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Leviathan (1989) | George P. Cosmatos

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29:32 min | 1 year ago

Leviathan (1989) | George P. Cosmatos

"Ooh! ooh! I welcome to around the world in eighty s movies. My name is Vince Leo I am the author of the film. Review website quit dot net. I've been doing film review since Nineteen ninety-six successful. It's coming up on twenty five years now, and you can read all of my written work there at that website dot net. I also have a link to another podcast at a do. That has nearly four hundred episodes you. You could listen to their that covers films that have come out within the last four to five years, or so it's called the quit stor film, review podcast and find that link at Quip stor dot net today I'm going to be getting into the first of a three part series kind of kicking off from humanoids from the deep, which was part of my last series. We have another humanoid nemesis part fish part human. For the next film I'm going to be talking about from Nineteen eighty-nine, the exact end of the nineteen eighties from humanoids from the deep. This one is called. Leviathan and that is going to be kicking off this three part series. Looking at films featuring crews working underwater for most of them, all of them are science fiction films, Leviathan is an R. rated film. It does have some creature, violence, terror, disturbing images and language, including some sexual references and brief nudity. The run time is an hour and thirty eight minutes Peter Weller Amanda Pays Ernie Hudson Richard Crna Hector. L. Is Ondo Daniel Stern make foster Michael carmine and Lisa Albuquerque are in the film. The director is George, P, because mottos and the screenplay credited to David, Webb peoples and Jeb, Stuart, so the plot of leviathan involves it sets sometime in the near future which is in the vibe of the science fiction. Of course we're following this crew of eight, and they're on their last few days of their stint working for this deep sea silver mining operations off the coast of Florida and they're on the ocean floor. One of the crewmembers stumbles upon this wreck of a mysterious Russian ship that's emblazoned with the Russian word for Leviathan and that ship has sunk in. They subsequently find out that it was probably ambushed by their own navy. They've looted the cargo that was on board the ship and in so doing the crew inadvertently brings back the remnants of this genetic experiment that's gone awry and now on their own vessel, something very dangerous has been set loose upon the underwater abode. Is killing them in gruesome in nightmarish ways. Now! The origin of Leviathan involves David Webb peoples shortly after he completed the screenplay to blade runner, David Webb peoples began to write the screenplay to what would become Leviathan. His original script did differ from the plot I adjust read insignificant ways. This was of course in the early days of this property. People's had envisioned that his film would be very dark, aesthetically as well as domestically, but this film going to involve no natural. Natural Light, these characters were down there at the bottom of the ocean, ten thousand plus feet below the ocean, where sunlight does not penetrate, and the suits that the humans would be wearing. They would give their faces some light, but everything around them would be pitch dark just as it would be. If you were going to be at the bottom of the ocean now in people's original story, the characters would find this bottle with. With dried up insects inside. They would open it. These insects would come to life, and they would escape, and they would wreck havoc on this unsuspecting crew, and the creatures were not going to ever be a big monster. They were more like parasites to get into the humans and fatal ways now when James Cameron announced shortly after the release of aliens that is next feature film was going to be a big budget epic underwater. Underwater adventure that caused many film producers to scramble. They wanted to put together their own underwater terror properties that they could use to ride the anticipation for what would eventually become the abyss now people script was already out there. That was one such script, and so it was immediately bought out by the producers of Die Hard Lawrence and Charles Gordon for their Gordon Company. They hoped that they could tap into the anticipation for. For the abyss with something very similar of their own, so a nine, hundred eighty seven Gordon Company they started shopping this project around with the people script, and they eventually landed at Dino del Renta's company. The della Rentis Entertainment, group DG they were in dire straits financially they were only looking for sure things, and so they were sold that this dark horror thriller that took place underwater that they could ride the height that they. They felt would naturally exist for cameras next week. Feature the abyss that seemed a very viable option to them at the time better than what they had going so digi picked up Leviathan from the Gordon Company and they all began the process of developing it as a commercial property and DG's first task was to corral an experienced director. Dino Diller Rentis assigned the task to Rambo for Split Partisan George because Matos who was pulled? Pulled from his costly digi. Production called China Marines the subsequently cancelled that as being way too expensive, and they weren't really guaranteed any return, so they took cuss models off of that, and put it on what they felt would be this shore thing, and because models like the storyline. When he heard it, he welcomed the move because there were no guns at all in this story, he didn't WanNa be pigeonholed like China Marines would. Would have pretty much cemented into doing explosive action films the rest of his life because he had just done Rambo to in Cobra for Sylvester Stallone, and this was at least something different. After reading the script 'cause mottos, he brought in the that original screenwriter David Webb peoples, and he requested some major changes that he wanted to make to that script, because models wanted the story to conform to Cameron's prior film Aliens People's. He tried to make it work, but he found that the changes that cause modest wanted. We're very unreasonable, so he eventually abandoned the project thinking he was not going to be able to produce what because models wanted not to make things work to the director satisfaction. The Gordon's instead brought in the CO writer for Diehard Jeb Stuart to overhaul the people script now for many years after the making of Leviathan People's really disavowed Leviathan he refused to even watch it, but one day many years. Years later, curiosity did get the better of him, so he gave it a go, and in watching the film for the first time he came to the conclusion that his original leviathan premise was actually very problematic, and he could see that he had made some mistakes in his storytelling, but he also saw that the filmmakers compounded on his own problems by adopting his mistakes, but then adding even more mistakes of their own and given that the result was as sub-standard film. Di- failed both critically. Critically and financially, people's says that Leviathan is not something that he's proud of having his name on, and doesn't really talk about it that much, when you discuss his career now moving forward DG's financial difficulties did finally get the better of them. They had to abandon the Leviathan shortly after developing the JEB Stuart revised script. Luigi de la Renta's the older brother of Dino and Luigi Son. Aurelio, the nephew of the they were offered to take it up for their own production company film out. Out Oh, but they lacked the funds to really buy it outright, so keep the film and family hands the help fill now to acquire the rights into finance it in exchange for obtaining the international distribution rights, so Leviathan does mark because Matas first film that he did in the since nineteen seventy six's Cassandra crossing, it was shot primarily in China, Cheetah which is the largest film studio in Europe base there in Rome. Additional shooting would also have to be done in Malta, because they. They had some very large water tanks that could be used proximate lead. The size of fifty swimming pools in these tanks allowed for tightly controlled underwater shooting while additional exterior ocean shoots would be filmed near Cancun Mexico Phil motto hit turbulence though early on eighteen of Cheetah. After signing an agreement with the Cruise Union to extend their workdays to include Saturdays many of the Union members there felt that this was not negotiated with their consent, so they decided to go on strike and the effectively. Effectively shutdown all filmmaking in Italy by doing sales so within a week an agreement did get reached to satisfy all parties enough to continue now other than that strike early publicity on Leviathan was kept to a minimum was pretty much a secret project. They wanted to avoid competitors speeding up their own productions to get into theaters before Leviathan, so mum was the word. The labyrinthine set remained closed to the press as well as the public for the first two months of its production they. They opened it up somewhat toward the last couple of weeks of the shoot when the press was allowed in, they interviewed because models of course, and he can fast that Leviathan he felt was the most difficult film that he had ever made in his career, and that there were times in that he felt that he was going to crack from the pressure of making it the main difficulty 'cause mottos was his constant tug of war with his crew, especially visual effects crew that was run. Run by Stan Winston, Studios Stan Winston Studio of course they had a lot of clout in the industry. They were effectively able to pick their own projects. In fact, Stan Winston was sought by both the makers of Leviathan as well as James Cameron for the abyss, and Winston would have preferred working with Cameron again they'd worked together for films like the Terminator and Aliens, but he had kind of a personal interest in making Leviathan instead because after completing his first directorial effort. PUMPKIN head. Winston wanted more opportunities to direct more films, so he chose Leviathan because because mottos promised Winston to take over the second unit director duties, and this film was scheduled to finish production much sooner than the abyss, and that allowed Winston the opportunity to direct another project, he was offered called a gnome named norm, which turned out to be not so great of A. A move for his career. In fact, I think it was the last film that he directed now trying to envision what life might be like for humans who are living at the bottom of the deep sea that required a lot of forethought, so Winston worked very closely with Kaz Motto in looking at a collection of pictures that depicted deep sea fish life. In all their ugly glory usually, and they also combine that with books on anatomy human anatomy, and they drew up a lot of mockups for what they felt should be the look of their main creature, eventually, combining many of those mockups into this unified idea, Ivy hybridize monster now as Winston, also did effects for eight and. He wanted to stray away from copycatting those films in their look in their design as much as he could, but mottos, he really strongly felt that Winston should get as close as possible with what worked to those films, because models often argued about the look of Winstons gration stay bicker constantly, not only in front of Kubat in front of the cast, and despite all of this bickering, all of the efforts, all of this sweat blood tears that they put into it Winston. Winston and his staff when the film finally did come out, they were surprised by just how little of their meticulous work was represented on the screen. It really had a creature that didn't have a lot of screen time. It's limited to small glimpses even though they poured so much effort into sculpting just the right look in choreographing just the right movements for that creature wrong Cobb was brought in for production design as he did so effectively as our designer for the aforementioned. Really bringing in a lot of the makers here for what because models wanted to do, cobb did find it because models was too overbearing to work for long especially because he insisted that the film follow almost to a T., the formula of alien, so Cobb didn't want anything to do within anymore. He left the project during the late pre production phase in favor of James, Cameron's the abyss bill skinner took over where Ron Cobb left off, but the followed so much Cobb's original designs as much as possible. That cop still received credit for his production design for a Leviathan. Now sets were enclosed, and they were also very claustrophobic. Very few of the cast or crew saw daylight most of the time day after day during their shoot, which made it very hard to deal with in the long-term boredom would often overtake these actors. They had a great deal of time sitting around waiting for the sets or waiting for the effects team to set up this Italian film crew made it very challenging for Winston to convey precise instructions. They often required the effects team to have to draw pictures on paper of what they wanted from scene to scene, and these Italians also had a very different work ethic than the American counterparts had copious amounts of red wine with their meals. Meals and they occasionally did get the Hollywood crew to join in which tended to make for us, sometimes unproductive time on the set. The shoot was also contain to a tight six weeks, so when things seemed to be falling behind because of the delay's sake continuously had to rearrange the schedule to the point, where few knew what they were actually going to be working on from day to day now the Winston, studios dive suits. They were designed by Steve Berg. They were constant source for consternation. The actors complain persistently due to the prolonged discomfort that they felt within those suits. The seats were not only difficult to be in, but they were difficult to get on and off so they. They would have to stay in these bulky and very heavy suits for hours with limited movement, they would frequently overheat those suits, so they had to have cold air pumped in between takes, and they could not use their hands to hold thing, so they would have to be spoon-fed when they needed to eat or drink while they were in those suits. I'm not even going to get into what they might have done for using the restroom so now there wasn't much of a stunt budget, so these actors were asked to perform many of their own stance, including some involving being in water or around fire, Effects Hector, Elizondo. He said he came close to losing his life when a technician pressed. Pressed the wrong button and this hydraulic that was attached above the head of his dive suit that he was wearing started to crush him, and luckily they figured out that issue in the nick of time. Amanda pays stated that the physical demands were so difficult on the actors that if the ever made a Leviathan to, and they wanted her to return bay would have to pay her a fortune. Now. The Optical Effects Supervisor Kerry, Nolan, he had experienced simulating underwater action without actually being in the water, using a combination of lighting and smoke and floating things in the air to try to mimic being submerged on the ocean floor actors in these deep sea seats they do not have to. To perform underwater because of this clever dry for wet system, they're suspended on wires to try to mimic the buoyancy of underwater movement while the lighting is used to make the environs seem like the Blue Green Ocean, although technically I guess it should be pitch black at that depth, but there are some creative license there now while the air was blown in to try to kick up these cut up feathers to simulate plankton and other little things floating around them, you know that allowed them to shoot in and around this massive record, the Leviathan without needing to build a Gargantuan tank at great expense, just for this one off movie, and it also allowed them to avoid expensive diving equipment and. And the laborious training in Scuba instruction for all of the cast and crew who could wear these fiberglass mockup suits? These suits were made with football padding underneath and the helmets they were bought out from the nineteen eighty-four film, the to two thousand one space, Odyssey, called twenty ten, and to get the feeling of the buoyancy of being at the bottom of the ocean, and also the way to these suits, the dry for wet sequences were shot at forty eight frames per second, and that gave the appearance of very slow movements when played at the standard twenty four frames per second for motion pictures. The problem though was that they found that the feathers that they wanted to use to. To Resemble Plankton, they tended to drop straight down instead of swirl in the air, and he covered the sand on the ground with looked like they were just piling up on the feet nick. Alder, who won an Academy Award for his work on Alien. He came up with this alternate solution. It involved candle Alati which you are. These fireworks that were originally produced for cooking while camping in this process had also been used by Italian filmmakers for many years to simulate snow, so they would utilize these slow-burning candles they were wrapped in paper and solid alcohol, and they would blow out the smoldering flame, and that produced fine, white ash flakes that floated in the air for several minutes they. They would swirl around anytime. Somebody moved past and eventually operated when it hit the floor, so it was very perfect what they were trying to do now. The ocean floor that was expensive, so they didn't want. It piled on with others you know. Two hundred tons of sand were shipped in from an Italian beach for this shoot, so they wanted to utilize that bellows were put into the feet of their suits so that when the actors step down on those bellows, it would puff up sand just like the sand that would be kicked up when they stepped on the bottom of the ocean. Not Leviathan for better or worse, it's exactly what because models wanted it to be which was? Clone there's a dash here and there of John Carpenter's the thing. If you like the thing, you'll definitely find a lot that you'll recognize here if you mix those with a a recurring Pepsi. COMMERCIAL, I mean the product placement for that. Soft drink is off the charts in Leviathan. It substitutes space for the deep sea here, the genetic experimentation instead of an alien infestation, but it's pretty much the same. Same thing that you've seen before in space but underwater here now we have the same motley crue of Companyman of company women, the same gory bodily manifestations, same isolated labyrinthine set design, the same hybridize monster, the same, the same underlying Anti Corporation commentary I mean it's all in. There is every bit as derivative as I'm making it sound so even with emulating the formula of these better films and. And getting the jump on the abyss, though Leviathan was in the end a box office failure. I mentioned that earlier at the time of its release. It only earned fifteen million dollars of its twenty five million dollars budget back in the United States and part of this could be attributed to being beat to the punch by another film that basically did the same thing as them in many respects that. That was called deep star six and it came out in January just a couple of months before the release of Leviathan, so people were not wanting to come back for another round, especially, since star six was not very well regarded by critics or fans, and Leviathan also happened to be lost in anticipation for that higher profile, James Cameron film the abyss that would come out later the same year. This film is also probably to disgusting for most mainstream audiences. It has very grotesque, but transformations wounds that opened up to reveal sharpen gnarly fangs within them, and this monster that consists of torsos and limbs and faces of the victims that it all fuses up into one entity. It's kind of like the least appealing science fiction horror film around. If you're not in order to that sort of thing, visually, you're turned off by body. Horror I. Definitely don't think you're going to get a lot here at that. You want to see, but of course if you do that sort of thing I guess you'll get what you like. Now. The direction here by George because mottos. I do think that he shows some poor instincts with this kind of material. I do like him in other films, but here I feel he just got lost in cuss models. Himself would often admit while he was on the city. He was not really sure what he was doing. Especially when it came to the technical side of the filmmaking, which most of this film is kind of a technical way to construct a movie so even with his arguments. Arguments on making sure that they follow the path of alien, he pretty much. The effects in the production teams do their own thing with a degree of increased Otani on how to achieve that end as long as the end result was what he wanted. He was happy with whatever they needed to do to make that happen so instead of trying to play for this genuinely frightening motion picture here. He instead played up of camp. Very half-heartedly Barth inducing. Factor to get over the story and character issues that were there in the script. This molly cast of characters is rife with the typical stereotypes that you can imagine at no time. Does this you know actually very? Humble of actors exhibit the kind of Camaraderie that you would expect from a tight knit who've been living in close quarters with only each other to talk to for about twelve weeks, and it's not that we expect necessarily you know Strong Academy Award Worthy performances given that they had such horrendous half. jokey lies to spew in the middle of what's supposed to be this dark and sinister and gory excursion, but none of them really strike a resonant core throughout they have. Have little moments here and there, but for the most part it's kind of all wash. Even the underutilized Hector Alesando who I enjoy in almost any film I don't think he's used as well as he could hear Ernie Hudson he delivers probably the most one-liners during these times of abject horror. really takes you out of the Morbid tone of the film time and again including especially toward the end when he quits about. Oh what a bad day! He's having so. This movie doesn't take itself seriously really at all, even though it plays out mostly serious for about eighty percent of the run time, let's and did join the cast because he didn't have to audition, he wanted to bring his family to see Rome in Malta. This kind of like an extended vacation for all of them. You know he was not a swimmer, though that was kind of the downside, so a lot of the scenes that were meant to show him in the water, just show him just getting out of it and later on, he would talk about in interviews that he thinks part of the reason why this film was not well regarded by the public or the critics. Ties in. With his character's demise at the climax of this film, which was completely unnecessary in his opinion, and as well as the opinion of many others that he saw the film with cuss models did put his character's death, because he felt that they needed a big surprise at the end, but by that point Hudson felt that. You know the Black Guy Dying in a horror film. That was cliche. Black people almost never made it through our movies so especially the way that he dies randomly by this shark that happens to be in the area instead of by the main nemesis. It would have been a much bigger surprise if his character survived Hudson argue so now. Meanwhile, Daniel Stern plays the most loathsome of the comic relief characters of them. them all. He's kind of this beyond belief. Pervert named six pack. I don't know why the name six pack. It's never really explained. Maybe he likes to drink beer or something, but no one calls him anything else, but six packing this movie. The corporation themselves printed six pack on his diving suit instead of his real name like everybody else, which is kind of a quandary. This character would have been fired from. Just about any job for the kind of sexual harassment that he perpetuates every single time that he's in the room with any woman and Poor Amanda pays also known as Mrs Corbin Bernsen. She was married to Corbin during this time, and still is to this day. She has to disrobe to her undergarments several times for no other reason than for pure audience titillation. Peter Weller here working with because models. He'd worked with him before in a movie. Movie called of unknown origin cosmas very high in that film. He felt that of unknown origin was one of his best films, and Peter Weller gave one of the best performances. He added any one of his films, so he thought this was the strongest actor that he'd worked with. He wanted to get him on board and he also liked Richard Crna from Rambo first blood part two, so he was also cast. A Willard can play a very. Very convincing oddball in his films. He doesn't really fit in here I do think as the Stele charismatic chief who's supposed to represent the rational hero here. He's wisecracking instead of emoting at the tensest of moments, and that's really one of my main beasts for this film. It's like a movie that you're supposed to be invested in, but it never gives you the adequate suspense. It doesn't give you the characters that are even in tune with what's. What's going on for the most part so the only thing that I remembered I saw this movie back in Nineteen Ninety, so when I hit home video, and the one thing that kind of lasted from the film was that the friend that I saw it with. We would refer to the sickly feeling that we had after eating bad food as i. have the Leviathan feeling jokingly. I really can't remember if that reference had been due to the. Nausea that was shared among the film's characters who were mutating internally in there and the look on their faces, as if they had bad food like we did, or maybe it was because of the nauseous result of actually watching this movie that we found disgusting, but I can tell you in this long incoming rewatch here for the purpose of this review that the answer does work for both I. Think the film's Climax and the ending are the worst aspects of this film. This film is really average to below average in my estimation for the most part, but the final half hour features such absurd developments the ignore. Ignore primary dangers like oxygen deprivation like decompression sickness, it even tosses in that shark attack right there to up the ante, as if having this massive in vomit is men, fish monstrosity that could potentially infect and wipe out the human race, if it were on the surface, formidable or scary enough to be the main villain. We have to have this chart randomly appear a jump shot with an explosive, a one liner that rips off jaws, a literal punchline at the end of the movie or just one more kick to the Gut for those few movie. Fans I think that are left. WHO HAVE TO MANAGE INDOOR? In what here is little more than he rotting dish of cinematic Somma Bendy, so like its main monster I think Leviathan is repulsive. It's Manga leist fusing of the bodies of works of several other, far more appealing entities. I think it's just as hard to look at from a visual standpoint as it is hard to stomach in its action, so this is a movie that I. Know has its fans, and they know that some of you listening right now are probably big fans of Leviathan. Why would you listen to a half hour of me talking about it unless you felt some affection for it, but for me? This is not one of those movies that I think very highly of. Of So I, not somebody who would recommend it to most people, except for people who are really antibody, or they really are kind of ignored the kind of Schlock that rips off so many other Sifi premises in fact, if you watch the SCIFI channel and all of these movies that have as jokey attitude and really rip off about a dozen other sci fi films. I think your probably the audience for this, but for most filmgoers I do think that by. Is Not going to be a very great time at the movies and everybody who made this movie pretty much thinks the same thing in terms of feeling that they were making a bad movie so the best. I'm going to give the very best. It's kind of a borderline between one and a half stars, but because I've seen it multiple times. Give it the higher. The two grades at Two stars out of four stars on Ice Kilmeade said it's lacking something vital that we keep it from being a movie that I can recommend to enough people to give it kind of a pass, and what is really missing here is inspiration. They started this film by trying to RIP OFF A. A movie before it came out and ended up ripping off a bunch of movies that had already come out in order to do that and we'll have left. Here is kind of a contempt for the audience was ravenous for a certain kind of movie, and they're just going to throw in a checklist of things that worked before, but worked very much better in other movies. Especially of the nineteen eighty two stars out of four is the very best I can give Leviathan now. Now obviously, you're to have your own thoughts on Leviathan if you're somebody who champions this movie for any reason. If you think that this is, movie should be regarded better or on the same level as alien or aliens or the thing or even the other films that came out around the same time you can write to me. You can find my contact information all at my website instagram twitter feed facebook page email. I do think is the best way to get in touch. Touch with me can find that contact information at Quip Stir Dot Net WIP s. t. e. r. Dot net now if you know what three movies came out the Kelly in nineteen, eighty nine, that were really in the same, actually you could mention five or six movies that all had the same premise this year, but the three main ones are the ones I'm. GonNa be talking about here, so I'm going to get into one I've actually mentioned in this very review star six. Before Leviathan couple months before that will be the review, I do next so if you haven't seen deep star, six actually will be a first time watch for me. Even though I've seen Leviathan I've seen many many times. Deep Star six will be the first time that I watch it for next week's episode so I. Hope you'll check it out. Not necessarily well regarded, but I'm GONNA. Keep an open mind as I get into it, and we'll see if it's at least as good or as bad. As Leviathan and you'll hear about that on the next episode until next. Thank you so much for listening and joining me on this trip around the world. In movies.

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Episode 216 The Yarn Wall

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Ask some type of clear mucus disturbing some type of. I was so afraid mosquitoes weren't going to be able to not be late this year. Yeah i've made them a quite a little spread over here. I saw them take away a cat earlier. Many of how many mosquitoes or how many cats both but a cat weighs. I don't know what six pounds or something very small isn't that. What a human headways. What the kids require. Yeah how did he know that. Fucking low serial killer. Yeah i don't know Well the guy that. I'm talking about today He was up to some weird shit when he was like seven. Probably speaking of children. My wife has been watching a netflix. Tv show and it has grown up kid from the six cents out of his name off the top of my head. Yeah Yeah that guy. His eyes are too close together. Runaway i i know i've said this before but it's not so much it's that he still has his face from when he was like five is on it but the rest of his body is in its late twenties early thirties. And we're talking about haley. Joel osmond yeah. Why couldn't they is such a specific name anyway and then we started watching. It's always sunny and matt. When he's fat they look exactly the same. They look like think it'd be bizarre when they break down into song and dance. When it's the pinnacle of mac being fat episode. Yeah i just watch that and that is amazing. That is the funniest funniest shit. But it's funny that you bring up the sixth sense. Because i was on i was gonna talk about 'em night shamlan. Oh a minute okay. So i watched the trailer for the movie. Old coming out k yes. Do you know what i'm talking about. It all vaguely just his newest joint right. And it's about a family that just goes to a beach side. I guess secluded place and they just age very very quickly There's even a tease to a woman who's pregnant and you know we've talked about this accelerated like feel stage the have dame we we call it by something celebrated fetal stage. I kind of like that but No i got nothing better than that. Nothing's accelerated fetal stage. I could be a lot funnier today. And i know i'm going to restrain i'm restraining myself. Thank you so much. I feel like i've been to funny lately. Yeah we've gotten zero emails saying that you were just the people. Were like our wrecking. Their cars just spitting hot coffee onto their children. Tone it down. I'm just kidding. There's nobody listening to this except for except for me because you don't listen to melt. We do have a dedicated listener And he recommended a movie for us to watch and we have failed to watch it. We have not watched it yet. I want to say because it does look i. It's one of those odd ones that i think just Neon maniacs right correct. That's one of those weird ones. That just got passed me somehow. I don't i don't know how i never. I've talked about this in an earlier episode. Because i fell asleep to at one night and i think i had to turn it because i was never going to go to bed. Yeah yeah. I think that's what happened. Yeah but i do. Recall there being an extensive Band playing on a stage. When the maniacs were attacking. I swear Probably wrong but i swear they were using squirt guns to tick. You'll these things so anyway. Interesting nick we will get to your movie soon. I promise you we will get around to talking about neon maniacs I have failed you this week. Though him on my man went. Wait a minute. So were they was like a lost voice situation with a squirting. Holy water on I don't just wories. Maniacs actually have names and i just wash the trailer for just a not ten minutes ago. And they have named like there's hangman. You know an alkyl archer. There's the sword knows. I don't know my i was kind of not paying it in a guy named basil and What's the neon part. They they all live in the golden gate. Bridge right yes. Yeah that's like the main. Is there any on the golden gate bridge. I don't think so. Do parts of these maniacs glow like a neon now is it just neon because eighty maybe as probably it. Yeah trapper keeper trapper keeper. That's the only thing you can think of when you set eighty s. I fought like that that like graph kind of grid and then like a laser and maybe like a silver ball or something. Yes you were added roller rink as what you were saying. No what is young to roller rink. Now i just always think about my trapper keeper. When i was like like fifth grade or something so cool. You know you'd get on ebay and try to find those things that they want. I mean of course everything like you know pop culture in nostalgic like that they just can charge whatever but it can. They're they're making money off of our age group. Yeah yeah that stuff. That's just hardwired in there and we're buying that's bad. I just posted actually my personal page. It was a bunch of lunchbox metal lunchbox Back in the eighties enough. And i didn't have one. I think it was one of those things that i wish i could have. Had the only the cool had in here. I am brown bagging. Wishing that i could be as cool as somebody with a metal lunch pail. Yep would you have ghostbusters or possibly m- ask you know mask the like transformers or the the how. Now you're not talking about eric. Stoltz nano not share them on my god. Sam elliott and eric stoltz with giant. Was that kid's name ricky. Or here's good don't remember hissy his mug on a service. Yeah i i no longer want. This sued rusty no rocky rocky shares name. Rusty is his mom's name of course is oh my god. Did you know a still. Getty is in that. Richard dice heart laura dern harry carey junior. Whoa kelly jo minter. You're gonna talk yourself into one to watch this now. Wow you're on thin ice right now buddy. Peter bogdonovich directed exactly. Is it really a bogdonovich. Really is just talking about him for some reason really. Yes because why was talking about. It just does not matter note. Nobody cares us. And maybe nick they neck. They're just hold on a minute. Were get into it all right okay. I can't find though. I'm clicking it off. A why is peter bogdanovich on it chapter to might saw that too. How's it we're going to have enough stuff to talk about anyway. No mask the cartoon where the that really cool toys mocha van would turn into like a van with wings or something look it up look it up meat. Heads google it. Let's go and get this party started. Okay we've wasted enough time clear. I think we have already welcome to the yarn wall. It always surprises me. When you announce podcast. I had to think for a second. Are we doing a movie this week. I was like i was shit. Which one is this. Is this a yarn walzer movie. I'm so confused. We just came off of watching the sentinel but we took an extra time between the recording. This so it's been like forever now have to re familiarize familiarize myself with this movie. Yup and with me as always is jason walker high thirty minutes later. I should have waited till the end introduce you. Yeah you should have. But hey i do wanna talk about the sentinel for a minute. Okay now hey wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute. Stop you right there. I don't know what you're doing. God dammit you sound a little tinny maybe well. That doesn't matter when i'm on city baby titty baby you were just having a little bit of that like robot reever out but now i can't hear it so much sworn to tell you before we got to. It's not like i'm recording like that. So oh i'm the only one that can hear wait. Never mind jason. We have forgotten how phones were computers. Work i don't know how this all seems like matt here like i talked to you for an hour or four and somehow i produce a podcast. I just found out what bluetooth right before we started the podcasts. Not what i thought it was. You thought it was something industry right. It's it's a condition of you have bluetooth can either let it fall out on. Its own get a bad case of bluetooth. You gotta get that bluetooth. Look that that bothers that hurt. It looks painful. Okay all right so this sentinel oh man we just finished watching the sentinel and i think we didn't give it enough justice. We kind of decided that you know whether it's fair or not. The it was kind of a low rent. Rosemary's baby i probably so because you're not the first person to bring that up and you know the devil was just was. Just burgess meredith. What if he had been the devil at the end will actually. That's what i was. Reading is that he was supposed to be a satan character. God that's perfect. I just wish they had told us that if they could have given him just at least some redder skin the end with some little horns that would apply this. Watch him clattering around on a massive in awesome that would've lended greater ending. Oh my god but so have. Henry forgot already forgot his name. Jeffrey hammer butts okay. He wrote three books the sentinel being the first and then the guardian and then the apocalypse okay and that was the trilogy of the stories and no. Don't get confused with the guardian is being the movie the guardian about is it tree rape rebecca d. Martinez bubis yeah. I'm not exactly sure what that movie was about. And i looked it up for this. And i totally disregarded it. Yeah but we know what the sentinel is. And i think it was the first book in this trilogy but i think they changed the story just a little bit. The guardian reads evil is raging on the twentieth floor of an apartment building on the west side in an open window. A hideous blind none perpetually gazing watching a body burned beyond recognition then two more murders strangely connected and they discover a beautiful young woman raped her innocent child exposed to horror. It goes on and on. And i'm like this sounds so convoluted already. Yeah and it also is the like opening of the sentinel with the. This guy is scared of buildings. I think and blind people and i think all three books kind of started out the same and people were given it some reviews and talking about it being. It's a slow burn. I mean this movie is a slow burn as well. Oh it's like almost comes to a stop at some points. Did freaking serandon kill his wife and his that just side plot. That didn't even need to be brought up because it absolutely went nowhere in the store. Yeah i think they just kind of ran out of their dislike. I don't know. I don't know but you are very right that he looked very much a pedophile. With that mustache. Some people should not have mustaches. Nice senate. I don't wanna like mustache. Shame mineta actually takes an effort to make it look like that you know to make the only person that can wear that that i would respect. Like raul julia. I think yeah. I think his was more pronounced though. Yeah he was going for something though. It was a very certain. Look i was just going to bring up. pink flamingos. I'm john waters. John waters for as for where mustache go. John waters mustache might be more disturbing to me than any mustache existence. He led a fourteen year old boy like color. That i am afraid of mustaches. Like maybe i'm a mustache phobia. Alam there has to be one. There has to be a word for that. I'll look it up. Our is loose dash phobia scared of urban. Dictionary says republican phobia. Not making this up. Is the fear of beards. Okay i love it. it says what causes pagoda phobia. And it's like well somebody with a mustache probably or somebody with a beard. Probably kick your ass or i have traumatizing beard event. Clean cut all that out man. It's so easy to slip down these rabbit holes. Yes tonight for some reason. I don't know if my will is weaker tonight. And i just need to get to the bottom of something. We talk about mustaches for five to twelve minutes. Nobody else is gonna do it. Who else is talking about this shit. Nobody money here here all right. The third book from jeffrey converts is the apocalypse with it says the shattering sequel to the sentinel she was the sole barrier between humanity and the forces of satanic evil. Pent up since the fall from grace hers was the most terrible penance of all chosen for her sins that she committed to a living death. A blind nightmare in which the only reality was the reality of her demonic adversary and the awful powers that had been now had been endowed to constrain him. I it's so convoluted that that is a At her definition of word salad I might be having a stroke. That was from vault of evil. By the way brit horror pulps plus and i was reading from good reeds on the guardians of be. Wanna look that shit up and see what they have to say but did she do any of that stuff i will. That's water her since she was like she tried to commit suicide. That's what my question that was sin. They were pending on her. But was it also the particular sin that the previous guardians had done to be in her place. That's my question. Did any of that just makes sense. What were the sins of the previous sentinels. Well i mean in the carribean family. You know i mean take your pick. You're just born into sin. Yeah sorry kind of say something. But david kerr dean. But i keep it to myself. I think it was When i was reading here on criminal element dot com the sentinel. You had me at gateway to hell. It's an article in two thousand thirteen. I think that's where i was reading where it was breaking down the fact. That burgess meredith was supposed to be satan in this store it. Just if they had spent power much money for whatever type of special effect they could have had back then. I just to make his eyes glow a little. That would have been creepiest. Fuck i think. So if you would traded roles with william hickey would he have made on our evil. God satan and ringmaster of hill. That is my project as my art project. Hotel weekend is giving william hickey. Glowing red eye or cat's is maybe he's got cats i Deniro at the end of that little kid they were holding in angel heart. He just pointing at. You is some weird fucking is. Yeah that may be pissed my pants. Ooh what a great movie though. Let's talk about that one of these days. We will have to but first. Let's talk about william hickey. Let's talk about him forever. We talked about him kind of in depth before just because he's such an interesting guy that has looked like he was seventy since he was twenty. These in the guinness book of world records for having the longest teeth of any there like an inch. Long little known facts should be more known. But william hickey only five six little bit guy. I've loved him in several movies but he has been in a wheelchair in many movies too. Yeah he's played the feeble old guy. I think for the last thirty years. Maybe that's partly like his actress choice but partly like he's like. Hey they'll please let me sit here. You know. I mean that sounds i. Don't mind being typecast. Yes it on my ass and have people push me around that's awesome. How many times has he died or been dead. He's like a weakened bernie's kind of just. He is in almost all of his movies. The very first thing you click on on fotos is an episode of wings. Where i think he is just dead in an airplane so it looks like it. Tony shalhoub is next door okay. This is weird. I assume this is a horror movie. I've never heard of it. I don't think but one of the photos on. Imdb is him in a movie from ninety one called the rune stones and he looks practically dewey like he looks younger in this in one than he did in the spent all i have never heard of the rune stone note and the box. Art is in fucking credible. This has joan severance lawrence tyranny. Loving alexander goodenow alexander. Good enough Greg wrangler now agreeing. Well you're the berry in the lead the main characters peter reichert repeater reiger. Who the fuck is he is from animal house and he was in The mask my god. Yeah every time is a flat circle. I guess he was an oscar. A shows up in some weird movies. Local heroes really good. I have to look into him. He's done a bunch of movies though. Anyway william hickey. Probably some his best films for me. I have seen forget paris. Many many times I don't know if you've ever seen that. That was billy crystal and debra winger. Oh i don't think i've ever seen. He's a basketball referee. Okay i kind of remember that. I think this has everybody in joe montana. Richard masseur g. lee crab ner nicole. Yeah as a lot of people. And they're talking about this love affair of mickey and ellen. It's enjoyable it's cute But william hickey plays debra winger aged father slash grandfather. I'm not really sure okay. 'cause i thought for a second. I thought you meant william. Hickey was a basketball and that works at a retirement home. A lot of basketball foul got another broken ankle. Throw on the pile. He's got a cigar hanging out at his mouth. Will it up and down the back in court in a wheelchair. Somebody else's pushing him. How i can hear him say yes Anyway i forget paris he just would repeat things that he saw Billy crystal's driving him somewhere and he just keeps looking at stuff he's like you want it. You got it toyota. That was his thing. Like i elderly Rainman or something. Yeah but it drove. Billy crystal mad and it was kinda fun. I could see that. So anyway william. Hickey was also in tells me the dark side. Cora the cat from hell yeah. I love that yet but that was still you know. That's eighty six. Nineteen ninety tells me the dark side of the moon is an episode of the tv show to the eighties. tv show. jesse was He was andrei to lawn in. Puppet master eighty nine andrei To andrea to lawn was the puppet master. Oh okay now. Don't get me on that yet. Go down some more on the band averse to talk about. So we'd said we were gonna ring this and a little bit and get a little tighter with our episodes since the off the rocket already. The yarn wall after phantasm to was nearly three hours long. I got it cut down to two hours and that was a lot of shopping. And i feel bad because i laughed some of that shit. Yeah i cut out the funny things you said. It made me sound funny. That's what i would have to. I feel like i should blame. Mountain dew kickstart. Because okay. that's usually. What makes me a run on a little longer. Like big red light big red gum or soda gum Domini think about the soda. I don't know why he didn't start singing the juicy fruit commercial yet. Get your skis. Waxed up grab a stick juicy fruit. The taste is gonna kill you. Think that's just like a bunch of like tan. Two kids like no dunking. Each other in the lakers wearing scouts. Yeah tooth crowds the shorts that show off everything yet. Scouts makes your nuts look like truck. Nuts have utm. That you know. I i should really gonna let like yesterday cutout. So william hickey Besides being in this great flick at a young age he was in remo williams. Yeah i don't remember him from that. He was a coney island bargain. Catch him in. That is small role. I'm sure he was in one crazy summer. Yeah dr era. Mr becker said i do remember. That invited sees just always the same character. He's just he can't hear railway well and he's screaming at everybody out me. I loved one crazy summer. Man that was funny the little girls that would make the face on slapped on the slap him on the back and they had their face that way. I tell people that you know when that movie came out. I mean you've heard that right. Oh yeah okay. I'm just but i don't remember hearing that before this. That's what i meant. I knew that was a thing. And i think i was scared of it so we mickey was also in my blue heaven. Yep right and i don't remember liking that movie too much out either. it's. I've watched a little bit of the end of it the other day. And it's pretty fucking funny. Excuse my french but yeah it's all right but at no i don't remember him. He's probably the best known for national lampoon's christmas vacation. And which also had beverly dangelo in it. Yes who is he. Is he his grandfather or great grandfather or her said that his name is just louis. Yeah it's hilarious role for him now. My god yeah. I love it. Yeah i don't remember him in sea of love me. Neither am seeing that long to us. It could movie. I am going to be tripping over al pacino here in just a few minutes so we'll get to it. pink cadillac. I don't remember him being in pink cadillac. I don't remember pink k. When you're only remember that. Clint eastwood was in pink cadillac. Don't worry about it and bernadette. Peters i think exactly now i will also be tripping over and just a second clean eastwood facts to okay. You're just like a little kid. Left them in the floor. And you just kind of clumsily. Anyway i just wanted to talk about william hickey for a minute okay. One of the good dead ones yet. Very creepy guy. good i. i don't think we should remember that. William picky really creepy he. It's he's almost like a not reverse benjamin button but like a prototype and it didn't work out real well and he's just all over the place. We can't go on without saying that. Yes we all know that william. Hickey played the voice for the scientists and Nightmare before christmas. Oh yeah the even. The evil scientist was in a wheelchair thing. He's sticking with it contract all right. So thank you william. Hickey we will trip over you soon. I'm sure i'm sure he will come up a fricken lego when we watch the jerky boys. Now since we're going to talk about. Beverly the angelo. Now for the next thirty four. Let's just do the deanne jackass for just about her forever and her boobs. Yup and then we'll do a side one about joan severance some still look at her. Tony anybody beverly the angelo. Sixty nine years old. Seen her in a while. Can you think of the last movie that you saw her I mean i can look it up but you know what i do. That of getting rid of talk about her. Oh i guess. I guess if i just shut the fuck up we'll get a sorry barely. The angelo got her start way way down the line But this was like her. I fucking movie okay. So she didn't have any lines in this movie. I don't think that she just breathing heavy. Yeah and touching herself and it's not really. Was she mute. She just trying to get you to read her lips. Sorry and that was. That was horrible. But i read her trivia. And i'll come back about. She was in every which way but loose looking at it right now. Her name was barrio. Echo and. I kind of remember that okay. Let's just let me jump around her trivia real quick and tell you that yes she was in a band okay. She was a backup singer for a band. but i think she also had another man. I was trying to look it She toured canada as singer and appeared with the rock band called elephant. Okay for some reason. When i started looking up elephant i came across the band. Okay but i didn't. I could not find any real information about elephant. So that's gonna be a longer dive. I'm not going into that okay. But because she was in a band it allowed her to pick up roles like playing fucking patsy kline and coal miner's daughter watt after looking at pictures of coal miner's daughter in seeing patsy kline. Her character. I'm like shit. I remember that. Oh i've yeah because it's actually about I was thinking it's about loretta. Lynn i was thinking it was out patsy. Kline that's the never know patsy. Clines got a big role in it. So wait a minute. Did beverley d. the intellectually seeing in that movie. Yes but speaking of the band leave on hell. Yeah was also an a coal miner's daughter. I know i've seen this. It's been a minute williams sanderson too. Yep are we've talked about him. I just looked at fight for your life again. The other day somebody had posted it anyway. Vile movie guys watch after but coal miner's daughter all. I could remember watching this as a kid was when tommy lee jones and city space it get married at the when they first consummate their marriage. Its own know a hard to say. It's almost as bad as be just edited myself from now on. I'm looking at tommy lee jones as beefy years right now and i just said that gross myself yes. It looks like his ears are made of silly putty and a kid has like stretched them to know. Just it's just gravity. I think. I see like part of a marmaduke on one of them. I remember watching that when they're it when they were having sex the first time it was almost like he was raping her. And that's what. I remember that movie. Why has that the only thing i can remember about this movie. I don't know that's my brain guys. You don't wanna be in here but thanks for this podcast because you get to hear bits and pieces of it. Yeah faces were just different back then too. I think yes you take a look at you. Know you're scott glen or your you know Just posted about scott glen today so just little post that i put out this morning. That was kind of a scott glen appreciation post. Oh yeah is kinda hunky back in the day When he did two thousand pushups on the side of her cowboy seems impossible. Two thousand two thousand. If i do a hundred. I have to do in four sets of twenty five. I when i do ten. I do four sets of two and a half. What's half that's what. I get halfway up and then i just eat carpet. Yeah yeah there's another reason we need to start raining. It in on this podcast. So i don't spend every waking hour working on it. And i can get. I have gone from dad bot to Now pear-shaped i'm body shaming myself. I have got a podcast body and i. it's not pretty man. I don't know i think it's coming. I think it's you know coming together. That's why i quit posting so many pictures of myself. I'm like oh shit. Hallo now either. Her shop beverley dangelo when she was twenty six. Clint eastwood took her under his wing and cast her in. Every which way but lose it's called grooming now yes but So that was a few movies end to her career when he picked her up. You say her rear her rear yes. Okay yeah that's exactly what i say. Anyway beverley d. ngelo now. Here's the biggest thing i if we've talked about this. I'm sorry guys. But i don't remember this. She was in a relationship with al pacino from nineteen ninety six to two thousand three in which she gave birth at the age of forty nine two twins. Olivia rose pacino. And on james pacino. That did not know that. That is a shocker. That was like a bombshell. How did you says she wants. Forty nine gave birth to twins. That is insane. What you're saying to al pacino's kids. They were never married. They were in a relationship. They just boned. Wow choose by foot too. I think that they probably perfectly matched. Aren't they yeah. He's a little guy. He's like calm. Criticized can say his name. Just than palm cow or chrome. Set it. Like a ho ron hubbard al pacino. Five six billy guy. That picture was going around when The irishman just came out of two chino and deniro on the set and it was just the most insane looking thing. Ever pacino had like frankenstein boots on so it would like like whenever as i mean. They're like stilts basically it's just crazy and his hair has gotten up man. i mean. The irishman was awesome. But his hair's gone through some. Well i guess he was. You know he played a oh god. He played joe. Paternal you play the record producer. That a shot his wife row right right. I am actor. Bill phil spector. Anyway and he had he has that crazy like pompadour thing. But i feel like they cast him in that because he already had that kind of going on. They just puffed out his his hair his natural here. Yeah yeah yeah. I'm looking at mangle horn. Weird thing to say mango horn. It's a two thousand fourteen directed by david. Gordon green okay Bow pacino holly hunter Love holly hunter. Yeah you gotta lem david gordon. Green obviously is the was the producer of halloween two thousand eighteen. Oh right yeah. He's working on finishing up well. Hopefully halloween kills will come out soon. says here is also connected to the hellraiser tv series that has been just announced a four h. b. o. I believe what the hell with that even be like. I'm ready for it. I just. I'm ready for more. That story we'll go into that deeper later. Sorry guys sidebars love him. We can go on forever but we need to wrap this up. I wanted to quit talking about al pacino. I'm going to quit talking about unless you wanna take another fifteen minutes to talk about her masturbating in the sentence. I think we probably covered. Then the loud wild is at least look up if you watch nothing about this film. Watch that that might be my favorite movie moment. Ever super awkward and affiliates say. Well acted like. It's a mean getting ready to happen. Like see her face with that. Look on it. And then you know shock on On on the other girls who would set actresses name the other girl and then a her face again even more intense and the one where she's just giggling and looking away and i'm pretty sure it's a it's an ad for scr oats. It evokes the exact same reaction when you see them. It's like shock and then eroticism shock Embarrassment i think is a big one and then Yeah eroticism you say it sounds the scuffling much dirtier. That's point all right so moving on. Okay i'm going to click off the sentinel. I'm gonna leave. I'll leave it open. 'cause you're gonna come back to it go down. The yarn one's true. If i can remember how. I'm going to click off that. Thank you beverly the angelo. For being hot and crazy and good at what you do and giving birth to twins at forty nine. Apparently there was from her between them. Those kids had to be like two pounds of piece right. Yeah my puppies all right. Never that i wanna talk about. My deep dive came. Okay my deep dives which is playing into your strengths. I know we've talked about him before. I know we're gonna gonna continue bringing these these guys up in fact but i am the what can i stop. You can hear the second What what's i feel you winding up with union papers take a break and then we'll come right back nagging to shut me down. I'm sorry at the and see. I just finished my last sip of black cherry. Start and kickstarted. Yep kickstarted something. Thank you mountain dew kickstarter for sponsoring this. Shell man. can we even sat ends urine talk and now we can't say that food. Let's do your and talk at the end of urine talk. Hey freaks tres briquettes. It's tim from the moratorium. Do you like the sweet. 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Yeah a prosthetic on right and it got me to thinking about The size of men's penises as to their Confidence so they probably have better competence or probably more successful people right so then they call about call it big dick energy is yes is that their next. That's the next thing is Mountain dew big dick energy. Wish though i drink fuck water put that in your mouth and swallow all right so Where was i. I wanted to take us down the path of a well known Makeup artists that. You're super familiar with okay. We're gonna talk about dick smith Not that is going somewhere else. Just seemed like you really. I've been talking about dick for ten minutes. And i just happened to be talking about dick some more. Yes but and which dick smith did. The makeup for altered states that had altered states. Had william hurt now so there. Adb's your bucket circle. okay okay. That was useless wasn't no no no dick. Smith has been huck in a round forever. Yeah in probably has done some of the best fucking makeup from some of the one of at least one of the scariest movies we've ever seen right the exorcist. The end the toy. I think he did that Richard pryor will now that just the first thing that popped into my head okay. Dick smith did the special effects makeup four the sentinel but they actually used. You know handy capable people right. I think some of them were literally employed by a carnival. I could song. But i swear that i read that somewhere. I read that as well. Okay so i don't know what the proper like nomenclature have. We only picked up that word because of the big lebowski nomenclature prominently. Yeah okay. yeah you're right. That's literally the only time i've ever dick. Smith has a surprisingly low amount of special effects credits but he is like considered by everybody to be the master. I mean he's like you know. A lotta pictures with stan winston. These you know his yes mentor and That is going to be my other deep dive. So i'm actually talking about dick and stand today. Good at all. Clear this up in a little bit but the the picture. I just sent you a of the tabs on my computer dick in pump. Yeah okay i'll get. I'll get her. But i i sent you that picks and it looks like i'm looking at other things but yeah i'm looking at dick smith Yeah and it seemed like you were to you know you really wanted me to think. What else would you think i. I don't know The whole thing seems suspicious. Very suspicious said stan winston to rick baker that's on the s and rick. Baker is in there too. We'll talk about that. Dick smith responsible for the exorcists makeup stepford wives marathon man the sentinel exorcist to altered. States scanners nighthawks. He i so. I guess he turns semesters to loan into a woman. You'd like your put on this apron and this wig on top of your giant hair and don't even try to like tug it down at all just kind of set at thorough like a trucker at thousand dollars please. I love that movie. When i was a kid. I don't know why i'm soaking in it. I don't think. I don't think we can get funnier than that. Literally the funniest thing. I've heard in months. Thank you. Jason welcomes all right. Dick miller also did the special effects makeup for go story. We've talked about goes many times. I think we're going to end up having to do that movie. So i on my list yet. I looked up altered states because that one was also been on my list wild. That is a ken russell. Movie right yes. Correct man man and they pump some money in this movie and i think it was another movie that they released at the wrong time and it got like zero reception yeah. I don't know who keeps giving ken. Russell money like gay I'm not even going to try to pronounce his name. Yoda rouse ski. Where it's just like a series of images and words like plot you know don't you're not. Don't why ken russell movie. If you're looking for plot and we watch italian films and have no problem with that. Yeah i guess they're more fun. This is like china like make you think about stuff. Know your ski. Did you ever watch documentary about his Dune did incredibly love. The david lynch dune always have always will. There's some problems with but I can't imagine what that movie would have been like career raising yet. Looks awesome guys. If you haven't seen that documentary go out and shit see it. It's just Iota were dune. Yup pretty awesome thing. If we're mispronouncing it you on purpose mall you gotta do is turn the j. until why and at sometimes sure trips me up anyway In dick smith's tribe's quite hitting the deck. I think is gonna be on my tombstone or something that he really hitting the d day. Jason mike now so a his two thousand eleven honorary academy award was presented by his protege rick baker. Wow dick smith was approached to do the makeup for the terminator nineteen eighty-four but turned it down and recommended stan winston because he was thought he was better suited for the job. He even fought for stand to make sure he'd get approved for the job. All that worked out real. Well yes it did so from that. I started looking at stan winston. So this is you know is kind of my yarn within my yarn About these three bad ass now. I'm actually good talk about stand win at this point. We're rick baker for another time good. That would've been too much too much. Stan winston he Died in two thousand eight from multiple myeloma at which is It's like cancer of plasma in your blood. It's horrific the. We've talked about stan winston before. Because he created the creature make up for gargoyles right which was not our favorite makeup of i mean effective. Ria it was family. That was nineteen. Seventy yeah come on. It was freaky. I mean that's why that movie is burned into my brain. And the weird. Like you know bernie. Casey with the like lear mike through like a seventies guitar pedal or something. I have no idea how the stan winston health down on some of the special effects scenes in the thing nine thousand nine hundred eighty to one of our favorite movies of all times when robbo teen was suffering from exhaustion at the time due to his immensely heavy. Workload yeah and yeah his. His big cock is louis. He's lugging around has big. That's exhausting is vic. I wouldn't know. Sam rash cut all this dick talk out. Okay a listen to this at some point right. She probably doesn't even know you. You have a podcast you get to the alpha cheetah's dick parton. She's like Go on you had me at dick smith. Now that's not funny a that. So let's talk about stan. Winston's winston's career for a minute because he's done some amazing ship and this is where i'm playing into your knowledge. What can you tell us about stan. Winston i mean he did the special effects for the whiz. Pick your. you're it should on. No i'm reading. Imdb though gay man where he got started down here with dracula's dog. Yeah which. I think i have seen and also some of these movies a lot of tv movies but some of these movies. They have different names than what i know them as he knew did the special effects for the bat people But i know that movie as it lives by night. So but yeah he was doing the cool like Bat snout you know bright right okay. I'm looking at pictures of right now. I think i remember this movie as it. It lives by yet. Yeah michael pataki. Isn't it one of the first guys than i ever that that i talked about on this show for some reason. I don't know why don't don't know doesn't matter but i don't know so. We did pinocchio mansion of the doomed. I do not know what The island was at the peter benchley novel. Okay yeah it was. Michael caine david warner about. freaking pirates. Oh yes. I remember the frigging vhs box though. Yeah you can't miss that the big pirate and coming out with a rather small knife but it still missing man that covers bad esta. Winston did the special effects makeup for the entity. Something wicked this way comes. Starman edward scissorhands terminator two dead and buried. I mean friday the thirteenth part too. I mean has hands and just about everything i just watched dead and buried last weekend and it has some really sometimes. It feels like a tv movie. You know okay man sometimes special effects are they were like disturbing you know. I don't remember this movie. Dead and buried. Yeah we need to watch it immediately. What are you doing right now. We're doing a podcast. Do watch it after this. Okay actually. i've seen a lot of his movies. I mean just re watched recently. I just watched invaders from mars not too long ago. I watched a the relic. My wife had never seen the relic. And i was trying to explain to her. How about that quite often. Yeah did she enjoyed yes she did like it. It's a really good old fashioned monster movie. Which are my favorite but We watched it on amazon. I think in it did not look good. It has not been remastered in the you know it should be so winston has Is on here for creature. Creator monster creator for the monster squad. Yes special effects or predator predator to congo. I think he did the guerrillas in congo. My god talk about disturbing number when they had laser guns. Wasn't that part of them. I don't i love it in the credits. It says congo parentheses guerrillas by guerrillas buys. That don't know me. i think i saw congo once. And i'm fine with that. And i was on a nip tuck while kind of binge the whole thing during the coronavirus kind of thing and uh. Every time i saw that guy was like. That's the guy that was in love with the monkey in congo. Remember what his name. It says here dylan walsh villain walsh. That's it. He did the special effects for go to the head of the class. The amazing stories with Christopher lloyd do you remember that one i don't remember. Oh my god now watch it like right now before before. I watch whatever yells. He just told me to watch. That's for forget about that other one that. Just watch this okay. I think i can remember this. Dallas directed by robbers meccas. Did he do all of the amazing story now. He didn't do all of them. They were thinking of this new esther. I mean i think it was all kinds of spielberg thinks. Spielberg did the one with the cartoon landing gear on the world. War two right. I remember that i remember. Wasn't that the basis of that one movie memphis belle. You know. I feel like the same thing that i got that episode and memphis belle mixed together. You don't know what memphis by do. But i'm trying to block it out because i feel like it was really boring. Wasn't an early boring guy. I don't remember so this fine. Good anyway stan. Winston terminator three rise in the sheens and constantine iron man. Gi joe avatar. I mean and every thing that came out those those couple of years probably awesome awesome stuff. He did a parasite which we rolled right to see that. Yes directed by charles van. And i think demi moore's first movie. I think we talked about that. Because i thought it was like one crazy summer. Actually it was. No that was way later. I think wasn't a simple. You know what she was in search what she was in an episode of the master. Just drive over there to kick you in your truck nuts. If we can streamline this podcast and get it down a little bit more maybe we can branch out and do an actual tv show podcast of the seventies and eighties. Fun to be saying if i behave and thought that we can do. This may okay fine. So challenge accepted our stan. Winston co founded the special effects company digital domain together with director and personal friend. James cameron when cameron quit as chairman in the late. Nineteen ninety s due to a falling out with the board. Winston also left the company out of sympathy. Wow i feel like cameron such a dick in on i mean and that was probably a mistake because digital domain is fucking huge right because they do all of the avengers movies. Shes am aquaman and thorpe. Power rangers dead pool. Their mega hugh right. Do we want to talk about. Heart beeps or not i. How's that one have seen that movie plenty of times. When i was a kid then andy. Kaufman like direct that or like. Never mind he. He didn't but he could have. What is the tv mini series creature. Is that based on the Like a michael crichton. Oh no that's peter benchley to. Oh it's got coach in it and it's that like a i don't know shark puss. Type thing rewrite. I want to say. I've seen part of this and turned it off gabba. I mean if you're just watching it for the successful affects That thing looks fucking crazy. Baz jean carlo esposito in san it's also got criteria elson with like. I mean he could have done some sit-ups if he knew that his shirt was going to be unbuttoned and every scene in the movie sorry also in his trivia besides doing gargoyles Talks about him. When was filming predator. He was accused of doing a prank on. Arnold schwarzenegger. Okay and his trivia here. While filming predator nineteen eighty-seven winston returned to his hotel. One day to find his shower was crawling with frogs. Was convinced that the prank was done. By arnold schwarzenegger he called in help from the member of the special effects. Crew catching the frogs in a pillow. Case in releasing them in the arnold's bed. How did he did. He see arnold some frogs the previous day or something. Why did he think he did. You see the size of that chicken. They were in the jungle. Right hang us. Frogs are not good to lick now. Neither stand nor were. Arnold dared to bring up the subject. The next day years later winston was on a talk show and recounted the entire story knowing that arnel would be guest on the show that very next day but the next day arnold commented on the story by swearing he had nothing to do with the prank upon which winston's crew members finally confessed that they had played the prank on him and they knew arnold was innocent but they decided to let winston get even any way they were fired immediately and black and never heard ever worked later died in vietnam. This predator where did predator take place congo because we just said congo five minutes ago. Pettit predator take place predator. Predator employer editor south american jungle. Okay that's says at this far. Shame black god. He was just like a jungle. Okay let's not forget also and stan winston's credits He directed pumpkin head. He directed pumpkin head. The reason why it said hump on the computer. Here's what i thought that met. I can't remember what i was watching. But they were talking about when Bladders were introduced into Special effects kind of technology. Seems like something so simple but we could stop the podcast. Look it up real quick. But i don't know who the first person was who who actually used that but afterwards that was just your standard transformation stuff you know Like beast within and they took that shit ran with it like yeah. A poor kid had his face almost exploded just from them. Like what must have felt like and i think you was in a had to be a fake head when they really blew back down now. He probably wanted to wear the makeup. No please he. Was this door my fave into it But i mean like pumpkin. Hetty feet you know singlehandedly like created a whole new. I would say pumpkin. Heads up there with freddy and jason. Wouldn't you very much so and needs to be talked about needs. We need to talk more. About what i didn't know and i'm going to read some off the trivia here it is the direct. Oriel debut stan winston. The origin of the story. Pumpkin head was from a poem. Yeah i don't think i've ever heard that all right. We'll let's read it cool because it's not too long. So i found this off of pumpkin head. Fandom dot com. Keep away from the pumpkin head. Unless you're tired of living. His enemies are mostly dead. He's mean an unforgiving laugh at him and your undone but in some dreadful fashion vengeance he considers fun and plans it with a passion. Time will not a race or blocked a plot that he has brewing. It's when you think that he's forgot hill. Conjure your undoing bolted doors and windows barred guard. Dogs prowling in the yard won't protect you and your bed. Nothing will from pumpkin head. And that's it. I mean granted that little poem gave him the idea for the story but the poem really has nothing to add to the story. No other than the name. Pumpkin head that has to be. I could be wrong. But that has to be like the last few lines from it. Because the hillbilly kids chant. Something to their. You know there's like ten of and they're trying to scare the little the sister but they're not saying that they're not they're just doing some stewardship of rice in those last few lines i swear are they have to be in like scary stories to tell him the dark or something. Because i think i've read it separate from the movie. You know mugabe very interesting very interesting so with you yet and mid breath you're like a sh- i'm agreeing with tau they'll do it this once. dick and other dick warlock was the stunt coordinator for pumpkin. Mara who play. Do you know who was in the lot of. That's like animatronic but somebody had to be pumpkin. Head right Tom woodruff junior. Yeah i can't who the fuck is tom. Woodruff junior at tongue he. He was in the special megabits department. He was a lead alien in alien resurrection. Okay so probably. He was working some heart of the monster. Yeah i guess. Now that i'm thinking about that whole thing. I don't know that you ever see it's not a suit. It's like a fucking completely. It's like the alien queen. it is completely animatronic at all time. Yeah thing so yeah. We could talk about him. Tom would junior has of huge huge list of special effects makeup. We can go on and on about that but we are not going on on and on about that now. But i must say one thing. 'cause i just saw my ballack biologic Is in pumpkin head. I don't think. I knew that. I did not either and i saw it down here in some of that trivia and i was i did not look into it any further. She was a kid. Yeah she might have been the one that they were trying to scare mccain also devon. Odessa was in my so life she was one of the girls anyway. Good job your welcome way way to bring his down will. Let's move on. Because i just want to wrap it up. That's my deep dive. Great i can go straight into my small gore tori him and then you can take us down the yarn what he say. That sounds great. All right thank you. Stay in winston. He's made like all my favorite moves and thank you. Dick smith just had to do one last one inch one more by dick goodbye. Dick good night. Dick are so my little gore tori. I'm here and go hitless. Cue the music as play. Yeah it's plank it already plow okay. I don't know if i should be quiet. Or if you'll just drop it in d- i will fix it all in po- ow. I thought elle's that all that i am. You're only you're saying that you're doing all the work for this podcast. I got an elf flight body. Yeah yeah speaking of l. flight bodies i went down a little gore tori. I'm here on a movie. That i just wanted to watch with my wife that i looked at the trailer four and thought it would be cute and i have really enjoyed. It's cold after midnight from two thousand nineteen very recent move. Hey and of course. I heard this while i was listening to last podcast on left Henry's a barrel. Sqi is in this movie. Oh yeah yeah yeah. I've seen this. You have seen this. It's a lot of fun. it was cute. Yeah and is listed as a drama horror romance need yes and we do have the romance in there. It is i. I like the way the that. Jeremy gardner who is the writer director and star of this movie. How he wove together this story of him and his longtime girlfriend wrapping around of him being isolated in this house in every night since she has left there is something scratching at his door trying to get into his house. He's like jr. Yes by some monster in the middle of the night. it's not a bear is not a large cat. It's not an risky in little shorts. His girlfriend since she was gone. This started happening. Which also gives you the idea that maybe his girlfriend was aware wolf. Yup because that's what i thought so he could be having a psychotic break exactly which he owns a bar so he is drinking constantly in this film. Yeah jerry may gardener. I really enjoyed his acting in this I thought he was charming. He was funny. He was believable He's done a handful of things is only directed a few things after midnight being the last but he was he. Did the battery and text. Montana will survive. Have no idea. He's acted in sixteen different movies. Yeah the only one. I still have not watched bliss. Which i i want to need to But i have seen spring have ever seen spring. No it's really good slow. Burn kind of little bit. Love crafty in i guess in spring reads a young man in a personal tailspin flees from us to italy where he sparks romance with a woman. Harboring dark primordial secret up. That sounds like a A horror love story. Yeah it is but good. Yeah i really liked it. It's a different. you said. Love crafty in and actually on the box art. If you're not really paying attention to it just looks like designs but no it's like tentacle leah's clause. Yeah now i'm in just check it out before Next yarn wall. Okay mosey when that was spring. Es that's springs one we were just talking about. Bliss is the one that just came out on amazon. I think amazon original possibly But it looks really good. That's kind of a trippy. Vampire something Yeah this is kind of creepy. It reads a brilliant painter facing the worst creative block on her life. Turns to anything. She can to complete her masterpiece. Spiraling into a hallucinatory. Hellscape of drugs. Sex and murder in this sleazy belly of los angeles. That sounds like fun. Part of the show. I watched the trailer. Maybe part of this actually yep elegant very reminiscent of another film that i watched not too long ago. That was not as good about some guy who couldn't who had to finish painting. That's it I did it for the gore tori. I'm not too long been could tell you what it is. Go back and listen to that episode. Deleted that file in your deleted. It needed to make her own. But anyway After midnight. I you did see this. Yeah i watched it. Because henry zabriskie was in it. The girl it's in this who is Brea grant bray grant. Yeah i. I liked her. I thought she did a really good job in this. I think she's kind of moving on up. I've seen her in other things She looked familiar. But i couldn't pick her out but then again she has eighty five credits to her name and like holy shit and you look at her. She just recently came out with another one. That i really can't wait to see now that i wash the trailer for called twelve hour shifts with angela medicine. It which if you remember her from may. Oh shucks fucked up move. Yes she's an interesting looking character anyway but may was a fucked up. That was enjoyed it but it was fucked up. Yeah you're right. She's been a ton of stuff already but so she wrote and directed. This movie called our shift. Which is Angela bettis in a as a nurse who then decides to go into kind of a business with another nurse to start harvesting oregon's and selling them to an oregon trafficker us pretty awesome. It looks amusing as well as being a horror thriller. It's a comedy or through awesome so it looks great and this was written directed by that girl bray awesome. She also has never been in anything that wasn't horror related except like friday night lights ruin. Everything is after a certain point in her career. They're all horror movies awesome. I think i recognized her from beyond the gates. Have you seen that. I think we talked about that. Yes brea grant is in a movie here. That is going on my next christmas horror liz. I'm sure we're going to do. Another christmas carnage part two. Yeah all the creatures were stirring. I like that. I like that was from two thousand eighteen. When an awkward date on christmas eve leaves a couple into a strange theater. They're threatened to a bizarre and frightening collection of christmas. Stories featuring a wide ensemble of characters doing their best to avoid the horrors of the holidays so an anthology a love. Good anthology i dig it. I've always said that. And i don't think we've had a horror christmas anthology. Yeah i'm in. It is going my list all right so anyway. I just want to wrap up after midnight. I'm not gonna talk deep into it. It's newer movie is a lot of fun. it's out there. I think. I watched it on either shudder amazon. It's out there at streaming. I really enjoyed it. I'm glad you got a chance to see all right so moving on once. You take us down the yarn jason god. It's finally your turn to talk. You wanna take another break before. Take another break mma. Kiss my wife. See if she's if she's asleep than we. We could do this until midnight. We could do the next up next. Awesome okay except we haven't watched the movie. You're getting ready to tell me. Watch it then. We'll reconvene two in the morning. Hey guys this is. Krista from the moratorium grizzly gore and mysteries. Of course you do. That is why. I suggest you subscribe to my blog. Suspended animation dormitories waiting to be told where we the moratorium offer a number of tales from men running around new orleans to phantoms and sex are cana- and feeling especially generous head over to our patriotic. Where for just a couple of bucks a month you can help the moratorium grow and that would be pretty kick ass and remember long lead the take down this yarn mall so we were starting at s- this is from the sentinel. No wait a minute. You bay the yard. The something else totally didn't do phantasm. Did i need a few minutes. Did i'm so confused right but we did the double feature for were don cosker rally phantasm phantasm to we did your normal and then we did a set the sentinel and now were passed. The sentinel now. I know it's just hitting me. Oh my god. I hang on this do this. Just just a vamp for minute nala. I'll i'll figure this out or we can go ahead and say what next week movie is. And then challenge that cnn to with the that would be a challenge for me as well shit man. How did some re We're gonna talk about this off the classic jason. I hadn't don swayze in here. For god's sakes i'm gonna go through this no matter. What eventually but not right now. Actually kinda works out. You don't have to go through all that bullshit. I'm mellowing you. Oh my god. And i that gave me a headache. That felt like homework trying to do that. And it wasn't even the right caccia. Movie gone swayze dawn. Sways patrick swayze's brother. The movie has patrick swayze in it. Oh really you're going taking this distilled on no was don swayze in that. No patrick swayze is now. I know but. I mean i'm saying this movie of which i had never heard of. It's called powder blue ever heard of that no. I don't even know what it's about. It just had patrick swayze and don swayze in. Oh i feel like. I'm going crazy. Things swayze so and i don't think i realize the swayze rhymed with crazy. Oh jesus you wanted to stop. I think that's the end of our podcast. Take all the tapes into the desert and bury them away. Everything's digital now. Can we bury the digital files. You could sorry guys. Any of the apocalypse will take care of all of that. Why don't you take us down near yarn from where you were. Which was james la- grow. Okay see you guessed that i did that. Maybe you know me but Okay deep breath. Oh wow point break is involved. Look i'm not going to go through the whole thing. But i will say okay this movie that we're going to watch soon i'll say i don't wanna give away everything but a it. I don't know if you've ever seen it But we did watch something not too long ago. That had for a brief second. It wasn't a movie it was. We were watching. Something on youtube for the podcast. Like a documentary type thing should have this guy in it and i saw him and i was like holy shit but I've only seen this movie a couple of times. It'll be fun to watch. It is written and directed by a guy named jim van boever. We did talk about jim member. He was pissed off because he was trying to get a movie. Made i think and somebody kind of like beating to the punch or something with this guy that was going to produce it. I i don't remember exactly what the situation was. But i remember talking about it. Yeah i'll have to yeah. We'll go back. Nick if you're listening please Recite are notes from the last two podcasts minutes from the last meeting anyway he is like you know like a sam ramey type. He is a home. Grown slow budget his first movie. I don't even know what the budget was on it but you know cheaper than evil dead by thousands of dollars i would. I would assume he's from ohio. He went to film school and when he was about to start his sophomore year he dropped out and took his student loan which was like ten thousand bucks and made this movie. Can you do that without i. Don't he doesn't seem like the type that would give a shit. So can i enroll in some classes. Get some student loans and then just go make a movie. I don't see why. Not and then elizabeth warren Forgive it all and you won't even have to pay back. We need to talk after the sugar will. We will talk off air. Yes how to get money illegally. Wire whispered that so. Let me throw away these four pages of my yarn wool here door. God why was. I why i don't know i think it's because i wanted to watch point break and i was like any reason to you know but that's not what we're watching. What's not ari watching deadbeat at dawn. Yes we are. Are you sit. Yeah how did you get from dawn swayze to this. Well don swayze. There is nobody in this movie. Hauer my supposed to get out of this move. That's that's what i thought too. And listen don swayze. Just imagine how i went back from james lou grow. Imagine if i had a brain magid you did it correctly. So patrick swayze and don size. That was my killing blow right. There was like he'll never see this. I'm gonna. I'm really gonna impress him. I got both of the brothers in the same. It could've even been a tv movie. i don't know anyway. So don swayze was in a movie called beach babes from beyond yes. It was in the same like four or five years where all of those movies had those titles and they basically were like beach movies. But with like supernatural elements in them and lennon wigley usually popped up kinda like they're the wraith in there with the uh abbott more stupid than that. Okay like You know the one with Religion you should be i. I'm done i'm done. Oh downtown julie brown. No not downtown julie brown regular julie brown regular julie brown anyway. Okay so this is going to get dark guys if you're having suicidal thoughts about listen to the next paragraph where i'm not so. Clean your guns while you leave me. Don swayze was in beach babes from beyond with burt ward guy. That played rob hall hill batman series risks. Anyway burt ward was in a movie called virgin high. Feel free to look that up if you don't know until that's a good thing. It's not robin in virgin high. That's man it's always uncomfortable. When those old geyser. Mike leaner I see it right there so you got through michelle bauer. yes michelle bauer screen quake. Yes i'm already looking at michelle by our yes. She was in a movie and ninety four called demented. Which i did not bother to look. There's puppetmaster three to lonzo revenge. Yeah charles band was in there somewhere. But i didn't do. I didn't that wasn't what i was trying to fuck up on. It was the other thing and jim van boever was in demented at. Don't vote why i don't know what year was demented again. Ninety four for deadbeat at dawn is eighty eight so okay. Jim van babar. So that does that satisfy redone laughing at me. no. I'm not dammit tune in next week where i continue to laugh at jason for an become to my what are we making. What was i making fun of you for i. Look i don't wanna make the same. Who could fuck up the worst. I was saying dick all the time this is. It was way. Funnier than bee's day right. So this guy You know like. I said hometown autour got some money together. Everybody in deadbeat at dawn as a friend or a relative gay. It disguised just a real fucking character. There's so many there's a bunch of interviews with him. i mean. Every interview has beer in one hand cigarette in the other. I wanna party with this guy. His name is goose in deadbeat advant. Jim van babar. Is the titular. Deadbeat has name is. Read it off for me hit me. The poster tells you more than the than the imdb he quit the gangs. They killed his girl. He became deadbeat at dawn. I mean okay. That's like what else do you need to know at really. There isn't much more because it is just it's just a non stop. None chuck he I need to know who did did the special effects because there is so much blood in this movie so many realistic stunts and fights. I mean it re they. Somebody for sure died during the making of this movie. I mean just to get you like dialed in. This is like street. Trash is like chinatown compared to this movie. It's on a new different Level why am i not seeing this. It just got a re released from ero and before that. I want to say it might be on youtube but if it is i mean the arrow the new version is like i mean it's a pretty crappy movie. It looks beautiful and you saw this did. How did you watch. I don't know how i came across this. It's been a few years ago. I want to say another at that. It was released somehow. It feels a lot like a trauma movie. If you've ever seen like traumas war It feels a law like that awesome. Okay he said he and some friends to other friends who ended up You know. I think they have like producer credits. Maybe not in this. But he's made a handful of other movies actually made more than i thought and he sees still making moves but anyway him and a couple of friends went and saw evil dead when it came out and were like you know if these guys can do that. Why can't we do the same thing. And i mean evil. Dead was much more successful. Well that's the volume of that's all yet anyway. And so that's what they did and it feels like that. It feels like a very. I mean you know the old version of evil dead that we probably watched everything so like washed-out and you know just but somehow made it crappier and more realistic. You know. that's kinda how this villes. All the action is like i mean it is so he loses body parts like throughout loses them the character care or he's got a bag body parts and he just keeps losing them. I'm so clumsy whole now. He's like you know he's like a more More lucid matthew mcconaughey but anyway so but it no. He's losing his own body. Parts like like brundle fly bit vines part of an ear and penis in his medicine cabinet. Yes there's a penis in there. I'm pretty sure there's a penis. Yeah and he just wanted it to be a penis a wait. Wait you mean dead yet. Fifty seventh time. If you didn't know guys that is the word of the day. It's like pee. Wee's playhouse anytime you say dick to this episode would be like thirty minutes longer if we did that. Whoever did the special effects and stunts. I mean like stunts in quotes. There's a scene where he is good. Has his arm stuck inside of a window of door corridor and they are like dragging him along brick walls trying to get him off and it's like and he seems like the type that would just be you know whatever it takes. So which makes the movie fund so very gross disgusting horror flick maybe not gross and disgusting but definitely bloody and super violence like there is just right violence throughout all right so help me one more time. Tell me how you got from. Jim boever to michelle boever and michelle. Bauer are in demented together. Okay all right then right there. Michelle bauer was in. A movie called the tomb in nineteen eighty eight with john carrying. Oh thank you thank you. So about the quickest yarn could ever have don. Soy wouldn't even have thought about donald. Thank you for making us talk about don swayze. They remade roadhouse with john sawyer. Instead of patrick right. I'd love to see him. Get this shit. Beat out of him. Yeah at least have him. Be like the sam elliott character. Something are so next week. We're gonna watch deadbeat at dawn. Nineteen eighty eight zero budget film. Yep would you say in thousand dollars is what he said. He got from the school. But i have to imagine at least two thousand of that was for beer and also i think it's like evil that i they started filming it in like eighty six or something and then finally completed it in eighty eight so feels like are we going to see different hair. Laying is for ages of character. Don't know but. I do think that it took like a couple of years to get it. Done out south narayan. Yep it'll be fun deadbeat at dawn nineteen eighty-eight. Where can we see it. You say it was shuttered Yes they recently released it. I don't remember if it's on amazon or shutter budda job also did it For season seven. Why so that is also fun to watch. Our will be fun to watch. It says here you can also see it onto before nice guy. Maybe should really start like paying us. Money couldn't like a child watch tubi. They needed a yeah. Yeah it'd be very very disappointed in your child watching this onto be. You're like no. The shudder version looked so much clear. 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Special Effects: A Short History

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Special Effects: A Short History

