue. You're gonna argue. You don't wanna watch eggers dominick cruz. I would love to see frank grad. Dominick cruz is listed conquests so for sure. I'm not gonna argue well. You were very high on the frank yeager train when we were together in a little bit the copan alan iverson. I made allen iverson. I may have also predicted and it's on the site so it's on record. I may pretty good that he was going to beat vacs holloway. May have these are all. They may have happened. I'm not saying that happened there. Just may be a record of it that people could easily boucle and speaking of champions who will fight next may not mac's always used to be that kind of guy whether <unk> differences there is no country behind your saint-pierre. I'm still getting things about audio. I'm trying my best guys. I'm really my best way. What do you mean yes do. Countries <unk>. He's got he's got to cut out. Yeah code that for you. He's got he's got the nation of alive on a combination combination and then also a he's got. Can't we loved her auto. We love back solloway so we're leaving. You know he's from hawaii. We claim max holloway so i mean he's representing. A lot of people is the canadian anime apparently walking seem to take issue with that maybe he can you know become the next. What how long have you guys look for the next year ever since the birth of the scene but we're gonna move right along another pledge from alabama aa alex. I know you have thoughts about this on the turn right so you thoughts and speculation on yunessi paint twenty percent of revenue to fighters honestly the age was way the age of way higher than i imagined but still lower than we seve most professional sports organizations rival organization spelled for forty four percent in strike for sixty three percent can these numbers and this exploited the catalyst for fires union or is it that or is it that really just wish or is that just wishful thinking and more of the same and again pas audit on still seeing that i'm really trying yeah. My best olives floor is yours. I s i know before we went on air. You really wanna talk about this. I'll try and fix audio issues logging yet. Look it's a anoc random. Financial expert at we story are <unk> meltzer store at amid fighting also. Please make sure i've seen people for more comprehensive. Look at this whole thing that's going on because this all stemmed from nisa antitrust lawsuit definitely coverage on buddy elbow on forbes. I think the atlantic didn't article so <unk> one of those situations where i haven't opinion but i don't wanna tell you well okay. This is my opinion what you should think read as much about this topic. Is you can't informed. It's it's it's it's really complicated and also it's also it. It is very could be very impactful on the future of this sport. Hopefully we don't know could end up being status quo if you know things handle certain way but twenty percent of revenue going to fighters <unk> so l. <unk> some people when hugh that super low and the <unk> lfm that we actually said it sounded high i i would love to see. I don't know if you'll remember <unk> today. While of their revenue i think they were taking like ninety percents of their revenue fighters which is probably why they only lasted two <unk> of but <hes>. I guess they thought to get a big return on that. That didn't workouts so this. Is you know that this this is how the u._c. Runs business are twenty percents of revenue <hes> you know. I don't think it's a lot especially when you broke it down. How much of that percentage is going to you know a certain. A certain small cluster of fighters lighters right like is that county to the opera top guys and then how many are getting the rest so again i. I don't want to speculate too much and all the details. I'm not an expert but i will say this. What what bothers me is when people say. I don't care about this stuff. I don't care what business i don't care. How much guys are making. It's not me it's not my paycheck. It's like they. They know they know what they signed up for. If you didn't like it don't sign a contract with the truth that that's why when you're saying you don't care here would fighters repaid <unk> <unk>. I'm getting emotional when you say you don't care where fighters or paid what you're saying is that you don't care about in the best athletes leads involved in <unk>. That's fine if that if that's the case if you like the athletes that are in there. I respectfully but i do think the m._a. Does not necessarily get the high level athletes that course of going to sports like football basketball because that's where the best athletes going. We glimpses of it. You know we talk about john jones all the time john john jones if you just look at this frame would have been probably a at least a freshly athlete at the highest levels of almost any sport depending depending what started development down a different path. Look at this look at his brothers. They both went on to play pro football. We want more. John jones's again. Ignore the charac- stuff ignore whether you think he's a cheater would have have you performance wise athletically. We want more john jones. We want john john at every in every weight class. We want better athletes so if you want to see the u._f._c. <unk> motions getting the best athletes in the sport someday like i always say twenty years from now will look so much better than it does now now you know i think they'll be guys will be way better than john jones twenty thirty years from now. If you want to see that then you should care guys are paid because right now there is just not that incentive for the most high level talented athletes to get into a you know you get gaza john <unk> conor mcgregor rhonda rows you get good at least george saint-pierre tsk but they should be so few and far between you should be seeing so much of that and again until you start carrying <hes> and it's by the way most of his fighters not the fans until the fighters dot carrying as well and stadium selves than than all these reports revenue producing. It's not gonna matter because nothing nothing will change so my my. I'm just releasing walkable care <hes> and if you don't you don't but i want you to understand. Why people do you hit it on the head. This is one on the biggest stories we've had an enemy. A long time outside of actual fights being made or like the drug testing and everything like this is a story that has been developing for quite some time and it's now kind of all coming to ahead at this point now that these documents are coming. I remember reading about it in in two thousand twelve thirteen when this is all really starting and it seems like i don't know if you've ever followed cases like this. It's always like a long drawn out the process from both sides because not just go to court figuring this out. It's like there's why they caught what was one of the people there and twelve attorneys u._f._c. have like eight eight or nine so it's like these big gatherings of attorneys have to go through paid work pay for a border figure out all this stuff with a judge and everything it's not as simple as going for you'll do not guilty. I could twelve thousand thirteen. I remember hearing about all this in being like latte is seen so far down the road to find out any information economy the back of my mind but now that is now it is in the forefront now so it's like all of these thoughts of two thousand twelve thirteen are now all coming back because now we're getting the the information that we've been waiting on that. We've heard about that. We've been ruined. I was at dana white's scrum yesterday. <hes> for at the contender series in someone asked soon like what do you make of the antitrust. This was basically like he knows nothing about it. He pays people to worry about it so he doesn't have to worry about it yeah. I don't know if that's that accurate because i don't know dana white on that level but i'm sure if the company is the president of is going through an antitrust lawsuit opening the center thing. I'm confident he knows more than he's letting on by. Obviously don't know how much you know so they always answer yesterday was very telling when he was like i don't know likes. I don't wanna say anything though like that. I don't i don't know any of the on still sifting through about what he elbow has been the go-to source that our own dave meltzer lerone excellent piece on it for 'em finding dot com yeah like basically stay tuned because there's akbulut every week we're going to be doing the a side is going to be more more more and more information. I remember dany cigar was a coal mine sue weeks ago. We got another question about this and danny said something no similar to what you said and it's gonna be more and more point so pretty much comeback next week to the assad because we're gonna talk about this. More is not going away. Answer anticipates elephant <unk> the direct question. The end was ken. These numbers exposure the cash for players union lunch <hes> i would have said the robot deal should have been a catalyst for others union. I would have said that you sought out the implemented without the input of any of the fighters <unk>. I would've said frantic spearhead would have been executives for quite as union so yeah. I think there should be a callous providers. Union will heal it actually countless <unk>. I don't bet on it. I'm not only my birth. I mean we saw what some some of the biggest names in <unk> may stand up on stage through congress follows <unk> dillashaw cowboy sarah liam watson candy. Was there like these are not not these guidelines came last <unk> at the time was the greatest heavyweight <unk> may fight zita dillashaw before his asada situation was one of the bandwidth so it's not like there's an opportunity to launch u._f._c. fighter unions because they had big names names. It just didn't happen so whether this is the <unk> how it happens or not not holding my breath because like you said there had been opportunities for five years images come together. I was able to bring that. Remember like within twelve hours of that news. Breaking styles roney was like oh. I didn't know that was oh that was i was onstage before i did and then people bring it up in their dislike all yet house <unk> remember that that was weird that was weird. That is a moment in time that will never be forgotten for strain reasons but any organ move on 'cause we again. We're gonna talk about his next week in the next week next week. I'm sure cigarettes will ensure uncle. 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You can hear all that more if you subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast bluff realist and join us so again subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast. We'll see their anthony. Johnson returned to the. I know you're excited about this alex. I candy passi scientists who likes the invite. A heavyweight will always finally get john. John jones versus rumble. Johnson all-star gained passively scientists will not in the pool yet i think he said he planned on getting back into the pool. I'm sure he'd pants not like you see looks like the eight anthony johnson like the older dots like you see him. Standing on stage at the bare knuckle boxing arts of jumped up to confront polly rumble johnson was the bodyguard type people standing behind them. Ijaz literally grabbed arts on the one on was holding holding in that so anthony johnson knoxville also fought it anyway for he's fought andre <unk>. I believe that in world series of fighting. I'm not quite sure down to the flight data thousand fighter anyone else how's the fight <hes> under las didn't have gloves big enough for him. World series <unk> gloves big enough for andrea lawsuits so they had to get u._f._c. gloves in sharpy over because the glove worlds by brandon big enough or under last. I believe valves aslam. We broke his nose but <hes> investors donald says i'm sure it's not like really had any history with that before unless you got into it like now like announce guidance zoo something extracurricular extracurricular outside of fighting but he has to get back <unk> anyway. You want to fight <hes> i love seeing by heavyweight fights. I also veteran why not they used to be teammates. Black zillions inst- <unk>. I'm sure it wasn't on the best terms so andy johnson verses also. I know everyone wants to do by. France's donald francis has gone pfeiffer title john jones of heavyweight. Why not don't wanna see third din cornered by. We don't lactose so also ouster over. I know <unk> bygones. Will harris would still lose why not now that. They have the title again l. e. over getting another trial fi anytime soon barring another string of wins which i'm sure he could i do as deep as in his francis dana cormick triangle right now but al your thoughts on anthony johnson returned to annex that you saw question this little strange. I don't think mckee's i i mean i know he's always had an impressive zeke but i don't know if he's ever been under suspicion of of a certainly not now unless unless you know you thought as you know unless creepy is now the prohibited trustee so big now <hes>. It's good to laugh <hes> so i think <hes>. I don't think the thing is a problem. Would you be like same by. I think everyone would <hes> he's just always been even at light heavyweight. You look at the guy. That's a two to hybrid like this guy. This guy is ridiculous. You mentioned over rain. I believe <hes> rumbles manager. We have also the spokes being the at the end said over and was one option guy looking for junior does santos that'd be kinda interesting test but it might give you shades like rumbled johnston and a little dog you'll remember that which was just like nasty <hes> i think maybe junior might bear better than that but it does seem like a major speed issue <hes> and atman that rumble when he when he gets into fighting shape he is real scary. <hes> john jones versus somewhere down the road rumble has said in the past not want wet you know when he's talked about finding heavyweight he would love to do so especially if john john would come in meet them they're kind of said the being though it doesn't seem like jon on jones's ever necessary to make that move so i don't think rumble whatever chop down well i should say that but it it would it would definitely take a lot more commitment and a guarantee of john jones fight for rumble rumble job down to about so i. I don't think that fight that you'll see. Is that invested anymore. A note was looked wants to then was cancelled for you know for john jones reasons <hes> but i think that this ship was kind of them. You know and let rumble. 'cause back is the same kind of absolute monster that he was before. I hate to say we don't see john. Jones rumble. Will it would be very intrigued by over in thinking is likely <hes> but i think even a elliott dossiers gesture of gino santos is possible if junior were pronouncing that all put a name out there <hes> simply because a would be a fun fight in b. I guarantee you. He would want this fight based on history with pasa pons as you know anthony. Anthony johnson has avoided jail time for that misdemeanor for domestic domestic <unk> domestic battery charge. Yes he avoids jail time time with that but he his name attached to domestic battery. Why wouldn't derek lewis wants to fight him. There loses historically been a guy that even if you are proven innocent or there's no like or your cleared or there's no evidence or whatever if your name is tied to that derek lewis said he'd fight. You didn't would travis brown he'd bought him. A heavyweight fight knocked him out in. We saw that happened on derek. Lewis has had like obviously he has the history with his mother and everything i want to speak for him but <hes> why wouldn't derek lewis want that fight i have maybe he won't doesn't want that fight. I i don't and while i i'm just i'm basing my. I'm basing my words off of what you said in paso also i think that fight is crazy in those guys are just not going to <hes> you mentioned the charges another question and i'm not gonna love this but <hes> considering the recent battery charge charge again. I know he's not might not so jail time and also had a previous similar says. Why would you wanna bring him back. I'm sorry i just you know again with all respect. Everyone's rights to have redemption living again and the other circumstances crimes are what they are but this is a very recent charge you know i just i just don't know why the u._c. Driven to to to bring him back. I know that he's always had a relationship company of elliott chelsea manager. You know he's has greatly. You'll see obviously but just just just maybe just don't maybe just wait. Maybe i don't know we'll actually i don't because i think there's a question later. That might kind relate to this so i'll just say. Maybe you just think about this before. Necessarily bring him back with the wheels are in motion. What are you gonna do also <unk> dana white. I i asked anyway dude like pointblank lake any having spoken anthony johnson. He didn't even know anthony johnson planet comeback like after he said he goes. When's the last time you bought. I dunno like dana white. I didn't even know about this. He says he didn't know but that whether he whether you sound tooth not <unk> bandana lots fight with mothers lifeline match the headway but moving on from trump go on the site also if you wanna ask wasn't what am i find dot com find the post this i leave your questions there or you can use hashtag we as side on twitter and we'll get to <hes> josie al bantamweight if huge if this is them jif although can act i'm doing air quotes or people wrote listening if al can actually make my head already people listening but go on <hes> if alba can actually make his way safely without killing himself our juicy <unk> at takedown fence strengthen seems like on paper. That's pretty easy fiber. Although a lot of top bantamweights now are what top featherweights were five five years ago russell boxer frank each other lamas also although screws would be amazing though personally i'd still prefer goto lightweight and said yes you should go to light way. You should go to lightweight dolly within about going to battle it. I don't want does aldo doesn't happen. He looks like he's on death's door. He cuts federal. You want to you take. He's gonna go to vanson that easily. I don't think that's happening anytime soon. Leading even saw his former teammate hanan barral was on was was one step through death's door when he'd cut down to bantamweight in some way so now. I don't wanna see joe's aldo van wait. My god josie aldo vs diamond cousy a firefight <hes> so yeah when recent anything can happen at one forty five. Why does that need to even needs entertained. The thought of one this is i listen. I i am sure that all cannot make one thirty five as shannon sharpe was that nick diaz could not return to me. I art with <unk>. Guess what since shannon sharpe said that if anyone was supposed to mcgregor that i don't know why they were <unk> talking about the o._c. Watch idolize mcgregor. He has <hes> he's he went. He went off on how a._d._s. Can't make won't be five and then the time. I thought it was ridiculous because he made it so. Many times is clear but i mean technically he hasn't fought. It went fifty five cents so the who's a who's right who's really the expert shannon sharper us jose. Let's let's look at it but i am just competence that just cannot make one thirty five live safely or without ruining. There's just no way he could start himself do it but like in the way that we think you know objective way cutting into whatever that that means no now stop this is this is right up there with pseudo. He's just he's bored. He's ordered is in between fights. It makes for good sound. Bite is probably our faults. The asked for this crap okay this kind of close that we like so we can create story out of it or talk about it on some on some stupid you know online streaming question answering shell dell for example being medically so no it's it's. I don't think it's going to happen and just yet one forty by or sunday. It's just be by just to us. There's a lot of fights. I would love to see josie album at one fifty. Five madman hasn't aldo verses his life just engaging aldo verses and the pedestals <unk> find one forty five back in the day. I believe it was usually one sixty three. They are supposed spy and obviously had his fell out during zombie stepped up so pimm verse patasse's there although versus fill in the boy. I'll watch. I'll watch those out by any about five thirty five. I don't wanna see you die making that way. He saw like now people nowadays like argument the way healthy member t digital scholz <unk>. He's like i can make twenty five easy. Stop asking about the way cut in. We saw ads attorney e._p._l. To make it down his energy levels where were the the waco was harder than i saw on the really crept up on but we're gonna yeah don't go josie aldo spot dogo lumber <hes> doc here we go more questioning gordon baum from offering load of it because i didn't realize it's ten forty two or false. Let's keep them short. Alice's got a million the pulse <unk> fight this year else me too. I bet it fights in early twenty twenty. Though henderson who does next fight will be at men's flyweight true true. I will say i will say true simply because he needs needs that segment belts do drippy if he didn't climb the triple c. Phrase in become is brian. I guarantee you he would've wanted it and he'd be fighting like your favor donna groups on for or one thirty five josie elbows next it will be a one thirty five moving on balls. Dan white already shot that down house. Main sterling's next flight will be the interim title title nana. I'm just trying to think of what show is like. They might be desperate to like to make a headliner for they should be okay. Columbia could be something next year but i think the rest of the year. This should be all right so no. I don't that false yeah. I'm gonna say false too. I bet he'd fight someone like i know he's love with dana martin saying that he could see himself. I'm peter you off for the title next but i think there's now this new inflection influx of thirty five years that there might be awesome. Some more opportunities outside of that may be in versus again him versus favor amass or garden fired a new york. Guy favored obviously likes playing california but i'm i'm sure everyone wants to find masks regard unless you're a mazda and you absolutely eight the new york's athletic offers lineman is a terrible fighting new york <hes> so i bet i think favors <unk> by again in the winner of that should probably be number contender anyway but <hes> rob whitaker finishes israel sonya <hes> also because israel is going to win so i don't really see that. Obviously that's not possible. The curse of alexander <unk> might continue on for fighters. I remember are all hall. Oh sorry sorry i would agree i like i it's just i don't know 'cause i. I am now fully. I think i think because i have this tendency with athletes in any sport when i doubt them for so long tom and then they prove me wrong. I was actually very late outside your bank and i was crushing and when they prove me wrong then suddenly dedication is like tenfold now now. It's like okay well. I i was wrong with this guy so i do not assign is going to win so no no no finnish ju <unk> worker sean he had the cursive channel shoddy when run he would write like is the night we fought anderson or the night we fought made dea clary follow every single one he wrote. They lose the next fight so now occurs avows has indicated. I don't believe in a while. You'd better start especially if <unk>. Who did you pick. The big draws on its visit <unk> wins. I'm putting this out in under they use it. Every single time you pick a fight i also the raptors are gonna win so that worked out. That's true you also pixel <unk> the number of games they win so maybe maybe it's just a may. Maybe it's just a calvin gasoline finishes darren. He'll jump gasoline. <hes> false <unk> <unk> three rounds. I would favor a decision optimism around. I think he could get him in the fourth or fifth round gallon gasoline historically. He has a very good pace but i'm gonna say true. Actually i think kelvin has finished a lot of high level middleweights in our sliding someone coming up from welterweight wait but again. We've talked about it at nauseam. Fighters moving up in weight at at looks pretty damn good lately so dan until is a new fighter. He comes in he. He says these words bodies healthy fights gasol who got gas remember for years saying he wanted to go back down welterweight and then he just stayed millwood because he found success so maybe this is of in welterweight fight at middleweight just like i may deoras anthony. This was a lightweight fight at welterweight <unk>. Capitalize not away so i feel like that this is something similar. You're all say he will finish in just to be different from out. Scaly douglas lima beats warming a lunatic. Living is a little inside baseball. I'm sure we we look at some of these questions at a time vice that one line that might be the hardest question to answer all the questions. We've got this week at <hes>. Douglas <unk> got <unk> being a person i have not i haven't so far off the game murmur dolls three bites. It's it's hilarious how far i picked him to beat masashi wrong not even close. I thought he would destroy jon fitch than <unk> not even close. I said that neiman gracie would beat him. That didn't happen at so. I i don't know how i don't know how to how to even deal or warmer. Donald fights clearly or rundell as a man. I don't think i'm qualified to answer this question. Wow turning your back on the canadian project. I don't know how to end. Picketing went on to say i have i. I don't know how to all these others limit because i think that you know when that final i think like the last round or so so i'll be i'll i'll say he will also douglas lima allowing for juicio. Pitbull ballots are jammed. Camp is are two of the most underrated fires on planet earth right now. True true does leave is going to whip and you heard it here. Folks donald went. Roy mcdonald was winning. Dan will fight again in the a._f._c. through on a percents you. I believe he'll either rematch. I'd not i think he's gonna wanna rematch for the same reason. They wanted a rematch him. He goes valter nobel. I'm just competitive man. I wanna <unk> events law so i think he will probably debate one martinez <unk>. Daniel cormet will try pro wrestling after retire cement true if you maybe maybe w are- <unk> <unk>. I mean look they'll. They'll they'll lot. Give anyone with a good name <unk> on with handle themselves in context but at the very least if you don't think he's tag teaming with his roy keane velazquez at some point whether it's for two or three or neutral wrestling wherever it is that that velasquez's career takes him. You don't think that their tag team at least one time which i would count as try pro wrestling you are you're segmenting orme is gaining in their ideas. Get i eat. He is going to finally enter the sport of gentlemen <hes> at some point when he has done it that way. I'm gonna say true but true in a difference. I don't think he's gonna russell. I think it's going to be a commentator. I think dan empowerment is very charismatic. Individual vigil. He's very good on. The microphone is very good talker also on the wrong side of forty now. I think it's a little too late. Start your professional wrestling chris for someone. Who's had these injuries suicidal these <unk>. He's gone through the wringer. I don't think he also wants to be on the road again. Use lawn through all this fight camps that obviously done wearing body. I identify would make an excellent commentator. Maybe for like an annex t where they only do you not marin. I'll only does the takeover shows. It doesn't do all of the actual episodes. I think data department affirmative <unk> excellent excellent excellent commentator. Maybe it's cain. Velasquez goes into wrestling more more leisurely breyer he goes. I know he was at the. I know exactly a <hes> <unk>. Japan show in long beach game velazquez game lasts joins new with. I don't see happening anytime soon. <unk> maintained lassus mouthpiece because because in dana cormet do a map you could just throw veto like around the rain just throw all these super junior's around the ring so department as a manager slash commentator counts that counts accounts but moving on question for you specifically. I would imagine you've done a lot of you've done. A lot of dana white contender series recast nice assaults. It is it's it's. It's a question whether you whether it's nicer not is on you but you have done a lot of our a contender series coverage <hes> so i'll leave this. I feel like you would be best suited to answer this from the big squish. I was having this argument earlier. What is the point of. Dana white tuesday contenders as is an. I don't know if you've noticed. It's not tuesday contenders anymore. It's just dana white. Contenders suits all take the tuesday out of dana white container suits. It's to me the point of the show is to bring exciting inexperienced low level fires would the hope with that with that the hope that a small percentage of them will go the distance ranked ranked opposition championship potential etcetera and be long-term sauce for the company your thoughts out. I think you've watched more. Contenders fights anyone on the site what so right to the point is dana. Dana white's container series doing its job. That is what the tunnel is. Question is what is the point of the contender series to you <hes> yes. It's doing his job. No it is not doing the job that i think a lot of people are hoping it what which is you know finding it. It's not finding the next big star. You know maybe they will. I'm not saying not from the shelves can't star. It's just that that is not the primary goal to show. I hate to give us in glasser. 'cause you know jose. What do i always say waiting. 'em mayor supposed to be fun as they're on record saying matt but this is a business not the sauce was made the point contender series at least through the first three seasons has been to provide talent the level of sound so insulting but i mean you you know you need those backbone guys unique. I feel on the freelance niner cards and a also the guys who who are hungry rate is stepping on short notice <hes> so the show is helping these fighters even if they don't get signed former relationship with yo- see there on a list the u._c. knows where they are usually has an eye on them. It's it's just part of the abc's takeover over you know and they're getting a lot of again. They're getting like why. Do you think dana white wants just got to go for knockouts because he's getting he's getting those exciting place. The premiums are hopefully. He's getting those guys in crete highlights. He's getting those good stories. All on two contenders stories <hes> you know have usually sorry contenders series usually have great stories about overclaim personal tragedy <hes> just the perseverance. The human spirit is like that. Which is you know ideally what we like to imagine. Martial arts all about mileage may vary once. You've reached the highest level which the obscene <hes> so yeah. I mean just just to sort of stay again. It is doing his job but his job is to stock up talents regardless of whether or not necessarily have championship upside star upside is just giving them a lot of a lot of motivated bodies at a reasonable cost and this kind of relates to the again another question about revenue like you wanna know why why twenty percent so and and why <hes> why uh-huh keep costs low is because of shows like this where you have fighters who are hungry willing to compete. There was a guy yesterday yesterday peter from boston dana white tom town of boston and he was is all like you must have said four or five time companyman whatever use he wants to do on <unk> book whatever i wanna be a good man for the company. This guy just got doc contracts and he's like. I'm coming with u._c._l._a. Hey i'm jason delray and i'm hosting a new podcast. It's called land of the giants in it. We examined the most powerful tech companies of our time. Season one's called the rise of amazon about how jeff bezos turn what was just an online bookseller into one of the biggest companies in the world and how it transformed the way we shop live and work will explore how amazon prime is the leaky to the company's success and how it's something you'll never quit. 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Your day subscribed today explained for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app from stitcher <hes> and the vox media podcast network that or guys like this finding guys that are that are available at talented hardworking people but control and <hes> so yes competitor is doing his job <hes> it's just not the not the most romantic jock goal as it is and we. I'm getting notification that you have a poor connection again on your internet so but you're still here. You're still crystal clear so i'm not going to jinx it. What yeah i agree with you. It's getting these fighters <hes> basically i. I've asked a lot of fighters this throughout mean today asked to fighters when we were in edmonson. A lot of the contingencies guys is like the jeff neal the jeff noodles and i asked <hes> macy barbara this question to like. Who are you fighting for. Are you fighting to get the win or you fighting for dana white because at the end of the day like dana white terms if you get contracts but obviously he wants the exciting fighters. Are you fighting just to get the w. or you. Exciting are you. Is it or is it just the glorified trial and you just want to put on a crazy performance made. You get crazy win. Would then get you on dana white's radar both jeff neal and may as you barbara set had different answers definitely just five for the way because at the end of the day a win is a win and so you don't get the contract that still another w on your record and to get two or three more. You probably guessed you'll see anywhere macy. Barbara said like you basically have to fight. She was like you should fight differently. If you're if you're a grind amount kind of find god by differently. You've gotta be excited. You gotta get on. Dana white's radar level in this that i don't think it's very it's very unique situation where we had two fighters get the the contracts and they both had very different answers <hes> with any see like the sugar sean o'malley to have like a crazy knockout on contender series and now they really wanna push him the whole <hes> you sada pulsing situation happened in the same as same as greg hardy well whether you he hasn't story outside <hes> yes but like it gets that knockout gets developmental deal so it's it's who were you find. I i want to know the i would love to ask every single fire who goes through the tender series. Who are you planning for dana white or just adjusted w like because we've seen like member of the i four whitaker said a bar fight that wasn't series but they both got contracts 'cause of crazy crazy fight so if you put on a crazy fight could you could you. Maybe not get a maybe not get a contract. Get put on one of those shortlists for like hey if we need a sharp short notice replacement fight keep him on <unk> so i would love to ask every single fighter in for the w. or dana white and by the way i want to be proven wrong and i would love to see one of these contingencies all the way become a superstar become a world champion <hes> <unk> deserving. They're they're all hard working. Fighters <hes> the the only the only thing is if one guy becomes a star. That's all anyway will lead to to say hey look. Hey look dummies told you this show was about finding a star this world champion now two years ago now. He's headlining this paper view so for all you critics out. They're yapping at stupid. <hes> dummy alex alid whatever it is but made fighting out he would say that but you know i feel a tax. If you went off this rand in answer that's what he would do. If contender series that creates starts does great. I'll take the backlash yeah and i know oh. We're going to have a second season this year. Another rumblings on it before with dana white says he based at the storm yesterday was that he said that he basically wants me. Landscape of local estimates a kind of fill back up again so he's not just taking all the talent so there were hopes of. Maybe doing two seasons a year. That's not the case but will come back and apparently only the ultimate fighters coming back so we're gonna have to pathways to <hes> get into the o._c. Why are you the do we find the fan of the ultimate fighter. Do we find a one fan the last fans i got my bones ban doing ultimate fighter recap for free. That's all i got him ever may radar man i. I'm still down. I've seen <unk>. I'm sure there are bigger than me. I've missed. Maybe two or three seasons so you watch every episode. You watch every episode. I watched pretty much every day. I think the last three or four cs i've watched literally rips famous season sadly like kind of season six which was like that's the matt at sarah mathews season improbably talent wise produced. One of the worst crops fighters. Mac danzig won that year. He wanted to have a decent career. All offense on sunday so a couple of guys came out but by that time that was landau's after the lightweight season number deals like nate diaz a super high quality season but it was right after that that you kind of got the feeling ooh maybe maybe they kind of as he sat continues. Maybe they <unk> drain the pool a little bit of these of the unknown fighters and sixes when <unk> kind of started happening their strategies for that but that's that's what i said but it was very very educating see i really liked the was the the mayhem miller michael disney season that produces a lot of excellent gigabyte dow's on <unk> dillashaw mad dennis for <hes> marcus berman's. This is on that one i i believe i think that was a i think mayhem was a very underrated coach. Michael bisbee has been agree close closer to three times he wanted <hes>. I liked the dynamics. There was those the bad blogs in the coaches would at the end of the day they were really good coaches and there was an hot very high level problem towns down was my favorite one but also because visually those divisions were pretty new one that will allow that aired so there was a lot of high level lower weight loss fighters. Still i believe <hes> miller day is the only person who ever coached tough only fighters. Aren't you ever catch up with without a u._f._c. because he didn't win after he didn't before. I think he's the only one probably province. We want that is very strange but we're moving on. We're running out of time and i'm did you guys can use twitter. I'm seeing a lot of people saying. Jose doesn't check twitter for the questions but every time i check twitter. It's the same questions that are on the site so it's like see twitter's like what do you think about henry suto finding joseph bennett vitas or what did you think of <unk> dropping abandoned way so i see the questions we answered answered them so if you want to use hashtag the a side on twitter i'll see the questions i'll answer but i just don't answer sometimes because the same questions or like last week i really wanted to talk about hannah ciphers in my promo which got cut short requests about hand ciphers so i saved it but that's out there so we're going to. I'm looking on twitter. Go ahead use the hashtag. I'm not seeing any moment right for last question before we get in so are promos any word on from zaqoud aku kotecki and he or she. I don't know has says yes. You are pronouncing my user incorrectly. That's been a debate. We had many many a week <hes> so we are pronouncing that name correctly anywhere on what sony has been up to have her for him in a while. Yeah tony ferguson was at u._c. To forty one <hes> we were told he might do a media scrum backstage but all of us probably not and it didn't happen. <hes> i imagine he's waiting for the winner of does import a and b mega made it off. I think that's the answer using forty two doesn't <unk> a media conference. Call which are tomorrow did an excellent ryan upon <hes>. He said someone asked him. What's next next after this like who's the next contender with all these lightweight fights happening. He says referred in harm sound like it's not even a question like so yes a there is zero debate over who was next in line. Lightweight ishaq already have had five lights advise already at this point it just ban situations since have captain either injuries or personal reasons have kept him out of that but yeah i think the lancers waiting for <unk> or avena remains doesn't a a reigning champion gets top billing apologized <hes> but yeah. Is there really any debate out. I usually lamer when it comes to user names so executive luke cookie listen to this is some offensive term that we're not hip to certain some obscure sex acts i want to i just seen all that into the minds on moves allies is ahead of time to any children. That may be watching any concern parents. Maybe watching. I know that's our main audience children to concerned parents if that is an offensive term reposited. It's on these people are very cheeky and drink. Clever with user names was quest l. toni braxton now i am. I am the spirit of the smartest thing this man can do is wait. Tony burke <unk> bless his heart will fight anyone fight anywhere he keeps holy bodies that matt classic fighters spirit wade tony just chill-out. Maybe chill his training videos are infamous. I know they make good viral content but you're not telling me don't do ross whatever whatever wacky the training situation you contact me. These like skydiving. I've tried fighting there. While skydiving would be awesome. It'd be great to post about that but at the same time just stay. Stay healthy and don't give up your spot. You are some might say not number contender the uncrowned champion. Maybe the best late in the world. You know if you're just how forget belts <unk>. You're just like his his resume in his cage results. The band has cost like forever. So what does he been up to. He's waiting. He's chilling filling out and that's exactly what he should be doing. The put in perspective pizza pizza and i talked about this the last time tony ferguson loss women weren't even in the u._s. It's it's madness but one final one annoys the balance was the final question but <hes> from our friend teddy bear. Will you get up at one end of lots. The android version zhang prelims and will you will. We see more of these early morning hours of u._s. U._s._c. seems pretty invest time so alex you waking up early so u._c. U._c. shenzhen it's not it is a time. It's three a._m. Eastern time right. I'm not crazy right yes three a._m. Eastern <unk> midnight for you as as that right correct okay <hes>. I think i will be kind of a weird question. Ask us because obviously it's our job provides coverage. I mean we do have a bunch of mark on it but i do kind of like to be around for these cards. I do think this card. I'm not gonna. I don't want to see it as a sleeper because if anyone's even looked at it top to bottom there is a lot of people making their debut and again. This is not i. I don't want to criticize the matchmakers. There's a lot of logistics that go into only a show in in in china so i was in the more local talent you get the people that you know the closer you get get the easier it is. I'm not gonna this card is a card of necessity. You know related to showcase for really jong and just gone drives these yangyang so some of some of the fighters on the main card the prelims. It's gonna look like a look like again. A regional show over in asia but i probably yes. We'll be up if reviewed not your job to cover this mind. My professional advice would be just. Maybe get up for the main card which i think about six a._m. Eastern time and then watch the highlights slater which you will be able to find on dot com. I like someone on twitter as people on the east and west east coast in pacific co-star. You're waking up to see see it. I'm staying up to see it so there's a big difference because main card starting at three a._m. I'm staying for you. Guys can set your applause along longs for six a._m. Itemise this is the one this is one b. One instances where being an n._f._l. Ban on the east coast is more beneficial. You don't want to <hes>. I remember living on the east coast for fights in having the like i remember i was on the east coast for when john jones sloughs guston we will working at like we finish working etienne. I remember leaving the barclay center after habibur xilai into. I left that arena at five a._m. In white so the airport happened so anyway but it with that i looked at twitter <unk> outside of people people complaining about me not using twitter so i addressed that but as always find us here on youtube youtube dot com slash <unk> fighting you vise on <unk> google play spotify all of a sudden putting it out there because i always forget to get that blood but as always the final segment of the show outflow floors whatever promo you want <hes> you know just just people keep keeping on <unk>. This week is coming out as always should be good because there was toyo seat was past weekend so the chance for some of the smaller promotions to shine so that's always exciting. There will be shenzhen coverage. I know we have some i. I don't have any features coming up but i know we do have some features. That will be coming up. I believe one of buster. Wait sleep. Paralysis leschi should should be dropping this week so that's very exciting. I know people people really want to see see him. Get a higher platform. Hopefully after this light. He's fighting the lead over after that. What will <hes> will. You know pick up for him. Cassim fight some of the top ten <hes> i again you should <unk> we on this on a few other topics. I i always end may be by this i also wanted to 'em may should be something that fans. <hes> just put a little more thought into some times. You know i'm not saying it's that you know you need to over think everything anything but we talked with a revenue thing and some of these other subjects even when it comes to human when it comes to think we just put out the story today <hes> just broke. It was reported originally buy t._m._z. b._j. <unk> a i know. We didn't have that if no questions be depend unless they involve another altercation. I will you know before you form opinions on things read as much as you can be patient be patient. You know you don't need to combat everything <hes> the <unk> purpose appalachian lot of opinions on l. What happened to the assault allegations that what happened with element of the bar and just people just throwing opinions left right this for no reason like i know it's cool to talk about stuff but just be educated and thoughtful. The more educated and more thoughtful in your inmate doing that is that is really my roundabouts up points this week as oppose wow said alex and i will it was nelson well said well said out the bad boy alexander keighley asking people to not be as the bad boy like him but my promo is. I'm gonna re hash hash <unk> because my promo apparently got cut from youtube stream or technically reasons so my promo last week is hand ciphers. She was my favorite g. What's the biggest star the come out in my mind out of that by car outside of the top three fights obviously palo koster <unk> were the big winners denecker mate at the yoel romero still big names by hand ciphers. If you look at our youtube page did excellent numbers of people are absolutely absolutely invested in what she has to say and i asked her to her face is. Are you aware that so many people are interested in you and her exact phrase. Was i guess so i she says quote. It was neat the meeting daniel <unk>. It was really cool meeting dana white so i feel like she's acting like a lot of fans would activate become u._c. Fighters where she it was truly a big fan coming up also cases about finding in every time she does interview she apologizes and says i'm working on this getting back. Getting better and ciphers was the biggest star dr come out of u._c. To forty one i will die. Ill and i can't wait see who she fights next. She says she doesn't want to fight on the card because she is. She does not like flying so so again. Just another reason suggest just warms your heart so hannah cyber <unk> you want and i hope that chrome. Oh didn't get caught it is. I'm sorry hannah. I'm not gonna say third time netflix but as anything else you want staple we sign off. I looked at twitter. People complaining that we don't go ninety minutes game but outs <unk> deuce sobbed as yet does thank you thank you for sticking through disag- through the opening audio and network problems. I can tell you that nothing will happen again. It was it was a very big problem. My knew exactly what it was when it happened. It was just oversight on my part so thanks guys for sticking to. I know it's so annoying <hes> deal with it and watch us bumble through it but we really appreciate shape always always appreciate out listeners watchers quarters. I don't bum with things i get very angry and jake white fish like an old man yellow technology but for jose that's alex. We'll see you next wednesday at the normal time. One pm eastern ten a._m. Pacific. I don't know who my goal is going to be made. 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"All RIGHT EVERYBODY. Welcome back to the move. Podcast brought to you. By patrolling Tequila. We buried clearly. Have a couple of patrols. Today we're talking about the edge best only as and as we all know. Unfortunately we're not talking about the twenty twenty Liz best only as at least not yet talk that A lot of these spring classics will be held a very compact and condensed cycling season. In the fall we can touch on that a little bit later I'm also as always sitting beside somewhere else in Austin Texas J. B. Hager J. B. H. a. k. j. h. and the newly bearded one east of us in Greenville. Look at the GREYBEARD on Mr Hincapie. Thanks for pointing that outlets YEP and somewhere farther east Mr Johan Bruyneel the Real J. B. You doing on the man and never sleeps the man who never sleeps we for the listener and viewer. At home we have. We're on a group text. That's how advanced we are and we'll start talking about you. Know what time should we do this? And and what should we talk about what what been to just show? We covered by the way this year. Today we're covering today covering nineteen eighty seven one by Marina Argentine for his third time in the world champion's Jersey and two thousand nine which is worn by Andy Slick but we'll be going back and forth on stuff and I just look at my watch. I don't know about you guys but I look at my watch like it's you know it's nine o'clock. I'm doing the math in my head. Like what time is it in Spain where he is like? Does this guy not sleep you on? What is wrong? That's that's how dedicated and passionate about well. You always have been and so that's nice to see that that hasn't changed. Hey before we jump into it a little bit of a housekeeping here before we get to the housekeeping and talk about our supporters As we've said the last few weeks you know we still just continue to live in this time where it's to me. It's just so uncertain. You know where we are as a as a not just a country but as a society with regards to testing all the different types of testing antibody testing testing for the virus. Vaccinations stay at home. Orders social distancing all of the things and so it's you know but But it just is what it is and so We're all adapting as best. We can you know I'm I know I'm Using this time to just kind of double down on my health and wellness and then also learn new things which I won't bore you all with but just Reading a lot and and and doing stuff that I guess I've always wanted to do or learn about It's been cool. You know and as my good buddy. Dan Buettner said on the show on the forward a couple of weeks ago. You know. I think this provides us as a society a real opportunity to hit reset right. And if you think about life you know at me almost fifty years old you. Just don't many chances to hit reset and so I I wouldn't I wouldn't waste you know it's a funky time but if you can hit reset for yourself for your family for community you know why not. This might be your only shot and so and with with regards to cycling. We talk about it on the show every week you know. Probably also an opportunity for the Peleton hit reset -ironically. I got a message from one of the top pros last night. wanted to to to go on about how best to sort of re engage reemerged re Restart the cycling season and and do they put their foot down now anyways I. I'm glad that they're starting to be these questions. But it is a chance for a reset for them so before we jump into nineteen eighty seven. Lia's best only a little bit of business today. Show is brought to you by amp human by the way both these companies. We'll talk about our our Companies that we have invested in it next ventures My two partners Conquer Mel strong great great team there. We love these brands impune. 