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Steve Moore 3-22-20
"Good Morning America. This is the catch roundtable chunk. Cats Matiz here. Well we have problems. We had to corona virus but that leads into economic problems with us. Today is our country's leading economist. Author a strategist works with the president and runs the committee to unleash prosperity. That Larry Tunnel became. We have Stephen Moore Stephen. However you quality tough week. You're right about that But I'm hanging in there and I think that You know we had a very good Conference call with you and Some of the other top economists in country and I think that You summarize the current situation best which is until we get this virus under control until we get some testing and treatments. It's GONNA be some tough sledding for the economy. We've gotta get the we gotta get the thing contained once we do? I really confident that our economy will bounce back but this go on for a couple of months. No I think the problem has to be solved as I said on the conference. Call over one hundred leading Journalists and financial type people on the conference for a conference. Call that unless we solve the problem next thirty days. The recovery. Going to be harder while I don't think there's any question about it. You know I mean you've got in Washington DC where. I live where I am right now. It's a ghost town to go anywhere near the capital or anywhere near the business district and I have You know My son lives in San Francisco. And they're in total lockdown in California and New York is basically in lockdown and not essential businesses. So this is going to take a real toll on the economy. There's no question about it and my point that I've been making is that I think this can't last more than three weeks or else. The damage of Shutting Down Shutting Down Workers Shutting down factories. People losing money on their role as we'll be so significant that the cure may be worse than the disease so we have to find a treatment for this disease so we can get Americans back to work because we have the greatest amock engine. I've heard you say there's so many times America's the greatest economic engine and the history of the world. We cannot keep it shut down agree. One hundred ten percent and You know I think it should be reflected to president trump That on the conference call home along with the one hundred. The people on the whereas yourself Stephen Moore Dr Laugher Kevin Wash the Federal Reserve former blood and anybody else. We had to well. We had in any audience. You know. People like Bernie. Marcus the founder of Home Depot. Some really smart people. Everybody's concerned it's not. Just you know big businesses. It's small businesses that are being affected. I have friends who invested their lifetime savings in a restaurant or a bar or a retail establishment. And you know they don't have any customers coming into the door. So you know there's no revenue and you know you compound that Throughout the economy. And you take a real hit you know we saw about a couple of million people signing up for unemployment insurance this week. You know those numbers are even GonNa compound in the weeks to come. We might you know rights the twenty million people signing up for unemployment insurance if people can't go to work so Job One is to find a find some kind of screening mechanism or a task and job to is. Then get the economy as you know. The Congress has moved along in terms of passing trillion dollar. Rescue package you know. It's mostly relief in the short term. You know the twelve hundred dollar checks for people and some aid the businesses. That's fine but you need longer term. You know relief as well. I you know we need to have a what we call a v-shaped recovery which means you know we go down steeply because of the shutdown of the economy and the corona virus but then wants to Dover we wanna just you know sore out of this as quickly as possible and I think we can. I think we've got the policies in place to do that. I would like to see the replacement of the suspension of the payroll tax to give employers like you a little extra incentive to hire more workers and then you you know 'cause you're talking about a seven and a half percent reduction in your payroll costs and then you do something similar for workers where they get to keep seven percent more of their paycheck because you know workers are going to be hard airport. You know a lot of middle income and lower middle income. People are going without paychecks. That's that's a lot of financial strain on families. I agree with you and my position was that we need a solution next thirty days because enacting to be able to shut down New York City in Shutdown California and New York state forever. We need a solution and whatever we have five or six. Different drugs available I think the doctors have to the decision of which one is the best one or and and try out and try it out with the people that are very sick. That have a chance to live with those drugs and people see some possible. Blue-sky got a thankfully. This project signed into law. I think it was a year or two ago. Something called right to try. That people should have the right to try drugs and treatments If they have some kind of virus or some you know cancer or something like that. I always thought that was a very smart thing to do. And let people try some of these treatments. And you know we are seeing some promising results in the laboratories right now and the clinical trials. So let's rush them out and by the way one of the things we need to do John is. We need to have a kind of A blanket waiver on liability so the companies aren't getting sued so that the drug companies don't get sued because that only delays the introduction of these badly needed treatments. I agree with you. You one hundred ten percent so part of president trump solution should be willing to try these drugs and the the government will indemnify them companies from any liability Steve Moore. Let's pray for our country and hopefully we have a solution by Monday from Washington and let's catch up again after that okay. John Agree weekend naked.
Steve Moore 12-22-19
"Good Morning America. This is the cat's table John Katzman. TV's here it's Christmas week. We survived the market than for another record week on the upside. Excite is one of the chief economist for our country. I got Stephen Moore. Stephen Larry Christmas John. Never better boy. This it's news couldn't come at a better time with blockbuster stock market report you know where we got a few days before Christmas. And everybody's got flush with cash and the Christmas seasons reading great for funding and especially the last few days people bigger paychecks. Everything seems to be working John. People have two more days suspend. Money is Monday and Tuesday and the sun is gonNA shine for the rest of the century. Well you know. I don't know how much longer this go on. Because you're right we've had every time I don't think the stock market can go up any higher. It keeps rising and rising. nells my buddy. Larry Kudlow and others saying working dow thirty thousand thousands of you know maybe even before the end of the year. Don't forget we got this. You know amazing trade deal signed or at least you know a handshake shake deal with the Chinese which will double according to the president double our exports to China and the next two or three years And then you have you know how about the US CA got a Mexico agreement. passed by an overwhelming majority in the house and it will it will also passed by an overwhelming majority in the Senate. When's when's the last time we a bipartisan. Piece of legislation passed Congress. It's been a long time Stephen. Even I heard you talk to a few people at the beginning of last week about the uranium problem in our country and the only place in the United States to buy uranium right now is from the Russians and God. Not God forbid what's tell. Tell us about what you were talking about. This is an amazing story. John I mean as a scandal for the last thirty years or so we. We've gone from being leading country in the world for mining resources everything from opera to Cobalt coal who Silver to uranium. We you know we are so blessed as a country with these natural resources in the western states and you know in the last thirty years we've gone from being being the world's largest producer of these minerals through now importing them from other countries and that's a big problem. You see back that we've shut down so many of our because of these radical environmental rules and one of the resources that we are now. Almost entirely dependent on exports for is uranium mania. Not People might say. Why do I care about uranium. And that's because we you know. We are nuclear power plants which we get twenty twenty. Five percent of electricity comes from nuclear power. They depend on an available. Supply of uranium enriched uranium and then of course with nuclear submarines are our military needs these though and and you're WII leading countries. We're getting uranium from how John is brushoff I mean. Can you imagine anything dumber than getting your Iranian from Bladder Mirror Putin. Well Yeah I mean that is had. It's crazy I heard you talking about it and I felt the American public should know. Oh what's going on and you went on to say that I mean president trump. I'm sure wants to start raining again but there was a tenure line from permanent something so donald trump is basically. It looks like he's going to issue an executive order together mining back open and create a domestic supply in states like Utah and Wyoming and Montana where we have an abundant amount of a uranium obvious. It's been have safe environmental laws but we WANNA make sure we're producing that and that those minerals and So that it will be a very good thing but yes I told the story the the president that you know it takes on average ten years to open up the mind in the United States today and then I looked at what it takes in Australia and Canada. They're pretty restrict. But I'm on a little stool. They said it only takes about five years most countries and then I asked somebody in the in the US Department terrier. How long does it take you to open a mind in China Russia. And get that permit and the guy laughing said there's no permit again Russia or China. You want to build a mind you go out and do it. So this is we need need we need to have our mental resources are mining industry rebuilt by the in this country and I think Donald Trump is absolutely committed to doing that. How did that phone between the cracks if it's been thirty years of just Benign neglect John where we just have been not paying attention to the declining are mining industry. And as I said earlier you know. Nation in the world has the MAZING resources that America has and it's a major source of income for a lot of these states like Wyoming. We all know and environmentalists. Just come in. And they shut down the minds and by the way you know th the now who shifted the mining countries like us Becca Stan and Russia and China. That we have no one domino's standards whatsoever unbelievable. We got one minute left. Tell us we rejected. Tell you American public two days before Christmas. Well I love this. CNN Paul CNN. John is you know. CNN is hardly from the Donald Trump Donald trump. They issued a poll just a day or two ago That found that seventy five percent three out of American radio comedy is pretty good or great. And that's tw- waste more than twice as high John as it was When when Barack Obama was president so three out of four of us be real really good about this economy and and What keeps up pieces. Could be hundred percent. Well I hope you have a very merry Christmas eve and any predictions on the markets for the first quarter. You Know I.. I don't see anything that's GONNA hold back this market. Now you've got the trade deal and hand you got taxes that have been you got you got sal money. I think it's clear sailing. Thank you know for for the at least the next six months and hopefully through the election and if this holds up. I've said it many times on your show Job Donald Trump could win a forty forty state. Reelection landslide Steve Moore Alenia economist in the United States of America. Thank you for coming on Sunday morning and God bless you. I hope you're right. Thank you John Merica. Merry Christmas this is the roundtable. We'll be right back.
Donkey Of The Day: Trump Ally Compares Coronavirus Protesters To Rosa Parks
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Wondering what those who did precautions are we'd men and women across the country taking the day Y'all making drop offs, customers leaving money a mailboxes for you pulling up taking the money leaving the we'd leaving the edibles doing because those twelve hundred dollars stimulus checks done, hit the streets and Wean men, and we'd women going to come up to day. Drop bombs. All the we've we've women got Daddy. Anyway, dog today today for four twenty as a man who talks like he's high all the time. Economic Adviser to the celebrity and chief Stephen Moore all right now. In about four states throughout the country, there are people gathering to protest social distancing. Let me name some of the states. According to The Washington Post three brothers and Minnesota started organizations. The rally protesters a conservative organizable in Jacksonville. Florida the same, in fact, the Guy Jacksonville this individual built anti-quarantine sites, clearly the beaches in Jacksonville anti in quarantine sites this weekend in Columbus Ohio one demonstrator. With at the State House and decided to put bigotry on top of his social distancing protests when he displayed antisemitic sign and social distancing protests in Michigan called Governor Whitmer of Michigan a Nazi and wave confederate flags all because they are against their governors. Stay at home or it now. This makes no sense to me. Okay? especially coming from the right being your leader to guy, you would have to take people to. If aliens came down and ask you to take me to your leader, he issued his own shelter in place guidelines and according to a recent poll, seventy percent of Republicans support a national stay at home. Order so magazine. Why am I listening? Okay, you civil liberties, not script away. Nobody is taking away your freedom and understand. You feel like someone is taking away. Your choices are limited. Your range of alternatives with all of this is for a reason. There is a global pandemic going around called Covy Nineteen I. Don't know if you've heard of it, but here in America over two point, four million people have called it and one hundred five thousand plus people have died from it all your government, local and federal officials are just attempting to. Keep you safe. That's all they want anyone to keep you safe. Before whatever reason y'all a rebelling against it, look this is America have the freedom to protest and I have freedom of speech, so thank God I am free enough to tell you how your look, but not as foolish Stephen Moore. Stephen Wall compared these people protested against social, distancing to one of the great civil rights icons of our time. Queen Rosa Parks I. CAn't make this kind of stuff. Let's go to freedom on tap with John Cloudera. Hey, what he had to say! Isn't that called? You know the right of assembly and grievances against your government. I thought that was protected in the constitution. One would think so, but apparently the governor North Carolina doesn't think so. That's you know we're going to see a lot more of those in Ohio. We saw protests today. I'm working with a group in Wisconsin that wants to drive in. Remember the old citizens, but this is gonNA be a drive. They're gonNA. Shut down. Capital showed. Tell anybody, but they think they can get fifteen hundred people to come in. So this is a great time, gentlemen and ladies for civil disobedience. We need to be the Rosa Parks here and protest against these government injustice. Rosa Parks Stephen Moore Rosa parks with the catalyst for the Montgomery Busboy Kinda woman who is referred to as the first lady of Civil Rights and the mother of the Freedom Movement a woman who refused to relinquish. Relinquish her seat in the colored section to a white passenger after the whites, only section was filled. Do you hear the difference already? There was this thing called. Segregation had colored sections and whites-only sections. I'm sure you know about this. Because the whole make America great again. Thing is all about wanting to relive these times so understand Rosa parks was resisting set racial segregation. Okay, she organized and worked with civil rights leaders like Martin Luther. King Junior, they protested the Montgomery buses for over a year. They were fighting against racial segregation. Liberties. They didn't have any freedoms. Okay, this this Stephen Moore is what real marginalization looks like this is all. Those. Fools protesting against social distance distancing protested against nationals, they at home owners. 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The Geist is Right 4/23: ICP, Elizabeth Warren, Elijah Wood, NFL Draft
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Tell us about what inspired the series and how we became family, you can listen to the podcast. Fake doctors, real friends with Zach and Donald on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts and wherever you get your podcast. Hello the Internet and welcome to this very special episode of come on down to the GEIS's right. Courtesy of Johnny Davis. This is the second time doing this intro because I forgot to tip free courts I can't believe that's the first time I've done that because I'm a very forgetful. Dumb Human I'm Jackie O'Brien that is miles gray. miles. How're you this fine? Thursday, Oh, I've never been better. Jack. Things are sunny in the San Fernando Valley Right now we are approaching ninety one degrees. Fahrenheit wow. It has me actually really messed up emotionally because I would love to go outside and enjoying with anyone. Yes, yeah I feel you. Let's tell the people what's trending. Get their mind off of the world beckoning outside their window. Yeah! I see P that what I think it be. Yes, you tease your child for wedding their pants. I see. that's a good joke, though it says for ablest rap group. Insane Clown Posse they are basically out here. Making a lot of waves for saying that. Hey, look. They were knocking. The gathering of the Juggle OHS okay, but we're also now we are going to use some of our merchandise to help make some protective masks as well, but they said first of although we cannot put the Gigolos at risk and shot up to them. You know doing a lot to protect. Their own people than some governors are so in a way. But I guess whitmer might be the governor of Michigan, but so might shaggy and whatever the other one's name is. More like the impressive clown Posse 'cause I'm impressed. Wow, no one who's a shaggy violent J I shouldn't give it to violent J J yeah, and Shaggy chewed up. So yeah yeah yeah I mean. It's a big big moment. I'm sure everybody who has a as a fan of everything. They're finding their annual. You know big temple event being cancelled unless it happened like up in like in February January, but yeah, like kamikazes done gathering of the gigolos is a wrapped no coachella I mean. When are we going to stop being surprised or even announcing when something? More than that. Jack, when are we going to stop? You know these experts from killing the economy really. Yeah trend. I'm referring. To. A lot of fatal and that's not going to be sold at that gathering. That is. Not going to do much for Michigan's economy, I can tell you that much. I've always had a soft spot for the jug lows just because they were definitely the target of like one of those Middle America Like. Straight mainstream culture panics where anybody who committed a crime and listened to the insane clown posse like was seen. They were like see. They're a gang, their violent gang. was kind of like a soft satanic panic. I mean the lyrics were pretty darkens. The lyrics were. Oh yeah I mean like is. Like I, said I don't I don't believe insane. Clown posse to be a satanic cult, but if you're. Just in the same way when gangster rap was coming out, people just took what the words were and we're like. How could someone even say that as a song? Like? How are they talking about as a song like when you talk about like stealing the souls of kids at the The wild carnival of? These people are like. Oh my goodness there so. That's part of the fun. Right they also. Jugglers star in one of my favorite workaholics episodes so Let's talk about Elizabeth Warren a shoutout to her and her family. She lost her older brother. covid nineteen this morning. The man just like it was a morning. Yeah, just a statement on it. I mean again. Know this this illness. This virus knows no bounds, no boundaries as it can get anybody from the highest to the lowest to the relatives of presidential candidates. When there was just this part that she had written in her statement, or that was part of a statement, just saying how she just really was. You know obviously there there wasn't much that can be done, but she felt really terrible that no family could be around her brother. You know before he passed away to like you know at least like hold his hand or say that that he was loved and like. I, mean anybody who's lost anyone you know like if you're fortunate enough to be able to say goodbyes and things like that, how important or how that can be part of your healing process, and just to even comfort the person who is going through a something like this, but that was really that was. That was tough to read head. They tried one of president. Trump's economic advisers idea of putting everybody. Everybody in spacesuits, more space outfits as he called them, who said that Stephen Moore Stephen Moore member of trump's economic task force spoke to The New York Times and said that he's been biasing the president about how we have to really get things that opened May I too late. but maybe the way to do it is to put people in space, suits or space outfits seriously. He's. Does. He work for big space, suit or big space outfit I'm sure I mean think about all the money you make off of best bid. Like honey put all. In space outfits. What companies are just fucking? Space outfits. Mesa. Where is that just doing the shit space? People where let's talk about Elijah Wood for some reason. Yeah again. In this age especially now like we've already as we from the beginnings of this trend show whenever we see a name or anyone season name we go could miss what happened. What tragedies befalling this trending person but it seems OK allies would sign. But he apparently made a big splash because Jack. I'm sure you saw this because you're on your Nintendo. Switch playing animals causing everyone else. This dude pulled up and he was just he was selling turnips doing what I'm going to turn up just doing his old thing on. Animal crossing and that hey I like to turn up on animal crossing on my switch as well. ALL RIGHT KIDS! Called I'm going to skip ward off. The distance. Crashed my wheelchair on this half pipe. Everyone people were just really excited to see him. You know I'll. Just have a celebrity, interact with them and kind of doing the same thing like everyone else is doing, and I'm sure Jack Seeing this now. That probably puts your plans to go on animal animal crossing on hold, because you kind of wanted to be the OH. Gee, of that, but is he beat you to the point I wanted to be the first person to really surprise people with a Bushel of turnips. Going to have to come up with a new a line. where I show up on. Time to turn up right right right. fucking Elijah Wood once again. I takes my takes my idea to be the biggest asshole in Hollywood at Poker Games, and now this was that wasn't that him who was asshole and Molly's game was supposed to be based on Oh shit. was supposed to be Elijah Wood Yeah. Maybe I actually never saw him. I just heard that. It has a really Anaya. Not supposed to be Spiderman toby that not Elijah Wood none he's FRODO. You're thinking. Oh, nine, Peter Parker Bro Toby Toby Toby Maguire. I think they're the same person, but. I agree on that one way to set tone domes against each other. I know I. Apologize Goes. But, they're the same person. And finally NFL draft I prefer it in the bottle, but. A Fire among fire right now come on, the dad. Jokes are just flowing through me. My goodness, you're like the emperor and Jeddah I just shooting out of your fingers. I don't care about the NFL draft. This is the thing that happens on a day in the spring, where like I, think it used to happen during the on the same day as the Kentucky Derby or like around the day the Kentucky Derby. And it's just as random like media day. Where like all anybody talks about in sports is than fell L. Draft, and I'm just tuned the fuck out, too many positions to many football players for me to keep track of. someone who doesn't know you know you I'm famously not engaged with the NFL so. Yeah, the one thing I remember the last time. I think I remember about the NFL. Draft was that it had happened around the Oklahoma City bombing because I remember I was on a trip. Like I think it was my spring break when the Oklahoma City bombing, it happened. And then I feel like the news cycle was the NFL draft or the Oklahoma City bombing right Oklahoma City bombing happened on the anniversary of the Waco. Standoff, which is April nineteen. We talk about on tomorrow's episode. April nineteenth know WHO's first draft I pick that you're ninety five. Key Johnny Carter Co.. Shit I don't wait Kadena Carter I. Actually don't know who that is running back for. The bengals played for Penn State. Because I just remember that was like one of the you know back in the day like when the Nike would make like College Football, jerseys like the one from Penn state and Johnny Carter's Jersey. That's the only reason I told that person. would be like. Oh shoot do Newton's loans. I know Nike Shift from the nineties. Right. Wow a running back goes number one now. That's something that dates that graft and my right. You're telling me. well That's that's plenty. That's four things that were trending right now. We hope you guys are having a good quarantine. Good afternoon stand safeway can. Be Good to each other. We will be back tomorrow with a Banger of. Turkey then by. Miles what if you could spend less time? JODEL email meetings with updates chainsaws. 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The Washington Red Tails?
"Everybody's it is. Thursday. Smart daily edition me and Kimberly Adams. Try and as always to make today make sense. Try, is it even possible now really? Well, I don't know that's a good question. That's why we're. Try. Right. Girl from Saint. Louis, oh my goodness. Yes, yes, so we'll do a news fix make me smile. Rip It all up in fifteen minutes ish long as I don't go long winded and yes, I want to start with yours. Because that is something so holy cow so this afternoon at. Six. Nineteen PM Eastern time. There was not bad. The dropped in the in the Wall Street Journal rather from Casey Mulligan and a guy by the name Stephen. Moore Stephen Moore is well see. He was floated for the Federal Reserve by President Trump, but back the way after some. Of. His background came to light He has a remarkable record of being wrong on the economy and yet somehow gets quoted on the economy. He's from heritage. Anyway the headline of this op Ed, and granted up writers. Don't get to right there on headlines, but it says a true economic stimulus plan don't extend benefits employment suspend the payroll tax cuts to spur work and growth, so couple of things to contextualize this number one as we said on marketplace today, fifteen fourteen million people in this economy are getting the extra six hundred dollar a bonus. unemployment benefit a week by the way that goes way in ten days two weeks. number two suspending the payroll tax will be less effective today than it would have been say six months ago because there are fewer people on payrolls. What happens when people get fire okay? right. Right, or or what have you and number three and the crux of this whole thing in a political context is this. Republicans generally say look these generous benefits are incentivizing people not to work. and Democrats are saying they need this to pay the rent and buy food. I will say that there has been lots of research done on this the most one of the most prominent among them from the Congressional Budget Office, which said in the beginning of June and the date is important in the beginning of June. That extending these benefits from the cares act. Would in fact reduce employment over the medium to long-term? Two things you need to know about that number one. This crisis is right the bleep now. Number two in the beginning of June, things looked far far different than they do right now with virus counts rising unemployment going up states having to shut down again. It is not going to be a pretty fall, and it will be disastrously ugly. If Congress figure out what to do to get some kind of extra unemployment benefits flowing that is why highlighted this item, because it is deeply deeply macro economically troubling. said. There are a couple of things that that jumped out to me. In so first of all they give the counter to this payroll tax argument that it only helps people who were already working. They're like. Oh, but lots of people who are out of work are in a household with other people who are working so this is still going to work. the the other. Of the many things, they also argue that you know. If you get rid of this payroll tax, your boosting people's wages take home pay by about seven point five percent. Which is effectively asking people? If in the midst of this pandemic is a seven point, five percent pay bump worth it right, so there's that part of it. Stephen Moore is a member of president, trump's economic recovery taskforce right so this is one of the people making decisions about how we're supposed to come out of this now. Is this article up in front of you? It is up in front of me. Just okay. I would like you to use your Handy Dandy. Control F. Feature. On, your laptop control and look for Covid. K.. I get more citations. Writer, but they're all on those links. But they're not. They're not in the article. Yes, sorry, sorry, paid now look for. Pandemic now pandemic of good for you this. This is very clever zero for you. Excellent. I, read this thing a couple times and I'm like surely surely in an article talking about how we are going to have an economic recovery from a pandemic economic crisis caused by pandemic fill, at least allude to the health care crisis, and the tens of thousands of people dying and the spite nothing nothing and so. While you know I'm all four robust economic arguments on the best way to pull us out of a recession, they give the example of the difference between the UK and the US response to the two thousand eight recession, useful arguments completely irrelevant when people are dying. I just I was stunned that you can lay out. To be a reasonable economic argument for an economic recovery pandemic without even referencing pandemic and the fact that. Encouraging people to go back to work, which is what the stated purpose of this proposal is? Encourages people to go back to work in the midst of a health care crisis that is not under control any. Sorry rand read it, so that's been look and and is important, because because this is going to be printed out and put on the president's desk and they're going to say liquid Stephen Moore says in the president's soon as they. Yes, exactly, that's right, you know. And that's Okay your turn. I was trying to come up with something that was less of a Downer but this. I guess good news also kind of a Downer side to it anyway for the first time ever according to Freddie Mac. Mortgage rates have fallen below three percent in the fifty years that they've been tracking mortgage rates. It hit a two point nine eight percent this past week. Which means that if you were going out to get a mortgage or you're going to? To refinance, you could potentially do that at a very very low cost of living now. This has a lot of affects consequences and effects on on You know people who may be might be able to get into homes for the first time or you know we'll find themselves paying longer or lowering their monthly mortgages, all very good things You know, we keep saying in the before times in under normal economic circumstances. Let's do that and said and in normal economic circumstances. Lower mortgage rates tend to spur more home-buying right, or or more people getting into the housing markets because it lowers the cost of buying a home can have some effect on on the cost of homes and all those things. However We are in a pandemic. Lot of people are out of work. A lot of people cannot afford their mortgages or afford to pay their rent. And it just kind of struck me. That because I. Know a couple of people myself included. WHO FINANCED LIKE I? Don't know six months ago or something and I'm like. ooh, maybe if I refinance again, it can lower my mortgage rate again. Just wow. What privilege. because I still have a job. Thankfully, you know I am in the category of people in this country who are able to take advantage of these things the way the economy is shifting in response to this pandemic is creating more lending opportunities more access to capital and the ability of people who are financially stable to do financially better while exacerbating the problems of everyone else because I know a friend who lost her job. She's a bartender and she was trying to get one of those zero interest for the first eighteen month. Credit Card just tighter over. She couldn't. She couldn't qualify for it because you know she's out of work. She was low income to begin with. And so while these sorts of opportunities are great for folks who have a lot of income, or who are on you know stable position. It's just sort of widening that gap so sorry. I'm thinking. Oh, no, no, it's good, but but here's the other part about this right in addition to the privilege and the and the. Income gap realities at this thing brings to light just the mere fact that interest rates are so low and mortgage rates are low. Everybody goes yeah. I can buy a house now for those who can afford it. The catch is really really low. Interest Rates Don't portend good things for an economy in the medium to near term future, because the reason they're low is because nobody's expecting economic growth so. Year? The ten year is a point, sixty percent, but boo ten years at point sixty percent. That's that's another thing to keep in mind anyway. Yeah that. That that death, okay? Snored button to push. So. Show, the professional football team in Washington DC announced after much much pushing prodding and protesting by others who are more sensitive. These things in the guy who owns that team They're gonNA. Change their name and it's up in the air now. Apparently what the name is going to be the patent, fight and trademark and all this jazz. One of the names under consideration for The Washington professional football team would be the Washington red tails, and Omar Jr of sorts to the Tuskegee airmen of World War Two fame, the black pilots who flew with great valor and distinction The p fifty one mustang in that war, and they were called the red tails because. They painted the of their planes. Read Anyway, so there's a piece in the Washington Post today. The the lead picture of which is a one hundred year old former Tuskegee airmen main Charles retired general. Shaking hands and talking to people at the Smithsonian Airspace Museum in Washington. and I just love this story because it would be super cool on about forty seven thousand different levels if they wound up as the Washington Red Tales, right, it would just be so cool we will have as Tony Wagner likes to tell us in the slack. We will have it on our story page on our episode major whatever that pages. It's cool. It would be really it would. It would tell you my ski airman story because it just makes me so happy. When I was younger got a scholarship in Saint Louis for with the what's called the gateway. Eagles of Missouri, which is a small flying club, and the goal of it was to get a young people of Color, interested in aviation and stem, and they would have all what they call these fly ins where all of these people would. Would come to the airport and bring their planes from all over and just socialize with like a bunch of black pilots, and all of their friends and things like that, and there was a gentleman who lived in the area Louis Lynch who was a to ski airman and he always made a point to talk to me and tell me stories about him and his colleagues, and just Oh, my Gosh, what an honor! He! He passed a few years ago, but You Know I. Just it's just one of my favorite memories of my youth hanging out with Louis Lynch the actual tuskegee airmen. Day, it's the. Israel thinking so cool so cool. Okay so mine is it came from a conversation that I had I was catching up with one of my friends from backing Cairo because we still stay in touch and she pointed out. Egypt luscious that's. Cairo Egypt. In. The one in the US is Kiro Illinois Corona. So yes Cairo, Egypt, my good friend, my who? Is One of the more artistic literary people that I know and she pointed out to me with the national. Theatre in London is streaming all of these operas and musicals and performances, online and this week. They're streaming Amadeus. Excited to watch this. Yeah and you know the National Theatre in London, the Kennedy Center can Kennedy Center. There are so many artistic venues that are streaming all of these amazing productions online, and that that makes me happy and I hope. I sure to enjoy those things. Enjoyed support the arts and get a little beauty in his life. Man I'm telling you. That's my Thursday. That's my Thursday thought. okay so we're going tomorrow's Friday. Kimberly is not hearing we. French FRY. That's right Send US your thoughts. Your questions or comments make smart marketplace dot org where live on Youtube. for economics on tap I will be having a beer removal drinking a beverage of choice What is it three thirty Pacific six, thirty, eastern for the livestream link as Tony Likes to say shops. The show notes, make me smart is produced and directed by Sam Anderson. Our digital producer. Is Tony Wagner? Then head coach produces video with the help of our intern Ethan, parrots and thanks to writer producer Erica Phillips who indulges all of my random links. That I sent her for the newsletter. Ben, tolliday becky charge the down in the studios and Dan Down He and Daniel Ramirez with the music, the executive director of on. The issue senior Bruce in the show this week as well the Senior Vice President general manager is Deborah, Clark. Really Adams lovely to have you the for these four days. Mommy's going away in like August so Mumbai. Looking forward to watch never ending story, though don't forget this weekend, so somebody wait. Somebody told me it was scary. It's not. Do you know me I. Don't do scary. Scary. But not never ending story no. Okay?