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Momo doesn't get long grass against your junk when she's party is a great way to start this episode so we're talking. Special Effects Obvious is been lawn talk. We're talking special effects chuck. Yes movie special effects which boy I mean. We could do tin parts on this. This is kind of a big summation because movie special effects can be everything from the movie that you walk out of saying. Oh that movie had no special effects when in fact it did wrong yeah just tiny little things that you may not even notice to things that are almost whole cloth special effects like sky captain in the world of tomorrow Sin City Yeah like both of those yes. Did you know city every single bit of the set was. CGI Yeah that and that sky captain did it first year before Yep every bit of that was it was a green screen movie. I never saw so it was it was interesting like the look of it was amazing and very much ahead of its time like real art deco right yeah for sure. I call a black and white but it wasn't it was just this really really washed out color yeah but it looked awesome and was not bad. Nice ought to check it out and I think the dudes that made that kind of equipment and movies after that. It's very unique story. Have you ever seen this has nothing to do anything. But have you seen the changeling. God the due to see that yes and and I have to tell you. I don't think I've ever gotten chills more frequently from a movie that I did with that. One change genuinely. It's genuinely knewingly scary ghost story yeah like it is wonderful yeah. I'M IN STORE CHEESE SCOTT TOO yeah. He's a good actor and I don't remember who that billy. The KOMO lead was in there but she was great to It's been a while. I haven't seen it and many many years so anyway special effects. Let's try this thing. Yes get derailed like every five. That's effects are divided and this is by the grab story helped us out with this adds a big movie. Guy And horror movie Scifi church sure so he probably enjoyed writing this went up they are divided into three general categories and this all has to do with where the effect is happening right it can be practical Michael which is in front of the camera and that means. It's a physical thing that's happening. I think that's what most people think of when they think special effects you think sure okay by most people I mean me in camera effects that happen inside the camera and then post production effects and many times you're using one or all three of these right right right so with like practical effects things like like makeup and prosthetics like ed uses the example of David Lynch's the elephant man like the the prosthetic makeup that was used to turn John hurt or John Heard which one hurt into Joseph Merrick yes that's a special effect in explosion onset. It's a special effect a blood packet to make it look like somebody just got shot in the chest the squibb that's a special effect. All three of those are practical effects. They're actually happening in the physical world in front front of you. Onset being captured on film. That's a practical special yeah and the other one. I wanted to mention there that you might not think of his stuff like if there is a fire like a fireplace in a scene and then you flip the camera around to show the people and see that fire shimmering on the wall. That's a the practical effect to little things like that but it's lighting is a lighting effect yeah or it's a fire like you know. Those aren't real fires. I mean it's real fire. Somebody should put that out but it's it's not like someone lights a bunch of would they put fake would and they have these fire bars that it's like what you have under your grill basically right hide hide those and then that's your fire sure because that's what perfect he can't just chance somebody not being able to start a fire looking wonky. That's why movie fires Look Perfect Yeah Yeah. They're fake dreamy so in camera effects is just basically messing with the way the film is being being produced inside the camera. What not what's going on in reality the film's capturing but how the film is actually capturing the stuff yes slow motion is a special effect in camera special effect or fast motion to which is ten times more hilarious than like where would the munsters be without fast motion yeah yeah or Benny Hill for God's sake that lived and breathed on fast motion What else can you do there. You can and we'll we'll see this. some of the early special effects like stopping the film changing something starting it again like bewitched appearing out of nowhere yeah. Let's especially in camera special effect yeah one thing that struck me about all this from researching. This is how the the basis the foundation for special effects was laid laid immediately upon like motion pictures being like created like the the whole industry not even the industry before the industry existed but basically after the invention of motion pictures and that it stayed virtually the same until the ninety s yeah people refined it and got better at it and and techniques gap more the same general crafts yeah. We're used very much which is why craft service is called Craft Service. Oh yeah because each department has their own craft. Oh I didn't know they're there to serve them. Pizza Rolls Man or whatever you can put on some weight filming something I'll tell you that you can. Oh My god God so Stop Motion Animation. That is an in camera effect. You're moving a little clay figure or whatever doll or a King Kong of raising one California -Fornia Raisin One frame time twenty four frames per second. Can you imagine didn't you do that with your brother with Ti Joe. I did and then years later I did a little star wars thing when gotTa Outta High Eight Video Camera and spent like three days working on something they ended up being nine seconds long and I said I'm done. What's funny is you're going to get a cease and desist letter from Lucasfilm after talking about this in the pocket night and then we have post production effects and that is I think that's what a lot of people think of a special effects these days really because that's all the CGI stuff that you will see is all happens in postproduction. Okay all right yes these days. I gotcha all like almost all special. Special Effects Happens impost these as right well no they still combine some of the old crafts as well but the yeah surely a lot of CGI. I mean computers can do some amazing stuff stuff again. I mean stuff that used to take months to do a computer can do an hour now and do it a million times better yeah so depending depending on your taste. I should say that's right so those are the big three practical in camera in post production and like I was saying like the the basis of special effects was founded like in the nineteenth century and there were some people who I had kind of followed in a tradition of still photography still photographers by that time had already figured out some cool stuff that you could do messing around with cameras something like like double exposure. We take a picture of one thing and then take a picture of another thing with the previously exposed film and all of a sudden. It looks like there's a ghost looming behind us right stuff like that so out of the gate when motion pictures were beat started to become a little widespread and people could afford them and try messing around with them. They had a basis of of of trickery to begin with but there's a lot of stuff you can do with motion picture. Cameras that you can't do is still photo cameras and they figured this out right away. The first guy who's credited as the first special effect is Alfred Clark and in. They don't have the year exactly right. It's either ninety three you. That's eight hundred ninety three or eighteen ninety five he made a short film called the execution of Mary Queen of Scots and he did that little stop trick like I was saying you shoot something something you stop the camera you replace it or you remove something and then you start the camera and in real time when you go to play it back it's seamless right right and in his case. Did you look at it. Did you need to do that one. It's he's a a stop trick with Mary getting beheaded and right when the axe wchs is going to follow you know he switches her out for a dummy then starts the camera backup and he chops dummy set off right and it's. It looks pretty good like you can't. There's no big weird. Jump trump he did for eighteen ninety three did a really good job yeah and the key to that is just making sure that no one touches the camera or even breathes on it don't move and then getting getting the dummy in those same position as the the actor yeah in fact as we'll talk about later with matte paintings. It's so crucial that the camera not moved one technique was as to bury the camera tripod like a couple of feet into the earth just to make sure like no dumb dumb. PA Bunsen do it. Ami Tammy so Alfred Clark is credited with the first special effects but a guy named George may lease today get it. Maybe we should go as Casey Peckham. Oh yeah he would know. I think it's a way Oh nice. I think you just nailed it. George midday at any rate. This guy is known as the father of special effects. He was very early on doing stuff off that no one else is doing you know granted. There were very few people working in this field and none of the five people did but he was an illusionist and he said Oh oh man I can really do some amazing tricks with this camera and he really put it to good use a very early like I mean turn of the last century yeah he actually stumbled upon that little stop trick by accident when he was shooting a street traffic seen in Paris eighteen ninety six the camera jams while I think a bus was coming across frame. He's like mad fixes the camera can we say that all right. We don't have any French people sitting the end. That's true starts came right back up and of course there's different things happening and then when he went back to look at it it's he kind of stumbled upon this weird weird little substitution splice that became part filmmaking because by the time the the camera had started up again the bus was replaced by. I saw it looked like when he went back and watched it the bus suddenly transformed into a hearse and he said wait till they get a Lotta bewitched seventy something years from now yeah so no I guess what was that in the fifties cities sixty sixty all right so you may not recognize yours Meli as God at that time name but you probably probably afraid of his work like a trip to the moon yeah what's very widely cited like one of the first actual movies I think it was in the twenty something minute range but it was about so explorers in the Victorian era getting in a rocket and traveling to the moon and the rocket lands in the man in the moon's. I yeah everybody's seeing that I don't care who you when you say you. Haven't you have this was the guy who made that and this is a very early movies from nineteen o two but he was doing all all sorts of amazing stuff. Here's using extensive costuming masks all sorts of in camera techniques his painting on film frames. Yeah Yeah and this is nine hundred ninety two and like I was saying this stuff was refine but the was the basis of special effects for the next century to come so we take a quick break all right. Let's take a quick break and we will talk a little bit about the Matt Technique right after this. I'm actually pretty psyched about uh-huh. Hey My friend how you doing. I'm doing great chuck. You know they say that starbucks. Nitro does for cold coffee what the Aurora Borealis Bory Alice does for the night sky. I'm listening and what tidalwaves do for the Pacific Ocean go on what the Grand Canyon does well. You know you get the the idea I do. Chuck and you may be asking yourself. Friends are Josh and Chuck Really Comparing starbucks Nitro cold brew to the planet's Greatest Natural Wonders. Yes yes we are sound too good to be true. Guess you'll just have to try it for yourself. STARBUCKS nitro cold brew. It's cold coffee that subtly sweet lush rush and velvety smooth also available with sweet cream and cascal cold foam only at starbucks Ra Chuck as I said I'm very psyched about the Matt. Yeah so this isn't this is a little confusing the way it's laid out here okay because what what Ed's talking about here with Norman Don this called original negative painting. Okay if you hear of a matte painting that is a piece of glass where you have. I am going to talk about the most common way you might see it employed as you take a big piece of glass and you paint like cityscape on it right like really realistic and then you put that in a scene and shoot it so it's instead of having someone in front of city and this was pre blue screen and green screen technology you would just put Kurt Russell and escape from New York in a field and there's a matte painting of New York City behind him and it looks great in James James Cameron painted in escape from New York. He was a map painter. Oh I didn't know that that was like his first job. It's neat like if you if you even if you do know chuck talking about go to the Internet and just look up like great map paintings to mazing. There's a lot of really wonderful ones one. You've seen before one. You haven't but basically anytime you've seen a movie movie pre nineteen ninety-three. Maybe nineteen ninety where somebody walks into the enormous place or this amazingly the elaborate future city or something like that what you're actually looking at as an expertly painted painting that has been messed with impose production or using an in camera technique technique to make it look like it's alive or actually you know bustling or energetic or there but it's really a it's a painting. It's a painting that amazing human being painted by hand yeah and we should point out. They still do this today. They just do it. Digitally and digital matte painters are super talented as well sure but it's kind of neat to think about that old craft and James Cameron painting a piece of glass an sticking that behind Kurt Russell and I mean it was used in everything like I for my money money. Matte painting is the single most important and widespread special effect ever. Maybe hard to argue that thank you like it was in Mary poppins when Mary poppins is coming into the city of London floating a matte painting when Superman walks into the Where's where's the what's the name of the place where he's from the the Crystal Cave were fortress of solitude. Yes there were talks with them with Marlon Brando. We know his dad yeah. I think so okay that's a matte painting and I think the fortress of solitude are the remnants of Krypton okay. I'm boy superman people some enemy right. Now people still thought everybody was on the marvel train. Now people love Superman comics. Okay 'cause I was. I was GONNA say I mean you've seen what they've done. Superman lately right and Bam in yeah so that's the map painting and what that is. It's called set extension so that basically means if you're just sort of extending the real life set to make something bigger and more opulent Gotcha or maybe number of just bigger and more right but here's the thing relying on that Matt Painter and having the glass there and glass can break and it can you know onset with lighting can be weird so that's all can get a little Hanky so that's why this technique called original negative matte painting was developed by Norman Don and that is when nabbed as he'll use. What's called the Matt Box. which is literally like black? I don't think it's cardboard these days but whatever they make of cardboard thing thing that you put over the Lens to block out whatever you want to block out back in the day they would paint cardboard in hold it in front of the Lens or they would actually paint the Lens and what essentially doing is painting away. It was early green screen. You're painting away what you don't want in the frame or what you want in the future and then adding that later on right in because it's black or because it's covered. There's light is not hitting that part of the film that part part of the film the actual film strip itself that you're you're recording onto her filming onto. That's unexposed all that gets exposed is the part word of the Lens or the camera that is not covered that has say you're actor doing the herky-jerky dance right and then so what you do after that is you take that film. That has your actor doing the herky-jerky dance projected onto a screen so you see where the actor is yes and on the screen you literally paint the background background that you want then you film the whole thing a second time and now you have your actor in the set. They originally wanted right the the only difference there which is something that wasn't quite right here as they don't like project it they just develop a frames of it okay and project like a slide. Gotcha so it's not like the camera the film moving through on the wall right right because in the article here says and then you just stop it and what happens if you do that as the Bulb Burns the film okay so you can't just stop a Birdie projector produced like a slide of project that and then paint in the castle or the the mountain or the whatever you want want and then you go back and expose it again pretty neat open your trench coat and the big innovator with the original negative matte painting Norman Dawn and he really like really led the way but I mean again most of the stuff that that that does this now is done by computers in post but this is like the links people were going to to make movies at the time and you watch them today and you're like God it looks it's terrible but if you stop and think about the effort that they were going to there were inventing it yeah. It's just mind boggling that they managed to get it. You know to this point yeah. Norman Dion try to patent that technique as well but they said No. You did not invent this you popularized. It and you can't patent something something that you made super-popular. There's some other stuff to those like rear projection in front projection which is basically like projecting the background moving background onto onto a screen behind the actors yeah basically you know hokey driving scene yeah the person's great the card being rocked or whatever the road behind him that's front or rear projection rejection yeah the and people still will use that as oh my gosh like in pulp fiction very famously. Bruce Willis or I guess not yeah when Bruce Willis gets in the cab after the fight and if it looks old fashioned this because cutie used rear screen projection for that yeah and there's also technique this not in here that I just remembered bird so I'm actually having to look up. It's called when you're in a car scene but you're not doing a rear screen projection so what happens. He's here is you're. You're sitting in a car still car on the set but they're not projecting anything behind you. Okay what you've got is to people shaking the car right a frame. What are they grips. yeah usually grip but I've I've shaken cars and trains before okay. That's because I'm just a body on the set. I got to get in there. Shake that thing in fact one job I was on there was a fake subway train and the hydraulics broke early on and they're like bring out the pe- as you're gonNA shake this train for twelve hours here like you got rhythm. Get in there yeah. Oh we can have too to much rhythm because we got yelled at for that because it looked to rhythmic. Gotcha so we're like I don't I don't know how to do this. Who are you working for commercial director catching that said that our our movement of the train look to rhythmic and not believable so anyway this fruit of looms commercials totally unbelievable. you sit in the car. You're acting like you're driving. There's someone else shaking the car. There might be someone else off. Camera like flashing a light through the car you're going by streetlight or headlight goes across their face and there may be fake rain in the background and this is sometimes like six seven eight people working in concert to make it look like you're driving at night in the rain or something right so there's really an obvious background. TREASA rotor. Whatever maybe there's headlights coming up behind us this dark yeah but there are people with the spotlight yeah. It's really really cool old fashioned but people still use that stuff yeah. I wish I could remember the full name of that technique. The the shaken Shimmy it's I'm GonNa be so mad later on was called the shake and Shimmy okay. That's right so you talked about green screen. That's actually super old too. There's a really convoluted explanation about how originally Green Screen Employed Sodium Vapor lights which would actually mess with the yellow exposure on Pan chromatic film MHM and my brain. I started bleeding out in my ear you how many times I read descriptions about. This can't quite get it so suffice is to say that that was one technique for green screen. What really kind of changed the industry is when they figured out that again if you if you the film in Black the the film is not going to be exposed so anything you go and re expose it to do it will cover over that stuff so like it's transparent so for example in the invisible man from I think nineteen thirty thirty three a Claude rains wore black bodysuit suit and the background was black it was a black screen like a black green screen and but he wore clothes and everything in bandages riches and sunglasses and I think he smoked a cigarette or whatever but when he took the bandages off we took his sunglasses and close off there was nothing there it was a black bodysuit in a black background so when they filmed the background later on all you could see was the background in the clothes and the bandages. It looked like there was nothing there because as far as the film was concerned when they were filming it. There wasn't anything there so the film wasn't exposed in those sections on each frame. That's right that's called the Williams Liam's process and a key part of the Williams processes the optical printer and that is a projector that actually prints an image directly onto the film that runs through the camera wow that printer and camera sinked up yes so this is to me the optical printers the second most widespread and useful special effect technique in the history of film. You just wait. You're suddenly had an Ascott number a on yeah hard to argue that too but all this stuff was just just precursor to what was blue screen early on Chroma key blue and then later became a chroma key green right. I'm not sure why they made the switch actually other than maybe maybe the green less prevalent or less use. I think so probably maybe the blue was because you know what you don't want anything close to that color right will disappear appear against the green screen anyone who's ever done the weather on the newscasts and tell you that there have been there are blooper reels of whether people disappearing yeah when they wear like a green jacket etc right it looks like the weather's going on through their body same thing so. I WANNA see when we're thinking about obstacle printers another little bit about sure so what you have is a projector projecting film on to screen and you. You have a camera recording. What's being projected right. That's right. That's the optical printer and you can do all sorts of stuff with that so let's say you have a shot where you have one man in the foreground and live actor and then another. Matt and the background background that has a bunch of different people in it or something or stormtroopers three okay so you've got three different elements to that shot what you would do is using the same film film each thing so you go film that like the The actor the live action actor. You've got the film and you project that and you take film where you're filming the Matt in you project that in film that I just totally screwed this up. Oh my God this is just like Oh No. It's worse than that was it. false false positives You remember that time where I was like. I took a pretty simple thing and just completely walk the dog with it. Que did that again everyone. I want you to go look up. Obstacle printers read a little bit about and then you'll say oh yeah this tough stuff. It is essentially you're filming projection and you can do that multiple times with the same in film and adds up to where you have the shot you wanted where it makes. It look like all these things that you filmed three separate times or all happening together in in one space. Yes you are marrying separate images together onto a single piece of film right. You couldn't do that with before optical printers which is a projector and camera working working together. That's right okay. I think I knew that we should mention briefly motion controlled cameras This is a system that allows. It's basically taking the the person out of the equation. There is not a person pushing Dali. There's not a person moving the camera it is a machine that is programmed to move camera through space very very precisely in exactly the same every single time yes you can do the exact same motion over and over again over and over and a lot of time she'll appear on TV. Commercial is boring is that is you will see stuff like this for like a food shoot because food food shoots are notoriously tricky because everything super close up and has to be perfect and you can't be off a little bit with the camera because you'll sub in stuff later in post and that's the the whole reason for emotion control is to replicate moves with exact precision so I was reading about industrial light magic confusing this to really great effect with the First Star Wars which is episode four right the new hope. That's the first one right right. I'm not confirming or denying anything. I'm just going to let that stand for is the first star wars movie they ever came out correct. The Star Wars a new hope is the the first episode okay. I ever saw a movie theater because it's the first one ever came out anyway when they were making this you know. Is it a star destroyer the big big daddy ships okay. Maybe we're going to get murdered. everything all of the ships in Star Wars remodels yes fairly small models. Actually they were okay. I think it was upset for I'm almost positive okay so those models. We're not moving in the shots in these enormous like huge judge panoramic shots where like there's tie fighters flying around shooting everything and x wing fighter shooting the tie fighters. None of those models were moving. I think what happened was they figured out how to use motion control cameras so that the camera would go through the shot and around the model and make it look like the model was moving and plus it was moving the shot through space right right the thing is let's say you have five different ships. You film those five ships separately but does five ships are all going to be in the same shot so you have to film that same shot the exact same way right five different times then run it through an optical printer so that you can get all of them all five shots under the same strip of film but that's one of the one one of the ways that motion motion control cameras were really put to good use and it was extremely groundbreaking because not one of those ships were moving in in reality when they were filming. Star Wars. Can you name five-star worships tie fighter x wing fighter you already said one tie fighter to the deuces what the people in the know call it sure the already said start a story. You should star destroyer. It was right yeah. There's a star destroyer. Okay you made a face like I was totally. you can make the case that indoor was a ship even those planet there was the The the Forest Speeder Huh the the pod Racer Eh and doctors as that's right. He's the final ship uh-huh oh boy they're calf. Muscles just popped right out of the back to their. Ali fries like hyperventilating somewhere the office. She doesn't know why so as as I said earlier it's it's usually a combination of these different techniques to create one overall special effect easing these different crafts and a great example as Jurassic Park in the in the scene with a blosser raptors in the kitchen at great great sequence when it was playing cat and mouse with those children there were puppets. There were actors in costumes. There were animatronic raptor heads and there were full full. Cgi Raptors and you throw this all and a hat mix it all up and it comes out to be like a really believable. Looking scene comes out as an Oscar yeah. I'm sure they went on scares right they had to have. I don't know but there's just no way it was groundbreaking. I remember being just gobsmacked in the movie theater yeah when I first saw dinosaurs walking across the screen and that was nineteen ninety-three I believe for the first drastic park right Jurassic Park new hope the first one that came out so but that was five years after the first Oscar had been awarded for Special Effects Vex as far as I know really I believe that the abyss was the first one to win an Oscar for special effects maybe or they're no. I'm sorry sorry I'm way off way off the abyss was the first movie to win a special effect for CGI effect. Okay remember the water. You're still looks pretty good. It looks amazing in this one thousand nine hundred seven. We're talking about wow was that when that came out yeah. I was surprised to see that too because I thought it was. It's a good movie. I really like that movie. How do you not like Ed Harris. what did you not like like like is an actor. I think a lot of people people might have problems with Ed Harris Person. He's notoriously cantankerous. I I've never heard that I believe it sure looks like he could yell somebody down. Didn't he sure but he also keeps a cool head when he's an actor is a seventies sixties. NASA guy. Hey I love it Harris all right. Let's take another break. Okay okay. We're GONNA come back and talk a little bit about Star Wars episode. Whatever right after this here's a stat for you people over age thirty five sixty six percent of men start to lose their hair by that age? Did you know that Charles I did and you know what the bad news is. Once you've noticed what is that it might be too late. Yeah well the best way to prevent more hair losses to do something about it while you still have some and the thing that you can do about it is to go through four hymns dot com a one stop shop for not just hair loss but also skincare and sexual wellness for men. That's right and we're not telling you about snake oil pills or a gas gas station counter supplements gross. 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You supposed to not but yes or if you're Charlotte's thrown in Mad Max fury road gotTa Get rid of that arm or if you're enforce comfy gotta get rid of Lieutenant Dan's legs and that was amazing. That was the first first time anybody's ever done really something like that throughout yeah. I had my problems with that movie for sure one of them is I think he way over he. He's like a kidney candy store and way overdid the like and now forces in the White House and using archival footage and sticking forced in it yeah that whole like half hour dialogue L. Augie has with Peter Cushing Ghost who is uncanny but I get it. I get why these filmmakers get excited excited. These really technical wizards get a new technique and they just hammered the guy from industrial light magic when they made the first star wars call it what you will his name was. I think John Dykstra and this motion controlled camera assembly that they created was called Dykstra flex super super groundbreaking and they really did amazing stuff with that well. He's like a legend in this industry now and I saw an interview with them recently and he was like I'm so tired of seeing just whole cities leveled in like just the most amazing stuff. You can possibly think of being done just because we can do it right a a he. He put it really really well. I think it's an embarrassment of riches. You know totally like it can be done so it's being done everybody's doing it's just you know like and it makes it less amazing. not necessarily because it looks bad it just keeps looking better and better every time yeah like if you if you look at Charlie's there and it's prosthetic arm or missing arm yeah compared with Lieutenant. Dan's missing leg looks radically different it does so it's getting better There's just too much of it. I think is the point just to be all Ed Harris the on this no I have long predicted a return to practical effects really starting to happen a little bit more and more yeah I could see starting with indie filmmakers yeah for sure which is funny because finally computer generated effects have trickled down enough yeah like you or I could walk out of the studio and probably get on any one of those Max out there news stuff that ten fifteen years ago yes five five hundred thousand dollars to set up a rig like that yeah and that's how some young filmmakers have got noticed is by making these short films with like zero money on their computer pewter that get a lot of action on Youtube because it looks so amazing and the studio B like sign that person up yeah. I can't remember the guy's name but that's happened a couple the times in recent years the Ed Harris we should talk about a few of the groundbreaking people over the years. Oh yes and we'll go through these little quicker than what we have in front of us. I think we should mention Lon Chaney sure one of the original superstars the film in the silent era the man of a thousand faces he was he was very talented doing his own makeup and changing space That's why it's called the man but thousand faces. He's like here's nine hundred ninety seven. What about Willis O'Brien. He was one of the pioneers of stop motion photography again if feerick California raisins fan you have a lot to thank Willis O'Brien for yeah. He also too stuffy. Did I mean if you look back. He did King Kong in the nineteen thirty-three King Kong yeah and if you look back at this you're like this is this is cool but if you research what was done to create this yes. You're just blown away by it yeah again. Many processes coming together to create that nineteen thirty three version of King Kong and that fight looks excludes still realistic consider the year it looks awesome it does in it's about three three and a half minutes long. King Kong fighting TARANTULAS REX but it took seven weeks to film yeah because there's twenty four frames shot per second in a film that's right and for every frame. They moved the models a little bit here there yeah so that's why it took seven weeks just for that fight scene. I think it was fifty five weeks for all all of the Stop motion photography that was done in that movie. Yeah that's impressive. It really is impressive especially when you realize the trouble they went to when you go back and watch your like this is is pretty nuts yeah ray Harry House and continued the work of Willis O'Brien and very famously in like the fifties and sixties movies like Jason and the argonauts and clash of the Titans Indiaia. Never Medusa sure scary lady yeah that had to be toward the end of his career. I guess 'cause I was in the eighties. Yeah I think like eighty one. Maybe matter the miniature to demand that was cool movie. That was a big movie for me as a kid yeah and I was like when L. A. Law came along. I was like I know that guy. That's right. There's the titans this guy we should shout out millicent Patrick. This is a very interesting story. She was one of the only well first and only women working in special effects back in the day right and she created the very famous mask of the Gill man from creature from the Black Lagoon in the mid nineteen fifties and was unceremoniously fired not just fired stricken from the credits yeah this guy named Bud West more he assisted her and then basically we had her fired rather than give her the credit for the mask which he would take credit for Kazoo think he was the supervisor in charge of effects or costume or something. Oh I thought I guess he assisted assisted her but he was her boss. Yeah Okay but like she very clearly on her own came up with the Gilman for yet the creature and this is only come out in the last like few years they've kind of dug up the original stuff and yeah sexism just basically pushed her out of the industry altogether very sad she starting to get her do now. Though which is good yeah that is very good. There's Dick Smith is amazing. He created the Squibb. Oh really yeah he's. He's a he's a very famous makeup artist. He's really good at making people look aged yeah. He made forty-seven year old. Marlon Brando look much five than the Godfather. Oh yeah yeah he was on. He was a year younger than me Brando. I never thought about that nuts. He really is he also did death becomes her which is one of the all-time time great movie yeah yeah for sure and the Exorcist Yup and scanners and you're seeing ghost story from nineteen eighty-one. Yeah Yeah Very scary movie the old dudes he did he did that what else very famously aged. Dustin Hoffman and little big man by many many years and then in the last like twenty five thirty years Rick Baker and Stan Winston Stan Winston's. He's got my vote yeah. Yeah I mean these two guys were both just creative leaders in the industry and Trail Blazers in the industry and as Ed it says here like a mentor to a generation of special effects employees employees creators artists all three of those Lourdes gig workers Rick Baker American Werewolf in London in Nineteen eighty-one which still holds up the thriller video in Nineteen Ninety-three Star Wars Maas is Louie Cantina. He made all those yeah. Did you know that about the Mas Eisley Cantina chair. I didn't know that he was sing almost single handedly responsible for all of them and then Stan Winston you gotta talk about movies like the thing in Predator in Terminator and they both have set up foundations in schools and things like that Stan Winston also did in the makeup for what I think is maybe the best slash film of all time Friday. The thirteenth part to yeah to was when Jason comes along right. Yes it's Jason before. He got his mask. He gets his mask and three. I think the Friday thirteenth franchises as good as it gets horror movies. I dropped off at a certain point. Did you see see all those no. No I still haven't seen all of them but even just putting like the first five or six up yeah I think it's like watching him again as an adult. I'm like these are really good. Yeah Scherzer films even better than I remember being a kid and the reason Stan Winston filled in for five thirteenth part two is because the guy who did Friday thirteenth the first one. Tom Savini was unavailable. He was off doing creepshow. I believe the Viennese another legend. I think they're redoing creepshow show. Are they okay. I'd watch that different stories. Oh even better I think not mistaken. Bs Savini is well known for being sort of a godfather of Gore he did maniac gives that yeah that was an offshoot rocker movie and then these days there are companies unease Im and and Weta island industrial light magic is Lucas's company and they're cool because they invented this stuff off because Lucas needed stuff to be done that couldn't be done right and he's like go figure out how to do it and they did they really did and then what is Peter Peter Jackson's company. Okay and he's the one that has really pioneered the Mo cap the motion capture techniques where a person's wearing like a suit and the suit it has a bunch of different kennel almost ping pong balls all over it yeah joints in crucial places where the body moves and the actor stunt person in her dancer. Whoever wearing the suit goes through the motions and then it is going through the motions sure and that that those motions that what's captured fed into into a computer and the computer generates a character doing all those same motions creating the performance but it's a computer generated character yeah I don't think he was the first but the the gallon character turn those Lord of the Rings Movies was really one of the first really terrific looking fully. CGI character yeah I found from what I can tell the first full. CGI character ever in a movie you WanNa guess you'll never guess well. I mean it's touted as Indiana Jones and the last crusade crusade wrong really what is it going to be. It's another Spielberg movie. Okay it's young. Sherlock Holmes stained glass night. It comes to life and tries to slash one of them with his sword first full. CGI character in a movie will why I don't know but that's what I could find in nineteen eighty-five well. It says maybe there's it's in the nit picky language because in the last crusade when Walter Donovan's face melts and turns to dust when he drinks from the jealous that's in that's in raiders of the lost. Ark Isn't it. Oh no you're right right. You're saying okay yeah it says here it was the first ever digital composite of a full screen live action image. There's something in a language because what it was a little screen or something this was the Gotcha this is the first CGI but it wasn't the first CGI image. This is the first moving CGI images the first CG. I'm image was in looker. Remember that movie. I totally saw looker yeah. That was a big. HBO's Movie For me for sure same here is is looker runaway. NAH crawl runaways. Tom selleck yeah and Gene Simmons. Yeah that's right. That's all kroll a lot to look looker head Albert Finney Right. If I remember correctly Albert Finney and Susan Dey Susan Dey and Michael Crichton I think that was the first full body three d human but I did not move at static yeah and the very first computer generated effects period funny enough were used to replicate computer under screen so whenever you would see a computer screen in like Westworld or aliens or star wars and they're like what is the Computer GonNa look like you know not now that that was the first time they use computer generated imaging list of yeah make a fake computer screen and the first full. CGI seen ever ever done was in the wrath of Khan which I believe came out in nineteen eighty two but there's a genesis like earth being you know like cooling and turning into ah the earth and there's this amazing shots around it that's all CGI and that was the first one and Tron. I thought for sure tron would have been among the first apparently most of that was animated by humans not computer. That's right the like all the glowing lines all that stuff animated which makes it nuts. What's that they were able to create that yeah. now the big thing. Is the aging technique that they're getting better and better yeah. They really are. Yes so the new Scorsese pick the Irishman I think D- ages in has taken a long time to get out because the de aging didn't look good enough for Scorsese so they have d age Deniro and then I saw this new ang-lee movie Jimmy Man where Will Smith of now plays an assassin and he has to go kill his younger self looper. SORTA like looper. I guess but this gym and I'm in script has been in development for twenty five years with various people attached but they can never do it because of the technology was yeah. It's finally here but here's the thing I didn't know like I've seen this trailer and I'm like man. That aging looks great. They didn't age it is a fully. CGI Will Smith when it looks that really the younger version is wow sounds like man. They're getting so good at the that's amazing so he mo capped his whole performance formats motion captured yeah and they just used fresh prince photos and they just basically deep fake them sort of Prince. Have you seen the bill L. Hater depict. That's going around now. That's pretty cool because he goes from hater to Tom. Cruise thrown back to Tom Cruise. It's like what kind of all over the place it's really well done and then you know like we said they use. CGI for so many movies little mistakes that can be corrected little things that it's just much cheaper to add digitally later on it could be a movie that like I said looks like it has no. CGI whatsoever and it's cheaper to put a played food in the background digitally then cook the food right and put it on set. Just that's a bad example. or you can color great a movie. You completely change the the movie. Oh brother where art thou has that Yellow Hue for everything yeah. All that stuff is green. You know they're in the deep south in the summertime. They used to have to like film summit at some weird exposure and then projected at another exposure with some filter and then record the whole thing optical negative yeah now they can the Stewart all with a computer easy peasy. It's great thing on a kind of looking around but this one eighth of this topic yeah hopefully made you appreciate movies more. Yeah you specifically me. I Know You love the movie sure if you WANNA know more about movies goes into Chuck's podcast movie crush. You'll love it. Thanks and since I said movie crushes time for listening to me and actually since you said movie crush were about to release an episode on the Matrix hadn't seen that movie. It's been twenty years since it came out. You've never seen the matrix now. I hadn't seen it in a long time but I didn't realize this is the twenty year anniversary watched it last night. Still totally holds up really looks great fun. 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Season 3 Episode 1 - Earth Vs. The Spider 2001

What The Suck?!

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Season 3 Episode 1 - Earth Vs. The Spider 2001

"Road Warriors. This is Chris from state of your podcast and you're listening to a fourth hand production they are. Yeah. Man What a way to start off the season, right? The. Orgy going on. The Pool. Has. Any redeeming quality whatsoever fucking road Heavily. Heavily story is crap. Welcome back to what the suck podcast season three three-man it's been too damn loan brother. You know it feels like it's been a year in a couple of months in a couple months. Yeah. Thank you. I mean so much has happened in the last few months, but it feels like sodium long. Yes. We've been working on stuff for the show to tweak things a little bit and make things more interesting little more fun. For All you have out there. So welcome to episode one season three what the suck I am your host Chris, and with me is James Man. This. Staying in the show. Hey. Me All right. So for those you unfamiliar shame on you. There's two seasons. Go back listen to those and income back in this in you fuckers but. Basically. James started this show actually the last year at this time over your go. Yeah. Because we love horror movies love him. I mean we love movies in general. Yeah all John Lewis but we love horror movies most end of that. Some of our biggest guilty pleasures are bad horror movies. Yes. And the reason that is is because when you think about it, there's a lotta great podcasts out there. Good horror podcast deflect that fantastic show dig over all the good horror movies. Good stuff. Yeah. But these old ones these crappy ones the forgotten the hated yes. The despise whatever you know it's it's about time that these get attention. We're here for you. Know we're here for absolutely. Yeah we. You know we? Do in the last two seasons. We have found some really great gyms that we would not have found otherwise because you know while we do occasionally get together with some friends to watch bad movies, disin- everyday life we don't. Just. Go looking from note, and so force ourselves weakened weak out to endure endure foreing this move us Walker for word brother got to use a powerful word has led to some of the greatest. Scenes in cinematic history that we've ever seen in our life. And they're a blast they are. down. Say we started doing this together almost ten years ago. Thinking about it. In paranormal group forever, we've been watching crappy horror movies drank him and riff anonymous. So we decided to turn it into a show. Yeah and again, like a team said there, there are a lot of podcasts with good movies but none that I can find about ban movies and they all day deserve love to absolutely people get something time in hard effort in most some effort into these things but yeah. I've seen some that are pretty questionable. Yeah known there are some that seemed like they were filmed on a weekend at go watch beast today from last season. That's already know. Easter special from last season. Yeah. Check it out yesterday what you'll see what is lacking somebody just phoning it in my. They faxed in owning. Telegraph Denise. Di Go. So. WHAT DOES SUCK We have two seasons available anywhere. You can find podcast, go listen we instagram twitter and a facebook go find you know message tweeted US Telecitta is any movies with you think we should auction we probably won't we got our own shit listed. Yeah. She listed, but we're always looking for suggestions absolutely and We Act also for those l-listeners who've been around for the last two seasons. First of all welcome back, we thank you. We love you absolutely thank you very much for your support like right thicken with us. Putting up with our shit and it's about to get worse. Yeah. So I'll go check out our patriotic. We have a Patriot patriot dot com slash what the suck yes, we damn. We are going to have a lot of cool. Stuff on there as far as like behind the scenes we're GONNA have bloopers. We're going to have some live. 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You like stuff like I said, we're really GONNA, try to step it up and we're GonNa try to bring you some really cool things in. We love you guys, support. Thanks guys. We're trying to put some of that love back out there to you guys. A year, what's what? How about enough of this? Shit. Let's get on to the to the abuse man. For the season three premiere and we have movie that we have been wanting to see. For quite a while now. Yes, we have. So that can season two we covered I dunno episode because I don't fuck remember that Shit but. We did a episode on knee was nineteen, sixty, classic fifty, eight, Nineteen, fifty-eight classic Earth vs the Spider I think Joe was wasn't even these spider wasn't earth vs spider known as. The. And I think our good friend Joe from right note that was the giants. Okay though by Dir. Yeah so earth vs the Spider Nineteen fifty-eight we did that and at some I don't know somehow some point within like for like the research or when I was looking around for for images to us on social media I stumbled across a remake of the movie that came out in two thousand and one I was like, okay. Well, we don't really care if it's remake or not. Because if it's bad, it's bad. You know it's if it sucks. Is GonNa suck what did he can't Polish tired? Yeah. So curious I was like well, let me to see what the trailer looks like. Maybe be something we watched and I. About Shit my pants because. and. I knew instantly instance that I saw the glorious glorious face of none other than Dan ackroyd in the trailer we yeah I was like we've got to watch. We've got a I got to find this fucking movie and we've got to watch it. Yeah. So earth versus a spider two, thousand one is a science fiction horror television film directed by Scott Zeal. Vision Yeah, it was now television. cinemax oh skin amax gimmicks. It was the first of a series of films made for Cinemax. Max Payne tribute to the films of American International Pictures. Again, that's where the original earth is underway produce them. the films in the series played tribute, but they were not remakes of the earlier films. In fact they were they were named after him but they were different story like for instance, that original was about an actual spider coming to earth they're just hoping that by nineteen fifty eight to present that you forget all about the old name right? This one center centers around the SHY obsessive comic book. Fan who gets injected with an experimental serum derived from spiders which gives him. Minor superpowers which sounds like a yeah really. But as time progresses more horrific changes occur slowly transforming into a grotesque human spider. Good. A detective begins to investigate when bodies at the pile up covered in cobwebs is rated R for violence, Nudity Gore and profanity all the best things you want. Glorious Yes sir means the infamous rescue titties as remnant chain twenty told the new folks what the what the Hell rescue titties are rescue titties. This is a term as a matter of fact. Logo created for this and you could to our store. Yeah. I'M GONNA, get somebody who can actually draw to do it. But Anyway rescue titties. Are. What I dub you coin them I coined that phrase and the first season because when movies are so shitty. And they the director is fighting to keep your attention. What are they use nudity say So everytime like in the first scene or second same in the movies already taken a nosedive here comes some big titty woman running through the damn camera rescued it all of a sudden your interest. On. Your interest is piqued again at least at least some of it. Yeah. Below the belt probably. Yeah. Yeah. but that's that's basically what it is and like I said, we're GONNA have t shirts I gotta get t shirts I gotta give me a t shirt that I I I think I might need a rescue titties bumper Jack about sticker bumper to bumper sticker. There we go sorta figured out. So the movie is directed by Scott Zeal produced by Lou Markov and Samuel Arkansas off so a pair of brothers good job The story by Mark Crash McCreary that's a terrible nickname trash Kerry Solomon and Chuck Councilman starring. Dan. Aykroyd poor poured in Akron Amelia Hinal Devon Gomersall Gomersall. Christopher cousins Mark Recuse Zoe Tattoo May. Make a good a pizza, John Show and Theresa Russell Music by David Reynolds cinematography by suck production company by creature features productions and distributed by Columbia Tristar home video released October seven, two, thousand one with a small running time of ninety minutes. I guess he had to release some kind of horror movie in two thousand one to make up for the unfortunate bashing that ghostbusters to took which it shouldn't have. Yeah. I thought ghostbusters to was excellent. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Yeah. But yeah for some reason, they got critically smacked around a little bit. I think yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Yeah. So do some another A. I think the film is that the film part of a series called a creature features in which all of the movies the creature affects done by none other than the Stan Winston Studio. Yes. Sandwich Day special effects, artists. Who's amazing is done a ton of films in a stand man man man Winston Yeah Sir so unfortunately not only do we have Dan ackroyd attached to this thing but we have Stan Winston This might be too good for the show. This is something that tarnishes there I I am DB in the resume put very bottom. Yeah. Well, it depends. Will we're going to see. So let's let's take a look at here that we're going see we're going to siree. So it says science made quicken mutant nature mayhem a killer F I foot Clinton Earth versus a spider is a terrifying horror thrill toll thriller thriller starring Dan Aykroyd Theresa Russell Devon Gomersall and Amelia hinal. Hinal and features special effects by the four Time Academy Award Winning Monster Maker Stan Winston and At least, maybe the visual effects will be worth Shit who also addressing park three artificial intelligence and aliens. Clinton is a dirty comic book fanatic who spends his day working as a security guard at a biotech research lab and his nights at home. Dreaming of superheroes when thugs ambush the lab, his partners killed in the shootout overcome by grief he knowingly injects himself with a top secret drug made from the blood of a laboratory spider, but slowly not known the effects of the injection change his body and Quinton that he comes more like spider and like human, he develops a hunger that cannot be it. Our this movies kind of chat. Yeah. So men Oh. You know what? By the way we haven't done. That is the point though, right? To Suck, we didn't do this much last season mcglynn figure most people would no but we are going to restart A. Talking about our rating system. A hand every handful of episodes. Thrown it in. So people who are new can actually understand what how these lousy got sick or the shit like. You, you know. After, like thirty five, forty episodes. People who are now the fans they know how great the shit we we literally have fifty fifty shitty horror movies under our belt so far we love shiny whore came all these movies were made by people who were at the minimum mildly passionate about them. Yeah. So they all deserve some love and at least one viewing but. We have devised a rating system to dig through the large pile of Shit in hopes of finding the Golden, Turt-. Yes, and they are rare. I will say that are very rare. Now one of five. Now also I mentioned we re Shivaji turds that is correct. Turned emojis. We do it by turn emojis Those of you follows already know that. Yeah. Those of you who are new to reverse scale to two reversed one. Hill for so one, the five turn or should emojis where you call them these are the new classics. They are the best of the worst and so bad. They are the good ones you will get countless enjoyment out of these. Yes. These are the great ones like the the Wonderful Jack Frost Frost hobgoblins. Goblins to fly. Yeah definitely. The two hundred five are almost as bad as ones but not enough. Where counts so watch these only with friends who really enjoy shitting movies movies in this category are best watched with a group who liked to riff or play a drinking game, and we'll tell you what that is a hell of a lot more fun than even sow hell yes. We had a five or the ones who will watch only nothing better to do, but you'll prepare to drink heavily while watching though. Alcohol may not be enough and these may require some sticky. That's right. You get hit that blunt full of skunk. Four out of five are the ones that are so strange that you may not want to see them more than once but you at least want to share your misery with some friends especially those who wronged you and you want to make them suffer or than bastards. Oh, you money that to five out of five. These are the FICA, the matter. The worst of the worst only brings out on special occasions. Let's say your friends are not adhering to social distancing. or You are stuck in an apartment with your ex because they won't move out even ended four months ago. Well, show movies from this rating category and they'll run screaming from the building. Yes they will or you can just throw them out the fucking window that too when finished it's best to forget you ever even heard of it. It needs to be recently memory possibly by blunt force trauma, and now that Chris has most eloquently delivered our rating system I am going to conclude with. Laws particular topic. Yes. I was hoping that this this. This is a category all its own. It was created on the fly because it was. The most rare because like I said, the point of this show we have said many times before is we want you to actually watch these moving. We don't want you to sit there and go guide is that that sounds like shit I ain't watching it. I have had lots of feedback online from people saying that because of you guys I actually WanNa. Go see this movie because it sounds incredibly horrible nice l. and that's great. Yeah. We appreciate that but this particular subject this subject no damn started gets a rating system category. But this particular rating is beyond all. This is what we call the golden six turned rating. Yeah. If any movie review garners the six tiered rating it is then and only then that we have deemed the movie not to have any decent horror value are just plain value all. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I think we saw one the other night we were watching a movie. Oh yeah, and it was total garbage. Let me tell you something we. Is only hour long. Felt like five was so bad. We we will be put in that review up on the Patriots. Yes. We're actually GONNA do it and we're gonNA take yeah we got we got a slam that one that's going to be a special little side episode but going but if you get a six hundred rating on any movie was seventy-five negative one except the poor. Person WHO's GonNa win all these glorious movies at the end of the season. Yeah. We recommend you steer clear never waste your time now because it's horrible you know like I said crappy horror is beautiful grant. But when it has no value whatsoever, there's nothing there's no redeeming qualities to it. We can't recommend it as a matter of fact, how many we have we've had. Of course Dozo, which was a shame because that was our season one finale. Yeah. We couldn't even recommend it to anybody because it look good but then it turned out to complete. It was just a it was. I. Think we haven't agreed on a six Cincinnati I've had a couple of sixes. Yeah. and then you rated among different bit higher, but we have not had a A. Movie that we both agreed six yet not yet. Now Obama, tell you what when you get one of those dislike being fisted with sandpaper glove man it sucks that definitely sucks as beyond. Suck it real quick on WanNA mention on. So going back to movies on the Patriot under the ten dollar final girl tier one thing James are going to do are we gonNA post reviews of good horror movie? Yes. We are going to watch some good. Horror. Movies. and then we will post reviews on there and you only be able to access those under ten dollars, tear? Yes. Another thing that we are going to do also is my good friend, James E he if you haven't listened to state of fear or some of the show, you do not know that my good friend James Travels quite a bit those of Aka lives go out he goes out yet but I do not I am a homebody. So I watch a lot shit. So there are a lot of things that I have seen that James has not seen that I want him to see some one of the things that we're going to be it's going to be on the final level ten are going to be some I guess reaction videos and a reviews of things James not seen that I wanted to see. Yeah and we're going to record his reaction and it's GonNa be fucking Hilarious as I said, we're just GONNA start dumping content in this thing left and right so it will be well worth. Our Buddy what do you say? We get into the reviews movie I am dying to been waiting to hear this movie I'm ready to be back alleged. Do it brother? Columbia Tristar Entertainment. Colleen Cam and Stan Winston Academy Award Winning Special Effects Artists for Jurassic Park Terminator Two and aliens present creature features. For Quinton camera be normal gets him nowhere on walk you down. She's out of my leave you're a good security cop at an important research lab. Ramos Esam and makes them invincible. Stuff. Alive and Kickin being nice is no good. Guys just. Back. Stick up for me and being good. Isn't good enough. To Rio cocktails Wright Patterson. Expect here's for five bucks an hour. or he needed was shot in the arm. something. Very cool. This. Did. You see the front page today that midtown create. Like someone took care of midtown. Powers. You're scaring me now. A COP of past. You want this case must uncover the secret behind a killer. What exactly do you see what a spider can do? That's half man any data yet on what would happen if you introduced the spider material into a human organism and you'll whole terror Dan ackroyd birth, versus the spider. Well. Yeah. So. The thing that we coppee entry that we read was referring to the unrated version I believe so because they're willie wasn't indie. Hardcore Gore or newer no rescue to have seen no nudity. What what the hell man ninth way to start the season leash had some rescue titties or at least some no nudity and no Gore at aw that's okay. Yeah. So I mean. Dan was great. Listening we mentioned earlier Everybody this movie actually was acting the. Try Think. Good actors were all good at. That definitely helped it a bit. Yes I did. Dan. Helped it. so Movie starts off with what's his face Dick Cheese Clinton. Yeah. Another Damn Clinton, So actually that this go back, it starts off with the title very much reminiscent of like the Aguire Spiderman movies and like Old Spiderman cartoon where. I'm saying you know there's gotTa be at least twelve or thirteen lawsuits around this movie gap I mean either that or he paid for some some rights or he paid somebody off because there are a lot of similarities have to admit the starting cool. The musical school music was very cool A. Sitting there going you gotta be joking I mean it was. I was like Oh, my God, this is a blatant copycat. There's there's lot of Lot of comic scenes, Law Comic, a comic book splashes and stuff. When we get it, we get a were introduced to Quinton are Ninety hero, he's these just. Is Yeah Yeah. The main dish lives in a shitty apartment has a shitty job as a security guard, but has an awesome dome awesome dog and has a neighbor that he's in love with. and the dog names for which school which was very cool. Yeah. He's a good little beagle. Yeah, and so he here's a Shitty job security guard at this laboratory where they do like experiments on like medical chemical experiments on like insects and shit yeah and often no wrongdoing that right off the bat. I mean He. Is In love with his neighbor, but he's too much pussy to do anything. But. The neighbor obviously has something for him in his like him as a comic book nerd because they started talking comics on their arm while they're head out for work. Yeah. Her with her I say she looked like Jan from Greece hangs and Shit And Buck teeth. So yes on the way out there harassed by these two lenny in squeaking wannabes. Lower Rent Balkan skull care who harass him, and he can't even stand up for himself like stands up for him because he's such a fucking pussy. He's like a walking raise I think from look like a fucking bit. PUNK. then. He gets to work and he worked national. He goes to a comic shop on the way to work because he's a fucking loser and. That was his name. John Chose. That's where John. Hoult. Works Mr Herald Mister Sulu Yep is the owner of the comic shop and he also lives there, and so they're talking about the newest. Dumb. Iraq native injure statue the Iraq needed. Evanger anyways talking comic bullshit whatever then he goes to work for me. That's not a ripoff known. It's definitely not a spider. Well, he's got like four more arms. So he goes to work and he's a security guy with his old man looks like a bug. Bug Idol Bastard. I mean real. Nice. But Holy Shit. I mean throughout the movie we were not only quoting like Like references like other insects movies are far whatever we're also were like ghostbuster lines. Of course. And we missed a missed opportunity to quote a great great line for this guy. Told look man he stops Jeremy You got the bug eyes. I'm sorry about the bug is thing you're. Looking at four different directions. He said he reminds you mind you I gore from. Marty Feldman Yeah. But. The funny other funny thing was that is the scene where the two security guards walked down the hallway and Quinn's telling bug I about the girl whatever. And they're doing their rounds. And okay. So this is supposed to be medical laboratory some highest security facility. Yeah. They're doing classified experiments, their doctors and laptops walk around the Shit and the two of them are walking around with a clipboard literally go to each door and just open the fucking door look in. There's no badges there's no security law no nothing doors are locked. Now walking look close-door every single door that says laboratory is not fucking locked. In. Supposedly all this high level, Shit. Yeah and then you get a look in the lab in their stabbing these spiders with these huge firkin Natal's. Yeah huge. So they got a bunch of tracks listed in there and they're. Talking Syringe in this. kool-aid Bullshit. And they're injecting him with stuff that would make them pop i. mean they're in. Of this liquid, it would that it make little damn spiders explode but as way to obviously not. So then. While there. I. Think as a really close up or whatever or ending shift. All of a sudden. They. Get Rob hijacked like. Guys come in this. It shows up out of nowhere to come in and like rob the place yet I think what it is you see the guy a cost one of the people in the hallway put him at gunpoint takes them in the lab. So the guy goes after him and then somebody jumps the old guy. So Spider Boy WanNa be here. No yes. So what happened? Yeah. So he goes he goes into try to help him but then right before he goes in the cops show up the cops show up and he gets. He gets he gets a typical disrespect. Let the cops handle this shit and all this, and then the cop gets pissed off because they start shooting up the fucking place his partner gets killed they'll you know bughouse? and. Punches him in the face and blames him he's. So. So the everybody gets killed in the fucking room everybody. Except for Quinton and cop but these, this wouldn't kill a the monster. These are just robbery. Robbery. So we're not gonNA count these as the kill count because no, you can't. You can't. They're not killed by the monster and so but I mean granted you're less than twenty minutes in and someone dies yeah. Doesn't really count though. Dan ackroyd because he's detective Jack, Grillo, Grillo Grillo and. Yeah. So after the after the thing that the COP comes up to Clinton's like pissed because part got killed was beaten shed of them and then Dan has come in and stop ins a get the hell out of here you piece of Shit. Fainted de Quad. Bookham Dano. and. Get in the background there's there's a photographer and a stupid report reporter reporters wearing a hat. He's wearing a fedora for door glasses. Okay. So it's an obvious Clark. Kent knockoffs Seattle. Thought it was also like a wannabe rip off of What's his face from? Batman, any nine, the the reporter that hooks up a passenger. Barbara Wall okay. the. So this oil spills take place in current times in two thousand one. But the fucking reporters weren't Fedora yet. The. The fifties field. Yeah. The photographer has a big ask fucking camera with a flash bowl. Cancer. Shit in. So the after afterward Aykroyd cop out. The the cameraman and the reporter walking closer to Quinton there's a spider that escaped on the floor. And the reporter goes to squish it and in a very, very terrible effect spider flattens but then POPs back brings back keeps walking like Yeah Shit for me. It's very bad. Horrible. Yeah and that's that's just the fact that spiders or genetically. Modified. And while that's happening after that they all everybody fucking leaves. For some reason, it's a crime scene, but everybody fucking leaves. Not. A. Did screw were out there? He's there cops alerting the reporter and time for walk all over the evidence, and there's no crime tape nothing and then the Alpha can leave. Quins by himself. In the laboratory room the arm with the with the syringe is going crazy back and forth whatever and and Clinton because he's dumb, fuck gets the idea that the brilliant idea of letting this mechanical arm inject him with about a half a pint of this untested fucking Jew was his radioactive kool-aid. So. He let he eat it. He lets it inject him, and then he goes home by ten bags of ice and pass out in his tub cover tonight I'm dog sitting there looking at him like you dumb son of a bitch. So, then I'm hungry. The neighbor comes home walks in and sees a dog and. The dog into the bathroom it's in there. He's not in the TUB turns around and jumps geared cheap jump. Scary. For some reason. So then she cleans him up and fix them up whatever, and then they have little seen about you know Blah. Blah. Blah. Whatever is wanted wants to get in your pants, but he can't because he's a fucking pussy. Sonny wakes up the next day and he gets up later that night and he was like a douchebag with the I said he you know they the Kinda like the Guardian ain't notice a Kangol hat. What is King? Kengo Kangaroo fucking. It's that we wears it backwards. Won't be third and for some reason, has a picture of him in. Bug. They, were that close they have the special `love I guess he likes his men older I guess. And So then he goes to this bar all the lockup all which is a cop car yep. And there he talks too heavy said diabetic probably the largest function bartender I've ever seen it's like Andre the giant schlepping drinks and dishes. and. In said, there's also asshole cop punched him earlier What happens to be grills old lady yet nair with him fooling around and In a hidden on girl Oh, and then flirt with him and getting all cozy shit and. Quinn's talking to the bartender about the COP because he wants to gets beat him up whatever and the. Cotton. Gomez will him I? He's a bad guy and the girl that's grills grew because she's a whore in in she likes bad dudes and and guerrillas. Nice. Guys don't mesmerized. She got STD's yeah. So she's out of Ju- froze. She's out of his league. Yeah. So so then girl shows up and tells us or wife to go home and. So she goes home and Right. If she goes home mostly escorted, she's escorted out because of course, she's plastered. Yeah and so acquaintance GonNa about to approach him. But then some other badge bunny pops up on next table next to him starts hitting on the Dick Detective detective a badge bundle of yeah and then snow retreating. Of the neighbor coming home and there's somebody in the bushes watching her Obu and James Call. It's probably the OH. Yeah. There's another side plot. We didn't mention earlier the beginning of the movie. He's reading the paper about this Middletown. Yeah. The midtown killer yeah. He's a serial killer who killed like seven people so far yeah and you call it when the in the scene when the face comes home that the midtown Dick has wanted Tom Dick, he's gotta come out of there somewhere because Mr you know. This is GonNa lead to something eventually. So yeah, they gotta bring the fucker off. So he begins to attack her in the hallway in the hallway in the fucking hallway and not only does he do that? He knocks her the fuck that and is going to literally rape her in the hallway right in the hallway in plain view but she gets a couple of good looks in one, kick one hit but yeah. She knocks her head against the floor knocks route is about to Raipur nobody on that fucking floor comes out to see what the fuss going on. nope. Not a single fucking person though nobody curious neighborhood ever. Yeah. We're apartment complex ever. All. Room. Scuffling. All your down. Trying to watch matlock. People's Court is on. Ticket is curator Raipur and Quinton comes home and all of a sudden because he sorry starting to have these, you know the the superpower starting kick in Yup he has super hearing that's it. He's able to hear the struggle. So I haven't seen a hat like that since revenge of the nerds part to. Like twenty fucking years ago. So then he he runs up and he sees the Guy Doing. So he ends up pushing him so hard that he flies eight feedback, it's awesome in straight line straight line into the gender closet Yep. Then after that happens he freaks out and. The waiter waiter, the The neighbor. About the WAKEUP. So, he jumps through the fucking window out to the fire escape. It just jumps in the game. He just went onto, win the or just walk down. The Right Guy. I'm. Going to be. Stupid. jumps down doing really stupid effects and his arms looking like he really bad tattoo. That formula starting to raise through his veins. So it looks like a tat. Yeah. It does look tracing all his veins and stuff and that's what everybody keeps saying. Oh it's COOL TURBINE So then when you call it, the gorilla goes home and finds his wife asleep on the couch. In the culture to you gotTa, you gotTa put that in front of because that ain't. She didn't know how she's an alcoholic whore. Yes. So. Then then the cuts to Quinton, he can't sleep. He's tossing and turning he's getting hungry. He can't sleep and then it cuts to the next morning he comics because he's a fucking nerd and he's got a copy of the paper midtown killer killed the world saved Blah Blah Blah. Now. Let me time I, comics, comics, I read them you know. So I'm not saying that he's nervous ECOMMERCE nerve because his his method of researching what's happening to them is fucking comics. What do I do? What we fucking comics has the enter? Yeah. Then he's talking to his neighbor next morning and and they're heading to the basement to drop off some shit. And a run to the lower Linens Gigi again. Oh yeah and this time he damn near breaks fucking face He puts the mandible claw a auction up quitting like puts a medical on the dude with the hat. Damn. Near brings his face doesn't only runs here literally is faith yeah. I was saying she was going to cave is fucking all in it. So. What happened to me a little bit detail the. Dickhead in the hat addition to had He he sees coming down there carrying boxes, and so he makes a stupid asinine funny comments like, Hey, can I can I get your box? He does that. With his hands where you know he's pretending. So he's got his fingers he's got a tongue in between his fingers and then that's when. Quentin. Grabs him like that. He knows Clinton's only one whose name we know hear. Anybody else's name ten grill. Yeah. Yeah. But like when he had on against, it's not invite thought he was going to squeeze his hands so hard that he was in use his own fingers to cut off his tongue. Yeah. That'd been cool. That'd be awesome. They knew shit note. So then they go to the basement job no nothing no, he just. Go to the basement, drop off their shit, and then the next scene is Him Sleeping and he's happy because he talked to his girl, he's funding pussy, but then it cuts you. Breezes right through. Back to the at the at the. Comic. Shop. And gloriously, they are what hit on the TV is the nineteen, Fifty, eight earth vs spider original that we actually reviewed in season two. So he's watching the original that this movie is. Very very, very very. Very, very very loosely based on and so far this nowhere near no no, you know we're near that. No. So by the way I guess John Chose Kirk I love John, thanks great actor yea but his character and his movie. It's like I feel like it's what Herald lead did before he was an accountant. In Harold Kumar, go to white castle the. Because he sound like he sounds like, Kumar. In this movie Yup. What is John? Chose Anyway. Yeah. So then then quincy upstairs and he'd have he's having flashes and all like all this shit's happening too because his body changing and and then it cuts to him hovering above. By the way. The motherfucker doesn't have he has a bed. But You Sleep he sleeps in a HAMMOCK AND IN A. Cloth Webcam it's a Web Hammett. Yeah didn't. He wakes up he's hovering above and he wakes up and he's got a fucking a strand of of of fucking web coming out of his chest shit attached to the ceiling nine, his arm because they can't rip that off can't any arms. Maybe if it came out of his Dick. Correct yeah. Exactly. So he's comes out of the middle. This chest it looks like he's got an asshole. Chest he's gluten thing he finally breaks loose falls defunct down, and then he starts practicing in his apartment by splitting over everything. Yeah and. The. Thing is chest just looks like a butthole yeah. Like I said it just it's reaching a high level of Corny, right? Yeah. But I get it the music, the background playing like Superhero the. Old, school shit this is their equivalent of the scene where were. Where Tony is making all of his tech for the first IRONMAN. Their version of it. Yeah. Except that was good. So then then he wants to practice on a moving target and he concludes his dog. And then has he goes to to release them. He starts getting really hungry and realize the fucking dog James around like going to dog eat. Dog and the dog either put my foot through the screen. But thankfully, he runs out of his apartment and he runs down ends up at a grocery store or a convenience store and. For some fucking reason in this. Convenience store. It's open for business right now There's no customers, but it's open yet the. I don't know which one of them works are probably the dude but. In the background while while Clinton's in, they're freaking out you hear the background girl saying please stop don't please don't stop and the guys like I'm going rob you you know what? Maybe I can rape you So he goes over there and fucking suplexes the shit out of this dude slams through this table. Yeah and basically kills him to okay spot they can. He say he served in the she start screaming because These two are working on some kind of weird as grocery store robbery fantasy fantasy. Yeah. Thing going on in the middle of the open store, the taxi open for Business Yep, and then she freaks fuck out and leaves and he gets pissed off at her because she's running out acting like a lunatic. So he splurges her as pending her to the fucking ground. Yep He doesn't hurt her no, but he just pins her down so she can't do shit. So then because he's in a panic, just by coincidence Dick hop comes up. Well, you know they ain't got money in for more actors nearly. Two cops in the whole movie shows up in he's about to a free the girl, and then all of a sudden out of like a fucking stare top of the stairs Quinton shows up any flies down in the worst. Effect it's God. Awful like you can see, you can see supposed to be flying coast me just I guess jumping straight down the stairs to get. You can see on his shirt back of his shirt, the top back of shirt there the hook is the harnesses. That's carrying him down there. You can clearly see it. Lame So the next morning the neighbor opens up the door and finds the dog in there with with a note, take care of dog I don't want to eat the little. Like okay good. Glad that he gave the dog the dog out August safe. Yeah. Because if anybody knows me knows Chris you kill anybody in the movie you want but do not kill though. Yeah. So then what happens next is I mean it's it's We can run through, but it's really the by the numbers. Typical can yeah. Movie setup is exactly like if by seeing the fly. Yes. You know the other. Spiderman you know all this I'm sorry. But yes, there is legal obviously loose ripoffs right? You know that are translated this movie and they try to keep it different. But yeah, you're right. It's it's gradual transformation. It's predictable. Oh, here comes he's changing his face starts getting fucked up. Then he grows little claws out of his face like Holy Shit, and so you know you know at this point normally we'd have like the kill count going but literally every death that has taken place in this movie taking place offscreen Yeah offscreen hadn't even really i. Haven't even been any yet to be honest with you the only. Because he he killed the COP. No. He didn't killed Kobe. But he did kill the dude because in the next scene detective, Grillo, and his partner at the convenience store body slammed and that's In an. E- when the COP show up the next day that guy has been sucked dry that's true because he's as Ambi- that's right and that's That's A dry suck. Yeah. So. Yeah. So he least killed that guy but it was all offscreen. Yeah. So we're we're not gonNA, use a kill counter for this episode because all the deaths take place screen. This is true. Yeah. You don't see any actual death onscreen. So then some time later linear squeaky come up and they hear what's Quinton taunting him from the basement and then go in and they're attacked and killed offscreen. They're killed off screen their webbed up and you're like Oh for God's yeah. This all the time Quinn's changing little by little detective is trying to figure out what's going on he. He's he finds the web. He thinks something weird's going on the neighbor is trying to get a hold of Clinton because she's worried about him because she likes him. and. Then a detective grill comes home. After A. Clinton gets the -tective comes on the finest horror drunk wife upset. Because her her loverboy is gone Goan. Yeah and he's like I don't know where he's at fucked up bitch. She blames him of course, and so he leaves he gets he gets a sample of the web and he takes as at after these investigate. Yeah he's gone back after he's starting to try to zero in on Clinton here as possible, and then we get this really great scene where where the comic shop middle of the Night Yup and John Show comes out of the room because he heard a noise and he comes out saying I'm GONNA call the cops and he's got a light save get the darth Maul Liser is only one side lit yeah. But he's got the lightsaber that's pretty fucking great. It is Hilarious Yeah And so then we're. Retreated, unnecessary scene where Quinton asked him how the avenging Arachne can be killed. Any tells them some bullshit about a broken heart yeah But then he also pays him the money for the shit that he bought earlier in the movie or he tried. Yeah Yeah. and then he says you're good for and he takes up yeah. Yeah. You didn't hurt him now completely unnecessary scene because he's trying real hard not to hurt anybody right but the spider part of him was taking over. So then. We get another scene where So we we cut to. Detective Grillo. Has. Come back to the apartment and gone on the basement fines like eight people. Web Default includes partners within the COP Including Cup the Dick dig out the one he didn't like who is still alive. Yeah. But tells them to kill him because he's in pain but he eats he turns around eight different people already webbed up dead you looking around and then his wife shows up yet she's in the. Following him and she goes down there and did COP actually kills himself. So once again does not count as a kill count. ONSCREEN offscreen. Anyway. Yeah. So then She gets taken by Quinton and taken down an alley and. Chases after them and scares him off Yep and while he's attending to his wife. We go. We get. We cut to upstairs where neighbor is coming home and she's trying to get her apartment. She can't 'cause he's an idiot and then sudden quinton appears. And when he appears. She turned looks at him and then all of a sudden four arms grottoes. Yeah, and the CGI part within growth is fucking terrible. Yeah. But then that they become practical effects in, they're pretty fucking awesome. Not Too bad. Yeah. Actually map to bed. Yeah. So then he He Lexi doing tekere no. Because yeah. He took out grows wife eventually dies of her. Yeah. I guess he was drawing fluid out of her some Ryan and so he ended up kidnapping his neighbor and So grillo goes upstairs find neighbors gone and then runs back downstairs to find her. In the in the basement to go to where they go to Oh cross the street. There's an empty building across the street that he's taking her to and he's webbed up completely. Yep. Outside somewhere. An, alley old billion or some. That's all the torn down and Shit until the effect of her web is absolutely horrible. It's the was all CGI throw was Kinda hot. Legs are spread apart you per as. We also we also had to mention that we we we made fun of her fucking here the entire time because you have these horrible bangs, and then at one point she had the bangs off to the side like borate. Yeah. Like a fucking coma where like you said So then finally, the last thing where she's fucking strewn up on the actual count good harassed has gone pin down looks good. She actually looks good. Yeah. But then retreated to a scene where the detective comes face to face with Grillo Grillo with a Quinton who's fully transformed. Yeah, and it looks awesome. It does these are Stan Winston's monster effects. Done. Tell you what I was not disappointed. No, he's got these these manuals, these Six. Other is that like ones being the rest are smooth and he's got his arms and and his his teeth and his just everything's great. He almost looks like a spider Predator looking thing he does off. Yeah. So then he tells the -tective kill him because he doesn't want to kill his neighbor and cops like no I'm not going to kill you. So then he gives them no choice. Turns around and he flies fucking fly. Not a spider, a fly you the web to any shoot any web to do it just yeah he's jealous jumps and fly his floats. So right as he's flying to get the girl, the COP shoots and like. Ray empties is nine into his back Yup and then whatever he's got there for whatever quinton dies and and again, you don't mean blood in the makeup effects in these last couple of scenes are spectacular. Absolutely. Spectacular that he goes limp dies movies over we didn't get anything good like that. The entire movie no like all of makeup effects did of him transforming were just like his is slouching or like like they had his Mandela's came out his mouth at one point four CGI look like. A won't point his hand CGI's into a spider ham fucking pig off Yup which I mean is. The. Practical effect. It's it's fine but it's not anything you know spectacular. Yeah. Until he gets full spider form that it's fucking awesome. Yes. Yeah. So then it the scene transitions in were in the comic shop in we're looking at the arraigned of engine arachnids statue that Queen had bought from his friend Yep, an offscreen John. Show. Is telling you some somebody who gives a fuck because he can't see him. Say nonstarter that one's for sale camera pans over. Retreated to a statue of Quinton as the spider which you actually said came with the special ish. Yeah. There's a special edition movies like three dollars Wow that comes with the DVD and then the the actual statue of Clinton. As a spider. Actually Pretty fricken. Bad. It was very cool but he says, sorry, that's not for sale. That's that's my friend Quinton. Quinton he's my friend and then it fades out and that's the end of the guy movie. That's it, yes oh no titties no nudity. No Gore every kill off screen. Yeah. So we're not using the count note. Dan was everybody acted it was great at acting well for the most part. There were people who? Felt very watered down. We need righted version. Yeah. Because it was watered very down. Yeah. Didn't have the impact. This could have been shown on television. Oh literally, there was no regular TV. No reason for this to be on schedule isn't even a whole lot of cussing I remember to be honest with you now I don't know. I. Mean I mean we were in the movie did yeah. As he mentioned, it was just entertaining enough to be fun. Yeah, But it's not fun enough to be entertaining. NOPE, and since it is your pick you go first, what is your window I mean I, said acting good. The special effects once he gets in the fall creek trauma is awesome. The CGI sucks badly. Stories completely stupid the script is just I mean it's Wasn't like they had a script they were just like total. Okay. Some lines and that's it. Yeah. checkers were all just stock standard characters nobody everybody was one dimension yeah The dog was great. Of course, all dogs always great in court. So I'M GONNA go with a three, a three hundred middle row. Bummer for the season Premiere I know like like I liked it for the most part, but it was it was so slow in between any of the actual action and in the action that happened was happening for Split Second. Then the best part of the action happened offscreen YEP GERACI and see Shit and so I just it's just like I'll probably watched again with some friends but like I'm not going to rush to watch again, blow what we need to do is find the unrated versions. Yeah and maybe do that as a special episode. FRY. Patriots maybe maybe a visit or something who maybe maybe maybe we'll do one of our live events. Yeah. Yeah. Very what about you? Okay, WE'LL ME I. Thought the acting was deliciously corning cap very corny. I love background. The. You know the the buildups and stuff like that I. Love the comic splashes I love the whole theme. It wasn't obvious ripoff from sorry. It was loud shit was borrowed I match. They had to pay people to use some of this stuff even the premises or the ideas and stuff like that. Right practical effects from pretty damn good. Okay. You know especially the monster at the end. Yeah. wasn't enough to pull it up real high for me. No script. Corny. But decent it was well acted Ethan it was well acted guy. That delivered it see it could have been a lot worse. Had It not been delivered? You know as good I mean was to give them like a four but not that up a notch. Okay. I'M GONNA have to agree with you for what it was and what we didn't get because like I said, we watched the watered down version which we were unaware of obviously I'm GonNa go with returns as well. you know drink with it it's you know yeah watch. It's really it's I can't be mean to it because of the effects stand man did real good on the on monster. Yeah. But it might be good with some sticky but yeah I mean if you do movies in, you haven't then the problem is that and and this is going to go back to our contest This movie is out of print. So it's hard to find out so unless you want to pay forty bucks you. Can't rented anywhere. Yeah. There's there's no stream service at that's on. You can't rent it from Amazon whatever you have to buy a physical copy of absolutely nuts. Yeah and the fact that like I said, it's unrated like I, said I'm betting if we watch the unrated version I may pull it to a two or even one. Perhaps me be attending depending on the content. Yeah. It would have to have all the Gore would have to be there on the. You have to see all the Australian kills. 'em Suck sucking the fluid out of his victim. You know spider ship yes. Exactly. If he's going to be a spider monster, you need to see the spider monster kills. We did not get any of that xactly, but it didn't suck enough to garner four did not. So yeah. Middle Road definitely, just charm to make it a three. Yep. Yeah absolutely. All Right Bud will want you tell the fine folks at home they can find us in all the. Fun stuff going on all the great stuff. All right folks you can find us on the fourth hand dot com network along with our sister projects state of fear you can find us on facebook of course, the big evil we are on instagram and we are now on twitter we got back on twitter. Yeah, we did. We are also going to be running. We have our. PAYCHECK is up yet. Dot Com, slash went to Suck Yep all one word glasnost gashes. Yeah, and we also have the public dot com. He's which is our merchandise store merchandise stores. If you want some good cool merchandise, go there and get it right. Check out you know other shows on the fourth hand dot com or there there's lots of great shows lots of great people man, this was fun and I. Land to be back doing way too long overdue for sure. Yeah. I've been I got too much anger corked up. Turn it loose? Damn moving a lockdown. Got Me aggravating. Yeah. Everybody. Well, didn't I guess we will head out in this is a I forgot about our chose So this is Chris and I will see y'all next fest. That's right and this is james and if it ain't on what the suck it ain't shit see you guys. You've been listening to four one giant.

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PUMPKINHEAD (1988)

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PUMPKINHEAD (1988)

