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Ep7 "Butcher of Plainfield"
"Hi and welcome to crucify each week. We will dive into anything and everything. That is will creepy. These stories will be spine chiller something that will make you think. And maybe hide under the covers. Don't be surprised if some episodes make the little hair stand up and you feel somewhat someone might be watching you now with your nerves on edge and attention grabbed. I'm Brandon Smith. This is by small towns. Usually have small things happen in Vincent. Low populated locations tend to have big events to themselves but never make it. Further to mainstream denser areas. In contrast a murder of any magnitude would happen it would make history and in the nineteen forties all of that would change plainfield Wisconsin in the nineteen forties would only have a population between five hundred and seventy one and six hundred eighty citizens and still to this day. The steel under one thousand citizens no one in plainfield living in the nineteen forties would even fathom that they were living among amongst this whole time. This monster be nicknamed the butcher of Plainfield. But you may know this man by another name again. F. Gin was born in La. Crosse County Wisconsin on August twenty seventh nineteen O six. The second of two boys of George Philip gain an Augusta gain had an elder brother. Henry George Gain Augusta hated. Her husband and Alcoholic was able to keep a job he had worked at various times carpenter. Tanner an insurance salesman. George owned local grocery shop for few years but sold the business and the family left to the city to live in an isolated hundred and fifty five Acre farm in the town of plainfield which became the GIN families. Permanent Residents Augusta took advantage of the farms isolation by turning away outsiders who could have influenced or sons. Edward left the farm only to attend school outside of school. He spent most of his time doing chores on the farm. Augusta was religious and nominally. Lutheran priest her boys about immortality the world the evil drinking and her belief that all women except herself were naturally instruments of the devil sheared time every afternoon. Read to them. The Bible usually selecting verses from the Old Testament concerning death murder and divine retribution. Edward was shy and classmates and teachers remembered him as having strange mannerisms such as seemingly random laughter as if he was laughing his own personal jokes to make matters worse as mother punished him. Whenever you try to make friends. Despite his poor social development he did fairly well in school particularly in reading on April first. Nineteen forty it's by the George died of heart. Failure caused by his alcoholism he was sixty. Six years of age. Henry and ED began doing odd jobs around town to help cover living expenses. The brothers were generally considered reliable honest by residents of the community Wa both worked as handymen at also frequently babysat for neighbors. He enjoyed babysitting seeming to relate more easily to children than adults. Henry began dating and divorced single mother of two and plan on moving in with her Henry worried about his brother's attachment to their mother and often spoke ill of her around Ed. Who responded with shock and hurt on May Sixteenth Nineteen Forty Four? Henry and ED was burning away. Marsh vegetation on the property the fire though got out of control drawing the attention of the local fire department by the end of the day. The fire having being sting wished and the firefighters going. Ed reported his brother missing with lanterns and flashlights. A SEARCH PARTY SEARCHED FOR HENRY. Who's dead body was found lying face down? Apparently he had been dead for some time and it appeared that the cause of death was heart failure since he had not been burned. Or you know injured otherwise. It was later reported in herald biography of GIN. That Henry had bruises on his head. The police dismissed the possibility of foul play and the county coroner later officially listed. I fix Asian as the causes death. Your thirties accepted the accident. Theory but no official investigation was ever conducted. An autopsy was never performed some suspected that Ed gin killed his brother. Questing gained about the death of Bernice warden in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven state investigator. Joe Will brought up questions about Henry's death. George studied the case wrote that. In retrospect it was possible and likely that injuries death was Cain and Abel Aspect of this case Guinness. Mother were now alone. Gusta had a paralysing stroke though. Surely after Henry's death and again devoted himself taking care of her sometime in one thousand nine hundred eighty five zero gin later recounted he and his mother visited a man named Smith who lived nearby purchase drawl according to again Augusta witnessed Smith beating a dog a woman inside the Smith. Home came outside and yelled at him to stop but Smith beat the dog. Death Augusta was extremely upset by the scene. However what bothered did not appear to be the brutality toward the dog but rather the presence of the woman Augusta told at a woman was not married as Smith so she had no business being there. Smith Harlot Augusta angrily called her. She had a second stroke soon after and her health deteriorated rapidly. She died on December. Twenty Ninth Nineteen Forty five at the age of sixty seven. Ed was devastated by her death. In the words of the author Herald he had lost his only friend and only true love and he was absolutely alone in this world. Gin held on the farm and earn money from our jobs. He boarded up rooms used by his mother including the upstairs downstairs parlor and living room leaving them untouched. While the rest of the house became increasingly squalid these rooms remained pristine gin live thereafter in a small room next to the kitchen around this time. He became interested and reading pop magazines and adventure stories. Particularly those involving cannibals were Nazis. Gin was a handyman and received a farm subsidy from the federal government starting nineteen fifty one. He occasionally worked for the local municipal road crew and crops rushing crews in the area sometime though between nine hundred forty six and nineteen fifty-six he also sold about eighty acres parcel of land that his brother Henry owned but on the morning of November Sixteen Nineteen fifty seven plainfield hardware store owner Bernice warden disappeared. Plainfield resident reported that the hardware store truck had been driven out from the rear of the building at around nine thirty. Am The hardware store was closed the entire day. Some area residents believed that this was because of deer hunting season. Bernice Wardens Son. Deputy Sheriff Frank Warden into the store around five o'clock. Pm to find the doors. Cash Register Open and bloodstains on the floor. Frank Warren told investigators that edgy and had been in the store that evening before his mother's disappearance that he will return the next morning for a gallon of antifreeze. A sales slip for a gallon of Anna. Freeze was the last receipt written by warden. On that morning she disappeared on the evening of the same day game was arrested at West Bloomfield. Grocery store and county sheriff's department searched again. Far County sheriff's deputy discovered wards a capitated body and shit against property hung upside down by her legs with a crossbar at her ankles and ropes at her. Rhys Torso was dressed like a near ship and shot with a twenty two caliber rifle and the mutilations were made after searching the house authorities have found the remaining whole human bones and fragments a waste basket made of human skin human skin covering several chair seats scars on his bedpost. Female SKULLS SOME WITH TOPS. Sawn-off bowls made from the human skulls of course at May from female torso skinless shoulders to waist leggings. Made from human leg skin masks made from the skin of female heads. Mary Hogan's face mask in a paper bag. Mary Hogan's skull in Box. Bernie's wardens entire head and a burlap sack Bernice wardens heart in a plastic bag in front of gains potbellied stove nine Volvos in a shoebox a young girls dress and the two females judge have been about fifteen years old. A belt made from female human nipples four noses a pair of lips on a window shade drawstring lamp shade made from the skin of a human face fingernails from female fingers. These artifacts were photographed at the State Crime Laboratory and then destroyed when question again told investigators that between nineteen forty seven in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. He made as many as forty. Nocturnal visits to three local graveyards. Zoom recently buried bodies while he was in a daze like state on about thirty of those visits. He said he came out of the days when the cemetery left the grave in good order and return home empty-handed on the other Cajun's he dug up the greatest recently buried middle aged woman. He brought in reassembled his mother. He took the bodies home where he tanned their skins to make his paraphernalia. Gin stealing from nine graves from local cemeteries and let investigators to their locations. Allen of the State Crime Laboratory participated in opening three test. Graves identified by again. The the caskets were inside wooden boxes. Atop boards. Ran Cross ways. Not lengthwise the tops. The boxes were about two feet below the services. Sandy Soil Gin at rob the gray soon after the funerals while the grades were not pleaded the test graves zoom because authorities run certain as to whether the slight gain was capable of single. Hanley digging up a grave. During a single evening they were found again described. Two of the exumed were found empty. One had a crowbar in place of the body. One casket was empty. One cask again fell to open when he lost his pry bar and most of the bodies was gone from the third grave. You're GonNa Return Rings and some body parts soon. After his mother's death game began to create a woman suit so that he could become his mother to literally crawl into her skin. Gin denied having sex with the body's heat explaining they smelled to bed during State Crime Laboratory. Here Gatien get also admitted to shooting get the Mary Hogan a tavern owner missing since nineteen fifty four whose head was found in his house but he later denied memory of details of her death sixteen-year-old youth whose parents were friends again and who attended ballgames movies with them reported. That again. Kept shrunken heads in his house. Which described as relics from the Philippines sent my cousin who had served in the islands during World War. Two bond investigation by police determined to be human facial skins carefully peeled from the corpses and used by GIN as Max game was also considered a suspect in several other unsolved cases in Wisconsin including nineteen fifty-three disappearance of Evelyn Hartley Lacrosse Babysitter during questioning county. Sheriff Archie Lee rewarded assaulted gin by banging his head and face into a brick wall. As a result initial confession was ruled admissible. She died of heart failure at age. Forty three in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight four gins trial many. You knew she. Li said he was traumatized by the war against grimes. And this along with the fear of having to testify especially about assaulting gin caused his death one of his friends said he was a victim of Ed Gin as surely as if he had butchered him in nineteen twenty one nineteen fifty seven. Gin was arranged in one count of First Degree Murder County court where he pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. Gin was diagnosed schizophrenia and found mentally incompetent thus unfit for trial. He was sent to the Central State Hospital for the Kimberley Insane. Now the Dodge Correctional Institution a maximum security facility in Wisconsin and later transferred to the Mendota State Hospital and Madison Wisconsin in nineteen sixty eight doctors determined. That game was mentally able to confer with counsel and participate in his defense. Trial began. Nineteen sixty eight and November seven and it lasted one week. Psychiatrist testifying again at told him. They did not know whether the killing of Bernie's warden was intentional or accidental. Gin told him that while he examined a gun in warden store. The gun went off killing warden. Gin testified that after trying a loaded bullet into the rifle discharged. He said he had not aimed the rival warden and did not remember anything else. That happened that morning at the request of the defence against trial was held without a jury would judge Robert Gomer. Presiding game was found guilty by Gomer on November fourteenth. A second trial dealt with gain sanity other testimonies by doctors for the prosecution defence. Gomorrah again not guilty. By reason of Insanity an ordinance him committed to the Central State Hospital for the criminally insane gained spent the rest of his life in a mental hospital. Judge Goma wrote due to prohibitive cost game was tried for only one more murder that of Mrs Warden also admitted to killing Mary Hogan Adkins House at one hundred ninety. Five Acre property were appraised at four thousand seven hundred dollars to nowadays money at forty two thousand dollars. He's possessions were scheduled to be auctioned March thirtieth nine hundred fifty eight amidst rumors that the house and land is student. Might be on a tourist attraction early that morning on March twentieth. The house was destroyed by a fire. Deputy Fire Marshal reported that a rubbish fire had been set. Seventy five feet away from the house by cleaning crew tasked with disposing of trash further. The hot coals were recovered from the spot of the bonfire and from the fire from the bonfires. Location did not travel along the ground in the house are suspected of the cause of the fire was never officially determined. When gin learned of the incident while in detention he shrugged said just as well Ganz Nineteen Forty Nine Ford Sedan. Which he used to haul. The bodies of his victims was sold at public auction for seven hundred and sixty dollars in equivalent money of nowadays of six thousand seven hundred dollars to a carnival sideshow operator bunny. Gibbons Gibbons charged carnival-goers twenty five cent admission to see GIN died at the Mendota Mental Health Institute due to respiratory failure secondary to lung cancer on July twenty sixth nineteen eighty four at the age of seventy seven over the years souvenir seekers ship pieces from his gravestone at the plainfield cemetery until the stone itself was stolen in two thousand is recovered in June. Two thousand one near Seattle and was placed in storage and the county sheriff's department gravesite itself now is unmarked but not unknown. Gin is set between his parents and brother in a cemetery. I hope you enjoy this week on crucified. I hope I struck a nerve or gave you. That feeling is if you're gladys daylight or you're freaked out because as nightfall if you have a creepy store you want me to tell us a segment increased by then send me a DM on twitter story. You've heard of or experienced yourself and I'll read it aloud episodes. Now you can subscribe on Itunes. Google play pod bean or wherever else you listen to your podcast offer free now. If you feel need support my show you can do so my patriotic now. If you're waiting for my next episode drop feel free to check out my podcast host. It's called Luke News L. E. E. W. T. news for an upbeat kind is scary social podcast. But until next episode just remember to stay safe and watch out the darkness.
Ep 138: A Real Life Horror Movie
"In january two thousand sixteen twenty two year old joel kennedy moved in with his new girlfriend. Sabrina teague in hobart wisconsin really well and we were trying to get everything set up together but moving in meant moving into the basement room at sabrina. Mom's house her mom he son aka sunny wasn't happy with us because the two had only been dating for a month but joel got a job at burger king and for the next six months things seemed to be going well on june. Sixth two thousand sixteen. Sabrina dropped joel at work around noon. She then picked him up at seven thirty pm when he ended his shift and they stopped in at walmart to grab some food. Then they headed home when you when you arrive through the garage Did you notice anything unusual upon entering the residence. Yes there was a bottle of what spilled on the floor. Chill notice too few things out of plays while. Sabrina continued inside. The house was running and sabrina went to go check on her mother and found her in the bathroom. And there were all over the floor and then that is lending. You came out of laundry room. Minnesota sabrina shouted oh my god mom and opened her phone to call nine one one. She started walking back towards the living room. Joel didn't have time to go help sabrina. When someone jumped out of the laundry room only first and then came over to attack me. Joel said the man was holding a kitchen knife. The man slapped. Sabrina phone out of her hand and stabbed her. He then turned his sights on jol standing by the island and he walked up and went to stab the put. My arm up on the way wants to my arm into my chest. And then i fell back and started kicking punching. Did he do at that point when you started kicking him and punching him i believe he kind of walked away Sabrina again. what did you do. I went out into the garage door that you had entered yes. Sabrina enter attacker. Continued to fight and followed joel out into the garage. Joel grabbed his shovel and struck the man in the phase. The man fell down and joel ran inside the house. What were your over. your emotions. Like bedtime feared terrified. Joel ran down the hallway trying to find a safe room to hide in first. He tried the bathroom saw a body wrapped in a blanket and stains all the. Did you spend much time going in that bathroom looking with no specificity but you see what was not you make an assumption in your mind about who was yes. Would you believe it to be. His chill knew he wasn't safe. He continued to run down the hallway. And into sonny's room locking the door behind him. He stood with his back up against the door blocking it in case the intruder tried to break in tau. Armin call nine one one. Why was this happening. Who was the attacker. And what were they after. This is gillian. And you're listening to court junkie episode one thirty eight coloring. 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Lines cover Vow halfway up the tree line there was a fight. Those took over we saw. We may not that them gone. The brown county sheriff's deputy. Justin rasta was next to call out. He had something as he moved closer towards the front of the house. That was laying on the grass Immediately began giving commands to that female not knowing what her involvement in the situation was whatsoever i gave commands this female and received no response whatsoever. deputy miller and i then approached the female And i observed her gambling faced on the grass. I could see that. She had woolas on her back. That were indicative of what would probably would been stab wounds. The female was twenty-three-year-old sabrina teague deputy. Rascal fell what he thought was a pulse and rolled her over so she was face up. He noticed more stab wounds on her body. He checked for a pulse again but this time he couldn't find one so he began. Cpr emt's arrived and took over so the deputies resumed their search. They moved to the back of the house unnoticed. A basement window was propped open. Meanwhile nine one one dispatcher instructed jol to meet the officers at the front door. He was holding his left arm. Trying to apply pressure to it as it was bleeding heavily. What happened after you met with officers. Always couldn't do ambulance rushed to a hospital. then one force made their way inside the home. Deputy brad dern backs canine partner pal was i can search of the residents. Did you june. Helter anyone inside the residence. Yes we call her mom when she located She was located down the hallway of the first order. You're right which was a bathroom. Where the sink. The showers running when she was located Inside the bottom pow located sunny deceased in the bathtub but couldn't locate a suspect. Deputy turned back next requested pal to start a track for anyone who may have left the scene earlier. Deputy dern back had noticed a blood trail from sabrina 's body leading to behind the house pal began his search into the wooded area at some point in time. Does your dog gives you any indication working color clockwise of pride in the off right on this area campell on exhibited what we call a change behaviors as offensively level roles. He police at towards the ground and wanted to start calling him into the woods. From up that's been exhibited duberstein's training real calls our this point. He has something or a track that he wants to call. Deputy dern back called for backup as he allowed pal to continue his search further into the woods. Pal indicated again for a track and deputy during back. Now let him work off leash deeper into the brush then. They laid eyes on their suspect sir. Whole years gave you pal was on top of the suspect. When deputy dern back when to confront him the suspect was laying down in the brush curled up in a ball. Deputy dern back demanded to see his hands and asked where the knife was. The suspect responded. He didn't have a knife because he left it inside. The other deputies moved in to take him into custody when he had initially given him commands. It was show your hands Indicated that he probably saw him in the grass. So my hands. There was no compliance there. He wasn't indicating that he wasn't giving up forsling. He wasn't showing us his hands or or showing that he was there. So that was the time of non-compliance Past out then when canine pal engaged with the suspect then We were able to see that his hands weren't able to go hands on with them and no longer had our weapons. The deputies placed him in handcuffs. They noticed his jeans were ripped and covered in blood. He had a bandage on his right hand and his lip was busted open. He had long blond disheveled hair. A face mask hanging around his neck. The walked him out into a clearing online. I believe i was on his right side. Daddy miller that would have been on his less identity and we cow his for able to kinda carry him underneath his arms shoulders and carry him to that area i he was awfully but he wasn't exactly walking on his own power point and What happened when you got into that. Clearing them over for injuries. Asthma thing did rescue for head injuries. I don't remember any straightforward responses. I think there was some incoherent mumbling back that team from But there were no obvious signs of injury other than that. What's fi area. Powell engage among. They searched him but didn't find any weapons then. They asked him what his name was. Jacob care twenty six year. Old jacob care was taken to the hospital and then booked into the brown county jail. A judge set his bail for five million dollars. He was formally charged with two counts of first degree intentional. Homicide and one count of attempted first degree intentional homicide. A mental competency evaluation was ordered. Jacob's case was delayed five times due to competency issues and then in march two thousand twenty. The court cancelled in-person court hearings due to the pandemic but in august. Two thousand twenty with new protocols in place jury trials resumed. Jacobs was one of the first here today to hear the case of wisconsin versus chicken. Care what you will hear. Is that on. June seventh twenty. Sixteen jacob care turned thirteen. Sixty riverdale drive in the village of hobart into a real life horror movie sabrina. Ta and her boyfriend. Joel kennedy. They walked on the scene in that movie at eight pm that night when they entered the home through the garage door. Sabrina walk into the home. They can hear the shower running in the bathroom. Sabrina walks to the first floor bathroom where her mother's dead and badly beaten body was located. She took out her phone to call nine. One one sir walking back toward the kitchen area. Where joel was located. Mr care jumped out of the door in the laundry room and attack them with a knife. This is a real life. Movie description district attorney. David laissez told the jury that they were taking extraordinary steps to ensure their safety in the courtroom. He delivered his opening statement while seated at his table wearing a face mask. He went on to say that. Jacob attacked sabrina and joel while joel hit jacob with a snow shovel. Jacob continued to attack sabrina. Let's said the struggle ensued. When sabrina open the garage door and fought with jacob as they poured out into the driveway and into the backyard of a neighbor's property where her body was located by law enforcement officers just minutes later. Let's say called it a real life horror movie not a mystery to kill likewise clear you will hear from the medical examiner about the abundant fishes injuries. These two women suffer. There could be no other intent when you have someone ten times. Your warm could be no other intent when you batter someone so badly with a tire iron and stabbed him and have them hanging by a rope in the bathroom. What else could mr cares and have been put to kill those soon. Jacobs attorney anthony. Cotton told the jury that the opening statements are not evidence and reminded them that defendants are presumed. Innocent you've heard the expression there's two sides to every story. I would go so far as say. There's oftentimes a bigger picture of what's happening. And sometimes we have to think very carefully about what the bigger picture is when we're making the decisions that are so important in this case and i would urge you to remember that. There's always a bigger picture of play that we believe well by the end of these proceedings. The end of this week. We'll be evident to you. Folks you'll find mr care not guilty. The first witness to take the stand was also the only surviving witness to the crime. Joe kennedy joel told the jury about the extent of his injuries and explained his lengthy recovery. I had to go under for surgery. Nice sold more back together. And i had three stitches in much as we were having conversation. Here today Fuck injury of what happened to us. you call the defendant care. Did you know jake. A pair by first and last name on june seventh of two thousand sixteen. No i did not. Did you know his last name You know his first name yes has had you met him. Previously once word of occur at walmart know about about a month prior to june seven from what was the nature of that meeting Him incipient. I got into an argument about something and then we after that about a month before the attack jacob confronted sabrina while she was with joel at a walmart. Sabrina explained to joel. That jacob was her ex boyfriend joel said that he didn't immediately recognize jacob when he jumped out of the laundry room. He only realized who he was. When sabrina called out jacob's name during the attack joel said jacob didn't say anything and that he had a plain face he described him as wearing a stocking cap and jeans. So what happened after. Sabrina said oh. My god followed her phone walking your direction and he walked out of the laundry room and can to attack us when you say he talking about care. Prosecutor luis say had joel identified jacob in court by having everyone seated at the defense table as well as the members of the public in the first row behind them. Take off their masks. The judge noted thirteen. People removed their masks. Then instructed them to put them back on. Do you recall mr care tax. I you or sabrina sabrina. Where is she located. When mr kerr on the other side of the island by the chairs do you know what he used to attack. Either of you kitchen knife for you. See the knife in sample. Yes right. I believe in. Did you actually see mr hair steps. Yes joel said. Jacob was expressionless and didn't say anything while he attacked. Sabrina then went over to attack him. Jacob stabbed him in the arm and he fell back and started kicking and punching jacob then turned his sights back towards sabrina. Joel ran into the garage to grab a shovel. They were out in the garage fighting the entire time and struck him care with the shovel. Joe hit jacob in the face with a shovel. Jacob and. Sabrina fell down. And that's when i ran inside the house locked the doors and called nine one one. Believe that care came back inside and tied to get into the baffle. How do you know that. Because i've been here a multi to the door. You know you suspected it was him. Yes chill was his black. Khaki pants and burger king shirt he was also carrying a pocket knife on him that he used on the job one one dispatchers ordered him to leave it in a drawer in the bathroom before he went to open the front door prosecutor. Say ask joe about his multiple statements to police about the incident. He said he noticed a few inconsistencies but nothing substantial on cross. The defense pointed out some of those inconsistencies written statement. New side with me and sabrina entered the bathroom. We saw blood everywhere. Would you agree that you made that statement. He s and today. You've testified that. Sabrina was the one who enter the bathroom. Not you fair to say yes. So that's consistency right. Yes and then you in your written statement you stated that quote. Jake started attacking me with the knife. I fell to the floor. You remember that yes in. Today's testified that. Sabrina was the first one who is attacked by jake. Would you agree with that. Yes that's another inconsistency right and after jacob tapped in a written statement you say that. Sabrina was tat socket right. Yes okay but we're remembering it. Today is that. Sabrina was attacked first. And then you were attacked second. Yes the defense pointed out that. Sabrina 's mom sunny wasn't exactly happy when joel moved in because he didn't have a job. Initially joe countered. That sunny did like him. He said that in his six months living at the house he never saw jacob there before that night. After the attack police took his cell phone to analyze it. The defense asked about a search. Joe made on the same day of the attack the same day stabbing you had Searched the phrase famous last words. Would you agree with that the else that was the last thing. You searched right before the stabbing yes and you were asked about that by the district attorney's office in preparation for the trial. Where hugh yes and you you clinton. You told them that. It's a music video that you like. Yes call famous last words. Yes it is a musical group a video. Don't recall a relevancy. Objection by the prosecution was sustained. Chill said he had no doubt that it was jacob who committed the attacks for you aware that the supreme body was eventually found docks to the house. Are you aware of that. Yes outside of the garage right. Yes so in terms of the garage. Stores must've been open for sabrina to get out of the garage right. Yes that's all you win. That garage door came open. I do not know today is do you all when you were in the garage. Having industry shuttle you believes opener close close. Investigators determined the attacker had propped open a window to the basement room. That belonged to sabrina and joel in order to break into the home. The deputy dern back instructed his canine partner pow to follow the human scent and then engaged with the suspect a command. The defense took issue with on cross. You saw the dog bite. You saw your name right. I saw like in a. It was all brushed. So i just saw like hell but with his with his head because initially there was no screaming or yelling so then Then there were screaming yelling then we approached. And that's when i saw my dog was engaged in. You heard the screaming for that. Just for mr care just about you would agree with me. That when the dog engagements care he was laying. Curled up at your testimony. I'll lay down. Yeah curl molson say certain picturing it somewhat of a curve part of curve tight body lay. Yeah i mean he was moving around a lot. So i mean at what point at one point. He was curled up some points. You straight okay movie well because the dogs engaging a riots not running from from from law enforcement right correct. He was not running brown county. Sheriff's sergeant zachary hunchback interview jacob at the hospital at eleven twenty pm while he was under arrest. Sergeant holds back had very limited information of the incident going into the interview. Something he says worked out to be a good thing because he asked open ended questions and allow jacob to speak for himself. He noticed jacob had blood and cuts on his arms hands and phase. He said that. I take a car and smashed into somebody. I think i was kind of the first part in the ass. Was i would say or do they record me. And then he He started talking about. You know some drives some google drives and some things videos that he had reported That he wanted me to view and they kind of explain to me to access them through facebook and then through google drive that was open to the public so i was taking some notes on that. Did you ever talk to you about how the evening started on at cormier where he s whether you say about that. So he remembered an argument Or dad yelling and his mom crying. He became very upset. described it a couple times throughout the course of the interview. We talked about the anger and like a wave of health and he got on a bicycle. He was later to spy. But in a little more detail and was listening to music. In left at this point sergeant. Horseback didn't know the names of the victims. Jacob then started talking about having anger towards two other women. Later determined to be his exes. He insisted that sergeant whole spec read what was on his google drive to understand quote how the world had given him a bad hand and women have wronged him. Jacob told him that he was sick of women treating him like shit. When you think back to your interview and listened to the audio says at sonny's a real nice leading than what mr cares. They next on things turned out. It was about one twenty in the morning. By this point. Jacob needed to be brought to another facility for treatment. He went on to say that. Sabrina accused him of rape and was blackmailing his family. He said his mother was greatly upset. Which nearly destroyed him. He described a wetness that was potentially blood but also water and his shower. He also mentioned a garage and cement. When you're talking to mr care specifically during this audio clip that we heard. Do you ever tell him mr care You had information that he stabbed somebody in the torso or an actor. No and i didn't even know that couldn't do this. I wanna do so. This is information. Mr cares giving you at this. He said there's a lot of blood. yes he said that. Yes and during this time of the You mentioned earlier. That mr care said that he was angry because of a rape allegation by supreme. Not right track. When he's talking about what he did to sabrina. Not does he say anything else about rape allegation. Yes specifically talked about how she brought it up at being. Sabrina brought it up at perkins in walmart should told other people. He also was very upset. About how it affected his mother jacob's mother did he say anything else about the re-validation relating to his anger and he said that it would make anyone mad and that just described like her allegation was worse than anything. He did a little later in the interview around four. A m jacobs said. Sabrina was trying to defend herself from his knife and ran away. He said her body could be found on the grass. He also said there was a person in the bathroom and that he washed his feet in a sink. Yes he distracted as a hacking motion. So he was distinguishing that attack in the bathroom as not a stabbing but more of a hacking motion with more of a blunt like object which he would describe as a hammer but not a hammer so like a hammer but not a ham blunt object as opposed to stabbing any call that hattie motion jacobs said he grabbed a red blanket and threw it in the hallway to cover up the blood. He also talked about remembering seeing a third person in a work shirt with an emblem on it. Like from burger king or subway at one point. Jacob asked. If sabrina was going to be okay sergent horseback asked him if he thinks she would be alive or dead. Jacob responded by saying the doctors better act swift. Jacob drew a diagram of the scene to describe what happened and reenacted what he believed. He did to sabrina on another sergeant in the hospital room. The interview concluded at around nine. Am about ten hours later on crust. The defense asked sergeant horseback if he believed jacob was mentally competent to be interviewed at the time. Sergeant specs said he was aware he had been administered ketamine but couldn't speak to its possible effects. The defense asked if jacob expressed confusion about what happened sergeant. Whole spac replied yes. He expressed confusion certain. Serginho spec said he remembers. Jacob bringing up a car crash more than once to clarify. He was not in one that night. The defense asked sergeant whole back if he told his staff about jacob's request a look at his manifesto that he had put in folders on the internet. Sergeant horseback said he did pass along the information but doesn't know who looked at it if anyone would. You agree with me. That in fact either what mr karas doing throughout this interview with you is he's describing what he what he saw. Somebody else do at the murder scene. Would you agree with that. Snow would not have your on what he's describing actually as him witnessing when he showing a hand and the hacking stabbing what he's doing showing explain you what another person did not have. You agree with that. There's no possible way. Anyone that reviews would have arrive at that conclusion. That's not the conclusion you you arrived at. No he was talking about his own personal actions next. The defense asked about jacob bringing up the other women and saying he hoped he didn't go over to one of their families houses. He said he didn't wanna hurt anyone else. Jacob then started talking about quote a picture of my soul from back then to now serginho spec wrote about the bizarre things. Jacob said to him in his report he says care keeps the key and keeps it in the cage. Did you expand on that with him. All you talked about it. I do remember that i remember those quite quite quite tricky. I remember listening to him in money. Time talking about that shirt and mr care talks about the key falling on the ground after wendy if they were trying to have a kid. That didn't happen right around talking about wendy. In i remember the cage and the key in the seoul okay anger and escaping. I remember some most insurance that you have a code in here. That size care has called. I'm not skipped soul. Yes so when you put. Nuts gets on quotes. Those are the exact words mr do. Did you always have to that. I guess the question is how did that come out. Did you tell him. He must have schizophrenia. For example i was not so that no not at all I think i mean it's hard. Yes can he's thinking what i'm thinking. I yourself provoked the statement. Did you ask him something to get him to say. I'm not skeptical. Nor i think it was more. So like him assuring me that he's not a bad person you would want to hurt someone Me not to judge him. I mean that would be the context of that. Like i'm not. I'm not schizophrenia. On okay how describe. And then mr kerr starts talking about the letter z again. And how that is the tribe that runs the planet right. I don't remember that but if it's a my report it's certainly what he would have said then zeev enough. I don't remember it being tried and around the planet and then he comes back to the manifesto your words again or files. He wants to watch it. Walks and everything right. I recall him wanting me to look at those items. Yes they would explain everything. Searching spek said he never told jacob victims were dead. He informed him. 