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Mac Power Users 542: Beta Tales
"Mac, power users. Five hundred forty two Beta Tales. Hello Welcome back to Mac power users. My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined as always my friend in yours Mr David Sparks Hello Mr Hackett. How are you today? I am good. This is going to be a fun one. Yes, all my devices are running a little hotter. Their batteries are burning a little faster, but I'm having so much fun. That's good. Before we get to the the Beta season, because that is officially started now and apple, and in a big way, we spoke a couple of episodes ago about the Really FM membership program and Mac power users going to be taking part of that starting in July so. What we're GONNA be offering recalling more power users, a very clever David that name at whiteboards and consultants, and we came up with it pretty good right it costs thousands of dollars come up with that name, so please join so I can pay off their brand more power user so What this is GonNa be is if you become a Mac, power users member. 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I cannot believe it's been. A year and a half. But yeah, it's it's so much fun and I really feel super lucky to be year so. Could tell I just got an email from someone saying I really like the new kid. Anyway so ww DC and data. Season is upon us every year. I, I, him in Haw, and I always install all the Betas usually. We don't cover them a lot. Until the we're closer to release, but because of this year that changes are so significant, and people are just so interested in the stuff that Steven and I, both kind of made a point to go a little crazy with Beta installs and we've been using them now for a weekend. I thought it'd be fun to report how these features are working and. And given. This is Betas with some of this stuff could change, but you know. Let's kind of dive in deep on it I will say you've gone a little deeper than I have so the pool right I'm swimming in the pool. You did a cannonball from the top of your house into the deep end. Oh, I did I. Did I I wrote a post in the payers forum saying Hey Steven I've gone a little crazy with the bait. If you've got questions, let us know and a team. Oh, wrote crazy like install watch os Beta. And one of us did I'll give you one guess. Not, me. Like I had actually Rosemary. went in that pool I I said well. Did you watch blow up anything? She says well when I wash my hands at once crash, but otherwise it's been fine, and like you know it and also I feel kind of cavalier this year because I'm home, not traveling. if if my phone gets to messed up I can always unwind. The Beta I'm. Home doesn't matter that much so I. I didn't feel that bad about it, so so let's just Let's list the devices right What have you got? The BETAS installed on, so I've got the Beta on a external SSD that. I'm booting my macbook pro from I, need my fro some later this year, so I'm not willing to put the bait on at directly yet. And running it on my I've had many other. My leverage IPAD PRO is probably going to succumb to it. By the time this episode comes out out of my phone, and the definitely not my Mac pro The this machine is where I make my living, and it will stay on Catalina for some time, but yes. I'm playing with it kind of getting my. Getting in the pool. I spent more time with it on the Max I've got thoughts around that, but. I want to get back. Somebody said a second ago. The interest in Beta cycle is way higher than it normally feels like. And maybe that's because a lot of people aren't home. Life's a little bit slower now. It's because like big Sur in particular is a huge change having we just on your iphone. Who Change like there's a lot of things that are really attractive about these Betas. Wherein some years it's like yeah, it's better, but you know. You can live without it for three more months. Some of the stuff people want to really experience now. Yeah, agreed. And and there is kind of some themes to these Betas as we go through it. In the show today I started with the Beta on my is because I have two IPAD pros because I'm that guy so I started with a on the big IPAD pro and it was running fine, and then it quickly cascaded over a couple of days. And I put it on the laptop, so I had big Sur on the laptop in it on the IPAD. Then suddenly I had it on the second IPAD I had on my own. I also put it on my Mac pro because we have a the way. The recording situation is right now in the sparks headquarters. Has You know there's there's four people living in fifteen hundred square feet and so? My studio isn't really where I'm recording shows where my I MAC PRO is. It's where I do all the edits and all that stuff, but I'm not doing the recording there My old studio has been turned into my daughter's. Daughter's bedroom, but we have an extra in there, and that is the kind of recording machine I'm sitting at it right now, so my fancy Mike and Everything so that one is not upgraded or or running Betas, but but but the all the others should Max. The to Max I own are and then a few days ago I. Put on the watch, too. Because I as I told Rosemary and the automakers. If it breaks, it's her fault. But it's you know so, I, I've been reading on everything. This one thing that you may have heard in the news is these are pretty stable Betas I. think partly because wwe came later. This is more like Beta or Beta three in normal year. That being said do as we say, we do. Don't don't know these. If you need to get your work done Yada Yada Yada Yeah. I, mean they're still developer Betas. At this point, you have to have a developer account. The Public Beta will be in July. That's when they're more widely accessible and usually in the past. At least it's been to developer bills for everyone public Betas so. Developer Beta two or three be public Beta one and there'll be a couple of developer builds and then. A couple more puppets, this sort of tiktok approach, and just because this Betas good doesn't mean the next one will be in fact very often. They get worse before they get better. So yeah, do what we say like. Let us take the pain and you know if you have a spare me, shake my head many if it bursts into flames, that'd be sad, but it's not the end of the world. Then yeah, I think it's fine to play with on that, but definitely out of production machine now something you need for work because you can this situation where the you know, it's always like the one happy really need the one workflow you really depend on. That's the one that's broken for months. That'll get you. Yeah, the the thing that got me with this one was Hazel worked fine tested it before installed it on the second machine, but then. If you're in Hazel and you go to create a rename field. It crashes Hazel every time and I. I sent an email to the developer and I'm sure that will get fixed, but. It releases, but it's like so now. I can't make any Azel rules that change a name for the next several months you know. Things like that is sort of responsibility. You have running a Beta where yeah, you can provide feedback to a developer about. Hey, this isn't. This isn't working, but part of that's on you because you're running the Beta and There's really I don't think any. Any room for like being upset. That APP doesn't work on a no. S, that isn't out yet, so. I would just say kind. Those those developers out there. They're having a busy summer to. We go through this every year and we tell people you know. Be Nice to developers. Give them positive feedback. If you've got like screen, kerosene ability, make us screen cast and show them exactly what broke on the iphone and IPAD that's built in now so it's really easy to give them really great feedback, and you just tell them. Hey, I! AM on the Beta. Beta and I saw this behaviors odd as WANNA. Make sure you knew about it and let them deal with it. What you don't say someone the Beta and I need you to fix this immediately. Because I need this to do my thing well, you know what you put your thing on the Beta, so the don't put demands the people although I always feel like. Does that right? We talk about every year like all these mean people doing that. And I can't believe people actually do that and then. I talked to develop for friends. Are Like Oh yeah people? I mean I I was at WW DC last year sitting next to a developer friend, we were at the State of the Union address, which is about three hours after the keynote, and like one hour after they released the Beta and he showed me an email, he really received while we were sitting in the audience at the State of the Union. From a user demanding that he fixed a bug in the new. Like an hour afterwards, I'm like wow, sometimes people are terrible. The nutmeg power users listeners. They're the best. All right so all the caveats aside, let's dig into these Betas. Yeah, let's start with big Sur. Mac Os Eleven. Yeah, agreed. I'm going to say Mac. Os Ten about a thousand times for I. Get out of my head, but. The big thing years, we've talked about this on our last episode. The design being drastically different at that point we hadn't used it. I've been using it for quite a while now in fact the last week when I'm not at my Mac recording editing I've been using Mac pro on big Sur. And the design. I'm really liking it it. It does take some getting used to. There's a lot of white everywhere I don't like dark modes, amusing and the standard mode. Yeah, you got to kind of get used to. That feels a little bright at first, and I think like we said last time as well. There's definitely some legibility issues and places. But all in all it really two things jump out at me as far as the design a it still feels like Mac Os. It looks runs acts like Mac Os. But the design makes it feel much more in kind with its mobile cousins I think they've done a good job striking the balance between those two things. So let's let's just talk. I mean one of my things about the MAC. Big Sur update is I feel like it's more paint an engine you know your car in, but it's a lot of paint and the overall feel that I've had used because I've been using it on both of my machines now, and it's just feels lighter in. You know however you want to interpret that word. For instance, my usual setup on the twenty seven inch Mac is I usually have with keyboard maestro. I have these scripts that move windows between the left and the right side of the screening. Almost always I have to apps open on both sides of the screen, whereas the on all previous versions of Mac Os. They felt like they were integrated into the operating system, and these feel like they're floating on top of the operating system. Does that make sense? Yeah. You hadn't really thought about that, but yeah I. Think I think it does. It's got the rounded corners. And, so the APPs themselves kind of flow separate where you know, they don't like block in every Pixel with the DOC. Now looking similar to the IPAD dock it just. It's very strange to me because it just feels like a completely different look, and and you get used to it I mean like the joke is. I gave my laptop to my daughter. I'm doing some work on pain. Heard. Manage some stuff for me and And I had the bait on, but he didn't tell her. And I said Hey. Did you notice anything different about that laptop, so she was working in Safari? And she was working in the files APP. which are like completely different? Yeah, and I said. Did you notice anything different? She's like Oh. Yeah, and she had to like you could tell. She was struggling to come up with things she said. The icons are square now Yeah, yeah, the icons I square, so it's funny. I think for some people that even won't stand out, but it is a. it's a different feel and I. Guess that's the only way to put it and I I've never used a MAC. In fact, okay I know old people can get mad at me, people. This reminds me the feel of the original, Mac the floating windows kind of feel like that little classic Mac did to me when I first started using those back in college. Yeah can see that it also uses the rounded corners which you mentioned, which the original Mac had up in the upper corners, and I think it all feels more friendly in a way than the current design does. Look. Can we talk about some of the individual design elements because they're so different? Yeah, let's start at the top with the menu bar. The translucent menu bar now. This was really controversial years ago. they tried to put it on which version of IOS Leopard Okay and like they put it in the Beta, and then they took it out in, and now here it is what do you think about it? I don't love it. I'm using the default wallpaper because using the default wallpapers onto Beta to remind me that it's Beta and it's Ok with the default wallpapers like brightly colorful, but I would imagine that depending on your desktop background. May Be actually really difficult to read and the translucent engine like a lot of this translucence. He stuff is handled pro grammatically, and it seems like. On the default wallpaper it makes makes the minibar items white. Like over on the right hand side is really hard to read it. All feels too low contrast to me. And Yeah, you can go into accessibility and like turn the transparency off. That has other trade offs so I would like them. I'd like to see them. Make the menu bar more legible. APP Developers are getting to work on their menu icons with this. Now that we've got transparent in some, don't the aren't faring well with this Beta, and I'm assuming a bunch of people are probably working on it. Already I think by default. They need to show up as white, but some apps have hard coded them to be black. Yeah, and then, when you have a translucent menu bar with a gray background and black menu icons that is not good. So I switched to the to the default wallpapers well, which helps but. I feel like. I won't really know until we're done, you know. Tell the same ships in the fixed, but it doesn't bother me, though as I remember a lot of people losing their mind with back in the leopard days and I, honestly I. Don't look at the menu bar that much. It's fine, yeah! I'll have a lincoln. The show notes. I've pulled out the wallpapers. And so if you are not running the Beta. You can download the. The Big Sur wallpapers what he think of the wallpaper for big Sur I love the colored version. So there's there's to the default is like this colored way thing. It was an Iowa wallpaper. And the secondary one is sort of the more traditional like California landscape photo. I like the colorful one. I think that I. Think the reason they're using that. As the default is to show off the transparency more so than what you would see, the remains of the old like Tiger wallpaper days. You know where they had the. The blue shapes yeah, it's more colorful. Yeah, it's. It's guy, blue and pink and orange, yellow and white. It's it's really nice, and there's a dark mode version. That's nice too. I think they're doing that. Really show off what they're doing in the sidebars and everything. And also big service, surrounded by foothills and grew up in California. Maybe this is just the inner artist and me. This reminds me of looking at foothills in California, which we have everywhere, so maybe that's the inspiration. I don't know all right, so we talked about the menu bar when you open APPs. There's two things that really stand out number. One is the toolbar are bigger. And arear, and then you've got this sidebar now. That runs top to bottom. It cuts off the toolbar, so whereas in prior versions of Mac APPs are always went all the way across the top. All the all the left to right pixels were given to the toolbar. Now all the top to bottom pixels are given to the sidebar in the toolbar bumps into that right. It's a strikingly different look, because it breaks the metaphor that the Maqassad forever with the toolbar encompasses the entire top