"Fearful studios podcast network highs can. He'll kill Her you are listening to the horror vein. Podcast the best or be podcast in the world with your hosts robert mazzetti and don at its latest. Gentlemen horror yes. It is and i'm your host robert city. I'm your co host don fisher. We're talking about this week The movie pumpkin directed by the great stan winston. Yeah wow yeah. Wow stan winston. Yeah we'll we'll get into the second segment absolutely so this week i've been. I've been watching since i shudder now. I've been watching creepshow. And i had watched all the td season series. Yeah because the second. Season's coming out in april and So i was like. I'd seen like a first few episodes and i liked it. I thought it was cool. So i'm like i'm catching up. So now been you know going through a lot of the segments. I haven't gone through the first season yet but I have to say it's it's actually pretty good. It's not like like the movie. Is the movies fantastic but right for tv series. And what they do. I enjoy it. It's fun it's how many episodes in the first season. I think there's nine. If i wanted but there seems to each each segments has two stories in it. Okay and there's certain things that are really like about it and then there's certain things that i probably would have done differently but i it's like it's okay because the second episode are you on i think on six or seven l. i i can't remember but and is it. Reminiscent of the film is the same style. Try because what they do is you know. They opened up the segments with the The the creeper and then and then he doesn't say anything he just laughs and stuff like that but he animated. He's sometimes his animated sometimes. He's a practical effect. You know because it's okay. It's done by the got. It does the walking dead so it's really good so okay so then they go into like the comic book style thing where they show the pages and stuff like that and then it goes into the segment like the movie. So it's kind of like two separate stories in two separate stories. Yeah they had holly halloween one. That was pretty good and then Some really good. So if i if if you're thinking about getting shudder might be worth it For this one show they have a whole bunch of great stuff on there. And i'm really impressed with it and it's not that much money and i'm not there. They are not a sponsor so now it sounds like we to them. But i would highly recommend it i You know they had The movie that i've been waiting to see on their everyone's talking about this movie. I was i was like dynasty this morning. Finally got it In in just recently it's called the dark and a wicked okay. It's independent horror film. everyone's talking about. I'm like kind of the 'cause it's been on everyone's top ten list for two thousand and twenty in everyone's going. Oh you gotta see this movie or you're gonna see the movie so i was like okay. Cool here it is all right. Did you watch. I watched it. Yes and it's it's a slow burn. Man i was. I didn't know what to expect. It's very berry berry. Slow at the beginning. Okay once kicks in. You're you're trying to figure out what the hell's going on and it's relentless it's i mean it's good. There's some things. I would've changed but it just wasn't as good as i thought it was gonna be but okay. That's because they hyped it too much a mile. Maybe but there's you know some of the scenes. They were scary. There's a really just a couple really good scare scenes in it and then there's other scenes round like I want to ask. But it's like the mo- it's there is no happy moment in this movie whatsoever. I mean it's number. It's downbeat is no comic relief. No kind of relief. Okay once it kicks in and grabs. You won't let you go just like what's happening to the people in the movie. I mean without spoiling anything. What is the premise. It's pretty much about It's takes place in a farmhouse in These Grandparents against the father is sick and the mother calls her siblings two out to the farmhouse to help her But she's like. I really don't want you here when you find out. Why later on. But it's really weird. It just starts really weird and she's acting weird and it just goes from there. I can't talk okay. Anybody that i know it. That's in it as far as the actors. Are maybe alexander berkeley if you know who he is if you saw him you probably know him Okay he plays a priest in there. And what you see them. You're like oh that guy okay but okay. That's about it. it's very well done. Don't get me wrong. But i was expecting something more and i thought it'd be a little bit more scary. I mean it's got some really scary stuff and then it was like scenes where it could have been really scary. They kinda screwed it up was gonna mediocre. Yeah i've been there. I've been there. This is slow at the beginning. God knows fall asleep. Only witnesses move really is. What is this going to happen. Would you say for the first half or most but then when it starts going it's like okay cool but like turn on a dime this turn on a dime but just like actually stuff starts happening. Okay okay but anyway. So dark. And the wicked. Dirk in the wicked. Yes right. And that's on shudder shorter. Yes now is the only way. I can see the creepshow tv series. Shudder catch it. Unless it's a shutter exclusive or something. Right now i don't know if after the first season though release. Dvd or something like that. Maybe later on but are netflix sir. Hello because it's it's it's made specifically for schroder. Oh yeah and like how much is shudder. it's cheap. it's like five ninety nine a month a month. Yeah that's really cheap. It's not and they got a lot of let a good horror films on her. Yeah i'm i'm really i'm close money you can't it. It's not that expensive. A have new stuff coming on all the time. They got the second season coming up in april and they just signed for a third season. So it's been great show creepshow is going to be at least three seasons now and it's decent you like it. Yeah it's not it's like. I said it's not bad. It's not you know if you're a fan of the movie movie you enjoyed i was. I was surprised. I was like okay. I was i was like i don't know if they'll be able to pull this off and what i've seen so far. I'm like i like this. This is not bad. it's not creepshow. Two oh god no yeah. Yeah and then they third. Oh my god speaking of sequels am. I know we'll probably get to this in the second segment. But i saw they did like like four. Pumpkin heads. is there for at least three. Yeah there's all my god i'm like. What are you bringing this up now. This isn't the second fort. We'll talk about the second. We'll get there get their kid. Yeah i know. I on the other hand has nothing here. I inside is i been hogging the segment. So you're good because i didn't watch i didn't watch anything i go. Well now don't feel bad now. I'm glad you had something. Because i didn't have anything we would be like going We know what we'd be doing you know we'd be doing. Would we be talking about. I did watch double jeopardy talking about that. She gets trapped in a cost in terrain orleans. We'll be going back. That's creepy women back when We had nothing to talk about. We've talked about star. Wars and mcdonald's drive-thru absolutely. Yeah although i was i actually i probably could have because i actually not feeling well yesterday and i called him and i just Yeah so i was. I was watching. Tv that was on. Was it like a stomach thing or head. Coach stomach and a headache yeah. She's not enough. That i was expecting that but no nothing like that. Nothing like that. No oh gosh nor like flashbacks to When you have a colonoscopy those are fun see see the tangents we go on you see where you you just talking on that pants. Rob you see what you did there. So i was watching tv. I could've watched a horror film. i didn't But double jeopardy was on. So of course i did my homework. Wwj cohen. no no. No and then i went and then i did my homework. I like unhinged and something probably a lot better. But i was just lazy. And i i didn't i could've okay. Are you gonna watch it six months. I know i actually have to lie. The problem. the problem on two blackhawks games this weekend and that took up a lot of my time courts. I knew it dude. I was sean. One wasn't doing well this year They are well. They're with captain. They say what is wrong. Cain isn't he captain. No no yeah. Kanter is great. But they won't say what's going on with jonathan tapes. Come on. He's had this mystery illness. I think he's gonna lose. He hasn't played since the start. And they're not. They're not saying what it is very hush hush about it. That's all now know if it was cove it it would have been over with right now. People are thinking. Well what the hell is it. Is it cancer. I mean you know. Nobody knows yeah. That's where without andrew shower without seabrook. So it's just like you know but then you got all these rookies. That are doing wonderful anyway. The all canadian listeners. And we know your big hockey fans but yeah. They're probably huge montreal canadian's and the calgary flames cock. So do we do sorry at least hopefully. He's still listen to us. Yeah so i'll i'll i digress. Anyway so this is. I know so the circle back or a new thing now. Let's talk about sports in horror films. Sports 'cause i don't know much about anything else but You're you're hey you're doing really well down there my friend. Your lightning won the cup. Your your buccaneers won the super balls and you're raised almost won the world series. So there you go there you go. Yeah laura's lake. You are just buzz and down there. My friend i'm telling you. I'm telling you is because i moved down here. That's why i think so. I think the dolphins going and boom all my god and you'll be magic. You know come. Yeah i everything going on anyway. So that's what took up most of my time. And i just i could've watch something and i just didn't but you know I'm i'm disappoint. You got to really do your homework now. I know well thankfully you were able to pick up the slack this time because of strikes. No i know we get somebody. Got a detention. Go sit in a chair do that as a little kid. I had to just sit. There couldn't get out of the chair. Rob i'm telling you but creepshow because i know you're a huge fan all my god. Thank you would enjoy it. So so i think i dance gonna push me over the edge and probably order it but you gotta understand something. I don't like it. You can always cancel so the heat offering the thirty day free trial. I don't know if they have the thirty day. But i know they have a seven day free trial if you go to like groupon or something like that. You might be able to get a a code for a thirty day because that's what you got. Yeah that's what your past it. And i told me now. I'm keeping show so you're paying for oakland pan forecast but it's cheap as it like six bucks a month. That's all and they put new horror films on there all the time they got a lot of So they have a lot of independence independence Some of them that you know are released on shudder before the release on dvd. Or blu ray and then they have a lot of older films you know like they have all a lot of dairy or gento films and You know different different or things. There's a lot of stuff then. They have their own. Tv shows as well as creepshow. They have a couple of other ones. And so it's pretty cool. Let's run by. Amc you know. Oh okay shudder. As part of amc so right right. I saw that. I think that new walking dead show on there. Which sucks balls. Yeah i just. I was india would and then had just like diana and i just lost interest and i think it was. Yeah it was around the time. Like frank darabont left. I think that was around about that time wendy. Three lire fight left. That was after the second season at the whole show walking. Dead down fucking home. Yeah i mean. I think shortly after ethic was lou for that show that show was sogo darabont there and then the that's also the director of the shawshank redemption and the green mile. So yeah two fabulous the man and the mc fucked up to fuck them on a whole bunch of money. That's why left ice created that whole show. He put it all together. I know he did. Yeah but like. I said before the comic book is way better than the show. If you want to really get into it. Read the comic book. Now oh okay. So and then they get all the off shoots like the fear the walking by and then had this new one. That just came out. There's not sure they do rats five of how they're trying to you know it's all about money says walking dead people watch. It is just ridiculous. Yeah yeah and i. And i like the pro like design vs. I like what they were doing with it. You know what i really liked is that it's just like this. Open world clans and lou group. You don't know yeah. I mean it's just endless. Yeah love that. But clinton's dombi coconut Oh god yeah. I just i'm good. I'm good oh good. Oh tommy lee. What's his name man. Come on and what's his name. Oh what do you hear. hero soda. Harrelson adam white man. Yeah cheers cheers and many other centers. But i a nando on that not all right we will come back since we've board are already so far. Yeah we'll come back. And we'll talk about the nineteen eighty-eight movie. Pumpkin head directed by stand with winston. And we'll be right back. Goanywhere whom studios podcast. Hey everyone this is robert city. From the horror vein. Podcast i'm here to remind all you filmmakers out there that you know if you have a movie that you wanted to submit to a really really cool for film festival checkout freakshow horror film festival in orlando just go to their website at freakshow film fest dot com and you can get all the information you need to submit your movie. There are one of the largest horror film festivals in the country. So it's a must if you're any filmmaker to submit to this film festival so if you're a filmmaker and you're looking to submit your movie to one of the best horror film festivals in the country if not the world then check out freakshow horror film festival just go to freakshow film film fest dot com and get all the information that you need and tell them robertson. Yeah if you're looking for something fun geeky and motivational to listen to check out this. Podcast shannon the slayer where we are slaying negatively and taking your mentality to the next level one episode at a time. So if you're ready it's time to level up and we're back with the greatest podcast in the whole damn world are yes. I'm your host robert city. I'm your co host don fisher and we're talking about the nineteen eighty eight classic horror film. Pumpkin fantastic out. Just come right out. And say it. Struck by stan winston If anybody out. There is not familiar with stan winston He was he's more known for doing special effects special effects makeup he. Did you know all the dinosaurs for jurassic park drastic car to make up for terminator designed. I mean there's so much stuff that this guy did. Oh my god so. I'm assuming that he did the creature pumpkin. Oh yeah that's what you're so great and as movie. I love fantastic. I love pumpkin at this. I like to two things in this movie. I like pumpkin head. A kim talk and i and i love the old which is great. I love her man. I've been waiting to do that all week done. Kp undone. oh my lance hendrick since great. I love his son. i think he the same. I've seen that kid somewhere. I've seen him there. Yeah i've seen him to know where he while he looks like a young john denver. That's what makes. But i seen him before. Know zohar jesus fucking funny and a very young. John young shot dead blows but i i have seen before and i'm trying to place it but i can't. I know exactly what you mean i. Here's my love reminds me the kid in Tom cruise movie showing the money Oh jerry maguire mcguire. It reminds me of that. Might be the same because that was nineteen eighty eight. Maybe it's older. Maybe maybe these spawned it same. Wasn't there a kid on the brady bunch. Looked like him. I think so. I think there's like. I think hollywood has a a cloning machine for this kid yeah i think so. And he came in later in the later episodes remember his name and we gotta do is put some glasses on him and he looks like the same kid from over decades. Yeah absolutely. I think it was wasn't a remember Detroit rock city. See that movie with the guys. Go to the kiss concert if you know but it's a good movie turns out okay. Kiss meets the phantom. I've seen that. There's a film for you. There is some quality center for your friend now. But if you're thinking man you gotta see it. You got to see if your kiss fan. It's a month and no minute too. 'cause awesome but anyway i liked him. I mean you know what. I was amazed at rob how fast they established the father son relationship and how quickly i cared about both of them. I mean i didn't take that law and that's that's really the whole movie. I mean all it is. If you didn't have that it just kind of like fall it would fall flat. It really would yeah And i like all the other actors. I love the kid all the other. You know the twentysomethings on the motorbikes and the girls they were everybody was great. One bad guy which one The guy one that had a dui. Well yeah the guy that hits the little kid okay And we did say that. We have spoilers in this segment right now. We do have spoilt the guy that i didn't want i didn't like them into. I thought he was the worst actor in the whole world. Because i don't know he was. Just terrible i i couldn't. I'm like the fuck you just weren't feeling it. I wasn't feeling any of it. I mean. I just didn't think he was a good actor but but he didn't ruin the obviously the movie for now. It's just in his parts but he was playing the bad guy. So i was like a whatever. Okay okay but i hear you did. He didn't do much. And there is this other thing. And i don't know if you saw the or or noticed it. But it was a couple of instances where i thought it was hilarious. I was laughing out loud but it wasn't funny but they have these like these second where the camera moves in. Somebody's there and put this in early. Like oh yeah trying to scare you and yes. They did one part where the dog jumps up on the bed. Oh yeah it was like like they're trying to scam like what the foot was reminded me like some. I don't know like a like a really low independent movie. Here's what the hell they're doing making movies like oh scare them. We'll put that music in there. Just wasn't working at all like dude now. Not at all. Take that sound dog. He was good to the dog was really good. It was a really good. I was great. Yeah yeah he had a lot of scenes and they did really well with the dog and the obviously the which was amazing she was. I love that was. She was just great. Yeah she was great. And then i'll tell you what it had been. So i gotta be honest with you. I don't even remember a lot of it. And so i don't even know if maybe i just hadn't even seen it or maybe it's been so long it's it was one of those with you. Know with fresh eyes. You know. And i just i loved it i just lance henriksen was great. Everybody's great. It's it's that throwback to the old man movie that yeah we haven't seen in a while and yeah. I saw this in the theater. And i had owned it longtime. I haven't seen it in a long time. Until now. And i was like i got this movie. I forgot the You know just the atmosphere of the film and the look and it's kind of like a backwoods fable in you got this Thing that the people can call town know like if something bad goes on. They can call on this thing this pumpkin head into bear. You have to go through this whole ritual of digging it up and yeah some people believe that it really exists that it was just hiring concept i i think that's just a great concept for horror film and i you know you got like a legend legend. Says you know what. I mean if the monster wasn't so good i don't think it would work as well but that he was great. I mean he just looks great and yeah. He looked really really good. I mean just the way they were doing the lighting. I mean yeah. I you know a lot of times when like you know. What's the motivation for. Where this lights coming for obamacare. Just a really. Yeah you know you know you got the streaming lights and it's blue and you get the different orange. I noticed especially with the the witch. You're like oh yeah. Yeah i i was just like the lanterns. But i'm like nah i mean it. It wouldn't be that orange but it didn't bother me. It didn't bother me i just. I just liked her. She was just like stare into the fire and she didn't have to do anything just and she's in makeup and she has his press and i like whoever played her such a fantastic job. Yeah and she. She really set a lot and she didn't move a muscle and you were less captivated drawn. Yeah you really word reword that she said yeah oh yeah. I was so impressed with her and i was well. I think the other partout is that you know it's like she's telling him what he has to do. You know so. That was intriguing to me. Like it wasn't just there in her cabin. You know you have to go to this graveyard. You have to go to the certain spot you know and all this the one thing is is that nobody knows where she's but that's the other thing except that one kid if that kid i think people knew her. She was app but they didn't want to go there because they knew there's a consequence of asking for it. And that's what. I love about the beginning of the movie at sets up the whole concept. I love that park area. That was great learners great. If something's going on at night black everyone's locking their doors and everyone's around the fire because who knows what's going on and and that was a young land hendrickson when he was a boy and a pumpkin head things coming around and he sees it. And it's like you know it's burned into his brain brian. You know it's like what is this thing. And i thought he'd have to go on it or doing. Yeah absolutely but that may makes love did that. And it's like you you don't blame him but then oh and on the other hand you hate kids you have aaron like but there's some good kids in some bad kids but yeah i i like the fact that he he realizes that he went too far and tries to correct it and I think it's a message for horror. Film I are too but it's a it's a classic it's almost like if you think about. It's almost like frankenstein where he didn't create the monster but he did. You know all the was already there but he. He had seen what he did. He's like oh. I shoot brought it to life. Shouldn't have bought this thing to life. And it's kind of the concept for frankenstein realizes that the frankenstein monster was great achievement and then it starts killing people. I went too far when you tried to play guide. This is what rights that's right. That's right that's interesting. And i didn't make the connection that those lance henriksen pumpkin head were were basically. They were one you know to. I mean they were found by this blood pact or whatever with his blood and sons blood whatever it is man i whatever. They graze contact lenses that the house like looking. I'm going that looks creepy dude out. That was great. But i i thought he was going to start turning like that at all. I just i didn't really you know. Look for the first time is a fucking genius with special effects and makeup and all other shit. Yeah you look at that. Pumpkin head monster kneeling goddamn and it's like it's not like only shown half of it. They're showing the whole creature in. It's moving like real listed. League reminded me like the alien queen. Yeah and it's got those weird back legs. And oh yeah i was like fuck. Yeah you know think he wants to something to something else. i noticed. it wasn't very gory. No it wasn't not at all no as there is a little bit of blood here and there of which i thought was funny. I mean it's wasn't supposed to be funny. But i took it as funny When pumpkin head had that one girl and he's rubbing her face against the glass all your kitchen and he smashes her face through and then that was the most. I think there was the bloodiest scene in. I was like well. I guess they had one. I kill with the kid. Run can where. Yeah yeah but. But i was like i think they made it a little bit more warrior nazis. Where they you know. At least i don't know if it was rated r. Or bladder. And all but i was not very team horror. Yeah and and you know what again. We said this many many times before. You don't sometimes. You don't need all that a lot of times you don't well no if you've got style on atmosphere and you know camera shots and every you know the mood and everything just big story. I think stan just went. All out on. The creature didn't worry about other effects. I i totally agree. I totally agree. Here's the thing had he not it. Wouldn't i mean it's titled pumpkin head and if if the creature isn't good then the whole movie then it just it just falls on its face. You're gonna lose. Yes not gonna work. And then he had that that whole Dynamic of where you got these city folk come to meet You know the people out in the boonies in The differences between cultures. And how things are kind of run in. I i like the about. It's it's it's really sad when a kid gets hit by the motorcycle all in the kids feel this is forced genuinely feel bad about it. You're you're helpless is before cell phones. No one around. Where do you go is there. There's no hospital right. They went to the jenner the grocery store they think that the handle the whole situation wrong which is realistic. You know kids wouldn't be able to handle the guy standing. There didn't see anything while a father's warning up going on his little boy on the ground. And i really didn't know what to say. There's nothing you can say. And then when he did you know he gets the look an spot. And what's also realistic. Is that the actor. You didn't like his stories you know he would have had a d. had area dishonors record and had he got you know i mean you know you just killed a kid so yeah he would have been put away rally for life story they of course he ran and then all starts locking up his in cynically. Yeah yeah you know. They're waiting afraid that they're going to try to call. The cops are waiting for the cops show up. And i don't think there is a you know any kind of law the now this is out in the boonies man. Yeah here's your yeah. Lamont and the only justice is the pumpkin head. That's the giant in this area. Pretty much you know so. That's what he did. And he was so distraught. In you know. And i and i like the fact that the the which you know she warns them. You know you know what you're getting into. And he's yeah gilmore on she's like okay and she says i can't bring your boy back right and i like that too. You know like what kind of which do you think. I am guy i want i want revenge. I dunno becomes. Says say that. He's just like he just says that killed my boy. What's really sad. And then i it's kinda done kind of but i like when he keeps seeing his. You know the boy would come up and go daddy. What did you do all. That was great. I was like that was great. That's scary coming from boy just like it feels so for sorry for him and oh yeah yeah. Yeah he's such an innocent go yet and he was just running after his dog. Good thing is that common and it's kind of like everything is like. Hey what's going to happen. That's boomer everything. yeah i know right. It's a downer. It's downright but i. i just think it's just so well done for the eighties. I mean just yeah. That's not a again another movie where there's no comedy it's not. It's not really. It's it's pure revenge movie and then he's trying to stop it and yeah realize pumpkin head is himself. Yeah that's got dark ending. It's a classic tragedy story and with a moral has got a moral to it and Yeah it's you know it's got some flaws to it in it's dated but jeez that monster still holds up today. I mean so well done man. I mean just sitting there going. Damn that looks good at creature is something else now. I know how you feel about sequels but have you seen any of the god no no no l. That's what i figured. That was pumpkin head to blood wings. What the fuck is that. And then there's is there four or then there was two additional sequels. Pumpkin head ashes to ashes and pumpkin head blood feud those were filmed in two thousand and six but they were made for television and then they were broadcast on. Sci fi. were all made for welsh. Inclu just the to the nineteen ninety four the second with a second sequel blood wing was nineteen. Okay yeah that one was in the theaters. I have no idea. I didn't even know until i started researching there was fucking or movies. Pumpkin head which now believe it makes sense. 'cause that's what they do now when now it's like i don't even know how many fucking wrong turn movies. They're arming there. Must be like twenty seven. I know with the front end even know those were there. They were pumping amount. Goes straight video talking about taking of. I think they just released this most recent one. Yeah it's been. It's been on a an apple. Tv for a while to to rent i-it's curious. I'm curious but i'm not paying twenty dollars. Fuck that shit. Oh it's twenty bucks. Wow maybe it's not maybe it's like oh no you can buy it for ten and i was like you can't rent it yet. Now i would wait until it comes on like. Hbo or shorter or something. Like that. i agree. I don't know anything about it and it just came straight to there which you know. Most movies are doing that but they didn't even try to give the ethical now now. They didn't which is kind of so. That's that's what has me worried about it. And that's it was just a reboot. I really do it to you. Know and while it's not a santa plum house. So it's not okay. I mean i could be wrong. Maybe it is. I have no idea. I've just you know but yeah they're trying to make more money on it and i'm just like come on the first i don't classic cash and by the way that segment. Yes our our segment that we talk about wrong turn is our most popular segments out of all still yes thing still go out and tasks of that movie because everybody's probably thinking we're talking about that movie and we're talking or they are going. Oh yeah. I remember the classic. I wanna listen to that. So yeah that's true either way either way. We appreciate listen we do. We do absolutely so. Yeah well. I definitely recommend The the stan. Winston classic pumpkin head the only movie he directed I could be wrong but like you said. He's a makeup guys at a real director. He's not unlike so. I wonder why he i guess he just Decided to try hand directing. I guess you know when pumpkin head came out He was on top of the world. You know he had done the one he wants to oscars for terminator two. Wow during the best visual effects and best makeup cash and he won An oscar for aliens aliens to yeah he did he was nominated. My gosh yeah. He did He did the stuff he gives nominated. For predator. he did predator all my gosh. He did edward scissorhands. he was nominated. how He did Bam returns and ask her for best. Visual effects for jurassic park was nominated for lost world and then he did And our for this movie. I like his movies. Ai artificial intelligence directed by steven spielberg. Which was was originally stanley kubrick movie. But he had passed away before he actually got the start filming so spill because him and spielberg were close and spielberg went. I'm going to finish this movie for my kubrick right it. While he was had everything in place to be able to go and make the movie. I'll show i don't know if you wrote it. I think he did. I think spielberg finished it but spielberg finish the movie forum and You know you like it. It's good. I like it it's I would have been would have been great to cease cooper what he would've done with it if he was alive. I mean i think spielberg tried to make it. You know how kubrick would've but that's hard. Yeah it's hard to do in use but he's had a style zone. Yeah noah's stan winston. He won an emmy for gargoyles for the for the doing the makeup for gargoyles and no idea but like i said he's not a he's not a director At yeah wow. I think he just had this passion project and probably just put together himself and he knew the at the The creature effects. We're going to be good. Wow kazan task you know but yeah even the transformation like you know what i mean like when pumpkin had i in know appears and he transforms has this kind of like a fetus. Look at any point at one point he looks like the trick or treater from trick or treat. Yeah yeah he was. It was a pumpkin zam. Sammy look like sam i. I'm like that looks like sam. The does i'm sure they stole it from pumpkin head. But oh i bet you. They wouldn't. They're gonna say fast homage. Yeah all mine. Yeah yeah now. I just i love. Just it's it's just such a fun movie now would you consider it a slasher kick okay. It's a it's a monster movie. it's more of a. I would class johnson movie. That's what it is you know like people are giving you kicked off one by one. You know what i mean. It's so it has that feel it. There's definitely not a At the script is Very predictable you know. It's going to happen And like i said it didn't it. Didn't it didn't take you out of the movie. Didn't bother identity. And that's because there's a there's certain aspects of like i said the certain aspects of this movie. I really love into certain aspects. As movie i eight that work and you know part of it at some of the acting parts and then those stupid sound of music on. Yeah yeah. yeah oh my god going. I scared you tonight. Just like the second there per se. I gotcha on your interface. Going is you. Didn't i if i gonna put music. That's gonna scare you. it's gonna get you know. Yeah but i you know. I think we've gone over this before. But the nineteen eighty s in. The eighties was the heyday of horror films. there's some there's a charm to him and you know like i said probably horror fans that are a bit younger and are used to these really gory over the top. You know constantly moving horror films and then they watch a movie like this and go. I can't watch too slow. Because i i hear that all the time it's like i can't watch the wolfman dracula because it's slow and it's boring and it's not scary and blood to black and white that say that this man. How do you to that you have to. If you're a horror fan should be at least give it a chance. And i understand if you don't like it but you have to appreciate certain aspects of the film like i said the the actual creature itself. I mean it's worth seeing whether or not he liked the movie. It's worth seeing the creature because it's so great wilda in the which i love the way. She's fantastic. I yet without those seed aren't you don't have a movie but I agree and i like the fact that he you know. He finally finds the cabin. And he's like. I guess this is it in orange light in the window going across from the window and I guess it's kind of like the by you and it's like the swampland doesn't feel like it feels like it's somewhere in georgia. Some kind of swampy. You know area. Yeah and that alone gives you a kind of a creepy feeling. It really does. Yeah i mean he just goes into. The cabin doesn't knock on the door. He doesn't internet himself really. She really knows what's going on. And i love that you know. There's no what are you doing here. What you know. None of that. She's right she knows why because she doesn't get any visitors unless somebody's got something you know. They got a grievance with somebody and they want to bring pumpkin header live. that's right. She's sitting in front of fire. Just kind of zoned out and do during the day you know besides watch the flames. Dan pretty much i know. Yeah no i agree Yeah it's such a fun film it. It's just not a complex a complex story but an interesting story and like you said it's it's been done but you know this is really well done. You know what i mean. It's many have done the similar story. But if you don't do it well you know it's like You know this wasn't. This type of story wasn't done a lot in who was very few at the time. You're right that's right for the time. Yeah i'm just thinking you know recently like i said you know. A lot of films have been copied from the eighties. Because you know that's right. And that's what i like about. The the eighties is that they were trying everything. Because they're like well horror fans will horror movies. Were very popular. It was kind of like metal at the time right. Everyone was trying to hairband. They're trying to come up with different. You know metal bands to keep things going it was. It was the same thing with the horror films are like. Oh it's anything that's any kind of original story or anything let's do it. Let's put it out there. You know and then once in awhile i get a classic here and there and you know trying something different like the lost boys. Perfect example of you know being taking Something that's been done. I mean it's been played out and really come at a different angle and refreshing the whole thing about vampires. They're like oh god vampire movie. How could that be. That's why i like near dark to then near dark of course and you know i mean. It's just phenomenal just brutal movie. What i'm saying is this like if you say oh vampire movie. Everybody goes god. I mean you say that in like a hukou be vampires been played out kind of like zombies now zombies by now cheese. Give a restaurant but then once in a while you get like a twenty eight days you know. I know scouts guys zombie apocalypse right. Yeah we gotta do that. Maybe coming up here in the near future lutely Like i said they were trying to do something different. And even even brought back to. We're wolf gendre john. You know into to classics the howling anti-american were off in london. Yeah in the eighties air. Like when you heard about that is like oh where wolf movie. How could that be and yeah they blow you away. Yeah so here you are and like i said you. Don't take it as a frankenstein movie but it is. Pumpkin head is really a frankenstein movie. Many many similarities. Yeah you're right it's frankenstein in just told from a different perspective. Yeah you're absolutely right and it worked creature. This world's fun you know. I like i used to watch this movie a lot during halloween. 'cause it really puts into moving and of course you know title like pumpkin head. You're like oh yeah. That's true for halloween. Yeah and it's just so you remember. Did you remember a lot of it or wants. It started going. I did but there's a lot of stuff that i forgot and then ahead forgotten. How good the. Which was i was like. I like dino. Yeah i just want. I'd like to have seen in a while. I haven't seen it in a long time. Like i said i saw it in the theater and i remember liking it in the theater and i think i owned a vhs owned a copy like longtime ago and then. I didn't have my collection for awhile. I just recently acquired it. It was on sale almost like pumpkin hit. But i didn't watch it and then watch it right away until you know. I did my homework right. That's right and You know and and this is another reason why i love doing this podcast as that now. Revisiting movie horror films. That probably wouldn't watch again or wouldn't watch you know for awhile ordinarily and just like watching newer style with or now. It's forced me to watch these movies. They haven't haven't either seen or watching a long time. And i'm like god. I'm glad i'm doing this too. I'm hoping that our audience is doing the same thing. And that's why they keep listening to us as a they're revisiting these classic horror films and go. Oh yeah. I missed those movies. And i have this new found appreciation appreciation for. Yeah i agree. I agree and so i mean that alone is worth doing this podcast. Even if even if nobody was listening. I would still asteroid this because that fact i mean films. I never ordinarily wouldn't have watched absolute without without question. I'd be looking at the the recent stuff in. Oh yeah we. I forgot how good that movie him you know. Of course you know night. A living dad had no idea that you liked this movie so much. And you know that type of stuff and seeing the omen again exorcist and god it was just like it right and phantasm phantasm. I mean i love that. That's great spuria. Yeah i mean it's just like watch spirit really You know got me going again with Italian horror talion a long time black sunday black apply what discovered black sunday because that was like. Oh here's another. Here's a classic. I love this movie. And i wouldn't have watched it. Yeah i wouldn't have. I mean there's been many that i see this. I first time viewing here. You know i know. And it's like i said it's education. It's kind of like going You know this is like a horror one and yeah you know movies. The movies that were discussing it. And i'm not talking about the recent ones I'm talking about the older ones that were doing. Those should be in your collection. Those should be moving. I agree you should have if you're a true horror fashion whether you like him or not. There should be a reason. There's a reason why you have them in. Your collection is because they're part of history and i like i like film history and i like You know the horror genre that much. And like i said even if it's you know it's not the perfect horror film and it's not something that you wanna watch constantly It's good to watch it here and there and go remember that. There's i liked this aspect. And i like that aspect. Oh yeah so. There's just some that you just need like black christmas. Oh my god christmas. You know as halloween and it's funny Like i said i had you know. I saw a black expo. Before i saw a black christmas was like yeah whatever and then i see that i would probably would've never went back and saw that unless it was something whereas like. Oh check this out right. You'd never seen never seen the original. And i had seen black. Experts had more of a background on the killer because they story today and that movie. So i'm like how good movie being like. Oh whether go phenomenon all my god. I love that movie and were coming up to our in april. We've got an anniversary coming up with bursary doing this. Yeah we got to figure out what we're gonna we haven't played a whole bunch of stuff that we're just gonna kinda surprise people with but my point is. Is that doing this for a year. And i how. I believe it's been ear. I can't believe it either. I really can't. it's loan by. I remember when you texted me. Like i get this idea. Cova just hit. And i'm like yeah but i'm not an expert on an expert. Took a lie. I was i was telling him and i mean don had you know. It was a valid point. But he didn't. He didn't understand where i was coming from until we started doing it. Anyway i know it i got it now i get it i get it. Yeah and it works. I i enjoy this. And i do too. I hope our listeners. Do and i really appreciate everybody listening. And it's your support. It's like it's like therapy for me. I mean i get that we get to talk about horror films You know. I've known dan for. I don't know decades mid-eighties i think it's good to catch up with an old friend and same here horror film so it's We said this was kind of like therapies. Like don't land. We have these rough week. And all the shit's going on. But we have this hour. We were laughing. We're doing all this shit you know it's like talking about saying well there's two there's tablets for that you know they don't taste very good. I know i know well. That's what happens when you know you get to be older and we sit here. We bloom older each other's asked but we still have differences. I'm movies in. it's fun you know. We're not like yelling at each other and go hate you you movie now and i was really worried about our last one because i know you love poltergeist and i was like i was just shocked and But i understood i. It's it's not like i'm going down. He's talking about donna's norfolk mets. What a joke. What's fucking wrong terrible. But it's okay. It's okay yes yes right. That's right that's why it really works. I feel so one and one of the reasons. But we'll get into all that in april but we hope you enjoy what we're doing and you come back because like i said we're gonna have some surprises in april. Yeah yeah I don't wanna give anything away. My name do anything. But but we're gonna try to do some stuff. And when i try to keep people undertows but You know we're going to be thanking you guys for the next month or two months i should say yeah for listening and continue listening and we hope you'll tell your friends if you enjoy this and Yeah like i said you can always contact us through horror. Vein dot com. Leave us a message. If you have any like movies wants to you know maybe go over that we him thought of or something like that and more comments anything. You'd like her rabbits out of his hat. And i'm like what fucking movies. This i never heard of the second thing i've been with. I've been watching horror films way longer to. He's like oh we should watch us. What the fuck is this. Yeah we had. We had a devil of time chooses. This movie didn't we thrown out. What tough book is what is that research. I had never heard of this movie. Which i can't even find the goddamn hold you seen this. I can't even. I know i was flabbergasted. How i'm like you're like what about this movie. I want do that one. What about this one. this is i. i don't know i'm trying to find i'm on. I'm on amazon. I'm on i'm on. I know and i'm like this movies nowhere. Was this like well. i have to say. Some of them I found on netflix. And i know you don't have that flights but this was this a while ago like creep and creep to or assist amazing. I hope we get to do those. I really serious all that crap with this is what this is. And you've surprised me and you know when you when you Suggested hush and i was like holy fuck is a good movie once in a while. You'll you'll pick these movies. God damn you know like introduced me to christopher landon. So i guessed it so i mean i like you know. That's that's all worth it. So like but i just have one that you don't like i but i'm willing to take a chance like you said you're you're batting. Average is pretty good. It's not bad it's not bad in doing pretty good too. You know you've been doing great. But i think i creep is just this unique. It's a different style. It's i don't even know how to. I mean i don't wanna give every bit. I've seen the trailer and everything. I know what you're talking about you. Have you have an idea of what i'm not talking about. Some titles that you're fucking here. Kirsty is really good really. We're titles at your coming up on like but it was just like one. It was like you're coming up with twenty five now. I got the underground buck and book of movies. That i didn't even a horror movie said. I'm not a horror fan. I just said i'm not an expert. But jesus you well the strangers what that is of course but when the titles. You're saying i'm like. Yeah that's true. I was throwing some purple. I couldn't believe me we're going back and forth texting. I'm like what the fuck i'm like. Let me give you a list of what i have available to me. That's how we did this friend. I picked pumpkin well. He's definitely going to pick this talent. He didn't say anything. You weren't gonna pay me. Like i'm a man in a negative i keep sending more and then all of a sudden a pumpkin head after our texting. I'm like we don't go through this. Every fucking no we will. I think i think we decided for next week. Yeah we're going do Your next it's called year next. Yeah so if he had movie see it before next friday. Because that's what we're gonna do and the week after. That is saint patrick's shane patrick's day kind as a hamas to be our special saint patrick's day edition of horror. Yeah so everything's green and we'll talk about you know chicago and stuff like that go but we're into got the next two films already. Yeah so now you can have two weeks to see these two films and that way. Yeah have any spoilers and it'd be able to enjoy listening to us going. Oh my god. He just gave that away. Oh my god. I gave that away with the i. Don't yeah we don't wanna do that. Yeah so like. I said we love you. All things listened. 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WRONG TURN (2003)

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WRONG TURN (2003)

"Listening to the fear Film Studios PODCAST network. Ladies and Gentlemen Welcome. To your favorite podcasts at the whole goddamn world. That's right. Yes I like that. City your host and I am Don Fisher Oh man. Yes. So this week we're talking about how the two thousand and three I think. That's right. Panetta two, thousand and three wrong turn with Elijah Ish who Yes. Yes. One get into that. Later we'll get into that later. Yes. Not that way you know so we got. One. Can Dream. Anyway. We'll get into that. So we got a couple of announcements. Okay. we'll go into the first announcement, which is. Coming up in our future podcasts. What is called the horror pain? How the we. And we broadcasting well, I'll be broadcasting from different haunted locations in Florida. And we'll also be reviewing some of our favorite horror films of watch during Halloween. Yes be interesting. Yeah. We'll like that it'd be oriented reveals some of those titles now our will we're gonNA. You know we're GONNA worrisome We'll let people know keep the suspense coca sultans gone at like it but I think I think what we'll do is We'll. Yeah, we'll let people know. So the next week they can prepare. And, they can watch movies. So then when we're talking about when we talk about it, we don't spoil anything. Yes. There you go. Yes, which by the way. Dragged me the hell are our last movie that we reviewed did. frigging awesome I mean a lot of people listening nice. We're almost like in top five on Iheartradio, which is incredible. Thank you listeners. Yes. Thank you, listeners. So that was awesome. I was like, wow, look at our numbers. That's awesome. Very, very cool. So and also. Dons getting announcement. Yeah. So I I'M NOT AVAILABLE Okay. I'm not. I'm not available next week so we will not be recording next week so we will be seeing you in two weeks from today. So two weeks. Yeah. On that new episode in two weeks, we'll start our halloween. Halloween horror man I can't even talk today and our horror vein weans celebration and to add to that. Oh. Yes, it's not. It's not It's not -St you're all written in stone it's not confirmed yet but we may have a guest with US smoker. Yes in two. And I might as well just it's GonNa be the. The infamous Carl that I've always talked about I'll. Yeah. We're going to see if we can have him join us because we're doing one of his favorite films. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not gonNA give that away but I thought that data. Perfect. Do you know if he listens to US or Is he not. Getting into. I. I gave him the link I. Think I got gotTA check with them. I think I'm sure he has, but he's also listening to go I'm going on that show. But I told him about it and he's anxious he. Loved it you guys I said? Okay. We'll. Be The perfect movie to do that with because this is like one of his top three. So I think there's a bit perfect movie for him to join us and talk so. So I'M GONNA get a check with him and see his availabilities to you know set in stone yet like I said but that's what we're leaning towards. That's what we're we're looking at. So hopefully, we can make all this you know. Make It all happen. going. down. Lake of the ozarks. It's in Missouri Missouri. Yeah. So it's about a seven hour drive. Can I know? Rebecca. Okay. So you know we were going to go to Pennsylvania. And I know a lot of our listeners like all right we don't but. What's important to know? Listeners in Pennsylvania, you should go there. Why and we wanted to go and we were GONNA go to Evan City and we were going to go to the cemetery where they've got night of the living dead. But when I called. I know on. I was really in the living dead museum that the local you know this couple opened at It's a local own shot. It's not a huge museum is just a little front thing but but we're going to do that too and then when I called I wanted to check to see because we you know everything is every state is different. What's open? What isn't and when I called over there you know the congress hall is and there's a lot of things that is an open. And so you know I just it's not worth it. It's not worth flying. So. Change of? Plans and. Other credit for flight YEP YEP and so we're GONNA just. Diana have been there and we're just GONNA. Go down there and explore and just Kinda just wing it and just have a ball. You think they're gonNA happen the family trumpster, take a drive down there or going to dry ice we are. Yes Won't. Be. It'll. Be Nevis rental car. That's right Housi- Rou- oh my God you ain't kidding man it's a seven hour boring dry but that's alright. That's alright. Fun It is you know your travel companion? Is You know? I'll never forget what her and I went to Branson, and that's like a nine hour drive and it felt like to see ten minutes the. State of Illinois. Oh Man and Gladys state in although. Yes we go through Springfield and Jefferson. City. Yeah. So yes. Feeling my stop along the way and. You have to stop in Springfield. Yeah. So that's cool. So that's what that's why I won't be available next week. So I apologize to our listeners but we're GONNA have to take a week off and we'll be back. hopefully with Carl and doing A really cool movie so That's cool. Yeah. So that was my little announced. Yes So, our announcements for this week. Yes we did. We hit them. All I. Know I know excited to see I haven't been out yet, but the theaters opened around here on Friday. that. Looks Yeah and I in unhinged is is in the theaters to so. Yes and I'd like to try to see both if possible but this is a crucial weekend for the theaters. If ten doesn't do well. then. You say that's That's the one. That's the one that's in the water, the water, but everything although they do have. And I've seen it. They have the schedule they have the film schedule already locked all the way up you know for from now until. You Know Two thousand and twenty one. So okay I don't think they're planning on closing the theaters anytime soon unless something drastic happens I don't know. And the new mutants is out to yes. So. Yeah. That's that's a new movie, right? Yes yes. Okay. Okay. So there's Surely, putting in or the big ones. which is kind of weird because they're not releasing new line in the house. Now, they're not gonNA put it on Disney plus. For Thirty Bucks, I think it's like thirty five. Yeah I guess you would spend it any way if you went to the theaters saw like a date night and that's what Diana identity she's done in for that movie and she really wants to see it. So we'll probably see it Friday I. Think it comes out Friday so I heard really bad reviews on new mutants All you did his. Really. Is there anybody in that that I know or I don't know You know I think. It's a marvel movie or. It was made before. Disney took over Marvel So It's more of A. Kind of a horror film then Real Superhero movie and that's what they originally was trying to sell it as. Okay. But it isn't it based off the comic book it's well Yeah it's it's in the X. Men Universe and it's OK young new mutants. So that's all I really know about it but. was saying that it's kind of looks like horror film because it's gotTA lease. Weird stuff going on. So we've heard bad things heard really bad things but you know that could be coming from the count book fans that are very critical of these type of movies. So Oh Gotcha. Okay. Okay and then did you hear any reviews on tenant or how that one's doing? All I know is that everyone's wanting to see this movie? That's okay okay. Everybody talked to they're like, yeah, my tickets I'm going. All right. There you go. Yeah. I had some friends that saw unhinged and they really liked it. It looks good that looks does and they really liked it and then rotten tomatoes gave it like a forty eight percent or something, but I'm like so but I didn't say anything I didn't mention that I'm like what you guys think they they loved it. But it'd be interesting to see. You, know, Russell. Crowe. A psycho. So yeah, absolutely. All I think about is a beautiful mind and gladdy you know. I know he's done a lot of things but. What comes to mind when I hear Russell Crowe so. and then he was in, wasn't he in Les? Miz Yeah, he was right yes. Okay. So which I just seen that was good. That's right. Yeah. When it's like ninety percent singing. and. I didn't even realize that he's his pencil. Roy. Ing Do. I'm like, do they ever talk? Through and I we are. Lured Dude. But Yeah I. was I was like really gotta sing everything with the helmet. Backing. News. Yeah. Did you see Hamilton. Hamilton I did not know. Very very good. That's what I heard as well. Do you get Disney. Does Disney close? Yeah. I watch that. It's really good. Again it's a, it's a great check that out. But yeah. I know that's not well, I could be considered a little bit of horror because there's some violence in there. That's semi list yeah okay. So this week in the news. News for everybody yeah. which is very exciting. I man I. Hope they do this good There is new haunted mansion movie in development. I heard about that and I was really excited I was like, Oh yeah. Cool. Because I originally Guillermo del Toro was interested in remaking the film and then that whole. Thing kind of fell apart for whatever reason I don't know why I know. They had a script that he wrote. But. I guess. Now they have the writer from ghostbusters. Remake of Ghostbuster all not. 'cause I wasn't Ivan Reitman. Yeah. Yeah so But. the producer. Do it with Eddie Murphy yet. It did two thousand three haunted mansion with Eddie Murphy which I own. Has a couple moments, but the movie sucks terrible. Just yeah. Right. I was like, how could it be man? It's a haunted mansion. I'm looking I gotta get this. Dude. That's my favorite right. I'll. I said Oh mine too. I mean every time I have to write it like two or three times and then tower terrorists fun. I haven't been on that but. That's a lot of dropping you know. He wouldn't like. You wouldn't like that. No No. Okay. It is good. It's a good ride but haunted mansion be. Three times gotta do that. That's my ride man. I Love I just love it. It never gets old. I just. Love it. Yeah. So when's it supposed to be talking about next year? They haven't got any dates they're not even have a screenplay the. Patch okay. Starting to write it they have to producers the one cruiser did produce it. So we'll see. The one. That just that just released. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I don't know. It depends I don't it. All depends on who they get to direct this film so. We'll see. Yeah and which and I want to go with it or they wanna make it really dark or do they WANNA made? Off, with they did with pirates of the Caribbean in, do that with haunted mansion. You know I, read the Comic Book. They did a re release of the comic book for Haunted Mansion had really cool story attached to it and I was like, well, you know if the head this type direction, it might work. In the comic was I. enjoyed it. But. I don't know man I always thought that they should Do you remember when they released the kind of like A. Not a soundtrack, but it was kind of a story CD OR RECORD VINYL RECORD ALBUM. It told the story of the haunted mansion and Basically. These two people were lost and they go up to the haunted mansion and he got all the sound effects and I was like if they could make the movie Kinda like that. You know maybe base it on the old dark, House. You know kind of. Get that type of feel maybe it could work I don't know. But. I was really excited when Garibaldi was involved because I was like man he could turn this into something. I, how do I know him I? Know Him. Well he did. Hell boy. And okay. I mean. Shape a lot harder. Okay. I mean. So He's right. He's not he's he's GonNa be. Pan's labyrinth. Yeah you. Know. And then he did Crimson peak I don't know if you ever saw that now I haven't seen that's a really good movie is that. It. It's got these really cool horror elements to it, but it's not really horror film. It's if the okay. Okay and he's going to be involved in in writing the haunted mansion snow. He's not he was he was developing it and I think he went in a direction at Disney. DidN'T WANNA go. Okay. He left the product Jesus okay. I duNNo. Okay. And in other news. They just released the trailer for the haunting of bligh manner, which is going to be on net flicks on October. Ninth. And it's Actually I, guess the second season of. The. Haunting of Hill Ho House which was you know is still on Netflix's. Produced by Mike Flanagan. That's it. The Guy who did So he did I don't know if you saw the haunting of Hill House. Haven't you haven't. No. Oh Dude. Okay you have to watch it. Okay that the haunting of Hill House is what I. Thought haunted mansion should be it. Okay. Really. Really good. Oh, anybody in it that I know. Yeah. The guy that played was in et obviously he was a young kid but he was the lead in e can't think of his name Fan. Oh Wow. He's in it. Yes. Okay. I know what you're. Thomas Mike. Michael. Something something Thomas Yes. I gotcha okay. I can hear our listeners screaming his name. I know I know see Thomas or something I don't know see ti something like that, but it's not him. He's in a good film. Isn't he unlike the hitter the hitch? He's been in some while he was the hitch or the hitchhiker or something like that. Oh that's film he's been. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, he was really natee when he was a little kid. Yeah. Come on. Yeah joyrides really to I love Joy Reid. Ted Levine he's. He's A. Candy Cane. Anyway. So we all know who ted Levine is right. WHO's we all know Venus He's Buffalo Bill. Oh Yeah. Yeah put the Lotion Lotion in the basket. Stats. Ted. Levine I love. Fantastic Voice, he's the trucker voice enjoy rights. So He's done a lot I see him. Movies now. and. It's a guy. Yeah but but but he's all. His name but I know 'cause I yeah. Yeah. See only name. We know I know right I can't take the boy et I can't think of his name but I know Ted Levine. That's That's that's that's that's me. That's that's classic Don Right there for you. So the virus man's booking. Killing brain cells I think so. I think so too in that no break and we'll take a break. View. Wrong on turn on turn. All right. We'll be back. Fear Film Studios Podcast? Into? Work. 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Dude Mannie did the makeup effects for Jurassic Park. All the dinosaurs for Jurassic Park. The MAKEUP EFFECTS FOR THE FIRST COUPLE OF TERMINATORS And what did he do in wrong term he did. All the make all the makeup. All I could see that is really good. Oh, so I have a confession to make. Calumny when wrong turn came out. Two thousand three. I was in. to make my own horror film. Okay and it was called the woods alive and it was remember that same damn premise as this movie. Serious about going production and this movie came out. and. It got cancelled because of this movie. Are you serious I was kind of. This movie hit a bad taste in my mouth before even saw it. I was like. How you hit, you had to like the inbred mountain top Yep. Wow. I was like man it's you put it out in the world in. There it is. Wow Carl will tell you that that you know he had a ton of ideas that you know I mean obviously don't have the means the money but. Hollywood eventually you know. Put out a movie that he added that. He you know he feels like I had that idea before this ever you know what I'm saying so yeah. It happens a lot. I don't know it. Was it just Kinda took a window out of our sales because we were like. So adamant were like Oh man we get this movie it's original. I love the. Senate. Anything like that. And then this movie came out where like Fuck The only thing similar I can think of was the hills have eyes that's a little similar to it. Was the whole it was the whole woods and right? Of Texas chainsaw massacre and in breads. And Right. But I, still say the sickest. Version of that premise was that piles episode called home on Oh if you ever seen that I, have not. If I explained it to you. You're like held the even put that on television. I. Never I was never an X. files. Fan so I never. I heard it was actually that episode was banned from. TV. Really Yeah and you could only get it with. You know the DVD set that had all the episodes. and. Man That episode is intense dude. And it's similar to turn. Yeah. Because it's an inbred family. They have their mother. She's in a box she has no arms and no legs. Like God is in a box and the there's three sons and they take turns having sex with her. So. The beginning of the episode is one of the. Sons is taking the fetus. And bearing out in the backyard. This is an x files. Episode? Yes. This is how sick movies. Or the episode is. And they they get a call out and they find these fetuses in this yard. And they discover this family that's got these boys in there. At the scene where they find the mother. Oh, my God, it is so oster being. Hot issues under the bed she went come out and she's just this dome. Just wow. Anyway. How long ago? That was a while ago, right? Yeah. Yeah. That eighties nineties. It was. Yeah I WANNA say like late late eighties early nineties. Wow. Okay. But The episode never aired, but I had seen the episode and I was like well, now I understand why? I'll never did air on TV. Yeah. It was too. Meanwhile. Okay. It's done very well, but good God. Anyway So tricked of the movie I'm. Normally do. But. Somehow we steer our way back so you know so Yeah alleged use coup. Thank God. She's in this movie I now she. Liked. The movie. I it's. It's good. But it's not like great. You know it's got it. I know it has like really good moments and then there's other moments where you're kind of like I don't know. But of course, Elisa dues coup and Emmanuel can't pronounce her last name the two girls could Lord. which not the WANNA gets killed right away or the second girl the second girl you know the one that jumps that she's going to get married to the. To the tree and then the acts comes. That's a great. Oh, my God, what a deaths all. Right one it was like. That was amazing and then her body falls in her. Oh. Wow. That's great. I remember that got some good effects because Stan. Winston's doing the effects. So it's really cool. Yeah. But I love when they're in the house so that you know they, you know they come in and defend drops to the floor. I mean it's just you know they try to get their way out of there and. It's I thought it was done really well. It does have its moments. The one thing that I just can't get over at the beginning. Know the boyfriend is there mountain climbing on the side in the very first scene? Yeah and in he gets to the top and then he gets killed and right throw his body of the side right and then She's undecided the mountain and they cut the rope and that's right. I don't know it's a weird cut I. Don't know if they had something there and they just couldn't make it work. But all of a sudden. She's falling, but then she just lands and she sees the body. You know I was I was going wait a minute. I thought it was higher. Because she take that fall anyway I mean. And then she still alive yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know what you're talking about I thought that would have been at for her to it was Kinda weird it was like a weird cut in the extended it and then she gets killed but I guess I don't know maybe. It was just wide I. Remember. Cut I'm like, what was that? That's kind of weird. Yeah so it was great seeing. No, it's really good. Really good. Yeah. Yeah. The what's the? What's the one character that's screaming all over the place I think is called Sawtooth or something like that. The one, the one inbred. That's like he's like running all over the place and screaming and Shit like that Oh. Okay. Okay. I think his name Sawtooth there's really cool man. Oh Yeah. And I I love the you know he's trying to find you know an alternate road and you know you're the one it's go to need to take care. That's fantastic. Oh my God. That's great. Yeah and I it had been so long since I seen it. That I'm like, no, I know he ends up with the other group. With the. With Kunar friends how the hell I couldn't remember how they met up. 'cause I'm like he's by himself and his Mustang you know he crashes. And then I'm like, that's right now I remember. I remember watching a movie and going. Up that Nice next. I know. Yeah I meet. Know like a sixty five I think. But I liked that that was Kinda cool. Way To get the character involved with what was happening and they were already in the thick of it with their tires already with Bob Warrior and Shit like that was great. And you know normally I don't like the lead male. Yeah. I should say this but a lot of the times I don't like the. The male lead character you know he's just you know he's just Very. Predictable I've seen this but I liked him because. He didn't know these people, but he was willing to take risks said he was willing to risk for them. And you know distract me. You know I'm GonNa take care of this. You know basically just. Take charge and try to protect them and help them in their. These are like total strangers. He didn't know these people. Right. Which I thought that was a great seeing. What are you doing? Come on come on? What do you do? Get narrows in his back I. Mean that was that was great. That was great. Now that was I guess the production was plagued with a Lotta Shit. Okay a lot of the cast members got poison ivy. Allow I could see dues coup in an interview. She said that she had poisoned heavy up and down her legs oil you know tour band. Directors like Oh. Yeah. Roll around in this in these weeds over here and it was poisoning. Own My God. And you know when the lead character gets shot in the leg. Yeah. They had a scene. I. Guess he was jumping over a log and he twisted his ankle. And it was the other leg. So. He. Had the HOBBLE. To make it look like you know the one leg was shot. So he had to stay off the bat leg, but he was hurting. On the other, the other way because it was actually Dan. All my God. Wow. I never would have known it. Never would've known. He was great I like this why they they they which is really cool scene. They develop that You know elected big scene weather in the trees and stuff like that. which I thought was cool. Dad Scenes fantast I. Did I really liked the when they go up to the the tower in the guard tower in the woods thought that was cool you. Really would have been pissed if I didn't see them, try to let you know light it on fire 'cause here they are walking around with these. you. Know. It's good. But I, it's Kinda. Funny. 'cause they're like standard like. Smell. It's like you didn't know that was coming on the walking around with torches. GonNa Torch this thing come on. So and then I'm like, what are they going to do and that was perfect jumped on the yeah I mean it was Everything to me was believable. Didn't lose me anywhere like Oh come on that's not going to happen. They're not GonNa do that and that's not gonNa work I never felt that way which is Huge for me that's a big deal for me. I mean especially in you know suspense thrillers. I mean you know call horror film to but yeah. No, it was more of a suspense thriller. And Yeah I mean it hit me like that. Opening the mountain climbing the mountain climbers I seen it in an Pretty much got right into it. I mean it didn't really take much time. who was a really established the isolation and yeah. They're stuck out in an environment that are not really familiar with, and then he had this group of you know killers. Right obviously, they're good at it because they all the cars at cars and the keys. Yeah that was great and I they show you. They give you that sense of isolation because they do like a big overhead shot and that's what really got when they're in our and they're looking because they're like, oh, you probably see something from there and all these force in your life, right? They don't say. Okay. We're from. The radio was great and then it gives them away I. thought that was great and then the police officer comes, and of course he gets. All right. They I I like the. Point of view shots and kind of puts the audience in their shoes. Like the scene where he's underneath the bed and Caesar, you know their friend or Great. Britain then he's underneath the car when the police officer shot and it keeps focusing on his gun because he wants to get gun and you can't get glad that he didn't get because it just keeps the semblance easy. Yeah. I mean I I like the fact that he was able to in the keys were not in the car. The funniest thing isn't that funny But when they go, he goes I'M GONNA. Make. A distraction so you guys can take off and he goes running, and of course, he gets the lake. Dude their marksman. They'd been hunting for who knows right right and I was like, okay, that's good. I like that and they'll absolutely and then the other guy off and they miss him but eventually get them but it's like how that was all setup was. I'll. I'll distract the programming shutting illegally. and. You know you lose a lot of the group. You knew that you know that's that's typical and I was expecting that not yeah. Otherwise, it wouldn't be much of a movie but you know and then. Yeah watching a movie now. I I've seen so many movies just like this. I was like Oh. Yeah. This was made two thousand and three and there wasn't. A lot of films that were like this. Now, there's fifteen million films just like it because obviously. They made. Believe it or not seven sequels to this movie. I thought it was five. No. They're seven now. Are. You serious. I think I've seen the second one and I. Just announced, it's supposed to come out this year. It's called wrong turn the foundation. All this has got to be the seventh installment of. The six was. Was the last resort was last resort which came out to fourteen two, thousand fourteen. Reminds me of the saw films. Like eight so Did you see them all I saw the saw films. Yeah you did. Okay. I did like that franchise when it first came out but then after a while it's Kinda like I'm done with that genre. Did you like, did you like them all or no? I did at the time when it came out I liked it I thought it was interesting to the stories were actually pretty good. And I was like always looking forward to the next saw movie because I'm like, okay because it kept. Expanding the story. Kind of far fetched after a while when chicks was supposedly dead but right? I don't know. I was like. Kinda grasping for straws like when the ended the ended it at the right time but then they. Brought it back obviously again with the final. One which is terrible and then Jigsaw didn't bother with that just got got off. Was the last one. But now they're doing another one. Are they really. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like Damn Liza's let's. Leave the in John Right Long. Played Out Dude it's like. If they called it torture Porn I. Guess Whatever Like hostile which I'm not a big I mean I saw the first one. That's too much for I. Just I'm not. I'm not into those type of movies I'm not either it's not enjoyable. It's just not just I mean it's GonNa. Get you get the you get the idea and it kind kinda like plays out. It's like, okay. What else can they do? People. Torture them. and. That's what happened with the saw movies. It's kind of like. How many. How many things can come up with with Acadia? saw. Traps or whatever yeah. I know I like to. was really blown away when I saw came out when I saw that was amazing. Yeah like, wow. Jeez that's original. Cool. Awesome. Yeah. Cut His foot. I mean I mean like, Oh, my God. Would often. Yeah. That was good. It was like, okay somebody. Actually trying to expand the medium. And I was like, okay, cool. This is insane. Anything like no nothing nothing even close so great. But Okay. We got off a Ron Turner. We. Took a wrong turn. But the blinker back on. Okay. GotTa get back on the highway so They did so wrong. Of them onto, it was wrong turn wrong turn to dead end. Wrong. The one I've seen I saw two. Three left for dead. And then they did two prequels, which was wrong. Turn Four Bloody Beginnings Ow Warren turn five bloodlines. and. They did one turn wrong turn six last resort which was Kinda I guess. I don't know what it was. I don't have any information. That the yeah. So they're so wrong turn two foundation, which is supposed to come out this year. I guess they're trying to reboot the franchise with it. Golf courses straight to video straight to video. Okay. I could be wrong but yeah, I think it's great. All all the other ones were straight to video mostly really there's that many who shit I knew there was a lot. I did know that but I didn't know there was that. MADE THE SEQUEL I was like. Book. How many Damn Well looking up at the end of the first one, they set it up for a sequel. But he's going to be another one talk about Milkin a franchise holy yeah I know. There was like, okay. This is our lifeline. We gotTA keep making them come up with all. It's like Friday the thirteenth Jeez. I don't know. But the. Video so I guess they made money. They probably Mianwali. Cheap. What Friday thirteenth or the wrong turn the wrong turns. Out The first one was in the theater. Yes. Then, you're saying all the others right video. Yes. Wow. Okay run turn to come out to two, thousand and seven. Allow. Okay. So it was like every. Two years. With a wrong turn movie and then they stop the two, thousand, fourteen and then. Now. They have the one coming up. Now I got another one in the works. Holy Cow. Yeah which. She didn't come back for the second one I don't think so I don't think. She she didn't come back now I. I don't think she did. She didn't really. Well, she hit a TV show. So I don't know maybe that was or she was like I ain't doing anymore. All you're thinking she didn't do much after this movie like. She did movies here and there But yeah had that TV show and I think after that TV show kind of bombed I don't think she really did too much weight. It was her own like it was her own show or. No it was I forget the name of the show but she she did TV show for a little while. And then she did she did movies here there of course she did One with Kevin Smith silent Bob the first one she's in that one. Okay. Jay and silent Bob. Because the Hollywood or something like that. Okay that's a guy movie. A. Yes, she's sexy movie to Oh my God anyway Actually met her at a mega con- All you did. She is. Yeah. She's really nice. She's great. She was fans at my My friend was just obsessed with her and he was he was trying to get. Is trying to get an autograph anyway just. Couldn't even talk. Wow and I was like you know you know here's my friend who's like a huge fan in really he's kind of geeking out. You can't really say she's like Oh that's cool. That's fine. We need take a picture and she was. She was. Fantastic. That's awesome. Yeah. She wasn't one of those Those celebrities that have like a chip on their shoulder, right? And GALORE NO, they're out there. I know. Just. Kind of look at you like you look like an idiot. and. Your bothering you're annoying me or something. But. So overall you really enjoyed it. I think it's just a nice fun. No suspense thriller I really do. Yeah. Like I said it has its moments You know it's not like my favorite film in the world, but it's good. I you know it's when it first came out it Kinda was like on the cutting edge. Now you've seen all this same crap fifteen million. Obviously they have seven sequels. They kinda believe everything out can't believe that. God. I remember like the second one but then that's where I stopped so. Yeah, you know it's I guess it's Kinda like, no. I'd rather take Texas chainsaw over these movies but know. It is what it is like I said you know if didn't have Stan Winston doing makeup effects I don't think it would have been as good McCoy effects are just fantastic. Yeah. They we should talk. Yeah. We should mention that a little bit talk about. The in brass God. You don't get to really. Get to see all the detail I mean. Now you don't you'd have to pause and seal the detail in these makeup affects just frigging great. I would say he hit his hand and maybe you know building that. House to. The cabin with all the. Jar and all I mean I'm sure he had candidate that. That house was amazing. The. There because when they I mean the effect where he takes the well I. Think it was her she takes the Axon and Chops the Sawtooth in the shoulder. Yes. He's laying there and his blood gushing out, and then they all start waking up. He's like only got one shot. Exactly sure gas cans and like okay. There you go. Great. Blows. Them exploring the House I loved that. I. Can take a leak. To the bathroom and you're like, ooh, it wouldn't be A. Bad. It's just but. Toilets ever been. You know clean right? Yeah and it's but it's perfect. It totally makes you know it coincides with them and their lifestyle and. You know how they would lindy I. Guess they. Can. have their own like grunting. Language. Exactly. Yeah. They're talking to each other yeah. Yeah Yeah, I love that I just. Like you know very primal. And it's believable because the guy so proficient with a bone Arrow like, oh yeah because he's been doing this you know when you see all the keys now the. You know yeah. This is not their first Rodeo. I just I mean Oh man and I just like how they're like. What the Hell is going on in on I mean you know somebody laid these spikes? This wire in the road. But it's like you never in your wildest dreams whichever expect this you know and they're just figuring this. Until. They see their friend fall on the ground and like Oh my God what the hell. They still really don't know what they're up against. Until they get into the house. And then they kick it out with that's great. They're bringing the wait till they sleep. Oh okay. Tend to leave and then they see the carpooling up and it's the tow truck and this got their car. I know. How Out The back and then okay what's hide? Yeah and then and then get away till they fall asleep I loved actually. I remember I just liked it. It's a fun straight ahead. Suspense Thriller Really Is it's a lot of fun. It's great. You know not a complex story. Really done. Well, yeah, you know. I don't know. And it's just it's not like a you know some people would call it a slash I wouldn't call it. Would you call it a slasher film I don't think. No no, it's more I. Don't know it's kind of a cannibal. Kind of action horror. Thriller Yeah definitely a thriller Yeah. There's nothing like scaring the film other the fact that it could possibly happen. Yeah where you could be out in the woods and who knows what you you could run into an it's not just the animals. It's the human beings to athritis though. In other movies you know like deliverance and stuff like that kind of deal. With that subject but absolutely this is. This was really I think the start of that. Kind of let's do a horror film with cannibalism. Kinda make it mainstream so they add. All the good-looking cast. You know. You know people to kind of identify with the fact that these inbred are so fricking. Really Pretty people and you're like, ooh, now they're really really ugly. Yeah so and You, know. They got the Split Lips and Oh Jeez. Oh Three teeth and two fingers and yeah. Jacked up in all like their skulls or jacked up and they got here I mean it's It's really good. The makeup effects for amazing and like you said that really added to the movie it related and I liked the didn't try to make it a Texas chainsaw massacre where they were chainsaws and shit like that. He had axes and bone arrows and I was like, okay, that's cool. Yeah let's primitive. You know what I mean. Let's Kinda do our own take on it and You know they were very adaptable. They knew the woods so they could. Watch you and you could tell that they were there. Are Exactly. So it was like, okay, that's cool. That's good. 'cause they. Killed Hunters obviously yeah. If they would've just had like guns and shotguns at that would've taken away from it. I think I, really do it's like, okay well I mean in one in the one guy which is saw to kind of like you know their dog. eakin yeah he could sniff you. He's always sniff. Yeah. You know running around like a crazy Daniel Jeez. And then the other guy with the bone marrow, he's seem more like the leader is a big guy. He's Big Guy Really. Big. Kendall. Leather face the group. Exactly is picking up bodies with one hand throw. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Toronto down on the table yeah It's just. And it's again it's one of those movies again Because they put you in that point of view of the characters you feel that frustration like adding want to kill these. Hilda's family you're like, oh What can they do? They have any weapons there bunch idiots they've never been in the woods. Right try all they have is the will to live? Yeah. They really the odds are stacked against them the you know to survive this and try to outsmart them right and then they get into a situation where they're kinda boxed in in the in the house and they're able to fight their way out. which is you know it moments. You're Kinda like You know probably should have been killed that point but you know that's the movies and. By but. It's still fun and it was. You know it is what it is in but it was cool. It was. Still done. Good. Yeah totally agree. Yeah. Does this. Get you. Would you? Would you watch the second one? No. So you're done. Okay. Okay. Okay. Like. I said I did see the sequel it's good but you know it's But then I didn't go past that. So yeah. So anyway I don't I don't think Stan Winston hit anything to do with I yeah. That'd be interesting. See if he did he I think he did because he. Key passed away two thousand, I'll really. Money we lose, him two thousand and eight. And said the next one was seven right? The next one was two, thousand, seven by Joel Lynch. So. How so he he died young. Well he was. Now. Was He I. Think he was in his. Forties probably in the fifties but yeah, he was young. Okay. Okay. And he did all the drastic parks. Yeah he well, he did address park did lost world with the they built the live practical dinosaurs. Okay and. The white shots were digital but The. You know t t REX's coming in the eiser doing all that stuff. They did all that I mean Stan Winston Studios. Is. Just amazing they did. Pumpkin head he did the whole I liked that moisture pumpkin in, which is probably going to be on our list for Halloween. Are you a fan of that fellow? I love their phone? Yeah it's good. It's good. It's gotTA. Do a second one or did they leave it alone? I think they did a second one I, don't. Think I. saw it. Okay. Yeah I, like the I. Really Good. Yeah fantastic. But yeah, they Stan Winston studios got their notoriety by doing terminator and. You know the. The original makeup in original terminator now looks doesn't look as good. You know the scene were he's He's he's in the mirror and he's taking his I. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. I. Remember when the movie came out in the eighties. and. Arnold Schwarzenegger was. Going to get get launch at the at the in the studio and. The makeup Salon frigging everybody out. But that's awesome. Kept it on because he loved it. He was. Just amazing. That first one's really I mean I like the second one to second one's good. I Love Them. All I have all those movies I are all fantastic. I didn't see the most recent one gum was. Dark. Fate was just amazing. They're all good. They're all fantastic. On how many is I know there's one and then two is Judgment Day, right? Yeah. Rises the machines risa machines. Great. And that's what the female one. Yes. Now on the good to it's. Really. Good. and. The fourth one is dark fate. No Dr. There's two more all my. Reisen machines and then there's dark. All my God and they're all the all work and they're all like kind of. Make it all the whole world of. Thurgood man and Arnold all of them Arnold and all of them. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean they're just Yeah I didn't I saw one and two I didn't see any of the others. Yeah I mean out. You can't. Be. Terminator Two 'cause teams Cameron but. Robert Patrick was just amazing. Yeah. But he was great the sequels Kinda farfetched as they get with the whole time travel thing. I don't know it's to me. They still work because I just a big fan of the franchise and I love the Terminator Movies Okay and You know they had the genesis in another one but the dark fate when they brought. Linda Hamilton back I was like all I heard that. Yeah. That network to it It was really cool I was like. Was Awesome. While you're like that like I am with the Predator movies I love Predator too. I love all those. To. Yeah. Some of the later ones are. A little obviously weaker than. You, know. I liked what they did with predators The latest Predator movie. I hated when I first saw it but then I watched it again and I was like, this is actually not that bad. Because, everyone was seen how bad it was. One with the big huge terminator. The latest one and okay. I was like Oh this movie sucks and then I watched it again I was like. She's back. 'cause I went into it going all this movie sucks going out really terrible. So I was like watching and going yeah, this is their terrible. Yeah. But then I watched it again and I liked it. You like Alien Versus Predator Yeah I mean it is was. It. Just Kinda. Fun. kind of fantasy. Right. Those are both my favorite franchises aliens out. Movies I have all the Predator movies. Have all the terminator movies I looked at SCI FI horror. I mean I have all the Friday, the thirteenth, but all my God. You know it gets ridiculous when. X. Oh. Yeah. That was I remember that one in space or whatever? Yeah it was like okay well. All right it's It's funny I. It's just have to take and then even a Freddie versus Jason Yeah. That was goofy too but. It's kind of like a is kind of like A. Cartoon type. Or the. Gore's was kind of blown out of proportion and found it I just remember them in that like I dunno whatever was building where they're all bouncing around like a ping pong I think they even had the ping pong like the the What am I thinking Not Ping Pong. pinball. Pinball, they had the pinball noises. Yes it was just. I. Mean You know we're not taking ourselves seriously. So you shouldn't either. And I was kind. kind of like a prolong monty python you know. Right, exactly. Right. Yeah Yeah And Yeah, you're supposed to. Come out. I know it was it was okay. It was it had its moments but I don't know how we got on phrase Jason and Freddy but. Big. POTTY rabbit big pointy teeth took her fucking head right off. Oh my God I know money by. Sodas Diana. And Flying Circus she's all that she's got all that. Fan I. I am too. Yeah When we first started dating we'd Watch. Monty Python. Just awesome. This I mean give you. Like the first year like David Monty Python. Father smelled available to Betty's. God. But she hadn't seen on it that when you sent pitcher your wife, I had made the jam from elderberry. Like thought money blip on. All. That's right. That's right. You you. Yeah you should have her. That's funny. No but I don't think she had seen. I don't think she had seen life of Brian or meaning life. I don't think she'd seen those now they're not as good as holy grail but how the fuck it we get on money. We all my guy. Took another rock. Okay. We can only do that one more time res and then it's not funny anymore. So it's probably not funny right now. Pursued we're GONNA take. A wrong turn on. Jess. Yeah. So. Man. Oh Yes I'm excited about our upcoming. Halloween. Yes podcast that's going to be really cool. So. That is our favorite holidays. So it is it is. So it'll be interesting to be broadcasting from different haunted locations serve. There Yeah Good Lord lelay. So broadcast, some will come in. You never know you just don't know. And then we're going to be doing talking about our films that we like to watch during that season during the Halloween season saw. So next week kitties be prepared and watch return living dead. While two weeks into always right two weeks. I'm sorry in two weeks. Maybe, we can get one I quickly. That'd be cool. All my God wouldn't that be something. Carl. googly. Yeah, we'll just have a big. A big return a living dead Renardi Yeah. PODCAST. Yeah. Absolutely see. So I'll I'll check with him and see if we can get him on and then. Go from there so Yeah that'll be cool. So in two weeks. We'll see we'll see you then I guess and absolutely no keep listening we appreciate you and. Course, you know go to horror vein, DOT COM get all the latest news on what's going on in horror. He can catch all our episodes are on there, of course, the. Is available on every podcasting APP that's out there. Yes I mean it's everywhere dude everywhere should be no reason why you're not listening to us. So that's right and drop us a line lies Jen make a comment. Yeah we'd love to hear from you tell us what your favorite Halloween horror movie is. Oh. Yeah. That'd be great. Yeah. Eighty will Maybe we'll talk about it might and we might even review who knows that. So we could absolutely do that. 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MonsterTalk Live - Douglas Tate

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If the creature known as the Loch Ness Monster Morgenstern Doll live and streaming via facebook all right so welcome to monster talk live. This is our third episode of. This is pretty exciting care for you. Can you hear me? I can now say introduce yourself. Hi Everyone I'm Karen Stones now and blacksmith and I don't really talk and doing this live. This is offered live In as many weeks. And we've been doing this because we had requests during the pandemic to do something a little bit different than something interactive. So people can come in and ask questions and chat with us and this is just being a nice thing to do during this time when we're all stuck at home and again You can follow our show with monster trucks dot org. If you're seeing this on facebook or youtube you can join a facebook group Just look for Monster Talk Word on facebook and you to join to watch this tyrod but Later this will be on Youtube for free of him out funded there and then You can fight us on Patriot. Patriot dot com forward slash monster. Talk All one word. Also the we're excited to have a guest tonight. You WanNa talk about that Karen I so we have a guest is names. Douglas Thais and we've been advertising huma on facebook on twitter. He is the actor who played bigfoot more times than any other actor in history and he's in our green room which is not green right. Now you'll you're in the Granary Room with black curtains so doug has been in In the film world he's known as the Monster Man And He's played a bright of creatures he was. GonNa Create Jim Creature man and he is also he he was in the. Nfl comes home movie. He was in the new elbow remake. And he's in the CW paranormal series legacy which deals with where we'll fan fires and all sorts of things and many many many other things. He has a huge listing. Imdb's let's bring in. Doug theoretically a thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me is excited. So My my poor computers taxed to the Max handling this seems to be doing okay. So this is great. You're keeping still saw at an. I'm I'm far away from the Mike down the game and if there's like Any lag or whatever. That's probably a ban with issue but If anybody's really concerned about the power of my computer we can always take donations. It must talk dot Com for a supports. Yeah we buy new computer more powerful but anyway thank you for joining Doug. This is really cool. You know good to have you here. Sir. I was just telling the the audience that you have The claim to fame of being appearing as bigfoot in Marolles than any other actor in history. Who's that truth all? God I don't I didn't even realize that but yeah a lot of sasquatch is appropriate most famous one. I play which is pretty cool. Which the most famous when Jack Links SASQUATCH with? Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah I mean if you look at the artwork of bigfoot that those commercials have influenced dramatically. How big was portrayed? I think absolutely big head or head. It's a it's funny that a jerky commercial can have such an impact on the cultural perception of a monster. But there it. Is You know the money when they first started the campaign. Paid Law a Stan Winston studios to do the makeup Ri- and it became like an Internet hit before went viral before there was really viral. Yeah off now. It's you know it's it's their brand. Sasquatch is a brain so very so we have good. We do a lot of. Yeah no I I in high school. I wanted to be an actor and I grew up in Los Angeles and I got a job at universal in Universal Studios. Hollywood playing Frankenstein. So I play Frankenstein. Fan on Wolfman a hairy from hearing the hinters is in the Bar. Suing acting man of that kind of started this thing as years went on doing stuff and make up so. I've done the makeup but my start was at universal studios performing cool. Wow so were you a fan of like Munster makeup monster magazines and misery thing when your kid? Oh Yeah I was. I was Fangoria Fan. I was a big monster fan as a halloween. I mean I love gladly mask I had a bunch of Don post mass. Awhile arm so I was definitely a monster fan. It was something that just came natural something that I love so. That's why I wanted to do that at universal that's why sought it out because of the fact that I was fan so I was perfect for Frankensteins of six five highs. So Harry so I went right in got the job. Stay there for like ten years as I was pursuing my my only job other than being an actor that I've ever had so cool all star for sure. Well I was going to carry the curtain. This is how this really goes down. That's why with a with podcasting and dotting because then we can it is. It's a lot easier but saw anyway obscene documentaries. Where have these masks and costumes and makeup disease take hours and hours now is to get into character for you will For the universal thing it was just like put on a mask in a costume and go out and perform for the stuff in movies. Absolutely I mean you know the SASQUATCH is like a three hour Mak- for Jack Lang's while and then when I gotta get contacts in and I gotta get. I wish I wish you could flash. A picture of of people could see but is needed fire team yet soon soon. Post-second probably do this year. So you what do you want me to show? And I'll try to get that post just showing a picture my makeup as SASQUATCH. I'll send me some pictures of the stuff I talk about. You'll have high quality images. Perfect can that. So that's like a three hour makeup the longest makeup I've ever been in was on Grant played the villain there. That's why that's not even Jack. Leanings that other sure how many times you've played bigfoot. I guess our screw. The Missing Links. Wasn't that my longest makeup was on. Graham which took about six and a half hours to get into so I was getting into makeup glued from like my ways all the way up on it was crazy. I mean Hutton. Uncomfortable to wear it was. It wasn't hot because it was freezing in Portland. Shot him or run. You ever see the series grim series. Graham I played on the final few episodes and I had to fight and stuff. What was happening is as I was turning. The glue was coming undone or ripping how that was that was miserable. But but yeah the the longest but yeah it takes long in the contacts. Another beast to deal with literally. Yeah they're so uncomfortable and if anything is in any scratches your I it's just it's horrible are the Lenses. I assume at this point. I know you're there soft. They're not like they were back in the day with. Lon Chaney it's their scales huge. Oh yeah the is. You're feeling down here. Yeah you can't put them in yourself. You have to have a person that does it for you right. Make me start to dry out to and if you don't catch it in time you can get stuck to your eye off is is. That's a mess play. Well you imagined naively a lot of people probably think wearing all that makeup. It's not that hard to act but I've I've lived at some of your training videos online about the work. You do to prepare yourself for the physical side of it. Oh Yeah how much does that physical performance come in like? When you're actually executing on these sleighs roles mean like you talk about what that's like like every characters difference so when I get a role I kind of like I kinda you know. Look what you talk with the people building it and see. See how difficult it's going to be. Sometimes there's heavy arms or something. I try them on. I realized Oh my Gosh I have to live like thirty forty pounds on that arm. I'm going to have to start training my shoulders more. Start looking at things like that. When it's a makeup it's good to get in the makeup and see like the movement get Outta. There is some good move different than others. You want to know what your what's reading and what's not because as an actor without me up you know you. It's in the is. It's in the thought you know on that. Conveys the what you're giving when you're in a makeup you you have to exaggerate your facial expressions for it's so different process so depending on what the character is? I like to train for that role some of the movement stuff that I do Baby that's what you're talking about Do more animal type movement or cows. As opposed year traditional you know isolated curls and things like that. I don't do that as much as more callous thanking Animal Type Ryan. Yeah those are the things that all more the characters I play. It Looks Pretty Physical Training. A yeah go ahead sorry. Did you ever watch anything? Like the Patterson given footage or anything like that to try and pick up some Luke's footage the parents I. That's the that's the that's the original super. This is what big was supposed to look like a big ask Sharon of being right with with her large pendulous breasts. So yeah it's weird yet. Come out that way. Mostly was the big fish male. I see yeah so yeah. Is that the earns walking across. Yes yes lot of the big. They haven't wanted the traditional walk. They wanted more of something different for some reason for traditional. You brought that up in the past. We don't want that. We want you to bring something different yet. Your yeah it leads is first of all. Let's focus you can clearly see. Bigfoot Larry Massoud they better keep it in folks exam. I assume you don't get to keep the suit because that's too bad so it's a couple hundred thousand dollars suit. Its HANDS ERRORS. Hand Weeding while made just for you. To who else would major so very expensive suit in May addicts to makeup artist so now that the company legacy effects used to be Stan Winston. They they Take care of the suits up. Sometimes it sent back or wherever I'm shooting on a plane bundled up so it's pretty a pretty nasty. Wow do you Do you get to like you get a discount on Jerky or anything Oregon. Whenever I work they'll just you know. Throw me at Thomas. So wow cool. Yeah A lot. I love the stor it's delicious. It adds liberal plug there. So we've been doing missionary for about ten years now and we. How many shows do you think we've actually talked about bigfoot lodge amount? It's a lot. So Yeah we've we've talked to some stats on that. At some point be good played. Nah I don't think so this time. I guess. My question is over the years we've dealt with a lot of claims of People who believe that same bigfoot sightings So we we tend to be on the more skeptical side of things into apply critic thinking to claims of a big sightings. But what about you have you? Where do you stand? Do you believe in bigfoot or have you ever had any experiences yourself will or any paranormal experiences. That you wanNA tell us about and we're not judgy. Believer definitely had had paranormal experiences. Especially the one that comes to mind is there's this hospital in La Linda Vista of you heard of it Been ABANDONED SINCE THE SEVENTIES. It was an insane asylum. It was used for filming from like the as a couple years ago. And then they decided to bill Housing but So there were several floors of that Hospital that was an insane asylum also known for a lot of low income people. That would come there and they didn't have any identification they were. They were not citizens so they didn't know who they were so they died in the hospital so from what everyone has told me there. There's been a lot of sightings of people wanting the family to know where they are but yet her stock their spirit is stock in this building. And when you go to certain floors like the fourth floor in particular you could look out Linda Vista Hospital. There's a lot of creepy images on there. I felt air. I felt wind coming in when all the windows were closed. I felt noises. I felt my Chills go up down. Audie stuff would happen with the camera in a certain spot and as soon as it went to the other spot was finding they bring it back to that. It would work. I mean a lot of things like that which made me think there's something going on here. We have a a question from listeners. Sophie Smith. She wants to know this she was off. This is the one that was used. Terminator two. And no that was Lakeview Medical Center. So I WANNA thank Sophie Smith for listening to the show Kissed that's my daughter. Weird through Google. I'm sure you could find out what movies were shot there. There was a ton of movies that were shot in Linda Vista Hospital. It's been it was the Paranormal shows a lot of shows get episodes on that goes to. Yeah Yeah yes took yes. The view of Linda is who's Linda. Why are people looking at her to know so topic for another time? Okay fine right go ahead got quite skeptics in the audience and someone's disc commented that they think this is the closest any of any Vesa GonNa get to ever actually token to be a true actually as big foot when you when you're preparing for the role. Do you think more I'm a nature spirit or more I'm an ultra from another dimension. How do you like release for more more? Based off the way I move and like the office of those things you know wanted to get into the character in the make up and I started doing the walk. All of a sudden me in this place of of a sasquatch. This is really cool. Because I've seen those commercials you do a lot of emoting. There's a lot of work in there. Yeah so it's. There's a lot of exaggerated face work if I didn't the make up. I look like the worst actor in the world. Push scaffolding right like all those details. Do you get to like. Do you get to work in a mirror. I like prepare for the shot. That's the best thing for me is because like I said every make-up's different the fortunate thing with the SASQUATCH is. I've done it so many times that I kind of know the makeup especially for newer things that I get into. You know that's the best way to know what's reading what's not because sometimes you think you're doing something and it's it's working but you look in the mirror or on the monitoring you go man. That's not reading. I thought that was reading. It's not so so weren't into mere with. Up Is Great. Now if I don't have makeup on the exact opposite working in Amir is the worst thing you could do. His like forcing emotions in our real. You know when it's supposed to be in the mind the thought is. Yeah the two separate ways of working. That's really cool to get a lot of thought directions or do you really get told to do your thing and as more hiring me to do my own thing. I personally like getting direction but a lot of times you know. The director has so much on his plate. That they're just there to do the show and the turnaround so quick. You can't worry about what I'm doing now if I like didn't hit a mar or needed to do something a little different than they'll give it but it's not usually based off my and movements or acting. It's more on direction for the scene. You know I'm going to expect you are being the character so they don't have to worry about that. You know six hours of makeup and then ten minutes have shooting and then being in my wedding night were much information. When you're doing these other monsters I mean so like big bigfoot. You kind of have a natural mean. Everybody has a at this point. We have a cultural conception. What bigfoot is. You've got your pets but like when you're doing these other monsters and you're still working with the script. But how do you decide on what the physical performance is? GonNa be for a demon or creature a lot of times a lot of times. I'll go based off the design in the Mak- and then also like you said what's in the script and then if I get a chance to talk to the director about what he wants but a lot of times like something will come to be based off the design if he's bent over than on no. He's kind of you know. I'll have to work on that type of thing you know if he's if this shoulders are back and he's really upright like ver- lock's character in the quest was you know that's the design was so. I felt like he was very powerful. Regal. So it's Kinda go based off the script and the design one of our listeners. WanNa know if you get special teeth for the bigfoot for the year than lowers. They pushed my mouth out so that when I don't have the looks like very pushed in so the teeth bring the mouth out need paint pro. Yeah they're no fun to wear either. You can't really drink with honor their fun. It's it's it's interesting like there's people who are like the unsung heroes of like the the directors get a lot of credit in the actress rightly so get a lot of credit but the makeup people man. They you you except for the studio heads. Like your Stan Winston Iranian backers. And there it's like you just don't hear about them that much but boy they sure adds to the performance Oh yeah man. Good makeup artist you know is GonNa Trans. They're the ones transforming you Yemi. You're playing the character but if you didn't have them to do the Beta I mean it would be like the amateur amateur hour so yeah they're the are the unsung heroes and. I know so many talented makeup artists out there. That are just amazing. You do you do any special vocal worker. They W for the bigfoot stuff all the big stuff uses my voice and my growls and stuff. There's no school are a years ago. they they would like. Add like a filter on my growl. Now they're just using using my own nice corrales and like you could predict your voice very well so I think it's much more when I've seen commercials that have added it. It's not as Authentic in off because a lot of the stuff of doing is like in the moment off the cuff. I'm not planning it so it comes out of like a real reaction whereas if your attic owes sound you don't get that same feeling especially in comedy you know if it was more like scare. That's different but in comedy I'm groaning in certain moments that are real to the scene. And if you add like a a post growl and it might not have the same feeling to it right because we get some. We hear some claims of people saying that foot have their language And actual words and sentences fully language. So That's interesting. They always get you to do. Growls and Rollason base is based off in the moment of the performance. It's not like written just how we're ever as living. Yeah let's do you ever gets I'm sure you've recognized all. Its Douglas Tight. Do you ever get anyone going all? It's big water. I saw you playing this role usually recognized because I'm in someone mega records it trader. Joe's the other day from a guy I'll you were in the Thera- I says usually when I go to like certain conventions or like monster Palooza where people no I am. Because you know 'cause monster fans are also right exactly. Yeah so they know I am but not not everyday life you know. Yeah because I think that's where I met you briefly years ago So we got you on the show through by husband Matt Baxter. And you met him. I think it was. He took you to a city of the dead. When was we'd saw with Jonathan Brick breath? Yeah those blast. Have you do do a lot of conferences and conventions I I was doing for a while and then I have it in the last few years. Just because I've been so focused on Work I've been working lot And then my my signing agent handles all the walking dead guys so was making so much of them that my Gosh Kinda Norman. Rita's all those as it. He kinda like focus just on now which was fine. Because I wasn't really pushing it but I I enjoy doing it from time to time a lot of times I get one and then I'd have to cancel because hated doing that But Yeah I enjoy it. 'cause you're meeting people like movies? You're in one in Denver the mile high nightmare away. Yeah Yeah We. Obesity Ran Halloween I coming from what year was but I just remember for being even taller than my husband. Yeah tall fake yeah exactly. This'll be disappointing. But a lot of lot of researchers think the original bigfoot film was probably around six feet tall. That's really disappointing. 'cause if you could read the literature from the seventies especially but even the sixties but especially in seventies a lot of people reporting like thirteen foot tall bigfoot for like looking at like second story windows. It's like it's like I'm ready for some like giant Japanese Monster. Kinda actually flick is getting up there people coming in and saying this hydro so hi everyone. Thanks for joining us at one. One two for my daughter. Thank you for watching. She really wants to if the fake teeth. That you have for bigfoot. Do you think in your impression. Or they carnivore. Teeth or urban morte. She wants to know they're definitely everhart. He Arnuhar you'll never see him eating jerky he doesn't he doesn't know where. Taryn vegetarian funding. But that doesn't mean they're not dangerous. They're yeah exactly. She can have an outtakes where the he he catches. The people throws the movie is like tossing vehicles and stuff. Yeah what do you prefer kind of acting? Do you really enjoy being the the creature band mostly or do you like doing other stuff you can play itself for. You know to be honest. I started as an actor just as myself and this kind of took over I do enjoy characters in May Some much more than others. But if I were to to ask what I enjoy more like you're asking being makeup because there's so much Physicality in You know pain that comes from being Mak- day after day that it can give a little a little old. Sometimes you know like the character in hell boy is my least favorite kind of is that is that is a character in animatronic head in a full suit damaged China. Can we fifty five pounds and could could I couldn't see you know are using was not good? It caught on fire in. What's your meal? Which went crazy. She went nuts. She's like this is bullshit. Get that thing off him. Feeling Great Great Lady. So so those things are so physical. I would much rather be a cop or detective if I had a choice. I mean just from watching your performance here at this normally performance but just watching. You seems like he's like it's like it's so anyway. Thanks for coming by. We appreciate this call. We'll get back with you able to bring a lot more at your face your performance and you're gonNA see behind the makeup so it's a different kind of acting you know. Yeah so I have a movie coming out. This summer that I star in out of makeup Call attack the unknown Scifi Film. So there is aliens in it. I'm just not playing place. Nice someone saying you played a cup named Baxter and so I'm assuming that's my else that I did off. That's a that's right. That's funny where we're getting. Let's see I am having a little trouble following the facebook feed. We're getting a lot of questions and a lot of comments. And because we're chatting dismissing them as the the coming up and again it's his facebook user. It's not saying seeing saying those little harder. Douglas saw somebody. Oughta go caller was. I'm six five so I I think I am. Dvd NEEDS TO BE UPDATE. Because I think. Imdb thinks you're six four. Oh it's time to keep that updated. Yeah I in between six five. I'm six four and a half I think is my on my shoes. Whatever rounding up the point is debate? So that's all right. So yeah so that have popped up if anyone did have a question if you WanNa send it through because we dismissing them as we chat so we're trying closer eye on them as they come through Trion Yup so One of the questions is. What's your favorite unaccredited role? That's interesting my favorite uncrowded but yeah I I'm not sure I what. What does that mean like? Is there any role where you come on as a monster? Whatever aid don't make the credits against I? Guess what I don't know maybe which we even asked. What's your favorite rule is? Maybe that would be. It's always funny to me with our signature question which we warned you about is like. What's your favorite monster? And I personally hate trying to pick my favorite anything. It's like I try to make a one. That's a tough question for sure. There's been some really good ones. I got to play something. I got to do something recently that I can't talk about hot. I shouldn't even abroad it up. But as we know what you're talking about free and now on was that one was a childhood dream to be honest on going back to universal on. I was a fan of Frankenstein growing up in in. Then I started playing Frankenstein in The park and I got my first Guest Star role on Sabrina. Teenage is Frankenstein. Wait wait wait wait. Did you say Frankenstein in the park and the universal studios the Shakespeare in the park in the universal? There's there's a lot of people get their start there. That's fantastic. Yeah did you? I saw annoyed. Bb Chris you you also directed is you wrote for the haunt yes south of pilot in the in my wife She Co directed with me and we both wrote it in. It's basically Was based off. My experiences at universal doing haunted houses. Oh Okay is comedy pilot that I wanted to try to get sold. And it's like a waiting for Guffman office in the haunted house world. Oh Neat I like that about group both small town folks who work at a local on it house and all the drama situations that happen there. So you can. Have you been pushing around? And we shot it so because we're not. We're not out there on selling scripts and things that we figured instead of scripless. Shoot it so that we have like a trailer a show right. So we're looking for the format and and things like that so That's something that I definitely want to Hopefully sell Sunday and make it into a show where. I'M NOT FOOTING BILL FOR IT. On every so yeah. So he's not the direction that you're wanting to career to evolve towards into more directing than acting. Well I love acting but I definitely want to do more directing and I WANNA do more like I just love the process of creating. Yeah Reading. Yeah no writing something. Acting in her art that I wanNA play directing scuffing using friends in that. I think are super talented engineers or something about that if I were if you were to ask me my favorite character. I've done or whatever it's definitely the stuff that you create on your own. There's nothing like it. It's super time consuming and it takes a lot of work but the end feeling and result from doing it is raise. Can't top IT We absolutely How is it working with your wife on clambering project like that was? It's it's good. I mean you know. There's always like you know bickering and stuff. But as far as like she's you know she's been in the business as long as me. You know I agree The lot of the stuff she has you know we both were both on the same page with performance and things like that you know in It's actually really good. It's it's great working together and we think this is a question from my husband here. He wanted to know in land of the lost. Yeah how many stacks were you. The you know there was. There is eight or six main hero ones. I was one of the hero thirty background once. Didn't have the animatronic mask. And so I'm in a lot of the scenes. I I get caped in the balls in one by Danny McBride. That's me I mean there's I could point out the one now. There's a lot of hair it you were it was you. Were born in seventy eight. Yes see it's you missed like the original Ron of I missed around but I did see the reruns growing up in the eighties. Cool cool what do you think? It's a weird series isn't really cheesy on but it was so cool to meet said. Is you see Crofton Onset I'll wind warnings. It was the best Martin's more business guys in was more the the light onset hanging with guy. His stories were just fabulous. Uses the coolest guy. They made a lot of strange TV. They really did. They had these in Atlanta the the world of SID and Marty Kroft. It was like a way ahead of its time. Amusement Park like in that area and it was It's down it was near a place called the Omni which is now been rebuilt into something is all. There's all new buildings down there but but what's left of it is the CNN Center? In at one point it had the world's largest freestanding escalator. Which still I don't know if it's still holds the record but it's still there but it's now the CNN center. Yeah but the run always wanted to write. They had a riot. They had all these different themed. Said Mardi Cross things but they had a a ride where you get into a pinball in the new ride through the pinball machine and I was like in the second grade in I. It blew my mind. Your Hannah Pimm. Bob Is the greatest thing right that they were time. There were some crazy wacky stuff. Yeah and they gave a lot of work to really great character actors. Who had not been used in a while so I love that and probably the longest. I really like verified. This of but I may have been the longest running sea monster show Sigmund see monster. I mean that was it was on for a while just having middle muster shows out there so that's obscure your used to be. I think we do. Wouldn't it be awesome? Yeah Yeah Guys one of my favorite monsters. I I was so interested in the universal sort of dark University of trying to put together and I was so disappointed when it seems like a adopted. Now the invisible man's doing pretty good. I mean even with the box so who knows I. I thought the The shape of water Sort of stole the thunder from what might have been a gill man reboot but man. I can get a huge creature from the Black Lagoon Fan. Yeah he's been wanting to do that movie for years. I don't know maybe there's something with universal or something but I think this was his way of doing his own. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's full creatures. Learnings they're similar creature. Designers is so brilliant on them to hide a scuba tank. It's still make it. Look very natural. It's it's really quite strange thing to say. Yeah Yeah it is. Also I mean I I as a fan of monsters is a fan of the craftsmanship behind that just. It always struck me as one of the best looking monsters and in just it was just so early. I mean ev roots. Everybody says that they're such you know that our monster fans are fan of appreciable yet and Regal Browning swinney had so it was perfect for for that character. You know it's very distinctive. It's just it's an iconic film. I mean it really is so So do you Have you had to do any monster films for they did traditional Incremental shots to like have a transformation or is it all digital now. This do people still do those. I remember Cherry. They always talked about putting nails through the tips of his fingers. We'd hold steel for the Wolfman Transformation I personally think that those transformations that were done practical look better than the CGI ones of today. But I can't really think of any that I did that. Were practical I prefer if you'RE GONNA do. Cgi suggest just to like have somebody in not see like all the growth of the hair. I've I've been on shows like Graham lives that has done that and it doesn't come across good. You see the hair coming out again. Owns BREAKING IT? Looks very phony I guess the the you what they did in American Werewolf in London and in those it was it took so much work and so many days of doing it. They just don't WanNa take that time anymore. Yeah Yeah you get away with having you. What have you credits? Which you played aware will before haven't you. Yeah Yeah it was a werewolf in animal comes home again. I've played a a wear woth in a commercial. That was really cool by Barney. Burman did the makeup whose families had been in the business forever. The burmans on Yeah I I think that's it. Do you think just about every character. I think was told you Mike A Monster Punch lists that you like to check off yeah. There is a a played Jason in the end of Birdie Bruce Jason so a while all that and then there was a there was another iconic character. Hope from my from my young days that I recently got a chance to play that. I can't talk about on the other. There's a few that I still WANNA play. I'd like to play Frankenstein in a like a Rene type of movie. I think that would be amazing since as I started on. Yeah I mean theoretically universals going to have what is on tap somewhere right theoretically so many ads. I know I wanted to do that. Also it's a good story. I mean yeah get olds up really well. What are we just met you? Hundredth anniversary is that right. The things eighteen nineteen. Yeah Yeah We. You said the two hundred advisory fairly recently so yeah someone's commented he needs to play. Jeff the talking Mongoose. That's an inside head out favorite monsters. But it's pretty skewer. I think to a lot of people don't know that one trying to skirt around you know we're all Kinda stuck at home these days but Do you deeper insight into what you'll be working on next when things opened up again. I'm working on Star Trek Card on and off the New Star Trek show in a muscle working on that legacy show. That's what I've been doing a lot of characters on that And then I have a film directed That I've been editing So that hasn't been announced yet. We don't know the title we were going to announce it on the trades and then all of this stuff happened. They said Oh it's not a good time to announce right now. Yeah it's really getting into because we don't have the name and it hasn't been announced and the the trade places like you to to to be the first one to announce it so I can't really talk about it but it was cool to have another home in the can my first feature actually direct. I can't believe more or studios. Don't use this as a clearing house for news announcements. So I don't know why but you know the M so you played in the The Star Trek J.j Abrams movie. Yeah right in there. You're in the cards. You've kind of like bridge Universes yes I al- I also. I was at Two years ago I went to the Star Trek Convention in Vegas and I was when I was eighteen. High boy didn't episode of Deep Space Nine but as like a feature character in people were bringing me screengrabs. They printed out of that of that show when I wasn't even like it wasn't like a roll of just like a featured part in there so so I've been on three things now star Trek related which is really neat. It was neat. Yeah it's funny because you know it was a time. When especially for television they would reuse the same actor from multiple role sometimes within the same season originally. Yeah so I mean that was so good about in the makeup stuff that I can be reused. I mean if it was just myself? It's Kinda like you can't really play another character when you are even seen as like a cop or something a bringing up a picture of a card so the you guys could see now that she did in our phone a great idea. This is This is a nights auricle. Yes I think. We've got a question for you here as well. Someone's asked what do you think of the new Godzilla and King Kong babies? I think they're great. I loved him. I thought I thought the when they first brought it back King Godzilla. I thought the using the story line of The nuclear bombing Japan here. Seema was all due to them killing Godzilla. But they didn't WanNa let out like that is really I enjoyed. I enjoy them for sure that their well done. I mean it's it's all CGI. But I think it's the money they have to do. It is effective. You know It's hard to do a suit thing I got to play Godzilla to in a snickers commercial so I really really data they needed. They went back and made it stand Winston. They made it just like their original. They did the same process to do. It was pretty cool. How heavy did feel it was pretty pretty heavy suit. I heard those were very heavy weight over weight. About one hundred fifty pound Landau harnessed thing it. Let it off when it was time for a take and just be going on my shoulders backpack off my shoulder so it was just so wait in my back and shoulders. Wow but that was In in Correlation when they were the first Godzilla but they did a tie in with it which was pretty cool for that snickers commercial. Wow Wow yeah. That's your impressing. My son is super breath is too yeah. Yeah it is. It's rare that my kids were even aware that I'm doing this. Show says for exciting Anna's Ning he he is a big big Anything to do with the guide you. He's he's all in so yeah and I mean again. Another example Any now those are all CGI for most part bed The alarm performace work went into those classic suit monsters. It's like I feel little. I feel for them. It's like I joined the movies but every now and then I stop and think wow. That's a lot of work even for the worst movie. It's a law of work all just hearing about the same stuff. That's really scary. To hear some of the things you'd gone through for her odds I know I know wrestling with selling snickers here people are excuse me we would have significantly nicer green backdrop so bring backdrop to like add something in there. You just have agreeing backdrop. I got it to do some video work and it turns out that if you do a lot doing zoom meetings for the first time and you can put a custom background. But there's a little check box at the bottom and it says. Do you have a green screen and if you don't have a green screen the zoom software tries to extrapolate what you want your background kind of sometimes worked. Sometimes you kind of get pixelated where things out if you have a green screen. It's like you're wherever you say you are like. It feels like perfectly natural. It's really also it just it. Just seamlessly does the Chroma key replacement. Yes really around star. You liked having a background is there. It's a it's a monster Patrick's Day. Yeah I think he's got stuck behind bear as well so if you want to take no you can't. Let's see much Freddie. There's a county risky. Oh No business. Secret better mostly side to her whiskey and that's eight also this wavy nece very strength. Apparently webcams not like a real camera. So so that was. That was a very disruptive there Thank you for letting me strike. Then he got a couple of minutes lancer if anyone else has questions. Douglas if you want to send those through but we should probably finish with our closing up question anyway. Know how about it right so we got. We're going to split your last question. Based on the preview thing that you talked about so the first thing is what's your favorite monster but you might also say. What's the favorite monster that you played as well so I think I said I kind of set it in. Frankenstein is my favorite monster. Just because I loved it as a kid and then I went to play it and it has a lot of special meaning for me. Do you have a preference for many of the movies that you like better than the others? I. I liked the original. Boris Karloff. Okay for how I just felt like. I guess I saw that one as a kid. Conic right Y- yeah very connie now does it hold up today. I mean you know it's it's it's tough sometimes. Watch some of those movies. Some of them are cool. Some of them are a little slow to today's pace but I think for the favorite character that would have to be That velox character in that. Show the quest Because I love Improv and I love things off the cuff. I love the SASQUATCH. Because I do that but this one was I had a whole army that was fighting in real night outfits in front of me that I was commanding in when I was interacting with those reality contestants. A lot of people don't know what this is talking about I never knew I had certain dialogue but it never went as planned so to be able to the mall as things were happening. And I got to figure out what I'm going to say the thriller that was so overwhelming it was just getting real reactions from them too which was cool. It was pretty amazing. Yeah that's neat look online locks from the quest and see how cool that that character is. Yeah that's a good place to stick that in the show notes. Yeah Yeah and does so. I guess one final question from a viewer is is become so popular in commercial sir. I know I did it last year to a Toyota bigfoot and yeah a bunch of He's like he. He's kind of like bigfoot kind of comedic now as far as they've portrayed with things like that and he's interesting and he makes a great salesman. You know you look at him. I I think it's I've done several. So it's it's funny people laugh when I'm doing bigfoot characters. Yes great fun makeup. It's a fun character. He's he's iconic in also he doesn't have all the Intellectual property issues other correctly given he's not the sharpest tool so he could say something in these silly and dawn people could look on but but you'll laugh because you big foot you know that's a really interesting point that because I think we've for many years we've talked about people having these sightings and how scared they are and I'm frightened of bigfoot and how big is in Iraq but in in these commercials and been in many other Representations is. He's a comedy comedy comedy when it comes to selling something we. We've we've discussed that before this whole process of really scary monsters becoming into these like fluffy You know as op three friendly happy. I call it the gentle fixation of but I I still think you can. You can use those funny versions and help you. Process your fear of monsters and celebrate monsters. As long as you're not chasing and trying to kill you monsters are awesome right exactly so I agree. I guess we need to sort of wind up here. Just WanNa thank you so much. Douglas Fir appearing on the show and Such impressive resume as. It's just really really cool to hear about your anything. You want us to push promoter linked you up people let us know into the show notes so when the pictures and you know. I can send you my anybody. Who's interested in seeing the work? I do Amman instagram page. And you know things like that. I Post a lot of my upcoming work and things I've done so outstanding. Yeah create if you WANNA book you. How did they contact you? Who's region I mean as a convention and I have a signing agent? It's on my Sean Clark. And then my agent is on there also been tastic coming through and Saint thank you. Doug absolutely IRV next for watching everybody appreciate it. We listened to shooting so we'll stay safe. Stay well what's going to happen? I'm GonNa hit the button to stop streaming and then we'll awkwardly continue to talk for thirty to forty fultz doll. 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Creature & FX Artist Ed Edmunds Joins Patrick For LIVE Premiere!