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It's terrifying true story about a family. Torn apart by the system that was supposed to protect them. Investigative reporter mike hicks baugh chronicles. What happens to the bright family but there are three kids are ripped away from them and the shocking moments that come next with exclusive audio captured as the events unfolded. Do no harm takes you inside. The most harrowing moments of the brights family fight to protect their children. Like court junkie because of the trial clips or the interrogation audio. Then you will love. Do no harm because you get an up close behind the scenes. Look into what really happened. Subscribe to do no harm on apple podcasts. Spotify or listen ad free by joining wondering plus in the wonder e app. Investigators described the scene as gruesome with blood everywhere. A real life horror movie. The wisconsin state crime laboratory was called in to assist collecting evidence. Crime scene leaders from both milwaukee and madison responded more than seventeen hundred pictures were taken samples of suspected. Blood were collected from inside the home and garage. A dna swab from jacob's left palm was a mixture between jacob and sabrina sunny and jole were excluded as contributors a dna swab from jacobs. Bottom right foot was a mixture of sunny and sabrina. Jacob and joel were excluded. Dna analyst and berlin that jacob could have been excluded from a sample taken on himself because there may have been too much dna or his feet were very dirty. Linda also examined. The knife believed to be the murder weapon. She analyzed three different swabs from it and found one source of dna. Sabrina 's investigators also took samples from a tire. Iron found wrapped in duct tape. Sunny was found to be. The major contributor. And jacob was a minor contributor joel and sabrina 's dna was found on the plastic. Handle of the shovel joel said he had jacob with jacobs. Dna however was not found on it on cross examination. The defense asked lindh about testing the dna samples against the four people believed to be involved in the case. She said the samples were also tested against an internal database to make sure there was no cross contamination but that they weren't entered into the federal database medical examiner. Dr vincent trench shida performed autopsies. On both of the victims he ruled both of their deaths. Homicides sabrina had suffered stab wounds her body on her head. A stab wound to her cheek injured her tongue. In addition she was stabbed in the base of her neck and on the left side of her clavicle. She had blunt force trauma to her abdomen. Back and arms and one of the stab wounds damaged a kidney and another hit her liver doctor. Trench shida ruled her cause of death as stab wounds to her torso he said. Sonny suffered multiple types of injuries including dozens of bruises scratches stabbing and strangulation sunny. T had injuries consistent with compression of the neck both ligature hands and using accord said dr trench cheetah. A rope was recovered. From sonny's knack. He said she suffered severe blunt force trauma to her head that fractured her skull. Dr trench shida examined a tire iron found at the crime scene and said he believes it was consistent with the type of object that caused the injuries. In addition he described five incised wounds one of which cut off the top of her ear. Dr trend cheetah death as homicide of violence noting. The injuries she suffered led to her quote drowning in her own blood homicidal violence including stab wounds of the torso blunt force trauma and compression of the neck. He told the court. The defense declined to cross. Examine the medical examiner Have you discussed your decision whether or not to testify with your lawyer made a decision. What is that decision. Jacob care announced he would testify. He would be the only witness for the defense. He removed his mask. Placed face shield on his face and his attorney asked him how he was feeling policy. The truth to come out all really tired because about colder system s physically mentally spiritually tired for years and i think that's not afraid to face it does look as demilitarize spend the circumstances home nervous you other than that. It's to be up there. Still blocking jacobs said he had been previously convicted of for crimes. He said he has a good relationship with his mom. Called her an angel on the planet and said that he would go to the end of the earth for her but as for his father. He said he's former military and cease things as black and white. Cops don't lie. The justice system is not corrupt. Then he moved onto the murderers. He said he remembers having dinner with his family the night before and getting into a fight with his father he said he grabbed his backpack and left on his bike. He was asked to describe some of the items in that backpack items. He said he had to protect himself including candles and zip ties. Some of those things I guess also zip zip ties. I could look. Y'all know at a warrant goethe's faust naval warrant individuals better threatening meanders evidence of that my phone for months So if these people are coming out you will you do django. Anyone will fire of their roman candles are used while it's chaos detain them leave not not surrendering when the people who molly or attacking me my life before this. According to jacob. He dated sabrina for about two and a half years during high school. He said they met at a youth group and broke up in the winter of two thousand eight. He said sonny was cool and he had asked her to teach him to make egg rolls. He denied knowing joel kennedy as he was riding his bike that evening he said he grew more and more frustrated with his ex girlfriend and her current boyfriend. What he said he remembers next is disjointed to say the least are not gonna my up. I don't have any religion that up until his power where i am in a vehicle laying down and there's someone despite looking relics never even holding me down the stairs wherever you go rain or snare drum sound. I got nothing for your own that then after that there is i'm i'm struggling with somebody. In the kitchen of the two is not to there is i have small reserve. I'm told Description was atom over down shoulder down. There's another person here to my right. Which would be by. The kitchen meets the bathroom. Two pairs of feet along with one foot so another one hundred seventy visual and then then. The next one is visual. I'm looking out cement driveway. The car spring is fairly jr. Jacobs said the next thing he remembers after that is waking up in the hospital covered in blood. He said he was confused. Scared and in handcuffs issues. The full timers do once after coming to sumptious They have been a fight with serena for a reason. There's no reason. I'm super still trying to figure it out. Says no reason for that is. Why would you tell someone that. You're basically almost very the super runny. You need money for your car. You need money for car. You need your life bags. What the hell's so i. I meant like sir conversation. They were wrong note. There was no plans of over there. And i'll talk about this. There's no the wildfires through the process of elimination. jacob said. He tried to figure out why he was there. He claimed he was trying to help the cops because he was not the do they were looking for. He said there are about twenty seven hours missing from his memory during the interview. Did you ever confess to killing spree. Has an they start seeing percents. Basically the small visuals of was on getting the hundreds of that. These people are dead. I like. I saw sabrina ashes annoying crop. She doesn't started i. What was did you ever confessed to killing sunny profession was. Did you ever confess. The steady checkup said he was physically inoperable and unable to commit a crime uncrossed. Prosecutors asked him why he had so many suspicious items in that backpack that were later found at the crime scene. Well we there's some zip ties in the bathroom allows there. You remember dropping. Those in the bathroom editor of looks goes out the door told you know it seems like jake. Sometimes you remember something and sometimes you don't really completely false was one views. What's been a what's in the statements. What's been the case. once people see exactly courtrooms overtime. I talk you'd never see your false on that exact words your said okay. What else do we have here us. That'd be stupid for me to lie. A camera idea is going national. He continued to deny remembering any details of the attack. Like making a hacking motion in the bathroom during the interview to police. Sunny is a real nice lady. Anson fortunate the way turn things support the way things turned out of cover up the rate then when they were talking about that they never told you. That sonny was dead yet today. S move signs of Since turn out not about the careless bill hallway that is not about you killing her and she can telling her that. Why why would you say. Firstly how things turned out about this. Because i to the whole on. Moved off from sabrina and things like that. I don't know why you say that right there about sunny shoes. Unfortunately the way things turned out the resources Looking food. she's a good person. I'm friends with the majority access bag. Dennis was cool. Was co has the how unfortunate that eleanor friends. Okay whatever is true. He will not friends with my ex wife and two other ones become a finnish. Rents which never made russia asked me to move in. Didn't have to worry about because she rock protector of people gas. She's by the witnesses crude injuries to sonny. Let's be here. The injuries or testified to about sonny that she received fucking her oldest prosecutors asked jacob if he didn't commit these murders. Then who did you never say once the please that there's anybody else except sabrina and someone in the bathroom. He thinks a female and a guy with a burger king shirt. So i was that along time. Like i have a very Distinct memory of such struggling with someone stronger than me. Sabrina drama the meaning was he saw. And so all. So we cover the suburbs ways to gestation showed. This guy was somewhere else. Because i'd never feeling of being fucking held out right. I won't why didn't you tell the police said knows nine and a half hour. I do fuck accident. The memory trying to help them get to get to the people here to scientifically toe to you so definitely the decimation classified drunk right after hours you just so tired. They advising is not keeping up. Okay let's have that we also have life travel a lot of ship shit and fulfills by themselves. Ten thousand vogel news scientific offensive global onto it was fight or flight. He said the defense rested and no rebuttal case was put forth by the prosecution and so the court proceeded to closing arguments prosecutor. Johnson reminded the jury of the horror movie juxtaposition prosecutor. Let's say had told them about in his opening statements. Johnson said the difference between a horror movie. And this case is that when the movie is over you can turn on the lights and leave. What happened to sabrina. He he son. Sunny definite joe kennedy was real big no mistake it was whole real horror. What happened it involves still killing of two people to human beings. Attempted killing of another human being. It was still just like a horror movie. Brutal graphic involved weapons involved. It's tire iron a knife a lot of blood. Dna and a confession. He explained the elements of first degree. Intentional homicide that. Jacob care killed sabrina and sunny and that he acted with intent to kill them. He also said that jacob intended to kill joel kennedy and was charged with attempted first degree intentional homicide as well. I don't know exactly what the defense is going to argue. But i typically that. There's not going to be a lot of argument. It's somebody killed intentionally. He son and serena tape again. I think it would be absurd if there's an argument that somebody didn't intend to kill them and that's based just just even looking at the injuries involve number one okay. I think the argument. I get i think is going to be mr care. Isn't the one that did this ryan suspend. You might hear that. Somebody intended to kill them. Based on these injuries. No doubt at all jacobs attorney anthony. Cotton argued there's a huge lack of intent on jacobs part. I think that there is a lack of intent in this case. The was mr care who did this crime. Why is the huge knife in his backpack. Still in the backpack. Why wasn't bad knife used immediately. It was a very long night. Mr testified to that doesn't make sense that if he's intending golden. This house in slaughter people wouldn't have used that night. The gloves were used. Mr care committed. This crime certainly doesn't appear to be any lack of preparation or planning at all not to have any gloves on. Saw in his backpack there were in fact. Laws state made a point of it when he was on the stand today but he wasn't wearing that. Mr kerr testified We'll get into that in a little bit. But he did take the stand and give his version of events All of you saw the bodycam video of him. Lane in the woods or laying in the tall grass next to the house Certainly didn't look like somebody who was actively running from the scene Or trying to resist law enforcement actively or fight with law enforcement. Those are all things that we do think guilty people would do. They'd be running away some significant testaments yet. He's laying there pass start. In the tall grass appearing to be in some sort of almost catatonic condition Or or some sort of some sort of condition. But he's certainly doesn't seem to be a condition to have to be committing murder. Cotton said jacob wasn't making sense during his arrest and was in a state of confusion. He said that's consistent with his testimony that there's no reason for him to want to kill sonny or sabrina. The jury was said to deliberate for social distancing purposes. They went to another courtroom instead of the jury room. After less than an hour they reached a verdict state of wisconsin versus jacob. Care we the jury find the defendant jacob. He care guilty of first degree intentional homicide of sabrina. Ot gets charged in count one of the information the jury returned guilty verdicts for the murders of sunny and sabrina. They also found him guilty of burglary bail jumping and of attempting to murder. Joe kennedy but the jury's work wasn't over they now had another question to answer. Was jacob care criminally responsible for the murders or did he suffer from a mental disease or defect of the crimes. When the court came back to reconvene the defendant was missing judge tammy jo hawk ordered the jail to make jacob available via video conferencing mr kerr people in her jaw. Okay well he just. In addition to his kind words teaches flipped off as so you do not want to participate by zoom either. Is that correct. Mr care how soon dr ken robbins. A board certified psychiatrist testified on behalf of the defense. Dr robin said that he reviewed evaluations medical history. Police reports and videos from the night of jacob's arrest and conducted an interview with him earlier. This year he said. Jacob doesn't believe that he's mentally ill and wished to be found innocent. He said he showed disorganized thinking and delusional thoughts. Dr robbins said it was almost impossible to fake a thought disorder for four years. He maintained that. No evidence suggested jacob was faking and that jacob symptoms appeared to be genuine dr robbins concluded that jacob is not guilty due to mental illness or defect. The time of the crime he said jacob was so impaired that he couldn't conform his conduct to the requirements of the law and couldn't distinguish between right from wrong. The state had initially hired dr robbins but then released him after he had reached his conclusions. The defense called the state disingenuous district. Attorney david laissez told the jury that jacob knew what he was doing. These are not the actions of a person who doesn't understand that what they've done is wrong and can't conform their conduct to the law. He can when it suits him. He can when he's not angry. And that's what you're asked to consider your today. Not whether he's mentally ill. Those two are are also important. It's not just mental illness. Have to know that those other things are president and frankly dr robinson has done little or nothing to explain that to us. i just want to reiterate the twelve. You make this decision that is what the law dictates. This not productive robbins to decide is for the twelve of you to decide whether mr escapes the consequences of his actions based on his mental illness. Jacobs attorney told the jury that jacob is not escaping the consequences if they find him not guilty by reason of insanity but rather it determines where he will be sentenced to a mental health facility or prison. The jury was sent out for a second time to deliberate this time. They returned in about three hours at the time. The crimes were committed. Jacob p care have a mental disease or defect answer. Yes question number. Two as a result of the mental disease or defect did jacob p care lacks substantial capacity either to appreciate the wrongfulness of his conduct or to conform his conduct to the requirements of the law. Answer yes according to judge hawk. Jacob was found guilty but not responsible. She ordered him committed to a life term in the custody of the state department of health services criminal. Defense attorney julie. Rental men explained what this sentence means on the law and crime network. And it's an interesting. I saw a lot of twitter. Reactions and people were very upset about the outcome. And i think a lot of people were concerned that he's going to be freed and one of the things. I've indicated people as many times when an individual is found not responsible due to an nci which is in this case they end up in a mental institution in this case he will be in a mental health institution and potentially he will be in that institution longer than he could have been if he was simply guilty. And that's the irony of it. All is that at the end of the day. He will likely not freedom whether he was found not responsible or not responsible by reason of insanity. Judge hawk ordered that jacob beat in eligible to apply for conditional release because he could pose a potential risk to others meaning he will be state run facility under twenty four seven supervision for the rest of his life. And that's all for this episode as always. I'd love to know what you think about this case. Do you agree with the verdict. Do you agree with jacob's life sentence at a mental health facility. Let me know by joining the conversation on instagram. at court. Junkie by tweeting me at court junkie pod or by emailing me at podcast at court. Junkie dot com. This episode was researched and written by jennifer tint nerve from the law and crime trial network follow jennifer on twitter at jennifer tinder. If you'd like to hear these episodes without the ads and get access to additional court junkie bonus episodes go to court chunky dot com slash support. And don't forget to check out my youtube channel. Youtube dot com slash junkie. Thanks again for listening until next time. If you're a business owner you don't need me to tell you that. Running a business is tough. But you might be making it harder on yourself. The necessary don't let quickbooks and spreadsheets. Slow you down anymore. It's time to upgrade to net speed. Stop paying for multiple systems. That don't give you the information you need when you need it ditch the spreadsheets and all the old software you've outgrown. 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Ep 116: The Murder of Nicole VanderHeyden
"It was a packed house at the watering hole bar in Green Bay Wisconsin on May Twentieth Two Thousand Sixteen. Doug D. Tree and his girlfriend. Nicole van der Heyden decided to join their friends to watch the Band Steel Panther. Perform. Everybody's having fun. were you drinking that night? Is there was was injured in. The couple got split up after the band ended. Nikki decided to go with Doug's group of friends to the next bar while she waited for him to catch up to them. They arrived at the Sardine can bar around ten PM. To she was, she was drunk. feeling good. Kind of happy in. Not that's about it. Doug still hadn't arrived by the time. The group wanted to leave around twelve twenty am. One of the friends called an Uber ride home. Doug Wasn't picking up Nicky's phone calls, but he finally answered when another friend Angelo called him. Angela hung up with Doug and called him a loser. Nikki baffled that he had picked the call for Angela and not her started walking down the street. Aaron Kamensky went to go talk to her. When Nikki saw that he was following, she took off running. I will I got in front of her to try to. Console her a little bit, and she just became combative and. Push me away and then. Just I continued a little longer, but then she kind of did like deadweight thing, and fell to the ground, was continuing to cry and kind of hit me and my legs and stuff she was striking at you. She was striking on me screaming at the top of her lungs. Erin told Nikki. He just wanted to help her get home to her six month. Old Baby boy, Dylan whom she had had with Doug. The two have been dating for about a month. When Nikki found out, she was pregnant, they were living together and raising dylan as a couple. By this time the Uber had arrived. Aaron and the other girls got into it. But Nikki continued walking crossing the street and turning down another. Meanwhile Doug's friend. Greg drove him around to look for her, but they couldn't find her. They continue to call text and snapchat her, but Nikki didn't answer her. Doug returned home around two forty a M. Drunk and tired. I had all quite a bit to drink that night and I was just kind of exhausted of. Not, being able to get a hold of McKee, count frustrated and Tired you know. Nikki didn't come home the next morning and none of her friends or family had heard from her. In the afternoon when she still hadn't returned. Doug called nine one one to file a missing persons report. Earlier in the day a farmer out with his grandsons made a gruesome discovery in a wooded fields when new in between there, there was a wooden fence fullest land in a field that. I got off and picked it up. Just fruit over the hill. And then, as kind of look at in, La said. The boys were further away from me. That geared on there, and they were looking at a different financial Labor at NC. Perfect, they said No. That's a buddy, another golden outer. who was the last person to see Nikki that night? 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We had the news on, and then I think it was a nine or ten o'clock news and also. A. Body was found in Bellevue. Buhler or something like that and knows it was. It was everybody's emotions were. Concerned that brass very concerned at that point was. I didn't know what thank you. I was trying to stay positive, but. It's on my God. That could be hurt and. The officers returned to Doug's house around midnight and asked if he could give more information on the missing persons report. Doug agreed and wrote in the police car back to the station. Yeah after the as some. Characteristics of Nikki and everything and they said. That there was Some similarities or something a lot of similarities but they. Confirm that it was Niki that the by that they had found and. I don't know it was something on that order and idle idle. Mind at that point, and that is our that make you feel when you heard that? Devastated shocked. I was just. Like through my remind, those so puzzled and shocked and. Hurt Tad I mean his whirlwind of emotions. Doug gave the officers, his pants and shoes. He was wearing. He had been wearing them the night before at the concert to. He said he would go talk to every person on the street. Who may have seen her? The officers pressed Doug asking him if he was involved Doug, said No. The next day. A detective asked him for a sample of his DNA. He said no, and told them they would have to get a warrant. Lead investigator Sergeant Brian Slinger did just that and continued to search for more evidence. Time information that it was a blunt force trauma surgeon lot known I had been in communications us on Dome with the crime lab and had yet witnessed the body so we were looking for any sort of items that may have caused that damage on Blake stated related. There's a lot of rocks, a lot of things like that in the field that could potentially have been used, so we were looking through those rocks to see if there may have been any blood or any other sorts of evidence that any of those rocks. On the morning of May Twenty first the day after Nikki's disappearance, one of Doug's neighbors was out mowing the lawn. Would he noticed a piece of cord had gotten stuck in his lawnmower. Matthew Peterson picked up. The cord looked at it and put it aside. That's when he noticed. There was a large pool of blood on his curb. At the time, he thought Oh. Dear or some other large animal may have been killed. But two days later on May twenty third. When his wife told him about Nikki's murder, he contacted the police. Detective slinger obtained search warrants for Doug and Nikki's house vehicles, and for different facebook G, mail and snapchat accounts. Nikki had a herring bone zigzag pattern on her back believed to be consistent with the bottom of Air Jordan shoes. And they found shoes in Doug in Nikki's garage that they thought could have been a match with suspected blood on them. They also found other areas of suspected blood as well. Up until that night or I'm sorry up until Monday night the twenty third. We really weren't sure where the where Nicole was killed. Obviously, we knew where the body was located Monday night. We had this crime scene. close proximity to their residents At the time we had known about this herringbone pattern that was on her back and knew that these shoes were found in the garage, which had about five or six red stains at the bottom that appeared to be possibly could have been blood. We also had some blood in the garage that was located near Miss Band. Were or Haydn's vehicle was that was presumptively tested for blood, and then looking at the photographs of MS, Vana, Haydn's vehicle it appeared that there was a lot of smudges there. A lot of stains that may have been consistent with blood so at that time we thought that that vehicle is potentially used to transport her body. An off duty officer reported finding clothing along a highway ramp about two miles from where Nikki's body was located. They also found her bra purse and cell phone. Doug D. Tree was arrested and taken into custody. He was booked into the Brown County jail and held on a one million dollar bond. More than two hundred pieces of evidence were sent into the states crime lab eighteen days later, the results were in. The blood in the garage wasn't human. The blood in the bathroom was from Nikki sister getting a nose bleed. This stains on the shoes were actually blood at all. The blood in the car wasn't Nikki's and vehicle information that the car hadn't moved that night at all. So. All these pieces of evidence that we thought we had You know turned out to be. An turncoat have answers for them. And I'll also add that. During that time, we were also I was in contact with Kevin Scott, and he was advising me of this consistent, unknown male, why profile that was coming up on the items that were sent into to the lab That was not consistent with Mr Teachers. Doug also said he had an alibi in an undercover video taken by officers at his home when he initially filed the missing person's report. Doug can be seen wearing a fitbit. He claimed he never took it off except to charge it for an hour or so. Data from the fit bit revealed that Doug's movements were consistent with his statements to police. So after eighteen days in jail, Doug was released. Detective slinger was essentially no back at square one. He knew he had one large unanswered question. How did Nicky get home that night? On the night of May, twentieth. Nicky sent a text message to Doug saying good thing I found someone. Detective slinger went back to video. Surveillance from the sardine can to try to identify who that person was. That man was identified and agreed to give a DNA sample. He was eliminated as the unknown male profile found on Nikki's body. The more potential persons of interest were identified. Nikki's ex husband son, and the other men who had been with her at the bars were all eliminated. Detective slinger wasn't having any luck either with canvassing for surveillance video. That may have caught Nikki getting into a car in the area. About three months after Nikki stuff, there was finally a break in the case. Yes so August. Nineteen, two thousand sixteen cannons guy called me and told me that one of the recent items that we had sent into the lab for analysis a sack that was taken off of annuities body. able to extract a DNA sample from that stock that he then entered into a DNA database so to speak, and he was able to get a DNA match. And who the individual that Mr Scott advise that actress for. He advised me that was for George Stephen Birch. George Stephen. Birch was a thirty eight year old man from Virginia, it appeared. He had no known connection to Nikki or Doug, but his search in a national database found that his DNA was a matched to DNA found on a sock that was taken off Nikki's body. Court records reveals that George Birch had been convicted five times in the past. And he was involved in a report of a vehicle fire in the city of Green Bay on June, eighth, two, thousand, sixteen, just a few weeks after Nikki stuff. According to a police report, a responding Green Bay officer believed that a Red Chevy Blazer which belonged to a couple that George had been living with had been involved in a hit and run accident the night before. The Blazer had now been destroyed in a fire and according to the owners, George had been the last one to drive it. George said he wasn't involved in the hidden run that he must have left the keys in the car and it had been stolen. said he had been texting his friend Bar and agreed to give his phone to officers to corroborate his. Alibi The hit and run. Case was then closed because it was impossible to tell if George had been driving the blazer. The caused the vehicle fire was unknown, but possibly could have been from damage due to the accident. Detective slinger began to surveilled George worrying that he may flee if he learned he was a suspect in Nikki's murder. 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The defense said they have a different version of events. That Nikki's death was not a random act of violence. Rather the defense promised that they would be able to identify Nikki's true killer. Results. Well show at. The. Very that the case. Including on. This show. These various locations. This is my. Special consonant. Tribal. Really explanation. That is all of this is. The state called a series of witnesses to put together a timeline of Nikki's last known whereabouts Greg. Matthew has been friends with Doug for more than twenty years. He said he met Nikki in two thousand fifteen, not long after Doug Nikki started dating, he said Steel Panther is one of his favourite bands, and it was his idea to go to the concert that night. He explained to the jury how he doug got split up from the rest of their friends. As you watch Doug and Nikki Iraq. Did. You draw any conclusions about how they're getting along. Thought everybody having a great time. At some point in time, did you and doug run into someone? Some women that you knew from your earlier clears Chitty. Chitty Jones was a good friend of mine her. I hadn't seen her. Since she got married, she got married to Paul Hannah is the lead singer van ex. I didn't see her since that time and I, she's a close friend of mine that also known for twenty years, and we saw her at one point and talk to her for some period of time at the end of the concert. With. Her husband, you know he was there, but we get all. We want to meet him and congratulate him and you know. He never ended up coming up to where we were. So I mean it was clearing out at that time, so we're a lot of people. The bathroom lines got incredibly long, I was in the line I got into the bathroom, and when I came out, I saw that Doug was a ways back in the line, and I told them that I would give them a ride. At that time I didn't see our friends there. Meanwhile back at the Sardine. Can the Group of friends for ready to go home? Aaron was trying unsuccessfully to get Nikki to go with them. Just Yell we could get you home faster to. Your child and what you're doing and. All your babe in the woods. To she turn around and respond to that though she didn't. She answered her you in any way. What did you do then? I could hear the girls yelling. The are ride is here. So I'm looking in the girls and A RETREAT BACK? Did you. The last time you saw her, then where was she? She was walking down maple. Greg and Doug headed over to the Sardine can around twelve twenty, having just missed their friends and Niki. Greg had received adderall from a friend earlier that night. He and Doug took it in the parking lot when they left the bar. Hoping it would help stop the effects of the alcohol. Greg drove, and Doug left his car at the watering hole. Dug was on the phone with Nickie and Greg could tell she was upset. Greg asked to speak to Nikki himself and told her he would pick her up wherever she was. She made a comment that she didn't believe it was me that it was doug playing a trick on her, which has had MSCI. You know it's me. A pick up wherever you are. And at that point her phone. Her phone shut off. I. Don't believe she hung up on me I believe the battery died. It wasn't like she was Oh. Angry and hung up. Should I think her battery died? Doug continue to try to call her back with no success. They continued to drive around looking for Nikki. UNCROSSED Greg said Doug could be perceived as a drunk asshole at times when he drank. Do you doug work. Works for his parents. She construction. Do you know where he was working in May of two thousand sixteen? I would imagine teach construction. So you didn't know at Time Doug was not working because he was having issues with Nike. No I was not aware of that. You weren't aware that. The series issues led him to quit working because the relationship was A. said it wasn't. Awareness is definitely assuming facts, not an evidence. He. Objection was sustained. Greg said he wasn't aware of any relationship issues between Doug and Nikki, then he said they continue to search for Nikki to see if she was walking home. They arrived at Doug's house arrest to forty five am. The. Babysitter Dallas Kennedy was asleep on the couch. She woke up when she heard Doug and Greg come home. Dallas said she was friends with Nikki from previously working at a restaurant together and had agreed to watch dylan to give Nikki and doug a night out. She said when the two men got home, she talked to them for about twenty minutes. Doug immediately asked if I had heard from Nikki. I was confused as because I would hear other footsteps, I said isn't with you. And he said No. That's my friend. Greg and then he trailed in shortly after and I was just scared. Because again, I've never conversation with Doug. And I've never met Greg so being in their homes and just her not being around. I went to grab my clothes immediately. By the kitchen table. and. Greg repeatedly pace back and forth in the hallway. And then went to the fridge. Grab something to eat. Doug kind of chimed in with your hungry. And he grabbed a Gobert at the time and Asia. Dallas said they seemed very concerned. Greg laughed in Dallas, help Doug brainstorm over where Nikki could be. She said she called Nikki several times while she was at the House. And Doug Astor to call Nikki again while she was driving home and then again the next morning. This state called Doug Detroit to the stand. He talked about meeting, Nikki and the to hitting it off instantly. He said she was a very good mother to dylan and to her two other children from her first marriage. The two lived with them during the week and would stay with their father on the weekends. He said they had plans to get married. Once Dylan was older and raised their family together. On May twentieth will at the Sardine can. received a flurry of angry text messages from Nikki about twenty minutes after they were separated. Around Midnight Nikki Texted Doug. Quote, so what bitchy she with. She continued with her flurry of angry texts. Fuck you abusive whole. Wow. What slut are you with? Because none of your friends, no! I am not surprised. How many times have your dick been off for some whore? This was kind of puzzled I didn't know what she was thinking. I didn't know what was going on. Doug texted her ella well. Are you kidding what's going on here? Nikki, replied sure you still of whores. Doug responded Yup. I learned wads. He then wrote ll stop it Nikki. I'll be there soon. Nikki road. You hurt me all the time. Doug then wrote Nikki call me. Why did you not responding of older upset way? I wasn't upset. I think she is kind of A. She was upset for unknown reason and it wasn't. There wasn't really a reason for. Duck said he kept trying to call her, but her phone went straight to voicemail. He said that he wasn't particularly concerned at first because she was an adult and could take care of herself. But. He grew worried when she hadn't come home from the bar later that night. Doug said he woke up at six thirty in the morning to feed dillon. He took a Selfie with Dylan Incentive to nicky using snapchat hoping he could tell if she opened the photo. She never did. He and Dylan fell asleep again. He woke up around. Eleven am Fed Dylan again and made himself some MAC and cheese. He started contacting friends and family and filed the missing person's report later that day. Records from Doug's Fitbit data showed. His movements work consistent with this. Two days later, he was taken into custody. Doug described what was going through his head when he was arrested. I. Don't know I was like why. Hello, my in this position. You know what's going on I didn't. I didn't get it. This is is. I said to him that this is wrong I. I was told not to advise not to say say anything I wanted to say. So many things you know. Nothing to do with this guy's making a big mistake here and. They perform you that you are under arrest and that was for. WHAT THEY BELIEVE! It was murder of manner yes. When was the last time that you personally saw Nikki alive is? I think it was right after the show I don't even really recall. It was right when we were going to the bathroom and says I was going to the bathroom and two little. One of the bathroom see you within ten minutes. Whatever you know and. Last time czar. UNCROSSED. Doug said there were times when he would get upset with Nikki and thought about breaking up with her. Then when asked. Doug said he had never cheated on Nikki, so then why was she sending him text messages accusing him of doing so? Dark the text messages didn't just talk about. Infidelity. They also talked about abuse. For instance. The one that was already read to you fuck you abusive astle. That would be number four. And then number thirty. Nicky sent to you. She, said you hurt me all that all the time? Did you hurt Nikki, that night. Physically or what I Know I mean. Did. You physically beat her in the past. Know I never physically be Nikki. She just have no idea why she would say these things. Exactly I have no idea where that was coming from. That's wild soul puzzling to me I just. Think was telling Gregor whatever really. Sneaky talking about here. Doug said he has a concealed carry permit an owns a shotgun and a rifle. He also said Nikki had walked off in the past. They had watched a packers game at a bar once when Nikki walked out upset without her coat on. He said he waited to call police until four thirty PM on May twenty first because he was hoping that she would have slept off whatever made her angry and would come back home. and that's seventeen hours since you last saw her. But yeah, I think so, and that's also. Her body was already found. at that time. Afterwards I did that would be after, and that's after police. Build up often. yeah, I was unaware that police build up until well after the fact. And, then you made sure that before police arrived, you took a shower. Yeah! I mean I I was feeling. Grubby. Know. You wanted to wake up and you wanted to hide any proof that you are involved in her murder, so you took a shower before the police can. Doug said he didn't know he was a suspect in Nikki's murder until he was being arrested. According to an autopsy by the county, medical examiner, Nikki's death was a homicide caused by ligature strangulation and blunt force trauma. Shepherd two hundred and forty one. Including significant facial injuries, a fractured jaw, an injuries of the Genitalia suggestive of sexual assaults. They were listed as substantial repeated injuries. Dr ESCA rebel Ska listed to causes of death, and here's why quote, there are injuries inside and on the neck muscles that we haven't discussed. That are consistent with her being alive at the time of the ligature, being placed around her neck, so I know she was alive when that happened, but I also know she was alive at the time that the head injury occurred so I can't say which one of those happened first, and which one was the final one. Therefore, that's why they're both listed. Each of them is fatal in this environment. Dr Rogalski determined that the cord found on Doug's neighbor's lawn is consistent with the ligature marks on Nicky's neck. The Wisconsin State Crime Laboratory confirmed. Nikki's DNA was on the cord, and the blood found in the road was indeed hers. Two men jogging on the road and the morning of May twenty. I would later tell police. They noticed the pool of blood around five forty five. Nikki's body was swabbed for DNA in. Investigators believed the killer would have touched in order to drag her body into the field. An unknown males DNA was found on key parts of her body, including her chest arms hands under her fingernails and Vagina. This same profile was also found on the cord. They were able to find a sample large enough to submit to the national database on Nikki sock. The hit was a match for George Stephen Burge. In fact Georgia's DNA was found on a total of sixteen different places on Nikki's body. Detective slinger obtained a search warrant for Georgia's Google account information associated with his Samsung cell phone. A forensic download of his Google Dashboard revealed that he started his night on May Twentieth at Richard Cranium. Spar a short distance from the Sardine can. He stayed there until two thirty a. m when he went home from to thirty two am until two thirty eight am. He then drove down Broadway on the west side of green. Bay crossed the bridge and arrived at Nikki's house at three o one am. His cellphone remained in front of the home until three fifty three a. m.. From three fifty, eight through four, two am Georgia's cellphone. Ping's off at the fields were Nikki's body is found. At four zero five am. His phone pinged on the highway near the ramp, were her clothes and purse were found the at four twenty two am. George went home and remained there until the morning. He was woken up by his friend at Jackson to go on a fishing trip. George had moved from Virginia to Green Bay in March two thousand sixteen, F Jackson had offered him a place to stay and helped him find a job. On May twenty first at any point in time, either before you left your, House In the car on the boat. With the defendant. Did you notice any injuries to his head now? Did you have a good view of his head during that time period dench. Bruising. Swelling no no abrasions. Contusions. and. He had no hat on for that time period. You're on the boat Mojo. Ed said that George didn't mention anything about what he was up to night before. When they returned home, they were watching the local news when a story about a local homicide came on. Ed said the SCUMBAG. That did it ought to be taken down. George didn't reply. Intently watching the news. The defense had their turn to call witnesses. They decided to recall Dallas Kennedy the babysitter to the stand. She was asked about a phone call between her and Doug two days after Nikki was killed just kind of going over. We're both in the investigator's office. and he basically stated that That was her body that they've found and that she had. Passed Basically in conversation and just asked what happened. You know what happened. And he just replied I. Don't know she hit her head and then she just wanted to walk. She's wanted to walk home. Conversation. It was just. Conversation between two people just in shock I asked if he was with family, and that he should just be with his family right now, and if he needed anything, reach out later, but. Kind of grief with your family. So specifically when you had asked him what happened. He said I don't know. She hit her head correct. It came out of his mouth that comment. I. Don't know what that meant, but it came out of his mouth. Della said the conversation ended shortly after that statemen. She also said Doug Astor for weed to smoke after he came home from the bar while she was watching Dylan. He smoked that night, but she did not. As the defense stated in their opening statements they would present a different version of events of how the night unfolded other than what the prosecution put forward. And in order to do so, the defendant George Burge is called to the stand to testify. George. Good. You've been sitting here for a long time is. Probably have a lot. You want to explain to the jury bizzare. But start from the beginning okay. George said he was born. In Hampton Virginia which is also known as Newport News, he was adopted when he was a week old, and never met his biological parents. He said his nickname since he was six years. Old is big country, and otherwise he goes by Steve. He was married with two children, and said in two thousand fifteen when he was going through a divorce, sat his kids down and told them he was moving to Wisconsin. His kids were quote one hundred percent behind him with whatever he to do. He moved into Ed and Linda Jackson's home, and then started working as a line cook. He felt he was working too hard there and got a new job working in landscaping. He would frequent the green. Bay Bar Richard Cranium, which was just three blocks away from Jackson's home. According to George on the morning of May Twentieth Two Thousand Sixteen he woke up around five am he went to his landscaping job during the day and then had dinner at a restaurant with Ed and a couple friends. Afterwards, they went to the mall, so George could set up his cell phone. They went to a friend's house to get supplies for their fishing trip the next day. The around eleven PM. George arrived by himself at Richard Cranium 's the bartender had his favorite drink, a jack and coke waiting for him. George said he struck up a conversation with an attractive blonde woman who appeared to be alone. and. How was she acting towards you? Some of the same pretty much. Sort of back and forth. So I. Guess Tell Me More about that if you remember in. What if you remember gave you the impression that you were flirting with her? And she was flirted with you. I'm a little closer to her. Just talking laughing joking giggling. light-touch year. They're just stick things that you can was help. Someone's Kinda into you I guess would. What? George said they were there until the bar closed, he invited Nikki back to his place, and he said she gave him the impression that she agreed. They left in his SUV. When they arrived back at his house, George said Ed's elderly father was awake, so we felt like they couldn't stay there. Nikki used the bathroom at the House and then she asked to go back to her place. He said she gave him directions as he was driving the. She asked him to pullover on Berkeley Road. George said Nikki saw there was a light on at her home and thought her babysitter was still up. He said they sat in the car and started talking and quote. Fooling around Choson. A little bit. 