of the window. But it does feel more modern fits better with what's going on. Irs and I think in practice. Like it was weird to me the first day, and now like if I'm in male word, saly noticeable. I don't really think about it anymore. Yeah, agreed, it's agreed. It's not like it is quite different, though it striking and I know some people are going to hate it, and some people are going to love it, but everybody's going to have an opinion on. The icons. We've talked about that a little bit airy as I said that was the one thing, my daughter noticed. I I'll tell you. The icons are the one thing that really ha haven't got used to it, yeah. They added a third like a depth like a three-dimensionality to them, and some of them work better than others the the the flowing around twitter, but the worst one by far is the battery icon and system preferences is straight up hideous. But in this may be something that they toned down a little bit overtime, or we're just going to get totally used to it and move on with their lives to will happen. I'm more saddened by the loss of. The different shapes like basically. According to the big human interface guidelines which are having the show notes. They are talking about consistent. Shapes like round routed wrecked front, facing perspective, consistent Drop Shadow, which Ziva different from a couple of years ago, and they said Hey, we kind of have two or three different styles. There will still be APPs third party APPS that don't conform to this but I think a lot of them will change over time and. Cool Mac iconic part of the platform right? It's part of the personality of the MAC and that's a little sad to see kinda flattened out. Yeah as we record this I'm looking at an old in the met the recording Mac and I'm looking at like the safari in the mail icon and I'm looking over at this big Sur machine and They're just not as distinctive. You know one of the one of the ways you could identify icons in the past was shape you know. Like, the logic is a record, but it's tilted to the left, and that always helps me like find. It exists and so you lose that with this. I I don't think I'm not hell bent against it, but I I think it feels like a regression to me, but and I am big I'm going to be curious to see how many developers get on board. And how many are like? No, we're keeping our cool icon. Yeah, yeah, it's not enforce that you have to move to. This is just highly suggested. So in general I guess we cover kind of the main user interface. What do you think overall overall? I liked the direction. I mean we're really in my mind, nitpicking details, but I think on the whole. Change like that. It feels more modern I think it will serve apple really well as IOS APPS continued to make their march onto the Max beaches and so yeah I. I'm a Fan. I give it a thumbs up. Just in six months there's GonNa. Be Macro sale that you're going to have this operating system next to IPAD and IPHONE APPS YEP and I think they are going to look fine together to and I think that's one of the reasons. They did this I also like We didn't mention like in the menu bar items. There's more space between the injuries there's. There's there's like an arena to this and you know we talked last week about why we think that area, and is able to talk about this a little bit more today, but whether or not we get touch Max touchscreen Max I kinda like menu bars with a little more space between the words I. I kinda like just the the arenas of this look. And I was ready for change so it. It definitely makes my My Catalina Mac old. Almost immediately it does that. Anyway! In terms of broken things with the Beta in this is early so obviously there's a lot of broken things, but the things that have stood out for me is all the male plug ins. Don't work. That's always the case. If you rely on plug, ins do not install a Beta on your computer. I talked about the little hiccups with Hazel, but in general. My apps of work all the stuff I use for production on me. Focus drafts Microsoft word all that stuff just worked for me. I haven't had any problems the biggest one for me and this is a difference in how you and I work is. DROPBOX doesn't work on it. Really. Good for me. So I've been using dropbox on the web, which I prefer to have it installed I. Use it enough. With the trade offs, but again it's the first couple of weeks and I'm sure dropbox. We'll have a BETA or they'll. They'll just patch it and and be on their way so. Yeah, that's that's why we say. Don't put this on a production machine. Because for me, my production with other people revolves around dropbox, and I don't have it on my laptop anymore. Well, you know what that dropbox fixed may not be trivial because I believe they still use a kernel extension for all the stuff they do. I think they do, but the the kernel extension stuff hasn't changed between Catalina and big Sur for Intel MACs. If I was on a Mac, it'd be different so. It should still run the way that it did in fact I had a couple of other apps with colonel extensions throat. The permission dialogue like Hey, can we? Can we do our thing, so yeah I mean. Hopefully they'll get their. The APP doesn't even watch, so there's something there's something going on there. Before we move on, we talked about this last week, but I feel like I have to mention it again. I'm even more convincing. I was two hours after watching the presentations last week. That touchscreen Max coming. Year. Boy I agree the more I think about it. The more I use big Sur. The more I read into the changes that are coming. With the are Max. I I believe touches. Come into the Mac I, with all my heart, it's like I went back and watched the the state of the Union and when they were, they were playing a game, an Iowa game on a Mac and the lake. See how we can do it with a mouse and the way that even like the inflection. And you now it's really you know reading tea leaves, but it just felt like they were just too clever. It's like of course. There's a million APPs were about to put on your device that were all designed for touch. Of course, it's going to support touch. Yeah, and I think that the inside of had since we talked about this last. Is that you know? I always thought they'll never put touch on the MAC because they'd have to read engineer the entire operating system. And I felt like a wait a second. What if you decided? We don't have to touch on a MAC that we don't need touch to work on all the classic Mac APPs you know. You know if you're going to open logic, you're gonNA need to use your track pad or your mouse to really make it work right, but we're still going to have touch on there, and by the way there's a million I. Listen. IPAD APPS that land touch that we're GONNA make available to you it just I feel like they've. They're giving us just enough. Touch friendliness in the air phase with the larger toolbar larger menu bars that we can use touch, but they're not building as a touch operating system that makes sense. Yeah, it does make sense. I'm an agreement with that. All right. I'm closing the lid on my laptop, okay? This episode of the Mac power users is brought to you by one password, my favorite solution for managing passwords on my Mac you can set it up yourself. GO TO ONE PASSWORD DOT COM SLASH NPR in all caps to get twenty percents off. 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In a way, go sign up for one password dot com slash NPR all caps. Get yourself setup with one password today. Thank you one password for being a longtime sponsor, the power users and helping all of a stay safe on the Internet. So up next. Let's talk about IPAD OS. This is one that we've both spent some time with, and I'm really curious to hear your thoughts particularly on the pencil support stuff. Yeah, I feel like the Pencil. Support is the UNSUNG hero of this year's updates. I mean it's something that very few people saw coming. And the implementation just fills very apple. They just kind of nailed it. Someone wrote in the forums. They said well. Can I make a mine node? My math with my pencil now given the version of mind note I'm using was released before any of US heard of this feature, right? But. I opened up my note and I just had an empty bubble. I started riding in it with the Pencil, and it filled in the bubbles for me. You can make a mind map absolutely with your pencil in my note, and it feels really it feels really right. You know mind mapping with a pencil it. It just seems to work everywhere. One of my favorite waste use the IPAD is what I call the daily shutdown at the end of the day I. Want to kind of wrap the day up in a way that makes sense so I can start the next day without having the finish the last day. And my goal for this is actually i. have a couch in my backyard little. Couch in the backyard, go out there with the dog. Sit there with an ipad in do the daily shutdown plan. Miami focused tasks for the next day. You know deal with any small email issues that remain outstanding, maybe even journal the day, a little bit and using an ipad with a pencil and voice to text recognition, no keyboard. and. That feels a lot more possible with this Beta. l., it's cool about the pencil. Stuff is that it's built into pencil kit so any APP that has taken advantage of the stock. I just want applicants support my APP and they're customizing it. They get all the stuff for free. So you get the thing where you draw a circle becomes a really Nice Circle. You can write enter text anywhere and the thing that I have found myself really enjoying his have the Beta on my ipad mini the he's like a great little size for like a digital notebooks. Daily logs every day. I've been recently doing them handwriting them. In the last couple of days have been doing them a good notes and and the apple notes APP just like kind of comparing things and. I really like using the pencil on this little baby ipad. Yeah, and all these APPs are going to have will support for this when it comes out, but most of them were already another one that I use all the time is Omni focus and I can now just write down a new task in the Omni focus new task bar and it it turns it in. Also pretty amazed at how good a job at does at the recognition. I do not have right. I gave up handwriting in like Fifth Grade. So that's just never been a thing for me. I remember when I took the bar exam. It's this three day test. You GotTa take the lawyer at one point. It was a few years ago so. One way they would try to confirm its use heavy. Do a handwriting exemplar. And I'm the middle of the three day tests. I'm totally stressed out and I have to write handwriting which I haven't done since fifth grade and I'm like. How do you make a cursive q? I, don't remember. But anyway so I print and usually I print block caps, but the handwriting on this it's better if you print with upper and lower case letters, you know if you printing block APPs, it's going to try and make them caps but so you know so my lower case. Letters aren't as a natural to me. Sometimes they come out a little a little wobbly, but it always seems to get it right and And like I said last week I was really impressed with the engine. Did you try out all the tools? They have like to scratch out and insert. You worked with those tools. Yeah, it's fantastic, so if you're writing something and it does MIS translate it. which I found happened not very often. It seems very intelligent, but if it does, you can just like, you wouldn't have paper notebook, or on a Newton back in the day scribbled through the word and deletes it, or you can tap on the word, and you get the standard Iowa's controls for replacing the spell check interface, so it treats it as text you can even, and this is wild to me. Say, you're in Apple, notes or another at the support this you can then select handwriting. Just like you select text and. So it's not. A drawing. It is actual text in your handwriting I. Mean It's amazing, and then if you pasted into a textile, it pace text. Pets. It's awesome, but. You we always talk about how ww DC gives you hints at what's coming, and there has been a rumor now for about six months that there is a new ipad mini coming. That's going to be more like an IPAD pro which would mean it. Has Apple Two Pencil Support Maybe it's a little bigger and I. Feel like this feature makes that product so much more interesting. Little digital notebook. You could have with you everywhere. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, so get good. Good on you apple. Well. You know usually when it's something that comes out of Cupertino. There aren't a lot of hints that it's coming. But it feels like this is real. Mature doesn't feel like Beta to me now my my guess is this has been in the works for a really long time, and and what is cool about it is that if you already have pencil, you just get it right so maybe you picked up a pencil for drawing or just to check it out well now. The hardware you already have is. Way More useful. That's pretty cool. I get that that doesn't happen all the time. It technology and it's also jarring to me. How available it is everywhere in! You want to go and safari and right in the oral bar. You a search. Just write it in. And you're not always GONNA WANNA. Do that, but if you're sitting on the couch with the Pencil, it feels a lot more natural, just righted as opposed to you know. pull up the keyboard and tap away I Don. I am finding myself using it quite a bit. I think once it becomes second nature to me I'm GONNA use it even more. The mode switching stuff and they just takes a little getting used to. Kind of following the theme of a lot of paint in no engine, the actual changes to fundamental apple APPs is very small. Yeah did not get a share button. Didn't even like one of the things one of my quibbles with male. Has Been that like I use a flagging system on Ios to kind of like flag mail for for dealing with it and usually deal with it on the MAC on we. We just did a show that recently. But apple mill on. And IPAD OS does not split the flags for you know it's like if I have thirty items flag, but only a couple of them have the priority flag, and some of them have a priority flag. It's just gonNA. Put them all in one bucket. and. It'll show me the colors, but it's not going to say well. Here's your priority flags. And I thought well. Maybe that'll get fixed this year. It's been a year. No! Yet Stevenson off ski did a thread on twitter. I will put a link in the show notes, and he's the guy who did hardware and software engineering at Microsoft. He had a big job there for a long time. He's kind of a well respected guy. And it was very complimentary of Apple, and just talking about how much discipline it takes an accompanied to pull off what they've done I mean when you think about it. They've turned their whole hardware system into their own silicon system on a chip. You know this apple silicon is going to drive their entire product line, which is going to have so many huge benefits for them company-wide money better power better price, better control everything and he was just kind of remarking at how hard that would be to do. And one of the points he made one of specific tweets was this shows a company? That's willing to sacrifice. You know the day to day stuff in order for the bigger picture in one of the specific examples used was they don't fix things in mail. You know and I'm thinking he must be using and I always device because he knows that there's just. Waiting and melon, and so he kind of felt like he was kind of. Telling me. You know hey dave. It's OK sharing button. They just turned their entire platform to one. You know so. We're con, but they could have like snuck in an extra hour for flag sorting. Yeah, I agree. It's also not the same people designing ships. Anyways, I cut so I installed airmail again I. Mean I'm just. And then it immediately put like six folders that I didn't want. That's