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The Joy of Fear | Ep. 6

Halloween Unmasked

36:26 min | 2 years ago

The Joy of Fear | Ep. 6

"This episode of Halloween unmasked is brought to you by AMC networks, shudder, the premium video streaming service for all of you creeps in goals out there who want to get spooked out this Halloween season and every day every everyday is Halloween at shutter. You can stream in amazing collection of horror movies at free. Just four ninety nine a month or forty nine dollars for the entire year. And you know what? Try for free right now go to shutter dot com slash podcast and use the promo code unmasked that shuttered dot com slash podcast and use the promo code unmasked. Now, let's get on with the show. Please, please. Laurie's in the living room with Michael Myers, and she is scared to death. It's dark and shadowy. She's petrified. And then he pops up from behind the couch with a knife. Michael stabs, the couch, and she jabs him in the neck with a knitting needle. And then he falls to the ground. And from there, Laurie does a couple frustrating things. She picks up Michael's knife and she throws it away. She should check his corpse. She should stab him again to make sure he's dead. But instead she lives upstairs to check on the children, take a little walk. Buggy man. Scare nothing scared of. Laurie nods. She doesn't see the shadows changing behind her Michael, a very alive. Michael is coming upstairs, killed him. Can't kill the boogeyman. Got to get out of the house. Instead, she hides in a closet where Michael finds her right away. We tried to get ourselves into the safest position possible, which for her was just going all the way to the back of the closet and trying to surround herself with walls that's not rational thought hiding in the closet is pure instinct, which makes sense because fear is our most primal emotion fight or flight the survival instinct that humans share with every animal from cats to dear to cockroaches, but only humans do something unique. We choose to be scared to pay money till it technicians like John carpenter, use lighting and music to hammer on our nervous system to have a blast yelling at Laurie strode to not hide in that closet market. Kerr is a sociologist who studies fear, and she's let a lot about the closet scene in Halloween about why Laurie strode does what we are begging her not to do and why lorries tear makes us scream. And I thought that that that whole scene was so well scripted and directed because it captures so many different elements of fear. And so I think about that scene a lot and just how helpless, you know, she must have. Felt in that location, you know she wanted to protect herself, but in the end ended up trapping herself essentially. And I just, I think that that all really captures the feeling of true fear. You know, when you're helpless, you can't just, you can't have any sense of control over your environment. Margaret uses what she's learned about fear, two different ways. She's written a book called scream, chilling adventures in the science of fear, and and I love this. She also designs haunted houses. Maybe I, Amy, Nicholson. The host of Halloween unmasked should not admit this, but I cannot handle haunted houses still. I am fascinated by people who love screaming for their lives as a cautionary heads up. We're going to hear a real life nine one one call later in the show from a horror fan who took his obsession with Halloween too far. They'll be later in the show, and I will give another warning then if you'd like to skip ahead or make sure that no one impressionable is listening because fear humans, most basic emotion. It's also tied to our most beautiful one empathy. Fear and empathy are intertwined. The human brain is really incredible. We are able to feel the emotions of an experience even though we may not be directly involved in it well, so then what happens in our brains in our bodies when we watch a horror film, when we watch a horror film, there's a bunch of different changes that start happening in our body. I, we're already preparing ourselves for something scary. So the patient starts to build immediately and we know something is going to happen, but we don't know when and so any startle is going to activate our threat response. And we've got a gentleman noradrenaline, cortisol, endorphins dopamine serotonin. All of these different chemicals start coursing through our body, helping us become strong fast and focused when we're scared our bodies literally prepared to run for our lives in electorally. Sure. Yeah, you know that Michael Myers. Isn't real, but your lizard brain, it isn't so sure in that makes your whole body feel alive. Plus who loves to watch horror films with a fistful of twizzlers or peanut Eminem's or giant coke junk food ads to that physical rush. Our body starts turning any available sugar into energy, getting that out to our muscles, and that's why we start to feel kind of fully energized and primal more strong and just ready to to jump or fight or flee. And so our body becomes super activated, our skin temperature goes up as our body is trying to to be the most fuel efficient that it can and we sweat our pupils dilate. All of these changes are happening to prepare us for for uncertainty to to face what danger may come. So even though you know that Michael's not gonna stab you, you're ready for him and your body feels great. You are deliberately wonderfully miserably alive like halloween's little girl. Lindsey Wallace who will not done off the scary movie on TV. Spoke to your window. Turn off the lights. Away here. Why sitting here with all the lights off? I don't know. She doesn't know, but she knows she loves it. A lot of people feel almost a sense of euphoria and part of that is because endorphins and neuro transmitters like dopamine and serotonin are also released during those high arousal states. And in the absence of real threat we can, you know, use those in a way that feels good. That makes us feel, you know, kind of relaxed and even a little just kind of chilled out. Margie has even hooked up people to electrodes to measure the changes in brainwaves before and after doing something scary. And she's seen firsthand that that is why you leave a horror movie feeling awesome in that is part of what keeps you buying tickets them in the first place. I mean, we live pretty safe lives safer than our ancestors, at least, but scary flicks let our body chemicals have a blast even if you're not consciously thinking about dopamine and serotonin, you're aware that going to a movie, like Halloween is great. If you have a crush is any of this at all connected to why people pick out horror films for like. Dates? Yes, yes. So scary movies can be really good for dates because when we're with people that we like in a highly intense situation, like a scary movie, we bond more closely to them, and so it is true. You know, you really do kind of bond with the people that you're with under these high stress or fun. Scary activities. All of your chemicals are working to create that high arousal experience. And if you're with somebody that you're like or your tracked into it can intensify those feelings, Michael, Myers, matchmaker, and that bonding sensation is also Ihor movies are way way way better in theaters when you're surrounded by people, instead of just at home on the couch, it does intensify the emotional experience. So you hear your friends laughing or just even strangers, laughing or screaming, and you start doing the same and it really does bond people and create a sense of of solidarity. Sense that you know, you're all in this together and it is dark hyme called it the collective effervescence. You feel that that shared emotional kind of bonding that makes me think we could solve the world's problems of. We just put everybody in America in giant horror movie. Yes, yeah. I mean, you know, when we asked people how close they feel to each other afterwards, people do feel more close. You've shared this highly emotional experience and you've been bonded. You've been brought together. Of course, some movies are scarier than others. I'm sure you've seen horror films where you really just bonded with your friends over how boring it was. Filmmakers have tricks. They used freak audiences out, and John carpenter uses them a lot better than a lot of movies. I am not gonna bother to pick on. So let's analyze why Halloween is so scary. The technical choices that John carpenter made the head people losing their minds because when you think about it, this is a movie without that many murders Michael kills his sister, Judith, Myers, at the beginning, and then a full fifty minutes goes by with babysitters. Talking about boys before Laura's curly haired friend anti-gay stabbed in the car, and even then there's no shocking gore. There's nothing off that makes us flinch. There's also almost no jump scares that. Scary movie cliche of walking down a quiet dark hallway, something so overdone, that even the sitcom community made fun of it. Just a cat. Let's keep moving. All the. Off with that task. Throwing. Not keep moving because there is an insane cat down here. But what about the Samis backburner Troy. This cat has to be dealt with when you're scare tactics, work best on community. I am not abreast. Halloween has to proper fake out. Jump scares one when Laurie bumps into sheriff bracket on the street. And then again, when the rain gutter smashes through the window of the old Myers place in Dr Lummus freaks out and grabs his gun. I do. Seems to me of just playing scared, jump scares work, the way that hitting your funny bone with a hammer works, but I'm glad that Halloween only has two because I think they're often a little cheap compared to that pleasurable rollercoaster of tear that Margie describes. Jump scares are more like someone kicking the back of your chair. When I see movies that are just, you know, jump scare after jump scare. It is exhausting. You know, you do kind of get saturated from it, and it doesn't really feel like a fulfilling. Scare. It just feels like, okay, I get it. You know, lots of jump scares. Instead, John carpenter chose to build suspense. Michael Myers says knife and John carpenter has his opinion. That is what a good horror movie is. When you buy a ticket to scary movie, you know that something bad is coming. The fun is that you don't know when the slow burn is is where you become invested in the story, and you start carrying about the characters. And when it's slow, you do get more invested. And so the scares feel more more real really, and then the payoff is is is bigger that patients isn't just about the plot. It's also in the camerawork picture, the shots in Halloween picture, Lori, walking to school and walking home. Think about how far away the camera stays from Laurie John carpenter and his director of photography Nin Cundy talked about leaving big blank spaces, wide streets, giant front yards exposed windows, so that. We the audience would have to nervously scan all the corners of the screen to see where Michael Myers might be coming. It is mental torture. It is delightful, mental torture, and only in the last ten minutes when Laurie finally meets Michael, when we know exactly where Michael is, does the camera lettuce spend time with her up close to stare right into her face as she screams dean Kunde who helped design. Those shots was producer Debra hills higher. She'd met dean while he was doing the cinematography for a bunch of sexploitation thrillers with names like creature from black lake and Elsa harem keeper of the oil sheiks. They both worked on a movie called Satan's cheerleaders, where after playing sexy tackle football, a pom pom squad gets interrogated to see if any of them qualifies to be the devil's virgin brides. She the unspoiled maiden. She the one chosen to be bride kidding me in a maiden, a cheerleader for three years. They they were, what would I call something that they wanted for drive in theaters projector fodder because there had to be something running on the screen to semi entertain the the couple in the back seat and they were not scary when dean I got hired to be the cinematographer for this babysitter murders movie. He figured it might just be more of the same. But then he met John. John was the first rector I met who had the same sensibilities as I, which is to use the camera to tell visual story to tell the story. He was very much about using the camera to take the audience on this emotional journey. How you use the camera is what can create. This is pants how you compose a shot, creates suspense. If you put a character way off to one side of the frame, your eye. Tends to look at the empty part and say, what's going to happen over there in your? I always goes to the part of the frame that's got new information incoming, especially at night when the sun goes down, dean didn't turn on the lights, the way that you are. I might when we come home and we feel a little spooked instead he let the screen fill up with shadows. He knew that with the audience couldn't see would drive them insane. If I can't see there what could be there who could be there and what kind of knife would he have? It's always about manipulating what the audience sees are what you want them to see and how you want them to feel picture. That scene right after Lori, discovers Annie and Linda in Bob's dead bodies. She's sobbing in the hallway next to a dark doorway where Michaels white masks slowly patiently agonizingly emerges. It seems like good, nothing lurking. And then slowly John. Description was it's like the audiences is are getting used to the dark. So you know, I, I put a little light with a dimmer and turned it all away off and then very slowly brought it up a little bit a little bit a little bit till the audience could see. Michael Myers lurking. It was this intake of breath, an intake of breath. And then a screaming release. Dean use the science of our is adjusted darkness to intensify our fear and he doesn't again in that closet scene, it's dark when Lori hides in the corner clutching only a wire hanger for protection, but then dean and John did something wonderfully cruel. They had Michael Myers reach into the closet and turn the light on so that we get temporarily blinded by the bright swinging bold and then Laurie turns. The light back off just to the audience would have to spend more time. Blinking adjusting is freaking out about what we can't see, but even so get this when John carpenter showed his first rough cut of Halloween to the studio, they were not abreast one executive called it boring. Why John had an added the music he needed that stinger that meal job. You just heard to tell the audience to be alert here. Let's put on the opening credits of the film and really soak in his score. Go ahead in fixture that flickering Jekyll intern, if you like. It's a deceptively simple song, but listen for a few things I listened to the layers. Pull them apart. And then if I, what each one does to your nerves. It doesn't get talked about that much, but there's that insect zone that scratching at your brain making you feel anxious and itchy. Then after a few measures, the heavy hotting cords come in the sound of something for lent Lewis, something that you can't escape. And then the song it's fuller. Synthetic psycho esque strings. The up all the space. They're suffocating. And then John kills them. He kills the cords and he strips the song back to suspenseful simplicity to return your focus back to that PNO melody. That unusual bizarre rhythm is written in five four time, which means five beats per measure. Most songs have three beats or four beats or six beats per measure. So when we hear five, it's six out it sounds weird. Put us on edge. John learned that strange rhythm from his dad, a music professor. I got a pair of Bongos for Christmas, so my dad's let me teach you five four time. We sat down and he did pop up pop up about Papa Papa, banged it out on the Bongos. And then that was the beginning of the idea for the Halloween team. John is one of the only modern Hollywood composers to us five four time, but he wasn't the first. That will be this theme song that I bet you'll recognize immediately. And it's no coincidence that the mission impossible theme and the Halloween are the most instantly identifiable scores ever. They're weird. Rhythm just makes you nervous. It says that something strange is going to happen. Led into making something that would make audience just anxious. Yep. Repet- repetitive little phrase over and over again and it would get you, oh, dear. What's going to happen? And tell me if you're surprised by this fact to John unsentimental John who made this movie forty years ago and very loudly wished he wasn't so good at freaking people out and had instead gotten famous making westerns has the Halloween theme as his ringtone. It's touching on us Louis even a little sweeten vulnerable. And of course, when I call him on it, John does his best to sound cool. Actually, it's my wife's hate cellphones. Because you're waking. Does it ever get annoying? The phone meets too much. Yeah, yeah. No, I don't know. It's a whole fine. Everything is good. I have no complaints life. I'll be honest having a Halloween ringtone on my cellphone would stress me out hard pass, but maybe John has built up immunity for the rest of us. After this quick break, we're gonna talk about the side effects of scary movies and ask if our love of horror flicks can go too far. Once again, this episode of Halloween unmasked is presented to you by shudder, the premium video streaming service for all you creepy cats out there. Now, shuttered has the largest fastest growing human curated by very smart hor experts selection of thrilling and dangerous entertainment. It is the Netflix for her, and it is so good. You're gonna love everything that you find on there. You're going to discover old horror films. You never saw, and you're gonna hear about the new way of war. They got to start surfing right now. Now, shuttered, as you know, one of my favorite things about it is there curator's like Timmerman who you heard, they put together these programs of films based on themes. So if you're in a certain type of horror mood, but you don't know, you wanna watch. It's awesome. One of the questions they have now is called school's out forever. And that is if you're a person who likes watch horror films with school connections, we're talking about over yell. We're talking dead girl, which is super creepy. Of course, we got Jamie lease prom night, but you also have problem night to there's dial agendas phenomena, which if you're in a dial gentle mood because we're just talking non stop outside in the real world, you gotta check that out. And even cuter stuff like Heather's Winona, Ryder Christian Slater who does not love Heather's. Another collection they have right now is called get red, and that is dedicated to awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Eighties horror films. This is going gonna. Find your show to this is where you're gonna find your beyond you got your sleep away camp. You got your gate. Oh, you're going to have the best best best movie marathon shutter wrecks on everything I phone works. Apple TV works on Amazon fire TV works on your Android. So just get started today. It's four ninety nine a month or forty. Nine ninety nine a year. And if you wanna try fourteen days for free, just go to shudder dot com slash podcast and use the promo code unmasked that shutter dot com s. h. u. d. e. r. dot com. Slash podcast promo code on messed and get spooky. And we are back, and as I'm thinking over our conversation with fear expert Margie ker, it seems that the pleasure of fear only works when you know the Tepe down, you're safe that all the bad stuff is on the screen, but every so often fear goes too far and horror movies are accused of inspiring real life violence to that human empathy that makes us care about the victims. It sometimes makes us empathize with the villain to some. They look at the killer at their lack of fear as a personal dare. Could they be capable of killing as well? I don't believe that every person who loves Michael Myers is twisted. I don't believe most of them are by far, but we do have to talk about why some critics are afraid of horror, movies, afraid of why we like them and afraid of what someone who takes them too far might do, who can movies inspire people to kill. Yes, the give shape tune the scripting so it's a cocktail of things. It's never one thing. You might recognize the voice of Peter Vronsky the author of sons of Cain history of serial killers from the stone age to the present from episode three, where we talked about the psychology of Michael Myers as he points out this argument that horrible images inspire, horrible crimes is ancient in compasses everything. Put magazines, pornography, fairytales, even old violent would cuts. The bible has influenced serial killers as much as pornography has. So this kind of condemnation of female sexuality is deeply in green, of course, in in the Christian faith as as well. Historically is they're all Halloween. If you know fairy tales or you aware Halloween starts. So as so, you know, certainly that's not the solution, nor is, you know, necessarily taking guns away because serial killers will kill with their hands. So Franchi doesn't see the point in banning horror films win the bible is. Legal, but psychologist, Dr. Toby from that same episode does agree that when we watch Halloween, our minds aren't as innocent as wanting to save Laurie strode. I honestly think that when we watch these at an unconscious level, we identify with the aggressor more often than we would like to admit. And when that happens, we figuratively and literally see aspects of ourselves projected onto the big screen. And I think that resonates with some people. I mean, talk about identifying with the aggressor, John carpenter, literally opened Halloween with putting us inside Michael Myers his head in that long tracking shot and it rob zombie, Halloween young, Michael Myers is this bullied kid from an abusive home. He's very empathetic up until the moment he begins to kill. We're about to hear a nine one one call from a seventeen year old boy who saw how that Michael Myers could murder without emotion, and then he decided to find out if he could do that to the call is real and if you'd rather not hear it is absolutely. Okay. Just to skip ahead a couple minutes Parker county. Now we're one, where's your emergency. My house. Okay. What's the emergency. I just killed my mom and my sister, right? I just killed my mom and my sister just killed your mother and your sister. How did you do that with a gun after watching the rob zombie remake of Halloween, three times, this is what he wrote in his confession quote, I was amazed at how at ease the boy was during the murders and how little remorse he had afterward. I was thinking to myself, it would be the same for me when I kill someone. So when the boy finished watching the movie again, he put the Halloween DVD back in the case and he threw it in the trash cans that people wouldn't find out that it influenced him. I thought the quick, you know. I, I didn't want them to feel anything. That's why use the gun. But as it is like everything went wrong, this whole call which is hard to listen to and really impressive as the nine one one operator stays on the line, keeping the boy calm away from the gun until the cops come. It sounds like someone emerging from a trance like he'd gone so deep into the movie screen that it didn't really think death was real. I don't mean to sound like a once or anything, but you know, this is. Wow. I've never done anything violent in my whole life. You know you don't sound like a violent person. No, you don't. But his mom and kid sister were dead and he's now in prison. In that confession, he also wrote about snapping back from fiction into reality. He said, I know now though that I'm done with killing, it's the most dreadful and terrifying thing I will ever experience in what happened. Last night will haunt me forever, but the people who argue that scary, movies. 'cause crimes have one more case to point to around ten million people caught the Halloween remaking dealers and millions more solid at home. Only one kid picked up a gun and blamed it on Michael Myers, but we are living in a time of fear inside the theater and out in the world. Would I I met John here in my town of l. a grocery store manager had just been killed that we can in a shootout. And so in between talking about the movie and bowling green and everything else, we were both so rattled that we couldn't help talk about that too. We gotta fix this somehow. No, and your generation's gonna do it buying screwed up. We fucked it up. Pardon me? We did. Everything seems motivated by this fear. This giant fear. It's one of the two scary stories that we, we can tell. One is the evil is inside or the evil is outside right wing. Evil is always outside. It's them different color skin different way they talk is different. Now that goes way back to us tribal. We're sitting around the campfire and we've just come out of the trees. And the wish doctor says, I'll tell you where evil is it's out there in the woods in the darkness. It's the next tribe. And they're gonna come in here and things will be impure and they'll take you over. That's right. Wing left wing. He'll same situation were sitting around the campfire which doctor gets up and says, I'll tell you where evil is. It's right in here and he points to his heart. It's an each of us. We have the capability to commit evil. The good man shoes is not to and fights against those impulses. The good fight back against fair through your neighbor. Like you wanna be treated that that's a whole Krit. I don't wanna be hateful person. I don't let out maybe you to feel like you've spent most of your life like Laurie strode, innocent oblivious until suddenly the news has turned into a screaming nightmare. I really interested to see how changes in the upcoming years because we have as society Ben through this, this just slow burn of crisis of not knowing who to trust. And I think that there is a a crisis of fear. People want to reclaim their fear. That's what I talked to. A lot of my students about reclaiming their fears so that they, they know what to to truly be afraid of an have more confidence in themselves to know that they are capable and competent and that while the world might be scary. Philby they'll be okay, reclaiming our fear that something that's been on my mind a lot, although not until Margie said those words that I have the right phrase in my head, turning that fear into action, knowing that we can survive this, horror films are minus of that too. You know, we're ancestors of the humans who had the wit to strategically kind of a void danger, but also the bravery, really the courage to to seek out to to go and explore to be curious. But also, you know, have the this threat response that would allow us to get away and survive to to fight another day. Wait, that sounds like you're saying that we as humans are all the final girl. Yes, yes, we really are. And it's it's something that has kept us alive. We really are capable of of so much and watching scary movies. Is a nice way to be reminded of that horror movies do inspire us for about an for good, and we inspire them. For example, right now I've seen a lot of the upcoming movies focus more on the revenge horror. And I think that that really is reflecting where we are right now with movements like black lives matter and time's up me to all of that is now being translated through our horror movies into something that we can have a sense of feeling like we have a sense of control over it feeling like we have a cathartic way to deal with it translating current day concerns into monsters that we can defeat onscreen. In fact right now you wherever you are, you are joining me in participating in something beautifully human are, you know, obsessive reading or listening to podcasts and stories, and all of these different ways to to understand mass murderers and killers is really are tempt to try and understand something so unimaginable and it is. Through engaging with things that are repulsive or where violence that we are reminded of our humanity that we're reminded of love of compassion and it's kind of a paradox. But I think it makes a lot of sense that we can be reminded of our own humanity through the inhumane actions of of others and takes over that empathy and extended to Laurie strode. Even when we're screaming at her through the screen, we do see a lot of characters doing the exact opposite of what we think they should be doing. So they're running up the stairs when they should be running out the front door. And part of that is because when we are truly terrified, all of our resources are focused on our bodies. So we're not thinking rationally we're not thinking strategically. It just is kind of total bring shutdown so that we can focus on getting away. But unfortunately, we do see that that is sometimes utilized. That sounds like a defense of Jamie Lee throwing. The knife away after she stabs, Michael Myers twice, yes. Yes, I know, yeah, it's really, you know, we we hope to to think that we would make better decisions. And I think that you know, watching scary movies and practicing being scared, can maybe contribute to better responses in the moment which also to fair one of the reasons we yell at Lori for throwing away the knife when she's downstairs on the couch is not actually her fault. It is dean and John's fault. When Jamie Lee played that scene, she was reacting to the fact that the knife is covered in blood up close. The knife was super gross, and she thought that the audience would understand her revulsion. But Dana, John kept the scene so dark and shadowy. And so far away that we can't really see the blood or the expression on her face that is their bad, not hers. But the second time she throws away the knife come on still unless we've been chased by a guy with a knife who are we to judge actually meet Joe Scott tall bearded a strong. Looking guy who on the scariest night of his life, a night with a really was a guy with a knife thought of Laurie strode. At this year's Comecon he stood up and told his story. First of all. This really grateful for moody, Halloween, it's for years ago saying that light. Situation where someone. Wires, Ana guy was running around with ninety, scared on my mind. The nowhere this inside me went will. What would change Curtis. Our touches it up, the knitting nails, insulate grabbing the tracks, and I saw the gun at the night from one said the house Iran down, ran down the David start screaming link. You did. The guys, what's your hand? Just Neal's oppose ills that you are house. But to me belongs assured I'm here today because the way they knew portrayed lowering strove. I'm Victor today instead of a victim of just like most people that give your time. And as Joe started to cry, Jamie Lee, Curtis got off the convention stage to give him a powerful hun. So for movies, save lives to our attraction to fear is good. So when we watch Halloween a theater and we squeeze someone's hand, or we share a gas with some next to us, we might never see again. But his right now, our neighbor when we make eye contact with a stranger afterwards and we trade grins. Let's just come out and say we are doing something good for humanity and to hear Joe in the Comecon crowd fandom is good on our next episode of Halloween unmasked. We're gonna hit into the heart of phantom at the h forty fortieth anniversary hollowing convention in Pasadena, right? Where the murders magic. I happen. You just walk over. I will probably drive, but join us as we meet our fellow creepers. Hopefully all of them will be wearing pants. In the watch excuses, excuses shut up, jerk shirt. That's all you ever think about you. Episodes. Halloween unmasked is a co production of the ringer and neon home media. It was written and hosted by me. I mean a consent in our producers, our Jonathan Hirsch Zach, MAC in Greta, Weber, but action assistance from KAI McMullan in car in Nevada and additional support in the special. Thanks to Bill Simmons, Sean, fantasy, Juliet limit. And in Otis special, thanks to you creeps for listening to Halloween on messed.

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Bonus Episode - Creating the Sound of the Bank Robber Diaries

The Score: Bank Robber Diaries

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Bonus Episode - Creating the Sound of the Bank Robber Diaries