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I just wanted to point out one thing as I as we soar set so it sounds like an on beck. Sounds like it's eighty miles down and eighty miles back from liaised best on it's forty five miles the raises one hundred and sixty miles or just gives you a sense for you. Basically shoot down to best on and then it's just they literally ride back to find every single hill that they could possibly find and you'll see it as we watch this coverage it is one of the hardest one day races on the map on the calendar and again we get the cool opportunity to see the difference to see to cycling to see cycling from the late eighties and see cycling in the two thousands completely different sport. Johan quick question Did you raise the nineteen eighty seven? Lia's best only edge or as you people in Flanders Call it the luck best luck. Buster Malcolm Look. Yeah I did. It was actually my first year of professional Nineteen eighty-seven and I was you know it wasn't a very small team of the burden. Sponsor was a bank from the edge though we got We invite and so as rookie. Of course I didn't. I didn't finish the race but I have a very interesting story about a race is won by Argentine world champion and early in the race for me. Those guys were like no idols. Eight hundred eighteen world champion Special Jersey At some point I knew I was nervous. I kind of touched his back wheel and we both went down. I made him fall and he was. He was like gone it off. I got my my Verbal aggression from Marino was. Of course he was the big favourite. You had one already. You got well. He was a very cranky guy he was cranking none no. He was cranky. Okay well you know again of I mean I can understand. There's this rookie guy. He's you know he's all out of his out of out of his league. And then you know your eyes on the fragrance I would be frustrated frustrated to oh I would have been some kind of pissed. I just quit my my Marino Argentine story quickly when I was first year as a pro on Motorola. He started yelling at me and a race and he didn't you know I was I was he. He he and he started calling. Bishop thought I was Andy Bishop and a little asshole. I'm I'm twenty twenty one years I turn around and I called him fondriest. What an asshole. I mean this guy multiple time this guy a future hall of Famer. I'm nobody I turned it. I mean what a little trick was ninety to ninety. This was either. Yeah it was either late night. It might have been late ninety two now. It might have been torched. It was probably tour. The Med ninety three nonetheless walk. You know it was because then we came back Intro fail like Walia and we were in the breakaway together which You know the very fortunate to have one. But he he He sat up in the sprint. He didn't want to be. I swear to God. He didn't want to be seen in the picture so myself. Leonardo Sierra from Venezuela some other dude. What's that de la Santa and Argentine forming up the road anyways? He's a legend and I was a little asshole. That's the takeaway. So let's let's let's jump in one thousand nine hundred seven again like we say every week. Just look it I. I love watching this old footage. Look at the bikes. Look at the speed there. Going these hills and you'll see the difference from two thousand nine Look at the equipment. Look at the clothing. It's just it's just completely different. Let's not forget. We have a special guest. Dan Guests talk about this race. So after after we have two guests today so after nine hundred eighty seven. We'll have guessed number one and then after nine we'll have guests number two property. Johan for making a call and getting this footage like if you've watched footage from the eighties on youtube you can barely tell what's going on. This is like the commercial grade footage from the broadcast. It's it's really impressive. You know what I watched J. B. I'm glad you said that you know what I watched from the eighties. The other day top gun. No no I always when I'm talking to the kids. I don't know why but growing up in the eighties there was there. Was this commercial for this. You Silly Board game called operation and at some point in the commercial. You're just laughing at some point in the commercial like the fucking creepy as voice of all time comes is it takes varies daddy. And do you remember that commercial? That's why say it to the kids all like especially my little ones and like dead Europe freak your creep like what is an. I pulled it up on Youtube and I watched this commercial and sure enough at the end. This this this weird voice. It takes very steady hand very steady hand to me now. I Fang Operation Iraqi doctors game. That does sound creepy. I do remember that. Don't bring that up to the kids right now. You should show your kids so all right. Let's jump in. Here is nineteen eighty-seven all right here. We go. We jump right into the nineteen eighty-seven Lau best in Ocala. See that there that's the Flemish pronunciation. Of course we all mostly know it as the edge. I only hear about seventy kilometers to go again. You just see the difference in cycling through the car see the equipment look at these images. Gert Janta on the left. I mean if if people who watch cycle and in the eighties nineties he was he was like he was like Like he was in Motley crue and somewhere in this race is Johan Bruyneel dirt. Girl was one of my heroes. I know still watch him talk. He was one of the Taller riders. And now this was a Rockstar on the mountain. loved watching him growing up. This is this is Anderson Guys who have been in Flanders a few weeks before and now they're in the final Nowadays also really not the nuts nuts thinkable anymore but the media even any car in sprinter phones. The Wolf is one of my one of my heroes and here. This is already This further in the race so you have argued in a climb that still to this day features very prominently a Labrador is arguably the most famous one. And we're you know. Most people tend to think that the race is going to be decided. The all Stephen Roach Anthony said we have This month your one of your brothers. Where on the French national champion kit jobs with a male forty years old at that age or years old Robert Miller interesting story so this is This is good selection of strongest guys. Or Sir this is already far this strictly on our talking Seemingly at least but will see later on that. It's this is not the ace up. Radio is making no very heart attack and you you you were telling us a second. Ago Creek. Had One quickey on had one tour finders just just the week before or two weeks for before. Yes yes it was. This is Steven Rochon. Bridging up the could on so these are the two strongest riders on the Labor already gathering flesh on the Wednesday before so feeders. Before the special near you have dinner with the Chaser so basically you know out of the race. George George Sorry. We stepped on your there. What were you gonNA say George while? I just thought it was really interesting to see how easily a Roach Bridge on crime. Read right boss. The current world champion Time Marine Argentina. And you could tell. He was on an incredible day. That bad day in as we'll find out later on that year would best year ever hit yet? Argentina's even even dropping from the chaser. So you would say right Roach Strong who's that's the writers going for the same scenario a little bit like without the nineteen Amicable racine also brickley all Was obviously very strong. Roach is best year ever And so now they're going to get defined of the race to the finish this at this is the Which was usually the last flying men by the way how? How good did Stephen Roach look on a bike? Look I mean he in that generation look at this. I mean completely efficient. I mean there's nothing. Wasted their viewers are home? Watch leaving the rewind that because you could save the the downshifting he puts Inter Europe down below. And we're back. What the big chain ring and does the jagged pronouncing the watch. Sorry the ruptured. So here we have. This is the finish. Oh argan incomes out of nothing from behind and being the least strong writer hoagies five comes back and wins the sprint than Wentz for the third time in a row which is unbelievable it because he was just a wily Fox. I mean he knew how to do things like that. We watched a bit more indepth coverage earlier on in last date. Argentine dropped like four times narrow one day and he never gave up a comeback catching up with TUNA MUSIC. Own wins the whole thing. Comes the Roach Post race interview? Stephen Roach it won't happen in that final today. What happened Argentine. Come from the bike in the winter. Spent after being away quick. You didn't seen him before dawn on nothing. I just say that I say one of the mainers that aligned so that was too big deception. I understand everything. That's the big deception as he said. But we will ask our our special guest today. Is Mr Stephen Roach? The last person to win the triple crown and cycling for those. Who Don't know at is the Jiro. The tour in the world championships and in many ways may never happen again. The sport is just so different. Now probably if I make a prediction is just won't happen again. We have sleeping. We have Steven joining us now. Saw Your you know your performance in your interview? You're incredibly incredibly disappointed. And I guess you could still remember. Thank you for joining US Stephen Than And welcome to the move out of me on the John. You know it's amazing. It's still long ago but the memories are so vivid in my mind. You know. There's certain raises you. You win or lose you you you forget this one. I will never forget the one the one that got away. You know like I I one one or two one day races like the world. Championships are festival on our Senate last time women alias Muster years but have been for me you know. What a capitalized. Oh nomo one tours never WANNA be classic whereas an incredible so at nightmares tonight so Stephen. He was because Argentine was dropped. Quite a few times in your mind. If you think back and you're in your mind he was gone. He was never coming back. Well Yeah for me. Add on our only two guys left the race damn but to understand all that's gonNA flush like little bit three or four days before because there was a seven second power sneeze second toward a neon second or third year. Low the HYPE PLACES ON OFFEND YOU. Second or third again. Nfl on days before US might be four years. I started my practice for everybody. Five came to my room with your great guy you know but second hair second. I Arthur place here as there is no big deal. You know we want you to have to win so you have to be prepared to to lose to win. That's good. I'm good tightly. Get so I ended up them into finally at the club to going to him. A mind got to be prepared to lose to win. Normally I would have written Weizer line but this day you tactics be prepared to lose to win and I thought about everybody else. Wow I guess I guess even you bet you second beginning of that season but at the end of the season I guess the Boifava didn't say the same. I didn't have the same speech anymore right after winning world championships in was a different story. Well it's different story okay but you know the US. Every time. I wrote it generally up there. No place in the champions and it was definitely a race of one reason. Made more was not just might A. M My coaching from aided by five with this new technique Progress lose to win at all was On the G. A. Incestual on three days earlier I was flying over the Saudi quick alarm joke on a few guys and Happens those as doesn't show happens again today Leaving it all. Let's do it together you attack. I won't right after you attack. You know you don't write off to me. We do it together. Ever wins wins so we said Okay and then I was just talking. If you times and I noticed curriculum was GONNA thoughtless on driving up pushes somebody else to catching time. When cloudy way nobody chased and then I realized there's something else going on you know so I realize that maybe I've been Kinda. Claudius spoken somebody else in the group to maybe the same kind of scenario storylines equity the same deal but Junked auto tactic even the great to see you. You look great and it's been a long time. I can't remember the last time I saw you but just for reference for our viewers know today's technology. We're getting up to minute. Time splits known exactly. Who's coming up are ahead or how far behind in that particular day. When did you was your last hand split and did you have literally no idea that? He was actually coaching. It's SURENA meters ago. I'm a big. I'm not to be found it all up to the race. Radios will be you know. Hutton ended in Tomorrow for cuts without one day and a given thinking raceway. But we've got a time. Check out about thirty five forty seconds down with the laws and the last five K. We slowed up. We basically stopped on the road. So thirty five forty second in a Miller on the guys chasing. I enjoy the gap very quickly and when you turn around the team cars you couldn't feeder writers and you couldn't see my team director shouting Renault. Hey Guys Hey Guy Mutlu guys coming back from behind was race over it was neon cricket on if I was going on he could win and he knew if he led me off. I would win so we ran great sprinters basically could come off the wheel a real win. It's even its exact. Last week we covered Amstel Gold Race from twenty nine thousand nine hundred and it's basically exactly what happened right. You had Allah Felipe and Google Song in the front with you. Know the minute plus with three kilometers to go in their minds that like okay. This is why some one of us is GonNa win whoever wins this up sprint and of course behind. They're going as fast. They can't but still nobody could have believed. It's the same but that's you know for the listener. The viewer at home. This is what happens when those two leaders play cat and mouse game. And you're going you know twenty five thirty kilometers an hour and behind you. They're going basically twice as fast if not faster you know they can come back and and I. It's a as we sit at home as fans and watch how. How did that happen? But I'm telling you when you're going again twice as fast but you know with with the tactic of being prepared to lose in order to win. That's what happens right and I mean you you you know they come back well when you have guys in the same level or no real fast sprintone. A group at U. Tennis McKay May Beckham Indus Them. So would have a right to hard than I won't win so after looking. Hainan calculating hostile guys come behind US locally afford to go but either way if I ride heart win so best. Tactic is no ride. My own level hope to come back but starting obstacle race the Stephen Will. We'll let you go. I just have one final question because I remarked when we were just watching the race and I told the audience I said just just watch him on the bike. I mean this is look everybody else and then look at him like the. The efficiency smoothness the beauty of that. Does it still looks like that when you go out and peddle around looking at some guys on the bike today? Say Gee where I gotTa Whitefish Brush. But I'm not like you know I was perfect guys Mike Tyson for better or whatever but it bites us now are all done are a special all-rounders right is at instead of bikes to climb better sprint. Better kind of time try better whatever and sometimes some look incredibly awkward advice but I must say I was looking at those as something other than the legs you know and the important thing is to get going forward as fast you can and the is today pushing out some. What's you know? It's absolutely amazing. That's amazing to watch the GUYS AT PUTTING OUT TODAY. And it's down to the Adopted the power buddy. I agree one little remarking stain before a was a writer for the dance but at one refunders which is you know completely different race for all the viewers and the listeners. Who Don't know you the mall and I was telling Stephen would be on the show and they're an interesting story a think you will remember that also you know When there was off your amateur right and he was beating Latin. That guy was Stephen Roach Buddy with Chris by the way no couple Slavic and then later on winner of the frown sent directly in World Championships. In one of the best all-round writers were also. That was an interesting interesting detail. I got to know yesterday. Added no that one by his nominee. That's my tank famous numbers but very public finishers. Remember distracted never saw a titan. Four never saw have eighty-four and strike with a with Derek and Could you know what happened to? You is looking under Ryan side and going on to find a straight off on the inside but I forgot the condoms very quickly. I want to go directly border up and down but I held him off to sprint's but Mike Tyson. I've got an Irish guy was lost the Mola's the Belgium coming but all the fans around them so familiar have discharged from me. I'm one of my best memories ever of any race. Awesome even thank you Lance Russell number you and I as the tour I was at tight about five casing Yoko. You caught me on the stage. So Okay Jerry's all you know but I remember that very well you know. I forgot all about that. I tell everybody every week. I don't remember any of these things I don't know what's wrong with me. But you're right into Minta I believe. Yeah Binda type of five to go and This is my my claim. Summer arms and we were trying to is here and You'll beat me and also anyway but always on the other side Lance. Thank you also for your win the World Championships in Norway. Because if you haven't won that German detected in urine would have been a second guy third guy to run the zero two on the world's but on the world is that here in the tour Masecond of the world. Thank you we had a deal. You know I like cookie on. I honored my into the deal. So Anyhow you're right you're right the triple crown. Thanks they gag is again. That's two lads. We've got called leads are. Let's jump into two thousand nine fouls it's amazing to me. These these these slightly older former pros this idea of zoom outside in the wind tunnel having a glass of wine on your balcony clearly stephen out in his garden. It's Johan what do they say to you when you call them up and you say we're going to do it on zoom. Are they like what? What the fuck is zoom they know. Do they know that there's a gave? I gave Season Stephen. Express course Fifteen minutes before the show. Yeah clearly clearly. So let's let's all make a pledge to stay on top of technology as we age and will make a pledge to have Johann text. Andy and make sure he's not in his. You know out in his garage like working on his seventy two. Mustang. While it's running. Let's jump into nine all right here. We are in two thousand nine. Lia's best only thirty five kilometers to go. You'll want to bring us up to speed on. What the Hell. We're watching here and again notice the difference twenty two years. This is the the bottom of the ladder. So you know always the same same Breaking point in the race this breakaway And you know you have the the bunch of fall the favorites that we mean whether what a big a big Tom now. Great Weather So this is this is a French wider at the French writer from the breakaway on Basically we'll see a and again just the difference in speed For a variety of reasons equipment training probably some payment. You know some better payment but And also the thing that I think is so inch. Look at look at the size of this. The they're calling it a Pelivan look at the size of that group. You never would unlock. Do you. Never would've seen a group that size twenty years before that it was it was sort of every man for himself at that point. Well also just really whether dependent on turns in how big the group is at the bottom of liberty when this this day was obviously a really nice day and you know. I'm not sure which way the winds were coming but makes a big difference in terms of the size of the group a later on in the race. Yeah this clearly a one of the the the edges and interesting it starts to be US get towards the end of the Spring Season. So you can have. You could have a seventy degree day or you can have a day with snow. I mean it's really in you. Just gotTa pick them from year to year but boy Labrador. It's obviously look steep. It is steep steep as it looks. Man It it it it It is it's A narrow and look at this. I mean it's in by the way the tourists come through here quite a few times as well. This is An event that's also owned by the company that that owns The Tour de France. Oh released you'll bear who feature prominently here in a few K. I believe has a hotel at the bottom of it or had at some point two million with his area. That is some east from there from this. This is this is from Fox walks so you see already here with guy is getting away from the Group of favorites and going to the breakaway who already has One writer of sexual bunk Grown so it's clear. That sucks of bunk was definitely focusing on this Vehicle see later in the race that they have confidence in either. I'm in a situation like that. You want to have on your is that on us. The more numbers we can have in the front the better. So if you're not able to go with the main selections try to get ahead of a main selection. Best would be gathered doing here. So you receive Groezinger Against the other one is equally Martinez. these guys are basically. What's what remains from an early breakaway. And then one guy comes from the from the bunch basically waiting now. What's going to happen in the year? This is about the moment against the breakaway sparked. Look at this Philipsburg talking on an amazing amazing power something amazing. Let's do the do the breakaway in basic? You look at it. I've personally been on the wheel when not deliver is doing these sorts of efforts in training. I can tell you what it is pretty pretty amazing bird one minute power. This guy has actually spoke to believe this morning. There are new. We're GONNA do this race. Amass what he was thinking he was actually trying to get a bit ahead of the group before the the Atty say the roof which was a new climb that year also focal Russia. Russia about this I that would set name. But he's looking bagging. He thought it was a bit of nervous movie. Got Ahead got some help from the motorbikes as all the balance due any story five six. Put an amazing right. But you'll see here what happens once our boy andy goes. We'll obviously this kind of attack is is you know he. Ep relaxed confidence. No otherwise you would have waited until Laroche before and we will see why the wrong when when the Excitement in the strongest dire grace to sin. So you know this is basically under normal circumstances I would say jill bear gone you know. This is the winning move as easy rider with the motorbikes day. Exactly I mean. He is literally being sucked along. This is the bottom of that flying levels of full form. Which is the second last brashear from set up one of the guys from the breakaway? Look at the time difference. I mean you see when nine thirty seconds so this replay of craft row just to go back to delete believed intention whereas there there was derived his own pace about guns. Then want to deal with the favorites. Don't he wanted to write his own pace hill? Here you see this is this is sucks. Ivanka eating out so basically said a really hard temple. Look at this forty five seconds at the bottom. Mary's writing his face now and and socks Ivanka basically setting up the the attack grow of their leader for that day on. Schlick looks like he looks. Yeah how many times he has a few times correct once once or twice and again as we said last couple weeks Belgium course split into two parts the Flanders region and then the lone ranger in which which comes from this. These are his his streets so imagine his his morale in basically the hometown boy. And here. We Go. That's the that's the move that winning moves on shutouts to move that's the that's the patrol and again talking about Rochelle. He looks on a bike looking and each slack. This here's here. He is on the Radio. He just said something on the radio which is probably telling his guys guys common. GimMe Little lead out. Just look at them like the firemen were there is. The later was amazing to the. If you see that in full attack mode ever dropping everybody talking on the radio warning the guys from you to give him a hat. That's that's that's incredible. Well we can ask him about it here in a minute. Look at look at the look at the screen on the right. Look I mean he is absolutely flying at this point? What a year for him. This was this was a bike we had with Stephen Roach and eighty seven. This was this was probably the best year of his career. Yes this a lot. You can see this. It's the same thing of combination of you. Know being smooth on the bike and then an amazing power amazing power that they were on the. You know it's always funny when you have guys that have siblings and forever we race. I'll remember in two thousand five. I believe that actually George Up. It was bobby who told me that you know we. We saw race with Frank. Slack and frank was a contender and a threat to us. And I remember. I think it was to Georgia. We were there and and all of a sudden Franken and his team they bring his brother. The Sky. Andy. Schlick I said. What did the little brother you had to give him? A spot on the team. Just because frank was here and Bobby says now now the the they say he was just new to the Peleton now by all accounts like this kid is is twice as good as his brother and in ended up being true. But you know it's one of those you're like what now about twice as good brank is featured prominently in this rates as well. Invincib- finishing up five or ten but when incredible Partners ordinal brothers said they have. I don't know of in History Cycling. We've seen Brothers bats successful in the sport. He saw an eighty seven. You saw the even though and Mark Medio. Those to walk it's we. Let's yeah they'll show brothers the twins? I'm sorry George I was when I was thinking twice as good I was just thinking about how bad I was going to kick your ass when next time we race. I'm sorry it just it's becoming part of my psyche but sorry y'all go back to what we're watching so here here. We get to the top of that flying. But you know this is. This is accurate there. The King of the mountains but afterwards it goes on a little bit further which is You know when we when we think about the thousand nine eight minutes we will sign. Up is the same spot. So I'm GonNa go almost twenty five seconds back in less than a calendar on their analysis. Money the moment where Gibert arch like Andy Catches up. Believe he actually says to LE-. Let's let's go together. Amendments work together leapt One of the best writers in the world especially in these times raises said he can only hang onto wilbur hundred meters that he yawn. Yeah he's really. Any waiting was informed by the radio by motorbike in. Indiana is through and is going to say come on. Let's go together. You know we go this not for nothing. Speaking of Joe Bear and how he he. These are his home roads. A obviously from Luxembourg is not very far from here either so this is not just similar terrain but and you've seen a few Luxembourg flags on the side of the road. This is this is kind of his backyard to these guys. All know the course really well obviously being from there perhaps a slight advantage but they all all the guys all the top favorites. No all these plans really really well while to this. Is Jason obviously very important to have? He made similar all the Saxo Bank riders on their Position as also Franck Slacken there. At least three or four. Koksal Bach riders. You even did this guy. He Yvonne Yvonne off Saturday Saturday even up to but he is always he always makes these moves like what is he thinking like. You just just like literally like what is going to his mind while he had one goal raise the week before so. I think he's still hasn't done a confidence in trying to get back. I still wonder what he was thinking. Really so smooth look at this executive out on a cruise already dropped as you Barry Without even without even frying really was just another seat. And by the way while we're at it I mean just one of the nicest guys you'll see it when we talked to a second but andy was just he was always so kind and respectful and just a great kid. Really just a cool dude. This is this. Is the last flying. Go silent if you look at the bottom. He has one minute THIRTY SECOND ONE THIRTY FIVE YEAR. You'll see how of strong. Us because in the back is going to be a tax from all all kinds of different riders and on the top. He's only losing fifteen seconds. This is like a one point three kilometer. Climb up the panel going in there. But isn't it yawn? I mean obviously you know you're able to ride it a consistent hard effort yes. The attacks are much much faster. But there's always those moments where the it just slows up there. In fact going a lot slower so on average you know it's it's a net netted a fifteen second loss but still looking at me. I mean he's able to maintain his effort gauges absolutely. But you only thing you have to have in mind is that ninety is already basically wealth thirteen kilometers on his own year. When you get to the bottom you have the fatigue of those you know off the effort to make that and from the back you get the you know. Hussein getting fresh riders me but look look at these facts at the numbers. It's a numbers game too. You can see in this group although it's a big or bigger sized group there's not many of the same team together so it was probably not much cooperation back there behind Andy immediately. You Know Saxo Bank. Is there on the wheel you know? Trying T H he tried. He couldn't he couldn't quite get there. He said up coming back by the way you hit this after. Two hundred forty kilometers. It's at least twelve. Thirteen percent about a kilometer long as a very very painful Beginnings Got Forty Scott Bowen. And the Bee's yeah. What a terrible story. Yeah killed by a driver out on a train ride just a couple of years ago. Almost like George was my genius No I know. Also you have to Bell Evans sitting but look like they're sitting way than you know one of the favorites is GonNa try. Franck snuck is GONNA go see. This is yeah. This is the moment. Not now that gives we see another surge but that moment before there you see you know. He is going faster than them as they were at the time. Now obviously not. But that's how this works if you if you have the stones to go get a minute and a half before the final climb you get to ride your tempos still got to be high But these guys are going to be Kinda Yoyo in a bit and so. That's the Gamble is Fidel and rebelling and Franck readily still racing. Today were already very like all professional thirty five thirty six see how easy. Frank selected on the wheel there. I mean having someone like that on your wheel. Basically have no choice. Whether you're struggling to get back to Andy. You have pride by real sitting there going to help. You can only lose hundred percent of the time about Atlanta. So you've done is raise before talking about how hard that final three kilometer sort of big road stretches to finish. I mean there's this report percent and miss home he here's the thing is it's completely straight and then there's a ninety degree turn of the top and there's the finish if you went and wrote it at the first thirty minutes of your ride you would be like this is the finish. This isn't very hard but as you just said a minute ago after one hundred and fifty miles it feels like outdoors. I mean it's it's a completely you know. Not just one hundred fifty miles but one hundred and fifty miles of intense efforts Attacks the counterattacks. It's very hard and Then again big wide road. It shouldn't be hard if you did it on paper. It's easy but at that point. It's hello heart coming in for the Finnish epic epic way to win it as well well over six and a half hours so when we have fucking but he gets you there in the last who's GonNa come in second and then we go and watch with a big group we will have For third place which is also quite unique for you. See this did not happen in one thousand nine hundred and look at the size of that group. You're on how many guys there. Well you know there's been this. I think there's a piece I mean. If you see that the finish line I think that at least thirty to thirty five riders. I'm just going to say it. I don't like that I like it a lot I raise likely as ought to be manned every man from self coming in one two at a time maybe three at a time. I just I think it ought to be more of a slug fest and I have. I have some ideas on how to fix the situation. No I don't think this day was particularly easy. Even though the group there was fairly big at the end of the these guys are coming in. This is like the cavalry coming around the corner. Here look up big group is. That's too many guys I wanted harder. I want bodies everywhere. Look at his brother. Look at Frank Slack. Cool and Jamie and his other teammate. Quite a few central bankers bide riders of Saxon bumping. Interestingly enough obviously still there screaming for the podium he ended up getting for their bed but after that huge attack with forty gate ago to be election Our top guys with guys. When impresses the day out as well Andy? We just watched the two thousand nine leauge best only as where you completely I mean basically just dominated it looked like different races impressive performance there and George caught you a great scene where you were. You made your your main at your final and been main attack and you were coming through the group in front which you had some teammates and you get on the radio letting them know probably are you can tell us what you said that guys here. I come or what what was said. The tactic that will quite clear. I Yeah I had really comforting today you know. I was absent plan. You know from the beginning. I didn't spend any energy went from you. Know never went in the first came out with the last now at the gates me. You could save a lot of energy to hold the race. Had full of all of the team actually a plan to attack there Madonna. Who was informed but you know the race was long and the coincidence was I think it was the custom. Croon and natural in the phone group but it didn't really do anything for you. Know the guys behind help which was my brother and on who know Tremendous job at. They must first time really. You know we could see. Potentially he pulled over one hundred. Kilometers over of the whole hotpot some from From basically from many Italian in investor until the finish deluded he came back into donated every farther than and it allows pardon. You know the thing about the age that year you know. You're the therese's before where you can. Actually you can analyze your your opponents and you can see you know executive what level. Yeah and the yeah. It was hot list of the of the tree races and hours in one of the shape of my life. What was your. What was your secret sauce that that you can recollect it. You say it's in the best shape of your life. What was the recipe? What what was going on. And what were you doing it just being? Yeah I had. I had a good win. No no injuries. No no no sickness no good training camps and then you know basically I was also really hungry had big win before I can close the year before in a couple of times before it was just missed the podium. Yeah John was always updating the classics. You know that year I'm still. I almost made it. You know I finished. You know the top ten but buddy Colt callback. Then finished second behind. Lebanon's I was kind of you know. Angry pissed off unmotivated at the same time and that combination. If you want to win you bikers. Yeah no doubt that the I mean such a such nominee would say. There's a selection of favorites on on on youth may be it may be. That was note the the usual attack on a sunny. So you basically I think about twenty kilometers on your own which Like the like the an unusual scenario Illinois yet but from the edge. You haven't you know it's only the second time when he did pushing for calm and so it was quite a a new climate and I mean you know it's really fought for my Live you know so so I went up there. You know studied routes a couple of times the befall renton into as well. So am I figured out the down off that will show? Phone was my biggest my biggest scalp because if some some is a team you know all tree write us wait. Organiz behind the catch me back. You know but annuity know that if I go on top of Osho you know with the with the advantage of you know said he said he five forty seconds possibly make it to the bottom to the football stadium and then you know in semi coli. You know everybody. Everybody was cooped than some some energy left like with maintain the Gavin. Even you know a little bit of you know if you have one minute until calls until both the semi colon I mean no other writers they start you know making a plan B you know. What can we do to make second because if you have if you have one minute on top of of Cindy good? That was like my main goal. You know if I make it today. I win the head little bit more. You know so. I was quite confident on the bottom. You know that that I can win. I would win the race on so behind you know. Radio Communication was already quite good so I could hear you know that they were going for the win anymore. Once I you know each one minute then gets basically basically. You're at one minute thirty at the bottom. So basically what you on that on that last line sunny you just. I imagine you just thought okay. I need just manage my efforts or make sure that I don't know that I keep at least one minute at the way that you went on the last line. Let's say I'm actually when I went into sunny. It's tough climb but it's tough climb because you have to fifty in your legs but honestly the real tough climbing which showed you know. It's it's five six seven minutes so if you are you know in the situation with that comfort that I was you know you don't need to maintain the youngest so years you know it's once in a lifetime so basically I went full out. You know I want to will in you know. The minute was not for me at the time that I could say. Okay now I can you know. Maintain Dominion to the top. I just okay. I want to have one one one minute city when one Saudi when I come come to the finish line so the toughest part for me that that day was will show for coined an extra determined the technical downhill. It wasn't technically. It's fast but when you to you guys know turning and you maybe I went sixty five seventy from behind you know easily to treat you can go seventy five eighty and you know then you know you lose time. A new news time very quickly. There was the biggest ended flat out between you know after dominate from Russia. For Call. Until the bottom of off off of Sonny number. Because it's still you know a nine kilometers wide roads and can be open as well so But once I hit the Sunday Kuna was for me. You know you go on in and try to increase your Gavin and make it to the finish. Eddie Georgia good to see you again. It's been a few months last time we're hanging out in Shanghai to December. What's different world at that point zones? I'm glad to see you're still doing well. When you attack there on rotated Belkins. You said that the week before he had gotten caught coming into close innocence goal. Did you have any doubt in your mind one? Did you want somebody to go with you? You saw accelerate and you kinda slow down got into as turned around. Were you hoping that somebody will go with you or your all in no doubt. Let's go and she would have no. I want to go alone and I knew that there was one Guy Independent on. Who had the next to me because like I mentioned before you know you have to raises for your C repairs we ride. Sec disable the shave. The guys actually sounds arrogant. But I knew you know that there's one guy who can follow me at having 'em and you know when I couldn't see him in my wheel and I heard the team that you know he was still looking behind the at different will be follow. I said you know this is really good. This is really would tend to play in. You know I gotta go all in now and I mean I was still a Phillips on. Deputy was out there for a long time so I had no attention to to take him with me. Because I know anew already know if I'd take him to SAMUELA IS MEAL Belgian friendly. You know he can develop something out of nothing Even his cooked so meanwhile scale now going as we try to drop immediately and then tried on my own but somewhere deep down. I knew That year was could stay with me and discipline Andy. The A I think George said he spoke to Gilberto and And by the way that means you'll bear is Gilbert. He's not a pentacle is a real bike rider. And he told George that when you came by he he could only get to actually manage was about one hundred meters on the wheel and that was that was it. Yeah I mean he was already a big champion. At that time you know what shape of cyclists they go up and down and he was. I mean if you go one year Les Diana was different story in maybe year before was different story but actually it was not the not only stop and I also feeding. It's his it's Tom. We raised three towns so every year it years before did kind of the same mistakes you know. He he to to show that these Dan he went. He had texting these hometown. Voice's local fans in public and went on the already on the do but clearly it's not you know ninety nine hundred eighty five anymore that you can win if you're going on so Kelly twenty and maybe also he was in the best shape of his time offset and the a little bit is eleven years ago thirty years ago since the retired also our doing right now. What what we know. What's what's up. Who SAYS EXACTLY? That's what I was going small business. Which is a bike shop Cutting back I love my office day. So I'm chairman of Luxembourg as well since two years or tried to now we recently Wendy to Into the pro series funded year actually have team signed off so Besides that I host events I do some events we IMG and also Do some let's say I mean. A company wide to some private equity recently became lead be more than a pothole debt and for the rest. I mean To keep keep happy at simplicity dates. Oh happy birthday. Yeah and not arrest. I'm lucky I'm I do somewhere for Skoda and defense in some other which is more like P. Our in house to explain races in a my host top the appeal them and yeah. I tried to stay close to the community is still you know love cycling more than I ever did before and try to make a good living all those different things. What do you think's going to happen? Look I mean these. Are these are unprecedented times? We all know that we talked about it every week. On this show We're all The frustrated the naturally like all of us that that That that everything's been put on hold it's for the obvious and best reasons But what if how do you think if you look towards you know? There's there's they've rescheduled the tour. They've rescheduled this classics. That we're now watching old versions of what do you think if you had to predict is going to happen? Do you think we see. Let me just make it? Real simple and clear. Do you think we'll see professional cycling in twenty twenty or or not honestly I don't think so I don't think so I think the most deify refunds you've all of our economy and I don't see a to the France going through you know if I am Numb Leon French Basically meets us from when sitting here. It's older you know. And and now I see what's going on there and see you know two kilometers from here you know Hospital can't take people and people are dying because they can take a taking care of so and you know it's still far away in September August September. But you know come on you know people can go out on the street now And you know we have to wear masks. You know ran publio if we can go closer to me the suit to each other. I can't see how to defense can happen and saying that. I'm you know I don't know how they come with me. Cycling IS GONNA is GonNa be you know in twenty one if we don't have to defense because Katie sponsor sponsor sponsor team. You know put money into team to be on the TV into the front. So Mon tap which. I don't believe that it happens. I believe twenty twenty one. We have really we bet yet. You don't fall for pro cycling for the future of all of you know so I don't see bright the future for now but Yeah I unfortunately thank. You might be Closer to the right answer than the wrong answer and look with a sport And again something. We talk about a lot you know. This is not a the base of this economic base and the structural base of professional cycling is not the roots are not strong. It's it's it's inherently weak Just from It's it's it's one hundred years of being built on much and so yeah we could be facing. I mean there's some talk that there's really two or three maybe four teams that could survive this without a tour. And so now it's it's what we Obviously in France you know it's not going to be up to ASO IS NOT GONNA be up to the teams of the writer. It's going to be up to the president up to the sports minister. There's already talk. You hear from Sports Minister in France that That sports is not a priority. And so that right there tells you wh- where their head lies. And so but gosh I mean it would be a It is what it is right. I was looking things like this is beyond your control. Our control and it just is what it is My belief is you have to take the health and wellbeing of the public as the priority despite the bad news for cycling clearly But I S C different Would to the friends. I mean you know this is I believe To the friends. No it's it's it's the trio cycling Racist WILL WILL FADE BEHIND. Because a lot of you not endorsement deals all sponsors. You know the older to France. A parallel universe To France as a punishable has as a main sponsor a school. well Now to to of Luxembourg Talk Germany at Olin you know so we do. You know the the trio of total France I believe Senior within the two of the will also disappear Other races and smaller the same goes we the teams you know So I still hope for cycling and that the defense will have somehow appearance in two thousand twenty. No it might be a week. It might be some difference. I mean Other options the. I don't believe that East cycling all is an option is an alternative but I hope for the sake of citing that The defense still be have some visibility for teams owns us but on the other hand I also see no. It's maybe time that psyching no can take different phrases and other racist maybe more prioritize in the future that is just all about the to the France and we said at the top of the show. Talk it's we were. We referred to it as a reset. Is this an opportunity for people at home to reset their lives? Their families lives but is it an opportunity for cycling to hit the big reset button. I Yeah I think it'd be casualties. Would it be kind of DC all? That's we don't want to end on that. Let's end on something. How's your brother doing what frank up to? I always liked that dude He's good he's he's writing more than me George is my witness he's basically to Keno skin was wide and he was in top shape. He writes every day. Actually just like a busy man. You know he ever be it now because he said until the confinement I'm GonNa that might be grow. He challenged me. Oh Man I don't go with it I I hate it so are are you. Are you seeing some similarities here? Yeah I see someone on the I mean between. Let's just pretend okay. You have a real brother. Let's pretend Georgia's my brother okay. I'm George your brother has a beard. George has a beard George. Rides like he wrote he trains like he did as a professional sodas. Your brother he's two kilos lighter a your your your brother probably has fans who call you fat. Georgia's fans call me fat. And so it's I'm starting to see a theme here and come with me okay. Because I've decided six weeks ago. Andy I said. Fuck this okay. Fuck this if George and his fans call me fat. I said I'm coming a look at me man. I'm coming back. I'm I'm telling you okay. So don't brother in a roundabout way the nicest thing you've ever said to me. He called me. Your brother Love you too man I will I will I. I will not hesitate. I don't know about you andy. I mean he's your Big Brother. So maybe it's different. I never had a brother but I won't hesitate to put the beat down on my brother. I promise you that which you know actually. I'm a lot stronger than him. You know I'm just a little Shannon was gone looks strong. You know the most important is. I'm looks mother. This is Andy. This is again. This theme is so consistent stronger. Smarter all of these things now. No beard you are me. I am you dude. This has been the best part of my day so far expecting you know anti tell him you know you might beat my beat my bike but if we get into a real fire you have no chance man. Thanks for coming on. It's been great. Thank you for having me. Good luck. Good luck chasing those two little kids around the garden. It's my I will go now. Then we stayed the garden that we have a good spring Luxembourg enough spring like never before we have forty five degrees and some perfect. Thanks Buddy are I. Will that concludes what I guess. Is this unless somebody's unless I've completely fallen hit my head this. This concludes our spring campaign. Season here talking about epic vintages that we liked interesting. Andy's take on. He referred to it as e side going. We're seeing more and more and and I'll just be honest We we at the move and the team that we do have looked at this would do if this. Peleton is forced to essentially stay at home not traveling race and and raise on TV etc race on the open roads you know do they race on some sort of a virtual format. It is something that we've looked at In terms of covering not just on the men's side but the women's side and so. I'm intrigued by this. I everybody knows I'm an outdoor kiddie. Kiddie don't stay inside but In Times like this we gotta gotta find stuff to do and so it's compelling I'm not gonNA I'm not gonNA throw it out just yet. It's not the same as writing outside. But it's IT'S NERVE. The formats had the platform to have our About as real as you can get and you can get some legit work some training in as well. We were talking about earlier if they do have in fact a clear goal where they get a month or two window where they know they're gonNA raise is going to be able to do their work indoors or outdoors and they'll get it done. I think I think that's true jobs. But you know in terms of racing and I think the results of the few races that therapist going on show a theory. You know you cannot go. It's not comfortable. It will never be compared with because he gets down to pure power dynamics obliquely out of the question. When you have these powerful powerful guys they can go up recline. They can climb so it's not like you need to be light the unique if you look for example if I've seen recco even for for no real nobody Question is followed these in his silence. He's just he's nowhere because he is unable to develop our against is like phenomenal. He needs to. He needs to adjust his weight when he does on a setting senior. Instead of saying he needs to doubt efficiency in the Peleton is probably fifty percent of what you have left at the end of the race and clearly. Don't you do not have that factor on racing? Well said well said well time will tell. I mean that's We'll be here to cover covered. Whatever it is I mean our fingers crossed for some live action but if the power is say that's not gonNA happen this year. We'll have to we'll adjust so maybe you should listen to some suggestions off Listeners know maybe you could send not sending a suggestions of what what will get to see. Yeah listen we're just here. We can do shows twenty four hours a day because Johan doesn't sleep we don't care he doesn't care nobody cares. We'll do this shit anytime. Y'All want to send it in an era. Jv On the move it. We do DOT team suggestions and everybody be will be safe be healthy and if you look around and there's a reset button.