Why the president's probable nominee for the Fed backed out
"From the newsroom of the Washington Post. Hi, there is the mayor versa. Lang's the Washington Post or pick your brain on. Jennifer johnson. This is post reports. I'm routine powers. It's may third. Today. President Trump attempts to reshape the fact the first Africans in America. And what happens when white people can't tell their non white co workers apart. Most people know Stephen Moore from his TV appearances. He's been a regular on CNN and FOX other networks for the last twenty years if not longer they really have to focus on business tax cut because Neil, you know, what the Democrats are saying this is Tammy did put this attached plant. I think the business tax cut as a sensual. I think they need has a master's degree in economics and has become one of the biggest champions of tax cuts in the United States, and he helped craft President Trump's big tax cut plan on Thursday, Stephen Moore, withdrew his consideration to be on the board of the Federal Reserve. He cited quote unrelenting attacks on my character. And he'd been facing increasing pressure from democratic and Republican senators they were concerned about his personal history his past writings and his experience with monetary policy. The problem for President Trump is he wants to cut. Interest rates and hardly anybody else in the United States thinks that's a good idea. The business community doesn't think that's necessary. Wall Street doesn't think that's necessary. Economists across the political spectrum don't think that's necessary. So he's got a pretty small pool to draw from people who agree with him right now Heather long as an economics correspondent for the post. President Trump look he's no dummy he wants to get reelected in twenty twenty and to do that he thinks one of his best selling points is to have a hot economy and very high stock market and one of the ways to get the stock market to go higher in to get the economy to continue growing is to cut interest rates. I think the fed should. Think the fed should. I think they really floated down there's no inflation. And so at the moment, President Trump is like fixated on juicing this economy. It's why he wants to big two trillion dollar infrastructure Bill. It's why he wants more government spending. Want to tightening should actually now be quantitative easing very little if any inflation, and I think they should drop rate, and they should get rid of want to date of tightening. You would be a rocket ship. The problem is almost no one thinks that we should cut interest rates except Stephen Moore. Stephen Moore wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed in March that was like Trump is right. We should cut interest rates and within hours of that op-ed being published. Boom, President Trump and now nces he wants to even more on the Federal Reserve. And then what happened after that? After that. It got really really interesting Stephen Moore. He doesn't have the PHD in economics, which is okay. The current head of the Federal Reserve is a private equity guy and a lawyer don't have PHD in an economics either. So, you know, I people were like, wait a minute. He can't be on the fed, you know, PHD. Then people said no that. Yeah. That's okay. He's Stephen Moore some expertise. But then people started to look at what he's been writing and saying for the last three decades. And that's where the eyebrows started to go up. He's done things that are I would call Khanna classic and among communist, he's called for a return to the gold standard, which the United States fully abandoned in nineteen seventy one. So why do we want to go back to that? If it wasn't working. So well, then then the statement started to come out that he's also been a big champion of men being the breadwinners in the family. And so he's made some comments that really offended a lot of women along the way. It's not a good thing that women are making more than black men today. In fact, you know, the the male needs to be the the breadwinner of the family, and one of the reasons I think you've seen the decline of the family not just in the black community. But also it's happening now in the white community as well is because women are more. Economically, self sufficient, and then finally, he also had some it's always these personal issues that really get people. The Washington Post was part of a lawsuit to unveil his divorce records. So it came to light. He didn't pay his ex wife what he was supposed to pay her by a lot by over three hundred thousand dollars. He also was a fight with the Internal Revenue Service underpaid taxes. So people started to look around like is this really the person we want and one of the top economic jobs in this country. So that's when you saw a lot of senators even Senate Republicans saying, look, we don't think that we're going to be able to support this guy. Maybe if you could explain like, what does the fed do because I think a lot of people don't actually understand that. And why was Stephen Moore? Maybe not the right person to do that. So the way to think about the Federal Reserve is it's a lot like the air conditioning and heating in your home. You sort of take it for granted. But it helps the day to day run in your home. And you don't notice it until it breaks down. And then it's a really big problem and the Federal Reserve basically plays that role for the economy, it make sure that trying to keep the temperature stable, which is another way of saying it's trying to keep unemployment low, keep people employed, and they try to keep the cost of living so prices for everything from bananas two cars to gas. They're trying to keep prices relatively stable so similar to try to keep that temperature in your home at about a comfortable rate and the way that they do that is mainly through two things. One is setting those interest rates that Trump has been talking a lot about lately, the other one is monitoring banks sort of they keep an eye on to make sure banks aren't doing anything wrong and that their lending enough. But all these other issues kind of bypass the fact that there might have been reasons why Stephen Moore wasn't fit from like in economic expertise standpoint. Well, this is a hot debate. I'd say two key things to keep in mind. Number one. Steve Moore is made a name for himself in Washington DC and on the TV circuit as an expert on tax cuts in the budget. He hasn't been making a lot of comments about the Federal Reserve at times in recent years. He's even said he's quote, not a monetary policy expert. So that's a little he sort of admitted he that's not his forte because fundamentally the fed doesn't deal with tax cuts or the budget monetary policy. Exactly. The other thing that's got a lot of people scratching their head. When he first got nominated is Steve Moore has claimed that the economy is currently experiencing deflation where prices are literally falling both of the rate hikes were on necessary and of causing depletion the. Economy. And I think it is I want to stop you there. I want to stop you there because he said this last time I was on. There is no deflation no there is not. We're not seeing that we're seeing low inflation. But as anybody who has ever gone to yoga class lately or going to the store knows prices are still increasing a little bit not skyrocketing. We're in a pretty good position. So people were like, wait a minute. Does he even know what he's talking about? If he's claiming that we've got deflation when we don't and he also had called ten years ago when the country was in a big crisis. The market was falling felt like the sky was falling people were losing their jobs and their homes. He was calling for the Federal Reserve at that moment to raise interest rates, which is like slamming the brakes on the economy that would have been totally the wrong thing to do. So again on monetary policy. People were like, wait a minute. This guy's views. Don't make any sense when it comes to the Federal Reserve, historically the idea. Idea behind. It has been that it is independent from the White House. And that what the president wants to happen on monetary policy isn't necessarily what the Federal Reserve will actually enact. But we're seeing with President Trump in his in his nominations were in or attempted nominations that he's trying to put in people who share his political views and his ideas of what to put in place. What is the risk of that? And is Federal Reserve getting more politicized. The biggest risk of politicizing. The Federal Reserve is in evidence in countries like Argentina and Turkey in Zimbabwe. And that is in a worse case scenario in those countries when you start packing, your central Bank with a bunch of political cronies, basically the whole financial system tanks because people don't trust what's going on there anymore and people stop. Investing in the country. Now is that totally going to happen? The United States overnight. Like, let's say Stephen Moore got on the fed. No. But it begins to chip away at that dynamic, and what happens is if we roll the clock back to two thousand eight two thousand nine when the world, and particularly the US was really in a crisis moment, it was the Federal Reserve. That bailed us out. It was the United States fed that sat there and got really creative about ways to pump money into the economy and rescue our financial system and ultimately our economy, and that's why the US recovered faster than Europe or other parts of the world. And if we have political cronies on their the chrome becomes would people trust the Fed's actions to be the right actions for the long term. And I think the answer begins to be known. Heather thank you so much. Thank you. Heather long is an economics. Correspondent for the first. This year is the four hundred anniversary of when the first enslaved Africans were brought to colonial America, the first specific person that we know of lived in the Jamestown colony and what's now known as for Jinya. Her name was Angela. She arrived in sixteen nineteen on a pirate ship called the treasure. That's deneen Brown. I'm a reporter at the Washington Post, and I cover many black history stories for the blog called metropolis two years ago. Archaeologist launched a archaeological dig at the Jamestown site, and they're searching for any clues of Angela. They're hoping to provide some kind of dignity to her story. Deneen went to Jamestown to see the archaeological site for herself. I jumped in my car and drove to Jamestown because I had heard about this. I just wanted to see the site. And I got there just in time for this tour that this curator was doing specifically about Angela. His name. We know. Angela. We know one of the first thirty two Africans are so would have been a part of the sixteen sixteen or it's very when I walk from the visitor center to the banks of the chains town river, I felt the heaviness the sadness. It's almost like the place is haunted by this really sad history. But very important history because we wanna know so much more about the first African woman to be documented to rive, Mus colony. What little we do know comes from historical records and the ongoing dick we know when she arrived in colonial America, what her captors named her. And we're she lift, but the trail of evidence about her story stops few years after her arrival in Jamestown for deneen, though, all of the things that happen to Angela before she came to the colony are what really standout she was forced to March more. Than one hundred miles from her village to slave ship which was run by the Portuguese. She was packed on the slave ship which was headed for Veracruz was on the coast of Mexico. The slave. Ship was intercepted by pirate ships one was called the treasurer. The other was called the white lion. There about three hundred fifty Arbor board who were chained and the pirates took off about sixty. We don't know what happened to the rest of the Africans aboard the ship. But Angela was among the sixty that the pirates took off. So historian say she's the first documented African to arrive on the colony of what is Virginia. She was listed in the sixteen twenty four senses by name as Angela and she's also listed in the sixteen twenty five senses by the name Angola of the treasurer. And what do we know about what her life was like after she arrived in? Julia. They don't know much about her life. They know that she lived in the household of William Pierce who was a captain. He was a wealthy merchant. They're not quite sure what kind of work. She did. Whether she was a servant or they're speculating that she was servant. This was before there were slave codes and Virginia. So some historians. Call her denture, but many argue that you know, she was an enslaved person. And Angela head arrived in Virginia in this critical moment in the development of America, right? The historian. I talked to Jim horn said she arrived in this kind of great paradoxical moment at the creation of democracy. But also at the time that slavery began, and what's now, the United States Jamestown was a colony. It was sixteen nineteen at the time of her arrival was this muddy place that was really dangerous that had. Really bad characters. It had pirates. It had colonised who had survived the starving time where there was cannibalism and people age other there were Indian wars that had wiped out many of the colonists before Angela had arrived, but Angeles arrival coincided with the meeting the first general assembly and Jamestown. It's the legislative body that's created in Jamestown, the longest continuous legislative body in America. So it's the beginning of government. So for a long time, we didn't really hear much about Angela as this first African person to come to the US and was there in Jamestown at this critical period. But recently, researchers started taking more interest. Why did that happen from my reporting? What I hear is the researchers in Virginia want to expand the. Of of the history of the country, and particularly to include the Africans who arrived, they call them. The first Africans who are in sixteen nineteen so throughout history. Their stories were often excluded from tuck spokes, many of us don't know much about the history of African people in this country. So there's this push to tell a broader story that's more inclusive. You know when you're coming up in class and school. You learn about the founding fathers. You learn about like we knew the name of John Ralph we knew the name of polka hana's. But until now many people didn't know the name of Angela. So that brings a whole group of people into our country's history. And they now have this person that they can relate to and some way and it helps to fill in the pieces. The missing pieces of the puzzle of what is our missing culture missing. Because of the the whole horrible slave trade. Where people or ripped from their countries. And whipped if they spoke their language and many black American Snell. They don't have that identity that information. So I think people are happy to know as much as they can about her even though we don't know her real name. We don't know her age. We don't know that she had children. We don't know whether she married we don't know what happened to her out of the sixteen twenty five sixes. She disappears from records. Did she live longer? We don't know. Kenin L Brown as an enterprise reporter for the post. now one more thing. So my name is Rachel had see potatoes. And I write for the about us racing identity. Us letter at the post, if you're a person of color, you might have experienced this thing where you get confused with someone else at work who is basically the same racist tap into me tap into Rachel. And so I put out this question on Twitter trying to see what the response would be like, and I was really overwhelmed with how many people were engaging with it and sharing their stories. My name is nNcholas pill, and I've Jonathan costano two of those people were nNcholas and Jonathan these to work together in the same office and their desks were right next to each other or just to Asian American guys and people. Never zinc to learn our names or rather the newer name. They just didn't know which name belong to person after about like two and a half or three months of just kept happening people with look at us and go ask our boss and be like which ones which one day, they just kind of decided they had enough of it. And they set up a sign that said this workplace has been through x amount of days better incident. And so we would count the days. There was no mix up. They would go like five days without an incident or seven days, but they never got past. Like, I think twelve or fourteen days without it happening to us. Eventually we got asked to take it down because making people feel uncomfortable early. We'll that's weird. It's uncomfortable for us that people can't learn our names or can't figure this situation out. Experts say that this is called the cross Reese affect everyone has trouble identifying. And telling people apart who are a different race from yourself. It's something that is not necessarily inherently malicious. This is the cognitive process that can happen in any environment where there's a minority versus majority. And so because whites are the majority in most workplaces because societally speaking in the US whites are the majority in film and television, it's more likely that whites will have difficulty telling people of color part than vice versa. Of course, it's one thing. When maybe somebody on the street mistakes you for someone else her mistakes for a celebrity that happens to be of your same race or identity, but it's total nother when it someone who you see every single day and really should be able to know your name by now, if people continue to do that that means they're not really looking at you. And they talk to you or not really taking you end when they have a conversation with you. Most people said they felt undervalued underappreciated and just like they're not their own individual in their own workplace. A lot of people expressed concern that it meant that by them being interchangeable with the other person in their office of the sameness city. Maybe the co worker wasn't doing something correctly. And they were getting blamed for it or vice versa. And you're never really getting the full credit that you should be getting because people can't tell you apart from one from the other. I was always aware that. Yeah, I'm like an Asian American person. But told by all this stuff started happening. I was like oh while like, I'm very different leg. And you see me as that. Like made me very aware of how we are a minority. They're like tiny little paper cuts because it's not, you know, someone shouting the n word at you on the street. It's kind of these everyday little slights that just make you feel like less of a person. Regal talked to experts. You said that the best way to deal with situations. Like, this is to call them out right away stopping the incident and saying, you know, that interaction made me feel blank. Can we have a conversation about that looking back on it? I think maybe we could have done it in a more direct way instead of like a very passive aggressive way. I don't regret it though. It was really funny. Ritual hutchison. Aw, ghost rights for the about us recent identity newsletter at the post, you can find a link to subscribe and linked to her story at post reports dot com. That's it. For post reports. Thanks for listening. Our executive producer is mentally Cossiga. Our senior producer is not Colette. Our producers are Alexis de our floor is Lena Muhammad, Maggie penman, Jordan Smith and ten dune who composes original music and does sound design for the show. The post director of audio is just all I'm Martine powers. We'll be back on Monday with more stories from the Washington Post.
Quarantine USA! (Pt. 10 - Sunday Service!)
"Hello and welcome to. Mattia is confused. This Leah and it's Sunday and it's the day of the Lord and the day of the Lord. We go to church but we don't go to church. We have Sunday service right here. K. Congregation unite and is power. Said uh-huh here and get back to the show fucking dancing to me by the Dow. Say as we all know I love Church music and I hate church Religion is not for me but the music fucking is however These songs the lyrics are just so fucking wishful thinking you know when Satan comes to tempt me and then some other bullshit and then my sins are gone. You know congrats guys. Your sins are gone. But you're still fucking getting together you're still going to church actual church getting all close spreading covert. If I call you on it. You just tell me your washed in the blood of Jesus and it's okay. 'cause YOU'RE NOT GONNA get sick but let me tell you. Something doesn't matter what your washed in metaphorically speaking cover. Don't give a fuck about metaphors Cova. Don't give a fuck about Jesus. Christ covert now. Jesus Christ was roughly two thousand years ago. Speaking fucking sins these people getting which I fucking understand. I'm restless your restless. Everyone's restless but something happened in the last week or so. The tenor of the entire conversation about staying home changed and You know there were rumors that trump was gonna to open up the the The country too early to to save the economy to save his reelection chances. But but I mean the the economy's valid concern. This is this. This is a fucked up situation for any president. Really you gotTa Balance Safety Versus While health you gotTa Balance Health Versus Economic Safety. I mean these people there are people out there who actually need need need need need to get back to work And so that too. Many to many many people is just as much of a concern as their health. If not a greater concern I get that fair. You can gamble with whatever you want but the the thing has changed even though trump was talking about. Okay we're GONNA. We're GONNA do this now. He he wanted to open up by Easter and then he he rightfully set. Took that back and said actually. We're GONNA go all the way through April so we were GONNA go all the way through April But now there's all this fucking backlash. We had protests in Michigan. We had protests in many many states and I'll get into the details of some of the protests in a little bit. But now so he suggested we closed down at least through April social distancing shelter in place a lot of the shit that That everyone's been doing but now I guess I don't know everything's working everything that we had implemented social distancing shutting a lot of shit down parks beaches restaurants and now it's starting to slow the spread is starting to slow and there are encouraging signs. But now that that's the case that people were crying about what you can't shut the economy down because if you do not fucking the world's GonNa end are now like see. We told you it wasn't that bad and it's clear that a lot of these fucking Republican governors and certainly. The president are itching to get their shit back open and now trump's tweeting ship. I mean there's still a fucking week and a half to go to the NBA. But he now he's tweeting. Shit like liberate Virginia Liberate Michigan because there are some states that are obviously run by Democrat governors such as Michigan such as Virginia where these protests are taking place while the protests are I mean. They're happened in California. I there have been close to me that there's some one I think today maybe in Huntington Beach. That is just fucking. I was listening to some of the people talk about it. They were being interviewed on the scene. And it's just like even if you try to take a really objective. Mind to it. The people that are doing this shit that are there at the actual protests are fucking idiots so even if you were actually gonNA come with an open mind or or not. I mean I don't even WanNa stay. Open mind obviously need an open mind but I mean even if you even if you're staunchly are on the side of our on the other side if you come to it and you're like you know what I'm going to hear these. I'm going to hear these people out the protesting. They're getting out of the house. There obviously congregating like us but we do a better. They're congregating and you listen to them. Talk see what they're doing and it's just like even if you WanNa believe them which I don't I don't want to do anything I just. I want the fucking truth and I want to do the best thing. I don't have an opinion on whether we should reopen the economy or Stay safe and stay home style or shelter in place. My opinion comes from what experts say an experts say. Keep doing what we're doing so I wouldn't really call it my opinion having an opinion when I'm not an epidemiologist or fucking garage EST or something. It just doesn't really make sense. I'M GONNA listen to those people and then just kind of think what they think. But it's like these guys have fucking better idea you look at the science. It's like a social distancing equals communism. I mean you don't know what communism is if if you have that sign if you believe that's the case then you don't know what communism is which is fine you don't have to know communism is but if we're going to hold up a big ASS fucking sign that's social distancing equals communism. You should probably know what. Communism is the best though. I gotTA say the Best Best. My Buddy sent me a tweet. I think it was from Congressman Ted Lieu California and it was a picture of people The the protests in Huntington beach and one of the guys on the front lines in the march had a sign that said Kovic nineteen is a lie and he was wearing fucking mask and gloves looked like he was in the movie he looked at. He was Dustin Hoffman in the movie outbreak holding a sign that said Kovic nineteen is ally. Hey man which the fuck is it. 'cause if it's a lie why the fuck do you look like? Dustin Hoffman in the movie outbreak. If you think it's a live take that shit off and go breathing on. Everybody getting breathed on by everybody. I don't get it and this of exposes this hypocrisy that I was talking about with trump earlier. It's like we're gonNA shut down all the way through April we're GonNa have he was even saying we're GonNa have a scary week. We're GONNA have a hundred to two hundred thousand deaths And it looks like now we might not actually have that many deaths in the next month or so which is obviously great which is obviously what everyone wants. But it's like which the fuck is it and it's perfectly embodied by this idiot. Fucking this picture. Covert nineteen is a lie. But I'M GONNA wear a face mask and fucking rubber gloves anyway. Because what if it's not? Hey exactly what if it's fucking not? This is why we continue to do what been doing. That is clearly working. What we do is err on the side of safety like even the idiot at the fuck and protests wearing a big sign that says cove in nineteen is ally wearing fucking mask and gloves which is it which is what it's okay to say you don't know but it's not okay to fuck in protest and parade around and yell the fuck about it about your opinion that you clearly don't even have and that goes all the way to the top for trump is out there. We're GONNA stay close through April and then with a week and a half left in April. He's fucking on twitter. Sniping at the fucking governors still have shelter in place orders. And then you watch all the FUCKING PUSSY. Governors be like. Oh you changes my now. Got To start opening some fucking beaches. Texas wants to open the State Florida and Alabama want to reopen the fucking. Just shut down. Uh It's working. You've been doing it for two days. Give it more of a fucking second. I saw this tweet from Neil degrasse Tyson. Who I I really. I have conflicting feelings about the Grass Tyson. Because he's clearly a fucking genius. Hawaii's such a cock. You know it's better to be a genius and not be a fucking total cock because then more people will warm up to you and come to your side and I'm pretty sure the point of a public figure like that who is like a fucking science evangelist. He's done so much I just think if he eased up on the on the cock sucker -ness of his attitude this just like he's got such a cock way about him sometimes he'll do mic drop shit and it's just like don't don't do that part. Just fucking do all the ship before the MIC drop anyway. This tweet that I saw this was good. I mean he's obviously fucking brilliant guy so I do admire him I just. That's my advice. Nieto I know you. Listen to this podcast. All I'm asking is that you ease up a little bit on the Cockney you'll get more people to a fucking listen to you and everything you say is obviously smart so I want you to be listened to by everyone so minimize the cockney anyway The tweet was to it I'm going to paraphrase but I think this is. This is what it was Two examples of deeply flawed logic. I one was. You don't have any DANDRUFF. So why do you use Dandruff Shampoo and the other one is and this is the butcher? But it was something like social distancing is working. So why would we keep sort? This is why I fucked that up. Whatever it is though and you know what I could open twitter right now and do but I don't WanNa do that but the point was you. Don't stop doing a preventative thing. You don't take you don't take Evidence of of of something diminishing where we get this right. You don't take awhile okay. Here we go. This is my dumber moments. You don't take evidence that somethings working as a sign that you should stop doing the thing. That's working the reason here. This is better the reason everybody's allowed to be dumb sometimes fuck Sunday and it's the fucking day of the Lord so I'm allowed to be fucking dumb every once in a while especially on Sunday. Thank God Here's this is the. This is the right way to break it down. The reason you don't have dandruff is because you used Dandruff Shampoo thank you thank you. Neil fucking cove in nineteen is ally shit the fucking the the thing that fucks me up about it. The most I think in terms of just like sheer heavy depression a thing that takes the fucking sheer heavy depression award is how quickly this became. Politicized talk about this from time to time but it it it's bearing out right now. It's rearing its ugly head and it's generally if you study a. I forget exactly what it is but it's something like on a on a list of typically right leaning in typically left leaning qualities if you randomly ask Someone like any three of the questions of like a list of fifty qualities tend to be left or tend to be right if you just ask three of them rant at random you can guess with like near one hundred percent accuracy. What party they belong to and this is just like it's it's it's immediately become a political issue. Somehow if you fuck in are on the right and you watch Fox News. You want the country to reopen and you want the country to reopen now because keeping the country like this against our freedoms is fucking communism. And if you lean left. You're definitely going to believe that. Social distancing is the thing to do shelter in places the thing to do. Just fucking stay home and and you know whatever the fuck dumb ass. Cnn AND MSNBC has dumb ass headlines like sniping at the dumbness of people on on the right or Republican governors. That doesn't mean that they're not actually right but the point beyond this is why is it. That every fucking Democrat basically or left leaning person at all thinks we should keep the fucking country as closed as possible and phase in any kind of returns to normal slowly carefully and everyone that leans right thinks it's a fucking lie or some version of it and and the country needs to be open now. It wasn't like that like a fucking week and a half ago. Shit turned around fuck and fast after nine eleven. Everyone was like kind of an agreement about shit. We're all fucking. Shell shocked but we were like everybody. Fucking loved George Bush. It didn't fucking work out that well but like usually during a massive crisis like this we at least put our bullshit aside and can agree on temporary solutions temporary respect for one another these fucking protests are like unite the right rallies. Everybody's got a fucking mega hat on. I saw should in Michigan people at the fucking guns fucking Bach. Social distancing equals communism. That's I mean I've seen a lot of dumb protest assigns that's like saying. I mean that's the point isn't even clear it doesn't even make sense but it's like saying Toilet paper equals benches cars. Equal bottles covered. Nineteen is a lie. But I'm GONNA wear fucking mask gloves because it's not ally I mean could anything be more fucking confusing than a guy like that this is why we fucking congregate speaking of fucking Congress get back in fucking some Sunday service sermon shit. Some day the Lord Shit Own Confused. Pau At that point. You would smile as I sounded only off all my friends concrete on her Dan. The guys who fucking super deep voices are the best dude Fucking love that Shit. I mean if you don't like it I'm sorry I make you listen to it for a full fucking minute but also if you don't like it get better taste Sticking with some religious shit I- sauce I mean it's just it okay. The crazy fanatic evangelical fanatic Christian. Shit is just getting crazier because of the Kovic. It's like they've they've found that their audience loves when they're they're they're throwing red meat at their congregation because their congregations not like this congregation. I was GONNA say my congregation. But it's really all of us. You know speaking of fucking Communism K Munim Kate Museum but they're fucking Congregants love clearly. This fucking anti What they perceive as to be anti freedom forcing people to stay home from Church and Shit you know they take that to heart and they're really really fucking hate it so a lot of these crazy fuck and televangelist people have been leaning into that shit leaning leaning leaning into that shit and it's been something to behold it's been. I mean I I make of like the ones I wanNA play on the show but there's just too many and I gotTa Pick. I gotta be fucking Selective about it so this one is actually found this from. There's A. There's a website with a twitter account. Called Right Wing. Watch which sort of compiles a lot of these. And they're like an amazing goto source. If you ever wanted just like watch if ever just want to see why you. Kinda can't be Christian anymore. I mean people like this are as bad for Christianity as the Catholic Church. Cover up in pedophilia. Shit it's like just as as as fucking disastrous for serious Christian because I know there's some of you out there I mean probably not allowed to listen to me right now. Me Right now But you know I. There is a version of obviously. I mean I hope this goes without saying there are many many. Many many mini mini mini mini mini Christians. Who if you weren't talking about religion they would appear totally sane and if it would never sort of bleed out into the world Some people are really good at compartmentalizing but there are also pedophile. Priests I firsthand. No many Catholics former Catholics. Who were just like? I can't do this anymore because of what the church tried to cover up and the whole systematic problem systemic problem of pedophilia. Why isn't that happening to Evangelical Christians when they see these fucking crazy crazy crazy Fox representing them all over the place. Jim Baker. I'm looking to you but I'm also looking at Rick. Wiles of never talked about Rick wiles before he has. I think it's called news. Which is I mean. That is a fucking hernia. That's A. K. That's going to give you a hernia dude. Got Something called True News Hernia. Okay but anyway he he's always talking some bullshit and I'm GonNa play some of this shit Some of that bullshit because it touches on something I've talked about. I think the last couple of episodes at least twice in the last three or four episodes about this Bill Gates Shit Bill Gates's litter relief trying to save the world. Do you understand me. Do you understand that Bill Gates is literally trying to save the world and my theory is is that he's fucking guilty about all the money he has not even given his kids is giving his kids like four million dollars. He has one hundred billion dollars but he's giving all his money to charity when he dies. The Dude is obviously feels terrible. That made so much money. He's just trying to give it away. So and this is something like this comes along. He's like Oh here we go. Here's take all of this. So he gets twenty billion dollars to seven different labs to try to see who can all across the world so so you can see who who can kind of come with vaccination or gets close to a vaccination. Then it's going to funnel the rest of the money back to that or or more money into those two that emerge as the best candidates to come up with a vaccine so when. I say he's trying to save the world. I don't mean like the way fucking celebrities. Talk about it you know. He's like actually trying to save the world. He Bill Gates is trying to save the world. You might not like him because he's so rich. You might be resentful because he's so rich doesn't matter what you think of them doesn't matter how you feel about him. All the matters is that it is a fact that he's essentially trying to save the world so I've gotten into conspiracy theories about him before this video that I'm about to play or this audio that I'm about to play is of Rick wiles on his. I I don't know if it's a radio show or what but It's a clip of him responding when Bill Gates did that. Ama that made every person freak the fucking fuck out because he was talking about Giving Sort OF INVISIBLE INK TATTOOS. That could be scanned. That could tell you if someone's been vaccinated. Which of course the reason he wants to do that is to let people to incentivize getting vaccinated and let people who are vaccinated got into the world and experience that have the fucking economy reopened sooner right but of course these people don't think that far they just think invisible ink tattoo. I've seen that movie. I've read that book mark of the beast. But here's the problem. That movie is Bad. And it's been made a thousand times and that book is two thousand years old. There's no such thing as the market based Rick wiles though. And here's what he had to say about Bill Gates. Just see if you can follow along caulking technical difficulties over precautious technical difficulties technical. Dick Faculties one moment. Please there we go bill. Gates's a serpent tongue gonNA come out of his mouth and win Roy Horns and tail appear on a positive at. They're gonNA stop there. I'm GonNa continue but I just want to let I know he's not listening but if you're wondering what the answer to that question is the answer is never okay. I'm going to continue as a Wacko against horrible dough. Appear this man is is is is building loose averse antichrist's system Bill Gates wants to track every human who's been vaccinated with a corona virus vaccine. Yes he wants to put a microchip in the vaccine a nano sized microchip calls it a quantum dot by the way. This guy is no fucking idea. What this shit is you know. This is the most anti-science doot to this guy's this guy's an enemy. The Human Race Enemy Almighty God of Bill Gates is turning out to be one very evil man turning out to be like you liked him before they personally. I'd like to tell Bill Gates where he can stick his syringe. I'm fed up with the stuff I would like to help. Put that syringe there. This guy's a Wacko one. They it's one thing to say you believe in vaccines and you want to help you know. Get as many papal vaccinated against horrible diseases. Okay I can buy Bill Gates his position like that only when you start talking about putting a Nanno size micro chip in it. But you're my enemy. Stick that syringe. So far up your rectum. Never get a call for what the fuck everything I got him. Okay I mean you know do I have to fuck and say anything rectum. He says also what I love about. That is that he had so much time to reconsider saying that. He'll stick it up his rectum. He started that like three other times. I got I got an idea about where to stick that needle and then again later. I I'll I'll I know where I wanna put that needle and then just like twenty seconds later. He's like I'll put sweating. Because he didn't say it he had he just had to say rectum a stick this needle. In Europe rectum rectum. Sabe dude say but so that was like two and a half weeks ago something maybe the very end of March 'cause that's when that Ama was the Ama that took the Christian community by storm the Bill Gates Ama that rocked the Christian world. Franken you know okay. So here's a new one where he's clearly had time to think about this. He's had time to reflect on what he had said two weeks prior and he's got a much more nuanced view now and I'm going to share it with you here. Bill Gates wants to get a microchip in your body. It wants a microchip in your baby's body and look everybody knows how I feel about. Communism and socialism and everything. But what the Fuck. I'm pausing again. What the fuck do these people? Just say those two words when there's a thing that makes them uncomfortable. These fuckers stepped on a nail communism. Do they know what fucking means? 'cause this has nothing to do with. Communism. This is a public health public safety thing. I am passionate about freedom. The keyword and Mr Gates and other billionaires continue to push their agenda than they are going to push people like me to call for the confiscation of their wealth the absolute most empty threat that there could ever be the most vacant warning. There could ever be Rick wiles. Dick Piles fucking pastored vials. Dick Vials Warning Bill Gates that he's GonNa confiscate his wealth. Hey pistre Dick Vials. You're not the FUCKING FBI or irs. What are you even talking about this? 'cause fucking popular to his gotTa Channel True News which is clearly aptly named anyway. I'm going to continue. I mean it guys. Continue this talk of requiring mass vaccinations immunity cards immunity passports microchips buddy. You're you're starting a fight you you wish you'd never started because the American people will rise. Fuck I forgot about his hype man. Okay so there's just it's just a shot of Rick but this now a minute or so into the video his hype man from off camera just does the most pussy. Yes he comes back later. We will strip you down to your tidy Whitey. Why is he so fucking sexual about it? They're going to stick that syringe in your rectum. Strip you down your tighty whiteys the show off your bulging cock can take those syringes that you're going to use to immunize us in buck. You're with it God laughs strip you down to your tighty whiteys. So you're showing off your the bulge you got in there and then we're gonNA turn on some music and make you slow take that underwear off slow slower as it and now gods were. Where's that Syringe? Somebody opened up his. But sorry rectum. Here we go okay. Ease up on the graphic sexual imagery. Man We're talking about Bill Gates here. We're not talking about fucking Antonio Banderas the sexiest guy there ever was. We're not talking about fucking Patrick. Swayze both guys who fucking? I'm just like we're not talking about those guys and to me. Nobody wants to think about Bill Gates. Getting a fucking syringe put in his rectum. Nobody WANTS TO THINK ABOUT BILL GATES. Getting stripped down to his party ways. If you want to which you obviously do you did it twice. You mentioned twice. You're probably not Christian. You're probably gay. Which is fine but stop being the way you are. Come out of the closet thank you. Here's more Mr Gates. You'll be naked. Oh my God will give you enough money to get out of the country. It won't be a billionaire anymore. Yes he will. They'll be a populist revolt that unites the left and the right. Nope don't try to do this stuff to us. Definitely keeps ankle bracelets. Oh then the hype man comes back ever and Kris Jenner better get ready for a confrontation with these people's shit coming after us and our families. They have an evil agenda and the do they do that. Do fucking ever at the height man ever. It's the most bitch. Us Name for hype man but this is the thing that goes back to what I always fucking think about not talked about on the show before these motherfuckers talk this as it and the framing it as like a defense of something. These people want blood in the streets. These people want to strip bill gates down to his underwear. These people want to stick. Syringes in the rectum of Bill Gates. This is not defense offense. This is throwing people red meat. This is what they want. This is not some fucking misunderstanding. This is purposeful a purposeful. Misreading of reality purposeful misreading of reality purposeful bending of the narrative so it lines up with the narrative of their favorite book. And I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HARRY. Fucking be an uprising. If they tried to do it there will be blood in the streets. If Bill Gates pushes this agenda it will not go down not to and they need to know it and I am not intimidated about saying it. This is life and death. There's a point where I will not allow them to push anymore and being vaccinated with one of Bill Gauges secret vaccines secreted. That is containing of nanoparticle. Microchips doesn't know what it ain't GonNa Happen. Mr Gates it's not going to happen right right. American people we will rise up and we will march on your mansion in Seattle. We will sink your yacht that Ju just bought is not GonNa Happen Mr Gates. You need to get a life retire. Leave US alone okay. I'm done the literally done more things than everyone else in the world combined and and he needs to get a life according to fucking pistre Dick Lyles and there you have just fucking is probably nice to have your just head so far up your fucking ass by feels good in your ass but it probably the ignorance involved. A sorry not asked rectum. Anyway I wanNA take a break and We're going to take some your questions after the break and celebrate fuck in the K. Congregation. Don't go anywhere Matt. Delia is confused. Will return right after the break. If you have not heard about anchor it is the easiest way to make a podcast. I use anchor to make this very podcast. First of all it's free so there's that everybody wants free. There's also inside the APP. There's tools to edit the podcast from your phone or your computer or anywhere is the most user friendly thing possible anchor will distribute it for you. Spot apple podcast. You can make money from it. Check it out. 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I love the music even though the lyrics are all the fucking same and every single song. Thank God I am free washing the blood of Jesus fucking Amen? I WANNA love that. Shit so much I really do. I really I could. I could watch churches. Church music being performed all fucking day and it's Sunday so I'm going to do that after I stop on a fucking get back into it. I'm I'm on spring a church. I'm fucking Bob Larson Bob. Larsen was my second ever guest indefinitely that episode episode two of this podcast is is possibly my favorite episode. Still because anyone who's already heard the episode you know that I love him even though as I told him up front. I don't think any of the things he thinks. In fact I deeply disagree with all of the things that he thinks but I'm just as deeply fascinated and and really deeply confused and that's why I wanted him as one of the first guests But I'm on his mailing list and again these people they fucking love it. They love the disaster. They love when there are disasters they can say Satan did it and then scared people who already believed the shit can be like. Yeah Yeah Yeah Satan did it. How much money do you want again for the fucking livestream event that you are creating every day you know? I mean I get way more emails unusual. I almost unsubscribe do that. It's fucking greatest. Mailing list ever invented so but every fucking single one is like the head of the header is like the subject is did the did. Satan Create Covert Nineteen. Click on like find out tonight and pay. Us This amount. You know so this weird cities mix of like it's made to line up with what these people already think and then people like Bob Lars capitalize probably without even realizing they're doing it the capitalize on the fear that people feel fear of Satan and the Congress can't get enough and those in positions of authority although I don't know if I'd call Bob Larson's position authoritative but people listen to them and I'm sure fucking get more website traffic Because of what's going on he's leaning into that these motherfuckers. Lean into it. The winning liaison City fence secure Allah alone. I'm singer What else we got L. Before I get in your fucking questions. There's something fucking half the talk about some idiot. Let me look it up because I want. When someone's this dumb. I want to say their name. Here we go Stephen Moore. Stephen Moore is a trump ally and a member of Trump's council to reopen America. Which is you're about to see why this is a bad omen. He's helping to plan a drive into protest. Wisconsin stay at home orders. So there's a bunch of bullshit that he said but what I want to focus on and unfortunately this isn't the first time I heard this. I heard someone else say this to hit this guy's pretty prominent so for the state is particularly fucking demented but He says this is a quote we need to be the Rosa Parks here and protest against these government. Injustices do no Do you Stephen Moore no Rosa Parks. Do you know anything. Actually I was GONNA ask a litany of questions but I can just stop there. I'm going to ask those two questions. Do you know who Rosa Parks is? Because your statement makes me think you don't and the second one is more all encompassing and it is. Do you know anything. 'cause if you know anything you should know that it's a bad idea. I mean really. Honestly if you're a white guy it's a bad idea to invoke your similarity on any issue or any reason to Rosa parks one of the most iconic beloved heroic figures in the history of really of America a hero of the Civil Rights Movement. A fucking beacon of light for all of US said fucking no to being forced to sit on. The back of the bus ICONOCLASM is deserved. Stephen Moore whatever fuck his name as I said at once that's enough I don't want to do it again. Wipes his ass with their legacy by saying we need to be the Rosa Parks of this moment to fight government injustice. Dude shut the fuck up. I don't WanNa do anymore about him. I just needed to to say that I don't want to go in some rant. I don't WanNa fuck in pick pick it apart and go go through the history. I just just really want to say to him and to anyone who might do the same thing say the same kind of Dumb Shit. Shut the fuck up okay. Open twitter now on. Open the Cesspool of our time and to some of your questions because I let you guys know fucking recording Sunday service tonight to post tomorrow and You guys wrote me some questions and I'm open-minded and Scrolling through my mentions hard to sift through a lot of your fucking crazy Mccray we've tried to find a covert one and I'll start with that in some other shit. This is good. I know I know you are a mets fan. How do you feel about the reaction? A good portion of this country is having from a lack of sporting events things like ESPN broadcasting a game of horse or other Games from the past. I mean what I think about the latter part. The second part of the question is that it yes. Pin's trying to stay afloat just like every other entity out there from small businesses to independent contractors to major corporations. They're trying to keep people watching in their case. In their case they need people to keep their fucking channel on without live sports or sports center. Fucking baseball tonight fucking. Nfl Game Day. Whatever the fuck shit is called for other sports. I mean they need content. You know so. Yeah they're gonNA air some old shit to try to get you to watch. I saw some. I don't think it was ESPN. But I'm a mets fan and S and why it's sports station for New York. Mets and jets or mets and giants. Maybe I don't fucking now. I only watch the anyway. They were the announcers. The mets announcers Gary Cohen Keith Hernandez and Ron Darling were announcing a fucking video game simulation. So that's how desperate everyone is for sports content and I'm not like I like sports I grew up playing baseball. My Dad's a mets fan. He raised me that way So it's not my fault his fault but still. I don't really follow most sports anymore anyway but I still do follow baseball. I Love Baseball and to have I mean. Honestly believe when there's GonNa be no season And I do think that's weird and I do think that that is it's even if you don't like sports. I think it's a really strange symbolic thing. Just the idea that there is no baseball during the summer. None I mean even when there was a strike we still had the replacement players which was so fucking weird. Ninety-three there was this strike. Major League Baseball Strike. The players went on strike and they had these replacement players who came into play games instead of the real players. Now Anyway. It's just fucking so weird. Yeah I I. It's very weird and so many people are losing money because of it. Not Saying we should open this fucking stadiums. I'm just saying fuck how about people protesting the quarantine. I guess they that because they're bored at home. This virus will just leave them alone now. I think they're honest victims of the politicization of this. I think that they're generally dumb people. But that's not a knock on them. Everybody's generally done rather generally everyone has done. Obviously there are exceptions but the grass Tyson. Just kind of a cocktail generally. Yeah people are dumb as fuck so as easy for people to sort of be swayed by the people they listen to and a lot of the should a lot of these people listening to fucking pissed. Dick Vials for instance. A lot of people the microphone in front of their face are vile motherfuckers. And it's and it's so I mean anybody who's involved. It's their fault. Obviously but I mean they're stuck in some fucking echo chamber. That makes them believe that. That's a good idea. What do I think of them? I think they're fucking idiots. I still have empathy for them though so hard time for everybody. You know thoughts on Texas reopening retail stores. Next week I mean. Texas is really charging to be the first state to fully reopen and look again having an opinion about it is not what I'm interested in it. I don't I don't actually don't have an opinion about it. I just what I read. Makes me think that that's a really bad idea if they open up and an outbreak doesn't happen there. I'll be fucking thrilled because less people will have it. That doesn't mean anything. All that means is that it didn't turn into a disaster but I mean we'll fucking see talk to Enough about that Kinda Shit though. Here's one that's not covert related. What are your favorite. Instagram feeds mine is catatonic youths. Actually it's fucking amazing account I follow that account. And it's great vic. Burger is one of my favorite counts. Obviously my brothers There's this account called actors upset which is a little bit lesser known but shouldn't be because it's all a recently changed it used to be just pictures of faces of of upset actors in movies but now it's videos it's like all videos now and it's just in isolation actors freaking the fuck out out of context which is very much something. I WANNA see. So that's one of my favorite accounts. What else we got. And he's fucking dog account. I don't fuck I will watch any dog video. Love dogs love dog videos. Love looking at him love knowing can look at them. You know. It's not just look at them. It's knowing that they're there to important Me I don't WanNa do that in March before bigly honest perfectly honest. This was a fucking cool episode. Oh I like these church episodes man. I think it's probably because I get to I probably get to Because I get to listen to church music which is always good for me. I'm by now. I'm sure I'm just sure a lot of you think it's something like ironic or fake thing like that like when I play the music. I'm like actually making fun of the music. I don't I don't know if you'll believe me because it's I actually understand that it's probably hard to believe because of how how all of you know. I feel about Christianity but it is not ironic and I love that music. I listened to it. I listened to it on my own for no one but me I feel fucking good about it and I feel good when I listened to. It makes me feel good. So don't fucking come out with that Shit. I like Dudley Smith. I like William Goodwin. I like Guy Penrod Lester. Rector as we all know pitcher Dick Vials. Probably make a Freudian slip and call him lester rectum but his name's lester rector and he's a fuck and sick. Gospel Singer W. Smith might be the best before I go comforter. You know you have twins spirit come with that but Nah only people who the move. Oh well everybody is been another delightful inciteful beautiful Sunday service with a K. congregation congregation. Kate and I thank you all for coming to church today Sunday service. It means a lot to me. I love you all. Please stay safe out there. Stay healthy and stay home stay safe. Stay healthy and down and I'll talk to you on Wednesday.