"From Western sound and a studios. This is the score. The bank robber diaries. I'm Bene- Der and hope you're doing okay. During these times we've been trying to roll out some bonus episodes for you to entertain you. Give you some stuff to do well. You're hunker down wherever you happen to be. We had in the first episode an interview with Piper Kerman. The author of Orange is the new black. Joe Loya was a huge influence on her issue is getting ready to read her book which then turned into the hit. Netflix. Tv Show and then in the last episode. We had Richard Rodriguez who was a huge influence on Joe when he was in prison today. We're GONNA switch it up a little bit and we're not going to talk the story necessarily but we are. GonNa talk a lot about the podcast and kind of what made the podcast what it was and by that. I mean we're going to talk specifically about the music and sound design. That went into here Western remake shows. We think a lot about how they sound about. What kind of music? How to use music to use other sound effects to emphasize storytelling and the person who really thinks the most deeply about this and was so instrumental in creating the sound of bank robber. Diaries is Dan the on one of the producers on staff so. Dan Is joining me now on here. Dan How are you? Hi Ben. I'm okay. How are you normally review recording this in our studio at work that? I he's sitting here in my home studio. I'm going to put air quotes around my home studio because it's really just kind of like this empty room that I'm sitting in recording. Dan is not too far away just as a mile or two in his own home studio which is comprised of several blankets and Kia lamp which is holding the microphone up. Luckily you can't see this. That's the thing that you should be happy about that. You can't see the disaster. That is my studio. Most most people are so used to being zoomed now in seeing the atmosphere is that people live in as opposed to what they work in. But we're hearing podcast so he can just describe whatever we want. I should say I'm in my home studio. Which is a million cost. A million dollars. I have some renaissance paintings originals on the walls. It's really just a lovely place to make. Podcast Dan what is your studio. Look like My studio looks exactly as I just described it but in the next room there's a hundred people Adoring fans staying very very for this recording. But they're they're over there. Yeah anyway I wanted to just kind of get into this because music and sound design was so crucial to telling Joe Story To start we could start by looking at one of the scenes that you put together and I know normally you would start with the first thing in the podcast and say like hey this is you know us doing the very first thing. Setting the tone but I wanted to just focus instead on scene. That came later in the show Because I feel like it's kind of a pit of misers more with what you are trying to do and what we were trying to accomplish here so this is a scene from episode six. Which is the episode where Joe Stabs? His Dad and this is actually the scene where Joe has stabbed his dad. He's run away. He's gone to his aunt's house. The police have come. Give this a quickness. Joe What happened next in COMP. Dcom they take us and I'm home in the police station. I'm sitting there like there's a movie where Kevin Spacey. Kaiser says as usual suspects usual suspects. I'm like one of those cool last loot usual suspects or I'm just saying I got almost picture. My knees my legs crossing from sitting there. Smoking a cigarette casual and cool. Because I'm not wanting a cigarette many laser and cross but I am so pumped from what happened and feeling of power of that when you kill somebody in from moment. I thought my dad was dead. I killed him. That was a different power when you do that. And you talk to you in prison. Talk to people kill people and I had friends who would say you know the only thing stopping that man for me dead right now. We know what one would say my decision and to be a man who that's true to like you know the only thing that I'm like sitting here looking and say you have no clue but the reason your lives because right now I choose not kill you. That's a powerful way to move the world from moment I feel that. Oh Man. I'm the Kinda Guy who announced. Just say you. You're done you. I'll let you live longer you you're done. You know that kind of thing and then they take me to interrogate me. Police officer wants here my story and as I started telling them my story thinking that I'm telling him how I was abused. He tried to hurt us and south defense and then he starts asking me questions very quickly. I start realizing from the kinds of questions asked me like. Why didn't you run away? Why didn't you call anyone so you got the knife and you waited in bed? You waited on your bed within under the pillow hiding and I realize he's painted a picture of me of lane and wait portrait. He's pain is had unions like you didn't have to stab them. You could've called us and he's painted. This is attempted murder and I realized sitting there. I'm smart enough to kind of get the impression that you probably beat the fuck out of your kid and you don't want you don't like me. You like what I represent as we take shit from people like you and your backing. My Dad's play. I just told you what he did and he he's not looking at me like I'm going to use kid who tried to defend himself from his father who came back around to but one win. I'm senior tons story by kill. My I felt like King Kong. I was like maybe David. Jeff fucking took Goliath right like I. I'm a Badass. Like I can start looking at this. Complex your fucking piece of Shit for back you. My Dad's play. I'm starting to like recognize this. Maybe starting at the beginning of like Oh your authority figure fuck you all your thirty figure could give each other cover to do shit like this to us. Fuck you I do remember resenting the fuck out that guy very fast so you're sitting the police station. You thought that you killed your dad. What are you feeling towards him? In this moment. Some point in that in the precinct I learned that he was alive when they went there. He wasn't there. He's not dead on the floor so we do learn that I do learn that eventually and the adrenaline all away and all of a sudden my fucking arms and rib hurts debris because if you've ever had fractured ribs you know she she around get swollen and then your lungs are pushing up against its hargreave. I start having problems and I explained that I'm having problems so the doctor the hospital and they get the hostile mentally. Find out all the things about me maybe concussions. Fractions bruises and all. I'm a mess on. I've been abused and it's no longer attempted. Murder clearly itself defense going back into that and just remembering that moment from the shower or just such an important moment in the story and there's so much going on with the sound design From the very beginning where. We're hearing the sirens the music the Kind of cacophony of what must be going on in his head to the to the very end Where he's kind of gone through this trial of this guy not believing him and it's clear that He's he's telling the truth. I mean I don't even know like how you this as a sound designer like what are you. What are you thinking. What when you get when you're looking at a scene like this when you're thinking about Joe Story. What sort of like the Big Picture? Big Picture and then kind of drill down on a few different things. I think to start everything you need to answer the question of. What the Hell Are you doing? And why there's something to the ear when you're making arbitrary decisions like a listener is hearing a composer making random decisions or decisions. That are just based around well. It sounds cool I think that feels like you're not really treating a story so you have to start from a decision. That actually is deliberate in the first act of this show which for me was really the first six episodes. I knew that in those first six episodes I wanted the music and sound design to be treating joe as though he is very much the hero of the story and getting the audience as close as possible to experiencing these scenarios really through Joe's eyes and then later on in the series. We can start questioning him. We can start rolling back but at this moment you are Joe Loya. You're right there with him and I just tried to. I tried to think about the fact that when you're going through a traumatic episode or the most heightened moments of your life. I think you find that you remember odd details like weird things will will linger that don't necessarily have to do with the wider trauma so a lot of the sound design. There is like an obvious siren in there but I also had There's this little electrical like kind of something from a an ultra violet light. That's kind of hissing and popping route. It and I just imagined that he's in this interrogation room being kind of dragged to this interrogation room and he's constantly hearing this hissing and popping of a light while he's being interrogated and while he's being pressured the sonic equivalent of like one of those bare lightbulbs. Kind of hanging like the buzz of a fluorescent maters and it's really kind of agitating to the ear as I imagine that it adds to the tension I also wanted like buried in the track. I wanted the sound of police officers in the next room. They're in there too. But I like the idea that they're joking around I remember being a police station earlier in my life and I remember that happening and it was just very odd that we were having this very intense conversation but in the next room I heard people laughing as though this intensity had nothing to do with you. Know the didn't matter like they were just having fun there around the water cooler joking around and I remember hearing those elements as I was listening to it. you know as the final mix and thinking like it was very unnerving to me listening to it. You know it was. It was sort of like Counter to what the mood of the room was but in a way that felt almost like imposing right. Exactly like I mean. What's what's scarier to you. Is You know like a police officer. Who's really really attempting to intimidate you. I I would find it more frightening. If he's just has a band of people in the next room were laughing. That's scarier to me than if there's talking about you just don't care about your your nothing and whether or not you really did this as a relevant then in terms of the music. The main thing that happened in the scene for me is this is where Joe discovers that he has the power to in my opinion rob banks down the line. This is when he discovered. I just stabbed my father. I have this thing inside of me that I can do that. Very very few people can do So I thought a lot about Joe's physicality and Joe's inner life. When I was writing the music like what it is. Hartfield like stomach like his pulse. There's a sound in there that I love. Which is also a sound. That's probably unnerving you tried to imagine. How do I make a sound? That sounds like nausea and like this bubbling rage and wrote this rage theme that we used in the trailer and we use it throughout the show which is kind of like this sort of cauldron of like bubbling lava and sounds spread I thought since this is the origin of his rage. I'll grab a piece of that and it sort of sounds like a stomach kind of tightening and getting nervous and stressed and it just repeats and repeats and repeats. Literally three minutes of this sequence. That sound is running and getting gradually louder in the mix and to me. That's like the the beginning of his rage and it also increases the stress so it made sense to me to grab that rage theme chop it up. Build it up throughout this sequence. Now you can feel you feel the tension building across the segment for sure and then. I think that it's very effective in this very important moment and Joe's life I agree where he went from being. This abused Kid. You know picked on kid the victim to someone who has the power to make other people victims right and even like you know later in the story when he talks about trials and tribulations that he faced in prison or even after prison like this is a story that that for him is foundation. I stabbed my dad. I can do anything if I can do that. I can do what I'm what do I have to be scared of right? You know and and I do think like like you guys should go back and you people listening to this. You got you back and just kind of listened to the scene again because I think like you can start to hear these different elements. Dan's talking about and how they do sort of like come together to create both like this this moment of tension but also kind of a penny definitely away and then in act. Two of this show were really launching into Joe's just kind of mad rain across California Southern California. And that's how I mean I. This is how like when we talk about the show. I mean that's kind of how he talked about. It like episode one is kind of a prologue for the whole series Act One is sort of Joe's a kid. What went into making the bank? Robbers episodes? Two through six culminates with him stabbing his dad and then episodes seven through twelve. I think our act two of the show which is all about him being a bank robber about him. Victimizing people getting into prison becoming a bad at bad ass prison Joe Getting shipped into solitary and then really losing his mind in solitary like to me the the climax of is him losing his mind in episode twelve and then act three of the shows. Sort of like joe becoming the new joe and that's episodes thirteen fourteen fifteen So when you first got this show 'cause you Kinda came into the process of it later than other people who are working on this You know with the specific idea of creating the overall Sound and music and sound sound design at a show like like. How do you even approach your subject like that like Joe? How did you dive into the story? Was it what was the first thing you did when you started when you started working on this. It's kind of a lame thing. The the first thing is Kinda lame answer. I guess I started asking myself the question. How do I personally feel about Joe and I needed to understand? Do I have enough in common with this man that I that it's appropriate for me to pull upon personal experiences of mine when writing the music or do I need to be completely objective observing him? So am I going to tangle with this person and get into a relationship with him musically or am I going to stay totally objective and the other thing? Frankly that I had to think about was this is a fifteen episode arc and that's a long show right. This is a character study period like nuts. What the show is I? Think when you make a character study. What you have to think about is like what is the audience's experience of this show supposed to be an in a character study like the audience's reaction to the character is Kinda like the punchline to the show and that men there it is okay for us to present moments in the show where the person that is talking is bad and is wrong and the music is presenting it. As though it's not bad and it's okay so something that. I decided early on because I want the audience to be attached to Joe and at his hip particularly in the early episodes. Were really advocating for him. The music is backing him up now. That changes later. We can get to that but at first the music is backing him up. And I'm begging him up and making them larger and you're supposed to be identifying with him. Joe Is the only person in the show who gets sound design no else in the show. Get sound design. Were you mean by that? Was the difference. So when I'm scoring a scene I will. I guess you could call them like a hallucinogenic reenactments I guess like. I'll make sort of fucked up versions of the atmosphere that Joe is existing in so when he's describing a bank robbery bring you into a bank when he's in an interrogation room. I will bring you there. When he's biting someone's ear off. You will hear the sound of the struggle to get you closer to Joe. It's not necessarily to make those sequences sound cool. It's to get you closer to him. But because he sort of in charge of the show deliberately for me in the first six episodes. He's the only one who gets sound design. There's only one other moment in the show that that someone else gets sound design. We could talk about that. Maybe later So I I basically thought about what instrument do I give to Joe and What is his natural theme going to be and I came up with this four note sequence which is just four notes from minor sequence sets it. So this is. We'll just play a little bit of that. Here's the this is. What do you call this piece Joe? Yeah Yeah So let's Joe. What were some of the other characters and their themes in the show so I thought about giving them themes but the main thing that I wanted to do was that each character be represented by an instrument with Paul Joe's brother. It just seemed very appropriate that he be introduced and constantly scored with an Acoustic Guitar. And the reason for that is very simply that he talks often about playing the guitar for Joe and that Joe encouraged him to keep learning how to play the Acoustic Guitar so although it was a little bit on the nose and I went back and forth. It just keeps working every time I play Guitar. Times on the noses just fine sometimes. It's just fine. You know. We'll say that so. I don't feel bad about my obvious decision. So let's say this is Paul Steam and Okay so joe had a theme Paul a theme theme the One. That was tricky. Was Brenda Brenda. Joe Stub who is going to sort of the worst period of abuse by his dad. Yeah and the thing that was interesting about Brenda is you. Might assume that Brenda's voice he. She was an older woman. She spoke very very quietly when I first heard the tape and I was a little bit nervous about whether or not she was going to be able to be able to withstand enough music. You know some people just have a speaking voice where you can't put a lot of music them they just swallowed becomes unlistenable. And I didn't find that to be the case. There's something about her tone and sort of the magic of scoring for podcasts. She was just so self-assured even though she wasn't speaking very loudly that there was you could put quite a large synthesizer and kick underneath her. But Brenda to me is represented by a piano. I very specifically didn't put any affects on that piano so a lot of the music in this show has distortion just various various effects. Where the sounds are really fraught and tortured and beat up. Because it's a lot of damage people were talking about. But Brenda as a figure. Didn't really want anything to do with all of that and I think that it hurts Joe that that's the case that that she sort of walked away maybe in his eyes prematurely then he sort of wishes that she would handle a little bit more. Maybe get into this dirt. Get into this crime minus. But she doesn't and so for me. I put Brenda. It's just an unaffected piano because she sort of floating above all of this violence. You know she just kind of doesn't really want to be a part of it and she wants out teddy decide to leave. Ooh We're on our way home from work. One day my husband picked me up. We carpool together. I'd gotten a call from Paul's teacher that he had failed the spelling test and I told his father on the way home and he got explosively angry over a spelling test. He pulled the car overturned sideways at a seat and started teaching. I opened the door the car and got out which he was kicking me out of the car. He wanted me out of the car and drove up and I was in an industrial area. Bad part of town and it was getting dark and there I was town phone booth and I called a cab and I got home and when I got home I knocked on the door. No one came to the door I to knock a lot. Finally my husband opened the door with one hand. He was sweating. He was disheveled and his other hand was around pulse. Throat and Paul was bleeding from the nose from the mouth and I think that was the first time I ever got physical with my husband. It was just a shocking thing and I just jumped in the middle and started flailing and I think scared him certainly surprised him and he left the apartment and I tended to Paul Hall said Brin. Please you gotTA help us. You've got help us. I remember and interviewed her. She felt like someone who had thought for a long time about what had happened to her had really worked through it years. You know I don't know I would imagine and therapy talking with people just really. She had spent a lot of time with her trauma and she had expanded a lot of energy at trying to Get beyond it. Get past it you know. And she did have this kind of quiet confidence when she spoke that really. It really affected me when I interviewed for sure. And I think the thing that also affected me by it that there are a lot of moments of people saying I've gotten over this in the show to various extents. Joe Says it varies extents. Paul says a and this is no criticism to those people who I you know. I admire their stories but I don't believe them Brenda believed I. I really did believe that Brenda had moved on from this. And it's interesting like I spent a lot of time at the people the various people in the show and I do think that they're all beyond it in a way But they've also like Joe. Paul Joe Seniors. While they've they've made it a part of who they are so it's not. It's not even really a question of getting beyond it. It's just a it's more. They've sort of they've they've all changed and they've all become much different people but their trauma is still am very very important. Part of the people that they are now sure. Maybe it's a larger part of their identity per than than than for Brenda. Another issue of this is and maybe this goes into to how we produce this show. I didn't have a lot of personal interaction with Joe Which was another thing. That was odd was I really had to sort of psychoanalyze this man and it's not because you you deliberately kept you know space between us or anything like that actually did it is because we keep you in the producing dungeon that western sound. We're all browsers go while they're working on shows aren't allowed out right but you typically let me up for an ice cream cone like once a week and I'm happy to have that ice cream cone. The olden days when you got to leave your dungeon and got and took me a month to realize that there was a shelter in place or the only reason I I didn't know because I wasn't getting my ice cream call. That's really funny. Let's talk a little bit about Joe. Let's talk about how Joe Evolves as a character over the show and how the sound his sound kind of evolve over the course of the show. I WANNA play a scene and this is from Deep into act to this episode eleven when Joe is talking about being in prison and just kind of all the crazy. Things Happen When he's in prison I saw things I didn't expect to see. I mean stuff that you would see on TV and things like that. It's impossible I a guy get lit on fire. Nacelle could see it from my window is late at night and he just went out here. Went up and you screaming itself and then the next it went up. But the guy wasn't on fire parts of bed on fire and then the third so next some guy had been in there screwing acetone in the south and I when they were sleeping and the guy was walking down the tier and he just lit them on fire. I remember watching that and thinking. Should that can happen here too. I don't staff he's GonNa ever get choked out. I know somebody could come and strangle you with a bad weather with A. She turned into a rope. I know a bunch of things can happen in there and I'm like shit they elect you on fire to God damn but it was. It was dark and it was beautiful night out is clear and that sound just lit up. God that screaming. I remember hearing that screaming. The person I heard it make chill. They still have chills my arms that the screaming of the man getting lit on fire. There's an important scene for Joe As he sort of becoming this terrible person and kind of descending into even into his prison persona what did you hear in the scene? And then how did you create the scene sonically? This was a pretty tricky part of the production for me. You know you mentioned when you when you opened up this clip like we're talking about Joe's Ark and how Joe is changing but I was also trying to think about again. This is a fifteen episode arc. Like how is the podcast changing is more? I thought about this scene because there's like. Let's let's imagine if we were telling this story in episode one or an episode to when we're really kind of were still on Joe's side right. We Joe as he speaks when he's telling the story. I actually voiced this conflict to Cameron Cal. You can introduce. What Cam Cameron the other producers or western town? Here's a lead producer On the story. Yeah and so I kind of came to him and just said hey man. Do you feel feel weird about how joe is talking about this man being set on fire. And he's like well. Yeah he's laughing right he's laughing. He's seeing this terrible thing happened and he's laughing he's laughing And so I I if we were presenting this in the first episode when we were still quote unquote on Joe Side. Perhaps would have presented this moment sort of like making it cool right or making it. Kinda grimy and Kinda like hey were in it man. We're having fun here like this nuts. You know we're in the action movie. Holy Shit Dude got set on fire. Fuck me and really agreeing with Joe. This is the last moment in the show where the music is on Joe's side. The music leaves him behind here so I wanted to leave this sort of carousel bouncing synthesizer underneath it. And be like you know that. Sort of a pleasant line. No no no no. No no no no. And what makes that horrifying is that screaming synthesizer the sound of the flames and this man screaming. I wanted to like make the show feel this juxtaposition between the pleasantness and the lightheartedness with which Joe is talking about this and the horror of what actually occurred. And that's it like the music as we enter into solitaire. Go down. The music leaves him behind. So this is a very important moment. Musically I think because the the show has now changed shape. So let's go skip straight ahead to Episode twelve this is Joe in solitary. Losing his mind and we can hear how the music is different. Now was always there. It's always there was always there stayed. There was like Oh one day I was at my desk here. Joe and I turn around and I myself and I could've sworn like a guard or celebrities like it was shocking. First Time I thought maybe the whole fucking something. I didn't have a home. I mean I thought maybe some and then so I used to play concentration games where I would look at one spot on the wall and if you look at one spot on the wall along your it's harming is one move and challenging five minutes and I eventually got up to an hour and like us. Psychedelic should starts happening around that one smart eventually because the world is moving in your eyes moving nothing is still and is move and so that spot will start moving and so it was like Holy Shit. It's moving and I'm watching it move. And then it became a horse galloping. Seen It'd be came. All happening is kind of cool ended up having one Linda. I'm looking at that spot. And then all of a sudden it was a face in a morph into another face and I was like. Oh this is cool. That Michael Jackson video you know ask where like everyone's faces more now. That's so cool. That's cool all right. Well I want to stop now. It's been an hour and I go to move away and I should. I close my eyes and has gone. Call Fuck that's crazy. It was where we're looking at ended a migrate over here too. I looked over here. He was in my vision. Now go my vision was criticized the next day. I'd do it again except this time when I pull away. It's showing I close my eyes and it's in the dark in my head in my eyes cycle fuck. The Dean is getting louder. Now I can kind of it. Feels like there's voices but you can't make them out now they're like. Oh I get more animated right two. I mean there's just so much happening in there it's kind of amazing your leg. I felt like really inside of Joe's head as he's losing his mind and like first of all the music underneath it is a Banger. Like it's just a great track as very repulsive than just like really good and then you have all the different layers of different sounds like so. I went to things like first of all like the music's not on his side there. You're saying before what does that mean the music. Not on his side in this one the way that I wanted to approach this is almost like the the the universe is sort of enjoying punishing him. And I imagine this I imagine this as a trip that goes bad about midway through so I think that in segue tripping I think so I don't have a ton of experience with a limited experience but I I know that switch from oh. This is going very well. This feels really good. Feels like I'm having fun with this to Onno. I've taken a wrong turn here which can also happen with prolonged meditation which is essentially what he's doing And so the music. I guess it's sort of a misnomer. The music is kind of like it. I imagine the music like yeah. I'm on your side here. We're having a lot of fun. This is a lot of like this is great but it's all to like hit him afterwards you know. The music is kind of being manipulative at this moment. But it's against Joe. It's not pumping them up anymore. It's kind of creating an atmosphere that he's fighting against credit and working with cracked. It's antagonizing him and then once it switches and we get into that cacophony. It's obviously a lot more unpleasant. I think that when a person is having a trip or a dream the things that they see in my opinion has some sort of representation to their real life so it's not as arbitrary as they think that it is it does have some meaning so I'll just give you one example of that when Joe Says Oh I saw this horse galloping What I put is the sound effect of him and his brother running away after stabbing his father. It's the same. It's the same sound effect so again like I don't WanNa behave arbitrarily like everything that's in everything that's in. There has an emotional reason for there. I mean all of the voices of people saying Joe are other moments in the show where people are talking about. Joe And I chose a Joe from each of them when they were saying a sentence that was critical of them. It was critical of Joe. You there was critical Joe. So it's like all these voices turn against him but the last thing that we hear is the sound of the Somare earthquake and that female vocal that comes back throughout the show which is just representative of his mother. And I think at the very core of this story is Joe's mother I couldn't escape it and so that that was the last sound in there that we hear before his trip ends. Yeah so Earlier you talked about. How Joe is the only person in the show who got sound design around their scenes except there's was one exception to that and that is a female teller that we interviewed. Who was robbed by Joe and this is from episode eight so i WanNa play just a little bit of this segment. I do remember telling. Fbi Why did he tell me he was coming back to me and they said they say that to scare you so you forget you forget what they look like they forget you forget what any details but they told you the whole incident just tries to scare you and I go okay so when I left at two o'clock that afternoon I walked out of the building by myself. Nobody walked me to my car. And that's when I started freaking out because I didn't feel safe and I thought he was out there waiting for me. Even though they tried to assure me I was just I ran to my car started crying. I thought he was out there. Yeah he scared me. How long did that stay with you? Probably about six to eight weeks. I couldn't drive at night or to school. My parents had the pick me up from college on if I had a night. Class and nightmares We lived in a two story house and some big windows and I would dreamer wake up. That he was just. If I looked out the window he'd be standing there on the sidewalk. Those types of things. Yeah about two months. I never forgot his face. Definitely a chilling moment. Fred Taylor and I can understand why you wanted to kind of to bring that out more but tell me what were you thinking? When you're like okay. This is the one place a one story in the show. Besides Joe that get sound design. Did you make that decision One of the things Those real joy about like making this show was just kind of getting the episode's as you as you all were producing them and when I listened to this one I was pretty shocked at the storytelling decision. That we were you cameron in yourself were making and when I heard. Joe Weep for the first time right at the hearing of this story. It seemed like because the the male teller that he listens to. He's he's affected by that but very much still has his Pravada in his presence. It isn't really until he hears this story. That Joe starts getting genuinely shaken off of his game. I liked the idea that as the podcast is turning the tables on Joe we give this victim the same measure of respect that we've given to him like her pain is just as valid as his pain and presenting it in the same way that I would present. Joe's pain seemed like the appropriate moment to do that. And then you'll notice that after that I leave Joe in silence for four minutes like he just has to deal with the consequences of what he's done he doesn't get any help from music or sound design. I find it was a really really. I mean other show filled with magical moments. I thought this was definitely one of the most magical ones hearing Hearing these stories from both the tellers really. I was surprised interviewing them. You know I we located them and then we call them on the phone to see if they wanted to be interviewed and we talked to both of them on the phone. It was very Lake Berry. Breezy Oh yeah that thing that happened you know many many years ago decades ago. Yeah sure I'll talk to you guys about that. And then when we actually got them you know got in the room and started talking to them about it Both of them. You could see all the emotion start coming back. You could see the legacy of that trauma really rising and them and it was. It was powerful to watch and then equally powerful to talk about with Joe and seeing emotion. Come in you know the emotion that he had over it like it was clear that it was you know. We talked at various points. About how how? This was telling. The story is hard for him. Telling these stories can be hard. But you hear when he's when he's telling the stories he's very giving a quite a performance and it was one of the few places where. I felt like he was like you were saying like not in control of his performance and it was a super just genuine emotional reaction of just you know despair and guilt and shame to those one moment when. I was listening to at the moment where you know part of being a sound designer. Is You also want to live up to two good tape? You know you hear something. That's really beautiful and I'm like oh no I need to give something back to Cameron and Ben. That lives up to this episode that they But there was a moment that really frightened me To would I be able to do something that was worthwhile love it? I love at this in the tape. When Joe says he starts like kind of weeping a bit and I think I hear him like rub his face or his hat and he just says he says this is terrible man like he doesn't want to be feeling what he's feeling and even more so than the The crying that's what really made me understand that this was a person who really was not having a good time with what was going on inside it was a it was definitely a sh- an episode that was filled with some very intense emotions. I think for everybody who participated in it including me do so there's one other Seen that I wanna just kind of take us out with which I think is one of the most beautiful scenes in the whole podcast and this is the scene where Joe I talks about an episode to were Joe Talks about his mother dying and starts with his mother getting sick and his memories of her being sick and then finishes with the funeral in the wake and the earthquake and to me. It's just one of the most again like just a super magical moment I think we can let this scene take out So is there anything that you want to say? An introducing it. I I guess I would just say briefly that like you know. I suppose there's some debate about the show of like whether or not joe is redeemed and whether or not you know He's he's sort of reformed and I. This is also probably one of my favorite moments in the show because You Know I. I have a lot of ambiguous feelings about Joe but the one thing that I do know is that the death of his mother genuinely destroyed this man. He loves his mother's so so much Yeah and the only thing that it didn't work until I had everything was in there. All the music was in there and it wouldn't work. There's one synthesizer that you will hear that screaming one. No that's like a pitch bend and that's me getting super frustrated because nothing was working so I was just holding one key and I didn't intend to bend the no at all But I was just getting so angry that it wasn't sounding I it didn't feel painful enough that I just started like bending the synthesizers pitch up as I was listening to Joe. Talk about his pain. And then suddenly it worked. And that's what you'll hear here and it's amazing so it is kind of an accident a thing of just real beauty. That's amazing it is. This is The summer earthquakes so on February fourth. My mother pass away round. Three o'clock apparently Thursday afternoon on the Dallas Table Heart attack February eighth the night before the funeral. My Dad decides that he's going to stay at his house. Is your prayer in the morning. My answer the worry Joe will will will take the boys seventy February ninth not morning. I'm asleep and I start hearing like what the house that noise rattling and windows vibrating. And they're all kind of everything on there is moving and they jump up my answer. Scream earthquake six one in the morning there. Sylmar earthquake hits and it hits Harness Rock and rolling. There's an it's going so hard and so long. They jump up and my aunt takes under the kitchen table. Mother had takes my brother to answer the door and then my aunt scolds my aunt. Who's taken me on a table? Get over here like we're able to run around the MIR. I think foul collapsed. I guess he gets chefs falling off the windows of the big earthquake. And I remember thinking about that. Like as Baba's story where the angels came and they fought for Moses bones and they took Moses bones which kind of a weird story nonetheless I liked believing that maybe the raucous rumblings on the planet was some spiritual beings Cam. You just drag. My mother's body is going to have with US. Come on right now. Now I added that spiritual component to it. Were grieving a lot of pain that day. And we had this physical shock to our system That was a while we were having any emotional shock to our system and and inside literally. The planner was around. This was Roy too so it was It's the suffer mysticism Mississippi Dan. Thanks so much for coming in and talking about the design of the show it really was just so beautiful and such an honor to work with you on this. I really felt that you took the show to a whole new level Beyond what the storytelling alone could do. So I'm off and I hope you guys out there listening. Got Something out of this conversation to thanks Dan. 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5 - Entrail Shakes and Puppy Dog Steaks were just an appetizer for this rookie killer - WTF Crime

WTF Crime

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5 - Entrail Shakes and Puppy Dog Steaks were just an appetizer for this rookie killer - WTF Crime