it's like. A for another day. I WANNA. Talk about calendar. Yeah, another stock APP that is basically the same except. There is a new date pickers. IRS forever has had the date picker that looks like the the tumblers. Yeah, scrolling wheels, you see in a casino or something, and that's still president of the IPHONE, but on the IPAD you now getting much more MAC like date picker. Which also means that Matt? Matt Catalyst APPs gives us new date picker, so we've complained in the past about home app on the Mac, which is built with Matt Catalyst to set a date and time like using this very ipad touch interface that makes no sense with the cursor, and so this new date and time picker is going to migrate across to this catalyst APPs as well, so yeah, not a super exciting piece of you I like. Date Picker, but boy glad to see it. It will also just kind of demonstrates thinking forward. Because the whole world is going to change in six months when there's a Mac that can run your iphone and IPAD APPS on it. I mean I. Don't think. US nerds kind realize how big of deal that is like. My Wife's laptop is sold that it won't won't take updates anymore. In the speakers of stop working like it's starting to get pretty creaky and. I don't know if it's a battery swelling thing or whatever her? She has to press on her track pad with superhuman strength. That's definitely a battery swelling you. By third precare. You know so so she's going to need a new one but I told her weight because I said you know they're going to have one hopefully by the end of the year that you can run iphone apps and she's like what I mean. That was amazing to her. It's like she never gets excited about tech stuff like I do, but she was. She was. She was like she was planning which APPs she would have on her neck. So I think it's going to be a big deal when it happened. So you getting the date picker? Right? Getting all that underlines stuff done. It's GonNa. Make sense now. You're not going to see that change in existing APPs until they update for the new date picker. This isn't something that just comes automatically across the board. Whereas the Pencil support works pretty much everywhere right now. It's cool, really cool. All right can I give you a brief update on the files APP. Yes, you use it way more than I do so. I'm I'm I'm sitting down. Now it's it's. It's a little better. Okay, it's not as much better as I'd like it to be the If you search, it will search tags, which is great if you go to pick a tag. It's still doesn't have a search bar for. SPO-. I have like four hundred tags because I like I have tags or categories of work. I have a tag for each client and. If I want to tag a file for a client. I still have to scroll through a list of four hundred to find the right one. I still have the same problem, whereas I'm scrolling if I'm too fast with the Scroll Swipe, measuring becomes a touch tagged the file with something. But we'll just kept spending. I tagged it with I. Mean All those problems are still there? I feel like. The long wait for better tagging is still not there on IOS. Sorry Yeah. Sorry Stability overall. What do you think? It's pretty good. I haven't had any apps that doing things silly like crash at launch, but again it's just on my IPAD, so it's it's a subset of the upset I use on. My phone seems pretty solid. Yeah same thing all the APPS that I. do my work on. Have worked I. Haven't had anything crash I haven't had any strange resets and I'm still just marveling at this pencil support. It's like I'm finding new uses for it every day and Overall good and then we got the stuff on the talk about that separately, but you know the you know the widgets on the home screen and and stuff like that is cool to a. we talked about last week. I do wish that the widgets would be in more places than just the left side. which you can move around agreed, and I am not super, I mean it could change in the Beta, but. I want them to, but I'm not positive they will. I think they may be locked over there to that side for a while. And wants third party developer. Start making their own widgets. It's going to be super tempting to want more on the screen, Oh, yeah! Yes, we'll, we'll see if they get freed from. That left hand column. I think honestly the widgets make more sense on the IPAD to be anywhere you want them to be. The I've had also doesn't have the APP library. Thing that's on the phone and I think it makes more sense on the phone IPAD, but I like it to be an option on the IPAD as well for those of us. Who Want it? Yeah, I agree, but everything seems to be working. I mean like I said this is Yonder theme of paint and no engine I. Don't think there's a lot of fundamental underlying changes here, except of course, the pencil thing. Which seems to be rock solid so it. It just seems to be running real clean as a Beta and. I'm happy with it to. This episode of Mac. Power users is brought to you by our friends at Cotton Bureau. 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B of sparks headquarters. Yeah, so I'm just throwing them on her bed. Got I've cut like like a magician. I've got different devices coming out. That you did not loaded on your phone. Right I have not so. I want to hear how it's gone for you. You will do well I'm going to do it like as we. Should still right now. It may be done by the the show's over. Yeah Stephen just slow to. Even it's okay. It's a bad influence. Your home would you going to do because you can reinstall it anyway? Yeah, so I was fourteen. Let's start with a widgets. Okay, because I it's the most distinct thing. It's my daughter. I put the Iowa seven Bayed on her phone years ago, and that cured her of any desire for Betas ever again i. My story about that. No, Iowa seven I've told it somewhere forgiving. If you've heard it, but Iowa seven was the first WBZ ever went to. It's twenty thirteen. and. Mike Hurley had bought an ipod touch to put the Beta on, but I didn't do that as a glock. My phone here I'll just put Iowa seven on my phone. While I'm in California And the phone didn't make it through my first flight home before he died, it was like losing more percentage of battery admitted or something. Really, rough, and you know so. I got home and put it in D.. If you mode I was six back on it, it didn't run the Beta again, but. You know that's the price. You pay sometimes for early Betas so but I've I've run it since everyone Betas, since then normally normally what I do is sometime the end of July early August. Usually what I'll do is I'll have my phone. My Mac on the developer builds and put my phone on the public. Beta and that may be what I follow this year, but I don't sell it to me. Talk me into this. No, it's just it's just really fun and the I just wanted. Wanted to play it. The widgets and I knew we're going to record this show and I felt like somebody had to take for the team so I. Put it on for your work, so the widgets They're really cool, and that makes a lot of sense. Normally you have what traditions called the today you screen to the left side of your screen, and now it's going to be these widgets, and you can to access them or create them. You just put your phone into jiggle mode in UH. The edit screen mode, and then if you go over there, there's a plus button. You can add what. Apple's got a bunch of Bilton ones ranging from shortcuts to you know calendars, the photos and just a bunch of different ones they built. It makes all the old school which it's look a little odd. They still work sort of but I think developers are going to have to kind of really rebuild their widgets to fit into this new-look. Yeah, I've got some info on that. If we want to get into it, yeah, so the the new widget style is a totally new system. They're built in swift you, I and these new widgets are no longer interactive, so say the timer shortcut or the time religious before you could start and stop timeless from it. Now in this new system, all that would do as launch time Ari. The only exception to that is shortcuts. You can't have the shortcuts which it still fire shortcuts that still interactive, but. These new widgets you just have them and they open the APP so they're more about display as opposed to interaction, I think that's something that may change next year or the year after so yeah, they look nicer and I. Think they look great, but they are not maybe as useful. If you really did a lot of interaction with your wages before. Yes, that's a regression in the sense that you can't run the APP from the widget, but it's progress in the sense that it's dynamic display on your home screen. So like the photos changes you put on your screen. The calendar shows your calendar for the day, but even then if you watch the session on this, the big challenge was we don't want your killing the battery to keep a widget updated on the screen, so they that's one of the reasons why it has to be swift you. Y and it has limited resources to go poll new information. So, as an example, we normally record Makarios Eleven am today we delayed it by thirty minutes, and so I moved on the calendar on my Mac and then I looked down at my phone like twenty minutes later in. It still showed my widget on my home screen as eleven o'clock. It's still showed it had an updated. And then at some point you know in the next ten minutes is updated itself, so you're not getting like immediate updates of dynamic information, but you are getting updates and the calendars where I think it affects you the most you know. If you're relying on that and things are changing, you may not have up to date information. All that being said it sure is nice looking at my home screen, and having my calendar laid out for me for the rest of the day I thought I shared my home screen. I'll put it in the show so I was going. Have even share is too, but I forgot that you haven't put your phone on the Beta. Watch share your IPAD. And if you put your phone on between now and the time of release I'm just saying. It's. Interesting that they've made this change of the widgets behind the scenes. They actually work like Apple Watch complications. Where the at like sins a silent edification to the widget and you know maybe the calendar one just needs to send it more often or is not doing something in the background, but I expect that the especially the system ones will run much smoother. The furthest Beta goes yeah, I expected. It's probably a Beta thing that in the future it may not update immediately, but I want to twenty minutes. There stackable to that's something wasn't really clear from the keynote, but once you start playing with it, and you can just set stacks of them, so the very top quadrant of my computer has a stackable, which it, so it's. An icon parlance. It's four across by two down. It's taken that much space. and. I've got my calendar. I've got battery status of them. Let Me Swipe through I've got a screen with for shortcuts and their the four like launching shortcuts. Shortcuts we talk about this and auditors time, but you can make like a choose from menu shortcut, so it's like a shortcut to to rule. All shortcuts got basically four, though so I can launch any shortcut from home screen. And my health data and podcasts and the music, so I can just kind of swipe through those and pick what I want, but I've also got. It turned on to give me what it thinks I want during the period of the day, and never been used in a few days, but it seems to be doing pretty good in general it. It leans towards calendar through the day, but since block scheduler there's a lot of events on my calendar and the evening. It seems to lean towards photos, which is kind of fun to look at it night and see a picture of your kids or something. So overall, it's been pretty good and I didn't finish earlier. When you're building these things on basically the debate today screen use drag it to the right, and it goes on to your home screen, and you can move things around and it. You can put them anywhere. On the bottom where the top it's, it's not like traditional icon APP icons where they just by default go to the top left corner and start filling in. obviously gives you less room for APP icons on screen, so you have to kind of way that. but overall once again. The widgets have been pretty stable had a lot of problem. I have noticed the loss of functionality some of the traditional today view which it's like the Omni focused one and some others would use. You could actually perform axed in them, and now you can't. I was hoping for a little more flexibility in terms of the way, the widgets the by cons. Sort of worked with each other, the it's still basically flows down from the top, so it's not like android where you can basically put them wherever you want. But at the same time apple's done a pretty good job of having multiple sizes and layouts for all of their own, and I would expect. Parties will follow that as well. Yeah, I mean bit for instance I have I have to on my home screen, and with the one is across the top, and the second one is to the right so there are icons to the left of it. You'll see it in the show notes. So, you can kind of have fun with it, but it also feels to me like about how far apple would go with home screen widgets. You know it's not going to go crazy. one thing I wanted to point out is an accessibility feature actually and it is, it's really. Really, just captured captured my attention. where I s can be used to listen to things around you and you could turn them on and off. Some of these animals are a siren, an animal sound car horn, a doorbell water, running baby crying, and if your phone thinks that it here's those things, it will send you a notification and I've got family members with. Pretty severe hearing loss in some other people I know and. It is sort of dangerous world for some people and this I liked the idea of the iphone, which is probably going to be with you most of the time, anyways. Listening out for these things being useful including you into the things around you. Apple just continues to crush with accessibility. Another accessibility feature that has captured me and I made a video about it. We'll put it in. The show. Notes is back backed-up, so they've added an accessibility trigger. You know there's always been several of them. It used to be like if you triple tap the home button, but there's no home button anymore, but now they made it that. If you just tap the back of your phone. Two Times or three times that can be an accessibility trigger, so if you WANNA turn on any accessibility feature, you can double tap or triple tap. And it works, but. Even. Cooler, for nerds like me is, you can also use that to trigger shortcut. And you know like you could say when I show up to work double. TAP The back of my phone and you know maybe displays a certain calendar and changes the playlist and you know does whatever you want to shortcuts, but I kept thinking well. What if you know? Let's make this even simpler. I made a shortcut. A one step shortcut says launch camera. And so now if I I use that, the trigger of two taps on my phone to run the shortcut to launch the camera APPs, so if I just tap my phone two times. The camera APP launches. And then I made another one is toggle the flashlight. So tap my phone three times, toddlers flashlights. If you get up at night to go the bathroom triple, tap your phone and the flashlight turns on. When you get back to bed triple. TAP it again. The flashlight turns off. It's kind of cool, but if there's any APP in your life that you launch frequently, and you'd like to make a double tap launch once you get this installed in your phone. It's it's really easy. I did A. In the screen cast, I showed how you build it. It's it is the world's simple shortcut. It's a one step shortcut y'all I'm looking forward to that. The flashlight is what I thought of immediately when I saw this feature so I'm glad to know that it's easy