07/29: Colorado Springs podcast! On USA Basketball, recruiting's latest and Kentucky's key weekend commitment
"Hello I on college basketball listeners. We're going to get to the podcast from Colorado Springs and just a minute but first training camps are here. Yes football is back and guess what the pick six N._F._l.. PODCAST will be with you all preseason just like they've been in your podcasts inbox every day. Throughout the entire aussies join host will brinson our buddy daily to catch up from the latest around the league with an added fantasy and gambling twists Brinson. You're one of a kind make sure you're ready for the twenty nine hundred n._f._l.. Season in download and subscribe drive to our buddy on the pick six podcast anywhere they are found it air. It's scary pairs at Sunday July twenty eight two thousand nineteen welcome back to the C._B._S.. Sports I own college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss Campbell finding leaky Black Matt norlander is here with me with both in Colorado Springs Colorado because this is where U._S._A.. Basketball Law held its junior national team mini camp this week just concluded a few hours ago we were here each of the past two days. Watching some of the nation's top prospects alongside dozens of college basketball coaches among them national champions sounds like Mike Should Roy Williams John Calipari Tom Izzo and the most recent national champion Tony Bennett this event represents the end of the much-debated new recruiting counters so that's something we'll definitely get into but first things first first few days here in Colorado Springs Right in Orlando it. Has You know what this is a solid event our first time in this wonderful city up what seven thousand feet high elevation something like that but it's been it's been good. I've I've been enjoying it. What about yourself yeah? We never been here because because of the recruiting calendar frankly up until this year we would always spin this week in Las Vegas shut to cosmopolitan of course miss you dearly Haka San shots the bottle service miss you dearly hard to get bottle service. In Colorado Springs find a spot couldn't have fire could not find a spot with bottle service in Colorado Springs so that's one difference between this place in Las Vegas but normally we'd be in Las Vegas as you know if you listen to this podcast at all the the recruiting calendar got changed so coaches were not allowed to evaluate in Las Vegas therefore we decided not to go even though but lots of players are still there. The James was there brawny James was there lots of coaches aren't there. The coaches are are largely here so we are here and I do think it's been a <hes> a really good experience. I don't think it's the greatest place to evaluate prospects frankly right but because we really didn't see competitive games until Sunday night but if you are trying to get access to prospects and access to college coaches this is maybe the best place to do. It felt like the best place to do it. Yeah now. Only two coaches per school are allowed to attend <hes> that's a U._S._A.. Basketball will not ended up a rule. They say it might be for space as much as anything which I kind of by but I don't think we have plenty of there was plenty of space there. There are two different separate gyms at the U._S.. Olympic and Paralympic Training Center cozy confines. I don't think they'd ever had this many players for this event either about eighty guys some of the top and prospects in twenty twenty didn't show we'll get into some of that stuff in the podcast just in terms of that trend with some of the top guys in specifically rising seniors but a lot of really good twenty one twenty two and even wanting lags junior to on Wagner Junior's son who is twenty twenty three prospect. He was here as well so it was it was it's a solid event. It definitely is now this happening this year on this weekend at the same time as the instable a college basketball academy which will also because I was in stores in Connecticut before coming here they ran concurrently that won't happen again because they they want to see the academy's. WanNa try their best to get a lot of the guys that would be here. There remains to be seen intellectual level. Yeah I know we'll remains to be seen if they can actually pull that off but this this event I will say U._S._A.. Basketball does a really good job with it. The coaches coaches. It's not a coach said you can do that little bit evaluating something ideal setting obviously there's no better ideal setting than tournament basketball when you're when you're playing in that bracket format like the and under armor and the Gauntlet with Adidas and all that stuff but but you are having elite prospects playing against each other. You got some some good Games here tonight and <hes> this just you know it's it's here to cultivate U._S._A.. Basketball and kind of get them into the pipeline here. There are guy frankly there are fourteen and fifteen year olds now no one really knows about but three or four years from now whether they can go right into the league or not or go into college basketball they will eventually become pretty big name so we got good looks on them in addition to getting some interesting information conversation with a lot of coaches and the U._S._A.. Basketball people could not be more helpful. They were super helpful. They made everybody assessable and I'm not trying to compare one event to another but it felt very different from say peach jam which is super crowded super like structured. They're watching where you sit. They watching who you're talking to. They want to know when you're talking to. Somebody what you're talking about here. It was like hey I want. I'd like to speak with Jalen Johnson that young man who just committed to Duke earlier this month sure we'll get him for you. They'll go get I'm walking over to you. Introduce him to you and so the the U._S._A.. Basketball staff for our purposes super helpful and there's no crowds here like dance not open to the public open to the public right so it's really just me norrland other media members players family members of players in college coaches. That's the only people end and N._B._A.. Scouts Cannata N._B._A.. Scouts for here as well so there were I probably I kinda. Maybe about fifteen sixteen M._B._A.. Scouts that decided to swoop in there but got no definitely a this is a beneficial thing. There's no doubt about it. The interesting thing G._p.. is where they decided to move it or if they don't move it the by by the move it you don't move from Colorado Springs you moving in the calendar correct moved the calendar. Will it stay this spot. If so on the calendar will the College Basketball Academy move elsewhere but Dan Gavin the player working in concert with U._S._A.. Basketball to to get all that so this this was a Oh oh interesting year for recruiting on the calendar is also one time thing in terms of how things kind of smashed up against each other unintentional yeah so our review of our first time at U._S._A.. Basketball would be positive and I imagine we'll be back here. As long as it makes sense from a calendar perspective Uh let's move on to big issues so we talked at length about the new recruiting calendar on the previous podcast even though our Buddy Jeff Goodman suggested we should wait until the final evaluation period it was over before we drew any definitive conclusions well now. It's over. It's done it tonight and what I wrote and said a few weeks back is that if you call the old recruiting counter package and you call the new recruiting calendar package could be that the majority overwhelming majority of college coaches would prefer package a the previous recruiting calendar because it was a better package and I also predicted at that time at the new insight Aa run regional camps would not be well received because I thought they'd largely be without top tier talent. I know some argued that I was premature. In my criticism I I know Frank Martin South Carolina coach after you thought that I was sub tweet like crazy busy sub tweets but he was he was definitely some tweet like crazy shops the Frank Martin shop definite Shasta Spring One and so listen. I felt like I didn't have enough information to to have a pretty good grasp on the the idea that this recruiting calendar as reshaped by the N._C.. Double A. was not an improvement on the system but some people said let's wait okay. It's over with now so you tell me. Norlander is the new recruiting calendar the one we sleep in the one coaches and the one prospects just live simple question yeah. Is it better or worse than the old recruiting counter. That's worse. It's worse it is worse. It's not going to change. It's worse now as we discussed this <music>. Some listeners are like what I'm a fan of Kansas. I'm a fan of do come a fan of Western Kentucky. Whatever you know how does this? Why do I even care? I'll tell you why you should if you're if you're the kind of person listen to a college basketball podcast on July I twenty ninth. You're obviously fairly invested in the sport and the way the recruiting calendar is built. Not only are the players that are getting recruited the future of college basketball but there's I think real concern not just you know how phony consternation among the coaches that the new schedule from April and then in July and a little bit of June as well is going to only worsen the transfer issues that are within the sport because you don't have as many evaluation days the evaluation days that you have not just from here from the College Basketball Academies. I'll get to that and just a minute. They aren't as effective and so unnatural byproduct. A consequence of all of this is you're not going to be able to to get enough is is on these guys. You'RE GONNA have missed vowels for better or worse. In terms of whether the players playing up or should be playing further down either way that will that will lead to an I expect and many coaches expect it will lead to a higher rate of transfer in college basketball which sometimes I think that issue gets blown to out of portion but you you can't deny that if you've got right now it's six fifty seven hundred and if you if you encroach upon nine hundred guys that are not leaving the sport but just simply swapping. I'm from one team to another. It's not beneficial so I think that's the biggest reason why if you're if you're fan and you're dealing with this on the front lines that there should be some real concern with that. I don't think you can fight that. I think that we think we're going to get to twenty twenty two twenty twenty three and we will look and there will be more kids which in schools not for no reason but just it's. It's an unavoidable problem. I think recall choose the other reason I think that fans do care or should care is because forget how the recruiting calendar breath it doesn't affect your day-today life I get it right but but what it does is it it it affects your favorite coaches day-today life. It affects their ability to recruit like you said it affects the number of prospects they see how how often they see them how well they're able to evaluate them and on a picker scale what I think it is quite clearly at least to me at this point. It is another example of the incident belay first off not identifying a problem but having put right on their front step in this case by the F._B._i.. And then acknowledging the problem okay we've got a problem and said okay now. We gotta fix this problem then and they go to fix the problem and they don't fix the problem they think things worse and I don't care what their intention was. They didn't accomplish anything that would change anything that had to do with the case and they didn't even accomplish the things they set out to accomplish one of the main reasons they wanted to minimize the July evaluation periods basically take three five day periods and make it one as it relates to grassroots basketball right slash A._A._U.. Basketball was they wanted to take some of the power back from the shoe companies power back from the grassroots coaches. Ask anybody in basketball the tae they didn't do that at all evidence being most of the top kids in the country in fact almost all of the top kids in the country they skip the league sponsored camps. The idea was will take the power back from these grassroots coaches will we won't allow them to have in evaluation period last week. July college coaches won't go to their events. Maybe the event will keep going or not hopefully nine but he the way we won't let the college coaches go to college. Coaches will be allowed to go to these incident Blake Cams and so then the kids will go to the camp because they want to be seeing nope. Grassroots coaches kept those kids they shut them down or they still Vegas Vegas. It'll happen right now. They're playing in Las Vegas even though college coaches couldn't be in there and what the incident didn't properly recognize. Is that a <hes> these grassroots coaches felt like you undercut them like you tried to blame them for everything like this is the problem. Let's get rid of these guys well. They just double middle fingers you and so they were going to play along with you and then secondly what they fell to realize I think is that these these tournaments that are going on in Vegas the big moneymakers so business these you got men making lots of and women making lots of money out there. These tournaments were just going to disappear and I heard multiple people involved explained that the reason these prospects should go to these incidentally run camps that they just got through skipping is because they're well run which our acknowledge I'll say out even though I've heard some say they weren't. I'll speak to that in a minute but it's fine yeah. Let's is just for the sake of the conversation. Okay there well run their well-funded getting good instruction. I can see those points even though I don't know their true one hundred percent across the board whatever they go. Hey they're free you can go to these camps for free. Well guess what all the top kids in the country who go to Vegas or Peach G._M.. Or anywhere else with the grassroots team you know what they're paying. Nothing they go for free so they're not picking between going to vegas coming out of your own pocket or go into the incident Blake camp for free. They're picking going and living in an dorm on a college campus and doing drill work with a bunch of people they don't know for free or going to Las Vegas with their friends and playing in a tournament that they I want to win for. What would you pick? It doesn't matter what you would pick. What are the players in the country picking Las Vegas or shut down and I don't know how the plane's going to resolve that they keep saying we'll we'll? We're GONNA try to fix it by next year but unless you cut these grassroots coaches is back in and make them feel like they're part of it. Make them feel like they're partners. They could keep control these kids and you ain't get them to these camps right all right so let's talk on the camps and the problems that are addressing the answer blake because I have a piece C._B._S.. Sports Dot Com after went to you so I go I go to uconn on there is a there is a certain deficiency with these the uniforms or way generic you don't have top and guys is describing the piece I walk into gamble and like it's a great venue to hold an event like this but there's almost no one in there like you can hear the echoes or seventeen coaches even scouting this thing the intentions actions are strong and now I only went on the day where they were just playing games. I didn't see any of the drill work. I can't speak to any of that because I was not there for one of those. When I was at Uconn I spoke with about ten? Maybe twelve coaches <hes> casually couple on the record. Few just you know not for attribution which I don't know why don't need to be you can criticize this on the record. Don't be afraid to do but whatever but the whole thing was surprised was none of those coaches even with even with the cover of having an anonymity G._p.. None of them were like this is a waste. I can't believe they're still doing this. Are I came but they under no circumstances. Should the ended up putting eight nine million into this again next sure it was more like I'm just tired of complaining like it's just not gonna get us anywhere so I'm going to try and make the most as an by the way like there were D.. Two D three kind of players there but a number of mid major coaches said now there are actually guys here. Nelson former Marquette assistant just got the Holy Cross job I see him. He says if I was at Marquette maybe there's two guys here. Maybe for me now. I actually need something like this. He's got a specific situation but there's like ten guys here so I thought okay. That's that was a little surprising because I wasn't hunting for a negative quote but I really wasn't getting a lot there but I came away from the event thinking all right. There's something here I spoke with Brady O'CONNELL. WHO's the younger brother of Alex O'CONNELL Duke? He's he's not Duke Level Player. He's getting recruited by Mercer and Samford and firm and those kind of level schools but he said without a doubt. This was worth it for me. I wanted to play somewhere. I didn't have another option. He's a good he's a kid who's good enough to plan the shoe circuit he played with under armor and. Nike Georgia Stars and some under armour team this year didn't have an opportunity to planning where else this for him he said without a doubt like this was beneficial for me so I'll give the credit from from a mid major players perspective like they're they are getting something something from this because a lot of major level players that might be playing in Vegas. They aren't going for free. Their family's gotta pay for the meals to travel is something out of their pocket whereas with this it's not so it's a benefit there but the bigger picture is this and I wrote this in the story. If the double A. wants wants to have these academies actually have any sort of meaning cachet and become legitimate because I would not say this first year although official antidote list of no-one viewed it as legitimate you need for as much as it helps majors and it should like you should have a vehicle for that because there are more of those schools than the ones that matter right so you need you need to feel those rosters but you need fifty sixty seventy of the one hundred rising seniors to attend these things because when you do that you'll get all all the biggest coaches you will get the most media attention you will make the event worthwhile and and something that kids should want to attend but I don't think they're going to get there because as you just said here's the problem when the Commission on College basketball is formed and Condoleeza Rice Mark Cameron. All these people labeled grassroots culture to be something that was at least partially responsible for why we got here. Let's be honest some of the stuff that went down in the F._B._i.. Investigation it happened in Las Vegas during grassroots without without a doubt and they decided grassroots Evil Las Vegas is evil. We gotta get rid of grassroots in Las Vegas yes and before I continue my thought here I will say this had multiple coaches tell me vegas was always out of hand but they felt put that it got particular hand in the past three or four years but just as many coaches this week and before saying if you WanNa do that stuff here in Colorado Springs can easily happen. That's the and and don't cheat when they're in Las Vegas anymore than they cheat right that might be where they got the deal done and it sounds like Ooh they were in Las Vegas but like whatever deal can get like whatever sort of agreement can get done between this person this person to get Brian Bow go to Louisville that deal can get done in Atlanta hotel room. He can get done in Colorado Springs Hotel Room. You can get done anymore so can't so take that into consideration without a doubt but the problem is a lot of a lot of the men and women that are in charge of these grassroots teams are good people with good intentions who have been doing in a long time have a lot of connections and the AA pissed them off alienated them and now you're stuck in a situation where there is there is no there's no net win for them to bring their best players to go to events like that. They're really you are not giving you already in insulted. Them took away a lot of their opportunities to be around the college coaches and even make even more money right around they charge packets for those events and all that stuff even the side stuff right so now what the instantly is going to have to do is it's going to have to bring the shoe companies back in if it if it wants to make the academy's more than what if it doesn't G._P.. Than happy heavy instable a run camps that feature almost no top one hundred players if they're fine with what they then they can keep doing but unless they change and by change I mean bring the grassroots the people who have their fingers in the players yes unless they bring those people back in. They're not getting those players phrasing but yes you had one top one hundred prospect there are no affair Khan and that was it and I think Houston might have had a couple champagne might have had one or two. There just weren't a lot of guys that were that. We're going to be doing this so you're gonNA need to get an even if even if you there's no union of these of these organizers you're not going to be able to go have a board meeting. They all run their own independent little armies if you will so even if you can over the next ten months make an effort and convince ten of them to do it there are still another eighty programs of consequence with players that are still going to be saying not going to happen. It is a massive hill to climb for the instability and again if they wanted to be what it is that's fine but if it's like the attendance from the coaching side will not be an uptick you had coaches from bigger conference top forty level coaches going because they said they felt an obligation to go in year one not a lot of opportunities. I think that might dip even more so when you too so I don't. I don't totally pan what they're doing. There's a lot of good intentions. There are good things about it but if you wanted to be something that is truly Ben Official for all levels of college basketball including the most important one which is top fifty programs then there's a long way to go and you have to back in the shoe companies this basically up here. It basically gets back to the issue of cutting out. These people to begin with was the wrong move. It was not the right tactic and if you'RE GONNA if we're going to go back that way eventually like you're gonNA eventually had the academy's even if it's got the skills work and all that and that's fine like do whatever we had one coach paint hilarious picture with like there were ten aspects like doing dribble drills with only five balls flinging balls eh I won't give the coach but the but the image this coach painted was absolutely hilarious and kind of spoke to how it's well intention but a little little disheveled at times. I got a ton of work to do and I don't know if they're going to get there is what I would say one. I accept your I don't know summary that hey this is does do some good for mid major prospects and mid baiter coaches because those camps were filled with mid major and low major players players like John had no use these camps and neither did Mike Ski or bill sell for Shawn Miller but you know major coaches maybe low major coaches useful that wasn't the intent really is never done anything to try to help no major major coaches all right so that is something that is something that happened because they missed the mark so wildly in fact that is evidence of how wildly they missed the mark. The only thing you can say about these camps is that they give proper they give more exposure to mid major players who would be maybe auxiliary gyms in Las Vegas there at these intimate sponsor camps for free yes when the best thing you can say is it helped mid major kids and made Mexico to it means. It didn't do what you wanted to did that. That's undeniable to me. <hes> the I guess we'll go back to fragmin because he's been the most vocal defendant of these cans because he was largely involved with the decision Asia making process you know he tweeted earlier in the week as I think it was Jeff Goodman again tweet Lee Jeff getting from coaches or at these things and they were just killing it right and frank tweeted back jeff like you could tell these coaches who are texting you if they don't want to go they don't have to it's not required and we had lunch with a high major coach today and he's he referenced that tweet from Frank and he said like it's such a weird thing like well. If you don't WanNa go don't go. Nobody makes me he's like I do you WanNa go. I WANNA work. I want to evaluate players. It's my job but you give us Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday of this week and the I couldn't there was nothing for me to do on Wednesday Wednesday. I couldn't go wins the starting. They actually started Monday Monday to Sunday okay okay. Let's say you give me my you say okay. You can go out Monday. Where am I going? There's no players for me so this coach who has been an assistant coach for ten years now he said that earlier this week was literally the first time in his entire career since he's been allowed to be on the road which is a decade literally the first time he's ever on a a day where he's allowed to be on the road to evaluate prospects for he stayed home because he was like there was nowhere for me to go. There were no players at these camps for me and so when when the the message from the top is hey I hear all you bitching in about it. If you don't want to go just don't go there like no. WE DO WANNA go but if you don't have if you haven't set this thing up to where there's players there. There's no reason <hes> for us to go so then you get these high major coaches. They're all cramming in whichever wins a recruiting crude anybody who's at this U._S._A.. Basketball minicamp that we're at they are they all come here and they're happy to be here because there is a nice collection of talent unlike the camps but you and I were here too uh-huh and like it was like let's do ninety minutes in the morning and then we had a four hour break in the middle of the day and it was like what you were all about by the way you'll never here you are all there is no foothill for G._p.. Usually usually you have to think of you have to make up reasons not to be at the gym the next morning in Las Vegas here. It was like there's not starting to like. I got here on Friday night Friday night and so I'm looking at the schedule as I'm flying in hold of is studying start till thirty in the morning and it breaks twelve thirty I was like this and then we don't have to be back till four thirty and then it's over at six thirty in total hours a day. You're in the gym so for me. I can't wait to come back but for the coaches they if you're a high major coach this five day evaluation period used to have at the end of July where you're watching the best players in the country compete with their teams in the friends and all that stuff now. It's convinced today's really for you the U._S._A. Basketball days and those days where it used to be from early in the morning until late at night. It's you get four hours of like skill work in the morning two hours of skill work in the morning then two hours of scrimmages at night and that's it and they were like listen. This is good. I guess because players here but we're barely seeing them do anything that's useful to. We're not really evaluating at this point and I thought it was a hilarious picture. We walked into a hotel today and it's just the contrast between the old recruiting counter like this summer perfect perfectly. If I were going to write about it again I would start with this so I'll just tell it we walk in. It's the middle of the day of the final evaluation period of the year the final day of the year coaches these are not allowed to evaluate prospects any day going forward between now and the national signing period November this exact day for the past forty years there either in a gym or they're driving to Jim Right every every coach in America. Essentially you're in a gym. You're getting your eyes until every minute of the day until you can't anymore so we walk into a hotel and there's a high major coach in his one of his assistance and they're sitting in the lobby brooks watching eighteen the W._d._C. Fedex ain't shoot invitational on TV on C._B._S.. lounging network stars America's most watch network. I mean they're they're sitting like imagine like just two people sitting in a lobby like hand on. Hey you know fist on their head against elbow up watching golf last evaluation these guys giving away too much here. They just got this job this off season. There's somebody who changed jobs off season so they need need when you changed jobs. These evaluation days are fairly like the the first summer this is extremely critical and so it's just bad timing for every coach that got a job this past year to be in this about these so they're sitting there watching golf and so we sit down with them and you WanNa know why there's nothing else like we it's. It's noon and we don't have to be back in the gym until four thirty so there's nothing else to do. There's nobody to go watch. There's No side jammed. Maybe just go see if there's something interesting in their college coaches on the final evaluation day of of of the year or watching gone instead of balancing from Jim Jim watching dozens. If not hundreds of prospects they were watching golf because the recruiting counter put them in a situation where there was literally nothing else to do today and that is just another example. They got it wrong and I know we've said it two weeks ago but listen I it's okay to admit mistakes but but you need to mit the mistake and then try to fix it because you took a thing that was flawed undeniably but you made it worse and when you set up the fixes system fix the thing and you actually make it worse that means that you messed up now. I'll tell you what I would do if I were them by and I'll preface it with. They're not going to do this but if the goal was to get it back to something certainly better than this and arguably even better than different but not as much of a downgrade and I would say maybe an upgrade would be this so i. I said this is a different. This is what you would do for the recruiting calendar. This is what I would I do. I don't think they'll do it but what I would do because I can acknowledge and this was the frustrating part when you hear people who tried to counter argue my column they'd go well. You know coaches really liked the high school stuff in June. I can acknowledge their some stuff about the new calendar that coaches liked. I talked to these guys. There's thing here that they like an thing there that they liked in the high school stuff was one of those things but again if last if the previous recruiting counter is a package you set this on the table table The new recruiting calendars on a package sit right beside you pick whichever when you want take the pack is not just the little things like take the package they would all take the previous when almost every single literally every person I talked to would take the previous package so that means you took the packaging made it worse. Here's what I would. I would keep I I have April valuation grassroots stuff and whatever else so we'd have that in some form I would keep one of the high school weekends and hope that the other high school federations. It's got involved because only eighteen states held events this right but just a real quick thing on that yes but I've also heard coaches say only eighteen but if it's fifty it's a disaster. You'll never be fifty because like I'll ask nobody's GonNa win but too many gives you too many options so they almost hope it like levels out of twenty five and becomes regionalized teams low. It is low. They like it. They almost like this is good. I don't want it to get too much better because if you take away the point yeah and I would I would keep so right now. There's too high school sessions in June I would keep one of them and I would move the instability run camps to June. I would replace one of the high school sessions with these insurmountable ever run cams put them in June. Camps are better in June anyway. The better early than late side put it there and then I go to the grassroots coaches anybody I considered to be the power our figures and I would actually I mean this would take again. They will not do this. I'd Flam the loss. I'd finally Indianapolis. I'd say hey let's sit down and let's talk. You guys know your business probably better than we do. We know some of you are not good people but we know lots of you are and that's how you lead with this is not this is not how you may know what I mean. I would actually say it to him that not everybody in the rooms great but like not lose bad either and we realize is how we might have made. It seem like we undercut you because grassroots coaches grassroots basketball is bad you help us get your players to our incidentally camps in June. We will give you another evaluation period in July. You've already got the G._M.. That that week and Adidas does thing number does its thing we took everything away from it. You step three weeks in July. We cut you down to one will push back up to two and is we'll push back up to as long as you help us. Get your players to our incidentally camps in June and then you have another live evaluation period in like this week right and if it's in Las Vegas I acknowledge how is Las Vegas as wild it can get wild but the Brian Bow and deal didn't happen because coach has happened to be in Las Vegas that weekend it just happened anywhere and so you you gotTa. You're going to have to deal with these people. They'RE NOT GONNA lose control the players players because they've got the players from when they were fourteen years old. They got the players before you even know who the players are so you gotta do a deal with them. Tell them we'll give you another evaluation period in July if you help us. Ah Get players to camps in June and then you've got a highschool you've got you've got grassroots stuff in April. You've got high school stuff in April end-june. You get into camps in June then you get a top up one hundred N._B._A.. The N._B._A. Camp whenever that is going to be and then U._S._A.. Basketball whenever that's going to be and then you got I you know I live weekend. I live we can in July and then you've got last week. We can enjoy that that is a much much better package now. I don't think they want to go back to love Vegas and I don't think they want to deal with the grassroots people but if if you're if you stop short what I just described. I don't think you're going to be able to get players to go to these camps because the people who control the players are going to feel like you undercut them. They're not helping you yeah. I this was the first summer lot of dispirited coaches. Some coaches are just like they're just like. I'M GONNA make the most of that you know. This is what it's going to be for the next seven years. They might make tweaks. Don't know what we'll do but so you know I I like what you're proposing there. They won't do it. The way will have have these campus minimum five years. If you told me existed in twenty years I'd absolutely believe it but it's not cheap by the way they're paying a lot of people I think they'll try and get even more prominent people in year number two again to what successes I don't know perish but like campuses campuses are already in the nomination process it won't be it was at Grand Canyon Houston University of Illinois and Yukon this year. It'll be a different spots next year. They WANNA move this thing around where it gets put on the calendar. I don't know I was underwhelmed by what I saw and I was still Yukon wasn't the best it wasn't the worst from people that had went to multiple ones but I don't know but that's the other thing and then we'll move on but by limiting grassroots basketball or minimizing rising it they minimized on competition they minimize competition. They replaced it with camps in the lines. Places Instability Camps U._S._A.. Basketball is basically a camp so a skill work and there's a place for all that but it's not the best place for evaluation evaluation which is what this is supposed to be about evaluation days. <hes> I talked to a coach the other night and he said the great thing about grassroots. They're all problems graduates. Nobody tries to pretend otherwise but but the great thing about it is especially with Nike but also a deed isn't a norm but especially with Nike they created this thing in the web circuit the kids care about they wanna win and the coaches WanNa win and the coaches are with these players they. I know them better than we do. The players know each other better than we do so there's a certain hierarchy to the thing like like if if this player is the starting point guard for this good team. We're GONNA assume he's the best point guard on that team and like if this guy gets the most shots just like if you look around college basketball go okay. This is the best team and this is the leading score on that team that guy's probably pretty special same thing at this level. If there's a team that's beating everybody's brains in and they're leading score is scoring fiber four points per game than anybody else. There's a chance that's one of the best players in the country like a lot of the evaluation is done before we even have to get into building the it's done by the grassroots coaches who are evaluating the players they figure out who plays they figure out who gets the shots they figure out who gets the minutes all that stuff then you've got kids almost across the board high level kids maybe not all Kentucky Duke Level Kids but all division one kids for the most part and they're competing against each other and they care like they. They think it's the final four yeah it's so what board could we want the best collection of players all in one event competing against each other for something that they care about that's awesome when you start dividing it up in the camps even when they start scrimmaging in the camps and competing the players don't know each other coaches don't know the players. They don't know who they might not know. WHO's the best equipped to do what it is? They're trying to do and then there's no passing because everybody's trying to get the shot off then the big start to realize God. I'm never touching a ball so big. It's the rebound was a big do not throwing. I'm not giving a ball because I'll never get back so now you got bigs bringing a ball up to court and what are we doing as coach now. I'm evaluating a a sixteen powerful award bringing the ball up because he knows if he doesn't he's getting it back. So what good does that do amazing basketball. That's what it is and it's just another. It's just another thing where what they took away wasn't actually the first thing in the world and what they replaced it with probably wasn't as good as what they took away and it it leads to a lot of complaining. We've heard a lot of complaining from a lot of coaches and I know again that some people wanted us to wait until it's all over and we've seen the camps and we've seen U._S._A.. What's all over? We've seen it all and I would double down on what I said two weeks ago and wrote two weeks ago the previous packages better than this package and they need to they need to acknowledge that in and in work on it. Maybe not do exactly what I would want him to do because I know they won't but there's definite I think everybody can agree and I think even the people in charge would agree. There's big time room for improvement and at least from one year to the next they didn't make it better. They made it worse. The good news is that is a rap. 