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The A-Side Live Chat | UFC Shenzhen Preview, Jon Jones At Heavyweight, Henry Cejudo's Next Opponent, Anthony Johnson's Return, Jon Aldo To Bantamweight, More

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The A-Side Live Chat | UFC Shenzhen Preview, Jon Jones At Heavyweight, Henry Cejudo's Next Opponent, Anthony Johnson's Return, Jon Aldo To Bantamweight, More

"You're listening to the box medium long as network alexander k-league a lot. Not a lot of stuff happened a little while. There is stop happening for this no fights u._f._c. fighter shade. There were some pretty excellent belt or fights by excellent belt. <unk> are might you pettersen. It was the most violent night in anime history but i'm sure we're going to have comments about that about that. You might even have ranted sue about that. No azinger kiwis license rants so we're gonna jump over to the questions as always oil audience okay on the audios terrible. I'm still getting comments about the audio. I apologize daughter. How big's the audio cool anyway r._o._t._c. seeing a check the levels over modulated perhaps is is that better someone in the comments section the no because i don't come out his might fall. I literally lower adjusted lewer trying to everything live. I'm involved. I'm trying. I apologize anyway. Doll you can make fun of me domain fun alex everyone confront best. I can even put sound dampered round side. Make it less echoey anyway. We'll try and get questions. You can yell at me if the audio levels are bad. I have the skin anyway glass jeans. Now we can actually start questions from hefei a one alice. John jones a heavyweight. I'm reading these off of this handy ipad. I have to read question. Specifically there have been discussions of john does a heavyweight versus steep. It is john jones height and reach <unk> completely different from the last two d._c. Fights jones in d._c. Off forever lynch but they are completely different fighters in my opinion will fight supply out completely different jones's height and reach allows for a fight at distance also makes changing allows more difficult to wrestle thought so yes john jones has said i was there even at usa institute thirty nine someone asked him. Would you be willing to fight the winner of <unk> versus. This lean now know that is stephen notes of what the storyline will d._c. Was there. There's not really a storyline with stevie meals. It's outside of john. Joe's going up the heavyweight which i believe is a story in and of itself just because he was sneezing so unwilling to go up up to heavyweight for so long outside of the corner of the brock listeners this and that but what are your thoughts on this whole john jones moving up a and b now fighting c._p._a. One before the storyline now storylines not him challenging dan mccormick for his title the title now it's john j-o-h-n for st bay your thoughts my a little bit. How are you doing god this audio disagree on me as you gary. I am old people making me in congress. I turn to live out but anyway. <hes> let me say john johnson who i know. It's never going to go away us. Look at the guy. It seems like a good fit for him right. He's never had shelving till five. I think that's the main reason why it's not like you know. You don't have everyone calling for nonstop. <unk> isn't treating thing but i don't see he will necessarily saying all of john. Giles never goes heavyweight than <unk> all answer questions about his legacy. It's like lucky makes two five. I have never had difficulty. He's the greatest to abide by ever bye bye bye. Margin aso headway move will be cool but i don't know if he himself ever thinks like oh. I have to do it. John jones says yes to anything specifically this debate matchup yeah the question was kind of strange <hes> kind of self yeah it would totally be different fight than <unk> st bay. Just i don't think other than the ball stop recipes in overall greet. Fighters aren't a lot of physical similarities between john. Jones ended down cordray and that's that's my expert in the may analysis. They're physically. They're very different. I john jones if you're asking you know who i think win fight. John jones d budget. I john john pretty much against anybody on the planet. I think he's he's just he's just the best. You know regardless of how you feel i feel about the you know. The failed drug tests the pulsing ins but as far as the cage product goes what shows up what we see on fight night. There's just no one better john jobs. Announced bay is awesome. I picked wrong. I thought i thought it was gonna be against a standing he. He's he's accused classic. Ask heavyweight regret grade. Bungee power is just a john. Jones soda hit on safety because i'm not saying <unk> galazi <unk> out cle- coupla judge <unk> balance you froze alex's further plus a boy girl. There's always something on wayside alexander. Kayla is no more anyway. All say might be legal alex. I can't hear you completely frozen. You dropped out you this. The wonders of live shows the wonders of livestream where audio levels are terrible the the your connection is bad. Mike connects is probably bad great. This is awesome. I love live shows but also might not where i see you. You're very zoomed in grainy in what has happened. What are you doing. People can see man. Oh my god. The one is a live show. This is why this is what sean i know amid funding in the past. Few live shows ipod august. Is this nuts anyway absolute you all to know that he's having our problems but i think you can see what he's writing to me so that's that so. I apologize for what's happening right now. Allergies connection is bad. You can clearly see now frozen but daniel communists. It's all talk about about this because this is an animation all about bad internet connections in poor audio this again kind of my nightmare <hes> but st bay versus john jones. I don't think john jones go to anytime soon. We saw what he did when he was a little when it came to fight opens improve he was he was got super into. What was it powerless. In in any kinky you remember those visuals him on instagram just just stand there posing flexing showing off his new new muscles so to say and we saw aw he looks like when he fought ov- insane prove he was sluggish. It wasn't the best forms yes <unk> chain. When ovid's impro- was was slotted in at the last minute. What is house back alex is you can see what he's writing so again. I apologize is everyone. This is not how i envisioned might tenure as the a side owes would go constant audio in concentrating problem but honestly if you're good with technology gee. I thought i was good with technology. Clearly i am not if anyone has a solution blend me now because this is kind of embarrassing at some point but anyway john jones stephen roach 'cause that's over talking about <hes> we saw what he looks like against <unk> through wasn't the best performance of his life and and people will point to that saying maybe he was quoting for off the sauce for that fight in his next against apartment was scheduled for u._f._c. Two hundred in that office was built by. I don't know if that's the case at all. I just know that's what a lot of people though a lot of the comments. I've seen a lot of fans. Come up to me a lot of when i asked him. What did you make. John's ios performance against <unk> improved looked like he had been caught doing something and this was his first fight without that. I don't know i have no idea alex doc second here you. I can't see i'm back. I'm back. I we can't see you man. I i had a bareheaded very fixable network problem. <hes> i assure you that will not happen again. That was that was. This is awesome random. Yes that was not a random network era. That was <hes> that was a very fixable problem. <hes> <hes> oversight on my part. We're all good now. Alex were back. Are you back. You're going to drop out again. My heart can't taste all these all listeners viewers. I will be fine from our this is great. This is just wonders of live television. Apologies to shine offers the market apologies to lou former former host of this show who <unk> network fix your heart is because one is of a live show but let's get back to the question of questions <unk> about john jones db millages millages. I've talked about it. We're gonna move on so who oversees dominant cruise by herself from l. f. n._w._e._a. How do you guys feel about triple c. Aversion to address the flyweight division shansu behold and will not address dane statements saying that jobe wan kanobi is the next fight to make force of who'd also jobe jobe wan kanobi is of course go spend beat us who is the rightful <unk> aren't flying five pound title. He's called on dominick cruz. He's called frankie. Edgar is called out your favor callao balancing <unk> janko but he's not said joseph benedetto's name. What do you make of trippy enersen bhutto's of as alfred l. our friend elephant w. I said what do you make of his aversion to actually say joseph. Benefit is his name. You know it's not just just gonna it's time for the flyweight title right now but he also you know the whole karla faye <unk> he'd also just not acknowledging the rest of like like what is a really competitive bantaweight top ten. It's very frustrating. I know banning all he'll think <unk> while i get it. I get the chris duda gimmick now now. It's funny to a degree. It's it's certainly i think in his mind. He believes it's more interesting than being you know all. I'm the champ. I'll fight ice. Wanna fight the best in you know. It doesn't work for everyone. It didn't work for me johnson. Let's be honest. Readers johnson still probably the greatest one twenty five or of all time and he had that attitude yet attitude to unprofessional lineup wherever it is john moraga chris cario. I don't care the name. I'm the champ you put the name out there. I signed the contract in where it did. Work resort saint-pierre dorsey appears anomaly like to this day. We still don't quite know how to replicate that that dorsey pierre magic as it were. I mean it. Did you have see we'll be all over that so in some way i just cannot blame pseudo for these weird these weird callouts and just like you said straight up not even like saying oh guys like a beat aren't worthy or not even like a trash talking just ignoring them also they don't exist and then the rest of the band tweeted regions while so for the first question. I actually am kind of down with us. A hudo dominant crucified. I still think cruise when healthy you know is is the one of the three best bent in in the world but healthy cruise is a might be a mythical creature at this point. We don't outs <hes> the the joseph fight. I mean if he does take a fine at one twenty five. That's the fight it has to happen. I think he knows that. I think he's kind of just jerking around. It's a little bit of the tyron woodley thing recall that a bunch of other people or when the names came came whether it be dan taylor whoever he still or deeming east at the fights. I think it will be the same way <hes> p._c. Are cobra pizza carol brian excellent point last sleep which i really hadn't considered. Is that triple see. His nickname is a brand at this point. He can't be triple see if he gets the flyweight title taken away from him he kinda backed himself into a corner where daylight says defend or vacate or stripped if dante takes energy who goes away for unwillingness to drop back down harmful five pounds in challenge joseph benefit us. He's not triple seasonable. I had not considered that but it's it's it's accurate so he's i. I would imagine engineer. Joseph benefit is next personally. I will be dominant coups fight frankie frankie eggers. I fight at one thirty five. That's a very big name. Both of them have historically some of the best fort worth in u._s. History gamay history <hes> there are two of the greatest champions or fighters in <unk> in the history of martial arts. I mean they were. They were some of the fighters onstage on stage that like champion summit where they had all the champions on stage together. It was like cain john jones anderson silva. Your saint-pierre was up. There like frank yeager dominick cruz the right up there like whitman at the time and dominick cruz was the reigning champion for your friend gig at the town's lightweight champion <hes> went right after he deep <unk> b._j. Penn so i love see that fire like sitting up when looking at that picture they didn't look at much bigger than like frank eight hundred fifty five it down. Crews was one hundred thirty five pound champion. They weren't that much different in size so i've been asked that fight for a long time i would love to see that fight <hes> right. There was obviously not by dominick cruz again again. The already bought frankie edgar favorite. I dunno ousmane sterling because evaldas <unk> your favorite vice versa. There's a number of into right there. I just wanna frank acre fight dominick cruz. I just think that's extremely high level. Martial arts fight day titled allegations out as i say that a bit i liked that five of these fun fight any other things. You want say what you what you argue. You're gonna argue. You don't wanna watch eggers dominick cruz. I would love to see frank grad. Dominick cruz is listed conquests so for sure. I'm not gonna argue well. You were very high on the frank yeager train when we were together in a little bit the copan alan iverson. I made allen iverson. I may have also predicted and it's on the site so it's on record. I may pretty good that he was going to beat vacs holloway. May have these are all. They may have happened. I'm not saying that happened there. Just may be a record of it that people could easily boucle and speaking of champions who will fight next may not mac's always used to be that kind of guy whether <unk> differences there is no country behind your saint-pierre. I'm still getting things about audio. I'm trying my best guys. I'm really my best way. What do you mean yes do. Countries <unk>. He's got he's got to cut out. Yeah code that for you. He's got he's got the nation of alive on a combination combination and then also a he's got. Can't we loved her auto. We love back solloway so we're leaving. You know he's from hawaii. We claim max holloway so i mean he's representing. A lot of people is the canadian anime apparently walking seem to take issue with that maybe he can you know become the next. What how long have you guys look for the next year ever since the birth of the scene but we're gonna move right along another pledge from alabama aa alex. I know you have thoughts about this on the turn right so you thoughts and speculation on yunessi paint twenty percent of revenue to fighters honestly the age was way the age of way higher than i imagined but still lower than we seve most professional sports organizations rival organization spelled for forty four percent in strike for sixty three percent can these numbers and this exploited the catalyst for fires union or is it that or is it that really just wish or is that just wishful thinking and more of the same and again pas audit on still seeing that i'm really trying yeah. My best olives floor is yours. I s i know before we went on air. You really wanna talk about this. I'll try and fix audio issues logging yet. Look it's a anoc random. Financial expert at we story are <unk> meltzer store at amid fighting also. Please make sure i've seen people for more comprehensive. Look at this whole thing that's going on because this all stemmed from nisa antitrust lawsuit definitely coverage on buddy elbow on forbes. I think the atlantic didn't article so <unk> one of those situations where i haven't opinion but i don't wanna tell you well okay. This is my opinion what you should think read as much about this topic. Is you can't informed. It's it's it's it's really complicated and also it's also it. It is very could be very impactful on the future of this sport. Hopefully we don't know could end up being status quo if you know things handle certain way but twenty percent of revenue going to fighters <unk> so l. <unk> some people when hugh that super low and the <unk> lfm that we actually said it sounded high i i would love to see. I don't know if you'll remember <unk> today. While of their revenue i think they were taking like ninety percents of their revenue fighters which is probably why they only lasted two the of but <hes> i guess they thought to get a big return on that. That didn't workouts so this. Is you know that this this is how the u._c. Runs business are twenty percents of revenue <hes> you know. I don't think it's a lot especially when you broke it down. How much of that percentage is going to you know a certain. A certain small cluster of fighters lighters right like is that county to the opera top guys and then how many are getting the rest so again i. I don't want to speculate too much and all the details. I'm not an expert but i will say this. What what bothers me is when people say. I don't care about this stuff. I don't care what business i don't care. How much guys are making. It's not me it's not my paycheck. It's like they. They know they know what they signed up for. If you didn't like it don't sign a contract with the truth that that's why when you're saying you don't care here would fighters repaid sorry. I'm getting emotional when you say you don't care where fighters or paid what you're saying is that you don't care about in the best athletes leads involved in <unk>. That's fine if that if that's the case if you like the athletes that are in there. I respectfully but i do think the m._a. Does not necessarily get the high level athletes that course of going to sports like football basketball because that's where the best athletes going. We glimpses of it. You know we talk about john jones all the time john john jones if you just look at this frame would have been probably a at least a freshly athlete at the highest levels of almost any sport depending depending what started development down a different path. Look at this look at his brothers. They both went on to play pro football. We want more. John jones's again. Ignore the charac- stuff ignore whether you think he's a cheater would have have you performance wise athletically. We want more john jones. We want john john at every in every weight class. We want better athletes so if you want to see the u._f._c. <unk> motions getting the best athletes in the sport someday like i always say twenty years from now will look so much better than it does now now you know i think they'll be guys will be way better than john jones twenty thirty years from now. If you want to see that then you should care guys are paid because right now there is just not that incentive for the most high level talented athletes to get into a you know you get gaza john <unk> conor mcgregor rhonda rows you get good at least george saint-pierre tsk but they should be so few and far between you should be seeing so much of that and again until you start carrying <hes> and it's by the way most of his fighters not the fans until the fighters dot carrying as well and stadium selves than than all these reports revenue producing. It's not gonna matter because nothing nothing will change so my my. I'm just releasing walkable care <hes> and if you don't you don't but i want you to understand. Why people do you hit it on the head. This is one on the biggest stories we've had an enemy. A long time outside of actual fights being made or like the drug testing and everything like this is a story that has been developing for quite some time and it's now kind of all coming to ahead at this point now that these documents are coming. I remember reading about it in in two thousand twelve thirteen when this is all really starting and it seems like i don't know if you've ever followed cases like this. It's always like a long drawn out the process from both sides because not just go to court figuring this out. It's like there's why they caught what was one of the people there and twelve attorneys u._f._c. have like eight eight or nine so it's like these big gatherings of attorneys have to go through paid work pay for a border figure out all this stuff with a judge and everything it's not as simple as going for you'll do not guilty. I could twelve thousand thirteen. I remember hearing about all this in being like latte is seen so far down the road to find out any information economy the back of my mind but now that is now it is in the forefront now so it's like all of these thoughts of two thousand twelve thirteen are now all coming back because now we're getting the the information that we've been waiting on that. We've heard about that. We've been ruined. I was at dana white's scrum yesterday. <hes> for at the contender series in someone asked soon like what do you make of the antitrust. This was basically like he knows nothing about it. He pays people to worry about it so he doesn't have to worry about it yeah. I don't know if that's that accurate because i don't know dana white on that level but i'm sure if the company is the president of is going through an antitrust lawsuit opening the center thing. I'm confident he knows more than he's letting on by. Obviously don't know how much you know so they always answer yesterday was very telling when he was like i don't know likes. I don't wanna say anything though like that. I don't i don't know any of the on still sifting through about what he elbow has been the go-to source that our own dave meltzer lerone excellent piece on it for 'em finding dot com yeah like basically stay tuned because there's akbulut every week we're going to be doing the a side is going to be more more more and more information. I remember dany cigar was a coal mine sue weeks ago. We got another question about this and danny said something so similar to what you said and it's gonna be more and more point so pretty much comeback next week to the assad because we're gonna talk about this. More is not going away. Answer anticipates elephant <unk> the direct question. The end was ken. These numbers exposure the cash for players union lunch <hes> i would have said the robot deal should have been a catalyst for others union. I would have said that you sought out the implemented without the input of any of the fighters <unk>. I would've said frantic spearhead would have been executives for quite as union so yeah. I think there should be a callous providers. Union will heal it. Actually i don't bet on it. I'm not only my birth. I mean we saw what some some of the biggest names in <unk> may stand up on stage to congress follows <unk> dillashaw cowboy sarah liam watson candy. Was there like these are not not these guidelines came last <unk> at the time was the greatest heavyweight <unk> may fight zita dillashaw before his asada situation was one of the bandwidth so it's not like there's an opportunity to launch u._f._c. fighter unions because they had big names names. It just didn't happen so whether this is the this is how it happens or not not holding my breath because like you said there had been opportunities for five years images come together. I was able to bring that. Remember did like within twelve hours of that news. Breaking stocks roney was like oh. I didn't know that was later. In the oh i was i was i was onstage before i did and then people bring it up in their dislike all yet house <unk> remember that that was weird that was weird. That is a moment in time that will never be forgotten for strain reasons but any organ move on 'cause we again. We're gonna talk about his next week in the next week next week. I'm sure cigarettes will ensure uncle. Dave meltzer will do but we're going to move on hi daniel amanda we get to tell everyone about the new pod eaters digesters digest that is right are brand. New podcast is available now. 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Johnson all-star gained passively scientists will not in the pool yet i think he said he planned on getting back into the pool. I'm sure he'd pants not like you see looks like the eight anthony johnson like the older dots like you see him. Standing on stage at the bare knuckle boxing arts of jumped up to confront polly rumble johnson was the bodyguard type people standing behind them in egypt is literally grabbed arts on the one on was holding holding in that so anthony johnson knoxville also fought it anyway for he's fought andre <unk>. I believe that in world series of fighting. I'm not quite sure down to the flight data thousand fighter anyone else how's the fight <hes> under las didn't have gloves big enough for him. World series <unk> gloves big enough for andrea lawsuits so they had to get u._f._c. gloves in sharpy over because the glove worlds by brandon big enough rounder lost. I believe valves aslam. We broke his nose but <hes> investors donald says i'm sure it's not like really had any history with that before unless you got into it like now like announce guidance zoo something extracurricular extracurricular outside of fighting but he has to get back <unk> anyway. We want to fight <hes>. I love seeing by heavyweight fights. I also veteran why not they used to be teammates. Black zillions inst- <unk>. I'm sure it wasn't on the best terms so andy johnson verses also. I know everyone wants to do by. France's donald francis has gone pfeiffer title john jones of heavyweight. Why not don't wanna see third din cornered by. We don't lactose so also ouster over. I know <unk> bygones. Will harris would still lose why not now that. They have the title again l. e. over getting another trial fi anytime soon barring another string of wins which i'm sure he could it's deep as in his francis dana cormick triangle right now but al your thoughts on anthony johnson returned to annex question this little strange. I don't think mckee's i i mean i know he's always had an impressive zeke but i don't know if he's ever been under suspicion of of a certainly not now unless unless you know you thought as you know unless creepy is now the prohibited trustee so big now <hes>. It's good to laugh so i think <hes>. I don't think the thing is a problem. Would you be like same by. I think everyone would <hes> he's just always been even at light heavyweight. You look at the guy that's a to to hybrid like this guy. This guy is ridiculous. You mentioned over rain. I believe <hes> rumbles manager. We have does also <hes> spokes being the at the end said over and was one option guy looking for junior does santos that'd be kinda interesting test but it might give you shades like rumbled johnston and a little dog if you'll remember that which was just like nasty <hes> i think maybe junior might bear better than that but it does seem like a major speed issue <hes> and atman that rumble when he when he gets into fighting shape he is real scary. <hes> john jones versus somewhere down the road rumble has said in the past that not want wet you know when he's talked about finding heavyweight he would love to do so especially if john john would come in meet them they're kind of said the being though it doesn't seem like jon on jones's ever necessary to make that move so i don't think rumble whatever chop down well i should say that but it it would it would definitely take a lot more commitment and a guarantee of john jones fight for rumble rumble job down to about so i. I don't think that fight that you'll see. Is that invested anymore. A note was looked wants to then was cancelled for you know for john jones reasons <hes> but i think that this ship was kinda. <unk> rumble 'cause back is the same kind of absolute monster that he was before. I hate to say we don't see john jones rumble well. It would be very intrigued by over in thinking is likely <hes> but i think even a elliott dossiers gesture of gino santos is possible if junior pronouncing that all put a name out there <hes> simply because a would be a fun fight in b. I guarantee you. He would want this fight based on history with pasa pons as you know anthony. Anthony johnson has avoided jail time for that misdemeanor for domestic domestic <unk> domestic battery charge. Yes he avoids jail time time with that but he his name attached to domestic battery. Why wouldn't derek lewis wants to fight him. There loses historically been a guy that even if you are proven innocent or there's no like or your cleared or there's no evidence or whatever if your name is tied to that derek lewis said he'd fight. You didn't would travis brown he'd bought him. A heavyweight fight knocked him out in. We saw that happened on derek. Lewis has had like obviously he has the history with his mother and everything i want to speak for him but <hes> why wouldn't derek lewis want that fight i have maybe he won't doesn't want that fight. I i don't and while i i'm just i'm basing my. I'm basing my words off of what you said in paso also. I just think that fight is crazy in those guys are just not going to <hes> you mentioned the charges another question and i'm not gonna love this but <hes> considering the recent battery charge charge again. I know he's not might not so jail time and also had a previous similar says. Why would you wanna bring him back. I'm sorry i just you know again with all respect. Everyone's rights to have redemption living again and the other circumstances crimes are what they are but this is a very recent charge you know i just i just don't know why the u._c. Driven to to to bring him back. I know that he's always had a relationship company of elliott chelsea manager. You know he's has greatly. You'll see obviously but just just just maybe just don't maybe just wait. Maybe i don't know we'll actually i don't because i think there's a question later. That might kind relate to this so i'll just say. Maybe you just think about this before. Necessarily bring him back with the wheels are in motion. What are you gonna do also <unk> dana white. I i asked anyway dude like pointblank lake any having spoken anthony johnson. He didn't even know anthony johnson planet comeback like after he said he goes. When's the last time you bought. I dunno like dana white. I didn't even know about this. He says he didn't know but that whether he whether you sound tooth not <unk> bandana lots fight with mothers lifeline match the headway but moving on from trump go on the site also if you wanna ask wasn't what am i find dot com find the post this i leave your questions there or you can use hashtag we as side on twitter and we'll get to <hes> josie al bantamweight if huge if this is them jif although can act. I'm doing air quotes. People wrote listening if al can actually make my head already people listening but go on <hes> if alba can actually make his way safely without killing himself our juicy <unk> gone at takedown fence strengthen seems like on paper. That's pretty easy fiber. Although a lot of top bantamweights now are what top featherweights were five five years ago russell boxers like frank each other lamas also although screws with the amazing don't go personally. I'd still prefer goto lightweight and said yes. You should go to light way. You should go to lightweight dolly within about going to battle it. I don't want does aldo doesn't happen. He looks like he's on death's door. He cuts federal. You want to you take. He's gonna go to vanson that easily. I don't think that's happening anytime soon. Leading even saw his former teammate hanan barral was on was was one step through death's door when he'd cut down to bantamweight in some way so now. I don't wanna see joe's aldo van wait. My god josie aldo vs diamond cousy a firefight <hes> so yeah when recent anything can happen at one forty five. Why does that need vital. Even needs entertained the thought of one this is i listen i i am sure that all cannot make one thirty five as shannon sharpe was that nick diaz could not return to me. I art with <unk>. Guess what since shannon sharpe said that if anyone was post mcgregor that i don't know why they were <unk> talking about the o. c. Watch idolize mcgregor. He has <hes> he's he went. He went off on how nate diaz can't make won't be five and then the time. I thought it was over digital because he made it so many times is clear but i mean technically he hasn't fought. It went fifty five cents so the who's a who's right who's really the expert shannon sharper us jose. Let's let's look at it but i am just competence that just cannot make one thirty five live safely or without ruining. There's just no way he could start himself do it but like in the way that we think you know objective way cutting into whatever that that means no now stop this is this is right up there with pseudo. He's just he's bored. He's ordered is in between fights. It makes for good sound. Bite is probably our faults. The asked for this crap okay this kind of close that we like so we can create story out of it or talk about it on some on some stupid you know online streaming question answering shell dell for example being medically so no it's it's. I don't think it's going to happen and <hes> just yet one forty by or someday. It's just tribal by just to us. There's a lot of fights. I would love to see josie album at one fifty. Five madman hasn't aldo verses his life just engaging aldo verses and the pedestals <unk> find one forty five back in the day. I believe it was usually one sixty three. They are supposed spy and obviously had his fell out during zombie stepped up so pimm verse patasse's there although versus fill in the boy a watch. I'll watch those out by any about five thirty five. I don't wanna see you die making that way. He saw like now people nowadays like argument the way healthy member t digital scholz <unk>. He's like i can make twenty five easy. Stop asking about the way cut in. We saw ads attorney e._p._l. To make it down his energy levels where were the the waco was harder than i saw on a really crept up on but we're gonna yeah don't go josie aldo spot dog lumber five <hes> doc here we go more questioning gordon baum from offering load of it because i didn't realize it's ten forty two or false. Let's keep them short. Alice's got a million the pulse <unk> fight this year else me too. I bet it fights in early twenty twenty. Though henderson who does next fight will be at men's flyweight true true. I will say i will say true simply because he needs needs that segment belts do drippy if he didn't climb the triple c. Phrase in become is brian. I guarantee you he would've wanted it and he'd be fighting like your favor donna groups on for or one thirty five josie elbows next it will be a one thirty five moving on balls. Dan white already shot that down house. Main sterling's next flight will be the interim title title nana. I'm just trying to think of what show is like. They might be desperate to like to make a headliner for they should be okay komo. Maybe it could be something next year but i think the rest of the year. This should be all right so no. I don't that false yeah. I'm gonna say false too. I bet he'd fight someone like i know he's love with dana martin saying that he could see himself. I'm peter yarn for the title next but i think there's now this new inflection influx of thirty five hours that there might be awesome. Some more opportunities outside of that may be in versus again him versus favor amass or garden fired a new york. Guy favored obviously likes playing california but i'm i'm sure everyone wants to find masks regard unless you're a mazda and you absolutely eight the new york athletic offers lineman is a terrible fighting new york <hes> so i bet i think favors <unk> by again in the winner of that should probably be number contender anyway but <hes> rob whitaker finishes israel sonya <hes> also because israel is going to win so i don't really see that. Obviously that's not possible. The curse of alexander <unk> might continue on for fighters. I remember are all hall. Oh sorry sorry upper whitaker. I like i it's just i don't know 'cause i. I am now fully. I think i think because i have this tendency with athletes in any sport when i doubt them for so long tom and then they proved me wrong. I was actually very late outside your bank and i was crushing and when they prove me wrong then suddenly you know then. My dedication is like tenfold now now. It's like okay well. I i was wrong with this guy so i do not assign is going to win so no no no finnish ju <unk> worker sean he had the cursive channel shoddy run he would write like is the night we fought anderson or the night we fought made dea clary follow every single one he wrote. They lose the next fight so now occurs avows has indicated. I don't believe in while you better start especially if <unk>. Who did you pick. The big draws on its visit <unk> wins. I'm putting this out in the us it every single time you pick a fight i also the raptors are gonna win so that worked out. That's true you also pixel <unk> the number of games they win so maybe maybe it's just a may. Maybe it's just a calvin gasoline finishes darren. He'll jump gasoline. <hes> false come <unk> three rounds. I would favor a decision optimism around. I think he could get him in the fourth or fifth round gallon gasoline historically. He has a very good pace but i'm gonna say true. Actually i think kelvin has finished a lot of high level middleweights in our sliding someone coming up from welterweight wait but again. We've talked about it at nauseam. Fighters moving up in weight at at looks pretty damn good lately so dan until is a new fighter and he comes in he he says these words bodies healthy fights gasol who got gas remember for years saying he wanted to go back down welterweight and then he just stayed millwood because he found success so maybe this is of in welterweight fight at middleweight just like i may deoras anthony. This was a lightweight fight at welterweight <unk>. Capitalize not wait so. I feel like that this is something similar. You're all say he will finish in just to be different from out. Scaly douglas lima beats warming a lunatic. Living is a little inside baseball. I'm sure we look at some of these questions at a time vice that one line that might be the hardest question to answer all the questions. We've got this week at <hes>. Douglas <unk> got <unk> being a person i have not i haven't so far off the game murmur dolls three bites. It's it's hilarious how far i picked him to beat with osce wrong not even close. I thought he would destroy jon fitch than <unk> not even close. I said that neiman gracie would beat him. That didn't happen at so. I i don't know how i don't know how to how to even deal or warren. Mcdonald fights clearly or rundell as a man. I don't think i'm qualified to answer this question. Wow turning your back on your canadian project. I don't know how to end. Picketing went on to say i have i. I don't know how to all these others limit because i think that you know when that final i think like the last round or so so i'll be i'll i'll say he will also douglas lima allowing juicio pit ball v ballots are jammed camp is are two of the most underrated fires on planet earth right now. True true does leave is going to win and you heard it here. Folks donald went. Roy mcdonald was winning. Dan will fight again in the a._f._c. I believe he'll either rematch. I'd not i think he's gonna wanna rematch for the same reason. They wanted a rematch him. He goes valter nobel. I'm competitive man. I wanna <unk> events law so i think he will probably debate one martinez <unk>. Daniel cormet will try pro wrestling after retire cement true if you maybe maybe w are- <unk> <unk>. I mean look they'll. They'll they'll lot. Give anyone with a good name <unk> on with handle themselves in a contest but at the very least if you don't think he's tag teaming with his boy king of alaska to some point whether it's for two or three or neutral wrestling wherever it is that that velasquez's career takes him. You don't think that their tag team at least one time which i would count as try pro wrestling you are you're segmenting orme is gaining in their ideas. Get i eat. He is going to finally enter the sport of gentlemen <hes> at some point when he has done it that way. I'm gonna say true but true in a difference. I don't think he's gonna russell. I think it's going to be a commentator. I think dannon karma is very charismatic. Individual vigil. He's very good on. The microphone is very good talker also on the wrong side of forty now. I think it's a little too late. Start your professional wrestling chris for someone. Who's had these injuries suicidal these. He's gone through the wringer. I don't think he also wants to be on the road again. Us law through all this fight camps that obviously done wearing body. I identify would make an excellent commentator. Maybe for like an annex t where they only do you not marin. I'll only does the takeover shows. It doesn't do all of the actual episodes. I think data department affirmative <unk> excellent excellent excellent commentator. Maybe it's cain. Velasquez goes into wrestling more more leisurely breyer he goes. I know he was at the. I know exactly a <hes> <unk>. Japan show in long beach game velazquez game lasts joins new with. I don't see happening anytime soon. <unk> maintained last mouthpiece because because in dana gourmet do a map you could just throw veto like around the rain just throw all these super junior's around the ring so denver made as a manager slash commentator counts that counts accounts but moving on question for you specifically. I would imagine you've done a lot of you've done. A lot of dana white contender series recast nice assaults. It is it's well. It's it's a question whether you whether it's nicer not is on you but you have done a lot of our a contender series coverage <hes> so i'll leave this. I feel like you would be best suited to answer this from the big squish. I was having this argument earlier. What is the point of. Dana white tuesday contenders as is an. I don't know if you've noticed. It's not tuesday contenders anymore. It's just dana white. Contenders suits all take the tuesday out of dana white container suits. It's to me the point of the show is to bring an exciting inexperience low level fires would the hope with that would that the hope that a small percentage of them will go the distance ranked ranked opposition championship potential etcetera and be long-term sauce for the company your thoughts out. I think you've watched more. Contenders fights anyone on the site what so right to the point is dana. Dana white's container series doing its job. That is what the title of this question is. What is the point of the contender series to you <hes> yes. It's doing his job. No it is not doing the job that i think a lot of people are hoping it what which is you know finding it. It's not finding the next big star. You know maybe they will. I'm not saying not from the shelves can't star. It's just that that is not the primary goal to show. I hate to give us in because you know jose. What do i always say waiting. 'em mayor supposed to be fun as they're on record saying matt but this is a business not the sauce was made the point contender series at least through the first three seasons has been to provide talent the level of sound so insulting but i mean you you know you need those backbone guys unique. I feel on the freelance niner cards and a also the guys who who are hungry rate is stepping on short notice <hes> so the show is helping these fighters even if they don't get signed former relationship with yo- see there on a list the u._c. knows where they are usually has an eye on them. It's it's just part of the abc's takeover over you know and they're getting a lot of again. They're getting like why. Do you think dana white wants just got to go for knockouts because he's getting he's getting those exciting place. The premiums are hopefully. He's getting those guys in crete highlights. He's getting those good stories. All on two contenders stories <hes> you know have usually sorry contenders series usually have great stories about <unk> overcome personal tragedy <hes> just the perseverance. The human spirit is like that. Which is you know ideally what we like to imagine. Martial arts all about mileage may vary once. You've reached the highest level which the obscene <hes> so yeah. I mean just just to sort of stay again. It is doing his job but his job is to stock up talents regardless of whether or not necessarily have championship upside star upside is just giving them a lot of a lot of motivated bodies at a reasonable cost and this kind of relates to the again another question about revenue like you wanna know why why twenty percent so and and why <hes> why uh-huh keep costs low is because of shows like this where you have fighters who are hungry willing to compete. There was a guy yesterday yesterday peter from boston dana white tom town of boston and he was is all like you must have said four or five time companyman whatever use he wants to do on <unk> book whatever i wanna be a good man for the company. This guy just got doc contracts and he's like. I'm coming with u._c._l._a. Hey i'm jason delray and i'm hosting a new podcast. It's called land of the giants in it. We examined the most powerful tech companies of our time. Season one's called the rise of amazon about how jeff bezos turn what was just an online bookseller into one of the biggest companies in the world and how it transformed the way we shop live and work will explore how amazon prime is the leaky to the company's success and how it's something you'll never quit. 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Your day subscribed today explained for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app from stitcher <hes> and the vox media podcast network that or guys like this finding guys that are that are available at talented hardworking people but control and <hes> so yes competitor is doing his job <hes> it's just not the not the most romantic jock goal as it is and we. I'm getting notification that you have a poor connection again on your internet so but you're still here. You're still crystal clear so i'm not going to jinx it. What yeah i agree with you. It's getting these fighters <hes> basically i. I've asked a lot of fighters this throughout mean today asked to fighters when we were in edmonson. A lot of the contingencies guys is like the jeff neal the jeff noodles and i asked <hes> macy barbara this question to like. Who are you fighting for. Are you fighting to get the win or you fighting for dana white because at the end of the day like dana white terms if you get contracts but obviously he wants the exciting fighters. Are you fighting just to get the w. or you. Exciting are you. Is it or is it just the glorified trial and you just want to put on a crazy performance made. You get crazy win. Would then get you on radar both jeff neal and may as you barbara set had different answers definitely just five for the way because at the end of the day a win is a win and so you don't get the contract that still another w on your record and to get two or three more. You probably guessed you'll see anywhere macy. Barbara said like you basically have to fight. She was like you should fight differently. If you're if you're a grind amount kind of find god by differently. You've gotta be excited. You gotta get on. Dana white's radar level in this that i don't think it's very it's very unique situation where we had two fighters get the the contracts and they both had very different answers <hes> with any see like the sugar sean o'malley to have like a crazy knockout on contender series and now they really wanna push him the whole <hes> you sada pulsing situation happened in the same as same as greg hardy well whether you he hasn't story outside <hes> yes but like it gets that knockout gets developmental deal so it's it's who were you find. I i want to know the i would love to ask every single fire who goes through the tender series. Who are you planning for dana white or just adjusted w like because we've seen like member of the i four whitaker said a bar fight that wasn't series but they both got contracts 'cause of crazy crazy fight so if you put on a crazy fight could you could you. Maybe not get a maybe not get a contract. Get put on one of those shortlists for like hey if we need a sharp short notice replacement fight keep him on <unk> so i would love to ask every single fighter in for the w. or dana white and by the way i want to be proven wrong. I love to see one of these contingencies. All the way become a superstar become a world champion. <hes> <unk> deserving. They're they're all hard working. Fighters <hes> the the only the only thing is if one guy becomes a star. That's all anyway will lead to to say hey look. Hey look dummies told you this show was about finding a star this world champion now two years ago now. He's headlining this paper view so for all you critics out. They're yapping at stupid. <hes> dummy alex alid whatever it is but made fighting out he would say that but you know i feel a tax. If you went off this rand in answer that's what he would do. If contender series that creates starts does great. I'll take the backlash yeah and i know oh. We're going to have a second season this year. Another rumblings on it before with dana white says he based at the storm yesterday was that he said that he basically wants me. Landscape of local estimates a kind of fill back up again so he's not just taking all the talent so there were hopes of. Maybe doing two seasons a year. That's not the case but will come back and apparently only the ultimate fighters coming back so we're gonna have to pathways to <hes> get into the o._c. Why are you the do we find the fan of the ultimate fighter. Do we find a one fan the last fans i got my bones ban doing ultimate fighter recap for free. That's all i got him ever may radar man i. I'm still down. I've seen <unk>. I'm sure there are bigger than me. I've missed. Maybe two or three seasons so you watch every episode. You watch every episode. I watched pretty much every day. I think the last three or four cs i've watched literally rips famous season sadly like kind of season six which was like that's the matt at sarah mathews season improbably talent wise produced. One of the worst crops fighters. Mac danzig won that year. He wanted to have a decent career. All offense on sunday so a couple of guys came out but by that time that was landau's after the lightweight season number deals like nate diaz a super high quality season but it was right after that that you kind of got the feeling ooh maybe maybe they kind of as he sat continues. Maybe they <unk> drain the pool a little bit of these of the unknown fighters and sixes when <unk> kind of started happening their strategies for that but that's that's what i said but it was very very educating see i really liked the was the the mayhem miller michael busni season that produces a lot of excellent gigabyte dow's on <unk> dillashaw mad dennis for <hes> marcus berman's. This is on that one i i believe i think that was a i think mayhem was a very underrated coach. Michael bisbee has been agree close closer to three times he wanted <hes>. I liked the dynamics. There was those the bad blogs in the coaches would at the end of the day they were really good coaches and there was an hot very high level problem towns down was my favorite one but also because visually those divisions were pretty new one that will allow that aired so there was a lot of high level lower weight loss fighters. Still i believe <hes> miller day is the only person who ever coached tough only fighters. Aren't you ever catch up with without a u._f._c. because he didn't win after he didn't before. I think he's the only one probably province. We want that is very strange but we're moving on. We're running out of time and i'm did you guys can use twitter. I'm seeing a lot of people saying. Jose doesn't check twitter for the questions but every time i check twitter. It's the same questions that are on the site so it's like see twitter's like what do you think about henry suto finding joseph bennett vitas or what did you think of <unk> dropping abandoned way so i see the questions we answered answered them so if you want to use hashtag the a side on twitter i'll see the questions i'll answer but i just don't answer sometimes because the same questions or like last week i really wanted to talk about hannah ciphers in my promo which got cut short and when requests about hindsight for so i saved it but that's out there so we're going to. I'm looking on twitter. Go ahead use the hashtag. I'm not seeing any moment right for last question before we get in so are promos any word on from zaqoud aku kotecki and he or she. I don't know has says yes. You are pronouncing my user incorrectly. That's been a debate. We had many many a week <hes> so we are pronouncing that name correctly anywhere on what sony has been up to have her for him in a while. Yeah tony ferguson was at u._c. To forty one <hes> we were told he might do a media scrum backstage but all of us probably not and it didn't happen. <hes> i imagine he's waiting for the winner of does import a and b mega made it off. I think that's the answer using forty two doesn't <unk> a media conference. Call which are tomorrow did an excellent ryan upon <hes>. He said someone asked him. What's next next after this like who's the next contender with all these lightweight fights happening. He says referred in harm sound like it's not even a question like so yes a there is zero debate over who was next in line. Lightweight ishaq already have had five lights advise already at this point it just ban situations since have captain either injuries or personal reasons have kept him out of that but yeah i think the lancers waiting for <unk> or avena remains doesn't a a reigning champion gets top billing apologized <hes> but yeah. Is there really any debate out. I usually disclaimer when it comes to user names so executive luke cookie listen to this is some offensive term that we're not hip to certain some obscure sex acts i want to i just seen all that into the minds on moves allies is ahead of time to any children. That may be watching any concern parents. Maybe watching. I know that's our main audience children to concerned parents if that is an offensive term reposited. It's on these people are very cheeky and drink. Clever with user names was quest l. toni braxton <hes> yet now i am. I am the spirit of the smartest thing this man can do is wait. Tony burke <unk> bless his heart will fight anyone fight anywhere he keeps holy bodies that matt classic fighters spirit wade tony just chill-out. Maybe chill his training videos are infamous. I know they make good viral content but you're not telling me don't do ross whatever whatever wacky the training situation you contact me. These like skydiving. I've tried fighting there. While skydiving would be awesome. It'd be great to post about that but at the same time just stay. Stay healthy and don't give up your spot. You are some might say not number contender the uncrowned champion. Maybe the best late in the world. You know if you're just how forget belts <unk>. You're just like his his resume in his cage results. The band has cost like forever. So what does he been up to. He's waiting. He's chilling filling out and that's exactly what he should be doing. The put in perspective pizza pizza and i talked about this the last time tony ferguson loss women weren't even in the u._s. It's it's madness but one final one annoys the balance was the final question but <hes> from our friend teddy bear. Will you get up at one end of lots. The android version zhang prelims and will you will. We see more of these early morning hours of u._s. U._s._c. seems pretty invest time so alex you waking up early so u._c. U._c. shenzhen it's not it is a time. It's three a._m. Eastern time right. I'm not crazy right yes three a._m. Eastern <unk> midnight for you as as that right correct okay <hes>. I think i will be kind of a weird question. Ask us because obviously it's our job provides coverage. I mean we do have a bunch of mark on it but i do kind of like to be around for these cards. I do think this card. I'm not gonna. I don't want to see it as a sleeper because if anyone's even looked at it top to bottom there is a lot of people making their debut and again. This is not i. I don't want to criticize the matchmakers. There's a lot of top logistics that go into only a show in in in china so i was in the more local talent you get the people that you know the closer you get get the easier it is. I'm not gonna this card is a card of necessity. You know related to showcase for really jong and just gone drives these yangyang so some of some of the fighters on the main card the prelims. It's gonna look like a look like again. A regional show over in asia but i probably yes. We'll be up if reviewed not your job to cover this mind. My professional advice would be just maybe get up for the main card which is about six a._m. Eastern time and then watch the highlights slater which you will be able to find on dot com. I like someone on twitter as people on the east and west east coast in pacific co-star. You're waking up to see see it. I'm staying up to see it so there's a big difference because main card starting at three a._m. I'm staying for you. Guys can set your applause along longs for six a._m. Itemise this is the one this is one b. One isn't where being an n._f._l. Ban on the east coast is more beneficial. You don't want to <hes>. I remember living on the east coast for fights in having the like i remember i was on the east coast for when john jones sloughs augustine we will working at like we finish working etienne. I remember leaving the barclay center after habibur xilai into. I left that arena at five a._m. In white so the airport happened so anyway but it with that i looked at twitter <unk> outside of people people complaining about me not using twitter so i addressed that but as always find us here on youtube youtube dot com slash <unk> fighting you vise on <unk> google play spotify all of a sudden putting it out there because i always forget to get that blood but as always the final segment of the show outflow floors whatever promo you want <hes> you know just just people keep keeping on <unk>. This week is coming out as always should be good because there was toyo seat was past weekend so the chance for some of the smaller promotions to shine so that's always exciting. There will be shenzhen coverage. I know we have some i. I don't have any features coming up but i know we do have some features. That will be coming up. I believe one of buster. Wait sleep. Paralysis leschi should should be dropping this week so that's very exciting. I know people people really want to see see him. Get a higher platform. Hopefully after this light. He's fighting the lead over after that. What will <hes> will. You know pick up for him. Cassim fight some of the top ten <hes> i again you should <unk> we on this on a few other topics. I i always end may be by this i also wanted to 'em may should be something that fans. <hes> just put a little more thought into some times. You know i'm not saying it's that you know you need to over think everything anything but we talked with a revenue thing and some of these other subjects even when it comes to human when it comes to think we just put out the story today <hes> just broke. It was reported originally buy t._m._z. b._j. <unk> a i know. We didn't have that if no questions be depend unless they involve another altercation. I will you know before you form opinions on things read as much as you can be patient be patient. You know you don't need to combat everything <hes> the <unk> purpose appalachian lot of opinions on l. What happened to the assault allegations that what happened with element of the bar and just people just throwing opinions left right this for no reason like i know it's cool to talk about stuff but just be educated and thoughtful. The more educated and more thoughtful in your inmate doing that is that is really my roundabouts up points this week as oppose wow said alex and i will it was nelson also out the bad boy alexander keighley asking people to not be as the bad boy like him but my promo is. I'm gonna re hash hash <unk> because my promo apparently got cut from youtube stream or technically reasons so my promo last week is hand ciphers. She was my favorite g. What's the biggest star the come out in my mind out of that by car outside of the top three fights obviously palo koster <unk> were the big winners denecker mate at the yoel romero still big names by hand ciphers. If you look at our youtube page did excellent numbers of people are absolutely absolutely invested in what she has to say and i asked her to her face is. Are you aware that so many people are interested in you and her exact phrase. Was i guess so i she says quote. It was neat the meeting daniel <unk>. It was really cool meeting dana white so i feel like she's acting like a lot of fans would activate become u._c. Fighters where she it was truly a big fan coming up also cases about finding in every time she does interview she apologizes and says i'm working on this getting back. Getting better and ciphers was the biggest star dr come out of u._c. To forty one i will die. Ill and i can't wait see who she fights next. She says she doesn't want to fight on the card because she is. She does not like flying so so again. Just another reason suggest just warms your heart so hannah cyber <unk> you want and i hope that chrome. Oh didn't get caught it is. I'm sorry hannah. I'm not gonna say third time netflix but as anything else you want staple we sign off. I looked at twitter. People complaining that we don't go ninety minutes game but outs <unk> deuce sobbed as yet does thank you thank you for sticking through disag- through the opening audio and network problems. I can tell you that nothing will happen again. It was it was a very big problem. My knew exactly what it was when it happened. It was just oversight on my part so thanks guys for sticking to. I know it's so annoying <hes> deal with it and watch us bumble through it but we really appreciate shape always always appreciate out listeners watchers quarters. I don't bum with things i get very angry and jake white fish like an old man yellow technology but for jose that's alex. We'll see you next wednesday at the normal time. One pm eastern ten a._m. Pacific. I don't know who my goal is going to be made. 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Canada Scientists Isolate Coronavirus; California Counties Shelter In Place

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Canada Scientists Isolate Coronavirus; California Counties Shelter In Place

"From NPR and WB. You are. I'm Tony Moseley. I'm Robin Young. It's here and now. And I a scene setter in the Krona Virus Taskforce Briefing today Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said. We're looking at sending checks to Americans immediately and the White House is presenting an eight hundred. Fifty Billion Dollar. Emergency stimulus package to stem the economic crisis. Also today no voting in Ohio. The Democratic primary was postponed over concerns about Cova Nineteen in Florida Illinois and Arizona. Voters are going to the polls officials say hand. Sanitizer is available. Stay six pete feet away from each other people. Meanwhile seven million people in San Francisco are sheltering in place more on that later in the program in New York governor. Andrew Cuomo said there's no plan to quarantine residents of New York City but he's working on getting temporary hospital facilities up and running in the State and in Louisville Kentucky Derby was postponed until September the first time since World War Two the race will not play take place the first Saturday in May and then scientists around the world are racing to develop treatments and a vaccine one team of researchers in Canada has come one step closer by isolating the virus responsible for the pandemic and joining me. Now is one of them. Dr Aaron Jay bonaire. She is a fellow at McMaster university in Hamilton Ontario. And Dr. What exactly were you able to do in the lab. And what are you learning about this corona virus so the first step of testing a vaccine testing drug is really getting the virus out of clinical specimens. So you can you can grow up the virus and then you can test it. And that's what we did so we took specimens and we. We grew them up on cells in a lab now that makes the resources available for the scientists across Canada. And how were you able to isolate this virus? So essentially did was viruses like cells. So when you take a virus and you put them in these cells which is what did trump because specimens from one thousand nine patients. We took the samples. We put them on cells and then we got the virus out of the sails and we are characterizing. The box as we speak You've been able to examine this virus in great detail. Can you explain for us? What makes this corona virus different from the others? Did you get any insight on why it's spreading so quickly and why it's so harmful right so if you look at the krona vices like SARS and Morris Dozen Nasty viruses than than this corona virus? We are lucky. And we're grateful that this current advisor is not as lethal in in humans like other chronic viruses. But you're right. It does seem to be more transmissible and and we don't know yet but we're hoping in the next few weeks will figure out why this virus is transmissible. The question that everyone has a and I know it's y you're working so hard on this. Is this going to lead to a cure or vaccine against this corona virus right? That's that's really the dream everybody's working very hard to get that vaccine or other therapeutic drugs like you said what'll happen sooner than a vaccine would be a drug that you can use to treat these with nineteen patients because vaccines have to go to regulatory process. It takes time but if you can take drugs are FDA approved and now that we've isolated this virus you can test their ficus your those drugs using the virus we've isolated and if you can identify any kind of cross protection you can start using those drugs. So that's really the goal I think. What's the most important thing right now? Scientifically speaking as you work through this process. What other work needs to be done? I think in a very simple questions like how effective are the disinfectants. That people are using right. So this is something you cannot test any of these questions without having live virus and we are going to supply this virus and share it once characterized it doctor Samir Mubarak at Sunnybrook was the team was working with and she's been leading all these efforts. I think she's she's very nice with sharing stuff. And we've decided that we would share it once we've characterized it. That's Dr Orange Canarsie part of a team of researchers that isolated the corona virus causing cove at nineteen last week. Dr Bernard she thank you so much for your time for Sharia. Yeah love to share everything we can. So we've got this. There's nothing to worry about. Oh well that is that is very reassuring to hear. It really is everyone's panicking and a little bit of hope during these times. It's great. Yeah so you feel pretty confident that we will contain this. I think I think he just went social distancing washing hands and the Gaza lockdowns. That's happening. I think we'll be okay. Thank you so much for that Dr. Thanks thanks for having me well. I needed that too and here in the states. Another group of researcher says they're close to a treatment that might stave off the worst effects of cove nineteen and also worked to prevent it. And it's one that was used over one hundred years ago Dr Peter. Hotels is a professor of molecular biology and microbiology at Baylor College of Medicine in Texas. He's been a key player in vaccine research for diseases including SARS and the new corona virus. He tweeted out our awful new reality and said he is determined to explain and promote convalescent serum antibody treatment especially to save the lives of first responders. He's a busy man. What was trying to save lives so we reached him on his cell at Baylor. A doctor hotels explain what his convalescent. Serum antibody treatment. So this is actually a throwback therapy that was used during the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic and it involves taking serum from patients who recovered from the virus because it has essentially a high level of antibodies. Isolating the antibodies. Then giving it back to our. They're sick patients or now potentially could be used for healthcare workers in the lower dose in order to protect them from a couple of weeks of getting the infection. It's an idea. That's being actively promoted by our to accustom divall. Who's a friend and colleague at Johns Hopkins Medical Center? And what he's doing is trying to organize a network of medical centers to see if we can Gear up blood banks to make this happen and we know. The doctors and China have begun treating covered nineteen patients with this blood. That's harvested from survivors again. Because if they survived they build up antibodies now. Is there a danger though? I mean you know what could be the downside of injecting them with. Antibodies only talking about isolating the antibodies. So that there's little to no risk of actually injecting them with the virus. There are some potential risks that have been associated with this including potential long injury but it seems to be an uncommon complication. And the point is if we're looking at large numbers of patients in intensive care units or very sick individuals if it has an opportunity to lower mortality that could make a big difference to the nation. It's really a stopgap measure until we can develop our vaccines and other groups can develop their vaccines or we have a new drug available. That's very challenging to develop new technologies to new pathogen in the middle of a very dangerous epidemic. We don't have a lot of precedent for doing that. Let's fascinating because the serum would be injecting as you said. Antibodies that were built up in the blood that defeated the virus. But to be clear. Are you talking about this? As a treatment for somebody within the first few days of them showing symptoms. Or are you advocating this or hoping this might work also as a prevention? So it's really both and it really. It's partly a function of the dose of that they received so somebody is very sick with this virus. And you're worried about them Having progressive disease the idea you would give them a large amount of of the antibody but in theory and in some cases in practice. It's been shown that you could give much smaller doses In order to administer this to people that are that are high risk for exposure to the virus We think about frontline health workers and we've already seen now report this weekend of two emergency room physicians now in who are severely ill or even in the ICU. At this virus we cannot let that happen on a large scale so maybe of the antibody could be used for that purpose. We're going to need guidance. For this from the federal government how to best provide quality control for this technology how to regulate it provincially bring in the food and Drug Administration who has a lot of expertise and biologics also? What kind of regulatory oversight does this need to have been also? Could we get federal government mobilizing resources for blood banks? Well you mentioned the two emergency room. Doctors wants a New Jersey once in Washington state in critical condition. And you know many of us read the incredible piece in The New York Times. This past weekend about the two twenty nine year old doctors. If from Wuhan one didn't make one did but it really drove home. What happens during this illness and what the fear is going another a lot of medical mysteries about this virus and one of them that was reports out of China is that healthcare workers seem to disproportionately be susceptible to severe illness based on what you'd predict Just on their age you can imagine how incredibly destabilizing That would be in the United States if healthcare workers are going to work every day knowing that they could become severely ill and be taken care of by their colleagues. Things could unravel very quickly so for me. This is a national priority. You are particularly saying we can save the lives of these frontline health providers first responders potentially with something that will slow down this viruses marched through their bodies. I think it's a weak link in our health system right now that if we have substantial number of health care was taken out of the workforce and I think this needs to be prioritized. Now that we're moving onto the next stage of the epidemic and during the Spanish flu epidemic in one thousand eighteen scientists reported that these transfusions of you know taking the blood from survivors of that flu led to a fifty percent drop in their deaths. Here we are over one hundred years later thinking about this again that. That's Dr Peter Hotels Professor of Molecular Virology and microbiology at the Baylor College of Medicine in Texas. I'm Dr Hotels. We wish you all the best of this. Thank you thanks so much so a hopeful news treatments possible. But we're wondering. How are you doing with all of this? How are the outbreak which hasn't really even hit us yet and the restrictions because of it houses all hitting you weigh in here now dot Org? This message comes from here and now sponsor indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste. You need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot Com post job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard. And when you need to hire fast accelerate your results with sponsored jobs new users can try for free at indeed dot com slash here now terms conditions and quality standards offer valid through March thirty first twenty twenty and covert nineteen is already having a profound impact on the music industry not only with south by South West canceled but Coachella was cancelled as well and live nation. One of the largest musical promoters in the country has postponed concerts through the end of the month. Joining me now. Is Brian here? Artistic Director of the World Music Institute Brian. Welcome to here now. Every Madonna and Brian. Your organization brings musicians from all over the world for concerts. What kind of impact have you already seen? This has an had an impact that of just collapsing tours. shows that have been canceled on one end of the other of the dates so it's have major repercussions and now of course is definitely a cramping venues and all sorts of industries within the music industry. You are also in the concert. Business Stirring The terrorist attacks of nine eleven. How does today's crisis compare Back then I know a lot of my colleagues doing international music and bringing world music to the to the United States Felt that the music must go on especially at that time of You know a lot of prejudice and so forth that we felt that it was really important to bring the music of other cultures in importantly. But now we don't. We don't even have that luxury of trying to keep bringing people in music of other cultures together. So it's it's at a much more profound impact now I would say then than the nine eleven attacks on that because nine eleven. If you remember we were shut down for a few weeks of International flights but there were venues and concerts in that. Were were able to happen unlike now. So it's a it's a different day. How are you advising musicians You know of course. You're letting them know about their schedules. But there's probably also emotional component to your job and having to interface with them. It's really just having a ripple effect of For these artists of making a living. Because as you know now I mean in ours can't make a living off a streaming services and so forth so the live industry has been the way that they've been making their their bread and butter. So it's it's really devastating effect on live musicians of course so a organization we we hope to reschedule and and you know get artist back in in if they can of course But it's it's going to be starting over so to speak of getting these tours together and it takes a lot for artists to even get a handful of dates in the United States to make tours half him. So it's a huge puzzle that has to be free reshaped and reshifted our just waiting for the next upson. It's an. It's an interesting time Brian. Kerr is the artistic director of the World Music Institute. Brian thank you so much. Thank you for having US done there. Were nearly two thousand musical acts scheduled to perform at South by southwest and Austin Texas this year. Madison mcferrin was one of those acts scheduled to play. She's a singer Songwriter from Brooklyn New York. And if her name sounds familiar it's because she's the daughter of music legend. Bobby mcferrin well since Madison won't be playing at South by southwest. We thought we'd have her here albeit remotely. Madison mcferrin. Welcome to here and now thank you for having me. Yeah yes so you're at home now and you've had to cancel most of your live events. How are you doing well I'm just trying to adjust to the new normal of things You know everything's postponed for the time being but nobody really knows till winter. How long and being a musician of live shows or how you make the majority of your income. So now it's time to regroup and rework how we're GONNA do that for the next couple of months you made your debut at South by southwest and twenty eighteen. It's where a lot of national critics heard your sound for the first time. How important is south by southwest for you and artists like you who are just starting out. It's an incredibly important civil. I mean there are so many people there who you network with you get to work with So it's an incredibly important festival especially as an independent musician to be able to have the kind of outreach that really helped jumpstart your career in many ways so to have such an important festival not happen. This year is really telling us to the severity. Of what were facing your. I was called. No time to lose inquest. Love actually called your first album soul cappella. Let's take a listen. You did. So why are you aiding? I don't understand why thinking contemplating non waste all you would allow everything Jones. Say on Sean. Scott Jewish change in nine post op Haram Puzzle Capella. I mean that's a really cool description I did and now you say it. Yeah we know your Dad Bobby mcferrin as talented unaccompanied artist can only assume that he has had a huge influence on your music. What inspired you to make your debut album finding foundation volume one and ACAPELLA ALBUM? I really just did it out of necessity. It was not something that I was intending to do I had this loop pedal and I was messing around with it and I used to play Solo shows with the loop pedal and also with a synthesizer and when I started getting some work shows that called for shorter set time I had noticed that people were really attracted to these acapella songs that I was putting out but I mean it's really just the case that I hear harmony in my head better than I can play it on an instrument. So let me just that for the time being. I would imagine that being at several. Bobby mcferrin concerts throughout my life has influenced that in in some way. Oh I'm sure You know you also have a famous grandfather. Robert mcferrin senior who was the first black man to sing in the Metropolitan Opera I can only imagine how much music is infused in your day to day. Life in your life growing up. Has that. Put a lot of pressure on you though or or is it just part of a big family that loves to sing and pursue music seriously. It's a bit of both It's definitely started out just as you know. This is what we do as a family. And you know my dad's singing in the house all the time and we listen to music all the time and then it wasn't really until Went to college at Berkeley College of Music. Up until that point. You know it's it's easy to take for granted the fact that you have a musical genius in your household and so then all of a sudden I began listening to my father's music really from musicians perspective. And not just his daughter and it really opened my eyes and my ears to the brilliance of what he does and made me incredibly grateful to have someone like him in my life on your newest EP. You and die. You actually recorded one of the songs while Playing Your Dad's baby grand piano. It's called no you better. Let's take a listen tables turning must be speedy although observing under what a beautiful tonal quality. You have tell me a little bit more about this song. I really started doing Acapella Steph live because I was too nervous to play piano and sang in a live setting just because I haven't been competent in my piano playing abilities and so it was just kind of a reaffirming like hey I actually can do this and I also don't meet just do the thing. I also don't need to have a bunch of production around me like I can do this like this. I and it's alive. Take one take all the way through with me playing the piano and singing at the same time so I was like. Hey if you ever had any doubts I can sing you. Go One of your songs a little bit of a departure. It's called try. Let's listen What's driving this? You sound is an evolution as an experiment. Tell me more about it. It actually stems from argument that my boyfriend and I got into route. Try and apple letters on a piece of paper and slammed down the walked out of our apartment and when I was writing the song actually wrote it in my dad's studio and I was thinking about this concept of really trying to push yourself fear Pressel. I just kept saying try over and over like that argument coming back to me and so I decided to title it that you know I i. Struggle with my own issues of insecurities anxiety is the seem to be so popular in the age and just wanted everybody else to know that they're not alone in that. If we put our best foot forward we can actually get through these things including covert nineteen. I know it's really part of the human condition right as we get back up and we each day each day we attain and get to that level that we're trying to get to whatever perfection looks like for us or being better. Looks like for us? Yeah absolutely I mean. I think all of us are really trying to figure out how we're going to shift in this day and age but united. I think this is going to be a real test to us as a society as to how we can stay together. Stay connected And not not. Just let this social distancing distance us forever just because we can't be in the same place doesn't mean that we can't still share music doesn't mean that we can't still you know spread joy and just be together in this collective community that singer songwriter. Madison mcferrin Madison. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for having stay safe out there. You're listening to me. You know you get you. Nearly seven million people in the San Francisco Bay area are now under an order to shelter in place for the next three weeks. It's the most drastic measure taken in the US so far too slow the spread of Corona virus and the region's main industry tack is also adjusting to this clampdown. Let's bring in Jessica lesson. She's editor in chief of the information. And Jessica how is this shelter in place order affecting the tech sector supposed to stay in place until at least April seventh? It was quite a jolt. yesterday So we're we're only a couple hours into it and I think everyone's trying to figure it out. You know for for week or so now. Companies out in the bay area facebook and many more had moved to work from home but there are some huge questions about how this is going to affect technology companies from small startups. All the way on up. So you know it's pretty widespread in these companies are enacting That across the country as well. It's very large numbers i. I'm personally surprised. My Internet is holding up so well among other things but it's a complete bending of Normal business practice. Which of course we're seeing across under other industries as well. Yeah Yeah you mentioned some of those smaller companies. That don't typically have people working from home how are they handling it this What's the learning curve? Been like? I mean it's a lot of slack in zoom and I would say I was a a casual slack user and now I'm a very aggressive slack users. I think technology is given us a lot of tools. There's over zoom and Videoconference even just these like casual happy hour conversations that pop up between venture capitalists start ups and journalists. So there's a lot of creativity I would say but we we are only in the beginning of this and I think it's very unclear what it's GonNa feel like a few weeks from now you bring up a good point though about some of these technology companies that are actually getting a boost like slack because people are using it more. My muscle thinking about the use of Amazon and other key delivery services and these streaming services like net flicks just wondering. It's so hard to say as you said we're in the beginning stages but perhaps this might cement a trend towards ECOMMERCE and that competitive advantage. Those companies have over these brick and mortar businesses. It's very very possible. I think the ECOMMERCE COMPANIES. This is true of some of the same day food delivery and other services. That of you know are seeing stronger demand. They have really challenging back in logistics to figure out to as they figure out how are their employees is going to go to work. What are their delivery schedules? Are they going to modify schedules? So for instance you know Amazon. Same Day delivery service has just seen surging demand in recent weeks and is basically Saying we don't have any windows available right now so I think it's really unclear. How operational they'll be able to be with all that they're managing. Yeah and as for those workers who are working from home. I mean optimistically. Eventually they will go back to their offices but do you think we might actually see. It's kind of a proof of concept that these companies can maintain sizable portions of their workforce. Working from home after this is over possibly before the virus in the bay area. There was a push towards remote work. Who knows what's going to happen to the economic picture here. That was really driven by the high cost of housing in the bay area but with that trend underway coupled with this. I think we could see some major shifts in realignment in the workforce. That's Jessica lesson editor in chief of the information. Thank you so much thank you Tanya. We mentioned earlier. That parts of California have now been ordered to take steps like Italy by putting down shelter in place. Orders that means seven million people from seven counties in northern California are being asked to only leave their homes for essential travel for at least three weeks. California Governor Gavin newsom is also advising all Californians to stop gathering in groups no matter the size directing that no gatherings Be considered advanced in this state of. That's the new guideline. We're putting out This evening as well. And we think it's very rational. Under these circumstances disruptive. I know for some but rational more than five hundred people have tested positive for the corona virus and the state. Marissa Lagos is a correspondent for K. Q. E. D. in San Francisco and she joins us now from her home. Hi Marissa He Tanya so breakdown for us what a shelter in place order actually means is it. Is it similar to Italy and other places in Europe that that we were talking about? I think we're a little bit. Maybe a few weeks behind Italy. This is really a directive from local officials here in the bay area. I'm what they're asking people to do. Is Essentially just sort of st stick to their household. Stay inside unless you need to go to the grocery store or do go to the doctor. Something absolutely essential There really urging people not to make a run on groceries that there are plenty of supplies here but they're really just trying to us from each other and I mean it's been an interesting week Tiny as I have two young children and Schools are not in session and we had decided as a household actually to do this ourselves as of Sunday And so I think in in some ways it's a little bit of a relief to have this directive from the local officials. So we know exactly what the parameters are. But it's definitely John ging. Yeah Yeah you bring up a good point at it brings guidance and I think a lot of people though were asking what exactly is essential travel. And you brought this up if you have a doctor's appointment or something like that but grocery shopping is not under that rubric of Essential Travel. I'm wondering yeah so we're allowed grocery store and we are actually allowed to go outside and take a walk. My kids are out on their scooters and bikes right now as long as you stay six feet away from people who aren't in your household I see I see how authorities going to enforce this well. They're hoping that it's more of a guidance. Tissue technically if you violate an order like this a public health order you could be cited for misdemeanor. But that's obviously not what anybody wants to see What we're hearing from police chief here and from the mayor is that City officials police will be out there kind of educating people at this point and unless somebody is really sort of defying this in a ridiculous way. they're not going to be exciting people. They're just going to be trying to explain to them what we're asking for. Yeah you're at home you've been at home for a couple of days you put this in place for your household but what does the bay area look like right now? Are the streets? Empty are as the interstate empty. Yeah it is really eerie and strange The the kind of closest thing I can think of in recent history as the wildfires when the smoke is keeping everybody inside but it's certainly a little further than that You know the my corner is usually very busy in the morning with hunks and beeps and Except for the street sweepers and the buses still running. It really does feel like everyone's hunkering down the A- All non-essential businesses have also closed. Do you know what measures the state is taking to keep those small business owners and employees afloat. Yeah and we've seen a pretty aggressive sort of moved from Sacramento in recent days. I'm just last night. The state legislature decided before they adjourned until April thirteenth to pass up to a billion dollars in aid packages. And that's really more for hospitals and to support you know seniors who are homebound individuals who might need that help We've also seen waving of you know the waiting period for unemployment insurance In San Francisco the city is offering ten million dollars to help essentially subsidize sick leave for small employers so if they can offer it for a week but they need help with the second week things like that so. I do think that people are really trying to step up as much as possible. I think right now Some of the challenges probably just getting that information out to people and making sure they understand what they're eligible for. Yeah Yeah and you mentioned that you're at home with your children. I'm also thinking about child care workers Who really rely on that work. Have you heard anything about those workers? Well I mean we're still paying our preschool tuition. And we're getting a lot of emails from our teachers who were trying to still do their part to educate I know part of this order is to essentially say unless you're a live in any or you need to help somebody with medical care That you cannot go and do your job and so I think that you know the question is for those of us who are still getting our paychecks. What can we do to keep the sort of economy going and moving? And can you afford to still pay people? Even if you're not getting your house cleaned or you know your your child care Taken care of but I I mean not. Juggle is really this. Big Challenge tiny. I think you're in the same situation where it's like. How do we work and home school? Our kids and sort of I present them with a sense of normalcy endless weird time. Yeah all of us are doing it. Yes I'm in my closet and my kids are downstairs grappling with those questions that's K. Q. E. Marie so Lagos With us from From San Francisco. Thank you so much for your time. Take Care Tanya well as we mentioned. Kids are home because schools across the nation are closing to stop the spread of Corona Virus and Wisconsin the government has mandated that all schools closed beginning tomorrow but before that one school they are has been using data about the virus as a teaching tool emily files of member station. W. W. M. visited a classroom. Where for weeks middle schoolers have been analyzing corona virus statistics? East broke academy is a small K. Through twelve Christian school on the north side of Milwaukee eighth graders here say they heard about the corona virus on tick tock the Social Media Video. App. Here's Noah Keller is kind of over exaggerated the kind of like a apocalypse and the world thing math teacher bill. Drew Liner says. The students brought their concern into the classroom. There was a lot of alarm sometimes. It's hard to tell whether the kids are joking or not concern or fake concern. That was coming out in the way they were talking about it you know. Can we talk about CORONA VIRUS INSTEAD OF SOLVING LINEAR EQUATIONS? And things like that. This was back in mid February when the virus was mostly confined to China. Drew Liner. Saw it as a learning opportunity so for the past three weeks. His class has studied the corona virus infection data and calculated the rate of growth student. Mariah Dwyer says it became more significant for her wants. The outbreak reached the US. She's worried about relatives in Wisconsin and other states for me. It's creepy Erlich scary. Because I've been look everywhere so it's just like every state there is like. Oh Yeah you're Bob Wallace there and I'm like Whoa. They might get eight after looking at the numbers in one recent class drew liner asked students what recommendations they would tell the CDC Kia oster wind raised her hand. Me Maybe the food shipments and then you do need to quarantine everyone in the house. We need to have food patrick. Connor says using real life. Examples can make math concepts more accessible and corona virus is as real as it gets. Hunter teaches at New York. City's stuyvesant high school and wrote a corona virus. Statistics lesson for other teachers to us are always looking for ways to make map real for their students and this virus is very real so the students are curious because they know they know that this can affect them. Hunter says teachers need to be sensitive to the fact that the conversation can be scary for students. That's where the expertise of a teacher knowing. Their students really is important. Because you you had that relationship with them and you understand you know what what will be appropriate for them. It might be too much biology teacher. Megan Christianson wanted her students to know the reality of the situation. She teaches in Upland California near La Christianson. Had Her ninth graders research how viruses like Kovic nineteen infect cells. Soon they'll write papers about solutions to viral outbreaks. We need to teach students about what is important. We need to teach students about real world problems. And how to figure things out because that is what happened when you're an adult. The teachers hope their lessons about the corona virus. Help their students feel better informed even as news about the spread of it grows more concerning for NPR news. I'm emily files in Milwaukee and let's learn more now about Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin 's announcement. Today at the White House Task Force on chronic could the corona virus that the administration wants to put the money in the hands of Americans. We're looking at sending checks to Americans immediately and what we've heard from hardworking Americans. Many companies have now shutdown whether it's bars or restaurants Americans date cash now and the president wants to get cash now and I mean now in the next two weeks and this is part of the plan from the administration for an eight hundred fifty billion dollar stimulus package. A many economists have been saying yes put cash in hands of Americans especially those out of work because of the corona virus. Then there's the Federal Reserve cut to interest rates to make it easier to borrow and spend but our next guest says well. The Fed can only do so much. Let's bring in economist. Stephen Roach senior fellow at Yale's Jackson Institute of Global Affairs also former chair of Morgan Stanley. Asia Hi Stephen Morning Robin. And how briefly do you feel about just flat out? Cash to Americans. Look it's admirable thing to help Americans who are suffering. I'd rather quite honestly put cash in the hands of scientists in public health officials to get a grip on this crisis immediately and I heard the the emphasis that Secretary MNUCHIN places on getting cash to people in distress I'm not critical that but I really WANNA see disease containment. Get the same emphasis from our treasury. Secretary that He's he's giving today at the White House. Well this is your main point your overarching point that it's time to invest in scientific findings long-term resilience against emerging diseases and climate change. But it sounds like you're saying as many others have it would be very nice to give you know a thousand couple thousand to every American especially those out of work so they can pay their mortgage mortgage and then they can cover some food but what he do next month. So you're saying you know think of the long term and that that brings us to the Fed cut which makes it easier to borrow and spend now White House economic adviser Larry cudlow predicted a short economic slowdown of just weeks and months. But you write large economies around. The world have been slowing. They were slowing before the virus. Too many governments. You say made a devils compact with globalization prioritizing speed and quantity of economic growth of equality. What do you mean there? What's the quality of the the growth experience having cleaner air having a A planet that is More stable in terms of the The hole in the Ozone Air And also Making certain that we don't have you know disease rampant around the world in a public health infrastructure. That is Ill-equipped incapable of responding to that disease. So we we have overlooked that. Because we want faster growth Cheaper goods and services from producers around the world and that's a very unfortunate Aspect of the Compact that we have underpinning mobilization today. And you say this is a supply shock that we're in right now with the effects of the Krona virus so for instance we can't get the manufacturers can't get things they need because of factories shut down in China. It's not a demand shock with people afraid to spend money and that's when you pour money into the economy to make grow so doesn't oversimplify sure is A. It's a supply shock coming out of China but it certainly has implications for demand if people are restricted from leaving their homes and fearful of assembly in public places so Becoming demand shock. Yeah absolutely yeah and so we hear you about you and others saying it's time to invest in things long-term to to prepare for future outbreaks in there will be more viruses and there will be climate change. But what would you suggest short term for people who suddenly woke up Monday morning and they're out of a job because their company can no longer have people coming into work out in a gym or people coming into sit down at a restaurant? Whoa what's the best thing to do? They're the best thing to do. There is take care of yourself. If you don't have work you have absolutely no cash on hand and you know We have Social Services and public authorities. Who should be able to get You what you need to subsist on a short term basis but. I don't think that you know the full force of the. Us government right now should be provided We shouldn't be focused on providing income assistance for those in distress. We need to provide direct assistance to the scientific and public health community. Who can get a grip on this problem? If we don't solve Cova nineteen over the next few weeks and We're going to have a far more serious set of economic dislocation to address in in the Munson but even you know expanding in just a couple of video expanding unemployment again. I'm in favor of providing short term relief for those in the most acute distress but that should not be the sole focus of public policy coming out of Washington. Stephen Roach senior fellow. At Yale's Jackson Institute of Global Affairs. Thanks so much and here now is a production of NPR and wr association with the BBC. World Service. I'm Robin Young. I'm Tanya Moseley. This is here now.