to set up. The Harry Potter Lummus Feature. But but the trick there is Taga flashlight. You know by default when you have to shortcut with flashlight wants to. Turn it on or turn it off. If you tap on that and shortcuts you can. Actually, there's a setting for toggle 'cause you want to be able to turn it off the same way right, but that's really kind of getting in the weeds a little bit. We haven't even talked about this new system for innovation on the home screen. And that is a little cool in a so you know as they showed in the keynote, we all have a lot of APPS and Craig was right once you get past the second or third screen. It doesn't make any difference. Right you just. It's just madness. Sure so they've got this APP. Library and auto creates Yap. Library the way you get it. It is you keep scrolling to the right to get your last page and you see the library. It's built by default and the The categories make sense the way they display the absence great so in each cube is like a four icon cube. They've got the three primary APPs and I guess they're picking those by the amount that you use them. And taking you know the. The two upper slots in the lower left spot in the lower right spot has for even smaller icons for the next four APP she used in that category, and there's a search field at the top, so if you don't know where it landed, you can just quickly search for it. Exactly and. What a so the way I installed! It was actually went through. And there's no way to do this except one app time unfortunately, but when you're like editing your home screen, you have the ability to add an APP to library and basically remove it from a screen, so it's just in the library. And I removed all of the APPs to the library except enough to fill what's left on my home screen after the widgets on and one additional screen. And I was able to get by me the APPS. I really really WANNA have quick access to fit within those two screens and everything else in the library, and I feel like my home screen is so much better organized now. Yeah! I'm looking forward to that I'm. I've got three pages. The last one was all folders and most of those folders are multiple pages deep and I would love to be able to kind of stop thinking about that. I. I think this is fine I mean the only problem would be I guess if there was an APP that you can remember the name of so you can search it, but with the given categories. It's easy enough to find them Now can you make your own categories or is it all automated by? The Meta data on the APPS. I'm tapping wildly as we speak, I, don't see any way to create my own category, okay? I guess that makes sense because they want you not worry about it. I was just thinking like gotta stash all my folders I. have now in there, but that makes sense. Yeah, you. Kinda gotta let go and let it take control I guess. Categories, like recently added. If you've got APPs, download, and I I've got it set. So it saves new APPs to apply Bray without putting them on my home screen so nice. Looking recently added Social Productivity Entertainment Creativity Reference Utilities. Test Flights I've got a bunch of Beta. APPS, lifestyle, health and Fitness Education Games Apple Arcade Games are two separate ones. If you're an apple arcade, get those separately and other, so it's easy enough. Oh, and then I forgot to mention if you scroll all the way down, it gives you just a listing of all your apps in alphabetical order, so you could scroll through the entire list, which in my case would take quite a while. I have too many APPS. Me Do. Yeah so I think that's a nice take. It's I mean I guess it's enough I think this is a good step, and let's just see how it goes. Is App Management as big of a problem for most people, as it is for the nerds of us that download so many apps. I don't know you hear stats out the average number of APPs. A person downloads in a month I think is less than one, but also I think people just let their phones fill up and they don't worry about it like. I mean I've got close family members who still have like flashlight APPs and no matter how many times I tell them you can just do it from control center. ZAPPA does it's like Oh, well. Maybe people don't clean off their phones. I need to get my My Wife's phone and do some testing of Siri side by. Just to see it feels dictation feels better to me I mean. We talked I did a live test last week and I've continued to use Siri. Dictation I've turned off a voice control, or you know just temporarily and just trying to use Siri dedication near the microphone icon on your keyboard. It feels better. I need to run some tests on it and I just haven't had time yet to see if the timer has increased, and and some of the things but I I do think that they're making progress here. I don't know that they're necessarily equal to Google or dragon at this point, but it does feel like they're putting some wood behind the Arrow problem. Thank you set the right seen would be handy era. 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You I really like the Sleep Watch face 'cause I used to do this crazy thing where I'd go to bed. I had specific face that I had chosen was a very light blue face. I could read it night without like lighting up the room, but I'd have to put my watch into theater mode, so when I tossed and turned, it didn't lighter for my wife, and so now all that stuff is just taking care of for me. I've put in my tell. I've told the out the health APP I WANNA get eight hours of sleep a night and I need to wake up at six. So what we need to do, and now it's starting Deli. Nudge me towards bed, so I get to bed on a good time and. and it puts the watch into that face automatically when it's bedtime, I don't have to manually do anything I could even add shortcuts so if I wanted to add like a like like was dark. Noise that up that. You know you have a play storm for thirty minutes. If I want through my home pod room I could, I can get really fancy with this change. The lighting whatever and all of this is just happening in the background, but the face of you at night is great, and you have to tap it to see it in the middle I. I think it's it's great. It seems really well thought through. It's not as Featured as some of those third party. APPs factor. We're GONNA talk about that on our next episode, but it is enough to cover most people and I think even little features like the when the watches fully charged. We'll send you a push notification on your phone like they're building in those things to make sleep tracking with a single watch a little easier because you've got to charge it. Said some point during the day and you don't it off your wrists too long, so they're trying to make this as easy as possible. Giving given the current constraints at the watch. Yes, so. One other point I wanted to make about it. Is that the Waking up with a vibration on your a really great alarm, you know it's not jarring, and it doesn't wake up the person next to you I. I've been using a watch during sleep for a while and I've always used. Even though there's a lot of great alarm APPS, and they make great sounds. I've always used the built in watch alarm because I did want that tap when wake up my wife, but now that's built into. That's just one additional point. One make getting back to the The data collection it seems good enough for me. Like I had a fitful sleep last night. Don't need explain why but I did. And it was like five hours and forty two minutes I'm looking my watch morning. I'm like yeah, that sounds about right. And just collecting that in the background. We also got a new krona graph a pro. We got some new faces. KRONA PRO is an update to the existing chronic graft face. the old krona graph as the watch face that I've never used. You know I mean. It's just too dense in for. The buttons are way too small for fifty year old is to actually read. I really liked the look. New One I'm not sure that I'll ever use it one of the things they did that. I didn't realize is it's got you can change the colors on it, and the outer rim has these muted colors, so I'm wearing. Olive closed that day I can put the Allah face looks Kinda cool. But. I'm not sure I'M GONNA. Ever release it. I've used the California watch face. Sit came out, and I've got a customized enough that that it works for me so I'd still want more from watch faces. I still would have liked to see third party. Watch faces, but little by little apples making it more flexible. Yeah, I changed through watch faces a lot the California faces when I probably use the most but I also really like the INFO graph modular. And one of the things we got with. This release is the ability to add shortcuts to your widgets or your complications, so put opinion that I wanna come back and talk about that, but this we're on this subject faces. I also really liked the utility face. You know the old starter. And I think this is better. I need to look at another watch but I think this actually got a little better with this release like it now wraps the words across the bottom and the icon seem to fiddle better. You WanNa talk about shortcuts, though on the Apple Watch yes, so this is a a new thing. You can now have your available to you. When you're not here. But I was disappointed to see your note that all shortcuts are sent to the watch by default. This is kind of the shortcut with that we have now. It's like every time. I make sure I don't need it in the widget like I, can put it there if I need it, but. Well Yeah So Short Rosanna. If you're interested in jerk, has Rosemary Orchard and I did a whole hour show on these Betas and automation in the episode of autumn. Years is going to release just a few days after this one, so go check out automakers and you get a whole hour on it, but. The short version on the shortcuts out there is now a button on every shortcut. The says add to watch. And somebody had apple had the choice. To say let's make the default at that is turned off. Or make the default at that is turned on. And that person chose to say the default is that it is turned on and let's say you're someone like me. Who has hypothetically like four hundred shortcuts and I just now have a list of four hundred shortcuts on my watch. And I really want for you know just like on the phone home screen I. WanNa get to those kind of menu bar shortcuts it. Get me to the shortcuts. I want are even less than that on the phone. Maybe there's just like I. Want to turn off the lights and there's just a couple that I really need here. I have to go through and unchecked like four hundred shortcuts. That's. I'm not doing it in in Beta one because I have this feeling that if I do Beta one, I'll get to like Beta three, and they'll all be checked again. You know so I don't. I'm not a fan of that There's just not a good way to solve that problem. On Short circuits as well when we're talking about putting the shortcuts on the widget the trick there as you can now add folders shortcuts. Ages create a folder call widget in that way. You just display the ones that you put into the widget folder anyway. This is cool, but it's unusable to me until I can get. This problem sorted out and once I get it sorted out I think I'm going to have like one to to manage my studio lighting and one two for the going to bed routine and I'm just GonNa have I'm not going to have all my shortcuts on wrist, but there'll be a couple that I would really like to have my wrist. Going to be a few that really are beneficial there. Most of them are applicable. At all on, but there'll be a few that I think you so if everybody. Editing the watch faces, the user interfaces changed. It's just a little easier to understand now and there's buttons and like when you're selecting through colors, it gives you a scrolling list of the colors, tiny dots down the right side of the screen. So if you're looking for beige, you know how far away from your. I think in general. Those are all big improvements. Running multiple widgets I haven't done much of it yet because it's brand new in the Beta. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, so that's where one APP could set multiple complications on the watch face right now. It's one APP one complication. I sent an email to David, Smith saying I'm one of the crazy ones I can test your ups. That's right. You know something I felt kind of you know just looking through all the watch faces. The extra large watch face now has a single complication under, and it's kind of cool looking like if you could. If you just really wanted the time, and like the weather or the time, and whatever single complication. Lot better looking face now. Yeah I think it is also picking complications as better like it'll show. You chose them by APP, but then has can have multiple complications under the APP so like the calendar one can say show me the date the weaken. The Width Day of the week in the month or show me my next appointment. No, so it. It's just making things more user-friendly. This is all kind of leading up to I. Would I would assume is going to be an avalanche of APPs with multiple complications in the next few months. so they're ready for that, but something made me a little sad looking through all my watch faces was the Siri face. Remember when that was such a big deal. And it feels like it's been kind of abandoned. Does I still believe in? You Siri face coming apple about every six months. I think I'm going to try to use this again and it just never sticks. Yeah me, too. Well The the big news is I think an what's again. We're tell you not to install this stuff, but I have really gone in. Cannonball deepened. And nothing's blown up and my work is largely still getting done. That's. That's great to hear me. There have definitely been years where that's not possible and hope that it holds up for you as as goes on because. I'm not having all the way and yet, but. It's there if you want to, and like you said if you have a device, that's not critical to your workflow. It's fun to play with new stuff. Stephen all the listeners right Nara thinkin. Man Steven Great, but I wish he'd just commit for the audience and just install the. Or they're thinking. One of our podcast host has gone. Wild with the stuff. and. The other one is being responsible. I think is the I. I think it's the I. I think they need to commit right now to just install the iphone Beta. We'll see. All right well either way. We are the macari. Just we will hear next week. What happened with Steven and his iphone? By only have you noticed even that I've been sending you a lot more? Me Emojis Oh. Yeah, it's endless. It's a parade of them. I realized last week I've been letting you down and I need to be the memo g person in your life so and now I can send them from my Mac, so it's even easier great. All right so we'll see what happens next week gang. If you want to become a member, we'd really appreciate it. GET THAT AD free version starting in July to sign up. We didn't say that earlier. 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Mac Power Users 477: Mobile Music and Production with Jakob Haq