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We've got you covered if you're in a shallow leaguer a deeply points rota whatever that's the fantasy baseball today podcast every weekday from C._B._S. sports so norlander. Let's get the basketball stuff. We're both here Colorado Springs. We spent all they Saturday and all day Sunday watching the best prospects in the country perform to whatever degree in front of some of the top coaches in the country like I mentioned earlier John Calipari was here. Mike Cesky was here Roy Williams was here. Tom Izzo was here. Tony Bennett was here <hes>. I'm just like off the top of my head people I talk to mark Fox's here. Shawn Miller like Davis Current Day a bunch of Bruce Pearl buttock Archie Miller Miller in fact. They're the only the only big head coaches which is we didn't see here. Bill Self Mark Few man. It's it's it's actually I'm I'm trying to think of like of Chris Beard was not here but it but the point point is like majority of top thirty level coaches and in one assistant which in the difference between here impeach and why from a accessability perspective this was better than peach jam from a actual evaluating watching players compete against other players peach is superior to everything easily but in terms of accessibility this was like as good as it gets because we had access to anybody we wanted after morning session or night session and we had them one on on one. I mean you didn't have to share anybody. Did you peach G._M.. You're not getting anybody. That's that's the only at peach really getting any of the top guys WanNa one but like I sat down with Jalen Johnson the duke commit one on one. He was great eight Paulo Ben Shapiro Class A two thousand twenty one stud. He was great Dalen. Terry committed to Arizona Class at twenty twenty kid talk to him tonight. He was awesome. <hes> in terms of players you saw players you spend time with <hes>. What are you walk away with from this in particular <hes> Dacian Knicks has a good story lobby writing on him later in the week? <hes> don't want to give away too much of the peace but he's from Alaska so there's only ever have been like handful five or six players ever from Alaska to go D. One trade-in Langdon Langdon can you name the three the Alaskan assassin Gimme the three most well-known Alaskan division trivia time okay three the most well-known Division One basketball players to come from Alaska Trajan Langdon. Yes Mario Chalmers. Yes Sarah Palin so close thought it was Sarah Palin so close chalmers. Yes the other one played for the same school as Trajan Langdon. I'm Sarah Palin. Carlos Boozer Carlos Boozer of course Carlos Boozer sedation. Knicks is a six five. He said he got measured here at the campus through six five zero five. He's Point Guard Super Interesting Prospect Living Alaska until he was thirteen left for a left because he wa he was just better than everyone else he wanted more opportunity and apparently like his grandparents the weather up there. They were just getting old ahead to get out of there so hold in Alaska Yeah. He said he's he said where where I lived like right now this time of year like it's never nighttime and then middle of February. It's just it's dark at two in the afternoon. It's always dark who who who would live there a lot of people do but why why and I say this is somebody who lives in Mississippi like I get it right because I know the people say about me but at least we get darkness. I know I feel like we get darkness in July and I know it's <hes> I can't humid darkness but we get it. It gets dark sometimes. Would you rather live now. We don't have to do that game. I would I would rather live. I would like my nightmare would be live somewhere where daylight all the time I hate light. I don't really like light by the way rand factoid as I continue this as record this podcast I brought it up because Michigan State tweeted. We are one hundred days from the start of the season as right. Now who Kinda wild can't wait you sound so psyched. Dacian Knicks was <hes> was definitely an interesting prospect that I watch just tremendous tremendous passer will be probably the best passing freshman by the time he gets to college. <hes> really really liked him. doin Wagner's kid he's young but he was really good. He was money wags Wani Wag. No you're getting old when you get bald bald be when you're armed hurt for a week for no great reason and see swinging a sledgehammer and see when a person you covered in college actually covered. I just watched but like I wrote the stories. Now has a son that you're covering at U._S._A.. Basketball what in the World Wani wags Wani wags junior. You're in trouble trouble. <hes> Bryce Thompson is a six five shooting guard played on the under armor circuit from Oklahoma. He's being recruited by the Oklahoma schools. His father played for bill solve. When self was Chelsea? His Father Shasta is that I was a follower. Maybe he listened to the podcast. I hope so Mister Thompson. He couldn't have been nicer when we met him tonight right. She was very nice. His son has a little bit of a <hes> hyperextension issue but he seems to be okay. You got injured while he was out here but he did stand out <hes> prior to that there is a kid G._p.. Did you see this kid from Delaware. He's a twenty twenty two kid he is for. I can't believe he looks like a college freshman now. His name is Jalen dern. He's from New Castle. Delaware goes to Roman Catholic High School Pennsylvania he six nine to thirty five fifteen years old he does. It's absurd he he he was just awesome. Player stood out couldn't leave was twenty twenty two. He looks ready to play college today as a future C._I._A.. Player of the future Blue Hin no I think he's a future Villanova wildcat. If I was projecting outright he's GonNa he's going to escape Delaware. There are other. There are other schools recruiting i. I'm just you're saying that because I know that Villanova is recruiting and there are probably like if you grew up in Delaware you gotta be a blue I don't. I don't think that's how it goes the other players from Delaware. Do we have any sure there are. I just don't know the are. That's a great question. WHO's the best who's the best basketball player ever from Delaware someone listen to the podcast is going to have to answer? I have no idea can you google real quick best best. Guess but the Mike Down I'll I'll I'll fill for a second here. Another guy who really stood out here for fans who might be tracking unease recruitments twenty twenty kid that was really good name Adam Miller out of Chicago thought he was pretty awesome when we saw him out here Ooh list okay okay how many how many couple I'm good ones you could have asked me to name five hundred thousand things we might talk about on this podcast and I would have never gotten to best basketball players from Delaware by the way there was a guy named Grady Dick here good player anyway <hes>. I've actually got like top seven list here. Do you like to go through it gasol. Is it possible for you none of them. It might be for somebody from Delaware. None of these are guests. I don't think you would guess any of these people and you you google best basketball players ever ever from Delaware that is what is what I did by the way Delaware the lowest highest point. I don't know that means Delaware Delaware's highest point <hes> like we right now. We're what six thousand feet above sea level you say so okay Colorado has well. MC McKinley is the highest Colorado has the second or third highest point probably has one of the highest the highest lowest points. If you know what I'm saying as the highest lowest point Delaware its highest point above Seila is the lowest we used to lowest among all fifty states now. Tell me why that matter. It's just a factoid. We're talking Delaware. Okay okay all right <hes>. I don't think any of them but how about this. I'll give you clues lowest highest point this player from Delaware the first State Delaware's are I didn't know that that's bad. I don't feel you learn that second grade. I forget about long ago. It was second grade. How long ago was since Delaware? I became the first day anyway. Continue over shoulder high Gimme seven this. This player from Delaware was a recent final four most outstanding player. That's gotta be no re- Jenkins nope okay so Jenkins was sixteen eighteen. That's eight who is the mop for the second. One with Nova is it the Nova player even tens. Oh don't even know yes so Dante Dante Dante from Delaware A._J.. English yeah from Delaware Okay Dexter Bony ony. No you don't know Dexter Bony. We've gotten degraded Dick and Dexter only on the same podcast. Extra bony went to Burundi wine high school there in Delaware. He was all state school more than two thousand points to junior college college and then he played. He's a C._p._A.. Most Valuable Player this guy this guy's number two on the list who is very player. He's not better than Dante. No already is that better than Dexter. Extra Bony is overrated. There will be no shouts to dexter boning. Oh your bony if I were to politics column tonight it'd be on this. You'RE GONNA have next or bony number two. That's ridiculous so most ridiculous thing I've ever who's who's number one eight. English is number wage a English as well hazard how wall hazard how has not number one. How is Dexter Bonita Waldhauser? How did that happen? I need you to publicly name game where this list came from raker dot com rancor terrible. How're y'all hazardous? The answer texture bony is ahead of one hazard. Is this done by this done by the Bony family might. Be won the world four Stephen Graham. I got nothing Stephen Joey Graham the grand brothers okay. We went Oklahoma state. Yeah Yeah Ronnie Murphy's on the list hold on Stephen Grams five five. Where's Joey Graham seven? He seven and I feel like Joe is there. If I remember Joey was better what is doing it can't even get the grand brothers right gets his. How mad is he? aww That's going to be fired up about his Oklahoma state. He's going to be anyway. What are we talking? You're talking about the players that stood out here. I named a bunch you named a bunch. If you've got nothing else I mean we can listen. I spent some time in column at some point this week on okay on a young man. He's attack not gonNA pretend I discovered if that's what I you Mr Fane Shero Yeah Paulo Ben Chiro. He's ranked fourth in the class of two thousand twenty one that means he's about to be a junior in high school six nine four big dude nicely skilled yes over the past two weeks. He's gotten offers from Duke and Carolina already had offered from Kentucky and I mean everybody what's interesting about him. Besides the fact that I sat down for about twenty minutes he could not have been more impressive like he's sixteen years old. I two in the father of a sixteen sixteen year old and my son is super impressive as well. I just put it this way. You don't always sit down with sixteen year old athletes and they're like really thoughtful into no fault of their own no but I've just saying I couldn't have been more impressed when sit down with his father could not have been more impressed seems like an amazing famine. Here's what's interesting to about it to me. He's from Seattle Dad Played Football Seattle. Mom Play basketball. Seattle uncle was on the a Seattle Dad played football Washington. Mom Played Basketball Washington. Bra Uncle was on the national championship team at Washington so the uncle is in the Washington Sports Hall of fame because he's on that eighteen the mother when she left school was like the whole time leading score. She's in the hall of fame by the way one like a Goo- gold medal with U._S._A.. Basketball when she was like a junior team member so like incredible athletic family they all went to wash he's from Seattle. There's a tremendous amount of pressure on him to Washington but now dukes involve Carolina's involved Kentucky. It's all the big boys so it's like in the state. He's got Washington Zag options and then he's got the schools he mentioned to me. Kentucky Duke Carolina Memphis Tennessee and I mean memphis intimacy yeah <hes> and it's it to me. It's it's one of those always interesting stories like when Malik monk was in Arkansas get tremendous amounts of pressure on him. Stay home but here's John Calipari. What are you going to do James Wiseman in Memphis tremendous pressure to stay in Memphis but Kentucky once you? What are you going to do <hes> you know and in and now it looks like <hes> Jarrell is the next one of those or one of the next one of those incredible prospect like really like it's hard to imagine him not being in the N._B._A.? Fourteen I cannot see see H- like two years from now when he's entering and we do our top one hundred call me to like we can't have them outside of the top already. Did you say one. Yes Hi Major and we mean the highest of high major. I A high major coach told me that if the team his team played a game tomorrow he would start for them right and he is going to be junior high school and he looks the part. He's going to be a junior high school this team. You're referencing will keep it. Vague is is GONNA be preseason top ten team yeah and this coach said that Guy Right now who's about to be a high school junior could start for our team tonight. He's he's that kind of is very good. He's just one of those guys you see three to five of these every summer when we go oh out but you watch a game G._p.. For five minutes and it's like a is just blatantly obvious how good indifferent he is from most other points right so I spend time with him time with his father and I couldn't they seem like a tremendous family but they've got a really fun but also stressful two years ahead of them because as Paulo told me like I've been going to Washington football games my whole life we have season tickets. My Dad played football there and my whole life I go. It's what we do on the weekends now. When I go thing people take a picture Paulos on unofficial visit? It's like I'm just with my parents. I'm just watching just play the beavers man. I'm just talking you know so it's it's it's just a an interesting deal and then in an another thing and this is why I talked dalen Terry <hes> top forty kid who's committed to Arizona right now class two thousand twenty <hes> I was interested in the idea of players recruiting other players because that has become a big thing now like you commit to a school now as your job to recruit to that school like I know one of the reasons penny wanted to get James Wiseman committed so quickly was now you gotta go recruit and he did he recruited like crazy from Memphis and it helped him get the rest of the classic became number one and so Jalen Johnson who's committed to duke is here recruiting four Duke acknowledges it and I went to Jalen airy and I was like so you're committed Arizona. How hard are you working for Arizona right now? He's like I think I'm the best recruiter here. He said you know I know who my coat who Arizona coaches want so. I'm recruiting them but within. I'm recruiting five other guys that I would like to be with and it's just it's. It's the reason it's it's interesting is because it's relatively new because it's group text in group chats and face times it all the stuff that didn't exist five years ago ten years ago and so whether I was talking to Jalen Johnson or Dalen terrier anybody else and maybe it's just I don't know I don't wanNA sound to whatever but like almost every kid I talked to hear really impressive of young people like that just impressive talents but just impressive young people when you sit down with them and maybe that's a byproduct of them being in the system. I don't know in the last thing I'd say on this is tonight. Patrick Baldwin who is twenty twenty one one two thousand twenty one so rising junior top-five kid yeah heart is hard to see him not being top ten pick well. We sat down with somebody earlier this week and they were like I don't know how good I don't I do he was awesome. He looked part like if you didn't know anything about him you just watching watching the players like yeah. That's an N._B._A.. Player yeah. He looked part to me so anyway. It was a worthwhile couple days here and we'll both be having columns written C._B._S.. Sports over the over the next few days like like you mentioned earlier. There is some significant recruiting news from the weekend B._J.. Boston committed to Kentucky is a five star prospect obviously consensus top tim recruiting the country six wing from Georgia who's transfer and by the way to Sierra Canaan high to play with Brawny James and Dwayne Wade. They're building a super team. They really Sierra Canyon Bidet. Boston's going to be a part of that scores it all three levels. He averaged twenty two point eight rebounds a game on the Web L. Circuit. I Commitment Classic Classic 2024 Kentucky and Kentucky beat Florida Auburn Oregon and most notably Duke to get him. What are you know about good player the kind of player who is a top ten so this is nothing against Boston whatsoever <hes> it's not meant I could see him being a really solid freshman but like the kind of guy we're like if he opted to come back for a sophomore season like he'd be a top ten kind of player in America? You're describing Washington yeah but he's not the same kind player is nothing you're right. You know what your career trajectory you are right in terms of where he's ranked now how he's viewed yes and good on Kentucky to get an early commitment like this. I feel like I feel like back lot a lot in recent years. They've been further down the counter. They got that I commitment and they've they've eventually landed in most years in that one or that to spot but has taken some more time Boston. Committing is a really good good for them. I think he's a really fun fun prospect. I think his personality his style fit well to Kentucky. I think there've been a couple players. In recent years that went to Kentucky. They've been fine but they didn't seem like a natural fit Boston to meet actually does very much feel like that so we're starting just now with Boston committing. You'll get a few guys that like to get an early. I always think that I actually think that process is always fascinating. The guys that WANNA commit this earlier even earlier Jalen Johnson awesome and Duke those the only tins right now Jalen P._J.. Don't have the list in front of they might be. If you look among top thirty there might be another one in there but we're going to wait and see on some other ones like a guy who was not here. Kate Kate Cunningham his older brother has been hired at get that done already and he's been hired staff at Oklahoma still we kidding commit and be done with Shelvin Mobutu by the way yeah just commit mobely top two players class uncommitted admitted even though they have relatives on high major staff get it I know so but we wait on guys like that just just to get it done and then what dominos fall thereafter with that I'll have I'll have a story about the Cunningham recruitment and how Oklahoma state actually might might really lock itself up a really elite like top ten class for <hes> for next season but but Boston's a great he's a he's a great addition and it should be the start tired of I mean it's it's it's not breaking news here but when you've got other schools entering the fold in terms of trying to get into that one to spot overall Kentucky is probably GONNA be well positioned to fight again to be number one and number two and as you said earlier over lunch since cows first year the wall cousins class you had Kentucky Duke or ten straight year eleven now in a low by the way like people forget this in fact I forget it but I looked it up today. After we talk just because I wanted to make sure Billy Gillespie actually signed the number one recruiting class in America. He did a heading into his last year so from two thousand eight to two thousand eighteen. It's an eleven year run either Kentucky or Duke had the number one recruiting class in America and now you've got duke and Kentucky Kentucky both pushing for early commitments here and you wonder if it's because of what happened last year they both lost prospects to Memphis in Memphis ended up with a class in the country and you wonder if they were never just competing against each other but there's obviously like another thing out there now that's the thing that they have to at least be aware of and respect and I don't know that that pushes them to be a little more like hey. Let's get this done now but they they both have gotten something done already would duke it's too five-star. Already and Kentucky has one and the point you make about Kentucky getting this done early like I know that that staff wanted to get this done early not just so they'd have one on the board. They're always going to get it don at the end no matter what somehow some way they're not trying to get on the board early. They got nothing to prove to. Nobody they think day Boston the staff does is exactly what we were talking about earlier that everybody likes the people want to play with yeah and they think now okay. You're with us. Now now. Go recruit people like you people WanNa play with you and that's not a true every prospect out there even every Lee prospect like in recent years I mean I'll just say because I know what to be true. There were high high school players. WHO DIDN'T WANNA play with trae young in college? There were elite level high school players. That didn't WANNA play with R._J.. Barrett there's been it's been multiple players. Yes there was concerned that R._J.. Bear Enzyme Williamson now it worked out well but there were even there were rumors that they would eat any wanna play with each other so this yes continued. I was told that there were hi major staff that listen. I think they would've taken trae young. I'm not trying to say but like they were like something. They need to consider like if we take this guy does it hurt us with this guy we take. This guy doesn't hurt. WHO's that guy? I frankly another one and I say this with all due respect because he's an incredible talent and I can't wait to watch him this year and a big fan of his father who used to work with and in in like but I've heard that about co Anthony and that's the thing if you talk to recruiting analyst in college coaches. They'll tell you like coal anthony's amazing. I don't know how many players wanted were anxious to play with him like if you took away anthony would that hurt you with another kid right. I don't know but that's the thing people were talking about. I'll just leave it at that and I say that again. As respectfully as I could say 'cause Cohen is awesome. You might be the number one picking draft B._J.. Boston is I'm told somebody kids like my kids. WanNa play with and you get him on board now. He's going to go out there and try to get the next cowboy next guy on board. It can be a real advantage to have him working for you on July twenty eight I agree. It's a it's a strong early commitment. They don't need it. I think coach always love when they can get one just done at this at this day just kind of get one off the board and now you know we always kind of dip our toes and the recruiting stuff and then as we move forward here like you might get one or two interesting prospects but as we just spend this Ford as we wrap up the pod now G._p.. Like I think that whoever we talk next or if not next the one after that like as we get into August it's going to be Cana coaches stuff and what schools and away from the Aa for I think that I think that those will be the topics for August. I I think it's an we got one more recruiting calendar podcast talk. We absolutely we do not by the way to <hes> to loop back to our podcast from two weeks ago. I watched Aquaman on my way down here so I watched Jason. Momoa no dreams Jason Momoa since then so I've been Jason Komo free and yeah this was this was a weird break in between but I had my week vacation did Vermont high school reunion all that kind of stuff you look like the guy that would not go to your high school reunion though I've never been to one of my yeah and it's not because I I wouldn't go. They've all they don't plan around my schedule as they should like seriously. I'm the star of the class. There's no getting around it. Why wouldn't you plan around my schedule? Why wouldn't you reach out to me and go G._p.? DP You're going to be in town because what is the classroom. What is the point of doing this? If you're not going to be there so <hes> I've never been in town for one. I don't think yeah this was my twenty year. The ten year CHESA southbound high school is a good time but but yeah so anyway we're rambling. It's officially a podcast our and five minutes anything else you WANNA get to before we wrap up and wherever the month of August is GonNa take us. I don't know I just don't understand this how you can have Stephen Graham fit the Joe e seven. That's or Dexter Bony ahead of won't have there's got to be more good players from Delaware this. I'll tell you what I will tell you this. What's his name? Oh Gosh just an absolute beast new Castle Delaware Jalen Durin. I'm I'm putting them at two behind hazard already. Maybe he's the next extra pony. He's going to be better than he's he's. He's surpassed bony at this point already. You think he's the you must think he's the next Ronnie Murphy Oh you seem to be implying that he could be a grand brother but but do you think he's Stephen Moore Stephen Moore Joey. I remember them Graham Bagram brothers. I think they play with Tony Allen. Yeah that was the same era that whole team was like twenty four and awesome final four yeah they did did 'cause they stopped Phil Martelli from going Jamir Nelson those sons of pitch wrap it up G._p.. Shasta Devon Eh Daddy chance to chester South Carolina. She has to terry fatigue or the legend Shasta Lor now shouts to Dexter Pony and oh he's not getting any shouts extra Bony Ontario according to rancor agrees the second best player ever from from from Delaware. One spot ahead of walt hazard terrible seems crazy to me. Please go subscribe down Basco pockets actually you don't have to. I don't know why you would at this point. No you absolutely shit we are we are also on spot. They tell us we're on spotify all sorts of stuff so just download subscribe all that good in all fairness. Where are you going to get a breakdown of basketball players from Delaware?
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"Good Evening Loss Angeles look at your beautiful basis in any summary Fuck you summaries no synopsis can properly capture any piece of intent on collusion what did he say he said the investigation did not establish that members of the trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government and it's it was on on CNN. Jeffrey Toobin Grab Gloria Borger by the lapels Andrew Yang. We'll be joining us we got Yang part of our presidential candidates series excited about that excited in Dallas can't get the people out of their houses in Houston just yet threaten Houston the same way threatened Milwaukee conclusions leaves it to the Attorney General to determine whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime does it is that why I know how you people about daylight savings time I don't make the rules we will be in Texas may second in Houston may don't come first time you'll never get another chance threat issued we also just announced in San Francisco at the Castro in Dallas may fifth in Austin I'm going to say something I've said before about a place call Milwaukee people love seeing the show in Austin there caller or what happens if buzz light year in laser disc copy of the untouchables have a baby he turned in his report lovely to be back at the Improv is as apprised show we have a bunch of shows on the road coming up April tenth we'll be at Boston go to crooked dot com slash events check those tickets out all right so here we are this show was not supposed to exist should interference activities on obstruction while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime it also does not exonerate him while Muller chose not to reach feel at least fifty it's muller time t shirts in here he goes on to say Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I concluded Laura I'm probably fine but I don't want to chance it don't want to get everybody sick it is don Jr. was sitting in his father's lap on the iron throne status was about to take king's landing and then we and just started screaming on Fox News Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity use their shared key to unlock the caravan filled with terrorists emergency box their fingers hovering over a blinking red button could find out all about him and I'm GonNa ask you about daylight savings time fab about the filibuster I asked Luge on obstruction bill bar had no such compunction he's sad the special counsel's decision to describe the facts of his obstruction investigation without reaching any theater will be there in September tickets for that one of the Presale just ended and those are going to go fast so if you're in San Francisco and you WanNa see my beautiful shining face you can get those tickets right now aren't there were no more indictments we learned that we wouldn't even see the report but don't worry Attorney General Bill Bar was reading it over the weekend and writing up a four page no matter how many shows we do in a row the first weekend without a show you people are like you son of a bitch but we're here because on Friday we learned that Robert an investigation decided to reach no conclusion after forty eight months but bar can do it after forty eight hours amazing impressive. The evidence developed during the special counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the president committed and obstruction of justice offense so muller who led we're supposed to be on a nice little love it or leave it break all right we take breaks we did forty five shows last year people were completely ungrateful so a lot of questions we don't know what new Information Muller gathered we don't know what conduct muller and his team discovered that may not be criminal just reprehensible unpatriotic and and pages was at least three hundred pages long based on what we know it is somewhere between three hundred and nine hundred and ninety nine authentically the star report independent counsel Ken Starr Investigated Former President Bill Clinton for obstruction of justice. Most it's hard to procrastinate as hard as I do and continue to have had gainful employment but even I know that if you show up for nine pages quite spread listen I'm a great procrastinator among the best I am among the quiz having read the thirty page cliff notes of a three hundred page book you may fail that quits but you read a four page summary of that novel you are fucks you don't know anything about catch twenty two and Mr Chachi I was going to figure it the fuck out racing we don't know why trump and those around so brazenly and so often about contacts with Russia we didn't even know the page count although we've learned now that this report which was summarized in and he's going to give you a d. in English in your fourth quarter senior year and there's a real chance you may not graduate under the Tuscan Sun by Francis Mates number three into thin air by Jon Krakauer number two including about Monica Lewinsky it read like fifty shades of Grey if it were written by a virgin and they've published at you could buy it in bookstores the perfect storm by Sebastian younger what a great group of per doesn't that capture a moment in time we're very worried about whether in our ability to overcome guy has hand is right up in the air his is beet red from sobbing all week those two people hugging each other James Comey this is who wrote the four page memo some people may have expected too much from Robert Muller this his report was over four hundred pages it covered Clinton's allegations of obstruction it had sensitive info in it it had grand jury testimony had deeply embarrassing personal information movies are you ready zoo faces unexpected challenges ahead of its grand opening we bought a zoo muller at face value is making the exact same stake in the opposite direction and Republicans are using bars conclusions to pretend that a there's no important information we haven't seen race motherhood despite concerns about the baby's father knocked up a woman learns to embrace motherhood despite concerns about the baby's father summit you know the big part of our lives thinking about boats waves cold and avalanches that was what was on our minds was the nineties fatal attraction an affair turns deadly titanic and finally a man learns to survive with the help of and be that the evidence we have seen already the mounds of evidence of wrongdoing coordination lies that many indictments already issued the many trump officials going to jail applicants CPAC speakers whose faces were two asymmetrical for a Fox News contributor deal so you have to soon he wrote I know just just know that for this next one I know when you're stuck inside it can be hard to have fun Mary's Baby I want you to know something Ok this next one trump's lawyers campaign manager and National Security Adviser Somehow doesn't matter or doesn't even fucking exist bar does not come from trump's usual pool of who has radical views on presidential power who are bed and a memo about other president shouldn't even be targeted by a special counsel investigation and that he was right to fucking fired the hat when you're stuck inside it can be hard to have fun room a zoo faces unexpected challenges ahead of its Grand Opening Jurassic Park a woman learns summary. Let's start the show let's bring out our fantastic panel she's a comedian and writer for shows such as King Star report forget show to the public they sold it at Barnes and noble we four page summary by trump's handpicked attorney general who'll older guy grabs those kids huddle here exists schools about to fucking blow that's what that guy looks like but taking bars analysis let's please welcome back Jimmy Will Smith Jameel not too bad it's opening day all I will close with technically accurate and completely misleading summaries of a few movies in fact I'll show the same summary can accurately describe two completely different maintenance miracle workers and pods they've American. Hbo Please Welcome Back Richard Johari doing I'm great power Emily Heller Emily I'm good you forgot my most recent the report under his report of the report is fucking book report under the assumption that it might be misleading but it would technically comport with Muller's findings but so okay what does that mean Eddie time pets.com but the number one bestselling book on October Eighteenth Nine Hundred Ninety eight was the aw I told you that I knew and you didn't trust me Ooh that was hard to say an affair turns deadly last week Robert Muller announced he was ending his investigation it looked like we might be able to see his long awaited report as we Karen cuddling in the corner like the scene in die hard and vengeance where they think the schools about to explode that moment you know exactly what I'm talking about where that exonerated but there were no new indictments that is a low fucking bar I will say that in a folksy way I decided to look it up today the New York Times bestseller list from October Eighteenth Nine thousand nine hundred ninety eight it is the most nineties thing ever number four you so good for the fans at home John's wearing cool shoes you'll never see bite thank you so much you're welcome does your dress crimp on them it's shrimp schools how he's a senior writer at rolling stone and has written for the New York Times esquire in Washington et which is going to be a bond girl in the next James Bond Movie All right let's get into it what a week Asian the trump people have all declaring victory in fact some people said this was the best day of his presidency. You should read some of the write ups which found that there were people hugging on the White Baseball's back baseball's map because we live in a society that is obviously post fact and he's done it essentially so we can put this whole debate into the arena that we see you're in your element you can watch comedy special ice thickens on comedy central in her album pasta is out now and it's fantastic please welcome back the trump is so low we've got cockroaches plan limbo down here I consider doing a southern accents house lawn that there have been celebratory meals that trump is walking around like the cock of the walk because he was bear the jungle book a man learns to survive with the help of a bear the revenue four pages four page summary with his own analysis and no plan to actually release the document in weeks not months easy I mean he's done this no we are not going to see that report unless we pry it from Donald Trump and bill bars cold live hands here's what we know the report a summer as I said that's not how this trump world works you're dealing with a guy who is hired to defend the president the report could be as long as a note card it doesn't matter how long the we haven't read the report and we actually using critical thinking and and the thing is he's created this dilemma on purpose between three hundred thousand pages we've only seen four page summary The mixed message is that trump is not exonerated on obstruction but there was not enough evidence to bring charges on crimes related to he said that it was illegitimate and so he installed this guy put him in charge of the fucking investigation and said hey you go and handle list for me and he handled it there's a question around bar right because bar is not what's his name he's not Boris Epstein he's not even Kellyanne Conway he's not because if we just all got to read the report if we all got simply see the facts laid out then women were all dealing with the same set of facts right which is Ariana Huffington circa one thousand nine hundred nine that's an honestly it's coming up less and less well tease it and you don't of the amount of scandal malfeasance that's already been exposed tells you something about the job bill bar plan to do he said Yes to the mess now we see it in a trump saying that okay I've been exonerated I live in space in this arena where I can say that I've been exonerated award is what matters is the fact that trump installed a guy who had published a report before he became attorney general which criticized the investigation collusion all this stuff and you live in that world his people can live in that world and all the rest of us are living in the real world where actually doesn't say that and radical views on presidential power and authority of Investigations and because he said yes but the fact that somebody would say yes to trump to become his attorney general in the midst is it easy I get dumber every day and I'm loving it emily of course is the utter lack of critical thinking not just in mass media but throughout the country people saying Oh the Muller Report says this that no the bar letter says this and there have been dozens of charges a lot of what we know has already come out shaky about Michael Cohen about Paul Manafort about gates about there's so many criminals I forget about Flynn accepting at face value idea that this was really good for Donald Trump and not a lot of reflection about the fact that we have seen multiple people already indicted through this investigation the fact that they never actually get to look at the report itself it's obstruction obstruction. Jimmy I'm going to start with you why do you think bar chose this strategy of writing well I think that a big problem has been we have been treating this like a movie but we've been treating it as the wrong genre of movie we have been treating I know it's so rarely I I know I know I know well have you tried not being smart as to the mass yesterday mass he asked you that mass he understood exactly what he was getting into the understood exactly who was working for time lots of friends this guy's like it's not that difficult I did we not learn anything no have you ever asked the question have we learned anything the answer exactly four pages or not doesn't even begin to explain what in the report doesn't begin to explain the criminal liability that he may have been exposed to what we're seeing now Asian would you make of that you can love me a softball here I don't know how do we deal with the fact that that we've just lowered you and the fans are gonna be you can google it I don't care what search terms I used to google standards for what a good day for him Lord our standards and we're not good at dealing with the fact that sometimes life doesn't work like a movie where the most important information comes out at the end yeah who that social media guy that used to be the caddy he's not as convenient type he's had serious jobs in other administrations before he was put in place because he has well and then did not do it. Can you not decide how you'd say cockroaches here's the thing I've got the one accent hey I just saw us and Martin Short was in my theater so twenty twenty great for me well I'm feeling pretty sad about the report not coming out for a whole host of reasons but I do as always have my insiders in Washington he just keeps standing up again and Jamie Lee Curtis just looks at our winters like this fucking Asshole I've been doing this for thirty Goddamn years white-knuckle and survive this shit's that's the issue it is yeah it is true that like how do we handle the heck that if everything we learned about the mullahs report over the past year and a half had come out on Sunday including the four-page bar memo the media this weekend I think embraced this report took it at face value there was a lot of hand wringing about previous reporting on collusion there was a lot of then you can get ten dollars to starbucks of your choice in the greater DC area and they're probably really sad that they don't get to do that governor Hutt so I think that's probably going on in DC will given how low a bar it is I think there's a lot of liberals who despite knowing all of that did come out of this weekend feeling pretty bad in part because the media took this my awesome insider sort of hit me up with the awesome tip that somewhere within the report there's little scavenger hunt with the prize at the end it would have been considered the worst day of Donald Trump's presidency and yet a lot of people with a straight face said it was the best day of trump's presidency just that it came to a conclusion like Adam Schiff flogged their own enemies and then this report eventually does come out they'll say it's old news and we already learned the conclusions how are you feeling about what we learned over the weekend okay we did not speak so even given all that we know about the amount of wrongdoing Moller exposed investigation still going on in New York and Virginia at the state ten who give me the scoop that John is probably not privy to because he doesn't have access the way that I do and one a superhero movie where we expect the good guys to win in the end and what we needed to do was treated like a horror movie where we try and like what are they up to that looks bucking awesome like why did they get matching shirts how far in advance was this plant right yesterday meal so faithfully and feel a little bit like well now we're waiting for the actual report the Republican plan seems to be to take this moment declare victory lap even try to use it to floppy are in Washington right now that's my reliable sources I don't know what you're people are saying you've always hung with a much more unreliable crowd than mine I've got is total exoneration as with prison says then why the fuck does he like Vladimir Putin so much well that's a real cops get off after an unarmed black man or black kid gets shot the cops get off and it because it's the prosecutors always working with the cops there's there's a few things number one number one I really liked to know look if this actually does exonerate him as he says as you can be closed during that so people who don't have jobs we'll probably be able to win the SCAVENGER hunt for people with jobs so I think that's pretty much that's my read on the temperature does that help no that really really helps me understand better what's going on by the Republicans in the media about this average behind like stand for something scavenger hunts are fun sometimes a whole bunch of teams are out in a part of town we are two thousand nine hundred ninety nine all right this week it was a real bar does not plan on releasing the full report he might release a summary of the report meeting the American I think it was actually sad about this is you know frankly I write about race a lot a lot and you know I felt like when the it's ten thirty on a Thursday la the people going to wake up for the fake cough drafted like another classic case of Democrats fallen down on the job they are too afraid to tell the truth to the American people because they're afraid of being called and ears all over the ground in Washington DC so ruling for the report coming out but I won't read it think that's not something anybody is yet talking about about what's going on what's really sad like the media should be talking about this and they're really days and they don't get to use scavenger hunt this week and they're probably going to have to do next week but they're going to have to do like during their lunch break before work after work during the night but in light of the FBI why were there so many connections between Russia and the administration why does Paul Manafort send pulling information to Kalinic why does this trump tower meeting take place why does trump Colin Bladder Putin to hack Hillary Clinton's emails I why why does he invite the Russians into the Oval Office okay we know how that's GonNa end and it's like well same thing with William bar one other piece of this I know I think it's not just why why is he so solicitous of Latimer Putin why are there so many brazen lines related to Russian involvement. Why does Michael go in line front of Congress why does Mike and then brag about Comey's firing white is a list goes on so there's that but there's also I finally realized what this actually feels like and that's why this thing on this before we move on you know there's a question of how this will affect twenty twenty people saying like this is an incredibly donald trump is now his chances of winning reelection have gone who you know he's working a little bit too closely with the cops all the time when the cases and then he's put in charge of or he or she is putting charge of prosecuting the cops and it's like see right now is everybody bomb that they have to wait to do the scavenger hunt they all thought this guy was going to be this week so probably took a lot of vacation they did he seem like he was having a good time he did seem like he was having a good time with friends I was with friends we really connected over that go wow this is such an important day for Donald trump and yet on the other hand people have said for very long time we're not GONNA win the election on these questions and finding out what happened is incredibly important we were attacked this was an incredibly important and positive development for him and yet we just want an election in two thousand eighteen we know the mullahs report in our hands? Then emily you know there have been two conversations around this one I understand it's all bowled with an exclamation roy well listen pounds of meat which is enough for twenty four individuals meals you can choose from five different box types all beef beef and chicken beef and pork or a mixed box will you be able to get enough because butcher boxes offering finely ground beef that's clean and delicious and is taken from the most flavorful sections of the animal move over are less favorable sections the beat consists of trimmings from the sirloin and Chuck Todd which makes it so versatile cooks fast holy Shit he won and now oh my God I'm president I don't get the tower and the money which is all I ever cared about and I did all this shit with Russia that people are going to find out about Oh my God breed pork the incredible quality of butcher box meets starts with the commitment to raise animals humanely and free of antibiotics and hormones. Please talk about your box it it's springtime for Hitler in America Right now did we just write the mold point to comment since the bar Memo Fox News has been sobbing about just how much damage the investigation has done to our country and our people no one is Saturday Tucker Carlson and if you don't the ground beef in every box for the lighter butcher boxes corruption could a butcher box dot com slash Lovett or enter the Promo Code Lovett each box comes with at least eight to eleven I mean that tracks with all of his pro-nazi stuff too that's twenty dollars off your first box towns a free ground beef in every box to the live your subscription to butcher box good a butcher box dot com slash love it enter the Promo Code love it here movie but just a terrible remake of the producers where his goal was to run the worst campaign in history while saying really positive things about Russia so they could get a fucking kick ass building in Moscow and in this them Bowl Rian side of all right when we come back okay stop perfect for quick weeknight dinners right now new members will get to pounds of this delicious ground beef for free in every box for the life of your subscription that's right two free pounds of beef and your beef box individual time today legit like a coal spits I haven't heard pledging Maggie shrapnel for twenty dollars off your first box and two pounds I mean we need to understand this as voter suppression we need understand this foreign foreign interference not simply as foreign interference but as voter suppression they're trying to suppress votes oh sick that you would watch that on a plane plane and that was that was better is your box what do you want to know all right it's here's the thing about my box it was filled with meat meat is frozen at the peak of freshmen tragic event but ultimately something blown out of proportion by Republicans trying to attack Hillary Clinton this is an investigation into a foreign governments attempt to undermine relying on the fact that Fox News audience a wants that to be the case and be we'll take him at his word because they have been so adult and pushed if no it's time for game called Okay Stop Roller Clip in the panel can say okay stop at any manafort right now it's comparable to sing like going to a fireworks show and they're being a bunch of fireworks and then the whole time you're waiting for thing when there are people going to jail right now from these investigations there are multiple ongoing criminal proceedings from these investigations