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35: Stage 3 | Vinci to Orbetello | Giro dItalia 2019

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35: Stage 3 | Vinci to Orbetello | Giro dItalia 2019

"Listening to the settling podcast at the dinner d'italia in association with graph the fastest clothing in the world the home of settling with character. Right. And what we'd Rafael turned nineteen as they partner with e f location. I and canyons ram today. We had enough. Say. Who says you say? That she. On two hundred meters to go where out side the company call that nocco Veon any a- Elliot's outlet trying to win the sprint. Does he starting to edge food and he seat to these going to do it? Still we've been stealing wifi from fifteen minutes while he put the seat down in the front. So he got a clear view if he's television, but he hasn't evolved into the warm. I think he's gonna go position. I think we we're gonna say celebration here, I think hundred meters ago. On the Ryan to fold and Pasquale come on the cheek lemme jersey versus vitriolic here. He comes. He's got. He's got he's got. He's got it. Yes. He's got it. Geno. Kuwait later, Fred all. Never have. Just simply. Tearing your as well. Lovely sunday. We had really good team. So. Also ball uses our writers for the. Food. In the best position. Gone right corner that she can so. He was better today. These we had the need to the most. I started my work in last four underneath or behind me was Aachen among so. Doc was was to be knocking myself with issue. So. Welcome to a chilly, gray orbital. Oh, my name's Lonzo. Bernie, I'm with Daniel freed. Hello daniel. Hello. And that was Fabio Sabatini of decoding quickstep. He thought it was a perfect day for them because they thought Eliot VR knee at one stage three of the Jared Italia. His first in the Italian national champions jersey in this race. But a few minutes later. Well, quite a few minutes later. The result was overturned and Vivian was disqualified for flick to the left which cut up Mattio Moschetti of tricks Sigfredo who crossed the line in fifth place, BB, only relegated and financial Gavia. The new stage win for you a eighteen memories napalm really quickly. You know, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna ask Meyer Cipollini's old lead up on mighty who standing behind us. Whether it was the right decision. Mighty mighty wanting to Intel. Up all solo. Vici on a ju star CO naught disqualified could've Eastham what a letdown. He hasn't seen. It hasn't seen it old one loud. Okay. We've gone other tiny. Welcome to the podcast cheer on your media or Gazzetta, dello sport. Hello Chiro, the at least to stay with you again. And you said something before about that she Lear Battelle, oh, windier Mattel. Well, it's through but the list there you have to remember that also with this weather condition or law Healy much better than any other mountains in the world. Because see because it's by the seaside exactly this e is derived answer to every question. It's simply Chiro tells ab- about orbital like how is it? And what's famous for? What is it? The Romani people from Rome come here on holiday to the Toscano in the people from Tuscany, you know, listen, all this stuff. I mean Daniele it's certainly much more clever than me ace really inning. It's really an open minded guy. You know? I'm really more close. You see you can imagine that the most important only import on think of orbital is the fact that is in the air to see is in yesterday, peach and also it's also in front of a marble civilian island is g you don't forget this. It would look a lot better if the summer shining, but one question that we need to have a definitive answer to if Mario today count on through it. What the correct decision to relegate Elliott VR? Well, really difficult to say I saw the image of the sprint several times more. Yes than knowing my opinion. Well. We have to consider that. It's not an easy decision and Viana was really upset after the finish solely listeners. Because now my chief is calling me I have to go by the fastest thing in the world. They home of settling with character, right and watch with Raffi twenty nineteen as they partner with e f education, I and canyons ram because and also because we have more big show. We have winter. We've shows some big show Kanai us more mobile for for the winter for some. I am Sasha model and the. Education first day. The Shammy also is very comfortable for me as the best. We've show in the. Thanks to Rafeh our sponsors here. The cycling cost that support as a neighbor this all three grand tools for the last few years, and we will be here all the way to Verona while more or less give or take going to run down you at the end very much napalm. But the weather needs to improve doesn't it before. Then I mean, I've never known star Jiro to have such terrible weather. It is code on wearing my Rafeh jacket, which is keeping me warm. Fortunately, this is the first week of the Jiro tally, of course. And at the end of the first we will be awarding our first peddler, charm pedlar, Sean award. If you see anyone doing some charming peddling out on the roads of the Jared Italia. This week, not just good cycling style and style and verve and sportsmanship, and all of that kind of thing to get a nomination think we might have a contender later in the episode, but I'm not gonna reveal who is yet. Okay. Well, we will be collecting nominations on Twitter. On our Facebook page Twitter is at cycling underscore podcast, and the winner will receive there will be a little vote on Twitter poll on Twitter at the end of the week. And the winner will be presented with our Rafeh peddler sham t shirt, and if you wanna pedal sham t shirt or a peddlers Deschamp t shirt or cycling jersey or cap they are all in stock in all sizes on the referendum site reference. CC now Chiro is back. He's had to answer an important question from his editor Luca. But the big question is what the correct decision and the ride he cut up Moschetti, a young Italian rider with trek Sigfredo. He was never going to win the stage. Was he wasn't like Viennese move blocked Gavia or or blocked a writer who is in contention for the victors. Yes. Exactly. And also, another factories was the windy was really tough. And so maybe well, we have to consider everything I think that they see Shen. Has many see question Lister, at least my point of view after more or less two hours within of the stage. I really don't know in terms of the race. I I mean, it was a it was a really flat stage in terms of action and drama there really wasn't any until five kilometers to go in that crash. Rich split the peleton. We'll talk about that a little bit later on was there a sense of relief that you at least have a story because that sport that disqualification of the Italian champion. And also the fact that D'amoto Moschetti really young guy you have to remember that he's only twenty two and this I the grand tour and so he arrive, maybe we doubt this move of equal have been second. So also these would story, but Lionel if there are the story we invent to the story without Danny. I mean, not that problem them, the least Sheron tell us a bit more about Moschetti quickly before you really quickly is really pupil. I mean, these was discovered by even bustle leaves in the near Milano in the same on on the Andrey unware. The oldest thing of Jiro elapse beat Romania, the former outlet my very famous, and I think it could be could be the next big thing. Sprawl battalion sprint. Cheer i-? Sprinting off. In a straight line for the next big thing and Italian sprinting. Based on what we've just saying. I'm pas performances. What was your view though, down your end? What else do we pick up at the finish Vickers? Financial Gaviria the stage win. Now didn't look overly delighted to win a no circumstances. Well, and he wasn't. He said on TV that you didn't really want to win any stunts. He considered a defeat. Viana did hadn't affected Gaviria Gaviria had across cross your couple of weeks ago. I don't think it was very well documented, but I was speaking to some people UAE his team's morning, and they felt that you probably needed to three stages to really kind of warm up the far up the jets. But yeah, he he was quitting off today. It wasn't a although Vivian had beaten him fan cleanly clean. Well, in fact, tickly I'm certainly I mean, this this suggestion that the wind had something to do with VR news move from right to left. I'd buy that. At all. I also don't think it was a deliberate attempt to shut the door any on anyone behind him. Because there was no video really in shadow. There was it would him recommend versus Gavia, and he came through so strongly really the rice with one not long after he'd made that move across and the rider. He impeded was not going to win the stage. But but the rules, I guess I mean. It's more for the the danger of the move rather than the way affected. There is oh, I guess I think in situations. Like, this you defend people who really know and who've been in in sprint finishes before knowledge under Pataki's from the main pundits on Italian TV. They're very patriotic. Generally. They would have wanted to win in the trickle jersey, but Pataki on numerous other pundits on Italian TV agree that he should have been disqualified. Well, you mentioned the talian national champions jersey. I'm gonna flow ridiculous theory of my own after re shoots crazy. I mean, I don't know what eight feigned on yesterday afternoon where to come up with theory about teams guys team any or egg Umbono. But my theory is that this is the beginning of the curse of the vertical Italian champions jersey checked out with the current quickstep what it's all about. And it's basically because they just finished doing something special making. Different jersey because Bibbiani reckon he can defend it the cost doesn't suit him. The Italian national championship core fishy it suit him. So he wanted to come to the Jiro win stages in jersey looks at a little bit different. And it's not worked out for him today. I think cars team car, the back of the pack fleas. Radio at the two fronts, interrupting out Jiro coverage to remind me to tell you that this episode is sponsored by ordinance survey. If you're planning an adventure in the UK used the award winning ordinance survey maps for just two pound nine thousand nine a month. You can get only ordnance survey maps for the whole of Great Britain across all your devices, and you can even print them out to if you prefer to have a paper copy, you can find new walking cycling and running routes or create your own you can view drone footage of your route with three D fly throughs, and you can explore what's around you. With augmented reality and said, you can download and print them apps before you go. So you don't need to worry about whether you've got a phone signal if you're exploring somewhere remote now Daniela few anything like me as a child when I was just discovering cycling maps played a hugely important power in getting out and finding the countryside around may and buying the piper ordinance survey maps and lying them out on the dining room table and plotting. My roots with a really key part of my my cycling learning and match-play huge in that today. Well, it's very that. We should be talking about this Jared because the Chiro as all my saw famous among journalists for its maps. And there was well the jurors as always really had to an official cartographer and one just one in particular is really more the history JIRA chess that I sang galley who is the official cost of the year for fifty years. He's quit Quilon Inc. Was very particular about the kind of in keys, and of the jurors was taken very seriously and produced these these maps, which are objects of great beauty while I have a house style. Don't and you can say exactly the same about ordinance survey. If you showed me an ordinance survey from fifty paces, I think I'd be able to tell you that it was a land ranger. They got their own distinct, look and not just that. But that you know, it's the accuracy of them as well, isn't it? And you you kind of learn. All of symbols main, look at the K on the back, and workout while everything is you mentioned the Jiro and the kind of the misleading aspect of some of their mapping leaving off the severity of climbs to maybe who doing the right at into thinking the court. It's not as difficult as it actually is ordinance survey wouldn't do that. Because accuracy is they say watchword if you want to get free seven day trial, go to oh S maps, don't UK or you can download the app store or sign up and pay two pounds ninety nine a month. And you can get all of the ordnance survey maps on your devices. Well, chased I knew my palm. Guest. We've relocated to lodgings for the evening. Another very fine place on your you're averaging probably solid nine point two five out of ten for the two places we stayed in so far we'll talk about a missing point seven five later. Well, we should just recap a little bit from the sprint disappointment. Of course for Elia and Renata Vivianne e I would say joy finance Gaviria. But he really didn't celebrate his victory on ROY wasn't a mutual aid. Should you say on? Oh tomorrow was second and PASCAL Ackermann yesterday winner with third and Chiro new pet project. Mattio most Getty wars, fourth the surprise of the sprinted today. Caleb you down in fifteenth place didn't really see what happened to him. But not the service out you'd expect particularly when you look and see Simon Yates. Simon Yates mega anger. Lopez were both the head of him. My boxed in a bit on the running. There was some movement on the particularly tire Geoghegan hall of team any Osu's lying seventh overall with this morning was one of the ride is caught up behind that crash with around five kilometers Toco and he finished with four of his teammates one twenty eight down. So he tumbled down the overall standings. Everyone else seemed to get through more or less. Okay. Other finish. I saw gates come back to the ten Scott bus and had a very quick word with him about how his day had gone. And then I spoke to his teammate Luke derby who had spent the whole of his day protecting Simon Yates keeping them out of trouble keeping that with the wind. And this is what they had to say. Yes, nervous day in the wind. It didn't off until five to go. But how much work did your team after do to make sure you never in any danger? It wasn't from us. I was on the line. Maybe the last forty Cashman. That was really stressful nervous. Hello the sections that were I think teams are expected to be Crossman more talent. So is okay. But the guys that if anonymous phenomenal job. Protecting me. Really? Yeah. I think I've never been outside the top twenty until the final day. I've not just the wind. Also, so. Good for me on the day that when it's so windy all day. Can you explain to our listeners? Why there were no split. If saying tell him and tell them again, it's in the two to France or the JIRA tally. We'll talk when you've got ten leaders and everyone has seventeen mates. Everyone's job is to make sure that team might stays in the front. So what's happening is that it just gets very very stressful. But everyone's just rods and blocks the road. So what we had in the last twenty KYW would have been carnage. If it was a classic to refund us things like that. But because the Steig dries everyone's trying to conserve energy. So even Royds next to each other. And we would just blocking the Royal we perfect positions. They saw him sitting there. That's why we don't really want to split it. But we don't wanna be me stat if someone does. So he's tricky thing and not the most exciting racing to watch at home. But there's a lot of stress in the bunch. It's hard to explain we were switched on from columnist zero to five and a half hours. So I'm mentally joined maybe not as physically is probably looks. If you're not moving up, you're slipping backwards. Exactly. So did you touch Reich show three wheels back in to get back to the fronts nearly impossible in terms of not wanting to split it is it because the risk is too. Great. And the reward might not be big enough. Exactly. Use a lot of energy for something that my NIO might not happen and three weeks tied rice, we don't necessarily split it. I kinda go and nothing happens. And we've just use all that bullets. It is a game of chess and. Yeah. So I think we planted quavo to that interesting from bridge about the men to energy expended today. The concentration required an also that technique of riding fully across the road to prevent anyone forming in the echelons that wasn't them tilling along not taking it seriously. They're elbow-to-elbow across the road to prevent anyone from putting. In a long line. And that's when the split would happen. And of course, that point about risk and reward, no one really wants to be the first team to lay on the line and then end up losing out, and especially when you g c vita. Well, napalm we thought some of the right is might be vulnerable today. Didn't we they they all coped pretty well with the wind and the teams were who are very alive to the danger, particularly in the finale, it was no suppose, they were all the right side of the split after that crashes as far as I could see anyway, any any casualties and even sort of mid level casualties today tire Geoghegan heart really who did very well in the opening time trial seventh over all this morning and a minute and twenty eight conceded and well Richard counterparts as well without he wasn't a victim of that split. I think he'd had a mechanical problem before he lost forty six seconds as Dominica parts of ego without vivo is here probably working for Vincenzo Nibley in the bar Morita team anyway, but a little bit of time loss for those two. Yeah. And I think it will be a lot relief tonight. Just when we spoke to some ride is this morning and team managers in Vinci. Some thought that the race would blow up very early on the on the today other that it would blow apart in the last thirty or forty kilometers. A neither of those things came to pasta day astonish were very relieved because I think they're very conscious as we mentioned in the podcast yesterday of the found that they've come here with a team that's very much built for climbing built for the mountains. And the really any up a couple of guys who were noted rulers in the team. So that be an Android Zeitz and Manuela boy auto, but they did they did just find so. Yeah, they were they were pretty outrageous in Vinci Giuseppe martinis there had Dr spotty here. And he has always when Judy Muller Pantani Simoni Damiano Kooning. Oh, so he's just about the most experienced on unsuccessful decorated Jerry Talia Tarik spotty around. And even he admitted this morning, they were pretty afraid of the wind, and they're afraid of today's stage, but it all turned out. Okay. In the end, you're gonna hear from martinis before the stage, and then Dario Cataldo who was one of superman. Lopez key lieutenants today off the stage. Thought that we really have to be canceled today. It's absolutely fundamental days. Like today the most dangerous. Everyone knows it. And we just have to hope that team will try to the gun. We know the finish is complicated because Patel is in the middle of the sea. And it's going to be a bit of a massacre. But we'd just hoping it doesn't go ballistic at the start. Zeitz who could be key today. It's everyone teams Bill for the climbs on this. We're a bit afraid of days like today. There are a lot of other teams in the same boat. As us also teams that will want to blow the whole thing up, but that's just bite racing. If I don't last seven kilometers was very very tight. Everybody wants to stay in the front and was was very out to take their position. But we didn't the right moment before we we had the crash on the on the side. And we Boston just the right moment. So at least we had to find out there to bring Miguel in the right position. Told me that you were pretty worried about the stage, and you're worried that it was gonna kick off and it was going to be casino from the from Columbus zero. It didn't happen. It didn't even happen in the finale one. In the beginning goes everybody was careful the final. So all the other teams who are thinking to have more writers as possible to work in the final. But actually in the final that win was not strong and the diplomacy because of the of the question not because of the of the win, but everybody was care. And when is this anyway, there's a big tension. There's be say everybody wants to stay in the front. So is always dangerous. Anyway, even if the wind doesn't make the difference. So we are at least Superman's positioning was super. Yes. In the final. Yes. Before not that much. But we in the right moment and everything is going, right? Okay. Dan, you quiz time for you, Dario, Cataldo and. Three other riders have something in common in this charity tally at waters, Lil when the baby deer. They did. They did can you name the other three I can name civic, and I can. God he you said that you're going to send me this question. I should have gone away researched it because now on the way. I should like a buffoon. Who did I say I gave one name and it was wrong while the four baby winners in the field. Daria Cataldo who won in two thousand and six my Catania who wanting to eleven Joe Dombrowski two thousand twelve I'm Pavel Sheva two thousand seventeen. Yeah. Not not the greatest indicator future successes at the the baby Jiro certainly looking at that list. I mean, there will always see here and racing civic off probably will end up being the best of that Corta. Anyway, it was once napalm in the last ten years is it's undergoing quite a few changes and tweaks and face lifts. And it was the period of the G O Beal, the sort of the bio the organic, the vegan under twenty three Jerry. And I didn't even remember that the couple of years when all of the rights of slept together in a dome etry kind of arrangement, and they have to give up that mobile phones. And they were only allowed access to a race doctor, and it was a it was an initiative on the part of the race organizers to try to well clean up the baby ear off a couple of notorious incidents in the tourist additions that were blighted by doping affairs. But not didn't it wasn't. It wasn't ready ending unqualified success image. So that it reverted to a more traditional form about as you say, it's it's not been the best guide of future success in recent years. So what do we make of the way that the juicy right at all kept out of trouble. I mean, that'd be pleased giving it was so windy out there on a long stage as well. And a couple more long stages before the weekend. But you were saying as we came away from the finish this evening. How uncharacteristic the weather is it doesn't feel grand tool weather does the cold and the and the gray and the drizzle, it's not my Telo. Look his best. I don't think I'm. But also, this is not really very Jiro opening week. Is it normally lost year? We saw all of those opportunities for Simon Yates Toco, pinching seconds. It's not going to be the same. This year tool is going to be much more focus on the sprinters until. Phil someday, I would have thought. Yes. Napalm usually we see punchers to the four. We see a couple of finishes on short sort of steep rises into often finishing hilltop towns on us. Usually, they're usually some opportunities for the guys to make headway and not the case this year said with the weather looking. As ominous as it is according to the forecast anyway. And I think they'll be they'll be some concerns about greasy roads and wet weather in the next couple of days, and and crushes, and and it's gonna be stressful and with those with the weather with the long stages with the stress that knows energy. A lot of riders will start to feel commendably tied. I think the end of the first week could she something a bit different tomorrow infra Scotty. I think and Saturday in Loughrea, I think as well, but we should wait and see how that pans out tomorrow. I'm just before we move on the first appearance of corrections corner for this Jared town departed. Departed leader Richard Moore said last night. Well, he failed to correct my white who said no one had won the tool of Roman day and the tally in the same year. Matt white did say in modern cycling. So I mean, where do you draw that line because ninety three years and nine hundred ninety seven Stephen Roach the Irish writer, Dwayne the tour of Roman day. And then that you already Talia I'd say that was a fortnight's gap between the two raciest back then not which is a wheat longer the now. But the funny thing about that wall, roaming, gross that didn't in the ninety s. I think someone's someone said this me on Twitter today. I can't be responsible for everything that follows send in. But I haven't checked, but the point is it has happened just way you draw the line of the modern era. I mean, it hasn't certainly hasn't happened in the last ten fifteen years. So, but the funny thing about this yesterday was as white said that no one had won the two of remedy. The jury Italian the same year. Stephen Richard actually stood pretty much on the Richard more shoulder. So good job didn't over here. He could have done a live corrections corner. Caen Stephen Roach there. How are you? Yesterday, then surprised or pretty much what you expected from Brooklyn. Particular not surprised. Anyone who is hoping to get one of Stacey Snyder's fantastic. Handmade jury Talia cycling, podcast mugs. Well, she made fifty and they sold out on the first day. The idea was that they would sell over. The course of the JIRA. We've been pretty much taken by surprise the damone has outstrip supply. And because handmade it's not easy to rustle up another batch. But Stacy is gonna make another fifty and keep your ears on the podcast and look out in our newsletter for details of when they go on sale. If you want one you may have to move quite quickly. I think Dimond is still pretty high second podcast jibbidy Tanya, he supported by scientists. Sains is sport fueled by science. Thank you, Sean, James portrait, sponsoring the cycling podcast. They've been with us since the start of our daily Jared Italia. Coverage twenty sixteen. Thank you very much to them own. Our listeners can get twenty five percent off the whole range of scientists products by going to science dot com. Filling their basket with goodies. And then entering the code S I P twenty-five Jenny savvy at the manager. And he's to. Received American modal formation. Yes. One full one goalkeeper one defender one four two one one is McAfee party to enter in the breakaway as yesterday for the for the classmates of kilo, but does make your weight and four there either to L because he's not so easy. Go in breakaway. So for McAfee forty four riders that to enter in breakaway field and to to the demand all over that classmate. Got downhill and Faust and the one I all Evian good. Good results is man would Bill Bowman Bombay Bloomberg manner. That can only be one man Daniel Silva, folks, Johnny salvia. Yeah. He's gonna he's promised to give us. He's not going to give is the formation everyday. That would be giving me way too much information. Fair bucks. Yeah. This is gonna be semi regular feature. We think Johnny avid football obsessed as he as he says was lost. He's a spot mon- sport man, and he can't live without without football. And he insists on on on giving his his liking team football style formation before every stage. The the bomber Boma is kind of a center food in in Italian Il Bomba and the Bombay today was belletti. I'm best sprinter. How'd you get on eighth? Wasn't. He ate. Yeah. Not bad. Interesting to see what they what they do and draw any this year because last year, of course, famously in a break on every road stage. I think didn't correct the whole JIRA and before the race Jenny salvio said they weren't gonna try and do that again because firstly they couldn't beat it. They could only match it unless. Going to break on time char that's what he said. Indeed. Well, I don't think that's actually possible Thome Damola and tried to get an break by saying off I, but then he didn't get course, I have known since their tactics. This year will be will be somewhat different. I guess I suppose will look out for Masnada when there's some sort of language debate Amila the of but Amila. Wow. I did you know smoked ale is a specialty of or the readings more seafood. And. Yeah. In the Garibaldi today to see what we might enjoy. Enjoy the evening, whatever you like, you should eat it, really. It's it's funny stuff funny substance rating, anyway, the Jenny salvio agency now seventy one I think he's immortal. He's as Lewis, and but he's yeah. We saw him running across the square in bologna yesterday morning, quite a good lick. He goes running every morning anyways. A headband. Ios treaty. Wow. Where is the Andrea taffy my pay visor? It's missing the moment. It was definitely I definitely was in possession of the Mapei visor couple of days ago. He's coming somewhere must I hope think hope and the rest of your running kit dam on the back seat of the car possibly anyway movie on. What next what next? Well, li-. No undrawn, Joe Catholic, one of the I suppose the minor teams. We don't want to belittle them because you know, they'll probably play an important role, particularly knees. I while the first week when and there'll be days when the breakaways the only thing of any note that happens before lost twenty kilometers. We saw an interesting breakway today. Didn't we were the profound teeny rider show? Yama show being the tiny. So we talk about it. It'll show the, you know, the the incredible sort of performance someone the show the show, Harry guys translate. Anyway, he showed was you're supposed before show today. Wasn't he? Yeah. I mean, that's being notable omission from this episode because we started with oversleep Elliott Viennese died and then a bit from Chiro. So there was no tale of the top today that will make its return tomorrow. But really there was no tale to tell. What's that show? So Yama was up the road from kilometer one kilometer one hundred and forty five hundred and forty four kilometers out in front on his own. And really, well, you said it on the as we were driving down at the point where the race really was quite a long way behind Shedu. The bunch would probably hoping that you would get wriggle on preps open up a bit more of a gap and give them a proper kind of day off in the end. They had to leave him out there. He left they left him hanging as long as they could but court with still a long way to go to the finish. And then really the bunch took control of Mattis by. Not really allowing anything to get away. So strange out really for Habsi Yama that ofter well, his teammate and the other Japanese rider in the race failed to make the time on the opening day in bologna. But Lonzo talking about the the the most unsung teams here that year, Israel, Sarkisian kademi here, and they've got one very interesting right on their roster. He is a an era train Boone Swedish writer named I'll wet Gabbard emitting. I think pronunciation about sixty percent, right. And has a fascinating story because he was an asylum seeker in Sweden. He was writing fairy trae I think in two thousand thirteen world championships in Florence and instead of going home to ERI up he decided to seek asylum in Europe and he ended up in Sweden. And he's here writing the Jiro. It's been the end of of an incredible journey for him a real racks to not quite rich his yet. But certainly suddenly. An extraordinary achievement to get here to the tally. I mean a few years ago. He was when he was in Sweden just Austrade arrived. He was collecting empty bottles, and and taking them to sort of recycling bins or. The restocking machine in the super mocking and using the money that you get back. From two to buy a mountain bike, and I asked him about that this morning in Vinci and about what it means to him to be here the tiny it was an ice because to collect Waterland after two dyke. Nobody can imagine anything does people try to collect in the to to survive life. But I was doing survive life and everything and also collect for to have bike. So it was how how much do you get for bottle in Sweden? Can you remember a few cents five cents or? One button. You can you got. For the bottle one euro. So it took a long time to save up bikes and quipped I loaned them back doing it. And it was fast for me into monies? I collect two thousand euro. Yeah. In one man is one thousand. All day full guys for that. And I get motivational to do it. Because. Day. I had access to you something sometimes more. Does that? And I was not to do it. And I when I saw two I can do I can have bike. And I go for us. I was this before off the you recognized as refugee in in Sweden. In the middle of the think because I went ask us Elam. They didn't accent that because I had these retali- and after I had to stay was five million friend, and in the when I saw two months to world like they they would say, okay. And I start to do it. And. An hour. Does this feel like the end of journey you already content with riding the toddler and he's enough for you? Or do you want more from your career? And you think now that you'll be around for five more years and writing a lot of these races. Should I don't like to write these? Myeloid? What I might. He's my world Louis word. I don't like to write does Boignes around the guys in right now. I want to do some results. No more else. I want to continue for the five that we we like to also because we have story from pass. They was in Iran hundred years, so the build everything in Italia. Saul. Yeah. I'll we or do you just we are thinking, we don't know even Iraq. Does we think is when you go outside from it rents like Italian? So we knew we came here and Sweden his around in Norway's. Okay. But we were those like e that is okay. We don't know. See that is specially Mira three. And so we love because he's also started basically because of Italian near it ran towards the first racy narrative is the retrial now he's through Iran because of the English people coming in, but before it was Girotti Irit. So he's serious fish out for people wanting amazing story, he's one hundred seventy fifth overall. He's he's Israel cycling academy teammate, give them boyfriend the Canadian writer just ahead of him. The pair of them were off the back on stage to having both crashed. I think. What was strange standing out on the hill? Yesterday was to see just how many public vehicles were in basically in the race before the final broom, I came past to say that that's the racecourse closed. There were plenty of public ours in between, you know, the the last group which had CONNER done in it. And then Nico dens of AG to our who'd had I think quite heavy forward at some point. He was on his inbetween that lost group and the to Israel cycling academy riders the road closures clearly not a strict here as as would be the Twitter FRANZ because life was returning to normal within around fifteen twenty minutes of the front riders going through. But it's going to be I think a pretty tough assignment, isn't it for some couple of additive had early four and a half an hour down. I rule I fell yesterday. He said okay today. Through another state and certainly not team. You know, they think he could go most of the wave and all the way here in this in this Chiro. He's had some good results in the last couple of years in racism political. When certainly looks as I can he can hold his own as you head in interview. He's not someone who is just content to ride around and and possibly just make it to Verona. He wants to be a fighter in in this race in in some way on some day. So yeah war. So we've interest palm. Well, we'll see with a few more riders up the road tomorrow. Because you know, it's always a difficult day for everyone went on you want ROY that goes in the break, and why did no one else go with show Xiamen because if three or four other riders from wildcard teams or does the show must go on. On that note on that. No. I think it's time for us to go for dinner. We'll be back tomorrow, of course, in Phra. Scotty, we started this morning in Vinci. Birthplace of Leonardo Davinci tomorrow. We finish infra Scotty home of famous wine. But we are not something that wino- we really something different one. Excellent. Look forward to that before we go. We just like to thank some of the fringe of the podcast who along with our sponsors enabled us to cover the grand tours on a daily basis. So a big thank you to the following people who signed up his friends of the cost for twenty nineteen. And if you want to do the same to the cycling podcast dot com slash friends. 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Yale's Roach Sees a Dollar Decline of 35% Over Next 5 Years

P&L With Pimm Fox and Lisa Abramowicz

27:09 min | Last month

Yale's Roach Sees a Dollar Decline of 35% Over Next 5 Years

"Welcome to the Bloomberg markets podcast I'm Paul Sweeney along with my co-host upon equipped every business day we bring you interviews from the E. O.'s market, pros and Bloomberg experts along with essential market-moving news time to Bloomberg, markets podcast on Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to podcasts on Bloomberg Dot Com. Check in with Bloomberg opinion or joined by opinion columnists, but also much more than that. His name is Steven Roach and you'll know him from his time is former chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia also course. He's senior fellow at Yale University. Stephen WanNA. Talk to you about your call on the dollar, but I I have to ask you about these explosive John Bolton all of the. Allegations that he he didn't make when he had the chance to give testimony, but is now making an a book you know the Chinese administration possibly as well as anybody in the administration, probably much much more so do you believe the allegation that president trump pleaded with Mr she to help him win reelection by buying American agricultural products which would help president trump in farm states. You Know I. Do Not know you know the veracity of. He said she said allegations in any of this political intrigue. From you know Ukraine to Beijing he? You hear an awful lot and You know it's. It's clear that you know we. We have a president who has pushed the envelope. and his Use of political leverage to achieve, not just electoral results, but but economic results whether or not he did as. former national security advisor indicated. Utilize that. Those tactics in addressing the China conflict for political purposes in the US, it remains to be seen I mean trump deny it and Bolton, and got another point of view and you know I have no idea as to whether or not Bolton, right, or as trump says he's. He's lying YOU KNOW PRESIDENT HAS A. Inclination to stretch the truth a little bit as well as we have gathered probably eighteen thousand plus lies that have been fact checked by the Washington Post since he's been president. But you know I I just don't know. So Stephen Let's switch gears to your column here every time we have an fx strategist on ice. My first question is always give me the bear case for the US dollar and I rarely get a good answer any answer at all but I. Think you've got one force. What's your call on the US dollar? Well fortunately I'm not an fx strategist also I don't have to. Do this. For a living 'cause you know, currency calls are. Some of the toughest calls to do, but look I. Worry about an unsustainable. dynamic that is now emerging between domestic saving or the lack thereof in the US. And are chronic CARNAC count problem which requires us to borrow surplus foreign savings from abroad. We entered Cova da with historically low. Domestic savings rate of only one point four percent of national income. In early twenty twenty. Forty five year average is seven. So we're we, we have very inadequate saving and reflecting these explosive budget deficit trajectory that we're on right now. as you know the Congress and the administration addresses precipitous decline in economic activity. Are Saving is going to go into negative territory. Did that once before? In the global financial crisis, the average was a negative one point eight percent You know over the. the. Two thousand. Nine the two thousand eleven period, but it's GonNa. Go sharply negative I. Think into the you know minus five to ten percent. area and that's going to blow our current account. Deficit to a new record in x six and a half percentage GDP. The dollar serves the purpose of Setting equilibrium between savings and and You know the current count and I'm looking for a thirty five percent decline in the dollar over the next five years to address that yeah, it's a stunning coal. A thirty five percent decline in the value of the dollar that would change the US. Economy irreparably imagine now you say it's couched in terms of the comparison between the US and the currencies of Rhode. Basket of America's trading partners. Would that include the yuan will China be a trading partner in the future Stephen. Vanni I mean first of all. I mean thirty five percent. It's a big number, but you know if you look at the dollar It's moved over the you know the last forty five years we had to. We spent two drops of thirty three percent in the seventies and again in the mid eighties. We had drop a twenty eight percent. in the early two thousands these are against you know broad trade-weighted baskets of of all of our. On trading partner so this is not outside the realm. The dollar declines. We've seen in the past and it would. You know the dollar would fall against I think the Chinese, Renminbi yes, surprisingly against the the euro, the most major currency in the world. But also against you know the. the Canadian dollar of the Mexican peso, and probably even against gold and cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, so I mean this is a broad-based. Decline reflecting some serious macroeconomic imbalances. Have long been evident are going from bad to worse as we speak. Stephen Very briefly. We only have just a couple of seconds, but could China really give the US dollar a run for reserve currency. Not on the near term basis, thank. China's a long way to go to liberalize its financial system to make its currency. Fully convertible open up its capital account, and China's got issues of its own, but are reserved. Position has come down. Over the last twenty years, and it's like to go further down. with a dollar coming under the pressure that I envision. Stephen It is always a pleasure to speak with you never enough time, but we thank you for joining us. Stephen Roach is senior fellow at Yale University former chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia and Opinion Columnists to do check out his latest column. How the coming crash in the dollar will unfold for more details on our conversation just then. Looking at the market here again, this thing to step back a little bit. You think back to mid March when this all began. The market sank about thirty four thirty five percent, since retraced a lot of that move coming off the bottom, driven in large part by federal. Reserve that has really been aggressive in in putting liquidity into the market, the question now for lot investors is what's next step to help us answer that question. Lisa shallot chief officer wealth management at Morgan Stanley. They have about almost two and a half trillion dollars of client assets. She joins us on the phone Lisa. Thanks for joining us once again. What are you hearing? Great to have you. What are you hearing from your clients right now, are they? They feel like Oh. Gee I missed out on this rally or I don't believe this rally. What are you hearing? Most office most often from the Morgan Stanley clients. Yeah I think from our clients and I think it's quite typical of many private wealth client. I is a continued level of skepticism. Skepticism that that the country is quote, unquote in the clear with regard to the virus skepticism that you know. The market is reflecting the economic reality that they see on the ground, and and really skeptical about the longer. Term I mean don't forget Our typical client is is You know someone that that's probably a over fifty five over sixty and they have you know some historic perspective, and so they're asking us a lot of questions. About what are the implications longer term of this rapid money grows by the Fed of the exploding deficits and debt and so i. think that there. Is Large amounts of cash on the sidelines, which is certainly a constructive element for this market but our clients for the most part are are holding back and I think that they're waiting for a little bit more evidence that things are truly improving and that you know profits are catching up to to this market, which is anticipated a lot of recovery already. Lisa are they not then embracing the v-shaped recovery hours of and in that situation to the Fed chair. Give them a little more ammunition to not embrace thought. Yes so you know we definitely you know were writing about this. So look you know my my team and the folks on the global. Investment Committee at Morgan Stanley been trying to to lay out that narrative explain to folks and our clients that you know the way markets work is it. It's not about the level. It's all about rates of change, and it's all about upside surprises, and if you get positive rates of change and upside surprises, markets tend. Tend to go up and climb the wall of worry that having been said you know when you have a fed that comes out and says hey, you know we don't think that that the economy is going to be back to where it was in January twenty twenty until the end of twenty twenty two I, mean my goodness, two and a half years from now That's a pretty sobering statement from the Fed, and I think you know. For folks who are more conservative who sat in the bond market trying to take shelter, probably heard those messages and said you know Holy Gosh you know he did. The Fed doesn't think we're going to get out of this anytime soon. So where? What are you suggesting to your clients that they as they think about perhaps even allocating some new capital, is that a typical sixty forty allocation? Are you perhaps be a little bit more cautious? No, so we're on the other side of that so again you know we're trying to encourage. Folks embraced through the what we have learned through You know our history of investing in markets, and that is that you know bull markets bear markets tend to end when recessions begin, the recession began. In February, and we believe we're in the process of forming a bottom in this recession, and the market is setting up for a new bull market, and that bull market is probably going to behave the way others have coming out of a recession, which is a preference for early cyclicals, things like financial nostrils, materials, transports, energy, and those. Those are the types of areas that are not excessively overvalued today about where we do think that there's upside surprised that could come, and so we are encouraging. Folks to take some risk here and balance those conservative portfolios, many of which on the stock side have been loaded up with the usual names, and you all know what they are the. Tech stocks very briefly, though Lisa. If it's not your typical recession, then will the market perform in the typical post recession way after this? so I guess my response to that is there's never a typical recession. And so while the economic composition of every every single recession is different, and where the access is, and where the stress points are, and where the victims are, is always different. The market playbook tends to be very very very similar and that's what we're trying to tell clients is yes, you know maybe in the last recession we were worried about financials and housing in the one before that we were worried about The tax bracket you know perhaps this one we're worried about you know parts of consumer, discretionary and retail defer structurally impaired but nevertheless going to have an economic recovery and the markets probably A. Similar ways these. Thanks for joining us this morning. That's LISA CHARLOTTE CIO of wealth management at Morgan Stanley of course, client assets there totaling nearly two and a half trillion dollars, so a lot of money to put to work. This podcast is brought to you by manscaping. Who has the best men's grooming tools to get the job done? FELLAS listen up manscaping accidents or thing of the past get. Get yourself man scape perfect package three point. Oh, inside, you'll find products like their lawnmower three point. 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View how much heft does John Bolton have as a critic of president trump I mean he's always been a man of a little bit of bluster from time to time partial to some dramatic moments you could say. Will it have an impact on concrete things like polling voters? I think this is why the book is so sensational and why people are taking these allegations seriously that you know Bolton has enormous credibility as a hook He is an Uber Hoke on China on North Korea on on you know when he has a record of of administered of of being in successive Republican administrations I mean this. This is not some liberal tossing AC accusations that at at trump, this is somebody who was by his side as his national security director for seventeen months, and he was privy to the compensation of many of the conversations that he had with heads of state. All over the world including China's Xi Jinping. Let's go there Andy. An interesting excerpts I've read about. President trump. Effectively begging for China to buy a farm products US farm products to improve presence from chances with those farm states in the election. What what are your takeaways on the aspects of the book that have been reported as it relates to China? It's absolutely devastating I. If what Bolton is saying is true. It is absolutely devastating for Donald Trump I mean a major plank in his reelection campaign was supposed to be tough on China. In contrast to Joe Biden who opposed to be feckless and weak, and in fact, the account of John Bolton shows a US president. WHO's a pushover in almost every on almost every issue in the US China relationship that math is. is whether that's national security whether that's trade whether that's human rights, whether that's Hong Kong across as an as you say, an absolute supplicant begging she paying to by us, agricultural products so that he could win the next election if Don bolden the felt so strongly about this, though and felt that these revelations were is so explosive as to really answer the president's credibility. Why didn't he testify in the impeachment proceedings? Exactly I mean that's a good point, and clearly that that's that's why he's weak, and that's why the Democrats are hopping mad, so I mean his his his accusation against the the the Democrats that they focus their impeachment too narrowly own, Ukraine if only they had no about the the breadth of this You know To basically sell American interests and in return full private political favor that you know this might have got. The president impeached so I mean if he had all this. Why didn't he dish jury? The impeachment process and instead of waiting his lucrative book contract two million bucks with Simon and Schuster, so it does it does to. An extent undermined the his central. AC, accusations. So Andy relates to China. What do you think the Chinese? Are Rooting for in the November presidential election, do they? What former years of President Donald Trump I think that'd be very happy to have another four years of Donald. Trump I. mean you know? This is this is they had pegged him right from this dot as a leader who would be susceptible to inducements. To flattery he was a businessman. He was transactional and according to Bolton's account. That is precisely the way things have have out, and it's not just my opinion. We have some very good reporting out of out of our Beijing, bureau You know Piedmont and a wrote a story he'd. He'd interviewed a whole bunch of of senior current and retired Chinese government officials. They said we want trump and the reason they cited is that trump undermines us? alliances, and that is the one thing that the. The Chinese fear that is their biggest to them. Their biggest threat is the US alliance structure, and of course mean these true what Alton says this sort of trump's actual nature putting everything on the table including quiet way including Z t e including the week is just tossing at all until the into the in into the Paul, subsuming everything to getting a trade deal and trading relations with with with China this is deeply corrosive of the trust that means US alliance if all around the world including Asia. Maybe a little cynical, but it doesn't make it more likely that we actually get a trade deal with China now because both sides will be sort of a falling over themselves to prove the there was the. Backroom dealings, and therefore you know the two countries can get on well in public again. It's it's. It's really hard to read I mean we've just had this meeting in Hawaii between You know cigarettes, they don't Pay Oh and young JETRO China's talk. diplomats you know trade with and and trade trade would have been on the table. We don't really know what the outcome of those talks was. All the it doesn't appear. To have to have a achieve anything that looks like a breakthrough, these nothing that either side have announced. It's also notable by the way that roll lighthizer chief US trade negotiator has denied some of the more explosive claims that the John Bolton made in his book. Yeah and those China claims were just the beginning of. And our thanks to you. Andy Brown editorial director for Bloomberg New Economy for joining us there Bolton, saying trump not fit for office and likes the competence to serve as president in part because he solely focused on his political fortunes I. Don't know many presidents for that's not a priority either though. We've been reporting this morning a historic day. from the Supreme Court on the immigration issue divided US Supreme Court stopped President Donald Trump from ending the Obama era program that shields set six hundred, seventy, thousand young undocumented immigrants from deportation, and lets them seek jobs the Dick down. We're very fortunate to have our good friend June grasso join US June as a legal analyst and host of Bloomberg Law here that weekdays at ten PM Wall Street time. Jim Thanks so much for joining us here. Your quick thoughts on this five four decision the Supreme Court. Well this is the second time this week that the court has ruled against the trump administration, and this is a case where justice chief justice John. Roberts sided with the four liberals in the court, so it's a five to four decision. And he basically said that no one's arguing that the trump administration could terminate the DACA program. Everyone agrees it can, but they went about it in the wrong way. They didn't provide a reason. Reason explanation for why they were doing this. The way they acted was arbitrary and capricious. This is a decision that we have been waiting for. It's it's the decision that we've been waiting for the longest. It was argued early in the term, so you see it took a long time because there are so many different opinions is not only the descent and the majority. There're concurrence. currencies impart descents in part. It's really complicated. So the line that I took from June was. The appropriate recourse is therefore to remind dhs reconsider the problem a new. Does this mean that the Department of Homeland? Security will actually consider it. Make better arguments and the supreme. Court won't have any objection at that point well, they could do that. This is what the chief said. You can take it back again and you can redo it, but the thing is. That would take a long time because they'd have to come up with some reason explanation, they'd have to follow the rules, so it's unlikely they could. Could do that within the end of the trump term. If he's elected to a second term, they can try to do that and come up with better explanations that will satisfy the court that they've really thought this through, but this sort of remind you of the census case where the Supreme Court's kicking it down the road, saying okay, you guys take it back now. We're done with this and we'll see what you do next so June. Four legal analysts like yourself and Supreme Court watchers. How surprising if at all is it that a Justice Roberts voted here. Well I thought it was surprising. This was a case that we didn't really have an inkling of how it was going to go another words. The case earlier this week on lgbt rights that was a case where during the oral arguments you could sort of tell that justice gorsuch might be leaning in the direction of. Gay. Rights, however with this case. It was very hard to tell what was going on, so I was very surprised I think a lot of people were very surprised that also it's always surprising when you see. That chief justice. John Roberts is now swing. Vote that Anthony Kennedy was and in the two cases this week. He sided with the three liberals. Yeah I mean. There's a whole range of things to be surprised as not least that this was a five four decision as well June. Remind, US exactly how many people and who were talking about these dreamers, almost seven hundred thousand kids that were born here. That would have had to leave if this wasn't upheld. Right and President Barack Obama started this program that allows them to continue to work and find a way towards citizenship. President Trump said that it was not within his legal. Authority. President Obama's legal authority. Have this program, so he ended it so right now. The dreamers have been in this sort of no man's land for so many months and right now they can go on with the program. They can re up for more of the program. They can feel comfortable that they're not going to be deported. And that's the big thing. There was this question of whether if the Supreme Court had said that this Daca decision was absolutely right in the trump could go ahead. Then the question was would these six hundred, seventy, seven hundred thousand young immigrants. Be deported and some of them remember don't even speak another language. They've been here so long. They are American citizens. Most of them are well employed so. It would be really it would be torturous debate, and it would really be controversial thing that would again 'cause you know disruptions in the country and I guess if if gone the other way than the potential was there for literally seven hundred thousand. All but American in name KIDS TO BE DEPORTED Asap just as Thomas Samuel Alito Neal Gorsuch Brad Kavanagh dissenters. Yes now. Clarence Thomas Justice Thomas said that this was an effort to avoid a politically controversial, but legally correct decision, so he said this would bind future administrations to what? Prior Presidents do an executive order, so think about all the executive orders that president trump has. Written and issued. Should the next president be bound by those? But of course that's that's of the legal issue, but. Chief Justice Roberts said that that's not really the case because it's just a question of how they did it. And this happens all the time to the trump administration and the courts on environmental issues. 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UFC Fight Night 143 Cejudo vs. Dillashaw Preview & Picks with Christian Pina

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UFC Fight Night 143 Cejudo vs. Dillashaw Preview & Picks with Christian Pina