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Creature & FX Artist Ed Edmunds Joins Patrick For LIVE Premiere!

"Good evening and welcome to pop culture tonight. Monsters pop culture. I'm Patrick Phillips every Saturday. This month be live at eight, seven central with spook Takkula guests and contents celebrating all things, Halloween tonight. Talented, creature effects, artist Edmonds joins us to discuss his craft and credible creatures and what it's like working with his amazing staff at distortions unlimited to create monstrous props for celebrities like Alice Cooper and Dick Van Dyke, and thanks so much for joining us here on pop culture tonight yesterday, and here you're here. How are you this evening? Very good, good, good. You know, we should get started with that question that everyone asks you like a million times a year. How in the world did you get started making monsters where you know, I just I was a kid growing up in long grove, Illinois, and I loved monsters events and and. You know, a just started making stuff and and really didn't other than making monsters for Halloween and and so forth. It didn't do much until I lost a costume contest in up in Greeley at UNC college is going to, and and I lost it to a mask. I painted for a local novelty store used to take, you know, cheap mass and paying with a paintbrush and make them look better. And and so I thought, well, I'll just make a a mask and and take what I've learned in and and win these contests contests. The prize is a three hundred dollar stereo which you know three hundred dollars and telling much now, but back in the late seventies, that was a lot of a lot of money and then so I started the costume, showed it to the guy who's paying the mass for not like for any good reason except look what I made like. Could you make more for the store and that was it? That's how it began. I even turned on scholarship to make mass for college, credit college, credit and, and thinking that I couldn't couldn't make a living at it. I understand that you were inspired by like the outer limits, Star Trek. What were some of your other inspirations back then? Oh, mercy. Planted the eighths was gigantic and outer limits. There was actually, it was the five of out limits and a few of the characters. I architects of fear and keep her purple twilight. But the most, the one that impressed me the most was the sixth thing with David McCallum. I think it is. He had the big head of the point of years, and I was so smitten by this stuff. I didn't just watch it. You know, had a best friend and we should up late at night and watch outer limits and things. I was having a totally different experience. I was really, really wanting to be the the monsters and and in just the business found me of actually at a lot of times when I have. Actors on her. I have authors on, I'll ask them. What is your favorite book that you've written or what is your favorite role that you've taken? So in your case, what is your favorite monster or creation. Well, you know, I guess I always have to say the electric chair, and this is something we made in the mid nineties of kind of, you know, it's one of those things you your your dude just doing something I was trying to think of, well, how could we have a grand finale? And so we came up with this idea of electric chair, rainstorm studios through it and we headed sculpted and and it was really cool, and it was super primitive. We just had a big ole motor where the pulley and and and thrashing around and smoke and screaming. In fact, I think the screaming at that time was a boombox plugged into cassette player, plugged into a guitar amp for volume on a looping phone, answering machine tape. I mean, it was so crude back then the technology was just hadn't stepped up to the plate and and that product. Changed our company it. It's been said that it's changed the industry. I think it just happened to be the thing that came along at the right time. I think the industry was ready, but the hunted house industry sauve that thing at the transplant show, and I thought we'd tell six, it was the most expensive thing that I know of that the industry had ever had for sale. You know, back then it was paper skeletons and make up and wigs and stuff, and people sought and they, they, they talk themselves into buying because it just wanted it. I'm herb. It's the kid in the hunters out there that just Ooh, I just I want that thing. And so then they found out that the news came out there, tendons of many times doubled and tripled because of word of mouth. And so then they realized, wow, this could be serious business and it and it shifted the prop somehow shifted the industry to think of haunted. Houses as a profitable enterprise instead of just kind of, yeah, we'll make a few thousand bucks charity. You know, have a few beers while we're setting up and you touched on the technology part of it that wanted to talk a little bit about that because I imagined that when you were doing this thirty five plus years ago, obviously it was, you know, you were doing a lot of mass and things of that sort. But now with the technology that we have and I have to show the sleeping giant at, I just I have to show everybody because it's incredible. So let's let's do that. Everybody this year hold the sleeping giant. Take a look. Hey. Why don't we. Very good. Bobo quiet down. I love it at it is absolutely fantastic to if you would about what goes into making something that large, I mean that that things huge. Or you know, we, we always get a little carried away. We get excited about something and and so we kept as we delve in ten Metron IX, we kept pushing the barriers. And so at least barriers for us, I'm sure things have been done similar to that, but team partial. But anyway, we basically figured out a way now we lifted with leverage and double bars and things it works. Great. I mean, the failure rate is almost non-existent. Now it takes a very large celebrating the five inch, four cylinder that pulls him up, but it's basically just his head and shoulders that talks and his eyes open. And then you know his arms move and they're all connected. And then then basically. He's a shell down to his feet, and then we have feet and arms out sleeves. So it's not that big, you know, I mean, did it's, he's probably, oh, I don't know five foot across and and you know it is shoulder and things. But he goes from sitting about seven and a half e sitting and then he stands up things about twelve feet and and it and it looks more impressive than it is. 'cause when you look hunters costume, it's air. But really it allows us to do that. Yeah, it's here and, and then you get little Bobo of, you know, talk to. We just did a Jag party. In fact, it was one week ago tonight. It was a big hobbit party. And so we had him bo-bo doing havi jokes and and things like that. And and it was we took him in the dragon, a bunch of stuff down and and he was a big hit a few years ago. You and. Everybody distortions unlimited were part of a really coal documentary series on the travel channel. It was called making monsters, and I know a lot of our Anwar's very familiar with that. I myself I couldn't get enough of it. I think there were three seasons of that show. How did that show affect you and your business then? And is there still an effect even now for making monsters. Well, you know, yeah, it has affected now. I wouldn't say dramatically changed the company. We kind of went on our Mary way, but what I think it did that was wonderful. Is that it it let people that were outside the industry or get a peek into what we all do and and it did it, you know, in a really good way it wasn't the typical reality show where, okay, you're the mean boss, you're gonna go cuss at the dope guy. He's gonna keep going up and they script all this stuff. And so when they approached us, Nathan sure of from warm springs. I said that I said, look, we're not actors and we don't wanna cuss at each other and stuff like this. He said, no, no, no, we're, that is not what we're we're about. We just want to open the door to the war of your industry and and they stayed true to that. The one thing they didn't stay true to was he said that they. Would be like a fly on the wall. I couldn't even walk over to Mike because they tried to capture everything live as it happens. So I just wanna go ask my question. They, they'd be like with me where you going. Wait a minute, ten minutes later. They had the lights over their cameras and stuff, and it's like, oh, just a dumb question. But because of that, they saw what it's really like in the industry and and the interaction, you know, said our clients and it was just, it was wonderful. It was a lot of work for us, but also warm springs to put those shows together, and I came across after making monsters. You guys started doing a lot of YouTube videos and came across your YouTube recently, and there's this really cool series that you're doing and it's called monster lab. Well, you know, we, there's a lot of people that do how to videos and they're very good among the best is like the STAN Winston once. I mean, it's like, oh my gosh. But what I found with a lot of them as I was looking at them is it was like intimidating. It's like, you know, say somebody's doing a a demonstration sculpting and they're in the business and they sell their their time and so forth. Well, I think there's kind of a, they wanna keep it mysterious and like really complicated and amazing and so forth because they're, you know, they're selling themselves, but I did. That's not. I'm just like I was so frustrated when I was young, trying to figure out how to do this stuff. Nobody was talking back then there was no no internet, no books and stuff. So we I had Richard Courson stage makeup that was it. And dick Smith book forget what it's called. It was wonderful. So I had very little and I was so frustrated in that, and I just decided, you know, this is not rocket science, and so I just take it to its its basic. This is what we do. This is. The tools that I use and most guys, I don't care if they bring out and I've had some come up distortion skull. They will have this this three foot high thing with Rohr's and shelves and stuff full of tools. At the end of the day, they use five and and yes, I've got a bunch too, but if I could throw them all away except probably five tools and so I don't even deal with those things. I don't know. No need to to make it. So convoluted and a guy said it perfectly. He said, you know, I watched a video by Georgiou sculpting video, and I realized that I couldn't even do what he did his rough. And so I gave up without even trying. And then he said he looked at one of the monster lab videos, and he goes, I could do that. And he did. He's go this first mass. So that was kind of the goal. I mean, there's obviously as you evolve, you would want to, you know, watch Georgiou and and better and better, but but to get in actually make something happen and and in a week and have a monster mask that's very freeing for people in exciting and and so that was the goal to teach that stuff at its at his base level so that people could make it happen. Everybody needs to go to your YouTube channel. Wondering if maybe you could tell folks how they could find it. Well, you just go to your. And put in distortions on limited. And I don't know you could. I guess there's some different choices and things, but you also to Facebook and go to distortions unlimited official and any new stuff put up there and there's old things on there that you can dig up, but it's kind of all over. He put monster lab distortions in YouTube, yo, they'll come up. I know that the community there in Colorado is very important to you and a lot of what you guys do is very much a part of that. There's something that is called monster day. Can you tell us a little bit about monster day. Monster day is kind of fun. It's one of those trying to grassroots thing. Things I, I was looking reading the Don post book that you know it's like six hundred pages or something, and on one of the pages was talking about monster days and back in the sixties or seventies they had done to sink called monster days and they had four Sacramento out there and Don post and they had people in mass and costumes, and and just, you know, any Saul, all these teenage boys, young teenage boys. And I thought, you know, girls have this Princess stuff now and the boys are just like home playing video games thought, wouldn't it be fun to have something for for young monster Loverboy now I I am dating myself right now as I rolling derive. Is well, here's what happened. I, this was the vision I had and what was so stupid about that vision was well, of course, the the kids came, but their parents game and the grandparents came and the girls came, and you know, that was that was probably something that was speaking in my head. A stereotypical thing, of course, I know better. There's so many gals in the business. It was it was pretty male dominated back, you know, in the day in the universal days and stuff. In fact, the the creature from black moon, I sadly, I've forgotten her name, but the sculpture that did that was a woman and it was absolutely beautiful and she couldn't even it couldn't be known that a woman sculpted that. So they would have a couple of guys in lab coats with tools standing by the creature from the black goon sculpture. That's how bad it was. So now you know, you've got face off and man, you know, girls or in there and and loving it. And of course, in the haunted house business very involved in things. And so that vision in my head of this thing being for for kids and especially boys because that's what it was when I grow up and and that was blown out of the water. And so the thing the city was great. They, they got behind it. In fact, it was funny, I, I figured I had to do a sales pitch and I call in at the DA downtown development sociation and so I- he said, that's good will come. We'll have a meeting amount above on. So I thought, you know, she'd be there with a couple of people. It's like Greeley expected EDA Greeley chamber, Greeley welcoming, everybody's there and and they're like, and so I come in dressed as Cretan Anelda flesh with the basic looked like six finger from it's in, you know. In a lab coat by Bosch rump. And. And into this diner and just wanting to show them what it's like to have a really good monster on the streets. And and I sat down and really had a good laugh and they were like, okay, what do we do it? And I'm like, thinking myself, going to have to sales pitch, they had already decided that this was going to be the thing, and so they put their energy behind it and the first year. And of course Greenlees not that big. I don't know, maybe hundred hundred thousand people, so it's not a gigantic count, but the first year six thousand people showed up and and just filled the streets of Greeley. And so we tried to take it to the next level this last summer and more people showed up. We've had a train and motion simulator and shows and tents, and and it's really just kind of gotten out of control and it to me, it's the life of the. Like, oh, the the whole world loves martyr hero back in the day. It was just, it was just the nerds like me. You know. And now it's like, you know, with Disney and all their movies and stuff, it is a cultural norm. Monsters are everywhere. Well, we got a couple of questions here in one is about something that I mentioned in the setup, which was about you guys working with Alice Cooper and Dick Van Dyke. And I was wondering if you could to us a little bit about what it was like working with those guys. Well, first of all, talk about Dick Van Dyke just because it's quick. He is to me just like Robert Petrie he, that's who he seems, and super nice guy. Super funny and and he has loved monsters. He's been doing a like a monster thing at his house since I believe the sixties and but there was nothing there so you like he had to make his own Frankenstein and stuff back nearly day and and it got bigger and bigger and he'd have to hire cops to kind of. Crowd people. And so he called up on day and and it's big fan. I can Janin's you know, answers phone. He says, hi, this depend I can. And she's like, oh, funny thing. Name is depend. And then she is. He's talking. He's realizing. In that I can. She said the hairs stood up on the back. So we have been out several times in. He bought a lot of stuff that first year he bought tons of stuff, lecture cheer at all sorts of. And then he uses them up and nowadays he'll bile stuff any sells them, Jim Cameron and Jim Cameron's down the street in his neighborhood, and he buys all the junk then bit gets all new stuff. But yeah, just a wonderful guy. We're, we're probably going to go out there this year mercenary. We're talking about that at lunch today, and but then so that was just that was just a phone call. You know, it just happened. I was Cooper was a little different. He he, we had hired him to do an appearance at brutal planet, which is a haunted house. We didn't Denver, and so we knew Alice and really liked him super nice guy. I, if you if you talk them by this Mendham. He's not like, you know, a rockstar, he's like a regular guy. And so we worked with him and then he wanted to do an album and call it Virga planet. So he asked about that and and six flags contacted in wanted him to be a spokesperson. So we commercials and things. But this one time he came out to brainstorm for the brutal planet tour came out to distortions, and and so he and Shep his regional manager who's an amazing guy too. And and and Brian, his assistant and some other statements guy came up distortions. And and so as we were wrapping up the meeting, a ship head brought a gold disc of the the latest CD for the whole album, but nobody heard it except shop. And so. He's like, well, you wanna hear this on my. Yeah. And so Alex, we went my office because they had sound system in there and put this on, and the title song was called brutal planet. And so now just a quick reverse. I was I was Cooper, freak grown as he was. I loved monsters, and I loved music. I mean, I was really super entrenched in both from will. Cooper comes along and he's the closest thing to a monster music there is. And so in the seventies I was a ridiculous Alice Cooper fan. I had snakes in the basement and big ones like fourteen foot Burmese python it was I had custom silver pants. Let me tell you. I was. I was too early for nerds. I quit. I make a, this was not nowadays. Anything goes back in the seventies people look at you little funny. You know, when you when you had five inch platforms until her pants and stuff. But anyway, so here's what kinda mazes me. And so there's all that. And then of course, we did the brutal planet haunt house. And then one day hours is in my office singing brutal planet, which was the name of the haunted house. He'd asked if he could use and and and the lyrics and he singing with the CD and any saying, this is great. It's got old test minutes, got New Testament, and he's this and he's singing the song. I Mike, how does this happen? How can it? How can like got to be one of the biggest Cooper nerds end up without scooper in their office in the words group and this on a house we did I and I, you know, I just. I just marvel at that sometimes, but anyway, so that that's one thing about the business, and I'm sure people in recognize this that it it has its moments. There are times when things happen that are so crazy or people you need or something. I mean, it's just a really amazing business to be in or be a part of to tell you. I'm a huge fan of you and everybody that works there when you talk a little bit about film as well. I know that your wife Marcia is a co owner there of distortions unlimited, and I understand that at some point she worked with you in, then you guys ended up getting married and now thirty five plus years later, this thing is, I mean, it's huge while you know, poor Marcia see at g. had of very wonderful life plan to head. She was taking hoarder. Culture and she was at the time I met her, she was student teaching and things and see came to work at the store Sion's part time. You know, just to make money and things, and we ended up falling in love and I just grug her to the pit of hell of his industry because, you know, it's totally different. Like your her vision of heaven is lilac fields and things she wants to affects. You have some art studio thing on the country someday called the lilac feels like, but anyway, but he just got on board and just became a part of the whole monster scene and and really a lot of times I think people like all this nice that you work with your wife and included this. It's not like that. I mean, she is an intrical part of the business and and is incredibly involved. Every aspect of it creatively decision making. It's not like it's it's, you know, I, I decide, and then you know that everybody jumps online. It's really it's more almost more Marsha decides. I'm so busy painting stuff. You know, unless it's really getting down and dirty something I'm into. She just, you know, she just makes those decision. But the other thing is the whole crew is this is I, I don't know how many people have worked at distortions. I I know it's many, hundreds, probably thousands, but you know, as with we, the season comes, the people drop off some would stay until and and we would that crew down to a small group of people that are really like a monster, making family, and everybody's very good at what they do, and we can sit on meeting and say, this is this is the crazy idea for the week and and everybody can make it happen. It's it's really. Like can affec- studio in in Hollywood, not quite as sophisticated, maybe because the the price of these things in the durability has to be tough. But yeah, it's a fun, very, very talented group of people that that make it happen. I want to thank you so so much being here with us on the program and for being with us, some monsters of pop culture. You know, we do this once a year and you are kind of the king of monsters in a way. So it has been a fantastic time having here with us on the program. And I hope to have you on again and best of luck to you and everyone there at distortions unlimited. Really appreciate it. I appreciate that. But I think I'm a little bit closer to the court jester, but we'll just leave it at that. Well, I very much folks there. He is Edmunds check out their website at distortions unlimited dot com. That's distortions. Unlimited dot com Ed, thanks so much again and happy Halloween to you, sir. Thanks for having me.

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The Sherpa Screening Room: Meet Pat Jankiewicz! ( Season 4; Hollywood Week: Day 1 of 4)

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The Sherpa Screening Room: Meet Pat Jankiewicz! ( Season 4; Hollywood Week: Day 1 of 4)

"Welcome to too many podcasts. We start season for with Hollywood week in the Sherpa screening room. By the way I'm bill one of the Sherpa Lou studios players I'm doing this because the Sherpa is too cheap to pay real actors or real people. So feel free to blame him for the bad jokes I. Think they were blaming him for the bad jokes in season one anyway maybe even before the podcast started, let's see. How many bad jokes he makes with today's guest pass Djenka wits how that twenty bucks riding on at least five attention rebels of the sure pollution today's podcast is being brought to you. By all. You can get a free audiobook download and a thirty day free trial at www dot audible trial dot com slash Sherpa there are over one hundred, eighty thousand titles to choose from for your iphone Android hindle or MP three player. And now Mr Bruce will lead you into the Sherpa shall I as a reminder please don't disturb the AC. Coming to you from Chevrolet in beautiful downtown map podcast. Eight time for. Views in the Sherpa Screening Room Grab Niles, seat, and a bucket of popcorn at don't cringe too loud or you'll miss the show now he's your host James. PODCAST. What season four already are you kidding me? Yes we are folks a new season a new intro. Thank you so much Mr Bruce Twenty your creation a welcome back to season four of too many podcasts and this is a sharp screaming room I'm Jim podcast Sherpa. Course it is. A Look Yep, it's make. We hope you'll really enjoy the season. I'm really looking forward to some of the episodes that will be playing for you the season and I hope that you'll enjoy the chew and don't forget about seasons one through three and all the good stuff that's in there as well about this week's guest, it's Hollywood week folks. So we've got a couple of shows for you this week starting off with one of my favorite interviews of the year I had a lot of fun with this guy, his name. Is Pat. Janko wits he is an actor who's done wata movies and he's been in some nineties rock videos and he's a podcast and he's got a ton of stories. He's also an author who's got books that are encyclopedias of knowledge of Pop, culture guys incredible I really like talking to them I think you're really going to like listening to what he has to say. So let's kick off season four with my conversation with banquets. Hello rebels, I with one of my faves today he as. An actor he is. A writer and I guess we can call him a pop culture historian judging by the books that he's written he clean. He's been a nineties music video vixen because I couldn't think of a better word to use. And he's always had the. Lordship College. He's also the CO host of the Jeff Janke. His name is Pat. Janko quits pack. Welcome to the screening room. I'm honored. Gesture. How are you doing out there I love Joylin. I'm doing well and I was just thinking as we were talking before we set up you're probably the only guest I've ever had in this show who's worked with a and has gotten ice cream from Joey Buttafucco. . The kangaroo didn't give me the ice. Cream but yes, Joey Buttafucco . He came down on a commercial I was doing ..I was in a commercial. On the break, the producers said hey everyone. I treat, got everyone grab the cast and crew, and there's this big guy, the you know I'm six nine but Joey was. Kinda wide, but he's wearing a little paper hat on his head and everything. So I walked up asked for an ice cream bar, he hands me a huge one a huge one. I looked up and I go. "Well, thank you. My next words were literally what I saw. Joey Buttafucco. You know he was driving Mr Frosty truck and he was serving the . I go to give him credit for that, for that but again, it was like, OJ serving you ice cream. You don't expect it. Well. I'm thinking what if he asked you if you wanted an extra sprinkles and you said like "Oh yeah, I need sprinkles like I need a hole in my head". I need sprinkles like your wife needs a hole in her head.! Might have been too soon. We're already in trouble Right. .So. Did you originally start as an actor or as a writer because I know that it was a lot of writing going on and still is with you. Well then demeaning thing about it is active writing the acting part of my brothers dawn and Tom where they were running commercials. So we're doing commercials on the side. And my brother dog and Tom and I wrote a commercial for David Lynch? Lynch wound up, trusting me in it, which you know. So does literally writing leading to commercial. I was Gonna I. Thought IT WAS GONNA sign in the wgn the rest is history and start a job. Chart. And I found you know forever articles and stop and everything done. He's good. Actress money is huge. COMMERCIAL RUN JIM army. To Hardee's in New York are Carl's junior they used to have hardee's. Too many roast beef places but I know what you're talking about now. Kid I. Harder. Charles Junior commercial that ran for five years was a singing waiter who introduced the world of the six dollar Burger, which if you have a hardee's or cross junior, you know damn well at the dollar burner as. And it was really depressing because it was the easiest gig done. And the checks coming in all these articles. That stuff I'm knocking brains and Three hour today commercial three hours of work. You know what I mean. It's so having. To me the the journalism and the writing. It was a hand in both worlds. An addition for somebody big. You know what I mean, and you re just another forty faces running to go in and see the giant talked the guy in addition. But as a journalist. I would sit down with some of the biggest names and there were excited to see me it was. It was different when you're an actor looking for Jake. Then when you're a writer, you're in charge James Cameron may time for you know a bunch of proud soberly. Natalie part everybody everybody Christian Bale Christopher Nolan. I mean when you're the guy doing the. You're Shaving Justin E. SO Instead of being the the actor which I joined I enjoy doing it. You know what? I mean the the money when you're hired is good but. The cool thing is. Completely, different experience from going to join the office with forty other guys trying to do something the other forty haven't done. Too when you're coming into Christopher Nolan Nolan is GONNA ask your questions and he happened to do so because he wants he wants a good article and if you ask the right questions. Interview goes on and off. When I started out when when my family moved to California, I'd always been into movies always been excited my movies. So when I was in high school, my brother Donald and I would crash movie celts. And I would watch how things work. And I lied said, it was from Mike magazine even though I was shaving yet and the the director would just come sit down with me and answer all my questions. There's showed me around the STUDT not no idea. It was just a double check having fun on the but I was always very tall. I was telling him a number of soon. So Song Dot has always led to the other you don't. I've written for A. Bunch of magazines I write for Star Wars insider now. I ran for one that's in every noble mccown star wars is to as. Star Trek monthly but also right for like infinity. The best magazines right now are being done in England no English magazines covering. American. Pop Culture are really fascinating united, states, and so I'm like they're talking to mark and running about this for them. They finish is American culture in a way that we do not. Try Skies. It's just. It's just an episode, Star Trek did. Not a religious awakening or anything. And you used to write for Fangoria when you're in college, right dude, I started a. started. Running. And it was hilarious because when I was in high school, a couple of the Sensi crashed were either I'm told the most Gloria. And I remember one of the editors I wrote a pitch letter and you know what of the editors? Turned around tall man, he was such a Dick. He called me at Wendy's I was working at Wendy's high school. And my manager says it's a man from new. York. And he's calling to talk to you and I remember answering the phone. This Fan Goya editor and that was so excited. I thought he's GonNa hire me throw out by the ground and quit Wendy's. and. He goes I just want you to know one thing device the phone down our magazines four teenage boys not buy them. Incredibly mean. So. Yeah. So in college are started running, I was working for jobs. And trying to finish up. You know I worked at. Trader Joe's I did all these side jobs and then I found myself crashing I do a set visit for real. You know I got my dummy psychotic college as well. So if I did a set visit I thought I do everything I wanted to do, and then just get the hell out of there and May ten times. The money I mean a set visit now when you go there, Gloria. Charge go there thank or whatever else or starbursts or wizard wizard as well you joe and then everyone knew interviews you could turn into a separate article. So you can walk away with ten interviews and have ten articles which the next year of magazine work on the side you know in other time of doing interviews whether any specific interviews that really kind of stick out in your head young ones that the ones that really blew your mind on college winfrey rubbish shadow him for a week, the torture the assist. He wrote a defense to the local newspaper on a new. Saw An called the up to thank me and let me let me follow them around for week seven. Ramey, not only liked to my brother and I interviewed him. Ramey would bring your chain of seminar himself. I was really impressed with that as successful as he was. So interviewed Ramia interviewed Sam Raimi's mother. So that was really kind of great assemblies. Mother was a really hip check you know older lady bite. You can see where he and Bruce Campbell all those guys from Celia this amazing woman you know and I interviewed. An array whenever amy's people an actress but a bunch of. Patrick Quilt he's the Blacksmith in in army of darkness. He's the COP who yells Peter Parker for not stopping the hotels uncle fan like me and my brother from Michigan we're green. So he let me. Come hang out a renaissance all summer when renaissance used to be on Hollywood boulevard. So we learned a ton of stuff from him. You do an interview your do these interviews a late brother Todd was a writer and he told me he got like four ideas coming onto interviews I on the same day I interview. Harry us because I mean as a phone buff, you WANNA, get the people no one is talking. There was all these old writers all all Hollywood greats were sitting around and no one was bothering to talk to them. So I WANNA interviewing Perry Essex wrote a broader space, the sense of Chevy. Elder original creature with the black lagoon and nobody's talking to him and so historians are great interesting stuff on the same day as that I interviewed Jeffrey Bob, who wrote Lost Boys Inner Space Indiana Jones. Last say the panel. So, it was like a masterclass in renting from these two I. mean you're the Warner, brothers law and Mel Gibson is coming by. The. Press somebody more. Overturned by. Jeffrey. Booms office and stuff but at the time it was very cool. No no, it's not by the Howard Jeffrey Ball that written everything to sit there while he. Threw his process. It's just amazing. About your commercial back I do a burger king commercial you're suspended from a crane. Jerry the. I'm the last of the twilight order Ching Commercial. It was tired of the the twilight movies. So I'm forty three in the Air I'm GonNa Cruder and they have us over and honest dog construction. So I think I'm team Jakup by the other heart has team Edward Supposedly Fighting Burger King the burger king pulling chased Legrand's he comes down on a girder gives me a big Ma-? Gives you a Walker and we both take offers and that ends are few the amazing thing to me is they were using an honest to God Pasadena construction site. So we are literally forty feet in the air and they've got these scary spikes coming up underneath US rebar. Thank you my my brother trust. It'd be as scary spikes rebar the Basic Building Foundation House or building you Donald. Sherpa thanks. So. What happens is world? No the. Construction site and we're hanging the they put us in the safety harness. The safety harness. and. Nine Times. Out You know. If we're a harnessed in we all that we're we're done with the commercial reality just live off Gerner end the wholeness in the air be like a free bungee jump and he you know he thought about it and I said as soon as we're done, let's just grab arms and then just Flip the offices giant Gerner he goes drudgery light says, we know what to look unprofessional I agreed with them. Least unprinted or to this blind he goes Tang jaw. You guys did slip I didn't have time to attach your safety. So by testicles retracted into my body and I went lost every ounce of blood. It was just. I, almost, it was horrible. I almost committed suicide the Burger King commercial on the bright side of this commercial is for four hours. I got to eat Roberts. You know just the burgeoning suffering US loppers and it was hilarious because even though we're forty feet in the air, the food stylist printing the food and everything you know. non-toxic. Paint. That's one of the thing a commercial see these these artistic people who will as and paint your food truth and advertisers like Coca, Cola Commercial They used the larger box for the co-. You know the the red boxes you see you Brian, the source. Shane of red that they're not allowed to use in stores that they used in commercials boxes are physically bigger. No. UPC. Code no contents. So it's an arching Brad. So what happens is? You learn all this the the other guy had spent. And he was taking a bite and spitting it in like crane. In pockets of all the best hamburgers. And she goes. Larry's full of overhead if he. Has His empty and she goes you throwing them on the ground. You she goes where have you been putting them but I wrote my stomach and she spent a laughing dishonest drawback. was when the creatives decided at the urging executives and the food stylist agreed that I should take a bite of it. Because they said, pats hands are making the wallpapers look like the Walker Junior. The Go. This is not that said Robert Junior but about our accurate every time he takes the Burger in his hands. Ardor. So and so they said, they had burner Ching holder front of being a of take a whiff of it don't touch. That made me so out it was ready to cry. Now. You actually told me. I remember the last time that we spoke you got to play your dream role in as bigfoot. Vote US I am big. Have you have your Obama's on prime. You will see the hoax starring Ben Browder and Brian Thompson from the Terminator Cobra Tons of other stuff what alerts eat both. Pretty big spoiler no spread there either by the way. Those have. Man. My brother. My mother looks at me with this bigger that it's terrible. So, big what? It was it was a blast. We did it out of the top and Lake City Colorado Eighteen, thousand feet above sea over the top and this. Effects, guy and I shared a cabin. We during our yard every morning every night you would see Caribou and elgin also to animals. But Ram, it's like you've ever seen. You know hyoety. As you would see animals, you've never seen on a daily basis wandering to the yard of this album frontier cemetery walking down the hill and I'm I'm showing cabot with him. So bigfoot entire body had had speeder on our. Living, room table and. severed. One of the victims laying on top of the toilet. It was. Kinda. Cool. Because it was like it was like George really cannibals living in the wild because there'd be the screaming head on top of the toilet and a severed alarm would be the kitchen foyer. You know bill months old months. An UNBELIEVEAB- unbelievable. Not Years before as a kid I'd met him boy was a teenage sector. You know months is one of those guys. He did all the Sun Classic bigfoot bogies he all the creatures and beasts master except Hunger Roberts today he didn't. Return, to living judge he, he's the guy who designed ritual swap. Every twelve thing that's been done since then was trying to copy pulse work which Kinda call. The great thing is again doing a big. Colorado I met the most famous man in Colorado, which was the guy who played the channel L.. Packer. Packer. In desert ring a Bell South Park guys while they're in college. They made a suited for musical, which was hilarious loved in the area called Alford, packer the music of August Cannibal eight by people. But when they went when when they saw the movie Red For South Park, they sold it to Lloyd coffin and trauma on the first thing he did was best with their title but you can't change the title and he goes f you painfully said ask your no-nonsense. Knows well packers although no charitable musical and we are in the town the cannibals from when I wasn't working because you know bigfoot works at night. So during the day, everyone else was in the mountains you know there's print all I smell big big would only works at night. So the entire cast and crew is getting blasted you're working the bounds I would go sightseeing in the town again a job where when you're doing all the what is the tracker say? He's over here. You know a nine new just didn't work at night. I literally wandered this tiny how they're really nice. It was it was literally I mean they'd overcharge while the the court by groceries. Banks dollar's popped up for off brand pop tarts. Small town ever. Watch movies in a quonset hut. Some Harley Quinn thing would be showing the local theater was a quonset hut, an all the dogs and cats charges that was so called had five layers of per because it was so damned coal in in the summer, we're shooting this thing in the summer and it was frigging snowing in the Moans I couldn't believe that you know you said used to camp as a kid and you always used to be kind of scared about bigfoot right Sherwood a big but by my grandmother by. Drilling Transall all in the by mom is from Seattle. So all of that side of the. North. And I'd seen some bigfoot documentary. You know one of the documentaries, Detroit TV. and. I. Think I saw either. Elaine night sprinting of either creature from Black Lake which are bigfoot movie or or alleged of Boggy Creek whatever was scared the hell out of me, and once we found out in cursive bracelet used to run a truck not to. So once we found out facific northwest's bigfoot lived. We're going there anyway by brother Donald that I were obsessed with bigfoot you don't WanNa just terrified of telling me the time telling everyone. So two hundred under a tree while boxing bond looking for me about the. Rolling Surreal experience. Let me tell you Sherpa. Let's talk a little new that your your nineties music video cred. You're in the Tom Petty. It's good to be King Well Very George Jessica I was in Tom. Came on the weird thing is they are the silver. Canada. The son Sunshine I, remember the drudgery. The was cool. But very art damaged. He's French. So one part of Big Rose I want Pat Susan? King to take a wide drag of a cigarette and blows smoke at the camera and the girl who doesn't get in trouble whispers to me it's highly flammable. She goes if you can get up to not do that in a way that saves your face by job would be really appreciated. Armor de I just gave up just up smoking I talked to my life but that was trying to save her job to i. said, I just gave up and my doctor said if I start smoking yet LP addiction for the rest of. This Oh. I'm losing my shots but I don't want you to be a knife non-smoker. Tom Petty who was smoking every five minutes it's like me shrugged it took a long track. I tell me that working with the kangaroo the kangaroo is. Age Of this, video. So did a I didn't really I. DO by stupidest my superpower is I can run as fast as a dog at all forced. Once you do when you draw a music video, your broad, and you've got literally to frigging minutes to. To. You've got two minutes in the robe, and if you're not a smoking hot check, they look at you. Why can you do the Evanston Forty Times before? Well for me since I'm six hundred, nine W. over running as fast as dog we're trying to knock them out. Once you do and he goes. I remember one. On one of my videos he chuck shooting and shooting the addition guy and the does aren't you gonNa cut it and he goes oh yeah. But he just kept staring at me because it freaked him out. So I did this weird video. TOOL VIDEO The drudge, her had also done a tons of female director. It was incubus. It was called target new, which is a great song anyway Florida's cigarettes. Monday directed at also did the. Dull doubled throwing her I am DB. Area for. Runaways, you really tell them to. Check. culture but she had a really should have really wealthy point of view. In. This video again, I do a lot of creature. So it was really weird. I'm one of humans video and all the people in the. All the people in the video are patched for the animal people. So our animals and there was amazing prosthetics. So everywhere you look animals like Jay z's beautiful stunning Russian bottles that they turned into. Siamese cats. I remember going to the bathroom. Look to my right at two urinals. There's a dog by right and there's a horse on my left I mean pertinent the catch it all. But the horse and the dog you're looking at being I'm looking at the roller urinals. Those very strange. So. That's what the. Time on this. Most of the time with my dog Ron. I'm I'm the human, which is really weird because I thought horror movies would jump at that but stan, Winston upbringing re in. An he told me. He goes I tried to get humans run like you on part of the apes an wrong turn joyner I WANNA ruin the wrong turns Sean in Canada. Unstained, they shot in Canada the told you can find the monsters here and Stan Winston pushed me for the role. Then I ran into him at a later a comic con Party or something instead. The girl, the girl in the wrong turn, but we set the guy up for your on fire. Feel better because he says he's he goes separate girl into. The Canadian Guy, you're park got Senate fire but the girl. Nice said, why is thank Stan I guess. Canadian, they only want the busters picture navy and the crawl American in. So Stern told me your rob because. You're my number one choice, the creature. So what happened is. Song joined this video or Incubus I'm a pat on the animal people were on a show called super human rights where the pets have to come on and then their their routines. And Day cleared it around for everybody when they brought him this kangaroo and he was he was a young girl you. All. To. Buddy up a six foot spam. and. They end the trainer. told me he goes. I go you know it's been a joke on Popeye and Mickey Mouse and This kangaroos kick you in your knocked out and he goes. He goes chiggers are no joke. They've been known on the outback and he wasn't joking that Sarah's they should disembowel people in pray from the time of. Know chain rule as soon as they are. Guess they're incredibly dirty. And the king, who is the Doral I mean he got nervous. What art? Never even saw him was like three feet tall but he had a six what. He got nervous supporting chicken feed out it was. Nobody saw coming nobody was behind him but if I wouldn't have been bind if they would knocked out, isn't it amazing? I mean you never You never think in kangaroo kangaroo all things but incredibly deadly, you put the ban the ban was called of the effects were need and. Doing this video it was such a trippy video, your enemy You do something like that I remember I did a fan I. I did the dog run. In this hotel Roslyn which in fight, a tub and seven other boys is really rundown Hollywood hotel. When the ban was celebrating the the the when you were so popular. In the the newest. So popular, the bench into town was asked to introduce them at the Viper. And that was really trippy because. I'm introducing the band. and Johnny Jaap was harshly tending bar. You know the Johnny Depp Hen be a Scotch after I introduced to be. Good couldn't trump. Hands. You a scotching taking. This is so surreal. You know what I mean. Yeah. The band is they're they're all being. One selling video was so bad. got them out of Pittsburgh. They flew them all the way to La. You have several books out. And I know they really like really. Detailed homes of pop culture, and that's where you really love is with with writing. To me again. That had. been. Books on any of the things I mean, of course there I wrote three books. Four hundred I'm trying to finish Willing, I'm trying to get all you know John You know I wrote just say a jaws companion on all four jaws movies. You wouldn't leg me when I'm angry, an incredible hulk companion forward by Lou. stanleys. And the last one was Kinda, my publisher that idea but I'm I'm. I stand by my books. Rogers and the twenty century. A. Really, really sweet Ford by Aaron, Greg. I did. You mentioned earlier running gory on star log. Are covered a lot of these things I had all these interviews with people who worked on these different projects and it just struck me there wasn't a book on all four jaws Bovi so and as every publisher. Does the other three are terrible but. But I wanted to know about the other three dollars. That's why I wrote or can mean I wanted to know stuff about the original jaws not new. But at the same time I also wanted to know what the hell this was all about you know. I just wanted to I wanted to story and choices my first book and I literally I interviewed all the victims of the original shark I put everything is a kid would have bought it from any you know as a kid, you love. You Love Michael Myers you'll love Jason Euell Chucky. And you want to know how many once CIANCI has the highest job talk you know how many how does die in this? What did you the jaws boats? Each shark died I wanted to sharp stats. Twenty five feet three tons of the first one jaws the revenge. Looks Crap is only twenty three feet wall I. Don't know why. He has the lowest duck taller. The movie you'll eat tells one person when you sue the final movie, He just two people actually wanted the wanted the Bahamas. One Amity. He actually killed three people originally one of the guys was living TV version so we took him You know I wanted to. Cover your oldest. Was the the first success marvel comics outside of unsold comic long before the BOOBS. You know they did Spiderman but was the runaway critical success the ratings. So I got to do I got to do what I wanted to which. That was the that would not die. You know what I mean. I've heard from our comics. I heard a bunch of conversations with Stanley. I had all this material and on unfortunately. The two pounds I mean if you buy the book on Amazon will. Campaign if you buy them on Amazon in his two free compounds announced because I could not stop writing. There's fifty pages on the origin of the Hulk in the comic book. And then there's another five hundred on the TV series, the movies, the TV movies. Lou frig no the. Show I talked to one hundred ten just's of the show and and writers and directors producers. That was one of those books where if I didn't I didn't so much to turn in. I had to have a couple of my brothers turn onto my hands and said that all because I would still be running that damn thing because every story led to another story by the time I was done with the series was like ninety one episodes. Then I come over the next three TV movies then Cover Angles Hollick Edward Norton College and then Just. The justice everything was done in going to fat. I love you man came out. You know you tend to vote for your heart and I. Love You bet so I got I got the drudgery. It was literally I would still be running that Damn borchert our today can you imagine trying to write it after injuring two hundred and all that other stuff? I, couldn't get in the mail. I couldn't hit send fast enough publisher the. Vietnam there was one of those sports where you know you know you'll lose the daylight you'll you lose yourself I mean you're you're thinking how many episodes? And I. Remember it was ninety one episodes and I remember wanting to throw the butcher against the wall on episode seventeen because they're just so difficult. I look on the data first aired and everything else. It was just murder. You know what I mean I mean I'm happy. The book is beloved put. I hope that people appreciate that was one hundred I think he didn't have that. You wouldn't like me when my hands are all cramped up from doing all that typing. Literally unkempt hoping not. Deep. In it I remember I was at the Seattle I was covering the Emerald City comic con Seattle. And my sister on my sister Diane husband jamming their kids would be. was doing interviews there. The kids were shopping enrichment a good time. and My said it's my big sister. So when she makes a suggestion, it's usually I usually followed younger brother syndrome you know what I mean and She goes you ought to ask Lou. He's right over there. You ought to ask Luna right the forward. And I remember walking up the loop. And my nephew is like ten or eleven easily these big is rex senator. Heart. And I remember thinking. Man if Liu. Says, he won't do it in front of my sister's family I'm going to run home delete everything I have to pretend I never thought of it. An instead, dammit loose was a great idea and excitedly told me he was done with it. It's like I'm stuck. Finished the damn thing. Who is A forward, I would have thought yes. I'm done across the great idea. So I was on for the entire afternoons. I know you podcast Geoff Janke show is currently on a little bit of a hiatus right now what what type of shows did you guys do for the people that have never heard of it? Sure. WAS A it's a California anybody to watch on. Youtube just. If you hit Jeff Janke untrustworthy idiot metro host misspelled Jackie. So J. CIA. Fits schedule because Jeff Scalps stuff for the studios, an undoing, a writing, and so when we will do that, we ship the show running way. No. If I am an addition or something, it's usually two or later in the day and my other jobs that will have to start. So Algebra, we did a hall culture show and we're we're obsessed with pop cultures noted, and we would have people come on the show to talk about their experiences, character actors, Chart Darker was Robert, Shaw, we had. Jeff East coming you know Jeff East who played card Ken Young Superman Soup random movie. He would be a really fun terrible animal house rip up the Creek and how he's in he's the last guy standing and Pumpkin. So we only have these people and they were very cool people and they're coming in at six or seven in the morning to do the show we had chess o. l. you know we got all these punk bands and other we had actresses come on. I. Mean just. People would come in and do the show. They'd be with us for like three hours. We would have tiffany. Come in Jim O. JAW big effects guy his entire cast and crew came in on one show for his horrible be strange wilderness. Also, on her Halloween shows, we would have Veronica Carlson to hammer scream queen would be on with us every Halloween morning we had Scottie Schwartz come in from Christmas store you know I mean any I mean did a ton of other stuff but he would tell his Christmas story story. Rory with Richard Pryor on the toy the beautiful redhead from. Constrain what he's to me. It's always a lot of fun to have these people come in. This is why this cultured corn gene is boring the hell out of me all my interviews, the best word that I would rather sit across from you for over a cup of coffee and talk I mean I can see your face, which is why an interview like this is good for owners man I die on the violent owners I hate for interviews like in personally told you know as fun as this is when you're across the table from somebody, there's more of an intimacy immediacy taught you know I'll do a lot of amazing directors and producers to some. Of the biggest names in Hollywood, the point is when you do that when you do that in person, what are you GonNa ask, Jim Jim James Cameron that's not gonNa that's not going to bore him. You know you WANNA ask him questions cheaper thinking when you're on the set. When you're on the side, you're interviewing Christina Ricci or you're interviewing bill poelman or Bill Paxton you want them interested you wanted to ask questions that that you I don't want anybody in. Yeah. You're going to have to ask about aliens or you'd have to ask but this or that also going to ask about stop that will make them animated an interesting like Bill Paxton with. Fantastic. He was working on this crappy alien. When we did the interview. and. We're in Long Beach. And at one part he goes he. Break she goes. Let's go. Let's go have a beer and that Katina and. He. John. We're GONNA leave the publicist our arms darned said Bill. You cannot take the press the CANTINA. You May. And I'm already here making plan ten for our space Champi honest with my friends and the press. On you love the guard, he would tell great stories. One of his best stories is you remember the creep she played and true lies. Yeah. I thought a while ago. Yeah. He plays a used car dealer who pretends to be a secret agent. And when he does this, he's doing his sensitive secret special agent voice. An afternoon has said he was goofing to James Cameron they were goofing on Michael Biehn. The. The the the intense guy all those movies together for James Cameron Terminator Aliens. Ing Mike. Breen. Redo and all the sensitive Action Guy Voice. So Bill Paxton was doing that voice to big, James? Who? I mean, just a, that's a great story. You know he's not going to share that unless unless you get there you know. It's like asking a girl, the dance you've got two minutes. You get ten seconds degree to dance Tubas. Done the wrong tip you do it round table with some of the biggest idiots in the world you know. There are some great reporters. Great Price. But I remember interviewing Bollock Walberg. There was an Australian guy. And I know this is the round tables and this is a strange guy. Shining over everyone else telling him make a muscle make muscle. He's trying to promote movie industrial Joe, leans, over and squeezes this muscle who's flow then the Australian guy. Tap of the publicist said, Walberg. Your questions you know if you want one. But a round table your dot you're in harness with like eight other people on your at a table full of. And most of the questions are terrible most of the questions are. And you've got to make an impression. And you gotta ask a question that's worth asking. And if they like the question, then you suddenly you're the publicist pulse your side and says, Hey, listen here listen Blah. Blah Blah, you want to do the interview over here I mean that's how I gotta wonder why was Charlie's throwed? Deli permanent all this. If ask intelligent questions, you get intelligent answers you get an intelligent. You ask Zach Snyder something has been asked a million times. And I mean started was amazing. Steiner was. Just amazing people you talk to the CO creator watchmen Dave jets. The the comic watchmen. And, he'll start telling you as Brit. He drew water towers alter watchman because they grew up in American comic books in London is freezing. So they don't have any they don't have any. They don't have any water towers in England, but as Chelsea said. Bora were obsessed with Water Tarzan Spiderman trump's they were obsessed I buildings who was so cold London they couldn't imagine anybody would need to pray water tower on top of their on top of their office. So nothing great answer you know what I mean. I running for star log in Star Trek. I'm kind of bored interviewing the regular on the show. What are you gonNA ask who kind of What she hasn't been answered in a million times before for fifty some years. I want the guest star I want the guest starred. This was a carpet. and. I can't believe this piece of crap Sifi things following. Those are the best interview asking the Guy who Burgers Catholic Church crew member by turning them into a chill asking the guy who played the Greek God. Apollo. Well what it's like to be recognized forty fifty some years later. From this franchise not to me is the real question. It's like it's like bring a minute wonder you know the you know all these characters exhibitry all they've got mission impossible they did happen. But the Star Trek stop their star. Trek guest appearance has been criticized the point where. They can't believe. It's important I mean. You know you star Trek interviews though the other thing they can't believe this and those days you are only paid for the first six episodes. Noble. Julie Newmar got her last check as cat woman and for Alien Bay another. Star Trek. Her last chuck was the was in the early Seventies. Weren't getting anything. So it became kind of a winning lottery ticket for these people to find out that their star Trek episode, you know what? I mean Sunday there in demand in the convention circuit. Unto me that's a fascinating interview to your. No this entirely different thing would open up to you. You know. And I guess we'd have that cult following on the show that people follow. It's such with such detail and these people become stars in a whole different light. An insult comedian was sort of bring a one hit wonder I mean they would be there would be filling that they never started the book there always a heavier henchman or something. But they turn around and they would say. I had no idea. I would pay more attention than star trek you buy new, it was such a big deal you know and and. I liked the story. It's like being a wonder wonder from a sixty s music groups does the cute space hippie the coupon space hippie telling you her story she's a really talented. Or she tells you her story realizing that this thing had a cult following. That's all people want to talk about. Even. Big Character Actors Charles Napier who is probably best known is he's the hillbilly who wants to kill the blues brothers and He's the Guy Hannibal Lecter strings up on the Cajun sounds labs. was done in a star Trek and he he he couldn't believe. He was I worked with Russ. Meyer people want to talk about Spice Hippie on Star Trek. You know. About you know. Before I let you go the last time that we spoke it was Taco Tuesday and I didn't even realize we rescheduled. TACO Tuesday again. It is torture Tuesday. The weird thing is my brother. You're right. It's about the High Holy. Day of the Jacobs Family Chandra's TACO Tuesday. The thing about it last night is I told Donald by brother Donald I was going into watch last night and they said, Hey, tomorrow's Taco Tuesday. And he goes. Lens Co. tonight. So I mean we weren't last night. We had our TACOS. We had what they call the Burrito, which is a brutal where it's like. Seventy five cents extra but they put they put French. Fries and all this good stuff. So. But stone as soon as in like three in the morning so. You. G You ask them for the stone of Burrito they know exactly what you mean. They'll talk New York. On now unfortunately, we don't really missed out. No, they help I know they have. Era Zona now. Joel. Choco is a to me is what separates us this isn't in Burger which people swear by or Coney Island back in Michigan. To me, you're not California a TACO. Tuesday adults are. The best. I'm sure it's all horrible for you but it's the best finger licking hold on her I can't rape it up with no. Okay. Is there anything else that we have to look forward to seeing you in PAT everything coming up? Yes. You just take us something by join. If you WANNA, see me raw jarred running. Sherman screwed up I'm in a Jenny. Jenny trae her Kasich in the prey. It's like this. You are. They go to Iraq Sean in Iraq, which means we shot on the valley on the set for Ironman from Iraq. They wanking ancient horror me. This. Thing, Bob. I like a spider and a monkey and all this other stuff. So I chased a bunch of soldiers around for ninety minutes on all fours eating. You originally recognize me I have like eight is an but no, the trailer online I called prayer. Prayer whatever it is it's on DVD it's released later this year. Jenny. Trio isn't it a the only one? You want to recognize that thing scores chasing people around. Turned artist by. This I run on offer pitching new. I couldn't get cast all these horrible bees like hell's is and all this with Josh Rhona with monsters all fours. And then when you see ge or they would do. Or the kind of the Stan Winston said the problem with a guy like you is you can really do it. We get it for everyone else. So you're the last thing anybody wants the road is a guy really run all forests because you'll make everyone they're thinking would fast so. I was lows in Kabul depressed. This is a monster. We will see me on all bars running around eating people. And as long as the tacos tastes better than the soldiers. That's the important thing. Right talk much about the soldiers no strict bucket here. Okay. His name is Pat Janko. It's Pat. Thank you so much for the reduce their. Daughter was mine. And the exchange of being on your show, you have next time you're breaking quarantine you have to drive by the evitable horror house in Heart your heart which. One of these days we have to get you at eight if you could actually see it in person I am so frigging drawing. Swear here but only it's in the service of story I differ another friend from Long Island. One of the Great Log island people as Elliott Elliott Puts Munster. Palooza is from Long Island and I another friend who said when they were kids they were ride their bikes there would ride their bikes around the Bay any Bohara neighborhood waiting for someone of the out of the house. And my friend would describe the story to be running his bike up and down all day with his brother waiting for people. So the current owners or house would come out and. Really trace road ride their bikes into the driveway you know doing circles. Hey Hey this poem is underway to the grocery stars thinking. Hey. Hey. You're signing. Ghosts. and. He does even though they're like eight ten, the woman look over at them and go fuck yourself. Does. Take Long Island right there I think. All Right Pat I will let you go Sarah Thank you so much. Thank you for living. Meet through. The does barren wastelands gesture. I had a great time. Jim. Thank you. If you haven't heard about anchor, it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record an editor podcast right from your phone or computer. Anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and many more pod casting platforms. You can even make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make podcast all in one place download the free anchor, APP or go to Anchor Dot FM to get started. Let's get back to the Sherpa. Thanks so much for listening and thank you so much to Mr Pat Janko. It's really enjoyed having him. We got to keep an eye open for some of the stuff that he's coming out with the guy is so cool and if you WANNA follow this show on social media, it's sherp pollution at twitter instagram or facebook, and of course, you can listen to the show on your favorite podcast APP or my website Sherp Aleutian dot com don't forget this Hollywood week. So please stay tuned and enjoy I'm Jim the PODCAST SHERPA and Mr Bruce. Chose off with that cool new ending but if you could escort everybody out the door, I, really appreciate it. Look. There's bigfoot. Thanks for listening to the ship a screening room. Don't forget to subscribe right review and share this podcast. I'm Mr. Bruce and this has been a sherpa loose studios production Viva La Chapelle Lucien.

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Predator (1987) | John McTiernan

"Hi welcome to around the world in eighty s movies. My name is vince leo i am the author of the film review website quip stir dot net. I invite you to check out over four thousand of my written reviews and read their anytime quick. Dot net is where to go key w. I p. s. t. e. r. dot net while you're there. I do encourage you to check out my other podcast called the quit stor film review podcast recover brand new movies not like eighties but a lot of films that are inspired by the eighties it just for the link on my website hipster dot net today. We're going to be getting into the first of a three part series. We just finished a three part series looking at alien killing machines scenes in the film that i'm going to be reviewing today does qualify to be part of that trilogy but this one i'm talking about today will be kicking off a brand new trilogy of films of the nineteen eighty s looking at commandos special units special soldiers in films of the nineteen eighty s bridging the gap between the alien movies had these other kinds of movies. We're going to look at nineteen. Eighty seven's predator predator is an r. rated film as you can imagine it does have strong bloody levi alliance sexual references and language the run time is one hour and forty seven minutes. Arnold schwarzenegger is the main star with other roles going to carl weathers bill duke jesse ventura pedia correo sunny land richard chavez shane black kevin peter hall the director of predator is is john mccain in and the screenplay credited to jim and john thomas arnold schwarzenegger of course in the nineteen eighties known for his bodybuilding physique zeke in films. He's a little bit leaner than customary. He shed about twenty five pounds for the role as major dutch schaefer. He thought that this role would require someone who's a lot leaner to carry out some of the feats that he ends up doing this film dutch travels along with his crew of elite special ops commandos to this jungle of this hostile latin american country on this covert hostage rescue mission however dutch soon finds out that there's more to this mission than he he had originally been told by his old friend major george dillon played by carl weathers and that leaves these commandos in firefight with other military factions in this country that they're not even supposed to be in on what's worse than that. They discover that some of the soldiers in the area have been killed in most disturbing manner. They've been skinned. They've been disemboweled. There left for vultures to feast on and even worse than that if you can imagine duchess crew appears to be next on the prey list way more to the story then i'm leading on there by the plot but if you haven't seen it i do encourage you to go see before i get into the details of this review. Now the idea for the film predator came from the mind and initially of writer jim thomas he had help from his brother. John coming up for ideas on where the story would ultimately go the seed for predator actually spun spun off from a joke after the release of rocky four about woo hoo is still gonna fight next and alien because he's beaten the best human appoints anyone can imagine on on film. They decided to have a film that essentially was at least in their minds initially rocky versus e or an alien the script would eventually come to be known as the hunter and then it was shortened to hunter sometime down the road. They shopped the hunter script around the sending letters vary studios high rollers on the hope that somebody would take them up on a sale but they were getting rejected at nearly every turn and the one exception was twenty th century fox under its new head lawrence gordon they green inlet aliens to great success during this period the development on predator was that it would be a film that was going to be directed by new zealand filmmaker called jeff murphy. This would be jeff. Murphy's next science fiction project after he finished the quiet earth now back then the hunters script was about a leader of a team of about ten navy seals as the hero they were going to take on a high-powered alien this one resembling build hunters that used to go out on safari in africa but he he would be the opposite of a he man he was going to be represented as either a woman or an old man or some disguise he was going to travel to earth specifically central america because that's where a lot of the super soldiers of the united states were at that time but that alien was going to be there to hunt large game and one of the biggest large games that it it like to hunt was humans jim and john thomas had envisioned sylvester stallone role as they were writing it however when they met with jeff murphy jeff murphy had harrison ford ford in mind all of these ideas ended up not sitting well with producers at fox they felt that the elite team in the script should not be seen as antagonizing these central the american guerrillas or villages as written which comprised of old men or women or teens as it was in the script even if that might be realistic as to what american g._i.'s as may have been known to be doing in the news at the time was still going to be a hard sell to the american public and would probably confuse the story with a lot of politics that they had no no interest in delving into the also despised the appearance of the hunter alien as a woman or an old man or even human-like at all insisted that the alien needed to be menacing hissing and ugly and obviously other worldly when joel silver became attached as the producer he had his own notions of what was going to work including offering arnold scharzenegger the lead role jeff murphy objected to this he couldn't by an austrian would represent the kind of all american g._i. That they had in mind to head the navy seals but you'll silverwood without when arnold schwarzenegger's commando did very well at the box office and that proved americans would accept an austrian without issue at least if it was arnold swertz nigger jeff murphy would soon be fired front of the project schwarzenegger had signed on with the stipulation that he could pick his own director for hunter and that director was. I'm not going to be murphy. Schwarzenegger had barely even heard of him as arnold signed on board and he brought along his friend to the project and the american producer named john davis and this would represent the first i film produced by davis's company davis entertainment as far as finding another director for the film on the recommendation of schwarzenegger schwarzenegger found the low budget and the production troubled nineteen eighty-six movie called nomad's to be directed with a lot of surprising tension and atmosphere he thought would make for an intriguing look so davis ended up getting to work on getting gordon the head of fox and joel silver to secure the direct oriel services of the director of nomads john mckiernan bacteria in would go on to make his mark one of the best action director of the nineteen eighties with predator. This is a very unique and very skillfully made mash up of a guerrilla action flick. Those commando action flicks that were very very popular in the mid nineteen eighty s but with a science fiction backbone predator is deceptively simple but it's also absolutely gripping once it gets going going and that's thanks to the time that material takes working from the script from jim and john thomas in establishing those characters mission they reduce the plot down to just what the audience needs to know and that makes the events happen later in the film all the more horrific. I think if there's one knock on this film is that this sparse screenplay uncharacteristically gives arnie some unnecessary very exposition toward the end as he explains himself and to the predator just what he's thinking is if we couldn't figure out what's going on through body language alone but that's all very nitpicky once you're in the moment you you tend to overlook that for the sake of the action and the fun now in addition to mc tyrians tight direction i think predator source to the top of the nineteen eighties action flick pack because of its brilliant and camera work. There is some breathtaking cinematography here by donald mcalpine and there's this gorgeous score from alan silvestri. I think that's one that's worthy of a major science fiction. Epoch franchisees predator also features special effects that are very simple but still very appropriate and and that makes it one of the few science fiction films of the nineteen eighties to stand up. I think equally equally well today. Particularly memorable is the use of first person infrared technology or at least a semblance of it to close in as to how the predator manages to thermally normally see the man who are camouflaged and also its ability to use voice mimicry to separate the men from the rest of the pack for an easy kill kind of like a decoy and once you you see the predator close up. It's a site that you're not going to soon forget arnold schwarzenegger here in his prime as an action star. He's mostly subdued though from the arnold that we know during during this period he gives a few of traditional one liners he ad libbed the line stick it out and that punctuates a particular scene where he impales someone by throwing a knife while he's standing and his unintentionally funny line later get to the chopper that would become a popular internet meme even to this day but his physical michael action performance still ranks among his very best even if his acting is a little suspect in the initial phases of the script. The character of the film was that of dutch which schwarzenegger was not keen on signing on for because he thought that that was just another iteration of the roles he's played before including just more recently in commando he i thought it would be more interesting to fill out the personalities of the team like some of his favourite westerns that he had watched growing up the wild bunch and the magnificent this is at seven and that prompted additional rewrites to the script until they get the superstar actor to sign on board with something that he liked the seemingly ironic onic in credits of the film feature curtain call for each member of the cast that was actually in wash those old war films those old western style would wants do the same although although a predator does have a lot of death and destruction mccain and felt all along that he was making a fun film first and foremost popcorn film he thought that the final bow from the cast in in addition to being a no majd to the kinds of movies that he and schwarzenegger we're trying to do it was his last tongue-in-cheek wink to the audience that he was making a film all in fun predator also the features of fantastic supporting cast of macho actors most selected specifically by mckiernan and silver including carr weather's sunny lanham lent him it worked with joel silver before and productions like the warriors forty eight hours to the walter hill movies incidentally sunny lane ham actually needed a bodyguard for the set not to protect him but actually actually keep him from getting into violent altercations. There was also the ex professional wrestler jesse the body even era who left his gig as a commentator for wrestlemainia media to to pursue acting here they would all undergo about six weeks of grueling boot camp to get into the kind of physical shape and to learn how to repel from robes or climb trees zor handle a variety of heavy weaponry carl weathers was the season professional that mckiernan had wanted to cast here he wanted him to work with the other actors the ones that did not have as much experience especially arnold schwarzenegger because he thought that carl weathers being on board up schwarzenegger's game due to the competitive nature picture of arnold and because he wanted to work harder than any other guy and so whether it's pumping iron before each shoot or in preparing for the lines everybody was going to work to to be the best in this film car. Weather's also has the more nuanced role of the film. He is a compatriot of the men doing battle but he's also one that harbors a bit of a secret as is to what the nature of the mission actually is bill. Duke was another season actor that schwarzenegger liked working with he had just appeared with schwarzenegger in commando and despite the attempt to incorporate these more experienced actors. The biggest liability of predators still remains the stiff performances by some of the cast especially by schwarzenegger when he delivers this dialogue more than two words. It's better than he had done before but obviously he still had a long way to go to being the arnold schwarzenegger that can really carry a movie without unintentional intentional snickers now shortly after filming began schwarzenegger would take leave to marry maria shriver they would on a short honeymoon in antigua and that ended with them arriving arriving together on the set to resume filming his scenes shane black who plays hawkins in this film. He's the bespectacled commando with a gift for raunchy jokes. She black selected not for his matches mo or his acting ability per se but because mckiernan wanted another writer around that would help with the rewrites to the script as things went along and they wanted but to change direction according to the producer john davis when black refused to rework the script claiming he was hired here as an actor not a writer his character was was one of the first to get killed mccain does give credit to shame black though because he came up with some elements for his character that were not in the script in fact mcteer in and encouraged him to do so he wanted ended black to tell on camera a couple of the raunchy jokes that he was telling some of the cast and crew on the set to try to break up the tension regardless of blacks early dismissal for not completely -pletely playing ball with mckiernan and the rest of the producers he did prove to be quite talent as a writer he would go onto greater success the same year as the screenwriter for lethal lethal weapon and that would springboard into a long lucrative career as a screenwriter and later and action director in his own right in fact he directed iron man three and he would return to this series <hes> the predator series not as an actor but as the director and the screenwriter of twenty eighteenth the predator now in addition to being almost unbearably hot and humid in the weather there were leeches there were snakes there were vast areas of mud in mexico and nearly the entire crew contracted montezuma's revenge from the lack lack of clean water especially at the hotel. Those weren't the biggest worries there were bigger production problems that would soon set in that almost derailed the film mostly due to issues in nailing down the nature of the films bad guy aka the hunter especially what it would look like with the initial costume that was designed by small effects company run by richard alan the the costume was deemed too shoddy too impractical and not at all active in eliciting the kind of terror that they were going for schwarzenegger would compare the first look of the hunter to a human sized lizard with the head of a duck initially junk van damme who was an associate of casting director jackie burch he would constantly you go into her office and hustle her for any work that she could find for him he was going to be in the prototype predator suit and that was made with rubber and felt the real suit suit at that time was not completely fully made much to mccain's chagrin he was waiting for it to get delivered but van dam ended up finding the costume afforded very little visibility grew very very hot inside it and that did not give him the ability to exert himself with any of his trademark martial arts moves he wasn't gonna do any roundhouse kicks for instance at rendered his his performance as ineffective and without being able to show off what he can do and with the realization that his character would be either off the screen for most of the film or he'd be unrecognizable recognizable on those moments where he might appear van damme's desire began to wane he ended up causing some friction with the cast and the crew who had to hear his persistent complaining about that suit he was gone after two days and whether he quit or whether he was let go depends on who you ask or even how he was like or why one story was that he was mad at having to wear the headpiece that was making him pass out from dehydration. He ended up smashing it to the ground and that was why he was ultimately. Let go wpro too much trouble for his own. Worth van damme was also subsequently deemed not physically imposing enough. He was either five nine or five ten depending on where you read it. He also so as to lean compared to the beefy heroes that he would be fighting against arnold. Schwarzenegger carl weathers themselves were six to sunny lanham was six three bill duke and jesse ventura stood stood a towering six four so he was much shorter than them and that caused the entire shoot to end up shutting down for eight months so that they could retool the film and figure out where they wanted to go. They wanted to get a costume and makeup ready for a larger predator. At the suggestion of the more expensive newly hired effects juror the ended up hiring stan winston to come in and do the new predator look. He wanted a creature that was even bigger than the guy is that he was fighting against and he would end up being played by these seven two or seven three depending on. Where are you read. This is a very common thing to try to nail down the heights of anyone in hollywood kevin peter hall would end up playing the predator in the costume during during the film's climax especially now for the actual look of the hunter that they decided to go with <hes> after a lot of group think joel silver suggested something akin to a large rastafarian warrior this painting that was hanging his office at the time was evoking and that gives stan winston the notion that the predator needed to be much more intimidating and fearsome the humans he was going to be doing battle against by seeing that fierce warrior in the painting as for the face though stan winston happened to be on a flight with james karen they were going to japan japan during this promotion for aliens when the director had suggested that he would like to see a monster in the film that had manuals or gills and and the light for the idea sprung with stan winston he worked with the look to put manuals on the face of this rastafarian warrior and the predators look that we all know was finally born in fact at this stage they decided to change the name of the film itself to predator from hunter to match the new look and five of the suit as for the predators blood the initial color was orange but that color was not standing out on film the way that mccain like so one of the effects team suggested that they use the contents of a glow stick combined with some jelly to give it that other worldly look mckiernan loved it now during that eight month break in production schwarzenegger had left he went to go shoot the running man and then when he returned most of the other cast had been done with their parts schwarznegger would return mostly alone to film the final thirty minute climax between himself and the hideous creature that relish the hunt of a worthy adversary kevin peter hall here portraying the predator he was going to be injected throughout the movie in pick up shots earlier and does pick up shots would not reveal the entire look of the predator until the very end and if you wanna see kevin peter hall without his predator su he does double duty in this film he plays the helicopter pilot toward the very end of the movie despite its issues in the slapdash production the effects work from this late arriving stan winston and his team would end up earning for the film its sole oscar nomination for best visual effects although it would end up losing to the science fiction comedy inner space now with the at phnom films all the rage in the nineteen eighties predator would follow in the footsteps of aliens by making the action a semi metaphor for the vietnam war experience for american soldiers who we're trying to take on this enemy who seemed to be blending into its environment to try to gain the upper hand on this squad of elite soldiers even with massive firepower in all all the skills they were getting their butts kicked because of the ability of the enemy to blend in with all that was around them in fact mckiernan had specifically wanted to get a few actors who it'd be an in the war to portray soldiers in the movie that would lend some authenticity to the story at the end of the film. If humanity is going to prevail against this enemy is by becoming in one with the environs himself he would have to ditch the high-tech weaponry to cover oneself in the mud and blended with the trees. The predator learned to do this with technology but for the last human standing he has to go back to the roots of humanity as a civilization to take down the more highly advanced predator from outer space ace when predator was finally released into theaters. It was greeted with a lukewarm critical reception. Many critics thought it was run of the mill super macho soldier in the jungle movie that somehow got mashed with a standard alien movie for the other half. They were not buying this the introduction to the film where we see an alien spaceship is an unnecessary tip off that many felt would meet the suspense down the road of just what the soldiers are getting into long before they would figure it out on their own too. Relate storytelling is not necessarily the thing that predator is most known for it really is for the personalities detention the intrigue and all of that so critics critics were not as enchanted the film would still end up attracting general audiences who felt that the entire film was set up to subvert expectations of formula formula genre it embraced the expectations and then it subverts them by changing the heroes into the victims and that all helped it's succeed in the end at the box off to the tune of about sixty million dollars in the u._s. and then it made an additional forty million dollars to add to that from other parts of the world all in a budget reported to be only fifteen million dollars so a really big hit for twentieth century fox the success of predator would end up spurring on several attempts to resuscitate the franchise without the involvement arnold schwarzenegger schwarzenegger declined to continue because they wanted to keep costs low and they were not willing to pay for the suddenly hot john mccain in to come back after after back to back hits with predator and diehard the ended up releasing in nineteen ninety a fairly unconnected sequel predator too that would star danny glover and and that put the predators into this gang ridden los angeles several years into the future it tended to miss its mark with critics and most audiences although there are a few the people who champion predator too as a worthy follow up. I'm not necessarily among them. In fact i actually think all of the rest of the predator films are not very good either so i think they got lucky. Once and the rest of us are attempts to keep their franchise going but without the genuity or the chutzpah of this first film you know this film is charged. It's known for macho. Beefcake action fans of course are going to enjoy predator the most. I do think that the cross genre nature of this excursion excursion also please the science fiction crowd as well as aficionados of horror movies. The plot feels very much like a slasher film in some respects although with better there's technical specs in the more developed premise i would not say that predator is a brilliant piece of cinema by any stretch but if you're in the mood for an exciting and intense hintz action film i think there are few that fit the bill better as bill. Duke's character of mac might say in this film. You're gonna have you some fun and i think this is a very fun very exciting dynamic action film from the nineteen eighties and that's why i'm going to give predator three and a half stars out of four three and a half stars on my skill. I do think that this is a good film and i do recommend it for anybody who loves action science fiction and horror and especially those who love all three. You're going to be ecstatic if you've never seen predator and you watch it today. It is a great action film and one of the best of the decade so three and a half stars out of four is what i give predator. Thanks thanks everyone for listening. Hope that you enjoyed this review. As far as what i'm going to be doing next week. Well predator too did come out just at the very end of the nineteen eighty s in fact into nineteen ninety so oh it's a movie so disconnected from the story of predator that i'm actually not going to cover it for the purpose of this even though it hasn't seen screenwriters and it brings back alan silvestri three i feel like it's a completely different beast altogether with exception of having predators in it so i'm going to move away from that. Since i'm doing a trilogy of films featuring commandos i figure why not go with film. That's a little bit more closely aligned with predator because of beecher's the same star as editor arnold schwarzenegger and it is called commando. I mentioned earlier and that will be the film i will be reviewing on next show so take a look at commando from nineteen eighty-five a movie that i he really did not like it. All at the time i was fourteen or fifteen or whenever it came out but over the years i've tended to shift a little bit in terms of how i feel haven't quite quite fully embraced it yet but i am looking forward to watching it for the first time in probably at least a decade so commando from nineteen thousand five on next week's episode by the way this is the hundredth episode of around the world in eighty s movies. I think everyone who has stuck with me this long. If you're somebody who's listened to all hundred now i do encourage you to reach out to me. Let me. I know that you've been here from nearly the beginning. I do encourage people to reach out to me. Let me know what you think of the show not only for telling me what you liked about the show but if there are anything you want me to incorporate into the nature of the show that you think would be entertaining to listen to. I do encourage you to reach out you all of my contact information along with all of my other reviews in any place that you want to follow me at my website. Quips dot net is where to go q. w. I p. s. t. e. r. dot net until next time. Thanks everyone for joining me on on this trip around the world in eighties movies.