'cause you. Guess in the front seat almost. Go of Dicey Blazer. How did you? Didn't to the backseat I got out of the driver's side and walked around to the back passenger. She got in the backseat. Donor she got up in the back of just all over. into the back seat. George said things started to wait while they were in the back seat and their clothes started coming off. He's a big guy in. There wasn't a ton of room for him, so he opened the back passenger door to stand outside. He said. Nikki remained inside while lying on her back, and they proceeded to have what he described as not gentle intercourse. Missing remember. Apart from US having intercourse was. Literally Waking Up on the ground. Outside trump laying in the. Grass curb area. To. Make sure I get you correctly. So you remember having intercourse. And then you remember waking up on the ground. You don't remember. Any. Time there, no, sir. George said he remembers one minute having intercourse and the next waking up lying on the ground perpendicular to the car. He said he looked around to try to get his bearings. He went to grab his pants and realized someone was standing behind him. I, they are hurry. Was! Towing think about it. First I. I, I heard. Is Fairly dark. I saw someone look like. A hooded sweatshirt. Could really see any faces just. Santa behind me, looked like it was like. This direction. And would appear to be a file on his hand. George said he saw a man standing about ten feet behind him holding a handgun. He, pulled his pants up and was instructed to move towards the back of the vehicle. He considered running. Screaming are trying to attack. He noticed something behind the truck and realized it was Nikki laying on her back with blood coming out of her mouth. He couldn't tell if she was alive or dead, but she wasn't moving. He said the man behind him. was saying look what the fuck you made me do. The man made him pick Nikki up to put her into the vehicle. George said the man remained behind him, pointing a gun. He was told to shut the door and then get into the driver's seat. Forceful let me know this is what I wanted to do. And you're GonNa, do it in. A way I. Guess It'd be the. Put it. Was, was he? Wasn't extremely loud I'll more of A. Guest, new commanding tone Let me, know that he was speaking to me and what he? Meant everything that he was telling me to do. He said the man got into the back seat behind him when George looked in his rear view mirror, he was finally able to see the man's face. At that point did you know who that individual was never seen for my life? To know who that individual is now. Who was is that would be true? Doug D. Tree. George said he was told to turn the vehicle around. He reached up to put a seatbelt on and the man said. Don't even fucking think about it. The man nudged him and instructed him where to drive. Eventually he turned onto a dirt road into a wooded fields. He carried Nikki's body for a while, but was unable to hold her arms and legs at the same time and he dropped her. At this time I seen him kind of. Look away or not. Paid direct attention to me. was when I kind of. Went like this. To draw attention more. To what was going on? Then to me. When I did. The coal. Flip over. This way. Feel more like moorhead averse. And flipped over and when He. Caterpillar attention what was going on that time. That's my turned and. Everything I had lunged at him and pushed him as hard as I possibly to it at the time. For Down I don't know. At stumbled backwards. Fall Down I don't know. Because I, vote for. But to do. Hall to ask them I thought. MITRAL! George said he jumped in his vehicle and tried to take off. He pushed on the gas, realized he wasn't in Dr got into gear and then hauled out of there. He said he lit a cigarette and drove home using directions on his phone. He looked over and saw some of Nikki's things. Still in the car he freaked out and threw them out the window he went home, showered and washed his clothes to get the blood off. He noticed a bump on his head that was sore. He said he passed out from overwhelming exhaustion. He woke up the next morning to Ed. Saying it was time to go fishing. He said he was too scared to call nine one one because he was on probation for Grand Larceny. To Ed. Didn't say anything. Out of it was just well. I'm from. You don't talk you. Don't tell about things you see you. Don't tell them people. People get killed all the time while I'm from. Fear for my own safety. If I would have ever said anything because like I, said we're on from it. All the time people go to tell them. People Intel things at the end up dead. They never make it to court the never make it anywhere. They find them dead. He said he followed the case on the news. He felt he didn't need to come forward because the police had already arrested Doug. He didn't know that Doug had been released until he himself was arrested. George. Did you murder Nicole vendor hiding guns. Sir, definitely not. Did the BEECHAM. Began cross-examining George by questioning him on his inconsistencies, he was asked how the jury was to believe that he followed the case closely on the news, but only learned that Doug was released from jail from the investigators who arrested him? You had every intention of having sex with Michael that night correct. Hoping that was the way it's going the way it seemed like it was leading sir. Nicole, tell you that. She had young baby at home and she was a nursing mother. Believe she had. Said something about the nursing. Part I'm not sure. I do believe. She said she had a child because she had mentioned to me that she had a babysitter. I thought she told you that. The kids were out of town with their dad I said those, but also send them. We got there delight on. She said the babysitter was up. I. Would that be a problem? Why wouldn't you just s babysitter to go home and go inside Sarah? There have been in her house I, don't babysitter. So Nicole would rather have sex with you in front of her neighbors home. With your hanging out the door of the car and ask the babysitter to go home shuttle. I was the one making decisions. Next this state asked about autopsy findings presented in court, the vaginal trauma in bleeding that Nikki suffered the contusions to her genital area, painful injuries to her breast areas a fractured jaw when you get there. It becomes clear that Nikki isn't going to have sex with you. When she attempts to go into her house and leave your vehicle. That's when your mood change right no sir. That's when things get aggressive. Don't not at all. That's when you grab that cordon. Strangle her. Don't you know Sir all. That's when Nikki gets slammed on the ground repeatedly when she's trying to run toward her house on those bloodstains leading the direction actor home. That is true. Ought to you know you are out cold when if you solve because you said I did? Prosecutor Lassie, ask George if he expected the jury to believe that Doug did all of these things to his girlfriend while he was out cold on the ground. Why would doug think it was a good idea for a stranger to help him dump his girlfriend's body, and instead of holding onto Nikki's clothes and purse to give to the police as evidence. Why did he throw them onto the side of the road? You didn't know right. You don't know who's Diana's on hold. You don't know what's not on those both instead of fooling onto those Os and bring them in and explaining your story to the sheriff's Office you toss out your window. At spas doubt freaked out. China do it. I didn't I wasn't thinking clearly at the time to be completely honest. I didn't know what to think. I didn't know what to do. I've never been a situation like that before sir. Truth. Is What Sir. I've never been a situation where. To carry a body. No, sir, I haven't. George had previously been found not guilty of murder in Virginia of a man who was shot to death in a gang related killing in nineteen ninety-seven. Wear by. Your version of the events. In your version of the events. Fury assaulted? You're holding on point. Terry the mangled body of a woman to her final resting place. And the next day. You're going fishing with your body. With a smile on your face and now here in the world. It was a preplanned event. Sir and I wouldn't say not a care in the world. Though definitely will not be something I would say. Shoots! The defense had no redirect. Did Not give up easily. She showed for spirit through the N.. Nikki did not go gently into the night. Live she lets you signs. And turned into evidence to bring her justice. Don't ignore her efforts. To tell you the truth about her murder. She fought to live. Fight also gives you answers. Dollar struggles have been in vain. Allow, Nicole to guide you on the path to find the truth. which will lead you to the clear conclusion at George Bush is guilty of this murder. Beyond all reasonable doubt. We ask you to return verdict of guilty. FOR DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE! In his closing arguments, defense attorney Lee Shughart, said, the state failed to tell the jury about the arrest of Doug Guitry an important fact in the case. The fact, show you that Doug. Detroit committed this crime. Just as for Nicole. Is Not going to be delivered? By a wrongful conviction of George Birch. Doug Nutri had the motive. The opportunity. And the connection to this crime. And when the state talk to you about the motive that George Birchwood have, that's completely fabricated. Brought out of thin air. Journey evidence to provide a reason why George would commit, and so they had to make it up. You heard strong reasons why Doug Detroit would commit this crime. Nikki had a voice. On May Twentieth May twenty-first. And remember those text messages. She was telling Doug. Do Tree as their fight was just beginning. Attorney Shoe said Doug purposefully waited to report Nikki as missing to police, he said I witness testimony can be more important than GPS data, which is not always reliable. Shughart said George Birch is a hard worker, loving father and showed real emotion when he got on the stand. George knows it was wrong to not come forward right away, but that doesn't mean he's guilty of this crime, he said. George Bergson Burgess Lean. That he was having consensual sex with Miss, van driving. That, he had to carry her body. To that field? That explains why his DNA was on a cold. Now. Why was George Virtue DNA on that cable? George took the stand. You didn't try to guess at it or try to explain it to you because he couldn't. because. He was knocked out. STAYED CONSISTENT WITH You would think if he's trying to make up this elaborate story. He would have come up with some sort of explanation to everything. You didn't even try. As he didn't need to. You didn't know testify truthfully. In their rebuttal, the state called Georgia's testimony, nonsense and fiction. The jury was then sent out to deliberate. After more than three hours, they reached their verdicts. The verdict reads as follows we the jury find the defendant George Stephen Birch guilty of first degree. Intentional homicide is charged in the information. It is signed by our foreperson dated this first day of March two thousand eighteen. Nikki's family let out a gasp. While seated in the gallery, there were tears and hugs. They heard George Birch was guilty of Nikki's murder. The jury was dismissed and the court proceeded to sentencing. Doug D. Trees Mother Diane presented the last photo of Nikki Doug and Dylan taken together. Doug didn't speak at the sentencing, but provided a statement that said in part. He's most worried about the impact. Nikki's murder will have on their son. Judge Secorski said that the death penalty had long been abolished in the State of Wisconsin, but had it been on the books. This case Shirley would have qualified for it. She's walking on the street. You picked her up. She got into your car because she needed a ride, she wanted to get home and maybe at that point, she wasn't really keen on seeing Mr Detroit, but you wanted to get home to Dylan. To her six month old son. A simple request in a cost her her life. Because of what you did protection of the public. Is Extremely important in this case is well. Judge Secorski said there had to be good somewhere in George. Burge but struggled to explain how he was able to murder Nikki drop her body in a field and go fishing without a care in the world. George Birch was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole. In July, two thousand, Eighteen Doug Detroit pleaded no contest to second degree recklessly endangering safety, false imprisonment and negligent operation of a vehicle. According to the criminal complaint, an incident between Doug and Nikki's sister occurred in February two thousand seventeen nine months after Nikki's murder. Nikki sister had reportedly been staying with Doug to help with their child. Nikki sister and Doug when to a birthday party in relieving to go somewhere else when Doug reportedly touched her leg in a sexual manner. When she denied him and told him to stop. The complaint states that he got angry drove the car. They were in at high speeds and would not allow her to get out. He ran a stop light and only finally let her out when she started to kick the windshield. As part of the no contest, plea deal as long as doug stay out of trouble until October twenty first, two, thousand, nineteen, the felonies would be dismissed. As far as I can tell, he did just that. and. 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The Butcher of Plainfield: Ed Gein!
"Stay Tuned Atlas episode. For a song by yours truly Tomcat Tom Thompson. The. Underground. Jeffrey Dahmer Blood bomber. Waco Texas in. Bed for. Hitler fishes death. Man. Sam's. Again which. Mysterious. Toys and hot days. Is a product loans when you're feeling all alone grammar. Stone. podcast rains. Agitate. Out. To show. Off Going on people. Get into the Halloween season. His time billy. What's Up Tom Cat Aka Tom Thomson and Billy Kirby Rep the strange brew. Two names. DuNno be one name is because I've always said what fucking Tom and that's one puts my shit as. A. Stick to name. This is I got some Muskoka some Canadian beer, some muskoka brewery beer detours. Maybe. Beer is okay. I've never tasted a beer actually that's a lie that blueberry beer. Can say. Pardon me there's a better one than though. There's a place in Cambridge called rhythm and brews, and they make this maple beer and fuck me my Canadian balls just jingle her. Rhythm and booze are. And Bruise I me that. They have live music and everything but fuck me Maple Bearman pandered to your audience. Couldn't have been better and it was like. Try It also got some pineapple express going. All right. Let's get into it so. Are We said we're GONNA touch. Some distinct serial killer, some prolific serial killers because honesty like, yes. Other people have covered these zero killers and Blah Blah Blah but also people that never heard these mother fuckers or have never know the true story. If you listen to us, you get an opportunity to hear the full story and a fun way and even billy billy barely know shit about getting. The basics, right. So there's a lot of people probably don't. So we'RE GONNA get into zero point of our podcast is again a big time circulars to sometimes. So we're greasing the polls tank crystals, right? So it can be argued that every murderer is relatively sadistic, but this one, there's one particular both God that's so bad. He served inspiration for some of Hollywood's most sadistic murderers. Ed. Geene otherwise known as the butcher of Plainfield was always a little bit off I'd assume. That adds up. Yeah. So egging we'll get into the ambulance by lots of different movies. He he's why. Because really made fucking headline news but there's debates if he's actually legit a serial killer because usually three or more and we'll get into it. But as far as they know, he killed two people. He had super like three or more classifies a serial killer like you even if you kill for people. So you go four people over the course of thirty years. I couldn't imagined no see. Okay. Yeah it's not like. Just plan, that's a shitty. Shitty label for. Maybe four times that guy just snapped. What if there were accidents? What are this one shitty lucky. Dude. Just kept fucking hitting people jumping that's been happening. Quarantine. Shit. is like men killing their wives and shit because. The domestic rates have skyrocketed. Like I. Love My boss to soon as I told him that study was some stupid like dumb domestic rates of. Men To women have gone up like thirty five percent the first month or something like it was an. Easy and it's got to be some of the women egging it on. No nobody I mean all sure sometimes but. I just mean like soon as I told my boss said, he's like not stunned always like what the fuck do you think people go to work for men? I couldn't imagine being stuck on with my wife for entire. Lose my father's a guy and billy worked with you don't have a good spouse. fucking name but it seemed like he'd never happy home life. What's his name? The guy that came from Harvey's to Swiss and demand, and he would always fucking stay super late he would be. The, one girl, and then he would be about to leave abby as having a smoke in the jags James Talk from like fifteen twenty minutes because he did not want to go home and there's people like that. They are like a my home life. Ma'am I gotta stay here. Let's get to Ed Giddins childhood. Childhood game was born in Wisconsin where Jeff Dahmer from. Dahmer August Twenty Seventh Nineteen O. The second of two boys, his parents George. Philip gain in Augusta geen gloss shitting nats girl named to, and she was a fucking count and we'll get into it a little bit. Like I'm telling you probably the worst person. I. Know a couple. One of those bitches that nobody wants to get contact you. Know so he had. An elder brother? Henry George Geen Dean Augusta's hated her husband. He was an alcoholic who is unable to keep a job and had to work at various times as a carpenter tanner. On insurance salesman, you WANNA tanner is some of the townspeople tans hides like like cow hides and shit like that and make jackets stuff. Oh. I thought he was a spa. Setting, the back. And everyone was grimy Shit nobody was Tan. But if there were towns because they worked in tobacco fields all fucking day or farming, and Shit. So George owned a local grocery store. A shop fuel years later but sold the business and the family left to the to from the city. To live in isolation on one hundred and fifty, five Acre farm in the town of Plainfield Wisconsin which became the family. Their permanent residents for the rest of their lives because they all don't seem to live will live long but they just the all dichotomy around the same time I closely it we'll get into it. But Augusta took advantage of the family's isolation by turning away outsiders who could have influenced her sons. Eddie. Edward Edward Gain Eddie boy. Left the farm only to attend school. That's it. That's outside of the school. He spent most of his time doing chores on the farm. Augusta's was extremely religious like why those fucking West Baptists Fox that protests like soldiers, funerals, and throw Molotov cocktails Jews I. Don't know if they do that but. I don't WanNa see that. She preached boys. She preached her boys, the innate immortality of the world, the evil of drinking and her belief that all women except for herself for some reason were naturally promiscuous instruments of the. Devil. Except for her Aka. Mary was she she he called them all whores, hookers and shit. She hated literally all women except herself it was fucking weird. Little dead serious. It's like that's like men I. Know, what's that? I was GONNA say men feminist but that doesn't really make sense. What if yeah. That's like a man feminist I guess in a sense. All Man. Yeah. Except for me on going good there is good feminists that practice it properly and. I mean, my girlfriend is one technically but also. Kill all men and cut off their bowls. Breathe you don't really hear that much more about the good ones though 'cause they want a lot of their fight like. You want your fights. You got you got you got voting rights. You are treated in the eyes of just about every human being as some women yelling, Oh, I know I. Of course, there are a couple they're always going to be people and there is nothing you can do about it that are gonNA look at you differently there's nothing people are GonNa do a like sometimes men get looked at that way to not the same way not the same thing, but it happens and there's nothing you can do to change their mind but you've won so many battles men. I Hate I hate that stat though were it's like Men. Get, paid. Was it fifteen percent more to do the exact same job of women would do not anymore men need that fifteen percent by Valentine's Day? fucking. Shit like. Jeffrey now, but it is. It is kind of true and just kidding by the way there's a lot of women that work in fucking factories that get paid sometimes more than men so depends, but there's always gonna be a guy that makes more most likely. So probably, yeah keep fighting and like I've said before right who funded the feminist movement, the rothschilds in the rockefellers and all those people that the banks and stuff guess why? Why I wanna Wa because there was no. Pain. Techs. Take seems honestly you know what sucks. Here's here's a my shitty opinion that people are really gonNA fuck and Serena. Okay. Honestly, all pros, all kinds. I fucking. Wish I lived three hundred years ago where things could be based off one income. where? Honestly at the end of the day, naturally, women are better with children. Yes. Every Jaunts. Yes they have. To have an attachment bond to their children more than the father does they're always a hundred percent of the time. But on that note like view WanNa family, your mom can't like it's really hard for a parent to stay home. Now now you've got these fucking nannies and bullshit raise your kids. Talk. Yeah fucking sucks. That was my shitty. Say rounded. Say. The nineteen fifties. Thing because three hundred years ago. No Yeah Okay I didn't rea- I mean the fitness like maybe the thirties. Then you've got to go to war unless you're like fifty. Fifty in thirty. But then before that will enter worldwide, it doesn't matter. We win it. I'll just hang. She's saying. Why you get fucking Casto. So quickly because they blamed it on the front dodgy but I'm I'm on the nine hundred lines. Stay back here, and then when they get sixteen or Seventeen I'll be around twenty five to fifty or sixty. Almost to the eighties was a good point. You could literally live most times one income, but I get the people that don't WanNa have families of the month. You shouldn't have to stay home and I get that it should be an option. Stays home you go to work like it doesn't matter but should cost. That's impossible. Bitch make me money. Go make my ham Sam. GonNa be taking care of the. I'll be making her a ham. Sandwich. So. So his. Little. fucking. What's that thing called? So he's crazy mom Augusta. She revised time in the afternoon to read the Bible to them. Usually sections verses from the old, testament concerning death murder and divine retribution because you know the old testament's full of fucking beaten in hollering and fucking kill killing the gays. Yeah Ed. We're though this. Go on the gays Edward was shown to see that I wanna see that testament Romans. Twenty. Five seven. Killed The gays. Horman no I just wanted to see say like word for word kill the gays killing homosexuals probably would have said, no, I want to the infidels heal. Edward were shot by. His classmates and teacher remember him as Having strange mannerisms such as he seemingly random laughter. As Like, laughing just said hi man. Yeah, he was literally like laugh at his own personal jokes and sheds. Is there a fucking maniac? Those. Like why is he laughing? no-one said Shit everybody's reading their fucking books and he's like get past. This last. To make matters worse. His mother punished him whenever he tried to make friends which no wonder he turned into a circular and there is a decent master killers didn't have good parents. As friends because she wanted him to be a Momma's boy she. She didn't she was loosely. So brainwashed by the Bible, and so corrupted by that, she didn't want her kids finding other friends or having any links to society than schools Goddamn Minimum Minima community is. A fucking nut she is, and despite his poor social development, he did fairly well in school particularly in reading which I'm surprised because he's from Wisconsin. Back in the day is different. He's like that says cat. A. Know that I try Oh, you're on to war and a couple of years anyways Give the kitchen as. On, April first one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, ed's father died of heart failure caused by alcoholism g going to stop drinking age sixty six as we're drinking. Henry. Worse, the DAD's dead but he was already a drunken asshole that didn't do shift east. He probably wasn't beating the kids about religious bullshit. No. Other. At An. AD began doing odd jobs around town to help them. Cover living expenses with their mother. The brothers were actually considered reliable honest by residents of the community both worked handyman add also, which is really weird because even after I, think I'm trying to think after his mom died if he was still doing this, I think he was and was also frequently babysitting for neighbors. Weird old ed but he think that he babysitting because he related more to like children than adults. How old is the time? Mc just. PROBABLY YOUNG TEEN That yeah. Yeah. I would think like in started getting his s and shared after. Little Long. To be looking after four year olds. Gets laude. So yeah, because there's Kinda young adults because Henry began dating a divorced mother of two. East, I don't have to wash your push the kids she already has to Husky going. and. You plan to your plan to move in with her Henry. Read about his brother's attachment to their mother. An often spoke ill of her around Ed who responded with shock and with hurt. MOM's a bitch. Why would you say that mother and it's like, no, no Yo mom's a huge and it's like she's she's going to brainwash all. You'RE GONNA believe in Jesus and that's it because she doesn't let you WanNa fuck be with women so. He always talked shit. talker well, why wouldn't you? If you like fucking your mom's? Nuts. Probably beat you with the Bible. Here the third verse finding. You think after like nine times of that happening though dude. fucking get it through. School. Yeah. Just a May sixteenth nineteen, forty, four, Henry, and Edward burning away marsh vegetables on the property. So they're just burning marsh vegetables a marsh. Kamar Shikha, swampy bog I would think. I don't mark marshes like it's like a it's like a it's like a pond i. feel like. You keep saying I feel like. It's kind of like it's like wet like it's almost like a swamp, but it's not enough water they they had vegetables in there. But they're earning them but they had vegetables and I guess I don't think. Kind sounds right though he's saying, I get that. We're kind of suits that I feel like. I feel like it's it movie the original the in the book boggy Marsh. Google more we're going to find. Hurry up to seconds says, what is marshmallow? fucking near the marsh is a wetland. Dominated by vegetables. Wow, I can't fuck and read that word. See her basis. Rather, than a woody plant species, marshes can often be founded the edges of lakes and streams. I was fucking right I told you. It's on right because I think I didn't really believe you. So they're fucking for some reason which is weird because we're just burning wet shit. fucking burning stuff. The fire got out of control how it's. Now. So drawing the attention of the local fire department. But in the day, the fire has been extinguished firefighters gone. Ed reports do that Shit back then. because. They have to go hook up to a fire hydrant. Nineteen Thirties. These like Charlie, Chaplin Shit, we're all racing for a hose and shit and they like. People are all carrying one bucket of water. No it is out of control fire was like by two yards by two yards. Barely bigger than a fun thing about. The circus and clowns at the put out the fire that's going up the that's what I picture back then. Host. We'll go go go go everyone's freaking out and shit. They don't know what the hell they're doing the fucking. They put a ladder up the ladder keeps burning. Yeah, because everything was would back them. But like so after all the shit, ed reports his brother missing. Henry went to know Henry Gone. He's gone she go. With lanterns and flashlights a search party search for Henry WHO's dead body was found slaying face up. That's Apparently, rather find it face down. He had been dead for some time shit and it appeared the cause of death was heart failure. He had not been burned or injured otherwise. So gadgets like, yeah. We were like start a fire and then just hurt attack ran off. What the fuck it was later reported in Harrer lers biography of Jean deviant that Henry had head bruise on his head. Get into that a little later the police did dismiss the possibility of foul play and the county coroner later officially listed and Fifty Sean as the cause of deaths Cleveland. And who will the whose the only person here? Oh, it's Ed. Well, you know what I mean. Are they not fucking then looked up? God. Damn. Knock Ness monsters. Choked him out some suspect that Ed Geene killed his brother. We think. That was A. Real. Road Map of puzzle you had to get to that one. So Edna's mother we're finally alone to fuck. No, this is like this is like were matching. One movie. This is definitely from this inspired many things ask her But inspired psycho Norman Bates. Because think about it his mother, he brings us up like He. Hit you over the head with. Yes. So Augusta had had a paralysing stroke shortly after Henry's death and ED devoted himself to take care of his mother what a good little boy. Ways like fucking man now. Thirties. If, not older Jesus sometime in one thousand, nine, hundred, fifty youths need your head off your head sometime in nineteen forty-five. When the war was ending game was to shovel in fucking pig shit. All the soldiers are coming home gain later recount fucking job. What a trooper of a job. You home do you ever have good days at work? There's people I came that would if I love that Shit Loves Alvin. NAP people. Scuba. People like love the small coffee in the morning people smug. fucking. Shit. I'm looking at you, fuck? Arkansas. All right. Wait this vote? So I guess like later talked about an encounter, his mother was visiting a man named Smith. Live nearby to purchase some Straw, 'cause you just do that. Some strong. According to Ed Augusta Witnessed Smith beating dog. To, don't do the YELP exit real. A woman inside Smith's home came outside and yelled into. The Stop but guess what he did fucking didn't stock went after. He beat the dog to death is almost. Better, almost like a prove a point like. This is happening. You've seen again do a damn thing about it. Augusta was extremely upset by the scene get this. She wasn't upset about the brutality of the animal like to upset that he just listened. Yes. She was upset rather than the woman that was in the presence of the woman Gaza tool, and that woman was not married to Smith Show. She had no business being there Smith's Harland. So this what Harlot. Isn't always saying slut. So. She like she wasn't even mad about the dog. She was mad over the women I being there that wasn't his wife improbably that she talked back to him like. You don't do that because all of them are hawkers like she's got a fucking. So, Yeah Shit. That sounds like a fun call that may be on. Hey. Answer that one, this Chinese number you're. Hilarious. Trending shoot. Out. Need to home who come to me I think it says curse one. Avenue. fucking telemarketers do you get? For the past two weeks for some reason, I keep getting this Chinese bullshit the exact same thing some nice melody and some fucking Chinese or Japanese hanging tongue Honghai dental and I it doesn't leave me a fucking voicemail or anything just calls me and then leaves me a voicemail where we're just empty. Or sometimes, Chinese voice, it's always the same fucking people. So fucking we isn't that weird second is the. Gas, which is this one was weird like fucking Zuber on. Yeah. What did you do? What did you sign up for on? Your number on their phones. My buddies at work. He'd get harassed to you and shit over the fucking phone. Can we have a quick shoot for a sec because I can totally going to forget about this if we don't talk about this right now? What? Guy Faulk is Netflix doing right now. Oh, what the Fuck I. Know what the? Fuck. These girls, I, watched that trailer because I was like I wanted to see how probably. took off your pants. You fucking crowd not at all. I was watching my girlfriend because I want to say see if like it was in the Trendier, the coming up or whatever shows are coming in that thing I, want to see if it was just people overreacting because the poster or if it wasn't, it seems really fucking weird. Working Shit what do you expect them to do they? All fucked cows But. That was just joking. Like they'd love cow it's a foreign a make love I think it'd be a thousand times worse if it was an American or Canadian film, it's like An. Old Man. Still those terrible house networks condoning that because they can own everything man that's fucked. Epstein. Steve Documentary L. Economic Show about fucking kids torquing anyways. That's. Okay No, it's really fucked out. We can talk about that. No fucking free for all episodes. Or some shit, but it's it's deep. We've already touched upon me one talking about the whole fucking pizza bullshit fucked up and yeah I, don't know what's up Netflix's they're usually good. They have comedy as we have good documentaries and then we fucking shit. Fuck and get away with watching child porn. Just watch this fucking movie. Times over you. Know it's like. I'm not going to get into it, but it's like they're normalizing. So she had a second stroke soon after. The fucking she beat this. Be watched the dog beach turned around so much you had a stroke. Her health declined rapidly she died on December twenty, ninth nine, hundred and forty, five at the age of sixty seven men. died in sixty six and then she died at sixty seven I was kinda crazy mom and dad both. Cheese by burning Aharon it was devastated by her. And the words of author Gerald Suckler Scheckter He had lost. He had lost his own. And his one. True Love. And his world. Now in this world, he was absolutely alone. Only. Aloma mommy. His Mommy's is true fucking one true love. MOCATTA was actually the why is that like ten times today because I was limited just watching I was cooking earlier and I was watching Dr Phil. And there was not one but three fucking women that all. had. Sex with their teenage sons what yeah. All right now for that ocean. I'm saying. That's why am I hearing about this a lot today synchronicity. Zeman synchronicity. At held onto the farm and earn money odd jobs, he boarded up rooms used by his mother including upstairs downstairs, Parlor living room leaving them literally untouched while the rest of the house increasingly kind of deteriorated go. Will Post pictures on the page? How slick because he was a Slav hoarder? He would have been on that show and they'd be like so we have over here like there's all these dead cats because there's a lot of hoarders with people that they'll pick up a couch dead cats under it. That's fucking real. That was a joke of some shit sure that Israel I've seen but then with him. Going to his house, like why do you have to have these many noses in one box? Nobody needs this many fucking cut off noses in a box what about this? What are you how? Are To do with these skulls. You really think you need eighty-one skulls are Framingham Vodka so While the rest of the house. Yeah became. These. Rooms remained literally pristine. The ways mom kind of left them live there in a small room next to the kitchen around this time he began interested in reading Paul magazines and adventure stories pulp A. Pulp Fiction. It's just like pulp fiction is like fucked up dirty magazines, but some of them are dirty and then some of them are just like crime fucked up stories. Okay. Stuff like that. Particularly those involving cannibals air or or big one. Nazi atrocities. Nazi atrocities like Campbell's and he lacked Nazis New York them dying or like him doing rally. Because this is right after World War Two. The great after so people are kind of like there are still people are like maybe like Right, like you know especially probably in Wisconsin I'm just joking. But. Like there was still people that like or like it was now coming out all the news is coming out the war's over and show you have the ability to read upon learn about the Nazis. You didn't. So he really liked it. Should have been one ED was a handyman and received in the field. Would have been like Joseph. mangles best friend the guy that like fucking made the all that. Well, he likes. Worked on all the people and fucked and like cut off a twin of Dick can be twin. Feel that like yeah. So he gets his friend. We're going into nausea called very fucking San. That's for sure. and was handyman and received. A farm subsidy from the federal government starting in ninety one, he occasionally worked from a local municipal. This Appel municipal road crew municipal. And he was also cropped thrashing crews in the area. So you go in thrash crops. Come down, with Arkan. THRASHED THEM CRA-. Sometime between nine hundred and forty, six and nineteen, fifty six. He also soared a little bit of the land that actually was owned by his brother. Okay. So he was probably they'll pay up. To keep going. So let's check your ties. Crimes would be due on the morning of November Sixteenth Nineteen fifty. Seven. Plainfield hardware store owner, Bernice Warton disappeared, Plainfield, resident shut. The fuck resident was reported that the hardware store truck had been driven out of the building at the time at nine thirty and the hardware store was closed the entire day. Stole all their hammers so the truck and their chainsaws. Harvest was the best place to front dotty fucking. Some area residents believe that this is because of deer hunting season that maybe she was closed because people were closed on this day. And Bernice Weird Bernice warden son was actually a deputy sheriff. Frank Gordon enter the store around five PM to find the stores cash register was open and there was blood stains on the flow. It was on the floor. It was on the floor the walls now just see you drag drag came out to the snow outside was like a blood fucking shit. Yeah crazy. That's my. is like kidnap shit, but she's already dead made into a suit. You're having A. Particular set of skills. Whereas my fat daughter because she's a big woman. Ed Geene while seen pictures ever and egging liked women both times, and then this is what he would also will get into her robin. Freshly corpse that look his mom so. She's dead. All dead body is. Sitting Pineapple. Pretty good change. So Frank Warden told investigators egging have been in the store that evening before his mother's disappearance. So that's like A. He went out of his way always. So wait thirties go to the store. Okay I thought he was just like you know what? I saw her Sunday. And tell them. No, he's by. Rope. He bought a fishing lure. About one big strap on penises from. Okay. Now what is. A woman has disappeared. Yeah. Her father knows a fucking sheriff, right so Obviously, the last person seen and that he would return the next morning with a gallon of antifreeze I. Guess. Yeah, the did a sales slip for a gallon of anti freeze was last receipt written by fuck and Bernice warden. Disappeared on that evening of the same day at was arrested because guests whose name was on the receipt. Eddie. So. Arrest Ed was arrested at West plainfield grocery store, and the sheriff's department searched the Geen Farm Okay County Sheriff Deputy. discovered. Man I hope it's not the dad. The data I think it is the day that fought. So this motherfucker I'm pretty sure. Yeah, and this I think this is the guy that died of a heart attack couple years after the fucking shit came out and because he was the first person on the scene with other cops. And probably because he found his daughter's body dead. Decapitating the shed on Geen property. If if I'm thinking of, it's the same guy 'cause there's a guy that after he went through the case and everything like that. fucking died because probably killed him because there's so much stress and thinking about all the shit. So I it was hung upside down. By her legs with crossbar at her ankles around her wrists and the tour. So was was was dressed like a deer. So I was GONNA I was looking at how do we draw? Cut It now the explain plan, but I was looking to find how to do this on facebook post this because I want to post picture looking on how to find how? How we know how you do the context shit because I was. Kinda. WanNa post the pictures because I found some of the the murder scene photos shoe strung upside down and she her vaginas cut out he. Oh My. Makeshifts. Parker Acoustics literally actually pretty much. Yeah. Used to the VAGINAS. He was very interested by the vaginas probably because his mom told him, they hate women. So her like her she's struggle upside down it's cut open like how they cope and a dear to gut it. Okay and it's like. John is just gone. It's all it black and white photos as brutal as an HD photo today would be. But like it all skull cut up and fucked up because I had to look at. Of these, I've already. Get the. Wait a minute I I was on that I got like seventy photos sitting in my closet. Fuck House mazzacane because I was I was like young research zero killers and I would probably look at the crime scene. I, kind of remember seeing that the whole can cut my. fucking though and there's a lot of fucking shit. So let's so she was shot in the head shot with a twenty, two caliber rifle and. Pretty much immediately immediately. Laid because just. Mutilated. There's no. So you know what they found the Harris A. List. List. Okay. Hall she went bones and fragments one. wastebasket made of human. Skin. Human skin covering several chairs, chair seats. That's a lot. What. So he several Chevrolet Chair seats were human for more. Yeah. Skulls on bedposts. That's fun like coverings like like he he he carpenter you would like it made it look Super Nice Tan and hide the skin and ship because he was he knew how to do it. and. We'll get into even and. Giants he's teaches to corey his home. So female skulls, some of them were tops were saw off and he would make balls made of human skulls fun. Off followed the most. No you make the ball return that you cut the. Scarlet off. Super Bowls. Took nude one. Of course, it made from a human torso skin from shoulder the way. So it was like a coat and this is the one that he danced around in the moonlight in Shit. Music Video. So he yeah, he put on. But it's more of like probably him wanting to be like his mother and be not even like inside of his mother and be like not a woman I. Think you want to be his mother and he would wear this fucking titty jacket and There's photos of that I'M GONNA try to post the page bill allergies going. But. So. He would wear it and this dance around in the moonlight they say answer whose they who watched him. Dancing the every day for like the past two wearing he's that. He's goat. So leggings. This is kind of cool for back. Then leggings made from human lag skin. 