"Our next segment here on this Friday edition of the book radio. We'll talk some UFC with Christian Pena from the sports gambling podcasts. Christian also wrote a very extensive UFC fight one forty three preview for us over at bang, the book dot com. So I definitely encourage you to check that out but good to get him on the show here. Very insightful guest. Very smart. Good analysis in the UFC's. Hopefully, you enjoy this one. The sound quality is different. It is better. We had to record on Skype for this one. And I will be seeing in the future. We can do some more of these types segments with our guests that do have that capability, but in any event here is this. You have see fight night one forty three segment with Christian. Pena of the sports gambling podcast art, I'm joined now by Christian Pena from the sports gambling podcast where to chat about UFC fight one forty three in Brooklyn, New York Christian. How's it going today? Man, good, man. It is finally letting up with the rain in what is usually sunny Las Vegas out here. So the weather's finally living leveling off, man. In Vegas is in full swing especially NFO playoffs are foot in more importantly for this this programming. We have UFC's I ESPN televised event in to look back. It kind of where the sport has been. You know, I it was a legal in New York. They couldn't be at Madison Square Garden just a few. I mean, essentially, a number of months ago at this point to getting, you know, mainstream coverage on ESPN, is is pretty awesome to see how the sport is grown in what they're up to kind of bring in the next generation of fans that will be tuning in on ESPN for the first time. Arthur, honestly, I saw a little bit different here. We're recording this over Skype as opposed to using blog talk radio in their switchboard. And all that. So you know, if you're wondering why this sounds different. And quite frankly, why this sounds better. That's the reason why. But no Christian you mentioned it here UFC transitioning from FOX over to ESPN now, and you'll even know this is a fight night guard, and even though, you know, the next pay per view card. You have to thirty three. It was cancelled still a very good foot forward for. ESPN with this fight night broadcast. It's a very good guard. Yeah. And again, you're talking about you different sets, a fancier right in the diehards are are going to go wherever the product is whether that be fight pass with pay per view, FOX. But you're going to be looking to of pull in somebody. Who's watching a college hoops game prior to and they see you see in their TV guide for the first time or whatever. And so from from that perspective, you know, UFC has always been very famous for kind of how they staggered their events. Once a once a year in the summer, there's a marquee event, you know, arced St. bay and in Ghana where the DC Jones fight it's Vegas event. It's in the summer. So traditionally when the UFC doesn't have. The football competition all type of stuff is when they usually go full full foot forward. But in this case with the first event of the new year starting out on ESPN. They really did a great job kind of telling the story of how you have see come about through this card, which I think was maybe, you know, maybe that's the nerd in me, but you know, changes and new beginnings in showcases some fresh new fighters while, you know, I don't say paying homage, but you know, giving guys that maybe a casual UFC fan will know like Donald ceremony in the mix as well. So there's really something for everyone within these this group of five cards, and we'll talk about that a little bit. As we go forward here. And you do have a preview for this fight card over it bang, book dot com. I certainly encourage everyone to go and check that out, but this championship made event here Henry pseudo taking on T J dillashaw. And this is one of those rare instances where the champion in this division is a pretty clear cut underdog. Yeah. And again, this one is is very unique wanna. When I talk about politics and kind of how this fight came about the thing with with T J dillashaw in this fight dillashaw really warrant to cement his legacy. He wanted to be a class champion follow in the footsteps of Daniel Cormie of Karna McGregor. Most recently, of course, Amanda denudes. So this was always something he wanted. The problem is the UFC is disbanding are getting rid of their flyweight division. I'm enter their champion, Henry pseudo. They kind of did all this without really notifying him his his camp if you will. And so we were left with this in whether this was going to happen at one thirty five so who would just drop the bell? They'd find at one thirty five in you'd have your definite winner there. So there was a bunch of different avenues where you know, at what way class this could take place up, but you're getting it at one twenty five in you're getting I mean, when you talk about TJ dillashaw really a chance to make that case review. But one of the most underrated fighters in this generation of fighters this up and coming fighters in its. You know, the thing about dillashaw is he so exciting to watch four casual fans, which is really why think they, you know, they're pretty happy that things broke this way that they got this event to showcase him. Very exciting. Throws things that you know, you don't see coming that the nocco power. And when we look at this, you know, from around perspective rob being set at four and a half instead of a two and a half, even three and a half Jews towards the over. Obviously the line we kind of tell you that they're expecting a decision. But when you break down what dillashaw and even so who knows been able to do dillashaw has ended exactly half of his UFC fights via either nocco in a twenty percent via submission seventy percent Finnish rate on the other side who does one forty two percent of his fights via knockout none by submission. So when you look at this. I mean, simple math will tell you the two and a half minute. Mark of the fourth round puts you at twenty to thirty. You look at their average fight time inside the octagon dillashaw clocking in at twelve. Twenty six pseudo comes in at thirteen forty two. So I think an Under Armour signing under an exciting finish, which I think what you have see in an ideal world would have. In their first main event on this new ESPN deal. I think is much more likely than the odds may be tell the story of here and against the Hutu off, you know, the biggest win of of anyone's career against possibly the grace of all time to meet your Johnson couldn't have asked for a better main event for for a free fight night card, of course, in a champion rice. Champion matchup now is a general rule about UFC. And I mean, I've written the previews of bang the book dot com, and I've tried to, you know, look for a little context clues. And we'll talk about some of the ones that I've used in the past a little bit later on the show, but know for dillashaw here with the change in weight class. I mean is it easier to go down than it is to go up. Is there any sort of, you know, angle regarding dillashaw going to flyweight here. Yeah. It's definitely easier to go up without question. Now, there's you know, there's pros and cons to both look when you go up away class you'd have to make sure that you're putting on quote, unquote, good weight rather than just eating cake for, you know, five six meals a day. There's a very, you know, there's m major enlisted suffer joke. There's a good. Good. You know, call it one fifty five and there's a bad one fifty five or they're moving up to whatever the case may be so that certainly presents its own challenges. But when you're talking about moving down away class, you're talking about literally dehydrating your body to the point of exhaustion, in some cases, passing out and even death. I mean, the viral video of cyborg trying to make that weight, I think is still fresh in some of the tractors of mixed martial arts minded, and that's very real obstacle. That these guys are in women are putting themselves through. So it's definitely easier to go up to make sure you're doing it. The right time much more physically draining any mentally draining to go down or those segment the heavyweight fight here. Greg hardy, I mean by now everybody knows the background. And of course, the fact that he's on this card with Rachel ostrich. I mean, that's something that's gotten a lot of running and deservedly. So is this just a gimmick to have Greg hardy on this card or I mean is there something to his future? Yeah. I mean, so again for anyone that doesn't know speaking to the racial institutional will break. That down in the page vans in portion, but effectively she was hospitalized from a domestic abuse from her husband back in November. So if you're wondering what the insensitive is obviously Greg hardy his own domestic abuse issues here. And look he said that is this a publicity stunt is this whatever. Well, look at the end of the day. This is. I wanna say what had to be done. But this is a way to attract fans, whether you hate him or you love, I'm sure there's going to be the vocal minority that are going to call for the boycott in. You don't I want to really stick to you know, inside the octagon version of Greg hardy when you look at this, look he has grasped this sport quicker than anyone maybe in a long time in another fighter comes to mind, and Eric Anders who was obviously on the national championship winning Alabama team. But again got too much too soon illegal mature to kinda gave his first loss and things haven't been the same for him. But when you look at what Greg hardy he's been able to accomplish on the ultimate fighter. Now, the ultimate fighter is not the US octagon against you have see rostered fighters. So please don't make that mistake, but he has been flat out dominant. He has been knocking out everyone. I in his grasp look, here's the deal though, with this fight in this lied being as big as it is titled touching minus six hundred and some places the US's clearly pushing him in rushing him for the spot because of who he is in and they wanna show. Oh case not only who he is. But what he is capable of in. This is a nocco artists may make no mistake. Here's the problem in his UFC career. He has less than three minutes inside a UFC octagon in his career. So no one really knows. What could happen if you know, Alan Crowder is able to weather that storm in at least taken into the second round at this point and go from there, and so sometimes within the UFC in UFC handicap, and you have to make bets with a long-term perspective in you, don't, you know, it's you certainly don't want to be laying this type of number with such an unproven fighter. And again, not that I'm ever going to compare Stephen Roach is to Alan Crowder. But we saw what happens with fighter nocco artists. Like a Francis. In Ghana when they weren't able to hit that shot in gas themselves out. Now Crowder is certainly not the wrestler that Steve coaches. I don't think anyone is. Nobody's saying that. It's just use that illustrates the point of when a fighter isn't able to execute. Their game plan, especially in the heavyweight division throwing especially heavy enough. This one is but every it's just the more. You aren't able to kind of, you know, hit that shot that minus six hundred that could get very very hairy very very quickly. No massing to go put a bit on Crowder. It's just I would you know, if forced to given the line, I would because who's to say that Crowder can't use what little experience he has to at least get hardy into a little deeper waters gas out in at least, you don't knows what a UFC octagon feels like while hardy does not yet aren't. So let's look at the rest of the main card here, and this is on ESPN plus for those that are interested in checking out this fight card on Saturday night. Any of these other flights on the main card stand out as a good betting opportunity in your mind? Yeah. So when we when we break down this look Gregor Glaspie, probably the best fighter in the US that nobody knows about lying. A little out of reach at minus five fifty. Let's talk about the awesome ish page, vans and fight. Look, the, you know, there's no doubt if you're betting on Greg hardy your bidding at the top of the market off. Of dominant ultimate fighter performances with a fight like this page man's antibody dollar fifty in the marketplace right now, look at some point, you know, I almost feel bad for page fans. Adam and God, it's weird thing for me to say that about her right diehard fans are never going to give her any respect because of what she looks like she's absolutely gorgeous. She's beautiful and the girl can scrap look page in didn't have the opportunities to kind of cut her teeth on a regional scene because of what she looks like she was forced to kind of develop have the UFC hype machine behind her and be put into I mean, when you look at the quality of opponent that page bandannas fi-, it's a murderer as row look rose Nabi Yunus champion, Michelle Waterson. Bec Rawlings, Jessica rose. Clark yen, always losses. But she vans and broke her arm was hanging on by thread in the Jesse rose. Clark fight instill finished it. So you can't knock her too much. And at the end of the day. She's twenty four years old. So she just has in the narrative on someone like vans in has just fall. When it's just swung. So far the other direction, and when you look at a girl that Greece lost a bitch. Look, she's a one on one fighter in the USC. The it bears mentioning what she has gone through again in November. She was hospitalized after being beaten by her husband in stylistically. This is a really good up for a girl like vans in and if you're into kind of the, you know, the the narrative of what you have see wants to happen. It's page van Zandt they want her to have this victory. When the is one all is at ESPN are on her. She's definitely the most beautiful girl in the sport. And she scrappy in. So she could be a face of a fly weight division. It's a very good stylistically matchup for page van Zandt. She's far more in a way, the battle-tested fighter. She's never going to quit on you for your money in a lot of times in the USC. You can't ask for much more than somebody. That's win to go out there and die for your bet and certainly page prove that allows fight fighting with a broken arm so page vans ended a dollar fifty makes a lot of center a little bit of a discount line there for sure. Now, given the the level of competition that she's faced. I mean, do you have any thoughts of her finishing this one? Or is it, you know, with the line that's out there in the total two and a half very heavily juice to the over minus two twenty five over at the do you think she finishes this inside the distance or do you think at this probably goes to the cards? Yeah. There was a run in two thousand eighteen where women's fights were affected. Really? It was like forty five in seven was the crazy run towards the over two and a half look vans in has a little your hall in her game spinning back fist spinning back kicks. I mean, she can pull some things out. You know, God bless her. She has that finish from anywhere mentality. And again, I must sing that. She's the most talented in the world, she's just being tremendously overlooked and undervalued because of who she has fought, and she's obviously not on that upper echelon, but against the garlic recent loss of which twenty nine twenty decision very much the most likely about comes here. But again, she's thrown she has shown the propensity to be able to finish a fight. No matter if they're coasting if they're Jerry boxing. She got a little of your hall and or game, and that's a very good thing to have in in your arsenal. And this women's finally division before we transition over the pre limb card Joseph bene- Vitas, Dustin Ortiz Glover to share a call Rogerson anything either one of those fights that you want to mention here on the segment. I mean, honestly, look again five division being disbanded benefit as probably one of the greatest fights of all time. Dustin Ortiz savvy veteran in his on right? The look this fight happened to happen. Not too long ago back in twenty fifteen I believe and not not much has changed. That was a believer thirty twenty-seven Vitas decision. And when you look at you know, fights that have already happened and rematches are honestly, my favorite fight to handicap the second or third time around in the UFC because you can see you know, how they stylistically match up. You know, when you are when you handicapped, you have see look at, you know, fighter ex you'll you try to find an opponent that does is very similar to the current opponent. That's kind of how you start right? And so when you seen the exact fight play out, if nothing has changed whether it be age, whether it be injury, and again, you know, been some some injuries both their careers for sure, but not much has changed Vitas has the wrestling edgy as the grappling edge. She the more well rounded guy, especially in the judiciary department. Look he's as last legs. I don't know. I don't know really where these guys go from here. They're too good to be released. They can move to one thirty five they could go to Bella or they do have options this benefit. I mean, look the the line is very fair to at minus two and a quarter here over under three and a half or three oh five I think Ben Evita's by decision. Prop makes them says to reduce some of that juice at just this one's pretty simple to me we've seen how it played out. Neither fighter has really changed. So as pretty cut and dry and on the other one, look, if you're a global share a fan, which I know a lot of people are this lines. A little disrespectful really is that only minus a dollar and a quarter. The question is over to share a done. And when you have those questions, you're effectively wagering on a ticking time bomb, and that's not something. I really want to get involved in. Longterm book Roberson he's coming in on short notice moving up away class. I don't know if he's the fighter to kind of you don't stop to share in this spot on the lens, low disrespectful. Your I it's almost you know, the, quote unquote, fishy line of the night for short is this one in for those reasons that one's definitely pass to me. So let me ask you about this short notice, you know, obviously, it doesn't really help the fighter who's on short notice because they don't have a ton of time to prepare. But also, you know, if you're Glover to share you've been preparing for one guy now, you wind up getting a different guy may I guess for lack of a better term, a situational handicapping mindset. Yeah. And again, we see this again in the prelims of Corey San Hagen who's over minus five hundred favor against Mario Batista's supposed to fight Jon Winokur. I wrote about this. I linked in the preview. This is look we have seen this time and time again where a short notice replacement comes in and wins. It was on a very nice run in two thousand eighteen and here's the mindset I could liken it to maybe an NFL situational handicapping scheduling spot. Right. So it's your. Down spot. You've been preparing for a huge fight Santa Higgins fight with Lineker was a little bit different than the two sheriff fight because Lineker certainly the biggest test of Senate Hagen's career. But when you look at the share one, I it's very real. And again, I wrote about this. So I won't go too far into it here. But we've seen it time and time again when a short notice, let's say less than caliber opponent on steps into that fighter. You know, the original fighter takes them lightly, and you can never take anyone lightly. This is mixed martial arts with four ounce gloves. Anything could happen. So very real situation. Handicap has to go into that for sure. Art. So I'll call this the main event of the preliminary card this is on ESPN. So you don't have to subscribe for this. It's just right on ESPN, Donald Sironi and Alexander Hernandez. And you know, if you've been watching Surani odds, and like I said, I've been writing these previews Surani just seems like after each event he just becomes a bigger underdog. And it's pretty clear that he's in the twilight of his career, I would say, and I think we see that a little bit here with the line for this fight whereas opponent Hernandez in the minus two dollar ranch. Yeah. Look, this is UFC we've this and they're very well. This is new beginnings. This is the old guard in the new guard here look at this point of ceremonies career. It's almost a disservice to call him a gatekeeper. But I think if you had called, you know, if you call that to his face he would love that. This is the way that some people play golf Saronic fights in a cage. This is his happy place, quote, unquote. And on the other side you look at Alexander Hernandez. I mean, a white hot prospect kind of caught the world. By storm in his debut match against venue Darrow. She's over three to one favorite and more importantly in my eyes followed that up with a great decision win against been mercy. So he not only shocked the world and showed that he was here. But he maintained that which to me is more important and definitely as important as that initial nocco victory where things can happen inside a cage. Look, the the unique thing about this fight is Sironi is dropping back down a week class year, which she fought it for years and years and years, but if you remember there was a very real possibility. It looked at this way class when fifty five that he was going to retire. He lost a bunch of fights. And he just did not look like he could continue. He moved up away class in. He reinvented himself. I believe he won three or four straight fights in maintained that, you know, what the UFC's most active fighter of all time most fights. And again, the most wins. So you can never ever countdown Surani out here. This kid is for real though. And I've been a fan of Alexander Hernandez for a very. Longtime in truth had a little piece of Emma in his debut at three one over Bonilla dares. Just because if you've watched his regional tape he was dominating guys. And I just thought that again that was I believe a short notice replacement as well that you know, felt that he was being overlooked in that spot the line was just a little too big. He has tremendous finishing power. He's Chris he's clean. He's fluid. He's everything that you want the next face of this division to be. And so, you know, it's not a winning prospect to bet against on Surani a lot that being said, I think this is a situation where it's definitely the favourite or Paseo in to do more. I think that the over one and a half at minus one forty five makes a ton of sense here. I think that's thrown hasta respect that nocco power while Hernandez going to respect the crafty veteran that Sironi isn't he this one's going to be at distance. And I think this will probably ends up on the scorecards if not a late, you know, third round finish body kept body kick type of situation from Hernandez here. But this to me is something of a changing of the guard. What the UFC wants to have happen here. Isn't it? Citing Alexander Hernandez victory where this could be the resume builder to start giving Alexander Hernandez top ten potentially done top five fights this. They they are very much behind Alexander Hernandez, the UFC hype machine tends to be well. And that's something that I kinda picked up on because I'm not, admittedly. I'm not a big UFC guy. I don't scout. It I don't study. It the way that you do and you've done a phenomenal job breaking down the card here on this segment. And also in that preview over a bang book dot com, but that's something that I've always looked for is. You know, these people are not stupid that book the matches. I mean, they know where they need to promote somebody where somebody needs to pick up a name win over somebody who's on the back side of his or her career. And we see these opportunities. It's just a matter of, you know, the price following suit. Absolutely. And again when you look at Sironi in his, you know, resume in what he's done. He only loses to the best of the best in everyone else. He takes care of me. And you talking about losing guys like Leon Edwards? Okay. Darren 'til mass. Paul Raphael dough Sanyo's Anthony Pettus. I mean, the the Ryan Bater fights obviously little controversial. But that's the definition of a gatekeeper. If your top five top seven, maybe top ten Sironi, usually he is the measuring stick in this division. And again, you talk about these showcase fights just because the prices may be paying a little bit of a premium for it. And again, not to say that this is a showcase fight by any stretch in the way that the Greg hardy fight is it's just a good stylistic matchup for a young up and comer that they can start to market and against Surani. Only lose ten times in a row. It doesn't matter. People are still gonna love him. He's still always going to have a home in the UFC because he's given so much the UFC and so much to the sport. He can withstand this loss be fine in everyone. It's a win win. All around cowboy gets paid Hernandez gets to build his resume and move on to bigger and better things. Well, and this also cycles back to the vans, and the fans aunt thing that you mentioned where you know, she's the most gorgeous face in the sport and transitioning over to ESPN, it makes a lot of sense to have her front and center and looking. Really good. So again, you can find some of these betting angles throughout the year here with the UFC cards. And of course, we'll expand on these similar with Christian as we go throughout twenty nine thousand nine but before lunch go man anything else on the pre limb card that kinda catches your attention. Yeah. In just one last thing on that. Again. That's not the end all be all look if the UFC was WWE, Ronda Rousey would never have lost Conor McGregor would never you know, Naganuma probably would have won. So that's just one part of it. But when we looked on the card here towards the prelims here. Nice little mid-size underdog here, and blah Muhammad someone that I've been a fan of for a very very long time here. Nice four fight winning streak. The really the opposite of Amir's coming our four fight losing streak going up against Jeffrey Neal Muhammed plus one thirty five here. This matchup to me is fascinating. And it's really a coin flip. I'm sorry. I want to sound like I'm that can convicted in the fact that my is gonna take this win. I just think the line value here for essentially what I feel is a coin flip fight to get you know, an extra forty cents. I think really makes a difference law. The term here whoever can really implement their game plan and fight accu- are the keys to success for for this fight here. Muhammed pushes he wants a very slow pace. He wants to slow down the pace he wants to thirty bucks. He's the ultimate point fighter for anyone. That's a fan of guys like Sergio pedestal beautiful, you know, benefit as beautiful point point fighting style. Muhammad is a version of that he has no finishing power all four of those wins. I have been by decision and on the opposite side, you have Geoffrey Neal who wants to push a fast paced make you make one mistake and come over the top with the big left off for the knockout. And so it's fascinating to me. See how you know which fighter it which fight Q is going to kind of rain supreme here. If it's Mohammed being able to thirty box this up against the cage slow the pace down or if it's Geoffrey Neal who gets charged forward on it make this a sloppy slugfest where he can lend that one big left into me, the price point at Neil might as one sixty five for a guy like that is just a little bit unwarranted a little bit disrespectful of the four fight win streak of blah Muhammed. So definitely worth the investment at plus the plus plus money on blah Muhammad, Christian Pino, who's working and find at gambling podcast and on Twitter at Christian pinup P. I N A really appreciate the time at thank you so much good to have you here as part of our bang book family, and we'll talk again real soon. Absolutely. Can't take you for the opportunity. We'll talk to. I'm Jay Farner, CEO of Quicken Loans, America's premier home purchase lender. We've created a new way to protect you from unpredictable interest rates are exclusive rate shield approval. 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First Anniversary Show!

Cracking the Code of Spy Movies!

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First Anniversary Show!

"This is Dan Sylvestry and Tampa's Outta am spy movie navigator Dot. COM and we're one year old now. L. Girl little older, but our website and podcasts and video shows cracking. The code of spy movies is a year-old. Join us. We celebrate, and we thank you for getting us here. We'll hear from a couple of our listeners and colleagues. Good morning, Mister Sylvestry and Mr Zodda the menu are listening to his John Cork. WHO's reliably learned from sources that spy movie navigator and the podcast cracking the code aspire? These is celebrating its one year anniversary. Your mission. Should you decide to accept? It is to continue to entertain an illuminate on the subject of the spy. Genre, As always should either of you. Or any member of Your Sim in team be called. Mispronouncing names are incorrectly citing film titles the Secretary Will Disavow knowledge of your errors. This audio file will unfortunately not self-destructing five seconds. Happy the anniversary. All right John. Thank you, John You got to know John Kirk is. He's an amazing guy. He's a very cool guy and he's co-authored three James Bond books including the James Bond Encyclopedia. And a couple of others James Bond the legacy and bond girls are forever. He did that one with actually marry him. Dabo and combine these books sold over three hundred thousand copies, but he. Says that's not bad. He's just a great guy. He's got a multimedia company with offices in both California and in Florida. If you own like James Bond, ultimate edition sets of the movies you'll, you'll notice the special features discs with have a lot of interviews with stars and things like that and special features, a lot of that was produced and directed by John. Cork Cork again. Great Guy. He owns clover land. That's the name of his company the Multimedia. Company and we thank you John so much now. The reason this is a great message in time smiling while the this is a little inside joke here that he gave us. John and I spoke on the phone. Just after we recorded, and without the thirty nine steps podcast, and and he said to me Dan mispronounced the name of Robert Donut. The STAR! And I just did it again on purpose. He said it's not Robert Dot. E corrected me and said Robert Donuts. Anniversary. Is Right on. Thank you John. That was great. Ever really was thanks John. So June seventeenth, two thousand nineteen is when we launched the day before Barbara, Broccoli's birthday, and we've been rolled over the last year to put out forty four podcasts which have been downloaded in forty five states in the United States in about sixty six countries throughout the world is pretty cool. I'm just shocked when I see that, thank you, everybody, thank you so much. We focus on the spy movies from the classics like the thirty nine steps, which generally regarded as the I spy movie released in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, five to modern day spy movies, including of course, James. Bond mission impossible born. We've done some hitchcock's by movies. Some kids spy movies and a whole lot more. But we don't just do movies. We spy movie topics. We've had fun putting together and recording podcast for things like James. Bond is despised with Sherlock. Holmes is two detectives. One. We have what I love. This title James Bond is like Coca Cola. Which is why for bond? It's no time to die. You've gotTA listen to it. It's a really interesting taste of fun with it's. It's a fun on the no time to die movie and bringing a little coca-cola history into the podcast. So it's it's. It's a fun. We also have a bunch of podcasts on the no time to die trailers. Unfortunately, we're here and waiting for November for them to release this hopefully after the coronavirus pandemic, so we put out a bunch of no time, trailers and videos, and we did podcasts on those we also did a podcast on the title song from no time to die, which they released right before the pandemic it. We also did one on team Fukunaga and Waller Bridge. This no time to die Dream Team, work. Kind of an interesting question, will they work for us? We talk about that in the podcast. We even have a couple of podcast on examining the original Ian Fleming manuscripts which Dan and I did. When we visited the Indiana University's Lilly Library they own eleven of the Fleming Type Manuscripts with his handwritten edits is task. It was it was just amazing. Read the words and see how he scratch things out and change things. As as he was writing. A piece or touching the pages that Ian Fleming typed in Jamaica and then hand written, and it's it was that was. That was a heck of a trip. was. We doing that? We did to podcasts on it. Because it was too long to do one podcast, and we also have podcasts on spy movie locations that we've visited to yeah, I mean. We're always looking for connections between SPY MOVIES WHICH? have influenced others and similar ideas seen in multiple spy movies, so we have a lot of podcasts where we're connecting all of these different pieces, and also how real world events and historical stuff finds its way into spy movies. We actually have two podcasts out on the real world stuff already. They're really fun to listen to had a lot of great feedback on them. We've done videos on spy movie locations as well as compiled fun videos like the top twelve uses of lasers and spy movies, and we did another one on. Where did mission impossible? Come up with the idea for that volt seen? That's a cool one. We've got three different movies in that one, and it's pretty cool. And we visited and filmed. The Spice Gapes by museum in New York City interviewing the GM there and we did a nice little video on real art collectibles, which is a great movie. Memorabilia shop in Illinois, and it's got tons and tons of movie memorabilia. Stuff in there and all great funds, things and a lot of spy movie stuff. We've enjoyed our first year and we're looking forward to more. And you! Our listeners have enjoyed it as well. We've got a few comments besides what you're going to hear throughout today podcast in terms of the audio recordings. Here's a nice little quote. We got from one of our listeners Eddie. He said you're the men with the MIDAS touch engaging and fun as always a Eddie. Thank you. And then we had Shane reached out and said just a shout out. You guys are killing lately with the great podcasts. We love getting that feedback. It really helps. Keep US going. It's great to hear from you, so let's hear for more of you out there. Let us know what's going on. We're GONNA. Go to a another audio clip here from the double o files are. Are Friends out in the Netherlands, and if you haven't heard podcast I've got a really good one. The double o files Hello Tom and Dan. This dones adamant from the double files. Congratulations on your very first anniversary, and what a year it has been a lover. You put spy in general at the center of your show where we've focused pretty much solely on James Bond. Bond medicine possible, just born Alfred Hitchcock can even the reasons animated films highs in disguise which a have to admit I enjoyed more than I should have. And besides that you visit iconic locations. You're living the good life and you even record well. You're there Tom and Dan I salute you for Jimmy Bring something new to the community, and your show is always a pleasure. Pleasure Happy Happy Birthday! Cheers, guys, thanks so much, yeah! Grand Test Don the rest of your crew out there there's for you guys all together and we really appreciate that message that means a lot to us to hear that and again the double o files has some great podcasts on bond as well and some really cool stuff. They're really a bunch of good guys. Thanks. We'll continue trying to come up with unique topics. We released our first podcast, featuring Roberto Schaefer the director of photography of Quantum of solace on June ninth. It's a two part podcast, and the second part will release on June twenty third. And we are honored that Roberto took the time to send us a happy birthday and anniversary message. He took some good time to get to the podcast with us, too, so we're surprised. We got this message from a to of Great. Yeah, we spent a couple of hours worth Roberto so here's Roberto again. Hey spy moving aviator I want to wish you happy anniversary first year of doing some amazing podcasts and crawl a spy freaks out. There also wanted to use this opportunity to wish. Barbara Broccoli a happy birthday. Which is the day after your anniversary, so keep it up wall, 007 fans. I'm one of them all the best happy anniversary. Happy Birthday, keeping up, thanks all right. Thanks for that was terrific. Yeah, we like Thomson. We spent a couple hours with Roberto on zoom doing our podcast with them. Great Guy. It was like talking new just a friend that we've known for years and years. It was a real. I love that conversation. It was great. Yeah, so look for those two podcasts as well. They're really fun. Fun and Roberto has a lot of insights into quantum in some of the other films. He was involved with like finding Neverland, and so on great stuff so very happy that Roberto sent us that. Thank you, thank you. Thank you very much and if you want to find out more about Roberto, you can go to Roberto. Schaefer. Dot. com, right. It's all one word the Schafer's S. C. H. E. F. E. R. Yet dot com. It's great, so check some of his other movies out to finding Neverland Monster's ball. Stay in a whole bunch of others that he did stays. It stays a really interesting movie, fantastic cinematography and quantum in the podcast again Roberto reveals a few very fun facts, so take a listen when you get a chance. If you love Sunsets, you've got to see the opening to his movie rattlesnake. Best Sunset I've ever seen in my life and it was a real. It was a real video. All? Right, WE'RE GONNA go to another little clip here. This is Raymond Benson Happy Anniversary to the spy movie navigator. Cheers guys all right Raymond. Benson Raymond is a great guy to. He was the first American author to be authorized by the Ian Fleming publications right the continuation James Bond novels, so that's pretty big. He wrote six continuation novels plus three novelization of three Pierce Brosnan bond films, which were not novels before the film's. So. That's a lot of great work by Raymond Benson and his bond novels include zero minus ten the facts of death, high time to kill double shot, never dream of dying and the man with the red. Tattoo and he wrote the novelization 's from the Pierce Brosnan movies. Tomorrow never dies. The world is not enough in die another day. We're GONNA have a podcast with Raymond as a special guest. Upcoming very soon, he actually started with James. Bond bedside companion first published in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four very cool book I haven't. It only goes up to the living daylights, but it's packed with great information, and it's available now in e books. Only we met with ray and a couple of already, and he has a great music. Background is well. You can find them on facebook. Sometimes with a little piano concerts during those pandemic stuff. It's a nice little bit of entertainment, so thank. Even though he's not doing the anymore of the continuation novels for James, Bond. He still is writing, so he still is putting out books, which which are really good. Yeah, he's got a lot of great books out now. That are not bond books, but fabulous. Great writer terrific, so we've been having fun making context traveling to spy movie locations researching recording podcasts and doing videos as well. It's been a pleasure to meet some folks in person like remembered. In that time, we met Caroline Munro. Naomi in the spy who loved me and she was gracious with their time. We met with her in at Duke's bar in London. was. Meeting with her. Yeah, we're also meeting people online doing things in twitter, instagram, facebook Yep, and even on our websites by moving advocate or dot com. It's really a great community of people out there. They're really friendly and knowledgeable, and it's just been a blast so far. The. James Bond Double O, seven guys who aren't twitter is at Bond James. 007 T sent us a written message because they were in a place that was too noisy to record one. He said anyway. He says hi spy movie navigator. are going to be just fantastic for your anniversary. Day I visited the website and everything looks in order very professional, looking you guys. Keep up the good work and you have my blessing. Congratulations on your anniversary and many more to come. Enjoy your celebrations the best to you all as Nice. It was nice. A, time, we also met a gentleman who works at the Palazzo Hotel Industry Real Portugal when we were there on our trip when we visited, that was Jose Afonso Jose Afonso and of course on our trip there, we visited a lot of the on Her Majesty's secret service locations and the Palazzo Hotel in Israel. Portugal is one of the places and Jose. Was Actually in the movie. He was in the movie. He was dormant in the movie, and then he was a doorman for like sixty something years at that hotel. Yeah, he was still there a couple years ago, when Tom, and I visited there since retired, and there was another guy who works there as well. And he was the bellboy. WHO hands the key to the manager to give to bond when he's checking in the hotel? In the movie, they actually used people who worked at the hotel early, some of the minor roles, which was which was kind of fun, and the fact that these two still there, it's like wow, yeah, and actually they did that a lot when we when we visited the wedding reception location for the honor, magic secret service to in the mansion when they had it in the courtyard and everything when Bond Mary's Tracy and tobacco's mansion there and we talked to A. A young gentleman there, who is the Gardner and his grandmother, was servant in the house at the time, and they wore these special uniforms, and they actually used the servants in the movie wearing the same uniforms that they actually really were so. There's a lot of cool stuff there. Yes, a beautiful thing! Yeah, so all these people. It's been a blast traveling all these places has been fun. It's just a true delight and so nice to meet some of these people. Either electronically or in person and so on, and then I get a chance to tell these stories with you and share their experiences with you. Even if you didn't get a chance to get there yet, and we love, said Yeah. We'd love to help you get there too as well. There's so many so many wonderful places to go. We probably a visited a hundred spy movie film locations already, and I must say that really one of our favorites was piece Gloria from honor. Honor Secret Service I don't think it was one of my that standards my favorite so far it is fantastic in chiltern Switzerland. It's gorgeous. It's like ten thousand feet up into the Alps, and it's just gorgeous up there and it's pretty much looks like it did in the movie so a lot of fun stuff there. We talk about that trip in the first podcast. We did all about spy movies. Yeah, where we talk about that trip. Actually was our impetus related to get. Get going with doing something on spy movies. Yeah, we've been to some fun fun places, and certainly on the imagine secret service. We've been to all of the major locations for that. We've been to the jewelry store where he buys the ring. We've been to the wedding reception the mansion. We've been to the bullring. We've got boring. Yeah, don't forget. The voting were DRAKO's birthday party. Was We have pictures of us in the bullring and right up where the party was standing exactly? Exactly, where bond was and everything all that stuff is so fun to do. And we went to where Tracy the the road where tracy gets shot and killed. We've been to virtually DENIA. We went to Sardinia well. Ask Sardinia Italy where the spy who loved me. The Lotus Esprit where off that's we we. We visited there. We found where the Lotus spree got delivered by by Q.. We found where the chase was a motorcycle, chasing and the whole chase scene of the. We saw where it plunged off the pier. We were on that very pier. Where plunges off into the water and becomes a submersible, and where shoots down they only who we mentioned earlier, Caroline Munro. Who was the first woman to be killed in upon movie actually by Bond? And then we found the beach where the Lotus comes driving out of the water that was the name of that beach was spazzy Cap Chili or something like that I have no idea. I wrote that down over here somewhere because I can never remember I can never remember it, but that was fantastic. That was gorgeous and we have some pictures as well so. All that's a lot of fun and we've done other things to. We've gone podcast on hitchcock movie when we did a two part podcast on Alfred Hitchcock's north by Northwest cray movie. Yeah, yeah, and they were. There was fun to do. The podcast and we've had a lot of great feedback on those podcasts as well so take a listen to lows. After they were released, we heard from a woman Cynthia O'Connor, who was a little girl at the time of the filming of the movie in One thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight. The movie came out in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty nine. and. She sent us a nice voice message, and we included her voice message in our podcast drinking with bond literally so listen to that little podcast drinking with bind literally, and you'll hear a little piece from Cynthia telling her story about how she was in this movie as a little girl, her mom was actually in the movie, too, and she talks about that as well so it's pretty pretty fun so Cynthia. Counter was kind enough now to send us a nice little anniversary greeting as well so here. She is whole guys. Happy Anniversary. The year really flew by right. You clearly know your stuff and have a blast when Shariat and ensure that all your followers feel the same. Keep up the good work and looking forward to the next year of fun at thanks. It was so cool we when we got her first message to because this was somebody who had a bit part in a movie that we were talking about. When she was when she was a child, and we put our podcast and she responds to us. It's like out of the blue. We get this. It's amazing how tight the community is around the spy movies. Yeah, she's fantastic. She's got a great voice. She does she's doing this. She's out in New York now. I think actually she was the. She lived in the Chicago area at the time of the movie and it's the. The filming. They were doing at union station in Chicago with a train station part. So that's the part she was in. So it's been fun and we've had a lot of opportunity to talk to other people as well. These poked with some authors like Dave, holcomb who wrote his world never dies the evolution of James Bond in the movies, and it's a great little read. We have a nice podcasts out with Dave called. His world never dies the evolution of James Bond Movies, and that's actually one of our more popular podcast to yeah, it's been great, and we have a number of additional authors lineup for podcasts as well from different parts of the world. All people we have met one way or another this past year. Last year Dave Holcomb was kind enough. Leave us a message as well. Hey Guys Dave. Welcome here in the author of his world never dies the evolution of James. Bond just wanted to say happy. One year anniversary building a website in hosting a podcast. Today's environment is really really tough, and you guys are doing a wonderful job so congratulations. You guys become just a hub. For any spy movie Fan and I've really enjoyed watching you succeed, and and I look forward to celebrating again with you next year on your second anniversary. Thanks Dave, that was that was fun and thanks for taking the time again to send us a message. I know this takes time for people to do this kind of thing, and we're really thrilled to hear from some of the people we've talked to over the years over the last year, and it's just been a blast and David was one of the fun guys to that. We spoken with so that's pretty cool. Yep, absolutely, another author Kerry Edwards is scheduled with us for a podcast, and he was very nice as well to leave us a little message so here we go from Kerry Edwards Is Carry Edwards overall. He disagreed with something. The nighttime wishing only navigated. Very Happy Birthday. You Lung Kee cracking the code of spine. Thanks Kerry Kerry Kerry very knowledgeable guy as a PhD and his focus is cinema. So when we talked to him. We better know what we're talking about. He's GonNa be good, but his he's got a nice little book that is called as he mentioned, he disagreed with something that Adam and it's. He loves Timothy Dalton as bond, and so do we so we're gonNA. Have a fun conversation with Kerry Edwards, so that'll be coming up sometime soon as well so I, like I like the hotness pond now last night I actually watched a movie called. Hot fuzz truly stars Simon Pegg. Who Benji in mission impossible series. But one of the big roles as well as Timothy Dalton plays this really bad guy couple years later, or then when his last bond was, he's got a mustache, but he's got a devilish role. It's real it's really fun. I liked him. Yeah so. You know carry like in Timothy. Dalton I agree gotTA. Like Timothy Dalton and here I literally fourteen hours ago, just watched him in a different movie. Those totally different, so we're looking forward to the cat words interview and Tim Guccione left us a nice little voice message as well and so we'll play that now. One of our lists happy one year anniversary spy moving alligator. Guys put out a lot of great content in the last year and I can't wait to hear everything else. You have coming up for the next year in many years to come. Cheers guys. Thanks Tim Yeah. Thanks. We love hearing from our listeners and from anyone out there. WHO's a spy movie fan? Let us know what you think we should be doing next to. If you have a suggestion of a movie, we should cover. Please let us know and we'll try to do that as well so and I can't stress. How important those messages are I I, it's helps keeps us going, but then if you give us an idea of hey, you know. I was thinking about this or I saw this in one movie, and it seems like I saw something like it in another movie. Tell us about it and let us see if we can help. Put that together for you. The thing that's been a lot of fun is getting to know the people we've come across over the last year or so, and we met with Corrie Glacier. Sin Who runs real art collectibles we. We had mentioned a little earlier real art collectibles as in a suburb near Chicago great movie memorabilia from all genres of movies, including spy movies of course and we got a video on our youtube. Channel of that interview is well great posters. Toys Puzzle Nielsen Lyles ship anywhere in the. The world, right, yeah, see anywhere just shift the poster from A to France. of someone who is listening to the podcast and heard about the posters we talked about so, and after after you record that video, we were at the show. See to easy to here in Chicago Oh. Yeah, we saw him. He had a booth there and we. We saw him there and record. It recorded some more audio and video with him, rocking and rolling at the at the show that was. Really was so it's. It's fun to just run into everybody like this. And like I said, we got to know Dave Holcomb who wrote the his world never dies the evolution James Bond movies again. Fund read East from Lanta Georgia in the US. We've interacted with anders frayed. Who Manages George Lazenby and would match Sherman? One of the bond experts in the world who runs bond cruises, and and lots more events and Matt just left us a quick little messages well, so we're GONNA. Cut To that clip. Identified Tom and the SPIVEY NAVIGATOR DOT, com crew, listeners and followers. This is matched chairman of bond FAN EVENTS DOT com. Wish you all very happy. First anniversary you are cracking the code of the spy genre and cracking good when it comes to bomb locations in spy movie locations. It's been exciting to follow your progress in partner with Bond Fan Events Dot com and I join my friends and Bond Luminaries Raymond. Benson and John Cork, you wish you, and all your followers best a great anniversary with many happy years to come long may rain. Thank you spy movie navigated. al-Qaeda man thanks, Matt, that was fantastic man. It's a great guy. He's got a bond. Crew's coming up in October. Providing cruises are still running in October. We're planning the beyond that cruise and supposed to be on that cruise. Assuming it happens. Yeah, doing a presentation on the cruise, but he's a great guy. He's been very helpful to us. In some of the bond locations, we visited and just a terrific guy. You could check out match Sherman. Website Bond Fan events that com, great guy, good stuff, so then even even worked with a Guy Steven Jay Rubin. Wrote Complete James Bond Movie Encyclopaedia another encyclopedia. which really we used as the basis for our spy. Database and our website so if you do a search on our website, you'll actually find information from his encyclopedia. Coming back as a result results from research, a lot of rates stuff a lot of really interesting stuff. One time today. It'll be. Having his book. Got, a multimedia company out of California and he also has the twilight zone encyclopedia. If you're twilight zone, big twilight zone, Van Yep. So and of course we've talked with John. Corcoran Roberto Schaefer. We've already mentioned yeah. And we got another great Guy Mardi Mackillop. Who Runs Thunderball Dot Org? He's out in Scotland and he's got a great collection of James Bond. Photos movie posters lobby cards and more online, and he's helped us out a lot. Forgetting things we've needed over the years for our podcast and for our video, so thank you, Marty! Yes, thank you. Marty Marty was also kind enough to leave us a message so. Let's cut to the clip of Marty Hai. My name is Marty and I found it. A website called the thunderbolts James Bond Picture Archive. I want to say happy first birthday to the spy movie navigator podcast. Has Given a big thumbs up to Dan Tom for the sheer dedication and passion that they clearly pour into this project whole amazing work fellas very well done. I raise a glass of macallan whiskey in your honor gentleman slider. 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24: Adam Blythe Interviews Tim Harris