"This week on what the fuck crime, just because you're dead doesn't mean you won't get lucky sex, and mirth, Carolina sucks. An internal shakes and puppy dog stakes are just an appetizer for this rookie killer. Buckle up everyone as we jump into what the fuck crime. Welcome everyone to what the fuck crime episode five, I, maybe jeez, so Keith any what the FOX's week. Oh, yeah. On those fucking and today was the best day of all okay. So driving to work again because apparently all bad should happen when you're driving to work too, because they're soap looking good, guys. They both. All right. So the first one this is really nice dodge charger black next in the lane. Next me now, this is the cars, I like cars you like. Okay, beautiful pray twenty eighteen twenty nineteen gloss. Black is really nice, but it has this really weird gold Elmo on the side. So it pulls a head of me chance for my thing I didn't know what it wasn't time. But it pulls a head of me and all of a sudden, on the back of the bumper is a three foot long, probably six inch high transam sticker. This is transam. We why. That's the best part. So, yeah, the dodge says, transient with the back, so I pull forward on the side of the car is the transam logo. And then they pulled past the car on the hood of the car is like the smoking demanded transam bird. Transient high school. Wasn't that? So this not even the same car manufacturer. Is it Pontiac dog? Even close. Yeah. Like I was like this. Fucking looks like shit. But hey, we own, even if you're an idiot. Okay. So what was your other even better than that? Three cars ahead of this. Moron. Call it as it is three cars ahead of this guy is a Mercedes and for sale. Okay deal you say on the back says for sale that has a phone number above the four sale. Sign is an eight by ten picture of the car on the car. That's on the cards for fucking say. Sure, what the car looked like the picture of the car on the car. You can't make that shit up. Even better on the back of the car and the picture was the front of the car. So I guess you're fucking lazy, walk around the front, you can see. You can see. This is genius. You seeing the back and you're seeing the front all at the same time. No, no. Fucking morons. Okay, tag, your. What are you got? All right. So your memory setup our Instagram while back. Right. And you remember how I followed all of the Kardashian accounts, I could find right? Oh, yeah. Because that's all I can see other Instagram now. And Victoria's Secret Victoria's Secret shit some of that's pretty nice. But I recently followed parasol, ten I saw that too. And that's pretty nice as well. So that I was gonna start watching the credits. Every moment when you're not home watching the credits. I am actually hooked as your brain star shrink may bring his chink. It's a really interesting family. It's fine. I. Not. I must be doing more. I've lost all respect for you. You promise. You had respect for me a little bit not much. So that's my what the part for this week. Is that I'm actually hooked onto keeping up with the Kardashians. I'm like season. Four binge-watching it when I'm not around. I'm binge-watching it. You know, it's funny, I know you're binge-watching, and you have the opportunity to watch this week. Once again, you didn't go to fuck it work this week. But this week it wasn't completely my fault. I just couldn't handle it. First world problems. Life is hard fucking coming to work anymore. I probably start like being Monday to you Tuesday. Well, whenever you decide to go back, my, my Bank would like it, if my boss would probably like it, too. But again dysfunctional environment, so it's not not fucking dysfunctional. Try mine. Let's move onto something more than the fact that we're actually drinking bourbon bourbons good. So every time we fuck up, you gotta take a drink. I mean that's important shit. I'm already end of this will be fucking toasted. Okay. So let's explain what the fuck crime is all about. Well each week. Keith is going to research, something usually a crime that he thinks is backed up then just ten minutes before the show. He hands me the show nuts. That means I know nothing about the case in what's worse. I've agreed to do my best to read, whatever he's written for me. Word for word no matter what his goal is to freak me out, and get me to say what the fuck is many times as possible. What you can expect from what the fuck crime won't. People will go missing murders will be committed and general mayhem will be discussed Keith has some weird fascination with what he called the worst crime of all cartoon on cartoon violence at this point. I'm pretty sure you're just teasing us cartoon on cartoon violence out there. Stories on it, but there's so much really good shit up there. I mean today, for example, cannot wait for your e today shit year, input up shed at mode. You have to give me some cartoon on cartoon violence. All right. All right. Some fucking Bossi's back to it. Don't be surprised if that shit shows up sometime from time to time to we're waiting for it. Now. What I do know is all this shit besides cartoons. Which we haven't had yet are real stories. What follows is your one only warning we're here to entertain. If you're looking for us to be serious or get ended by dark comedy. This is not the podcast for you. Basically, we will be inappropriate moist in sassy and says, yes, I hate those words, and you'll either love it or hate it. We do our best not to make fun of the victims or their families. That would just be completely fucked up. But if you the criminal, we hope you very thick skin. All right. Keith enough of the public service announcement where we going this week. Drink fucking. Finding hair. Didn't you miss thinking everybody to? Well, that's what I'm thinking drank fucked up to. All right. So, yes, I do want to go ahead and thank you everybody for the apple ipod reviews. We really appreciate those. So if you haven't already pleased him over to apple ipod, or wherever you listen to us, and give us a five star of you. It really does help us out. But with all that. So this week is going to be our first spree killer really excited. It's really fucked up reading about this whole story was just completely fucking twisted. It was. I can't believe never heard this idiot. Which is even better because I was excited when I was reading it. But before we went to that lets some stupid stories new stories so mine for the week was, of course, just because you're dead doesn't mean you won't get lucky. Yeah. I know. So this is an older story that I found that, again, I can't believe I didn't know this, so back in nineteen seventy six and between them in nineteen ninety two a man in the Hamilton seventy six to ninety six to ninety two and the Hamilton county morgue said that he had sex up to one hundred bodies while he was working there. Oh. No. Apparently he was always higher drunk, while you'd fuck and have to be too. That he would just go top of them, pull his pants down and do business. So every time I joke about you waking can make. Here. Fucking really gross. Now, here's the funniest part the key piece of evidence against him was his wife through report that her husband was coming home from Smith from work spilling like sex alcohol. So she was told whatever the county tiller whatever happens on county property in county time is the county business can do. Well, no, they knew they could be she called them. But. They weren't going to mitt that. Twenty twelve the families of the victims and I love to know how you find out that one finally sued Douglas and the county. And Douglas reportedly having sex with victims their bodies were will advisor waiting autopsy, basically, so on the bright side, they weren't could open yet. Put. Yeah. I'm really? So they settled out at court, but fucking gross and. Yet you have to speak, eventually know how God. How do you find these stories? Start with some really weird searching for shit. And. No, no. Yes. So mine is taking a step back from that. I think that I have found my niche, I am looking at legislation that is fucked up, so I've done Texas in their aspirations. So this time I have realized that it's extra have sex in North Carolina. So says nobody who lives in North Carolina. Apparently actually, this was kind of a fairly serious issue. There is a legal loophole in the line lurks, Carolina, that basically says, once you started a sex act, you cannot stop. You cannot withdraw approval of a sex act. So basically you pulled on your set your pants. I start having sex with you. And then, like you have really bad Jala toes or whatever, and I decide to stop having sex with you. You get to keep on, and I don't get to claim rate. And it's backed up to the worst part of this. Okay. Is the fact that this has been on the books for the last five years since two thousand fifteen they've been trying to get this loophole closed. So quite a penis because you don't worry about those things. No 'cause I don't ever say no. Okay, let's just pretend that there is a center area where you would see. No wouldn't you like the ability to say no at anytime. You lost me scenario, say. Play devil's advocate. Absolutely knows. No time. No is no back that cons only state in every state who is not close as loophole. And it's not on the top of their list of things to do. But you know what I hear when you say you cannot withdraw consent? Okay. All I hear is men are fucked and noth- of the reason you think that's because when they're done, they're done in the woman can now say, no fucker keep on going. So, yes, I want my cake and eat it too, because just because you're done doesn't mean you're done. Exactly. And if I say you're done, you're fucking done. This is fucking bullshit. Standard. Not a double standard just because you finish early. Does it mean your time North Carolina? North Carolina realization is that there's still a state in the United States, that said, does not have it in their books that a woman can say no or man can say, no at anytime, and that's fucked up. So if you're if you're partying North Carolina for one I stand at least had across the border to south. Yes, definitely I think that if you're female and your parting North Carolina, you should go south so you can still change your mind. That's the only time I've ever said I should go. But hey whatever. All right. So yes, serious. But something that I wanted to draw attention to song. So glad you decide to be serious touring her podcast. All right. Very important. Hey, search for fucked up shit. And what comes up is booked up shit political up, but not. No, not politics. No, you. All right. All right. All right. So let's move on. So let's go into our main story. So we're going to raise look into a spree killer. Sure it's good. It's really good and scared. All right. Let's cross across the Calvin this that's pretty good. Oh man. All right. So let's cross the California where you can worship at the house mouse, anytime you want the house, and now does fucking Star Wars move in. In. Definitely so we're going turn back time. Call it to January nineteen seventy eight. So I'm not even born yet. No, you were. But you weren't itching daddy's pants for her because you were born in seventy nine and he was getting busy. I hope my mom doesn't listen to this, if she does data listen to it, too. Phone call. Back in news in January nineteen seventy eight all right. So since I was three and you weren't even barely an edge of news, editor, Donald woods arrives in London after scaping, South Africa. Okay. Okay. The Sex Pistols, break-up, I should know who the Sex Pistols, or by don't interesting enough. I've heard why do I think of prints? I don't know. I think prince. Purple rain. I wonder if that's right. Coming the first postage stamps. Copyrighted. But. Harvey milk becomes the first openly gay person elected to public office in California, California. Good for them NASA selects its first women, astronauts, go, NASA. Ted Bundy kills floors day. You coeds Lisa Levy, and Margaret Bowman. He's kind of a dick and not. Important news. Really, good news interest. The last Volkswagen beetle maiden Germany leaves the VW plant now. That's sad. Yeah. Until they started making it again, what two thousand seven are they still made in Germany now? No not. That's. That was a stupid question, I guess pretty much. So what's been moon cycle, which was really interesting so spree color, killer, we had multiple people killed so we have three sets of killings for spree killer. Yes, the first killing happens four days after a foment, the second killing happens on a full moon and the last killing four people haven't for days after foam forties, after foam, four days after yet, I'm still in my gods. So far, we've only like one story that hasn't been on a full moon, but she was a crazy brides little bit. So she doesn't count, right? Okay. He was looking psycho. I drink drink. All right. So movies for January nineteen seventy eight which was fucking horrible to look up an unmarried woman by with Jill clayborn, or cleaning cleaver, look at these little tiny numbers. Tweeting more million dollars. No. Castles, which I've actually seen the remake Lynn Holly Johnson for eighteen mill house calls, Walter Matthau, which would be I know who is the. Wasn't even show. The old guys Nobis shows. Oh, yes. Okay. I mill coming home by Jane Fonda for three two point six mil and beyond and backed by Brad Crandall for twenty three point eight million dollars, which, you know, if you make movie nowadays, if it doesn't make nothing make twenty million dollars. You get shot. No, Joe fund you and kills him. Okay. All right. So you're up next for the New York Times Booker work this I'm similar really by JR token. Yes. Middle Earth in hobbit days, just willing to talk with one of the ain't gonna lose people because they probably didn't pronounce that right cow. Talking was writing books and seventy eight. Getting fucking hate mail. That's so cool. The thornbirds by calling McCullough saw TV show, straying family saga allusions by Richard buck, missile brainstorms, barnstorm messiah barnstorm, middle America. Good descriptions of back in the seventies, honorable schoolboy espionage. In Hong Kong, I can handle espionage, Hong Kong Daniel Martin by John. Oh, sorry, honorable schoolboy by John Lee car espionage, in heart, Hong Kong. Daniel Marin by John Fowles English screenwriter reviews, his life, fiction or book, reviews a book of Merlin by Terence, h white missing book of once in future. King. Beggar man thief by Erwin Shah. The next generation of Jordan ashes takes over. Lack marble by Joseph window cops in dog Napper's dog Napper's in southern California. So apparently back in the seventies kidnapping was not a thing. It was a dog that was really fucked up thing. Yeah. All right. Dynasty, a saga Eurasian family in Hong Kong over three generations, wasn't that a TV show here, dinosaur TV show, this completely separate things. Okay. That was set in Hong Kong, the immigrants by Howard, fast ambition in love in the Ternate, century, San Francisco. God, I'm so glad I didn't read books, you know, what's amazing was that these books, the most expensive one cost twelve dollars. Wow. Not J are tokens book. I wonder how much of that book cost now per se. Amount of money. Ten dollars and ninety five cents per token book. It's been in reprint for thirty years. I'm pretty sure you can get cheap. Well, when I buy, you know, football read it. That's right. So we got using videos for nineteen seventy eight. So remind everybody, we watched three seconds of the music video before we go on live or whatever's available. And this was the most painful thing that ever had the fucking do music from the seventies. So I might void the seventies at all costs from now on. Aw, the crime in the seventies was probably good. So crime always is good. But if the music is that bad that I can't really even watch it get over. But they ask do drink for. The cat ignore him because. So top ten charts for nineteen for January nineteen seventy eight. Grohl school by wings, and they think songs nowadays are provocative. I want to get through my notes because I have like a whole paragraph two notes on the these songs. So it started with I'm not sure what this is about, then what the fuck. And they call the music. I listen to explicit amend what the fuck again. This was that. This one sex in school by teachers, nurses watching porn in school. And they say what I listen to his explicit. Yeah. This is bad. All right. Number two, floral dance by brick house and the restaurants brass band, which was basically British where dancing, what I could tell my don't say. Okay. No. Yeah. How deep is your love by the BG's. They with a music video for this. And you sing along to I plead the fifth. No, it's not my fault that was brought up in the early eighties. So in my household, listen to shit and stuck in my head to not hold me responsible for that Eason's to hate your parents know ship. What's new one? All right, number four. Love's unkind by Donna summer's which was the same melody as the song from adventures in babysitting. I'll maintenance as whereas my alcohol, so I like the Miltie. But now adventures babysitting which was really cool moving, again, whereas alcohol. All right, I will number five I will by route was ruby winters. Yeah. Yeah. I'd made notes night, those memorable at mine is say, oh got depressing. It's a heartache by Bonnie Tyler, I realized she was young. It was kinda cool say, we're only halfway through this list. Number seven is daddy's cool by the darts of for love of fucking God, thank can't start drinking this early. Number eight. Don't it make my Brown eyes? Blue by crystal. Gayle case is okay. I this I know my only thought was to mainly enough. The first one was fuck she's hot and my second thought was, I wonder if she playboy. He was pretty hot. Number nine dance dance dance by Schick, a killing out disco might say Passi illicit drugs, please God. Number ten what the fuck was number ten by the way it just fucking. I'm drinking. Ferryman by Janice? Markelle Pulis Publicis. I came fucking pronounce that say fuck it. I'm drinking. I'm John fucking terrible. So yes music in the seventies unless you were high, apparently or you wanted to listen to wings and have sex in school sought Ari. Right. So nineteen seventy TV shows that started Dallas ran for thirteen years now. W k r p Cincinnati ever seen it ran for four years. I think I have. Taxi ran for five years have seen it a rising. If you haven't seen taxi you're like weird indicate different strokes. Eight years. Okay. Here we go battle star. Galactica. One year. Four because it was in syndication flake, you know, twenty five years and every made it and in my opinion, the remake who's good, but not as good as original. I'm sorry. I'm speechless again in being speeches on the podcast. No, no. It was moving on working Mindy for years. Blake seven yes. Bruce Sifi at its finest. I have no clue what this is. So Blake seven is about. I think it's five or six criminals who escape they steal spaceships. I think a firefly on hand five or six criminals in its Blake's seven Blake zone. Yes. Five or six criminals who escaped they steal spaceship. Spaceship, has a on board computer called oral shouldn't it be seven criminals. Now's Blake's fuck. It may was seven fuck. I don't know. Right now. And from looking to somebody found out the are remaking the show, which is really fucking cool. Right. So you show be that they're remaking the show with some people in my first note, says someone shoot me. My second says, okay. Some of these people are good looking. There are some look people, okay? So nineteen seventy eight TV show ranking are you frigging kidding me number one living in surely, which I am proud to say, I have never fucking same. I've seen it. Number two three's company also Protestant. The senate. You are your European is showing because there were reruns for times. This was only shit, you could see. So you know what the fact that you are not American is showing through right now. Number three Morgan Mindy. Okay. Good. Never four. Happy days. Of course, there's all that number five Angie. No fucking clue. What that is number six sixty minutes, that's going on still going on think, isn't right? Timber seven mash who hasn't see met which we've watched it. But if we all use a false lead to sometimes yes, number eight the Roper no fucking clue that for some reason that sounds familiar, number nine on the family that resent number ten is taxi. It was a good show and that was the first year it was on to the top ten actually was a good show. Very good, actually. It was fun. All right. So all right. So here we go. Let's talk a spree killer, Richard Trenton chase the vampire of Sacramento. I did a search for vampire, do we get to opt out of any of these stories. You gotta read it if I wrote it. All right. Everybody buckle. We're to start with this guy over one month over a one month period, starting in late December nineteen seventy seven and ending in late January nineteen seventy eight. One year to one one one year was over a month when month December to January one be one month. I've gone through my jank one person in one month. Like two fingers right now at your should be good. I see for. All right. Chase murdered six people. He was caught in early February nineteen seventy eight in only then did the real picture of who Richard Trenton. Chase was was started to take shape only men did he finally get dubbed the vampire of Sacramento. There's really only one place to start this story. And that is at the beginning. Richard was born may twenty third nineteen fifty. He was raised in a strict household with his sister, mother and father now surprise, surprise. His home life was filled with turmoil. His father and mother constantly fought when his father was not fighting with his mother. He seemed to enjoy repeating Richard healthy. Yeah. As we all know child raising this type. Environment is already at risk for behavior modeling and is guaranteed to have mental and emotional issues that will surface once in have to be resolved later in life. This is not to say that all people who grew up in this type of environment will turn into spree killers or continue the cycle, and abuser children, quite the opposite is true. The majority people persevere through this and become great parents and members of society. But unfortunately, there's a small percentage. It's like completely in the wrong direction. This is certainly the case where Richard Trenton chase is concerned. You're being so politically correct not nice. It's like polite and hopeful in the will long Pesident of. All right. So by nineteen sixty when Richard was ten his predilections were starting to take shape. By ten. He had started to catch kill or mutilate animals. He would find her his neighborhood, this behavior never stopped in his teen years, richer, began to drink and became an alcoholic and extended his behavior by adding fire starting to as ever growing list of murder. Qualifications hoyt. So isn't there like a trifecta thing it was like holy fucking trinity of gift guarantees? You're gonna be really fucked up in adulthood versus wedding, your bed, getting beaten the shit out by father, usually does that the second has mutilating animals, right? And then the third one lucky me or this guy is fire starter. So yet he gets the trifecta. Does he really to add insult to injury in high school? Richard was now dating and attempting to become sexually active numerous girlfriends reported that they hit attempted has sex with Richard, but Richard was unable to maintain erection. How do you get into that interview? Man. Do you know this man? Yes. Vide- couldn't maintain. Indirection really. I doubt it went he would couldn't maintain correction in pro interaction, it was probably kind of droopy us to feet and get it up. All right. So the realization that he couldn't maintain interaction disturbed, Richard and his parent. So how the fuck you have a conversation with your parents? Hey mom, I can't get it up. And his parents as it somewhere that this bothered him and his parents. Yes. I don't want my parents involved in my sex life. No. But if you can't get it up suppose the first person run to his your mother, no, definitely no. I don't go to my mom about sex, so Winstone high school. Richard went to see a psychiatrist of told the root of problems was either repressed, rage or mental illness. Chase did not seek any further treatment after this diagnosis match later. It'd be determined that chase had in version two conventional sex and could only achieve arousal orgasm through violent or disturbed acts such as killing animals and Necker. Billy. I look at it this way, he really could only get a witty from woodland creatures. You and necrophilia. This is your second necrophilia story goes normal, woodland creatures. It's woodland creatures of the dead persuasion. Yes. Apparently like a more to tell us like hijras to be like. Yeah. And I like having sex with dead woodland creatures. This is not new. That I might be the first question. I'm going to ask is what kind of Quakers? I mean, we're talking rabbits here or squirrelled is in matter. We'll all not head Chuck's. Porcupines skunks. Doing imagining agai behind skunk lifting tail. It's not a good image. All right. So in nineteen sixty eight graduated high school were most of his grades were that seized dis NS, definitely not in this house yet. So he was totally underachiever copy of it so fast forward to nineteen seventy one Richard admitting community college for almost two years in was consistently over changing for him at least by maintaining a solid C winning student in February nineteen seventy one Richard Renton apartment with some friends. Okay wine. I got an entire book here usually have a few pages. This is like book, this was really interesting. And now we're on his friends part, who the fuck wants to be friends with him because he can only get it up with woodland creatures who were dead or he was good, providing meals, the why what, what me like dead within creatures when you're gonna stake on state going on. Are you jumping ahead? The I it is a party he boarded up all the closets room doors. He was also heavily into recreationally use of married of the Mary, Jane marijuana for those hip to the lingo, such a geek your all maybe read. As to be expected. It didn't take long for his roommates to realize this was a few crayons short of a full bucks yet. So I mean think about at what point when you wake up that next morning, you find your bedroom doors or board up with carport you go. Hey do get the fuck out. He boarded up the doors while his yes, all the windows in his house and smoke pot. All time wireless, friends were in the room. Those are not friends. I assume the doors you're sleeping now. She's all right. So may seventy one his roommates asked him to move at shit. When he refused. They said fuck the shit him ran for their lives. Leaving Richard alone in an apartment he could not afford. So he does what I'm sure it was bound to improve his mental health. And he moved back in with his bare shit goes bad move back. People would be crap out of you. I and wouldn't, you know, it may have nineteen seventy seventy-two his parents have paraded, no doubt this was due to a combination of crappy marriage mixed with a fucked in the head son. Living. Now. Richard is the child of a broken home. Oh, it's heartbreaking case now, spending his time between his mother's. Father's house. How old is he? So you figure he was probably about nineteen point, maybe twenty. And he's bouncing between houses because nobody can stand him fulltime Dr. At home. She's twenty the judge, and I sent her Astor grandparents houses weekend. In November of seventy two likely baked out of his fucking mine. Richard decides to find himself and goes on a solitary trip to Utah. Go, you go find yourself Utah's obviously the place to go. I got to Los Angeles find yourself. Yes. Fucking New York. Now, I wanna find myself shopping. Credit card before you go. Okay so returning from his vision quest Richard attends a party at a friend's apartment. How does this guy friends using the word friends, again, all articles kept seeing friends, and all I kept doing reading the ship was going fuck is friend. All right. So at that party Richard tries to fill up random, girl, as you do seize asked to leave any does leave, come on. There's a party happening any wants to play. So even though he was asked to leave. He comes back and his friends do the first thing I consider fucking rational and call the cops the cops arrived at scored in from the party, oops a twenty two caliber gun falls out of his pocket. And he's arrested for possession puts a gun in their pocket more than the gun. Unfortunately, it's more than shoot himself in the process, so I don't understand why this happened. But this further his father bailed him at a jail and charges are dropped. We're so close to keep his fucker in jail and his. Ahead. Bales about so close yet. In may nineteen seventy three he moves to LA the mecca sanity and normal to live with his grandmother. This is only lasted a few months as she was apparently the only rational, one in his family. So after a few months of nonstop complaining of how non-existent head injuries. She kicks his ass to the curb, now, Richard was so convincing these head injuries were real that he went to a number of doctors until he finally was referred to neurologist who diagnosed Richard with psychiatric disturbance of major version. I think that's neurologist speak for bat shit crazy in December nineteen seventy three he went to the hospital in Sacramento until the doctors, nurses, someone had stolen his pulmonary artery. And his blood flow is stopped. Way, he went he went to the doctors and said his party stop year. I mean, obviously, don't heart debris or talk or do anything. But he's standing in front of doctors going my pulmonary artery. No longer works. Yeah. What the fuck is he on it wants them? Hey, so rightfully they admitted deci can't trick word but his mom comes in checks him out, yet, most understanding fucking parents or they're insane mush. Sure. Which, but either way what the fuck. All right. So in nineteen seventy five just three years before he murdered Richard was, involuntarily, committed to a mental mental institution after being taken to a hospital for blood poisoning. A how did he contract blood poisoning? You might ask, well, he got blood poisoning from injecting rabbit lead into his veins. So I answered that question, apparently he is favourite animals rabbit. Furry would creek woodland creatures as right, you can get it up for woodland creatures too. So you like Bambi porn for him. Live. Obama's mother dad might have been. All right. So this is when we learn why he needs blood during his institutional. Stay Richard escapes in the hospital and tried to return to his mother's house. Thankfully use apprehended instead to institution for the criminally insane where he often shared with the staff fantasies about killing rabbits, back the rabbits during tree when it comes out the blood of others was the only way to prevent in. During his blood into powder via poison the hip planted beneath his soapdish. You're gonna get it from somewhere. Well beneath your soapdish, which means he probably wasn't sharing either. Also during this day he was found with blood smeared around his mouth hospital staff discovered the captured two birds the bars of his bedroom windows snap their necks and sucked bled out is earned the nickname of Dracula among the staff at the facility. No, no. After undergoing a battery of treatments involving Heike trope drugs. Now signed me up for that shit, and I'm kissing shocker to a lot of that chases deemed no longer a danger to society. What? So give me some acid shock me a few times, and you're good to go out here in nineteen seventy six he was released under the supervision of his. 'cause they're the best guardians in the world. Daddy to the rescue, again. Because we all know the blessed place to improve and get wells, but returning to the same shish so you came from mental health in the seventies seriously at the fuck, and suck said to me is Yasser. All right. Richard moves back in with his mother during this time. He this bullet points here. I wanna keep going states eve is reincarnated as one of the younger brothers Bank, robbers that associated with Jesse James hospitalized at Beverly manner committed schizophrenic suffering from semantic delusions. What is semitic? Well, it's disorders relating to the body, especially as distinct from the mind, basically body issues that are causing mental issues as opposed to the other way around. So he really did have problems with his health. But that's what you're saying. Okay. Yeah. So he gets into an argument. His mother slaps in knocks her to the floor argument centered around him accusing mother of attempting to murder him with poison. So now she's the Nazi. Most mothers are. We're gonna leave that there and respond his father does every rational loving father would do he buys his Senate apartment so he can live by himself. Oh and not only does bother by an apartment, they pay his bills. And by him food. One, I wish I had his parents and two. I'm kind of curious what kind of food that they buy him? I mean he has particular tastes. So we today, get him some fresh animals pets how they got in fucking groceries stakes. ABC. Hopefully they fucking groceries hope. All right. So at is permanent. He learns the finer of home cuisine because they got him groceries apartment, you go. Do something started killing animals. Dogs cats rabbits, birds h-, you know, the stables of pantry I would just like to repeat that I read with the fuck. He starts out small blending the entrails into smooth. Gonorrhea smoothies before he graduates puppy stakes in king of I like animals like puppies, we like kittens. Yeah, it's kinda gross. You can love your pets, just don't let your Pat. I don't think he loved pets. He liked the pace of pets. I still got pages to go so him living by himself as between nineteen seventy five and nineteen seventy seven. Thank god. I'm still not born in January seventy seven Richard decides he needs a vacation as mother helps him plan a trip to Washington. Oh. And she gives him one thousand four hundred fifty dollars for his holiday, those parents. Do I don't know? 'cause he so he still has not held a job though. No job, and no perils, currently are really good will off, while they're under standing August seventy seven he's arrested in Nevada in Felici his Ford wagon on the side of the road when they investigate it. They find a twenty two caliber gun again, a thirty thirty rifled and I repeat the next thirty three rival. Okay. And final containing what looked like blood in organs. He's found not far away from the car, sitting naked on a hilltop, his body smeared with blood, which turns out to be cow blood. Even though he was arrested US, turning did not want to prosecute. He's released so how many fucking times this guy gotten off with not getting arrested? He's been arrested twice now and in San Anton sound twice right? Yes, they don't. They don't want this guy. Nobody wants. No shifts I over seventy seven Richards having a hard time catching his food. So he starts the by dogs for the local shelter to grocery store. You can't groceries. He also deals dogs from people's yards, and even calls the owner to tell them what he's done to the animals as a special kind of fucking evil. Oh, one day paid his mother, who he paid his mother. Visit. She heard a loud, noise and open the door to see your son holding a dead cat. He threw the animal to the granted toward open smearing. The blood all orig- face and neck. His mother. His mother calmly closed the door in his face, and never reported the incident. Well, wait. She never reported the incident. You know anybody comes to your door dead cat us. Look at them and go fish shit close to walk back in may. She made it in the middle of watching more committee, seem never reported the. Well, these parents yet winners. This brings us up to date, and we're entering into December seventy seven on December twenty ninth seventy seven he dips, his toes into the world of human murder, and does drive by shooting. He shoots and kills Ambrose Griffin fifty one in drives off the cat. Two weeks later. He's attempted to enter home of woman. But because her doors were locked he walked away. He later tells detectives that he took locked doors as a sign that he was not welcome, but unlock doors were invitation to come inside. So I know when people start locking their doors in the US. Statement was made. He was once cuts and chased off by a couple returning home as he pilfered their belongings. He also urinated in defecated in their infant child bed folding. But I mentioned the few Creole short of a whole box. Great January twenty third nineteen seventy eight chase broke into a house and shot Teresa Wallin. Oh, three months pregnant the time three times then he has said. Gold speeches featureless. Okay. Hang on. Then he had sexual intercourse intercourse with her corpse will stabbing her with a butcher knife. The neighbour moved multiple organs cut off, one of nipples, drank our blood. He stuff dog feces from Wallin's yard, Danner broke before leaving few crayon short. I need a drink. Hang on. This story is making these over. Can't have that, especially the Charleston here tonight you definitely give me a rebel. What he does next even makes my stomach your civics. Just now turning in this part of the story. I've been reading these stories for months, and months and months. So it's taking a little bit. My tolerance has gone up quite a bit. So, but this one got me close died on January twenty seventh Richard commits his final murders tank cod. I don't mean thank God. He heard somebody. I mean, thank God we're almost done, which qualifies is a mass murder. He enters the home of thirty eight year old Evelyn Marathe, who is babysitting or twenty two month old nephew. David also in the HAMAs. Evelyn six-year-old son, Dan, j Jason and Dan Meredith. A neighbor who came over to check on Evelyn Evelyn's in the bath, while Dan watch the children. Can I get a neighbor like that? But comes while you're in a bathtub comes in and watches the child, while I'm in the bathtub, you'll let anybody in the house while you're doing anything. Well abor in the house while you're taking a bath. Now, I don't know. All right. So Richard finding the front door unlocked own new. Welcome. Thanks, right. And hearing, Dan hearing. Goes in the front. Hallway is shot in the head point blank, rigid searches Dan's body for a wallet and car keys. Jason random his mother's bedroom where Richard finally shoots him twice in the head point blank range, on the way to killing Jason Richard also shoots David in the head pros. Good shot. Okay. So Richard enters the bathroom in fatally shoots Evelyn once in the head, this all seems really normal for a guy who's done all these horrible things, so killing four people's normal your thing. Now, I'd like to take all of. Normal, this killing people generally off of those of that we have to admit that we do these kind of podcast because these kind of things are like something that we're into. So like when you're thinking of into killing anybody into reading of people killing people, the k we know that Manson. We know about zodiac like just walking into a house and shooting for people. I would've expected him to like buying and strangle and all of that. And he's just shooting people. He likes them dead. Keep reading about. All right. So. Shoots David and the head you eat through the bathroom. Fatally shoots. Aveline wants the head drags her corpse into the bed. Oh, no. Where he simultaneously sodomized it and drink blood from a series of slices to the back of the neck. What is this guy saying, Donal, okay? Take it. Okay. So when he's finished sodomized, Ari stabs, or at least a half a dozen times who counts that the coroner usually I don't want their job account. The stab wounds to. Richard, then went to retrieve David's corpse. He took it to the bathrooms blitz skull open in the bathtub and consumed some of the brain matter like the bed. Outside. No, no outside of six year old girl who Jason Mirra had played date knocked on the door startling Richard. Okay. He flees the home, stealing Dan Merida's car. This little girl alerts neighbor. The neighbor breaks into the mirror home where he discovers the bodies poor neighbor in context, the thirties upon entering the home police discovered that Richard left perfect ham, prince and perfect imprinted the soles of his shoes in Evelyn's, blood, will they finally put this guy away for beckon. Good, please. Not as parents get involved. Timmy, might need to put them away to virtually meanwhile, to David's corpse home with him and meet wait, he escaped with a corpse the took somebody with him to twenty two month old baby. Oh, no. And mutilates eats part of the body before finally disposing the corpse in a nearby church. Okay. Angels on a podcast, by the way is not the best I understand. But you can't find stories. Okay. So after the wall in murder FBI agents rest for pickle and Robert Ressler, we're called into investigate. They compiled a profile of the killer. They determined that killer would be tall. Mount everest. He's eaten fine. Say on sake. He's a loner. No, he has friends. Physically unclean. We'll he scared of. So most importantly, he would continue to kill five days after the mass murder after hearing FBI profile, Nancy Holden in old high school friend of Richard's, contacted the police saying she believed Richard, chase could be the killer, again friend. I mean someone in high school knew he was shit crazy. The police ran a background check on chase where they came across his registration of a twenty two caliber semi. Attic that automated pistol. Detectives in a team of police went to chase his apartment where they asked to speak with him chase refused. The detectives in police hid debt, a hallway waited for chase delete arresting him when he left the apartment carrying a blood stained box his parka in shoes were likewise, bloodstain. So he's basically clever in blood and carrying pretty much. All right inside, where pieces of shredded blood-soaked wallpaper. And the bloodstain twenty two with which he committed the murders. Chase claims that the buddy wallpaper in bloody gun were resulted killing several dogs, 'cause that's okay who much better. I wasn't killing people always, clubbing baby seals. I mean, that's okay. So much better to win. The police performed a search chases person. They found that he was carrying din. Meredith's wallet. Okay. Oops. Detectors, along with brezler invo political, which the FBI profiler 's performed a search chases apartment. They found the walls floor ceiling refrigerator in all chases eating, and drinking utensils soaked, in blood on the counter was the blender chase used to make his smoothies. It was caked in coagulated blood. And the rotting at her oven hang on. You thought. And the rotting matter of internal organs. Cannot throw up on a podcast either. Oh, no insight. The refrigerator placement. Several animal body parts raft in aluminum foil, div. It's brains in Tupperware container in pieces of his body wrapped in Saran wrap. He couldn't decide which storage method. Use them foil Saran wrap Tupperware deep run out optimist so several Evelyn Marathe and Theresa Wallin's internal organs on another counter where several pet collars, a whole safari, people's brains and Oregon's pet colored collars, you go. Oh, no. I like animals. I don't like people. I'm just gonna admit that with fine. If somebody's killing your pets. I really care but I don't like people. Kitchen table. He's spread on numerous diagrams depicting various aspects of human biology. In nineteen seventy nine the year was born chased a trial on six counts of murder in order to avoid the death penalty. His defence try head tried to have chase found guilty of second degree murder. Are you freaking kidding me which result result in the life sentence? Their case hinged on Chase's history of mental illness, and a lack of planning in his crimes evidence that they were not premeditated a mate, eight the jury found chase guilty of six counts of first degree murder, the defense asked for clemency hearing, which the judge determined. Chase was not legally saints, no shit Sherlock. Basically saying he's not insane. Not the knees in saying, oh, I didn't even read that right determined that. He's not ending yet. So what proof you fucking need? Someone's insane versus not insane. If the judge went now he's fine. He knows exactly doing. This is in California, right? This is California. In California, I am completely saying. All right. So chases sentenced to die again. She was the point. Oh because they said he wasn't insane. The best. Big asked people in California they used to. Oh, that's why I thought they just did that in Texas. No, California used to be progressive. So, wanting to die chase became beat waiting today. Chase became feared presence in prison. Yes, think other inmates, including several gang members, and we know the gangs of California ain't nothing to play around with aware of his graphic is our nature of his crimes. Feared him in a Cording to prison officials. They often tried to convince chase to commit suicide to fearful to get close enough to him to kill them in so. Chase. Also granted a series of interviews with Robert Ressler. Okay. During which he spoke of his fears Nazis in UFO's claiming that although he killed it was not his fault. He had been given he had been forced to kill himself alive, which he believed any person would do. He asked Ressler to give him access to a radar gun with which he could apprehend the Nazi UFO's that the Nazis could stand trial for the murders he committed and he's not in saying he's normal. He also handed wrestler, a large amount of Magara bean. No hungry. We been hoarding and his pants pockets believe him. The prison prison officials were in league within the huskies attempt. Of macaroni and cheese. If it was bad macaroni and cheese, unless dog makes us not gonna kill you. So on December twenty six nineteen eighty a guard doing cell checks found chase lying awkwardly on his bed, not breathing. In terms autopsy determined that chase committed suicide with an overdose of prison doctor prescribed anti-depressants in the he'd been saving up for the last few weeks, hollow Lou yet. What these debtor stories over. Oh my God. Spree killer it was fun for you. I just about Hugh. So this guy like the entire time. Everybody says he's perfectly saying everything's fine with him and really. All right. So that wraps up everything we have for what the fuck today. I wanna thank everyone for listening in winning courage to share with your family, and friends. Please tell someone you like tech tell someone. You don't like just don't tell my mother. We would also appreciate it. 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What A Piece Of Work Is The Post Office

The Indicator from Planet Money

09:54 min | 5 months ago

What A Piece Of Work Is The Post Office

"N. P. R. If there has been a lot of drama around the post office lately I, know it's like a political firestorm. Is You could almost see it. Shakespearean Okay Cardiff people might not know this, but you are this huge Shakespeare off. Right you're always quoting. Shakespeare. You Know Shakespeare really well, today I thought we do a Shakespearean show about the post office. Also I thought we could we in a little quiz to test your knowledge of the post office or Shakespeare of Frightening. Oh. No. I question yes. How many acts in a Shakespeare play five Ding Ding Ding things This is the indicator from planet money. I'm Stacey Vanik Smith and I'm Cardiff Garcia and I have no idea what's about to happen. Well, I'm going to tell you today on the show the post office in five acts. Also I test Cardiff's knowledge ten questions including some slightly modified Shakespeare quotes. And Right. After the break something postal this way comes hey, the players. yes. Do What is Hamlet some no I mean no. Something wicked this way comes to stop from Macbeth is. It is MC back off to a terrible start. This message comes from NPR sponsor Microsoft. The world has changed and Microsoft teams is there to help us stay connected teams is the safe and secure way to chat, meet call and collaborate to learn more visit Microsoft Dot com slash teams support also comes from fundraise. fundraise makes it easy for anyone to invest in high-quality real estate by building you a portfolio with their more than one billion dollars in assets get started at fundraise dot com slash indicator to have your first ninety days of advisory fees waived, Post. Office drama. Act One. What a piece of work is post office. Do you know that line? Is that from Hamlet? Yes that is. Good. Okay. After a good start. The Post Office is a really big deal in our country and can seem a little strange I mean I cannot remember actually the last time that I went to the post office. Yeah. Me Neither I just drop off my mail and the in one of those little boxes, the post office though it is actually written into the US Constitution says essential I think as electricity this is David Wessel. He's an economist at the Brookings Institution new really think it's as essential as electricity. I think it is yes why is that? because. The Postal Service is the one. Delivery Service that has obligated to serve a community the into some rural Rhode. So the post office has this mandate called the universal service obligation, which means it has to deliver mail and packages to everyone everywhere Fedex ups. They don't go a lot of places because it is not profitable, and that is why David Post Office is so important it connects everyone together Shakespeare by the way Cardiff very much understood the importance of the male. In fact, there's very famous moment in a very famous shakespeare play when a letter gets delivered late and has very tragic consequences it's the end of Romeo and Juliet. Very good. Very good. Giving you a star for question number four. All Right Act to frailty they name is pension obligations. That's definitely from hamlet referring to affiliate I believe yes. Frailty they name is woman I kinda like this version better. So the drama with the Post Office, all of this drama Wessel says, goes back to the early nineteen seventies. That was the moment when the post office went from just being a government entity to a business like kind of business congress decided that it should become a kind of strange quasi governmental corporation post office went from a government entity provided a public service to a public service that was. Supposed to operate like a business. So the post office has all these restrictions. For instance, it cannot charge just like whatever it wants for stamps. It also has that mandate to get packages to everywhere also when the post office was sort of semi privatize, there was this remnant leftover from the government cheese the postal worker pensions it's it's a lot of things the post office trying to contend with. At the same time, email happened online documents happened and the post offices prophets were just kind of destroyed. The post office has lost money every year since two thousand seven and it expects to continue to lose money for the next decade. So for years post masters have been trying to cut costs by reducing overtime closing post offices, getting rid of mailboxes, and just trying to find any way to make the business model work so far it's not working. Act Three climax of our play card. If the stuff that news is made of these are the things that dreams are made on. Yes, the stuff that dreams are made us that from the tempest. Yes tempest. Correct. because of covid nineteen and social distancing a lot of states combine relying on mail in ballots for the presidential election, and that would, of course, flood the post office with the most important kind of mail and postal service kind of freaked out about this and sent letters to states saying you know there might be mailed delays and some ballots might not make it by the deadline. and. Then a reporter asked President Donald Trump about it. If we don't make a deal that means you don't get the money that means they can't have universal mail in voting. Just can't have it. Crazy. So suddenly everyone is obsessed with the post offices business. Musicians of the trump administration is sabotaging the election through the post office, and then you know people start buying t shirts and stamps and all these products from the post office as a way to like support democracy it. It is quite shakespeare. It is experience. So you'll president trump has long complained about the money losing business model of the Post. Office and. Also, it's business relationship with Amazon. Trump has said many times that he thinks that Amazon should pay more for its use of the post office and getting it's good sort of all over to places like Real Wyoming of trump. It is worth noting president trump is not a big fan of Amazon CEO Jeff bezos. So that could be in the mix. Yeah. Definitely. I mean that's that's an understatement and you know the post office just kind of sitting there with all its like crazy business model like at to Mr President at through brute from Julius Caesar. Yes. At the moment of. Sure when Brutus Stabs Caesar now we're getting married that I like. Act, for the winter of the postal services discontent Richard, the third this is the winner of our discontent. Yes. Okay. What's the best case in the worst case scenario for the post office? The worst case scenario is that the post offices loses the confidence of the American people. They think it's become a arm political arm of Donald Trump. And the business evaporates even more quickly than is projected. This Cardiff would be pretty tragic outcome like people unable to get their medication rural communities cut off a presidential election thrown into question. It is not a good picture talk about steering towards a tragedy. The best case scenario of course, you know Shakespeare Oh comedies to. David says you know now that everyone's attention is on the post office sort of the business predicament it's in maybe there will finally be the will to try some things out. Now everybody cares about the postal service which just sort of like a crowd sourcing situation right yeah, act five obe rave new post office. Brave new post office given the whole quote there. Oh brave new world that has such people in it. God preview world has, is it twelfth? Night? No it is the tempest. That's the tempest. Are we going get to the history plays. I cannot say, okay do you think there's going to be a post office in like? Twenty years. Do. You think we I don't think it's viable business in spite of everything. No, I didn't say I think it's a viable business I think. That valuable public service that we will find a way to preserve. Even if it doesn't work as a business and for the record if David, thinks that all of this sound and fury. That's definitely Macbeth Macbeth. Speech that the sound and fury will mean a lot of scrutiny and everybody paying attention and that the chances of tampering with the mail or mail in ballots will actually be pretty minimal as a result. Not, just signifying nothing. Actually signifying quite a lot signifying quite a lot but until then you know unto the breach. Henry the fifth. History play. Thank you. Thank you. Okay so let's see I. Think I threw an extra one in there for you. So out of eleven questions, I, think you got. Nine Correct. Tough game, but that was fine. We should keep. Is Episode of the indicator was produced by nick found fact check by Britney Cronin the indicators edited by Pani. Hirsch. is a production of NPR.