"Mac users episode four hundred seventy seven mobile music and production with Yakup hot. Hello everyone. Hello yakup. How are you? I'm doing absolutely fine. Marvelous actually and also with us today. Stephen accurate. How're you doing Mr. Hackett? Hey, I'm good. I'm excited to to get into this. You know, I like to think I play Mr. audio producer. But just doing vocals is a different ballgame than making your music. This is going to be fun. It's today. Our guest is Yacob. He's Swedish musician who in five years has produced seven hundred videos on music production and not only are they great videos about music production. We're going to talk today, whether you're a novice or a, you know, Berkeley graduate musician. We're going to have some hopefully, some ideas for you. But how to make music with your mobile devices? He produced all of those seven hundred videos on his ipad, no MAC involved. And it's like we gotta talk to this guy. Let's just start off talking about, you know, what are the mobile devices you're carrying around to do all this work on. Well, right now, I'm actually doing all the capturing like cap. During I'm filming filming. I don't know if that's the right word, but I'm using my iphone six s so it's already got some years on it. Right, but works for for everything I want to do and I mostly work with videos in ten eighty p sixty frames per second. And that that's perfect for for YouTube and a lot of my my audience also watches my videos on these I devices, you know, because of my content. So I it just works. I'm also using an I pro- twelve point nine inch. It's the two thousand and sixteen years model, I think the one that's still has a headphone port. And but earlier used an iphone five of Houston, ipad, meaning one and an ipad Amini two, and I used to add it on those and when I started out editing, my videos and doing stuff, I only had the iphone five. So that was basically the only thing I used for the first whole year all of those videos have been made on one iphone why phone five, wow. And you know, I would imagine ahead on Jack is kind of important for a musician. Yeah. It's extremely important. I had this conversation on a. Whole hotel room with a guy called Gaz Williams, his British musician. He's quite well known. Also when it comes to he deals with this thing called, sonic state. I think it's a like a big site and the big channel he doesn't run it. But he does stuff with the with the guys there, and we talked about this because that's something that really annoys with the new devices that they don't have the headphone ports. And this is why I haven't purchased a new I devised yet. Because I am. So what do you call it? I really need that port. I really need that port. Plus, I don't want to use how to want to use wireless headphones because as a musician as a music producer. It makes absolutely no sense to me to have to stop every six hours to charge. My listening devices. I just find that. Absolutely ridiculous. This. I have a whole rant built up with that. But maybe you wanna ask me more questions for the people. You know, people don't do a lot of Audie work may not realize it's a lot more than just a headphone, Jack. Right. That that three point five millimeter Jack lets you route audio from one device to another. So if you're running it into anything beyond headphones, right? You're running into mixer or another capture device or something recorder. That's a really straightforward way of doing it and audio of lightning just isn't as well supported. And you've got to use a dapper is and you have to not lose those. And then if you don't. The right one, you can't charge the device and audio out. It's it's a it's a really a frustrating experience for people who like you said rely on in need it for their day to day work as a as we say here. I'm not aware. Is there a lightning adopter that has both power and a headphone Jack? Yes. Because all the other ones I've seen just a headphone, Jack. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, this now, we get into really murky kind of country or and this is where I really start to actually just. Oh god. Okay. So this is the thing if you want to get a connector that has all of the ports on it that that you need like you need the use be connection. You need a charger connection. You want a headphone port on there, or or at least a port for plugging in that dungle that headphone Dongo connector, then you can go third party. Now. The problem is finding a third party developer or hardware developer actually makes them where they are MFA certified and this. Is something really important when you're using lightning connectors lightning connectors, it doesn't really do proper use be it doesn't give out a proper amount of millions. It's it's not like us be connection port like on a laptop or a desktop, computer. So it gives out less. So that's a problem with the power consumption. And then when when you need more ports on it. Well, there is companies like Belkin, they make MFA certified stuff and MFA certified means basically main made for I phone made for ipad made for I I can't remember what she was. But this means that they're basically chipped. And they will let us know that they're the legit deal. Right. But if you're buying something from a third party developer that doesn't do these Emma PHI certified stuff, meaning they don't pay apple for the license. Then all it takes is one Iowa's update, and he will destroy that connection with that. Adapter for the for the rest of its life. You're just wasting money. Just one up date. It's all takes this is why always say by the by the original stuff from either apple or by MFA, certified stuff from Belkin, for instance, or anchor also makes them, but they only make charging cables. I think well, you know, when they came in with the iphone, and they took the headphone Jack out they made they made the case say, look, there's very limited space in that little case, and there's just not room for a headphone truck. And yeah, I can buy that with with the ipad. We we all know there's a lot of space in there. I think that probably if you put somebody at apple against a wall and asked them why they'd probably say it's because of that screen basil that they can't do it now. But it's just like, you know, you think of the the the eleven inch and twelve point nine inch ipad pros that are over thousands dollars. Man. I I wish they could have found a way to put a headphone Jack in. Yeah. I think that there's the only answer to this is they just wanna make thinner. This is the problem with connectors like we have the same deal as same. I wouldn't say problem, but we're seeing more goals on hardware synthesizers drum machines music for anyone knowing what that is musical devices that can produce sounds drum sounds since sound stuff that we use to make music with and many of these smaller devices that are starting to come out. Now are seeing these don't go connectors where you have what used to be legacy type connectors like midday connectors, these these big clunky connectors now you get a dungle. Instead where you put this thing into a something that looks like a headphone port. And then it ends up in a dungle clump where you have the actual connector you need. And this is because I mean, when you think about the hardware if you put that connector like that of that size. Into the hardware itself. Then you have you need a bigger case for that. And so if you remove all of these and make these dungarees instead, then it's so much easier to put it down into thinner format. Now, I've never asked for a thinner ipad the ipad. I have is thin. So just for me. That's ridiculous thing. I don't need it to be thinner than this. It's thin. It's light stop just please stop stop bring back. The connectors just bring them back. I remember I gotta use. Hurry, ac- computer when I was in college because it had many ports in it. The the big ones, you know, the big round ones we used to have. Yeah. The legs legacy ones. Do people even use those anymore. I've got a drawer full those cables around here somewhere. Probably get rid of its if there are any musicians probably going to gig a little bit to that for that for the question. I'll let you know. Yeah. We we all use them. Like all the time. It really. Yeah. It's a really good connector it works. It's very hard to plug. It any other way. I mean, you can't just accidentally plug something else in to it. Maybe maybe something from a light show like lights that you used for stage. They use the Mexican next is use the same type of of plug, but we used them all the time. And so I have several multiple different use being their faces that I use with my high Pat on my iphone that ends up in that little dim five that old that you say you had on the Tari, you can even find something similar on on other computers and synthesizers. Yeah. New synthesizers come with them new drum machines, come with them. They still use them. You know, one thing talking through your equipment lists there. You've not mentioned a MAC yet. And I wonder is you gotta MAC in that studio somewhere, or are you all IRS? I am all IOS, but I've had to use a MAC for certain things because apple have made it really hard for me. Or anyone else wanted to do some pro type work. I say that in quotation marks, but to inorder to move stuff from about, you know, into an iphone out from an iphone. It's easier to have access to a MAC, and they'd just so happens that my significant other she works as a journalist and she uses a MAC book. And so whenever I can I borrow that one. But this is mainly mainly for transferring big files that yes, that's what I use it for. It's amazing. How many conversations? On this show about ipad, limitations, come back to file management. I feel like it's it's a ride we can't get off. And I mean, I mean to, you know, move onto audio files around every day, these things get big, and, you know, waiting for something like like airdrop or dropbox or we're going to some sort of cloud solution to sink, you know, big wave files around if you got to work, you don't wanna be waiting for, you know, the internet to do to move these files for you. So I definitely understand that pain. And I have I have the same pain. It's it's you know, there are some great podcasts editing tools for the ipad. But the problem always is how do you get the files on and off right? If you have these boxes that you plug in his Di Carta, they make a wireless connection. Oh, this wild stuff. If we just had USB file access. It would solve so many problems for so many people as can't can't read or at how many times this is the thing that people get hung up on the ipad. So tell me how big. What point does the file become an a manageable for you? And when you do it tempt to move big files around here. I've had because I know you're doing the video production there. How do you do it? So this is the thing. It almost goes back to the start. When I started out. I'm not I'm not some rich kid. So I'm pretty what do you call it? My wallet is always light. And so when I wanted to get an iphone I couldn't go for the really big models with a lot of storage space on it. So I always went for sixteen gigabyte model. I still use a sixteen you could bite model which which after I o s is done with it. You have about eleven the right? So so and out of the eleven you need some storage space for some apps, and then you're left with let's say I have six is gigabytes to film with that's what I use to film with. So I'm really used to doing short clips or only up to five gigabytes in length, you know, whatever that might be in minutes twenty seven minutes in ten eighty p sixty frames second I think that's about their five gigabytes about and so it's never. Been a problem to move it from one eye device to another because you know, Edrich I've hit a wall right now. Because recently, I went down to Germany, and I visited this. I was invited to thing and called tone century actor. So we were twenty-five YouTubers that went down there. Well, it's let's talk about the event itself. But the thing is we did a lot of video work there. And the way that they provided us with the video material was that we had to give them ST carts. Now, everyone using an IOS device hearing ST cards knows that that is a problem because it's not easy to use ST cards with US you could use an old. I leaf connector if you can find them anywhere. Some stores might still have them they've stopped making them, but they will actually take X SD cards. However, you can only use ST cars up to thirty two gigabytes. And here's what I hit an issue. My Asti card that I gave them for storing my videos after every session that we did was sixty four gigabytes, and this I leave I leave eyebrow arch thing wouldn't take that won't recognize it when I plug it into the lightning. So what what do I have to do? Okay. So I decided on getting myself hard-drive know, anyone that has an advice with liking port. You know that you can't use you count us just plug an external hard drive to it. No, why should you? I mean. Why? Right. So have to ask apple about that. So I had to get a wireless one. Instead. And that seems nice, okay. So I got the wireless and it works on a wifi network. So it creates its own hotspot, it's it's actually a Western Digital. My passport wireless broke and creates it on hot hotspot you connect to it through an op, and this is very contrived to do. And then you can send your files to this hard-drive wirelessly over a network and also download the problem was that as soon as you want to send really big files. It just won't work. It won't do it. It won't do it. It also creates a copy of the file within the app. And so if you're already limited on space on your eye device. I it has to download the video file, and so it makes a copy inside the app, and then you can save it from there to your camera roll. So if the file is let's say, it's thirty two gigabytes what you're going to end up with a session of sixty four gigabytes. And I didn't think about that. When I wanted to to pull the the video down to my ipad. So it just kept getting interrupted because there was snow storage space. The copied already copied the file it was already. They're locked into the app not directly down to the camera. Roll. That's an extra step. You have to do. It's so stupid. Yeah. And then when you want to send a file back if it's over five gigabytes, you can't it would just abort every time. And so. What I had to do was borrow might significant others laptop her MAC book connect the drive there. And then copy the files over there, and then send it with airdrop. And suddenly, I realized I bought this really expensive hard-right wireless hard drive, and it defeats the purpose of it being wireless because you know, it doesn't do the job. You have to do this other thing with MAC book. And oh, my I feel so stupid. I feel so tricked. I didn't think that that it could be like this. But yeah, it is. It's just no. How many collective angst is there over file management on ipad? I mean, I feel I feel vindicated. Not the only one I haven't met anyone that does this the the sort of work that I do or even dabbled with it that aren't like annoyed extremely annoyed with the file management systems on s and not only that they most people absolutely hate having to use tunes to move certain stuff around. Now, I don't use. I choose us as little as I can absolutely as little as I can so. Yeah. And by that you're talking about hard wire wire, connecting your ipad to your MAC, and then using the I tunes drag and drop to move files. Exactly. And that's just contrived to. I'm I don't understand why they're setting up there making everything apple is making everything to be as user-friendly, but in in their efforts of making it user friendly when it comes to pro pro. Did I just call myself a pro well pro type of work in quotation marks? I think with the amount of stuff you producing call yourself, a pro. That's okay. We'll give you permission. You get the badge. Okay. Okay. I haven't used one of these awhile. But it didn't they make a lightning to ST card adapter that apple had that you could like the the ST card of your Cameron just plug it into your ipad. And it would go to photos at that point without work for you. Yeah. Okay. The the old camera connection kit dust stuff really really, well as long as stuff is compatible with it. So anything you use with lightning ports with connectors has to be used spe- cloths compliant. Meaning these things shouldn't need any extra drivers in order to work with your eye device because you cannot as you can own laptop or desktop, computer. For instance, where you buy something you by maybe a camera