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It's really disgust from dead bodies. And then he and hide it. So he essentially kind of dried out the skin. I think that's what they do and then made a belt and the fact that he went to all this effort like make clothing maker fuck and things. So we could feel like he was a woman and he probably like squeeze on the fucking. Dead. Bubis, from somebody's Corp says like man imagine the family members of the fucking like we'll get into nipples know the founding of the people I doubt is. Still Alive and know that Sir I'll look him ever who bad trust your. Nipples, different. Wisconsin. Afford there is a four knows is. News is big now Maju. Pair of Lips. This is the best but this another good point, there is a pair of on a window shade as drawstring. So you pawn the lips this is so cool. Is. This is the guy type. She's crafty a lampshade made from skin of human faces, but he was taking inspiration from people like. Heinrich Himmler Shit like that because Hammer Kimbler I'd like a fucking lamp. One of the guys that were like ruled the concentration camp. Set it up and everything like watched over in big asshole. There was a pig farmer. What. Is your skin. MED- midge skin. The artifacts were photographed at the State Crime Laboratory. And then discreetly disposed of A. When questioned, when questioned Geen, some guy took the nipple home for sure one hundred percents. When we have that many photos of it is taking the show question gain told investigators that between one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, seven, and nine, hundred, fifty, two he made as many as five nocturnal visits to the three local graveyards to zoom recently buried bodies and he was watching these focus being. Any sued has got fucking buried today. She was a big fat woman like you ever Suzano lambs yet. Big. Fat. Lady. This guy has and shit and the fact he's looking for like like like burly women that looks like his mother. So he claimed while he was doing this. He was like a dream like state he's like Oh just Oh, I was late brock and I wasn't actually I don't recall the I woke up and there was due to love my body, my fingernails blood on the fucking me. On a belt thirty of those visits he said he came out of the days while in the cemetery, left the grave in order in good order and return home empty-handed. So we like you woke up. Halfway through like fuck and then to search pollen back on like Oh man i. should have done this number. So after on other occasions, you dig up the graves of recently buried middle aged women. So he did probably kids every everyone. Seems like a lot of women because probably because his mom taught him hatred for Women Susanne use them as objects. Saved the men in the grave maybe that's auster. Okay. He dug up there. So he dug up a lot of graves of. A middle aged women he thought was his mom and took their bodies home egging admitted to stealing from nine grace from local cemeteries led investigators fucking to their low two locations. and Alan Willey Mov Mava Sqi of the Crime State Laboratory go was calling my allen. He participated in opening three test grades to identify gain and the caskets inside or would boxes on top of the boards ran across rails not lengthwise. He actually like put him up. He put grace back with fuck? I'm fucked him up I guess. The boards and how I guess they layered the fucking Hey, probably. Probably just like through the piece of wood and they didn't. Make sure nicely on top of it and the blocks on the top of the boxes were about two feet below the surface in the sandy soil. So he didn't do the six feet. He's like two's good enough like and which is fucking so but wouldn't it have been done weird. That's a weird thing. Why would the only be two feet below the surface while he was digging he brought up the body want get take the body right away. So you. Might as well keep working on the. Back or maybe like. I don't understand. Yeah get that doesn't make some. More bodies kicking sand in the fucking group. Egging had robbed these graves soon after the funeral while the graves completed Oh that's why so I guess they put them like two feet down and they bring the bodies back go back then in the fucking keep digging. fucking nonsense. That's nonsense. That is the most nonsensical fucking Shit I've ever heard. They're not completed like. fucking very rich I. Yeah. Maybe. It means that the only put? Yeah. The only put two feet of to feed the soil on top while they're doing the barrel rights and then they finish after. So for some reason, it took them like a day and then he would run over there. Is I. IS IT EASY? That's Not No, no wonder he didn't have to go to too much links to like he was like looking around, he was hustling to make sure he found the next looking in the paper from the obituary. Gets buried on Sunday. Tuesday he was a fucking Fox and. There was no nighttime grave keeper isn't this? Isn't the era where around categories that time because everybody was doing that? So one CAST CASCA was empty one casket failed to open when he lost the pry bar and most of the bodies were gone from three graves yet geene had returned. Rings in body parts. This is weird. So this was a collaboration, his confession that he would like things from the buyers like rings or something that was important they. Go back and be like here's your wedding ring story. fucking. We're soon out a little bit of a conscience. So soon after his mother's death, this is when ad began creating. The woman suit. The woman, he just wanted woman that would suit him. he he could become so way think so that he could become his mother Julie Crawl into her skin and denied having sex with the bodies one he zoomed them explaining they smell too bad. Yeah they smell to ban. They smell to. So you want to fuck it. That's that's your line. Yeah. It's fine. albro buried up. I'll make fucking skins I'll make. Oh I don't. Fuck it. DEVONISH IBA anal sometimes because it's already kind of gross but like it, just I just couldn't get fucking getting jobs men and she wasn't doing any of the work. SAW During the state lab crime the interrogation and when they were testing certain things because I don't know what they tested back then because they had DNA so we're just. Face literally face He. There are small towns. It's small everybody like somebody knows somebody it's also admitted. So that's when you also admitted shooting. And killing Mary Hogan Tavern owner that we're missing since nineteen, fifty, five, nineteen, fifty four, and over knew where she was whose head was found his house. That's when he kind of his I killed that for some reason, he snapped. Looks like mother. Yeah But he later denied the memory and details of her death at sixteen year old youth whose parents were friends of Ed's who attended a ballgame movies with him. Reported that Ed. Geene kept shrunken heads in his house. That's fucking cool. I would have one of those evacuated from Africa if someone wants to give it to me on the side a market most of them are fake. Shrunken heads African how did they so? They still come in some. and. Then they bind the flesh to like a thing. I don't know why know that. It's kind of interesting because he's like necklaces. What troll dolls are based off? Their fucking. There's some weird troll coming out though that's for sure. Yeah, there's one where you like I think it's the troll. To, touch part to get giggle and it's like not a good part Alamo. Beat with your fist no laugh. Talking about Weird fucking toys. So we know, fuck. Separate. Which So which can? Add had described as relics from the Philippines. WHAT'S UP Philippines simply by cousin who have served there on the islands during World War Two. So obviously that he got some shrunken heads or he made his own because they were killing everybody thought investigation by the police these determined the human facial skins carefully peel corpses that did use as masks. So this fucking creepy gain was also considered a suspect in several other unsolved cases in Wisconsin including the nineteen fifty-three disappearance of Everley heart hardly. Wouldn't he confessed that a babysitter because he claims and we'll get into this but he'll be the only serial killer in history to ever get an insane guilty plea that he wasn't the only serial killer. Yep and so we'll get into they. He just claims that he wasn't a haze in and you know maybe it's because it was small town that he got away with it and the way. Yeah, we're not even a good lawyer. I just think that they probably like everyone knew him in the town was a Weirdo was a Weirdo but like everybody like. At least given the mental shed. So you'll get some help now he'll just like fling poop around room. He was sent to essential State Hospital for the criminally insane. Now the Dodge Correctional Facility or institution for sure. Yeah. It was like a Shitty like fifties commercial. Hammer. Darker. Don't. Smoke Pot seminars national. Forty two, nine, hundred, a month. All Yours. A maximum security facility that lady later he transferred to the Mendota State Hospital and Maths Madison. Wisconsin. Thousand Nine, hundred and sixty doctors determine ed game was mentally able to confer with the council and participate in his defense, which is a bad idea. Oh, Shit. Trump began on November seven, nineteen, sixty eight and lasts for one week psychiatrists. All fast trial. We. Know we did it that Ted Bundy screaming fucking Stan of the judge. A psychiatrist. That Ed had told him. He did not know whether the killing of Bernice warden was intentional or accidental and had told him that well, he examined a gun in Ward in store. The gun went off killing warden. First of all, why the fuck is there a loaded gun in a store? Why are you giving to a customer and why are you giving it to a guy that looks like he's already fucked? What are you giving a guy? Yeah so he will back venues look. I want to. Go see a bullet. Let me just SUV this flares supplementing ahead no Louis See. Closer fucking. Oh. So we do not remember anything else that happened that morning at the request of the defence egging trial was held without a jury and he was found guilty on November fourteenth and the second trial del. Sanity, he didn't get them the insanity he did for. A second second trial dealt with gains insanity. Without jury that the testimony by. They ruled gain that not guilty by reason of insanity which I'm saying he's the only fucking serial killers this even though the probably owned sane. And they probably need mental health long before all. In order he was committed to central. Hospital for the criminally insane and he spent the rest of his life in the mental hospital. And see him my key kind of enjoyed it. He's puttered around his own shit primates taxidermy of like fucking old dead rats and Shit it's maximum security I. Guess He's in the hospital. He's not unless security other fucking Wackos. died at the mental. Hospital. is to the one. Gain died at the mental hospital the one that was a mass in Wisconsin due to respiratory failure second to lung degree cancer. So. We a lot of dead body probably fumes imagine his house of probably S- pestis and all. To. Reach Anyway. So he died on. July twenty, six, nine, hundred, eighty, four at the age of seventy, seven over the years souvenirs. So a souvenir when people used to do what they would chip pieces from his gravestone. The place feel cemetery until the stone itself was stolen in two thousand. Two Thousand Jack that story that crazy and it was recovered in June two, thousand one near Seattle is only which is your ear an Golfer. Seattle as someone's like I just got to bring him to this place they satanic. Trying to sell it to be honest. They're probably trying to sell makes. Fuck you. So it was placed in storage at the cares shouting department sheriff's department the Gravesite. Now unmarked but they it's unknown but he's with near near his parents and shared oh? But, I want you burn alive? Yes. Food. So the story of Ed Geene as lasted in effect on the American population in American pop culture pop culture as evidenced by numerous appearance in film music and literature like there's there's bans early based on alternate. Sure. Egging cruncher. hate my mother and I made. fucking. Hillbilly. The detail came widespread public attention and the fixed night fictionalized Asian version presented by Robert Bloch and his to air block lex. What is it French? I don't know to be L. A.. C. H.. Block Block Jen. His first suspense suspense novel and Nineteen fifty-nine Okay. It's called psycho and then Auburn. Hitchcock literally bought the rights of a year later and made the film psycho. He must have like heard about the story probably inspired but also read the book case. Gabia. Fucking, fucked up movie and the if you know any psycho is based on, you know he guy runs this motel then you think he mother screaming and like living with his mother if you've never fucking scene which is weird flicks and shit now, and then you find out that I, don't think I'm watch rest up black mother. There's like the original version is really good. I like all Birch Cop. One of the first come on nineteen sixty. The thing is they had I think at the time they had color but are keen. Albert Hitchcock. Liked. White. It's a really good movie like Norman Bates callups accused Sushi watch it. But Guess what there was a reincarnate are a remake and guess who was a psycho Norman Bates. No you just said the cycle. No. But who played him in the nineties, I oh, Shit. No. INS fawn. No. Way. You should watch because I. Really. It's actually pretty good. He's pretty fucked up in the movie it's on prime or something like that. I? Think. So check it out a Vince Vaughn get the fuck. Netflix. Because this is he was doing more serious roles. I. Think it was eight, nine, hundred, eighty, nine, or nine, hundred, ninety something. You should. Check it out. It's actually it's actually pretty decent for fucking him a a serious rule, and so gain story was loosely adapted in numerous other films including deranged in nineteen seventy four to see that I kinda WanNa Watch it I've heard about it egging the butcher of Plainfield, two, thousand seven and then Rob Zombie Films House thousand corpses and its sequel like Devil's rejects Connick Guy? Inspiration? Should. They fucking put faces on like? Rob Zombie fucked up Shit God, the fucking army. Again why does she keep coming back? That's the second time like literally in two days as mentioned, the Devil's rejects to me too. Boss just bought one of their fucking like dope like he he likes to collect records. So it got record and it's like the devil rejects record. That's actually kind of coolie Shipman. This looks so cool like it's all like blood-stained and shit. Sick Kurds out there and I. I just watched house dozen corpses and we just watch the three from Hal recently, and then I kinda to watch devils reaching. Quarantine kind of bullshit and now I WANNA fuck and go back and up was reject seventy, the other two now I really liked the fucking new people taking. We'll get. there. So obviously, he also inspired fictional serial killers most notably Norman Bates right? But you also have What's the other one? Patrick Bateman. American psycho never see. fucking American. Psycho. psychos my favorite fucking through Thriller Films Fuck in the Christian. Bale. Maybe I'll watch it when you watch. Okay. Well, I'm saying for all the fans have never seen American psycho just on netflix summer. She died in crime watching that Shit fucking I think we all at this point I think it's almost canceled enough looks descriptions. Agree fucking Wanson. So then obviously got leather face exchange massacre and then you've got Buffalo Bill from the Saas lambs below been over. Woman was. Fat Woven. Way To have no built up. When a fucking just throw that on me by the way Holy Shit we were just talking. All Right Click. What is K. I almost wanted to leave this question open ended but I know where it's GonNa go But. I'll leave it anyway. What do you think is the coolest thing that can be done with peanut butter. Say, saying it a fucking. There you what you do. Hey It's on fucking on your or wherever your fucking dog to lick it off. Talks with them like peanut. Butter. Every dog looks better. Now honestly, this is actually GONNA call it. So it is Most of us are happy slap some peanut butter between two slices of bread a dentist named Dan Frost fuckers. In Germany, of course. Did. Something a little bit different. What did he do? He treats his dog had. Nodded dog. There's no dog in this story. 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Ep 76: Sinister Inference - The Murder of April Barber
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Somebody shot me and my wife, the man then pulled his car over onto the median and so Jim pulled his car over to the other side of the street and then ran over. He opened up the man's car door. And the man said, I've got to get to a hospital Jim noticed that. The man who was bleeding heavily was alone inside the car. Where's your wife? He asked. I don't know. The man side. She's on the beach, Jim asked where on the beach and the man replied. I don't know she's back on the beach somewhere. I gotta get to a hospital Jim flag down another passing vehicle. This with a couple inside and ask to use their cell phone, so he could call nine one, one Jacksonville beach. Police officers and fire rescue ascended onto the scene. Rescue personnel immediately started tending to the man who had been shot four times. And meanwhile, the man was trying to direct the officers to where he had last seen his wife somewhere near the beach. He said deputy T W sellers noticed a purse lying on the floor board in the front passenger seat of the man's car. He opened it and dumped its contents out onto the passenger seat. He was hoping to find the idea of the woman. They were now looking for. And sure enough the woman's ide- and cell phone were inside. He held up the ID and asked the man, if that was his wife. And the man nodded they were looking for Twenty-seven-year-old April barber. Her husband, thirty two year old Justin barber was then taken away in an ambulance after scouring the beach at Guana river state park about ten miles away from where Justin had flag down the motorist police officers and rescue personnel found April. She was lying at the foot of the boardwalk, and she was no longer alive. She had been shot once in the left cheek they were now searching for a killer. This is Jillian and you are listening to court junkie, episode seventy six. Justin and April. Barber had been married for just over three years. When the shooting occurred, they had met in their home state of Oklahoma in nineteen ninety eight through a mutual friend. Justin had just gone through a divorce. They began dating and just ten months later. They were married. Both had attended the university of Oklahoma, April had received her bachelor's degree in radiation therapy, and Justin his masters in finance shortly after, they got married the couple relocated to Douglas, Georgia for Justin's job. Meanwhile, April worked at a nearby hospital, but not long after that, the couple's marriage became a long distance one Justin took an analyst position with the wood product supplier in Jacksonville, Florida. And he lived in a condo there, while April lived and worked in Covington Georgia each weekend. However, April would make the drive to Jacksonville to be with her husband on that fateful night. An August seventeenth two thousand two Justin would tell investigators that after April arrived into town, the night before the two decided to go out on that Saturday night for a belated three year wedding anniversary celebration. Well, investigators continued searching, the beach for clues the Saint John's sheriff's department sent some detectives to the hospital. Justin had been taken to see if they could find out more about what happened after being taken in an ambulance kid, then been airlifted via helicopter to the closest trauma center when the detectives arrived Justin was in his hospital bed, although he was conscious and alert his four gunshot wounds were visible. There was one on his left shoulder, one on his right shoulder. One on his right chest, and another that had gone through the center of his left hand. The officers sat down to speak with him. And after telling him of his wife's passing he seemed anxious to cooperate in any way. He could. He told the officers that he and April spent the afternoon together, and that later that night around eight thirty they went out for dinner at a restaurant in Jacksonville beach called Karabelas after dinner. They walked down to the boardwalk by all the bars. They had wanted to go to the Atlantic. But when they got there, they saw that it was no longer there. It was now called something else. So they went to the Ritz instead and played a few games of pool and had a couple of drinks there. He said April wanted to go for a drive and a walk on the beach. So they drove south they stopped at the first beach they came across which had a parking lot that was locked up. He parked his truck on the side of the road, and they walked down the ramp from there. He said, they walked along the beach for about fifteen minutes, and then April wanted to go back towards the deck. He said they were going there, so they could have sucks. But while they were walking a man approached the following audio. From the hospital room interview. Some parts are a little difficult to understand. So after each clip, a reiterate, what he says. Me. He said he wanted cash. I am. And April said something, I don't know what she pointed to her. And when you try to. Tween. Fired the gun. We started fighting. In a fit like he was hitting me. And I don't I don't know what happened after that. Just in said, the man walked up really fast. He doesn't know where he came from. He pointed a gun at Justin, and said he wanted cash, April said something then he's not sure what? And then the man pointed the gun at her, when he did that Justin said he tried to go in between them, and that's when the man fired the gun, they started fighting, and he felt the man hitting him. And he doesn't know what happened after that. He said when he came to, he didn't know where the man was, or where April was. No, we're in on. I didn't know where April on in sort of looking and found her in the water. She was. It worked. She was. Pulled her out and I couldn't tell she wasn't responding. I tried to pick her up, but I couldn't get her over my show. By armed work. I couldn't air your. I kept getting greasy pole folder, and I got her to the to the deck. And I decided that trust car. Until I ran out to the roads. But nobody been caused by at least three headed south headed. On both stop to. I was in the middle of the road. They had this worked voi- hitting okay? Trucks. Drove his his. I found anybody who would talk. Who had a phone. After the called police he started looking for April and found her floating face down in the shallow water. He pulled her out of the water and he could tell she wasn't responding. He tried to pick her up, but he couldn't get her over his shoulders. He couldn't get his arm to work, and so he pulled her and got her to the boardwalk, he said he could tell that April had been shot. She was limp and her face was bleeding. He decided he was going to flag a car down. He waved at three different cars all who swerved to avoid hitting him. But none stopped he said he then got into his truck and drove as fast as he could looking for someone who could call the police the detectives asked him to describe the shooter. I think Dr. Taller stronger. I don't. I don't know what he's. Volcan. At something on it, but. Dr. He said, the man was white, but with darker skin taller, stronger and heavier than him. He was wearing a baseball cap with something on it. And dark t-shirt, he said he doesn't remember seeing the man's pants or shoes, and he didn't get a good look at his face because it all happened so fast. He just remembered the man saying something about cash, he told the detectives that he normally carries cash in his pockets, but that he couldn't be sure if he had any on him at the time when asked if the man would have any injuries on him from the struggle. Justin said he was only trying to grab it the gun. He wasn't swinging at him. So he didn't get any hits in. He said he didn't remember seeing any other cars in the area. Investigators put out an alert for their suspect and interviewed witnesses who had been in the area that night, one witness told police that they had seen an older Chrysler sedan parked next to Justin's SUV at the beach, but thus far they were unable to find it. They also searched up and down the beach itself, using helicopters dogs and metal detectors. They found three twenty two caliber bullet casings, sandy footprints, and drag marks presumably from where Justin had tried to drag April from the water to the boardwalk. But other than that, they kept coming up empty, there was no trace of the murder weapon, or the killer. Justin was released from the hospital, the next night, the following week, a funeral for April was held and her loved ones came out in droves to say their goodbyes a week, went by with no real leads or clues. Detectives ask Justin to go back with them to the beach where it had all happened to walk them through it again. And he agreed. Justin reenacted what he said he remembered from that night how the gunmen had pointed a gun at them how he had heard a gunshot ring out before then passing out how when he came to. He found April floating in the water and how he struggled to carry her to the boardwalk. The following is from Justin's affidavit, which provides a more detailed description than what he gave in that quick interview with detectives at the hospital quote we walked for ten to fifteen minutes before turning around to return to the duck. We walked holding hands at the water's edge April on my right nearest the water as we walked north. I felt April tense her hand holding mine and stop walking. I looked up, I had been watching the waves come in over our feet and saw a man about ten feet away. He was wearing a dark baseball cap with a light colored logo on it. He was wearing a baggy T shirt, dark. He was walking quickly towards us with his arm extended towards me. I thought he had a gun but it was small as he approached he alternately pointed the gun at my face then my chest than my face again. The barrel of the gun was small and round like to. Ooh. Yeah. The man was white his hand on the gun was pale, but his arm, and neck Riveria tan. He seemed agitated he was shifting his weight from one foot to the other after he stopped s he approached he yelled, something at me. I couldn't understand what he was saying. Because he was yelling and seemed angry at thought. I heard him say cash, but I don't know exactly what he said. I told him my wallet was in the truck he yelled at me again in jabbed the gun closer to my face. He was right in front of me and the gun was less than a foot from me. I don't know exactly what he said. But I heard him say keys before it could get my keys out of my pocket. April spoke, her voice wasn't angrier confrontational. So I assume she was speaking to me, I didn't understand what she said when she spoke the man pointed the gun at her. I tried to step in between the man in April because I didn't. The gun pointed at her as I stepped in between the man in April he fired the gun. It was loud. It shocked me. I don't know if the bullet hit me or if it had April, I froze for a second, and then tried to grab the gun, I had my hands on his hands and tried to hold on. But he was jerking his arms around. I was having trouble keeping my balance and I lost my grip on the gun. A grabbed the gun again and tried to keep him from pointing it out me, I was dizzy, and having difficulty standing up and holding on I felt my knees and remember trying to get up. I think I blacked out. I was lying on my side in the sand. The sand was wet and I was what I stood up and immediately felt dizzy, and nauseated. I couldn't see anyone else. I thought that April had run away, I started yelling for April and looking up and down the beach for her Iran, south down the beach. Look. For her. I turned around and went back north. Then I saw April in the water, she was face down in the water not far from the shore. I ran into the water and turned her over she had a hole in her cheek that didn't seem to be bleeding very badly. I yelled at her, but she didn't respond. I tried to pick her up and carried her a short distance before. Stumbled in the water, I pulled her onto the sand I tried to pick her up and put her on my shoulders, but I couldn't lift her high enough. She was so heavy a picture up in my arms. But I dropped her I tried from the other side with my right arm under her head and I carried her north toward the walkway. I don't know how far I carried her before I fell down again. I couldn't pick her up anymore. So I pulled her by her hands. I couldn't hang on. So I tried to pull her by her forearms. My left hand wouldn't maintain its grip, and I noticed blood. On my shirt. I didn't know if the blood was mine, or APRIL's I grabbed April from behind under her arms and pulled her backwards, as far as I could I was tired, and dizzy, I was out of breath, and then sat April up and reached under her arms and grabbed the waistband of her pans, I pulled her this way for some distance down the beach. I kept looking for the walkway to the parking lot. When I saw the walkway pulled April up the beach the slope was steep. And I had to stop to rest several times after I got April to the walkway, I tried to pick her up by the arms, and lean her over the rails, so that I could put her on my shoulder. I just couldn't get her a pie enough. And I dropped her I was still dizzy, and I know I must have been shot a left April there and went back to the highway as soon as I reached the highway I saw headlights coming from the left south I stood at the edge of the road and tried to. Flag them down. The car didn't slowdown that I could tell another car came over the hill from the south almost immediately, I stood in the middle of their lane waved. My arm for them to stop. They slowed down and drove by me in the opposite lane. I crossed the highway and looked for my truck it was to the north I started towards my truck and saw headlights coming from the north. I stood in the road is the car approached. It slowed and tried to pass in the opposite lane. I moved over to the center lane, but the car didn't stop, I kept going to the truck, I opened the driver's door. I don't remember unlocking the door and looked in the driver door pocket for my mobile phone. It wasn't there. So I looked in the center, console and didn't find it there. I got out of the truck and open to the driver side, rear door looking for April Spurs where she normally keeps it behind the front seat in the floor. I expected to find her mobile phone in her purse, her purse wasn't there. I got back in the front seat inserted driving north as afraid that I was dying. I thought that if I passed out, I would die. I don't remember very much about the drive. I tried to drive as fast as I could. And I knew that I would find a policeman in Jack speech I saw traffic light on red and several cars. Stop at the light a yelled at one of the drivers to call the police I tried to tell people where April was, but I couldn't get them to understand me. There were a lot of people yelling at me and getting into the truck someone found APRIL's purse and dumped it out on the seat next to me on the passenger seat. He pulled out the driver's license and asked me if that was April I told him yes, and he laughed. I don't remember what happened next. I might have passed out. I remember being in an ambulance and then in a helicopter. Justin told a detective said he and April weren't having any kind of financial problems at the time of the shooting, and that they hadn't at all throughout their marriage. They both worked fulltime jobs. And both brought an good amount of money each month. He said, there was never any infidelity in the marriage either. And that their marriage was happy and normal, even though they were temporarily living apart. He said he and April had recently discussed her finishing her job training, the following January and then taking a job in Jacksonville to be closer to him. But as investigators started interviewing APRIL's family and friends. They were surprised to learn that April had been talking to them about her marriage to Justin. And what she had been saying directly contradicted with Justin was telling investigators. By early September. Investigators had interviewed APRIL's ex-boyfriend her father sister, cousin, aunt and numerous friends. They found out that there was a strain on April and Justin's relationship almost immediately after their wedding one month into their marriage APRIL's younger siblings, Julie Kenton came to live with them. Their mother had died when April was just in high school. And so she had been looking after them from a young age. But having the siblings, they're posed problems for April, and Justin and eventually, April made the difficult decision to send them back to live with other family members. It was a source subject for the couple and something that Justin allegedly held against April, and that wasn't all there was alleged infidelity and financial issues. And according to many who knew April she was ready to leave him. April's ex-boyfriend Wiley Davis told police that he had met up with April in early August. He said he asked her married life was going, and that she told him, it wasn't quite like has she had planned it. She told him that she thought Justin was cheating on her. And when he asked her why she thought that she said he had been playing tennis with another woman two or three times a week. And then he goes out at night, and stays out till three or four in the morning, and won't tell her where he is widely said that April was acting strange that night that he would pay her a compliment. And she would say, you don't know how long it spent since I've heard that she said, she couldn't remember the last time Justin had paid her a compliment. She told him that she and Justin we're falling out of love with each other, and that they both knew it, but neither one would admit it. She told him that Justin would never let her get a divorce that he had been married before. And that he didn't think it was morally right for them to get one. The detectives asked if April hit ever talked about her last intercessory with Justin. And he said, yes, she had told him. No flowers. No cards no dinner. No, nothing. She said it was kind of typical widely said he lasts talked to April few days before she died. She told him that she was fed up, and that she was ready to get the divorce papers then on that Friday, she left him a voicemail saying, she was on her way to Jacksonville. And she would call him on Monday. He never heard from her again after that. April's friends also told investigators that April complained to them about her marriage, one friend said that about a week before she died, April told her quote, I think I'm going to leave my husband, but I don't know how she said she suspected that he had been cheating on her, and that when she confronted him about it. He told her she was worrying for nothing and to stop being silly. When she tried to talk to him about how they were both unhappy and how they couldn't live like that anymore. He refused to talk about it and said he's not getting a divorce that he's not going through that again. April said that whenever she would go to see him in Jacksonville on the weekends. They would never hang out with anyone else whenever they got invited to things. Justin would never wanna go April thought it was odd that he constantly went out when she wasn't there. But wouldn't when she was another friend, Pamela Davis said that April was in town in Oklahoma for a wedding four months before her death. And during her visit she asked April, how life was going, and April said it was terrible that her marriage wasn't doing well, and that she suspected Justin of having an affair Pamela said she asked April of Justin was abusive to her I, if he was emotionally abusive and April said, yes, he was Pinilla then asked if he was physically abusive, and she said April started crying she asked April if she was afraid of him. And April said, yes, I am. She said there were a few times when he had grabbed a hold of her in through. Her against the wall and shoved her April had wanted to go to counseling, but Justin refused. Pamela said she was worried and asked April to please keep herself safe that it wasn't a safe situation. She recalled April promising her that she would. And that was the last time she spoke with her. April's best friend, amber Mitchell told the -tective said she spoke with April on August. Second is April was making the drive to Jacksonville to see Justin. She said, April was crying in that phone call saying that she was afraid just was having an affair, and that she didn't want to be in it anymore. She said she was ready to give him an ultimatum about leaving him and that she was ready to confront him. She said, they're aniversary was that weekend that she didn't buy him anything that she had told Justin. I hope you're not planning to celebrate because I'm not buying you anything. One of APRIL's cousins told detectives and on August twelve they went into shopping, and that April looked at one of the baby cribs and said, that's what she wants if she ever has kids, her cousin Astor, if she and just in, we're going to have any, an April said, Justin told her, he wouldn't have kids with her that he didn't want to commit to that. And that he was kind of selfish APRIL's cousin said that she jokingly told April that she needs to leave him and April responded. Yeah. I'm gonna April said that as soon as her training was done at work and January. She was going to leave him and move back to Oklahoma. She said it was over with her injust in that there was nothing that could keep them together. That she was sick. Trying. April's aunt told detectives that April unjust in did have financial problems. And that April talk to her about it a lot. She said April, told her that they were essentially broke and that they had a lot of payments. They were making two house payments were they both lived and two car payments. She said that in may two thousand to April told her that Justin was really upset because taxes hadn't been taken out of her paycheck at are job. And he had to file an extension few told her that they were going to go a lot of money in taxes. She said April, had even picked up a second job to help pay for things. She also told the detective said Justin had purchased an expensive Audi. And meanwhile, April was afraid that her car was going to break down on her. She said APRIL's car had been broken into and the dash ripped out but that she didn't have any money to get it fixed. Another one of APRIL's aunts. Patty perish also talked to detectives about the couple's finances, according to her April told her that Justin had wanted them to take out two million dollar life insurance policies on each other, and April Astor if it was weird that he was pushing for such large amounts. Petty said she told April that it was weird that, she didn't think they would qualify anyway, April, then called her the next day and told her not to say anything to Justin, that he would be curious if he found out. She had told her. Investigators looked into whether there was, in fact, an insurance, policy, and sure enough, there was two point three million dollars in policies to be exact. And then there was something else that fueled, the investigator's suspicions, the medical examiner had concluded that April had been incapacitated after being nearly drowned and then take into the boardwalk where she was shot. It was a conclusion that didn't match with Justin story. So now investigators were faced with a multitude of questions could just had been behind APRIL's murder. And if so, could he really have shot himself to try and cover it up? More on that right after this quick break from today's sponsors. 