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414: Amir on NADDPod

If I Were You

1:47:05 hr | 1 year ago

414: Amir on NADDPod

"This is a head gum podcast. Welcome to a special a little different not entirely all new episode load of if I were you. That's right. It's very special because it's not even an episode of if I were you. Yeah it's it's the Christmas week. We didn't WanNA take a full. Aw Week off that. We don't WanNA shortchange anybody. We don't want to do dirty late that we thought it would be good little special bonus episode for people that haven't listened. Listen to it yet. Is Me appearing on your dungeons and dragons podcasts. So if you've been thinking about checking out the podcast but you haven't gotten around to yet we're about to make life very easy you don't even have to go into a new feed. It's happening right here in this one. That's right and this is kind of like a spin. What do you call it like a noncanonical? So you don't don't have to listen to all one hundred episodes. This one is sort of a standalone. Yeah this one is. It's got some inside jokes of course but it is not. It's its own own contained little bottle episode right and it's it's almost two hours of me and then it's Jake Murph Emily in Caldwell Playing D. and D. which I had never it under you're improvising in dungeons and dragons for the very first time and as far as I know your fans Nad pot fans loved it. Yes they did like it. Ah You're you're I can't I don't want to say anything for your spoiling but I think everyone everyone should listen because Amir really held up his end of the bargain by appearing on this show and delivering what everybody everybody I think out there hoped all along All right cool so. This is my episode of Nad pod. And if you are just jonesing feeding firm if more if I were you. There's always are patriotic. There's twenty five video episodes of it. borrow five dollars from somebody maybe call it a Christmas gift. You can be through as many as possible very true this very true so without without further. Ado Happy Holidays. Merry Christmas happy Hanukkah and Kwanzaa and enjoy. What does it even call do you? Yes yes I do. It is frost winds mandatory celebration of maximum luminosity. A Sambre Festival holiday special felt wow and you just memorize that title yes great. Have you seen the art for your character. No Yeah I send entity on instagram. But you gotTA check it out so eight check out the video or check out the episode. Then check out the art and We'll be back with a regular episode of if I were you next week. December thirtieth thirty guys welcome to the campaign after the campaign. This is not another De podcast. Welcome back to the home. Yeah Everyone Dungy Master. Brian Murphy joined by Jake Hurwitz. It's hard one. Shore Foot amalie expert looking at a mirror. I if he said hard one and I not Good I grew I was looking for the disapproval. GonNa do my emily early acts for everyone's favorite Christmas bench Gan land except thinking about Jake looking for approval. The US this enough. It was for approval. And of course tanner love this energy. Love this chemistry right now. Beverly Toga Old. Hold The v Togo gold the first Noel Very good and of course we have our esteemed guest Amir Blumenfeld. Hello Folks Outta do. I'm not doing my show because we don't know your character God. That was scary. What if I just launched into that was close? Learn so so much okay guy. So this is going to be a non canonical holiday adventure but it is a holiday adventure guys. It is the holiday holiday season in Bohemia Creek Miss and glaister on Ika or just around the corner. The band of boobs have taken a much deserved break from their adventuring to give back to the community. We're getting a lot of those these days. moonshine has been reading the old folks at the creek volunteering data. Beverly has been volunteering at soup. Kitchens and outer essary and hard one even set up the storm born to look like a sleigh Eh then delivered glaister Ronca presence to later on in a confusing combination of fades. Sounds about right. So you guys all are sitting around a cozy fire inside your stupendous stump. When suddenly a raven flutters in varying note well ask the local druid? I WANNA make sure I keep hard-won away from this animal accidentally killing bird you see it starts to kind of AH balanced minor illusion of bigger Berge harbor. Look at that one bird. two-point let's Ratchet Forget. Forget this scrawny thing. Why directed come give me the note and then flee you see? The Raven looks over shifty eyed at hard one hops over a a hands you. A little note holds little like a Raven leg out. So you can untie a little note from it and give him a quick petty. It flies away moonshine. You read the notes and it says greetings. Everything's TALL DWARF RAT Dinner Lady and rich boy. I hope this not finds you. Well I sent it like ten days ago. Because cannot afford expedited shipping we the Dwarf Inza Frost Wind would like to invite you to our celebration of winter glow or as is the frost wind government calls it. Mandatory celebration of maximum nasty a somber festival in the winter glow is very important to our people on the last day of the old year when the clock strikes midnight there is a flare in the plane are rift that Shimer's do the whole sky. It said that during this time the barrier between us and the gods is the weakest so we make wishes for the New Year. The ritual is particularly important to US DWARF INS but we can explain more when you get here unless you don't come. I understand if you don't. I'm used to being abandoned best wishes Caccia. Don't have a last name again. I was abandoned. I I used to sign all my letters this way as well we'll dictate but still absolute sign off the last name. Either you know I was in a card. Oh belmore or hey come here not forget. I thought Alana's like a gave. y'All you memories pack and maybe do. That's the one thing I just don't remember you. You were when you were remembering your life. You didn't peep at the mailbox right. Yeah okay do you want us to brainstorm one for you know. I think we should get on with it. ADDS AH Okay Harvey Connor. How about taking the sleigh up north? Hey I love to anything for these two orphans so you guys take off in that your slave ship and fly towards the city of Frost Win as you make your way over the ocean you feel the weather changing. There's a bit of a nip in the air. And you see the first snowflake falling from the Sky Crane holiday too. I tried to catch it in this cup. Go ahead and give me a dexterity check. Okay in the nineteen Yeah you catch a snowflake. It's very cold. Can I create food and water so that it starts snowing more and maybe also some gingerbread cookies you start using magic to make gingerbread cookies off from this guy. Baking cookies fall from the sky complete insanity tearing up the rigging yourself from falling down super heartfelt worship starts rotting. The rudder is going. We're going down we'll lived. These cookies are hard as shit. And so eventually you guys. are in a consistent snowfall as you get close to where you know frustrating to be you guys see islands below you of ice as you approach the northern continent. Finally I you can see. The plane are rift in the sky atop mount forge giving the snow below a purple glow. Guess this time of year really really is. Can you eat purple snow eat some purple snow. You think it tastes fine. Think it's fun Do you have a rash. Yes snow or the US okay. Good good have reached wins going away gashed Mirage. Got Gas everyone lined up for chapstick right now. So you guys have reached. Frost wins. Came up on it a a little sooner than you would expected. It's night and the city kind of snuck up on you on normally. The city is all lit up and bustling with activity. And you would expect it to be even more so with this festival happening but It is very very quiet and there are no lights at all in the city. You do not see anyone out on the streets. It is eerily quiet it would be pitch black if not for the moon and the plane are rift reflecting light onto the snow. Pull into the docks you see other boats here but no dwarfs know bustling city life. All you hear is the crashing crashing waves and the blow the winter wind. You guys get the distinct feeling that something right here not only from the city but from inside yourselves you feel weak as you approach the city hard one. You feel less of a connection. TIRR Queens Hammer Bev moonshine. You're having a hard time remembering your higher level spells. You have all been de leveled downtown level three three here here. Are Your new old character sheets. Let me hand them out. Oh it's Christmas. I've got you you you fucking grinch guess how much I like. This has had these ready to my character. She getting the candle on fire. Guess I'll use one. When you're leading the candelabra was convenient for this plus two proficiency bonus I fall in the ocean you might drown if you jump in the the ocean and you guys are not good anymore I feel feel even weaker than before and I've had some weak moments. Aw Your ears are just full of gingerbread Ou- out of their aluminum taller okay. I guess I'm going to do some kind of Arcana check to figure out what's going on. Sure go ahead enrolling our contract. That's GONNA be ten ten. Moonshine is that purple offshore in some eight right. That's all you get with the ten. grads back I want to see is hard one back in his human for no. He's weakened normal version of how so I am the same height just truly like a beanpole just a very thin Christmas tree knock it off. That's weird 'cause like I feel sick but I still look the same hard-won just looks like he lost weight. We all we all feel and look the same. I don't look worse than anybody nobody else. There's like nothing there so strange. Can I do a check as well. actually I WANNA test my connection to Palomar Sherry. If my religion is still working you know like religious shoot. That's going to be an eleven and eleven you feel that it is significantly weakened. ooh that you are not as powerful of a Paladin is you're polar what's going on and nothing I don't even here like some classic acid carols going on you hear nothing. Oh my gosh should we. Head towards the Dwarf Initi- acting so Travel to frostbite the Poppers area the frost wind and approach the dwarf an inch this large simple warehouse style building. The last time you were here there were windows. Boarded up but that was to patch up the broken glass us. You could still see fires burning inside this time. The windows are completely boarded up. And you can't see inside at all and you see the door at the front is as big iron door and is sealed shut. Do we see anything in the windows. Go ahead and give me a perception Jack. Another nine can be ten You go up and approach the windows and you would need to like pry it open to be able to see inside. I don't have my major hand anymore. I could priority. I WANNA go up and try to pry the window so we can see inside sweet hard-won go ahead and me a strength check. So let's see seven third one. You start really struggling with the board like its male in. They're pretty good You start struggling as you're struggling you hear this little sliding people like this little grill thing. That's on the iron door slide open and you hear voice go what you doing here. We don't have any food. We came for a sombre government mandated. Party ah some door himself come in quick quick come in. I think welded this piece of wood onto the annoy. Just nailed it in my very weak little brother nearly a meter check. Nineteen the twenty moonshine. You've you've rip-off please do not do that. City very dangerous have now put it back. Please thank you put it back. You see your work on that on that Board Very Nice Caccia this teenaged FROST DWARF SWINGS THE DOOR Open. Ushers you guys all end gives you all the big hug quickly closes the door. You see this big gymnasium style. Room Room lined with bunk beds and a big pyre in the middle of the room burning to keep them warm you see dozens of little dwarf ins crowd around you as you enter her DWARF DWARF. You're back you're back to save us. I'm still tall here. What are you what are you need saving from? What's going on I? Are you see Caccia stand in front of the younger kids and goes. Oh it's terrible. We've had something very powerful stolen from us and and it's become a problem for the whole city. I note took so long to get to you. We didn't have time to tell you about it so we had the find someone else to help us. But he hasn't been very much help you see rounding. The corner is a little known Amir. Would you like to describe what your character looks like okay. He's to eleven three tall in heels. Gold Gold Teeth Balding Vaz. Is He wearing heels. He is not. That's the one inch heels is what I'm saying. That's that's the guy you've been. You paid to help you. We said that that we needed help. He was the only one who came. Okay Hi what's your name Sir. Ni- name is Hugo how you go any questions for me so many You've been held now. These dwarf friends. What you've been helping doing? Well we're trying to find something in once. Yes we do. I- Ugo we'll be paid handsomely. I am handsome. I thought everybody else any questions for me in speaking standard five something. We thought we pop. He was like an adventure like about the hunter or something but he says that he is our agents now manager and I don't know the difference. Yeah so basically started in a rough but an agent helps you know. Set up meetings Jason Stuff and a manager which I also doing okay. One that sort of guides your career going forward very help. You actually have another question one. Just yeah if you are acting as both agent manager. Why are you differentiating the two roles? I see what you're saying. You think there's like a conflict of interest there maybe trust. Trust me I you go and very honest. Yeah okay so I answer all questions truthfully. You've introduce yourself three times very good. Then let's all agree. That was EH. He's been taking a before even earns you sound like I'm sorry. You sound like a huge. You know what clan plan of a great question and it could be any clan by clan and it is a clan is actually the clam clan k. l. a. m the clay the clam clan right. Right right right of the clam clan made you what qualifications job to protect. These DWARF NOT PROTECT NOT PROTECT. And do you or I guess he brokerage deal with you. I guess catch. Are you trying to get cast in like Christmas. The talent he he he's been living I'd noticed. What precisely are you being attacked? Doc Year I you go don't appreciate you're supposed to attack whatever is threatening the town. Have you done that. I'm an agent of chaos at a manager of expectations. They're looking for something that will make them stronger. Better older wiser. I think they'll get older. Naturally that's just time. Tell very well the guys onto something. I'd love to give you one percent of my earnings go. You're what what is all right so what was stolen from us. Yes that was an artifact called. Don't get into too much detail. Then they're going to start like snooping opened around and I don't want them taking my twenty five percent twenty five percent. Well almost their lawyer why to find the thing all right you can tell them because I'm that sure that I will find it before they do but continue on thirty percent. Have you can work together. The ring of good fortune stolen from us. It grants protection door frontier every year at winter. Glow we wish upon the ring to keep our fire hot and their bellies full. We do not have a lot here but since we've had the ring no DWARF INS have starved and the one that's frozen. You see that as she's she's motioning as she speaking it does appear that there's something magical about this fire like her hand is just like hitting the fire and not burning her and you notice as you look around that the windows are all boarded up like this should be a death trap but that the room is not filling up with smoke like this is some kind of magical fire and she continues and she goes the ring of good fortune was given to us by off Gar when the legendary heroes visited a few years ago. He said that no one should ever wear the ring that the ring is for all of us. If we all shared shared it it would strengthen as a collective but if anyone ever took it for themselves it would dress strength from everyone around wants them and give them a terrible power. I go ahead and make a go ahead and make an investigation check in nineteen eighteen. You go does not appear to have the ring on him. You've you've been frisked you go. I can't I can't believe you guys didn't trust me on Hugo talk a lot about money and percentages. I just. I've got a little bit of a nose for that. So we fear that whoever whoever has stolen the ring is currently wearing it and siphoning strength from everyone in frost wind worse. If this person is to have the ring on that midnight and and make a wish we fear that they will make some terrible wish in this will all become permanent. Got It you go. Do you have any leads as of now you go. Yeah can't walk us through what you've already speed file or a wall like yarn. Yes I have a file in a waffle of yarn true. That is correct Iraq. Let me ask you this sure. Do you think you go has actually been investigating this or do you think that he's just been living here for free. In my nine you guys trying to get the percentage up to the point where he can start getting work done okay now. Negotiate fully does not know anything. He's he's hearing about just like leads us the fine details like got it. Let's talk money until now. Its been mostly star paper now that we're now that we're agreeing that I will be helping you get to work okay. Great all right I will be strictly on commission for us. Yeah you guys will split whatever we all find relating money involved in the ring. Yeah because it's pretty priceless to these. Sorry huck endorsed it down. Sorry why didn't you take the time to fucking I. I was GONNA say something. Much worse was eating corn. Everybody go ahead and give me. Perception Zeppelin checks. Everybody Amir's role. Yeah relatively twenty. Is this your roll roll. Roll baby seven seventeen eighteen same eleven. So you guys all hear the sound of an engine revving moonshine and Bev. You guys also here The distant shouts of Rowdy teens. Nasty Lads Am. I going to have to face rust at a level. Three I kind. I don't like this place this graveyard kids again. That's what I'm wondering are not not breast was the kid's name Rhodium phase eroding at a level. Three yeah no not yet but I'm able to ascertain that he doesn't sound like a very good question. I got an important question. Where were you keep the ring and good fortune me? I wasn't keeping it at all. You Go. Why don't you go somewhere else? All right of course I am three foot. One I goes to jail is height changes every day you go. You stole those boots from a child child's boots. I'm a woman's to do you go style with a side of corn stealing things from us and saying Ugo the yarn for your board. Someone's unraveled sweater. This cruel maybe so one goal in the corner give him a bed. Each of the fight one of us in laws go style despite all when he says that I root for the small you see Caccia goes just under my bed. Okay I would like descend papa to go sniff around the checks because we met a bunch of people on frost wind and he's got that keen sense. Okay by the way. Save your five percent. We already have a lawyer. This is a real lawyer who I gestured to a possum. You know more of a lawyer than say me the draft contract. Yeah quicker than you got your lawyer off. Let's do you go ahead and and make a let's just say wisdom checks just roll. Roddy Twenty Sixteen. You see you go goes toe to toe with haw drafting an agreement you. I'm sorry I doubted you and I'm really sorry about that. Wow You oh do you go cash for everybody. I gave him cash. Stich Chris Fifty dollars awesome the kids go ahead and give it investigator perception. Check for Papa as He gets advantage when he is sniffen. Sixteen paw-paw runs over to the little chest that was holding the ring. SNIFFS IT scrambles back to you Rainier Mimi. You he tells you that he smelled Caccia Some other kids from the orphanage. Okay and some of the nasty lads. It's smells like smells. Eighteen spirit. Smells like Teen Spirit. All right. We're headed to the graveyard. You had like anything thing that this Mike. I'm curious if you have any. Fighting Prowess is a good question. I have fifteen eighteen intelligence. Not Strong enough for you. Okay now I don't think the week just say in the back is also style. Indeed you might make a worthy sacrifice feature. Come with US before we go. I made these sweaters for all of you but it looks like maybe the dwarf Vince could use them a little more Yeah Yeah that's nice. I pull out some custom sweaters. I made for Moonshine and POPPA and Belle nor and hard ones is actually a crop top so it fits extremely well to one of the orphans. Oh this perfect gingerbread cookies again careful how very painful yeah. Let's let's Mosey on outside us. US guys go outside and you hear this engine that you were hearing is much louder you see that. There are three nasty dwarf. Teenagers Messing around in the abandoned streets. Two of them are holding up. A DE animated ironed worth this broken auto. Matan robots bats. While another one driving a snowmobile rides added holding a club the one on the snowmobile smacks the Iron Dwarf in the head with the club it rides by knocking head clean off Hell Yan and destruction coolest hal breakdown suck it do agree man. Yeah it is a kind of chill around in circles Gaydos you see they all snap their heads turning towards you and the dude on the snow mobile remember turns it towards you l.. Hey what's up nerds. What's outdoor fins? Happy Winter Glow to you. All shut up kid up fam- who you go near the weird old Guy Taylor you talking about you on the cool tallish guy who's been hanging out to compare to these little guys is is did become live at the graveyard with us with his off. Do you want us to be agents. I said to live outside their age. Four where did you get a snowmobile ago from the frigging guardsman stole it. We could everyone's ass now. Now I mean I guess I don't really support the guards and they are kind of authoritarian state but like that's stealing dealing and on winter glow of all days. Yeah winter blow man's or what makes you so much stronger than the guards these days. Well see everyone's power got sucked away. Okay but we don't really have and they just kick ass So beautiful store can check all their fingers. What's it rings as your walk up towards them? Two of them. pull out daggers. And the one. That's on the snowmobile. It'll be a holds up his club and he goes well not another step forward. Okay this is our city now right. Yeah Yeah I just came because I wanted y'all to show me those fun. Nineteen hand gestures. y'All do yes how do you do suck it a is it. It's an exception cheque nine. You don't actually have any interest in knowing about degeneration exit. You're lying to me in the fended so you think I'm not interested in it lottery. Is How you name your crotch so perfectly with an block you man. That's you go get a yeah we throw. Oh you go out there very them with paperwork you all right. I'm just GONNA come. I'm GONNA come clean. We are looking for that ring going to meetings. I check shadow to the the two crew. You look at each other and turn back to you and go ring the note the fuck you talking about man. I believe him. It took a doughnut for your finger. Anyway Pete's out the piece I did I see a ring on his fingers. He's gone right away I'm running to keep up with them and I'm cast in locate objects so on the ring. Okay if it's within a thousand feet of me And it or if it's in motion I know the direction of its movement. I know the the direction of the objects location you see. This dude. Basically laughed two of his friends in the does to add up man. They're running after the snow mobile. You can't keep up with the snowmobiles. snowmobile fully gets away. But it wouldn't be a thousand feet away from me. He does not have the ring on him. You do locate objects. You do not find the rain. I guess we beat up the two remaining teams everybody going Royal Initiative Nares fucking neck twenty. What a bullshit to waste on a shoutout to the two crew? What did you go get? Tell us you go. You got old and eighteen. But I'm also down to get brunch to know if you guys have eaten today. We had a lot of very very still gingerbread thirteen. You had that so you got a twenty two. Oh even better oh goodness ugo still eating corn you go you who are first so you have the weapons you have on you. You have a rapier which is a sword and also have a short bow. The Dude on the snowmobile is still in range to shoot with short bow and these two other dudes that are on. Foot have drawn daggers. You also seem to be wearing a very sharp stilettos. Let us yes. Why don't you see short though with such an emphasis on short you appreciate? You'll be using the sword then suites so you want to just go after one of the dudes. That's not on the snowmobile. That's right I'm going after one of the dudes that's not on the snowmobile. So you actually as a rogue the path that you have you can roll two d twenty and you pick the higher one as you attack because you're catching them. You're catching them off guard because you're acting before them. Let's write a shifty. He Little Ugo Twenty three twenty. Three suites you super hit so you roll with sneak attack you roll a d eight and two D six. Oh this this is so cute. Jake this is what you were like Ola. Twelve twelve plus plus four so sixteen. Let's go we have A. We have a saying on finish him. Describe how you kill it also does not come out if you want glow so I have a sword sort of stabbed him through the Nostril Kebab. And then I stare at everybody else just like you guys really WanNa fuck with me now. You guys thought it was a nobody. Ugo Stabs a rapier through this roster of knows and and then just pulls out Kebab part of his brain. Yeah that anyone can kill a dwarfing. What's she's a teenage or man? You you for this. Yeah we tend to just concussed. The teenager is how far away is a snowmobile. And we all. I'll say it's about eighty right now. Eighty feet away. Then I am going to go. Doesn't have any cards you guys played. All of this goes just got a blood thirst apparently kind of a maniac. I mean you're strangely officiant what you're doing but stop please. Oh you go you can also as a bonus action so basically at the end of your turn you can roll to hide so that nobody can attack you now would you like to do is I would like to go ahead and Roll d twenty. He's so capable. I hate this on the slippery. Little Ugo it'll be eleven plus your stealth which I think think eight nine hundred nineteen so you go disappears into the snow. I for now all that's left. Is this ear of corn groups. Pick it up and drag down with me. I'm absolutely finish within range of the snowmobile and then cast heat. Eat Metal on it so that a little thing has to bail. Okay sweets you. 'cause object glow red hot any creature in physical contact with the object takes two D eight fire. Damage cast a spell until the spell ends. You can use bonus action on each of your subsequent turns to do the damage again. Okay go ahead and roll your data damage. Eleven moonshine finished him. Okay what I would like to do is I would like to like like heat. It in a way that he like accidentally like that he like falls over in a way that angles the snowmobile towards me sweet. Then I can jump on like Knock him out. Throw them over my back now. I'm writing the sense insane. Go ahead and check yes like well. You're able to use a spell five foof mutianyu heat. snowmobile he goes. Oh my ass Bob. He sees all seeing up crashes Super Super Heart into a brick wall sprains himself up a wall and just roll Tom. I'm pretty sure that was just a concussion. I didn't kill him. Oh he is still alive. Shin this is bad Karma. Don't worry I'll come. He'll yeah okay. Winter Glow Right. That is all right. I guess is the one that is the one that you go brained still alive. No even if I touch hands them no okay. Okay I guess I rush over the one on the snowmobile okay. I'll try and he'll okay sweet and then I guess as a I guess that's my action. So yeah I switch hands okay. How much of your you only have like ten now? Oh Gosh level. Three fifteen okay. I'll give them five just to stabilize them. You heal them happening just like kind of hurts. I'm I don't think you're correct at all but I'm sorry about this. Thanks man is she. uh-huh uh-huh that check his fingers. That is the check his fingers he does not have a ring. That is the dwarfs turn that one is going to try to stab you. Beverly with live. Why Oh come on? That is a nineteen. Oh shoot it. Does it now sweets. Maybe you were right. You Go hugo style. Five damage to you Beth. Where is he talking to me gets onto the snowmobile other dwarf runs up tries to stab you with a dagger natural three Mrs POPs onto the back of the snow mobile broken if Iran into brick role roll a raw luck. Check to see how well snowmobile is holding up a role it in front of hard-won here so we can keep honest. The higher the better for these guys mm-hmm that's a fifteen say I'm GonNa say it's sputtering and fucked up. It has slowed down at half speed. But these guys are able to you. What ride away for sixty feet? That is hard ones turn. Who's near me? Adore F- odd. One is dead two of them are on the snowmobile together riding away. Can I throw a throwing axe at some vital part of the snow mobile mobile. Go ahead. Thank you hard won. It's only a twelve that MRS throwing overhead right. No Oh I to attacks Joel. Stern Ballard's going to throw a javelin Oleg. But I can't promise anything about MRS way over throws. What is the javelin that is you? Save US Yugo you you can shoot them with a ask me nicely bitch. Can you go all right. What my role? Twenty one shoots himself in the foot. And it's your turn. All right. He metal is within sixty feet. So I run even closer to it and He's action things so hot right. Okay so is actually. That's going to be ten Jim your hot ass once once again. They both fall. Aw off of the snow mobile and crashes into a wall. Can I do another Arcata. Check to try to steer direction. Thirteen thirteen of it. It starts to turn it just capsizes rolls over. And his vaguely pointed. These kids are both knocked out. Oh you guys are out of combat. Go Scuba them young and this was humiliating. You go yes. I knew you'd ask ask me something like my fault. What no actually? I'm seeking your council. You lawyer right. Yes but chart six percent. Now I've I just didn't get promoted. Y You want me to pick these young pockets and give you six percent. What I find you get such a high percentage of sleeping doc band and building? These kids pockets in there a lot of gold they each have like ninety and like it's just random drills and shit dental floss do they have any corn on them. They don't have any coronado. Sorry we can't give you six percent. They don't have any corn. Well I'll take the gold. Yeah I guess deals deal I give them six percent of that hell. Yeah I've made seventy five dollars off this lady. I feel feel bad about a suspicious amount of money on them. Yeah you okay I was GonNa ask you if you thought we should just kill these teams but let's just let's just take this snowmobile to the graveyard where they hang out. Rowley wake one of these fuckers up and ask them where they got the goal. Let's time wake him up. Okay you hog tie a a nasty lads you wake up you see one of them wakes up and goes you kicked my ass man. You made my snowmobile hot. Ha this one killed our friend you got hit at heart. She made it hot. You unceremoniously murdered there all the time and the will turn around. Can you tell us a little bit about the young in that you go off in a nicer remembrance. Yeah well he was rather Zell. He basically with go round and usually orphans have a soft spot for other orphans. He didn't he would like kick smaller kids and take their stuff. I was like one of his favorite things. Just like in the orphanage. You're sleeping let's go kick in the door and kick some kids while they sleep so look you go you got lucky on you go is rich. Go is intuitive and you go his justice you only being validated. Everything feels three-foot seven now on top of the war. I'm standing on four years. Where did you get those boots? You Go oh he oh he robbed that store. I see now you goes former boss. Hugo boss Clam Taylor. Would you like either of those to be your last name. No Okay just checking our young and take us to the ring. Take us to the show the winning now you have the ring take us to the ring. y'All have too much money on. You know. This is normal amount of money for us to have telling you Shit Shit I slap them. Oh God making activity check with advantage twenty As soon as he gets slapped. Oh you hear him Fart and Shit himself. Don't slap me. I'll okay look. We don't have the ring. Being Rusk has the ring and you remember Russ Gac was the head of the nasty lads who were in that like all that bone armor word that he stole from the mausoleum boy high and he was like a little punk. This kid continues and goes we snuck into the dwarf in which and Rusk took the ring and he said that he was going to wish at midnight for everyone else to be super weak so that we would be the strongest and also ring ring is making Rusk X.. Superstrong we live in the castle. Now Dude so Rosca Kazan. The Castle Rusk is the freaking King. Dude rules it was. He's a legend man. You are making a mistake. Investing in this guy you know he's just GonNa wish for himself to be strong and Y'all gonna be in the dust. y'All are going to be working for him. But do we get the Radwan snowmobiles rules. Okay take your buddy just got murdered by my buddy. Yeah the style by the way if she her you can represent you against her soul. I I actually yeah I would appreciate that. Who is GonNa represent you and your murder order here? I'll oh very very trials off. We'll talk talk about the defend against yourself. I would like to charge you with the murder of my friend. Forget I said anything. I really think you guys should settle Ragnarok Iraq was it the King Rusk. Ask sorry I'm just trying to parse all these clues together what clues in one. Everything's Been Saul stop talking. Let's go see this guy feeling. He's got the ring. We were told explicit feeling feeling a confirmation all right follow me going to make a raw intelligence check confidences infectious should be plus two okay so twelve twelve. I'm you guys see you go starts heading vigorously in the direction of the castle taking the long way but he is going in the right direction a boss. Actually I know shortcut if you want to not waste time. It seems like a long way to walk in those hills. I don't hurt as much as they think they do. All right let's do short right blew. It was that way before it feels. Let's take the shortcut ORCA charge. Yeah sure so. You guys sneak through the city patting lightly through the snow. You see several more de Animated Iron Indoors as you travel you can assume that once Rosca had this ring it like sucked all the arcane power out of the city so these automobiles are no longer operational. I mean that's that's kind of good thing right. Yeah they were pretty bad they were kind of a police state Can I do in Arcana check to see if we can instill them with power and make them our friend. Sure it's going to be a eighteen. You have enough. Are Cain knowledge to know that you do not have enough. Arcane Knowledge in he would need to be like an arch. Wizard make I whisper kill you go and nothing happens. Yeah the broken. They're totally broken weird. I thought maybe I quit like a first level spell in it and you know my a friend so the made one good friend today. Why would we ever need more right? You Go oh totally Hugo. Excuse who though do though. But you go. How he's going to use that? That's that's the billboard for his. The law hurt so the city is still extremely quiet. Quiet until you reach the cold iron. Keep you once again. Hear the sound of some kind of vehicle going through the snow and you hear many nasty teens. Eighteens goofing around. You guys sneak up you see that. The castle is surrounded by a tall iron fence but the gate has been broken a and hangs open. In the castle courtyard there is a mural to the three original dwarf in Kings. But you see that this has been vandalized. There are around sixteen sixteen messing around in the courtyard here as well as one riding around on a snowplow just like ramming it into the mural. This is funny and sacrilegious added as far as the castle itself. It's two stories tall all but the first story is very tall. The first story looks like a Gothic Castle built of blackstone and iron. There are spires shooting eating out of the tops of the towers with busts of Dworkin kings and big stained glass windows. You see the castle narrows as it gets up to the second story which is an all glass room with thick pains that connect windows in an octagon shape. Basically looks like a big lantern. So you guys can think of the castle like a square with a guard tower at each of its four corners and little walkways between them. You can see teens on the walkways up. There guys go ahead and meet perception checks. I'll tell you how much you see. Good Lord six thirteen eleven. Nineteen employs. Some Nice just nineteen because you don't have plus the wisdom. I don't think you guys running the show you go. You look up and you see that in these guard towers they have have these big Ballista 's essentially these giant cross bows and you see that at each of the two towers at the front of the castle there are two thirteen's manning them and see throughout the walkways between the second storey towers. You see kids walking around with like rock slings. What do you see you go? Well it's not good for you guys. It's a series of security biggers. Teenagers Crossbows slings brings the full nine nine nine hundred ninety s no not nineteen th the whole nine yards what I meant the walkway. It looks longer than nine yard. Yeah like I said these are all. Who is this kid? So yeah so you go sees these ballista 's up in the towers and you guys see about a dozen teens between the ones that are up on the walkway and in the towers out front here. Okay then maybe we just split up the two of us go to one tower two of us or the other we hopefully take the towers in the walkway and then can rain down fire upon these ones around the snowmobile. After after so I think the goal. That'd be my goal. I liked that goal. I'll go with you go okay. I'll go being this blind. BUFFOON will go. I lied lied buffoon. Wish me luck I mean your perception. Sorry I get