and microphone something else. You know, a sound card or a video editing platform something that connects with USB normally you'd go to the developer of that product website. And then you'll download drivers install them and everything. To work properly. You can't do that on IOS it needs to be over certain standard. It's called clause compliance. It's basically like saying plug and play you just plug it, and it works that means that all of the drivers everything you need is on a chip inside the unit itself. And so with my cameras that I have at home, I have actually DSL our camera that I don't use for video work, but for photography it works perfectly. As soon as I update to us. It doesn't and then they roll up an update it's it's awful. It's absolutely awful one date. And suddenly my camera won't connect. I have to wait three months, and you update comes for IOS and suddenly it works again. And then I have my channel full of comments from people wondering why doesn't this? And that work why doesn't this and that work? My first question is did you update if they say, yes, then I say wait, did I get off on a tangent there? I'm sorry. It didn't occur to me. But with the videos you because you're you're instructing people how to make music with your I devices, but you do get. A lot of questions about technical support. And it's got to be a little maddening when you know, it stuff that's baked in the operating system that you really have no control over. Yeah. And of made several videos of it. I just put up a video I put up a video about two weeks ago about the five reasons to why you get an error message. When you trying to connect something that is use be to your ipad or iphone with a either a camera connection, the older one or the new one that is called the us be three to lightning connector these connectors. When you connect us stuff to it. You can get a pop up message. It might look different depending on what it is you're connecting. And what the error might be. But he usually says something along the lines of accessory not available or excessive not supported or accessory pulling too much power something like that. I made a video of of the five reasons to why that happens, and I just wish that some. How Google made it? So that anytime anyone types in question about accessory not supported that. That video comes up because it's the the most complete video on on on on Google on YouTube that explains every thing that goes wrong with it because it's so confusing for a beginner to actually get into this. You you could actually need Emmanuel for this before you even get one of those connectors. The the reason to why I'm criticizing this platforming. It's because I love it so much because I use it so much so much you're finding your edges. I feel the same way. I mean, I use the ipad a lot to do big boy work, and the file management stuff is the reason I want about it on the show. Sometimes it's because it's not good enough. Why do wanna talk about how you do pull it off? Anyway, despite these challenges right after this this episode of the MAC power users is brought to you by our friends at one password. We all have countless online. 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So let's talk a little bit about your your YouTube channel, I've spent a quite a few hours diving into it over the last few days, and you have really pretty interesting mix video. So you've got stuff for your reviewing different music, apps, or pieces of hardware, you're interviewing people. Kind of how did that get started? How did you end up on YouTube? And and how has that changed over time as technology has gotten better. Right. So I started on YouTube very very early. But this is the thing. I don't pull much attention to it. Because I don't want people to find the really really old stuff. All right. Okay. So I've been on you to quite some time. But it's not like I used my own name or anything connected to me. And usually you couldn't see my face. I talked with with heavy accents in various ways and stuff. But I've tried so many different type of channel formats, and the most successful one I had before this one was was actually channel that is kind of that people some people know about it's called food. Also after blow. I used to do a lot of reggae music and dub music and stuff. So I had a channel foot that but what may be end up on the channel? I am now and hack attack with with my name, and everything was basically something I I started a year after I got sober clean and sober up. Basically because I'm a sober drug. Attic and. Alcoholic, basically. And when I got sober. I started a blog called hack attack where I wrote stuff, and I wrote interviews right there. So I did a lot of interviews with developers. And I did that because I wanted to put faces on the apps who were using and one thing that I saw a lot when among users I myself, he's also users user, but I there's a common theme with a disconnect between the actual developer. Whether it's software or hardware, doesn't really matter. What what type of absorb hardwood? They're making we could be cars or anything else. But these are just people and many times saw a lot of talk about just money, and prices and stuff and usability and functions. And I wanted I wanted faces there because there are people doing these things, you know, there are people enabling me to. Make music the way, I want by building the tools, you know, I can then use the interview started there on the blog, and then it kind of crept away soon as I started making my first to to'real videos, and I started making to'real videos because I just wanted to help people out I had decades so experience with synthesizers at talk music computerized music, and I just wanted to share it with people because there's so many people out there wants to learn about this. So I I started making that it took some time before I actually got into into Ewing people again, and this time I thought he would be cool thing to put it into my video. So I I'm doing this thing now that I've been doing for maybe a year back were I've make a format called docket Auriol's. It's basically like a review a tutorial and an interview all in one with some history about either the developer or the piece of hardware or app that I'm. Reviewing so so it's basically a fully produced show. And I do it like that. Because YouTube also like when it comes to statistics, you know, it's a numbers game with YouTube and YouTube likes it when people watch videos for a long time. And so I've just been trying to find out ways of making making my videos, and my content interesting enough. So that people will want to watch them for a long time. And I think I have it now because I've seen it in my statistics. So that's the I mean did that answer your question. That's basically why why I'm doing the things some doing. Now I wanted to help people. I wanted to put faces on the absent hardware that I use that we use. Yeah. I think all that makes a ton of sense. And I really love the angle of you're talking about the people behind the technology. We use we do a lot of that here on this show and other shows on relay of when you understand where the creator of a product comes from. Whether it'd be an app or a piece of hardware when you understand the goals they had and what they wanted to do with their products. You you understand the product better, and you can see how their influences, you know, affected their work. And of course, if you have a relationship, then you can offer feedback, and it becomes like this this two way thing I think the world's a better place when we know who makes the things we use every day. I think that's super cool. And I also think an additional benefit is it's easy to on. My is an attack these people, I think and a lot of them are guys just like us and ladies, and within that are trying to just make something scratch their own inch that they've got a great idea, and they wanna make it in a, you know, the internet can be so terrible. When you put a face on these things, I think are really helps. Yeah. I mean, there are so many ways you can give feedback and something that is. So not helpful is just trolling. And I like construe. Active criticism. And so I don't have too many videos on my channel where actually do that. Because usually if I find out that an apple and hardware doesn't really suit me. Then I don't wanna waste my time. Talking about it. That's not the type of content. I make I tried to show useful stuff, basically. And for for a long time. I felt like maybe maybe that would be considered to be dishonest by people or something like, hey, why don't you talk about the negative stuff? But so right now, I'm trying to add more constructive criticisms to my videos because sometimes I just really don't like certain things. And but that's the thing when you start with YouTube. You're in the beginning, you can it can be scary to actually say negative stuff about things. I mean short some some content creators they start their their carriers by saying negative stuff about things, you know. And that's how they get known. And. And how they grow, but for me and for many others. It doesn't feel like this natural thing to do. Because you're you're putting yourself out there on the spot. Right. And by the way, I mean, I I've always known that. There are people behind the products are used and sometimes how weird it might sound. Maybe it's not weird. I just want to hurt their feelings. But at the same time, I wanna help them out to make a better product. Because I wanna see I wanna see people succeed in what they do, you know? And and say having watched some of your video, I feel like, you know, we're kindred spirits in the sense that both of us share a lot of workflows and just ways of getting work done. And I'm not gonna spend time teaching you how to do it wrong or a way that doesn't work. So of course, you're going to focus on the stuff that works the best for you. And I get it. Yeah. That's really well put. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. We we spoke some earlier about you're using iphones and ipads to produce these videos and. Using an iphone and ipad to to film. You know, you've got to deal with mounting it, and you got to do with audio. So what does that hardware setup? Look like, right. Okay. So. If I if I can just go back and talked briefly about how I started with it. Sure. All right. So I started out with one iphone, right? And so I had an ipad, meaning one where I was running the apps, and so the first kind of setup had was to shoe boxes taped together with two glass jars in it filled with something to make it heavy and not move around. Sometimes I had to tape these shoe boxes down to the table because I was moving around and the way that I had my my my iphone propped up was on this. I found some leftover would. In my in, my clothing, chamber, chamber, clothing what what's the word for that wardrobe closet? He my closet. Yes. In my closet. My my my significant other Sophia. She collect stuff she doesn't like to throw things away. Which is you know, it's good because you can reuse stuff and fix stuff. And I also like that. So I went in there searching for some would. And then I just grab some Gresham screws. I screw this really ugly. Looking thing together I used to bands. And I basically propped up the iphone over that. And so I worked with that the whole first year just sometimes the iphone would drop down because the rubber bands were getting bad or they snapped or something like that. So he could ruin a whole session for me. And I had to redo everything later on. I got like a big box. It wasn't a shoebox. It was a box for an XBox three sixty or. Yeah. An XBox three six day because I'm a game or two. And I caught holes in the sights of it and on top of it on the top. I only cut out a small piece so that the iphone camera could peek through and then in it, I just glued white sheets of paper inside of it. And then put to light cheap lights on the side of it. And I feel like that for another another year after that. I got a new new iphone iphone six s and I've worked with that with that box for maybe a few months until I got myself, a microphone stand and the little converter that kind of converts the screw for where you normally put the microphone holder it converted into a camera holder, and then I had to get a an iphone holder that would screw onto the camera holder. And then I put my iphone in there. So I'm I'm basically, I'm using it right now, my iphone is in that, STAN. And then I have like a note notebook stand. Where I place my microphone. That's why it keeps on dropping whenever I walk into it. Because it's not really fastened to that thing. If it it's kind of loose on there. And and so that's basically my setup for filming myself. I just used a microphone stand today. Yeah. It's real I kinda liked that. Because a lot of times we hear from listeners that are wanna try something. They wanna make something maybe it's a podcast or a video, and you can get really hung up on the gear about you know, what is the best tripod stand for my my phone. And I love that. You're like, hey, you know, what I just wanna to make video. So here's a here's a cardboard box some rubber bands and I'm off to the races. Yeah. I usually tell people that I hear people I hear a lot of talking from. I cannot start my channel until I buy this fifteen hundred dollars camera. I cannot start my podcast until the by this two hundred dollar microphone, and if you if you have a smartphone in your hand it can be an Android. It can be an Android. But if you have a smartphone if you have an especially an device, then you have a poor. Notable studio in your pocket every day. You're probably walking around with that thing in your hand more than you're holding your your spouse. So I mean, if you have that you have a studio stop talking stop talking the time for talking is is it's done. Start working press record. It's got a camera on there. It's got a record. You don't need anything more than the memo to make a cost. I mean, the the memo application that comes with US open it up start recording and start talking publish it. And then work your off just trying to get that thing out on all social networks. That's how you start you start doing it. You don't talk about you, do it. Yes. You do well and seven hundred videos and five years, I'm going to stop saying. But that's a lot of ideas. So getting back to the ones you decided to do this. You had the ipad, and you had the iphone what where do you do your post production for video production for video editing? Everything I need exists in one app. It's called Luma Futian. It's been on top of its game for a very long time. And at the team has been doing some. Oh my God. Some amazing amazing stuff with it. It's for a long time. It was the closest thing you could get to something like adobe premiere, which is another editor that you can use on desktop and laptop computers. And now, I don't be has made their own only. Dave adobe, you can do so much better. Come on. You you have the biggest team for this the way you've handled the IRS thing is just ridiculous. So they they're not doing it as good as Luma. Futian? Does it in the way that it handles many of the things in there? Like the way that you move stuff around it just feels off they have done some great work when it comes to color correction if you wanna do color correction at Dobie adobe Russia. It's called is really really really good. Luma Futian is good too. It's really really good. It's just that adobe house that adobe flair to it. And so I would say in that thing they're really top notch. But then again, Luma fusions color correction stuff, isn't bad. It can also load three D lots and for anyone into video production. You'll know what that means if you're not into video production, you'll you'll have to Google it. Because I can't really