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In a deposition for the civil suit Justin, said that he had stopped paying the premiums APRIL's life insurance policy, and that he had no idea that it was still active at the time of her death. He said, April had even paid the last premium on it not him just an also admitted that there was infidelity in the marriage. He said he had joined an online dating site and admitted that he had a fares with five different women, but he said, April, never knew about them, and that they had a good relationship. Anyway. Two years went by with no arrests. In the case until finally a grand jury was convened. And quite surprisingly Justin testified before them in an attempt to clear his name before any charges were brought. He sat an answer their questions for nearly three hours and in his testimony, he maintained that he did not kill April shoot himself, quote, I did not murder, April, I did not kill her, and I didn't plan to, but none of the less the grand jury handed down in indictment, and Justin was arrested and charged with first degree murder right outside the grand jury room, if convicted he would be facing the death penalty. Before his trial was set to begin the judge ruled that certain statements made by APRIL's friends to investigators would not be admissible at trial, including how she had told one friend that she was going to leave Justin and moved to Oklahoma. And how another friend told investigators April said she had confronted him and that he knew she was going to divorce him, but even without those statements, prosecutors felt, they had a strong case Justin's trial started in June of two thousand six the court TV channel decided to air it live on TV. And so each day, the reporters would set up camp outside the courthouse to discuss these testimony. In their opening statement prosecutors told the jury that Justin had been cheating on April and had accrued a large amount of dead. They said he killed April, so he could get out of his marriage and collect her life insurance money. The defendant had no less than four affairs during his marriage. Assistant state's attorney Chris France told the jurors he said the evidence shows that he was living the life of a single man. He said that Justin planned the murder, and that he shot April on that beach. He called the assailant a phantom one that was never there and said that the evidence from the scene as well as Justin's behavior before, and afterwards will prove that he was the killer, he alleged that Justin held April underwater until she was unconscious, and then dragged her body up to the boardwalk, where he then shot and killed her as for Justin's injuries. He said they were so minor that the hospital sent him home after applying some antibiotic. Nick cream. Justin's attorney, Robert Willis told the jury in his opening statements, but not only were just fares with other women meaningless. But that he wasn't broke at all that he had a great job at a large company, and that his financial future was the last thing he was concerned about quote, he was a young man. Pretty clearly full of himself working for a fortune five hundred company, traveling internationally and not totally an attractive. He's not proud of it, but there's nothing he can do about it. Now, he said, the crime happened, just as Justin said it did that he and April went to the beach to have sucks and were attacked by a man who demanded money from them before opening fire. He noted that Justin was cooperative with investigators that he gave multiple interviews and even did a reenactment with them. He said he will call witnesses to the stand who will testify about seeing that other car parked near Justin's car at the. Time of the shooting that the car was gone by the time police got to the scene, and that investigators were unable to ever locate it. He said that tip almost when ignored because within hours. Investigators had already decided that Justin was guilty. The first witnesses called to the stand. The initial responding officers Lieutenant Benjamin Tanner, the Saint John's sheriff's office said he found APRIL's body on the boardwalk leading to the beach. He said she was unresponsive and you noticed white foam with red fluid around it on her face. Photos of her body were then shown to the jury April wearing jeans and a red shirt was lying on her back with her legs folded beneath her the lead detective in the case detective Howard, Cole told the court that he first became suspicious of Justin while he was interviewing him at the hospital. He said, Justin's description of the attacker was vague saying that it was too dark to really see the man's phase, and then a few days later, Justin volunteered a bit of information that he hadn't before he told them he may have grabbed the man's gun during the struggle in later interviews. He said Justin light about cheating on April detective Cole had directly asked him about a woman named Shannon, Kennedy and Justin replied that they were just friends, but he admitted that they had been sleeping together after detective Cole told him that they were questioning Shannon in another room, then after the interview just. And told him to ask Shannon if she would give him a ride home. Shannon said, no, he said, just an also made some other statements that were odd, for example, what he was asked why he had driven so far to get help nearly ten miles instead of stopping it, one of the many houses he passed along the way, Justin remarked, that he didn't wanna get some old man out of bed. And although Justin said that he and April head over fifty thousand dollars in credit card debt. He denied that he had any financial issues. But regardless of his suspicions detective Cole said they still tried to verify and follow up on any leads that Justin gave them. They searched for the murder weapon, which was a twenty two caliber gun, but the dense vegetation, at the beach made that difficult. And so it was never recovered when asked if he knew of any other robberies that occurred in that same area. He said, no. The defense requested that the reenactment just did with investigators be played for the jury. And so it was in the reenactment video Justin can be seen crying and wiping away tears. He recounted how he came across APRIL's body floating face down in the water. He also cried when recounting how he tried, but he was unable to carry her to their car. And so we had to leave her on the beach while he went to get hell. On cross examination Justin's attorney, Robert Willis, ask detective Cole about witnesses who saw just an April together that night detective Cole told the jury that a mother and her son were driving on the highway at about ten thirty near the area of Guana park and saw just an April walking hand in hand on the side of the road, Willis, then accused detective Cole of quickly jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst about Justin's actions that night, he brought up how detective Cole was suspicious of how Justin drove that ten miles to get help and didn't bother stopping at any of the houses or businesses passed along the way. But detective Cole acknowledged that the houses just in past were mostly gated, and that the businesses, he passed were mostly closed at that time of night. But even so detective Cole said he doesn't think anyone could accept the Justin left his wife on the beach and drove that far to get help. It's inconceivable. He said Willis, then asked him how that makes any sense with the prosecution's theory that just Senate preplanned APRIL's murder for at least six months detective Cole responded that something went terribly wrong, and although he had a plan. He must have gone off script and was panicking. Shannon. Kennedy, the woman with whom just in was having an affair took the stand, and testified that she and Justin met in the summer of two thousand two just weeks before April staff, she said, they dated for about three weeks, and that she initially didn't know he was married, when he told her, he said the receipt problems in his marriage. He said that he loved April, but that he just couldn't live with her. In mid August shortly before the murder. She said she was over at Justin's condo and saw him. Hanging up photos of April. He told her that it was only temporary that family members were coming into town, so he needed to put the pictures up to make it look like they were happy. She said, just an invited her to go on two separate trips with him during this time to California and to Georgia, but that she turned him down. After April died. She only saw just in two more times one of those times he came to visit her at her job after he got out of the hospital. She was asked what he looked like when he came, and she said, not good that he was crying in looked like a rack he told her that he had tried to save April, but couldn't then a couple months later, he came by, again, this time with a gift for her maple syrup, but she had an also told the jury that she and Justin weren't serious. She said, neither one of them wanted anything long-term that there was never any talk about being in love or anything like that. The state then presented testimony about the barber's finances. A forensic accountant took the stand and told the jury that Justin had lost thirty six thousand dollars to the stock market, and that he had over fifty thousand dollars in credit card debt. A life insurance agent, then told them that eleven months prior to the murder, Justin came into his office to purchase life insurance policies for himself and for April both policies were for two million dollars each. After he read about APRIL's death in the newspaper. The agent said he then call Justin and offered his condolences he offered to help him collect the two million dollars in insurance money and three weeks after the murder, Justin came back into his office to fill out the paperwork. But even so as of the trial, Justin still had received the money due to the civil suit filed by APRIL's family, including APRIL's aunt Patti perish. Petty also testified at his trial. She said she spoke to Justin, the day after the murder, he told her that he had been shot five times, and that he didn't know if April had been shot. She said she asked him if he had tried performing CPR on her, and he said, no. The prosecution also had some computer evidence to present to the jury evidence of Google searches that have been conducted on Justin's computer nowadays. This is a pretty standard part of an investigation that can be used against defendants trials something that most of us are pretty familiar with. But back in two thousand six when this trial took place. It wasn't that common and prosecutors were hoping that what the computer searches in this case would show just my surprise the jury. Christopher Henry forensic computer analyst, with the state crime laboratory testified, that he found two Google searches of interest that were conducted on Justin's laptop that he used for work, both within months of April murder on April fourteenth cheat to Justin entered the following search terms into Google, quote, trauma cases, gunshot right chest. Then a few days later and February twentieth. He searched quote, medical trauma gunshot chest. Henry testified that there was also a search on July nineteenth two thousand two for Florida divorce this search was partially deleted, then on August seventeenth two thousand two just hours before April was murdered and shortly before they went out to dinner Justin downloaded some songs to his home. Shooter. One of the songs was used to love her by guns and roses, which was actually in the deleted files in his hard drive. The song celerity were displayed on a large poster board for the jury lyrics that included the phrase I used to love her, but I had to kill her. Uncrossed examination. Henry told the jury that there were twenty two hundred total Google searches on Justin's computer, but that the ones he testified about where the only ones that were considered to be relevant to the case. He agreed that he couldn't tell what was being looked at on the computer either before or after the searches as for the downloaded songs Henry, acknowledged that he couldn't tell if Justin had actually listened to the song he could only say that it had been downloaded. He also told the jury that the song was just one of seventeen hundred songs and Justin's hard drive, and that sixteen of those had been downloaded on the day of the murder, including November, rain, another guns and roses song. Other songs included ones by the rascal flats, and the pointer sisters on redirect. However, he said used to love, her was the only song that he could definitively say had been deleted after the murder. The deposition that Justin gave for his civil case against APRIL's family was played in court. We're just in said he doesn't recall making any of those computer searches. He also talked about his marriage to April and said, they didn't have children because they weren't ready when asked if he ever told anyone that he refused to have children with her. He said he didn't recall. He said they had a normal marriage with normal ups and downs when asked for an example of an up. He said we were in love when the attorney asked, what other ups, they had just and said, I don't recall specifically. Regarding the day of April staff, he said he vaguely remembers it, but that he does remember that they had sex during the day, which was not something they usually did other than that. He said, he couldn't recall what they talked about or did. But he was adamant that April did not end things with him that she never told him. She wanted out of the marriage. He insisted that they had a nice evening when she drove up on Friday, and that they were preparing to go out on Saturday night and celebration of their injury. Then the state focused on blood evidence, DNA expert, Dale Gilmore testified that there were forty six bloodstains found APRIL's pans, and that thirty six of them were female blood, the remaining ten he said, could have been male, although they weren't good enough quality for DNA extraction, and typing on cross examination Willis told Gilmore that APRIL's pants had been left on our body while it was stored at the morgue for days before being autopsied. He asked for Gilmour's reaction to that sort of handling of the evidence and Gilmore agreed. That's a very poor way to handle your evidence. He said. Paramedic. Susan Brown responded to Justin's SUV the night of the shooting and testified that he had minimal bleeding. He was then airlifted to a local trauma center, where he was treated by Dr tapes, Dr Tapeh, testified that Justin was conscious alert, and able to answer all of their questions. He noted that Justin's most significant injury. Was that to his chest below his right nipple? There was also a second wound that was of concern, and that was near his neck, then there was a wound on his left shoulder and to either side of the palm of his left hand, but the wounds themselves were minor. He said, they just had to be kept clean, so they could heal. Uncrossed examination. He said the wounds could have caused Justin significant amount of pain that could have led to a loss of consciousness. Robert Willis, then brought up the fact that Justin had been interviewed by a psychologist while at the hospital and that the psychologists had described him as distraught about his wife stuff and said he was experiencing guilt, about his decision to leave her and go for help. But the state's star witnesses were in the form of forensic. Experts a medical examiner and is specialist in crime scene, reconstruction, the pathologist who performed APRIL's autopsy, Dr Terence Steiner testified that on the night. She was killed April had been wearing a sleeveless pink shirt. Pans underwear, and was barefoot. He testified that April had white foam right near her mouth, which he said indicated that she I suffered a near drowning episode. He said, April was then dragged to the boardwalk and shot in the cheek where she died within minutes. He told the jury that she was not moved after that, that in a photo of April face that was shown to the jury, you can see liquid and dried blood coming from both nostrils down unto the left side of her face that bolstered the prosecution's theory that she had been shot at the boardwalk, where she lay April also had abrasions or. Cuts on her left arm. He said those occurred while she was alive because there was blood oozing out of them. He said, she likely got the cuts from rubbing up against shells that had lined the beach where she was killed as a result from being held down and struggling. He said, when April was shot, the bullet had gone into her left, cheekbone through both sinuses and then embedded itself on the first. Cervical vertebrae. On cross examination, Robert Willis pushed back. He brought out an enlarged version of the photograph with blood on one side of April face. He has to doctor Steiner new win that photo had been taken. And he said, no Willis told him that it was actually taken about three hours after the shooting Willis, then pointed out additional abrasions on April body and asked if April had been pulled under her arms dragged across the beach as the prosecution alleged, would he agree that, that would not account for the injuries found on her and doctor Steiner said he agreed. Willis? Also questioned doctor Steiner on blood that was found on the center back and bottom of Justin's shirt, but that was determined to have been APRIL's Willis asked. If that blood was proof that Justin was telling the truth about trying to pull April up over his shoulder to carry her. And Dr signer said he could not say for sure how that got there. Willis pointed out, that there was also Justin's blood found underneath APRIL's armpits that suggested he really did try to drag her up the beach, and perhaps, in what might be considered a big point for the defense. Although doctor Steiner testified that April had suffered a near drowning episode. He also said that the foam APRIL's cheek could be consistent. With April having died in the saltwater. Gerry Finley a crime scene reconstruction specialist testified that in Justin statements to police. He describes trying to drag April up the beach in a number of ways by grabbing her arms by trying to put her over his shoulder. And by dragging her by the pants to name, a few, but he agreed that the blood on April face the one depicted in that photo that was shown to the jury didn't jive with that he said the blood flow was consistent with their head going back hitting the sand and then staying in that same position quote. If the body had been moved that many times, the head would change positions at which time the blood flow would have changed positions when she fell and the blood started it was right there. She didn't move. And that wasn't the only inconsistency that Finley found with Justin statement and the evidence he said Justin was shot in the hand yet. His blood was not found on the waistband APRIL's pants meaning he couldn't have grabbed them to drag her up the beach as he described, but on cross examination when Robert Willis pointed out that Abel's blood was found on the bottom of Justin shirt and on his pants, which would then be consistent with Justin statement and not the prosecution's Finley said he couldn't explain that he also acknowledged that no blood was found on the boardwalk. According to the reporters covering the trial. They were a little surprised when after the day's testimony, the state, then rested their case. The defense started their case by calling one of the paramedics, I responded to the scene to the stand Bryan, herb testified, that he didn't see any blood APRIL's face as he was checking her vitals, Robert Willis held up the same photo of APRIL's face that prosecutors had shown to the jury earlier and asked if he saw any blood like that and herbs said, no Jason prior tourist from Tennessee testified that he and his wife were driving on the highway that night when they passed Justin's SUV and saw an old Chrysler sedan parked next to it a little bit later. The SUV passed them on the road, it was going at a high rate of speed and the hazard lights on it came to a stop at the median. And that's when they were flagged down by a man who told them the sky has been shot. Jason said his wife called nine one one, and that Justin was going in. Out of consciousness after help arrived Jason and his wife, drove back to where they had initially seen the SUV the other car was gone by that time. He said he testified that he was an off duty first responder. And so he to checked APRIL's vital signs when he came across her. He said he didn't see any blood on her face either. Jason's wife also took the stand and she described how Justin was acting when they first came across him. She said he was hyper ventilating was nervous and scared, and that he kept rocking back and forth, the defense, then called their own experts to the stand to counter the state's experts, including their own financial analyst their own medical examiner and their own crime scene Reconstructionist, their financial analysts testified that according to the life insurance records, April had filled out all of the paperwork associated with her policy, and that she even met with the Representative from the. Durance company at her home. He said that April owned the policy and had full control over it. Dr William sterner, testified, that he used to be the state medical examiner in Arkansas, and Rhode Island he told the jury that in his opinion, Justin's wounds from a single bullet that went through his palm and into his chest as Justin struggled with the shooter. He also countered, the state's expert who said that Justin's injuries were superficial, he said that Justin was lucky to have survived that the wound to his left shoulder at fractured a bone and the wound to the other shoulder narrowly missed a large artery. He said, Justin could have died if that artery was hit in his forty years of doing this. He said he had never seen anyone shoot themselves for times, like how the state was alleging as for the blood, APRIL's face. The blood prosecutors said was only on one side of her face. Dr sterner said that it was a re bleed or a secondary bleed. He also said he didn't think it was likely that April. Experienced near drowning episode. There was no water in her stomach, and her lungs didn't ways much he would expect them to. But on cross examination assistant state's attorney. Chris, France grilled, Dr sterner about whether Justin's injuries could have been self inflicted and actor sterner said, yes, they could. Alexander Jason was the defenses crime scene analyst was a private consultant from California. He testified that the bullet holes and Justin's shirt didn't line up with the wounds on his body. And he said that was consistent with his shirt being tugged on during a struggle. He also said there was gunshot residue on Justin's palm, and on his shoulder and arm, but not on the chest wound that meant that Justin's hand was a barrier between the gun and his chest. He said. In his closing argument assistant state's attorney, Matt Foxman told the jury that the evidence they presented proves that just took a twenty two caliber pistol pointed it right at his wife's face and pulled the trigger. He said, in order for the jury to find Justin guilty of first degree murder in the state of Florida. They must find that one April. Barber is dead, too, that the death was caused by criminal act of Justin barber and three. There was a premeditated killing. He told them to look at the blood flow and said that blood flow follows gravity. He said Justin claims that he picks her up out of the water manages to go just a very short distance that attempts to carry her in a multitude of ways. But it's a limp body. He said and imagine the ways that her head would be moving and bleeding from that gunshot. He told the jury to look at that photo of APRIL's face and said. She was shot where she was found at the boardwalk, not the waterline. Foxman then focused on the blood transfer. And how some of Justin's blood was on April in some of APRIL's blood was on him. All that proves is that he was present when she died, he said, pointing out that any transfer of blood from April to Justin could have been from those cuts on her arm. While he carried her from the water to the boardwalk before shooting, her Justin's blood was found on APRIL's right? Wrist, and upper left arm. But Foxman said that perhaps it was from him checking her pulse, and trying to pick her up to get her into the car if Justin had dragged April by the waistband with his thumbs tucked in as he said in his deposition his hand that was shot would have bled. There would be blood in her waistband. But there wasn't just an also claimed in the position that he looked in the back seat of his SUV for APRIL's purse with her cell phone inside. But Foxman said there was no blood in the backseat yet there was blood in the drivers. Heat. We're Justin sat as he drove. Foxman also said there was no physical evidence of third person with just an April that night at the beach. I mean think about that. He said the defendants engaged in this struggle for his life yet. No hair skin, or DNA is found of third party. He said, Justin drove so far to find help because he wanted to put time and distance between himself and the crime scene. He wanted to let the tide come up and to raise some evidence. He said he also had to drive away. So he could get rid of the gun. He said that even though Shannon had testified that their relationship was casual. It wasn't casual to Justin. He pointed to the fact that Justin had invited her onto trips before April died. And that one of the first things he did after getting out of the hospital was to go see her at her work. He said he insisted on seeing her, and that when he found out that she was at the police station talking to detectives he even asked if she would give him a ride home. He also pointed out that Justin needed the insurance money that he was in debt. He told the jury that Justin saying in his deposition that he thought the insurance policy had lapsed doesn't make sense, because they had only purchased it eleven months prior he said April, had paid the last premium on it, but the Justin had likely planted that way. So wouldn't look suspicious. And so he could claim that he thought it had lapsed. The old adage is true. Even if it's corny the defendant has two million reasons to commit this crime. He said. He also referenced the computer searches found unjustice computer now. I ask you rhetorically. What are the odds of somebody, researching gunshot wound to the right chest, getting a gunshot wound to the right chest, six months later, those odds, just don't exist? He said he also pointed out that Justin deleted the search one day before he gave his computer to investigators. He asked the jury to find Justin guilty in his closing arguments. Justin's attorney, Robert Willis said, the state's case was a purely circumstantial evidence case he said, there was no gun recovered that there was no evidence that Justin had ever possessed the type of gun that was used in the murder. He said there were no witnesses that pointed to Justin as the killer, no evidence that he fired a gun that evening at all and no evidence to support the state's theory that he shot himself for times. He said this. Data's saying that Justin planned the murder back in February of that year. And that they're putting forward to possible motives, one adultery, and the other money he put up on the screen and analysis that was done, and the barber's income from when they were approved for the insurance policy. It shows APRIL's income as seventy three thousand dollars a year, and Justin's as one hundred five thousand dollars a year. He said, quote, Mr. Barbour had an MBA from Oklahoma university. Mr. Barbour is thirty years of age, and Mr. Barbour is making a hundred and five thousand dollars a year with all of his future ahead of him with a fortune five hundred company, two million dollars is not the motive for Justin barber. Certainly not the motive to kill your own wife. He said Justin's account that he only heard one shot has remained consistent, and that, if he had planned out his story, a head of time, why would he only say heard one shot when he was shot for? Times. He said, the reason is because when people are under stress like that their senses are not acute. He said, another fact is that April was wet when she was found on the boardwalk, and that there were drag marks found on the beach. He said, the abrasions APRIL's body were tiny and that there was nothing to suggest that she had been in any kind of struggle for her life. He said, all the facts fit in with what Justin says, happened he questioned why if as the state said Justin held, April underwater why he would not simply continue drowning her if murdering her was his intent. He said, all he would have to do is drown her and push her out into the water. Why would you get involved in drowning period? Why would you get in the water at all? If murder was in his heart by Whitney just shoot her. He asked he said it doesn't make any sense. He also asked by Justin would then bring her out of the water and dragged her all the way across the beach to the point that's closest to the highway. Way for anybody who's coming to the beach would see him and then shoot her now that doesn't make any sense at all. He said, especially since the government is trying to tell you that he had been planning this, since at least February two thousand two he suggested that it was a robbery gone bad that have just an planted to make it look like a robbery. He would have taken something for April, he would have at least, removed, the ring from her finger, he then slammed the way the evidence in the case was handled. He said there was likely more blood from Justin on April shirt, but that evidence was destroyed. While her body was lying at the morgue for days. They can't tell you. It's not there. He said, and as for the prosecutors saying that the blood on APRIL's clothing, doesn't match Justin statement about how he tried carrying her several different ways. He said it's possible that Justin simply made a mistake, quote, is it just possible that a guy who's been shot? Four times been drinking and his wife has been murdered. In front of him. Is it possible that he's not very precise as to exactly how he carried her coming up that beach? He also said that Justin's wounds were not bleeding very much as the prosecution had suggested he acknowledged the search is on Justin's computer do, look odd. But he said, the evidence is not conclusive that Justin even made those searches himself, but assuming he did he said, the experts couldn't tell what had been looked at before or after the searches he speculated that maybe just in sauce, something, unseen, aside the night before a read something in an article that triggered his mind to go there. He also pointed out that there were no searches for shooting yourself in the hand or anywhere else other than the chest. He asked why he wouldn't research the rest of it. If that's what he was planning on doing. We don't have context, he said as for the songs he suggested April may have been the one who downloaded them that there were songs downloaded at that same time. Sixteen in all the didn't have anything to do with anything as for why that song was deleted. He said it wouldn't shock him. Justin founded on his computer and thought this isn't something I want to be here before he turned the computer over to the police. If it was the premeditated crime, the government suggests he asked would he have downloaded a song like that. But those kinds of lyrics the afternoon before would he give the police his computer without requiring a search warrant, he said he can't be sure that the driver of the car, the prior saw carried the murderer, but that no one else can be sure either because nobody pursued it he said, it'd be on the lookout or bolo wasn't even issued for that car until two days later, he then closed out by asking a number of questions. Why would he drive ten miles, why shoot himself in areas where he could die? Why drag her up the boardwalk to be closer to where she could be discovered? Why not steal some? Something though, her ring in the ocean. And say they took my wife's diamond ring. Why not bring his own phone, and call the police that man is not guilty of this crime? He said. The jury, which consisted of six men and six women deliberated for about forty hours before reaching their verdict. And circuit court sound to dishes. Certain Infosec just have on staff. On our suggested. Mertens offer case them zero four seventeen forty eight SIA verdict. We did your undefended Justice merges fog wrote, as follows guilty of first Repreentative as charged in. Guilty of first degree murder during the sentencing phase, Justin's attorney, rather surprisingly, didn't introduce any witnesses to plead on just behalf instead Robert Willis told the jury that they had convicted innocent man as he explained why. No witnesses were called quote. He will not put his family through that he will not do that in an effort to seek mercy for crime. He did not commit. He then said, I don't know how you got where you are. Apparently you have found every sinister inference. There is. The jury then returned recommendation for the death penalty by an eight to four vote, but it would ultimately be up to the judge to decide whether to take that recommendation. After Justin's conviction, and before he was sentenced is attorneys filed a motion requesting to interview the jurors they were concerned that they may have been affected by the former prosecutor in the case, appearing multiple times on court TV during the trial. They stated that she had made statements about the case on June fourteenth June twentieth, and June twenty-first. The jurors were not success tred until the afternoon of the twenty first and they had their cell phones on them and could contact people outside. Well, they didn't have any specific information as to what the jurors may have heard the stated that due to the massive publicity. They were suspicious that had happened. Not only was the trial aired on court TV, but it was also on the front page of the local newspaper each day as well as on the local news stations they're motion, however was denied. In the states sentencing, memorandum, the state wrote that Justin had held April underwater until she became unconscious before shooting her, they argued that this was an aggravating factor deserving of the death penalty. But at Justin sentencing hearing on September sixteenth, two thousand six judge headstrong disagreed. In fact, he said that the states of it in was actually consistent with the defense's theory of the case that April had been shot by the water's, edge, and not on the boardwalk vote, while the medical examiner favors the shot where she Leith eerie his testimony acknowledges, the white foam findings are consistent with the victim being shot at the water's edge. I then falling into the water, then being dragged to the boardwalk and left also there is no evidence that the abrasions were caused by a near drowning episode only speculation he concluded that the state didn't prove the aggravating factors beyond a reasonable doubt. He then rejected the jury's recommendation for the death penalty and sentenced Justin to life in prison without parole. In may two thousand twelve Justin requested a new trial on the basis of any council that he wasn't properly represented. He accused his attorney, Robert Willis of the following he said Willis didn't use photographic evidence of the crime scene. That would have helped his case, he said, Willis insisted on taking the case to trial, even though Justin would have taken a plea deal. He said Willis failed to investigate the alibi, a convicted rapist from the area and failed to present him as an alternate suspect. He said Willis failed to pull the jury about the effect the publicity had on them before. And during the trial, he said, Willis fail to challenge testimony from the lead detective when the detective testified that there had been no similar attacks on that beach. And he said Willis didn't object to the fact that the jurors had access to their mobile phones instead of being fully. Sa- questors. Heard. But Justin's request was denied and to this day he remains behind bars. And that's all for today's episode add love to know what you think about this case, do you think Justin murdered a foam? Or do you think that it was a robbery gone? Wrong. Let me know by sending me an Email at podcast at court junkie dot com by messaging me on Instagram at court junkie or by tweeting me at court junkie, pod, as always if you wanna hear these episodes early ad free. Please consider going to court junkie dot com slash support, which will redirect you to my Petri on page where you can donate as little as a dollar month and get access to early ad free episodes. 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Ep 107: Michelle Martinko - Forever 18
"Over the course of the next two weeks or so. You're going to go on a journey back in time. The evidence in this case will take to the year nineteen seventy-nine specifically six days before Christmas summer. Nineteen nineteen seventy nine show. Marchenko was a girl out on the town in nineteen seventy nine eighteen year old. Michelle Martin was in her senior year at Kennedy High School in Cedar Rapids Iowa and on December nineteenth. She was headed to a Christmas banquet for her school concert choir at a local hotel she had the adorable little rabbit fur coat and she do her era blue. What I refer to as the fair Faucet flip and she to her hair makeup and You know we're pretty dress. And that's very typical of how she dressed up if she was going home. Michelle left the banquet and headed to the West Stale Mall to pick up a coat. Her mother put on layaway for her when she got there she ran into a group of fellow students who had also just left. Think about the time that we did come out of the store a friend of hers and a friend of his they we read. We did run into them out of the mall. Michelle had been spotted by her ex boyfriend. Andy sidell Andy says he thought Michelle was at her choir banquet so he thought it was the perfect time to buy her Christmas present for Awhile. Marina went down on remember. We went downstairs. I think there was an escalator. There I don't remember which route we took. It just went went down towards it. Hey wasn't expecting to see a here. I'm going to go back up and go get your gift. Please don't follow me. She agreed and told Andy She'd give him a call later that night. Michelle then ran into another friend. Curtis Thomas who was working at a clothing store. He took is break with Michelle and they went to get a bite to eat upstairs at the food court but the two ended up talking for too long and he had to get back to his job but Michelle said she was going to leave and so we walked past the store and we kept walking and we turned to the first exit. Pass my store and we walked up to the door and she said she was going to go and I said I had to go but we were lucky we were talking. My don't be a stranger. You Know Michelle bundled up and headed out. Another schoolmate saw Michelle coming out of the exit from the mall and going towards the parking lot. She said she saw Michelle carrying packages in a bag appearing to be in a hurry other people came out at that same time but. Michelle was by herself an employee who is closing down. One of the stores noticed Michelle's car still in the parking lot sometime between ten thirty and eleven PM. There were few cars left so it seemed out of place around this time. Michelle's mother frantically called her friend. Jane she asked me if I knew where Michelle was. Well I asked me of. Michelle is with me and divide now. Michelle was would I have any idea or Michelle would be. Jane didn't know it was a school night and she had gone home early to work on our homework. Michelle's mother called police at two. Am to report. Her daughter. Missing around four am Cedar Rapids Police Officer James. Kincaid phoned her gold seventy two buick four door in the mall. Parking lot with the rear driver's side door unlocked dispatchers instructed. Him to open the door was she was sludge down the door. Several stab wounds on her chest and Remember seeing laceration on her Chin and she was no signs of life twos. Obviously Dad the officer then radioed for backup. Michelle's body was laying inside of her car. Curled into the passenger side seat floorboard stabbed multiple times and bloodied from her wounds. Crime scene investigators collected evidence. They preserved it not knowing. If anything of value could be found the case would remain open for the next thirty. Nine years you will hear that the advancements into science breathed new life into the investigation and provide a glimmer of hope for the investigators that the answers they sought may lie in the eyes of physical evidence still remaining from the nineteen seventy-nine crime scene those advances included the capability to test for DNA in bloodstains found Michelle's black dress and on the gearshift selector in her car. New leads and developments in technology led investigators in two thousand eighteen to a pizza joint. Forty five minutes down the road from the West Stale Mall there. They found themselves sitting in a booth staring directly at the possible assailant. That suspect got up and left afterwards. Investigators took a straw from the glass. The target had left behind. The evidence will show the comparison of the DNA that was able to be obtained from the Straw. Used by the defendant in the suspect male DNA profile from Michelle's dress revealed an outstanding development for the first time in the investigation of any suspects. A defendant could not be eliminated as a major contributor to this profile. Who was sitting across from the officers at that pizza parlor. Was it someone? Michelle knew someone. She cared about someone she trusted or was it a random individual were after thirty nine years. Her family friends and the police finally had the answers to the questions that had evaded them for so long. Michelle Marchinko forever eighteen. This is Jillian and you are listening to court junkie episode one. Oh seven Bambas makes the most comfortable socks in the history of feet. They have literally rethought every little detail of the socks. We wear to make them way more comfortable. I wear them practically every day. No joke and there is such a difference between these socks and any other ones. I used to wear in addition to being really cute. 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She had good attendance at work Her classmates enjoyed working with their. She'd have many close friends She was Good at studies and had planned to go to college She had talked about wanting to go to Iowa state and had a particular interest in interior design chain new Michelle since elementary school. And the two were on their highschools twirling squad together in their junior year they performed in the school's production of the Broadway Musical Pippin. Michelle had dated. Charles Andy sidell. Who was a year older? I don't know Andy. Well I know of Andy. Michelle dated him for quite a while. Which I think shows she. She tended to be loyal. The guys just is loyal to her friends. After Andy. Michelle David Michael Y WRECK. He also was a year older and the two knew each other from school and Choir. They split while Michael was in his first semester at Iowa state. Michelle Senior Year of high school was busy. She kept her days packed with choir practice the twirling squad and spending time with her friends in December nineteen seventy nine. She was getting ready for winter break. And the Christmas holiday her school's Choir held a banquet on December nineteenth. Michelle decided to dress up. She blew her hair out. Were Black Dress with heels and of course her CALICO rabbit fur coat. That was the envy of many. The banquet held at the Sheraton Hotel. In Cedar rapids served dinner and Dessert. It was a school night so at wrapped up at about seven thirty PM. Jane ran into Michelle as they were leaving. She asked Michelle for a ride home since they lived close to each other. Michelle said she wanted to go to the mall to pick up a coat. Her mom put on layaway for her. Michelle invited Jane to go with her Jane a straight. A student had homework to do so. She passed on the ride. The West Stale Mall had opened just months before and it was the place to be in Cedar rapids before the holidays. Michelle ran into another student. Who had just left the banquet in the mall's parking lot while she was trying to find a parking spot about an hour later she ran into a group of guys inside the mall all that she knew from choir who had also come from banquet. Todd Tracy and Martin. They were waiting to go see a movie later that night Tracy drove in a limo and invited Michelle to go. See it with them. She said No. Michelle told them. She was having trouble figuring out which store a coat. Her mother put on layaway for her was in. She asked Martin for a dime to us at a payphone to call her parents. This was around eight forty five pm now. How was Michelle acting at the time? Just frustrated? I think tired She's seem like it's it was the end of the day for her and she was going to head home and I know she was going to try to contact. Your mother was shortly before nine o'clock and she wanted to get the coat before it closed while they were standing around. She spotted her ex boyfriend. Andy sidell Andy was nineteen years old and living at his parents house while he attended a community college in Marion Iowa. He had met Michele about three years prior while roller skating. Michelle had seen him struggling and offered to help him later. They went out for pizza. She was very outgoing. She was the kind of person that would never afraid to talk to a stranger. she was always willing to help anyone That needed help I mean I. It's it's hard to characterise someone as good and and his puree. She was in terms of how she would treat others. He said they joked around and would read passages from the Bible together. They reached a crossroads when they realized they were growing apart into adulthood. Andy says they dated for a while but agreed to remain friends. Anti brought his friend. Murray to the mall with him to buy Michelle's present they entered in through the upper level and out of the corner of Andy's I he spotted Michelle's blond hair and rabbit fur coat on the lower level. So did you expect to run into her at the mall. I did not expect to run into them all. Did you know what kind of gift you're going to get her? I did she Wanted I guess back in the late. Seventies these lights that had the fiber optic things on the end. That changed color. That's what she wanted. I mean that sounds like a lava lamp or something right under no. It was kind of new stuff that was out because she was kind of again. Kind of a trendy person and that was kind of a trendy thing to have was this light Indian. Murray went down the escalator to talk to Michelle. They noticed Michelle had been standing with a couple of people by the time they reached her. Those people were gone. Andy said Hi and told her they were there for him to buy her a Christmas present and asked her not to follow them. Michelle asked if it would be okay if she calls him later that night. Andy said sure why not anti went back. Upstairs to buy the FIBER OPTIC LIGHT. Michelle next ran into her friend. Curtis Thomas he says Michelle was smiling as she walked up to him. He answered to wait just a minute because at the same time someone walked into the store that he was working at the customer came into the store right at that time and Michelle had walked over to the right side of the store and she was standing there waiting for me and I walked up. I dealt with that customer real quick I was worried that I hadn't locked up the coats. There is a coat rack there that had leather coats on it and there was a cable that went through them and I waited on somebody and the entire time. I'm standing there thinking. I didn't lock the coats out or did I lock the coats up and I remember at one point. Michelle thought it was looking at her and I'm thinking is this guy standing there going to run from one of the goats. He realized the guy wasn't doing anything he then locked up the coats and walked off with Michelle to take his break. They stopped at the Orange Julius to get a bite to eat. He asked her about a guy she had been seeing. She said she hadn't been dating him anymore and dated someone else but he wasn't much better. He said she didn't seem bothered by either of them. Curtis told Michelle. He had to get back to his job. They went downstairs into the side of the mall where his store was. It was very busy by this point. Michelle said she was going to leave. They turned to the exit and told each other not to be a stranger. Curtis said goodbye and Michelle left. By this time the mall was about to close. It stayed open until ten pm an hour later for the holidays one of Michelle's classmates who was also working at the mall was standing just outside the exit smoking a cigarette. She saw Michelle. Come out of the door with a group of people but she couldn't tell if Michelle was with any of them she then watched Michelle walk toward the parking lot with a bag of packages. The classmate put out her cigarette and went back inside the mall. That's the last time anyone has been known to have seen Michelle alive after leaving the mall and Ian Murray went to a strip club. Andy said that turned out to be a dud so they stopped at a tavern for a beer. India dropped Murray off at home and then went back to his own house for the night at some point in the evening Michelle's mom called Call my parents home and wanted to know if I heard anything from her. And that's why I said no