The Cycling Podcast

49:33 min | 1 year ago

24: Adam Blythe Interviews Tim Harris

"Thanks, right. Sorry, guys. What rights doing tomorrow, Brenda Koksijde? I've just out to get my license to my director. He came over to us for. To the cycling podcast in association with Rafeh, the fastest clothing in the world tour, the home of cycling with character Rydin watch with rather in two thousand nineteen as they partner e f education fast and canyon throb. Oh, my name's Richard Moore. And I'm with Lionel, Bernie, Richard. And we're here just once again briefly to introduce the lethal in our Adam blind interview series, aren't reliable. We are indeed this week. It's a former writer, Tim Harris who may be familiar to some of you not Tim a writer in the eighties nineties with various teams and the UK on abroad and he wrote for time in Portugal as well. He was British national road race champion. He wrote for fifteen ah before fifteen a- became infamous in one thousand nine hundred eighth in retirement. He well, he lives in Belgium, and he has helped of young writers. I mean, you name a talented or successful British writer of the last decade or so and chances are he has stayed in. Tim's house, and Belgium and been shown the ropes of Belgian. Racing there and Adam Blige with one of those writers. And as Adam will explain in the CIA, he has with Tim. He went to Belgium with a certain reputation already kind of pinned to his back, and yet Tim Harris and his partner justly Ryan really kind of set riders on a path towards the professional ranks and kind of given them this the skills they need to survive first of all in Belgian amateur icing embracing not just a racing. But also the the lifestyle that is required to thrive yet. I am absolately, and we know Tim Harris a bit because he works at the to France as well, he drives VIP's guests for school attitude of France. And he's one of these guys who he's always story always got bit of gossip and. Has has fingers and lots of different Pisces, very interesting guy and hope you enjoy this chat that you had recently with Adam Blythe listening to special episode of the cycling podcast. Adam bly interviews. For crossover to Adam bly in conversation with Tim Harris. We must see big thank you to our title sponsor Rafeh. They title sponsor, the cycling podcast across all the different podcasts that we do. And their new core collection has just launched with including their core cargo bib shorts the bibs which rafters entry level shorts have been updated for everything you need for every day on the bike they'll aid to carry more whatever the style of writing at featuring the same hugely popular pockets on the legs on the back. I introduced in raffles explore collection. Whether it's a spare jail on Monthan effort or a camera on a weekend adventure came more of the things turn rights into memories. The core bib shorts have been given fool. Mark reviews by road. C C cyclist values road cycling on more. For more information, go to Rafeh CC. And everyone. It's day with one of my probably one of my best mate. So I've known not that long. But yeah, twelve years is a long time. Timorous you'll of your no in innovative him. A lot of year might not have as lives in Belgium, an old professional don't really put his face in the media much. So yeah. Tim used to be national champion nine thousand nine hundred nine year. I was born. My sister. Oh, by the way, Tim's own language, and it's called Dorgan's. And it's basically a mix of Portuguese English, Norfolk and Belgium. So if you hear fodder me or anything like it's a bit line off may or. Means gray or you star or something like that. If hear me, and Tim say all father may or anything like that. It's it's not swear. And it just means either bad or good or. Really good. So tomorrow national champion nineteen Eighty-nine Tim, you're in a lot of no other. I don't even know really all the teams in. But. Yeah. Talk through your career when you start really in them building up to national champ KIA tempo in September four team code our snacks. Season after hours in our VP vitelle also. Dutch team and the next two seasons INC in Britain and the next year after that rally banana and won national championships are really been honor then signed for Pasadena in Spain. And after that one couple of stages in the tour of the garden in Portugal and saw Sean for Portuguese teams for three seasons. And then for the last four seasons on my own Polkomtel rental team called efforts moisture Pact-era and in ninety six Malaysia Fatemi ninety six I thought it was you sure I thought it was a lot the sooner the notch up lasted longer than I thought. Festina must be ANC infrastructure must've in the highlight of your career back nine. It was a lot. They were the two big stunned names. I know festina for different reasons because they were full of good cyclist rarely so our did you get about getting into? Back there. Like nowadays, you have to come to Belgium. France knows obviously. And everything was a lot different. I mean, it's the same bull is massively difference in our days. You know, you haven't got all these British cycling all that kind of. So did you go about two professional well in some ways, it was exactly so measured. It you. You came to Belgium went to Holland when I was actually went to Italy. I and when I was junior one of ice in Italy, but had some new role in that, you couldn't be foreign Reuters. So the other option moves to go to Holland. So I went to Holland vice for amateur team, neck or will aboard Wilbur out and really. Kyw modern Weisenthal fashioned wise. But still like she say now a lot of just come here. And if you do okay you. You could make it to be a pro prone. If you don't you don't, but in reality not much as changed its partial Rice's about Chicoutimi. We've do something or you don't. Yes. Tim always used to say to me. And you always do something rather than nothing. If you're not you're not going to be anyone you so. That's basically are not him. How are you as a professional? And then I ended up living with you. When I was I think seventeen now, I think. Yeah. When I was seventeen I moved to Belgium. Came to live with Tim. It was through Phil Griffiths moved in there. It was also left the economy. Not really wanting to be there. So not really knowing what I was going to do but to do something. So I applied for rain phone, which Tim now works recruits arise in arise. Avoid Konta live with Tim in Belgium to try and make it professional. By actually got refused. Raina GM got refused. Raina for to go to CT. RTT sorry to them, and I got funding through them, and it was two hundred a month, and Tim I used to live with him charge me to a month for rent. So I was left with nothing. But when I moved in with me, it's quite funny story out to you. I'll let him tell you about it. But he was still good friends of dealing with rod used to run the economy. So when I left Tim asteroid voice all in. And let me tell you the story of well how it came around here. My name and introduced me really funny story really always didn't Tope. By New Delhi rafters, really good friend of mine. And also, Phillip Griffiths is also really good friend of mine and. On members in Italy. They will sought to chaper chips a phone call out of the blue from felon. Phil says right? Your tight is this young MRs been off the academy. He said she's in Blyth all heard really was bad things about them. So we hadn't really impressed role too much in his is behavior, shall we say? But fails or press game into taking 'em. So didn't have most choice because philatelic me a lot when I was racing vice within INC so thought, okay. So Adam arrived up picked him up at the airport on says, right? Avert your complete twenty. You got one month to sort yourself out otherwise bringing you back here. And that's that's how it started. Is it really? And we on all right since then we've done quite well, really. But. Yeah. Upper-middle you in them me and Tim on like, I have some fire. We didn't really quite a lot in common being such different age groups, really it was quite a lot of the simple nece. Roger now, we both fell in over that when you were young when I was young. So then when I can't live with you. It was so of like, I was a little Baker. Sorry. Tim's names character Baker. Yeah. A lot Tyler from the start because you just want to rice and CARA. Reuters compared you never know how good or bad somebody will in a member taking his first rices puzzle up. Like, I think the images of the member finishing the finished under these are hard. It was. But then he just kept wanting to rice everytime vic- want to rice because I want to make some money as well because in hidden money, take all of them. The business platform and. But you have always got me about Rodney audience again so used to trying to them a lot, and we just spent such spent for the signs we did sprint sprint sprint sprint old island. It's funny really looking back. Now when you look at what we did in training together is never it was never plunder. It was never will do this today. We'll do that say we never sat down and looked here. We saw a race in four or five days. Let's just work around that. And that's what we did. It was in. And it wasn't like any structure to it. It was just it was just constant riding your bike. And it was always every time. We went out we'd have a point system for sign. So little towns be one point province sign a ten point countries Hines, very rare. But I'd be the million points who got back onto that be. UB? So we'd always go out. And we'd always around these signs. It always race each other. We're not kind of stuff and Tim was fifty and it was always about overlay chump. But the main thing is always PT always race. Make it always raise me and always trying not me down the ridge. So it always trying to knock me off the way or just try and beat me somewhere or another. But it was. Taught me quite a lot very always. You know is the simplest a bike route. And it wasn't going out impress in certain during a load of efforts. It was just going out on a simple nacip going out and buying around and go into a load of racism trying to win. It wasn't looking at your Watson trying to increase your walks. I think if you probably looked at the training was if you did it back to fun in the fact have had power may isn't if have had all the proper training plan, if we'd have looked back at it was probably pretty perfect training because you the long rides. You had the interval training shoes. Sprinting for the signs, so although on paper, it wasn't really structured in reality. It was would have been looking back at it. Because we did all the things that you need to do to be good by early. So I live with Tim for three years Haydn Nutella pots on your bed. When I was a first year when I went to Belgium, I never never could drink the milk. A hated the milk out there and all that kind of side like. Tim's house in the morning and just have chocolate milk cocoa pops and all kind of stuff in Tim used to. He didn't really say anything until you found ten types of Natella, Ron. So yeah, I spent three years Tim than eventually moved out, but just down the road from Tim. But I think what I got from Tim is told me in those short years. I the simple of religion be telling me, it's a business is a business. You have to remember this is a business and go and do these races. I remember after a couple of a few seconds Goff users, and I was always a coupla commence in Tim comeback from pure until blah, blah. You must be making a quite a bit of money. Now, it's only eighty euro for second. It's not like you're not getting paid. And then I didn't know about it. None Tim told me all of those fine. Those offi itself out to help someone for money or something. And as what Tim taught me is that it's a business and even those races. There's money to be made. If you win book, there's a guy called case matinee fueled is used to go to these commences, and they they want to pay it. Let them win almost or help them win. So that sort of struck a chord in if it's happening. This lower down the line the deals to remain one year the lion. It's not like I've ever made Musset deals in bigger bite races. Push still happens and timber down to me quite a young age that everything is of it's not for the lowest board. But there's always money's been made in short period of time that you gotta make money infamy that short period was being an amateur and trying to make enough money to pay pay rent, really and Tim of broiler own for me. But back in your day that most of up and. And a lot. Yeah. I mean, that's history. You didn't ask to? If you look back for history of bite rising always been pies money, and it was before it used to be really a sport for the for the poor people in Europe to be honest is now it's become over middle class spot. But before it really was more for the poor people away to gal of poverty in Europe. And. So in every is was money to be won. And it was. Yeah. People one rice is all they might have sort of not sold it, but help somebody else for the rising to pocket money in the back pocket. But and that just went on that was must part of the sport part of the interest in the sport. Because also in Belgium, bookmakers not so many now, but still yours Flanders think. But a lot of the way I look at citing if the only way you can compare with the Anglo Saxon world England, all and maybe Charlie are not. So sure about is. It's the same like horse racing in England wash rising everyday and betting on horse rising every day and it's day in day out. And basically, that's that's Flanders raise more or less every day, and our history people on it, and you have to look a little bit that chair. Yeah. A week from story. I went into grand and folk message. So yes, the lesson quickly. Learn. But no, I think moving back onto him and what he does now with his with his partner. Jocelyn your help kids. These days and arrived is wants common bay professionally wanna come late the by riders dream. But we both know that's not as easy as always looks on paper. These days is guys going through a cycle. And then they go into the process going team sky when the when the good and arrived is trying to make on their own and after own back, but a lot of say eighty five percent fail in fifty percent. So yeah, Tim said, yeah. Not even even less. Do you know is within that first month of living with your what it takes or not takes normally in a month? You can save somebody's really not because especially in March and April they arrive. Most of them have been running around spine training camps and stuff, and then come to Belgium and complete reality anybody's watch, the Belgium classics most will of how the POWs rise, but the amateur icy is exactly the same. If not even more crazy. So. In every single category. Bows, you've got the curve of the Toffler knows Ohio bake. But for the amateurs when you of just derive from the UK, and you're into vice-like that it's it's a complete shock, and you'll know pretty quickly, for example after left McClay as on the twat stove London. They headed mature I said on the twenty three I think it was two hundred ninety starters. Benefit two weeks. Pop and you want it. So they ultimately know that is is not going to be a donkey with that. You know, when I was chairing me, you eight modern shot. Tim's very old don't train. Nah. I shouldn't say this you gonna stick. But Tim, Tim John Chambers an element when he's on his own, but only because it's old school. And that's what he's always known you do treatment element every now, and again, no Trump now fees where can I go on the tour, which he does the element. So he does. But Tim super old calling the ways that he's never believed in modern modernist. Really don't like power me is you don't like heart rate monitor. You are which I guess is fairly modern really. So I guess Tim doesn't like whole lot nonsense around not being a bike race. And I think I agree with him. You know, you can't go into a racy days. And so many people obsessed with looking at power me is an Arp lament my threshold this thresholds. Not but you can't do race based on threshold into tour of Flanders or occur mice go or not go that artists. My threshold. Like, I said Tim's very old going away. Can you see rise at come across in deal as we say modern shot? Two ways to look at that. I mean, everybody lives Anne rice in the air that they're racing living in. So when I was in Raleigh banana, for example. We had Dr Titians we had we got with this hospital to be tested, and we are training schedules and everything, and obviously you rise to the best of your Bility's news every single thing that's available in your time. Which is now if you're writing, but what I think that what has been forgotten a little bit in all the Chinese schedules. And the power mate is actually the. Rice craft hot put us. In the fact of how to do seen where to put yourself in the world amend. The thing is like everybody talks about our dynamics if you sound somebody's well as per dynamics, the Blokhin funded us taking the weight, and so you have to learn that so thing if you're not kind to the front that need to be the era dynamic and then yesterday was the best example of ever seen. I was watching no Kerr rice and talion guy attacks, obviously, not used to riding in Belgium, looking at his heart monitor went down. There fridge and crash in full view of into our world. You obviously everything's called place. But you have to learn to rice and tactics. Another last week, probably imperishable power, snakes, one of the best examples one of the most impressive pieces of writing of seen in the last few years, actually, look right guiding. But now. In in the Shawn's when it split because for the little Columbian to be in the front in the split in an echelon stage when you got six jumbos lock and banana was one of the best pitch of audio ever seen. So the fact that Luke could do that in such impressive fashion because he knows how to ride a bike knows what he's doing knows where put yourself you have the most amount of power in entire race. But if you don't know where to put yourself in the bunch when it goes into excellence, you're being the Las echelon, and you can be the pressure art in the world, you won't jump for mesh onto echelon. And that's what I mean by you have to now out. How to have that rice craft in in a in a a modern rice and fashioned rise. Anyway, she after no to be. And that's where the winds coming from where the hills go to be have to study the study the rope there. Here is true. We've always said, I think I wouldn't be in a pro if every for new to-do Sut my engines tiny, probably neither would you probably, you know, I think being Tim quite similar as we always used to put ourselves in that right position. I was remember when Adam turn pro for lotto, Mark Sargeant, the owner of lotto put it in the newspaper because I didn't play called the Panama about minus ten it's headed in the headlines in the paper and obliged. He has a fifty motor. But knows L to use it to the volunteers of somebody with a five hundred sixty motor call myself a Vesper now I can capable in traffic, but I can't go faster than that car at the traffic. So I think that's. Says a lot about cycling's as you can have all the power in the world, which most people have gotten answer all into FTP and all kinds FTP stunts Trump. Teepee? I may need not as not TSS's. Training stress. Go. He's acting like he knows what is very is. No idea. See I think going back to that race craft. I wouldn't have been a pro if everyone on race craft. So I think all these people are strongest, comma Belgium and complex download numbers, but can't actually raise their sort the people that we need in racing without them. If they were as clever as we wouldn't be I wouldn't be pro everyone be clever as we are on the position. Like, we are with the numbers. They so we need these people in cycling. So keep doing guys the guys at the big numbers. Keep doing it. Shoot that. I do. Cars team card the back of the tax. Lease the voice of peak race radio with the two the front, interrupting Adam bly, and Tim Harris there to remind me to tell you this episode is sponsored by DNA fit who provide genetically guarded, fitness and nutrition incites for training solutions and long term health benefits. Dna help fifty thousand people unlock their health potential through genetically personalized fitness and nutrition insights, and Richard you are the fifty thousand I DNA fit customer and last we heard from your consultant, Tom. What's the latest? Yeah. Did a consultation with Tom Lancashire Olympic middle distance runner another of DNA, Fisk consultancies Craig Pickering who was very good sprinter. And is a well-qualified sports. Scientists now. Tolman? I spend quite loft time discussing the most surprising aspect of my results. Which was my power endurance response. Let's hear from Tom again. Everybody gets absolve fuel to the fire. One of the biggest our response is I've seen we don't see many certainly over eighty. Calculating eighty five maybe ninety whereas the injured most the most calling biggest probably lawn insurance. I may be around sixty sixty four teenagers. Our I guess it's the bridge. So you very much the far end of the the spread. Colin MacAulay here. The other though. You could have been could've been this. Holly. So it was told Lancashire just talking about my power endurance response, which for me, who's focused all my life on endurance. Sports was very surprising. And as I said, they're made me wonder whether I'd missed my calling and we went into more detail about nutrition injury risk. And so on you get a lot of information from your DNA tests. But whether your genes make you bear suited to juries per base activities, but also about your view to response recovery. Speed your injury risk all-share optimal diet, and whether you might have any intolerances or be particularly sensitive to for example, Guten alcohol or caffeine. The disclaimer is that your genetic makeup is only one part of the picture is not a method of prediction or denting talent. But very interesting to discuss Mursal with tongue Schimmel here. A little bit more something you Trish, in sight next week on fairy Cain tonight, whether you got any intolerances to. Hall caffeine. Richard could all to the grand tours for us. Well, inter- the very interesting thing about about tell you about that next week Lionel. Okay. Well, we're white for that DNA fit has robust science behind every, gene. They look at has at least three peer reviewed studies on human subjects and in two thousand sixteen. They released the world's first genetic exercise intervention base study showing that you can discover what kind of exercise works best for you. DNA fitter offering twenty percent off to all of our listeners. So start your personalized journey today by heading to DNA, fit dot com slash T. C pay TCP for this podcast to access the discount code and discover more that's DNA fit dot com slash TCP. This episode is also sponsored by the British heart fundation who organize on your London to Brighton bike ride, and they would like to offer five pounds of your entry for this year's event. Or if you can't ride yourself, you can sponsor the cycling podcast team. Instead, you're actually all you, Richard. It sounds like your you may be getting some training in for the event. Yeah. That's not the the London to Brighton. Bike ride. You can hear the on its shell the prese in Belgium, just said on Twitter. I'm at the the sprinter's race which Adam Blythe now, right? Oh, he's got number one on his back number eleven so team leader philosophy team leader for the London to Brighton now. You know, who's in the lineup. We we we've put we've put together quiet team haven't we quite a squad. Who's the leader? Who's the sprinter? Who's the climber careful? I think you're going to have to drag me diction bacon. Maybe that's job for everyone else. Everyone else at my service. And then I'll I'll finish off with a sprint along along the front in Brighton. Now, I don't to be there. I don't have to buy the first round finish. Anyway, the London Brighton bite Reid. He's really close to my heart. Because I I wrote it when I was fourteen in nineteen ninety and I remember just a great fun day. It was there was a sense of cameraderie. So I think it's the perfect event forbid of cycling podcast team bonding, isn't it and it's for a great cause the British heart foundation's research into heart and circulatory diseases is essential because they responsible still for one in four deaths in the UK the ride it self is fifty four miles long seventeen miles of them on completely closed roads. And as Richard said, you can get five pounds of the entry Fe by going to be h f dot org dot U K slash l to be two one nine and entering the code Brighton. Five that's H F dot org. Don't you K slash l to be two thousand nineteen and the code is Brighton. Five alternatively sponsor, we've raised nearly thousand pounds ready. We'd like to raise as much. As we possibly can go to just giving dot com slash the hyphen cycling hyphen podcast. So I guess when you were growing up it was very different era when I was growing up when I was growing up. It was still twenty eight hundred eight thousand nine two thousand ten and even back then is very different. What it was? Now. You know, I think even the use of having a pain killer in a race. And all that stuff that was fairly for me. This is now over and painkiller noise. It's not really a bad thing. But it used to be very much normally even doctors nowadays, if painkiller they'll be like, a, you know, it's going to be for my pain in the race. But I guess back in your quite sensitive subject. This was the more going on when you first year when you were growing up I straddled complete to errors. Because when I turned pro. That was an era when like people use unfetter mins and exterior all it's everybody knows because a lot of people call on it. But in about nine teen. Nine nine hundred ninety suddenly everything started to really change or member ride in the world in the world in on. And I was okay offing are punched in finale powers pay reasonable, right? I was and then suddenly the year light are capable of anybody. And. Nobody really knew suddenly talion bane being always good as suddenly like unbelievable top. Obviously we now what it was. It was the the China of the air from amphetamines and things to to APO actual blood doping and that was completely hundred percent differ, air and. Patino is different. When you say now if someone back in like when I was growing up it wasn't. I was just brought into it. So I wasn't. It was that level is what the level was. And then, you know, you get the guy to go super good. It's never gone. Well, but it was the level. I'm being been quite constant apart from a few guys that you know, you hear of the Goff the couple a couple Russians. Awesome for me, the levels not really be they'll evidence, I can just gonna open up through modern people getting faster drew to a quick -ment on all that kind of stuff. But did you really like go for one season to the next and then go what what's not training enough, or did, you know straight away down to help? Now, just completely we didn't happen because suddenly from the ones as into next week's early keep up and the thing was Zoll in. If anybody looks slightly magazine, I've got still got a lot of my in house of magazines form ninety nine hundred is is full of articles about training with. Heartbeat. Monitors Italian discovered all these fancy new training training systems on to be honest. We win on always infrastructure and before they were bought into disrepute cyber nothing on news now organiz doping or anything. And then suddenly everybody was super fast. And if you want you that was it. So it was just suddenly a crazy thing Neva really did or you didn't. And that was up. Just like flicking switch it just literally light some guys just all of a sudden got stupidly good because more or less proven. If you took twenty twenty percent automatically. So I I'd once I was in the pike in our bake. I was ten eleventh natural if I'd have been twenty percent better on it, shall we say case if you are things like that. So yeah, all you got to look around. Now, there's a lot of people, you know. One a lot of ISIS in our. But that's just how it was. But we didn't at the time. We didn't know only in his in afterwards. Older stories of coming out when you've packed in. That you really knew how widespread it was kinda much in it. But I can't really. I can't imagine it really. Mental Reuter off in the past rod out of every thing. I think I've ever seen the Paul from like, Malcolm Elia enjoyment. Kopplin was allowed Copan Lockwood. From Bristol world was unbelievably good is when he was he went to the Olympic Games in CEO of it wasn't. And he was still working fulltime in the building. He did like at one stage in the middle rice. And. Could beat most depositing, but he his career coincided really with with EPA era. And yet if it'd be nice now he could win the Toffler and one hundred percent, but you can even finish early when he came to Europe because because of his career and people him, Andrew rights, another unbelievable. Good rider, guys, you he's studying nutshell. The record on the olive man might still. But they were just unbelievable is unfortunate to have their careers ruined by what was going on. So you never really it's never really think about it. But you just heard about these blokes. We're good riders. And not just like you said the air in the time just didn't allow them unless they did. The drugs you're looking because my Ma best results before all came in. So I had at least the chance to have five years when it was normalize it. Because aero have means suffer actually works doesn't work. No. It's not really prove it. It's more psychological. So by the somebody's not took that really know. But in EPA is one hundred percent different. So. But least I had the chance for five years to prove yourself until it was all over. So when I was living at Tim z always spent three years living with him five to my own apartment and moved to Monaco after that and look back on it wasn't the best choice ever made. And we all know about that. Tim always used to tell me it's a short career news. Even this was like two three years into my professional sourcing. It's short career, you need the most of it and always used to say to me you need to do something. You can't just ride around being average at something. And I think that's it's still the same. These days you need to be good at something unit. Be good at riding on the front in it climbing in sprint, and you need to do something as nothing so many people these days. So hard to stay in the job con. Lot of people can be rigid tips and the year, but being good for twenty is so difficult, and I think that's why a lot of people these days about to retire, especially this year in the sport. And what's up into is super difficult last year really was difficult year? Because obviously every now is quite a few teams stopped and lot of offensive ours. Friends revolve grown up bull. It's not it's not as though is every airbase unaccept- friends. We've really seen it since yesterday. That's under percent trick since time. We're gonna it's been like that. But people are shocked because it she makes you always have to prove yourself. Yes. So. Adam says you even come up with the goods you get another job. And that's along the shore. Really? And it's. Well, we just goes nuts. What Tim O once? It's over it's over and. I was looking at stop in Las year didn't set about schoolwork for Tim. I was Chaz. But when you start was it was it difficult. Did you did you look back in hate it? Or did you know what you were going to do? Resolve launching Tim was telling me, you know, he went through stages of when he didn't have a contract, and he drove to where Lear and things. So Toby tell him that story. So one year, I didn't think I was going to get a contract. I didn't know what to do. This was really before that coffee crazy for been evidenced by not say these mobile coffee, Espresso bars for the day. Drove to Milan news is about six, especially factories in Italy. So he's not on the door all of them to see if I could buy an Espresso Espresso machine start this great ideals today. And but then I got another contracts that didn't happen, but looking how big coffees become in the meantime, my shoulda shoulda isn't even a millionaire now, but no Tim now owns chair business. Don't you see if anyone in the market chairs, it's listening? Tim marriage chairs dot com. Is that what it is? Old school is don't website for company. But did you find it difficult when you start to do go through a while wondering what you're going to do did, you know straight away. A member having very once. For magazine said the hardest fight Craig is a die you stop because every single since I've been fourteen you'd woken up with a goal and used to do you by the next race the next training camp, the next EV you gotta doing so you, and you just always just of Asli. That's what you do when you saw this let you do. You just every waking moment is all cycling and then for next one day to the next suddenly you've got this massive empty huge base. And it's not even about the fact tall of getting a job not getting job is the fact that you need to find something that's going to motivate yourself to bed because. Every professional cyclist is Harley motivated person. So it's not like just going to job you saw this. But from the minute you stop the after find something that you want to do that. That will solve fail. Needs in to do something. Really kinda much stuff about a con imagine stopping in trying to find some you that much much cycling. I when I finished I couldn't look bike. I can benefit resulting. What's rather? Because I saw felt like you'd idea. Career Saul taken away from you because of all that going on. So we're not finished. I didn't. Nothing to do with it. But the guy that got me back into the fibers, Tom Barras of spats sputter spats. But he is because obviously vice is dead set and said five yourself son Yvonne's to try in Belgium. So Tom came and lived in the next release to me and are coming you have to come out on a bike ride. So when I was Tom. Thomas tastic like so. That's really sort of got back into it and got interested again start vices you've Thomas team and slowly got to alike again for it was rather than just the nightmare. It's all become but after all like you find in your lava game cycle through Thomas Darden him getting back on the by you really went back into sickly because then you start working on the tour, and I think so Tim works on the tour as works Skoda and you've driven around VIP's Goto throughout the whole Toda funds for. Twelve years every station the past twelve years, which for someone that stopped. Didn't wanna look a bike to get back into it in the biggest sore bike raising. You do the tour Britain for the first commissaire are always Mitch. I love chat with Tim little hold on for a bit longer than wait longer normal. But now going back into that and going into the tour and working alongside the biggest most stressful by raise plot. Most did you first or did you hate you must have not the most have been some parts where you're like, I ridiculous or not because dope, and we're still going massively twelve years ago. I hope it was obviously going on because the first few tours member one because they all got kicked off forever. But I did it. That was just good fun. It was good fun today. We had a good team got it was very Roger Hammond Hammond being asked to find it was quite difficult to tell you had to be first thing this language, speak languages, you had to be an ex pro rider, and obviously at the hall of July to be able to go. So there wasn't really that many candidates. So I saw manage to wait in different now, though, go on the tour every in basically a Wiltord team in peleton unday Schlick undies like Stephen Roach staff killings. Right. What's van summer when summer as well? So it's mentally talk about cycling, even those guys. They were like massive earners. You know, some woman bay front short was under Franklin and the. Mental where he think you look at are you when all massive is one to one zero bay, and I'm not big. But now the around with you. The friends look enough to race. But for them is so recent you'd surprise like for me, I've not fallen. I wouldn't if I stopped. It's not because I didn't look this ball is because I couldn't carry on trying to do all that train into be mediocre. You know, it's at the highest level you want to do it. And if you have to drop down cloud fuel levels at the age, I'm. I wouldn't hate this by just finding to difficult mentally to do it now that lower level. So I think for them guys half into stock for whatever reasons it were earn in so much money the career and then into stop and go and do that. It's unbelievable in it. Yeah. I suppose to Israel when you think about it. But I think okay, you say there a lot of money. There's not one person. Does bike riding because the money really your every single person started bike riding because they liked him and some bad nervous. Some people. Their highest. I'm vulnerable to finish club run of the people who win the funds, but every single person starts because I love bike riding. The money's really got nothing to do with it. So they want to still be involved in the probably the best way to volved in talk driving VIP's extreme every stage. Got the ARGUS go helicopter. They stay in nicest chateau's in France. So really the fact that I were champions doesn't take a why they left slightly as well on still be involved. I guess coffee. Seven a coffee break chump trial. Purple things crew a final switch full of sugar. We say finales sway is like what you have in the fine. Like a really strong jello when I was mature used to get pro plus pro caffeine, tablets and a few hours. What books he didn't? Well, you did have gels were massive. Here we go and stuff. So. Was one of the first people ever used to gel. I had a friend who was runner in Norwich. And it's found this New South African product called Lapins gels. And. Start using them. And then our member nobody near petroleum was rising in Portugal. I used to supply the whole peleton move Leppings jails point take back to put captain of industry. Another thing. Let's it really really. We've got we always have a lot of discussions over the phone. But there's not really a lot talk about after that. Really? I think he's just. For me, just Franks to timorous for doing it. But also Tim's been mental to learn a lot. So if you wanna come to Belgium, and you wanna be a pro cyclist, there's no person Timorese to learn from really? That was good fun. Yeah. Just. Cycling podcast is supported by science in sport, science and sport fueled by science, very very much to sciences sport for their support of the cycling podcast, and all we do is very much appreciated, and you can still get your twenty five percent of all your science and sport sports, nutrition products at science and sport dot com with the code SIS, CPI twenty-five SIS, see twenty-five at science and sport dot com. That was an interesting half our or so of conversation wasn't that Lionel it was what did you take from it? Because I took from it. The kind of pragmatism required to make cycling which is. An until a certain point. It's a leisure pursue a Hobie something you do for fun and then turning that into a career and that starts before anyone signs a pro contract. I think riders are becoming professional. If not in in name in spirit, a lot younger earlier, and Tim Harris is is there's no not really much romanticism is in some of that chat is quite paints quite different picture to the one that we see on TV, the kind of the, you know, the gritty Calama, but the glamour nonetheless, the sense that it's a hard job a making a living and staying in the sport is not necessarily easy. And it's not something that's for everyone yet, Tim Harris an antidote to the British system, which Adam was part of before he went off to Belgium in and lived with Tim for a bit and learn the ropes of professional cycling, and you do sense of both are kind of pragmatic in a way, both are and perhaps not romantic in in the way that some of us perceive, professional cycling cycle sport to be am. But but also quite. Different, you know, whereas British cycling, it was very much and numbers and science sport science at Tim, harasses, San antidote to that. He's a very much about learning the craft the profession of cycling, and I think that is very rooted in Belgium in funders, isn't that the idea that cycling there is is is a serious business with emphasis some business. And I think Tim is is is a is a great teacher in the is interesting. But you know, Blythe it was it was his last chance saloon in the way and going to Belgium in writing as an amateur there and trying to attract the interest of a professional team, and and the British and didn't work for him. But that that system did work for him, and Tim Harris was obviously crucial in that. He and Tim is know downbeat kind of down on us. As you know, positive. Always be always a word of encouragement. You know, I just sent of giving people young people essential their own personal responsibility. In a way, you belie to try and make it as a professional cyclist. But if you're going to do it, then give it everything you've got and. You know, I think there's some valuable life lessons for those who don't necessarily make in the sport as well. And I mean. Tim's a agree is a great people person. I mean, great enthusiasts. Then you know, he runs a chair business as well as as they mentioned, but he can seeming enthusiastic, but anything toll. He's one of these people, but amount white type car to remember Donyell talking about my white is being somebody who has kind of Ma white cloud of stored files where you could ask them out. Why a question about absolutely anything? And he would have an answer would have an opinion and marriages is kinda cut from the same cloth. He's he's very similar and very entertaining in that way as well. Tim's fool of opinions knowledge, and wisdom and not learned from, you know, books necessarily learned from from life, and yeah, he he's he's on social media, which maybe that maybe there's something in that lesson for all of us. And you've been listening to episode of cycling podcast money's which Moore. Thank you very much. Lionel. Thank you, Richard. You've been listening to the cycling podcast subscribe to a newsletter at the starting cost dot com to get all the latest news and special office delivered straight to your inbox. This episode was edited and produced by Tom Walley.

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During bad times, a good Fed Chair is not popular  Ep 585

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During bad times, a good Fed Chair is not popular Ep 585

"The. Leadership. I think the action in the stock market, and in the gold market yesterday potentially is telling as to the future course of of both markets that I know there may be some people that wanted to dismiss yesterday's action because of the quadruple expiration of various options and futures contracts. This is an event that happens in the markets every quarter but I think beneath the. The surface I think the market action actually is telling you potentially that we have exhausted this bear market rally in the stock market one point I think the Dow is up about four hundred points, maybe a little bit more yet. We closed down about two hundred points a little bit off the lows. I think the lowest I saw was down a little over three hundred. But the sell off, I think portends a much bigger selloff coming, and in fact in the morning, everything was up. It wasn't just the stock market that gap, tire, gold, gap, tire, gold, stocks, gap tire, but while. The overall stock market surrendered the rally although the Nasdaq did manage to finish. In the black, all the other indexes were negative, but while stocks in general gave up their early morning gains gold. Did Not I mean? They tried to sell gold off a couple of times, but it didn't. It didn't happen, so gold closed a very close to the highs of the day off by a few dollars, but still up about twenty dollars. Maybe the high was up twenty, four, twenty five. We settled at seventeen forty four ish, which is the highest weekly close of the entire. Blarke it, so this is the best goal has ended the week, not only of the year but of this. This entire rally, so gold is continuing to look like it's getting ready to break out. No gold stocks are quite a bit from their highs right. They're not nearly as close to their highs as gold itself, but I think that again that is a reflection of the skepticism with which investors have always viewed the rally in goal. We haven't had a lot of bullishness. People have been nervous the entire bull market we've been climbing this wall of worry. And that is obvious in the reluctance of investors to bid up the price of gold stocks yet. The price of gold has been dragging goals socks. The entire time, though every once in a while, we'll get a point where there is some enthusiasm, and you'll get gold stocks leading for a while, but then as soon as there's a pullback, they get hit very hard because people have one foot out the door, even the balls because people have still fully embraced this bull market, but I think we're very close to that happening. I think this might have been a significant day in week. In indicating that the stock market is about to break down and gold and gold stocks are about to break out now you know some people were maybe attributing the decline on Friday to the announcement from. That they would have to be re shuttering some of the stores that recently reopened not all of them, but just in certain areas. Where there was a bigger outbreak of covid nineteen that they would have to shutdown, and maybe that did get some people thinking that maybe the reopening is not going to go as smoothly as as people think, but I think there was a lot more to it than that one news announcement although I do think that as the fundamental news continues to play out, this scenario is going to be very very bearish for stocks. Because the way this rally really got started, everybody was surprised by the severity, and how rapid the plunge was, we had a record move from record highs to bear market. We'd never seen that happen before, so the market was very surprised. By what happened and stocks got killed in a very very short period of time, so the initial shutdown of the economy. was much worse than markets had anticipated, but now this rebound right to so-called reopening. A lot of the economic news has been better. Than people anticipated so people had prepared for the worst and so far they didn't get the worst now. They're getting something. That's not as bad as they thought. And so that has created some sense of optimism, and so the markets have recovered, but people still don't realize or you know, don't remember. That before the market dropped, it was priced for perfection and substantially overvalued, so there is no reason for the market to return to the level that had occupied prior to the collapse, because it never should have occupied territory in the first place and a lot of the factors that that was built on right this successful resolution of the trade war with with China. That's fallen apart. The idea that trump was gonNA easily coast to a second term. He is now as long shot as he's ever been to win. Reelection look at. At the poll numbers look at the betting. Odds the the odds of never been this slim for trump to win a second term, and it was the trump tax cuts that were largely responsible for the higher valuations assigned to US stocks. Well now you have to take those valuations away because if trump loses the tax cuts are not only gone. They're going to be replaced by tax hikes. Corporate taxes will be higher under a biden than they were under Obama. There's no way that's not going to be the case. Especially given the enormity of the deficit. It's not all going to be money printing. It's going to be mostly money printing, but we're going to have much much higher taxes on corporations and so-called rich, and so none of that has been discounted into the market. You just have all this optimism, but where I think the optimism is going to be replaced by realism, which will be pessimism is in the relapse rate. You have three stages. You have the initial shutdown the economy, then you have the rebound as some of the businesses, it shutdown, start back up, but then you're gonNa have the relapse as a lot of the businesses that start back up re shutdown, and as people start to realize that we are not recovering back to where we were. We're recovering yet. We're still going to be in a recession. Slash depression because the economy was going to turn down even if we never had cova nineteen. Even if we didn't have these mandated business shutdowns, we were long overdue for a recession. Anyway, we have the longest expansion in history or recession was going to start to think that that recession is already over that somehow our recession that began. Worse than any in US history even worse than the Great Depression that it's already over. That is going to be a one to quarter phenomena. That is ridiculous. This recession started with a bang for a reason because it is going to last for a long long time and be much worse than anybody imagined I think this is going to start to be factored in. To stock prices, so we've got this euphoric rebound. You have all this crazy speculation. You know you've got people buying bankrupt stocks you got. Day Traders. Leading, a Merry Band of men on Robin Hood. Picking scrabble letters out of a bag and just you know thinking all you have to do is buy a stock, and you can't lose because stocks only go up. Yes, there is this. Crazy sense of euphoria. That is in the market. Thanks to the Fed, but as far as I'm concerned, it looks like the risks are heavily weighted to the downside for US stocks, and it will correspond to. We upside breakout in the price of gold and gold stocks than others shoe though that needs to drop is a breakdown in the US dollar. The US dollar is still defying. Gravity didn't go up, but it didn't really go down much this week, but I think the dollar is on the precipice of a significant decline. I think the same is going to be true of of Bitcoin. BITCOIN! Looks very very toppy to me. A BITCOIN is not rallying. It is not up near the highs liked. The price of gold is whereas gold looks like it's getting ready to break out. BITCOIN looks like it's getting ready to break down so those of you who think you're taking refuge in an alternative to dollars and you've chosen bitcoin. You made the wrong choice. You still have an opportunity. Before the bottom drops out of that market to correct that mistake, and obviously, if you bought bitcoin a long time ago, you actually can correct a mistake with a big game. You Got Lucky that other people. Made the same wrong decision that you did and because you have so many people making a foolish decision, the price went up. Look, that can always happen. Look it, you know bankrupt company stocks. The price can go up if enough foolish people are willing to buy them, and that means the people that were foolish I can get out and sell to the people who were. Were foolish later, but it doesn't mean that they weren't foolish, or they simply were anticipating what other fools would do, and they wanted to gamble on it, but what happens is a lot of fools and up as bag holders because they don't recognize why stock went up and they hold it all the way down, and that's what's GonNa happen a lot of these bitcoin holders. Who Don't understand why they made money and Bitcoin. They understand that they got lucky. Because a bunch of fools made the same mistake they did, but they don't recognize that then they're going to be left holding the bag. As the bottom drops out of the market, you know one of the other economic data points that is creating a false sense of optimism about you know the strength of this rebound, I, think has to do with the housing numbers which have been very surprisingly strong. Throughout this entire recession you've got these. Mortgage? Rates have gone down and that's been helpful, but you've had this big jump in applications and and people buying homes, and the interpretation is that this is indicative of some type of underlying strength in the housing market, and I don't think that's the case at all. I think overall housing market is going to be weak, but there are certainly some factors that motivated behavior in the short run. Part of it had to do with the plunge in. In mortgage rates, which made it easier for people to afford to buy homes. But I also think that there were some people that may been holding out for better prices. That finally had to sell and accept. The price that the market would pay so I think that some of the sellers may have been more motivated, and that might have been one of the reasons that more properties were able to change hands, because there was a perception among the buyers that they were getting a good deal I don't know that they were but I think that you now had more motivation of the people who needed the cell to cell, but But I think a bigger part of the issue had to do with a lot of people living in urban areas, deciding that they needed to move to the country or the suburbs I think you had a rush of suburbanites, all of a sudden, looking to buy homes in in in the country to get out of the city, initially just to escape covid nineteen and the quarantine I, but then because a crime. I think the. Perception is that crime is GonNa, be on the rise in the cities that the police are going to be reluctant. To police as vigorously as they had in the past they don't want to. Be. Called Racist they don't WanNa risk criminal charges, so the police are going to be reluctant to act decisively. As they did in the past. That criminal behavior is going to be emboldened. Because, they're going to realize that. The police are in a box and therefore they have carte blanche. To commit more crimes, I think that is going to scare a lot of people. Into wanting to move out of these two cities where the crime is likely to increase, so you've got that and you've got covert and not just what just happened, but the idea that if it can happen once, he can happen again. You know and if you're going to have to be quarantined, people who are living in apartments in cities especially if they have kids and they shut down the park, I mean you're all cooped up in a little apartment. It's much better if you have your own house. You have your own yard. You have your own playground there. You know you have more space. You're not as negatively affected by having to stay home. If you have a nice home with a lot of space versus a small apartment in a city of course, cities are more congested I mean if diseases are out there, you're more likely to contract them if you're in a densely populated city. Then in in in the country, so that's another reason to be in the country because you have less of a chance, but also now we've got all these people working at home i. think what haven't is when a lot of people were working from home, and they were in the city, and they realized that they could work from home. The idea was what the hell am I doing in a city. If could work from home might. Might as well work from home out in the country. I'm in the city because I don't want to commute. I didn't want to spend an hour an hour and a half each morning, and then again the evening in traffic or on the train, but if I'm not having to come into the office, why am I paying all this money to live in a tiny apartment? So I think a lot of people jump to this conclusion and. All of a sudden went out to to buy real estate, and so I think that temporarily is skewing the numbers I think after the initial rush I think you're gonNA, see back off although I do think that trend away from living in cities and a new preference for the country is is going to be a big trend that is going to be in motion for many many years so I think you're gonNA see an exodus. From these cities, which is going to have big implications for these cities have a destruction of the tax base, which is going to make it harder to provide services, which is going to make it even create even more reasons for people to want to get out. But also it has a big impact on relative real estate values I think you're gonNA. See big declines in the value of urban apartments in the big cities relative to the prices out in the suburbs in the country. Right that's going to change, and that also has big implications for the mortgage lenders, because some of the most expensive properties are these downtown, big city, a condos and when nobody wants them. The prices are gonNA. Implode I. Mean you won't be to give these things away and so you're going to talk about substantial losses from the lenders. Resulting from an exodus from cities, but I would not look at the housing data that has come out in the last month or two as being some. How indicative that! Hey! There's a lot of strength fear in the economy that we that we were overlooking. There isn't strength at all. There's a lot of weakness. In fact, some of the real estate sales are actually masking this underlying weakness, but as the months go by, and we get fully into the relapse. Just like people were optimistic because the rebound was stronger than expected, and that was a motivation for buying equities. They're going to be equally surprised by the severity of the relapse. How? How much weaker the economy ultimately gets because again. They don't understand that. We were headed to recession anyway. This cove nineteen is just handy, convenient scapegoat. I mean everybody from the Federal Reserve to Congress. Everybody is going to try to blame. All of the economic problems on Covid nineteen, and on the response that we were reformist to to enact those policies to keep us safe and protect us from the pandemic right, but the reality is a severe recession was going to get started anyway, and that recession is just being compounded by the problems, not only of Covid, but of the self inflicted problems of the overreaction to cove it. which brings me to the Federal Reserve again? Because the last time I did my podcast. It was the day after. Powell had testified before the United. States Senate while the following day. He was up on Capitol Hill again, testifying before the House of Representatives. And so one of the most interesting aspects of the testimony, and this is true both days. Is the lack of opposition to what the Fed is doing. I mean at least if you go back to the hearings that Bernardi had when they first did qe one. There are a lot of people who were skeptical about what the Fed was doing. Particularly Republicans right. We're skeptical about money printing and. The Fed creating problems with its policy. But pretty much. Everybody is in agreement that the Fed is doing the right thing. Even the Republicans I mean nobody was worried. Now sure you have a lot of people who are mistaken in that they believe that the criticism of Bruna Aqui was unwarranted because we didn't have any problems all that that that worked that qe. Saved! US and it worked well. The fact that we have qe four is proof that it didn't work right the fact that we had to do it over and over and over pros that when we did it to first time, it didn't work it if it worked, we wouldn't have had to do it again. In fact when they initially proposed it, it was because it was going to work, and it was never going to be done again. The fact that it's a decade later and we're doing the same thing. Is All the proof you need that. We never should have done it in the first place yet. Everybody wants to assume that it worked just because we didn't have a dollar crisis just because we didn't have you know hyper inflation now a lot of this stuff is going to happen anyway, but just because those things didn't happen, didn't mean that what the Fed did back then didn't cause a lot of damage because it did. But the point is my point. Is that that skept schism is completely God. Everybody just accepts the fact that what the Fed is doing is a good idea that buying bonds buying junk bonds that this is. This is acceptable that this is good. In fact, every single congressman who questioned? Powell. began his or her comment. By praising Powell! And thanking him. For the job that he's doing for the help that he is providing to the economy, and to the American people and there the fact that you're getting all this widespread praise from Congress is proof in and of itself. That Powell is doing a lousy job. The job of the chairman of the Federal Reserve is not to be popular. In fact, it's the opposite it's to. To do things that are unpopular. That's why the Fed is independent right, so they don't have to do things that are politically popular or speedy, so they can make the difficult and unpopular choices. Look the last good fed chairman we had was Paul Volcker, and he wasn't popular with anybody other than Ronald Reagan and what are the good things that Reagan did? Was He defended? Paul, Volcker, unlike. President trump who is highly critical of POW when Powell was barely raising interest rates, and he was beating the hell out of them. Rates went to twenty percent. When Ronald Reagan was president, and he didn't have one unkind word to say about Paul Volcker he's stood. He's stood behind Paul Volcker. COULD YOU IMAGINE DONALD TRUMP? Doing that complete opposite people want to say that he's like Ronald. Reagan he's not I said from the beginning. He is the Republican Jimmy Carter. That is who donald trump is the republican Jimmy Carter. He is a one term. President. Of A a party and he's going to be sandwiched between the terms of two other parties right because. Before Jimmy. Carter was president. We had Richard, Nixon and Gerald Ford so we had Republican presidents and then all of a sudden we had one. Democrat, so he had eight years of Republicans, and now we had four years of a Democrat followed by eight years of Republican, which was Reagan, and so Carter was really a bridge to Reagan, because what happened was. We got some bad economic problems. It happened under Republicans. The public wanted an outsider, and so they pick the peanut farmer from Georgia. Jimmy Carter as an outsider to basically drain the swamp and clean up. Washington plus you had to lingering effects, of Watergate so they wanted an outsider, but when Carter came in, and simply really continued the failed policies of Nixon, when it comes to the economy, the economic problems the inflation, the unemployment got worse under Carter not better, and that provided the impetus for the nation to to move to Reagan, so we went from liberal. Liberal Republicans and we backlash to conserve Republicans, because the nation became so disillusioned with Jimmy Carter Right. There was hope that Carter would change things, but it got worse, and in fact had it not been for Carter electing Ronald Reagan probably never would have been possible. I don't think the country would have been willing to do that I. mean the last time somebody like Reagan ran. It was buried gold goldwater and he got destroyed. By Lyndon Johnson. But. Reagan was actually more conservative than goal. Water yet Reagan won in a landslide, whereas goldwater was destroyed in a landslide, and what was the difference? I mean there's only twenty years right between the nineteen sixties or nine thousand nine hundred eighty s, the difference was Jimmy Carter and how bad things got under Carter? Well, I was saying from the beginning. That's going to happen in reverse with trump right? The economy was actually bad under Obama, even though people claimed it was good, trump was brought in as an outsider to clean up Washington and drained swamp, and since he failed to do that, and simply continued to failed policies of Obama now the nation is GonNa Backlash and instead of going hard right like we did under Reagan. We're GONNA go hard left, and even though we're not electing Bernie Sanders were electing Joe. Biden Joe Biden is going to govern as if you were Brady. Sanders because it's the Bernie Sanders ideology the AOC idiot. That is now controlling the Democratic Party and so when we elect Biden. That's what we're electing. We're going to have a democratic administration that is going to be far to the left of any Democratic Administration that we've had but to go back to the point I was making before I, digressed down down this road. Is that nobody in? Congress was criticizing the Fed right. Everybody was praising Powell for his help. Well You know we don't want that. We want a fed chairman to do what Volker did to take away the punch bowl, not to be the one spiking it with alcohol. We don't want the federal. Reserve to be helpful in enabling the government to go deeper into debt. Right to to to spend more money. We want a fed that is going to impose discipline on Congress and the Federal Government Right? It's when the Federal Reserve is unpopular, not only with Congress but with the public. That's when you know. The Fed is doing a good job when everybody loves the Fed when everybody is praising the Fed. The Fed is not doing its job, which it's not and I think the problem to lies in the fact that so many people actually believe that the Fed is there to help the economy that it's that data's purpose that that's the role of the Fed right to conduct monetary policy in a way that actually helps the economy, and you know a lot of these congressmen were reiterating the fact that we need to take action because you have a lot of people who, through no fault of their own or unemployed, and maybe it's GonNa. Take a long time for them to get their jobs back. You know maybe they worked. Worked in restaurants, or they worked in travel and leisure or something like that, and who knows how long it's going to be before they can get those jobs back, and so it's up to the government to tide them over and to make them whole, and to make sure that they don't lose because this isn't their fault, and this is not the government's job, I mean it's not only not the feds job. It's not the government's job to make everybody whole look you know. Life sometimes throws. You throws you problems I. Mean nobody is guaranteed. You know a life where you never have to lose. You know if you. Have Lost Your job and if people are reluctant to go back to restaurants, and now you can't get a job as a waiter. You gotta get a job doing something else. I mean just because you have a job. Today doesn't mean that the government guarantees that you're gonNA. Have that exact same job tomorrow? People are going to have to adapt if there's more demand for what you were doing in the past. Then you better figure out something else that you can do in the future. The government doesn't oh. You a living, because the government can't provide you with a limited because the government doesn't have anything. It matter whose fault it is if you're in trouble, even because it's not, your fault is thought to the federal government. To to bail you out or to to make you whole, but everybody was agreeing that. This is what needs to be done, and it's the Federal Reserve that needs to do it. Because, the perception is the Federal Reserve has access to money that maybe Congress doesn't. But the Federal Reserve only has access to a printing press. Printing money doesn't create purchasing power. I've talked about that many times. Pre Printing money just redistributes purchasing power well. That's what Congress does Congress redistribute purchasing power through taxation. They take money from one person and give it to somebody else. All the Federal Reserve can do is redistribute perceive power another way through inflation by taking the value of money from one person and giving it to something. Somebody else did con- Federal Reserve isn't doing anything that Congress can't do it just has this sneakier way of going about it? But it's because there is a perception that there's no cost when the Fed prince money that you now have all this pressure on the Federal Reserve to print it, and to give it out to make everybody whole, but the Fed can't make everybody whole. It can't make if it makes some people whole. It's at the expense of other people right so if we're going to say that the people who are losing for no fault of their own needs to be made, whole will then who is going to make them whole. It's other. Americans are going to have to. To be taxed through no fault of their own in order to make sure that these other Americans aren't going to suffer, but the politicians don't want to acknowledge that the only way to make some people whole is to take other people, and and and put a hole in their pockets right. They have to be made even less than I mean you can have some wealthier individuals who are still employed, but maybe they're making less money than they were before because cove it, and now they have to make even less because some of their money has to be taken. To to bail out, people who the politicians feel are more deserving of the money, but all of this overlooks the basic. IDEA. Or the basic reality? That, the Federal Reserve is powerless to help the economy right. The Federal Reserve cannot create economic growth by printing money. Can't create jobs by printing money. It can only create inflation now if you think inflation is the way to create prosperity. If you think increased flation leads to economic growth and jobs, then we'll. Maybe you think the Fed can help, but if you believe that you'd be wrong, you know and in fact if you go back to the. Original Federal Reserve Act Nineteen. Thirteen Federal Reserve Act and I've talked about this before, but I'm talking about it again. The original Federal Reserve Act. There was nothing in there. About the Federal Reserve, having any role in trying to help the economy. This is the original mandate of the Federal Reserve that existed from nineteen thirteen until nineteen, seventy seven. The Federal Reserve so furnish an elastic currency. To afford means of rediscounting commercial paper, and to establish a more effective supervision of banking in the United States, that's it. Those were the three missions of the Federal Reserve. Provide an elastic money supply. And if you don't know what that means. And elastic money supply meant that the money supply would expand and contract like a rubber band with the economy so when the economy was expanding. The Fed would expand the money supply to accommodate an expanding economy, and then when the economy was contracting, then the Fed would contract money supply along with the economy, and so the idea behind that would be price stability, even though there is no specific charge of price stability. That an elastic money supply would be more conducive to stable prices over the business cycle. But what does the Fed do now? Do they provide an elastic money supply? No, they actually provide the opposite of that. Because the money supply never contracts in only expanse in fact today, the Federal Reserve expands the money supply when the economy is expanding, but then when the economy contracts instead of contracting money supply, which was its original mission. It expands it even faster. Right, that's what we do and we have a recession. They print more money. The Fed becomes more accommodative during the recession than it was during the expansion when it was created for the opposite purpose right so the Fed is acting in diametrically opposed to why it was created, and in fact had. The people who supported the Federal Reserve in one, thousand, nine, thirteen had they proposed that the Federal Reserve expand the money supply continuously the way it's doing it now. To Federal Reserve Act never would have been enacted into law. Nobody would have passed it. Nobody would have been dumb enough to agree with that at the time. Right, but once the camel's nose under the tent once we had a Federal Reserve well, then we were able to. Make it much worse. By giving it these powers or changing its mandate and that mandate. Stayed there until nineteen, seventy, seven, now, the other thing a to afford a means of rediscounting commercial paper. If you don't know what that means, commercial paper is short term debt issued by corporations, and what that meant was the Federal Reserve could buy that data discount and reissue it with his own credit, so in other words it was acting as a bank because all banks are rediscounted commercial paper, so the Federal Reserve was. was going to act as a bank right I mean that's what it was doing. And then the other thing it was doing was to supervise other banks right so was supervising the banks. There's nothing in there about the economy that didn't happen. Until one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, seven, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, seven. They amended the Federal Reserve Act and this is what they replaced those words with this is the new mandate. To promote effectively the goals of maximum employment, stable prices and moderate long term interest rates, so none of those goals were in the original reserve act of nineteen thirteen. So, why did Congress in nineteen seventy seven believe that the Federal Reserve could actually do any of these things and the reason is. During the nineteen seventies, the economy was very bad, right? We had stagflation. We had rising unemployment. We had rising inflation and rising interest rates right. Those are the very three things that the Federal Reserve was charged or the three problems at the federal. Reserve was charged with solving. This was all political. Government was looking for a scapegoat and they were looking for an easy way out. They had all these problems and they wanted to pretend that the Fed reserve could actually solve them, so they changed the federal. Reserve Act and they said hey federal. Reserve, it's your responsibility to make sure that unemployment is too high that we have stable prices and that we don't have interest rates that are too high, right? The Federal Reserve was now charged with that in nineteen, seventy seven, and the irony of it is the reason that we had rising inflation, rising interest rates and rising unemployment was because. Because of the Fed. What was the Fed doing wrong? In the nineteen seventies? Well, it was monetize government debt. It was doing precisely what it's doing today. Only today is doing it on a much bigger scale, and far more recklessly than what the Fed was doing back then, but the US government was running big deficits in one thousand, nine hundred sixty s, and the nineteen seventies, which the Federal Reserve decided to monetize instead of refusing to buy those bonds and allowing interest rates to be even higher. The Fed intervened and basically did the equivalent of Qe I mean they didn't call it quantitative easing, but that's what they were doing. They were expanded balance-sheet. They're buying US government debt and they were printing money to do it. And that was resulting and rising prices, which was pushing up interest rates. It was weaken the economy, so they basically charged Federal Reserve with solving the very problems. A Federal Reserve was created. And that's why those problems actually got worse right? Look what happened after nine, hundred, seventy seven once the federal. Reserve was now in charge of price stability and keeping interest rates low, and and keeping unemployment down unemployment went up. Interest rates went way up. Inflation got even higher right. It wasn't until Paul. Volcker actually came in in in. Nineteen eighty and really ignored. Two out of those three mandates, and really just focused on prices and inflation, and they call it a dual mandate now even though technically there's three things there because it's employment, interest, rates and prices, but really people. Sometimes they lump in. Interest rates and inflation as one mandate and employment. But it's. It's a false idea. To believe that the Federal Reserve. Can create jobs that the Federal Reserve. Can. Solve a problem of unemployment. It can't. All the federal. Reserve can create his inflation. And creating inflation doesn't create jobs, but just because that mandate is there. That's why I believe. A lot of politicians believe falsely. That the US government or the Federal Reserve rather can. Effect Economic Policy Right that you have two forms of economic policy you have monetary policy and you have fiscal policy and that the Fed conducts monetary policy, but that the goal of monetary policy is a stronger economy to create prosperity to create economic growth. That's not the case. That's not why we had a Federal Reserve that. There was not one argument made to that effect when they were bringing about the Federal Reserve. It wasn't until later. It wasn't until the federal. Reserve help screw up the economy that now people believed that the Federal Reserve could actually do something positive to help the economy now to the extent that a sounder banking system and elastic money supply. would be good for the economy. Well, sure people believe that by pursuing those banking functions right defend could be helpful to the economy. Sure, but they did not believe that there was any specific monetary policy that the Fed would pursue. That would help the economy and again. How do you help the economy by printing money? You don't create anything value when you simply add more units of money and stirred in the economy, the money is simply there as a way of dividing up what we've produced right so the more money that you accumulate the greater claim, you have to the overall production of the economy, but as long as the money that you have is related to the input that you provide as you provide goods and services into the economy. You earn money and. And now that money that you've earned by putting goods and services into the economy now that allows you to claim goods and services to take out of the economy, so that's when it works, but when you have the Federal Reserve, just putting money into the economy, having done nothing to put goods and services in the economy. All that's happening. Is You're deluding the purchasing power of the money that exists the only reason the damage is not being immediately. Inflicted in evident is because of the trade deficits and the reserve currency status of the United States and the fact that we're able to export this inflation, and all these dollars temporarily housed overseas, and they're going into bonds instead of consumer goods or other financial assets, but those days are coming to an end. We have pushed this envelope as far as you possibly can, and it's about to break. We're on the precipice of the end of this monetary system. And because we have taken it to this degree. Because we are now so emboldened right from having exercised this exorbitant privilege for so long that we think that the deficit that we're running now. Are Sustainable that we can have trillion dollar amount. Deficits. That we can run the entire federal government practically with the printing press that there's no program that we can't afford. Because all we have to do is print the my to pay for it. Where we have the attitude that we have to thank the Federal Reserve for you know it's generosity in how you know how willing it is to print money and give it out. This is going to scare the rest of the world into abandoning a system that it should have abandoned a long long time ago, and because it didn't. The global economic imbalances have only gotten much much worse. Than would have been the case. The world done the right thing sooner with respect to rejecting the dollars role as the reserve currency, but since nobody is worried about this, nobody sees this train coming. This is exactly what's about to happen and I really think it's GonNa play out probably during the term of of of Biden I mean obviously, if trump is reelected, which is along slot than it will happen under trump. But, it's most likely going to happen under Biden, although it is possible that the whole can claps before trump finishes his term, but I think the lion's share of this is going to play out under a Biden and that might be our one shot right because things going to get so bad in the first term of Biden that maybe we have a shot of making sure that he doesn't have a second term. And maybe we can have. A A. Real free market guy running in two thousand and twenty four whether he'll have a chance of winning. That remains to be seen, but that's one one bright light that we can potentially hope for, but in the meantime I think that people ought to look at the action to technical action that I pointed to earlier in the podcast in the markets and realize that they need to take action. If you haven't already done, so get more and more money. Out of US stocks, you know I was listening on CNBC Jeremy Grantham hedge fund manager very very good interview on CNBC one of the rare good interviews on CNBC and basically his advice to American investors was to sell all of their US stocks, one hundred percent sell everything, and just by emerging markets and close your eyes, and all do really well, and I agree that the emerging markets represent very good investment opportunity, but I also would include Gulf stocks and some other developed market stocks I'm not all in on emerging markets, but I very much agree. Grantham sentiment that the US. Stock Market is a disaster waiting to happen. We are on the precipice of a major long-term bear market. The only thing that might obscure it is the substantial inflation that will make it harder to detect the severity of the downturn if you're simply measuring it in depreciating doctors but if you look at it in terms of gold, or certainly, if you compare the performance, let's say ten years from now if you look back and compare the performance to the US stock market versus. Versus emerging markets stock markets. I think the US will pale. In comparison to those markets so there are other is looking at Stephen Roach. Who many cases Stephen I have been on the same page on a lot of things, but he has never really been nearly as apocalyptic as me when it comes to the dollar's demise. Now he's on the same page I mean he is out there now. Forecasting a major collapse in the value of the dollar, an end, the dollar's reserve currency status. Big Time inflation, so he has been one of the few guys from Wall Street that actually understood these problems, and has been warning about them over the decades, but his warnings were never that dire until right now. And so you have other people joining me and there's a little bit of acquire going on. Although we're still in the in the minority of people who are now saying that the worst case scenario is upon us, and we're about to see this major. Economic. Collapse centered on the dollar, a collapse of the monetary system that is going to lead to a massive degradation of the American standard of living, and it's going to happen at a time where we're very vulnerable, based on the politics of the day to embrace socialism in a way that we've never done it and do in power government in ways never before imagined. Imagined so the point is act quickly. GET RID OF US stocks and bonds get rid of dollars. Load up on foreign stocks, emerging markets, gold silver gold stocks. You know we could be about to see a huge huge move up until now it's been slow and steady right well. I think that looks like it's going to change and again the same thing for Bitcoin. Bitcoin I think has been eking out a top, and it looks to me like it's more likely to break down than break out. And, so you know you've pressed your lock if you're still holding onto your cryptos. Well before your luck runs out, get out and get into sound money and other ways of preserving your purchasing power, because purchasing power is going to be destroyed in the United States in ways that had been unimaginable. And it's unfortunate you know. I think that I'm going to be vindicated. On these forecasts that I've been making for many many years, and I'm not GonNa take any pleasure in the fact that I'm going to be vindicated in an even greater way than I originally thought because a lot of my worst case scenarios a lot of the things that I feared most. Are happening in fact, they're happening worse than I actually thought possible, so I think the collapse is going to be more spectacular than the one that I originally envisioned and because we succeeded. In kicking the can down the road. That success comes at a tremendous cost. For the US economy because we made all the problems worse, we made the bubble much bigger, and so now there's a lot more air that's GonNa. Come out. So. It does mean that there's a much bigger pay day. For My Investment Strategy Yes. We're GONNA get paid later than I thought, but we're GONNA be paid much bigger than I thought. But the price in terms of what's going to happen to the US economy in the American way of life is also going to be much greater, and it doesn't make me happy. I don't get any kind of personal satisfaction in being right about forecasting such horrible things happening to a country that I love. But I'm sure I will have some satisfaction in the fact that at least I saw it coming early enough. To help enough, people enough Americans in particular save themselves. Because the key to getting the country on the right track eventually is to make sure that the people that know what that track is. Don't go bankrupt. Don't get wiped out because so many Americans will. It's those of us who don't. It's those of us who preserve our wealth now by getting out of US dollars by buying gold by investing in foreign assets. We're going to have the resources to repatriate and bring that money home and hopefully try to rebuild America once. There's a better appreciation and understanding. Among the electorate of of why? The economy collapsed in the first place, and what actually needs to be done. To solve because, because Donald Trump did show that. Maybe Americans are ready to make. America great again, I mean even though Donald. Trump didn't talk about the need to cut government spending because he thought. Maybe that wasn't a way to get elected. Maybe since things are going to be so much worse in twenty, twenty four than they were in twenty sixteen, maybe there will be. A political route for somebody who can level with the public about the need to cut government spending dramatically, and the the the the long term gain that would be associated with that temporary short-term pain suffered by those who are giving up a government check and again if the dollar is worthless, the appeal of government check is going to be greatly diminished because what good is money. That doesn't buy anything.