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(Episode 138) "Man of Steel" Actor: Julian Richings.

Monday Morning Critic Podcast

45:58 min | 2 years ago

(Episode 138) "Man of Steel" Actor: Julian Richings.

"The says Catherine Parker from the hunting hill house. You're listening to Derrick Thomas and the Monday morning critic podcast. This is Sweeney from the cutting edge, and you are listening to Derrick Thomas and Monday morning critic podcast. Hey, this is comedian Jim Florentine and you're listening to the Monday morning critic podcast. Zone, the crimes of murder and the consular sentenced you and your fellow insurgents to three hundred cycles of some Matic reconditioning. Do you have any last words? You. You wouldn't fill your hands, but you'll Dama store blackball. Giral what's right. You're pack of fools, every last one of them. My next guest is generally humble and kind, man. He's extremely talented. The diversity is roles is unmatched. Please welcome actor, Julian ridging's Julian. How is treating you today? How is Lexa general? It's very good. Thank you. I'm enjoying myself, and I'm happy to see some as here. So I'm going to say just researching your life when I start researching it takes about two to three hours, sometimes four five, depending on somebody's life. I'm googly because that's how I start. And then I work. Okay. Way methods because I don't want people copying you. But when I when I initially Google your name, and I knew I figured out very quickly, but I'm like, I ju- later chicks, and it says, death. I'm like, oh my God. I just talked to hinders no ways, and I put together, I'm like this is ridiculous. So I'm glad to see you're alive. And well. So freaked out because like I definitely just spoke with him. So. Yeah. Yeah. Alive and well and living in on -tario and all good. Yeah. It's a character that I've actually played a few times, but it's, it's really come into its own with my performance in the show supernatural, because it just has a massive reach. And here we are in season, fifteen so, you know, if you Google me that comes up immediately, it's amazing. Because it has a following this very similar in my opinion to the walking. Dead university has a huge massive following you know, it's amazing what people animals look at you. It's hard to explain these. I don't want to call it a cult show. I would imply that it's not popular because it's super popular, but it's like you said, well, it's got a massive massive following it has a very specific demographic, that's involved. And, and it's good some. It's good in some sense of identity to it looks at it self is a community and what's been interesting for me is the evolution of the convention phenomenon and that's been very much a part of the supernatural story where conventions have kind of tagged the show, and they've become more and more popular of first. They worked against the wishes of the show produces. They didn't want everybody involved in this kind of secondary activity. But now it's become very much a part of the whole thing, and appearances by actors in these conventions are a great opportunity to kind of redefine, the, the relationship between the fan base and the actors, it's been very interesting. I'm so happy, you said that you've pretty much stole my next question I was going to say I watched you at these conventions because they're all over the place. I want you the interviews with people. You're very good to other people. And I noticed that about you what has been your take on the convincing. Personally. Why you like the convention scene is that something you like I mean as well, I started off, you know, galaxy quest the great movie gallery, west wet Alan Rickman is there. And he's I played Richard the sewed one sincere. I am this ridiculous situation. I must admit I had a bit of that. Serious. Actor I don't necessarily want to be defined by a specific role in the specific show. And so I was a little hesitant. And then I began to kind of relax into it. I did a few of these appearances and I speak for all the different shows and all the different spin offs. There are, but the one in supernatural is actually quite special because there are so many supporting axes the nucleus has been formed around a band, a couple of music couple of characters rob Benedict Richard Speight are musicians themselves and they have bands and these bands, perform the glue or provide the glue for the entire weekend with Cariocas concerts, an opportunity for fans and performance to get up and. Do a thing you know. Oh, this your dog. This, this gentleman very sensitive dog. Dear but yeah. So, so. It's been a great opportunity actually, to kind of recalibrate, my Theta skills in my one on one interactions with an audience. I I've enjoyed myself, especially this, I've got to relax into them and understand the value of it. You stole my next question is gonna say, you're, you're because I know you word again, to this, the real heart of your developing into an actor, but, you know, you have a great theater background. But I almost think it's like a fifty fifty thing here. Jillian I feel like it's it is theater for sure. But I feel like I've seen you speak to these people to conventions. It's, it's just wonderful interaction. And I almost reminds me a little bit of stand up comedy. You're gifted in that way. I feel like well I think given permission to don't forget the character. I played death. It actually gets me amazing permission. I walk on stage and I smile. And people can't believe they expect me to come on the grim reaper and to devastate, everything in my sight, and to be. Serious and introspective. So if I'm just might natural self and a make a joke. I mean, I've got the audience in the palm of my hand. So so it's such a gift to go from there. And to just just be myself. Really? And that's what a kind of learn to be, you know, it's the classic action thing where you try to actually be natural rub of them, put on graces, and eventually, you end up with something that's genuine and people can relate to. Yes. The last word being acumen genuine, because I really feel like when you're talking to people, it is coming across as genuine. They feel like it's just two people talking where I've covered conventions. I've been to many of them. Sometimes I'm not getting named specific actors, but it seems like many times it's a forced kind of I'm here I'm here because I'm paid to be here, and I'm gonna I'm just gonna kill off ten to fifteen minutes, what with you. It's like just two friends. Sharing the story it's, it's very sincere very genuine. I'm glad you said, well, I enjoy it and you have to remember. Underneath it. All I have this philosophy where really actors, I think their finest, or empty vessels. And the, you know, the available to absorb whatever's required to tell the story, so often an actor isn't honestly as fascinating and interesting as people make have. So I I'm the same where if I'm put on the spot in an interview like this conversation that we're having I sort of feel forced to, to become interesting. And unless I keep reminding myself that. No, no, no. You can just be yourself. It's. It's tricky it's there's a tendency for actors to over decorate gripe. No, I get it. I get it. And you know, if at all during any of these, if I'm wrong, please call me on it, but you're born in England for sure. And you said, is it ham said, do I have that, right? No, I have to. Versions of high troops. I don't know how somebody somewhere thinks that I was born in Hempstead, the truth is that I was born in Oxford okay in England right in the middle of the country. Gotcha. You did go to the university of Exeter. Is that correct, correct? Yes, I didn't go to the traditional drama school. I went to a university in the seventies, there was a sense of a changing time in English theatre where the old wreckage theater system was collapsing television was becoming more important, but then so was community theater and Exeter was a pioneer looking at physical theatre. Cedar practiced by UC groups house-key in Poland Asian see, it is Canadian de LA say, different different influences on and not the traditional English thing of, you know, English actors terribly. Good speaking from the throne top, you know, that sort of thing. So, so I was part of a bit of a alternate movement in English. In the seventies. And I had two weeks ago. I had eagle Schachter he was in game of thrones. He was in Ricky Gervais says new Netflix special, and I had to kind of because he really he was really sweet about promoting interview and he said, I had a natter with Derek. And I'm like, what's natter mean? It's a conference. I really like is he making up words like what's the matter in? But so I get you to go the traditional route. But what is what was your focus their did your focus help you with your acting career in the long run? Oh, absolutely prepared me, completely as an actor. But the emphasis was more sort of ultra physical impulses on being. An actor that could do a lot of things and would move intuitively with the body. So that speech came last we train physically we did a lot of yoga at the time, which was considered to be very unorthodox way training in the seventies. And we kind of we followed specific disciplines. So when we came through at the end we were well equipped to really work in any language, because the physicality made us our ticket in our bodies. And that's something that I've always maintained, I do feel that I'm physical actor, and I try to bring an entire physicality to Mike performance. And I would imagine you're theater background was huge. And before I get to that is there an I always ask this of all my actors is there, a mentor or mentors or somebody that you definitely credit for being where you are today? No, not one specific person series of influences, you know, movies that I saw when I was a kid, the influence me and inspired me figures in my childhood. Encouraged me to act because growing up in England in the sixties and seventies, there were no drama programs in school. One of the main influences actually was my older brother, who had this peculiar talent. He used to build things used to build environments, and fairgrounds and circuses. And he needed somebody to fill them. So I would be the ringmaster for him, or we would build a haunted house in our back shed the neighborhood kids coming in, and I would be the ghost, and I would do all these different things. So I and then my parents were smart enough. To realize he has a strange talent. He has to go to a youth club where they put on plays and build scenery. Everybody else wanted to be an actor. But my brother built the sets and became seem designer how in the theater, how cool is that. That is. Yeah. Yeah. And then I went to the same youth club that put on in the same place that I'd been helping him build the scenery. And then when I was older, I became an actor and then I have a younger brother that went through the same use club and became a lighting designer so so very aware of how everybody is creative. We have these urges within just if they're harnessed the right time in your life and kudos to your parents for, you know, it sounds like they were very supportive, and what you wanted to do, or even more so realizing the potential that you had. Yeah. And very lower middle-class postwar English people with without much education, but a sense of wanting to do the best for their kids. So we were very fortunate. It's always amazing to Juliette because I have this conversation a lot, and it's amazing. How many actors have parents that were unveiled much? Unlike your. Where they were like get something that's more concrete get some. I mean, just it brings to mind. I saw rocket man last week, the adversity with non supportive parents, I've actors that have the same story. So I mean it could have been a different way. If you're couldn't have actually asked that couldn't have went a different way. If your parents weren't didn't see that true potential that you had, I think I would have found some way of harnessing the need to perform a middle child. And I think I in Nate Louis amateur. I realized that I'm a different mask to different people. And I sometimes question who I am really, I think of mentioned that already in that whole sense of act has been NT vessels, an emphasized to with middle children, who I think, often turn out to be performance. I don't know. I mean, maybe I could've taken it to sport or to politics or something. But I do think that we, we find something we find some outlet or or. Most people have fortunate enough to in some way or another, and you tour with the theater company in England or in Canada. Well, I started off in England I was three or four different CEA to companies and then one of them started to tour internationally in the late seventies early eighties. We toured Chicago New York Toronto, I loved all three cities, but I struck a particular chord with Toronto felt like it was a center for an evolving cedar scene. And television of film was also beginning to mature, and there was a distinctly Canadian voice. That was separating itself from its British roots, and it's American influence just across the border. So there was a real sense that matched, my sense of exploring myself, who I was and my need to kind of find an identity. So I stayed I stayed in into. Toronto. I loved it. I loved the difference the landscape, the vast -ness of the place, but also the diversity of all the different cultures in Toronto, and then I met my wife, who's a Toronto woman, and I've been here permanently for thirty five years. Wow. While very cool. And before they get to serious on you, you're known for saying this. And I think when you say this conventions people love it. Is your love for junk food? Correct. Oh, absolutely. And that's one of the funny things that sort of coincidence, on the show supernatural where my character enjoys pizza and hotdogs, plays and stuff. So, yeah, it was perfect. I remember when when I first came to New York, everybody was eating pizza. I couldn't believe it and being English and growing up in an English feed environment. I seriously New York pizza was health food that you can see green Packers. That's great. You know, you, you mentioned that, but you in your repertoire, people don't realize is that I believe you also sing. Correct. Is am I wrong with that? You're right. Very badly. I can perform or delivering fake, but I'm really not a singer. So I'm not in my strength singing. How about teaching have you done that? Yeah. Yeah. I enjoy it too. I you know, career fluctuates in their periods of unemployment. And there are periods where you just have to throw about five plates up in the air and something's going to land during some of those times I've worked as a guest artist in schools. I really enjoy that. I particularly like working with young audiences going to see it for the first time young audiences in projects and stuff that kind of go to the thinking it's going to be very stuffy, and very inaccessible. I'd like to break down to make them feel welcome to try and enable them to understand the place and chill comfortable trying to throw a timeline on your rivaling Kanter was nine. Nineteen Eighty-four my Ray with that. I've been earlier actually, I, I came in and I went back and forth, and then I landed permanently in eighty four, so along the lines of teaching along the lines of acting, you find that it's changed a lot from two thousand nine thousand nine hundred ninety the whole process of, of landing a role of the whole career of the art of acting. Do you find it's changed a lot in the time between when you arrived in Canada, and where you are today, we in the industry has developed and evolved? I mean simple things like I can now, audition for a show in LA. I can do a self tape in my basement with my wife's on my cell phone, you know, so there's sort of an easy nece 'bout and of volume of product that is out there, I guess the challenge is to maintain the quality. I'm very aware that it's great. And it's democratic that people can just take a cab. Camera into the subway or wherever and create their own film. But there is so much out there. The challenge is to get a good script to adhere to traditional values and professionalism. I talked to a few of my guests do teach I asked him. He said, you know, those that really want it are fantastic students. But one of my guests that he noticed there's a little bit of a change. You, you have these younger actors in trying to be negative, but on their cell phones on set, they're not. I don't know. Like, if I was working with you, when I was an actor, I was up and coming, I would be asking, you questions left and right to the point where you'd have to tell me to get away from you, right? Because I always feel like there's no teacher, like experienced, you find that, that's the case or what? Yeah. I mean film sets a very different place. As is everywhere, I mean, the cellphone is invasive, so, yes, it between takes people have their cell phones that looking at messages. It is distracting, but that's the universal problem. That's not unique to film and television, we, we just an extension of that. And after we present our current world. So I don't I don't look at younger actress and goes shame on you. Shame on fellow you know, it's, it's just an people have focused in their own way, we as a coach just have to work with it and recalibrate our values. I think re- become aware of are listening are listening habits have to change our distraction has to be worked. So I mean, I'm the worst culprit, I find it very hard to sit down and read the book, there is so much information coming at me, and there is so much product out there the to actually sit and think is a very difficult thing. I think that's why I love acting actually is that it gives me an opportunity to sink myself into. A simple roadmap of emotions. Yes. Well setting you know, there's, there's over two hundred whether it's TV, or film projects in your filmography. Some of my favorites I just want to throw at you a one of the more underrated movies of all time, the red violin. What a wonderful movie that is. And what I mean it's just your open range cube. The witch Percy Jackson, the very underrated man of steel which might be one of the best superhero movies of all time, and wrong turn, which I had rob Schmidt on the show director in he he's a different cat. He's got he's got a unique way about him. Talk about that making wrong turn and just that whole horror genre in general. How do you like it? I love working with special effects. I had the kind of face. It's very angular. So I get cast as aliens or monsters, and I actually like it, you know, it goes back to me, having two brothers at a designers. I'm well aware of how. Designers and artisans connects you make an actual really good. And I really enjoyed wrong turn. It was my platoon d to STAN Winston to go down to. Yeah. Yeah. And to go down to his workshop in LA, and to, to kind of get a sense of where he was coming from. And then we shot it away from LA. We shut it in Canada. But we had some of his team come up, and we had other special effects artists, take the different carriages. I sat for four hours to get the makeup on an x two hours to get it off. This was, I guess twenty years ago when it was full on trust that ICs and the glue and old technology was a little different than little more hands on. I enjoyed it. I there's a surrender that you have to get used to. And a kind of a humility, I guess, because you have to allow those four hours in the chair to become your prep. You can't fight it. You have to say okay on in my process now and I'm beginning to transform and it's actually for me. It's a fun transformation, as long as you can get past the smell of the glue, and stickiness and all that stuff. I also had the opportunity to in cube to have full on old school, special effects where get chopped up pieces. And it was it was a great scene. And it was really more time was spent on that scene than the rest of the movie, put together because it was the, the jolt at the beginning of the movie, and it was in the old days where there was no CGI was, we had to have body, body cast, and we had to keep matching Schultz and stop and start and stop. It took forever to do the scene. But it was it was really rewarding. And I love that whole idea of the minute shy of detail. So you said four hours in the chair for wrong turn for the makeup. Was that every single day on set? Yeah. For us, put it on. And then at the end of the day two hours to take it off. Because we needed the pieces in one piece for the following day. We had two three backups but Matt's reuse them and just take them off very, very carefully. Yeah. It was it got to be a lot of skin. Obviously gets very sensitive. You know if you're shooting for three consecutive days, which we did occasionally, but the producers would trip. Try and space it out, stem Winston was one of the producers, and he knew well about special effects, and how to make them work. So he would try and planet that we would get a couple of days where we didn't have anything on. And then we come back to the chair and do a couple of days. So it worked out and it's one of those things where you look back on. It was great. At the time. Of course you think. Oh my God wins is gonna win. It's like a trip on the plane to Australia some. Right. Right. Right. How long? So how many days was that force everyday? So how many days was that? What was it for months was for it was all enough for through one month? I think the yeah. So it was quite some time, I would think you'd probably want to make the makeup artist your best friend at that point, because. There were more apt to be pretty pretty healthy, right? Yeah. And you know, we talk about the four hours in the chair. Well, that's easy because I'm passive during that. But then when I start to get active I start to move, I oversee sweats and pull some of the, the glue and stuff, I need to be maintained all the time. So I had a team of two or three people coming around and touching the and poking me and every time I try to drink something through a stroll it has an effect on the lips. You know so, so it goes so a lot of patients was learned a lot of communication that would times when the special effects guys knew it was they needed to give me some space. You know let's not touch him for the next twenty minutes. And you know, it's, it's, it's one of my favorite hormone. We've all time use a looks good. The prosthetics look good to make up looks good in the stories fantastic. So it's like it all works. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It does. It's and stab Winston had to Sterry you know where you don't overplay your monster. Just like Spielberg with jaws, ride shark. Right. You know. So, so we were there and we came in and I think he he it was his mastery of the form. No, that's well said an end. How about some of the other man of steel, you know, people say, see I'm a big believer in movies and everyone adds to everybody in that cast your part is a big part you sent up to the movie, your character does. Was that a great experience for you may was yeah. Yeah, I felt a little guilty, because grew up in England and I grew up with English. Comex non-american cummick books. So really the whole superman thing is. It's not in the bones for me. I mean, I appreciate it. I like it. So when I was cast, I would secretly, tell people that I was in superman and some of my friends would just go insane. They couldn't believe it. You know, I felt guilty because it's not one of those things where I got out by God. You'll never guess what I am. And that's who you played who you plan? I'll go I'll go. I'll come on. You don't know who you play, you know. So there's that kind of attitude, but I had a great time. I mean working with Russell. Crowe Manco, Shannon. You know, I mean what what a gift and the two very different styles. But two very strong. Presences the fun to were what whether it's your friends or children, is there a favorite that your friends always bring up. I mean supernatural aside or from black phenomenal aside. Is there a movie that people bring up to you? The people that are close to you that they love or that you're always surprising them with. It's really that's, that's their favorite that you always hear repeatedly or is it just your whole value work in general? There's a rock and roll movie. I did pump movie called hard core logo. Okay. Yeah. And it's the name of a punk band. It's a punk band reuniting in the nineties going on a disastrous tour and what they do is they come to a farm, and they meet their old guru kind of an iconic Iggy pulp kind of gut Fum type person. I play that person. And that was a fabulous experience. I really enjoyed it. I, I really identify with the punk scene music is a big part of my life. So that's a particular favorite of mine, and a lot of people, it's influenced a lot of people, a lot of bands to this, even Abend Kabila talent that's named after one of the carriages in the movies. It's and it's refreshing to see the movie hasn't dated. We actually shut it as a mockumentary before the office and before mockumentary. Is where the done saying the only preceding movie like it was spinal tap and the director started off with the premise of I want to make spinal taps nasty little brother and and indeed it was. And we submitted it to the burns film festivals. A documentary and it got accepted. And people didn't realize that it was actually a crafted, independent film. It really does the time, especially it broke all the rules. How the moving camera had a camera crew within the film itself, had all sorts of diversions and explosions within the band seems spontaneous. So it was great. I felt very proud of that. And you clearly have you have fun with the role of death and supernatural. You clearly have fun with that role. Is there a John Rowe like you enjoy? When you see the movie or you read the script is John Jeanneret. You see where it's like, you're, you're very excited about versus one that you're like, okay, I guess, or is it just? Of all about the work for you. Julie's. Everybody is all about the work on. I'm an actor I enjoy doing guide verse things like it's, it's my permission to go. Do crazy things and generally the characters, I play pretty extreme, or if not, extreme, I should say, try Maury colors, like, you know, I'll come into a series or remove the with the primary color, a knock, it off center or, or provide an energy that is taken on and maybe slightly changes the direction of the plot. So that's fun. I love doing that. I got to say that. I also the other man's grass is always greener. I would kind of like to be in the situation where I would be the provider of the story, or I would be the long distance runner who's carrying the show, you know, I rarely get to do that because I, I have this kind. Of extreme energy about me. So I must admit that if that came along, I would be very happy. I mean it does from time to time but that's you know, that, that would be an unconventional roles for me. And I would brace it. That's well said and you know, they're going to ask you is there a acting version of authors have writer's block is they're acting version of that where you're just stuck refined away. How can I be more creative in this role? How can I formulate this character? I hope this on a stupid question. It's not it's not a toll. I think we fold back on on, you know, old patterns and, and things that have been successful before. So we just replicate them and then not necessarily appropriate. This new story is, but I would say the more likely they kind of actors version of writer's. Block is just nerves and. Stagefright. And when I say, stagefright that, that can apply to being on screen to. There is a. A face required in kind of jumping into something with both your feet, generally you get used to doing it. It's like jumping out of a parachute knowing that you're going to land safely. But there were times when you just panic. And you've your nerves get on talk of you or your, your desire to please. Gets. Exaggerate to that of all proportion. And it kind of overwhelming your ability to deliver, right? And I always have many actors told me that they really appreciate those directors. That say you know what they're not. They're not always hands on hands on hands on it's your my actor make this role yours do it. Do you find more directors or like that or you find more directors are very specific about what they want? Or is it just a mixed bag and it's a mixed bag? It depends, I think generally television tends to be more detail oriented, particularly if it's a series and it's a bunch of different directors, like fifteen or eighteen show series season and you like six or seven different directions. Come in the tend to be prescriptive like to hold this particular way do this. And let's make this stunt work. Really, really well on features, generally, you'll cast in such a way that you were being trusted for your own instincts. It's a different mediums for an actor in many. Ways, and it allows you a little more freedom. But, you know, it really depends on your relationship with the director and who it is. I mean, I've had both and I of Asli we all like being left to ourselves and trusted. Steven Conrad who I've done patriot with one, wonderful entrusting. The instincts of Performa. And he writes for that the former that's, that's a wonderful thing. But there were also other directors that much more finicky about things, and it doesn't bother me, and I get, you know, we talk about the fact that you you've you've caught any continue to teach how vital is theater. Right. So every actor has their own path, how vital and I know we've talked about theater. But how vital is it? You think to somebody becoming or honing their craft of acting how vital is theater, when it's the essence of performance. You know, the energy of saying something, it's, it's my hold said it best. It's a triple action. So is action, you can form an action, an audience, even if it's two people reacts, and then there's this magic that occurs and the Performa co reacts. So what the performance does is picks up on the energy of the reaction. So an this happens in life. It happens when there are more than two people, so that a conversation is more than some of its parts, not just back and forth, while it's not just one way it, accumulates and you understand that in the theater, you understand, if you're in the show, and you're telling a story, you can feel the response of the audience, and they feel the energy, and the emotional pull of that particular performance no-one performances the same, and I it's, it's just the essence in and I think it teaches you a fundamental lesson about we. Dealing with magic and we're bottling lightning, you know. And so when you come to a technical medium, like film and television where you are determined by a lens and technical matches. You have to hit a ticket the Mark to get an effect. You must never lose sight of that fundamental relationship between two performance and the performance and the person that's fewing. That's such a good point. I got to tell you. I mean, not an actor I love, I love your work. I appreciate it. I can never do it. I see nothing. Frightening me more than theater itself because it'd be like a tight rope Walker without a net. I mean it's just it would scare that the Jesus ought just because if you do a TV show or movie there's, there's you have another take. You can put theater you're just out there, you know. Yeah. But you're training is different, too. It's like training for a marathon, you go out there and go out there and go out there. So you were Hurson you person you rehearse. So by the time you actually engage an audience, you know, well what you're doing. You're will trained you know, you lines, not going naked. I mean it's there's a buzz and you nervous. But it's actually not so bad. Sometimes I've had more of a fright on the set where just parachuted into a strange set. I've never met any of the people before and I've got like a three minute exposition about. You know, gun manufacturing or something, you know this gun works in this particular way. And if you hold it this way that will happen. You know that that's a little terrifying because you've been madly cramming. Those words the night before, and you arrive on set and you have to deliver. So you go from zero to one hundred rather than sort of more gentle Chr version, which is to rehearse over a period of time. How frustrating could it be for an actor, especially like yourself, if you have another actor that's going up on their lines or kind of continually holding things up. Is that happen a lot is that is that a part of the process? Is it normal? Yeah. It is. I mean everybody brings different game. And for different reasons. Sometimes people are nervous or have been given a directions that aren't necessarily helpful. Can generally figure it out? I mean, I'm kind of I don't know. I've been through a lot of different performances. So I'm pretty patient. And I think that's one of the qualities that you have to have rather than get up tight about somebody, somebody's different method, or somebody that's struggling, you know, you just have to figure out what's at the root of the struggle. And sometimes, if you can identify that you can actually create the magic that I was talking about earlier, you know, you can put your finger on the thing. That's what you trying to do. Well, let's help, let's try and make that moment work so that you're happy. And I'm happy and an it'll works out and one of the things, thank you so much for giving me almost forty minutes of your time. I few more questions if you don't mind, thank you so much. You know, welcome. So what you're clearly passionate. So did you say this quote, because if you did I want to expand on a little bit. You said if the materials, right, you'd work for free. Did you say that? Well, I did. Yeah. One point. I mean, yes, I. I I'm an actor. I don't have hobbies. I don't collect things. I don't build chairs in constructing a woodworker in my spare time or any of that stuff I act, and if I was a musician like an played an instrument, I would be practicing my instrument the way for an actor to improve and to maintain that craft is to act and you need other people, and you need stories to tell in order to do that. So, so I'm hungry. I'm always hungry. And if it's right, do it. I'm not in the game to be a celebrity or be famous. I'm there to work. I, I personally believe that. The status of the artist in society is very, very important, and it should be concrete, and it should be professional. And so I you know, I think it's about being good at your craft and accepting work as it comes along, and it challenges you rather than sort of being picky about well, is this going to advance my career or not? I thought it was a beautiful quote. That's why I bring it up. I just really think it's a to a much much lesser degree. That's my attitude about podcasting. Right. The, the work is it's own reward talking to people like you its own reward. I enjoy it. I love it in what you're saying makes complete sense to me. It's just really well said. So my last question to you is this. So do you ever watch a movie or a show, and I know you're not arrogant. You're very good, man. Do you ever watch show or movie and say, you know what I would have loved to have done that role or I would have that would have been great? I. Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely. I I love movies. I love stories. And I, I when I like Hinson example, French connection when I saw, Gene Hackman on the streets of New York, infringe connection it was so removed from my experience growing up in the middle of England lower middle class family. It was so exotic and fantastic. But I spent like in my mind I imagined being, gene. Hackman. You couldn't get somebody that was further from the truth. But I you know I carried that, that desire and I see move is now where I go. Wow. I'd love to have done that or or had to go being in that universe. You know, and taking it in my direction, I generally don't look movers and go, oh, I could have done a better job. That's why I didn't want it to sound well, because also that I know that everybody brings their own sing to it and it's a little terrifying. Sometimes when you're entrusted with doing a role, and you land a role and you go, I know about six people that could do this role. Well, what choices them I going to make? And you realize that your performance is going to end up for a number of reasons taking a particular shape, and it's terrifying. A little bit of arbitrary choice making going on. The introduction in the popularity of like Netflix in prime Hulu. That's a that's a good thing for not only actors for fans alike. Right. Those things give a bigger former a bigger platform for actress work. Is that how accuracy that Julian? Yeah. Absolutely. And it's an opportunity to immerse yourself in the world. Like actress to be part of an entire universe rather than oh, yield the guest lead this week's, bad guy or whatever. There's a sense with streaming that. At that inhabit a particular world. An example for me is patriot with Steve Conrad, is there's this incredible. State of mind that's been created by Steve and it's like an attitude toward life. I mean he's it's framed in a very specific story in a specific place. But it's a way of being and he's assembled a bunch of characters that work well together. So for me as an acted the joy is being a part of that world that I know is going to evolve as the show involves. And in fact, as Steve evolves as an artist. He's now working on a different show on epic's with the Shoko perpetual grace, and he's taking a lot of the components of the patriot world and putting it into the world of perpetual, grace. So you feel like you're, you're sort of given license to be part of a big a universe. That's that's fibrous. And I think the binge-watching allows us to it's the TV equivalent of reading novels. Right, right. How how? Do you go back to Oxford Ugo back England all or I do? I'm going back next week. My mum's ninety one. Yes. So she's around and got a Cup my two brothers that I've already mentioned around with their families. So I go back fair amount. Not to work so much to visit family. Yeah. It's changed. I don't go back to the old homestead that my family's evolved moved, and I go to different cities, visit them. And I'm always happy to come back here and I actually go back as a stranger now. And that's not a bad thing. But I realized that, you know seventy five years past and I have a North American family. I think differently. That's well said, is there anything you wanted to promote her out there or anything you wanted to share? I don't think so. I mean, I've got a couple of projects coming up. I've got an independent film called Stanleyville, which I'm excited about, I'm going to start filming that soon as I come back and all I can tell you is a bit of a sneak peek, but I'm going to be working on a film that deals with the early life of David Bowie of his, which should be very interesting again, going back to my ruckus role interest. That's really my only. You know, I can't thank you enough. And I wish you nothing but love happiness success for you and your family. Thank you so much Julian. You very welcome. Thank you.

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Episode 131 Gargoyles

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Episode 131 Gargoyles

"Hey Phil free. It's Tim from the moratorium just here to remind you that if you enjoy what you hear please like Shirin subscribe, then rinse and repeat we're just a couple of small town nerds trying to make sweet geek love to your ear holes and we can use your support. Check out our website for movie reviews, links to social media, merch movies, and more. You can find us at the moratorium dot Com. Now, that's out of the way on with the Shenanigans. Welcome to the moratorium I'm your host Tim Cornerman. Each week I will be joined by some esteemed and I use that term loosely movie watchers and breaking down some of the weirdest strangest films to ever not necessarily grace the big screen. These are the deep dive auditees backroom bootlegs that appeal only to the die hard film fans. So sit back and enjoy the ride into the dark vault of the movie moratorium. S. I've listened to just my tracking now it's just me. Responding to questions that no one is asking weird. Really. Weird. Ed. It's like better some yeah. I understood. Better. I understood the movie better. That's it. I tried to talk about everything but the movie yeah. That's should be the name of our podcast everything but the movie. Yeah. Dame sometimes. Sometimes. It's you know we get off track a little Yeah. I think we're getting better though about the like talking over each other thing I feel like I do it a lot and. I'm really trying to just sometimes you know you just got Scott Shut your gap for a little while. But you know then crims the creative editing. Each Other. Is Are. You don't do much editing. It's very much. What we say is what's put out there in the world that would be incredible. Somewhere. There's just little deleted chunks of me going Making noises because I can't seem to. Not Make noises. I wonder if I compare him back to back as many times as we say just to see how long while. would. It would go for days. Yeah. It would end and madness. As. Every one of our podcasts seems to do guess true especially the ones that stretch on for a while I'd like to think that we're getting smarter but really I think you pointed out the other day that Yeah you know we're pushing out the good information and low Yap shit like. Who the fuck is Jim Connell you know, right If we ever get on jeopardy and there is A. You Know Alan Fudge category than we can just all take fudge for five hundred and yet. I love a five hundred. That's his memoir I am the fudge. Alan please guide us. Like our patron saint. Can we get him at a medallion I could wear it around my neck and remember kids he your fudge. So. Much. But we need something to protect ourselves from these pesky frigging. GARGOYLES YEP They're spawns of Satan I think I found out today. I didn't really do a lot of research when I walked this the first time in the I guess I just realized that it's actually there in the Old Testament and I mean, it actually does say Gargoyles I think But maybe we should just get into it and what do you say? Yeah, we'll. We'll. We'll uncover things as we go. All right. Well, welcome to the moratorium. Yeah. Welcome. Your host Tim Mun. And with me as always is my cost August co-host. ME. Jason Walker. Feel. Like one of these days we're GONNA nail that opening but NOPE, not today. nope. Not Today my friend. I create edit so it makes it sound even worse. I'm Oh. Cool. I can just crunch it altogether. So it's like we're both saying the same thing with Dr Different voices, but at the exact same time harmonising is that what she did Manila. May May. I. Might be talking like this for the rest of the pied gas. Nick Nolte you know there's a ton of distortion when the GARGOYLES speak yes. It's probably going to have to stop and talk about that for a while not what I remember them sounding like so much. I mean. Now that I know you know kind of like what type of technology they were using to give them their voices but I, did not remember them sounding like. How would you even I don't know how to describe it. It's almost like a sci fi it sounds like something from doctor who it's like somebody was speaking through r two D two's asshole. Yes exactly using R. Two D. Two as like a gravity bong or something in the were just like a talk. They kind of sound like doll lex a little bit if you really. Okay it's like, okay guys. We have this one effect that we can do and we're just GONNA. That's what we're going to stick with. That's it which seventy, two I mean. I don't think I realized how old this movie, right? This was the year I was born. I would like to think that I hold up better than this movie but like to. Light the thing that. I don't even know how we would go about scoring you on. We're going to have to at the very sophisticated test to see if. That so that's what we're. GonNa. Do. Where you and I are going to put a kind of test together. That will see if you or the nineteen seventy two TV movie gargoyles. Which of the two has aged better right. So the rubber suits they're wearing is. Very Similar to the skin I have on my body so I mean lathering A. Thick leathery kind of bunches up two points Yeah It almost doesn't have a lot I mean. Read it. To. ME. This is for my dvd after receiving word about mysterious skeleton unearthed in the Arizona Desert. A father and his daughter visit the man who has it and grabbed the skull as they escape shack, the Gargoyles have attacked. This is the most complicated. That was all. I guess that kind of explains it. Okay. So as they escape once they do. So they as well as the town are besieged by colony of gargoyles living in some nearby caverns, the town that's a loose I think is the town I mean there are four things in this town. willies frigging little Curio shop alkyl Willett Museum. Oh. God. I think it's funny that guy that plays Willie Woody Chambliss. Yeah. His name is woody in like the character name is woody in like a bunch of these. You know because he was an amount of like westerns. Nets Willie for this. I quite she just call him uncle woody. I don't know how would have caused so much confused their source material is named Willy and they just didn't want is such a beloved character that they didn't want to change. It just seems like it's only a couple of letters off and it probably would have helped him because he doesn't seem well in this moving. Dow, I was just reading in the Trivia here just a little bit ago that. Woody Chambliss Uncle Willie he's two years younger than corn wildness. Wow. Because he looks like he could be a wildest father probably. Yes. His the dictionary definition of grizzled. So father daughter taken off to the desert to just kind of poke around the opening scene. What is he picking her up at the airport or something? Yeah. I. Guess she has like a personal jet. No. Maybe, we should just start from the very beginning because the all the stuff you know the narration of the beginning. Kind of explaining what gargoyles are I I, guess they're explaining what Gargoyles are. Gargoyles are fictional creatures. Well they were. A minute so you're saying that. was once the most. Of playing it right in the middle of it but anyway, that narration it does set you up. And it looks really cool. I. Mean I love these. There's nothing more like seventy s than this kind of introduction but he's saying basically that everybody knows we have gargoyles and it was just a matter of time before they started attacking that I listened to that right? Sure. Sure and who was it? That had the opening I I saw earlier. and. It was like is somebody I'm sure it somebody maybe it's John Larroquette again. That would be awesome. Got So. Lost already. So this aired on TV in like November, of Nineteen seventy-two. Halloween movie it wasn't I talked to todd about a friend of ours todd briefly about it because I remember watching it as a kid on TV and you know it came out a few years before I was born. So I was like, when would I have been in? Was Old enough to enjoy you know you know Kinda racking my brain trying. To think of these like 'cause I knew it had to be on like an old like creature feature late at night or or Sunday afternoon when they used to play like Godzilla movies and stuff and todd says, no, I, know exactly what I saw it was from I. saw it on the plenty scary movie on channel as that it was on ABC. So, go that and just listened to the opening music and stuff when I was a I was like Oh. Yeah that that's exactly where I heard or for I watched the first time awesome and remember being freaked out and at the same time just like loving it you know the only thing I really remember from my childhood from this film is the gargoyles being hit by what I thought was their car but noah was a semi I thought the exact same thing I thought they hit it but no, he's just like road kill. He's not paying attention to the now. Do they explain that why is he just out was? He'd going for a jog or something. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was. Associates Vic Perrin was he the Vic Perrin? I think he's the narrator and Vic Perrin actually played a voice of A. Yeah while he's in there just. But he did all sorts of voices for all of our cartoons back in the day I mean he? Yeah he has a very distinctive voice. We're talking Scooby Doo Dragnet Superman, aquaman our. Oh right space ghost. This has to be all voice work, but it says he was in watchmen mission impossible. Oh, I see. Yeah. Watchmen was for the soundtrack I see and mission impossible is the TV show from sixty six I've got a little confusing he died in eighty nine so. But we probably heard his voice I don't know a billion times. That's crazy. So very interesting we'll have to look at him some more. Let's let our audience know that you can watch this for free on. I'm actually on shout factory tv.com. As exactly where I saw Tim McKay and they have all the all the a lot of the old MST's if you just suck up on over to get done with this. So I, love this fond. Yeah. The gargoyles falling gooey drippy font. Like slime kind of. Dig. Equal. Is the epitome of like seventies movie like Cornell Wilde Shirt I would kill for his like it looks uncomfortable actually to be like walking around in the desert, but it was the seventies everything was made out of polyester and what other flammable materials people wanted to. Basically, guys back then were just a Molotov cocktail that hadn't been lit yet. How close would go right up the stuff in their hair aftershave like high karate. And they all smoked. That's probably where like spontaneous combustion occurs just like a gold watch and a medallion and a pool of Greece. Oh, I was just looking at Grayson home she plays Mrs Parks. Yeah, she was only in her fifties when she was initiatives can looks a little bit older, Lisi. It was her idea to have a glass in her hand in through every. She's like, can I just bring this into the shot with 'cause? I'm not quite done with it. That's what. Everybody's drunk, we don't care. Because there is a scene later where she goes into the sheriff's Office opens up his desk steals a bottle of his booze to refill her glass. That is amazing WANNA. Live in this town. Seems like there's some just crazy shit going on. So let's get into a little bit We're at the Airport Cornell Wilde picking up his daughter Right Cornell Wilde and his daughter basically the two main characters. That's Jennifer Saul. She wears everything mid drift which you know. A fine. Would just happy that Cornell Wilde is not wearing the same. Thing. He shows up in the top from like the girl from Texas chainsaw massacre. SEE WHOLE BACK All of his malls. She brings him I. Guess I don't know where she brought it from. Him, a statue of a demon. And he what's the name of it? I. Had it earlier? Or something that sounds right. Yeah I think it's hang on a second Kalomo Dri. There we go. He's like, Hey, you brought Kalomo Dri. been looking for him. We've been waiting the party. I see you turned him into Bong. That would be awesome. He likes the head off of it and it was just a long. Like it had liquor under something. They're getting the car and he says Kalomo Dri will just about complete my collection of demons he's collecting Damon's he's got a demon collection yeah. I guess in the seventies you could have a demon collection. He's an author he wrote a book the basically talking about how demons were not real. Well, he's getting ready to find out that there are some demons and they're going to talk to him in a bizarre Li a formal manner through a kids like Synthesizer Old Senate? And maybe signed him up for the trial lamb Come you're waiting for it is that the only thing that you can think of that Bernie Casey in Bernie Casey is the main gargoyles and he I assume they picked him because he's like six foot four or something yeah, he is. He is six foot four. Let's just make this Gargle as big and imposing as we can. But he's like it is very strange thinking that he is under all that makeup like really Bernie Casey. You're right though I started thinking about it and I was trying to think of the thing that I would know him from. The. Most yeah and I think it's just in the mouth of madness and he's only in it for like five minutes until the crazy guy comes through the window nosy and it would have been revenge of the nerds all the way for me I will. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yes. Of course, have closed revenge of the NERDS. So Gargoyles Bill Norton directed it kind of looked at him his stuff for a little bit nothing too exciting except he's down as the writer for convoy. Yes. You knew I was going to bring this up. Yes I was hoping you were GonNa Bring it out I love that movie. he didn't direct it but he he wrote it and I had to look at convoy. We're going to look at it here in just a minute to. A lot more talk about Oh, about convoy maybe not necessarily okay by itself again, because this could easily turn into a convoy podcast and I've just slide right into. The lateral move. Yeah. Maybe not even maybe a kind of step down but still needs to be discussed. He also directed baby the secret of the lost legend my God. Yeah, I saw this at the theater. Wow Rag. I saw it on a endless loop on HBO in the. Couple of summers after it came out and I was like, this is crap. Crap and it's crap now. So he did a more American graffiti. I've actually seen that obviously didn't really go over you look at his credits and there's a lot TV? Men Anyway I wanted to bring up I just wanted to bring up convoy because we're going to circle back around to that here in just don't WanNa talk about Cisco Pike. James Taylor allowed gene Hackman's in that. Show Harried hdfs is in this Cisco Pike? A down on his luck former drug dealer is forced by corrupt LAPD policemen to sell one hundred kilos of confiscated marijuana and one weekend. Cisco Pike. starring. Kris Kristofferson. Karen, black and Gene Hackman. Some good people. No Howard Hessman doctor Johnny fever and a girl by the name of Aviv s just her name Viva and she plays Myrna. Oh. She looks like a Myrna. Not to be them, she's definitely a Myrna. That means ahead of wall with that one with Myrna. That first scene where they go to Willie's place. Is Pretty Cool Bow. Yes. Actually. That jumps really quickly into the acts. Yeah. That's true. It doesn't mess around. Did we talk anything about Stan Winston Nugget like his one of his first projects yen take that over real quick I will because I'm looking at it right now they actually won an academy award for Onum sorry as a primetime emmy because it's a TV movie. they want an emmy for makeup outstanding achievement in makeup del Armstrong, Ellis Berman. Junior and Stan wins. That's pretty awesome Yup and that's you know what stuck with me probably the most is how good the I mean. You know it's low budget, but the makeup, the Garg oil makeup is. Pretty terrifying. You know. Which is, what makes it so cool when you will get to when they actually talk it's a weird juxtaposition. I just stumbled across a bit of Trivia here that I didn't realize. Here. Says, Bernie. Casey's voice was replaced by Vic Perrin's voice and post production Because his natural speaking voice didn't fit the character of ahead gargoyles you like we said the voice is manipulated so much. I can't really tell who it is, but it is very creepy. I think you know because you see these thing. Well, let's we'll talk about that a little later on when we get to the actual Gargoyles, the titular gargoyles we can talk about it. Let's get moving just a little bit too. So's we called this'll statute that he had the Callum Odra column. Whatever Hey, you brought it up I couldn't find where read but it said that that demon is not listed always not an official demon as an actual demon right I guess he's still waiting on his papers so. If we could start a go fund me page for the Kalam Dra. His. Baseball card isn't worth hardly. Any right even with his signature right has he's not a real demon. it seems like they could have pulled maybe the maybe they didn't want to. You know how they didn't WanNa, give any real information case kids like picked it up and started like speaking in tongues and shit. I mean the statute that she hands him looks like something you would find in like Spencer's or like a head shop or something. It's not very, it's not like an ancient relic. and. They don't give us a good close look at it is the reason for their little adventure because willy had gotten a hold of Cornell wild somehow I think. So I think we have a small conversation when we meet Willy and we talk with him. That he was kind of plugging his own story and Kinda wanted coronel. Backing up yeah. To write a book for him that's what I think. That's what he was selling. I say. Well I there's one line of dialogue that has like you know. Well, that's why I brought you out here. You know like just something in passing, but was he already in the area doing research? I don't know. I don't know I'm still on their car right over to willies and. They're talking about demon -nology and what he you know this book that he's going to write about five thousand years, of Demon, -nology, that'd be the ultimate coffee table book you know I would love to have that bullies book five, thousand years deem analogy will trace a man's conception of evil through the ages does he say more monsters more fun and profit? Yeah. More monsters founding. Prophet. Something colorful inexpensive for copy tables of American, more monsters for fun and profit as a way better name for the Book Than Five Thousand Years at the knowledge. Kinda Punch it up a little bit. Really sell it guys. It's like a self help demon. -nology book. So they're trying to find Willie. Some willies contacted them about something that he found. Yes he just happens to have. A curio shop in the middle of nowhere. That's like you know come. See the two headed snake take a look at my lizard collection. Come back into the back room and pay a dollar to be unnecessarily fondled on new. You're GONNA say fondled. I think there's somebody in the back of their station wagon Oh man I just saw it. His head under a blanket it's. Earth's the sound guy. Like that, it's the sound guy I can see his head under a little blanket I was GonNa let it slide but since you brought it up. Or they've got a kid back there. That's just like playing one of those old electronic games and they just never mentioned him. Dies in a hot car while they're being were fighting gargoyles. She's like I did billy come with you. God callum Ooh Dri the end of something to sacrifice. Yeah. So, there's a lot of wide open shots you know of them driving down the highway they're not wasting any time. Really they're jumping right into exposition. I wrote this down as exposition highway. Yeah. Get. The whole Spiel Dad, are you lost? No, I'm not lost I just made a wrong turn way back. Then you're lost Nia that's the definition. Also, there's just one dirt road. How did you off? I dig this when they're in the car though when they're stopped and make three point in writing. To make a u-turn this the shadow that goes over the. Creepy of course, they're not really looking they're just like a shadow. I'M NOT GONNA look up into the sky is literally nothing around us for miles. What they know made that is some kid flying a kite in the desert. But then they're just like well. The small cloud that looked like a gargoyles Passover I read in the Tribune on aimed e be this whole movie was filmed with one camera. I. Believe it. At that guy in the backseat. Like please, don't drop the camera only one we have. The two headed mystery Lizard. See the snake den Uncle Willie's desert museum sent. That says cold drinks of it says something before that there was cold there was cold beer and he makes a comment of Heller something stop here for anyway here's just another building not by the septic tank that just says snakes. Man No doors on it so It's Already worried. Three Indian blankets for sale out curios is what it says isn't that a song now? Not GonNA sing it. Yeah it was a song. Yes. See that he's got just a building this as snakes. Stapled a cowhide to his ceiling in the kitchen. We talked about this the other day though talking about the movie Resurrection I. Oh yes. She hasn't healing touch thing but yeah, at the end she kinda runs the a place like this. See the two headed snake Oh really. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. That's a weird ending. I never want to see that movie again. No. Okay. Willie just handed them a couple of just warm coors here. This'll really wet your whistle and she gets startled by this rattlesnake that's in the cage. Yeah. For the next two minutes during their talk tapping on. vk right. I don't think you really want to do that. Now she seems dumb like she's not going to arrive arrival. She's just the type of girl that would be kidnapped by GARGOYLES. It's so weird that in this I mean, she's like a grown woman in this movie not teenager, but it's just weird like hanging out with your dad and like bell bottoms and just like a tiny bikini, top? Yep. Weird erm I just it kind of bothered me to. Willy doesn't seem to mind. nope. You know I'm younger than your dad back. Take you back to the back and show you one of my bones? Hey, hey, don't go away. Did I mention bones? No wild as the best line ever and I don't know if I would have. Voted caught it except for the closed captioning but. Right when they walk into this shack I, guess the gargoyles shack a says smells like old bones yes. WanNa. What do you mean? What do you old bones smell like i? Don't think they have a particular smell do they I will have to consult my own? But Willie is like, yes. Finally I've found someone who is on my. You, know just bone smeller he goes to show them his gargoyles. He'd get a wing Gargoyles made up in the shed, right? That's that he's piece together then he say that it took. Quite a while to put it together. You know that he found these bones and he put them back together right? He found them. I think he said he's been working for a while to put them all back together. But the gargoyles chose this night to try to break into cry Maine's yeah. That is weird. That is really the basis of this entire setup is that the gargoyles were just trying to keep a secret that they actually existed so they were trying to retrieve. said. Bones right. which sort of makes sense. But what's weird is like Are they're two types of gargoyles well I. Think they said that they were breeders. Okay. So there Are the breeders, the winged ones I don't know. Okay and the rest are just like worker Gargoyles I guess. because. Then Bernie Casey straight up looks like. A man kind of. Like a longer nose in bigger team but the Goethe and you know what I mean I mean like if he had come out in like a leisure suit or something, and then he talked very like polite and like human to maybe he's just evolved. You know he's the first one of his kind or something. I think he points to one of the other. Gargo. Like speak. So they all have the capability use your big words. He's all about integration. He wants to become a US citizen. I assume. So but Cornell Wilde not buying this this gargoyles bones skeleton bullshit. Yeah. Pretty good work old man but those are human bones and you're a serial killer in the cops. Obviously, bones from your victims is this where Dr Forrester got the idea to. So a pig's head onto a fish mating. It's possible. Willie really pours on the kind of exposition stuff to kind of like boggy creek. He's got those bones in their apparently the gargoyles just. So earlier at seems like maybe burning case, he was kind of already checking out Diana from afar yet maybe that he's just following her. you know wants a mate like you said he's trying to integrate. Yeah. That's the fastest way to get his citizenship is to marry into yet exact can have one of those kinds of arranged fake marriages so he can get US citizenship. That would be a good plot better than what we have here. I think. So just have a montage of him like she's writing stuff on the chart board like the. Battle of Illinois you know I think that would work when he gets her into the cave, the Kaverner, their vendor home, and Asir to read to him. Right. You know he binds the sound of her voice. Pleasing. Yes and the Bikini doesn't hurt either tell me tell me more about Archie and Veronica So, willy is laying it on thick his smell o old bones is not the only smell and. I, guess we are to assume that they've been hanging out with it was broad daylight when they walked back to this other. Shed or whatever. And they've been here listening to his story for our. Wars in a hot ass shed drinking warm beer, and just listening to the ravings of a madman. Actually. Sounds like a Saturday, night at sounds fun. Now set out now that I've pieced together and said it out loud and he's also got a fucking Rad Monster Skeleton Yeah Yeah, never mind this is all I ever wanted. He's like I. Got a necker number gone to if you WANNA see that. That is cool. You know thinking that like you know just a roadside attraction thing has an actual like. Monster in it besides will. The true, monsters now, willy. has become kind of furtive and. He slowly walks over into spits a big old bar on the on the door. So that means that this has happened before they have come for the skeleton before it's like boggy creek where they have the little creature and you know the mom or whatever keeps coming by and just like scaring the shit out of everybody you brought it upon yourself. Yeah. Exactly. He also says some names there's some Indian names that are really hard to pronounce. Neck Neck Ataka keep. Show. is so hard. It is actually in this very lengthy blog on the last drive in I, read it like six times and still couldn't. He says noneya Tana to much I don't know which I think they were talking about either Hopi, Indian any. But it spelled no cit I see H. I. N. C. O.. S.. Which I read was something liking Greek or mythology that just meant gargoyles. Something like that. Yeah okay, so they're listening or the to record him. and. The gargoyles start attacking the shed. Willie is. Bombed on the head by A. Shelf and set on fire in almost instant. Yes. Like this shit it almost like the gargoyles didn't do it. You know. Everything was just a ticking time bomb like that shelf it was barely taped up. Like the whole shed was just held together with a few. Blake, strategic bones, and if you mess with them the whole, the whole thing comes down of that. Made me laugh though it kind of looks like Willy What's his name? Would he would he? Really, does look like the actor and you know it's all like foam and stuff, but he really gets clobbered and then it's like gallons of kerosene. There's. Whiskey barrel wooden barrels say kerosene on it. Yes. Is Basically A. Living on a ticking time, bomb was bound to blow at any time. So he goes to basically grab the skull He's trying to save his artifact right even with him getting bogged on the head. Yeah, and a lantern falls and catches on fire are good. Doctor does nothing really to save him? No uses two by four to scrape that skull over to me exactly leave in this five hours or five minutes ago his foot is touching your foot and you're not even a tribal like role playing. Something I'm not even GonNa Piss on him Yeah I've got a quick question. Okay. I. Just saw this. It's at seventeen thirty eight where Jennifer salt and Cornell they're running out of the shack that's on fire. It looks like somebody is thrown a dead bird, her they live chick. Okay. Somebody threw a live chicken and her and the close captioning I'm almost there. Say. It. Yes. I think it is. In brackets chicken cluck. The, close captioning in this has saved my life and is really funny chickens walking is what it says. So, and then she runs around back into the shed that's on fire. If I mean if it had been to her, she would burn the death because he's scared of chicken cornell has to turn around. Point towards the. Yeah that shed goes up like Freakin. Waco. Like it instantly engulfed in flame. was there a like key grip off to the side is throwing chickens at Diane I think. So I think so Diana Weird. Choice. Is Very kind of like a little evil dead is sure they were recording Willie was he saying that there was a ceremony that would turn a man into a gargoyles or something I missed the law that? You might have to go back and I surely there's not just goes nowhere but I I think you're onto something that'd be cool like the end of the Howling Diana would just like turn into Gargoyles to somehow. That would be awesome. Painter Green and leave that red top that she has. And Belva? Art So the shack is on fire Williams died they have no remorse. So we don't know that Willie might still be alive they never checked. Never Shack. Although. The spilled whisky on his pants and his beard. That's what made him so flammable basically. Just kindling. So Willy had a good life I thank sure. But if you really if you look at him when he's trying to explain when he's doing his exposition, you look at his face and he's two years younger. And Cornell Wilde that is A. I guess that's just the difference between a demon Allah Gist and day A. Roadside. Curios own, Museum Cure Habur. Has Long career as a curio however. So they don't really seem too concerned when they're driving away. It's like Kinda easy. Shit happens. All. Of that can be explained. That was nothing it was wolves. Remember that old guy. But they play this audio tape back several times while somebody shaking the car off to the. Work the smoke machine. When you see the the Gargoyles I, love the steam or yes. Smoke coming out of the back of the car. Yes. It's kind of a red light. Beckett. But when the gargoyles comes up on top of the car, it can't it's reminiscent of like Halloween, right? Yeah. My Car and lost boys to that's that's kind of the same lighting. So the drive with him on the top and he's basically going we. Allow stuff there. And, Cornell Wilde is just jerking that car back and I. Love His fake driving in that sane and even Jennifer salt like lacquer head dips towards the. She's like really selling. Yes. Slapping. Her head against the window. Have some fun. So, here's another. Another gas station I don't they haven't had a real good track record with flammable stuff. So. Yeah maybe you should wait until somebody pumps the gas for you. Yes. So the gargoyles gets thrown from the hood of the car. And they just go off to a gas station and one of the only a few standing structures. In entire movie they just burnt down one of them, right? There in like death valley or something and. Still don't seem very concerned about what's going on no. No they play off what happened to the car. A can you fix this? It looks like somebody Claude, the hood of the this is deep gouges. The guy's like, yeah, it's midnight. Sure. I'll get the work on your. Hug Get your hoop. Up. Good. Hey, where where are you in the film? They got to the hotel. You get to see the creepy what's her name? What's The lady that wanted to drink and everything? Her name is Grayson Hall. Yeah. She play Mrs, Parks. So she is the the maybe the owner, the proprietor this. Hotel and what she's immediately just Oh, you wouldn't believe what I've seen up here I went you stay for a nightcap. Stay for a nightcap. Okay He. They, get a hotel room from her apparently. And I I mean that's the seventies but Jennifer salt cannot be bothered with a brawl no raw other listen tired of him. But again, it's the seventies. So they're like so tired that they can't get a hold of the police that night. So they just sleep it off and I guess they're going back to Willie's with the police. To find. Billions still smoldering body I. Do love this she sleeping by the way and he keeps playing that. Tape over and over. Yeah. She awakes from her slumber. Own Screaming. At tape of cannot be good for you. She did not reach the Rem sleep with that but he didn't say that it was noon. She was still asleep he's. Ready to go in it's noon you haven't gone to the cops yeah. Again he could. He could still be alive. Willie is just less important than anything Willie, basically sacrificed his life. So the guy could write a book. Yes with his. Daughter and. This scene with the the not even a gang. It's just a bunch of guys riding dirt bikes in the desert. Yeah. Why does the sheriff like immediately jumped out in his deputy has shotgun on yes. Oh, they are ready to kill them. Yes this is. So trigger-happy Maybe. There's back story on this. I'm sure they're roving gang of dirt bikers if you're in the seventies and your Anna town like this this. Phenomenon will occur naturally, there will be a cracker shariff and a young punk for him to chase It's like a requisite thing and all a small towns I think you know you think. Maybe, they just needed a fill some time. Because when they start chasing down Scott Glen and the other motorcyclists yeah. That eats up a few minutes. Oh my second dukes of Hazzard same basically, and it almost looks like they may have sped it up a little bit. Yeah. I was I noticed that too also that's the sheriff driving that giant car deputy still got his shotgun when he pulls out to chase. The bikers he. Hits Diana she had to move back. He almost clips cornell grabs her by the shoulder. Thank God because she for sure would have broken both of her legs taken out both kneecaps Yay. This chase is kind of fun. Yeah you know. Yeah. It goes on for quite some time and he probably would have shot at him before now. Exactly. But I think they're given a chance to setup Have you mentioned that Scott Glen. The Guy. In Blue Scott Glen, there's only a few lines from other of the so-called gang by one of them is a stuntman course. Yes. Who is also a gargoyles? Right Yes. I. Feel like a lot of people on this head like double roles. You Know Oh. Yeah. Jennifer. Can you please hold this boom mic out of frame? Yes. Clothes. I mean the sheriff's basically like we'll hell if you guys weren't around, we would have executed him already. You're saying they didn't do anything against the law. Different. Strokes for different folks I get when the the friend purposefully runs into Scotland and knocks. He does so I don't even know what they take him. They take him in for being vagrants for looting wearing too much denim. Yet. I think I read I. Think Scott Glen was in his thirties in this is this is first movie or as I. Really. But he is wearing a Canadian Tuxedo. He's got a denim jacket denim pants denim shirt then everything. What did I say? Canadian? Yes, that's very odd what I meant to say okay. Good. The scene where the gargoyles like bust into their motel room yes. which their motel rooms like a whole like floor of a house or something it has a couple of big spaces. Yeah. So one gargoyles like in the bathroom like trying to make up and shit. Looking for the skull right I guess but also Mommy's not there. So they're going to try lipstick on and stuff. Cornell is wearing like Aladdin pants like kind of these like flow e like. Looks like the bottoms are just a jeans pants. One gargoyles shuts the bathroom door just to make it explode from the inside. Is already open is causing much damage as he could. There's like three or four of the gargoyles that are just coming to ravaged their bedroom still the skull, right? Right. Why is every action scene for the Gargoyles? Yeah. We sped up the car chases I was thinking about that too and if it was in regular. At regular speed, I mean I think the slow motion does make it slightly crappier maybe their makeup alone it's not like terrifying right And these guys the whoever they look kind of like the drones they just have like beaks. You. Know they kind of look like the sleep stacks in Jalis Same exact thing. Wonder. If that's the same costume makes us repurposes yet thought if they didn't slow it down decreases in the folds in the rubber costume might be more apparent or something. Cornell chases the gargoyles off in one of them. Crossing the streak is hit by a semi. It's almost like a he throws himself in front of a semi at it. Looked very avoidable. Did but the semi driver didn't stop either he's well. Yeah. Not another Goddamn Damn car while. You'RE GONNA. Say the. Same thing. But this is where we can actually get a good view because a good view. Cornell's. Upper Body. He wants to tend to the gargoyles but the doesn't want to touch it at the same time. Yeah. That's how you get Salmonella but that you can see the make up in the face and the is seemed kind of glow behind the makeup. That's pretty Goddamn call does this. Yeah. When he's like kind of tending to the almost dead when it does look cool. and. So many times where you like see the actors are teeth like underneath the custodian even that didn't look bad. So do you think they had those like back then they were just those completely blind contact lenses. That's why I got hit by the car is that what you're saying I mean What if they? What if that wasn't actually in the movie? Actor actually wandered out into the highway and got it. Well, you know. He would want us to keep the footage. I would say I. Dead I feel like in the seventies, there were a lot of like onset deaths that they're just like He knew the risks. That's right. So Now I can't Grayson her name's Grayson. Grayson Hall she looks like She's ready to party. She's been running this hotel slash brothel for years now, right? Being the only poker in the brothel I wouldn't go stuff I wouldn't call her a hooker. Hooker floozy. And maybe boozy floozie Boozy floozy there you go the ad but she does always have that like jelly jar full of wine or whatever that is that's awesome. Jennifer Salts, kind of she like Kinda Horny for. Scott Glen. So she's become kind of a you know social justice person she's like arguing for the yeah they kinda blocked is a little bit will also she is wearing an even more she you're an Top. Right but she all she has an overshirt. Yeah that she loses pretty quickly yet. Come on guys but this was TV. This was seventies team. Yeah. That's true. This is actually pretty risque. I think for seventy two having her run around like that. Yeah. For Seventy two TV anyway, right. This is like such a circular like they go back to the hotel and basically the same scene happens again. Yes. They've got the dead one on the bed and his buddies come to kind bust now. Yes, and they're basically like in a little Congo line by the front door and also all the other Gargoyles I just noticed kind of have different makeup. It's almost like they had a limited amount of time to make these cost so. I think I read this whole thing was filmed in like eighteen days yeah. Right. Didn't isn't there some bit of Trivia be that someone backed out of it because they thought maybe like the first director something backed up I did read something like that. Yeah. Because whoever's producing it was like, okay get this this and this, and it's got to be done like next week. Bill Norton, was a replacement for a previous director who turned down the project because he thought it was impossible to shoot the film and eighteen days apparently not when you just have the same scene happening over again. There is some pretty cool. I mean the way Willie's place blew up as I mean I guess setting the building on fire is like no big deal but that look Kinda conical didn't they burn down the hotel at the end of the movie Yes I think. So we'll talk about that soon to. Jennifer salt goes to the sheriff's department basically to try to get help because the gargoyles broken in. Yeah. Okay. So and Scott Glen just happened to be there. She's like you still have these guys locked up and they can't get a hold of the sheriff because he's already gone went home to drink can scream at his wife. Yeah. So she goes back to the hotel. The gargoyles are just out there when cornell wilde grabs her and spitzer, inside they locked themselves in the little hotel room, he puts a four pound TV trae front of the door and tiny little like Balsa wood share. And it basically just fucking explodes when the Snot Man Hits at one. Good Job Dad Dad. Are you doing the on purpose you want me to go with them. Don't you you want me to get abducted by the Gargoyles don't you? Why you bought all these flimsy little band of top swarm. Okay I'm getting a closer look at the other like type of suit. began it looks Kinda cool. They definitely don't look like. But they kind of look like horny toads remember horny toads with or yes. I saw that one's face I thought about that. Yeah. Yeah. They're in the car. Yeah. Gargoyles rips the door off the car. They take her away and I'm basically just kind of backhands, Cornell. Yeah, he gets a pimp slap. He's instantly out and turning this car over on its hood that had to be that thing probably ways fucking two thousand giant station wagon. It was cool. I think I remembered this as a kid to They really shows like the sheer power of the Gargoyles it was Kinda, believable in seventy. S When you get the first view of Bernie Casey up wrote his wings. and. He looks bad ass because he just kinda reveals himself and he by far has the bellies like costume. You know he does look like a devil he's big devil horns and the wings are very cool. They don't start at a shoulders they sort of start in the middle of his back. And they look really bad ass and that little slow motion scene where she's on the ground in he kind of quickly in slow motion somehow kind of just. Covers over jumps down and like others over her that was pretty damn cool. I thought looked pretty fucking cool and he starts touching her hair and checking her out. He definitely wants to take the top. Literally is held together by he swipes at the tie in the front. Yeah. But no boobs because this is TV movie, we're going to show you something but glad that a MS parks didn't have an excellent or anything. Oh, my God, she does break into the sheriff's desk-drawer. She's just like I'll have some of this. He's like this is the third report today and it's all bullshit us come and drink my booze. That's my share booze too. But the Gargoyles have been running all night to get her back to the cave eight Bernie Casey has. Well and they also want their they also want their brother I assume. But they've been running all night and it's they don't get to the cave until morning the sun is up. Yeah. He has been carrying this hundred and twelve pound girl Vermeil? Time and space in this movie are questionable. You never know how far the hotel is away from their cave and how far the jail is away from the hotel don't ever show you any, but they don't hesitate really to show you the Gargoyles in light they they wanted to show off this makeup. and. One right when they're going in, you know you see that kind of matronly. Gargoyles you know it kind of turns around and heads towards the cave and basically looks like it has a like a saggy diaper. Casiraghi. Diaper. Leaked They couldn't figure out butts. You know how to make like a monster, but how to make a monster but as your new coffee table, right? Coffee Table Book Yeah. Coffee Iveta one beer one beer. Because we got the Mrs. What's her face going into the share ARC's everybody basically is going to end up going to find the girl is that been abducted by the Gargoyles? So we're forming our own posse which includes everyone in the town. Basically everybody else in the movie except for. Diana and the Gargoyles well, except for buddy the. Gas attendant they should've thrown him in for just some fodder. Was He not the one that was driving the chick back into though my God? Maybe so So, literally isn't. CAST. Cornell needs a band-aid and you have to think that they got a first aid kit or something there says a big open wound on his forehead. So we left Diana with Bernie Casey in. Stan. Winston makeup sniffing her hair tugging at her top. Okay here. Here we are I'm sorry. Convoy was performed by bill fries. who also, he has a soundtrack credit on mystery science theater what? Yeah. Okay. It was on ripped tickets Okay. That's new MS okay. Okay. So you think that the gargoyles are this is kind of like a not quite a Shamlan twist, but you think the gargoyles are just kind of like mindless monster sort of because all they've done so far is just break Balsa wood doors and. Ninety little tables. What did Cornell while that was going to this is going to buy us a few seconds. Yes all it did the lamp was on that thing the light one, twenty bus. Many. Anyway but maybe that just speaks more to the construction of stuff back in the seventies bribe. But riddle me this. Now, I swear in the dialogue that Bernie Casey says, they've only been awake for two weeks. Okay. That's what I was hoping. You could clarify low vet because. I couldn't figure out if they were. Old Creatures that had been hibernating which I think that's what it is. I think that's what they weren't just birthed two weeks ago they had been hibernating or in some type of like A. Suspended animation. Chur. Okay. So but where do all these eggs come from? So that's basically they a hole. Cave I help clan of of gargoyles and a ton of eggs. So somebody's Ado In. The? Nasty. which can be seen on at forty nine. Oh two. Oh almost there. Bernie, Casey's talking to the the matriarch. About you know the eggs hatching what she turns and he slaps her on the L.. Yeah, he does. He does he gives her like a good game. He does a locker room. was that about letting you know that? Yeah. Even old ancient creatures can get it on like Bernie Casey was low get Outta here baby. Yeah. I may be green and slimy. I don't want you to see what I'm going to do to this human humidity. Take a nap. It's Bernie. Casey was not very good. So. That little bit of emotion and you know. And she hugs him when he comes in, you know and she's like stressed out and crying, we're calling her the matronly gargle. Only because she's the only one that has like, would you say like female features and a WIG bribe? Basically, every gargoyles looks different than the one beside it. They could have made him look all the same. That was interesting choice. But then also that just end that they have like you know they're. They're you know n even that asks slap as like A. Community in love and it wasn't. He wasn't being mean now no he he was like we're GonNa make some eggs later. Yeah. Exactly. So do you think that she's the only thing? I don't want to get into like the actual like. Maybe. That's why she's crying. She's like. But now, she's I mean, she's obviously crying because one of them died I got hit by a semi bright. That had been this cave there in with the gargoyles though it seems to go on for a while. This looks more like natural than I. Don't think they actually trust constructed. No No, you're right. You're right and there's no way. It almost looks like kind of like A. You know something you'd take a tour through Carlsbad. Caverns xactly. I'll man and he she did lose that Khaki shirt pretty quick. It can see most of her skin. Barely camera owner. But yeah, the cave does look pretty cool. Oh Hey look here in the trivia during the ride from the airport. Dunkel Willie's place. You can see the knee of the sound man He was laid station wagon thought it was his head I thought you were going to say you can see Jennifer Salts nipples. Very prominent. Reading Trivia here. I got lost too. Okay. I I dig this we have Grayson. I can why I can't remember a character name Miss Parks. Ms Parks missing drunk are not miss parts. Are you sing it with the T. or K.? A. K. Okay. Because if as miss parts that would be gross. But Buddy is driving her into town. Okay. To, go get back up. Okay right. Go get the state sheriff the State police or whatever get him. They say it's GonNa take two hours to get there. So they're really in the middle of nowhere right or that's just them like stopping off for snacks. And quickey. Buddy and MS parks. You think has happened before I'm sure and the Tau. I'm pretty sure that's what John Cougar Mellencamp sang about. Really what would song? Anyway. When they find their car that that truck just doing circles out in them. Yeah. Out Out in the open there that I thought that was pretty cool. There were. So they're driving away. You could see the gargoyles hand in the back creeping up on him. Yes. They had some creepy cool seen yet that have been used time and time again before and sense. Yes when they. Show Mrs Parks there's a scene with Scott, Glen another one of the motorcyclists. You know they're doing something to their bikes right and I think another sheriff's cars there. And they just look up to see her hanging from the Telepho-. Yeah. Upside down. That was pretty freaking create. Yeah. That was creepy this a really good movie everybody is just formed a poss. Yeah. Everybody whatever vehicle you want to drive or or ride. Horses. Motorcycles, trucks. There's a dog basically everybody in the town but I wanNA know how this how buddies truck got to closer where they were with the gargoyles. Then the rest of this crew, right? It's like he's the only one that knows of a shortcut. Are. We to assume that this big bag of stuff that has to be wine, right? They've got a that's hooked onto the side of the two. Yeah. Hanging from the Mirror I've never seen such a thing. It's a canteen or it's like a huge saddle battle. Thing. Yeah. Drinking water out of an old saddle bag. Sounds Gross. Cornel Wilde the backwash in there because they both take a big drink out of his got spits sloshing it around and then spit it both spit it out. Yeah. It's just your Brinson water. Drinking Water Yep. Is Like I. Wish this was. Charcoal Berry. Erm, you know whatever the? Area. Of. Go with something White Claw Wide Claw Yeah, a seltzer a sparkling water. GotTa forgot what they were doing then like Oh yeah. We're BSC China's Diana. Cornell Wilde makes like a giant leap of like four inches. Makes it look like he's really slipped like these mannix or something? Okay hang on a second the car with the stone on the accelerator. What? The gargoyles did that. Yes, I suppose. So because there's blood in the front seat, it's looks like, Ragu. It's like a weird orange. Yeah but so why why did they do that? He looks at it when he gets up out of there like I didn't sit in that that yeah. Oh Hill as gun kind of falls out of his holster he's a horrible sheriff. This is the most action they've seen in in the year I'm surprised he is not shot his foot off yet. She's having a really deep like intellectual conversation with Bernie. which she seems to have no problem. Yes. She's not scared at all. She is not in distress. I guess when Your Dad's a demon all. There's not a lot. That is going to rattle you know. And I'm I'm sticking with the slow motion. It does look cool I mean like what you were saying earlier about the makeup and stuff it does give you more time to be like. That's just a over-sized wet suit but. Did they have to do it and every time that the gargoyles and I. Guess they just thought it cooler but. Are they trying to make feature length? Oh, maybe. So kind of padding it out by I don't know maybe. He's basically flipping through an old book. Does he know how to read? He's the smartest writing the unclear. Because like you said earlier, he was encouraging them to talk right his other. Yes. Some maybe we're thinking about this too much I. I don't know but that's the big question although if they're so smart Bernie, Casey's made some blunders so far. he's not a good leader I. Think you just saw Diana he was like Whoa. I think he was looking for another way to perpetuate his race or species if you if you know what I mean a little bit of old. So, so okay. We go back and for its night. Yeah. They've been searching all day for Diana and these cases movie is either occurs during like a leaks or hours or air, but they've been out all day. and. Like I said the Cornell Bulls up in his bronco thing. to wear Scott Glen and one other cyclist there are. Arbitrarily turning knobs on their motor tightening bolts. That better up oh. Yeah. See that. But. The one of them just turns says, what's that up there? And they've been they've been tuning up there by underneath it. And indeed her hanging from this telephone. Yeah. And she doesn't look dead I almost neither wanted them to like she's like help me but. I guess maybe gravity is holding her eyelids open. Maybe, she's also kinda hung like the hanged man and like Tarot cards like one of her legs. Yeah. I'm sure that's not. I'm sure that's not on purpose. Really Weird though I guess they figured. The GARGOYLES can fly. So they wanted to put her up high somewhere. Maybe I'm still baffled by the truck thing but any. So the your band of of Mary men that are helping out for nothing as breaking up. So three of the cyclist start to take off and I don't think it's because that's just the way it was written as then they couldn't beyond scene because they had to go put on the costume was to be the car. I think so too. We do not have enough actors in this movie. We cannot have you in the same see. It'd be funny if they pan down from like the polka dotted half guy and he's just got one Garg oil hand and one regular. Ship. Yeah. I mean I have to like say if that's the case how this was filmed and stuff with like one camera, it's pretty good. I mean I I couldn't do they made the most of it yeah this. This is by far away better movie than beware the Blonde Wow. Yeah, and that Cena Lot. That take that Hageman. Did they bury Larry Hagman just a giant hat he demanded it. They find the cave and the Gargoyles at when He. Bernie Casey is up there kinda mounted in front of them until you know. Ordering them to attack. Yeah is laughing like a maniac are like kind of screaming. There is probably fifteen gargoyles they're in costume. Standing at the mouth of the cave. The we've never seen there's been like three of them. Like one of them's dead They're really ineffectual. They killed buddy in an old lady. But. Then when they're confronted with these guys that one guy that just kind of putting. He's dead. I guess we're meant to think that they were like really like digging their claws in, but they really vary basically just like kind of rubbing him. Home. But that one does that like straight legged like jump up onto the Bronco Hood. House. Pretty cool. It's pretty cool. Our friend Jj Var now could do that. He could jump up onto the roof of his car from just standing strict that the natural. And now. There are goal riding a horse. There's a gargoyles that looks like a has a praying mantis head. Yes. I saw that I actually liked that but that's really like, okay, guys we're getting to the bottom of. The makeup box. We're just GONNA put some old like. Motorcycle Goggles, and spray paint your head green when they start launching themselves off the little trampolines. Over pretty. Cool. Fun also earlier when they were in that big scene with the kind of matronly one and she's still talking to name that one hatches you know yes and they pull a straight up kid out there you know. Mean I'm sure it's a little boy. It did not look like a little person. You know what? I mean? No. No it looked like a young child. Yes and I'm like man that kid had all that makeup on. Shirley they were like. Maybe. You know like breaking a couple of like. Child labor laws or something I didn't see him credited in the movie at all. Yeah. Because he's dead. Like I said in the seventies, it was like acceptable losses if you could. Just write them off the script. Yeah. So the big attack from the Gargoyles and Cornell Wilde is just an ace with a shotgun. Yeah. He is blowing him back and forth one of them. Freakin GIS tackles just clips him. I saw that as it runs by gave him a shoulder check or something like they're playing field hockey. But again, Cornell Wilde is a demon all adjust. He's probably killed many demons right someone. Does so Bernie Casey comes up at the end of it riding a horse and yeah. Even. I guess the shotgun was empty 'cause cornell was just going to use it as a bat to swing at Adam. That's their. That's the go to move in any movie. I think it's the finally use the weapons just a blunt instrument. So Bernie Casey basically says come with me if you WanNa, see your daughter Cornell's just like jog after. Yeah, he's like, okay I guess. That's what we're doing. Now I trust you implicitly. But when they get into the cave, he's kind of taken like A. It almost looked like he's been beaten up a little bit more as an he got smacked on the head. I it's already smacked on the head he got roughed up. Will he got shoulder check by that one guy? And then kind of twirled the ground. Bernie Casey knocks him off of that little thing that they were on. and. When he gets up, it's almost like the actor Cornell Wilde is trying to decide like. Hurt at any kind of settles on his arm he Kinda rubs his arm a little bit. I keep just felt like twelve feet on your back when Bernie throws him though he just cackled he standing up there those wings and just cackles. I throw you Pudi man. Yeah emotionally he's kind of all over the map. I would think that gargoyles would be more straight laced. Yeah. Bernie Casey sounds like a is like gargoyles professor something he's a professor of the Gargoyles Arts. Gargoyles. Studies. So he's got Diana and the matronly Gargo Pulls Cornell Wilde off, they're going to get their own room and I must say. Hannah doesn't seem to I mean she's like this is our first day. I'm not going to let you you know and they look like they've just been like smoking a joint had a couple of glasses of wine reading some books he he creeps down on her though it's kind of suspenseful. Yes. You'll wonder what he's GonNa do you gotta remember it's made for TV at imagine if this was rated r. that's the movie I WanNa Sing Director's cut the Snyder at a gargoyles. Yet. So that we get to see another one of these gargoyles which we saw snippets of the the eggs hatching and the very opening when they were doing the the exposition at the beginning. These baby gargoyles ugly I'm just going to say it. I'm saying right there. They are one of them comes out and kind of looks like the baby from dead alive and. Like ugly baby. Just got like. On it's faith Kinda slime on its face, but that's just the way I think about all kids. Let's just confirms it. Okay, so the matriarch comes to get. Coronel. Wild well, I. Think she said that she was going to take her to take him to her daughter his daughter God I came talk take him to his daughter but it Kinda seemed like she just wanted to get him alone to right exactly. That's what I thought was going to happen. but if it did, we don't see it because it's a made for TV movie. The did you get that the matriarch was a little jealous over Diana so she? Wanted her own? There's a whole thing playing out with her and Bernie Casey that isn't included in the movie. Well I. They probably were trying to branch off into seventy Sitcom and just did not take out right like three's company where one of them's. A Gargo. Yeah, I can see the at. Cornell Wilde when he gets a shotgun in his hands, he looks like he's never lived bill this moment like he is having the time of his life I mean really. As a demon Allah gised. Exactly. This is this is the highlight of your career right here. I hate it the cameras stole the end of this movie with Scott Glen like putting the gasoline all over the eggs and stuff. Scott Glen waste no time to grab two gas cans and run up the hill to go. End to the cave. Yeah who's the real hero? He doesn't owe these people anything. If anything they've been shitty to entire time. You sort of expect him and Diana to have this thing. Since they're the only to you know beyond good looking people in the entire movie But that never happens because it's a TV movie we ain't got a lot of time we need to move it along. But yes, as you said Cornell, what he is a freaking as a bad ass, he is gargoyles killer. Yes, and his pants. Those dockers obviously have some kind of stretching. Because he is. His really hard on them. This is a good action sequence for him. He's one of those older actors that's like. Kind of a tough guy it was sixty when this came out she is. Yeah, he's having a blast. He has like a blood lust but I guess it's because Diana's right there. But I don't like that. He Kinda Bonk the the female gargoyles on the Yes. Kind of like on her hump but that was an interesting thing. Okay. Let me back up because I'm catching up to hear a Scott Glen sets all the eggs on fire and then get actor pricing himself for people that he doesn't even know their names probably. But I think that's you know there wasn't anything else going on, but those eggs had to be very flammable exploded. He went up the way they edited that it almost looks like Scott Glen explodes he lights that thing with all the gargoyles around him, and then there's like a big kind of like an explosion. And you don't see those gargoyles and you don't see him. They all just like spontaneously combusted. I don't know I have no idea the showdown between Cornell wild and Bernie. Casey they've been talking in a knows he can reason with a my yes. He hits the he damages the ones wing. Right I guess it doesn't kill her that she does look very fragile when she's an old of Gargoyles. So that's when he was like. Hey. I want my daughter. You WanNa live and perpetuate your species. Here's your chance grab her and get the hell out of all do the same. Yet pretend this never happened. Right. Exactly. They all just walk away. It's like a like they went to key party together and they just don't WanNa. Look each other in the. Not a good ending. No I was not a very satisfying ending just to see the gargled. With his his wingspan that. Could not hold the mass of what he is. He never got up high enough. To where he was just going to go live. So, it's not like the wings are just for show. They must have they have some other means of propulsion but that's what made me think of because she mentions the matriarch mentions that win the little boy was born or what when the little gargle sorry. Don't mean to put up gender on a gargoyles. When it was born a was a breeder but he had wings as well. So it made you. Thank that. Okay the ones with wings are the only ones that can breed the other ones are gist sleaze tax I think all that type of stuff was thought about like way later like shit maybe we should explain some of the stuff. But they never do. Just left with so many questions. Like. How did they think that lasts like flying scene look good. Yes. I guess that was on the eighth or ninth day it was like all right We've got to wrap this up while we got what they could have done it in the shadows I thought they played really well with the shadows I. Think they're doing a lot of like day for night type stuff. You know just with the like it's full daylight they just that's why and the pitch of night when they fly away, you can see the shadow on the rocks. Yes. Exactly. Doesn't quite add up. But. I mean all in all it gave a young man named Stan Winston another credit and didn't know did I read that this? This was his first film wasn't the first one I thought I read that somewhere I d now but creators of Gargoyles, makeup, Ellis Berman and Stan Winston. According to Uncle Willie. The native American presumably Hopi or Navajo name for the Gargle is the neck attach Inko? Yes. Where Bruce Willis went in yes the plaza. Share universe. Okay, that'd be cool. What if there's just a gargoyles? All right in the middle of diehard? Of An. Awesome. He was behind the whole thing. So while the dance that summons them is referred to them as the known Attaya. Okay, right. That's what Willie was talking about right I think King of the hill mentions that. In bobbies trying to. Join. The order straight era. No, Way Metania Anyway. Again why would you know that? Why wouldn't I know that so? Yeah I have such strong feelings about this movie and still do like the parts that scared me when I was a kid. I are the parts that I enjoy. Now you know. And Finding out that it had to be filmed on link a little over a week makes a lot of you know that explains thanks. Yeah still love it. Still love those made for TV movies we gotta do we gotTa do the with Kim Darby. Not. Terence Trent Darby. CNN made for TV movie between the hence the name of that. Don't be afraid of the dark. So Right But the little things. All right. I'm looking Kim Darby. As I don't know why I don't have her on speed tab or something. Yeah. Yeah they have that. We're talking about calling this the Darb our guests that was the DAB cast. It was still it would work. What if DABNEY and Darby? Way. That would. They had married and he had aken. A name would be Dabney, Darby? Was that was that worth? It was that worth the joke? Oh, you tell me. We'll see we'll see how many downloads this kids. We. Lose a few. Don't be afraid of the Dark Nineteen seventy-three TV movie that what I said don't think so. A couple inherits an old mansion and habitat by bias small. starwars tried again this. This deserves better. A young couple inherits mansion inhabited by small demon like creatures I thought you said better who are determined to make the wife one of their own. Still a wacky Sitcom Highway I like to read them. Now I don't remember seeing this early Nineteen seventy-three TV movie from October Nineteen, seventy, three, an hour and fourteen minutes long well, I remember being good and I think year mode del Toro made a remake of I could be wrong about that. All these made for TV movies are so cheesy. And granted TV. Then probably wasn't given half of the budget I mean they spend a lot of money on TV now the budgets are way for TV now from back then they were like all right. That's why probably these costumes were borrowed from another set. Yes. Sure. Just kind a retrofitted. They had all these rubber suits before and said here we were gonNA throw these out anyway just. Roger Corman made of and Shit movie a couple of weeks ago, and he just left all the stuff. Is going to have to hose them out and put him on. But a fun move I think maybe it's because they have to get creative about some of the stuff because they don't have the money that makes it good. You know I'm with you or the like and will skit get in there and crank this thing out. Forget it ever happen. says here the scenes with the gargoyles running and moving. were. Slowed down to give the GARGOYLES. An unnatural. JERKY quality. Like. The Turkey boys chief met one. Yeah. Some of that. were. The hotel in the film. Was An old of business, hotel near Carlsbad New Mexico. It was actually burned down for the film. The ruins were later recorded as a historical archaeological site. With. The New Mexico department, of historic preservation. So did they did they burn down an archaeological site or did they decide that Oh this movie was mayor this is an archaeological site because Gargoyles was filmed there. Yes that's what I'm saying. Well. They need to remake this. I think big it's worth a remake. I think. So but you know how hard it is like narrow it down to I mean everything that I searched for before was obviously the cartoon from like the nineties. Yes No. Association. Between these till it has more association with like that episode of tales from the dark side for the guy or the hardest. Since that Lisa Bonet now that was a Radon Sean. Radon Song and. The Guy from the warriors Michael Beck. No the other main guy Crap, I can't think of his name. Mind is twinned blank. Oh, the Garg oil from the tales from the dark side movie Berry James Remar who I was trying to think of. The artists. And she says we can. We can just have sex all the time. And hang out. if you don't tell anybody that I'm a gargoyles and you know what? He fucking tells people where you can't. You can't that something you can't keep under your belt though he merely hey, I, gotta get this off my chest. Yeah. You don't. You can't go tell your priest now I mean now definitely that would work. I'll just get drunk at a bar and tells some random person. I don't remember how that actually happens to tell you the truth. I remember saying the. The tells dark side movie at the. Theater. Didn't. It also have Christian slater in one of the episodes. Yes. The Big Christian it has everybody in it. Steve Shaming. Julian Morrow right. David Johannesen yeah or also known as. Buster poindexter. Extra couldn't quite think of it is in the New York. Dolls. Niagara Falls. William Hickey, oh the oldest man and he was old before he was actually. Yes. Robert Klein there's James Remar. Forever. In that movie. By why is that movie sound a wild? I need to go revisit. Anyway. Love, the TV movies I think will probably do. A few more few more. As this was, I, think our oldest film was not seventy two. That's. About, as early as we've done. Yeah. You're right. So that makes this movie just as old as I am wow who and who held up more. We're GONNA find out. Next time on. Press Your Luck. Okay. So you're going to post a picture yourself on twitter. And then a picture of Bernie Casey laughing maniacally as a Gordon. And we're going to have a vote. Have a poll take a look at the ratio held up better. Yeah. Thanks for that well I. Think we did it. We did something. Definitely, did something I think we raised awareness for this? Awesome old movie. Raised awareness. We should have Garg awareness month. It'll be like the month after Toyota Thon. They've got like the early fall. Isn't a Ford truck money at Ford Truck. Mont is in I think that might be going on right now, I'll have to check. All right. Let's wrap this up. was you're saying, Hey, go visit our website, check it out. We got some new things coming in. 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They Called This a Movie Episode 102 - Pumpkinhead (1988)