it. He couldn't he couldn't see anything on the towers. You guys have to rely on me better horizon. You stole from the store also wearing shoes. All right let's go so you guys are splitting up to and to to both towers. Yeah so you guys are basically in. They're trying to scale the wall and get up to the towers over to the towers without the teens in the yard seeing us. You'll need to do stealth. Yeah okay so I'll say a hard one and Ugo or going over to the left sneaking through the courtyard trying to have the team's not catch them. Let's have you guys roll yourself checks. I very quiet Ugo in twelve. I got a nine okay. These teens do not have good passive perception. You guys successfully get by the ones ones that are in the courtyard because there is a snowplow going off so yeah he has a super loud super rowdy. Teens I'm GonNa Roll while I'm still going okay. Moonshine goes into symbiotic entity. I look like a mushroom woman. Now got it. I'm going to roll to your luck. Checks ten or higher they are the teams in your tower are paying attention And that means they'll do a perception checked actually look for you instead of just being passive Song role in Freddie. You Jake nine that what is not paying attention. You see one of the ones up by the BALLISTA just keeps talking to the other one yen and she was super high do we rely hanging down stuff is critical. I'm listening very intently. The the other one gets an eighteen so he is diligent shut up. Do we have a job to do. PROTECT RUSS GAK RUSS GAK rules He's going to go ahead and make a perception check to try to see you guys. The lower one. was you hard one. You got a nine. That is a natural five. Does Not hot seat guys get up to the tower. I turn sideways a very thin guys. Go ahead and give me athletics checks to or acrobatics for You go out of my way you go watch this. That's how God dammit. That's a nine nine nine seven okay. He did role a natural one year. Old Natural One okay. You guys both need to roll new stealth health checks. Because you're making noise as you climb up the tower non do at the first you little shit that is ah. That's eleven eighteen. Okay you guys break off a few bricks as you're climbing But the dude food above you guys does not see and he seems to be the only one that is paying attention. You guys begin climbing up the towers. Bevin moonshine going to the other one. You guys go ahead and give me spell checks ex I will tell you right now. These guys have passive perception of Eight. So you gotta be an eight the seven seven. I got an eighteen. All right fucking cannot wild shape into a bird not yet you're going to have to roll initiative so you go. Oh and hard one as you guys are climbing up the towers. You see moonshine and Beth make a break for it and start running for their tower and you see one of the teens sounds looks over and sees them goes. Oh we gotta fuck in company here man you see the snow plow backs up and goes wrong. That's the kid making making that noise. Yeah man fucking boom boom everybody go ahead and roll initiative. You don't have to make the noise number twenty three you seven seventeen eight so hard when you are i. Nobody has seen yet in my up on top of the tower commando climate. You have not made it all the way to the top of the tower. I will say if you would like to use your movement you can get to the top of the tower. I'm going to try to get to the top of the tower and throw one of the kids off. Go ahead and make an athletics check. I'll say fifteen or higher you can make it up there with your movement killing on Christmas. That's eight twenty five. Jesus Yeah you scramble up to the top of the tower two kids up there at this Ballista they are looking forward. They do not see you right now. I'm GONNA can I drop kick them both off the tower. I will say you can make an attack with disadvantage. If you do that fucking Hell Okay role to pick the lower one if you hit their ACL allow it fourteen. They do not have high armor clashing over double drop kick. Fuck Fuck and thank you see these two dwarves fly off the tower and just crash into the snow with a sickening crunch. You go up you to kill teenagers. Whoa not like that fucking animal? I recorded that I have that on record. No not me. Swearing the high alert everywhere. The doors are all freaking out. The one in the snow. Mobile is going to ride at you. Hugh Moonshine Moonshine. I'm GonNa need you to give me a dexterity saving throw okay but if you've got four or is that you have that out in the cold eighteen bitch. Eighteen moonshine This one teen writing this mobile rides at you. Put the shovel down tries to scoop do you roll out of the way they're scooping there are five more down here. Three of them are going to go after you. Moonshine and two of them are go after Beth. One of hits you moonshine for five and then the other two kids go after you Bev. One of them hits for three. There are four up top on like the walkways. The four in the walkway are gonNA run over to the BALLISTA. That hard one is sat and take some swings at him. I one hits second one. Mrs Third One fourth one gets a fifteen hit. It has sixteen right. That is three damage. Hard one then the ones up in the tower are going to shoot a Ballista Down at we'll say Bev because the snow plows going after moonshine. That's at one fucking full-on break the BALLISTA. Uh this looks so expensive shit on me. Mad Fuck you gotta read the manual. That is your turn. Oh cool I'm near the plow right. Yup Can I just run up the plow and try and launch myself into the cockpit to stab the person there. They have three quarters cover so it's going to be a little hard to hit them but they don't have good. Ac Happen to commandeer the snowmobile. We got a clean up. These streets nineteen eighteen to hit one thousand does hit Gordon. Roll your damaged little ten damage you stab into it. You incapacitate. This kid. Snowplough just keeps like rolling as he rolls over on the wheel. I guess going to try and get in there and giving mean acrobatics check. Oh that's going to be a six sweet. I'm you try to scramble into the helm you can't do it all in one turn But you are getting into position for next girl. That is UGO stern you go. You are climbing this tower. Chaos all around you all right. I continue climbing up the tower sweet to make an acrobatics check. Can I can. I will will lower my hand and try to help them up sure. Yeah allow this Going role with advantage to pick the higher gum. Ugo Twenty any to sweets you scramble up hard one reaches his hand down you take it and he pulls you up you see that there are four dudes up here stabbing at hard. One with daggers. Holy Shit I didn't need your help. Thank you John Attack One of these guys. I don't know I felt I feel bad about the braiding two minutes ago. All sense of time is all work because of the brain. Okay I just killed two of these fuckers really holy Shit. You're worse than me okay. I'm going to try to defeat a few other teens so you you don't get to roll with advantage this time you just regular okay and again let me know about Brunch. Thank you so much. Corn already in sixteen You super hit go ahead and roll two sixes entity eight fifteen so we have a clear role roll which means that if you do enough damage to one you can go into another one so you can kebab three of them. I guess you could say I'm hungry. Refer Kebab I bob three of them you go up stabs three of them. The nostril not surly ending high order. And you go takes the lead again. Were teens to to be honest with you. I don't think I've ever killed. I got a freaking out hard one. I never told you buy a murderer. How would you like to hide right or anything you go yes please check just twenty twenty six disappears again? Commits murder gets easy. We're Jesus you abandoned me Chinese all right moonshine. That is your turn you see. Bev is is working on getting the snowplow and then there are five other dudes down here. Yes we're all up in. We're all scrunched together so I'm going for the Middle One and I'm an ice knife. Awesome K which means every creature within five feet of him which is going to be all the other four. Well I'M GONNA make range attack whether I hit or miss everyone's GonNa take two. You D six cold damage. Jeez do they make any kind of role deck. Save or something yes they do. They make a deck saves or take two D six. So I'm going to. I'm kind. Got A fucking miss fails all around though. Yeah everyone takes three cold damage. Why am I wrong? Like dog shit never getting level down ever again dare humor. And then I'm gonNA spores one of them for For six more. Jeez Yeah Moonshine you do your ice knife you take three of them down to two. HP Your spores will allow the cleave role you take another three of them out. There's one left. Turn and that is balanced turned balance organs up. NASTY LADS shoot up He's GONNA run up and found nor hits they're playing grab ass belmore anybody knock it off bow nor hits one with the butt of his sword and knocks him out there. roughhousing creek misspell nor the one and down here. There's a look bad ones down here all knocked out That is backup too hard. One part when you see that there are two still appear on the BALLISTA list At the right tower. And then you see there are two towers in the back of the castle one of them abandoned in one of them has to dudes on it. And you see you like four more dudes running down the pathway trying to get to you guys got it so the closest folks to be are the are the ones running towards us. I actually go ahead and give me a perception check as well fourteen. You're a little bit distracted by all the kind of chaos around you but you do see that now that you're up in this hour our you have a better view of the second floor here and all of this glass and you can see that this looks to be some kind of kings quarters or something somewhere somewhere where somebody would sleep and you see that there is somebody sitting in a chair facing away looking towards the rift in the material plane. Great can I jump on jump through it. Try to jump through the glass yet. Yeah go ahead and give me a strength check. That's our boy sweet. Later later you go shot up to the two crew. I don't have any luck points. This is so sad i Miss Papa's help actions hard-won you rush forward. Try To action movie. Jump through the window and take one damage and just face plan on it and just bounce back and fall L.. Perron Hobo onto the. Oh fuck me. I'll say that's your movement but you can still make an attack if you'd like. Oh sick So I'm but I'm down and by the glass now you're up in the tower and then the glasses like I level with you now gray. I'll swing my glass sweet. You've got to test the shoulder. I thirteen thirteen to thirteen is not good enough to hit to do damage to it. you would assume that this should be pretty hard to break. This is the kings quarters after all That is the dwarves turn you see the two that are the two that broke. Ballista are just going to pull out rock slings and try to throw rocks down at I guess he's trying to climb. into the snowplow one hits in on the other one creates the one who creates does a big seven damage gloom and the other one does four damage so eleven damage. Total you start getting pelted with rocks. CUT It out as you go in damp teens. This is supposed to be a piece. Yeah mandatory piece. You know how that works all is calm. All is bright by the law and then hard and when you said that there were some on the walkway like running towards you from the back towers. They are going to approach you. And I'll take cracks at you so therefore them mm-hmm I one Mrs Second Mrs Third One hits fourth one mrs total four damage sweet. That is bad stern. Okay try and go and get into the snowplow sweet. Yeah Baby. Do I need to make a role for that. You're in the snowplow. Can I get a sense of the controls roles. Go ahead of me and intelligent check. That's an eight and eight. I'm Bev. Would've rudeness Love Avoids. It is pretty easy for you to get like the accelerator going and moving. You don't know quite how to use like the shovel as a weapon or how to use anything but your your riding around yeah. I'm going to try and ran the snow plow into the tower to try and make crumble. Oh okay sweet go ahead and make an attack role for the plow. All right and I will apply. It's stuff plow plow. Come on plant Appel or Gret this plow your holy light that it may mess up some teens real bad. That's a seven plus five twelve. Okay so you got a twelve okay. So they are going to DC twelve decks check You go and and hard one also have to do this. Sorry hard one you go a sixteen year old and eleven a hard one and two of the dudes fall off the tower into the soft soft snow. Hard when you take ten damage as you hit the ground hard Oh to the glass to have two of these teams go down. Bev feel hard on just crash into the top of this snowplow that you're driving. Sorry Buddy. It's all good as long as we killed teenagers. We gotta work on your reasoning. You Go. That's your your turn you've got two dudes up here with you all right time to hurt the just twenty and the new role of who do you have in the DA. He wasn't kidding about Ugo style. Oba Yugoslav back. Ah Six six okay you take another one down. There was just one up here with you. Would you like to hide Gallard. I'm a slippery man you go says bye-bye how could we not see. His vest is so bright. Yeah seventeen sweet you go hides pretty well moonshine in China your turn. His blood is blending with the vest. Can I get up to the tower. Go ahead and make an athletics. Track seventeen need seventeen moonshine. I'll say it's GonNa take your action and your movements to get to the top. Okay can I get at least within sixty feet all all right then. I'm one of those little bitches. One of the ones up by the Ballista the broken Ballista that sling rocks the twelve. It does hit whip out. He's gone flies off the tower spores on the way down on just to make sure he's dead you Tommy. This guy's getting out of control. I thought we would just like steal some coins. Now I've killed you. You GotTa turn he pulls out a javelin out of you go watch drove the one. That's you go style. Oh I'm not murderer you gotta to test goes ahead with Jesus you done to my friends. That's backup too hard one learn. Where am I falling? Down on top of snow plow with Bev L.. Shit I could also if I could have also bonus word healing healing word hard on. Yeah might as well might as well thank you. It's GonNa be a nine awesome. I love that. Thank you very much sweet hard. When you still see two that are up on like the second level one is up in the tower and one is up in the other tower with Ugo? Oh got it and your your dad hiding you go by. I'll throw my i. I can't get there in this industry and throw javelin yeah. I don't think I have a javelin at this point but I have someone throwing access fine. Yeah I'll throw throw throwing accident twin. My curse doesn't apply this now that you've ever really can't not you can't not destroy him. Actualize up hits him in the chest impales him through the nostrils go. Allies fly tower. I am not waking me. That's liability. We go down for these crimes together. You go the nearest confession booth after this and we're all crammed in there. We'll never yeah. I think you guys will never see me again. Your murderers that is this. Last worst turned shower. He he is going to run and he just takes off running away. Moonshadow go towards you go. I didn't take an opportunity attack from Ugo. I know he's on the other tower slinging rocks. Iraq's got him not hurt him turn my nephew You do look like someone's oncle. Do I see your boss for. You're so many shoes is the door to the base level of the Castle Open. Yeah I want to drive the plow inside Sweet Bev as you enter making intimidation Jack. ooh That's going to be a twenty-one Cheese Bev you've you crash the snow plow through the archway it breaks off some of the stone and makes room for you you start writing into the first level of the castle here you see that. It's this great hall that's already been destroyed you see. They've broken up the giant oak tables and have just made big pyres. I'm I'm you see that there were like seven. NASTY LADS here fucking around they see the plow Kaluka lay mother trucker weird. We have seven of these kids just like start diving out windows running. I'm laying on the Horn You Lay on the Hornets one. Still the roof or can't be hanging onto the ooh nasty lads ditch this first level there is nobody else down down here. Awesome effectively out of combat. Let's call. Let's call this little rust. GAC motherfucker down here. Get Him out of his comfort Ruskin dryer join us. You go hard the GAC. We got the necklace of good fortune. You guys here no response all right. Okay I guess we have to go to him. I'm can I look at my amulet action shirk. Can I take a little with Actually know what I'll I'll wait. Just one hip die. Yup At this point that remind mind then I will take a look. You saw him right. Yeah I saw it was so you guys all you guys all meet up on the first level now. Do we see like stairs leading up to the second level. Yeah you can go up through. The tower looked. Russ Gak to me. I you go yes dispatch us. Give a rousing speech speech to his battle. Well ferocity until I saw you murder. Don't recall that with such vivid detail. That's that's going to haunt me for the rest of my life. I wanted to steal some cash from these dwarves. What ended up happening was me murdering four teenagers agers and assisting in the death of countless others? I'm no hero. I'm a Lugo loser going away. Good bye glad he feels bad about it at the very least. Yeah Yeah you you give us the order. We're GONNA go. Let's do this all right. You don't want to say let's go. Let's you go okay. So you guys guys rush up the tower worst Nikolai. We're stealth sneaking okay. Everybody going to missile checks. Fourteen gene nine twenty nine net. Sixteen suites you guys sneak up Moonshine. You're being a little noisy. Sorry are y'all had beans for dinner pop off here. Don't respond to your own. Yeah he scares himself. Don't blame it on me. Please keep cool when he passed. Papa's Zapping as you guys. Sneak up the tower. You enter the second floor you see. There is no fire here no light other other than the eerie purple glow from the rift piercing through the windows of this atrium. You see that this was clearly the kings chambers. There's a bad some bookcases cases a large reading chair facing out towards the mountain with a view of the rift. I you see a large burly dwarf in armor made of bones facing away from you looking at mount forge guys sneak up you hear him. You've made enough noise. You See. His head leans back a little bit. And in this voice that is sounds almost demonic. Like he's been taken over by this. It's kind of like arcane energy. You hear him go. It is almost midnight almost time to make my wish. I am already the strongest and I wind and soon I will be the strongest in all of Bom Lia Auro I kick gas you guys sir. Maybe you haven't met our friend. The child killer. That's honestly more a nickname. Go Team Cleaner Greener Cook accident earlier today clean advising tease clean them up. I see Russel stands up turns around. He always wore this armor that was made of bones that he stole from the mausoleum but now he is unnaturally buff and and It's way too small for him. You see there are huge gaps in the armor through which nearly translucent skin pokes out huge muscles with straining unnatural natural veins arcane energy crackles around him and his eyes glow purple. You see the ring. Is this ring of blackened iron glowing with the same light. It looks like it would be quite difficult to get off. You see where the ring is on. His finger. Looks to be the same as like it always was. But he's got big big media giant hands on either side just super puffy hard-won. He's still your bulk. You're right enroll. Initiative another NAT twenty on initiative. Episode is a curse for me for roles. Twenty to seventeen twenty two fifteen. Okay you go first you go onto high right off the bat I that's right I'm out of here. eltek twelve suites. You go you hide. You don't do a particularly good job. No that is. There's Moonshine Stern. ICU goes just hiding behind a pillar which he's got his hands over his is like a toddler that's playing hide and seek you go. This room is mostly glass. What were you thinking? You're not exactly earning your thirty eight percent two percent. How many how much would hurt if I threw ugo at him? How would I roll for that? You could find out No that seems seems rude. Okay I guess yes. I'm down to just two first level spells and can trips so is there an open window No their all thick and closed I. Okay yeah closed off emotionally all right. I guess I'm just GonNa try to hit him. With ice knife. Got Got Chicken. Kebab does a fifteen hit a fifteen does hits cannot stop. Stop me I empower just goes right. Knew how. Oh my God. ow Shirt is so small. It's like a little bone bib. How three damage? And then it doesn't dexterity save fails takes eleven more and then I spoil them for six GS moonshine. Yeah you run up through the ice night sticks in his chest spores them do all this poison damage to him. You see it rocks him back. He is tough for you guys but you guys recognize as seasoned adventurers this is just a pumped up punk. Yeah that is for you. Go babs together. We killed them back into it to hero's journey a high in what's her face hard on. That's your whatever Margaret Margaret Cyber Parker. Inside Burn I don't want this guy knowing my name you can ideas I am going. I'll swing my axe at us. We my accent Rusnak sweet or damn ten to not hit all. Ah I'll be these my actions trying really hard man. What you can't hit me? I could hit you. Oh Yeah I really I unlike some other heroes. I'm kind of on his side crit. That's that's one thousand nine. Nice twenty-seven damage cheese. Jesus yeah you mess him right up you slash into him he staggers back. You'll go help. Yeah Yeah let's finish this fucker. Bucker whatever lovers hurt bad vegetarian you go style means less and less now. Ah All right you go. Is that another shoe chain. I'm three foot nine passing DSW. I didn't see still. Yeah I'm GonNa try and hit rescue as well as fourteen hit. It does do all right. I'M GONNA go ahead and divine smart on this one sweets. I pray deplore and say please on this winter glow eve bless my sword so that it might be in the style of you go you see as you make that prayer you see that there are like little strings of Arcane energy coming out of you and going into Ross Gak and Russ cactus mockingly goes largely. Tell me please tell me it. Shut up dude. That's actually pretty funny. Okay here Brera. I went to rust. Gak what I thought. I just heard it man. You're praying that's still funny. Bring is not funny any unless you want it to be unless it's like a little joke unless you have an inside joke with God I just I consider you twenty two damage starting to look pretty messed up great. That is rusk acts turn rest GAC is going to you you go has hidden. Didn't you guys are all up in business so moonshine through an ice knife so it's just bad than hard one. I'm going to say he's going to go after hard. One hard one attacked him. I he's is going to try to power bomb. You learn this by watching this other. WWe That work. I learned from watching. The W W network to talking. Try It teen that works. I see him kick in the stomach. Hell Yeah pick them up for the power from Google. Go Double Team Man. You're asking to get there on. That is twelve damage to hard one. How slams you down go ahead and give me a Ah Oh grappled so he slams you down and he keeps hanging on that is bow nor sern going to run foreword? Get off of the bow nor Mrs Baktai just keeps running forward at the end. Our of Balladur's turn Russ Gak is going to take a little villain action You see he holds his hands up and he he goes you cannot defeat the coolest rabbits baddest dude and the strongest guy ever and he clinches his fist you see this burst of Arcane energy coming out of the rift and breaking all the windows in the room everyone go ahead and give me a dexterity saving throw how you eleven shadow to the three seventeen eighteen so we have to add anything. You did did it right. I'm very proud of you. Okay so moonshine and baby you guys both take seven damage and you go and hard when you take three. That is back up to you. Turn you see Rosca Glitzy. Uganda's you and me. We could take out all of them. And then I'll share the profit the rig with you. I'm in brother. Where are you going to attack? Oh hell hard one one because Rosca is right next to them you can roll Tutti sixes and a Da uh-huh invoked Ugo style. How would you like many sixteen less? What's the four down see goes up and stabs startling Italy or physically uh-huh hard-won goes down was going to go down anyway? This wanted. That is moon's stern moonshine. Got Hugo and Russ US catch here. I'm just going to try to pushing to go out the window where you can hide Muturi. Kantor go ahead enroll a spellcheck later. Skaters was eight. Seventeen go ahead and make a perception check to try to find you go. You can't find me. I'm the Yugo Man I got ten. I can't find you go all right. I guess I wasn't on our side stealing doorframes. I guess I'm just going to I guess I'm just going to attack. Rest gag okay. Not My friend and I feel justified but sad to regret killing teenagers for you. That's GonNa miss and I guess I'm just GonNa Spores in the General Direction you go was go to attack acro disadvantage spell check. Yeah spell by spitting in the general direction of you. Go hoping you hit him. Fourteen that Mrs Ugo real hard on the same hardware saving twenty twenty hard-won you up you kick right back up your at one. HP Oh turn you solve a turned. I was dead by cower. Can I try to find you go coming. Perception check dam. It's only nine can't find all right so I'll talk. Russ GAC with my single turn fucking Throw an accident. A general direction that I last saw disadvantage sown discord amongst the group actually united on Sol against uh-huh Russ gag help giant nets. Why are you like this? That's a fifteen you do hit you go out go ahead and roll your throat x seven damaged. You got hit with an ax in the leg. I hi and sticks in their by. Luckily I have to turn you you and me. Let's attack I don't give a shit soon as I saw you steal all those shoes also that gold and then kill that child. I I knew you were bad. News do I see you goes. He revealed himself from no hurt. Yelp as God with the ring and we don't want to kill kill you go by divine since since his rotten heart. I know okay I I am going to look for you. Guys make a perception check. That's a fifteen fifteen fifteen does not find. You're making a disadvantage if you want it. There is a run. But you can't hide. I'm you go compelled dual on you go. Oh we'll have to see him. Yup Yeah I'm going to try and find him just this once. I'm going to try and find him out and throw a javelin disadvantage disadvantage. I know you can hear me you me and that bad guy. It's more annoying than I can hear you so you always bad God damn it. That's going to be a ninety. Thank you MS Rusnak. Stern res- GAK is going to still. Has Grappled is going to uh-huh try to crush you hard one go ahead and make a strength saving. Throw good luck brother. You killed me all right. I'm sorry I should've field you I was just enraged. He picks you up again and spikes you on your head for twenty two damage. Oh I like that. Almost auto kills me heart goes down crashes so hard into the ground that is bound nor stern balcony help but feel partly responsible cabal nor swings at heads through jail in this building. I just wanted brunch. And he does. Five damage could have gotten brunch. Russ Guy Pretty messed. Up Appeals Ahead Brunch Day zero. Really did you really were working toward some waivers. Ron Chair would have preferred nachos at the end of the round at the end of boundaries. Turn you see. He once again clenched his fist. And you see more arcane power surge from the rift into you guys everybody going to be a wisdom saving throw debt. I gotTA seven okay. Show to eight great guys. I got an eight okay. You guys are temporarily possessed. Do you see Bev and Moonshine. Both get purple glows in there. Is You guys just have to make melee attacks against each other so moonshine picking a crack with your staff and bad take a crack with your sword javelins against John. Twenty one twenty-one as well hit each other you just see them both purple beating the shit out of each other. This is Kinda cool in twelve seven. Twelve damage yeah. Because I'm in I do too in. Jesus I'm almost down. Okay Yeah You fucking right up ten pardon me ten okay. Jesus Christ still not a great Obama nor pass a saving throw boundary goes. What are you guys doing you guys come to and you see that you are fighting each other? That is doing you go sir. Hello me what would you like to do I guess who's the weakest person left at this point. Who Looks Worse Bev? I think I'm doing okay. I think he estimated an insight check to determine that yeah go check forget all tech beverly. He's overplayed his hand. What do I do roller to shake? Beverly's hand planning on attacking so so much discord also holiday Lisa special where everyone dies guest kills everyone eighteen plus hit that hit two six D level and made him so powerful about the same level. As you guys just a fucking rose I would have killed. Russ Gak instead you took. You took shots at you when you couldn't dragged you shit about frosted anymore and now I just want to kill you rusty. Pray for me brother. It goes a long lasting problem. We gotta get rid of him. Nine plus third thirteen damaged damage. I'm down these steps. Sped down goes down moonshine that is. Do you want to hide you go. There's really I never liked you. Only three plus eleven eleven. Okay Moonshine that is your turn. I'm not taking a chance here. I'm going to cash ferry refire and tackle him out a window about marry. You're not invisible anymore. I can see you uh-huh and Jack Athletics. Jackie Hugo you you have a minus okay. I got fourteen seven. You gotta six actually because you minus want to that six fourteen. Have you tackle him out a window and land on him. Jesus Christ You tackle you go you get super low on him and pick him up run towards the window window. You guys both fallouts I actually I could just throw him. I guess I just throw him. I'm GonNa have you making dexterity save to not fall fall run towards as we both die. That's why it's worth it could gain bowl style. Thanks dirty is fifteen you go you can make an oppose dexterity check. If you WanNa pull her what do I do. And what do I need. You need to beat the fifteen you got to beat a fifteen year three zero you go out the window Falling for them for six. Oh you do six damage to him you. How much stealthy down to eight GONNA take? You're going to take a little bit damage as you fall. If it's enough to knock you there you go you take you hit the ground with a crunch and take twelve damage. Just knocked out. You're not outright dead. So you you you spit the GO-TO throw them out the way you fly out of the castle you land with crunch comic crowd just looking off the chaos around you fade moonshot hard. One that you're going to be a dad saving leaving four for one and going saving throw okay fourteen save. That's a pass. That is Russ Cox turn. Rusnak is going to run forward and attempts to tackle Moonshot when shot out the window. Now go ahead and give me an a half tracks. Check Oppose Athletics seventeen He got a twenty three. I'm he picks you up. And he tosses you. Let's do another either athletics or tax. I prefer to athletics thirteen. You GotTa Twenty One. He successfully toss out the window. Moonshine you fall. Take wealth damage in good time. You Land You. Roll your ankle your super her but still up off-balance attempt to throw out the Pal Nor nor save our soul hell rebounder got That's a twenty two right off the bat. Let's so rusk has it. Plus six Rusk beat some rest stops ops in gets low stops them from throwing out boundaries GONNA take an action surge and he's going to try again shouts to the to that is only eight. That's author Balladur. That is let's arrest gets RUSS GAK gets a thirteen but is enough to stop him. That is back around to Hugo's does turn they'll go ahead and just roll a d twenty and this is to start. Doing death saves to see if you need or more so you need to get a ten or higher just random random luck check just roll one hook really seven seven. One fail yet to have three to die so you have one fail that's Routing off your turn I just want to let you know. I think I could kill you right right now. I WANNA I WANNA try it for his crime. Yeah right now. I'm feeling I can't do anything. Then climb start calling me back up all right Shin and you goes mouth them to give him one. More failed. Deaths like you have to fails also you go. I just wanted to Brun you. Did it start climbing. You start climbing back on. Let me just let extract okay. Twelve twelve Okay you you get up a little bit of the ways that is back to hard one death safe. You've that's a nine that's too fails to save any of us that don't have any spells left. Is Beverly Stern ten okay. Great that is rescue. Turn GonNa try to throw bound out the window. Yeah no good luck brother shut up. Your Dad throws successfully throws bound or out the window. You you go. Can we roll like lands yod found nor does take twelve damage though and he's quite hurt now hits it's the ground pretty hard that is concerned about skin of run back and try to climb back up he doesn't let's check he gets up a bit of the ways. That is back up to you. I'm going to try and I'm GONNA climb in and get too hard one so I can do a medicine check. Okay Miami yet no I will take a bonus. Action used the amulet go ahead of a wisdom check medicine. Check to try to stabilize hard. One this will just stabilize awesome right so he wouldn't have to do those anymore. I can't I don't have any Hughes. Twenty four hundred stops doing deaths as stabilized. Okay Hey won't die I will spores Russ Gak for six. Okay sweets. Rusnak is quite messed up up. Get sweet that is we actually skipped UGO UGO grand. GimMe that same with my final one. Come on you go over ten UGO style five. What is what? What is the last thing you say or things says he leaves? You are the I guess to come on the show doc. To around ause this is equivalent to dead. I'd say this is the same set any it bury me at three foot three. Oh my God. It's dead our one your outs Bev. That is your turn. Don't give him a funeral. Thirteen stabilize stable out. That is rusk turned. Russ Gak is going to try to slam moonshine. Okay okay. That's the twenty one to fifteen damage downed bow nor stern. The world rests on your hands. Okay we're GONNA do this. I'm going to do this in front of the table for the fate of the world. Bow Nor verse Russ Gak I. It'll tell you that has eleven. HP Left and bowel nor has six abound are looking amulets nor can look at your Graham. Your second wind okay. First thing bow nor does is second wind gets a D ten plus two points so he gets seven back nor goes back up to thirteen. He looks at Babs amulet and get another ten. They go get your back up to twenty three Balladur. Takes one swing at Ross Gak. He's got to get a fourteen or hired a win on that is is a twelve day. He misses it hurts. The turn. Rusk takes a swing at belmore shoutout to the two crew. That is only an eat to head. Mrs Lucky Ugo Moonshine you also have to row death. Saving throw fail fail L.. Moonshine that is back down to balance for Balladur. Takes another swing at Rusnak shutouts to the two crew. He misses off-balance off-balance Rusk X.. TURN KITS RUSS GAK up and slams him for eleven eleven damage our still standing. He's got no way to heal. Though Balladur is going to swing Russ Gak. I tend to going to fail stern. That isn't that one but he rolls again. He's lucky yeah that's twenty everyone. Ugo being tortured in Hell playing against myself okay foul nor okay so boundaries gonNA rotates and a plus three Sabau needs to get eleven eleven here a total of eleven to kill him in front of everyone save Christmas Bell. Camilla Belle nor wait. It's an aide aid. Oh so he only gets nine. Ballard is nine damage gets Rusnak down to to thank you for taking this seriously bel nor I don't regret anything nor is that twelve. That is Rusk Stern. Rusk still has him. Grappled is going to try to crush bouncer bowel nor needs to do a strength saving throw. Balladur is pretty good restraint saves. He's got a plus five. He's got to get a nine nine or higher on this role to survive off with a sickening crunch. Rusnak power bombs bowel into the afterlife and that my friends is a total party. Kill but we don't know if I ah survive. Rosca goes over and kills you Mary fucking Christmas Happy Total Party kill and Yala polities everyone here where we will accept no my God at least you oh died I was like we're fucked you fuck if we're dying Hugo's not if you know we go we we got to promote Dolan Yes well I. I wasn't expecting this. Yes so Balladur is killed with devastating power rusk goes over and unceremoniously executes each one of the knockdown all in the room. You no no. It's outside Papa. Papa scrambles away at least you couldn't kill him. You Go dwarf is rolled are all fucking fucks. Kills Eleven to Invoke Papa runs around tries to grab a piece of hair from forbid person and scrambles away. Perhaps there's hope for the future may be Papa could somehow get meemaw reincarnated and perhaps pop on Christmas does probably grab a strand of Hugo's hair. No watches this this timeline time-line and it's just like Nah. That's miss with board guys. Who Talk about this over on the page we gotTA total? Is Your holiday. Every episode aiding Amir directly directly got everyone guilt he attacked you. Knocks you out. Then you guys were so mad at him us to every round to fight to try to find him. I I tunes Patriot. Is this what you fucking want. We should have never had a ball oba you. You ruined the dragging also died. That's what's so funny is that nobody would they wanted. Just any of the world go at. He wanted because he doesn't care. If you go live Zardad Zardad not hugo with an age murph off. Jake tapper off the PODCASTS. I'm sorry disgorging outreach. Victories Gone Good Morning Guys. We'll short rest paycheck dot com slash father. Then don't sing. Yeah right okay. Hey guys thank you so much for listening. We got some things to plug ipad slug anything. How could we get anything? We're all day holidays to everyone. Thank you so much and happy Honda days to everybody. I'm here you got anything to just keep listening to this. Show you guys kicking but You Go. I'm sure we'll be back soon. 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115 - You Too Can Barbecue - Stubb's Blues Cookbook Cassette & More