taking it's gas lighting like you can argue that this outcome of this report is better for trump than what was expected and you can argue that the lack of charge crime on collusion is a big deal totally reasonable argument the big finale and the big finale doesn't happen and then Fox News is like there were no fireworks is not the only person in this clip let's roll it we have lived through three separate investigations into Russia collusion not just muller but committee this was Bush's offer last year and they're coming up only butcherblock slivers healthy one hundred per se grass-fed grass finish be free ranger ganic chicken and heritage exactly right become obviously immeasurably worse suicide drug these are up life expect aircon sleep outside every night who's president who's been president for the last two and a half years in this country tens of millions we've idea the schools are a joke you wouldn't send your kids to them if you had a choice infrastructure is crumbling hundreds of thousands of accuracy at every level and to work with presidential campaign against the Democratic opponent alright an unpatriotic and potentially criminal act that may have changed the course of our country I'd be like three investigations is like a pretty low fucking number right especially considering when nothing was done by this administration to stop them from doing it again around by this network for so long that they probably believe it the actual allegations have been so poorly covered here that they may not even fully know about them that they can actually say with a straight face that these investigations produce and we're going to let them do it again then that's how me he might win the next election Republicans like really hate voter suppression and in the end you think this is a really important thing that Fox News has done since Sunday which is I've seen these hosts say this again and again and again I was flying back to L. A. and I happen to put on Cable News Committee one in the Senate one of the House America had problems the city's smells like garbage what you can say is because there was no new indictments they happened on Sunday to argue that nothing came from these investigations is just untrue and he's basically Mike Bathroom smells like shit the banner says still no charges related to Russia collusion and he's talking about DC house and a committee in the Senate I would just remind everybody there were so many investigations into Benghazi right which was found nothing but during that time this country the country they're supposed before we go I just wanted to hear the full run of nonsense about the hair so he's so I just I the subway barely works the largest city in the United States smells like garbage bill de Blasio the mayor talking about he's ranting about get that beef box free beef coming to your house near big box be from that box and it's going to be a whole bunch of beef till out that beautiful is if we kept going I just love the like while there were three congressional committee there were three ongoing investigations one of the Department of Justice one of the go anywhere who's more of love it or leave it coming up love it or leave it is brought to you by a butcher box came back the more they can't get enough and on the airplane and I was just like taking rips of cable like whip it's just like so say hi would nevertheless take ahead wear off to another fucking hit wait you heard that right okay so we have no clue is living here in this country after all the problems suicide drug abuse we have no clue atom shifts district right now he is my congressman that New York smells like something New York has eight million people in it contains vast vast smells of every type amount wait before you say that does Tucker Carlson eat a whole pizza by folding it up and shoving into his mouth and do better because then it might be repeatedly asked you out there every day talking about the evidence of collusion that he's seen he's flagrantly lying to the American people he's doing it every the green book for me and yet you buy it all I was gonna say is this idea of found nothing is a why booting okay stop Jerry Seinfeld up in here with the observations airplane food was next a few like he just sorta showed us his hand a little bit he projected I always say smelling bad about DC NEW YORK. Oh sorry I lost track it's crazy 'cause he was making so many salient points place right now as palm outboard in jail right now is in a prison cell all right no Hermes ties appeared from a Mumford word even when you're proven so there's a level of cope ability there are repercussions for being concerned picture of Donald trump junior with a terrible beer I just wanna say because we are currently sitting the people who are responsible for continuous if it never happened how can eric swallow and Adam Schiff keep their seats in the House of Representatives they should resign and I don't want to speak for all of us but this is not going focus anywhere when we come back a look back on the criminals to whom we are saying goodbye don't go anywhere for you you can say whatever you want when you're on our side okay stop or okay wait a minute I defer and it's true the next person we're about to hear from this don't junior leader of the Tinfoil Hat Brigade Adam Limited that you don't face if you're on the other side Oh what do you think that we think Carney women I mean I was at Penn at the same time is that Dude your classmates with Don Jr. classmates with him I didn't like you were get com- get to sleep ever back human brains up everybody just for the record for listeners the picture on the screen is he is following the borders are a mess we have no clue who lives in this country it's not okay stop stop okay y'all heard what he's doing it slash L. O. V. E. T. T. you'll get twenty five percent off a calm premium subscription it includes sleep stories which are bedtime stories for adults designed to help you relax and fall asleep faster you assume are always trying to kill you anyway we do the best we can with social media and but it can be hard to keep track of what's uh-huh they're about the same level of credibility and there's no accountability for that Tucker because when you're on that side and you have the media carrying your water major kick us off let's raise a glass to the man the myth the Black Ludger legend Paul Manafort the feds may have taken freedom but they could never take his dignity he did that himself when he answered this question so to be clear Mr trump has that's what makes it New York lived there I mean he lives in a version of New York that none of kinsale this has been a disaster wait so we added because it is muller bullshit all right and I had a venti all right before I hit that stage because I do it for the people but then you get home right you pay the price all right and I did also let the record reflect that Travis tried to insert a joke about manafort's suits but love it took it out because he genuinely believes that manafort more they want us to forget what we've already learned so we need to get our hands on the mall report but we thought we look back on just how much criminality muller has already exposed with a look back knows we arrested I love it or leave it it's more on the way lover lead is brought to you by calm how long does it take beautiful sleeve too long I did love it or leave it this joe you're listening to me in having trouble following it because John Shoe scrape sorta blackout I get so turned on and jealous of his and while Manafort may have committed fraud laundered money tampered with witnesses innovative taxes you have to admit that he did it all where we're wearing the hell out of on the way in a segment we're calling in four page memo aurium When you have the media on your side and your dad is the president you can say whatever you want I'll get even steel also have guided meditations on issues like anxiety stress and focus including a brand new meditation every day come even a soothing music and more right now love it or leave it listeners get twenty five percents off a on chance he escaped psych El Chapo and you know the feds didn't find all the money and still manafort's confiscated cash means Muller Invest that to Roger Looks like a rejected Dick Tracy villain and acts like how a polyester couch feels a man let's have a toast to the Douche bags let's have a toast to the assholes when Kanye West said that he was of course magnificent fragile built for surviving short brutal existence surrounded by a few dozen people you know and countless animals plants cliffs bacteria viruses and other humans? You don't know you can commit white-collar crimes for decades Paul Manafort will not be missed we'd keep insulting him but there's a five who was told by a judge to shut up and he was so bad at being quiet he posted a picture of the judge with a crosshairs in it speaking of Roger Stone a man who has been part of every single crime since like the Lindbergh baby and to be honest we should probably look into him for on premium subscription ADT COM dot com slash Lovett that C. A. L. M. dot com slash Lovett get unlimited access to all content today at Com dot com slash love it as long as you're a tall white man with gravelly voice who can pull off a double breasted suit may God forgive John Lovett Down Junior roommate oh no not you were the best man at dawn in her mess tie which probably only made the Russian oligarchs he owed millions to angrier and it's not like Russian oligarchs are famous for being too on instagram classic Guy Who needs the last word which means guy you've been charged and what's not it can be hard to remember what happened yesterday let alone important developments for months or years ago it's why trump and Hannity and the good time Palestine they can get away with declaring victory it's not just that they don't want us to learn financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs an that's what I said that's obviously our position is it doesn't make sense that you will lose it is very it is how do you watch this network stupid it really felt like time stopped that day but hey at least they went down doing what they loved committing computer crimes in an attempt to sabotage national election and ultimately damage the United States is standing on the world stage without ever actually having to worry about being arrested because Putin was super into it he will not be missed to Roger Dodger to Roger to add you put those glasses just to come as a secret code for Pizza Parlor Pedophilia Party so next time you're running a massive identity theft operation breaching Komo is the number one APP to help you reduce your anxiety and stress and allow you to sleep better more than forty five million people around the world have downloaded it com dot com. I've always loved that AH I don't care I'll defend going I don't care I don't care I don't care manafort's ball from graceful serve as a reminder to lobbyists we do know that without their hard work we would never have learned John Podesta's secret to a creamy risotto which would then be interpreted by psychopaths for Hillary Clinton's email server or just fomenting division online take a moment to poor one out for Gucci for and the gang they will not be missed I think we all remember where we were when Muller dropped the bombshell news that he would be indicting twelve Russian intelligence agents who hacked the DNC and the Clinton campaign all right we come back really play a game instigated by Mayor Pete what trump has been elected without them we'll never know that's part of the fun of this cable drama we live in the ambiguity but the grotto at the playboy mansion for reasons Hugh Hefner was even embarrassed to say out loud is that true you're not sure relation turned a profit to capitalism and to Paul who John's in love with sky and repeat after me champagne for real friends real pain for the twelve Russian intelligence agents tied to hacking the DNC took twelve Russian intelligence agents some people think that's niches get stitches but in the case of my good in those suits until I don't care let the record reflect this is not on the cards but beatrice things that's really sad for lying to Congress obstruction of justice and witness tampering but the worst crime committed was having a Nixon bacteria to be your thing okay ready mayor judge a man running to become America's first gay president with a straight haircut mayor Buddha Jed with muller season ending the spinoff known as the twenty twenty election is upon us and as Democrats are talking about real important issues that have never been discussed in American politics before issues like president and finally mayor Pete Buddha judge the only gay person Mike Pence is sad is going to hell sir pianists mayor be Buddha judge the presidential candidate with the NITA's handwriting mayor be Buddha judge who is robocop except the scientists were trying to build a jeopardy it'll be ours to fall asleep hours did you use eating I should've tried the column up if it's more than thirty minutes of all you need something to take your mind off whatever stressing you out com can help in Europe recognize you from where I was the flower girl spreading landers allies all right that's okay stock up Google and Amazon and how big agriculture's destroying the small farmer or how maybe it's time to start taking reparations seriously enter mayor Pete Duda judge a man who finally answered the question what if the kid from King Arthur's court ran for presidents don't worry I have other versions of that Cohen snitch has actually get our well wishes let's bid are due to Michael Cohen trump's personal olivia pope if Olivia pope was banned from not true but it could have been sure Michael Cohen pled guilty to eight counts including campaign finance violations tax fraud bank fraud and went on national television to call in right are you ready I'm nervous good question number one is a hotdog a sandwich now the game hi what's your name Gali Gali yes like molly with a G. Golly that's a cool name Golly Salva coward and he only discovered the difference between right and wrong at fifty years old but he also looks like it everybody loves Raymond had a third brother who's always bothering ready to drive into the Methadone Clinic Mayor Buddha judge thirteen year old boy is currently in Zoll tar wish machine situation Buddha jet precocious here's how it works I'll ask you a question and you give me an answer and then the panel will discuss while decide if you're right or wrong with someone out there I wonder who getting college credit for his presidential campaign mayor Pete Buddha judge the presidential candidate who shamelessly panders to the white working class by speaking seven languages and being an accomplished and you will not be this and that's in four page memo presented candidate running on the platform of reminding the teacher she forgot to collect homework mayor Pete Buddha judge thinks he can be president despite the fact that the word but is in his name first of all a hotdog is not a fucking sandwich and then try to get Debra Bye Koko knives on the drive home so let's raise a glass to long island's proud sun to Michael Cohen a sandwich well we want to ask the audience in our panelists they think in a game we're calling Buddha judge or Buddha judge I think I agree I agree autism pinks last night so I can confirm I think it's not a sandwich because there's not a right and there's meet in the middle no no that's not not on the side of a sandwich the bread is on the top and the bottom of a sandwich questions on the side of by Russia we didn't even mention the Moscow trump tower deal and how that influenced trump's behavior during the campaign pardon me sometimes thinks that what we're living in is not a horror film or the I don't even know what we're doing all right we love Mayor Mayor P came out with a controversial opinion however declaring a hotdog is not and I turn it in a ninety degrees I'm which yes yes it will fall apart because it falls apart aw don't go anywhere there's more love it or leave it coming up in the middle of the Brash oh I have a question are you suggesting to this audience and to God that if I take a sandwich on top about I agree it's on the side and the side is on the side and the side and that's pathetic literally that's literally what a sandwich is like this braid on each side out how you assemble it let me ask you this it's about the position okay for Y'all known hot dog shit like that right you know that a hot dog hey on national television he's gotten more airtime amazingly enough than Michael Avenue good burn burn burn burn burn it's we're debating it real reached adulthood without having a conversation about it because it's not a fucking in which eight experiment and I just want to say how sad it is for me to see the two men on I love I love I love a language descriptive est all right I love the idea of the ordinary the way we use the word I'm very into it does not apply to hot dogs dis and it's been like seventy years since then so I think we need to give up on trying to find things inner out of being salad you know what I think that's right longest standing up the right way there's two exactly I know that I sound insane no I don't know that you do Ali you were winning one all right then next question golly I'm ready is Coleslaw Salad I think it is aw there man splitting the sandwich situation men sandwich admits land which sorry sandwich I think a hot dog has a fair amount of sandwich NECE K. it's a it's a cold salad much like pasta salad well who is hey hey hey hey hey is subway sandwiches sandwich I'm sorry that bond comes in all versions sometimes sometimes if it's a chart where sandwiches up here and hot dog is down here a subway sandwiches over here it's got a north South West situation changes in its uses and I think that it's been a good fifty years since salad has meant salad because people used to call Jello Salad in the I don't know that here's the thing is here's what I'm GonNa say Alright Sandwich Nece is in ephemeral and hard to define category breaking out in hives do I weigh in on this these do I believe in adapting as language running around on that question is a hamburger sandwich yes so a hamburger sandwich yes of course so I'm sorry sandwich the Belly Pasta Salad is in the Salad Section at supplementation so pasta salads so now the good people the edge and I walked you right up to that bear fall and I was like stepping back and seven back in new almost fell in but you know I know I know how logic works this question next question and there's more going to be quick chilliest soup oh no it's not no Chile is zoomed by sheer tenacity the authority on these matters but I would be interested in what you have to say well for me lutely should door it so if you're interested in absolutely hit me up I will be sending outside with my mailing lists and you cannot leave the building if you don't sign up and alibi the best he can get for protein is a little bit of loose tuna okay talk to me about soup plantation like I don't know that place like my elementary school I can drop it used to be at subway back in the day they didn't slice it down the middle they cut like a wedge out stuff to put another layer on top closed it yes the liquid has to have a controlling share of the media look emily has it's it's been seventy years since salad didn't mean salad it's been one week on the Internet since hot dot like since sandwich change so you know what we'll revisit this in a few decades don't think Julia Soup and I will fight anyone to the death in the parking lot if you disagree with me so golly you got it final question Golly won the game and apparently Gift Card uh-huh win that round asked maybe who gives a shit golly you got it all right cave tuna that a sandwich I mean if if it's a short it doesn't say that is not the way to get out of the House I want you to know something I want you to know something okay next question let's make a promise we need back here in thirty years we see people are calling hotdog sandwich none of us are married where did it come from the cash out cash we're switching Dili's other payment ups anymore we are cash only this cream salad because that's something that you can weaponize so I'm actually standing outside the door today and I am actually running a new cameron a woman who feels no pain or anxiety we have email newsletters we have audience suggestions I mean you guys can shout something March Madness Agency packaging I believe that anything can be a salad salad salad so same out and I was like ice cream can be a salad right an agency packaging very cool topic for people listening outside of Los Angeles but named restaurant there the Arbor's are funny vocabulary protein there you go what is not the best way to get Pete Buddha judge to finally come on the show we come back the rent wheel dollars goes toward the house right now it's planned parenthood's Action Fund Damn Right which is raising money to protect women's health across the country and it's never been more important because very hot very specific right now the theranos documentary Stephen Moore Donald Trump was nominated for the Fed and Mike Pence's speech about NASA. Let's Spin it the center slash dia campaigns sort of like Jenny Craig situation but US call everything salad it costs two hundred thousand dollars a month and I think you guys would it has landed on take a warm blankets do it's warm blankets to not sue it's warm blankets do people go to the dictionary it's in the category at least fifty one percent liquid money that's how it's supposed to work but in recent years there's been a growing trend of two things one it's called packaging and to its agencies having production company so agencies also have little affiliated production companies or studios and they actually make contact now what happens then well turns out the agent no longer has the same so if you are in any way connected to you entertainment in La this is something you're talking about right now constantly maybe more than you want relationship to big corporations honestly so basically I'm GonNa do is very quick writers are represented by the writers guild it's actually great union I was proud to be a member recently expired back now time for the rant wheel you know how it works you spin the wheel way rants on whatever topic it lands upon this week on the wheel we have jokes picture next to that argument mine was next to a Jumba juice but sure so for the fans at home John is fully this packaging packaging is that the agencies don't take that ten percent but they just own a bit of the show they get a bunch of different together own a piece of the show what's the production angle well the don't go anywhere love it or leave it there's more on the way and as always love it or leave it is brought to you by the cash up we love the cash out but zimbalist easiest ways almost certainly more than he wants to be hearing about it if you're not I do actually think is an important and worthy thing to know about in part because I think it's part of a larger conversation about at forty nine percent solid very specific very technical opposite for soup I hey people back or have your friends pay you back you download the cash I can't believe you haven't yet you put him to Copepod save or you put in the codes Spencer or the Code Spencer isn't real you get five dollars elation of their fiduciary responsibility to the clients that they are supposed to represent they're supposed to fight for their clients every single day now the agents say that's still what they're doing but all evidence mixture pro-life people got anti-abortion judges hitting that bench wearing wearing Schachter is he's from when he was on the Orlando Magic data parachuted that come where did that come from if you writer is going to do a project for the affiliated company at the talent agency the agency makes less money the more money a writers makes this is a direct commanding from these talent agencies is that they make more and more and more money no matter what happens to the people these town agencies are supposed to represent so anyway the voters this weekend I don't know the reason I think this is worth considering even if you say live more than seven miles from where I'm currently speaking into the microphone we have seen in and TV writers if our Union can't negotiate for fair pay for us it sends a really bad message to the rest of interest as their writers because sometimes there don't care that much about what's going to happen with your writing fee because they're not gonNA make the commission they're gonNa get the packaging fee on the whole project if it goes and nations over there over there writing jobs now for very long time writers in their agents had the same exact interest agents will go out there and try to get their writers the most amount of money possible from the studio the concerns of the Writers Guild as like Oh these are rich people wanting more money but I do think that it's important to remember that the writers guild is a labor union there's only so long the newsroom in sixteen hundred we're gonNA keep that healthcare going you know the WJ represents the writers the W has an agreement with talent agencies that represent the writers and they're gonNA go ends that are organizing for workers and I think that the writers guild leadership is fucking awesome and it is industry after industry the effect of private equity coming in and demanding more and more profit from companies you know if you go to the vet a lot of times you were. Veterinarian may have taken money from private of the country about the effectiveness of unions and the value of unions and it sends a bad message to corporations about how beholden they should be to Belabor equity you know we are your gym is taking on private equity like we are all surrounded by companies that are taking on investment and then those investors demand results and one of the things ooh that they fight for us all right let's go a woman named Joe Cameron who does not experience pain or anxiety and they have on agencies so that this is no longer allowed to the talent agencies that represent writers can no longer do packaging and have these outside studios that violate their fiduciary obligations and hire lawyers because they need somebody advocating just for them so there's going to be a vote this weekend right now we're WJ members can vote to say that they want a new agreement with the that I used one of my free articles on about I want you guys to take away from her story is she lives on Loch Ness gentrified the gene mutation that allows this to be so for a long time she didn't know that there was a real thing going on she just thought everyone packaging fees but what's happened to writer salaries those salaries have actually gone down and they've gone down in part because talent agents don't have the same incentives they use you and it's also I- writers and of having to hire managers it is landed on Joe Cameron suggested my Emily I submitted this you guys there's an article today in the New York Times it wasn't until very recently that she understood like Oh yeah the fact that I've never needed to take painkillers is weird and think how the fuck did she not end up just manifesting it out of nowhere like a normal person the most important thing else was a weak little bitch she literally described childbirth as like kind of a ticket the thing about her life but she also doesn't experience anxiety and they think that that's linked to the gene mutation and this is how unrelatable I find this person I and she ended up having to have hip surgery and she didn't know it because like her bones had deteriorated and she didn't notice because she doesn't feel pain this is the only because I'm like if I didn't have anxiety I would just worry that I said the wrong thing at a party because I didn't have anxiety stopping me from saying all the dumb shit that I oh and she would tell other people it's really not that bad this fucking bitch and Mitch McConnell is putting so many judges on that court they don't have enough fabric to make the ropes running on a rope fabric people going out there in in Knicks Jerseys these guys and I refuse to believe that that doesn't mean something about how she ended up this way Nazis involved when does life begin golly you know I know that one life begins at forty it's I don't know how I'm watching investigation the end that's been it again does and the agents would get ten percent that's the deal you get me the more money you make money I make money everybody's wins you call your agency a hey an agent's like I'll get it and then they can't conceptualize of someone not experiencing anxiety because the idea of me not experiencing anxiety gives me anxiety to the contrary the talent agencies many of which have been taken on huge amounts of outside investment money from private equity firms and others because they're so profitable right now then part they're profitable because of the other than the guy who works for her there basically everyone in and his white is is the fact that you know the racial sort of privilege that's inherent any writers or vote no on this fucking thing do you know anybody voting on this thing media now personally no what are you got emily it's really easy to dismiss those who are listening to this in their cars or perhaps on the subway there were a couple of hands that went up if you haven't watched it on HBO highly suggest that you spend time watching this Incredible documentary about Elizabeth Homes and the Bullshit Company that she invented called theranos which is a combination of two words that honestly I don't want to see gave her all the money in my wallet and she was like thank you John You won't regret it it is theranos thermos Thermos in Mykonos right had honestly I heard one word about this woman emily write a check and so I I just think that one of the things that the film to some degree I think leaves unexamined mainly because aww how dare the both of you you weren't there you didn't have are looking into your eyes unblinking linking I mean about this story that I thought I should share with you one I thought that it would be really really a very short documentary if I start in it because I thought but one thing they all have in common is these supposedly charismatic people in charge who everyone who meets them says they're captivating and then in a close by combining Stephen Moore and pence at NASA because they're both on my mind let's start with Stephen Moore Stephen Moore is a right wing hack he's a in it you know frankly there's no way in the world that these titans of industry and titans of government or going to believe someone who doesn't look like thinking about her story nor any word that she'd actually said out of her mouth which was compelling once I heard her speak but there are a few things that were interesting let on Sam Brownback for quite some time was the least popular governor in the country and that's saying something because we got fifty states and some of those guys are terrible up for gross because they were ordered to pay three hundred fifty thousand dollars in FCC violations more help designed the Kansas experiment the largest tax cuts the history of the state which was signed into law by former governor. I'm kind of new to this game frankly so I'm going to be on a steep learning curve myself about how the Fed operates how the Federal Reserve makes decisions it's hard for me to say even what my role will why he was nominated despite the fact that he's not qualified don't take my word for it here is what more has said since he was chosen by trump to be on the Fed quote uh-huh doc which I believe is suggested by Jameel Yes yes so who who has seen the inventor yes okay in the National Review Moore wrote I am convinced that the ordeal of soccer teaches our kids all the wrong lessons in life soccer is the Marxist concept of the Labor theory of value applied gene that like to tell you all that I'm like to try to sell to a lot of you and to say walgreens a lot of other companies and say I'm going to raise a whole bunch of money so a lot of options
A Mueller Walks Into A Barr
"Good evening. Loss Angeles look at your beautiful basis. Ten thirty on a Thursday. The people going to wake up for the fake cough tomorrow. I'm probably fine. But I don't want to chance. It don't wanna get everybody. Sick. It is lovely to be back at the improvisation prize show. We have a bunch of shows on the road coming up April tenth we'll be at Boston. Andrew Yang will be joining us. We got Yang part of our presidential candidates series excited about that gonna find out all about him. And I'm gonna ask about daylight savings time. Fabric about the filibuster. I asked him about daylight savings time. I don't make the rules. We will be in Texas may second in Houston may fourth in Dallas may fifth in Austin. I'm gonna say something I've said before about a place call Milwaukee people love seeing the show in Austin. They're very excited in Dallas can't get the people out of their houses in Houston. Just yet. Threaten Houston the same way threaten Milwaukee. Don't come the first time, you'll never get another chance. Threat issued. We also just announced in San Francisco at the Castro theatre will be there in September tickets for that one of the presale just ended and those are going to go fast. So if you're in San Francisco they wanna see my beautiful shining face. You can get those tickets right now, go to crooked dot com. Slash events. Check those tickets out. All right. So here, we are this show was not supposed to exist. We're supposed to be on a nice little love it or leave it break. All right. We take breaks did forty five shows last year, you people were completely ungrateful. No matter. How many shows we do in a row the first week without her show? You people are like you son up bitch. But we're here because on Friday, we learned that Robert Muller, or what happens if buzz light year in a laser disc copy of the untouchables have a baby. He turned in his report it was on. On CNN Jeffrey Toobin grabbed Gloria borger by the lapels and just started screaming on Fox News. Laura Ingram, Sean how did he use their shared key to unlock the caravan filled with terrorists emergency box their fingers hovering over a blinking red button. Don, jR, was sitting in his father's lap on the iron throne like status was about to take king's landing. And then we learned there were no more indictments. We learned that we wouldn't even see the report, but don't worry attorney general Bill bar was reading it over the weekend and writing up a four page summary. Fuck you summaries. No synopsis can properly capture any piece of content. On collusion. What did he say? He said investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government, and it's election interference activities on obstruction. While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime also does not exonerate him. While Muller chose not to reach a conclusion on obstruction. Bill bar had no such compunction. He said the special counsel's decision to describe the facts of his obstruction investigation without reaching any legal conclusions leaves it to the attorney general to determine whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime. Does it is that why? No how you people feel. I see at least fifty it's Muller time t shirts in here. He goes on to say deputy Torney general rod Rosenstein, and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the special counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the president committed and obstruction of Justice of fence. So Muller who led an investigation decided to reach no conclusion after forty eight months, but bar can do it after forty eight hours amazing impressive. So a lot of questions. We don't know what new information Muller gathered. We don't know what conduct Muller and his team discovered that may not be criminals. Just reprehensible unpatriotic and embarrassing. We don't know why Trump and those around Trump lied so brazenly and so often about contacts with Russia. We didn't even know the page count. Although we've learned now that this report which was summarized in four pages was at least three hundred pages long based on what we know it is somewhere between three hundred and nine hundred and ninety nine pages quite a spread. Listen, I'm a great procrastinator among the best. I am among the most it's hard to procrastinate as hard as I do and continue to have had gainful employments. But even I know that if you show up for a quiz having read the thirty page cliff notes of a three hundred page book, you may fail that quits. But you read a four page summary of that novel. You are fucks you don't know anything about catch twenty two. And Mr. Chachi ios gonna figure it the fuck out. And he's going to give you a D in English and your fourth quarter senior year, and there's a real chance you may not graduate. Hypothetically. The star report independent counsel, Ken Starr investigated. Former President Bill Clinton for obstruction of Justice. A his report was over four hundred pages it covered Clinton's allegations of obstruction. It had sensitive info in it. It had grand jury. Testimony had a deeply embarrassing personal information in it, including about Monica Lewinsky it read like fifty shades of grey, if it were written by a virgin, and they published you could buy in bookstores. I decided to look it up today. The New York Times bestseller list from October eighteenth nineteen ninety eight it is the most nineties thing ever number four under the Tuscan sun. By francis. Maine's number three into thin air by Jon Krakauer. Number two the perfect storm by Sebastian younger. What a great group of perf doesn't that capture a moment in time. We were very worried about whether and our ability to overcome it. You know, the big part of our lives thinking about boats waves cold avalanches that was what was on our minds the nineties heady time petScom. But the number one bestselling book on October eighteenth nineteen ninety eight was the fucking starboard. Forget show it to the public. They sold at Barnes and noble. We had a four page summary by Trump's handpicked attorney general who has radical views on presidential power who wrote an op-ed and a memo about of the president Geneva be targeted by special counsel investigation. And that he was right to fucking fire James Komi. This is who wrote the four page memo. Some people may have expected too much from Robert Muller. That guy has hand is right up in the air. His is beet red from sobbing all week. Those two people hugging each other and cuddling in the corner like the scene diehard vengeance. Where they think the schools about to explode that moment. You know, exactly what I'm talking about where that cool older guy grabs those kids huddle here because it's schools fucking blow. That's what that guy looks like. But taking bars analysis of Muller. Add face value is making the exact same stake in the opposite direction and Republicans are using bars conclusions to pretend that a there's no important information. We have seen and be that the evidence we have seen already the mounds of evidence of wrongdoing coordination lies that many indictments already issued the many Trump officials going to jail, including Trump's lawyer campaign manager and national security advisor, somehow doesn't matter or doesn't even fucking exist bar does not come from Trump's usual pool of job applicants which is CPAC. Speakers whose faces were two symmetrical for a Fox News contributor deal. So you have to soon he wrote the report under his report of the report is fucking book report under the assumption that it might be misleading, but it would technically comport with Muller's findings. But so okay. What does that mean? Well, I will close with some technically accurate and completely misleading summaries of a few movies. In fact, I'll show how the same summary can accurately describe two completely different movies. Are you ready? Zoo phases. Unexpected challenges head of its grand opening. We bought a zoo. Zoo faces unexpected challenges ahead of its grand opening drastic park. A woman learns to embrace motherhood despite concerns about the baby's father knocked up. A woman learns to embrace motherhood despite concerns about the baby's father Rosemary's, baby. I want you guys to know something. Ok this next one. I know. Just just know that for this next one. I know. When you're stuck inside. It can be hard to have fun. The cat in the hat. When you're stuck inside. It can be hard to have fun room. I told you that I knew and you didn't trust me. Hard to say, all right. And fair turns deadly fatal attraction, and affair turns deadly Titanic. And finally a man learns to survive with the help of a bear the jungle book. A man learns to survive with the help of a bear the revenue since. Four page summary. Let's start the show. Let's bring out our fantastic panel. She's a comedian and writer for shows such as high maintenance miracle workers and pods of America on HBO. Please welcome back. Meet you Hari. How you doing great? How're you? So good for the fans at home John's wearing cool shoes. You'll never see is. Thank you so much. You're welcome does your dress have shrimp on them. It's stream. Schools how he's a senior writer at Rolling Stone and his written for the New York Times square in Washington Post. Please welcome back Jimmy Smith. Meal. How you doing? I'm not too bad. It's opening day. Baseball's back. Baseball's now. You're in your element. You can watch comedy special ice thicken on comedy central and our album pasta is out now, and it's fantastic. Please welcome back, Emily Heller. Hi. Emily. I'm good. You forgot my most recent credit, which is I'm going to be a bond girl in the next JAMES BOND movie. All right. Let's get into it. What a week. Last week broader Muller announced he was ending his investigation. And it looked like we finally might be able to see as long awaited report, as we know we are not going to see that report unless we pry it from Donald Trump and Bill bars cold live hands. Here's what we know. The report is somewhere as I said between three hundred thousand pages we've only seen the four page summary. That makes message is that Trump is not exonerated on obstruction. But there was not enough evidence to bring charges on crimes related to collusion. The Trump people have all declaring victory. In fact, some people said this was the best day of his presidency. You should read some of the write ups which found that there were people hugging on the White House lawn that there have been celebrate Tori meals that Trump is walking around like the cock of the walk because he was not exonerated. But there were no new indictments that is a low fucking bar. I will now say that in a folksy way. The barber. Trump is so low we've got cockroaches plan. Limbo down here. I consider doing a southern accents. Well, and then did not do it. Could you not decide how you'd say? Cockroaches. Here's the thing. I've got the one accent, which is Ari on Huffington circa nineteen ninety nine that's and honestly, it's coming up less and less. Well, tease it and you don't do it. And the fans are going to be. You can go. What search terms what I use to Google at Hanmi, honest is nineteen ninety nine. All right. This week. It was a real bar is not plan releasing the full report he might release a summary of the report meeting the American people may never actually get to look at the report itself. It's obstruction obstruction. Jimmy, I'm gonna start with you. Why do you think bar chose this strategy of writing a four page summary with his own analysis and no plan to actually release the document in weeks if not months easy? I mean, he's done this because we live in a society that is obviously post fact, and he's done it, essentially. So we can put this whole debate into the arena that we see it. Now, we see it in Trump saying that okay, I've been exonerated. I live in the space in this arena where I can say that I've been exonerated. There's no collusion. All the stuff. You can live in that world. His people can live in that world and all the rest of us are living in the real world. Where actually doesn't say that. And we haven't read the report, and we can actually. Using critical thinking and in the thing is he's created this dilemma on purpose. Because if we just all got to read the report, if we all got simply see the facts laid out, then wait a minute. We're all dealing with the same set of facts. That's not how this Trump world works. You're dealing with a guy who is hired to defend the president. The report could be as long as note card. It doesn't matter. How long the report is what matters is the fact that Trump installed a guy who had published a report before he became the attorney general which criticized the investigation which said that it was illegitimate. And so he installed this guy. Put him in charge of the fucking investigation and said, hey, you go and handle this for me any handle it. There's a question around bar, right? Because bar is not what's his name. He's not Boras. Epstein he's not even Kellyanne Conway. He's not who's that social media guy that used to be the caddy. He's not as convenient type. He's had serious jobs in other administrations before he was put in place because he has radical views on presidential power, and it's already of investigations. And because he said, yes. But the fact that somebody would say yes to Trump to become his attorney general in the midst of the amount of scandal and malfeasance