They Called This a Movie

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They Called This a Movie Episode 102 - Pumpkinhead (1988)

"Raising a dead within my power. Be all right. Going to be afraid. Looking for an older woman. She lives somewhere in the mountains, you know, gosh, you know she can do is take you straight to him and you go home and you bury your morning when you come home to say as how she's got powers off. When are you want it haunting? Good form friendships fans and National graveyard way and Renewables looking for you see and they what's the next Thursday. We got a lot of its kind of run into cars are like me and off and off welcome to they call. This is movie testing the strength of friendships once a movie at a time subscribe to the podcast on iTunes other podcast Services by searching they call this a movie. We are part of the main Network. It's five more for us to check out the website at the main page, on Twitter Facebook and Instagram at the main Amy. We're also now proud of member of geek fives Nation. You can find them at Jimmy nation.com. Welcome back they call so maybe this is Anthony Delvecchio with me is always is Dan Aquino and Mark Meyer. Say hello gentlemen. Hey guys, how's it going? I don't know what it is. But every couple months there's a movie that's chosen for this podcast cuz I spend the entire movie just wanting to murder one of the people in the movie or see them murdered. I don't know where to Vengeance Murder Street comes from but I think the last time was the movie with the Hologram guy hologram hologram an agreement. Yeah. Yeah with that one politician that was waged with them. Horror movies will do that to you. I think they should that's the that's the emotion. They should bring out of you. Now you want to for the killer we're going to we're going to teach you what it's like to watch our movies there. Mark, one day we'll figure it out and you're going to love this. Is it? Yeah, it's really like Galaxy brain on you would be like the Tim and Eric skit before we get into this week's wage. What did you guys watch this week? I am going full bore into spooky season as we've been calling it now so I watch Fright Night the original Fright Night. I watched this movie. It's a Korean movie called hashtag alive. It's a zombie movie not as good as train to Busan, but it has its moments. It's pretty good. The the zombies are pretty frightening in it. Is that the sequel to it? No, no, but there is a sequel to it. I forget what the name is but that's more along the lines of how aliens was actually write. It was like an action movie instead of alien, which is the suspense the suspenseful horror. That's what this sequel to train to Busan looks like right. Have you seen the trailer? I haven't watched it yet. It's like the the armies involved in it ships home. Going up all over the place. I'm not really sure if I want to see that or not. It doesn't even feel like a train to Busan sequel. Gotcha. I think there was one more that I behind the mask the rise of Leslie Vernon. That's my second time watching it. Very good my big that movie. Yeah. I think you were the one who brought that up to me years ago. Yeah. It's probably been like ten years since I've seen it but it's worth the rewatch. It's a lot of fun. It's cool because there are two people in that movie that I recognized. I didn't obviously back in the day, but the the woman who is documenting it is the sister from Home Alone. She's the one who called Kevin lazy competent interesting. Yeah, and the old man from The Walking Dead the fog, isn't it? Merle Merle? No, no on the farm. Yeah Herschel. Yep. I was going to say it's a Bible name. Yep. He is Leslie Jones. Earnings like Mentor in it. Yeah. I vaguely remember him being in that. Yeah. Yeah, he's pretty good. But it's just a fun movie. It kind of deals with the inner workings of them spoil anything for anyone listening but it's kind of a behind-the-scenes of how a classic slasher villain operates. So it's it's really cool. It's very tongue-in-cheek at times. It's definitely worth the watch about you mark. Yes, so I drove into some more video game documentaries after our Crossover with the Game Vault pod. I watch most of the long ones a gaming historian put out there which actually happened to have a little piece of one of them was about that error. I was talking about on that podcast of the mid 90s to early 2000s Sega so long I got my wish watching that still went a little bit longer, but it was funny watching cuz I know you would see said in the past and listening back to old episodes of this. It was fun watching his thing cuz if he went through the plane He didn't put them in like your order. I think you put some by like importance order. So you'll get some videos from like 2013 and just see the quality of video and his presentation completely change from video to Thursday. Oh, so it was pretty interesting seeing going through that with all the topics at hand. But yeah, that was about it. I've had I've watched those and the the little bit of free time that I've had just because I don't know why I haven't watched them in the past but he's a very straightforward thing and even does a cool thing where he he did a video where he pointed out like basically correct it some of the couple of the docks that he had information wrong in for those that didn't listen to the other podcasts. Just I recommend if you like gaming stuff, they're short little bite-sized under an hour documentary things if you have any interests go check that out, but that's about all I watch. Okay. Yes, as I mentioned. I'm also right in the middle of spooky season as should be evident with this podcast cuz we're in the middle of spooky season with this podcast as well, but I started the year off. Besides watching her first movie Phantasm. If you go onto the main TV., you should see articles that have gone up already. So I've watched so far at the time of this recording watch our first movie of October Thirty One is a horror was brain-damaged which I followed up with Wishmaster and 976-evil part to all those numbers in that. Yeah, right. So I'll take the 3 the best one is brain damage. Which Master is very campy. I was so surprised that it actually got a theatrical release cuz it felt very much like a straight-to-video movie Thousand Seventy-Six evil kind of the same thing. I was surprised but the major thing that I watched which was probably the heaviest thing not like heavy in terms of darkest, but I watched a 4 and 1/2 hour documentary called in search of darkness, which is on Prime. I believe or shutter might be a shutter exclusive but it basically goes year to year throughout the eighties from nineteen. Eighty to nineteen eighty-nine wage. Just basically touches upon every single horror release or every major horror release of that particular year. They have tons of interviews with a whole bunch of people Tom Atkins John Carpenter Doug Bradley, basically anybody that you could expect hearing from during that that era Jeffrey Combs Barbara Crampton, Sean Cunningham Joe Dante Keith Davidson, it was a whole bunch of people that you've seen in a ton of movies is interesting. But again, it's one of those movie. It's one of those over remember this movie kind of movies were just goes surface-level throughout each of them. So it's fun to see two full minutes on each movie. But if you've watched any documentaries on horror movies or specifically about the eighties horror movies, you really not going to learn anything more but it's it was fun like kind of background stuff while I was doing other things while cooking. I've just have it on was like, oh now they're talking about Night of the Creeps cool and yours Tom Atkins being awesome. Is is this when was this released wage? 19. Okay. So it these are recent interviews, right? Yeah, very recent. I'm assuming that these were all these were all interviews done for specifically this documentary. I'm not sure if it was just archival stuff but it seemed mostly like they were fresh sat down Tom Adkins is Chaka white hair now. He still looks good. And he's in his eighties at this point spread John Carpenter. Did an interview just I feel like you know, he's kind of doesn't need to do these sort of interviews anymore. But he still seems interested in talking about the shit that he did in the eighties. That's good. I think that helps a younger audience who may not have known his work or necessarily that he did it. So yeah, I think that's a I think it's a good idea to keep keep bringing him out while you can I guess while he's stuck around and able to do these things. It's good to see these guys still doing interviews, especially Atkins and John Carpenter. I'm glad they're still doing interviews. Hopefully getting younger audiences job. Into their movies obviously not a lot of people have probably seen like Halloween three Night of the Creeps and those are solid horror movies. So hopefully a lot of people are watching this documentary wage were talking about and I hope that they get into some of these cult classic movies. Yeah. I know Carpenter stays active like he like goes on tour and like performs his music off. Okay, so I know he's still pretty active still kicking around. Yeah, that's all I watched except for this week's movie. And this week's movie was dance pick, although I don't think Dan officially picked it should let him kind of introduced his movie. Yeah, as you mentioned I didn't necessarily pick this movie my wife ended so she is also a big horror movie fan and thought I wanted her to get a movie and because she you know, she's a big supporter of us and I love her. I've grown quite fond of her sure and it was a good movie. So I figured why the hell not I'll I'll throw a bone here. So yep. We picked Pumpkinhead the another cult classic. I would say right. Yeah, I'd say so although I should mention that this is the second time Jen is picked the movie and refused to join the podcast to talk about this movie, which is weird. I mean she has her own podcast. He would think she'd feel comfortable. Yeah. Yeah, maybe I don't know. Maybe she just doesn't like are are like the way we run things here. I don't know off her. What the fuck's up? Yeah. What was the first one rubber right wherever she was up are asked to do a rubber the one podcast she was on was Sonic the Hedgehog and she begrudgingly did that song. Yeah. No, I think it's me if any note because obviously it's not Mark she does the podcast with Marc and or maybe it's you and I don't know. I don't know no one's been more unhappy on this show than it was for Sonic the Hedgehog. Well, she didn't like that movie to begin with so she I kind of dragged her to see Sonic and I did it under the guise of we could do a crossover with game. Heart it'll be great. Like I don't want to see this. I wish I knew that's how we we got that together cuz I didn't want to really see it either. I I had wanted to see it too much because growing up I like Sonic and it just seemed like it was one of those movies where not not to derail too much but they the the fans kind of complained about how his his original design was a studio went back changed it like you know what I feel like they did that for the fans. So I'm going to cut him some slack here. I'll go see it and I had heard Jim Carrey was pretty funny innit debatable, but overall I enjoyed that movie. Okay, I'm Pumpkinhead. Yes, Pumpkinhead Pumpkinhead. Okay. So Mark, let's go with you first. What's your experience with pumpkin head as with most movies for watch unless it was something really mainstream never really saw before a really heard about it. I will say I was more into this movie in the opening scene that I was at any point during the last movie song. That was a good step up. This was more up my alley in terms of the type of horror that I like sitting through and watching that was about it. I went in completely blind like I do most of the time and this time I am actually was getting upset because the prime kind of screwed me and I had to watch it another way and I kept getting French ads for Kleenex coming through it. So I was getting really mad about the commercials be going to get back to the movie. So I think it's a positive for it. What was the name of the kleenex know it was Kleenex of Kleenex. Okay. Got you. I thought it was the equivalent of French equivalent of cleaner. They Kleenex Kleenex Dan. What's what's your experience with this? I've seen Pumpkinhead numerous times. I liked this movie a lot Stan Winston directed this movie as well as made the particular monster and he's such a great Creator and this movie really kind of hearkens back to like the set-pieces job. Like the 30s and 40s horror movies where it's really dark and like foggy the set pieces in this movie are awesome the swamp the woods just it's such an R-rated movie. I don't think it gets enough love when we talk about classic monsters in horror movies. Obviously, you get the the Jason's the Freddy's Godzilla whoever but not known really toss Pumpkinhead. So I hope we can kind of make people at least enjoy this movie in this monster because it's it's a very creative monster. Yeah it is. Yeah, so I had seen them once before and I watched it for 31 days a holler back three years ago and I had the same kind of feelings for you. It's great. It's it's so much fun. It's what I what I said in my review because not much not much Gore not much sex and nudity in terms of that nearly none. This would be a perfect starter horror movie for someone that's around dead. 11:00 or 12. Let's try that's really starting to get interested in like the scarier stuff and they want something maybe a little more hardcore than Hocus Pocus or Halloweentown, you know, they're trying to push their limits off a little bit. So I think this is a perfect movie for that cuz there's like I said, there's no sex like this. The sexiest thing is Lance Henriksen in this is got no business being this sexy. He turns up heat man the first shot you see of them. He he he's shirtless sweaty and tan. Yeah. I mean he sex appeal is all right in Hendrickson, which is weird cause he's he's never been anywhere near as sexy than any movie. He's in I can't imagine I mean Millions right and grow up with a lance Hendrickson poster on my wall. That's for sure. I don't think many women did the same either doesn't need literally start the movie with a flamethrower know he brings. Yeah. I thought he like what a brush on fire or something else. How they use introduced might be able to get a shovel can't remember now. I watched I watched it like four hours ago at one point. He's hosing down some stuff with no shirt on and then I kind of playfully sprays them. I don't remember. Yeah, but anyway distracted so we couldn't remember. Yeah. I was like, I don't know what he's doing, but I'm glad he's doing it without a shirt home home. He he was Farm Boy strong. All right, that's just like he worked the fields every day. He had his own little Podunk shop. So he was a man of the earth held this movie. It's supposed to be present day. Well nineteen eighty-eight, but like people are stuck in the fucking dustbowl right people Wallace crew comes off and they're all sepia-toned. I don't think people really like lived like that at that point in the cuz this was eighty-eight. I want to say. Yeah, I don't think there was many Backwoods kind of people like that. No just like wage. Like someone wrote this like fuck wouldn't fucking hate to see his look like and you know where America right now is what I imagine somebody in Appalachia looks like I'm shocked that no one was named Jim Bob in this movie was all caked and dirt. Yeah having seen clean water for months. Yeah, nine kids sharing the same bed room dead. Yeah. What is this? I don't think anyone did that in the fucking joads, right? I mean essentially they still lived in the wild west. This was the 18000s. Yeah. Yeah, I would go off phone. Yeah, the closest of anything that could have been similar in nineteen eighty-eight is maybe it's still looked like like it wasn't like paved roads or something like that sure like that. It was all dirt road. I've seen some of that driving through where my family has places in North Carolina, you know you drive past and it's like, oh turn off the dirt road here to get a couple of things here. But yeah the phone number And it looks like and and Old West mining town. Like they're they've been there like searching for gold out there while the Pumpkinhead stops them. It's just a a constant layer of dirt bags. Yeah, I didn't never settle a certain person from our another movie would have been right at home in this place. Oh, yeah or not there any bad. I love the song Monster work on this as you mentioned Stan Winston directs this and the monster work is phenomenal. Yeah, like the puppetry that they do. But again, that's like a lost art. You don't see that in Monster movies anymore. I mean now it's all paranormal right it like Annabelle conjuring that kind of stuff. It's all paranormal so you don't really get the monster movie as much slashers are starting to kind of come back. I think this stuff you don't see Pumpkinhead monsters. You don't see any of that. So it's kind of it kind of sucks. And I and I get it. I feel like a lot of audiences don't want to see Thursday. But one of the things that I've always been drawn to with these sorts of movies and even when I said earlier, I watched fright night. They do some puppetry work and that it's both of those effects are kind of what make the movie sure. Yeah, and they're not shy about showing it either right nowadays. I don't think pumpkin head is going to really not going to draw people's attention away with you know, you have the Marvel movies going on and all that. So the special effects are obviously much better. Yeah, it would be a little bit it would be CGI things dripping out of his mouth and and he would look at home way worse. Yeah, that's the problem. I think I think that we don't get a realism. The reveal is a little more skin crawling sort of than like laughing at it, which is kind of rare with practical monsters, you know, sometimes find the suits they don't look sometimes they look really bad, right, you know, when they do this is a full review and I'm like that thing is scary staying home. When did Jurassic Park as well I believe right? I always got a bunch will just go to a pumpkin head from nineteen eighty eight or quite Stan Winston. He's only directed one other feature length film and it was called gnome Norm starring Anthony, Michael Hall and Jerry Orbach and he is the special effects wizard behind Predator aliens. The Terminator series Jurassic Park series Galaxy Quest Constantine Iron Man as well as many others. That's a resume. You can't even compete with xenomorph was more him features to this creature with more because he did did aliens more than copying off even tell that Pumpkinhead kind of I won't say it looks like this because it came out earlier, but the alien in was Alien Resurrection looks sort of like pumpkin head. Sure. I'm sure he Geiger inspired. Yeah, but I mean those Creations the Terminator skeleton the T-Rex those are so much better than wage. You think that's been put out Jurassic world the the other Terminator movies that the new Predator movies those all suck. They all look terrible, you know, you get the actual puppetry of the costumes like tell me that the T-Rex and the first Jurassic Park looks better than any of the other dinosaurs in any of the other movies. Oh a hundred percent. I think that's I think that's where a special effects peaked. Who's the first draft of Parts? Good call. That's a very good call it stars Lance motherfuking Hendrickson, Jeff East John dioquino. So Dan's Brethren Kimberly Ross Joel how often simply obtain carry Remsen Florence chauffeur Brian Boomer and George Buck flower IMDb score of 6.2 and a Rotten Tomatoes score of 65% budget 3.5 million box office four point three eight million. Do you think John D Aquino gets confused with John dioquino. Maybe just has to constantly like me like do I call you John Smith? Acquire a Honda key know and I don't care man, possibly and also I found out through the IMDb that small Roll by a one Blossom Mayim Bialik. She plays on a wireless kit. Oh, I did not know that. Yeah blinking. Did you know that there's a guy named dick warlock in this movie? Yes. Well, that's a friend is somebody that can help her but like he he's a Michael Myers. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, he's Michael Myers. His IMDb photo is him holding up. Laurie Strode is a stop ma'am. Yeah, he was in Escape From New York. He was in Firestarter. And the abyss nice. Look at that. This is the cool stuff man. I all these guys kind of get around in the horror game it seemed yeah, definitely. Yeah. I mean, I don't really have much more to talk about before we get into the plot, you know again, I'm just I'm hoping we do this movie Justice. I love this movie. It's a good one what you got for his dead. We going to break. All right. So I like to point out our good friend Tia and her podcast the top ten with Tia so weekly podcast where T and her friends get together. It's on geek fives Nation do their top ten lists. So I'm hoping for spooky season. We're doing top 10 spooky movies or spooky characters if she does anything other than horror denouncing her and I'm putting you on notice to you right now. It's got to be all horror-themed. But yeah, go check her out vibes Nation. You can follow her on Twitter TC understood underscore Stark. She's an awesome person a good friend of the podcast and just just a pleasure to talk to and be around so go give her follow go. Listen. Okay. Yeah, and we're going to take a quick break before we do. We're going to take a step back. Listen to some messages from friends of the podcast so we will be right back. Hey, this is Kenna Padawan. J o Stuffy from the odor apparently Hour podcast every week. You know dph is talking Sports movies TV Comics and More it's always a finally a topics on each episode. You can find the oth on Apple podcast on Google podcast. IHeartRadio Spotify Stitcher pausing and wherever you find great podcasts such as the one you're listening to right now. Don't forget to check out Ultra girl. Com where you can find the links to all of the OTP a social media accounts links to a dance with music teacher each week on the show, hashtag six or seven podcast info and probably points are companion block section of the show off to listen to your DP H. Now get back to your regularly scheduled broadcast. Welcome Travelers seems like you're looking for a story but I got one for you involves Adventure friendship and all space that you want to tell him about that truck. I saw that big ass. Melon. Yeah. Yeah, I was going from water you could, but the time I kicked her ass Earl I wouldn't ever tell do I need to get my ref? Kieron? Okay, everyone shut up. You should come with me as I tell you a story from afar everybody. My name is David. I'm the DM for from afar podcast from afar podcast is all about four friends separated by distance brought together, by the way. I'm sure hope you all stop by and give us a listen. Thanks and welcome back and now it's time to get into the plot for Pumpkinhead. We open in nineteen fifty-seven and we get a scene with a hayseed faith in a cabin probably don't know the depression is over mom and son pray is dead prepares his rifle and steps outside. He heads to his truck then to the bar and grabbed one of the horses which he then locks into the barn. Why does any job? I have no idea but you that heads back inside of the cabin and barricades that door behind him. Meanwhile, another guy runs around in the Woods running away from some unseen entity through the woods and then through a cornfield man outfit makes it out to outside the cabin and begs for the dad whose name is Tom to let him in the cabin. So I have pleased with him, but he says that he can't this isn't to do with them and the Unseen entity comes kid looks outside and we get a glimpse of that unseen, enemy, which is pumpkin head as it takes the outside man away. We then cut to present day 1988 in a sexy Lance Henriksen. I just did come back. I think after watching a movie that opening scene stuff with the horse makes slightly more sense because you he doesn't want the person coming running away from Pumpkinhead to steal his horse. He like other horses outside though. Oh, I only I only saw the one I had been his favorite I give I give this movie credit. It's one of the first movies we've watched that actually where the characters care for their animals cuz later on in the movie. Go what about the Hogs paw? Oh, it's not going to come after anything. It doesn't want to get so it's like, okay. Well, at least they care, you know, that's their livelihood. I get it when it gets to it, but there was a time where I thought oh, no, not again for a movie we chose so don't get to that so we cut to present day nineteen eighty-eight and sexy Lance Henriksen and he's the boy from the previous scene all grown up and he's got a boy of his own a dog named Gypsy and they wash up outside and then heading for breakfast and they still might not know the depression is over. That scene is a good President Bush guys have another War is Over the cabin hasn't changed and thirty-five years. He hasn't been that way. He doesn't have like electricity doesn't seem right. Yeah. I mean the place is a mess. I think the only luxury they have is the kitchen table kitchen table and Dad's stories. That's right. It's I couldn't imagine log That way even in nineteen eighty-eight. You would have to have some something of you know, some type of electricity in there. No radio at least something off the phone something to listen to something. It's more primitive than you need to be in nineteen eighty-eight, right? Assuming assuming it's 1988, but the simple life but that's just beyond the simple. That's like the boring mundane life. I guess it has to be cuz it says present day so man, he's made in 88 so like present-day by which we mean 1976 this movie this movie came out a year before the Batman movie like Lance Henriksen his character would never know to go see that movie are they don't have movie theaters out there. They missed out on a great performance. Yeah, what would you tell them these moving pictures? You probably would have like thought like it would capture level. It's the Dead. Right and no pictures allowed. You can't take pictures cuz that'll trap your soul and took the kids even say something along those lines. Right? Well, one of the kids is like what's that like Jesus Christ. I mean you see where they lived and they're they're so far disconnected from the world. But is that even possible? I'm a little unrealistic. I understand that there were tribes in like other countries that haven't been exposed to civilization. But this is America. I'm sure at one point. Someone would have came and found you guys. Yeah city Folk City Folk anyone who's not a hayseed is a city Folk. Yeah. It's like going up to the Poconos like where we are and just be like God being transported sixty years in the past. Right? I wonder if there's like a town that's maybe a town or two over where they have luxuries, you know, they they have television just electricity job. Might these people look down on them. You guys got unleaded gas here at breakfast Billy. The boy gives his dad necklace. He made himself and I'm like my clothes and the dad tells a story then we get a scene with your standard group of 80s twenty-year-olds heading towards a cab including an asshole a convertible that drinks beer as he drives and sexy Lance Henriksen known as Ed and his son open up their job in store for the morning. We get a little Montage of them. Just having fun opening up the store. We like to call that the nothing bad is going to happen to us Montage. Yeah. We just going to live long lives dog food coke bottle glasses. Oh man. I love how somehow like this the this town. These characters are so disconnected from the world, but somehow that he realized is that that joke that's made at his expense. Look at those coke-bottle glasses. What the fuck? Did you just say to my kid? You don't have you probably don't even know what Coke is still got cocaine in it off. I mean that miracle drug it helps your headache. I take it with my bare heroin this black tar heroin. They definitely have Mooncake in there, right? Oh, yeah, right. I mean that's a given does nothing. That won't make you go blood right? That's like two hundred percent alcohol. So these assholes kids this up at a general store and back glass whole makes fun of the kids glasses as the kid tries to stop his dog Gypsy from barking and attacking him and then he makes he just calls and coke bottle glasses and the kid feels upset about it. Right? I mean, how does happen again? Like, oh, maybe that's a compliment complimenting my glasses Daddy. I think he'd get stone regardless of if you from nineteen thirty-seven don't like that guy off. So Joel is the ASL and he hates everyone so much that he can't stand to be at the store. So he pulls his bike off the truck and just goes off roading with it. Like an idiot. No one. Does that suck. Right. No normal person would do that. What do you guys going to take ten minutes to get stuff for our trip? I'm going to go take like down and then ride around for half an hour sick tricks. He's a dick that's like above and beyond a dick head move. Yeah, they had to get the point across before he hits the kid that this guy you don't like right and this guy to be fair. He really does go out of his way to be a dick head. Yes. They must people are just dick heads, you know on purpose regardless because of circumstance this guy he makes that circumstance happen if she drinks a beer then throw the candle through the dirt. I'm going to commit as many crimes in and our as I possibly can to break the record for crimes committed I couldn't decide if I wanted to see him die by the hands of the monster whatever was coming up in this movie or make him watch all of his other friends die. That's my one that I put this movie. I think the wrong people Died early really? Yeah. Oh, yeah, the problem with this movie is like you said, they're generic twenty-year-old characters in horror movies. They don't really flesh out anyone other than Joel who has waged said is a dick head. Everyone else is just kind of you have the screaming whiny female character who's basically useless. Then you have the last girl but then you have this other guy who's kind of like a yuppie and you don't really know anything about them and I don't think he should have been one of the last ones around I think Joel should have been around longer than he is. He's he's the last one to die in their in their friend group. It should have been him. And what was Tracy I think Tracy yeah, it should have been Joel and Tracy or the last ones and then again you follow that formula where Tracy is The Last One Alive? Yeah, I guess I guess I feel for Chris cuz he got blindsided by a log then trapped in the bathroom for six hours right and the name. Get a joke kind of goes out of his way to be a dick about things. You know, like you really have to trap him in the closet. Did you have to hit him over the head? Yeah. He didn't murder like it's like murder or Chris right back of the head, right? He definitely could have just brained him right there. Yeah, you just see his like legs shake after his oh my god. I've done it again. This time on purpose the problem with this movie is that what happens is an accident, but it's not played as an accident. That's cuz Joel makes it. Yeah feel like it's not an axle right again. He goes above and beyond to make things worse. Oh you like he's on probation. All right, man. No one's gonna throw you in the fucking Clank because it was an accident. Right but he does say he has been drinking the New Jersey police station is probably ten hours away. Oh, yeah. No, this is share of territory. Oh, he could write in the Sheriff's Office. That's a good point. Yeah you basically job Go away for just not being from that town. You long way from the city bar. What are you from Big New York City? I seem to have misplaced your your papers wage. Uh, no record of that Boeing being Eva in this jail. We just solved all the crimes in New York city. So then a dirty family from The Grapes of Wrath show up in a pickup truck wage. What are the kids played by Blossom herself? Me and Bialik and then one of the kids tries to take the ball from Billy and Gypsy. So his older brothers and sisters tease him about Pumpkinhead coming and taking him away class hayseed tomfoolery seen I was talking about where I thought the kid was going to throw the ball into the road and the dog was going to get hit by a car. They do a good job of pretending that it's the dog who's going to get it? Yeah. Yeah, it was funny cuz we're watching and and Jen Jen and I've seen this plenty of times but like, oh no the dog like, oh thank God. It's just the kid. All right God. I was worried for a second that the dog would would would get run over and then the dirt family is Granddad is inside with Ed and he asks if he's got his feed but ad says Ashish I forgot. So Ed said he'll he'll do them one better. He'll drive the feed right up to the guy's place Cimino all the assholes brother then decides that he has to start driving his bike around 2 because quote unquote he is my brother is the flimsiest of excuses for these two idiots to just go riding around on bikes. You think the younger brother did that throughout his entire life. Oh, absolutely. I think I think everyone makes excuses for drill. That's why Joel is like he is like, oh he's committing tax fraud. I gotta do a 2 that's my brother. You don't have to do everything Joel does man be your own person. Yeah. I think I think Joel people make excuses for Joel for being a shithead cuz they from the beginning the for like the first line out of this of this crew is at Joel's and asshole, but he's dead. A good guy if you get to know them, that's the first thing that somebody says that's never a good sign. Yeah someone and you know what? I feel like you guys have said that about me before the engine. Okay, guys, you get sick. But I mean I could totally tell that he's an asshole like if you don't get to know but once you get the Dome, it's fine me or Joel. Oh, Joel told me that yeah. Yeah, you you never want to you never want to be the guy who is if you get to know him, he's cool. You should just be like, you're cool. You should get that vibe from someone immediate. Yeah. Yeah, cuz if people automatically think your asshole immediately it's probably because you're an asshole, right? You've done something asshole ish. Yeah, then Ed tells Billy to stay in the store with gypsy wagon is gone and not to move and then they're going to once he gets back they'll drive up to the walls his house and drop up to feed. So after Ed leaves Gypsy immediately runs out of the store towards the bikes stability chasing after Gypsy. You're wrong. Rushing past four adults three of which don't think twice about a kid running towards two bikes flying around off-road. Maggie is the only one that tries to stop the boy but she's impossibly slow and can't catch the kid came running like 3/4 his speed of like in like wet cement because like after her knees little boy stopped the others are like Willie Wonka. No, please stop don't ya how long ago there's a key that has rushed past me. I shouldn't have just grabbed them when I had the chance or he's already he's already over there. What am I supposed to do? Come on come some slack man. I'm from the city. We don't exercise their faith knows that yeah, then while his brother just narrowly misses Billy Joel The Asshole crashes into the kit and all the other kids all rushed to attend to Billy but Joel packs up his bike puts it back on the truck and drive off with his girlfriend saying that he's been drinking and they would they would fry basically they they let him Thrive they call if they waited for the cops. So Joel drives off in his car with his girlfriend job. Then Steve Jones brother goes to the store to see if that is there and comes back when he does find them. So Steve tells the rest of them to go to the cabin and call for help and he'll wait for Ed to come back. So the others drive off and shortly after Ed comes back girl waiting beside Billy's dead body and takes Billy's body without saying a word Steve tries to tell him that it was an accident and gives him the biggest debts there of all time. I love Steve just gives them the glasses. Thank you man will make it all better right? We're cool. Sorry about your son buy off your total accident. See you later. I got to go party Maggie and Tracy make the cabin to find Joel and Kim there but they haven't called for Help The Tracey goes to use the phone and Joel pulls the phone cord out of the wall and takes her keys from her Kim says that Joel is on probation from previous accident. He'd go to jail if they called the cops. Maybe he should just stop driving maybe get her license taken away is the eighties you take a game. Play a kid's car. That's like taking away his manhood. Hm. Yeah, you gotta be able to cut off while you're right. Yeah, that's his god-given American right to drink and drive. All right boys will be boys. He's a one hundred percent of boys will be boys guy. He's a Saturdays are for the boys. Oh, oh, yeah, totally totally watches Barstool. He would not give you just follow them cuz he loves them doesn't hate follow him. Right? He would have given El Presidente run for his money after July eleventh the manhandling Tracy Chris punches him right in the face and takes keys and roll that is more than I thought Chris was prepared to do. Yeah. I didn't think anyone would raise their hands to Joel right? I thought he's the alpha male dog challenges him. Everyone just kind of towers like oh, what are we going to do? Well, there's more of you than him just overpower him. Yeah, and you'll be Chris rise to the occasion and gets sucker-punched or like hit with the black. At the back of the head, right? Yeah, so we after all this we find out Joel's he's kind of a bitch. Yeah sucker-punching guys. Mmm. Yep takes the keys from Joel. The one Chris doesn't look like it's Chris in the back of the head with the log luckily not killing him but knocking him out in probably causing brain damage then Ed gets in his truck takes the feet and Billy's body through the walls Family House walls Choice giving money for the feed. But Ed tells them that he'll give it to them for free if he tells them where we can find. Someone Wireless has no interest and said sends out a way even after Ed tells them what happened to Billy said goes to leave Wallace's Granderson stops him and tells Edward he knows where to find the person he's looking for. So it tells them to get in the truck and the categories but he says the only takes take Ed so far to Steve makes it back to the cabin and finds a drill has now locked Tracy and Chris in the back room and has barricaded the door closed Joel demands to know what he told Ed and Steve just tells him that he told Ed that it was an accident but add looked like he wants to kill him. While Ed makes it as far as the wall is keep is willing to go in the kid hops out and then tells them where to go. So then edheads through the woods with with Billy's body and finds an old woman in Cabin by the name of Haggis. Bring her the body of Billy and she tells him that she cannot raise the dead tries to bring her and offering but she tells him there's nothing she can do for him. What do you think? She's kind of good Necromancer. Well, I think movies need more of these kinds of set-pieces. It's such a good layout like the hermit Hut in the middle of the swamp sure it looks so good and the inside the cabin is so cool, man. You got the skulls dripping candles the different bottles. It's like potions or like medicinal stuff possibly the the which looks cool. It's just it's such a good setting. Yeah. I love it so much. It's one of my favorite parts of the movie that and the Pumpkin Patch are my favorites. I love that set. Yeah, so she tells them. Then what he wants comes with the price. She tells him to go to a certain graveyard with a shovel and dig up something and bring it back. He'll know what the dig up when he finds it. So Ed goes out to the graveyard and finds a large unnatural looking down in the middle of the graveyard cover an old pumpkins. She climbs up any things around until he finds a body the size of small child in movies when they tell you like go here. You'll know when you see it. Am I the only one who feels like I would not know. Yes, it's super you would like is that I don't know if that's it and you would just go to like some random spot. Yeah. I had to be like, I'd think I my phone take a picture was like, is this it off to send it? Yeah. Oh my God this fucking guy again. Yeah, I do that with my wife. My wife will be like, can you go downstairs and get me this like this jacket but not this jacket this jacket and I'll be like, all right. I completely heard what you said, but I'm still going to fuck this up. I'll take a picture of like, is this the one? Yes, that's it. I do it all the time and especially with directions like oh, you know go down and down. See this building and you'll know. All right, and it's like a generic building. I guess that's it. I'm going to go there with this set-piece. It is pretty obvious. But even in my head off, I don't know. I mean that just could be there just by accident. Yeah might not be what I need. I'm going to keep looking and I'd be gone you would not you would never see me again. I'm assuming that the really nice unexplained thing is that the witch or whatever we're calling our knows that he knows the legend so he would know what to look for out there. I think what they didn't get across. Well is that she like read minds is probably not exactly what I'm looking for. But she like knows his name. He tells her his name actual. Oh, he does Oh, I thought she just started saying it. Okay, and then I completely wipes out most of my God for their theory. He he does tell her that he's heard like Legends. Okay, that's why he's there cuz he's heard things since he was a boy wage. That her ability to do whatever so I would write back in I would have loved if there was like a cut like are you you'll know when you see it and he kind of goes out for a little bit and then cuts off he comes he comes back to the shovel. Can you be more specific please? I have no idea what I'm looking for. Right go to the pumpkin patch. There's this big mound of fucking dirt. You'll see you'll see it. Okay, thank you where there's like the fact that like a huge like headstones like, oh that must be it. It gets like three feet down and he sees like the the Mounds was like probably meant that then she God damn it off. He goes to the graveyard and finds an unnatural looking man in the middle of the graveyard cover an old pumpkins. So he digs around finds body small child. We check back in with the kids and the cabin Tracy and Chris are still locked in the bathroom. Steve continues to plead with Joel to do the right thing even tells him he'll say it was his bike. They hit the kid Joel menacingly sits there with a rifle and I love had Tracy threatens Castro wage. And on like casually like we get out of here cutting his balls off or whatever. She says no the one girl who's just sitting there the entire Time Magazine. Yeah. Yeah terrible terrible character. I hope they didn't tell her to do that. You know that she was at living it the other way around. I hope that she wasn't home yet. But that's what they told her to do. Cuz that that's so bad. It's such a throwaway character. There is probably too too many care like kids in it just because they haven't given every but like even Joel's girlfriend is completely useless, right? Yeah. They're just like cannon fodder essentially. But yeah, she she just supposed to be he's cool. And so he would have the hot girl. Yeah car with them, but I don't see if she's not going to show her boobs in her. She is completely pointless in it. And I don't mean that as like it was like sexual that's that's really that's really that role, right? Yeah. Yep. Supposed to be the like impossibly cool couple. Yeah who have been doing it forever? Yeah, and they just you know, they're Wild and Free essentially. Yeah, they would if this was a rated movie, they would have fucked in like the like the bathroom of the General Store while everybody else was doing like getting supplies. Yeah, essentially early as soon as they get to the the cabin, right they would have been doing but like once you take that away, it's like, okay. Well, she's just standing around. That's all right. Just essentially you're just waiting to die. Yeah. They're just there to up the the body right Ed brings dug up back to haggis and she does a ritual takes blood from Ed and Billy and then pours it in with some hot water into the mouth of the corpse corpse starts to move and had passes out when he awakens haggis tells him that he could go now is complete and the what's done is done is I think essentially what she says, you're still here buddy. Wake up. You gotta go. You gotta suck. Out of here, so he's drives off and has a vision of his son waking up asking him. What did he do? And then at the cabin Maggie walks off outside Steve goes after her telling Joel he has to do the right thing and he's gotta do it now. So Steve goes outside and talks with Maggie and tries to calm her down and then meanwhile Ed goes to talk to his wife's grave and I think I missed this he's is he about the Berry Billy there? Yes, cuz I am a shovel. Yeah and then like now because that's when Pumpkin Head Starts that's only takes Steve. Yeah. Yep. So he goes to his wife's grave and tells her what he did and what happened to Billy or Steve gets picked up and dropped by Pumpkinhead as Maggie looks on horrified and Ed has a psychic connection pumpkin head and sees what's going on and back of the cabin Maggie comes running back into the cabin to tell everyone that something has happened to Steve Jobs and Joel and Chris get shot guns and go out searching for him at this point. Chris and Tracy have been let out of the back room. So they find some of his bloody clothes but no Steve so they run back into the cabin and then Maggie then this is dead. Very repetitive moment. It was like they go out of the cab and they come back in they go out and they come back in so that Maggie runs out of cabin now and Pumpkinhead drop Steve around on the porch and then grabs Maggie instead and Pumpkinhead is a big fan of just grabbing you and taking you up into the trees. Yeah, that's like his go to move. He gets a little creative but he's got that that's his like main that's just go to write the Demonic boss man. I just loved the fact that the kids all react as though we would react like, there's no like rush to grab her the polar down. It's just like oh shit with the right choice. That's how we would all legitimate. Well you react in that situation. I feel like that's what you guys would do to me like, oh, no Dan. Oh, well, we should have grabbed him. Oh, well, you don't you don't see me cuz I don't like camera and I'm like lately reaching out. Yeah, so it just like alligator arms me, you know, I saw a birth Right, is it one of those Comics that I saw of the people eating out with an alligator? And he's like, oh guys I get the check but exactly yeah, I would have helped them but my arm, you know, sorry pumpkin has just like for insurance purposes. It's gravity that kills you write. It was me. I mean God she shouldn't have been climbing the tree tell you so the hell trying to save him right? Then Maggie goes running to the house and meanwhile Ed is having visions of all of this. So Ed goes back, I guess and tells her she needs to call it off because he's feeling all of it and he doesn't want it to happen this way. She tells him that there's nothing she can do and he says he'll stop it. He'll kill it and she tells him he'll die off. That's my favorite lottery for Hendricks and he's such a great actor in this he overeat he over acts a few scenes, but and it's so good. Yeah. That's my favorite line reading off. It's also such a like such a quick turn of a character, right? Yeah, I want to kill these assholes. Oh my God, I made a huge mistake. It happens like a scene. Yeah. What's unclear is it is it just because he's feeling it like he like cuz not only is it's like he's also feeling the adverse effects of it. So is it is like is it like morals like man? I really wish I hadn't just sick this thing on his kids like or is it I wanted to kill it but I didn't want to have any repercussions essentially. That's kind of a neat. I think that's what it is. I mean if I had known I would feel it. I probably wouldn't have done it and and that makes me even worse a person. I didn't know I was going to have any problems going to be them. So back of the cabin Steve has died and Pumpkinhead pushes. Maggie's head through a window. That's a cool kill. Yeah. It's pretty creepy when he smashes her face against the glass wage. He's very ever-present which is kind of cool cuz it's just something you don't usually see. Yes. He's exactly where he needs to be at the right time. So Kim faints Joel grabs, a machete wage goes outside and screams out for pumpkin head to take him but pumpkins has nowhere to be found until Joel heads back inside and comes face-to-face with Pumpkinhead. Whose about to grab Kim Joel tries to attack pumpkin head with a machete. I can head grabs his arm and tosses him away taking came outside with him, Joe goes outside and Chris and Tracy find him. So they go looking for Kim. They find her about fifty feet up a tree would pump head. I just dropped off through a large Iraq killing here pretty good solid solid kill efficient. Yeah. There was a slight moment where I thought Joe was going to catch her. Yeah. He'll come on later hit the ground again. She just serves her purpose of dying. Yeah. He wasn't going to fucking close. He was like forty feet away from her still wage. Let's go for he does he does run he does dash for her like, oh I'm coming in. This plat must not have that much. Yeah. I wonder if it's like, oh God that thing just kind of did me a favor you break up with her anyway on a right, right? Oh Pumpkinhead bastard, son of a bitch. Yes pumpkin heads just a fishing like no four plays. Like I'm just going to take you to the store last train to drop your ass on this rock, right? He he's working with what he has around him. Like he could probably just snap your neck off. Well, we got this big old Club, but he's like, yeah, this is more theatrical, right? He has a taste with yeah. Yeah Pumpkinhead was definitely a theater kid, you know, it's like you guys would whoops Butterfingers. Sorry. Do you think they should have done the he should have done some classic one-liners. Have a nice fall then they go off. To the woods looking for help. It shows up at the cabin shotgun in hand and find Steve's body. I mean while the kids are nowhere to be found cuz they're off in the woods. They find a cabin knock on the door for help, but there's no answer. They come off the truck that they're about to try and steal but the owner fires a warning shot and tells them to leave they asked him for his help but he says he can't because they're marked at that moment when he says they're marked Pumpkinhead shows up in the former runs off, you know, they were marked. That's a good question word gets around quick their population of eight right three miles away from civilization from your next your next door neighbor, but you know send Karo mujhe ye just well, you know, I summon Pumpkinhead stay indoors signed Ed. Just an FYI o h o a newsletter should go that had so I forget the next meaning of 7:30 on Tuesday half-off produce at my shop. So Pumpkinhead is about to attack but a shot rings out and it said Harley with his shotgun fires a few shots on Pumpkinhead and it falls down. So Joel goes up to it and fires a few more shots into it and declares a dead then pop your head immediately grabs droll by the foot knocks them down then gets up grabs trolls rifle and impales them on it through the gut other efficient kill. That's pretty cool. Yeah and tracing Chris run off. So I start by VIN with pumpkin head pretty hard psychically the farmer's dog attack said and Pumpkinhead acts accordingly as if he got attacked by a dog. So at this point you kind of realized there's something going on 1211 that dude's pumpkin headed at Harley. Also the Pumpkinhead is increasingly looking more and more like Lance Henriksen every seat. I noticed that too, right? Yeah. I think that's on purpose I yes because and is becoming less of Ed and moral Pumpkinhead every scene. He becomes like he they psychically linked more and more. Yeah. It's almost like a more wage. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so they run off and Chris and Tracy knock on Wallace's door and go ignored But Bundt Wallace's grandkids sneaks out and tells Chris and Tracy that he's going to try and help them wage. So he takes them to an abandoned church. This is where he explained sort of the lure of the town and kind of of pumpkin head and the whole situation like to tell him that they accidentally killed Billy. So but basically puts it all together cuz he knows that and took Billy to find a witch and then Pumpkinhead shows up. So they run off Chris asks, but to take them to where they parked their car and then Ed knocks on Wallace's door and walls tells Harley to leave can out of this can that's a word that's not used anymore. I know I also use holler, which I'm very big fan of the word holler. Yeah. I mean that's again you don't you don't hear these things. This we should bring these back. I don't mean holler as in like yell. I mean holler as in like a point of reference. I love holler. I I hope one day that I live near a holler. I could say that oh, oh. The holler now is that after you ride the rails? Yeah, I would think so. Okay to get to the holler. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Just pick up, you know with my bindle ride the rails off myself a holler and settle down get some Hogs be perpetually dirty. Yes. That's the life for you dude. Yeah. I I want to be like Wallace. I want to be like nine kids in the bedroom sharing a bed you get when you introduce people to York in yeah in this year's my can Little Anthony big money the life man as a good life. You can stop by when you're riding around your ice cream truck my seventies ice cream truck, you know, I am still do get some hair in the back of my head. I could grow a sick pony tail. Maybe grow it out man that oh, yeah, man, I want to achieve maximum creepiness birth. Some Ridge some rich usually the creepiest character ever put to film it only showed up for four more Phantasm movies. Oh he knew where his bread was buttered man, Thursday. The kitchen is wagging to that start Chris Tracy and buns make it to their truck but has already been destroyed by pumpkin head. So Chris tries to jump on one of the bikes but pumpkin has torn off the chain then pick up the bike with Chris on it and tosses him into a ditch. What a weird thing for the for pumpkin head to do like knowing what a bike chain does. Yeah. Oh you need looking for this. Yeah. It's a little town. It's not quite consistent. He's a mechanic all of a sudden everyone around us doesn't know what a motorcycle is, but I do right. I've never once seen any of these things, but I know exactly what this does and how important it is to this object. It makes this thing go vroom vroom. So but steaks Tracy and they run off into the woods and they run directly into Ed Harley who shows up so long Into his truck and they drive off and he takes them to their his house. It takes months and Tracy to his house and he prepares for the final showdown with pumpkin head including getting a goddamn flamethrower. This is so he might introduce us a name beginning just because checkouts can basically, you know, it really is a wind up doing anything though. Right? Well immediately takes it off. Yeah, cuz he's possessed essentially but I think at home and the girl uses it traced to use that I think yeah. Yeah. I thought she should have burned both bodies, but right but I guess you can't do that to Lance Henriksen, right? You gotta you gotta see him as long as you possibly can and he did that. They're going to be a sequel in the sequel. I don't know. I'm just making a joke. Oh, okay. Gotcha sequel. There are three sequels off. Yeah at the same time. There is a difference between burning Pumpkinhead and burning the man that you just shot to True. Ethically not realizing that somebody's going to birth. For him back in the pumpkin patch, you know, right? Yeah. They don't know how that works. You don't burn the body of the guy who you shocked Witnesses. Yeah. That is the only thing that is destroying evidence in a capital offense case. I probably shouldn't burn the body of opinion of this guy. So now Tracy is serving 30 years wage. We you keep saying that a demon murdered all these people yet. There's no bodies and you admit you were the one that shot him know he told me to do it right off of it. I've known Ed Harley for 45 years never kill want to kill himself and you murdered his son. I didn't tell anyone about it. Sure. Yeah, the the evidence is very damaging Joel. You say killed him, but I don't see any Joel here. Sheriff says, he hasn't had Joel in his cell ever either where the bodies Man traces in jail for a long time where she deserves to be by the way, I don't know if that's true at all. I mean, we don't know anything about her you take a life. You should at least see them in court. I agree with that. Yeah. Well, she's she's also got all those Souls captured on her camera. So that's true. She goes to jail for that. Not for the murders. I see long as it's satanic device here exhibit a Jana this trap Soul capturing device now. I'm just a simple Southern lawyer off. I love this down. Yeah. I mean you're off the grid essentially. Yeah, so wind inside the house picks up and head starts to lose Consciousness and Gypsy starts growling at home and Pumpkinhead shows up and pulls bumped out of a closet-sized go white as the psychic connection grows and becomes more Pumpkinhead than Ed it starts to head out of his barn, but then gets caught on a pitchfork that which then breaks the control. Pumpkinhead, so Ed figures out how to stop pumpkin head and shuffles over to his truck grabs a gun out of the glove department and puts a bullet into his own head Pumpkinhead collapses as as does ADD, but then they both wake up as not quite sure that they both Pumpkinhead grabs Chris who somehow still alive and gets ready to kill him. So Tracy picks up a gun and then shoot said again and Pumpkinhead dies and then she sets fired a pumpkin head and then they go away and then haggis is then seen burying a body back where had found Pumpkinhead. It's wearing the necklace Billy made. So the assumption is that Ed is now the new Pumpkinhead and we cut the credits of the movie Pumpkinhead. It's a lot of fun. It's a solid movie. It's a breezy an hour and 30 minutes gets ran it picks up and for another 60 Minutes. It tells nice tight story right and most of the time especially with horror movies leading up to it, obviously with you know Nightmare on Elm Street Halloween song. And Friday the 13th. The killers were all out for Revenge, but here the Killer is not necessarily out for Revenge. It's the father who is out for Revenge you you get a different spin on the whole Revenge killing where it's essentially the hero accidentally brings this evil into the world for revenge and kind of goes back on it. You never really gave that in any other horror movie. Like you said, it's a tight story. It's well-acted. Obviously, it's a little corny at times and a little over over-acting here and there but everyone's so solid in this movie for the most part was an asshole Ed Harley as a very sympathetic character played very well by Lance Henriksen. Everyone does their part in this movie and the kills are pretty creative pumpkin head looks great. The set pieces are phenomenal. I would definitely recommend as Anthony said this is a perfect beginners horror movie. It's rated R, but there's hardly any cursing is dead. There's no nudity very little blood and it's it's a good movie to get. You know, I'm not saying parents go show your ten-year-old this movie right now, but you know if you deem it necessary if you if you're cool with it, I think it's a good start. Yeah, like one of my first horror movies was like a Nightmare on Elm Street. I don't remember 5 or something or like Jason Goes to Hell was one of the early ones like those are much more intense than this movie. This movie is safe for an 11 or 12 year old. I'm surprised it's an R because there's not much I feel like home they could have gotten away with a PG-13 if they probably like brought the swearing down, I guess I don't even remember it being that filthy of a I mean, I guess like is it the I guess it's the it's kind of violent but it's not like super violent know you like again, no one's head is being ripped off. No one's being disemboweled. Well, there's no guts in it. I think the most violent death is is dead. Joel I don't show it to Gunn through them or whatever. Yeah, and you know blood not even very bloody right? It's not even that graphic. It's very surprising. Yeah. Just thinking about a surprise them are I probably feel I probably wrote that in my article when I wrote it about a three years ago to this movie it will serve its purpose. I think it should be more well known in terms of 80s horror movies and maybe that's why I kind of hit cult status. It wasn't super over-the-top gory or anything like that. Yeah, man. I liked this movie a lot. I'm glad that my wife picked it off and yeah go see this movie. Is there anything you would do to make it better? Yeah. Like I said, I kind of wish Joel would have been one of the last surviving people just to kind of see the rest of his friends died. I feel like that's more of a it's a better Revenge, right? If you're like Midway through killed cuz then the other people kind of have to suffer and they really didn't do anything. They were just bystanders dead. Even if Joe gets killed as she's figuring out how to solve the situation right? I agree. I think that would have been better and he dies a pretty gruesome way. I like the way he he gets impaled by the shotgun. Yeah, because he has one final moment of arrogance. Yeah. That's very true. I also feel like the ending was a little anti-climactic in a way where he just kind of offs himself. I don't know how I would have ended it though, maybe a little battle between Ed and Pumpkinhead where maybe Palm you heads trying to stop him from killing himself. Maybe Tracy does have to kind of pull the trigger on the phone or whatever but he's in the grasp of Pumpkinhead and Tracy just kind of has to do that. She doesn't want to kill him but she does it anyway. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, other than that, I mean, I mean, I love the way this movie looks it's super creepy. The atmosphere is awesome. You don't get these kind of movies that anymore. It's cool with me. Yeah. The only thing I would change is what we had talked about earlier is maybe come down. One or two of the teenagers or young adults in this movie and maybe stretch out the deaths a little bit more. You don't make them as rapid fire as they are in the beginning when they start dying off having to less people would allow you to spread it out a little bit more maybe the brother goes missing and they're searching for him for longer than they actually do sort of thing. That's about all I would change is everything else about this movie is a great. I'm glad I watched it. It's one thing. I don't like in somebody slashers movies is when it starts becoming rapid fire because you don't have time to watch the characters and maybe this movies. I wanted to watch Joel suffer a little bit more as the people around them are dying because of him, but you don't have time for them to react. Maybe that's just me like I want to see them trying to think it through and figure out what's going on or how to escape it while they're getting picked off one by one. Yeah, let it breathe a little bit. Yeah, and it says I know the bit about me wanting movies be longer. I'm not even saying that it's just like even keep Same length cut down a little bit more that backwood stuff in this, you know, keep the same length or shorter, but just let the the horror part of this The Killing Spree part breathe a little bit off of this movie too. I don't know what I would do to make it better. I think two or the characters in a little Superfluous so you could probably get them out of there. I feel like they could have tried to make this PG-13 to kind of make that that kind of Step Stone into into horror for kids twelve thirteen years old, but I feel like it should be that like, like if feels like this should be that that movie already know what I would cut so I really can't say that cuz I think this would be a PG-13 already. Other than that or you go full are but I don't want this movie to be an R rating. I like that fact that this is a this is basically a borderline PG-13 movie. So that's what I was going to say. I think this movie shows that you can have an effective horror movie and not dead. Rated R. A lot of horror movies today suffer from a PG-13 rating sure, you know, you're not really going to get quality scares or quality death scenes in horror movies today again, unless you get like The Conjuring rated R. Like Paranormal Activity was rated R. I believe that was a pretty good horror movie. But yeah, I mean it's kind of few and far between because obviously they want they want the general audience to come in and see it. But yeah this movie exemplifies, you don't really need the gore to be ineffective monster movie. Yeah. The only thing I was thinking of with the rating is just remind me when he does the shoot himself thing. Is there a shot of him actually putting the gun to his head cuz that could have been something they knocked it for so and make it and he what he pulls the trigger. He pulls the trigger off screen, but he does put it he puts the gun to his Temple and they cut away and then you hear The Gunshot I could see somebody on that Council maybe, you know saying them. 1 teenagers to see that sort of thing. I mean, like I said, it's a PG-13 was very new compared to the other ratings at that point. Yeah, there's always those kind of like weird rules within rating systems of things. You can and can't show like like The Walking Dead you could shoot zombies in the head all you want but you couldn't shoot a a human in the head stuff like that. It's like just so arbitrary. Yeah. It's even like cartoons. You can't show bullets. It has to be lasers. Yeah. What was that GI Joe GI Joe X-men Spider-Man. I think I think Batman the Animated Series had bullets though regardless, but yeah, like Wolverine couldn't use his claws on anyone but robots, so he was essentially useless. Yeah, I think that's going to wrap it up. You guys got any final words before we go into our plugs know, like I said, I hope this podcast gives you reason to watch this movie and if you watch it, I hope wage. Joy it I agree with Dan. Yeah, almost exactly just I hope you know, even if you seen this movie may be listening to us talk about it and just makes you go. Hey, maybe I should show my friends or my family this not just keep it to myself cuz yes, I do agree with add that it should be more forget which one of you said at this movie should be more well-known than it actually is and maybe listening to us because you were like, oh, I remember that movie maybe Spurs that maybe we can have a thing where this podcast like randomly they announce tomorrow that they're making a Blu-ray version of pumpkin head if that doesn't already exist essentially go for the Stan Winston creature and the atmosphere you stay for the shirtless Lance Henriksen sexy Lance Henriksen. Yeah. All right guys won't plug your shit. 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Time Capsule Episode 274

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Time Capsule Episode 274

"Hi this is time. Capsule episode to seventy four and. I'm tony tomato. My name is marlene forte. And you are listening to tie. Talk with tony as google on. All this is terry good kind number one new york times bestselling author of the sort of truth. Jerry's hi this is jewish state. My name is alex parnevik. I played julius on van. Helsing major francis monitoring and ordering to i talk. I'm clan grant right hawk. My name is calling salmon. i played shape. One resident evil high speed speeder deluise from twenty one jump street and the director of many episodes of stargate st one also from seaquest and the more recent sanctuary and blood ties. And you're listening to sifi dog. You get more sifi. Talk for your by talk dollars. Would face off now in. Full swing in season eleven. I've compiled three separate interviews with the series judges and also the host. And she is mackenzie west more. Who when we were talking about the guest judges. She shared some interesting star trek memories and one of the signature. Things that the show is you have guessed ours and right once coming up lavar burton. Oh yeah burn them and he he's known me since i was eight years old. He's watched me grow up. I mean he really did. Give me my nickname. Mac amber the star trek cage day and all of a sudden. I hear coming from across the station. I wouldn't let people call me that. I didn't like it. And then when he said it was like okay. This is this is. I'm cool with is now. Now it's okay jordy says it's alrighty now that's exactly call me back. I'm good with that. One speaking briefly on next generation. I think some of the make up your father did really just stretch the boundaries of the star trek anniversary far as aliens and i was really amazed that when he came up with for. That show. It really was groundbreaking. We all were actually a family. It was a family thing is down and watched it every weekend. And i used to love it as a kid growing up. You bring his work home you know. He he took star trek primarily to stay home because he was doing so many movies was traveling. The world all the time and really didn't get the whole heck of a lot of time with my brother and my sister. And i and you buckle down one day and taking the series and this and that not be home now so i should be part of the process of creating a lot of those aliens even down to the The courtesy and he actually was sculpting and our dining room. When hey wish my mom loves and getting clay and stuff everywhere. And he's such away for a little bit and i walked in and started sticking stuff on it and started messing with the klang as any father did. He walked in he went. Wow i love it staying. Use the code. Today was my handiwork. Is a kid going in messing with his life. that's great that's a little little little star trek trivia. they're absolutely glenn hedrick. One of the celebrated judges on the series. We talked about using digital makeup mixed in with conventional makeup or even substituting for conventional makeup and as far as You know your your own work you know there. There's a lot of movies and shows are now using digital techniques to change people's faces and things. How is that working out with traditional makeup. Are they coexisting right now. Our is one trying to overtake particularly digital trying to overtake the conventional makeup. Well we are sort of coexisting and so it is something that you have to understand. I've worked with on and so from a concept meeting start. You really have to be able to the affects artist in terms of immigration. I don't necessarily think it's the right decision a lot of times. But it's a fact of life at this point and what a lot of people don't understand she g. effects that really. That bad is hiding the money that they have to what they're doing and it only gets too good. Cg to the speed of processes and engine just isn't there yet it doesn't look like reality. We'll someday doesn't know but that doesn't mean that it's not used in the reason that it's used for the most part is you gotta see company. That's working on a program via television or film and they're doing x. y. and z. era. They're doing all The extent they're doing all of the crowd replication and the replicating background actors. And all of these. Things are becoming matter of fact Standard operating because of the amount of time that it sees production on the day. She's got a a day where you have your lead eat your makeup but the he cut is doing all the background artists and all these set extensions so everything is going through. Direct input returned digital anyway. Then when you have a question of all right well we make up Fifa tentacle shoots out of his arm and we send who. Yes the colour. Yes we'll take a lot of time. Probably you get to the former with your actor will today. Productions are forcing. it's always a director. It's just it's money choice being you know. We're going do moretti. Set up green that. You're in your gene shops in the scene. And so we can't spend an entire day on the unit headings tentacled and around so it becomes digital affecting which we have to figure out. What does that mean for. We're doing you know foot two of the tentacle to come off the shoulder so that it integrates the actor. Hurry naturally over from there or it's about finding that balance with them and it's unfortunate there's a lot of really cool things it should be done surgically but we are no longer allowed the time to do on day. It's also about about time on the date that it takes to do. These things physically. Wow yeah it's it's a whole nother. World in technology is all around us. Certainly it's changed everything i do and it's not the same as i was. Yeah i mean you know fifteen twenty years ago if there's transformation that means that the shop is gonna be hiring sunday's thirty people for few months to build it because you're not only building. We'll you're building three or four stages so that's that and you have to copy it. I don and you know so. That's not any hope. There's that many moles and all those jobs just disappear now because we'll start with the actor will probably do. The final wear suits is going to be running around so much. The changing mission will be more than likely unfortunately endel with digital effects so it has a huge impact on the second one of the co judges neville page and we sat down to talk about his designs for the creature in super eight. Really actually when stan winston said it best you really don't design creatures. You really designed character. Yeah in fact. When i'm asked. Are you a creature designer. I prefer to salmon character designer because creature if you think of avatar for example to me creatures. The name creature alludes to something mean and menacing and more monster like an avatar is not that at all as you know so creature is a character and this summer just to give people you designed the the great alien four of the super eight film which was great. It was kind of like e. t. on steroids described that process I i know. Jj can be very demanding as far as a and really pushes his designers yeah. Jj is But the add to the equation that you have steven spielberg also the three of us sitting together and having those to propose to me the concept of what superheroes and adding to it. The fact that it's Supposed to be the most iconic alien that they Have ever seen that. They wanted to be to trump the guy grail in and conceptually. Those are great targets but as a designer. You can only do your level best in the hopes that you'll have an iconic design but it's hard to go into designing something where you're you're going to create a classic geiger did because he's phenomenally talented and and we succeeded. I think doing something unique and time will tell if it has become the the icon we desired. You know the the close up shots and do this brilliantly. This is the way. I'd like to see those types of films. Never show the whole creature metal at once but when you did you're not disappointed and and that starts with the design process but when you when you see his face and just the way the face was done with the eyes and everything was just really very unique in. We never seen that before. Well you know. That's that's to your point about what stan winston said. When you're designing character your your job is to be always mindful of the script of the story and jay was very specific when he was talking about this character. Saying that at the end of the film when it kind of unveils itself reveals at his heart Metaphorically speaking that it's gotta have soul and has got to communicate to the audience. Something really a motive and when you also have to design into creature something that's truly menacing. What what is it that designer does and the answer to that is you have to give it enough range in terms of the aesthetic and its potential performance. The animators at it's their job to then take a static thing that we designed and infused at life india. They did an amazing job coupled with the obvious. Cg integration Rigging waiting all the technical things that go into making it come alive textures. But the the sound design so good in the film and you take that and it married to the script and the narrative. Moments it really. Is this Some of all parts. Amazing moment i mean i. I had shivers. When i saw it. Because i waited too to not see as many final moments in film so i can experience it as a as an audience member. And it's great when i can beat the tach and have that same moment of just. I wanted to have that experience for welling up again a gummy few times based on that design. I think from a from watching star trek. I think you had a hand in the snow creature. I did you saw similarities and i take a style. It's you know it's interesting because it's something that i would like people to actually not recognize and it's an interesting debate that we as have if you're an illustrate the thing you're working on talking about neil at traditional illustrator you want work on developing your personal style. But as a commissioned artist hired to work on somebody else's film whether it be jj's or james cameron's. I try as much as i can to not have my style come through because it's not about me. It's about them getting what they want. And i'm essentially there are. And i honor them so when i hear people say i hear it all the time so clearly. I'm not succeeding. That they say. I saw super. That looks so much like a novel creatures. Dammit i've i've not job but then i think to myself with regards to like john williams Doing the soundtrack or steve. Gibb lonski skiing. Or you know the list goes on and on you know their style and and that's okay too. So it gives me comfort to think that i recognize a job liam soundtrack but what is i. Think a little unfortunate with regards to it being so recognizable. Because i've heard that critique of the super creature is very much like cloverfield and a rehash of the subaru of the star trek creator. I get to see these things side by side in my studio and look at them going. Okay ask my business partner. Scott these look alike my not seeing something and when you see them side by side they do not look alike. Really you see the style brandon snowboarding. That but when you don't get to see in separate is really the full. Reveal the creature because again it's not about the creature tw about the story it's about the cans and in cloverfield. You don't really get a chance to see the creature enough space but what happens is my particular style is what is coming through so it does somehow make an audience member. I can't argue that an audience members in the seat and go that feels like a j.j. Abrams never page collaboration. There's nothing wrong with that. Because certainly you ray. Harry hasn't had style exactly if i could be even just outside of the same room as those guys. I'm proud of it. All of these separate interviews are available in the sci-fi talk podcast feet. There's more time capsule so stay tuned. let's get back to time. Capsule on the sf t podcast network. Recently i had an opportunity to attend interactive live. Show that wild women of planet wando here in new york city. I spoke to dave oregon one of the creators of the show. And here's part of our conversation. First of all. I enjoyed my wife and i enjoyed the heck out of this show. We had a great time. How did this all come together. I guess the start with the idea it so while the planet longo was conceived by Myself ben. Buick and steve mac. It's actually ben. And i were old writing partners and then i wanted to create a musical and i kind of threw an idea. Dan and e e Quickly came up with the basic concept for the plot and then We didn't really know how to write a play. So we wrote some songs that we sought out playwrights. These mckesson and then Steve knew about a workshop. That was happening at the university of michigan so we contacted them and through the idea. Dominant said all. Yeah we love. That idea wants you guys write that and we'll do it so he said fantastic so so we did it and we did a university of michigan. At that time it was a our traditional musical play where people sitting in the audience and it was presented by by students but even back then even at that first time we did it. We started noticing that some of the friends of the actors were showing up in like outer space. He costumes so so it. Kind of generated an idea from the very beginning that hey this could be a little bit more interactive. We submitted in your fear festival is done. They're done a number of places including other eventually on at the red barn theatre key west florida but again it was always sort of traditional show and then i saw a few years ago. I went to see the show sleep. No more than manhattan which is If you don't know what that is it's a it's a immersive show where it's in a warehouse There's about fifty actors running around Six floors apparently semi based on basil. Though i've never quite understood that connection but nevertheless it's all your they they they touch you move around and drag you into rooms and you know as an audience member. You're completely absorbed in this thing for several hours so it it kind of sparked a there's been other i've seen other things instead but seen sleep. No more kind of sparked the idea for me about wong that really you know the combination. The fact that we'd already seen people react in and out of iraqi haw are as long ago and then the fact that we really could be doing it as an immersive. Play where you where we build plan watteau and the audience was part of it. Just made sense to me so i went back to buy two riding partners. And i said hey. Let's let's rethink this Let's make it simple at shorter and and more More about all the audience interaction. And that's what we did last year. Two thousand fifteen I decided to produce it. I never produced anything before. But i said what the hell so I found a great space brooklyn. Bushwick we did it there for months. we got a lot of notice. Your times actually came very cool and and You know it was sort of a a I shot and see what it will but it was in the people liked it. People did like it. We decided that. Made sense to move into manhattan and i was fortunate enough to connect with parkside lounge on the house in st Where we started playing every wednesday Back in september two thousand sixteen and then as the As christmas time got closer they came back and said you know. It's doing very well when we moved to the weekend. So that's where we are right and Is there a. is there an end date. Are you guys going to be playing for awhile on weekends. We are gonna. We're actually right now clinton every other weekend which is a little confusing our audience. Frankly people never sure which we were playing. So we're actually in some discussion right now about that right now. We are We're we're playing. We are contracted to play through. March the eighteenth the weekend of of saint patrick's day and then after that it's a little up in the air but There is definitely discussion. Going around about about Continuing on some fashion ad. Also doing it every week rather than ever now. is this a set. Cast or does the cast rotate. It's changed several of about three of the people in the show now for four people in the show now were in the brooklyn version but One of them had dropped out for a while and came back. And you. it's definitely rotated casper. Were always always bringing in new actors and You know people can only do so much so so We we're we're we're lucky to have the amount the amazing talent that we do and i'm happy to have had a several of the of the actors stick with us for a while but we're we're Periodically find new people to determine sure and How how did the casting process work from this just Mostly just put out in the ads on backstage playbill Traditional theater casting process where You know initially when we didn't brooklyn we put out a casting call. We got had a three hundred responses which was amazing And you know these days with youtube and You know a lot of building to watch Figs online. I was actually my director and choreographer. I looked at as many of those. We couldn't before we met people made sure we were there. Were some women who wants me and then we narrowed that down to about one hundred people who met with and then eventually chose eight And some of the people that we didn't use the first time around but we really liked the lot nevertheless we actually asked to come back later. Another version so there's been some cool. The music i i was really pleasantly surprised. It was really is really kind of a toe tapping score in. How did that originate. I mean that's to do a play is one thing but to do a musical. That's a whole nother animal. I i wrote the. I'm i'm the composer on so thank you And i've written a number of musicals. Warm is actually my first. But you know. I think it's been an interesting challenge to do a musical as an immersive play. There aren't a lot of them. There's one right now on broadway. Called the tasha guarantee greg car which is structured a different way than us We are really free flow. You know every week. You never know what's going to happen or who's been saying. Why are someone's going to stand in your way. You gotta move the the actress running across the ruben subtleties. Someone is there. Didn't expect to be there. They gotta move them out of the way or worried or include them in the show out so that's was an. I wasn't sure how that was all going to work if they were singing songs. Because that's not really Have there been other things like tony. Tina's wedding for example. Pretty well pretty well known one but they weren't. They weren't performing songs like we are at dansk routines so there was a lot more improv. Going with that. This is much more structured situation so it was challenged. We weren't sure how has been work but it works You know somehow or other. The cast never loses their their focus. Ablaze said they know where they are usually remember the lyrics. And it's all fine you know so so it's worked. It's worked out all right. I also the show you know. It's it's about half as long as what it originally was we. We kind of we a lot of songs out of it to make it simpler and easier to understand and also we had game shows like i saw that so so it so it's now You know it's not as it's not as complicated musicals originally was we try to keep it simple. Their website is planet. Wando dot com. You can get tickets. And that is time capsule episode to seventy four. I'm tony tomato. Thanks so much for listening. Hi i'm vm. Zito author of the return match you. Check out at the return. Man dot com. And you're listening to sifi talk.

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Alien Autopsy: Fact or Fiction Hoax (GT Mini)

Ghost Town

13:17 min | 11 months ago

Alien Autopsy: Fact or Fiction Hoax (GT Mini)

"Support for this podcast comes from state farm with surprisingly great rates. State farm is the real deal when it comes to home and car insurance state farm agents are in your neighborhood ready to help personalize your insurance and you can manage your coverage, pay your bill or even file a claim right from your phone with the state farm mobile APP visit State Farm Dot com today to get a great rate without sacrificing great service that state farm dot. com. When you want the real deal like a good neighbor state farm is there an Alien up-close I'm Rebecca lead I'm Jason Horton and this Ghost Town Independence Day is just a movie. Now evidence that may prove aliens exist they saw was not from this world alien autopsy factor fiction, Sunday? On August. Twenty. Eighth Nineteen Ninety Five Fox TV broadcasted a program called alien autopsy fact or fiction do you remember that I? Do it was one of those weird it Kind of reminded me of the AL capone volt with. Era that's right. It's like that version of it is definitely in the spirit of that like muckraking we're GonNa get to the bottom of this remember too because I was that age was like preteen and like hot topic like alien imagery and iconography was like so much a part of my life that exiles was yellow files was huge but this was veering on the Promos for this were so scary I was like is this like I question in my mind if it was real? Interest in that stuff. Really. I. Just cared about like Pumpkin hardcore. Shows all I cared about Oh my God, I know I love Ann Alava Lamp and Alien Keychains I thank you hello but this so this was on Fox TV it was hosted by Jonathan Fracas the program included seventeen minutes of black and white footage of a secret medical examination or alien autopsy by the military recovered from a ufo crash in nineteen forty seven near Roswell New Mexico. And this is I. Don't I didn't put together like the Roswell Alien Autopsy Connection, but it is all coming from the same incident. The release was masterminded by london-based. Entrepreneur. Ray Santilli who had claimed he obtained it in nineteen, ninety two from a retired US military cameraman well, seeking archive footage of Elvis Presley. In the US you know as you do, you don't get Elvis that was yeah. Sightings and sure sure sure. It's all on the same for Nakamura of Oh my God. This is going to be crazy. So before the footage Santilli was a session musician music. His second most famous venture was producing the charity record the wishing well featuring boy George for the Great Ormond Street. Children's Hospital and nineteen eighty-seven and this soon, he was doing re recordings and found himself producing TV specials, documentaries and films television which led him to this autopsy footage. The video was supposed to have been shot during or around the flying disc crash or the Roswell U. F. O. Incident. This was essentially the crash of a US military air force weather balloon in mid nineteen, forty seven, and arguably was what gave. Roswell its name it's kind of the foundational event for all of the alien controversy that came out of this time and really not much happened with it. Until the nineteen seventies when the military gave an official statement saying it was a weather balloon ufologist concord with some elaborate conspiracy theories around it claiming that one or more alien spacecraft had crash landed. It was not a weather balloon and the alien bodies had been recovered by the military. So most of the controversy with alien stuff especially on Roswell was really in the seventies when. Again, it was a time of dissent. We were just fake misim. Yeah. We getting out of like fringe like one thousand, nine, hundred, sixty s Vietnam War. I think everyone was in a space of wage. Yeah and we popular. All totally. So this was definitely a part of that movement in the nineteen nineties. Quote Unquote Truth came out when the US military published two reports disclosing that the object was nuclear test surveillance disclosing that the object was a nuclear test surveillance balloon from project mogul, which was again secret in of itself. But like not alien related, it was a US Air Force project essentially trying to detect sound waves from Soviet atomic bomb test. Cool. Again, ended up itself very cool. Not Alien Related Roswell have been described by be Gildenberg of skeptic magazine as the world's most famous, most exhaustively investigated and most thoroughly debunked. UFO claim. But back to the autopsy alien autopsy factor fiction was not surprisingly incredibly. Sensational Controversial Very Popular Fox rebroadcast the program twice each time to higher ratings with the November nineteen ninety-five broadcast winning its time slot eleven point seven million viewers. Some parts of the autopsy were pixellated after all children were watching but Santilli promise that the complete and unedited film means alien genitals all in addition to previously unreleased footage of the wreckage was edited on raw and in his possession. So along with having this autopsy footage, the show alien autopsy factor fiction the show also interviews experts who were questioned about the authenticity of the film and when I say experts I mean Oscar winning special effects makeup artists one of those people makeup artist Stan. Wilson and cinematographer Allen Debbie Oh. Were in it along with forensic pathologist, Cyril. Wecht. But they all kind of talked about it being real like they. It's interesting. It's like we have this makeup design person. We have the Senate, higher, Ver-, and this forensic specialists and they were all like yet seems real to me during a time of no Internet. No is this is like if you wanna see something not in a book or some weird VHS tape like this is pretty front and center. Kind of pie very captivating and really no way to bunk who? Now or what's happening, and in fact if it's on Fox will it must be legit yeah I think the trust in network television as it still kind of is, but definitely, ben was very high. So you got these people they seem legit again, their makeup artists, cinematographer frenzy pathologists, but they didn't go as far as to say it wasn't alien but they were like we believe it kind of a thing you're like, oh my God that added to the hype too I remember seeing promos of people's testimonials real like God all these adults are believing it and they're wearing glasses. Yeah. Pocket protector or lab coats. Come on they are wearing a suit. So money what money you're eight. Director John Johnson best known for eighties and nineties music videos most notably, reo speedwagon can't fight this feeling signed on to direct several portions of the special including sent Tilles Interview Jackson stated that he became immediately suspicious on meeting him in London after conducting some. Further. Investigation asking around he told his producers that he believed the whole thing was a fraud. He described their response. It was then made clear to me that if the footage was exposed as a hoax before the show aired, the ratings would supper obviously you know. So he's kind of part and parcel to this to. Job Cement enlisted the services of his friend well, no private investigator in William Dear, but according to Johnson dear was held back by the producers for fear. The hoax would be exposed before the date again and was limited to investigating the identity of mysterious cameraman. So he tried to get a private investigator on board to of lend more credibility to all of this and they were like, here's one little assignment that you can have. And please don't bother us because we want to make money. Have you heard of it to the programs participants claim their observations were also distorted Stan Winston and Kevin D randle and they were noted Ufo authors and investigators both claim they clearly stated in their interviews that they believe the footage was a hoax. But of course, they didn't use that footage or those statements. So aired sensational everyone's talking about it. Still again, I can picture it I think a lot of people when they think about aliens. When you think about, you know the physicality are the physiology ailing they think about this footage but over the years again, it kind of broke down even more than already pad. And two, thousand, one filmmaker and magician spyros malaria came forward saying that he led the team that shot the grainy black and white film in his then girlfriend's house in Camden. North London must be very old to have found that nineteen forty now. Yeah. Right. He was given thirty thousand pounds for a budget to make this video and enlisted a Royal Academy trained sculptor to make the alien corpse and another friend to play the soldier who is kind of looming. Above the alien body, his brother helped out behind the scenes his then girlfriend who wishes to remain anonymous checked medical books spoke with surgeons and pathologists even played. The part of the nurse in the film, WHO's a Nice family effort to create the woman was Michelle Pfeiffer. That's right in her first role as Malian autopsy nurse. The alien itself was made of a leg of lamb a blow torch piece of foam latex and three sheep's brains and a pig brain cast in gelatin which became the contents of the alien. Skull. The film had to be correct in every aspect props, the costumes every little detail for me. The alien autopsy film was a challenge as a magician. I wanted to create the biggest illusion ever performed on a global stage and get paid for it and say the paid for part it was never meant to be anything else for me once it was created and it was achieved worldwide and it got worldwide acclaim experts saying it was real other saying it was not. No one proved it either way. So that's what Spiro says about the whole thing and why he created why he wanted to do it as a magician I kind of understand that but also people are profiting off of this way more than you are PS and other people are believing it probably profiting off of that popular but also probably getting completely misled again, it being on Network TV and ending up in such as. Very, popular? Context? Speros. said that they people should have known that it was a hoax. He said that the word video was spelled out in lettering resembling action hieroglyphics on a piece of flying saucer wreckage. So an Easter egg gas. Sorry. I guess I missed that when I was nine, you know sorry. In two thousand six. Santilli, admitted the film was a staged reconstruction footage. She claimed to a viewed in nineteen, ninety two but which had deteriorated and became unusable by the time he made the film he claimed a few frames from the original were embedded in this film, but he never specified which one's the existence of an original film stripped of the alleged autopsy has never been verified. So we still cling to it you still clinging to the kernels of truth that maybe he can still claim to even clearly huge huge huge hoax. I mean people are entertained. It's done its job people are watching it for research purposes. You're duped. You know I mean as soon as you said Reo speedwagon. I like. There's some legitimacy. You're in this you know this is nothing new creating something for you know based on something and you know. The psychology of like what makes it work is is nothing new yeah. We'll people do testimonials and yeah. But again you're you're on network TV you're you're deliberately editing out people who think it is a hoax like it's such a strong viewpoint for a place where like people believe it's almost like reminiscent of the bachelor and Bachelorette were no one's saying like, Hey, these women have been drunk up since five it like they've been up for sixteen hours. You know they're not in love this person there just like. Tired and overwhelmed by emotion. You know I think it's this ruse that were playing off as real or or some kind of a real narrative that people can just prophet of you know what's not fake what? Giveaway I'm. Doing. My new book abandoned historic La Neon and beyond. Ghost town pod Dot com slash book giveaway give. 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Season 2 Episode 21 - Ticks

What The Suck?!