The Kitchen Sisters Present

20:01 min | 1 year ago

115 - You Too Can Barbecue - Stubb's Blues Cookbook Cassette & More

"Radio. Welcome to the kitchen sisters present. We're the kitchen sisters, Dave Nelson, and Nikki Silva, the kitchen sisters present is supported by sun basket, healthy cooking, made easy organic produce cleaning greediest and delicious recipes delivered weekly straight to your door. Sun basket works with the best farms and suppliers to bring you fresh organic produce and responsibly sourced meats and seafoods. Everything is pre-measured and easy to proud. You can get a healthy and delicious meal on the table in as little as fifteen minutes. Sun basket has wonderful dishes shrimp pad Thai with rice noodles and sugar snap peas or fresh fettuccini Primavera with creamy Fateh sauce. If you're watching your carbs and finding it difficult to cook delicious nutritious meals. This is the meal plan for you full of fiber, rich, vegetables and quality proteins. There are paleo gluten-free lean and clean vegan Mediterranean, diabetes friendly and more go to sun bass. Skit dot com slash kitchen. Sisters to get up to eighty dollars off. That's basically getting dinner on the table for less than nine dollars a serving for your first four weeks. Visit sun basket dot com slash kitchen. Sisters to get up to eighty dollars off today. People's I want you to sell it back relaxed jet for awhile. Ladies and gentleman. This program is coming to you live. Right out of the body. Got a very special thing here today on the kitchen sisters presented. We're talking about barbecue. This is the legendary Texas pit master step Stubblefield from his blues cookbook cassette. You know, they tell me that Columbus discovered America. Now, you're going to get an opportunity to make this stuff. And you ain't gonna happen. The ocean across ladies and gentlemen, quitting to term and who worked for stub in Austin in the nineteen eighties. When stub I started marketing his barbecue sauce out of his kitchen. He take Jack Daniels bottles steam off the label and put his own on it along with your bottle of sauce. He'd sometimes get a cassette copy of stubs audio cookbook featuring step backed up by the legendary Jesse Taylor on guitar. Program is finished. You too can say I am a cook. We went to dancing. Remember what we tell you? We're going to go without a numbers. We don't bear with full reloads sausage when maybe are in Texas gathering stories for hidden kitchen series. It didn't take long for just about every story to come back around to barbecue burger. Here's some perspective from one of our favorite, Texas writers, Joe, Nick Petoskey. My name is Joe Nick Petoskey in. I've been writing about Texas for the last thirty five years the way we cook goes back to this idea of digging a hole in the Graham, which is really our connection to the agents are Texas kitchens are not so much hidden, but out in the open that usually means a picnic table, and at the very least a cut in half forty gallon barrel, maybe on stilts, maybe not even digging holes and ground. That's something to all the heritage ethnic groups of Texas Mexican American African American and Anglo American shared that train of doing that. When they cook their mate, we do it outdoors mainly because the heat. Band. I'll done loan and save my so get that by U N eat my pill. Come back home pain bay. When we have how we we get silly shoulder. Make bid pan. Whoa. Mom ain't antiques. After the civil war. There were slaves picking cotton anymore. This army of cotton pickers would descend on Texas as many as four hundred thousand hot and pickers would move in a swarm starting in the lower Rio Grande valley and moving north as the cotton ripened mostly from Mexico. Lot of them lack during the depression, some of them poor whites Oki's as they call them when they got to German towns like Lockhart and Algan the number of cotton pickers was equal to the population of the entire town. They weren't welcome in restaurants. So where were they going to eat and in the German towns, they went to the meat market, while the cotton pickers walking into German meat markets, all the smoke meat and said, hey barbecue, and they supplemented that meal with crackers pickles. Onions, they'd go sit on the. Steps. Eat the stuff on the spot. They don't put it on a plate and give you a fork just put it on a piece of paper, and we think of this as some kind of German tradition, but the truth is without the cotton pickers. There wouldn't have ever been the demand for this mass production of smoke me. I'm rob Walsh food critic for the Houston press. And I write cookbooks about Texas. I was chocking down the street number one day one of my. My God like who decides speak? So I opened the door down in then a look across the car and saw the bad is bad. I ever say stop the price which about barbecue and music, you knew if he wanted to hang out while you're kinda people you got stub Chia bunch of picker jets. You know, it's like camel till watering hole and eat love mutations lose a kind of an archangel. I think what he was. That's what he was never been the same. And I'll never forget the man, and I'll never forget the name. It was the. Uncomedic I'll Gilmore and love it. The very first van that I ever played in was Jesse Taylor and John Reid and Joe Ely and TJ McFarland Jesse blues guitar player. Hey was living over in east Lubbock Lubbock very segregated even now and one day he was hitch-hiking and this big huge black man stopped picked him up. It was stubbed Stubblefield. He had a barbecue joint tiny little dive over there in Jesse started hanging out with stuff, and they just became close, friends and stub had the best jukebox in the world. And how often Bobby blue bland? You know, Latin hoffy is truly wonderful. See we have a bowl and get up. Good at some point Jesse said stub could I bring a few my friends over here and play some music is unusual for a white kid. A black man become close friends. My name is Sharon eighty and I was born in Lubbock, Texas. And then I migrated down to Austin with my husband, Joe ily. Don Colwell would come and play his horn stubs barbecue Terry Allen started coming down. Yeah. Plan and Stevie rive on even muddy waters and Tom t hall, Johnny cash, and all these people I never forget when Linda Ronstadt came, and we took her over to stab since she went and steps kitchen in the back in her little white phthalate reading the slippers and walked through the most barbecue sauce in crested floor. I've ever seen. Stabs was born in Navidad, Texas in his father was a Baptist preacher and stubs used to cook. In the army. He knew how to cook for lots of people. He had this deep beautiful voice just exuded love. And he would get up initially, ladies and gentlemen on. He was stubborn. I'm a cook. Oggy? Well, he was generous to everybody, but he was generous to musicians, and it provided a focal point heaven the place to get together and space around food. It's best around the love of these people for each other. And the end the kitchen announced is the kitchen is the place. Everybody gets together. Stabs would go around to all the different honky counts where all of you guys were playing and he would invite all the musicians over for Sunday dinner. He would go back to his little place in cook like Turkey and dressing, and he would sleep on top of his pool table, we'd find him asleep. The next day when all the musicians would come over and they're sunglasses. You know, stubs would actually have stayed up on cooking. He'd do that over and over again, just free. You know, he was always. Saying I want to feed the world in Lubbock, Texas, the other night and beer and about half tight me and Paul and Jim and again aimed Al we were growing pictures and writing songs sitting there talking before to wrong, Paul Ted will to move this party over the stub. I'm Tom t hall, and I'm strong later country music singer. We had an organization we call the IRS idiots. Rescuing stubs once in a while stubs would go out of innocent, and we'd all get together and raising money and putting them back in business Willie in this club and Waylon and people hung around Texas being stub first of all he had zero business since now mining. Yes, everybody tried to help him in. Eventually we got him to make some barbecue sauce in the kitchen. And then we take it out and sell it to help us all the way from Austin, Texas is CB Stubblefield known as. Stubs all stop. My husband Joey was invited to go sing on David Letterman. And then may got stuff's could come and cook barbecue, he prepared it on stage. How did you become interested in the the science the art the fun of barbecuing longer? My dad stay. Yeah. Eventually stuck ended up coming to Austin, a got his own club, which still continues, and as one of the main music venues here you now it's been long enough that some of the young people that work there, then stub wise. It's really great to kind of revive the memo. I never had any stuff. Great friends. I love him like a brother, but I never told him that I would've vegetarian I go around you from Brad and being, but it would just one stop this year that teaches the lesson if some. The brave day. In phases and stages. Circles and cycles seeds. On scene for my name is be spears play bass with Willie Nelson band started in nineteen sixty eight. When I was little bitty kid. I cooked a an Armadillo out in our Ford hungry accidentally shot a survey or hiding from the low why was raised very poor. And we had some little baby chickens and chicken scratch was like three cents a pound. These sparrows gland and eat all our chicken feed. And my brothers told me I had set on ground and shoot my dad's twelve gauge didn't see surveyors shot and the guy with the transit level screened, and my brother told me so you killed ING. I was dead man at six I was going to the electric chair in mind. So they sent me into exile. And I was out there for about two days. Eating armadillos. We were raised in between. Hello to sin Bandera. It's it's nothing there. We lizards sticks and rattlesnake I was hungry. Heck, I was nine years old for that beans, what meet my mother had Alzheimer's disease when it was first kicking down dad had a garden, and I was saying wow, dad, you sure got a beautiful gardens. Yeah. I've got a poll beings out there, and I've got peppers and some coal Robbie in my mother's going Korn. Tell them about the corn. I remember corn. My dad just kinda roll this is they say, yeah, we got some carrots out there. Spins corn Sam tell them about the corn kinda shake his head. Yeah. We got some radishes and cucumber. I remember corn. And he turned out looked at any said about the corn at the HEB me. Me said that wasn't a corn plan out there. So now, we get on the bus ie making Makino every year. Do we remember corn? If you can't remember corn and your bus. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, pride. Non we? Go vote through the main thing about cooking barbecue. And good barbecue. You got the have something to cook it on that. A barbecue pit, ladies and gentlemen. It's kind of like a beautiful woman. Picked the one you Bank. It's the most beautiful. Grab Gertie of Mela Monroe as long as it's yield. Seconds of that latest gentleman's the wood. Mosquito. Back into that is old. Remote? Would you can't find anymore? Hickory hickory is something that's almost the thing of the past like the Maltese fold next time. You're gonna talk about me. Very important that you know, what kind of. What as bug me? You know? You cannot it's up to chicken pork chop to. Beef beef Turkey Turkey for you have to have the right thing in mind, and believe me, you need to have the right thing in mind when you're making preparations for food. It's very important that you have everything you need. Right. Where you got it, right. In the pit area. You got your meat all cut up pay next time. We're gonna go to here. We're gonna built the chicken. Comedy thing. You find cooking a barbecue pit in home. It's chicken oppa for cooking chicken cut in half this way. You don't have all the little pieces food put the chicken on you have to watch. It. You have to love what you've done you have to have seen for what you. You have to really understand good set of highs and a good good set of. Beans to barbecues like, teen, Texas and Dion Dallas, they go together. Put them on pod watching. Sure, you got the rock and all that other stuff. Fat tack. And. Fail. They'll salt and ten dollars. Member Potter, garlic, masking, messin, whatever you decide. This out. You don't have. Things that it's declared delicious to your barbecue. One thing about being you got the the hydrate. The new gas out of going to get it all through the house at night one. Baking soda move out. All that easy sleep comfortable of night won't. Box. The kitchen sisters present this produced by the kitchen sisters with Nathan Dalton and brandy help mixed by Jim Nikki for more about stub Stubblefield and Oliver hidden kitchens, Texas stories and beyond visit kitchen, sisters dot org. You can also find out about her workshops and special events. And of course, our electric fingers t-shirt at kitchen sisters that were. On vein. A while. The kitchen sisters present is part of radio Tokyo from P R X. A curated network of extraordinary cutting edge podcasts created by independent producers. I want to the world. If you haven't heard it yet, the makers of criminal one of our very favorite shows have a second podcast. It's called this is love, and it was one of the most downloaded new shows of twenty eighteen honestly, the stories in this show will just make you feel amazing about the world they've launched their third season, and it takes place entirely in Italy. The first episode is about a tiny mountain town where since eighteen ninety seven people have come together to join something called the ugly club. We tell me what the criteria for being in the ugly club is what is the test. We have a card where there are different marks. It started with undefined and sufficient, medium, good, great and extraordinary. And of course, we talk about ugliness not beauty nece. So. If you are extrordinary admits that you are exerting every ugly. Would you give me the test course, of course, of course, if you want we can do it right now. Yes. And don't hold back. I mean, I would like to like a real critique here. Okay. And now we have to judge co listen to the whole story by searching for this is love. Radio.

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March 12, 2020: Lewis Stabs Jones

Today in True Crime

16:26 min | 11 months ago

March 12, 2020: Lewis Stabs Jones

"Today is Thursday March Twelfth. Twenty twenty on this day in two thousand nine Brian. Lewis murdered his common law wife Hayley Jones. His motive was unthinkable. Brian claimed he killed his wife over a facebook status. Welcome to today and true crime. Apar- cast original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener. Discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today we're covering the killing of young mother Hayley Jones at the hands of the man. She'd trusted most. Let's go back to Neutra Diga in south Wales to the home. Haley shared with her partner. Brian Lewis and their four children. It was evening and Bryan. Had already been drinking for three hours. Brian had suspected his wife of cheating for the past two years but for the past ten days. He'd been convinced all of the long hours at work. The late night facebook sessions and then the text from co workers in biting her out after looking through her computer. Brian thought he knew everything he was ready to fight to keep his wife. Not that this was new. They fought often. He'd screamed at her. Hit her but nothing helped. She wasn't the girl he fell in love with and he increasingly feared she'd never be that girl again but Brian couldn't understand was that Haley felt the same way. Two years of unemployment had Brian Spiralling into depression. And alcoholism he wasn't the boy she'd fallen in love with or the breadwinner who provided for their family in the years since after thirteen years together Brian and Hayley constantly fought for their former. Tonight was more of the same as their voices escalated. The fighting woke two of their sons Jordan and Qian. The boys listened from the top of the stairs. When she'd had enough of the same circling argument Haley gave op. She was going to bed. She layered on three sets of clothing and snuggled into two sleeping bags. It was cold in Wales colder now that she was sleeping on the couch. Haley tried to set lynn knowing. She was one day closer to leaving her abusive husband. While Haley. Tried to sleep Brian stewed. It was clear his wife wanted nothing to do with him but as he told his friends at the bar if he couldn't have her no one would and he couldn't just let her sleep peacefully while he was angry around four am. Brian picked up a kitchen knife and entered the living room. Haley ignored him from the couch the same way. She'd ignored him every night. For months he hovered over her raise the knife and brought it down on the mother of his children. Haley screamed no Bryan. No I love you. The knife caught in her ribcage stuck. Brian realized this wouldn't be fast. He let go of the knife ignoring the blood. Pooling on Haley's t-shirt he put his hands around her neck and strangled her at the top of the stairs. Their two sons stayed very still confused by the sudden silence. They overheard their father calling the police reporting. I have killed my girlfriend. I strangled her. We had an argument when the boys went downstairs. Their father was gone and their mother's corpse lay on the living room floor. The police and paramedics arrived in a mess of flashing lights and Wailing Sirens. Haley's mother sally lived just blocks away. She heard the sirens. Sally tried to keep her heart from breaking prematurely as she headed to. Haley's house and entered the home to investigate. It was as bad as sally feared. The paramedics declared her daughter. Dead acting fast. Sally rounded up her four grandchildren as she got their things together. Ten-year-old Jordan covered his mother's body with the sleeping bag with Brian Missing. The police put out an all points warning. The husband was suspect number one but there wouldn't be a manhunt tonight within a few hours. Brian turned up at the local police station. His confession was simple. He'd killed his wife his reasoning. She changed her facebook relationship status to single up next. The breakdown of Brian Lewis's relationship with Hayley Jones and how social media may have caused a murder listeners? I'm excited to announce that crime junkies Ashley. Flowers has a new podcast original series. I think you'll really enjoy. It's called supernatural with Ashley. Flowers and you can find brand new episodes every Wednesday. We all know that most mysteries can be solved by looking at the facts but sometimes the facts don't lead to a logical explanation and the truth lies somewhere in the unknown in supernatural with Ashley. Flowers Ashley takes a deep dive into the strange and surreal to explain some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences each week. She'll dig into a different crime or mystery where the most fitting theory isn't always the most conventional from exorcisms to unsolved murders to alien abductions. Ashley will take on. The tails challenged the unexplained and dissect the facts with a heavy helping of skepticism and rationale. So are you ready to get to the bottom of history's most peculiar events? Follow supernatural with Ashley. Flowers free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story thirteen years before her murder on March thirteenth. Two Thousand Nine Haley Jones. I met the man who would kill her. It was a beautiful day at the county fair. Haley was thirteen and wide eyed. Brian was eighteen. Cool and popular. Despite the age gap their friends said they were well-matched psychologist. Adrian see a Mantilla said. Brian always only had eyes for Hailey and Hailey thought Bryan was the love of her life. Two years later she was pregnant. They moved in together thrilled to start a family. Bryant got a good job working on the railway and Haley stayed home with the baby over the next eight years. They had three more children bought a house and built a life. They never legally married but they didn't need to. They were happy until two thousand seven when the economy tanked. Brian lost his job and was suddenly without a way to support his children and pay the mortgage. He struggled to find steady work. Driving the family into debt and fear. Haley's family who all lived in the same small Welsh village of Neutra. Deaker offered to help her mother. Sally even offered to let them move in with her but Brian was a proud man. No one else had the right to take care of his family. Even when he couldn't so Haley took the reins of her own life. She found a job. She was hired as an assistant caregiver at a senior care home. Haley's friends described her as a hard worker and with experience looking after four small children. Haley quickly adjusted to caring for the ill and elderly for the first time in her life. She was making her own money and for the first time since she'd met Brian she was making her own friends. She even bought herself a nice new laptop so she could keep up with them on facebook. As two thousand nine dawned Haley was thriving and Brian hated to see it. He started drinking. More spending. All of Haley's hard earned on beer. He stopped looking for work through distant and mean. Haley began to feel trapped in what had been her perfect life. Facebook became her escape and soon she was spending all hours of the night chatting with friends and looking at photos. This only made Brian Angrier. He hated being ignored and he suspected the late night messages were more than friendly. It didn't help that Haley. Never let him see what she was doing on the computer for the past thirteen years. Brian had always held the power in the relationship. He was older more knowledgeable the breadwinner now that the thirteen year old he'd fallen in love with was an independent woman. He couldn't control her instead of growing up with her. He resented her. Dr. Amanda Maitland. El-amri examined this case in her. Study Social Media as a contributing stressor to intimate partner violence and femicide. She noted that Brian exhibited a common pattern in these kinds of crimes. A sense of sexual propriety. Brian felt entitled to every part of Haley. Therefore her new life and secrecy caused an evolutionary form of sexual jealousy and the only way he knew how to get his power back and keep other men away was to hurt her the first time. Brian hit her. Haley wanted to leave but she worried for her four kids. She had to get them out safely to so she used facebook to secretly talk to her friends and family about escaping her abusive relationship on March. Second two thousand nine. Haley made a big move. Perhaps she was seeking affirmation before standing up to Brian or perhaps she wanted to send him a message either way she logged into facebook and changed her relationship status to single. Brian found out and ten days later on March twelfth. Two thousand nine. He picked up a knife. He claimed he was cleaning his nails and just tapped her to wake her up clearly. Ally a study by Dr Maitland. L. Omri found that knives are strikingly common among social media. Motivated attacks. She notes the sexual connotation of penetration. But there's also visual motive. Someone poisoned could still look good in online photos. Someone stabbed won't even if the victim survived. They'd be scarred forever. On Line and off but Haley Jones would never go online again and Brian. Lewis would soon be banned as well within hours of the murder. The police had Brian in custody. He went to trial the following September. And it took the jury just three hours to hand down a life sentence. Brian remains in prison in the UK will be eligible for parole in twenty twenty three as Hayley Jones knew all too well. It takes strength to leave an abusive controlling partner. But no one has to do it alone. If you or someone you know is a victim of domestic violence. Call the National Domestic Violence Hotline One. Eight hundred seven nine nine seven two three three. There is a way out. Thanks for listening today and true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson for more stories of relationships. That turned criminal. Check out another park. Last original crimes of passion today in true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in True Crime. And all other podcast originals. For Free on spotify not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. Like today in true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify just opened the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. Do you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram? 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Man wearing fake bomb stabs two in London.

THE NEWS with Anthony Davis

06:19 min | 1 year ago

Man wearing fake bomb stabs two in London.

"Coming up on five minute news man wearing fake bomb steps to in London. First Corona virus death reported outside China China and Milan carbon drivers ignore anti-pollution measure. It's Monday in February three. I'm Anthony Davis a man shot dead by police. After he stabbed two people in south London had been released from prison in January. Twenty year. Old Sudesh Chaman was released around a week ago. After serving half of his sentence of three years and four months for Tara offenses he was on the radar of British counterterrorism authorities authorities and had strapped on a fake bomb and stabbed two people on a London street before being shot dead by police on Sunday. In what they they said was an Islamic terror attack. One victim was hospitalized with life threatening wounds while the other suffered less serious injuries in the rampage which took place at around two PM. In the city's stratum area a combined residential and commercial neighborhood. Well removed from the world famous landmarks of central. London officers responded quickly to the stabbings. Because of a proactive counter terrorism operation that was underway as the attacker had been under surveillance silence for some time video from the scene appeared to show three undercover police officers in an unmarked car. Making a quick stop and merging with weapons opens the drama about five miles south of central London marked a departure from recent terror attacks in the British capital that took place near landmarks doc. Such as London Bridge and the houses of parliament Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in the aftermath that the government would introduce fundamental changes to the way people convicted of terrorism offenses treated. He cited Sunday's attack and another at fishmongers hall. In December. As reasons for the changes images shed Shannon's social media showed a man lying on the sidewalk outside a pharmacy. Police said the device strapped to the assailant's body was quickly determined to be a hoax. A third person suffered minor injuries. Apparently from flying glass London Mass Siddiq Khan edged community resolve in the face of another attack. Terrorists seek to divide US and destroy our way of life. He said here in London we will never let them succeed The first death from the corona virus outside of China was reported yesterday and the Beijing government government took steps to shore up an economy hits by travel curbs and business shutdowns because of the epidemic a forty four year old Chinese men. I'm from the city of Wuhan in Hubei Province. The epicenter of the epidemic traveled to the Philippines and died there on Saturday. The Philippines Department of Health said the vice governor of China's Hubei Province said the virus outbreak was still severe and complicated a total of three hundred and four people have died in China. The National Health Commission said yesterday infections in China jumped to fourteen thousand three hundred eighty as of Saturday at least another one hundred seventy-one in cases have been reported in more than two dozen other countries and regions including the United States. Japan Thailand Hong Kong and Britain and Beijing is facing mounting isolation countries introduced travel restrictions airlines suspended flights and governments evacuate their citizens risking asking worsening a slowdown in the world's second largest economy in Beijing. Some moles stayed open during the extended holiday but staff wearing surgical mosques stood outside shops offering to take customers. Temperatures many other stores and cafes in the capital and other cities chose to close authorities tale of effectively quarantined Wuhan Sealing off roads and shutting down public transport the city where the virus is thought to have emerged late last year. We're in a market illegally. Trading Wildlife was about to open two new hospitals for virus patients. One of the entire facilities was built in just eight days. Italian police have handed out one hundred sixty two fines in less than three hours to people. Ignoring a driving ban in Milan the temporary ban started at ten. AM local time and lasted until the early evening in an attempt to curb the city's smog. Problem but within just two and a half hours police were handing out fines of one hundred sixty four euros to those flouting. The ban. Milan was named Europe's most polluted city in two thousand eight and small remains a recurring problem by twelve. Thirty local time on Sunday Sunday. That had been six hundred twenty one checks on people not adhering to the Sunday worte. The ban does not apply to electric vehicles or disabled drivers is. It's not the first time cars have been banned from within city limits. And it's not prove popular with everyone last month. 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The Vampire | Part 2