that's already been exposed tells you something about the job Bill bar plan to do. He said, yes. To the mess. Yes. To the mess. Yes. So the mass that mass he understood exactly what he was getting into understood exactly who who he was working for time. Lots of friends four pages or not it doesn't even begin to explain what is in the report doesn't begin to explain the criminal liability that he may have been exposed to what we're seeing. Now, of course is the utter lack of critical thinking not just in mass media, but throughout the country people saying all the Muller report says this and that no the bar letter says this and this guy's like, it's just not that difficult. I did we not learn anything. No. Have you ever asked? The question. Have we learned anything the answer? I know never. It's so rarely the I I know I know I know. Well, have you tried not being smart? Is it easy? I get dumber every day. And I'm loving it. Emily. Media this weekend. I think embrace this bar report took it at face value. There was a lot of hand wringing about previous reporting on collusion. There was a lot of accepting at face value idea that this was really good for Donald Trump and not a lot of reflection about the fact that we have seen multiple people already indicted through this investigation. The fact that there have been dozens of charges a lot of what we know has already come out shaking about Michael Cohen about Paul Manafort about gates about there's so many criminals. I forget about Flynn. How do we handle the heck that if everything we learned about the mullahs report over the past year and a half had come out on Sunday, including the four page bar memo? It would have been considered the worst day of Donald Trump's presidency. And yet a lot of people with a straight face said it was the best day of Donald Trump's presidency. Just that it came to a conclusion would you make? You can love me a softball here. I don't know. How do we deal with the fact that that we've just lowered our standards for what a good day for him, well, loader standards, and we're not good at dealing with the fact that sometimes life doesn't work like a movie where the most important information comes out at the end. Yeah. Well, I think that a big problem has been we have been treating this like a movie, but we've been treating it as the wrong genre of movie, we have been treating this as a superhero movie where we expect the good guys to win in the end. And what we needed to do was treated like a horror movie where we try in white knuckle and survive this shit's, that's the issue. Yeah. It is true. That like he just keeps standing up again and Jamie Lee Curtis just looks out our winters this fucking asshole doing this for thirty goddamn years. Amy, Jo, hey. I saw us and Martin short was in my theater. So. Twenty twenty great for me. Did he seem like he was having a good time? It is like having a good time with friends. I was friends. We really connected over that vaca-. We did not speak. So even given all that we know about the amount of wrongdoing, Moller expose men investigations still going on in New York in Virginia and at the state level, given how low a bar it is. I think there's a lot of liberals who despite knowing all of that did come out of this weekend feeling pretty bad in part because the media took this so faithfully and feel a little bit like well now we're waiting for the actual report. The Republican plan seems to be to take this moment. Declare victory lap. Even try to use it to flog people like Adam Schiff flog their own enemies. And then when the report eventually does come out, they'll say, it's old news, and we already learned the conclusions. How are you feeling about what we learned over the weekend? Well, I'm feeling pretty sad about the report not coming out for a whole host of reasons. But I do as always have my insiders in Washington who give me the scoop that John is probably not privy to because he doesn't have access the way that I do. And one of my awesome insiders hit me up with the awesome tip that somewhere within the report. There's little scavenger hunt with the prize at the end, and you get ten dollars to Starbucks of your choice in the greater DC area. And they're probably really sad that they don't get to do that Govender hut. So I think that's probably going on in DC right now. Everybody's. That they have to wait to do the scavenger hunt. They all about this guy was going to be this week. So we probably took a lot of occasion days, and they don't get scavenger hunt this week, and they're probably going to have to do next week, but they're going to do during their lunch break for work after work during the night, but someplace you can be closed during so people who don't have jobs. We'll probably be able to win this governor for people with jobs. So I think that's pretty much. That's my read on the temperature in Washington right now, that's for my reliable. Sources. I don't know what you're people are saying you've always hung with a much more unreliable crowd than mine. I've got eyes and ears all over the ground in Washington DC. So ruling for the report coming out. But I won't read it. Does that? Oh, no. That really really helps me understand better. What's going on? And I think that's not something anybody is yet talking about about what's going, really sad. Like the media should be talking about this. And they're really distracted. Well, I just think it's another classic case of Democrats fallen down on the job like they are two three to tell the truth to the American people because they're afraid of being called out by the Republicans in the media about this guy behind stand for something. Scavenger hunts are fun. Sometimes a whole bunch of teams are out in a part of town. And you're like, what are they up to that looks bucking awesome? Like, why did they get matching shirts? How far in advance was this planned, right? Yesterday. Will there's a few things never one never one. I really liked to know look if this actually does exonerate him as he says total exoneration that's what the president says. Then why the fuck does he like Vladimir Putin so much? Well. That's a real question. No, I think it's not just why is he so solicitous of Latimer Putin. Why were there so many brazen lies related to Russian involvement? Why does Michael Cohen go in line front of congress? Why does Mike Flynn light of the FBI? Why we're there so many connections between Russia and the administration wide as Paul Manafort send pulling information to Kalinic, why does this Trump Tower meeting take place? Why does Trump call on bladder Putin to hack Hillary Clinton's emails? Why why why does he invite the Russians into the Oval Office, and then brag about Comey's firing white is a list goes on. So there's that. But there's also I finally realized what this actually feels like. And that's why I think it was actually sad about this is, you know, frankly, I write about race a lot a lot, and you know. You know, I felt like when the cops get off after black man or black kid gets shot the cops get off and it because it's like the prosecutor was always working with the cops, you know, who's working little bit too closely with the cops all the time when the cases, and then he's put in charge of or she your she put in charge of prosecuting the comms, and it's like, okay, we know how that's going to end. And it's like well same thing with William bar one other piece of this. Last thing on this before we move on. You know, there's no question of how this will affect twenty twenty people saying like, this is an incredibly Donald Trump is now his chances of winning reelection have gone up. This was an incredibly important and positive development for him. And yet we just wanted election in two thousand eighteen we know the mullahs report in our hands, then Emily know, been two conversations around this one. Oh, wow. This is such a big important day for Donald Trump. And yet on the other hand people have said for very long time. We're not gonna win the election on these questions and finding out what happened is incredibly important. We were attacked by Russia. We didn't even mentioned the Moscow Trump Tower deal, and how that influence Trump's behavior during the campaign part of sometimes things that we're living in is not a horror, film or superhero movie. But just a terrible remake of the producers where his goal was to run the worst campaign in history while saying really positive things about Russia. So that he could get a fucking kick ass building in Moscow and then holy shit. He won. And now my God, I'm president. I don't get the tower and the money which is all I ever cared about. And I did all this shit with Russia. That people are going to find out about. Oh my God. I mean that tracks all of his like pro-nazi stuff too. It's time for Hitler in America. Right now. Oh my God. Did we just right? The more. This. Rian? All right. When we come back. Okay. Don't go anywhere. Who's more of love it or leave it coming up love it or leave? It is brought to you by butcher box. Came back more came can't get enough. And neither will you be able to get enough because butcher is offering finely ground beef that's cleaning delicious, and is taken from the most flavorful sections of the animal move over less full sections, the beat consists of trimmings from the sirloin and Chuck Todd. Which makes it so versatile cooks fast. So it's perfect for quick weeknight dinners right now. New members will get to pounds of this delicious ground beef for free in every box for the light of your subscription. That's right. Two free pounds of beef. And your beef bugs, this is your. Book your offer last year. 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I just remind everybody there were so many investigations into Benghazi right, which was a tragic event. But ultimately something blown out of our portion by Republicans trying to attack Hillary Clinton. This is an investigation into a foreign governments attempt to undermine our democracy at every level and to work with presidential campaign against democratic opponent. All right, an unpatriotic and potentially criminal act that may have changed the course of our country. I be like three investigations pretty low fucking number, right? Especially considering when nothing was done by this administration to stop them from doing it again. I mean, we need to understand this voter suppression. We need understand this foreign foreign interference not simply as for interference. But as voter suppression. They're trying to suppress votes. And if they're going to let them do it again, then that's how may he might win the next election. Republicans like really hate voter suppression. And in the end, they found nothing, but during that time this country the country there's supposed Donnie before we just wanted to hear the full run of nonsense here. So I just I think this is a really important thing that Fox News has done since Sunday. Which is I've seen these hosts say this again, and again, and again, I was flying back to LA and I happen to put on cable news on the airplane. And I was just like taken rips of cable like with it's just like say hi would never last just like take a head. It would wear off to another fucking hit. So sick that you would watch that on a plane plane, and that was that was better. Well, wait before you say that does Tucker Carlson. Eat a whole pizza by folding it up and shoving it into his mouth better. Because then it might be a PD not spoil green book. And yet you fi- at. All I was gonna say is this idea of found nothing is a why is gas lighting, you can argue that this outcome of this report is better for Trump than what was expected, and you can argue that the lack of charged crime on collusion is a big deal. Totally reasonable argument. What you can say is because there was no new indictments. They happened on Sunday to argue that nothing came from these investigations is just untrue. And he's basically relying on the fact that Fox News audience a wants that to be the case and be we'll take him at his word because they have been so adult and pushed around by this network for so long. They probably believe it, the actual elevations have been so poorly covered here that they may not even fully know about them that they can actually say with a straight face these investigations produce nothing when there are people going to jail right now from these investigations there are multiple ongoing criminal proceedings from these investigations taking place right now palm out of in jail right now. Is in a prison cell. All right. No Hermes ties Paul Manafort right now. It's comparable to saying like going to a fireworks show, and they're being a bunch of fireworks. And the whole time you're waiting for the big finale, and then the big finale doesn't happen. And then Fox News like there were no fireworks. That's exactly right, obviously, immeasurably worse. Suicide drug OD's are up. Life expectancy is falling. The borders are a mess. We have no clue who lives in this country. Okay. Okay. Okay. Y'all heard what he's doing? Right. You heard. Right. Okay. So we have no clues living in this country. After all the problems suicide drug abuse. We have no clue who's living in this country. No idea the schools are joke. You wouldn't send your kids to if you had a choice infrastructure is from bling hundreds of thousands of American sleep outside every night. Who's president? The last two and a half years. Subway, barely works. The largest city in the United States, smells like garbage. What is building Blasio the mayor talking about he's ranting about Putin? Okay. Stop. Jerry Seinfeld up in here with the observations airplane food was next if we kept going I just love the idea that like while there were three congressional there was three ongoing investigations one of the department of Justice one of the intelligence committee one on the Senate one of the house. America had. Problems. The city smells like garbage my bathroom, smells, like shit. The banners still no charges related to Russia collusion, and he's talking about DC smelling bad. Wait was he talking about DC? New york. Oh, sorry. I lost track. It's crazy 'cause he was making so many salient point. So it doesn't make sense that you lose. It is very. It is how do you watch this networks stupid just say that New York, smells, like something? New York has eight million people in it. It contains vast bath smells of every type. That's what makes it New York live there. I mean, he lives in version of New York that none of us have been to. Sure, no. This has been a disaster. How can we let the people who are responsible for it continues? If it never happened. How can Eric swell? Adam Schiff, keep their seats in the house representatives. They should resign. Okay. Okay. Everybody just for the record for listeners the picture on the screen is a picture of Donald Trump junior with a terrible beer. I just wanna say because we are currently sitting in Adam shifts district right now. He is my congressman. And I don't want to speak for all of us. But this guy's not going anywhere. And it's true. The next person we're about to hear from this don't junior leader of the tinfoil hat brigade. Adam Schiff out there every day talking about the evidence of collusion that he's seen. He's flagrantly lying to the American people. He's doing it every day on national television. He's gotten more airtime amazingly enough than Michael avenue. Okay. Burn. Good burn, burn, burn burn. They're about the same level of credibility. And there's no accountability for that Tucker because when you're on that side, and you have the media carrying your water for you. You can say whatever you want when you're on our side. Okay. Wait a minute. I defer I feel like he just sorta showed us his hand a little bit. Yes, he projected. When you have the media on your side. And your dad is the president you can say whatever you want. Even steal a beard from among purred, nobody to a word. Even when you're proven. So there's a level of cope ability. There are repercussions for being a conservative that you don't face. If you're on the other side. What do you think that what you think Harney? Having trouble following it. Because John junior sunscreen sort of blackout I get so turned on jealous of his women. I I was at Penn at the same time. Is that dude? Classmates with Don jR. I mean, I was in classmates with him. I didn't like you were with down junior. I was not room. Oh, you were. Brains. No, I was not you were the best mad at Don. Juniors recognize you from somewhere. I was the flower girl spreading me slanders lies. All right. That's okay. Stock. We come back. A look back on the criminals to whom we are saying goodbye. Don't go anywhere. Love it or leave it more on the way love it or leave. It is brought to you by calm. How long does it take you to fall asleep too long? I did love it or leave. It this. Joe? You're listening to a weight show. We added because of his Muller bullshit. All right. 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But we thought we look back on just how much criminality Muller has already exposed with a look back knows we arrested along the way in a segment we are calling in four page memo Aurium. Meteo kick us off. Let's raise a glass to the man the myth, the black ledger legend, Paul Manafort, the feds may have taken his freedom, but they could never take his dignity. He did that himself. When he answered this question. So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs twenty seven. That's what that's obviously with our positions. And while Manafort may have committed fraud laundered money tampered with witnesses and avai to taxes. You have to admit that. He did it all where we're wearing the hell out of her mess tie. Which probably only made the Russian oligarchs he owed millions to angrier, and it's not like Russian oligarchs are famous for being too. Also, let the record reflect that Travis tried to insert a joke about Manafort, suits. But love it took it out because he genuinely believes that Manafort looked good in those suits. I don't care let the record reflect that this is not on the cards. But be true things. That's really. I don't care. I'll keep going. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care men aboard small from graceful serve as a reminder to lobbyists that as long as you're toll white man with gravelly voice who can pull off a double breasted suit may God forgive John Lovett. You can commit white-collar crimes for decades. Paul Manafort will not be missed. We'd keep insulting him. But there's a five percent chance. He escapes like El Chapo, and you know, the feds didn't find all the money and still manafort's confiscated cash means the Muller investigation turned a profit to capitalism and to Paul who John's in love with. Let's have a toast, the douchebag. Let's have a toast to the assholes. When Kanye west said that he was of course, speaking of Roger stone. A man who has been part of every single crime since like, the Lindbergh baby to be honest. We should probably look into him for that to Roger looks like a rejected dick Tracy villain and acts like how a polyester couch feels. A man who was told by Joe to shut up and he was so bad at being quiet. He posted a picture of the judge with a cost hairs in it on Instagram. Classic guy who needs the last word, which means guy. You've been charged for lying to congress obstruction of Justice and witness tampering. But the worst crime committed was having a Nixon bacteria to be your thing. He will not be missed to Roger Roger to Roger to add. Put those glasses in the sky and repeat after me champagne for real friends and real pain for the twelve Russian intelligence agents tied to hacking, the DNC I think we all remember where we were when Muller dropped the bombshell news that he would be indicting twelve Russian intelligence agents who hacked the DNC and the Clinton campaign it really felt like time stopped that day. But, hey, at least they went down doing what they loved committing computer crimes in an attempt to sabotage national election, and ultimately damage the United States is standing on the world stage without ever actually having to worry about being arrested because Putin was super into it. What Trump have been elected without them. We'll never know that's part of the fun of this cable drama. We live in the 'ambiguities. But we do know that without their hard work. We would never have learned John Podesta's secret to a creamy risotto, which would then be interpreted by psychopaths for years to come as a secret code for pizza. Parlor pedophilia party. So next time you're running a massive identity theft operation breaching, Hillary Clinton's Email server or just fomenting division online. Take a moment to poor one out for Guja for and the gang. They will not be missed to twelve Russian intelligence agents. Some people think that's niches get stitches. But in the case of Michael Kohn snitch has actually get our well wishes. Let's bid due to Michael Cohen Trump's personal Livia pope, if Livia pope was banned from the grotto at the playboy mansion for reasons, Hugh, Hefner was even barris allowed. Is that true? You're not sure. It's not true. But it could have been sure Michael Cohen pled guilty to eight counts, including campaign finance violations, tax fraud, Bank fraud and went on national television to call himself a coward. And he only discovered the difference between right and wrong at fifty years old. But he also looks like it. Everybody loves Raymond had a third brother who was always bothering rate to drive into the methadone clinic, and then tried to get Debra Cuko knives on the drive home. So let's raise a glass to long island's proud sun to Michael Cohen. You will not be this. And that's in four page memorium. All right. When we come back. We'll play a game instigated by mayor Pete. Don't go anywhere. Who's more of love it or leave it coming up? And we're back. With Muller season, ending the spinoff known as the twenty twenty election is upon us. And as Democrats talking about real important issues that have never been discussing American politics before issues like breaking up, Google, Amazon, and how big agriculture's destroying the small farmer or how maybe it's time just are taking reparations seriously. Enter mayor Pete Duda judge a man who finally answers the question. What if the kid from king Arthur's court ran for president? Don't worry. I have other versions of that joke ready. Mayor buddha. Judge a man running to become America's first gay president with a straight haircut. Mayor buddha. Judge a presidential candidate running on the platform of reminding the teacher, she forgot to collect homework. Mayor Pete Buddha. Judge a man who thinks he could be president. Despite the fact that the word, but is in his name mayor Pete Buddha. Judges thirteen year old boy is currently in Zoll tar wish machine situation. Buddha jet precocious boy wonder who's getting college credit for his presidential campaign, mayor Buddha. Judge the presidential candidate who shamelessly panders to the white working class by speaking seven languages and being in accomplished concert pianist mayor be Buddha judge the presidential candidate with the nita's handwriting mayor Buddha. Judge who is like RoboCop except the scientists we're trying to build a jeopardy contestant. And finally mayor Buddha. Judge the only gay person. Mike Pence is sad is going to hell. I don't even know what we're doing. All right. We love mayor mayor came out with a controversial opinion. However, declaring that a hotdog is not a sandwich. Well, we wanna ask the audience and our panel what they think in a game. We're calling Buddha judge or Buddha. Judge. Here's how it works. I'll ask you a question, and you give me an answer. And then the panel will discuss for while and decide if you're right or wrong with someone out there liked to play the game. Hi, what's your name, Gali Gali? Yes. Like, Molly with G. Golly. That's a cool name. Golly. Hi. Are you ready? I'm nervous good. Question. Number one is a hotdog a sandwich. No. What do you think? I agree. There's. I agree. It's not a same pink last night. So I can confirm. I think it's not a sandwich because there's not a Brown top and bottom. I agree. It's on the side. And the side is on the side and the side, and that's pathetic. That's literally what a sandwich is bright on each side. And there's meet in the middle. No, no, that's not not on the side of sandwich. The bread is on the top and the bottom of sandwich questions on the side of way. In the middle of the show. I have a question. Are you suggesting to this audience and to God that if I take a sandwich, and I turn it in the ninety degrees? Yes. Yes. It will fall apart. Because falls apart out. How you assemble? Let me ask you this. It's about the position. Okay. For y'all hotdog can sit like that. Right. Hot dog. First of all. Here's a hot dog is not a fucking sandwich. We're debating it. Reached adulthood without having a conversation about it because it's not a fucking sandwich. Eighty experiment. And I just want to say how sad it is. For me to see the two men on stage band so aggressively against the women on stage in two thousand nineteen over a phallic symbol over simple. They're man's planning the sandwich situation men, send with mints land witching? Golly. You were winning. All right. Lightning round on that question. Hamburgers much. Yes. So hamburgers. Yes. Yes. Of course. So I'm sorry sandwich. House. Oh how. Long standing up the right way. There's two exactly. I know that I sound insane. No. I don't know that you do. I don't know that. Here's the thing. Guys. Here's what I'm going to say all right sandwich. Nece is in a federal and hard to define category sandwich. Nece? I think a hot dog has a fair amount of sandwiches. It's a sandwich. Hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey, is the subway sandwiches sandwich? I'm sorry. That Bunn comes in all versions, sometimes sometimes they it used to be at subway back in the day. They didn't slice it down the middle. They cut like a wedge out stuff to tuna who another layer on top closed it like a cave of tuna. Was that a sandwich? I mean, if it's like an Challah, gee, if it's a short if it's a shirt where sandwiches up here and hot dog is down here. Subway sandwiches over here. It's got a north south west situation. Next question. Golly. I'm ready is coleslaw salad. I think it is. It's a it's a cold salad much like a pasta salad. Well, okay. Okay. Question is pasta salad. Want to go with pasta salad is in the solid section at sue plantations? So pasta solid is out the good people at a really named restaurants there. The Arbor's are fucking tabular. Protein. There you go that whole salad by the best protein is a little bit of loose tuna. Okay. To me about sue plantation. Like, I don't know that place like my elementary school. I can draw picture of the soup plantation next to argument. Mine was next to John juice. But sure so for the fans at home, John is fully breaking out in hives. We do. I get to weigh in on those these do I believe in like adapting as language changes in its uses. And I think that it's been a good fifty years since salad has meant salad because people used to call jello salad in the fifties. And it's been like seventy years since then. So I think we need to give up on trying to define things around of being salad. You know, what I think? That's right. I I love I love. I love language descriptive, est. All right. I love the idea of the ordinary the way we use the word. I'm very into it does not apply to hotdog for. Say that is not the way to get out of the I want you to know something. I want you to know something this is the movie the edge. And I walked you right up to that bear fall. And I was like stepping back and seven back, and you almost fell in. But you know, I know I know how logic works. It's it's been seventy years since alad didn't mean salad. It's been one week on the internet since hot dot like since sandwich changed. So you know, what we'll revisit this a few decades. Okay. Next question. Let's make a promise to. Back here in thirty years. We see if people are calling hotdog sandwich. None of us are married. Do we win that round? Maybe who gives a shit. Golly. You got it. All right next question next question. And there's gonna be quick chilly a soup. Oh, no. It's not no Chile is like a warm blanket, Stu. It's warm blankets to not. It's warm blankets to if you look at the dictionary. It's in the category bike, it's at least fifty one percent liquid forty-nine percent solid. Very specific very technical by opposite. But I I I am an MBA the liquid has to have a controlling share of the. Me. Look, Emily has assumed by sheer tenacity via th- authority on these matters. But I would be interested in what you have to say. Well for me. I believe that anything can be a salad. You just say, Sal, we'll go back to salad so saying about and I was like what is cream can be a salad right ice cream salad because that's something that you can weaponize. So I'm actually I'm standing outside the door today. And I am actually running a new fitness center slash dia campaign sort of like Jenny Craig situation, but us call everything salad. It costs two hundred thousand dollars a month. And I think you guys would absolutely should door it. So if you're interested absolutely hit me up, I will be sending outside with my mailing lists. And you cannot leave the building if you don't sign up, and I don't think chili soup, and I will fight anyone to the death in the parking lot. If you disagree with me. Well, let's so golly, you got it. Why don't question when does life begin? Golly. You want? I know that one life begins at forty. Golly. Won the game in a Paris you'd give card. That is not the best way to get Pete Buddha. Judge to finally come on his show. We come back the rant wheel. Don't go anywhere. Love it or leave it more on the way. And as always love it or leave. It is brought to you by the cash out. 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And we're back. Now, it's time for the rant wheel you. Now. It works. You been the wheel rants on. Whatever. Topic? It lands upon this week on the wheel. We have Joe Cameron a woman who feels no pain or ings -iety. We have Email, newsletters, we have Onny and suggestions you guys can shout. Something March madness agency packaging, very hot very specific right now the theranos documentary, Stephen Moore, Donald Trump nominated for the fed and Mike Pence's speech about NASA, spin it. It is landed on agency packaging. Very cool topic for people listening outside of Los Angeles. But. So if you are in any way connected to you entertainment in LA. This is something you're talking about right now constantly maybe more than you want almost certainly more than he wanted to be hearing about it. If you're not I do actually think is an important and worthy thing to know about in part because I do think it's part of a larger conversation about our relationship to big corporations. Honestly. So basically, I'm gonna do is very quick writers represented by the writers guild. It's actually a great union. I was proud to be a member recently expired because there's only so long the newsroom in six hundred Penn we're gonna keep that healthcare going. You know? The WJ represents the writers. The WJ has an agreement with talent agencies that represent the writers negotiations over there over there. Writing jobs now for very long time writers in their agents had the same exact interest agents go out there and try to get their writers the most amount of money possible from the studios and the agents get ten percent. That's the deal. You get me. The more money you make money I make money. Everybody's wins. You call your agents. Hey, hey, an agents like get it. And they get the money. You know, that's how it's supposed to work. But in recent years, there's been a growing trend of two things one it's called packaging and to its agencies having production company. So what is packaging packaging is that the agencies don't take that ten percent? But they just own a bit of the show que they get a bunch of different towns together, and they own a piece of the show. What's the production angle? Well, the agencies also have little affiliated production companies or studios, and they actually make content. Now, what happens then well turns out the agent no longer has the same interest as their writers. Because sometimes there don't care that much about. About what's going to happen with your writing because they're not gonna make the commission. They're going to get the packaging fee on the whole project. If it goes, and if you writer is going to do a project for the affiliated company at the Talladega see the agency makes less money the more money. A writer's makes this is a direct violation of their for do -ciary responsibility to the clients that they are supposed to represent they're supposed to fight for their clients every single day. Now the agents say that's still what they're doing. But all evidence to the contrary the talent agencies many of which have been taken on huge amounts of outside investment money from private equity firms and others because they're so profitable right now than part, they're profitable because of these packaging fees, but what happened to writer salaries, those salaries have actually gone down and they've gone down in part because talent agents don't have the same incentives. They used to and it's also writers and of having to hire managers and hire lawyers because they need somebody advocating just for them. So there's gonna be a vote this weekend right now, we're WJ members can vote to say that they want a new agreement with talent agencies. So that this is no longer allowed to the town agencies that represent. Writers can no longer do packaging and have these outside studios that violate their do Sherry obligations. The reason I think this is worth considering even if you say live more than seven miles from where I'm currently speaking into this microphone. We have seen in industry after industry the effect of private equity coming in and demanding more and more profit from companies. You know, if you go to the vet a lot of times, your veterinarian may have taken money from private equity. You know, we are your gym is taking on private equity. We are all surrounded by companies that are taking on this investment. And then those investors demand results and one of the things that they're Manding from these talent agencies is that they make more and more and more money. No matter what happens to the people. These town agencies are supposed to represent so anyway, the voters this weekend. I don't know any writers. No on this fucking thing. Do you know anybody voting on this thing maitre now personally know, what do you got me? It's really easy to dismiss the concerns of the writers guild as like, oh, these are rich people wanting more money, but I do think that it's important to remember that the writers guild is a labor union and TV writers if our union can't negotiate for fair pay for us. It's. A really bad message to the rest of the country about the effectiveness of unions and the value of unions, and it sends a bad message to corporations about how beholden they should be to the labor unions that are organizing for workers. And I think that the writers guild leadership is fucking awesome. And it is cool that they fight for us. All right. Let's get. It is landed on Joe Cameron suggested by Emily I submitted. This you guys there is an article today in the New York Times that I used one of my free articles on. About. A woman named Joe Kamran who does not experience pain or anxiety, and they have identified the gene mutation that allows this to be so for a long time. She didn't know that. There was like a real thing going on. She just thought everyone else was a weak little bit. She literally described childbirth as like kind of a tickle. And she would tell other people it's really not that bad. This fucking bitch. And it wasn't until like very recently that she understood like, oh, yeah. The fact that I've never needed to take painkillers is weird. And she like ended up having to have hip surgery, and she didn't know it because like her bones had deteriorated, and she didn't notice because she doesn't feel pain. This the only bad thing about her life, but she also doesn't experience anxiety, and they think that that's linked to the gene mutation, and this is how unrelatable I find this person. I can't conceptualize of someone not experiencing anxiety because the idea of me not experiencing anxiety gives me anxiety because I'm like if I didn't have anxiety. I would just worry that. I said the wrong thing at a party because I didn't have exile eighty stopping me from saying all the dumb shit that. I think how the fuck does. She not end up just manifesting it out of nowhere like a normal. Ersan. The most important thing that I want you guys to take away from her story is she lives on Loch Ness. And I refuse to believe that that doesn't mean something. About how she ended up this way Nestle's involved. I don't know how I'm watching investigation. The end. But been it again. It is on the theranos doc, which I believe is suggested by Djamil. Yes. Yes. So. Who here is seeing the inventor? Yes. Okay. For those who are listening to this in their cars or perhaps on the subway. There were a couple of hands that went up. If you haven't watched it on HBO, I highly suggest that you spend time watching this incredible documentary about Elizabeth homes and the bullshit company that she invented called theranos, which is a combination of two words that honestly I don't want to care to remember right now hairpin diagnosed. Option. If you combine them was dia P, I thought it was I thought it was gonna be. Remiss thermos and Mykonos, right? Honestly, I heard one word about this woman. Anything about her story nor anywhere in word that she'd actually said out of her mouth, which was compelling once I heard her speak, but they're few things that were interesting about this story that I thought I should share with you one. I thought that it would be really really a very short documentary. If I start in it because I thought that if I tried something like this coming out of school, if I dropped out of Penn and said, you know, what I'm going to try to raise a lot of money based upon a machine that like tell you all that. I'm like to try to sell to a lot of you and to say, Walgreens, and a lot of other companies and say, I'm gonna raise a whole bunch of money and start a company have all bunch of employees. And by the way, none of you can see how it works. Get Jim Madison board. I don't think that I would get. My family write a check. And so I just think that one of the things that the film to some degree. I think leaves unexamined mainly because other than the guy who works for her there, basically everyone in and his white is is the fact that you know, the racial sort of privilege that's inherent in it. The you know, frankly, there's no way in the world that these titans of industry and titans of government or going to believe someone who doesn't look like her. We live in a golden age of scammers. It doesn't matter. Whether it's para nose or fire festival or a wall between the US and Mexico. But one thing they all have in common is these supposedly charismatic people in charge who everyone who meets them says they're captivating. And then when I see them speak. I'm like, that's the least charismatic person say so crazy every single one of these people you fucking suck leave the room you introduce you know, what how dare the both. View you weren't there. You didn't have her looking into your eyes unblinking gang. I mean, I gave her all the money in my wallet. And she was like, thank you, John. You won't regret. It. Let's minute again. All right. I'm gonna close by combining Stephen Moore and Pence at NASA because they're both on my mind. Let's start with Stephen Moore. Stephen Moore is a right wing hack. He's a green room right wing creature. He's been around forever used to be at the club for growth. They had a run him out of there. He was nominated by Donald Trump to the fed not because he's qualified. He's not qualified. But just because he says the kinds of things on television that Donald Trump likes most fed nominees are actually economists PHD's more only an economics comedian, this profession as writer. He was kicked out of the club for gross because and they were ordered to pay three hundred fifty thousand dollars FEC violations. More help design the Kansas experiment, the largest tax cuts the history of the state which was signed into law by former governor Sam Brownback economic growth in Kansas plummeted, the job growth rate fell to less than fifty percent of the national average was such a massive failure that the GOP let's state legislature overrode the governor's veto to repeal it and Sam Brownback for quite some time was the least popular governor in the country. And that's saying something because we got fifty states and some of those guys. Are terrible Morris. The US should return to the gold standard. Guest op Ed by more in the Kansas City star was so full of factual errors. He's now banned from the paper in the national of you Moore wrote. I am convinced that the ordeal of soccer. Teachers our kids all the wrong lessons in life. Soccer is the Marxist concept of the labor theory of value applied to sports, which may explain why socialist nations dominated the World Cup. What makes peewee soccer particularly in cities. Is that boys and girls play together? No, one seems to care much co Ed sports is doing irreparable harm to the psyche of America's little boys. It's true in the Washington Times. Stephen Moore wrote that Trump deserves a Nobel prize in economics, not the Nobel peace prize. He said Trump should get the prize. They award for outstanding research in the field of economics, which is why he was nominated despite the fact that he's not qualified. Don't take my word for it. Here's what more has said since he was chosen by Trump to be on the fed quote. I'm kind of new to this game. Frankly. So I'm going to be on a steep learning curve myself about how the fed operates how the Federal Reserve makes us decisions it's hard for me to say, even what my role will be there assuming I get confirmed. Don't worry guys Ben says hero of the institution has already said he'll vote for more because it's making their Brousseau. Angry burn the economy the ground to own the lips which leads me to Mike Pence and the conversation about space. Here's why. So this is a nomination to the fed. It's an incredibly important position. It's. Not meant for a partisan hack. It's very serious, right? The fed is one of those things that's quietly in the background making some of the most important decisions that affect us every single day that doesn't get covered in that way. Right. We talk about congress talk about the tax code monetary policy affects all of our lives every single day. This guy has no business being on the fed which brings me to Mike Pence who said this week in a speech that the US will return to the moon by any means necessary. So options there strapping some people to an ICBM missile would get it done. Technically, I raised this bit of nonsense because he didn't say how we were going to do what he said he wants to do within five years. Here's what John F Kennedy said we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things not because they are easy. But because they are hard because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept when we were unwilling to postpone and one which we intend to win. My pen says we're going to moon will use a trip shave. We have to. And the only reason I wanna connects even more to Mike Pence is going to get off this fucking planet. All right because here's the bottom line. And look Stephen Hawking's is dead. But he would agree with me. I'm gonna paraphrase Stephen hawking, we will escape this planet, or we will all fucking die here. And by the way, I don't think it's going to be a mediator. I don't think it's going to be the son getting too big and the oceans boiling and fifty million years. I think we're going to do it, and it sooner than we think. So we get off this buck and rock we gotta go live on the moon. And I don't trust Mike Pence to get us there. We got a figure this shit out. And here's the thing. Space policy has been a mess for a very long time. Honestly that space shuttle, it was cool, but it kind it was a mistake. Because the words shuttle is the kind of thing you take at the airport and everything about the space shuttle was boring except the price tag it cost. Just as much as super adventure space time. But it made it seem like we're just catching a ride between terminally and terminal be still fucking deadly still incredibly hard, but everybody got super Boorda's space, and nobody pays attention to it. We don't even have the capability of the government to get people into space anymore. We had to rely on the Russians for a while. I don't know what you on most is up to. But I don't think we've put all fucking basket. We gotta get off this planet. The goal the goal in all seriousness is to get further away from this planet for longer and longer. Periods of time until we other technology for human beings to live in space indefinitely. Nobody is focused on that goal because we can barely get up. God damn ground anymore. And that's our show. I want. Jamuna smith. Major Hari Nancy Pelosi you guys all coming out too late show a great night.