I hadn't heard anything. And this should now kind of exceeded that threshold time line. When she said she was gonNA call me. She didn't gonNA call. She isn't going to call it. I had no concern at that point until her mom called me at around midnight. Machel's mom called him again this time he could tell her. Mom was very upset and worried that something wasn't right. Andy offered to drive around to look for Michelle. His mom offered to ride with him as a second set of eyes he checked at a local bar. He knew some kids hung out at but didn't find her there. He looked for her for about an hour before returning home. Without finding her Michelle's mother contacted the Cedar Rapids Police Department to report her daughter missing around. Two A M dispatchers. Put out a call to locate her officer. Can Kate was sent to the West Stale Mall at four? Am It was a cold and windy night? The windshield of Michelle's. Buick had frosted over officer. Can Kate walked around it a nudist? All of the doors were locked except he could see that the Knob to the rear driver's side door was up he looked inside to find Michelle dead. Her body bloodied with stab wounds. He calls for backup and crime scene investigator. Dick White started to look for evidence. The first thing we noticed was Michelle's car was parked slightly askew it was out of line with the parking spot. He went in through the back door and found a brown shopping bag in the back seat of the vehicle on the floor then in the front right side he found Michelle. Michelle Spotty was in the seated position on the floor of the front passenger seat her but was on the floor. Her legs were facing towards the steering wheel and her knees were under the Dash. Her upper torso was leaning back over the bottom part of the seat and her head against the door. She was wearing her fur coat. A black dress high heels and pantyhose. Her purse was found on the seat underneath her body. Blood was sprayed throughout the inside of the car. And onto the DASH windshield visors and steering wheel on the steering wheel investigators found fibers from her rabbit fur coat they also found for almost all of the controls the gear shift lever the turn signals and the light switches white used a piece of tape to lift a sample of blood found on the gearshift while looking for possible fingerprints he found. Zigzag Chevron Pattern. This pattern was found on the door. Handles the steering wheel gearshift the keys and the light switch is he spoke with detectives and they all agreed. Looked like a glove print. I went to the store. Purchase SPARE LOVES THE SIMILAR PATTERN TO BEG to the station. Aimed to like you was a fingerprint. And it Mitch. The princess by mean the car. He said. The glove print matched household dishwashing gloves or ones typically found in the kitchen. He also found blood in zigzag pattern in the gearshift. The outside driver's door handle had the same glove pattern on it but in dust rather than in blood. The person who kills Michelle was wearing the gloves prior to and during the assaults the glove pattern was found in blood on the steering wheel. Gearshift the lights and on the key in the ignition. Emt's removed Michelle's body from the vehicle and took her to the morgue. The vehicle was taken to the Cedar Rapids Police Department by Tow truck to be processed further at eight. Am forensic pathologist. Dr Richard Feistier performed an autopsy on Michelle's body. She had twenty nine sharp edge wounds or incised wounds over her body including her arms legs and hands. She had eleven stab wounds seven over her chest. Six of which went into her lungs and four elsewhere including her neck. The other wounds were defensive from being sliced with the knife. These were over her arms and hands. Her assailant apparently came down on top of her stabbing her repeatedly as Michelle. Put up her hands to fight back. Most of the wounds were horizontal and about one inch in length. The knife was said to be at least four to five inches long. It could have been a double edged knife or a knife. That's curved and comes to a point as it went in it created a wound and incised it. Michelle also had one laceration from a blow to her left scope. Her fatal wound was stabbed to the left side of her chest. It went from her front to her back and penetrated so deep it stabbed her a orga according to the medical examiner. Michelle bled to death. She lost about two thirds of her blood volume. She died on her back and reportedly had a pooling of blood or posterior levity. Dr Pfizer estimated that she died six to ten hours earlier many leads and many persons of interest but no identifiable suspects in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine law enforcement didn't have DNA testing as a tool nonetheless. The gear shift to blood. Scrapings and Michelle's dress were preserved Cedar rapids. Police never closed the case in nineteen ninety seven. Investigators sent the evidence to the Iowa. State Crime Lab. The lab developed a single source profile from bloodstain. On Michelle's stress. A mixed DNA profile was found in the gearshift selector scrapings in thousand and two those items were submitted a DNA analyst determine the source of the blood on the dress was Michelle but the samples on the gearshift were from multiple people a male and a female in two thousand five. The dressed was analyzed again by the same analyst. She found four more areas with blood. Three stains from Michelle. Another stain had a male profile when that could only match to one in one hundred billion individuals. The blood of this individual was also found to be consistent with the profile from gearshift scrapings. Douglas Larry Johnson was the lead investigator at the time and called it a major break in the case. Well it was a huge development. It was actually unexpected and it was really important for a number of reasons. First of all it confirm the same identity matched with the partial profiling the gearshift selector and the profile address was also in blood. So from that just confirmed my belief that the The killer stab Marsha Michelle to death. And and cut himself probably cut his hand and let his blood at the scene of two different locations. After twenty six years police finally had a profile of the suspect. Who Murdered Michelle? Investigators took samples for more than one hundred sixty persons of interest. Ex-boyfriends classmates family members all eliminated the DNA sample was run through the FBI's national database containing more than a million people still know hit so in two thousand sixteen a new lead investigator who was growing impatient by. The lack of leads. Hired a private lab to further analyze the sample para bon NANNA. Labs is a company based in Virginia that provides DNA pheno typing services for law enforcement organizations. The following is from a stipulation entered into court record. The Roots of the company are in bioinformatics by Ofer medics takes biological information like DNA and turns it into what a computer can read analyzes the data and produces a raw data file snapshot was the Forensic DNA analysis service that attempted to predict the physical appearance ancestry of an unknown person from their DNA. This is known as DNA pheno. Typing snapshot then produces a composite. Image Kinship analysis is used to help researchers better predict whether a certain individual or individuals are related to the submitted. Dna sample genetic genealogy used by Baraban involves taking the raw data from the original DNA pheno typing and uploading it into the public DNA database. Ged match this is done in order to find individuals in the ged match database that share similar DNA to a submitted DNA profile and have that data analyzed by genetic genealogists genetic genealogists then compare the amount of DNA. Two people share to determine their degree of relationship. Ged match was founded in two thousand ten as a free service to help people look for and identify perspective relatives by comparing to the uploaded sample more than one million users who have uploaded their genetic profiles. Genetic genealogists can use ged match to identify potential relatives of a submitted. Dna sample. The Cedar Rapids Police Department Employed Baraban to upload the raw data from the male DNA profile developed from the blood and Michelle. Martin does dress to ged. Match for Kinship Analysis and genetic genealogy on July nineteen two thousand eighteen parabak produced a report and provided it to the Cedar Rapids Police Department. The report directed investigators to investigate the descendants of four sets of identified great grandparents in a particular family tree investigator. Denlinger used as information to collect DNA samples from descendants of three branches of the Family Tree. And as a result the lead he received from. Baraban suggested that the investigation be directed towards one of three brothers. Donald Burns Kenneth Burns or Jerry Burns all for Manchester Iowa lead investigator. Denlinger and his team started surveilling. The brothers in order to covertly collect a discarded piece of DNA from each of them. I Kenneth Burns followed Kenneth around on one particular day in the fall of two thousand eighteen. He eventually went and had lunch at a golf course club clubhouse and we just we went into net lunch to decide a little ways away from him. We waited for him to finish his lunch. He was drinking out of a class. Had A straw As soon as he left we had someone out in the parking lot to confirm that he was leaving and then we just grabbed the straw investigators wearing rubber gloves. Put the straw into an evidence bag next they surveilled Donald Burns so from Donald Burns. We did a couple of different things number one. We just sat down the street from his house on the day we picked to do it. It happened to be trash day. So he stuck his trash out by the curb for the city to pick up We grabbed a bag of that through our trunk and then we also followed him around and and grabbed a glass from them later in the day that he had used but I believe they found the DNA off some of the items and discarded items. That is trash on October. Twenty ninth two thousand eighteen. They work to collect DNA from Jerry Burns. They watched as he went to get lunch at pizza ranch in Manchester Iowa. We parked to the pizzeria. Ge- Myself and investigator. Friedberg and JD. Smith went in and we sat in the booth next to them. He was with His son it's time to the investigators said on one side of the booth to watch Jerry Burns and his son at the next booth over. They watched as he used a straw to drink out of glass. As soon as he was finished eating he left with his son in their car. Denlinger took the glass and the straw was placed into a bag and brought back to the police station. Criminalist Michael Schmidt tested the Straw at the State Laboratory at this point. I'd had probably at least thirty people that I already eliminated as being a donor to the the stain on the dress When I came to this Straw I was making matches each the low side that we had results for I. It was just kind of unbelievable. You know that type of technology to get us to this point even existed. It seemed kind of science fiction to me and yet the results were right in front of him. He reported it as a significant break in the case but the DNA sample from the straw was not a strong one. He told investigators he could give them a better interpretation of the DNA. If a known sample from Jerry Burns was submitted on December nineteenth two thousand eighteen investigator Denlinger went to Jerry. Burns his office to interview him and to collect DNA from a buccal swab. This was the thirty ninth anniversary of Machel's murder. Hey Jerry my name's Matt Nice to me. Cedar Police Department this is Janey. I chat with you first second butter case for working on sure it was eleven forty five am Jerry. Burns was seated at his office desk. His Cat was walking across the desk. As investigators pulled up their chairs investigator. Denlinger had a covert camera hidden on his person to record audio and video. The audio was also transmitting to unit sitting nearby to listen in on the conversation Jerry Burns. His cat was in the center of the frame during the interview. We were in the cold case yet. Your Abbas Police Department and We're following the case. I don't know if you've heard in the news at all. It's a homicide to happen at West Mall Michelle Marchenko. That's you've ever heard of. Yeah Okay do you see the paper tonight? Time ago. Long Time Ago Investigator. Denlinger gave Burns his business card. He said he had been following up on the Martino murder case and Burns his name. Had come up earn says strange investigator. Denlinger showed Burns a copy of the composite image of the suspect. It was a white male with blond hair and blue green eyes investigator. Denlinger said people called the police saying Jerry Burns. Looks like that man of different look in the Mirror Mirror. I totally disagree with Burns. Said he heard about the case and the papers along time ago but that he never knew. Michelle in one thousand. Nine hundred. Seventy Nine Burns was a twenty five year old John. Deere salesman living in Manchester Iowa. He said he's never lived or worked in Cedar rapids he couldn't remember being in Cedar Rapids in nineteen seventy nine but he has been to the West Stale Mall. He used to go to the mall with his first wife and children. During the holidays they married in nineteen seventy five and she reportedly died by suicide in two thousand eight. Burns continue to look at the composite sketch and said he doesn't think he ever looked like the man in the photos but he would have been good looking if he did strange. Fisher's I thought I kinda think you do a little bit investigator. Denlinger showed Burns a search warrant for his DNA. He placed a Q. Tip INTO BURNS. His mouth in swabbed. It investigator deadlier told Burns. He's already knows the DNA will be a match. He asked him for an explanation for why his DNA would be at the crime scene. How would we get your DNA? The crime scene there Jerry tested see if it is known. Are we get? How would it be there jerry? What happened that night? Wait for the test to come back. I don't think it it did carry what happened that night just to see what happens. We're going to test this. We are burn said. It was impossible that he would have run into Michelle at the mall that night in nineteen seventy nine. He didn't accidentally get into the wrong car or said hide two young girl there. That wasn't his wife. He said no when asked if there was any conceivable way he could have sat down next to her at the Orange Julius and said Hi do you know what today is nineteenth of December f? Did you murder someone that Jerry just being Jerry. Test the beginning. Why did this happen? Jerry Dean what happened. I don't know you don't up there that night. You don't know why this happened. I was not there but we know better than that Jerry. You know better than that you know. I'm not lying you Jerry. You know for a fact. I'm not lying about that. Okay you know for a fact that I'm not lying about that. That's the one thing we all know. We don't know that we do well. I know the sewer line. You don't assume you believe you believe you believe what you believe. Burns continued to deny being there and said he just doesn't remember being there. His brother called him on the phone and then Burns asked the cops if they had been watching his brother too. They said yes. That's when the recording of the interview and did police arrested sixty three year old jerry burns on December nineteenth two thousand eighteen exactly thirty nine years after Michelle. Martine go was murdered. Burns was handcuffed and placed into the back of a police cruiser headed for the Cedar Rapids Police Department investigator. Denlinger set in the back seat next to him. Using notepad investigator denlinger read him his Miranda Rights. I gotTA assume you thought at some point this would catch up to you investigator. Doubling our said Burns didn't respond. Did you ever see me on the news? Doing the press conferences about Michelle Burns said no jerry. What happened that night? Burns responded by bringing up his cousin who disappeared in two thousand thirteen. He speculated that his cousin didn't have any money wasn't able to buy Christmas presents for his family and felt like he wasn't wanted by them. He mentioned his other cousin was a suspect in the disappearance. He said is missing. Cousin had a drinking problem and often took trips to Las Vegas. He figured he would have shown up by now. Investigator Denlinger said the thing he would really like to know is why Michelle's murder happened. Helped me understand what was going through your mind? He said earns responded. I don't recollect. Is it possible this happened? And you don't remember any of it. Burns said I don't know I'm sure something like that would be possible to block out investigator. Denlinger asked him to help him understand burns. Responded I don't know you don't know what was going through your mind. I don't know what's happening. I'm confused about everything. Burns was booked into the Linn County jail on a charge of first degree murder. He later appeared before a judge and was held in lieu of a five million dollar cash. Bond he pleaded not guilty on January. Twenty nine two thousand nineteen. Investigators combed through Burns is business computer on it. They found pornography searches for things. Such as strangulation beatings blonde haired women stabbing and sex with freshly dead persons burns hired Criminal Defense Attorney. Leon species who filed a motion to suppress this evidence speeds also requested to have Burns's DNA surpressed saying police illegally obtained his DNA from that drinking Straw. And he should have had a lawyer when police questioned him in his office. Prosecutors said he wasn't in custody at the time Burns claimed he didn't understand his rights and what his options were judge. Hoover Grind ruled that. The timing of the Internet activity conducted at least thirty eight years after Michelle's death and it's quote unduly prejudicial nature would diminish if not eliminate Jerry Burns right to due process and a fair trial the DNA evidence however would come in his defense team successfully argued to move the trial from Linn County Claiming Possible. Jurists have been exposed to quote pervasive and prejudicial pretrial publicity. Jerry Burns went to trial in February. Two Thousand Twenty at Scott County courthouse in Devonport Iowa. I Assistant Linn County Attorney Nick. Maybank's delivered opening statements on behalf of the state. The evidence will show instead of a murderer driven by greed retaliation or knowledge of a victim or a reason to kill the person this was a random act violence committed by a stranger. This will explain in. The evidence will show. This is why no connection was developed between the defendant Imas Marchenko this will explain why I took forty years and DNA to solve the evidence will show and this will explain why the defendant does not on the radar of law enforcement. The evidence will show and explain. This wasn't an ex wasn't a suitor wasn't anyone. She knew it was the random guy as a result. The evidence will explain why this crime was and still is chocking. Defense Attorney Leon Species told the jury not to be shocked by the fact that Jerry Burns. His DNA was found the crime scene. He explained to them how transfer DNA WORKS. He said another person's DNA can be picked up by simply shaking. Someone's hander by brushing up against them he said that those trails of DNA tell us what we are but they don't necessarily tell us who we are or where we've been but the evidence sauce going to show that at some stage. This investigation was diverted it to took a trail. We're going to demonstrate to you that we believe that the diversion of this trail led to investigators believing the Jerry Burns was a killer of Michelle Martin in fact when he was questioned in December of nineteen of two thousand eighteen on the anniversary of Michelle Martinez death. It should come as no surprise that he could not say where he was on that date in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine at a well. Travelled Mall a busy commercial area in Cedar Rapids Iowa in nineteen seventy nine. Jerry Burns was living in Manchester Iowa with his wife and two young children but according to the defense it should not come as a surprise that he was unable to identify exactly where he had been even though the jury would hear dramatic DNA testimony. He said that evidence is only as accurate as the integrity of the investigation consistency. And Care over the last forty years. He said it'll be important for the members of the jury to recognize what the DNA statistics mean and more importantly what they do not mean going to here in our expert'll demonstrates you an expert not only on genetic science and genetic investigation but also on crime scene investigation that the handling of the evidence the likelihood of the intersection of trails of complete strangers demonstrate that the trails do not inevitably lead to Jerry. Lynn Burns those divergent paths. 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The defense attempted to show possible holes in the investigation and leads that the police failed to follow up on they showed Andy. Sidell a copy of the transcript from an interview. He gave to officers in March nineteen eighty-one line five. Did you ever tell you that anyone was was ever watching her falling out a brooks where she was working? Yes a matter of fact she did. She mentioned that there was someone that had been watching her out. There she described. I said yes it was the guy was sorry. I just WanNa hear interposing objection for. He thinks further in the what the question that Mr spy's asked is hearsay at this time is past election recorded. Toronto injection will be overruled. You can proceed Okay Line. She said what The Guy was grotesquely ugly. Andy told investigators in Nineteen eighty-one that Michelle reported a grotesquely. Ugly man had been watching her four days before she died at the time. He said she did seem intensely bothered because she was quiet and didn't have a lot to say to him. She didn't mention this concern to him when they ran into each other at the mall. He said he also didn't think of it when he was driving around looking for her later that night. The defense asked Michelle's friend. Jane Hansen about what she knew about. Michelle's relationship with Andy. Will there soon to be some concern that he wasn't quite getting over the relationship a typical teenage teenage love and as for Michelle's other ex-boyfriend the one she more recently dated the two went to Prom together in April nineteen seventy-nine but when Michael y Rick went off to college at Iowa state in the fall. They drifted apart and agreed to be friends. He said he was away at college preparing for exams at the time of the murder. Mike through conversations Were you infirm? The there was a hair that was found in the vehicle that was traced to you. I didn't know until very recently but yes I do know. That's the case it. Does that surprise you at all surprised me at all? We spent a lot more time in my car than in her car. But we spent a Lotta time in cars. He said he had been in Michelle's car many times. The defense also asked about his earlier interview with police in Nineteen eighty-one as I read the interview. You described her as a terrible driver really bad. That could chew. It's been forty years. There's a lot of time to forget a lot of things. So would you knowledge that at least back then you characterize your as a really bad or terrible dry okay. Yeah I mean if I said that I'm sure I meant it back then I just don't remember okay. Things weren't always peaches and cream between the two of you. Were they know? I mean there were conflicts about other man who she was seeing created some confrontations between you and her yes prosecutor may banks followed up on redirect with one question bike Based upon your knowledge of Michelle around that time were you aware of any wine in her life that would Bush harm pon her or want to hurt her. In any way orally the defense sought to discredit police procedures from nineteen seventy-nine. That didn't necessarily meet today's standards. These included the first arriving officer. Not Wearing gloves. When he opened the door to Michelle's car and crime scene investigators packaging Michelle's dress and pantyhose together and they questioned the integrity of the investigation over the years when asking now retired lead investigator Doug Larisa about the two thousand five lab results attorney's fees asked him if he was told by the analyst that she couldn't determine whether the male DNA profile on the gearshift selector came from saliva mucus semen or skin cells. He agreed listen was also told that the blood type was type. A which is a common blood type. Further Larrson was told that there were too few low side from the mail profile for it to be submitted to Code S. They needed fifteen. And we're only able to extract eleven. Would you expect the suspect himself or herself? Cut himself or herself at the blood would be throughout the crime scene. It would depend on well in this case. It seemed that the suspect wearing gloves so to me it was apparent that the suspect cut through the glove and cut. His hand in glove probably contained a lot of the blood from his hand. He agreed that due to the violent nature of the attack he would expect that. Michelle's blood would be on the suspect. Prosecutor may banks followed up by asking about the sample from the gearshift analysts could only definitively say that the victim and suspect profiles were mixed together in blood. It could not be determined if the source was also saliva mucus or semen. Each one of the DNA profile points from the gearshift matched each of those from the complete DNA profile on the dress. Next up to the witness stand was the investigator who took over the case after detective Larson Man. You've been here the whole trial but we haven't heard from yet so I'm going to have introduce yourself to the jury in terms of you being a witness in this case. What is your current occupation? I am a police investigator with the city of Cedar Abbott Investigator. Matt Denlinger had been sitting next to the prosecution during the entire trial. He said he's been an investigator for sixteen years. He was assigned to the case in two thousand fifteen as Larry Johnson prepared to retire during the thirty nine years. The case was open. One hundred sixty one suspects were eliminated. One hundred and twenty of those were through collecting. Dna buccal swabs directly from them. The remainder were confirmed by running through quotas or records showing. They were in custody at the time of the murder. He explained that their current DNA sample came from the two thousand five testing. That's because in two thousand eight. There was a catastrophic flood in which the Cedar River filled the police departments basement evidence from the package containing the dress was sent to a disaster relief company to dry it out and make sure there was no mold on it. It was then sent back to the police. In June. Two Thousand Sixteen investigator. Denlinger went to retrieve the dress from the evidence room to send the dress to DNA labs international to try to get another sample from the suspect. The lab was unsuccessful in finding more DNA it was returned back to the police department. Michelle's black dress was then entered into evidence. At trial prosecutor May being placed a mannequin with the block dress on it between the tables for the prosecution and the defense where it sat for the remainder of the trial for the jury to look at investigator. Denlinger said he had the original. Dna samples sent to DNA labs international to do snapshot testing and to generate a composite photograph. He was able to generate new leads after holding a press conference displaying that composite but none of those were a match. He went to work. In April two thousand eighteen using kinship testing and genetic genealogy. He was given the report of four separate grandparents and their family trees. I started doing research on my own to find living relative three each each branch of the tree and as soon as would find one. I would collect. Dna from send it back to pair bond. I did that a couple of times and when I would send it back they would Explain Hey this individual that you found shares no DNA with your suspect Therefore you can eliminate that entire branch of the tree and move onto the next one. He worked to eliminate to by the time he hit the third branch he got a hit he was able to locate a woman named Janice Burns in August. Two thousand eighteen. She agreed to let him collect her DNA. It was sent to pair about Nanna. Labs Berbon hypothesized that based on the amount of DNA Janice shared with our suspect that are suspect was likely one of three brothers and then The names I mentioned Donald Jerry and Kenneth Burns what degree of relationship to pair of on Hypothesized that Ms Burns had with these brothers They said that based upon the amount of DNA that she shared with them that they were she was likely first cousins with the suspect. He then investigated the three brothers. Donald Burns Kenneth Burns and Jerry Burns on Cross. The defense took aim I with the sample itself. Tutor deniger throughout the course of your testimony. This morning you have referred to efforts in your investigation to obtain DNA specimens to compare against the DNA specimen of the suspect recall that yes and in fairness fewer obtaining DNA specimens to compare against the meal profile from the spot on the droughts identified as F. Five bright correct so this was a suspect not necessarily these suspect cracked. He said that in two thousand fifteen four additional cuttings from Michelle's dress were taken around the spot at five no DNA was found on those cuttings. The defense asked about other possible suspects. One was a violent offender who apparently confessed to a fellow inmate but his DNA was eliminated and he never confessed to police. Investigator Denlinger said. He took every lead seriously and investigated them fully. The events asked if he was able to locate the grotesquely ugly person. Michelle thought had been following her. No there is no name and no one had anything to follow specific to follow up on that. Do you know of any of Ms Martinez. Friends were asked about that worry. I don't know specifically I don't I don't know without reviewing all those reports again to see if they were specifically asked about that investigator. Denlinger noticed that Jerry Burns had been blinking lot during his interview at his business. The defense said this was because he has glaucoma and uses medicine in his eyes burns. Ran A powder coating business. Which painted metal and put a durable? Finish on it while you're asking about Scars on Mr Burns's hands. Explain those cars deal. He said he had lots of scars. And he didn't know where they all came from fact he told you about an accident and he had there. The business didn't he work whereas hand got smashed or cut by some equipment. Yes he did. Burns admitted during that interview to going Christmas shopping over the years at West Stale Mall. He said he didn't believe his. Dna was there however and had no recollection if he was there on the night in question on redirect investigator. Denlinger said he thought this was all a lie. Did he indicate to you? Specifically at any point in time that on December nineteenth nineteen seventy nine. He was Christmas shopping. A No as indicated by the questions you're asked by Mr Speeds to Jewish and other investigators Conduct what you could. As far as a comprehensive check of Mr Burns background we did in with that Pertained into referred to sometimes as some intelligence. Just figure out what was going on his life back then. Yes in through that. Were you able to develop any kind of Connection between him Michelle Marchenko. None a former cellmate of burns testified that he spoke to the defendant about the murder. I ask Jerry. Did you do the crime? And he said he couldn't talk about it. Michael Alison said Alison shared a cell with Burns starting in September. Two Thousand Nineteen. He's in jail on federal charges of conspiracy to distribute methamphetamine. He has also been previously convicted of fraud and bringing undocumented immigrants into the country ellison said he and Burns became close and that Burns would sometimes call him son. He said they would often play. Pinochle and talk quote he told me if I keep beating him in pea knuckle he was GonNa have to take me to the mall. Ellison said that on another occasion Burns mentioned that nobody was thinking about DNA back then. The prosecutors played a jailhouse video in which burns can be seen autographing of photo of himself in the newspaper for Allison on January eleventh. Two Thousand Twenty. The defense pointed out that this occurred just days after Ellison's own plea agreement was rejected by judge. The agreement would have sentenced him below federal mandatory minimum guidelines. Alison testified that. He's facing fifteen to twenty five years in prison attorney's fees asked if he was using his testimony as a bargaining chip. Alison said. He didn't have a cooperation deal. Speeds later pointed out. That allison was alone in the jail cell with the box containing Burns's discovery material. This date rested their case. And the defense again. There's they started by calling Dr Michael Spence a forensic DNA consultant. He reviewed the case file and he explained to the jury how trace amounts of DNA can be detected after direct and indirect contact. The defense asked him knowing that Michelle Marchinko attended a banquet at a hotel and was at a shopping mall in the night of her death. Would you expect to find other DNA on her clothing? I think I would expect to find a DNA from others on anybody's clothing As long as they've worn it for any amount of time and you can even have washed clothing clothing items that people have worn for. Let's say years and they're actually washed and dried and you test those for DNA and you can have a on those as well sometimes even the Washington Dry cleanings not gonNA remove all the DNA but if you're interacting with other people they're going to be instances such as the spittle that. I accidentally put on this microphone. Just talking to people you can get. Dna on their clothing from that doctor spent said DNA transfer events occur by touching other people if they talk around you if they leave DNA on an item and you come over and sit down next to it or on it. He said that based on scientific studies. He's read it's also possible to transfer DNA from items being bundled together. He noted that after the male DNA profile was located on the dress and gear shift in two thousand five. Investigators did not search other items in the car to see if those also contained male. Dna profiles the defense next asked about a tape lift from blood on the steering wheel versus of all as I understand there was a swabbing collected of that tape lift and the swabbing showed the positive blood tests similar to area five on the dress and so there was an indication of blood but the DNA. There was no DNA typing information that was interpreted will there with with Blind was present on that. Lift typically bowl. Dna of blood is an extremely rich source of DNA Within a single drop of blood you're going to have about four hundred thousand. Dna can containing cells So this is going to be very rich if if you have even one two thousand of a drop of blood if you can wrap your brain around. That didn't imagine that tiny amount that would still give you enough. Dna to get probably a full profile so it may have been that on that steering wheel tape lift. The blood might have been removed completely by the initial swab to do the presumptive tests. Has Accusers wanted to clear up? A key. Point of his testimony on cross examination. You have not gathered in your investigation. Any specific facts or any knowledge from the case file or from the proceedings. Show that a secondary transfer occurred from Jerry Burns. Dna to Michelle Martin. Go stress correct. No I have not And so you're not testified in this case that it's your opinion that the way Jerry Burns DNA got on. Her dress was through a secondary transfer. No I'm not testifying to that. The state called their own DNA expert. Paul Bush to refute the defense's case. Bush is a DNA analyst supervisor in the Iowa State Crime Laboratory he said that while it's possible for DNA to transfer from secondary source. He would need a scenario of that occurring to make any conclusion he said. It's more likely for a suspect. Dna to come onto the victim's clothing if there was a struggle and the assailant injured themselves. The judge prohibited him from giving his expert. Opinion as to how Jerry Burns. His blood was found on the items of evidence it could not be excluded if the DNA came from blood sweat saliva or semen ball based on the findings in this case. What is the most scientifically supported theory as to how a DNA profile consistent with that of Jerry Burns to a probability of less than one out of one hundred billion unrelated individuals would be expected to have the same profile? Found ADD F Five location that tested positive upon screening for the presence of blood. How that ended up on Michelle's dress. The defense objected to the form of this question but was overruled by the judge. The judge reminded the jury that they are the judges of the facts. It will be up to them to determine the facts of the case that they find credible in rendering a verdict. Bush said he used the information that the assailant likely cut himself. During the attack to form his opinion a likely explanation would be young that again that we had a single source. Excuse me a major male profile on that Staying five that a likely explanation would be that It would have come from blood again. I I want to reiterate that Our Laboratory did not test for any other biological fluids. In this case so did test for saliva did not test for skin cells which we can't anyhow do did not test for semen but Again based on the information that I have that would be a likely scenario as to how Mr Burns or a how that profile that match Mr Burns was detected on that stain? Five the state rested and preceded to closing arguments prosecutor. Nick Maybank's laid out how he believes. Jerry Burns attacked and killed Michelle Marchenko. He said he believes burns. Watched her leaving them all by herself and followed her. He put on gloves so as not to leave behind fingerprints. He said Burns would lament many years later that DNA wasn't a thing in nineteen seventy-nine Michelle got to her back door unlocked it and placed her shopping bag in the backseat drivers side. She got into the car and began to started unbeknownst to her. The killer was quickly approaching. He opened her car door leaving glove print on the handle. All of a sudden. The door opens the car. She sees a man there. The man attacks her strikes at the bottom of the handle of the knife in the head leaving a large bruise caused internal bleeding. She feels straight to her head and causes her back on the car seat. She's taken by surprise but she knows that she has to fight. Maybank's continued the assailants struggles. To hold her down on her back to get her to submit he realizes that she has seen him now. She continues to fight for her life her fear and terror intensifies but her adrenaline kicks in the attacker becomes more aggressive. He drives a knife into her chest. Not Once not twice but multiple times. He knows he must eliminate her. He has a wife a family and things he can't get caught. Her blood is flying everywhere. She's dying he realizes he has cut himself. He considers driving her vehicle to another location and starts the ignition. But he knows they'll be searching for her and can't be seen walking back to get his own car. He puts the car back into park and smears his DNA on the gearshift. When doing so he gets out of the front seat pushes the KNOB down locking it. The back door remains open. He leaves to go home to Manchester. And how is prosecutor? May being certain that Cherry Burns is the attacker Levin see one. Oem results could compared may being said there are four key facts for why the jury should find Burns guilty. I the defendants. Gna was found at two locations at the crime scene. Second the DNA found came from the defendant's blood third. The defendant bled from cutting himself when he repeatedly stabbed Michelle to death. He bled on her and smeared his own blood on the gearshift selector and forth. The defendant acted with deliberation premeditation. Specific intent to kill and malice of forethought. He said Jerry Burns learned to live with his decision but Michelle. Martino died from his decision. Defense attorney Leon speeds agreed that Michelle was targeted and that her assailant prepared and planned for the attack but he said Burns was not the attacker he said that once his DNA was found on the two pieces of evidence the case was diverted to a path that led to Jerry Burns but not be path. I we cannot conclude the Jerry Burns. His blood is the source of the DNA on address at spot at five on the gearshift. Selector item. I. It cannot be determined based on the testimony from his sour. From my Peterson from Mike Schmidt from Paul Bush Mike Spence for all agreement that it cannot be said that that is cheery. Burns's blood we also know how DNA arrived on f five or an item. I we know from what we've seen time and time again to the people that we touched the things that we touch the things that touches or transmitters of DNA all these expert witnesses said they cannot determine when DNA was arrived on the drought Roman shifter. They can't say how in the absence of those two big things. There's been a lack of failure of evidence produced by the prosecution. He said those two factors raise reasonable. Doubt any asked the jury to find to Jerry Burns not guilty and his rebuttal. Closing Arguments Prosecutor may bank disagreed that the investigation took a divergent turn. He said it followed one path and that led to the defendant. The DNA showed where Burns was not once but twice. Because you heard there's two sides every case you heard ours and having listened to the defense present their case I'm thinking of the old Wendy's commercial. The Old Lady will hamburger said. Where's the beef? But in this case. Where's the evidence or is the evidence of this transfer event somehow possibly at some point in time? He was there with his family. Nonsense nonsense people were going in and out of that mall every day is Christmas the only DNA found on her dress in in in that vehicle location was DNA Jerry Burns. Are you kidding me? He said there was no evidence of transfer event and no evidence of outside contamination. He called Burns his DNA on the gearshift a direct purposeful transfer and pointed out that there was no evidence of anyone else's DNA at the crime scene. His DNA is mixed with hers and the only way that what could happen is after she shed blood on her dress his DNA ended up with it. So you can call wherever you want. That's his DNA mixed in the blood from her murder. Maybank said the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt. That Burns was the assailant. The jury was sent out to deliberate. After about three hours of deliberation they reached their verdict. We the jury find the defendant Jerry. Lynn Burns guilty of the charge of murder in the first degree dated this twenty four. Th Day of February Twenty Twenty Michelle's older sister Janelle stone breaker spoke to the law and Crime Trial Network and discussed sitting in the courtroom as that verdict was read. This chapter is over. We know who did it? And we know a little bit of by and that it wasn't one of her friends who aided her or had a grudge. It was some impersonal person. Who had their own issues and and killed my sister in this absolutely horrible way so that part was closure. We still are left with the fact that we've lost. My sister lost all of those years that she didn't live and she adds such a bright future and she was looking forward to college and we. We lost all of that Jerry Burns faces up to life in prison for Michelle. Martin goes murder. He is scheduled to be sentenced later this year. And that's all for this episode as always. I'd love to know what you think. Do you think Jerry Burns murdered Michelle Marchinko. What are your thoughts on the DNA evidence? Let me know by joining the conversation on Instagram. At Court. Junkie by tweeting me at court Junkie Pod or by emailing me at PODCAST AT COURT JUNKIE DOT com. 