Monstruo

44:02 min | 1 year ago

The Vampire | Part 2

"What you're about to hear is based on actual events listener discretion is advised? It's getting cold out again. He says wrapping having his fingers on the table The woman name is Ida watches them over the rim of a beer glass they are the stubby hard fingers of a working man man despite the posh way he's dressed. Every strike of a fingertip against the wooden table is muffled by the almost leathery pad of Callus. She raises the beer and takes a sip soon. Enough it'll be snow. Perhaps she replies looking towards the exit. The place seemed popular enough when when they arrived but now the crowds are dwindling. It's very warm here in Dusseldorf though he gives her a sudden harsh. Look not the first of the evening. He is handsome of severe looking but his eyes are the dullish violent blue of a terminally bored man. He seems almost not there. At least I says hoping to quell whatever bad feelings she might have worked. That's what I've heard. Despite his oddness the man had been nice to her she lived hand to mouth since the surrender working three hours from home by train and Bremen. The ruins of the postwar Reich were filled with a starving. We humiliated and the damned and she was just lucky enough not to be one of them. The man had seemed nice when he'd offered her ear ear into bite to eat when he'd run into her on the train platform though the promised meal had been more beer than bread and meat now her head was swimming coming face slightly warm against the bitter chill de Bottom. Would you like to go for a walk. He asks he does not bother looking at her when he he does so. His is moving over the brick walls of the buildings outside the window. She follows them to find what he's looking at sees nothing but the deepening evening shadows pooling outside where the streetlamps Ridge I don't think so she says moving to stand when she stops moving his eyes are are on hers now glittering in the soft light of the table lamp she swallows and sits. The restaurant is terribly empty. Thinks of the hard hands on the table. Fiqh working man's hands creeping from the cuffs of a dandy suit. It's dark not so dark for a walk. Have you been to the KUNST blast. It's just through the half guard a truly beautiful building along the Rhine. He pauses houses for a long second. Never looking away from her. She sips her. Beer may be your last chance to see your so busy traveling. The way you do. Do she finishes the Beer Ernest and looks around the restaurant again. I don't really want to. She says I I insist he replies her hands curl tighter around the glass. I think it would be very classless of you to accept. Set my offer after treaty to meal. Fine she says. Though softly he smiles a slide. Curling of Lebanese has tightened moustache. He likes them. Other men she knows has adopted the squares facial hair of the leader of the growing National Socialist Workers Party the magnetic air. Hitler looks good on him. She thinks but like everything else about the man it seems false almost is cultivated like growth on rock accepts his offer a grudgingly and they leave. She makes one stop beside a table where an older woman Manila husband or having Dinner Ida tells the woman she has a lovely scarf in the woman distracted until the moment she sees Ida's uncomfortable body language. Thanks for the compliment and you have such lovely hair my dear what a nice shade of Brown the woman says looking over IDA carefully thank you I says perhaps a touch too earnestly then they are gone. Their steps are loud on the tight. Street's leading between the old buildings and the heart of Dusseldorf. It's dark enough now. That only the sky seems to have any light leftover over the black canopy of trees off guard. The park is more like a tunnel. Now at the end of the street they walk inside a short way and she pauses light of the street lamps. Do not reach the man's eyes. I want to go back. She says I'm sorry if it's rude but I'm afraid of the dark. He says nothing though. He does stop walking now. She can see only the most stark planes of his face. Yellow and still L. Beneath the gentle brushing of the leaves overhead the Rhine so close. Now it's just a steady annoys eventually. He nods that's fine he says and she sighs with relief turning and walking quickly out of the woods it is in the second that she realizes he. He's not walking beside her that the pain comes intense. Immediate and then fading to a dull nonfeeling more horrifyingly distant and simple numbness. Her face is on the pavement. She realizes this cold and covered with sharp grit. That rolls underneath her cheekbone. As she's dragged across she wants to closer. I even half lit it as it is but it won't respond. She feels like a drunk passenger looking out. The train. Windows of her own is is the painful scratching of the pavement gives way to the softer rub of grass beneath their skin. Then again more pain as grass gives way to the dirt rocks roots of the shrubbery beside the path. Then grass again a meadow. She knows the one she's seen it. Before a dozen times the man flips are over and she's staring up at the sky unable to focus on him or anything there are no stars. But rather the gentleman broken crescents of low. Oh clouds catching the city. Lights is a greater shadow inside of them infinitely black and absence. The soul of the universe that stands over her maw open ready to chew men's voices she can hear men's voices and their footfalls on the path where just moments ago she was walking with his creature. Creature G madge herself screaming and then the Pause and Son Commotion. The men realize what is happening burst through the bushes and into the meadow. This Dandy Dandy Dan his workman's hands. He would see them coming only for a moment before they fell upon him beating him senseless and dragging her back out to the light but our tongues sticking her throat she cannot so much whimper even still demand puts his heavy hand over her mouth while both of them. Listen listen listen to the men and last television striding away into the night thinking only of the lights of Dusseldorf from the taste of beer perhaps and not aww lingers in the shadows beside the path he removes his hand she works to spit up in her mouth he watches her his head cocking to the side like a curious cat me in peace. She says her more. It's more of a Croak than anything. No Louder and truth in the brushing tall heads of dry grass in the October wind he says nothing raises the hammer over his head. She can see that is what it is the shape the thing is unmistakable. She thinks it is pitifully. Small for one of his done to her square headed hammer. The black sides of it are as dark against the sky is is all the rest of the man holding it. Then it falls all Nelson's paranoid ice she lays in pieces upon the table insides out and on display detective pfeiffer stands in the doorway to the autopsy room a handkerchief clasped over his mouth his glare flits from the dinner to Burg and then he shakes his head. My God he says what. Have you done to our cutter all the part. It seems the diener says in a mocking voice. Drawing the detectives glare as while intensifying it honestly never seen the stages of our work I asked holding in his hands for the dealer to remove his gloves. They are slicked with bits of black and blood and other KLIESCH reddish fluids. The detective can't quite place though. The man is seen the results of what feels like a half a million murders. Here's the site before him is something to behold. The woman has been rendered down to her skeleton and most places sparing only your arms legs beneath her hips. The flesh and all other places peeled back and held steady in some parts with pins weights. Her skull is clean White Leeming and terribly terribly terribly broken. I fought in the war. The detective says Oh was it terrible Burg asks offhandedly. I'm sorry mm-hmm yes. The detective says now looking at him and God knows I've seen such things between that and the lowest streets and city that keep most most men up night this though this this is beyond simple nightmares Berg. He steps closer looking the split open body over mm-hmm. The dead woman's organs have been remanded to waist bags that lay in tidy piles insider torso. It's the beauty of it. That stops me sometimes. Sometimes Burke says stepping up beside the detective the clockwork of all of us is quite credible. No matter who we are we are born here or some Slavic Attic country or even South America. We operate much the same fashion second quick slow but always on time till that final strike of the hour he points to the cratered remains of the woman's skull. Detective pfeiffer sees the brain is no longer in place and that the broken sections of skull have been individually marked in alphanumeric fashion a twelfth B. Three C. Six all down to the pieces too small number they rest on what seems to to be a leather skin of water pressed into the skull to keep them in place where her brain pfeiffer asks Berg blinks than points to chest cavity. Oh in with all this but it's not when I brought you into see well. The damage to it is the cause of death in this case East. But that's all beside the point. I wanted to show you this amidst the puzzle together. Ruins of the woman's skull are several square impressions. All circled with black marker. They are numbered in order from one to nine number. Four is clearly the most fatal burke says pointing to the Mark Circle with his pet. But any of these would have killed her and time post-mortem inspection of the brain showed extraordinary contusions in the same position as the strike marks along the left side of the skull moving from anterior. He points to the closest strike mark two and then moved to the furthest back marked one all all the way to the posterior is finger hovers over strike one. This strike in particular is notable for the shape of the depression in the bone. Do you see how the impression Nara isn't even how it's deeper alongside the interior edge. The detective looks closer holding up his thumb to match the angle of the Depression in the skull then he holds it up in front of his face looking at it a long while before talking he touches the back of his head she was hit from behind then detected pfeiffer asks yes burke says stepping back and swinging his right arm up into the right slowly from his left hip my this I believe. After pulling the weapon from his Coder waistband possibly and the angle of the impression suggests the strike was perfectly level on a woman that tall detective pfeiffer says to himself he bends over the corpse and hold deserves to the side until they're hovering over the corpses toes and head. I guess get would have to be about one point. Six one point seven meters then. Berg nods scratches his chin. I'd say though she's touch taller now having laid out like this for a while he adds finishing the sentences though only talking to himself and how that brings us to strike number two here on the anterior skull. He pulls on a fresh glove gingerly. Fold the triangular piece of flesh back into the place of the dead woman's right cheekbone. pfeiffer lifer shifts uncomfortably when he sees a small freckle in the dead woman's skin but his attention moves quickly to the series of vertical scrapes. Running the side of the woman's face dragged he guesses and Berg nuts. The officers on the scene our guest. She was moved to the banks of the ride after he. I guess guess finished yes. Burg says most of that was on her back however these scratches are from four she died. I believe the way the damage skin gain was freely. Bleeding was obvious when we were cleaning her which leads me to believe she was hit here. Strike one from the back. Then she fell and he dragged her I I suppose somewhere more private and flips her onto her back in the process. Detective pfeiffer looks over the order of the strikes the two stands out starkly in the front of the head head so she's on her back and he's what kneeling or standing over. Then he hits her here he points distract number two and then her head moves to the side of the starts hitting or repeatedly given the tight grouping flat angle of impact. Yes I'd ride say. He was kneeling over her most likely. Straddling her here at the hips. Burg says touching his own flanks and flattening his doctor's coat coating process he pauses. I think he wouldn't finish her without being very close as close as possible. Brealey pfeiffer size is so this is the same man. He looks the woman's skull over one last time. I thought you said he was using scissors. Now he's got a hammer burg nuts. Autopsy of the Vaginal Canal showed some sexual assault occurred in the moments after death. Just as with the other female victims he says giving the corpses sombre look similar wounds caused by fingernails scraping interior walls and the presence of some quantity of semen. Are you sure it's it's the same person each time. The detective asks there is a rhythm to these murders that doesn't occur with the others that come across my table like the clockwork nature of the human organism. Each of these killings is almost identical. Save for a few errands seconds here. And there. Each case there is an incapacitating incapacitating strike or action offense a single blow to the head in the area of the temple but when the situation isn't right believe it he foster strangulation -regulation. Then he either drags the victim to a secluded place or if it's private enough. He begins his period of stunning violence. Burke points thanks to the cluster of blows that killed the woman. Many stab wounds many hammer blows and some cases a prolonged and vicious strangulation but always the period of incredible credible violence. Burg says he classes hands behind his back. This I think is what he wants from them or rather from the experience this is why they are incapacitated. I so that this moment is clarified. Isolated like saving in your favourite bite of a sandwich for the absolute end of your lunch. It is gratifying. It shakes his head looks at Pfeiffer for this causes sexual release for the salient and then the post mortem desecration of the victim. Then there's usually some attempt to conceal concealed body sometimes burning but often a dragging of the corpse to some low place. But that's something most any criminal common or otherwise might do the trucks. That is the pattern taking this animal isolation of victim incapacitation with decisive solitary blow further isolation assimilation and then the furious murder and sexual exploitation of the corpse is gays is intense. That is the man when we are looking for. Berg concludes detective for sized deeply and again looks at the remains of the young woman from this angle. All the parts he sees could belong to anything anything at all. It's fascinating all that the detective says too bad. You can't give me a hair-color from a hammer blow or better yet. An address height is a good start but he's average at best in the city. Those hammer marks though when he walks back to the head of the table and looks more closely. How have you do you think that thing was i? Suppose is Burke scratches his chin. It looks at the ceiling. Well the penetration of the skull and soft tissue wasn't fairly significant. Despite how slender the HAMMERHEAD is by not say it was a light hammer hammer. Probably just six seven hundred grams possibly kilo. But I'd have to say if he couldn't do more damage than that with a kilogram hammer. Then he wouldn't have been capable of the strangulation damage. I've seen on the other bodies alight hammer swollen very very hard pfeiffer says nodding after after a long pause he points at the wound. That's a riveting hammer. Then or maybe a bricklayer's hammer but I'd put my money on riveting. Maybe that's where our man got his weapon Burg offers possibly but just as likely he stole it from a construction site. You're hell even founded in the garbage and there are far far more rivers out there than Taylor's it'd be impossible to checkable then I am afraid. We are at the end of my expertise. Detective burr excess putting his mass back on and holy in his hands to the diener for gloving when the man obliges him and put his own gloves on as well. I wish I could be if more help. You've been helpful by for says. At least we have some idea where to look though God I wish she were wrong about this killer of yours of ours is well detective. Burke says pulling the dead woman's face back into place over skull the stitch work required to prepare her for the mortician. We'll take the rest of the a day calls to Pfeiffer who stops and turns. I am shore though detective. I am sure this man will. Mike o'clock clock continue striking midnight until we found some way to interrupt his cycle and only death or capture. I think we'll do the trick with with that. He turns the corpse of a woman wants named item and begins the long process of undoing all his difficult work. The detective watches him a moment longer. And it turns to the door tent to leave him at that The days led by with the same stuttering. Sort of flicker that sometimes blinds has is when the headaches calm. They're women throughout the winter with grows dark and cold for all the world's the Great Western economies collapsed. One after another like dominoes I falls America with its corrupt and Jewish controlled stock exchanges. Then comes the rest of the anglophone countries the science of the soul rotted British empire and then the rest of Europe. Few countries are spared week as they already are from the reparations rations of the Great War the hungry dispossessed fill the streets. There's like some great damage. Misery held up only with mud and sticks suddenly broken and filled all the gutters of Europe with blood. On every corner there are Bolsheviks Communists Marxists Socialists Fascists and dozens of smaller splinter splinter organizations. All of their ranks filled with young angry. Men and women students disenfranchised veterans the country never thanked as heroes villains wearing new shirts than they did a decade ago. Now forgiven and standing tall atop so boxes. Old President Hindenburg is increasingly. Frail and over eighty eighty years. Old Rumors are that he is no longer in charge of the country. And that if he is it is only nominally. More and more questions of national interest are being settled by local leaders given autonomy through emergency declarations and everywhere. There is talk of how much influence Hitler does. Minority National Democratic Socialist Party are beginning to wheeled spite their small size but people are more and more agreeing that at least Hitler his mad ways and arresting charisma and with his laughable policies arguable understanding of history and law. They are agreeing that perhaps he may be the only man in Germany who can open the factories victories again. It is against the wall of one of these factories. Peter Stabs a young girl to death. He does with her body what he does with the others often so tired by the time he finished his. He just wants to fall asleep but he doesn't he never does. Peter's World is insane flickering of broken movie projector. His nights are dark and filled with a taste of blood. The heady excitement of the kill the economic collapse litter the streets with fresh meat for him or wants he had exercise even a little caution. His hunts now he prowls with abandon Within one day he kills two women on the same street corner wars. He bludgeons with his little hammer or so he thinks until he reads the paper the next day and sees one of the women survived. More of them. Are doing that these days because the hammer just doesn't have the effectiveness of the scissors. They stabbed deep can wounded badly. The Hammer was small and light effective but only to a point. He reads the paper every morning now. Marveling his deeds creeping up from the front page to compete with much more important world news headlines Proclaiming that the people's frustration with the police has reached its limit set beside sometimes over top of articles about the deepening economic comet crisis threatening to tear the world to pieces possibly even setting off another great war when it ended they call it the war to end all wars the powers that be but if they had the chance to follow him on his nightly walks see the gripping power of the blood to hear the failing hearts beat their last the steady spot spot spot of blood from the wound then they would know how foolish an idea that was they would understand the purpose of blood flow. He kills more women throughout the winter. Perhaps half of those attacks some see it coming even a mile away but when he flashes a little coin coin and promises a hot meal the hunger is too much he can see. The commonsense warnings flashing behind there is but still they come along still they obey if he beats them and he rapes them and he kills them he comes home and cleaves up and then does all again. It is at a point where he doesn't doesn't quite know if he enjoys it anymore the way he did nearly days when it was fresh and new to him steady taken of lives and the release that followed and not even pinpoint the best of days was but he is sure he can never stop he does not see how it is possible. Uh or why he would even try they may never catch him and things are only getting more insane in the streets or chaotic. The browns shirt gang start fights with communists and Jews and streets chatting as much blood and an itis. He doesn't a month. The police must contend with this and also with common hungry men murdering for food common hungry women being murdered for food children. He's never seen nor touched going missing for reasons unknown to normal citizens but that he understands and there are others like him in this age of electric lights and deep cityscapes. You can feel them out there. Sure they can feel him as well he sees sees their work in the papers beside his own. Sometimes knowing it for what it is even if the police newspaper men and everybody else doesn't he can see the passion Russian. The rage ecstasy in the spaces between the lines and thirty years of this new century. There is no doubt something has shifted and there is an uncapped hole in the heart of the world now whole from which monsters creep loose to eat and rip and tear and take he reads the paper Yes. He knows he's not alone. What are you smiling about his wife? Chides him from her place at the sink he he looks up at her over the seam of the trouser pocket. He's mending his beloved hammer so faithful until he broke it over the skull of some skulking and now dead Hor is retrievable. Gone One. He's gone back to his old scissors but had forgotten the night before and accidentally pierced his pocket with the things after using them the papers told him the woman had lived. What she thinks is insane? Considering how badly he stabbed her but something couldn't be helped thinking of France. He says they they might laugh. I told him how I got this foolish hole in my pocket. He sticks his finger through it and wiggles at ATR. She laughs though she might not. If she saw the bloodstains he'd cleaned away before. She got home. Are you going out tonight. She asks just a short walk most likely he says my ahead is feeling better. Lately it is to a degree he has medicating himself and his way with abandoned and truth he can hardly feel anything at all. Mostly just a sort of giddy euphoria. They chat for a while though he can remember nothing of the talk later his his mind drifts as it always does when he's trying to find a victim and find a victim he does though she somebody else's pray at the moment he thinks of his earlier earlier hypothesis that there are others like him and realizes that is what he is witnessing action. The woman has all the body language of the future victim rank confusion fusion as she clutches her oversized bag against her and looks over the buildings around her. It's a sort of bag. A woman takes traveling to a city for a few days. Peter knows which she thinks won't make her stand out as transient. Peter follows them down alleys and around street corners though the areas well lit he knows all all but abandoned he in fact passes at least one of his own old bloodstains on the ground as he walks this gone now washed away by time and rain gene but he remembers it. That is all that matters then happens to the balance of the walk head of him changes. The man grabs the woman above. Oh for elbowing tries to drag her down in embankment. He will have her in a second. The way he's using the angle of the ground to leverage her off her feet. Peter can see something of himself l. from the man. Technique is not rougher. Ill practiced girl will be raped possibly worse without intervention. Hey he says you almost failing to stifle a laugh. This is more exciting. By far the one of his average killings. It is the mad dash at another predators meal. MM-HMM CRIPS the scissors in his pocket. Not Knowing what to expect but moving forward with is wide and glittering in the streetlight help the woman calls it is the first time he's ever heard the cry directed in his direction and by far the first time he's ever seen it answered. What are you up to? He asks asks there's a confused moment where the man looks at him really looks and Peter Shore he sees a feral sort of recognition. There the woman tells those Peter Her name is Maria and she doesn't know the man he is supposed to be leading her to his sister's address but Peter Clarifies the address and questions on the other side of town down. The man looks them both over Peter Much longer than leaves quietly. Should we just let him go. Maria Asks Peter Shakes his head and gift. Some excuse truth he can't be bothered with the police that the woman never asks him why. He's in a deserted part of town. This time of night. Almost sets him into a fit of hysterics. Almost Maria tells him a story. He's her time and again that he already knew she would tell him before she started talking. She is a stranger in town looking for work and a place to sleep. The man took advantage of her telling her she could sleep at his sister's place while looking for work such a tragedy. Peter surprises himself by asking. If she liked to stay at his house. There is a thanks. The possibility she'll fuck him stanks rescuing her that is the least he could expect he figures given what he's likely saved her from the man she'd been with was half his equal would have been terribly terribly rough but she says she won't sleep with him when they arrive at the stairs to his apartment nervously ASLI rubbing the space above her elbow. She polishes for this tells him she's not that Kinda girl then she asked. There's another place he might be able to take her to sleep sleep. Sure he says regretting taking the risk of bringing this woman here while his wife is at work. I've got somewhere I could take you. They go to the tram station and ride. Though he's shore she's lost. It is all working perfectly until he bumps into Marco drunk who picks up the occasional job at Peter's worksite. Peter had thought very little of Maria till she pushes past him to shake the man's hand repeating her name at least twice when introducing herself and Marco gives her an odd long. Look then pats Peter Shoulder and finds a seat on the other side of the tram. Peter Walks through a mostly desolate. PART OF DUSSELDORF DWARF. Finally walking past the last of the houses out of light stands quietly for a long time thinking about her feeling the old urges replacing facing the temporary rush of playing hero. He looks at her and she opens her mouth to say something maybe to ask where exactly he is taking her. He wraps his hands around her throat and squeezes hard her fingers claw at the back of his hands trying in vain to pull them away way. Her face is turning red. Her head is back faced raised to the sky. Shut up he says. Just shut up. Let me we do this. The urge to finish her faint though his mind is wandering to the thought of her standing in front of his apartment door of her introducing herself to that Idiot Idiot Marco then he lets her go. She stumbles away from him coughing and holding her hands up. It's something I have to do. And he tells her I can't help it he clears his throat and points at his own neck looking around the street. Would you like to do to me. Say she says between coughs are you are you okay. He asks yes. She says she keeps her eyes on the pavement. There's no possible way to kill her. He knows none at all and worst of all the urge to do gone faded as though it was never there. He feels impotent. While he says while go to Dusseldorf I suppose good luck finding employment he pauses for a long while and they both look look at each other. He says he does Uh I thought she leave well enough alone. Heater says leaning against the wall of the cell but it wasn't even a week before I walked into my apartment for work SAR down there in the street felt the urge. Then believe me but it was broad daylight. What could I do? uh-huh Berg Nods jots down notes on his pad as Peter. Talks never interrupting saved to keep the conversation on track. Peter Raises His hands and wriggles the shackles enough to make noise aside from those accessories. He looks as well kept as is ever every hair in place even as prison uniform as almost military in its appearance. What sparks it? Is there a specific trigger to this urge. Berg Asks Peter Chuckles you move as well ask me. Why get thirsty Mr? You're hungry there is the need in this insatiable of filling it of it being unfulfilled. The stomach has limits. I can only drink eat so much but the limits on the urge itself my need for killing for pay those were merely the limits of my person. If I were in charge of a rail station I would derail trains and stand beside the wreckage is closed and ears ears. Open listening to the stifling sales of the Diet if I were in charge of this country God the things I might accomplish. So there's no emnity it's personal. I wouldn't say that either he continues. It feels terribly personal. The connection is more absolute in my mind than between Sam Mother and her child. That's a fairly extraordinary claim. Burke says think how many my victims had mothers do love them. Then Kenan your fingers. How many that loves saved? Peter says flatly bird nods grudgingly and then jots a few additional notes in his book. But there's nothing in your childhood something like that Burg Asks. Peter rests his head against the wall and closes his eyes. My father would rate my sister's casually most nights he says S. awards come out automatically. These were not madly violent acts such as in my own later life but such simple commonplace unemployed atrocities day escape the notice of anyone who might have intervened on our behalf I was forced into. Congress was my sisters as well at Father's orders and I enjoyed it more when they squirmed and didn't WanNa do it to them but I would be beaten until I did and so in this way I was punishing seeing them for the inconvenience that caused me as well. He touches the links on his wrists. I've told you about goose. I know but that that was something of a one off experience. I would more often sneak onto the farms and neighbors to fuck their livestock. Sheep were perfect because they were just the right height the kit. You wouldn't outright break your leg. I would stab them with a little penknife. I kept on my person that let let them drag me around until I finished. He pauses for a long time looking hard at Burgh. Does none of this bother you. Peter asks bird raises eyebrows and then removes his glasses he nibbles at the end of one arm for a moment looking at the ceiling. Yes yes and no. Berg finally says replacing his glasses. It's all disgraceful in disgusting but you've done. I feel both the victims. You've debased as well as you. He pauses tapping his pen on the page in his book. Despite all my hard work all all the hard work of the detectives it wasn't the authorities that caught you not really. It was just coincidence. He stands awesome stretches checking his wristwatch. I believe there is something wrong with you. In fact I know there's something wrong But not what it is. Perhaps when I open you up after your execution I'll be able to find some clue poking around in that brain of yours. Peter raises his eyes at this. But doesn't interrupt you. Don't save the nation from Ireland disease with the cure most often but with the vaccination. Maybe we'll develop something of that nature from studying you. A nice thought in any case. Peter says there are others like me out there you know. And I don't think things would have ended much differently for me if I've been raised in an orphanage injure by some wealthy loving family. Whatever is in the is in me just as it is and then their doctor? You've you've only got to read the morning paper to see how true it is. Burg moves to the door and Peter caused him one last time. Tell me Dr Burke before you open me up when they cut off my head might I still be able to hear and see. Yeah Asks Bird. Turns turns to him. There is some evidence. The brain retains most functionality for a few seconds after the head is severed by the Guillotine Burg says. I suppose in that case you'll hear and see quite a lot. He pauses fairly savage. When you think about it so I will be held to here? The blood spurting from my own. Nick Di Peter Says to himself as Burgh leaves that will be the pleasure to end all pleasures. The guard leads Berg out of the Labyrinth prison to the more brightly lit front desk. The diener is waiting for Burg alleged. Date like the ones they used to have the referring to the diener as anything but her platz would now be rude. He has moved up far in the world since curtains arrest though that had little if anything to do with it no far more persuasive. Power now guides platz Haber. He says smiling raising a hand to his old mentor. PLATZ PLATZ is wearing a sharp black suit replete with an almost military short haircut. Lebron's cross shaped badge on his left Lapel before Berg can respond the guard at the front desk. Whom PLATTS has been speaking to stands and extends his arms straight out to Burg Heil Hitler? He says snapping his boot heels together the greeting stops Berg in his tracks. He opens opens his mouth slightly and gives his former diener platz confused look the guard. Meanwhile begins to stare at Burgh for not returning the greeting. I'LL HITLER PLOT SAYS RETURNING THE GUARD's Salute. He touches the younger man on the shoulder. Berg is an party member not yet at least. But he's a good and honest chairman Platt smiles and the guard follow suit nodding to them and then sitting thing to resume his duties hours. Things Berg tells him how things are though. He feels slightly disoriented as they walk. Doc He thinks of curtain and the awful man's warning of there being others like him out there what he said he'd be capable bubble of if he ever had an entire country under his thumb. And instead of just another scared woman. Alone Monster is an incongruity production. Shen if you've enjoyed this experience please subscribe and leave a positive review. Please support our sponsors. You can find out more by searching for monster podcast on on facebook twitter and instagram or visit us at monster. PODCAST DOT COM. The show was written and hosted by Jack Luna Tyler Bell L.. And Mike Day Sound Design by Jonathan McMichael and Robert Ravelli original score by Leon. Rogers art by Jake Peres executive producer. Mike Day

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Episode 5: Conflicting Stories

CounterClock

31:06 min | 4 months ago

Episode 5: Conflicting Stories

"Someone Fatally Stabs Stacy Stanton inside her apartment on February third. This was violent brutal. On February third, Nineteen Ninety someone brutally murdered twenty eight-year-old Stacey Stanton inside of her second story apartment in North Carolina. Then cleaned up and disappeared the residents of manual have lived in fear. For thirty years, Stanton's killer has had one face and one name North Carolina investigators in mania police believe that someone is Clifton Spencer. But his prejudice, they absolutely have tunnel vision that it was the black man who killed the white woman keeping an innocent man convicted. NASA. Go. Good old. Man. And covering up more than one crime. For that guy I just really seriously. thinking. This is counterclockwise the investigation into the murder of Stacey Stanton. I'm your host Delia Dan. Mike, Brandon Stacy's ex boyfriend knew how to get into Stacey's apartment without having a key that is according to Joni, Newman and Susan corn ten women who were friends with Mike and Stacey and were in the Green Dolphin pub, the night before Stacey was killed. For some reason on the morning of February third. Mike told these women that he chose to go by Stacy's apartment but not enter at said that he had taken the coastline times of to her front door and laid it on the staff or some shit like that and excuse my language. And I couldn't understand why he would do that. And not going in because he knew how to get in without having a key. In his interview with police. Mike told detectives that he woke up early on Saturday morning and walked the short distance from Johnny's house over to Stacy's apartment. When he got there, he noticed her newspaper at the bottom of the steps. So we walked up and said it down near the base of the porch door and left he stated adamantly that he never went inside. But based on a conversation Susan had with Mike. After the fact Susan believes Mike did go inside that morning. I was left with the impression that he. that morning went to stacy's aspirin. Grab paper went in and found her he conveyed that to me and we never really did have any long discussions about. Did you ever wonder why if Mike had seen stacey dead that morning why he wouldn't have called the police right then and there it wasn't until two o'clock that stacy was found because his. Involvement and? Relationship with law enforcement, all of his life and his dad, he had a really horrible childhood and. I think he started getting locked up at twelve or thirteen and spent most of his youth and what at the on the wrong into law so there's no way he would have. No I'm not surprised. So. Essentially, what Susan just told me is that Mike conveyed to her that he went inside the apartment and saw stacey dead but didn't call police because he had a criminal history and fear of law enforcement. I wasn't sure I. believe that one hundred percent though. If Susan is right and Mike did go inside Stacy's apartment and see her body but just not tell anyone why would he have been so quick to speak to police on scene at three thirty later that afternoon. If he was apprehensive of or didn't trust the COPS, why would he have showed up at the crime scene at all? Why would he have given them a statement? Why didn't he just let them do their jobs and track him down later? It just didn't seem to add up to me. Despite Mike's questionable behavior. Susan still doesn't think he was involved in the killing. I really think Mike Brandon was who? Everybody thought that much more. So than than cliff. No because I knew Mike. Joni Newman and her brother David don't feel the same way about Mike David was in the pub the night before the murder and he and Mike were somewhat friends. Did you ever talk to Mike about this. Did he ever talk about it again with anybody? Not, because I was scared to say anything to ingles and Syria. Cuthbert. Everybody thought he did it and our people in the community like if we were all out together, they say stuff to him. So I don't I. Don't know. I don't think it was random. I just don't I think. I just always thought my it. The one thing Susan Joanie and David agree on is that they've never thought Clifton is the murderer. He was charged fairly quickly and. I don't know the fact that he pled. No contest was always an issue with the people around here. You know we just didn't see named. Never thought, he did it. Oh. Thought he was awesome. Did you ever feel that Clifton was involved in this not at all why? He just didn't seem like the type and that night he was I mean he warned Dronka seen in playing pool. Is always had good manners. I. Mean. He just didn't seem vicious enough to do something like that. These interviews so far were good but they're just three people in a very large pool of witnesses that were around in February nineteen ninety. I needed to know what everyone else who was questioned by police said they did after the crime. I spent hours poring over literally thousands of pages of documents on this case, and when I was finally done I realized that there were some serious discrepancies in several people's stories. But most important of all was a revelation I'd uncovered about Tina Stacy's co worker who was the person who discovered the murder. For the longest time I kept noticing her name and reports as just being Tina. No last name. But there was one handwritten paragraph from a deer county sheriff's deputy that had her full name written out some Tina's legal name in nineteen ninety was Evelyn Christina Bass. But I did a little digging and found out that bass was her married last name. According. To her marriage license, her maiden name was Evelyn Christina Brandon. Yeah in other words, Tina is Mike Brandon's sister. When I found this out I almost couldn't believe it I. Mean What are the chances that the person who goes to check on stacy and finds her murdered is the blood relative of the guy who dated Stacey and was involved in some sort of love triangle with her Now that I'd uncovered this detail about Tina. I. reread her police interview transcript about a dozen times I compared her version of events to Mike Patty and Joni statements and discovered key differences. Differences that leave a chunk of Mike's time in whereabouts unaccounted for. People ask me all the time. How do you juggle producing and hosting? 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When you're teamwork is effective nothing can stop you to start your free fourteen day trial go to Monday dot com today. On the night of February second leading into the early morning hours of February third. Mike Patty Tina and Joanie were altogether at the Green Dolphin Pub Mike told police that between eleven thirty and eleven forty five he left the bar by himself to go on a five minute walk. He said he needed to get away from Patty and only a few blocks from the bar. He specifically said, he didn't go to Stacy's apartment but no one ran into him while he was out. So he was his only witness. Tina told investigators that she remembered my leaving the pub for his walk but emphasized he was only gone five minutes. Now, here's where I found the first discrepancy. Patty told police that Mike left the bar, but she didn't see him again fifteen minutes not five. Mike told Patty later that he'd walk all the way to Tina's house in a development called. Harbour town. Harbour town is still around today, and if you map it from the green dolphin pubs old building it's exactly a thirteen minute walk. Patty told police that shortly after Mike. Walked out of the pub and didn't return her Joni Tina and a man with Tina named Terry left the bar into cars joanie and patty got into Johnny's truck and Tina and Terri got into Tina's car. A few minutes later Patty says that Tina Terry and Mike show up at Johnny's house together because Tina had swum by pick my cup because he had walked Tina's apartment. Here's where there's another discrepancy with that story though. Patty statement is completely different than what Mike and Tina told police. Mike and Tina. Mentioned anything about Mike Walking to harbour town. Their version of events keeps Mike with the group at the bar but patties version has mike absent from the bar from the time he left for his walk until he shows up at Johnny's house. On top of that Mike and Patty both told detectives that when the group left the bar everyone got into two vehicles but Tina said the group left in three vehicles. So either, Mike, went to his sister's house or he didn't it can't be both. There were either three cars that the group left in or they were too. It can't be both. These kinds of conflicting details might just be a bunch of drunk people's bad memories but to me, the inconsistencies should have raised questions for the FBI agents working the case. Nowadays Joni says, she can't set the record straight on any of this. She says many years of drinking and drug use have made it impossible for her to recall specific details like how many cars they drove or exactly how long Mike was gone from the pub. Was Plenty of drug use and a Lotta drinking i. mean that's what we did. We hung out in bars and did drugs all of us. Do you remember Mike leaving the bar for a period of time and then come. Do Honestly Think I. DO remember that I don't know how long or the time Saquon. What really frustrates me is that the guy named Terry. who was mentioned by everyone is being with Tina is only given a first name police never interviewed him and there isn't a single transcript or document with his full name on it Joni says, she has no clue who he was. I don't know carry him. And he was never spoken to by police that I can find I can't find a single interview with him and so do you know of anybody that would have been with Tina that night? That was a man? A mile trunk about. Terry. Because both Tina and Patty say his name. The only proof that I could dig up that Terry existed and was actually seen with Mike Joni Patty and Tina is a brief interview transcript from a gas station clerk. According to Mike after hanging out at Johnny's house for a little bit. He and Terry drove together to a convenience store in Manlio around twelve fifteen in the morning. were making a beer and Cigarette Ryan. When they got to the store Mike had forgotten his ID and the clerk denied the sale. Mike Got Upset and slam some items on the counter in frustration. Terry ends up using his idea to buy beer cigarettes and a bottle of V8, juice. Then the two men leave the clerk testified to all of this in her statement to investigators. So that's how I know. There was definitely another man with Mike I just don't know exactly who he was. Like I said, before the police documents I have show Terry was never interviewed and Patty didn't talk much about him in her statement either she only explained that the V. Eight juice he purchased at the store was for her. She said by the time, the group was at Jones, she'd stopped drinking for the night because she was pregnant. That's one reason I tend to think Patty's version of events could potentially be more accurate. Unless she was outright lying to the FBI agents. Her memory is probably clearer than everyone else's because she wasn't drinking as much alcohol. In all of this, the SBA agents tried to navigate the truth. But instead of comparing these people's statements side by side and grilling them on these blatant discrepancies, agents chose to do polygraphs. At the start of their investigation, the SBA I had only made Clifton and his essential Alibi Wayne Morris take a lie detector test but now that was changing. My offered to take a polygraph the afternoon of February third and repeated his offer again when he was questioned for a second time that night But, the S B I didn't actually perform a polygraph. Until ten days after the murder on February thirteenth. His results came back as inconclusive. This could be because he was already a convicted felon who was nervous talking to police or it could mean he was being evasive. We'll never know because the SBA I never made Mike take another test. Patty took a polygraph to, but not until March, I almost a full month after the crime. According to FBI paperwork a few minutes into the test patty became so physically ill that the instructor had to stop. On the bottom of the report, the S., B. I wrote that the onset of Patty's illness during the test was likely due to her pregnancy. By March First Patty would've been close to three months pregnant. So it's possible. She was having some physical sickness. Different, however, despite the fact that the S B I wasn't able to get any actual readings or even complete the test they never made patty take another polygraph. Richard Fugate, the man that had been at Stacey's apartment with stacy and Clifton earlier in the night was also given a polygraph and he passed with. Flying Colors. The instructor wrote that they found no signs of deception in any of his responses. What I find super strange though throughout the S B is Polygraph Test Parade is that agents didn't test Joni Tina or the mysterious Terry Guy. These seem like people you'd want to talk to to determine if they were telling the truth or hiding something especially Joni. Remember she said that she woke up between one thirty and two in the morning and she heard Mike and Patty fighting in her living room. How accurate was her memory about the timing of that as it turns out, I found two very important people who can help answer that. Ladies, we are living in an amazing time. Technology is driving so much of our lives and daily routines I know it is for me. Every morning I, wake up put on my smartwatch attracts my health habits, and throughout my day I give verbal commands shouting out to my Amazon Echo to update my calendar. It's nuts how much I rely on this stuff, but it's the future and it's keeping me sane. But even with all of this advancement, they're still one thing that's the same coloring our hair. We only have two options go to a traditional salon and spend lots of time and money or grab a box of hair color at the drug store that usually leaves are here feeling dried out. But now, there's a new way, Madison. Reed. But maybe you're like wait hold up I'm worried about the most critical part of hair coloring, which is how do I match color? Well, don't worry Madison Review gives you the tools you need. So you can call with confidence. GET AMMONIA free. Dimensional hair-color delivered to your door starting at twenty two dollars. Just visit Madison Dash Reed. Dot Com that's Madison Dash Reed Dot Com counter clock listeners get ten percent off plus free shipping on their first color kit when you use code counterclockwise. That's Promo Code counter clock for ten percent off plus free shipping on your first color kit. Around two o'clock in the morning on February third the green. Dolphin. Pub closed the owner's daughter a woman named Don Jim, locked the doors and left to go to Joni. Newman's house. Don told the S. B. I that earlier in the night patty had asked onto come give her a ride after don closed the bar. Don had Richard Fugate with her and Ray Griggs Patty's brother wrote a bicycle behind her car to Johnny's House. Don says when she arrived at Jones around two o'clock in the morning she and Ray. Walked up to the front door and knock. But nobody answered. The House was dead quiet. She doesn't mention anything about hearing a fight between people inside, which is what Joni says was occurring around that time. But maybe don got there shortly before the fight or maybe right after it. Still. That doesn't explain why no one answered the door. After knocking don says, she assumed patty wasn't there and so her enrages decided to leave. Don gave this information to police on. February fourth nineteen ninety. Ray Wasn't interviewed to corroborate the story until February twelfth more than a week later. Here's a voice actor to read through excerpts of raise interview with police. Definitely pay attention because he gave the FBI of rundown of his entire night and his interactions with people including Stacey Clifton and Mike. So on Friday, I saw stacey headed to the diner around four twenty five in the afternoon and later in the bar when I was playing pool around six thirty. She was drinking wine coolers and we talk for a little bit about my kid a lot of people started coming into the pub by then I remember was me Mike My Sister Patty Richard Fugate and a black guy named cliff spencer. Cliff, talking to Mike and he'd try to borrow money from them for drugs. After that he went to buy a beard started talking a couple girls. Little later Stacey started talking to Mike, I think I saw her in front of his face at least twice. She was upset and he told her he wished she would go ahead and leave. Couple minutes later she did. Cliff left about five minutes after. And then ten thirty. Yeah. Around ten thirty maybe was like eleven I saw Mike Joni Patty leave together but they came back probably after probably forty five minutes Over her Joni Ass Patty, what was wrong with adding shoes of set because her and Mike weren't getting along Johnny told me her and Patty left the bar during those forty five minutes and my sister cooldown. But she didn't say where Mike Win. I just left the bar between one and one thirty in the morning on a bike. I left went on did. She got in her car with Richard and another person I hopped on a bike. We all went over to Johnny's house and I walked to the front door knocked nobody answered. Si was that would have been between one, thirty, one, forty, five in the morning probably. Because no answer we all left. A dish, the Blake Johnny's, in Sutton, you back my house on Airport Road. The next time I saw Mike was between ten and eleven o'clock the next morning which Saturday? He came from a house in a red pickup truck. that. I saw him again later in the day between three and four o'clock. He. told me Stacey was dead. He was a totally different person. Race statements were helpful. But what he said didn't give me any closer to finding out where exactly Mike and Patty were between two o'clock in the morning and the next time there accounted for which is around seven thirty am. You See. Mike. told the FBI that he got up around seven o'clock walked over to Stacy's and took the newspaper upstairs. According to him he was alone patty stayed behind sleeping at Janis. He says after he dropped the paper off, he went to the Duchess of Deir Diner for breakfast. He ate then called Joni around seven thirty using the restaurants phone might what mayor when I got up? Fatty was. Mike ended up calling my house. And he was downtown at the restaurant that was downtown at that time. And wanted to borrow my truck that day because he knew I had to go out go out of town. You know he was trying to give me awake because he knew that I had to drive from my brother-in-law that day. And I think that's what he did was call me make sure I was awake and to he's a the truck. I asked Joni what she remembered Patty and Mike Look like the next morning. and. When I got up the next morning patty had the same clothes and she was not bloody or nothing like that. You know what? About Mike Mike I don't think he had the same Hoodie on like I thought. He had a different shirt on the next morning. Yeah because when I got up like I said he was gone already. and. He came back after I. Don't know after I woke up and talk to him. He come back got the truck. Patty was wearing the same clothing the next morning, but you're not sure if Mike was. I'm not I'm not a thing. It was about a Hoodie and I can't. I can't remember if it was if he had a Hoodie on and didn't before or. Ainley Leeann with a hoodie I don't remember A. hoodie that I can't I was trying to think of A. Fuzzy memory doesn't convince me one hundred percent, but still what she says can't be discounted. I wanted to verify if mike seeing the newspaper on his walk to Stacy's before he called Joanie was even possible and if so did anyone witness him moving it. Turns out someone did? According. To February, third log sheets for the vendor who supplied the Virginian pilot newspapers in Mankato the delivery drivers picked the papers up at four fifty one in the morning. In their statements to police, they told detectives, they're route included several stops before an is dare street. They estimated they're delivering your stacy's address occurred at five twenty in the morning. They don't remember seeing anyone in or around. Stacy's apartment or staircase at that time. which makes sense because if we believe Mike, he wasn't there until between seven and seven thirty, but get this the. Delivery. Drivers said they didn't deliver the paper to the bottom of Stacey staircase at all they dropped it off in the shared driveway, her apartment building and the home closer to the street. Stacey wasn't even a subscriber to the newspaper according to the Virginian pilot records the owners of the house in front of her building where the subscribers. The woman the newspaper was intended for was Mary midget. STACY'S LANDLORD More than a week after the crime the S B I interviewed Mary. Unfortunately I couldn't speak with her because she since passed away. But Mary told investigators that on the morning of February third she woke up at six thirty. News paper and sat on her back porch until seven thirty. She. Put the newspaper back in the plastic. It was delivered in and tossed it out her porch door towards the bottom of stacey staircase. Her Porch has a direct an obscure line of sight to Stacy's unit. Mary had a regular habit of tossing her paper over to stacy's because someone either Stacey or Mike would always retrieve it. Said, she saw Mike come by around seven thirty take the paper and up Stacey staircase, but he didn't go inside. Him coming by was an out of the ordinary according to Mary. But the fact that he didn't go inside was unusual. Mary's eyewitness account tells me two things. One Mike Story that he took the newspaper up the stairs at around seven thirty checks out and to whoever killed Stacey. Didn't leave the apartment between six thirty and seven thirty in the morning or else Mary probably would have seen them. Sunrise on February Third Nineteen Ninety was at seven Oh two am. So between six, thirty and seven, it would've still been dark outside. If. Someone had walked in front of Stacy's apartment in that half hour timespan. The floodlights on the building would have gone off and I have to think that would have gotten. Mary's attention. So I say all of that to say this. I think stacy was killed prior to six thirty that morning. Based on the autopsy report and stacy's approximate time of death combined with witnesses testimony Stacey died sometime between one and seven in the morning but which our is hard to know. The closest theoretical window I believe the killer struck in is in one o'clock to possibly five thirty. That's four and a half hours of unknown. Save Five, thirty and nine, six, thirty because remember at five twenty, the newspaper delivery drivers were on an-and is dare street delivering papers and they were in the driveway of the apartment building. They didn't report anyone walking around or lurking and looking suspicious at that time, and they certainly didn't tell police that they saw someone coming from Stacy's apartment. I mean it's always possible. The killer struck between five thirty and six thirty in the morning after the paper was delivered. But before Mary woke up. But still that's a really tight window of time. and. I also have to remember to that part of the timeframe between one o'clock and five thirty includes alleged fight between patty and Mike at Johnny's House yet somehow dawn ray who were standing on the front porch at around two am during this supposed fight didn't hear it. That just didn't make sense to me. How if a couple is having a knock down, drag out fight does no one except Joni here thing. And even more insane. How did no one here stacey being murdered or someone going up to her apartment? Thankfully, a shred of paper tucked away in police files was about to make my time line much more clear. And a new discovery about Patty Roe blows what I thought about this case wide open. She attacked a woman with a pipe wrench and beat her in the face and attempted to kill this woman. Be Sure to follow counterclockwise on social media and subscribe on Apple Podcast spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Counter. Clock is an audio chuck original show. Ashley Flowers, is the executive producer and all reporting and hosting is done by me Deandra.