192 w/ Jane Coaston "One Night In Tulsa, A Fool Proof Plan"
"Warning this program typically features respectful nuance, commentary, strong language, obscure pop, culture, references and serious allegations. No new methods of attack. Another exciting installment of the Fifth Column Podcast. This is your weekly rhetorical assault on the new cycle. The people that make it occasionally ourselves uncomedic Foscari. I feel like I'm talking fast. I'm not sure. But I do various things free think they are important. They're still mysterious and I'm delighted to be with you. I'm joined by League of extraordinary humans and I'm so so happy to be doing this again. Really honestly this is. Not the best part among other things I enjoy more, but I do like being joined by Matt Welsh editor at large res Magazine. My very good friend Michael Moynihan had to say because I forgot but Michael Moynihan. WHO said `vice-leader quickly recovered by. Iran because you can read. About you guys a mistake. There's a little too much isn't overstatement. I remember the way you spoke harshly. The last time we recorded together asshole. That was the last couple of times. During the day. Literally lost causing. To a southern is not. Smooth. To See Southerner IRA, can I? Just I was like hold on. What. His crazy this this is what happens mischaracterization of my position true. Who mischaracterize my positions talks. Jane Coasting Senior Senior, editor writer at Voss. Yes senior. Editor Vox also resident, not yet edited. Look at this I'm going to try one more time because I. Keep promoting her CEO of box, folks. Who is also senior politics writer, and who is also the resident Conservative whisperer? She knows what you people are thinking and yes I, said you. People Jane Mangareva joining us for a second time. Thank you so much for happiness. Thank you. How is everyone doing well? My question for you Camille is. Given, how fast you're talking is. When did you take the adderall? Was it like ten minutes or what was the timing? I was GONNA. Say when he's like I. Do some things thing. took the adderall only fifteen milligrams, and I took it at like seven thirty, a m so own only fifty. I mean it. The prescription says thirty sister okay. Craft not not to get too deep into this, but yeah, that's a very moderate. especially if you took. Kids at Vox or is it? Funny. So I, I was diagnosed with Adhd, when I was a kid, and so they gave me Ritalin and then later in college. People are like Oh, so they just like. Give this to you. Know they don't give it to me, but yes, so, but like the dose. Who Very popular I was, there was a brief point, but. Where people get very excited about something I was not planning on doing, but yet no, the dosage sounds about right so tariff. I mean you never sleep numbs? I don't swimming. I get. In actually three in the morning they wake me up. And I always think that somebody's like. Like with your pupils, dinner and the dinner plates and they're the same thing. Except He's. Right. What is this guys named Bubba sparks? Driver I see actually. BUBBA sparks, but I like that more, but but BUBBA BUBBA apparently found some sort of. Device. In his garage, it was someone in his garage. Who then told him? We found a noose in your garage and the FBI came out today, or it's like Oh. That's been up since twenty thousand nineteen and they couldn't have possibly known that it would be his garage, which raised a lot of new questions because it's it was interesting because. Coming at a time or NASCAR's having this debate about the confederate flag and people are trying to. Fly to the confederate flag over and a well-known driver son son put something on facebook about how he wanted to like essentially lynch this guy and so everybody. It's also one of those moments in which a lot of people are opining NASCAR for the very first time. ADDS. That is why I haven't been like. This is probably not a moment for me to say anything at all. Because this is the world like I'm just. This is not my. This is not my spaeth. Thing that. No one says anymore I in the lesson of all these things is why don't we just hold on? Genuine going back tweets from yesterday. People who call this the Jesse's Malek type incidents are monsters then like you're all. Just shut up and let it play. By the way if you see. Something hanging if I was him. See what happens when I let it? Let it play out. Moynahan is I. Get scooped because the FBI swings swings into action and. figure out that it's a hoax. Before I have an opportunity to shop on podcast and say you know what not hope is not. Just as Ari I'm sorry you're right, not a hoax necessarily. To leap to conclusions. Yeah yeah, Elliot, but I can't engage in Wallace to. Papua Wallace. At interesting also because he is. The only. Black driver in Nascar right now ed I think that there is just. One of those challenges in which how he handled that at how he was supposed to handle that well being so observed I. Do not envy him at all I do not like you I cannot imagine being at the center of something especially when it's something to which people have deep emotional attachments, I think that people's emotional attachments of the confederate flag is stupid, but I recognize that people have that emotional attachments and I understand that like this is especially even just talking about Nascar General. I when I was a sports writer. wrote about the NFL read about college. Football and I read a little bit for Espn Magazine About College basketball, but mostly. The history of people trying to use college basketball to gamble. And like the history of these crazy scandals that have taken place in college basketball, involving universities that no longer exists if you go back to early nineteen fifty s university of New, York that no longer does basketball. National Championships like half. That team got thrown out for like really agreed. Just point shaving. Like, and it's nineteen fifties. Point Shaving, so I can't even imagine what the actual scoring took. When the final score! Twelve. Bob At Boston. College still exists. Check still. It does one of my favorite white ball. Point shaving scandal that was people went to jail for like a long. Yeah, there's a giant thing. Got A lot of. Very busy very productive and I think the man the guy who. Delivered that cash to those players, I think. Why do you might have been involved? As was was Henry Hill, Subject. And, that's yeah. He's better his book like. I'm I mean I understand why Martin Scorsese? It didn't randomly be like and just a quick aside over here. You Know Point Eric Clapton Song and into point shift. which you know I, that could've works by understand why it didn't. But yes, it was the Whitey bulger story, also apparently featured, numerous other famous gangsters, which again makes me sad that the Johnny Depp Whitey Bolger movie was very bad it was. Not a plane and you don't likes your expectations for playing. Movies are like if your expectations for a movie are here and you're and it's like. Okay and I noticed it was bad on I'll international. The by the book, not based on. It's actually not very good. Now sold like a billion copyright back. And Gerald, O'Neil I reviewed for the Wall Street Journal a booker he wrote about. About the Irish and I gave it a very very bad review, so so don't read that only so that's your recommendation, but not only give you one more thing about the situation and that is that I. did hear an interview with Bubbas, mom on the Joe Madison Radio. Show Joe Madison who refers to himself as the Black Eagle. And I believe his show is on serious or yeah. Sirius Xm, because it's only one network now. But his mom was describing circumstance where she said this happens all the time that it is routine for her son to be called a nigger by other people on the track that just happens, and he's always dealing with things like this. and honestly when I first heard about the rope I thought to myself, this story doesn't sound right, but certainly when I heard his mom say that I said that just does not sound persuasive at all the considering NASCAR like. The car there are cameras and like the racers are on radios. Of stuff that just makes it really improbable that people are using the N. Word with reckless abandon in the midst of NASCAR races. People who read much on the line that seems weird. I read the New York Times piece on him. They got into so with NASCAR, and it's any form of auto racing. They're numerous steps. You take to get to it so if you raise Formula One you start out in. States you might go from indy-car if you're in. Europe might go through other developmental phases, but she mentioned in the new. York Times piece that this was something. They dealt with a lot when he was a kid. They dealt with when he was. Getting getting into stockcar racing as you might imagine, especially stockcar racing on the south may not be the most fun environment to be a man, and so I think that that experience where at at the Nascar level I think that that's one of the things that interests me about NASCAR is. It is a billion dollar enterprise that is still trying to pretend like. It's the sport that it used to be one. It was based on like rum runners trying to get away from the Fed. And like they, you know they call back to these legends like Richard Petty and Others A Canon Ball. Off But. Then you know this is sport that is. Very much it is the line between what it once was. And what a lot of people think of it as being what it wants to be like. NASCAR wants to be this like. Both I kinda family, entertainment sport, but also a spotlight Ghaith multibillion dollar enterprise, and there are a lot of people for him there. It's like well I can't enjoy if I can't way the stars and bars for the inner circle and Nassar Nights Really Rather. You didn't do that. Please don't. I like hockey and I can't watch unless the flag of a defeated. Some point during the match so i. I doubt from Hungary. Isolationist You gotTA. Remember Tito down. That would be. That would be a basketball. Croatian. But the one thing I want to know this is June because Jane seems to read. This is this is is. Does, he call himself BUBBA for that reason. Under like Hey, I can be really southern. I'm calling myself, Bubba. When I saw it I was like with the biracial. Babo says his name is his full name is Daryl, but he's gone by bubba since he was a little kid, and or his mom calls him bulbs, which is on the list of things that I am certain. He did not want his mother to tell the New York, times, but Tell The New York Times like. By the way, I do want to say candidly. We certainly do not know that there was any sort of Jesse smell a kind of craziness going on here and I did use the word hoax and I should not have I apologize. I'm not suggesting it was just suggesting that I thought it was dubious, and I would end our segment of the sports spokes see I didn't say sports skies the time because. I don't know what pronouns you might want to I. Don't you know I never asked Matt his pronouns? I definitely know Moynihan's pronounce. I don't want it up. There in. Did you have something before we? Get to the meat of the pros, not that interesting, but like I'm just I'm always fascinated when there are athletes in particular, who are like the only black guy or the only black woman in a place. In the South and in the history of baseball. Got Half a dozen books behind me that are about. Dick Alan. Ritchie Al Amac is as he was this time. As an amazing athlete, a total asshole, although he sort of redeemed himself later, but like part of his personality was forged, they threw him as a kid to integrate I. Think the what's it called? It's not the Arkansas League, but basically you played Arkansas double a league there there had not been. Down there a black player ever and so it's like one thousand, nine hundred sixty three people are just not friendly, sixty two. They're not friendly to the first black guy, and he's obviously the best player in town in the League by a lot. And just got horrendous amounts of abuse, and this is a pattern, not just of American black players, but also of super shocked. Cuban. Players who came in they didn't. They didn't experience that type of racism at home at their own special type of racism at home is of flavored somewhat differently, but they hadn't experienced that kind of. Thing that they saw in Florida and Especially in the south in the sixties and being the one person, even in a last, objectively racist atmosphere. It's tough because you're. You're like the one person who has to. Explain an entire. Category of people and it must be exhausting. My friend Toni Pearce Great. His favourite character to talk about during black history month is always Charley Pride for that reason. Know. What he just wanted to play music and and in a in a situation where everyone wanted to throw stuff out of it was like fuck it. I JUST WANNA getting arms and play music. I have a lot of a instinctive kind of sympathy for people who placed in that position You just kind of want to be yourself and not have to be an s spokesman for an entire thing, certainly a lot more difficult than sixty three than it is in thousand twenty, I imagine. You know. We've talked about Boston earlier by the way and the repetition of Boston. And maybe that was the first job according. I don't remember but. What added to that was of course, it was the last team to integrate. And Now! Pump see green. Who is it? Who is the first black player in Boston? Bless Washington redskins also lasting to integrate in the NFL, this is. Stunning reasons to take. That idea of being like you have to be the right person to do this. I mean if you've ever read a Jackie Robinson's autobiography. I never had it made which kind of gives away the thesis from the biography and he talks about attending the Republican. National Convention in Nineteen Sixty. Four. When goldwater is nominated, and someone tries to get into a fight with him. Which side has always struck me if you've ever seen? Slightly retired. Jackie Robinson could stupid shit at. Little he spends so much time essentially trying to make the case for his race, and having to be put in the position of doing so and you get you get. It's exhausted. I would argue in some ways that you the reason why he died in part at fifty three is that that entire experience must have been profoundly exhaust. Also he had to sit in his hands and swallows tongue, and that was not his nature. He was a son of a niche. Niche. He was the most like competitive he would. He would get slit your throat playing. Ping Pong because he's like. Give me any competitive playing field with a white person. I will crush him because he's got a common because there are trying to otherwise discriminate against. My family can't do this and S in Pasadena California. I'm so. He was inherently really pissed off, and he had to sit on it for a year even two and then after they let him go. He was getting beaned all the time. Fans like are mad at him. Because he was like talking trash about the UMPIRES, he was getting in fights all the time, and during that period of time when he was allowed to be unleashed, he was the best player in baseball for five years in a world that included Ted. Williams and Stan musial. It's amazing when he was like actually allowed to be the competitive monster, the four sport monster that he actually was, he could do this, but imagine i. mean imagine like for example. Not Compare my morning too much Jackie Robinson. On just like. Better. He's actually. Do that the chip on the shoulder that you get from Michael Moynihan. Competitive Aso imagine him having to be a choirboy for two years. He wouldn't work, but he had to do that and I think that sublimated thing must just driven them crazy while she realized you use that Jackie Robinson was a monster on a leash who? overtly. said to leash does shied. Thank you, said UCLA share. You said they let him off the leash. The monster the animal. Is Very all of these. Compliments who absolutely are the personification of white supremacy? At least not fragile. Attract. New. Sometimes, you might get out. Of. Of you think you're praising. So! Let me let me do this. We'll take a beat away from race. Because, there's so much other stuff in the news related to that. Jane wanted to talk to you about the thing. You perhaps know best these weirdo conservatives. There was a rally in Tulsa this past weekend. It was a bit strange. They thought they were going to be large numbers there, but apparently the event was swift boated by Tiktok. Kids and I know that that doesn't really make sense, but the the phrase. Kinda popped into my head and I'm going to go with them going to. Talk. About, but but I do find it pretty funny like. taught owned by the Chinese. Chinese government are using their platform, or at least allowing people to use it to meddle in US elections. Could you talk to me about the outrage that people are feeling knowing that. The Chinese are trying to ruin this election. There is a great deal of. TIKTOK outrage. All of the outrage would be short videos that someone would have to tell me about later because I don't feel like downloading. This seems like a bad idea. I the thing that got me most about. The rally is in general and I. Think a numerous people pointed this out that like you don't oversell things if you want people to come to I don't mean over Saleh's in Selma, too. Many tickets I mean like. Talk it up too much especially because that would. Make It all win? Brad par scales like a million people WANNA come to this event like the the capacity is about nine thousand nine thousands of slow your roll, but like when you hear that and you're a person who may want to attend this rally. You were going to be thinking yourself. I'm already a little worried about being an indoor area and the midst of a coronavirus pandemic, and if you're telling me, a million people are going to try to go to downtown, Tulsa, absolutely not. And so I think that that was a case of. Very much I mean, it was bad event. Planning like it's the kind of thing like if you've ever planned a wedding or planned any sort of events, I, it just seems like it was like it was just a bad idea and a lot of different fronts, and it was a bad idea all to prop up. President trump's idea of himself as like. This is a person, he. People talk about I. Mean there's a twitter user who of? Just all the examples in which people around trump talk about trump like he's a large toddler, but so much of this seemed to be like well he'll be. He'll be himself if he's allowed to have a rally or something like that and I'd be myself if I were able to go to bars. We can't. I back to. You know once once you get it in. You can't get it out. It's interesting to me because all of this has led to a lot of recommendations made by people within the trump team, and some of them that I believe and some of them I don't believe like the people who are like this is definitely gonna lead someone being fired. I never does. The. People who are going at someone's going to get fired and it's GonNa. Be Someone I've never heard of but. I was reading a Guy Benson at townhall he had run down of what trump world was thinking and he quotes Raider. At first thing, so I spoke to earlier this week, Peter, Spill Yoccoz who talks about how like? He could have spent a lot of time talking about Andrew Cuomo, killing thousands of elderly people, but he didn't do that to fifteen minutes talking about whether or not, he could go down a ramp. That's hot stuff. That's one of the things that strikes me about trump is that in two thousand sixteen? He became this Tabula rows upon what you could project your deepest desires, your deepest fears onto, but he at no point cared about any of that, and so people who were like know. This is the time for him I saw. I think there was someone from heritage you tweeted. Something like this is the time for him to make this big speech that will bring people together and end the anarchy and. He's got to talk whether or not we can drink water. Come on, which is a which is amazing. Yes swigging the water throwing the glass performance I. I saw that and I thought Wrestlemainia is just. For. The entire thing we did Heathrow. He didn't. Do. You get like a shot took. JFK. Wow I didn't see that I mean it really is performance are a really is wrestling, but it's like the kind of like the bad wrestlemainia. Like. This isn't like when Macho Man Mary's Miss Elizabeth. The side ones where it's like a tag team match. At who the hell! Leaping Lenny. I took. Poetry really. Wrestling tells us a lot about politics because this entire thing about. So much of this, so much of what you see especially online is I'm like Oh. This is a work like this is like you. There's those old spy-versus-spy cartoons to spies that you opposing spies go into work clock in say hi, and then start trying to kill each other, and then they like clock out and have a nice night bye! And there are so many people within pellet tooks who do that while behaving otherwise while behaving like actually, this is the fight for galactic future or something, but I'm like I know we all know that that's not true. We all know that this is a performance. It's K- FEHB it's an effort to seem as if. To. Appear in this way. I think that that really explains a lot of the relationship that trump has with news media. where he is, everyone is well aware that they can keep making a lot of money off of him. Being combative and the people who are genuinely. Upset by either how trump deals with the media or how the media deals with trump are disappointed and left out because there's too much money to be made, the ratings are fantastic, and if you started asking a lot of questions about like you know, there is no way that trump's twitter like there are numerous, which the Chiron on CNN or something like that will be like on the sidebar like massive protests with millions of people, but let's really focus on trump sharing a weird video of top. It was the strangest thing. The outrage around that video was so so weird. It was obviously obviously a joke. I think that something that gets you what we heard a lot in two thousand, fifteen two. Two Thousand Sixteen was that trump was appealing to an audience wasn't being heard and mainstream politics, but I don't think that audience was ever intended to be crazy. Super Online people like crazy super online people. You know the whole me magic thing. The heard twenty, sixteen, two, thousand seventeen I. Don't think that either you are. You're asking me to believe to things that cannot come together. Either trump spoke to like the people who aren't online at all the people who aren't on twitter. The people were largely ignored by our news. Media or trump spoke to the people who would be super into carpet, dunked on some weird video on twitter and I feel as if those two things do not necessarily same. It's a whole thing. I just I just got. I just figured out count Danke. Ask. The free speech case of England yeah. It really is. It's interesting how what people? What the story that I think that a lot of people told themselves about why trump won particularly people who are more supportive of trump is not the story that trump has told himself, and so he's basically like. You how people say that I won because these disaffected white voters in these three to four states felt on her actually I'm GonNa Ignore them and I'm GonNa. Talk a lot about twitter. Yeah, Hey, platform! Most people don't use. Yeah well, I wonder Mat. What your favorite moment in that in that rally was, and if you're finally persuaded to do the right thing and keep America. My. Reaction to this was a reminds me of. Melody Melody Maker Cover. WED Morrissey on whenever Morrissey had done some latest terrible thing. Et. CETERA right wing which you're not supposed to. And and the headline was The this isn't funny anymore. which is kind of look just kind of funny? And it's like the the wrestling stick patter, the weird statements about current virus, and all that I haven't paying attention to trump for so long. I don't even remember what it's like so this only of filtered into me. By looking at twitter, but like after the last three, absolutely like horrific months in this country. To see that same old thing. Come down it. It felt different to my ears. Not that was a very receptive audience to begin with but it just sort of like that's that's a weird act to becoming down now you know the exact same Mac that he's always had and always will have, but like it sounds in. It's sort of received different when you know what we had a hundred and ten hundred and twenty thousand people dead now. And like people are just like. All compressed in marriage. The, you opened up the tennis balls and the silliest snakes come out. It's a the streets are filled with people. It's just like the whole thing felt kind of odd. I never like the stuff that comes of the Lincoln project type of people, Rick Wilson's of the world and everyone who disagree wake up in the morning and I appreciate their their gig, their premise which is. Is Like we're going to make ads that only are designed to actually tweak trump when he sees them like that is the audience is an audience of one, and we're GONNA. Try like freaking out so I. Get what they're doing, and occasionally they're. They're good at it or competent at what they're trying to accomplish, but the one thing that I saw out of all of this. That kind of like. Rarely for an anti-trump thing rang true in some more than obvious sense was his walk of shame. When he came back off the helicopter like he looked miserable, he looked ABS with tired of yeah, and I was just like. We've all been like I'll. Go you go, and you're feeling great and then three hours later you come home and it's interesting. Collar this orange. A red. Holding Thing! I mean it's it's. It's interesting, because sometimes like trump. The if you thought of trump as being as voting for trump as being a statement in and of itself, which I think is how some people who voted for him thought about him as being like well, you other people will keep him in check and this. Nothing really like the economy's getting better nothing really bad will happen which I'm like. You're just asking that monkey paw to do what? At this point. A. Doing exactly what he has always done like. There isn't a different version of trump. He can't turn into you. I spent some people that go you know it would be a really great time for trump to be a unifier. You'd be a really great. For me to have a bear. Didn't that. Didn't that end that night van Jones on CNN. He's like this is the night going? Dude. Forgot about that. was that was the night the night that they attacked? Serious. Syrian bombing fields that. Because Brian Williams though wasn't it like? Nothing van. Things, to say that. Yeah. Yeah, he was like it's it's time get. This feels like several administrations ago. Things have gone so far so quickly well. Funny because in my head he's he's like America's the second after yard. And like he might Keel over, and who's going to be the Harry, Truman but I do just want him to end and I don't know if it's a transition. If we were planning on talking about it, but I finally. Piecing it together from cliffs of watching the whole John Bolton thing with Martha, Raddatz, it took a while because ADC didn't put it up and I don't have television so I was like piecing it together and I have to say this to me. No fans here is that I know you guys had Bolton on quite a bit on the independence. I think I've on with him. Something some. It might even people read I weirdly. Could have been I'm not sure residents of red eye. Yeah, certainly did that with them. Is that is that? is so funny to watch him. Because nothing he said was surprising, it was literally everything that. Yes, previously. He's he's in Korea. He's waiting to see how many Assembled in the press gaggle, because he wants the numbers high, and says constant obsession with with median ratings and the rest, but. You know even when went after him for testifying I thought it came off fairly well, and you know I I didn't think I would actually say that about John Bolton because it's not a feeling that I. Often have about John Bolton, but I don't know if anyone else watched that interview. But when I watched it and I was like you know, he seems like an adult, and he seems fairly sensible, but you have to remember that all the reasons he hates. Donald trump is that he's failing to right he's. Where why? Why is Lichtenstein? Not Ours is I. Don't think I don't know. But there was actually a moment where he was not enough. I was reading the book. And that as well as stuff. Is actually shocking in it gives you know the majority of people what they've been saying on on television for for for years is that there's some sort of plot in the president takeover. Venezuela, because they think it's principality. The United States which trump actually says to Bolton. Doubt this at all. He's like, don't we like? Like. It. He says we should. We should have a military option we should in Bolton is like I. Don't actually think that's. been a bit of a reversal right now I think it really goes to. I mean I it's funny. Because I think that one of the challenges of John Bolton being involved in this is John. Bolton the guy who likes who's like we should bomb Iran. And it was at a talk point in which Iran as far as I know, it was twenty thirteen, and he has this new two times up. We got to bomb. Iran and I'm like. Are they. Already like at least there. was acceptable back then very wise work there apparently, but yeah, it just funny because Bolton's presence in the administration, especially with the story, the administration told about itself, which was not true, the entire like Donald the Dove Hillary the hawk. Thing was just not at all true. We everyone should have known that in Bolton Buttons President Presence and the Administration was always very weird, didn't have also someone. He is also someone who takes X.. takes notes all the time. and. This is the same person who he was several years ago and it is interesting. How much all of these quote? Unquote tell all books are basically just trump saying the things he says on twitter, but he says some of his mouth too sometimes. It's not surprising. Shocking. He said in person at the beginning of the trump administration. I predicted. I think it turned out. Okay, as far as dumb predictions go, but that the three sources of opposition to trump from the centre-right would be absolute hawks. John Bolton who would turn out? Mattis Neo cons. Lot of who move of lead now liked. The are pretending that they're liberal, which appeared? Libertarians the JUSTNA marshes of the world and Mormons those three, the three coup find trump to be fundamentally indecent from their sense of decency and I think the thing that that all those three have in common who otherwise don't have anything in common is that they actually believe this shit. And I think one of the surprises to me and I'm curious to get your take on this Jane since you know these people more than I do. But, it's been a legit. These people are legitimate. Yes, surprise to me to see how many Republicans I didn't have a huge highest emission to begin with, but like so transparently didn't or don't believe their own shit. Wind faced with like okay. Here's the most popular person. In the party. And he also has power, and if I'm going to stay in politics, I have to do a fair amount of a ring kissing and this kind of thing, it's the it's the true believers, love or hate him, and and sometimes it's all the above with all of them. Who? Who can't stand him because they see him, I think rightfully is someone who. TRADUCES were means. All right well. We expected, or what we? People had said for a long time at the Republican Party was supposed to stand for. It's supposed to be your personal rectitude and free trade and free market economics, and and blown up people, and so they're really upset that that's not happening, but it's a it's. It is shocking to me. How with a high percentage of Lindsey Graham's the world? If you are listening to something, and you can't quite hear it and you're like you know what I should do, just like just put on captions. Let's just give into this. He essentially wanted put trumpism through captions like Tom Cotton or Josh Holly, or like what if we took trumpism, but boiled it down to what we think it actually is an ignored all the nonsense and got things done more effectively in our view, you know either elevated section to thirty of the communications decency actor. I don't know. Go into war with some buddy to do something because. There really wasn't any such thing. US trumpism. There was not a guiding ideology that was the through line for how Donald Trump thought about politics risen why he has. been a registered member of I think pretty much every party. Except the Libertarian Party, he was a Reform Party candidate very briefly or thought about being reformed, compared candidate in the early two thousands, and so you get the sense that there are the the people who think that he's just getting in the way of his own message of trumpism. Then there are the Lindsey Graham of the world. Who basically like I just don't know what else I would do. If I worked senator and I will stay a senator as long as I physically can be. And I also think that there are people who are like who understand this is a transactional approach and I've got a piece coming out on this soon. The implicit understanding that especially social conservatives had with trump or social conservatives had with the GOP at large is that if you vote for them, they will give you. Judges will make decisions that you like which is your politics is transactional you are people are not in this the fun of it hopefully, not not. In this because if you vote for these people, then these things that you like will happen and for many I'm sure. David French may have mentioned this to. You talked about this last week, but the conservative reliance on the courts has been going on for a really long time, because the idea of like well. We can have this legislation, and no one will hear about it, but if we sue everyone, we'll talk about it in ob off like this issue will come up. More and more and funding lawsuits is a great way to bring in money as Larry Klayman could tell you. And so I think that, but what we've seen from some social conservatives, it's like if we get the trump nominated conservative judge, and that conservative judge then makes a decision. We don't like then what was the point of all of that so but I? Think that what you're seeing from? Some Republicans like Lindsey Graham is very much of a sense of like yo I'm. I will try to stop him if he tries to do. The very specific things I don't like which for? For Lindsey Graham is not going to war I. Believe but otherwise it's just being like you just just go with it, and I feel as if those are the people for whom they will at some point when this, when trump is no longer president day are the people who will pretend like I never really liked him anyway. We had our disagreements and I'm looking forward to working with the new administration or something like that which I always struck by because like. It can't be that great to be in Congress like it actually sounds kind of terrible to me of just like. It terms of what you want what you can actually get done. What your job! Actually it looks like not like the Halcion image of what you think. It looks like but what it is actually liked to be United States. Senator and I. Just the appeal just doesn't really get, but it's sort of like going to college. Because you expect that. When you finish, you'll have a very good job after right. I mean that's that's I. I mean I don't think anyone actually likes being in con was a few people that are actually lifers, but this most people just want to set up the consultancy, so they can build people out of money right, but the thing about it is and I think I agree with almost everything you said is the one thing. I find interesting in the trump would never actually notice. Is that the things where where he's heretical on? Typical Republican Policy Matt Minch number of them I would add things to like healthcare actually. When he like called the Republican who called me? And then confirmed it later, that was that was kind of through. The Grapevine confirmed later I think on Fox. News Sunday, said Yeah, I said it was mean and Obama said it was mean to, but he stole it from me or something. I can't remember an executive or something like that, but you never hear Republicans defending that or even on free trade you have the lighthizer and the Peter Navarro of the world who have. Have always been protectionist ribes, but most everyone else is like they'll do the thing about American jobs, but they're not gonNA. Go in deep on trade. The way that Navarro does, and I think that a lot of these things where he has these kind of heretical view, which would be trumpism is very few people are publicly publicly. Defend them. They just sort of T- what you just said. It was the kind of. Got Along and Michael. was, huge free-trader, you know Larry cudlow. Inside Steve. Entire career on the show you know. Those are people that are that are directly employed by. I should have made that as a coffee I mean, but in in Congress, I mean if you're just expecting them to go away like inside the machine. It's Steve, Moore and Larry cudlow were actually the dumbest free traders I mean I'm a free trader and those are the guys that were. PUNDITS PRETENDING TO BE ECONOMISTS, they're not economists right now. Stephen Moore Stephen Maher with freedomworks, and that entire organizing principle is so interesting, because especially, because it's no longer I'm facet the rise of populist conservative him for many reasons but I am interested by how populists conservatism could be credited to trump is helping to develop it, but then the people who are employed by trumper like actually we need more tax cuts. Tax cuts like heritage action isn't even trying to sell people on tax cuts Davis giant paper where they do polling showing that fifty percent of independence found that the emphasis on tax cuts and deregulation was harming working families, and they're like. We have to turn the page on a Republican economic policy and Stephen Moore Art Laffer Alec. Wait out half to. Weeks get keep on talking about tax cuts, because that's a certain foot like when you've got a rather than wheeled populism in the way that it could be wielded to the benefit of the Republican Party if you come up with there's a book that Ryan Salaam and Russ do that wrote a couple years ago. Grand New Party about making the Republican Party kind of a working class party, and a lot of the ideas are essentially this understanding of populism in the understanding of US using government. Government to foment family formation, and then you have all these trumpet plays who are like. No, we don't want to do that. That seems bad and whether or not it is bad or not. It is a growing movement without the within the Republican Party that could also appealed independence and yet the Stevens more of the world or like. We would rather not do that. The hardest interview that one can never do is I sat down with our left for a couple of years ago for this documentary that I did for HBO On trade and sounds lateran, and by the way in amazing got interview Superfund, a really really nice guy. I was not expecting it and had a great time with him, but it is the hardest thing to sit down injury. Somebody who every question you ask them specifically about free trade. You know he doesn't believe his answer and he's kind of winking at you. And I'm like what is the point of this? I'm like asking these very detailed questions trying to get back around the point that you just made in periodically was divorced from trump. You say nineteen eighties. Trades China and he's like. He's he's. He's writing things on that. But you you! You use the popular. When you center trump, then everything became like I don't believe that again within a minute. And it was the oddest thing and he kind of like you know understood what he was doing. He knew that I understood what he was doing, but he's like I. Just have to do this now and. I think it's going to be a disaster this trade war, but he didn't say that he's like who knows that that's him saying. I. Don't know present you know. He loves tree. Different. Different kind of totally different way through. Talking about the art laffer and the John Bolton's which is that? I tend to think probably more than Jane more than most people that trumpism. Is close to a thing. It's it resembles. A European kind of populist conservative movement so anti-immigrant, but pro welfare state. It's a different mix them. We're used to in America, but so like if you're going to start an administration like that, you go for your personnel. Who is your? Who is the person who is going to? On on foreign policy. Have the same kind of ideas you did when you campaign South Carolina Coney Iraq were the worst mistake ever why there's no real deep bench that there's not a lot of people who are doing that kind of their. You know there isn't a think tank of right-leaning people in in Washington that talks about foreign policy. Anti interventionism. Yeah, but it's not right, and you know it's it's not. It's not very influential in that particular thing, and I think there's something true also for his antitrade stuff which I think is deeply believed I mean the way that he's talked about trade forever for his like. Okay. So who do you go? You have to go to Peter Navarro. There isn't a lot of people you have to have him and a high place. You have to have lightsaber. You have to a couple of guys who were there, but there isn't a whole lot of people. The other people are just going to be the ones who have always been there. Who actually believed the opposite, but we'll be transactional in the moments, and and so that leads me to a question. Let's pretend that all that observation is true for a second, but Jane in looking at this. Do you think that people are? Is there a back filling developments of the Josh Howley's the world. Who is the one I? Think about in terms of this. Who are like okay? I'M NOT GONNA. Call it Trumpism, but I'm going to fill this out with like we are going to have a complete different idea about approach to media policy, for example, than than Republicans and Conservatives and Libertarians had for the fifty years. We're going to just flip that on a dime. We're going to be more protectionist at I. I don't know about Holly's foreign policy. I presume it's also it's awful. Whatever direction it is, but like they're trying to fill in the blanks of that conservatism is they're going to be. Do do sense that there is a kind of trump is, and that's filling behind him, and then will therefore take some ballast in the party after he's cashiered in November or whatever happens I think so to some extent I think the first instinct you know if biting to win. In November, will for the record be that everyone returns to principal libertarianism? Ted Cruz will remember that he is occasionally a libertarian remember that. From the beginning, but yes, I do remember that I remember. I remember his Dad Sean. Backs. Quickly forget that. Yeah, we don't bring that up as much as we should. I pick that there will but I. do think that they. Will be issue the reason why in some ways trump happened is. I mean it's about seventy five thousand people, not voting and a bunch of other things happening but I. do think that there is. A Moment for a populist conservatism that does. That understands or thinks about. Americans in. Community in a way that I think that they kind of the conservatism. the previous iteration may not have talked enough about interview of some of the people involved in these movements I did like well we'll. We'll just leave family formation to like churches and private organizations I. think that for the JD Vance's of the world, and for the Josh Holidays of the world. That's not enough. I however, I think all of this is so reliant on those ideas, being politically popular and salient or