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"John Hardt Toungoo stop by. We're putting off fasttrack for minute. Because we got a chance to talk to John from sports net LA and the dodgers are. I mean it's not overstating it to say they're juggernaut, I would say, that's not overstating it thirty three and eleven since they had that six game losing streak early in the season. They were eight eight and they've been on stoppable ever since then as Dave Roberts says they've been relentless that pretty much describes the way this team has been the starting pitching has been just spectacular. I mean they've got they've got five guys you said Walker Buehler's thrown tonight. He's, he's been sort of the weak link in the chain. But the rest of that rotation has been fantastic. Yeah. If you wanna say weak link in the chain, this is a guy. He only had one start during spring training source. First few starts of the regular season. Nomar were was basically saying that was his extended spring training. And then once he got into a bit of a groove. He looks like the Walker Beulah we've seen for a long time last time out gave up a couple of homers to Pete Alonzo. But don't let that your Walker. Dealer is feared by every other team in that National League when they go against him. They don't enjoy that whatsoever. It's a rotation that you can plug in any of the five guys and, you know, you're going to get a good outing from that guy pretty much every single time. If you go into the actual physician players, people are getting hurt left and right and you see someone else's steps up AJ Pollock. It's hurt vouch for do go steps up. Somebody else gets hurt. Matt Beatty comes up and then we'll Smith comes up for the hurt. Austin Barnes was that say about the team itself, and how they kind of go about their daily, I think, since day one that was really the goal of Andrew Friedman, Stan Kasten, and this organization when they took over part of the ownership group, they wanted to create this kind of depth and I don't think we've ever really seen this at the major league level very often where you have a team that is still building and contending at the same time and had Colletti talks about it all the time. He's marveling at what they've been able to do to have veterans and have so many young guys and to be able to go down into the triple A team and poach some guys from down there. Call them up and they're producing. There's been no draw. Off whatsoever. Matt babies come up and has produced Will Smith as looked great. Alex for Dugo clearly, one of the top three guys in the rookie of the year race the week the, the question for this team is. How do you get to kenley Jansen kenley has been very, very good has really settled down in his has been great for the last few weeks after not looking like kenley? They have trouble getting to them that middle relief. And that bridge guy just doesn't appear to be there right now. And Nomar has said this on the air a lot of times. Good hitting and bad hitting can be contagious. It could be the same thing with the bullpen. They all realize they're going through a rough stretch right now. We're just hoping that it is a rough stretch. It is somewhat of a pitching slump, if you will, and that a lot of these guys will get right once again in the bullpen will be fine. Now, you watch Andrew Friedman over the years. He has a track record of making deals at the deadline. He knows there's a hard deadline this year, July thirty first, and I would be more. Prized if they don't add at least one more arm is not to more arms before the deadline. One of the main guys right now. That's out. There is Craig kimbrel and he's available right now. You can go get him right now because you're not gonna have to give up a draft pick is that something that the dodgers would actually look at because a lot of people say that they would love to see kimbrel in next to kenley Jansen and others. Like, we don't want to spend that money, I'm sure they will kick the tires on that. But I think Craig kimbrel is going to want to close somewhere and he's going to realize the closing opportunity. Just isn't here with the dodgers unless he wants to get a chance to close them games when Kelly's worked three nights in a row or something like that. I imagine will be pitching for whether it's the cubs. The Braves Phillies, the Phillies. One of those one of those three teams though, that would be my guess. Yeah. Twins, the other one. I would throw into ex you're right. Minnesota twins. I really good to Windsor outrageous. They are like the dodgers in some ways the offense has been ridiculous. But the difference is the twins pitching staff. They're starting pitching has been good. But I think they've really overachieved I have some friends who are twins fans and they will tell you that some of these guys have probably over performed early in the season, and they have bullpen issues as well, similar to what the dodgers have, right. Yeah. I mean and other than ODA Risi, I don't know that they've got a frontline starter on that. And I think that they would look to sign a guy like Dallas puzzle. There's a rumor out there that they will sign kaikal and kimbrough. It wouldn't surprise me. I mean, they've got they've got a very low payroll, so it's not impossible for them to do it this, they're shot right now. And they've got all the bats. I think they're going to need. Yup. Offensively. I think they're going to address pitching and that wouldn't surprise me that would make things awfully interesting. The American League. If you had the twins loading up with those two guys Astros are stacked and you have the Yankees as well. The razor good. The Red Sox are good. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be interesting. Dodgers heavy favorites now to win the World Series there. Four to one picks to win the World Series. Yeah. It's one of those things where we know they're going to win the western divisions. Unless something crazy happens. They're going to probably going to have the best record the National League in home field throughout. And then you get to the playoffs and you hear people say it is a crap shoot. Once you get to walk tapers so anything can happen. But I would be surprised at this point if it's not the dodgers winning a third straight nationally. Wow. Wow. Can I go back to Alex for Dougal for just a second? So Pete Alonzo's having an outstanding year. Right. And I think we were talking about this a little bit before may swear. He doesn't have the home runs and the RBI numbers, but his all his other numbers are fantastic. 'cause he gets on base all the time, and he's really right in the thick of the National League rookie of the year race Kenney still win it without those big power number's. Yeah. Just depends on the voters. The voters will look at Pete Alonzo's numbers at the end. And if this is a guy that has forty plus homers, as a rookie, he's probably gonna win it, even if he's eating to fifty to sixty something like that. What Alex vertigo does he does so many the little things that don't show up in the box, scores that no mar and Jerry just absolutely love from a young guy. A rookie who's able to put the ball in play when you need him to go the other way just to, to try to put the ball on the ground. Sometimes making the plays in the outfield. He is. And he's a bundle of energy to. Yeah. We used to have Yossi El Puig. Now, we have Alex redo go. This is a guy that is keeping things loose and fun in the dugout. Not that other guys don't as well. But he's just a lot of fun to watch every single day. He's without the without the drama. One way to put it. Yeah. I can say, all right. Hey, listen. We'll let you get to the studio Arizona tonight. And it's a good pitching matchup Rattray in Walker Beulah. She'll be a lot of fun. Six thirty. Start time. We're on the five thirty. Awesome. And great seeing you. Thanks John Hart tongue. You're listening to k SPN Los Angeles. Jay impromptu here, go ahead and crank up fast track. All right. Live from the seventh annual ESPN LA golf classic. Brought to you by Gulf gum George Chevrolet, and Callaway golf. I'm Mason, along with Gregg Bergman and for John, Kirk Morrison is here. We're rolling through fasttrack. For you guys. Chris long who just retired revealed that he used marijuana throughout his career. He says, if not for cannabis, I wouldn't have been capable of coping with the stresses of day to day in the NFL life, long says the NFL's random drug test is easy to beat. Because it happens once a year at a preset date to beat it all a player has to do a stop using drugs for a month or two beforehand after the test is over. Mara's marijuana use can resume. He says, quote in that month or two that you stop you're going to reach for the sleeping pills. You're gonna reach for the painkillers you're going to reach for the bottle a little bit more if you're serious about players, not using you'd be testing more often. I hope they go the opposite direction and just kind of realized how arbitrary the test is. So question is if the random tests for recreational drugs, happens, only once a year at a preset time for hasn't the NFL all, but approved marijuana use? No. 'cause they're still guys who still tests, positive. You know what I'm saying? Like. So. Yeah, the testing is, is to, to opportunities. That's why they call it the mandatory minicamp. Why? Because everyone has to be there. That's the one opportunity that the NFL show mitt and campus when you many either getting tested, mandatory minicamp or first day or first week of training. Okay. So everybody's waiting on who gets tested. I saw you get excited. You get to the locker room early that day door minicamp just say it's the running backs all the running back. So their basic throwing a party because basically, we've retesting we get done. We pass our test. They can smoke for the rest of the year. Is that it does? Yes. So really in touch purposes, you just need to see. He's right. It just need to quit for a couple of us got to quit for a couple of months. And the reason why we always say the reason why the NFL is so hard on this because when guys test positive what they're telling us that they are addicted to this. The test is called the substance of abuse. You are abusing the stuff. And if you. Hey, can't quit for two months when you know you're going to be tested. You've got a prophet substance of abuse. And that's why certain guys are in the will be call the program. The NFL is very lenient about it. It it's not like they're you know, trying to say make a trick you they're not tricking you at all, like this is what it is either. Get it at mandatory minicamp, or you get into training camp. If you get it during mini camp, you don't get during training camp. You miss out if you miss it during train academy minicamp. It's going to happen in training camp now. So basically the guys who, who get to don't get tested for minicamp. They usually have a bad summer, basically, if you give today, it's better to get your test out of the way. Yes. And usually the cutoff date, too, by the way. I mean shorts here, but, but Greg is fourth of July right before fourth of July. So that's why you see a lot of guys they'd go. They have a good time ago out, but fourth of July was always that cut off for guys to know that, hey, we gotta gotta clean up. Now maybe some guys before a couple of weeks before then. But, you know, hey trying to use it opens the end of July. You gotta have at least what happened. Did you test positive that you into the program ended yet? No, no. Because the, the initial is you into the program when you enter the program, that's where you get you get the they can test you up to think maybe six seven times a week a week. Yeah. And then my wife is gets a lot. So is that an overkill a little bit? If you missed that test, you're gonna take. Yard or not. Would you. What about what about Josh Gordon go he random? Okay. So that's random act. Well, I had one of my best friends was in the program, and I remember because he's in the program, you always have to let the NFL know where you're at because you can get tested anywhere, like all month ago to Australia for vacation. They'll test him in LAX bathroom. Wow. No, before he even gets on the flight. Right. They'll have they'll get tested there. And they want to get to Australia, you have a liaison out there who will test you just because you're on vacation doesn't mean you're why checked. The testing, you still get tested in other places, and that can happen any time of the year, including during the random drug to that point. Do you go into the program or get suspended? That's, that's different. When you get PD's, you get you test positive you automate, automatics. You're automatically more game suspension, right? Fishing right away. Automatic Cushing had that a couple couple times you automatically. There is no. Oh, I didn't know you actually made me feel smarter about that. I didn't know any of that. This is what Kirk in. It's really easy to. That's the thing about it. Like the way you way out. Just broke it down. If I'm a guy internee NFL, if I know the information. Okay. That's, that's what I that's, that's easy. Right. You're right. I think the biggest part in there though is him saying that, you know, if you're the for those two months that you can't smoke. Right. You're saying you'll for that you start reaching for the pills, and you start reaching for all the data means and all the different things that's a problem. They need to stop somehow figure that part out of it with a has to be federally legal and then they can just let it all go. But that's a problem too, to play me NFL, you can't smoke or you can't the pass these tests. That's just what you know, with obviously, the Denver Broncos are in a state of Colorado, where marijuana Alwaleed, recreational California, but it's, you know, I it's to a point where the NFL they don't wanna be this breeding ground where all of a sudden, you got guys coming into the locker room wood piles of marijuana. All right. Jerry. I got a game. I'm sorry. I didn't know you were going to be here Kirk, so it's going to be just. Her can play you'll get nam hanging. I'm here. All right. So you have John are Steve, you have worked with John for easily twenty plus years. Yes, I want to see how well you actually know John Ireland and I got all of these answers from John. No. They are absolutely accurate. All right. Only five questions we quick for number one. It's a two part. How does Lisa Ireland spell her name? And what is her maiden name? She spells her name. L. E. A S A us, right? Okay. Her maiden name. I don't think I know nail V I N. A L E. I don't think I ever knew it now. I would have remembered that. All right. What did I made? What did John Major in at UCLA? History. That's right. Yeah. Absolutely right. Okay. Good. Good. All right. This one's a little bit tougher for you. Okay. How old is Jack Ireland and what grade is he in. Let's see. Jack is. Fifteen. Am I close? Yeah. Let me close ish. Seventeen. Yes, seventeen so whatever eighteen he'd be a senior now eleventh grade. Eleventh grade. Jack Ireland very Jack knows me, by the way. Really, well, I think you're gonna get this one, right? 'cause you were talking about them earlier game. The three markets. John worked in before getting LA, Beaumont Monroe and San Diego. Absolutely. All right. And before you and John were reignited in two thousand and four you each did a Sunday show at Fox Sports radio heated the morning shift from nine AM to one PM. And then he came in and you or the new came in and at one pm to five pm with Jim Lampley. Yes. Who were the partners on the morning shift with John will Jim Mora was one of them, correct? Who is the other guy? And by the way you saw these guys every week Ray Smith. That's right. Hey, you got most of them race relations. Yeah. VR. No VR God. Yeah. Billy Wright, well done. That's that's the game. So I, I knew most of it most just miss check. I'm actually impressed. Okay. Let's see. I've got a game. Okay. Jay. This game is called deliver not to love that. It's the question. I've got five pairs of celebrities someday to divert your eyes. Some dated and some of these relationships are totally made up. I've got nine of these nine of these so it is Kirk versus Greg. Helen Mirren and Liam Niessen were they ever together. I. Yes, they were Greg says. Yes, I say. No. And Greg gets that right thing. We're again. Wow. All right. George Clooney and Juliana Margulis were they ever together Kirk? Yes. Who see that one says, yes, I'm gonna say no. Greg is up two to nothing ever work again, who who's, who's the woman who got the head the baby by just recently his wife. All my Molly. Okay. Yeah. Okay. See I'm getting right? Yeah. All right share and Tom Cruise were they ever together? They this has to be a trick. I'm gonna say no though, but it has to be a trip. Crushes no Kirk. I think I'm gonna go no as well. I don't I don't think she's share. Tom Cruise that you guys are both wrong. They see they know she had great things to say about him to early twenties. Yeah. Early a real I see. My eyes in my mind is locked on the couch jumping, and Kidman Meryl Streep and Robert Duvall, Meryl Streep and Robert Duvall. It go with Kirk. I. Meryl streep. I, I would say, yes. Yes. Seems like right around the right time. But I'm just saying no, Greg is up three to nothing. They were not SCO together. That's what you do. Really good. Rod and Halle Berry, Greg. With J lo now. I feel like that would be a jerk jeeter thing. So no, Greg says, no, I'm gonna go. No. On this one. Kirk, you guessed right there, four to one Greg. They were never together, only because I did see the guy who she was with a long time ago. The other day David Justice Justice. Right. Remember that, Ryan Gosling and Sandra Bullock were they ever together? Start with you. Greg seems like another tricky one. I'm gonna say, yes. Greg says, yes, Kirk, I'm gonna go to no, Kirk, you're incorrect. Again, Ryan Gosling, and Sandra Bullock, were together, and I think that would be as well. What's the age difference? That would make her a Bob cat. Yes. But with different she's a cougar. She's a cougar. It's like Demi Moore and yeah. All right. Let's go with dated cliff Kingsbury. That's what it is. Because s Gosling rise. D'appel ganger. Correct. That's that's the d'appel game. K spears and Colin Farrell. Britney Spears and Colin Farrell. Kirk. I'm gonna say no, no, I actually remember this. They did. Yep. Greg is right. He's up six to one now and actually 'cause weird really Colin Farrell, and the last one at six to one Greg, this one is worth, when you this is worth. This is worth five. Worth five and a half the rock. Yes. And Anna Kendrick. Start with you Kirk. No, no. Yes. I've never heard the rock with anybody. I'm just saying no. Yup. They've never been together. The victory. That, that man, Sandra Bullock. Yes. Sandra Bullock and Ryan Gosling issues. Definitely a cougar Razi. All right. There you have it. There is your faster at Greg, you survived it. You did. Well, how long how long were these relationships, by the way, like a day today? We. I don't I don't know. There's some weird ones though picture or would Simon cow, and Carmen Electra. Remember that one I know that. And yeah, I remember an alarm Electra and changes hair all the time. Yeah. Sure. All right. There you have it. Here's your fasttrack. Thanks, kirk. I know you gotta get ready for the show. See purgatory. All right. We'll see a purgatory Mason and Ireland again, we are live at the seventh annual ESPN LA golf classic live from industry, Hills, Golf course at the Pacific palms resort presented by valvoline instant oil change, and Kawais koala rum company. Mason, ireland. Greg's infra Johnny. SPN oleg. Hey, we are live at the seventh annual ESPN, LA golf classic live from the industry, Hills, Golf course, at the Pacific poems resort presented in part by the red chicks Nashville, hot chicken, which is right over here. Delicious Johnson Ville, Amazon restaurants, and alkaline Eighty-eight water. What do you just pointing things now I wanted to do the Travis, Matthew one oh and Travis Matthew, too. Yeah. Should we talk in the middle of their backswing to, we don't know them? But no, we don't know them. I don't want to taunt people, I don't know. I mean, don't you do it a golf course? Though, taunt. Yeah. Why not? That's what Honey. That's when I when I think of when I think Steve, Mason, golf course, I think of you jackass whenever I'm out talking, whenever I'm out here, I think, and it's once a year, I go to a golf course, for this tournament, it, by the way, all the benefits all the proceeds, go to the V foundation. I always think I, I'd like to take up golf, right? But it's just filled with rich people, which is like the anti Steve made a solo, not me driving around in a cart with somebody pulling your bag around for you. Well, if you're in the cart, you have the bag on the back, let's say you have Chris Morales in the car with you. What you've already swearing off golf in the car with me. I think that's the biggest thing with golf. You are out here for four to five hours. Tasty so long. Yes. And then you have to practice and then you have to go to the driving rain. There's so many plot will. Yes. I mean what are you saying about people? He's a rich person. John is like a one percenter. Yeah. Well, he's plays golf easily three times a week. John a one percenter. And he owns it right. Oh, he he, he will tell you. I'm at one percent. Absolutely. He's going to say, I go to the golf course three times a week, and I'm not pretending I mean, I'm a five percenter could for you, man. I'm like a ninety nine but I live like everybody else. Right. You do so. I don't live a fancy life. You're a five percent of that lives like ninety nine percent her. Exactly, exactly. Although I've been to your house, and it's perfectly fine. Yes. But you've been Ireland's house. I have been mid who's got who's got a bigger house island. Definitely has bigger house who's gonna store. He's got a fancier Thailand. Thailand is a fancier house. He's got the dog. He's got the Hinault. He's got the wall. With Steve gigantic yard. He's got the TV room. Is bigger than my whole living spaces TV were right when you have a room that's dedicated just to TV. Yeah. That's it's just a gigantic TV and a massage chair. You know what I call that? Not my bedroom. Yeah. Exactly. So, yeah, I always think about taking up golf. But I'm I'm thinking, probably not I played Bill for a lot of my life with my dad because he was really into it, and he's a good golfer. But for some reason, I get out once twice a year, I get out for this usually me and John will play golf in the morning at six o'clock in the morning before this golf tournament. And then I play with my dad on Father's Day, and that's it. That's it year twice a year. And you're okay playing just twice a year. Oh I mean I I don't break a hundred. Yeah, but you know I got I got a good shots here. And there one there's times where I'll have a shot like a tee shot like this guy who just hit it right down the middle. Yup. I'll do that every once in a while be like, oh, this is why I like playing this. And then the next shot is flubbed over. The just I'm just afraid, I would suck so bad. I'd go out and play with Ireland one round. Oh man. He would like to go. I'd like to go play with him and his rich friends when slow them down. What, what if it was you? Samuel jackson. John Ireland and Ben Ben. Yeah. I think that's a great for, for some I'd have a blast on that force. Let's put it this way, you'd get along with Ben more than anybody else. It's totally true. Totally true. Hey, so dodgers are in Arizona. Tonight they are now three to two favorites to win the National League pennant. They swept the Phillies this weekend. You were at that game yesterday. It was there was no scoring until the seventh seventh inning. Right. On the seventh it was scoreless both Nick Pavetti for for really. Well hitched really, really well kept on train wreck all year. He struck out Cody Bellinger twice in the first two at bats. He struck him out and then Cody got his tenth. You've gotta hit in tenth game in a row for him, by the way. So that was used, but you're starting to see the starting rotation really come into form. And really you're seeing Kershaw there. The dodgers are now nine in. Oh, yeah. Kershaw starts RIA was the pitcher of the month this month, Br you in Vegas right now is the face. To win the Cy Young award. He's at five to two Luis Castillo from the reds is the fifteen to, to Zach Davies from. The brewers is fifteen to two in Zach cranky from the Diamondbacks as fifteen to two. And you think ninety one. Yeah. Well, 'cause he's been fantastic. Yeah. Really, he's been a really good pitcher. And so, but with review, you don't think that he's going to win the Cy Young. I think I think it depends on how much time they give him to rest during the year and they're definitely given his shoulder history. He's not gonna make thirty starts. No. But I didn't need thirty starts is he gonna make twenty five is gonna make twenty he's already pulled those numbers the other day, I think he's already made ten starts. You know, does he may eight? No. So does he make twenty starts does he make twenty five starts, maybe twenty five starts? You've got a shot to win the Cy Young award. I mean, if he stays below the to the two ERA that he has in the low whip and the low fifth and have all those different numbers that he has that are. Fantastic. I think he's got a great shot at it. I mean right now, the dodgers, really have the favourite Ford, the MVP and the Cy Young odds for NL MVP, Cody bellinger's at two, two one. Wow. Yelich is at five to one or Nado, six to one Josh bell from the pirates nine to one and Harvey by his ten to one. You know what's crazy about Christian yelich, his twenty two home runs? And he is by far out performing what he did at the start of last year is the MVP, and he doesn't look anything like Cody Bellinger. No, not at all. It's crazy. Right. The other the other guy that deserves a huge amount of credit is jock Peterson who now has eighteen home runs facing only right hand pitching, right. Half the time he's on the on the field and he's got to less home runs and Cody, but he's baton something in the two sixty to seventy range. I mean he's really developed as a as a hitter, right? Because he's never been able to hit lefties. Right. That's been always what it was. You can't hit lefties. We're not even going to try to make you hit lefties, and he has been. Been fantastic to the point where when he starts when he leads off inning. Yep. You're almost expecting a home run. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's been. He's been fantastic. And you know if you look at this team they lead the league now they lead the National League in batting average runs scored on base percentage, slugging percentage in oak as a team. They've got an eight twenty two P s that's out of control on basal Lilly, rake. And what's his on? What's there on base percentages teams you have? I don't have L K. Well, that's that. I know I know they got better than any team in the National League have to if they have the best, and they're, they're really high up there, and they had a lot of home runs the second at home runs behind Milwaukee, and you know. Yeah. I think that's the biggest part of it is, how often they get on base, even if they have a decently low batting average, they got on base so often that they they're always in position to score. So all it takes is one hit, and they're not home runner bust anymore. No for a long time. I mean last year if you looked at that team they were home running bust home, runner, bust. They were swinging from their heels. And now you see guys put the ball on the ground. You see guys move on his over. You see guys beat the shift mean you see guys take the ball the other way. I mean they're just really, really good. They're going up to the plate with great plans and that shows on a on a batter to batter base. This is the most complete I've ever seen this team and John Ireland's here. Hey John Ireland on you stole my growl at the beginning. That's all that's all. Well, wait a minute. How did how did base for Greg doing fasttrack? He did actually pretty well. He did pretty great. Did you do the John Ireland quiz did I may? How did Mason do he got almost every one of them? Right. Except for Jack Ireland the great I had him at sixteen. You only missed by one year yell. He's at fifteen but yeah, I said fifteen. Yeah. And I did not know Lisa's May Day bitten Yali big Nali. Yeah. Talion. That's why I can't mess with her. You know, I'll get you know you go last sleep with the fishes fish. How'd you play with three holes left? We cooled off a little bit now after we you guys were good. Look term after we left you birdied five holes in a row. Wow. Oh, why don't we cooled off? We're, I think we're ten under with three to go. Is that enough to win? Probably not. But it's enough to place. Do you because at the top? No. But somebody's cheating. I guarantee you are just in our we ten or we eleven ten okay? Do you stay for the awards banquet? No. I didn't even know. There was one award banquet. No. I handed off to my good friend, George Saddana the Spice Girls are playing at the awards Bank. Excellent. Yeah, you're not gonna stay for that. No. But I think the Spice Girls served me rum. Oh, boy, I'll tell you who's a Spice Girl today is Amanda, she is pushing room like crazy. She knows the guys that made the, the Russian onto Mason. I've had like three shots has been to Hawaii where they make the rum and metal those dudes. Yeah. It is really, really good. I pry choice coming up or you're going to hang on. I gotta go hit. Good luck. Good. Good for you. Good job. He he was. Fine. Fine. Fine, fine. All right. Purgatory is coming next for you. George Sodano and Kirk Morrison will join us Mason in Ireland, Greg Bergman in for John ESPN LA. Hey, we are live from the seventh annual ESPN LA golf classic. Live from industry Hills, Golf course at the Pacific, palms resort presented in part by Bristol farms, Pocock brewing company, and lava craft cocktail mixers. It is purgatory time Sodano is here. Kirk Morrison is here. Can you believe Greg filled in for today? I know it hurt you confused himself. I did he carries himself in. Yeah. So sad, Greg Berkman. That Trump may play a little bit. That's how would you grade him overall? I would give him I, I would say he's fine. Got a letter grade though. Oh, a letter grade, tell. Yeah. In life would give him a b minus. Okay. Hey, that's above sea. I thought sounds referred what I heard I was in the car I landed around just after one o'clock. So I've listened to a good chunk of the show, and I would say, I would give you ran a BB minus I think it's pretty good. When you had the heart tongue from the heart felt like you were you were a little too aggressive with you. He was. Yeah. He was go after them, a little bit interview, very often by no. But you were just a little aggressively after it. Yeah. This is. At the wrong time wasn't dodgers raw raw raw. There's no wrong. I get so confused. Is there dodgers wrong? No, it was. There was once wrong. No need him rare dodgers. Maybe run the name is the blue review blue. Showtime, forum for Laker and then you've got and you are you covering any other teams. Nope, nope. Just those two it's pretty easy. The kings no tro- now UCLA UCLA would be where I would go. But no UCLA baseball what this week up there in the World Series. I didn't know well they haven't gotten set the World Series yet. It's called the regionals. Now, don't know how baseball we're the best team in the country having a good team. I don't know anything about college baseball cannot one thing. Yeah. That's what happened to USC this year. In baseball bad year. They were they were really rough over at Dato field. He doesn't know that. Yeah. UCLA's the number one team in the country. That's your white very happy. No clue. You're in Los Angeles. Now Davis lost in some regional Georgiou were at the game last night. I was at the game. Last did you do? You were on with Cassidy Hubbard. Yeah. We did the digital pre-game on its simulcast on Twitter YouTube, and the SPN app. That sounds like a real Greg situation. It. No, it was a blast was it? Oh my God. We did it in Jurassic Park. It was fantastic. Yeah. And it was mean Cassidy, Richard Jefferson Kendrick Perkins. Bomani Jones, and Pablo, Tori. Wow. Gender perkins's funny. Isn't he? Yeah. He was him. And Richard Jefferson. Yeah, they're fans. Did you hear the guy that had the laptop because he's doing his homework in the middle of drastic park? No, I. Yeah. That guy was cool. So what was your takeaway from last night? Look, I think the raptors particularly Siachen had little regression to the mean. Right. Right. You're not gonna go fourteen of seventeen. Yup. That's not gonna happen and it's funny he's still shooting over fifty percent. Well over fifty percent for the series despite having a five for eighteen last night. And I just think that the warriors came in play defense. Right. They were so bad game one where Siaka, particularly, which is coming down the middle of the floor and the sea party guys didn't know who should stop the ball. And by the time they stopped the ball was too late. So he had an easy pass to a guy on the wing, that would just hit an open three, right? And there was none of that in that in this last game yesterday. See I thought that game was for the taken obviously Klay out. Come on looney gone boogieman boogie time. Probably twenty minutes by the time Klay was gone. It was it was in the game. Yeah, but wait a minute. But wait a minute. They got a whole bunch of stops down the stretch and Toronto. Geico could not make a shot the box in one. Yeah. The box in one nurse. I told you Nick nurses craft that was clever that can't work again though. Right. Once I can't do it again. But you've got to now they have to prepare for it, right? Yeah. So that, that's different. He can't he may. Now, if Clayton us in play their whole different ballgame. Then all of a sudden, yeah, that's in play again again, I think, and not only Klay doesn't play. But if Claes on the bench, and there's no Durant, because that's basically the same scenario. I mean it got stuff to actually throw the ball away. But they I think it was dream on that got the ball and send through it over to echo dolla. Right. But the was I was living. Yeah. That was ball is thrown away. Well, he threw it up for grabs. Yep. And Livingston and Livingston win. And got it like a good wide receiver. Backheel very tied that very easily could have tied that tried to steal it and go the other direction. And then I loved, I don't know if you heard on TV they, they were hailing the shot by Dala rom. They said, let's, let's be honest, he shouldn't have taken that shot. He made it. But if you were to go back in time that wasn't a shot that you should take given the amount of time left on the clock. Well, what would they left him? They I mean he you weren't you weren't going to get a better. You're saying the raptors shouldn't have let him take that war. You're going to yes. The problem there. I think would surprise the warriors were a nurse talked about this after the game when Kirk was taken pictures of me in the post game as I was dilly dallying on my phone nurse said after that he expected his team to found he was yelling for them to write. But the crowd was so loud, the right thing there to foul. Yes you lengthen the frame on twenty eight seconds. You foul because there's not enough time. Even if there's a rebound, you got to expect a tip out. Why don't players know that they should know. That, that's his point is we drill that stuff. And they just for whatever reason, there's it looked like they were trapping curry, and trying to get the ball out of his hands. Yeah. I figure get it to somebody who doesn't well, free throws as well. That was the point. They were going to trap curry to get the box in one to get it out of his hands. At once it went to anyone else. They should've out right? Right. What do you think about with the collar how he got fouled out in such a stupid play where he came around? Yeah. I think that's the same type of thing kids. Okay. That's what he is. That's what it was stupid soon as so. I'm in. I was watching the game. We were there is a with Obama where you wish, but I set you that cool. I know did you meet them? No, I did it. But Michael, I was sitting with Michael wilbon. Stephen Roach, and Michael wilpon is friends with no really they go to get outta here. They call get up and go Chicago. Yeah. They've known each other since like the nineties. Wow. And so he went down to see him and he chatted with them and, and then he came back up. So I didn't. But I showed you and I could say it now because he's gone, but the so Obamas' at the arena. Yeah. And when you turn on your phone to check the wifi I sent Mesa screen shot of it. There's a specific dedicated encrypted wifi just for Obama, that's called White House to really a. Gosh, he sent White House having or he's going to have the end, by the way, he doesn't text will bond. He has a guy who texts will. Right. He said, we'll told me the story that when he never texts with him that you'll get a random call. And then it'll just be like. You know, President Obama. It wasn't bad. Then he's just and he says he's just wants to talk basketball. Well, he's a big basketball game seem head to big baseball guy busy. Big baseball guy. Yeah. Big, but he's a White Sox fan, White Sox fan, and then obviously a bears fan. Right. But he says he's always calling the talk sports and we'll bind says that his wife's like really. You're just be like one in the morning, he's wide right? Like Obama would call has called him recently. Like. I mean post presidencies like watching the blazers playoff game at one on the east coast and he's calling wilpon just like, and he's like, can you believe this have, you know that? CJ McCollum doing. Say regular guy thing. I mean he was the most sports Centric. I mean obviously Bush Bush was voter the father big into baseball. College played baseball and college. Yeah. Bush the son owned the Rangers around one percent of the Rams or whatever that was. But this he's our most sportscenter guy. Yeah. For sure there's no question layoff BRAC. But it was just to hear the stories it was good. Has to meet him. But at the stories were apparently said something to Ramona. Yeah, he said that he's he said, oh, sits under votes to watch told me he said he said, you do a great job that is wochit to. It was both of them both simultaneously. So Momo says it was only she's I don't know if he said, I know you said it to whoa, JR. Because that's what Roach. Yeah. Doris Burke, tweeted out that, that bomb. It said that the Momo. And we rely on Burke, with everything on, of course. I'm sure. I'm sure he did he loves ESPN. He's a sports. Yeah. Yeah. You think well, he's in LA listens to you. Feral dogs. Feral does not thanks. I appreciate no. There's no guy. First Morales here. Travis. Rodgers is here. It's like a reunion. The old morning show your bourbon still doing okay. He's he's how far we into a now. Reality three hour and he survived job. Great. He gets a b minus is fine. This is purgatory. Yeah. Oh, it is though, I guess. So I guess. George. So we understand that goes hide your f-. Hi, it's nice as he Sodano out on a golf course, participating in company events and stuff. Oh, come on, Georgia's always there, George this morning flashback to a year ago at the Gulf. You're always you're always being in my friends who are stop picking I draw something on it. I heard on a lion. I have shown up to all the Mason Ireland said you haven't been you have an alliance with George alliance. Shifts. Waylon. Survivor. We buy purgatory is brought us together. Yeah. Has it has? Oh, wow. We're tight now. Darrell Thomas of why is it? His. How many? So many of you have he we've been quite a bit out, you both sound and look liquor up. We've got three holds true. Yeah. Between the two of you who has the most drinks. Oh, Moran might be a time. No. Oh. Might be a time. Johnson. A lot of fun out there and remember the morning show tomorrow morning, sixty six. Tomorrow. Right. No six golfing today. Well, he hit that house over there George so we've teed off from here. Is that a real house? Yeah. It's like a shed and be hit. He sliced was like a residential. He hit with a lot of power nationally slice, but it was a massive how George, what do you think of is orange pants? Well, he's here. He's all these last year. They're like, Rickie Fowler. Yeah, yeah, no picking up trash of the free. George will be doing his show from one more. But we have one more. Okay. Wow. It's crazy that you're going to be in the third location. You're going to be doing it from where the banquet area. We is there a banquet of some kind tonight, we don't put them in a fake Woodhall by himself, just for the others. So there's a big award ceremony who wins the oughta q. There might be a the Steve Mason Lorient. Yeah. Steve mass I'm Maury. Filter. You're dead. Just. Oh, boys. Well, we just want to check in. We gotta go back on the riot to something more drinks, probably. All right, good. Chris by tomorrow. Yeah. Yes. Ted make sure shake it and taste, you do take it shake shake it and take it shake it bake. It. Yeah. Things have listened to Travis. Hey, loved to stop by the show. Weird. Let's not make it word so yes, it was fun yesterday. Yeah. Good Jurassic Park was a blast. It looks like I would I would recommend that every team do something like that. If they could won't you put in staple center. Well, I would just I mean, they, they kind of already on the street, anyway, Fenway park has that. Yeah. Right. They've got that whole district. Busch stadium has got that. Yeah. And a lot of baseball parks baseball. I the warriors people told me that they're doing something similar at the new chase. Oh, is that right? Yeah. Outside. It's going to be a crazy of the chase center. I have not. I might try to do that. Michael Thompson got a tour of it now. It's not it's not quite finished or what the finishing touches on it. It'll be it's going to be a major timber. Yeah. It's beautiful. I heard I have a buddy who works there. Cool. All right. Well, I've, I'm done. Yeah, that's it. That's. Done one and you're supposed to run to a ballroom yet. I guess I'm not running anywhere. Yeah. We'll walk if it's talking, the show starts, it starts if it doesn't a dozen survey has a warriors fan is a great day, by the way slipped on its right. He's awarding. That's right. He's not he's got. No. I'll be our Friday, that I'm happy Friday. I think last night was the death blow. Are you going to go Friday Friday, gotta go? I'm trying to Lincoln. I'm talking to game six that's gonna be the last game at oracle. Why? Why, why are you putting that bad juju out there? Why why it's no matter what aim at oracle. Why is that? Have you done? Gentleman, sweep gentlemen. There's one more game for try to warriors six, by the way. So I understand what you're saying, is, if you look at all the almost everybody had warriors and six, if you look at all the you. I did. I did. If you look down all the ESPN, what it Greg have what he burglaries five. He always the contrary. Always. He's hate everything. Right is always good for a hot tape. Greg nice job today. I'm sure that's whole. Before we get good. I heard you talking to DeMarco I jumped in the car and you guys are talking about Jared Goff. And while I don't think like J B long said that they're going to get rid of Gough. Yes. I do think eventually there's going to be a coach because there's so many of these offense minded guys who come who are basically recreating the air raid for the NFL right that they're going to take that model. And just beat like quarterbacks will be just as replaceable as any other player on these stunned, eventually that happens. Because if you see the air raid, they plug those guys in, man. Yeah. I just, I don't think those guys grow on trees, everyone every four years, you're going to go out and get another starting quarterback four or five. Did you get the fit your job fifth year option? So I think that there will eventually be someone that will do that. Do you think her? No. Because it's a market because it's a market inefficiencies like somebody always say it's been NFL has been around for this is the hundred year. There's only thirty two jobs. Right. That's it. And there's only probably twenty-five good quarterbacks right within the next decade someone will do that. Watch. That's a hot take. That's a hot. Stay tuned. For more hot takes from George Kirk is here. They're going to go live from the ballroom in the big. Ceremony. Steve Mason makes. Reward amazing. We'll be given out. I've got a hurry up and get to my car. Home. I gotta listen to right. All right. Mason in Ireland. Back to normal tomorrow at noon, the Sodano show's coming up next, Greg, nice job. Thank you very much, ESPN a life.

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92: Stage 9 | Saint-tienne  Brioude | Tour de France 2019

The Cycling Podcast

46:38 min | 1 year ago

92: Stage 9 | Saint-tienne Brioude | Tour de France 2019

"You are listening to the cycling podcast other to the false in association with have two fastest closing in the world to the cycling with character right and watch in two thousand nineteen as a partner education I and Kenyan sharam stage nine today winning happy Bastille Day Francois. Thank you guys multiple cool are they. Don't call it by sealed. They know we never call it. Buzzed busted dates on look at others begin the fourteenth of July and it's strange I. I don't know why you you guys could Bastille Day for most French people if you tell them you lose your best t- assemble you mean because the best is is now no longer. A prison is kind of famous square barriers so let's look at those else's read well. I mean hoping that we can continue an annual tradition tonight with you. Singing site with La Marseillaise sure we're surrounded by people you wouldn't feel self conscious join in join it. You know what I do. I'm not good it to stand up in single Amasau years in especially as been of boy scouts just sit its decision next. I'm going to do it smooth sweet kind of crooning lemercier our out so great some crooning coming well. We can hear the clock of the Patong balls behind us where it's a lovely scene isn't that we are we lying. We're in she AC outside our hotel. The hotel do pesher the next to the river that a very attractive looking bridge Francois who has a fear of walking over bridges can only admire the architecture won't be strolling over that in the morning really know it's impressive architecture and it's really a the beautiful bridge and but as the more the more beautiful bridges are more spectacular. They're on more frightened. I I am to walk over them so I'll sit from a distance it's great but I wanNA walk over it. Lets you to gas bags is made last night's episode extremely long as so. We're going to arrive on tonight army. We're not gonNA do as long episodes we did lots give us a tale of the top please. Lionel Okay Richard Stage nine from Senate into Brood one hundred and seventy point five kilometers one abandon today Allesandro Tamaki who is in the break. The break was almost again. Yesterday he crashed in his head to pull out of the race so bad day for the C._C._C.. Mine and it was a day that was characterized by a big break. There were lots of big names in it. I think fourteen riders went up the road and while it really kicked off in the last thirty kilometers when four hundred zero is Lucas Personal Burger winner of a stage of the the opening days of the year a couple couple of years ago when clear he was looking pretty good but after he would call the others Nikola Roach on Nicolau Route Nicholas Roach was that because it's the fourteenth of July friends he went cliff for some weapon. I thought thought maybe we're GONNA Francois and I would be celebrating this evening. They a French Irish victory but it was not to be and Nikola splendid speaks French nickelodeon speaks English Nicholas French first language. I think point in front of course he's for those who don't know his father was Stephen Roach. The Irish nine thousand nine hundred seven hundred French champions mother was French Anyway Roach with court first of all by Teaspoon Newt and then Donald impede bridged up to them and then roach fell away from those to the chase group behind had some pretty powerful names in it but they never really looked like getting on terms mark solaire Oliver Nelson the untracked nick yesterday. Stephen were the chasers for awhile but manute and Daryl impey were the two who fought out the finish really had the odds stacked against him he was trying to make it two wins in a row for Lotto see doll and very tried to catch him by surprise in Sprint and South African champion came round comfortably to win the stage Mitchelson Scott's first tour stage wins in Michael Matthews in rebel in two thousand sixteen very little G._C._e.. Action in the group behind Roman body made a steal day show of things on the climb pooled Ritchie Paul George Bennett clear with him for a brief while but that came to nothing and a bunch of eventually shuttled in sixteen and a half minutes down no change over all Julian Felipe still in yellow again in Green Tim Wellens in the POLKA DOTS and Giulio Cicconi in the White Jersey tomorrow well it feels like it ought to be arrestee but it's not we carry on with what would likely be a sprint into Albie. George Bennett was trying to get to the finish barrel to join the cricket fastest quizzing Noel tool the almost cycling with character right and watch visa in one thousand nine hundred as a partner education. I and Kenyan sharam thank you very much. INDEED TO RAFA are headline sponsor who support enables us to cover all the three grand tours with and the daily episodes. We're very grateful to them for their support mentioned yesterday the latest e Afghan racing film focuses on Michael Woods and it'll be more of those tacoma spoke to Michael Woods start this morning we'll hear from him a little bit later on on a sports very interesting gentlemen that the star Remmy Philip Apprentice Name of Filippo Boo boo and he's a surgeon at the hospital in some at ten who operated on Chris from when his crash at the Dolphin and recently so we'll hear from him a little bit later on why why are you looking for well. You'll joke about George Bennett rushing back to me well. It's the game is tied. Both teams have scored two hundred and forty two run an Aficionado okay so now they have to have a kind of shoop over amish like extra time in football. We'll keep you posted listening tiebreak in tennis because at the same time oddly enough there were no Serbs or Swiss riders on the in the break to they're trying to get to <hes> time for the women's final the there's a lot going on there but we're expecting well we had fireworks last night. Didn't instinet celebrations last night for fourteenth of July and Lionel. I went to the the bus of the Finnish Mitts and Scott were the farthest buffs from the finish. Very emotional scenes are in there after Darryl M._p.'s win that was <hes> a quality group as you said lots of teams represented there one Cammisa team members where one of the teams that missed I recall the tried to jump across at one point apparently attacked when the Yellow Jersey Julian Felipe Stop to answer a call of nature and this was <hes> this was controversial m most of the most of the things represented there so there was a baggage that groups thing away and then with such strong writers like likes of Oliver Nelson Gaspar stolen their you know a real challenge to to work. I figure how to win from that group and Darryl M._p.. He did it perfectly clawing his way out to those guys on that climb making a huge effort to do that but you know once he got there. You knew he was the fastest finisher yeah my question to you rich Waugh's. What was he doing in? Not Break Anyway when you think Adam Yates is here for the overall for Mitchell Tim Scott still well placed not really conceded any ground yet. We always talk about the way that team. He also previously team sky avoid been so totally focused on one job in the Tour de France winning overall and well now other teams seemed to really do that and it seemed a strange one to me down M._p.. As one of the one of the strongest riders at Michigan Scott have as he showed by winning the stage today but will come to regret sending him out that I'm sure they won't then astonished anyone up there in grip so Estan on any of the two teams teams. I think who are still with groups. I have never writer either so obviously you know not to contradict you there but it was actually the teams of Sant guys up from obviously the ones whose goal is not you know just winning the Tour de France because they probably think it's it's. It's it's so difficult to do an and they need to. They need success. They need to bring back. Look at the U.. Mbu for instance who didn't have a in the break either well pretend to be one of the big teams with the cross faked being being there men but but I mean they every time they had a chance to win a stage date they did because it an impe actually explain that in his press conference he said lots of lots of writers were were in the same position towards this weekend with the said yesterday the search today and may be a little bit the stage tomorrow that the all all the writers with no chance for contention they had actually written down these free stages are as their permission to go up front and look for victory and that's what impact impe said. He said we had a kind of permission to try on these sages because under previous ones were either sprint stages and we would lose time either plausibility never no way we could be either and actually the Greg Anathema. Tom Yeah I taught in two days ago into me really looked at this stage is the only chance to to win a state guys. Gaspar Sovan were a same and an right like like M._p.'s exactly the same type of writer. He wants to have an actually now that they've won a stage. The defense of the of Adam Yates and his chances overall will be an in an easier task because you released by the fact that the O._U.. Already won won something in terms of confidence in the team instead of being like his wasted energy. I think in quite the opposite it boosted the morale of the team. Yeah that's a very good point and I you know for a minute suggesting that there's some somehow no value in Darren impeding stage. It's the first time he's won a tour stage. He's had the Yellow Jersey before briefly of course but never wanNA stage but just that kind of single minded focus of Niaz shift every year it does kind of it does to sharpen the mind a little bit they go for one thing and then remember that Mark Cavendish team yeah at one stitch and that's not when he was the most successful to be honest but yeah I mean there are right is on the N._F._C. Mikhail cal fire Kofsky even Dylan van borrow who you wonder you know Oh yeah yeah I mean those guys would relish thou- Virginity and and and it's <hes> guy like via Kofsky sacrificing himself so oh completely at the Tour de France to helping you know being third or fourth in the pecking order really on the man's season so it's it's a waste of an incredible talent. You know really frankly with already like him anyway. Emotional seems mentioned Scott Bus. Every writer who came back was was just `cock-a-hoop and Matt White was pretty tearful. At the finish. I spoke first of all to Julian Dean who was the sports director in the car following the break and giving Darla M._p.. Some instructions so here fresh from Julian Dean then from Luther Bridges Teammate and then finally from Matt White Juliana Daryl's a great worker for the team doesn't get many opportunities so that's I guess in a race light that transforms the thinking today and letting him go in that break <hes> was used today staging today stage where were objectors we targeted from the outset along with <hes> rotting Adam for the G._M._C. so <hes> we're a team that <hes> has away opportunities to many of our guys we try not to be one dimensional when we think about that <hes> all the time and the ride is we bring on this team and and the strategies that we have and the rise we sleep to come to the races and it was a strong group. They find himself in guys there who you know get it winning races what what was coming into into the you know the final hour. What were you thinking? What were you telling him about how to to write it with the climb coming out to watch to play it? Yeah I mean we always try to just <hes> break these racist down into phases. You know you have the early phase. That's getting on the break the conservancy phase and then you know one of the when you come into a final that you you've got to lock you see it. That was a really really stick breakaway and you know nothing's really gonna be suit in there but you know you've got to identify what Daryl's great qualities <hes> you. You know he's very good at reading races. He's got a lot of experience and a co hit on them and <hes> you know it was just a case of promoting daryl bet and making the right decisions and giving them the confidence to make those decisions when an roach were clear on the climate that was a obviously chemo in the race to present dig very deep to to to them. Yeah I mean obviously you know those those guys rent and say I haven't spoken to Darryl but I would imagine he could've gone with them. At the time he chose to wait a little bit and and become calm collected decision making and certainly paid off. It's awesome you know like <hes> to to frauds hey but the biggest thing is off has daryl united just gives these Lawton salt of this team and always always supporting Colorado's artist victory go these you you know he likes to France he says ups and downs and couldn't be more happy biggest winning these creates of course all the jerseys but he's never wanna stay in the to France and <hes> winning these national champion Jersey. It'd be very very crab man for him. Remember for him and they want. He'll never forget that Wilson in Julian Dean behind the breakaway so we're pretty wrecks we would have concentrated on keeping Adam and the group around Adam focus so you sort of can't let your emotions getting involved that sort of torn because then David we got two things we're trying to win the stage and we're trying to win the to France so you've got to keep focused on what we're getting goes to the lawn safely but <hes> when possible went <hes> it was it was a dual on what are you going to work in a successful moves that God from a long way out and when I saw I didn't actually see how the group split into two day but when Darrow was in that first group Chaser of his seven <hes> on news the fastest guy but the the best move is when he got rid of Susan and <hes> a nice because they're very very strong boys and he wouldn't want to mess with them in the downhill sprint that's for sure so then when he great move across the top day to get it across the Taste Newton devotes they're coming into this finish stronger but downhill sprint. We're we're pretty confident that <hes> Darrow could could tell him out my the twenty second win of the year it's not at first but it's a big one. It's a to France and <hes> everyone says Reuters and the sacrifices that might be the whole organization. This is a win for the whole organization and. I didn't it doesn't change our focus. We need to try to win a stage and then support Ademi is is possible to try to get him on the party. That's one box tc but we're going to be one to go and we've got a long way in the effort devoted to shoot that I just I think both Lacoste Team Kart at the back of the facts lease this episode about the phone coverage is sponsored by the economist the Smart Guy to the four CS impacting your world. We've actually been listening to the economist podcast in the cars. We've been driving away round fronts the perfect accompaniment to the magazine. If you want to get a free copy of the magazine to see the Economist has to offer you can get it delivered to your door by texting the word cycling two seven eight zero seven zero Richard of being reading your print copy if the Mac this week course I have line. It's an article that I hope Francois. We'll be able to talk about because it's about the price of books in France articles called value is fixed price agreement and Francis Been in place since nineteen eighty-one. We had a similar role in the U._K.. was abandoned and then the one thousand nine hundred ninety s but the agreement in France under threat from the likes of Amazon also e books subscriptions and sales of Secondhand books which night might not always be secondhand. I love the call from Franck. Restraint is out the correct pronunciation of the French Culture Minister who said on the Internet you find what you look for but only in a shop. Do you find what you are not looking for now fronts while you're an author publisher and you on a bookshop in Paris so you have a three way perspective on this this at this price agreement fries does it work. Yes sort of I mean it was a very good idea at when it's when it happened because it really kind of curbed the sales of books in supermarkets and confronts with these huge supermarkets and that was all the trend in one thousand nine hundred and nine hundred ninety s and probably without fixed price might have ruined little bookshop here in town centres now my impression is that it's it. It should probably evolved a little bit because democracy changed. Thanks to the Internet. Actually it's not even so good for little bookshops anymore because it means that even even all books you've got you can't you can't sell them at a discount price pixar expensive in France and and very a plane in their design. It depends on this various corrections. I mean you've got the halfback are about between eight. I should say between fourteen and twenty five euros and a paperback is is a lie between two Euros and twelve heroes poverty. Well the the problem with a fixed price as you say in the fact that it's a it's a little bit of a high price for the bike means that actually I think probably seventy percent of the market especially for novels these paperback by I C at my bookshop you know lots of of customers come look at the Harbach unless it's a star or or an author really like Oh cool in two in two years time Oh eighteen months time when he didn't expulsion paperback by paperback than it's yours and a new if you sell it back again on Ebay for instance it's it's no longer a new book so you can discount the book. That's actually a day old. So there's a problem there well as you can see the economist Gosh talking in the car and we travel around the Tour de France and if you'd like to sample the economist as well then text the word cycling two seven eight zero seven zero and you can have a copy delivered to your door. That's the word cycling two seven eight zero seven. I'd like to something that there is one one book. At least that's never too expensive and that the second podcast book your birthday Toyota France you know it's it's it's it's the it's the two fronts two years ago. Now the journey through cycling year that's exactly the won't and <hes> and I think actually values should go up you know <hes> three years like good wine from France because I was a child to the hero one guy I went to speak to the start this morning. Fellows was Mike Woods. You suggested in the podcast last night Lionel Gary Thomas may have found that he was responsible for the crash but and he was the first one to go down dave rails for it in the morning and said how dangerous a roads are am in this area these are the roads is coming into some at their narrow twisty some gravel on them and there was a wall and the race was really on as well and there was pretty frenetic wasn't it so it wasn't surprising to see a crash. No I'm well when you see the a little clipper of how the accident happened. I mean would she's wheels to slip from under I mean you know those things happen and could happen at any moment when racing on the limit but he took responsibility for it when I spoke to at the start I just WanNa here's what you said about your legs. Bond is up there is it. It's actually surprisingly good just a rush what happened these in the crash. What you remember but <hes> definitely my faults? <hes> just came through the corner. Her really thought I had it wasn't even concerned about going through and all of a sudden the rear wheel just slid out. I think it was just <hes> bit about lock. <hes> maybe not enough weight through the left pedal because there's a right turn <hes> but maybe just what it can figures maybe just hit a little bump in or maybe a little oil oil grease on the road and we will sit out <hes> really disappointed particularly because I was sitting so well in the D._C.. Really thought I was going to move up yesterday. Thought that <hes> my teammates wrote in amazing race in order to try and set that up and to let them down was <hes> made for tough sleep last night and then also the fact that it <hes> may have compromised someone else's race guarantee Thomas <hes> went down and as well because of that <hes> yeah just not not happy about it. You'll lose time but I guess you weren't come. It was a nice bonus to be sitting ten but it's not really what you came for is yeah yeah. It's been <hes> I've I've spent the last few hours especially after talking Charlie rebellious and J._v. about it <hes> I had this big emotional high the last eight days seeing the top ten g at the Tour de France film like every Canadian that's watching the tour is following me and and supporting forty me and then to have that gun was <hes> was a tough blow in a bit of a CR- emotional crash last night however <hes> like you said we're back at what original goal was we support radio and stage hunt so <hes> end of day scenario I think <hes> we sell plenty of racing life and I've probably opportunities so Michael Woods. They're recalibrating a little bit. I think he you know he was obviously enjoying looking at the the results every nine seniors name in the in the top ten in his frustrated Franz as he said there's not wait here for and his job is to look after he goodbye throughout and maybe have a chance for a stage win himself at some point while I was also surprised to learn was the no I mean identified with surprise but e- effort the awful law on the front in the closing stages of the Saturday stage and it was far might woods <hes> I thought it was for Albert Tobacco deal. He was dropped with Vincenzo Nibley. It was for woods. I am who they might have fancied may be able to go with Allah sleeping not not climb because that's his strength well one other thing that we didn't really talk about last night but which <hes> we're still rumbling on this morning with this issue of the T._v.. Motorbikes in that proximity to the right has yacob who sang vast down with one of the writers suggesting that motorbikes were too close to the Alpha Leap Pino duo with giving. Giving them too much assistance now recently there was a study released just indicating how much of an iphone teach a motorbike can give from even sort of fifty meters away and well we we're going to put together a kilometer zero on not just the subject of the motorbikes being close to the riders but also what some of those motorbikes doing because I think sometimes has a sense that the motorbikes on an integral part of the race somehow and actually the TV motorbikes Oh two bikes especially so but also the stills cameraman the old if the other motorbikes sleeping yeah I mean well. There's the whole rolling show isn't it some of their to keep the Peleton safe and some of their to give the right get information and assistance some of their to cover the race so that we can watch it and so that will be the subject of a kilometer zero at some point in the coming week but kilometer zero sponsored by Hans ago showers and taps returns tomorrow morning with part two of of my conversation with Sunday Times journalist David Walsh about the nine thousand nine thousand nine hundred from riveting list is to John mentioned because you mentioned zero support advi kindly behinds grow. We've got an email from nick knaw steer chaps I on hold the in she'll talk this out the pronunciation she'll talk. This is a very small town in the black forest in Germany. It also happens to be the home of hand grew. Did you know they have a free to enter museum and this includes experiencing their showers for an hour an hour with a bit of luck. I hope hoped to be able to experience this in the next week and I try to become a friend this week by promise it because I'm in Germany and this affects my pay pal account. Well Net Kofi Concern when you're back in U._K.. But Dude report the tell us how your hour-long shower in the consequence museum when not fascinating brilliant go excellent so yeah. That's <hes> well zero every Monday to Friday so five coming up this week team bus over all Abajo team who go this is your second year with stunner. You didn't write a grand to last year. We surprised to be in the frame for the to Franz from. When did he find out? You're in the final team. Always I surprised because that's close to do it and that was the big old this year. <hes> fraternity last year didn't do any grant because <hes> I prefer to race on my home race Montreal Quebec than do the Vuelta after I've been the last guy called for the tour this year was my main objective so I'm really happy to be here and it's an honor to be writing with those guys <hes> beside me a pretty big malice they certainly do. How would you first week being? I mean you had a very dramatic first day. Yes it's art <hes> start pretty bad. I cannot get the worst now we can only improve and we take the take we took a big hit on the first day but now we move forward and Jacko's feeling better everyday so we keep the same much plan. It's part of the race <music> grant Thomas went down yesterday Michael Woods also everyone is bad luck and you need to overcome it and be strong in the head and keep the focus <hes> we have some <hes> next two week or the the big one so <hes> hopefully <hes> Jacob. Is there with the best. Where were you when he crashed where you need or did you hear on the radio? I was just in front. We are starting to move up. Lining up was third in the line of the team. They lost will a little bit. The Caruso lasted just take him down and it's minus guard that <hes> advise us at the okay jacket went down so I slow down and I wait for him and then when I saw his face like old fuck we're not good hair so so <hes> tried to stay with him and you must have thought welcome to the twitter Franz Johann beating out of your chest on every race we think a lot of risk and you never know when it could happen so <hes> it's a thing that we cannot control. All the diamonds you started with spy detect team was that run by Steve Bauer the time and are you aware of what Steve achieved in the tool yes of course I know I know a lot about Steven was a really great time to raise her with him and we had a great team. <hes> <hes> have done some really nice thing in the past and I think he's show <hes> to us not American the it's possible especially for Canadian a young guy from Quebec. We don't have it out of Bro. Silas so it's good to have a person to refer to that is possible. Let's say you step to come from America to Europe and then slowly gamespot. It's a lot of work and it's also hard to be away from family. You obviously from Quebec French language I or English language I I I I'm French and <hes> learning by doing bicycle so <hes> so do do Franche People's familiar to you to declare like home from home. Yeah language is from Lara Race Five Year with a French images to our and is also <hes> live <hes> some time in the year and that's out of friends so I'm pretty used to France <hes> they are pretty <hes> nice and warm with us back <hes> Canadian. How important are those two races two world tour ratios in your home area for the profile of cycling? I stuff of course it's. It's really important for us. We don't have a lot of race. <hes> we are <hes> the only race <hes> day one day race in North America <hes> chill the kid inspired at <hes>. It's a chance chance for me to show people what I can do all year long in Europe and <hes> I think it's really important the organization going to basically with sectional they do really good work to <hes> put those top quality and really take care of the writer Hi to you hope to ride them again. She of course is the plan so <hes> I would be unlawfully there to Canadians in the race. Mike would not from Quebec so I mean you count yourselves from the same country or is that a small rivalry between the French speakers on the English speakers. Mike is really good friend. She's now even care. Back is not born in Quebec. Whether you leave on the backside. Now you understand what's the best way just join us and he spent also a lot of his career in French steam more team in Quebec side so an all mike is I would say part part of us the cycling but guests at the twenty nine thousand nine hundred the House is supported by saying sports sciences balls fueled by science. Thank you to sciences sport for their support of the cycling podcast and their support of view in your endeavors because they're offering twenty five percent off of course all your sinus products Goto scientists dot Com and enter the code S._I._S. 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Dot Com forward slash sign up now speaking of team any else I've spoken in the last couple of mornings to Richard offshore as a team doctor team and he was at the Dolphin it went Chris Room had the crash that means he's not here to win a fifth south of France. You know it's amazing how quickly the sport moves on the teams move on and team any awesome particular have just kind on his if Chris as if it's incidental that Chris from their leader dirt is not here I think team somewhere for example missing Thompson Moolah has really meant a complete change in their plans their approach to the race but any US have Gary Thomas and Burnell to kind of sloth into the place -firmative affirmative being that it's quite interesting to see how it's just business as usual for them. Meanwhile from is at home in the south of France on Sundays bought a new house and he's been doing some rehab in the swimming pool. He's gotta stay off his his leg which he broke for six weeks so he's in a wheelchair at the moment in the swimming pool bet and Bobby's linked to Richard I share a his rehabilitation and the injuries suffered on I mentioned earlier on the surgeon remmy <unk> who was the surgeon who operated on him after his crash operates like he was a guest of team today so we'll hear a little bit from Richard Asher and then from <hes> remmy Filipov so Iran when the paramedics who were fantastic to say we got great admiration. We sort of big thank you to to the paramedics were there <hes> they did a great job stablising him did everything properly <hes> and then when he was stable got him into Roanne by soaring very briefly there just to talk to him but he'd had a lot of really strong painkillers was little bit sleepy little it's not quite so coherent and then they flew by helicopter to saint-etienne met him at the other end <hes> on the we were really lucky in Santana and there was a fantastic professor there who was in the apple way go to China to operate on some of the Chinese football team and they rang him and said we will Chris Room coming in lower limb injuries which was his specialty and he came back from the airport cancelled his trip to China and then the kept is really informed <hes> he did the right thing with the FRECCIA femurs risk of embolism which can be seriously serious. <hes> and you have to operate very quickly so he took him straight to theater. We waited with Michelle for six seven hours. Overnight till Chris came out and then Michelle sewing very right briefly <hes> in really when he woke up we got to see the extent of his injuries in the intensive care unit the next day but <hes> the work they've done on with his elbow. He's nothing but praise he's and we said in the film to London to specialist down there and they again said what a great job done how bad was was Chris's injuries injuries a wall so bad because it's a high energy level. You understand this tender. It's I <hes> I injury but he the recovery's <hes> we good because he other big a very very strong month that you understand so aleve with the pain and <hes> so it's a very good guy for that yeah I know you in touch with him. Still narrow you keep in regular contact yeah yeah everyday everyday we have contact with all the medical team organize or a good recovery Eh to guide him for different step for the recovery and medical team of team is a very well organized so it's a regular Jesse. I guess I mean it's probably routine for you to carry out surgery like that but when you are operating on a four-time third affronts winner on the surgery loss for so long as a difficult for you to stay focused on the job thoughts of how important often is to get it right to where we when we do socialize that we we have to detach forms Sarah beauty of the patient because you you you don't have to be under pressure you you have to stay quiet right and <hes> to the survey yes. It's important and are you. I mean was the operation was very long eight hours of surgery believe but wasn't successful I mean are you happy that the the wind will will will heal successfully successfully zero Cobra Gouden so <hes>. It's a a specific patient. The recovery is very specific ego very fast and fasters across patient. Just he had a lot other injuries as well the the ribs al which was the one that was the most serious or was that all of them put together that made its all's injury to give cheese <hes> serious yes. Do you have any idea when he'll be back on the bike race. We we can't we we we can't have idee it's too early to to give plan to to do plan for that but every day increase and every day is in process and progress so good and finally do you think the chances do you think of him being back at the Tour de France and trying to win a fifth one next year <hes> I hope so high up so so no no bad lesion <hes> Zimmerman that compromise <hes> Joe Paradise <hes> it was a comeback in the final question. I understand you're on your way to China to to treat some Chinese footballers. Did they ever did they ever get treated <hes>. No I go back in China in September two. There's a job so not they a on Chris from there really from the doctor who's looking after the surgeon who operates on a Mercedes in daily contact with him as his recovery carries on and spoke to grow as well at the start today he said he he sends them daily updates from the he knows what it's like to be long term with a serious injury as well and they all seem very confident that we'll be back at the tour next year and you know potentially going for a fifth when then but you know he's thirty four now. It's going to be very very difficult. I think for him to get back to lovely resign and you know I think everybody hopes that he he does return to the sport and certainly competes again and it's not just the fact that he suffered a serious leg break but the all the other injuries suffered the the hip the elbow the the ribs and it's a combination of all things which makes his case pretty complicated and serious and drawn out in his recovery know. If we're talking about Tim Yours as you said maybe it's interesting to actually we're closing the first week of the tour and just a quick looking back doc. I talked to drag the because Mitchell Don Scott this morning on his first tour and it was kind of surprised to out not our he how easy it is but it was. Obvious expecting the little mature too little harbor this to answer as well. You're wrong you know try to launch meaning controversy about motto buys but let's face it very very few writers abandoned on this or after week so it's been a very well not not an easy tourist never an easy to ram in terms of safeties from never been that save and as for Tim Ineos we said it before but were not set the pace at all in in his first week. My impression is is for them to France we start in the Pyrenees and so and for the time being they've been really required. Today we saw that already that little surge from vowed to me was actually the kind of surge of the of the losers. I'm sorry for them but the guys who probably as soon as we get to the high mountains one being contention for the G. C.. So Oh <hes> <hes> an interest first week <hes> in in in a sense for the first time in a long time and the Tour de France. We have a first week that that in my opinion is will be <hes> you know almost separated from the rest of the race an elephant. He said in his press conference he was aware of it and it was saying listen I mean I had no illusions about the before the tour and the fact that I'm I'm Evan Jersey now did didn't give me any more illusion is ah holding the Jersey in the first regal old in the Yellow Jersey in Paris up two very different things I wanted to make this show. We hear a little bit of your chat with yeah so it's interesting to listen to a rookie really enjoyed it. Honest I think after talking to a lot of the guys in the Peleton that's being one of the more relaxed starts so do it or friends which is not <hes> and experiencing the tour in the circus that it is the first time it's pretty cold. I did expect more stress in the Peleton to begin with but luckily I think with the way the potholes have been. It's been a little bit less stressful than previous years intensity of of rice and you find it a little bit you know uptempo consider the with other races yeah. I think there's just much more stress. It's very red. Petronas quite lined out. It's much more of a big bubble just because everyone wants to be the front and everyone wants to be two things are much more compact and rather than just on that point Francois the first week. I mean a long first week isn't it ten stages we finish tomorrow and I and I'll be we'll be down in the southwest and as you say into your knees in the time time trial and really there's no transitional stages from this point on. Maybe the NEEM stage without doesn't transition anywhere. Could it goes around in a circle and finishes back in name that could be a sprint guy but already when you look at the how the spoils of being shared out Yuma these male of one three stages to couldn't quickstep won a couple or Bahrain Marie Mitchell Scott now and Bara Lotta. She died yesterday already in the great game of musical chairs. The Tour de France is not going to be that certainly not going to be a chair for everybody comparison. There'll be some teams next week that are starting to look a little bit desperate. Especially the jerseys are Peterson has got the the Green Jersey pretty much locked up. No one has worn more green jerseys and gone now. He's overtaken the record lot dollar have got the there is sat on polka-dot Jersey and you'd imagine that Agam Banal no matter what what happened in the right we'll we'll probably take over the White Jersey. There's a dearth of prizes left on offer and so that could see some interesting racing certainly in the middle week before everyone gets desperate in the Alps just before go I should mention the folding bike that we're giving away as a competition prize you can win the bike riding around on it is very helpful. Today I see carbon-fiber. They Austin Cycles Ato by will post impeach beautiful machine. You can sign a chance of winning. If you sign up our newsletter the cycling podcast Dot Com when you get the newsletter you'll be able to click through to Austin cycles and leave your name and the give us a reason why you should win. The folding bike will choose the best one as a winner winner. <hes> one of the entries is from Keith Cunningham. We like this one Keith. I roar like a Buffalo. I sing like a bree. The Lionel of Flanders Ain't got nothing on me. Gave my way I'm coming through cheetos on lead. The oil is there are two dials hopes but he's just not aero on my actor Sayonara big hero not sure if I read the last line correctly but no mention for Francois there until until you know bike for you know definitely definitely comes into consideration and before we go before we hear Francois Few thank you's two recent friends podcast Chris Stevenson Jason William Corozzo Chris Burnett and Michael Wake Merg Murdoch mcphee Khloe poachers James Evans catching metcalf don't O._D.. And a big thank you to Andrew Rumble James Heighten Stephan Schaefer. I Stephen Peters and Mark Robson. Thank you for becoming friends with the PODCAST. We've got some new fringe podcast content coming after the Tour de France seven we a couple of things in the pipeline we do we do so Francois players to thank as well my friend Jill mass because gene masses stimulator frazier to our he was the last person I thought was listening to the podcast and this morning because he lives in Sultan. I met him him. You know he's he's one of the directors of Mammalian. Oh and it's only all what you're doing work for the sign pots unbelievable. I listen to you every day every morning to improve my English so that you are that you know another <hes> purpose for the second part guys we should be. It should be taught in French schools <hes> now that was my little well. The Mossy is yeah I I'll do it crew. One two three <music> at owns on Felton knew that the judo glory going through Nuder Latino Ninety million dollars Song Lante Litana Song Lofted Altan even Don O. 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GSMC MMA Podcast Episode 80: UFC Fight Night 170 Recap