50:53 min | 1 year ago

Season 2 Episode 21 - Ticks

"The solemn lane is the first hon production or either cow panic I got a question for you. What's that? Bob Woody no moth man, the walk, Ness, Monster, ghosts, demons, and things that go bump in the night. Not Much Bob will lucky for you. We host the podcast Bob after dark when we talk about Legend's Lor and a supernatural. Wow, where can I find this podcast wherever you find your great podcasts at? All Y. Give you tour of ashamed movie. mother fogler. And What? You Suck. Hey there, guys, girls, and everything in between. This is your house for what the James Sub Yeah Oh. Man. It? Is a fun one tonight. It's fallen every night and we do. I'm excited because this up this particular movie. Has this all our bill by? Has told my favorite Seth Green Oh really and Alphonso. Don't call me Carlton Ribiero. Oh sweetness. Right so tonight. We are doing the. Ninety three direct to video horror film called ticks up. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I can't believe he's actually in a movie. That wasn't directed by older brother. Talk Klay Howard. I'm talking about clint them. And our let me get to the cast real. Quick movies also known as infested which an who cares but anyway. Directed by Tony. Randall not Tony Randall Dan. He would not go anywhere near this piece of crap. Of course he's a man. I think he was dead by the a man of class. Yeah, produced by Jack F Murphy Gary Shmulik smucker Brian User News using. Using the used to use nece us right written by Brent v Friedman starring Pita scullery. Oh Lord Seth Green so Peterson. That's that's. Tom Hanks junior for people who don't know. He was the CO star of the bosom buddies TV show and faded into obscurity in Tom Hanks went on to great things. Yes, he did. Seth Green Amy Dolan's Roseland Allen. Afonso, Ribiero. It at Seth isn't that Seth. Gary the Bunny Green Yeah are there. Yeah robot chicken. Better and then, of course as you mentioned, Clinton Ron Howard younger brother Clint. How? It would introduce him as Ron Howard little. Music by Daniel Licht Lick my ass. Acetone. Cinematography by dump schmuck edited by Leslie Rosenthal Practice Company Republic Pictures. Released may fifth May. Twenty, fifth nineteen, ninety, four eighty five minute running time with a budget of one million. Dollar, they had all at talent for main doubt. Remain Dollars. Yeah. That had to be something that they had to have something on somebody. This is like in the middle of like. Maybe that's why Goliath fell off the face of the earth. Maybe you know, he said look. You make these pictures. We tell people what you did. This is like in the middle of the of Affonso barrels runner as Carlton Fresh. Perhaps I believe it was yeah, so like he and yet. He still agreed to be in this movie. And He yes, heads halfway through the run of fresh Prince Oh. He's he's pretty well known. He's pretty well fun zone. Yeah, and somehow could only had a million dollars, which means they didn't pay him very much. The being the movie, but he couldn't commended way more now at that time I think he still had like most myth. He was much. What be next to will Smith I think it was the second most popular character on show absolutely for allow me he was. And he is seriously funny game. He's a great person he is. He's a hell of a dancer and he and Wilson. It doesn't have his own dance on fortnight so sucking know either. Okay. So, what is this film? All about I'm a I'm afraid you're going to tell me how here we go. Mammoth mutant killer insects terror. A North California campground in this horrifying tale of ecological disaster from the director. Bound hellraiser to ecological. Disaster Evil Whitey. Shit outnumber forest in Cali is where. A group of teenagers on the Wilderness weaken encounter. A swarm of giant predatory would ticks mutated terrifying proportions by growth. Steroids dumped into the water table by ruthless marijuana farmers. Higher sins lead heads fantastic. Hey at least it's not evil widely corporation this time. It's a bunch of damn much staying staying pilot heads as one by one, the Rangers begin to fall victim to the ticks, deadly hallucinatory venom. A brutal force blazed breaks out trapping the panic. Stricken teens in their cabinet is written terribly and on the back of the fucking box. Surrounded by the vicious insects on one side and the fire on the other, their only hope for survival is to rely on each other. If they can last that long. What and fire some firebreaks? I didn't. It just during during the. Break. I was firebreak out like ten minutes into this burns. And credits yeah. Congratulations, here's your ecological disaster nail. Fuck off pretty much. Yeah, I think the thing had a rotten tomatoes. Believe Let me see has the maters NAD maters. Hurry, so the movie has a rotten tomatoes score of sixty seven percent. Hey, man, that's too damn high full, and only six actual critic reviews so shit. That's that's damn near all of them. That's sixty seven percents like four out of six. This exactly what? It is yeah, four six, yeah! But it has a user audience score up thirty two percent at eight hundred and ninety reviews fucked audience. What are they know that better than critics critics what they know as true pieces shit all right, so let's okay as far as our view system again goes to early episode if you WanNa know what it is. It's one through five just real quick one through five a shit emojis reverse scale. One being the best something you want to keeping your cue in and watch over and over and show your friends five being the worst where you WANNA, watch it once and then go. do some sort of blunt trauma blunt force trauma to the head. Go onto a live artillery range, and put your head under a tank track and let them run over your head. They go or just do some really. Really Really Hard Lucinda Jin to help remove the memory from your brain. Yes, everything in between our different shades of that again if you WANNA know golden too early episode, and you will find out more about that. That's right Ali all you need to know is the more stars. The more alcohol and more stars in will start. Fuck its stars Shigemoto so basically how it works is the more shitty emojis. The more alcohol as right that is good way to put that that's the way it is as it goes up, so does the volume of alcohol all right well, let's get into the review outright man. Guy. In the project. It started out small. Stick vampires in the insect world, a part of Mother Nature's wonder. But. Then they grew, don't. There's something your back. And grew. Attached if you don't know what it is, do hatchet attacked me imaginable. Takes do not get this book. Unthinkable Unbelievable. There is a huge part. Wish civilization and. The nightmare begins. Checks. It's not nice to mass with Mother Nature. Well that sucked. Have you ever? Have! You ever wanted to see movie where? They said Hey. Why don't we take Carlton Banks in tournament to Giantic? I can't say I have I you. Sure because I'm sure it's early Shanta everybody's minds sure on the money. These people need to see in this. In this case, it wasn't the Carlton Banks. Note. You want to be. The wasn't even worse than seen on panic. Pani the and that's a good word to described as movie. Oh man so okay. So the first three minutes of this movie is just shots of the marijuana farm and the equipment they use the processes and all the steroids they used on it dip, and then it shows of course how? You Know Evil Whitey once again is ruining the environment when this shit start they show at splattering and seeping and shit and gets out, and then you see these little pods, and they're flea. Eggs are netflix takings eggs. Yeah, and know well here. We Go I. Mean if it was explained right off the bat, so there was no delay, but three minutes. Three minutes, the beginning movie is just dedicated to just shots of the machinery, and then the tick eggs being covered in steroids, and that's the first four actually. I I I four minutes of this is basically nothing four. Minutes. And then. We cut to earn into Seth Green. WHO's being dropped off by his dad and damn. He's young man. He's young, he's. He looks like he's maybe thirteen fourteen. Yeah, this. This is like my time when he did it. Was it okay I think so because it was. It was nineteen ninety, so this is. Yet three years after he if three years after he did it, yeah. Damn that's a shame, too. Because it was all right, yeah, he the gooding it Neon, and then he went to this fucking piece of Shit Yeah and so he's being dropped off by his dad to go to a retreat for the weekend with some much other quote, unquote troubled. Youth. Twelve youths, the twelve ute What six of them went like that? I didn't fucking count and. And, while he, so he's dropped off under this fucking bridge, which is a terrible place. Drop off a kid for a retreat their. Get out the car. They probably don't live anywhere near this fucking bridge. 'cause isn't a bad part of the city and he drives them out to drop his ass off there. And this is where we are introduced quickly to Panic Aka, Carlton Aka see note. That's right. Whatever you WANNA. Call him he pops out is acting like a thug. He's like. Yo is my area about playing ball. You better pay some ball. You can get and he's talking shit about this dog and rip his legs off A. And this dog is actually a sweet looking like a almost like a collie cross breed of some sort right, not no damn pit Bull A. So I started laughing because I'm sitting there going okay. First of all everybody knows Alphonso Ribeiro curled period. To see him. Try to play at tribal tried to be hard and thuggish just doesn't work absolutely hilarious it is. It's funny and then the van shows up with the people who are taking everybody out to the week to the woods the weekend the up. They pick up seth, green and then they pick up Carlton Sincino. Yet will come Ho- haulier. The Lady's name and the guy's name I think. Peter it just Peter yet. At all Peter. Baiter all right so did you star cast of characters, all the kids and Shit? They load them on their way to the woods. And then we cut to Clint Howard Clint. Who One of the drug runners? I don't know what's wrong. Boy He is in. In the shed where all the marijuana is in, he is making some tea he's. He's he's got that outlet. Strange Brew Shit, that he puts together that steroid crap when there is, they're using that growth hormone to for the for the weeds. And he's the one responsible. Of course he's the one. Dripping under the floorboards, and getting all these fucking ticks, and they show us. The tick again announced grown to like ten times normal. That looks like a football. Yeah, pulsating and in the. End The comes out. You don't see it, but the tip comes our. Comes out, and then it cuts to. them the van heading towards the woods long fucking of that gives a shit. and. They get a flat tire. They stop on the side of the road while on the side of the road. All the kids are hanging out and immediately. The dog gets a tick, not a big tick, but a little tick. Yup, and so we get a half ass, explanation about ticks and how to get rid of him. Alfonso character whose dumbest Shit calls it a measly bump. Because he's an idiot. He's now meant to. And what you can't. He says you can't kill him by squishing them, so he wraps this whole thing up in a Napkin, little Napkin or something man lights it on fire, and it explodes so we're like okay. This is what we're GONNA end up getting a bunch of you know we common. Yeah, but Yeah, so then they go into town. Stop a gas station and harassed by the rednecks who are also part of the. and this is creep because this dude like forty years old. He and he's enemies in these Mac real hard on his teenage girl. He is trying to commit statutory because he says you know what fifteen will get you twenty, the yeah, that's right, so he wants twenty. Semi come back to Clint Howard. Who is smoking up his own supply? Who He's hitting? He's hitting the chronic pretty damn hard messing around with machinery, and we see the tick finally. Yeah, probably the size about fist, a good open hand. It's good size. Yeah, and it runs around, and it looks like it's going to attack him, but yet it here's the squeak of his little hamster. Guinea pig, or whatever the hell it is, who run a real, not sure why drug dealer in warehouse has a hamster for head of guard, Hamster, a guard, hamster and Ninety much food. We get a shitty squeak and he's like he walks over there. He looks picks up the dam. What's led to the handlers left of it. It looks like a looks like a dish rag. Yeah, it's all busted open. He's like damn. You got messed up. That's all. He said he got messed up any this things like half of what it was like splatter and then the. He commits the idiotic. Sin You know art I. Don't know what you're gonNA. Call it the FAUX PAS so to say of sticking his face into an area where he hears a noise. It's pitch black. You don't know what's coming, but then again anybody any horror efficient. Add on those here comes your first jump scare. Sure Shit here. Count Blam it hits, but it catches on some bars chases around. Then it jumps his ass. Yeah, and gets inside his leg, somehow inside of his frigging much ticks Don't normally do they? Don't go normally inside you. They just standing outside like blood. Yeah, WHAT'S HIS DUMP? And, then they cut away Back to our friends. The happy hunting gang. Yes, the happy camping he. The happy campers. And getting settled into this cabin at their in woods. It's actually a pretty nice setting. Seniors pretty decent they get settled. They got music going and then they. Settle in I guess they get settled in for the night. They act come across. One of the eggs at one point, which is draining all the fluid and stuff that's right and poking at it in the closet. I think yeah, and you've got. Everybody's doing their own things. You've got the Hispanic native American dude working out. You've got Carlton Sinoe over there using an axe doing hop. Kito acts work in the fucking forest. And Yeah and you've got all the other. Girls are all hanging around, not doing shits Yep You've got Geeky Seth. Green. Who's not doing anything? He's just to see. He's walking around checking out the area and the one good thing is at least you see that everywhere in his forest now are these freaking pods, these quivering slime bags. Yeah, that are taking you know supposedly tickets and one of these little girls is out there walking with set and feel something. Get on her back, and he's like turn around or something on your back and egg sac is on her back. She had a sack on her back sack on the back, and it's not sedentary and. He goes to pull this thing lose, and you see these legs hanging out of this thing, and it is chomped down on her spine, and so it. Yeah, he's able to poke it with a stick and chomps stick, and he's able to knock it down and takes off with stay. A fucking tick takes off with a stick, thanks. A lot of rhyme in half sack on her back, which was a tick for the stick. That's right, so they run back telling that there was a giant seek in the woods. There's something in the woods gross and and the typical non caring. White adults are like Oh. You know who cares you probably saw. Nothing Ed your kids are so stupid. I hate made hotdogs. Come on! And they run back into the creeps from town, who are also the drug dealer jackasses yet? But you know these two assholes are up to no good. That is right. And so they harass them for bid, and then they take off, and no one gives a Shit A. Much else is. Pretty much. It has to build up. Yeah, so we cut back to Ron Howard. Who Apparently? Howard. WHO passed out? Run with it might have been able to do something with if front of directors he would. but he wakes back up. and. He's like freaking out because his his skin is moving underneath a shirt, and because the ticks have done in, anybody's ever seen the mummy. is sending to the big. The Big Arab guy who gets the scarab beetle under skin, crawling around same not as effective nat as effective now and saw the kids the cuts back to all the kids starting to fire on middle of the woods, and there s a Filo didn't pretty badly dumped by the half half jug of gasoline on it and torture and it like. Show interrupts the cat and the counselor dude getting busy with his wife. Yep Pete's getting ready to slipped pickled to house right, he's about to. Give her his tick there and the mind you there. There's no rescue titties. Again I have to tell you that right now. I'm very sorry to announce. There's no rescue titties, so then we cut to the mortal cinna very movie I hate. The. Dog is out in the middle of the woods, and of course against attack by tick I'm GonNa Start Finding. All these people that write these scripts. I'm GonNa Start beating Shit Adam and the here the dog scream out and its actual occurrence lead curling scream. It's not just some regular streets. It's pretty good little dog. Yep, it's just. It's horrid sound. Yeah, they go over there and the dog dog is twitching this weird. Yeah, he's doing this word convulsion thing on the ground huge wound inside of his body and. See note picks them up. Takes them back to the cabin and we need to take him to the vet. And Sunday cuts to the next day and. Sheriff comes, out to the camp. Is asking a bunch of questions. But yet, but thing is, he's like, and he doesn't really explain why he's out there. He knows up. He's poking around. They offer him breakfast. He's what the hell they're cooking. He says Hell No. He assets like She cooked I'm out fuck this so then. The counselor decides us so then. They also tell him that that see known has disappeared because he laughed because He. was going to. He's going to get the hell out of here and head back to the city or whatever, yeah, after his dog was done, he was he was. He was that he was done. He's like I'm done. I'm out, fuck you. He disappears the counter. Guy Comes until Sept. Greenhalgh, manigault look for see no, but I'm also GONNA. Take the dog to the vet. Why don't you come with me till I take it to the vet, and it's poking around and and this part is frigging funny, though she gets a damn hot needle trying gonNA. Take a blood sample. Yeah, and she's poking the dog everywhere and she's trying to draw blood. No blood coming out, so it's like okay, and she's like something's got. All of a sudden. She stabs it in one place, and it starts going. The knee starts shaking, and it yanks loose from her hand, and she's working and trying to squeeze it out all suddenness. Damn, tick the site the probably twice. The size fish this big yeah. POPs out. hypodermic needle is in its neck. Yeah, and it hauls ass and starts running around the office, so we get dislike is five minute scene of the vet. Little Taming five fricken minute. Yeah, vet said Green and the council dude running around China chases thing. Meanwhile it's is running around the floor to around the cabinets. All with their needle stuck in the back. Looking at it keeps scampering by when they're not looking. Shit is fucking funny. This is where I. Do WanNa take quick mention of the fact that the The practical effects in this movie are really good for what it is budgeted. Had It really wasn't bad? I mean because the ticks looked like ticks. Obviously, but as they do they. They're very fast a skirt around like my giant spider. which is really cool, but like. All. Their movement is done, either you know with with A. Practical or with I'm guessing lame agency claymation rates. Cgi I know there's no see. Jack is green screens in movie. I guess so, but yeah, but you see them a lie. See him running around moving stuff and the look really good like you can't see the strings. You can't see any like wires or anything They're really well done. And then when the close up of the tick like when she finally captured and she di sex it. Let's get realistic. Looking guts trails and. It looks really good like like an all of them. All the takes are always moving all the time. Yep, men were the only time that they don't move. Is when they're ripe for about the blown up with fire. So because they're full of explosive, right right, let's because these full of explosives. They can't move on, so you start touching them off and boom. Otherwise I mean you see you see whole forests of tics moving? It looks really neat they. They actually did a really good job of them. Props for directed video light well. Yeah, because in a lot of movies like this. If they have multiple creatures moving at the same time now, I will say these these little creatures did run in formation. Yeah, quite a lot. Look good, but in a lot of movies they move in unison. You don't see the legs moving now. They just kind of scoot like somebody's dragging them on a sheet or some shit. Unless it CGI less, you can tell us of course the only other movie that I will say. was better, but was because they used real. Actual insects was phobia. Because they use real spider. Fuck them. Yeah, but like these ones are really great, because as you mentioned you see all the legs moving time. and. They're not just moving wiggling the. Like the little wind up crabs or something, you buy in the store, they're actually going like they're actually hitting the ground going and forth. Literally get the illusion of movement with all these ticks. Yep, yeah, so it's really really cool, and then we cut back. Real quick does seen Masino he's lost in the woods because I guess he was just hiding I. Guess he didn't really want to go all the way back to La what happens. He left at night, so he stopped like in a cave asleep. Yep, and then he shows him walking, and also like and of course he's got a fucking. Take on his leg. Yeah, so. I'll starts to pull it off and cut it loose and they cut away from him. Yeah, noting in, and that's it. It's like a real quick scene. They flashed back to the camp. Now. Of course, everybody's laying around doing Jalen. Yeah, ladies, trying to get people do stuff and tell them. Hey, y'all wanna go fishing now, man, we good. We're GONNA work on all this shit, so she sends to the girls to go fishing a little young I. Guess it looks like a little Asian girl and little white girl with no change. No Chan-. Yeah Missile Lyndon. Chin no chin down there. Oh, Lord, Okay stay in. Okay well. They go fishing leeway. They're down. They're doing his thing An Asian girl CASS out. And then Okay Chan Cassatt. Reeling in, and they get stuck, so no Chan- goes in the water. Start some cross and goes over there to see if she can free the line when she pulls it. The body of the sheriff POPs up Bri Right. You know and you're like Holy Shit, they scream. They run the get out, and then they fall against something, and they look in its sheriff's car and it's covered. It's got bullet holes in it, and it's covered with like weeds and shit right which is dumb. They should've drove it and hit. It better drove into the Lakers to hide it, but they didn't. So these criminals obviously very stupid. Incidentally, we cut to Hispanic dude and his white girlfriend. And they're playing like they're run into the woods and play this a good mix here. Folks and she ends up finding the the shed where Ron Howard handle his reach. Sorry Clint Howard I keep saying Ryan. And so she she comes across two different things i. she comes across a large stash of the weed plants. Yes, that he's grown looks glorious I know salesman. I don't smoke. It looks glorious and then, but then she comes across a whole wall of the tick. Thanks I mean a whole fucking wall of them. And you know they're. They're literal. Heaven well, and it's not just that the fact that she goes right up to him and sticks her face like six inches away from one of these things. Yeah, and then you see the inside you see, it's like the fricking aliens thing the hell those all the face huggers. They're calling office. Huggers Yep so then, but then all of a sudden Clint Howard pause shows up see. I got it right this time. and he's off his faces. All jacked up. Because of the the ticks have eaten them up as pulsating because it's inside is fricking head and so. The ground. Yeah, and he's grabbed his gun these begging for her to shoot him kill one. And then his face pops, and one of the techs jumps out and lands on her neck, and he's laying there here the gun cock, but then he dies before he can blow his own brains. Yeah, which is a shame, shame way. No, but she takes off I. Don't get no love. No, no, not at all. And then it cuts back real quick to Carlton who see no. WHO's passed out on the ground and it cuts again to. The He's like hallucinating because we forgot to mention that. Yeah, Brian Fortunately when they bite, release a toxin that usually would come The victims don't know they're biting you. You know the dog or even humans anybody because the steroids steroids it now has become the super tax when they buy plus size the general size this injecting you with so much of this stuff when they bite you, so he starts hallucinating that he's in like an alley somewhere all sudden he gets punched and then he's on the ground and these two white. Supremacist fucks whoever they are are beat him down for no frigging reason whatsoever. You know just the just punching him. What in the Hell is going on? They put a damn gun in his face and stuff, but then we begin to start to realize these guys are the ones running the dope operation right and they're trying to rid I. Guess Rid the area of any witnesses. Or anybody that knows and I guess they think he knows. So well as going on, he actually ended up pulling his knife out stabbing one in the leg takes off, and then catch up with him, but then the fight ensues, and he starts beating the hell out of out of the Meth to Yellen starts gone, and the other one is nowhere to be found dislike like he sends the mess head. It looking. Yeah to chase him down and after he shoots him. The scariest part of the movie where Carlton Starts Dropping The F bomb. As bad I'm. GonNa. Ask that surprised me. You country, Faulk! And he starts. On his ass, and then the other ones shows up and starts gets ready to start firing on a he takes off to run when when he fires in of one of the tanks that they have the propane tanks out there which starts starts a fire in the in the weed. It starts the fire. Yeah, and then he ends up hitting Carlton see no in the side of the stomach with a shotgun, so he lands and he ends up, he he. We've got the mentioned earlier. The Hispanic Dude Royd free had royds in a bag in his his back, his a rucksack and so. Carlton when they went stops stopping point ruffled everybody's bags and found the steroids took him for himself. Well now he shot. He's taking the SARS taking the steroids to give him the energy to keep going. Keep going then. We cut back to Hispanic. Dude found his girlfriend. And is taken her back to the cabinet because she's got his big. Nude, name, Rome yeah, name, Rome and I. We. Look suspect he does but anyway she's hallucinating because she's got bit by the tick. And keep saying that her. Her boyfriend is a Clint Howard. I'll fucked up. And you know what even all not even not fucked up. If he was hallucinating was clint, that'd be kind of scary. Yeah for. well, the the van shows up with a counselor and Seth Throw Seth Green. Who Luckily are coming back from the vet? They find him they they them. They pick them up and they take him back to the cabin all this time. The fire that the to jugular started his grown immensely absolutely, and it is hurting ticks. Shall we say towards the cabin? Yes, they're all staying so we. We know some Shit's about to go down Oh yeah! So we come back to the cabin, where everybody's back inside, except for C. Note they have the one girl under some blankets, trying to keep her calm. Trying to figure out how they're going to go. Get help for for her. When the drug dealers show up, it's our Belan Dorn say let him in a little bit in the got ticks all over. Yeah, they let him in. They got takes all over him. and also the ticks are crawling all over the house again. You've looks really cool, and at this point will have to say only see note knows these guys are right right the other. The other ones are completely unaware, so they let them in. Yeah, and then everything goes to shit. She at Yeah so take your. Anyway these two bozos pull a gun on everybody. And then we know okay. Something's going to go down and he's holding them all hostage. He says they all know what's going on. He thinks he's just super paranoid because he knows you know these guys all know our operation and he's spilling this shit. Yeah, he's doing exposition, don't he's basically telling? People what they're what they're up to Ryan and nobody in his assumption. Yeah, so he's basically wasting his energy. He didn't say a damn thing. Well Anyway. During the Ruckus see note shows up out of nowhere. Yeah, but he points them out and at that point. That's when the to Nazi. Poster boys pull out fucking shotgun and hold them all day and see no fucking dies, will he? Get he also has a take on his arm. He that they burn off. and this. This is when you see the you realize that these ticks when they're exposed to fire, they explode. So he croaked, they set their the being held hostage. So pita skill a makes a run for it, and they shoot his ass in the leg. I mean this shoot as an asset. She has asked me. Shoot him in. His asked me to leg. Yeah, pretty meeting in a good shot, and so they start administering first aid in their threaten everybody with violence that they don't give them the keys. Lady funding gives them the keys, and he tells he tells the toothless. You go out there and get I. Ain't going out there, you crazy. So he starts getting pissed off, starts threatened him with a shotgun says. And we forgot to mention this. This Bozo insists on being called Sir. it's pointless makes no difference. You won't mention it again, but for some reason that so he cocks, the gun says yes, Sir gives that asshole a torch. Him To go out to the van, so he gets out to the van and as I said I'm serious I said it's going to be taken a fucking van because window was opened. That was open, so he gets in and kill to boomed, tick bite him in the back of the net, and even take three seconds I. Mean Wham Bedroom. He started hallucinating and past the fuck out Steinhorn Horn and then he sees. This collusive nation. He's hallucinating that he sees the sheriff on the porch with a shotgun bird, and he's covered moss and shit. It's pretty good makeup. Yeah, pretty good makeup effects, and so he takes off with the van and runs him over like Don Vandenberg from Christine. Just runs in like he's going to the gas station door. Damn hits him. He goes flying, but yet he survived I mean. He hit him hard with the van and pushed him through an entire wall. Wall yeah, which would knock you the fuck out? At least yeah, and the stupid, some of it survived and were like damn it. Okay, so all the kids and everybody run upstairs because they're. They're trying to escape. These guys run upstairs to the cabin. and when that happens the The Guy, the other guy the guy that survived is like stuck somewhere. And while they're upstairs China escape. Something magical happens. This is the best part of the movie this and this is what I referenced earlier the beginning of the review. Yes, kill three. See No okay. All of a sudden, the the there's no wall in this cabinet, so all these ticks Russian? They intercity note, and they start dragging his body all over the cabin floor. That is hilarious. The reason they go for see no is because they were born of steroids. Yes, see note was taking steroids, Yup and so his blood. has that smell to it, so they attacked him the enter him. And then all of a sudden in this glorious. Stan, Winston esque scene. Yes, his leg start growing these weird appendages. His face splits in half and a glorious four foot. Z Note. Comes of it is great, and the effects is practical in it, and it looks not doesn't look that bad. It has an independent moving leg. Yeah, It was Emmanuel's and yeah I, mean it. The Motor and everything will probably in the Iran because it looks like it's Kinda high. Kill Four but then it goes into tax guy that survived Yep and kills him basically getting revenge, because the it's now a Sinoe tick. Let's the guy that shot him. That's right now. The take probably knows you know probably has his thoughts. Who Right? So while I as it happens to everybody's upstairs and they're trying to figure out how to get to the van to bring it to the window where they're asking that they can get out and so they send a set green out. And he has a broom that he lights on fire. and. He's touched. Popping always fucking takes yeah. Suzy touchdown explode. Oh, that's pretty cool, but what's funny is like I said they keep running inform and these perfect little formations, which is hilarious. Yeah, but so they have put the property tax is hilarious. Yeah, that's the only time you see the ticks. Not Moving is yeah, unfortunately, their plants. Obviously, so he gets to the Van he he sees the other method. Dude is in their covering tick. He kills them all takes him out and gets the van under the window. Then one by one everybody starts to climb out of the window into the van while it's happening all of a sudden Sinoe tick is at the door, trying to break in trying to get on and he's like. Hey, you motherfucker Jane. Leaving went up marrying pay. Hey, where you going to be just going. Survey gets out except for Hispanic Dude as he's about to get out. Except for Hispanic do yeah kill five as he's about to get out, the tick actually ends up attacking them. Invite him in the leg and Yanks is back into windows. Like Harry Goes Union back into end. He has a Taser Shit. Get because tick wants some Hispanic. We wanted to make him Brita right now. So and so we got a lot of brooms. Here I've noticed too. Yeah, so seth rogan rugged set the screen. Seth Green Climbs back up in the window and asked the other girl to light a broom on fire past tomb when he's in the window, so she does and again he uses a a broom on fire. He likes it on. Yeah, he does He. He does it the large. Sea not grabs the broom and pulls it away from him, but yet is by. He's biding the end. That's on fire. Yeah, so it catches him on fire. Kill six, and what is hilarious inglorious is we all know what happens when he touches all the other little tick? Yeah, by this forefoot, motherfucker blows the Rue neither ring off of this fucking cabinet. Yeah, hilarious, it goes off and cub lamb blows. The should I have it, and then this would trail goes on this Excuse me this fire. Fire trail cuts across the yard hints the propane tank cabin blows up the forest explodes. Then we get a fairly. You know cheesy scene of everybody in a weird rocking van driving away like you always see. It's entities, movies and I do want to say that this this can only happen in this time period. Because if it was done nowadays, there wouldn't be. The would broom with the with the wooden bristles like they had no, it would all be plastic. Shit wouldn't work. You'd have been fucked. Much, melted plastic brooms. Cuts to another time in their custody, some city scenes, and then it goes to a junkyard where we see. The van has been taken to Yup, and the camera pans down to the bottom of the van. We see some goop dropping on the floor, and then an egg falls out from Anita van. Pulse. Sitting in. The? It's. All right James I want to hear what you thought of this movie Jimmy. You're running. My Review, I'm GonNa tell you what? I enjoyed the shit out of it. Okay with lots of laughs, practical effects real good. The acting was half as decent. It really wasn't that God. Awful, even the kids yeah I'm the script. The story was not so good because it didn't really explain a lot of the elements I. Mean I guess it didn't need the. There's things that could have been left out of the whole sheriff thing. Yeah! Sheriff didn't mention at any point that I remember about. Hey, you know. He did meant they did mention in the beginning of the movie that there's some weed heads out. There I didn't mention anything about any crime. Lords anything so these two bozos that showed up. You know what flex their muscle and being stupid. They really didn't have any place in the movie because it wasn't explained. Yeah, I'm willing to overlook that the the ticks the stupidity. The crappy blood affects. Overall not bad at all. I'm going with the critics on this one bad at all actually gonNA, give ticks a to turn to tears to Turkey tires this one I want you to go I want you guys to watch. Play a drinking game. Play drinking game every time a tick attack, somebody or you know, play a mustache game and every time. You know you know. On a tick mustache, Latin and imitate you could be. You could get fucked up because there's parts in his movie where there's tons of tex on my gut. Yeah, I'm giving it to. A solid to? Nowhere, near not not even leaning toward a one had it all, but it's a good solid to solitude tic time movie. Yeah, what it was because I was actually pleasantly surprised. Yes, it was dumb, but. In the annals of what we are doing here, this one deserves a little bit of love, not too bad. Yeah I can agree with you on all that The acting was definitely some of the best acting. We've seen so far in the series. everybody did a even see note as even Carlton as a gangster was. As funny as it was to see, still did a good job and cephas is not a bad actor for a kid now, but settled kind of plan himself. He's playing. The same Katie played in it. We'll snotty share. The same Katie plays in without a paddle. He plays the same character all the time, a same kid from a well no actually different from. She's all that 'cause he was was like I WANNA be. Whatever. but yeah, pretty job the as we mentioned the effects I think the effects, which is always an important aspect for these kind of movies because. These kinds of movies don't have a lot going for them other than effects. Yes, because they don't have a strong story, strong script, strong, acting usually and so it also doesn't have a strong odor. Man That's that's a good point. So most time it all boils down to. How good or how good bad the effects, absolutely because like with our last one with Easter Day, the effect was absolutely fucking horrible ridiculous, but I love the shit out of it absolutely nowhere near as good. These are Stan Winston level quality, special effects compared to be today. Yes, but I still have the shit out of it absolutely yeah, so if x really good, the texts were good, takes and cockroaches only to insects that I cannot stand old kill with vengence when I see one. That I hate I hate both those Oh. Yeah, so under my skin. Ha, Ha Pun intended. Yet the the story wasn't as strong script that strong, but didn't really need to be because we had GLORIETA ton of glorious. Tick scenes and kills the giant four foot got damn tick was awesome, yes. Love Heff the ending was super fucking week. But. It's definitely a to turn tic time for this movie for me fantastic. Yeah, yeah, go check it out, guys, go watch it. It's it's kind kinda boring in some parts against low and middle, but otherwise horror movies aren't though you know I've noticed that there's always a lull to rollout of these move. They know how they want to start the movie. You know how they want to end the movie and like I don't know how the fucking do the middle part. They just in the middle. They're like okay. The directors like okay. We got about fifteen minutes. Just run around and do whatever it's. It's like the middle part. They're like okay. Maybe we should do some some care convenient, but I don't know how to do that so just half characters dude boring, random shit, and that's their development. Many Yep all right James Want. You tell the fine folks at home or they can find us all the. No problem all right well. We are proud members of the fourth hand dot. Com Media Network. You can go there and find find our show. You can find our other project as well state of fear they're also lots of other very fine programs on their lots of great shows Give him a look. Give him a like you know, review them. Help them out. we are also on facebook of course under what the suck and we are on instagram under what suck. At, don't like. Twitter fucked yet twitter yeah! Dumped that shit a long time ago. We also you can find this like on Google podcasts or on Apple podcast cast box spotify anywhere you listened to your podcast were pretty much there propaganda. Propaganda Chris he's really worked hard getting spread around on. 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Season 3 Episode 7 - Skinwalkers

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Season 3 Episode 7 - Skinwalkers

"Salaam lane is forced hun production. I don't want to talk anyway. Man should forget. And we'll talk. You don't even look at me have the pool has any redeeming quality whatsoever. Fucking crap holy crap. Welcome back to what the suck gyms. Gimme a finger in the air episode number as yet they what is that seven is right. I don't know my spanish or multi-lingual multinational come on multi stupid episode number seven. What sucking back guys. Thank you so much for being with us on this wonderful ride of complete complete shit. Hello for. That's my friend. James as i mentioned earlier. He's always here every week because He likes me and he's not only friend. I got no job and got a job. I got no guys donald john. I love doing this shit man you know even after the shit that we watch recently still love doing it too. Yeah love it. Yeah who two and a half seasons it well not not even half really what third two hundred to what we're going to twenty four episodes seven so i'll make selena next episode. We'll be one third of the way through and that's right almost. Yeah and there's so many more movies to watch this. Unfortunately we can't get anything under never mind can't stand ninety minutes. Oh no i mean we have to move back to our old format where you're doing nineteen fifties movies which would be like an hour long. Anything we're going to pick somebody ninety or eighty later and they're always an hour and a half long or if not more. Yeah you know and it ain't no big deal man like i said this kicks ass i enjoy it. I hope the people listening. Enjoy it all doing this. It's a good especially on a sunday record on sundays. Nice nice way to relax from the week. Get ready for the week coming up. You know nothing like talking like building mouthfuls on his cut asi now so today's episode. We are going to be watching a film called. Skin walkers two thousand seven or at least from the kapiti assist two thousand six and everybody and if you don't know what a skin walker is it's a Well some some legends caller where wolf but most native american legend. Call it just a person who was able to walk in the skin of another usually a person or also creature sometimes fantastic. Yes as a matter of fact unfortunately before we had to cancel our event here in houston we were going to actually have Somebody down here. Who actually worked on the skin. Walker ranch not right. Yes that's correct. Kris was a he was getting there. Yeah yeah i would have liked to have heard about that firsthand but well there. There's a lot of stuff coming out about that. That is pointing towards not being what initial reports were of cars. So yeah it's it's it's yeah it's bullshit going on so i was going to quit so it's a two thousand six action horror films. There's no comedy none of that bullshit that we action film. It was released in united states buying lions gate entertainment after dark films and focuses on skin walkers or where what everyone call him so. The film was shot at century manner in hamilton ontario canada Unfortunately unfortunately To achieve the pg thirteen rating which. I don't know why they'd want. The team. had to cut several scenes containing graphic violence. Why the home media releases the uncut version of the but but i. I hate to say this. I'm looking at the box right now. We have a pg thirteen version. Yeah that's the no wonder. I found it in a half price books. Yeah you on the road somewhere covered dog shit you so it was directed by sorry. We're not sorry. You're not sorry you listen to this shit you'd like it. We like it fuck. You mean thirteen komo. Pg thirteen. i mean he's no. rt's man now pg thirteen minutes something in eighties. Yes it did in eighties actually meant something nineties and on enemy. No no and this was Two thousand six even less than that. Now you gotta do come on screen you. Golly gee cg thirteen for shit. Fuck pg thirteen directed by james isaac produced by dennis behind and don carmody budget. Italians man written by jane b. monaco. Todd harmen no. Oh my god. This was written by james day. Holy shit are you fucking kidding. Me was written hung. Check the back of the box here because if it's sometimes pdf's bullshit let me check this real quick Whereas in writing credits this motherfucker. Yeah james okay. Oh my god. James day sean spencer on tv show psych one of my absolute favorite shows the twitter Groups that were in talk about it constantly. It is one of the best comedy shows that was out there in the last ten years. James roadway was the main star. I cannot believe he wrote or co wrote. I should say this piece of shit. Well we'll see may not. That might not be a piece of shit. Hopefully we'll see. I love games all day. But it's probably sucks gotta suck but it's very interesting you wrote co wrote this so Yeah okay starring. Jason bere elias cotija. So is that you know that. I know that name. Okay jones yep jones. Rhona mitra who. She's kind of pretty kim coates. Kim coates cosa throat. Natasha malti she looks familiar Sarah carter oh. Yeah from smallville and the yeah. That's right and lyric bent. Music by andrew lockington cinematography by some people edited by somebody production company and constant films. Films ten stan. Winston productions fucking shit hole stan winston all nothing because the very first episode of this season earth versus spider was a stan winston film but he worked on it he designed the moon stroll. See the rest of the story. Wasn't his fucking fault true but when that spider showed up and it was a bad ass job or i'm telling you what was on screen. Yeah i mean that. That was all stay. A man standing man distributed by after dark films freestyle releasing release date in cans at on may twenty second two thousand and six august ten two thousand seven in new york and los angeles with a very long running time in ninety one minutes. She made a box office of three million. Two hundred sixty nine thousand seven hundred thirty six dollars thirty six dollars thirty six dollars. Make you holler. Let's check out the rotten tomato showy. Oh shit lewis okay. The critic scores thirtieth critics gave it a combined total of thirteen percent out. So even dan demand couldn't pull it out of the gutter once worse the audience user ratings out of a hundred and four thousand eight hundred fifty two which was more than last week so i think that is the most on the user rating. Seen so far. All the shitty movies we've done. They gave it a twenty five percent. Oh dan that that means like eighty thousand motherfuckers. Hated you that hers. Her heart hurts my heart. Oh there's kim coast. i know that guy. The guy was in the. He's been a bunch of movies. It's like mario. Mario margaret valley put a little head on my jump mushrooms. Yeah what's he been. He's been in Macbeth his being in Open range that's right. Yeah he was he was the wise ass talked to that talk smacked kevin costner and he just walked up. Shot him in head. That's where yeah he. I think he tends to play a lot of Astros yeah he has the look. There's always those typecast people that get these certain parts like mine most hated typecast. Anger is david patrick kelly. I cannot stand that last although he does very well it making you hate him. And i don't hate him as a person i've just always hated his characters He was the you know. The bottle cracker from lawyers was yeah Forty eight hours will weasel user and he was in his latest his latest role that i remember at least Was the longest yard he played. Yeah a little weasel Whatever is another reasonably meaning another weasel easel role. That's what he does. Oh and he also now. He did play one role that i thought was spectacular. Although it was very short screen. Time of his charlie from john wick series the dinner reservation guy. Yeah he comes and cleans up all the fight scenes. Oh that's right. He did real good at that because he didn't talk too much. he didn't now. Despite the praise given to the creature effects by stan winston courses film received mostly negative reviews so at least we can look forward to the creature effects. Yes so what does this movie all about. Well it says for them to live. We must die blue blue. The vampire fucking idiot to two packs. Aware wolf remain one that lives to hunt and kill and the other that lives in peace with society both are suddenly signal the by the moon of the coming of an ancient prophecy eight thirteen year old boy half wolf half human. All stupid will control the destiny of the species. Triggering all out war between the two packs as the boys life hangs in the balance. This sounds familiar. What else is doing line from. Like underworld or some shit at sounds like it except unfortunately and underworld lease it was versus the look but yeah that was like we're now if we got to where wolf packs going against each other. This might be pretty good at all. I can imagine is the entire fight is just sniffing each other acids and trying to stop all they can only cover each other's piss by. That's all it is on a train and the other one comes in pisses on a tree in goes back on tree pissing so much at one point. They're just they're emptying your just to hell with. Yeah well you know we. We have a rating system that we created. It's based on shit emojis. Yes one to five one being the new classics ones. You're gonna wanna keep them watch over and over you're keeping your cue or you buy on. Dvd or blue. Ray no ones. That are so bad that they're actually really really good And the five being the worst of the worst. The ones that your you'll watch once just because you know somebody put some work into these whether it was passionate or not. They worked on him. This ingenious rating system by the way yeah So you'll watch it once but then after that you'll remove it from your memory with some sort of Blunt force trauma or alcohol in front of a train mail as d. or something. yeah Now we go into into more detail in the first like three or four episodes of the season and of course all of season one and then summer season two so he really wanna to know what the full on rating is go. Listen to an early episode and you can find it there. Yes and also when we post on social media now when the episode is launched the we do now include our ratings on the On the meam guess on the cover image in other words the more turgeon. See the bigger bottle of booze. You're going to need that. Yes or the more blunt. you're going to need. Yeah sure to get through the motherfucker but but no matter what we we encourage you to wash these please because as we gotta do you gotta do it. Somebody put working into these and even five sometimes are are fun to watch because they're fun to make fun of and riff off of yes Now there is occasionally. There is one category. We will bring out which think has not been a lot but if we come across a film as so bad so irredeemable yes there's abs- absolutely zero value to be found on the celluloid or digital film that it was printed on late. Waste of time. We will give it a six. Yes we give it a six. We're not fucking kidding. Don't fuck and watch it. It's not worth your time. There's nothing funny. There's nothing good bad. There's nothing about the film has no horror. quality has done so we only to very small amount. Maybe two three two and a half two and a half. We did two movies together We we six turn to movies together and you you started one movie and i did like a five five okay. So it's very few though but if you see that fucking run i mean sometimes like listen to the episode even if you see the external yeah please listen to the episode and understand why that particular week. You don't have to worry about it. I mean we've even discussed after the first six term discussed. Look if we get a six hundred again. Do you wanna fuck air the episode. We just want to just call it a loss episode and play later something and do something else because that's a waste of time right there but it is still gonna put it out. Yes now i do want to say this. We have had actually one movie so far. That's been worse than that. So bad. that twenty minutes and we said fuck it. We turned it off. Do that bitch in the dumpster and we. We called an audible for the next week. Remember which one it was. It was some haunted. It was some haunted house. One with a bitch was blind or something. Yeah but it was so so bad that would have got like eight or nine heard but there is no not even episode to play because it was so fun combat. Yeah we just resentenced said to hell with it. Let's do this again next week. Look guys if we can't get through toy minutes of it you won't get through two minutes of it. Yeah it was bad because we're season for this shit. Oh yeah we we do this we we were doing this long before we started the podcast. Absolutely were getting together and watching bad movies with friends long before we did that. So we have a thick skin when it comes these pieces of ships yes we are teflon and he's sh- pieces of shit. Do not stick to us but we have discovered a way to enjoy the lesser of horror. Yes you know when you find the lesser movies. The the attempts the valiant attempt as i call them yeah We found a way to make joint right zainal. 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The skin walkers find. The child turned two days. One child has the power. How do we keep my son safe. Just two more days or so close to end the curse house. Mr stop any of this boy now to ensure the dark legacies. Let the curse to ed. But they don't they will not rest dictates of blood onto a few falls. It's time to die a thirteen year old boy. The and all the final showdown ease. Join one in c. I wasn't that bad was not bad. All i mean. It wasn't great but it wasn't is it. What the bed. Yeah yeah good enough for what to suck but yeah there's no too far up on third scale now at pretty standard storyline. I mean you know you've got one where we'll sect. Who wants to be cured and you got another one. That just wants. Continue eating meat. Kill motherfuckers yep you know and and so you're starting off in the woods with this one dude running at that must be what's her face. That's hurt that's her. You know it's funny. You said that. I was sitting here wondering where the hell windy crews was in the movie. She isn't there she is. She's in the beginning. That says she's i got my check. I'm going home. it's too bad too. She looked pretty Yes so some news running. He's caught by the bad wolves because he was trying to find the good where we'll have to be cured. And then he that. The forest is littered with dead bodies. Yeah no no onscreen kills as of yet not yet karenin through the screen he gets caught right and there's predator is he's hanging upside. Oh yeah yeah a predator. Yeah and then he saying that Basically saying that the you know the time come the is going to be Going to be is gonna be per failed. Because didn't like i guess he has a he has a map on him and she takes it and then she here's a map. Sections take a section but yet was like people are getting the middle of the map. How the hell do i get. This section though cell phone got the legend the and the lake in the lake. Look i'm like damn. I can't follow this shit yeah But then so then we go so then she kills. Bushy kills him off screen. Which is fucking sucks. Doesn't count though does not count as we mentioned multiple times offscreen kills. Do not count. No you gotta see it actually happen. Yes yes and then. She said she tears a map. Which is the dumbest thing everybody would take a section like bitch. I got mexico. Where am i going to mexico for like exactly you take a united states matt. Rip it into grids and say here you take this. Yeah so then we're introduced to the main cast which is The kid his dushi friend or some shit but then there's also like four four other people in a room looking at video this kid. Yeah they're talking about how the kid is going to be the prophesied one who's going to help bring balance. I mean not bring bring balance to the forest. i mean basically years. Because he's gonna he's he's the cure to the curse. Yes apparently the the goal of this of this whole thing is for this kid to survive to a certain day thirteenth birthday i believe is right so midnight on his thirteenth birthday. It's supposed to sever the cars for all of them. Well no not that what. It is his his blood will become the the serum. The answer for the curse. Somehow he'll be a bunch of bull. I overheard that particular application. You know to curing. We're know can live like him. Throats so interest these four characters and i don't know the name because i don't fucking care but so there there's a good werewolves and one of them is strapping the other three in the fucking like these giant like leather suits. Because they're about to turn and they don't wanna kill anybody and we pretty much figured that out you know i was sitting on. What the hell are you doing. I said i said there's strapping down. So when they change they won't kill anybody because part of the meeting when they were talking upstairs watching the video they were talking about. How would they just have to avoid killing. They can't feed right. You know. I'll have to do it. Survive the night so they strap themselves in. Problem is the strap themselves in and the bad dudes shows. Yeah so one of them going to look he goes up there. Just look to check on a noisy heard and they know that they tripped few. Remember that. Check on the fuse and then all of a sudden Wally while then people are waiting from the comeback. He's suddenly flies down the stairs on this. I stoop and killed one. I kill i q. His name was ralph by the way. So first kills ralph ralph. The bad one of the bad wolf comes down and proceeds to slaughter the other three offscreen. Unfortunately yep so. Because they're trapped yeah they strap themselves and they can get lose their screwed so they're trying to find information on where the kid is. of course it's the whole their whole mission is finding kid to kill him and this will reduce to are bad. Vampires which is long haired. Do she the girl you said. Okay what are the blue. The blue Are all right. Sorry world's longhaired do she. The girl weasel face. Yeah and then black with dreadlocks. Yep yeah and so. They apparently find out where the kid is. But then we flash forward to where the kid is at the smallest town where nobody fucking apparently. Yeah because it's like middle the afternoon on like a thursday is. Nobody streets massive seen jump. Yeah it's deserted town. Yeah for their people there. They're all in on the rich. Have see later on. Yeah so so then. We introduced to the kid and his mom who you had like a major boehner for the entire fucking episode yip. Yeah like every time. He saw shoes on screen quite a bit at this point in time the saw he was like. Oh yeah she's hot. He's hot. He said like toll fucking times as hot. I mean here's what it was one bad chick. The one bad where was hot. Uh-huh really good looking. But yeah mom. When mom showed up i was done with. Yeah with with the biker badge yeah he he although she yeah. The the mom mom was no competition for you though. No no she. She took it all all of it. Mom would take. Yeah a but before we go too far while while the other the the bad where wolves where wounds were in the basement and the other three guys people were hanging. They were interrogating him and one of them he pulls out a large knife and rams it through one of the dudes chests and then we have killed to actually onscreen screen with a knife. Yeah so we have that. We have already where we're like ten minutes and we have to kill to kill so far. This is a good past. Yeah and then we'll go back to flash forward to where we meet the kid the mom their native american friend. Yes and Heard no her friend elias. Who is like another. Where wolf yeah And he's a good be. He's long haired. She's brother apparently his brother. So the kids Actually don't spoil it quite yet. Let's just who gives a shit they get. that's true. yeah fuck this kid. The little thirteen year old is the son of the do she longhaired. Dushi ask for. Yes and elias. The guy that that they're at what is brother so his his ankle. Yes what's his uncle and then there's a blonde girl who's lies his daughter and then her in. She has a boyfriend who it looks like a douche. As well i do. She's in this is yeah so air all them and then they're talking about how you know they're talking with an old lady. Grandma grandma's too old grammy. How bad how they're coming to get the kid. We gotta move the kid kids in trouble and so they decide they're gonna move the kid but before they get a chance to do that. The four dick heads role in the town again. An empty town. Yes they just ride in. Nobody's to sit. Here they go they riding in trenton. Look all cool and bad ass waving the gun. And nobody's sunglasses and their harleys and yeah while gets to witness their coolness nobody so then So that grandma's starts walking across the street with the boy. Yeah which. I guess they're. They're done eating their eggs or something and walking all sudden granny sees four fucks and produces one of the largest fucking handgun seen since fucking dirty. Harry harry yeah i mean holy shit and she starts going to work on these four bathrooms but not only that but then all of a sudden like the other the other three. Come up and start shooting as well. Everybody in fucking town has a gun this this texas. Yeah it's like that scene in hot fuzz. At the end when everybody everybody's point out a fucking gun. They all have weapons leading. The flower car has a gun in her flower cart. Yep yeah they all start pulling out guns and there's like a ten minute shootout And then what's funny about this as you like trying to win center is all are all these towns people the good we're wolves but i guess not because it really doesn't show any of them there no you he goes pass them and then we're just constrained to these few so then we get another twenty five minutes we we get Killed three when it looks like one of the like the sheriff or somebody gets taken down taking down. Yeah meanwhile the sherve. They're still gunshots. Still shooting from all over the fucking place. Granny pushes the kid away tells them to go run and she covers his ass with too. By the way now she's gearing two pistols. Bad telling you manny is getting better. And i'm telling you what the and the in the entertainment value so far is being maintained pretty high. I mean lots of gun action stuff. Yeah didn't take long to get into it not really blood. So so then as granny's covering them They start advancing and grin and and Bad hot chick shoes granny with a shotgun grain takes at square in the chest but is still going grants. She gets school going. She's a bad as bad as so they finally are The elias a black postal worker. Who's ever friend Native american it sounds like a bad joke And then the mom and the kid all getting into this destruc- and to get them lead time. They need granny's land on ground fucked up but she actually reaches over and she fires at the gas station blows station right and then the bitch gets up. I mean yes. She's taken to slugs and then she takes a shotgun show the chess she gets takes more more fire because she's covering them as we get into the van. She has fighter upon again. I'm sitting there going. Damn grandma's tough well gets right in their face. Yeah and then they start talking and he starts asking you know with the boy is and all this crap and she says you can't have him and all this shit yeah you see her growl and she snarls so she's obviously aware wolf. Yeah raises her arm to fire the gun in long hair last cap and then we get killed for and poor grandma finally goes down for the count. And it took a shot to kill grandma. Yeah he was a tough tough bravo on you and so now. It's a road a road movie. Where like the kid. The they're on the road china. Fucking keep the kids safe from from the four ranger do sheds yet like. It's almost like a bad walk and did episodes. Yeah yeah absolutely. You know what i mean. They're running again in the home and then they ended up In after i take off he tells them he tells the mom who does not know. Apparently this time that they are where wolves yep and so he starts to strap the other ones into the back of the vans. The hell's going on here. Yeah some weird media. Sam shit going on. Yeah but while they're there She sees him transform and so she's she's relatively kind of calm for just coming to the realization that being in the back of a truck full of where where he where after the wall and the boys up front with the with the indian guy. He's calling shit. He's just driving along because he already knows what's going on. Yeah then we cut to another scene where the bad where wolves ended up at a bar and the kill like four three people. I think what it is. Is they come in there. And then we get almost instantly. These two jackasses are starting to this. Barchuk's bar checks yet in the hot biker. We'll check comes in and swipes that and we get killed five kills six and she takes these mother fuckers out with two swipes throat Takes them out. They start grubbing and they start eating on them as group So then they get the kids hospital because he's He's not feeling well for whatever reason and while they're in the hospital The somehow i guess because he's just we're wolves the the the the four bad people find him. Yeah and i. He killed nurse. Kill off screen. So don't count and then what sucks. Because she was sweet. Yeah and kind of cute. Yeah she was she was nice. You know pretty women dying horror movies. That's just the way it works. So then as as they're trying to get the kid added there Man we we is so terribly to kills back to back me up So the the black guy who's a mailman is is running out and as he's running out he gets hit three times in the back and kill seven. You'll goes down. But merely when he goes down because he has the kid and he hands them off to the to the the other people go. Yeah once as soon as he goes down the other black either bad woman. Dreadlocks comes out and allies shoots him dead in the head triple h takes him straight back out to back to back kills of both black people. Yeah so now. We're down to fucking white people again and in the native american indian do. Yeah so it's like a people you got save everything okay. So how some some variety in this motherfucker something go this cave even hiding this cave while they're trying to do and i've died laughing too because this is time for lights out but it's it's like daytime outside. Oh yeah as like lights out. Yeah hey wait a minute. American tells the lights out and put the virus. Clearly daytime outsized ill in you said yeah. Stomped to fire. They won't see us in here. No but while while the hospital stuff went on the the blonde girl kidnapped yes and while they're in the forest they find her. The bad said stronger up in like scratched her embiid at her. Yeah and basically turned her back into being a meat eater yup and so she He finds because they're dating so he finds her brings her back. But then that's a big mistake. Do she runs off because he he misses his little little. He wants to go get his ass literally bitch because their dogs. yeah so They get back on the truck but she's turned so she ends up Killing the native. American guy pisses me off like one hour and one minute ends. And then at that point we get a fucking kill nine. Yep just rips it just turns his head around his neck kills him for no reason to then she then well not for no reason she reached out but i mean i would think she'd killer by them or something but this snapped fucking neck and dry like nothing and he was in middle of shopping down both elias and then the boyfriend yep and he got killed and then the boyfriend has a gun pointed at her toner stop but of course he's not gonna shooter because he's love with her of course. Elias is trying to reach for a gun that native american had on him. But he's half strapped in so he's kind of he can't really reach for it so sitting there because he's got a little hard p p yeah for her and crying like a little bit he ends up taking two or three slugs of the chest killed ten so she is and she takes him out. He's useless anyway so he didn't fucking shit the whole movie. So it's a bright. Percy killing stupid character and then as she begins to approach Elias noah the kids because the kids are coming in the back because she calls them becomes specter with mom or the people are still strapped. Wall snarling and growling. Yeah all this shit. She calls him in the back. He comes back and as she just four. She's about to get him. Elias is able to grab the gun finally course and kill ten now actually. That's and and kill eleven. Kill the blonde and killer. And she's dead and at this point so where seven you know and the end up going to like this warehouse. Where of course the four. Yep not now. Sorry that the three three now now. Three three people find bad. Wolves find him and but they all turn elias. Turns douche turns yup now douches dead. Allies is only one left right. Yeah it's elias mama in the kid versus three of these fucking right right the bad ones. Yeah so we're ridiculous. Yeah we're free to wear will fighting Where as you pointed out. They're able to like they have their rational mind. Yeah at least one. I guess not being meat eater. We turn to where wolf have. Your rational mind still knows he sets a trap one of them and ends up like snares his ass the hippie one yeah jackson as all weapon thing and then cuts the fucking rope and the plummets like twenty stories mash on the floor. He's gone he's gone and killed twelve. Yeah but we're not gonna count those though domino but then then hands up who ended up killing the girl he ends up killing. No no no. Because she goes the girl the bad will girl goes after the mom and the kid because you were there at kid. Bustling to captain shot commander. She jumps down lands on the top of the steel cage that they've locked themselves up collapses in yeah and instead of moving the top and killing the mom. She says there in wrestled which is stupid. It's a time. Waster gives the kid time to get up and grabbed a shotgun which is hilarious because he fires one shot and the and the kid goes flying back because of course right yeah but then kinda funny but they give time for the mom to pick it up and fire like to three more rounds as steroids. Yeah so she's gone to thirty here thirteen years ago. So that leaves right do she. Long hair and elias. That's it and they're fighting and just prior to is going down. We've got mentioned. Allies tells the little boy you know if he has the end up biting one of them. Or you know breaking the skin you'll be transformed back to meat eater and if that happens kill me. That's right so while long hair and lasser fighting he ends up having to bite long hair and then he goes to bite his jugular. But i guess he doesn't bite all the way and after when he thinks he's killed them he comes up and he becomes a bad where will so he starts to go after the kid but Before he can get to the kid the mom has woken up and come back and fires right at him and she's walking around with a shotgun in the high beams on for the rest of the movie. I'm lacking in. This is good. Kills a lion fourteen but then long hair gets back up. Yep and this is where the movie goes really dumb because you know i mean up to this point the where wolf affects. I've been pretty damn good. Yes they are. Pretty good yeah. They're not bad. No but this last season with him he looks like it's like an owl. Here's a way too much way too much no is or way too fucking bag. Yeah and he's got this huge weird looking his the bridge bridge on his nose is too wide and it looks like a fucking like a bar now but i think part of it is done in. Cgi and part of his done practical makeup because see like when you see him in some scenes looks great but then you see some other ones and he looks weird. I don't know a whole lot of sees jain this movie. There was barely any was practical cup. That really it was a really bad. Transformation scene that We saw where He kept like folding into himself like metaphysical form. Yeah he was like yeah. Yeah i was pretty shitty. Cgi she gi shizhai So then the the longhairs walking up to the boy. The boy has a shock. has a shotgun it first drops it. Then he pulls out his pocket knife that he's had And you're sitting there thinking okay. He's gonna stab him. But then he drops the knife and when he drops the knife the the for some reason. Nearby this fucking factory. There's a there's a clock graca. Big ben grandparent. Just because you hear it. b- told twelve. Start chairman yes midnight. So is his birthday. He's he's turned thirteen. Well long hair bites into him on his neck and then you're sitting there going. This is his own kid for one won't be the wearable. If he's he's he have rational mind but then he ends up pulling back and then he The mom comes and smashed beaver strokes. The shotgun sins him down about eight stories. Yeah he falls he doesn't fucking doesn't die but here's something that's inch now. We we mentioned so the other worlds that we that were at it's at the end of this In this last segment when they died we didn't see any on screen you know transformations back into humans. We're going in. You actually say it yourself. How the hell we explain this. We call a corner. Do we call animal control. It's like what the fuck you handle this. So then when he falls he transform back to human but he's dead and what it is. I think because midnight has been breached. Yeah the boy. Never ate anybody and every killing me but i saw the curse was lifted. His pure pure so when he when the when he drank his blood. Who which is the cure. It cured him of the curse. That's true because he killed. He bit him after midnight. Right so then. When you hit the ground he changed back into human and curious curious and then then they leave the factory. They go to his hotel. Get too stupid poltergeist. Seeing there all beat down and looking tired yeah and they go in there to get a room and shit and they're looking in the mirror and it's funny fucking magazine comes. This guy comes. Apparently halloween party grout fit. She spends around throws a gun in his face makes kid. I was gonna ask to use the restroom. But i don't need to himself. He's robie as roma's full of yet rieper. Shit but then so then they go in the room and the kids do a voiceover talking about how His blood is secure. Not in the way they thought though. So they're they're drawing blood from him yup and stupidly. They're they're putting blood into the top of hollow point. Bullets appoint silver bullets. Yeah going up a any contact with silver would kill him you know if they get shot with right. Yeah so so. Why are you putting. Why are you putting the cure. Silver silver bullet onto something. That's gonna kill him anyway. Dart yeah how about a dart something you've given me knowing that but you're you really hoping that the blood drives into the hollow point doesn't get corroded stupid yeah but then At that point again knock on doors and there's a guy who comes up and he's like it looks like drug deal going down. You'll get those needles everywhere. I want to cure man. I want the cure so what was happening. Where wolves are coming to him to be cured of their curse because can cure it and then he talks about how for some insecure for other its destruction of their species. And then that's the end of the movie. And then we get a rock and asked tune movies over james. Dan tasman okay. Well i'm going to have to go straight up and down the real man. I love this movie. It was actually not bad. No it wasn't not bad at all. The acting was not very bad. Usually expect acting to suck and movies like this. Oh yeah for sure Practical effects were decent. Wasn't a whole lot of blood from scratch a little bit of biting stuff whole lot of blood but love the running gun fights love. Yeah bad ass man. Killed story was good. I kinda liked it. The premise two factions. Where will one of them trying to you. Know you know. Just be broken in the courtesy other ones wanna live forever. Whatever To be honest man. I really liked this movie. I'm going with an. I hate to two weeks in a row but yeah i can't quite go one okay because it ain't bad all right damn close. I'm going to go to turns on. it's got like this one. It wasn't We we had some fun making fun of it in certain scenes Because there were there were some times when there were some kind of lulls where we were kind of bored. always happens now. I i really saying that. I really wanna go back and i really wanna watch the the the one that came out. That's not. i'm sure there's more blood. They said they said they took out a lot of graphic violence that is true more blood more actual killing So i really want to see that. Because i think that would make it a whole lot. Better might take it to a one for me especially if there's more exactly Acting wasn't wasn't too bad A lot of people a lot of memorable. Are you know bela celebrities at that. We knew that we knew about And the script was okay. The story was kind of generic kind of dumb but Not not a bad way. Like i said the makeup was a great on the wearables practical effects up that in part where they started looking. Als stunts were good. Gunplay was fine. I mean grandma will wielding dual pistols. Oh yeah was was fantastic. Those yeah getting taken down by shotgun still getting up. I'm not cool with the whole killing them. All minorities like hey man. We need some by diversity in here you know. Yeah kind of deepen this gene pool. But no i actually enjoyed it. I mean i. It's one of those where it's not actually bad bad. Yeah and you know. Like maybe maybe october. When i'm going through that thing where i'm watching scary movies throughout the month or just horror movies. I'm actually pop it in but get good bird but get the unrated version you want you want version with the more got some gas door and all that stuff yeah. They haven't go one numbness one. You are going to go on yahoo giving a one. Yeah so because it's worth it. It's really not bad quite go one because it wasn't quite just not enough. Maybe i'm just so traumatized by the summoning that everything. That's not that a fucking one. 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The Predator