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I'm going going to us the stadium tonight right at eighty five and bowl Nichols Morgan Har- 'cause we was sitting there because you know you kinda got as you kind of traveled down the road and I'm in this area when they built the stadium. It didn't have all this traffic now trip without these homes and schools around it so it it was really a one way or one way down road versus of two four six lane so you got like all this traffic come off eighty five traffic come out trying to get down to a one way at one way down road and so you'll be sitting sometimes and blowing t shirts. I told you fishing Jay Black. T. Shirts say you put that in Washington. She Never GonNa wash rat on all. I'm not buying you'll t-shirt trial set on Whitney. Yes that was sort of Martin. I don't know if he will remember habitat but it was a Whitney Houston starters my head a witty we we start Martinsville's nine. Let it was it was so good and got his credit. When there was out but God these new niggers they hold? 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Mr Markets in a week is terrible horrible episode of Martin All Right. We'll go ahead. That's right. We gotta go back wash that but anyway anyway we got like these real tall glasses plastic glasses were plastic glasses plastic containers like a guitar and had longest draw and there had like some kind of strawberry alcohol in it and I got a me one. I got your Mama One and we had a ball. We went and we sat down. We we had some really really really good seats. Jot Out to your Mama. Yeah I saw the U. opposed to facebook some some of the footage on the concert hours close. Yes we was close and we've got their early so we got in enjoy and was Kinda right on the end on the only thing about we get early for several reasons is good. Sometimes hey to be sure you interrupt see we actually delicious. Where do we sit and all artist home terrorists for reasonable it? They was like what you sit down here. Because you know the cost you gear you gotta pass people because they want to verify joe as you're right well. It'd be down. There won't be just wondering around so because of what we you know we checked. He was like with C.. So me and your mom was sitting so the concert having going on I had already started about forty five minutes maybe an hour in and they start on day about fifteen minutes late so the concert in started eight eight fifteen twenty but but before that <hes> before that because we really before that it was basically a D._J.. Plan music the whole time so that's kind of what people going Kinda waiting on on him on on their buffet him to perform and so but anyway so we sit down we had concerts or asked I was up the whole time standing up stuff like that so about an hour maybe four times to our in this white man think this black white man is black woman come and they was asking us about our seats that we was like no we we knew he was in a right. You know these seats so they had went off to the side but decided they were on were because where we in the chairs kind of will connect it kind of in a row but what they were they were kind of in unlike the special area where people with wheelchair access not a stuff 'cause they can move the chairs unfold them up to make room for people wheelchairs and their family and friends so that's technically where they were initially where he went so he came came back. He acts as game but you know the music is going. I was like these are seats. That's I was like I was like these are seats and I just turned around and went back to nods and what the fuck out of him and then he came back again about Russia and usher it was like what are your seats. I told us he turned to the man he told demand he basically was incorrect. Seeks over the corner because we would happen was that he was over in a corner in where he was in the far far. Corner argue was better so he was technically weekly. He thought he was on the end. He thought he was on ended a row he was on into into the row row. Not the end of the hour we actually own end of where people said together. He was on the specimen end so technically he was on the end of the row but not we were sitting city because I've seen the other behind him doing a numbers he was down the right seat. You had Interro Down Nair and then he turned to colonize them sees me Yo Mama ignored the fuck adding them because I had my I had the tickets Bush. Come out of the tickets. No no no. I didn't WanNa go through that. When I'm trying to have a good time in the dance three white man you need to go speed and that's why I arrived thirty minutes early slack Bijou? I was supposed to be used showed up late searle right but anyway crackers. That was the only thing that really annoyed me a little bit but other than that we had a Bali was a one one one lady she came in after mean. Your mom honesty was list. She had one big old guitar things that we had she drove by herself and being she left and they were sending like a jokes and wine she got her jirga. Why and she through jumped to she was out me and I hope you've got to back out think she'll be grabbing 'cause 'cause money? She was boost where we had a ball. We have so much fun nice up. Birthday came out together. Kinda did like this prescreen with it was Kinda showing non and showing Mary J. Blige on the screen and all that stuff so everybody you know Kinda anticipating and and they had to pyrotechnic techniques if I'm peninsula rights like star Yes so that had like boxing air and big booms and all that type of stuff and they came out of four and they came up and it was Mary Nas together so I performed together. Mary is fucking gorgeous now as he okay you know why people right now I mean I like Nah but as far from our High Louison so out of women that I mean he's Auntie territory to Oh yes he is and I'm not I'm not knocking 'cause the day was live one one back in the corner. She kept screaming his name so yes I understand. He was nice but I was there for Mary so when when I was like Mary is fan and <hes> after Mr Day performance own together Mary left and so NASA forms now I can put on a hill. It was my first time siennas laugh knock it put on hell of a show eight. He has a bunch of fucking hit. I knew he had hits but once the music pronounced like Oh my God i all these things you know and so the whole time I was standing up on my feet bopping and so why he was performing they had like this jumbo screen admitted they had two screens on the side was full of people further in the bag but it had like a jumbo screen and middle and it was like showing images and I think images from like the videos and things like that kind of in the front while he was performing and so he was getting on once or twice the must at my black A._S.. Is NASA sit down and talk about he was he was saying he had family and North Carolina's Mama's from North Carolina which I didn't know he was in his Mama's from North Carolina stuff my desk somebody's roofs and things like that and he put all a tale of a show I really I didn't know how I was going to enjoy the US. You know 'cause I knew to music and I liked him us like I enjoy his music but there's like I said I didn't know 'cause between you. Enjoy amount of music across listening to and you go into Oh concert sometimes those things don't correlate the name and sometimes you know obscene on online rappers think they could actually Kinda put on performance that that makes sense so you know his energy was high. He was literally putting on a show like performing for us is interesting because he's known as the like and it's only because they compare them to Jay. Z like this guy who is less successful making commercial music or you know like or didn't try hard enough to or whatever I think he just he he has had a lot of commercial his they're just not up to the level of like a pop star anything wrong with that you know and I think also now the woke age you know like he was accused by Kalisa so being abusive <hes> so I know there's a lot of people that's kind of been canceled. Is You know twitter and stuff kinda stay. I'll say all the time man like social media one world and the world the reality of the world. There's just different like he's roaring you know in people are coming out to see him specifically and then the other part of it that's interesting Jay Z and is Torii opening up for more successful women at Lie Gamal. I know they're not in a relationship but you know nauseous essentially opening for Mary J. Blige if he's going I n Jay Z.. Open for beyond say when they went on tour which says a lot about just the power of a like music longevity that careers and the women that they are on tour with yeah they both I know Mary was if I'm not mistaken. They both are celebrate like twenty five years in industry and so that was kind ended a big thing and so that's a long re you know how many people came and try to imitate both of them and like I no longer exists you know because Mary was the person who started that wrapping thinking Type Book Combo like initially initially a desperate her thing and she can do it to the end. A lot of people have tried and they just you live there one song that one album that flop that you never heard of these women again where I have them. You only room who they are. You Remember Song could be here but you won't Renault. Oh who the woman is but you know who marry like you will forever no who she is in history and so I think familiar that's big and there were not in any pre-opening acts if that makes us yeah yeah <hes> and so I kinda like that so when it started it lily starting so it was a no opening acted half the the crowd don't pay teach into an audit type stuff it was okay. Let's go and it made the show shorter think nonsmo- unlike maybe hour and a half around in there and he got he was like Yup. We know here decrees Yoshi common and he just graduate 'cause I mean I'll inside like I say I enjoy his show and like I knew I know you could tell people that will specifically for him but the bulk of the crowd was there for. Mary and I don't know if it was sold out but it got. It looked like it was soda was thousand people packed in you're from where was it to win back. They had to launch seeks people's out there popped up in the lawns headache folding chairs and stuff and so on when Mary came out they didn't like this montage in she changed outfits feels like four times she had a y'all know she had to boost the Dhahab boots and shorts and she was all white ended up and everything else and she is more gorgeous in real life than in the T._v.. Don't do her justice. y'All when I say that women's fucking fits she is fit. She is really fit woman. I don't know how I know. She's older than me <hes> but you can tell like she walked out the exercise size. You was getting all of them. Ties all at you and you get there. She was actually singing it wasn't it wasn't nothing that was <hes> prerecorded that makes you would get in her and dancer that it was Kinda popping up and dancing around her and stuff and I had a I got my mother fucking life. I stood up the three or four hours. They was looted stood up the whole time. My hips are in a little bit afterwards. It was so worth it. I had to win tennis shoes law I don't I maybe this is just old. How do people go to concerts? Women go to concerts to did they know they're gonNA be dipping bopping and dip in and unto ended ended up and you got the nurse on heels. How dare you sometimes we were heels out you know and then also I mean especially if you wear I'm all the time it's probably not all the time and then also you know you might take him out? You know take him off while you're there we're dancing and stuff and on the way our I didn't think about the 'cause you know like I get all juiced up on Mary. You'RE GONNA WANNA go on person. I'm nigger press them up and went out there. y'All we bought it and it was lily. We I say big as empty fans. I know people would tell me that but no no no no yeah it was a big as defense. It was times where people was like because it was kind of a spacious where we our spacious so people were like Torquay light in our like you're not it's like torquing Al you look to the right it'd be it'd be like four black women staring at each other thing in the words dipping it you look to the male it'd be two women over here targeted low point net each other and then it was this on the right on the left side of me. I was telling you that area for <hes> for people wheelchair access to Our lady came down wheelchair her her daughter and her in a her her the assistant dent who kinda helps and sewn it was down there and this lady. I looked at all. I know who came from Mary. This is why she was white lay older white labeling and her daughter they had bedazzle Mary J. Blige shirt she had dazzling Mary J. Buys Cap on and every about four by`stones Mary saying they actually hold up and she was stand up with them and she will bob around for a little bit and she sat down enjoyed the show another four or five songs they stand up as you up around for a little bit. I looked over there. Her daughter was getting it was getting like day was getting they live over there and that Goddamn corner over there what a corner was but I thought people going onto the cookout and care it was a lot of white people do oh Markelle and they was getting a mall. The fucking live like everybody else WanNa blacks on the concert no no <music>. I'm sorry now with a lot of blacks in the building. Now don't get me wrong. We outnumber them but they they was there to represent day day was like we all represent and so they was rolling deepen near and we have such a good time it it was a couple of behind Ming was made in a woman and the do was singing off out. He knew all words everybody was it was it was so I guess you could say when you in a crowd the everybody's they often the same reason the energy level kind of almost goes up as like a you can almost fill each other's Bob because everybody kind of like this is my gene. I'm this is my sheet and it was people recording and things like that but it was known I can it was like a judgment freeze on dem exists where people would all body shapes and sizes not stuff which is just moving our main. Mary's cultivated a fan base man. Our music has been auto. It's like extremely affirming extremely like like independent like you know an end. It also addresses a lot of people's paint and hurt and that's something that <hes> you know like you. We always thought you are audience so it would make this to me. That will everything Mary's being through everything. She sang about that to me without even having been to a concert I was like that's what I thought. The vibe would have been yes or no that is up there. Oh Cat Eh came here. Pool forest cat was there with them with them. Cango hats shifted to the side and you got now's Prom. Cat Daddy degraded the gators was there the button up pants was dead hunter. Yesterday was in all I most of them in the food court and put a hunt is in hunters was there for the picking and so everybody was was they're having a good old time talking and high net each other I saw by some boots what's so but it was Kinda stringy all the way up the knees beautiful shoes and yes blending of shorts a lot of skiing because because it was outside of Raynham and so yes I'm glad you said it yeah it was mini candidate is there with a toothpick saying that they bounce and the Kengo heads to the side and the Khakis if the if they call their pants campaign. I'm sorry to a fan any cat daddy's out there who don't call their pants Khakis Ooh cactus to me shoes and day day was out there haven't yet they had to Blue Bluetooth in Abe Lincoln Blue so you knew it was they were serious. Yes was out there and we all had a good time. We had a ball it was it was no confrontation oil nothing happening you know as far as the crowd really relaxed and on top of that Marianne Nas are they going to bring older the crowd like Nigga. I'm not here to fly. I'm too young for that Bush Day. You know people just done done you know. Some of them still might club the bulk of do you. We was like the club. The fuck is that I'm going to drink this. <hes> jumbo guitar aw strawberry drank wine and call them and take my but I go to sleep because I gotta directing them on it. You know we ain't trying to be crump in fighting she it so I think that's why I really liked the crab because like I say even for a lot of the dues it came for Nas lot of and will Oldham me. I'm pretty sure that was young. People don't get me wrong but the bulk of the crowd they was thirty up. Now I mean that makes sense though they I mean now did they haven't put our music but I mean that's the whole point. We've been in the industry twenty five years. Why would our fans not out of been going through our careers for twenty five years for the most part so older crowd or sounds right and so I think that's also a made it peaceful and yes in next day it was it was lily a bunch of was minute tuber? It was a boon to him in a big ass ninety fast and we had a ball and we loved on Mary Mironov Doughnut she was singing. I'm going down. I see basically like the audience thing the the bulk of the song and she was charlotte singing. Again we had a bowel. We had a really really good time her front front begin at a show to the end of the show and didn't have to the end of the show because they did was one way in and one on we're out me and Mama just sat and we talked about an hour to let let the traffic down because it was the point going and sitting in crunching your car and U._S.. As you ain't GonNa will right so so you know that's why we got that failure failure fair lay and aw I think I think some dues was fighting red light on the way they'll this plus in your Mama's dumpster demonisation say day right now. She said I run through this red light yeah yeah I ain't trying to get shot. I was like I'm with you. I I was like the problem with you. Run to drag is a stray bullet stops right and I think a rick it happened this rick and happen and so do close I got got off work with is key. They'll do it in the back which is raising hailed the other ones. I call the police. I got my kids in this doll. Do you gotta do he was basically like called. The public's like whatever so you got to do we not seeing out here because it's hot. I stopped the car in the car. Then let's exchange of do we got to do and so I think he was kind of deescalate in the situation people to get didn't I never understood that but I also don't get road rage so right you know I'm probably not the person to be able to understand this shit but like he will get in Iraq and they WANNA fight or get out to carney like yell each other light. You know we got a insurance information. The police had to come why we're GONNA be here for Awhile is inconvenient control yourself. You know like I like. I remember one time. It was a lady was coming home from the Basketball Court art was I oh you know I'm starving guessing chick-fil-a for for Karen. It'll be a big surprise come home. She loves it. Chick mini biscuits or whatever chicken minis hours GonNa do that and <hes>. It's like you know guy said you know no okay. This is not a home froze up in there not today in this woman went to make a right and it was like one of those lights where you can make a right even when it's not green <hes> so she made a right she was about to make a right and she started going as so then I I was GonNa go behind her and I looked to the left or saying to make sure nobody was coming. Look back she had stopped for some reason. No no car was coming. She could've made it. She just stopped. I Bang right into the back of her. <hes> bumper you know and it wasn't we weren't going very fast but still you know it was mothball you know so I said hey just pulled over into this <hes> chick-fil-a parking lot and we exchange information and stuff and you know and you know with the new the new. What do you call it like apps on your phone and your phone being cameras is really easy to file a claim now because you like literally take pictures immediately a- access the damage online immediately and be like this is what happened you know get the claim started but yeah it was just anyway? This is born story to say like yeah. I like. I didn't get to call you. Why you started going talk is like Nah? I fucked up. Yes this sucks yet my anxieties up and all that type of shit you know but the easiest thing to do is exchange information. I'M NOT GONNA do some Shady Shit and not report Oreg ally to the insurance people. Here's my Info and yes. I'll make sure we pay for it like you know but it seemed like a lot of times you see people getting rates like they really be getting out of the car like they wanNA fight somebody go. Oh crazy to me and I've been several I just did in my car. I don't even actually initially get out of the car. It's particularly because I rather myself a lot. I'm like I don't know how you fill in. I don't know if you're racism just keeping it real. I don't know anything anything about you stranger right so because I don't know I don't I won't the least amount of interaction with you as possible onto the police council. I Lilly would just sit in my car yeah like I'm tired ninety eight up. I'M GONNA get back to the the story but yeah one time even here I have backed up accident and I hit a lady on my going back to work and I barely Dina car but a hitter and so she looked and she was like well no no no. We're not gonNA found claim I said yes. I found the claim anyway even though nobody had to pay for anything because I don't think she without her sign and it wasn't a dinner anything but I did. It put the fact that I was like no no male if something happens that you turn around and say you're injured or you her album this foul. I don't want you know what I'm saying. I won't records of this happening. Well I've done that and let somebody go like one. Time is a guy back into my car. I mean he ended me. I was a park Darcheville and it was kind of rain. It was wet it was raining. I and this was going away too fast rain and it was at a day stop in front of me and I looked at my review and some said this is not going to stop in time so I have my I am I put on a break and what I did. Stay was I took my foot off of the break and kind of term car making start rolling because I knew is going to be a impact as so when it hit the back of my car did hit it but it didn't take the forefront of like something hitting a stop vehicle right and so I got out the back of the the Honda whatever looked a little SCRA- like a couple of scratches he had a white car so scratch my burgundy fender whatever and I was like he was like I don't know you okay. I'm fine. <hes> you good you know. Let me look at the damage on this shit and I looked at Man. Whatever like it's cool? Go ahead and go about your business. I like I'm not I'm not filing reported. Have my insurance go up for some shit. Dad You know literally was not something I was going to get to work done because they still use that as an incident to raise your premium so that's the reason I I've been in that same situation and Bill I if you good I'm good at that especially when a low speed low-speed Esther I interaction like that like really low speed yeah. It's different if it was like you know because this happened in our parking lot you're talking about right now. He was going faster but he was like almost stopping. Just couldn't stop and time thank God I saw his ass. Ask any might have fucked my neck up or something but you know it but but it's not to your discretion you know but I I prefer not to get my insurance involve possible because you know it's GonNa fuck up your premiums but that's what insurance for like door. That's the way more than five five hundred dollars over dirt work because they're going to have to replace both doors maybe to mirror so is like neck as we got a foul even though a single person incident 'cause I know you don't drive around with your car looking like Wolverine. Fuck this you can-do is building but before before for we lead Mary Story to two things this do was they have these various of and people walking wildlife back and forth parking lot and the arena and they have these po barriers there wide enough for like carts Nada stuff because some to slim of day was traveling cars but it's not big enough for vehicle timeout a woman accident a man out he must have been too impatient sitting over there waiting waiting for an hour and a half whatever to leave so he called it rolling around and he tried to go through to barriers and Clock no barriers in yeah he he'd fuck fuck this car a real good Dan he's one way and then he scraped it again because he had to reverse because he couldn't be through dam and then he backed up in the police. was there all night long police was there to the bulk of the pedestrians left so polices brought in two or three in the morning so sort of policemen there and the police was actually running after him. Hey is Drennan. After what do you mean like physically the police rank. The police was up on the he'll and seen him do this like the releasing him but how can they be running after he was so what is he drove off their yes. He drove all but the police was running towards him like physically running towards him as he drove away from the police. I might have been drunk. That's what I told Your Mama. I scratched up his car because he was drought probably made that decision because he was driving and been drinking and the cost game prize. I let me get the fuck out of here for this view. I go with this total car. Whatever joking I was out your home? I said I do the other thing we will get right across the street. A we was like a lesson from the police officer and do this robot on my y'all need to ride. I said no no. I don't even know riot from ranger was joking. I was like I'm not selling anything yeah. I don't know about either we looked at that. We could not understand people we're all we are in near strange. No I don't won't arrive. The women all around town. have reasonable rates desperate you looking for all right. Let's Osama you had a good time and I'm sorry about this through your asthma but you know black women leaving the house. You know there's always a always close. Then people wonder why women leaving groups you got to be going to me the prices by yourself right what the thing was going to happen. We would just go jumping. Oh yeah we would like yes. Thank you. Thank you strange. Man Right like hoppy we will not go to the concert was planning on going. It's been fun and being a car with a stranger right by the cops just out at right right. Let me let me by the caused. The cops didn't hear him but I was like no gone down because it was it was just we're minnow when it comes to that shit like why would you even asked about that. Yeah women main would never yeah. I can't help this man so but I had a good time so so. I know they still tomorrow so if Mary J. Blige and knives is coming to a city near you go go get your life own. You're going to get all the five on the TAB boots you alone. Get now. You're going to get all uh-huh and is put on a hell of a show. I had about the J. Blige recap guys. Let's get into the news <hes> let's see what are we going on all eighth. That rocky had a fan who was arrested this weekend after threatening to blow up the Swedish Embassy in Washington D._C.. Oh that's not good. That's now to see to me. That's a consistent prison abolitionist okay. Let's say we doggone get this Nigga out of prison. I can't imagine going to jail for do that said that he wouldn't go to jail nobody but okay go out cord to an affidavit. The suspect who has has been identified as Rebecca kanter placed back down to the interest of the embassy through liquid from Glass Coca Cola borrow at the Doorway Gail. I'm GONNA blow this motherfucker up. Oh the next day she returned to the embassy what she screened a personnel element statements about eight hundred rocky who is currently being held by authorities and sweet and soon after she refused alita embassy and was taken into custody by secret service agents when he gets out. I hope he gives gives a free concert tickets for life. That's dedicated fan just charge destruction the property and unlawful entry. She appears to be protesting rockies recent arrest by Swedish starters. <hes> protests free Thapa. I guess she really meant it. She midday she'd Doctors Sabie. A thing is for now the the holistic medicine doctor his family address nipsy Russell conspiracy theory and Nick Cannon completing document documentary by saying there is no conspiracy when negative things happen to tragedies happen happen. Our society is always quick to jump to pain. Instead of no-one facts is e.. L. Said <hes> so the fact that the fact that didn't die over during the documentary it makes me think why would they want to kill nips the overdose during a documentary Marie if he wasn't if he wasn't Dr Savvy or he wasn't hill and people he continue yes he was talking about the message but a theory. I'll kill a nipsy us so no there's no conspiracy dot and gang violence something that was very tragic to our society and hip hop period I add it raises the question what it does man do the impact nifty hustle that stumped. That's something that's very interesting because he was from a different era of what we're used to seeing uh you would think as a community advocate that would have different projects at his age but he ran across Dr Sabie. What did that mean for us? What does that mean for his era? It means a lot <hes> so yeah I guess people maybe maybe get some of the hotels to drop shit yeah so maybe won't. Let's see what else happening y'all ass. Did you go check the getting a hundred twenty five dollars from equifax yet I did and I'm getting on <hes> check. They gotta website you can click on it put Joe Information in and trust them automation again and then being used the money as for check and other stuff so I definitely find out but you probably won't get that one hundred twenty five dollars though the gas I don't think so yeah you probably want to get one hundred twenty five dollars on no hate until you are bad. What am I sent everybody? The chances are increasingly slam in fact there's only room for two hundred forty eight thousand people to get the full amount but the amount of people who are affected by were one hundred forty seven million people so if everybody signed a we will all be looking to get twenty one cents twenty one st I'll is I think Donald Stamkos more days twenty cents Yeah Twenty one pennies and mostly you're not going to apply are not going to see the if okay that's that's what we were hoping for. I F out so yeah I hope they don't but if motive two hundred forty eight thousand people sign up of the eligible one hundred forty seven million <hes> that went twenty five number is God damn La and I blame Alexandra Cossio Cortes 'cause she lied to me on twitter and said one hundred twenty five dollars a good amount of money and you should go apply for it and now notice. He doesn't encourage everybody. I'm going to be out of money like every. It's like everybody playing the same lottery number. Thanks L._L._C. for nothing hold on is this how socialism words 'cause I'm out okay. I wanted that one twenty five APP plans hands players. I was going to get me a Mario Kart driving wheel. Okay now Nasr Done Okay Hope Plane Guy Good massage amount hundred twenty five. You didn't even plop boy so you ain't getting it. What are you talking about? Don't trying to come in on my money. I want nobody a sign up listening to this shit right now. Okay how big this right now just goes everybody. Everybody unapplied okay. Take your name out. Reject say no money dollar fucking my money up this getting smaller small about the second degree two sons bitches. They messed up my credit. I I think Blackie was to get the money I okay <hes> because slavery reparations or something like that <hes> let's see Monique Sobs about Whoopi Goldberg Salary at the view <hes> so uneager stealing her feelings about her exchange but we'll be Gobert when she was on the view back in twenty eighteen. The comedian is calling out to Oscar Tony Globe Golden Globe an Emmy the <hes> winner game while talking to Comedy Height Monique's when I cannot just play this. How long is this five minutes mostly? We can get because he Whoopi Goldberg told me the salary sheet makes on the zoo and the ones that you've been there for ten years and you'll accept them paying you and you tell me don't worry about the middle coming up. Goddamn assigned to be worried about you too because you accept that salary it makes it hard. What I think is also interesting demand? I guess that's the part where they seem. I definitely disappointment to see someone that to looked up to the character didn't match your character of how would you felt was also important Gobert you being a black woman stand up comedian and you going to her show and from what I <hes> common gathered she brought up the whole Netflix thing and you guys talked about black being blackballed on the view and backstage. She tells you something in regards. Don't worry about the other one's coming behind you worry about yourself. How do you feel initially seeing someone? I'm assuming you looked up through pretty much. Tell you that they didn't care about you. Innocent is hard for me because there was some women they gave a damn about me before. I got Eddie Eddie mcdaniels that was that was outta be well. That was what we speed was. That was those women saying. I'm GonNa take these ads within so hopefully you will have to take them. I'm GonNa take them calling me to my face. I'll take I'm calling me a black. I'll take them telling me you bet not step over the smart. I'll take all of that so hopefully you won't have to Patti Labelle. Hug Me in a way baby. The Dead Ho came from a place of love that's on Patty in the community and when I I meant that woman she held on me so tight and I was wondering those people in live of hundreds of people that stood in line at a concert and see hug me like I was the first so I hold onto those memories now. You can't see what she is crime right. Now that's sobs. I Dunno she sobbing but she does have two years coming out. You know so to make me stay. Let me make sure then in a little girl hold onto me. She feels the same way I felt when Patti labelle held onto me at a concert after hugging people for two hours you hear me two hours as she hugged me like I was the first first person in line so when ain't no cameras rolling Patti Labelle is Patti Labelle see when I meant Patti Labelle I was going to do my second divorce right and I found out what I had to pay so I'm backstage. Maybe Drama Dhamma going through it. That woman pulled me to this acid comey a little girl. What's wrong what you don't you let them stay? You fall apart the one thing that mean can take from you as your talent. Give them that money right now. Give it tomorrow and you go out on stage and you've show your ass and you give the people in the backseat a hell of a show because they don't want that really didn't have no money. That's coming to see you see that's the con- I got. That's what I filled with. I got filled with Valerie Simpson and Simpson. Invite me today home and saying a baby. Let me tell you what are supposed to be one. Get it. Everybody get it. That's the era we came from so I got those women Philly. I got Susan Taylor from F._M.. Saying listen don't bullshitting when she walked away. Esperance walked away but when I got those women at pulling me up staying a little sister. Let me talk to you for a minute so when I get Whoopi Goldberg on the flip saying dumb little ones coming behind you you better give a damn about you that crushed me that day and her dressing room because they won't be Gober told me the salary she makes the view and that hurt my feelings that you've been there for ten years and you'll accept them paying you and you tell me don't worry about little coming up. Got Down to find out to be worried about you too. Because you accept that salary it makes it hard for me and how hard you think it's called waiting to hear yet because you accept that salary sort of mustard dressing as you say that me you can't be worried about that one coming up well. What does MOMS Mabley didn't worry about you? Would've those ones didn't make it better for us so I try not to take your personal personal because the women outlook too so I don't want the little girl who's not here yet a little girl right down the street at the juice bar to says Oh my goodness that's monique. I don't want her to walk away. Say Daddy who thought she was disconnect. Ended it that way editorial choice. What'd you think about that is true? The net understand her paying and Johnston she field and to an extent even just in a workplace and things like that just just existing you can tell is a difference at and sometimes it's a generational thing you know and it's a personality thing there are some some women's and black women that kind of always been like this they are black women in the streets and they work hard and they grind and they pick everybody up and they break down these walls and they pull everybody everybody behind them and let me say they. They deal with Shit so you don't have to. They won't it to be easier for you. They won't each generation a lot of these women. No the history there they will informed they've had racist shit happened to them and I've on that but you always have people that are always been out for themselves nothing every people but as a black woman I do repainted sad ad when you're looking like your -fected by the Shit too and you looking out for you is affecting lily everybody because like like you say Abassi you bullshit. They're not gonNA pay anybody anymore. You're like like somebody else's going to have to break their barrier. The People Utah don't worry about going to have to be the person is going to have to deal with Bush to get to the Pulmoddai bitch I demand more and then they come in and then they do the stuff that you should have done as far as looking out for the people you know Tom and sometimes like that can be hard doom but at the same time you know is is one of those things <hes> it's all about the industry and how you how the because the thing about Whoopi as kind of I'm Mexico like she has a ways and she say something you agreed you say something about what the hell even talking about you know and so defined out this. She's just about self nonsense China's not surprising the same person says right rape you know tells me that she's not really concerned about anybody else and it's just sad to to see that <hes> n people <hes> and <hes> I was more people were actually be. I was actually care about other people care about the knicks generation if they did some of the problems in issues be having a worldwide not exist the actually cared about the people behind them yeah. It's interesting to me because I we'll be maze more than anybody else on view so I think what monique is saying is like she wants her to May even more than she does on a view like maybe make the most network or something like that because she's putting into time and effort and if she was a white woman she would be getting more money <hes>. I've seen her catch a lot of backlash for the interview. I've seen people call her crazy you know because she was crying in the interview and I think anytime somebody shows emotion in public <hes> especially crime people go okay. Something's wrong with you. You know <hes> but I think what she was talking about with something that was deeply emotional for her. <hes> and I don't know I feel like I just have spot for Monique in that way where <hes> I do understand that she said in his does Shit Shit as problematic. I do think there's times when she has a handle share. In a way that people will feel is non confrontational or whatever like maybe she's blocking our own blessings but I guess the way I always looked looked at her kind of struggle with Hollywood has been one where and maybe it's my bad for for maybe I'm viewing it through to forgiving of a lands but I always looked at it as it was her trying to say I would like the the same treatment as my peers who got in the situation and I do understand Oscar is not to be out in dollars plenty of people that have won Oscars faded into obscurity having gotten a just have they're picking a litter with their own projects and all this stuff but on the flip side of that there's plenty of people who want Oscars that you know Kinda got the run of projects and dream jobs for the rest of the career light sir there. Is You know like there's an element of this that is Kinda like confirmation bias like if you like her then you're like yeah. Why didn't she get the career of other Oscar winners the ones that had charm lives and if you don't like it and it's like everybody had on Oscar Anne I went on to have a charm hi? So who the fuck are you to decide that you get to be one of those people and I think that's Kinda. Her point is I who gets to decide right and the thing for monique is that the people who essentially put it out there that she was not to be worked with. We're black people you know and I think while people are laughing at her mocking her or you know or even the people that are to some extent are being ridiculous with with money shit where like she can do no wrong and everybody should you know like there's nothing possible that she could ever said that anyone should take offense. Do like it just an honest lane like I don't feel like a I mean I feel like the way that she has reacted to. This has been about the fact that she kind of believed in like unity or uplift man or like promise of like like you get what you want when you're when you're like you. To achieve a certain level as a black person and you're not supposed to back down from that and she feels like all the black people in Hollywood should be on this page and I think she is hurt when she when she goes up against these walls where you know Steve Harvey is her friend but also on T._v.. Telling her line now you can't do this like you can't be concerned about all this other. Black people should just worry about your money your thing do whatever these white people need you to do. Do you eat and your kids e and stop being so prideful you know and you know when people don't like Steve Harvey then he's a Koon and all this shit where people don't like monique then it's like it it'd be it's crazy she he was trying to tell her but you know the truth is somewhere in the middle. It's really just a big struggle of blackness in a white country and in a why run like industry we all do this. We all have to struggle with how much my authenticity do. I WANNA put out here. And how much is it worth because you know it has to hurt. When you look up to somebody somebody that you can sit or maybe a gatekeeper or four <hes> four bear of a for the community and in that person and tell you the exact opposite of what you believe are the values that should be upheld by somebody like now you know? Don't put you on a pedestal. You won't have to worry about that but still it had hurt you know. I'm sure there's people that have I don't know I don't have a lot heroes. I have lots of levies I look up to but I'm sure there's somebody could be shocked by if I were to meet somebody in this lane and they were to be like yes everybody do just I would be a little surprised. I don't think I've been telling everybody but I I will be a little surprised and she's decided to live a life would like some openness and today that maybe a self destructive <hes> ultimately career stifling possibly but she's decided to live her life like how open and and I do wonder how people will look back on her years. From now you know like Nah like in the immediacy of it. It's a lot of hot takes but I wonder like if people will back her with the Lens a history and some perspective and be like this is the same time now that there was a movement Hollywood times me too and part of that movement became a about equal pay and white women was seen as a litmus test tomorrow eight hundred eighty eight hundred dollars where we make against black white man essentially but black WanNa make sixty six minutes and then Latino Latino women make less than that and so it goes down and it goes down yeah goes goes down the indigenous people they make less than that right monique brings a very valid point point and she's giving real-time information on how success within this culture of assimilation seems to take the toll on black people that okay get look out for yourself and don't be two black and don't bring up black causes houses are unfairness because you're gonNA fuck it up for everyone and for everyone I mean just yourself 'cause you're only because Howard cosell Steve Harvey said it Monica's Willoughby's now said it to her and yeah like I get how is very destructive that she's telling these people's business or she's doing this in a public platform but I do think we'll back and hopefully I hope anyway people would a little more perspective relies. We was Kinda tripping to combat her neck about how like for those that mock Steve Harvey telling her that Shit and I do think for the record I do think Steve Harvey came from a good the place when he told her that Shit I agree because a lot of people are going to try to framing. It was like he's just a KUNA. He was trying to shut a black woman down now. That's there really rains he. He was giving her the game. The thing is if that's the game the game is fucked up and demand point and if their game fucked up and we all know the game as fucked up how how do we get mad at her for being the one who's saying it's fucked up. We all say as fuck don't they. Don't like the Messenger Right. We're just like set the puck of and played a game and then who do you sound like you sound like Steve Harvey so like I want people to step back in evaluate what they're saying in a bigger message goes out support. 