seeming popular Yo. If you look at trump and you see someone who is like that's a populist. What you're saying you seeing what you want to see in trump in. That's a lot of what we what we get is a lot of people looking at trump and seeing what it is that they already want. Trump. Permitted that in many respects of being like I'm the best friend evangelicals on the most lgbt friendly Republican president I could be everything then every everyone so what will happen that I will be interested in just to see if the populism remains like if they're if let's say that trump has handed a massive electoral defeat in November. and. That Democrats hold the House and. I'M NOT GONNA. Take control the Senate, but yet hypothetically if that were to happen, which is unlikely. I think that the understanding would be that trump is out and trumpism is out however i. think that what a populist conservatism populism will not go away from conservatism. Because I think that they've already started building, too. Many institutions set centered around it now at a certain point where you have people who are so focused on the perpetuation and development of a specific ideology I. think that it's really hard to undo that you know. It's GonNa. Take a little while to turn the ship around. I think that that was something. I remember you. I cover white nationalism on the outright, and there's a real sense that a lot of people seemed within those worlds seem into. This second trump was inaugurated day. Just start mass arresting non white people, and then you know you. You saw even some glimpses of disappointment, but where's the race? Moore and I'm like sorry guys. It's not it's not generally how this works and I do think. That the ship that has been constructed around populism and around a populist conservatism and an idea of populous conservatism, one that sometimes tries to bond itself with a populism on the left, but that's challenging for a host of other reasons. I do think that that ship is. It's too big now, and it's not going to get turned around and so I think that that back filling. It's been taking place that will last even if trump doesn't despite my also feeling, everyone's going to become a libertarian again. I didn't think they're gonNA. We're GonNa ever have that moment. Where the Jeb Bush view of immigration will be a Republican immigration anytime soon and I mean that's the thing that you know Matt mentioned this of European populism and what Unites European populists with very very few exceptions I mean the Norwegian progress. Party is probably the only one and the Dutch party to that Your fielders of the Freedom Party are kind of free-market parts, but the rest of them are not their welfare state parties. They're very actively saying we. We need to grow the welfare state and it's just we just shouldn't growth for immigrants. That's who should not have welfare, right and I I in immigration is anti immigration sentiment is unfortunately always a popular idea I mean it's. It's been a popular idea in Europe for a long time and. Increasingly so after the migrant crisis in Americans I mean if you look at recent. Pew Data You know they saved. Immigrants are taking jobs that Americans don't want, but they do want beefed up border security. They do on a path to citizenship complicated things majorities on those things, and it's also not kind of racially exclusive. When you talk about these things, it's not just sort of white voter. Right against for so many of these these are white voters lifers. Lifers. Aside it's there's a lot of over there, so I wish they wouldn't. Because it's not policies that I tend to approach it, but I think that's that of trump is I'm definitely going to start. My inclination is to suspect that we probably won't see return to Libertarian. Politics for conservatives primarily because of the broader political circumstance that they're likely to face post November. Presuming trump doesn't win. We will be in the world postcode, or at least still, perhaps, or perhaps still in the covert universe, and in either case it's going to be a world of increased government spending expectations of massive subsidies and entitlements to help people out of very bad situations and I just don't think. Republicans have the stones to adhere to principal in an environment like that there there may be a bit of an aggressive competition to out concern, one another and perhaps figure out some innovative way to try and sell their. Their new policies I mean if the Dog Collapses Dollars Weakening and wobbling now in because of policies that we've seen in the past couple your past year particular. It's not going to get much better I'm. The dollar is very weak, and if that continues the trend that it's going, and unemployment doesn't take down significantly after this this ends, I think that you know we're in forever. I mean you still you still probably don't get a a whip inflation now program in a world like that with a whole lot of inflation. And, certainly the administration's response to it at least in the short run to the economic concerns of the country is we saw the president earlier this week? Restrict visas further. and. This is not an epidemiological policy of any sort trying to keep out people who might be affected by Kobe. The is explicitly said that he is restricting these H. One b visas which are particularly popular in Silicon Valley various tech companies who are bringing in high scale than. Those performs yeah, but restricting the more. and H two visas, l one visas all of these. Restricted in order to do not apply to people who are perhaps working at golf courses. Someone someone asks the administration. I think it was I. Think David Fahrenheit with The Washington Post. She like if someone is before trump administration official, ask about their second. They're noted out. It doesn't apply to people who are working at golf courses, or like these different like harvest, sector, areas, and I'm like Oh. Interesting that's weird. What a fun fact! What is what is funny is the president or at least statements and marks that have been made in support of this action, explicitly said well. We want to make sure that they're giving these jobs to American. Americans I, of course, all of these visa programs require employers to demonstrate that there is a lack of supply for people who would be capable of filling these roles, which suggests that we kind of already doing that a hand. Most of the tech companies are up in arms about this are saying do these are places where we just don't have the people in country, and we are likely to be at a disadvantage and in a world where people can't leave. Their homes seems like a very bad world to discourage folks from trying to come to the United States at all. Perhaps he create a pattern where they just don't come. Camille is. Is it not true and again action on this question? Is it not true that there is some evidence and I know sixty minutes on a while ago? That tech companies do like to use h one visas for people who are skilled from foreign countries because they do actually get the Labor a lot cheaper. But they yeah. They prefer foreign labor because it is cheaper. To, but I haven't seen any evidence that there's a shortage of employment unity's for highly skilled software engineers who happening to in many cases import from various Asian countries, but here in the United States. They're just kind of walking around with. On their shoulders because they can't. Happen Ed. Bill By. Berries literally abundant. It's literally abundance on the shoulder. People call them bundle. Actually. Correct now, man. I'm so fragile. So, many white you. Know, that sounds right to me, but you're saying sounds right? Yeah, I, just I have heard, and I've seen seen. People say that there's academic data the I don't know well. Maybe maybe we should a little bit about some of the other things that are happening in the world particularly. While the fireworks part of it and the great, the great fireworks conspiracy. Theory. But broadly speaking. We still have protests taking place this past weekend. We had some protests as well as some partying on Friday June. Eighteenth, which we almost recorded on June eighteenth with you Jane. But we didn't do that. We pushed it a couple of days. But there are still people who are. Demonstrating in some cases, still pulling down statues. And other things are happening in the streets. Maybe we could chat a little bit about this and Jane. I don't know what your appraisal is of where things stand with respect to the black lives matter movement, I know that you've written a lot about the reform agenda. Right as you mentioned, we talked to prevent the last time we recorded, and he actually endorses something. He called the coast in plan which I endorse as well publicly on this podcast, because all of your ideas, good ideas, and they're very consistent with what Weirdo Libertarian people agree with you. We talked extensively about qualified immunity. But you talked about civil asset forfeiture being something that is absolutely heinous. and. Bizarre, that we have in this country, could you talk a little bit about? One, what you see happening in the country to the kind of reform agenda that seems to be playing out. And what you make of the demands for abolishing or defunding the police, whatever that means I, think that the understanding I think it's challenging because I think that one of the things that I've been taking a lot about lately is how many people their perceptions of police are based on their perceptions of local police. polling shows that in general people hate Congress, but like their congressperson and people don't like the place, but like their local police, and so I think that. Might General appraisal of where we are at this point is that we have? For many reasons, we've gotten allowed ourselves to be distracted from how we got to this moment. the black lives matter movement, and the general impetus is talking about police, violence and. Police brutality, and when I say police brutality, occasionally you think of a Ahmadou Diallo or something like that, but I also think that occasionally. You police brutality can look as it does when it's. When it will not later be recorded as dying when it can be just police acting towards people, they refer to as civilians, or it's a great piece in reason today, actually about the militarization of police that goes beyond uniforms, but also goes to help police think about their own job and so I think that any effort to refer any efforts at reform that we've talked about whether it's qualified immunity whether it's ending the power of police unions and I've been joking that over the past couple of weeks. I think maybe police unions want to be ended because the people who run them. Keep talking in the way that you would if you really wanted someone to fire you. Minneapolis police chief was like I think. Is this like a weird lake about springtime? For Hitler kind of thing? What is the worst thing I could possibly come up? But I think that even our conversations about reforming the police really need to get a crucial issue, which is what is the role? What are police for? What is their job? And I think that's why you're part of the quote. Unquote coast plan is thinking about the laws. We have on the books and the laws that we thus require to be enforced by violence. Through policing. And I was particularly struck You know there have been on so many examples of. People being killed by police. White End Black I've been I've been somewhat stymied by the response by some conservatives were like well. This white person was killed by police like that. That doesn't make it better. I. Don't want anyone to be killed by police, but. I was struck by a case that happened in Aurora. Colorado actually happened last year, but the investigation kind of fell off the wayside into the death of alasia Mcclain. Who was? Who died in police custody after being injected with Ketamine and it was, it was a very concerning situation, but what struck me the most is that the reason someone called nine one one the a call. The police is because Eliza. who sounds like kind of like a weird kid who likes playing the Violin? The animals and work as a massage therapist, apparently very nice. And he was. Wearing headphones and a ski mask and dancing, and so someone called the police because it looks suspicious and the person who called the place was like he doesn't have a gun and no no-one. No one looks scared. Look danger. Anyone else, but they still were like I should call the cops for this. And I think that that's something that a lot of us deal with where a lot of you know when we're talking about. You know defunding or abolishing the police I'm aware of there are people who are very. Very serious about volunteering the police which I don't support because I think that it introduces a vision of humanity that does not make sense to me. where I understand like I've been doing some reading on the subject. From, people who've talked about prison abolition, which I think, actually I'm actually more sensitive to the issues of prison abolition than I am to police, abolition and the concept, but the idea. NEAR TONS OP ed about abolishing the place where the response to well, what about violent crime is at police are very bad at catching people who commit violent crime anyway. Yes that's also bad and so I think that this comes down to a conversation about who are the four and water. The police supposed to do and I think that there's very much percents what we saw during some of the anti shutdown protests that took place. anti-state home protests in some states. was from some conservatives who were like you? We basically have this deal with the police that we will support them. They just can't be mean to us. And there was a piece in town hall that was very much along those lines, and like now that now that agreements been broken and I'm like. Yes, it's hard when police are mean to you, isn't it? And so I think the idea of who the police are four who who is in contact with police. What people call the police to do? where I think for many people, the the place only come win. Something very bad has happened. They are not just omnipresent in their lives and for many people. They are simultaneously over policed and underpoliced where crimes don't get solved. There was just a case. I was just reading about in which two girls disappeared and two little black girls and the place relax. It's not a big issue. And then they were found in a house that had been rumored in the neighborhood to be a how up house for human trafficking, and so the neighbors essentially formed a posse to help free these girls, and then the cop showed up, and it was just a situation in which. This neighborhood was simultaneously under police in the investigation of children. Disappearing was kind of like a it'll be fine and over police in that. This was a neighborhood in a witch. Broken tail lights and stop sign. Violations are heavily penalized and so I think at this point. Where at that moment we keep doing this thing, it's like we're at the end of a diving board and really we're GONNA conversation about race and policing. Okay, we're GONNA have a conversation about race in blazing Oh. What's that? We don't have time to have a conversation about race and policing. Oh what? We were about to have a conversation about race and policing, but I think it's it's even more foundational than that. It's like what are police four. Why are the same police that you would call if? Someone broke into your house the same place. We're also enforcing traffic violations in the same place. Were you as you're asking police to do a lot of things that they are not trained to do American police? There's you know if you're in the. Occupational Licensing Twitter. There's a lot of talk about how police are largely. Let they receive less training by time than you would. If many states if you're a hairstylist. And so we're asking people who are not adequately trained to essentially be police and social workers and mental health professionals and dealing in a country, full of and lots and lots and lots and lots of people and I think that that is an almost yes, and lots of guns, and that's a lot of guns, and that's almost an impossible assets right. I think that what I would more support as unbundling the police. That what that resources. Obvious there are going to be moments that don't start out as needing police, but then turn out to need police, but also times in which you want to call someone who isn't the police you and there's someone who looks like. They're having a mental health episode, and you're well aware that people who are having mental health episodes are far more dangerous to themselves than anyone else and a police officer with a gun. Entering the situation would probably very bad. You want to call someone else and I think that. What the protests are about to many people is about forcing people to have this conversation of water police four. What are we asking police to do? What? What is this all about? WHO GETS TO AGREE ON IT? I know that you. You wanted to talk about this a little bit, but I was struck by the Wesley Laureus Piece in The New York. TIMES, talking about black journalists and newsrooms. And I was struck by how so many of the silent tacit agreements? We've made societally. We're made at a time in which the acceptable conversation and acceptable conversation partners were relatively limited. My colleague as recline wrote a book why we're polarized and he talks about how yes, it seemed less polarized than nineteen fifty nine hundred sixty s, but that's because when you're having a conversation around all white men who pretty much agree on most things like you will. Of course you're going to come to a lot of consensus in that group, and so what you're seeing now is for many people for the first time. There are a lot of people who are like actually I have some thoughts on this particular issue. I would like my views to be included. My experiences with policing have been very very bad or My experience of Yo this the wielding of state power has been very bad and so. This conversation is widening. This conversation is going in directions that I think that. The people who are very I understand that there are many people who find these kinds of conversations. Scary therapy. You know they're like what is this all and I'm like? Don't know what it means, but the people are having. These conversations have a lot of thoughts on this, and perhaps you could listen to them. And I know that. Is There Jazeera conversation amongst people like us or sort of monologue at this point because i. know that you know your coworkers, Akpo Shampoo said something about you know. Maybe it's not A. It's not a great idea to defend the list and later apologized for that would seem to me as quite sensible thing to say and I. Also that using the corporate world I can't imagine if anyone said like. Hey, we need to have a conversation about those, but we also think about cops as you know our neighbors. Get. Get. Right. I mean I don't think that there's a one way conversation now. Where it was one conversation previously, it's being replaced with a one way conversation in different directions I would say I remember I remember that day on twitter, and I think that with Zach. It was just very much of like. He talked about a little bit afterwards. He was like I hadn't read enough about the subject, and I shouldn't be opining on it without knowing more about it and I'm like okay. That's fine and I think that it is. Dead. It is interesting to me that the corporate world. Their roster that wrote a piece today on this. Essentially about how like this is kind of the second loss Bernie, sanders? That, look the corporate world is like yes, black lives matter we're in, let's do this is awesome. And I would say that. That is a conversation. I'm taking a lot of that is signaling, and it's not necessarily two signaling to the people involved in black lives matter protests it signaling to the people who are at home, watching TV being like. I am mildly supportive of this, but not really enough to do anything about it but I wanna feel like I'm doing something about it. I think a lot about the idea of signaling a you where you have a political position or you say something, but it's not even something you really believe it's because it gets you on the right position with the right people. You see that a lot with I've. been using the vice signaling where you have people sometimes intentionally pretend intentionally saying things that they know are. mean-spirited or bad or something like that kind of non even something that they would hold to, because it positions himself correctly, and so a lot of corporate statements about black lives, matter or about this moment are an attempt to position themselves, and I'm interested that that is where you appropriately position yourself right now. I would also say that to me. in you, I am aware many people disagree with me on this. I think that the signaling effort between corporations and generally an audience of. White Liberals with money. Then to me is like a separate. That's a separate conversation. I'm reminded by how If you follow? LGBT politics. There's a big issue that when when Mike Pence was governor of Indiana. He attempted to pass a version of the religious. Freedom Restoration Act in the state. Of Indiana, there's a federal referee that's cool in awesome. And then the state level was going to be less so and so major companies will just pull out of Indiana, and you saw Mike. Pence. Be like well. No and like he kind of. Your social conservative waffled on that moment, but so I. Think yes. Corporate power is very real in politics. Corporate Power Corporate behemoths are very extraordinarily powerful in get in using their signals to get people in the what they feel to be the right positions, but I would also say that to the you know it's not as if the people who are protesting outside the White House right now. Our own Nike said something. Thank God but I think they are happy that this is happening. Though the sense that I get, is, they do see the consensus that's forming as as a victory, and they're trying to maintain this pain in order to to secure to secure more of those victories, and I wanNA put one more thing in in in the mix for you to respond to because you were talking about you know the the. The. The degree to which there was a consensus before, and how things are starting to change now, because more voices are in the mix, but but I wonder about the consensus before because I think a four nine nineteen eighty s there was a general sense that in nineteen seventy seventies as well minority communities were underpoliced, and they wanted tougher laws. They wanted tougher drug laws and that there. There was a broad American consensus that they needed to do something about this. The reason Reagan talked tough on crime stuff. All the time was because it's sold at worked in general, and there wasn't I think an expectation amongst black folks that they were going to be assaulted by their local police departments as you mentioned in as polling suggests that I think I saw the at all. Fairly recently, about like local police departments, black people like most Americans view their local police departments as something that is generally pretty good like overwhelmingly right, and which which makes the current moment I think all the more strange to me, because of the way that so much of the conversation is you know I think it's like Benjamin crump's book, which is titled Benjamin Crump Is Essentially, a fixture in all of these various cases these watershed cases. Getting held I always seem to promote a tweet, but I, think his book is called open season like legal genocide on black people, which is just like. That's hysterical nonsense. Doesn't have a place in this conversation at all, but that is the dominant narrative. With people. That's like I mean I just can't believe it like the cops keep killing all of the black people. And it's just I'm not sure for me. The reason I tend to have conversations about that and try to get people to. Back away from the hysteria is because I think part of the reason the conversations get dislodged and lost is because hysteria just doesn't help most conversations turning productive good policy reform before you before you answer is to add. He's you mentioned. Kid just mentioned stay little addition to the the West lowry thing that you mentioned and what Camille just said I I that lines stuck out of me in the second paragraph, and I pulled it up in when when he says the unabated police killings of black people across Chad it's not true. I mean unabated is is I mean if there was one in there was another one I mean I don't know it's kind of a squishy burdensome way. If you read that, it just sounds like it's a charnel house of cops, killing people, which does not actually seemed to be the case when when you. His book. You can't kill us. All I believe is the title of his book about Ferguson, which was barred from a sign that he saw, but still it goes to the point. I think that going back to your note about the nineteen eighties. It's interesting because what people wanted was for existing laws to be enforced. What was happening in many neighborhoods? In DC DETROIT CINCINNATI elsewhere was there were places in which the existing laws were not being enforced. And I and also that that got to this idea about their these bad inner city areas, and there are these good neighborhoods other places where they're. American citizens living in both places. That construct was about the enforcement. Of that contract was about how were laws that were not being enforced, someplace were being enforced and other places, but the law was being. On equally then as it is in many respects, now you know I keep thinking about how. The. What laws were being enforced in the nineteen eighties? What laws being enforced now? Our laws that are most likely to penalize people who are you to penalize low level offenders and the. I. We're not really that great catching people who commit financial crimes right now. despite those also being crimes, and I would also say that I think one of the challenges here is that. one more thinking about police, violence and police brutality it is. You know when you have someone like senator, Tim, Scott or other people, there is a there's a sense that this is a an experience for a lot of people, not obviously death for many people, but the experience of lists and the fraught -ness of interactions with police that many Americans do not experience many Americans experience police as either the people who came to their dare class to tell them about how smoking marijuana would lead to them, injecting heroin or they come to or. You call them, or you might get called for a noise violation where you're in college, and you have to send out your college roommate negotiate with the police and pull off like you know Jedi mind trick these you. You don't know what you're looking for. Everything is totally fine. Don't ask any questions and so. I think that in those in those ways the. When some people experienced the law in one way, other people experience the law in a very different way I think that that is a tremendous challenge for our understanding of the rule of law, if it's not applied equally, if laws part of why so many. Drug offenses were you part of the kind of Reagan tough on crime attitude with centered on the issue of Dr Offenses Drug Offenses that the penalization of drug offenses in one area looked very different than the penalization of drug offenses and other areas. There's been a lot of writing on the cocaine disparity, but you also see that in terms of you know. What. We. The nineteen eighties were also a time of extraordinary growth of narcotrafficking massive growth of narcotrafficking, and so you see that happening simultaneously as this tough-on-crime attitude that is laser focused on neighborhoods in D. C. and laser focused on black neighborhoods across the country, while you're simultaneously having this massive growth of high-level billion dollar, cocaine enterprises, and so I think those are pretty aggressively prosecuted. Weren't I mean I? Mean I'll give example Tony Dokoupil. From ABC this morning and the husband of. Tour and that has husband of Katie. Tour wrote a book about his father in the nineteen hundred as being being arrested and I mean Tony went to a very posh school in Miami, and he found out later, he's going to a partial Miami steps. And he went. He went to prison for that, but you know that that is often the disparities oftentimes. Get neighborhood differences, there are a number of factors and of course people have talked to talk with the show that it was more to what we were talking about previously if the BBC was. Upset that these crimes are not being prosecuted in black neighborhoods, and saying this is an this is like an abdication of responsibility. As we said on the Patriot on me on I just impromptu recorded the other night. Nine one one. He public enemy just a song that came out with George Flynn Song. That's was like the police are. Not Coming back. We. WanNa come when they come into. Its that simultaneous experience of being both under police over policed. Wearing my. Broken Tail Light. It's like all hands on deck, but if you call the police because something is happening at your home. Who knows. It's also too and I I. Don't know the breakdown of this and I said this the so that we're talking about it on the phone and. You know. This a lot like a lot of those arrests in the eighties, a absolutely opposed to the drug war, how ruinous it was on so many communities in the stupidity of the policy, but a lot of that stuff you know if you're getting pinched for having crack on, you is a gun. You have priors things like that I. Mean I think that also affected? The prison sentences because we want to get tough on Jimmy illegal guns on the street, and if you have one done on you, that's going to increase the charge in the sentencing so I mean. He's a Lotta wrinkles in how this actually played out. Capable generally Can't appreciate enough. The context of crime went up from nine, hundred, sixty, one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, the entire time, and then it went down from nine, thousand, nine, hundred, two, thousand, twenty, the entire time inexplicable. PAINT HOW! The number of all of the reasons that people have come up with like. Serious people. All of them sound like witchcraft. Disappointment you saw from some people when like you ended? Stop and Frisk, and near did not become a raging hell scape, and but. Like how crime works! I've gotten to the point now that I think about like crime rates in the same way I think about the stock market and I'm like. I think it's kind of magic. I don't quite understand. Now, it'll be like this form of violent crime white way up, but this one violent crime went way down the reason no idea. What are the things? I was looking at crime numbers in Boston today. We didn't that West Larry thing I grew up in. Massachusetts and. I spent a lot of time in Austin, particularly like Roxbury Dorchester and stuff because we had busing and my school and It's funny. Because looking at the numbers and they crowds falls the same pattern as New York one of the things we see an enormous decrease. Enormous decrease is in is in robberies, burglaries and I was wondering thinking about that because it's a much much steeper decrease in Boston than I saw then then murder house and I was wondering if was just technology. You can't steal somebody's phone anymore. You can't still somebody's phone and use it. I mean you can. Still Somebody's chop it up and make it for parts or something. It's not like you can grab it from somebody. Technology is probably a lot for preventing burglary in a way that it did so. That's one explanation in a very sort of narrow way, but the decrease is ABS. Absolutely shocking. And I noticed that the highest murder rate was the year that entered in Boston zero. Eight on record was the entered high school, and then the second highest I graduated high school in that whole time and I knew kids I went to high school with were shot and kills. That were meko students. That was the name of the busing program that you know. It was. It was stunning to me because there is something different. was that was the thing in the seventies? Bring people out of those shitty schools, undeniably Shitty, two very very good suburban schools, and undeniably good, and everything would be great, and that's not what happens and. Just an example of the people that I knew. A lot of them are just very bad results in life and I think a lot of them did very well from it to, but there is so many other things factors that I saw in in that place. And policing. It was something that I noticed younger. It was like there's police everywhere. I never saw cops. When I was like, you said they would come to a park, right. But not beyond that. It's funny. How many of our different like are? We have a like a purported crimewave or a crimewave. Then we have the panic about the crime wave, and then we go back and be like. Why did the crime stop I think. Specifically, about the issue of stranger danger, which of the nine hundred eighty s moving very concerned about their kids, being taken by strangers, which was extraordinarily rare anyway, and is now virtually unheard of whereas you, custody battles and kidnappings, resulting from custody battles very common. No one wants to talk about it. But I think that what I want folks to focus on is not I. think that there's a lot of side stuff to the conversations we've been having about. Black lives. Matter where it just gets into like what what about Thomas Jefferson and I'm like? What about Thomas? Jefferson, I want to stay focused on the issues at hand, which are this conversation about the on equal application of the law and the fact that we have allowed police in many areas to become the separate sphere and to think of themselves. As a military unit to think of themselves like they We're the wolf that guard the sheep, and then my I am not a sheep. delivered. As if you have an under. community policing community policing on this idea that the police are the one thing holding back. Holding everyone back from murdering each other. It just doesn't work. I wonder Jane I want to wrap up soon, but I want to throw a couple of things that you to respond to The. Is? Not a friendship. There has. There has been bit of a spike in crime in recent weeks. And, obviously we're just under pretty extraordinary circumstances got this pandemic that is just almost certainly been beating the stuffing out of certain police forces who've been doing a lot of overtime. especially in a place like New York, but New York has seen a pretty substantial crime spike Chicago has seen a pretty substantial crimes, pike and Blink Mary's other places. Haven't we say crime? Crime. What I'm mostly talking about here. Violent crime actual shootings where people are dead, and it seems interesting that we're having a conversation about abolishing the police in that context. It's true that police don't spend most of their time doing violent crime, and it's true that they are not great at solving violent crime especially in places where there's a lot of murder. But it's also true. I think just. When we look at the data on policing that police do in fact, deter crime in a lot of circumstances and having police forces can actually be. Useful tool in that regard I wonder what you make of. What's what's likely to become of? A ostensibly a reform movement and I just don't know if it's fair to call black lives, matter and this particular wave of protests, a criminal justice reform movement anymore, because so many of the conversations like. The stuff that end up happening like on Jemima. An uncle Ben like being on the chopping block. Maybe that's good for someone but I just don't know that most children were covering their pancakes syrup in the morning and thinking to myself. You know I love this. I love the south. I love it. It's just so nice to think that mammy is making me pancakes every morning. No one was thinking that this is an helping Jefferson city one which I think that that's something there was there was not a no one, wrote a letter to aunt Jemima and being that could you for? You in the interest of criminal justice reform. It would be very helpful if you did. I mean I think that's no. Someone on Tiktok who just said this is racist. Yeah, as I said like. No one has eaten cream of wheat. Since my late grandmother passed away and then people like. Change the cream of wheat mascot, and then I was on the cream of law. Go look it up. The original ad from nineteen twenty one It's essentially a minstrel character. Like I can't read. But cream of wheat is full of vitamins and. Wait. For. Is. The worst on. So I haven't seen the early ones and I don't want to dislodge you here. I haven't seen those early ones, but this just the current ones just a black guy right but. It uses his head with the head chef's hat Yeah, the chef, so the original ad it's his name is restless and it says maybe Cramer's. Vitamins. I don't know what them things. Day Bugs eight nine at cream of wheat. Show to eat and she soon, Katsu. Pig dish rest it's. Why I feel bad. You're just reminded me I. That is the most racist thing that has ever happened. That's the first time I've ever heard. Just remember because you said. Rastas that I was taught. A song in my elementary school called Rufus Rasa. You WanNA show Brown. And I'm almost sure now if I remember it that it's going to be super duper ACIS, so check it out. Yeah, yeah! I mean it's been interesting because you've seen. These spikes violence which I think, it's challenging to have all of this happening at the same time as a pandemic where a lot of things be open arc open a lot of people who would be doing. Things aren't doing things. So you could see much of this is just like. A lot of people are really mad right now at a whole lot of things and some of the interpersonal anger, and some of it like existential cultural anger, but I think that. This moment has made it. You know when you're having Scott Walker essentially saying on twitter well, we can either abolished at least a reform. The police have we've got you. We're so. Scott Walker's always been pretty good on this stuff has moments where he's been pretty good on criminal justice reform I think that you know when you when he was doing his big. anti-union kick, but he made sure to make keep firefighters, unions and police unions out of it. I. Your mileage. True. I think that this is a moment in which. What is I? Don't know what's going to happen. I remember earlier this year. We were talking about impeachment and now who? This is insane yet. Government government run fireworks. NHS meant yes. Highrise Malcolm Brown people in eighty. From a New York Times journalist. Which I. Own I. Don't understand. It's one of those outcomes, razor things, but like even Oxfam come on. Like my favorite thing I. Realized I realized that we talked about this. But I realized afterwards that like. Hamma, what's her name was talking about professional grade fireworks. It was like how fuck. Fireworks. Who Do you think you are? You're like Oh. This I can tell the sound of the professional grade fireworks. The one thing I say about the whole movement, though is that is that these things are going. It's going to do the thing that the women's marched in the me, too. Movement did is that people who live in these small communities and they talk mostly to themselves, and they talk mostly on twitter is they burn out so fast because they go zero to sixty and like a half a second, and it's like I saw this thing that black lives matter at the time. Who refers to CO founder of black lives matter like literally joining hands with Nicolas Madura in Venezuela, and it's like no, no, no, that's not paying because you need to get the crazy people and they want the whole thing. They want the not a progressive agenda like a bad show. No in that's the stuff. That's dangerous, dangerous thing into the corporate stuff. Stuff, is that the danger there is every corporation thinks they're doing it themselves. They're just a one person saying what they believe, but to the consumer. You're getting three hundred. These things a day in people are starting to go like this is a bit crazy into the one. It feels fine, but it's like all at say every time I told the story. Again on the Patriot I'm trying to get people to sign up. About checking my 401k and it just literally said it was like a big red thing and I was like. Oh, I lost all my money in like some stock scam and it was like now we love. In Iran you live in? Connecticut, we talked. A key can hear you typing. And you're telling me. It's like there's a point which people say like the whole is. A danger always over that like I've been struck by how much this has. The people who aren't on twitter who are still hearing about this the people who are participating participating in black lives, matter or marches in like Fairbanks Alaska, and in Montana, and Idaho and other places there are. There are. To be cleared. Police will take care of that they will. Exterminate. That's what they do. But? I think that that's that's a good. There is a sense you know. There is the conversation that we have in the media about these moments, and then there's a conversation that people have who are not like need. Deepen this have and I. think that it will be interesting to see what that conversation turns to where you are still having you. In terms of the METOO movement. I think that there are a lot of people who are still like you know. We were having this conversation about the workplace about misogyny and sexism in the workplace and. That's about as far as got didn't get to like the very specific ins and outs of Ronin Farrow's reporting. That the same thing might happen here where I think what you're seeing. Even Tucker, Carlson. It was like the black lives matter. Movement is more popular than than Congress or any politician around especially because I think that that the decoupling from because there is the black lives matter organization, and then there's just kind of the concept of black lives, matter and I think one of those things is far more amenable and far more popular than the other. I think you're right just one small thing. Though the thing, you're absolutely right. That didn't penetrate the sort of Brad. Is Phrase raising phrasing but? Oh sorry I didn't actually didn't even think of that, but you did. Because you're a pervert. I will say that in the black lives matter, example is that it is actually making it to people of the abortion stuff, so people are hearing that and having a conversation about a particularly because the city council in the apple is and this being a kind of a clarion call to abolish the police, and then you see people on twitter. It's actually reverse thing on twitter, saying no, no, no, that's not actually what they mean. You don't. That's not what they actually are saying. It's like okay. We'll change the name from abolish the police to let's have a conversation about the police or let's have. Crossing guards. or Store unbelievable cops. Everybody. Everybody's on board. I think. If if you ask police officers, would you like to be doing all of these other things? The answer is always no not always say. No always say no well Jane I'm glad that you said yes. Joining us this evening. See I did. That's pretty smooth. Soak, don't go. Your point. Listen listen modesty is overrated. Jane is not overrated. Jane, you know what's funny. Every time you come on the PODCAST, people expect you and I have some sort of a massive disagreement which I don't understand because I'm completely on board with the coastal plan. We may have some disagreements on. Know what they are, but I've enjoyed our conversation immensely. I look forward to the next one I have as well. Maybe we can start like a twitter beef I don't know. Too much much in my life too much. Thank you so much for having me guys by? No new method of attack.