explain it to you that well, but it's a way of color correcting stuff, and when you're using three lutts you have almost three dynamic three dimensional workspace. When it comes to the colors and Luma fusion allows for. Realtors like that it can import filters for many other popular apps. It can save presets with which is a big thing, you know, with video editing apps on I s because most video editing apps are made for people who want to post stuff on Instagram, for instance, or Facebook, and I would say that these are the most bog starndard stuff you could ever use. Unfortunately, Apple's own apple IS own. What's it called? I'm moving movie. Yeah. It's so bog standard. It's ridiculous. It does the job if you wanna do publications for Facebook and stuff, but if you want to work with layers, then you have to look at either Luma Futian or premier rush but with premier. Yeah. You know, you have to pay micro transactions to actually unlock the real stuff with Lou infusion. It's it's a one time price. I feel differences. You know, the Dobie up was was a an ipad made to fit in their platform of apps. It's one piece of many things whereas Luma fusion is an app made just to be just a killer video app for the ipad without holding it to anything else. I think that the word we're looking for here is when it comes to video editing on IOS Luma. Fusion gives him more cohesive feeling when it comes to that because it was made to be used for video editing specifically on IOS adobe rush fields. Like, it's feels feels kind of rushed. I think pun was intended here. But. What what was it? I was going to say I was going to say, it's yeah. Like you say it's like a port feels like they ported stuff from from the desktop portions. I've never been a big fan of the adobe user interfaces even back when they were just on MAC. I've just never, you know, when a company makes their own user interface as opposed as using the system user interface. It always feels to me like they're showing off a bit that they do that. And quite often, it's inferior especially for users who are used to something working certain way. Yeah. I would agree. I mean, it's more USA friendly. If you used the interface all the of the operating system itself in some form away. This episode of the MAC power users is brought to you by Omni, focus checkout version, three of focus with a MAC, the ipad and the iphone if you listen to the show for any length of time. You know that I use on me focus to hold my life together. What I really like about me focus is how flexible it is a good example of this is in version three new feature. 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If you could kind of talk this through the steps, you take when you import video, and you you do your post production on your ipad. Right. So usually, I feel my iphone. Okay. And then I use address Justice send it over to the ipad. And so it ends up in the camera. Roll. That's usually where I want all of my material. Whether it's pictures or video, and then I simply opened up new Futian, and it has like a file system, which makes sense. So you just go to photos, you go to if you have folders than they will show up. If you're using dropbox they will show up. If you have a wireless drive like DVD one. I have if you connect that it would show up you can import your visas from there, but the simplest wave. Just to pull it in from the camera down into one of the lanes. And now, you have three lanes to work with basically where you can put graphics in it like video and pictures. So even though you only have three lanes. I mean that's a bit limiting if you're used to working with something else like premier for instance, or or something on the laptop predicts top systems, the lanes aren't locked into one certain type of media, you can put videos in there in ammo V files. So you can put MP four files in there and other types you can't use 'em peg because I o s. Apple, but anything else you can also put JP pictures in their Jif gifts. If they're got got a transparent background, it will, you know, still have that when you put it in you can also text layers in there and the tech layers can contain objects, and they can contain pictures. So there's so much you can do with it. So I basically just cut cut up my video and my audio at the same time put them together. I'll put some text over it do some zoom. Zoom outs. Some animations. You can animate stuff. You can move stuff around into picture. I do motion tracking by hand anyone into video production knows that that is a. They you're probably thinking that I'm insane. And you're right. I am insane. For anyone that doesn't know you kind of have to look it up manual manual tracking in Luma Futian Gogel that on YouTube. You'll find my video and you'll see how insane. I am. But why did you do it by hand? Because there there was no way to automate that with the script you can't do that in premier for instance, or something like flash all any type of video editor that has key framing SE it's called. It's basically when you put down point, and you say, I want this thing to do this. And then when it comes to the next point I want this thing to do that. So you can basically tell the the application to move the video from the left to the right between two points, and you can do so much more intricate stuff, but that's the that's the gist of it and with laptop and desktop computers. You have scripts that will automate stuff for you read. The video for you. Do the tracking for you. But on IRS you have to do everything by hand. So a task that would take maybe two minutes to do on the macbook. It takes me two hours. But I still do it because it's cool. You know, it looks cool. So I still wanna do it. That's the platform I've chosen so. Yeah, I'm basically torturing myself. Well, you know, sometimes people feel that way the ipad. But it it just such an interesting device. There's a lot of folks like you that that want to do that they want they want to you know, I felt like for you. It's not like you're not trying to prove a point you just like working on the platform. Well, David you're going to be so disappointed in the maybe it's maybe Stephen also I kind of I kind of. I started wanting to getting to IRS because I wanted to prove a point to some of my producer friends who looked at that thing and said, that's just a toy. It's ridiculous to think that you can do anything serious with it. And then it turned into thing. And and now it feels like torture because now I'm not doing it to prove a point. Now, I'm just doing it because this is my platform, so well, and we and to be fair, we really started with the hardest thing we went to the video because you know, it was impressive to me. What the music you make in in your videos on YouTube there. There's some really great content in there about how to make music with your mobile devices. But to me, it's like next level that you're doing all that video production as well. And that's where we started. Let's go back to the thing you were talking to your producer friends about in music production. And how did you get started doing that on mobile, and and give us some help? If somebody's listening to get started on their own, right? Well, when I got onto the mobile platform, I started with an iphone five and my first task was actually to find ways of working like I had done before. This will be hard to understand if you don't hear about my background. So I'll do that with short. I'm forty now. I'm in my forties. Snow so I've been doing this music thing for a very very long time. I would say that I started long before I was ten so maybe five, but I would say that it really started. When I was ten, and I got introduced to this concept of electronic music and making it on computers. You know through the games, I played I love a bit style music. Chip tune style music gets as it's called for anyone who is an into gaming. That's the kind of music. I if you're in your forty to fifty six this now, if you heard a lot of blip blobs coming from the children's room, you know, all all day long. It's because they were. Playing games, and that's type of music. I grew up with and started loving. Yeah. And so I wanted to make music like that. And so the first experience I had with making electoral music loss on on a on a Commodore sixty four and then Tari S T than Amiga and it went on from there. I used everything from tape to reel to reel recorders estedat recorders. I was an early adopter of minidisc, which was really contrived. And there wasn't all at all fun to use. But hey, they were cooled, you know, at the time. I haven't used eight track. I know you Americans love that are not you Americans. I I know the American view viewers. I know the American listeners like that. And I'm going to try to get into that for my channel actually someday because we'll be cool, but I've done everything. And then suddenly, I'm I'm in on this platform where I'm sitting with big tower. Computers, P C backing today max inside there. Professional studios, whereas was working with the musicians and bands. And suddenly on I'm on s and I have nothing of the old studio. I don't have my old studio. I don't have my old synthesizers. I have nothing I have this iphone, and now I have to find ways of actually doing everything I could do in the past but on this little device. So if you've never ever picked up an instrument before or if you've only done like like briefly, but you really want to get into it. And you don't you don't want to learn and you instrument right away. Then there are apps out there that you can use that you can download for free. Now, this one that I'm gonna mention is free, me Yelm. So in the end, you might have to pay to unlock at certain engine or something it won't be much. But if you wanna get deep into it, then you have to pay a small amount. It's a micro transaction world used to that by now, you know, but there's an app called groove box by amplify. And it basically it has scaled in there when you open it up, and you load up an instrument, and you will instantly start playing a drum loop. And when you switch out the different drum packs or the different presets if will play different drums, so you can just choose something you like, and then you can load another instrument and keep going, and if you wanna go deeper into it, you can, but you don't really have to think about what you're doing. You just have to start out and listen to it get get caught up by it. And that will make you wanna do it more or you discover that you don't want to do music at all. Which is also a good thing. You know, knowing what you don't like there is such a rich assortment of applications, especially on the ipad. I think where it's using that surface to create music for people who are really into it or people who are just getting started. I that's one of my favorite categories of apps, like even just like, I I have some. Apps. I use that accompany me like if I wanna play my instrument and have it play the the changes for you know, scrapple from the apple or something it can play the court changes in the background. I mean, no matter what your level is on this stuff. There's always something to help you play a little more music. Take me, for instance, I never ever really cared about like music theory as we call it. I never really know. What notes I play or anything, but I've been able to make albums and music without that I've been able to make make music without knowing how to play conventional instruments properly. I mean, I've learned stuff over the years. But if you think about this I've had to get tar in my home, like an acoustic steel string guitar of had the regular string guitar, I've had electrical electric guitars. I've had base of had the the violin. I also have a cello. Stunning here right now to the side, and I've picked up stuff over the years. Years but off the you would think that after twenty five years. I would be really good, right? No, no, not at all. I hate playing on those instruments. I think they're oh God people are going to hate on me. Now. I think they're boring. I'm sorry. For me. These instruments are boring. I'm much more. My best friend's my best friends are synthesizers. My best friends are stuff. That makes weird sounds stuff where you have like knobs on them. I I like sculpting sounds that Kant be made with conventional instruments. I like emulating conventional instruments with synthesizers I mean of of set with several synthesizers tweeden them to make them sound like a guitar and people would say like why would you do that? Why not just get tar? And I'm like, well, that's just boring. It's just boring. I do it because I can you know, I it's cool. It's it's a way it's like, you're solving a problem. Every time you tweaking. A patch? How do I get to this thing? How do I do this? And sometimes you discover stuff on the way, I mean short you can't get creative with your tars. You can make them sewn very differently depending on what you do with them. If you decide to tape up the whole body of your guitar, it's going to change in Tomba intone. The sound is going to be different. If you drill a hole through it. This sound is going to be different. If you do anything to the the strings this sound is going to be different adjust. I've just done all of that already. But with synthesizers, I haven't done everything I haven't I don't think I'll ever be able to it for the rest of my life. Now, if we can go back to if people are beginners and want to get into apps on their devices, then there are two more apps, I would series -ly, they you know. I would I would love for you to consider at least checking these ups out and one of them's called space Kroft. It's made by an English Gent called Mark watt. And. I I don't wanna talk too much about it. Because if I start talking about it it's going to sound weird. All you have to do is pay that very little price for it. This is a paid up you pay for it. I think it's around five dollars or something. It's not much and in euros. I think it's the same. But. You just just pay for that thing. Put your finger down in one of the windows move it around and you're going to thank me you're going to think me afterwards, especially if you're a person who doesn't do music at all. And you just you just want to fiddle around with stuff and make something happen. You know, we are wait get space spacecraft. Put your finger down move it around. And you're going to me. There's also an app called koala sampler like the animal Kuala, and it's really new. It's also about five dollars. It's a sampler which means that it basically records sound into the app, and it's it does it in a very very quick way. You basically put your finger down you talk into sing into it. 