GSMC MMA Podcast

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GSMC MMA Podcast Episode 80: UFC Fight Night 170 Recap

"Need your daily fix on mixed martial arts. Recap BELA TOR one. Fifty one ninety who kind of a controversial decision. Who's not I couldn't figure out. Why don't you fret because golden state media concepts your daily dose of animate podcast everything from the US or fighting Jimmy extreme cage fighting victim fighting champ much? Join us as we talk about. Some of the biggest names in mix martial arts. We've got you covered here on. Golden STATE MEDIA CONCEPTS EMANATE PODCAST. And thank you for tuning into the GS MC MMA podcast brought to you by the MC podcast network. I'm your host Alan and tonight we're talking about you have see fight night. One seventy Capped off with Charles Oliveira's victory via Guillotine choke against Kevin Lee Gilbert Burns. Amazing knockout victory. Against Damian. Maya and the rest of the card. We have run out a McConnell with victory Johnnie Walker losing to Nikita Krylov and Goodwin for Tornado as well as a lot more news in the world But let's just get right into it. I'm sure the first thing most of you noticed like I noticed. There was no crowd with the cove in Nineteen Krona Virus. Going around a lot of precautionary measures are being taken in one of those for the. Brazilian government was no gatherings over. One hundred people were people were allowed because of that only way to keep the card going without no audience which is better than cancelling the entire card with a lot of Brazilian fighters on the Brazilian card. I'm sure a lot of people would have wanted to see this Sixteen thousand empty seats. You could hear everything you could hear. The Echo you could hear of punches kicks the breathing. The steps of the fighters. I'll boy this was most unique was the walkout for the first or for the main event. Fight of Charles Lever Versus Kevin Lee They did have a walkout. They did seem just as excited as they would be with a crowd with even without it. But when you're going up to a fight I'm sure you're already in a mindset regardless of WHO's there who's watching and who's not also knowing that you have a huge audience watching at home but yeah they had a pretty good normal walkouts You could hear a lot. More here hugging their coaches anything. They said I'll Kevin Lee with screams at the beginning screams or grunts At the beginning of the round before the fight started story You could hear him clearly. Hear an echo throughout the stadium but getting right into it in round one will leave era comes out with a jumping front kick off and that just kind of set the pace for what kind of fight this was going to be or what kind of fight. Oliveira was trying to fight with very unorthodox Austria with his jumping from kicks his elbows spinning attacks. Which did him well in this fight with him. Being the Taller Reindeer fighter he was able to exploit that He was pushing SEWRI. Lee Back mixing up with his punches and kicks going up going low. Just keeping Kevin Lee guessing at all times in all down to the pace in the beginning of the first round eventually goes for take down even though he was dominating on the feet especially with a his fruitcakes which two of them landed to the face of Kevin Louis but goes for take down where he ends up on bottom. Kevin Lee gets on top and at that point. Oliveira just starts going for every submission. Possible right off. The Bat goes for the legs Kevin Leon top during a little bit of ground pound but defending very well. That's another place where I think. The the lack of a crowd helped out with having a hobby score in his corner. A great Jujitsu mind right. There he was able to clearly here. Everything's a hobby was yelling and pointing out to do push the knee down or anything. He it was clear to here for the audience. I'm sure Kevin Lee could hear it in there as well is probably did. Help them survive a lot of submission attempts from Charles Oliver. All the era like I was saying he goes right for the legs. Followed US up a trying to go for a triangle choke gets the back of Kevin Lee goes for a rear naked transitions into Kamara and then even strikes from the bottom so all very busy very even he even though he was on the bottom he was. He seemed to be the fighter. Who is initiating most of the offense whether that was a few strikes from the bottom or just going for submission to submission to submission attempt. Kevin only at the end of the fight gets up. Lanza a beautiful Right hand ground bound same thing with elbows in at the end of the Fight Kevin. -Ly did land a lot of ground not a lot but a decent amount of ground bound but Oliveira was on the offensive fighter from most for most of that around all in the stand up. He was doing extraordinarily well against Kevin. The and then after the fight to the ground even though he was on the bottom he was the one going for submission attempts. Trying to make something happen. That's out the first round ended. Moving onto the second starts also moved to the first round Oliveira Lands Spinning back to the body of Kevin. Lee only very really likes to start off with Something exciting at the beginning around kind of like massive at all his jumping knee he runs in with a punch Near sorry kick to Darren till he had but Oliveira also does that a lot where he runs forward right at the beginning of around tries to land something substantial to start around off well But after that only kept doing what he was doing on the fee being the ranger fighter pushing even though he was the ranger fighter views on pushing Oliveira. Charles Sorry Kevin Lee backwards all letting his hands. Go Kicks Charlton no story. Kevin Lee did not have too much of an answer for the STANDUP Just being backed up than circling away a ticket himself off of the fence. All understand that by really did think that Kevin Lee was going to do a lot better. I thought he would be able to close in. Get on the inside of the Link Year. Old Era and led some of his hands go cred boxing ability But he was getting out outboxed out kick box in the stand up Oliveira Land Beautiful Front kick to the face of Kevin Lee And when Kevin did Get on the inside. Start LETTING HIS HANDS GO Oliveira was walking through it seemed like a lead-in have that power or at least enough power to keep Charles off of him to keep Charles. Afraid of the movement of the offense of Kevin Lee Because of that only just keeps walking forward He Not Charlie Vera Serie. Kevin Lee goes for a takedown in this round Lake without the crowd. You could hear a solid crunch from Kevin Lee when he went for that you get to hear how strenuous strenuous. This is story another hardware to say there but how hard this is on the body physically for these fighters which sometimes you start thinking of home less than human because we don't realize that it takes an extraordinary extraordinary amount of will ambition and just a mental fortitude physical force to to be able to do something like this to fight another human being in a cage with very limited rules Like I said Kevin Lee shoots for a double leg. H- you can hear him grunt he gets the double-leg Oliveira right against right where he was from going for submissions. At the beginning or story at the end of the first round picks it up goes right into a triangle. Choke SAURIAN ARM BAR ATTEMPT WITH. Looked like it was the it was in but Kevin the showed amazing to abilities to keep avoiding multiple submission attempts from someone who's very very skilled in digital Brasilia. Just that should say enough right there but from the arm bar transitions right into a triangle. Kevin Label to defend that as well at this point struggling very starting to seem tired. A huge just laying on the ground while Kevin Lee had top position throwing his hand trying to get a stand up. What it looked like That's another place where the lack of a crowd may have Helped Kevin Lee Especially since with most growls when they see a ground and pound and pound but a fight. That's more positionally based on the ground. they start to boo with Brazilian crowd. Going for Oliveira on definitely sure there would have been a lot of boos when Kevin League was on top of Charles Oliveira and that may have got them a stand up but without a crowd without any booze the fighters let to were able to work from their Kenley. Didn't land too much of significance. A lot of flailing arm punches. Try to use his shoulder. Like conor McGregor did against Cowboy Surani but on the ground wasn't too effective. That's how the rest of the round played out until the absolute ending were Kevin was able to stand up And throw a few decent strikes few right hands. That team like they did some damage but nothing of of significance to dramatically cap off the round brown three starts and I believe at this point. Kevin Lee was thinking he needs to stick with what was working In taking down Oliveira staying on top and just grinding out. A slow fought decision. Victory with with the top position in late ground bound especially since only variable. Looking tired wasn't going for submissions. Every few seconds like he was in the first round. But then the third round starts said Kevin Lee's plan was to stick with what's Working Oliveira jumping front kick to start off like I said he loves to start off with something exciting something Mazda ish but in his own way with his legs especially since he is the taller longer fighter can only catches a kick of Charles. Lavera gets into a single leg goes for take down and get caught into a guillotine choke At that point it was over for Kevin Lee. It was stitched up tight. Kevin Lee taps to it but right when Oliveira. Let's go to get up. Kenley grabs his back starts arguing with the referee. Saying he didn't top again without a crab we heard him clearly. The referee telling Galileo. You could watch it on tape. You tapped all for anyone who wants it clearly tapped not sure if that was him in disbelief if he genuinely thought he didn't tap maybe he went out at that exact moment and was right back to consciousness and didn't realize but eventually he he agreed. He understood that he tapped. He lost that fight He was losing fight quite clearly and then a tremendous show of respect between both fighters at the end where Charlie very went over to Kevin. Lee thanked him for the fight. They sat down together for a minute and then got into the official announcement of the winner with that being said. We're GONNA cut out for a score little small break when we're back. Let's talk about the future of both. These fires chose Lavera and Kevin Lee. So please stay tuned. We'll be right back. Check out this show built around the women of MMA from the UFC to the extreme cage. Fighting we got the fights. Cover the golden state media concepts women's MMA podcast. The latest news of upcoming discussions of previous matches join us as we talked to in about the biggest names in women's mixed martial arts past present and future when the women's fight game you know we're to listen to the golden state media concepts women's MMA. Podcast could all right. Welcome back we just talked about the main fight on. Ufc fight night. One Seventy Kevin Lee versus Charles Charles Oliveira where Oliveira got a guillotine choke finish defeating Kevin Lee in the third round Knob but to see what's next for these fighters with Kevin Lee. It's hard to see where Kevin Lee fits into all of this I definitely think he's a stay with Tristar Gym and Feroce Hobby. Not just a tremendous coach But we got to see Kevin Lee. Do a lot. Better with his submission defense He was doing great on the ground against someone. Who's a great Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Practitioner? Even though he finished in a third round via submission off the first round I two rounds must have survived ten. Maybe fifteen different submission attempts from Oliveira was able to maintain top position especially in the second round. The way he stayed on top in was able to advance position slightly advanced position but land ground. Count shot against someone who's known for being a great grappler only problem for cavaliers. His record is not looking too good. He's too in four in his last six fights. His losses have been to top level competition The interim title for lost the Tony We match lost to Iaquinta. He moved up in weight to welterweight and lost to. Rda Raphael does on Joe's at this point. It's hard to see. He's not easy. It's easy to see. He's he's not championship level. Ready yet. He definitely does have the capability to be with more experience. But he's also not too low to the point where you can give him other up and comers but at this point it seems like he needs to build his credibility back east to get a few fights or few wins under his belt. Before moving on for more top level fighters he was ranked number eight and just lost the ranked number thirteen guy in Charles Oliveira. And it's hard to see where he goes here from now. The last thing he wants to be is a gatekeeper for the division But it seems like another incomer lake. Gregory Gillespie is what is in the future for him. He did miss. Wait for this fight again. A second time missing weight or third third time missing weight at lightweight but with his one and only move up to welterweight a loss to Rda ardia very respectable opponent top five. I believe a top ten for sure in the welterweight division. But that's where we're rede- figura where Kevin Lee goes from here. If he does decide to move up to welterweight since it seems like lightweight has been kinda trouble for him lately to cut down to. Where does he go in the welterweight? He's stuck between two very stack divisions with lightweight. Very top heavy and welterweight just stacked all around the top fifteen fighters atop ten for sure. A- anyone can be either one on any given day none of them are easy fight so moving up. The waterway really would make no sense but if he cannot maintain weight he may be forced to. You might have to move up in weight if he is staying at lightweight He's going to have to fight some up in commerce on Fifteen to ten ranked guy maybe even a lower just to get some momentum back on his side he had a great momentum. Going in with the or sorry. The Gregor Gillespie win tremendous win. The seems like he worked everything out at the Tristar Gym with feroce. Happy that he needed to but with him he's young. He could still do great things in the sport but he definitely needs more experience With a little bit lower level. Guys guys you can kind of figure out himself with not the Tony's not the could be abs not the top five in the division right now not the Quintas but four chose Lavera big win for him. He's now on a seven fight win streak Fourteenth of mission in the UFC just surpassed his own most submissions record. Which was thirteen before this and again out of his last seven. I believe that sixth fights now. He has a performance of the night or fight of the night or some sort of bonus. So he's he's on a roll. He's on absolute role thirty years of age kind of in his prime rate. Now any looks amazing. You didn't beep Kevin Lee. He kind of out class. Kevin Lee showed that he was better on the feet. Use Better on the ground and at the end of it Charles Lever at did call out the winner of Tony Versus Habib. I don't think that will be next firm since he was a ranked at number thirteen. He'll definitely be moving up a baby to the top five definitely in the top. Ten for sure With this Wayne and with the the role he's just been going on absolutely dominating and stopping his opponent for him maybe the loser of Tony Versus Compete. But like I said it's such a stack division. We have just engaged in there We have conor McGregor. Of course Tony in Khabib Donald cerrone. Liam not sure if he's fighting right now. Upsize add up. Paul felder is the most likely I believe Belgian. Did say he was gonNA hang up the gloves in go onto commenting. He has a great commentating career ahead of him. But that is a fight that could make sense a Ververs Paul felder or the winner of the Paul felder and Dan Hooker Dan Hooker. All data ogres ranked number six in these a lot. More sense for him and Charl- Charlie to fight a top. Five ranking Dan Hooker could be a title eliminator for the upcoming fight if we have to fit just engaging somewhere in there it'd be just engaging and Dan Hooker in Charlie era who are at the top of the division who seem to be active fighters. Don't see conor McGregor trying to fight Charlie especially with everything that Charles era has been able to do with his submission. I don't think conor McGregor would stylistically want that match. I don't think Tony or Kabul the winner is GonNa take that fight and at the top just engaged e is is what seems like is next in line for a title shot so again there are not fitting into well anywhere here like. I said Dan Hooker be a great fight for him while Paul Saunders coming off a loss. So maybe that's a better fight for Kevin Lee if Fowler decides to fight again or Surani coming off a loss again not too exciting of a fight for Charlie Vera. So it has to be one of the top five guys. Would Tony could be connor? Justin Fauria or Dan. Hooker is what makes A. He is linked very low at thirteen especially with such a tremendous run. He's been on it. It's hard to see why he's freighted so low. That looks like the future for both these fighters Charles. They're getting a top five guy if they're not busy between themselves looks like Dan. Hooker is the most likely fight And probably a good flight for Vera has well. He definitely has a strong chance of winning. That fight probably would be the favorite I think. Even though he is ranked lower for Kevin Lee. It's a rebuilding phase. It's trying to get back to where he was built his name up. He said it himself going into this fight that he was looking for a few fights where you could get some experience under his belt and then go for a title shot. That's definitely what he needs to do with that. Being said it will take another short break when we get back. We're going to talk about the Coleman event between Gilbert Burns and Damian Maya tremendous knockout victory for Gilbert Burns. Said hear more about that. Please stay tuned. We'll be right back. This is your ultimate stop for everything sports. The Golden State Media Concept's sports podcast. Should I say more from the NFL MLB the NBA to 'em all in here? The golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen all right welcome back. We just talked about the future of the main event fighters for UFC fight. Night one seventy Kevin Lee and Charles Lavera of very promising future for Charles Oliveira like But moving onto the Coleman of an of Gilbert Burns versus Damian. Maya very quick fight didn't go how I thought it was going to go with those guys being such good grapplers. I really did think this was going to be decided on the ground but Gabriel Byrne's far superior striker and he proved it a first round knockout victory. So let's just jump into how the fight Goes OUT STARTS OFF WITH BURNS? Coming out with a lot of things are few leg. Kicks switching the leg? Kicks up the body. Kicks doing great on the feed showing off? That he definitely has a the advantage in these standup Game Damian. Maya applied a lot of pressure. Moving guber burns back was smaller so I was hoping Maya would use his reach inside advantage but being a digital as he definitely wanted to get the ground so we get the fight to the ground and try to get a victory there and as he does pressure on the feet moving forward signature. Single leg takedown from him. He loves his legs and it was kind of guaranteed he was going to go forward. Just didn't know when but with that pressure he was able to back Gilbert Burns Up Venture. Get the leg intake. Gilbert Burns Down Burns did get very quickly. didn't get to do much with that. Takedown LIA- But once they scrambling to wrap backup to their feet. My was able to push Gilbert's up against the fence and make it a clinch warfighting With the hands a handwriting. Sewri but eventually did get to. The back of Gilbert Burns is standing up. Got Him down still had his back in new searches. Look like it was Damian Maya picking pace and turning the flight into what we expected with a grappling match. Eventually you rules gets Myers or story gets Gilbert's Burns back properly goes for a rear naked. Choke does not get it Then Maya's tries to slip into mount from the back of Gilbert Burns a with that scramble. They're both back to their feet in back to a standup kickboxing fight. A Maya throws a jab or so. He Faints Jab throws a Jab. And then Gilbert Burns slips just the inside of the Jab and let's go with a over hand or a left hook that landed right over the shoulder of Maya and put my down. A mile fell hard. It looked like US completely switched off but the way he landed of a perfect jujitsu style he. He landed his hands and back to the floor got his legs. Ogden role in out of position didn't get in bad position so a look like he's still had his wits but after watching it a few times. It seems like it's just a reaction. My has been doing Jujitsu for so long. He's such a great grappler. I feel that's his natural position was to get onto his back all lift his legs up bent at the knee awaiting forego burns to come in. But I don't think he was mentally all there I think he was somewhat out of it and At that point Gilbert Burns raises hands. Doesn't want to go four ground. And pound out of respect for Damian my end when the referee didn't stop the fight he had no choice. Pushed Dame is legs out of the way to get side control in landed some vicious ground pound to end the fight so amazing first round knockout or Tko. Finish four Gilbert Burns two minutes thirty four seconds into the first round and then burned start screaming. I believe in Portuguese. Not sure exactly what it meant. But what no crowd there. You could hear him completely clearly a far anyone. Who Does Neil Portuguese? I'm sure they understood exactly what they meant. But that was the effect of no crowd there again with this match. I really thought we would see a lot. More high level groundwork from both fighters in with no crowd I thought we'd hear some amazing Coaching from both sides. Of course probably not in English not easy to understand at all but definitely did a lot more did not see my getting knocked out so viciously but like we said my is not the best on his feet he definitely wanted to make it a match on the floor did wanted to make it a grappling. Massachusetts who match in was starting to get there but was knocked out before anything of significance that he could do right after that. Right after the Little celebratory victory for Gilbert Burns. He goes to Damian. Maya shows all the respect in the world and then moves onto thanking Henry who I in. His new are not new but his teaming and his coaching with Henry. Who've saying that the plan was to lend the left took speedy instead of with power Waiting for Meyer. Throw a left hand to come over top and then land left. Hook himself He got it off of the job but it was a tremendous left Tokyo so much power. Soma speed behind just landed perfectly on the chin. Right on the button where you'd want to land it Right on my at that point. It was the ended the fight even though it did need a few grounds ground and pound strikes to cement the victory in the eyes of the referee After that he called out Anderson Silva not for himself but for Damien. Maya's which shows you how much respect he has for my. He wasn't even worry about his own call on his own future. He was talking about Maya called him of Future Hall of Famer everything we already know but it showed the tremendous amount of respect Gilbert has I gave my both Brazilian. Both great fighters crowd would've went extremely nuts if the Brazilian crowd was allowed in to this fight. But with that being said such a quick fight We're going to move on and talk about what the future looks like for both of these fighters with the Anderson Silva Four naming my and a colby Covington callout for Gilbert Burns We'll get to all of that when we're back from a small commercial break so please stay tuned. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here. Nothing less than our podcast lists with endless hours of podcast covered from news. Sports music fashion cooking entertainment fantasy football and so much more so stop lurking around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guarantee to build that podcast is whatever. It may be visit sad. Www DOT MC podcast dot COM. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and Google play Welcome back we just recap the main event fight of. Ufc fight night one. Seventy Gilbert Burns tremendous first round. Tko victory over Damian. Maya a great fight of like we discussed but for as forward the future of these fighters with Damian Maya. It seems like he's one of those fighters that will stick around for a long time hot just off of his skill in his willingness to fight. He's he was top five number five moving or going into this fight. It doesn't seem like he has his plans on retiring any time soon in for his future. Gilbert Burns. Actually like I said called out Anderson Silva for a rematch with Damian Maya. I think that is a great fight to make. I don't believe Anderson Silva is actively looking for a fight but he's always ready to fight as well and a rematch between two legends will definitely interest a crowd that would be a great coleman event cards and stuff the name of both of those fighters and if they're able to have another fight in Brazil at some time after this Cova Nineteen Krono. Virus issue is done. I think that would be a great Fight for a Brazilian card of course having a lot of fighters that were on this card back on another word for Brazil where their families our friends and fans can definitely come Philip though sixteen thousand empty seats and cheer for their guys But as far as for himself guber Burns calls out. Colby Covington. Very interesting fight. Kobe did defeat Damian Maya in Brazilian Sao Paulo Brazil and talked a lot of trash too. Not Just Damian my head but mainly to resilient people ought to the fans culture his act that he's been putting on of this bad guy and really help them Work his way up especially with the promotion and get amazing fight in. This is a fight. I would not be mad at seeing in Brazil that could definitely be a main event fight especially with because Dan. I'm definitely sure a lot of Brazilians would love to see. Colby fight Just if they WANNA see him a fight to lose a lot of Mayweather. A haters like that do they. Do they watch the fight? Just TO WATCH HIM LOSE REGARDLESS MAYWEATHER GETS paid. And that's kind of cold these thing here on definitely a lot of Brazilians would pay to watch koby lose or the opportunity to see koby lose especially to a Brazilian Like I said Kobe. Beats Maya now burns. Just be mild burns beat him with a tremendous NOCCO first. Victory absolute dominance. But I don't see a Colby Covington fight in the future or at least as the next fight four Gilbert Burns go becoming ten is ranked at number two behind Comorros mongering the number one and use known as the champion Burns definitely needs to jump in the ranking. He was ranked that number twelve. Beat number five ranked. They mean my very stacked Division like I said before this is a division where at any given day anyone in the top ten can possibly be anyone else in the top ten. I is that competitive. In with that competition you get to see who the best of the best really is. Instead of a stagnant division one completely dominant champion As far as colby I think he's GonNa be gunning for a rematch with use. None of which makes a Lotta Sense Because of the tremendous fight they had. I believe the Leeann Edwards versus Tyron. Woodley fight has been cancelled or postponed by the UFC due to Colonel Visit Krona Virus Cove in nineteen issues so unless that fight is being reinstated. Another fight for Governor Burns could be Leeann Edwards number four ranked Edwards Dow definitely be a big step up in competition even though maybe my was ranked at number five. He was a great fighter in this was a step up in competition for Gobert Burns. He definitely cemented himself as a top ten. Ready for sure as far as fights that makes sense for him right now. Not Raphael Sanchez. Fight could make sense Michael Key ESA fight maybe or Thompson. Thompsons I could make sense. Rda makes a Lotta Sense. Both Brazilians there again If it was to be like I said a Brazilian card. When gatherings are really allowed by the government that would be another tremendous Fight to make on the card of Bud Raphael Tucson. Just a big name a great fighter. Huge test for Gilbert Burns again. Jujitsu guys They'll definitely have some digital but stand up his where Would WANNA see that fight? Go from very it really depends on how it goes from there. he's definitely in talks of the top guys in the welterweight division but nowhere near the top five like. I said it was a stack division. Whose Menez champion Woodley as number one contender We have Kobe Covington. As number to Macedonia. I believe at number three George Muscle And Leon Edwards. Not as big a name but he was supposed to have that fight. We'll see how that plays out. Maybe a fight of winner or loser of that fight could fight Gilbert Burns for his come up a victory and working his way into a challengers position back to Damien. He's definitely GONNA go down in the rankings. No longer top FIS ANDERSON. Silva does not upset me at all. A great fight for both fighters of both legendary fighters. It's Great Brazilian Fighter like I said in this Silva coming off of his loss to his champion chip contention loss to Israel Outta Sonya Both guys coming off losses all always make sense to guys coming off losses to see where they fit in on looking at Silva's record real quick The spider in his last fight. Like I said lost Okay sorry he lost to Jared Kana near a TKO loss I did not see that in Rio de Janeiro Brazil. Tko Leg kicks. Anderson still might be out for a while but not having the best of record as of late lost academy or lost to Israel Estonia a win against Derek Brunson but before that lost Daniel Cornea Lost Michael Ping of closely contested fight. Of course No contents against nick. Da's Anderson Silva looks like he's looking for make sense either. Career wise is in to get a championship or a legacy fights and this is definitely a legacy fight for both fighters a rematch between both fighters were Anderson. Silva did Win that I fight via decision and defended his middleweight championship. But that is a great hall of fame. Type fight for both fighters with that being said. We're GONNA take another short break and one more back. We're going to discuss the rest of the fight card with with Nikita Krylov and with trending Aldo in some more anime news. Especially with what's going on with the Cova Nineteen Corona virus. Please stay tuned. We'll be right back. This is your ultimate stop for. Everything's for the golden state media concepts or podcast. Should I say more from the NFL? Mlb The NBA. 'em It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen all right welcome back we just. We kept up into talked about the future of the Coleman main event fighters of UFC. Fight night. One Seventy Gilbert Burns and Damian. Maya now we're GONNA move onto the rest of the fight card of very good card. Overall the main fight on the undercard Rinaldo McConnell versus demure heads of each pretty device decisive win for renate. Konno's seems like there was a little bit of bad blood involved I expected this to be more of a Jeju to war again. A lot of Brazilian card heavy on Brazilian Jujitsu makes a lot of sense but getting into it both fighters came out are ready to go big strikes right off that in the middle of the octagon looking to damage each other locks in or grabs a hold of d'humieres body take down a quick takedown stands up from the guard of demure has of each quickly jumps over to the back. Gets the back a Lacson? A body triangle starts fighting for the rear naked choke. Submission gets pretty quick within under a one minute of this fight. Starting Renata McConnell locks in the body the locks in a rear naked Joe enforces demure has to tap out and wants to play ended. Didn't seem like the blood. Bad Blood was gone. Demure sits is sitting there. Were not a McConnell gets up gets into the face of demure he saying something can't hear exactly what it is right away but after that search shouting. I have no problem with you. I never problem with you. Let me talk to him and again without a crowd. We could hear that. Clearly you can clearly hear him shouting out. Demere demure actually says rematch. Which probably is not gonNA happen even Renato laughs. It off says ten seconds wasn't ten seconds but could have been it was under a minute. It was within seconds that he got that when the bad blood was there at the end of the fight after the official announcement. When was I believe it was not it? Was Michael Biffing. Michael Bisbee was the interviewer in the octagon rinaldo McConnell. What was wrong. He says a lot of his. The anger was because there was no brasilia crowd. He was really excited to fight in front of his family. His friends his fans and he had a newborn son. Isaac was a name that he gave a anyone to dedicate that fight to him very motivated. Very ready to go. This was his first fight at lightweight when he moved up from featherweight I believe and then he calls out Paul felder. He was ranked at number seven in the featherweight moved up and now wants to fight the number seven ranked. Paul felder at lightweight. Seems like a good fight to make Paul elder. He showed a lot of respect ball. Selander said he's a great fighter. Andy great commentator again like I said also does have a few options He had an arguable loss to done. Hooker very hard fault loss and did decide to hang up the gloves. But if he's back here is a lot of options in rain. Our not McConnell is definitely one of the options Moving on we had Nikita Krylov. Get a decision. Victory a very dominant decision. Victory over Johnnie Walker Johnnie Walker looked like a star before his last two fights someone who was calling out John Jones in the light heavyweight division and look like under under unbeatable fighter. He was very unique with the style. And that's what a lot of people like to see is the unique on Orthodox striking in Walker came out with that explosive Unorthodox STRIKING OF FRONT KICK and attempts a flying knee Within the first few seconds of the Fight Accord love of again. Very smart with his Tactics gets a clinch gets a takedown trying to tire a walker to edge victory which makes a lot of sense which is exactly what he wanted to do he did eventually do even though Walker did give back to his feet. Cringes RIGHT AGAIN GETS GETS WALKER DOWN IN Just hurts tiring him again and again career love ends up on top at the end of round one looks like a very dominant dominant round four loft but every starts on the feet which I guess is what Johnny Walker was looking for in round two Krylov. Line some great strikes and goes right for a takedown like you should have Joining Walker definitely Wanted to keep this fight standing wonderland's on bombs standing up But his holes in his ground game were definitely shown but I feel like he did a lot better again without the crowd. He was able to listen to the advice of his. Cornermen is coaches feroce hobby in a lot of the groundwork especially because there's a lot slower pace when it's a grappling match. You can listen for instructions and employ him a lot better. I feel that did help them out in this fight again. Court love at the beginning of the second round land few strikes Goes right for the takedown. Guess Johnny Walker the fence and Starts Lenny. Some good shots from ground pound shots and you can clearly see Johnny Walker starting to tire out at that. Point The grappling I. It was really tiring for him. And this game plan you get to see with a lot of powerful explosive strikers. The conor McGregor is the like I said the Johnnie Walker's anyone who is a very explosive fighter the Franchising Gon. Who's you WANNA take them down? Hold them down entire amount Not only to win a long fought decision. Victory but the amount so they don't have that power in their punches Habib did it to Conor McGregor of Stephen Roach did it to Francis in Gananoque royal employed that exact same strategy of very clever strategy very smart strategy not the hardest thing of what hard to actually go out and execute but he did it to Johnny Walker. Now at the end of this round Johnny Walker does Get Top Position in lonesome. Lanham really good Ground pound even gets the back of a turtle Krylov ends up. Landing a huge need to Krylov Bodywork. Krona's down but the round ends right there with Walker picking it up but still probably not getting the round since so much of the early around with grownups dominating on the ground. This happened right in front of Johnnie. Walker's corner right in front of a hobby and his coach so for him to be right. There clearly hear his coaches giving him instructions. I'll maybe that's why at the ending. He was able to get a better position. Get on top land ground and pound. Maybe steeled around but probably most likely did not take the round. Just that ending moving on through the third and final around more of the same Johnnie Walker on his back Surgery Krylov. Moving forward trying to land punches in Johnny Walker at. This point looked completely gassed. Out in the standup he was moving back very sluggish. His hands were down. You could tell just by his body. Language is completely tired. He wasn't looking for such an explosive punch anymore or cake or flying me Just which is taken out of him through the grappling Cornell lines beautiful front kick to the body gets a Johnny Walker. A little out of position runs in four the takedown and Walker ends up on top and again you can hear the corner clearly giving instructions to Walker For what to do next in the grappling exchanges Korla. Just better on. The ground gets better position on starts Getting some strikes in fighting for position. Johnny Walker throws few strikes from the bottom which are not too bad. But you can't really do much with head pushed against his chest. He was lining a few of his elbow to the top of the head. Not Too much damage a coil off ends off the round with big elbows from top position a few ground pound shot and just grinds out a victory of very slow fought hard victory but in that last round here the breathing the grunt of Johnny Walker. You can tell how much of a trouble. He's having their how tired he is. How how badly you want to get up to but with that said Johnny Walker Tenth Ranked Light Heavyweight Division. We'll be moving down while Krylov. Ranked at number twelve will be moving up probably into the top. Ten moving on a few fights with Glover Tachira of volcanoes demeer. A gust of Sanofi still planning in fighting Gustafsen. I believe is ranked at number seven. Acrylic seems to be on his way up with Johnny Walker. Going down that's two losses back to back. John Walker definitely need some more experience under his belt especially with his ground game. It seems like most fighters will now have a clear cut plan to take Johnny Walker down and out work him. They're moving onto the last flight or the first fight on the undercard of UFC. One seventy three fight night. One seventy offering. Typical Tornado Beats John. Mcdaddy pretty much the way I thought it was gonNA go both of these guys. Stand fighters kickboxing fighters very similar in style very similar in size of big age difference. Although a lot older I believe forty nine was his age or in his forties for sure but turn Aldo all along explosive a lot more power. And that's what won him. This fight Mukasey starts off first round. Just mainly side kicks. Low Kicks Not using his ends at all. Just trying to keep Hernaldo at bay not wanting to engage with hands just trying to try and get more points and stay faraway make it. A technical chestnut wall tornado was trying to move in with which kicks more powerful kicks Switching his case from locates two hikes body kicks and very powerful hands. He would jump in moving forward of very pressure pressure dominant fighter especially against someone who wasn't willing to engage as much with the hands because of tornadoes. Power around two. It was more of the same desi. Mainly throwing kicks. Low Kicks and Just psychics trying to keep make time to keep turn ALDO STORY AT BAY. Not letting him get close enough to let his hands. Go turn although was just landing. The more powerful shots. Even though McKenzie was lending a similar number of shots mic desi was in lending With substance behind any of the shots most of them were trying to stay away he was moving back the entire for Sean and moving into the second round moving back giving turn all the time to breathe giving turn although opportunities to move forward and just look like the better fighter in the end of round who says he starts picking up. Let's his hands go a little bit more but nowhere near enough to get around for him either. So moving to Third Round Nick. Desi really needs round any starts to fight a bit better. He's not moving moving back anymore. He's a lot more stationary Willing to trade With turn Aldo but still a little too late Jan although still probably won the last round and edges out a victory a clear victory on not ranked in the story is late. We've division but definitely put a mark and definitely made sure that you realize despite his age she's still very good competitor and get give trouble to a lot of fighters on the way up without being said we're going to move on and talk about more news especially with Deco vid nineteen corona virus. And how that's going to affect the future of mixed martial arts so please stay tuned. We'll be right back. Want to know the latest and soccer. Then listen to the Golden State Media. Concept's soccer podcast. Mls is the world the Premier Li. We've got you covered. The latest update hottest matches news on the League's top players. It's the golden state media concept soccer podcasts. Listen all right and we are back. we just we kept the main fight court of UFC fight night. One seventy are the main event. Deco Coleman Event and the undercard with US seem to be a lot of great fights. The main theory fights are ending Via submission or knockout the other two fee decision. But now we're GONNA move onto more makes martial arts news starting with the elephant in the room the Cova Nineteen Krono virus pandemic quick little thing I am on self isolation of because someone at work said their significant other did test positive later on saying that did not test positive was just strep throat but because I did have a the common cold I am on self-isolation until all symptoms get better but with that being said the corner liars is causing a lot of issues for a lot of sports of the NBA Basketball Baseball the NHL hockey all of them pushing back or cancelling the season off until further notice. Not sure if it's GONNA be back or not but luckily a mixed martial art does not have a huge roster for such a virus to spread. It's not a team sport but it must be difficult for the gyms. I know a lot of ginger closing. A lot of boxing gyms a lot of mixed martial arts gyms are not open especially in mainland China using Ueli have to change her camp multiple times due to the crow virus. But with this car. This was the first card in Brasilia. Brazil where the invent was almost shut down because of the cove nineteen virus. The sixteen thousand seats work completely empty on no crowd to watch besides the staff. That was there Luckily the cards still did go on as saying go as the saying goes to show us go on and it did. A lot of fighters were upset. A Brazilian fighters fighting in Brazil. Two zero chance to fight in front of friends family but no one was able to show up because Mo- gatherings over one hundred were allowed in Brazil but how is this can affect the rest of them emmy for today. We've seen a few of a ton a few times where it was a grappling. We're going on a little bit of stalling. There was no stand up because normally the boos from the crowd when a fight goes to the ground and seems to be stalling out the boosting. The crowd is what gets the referees. Involves it gets them to stand up and also influences the judges a with this fight a card without any crowd we saw. There was no influence on the judges both by the crowd. No influences on the referee by the crop for any stand ups but also we heard the corners of both fighters a lot better than not just making it easier for the fighters to follow instructions. Get instructions Especially in the grappling exchanges. Which are a loss lower lot more thinking involved? We saw for the Abbey and the quarter giving great advice to his fighters but other than that we seen the fight or the coroners sewri yelling out a good work stuff again. Maybe trying to influence the judges by themselves without a crowd to entice the judges to favor around either way. The cornermen definitely didn't get did get involved and tried to do that to a degree a lot of it could have just been motivating their fighter actually trying to motivator fighter. Give him a little bit more a little bit more steam in the gas tank a little bit more gas sorry But no crowd moving forward. The fight card was cancelled of for the USC. It was the Lien Edwards Verses Tyron Woodley Fight It was supposed to happen in the UK but with travel issues between the Between Europe and the United States. That's been a big issue for them. So they're trying to reschedule that fight. Maybe an event in the United States where most fighters are especially with the the main Liane Edwards Leeann Edwards in the UK and Tyron Woodley in America. It seems like that's a fight that can be really hard to make. But to find other fighters that are in North America to set up a fight card. That way is what it looks like is going to happen. A believed versus Tony Ferguson. Fight fight made for the fifth time is also being pushed back because of Dacoven nineteen virus no longer in New York. I believe it's happening in Vegas again competed issue a few words to the Nevada State Athletic Commission as to his punishment for the Connor. Breuil I N had issues with going back to Nevada. Said he's completely happy in New York would rather fight New York but it seems like a lot of cards are going to be shifted around a locations and the fights on the card if they can't get fighters in from their countries do travel bans but besides that the covert nineteen doesn't seem to be affecting mixed martial arts to the degree it's affecting other sports. Hopefully we still do get to see most if not all of the flights that we were looking forward to. Hopefully this pandemic does die down. Something's done about it but until then it seems like either cards are GonNa be empty without any crowds which is gonNa make for a lot of interesting fight a lot. Less crowd interaction a lot easier to hear the coaching and easier to hear the fighters. Whether it's the cakes the punches the knees we completely heard all of that. We heard them bouncing around of foot work in the cage with this fight. A also the trash-talk Habib is known to trash talk well holding his opponents down. We're going to hear that a lot more clearly. He did it against Barboza. I believe he did it against Conor McGregor for sure. That's definitely something we're GonNa get to hear a lot. More of iffy chooses to do so But with that being said thanks for listening to the GS MC anime podcast brought you by the MC. Podcast network I would like to ask you to. Please remember to subscribe to the show. Please write a knife review. It really helped us out a lot. Also if you can please follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. That would be very appreciated. Thank you for tuning in and have a good night. 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