The Complete Guide to Everything

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The Predator

"This is a head gum podcast. Hello. Guide everything a podcast about everything. I'm your thumb. Sorry, I was trying stifling burp. Well, thank you for not burping during the microphone. What to do. We're too far into the show to start over at that point. Yeah, I'm Tim, you were you? Were you coughed over it or something stifled stifle the burp over when I was going to introduce. Well, good. I'm glad you're do. You want to just do the thing. We'll get a clean reading your what thing start from the top. Okay. Hello, and welcome to the complete at everything. A podcast, bad everything. I am one of the hosts, Tom, and I'm Tim, Tom. You seem unsure about that. I'm one of the hosts, yeah. Well, because say one of your host things when you hear too many times, it sounds weird or just make it automatically you've been doing it for ten years. Well, I think I'm hoping that I'll start by saying, I'm one of the host, but by the end of that, you'll feel like I'm one of Europe's. Yeah, that's true. I feel like we are. We have a duty to kind of welcome people in. We are the hosts, yes, but we are also, you're hosts not you the listener, and so we're welcoming you to our communal table. Yeah. So we want to guide you through guess it's right in the name guide. Everything. I guess you're figuring out, why do you think I meticulously crafted that intro? Yes, it is. You're doing a great job. I just don't think he needs to change it to from your to the okay. I wish we hadn't started talking about this because now we're done talking about it. That's it for this week. Now I've got something to say, Tim, I at a boy. I screwed up big time. What else is new, right? No, this is right, right folks. This is. When we're the host and we have, you know, everybody's here. Here's that are communicating. I'd elbow the listener. What else is new, right? Yeah, he some bitch, I saw that. Yeah, and then you turn on them? Yeah. What else is he told you? Hold them. A lot starts print elections, start singing. Start telling me what what he told you. Throttling them. I went to buy my soda the other day and. You used my. Why not just as soda. They regular soda regular soda. How many is this daily soda? No. Hourly soda went to buy a case of it. Okay. Okay. I went to buy my soda my soda. It's for nobody else. I won't this case with anybody. Yeah. I mean, pretty much like I will, but I also know like I'm going to drink that case long before anyone coming. Yeah, case be gone by tomorrow. Nobody's coming over tonight. Twenty four, twelve half case, I guess. Well, now now we're getting somewhere. But I went to buy it and my sort of choice these days is Coca Cola. Zero sugar, right? Very European. No, they're just zero, right? No, they changed their name everywhere to Coca Cola. Zero sugar. Okay. Because Pepsi did it right after them, like the cowards that they are whatever it. So there's no sugar, and there's some other poison that. Poisonous chemical in there that makes it tricks your brain into thinking. It's sweet. Okay, follow. But you know what? I got to casual maybe with my shopping wasn't paying enough attention. I bought a case at cherry Dr Pepper. Dr Pepper, good soda, Sherry, Dr. Pepper, look. It's the same thing as bacon cheeseburger, you think it's going to be good and it's fine. But like it's less than the sum of its parts. I love cherries. I love Dr. Pepper cherry Dr. Pepper. Too much like it's a lot like the first time I drank. Yeah, the first time I drank it, I was like, whoa, like did they change the formula here? They didn't change the former. Today's change the box. So look like a coke. Zero attention to detail is a l'armee only bad. What that you went into by a specific Prenton of soda you? You went in with one, okay. Hey, you had one job like and you put the rug soda. It's very clearly Mark. No, I bought a couple of things. One of the other things I bought actually after our episode about microwave dinners. Last last week I bought a microwave dinner. Yeah, they were all out of ma'am. Please get hungry man. Eight that for lunch today, cheese. Oh God, it was Corbet GE, like I would've rather have like eating flower out of the pack or something for calories than this thing. And then you look at the bag and it's like, this is so bad for you calories to last the week. Now you don't have to eat another one of those for another seven days. Not so much, even the calories. I don't think the calories were like that. They were crazy for how small it was, but it was more like saturated, fat sugar, not sugar the I think, sugar too. And. Sodi get somewhere. Yeah. What? What was the? What was the meal? It was fried chicken and macaroni and cheese. Yeah, you're not gonna get good fried chicken from a microwave? Yeah. This is just, I dunno. I at least be like close to fast food quality. It was like several. So close to Popeye's. Tom. Yeah. I wasn't in the mood for for fried chicken that your mood for microwave dinner. Wanted why race LOP. We've done all that research last week, and I said to myself. You know time to test this theory on myself. Yeah, actually time full disclosure after that episode, you and I and Marija went to whole foods and I didn't see you by microwave dinner there. It wasn't. I told you the other day. It wasn't that night. Then. I don't see the craving. In running in my mind stirring. I think it was probably what I was thinking about when I screwed up and bought this. You know, and I'm so stupid. I saw the doctor bread Dr Pepper logo on the box, and I thought it was an advertisement for about. What does this thing I've ever heard. What otherwise was identical to the coke zero box for the logo. I thought like you exactly what was in the bucks. I thought times must really be tough at Dr Pepper. They're trying to push it on other boxes. It's not your paper and Coca-Cola, the same parent company believe so. Oh yeah, I know. So because my famous story about the time I worked for Coca Cola for a day and. And. Thing. I felt a drug test which like I don't do drugs, but I think that was like, I think there an excuse that you were a little too square. You're not cooling almost broke my foot. I think that might have been other reason why. But the guy when we were to go and stock they, I wasn't looking to work. There is like a flavor test or something. Although I had asked now this is just the distribution distribution. This would be working on a truck unloading sodas during your not cut out for truck work cut out for soda work, though you're gonna for testing the flavor, not even tested the player if they're like, we need a guy to drink a lot of soda. Yeah, put like if you need any kind of expertise or attention to detail, not the guy I was. I was blown away when we got in there because with the first supermarket, we go to, we're headed on the isle who's at the end of the Lyle the Pepsi guy like, oh shit, we have to fight on my first day. That's probably like the frac all your knuckles. No, I sucker punch the Pepsi guy while he was. From behind while he was unloading a ballot? No, but big Kannasuta smack them brand loyal. I can of Coca Cola. But when we were done the guy, the guy was like, I'm gonna put my business card, Dave business cards, put my business card behind the first box of diet. Dr Pepper, I guarantee it's going to be here still when we come back like weeks from now it's like fuck Dr Pepper. And he was like, hey, cursing. Get get sacked. It's like you can go to medical school for seven years to have some punk like you tell them to off. I heard Dr. Diet Dr. Pepper tastes more like the real shit. That's just more than I've heard. That's that's true to read that the side of a coke zero box. All right, Tim, soda talk. Yeah, just full disclosure for the listener. We were going to do a different topic today started preparing. Then Tom blindsided me wanted to do a classic Tom topic. How much do you prepared a lot? Show me your notes. They're all up here and I'm pointing to my head for the listener. Oh, wow. But he has a few notebooks balance on his head and they are full of notes about Instagram. The topic we were gonna do. All right. Well, I take it back and then you called an you. You're like the new predator movie is coming out and must talk about predator. Yeah, I've only seen one predator movie predator. Yeah. In nineteen eighty seven. I thought you were supposed to know all this kind of stuff. Well, maybe I do I ask I nine hundred eighty seven. Yeah. Yeah. June twenty. Seven to twelve. Yeah, who directed it John McKiernan. Okay, nice. And I've also seen AVP aliens aliens vs predator aliens vs predator. Requiem I never saw requiem the first one left such. Taste anyway. So Tom take it away classic Tom topic. Read the predator. The predator. Is it predators? I don't like this recent trend in movies were like, so now there are three predator movies. They're named predator predators and the predator. Well, I come on guy, here's the thing alien alien and then ailing, but that always confused me as a kid. Yeah, but that was cool. And also like if they just made those two movies right. That would that would be like, oh, really? Interesting. And the nowadays and there were like then the next one's gonna be alien three, but get this. We'll make it like the cube symbol. Oh, yeah. Anyway, if they if they did a alien and aliens now on the Marlins now. No, no, no. Nowadays predator now. Hey, you got it. It's captured the case. No modern day predator. They'd make the s in the Ellian on the aliens poster look like a two. Yeah, some silly shifts. I wouldn't trust everybody to understand, say movie again, but you like that when they were they alien alien 's yeah. And then you didn't? Because like when they did it, I was a kid and I was like, wait a minute. Is this one movie or tumors Coca Cola, Dr Pepper? Well, what am I doing here. Well, it was one movie or to movies. I'm not supposed to be able to see in that will scare the hell Adamy when I watch them, which they both did. I got bored. When I watch alien says a kid only paying attention act wasn't. It wasn't. I was a crap kid. A friend of mine dad rented it, and it was like trying to watch it for himself and sleeping over my friend. His dad, his dad was dead bought the house, but like I was probably like eight when that movie came out, it was a new release when when when. Yeah. And I talked the whole time did a plunge of bits. Aliens. Yeah, I was so cute. Men if I were like they giant now, trying to like aliens just came out on like finally, the VHS Valens some eight-year-old Shire wise crack thrall it. I'm telling you, I have, I have. I frequently not frequently. I often see this this man, my friend's dad. He doesn't like me. I think if I had the chance to like plead my case as thirty six year old man like, hey, I'm cool now, like I'm not that shady. Let's go watch alien eight year old that tried to bits while you were just trying to watch a movie food like. Christ. I just wanted to like, I can't go to the movies and see my wife doesn't want to see it out. Can't bring my son. I'll just bring bring it into our house to make everybody watching fucking wise. Crack full-time, r. rated movie. Why did he tell you like, hey, you and your friend go screw off or thing because there's a sleepover spreading. What else are we going to do now? Watch TV. There's only one TV they didn't have cable in the house, but you know, like he would always just rent like whatever new movie he wanted to see watch it. Delo of tail tales from the crypt bordello of blood, Dennis Miller, finest. Worst, Dennis Miller wise cracking in a movie where. Zombies naked ladies, who is this a bunch of naked? Zombies bape. Bape. That's my Dennis Miller. Anyway, that guy aliens. He made us watch lonesome, dove. Anyway, that was like a CBS miniseries based on. I think it's a Larry mcmurtry book. Mercury Murden Murdy, Mary, MC, merge, come on being. In China, being the name Bing doesn't know everything. Pink doesn't know everything, Tim, let me read to you the synopsis of predator. This good synopsis and like you. Larry mcmurtry mercury mcmurtry mcmurtry still with us novelist. He's eighty two years old out in Wichita falls, Texas. You spell that m. c. m. e. r. t. r. e. e. you got soul wrong, like an underwater tree, it's l. a. r. y. okay. Looking at like the tagline, not the tagline, I guess, like the synopsis the plotlines log lines. Each of these movies you can tell like how much better. The first one is all the rest because all the rest have such long involved. Plot synopsis, this is the one sentence in ops for predator. An elite paramilitary rescue rescue team led by major Dutch is on a covert operation Central America when they encounter an alien new hunts them for sport. That's it. There's no fantastic movie right there like you. You walk into any studio in Hollywood. Any idea for a movie here? It is. Spot in the room. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I got nothing else to say. I joy that movie and I don't like movies like that. What? You know what I enjoyed about it. What's that? Didn't tell you anything about the predators at some point, like even the beginning or at the end, you see that at like two Malian. Is it at the end? They show spot of a shot of space in the very beginning. You see the aircraft, the spaceship landing or like falling down to earth and that's it. Yeah. And then it's just like an invisible thing. That's hunting. Yeah, but cakes. Yeah, all the beefcakes. They don't know what it is like dash. Don't even spend that much time speculating because their dislike doesn't matter the trying to kill us. We have to kill. It doesn't matter where it came from, what it is, what do they say? If it bleeds, it leads, no, it bleeds, we can kill it. Yeah. This movie has a bunch of one liners about blood. Yeah, if bleeds it leads, they say to plead it leads. That's my Arnold. Anybody was concerned that a jet was taking off in the studio. I don't know what that was, but we heard it to. You're not going crazy. Yeah, nine. If it if it bleeds, we can kill it. I ain't got time to bleed who says that governor Jesse, the body of Jesse, the mind, Ventura. And which I'll do a sect. But the shame black is an actor in this movie about to get into that lead me into this, hey, if it bleeds, it leads right. The bleed into this. Very underrated in when when Jesse Ventura says, ain't got time to bleed it. Shamed, Black's character who Hawkin Hawkins. I think it is who tells them like. Hey major, you're bleeding. And he says, I ain't got time to bleed. Very understated right after that shaped like just goes. Oh, okay. Somebody says you be. Right, but at the same time. All right, buddy. See what the other guys are up to. Now. Yes. So Shane black who directed the new, though predator movie that is out now. He also wrote the lethal weapon movies, last action, hero last boy scout here he wrote the last. Do Allah g? Yes, a long kiss. Goodnight, iron man, three. He wrote at believe, directed the nice guys which I've been trying to get you to watch forever. He said, I know that I'd like put also stuff trying to you to watch this movie. I've never gonna watch good movie. It's so much fun anyway. Yes. So she black wasn't an actor at the time. He was like a new screenwriter and what he's like a nerd right in the movie. He's a nerd kind of we go through all the people in it. I would love to. I would love nothing more Alan Dutch Schaefer. Yeah, which is the worst name to give Arnold Schwarzenegger Dutch. Alan Dutch. Nobody ever calls them Alan shapers. We have to get Alex Shaffer it on this. No, they said we need to get Dutch. Yeah. And then he meets up with Carl weathers. Who plays George? Dylan? Yeah, and known as just Dylan. Yeah, they do that. Yeah, that handshake that's really shake hurt around the world. Yeah. What is that? They were trying to prove dominance. They were meeting for the first time in a while. They were glad to see each other also, so they slap hands. But then as they're slapping hands and their muscles are glistening, how did they get a west? How'd their biceps get all wet jungle our in in, they're supposed to be in South America. So I think it's just like it's super hot and humid. Everybody's sweating the muscles or always glistening down here in South America. Everybody's always weady. Yeah. And glistening didn't know that, but I'll tell you how. Gotten the South American math and Central America who gives us shit. Fair Floyd. I've learned all to Lert all the countries. Yeah. Okay. It's a fun game and I'm expanding my mind. It is. You can't go down there and visiting these countries. Yeah, venture once I learn learn where they are for God's sakes to, you know where Suriname est. I didn't even know that was a country. Well, is it a country? It is. Where is it? South America. All right. Hey, that's working. No, they, they slap hands and they do like a little arm wrestling. And the point of it Tim is because is trying to prove to Dylan that the has pushing too many pencils. He's too busy push pencils instead of pumping iron. Right? Which is what Arnold was doing as evidenced from the film pumping iron. Yeah. Yeah. And gone south is, yeah, she's the woman in the movie who has seen the predator. Yeah, she's the only one of the main cast that was also in predator two. And she's barely imprinted or two peers on a TV screen. Really? Yeah. Is it just a clip from predator one? No. Like watching predator one prepare for fighting the predator? No, I think it's like on a TV screen. She's like showing a group like where. Parrot or one happened. She's referring to spread it or one. This is where pride or one happened. You guys nosing get ready for pro to, which I think is happening now or is about to happen. Yeah. Who's next on the list whore. Hey, poncho Ramirez? Yeah, that's sunny land right note. Richard shove is. Oh, yeah. Billy is. I don't know who any of these guys are. MAC Elliott is played by Bill Duke? Yeah, Bill Duke. I mean, that's he's an eighties action icon Lizzy. Yeah. Once you see a picture Bill Dookie it'd be like, oh, that guy he's from kipps. I know that much. That's all I knew. He never mentioned these in movies. He's in exit wounds. He's in a lot. I can't remember. He's in. He was in commando. Jesse governor Jesse the mind. Ventura was Blain Cooper. Yeah. The one. Greetings that this movie is they all have awesome names. What makes blame nobody called Tim? They're all tough guys don't call each other by their first names. If I have a son, his first and middle name will be Bleene. Cooper Benji gets his asking that school, but that's mostly because he's my son, right? And not just be like screw into a ball. Anybody comes up to you and system mean getting the field position? That's mostly because he'll be my son and I plan on sending him to the school that all my enemies sons go to school of hard knocks. Yeah. Make little blame junior into playing Cooper, junior. I think they call them Cooper in the movie like. Mr. Hooper. Yeah. For hanging with Mr. Cooper, though, Rick Hawkins, Shane, black and Homer l. Phillips g Armstrong played by. We mentioned sunny, are you did did okay. That guy's maniac. He's dead now, sunny, Landon. Yeah. They during the production of the movie stuntman whenever they cast a stuntman into a an actor's role, you know, shit's going down because it's like there's so many stunts this guy has to. Stuntman guy who can't even act. Yeah, well, but apparently they hire a bodyguard. The studio hired a bodyguard for him, but the body urged job with protect everybody else from him. And everybody else is fucking Arnold. Schwarzenegger and coal weather's Zora. So imagine a Studio B. The mortgage about this guys, a man with a gun, I think so something like that. Maybe maybe like always keep an eye on them so you can sneak up on anyone. I'd like to have that right reputation. I mean, look, I can't ever become a mess, muscle man, Tom, you know, this become a muscle man. I have such ragions. I'd be. Daytime that anybody that crossed me anybody that like walked into a subway before I could get out of the subway, like snap their necks. Pick them up and bring them down over your knee, breaking them in half. Exactly. Like doomsday did to pay. Yeah, it was bane. Did Batman, he broke his back well, yeah, I guess doomsday did the superman only comic I ever read Tom, the death of superman. He didn't break his Ben many grew. Being when Bain daddy broke is back. I don't know. I don't know from Bain Thome. We're talking being capital in which count me in get rich dollar sides is Tom. So I was looking up some of this other stuff about sunny land him. Because he is, I was like, wait, I mean, he was so unstable. They like hired a bodyguard, like all right there to be more to this guy. He tried to become the third predator actor to be governor. He ran for governor of Kentucky. He ran for governor of Kentucky. He was like a one issue voter. One issue candidate one issue, can't it going after one issue voters, but he like I think, grossly overestimated how many people who'd be interested in this issue, and I don't know the specifics of it, but it was basically an amendment that was being made to Kentucky family court that he opposed, and he was like, screw this marine for governor just to get rid of this amendment. And the reason why he's so familiar with Kentucky family court was because he was married five times. Families families. He had also prior to this, spent three years in prison for making threatening and obscene phone call. Sue is wife nice. So they sent him to prison for three years. And then. Go ahead to is current wife. No, no. This must have been a few wives early. He's no longer with us. Sunny. Sorry. Clan. You might not be sorry, this reading the last factor which was one issue. It was about this amendment. I don't know what the, it'd be like, yeah, you should be allowed to kill your wife. I am mentioned it probably had something to do with like what family court really frowns upon killing your wife, do this, or even just calling up in telling you you're going to kill her. Yeah. They'll send you to jail for that on his Wikipedia did mentions like in his bio? Yeah. A few sentences like his like background because us part nave American. He's playing like a native American character in the in the predator movie. And then also mention that he he is of Jewish heritage. So I'm reading that I'm not really paying attention, but then I was looking for another article at the bottom, you know, in the footnotes on Wikipedia and notice that like, you know, he's Jewish heritage was like a footnote three. The headline to footnote three was sunny lane calls for genocide of all Arabs and Muslims. You really buried the lead here on like, oh, we found out from this article. He's Jewish and hates everyone who's not. Yeah. Oh my God. And like reading it was from it was a transcript from a Republican primary debate. Where he called for that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, outright he is. It was post nine, eleven? And he was like, Nope. President said, like, you're either with us or against us. And people were like, like the other candidates were trying to hedge, sir. I don't. I take issue with like using those kinds of names and then them cuck stem. What. Wait, I say that sounded like that. We have issue with you using. 'cause he was like using slurs and as like, if you have a problem with that. No problem. I'll just call them and they use like other slurs, but don't worry. Stayed civil. Sunny Landon. We, we lost to seeing. He so also during this filming of predator. You got all these beefcakes right yet. I defied in a movie with more beefcakes magic, Mike, XL magic. Mike didn't take place in in the South American jungle. Yes, everybody wasn't sweaty. Yeah, but they were greased up oil dumps guys are all up to. They just said it was what guess. True, but they were all hyper competitive with each other and would all secretly they would wake up before everybody else to work out because they a lot of them will wake up at three a. AM hoping to beat everybody else because they wanted to be the most pumped up. Looking guy on that day. Wouldn't you if you were a beefcake? Yeah. And you were in like, that's how you you scare identity, that's. That's how you felt you related to the world. Then suddenly saw these other beef. Usually you're on a set, you know, when all sorts Egger made Terminator use only for miles show on this. They're like, hey, look at the freak. This out freak everybody else, including the guy that they have to hire potty court to keep everybody else from killing Arabs. Carl weathers told everyone that he didn't need to work out that all of his musculature was an actual, and then he would work out in secret when nobody else's around. Let's. Good, good tax, like a weird maniac thing end like apparently this entire shoot was like unbelievably hellish, like it was super hot during visible predator, running around, killing the say, nothing, invisible, predator, run around killing people. Okay. Let's wrap this up. Predator was. At the end of the movie, they kill the predator or they wound the predator or an old has like pinned down. And then what happens and then you never actually see the predator. He's like very badly wounded, right? No, basically the predator code of honor is they will uncloaked declerk bef- like when it's one on one as a show of respect, you know, and it's like, well, there's guys around. I'm to stay invisible. Everybody thinks reverts. I don't recall is everybody except Arnold killed. Yes. The girls not great because she comes to the girl, the one girl in the movie. I don't think they know her name in the movie. She seeks Spanish Hawkins speak Spanish, but he's the first one killed. Right. Yeah, so the predator declaw take on Arnold and then he takes off the mask and that's when he says, you're one, ugly, mother, you know, you know, the rest did they say, did it go. The parent or spits out his drink when he says, and it can beenleigh covers the the part where you're saying it. Yeah, so he doesn't kill him. He just maimed him. He, he has him like. Beat Nomorza death. And basically it's like a moment where it's like, yeah, I beat you the, oh. The, oh. Kill you. Kill these beefcakes. Yeah, but I'm not going to finish you off. Yeah, I think he like picks up a rock and he's about to smash his head in, but then he's just like this things like wounded. I can't do this. Come back in the sequel. We'll know I'll tell you what he does. He pulls out his his risk communicator and does a few tippety taps on it. And all of a sudden it starts counting down and the predator starts going. And then Arnold puts together. It's a bomb, the runs off, and indeed it was. 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There's a blue dot com and get your first shipment free when you when you use promo code guide just pay five dollars shipping. Again, that's b. l. u. e. c. h. e. w. dot com promo code. Tim, here's more about predator one. It's the predator man. That's the name of the episode. I don't see in the new movie. Here's the messed up thing. Predator. Got Arnold Schwarzenegger and Carl weathers. A murderer's row. Some cases literally, and then they get nobody except for l.. L. pedia Correa back for the second one. Yeah. What do they get freaking Glover and Gary Busey. And just when he thought he was too old for this shit and Shane Blackett, nothing to do with that. And presumably shame. Black is buddies with Anglo. Ver- also, did you come Dan? Glover. Danny Glover. Okay. Like. Daniel Bill paxton's in this movie Bill Paxon only actor who's been killed by a predator and alien determinator frigging Morton Downey junior's in that movie how? Yeah. Forgot about that. And more Downey. Junior the weirdest gay lived? Yeah. A bad man. When I was a kid, I meant Morton Downey junior or study land him when I was a kid. I thought Robert Dynegy was more Niger son, of course. Really makes sense. It's like they pulled junior, I don't know, but they kind of looked similar. Anyway, you want to talk more look, you said predator one only worthwhile, and I think there's some good people in both movies. Oh, absolutely. Downey junior and they're good moments in Poder too. I actually really liked the idea of having. I mean, dang lovers basically playing his character from lethal weapon in predator two. But like I kind of liked that idea of like, yeah, there's like an NYPD detective. That's just kind of like what I don't the hell am I up against here. Predator did tour. So they've been trying to get Arnold back for every single predator jokes on them. He only does great movies. Well, no, because he told them he would be back and they took him at his word. You said more than one? Yeah, and they're like, Nope. Guys. I just saw the lace Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. There is a specific call after us telling us he would be back. He wasn't. The sex criminal that they cast in the newest movie. Oh, okay. They as a little confused because I know that they had sex criminal and the new movie. They cut his scene. Okay. The sex criminal scene. Which we'll get to later. Will they wanted Arnold and every single one of these movies. And like every yen. Actually, honestly, like a lot of them. He was like, I don't think he was even necessarily at the scrip. Was that good? He was like, there's not enough for me to do. I think he was more or less like no gimme like thirty million dollars and had me star in this right them wanted to do that. Maybe predator too. I think are originally like the first prayed idea that suddenly, yeah, Arnold getting real picky when the predator people come sniffing around. You know, it's gotta be. It's gotta, be close guys, been garbage movie after garbage movie. Terminator alone. He's been in like, you know, four Terminator movies and they're making another one right now in Hungary. Yeah, I almost donated to anti gerrymandering thing to fly to Budapest and meet Arnold set what a thrill out guide if you won that. I'd be so jealous. I would do that. I was considering like singing because it's one of those six where donate money in the more you donate the more chances you get to win. I was gonna sick like I was gonna take a lie. But it like twenty five thousand dollars. I probably wouldn't have one, but if I won. Probably still wouldn't have been worth twenty five thousand dollars to like meet Arnold Schwarzenegger for like seconds and you being a cool picture? Yeah. Okay. Go fight the all the Tom innate. Here's an idea that sucker punch him. If you. And you don't sucker punch him why he's an old man now, don't sucker punch them and also, Tim, I have. No. Fusion if you did that, he would turn around and just pummel you into fucking he would meet if I suck your punched him. He wouldn't do a goddamn thing too. Like you wouldn't even feel it swat away like the must be relies on the set? Yeah. Now that probably make even more men, no fly or lose me stamp. Pro switzerland. Yeah, they've tried to get. Hurt. So much. I mean, I don't. I don't like them that much. He he was always on videos in gym class when I was a kid telling me work harder. Yeah, I was like it's because of this man that I have to run the mile. This thing somehow ring a miles going to turn me into him. Yeah. It didn't. There's still time. So do steroids tub, what should I do steroid? We've talked about this. The bullet should take steroids and become just like monster, right. That'd be fun. That'd be a good bit. Yeah. The next live show we showed up. We couldn't even fit through the door year until the next time we did the leaded bug it unless something has gone terribly wrong a couple of days ago. We're recording this before London shows maybe baby. We such an uproar and international incident so far the Queen is still alive, right? I'm always afraid before our lunches tweeds get a die and they're just gonna. Cancel all the events. Yeah, and we're gonna be shit outta luck. We've bought our plane tickets and hotel rooms. What do we do? Just party in London. We wouldn't have to mourn. Oh yeah, close Plum. They probably close everything in the pumps are pretty sad anyway. Maybe they'd only keep the real sad ones open. Begging go here because it's a good place to be sad, brother. Yeah, yeah, we should get super ripped when the. No, anytime that rip. Yeah. Okay. If we showed up at they'd mix, live show ripped riddled with acme, but here's the thing, how bad could steroids be. Loan is frigging what? Seventy years old and he's ripped. He's obviously on steroids and he's going strong. No Arnold. I mean, he says he hasn't Newsham anymore, but like he he is a lot earliest career because they weren't illegal yet. Yeah, I think I mean, kids if you're listening, don't do it this outlet, the red. Oh, yeah. Punter pills telling people to do steroids are driving a cool. Yeah. Yeah, Jesus Christ six months tres. Thank you rich betting. Speaking of sex monsters. Actually, it's a bad. Van Damme Ziaur Israel. Predator. Did you know that I thought Kevin Peter Hall was Kevin. Peter Hall became the predator. But van JEAN CLAUDE van Damme was the first predator in a completely different tosses sex, pest known that wasn't the Qasim. The costume was kind of like a dog with grasshopper legs. There's that woulda made a bad movie. Is this like a jaaz situation where like they realized that the effects were so bad that they had to like cut out the effects as much as possible hind. So what happened was they hired Sean Claude van Damme because they're like this guy's hot, the muscles from Brussels. He's going to be very, you know, like a quick and elegant and nimble has an alien and that's going to make it look scary. But the costume is so it had like grasshopper legs like backward legs, like a dog has and like it just didn't work right. Like the couldn't really move in it. It looks like shit. There are a lot of I do get mad their videos. Online of this thing, and people are like, this looks like toll garbage, but the videos are usually it's an all red suit, which was how they did the optical camouflage like that was not what it was gonna look like on film when they did optical camouflage of the Prater they use like an all red suit as well. But anyway, dreadlocks did this, Doug man, costume have dreadlocks. It look completely different. Real quick shirt. The gym Hinton exhibit at the museum that moving image a couple of days ago. How often do you go there? Stuff to it now is the same. Actually, there's less stuff. But there is this little kid there and his dad is data's trying to get this loud little kid into stuff, and he's. Ralph the Pummit piano playing Doug. Yeah. In like the kids running through the exhibit. It's it's an exhibit of Jim Henson's like puppets up and stuff and his life's work, which was puppets. Not not entirely. Tom. You should go see this. You wanna go go every two or three times a week, and this the dad was trying to get the kid into Muppets and not a good way to do it. Yeah, but he's a, hey, come back, come look at this. This is a very famous muppet pointing to Ralph big, Ralph exhibit goods. Dog guy, I love dog guy. Listen, this man, what a little punk? Yeah, just set him straight kick this shit. Punch of sorts. Yeah. Real big man hit a kid that Ralph's name was Doug. So excited that Doug. This is my story. That I was with. It was funny. There's hoping Sesame Street exhibit. Again, this isn't. I didn't hear this. Put somebody else with heard it. There was a girl that walked in a woman that walked in. It was all the Sesame Street Muppets and stuff, and this woman to her boyfriend or whatever he was like, oh my God. No, you don't understand. Like I used to watch this show when I was a kid. I saw this like these characters I saw whenever I go to my dad's office like they play this show for me. Fucking Sesame Street. What do you think everybody's there for you? Idiot just been thawed from the ice from? Yes. She was like, oh my God. Yeah, like I'm the old like, no, no, no, no, no, no, like this is crazy. Yeah. Like, oh my God, I thought I never thought I'd see this again eighty so mad all the time and everybody was even somebody USA. I heard it secondhand they, we were eating a meal after I stuck a knife so hard the table that they asked us to leave. They could get the knife. So the van Damme Qasim wasn't working and also, presumably van Damme was being like a real piece of shit to work with like he always is. So they fired him. This is kind of crazy. They shot for six weeks and then they shut down production for eight months. And then pick back up and film the last four weeks and months? Yeah, the cost him just wasn't working in all of us. I, you know, I just do the movie called the Tom Neetu STAN Winston. We should get STAN Winston to do the predator. All right. We'll call STAN Winston up. And in Winston, did the Terminator. Like years and stuff. So the robot? Yes. Shanna Stanley skeleton. He's like, urinal Terminator. There's not that much what that was all puppets and stop motion and everything. When he was like the Terminator like scary, he was very infrequently, the Terminator, no, but like his skin gets ripped off at one point. And you see that you sign a real Terminator see a lot of evil that and then like I guess STAN Winston's pretty good. The last seen the Terminator it's all stop motion. It's just the Endo skeleton. Freakin Rudolph, reindeer. While red is now retinas. So they're like, yeah, we'll get San Winston. Apparently, San Winston is working on this while he was playing with James Cameron. James Cameron was like, you know what? I've always wanted a robot a plane. Yeah, so much stuff happens because people to be on the same. Yeah, and and they weren't coincidentally on the same flight. I think they were like on their way Japan for like the Terminator premier, make sense, and they knew each other. And he knew James Cameron new from the same place. Arnold Schwarzenegger did the Terminator. Yeah, the movie. They all worked out right. Makes sense. Apparently, James camera was like, you know, of I was wanna see monsters. Mandible 's and nipples mandible cz. You know, like. Al, I'll throw them on this guy the predator. And yeah, he's playing Cameron came up with that. Yeah. You should set it. Thousands of feet hundred the seat. No, no. James Cameron apparently is like very loose with ideas. Like if he has the suggestion for somebody like he gives it to him and is in like, and make me a fucking producer on it. Just like, here's a, here's a year's a idea. Had mandible ever detachment. One of the nice Maine. But yes. So what's the name of the actor that took over Kevin Peter Hall? Yeah, you're calling the voice. Yes. Dino. Who else? Kevin hall played. Maxwell smart, the sixties TV show get smart. TIMMY played Harry from Harry in one hundred zero. Yes. He did seven foot to this guy, and he guest starred on night court as a huge gentle mental patient, Hugh Hugh who humorously towered over bailiff bull, Shannon taller than bull. Ain't gotta see. Here's also two, two, seven. He was on a bunch of stuff he was. He passed away. Yeah. Tolman no, he got aids through a blood transfusion God. Yeah, it was died of aids related, pneumonia. Glad. Do you think that's funny joke, don't think that is very funny. Actually, he God, he was. Me when he passed away. Yeah. Makes you think about my mortality. Hose. The other role he was up for he was up for something not just because he was seven foot two. Some iconic role that it didn't go to him. But I mean, frigging he Jehan no, the Prater and an Harry and the Anderson's, though that's pretty iconic. I wonder if the guys the beefcakes onset were afraid of them because he was so tall, probably not Senate land. And he couldn't see the mass. So he had to like memorize everything with the mask off, and then they would put the mask on them. See, this is where I'm confused. I don't remember the predator being in the movie, seeing this mostly invisible title. Yeah, but at the end, he's not invisible for like a minute and a half. No, for like a good chunk of the movie and like there are parts in between. We're like, you don't get a great look at them, but he's declaw like up in the trees, like checking out the skulls. He's got, and you see, like over shoulder, you see, like, you know, like it's he's wearing like netting. He's wearing fishnet suit and he's got like claim you look in lizard skin really recall town. I got a question. Yeah. The bubbling sound was inspired by a mixture, the visual, the creature, and a recollection of a dying horseshoe crab. Who's your collection? The Cullen, the guy did the voice. They replaced him in predator. Two. Hal rayle. Tom. So this is some sort of sick joke, twenty years after predator too. There's these two movies that have beefcakes all over them. Twenty ten. They make predators and the cast Adrian Brodie in to- for grace. The two freaking ain't beefcakes Adrien brody's pretty beefy in this movie what? Yeah, he takes his shirt off and you're like, wow, you got beefed up for this. He's cut, but not beefy. No, he got beef. He's actually not as cut as you would think. He's pretty cutting it. I me I'm sure he used steroids do that. Would you talk to him? And I think Tova grace, his character. It's like one of those characters that in the spoiler all these movies have one woman in them. Well, they're, they're beefcake movies, Tim there for women, good movies, and they Ogle the beefcakes. They can't wants to. Predator they going wow lead. Yeah, Carl weathers just go one of his arms blessed off, but look at our ripped is, you know. Oiled up is. Yeah, they're not very many women in the Prater movies, which is lucky for them because a lie, the women are dealing with predators and everyday life. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, in the pray, this particular Prater kills a lot of the people he comes across. So they cast a sex offender as the predator predator movie. No. Apparently there was a scene with a. Registered sex offender where he is like. Cat calling Olivia months character. And I guess afterwards, Livia mon- fan out. He was. A registered sex offender of Shane? Yeah, yeah. A friend of shame, blacks. He's cast in a few different things and shame, blacks, like apologize, of course, and they cut the scene. But his thing was like, yeah, I was like misled about the like actual thing that happened like, I didn't know it was like a child thing. I mean, so you know any kind of sex offender it, hey, child or an adult? Oh, yeah. Be casting a movie, his ashamed, black and like the other people in the in the scene should be told like, if surf everybody on the movies. Okay. With it, that's one thing, but they weren't told because obviously most people would not be okay with that. This movie is star studded. The new one? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Jacob Tremblay apparently also very bad as a little boy Livia Munn as disgruntled science teacher and a woman who regrets being in the movie because a six predator is in it. Yeah. Sterling k. Brown. Keegan, Michael key, Tom is Jane from the penis show on hung. Yeah, HBO Jacob UC is the son of Gary beauty? Yeah. A role who was born to play more with one. Alan and Brian prints and introduce Ryan prints as the predator. I wonder if he's another tall man, probably apparently snoop Ritter. They've got like an even taller predator. They're innovating. Yeah, that's that's. Sounds like that stupid. These are things. I don't like what the predator keeps getting taller, taller, predators, because you're frayed of tall. Visit is to make them fifteen feet tall, and I don't like these movies when they make like a like a predator into a good guy. Some be Abaga the predators real pieces of shit. Let me tell you. They're toying with bidding. But people are always like, oh, but like they have a code of honor like his like imprint or to the same way. Freaking those people that kill elephant. Yeah, use this Melis machine worse than that because like impera to they, they make a point of like he sees through thermal vision like a woman's pregnant and leaves her alone. Like there are a lot of parts that you know declaw works when it's one on one and like against ARL details. It's all a game to these yet goes, takes off all of his armor and everything but the, but the thing that doesn't make them honorable is like, yeah. And then when they lose fucking nuke the whole place, they're losers, sore loser sanctimony pieces of shit. These predators, I'm sick of it. He like they show go to t. CGT dot com for all the things, Tom, we'll tell you more. You can follow up on Facebook, Facebook dot com. Slash complete, guiding false on Twitter at complete guide. Follow me on Twitter and Instagram, Tom Reynolds, and you could follow Tim on those things that your pal, Tim, Twitter. Also. Support our sponsors. If if that's something you'd like to do, you can check out our patriot at TC g. t. dot com. Site pledge for a bunch of fun stuff like weekly, Minneapolis, odes, and GT dot com slash is on for your normal everyday Amazon shopping. Did you know that predator too was initially, the first movie rated NC seventeen? Was it very sexy is very violent so much violence that they made it. NCAA, but then they were like, oh, no, we don't want this. The first seventeen movie will cut out a couple of. Naturally get you n. seventeen. I don't know. Do you know the the, some of the people, the predators fought in comic books, Tim, Batman, he's fought Batman. He's fought aliens. He's fought terminators. He's fought superman. He's fought the Justice league of America. Judge Dredd Tarzan everybody and Archie Andrews. Why? Yeah. Did he win the predator one? Yes. Okay. So aren't you died? Yeah. The predator win after Veronica. He no, not that in that way, you want to kill Voronin. Now I was just like. I wouldn't take. I'd rather fight Archie than Veronica. You know why he was trying to kill Veronica to get her dad's fortune, no freighters for money. There you idiot. 'cause he turned Adia crush on Betty. The predator getting Veronica of the way he saw them fighting and he was like, oh, they don't like you. I know impress Betty, I'll kill Veronica Betty now dating the predator because he freaking murdered a lady. That's how it ends. Really. It ends with Veronica, like almost is. And when she wakes up Betty head used like a machine to like he'll her and Betty was in the process of using that machine on the predator to make them look like Archie comic books, fucking stupid. We'll see next week. That was a hate gum podcast.

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Mental Health in Horror

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Mental Health in Horror

"Hello and welcome to right the omnibus. I'm your host aerial baske- and today i am so pleased to introduce you to two amazing people who i've been working with rather a lot lately. Atoms stovall and robbie's tobby. Both of them are here to talk about mental health in horror raba. It should be noted. We'll be my co-host going forward. And adam is my producer on my new film. Our first priority. Which wasn't an agreement. We made not long after this particular podcast was recorded. But before i talk about any of those things. I need to introduce you to rob ya anyway. Yes at aside all that aside let's start. Let's start first things first before we get. Shoot even you anything else. I warn you chest say thank you so much for coming on and for green to bmi co host going forward now that have reached the anniversary of ride the noticed. I can't tell you how thrilled i am. The you're going to be my co-host and i'm super excited. I'm so honored that you asked me first of all and second of all. I love doing this and i love talking to us though. This makes all kinds of sense on so many different levels so for our listeners. Who may not know ravi net on clubhouse amir for months ago but not even two months the end of march so yeah. We're now broaching june. So it's been two months and two days. That's a little terrifying my now because friday feels very much like my sister from another mr. I feel like we've connected so much on. So many different issues. Very directly related to pop culture and justice and ravi has her own label. The culture curator. Would you like to explain. Your background is cultured curator. Yeah so it starts with me being are pysche online. That's my my marketing. Hcf my business. That i freelance under end. I started to sup. Label called culture agency where i sort of focusing more on pop culture and stuff that were mostly entertainment because in general so work in tech and a few other industries but i wanted to hone in on pop culture knowledge and from that i wanted to start branding myself more or just showing off. Basically that i that i am a culture and a pop culture expert not just by label but actually real-life and have given guests colleges to mba students on international culture especially asian culture and pop culture. I do trend analysis and whatnot. So i i know my stuff. But how do i ran. Myself was nowadays everything about personal renting rates. So how do brand myself. In a way that. I can make people know outside if the people that already know me and approached me for this that i do this. And that's kind of how the cultured curator was born. And that's a label that a us basically for myself kind of like. Oh on on on club. How people will have labels for me as well. And now i'm expanding on that with my newsletter and soon some other stuff and it's super exciting that she also recently became the queen of horror us and that is a title that i proudly all her as the person who knows the most about the most genres and sub genres of horror from every country and era in space. In time. how you've amassed this wealth of knowledge. I feel that. I always feel when people compliment me on this and then tell me like oh she must so much i'm like i don't even know half the but i guess that's part of knowledge knowing i think knowledge and wisdom comes from the fact that you know that you know nothing. Basically you know the more you don't know is actually greater wisdom than what you know exactly exactly and a half this hunger for knowledge and i've always been super interested in pop culture and in horror but also just different cultures and knowing things and understanding people. I think it comes down to understanding people because i think horror is a very intricate part of society whether we want to acknowledge it in mainstream media or not because as a reflection of true feelings. That's what what horrifies us you know goes all the way back of course to stuff like night of the living dead where this main character spoil for anyone who hasn't seen that movie from so many decades ago but this movie had a main character that was black and that was during the civil rights movement and romero didn't per se do that on purpose. But it's very interesting that at the end of this movie against booker alert. The black man is the one who survived because he's being smart about things and the people who are in this house. You know barricading down against zombies are more afraid of the black man in the house with them obviously white people then the zombies outside trying to eat their brains and then the devastating ending of this man. Who's done everything he could write to survive this movie. Only to be gunned down by white policemen at the end and data for me was just being younger and looking at at horror movies whether they from the west or from asia or africa which is know part of my heritage ethnically. It's so much a reflection of society in asia. You have so much purnomo stuff because we grow up on that stuff. Basically you know your bedtime stories are well. Don't do this and this or don't leave that room open or don't put nail polish on your big toe before you go to bed because a which will come and eat your toe or something like that. You know there's stuff like that you grow up on. It's always been the scares so yeah that's always interest me so much and i'm just always so hungry for knowledge so it comes down to. I was six years old reading encyclopedias. Refunds up to this rob yet. I are very similar in that you know that growing up just reading encyclopedias in trying to devour everything we could yeah. I think that's so interesting. And why i think goal mesh very wall doing this together and other projects is that and i've made this joke before. They all was not even a joke. It's it's a true statement by now but we are in some type of sisterhood is very clear amongst us both with our identities. The fact that we're votes boonies but also on top of that our interest in how far we're willing to go to research and to dive into stuff not to show off or per se like. Oh we need to know everything forty external. It's all the internal and it just happens to come out handy when we're in social situations but the both of us click complement each other on that and that's amazing to see. I also love the fact that we both have the same mindset. That women you know are aren't competition for each other. There is enough space for everyone and we are both from marginalized groups. Why would compete with each other instead of creating more seats at the table for each other. So i love that about you aerial and that's something that can really commend you on. That makes me more excited to be part of this podcasting family. Well i love everything that you do and all the work that you do. All this wilshire arabian. I will be writing a book together. also involved in might movie project that will be coming out soon. It's a pleasure in joy to collaborate with robbie because you connect on so many different deep levels that i don't feel i've connected with anyone before in quite the same way so it's really lame thing and i feel like the podcast is only going to grow from here and you have a very unique voice and style and additionally you bring a lot of wealth of topics that i don't understand very much and so i think things are only going to grow from here and i think it's gonna be wonderful. That's great yeah. I'm looking forward to it. I am happy to dive in do so many different topics. And let's expand our universes absolutely thank you so much for our listeners. You'll hear a lot. More of her dulcet tones. Going you can definitely count on some fabulous conversations. Thank you area. Who wanted to call this episode. A healing power of horror in terms of talking about mental health and horror. Why specifically horror is so helpful in helping people who may struggle with mental health issues either expressing their own identities within those mental health issues or feeling some sort of validation of who they are within those films and film space and so. I thought maybe we could start from that feeling of validation and any discussion. You wanna have around. How horror creates validation. I also was thinking about. Maybe going to a time where you've identified with monsters identifying with final girls creating sort of a thickening of your skin any of those that speak to you that you would be interested in talking about. I think it's interesting. The the question of validation. I think horror give us a profound sense of community and community brings with it validation because literally nothing will make you feel like you're not alone like other people talking to you. Yeah and i think it attracts. I can say this. Because i grew up the weird kid at attracts the weird kids. It attracts the kids. That you know aren't playing in my own case like i wasn't playing sports. Even though i did play sports. I cared about art. Too much amazon. Told that i was wrong. And i should care about what everybody else cared about. If i wanted to get along with them and it's like well why can't they care about the future like i do And horror because of the enthusiasm of it. You know like it starts. I think in the filmmaking of like stan winston or james wale or harry rate our eric has like they're so excited about the projects that they're making in the cool shit that they're pulling off and you can't get Pump dates from the screen. And i think the people who are drawn to these movies or gravitate towards these movies get that kind of the the drug that they want from it and they want to share it with other people and they're accustomed to being the only person in the room with their black t. shirt on and so when they go somewhere and somebody else has a black t. shirt with a skull giving side either like. Hey and yeah. That's like the best thing you can do for somebody. You just make them feel less alone. I completely agree with that in high school and even in elementary school. I was kind of the odd one out like the weird duck. Lynn and i constantly got tease. Because i vampires already back in elementary school. I would read any or book that was appropriate for a child under eight to get our hands on and sometimes even the books that were inappropriate. Go to new library. Try to check out books that maybe weren't age appropriate in my family. It wasn't aware thing to watch her. I know that within a lot of immigrant families whatever. The elders are watching. What you're watching. So if you're hanging out with your cousins. They're often olding us. So whatever they put on. If it's hell raiser in your six everybody's watching hell raiser and if you don't want to watch it well then close your eyes aggressive near the room. Draw with the babies so yeah i found camaraderie with my cousins but also other people like me who i thought i was an odd one out like a weird ball not unique but more like audits berg to be someone like me to be so interested in this all of these things on the weird one and growing up getting older through cons going through book conventions film festivals specifically around camera films. Even in my teens. I found out. Oh i'm not out ball you know. There is a lot of people out there lake me. I just haven't found my tribe yet. I was just hanging out with the weird mainstream people. They're the weird ones where the cool ones. Yeah we do all this awesome stuff and their world view is so limited and mine is so broad due to the fact that i'm part of this community that is seen as weird by the mainstream which is not luke how diverse we are located. How intelligent and broad we are as well word reaches every part nook and corner of the world and it's a universal language that everybody speaks. Everybody understands fear everybody understands monsters. Everybody understands horror so even presents language in a way night. really do like that about horror. Absolutely i also wanted to talk about wyatt. Is that these groups of people band together. So specifically around were as john laura. I always find it so interesting that it's considered taboo consumption and that there is almost this meta thing that's happening around taboo consumption. You're watching like cannibals with chebbi consumption. While you're having the taboo consumption of the horror media et cetera at these film festivals and so forth that you're banding together as a community to watch and it's really incredible within the horror community that you're able to have this communal experience but at the same time it's almost like there's a shared understanding that underlies all of it in some sense. There's some shared understanding of what it is for the status to not be quo. Yeah yeah if that makes sense yes something that's been kinda fascinating me lately is. That is the american attitude tour. It being an evergreen film john laura. You know when you're looking to make your first movie. Everybody tells you to make a horror movie because you can make it for less money in you know the audience is always there and you would think that a country that has like you know it's it's religion is capitalism. The idea of an evergreen genre would get more respect at. But it's this like american puritanical thing where we like to have our taboos but we don't like to admit we have our taboos. I've only ever lived in america. I've only made a movie here. I know i feel like the extreme uttering that happens especially in this country. Doing you're not falling in line with kind of a dominant thought like even when it comes to horror. It's always the same questions it's always like you know everybody's like oh michael freddie but if you wanna talk about how sue people just look at like gear and i always wants to talk about houses so good to hear. I also wanna talk about houses. So tangible genuinely believe. There's like an editing award. Should be named the house who award. i think. Absolutely brilliantly edited films. I've ever seen because chaos should not make that much sets house who actually makes a lot of sense. If you just. I mean i was high but if you i was only high ward of the times i watched the doubt. I've watched it a few it. But i think like when you grow up in person and i wanna say in this country but i'm sure it's this elsewhere when you grow up a thoroughly other and being told that you're wrong in your weird and you should be doing all the work to meet everybody else. Would they consider halfway. Anyone telling you you're not crazy is the greatest thing that could happen. And you're just you know. I grew up in northern kentucky. Suburban place we did not have any our house theaters. We had a couple of video stores you know and i would scour these newspapers magazines because like rep for the internet and you make your list of like well you know. I wanna see movies video. America doesn't have them video village. Doesn't have them like maybe one day. We'll get a blockbuster Rather but yet just like the nicest thing you knew has mixed feeling. They're not crazy. And i think that's why like horror what we're getting from it is. We're not people who want to avoid the messy stuff. Were not people who want to avoid what makes us uncomfortable. We wanna face it. Because i think the way that were raised and the way that we we were made to feel tells us that there are worse things in this world than a guy with a knife definitely and i think that what connects us is the fact that all of us have had some trauma in one point analyzed. We've all had some type of unconventional upbringing or family. Life or something. And don't want to generalize for anybody. But i'm a very clear example. You can't see me right now. But i am a brown woman. Iam indian egyptian. Born in europe born raised in europe and otherness part of mighty may. Because i don't look like the people from the country where i live in but i'm also different from my high performing cousins who all have like eight. Phd's and became doctors and lawyers. Because that was just not in the cards for me. I had different. Traumas going on in my life. That didn't open those doors or opportunities at the same time league. You're saying you were scouring newspapers for stuff. I had luck khalidi. Because i lived in amsterdam and still live in answer to these movies. That were readily available to me. These were the movies. I could easily go to. We had the equivalent of buster in atlanta called video land and the girl behind the counter video land store. A my neighborhood was a girl. I went to school which was a few years older than mitch. A few grades up so she was allowed to check out sixty plus stuff. But because i knew her she just let me our the horror section embry stuff even though i was twelve. She's like fuck ache. I haven't heard any complaints for your mom. So as long as she doesn't find out check it out. I'll beat him out for you. That's how i went through the whole freddie catalog and through the whole friday catalog as a underage kid and for some reason it worked for me. I was addicted to her back. Then because it was my only outlet there was so much stuff happening in my life into comeback to your the world out. There was so much more fucked up that whatever was happening. A horror movies like stress relief in a way. These other people going through up shit but it's fantasies are happening in real life so those chopped off heads you throw out those stress hormones and get on with your life and if felt like a great coping mechanism. That's all it's something connected with and then finding people that felt the same way who weren't weirded out looking at chopped up bodies or weird houses with Japanese girls to give back to help us at one point. You find your tribe in that and that's the best feeling because for a long time especially if you're isolated in a way whether it's socially or geographically or both you start to feel like am i. We're am i weird watching a guy with finger knives. Go into people's dreams and chocolate kids. Why join this exactly. Allies is fun for me. Why am i eating a bucket of ice cream on sunday and just going through five movies with the guy with finger nights and it's just because it works. It's that outer experience and i think horror for some reason works the best with relieving stress. Hormones that you bottle up absolutely and it's funny you keep mentioning freddie and those finger knives because for me. I experienced a lot of trauma as a young child and i was utterly fascinated the first time my bad baby sit are put on nightmare on elm street. She was the stereotypical bad babysitter doing everything. The babysitter in the horror. Movie does so shoe making out with her boyfriend on the couch smoking pot while babysitting and putting the horror movie on the little kid comes creeping down the stairs in his watching the movie. She yells at the kid to runaway. The kid pretends to move. I did not move. I stayed rooted to the spot. And watch the whole thing. Because i really fascinated by friday and it was a complete and utter fantasy. That really just made me feel understood on some level like yes. Things are not okay in the world and this is an expression of that but at the same time. It's a fantastical expression of that. And i can look at this bed. Spurting blood and i can see these images and they don't alarm me. They don't disturb me even at age three. They strike me as being something other worldly and fun. It's interesting you say that. I really thought about this before but the horror is kind of pure cinema and especially when it's really working is just like But it's also a requires that height reality. And i think like you know the people that i grew up around. Who didn't really care for horror. They they watched romantic comedies. And they watched the stuff that people watch they watch the dramas and whatnot but like it was all very based in real life or at least like a presentation various militant whereas horror doesn't really worry itself too much of his kills good but like they don't have to look like a kill would actually look like because that would be traumatizing. So let's put finger is on somebody. Let's orchestrate these weird contraptions about But yeah like and those of us who connect with that. Are you know. I've always loved movies. That were just unapologetically. A movie you know. I remember Showing the brothers bloom to somebody and they were just like oh. This is a good movie if you just want to be manipulated and like that's our main lining the dardenne brothers all the time because they are also manipulating you know like all of this shit is storytelling is manipulation. There's something there there's something of we recognize because it's also like if you're if you're kid it was eighty skit so like if you were a kid watching baby boom. You're like hey. I don't share any of these concerns and be. I'm not sure life is going to work out okay. I am surrounded by poor. I surrounded by people for whom life is not working out. Okay you know so. I don't know that the perfect song comes on. You meet the perfect person in have the most adorable misunderstanding that leads to a rain soaked confession like i'm not sure that's a thing but you want to talk about a landlord telling you you can't live relive anymore. Well that's that's real and that's horrifying. There's something there the thrust of having this thought but there are studies out there. Don't have them on hand right now of psychologist using horror movies horror therapy basically to help people with anxiety syndromes to reduce anxiety related symptoms of fascinated by it basically making them watch a whole bunch of release and i do have to say if i look back any of the other girls in my class. Who were scared of horror who watch it who scared of a lot of stuff even action movies later in life. Their responses to anything stressful happening was much more dramatic than mine. I would breeze easier through productivity situations than they would not to compare myself with their situations. Traumas trauma doesn't matter. How big or small. It seems to another person but it would take for me a lot more to be stressed than it would be for a person who never watch his horror or watch anything that gives you some type of stress but relaxed response at the same time because you're watching her movie. There is a stress response happening but at the same time your mind knows. It's not real. They're sitting in your chair. Freddie's not coming for you so something happens in your body and apparently it's good for you if you having cited. No and i can absolutely attest to this for me personally because i have complex. Ptsd and what's interesting to me. Is that very small. Things in the real world can trigger a ptsd response or flashback. But when i'm watching horror movies just having that device that frame means that i'm safe and therefore it can't trigger a response in me and i definitely noticed in the last i would say decade that. I suddenly started upping. Mike consumption of horror movies almost as a way to myself against the flashbacks. I'm not even kidding when i say that. It's an easy thing to say that you're going to be able to do this. Don't try this at home kids. I can't promise it works in all cases. Yeah i'm not saying just go and binged martyrs or anything. I've times over but what i am saying is there is definite truth to this because i have seen psychological happen in both myself and in friends where the things that you would expect in the real world don't seem to happen when you are watching film and it definitely lessons your heartbeat in your heart rate goes down as you're having these stress responses as you're watching things on film and it definitely helps in the moment where you might have a panic attack in the real world and i know i've experienced that personally but it's always fascinating to me how this works out in happens. Sounds similar to what the military calls a state of readiness. Yeah the you've prepared yourself for this feeling at least if not the specific moment and so your body is more able to process it. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah and it's just interesting that it's the cinema induced state of readiness. Why isn't the military doing this. You know it's interesting. I remember seeing antichrist's at a press screening and there is no more jaded room in the world than a press screening aaliyah but antichrist's had people screaming and running out the degree. I i was sitting there just like it. I mean i really liked large career. But i'm sitting like you're making me actually hurt. It's just sounded image. But like i have physical pain avenue. Like you're really good at your job. I interviewed. I got to tell him that. And we have the emotional experiences we we laugh and we cry but like you know. I guess it's watching good action movie or watching like man on wire where you're just like clutching the arms of your chair. Your white your feet balled up your ho god but it just never occurred to me that you could craft image so jarring that my stomach hurt well and this is the same thing that goes far away. Tries to do he very specifically is trying to make you as nauseous as you can. I always feel like he's trying to single me out and give me a stroke or something. I don't know that's my feeling aalyah recently I watched case mata which is a restoration of a filipino. Movie from the eighties about a story that happened in the sixties a true crime story and by god. You have to understand that. This movie was shot in the eighties in the philippines. And mike de leon who has made this movie made it so effective that my blood pressure went up through out the whole movie exponentially until we got to the final climax it starts with that little gnawing feeling and it builds and builds and builds and he does not give you even a moment. Our second of relief the moment that starts building. It's so greatly done. No special effects needed there was a monster. Monster are the humans in this case but just how he knew how to give you that feeling of claustrophobia. And you know something is gonna happen but it's not happening yet so you like sitting on the edge seep. It's been recently restored. So i think it's floating around now on the interwebs for different screeners and such. But i was just watching a thing. Recently with a guy named smoking ad. He created easily pepper farmer and he created all the hottest peppers. The carolina repair the oddest peppers on the market. Which i'm a spice guy. So i tend to follow the stuff. I'd like really hot food. And he was saying like the pepper. Actually you know 'cause they were asking like is it true that the c is reheat. Is you know the. He's no actually like none of that like it isn't actually hot. It's just a chemical reaction. You know the idea that you eat this pepper. That's going to burn a hole in your stomach. That's not true. It's your body reacting to something that creates the heat. The thing itself is not hot at like lures. There's a lot of metaphors there. When people wanna like criminalize horror and heavy metal and video games just like culture can radicalize. Culture can inspire someone to action. But it's not on its own. It also not do that. Somebody like two people can watch taxi driver and only one of them. I mean many many many people have what taxi driver only one of them tried to kill the president. We can't say taxi driver should be illegal because one person had adverse reaction but we also have to be mindful that what we're doing can have adverse effects the pepper itself a hot. We are what makes makes the or the press trying to build up something like joker in. Say everybody's worried that someone's going to shoot up a theater because the movie joker is coming out and right has this inflammatory content. Meanwhile train wreck. I think was the last one that happened. Guest the notorious leads sociopathic train wreck right. Yeah right it is a reaction to something that follows a very different processing of information. Yeah and you can't you kind of can't legislate against that you can't you know you can't just say like okay. The front from now on nobody can die in a movie. And it's like well i mean irreversible. It's not the deaths that got everybody talking baha. That was just on my mind. Because i just watch monica bellucci's episode or call my agent distal ticket wider than the americas and western civilization. Movies are super violent and gory in asia as well and in the middle east and no one shooting up places there so first of all. There's a lot less guns available in the rest of the world outside of the americas and on top of that it's all about triggering response and deal with mental health than how are people coping with things and if your spoon feeding into society that media is the evil that creates you know people trigger response to do these kind of actions. Dang you're also giving people an out to blame the media for their trigger response whereas your point was adam often. There's a lot more behind that and a lot of maybe untreated mental illness or other trauma going on that accumulates to his pimple. That bursts out there is a whole gland behind it. That was infected first before it got to this point so it's easy to say. Oh they're so many violent games out there that's gonna make people violent wise. It only happening in one part of the world. Then why is it only happening. In specific parts of western civilization while people in other continents have other shit to deal with other traumas to deal with that other ways. That stuff is happening. They're not gonna go to a movie like meatball machine or zombie ass toilet of dead Nice call out thank you. Thank you and go home and go like you know what by watch. Tetsuo the iron man. I'm going to create a medal. infused body. No shit to do they go to movies to escape reality and they come back home or a turn off their computer and they have to go on with life. There's no one spoon feeding them like. Oh my god this is bad for you because the way how their culture works is not thinking about the but it's thinking about society so you just step back become part of society again. Go on with your life. There's also this concern for like others you know and it's not like a concern for others that you're supposed to have where you want everybody to be okay. It's this like worry. That an i mean despite the western thing please like i think it speaks to our our kind of exceptionalism that we have a better that with my movie. Do you want me to just please. Okay all right. So adams film a ghosts weights. It's basically a capitalist romantic anti-capitalists and sorry. Sorry sorry an anti capitalist ghost story comedy love story and essentially at the very end of the film the main character does actually commit suicide so that he can be with the woman he loves and so that image of him committing suicide was something i actually brought up on our last podcasts together and how i felt like that was very brave choice for him to have made as director and that i was very surprised at that but i felt like it was a very important thing to show and that it was a very interesting thing to see on screen in the way it was depicted an in terms of the way it reads within the film. I believe response at the time adam was. It's like moving to ohio to be with the girl always on some level in terms of the sense of the film but obviously it registers differently emotionally for people and so there were people that saw that had this response of like. Oh i l. I worry that it's going to romanticize suicidal glamorized suicide and it was always like. I don't suffer from this but i worry about those who do. Meanwhile like people who do posting like this is great. I feel seen and heard because you know generally if you like. I do struggle a suicide and if you want to talk about it or if you start to talk about if you say well that's but like that should never happen. That's not helpful. You know if. I can't even talk about something then. You're only going to compound the shame the in everything attendant to these things so it's interesting to alike. We worry so much about other people in this kind of superior way. Where i don't deal with this but like people who do must be week and it's like no they just have a different set of concerns and if you never talk about something and i don't remember if if you never talk about something especially a societal taboo than the people who struggle with it. Never feel like they can talk about it and it's only gonna get worse and more severe Only increases the chances of them doing the that they don't want to do if you can't trust somebody lean on somebody from time to time you feel like a fucking island and that doesn't help anyone exactly. What you were saying also leans into a lot of abe alyssum as well. Yes and really a lot of it is as condescending sense of i know what's good for you i understand how you're supposed to feel and therefore i'm going to other you in specific way or like you should feel more like i do. You'd be better if you felt how. I feel exactly and this is the thing we did talk about this. The last time you were on the podcast that i personally felt very validated by that particular scene. And that as someone who has experienced suicidal aviation. I felt like that particular scene had incredible merit in terms of klang out the fantasy in a non glorifying way and away that generally honors where the fantasy leaves and the truth of it even in a fantastical circumstance that it is nothing to want right so it really is interesting to me though to hear you talk about those sort of responses that you get on quote behalf of other people who might feel this way because i definitely get this a lot particularly when i'm trying to advocate for disability in film festival spaces whenever i'm talking about well. I think it would be important for us to do this. Thing this thing in this thing to make sure that people who have light sensitivity who might potentially have a seizure are protected. And then i'll get pushed back and say yes but people who might feel singled out in this way and i'm like that. Is that really about anything other than you. Not wanting to change right exactly. The thing is though like when it comes to able to listen in general. And i'm preaching to the choir here obviously but if we make everything available and accessible to everybody than the people who are able are still included in that would just lowering the trash hold so that things become more available to more people in society because able people are able bodied people forget that disabled and or people with mental health issues. Make a pretty large part of society. It's not mainstream anymore to be able to just something that's projected the most across media. If you think about it one hundred percent of people will be disabled at some point in their lives exactly but they don't think about it until they become disabled and then it's too late and then they start pushing to or that's been trying to preach to them are destroyed my back on a job. Some years ago and waking up not being able to walk was one of the most horrifying experiences. I've ever had like waking up and not being able to move my body and having to drag myself to the door so their fringe can give me a take me to the hospital and it's just like yeah i you know i mean. We repaired it. I'm able to walk. I'm pretty functional but like we too often need to have to experience something ourselves in order to empathize with and pleasure. People in like. And if you don't there's never this thought given to the kind of passive entitlement that we you know That i i after. I recognized within myself like all. I just didn't think about these things. I'm a sensitive person. I'm pretty pathetic. But like i just didn't think about this because i was thinking about something else and it's kind of i think it teaches you or it can teach you at least to just listen a little bit more acutely with out the sort of you see the annihilation by something. That always bothered me about that. Newly for the longest time was that. I didn't feel like the filmmaking really reflected the characters experience i thought that it should be kind of you know almost aronovski asking that it would kind of fall apart. Get looser as it went along as their experience of it and the slot hills. Last time i watched it for a podcast and it finally clicked in the place that if they had done that they would have made the human experience of the story the default and the whole point of that movie was to make something genuinely alien and then it wasn't tied to any one perspective and so like i just think about that now a lot in terms of like how we're listening to thing to people and how were kind of processing information is you know. Are we truly dissenting to the point and and health early. Can we d center. I have a couple of questions on asking is because the conversation reminded me of A thing that arrowhead fill out that will go up next week but these two questions. I'd be really curious to hear your thoughts short. Sheriff first one is. Do you think mainstream cinema does a good job of portraying mental health issues and the second one is. Has there ever been a moment a film or a moment in a film that you felt particularly captured a feeling of anxiety or depression. That you yourself have felt. Yeah we can kind of wine the last one out to like what is a movie that made you acutely feel less alone. I feel like. I can easily answer both of those pretty well. How about you rabia. Yeah yeah okay through this thing. Let's do this question. One was mainstream media a good representation. No absolutely not fucking not especially when it comes to women. Yeah oh men writing women. There's even a sub reddit and a twitter account. That's called men writing women and it's appalling. It's hilarious. It's saddening ning at the same time. Men writing women or just mainstream women writing about other women that they have no insights on. Oh my god. It's frustrating very frustrating. Not everyone has a period. Not every woman syncs up there hormones with other women. We don't all sit at home at night and drink wine. This is all in the imagination of man that be scenarios happen. But every time i see a woman on tv or in a movie and it's nighttime she puts on a candle and has agus glass of wine by herself to reflect on her motions. I thought about this so much lately. And maybe my voice is not the most important because the scripted. I'm reading right now. Has three three main female characters. Four three which are women one is a man. It is a fairly binary script but been because somebody posted on twitter. Like hey straight white men. Why do you do this and a friend of mine. I saw this puppy friend responded with what i thought was a very poor response which was basically like i write about women to get out of my own. You know i don't want to be a mouthpiece for just my thoughts and ideas. And if i make the character a woman it can't be my thoughts and ideas thought the problem because you know i guess i don't need But like i really like what. I'm writing and i did have this. Should i be writing this. Why did i think. And i realize when i started writing like they just started talking and they were women. It wasn't a explore something you know this but then once i realized this is what i was writing. I just started talking to all of the women in my life and asking questions. It's say like hey. I think this is interesting but is accurate. Is this an actual concern. Is this a thought or am i. Just you know kind of being an you know again. It goes back to the centering. 'cause i even think the idea that we can't write ourselves as vaguely patriarchal the idea that men can't understand women enough to write them but we don't have the same concern with women writing men i think is patriarchal because it is telling men that there it is impossible to ever understand a woman and that is why we could devalue them and that is why we can dehumanize them and it's fucking wrong it's just wrong. Yeah but it comes down to the statement that also is used in bias in medicine is that women are men but with pesky hormones and those pesky hormones get in the way of us acting like quote unquote normal humans but if we are not normal humans as women. Men are born from uh ceo famous. And like you said it's very patriarchal and very his head mill. Focus to say that out. Okay as a man. I could never sympathizer empathize enough with the diversity and the spectrum of women that exists in the world or even try to understand that enough to give a woman more color in her personality than the standard white karen that sits on the couch drinking a glass of wine because she needs to contemplate her life right at additionally i would say the same thing is also true in terms of racism and not just sexism but i really feel like it's so important for people to be comfortable writing characters that are basically of any race any gender really characters who have completely different identities your own as long as you are sensitive to the cultures from which they come and maybe having a sensitivity reader when necessary. But i absolutely don't think there's anything that should be off limits if you are genuinely trying to tell a good story so all this though to the question of mental health in mainstream media i am going to say women in mainstream media when mental health is depicted generally terrible terrible depictions mostly stemming from hormones or alternatively trauma makes us psychosis. Yeah okay so. I'm sick of seeing this on screen. I have seen so many films that. Indicate that oh. This woman went crazy and unhinged because she had trauma and i am so sick of seeing that because the majority of us who have suffered from trauma of some kind. We've become stronger for it. We have become kick ass women. Amen to that amen. Today we take no shit and I just feel very strongly that the majority of people don't necessarily understand that in the mental health world. The odds of someone actually hurting themselves after drama is much much higher than hurting another person definitely so the second question was. Has there ever been film or a moment in a film that you felt particularly captured a feeling of anxiety depression. The yourself out. And i'd be curious curious to hear because my thought what i initially thought would i immediately thought it was the moment. Mid some are when danny has seen her boyfriend with another woman the the women the group like share in her pain and give her like radical empathy and she finally feels like she can be fully herself. I remember watching that and just being like very overwhelmed emotionally with like. Oh my god. That is what it feels like to not be alone. You know and. I've never seen portrayed quite that way but that's my own perspective. I'm curious what you all think of mid somare and to kind of carry on with that thought. Midsummer is very complex issue for being particularly because there are so many different undertones to that film. When i think about that final shot of danny did not mean to me what it meant to a lot of people. A lot of people classify mid somare as good for her horror. And that's interesting. Yeah a lot of people really do. Put it in that camp. It's not in that camp for over not at all because not only is she doubling down on bad decision after bad decision to kind of go along with the mo of everything that's gone on before but for me that ending in mid somare the way that it's expressed within the film you understand her grief because the performance by florence pugh is so goddamn strong. It's just such a beautiful performance and her expressions of grief at the beginning of the film are so strong that it absolutely triggered my grief reflex right away within the film but by the end of the film you sort of see how grief can be perverted into in manipulated into something else and how it can be twisted towards other people's ends an emotionally manipulated and so it doesn't feel like to ne- necessarily the first time i saw it. I think some part of me was thinking about the the ecstasy of grief. And then i thought about it. Wait a minute wait a minute. Wait a minute. I don't think that's what this is really about. And then. I watched it a second time that i watched the director's cut and it's a film that to me is very much about the manipulation of every thing within the frame to conform to the ritual and the way that everything is designed to basically make sure all happens like a well oiled machine and that it never changes and the tradition continues then goes on and she's particularly sought out. If you look at the close movie this cult sought her out because of vulnerability because she has chosen at that moment pele gravitates towards her as soon as she's going through that trauma yup to she is being chosen to come on that trip because of the vulnerability and that it creates to make her the mid samara the may queen and become part of this cult. Of course it's about grave. It's about in certain ways community but there's definitely that layer there manipulation and called system for me what spoke more is maybe hereditary where you have a mother who is In saying she's gone through ship with her mother and she doesn't know how to deal with it with her kids and that really hit home for me. I'm basically the sun. But then less oblivious to what is happening and that generational trauma and that generational manipulation that's happening in hereditary is something that resonated for me in western seminar. At least there's a lot of movies a can't one-two-three come up with right. Now when it comes to indian cinema for instance or japanese cinema that spoke to me as well but if we're looking at western system hereditary spoke to me more of the to films because distraught is handed down generation generations. Especially if you look at people of color. My great where mother was a slave. Mike grandmother worked for peanuts. She was basically also slave. My mother was the first person who got a living wage for what she worked for. She worked herself to the bone. And i'm the first in her line to have gone to university and actually finish it so by breaking through generational traumas but she carried trauma that her mother had given her and there was a lot of inability to communicate with each other between those generations. So one beats the other the other beats the other and the other beats the other and it needs to stop with one generation so it stopped with me and it's gone to such a point that both my youngest brother and myself don't have any biological children because we don't want to pass on our trauma. I was just having that conversation with a friend the other day but like i don't want to have kids 'cause i don't feel like my like i don't feel like my eight just carry on. It's like now. I can be the end of this line. I am yeah. Don't get me wrong. People like us shoot. Make children because if there's too many of other people making kids we get. I don't know if you've seen idea crecy that movie feels like documentary at this point. I if you only have right wing people with very very small world views making kids and they're the only ones procreating then destroys the world at one point but the same time so i'm not raising any biological children of mine but i am raising kids. I'm just breaking through my generational trauma and not putting the weight of whatever would happen to my body or to myself because this is a big deal to push person out of your body. We act like it's nothing but trust me. It is a big deal. So i am still raising kids. I'm just not raising Biological kids and i'm completely fine with that. 'cause i think there are enough children out there. That need a shot and i can still fulfil my mother feels. I have with the children that i'm raising without needing to perpetuate or just a continue this cycle. That's been going on for so many generations and all my kids watch were nothing less than the queen of or she is the queen of for. I wanna just quickly say though. If you had to pick rubio one film for an expression of anxiety or grief what would you say. That's so hard I'll say one title right now and then in an hour i'll speak to in. I'll think of like ten just right now off the top of your head. One of my favorite horror movies of all time is the ailing series. And i think the first alien wherein you're just one munster the corridor you're in the middle of nowhere. There's no help coming into one woman eventually going through that ordeal having to deal with everything become bad ass at the end of it might be flattering myself This but it kind of feels like that parallel to my own life an orphan. My parents passed away when i was a teenager. And i had to go through very suffocating time in life as a very young person navigating financial issues medical issues raising two civilins surviving in a society on top of everything also sees me as other because of my skin color and retain some sort of sanity amongst at all but i might as well have been in space and half one monster chasing me through the corridor words of an abandoned ship. 'cause that's kind of how it felt at the time so i would go with alien dis- now f of the top of my head fascinating okay. I'm gonna say to. Because i'm cheating and this is my podcast so i'm gonna say revisiting lars von trier. I would say melancholia. And i would say the book hold that. See there you go. Those are sort of obvious choices. I know but they still ring true for me and i would actually say going back to jennifer ken for that feeling of anxiety. The nightingale god kids doing so much anxiety. When i watch it. We were just talking about this last night. Which is why this is so fresh on. My mind was the one that as soon as i sent off the the answers to the questions. Osh it showed us to the bubble like everyone like ooh. Okay can i add one more. Okay all right. Go ahead go ahead. Perfect blue yes i've heard about. This oughta may right anime sushi calm and this man is just really good at freaking. You the f out okay. I recommend watching perfect blue and then watching everything else. He's ever done seriously everything. He died of a heart attack in nineteen ninety nine. No that's not right. Two thousand three or something. Yeah three or two thousand four. 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Alien Nation (1988) | Graham Baker

Around the World in 80s Movies

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Alien Nation (1988) | Graham Baker

"Hi. Welcome to around the world in eighty s movies minding his Vince Leo. I am the author of the Film Review Website Webster. Dot Net, bite you to check out over four thousand of my written reviews have been doing film reviews since Nineteen Ninety six and you can read all of them at my website quip stir dot net Q. W. I p. s. t. e. r. dot net wire. They're doing courage you to check out the link to my other podcast similar to this one maybe not as much background information and Trivia because these are more recent movies that you can find in theaters vod streaming services what have you you can find the. Link to that at my website, it's called the quit ster Bill Review Podcast Act Webster Dot net today I'm going to be getting into the third of this three part series looking at alien refugees to Earth folks from outer space who've come to Earth for safety, and maybe for a place to live permanently at least in this case, stranded was just a temporary situation today I'm going to be talking about nine, thousand, nine hundred eighty eight alien nation. This is an R. rated film that does have strong violence brief nudity, drug content and language. The run time is relatively short hour thirty, one minutes, James, caan, and Mandy. Patinkin are the main stars Terence. Stamp gets a sizable supporting role. Graham Baker is the director and the screenplay credited to rock Ni as o'bannon. Now, the seeds of ailing nation they started by way back in nineteen eighty five when a producer named Richard Kobe was looking for a writer for this other project that he had in mind it was a horror project that he was going to do after the success of Christine and it involved the killer doll and it was going to be made for Columbia Pictures. It was going to be called mechanical at that time eventually cobras hired Rodney S o'bannon for that project abandoned was on hiatus he was writing and story editing for the Erie. TV Anthology Revival of the twilight zone he also did an episode of mazing stories during this time in the mid nineteen eighties. If you recognize abandons name He created Farscape many years later in nineteen ninety nine for the sci-fi channel. Now, when the Columbia project went into turnaround, the two men decided that they were going to collaborate on another project that they could work on and abandoned. Already had an idea that he'd been pitching to a a few studios for a new television series. He thought that that premise could also work as a movie. If they wanted to make one, it was police procedural with a science fiction twist a buddy cop action flick. Partnering a human and an alien out on patrol in the city cobras gave abandoned two and a half months to write a script on SPEC instead of making a studio pitch cop films were very hot in the nineteen eighties. So abandoned developed this project is the COP flick primarily although with that science fiction underpinning, it would stay grounded under there was going to be no spaceflights, no alien tech laser blasts or flying cars the aliens could not return to their home world and because they were slaves there to keep costs low setting was the very, very near future with the crash of an alien spaceship carrying these. Called comers and to make this story work, the Aliens Excelled at assimilation into human culture. They were very fast at picking up how to live among humans. They quickly learn to speak Earth's languages fluently, and they would adapt to Earth's clothing and culture pretty much looking like humans except for certain features abandoned for a script carried the title of future tense because it. was set in the immediate future and it was meant to be a tense thriller. As he wrote, he had Patrick swayze in mind for the jaded human cop and then his sidekick would be perhaps John. Candy. In the role of his alien partner wants completed coporate submitted the script to all of the studios and several did express some interest but cope decided to. Go with Pacific Western productions and that was run by his friend Gaylon heard who had a development deal with Twentieth Century Fox at that time I heard, she read this script you really couldn't stop. It was really a page Turner. She loved the immigration allegory within this science fiction action flick formula heard brought it immediately to Fox and they loved it as well. Except for the title, which they really couldn't decipher and they felt audiences would not really understand what that was about either future tense Cobra abandoned decided they would brainstorm very quickly a new title because essentially it was in the heat of the night except with an alien instead of a black man and it was also like an episode of the outer limits so. They decided to combine the two into a new title called Outer Heat. Now, based on the strength of his popular Isuzu commercials the ones in the mid nineteen eighties over very popular. It was called the liar series. Star David Leisure. As Joe Isuzu heard Colbert's selected the director of those commercials from Great Britain Graham. Baker, he was hired really to keep control of. This production, he was not necessarily higher bring a brand new vision from what they wanted. Baker had been a director as well in feature films. He did the third film in the Omen Franchise called the final conflict which came out in the early nineteen hundred S A couple years. Later, he did a horror flick called impulse and Baker when he read the script. He knew he wanted to do it within five or six pages into reading it and the felt like just like they had mentioned in the heat of the night but with the relationship between a different planetary species that initially doesn't like one another similar to enemy mind in that respect of film that he very much enjoyed. Now immediately, they knew that they needed. To start right away with trying to develop the look of these aliens heard went to a familiar collaborator he had worked on the Terminator and the Aliens Stan Winston for those makeup duties but Winston was busy directing pumpkin head at the time. So we could not be directly involved, but he felt his top notch crew could handle the foam latex process to bring these. Two life somewhat similar to planet of the apes abandoned script describe the aliens as being all over six feet tall they would have leathery skin those early designs that Winston's crew came up with resembled hulking brutes to contrast their gentle personality but Baker in unheard urged for subtlety they wanted to make these alien characters as human-like as possible maybe like a different ethnicity than a frighteningly eerie new species, and that's because Baker wanted audiences to recognize each actor under these prosthetics and to instantly accept this premise and these characters rather than continuously view them as aliens or something that could never really assimilate with human society during this period heard showed the screenplay to her then husband and. Frequent collaborator James Cameron Cameron decided he was going to do some script doctoring here. He revised the script in October of Nineteen eighty-seven. He removed this nation that abandoned had put into it, and he made the action sequences within the story service the plot rather than just be side detraction from it, and we cameron was done heard gave the revised script back to abandon to make a final revision to this cameron Polish, getting out or heat into its final state and one last change was asked for by Fox again, they didn't like the title yet again, Outer Heat, and that was because there were a couple of other high-profile mismatched coffee homes that were set for an early summer. Nineteen eighty-eight release with he in the title Red Heat with Arnold Schwarzenegger and dead heat with Joe. PISCOPO. So they wanted to avoid confusion. So they opted to change the title from outer. Heat to alien nation. All is one word alienation with no space and that was because it was a play on the word of course, alien nation. But then they decided for marketing purposes. Alien Space Nation was a much better choice. Alien Nation is set in Los Angeles the presumptive nineteen ninety-one that was three years after this film came out three years after a malfunctioning spaceship landed into. Mojave. Desert containing three hundred thousand of these new immigrants Earth these aliens are the new boat people dubbed Newcomers. Genetically engineered as slave laborers on their own planet, they were bred to adapt an assembly quickly to any new environment and these newcomers are smarter. They're physically stronger than their human counterparts, and that makes them much more suitable to perform a variety of different jobs. The backlash against these newcomers from the human population escalates daily. The newcomers are different in humans in a few key ways they're hairless they do have two hearts they get drunk not off of alcohol but spoiled melk the eat raw meat seawater is like battery acid to them. Now James Caan, he plays an lapd detective Mat- Sykes. Sykes partner gets killed by one of these snags that's the derogatory term humans use for newcomers. So Sykes his mission to take down the baddies who were responsible. He volunteers to be partnered with the first newcomer ever promoted to be a police detective a man named Sam. You'll Francisco Yes san. Francisco? He's named that because the immigration officials grew mischievous trying to think of earth names or maybe board for these newcomers, Sykes Calls Him George instead, and that's kind of a a nod because in the original script that was written by. Rock o'bannon that character was supposed to be named George. Jetson. But very shortly before they started to shoot film, Hanna-barbera came to them and said, they were not going to allow them to use the name. So they came up with San Francisco very quickly. Now, I'll sykes and Francisco are not assigned to the homicide case directly Sykes really doesn't want to stay off of it. So we employ Sam's help to investigate these slag drug syndicate that's pushing this narcotic. That's turning even docile newcomers into nearly unstoppable beasts now for the lead role, of Sykes Baker sought James Caan con had just come out of retirement. He was looking for a well paying role in films. Khan had a reputation for being feisty but Baker stuck to his gut he. Really wanted James Caan was a big admire of his work. So con- signed onto this formula action thriller with this science fiction premise, and that was like after a period of about six years where he didn't do any films, he burnt out in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, one following the death of his sister Tilleke MIA and his own battle with cocaine addiction. He decided to clear his head. He spent time with his young son Scott. He really was enjoying his life away from. Hollywood. The only thing that brought him back was this nineteen eighty seven film by Francis Ford Coppola called gardens of stone, which field to get much recognition in the box office although he did get some acclaim for his performance here Kahn had run out of money he was risking losing his house. So we decided he had to go back to work. He needed a bigger payday here and this was a lucrative offer. So con-. Agreed to Elision to show that he could also open. A Picture, he still had box office appeal especially since this was a film that he thought his son. Scott enjoy. So we signed on without even reading the script. He didn't even know the full story, but he thought that the director was friendly Graham Baker and he wanted to work with Mandy Patinkin who had already signed on. So he said, yes, and he prayed for the best for what would be hopefully a good film. Now once he found out what the movie was actually about. He instantly thought it was b-movie formula. It was pretty easy to figure out from the script. He especially did not like when Terence stamp the bad guy enters the scene he thought that everybody was going to know what happens there. He felt that many aspects of the script did not make very much sense and anybody he brought suggestions Baker Baker, it really wasn't interested in hearing him. He was really there to just deliver what the producers wanted so. Condescended decided, he was just going to go with the flow. He would again pray for the best that a good outcome would result when Conrad the script he had intended to play his character as an all out racist one who had put archie bunker to shame. But when they hired a black actor as his very first partner, the one that gets killed and he vows to avenge, he realizes that all out racist was not really going to fly. When he voiced his displeasure at this, he realized that in this film, he was just an actor was just trying to get through a movie. It didn't always make sense. He was just going to do the best he can with his individual role and not pay attention to what everybody was doing around him. So he was going to play sites instead as this narrow minded bigoted jerk that doesn't want to accept change until those changes are out of. Control and it becomes his new normal at the very least he is proud of the character work that he did especially with Mandy Patinkin for the buddy cop scenes. Now, Patinkin had a much harder role because he spent the first four hours every day in the makeup chair for these prosthetic headpieces that he had to wear pretty much all night for the shoot and they also decided to allow more freedom for these actors and makeup they learn from the. Mistake in any new mine in any my Lou Gossett junior appears pretty much unrecognizable in his performance under this mask and this thick alien accent. So they wanted this to be just another race of immigrants in the United States but just slightly not human patinkin did hate the makeup process all four hours every single day especially the base of the makeup, the tight bald cap that gave him headaches but he was committed to the part he wanted to. Do the best job he can. Patinkin said that the only thing that got him through this whole experience was James Caan had a great sense of humor and the enjoyed they're working together. Now Kahn's role may be not as difficult as Patinkin but he did have a hard time trying to play this big that we're supposed to find likable enough to root for even though we are supposed to also not like him there's a story art that we're. Supposed to remind you know that conversion has to be from beginning to end believable, which is not easy to do in ninety minute film that has a lot of extended action sequences. Mandy Patinkin took the part really because his agent thought it would be a good picture great exposure for him. He also liked the anti-drug and anti-big retrea message underneath he thought the script actually had a lot of promise they could put all the pieces together it could. Be a worthwhile film Patinkin really did go all out the first two weeks before he started shooting the film he started training with The New York Police Department to get into his character. He joined them on ride along he wanted to get the feel for the weaponry. He went to the firing range and shot up a host of different weaponry in order to prepare for his part alien nation I think it plays better as this uncanny science fiction film. Rather than a straightforward actioner, but the filmmakers do emphasize the ladder they jettison the allegorical qualities for a very prolonged climax. That's not really nearly a satisfying. It is kind of a formula buddy cop film, but it's also derivative of other nineteen eighty s science fiction films, blade runner the Terminator most notably it offers a strong action chase element at its core while it also delivers something to think about d medically underneath because he had worked so well together heard hired terminator cinematographer Adam Greenberg because he specialized in location night shoots although abandoned script emphasized a bright and sunny Los Angeles. During the daytime heard wanted to have a grittier take it during the evening not only because. This was kind of a norrish crime story, but she also needed to work days on another project. She was doing at the same time horror flick called bad dreams the Greenberg shot with an eye toward authenticity although it's a fantastical saying premise, he wanted re-lighting he wanted real location shooting. He emphasized the dark and green streets or Los Angeles. So he worked with production designer Jack Khalas who collaborated with Baker on impulse, and they sought practical exteriors as interiors although there were a small number of impractical scenes done in the studios such as those involving stunts in any kind of work in the water harsh lighting nationally that's no for films featuring prosthetics are under these hot lamps and. Really work out well. That became the goal for Greenberg wanted to make these prosthetics work in the harshest like imaginable. So he worked very closely for several weeks with Stan Winston's makeup crew to come up with just a right look and just the right prosthetics that would work under these lamps. He would shoot the actors that he wanted the headmaster be on, but he didn't want us to see the scenes around the is or the next. So that required a lot of tinkering with the right angles for the cameras as well as the lighting. So these headpieces would look natural without breaking the flow of the shot. Portions of Los Angeles were dressed up as slag town. That's the name for the rundown community where the newcomers reside seionage and graffiti and shopfronts and various sounds were injected to resemble immigrant communities that similarly hold sections of major cities, Chinatown Greektown etc. Zoltan Illich he had just one and academy award for the makeup work that he had done on mask. He also was known for doing the look for Max Headroom on television. He came on board at Stan Winston's recommendation. Alec Winston had just worked together on the monster squad. So Ilic was brought in to take charge of the prosthetics for the newcomers based on Stan Winston Studios. Designs. Patinkin was not the only one who despised the makeup process terence stamp really really hated the makeup. He nearly quit mid production because of overwhelming feelings of Claustrophobia at all times stamp claimed he was not told from the beginning that the makeup was going to take hours to apply and where every day. So to accommodate stamps phobia and his hard feelings, they got him in makeup soon as he arrived on the set and they shot his scenes I, so that he'd be out of. That makeup sooner and when it came time for stamped, where these special elite fitted bodysuit to play this cracked out. Har- court, which is his character for the finale. He absolutely refused he claimed his skin was in constant irritation and he was in constant pain from all of this makeup. He was not going to expose more of his body to it. So stamps stunt double man named Terry Jackson he performed in stamps stead for that finale despite having very little facial resemblance now as. Far. As the war goes not very much went into it per se but Sykes the James Caan character he wears a Dallas cowboys t shirt he wears it. So we'll often really he's wearing the same shirt every day that was conscious choice by the way he had friends on the Dallas cowboys team. So this was kind of a wink and and not to them you may even confused, James. Caan. Jerry. Jones. They have a very similar look to them now because of that T. Shirt the NFL sent Fox a bill for fifty thousand dollars about a week into the shoot for copyright. Infringement. Fox decided to pay it and let con- wear the t shirt because it was less costly to give NFL properties fifty thousand dollars then to reshoot that whole week of footage. Now, there are production stills that do exist and as well as elements in the trailer that depict scenes that did not make the final cut especially from the climax. One involves the character named Rudyard. One of the henchmen of heart court attacking Sykes, and then he gets shot by Francisco in the film that reedit meant that the score that had been done for the film by Jerry Goldsmith is very Cynthia score that was kind of deemed too strange by the producers to be used, but they decided to jettison altogether not only because they found the score very. Weird from the get go but also because Jerry Goldsmith by that point was unavailable to restore the film. So they decided to go with an entirely new score by composer. Kurt civil now obviously Jerry Goldsmith has a a much bigger name and he has a bigger fan base. So if you're interested in hearing the Goldsmith's score that he did for alienation, you can. Hear a little bit in the original trailer, but it was also released many years later on this limited edition. CD, and if you listen to that CD release, it contains a melody Motif that Goldsmith had intended for Oliver Stone's Wall Street, which he resigned from because he had many clashes with Oliver Stone. So he was going to use that recurring melody alienating A. Completely different kind of movie, which is probably why the producers founded very weird but when they cut that score out. Goldsmith resurrected again, for another film called the Russia House came out in one thousand, nine hundred. That was the Sean Connery film very much a drama. So interestingly, that score had multiple uses for multiple genres now although James Caan proved a fun collaborator on. The set at least for Patinkin condos consider alien nation to be very silly film. He rarely cares to discuss it however, he did enjoy working with Patinkin as well, and although Khan initially liked director Graham. Baker he first met him concer reputation for feistiness did emerge. They butted heads regularly throughout the shoot and con lost all respect for Baker. He thought Baker caped. Too quickly to the studio demands and during an interview with the Dallas Times. Herald. After its release Khan told them that he was not crazy about this film to be quite frank and there were a lot of mistakes that were made especially in the ending and he went on to say that Baker really could not direct traffic so he really doesn't have a Lot of good things to say so he tries not to say them at all these days. Now Pond released alien nation did do relatively well debuted at number one at the box office early October and lingered in the top five for about another month and also took in about in the United States took about twenty, five, million dollars in about twenty, five million. Dollars it had a sixteen million dollar budget. So with international money added in made about thirty two or thirty, three, million. So it made some money and it also won the Saturn Award for best science fiction film of Nineteen Eight. So got some respect from the SCI fi film heads, alien nation it is an entertaining science fiction premise it's mixed with that. Cop. Thriller. Enough interesting background information, and that COP buddy movie REP RT to please fans of both genres underneath the narrative. There is that commentary on immigration especially, the difficulty of assimilation into current culture, as well as this uneven class system that's created by bigotry and xenophobia that leaves outsiders to fend for themselves. They turn to crime to drugs and any other means to make money. It never really delve deeply into those themes because this is a film that plays more as a straightforward action movie primarily, but future efforts on television. Yes. It became a television show after the film's release and quite a few novels as well. Those developed more on those themes in greater detail that made it more stronger a bigger fan. Base more unique science fiction work then was developed just from the film itself. But because of the many alterations, the original screenwriter and the conceiver of this story rock neo banning, he really cannot bring himself to watch the movie when it was first out in release but he did watch the movie years later and he founded oddly enjoyable despite not really. Living up to his expectations or at least his demands since then o'bannon decided he was going to take more control over any stories that he did. He directs a lot of his own. He produces a lot of his own stuff. He says that the TV series that came out after which he was not really involved with and some alien nation made for. TV movies are about five of them that were made they export his original vision with a lot more of that depth that he had wanted to put into this first film. So he really can't complain about the superficiality of the ethical film because if you take into consideration the TV series, the made for TV movies, novels, Comic Books, etc. All of this went far beyond what he thought. He was going to be able to cover in the first movie, and so he was glad to see it although they eventually made it kind of darkly gritty film Kinda like mean streets but with some comedy abandons original concept was that it should stay light and funny primarily because we're supposed to laugh at the. Folly of the bigotry instead of grimly accept it another disagreement that Oban had with the way that they made. This film was in specifying the date of the film abandon wrote historian to take place at this undetermined time. In fact, the very first words you see on the screen art next, February so it could have perennial appeal we weren't really told. What the date was however, Fox decided to set the film definitively in Nineteen ninety-one including emblazoning that date on the movie's poster that may work for audiences one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty eight, but it really handcuffed future projects because it doesn't make sense beyond that date because we know none of these events ever really happened in one thousand nine hundred years henceforth. Now, alienated never really delve deep enough in its characters to truly make the climax as gripping as it needs to be to elevate elevated into a science fiction classic for All Times. But it is a fun film and the screenplay o'bannon manages to rise above the movie delivery to make this a more intelligent and ethical story than most. Cop Thrillers around the take down of a drug manufacturing crime lord tend to be it's alien and yet oddly familiar and it is an enjoyable film. It's a movie premise but we liked the characters. There are really good strong character performances in this film and it is enjoyable as very well made b-movie movie. Fair. So that's why I'm going to give alien nation three stars out of four three stars on my scale means I do recommend for people like this kind of movie if you like your buddy cop thrillers especially, if you like science fiction as well I think you're going to get the mileage to enjoy alien nation quite a bit and if you really liked this premise and You feel that the film did not explore it. There is the television series as well as those made for TV movies and those novels and comic books you can delve into as well and by the way that TV series that came on, it was produced by Kenneth Johnson, and if you've seen the mini series called the in the early to mid nineteen, eighty s he produced TV show the. So there's a lot of Scifi cred for that TV. Show definitely has a fan base that still does exist. There are a lot of continuation that they've talked about. So definitely worth delving into if you get through this movie and you give it like me three stars or more out of four. In two, thousand, nine, just the next year. There was another movie very acclaimed movie and popular movie that came out called district nine that captured many of the same things of Alien Nation of Immigration and assimilation using this alien species. So definitely, another movie to check out if you liked the. Material at the very least of alienation also in two thousand nine, the same year as district nine Desai channel started to develop a remake of alien nation with writer Tim in the Air Tim near. If you know American horror story, he's one of the writers for that show as well as an executive producer Fox twenty one was going to produce that remake. It in the Pacific Northwest in the year twenty twenty, this year of this recording that I'm doing right now, twenty years after the Alien Ship Lands with the newcomers to multiply to a population three and a half million by that point although the bill mostly list segregated from living with the rest of humanity nothing really came up that in two thousand fifteen box announced the remake in the work with iron man's Art Marcum and Matt Holloway scripting. After they left, the project was then handed to Jeff. Nichols thought he can make a trilogy out of it. If the I won't was successful and Nichols said, it was not going to be a remake of the first film but it was going to be an original story that he had in mind ready but he would use the same title because he thought that was a fantastic title and he would use some of the year and he wanted his favorite actor Michael Shannon play the lead alien. But in twenty nineteenth is neat paused production on Jeff Nichols version of alien. Legion. Three days after they had acquired twentieth century Fox one of the many casualties from Fox that Disney was not so keen on. Nichols has contemplated by the way transferring the ideas he had for alien agent to an another film unrelated project that would explore some of those themes he had in mind we may not see alien nation, but some of those ideas will get recycled in a future nichols effort. So he says now two, thousand, seventeen, another movie that had a lot of the same idea of alien did come out it was not alien nation, but it very much for a lot of people did resemble it came out on Netflix and twenty seventeen with will smith and it was called right so I guess if you can't get enough, you can also check that one out. Alienates. You may not have an official remake, but it has been remade a number of times a variety of other mediums and in other films altogether that used the same premise. If you have your own thoughts on. that. I did not cover if you just want to talk to me about your experience with this film, you can write to me my contact information at my website. That's a quip stir dot net twip s. t. e. r. Dot net leased on my twitter feed facebook page instagram can all be found there as well as far as what I'm going to be talking about next week I mentioned it in the review here at least toward the end, not a movie but a mini series that covers some similar grounded to alien nation in which we have basically refugees from another planet. Earth but they are definitely not the same aliens as the newcomers here the miniseries I'm talking about is the original one B from nineteen eighty-three. So you have to movies that you have to watch for next week, and if you haven't seen it or if you haven't seen it in a long time I, do recommend catch up with be the mini series for the discussion on next episode am very much looking forward to that something happened not seen since it first aired when I was twelve years old on television. Anyway, thank you so much for listening and joining me on this trip around the world, any of these movies.

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