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That's like, I think eleven or twelve and I think like I could sit down with him and this app when we could have fun making stuff, you know, the other thing I was thinking when you're talking about synthesizers, you know, as child of the seventies and eighties. I used to ride my ten speed to the music store and look at the racks and racks of the original of original Bose one of the the one of the original Moog synthesizer, they had there where you know. There was a keyboard. And then there was like a linear foot of electron IX behind it and just like super expensive synthesizers back in the day. And if you are interested in that at all or always wanted one, but you couldn't afford, the, you know, thousands and thousands of dollars acoss now for mere dollars. You can buy the apps on your ipad, the Moog one in particular. If you want to customize you can do just about anything you can even connect virtual wires between different sections of the keyboard too. Change the sound, right. You're talking about the mobile model. Fifteen right Moke. Yes. Yes. Now, don't say you're sorry. I mean, the US is citizens have told me you should say Moke. And if you lifted into action listen to Bob mogul himself talk about this that name is Dutch. And the way you say it is like a Klingon mall. So I mean, you can say Moog Mogo or whatever. Right. I mean it works. Yeah. I say mobile because I sat down when I was at this event. I talked about earlier where all the YouTubers got together. I sat down with a guy from mobile, and he showed me one of the most into Cise two of them. It's the one is called grandmother thirty two and the other one is called D fam-. I sat down with Jim Guy called Jim. And he showed me these things, and he basically convinced me to want to get into the patching again and patching is when you have a lot of holes. In a synthesizers and you put cables from one point to another. It's complicated stuff. If you're a beginner, really complicated. But if you don't want that then on IOS, you can get an app called Moberg model D. It's kind of I wouldn't say a clone. I wouldn't say it's like in application replica of the hardware Mini Moke, which is into Sicer, and it doesn't cost much and Kurt Bevin. One of the lead programmers and his team has done such a great job on it. So that when I made a comparison video on my channel. Well, people couldn't really hear the difference between the hardware and the software, which is you know, that's. Well, I'll say this. I'll tell you this. Okay. Youtube will compress the audio quite a bit. So I'll blame it on just so that if there are any mogul or south there, so they don't go ballistic on me right now. Well, it is a testament just just how powerful these Iowa's devices have become, you know, the ipad, an iphone for years now have been really been supercomputers, and they can crunch all this data and do all of these things in real time even ten years ago that was something that was just you know, people were dreaming about now. You can just do it on a slab glass. It seems like the future. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I was sitting probably when I was around the age of ten when I started getting into the Commodore sixty four and everything, you know, loading cassette tapes into the machine watching a blue screen load. Oh my God. I get fuzzy from thinking about it. I could oh I just wanna go and grab my C six four right now and have it as a. Night light with that screen loading screen. And sometimes there's different I'm getting off on a tangent here back, then I used to think that hey, wouldn't it be cool? If you could have like this thing, this one little thing about as big as, you know. And I phone I wasn't thinking iphone back down. But about that big that could become anything musical you. Could you could just switch out everything on it? And I'm sitting here thirty years later, but it's in my hand. And it's been in my hand for what is the no seven or eight years. I think that I've had it. Yeah. And it's actually it's actually doing that. Not only is it allowed me to make music. It's also allowing me to produce. Videos. It's allowing me to make animations. It's a it's a loud me to to build a career for myself as an expert in the field. On this. It's allowed me to get into a situation where I get invited to a big events with twenty five other YouTubers where my channel is probably one of the smallest ones and do some amazing stuff. I've been I mean, this thing in my hand as much as I hate how much you know, apple does stuff. Sometimes it's allowed me. It's giving me the tools to get to where I am today to to to actually sit there and actually consult big tech companies about their products and being and being able to to send an invoice for consultant for consultations and stuff. I mean, it's amazing. It's amazing of built so much with this and are basically being using like to I devices right to to portable devices. I can call on it. I can I can do my business males on it. I can draw on it. It's amazing sympa soda. The MAC power users is brought to you in part by our friends at hover buying a domain. Name is the first step to build in your online at Dimity and with hover you find the domain that shows the world who you are. And what you're passionate about. I've been a customer for years. I love the simplicity of buying domains from hover. They treat the customer through spank and give you exactly what you need. In fact, both of my children when they were born I went on her and purchased domains for them. 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You know, apps and services, you're using beyond the music and video production. I'm really. Really bad at it. But I for the most time like like this interview we're doing right now. I wrote it down in the what is it called the calendar app that we have on the advice? I use menu of the native apps on our devices. I use the notes I use that a lot in the notes is being used all like every hour. I write something down something new. It might be something for a script. They might be titled for video. It might be reminders to myself making a thumbnail might be the Email address address. I use the contacts a lot. I mean, I make sure that all of my contacts are up to date with addresses phone numbers Email addresses, all of that like the native stuff in IOS is really really good and really straightforward to use everything from making appointments, and it's all there and. And I also use ibooks a lot because I use a lot of I I read a lot of PDF's manuals specifications for synthesizers applications stuff like that. And I need someplace where to read it. And I used the ibooks apps for that. I didn't really know that until a year ago. My my my my girlfriend. She told me like, hey, you can use I books for that. She even uses it to show her tickets when when she buys Trent train tickets so flight tickets, she'll get that into like a PDF. She'll throw it into I book, and it's easy to load and show like instantly. So that's what I got for two is notes for that. I just have a notebook called travel and there's a note for like WBZ flight WC hotel, and it's easy to get to that. Listening to you talk about using the native apps. So many of us overlook what they can do because we want. We we want some, you know, some specialized feature that calendar notes doesn't have, but they're -ality is most people a lot of people just use the native apps, and I think that's why it's really important that apple keep them updated to keep them. Fresh notes got a big overhaul a couple years ago, and everyone moved into it. But they've got to keep it competitive. And all of those things we've talked about as I think anyone out there, including you, you know, saying, oh, I just use the native stuff like it'd being built in means like it is the default for most people. And I think that's totally fine. Yeah. I mean th there is. I mean, they could be like an advantage to use third party apps. Like, for instance, here I'm sitting with two notes, basically. So I have one note opened because I'm using split screen since I'm using a big ipad, the twelve point nine inch one I can use split screen mode. Meaning you you can have two windows open at the same time beside one another which is a really nice thing. I do that. Sometimes when I watch YouTube videos, taking notes for future stuff when I do research and other things reading articles. Sometimes I have to read science articles. In order to understand certain types of synthesis. So it's nice to to have the notes on the left, and maybe like safari owned the right? But for this instance, like you guys sent me a thing with some topics in it and stuff, and that's like a Google document. I had to download that app because I don't use it because the notes one can do the same thing, basically. And that's how I used to do scripts together with the Audubon guys when I made the videos for them for their channel. They basically hired me to do to to'real toils. And so we sat and right wrote the scripts together inside the notes, we didn't use any anything else. And you did that collaborative Lee at the same time. You wouldn't see the curses real time. Which is a good thing to have if you're. You might end up editing the same thing. But when you're sitting there, and you're talking to this guy, you know, at the same time over Skype or something which I use. No, wait, I used I actually use FaceTime with him. I use FaceTime. Most of the times when I talk to people because a lot of the people are talked to have apple devices. But yeah, I had to get Skype for talks like this the one we're doing right now. But when you sit in talking to someone you'd know where they're act because you know, they're talking about what they're doing. And so it's not like you over like overdubbed each other in the text or anything like that. And it kind of it updates instantly to you know, when you're connected, even even through four three g network or four g network, it inst- instantly updates. It's really nice thing. I could I could a second man. I guess I'd say, you know, the focused podcast that I make with Mike Schmitz, we've been running the with apple notes for six months now and. No problem. I mean, it's not as immediate as the actions with Google docs, like when we're gonna go the locks. I can actually see Stephen highlighting and moving Texas. We're talking with apple. It's just kind of happens. You know, you just see suddenly, Texas moved. But it's it is instant enough that it's fine to work collaboratively at the same time with I think a lot of people don't realize that. And and I think apple notes, I think is probably the better apple application to do that in then pages also supports that. But I feel like there's there's so much more bandwith with pages. Does so much more that I think it's not quite as as peppy in terms of collaboration the native apps a really really really good when it comes to third party, apps and stuff that aren't production. What can I tell you? I use. I use did something called digitally imported it's called D. I dot FM. It's a radio channel it collects electronic music, chronic music channels. They're not channels per se. They're basically playlists of music, and it can be you can listen to it for free. And then you have to listen to ads just like Spotify. But it only plays a certain type of music on those channels. And so I listened to that a lot. I I use I listened to a lot of garbage music and a lot of grime and dub, step and drawing base stuff. Like that. When I work with stuff that where I don't need to use. My my ears like music production. If I do thumbnails or graphics or animations, then I will listen to music and use that app. So I mean, I don't use that many third party apps to do other stuff. I mean, other than you know, dropbox, of course, because I absolutely do not like clouds, but yeah, that's just me the. And so you read all your scripts and apple notes, and then now, I've I've watched your video. So you do a lot of video of your scripts on camera. Are you reading them back or how you know how what's your workflow for that? It depends on what type of video it is nowadays. When I make my dog Oriels the stuff I've been doing for the loss posture where it's a mix of its to'real interview. And all that. Yeah. When I do those I script and like maybe fifty percent of the video fifty percent is the actually the parts where I need to be extremely care about what I'm doing in the to'real bits. I need to make sure that the the users or the end users or the viewers get what I'm talking about. I need to highlight stuff in a certain way, I need to use the right phrasings, and I get that wrong. Sometimes. But that's where I need the script. But when I walk around in the room in front of the camera. That's unscripted. That's just me talking. I'm just saying whatever comes out, and whatever sticks, you know, I'll use that individual soldier. I'll cut down a twenty seven minute segment down to three minutes. And then I'll redo a new segment because remember I'm using six. Thank you goodbye phones. After I less. It's ten after the apps I have six and so I'm limiting myself down to five because if you record more than five you might end up having this session deleted because you'll get a cocoa or meaning you you cannot save the fall because two large. So it will just dump it out. I just love this idea that you're shooting the video and that in the back of your head. You know, there's a ticking time bomb authority. At some point. It's true bigger cameras to you know, a lot of like DSL ours or mirror less have a thirty minute time. And I've been called by that on my Sony talking to camera doing something, and it's like, oh, no, you know, you're done and you go and like, oh it cut off at some point. Like, I wonder when that happened, and there's always a strain with equipment, and I find it especially frustrating with video. Sometimes I don't do it as much. I I had that with some of the YouTube stuff. I do I was using a livelier Mike, and I had it plugged into zoom h one and I seen realize the ship. I had an the storage the micro Esty was very small, and I did a bunch of recordings and realize I got like five minutes of audio like, oh, yeah. That's a bummer. That is a bummer. With the camera there, Stephen you can actually hack your software. So you can load like bigger bigger cards. And also, you you could circumvent the thirty minute, Mark. I mean, the camera. I have it doesn't have the thirty minute Mark anymore because this camera actually earned that through job. And so they already did the hack to it. So. It can record about an hour or more actually. Yeah. And take double the size. I've looked at that. But it's under warranty still, so I'm a little nervous about it. Okay. Just just wait a little bit. And then just yeah. Yeah. Check back in a year. It's like, oh, yeah. Totally did it. Yeah. I do hope that when June comes around that with the new Iowa's thirteen that we get some improvements to at least the operating system. I don't think they're going to be able to add the headphone Jack back in software. But if they did that with you pretty cool. Yeah. I mean. Guess we'll have to wait and see. But but in the meantime, I I wanna thank you for coming on the show everyone I head over to yacob's channel, especially if you have any interest in digital music. There's just so much to take in there. I love the way you do the interviews with the app developers. You get kind of their vision. But also like your your method. Clearly, you have opinion says we heard on the show, and I I like that because it comes out on your channel. And it really helps people that want to get into digital music. Whether you're a beginner, you're advanced there's something there for you. And thanks for your time today. Thank you. I hope I haven't just sounded like a very angry, dude. Because whenever I talk about this. I get angry because I care so much. I love this. I love this platform, we're passionate because we care. I love this platform. And that's that's it. I love it. I don't want to see it. Go to waste become something horrible. Okay. So we're going to put in the show notes your YouTube channel, you're also on Instagram. So we'll put that. On there and your website. I we'll put all your contact details in there. So people can go check you out. And and once again, thanks for sharing your time. You know, scheduling show where one person is in California, and one instance, Sweden nev- never very easy to early cooperative. And thank you for doing that as well. Yeah. No problem. I mean, this is my prime time. I always work during nights and evenings. I usually go to bed at about four or five or six in the morning, while you are a musician brother, you are musician because I really am. I used to do that. I used to be in a band. I'd be out till two AM doing gigs. I can't do it anymore. I don't I don't I don't have the gas. Thank source one password on the bombast and hover and we'll see all next week.