'EM Kinda root for mony to keep telling the truth like this. She's doing fine linebacking. She got a residency in Vegas like she continued to get opportunities. They may not be the opportunity seafield she deserved. They may not be the opportunities on par with her white counterparts but the truth matter is is he's not really taking money out of her pocket. In a way where <hes> she just can't eat and she's like on the streets. You know which was a big thing with Steve Harvey said if I do I talk he has eaten is like Steve. How're you are so far from being poor for for your kids not eating not you you're going to be reaching your kids are going to be rich? Your kids kids are GonNa be rich. <hes> this is about you now and this is what makes you win is enough enough. Is there ever a point. We're your integrity was say I'm not doing this shit as a black person you know and that's the big message here so anyway. I appreciate what she said I do. I and I know there's probably people listening to this Nigga. Love Him Simoni. Is that really it's just I don't know man. Maybe the IMP impact Carter me. I don't know but I feel like she nar wrong. She does these things and the things she's saying aren't crazy. They're not right like I don't know of. You is weird to spouse. These believes Intel her shut. The fuck up is I just don't get how we all have the same right with the industry and how they treat black people especially black women and then at the same any time up about it is is fair. That's enough for you like what in then don't get mad. When you don't get the same page of white counterparts stop you know what I'm saying and especially in industry where people salaries and stuff become public knowledge Nigga? We know you're getting screw on your check. We know that they're paying somebody else more for the same work she just saying she wanted for you to and there is something to this people come in behind you shit. You know if you believe river like May and maybe that's the thing maybe people just don't believe but if you believe or there is something to that like if they fuck you as the black person. That's the biggest person in a room. They gonNA fuck everybody else because you took it right you know is tim duck can take less money for the spurs well at that point. They think everybody undertaking gotta take less money. You know Tom Brady not taking the MAC. What in nobody on this can ask what a Max accept this time? The team is black people and we're not actually officially at team team. None of us are drafted like but but that's how that's what I took from. It was one of these days for anybody could complaints and talk proud about how the system folks up but then nobody's willing to fuck up the system to get it to change yeah. I'm not saying look. I don't find her to be we like maybe you know maybe other things like because I have never really delved into our personal life. I don't know about her pike. Has I heard this stuff about. Her husband is Asian and she calls him Daddy Shit and it's so there's people that are much more verse than like her lying in her world than I am. You know it's kind of like that car dashing thing where I don't really be in a world so it's easy for me on the outside it'd be like I don't know they don't make me that mad and I'm moving on right but we're we're monique. I I don't know at least the Shit I've seen I don't be feeling like wow. I can't believe someone will say something so crazy. I I really just be like what that is. What the Fuck we say about the industry and she's just confirmative from the inside and yet somehow are we still end up being like fuck her and all that to say I'm not <hes> out here on ridiculous avenue with it because I did see like and I'm sure everybody saw it on twitter because there was a viral tweet but I did see the woman who was saying like she's is a bigger deal to Eddie Murphy because Eddie Murphy is getting offers seventy million dollars from Netflix to do overturn to stand up special and this one was like you know Modique should be getting that you know that money because my lifetime Eddie ain't been funny honey you know she he's funny? <hes> she's funnier than him and she had a successful T._v.. Shows not just stuff that I have a better way to put it other than I found that she'd be ridiculous. I wish you were saying just start inaugurates yeah right like I and this is the patronizing world of black twitter and social media sometimes this shit I've talking about where people go too far with a point right because they look like artificial intelligence black plus woman plus make this point about marginalization to infinity and it's why okay but that's not always true. <hes> like y'all like Ayar do y'all. I'm a fan of monique making like one. I do endorse but thing but I'm also a fan of just like you know the things he stands for and and the points he's trying to advocate for Hollywood Hollywood but Nigga. You've got to be so crazy to think that Eddie Murphy Guinness Seventy Meal Means Monica Got Seventy Miller or she or she's more funny all-time him Ham or what it so what it a measurable here like how can you just like. Are you just saying that for people to re tweeted and go guess yes Queen as opposed to being realistic right because there's no facts. There's nothing like because you know when you say they'll statements. You've got to come in statistics. You can't be saying that should just to say that she is funny is subject. Yes it is right but you're you're literally turning people against the thing. You said you want people to be four right. The whole point is the argument that's all it is everything for people to do is to start a cooking argument the end as behind you. I didn't take the bay I mean. Are we talking about it here but I talk about it online 'cause I. It's like certain things are framed in a way that I think I don't know my most cynical self is like so the frame it this way so people wish her like. Did you come up with this point so everybody was all day talking about how how good she's not as Eddie Murphy 'cause like why would you do that. You know I saw the same thing with Donald Glover and Jamie Foxx P someone's brain conversation about the like Jamie Foxx Donald Glover could never and then it becomes all day. We're sitting on a very talented black do for another very time of the black do as if we can only have one. There's a highlander of lightly born in one y'all like it just seemed like and I wonder if people start those topics because they're like I don't like Donald Glover and I would like to see people talk about how good he isn't. As opposed opposed how good he is right so so now we can like have a bath section out of nowhere just fucking nowhere and you could do it to anyone but like when people do it so. It's such a weird thing to want to do to me. I don't know I wonder if that's what it has got to be. You know yeah. I got some say one. GotTa go yeah. I got one. GotTa go blocked on twitter like Fuck Dash. It just dumb shit up. It's the dumbest shit man because just less codify saying anything hang on facebook is just like I don't know I guess people that's how they single solitary time. Yeah I get it. That's how people pass the time and whatnot but I dunno it just seems pointless anyway man Gilette Monique. She is a you know I. I'm just glad that she's already making a living off her art so billionaire for her art but you know you do have to pick at some point like you wanna live with integrity. So you WanNa be rich you know. Do you want a richer. I guess and it sounds I she wanted to have that integrity more and that's just a choice. She may have to agree with you but I do respect it because as you can see not a lot the people that are successful black. People seem to be making their choice. It seems to be a lot of like fuck. These knicks behind me shit yeah now remember. Jamie Fox was on that Lebron thing rancho on H._B._O.. And he was somebody generational thing by now. How athletes people come out in their speak this shop thank you and they will come out? Neighbors speak about black stuff. He was saying his day they were scared. He was like we didn't come out and speak. We're GONNA fuck up our monies and now a lot of y'all come out and y'all don't have that same. Worry yeah yeah or they just it's not they don't have that worried they just they don't <hes> because the consequence can be detained correct. Maybe they worry about it but they just seem less afraid right this anymore. Yeah well they seem more willing especially in a after Obama a lot of black celebrities name a lot more willing to go away from the Jordan like Republicans by sneakers to idea and go to the like. You know well fuck. I don't want their money if they don't fuck me <hes> let's see what else can we talk about. <hes> border patrol chief says she joined the secret facebook group to monitor members. She was racist to U._S.. Border Patrol chief leave caller provost total congressional committee Wednesday as she joined the secret facebook group field with derogatory posts targeting migrants and lawmakers to read what her personnel thought about her. I joined facebook and twenty six teen mainly to reach out the friends and colleagues she he said to the House Appropriations Committee and twenty seventeen colleague invited me to some groups they had mentioned to me that I that in my acting role achieve at the time that some of the agents were discussing how is doing and there was something I I would certainly interested. Didn't she got a girl. You Know People WanNa talk about you. I'm on facebook very very rarely July. I was the first time I thought it was highly highly offensive and absolutely unacceptable pulse and the PROPUBLICA report promos noted that she he self-reported her involvement in the group accustoms intergroup the Border Protection Office professional responsibility which is currently investigating sixty two current border patrol employees for their involvement in three groups including I'm ten fifteen eighteen in that group which was uncovered by Propublica and has upwards of nine thousand members current and former employees jokes about dead migrants and included an editor image of a smile and president trump forcing now cossio cortes air down outdoorsy scratch. The ender set reported earlier this month that provos was a member of the group provost reportedly posted in the group as recently as three months after permanent employees appointment in August <hes> provost where's does she wants commented in the group on about a question from the T._v.. Show jeopardy because our ages. We're talking about her and that post she was the subject of the jeopardy question. The Hill has reached out to sea B._P.. A whether provos is one of the sixty two current employees being investigated for being in one or two three Kruse way you think here what do I think yeah bet you line loser Job News Your job losers. I'll give you self report. What Talk Group Report the group? Why did you have to join to see because of the thing you only join the group to see what Dave fucking day was saying about you so you're telling me as as somebody listened to the story you didn't really care about it was talking about new group? You came to see they were saying about you. You need to be fired so you do. They tell the truth because I think she but I did. I think she lying. She kinda lying it to the truth. She joined the grew. I do believe she joined the group to talk about her. I believe that are I okay yeah but quote unquote once you got in the group. The other Shit Day was talking about that that didn't in your failures. There didn't know it was no concern to you about the other Shit you seen group. Nothing nothing. Nobody okay yourself yeah because because people the only concerned about themselves so yes I do believe she chewed join the group this see what the fuck was saying about her not to actually do any type of investigation to see about the ship to her employs was talking trash talking about me pitches. I'm here yeah you lose your job to. I do wonder why she joined. I would've said that's why join the group Demon ended teams both lost y'all jobs yeah. I think she obviously lose a job. I don't believe her either and I think this is like the cover on ask like you said she's lying in telling the truth so shocked by C._A._D.. Check out her amazing book. Yes tell the truth about online <hes> but yeah I think having it both ways because she asks you might have join the group because somebody's idea and they're talking about girl but then you couldn't have been in that group for any period of time and not seeing some of this offensive right period because my things is. Let's say I join the group. 'cause I'm not talking about me. Click Click the let me go support myself and let me tell about what the fuck is happening here. They took them investigating the four. You come out and say something something's wrong with that picture that AH PROPUBLICA got it right. Net Net now is less told no no no no act like she's loud in. That's not what that's not what happened you came because you girl talking about you. Let me let let me get got an auto races sheet in and all that Shit. Let's say that about me. It's easy for me to believe that she lied just because I think she didn't care 'cause I think all the people that work at Border Patrol probably races so yeah so racism right hours probably not to take anything offensive because you'll I don't have a problem you disagree with this yet and essentially they probably like tops. Look at those politicians who are like we need more regulations on Y'all. We need to check your power as anti their job and they're like hook these people. That's my guess so I wouldn't be shocked at all of that was the case here the administration we have Alpha's that now nobody is going to happen Yup so well. I don't know they are investigation so maybe something what happened to some of them. I don't know probably the people that posted the most problematic post will be you know Sarah Ceremonies me take down end up being police officers on suspicion on the suspension without paying some somewhat happen but just just enough to make the Eli we try but they won't people like that in now's physicians nations all right. Let's get into some fucking with weight. Yeah fucking black. People is the next segment that we're going to do so. Let's get into some of that so as I bring up the song all right around the song and let's get into fuck just fucking those lacks. We're just talking with but with black people that's right God's tied to play the game. We all hate the play. It's evil the game we go around the globe Geragos like with with zero to one hundred twenty five today is no exception everybody's playing and we actually got some repeat players today a return contestants if you will angry orchard fires the manager after black couple was harassed during a proposal good they have fired imagine who was on duty at the brewery when a black couple was allegedly harassed and racially profiled in the middle of their proposal the company has said day to day. I take an immediate steps to remove manager who was on duty from her row and replace members of the security team as well come home because they know niggers love and garage where extremely embarrassed this happen. We've reached out we reached out and spoke directly what the guest involved to express sincere apology offer to make it right. We badly mishandled the situation team overreacted right and that's not funny. I've never been but is one of things with if I thought about going I'm like I don't even know what I want to go into toy. You'll pay extra money you willing to avoid them tickets to go on to to pick apples shit. <hes> according to people are angry orchard also intends to ensure everyone on our team from cider makers to security has additional training a areas of security awareness unconscious bias to prevent something like this from happening in the future. Come on like you know what everybody we when we'll get dams you pull it attacks. You can't dance with put people out here. Are you gonNA get drained into. They'll have to change the door time. When you walk in though change that they have to? We're deeply I guess mistreated the situation. It doesn't reflect that values of respect for all in creating a welcoming environment for all our guest <hes> R._I._C._O.. Hydrocare oh I'm not fuck with at all because that people say they want to do uh-huh and I'm keeping real like Papa John's. I was like book him get him off. They got him off and Alba's mad so I was in my feelings about this year and I was like lucky but you know what if I'm GonNa do a boycott. I'M GONNA do real boycott. They said did <hes> <hes> they changed day addressed it they putting over this shit and they got rid of them. I'm good today addressed the problem that now that they just the promise that we're going to retrain somebody we got no no we let them go and we're going to retrain everybody because we don't want this Bush to happen again. 'cause we are here in the middle of nowhere and we don't want niggers margin in front and Anger Orchard Apple Field talking about don't nobody go in there. There's motherfuckers racist running our money away is is businesses very smart mart so I will be drinking gin and I think just found out can liked bill more than visa. I will end my folk hot and I'm also zero percent for we asked people to do they do and you see a man. I know X.. Michigan <hes> ex-miss Michigan Kathy do the Asian Lady who had the racist and Islam-phobic Post and in social media last Miss Universe con whatever that he missed it was miss some forget what the title was Jupiter wherever she was there miss yeah but she was Michigan or whatever well she has now been added to who the women for trump coalition advisory board of course he is <hes> she made announcing on Thursday says she so excited to be named that and she also deleted tweets completely stands by those tweets in case you guys are wondering so so <hes> Miss World America. That's what she was okay so yeah zero two hundred I mean twenty-five because she was racist so she just continue to be racist. Yeah I think racist people basically have a fallback clan of going to join and trump in something it's almost as if him and his administration administration are as is almost as if raises people can rely on a job. It's almost like a fallback whenever racist people. I don't know maybe tripping you know. I was probably races enough. I can get a job. It's probably coincidence. Try coincidence that all the racist people seem to find home with trump not saying he's racist or anything I would how dare who say that about sitting president much like they can't be prosecuted. Apparently they can't they also can't be called racist. <hes> Ole miss students suspended from frat after posing with guns immaterial memorial sign so they got the school they were suspended from the frat ought of okay okay. Fraternities has more integrity than the school school. We don't want you in the Frat no more <hes> we'd we'd we'd we don't want all nine and a organizations all nine of the Greek organizations showing up a house the fucking I know that ever Kappa Alpha not the black fraternity people they were suspended. I don't know I don't know what that means suspension. There's just a thing like and then next week. They're back like I'm assuming that means. You can't let us like I don't know if that means you yeah not that hard that part I'm not talking about. I know it asked me I mean yeah. They won't let you whether letters can't come the parties and Shit but when you say suspended ended like six months a year I mean does our fraternities. Not a thing that page you. You pay is so okay. What does that mean until it cools down like y'all beat it into the she rolls over basically yeah so for me personally? I'll still giving it a hundred math factor cars actually even though I know that's the right thing to do to suspend him or whatever fuck gesture cars also Zephyr avenue black members because if I'm black and my homeys <hes> I'm looking at things totally different right now come out come on a yellow on a bus thing hanging Nigga by tree group. I don't know right right. That's armies them to do you play with my that oversaw your pledging not. I don't think that's a that's not a good look. If I'm black and I'm their private kid in that Shit I might get your black out of there. <hes> what did you say oh one hundred okay <hes> I this trying to play the news article but not playing <hes> anyway. Let me try again are White Woman on Video Colin Black Women and were says he is not sorry and we'll do it again. Go Okay five out of five stars would do again. That's a yelp review of the racism cannot recommend customer right very satisfied customer of using an we're on black women courses. They're having North Carolina so North Carolina <hes> that's always nice. Let's see let's rally a white woman who berated to black women at North Carolina restaurant with the racial slurs said she she is not sorry and that she would do it again. Why doesn't this you WANNA play trying to play in his stops? It goes back to reset. 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It's not work that okay go to Adam and Eve dot com and put into Cotija W._t.. and get out of free stuff that I told job out all right side. No music was under this but sometimes speaks herself all right. I have no idea what's going on this ad same add anymore now as long as a black man walking down the street add my what happened why get might be about the play all right. I'll just try to read it into we get some something <hes> white woman a mill berated to black women at North Carolina restaurant with racial slur. Oh and now's plant what was happening. Jesus Mr was did a freeze. Is I see it. I'm screen now but I'm not getting any audio onscreen to see okay all right our okay. Let me just read it and it'll start interrupting me probably through right another ad is playing are actually change. Stories is not even saying story. There's still a written parties videoing God damn you might trying to Google it. Yeah yeah all right. Let me pause the recording that people don't have to hear this later all right. We think we gotTA fixed everybody. White patron at a local restaurant calls a black patron the N. word all of this captured all cellphone video video that has now generated thousands of shares in comments on Social Media Stephen. We tracked down the women in both sides of this video w orioles Thera- Krueger talked with them all joins us now. L. Live in Raleigh Corsair this happening at a bonefish in north hills right bonefish ain't cheap David that's right. It happened right here yesterday evening during Hafiz Act does niggers going in there. No it's been good white American dollars in their the hour. The woman who use the racial slur told me today she will not apologize for her language and in fact. She said she would use the same word again. This minute long cell phone video shows an encounter between customers at the bonefish grill in North Hills this she has then the woman do we now know is Nancy. Goodman calls another customer the N. Word now and your money brings. Your student found Goodman at her home. I'm a seventy one year old woman who lives in Raleigh. I suffer from tremendous bobby anxiety. Don't give a book don't care but what I tell ya they. Everybody got the words. Now we got the words. BUZZWORD is already. I suffer from anxiety. I'll get to be racist and lock got Zayed Races Mental Health thing. Can you just don't understand okay this ideal minds I D I call people niggers and getting confrontations restaurants. Is You had anxiety attack now racist. You possibly no okay if you don't deal with my probably earn diagnosed unmedicated anxiety that I just came up with ah I got busted camera they could you possibly know the women's behavior pushed her to act as she did. I'M NOT GONNA say Florrie to them because they put kept pushing at it and that's all I really liked. What about your use of the N. word? I use that word because they forced me into it for you. You're forced into by accident you just you. You're not even you don't really have problem but outside and he's like Oh my God I been forced in San our this never happened you care i. I'll tell you guys is happening. Me Is happening before I just came out. I was playing basketball and my anxiety came up and I was arguing with this guy and I say niggers off same and I put my hand over say. How can I believe I said it myself so I believe is white woman okay? She was putting the corner and you never know what's GonNa come out. Do you see how that's incredibly offensive. That's why sets with what luck you be fuck. You just need a lot of white people on twitter to tell me how she's not racist. She had a racist comment. Lucky beach say it again to them. She says she would use that word again to you. All Wow wow that's Shonda. Stewart is the one who took the cellphone video her friend. lakisha Shaw is the one who was called the racial slurs. I don't care how you feel like we should have been acting if I was standing on the table with three days in a purple jumpsuit. Nothing justified you to come to my table and Communist. Goodman says she regrets not asking management to tell the women to be quiet but she made one thing clear so you're not sorry about saying the N.. Word Komo in a statement bonefish grill tells us we do not tolerate hate speech or disrespect in our restaurants they added that they are reviewing the incident to the how can do better at de escalating relating situations in the future David Recruiter reporting live in Raleigh. Sarah thing I mean ain't should they can do it wasn't between them and an employee was to customers. They don't have any proximity overeat the parts in today's climate. That's what people well do. They blame the place where it happened. My that's what they now you know like. If something racist happened at a place is like why didn't you I'll stop the racism it's like I don't know I know but a lot of your countrymen are just fucking racist. It's not a rule you can pass to make them not be racist. My Yeah and the thing is <hes> yes she. She is a prime example. Why a lot of people don't believe white people bull like they just don't believe you know you said it because you know it was hurtful? You know it was hateful. The end say not ducal like like like like she is a prime example came out and said it a lot of people you'd call words at around founded a lot of people would have doubled she double down but a lot of people would came and said mine. Zeidan native stuck on that road but she's a no I said and I knew what I meant at our media normally can't cover these stories because they cover their mas- I mean even in this even in this news report they don't make definitive like she's a racist this they afford thing that she did and she's a horrible person. For this right writer ended the news thing where she works here and she needs to not have a job sounds like other black people if I worked with her out first thing I would do is coming to a fucking racist bitch. Why am I working with her? I don't even guarantee you. She works with other black people to be honest with you. Whatever you know but whatever maybe she was a coffee shop what I don't give them fuck what she does but it's interesting that you know the story just ends there with <hes>? She doesn't care that she's rises says he's retired. She don't go for right. Do you have to be retired but but walking group she in you know will include walking right racist races anxiety. That's the new one say it must have been economic anxiety. We keep hearing so much about guys actually now real voted for thank you for that does she has not real voted for trump because of that same anxiety guys the nigger anxiety the worst kind she gives it other agents tire to like the McConnell Start Nigger nigger nigger nigger Jesus Sheila she looks at Dan. I am always racing. It always Bruin Guy Zero two hundred I get you massacre fucker cars cars and that's also why partly down describe to the thing where y'all say a lot of blacks will say. I like my racism in my face open. No I don't I easy my blooming onion Ma'am state of luggage oh racist table and don't Jose Shit what why go back to the sixty. These are not my ancestors hands. Okay leave me out of your racism day assault really really solved in managerial and Patty would go into your private facebook group and complying with the rest of Border Customs Charles how you don't like me Joe Friends and family okay you better go on. What was it the fifteen ten ten fifteen you better have of the net group in Tokyo Shit when you get home? I like my racism in my facebook out here. I have shaped buttered hands. Ma'am no thank you write a nice been all this time playing Mario Kart so I had to punch you interface and knock now. My Mario Kart time is a little slow. I don't don't think so <hes> face old lady. I'm glad they didn't beat her ass. That'd be honest with you because I feel like they would have been the ones catching charges and shit right because of racism. I couldn't do anything to hurt. That's why she showed her ass. The fuck you go and do nothing you touch me. I'm a white woman complete white women yeah and she can play victim and everybody's going to pass all the bushy she said to get to that point and was not ready to be on the news in will the government name was no and I don't care where anybody says I will continue to say this. The second trump took office racist people said I have to God down right to be racist and it's not a fucking thing you can do just like when Obama got an office Nixon was like as a Nigga office. We're GONNA protest. It's the same thing <hes> all right. Let's move into some guests rice please. Yes all right now. There is time for some guests raise. That's right. It's guest star. It's time now that is for some that's right is just throw race time. I that's right. It's time for gas race the number one game show going over all the pockets where we play all kinds of news articles and read them and stuff and we have Karen and chat room guest race of the people involved aw of course Karen and the chat room plan all racist huge racist guys unbelievable voices the best races as Donald Trump say women speak in demonic at Pine Bluff Church arrested <music> own drug charges. <hes> K ATV content partner depan blow commercial reports that a pine bluff woman was arrested on drug related charges Sunday at she began speaking demonic Lee and said someone was going to die at she ended church. She said somebody gotTa Die. Fargo you got to go no Ma'am twenty-eight-year-old Brittany snow McAfee like the the multiple like the virus like the virus protection thing Maccabi <hes> so yeah Britney snow McAfee. I think that's how you pronounce it. <hes> reportedly told Pablo police officers that ver- Dita Burns officer Vanita Burns that Burns Autumn members of our church word all devil children and that she was there to take sole according to the probable cause affidavit when I was burns arrived at the Taylor Chapel <hes> she saw snow McAfee standing beside a truck era in the church driveway talking to a female member congregation. The woman says she had called the police because I remember the con- Gable afraid of Snow Max people because she was talking about the devil. The woman says no McAfee was asked to leave several times but continued causing disturbance. No it's not the worse thing happened in a church recently. So when I was a bird's avenue amax before she said Jesus comply when embarrassed to put a hand Hina back to you is taken in custody snow McAfee also told police that she'd been driving the truck during the inventory doing during the inventory prior to releasing the truck to a record officer burs found a glass smoking pipe that burn marks and included a stuff just that tested positive for ecstasy assessors will be set to the State Crime Laboratory for analysis. She's tried to possession of Kroto substance of drope fair for now you solely conduct in criminal trespassing. She was released on five thousand dollars by care. I guess the race of Brittany Smell McAfee wasn't going to try to game the name of the Church was <hes> a church to <hes> Taylor Chapel White Karen's going with the white. Let's take the chat room see what they believe white as Snow White woman while was at the Juanita the bottom women's conference trying to lay permanent hands black. The White Devil made me do it. Why demons smoke egg EXC- she the White White White Hall Kit surprise it wasn't meth why not apologizing the job and white decorate their church lay out on time? We know what that means. The right answer is and almost everybody got it correct why the yard miss it okay. That's enough audience. Damn did show picture <hes> Um yeah so she did. That's it <hes> I say Oh to our be scared as hell out. The shootings has happened in charges right. I were this'll be doing. Let's see <music> of and Orange County firefighters has been arrested <hes> and being accused of using hidden cameras to spy on his roommate in shower and bed like yep to Orange Coun- though see Orange County firefighters relieved of duty Tuesday that he was arrested in seminole county on voyeurism charges as says away Orange County Florida okay that makes more sense as an Orange County fire rescue spokeswoman say Stephen Brandon Burger thirty eight facing charges of eavesdropping and video voyeurism of a person person older than nineteen. He was arrested Monday by seminole deputies accused said no cameras inside air vents of his roommates bathroom and bedroom. He's been employed by the fire department. I guess there's two thousand six six in a statement <hes> they said that the charges are direct contrast to the core mission values are the Orange County fire rescue department <hes> an administrative here will be scheduled to review the saga says his arrest and determine his immediate employment status the department seven. Oh Debbie's call to brandenburgers home on July night at this. What am I reported to hidden cameras one bathroom facing her shower at another face in her bed? The woman said Eh. Her frail was using her bathroom two days earlier when he noticed one device with an event the France they had a photo of the camera by the time she returned home to camera was gone so that means they maybe they was. He was observing them taking the found out. He sought a solid. I it's curious it took it out that was however a drilled whole left where it was inside the whole where wires which were attached to more wires that led into the Addi there was also like the microphone or small Cameron. Oh which she disconnected and took out the room may says she checked the Arab in her own and discover another camera facing her bed she covered the list posted know until brandenburger left to work again packing things move out of the house. God Damn right man rent as to how would probably say I'm blogging. I won't extra money for the show you being getting okay. I want someone out this rent <hes> when brandenburger his mother who owns the home question why she was leaving. The woman says she taught him about five of the cameras brandenburger told his mother devices were just sensors. The roommate told authorities why he lied to his Mama First of all your Mama House Loser Brandenburg mother believes the camera wire to the home security system that brandenburger monitors as a course were up in up to the adding brandenburgers disciplinary history includes tiredness violation all he was late. Oh he was late two. Oh we gotta go in a verbal y'all toes audited verbal one and the Dashboard camera violation for which he was disciplined with a written reprimand so can I guess the race Stephen Brandenburger Tiger white care has gone with white. Let's check the chat room and see what you guys believe was gone on here white. That was devilish white. Wow some in sales have jobs white no but it's still live with their mothers June white warring Honky Seasons Security Systems White White Castle Burger. The correct Esser is oh these the white maine the. I don't think anyone got that were wrong. How would you like this guy looking at your naked pictures descent? I mean his face. He look at Negga pages out people can send on it right. Oh No you liking like all cameron his hands on his Dick Right now. I can't wait to see her poop. His says like we we could've size now back. We're GONNA leave aluminum top yeah yeah. He got that yeah. You got swoop mayberry swoop no that's when you end up some six shit man you got the mayberry swoop. We all know that means I got bonus round. They download up and all right double points double race in abundance round against the right so far care is to to believe it. I can't but we'll go through for three now. This story's been viral so maybe already seen it obviously in the story out. Maybe we cover is performed two thousand eighteen out in Ohio service things in it to me how you heard about the dude that stole a woman's car on a date to take gossip to the drive in yes. They black right there in this one night. I thought I think we also covered that. One twenty eighteen so on senator I just looked at the day was like wait a minute pull the fast one see this why I get the stories I can't do it. <hes> <hes> I in change the designation for this one two different category meanwhile second for that all right. Let's find a different story. How `bout <hes> Seattle man with more than seventy convictions accused authority copy on a baby today's at this released from jail? What why are they do low their coffee? In Seattle. A Seattle man was a red over the weekend accuser throwing coffee on a baby what kind of coffee just two days after he'd been released from jail at the serving eight months for randomly punching of a man so at least he punches me and and baby's okay the women's alone for now used smoke to anyone who else it <hes> Francisco called her own has been convicted more than seventy times and fourteen dollars convictions were on assault charges good guy the the station citing witnesses reported that cowed around was behaving erratically before the alleged Tacna Seattle's West Lake Park wouldn't say the baby's father tackle cowed around and held him down until the police arrive <hes> late to they <hes> Khaderah was being held on Misdemeanor Charge on felony charge. I was out you know copy on a baby not get felony for that. I have no protections. Coffee was on the medium warm guys. I'm sorry it's decaffeinated so we're not gonNA accountable against he's released without conditions on the felony charge King County District Court Judge Harper said he is be filed <music> out found in Seattle like he has been found him Seattle Municipal Court on a misdemeanor charge he remains attained but not on the felony that is by decision King County Prosecutor's Office as Seattle City Attorney and Carter on receipt a a year long jail sentence for his previous attack at the Nipple Court Judge Ed McKenna rejected a plea deal agreed to about a prosecutor in public defender that widow sentenced to thirty days in jail and a treatment program after that case Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes and director of Public Defense Anita Con Wall McKenna's resignation citing. I share concerned that you are disregarding duty to act with impartiality and jaggery our concerns are based on your repeated comments regarding in this interesting recommendations may by prosecutors roller defense counsel and the problems you perceive in the criminal legal system as well as I kind of your during the citizen of Francisco Kata Wrong McKenna declined to step down right in response. I was elected to the position my my peers and enjoy continue support from the bench. The core as judicial branch of the city government is separate branch and independently elected should act three of outside influence and independent fair impartial judiciary is impervious imperative to preserve and principles of justice and rule of law aw that judge went too hard and they're paying monthly seventy times but he had to write goes out of jail throwing coffee on babies so I'll know but you know Seattle pretty liberal city so maybe that's why I guess the rice wasn't the person's name Francisco called her own Latino okay. Let's take the chat room see what they believe. People Making mocha on a baby the baby mayhem sleepless in Seattle Terra flavor copy Hispanic in Martin Lawrence Boys Dammit outfight a key Latina cts yeah fucking in case Latino a damn a Demon Latino Italian. The baby called him a wetback for him to throw the Coffee Latino Latino but a lot of cream in his waterslide black mm and it looks like some you guys have it both ways but I have to say care you're wrong. He's white person they say why they got it right the guys times that's clearly a white man seventy times. He didn't go to jail. I may might be a white pass Martino but the white so they can see yes. I can do not take that all right guys last thing let's go to sword regionals and get Outta here. I write a New Jersey. Man who had neighbor was sore over block driveway sinister State Prison Jarrett Rosano thirty six and of Manville in Somerset County was finished Friday. The seven years was second degree aggravated assault conviction. He's also soon as eighteen months in prison fourth degree unlawful possession of a weapon convention talking about that's what I'm talking about lock him up after nine one one call about assault place at ten twenty eight P._M.. On June thirteen Colorado find a man with deep cuts on the are at the investigation discovered. I know arrived home to fight. His driveway partially blocked by car. When the trouble began he went to a house across the street demand at the Karbi move according to prosecutors I was never apologized smoothest car but that didn't satisfy resign no they convicted convicted mandate called his neighbor to driveway and hacked the sword the victim I forty year old man suffered head wounds Saturday elbow to almost seven fingers? He had to have several surgeries at the being taken to a area trauma center. I'm surprised he came out of over there. Did you see the sword and came over there anyway or the prosecutor's office as Adema serve eighty five centers before being eligible for parole either the no early released act yeah. He shouldn't get out early. Fuck Him Kinda crazy shit. Is that someone block the driveway your neighbor they gotta lived at that. You your whole life away because you couldn't enter your fucking. Most of them are black driveway thanksgiving. I mow time idiot prison reform that Shit Outta my face anyway zero to what hydrocare's that's how I feel. I feel fuck with it anyway. It till the next time also this week is going to be similar last week. We'll see if we can do shows. It'll depend on schedule at work with her. New Job and I know tomorrow. You're going to have to get a late start because we gotta take the car to the.