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The Horror of Drugs

Fun Time Horror Show

1:43:05 hr | 2 months ago

The Horror of Drugs

"Thank you for tuning into the fun time. Horror show most of the stories we will share our true events unless otherwise stated and will contain descriptions of gore and violence. Some stories shared could have detailed accounts of sexual events. This show may also give what may appear to be great ideas to some stupid people listener. Discretion is extremely advised. Will they all right. Hello and welcome to a very first episode. Fun time horror show. It's like longtime making conceptualizing. It talking about it for weeks. Been talking about his show for like three months but the like we really started getting serious about two to three weeks ago and i was thinking that we should probably do an introductory recording. What screw that man. Let's do it right now. Right so Jump right in our goal. So i'm tommy. I'm here with my real life partner lucas. And if you wanna go ahead and start man like basically you like in a few minutes. Just tell us you and wine who you even wanna talk about this a lucas salesman by trade. I have always been a big hoorah van. This far back as i can remember been into i guess. Creepy stuff but spooky stubs. The right way to say that i remember being a kid when they take you to the The library at school Make you go and you had to pick out. A book was in haunted library. No but i would look for the look for the books that had the creepiest cover. How scary stories to tell in the dark dude. Yes absolutely yeah like. Where's my too scare. The shit out of My son with that story one night. He was interested in paranormal. And stuff. like that. Like kid scariest the answer all the other. It's really talking about it. And so he tells the story of. I my big toe. You got it right. He jumped out. Starts crying crap sweetman. Hey how. I love those books. I read them like two or three of them. Had three i still. I would still i. I was really a horse of a scary face. Slew of edgar allan poe growing up. I think it was like ten screen. Came out. And i wouldn't supposed to watch scary movies but i was interested in them so my sister watching it. My snuck in the living in sat behind them but on the couch. Watch the whole thing. Scared me shitless. I slept with a baseball bat for like two weeks afterwards. But then that kind of start my obsession with a little up slasher movies as still one of my favorite genres. Of course if you're in the slashing movies. The guy with the halloween movies. So i still a symbolic gesture from best buy circuit city. I should probably just mentioned that This is not like a traditional like horror. Podcast where we talk about like ghost stories and things like that. I mean there probably will be at some point some type of form of story. But we're pretty much going to try to keep it real life. Basically all the shit that happens to like like to me. The scariest movies are like rob zombie movies. Right because very rarely is a monster of the the villain. It's always like real people doing really like eft up things to real people and to me. That's like scary shit on on the planet and mary it with him. Kind of rebooting the halloween franchise which i was just talking about and that was amazing because he had the gore of like house of a thousand corpses but then it was the meyer myers story. Yeah i loved that english. Dude's name the guy from corporate worms. Do not even know malcolm mcdowell was awesome as dr limits the african that he was even in their men. The sister of what. I was saying i grew up in interested in scary literature. Kind of transition into slasher films. And of course i love supernatural horror. I'm a big fan of all of the conjuring and the conjuring spin offs the nfl movies. I think that jesse james warren really thick one of the best horror director. I've seen in a while shooters obscured like you know on around guys do other stuff but as far as you know big names. Think this stuff. He's put out recently so too serious. Like insidious was great. Yeah anyway yeah. That's pretty much. It started when thinking outside outside of that. it's gonna be talking about horror. Been a big fan of things like cold case files in forensic files and stuff like that signature crime things like like really like gory cut crime right things like that. So and that's kind of what we talked about like when we were trying to figure this thing out we were like what should we do. Should we do like a like a true crime. It seems like everybody's doing true crime renounced like super hot. Should we talk about like. Ufo's should we talk about like crypto. Zoology should we talk about haunted houses. And we were like fuck it like. Why can't we do it all so anyway. So that's what we're going to try to bring to you. We're gonna try to like every show should be pretty different. This particular one is going to be a just general interest may be the most people people will be like. Oh shit i didn't know that existed but anyway just real quick brought myself. My name's tommy. Lucas and i are both from houston texas. We became best friends after working together. I guess we've kinda known each other for eight years and originally found an interest in horror. I'm a little bit older than you. But back in the day used to have to actually like go to the gas station in rent a vcr. Yeah and then. They had like a like a small selection behind the counter of like different movies them every once in a while. Am-among would rent a vcr. We get to pick a movie and You know stuff. Like i don't know man amityville horror the original one from like seventy six of eight forever in my brain is burnt the images those walls leading. I was like hooked ever since. I'm also like a huge fan of like true crime. I'm a huge fan of tons of different podcasts. I don't know if i even allowed to name them all. But i've probably got about a dozen actual podcast. I keep up with for about the last two to three years so some of our shows might be like cheap. Rip off of some of these other ones just because planted in my subconscious. But lucas and i have heard like a ton of really awesome stories and our brains are full of a bunch of stupid information so we'll combine it here and like trying to put together like a decent show. I think. I think if it goes well we can be like an alternative to like morning radio. You know what i mean. Yeah like instead of listening guys are gay. That's what i'm saying like it's so here here in we're in we're at houston very popular radio. Show here in our town. I think that the host kind of jerk. So i feel like they thought about stupid crap. The talk about bro style. We're gonna talk about crowd. Are stupid crap is going to be cooler their student. Yeah in violent. That's an. That's what i wonder is into all the way to work. I want to hear some of the last like oh shit. That's crazy like stop and then puke. Hopefully that's not a daily thing. You ready to kick this thing off. Yes do this all right man so welcome to the very first episode of fun time horror show. Today we are going to discuss crazy drugs. Right was the full title for it. Like crazy while but i don't have a top ten. There might be eleven or eight top. Ten plus two. yeah so each one of our episodes. We're gonna kinda have like a common theme. But we are going to try to bring something from lucas perspective and from my perspective and so essentially you're going to get stories within the same theme and i don't know if these podcasts are going to be like thirty minutes i don't know if they're going to be an hour and thirty minutes. Maybe nobody cares. It probably doesn't matter if we're interesting nobody will care okay so i guess we need to start being interesting so i'm interested. I'm gonna go and kick things off man today. I'm gonna be talking about maybe like Terms like types of drugs. That people aren't aware that maybe they exist or like ways that people are doing drugs. A lot of the stuff started in foreign countries. And i got the worst of the worst because that's when our show is all about no matter how bad the should is for some reason some dumb ass millennial in. Utah's gonna try it to our listeners in utah random state. I'm not saying that. I would say florida because people from florida are it. I i bet you were going to have ten stories from florida. I think so. Art if you google search putting your birth date and it goes for anybody you put in you put man from florida and in your birthday and there's a fucked up story without fail. All right floridians are fucking wild. So i'm gonna go ahead and get into this. Let's see here. I want to start off with like a term that i just learned but it makes a lot of sense that this even exists even though it's stupid farming parties. Are you familiar with what. Farming port is a only only recently reading my note dude. It sounds like you're so old you don't know shit be kind of fun. Good evening we begin tonight with an important warning for parents. Agers are rating medicine cabinet in their homes and taking those pills to what's called farm parties pharmaceutical poor parties news. Melissa vega joins us tonight with details. Lot of parents have never heard of this. Parents really need to know this. Well that's right. The san antonio council on alcohol and drug abuse say these fun. Parties are also known as skittles parties. But there's no candy involved there just code words to keep parents out of the loop nokia. I mean if i was getting that that straight up i mean to me. Sounds like a nightmare in everything that i picked. I picked it because it sounds like a nightmare. So farming party was terminated created in two thousand and two when some newspaper in pennsylvania said that it was occurring in their communities the actual definition that i got a farming party is that it's a media invented term describing alleged get togethers prescription. Drugs are exchanged in randomly ingested in order to become intoxicated. Basically what's happening is like kids are going in rating their parents medicine cabinets going to these parties throwing all the shit in a bowl mixing it up and as you walk in the door i guess you just grab a handful and eat it and hope for the best seles jerry factor to about that he is. It's like russian roulette. Because like i feel if they were smart about it and they read the label like had wrote down what it was and then there was some information cool party. The party was going a little cups little tag. It's like boosters in obviously you throw. The party's over what i'm saying. What i'm saying is that could be a cool concept but it's scary. 'cause they're just like here. Yes you're taking cover a doubter or it could be taken birth control and expecting fucked up ilya. But what if you do. I don't know taking birth control malls ladies when we get an email address. Feel free to call or email into the show and let us know. So here's a problem. Prescription drugs like fit and are single handedly. Responsible for an all new opioid epidemic. So it's kind of weird like in the nineties prescription pills. Were like the top choice for those looking to get high that led into an opioid boom like in the two thousand where people just started shooting up heroin instead and now i probably because of all like to say no programs and people like in movies odi on heroin is coming full circle back around now to pills like these kids are getting super high on these pills so The problem with it is like you get sick. And then you might have a seizure or throw up or something and then you don't tell anybody you don't wanna go to the doctor you definitely. Don't go to the emergency room because you know when your parents find out. They're probably going to take away your iphone so one of the other things that's going on with these parties is like people are getting People were like trading is especially in groups of friends and stuff and just generalized drug-dealing ireland. The concert 'as becoming huge in. Its like booming in middle school and high school because it's like a drug that lake student athletes and students can use in order to get the mental focus. Let's see the let's see. Let's see have you ever heard of a wall alcohol without liquid. Yes i have in. You've probably used it. No i actually scares the crap out of it. So lucas like is on a row. Big health kick. He has been for like a couple of years. So this is perfect for you lucas. Because you can take in all the alcohol that you would normally consume in all those extra calories do. That's why it's appealing to me. I i saw do this on youtube a few years back and i was like what was his that he took a two liter bottle and he put Put liquor in. I don't know what it was. And then he got punked and just got a lot of pressure in there and then yanked it off and like immediately vaporized and he liked inhaled. It like a frigging balm dude will do drunk. We'll hear some other methods that you can use one thing that you can do. Is you can vapor as it you can use. A nebulizer device is usually used for recreational. Use is referred to alcohol smoking. Which kind of goes along with your description that you gave to know how alcohol it must first be converted to liquid in gashes state from a liquid to a gas state so either vapor or missed. A lot of methods have been used to be vaporized pouring over dry ice in a narrow container inhaling it with a straw. Another method is to pour alcohol in a corked bottle with the pipeline. How you explain an in use a bicycle pump to make a spray then of course you can always put it in your bunsen burner with your little heater in with it. Yeah other ways. That people are ingesting alcohol. These days snorting it you do that. Well it's jazzed when people think about snorting substances. They probably think about cocaine her crush Prescription painkillers they're not likely to think about alcohol. But some people have attempted to get drunk faster by snorting it. Reports about starting liquid alcohol usually a high profile or similar liquor deepak several years but when poco hough or powdered alcohol was released on the market. Some people abused it by starting at guess how those people were getting fucked up with alcohol. I'm actually interested in this pattern. Of course you would be in the most knob these facts disturbing to say the least least as you mentioned a blood alcohol level of point four. That is five times the legal limit investigators are looking into it trying to get to the bottom of it. They believe that. Alex broughton used an alcohol enema to get more alcohol into a system. Now i want to read the statement from police They kind of break it down as the way they see it happening upon extensive questioning it is believed that members of the fraternity were using rubber tubing inserted into their rectums as a conduit for alcohol as the abundance of capillaries and blood vessels present present rather greatly heightens the level and speed of the alcohol entering the bloodstream. As it bypasses the filtering by the liver. That's right people are but chugging it is not funny guys. This is not funny cheese. Like i'm sorry but it makes me think about like porn. My god probably on and you see people like doing the interviews for the fetish stuff. I've never seen this. okay now. Seen a lot of creepy born in never seen those. I fully for top okay. We'll you are weird on the shoe. Apparently people think you can absorb it really rapidly. I think scientifically orbs rather rapidly. Right into your mucus monitoring your nose. Well not of your nose and you're but we're all that's right. I'm sorry i was snorting. Oh man you really going to try this. The problem is is that the alcohol hits the brain like really quickly in it can force you to pass out but the alcohol is still like in your ass which means that your body is continuing to absorb it in so you can basically be like odeen getting e-e-e-e-no dying from this while you're smooth passed out so you don't even know that there's an issue that is bringing Will yeah in you know. Have you ever been like drunk. I don't even know why i'm asking you this. Have you ever been to drunken thrown up today. Okay multiple times. The problem with putting it in your ass is like your body has no way of rejecting it shit out will. You're asleep so you could sleep. In addition to a absorbing it into your amos some of our lady folks are absorbing alcohol in tampons in putting it inside. Their vaginas has got a bird. Yeah i don't know if it actually scientifically proven to get you drunk on like the chugging but the problem is like really dangerous it damages the body it causes infections can create scarring and it can keep you from having babies which is not minor league. His problem at all eyeballing. It's what it sounds like. You're pouring into your eyes socket and hoping to absorb it into the small capillaries. The problem is it probably doesn't work and you'll probably go fucking blind so decides. I don't know man. This perfectly drinkable alcohol. Report is yeah. Put it in my house on south park. You like put in your heart so anyway and just on the talking about alcohol. Of course you can. Always huffed gasoline or aerosol sprays they all contain different types of industrial alcohols act. Confessional time i've done that you can maybe tell the story after. I'm sure it's a good one. People are of course are still drinking mouthwash and coughs or two which will get into a little bit later here so there was one drug that i found that seems to be making his presence known. I just put it on the list because it's kind of cool. It's called bromo dragonfly in what it does is basically like a psychedelic accept. It can last two to three days so causes intoxication It causes hallucination. But it it has like a really so onset so like once you do it it can take up to six hours to get high. Which makes it really easy to overdo it. Because you're like gift not doing. Nothing bro gives us more that romo dragonfly. Can you overdose on it though or do you just get really the worst case scenarios that i found or stories including overdoses that are accompanied by becoming highly disturbed vomiting blood breathing in that vomit and then becoming xfinity it while having seizures terrifying terrifying hallucinations in some survivors had have a long lasting physical side effects. In one dude. I read about described his Owning or being on the drug as Light being dragged to and from hell multiple times. That sounds awesome. I feel like it's crazy concept of being dragged the hell at all. Does he know well. Apparently he does all right now. We're going to get into basalt everyone's favorite. It's a drug you can buy in cities across the us and it's increasingly making headlights. Dangerous chemical combinations often refer to as bath salts are being blamed for dozens of episodes of bazaar viruses behavior. A new york. Mother suspected of being high on the chemicals was photographed running around naked before police reportedly used a stun gun to subdue her. She eventually died. She allegedly beat her three year. Old son and witnesses described her as being out of control and she got a hold of one of her her dogs and she was rolling around on the ground her arms wrapped around her legs after into strangling the dog. It comes weeks after the gruesome murder. Miami where a man eight. The face of his victim authorities say. Bath salts may have been involved So basalt actually been around for about ten years now is started popping up in two thousand ten win the poison control centers around the country. Were starting to get all these crazy calls Basically it can induce violent behavior. It can cause visions can make you paranoid. It also causes. Nudity using bath salts can raise internal body temperature. So like you just want to like get out of your clothes and one other side effect is by eating your own shit them. Some of the effects of this drug can cause in our body experience again. Make you be like a really good move mood and just overall you fill out of it for a few hours. The bad news is it can also cause you to become highly agitated. You can't sleep you get extremely busy. You have panic attacks you slip into the severe depressions. You haven't overwhelming urge to kill yourself. You're paranoid. I think i said that. The often yeah. You're having delusions seeing multiple sets of perceived realities in overall just becoming psychotic a physically a decreases your muscle in your body control. It increases your blood pressure in your body temperature which we talked about with the nakedness. Gives you chest pains. It gives you a ring heartbea. Nosebleeds causes vomiting seizures. You can have a stroke have a heart attack in it makes your brain swell like a rabid pit bull hell That's urban legend right-now in town were a bunch of pippa lovers. Everybody's got as right as a basalt. I then got into flecha lease end the doctors to mark. Good morning good morning. It's a drug that is described as being more powerful than heroin or cocaine and medical experts and law enforcement are warning of the dangers not just to users but to anyone who gets in their way which is basically a second-generation basalt but what's weird about this is like a form of this drug has actually been around since the sixties so it was created to basically take like a laboratory drug in the put it out on the streets basically a stimulant that has effects comparable Almost like a cross between meth coke. So if methane coke had a baby and sticking trump's our president so i will also mentioned that. It is since china in imported china. Yeah along with the corona virus and yeah so you can eat it. you can snorted. You can rub it in your gums. You can smoke it in meth pipe. You can injected into your cock and you can also do something called booty shoot the but stuff. People are putting things in there s. It's really really cheap. It's way more addictive than math. Basically it's ten times more powerful than coke in. It's like a fraction of the price. I've found a website called medicine. Net dot com. That actually had some good side effects listed which are bizarre behavior agitation paranormal paranoia paranoia delusions of superhuman strength is basically 'cause agitated naked men to run to traffic in 'cause other dudes to sexually assault trees in public It's like bark rash on your dick. So here's a couple of headlines. I found about people who were like jacked up on basalt and flock. Everybody knows about the face. Eating zombie actually heard that that could be urban legend that he could have been on something else but everybody attributed to of basalt. And since i'm doing the show needs stories i'm going to contribute to basalt to but basically this do name really rudy eugene. he was discovery eating another man's face in broad daylight in florida. Yeah so the. Victim's name was ronald popo in he had much of his face chewed off including his eyebrows nose. Parts of his forehead cheeks has left. I was gone in basically the only way that the police were able to get him to stop was to fire on him and he was not up to four times be finally before he finally went down An interesting story. I've found was basalt contributed to horrible mistreatment of goat specifically goats yet. Oh a man named mark thompson decided to go on a three day basalt in his home in a loon creek west virginia on may two thousand eleven and it went about horribly as could be expected thompson. Got a hold of his neighbors. Pygmy goat brought it to his house in pierce's neck. When the neighbors entered a home they found thompson wearing a bra. No pant there was blood everywhere next to the deceased goat explicit images thompson bolted from the front door was later found in the woods by police. He got higher about salt. Still the neighbors go put on women's underwear in had sex with the goat. I guess while stirring had sexual materials in while his throat was slit the goat's stove. Yes pink thanks for keeping up. We'll see florida made a man. Thank god Let's see here. Oh he thought he was the god. Thor the god of thunder great and then he also had some relations with the tree. He attacked a cop and he ran unclothed through the streets. All she does the same guy who raped the go. Now this is different so Basically the police officers tried to stop him by using a taser and he just beat the shit out of the cops. Story of this is a horrible event In washington so from april. Two thousand. Eleven army sergeant david stewart and his wife christie were caught speeding on the interstate. The trooper that was trying to pull them over chased him during the chase stewart fired on his wife in crashed his car. So it sounds like the guy like trying to kill his wife in crashes car steward then fired on himself which means he killed himself before he could be apprehended. Their five year old son jordan was later found. This easterner home is presumed that he was ended by one or both of his parents. Singer jacked up on bath salts killed on kid all the west of how this is a tragic story i found about a man who ultimately took his own life while being on basalt this happened in november of two thousand ten twenty one year old named deke sanders. He started a pack of basalt in after becoming like highly paranoid. He convinced he was convinced that the police are after him. He grabbed a butcher knife in slit his own throat but his father apparently was able to save his life in talking temporarily off the ledge in. Stop the bleeding. But he continued to trip over the next several hours in an ultimate he became very erratic in ended up taking his own life with a rifle so many shoes on the head. I don't know he just shot himself. That's in kirk combing that. I think there would be bad. Enough will not mean like with a rifle is having a heart issues will be of use. Your toe did observation cobain. Maybe we'll have a Experimental phase of the podcast. Where we actually there on. That's what we have to come. Oh yeah that's true. Hi pete so I'm going to skip one of my next one's in go straight in the spice as spices. Obviously the synthetic marijuana that every gas station at least in houston selling I personally accidentally tried some k to it was it was really bad. Basically what it is like taking i guess natural herbs but then sprang like synthetic chemicals on so when you consume it if it kinda mimics effects of cannabis of cannabis but the is is way. More side effects are like way stronger than my typical marijuana and is really dangerous. Here's a couple of headlines that i found connor eckhart was a healthy nine year old in he was declared brain dead after his very first us. Full moon t a bad batch kills two men x. Marijuana addict commit suicide after prolong use of synthetic replacement man on synthetic marijuana shakes baby to death one. Us marine stabs a fellow marine during an altercation while being on synthetic marijuana teen dies after freaking out and slamming his car into a house one hundred miles an hour man. Smoke synthetic marijuana before shooting pregnant. Fiancee in the face in this one was like kinda crazy but nearly one hundred and twenty people in dallas in overdose on k. Two in just five days. Somebody's bullshit or not. I found on the internet but It after personally experiencing ketu i didn't hallucinate or have like a bachelor which is like really super frigging high. I only imagine what it'd be like for like fourteen year old kid. Smoking for hours with his buddies. Yeah i took one hit out of a crush. Aluminum can and i was gone Speaking of h town. Which is where again. Lucas snyder from purple. Drink this music video from southland. Rock group shoreline. Mafia shows them porting in a kitchen with something. You're more likely to find in your medicine cabinet rappers pouring prescription grade cough syrup into soda and sipping even holding up a bottle with a gun in hand they can a lean A surger purple stuff. Drink texas t purple jelly memphis mud in purpose. Sprite made famous in the town. It actually started in the nineteen sixties win like musicians. Were mixing robitussin with beer. Sounds delicious in the eighties and nineties. Though the formula change in were basically cough syrup was added usually with codeine in instead of beer people prefer like a sprite with so it's coating cough syrup a sprite. Some of the effects are euphoria. Possibly out of body experience in access a sedative. Last from three to six hours is called lean. Because that's what it makes you do see here. Some of the effects will bad affects made with promising. It can cause in have normal heart rhythm. Blood pressure issues. Dry skin hallucinations seizures breathing problems. When it's made with codeine it can cause brain damage dizziness. Redness of the skin breathing issues. Stopping your heart and producing sometimes pretty shitty music. I'm gonna get a I love the music. So i'm going to get into like the more. These are the worst ones that i found men in gets worse. Not because of like what it does to you necessarily but sometimes what it makes you in order to get it. In broad daylight durban's addicts is slowly killing themselves by smoking. Drug that was developed to save lives this warmonger and it's so addictive that the users within days and flew do any wound is made from the anti retroviral drugs. That are used to choose. Hiv as in rat poison and marijuana and a few drags deliver a high so person that some will do anything together face so this guy popular around two thousand and nine had widespread Widespread use in south africa basically. It's marijuana variant. That contains things. Like rat poison Heroin crystal meth sometimes like detergent bleach ammonia and get this. Hiv medication keep that in mind since hiv medications have been thought to be an integral part of the recipe. That make up the swinger instance. He's a hiv. Drugs are given out over there. Free of charge to patients. Battling the virus there have been claims some users indoor chefs of the drug have actually sought out ways to contract. Hiv on purpose in order to get free and easy access to the drug oliva thinkin dealers chefs. That usually make this. They advertise it just like. Hey man i got that. I got that good. We'd over here good weed and they leave out the fact that is actually in it contains has a highs sometimes heroin content and of course all those other chemical additives some of which will actually create additional addiction. Sometimes early as the very first use. It makes you have feelings of euphoria deep contentment and makes you feel really like you're in a really highly relaxed state. It can about two to four hours and most people will smoke it like a joint but some that are injecting it. One of the problems is when you try to get off. It takes about six to twenty four hours to basically have the side effects where off includes agonizing stomach cramps backaches sweating chills zaidi restlessness depression throwing up and diarrhea at the same time. Of course this is on top of the internal bleeding stomach ulcers and of course potentially being killed on. I'm gonna come back to this but there is also something that the kids are over there doing called bluetooth thing so remind me of the bluetooth. I'm gonna get into crocodile. People shout out to the ukraine. Actually i hate it when people say ukraine because i'm pretty sure she's called ukraine dangerous drugs. Sweeping across the eastern europe is drawing the attention of law enforcement in our area tonight. It is called crocodile. Your bucks see the devastating effect that this flesh eating drug and have a stock seventeen. Michaela lewis explains the concerns over the drug a warning. Some of these. You're about to see are graphic rapidly. Making its way through europe for the last decade. American drug enforcement agents waited to snap into action against crocodile. It's extremely addictive. it drug. That's injected and rots. The user skin crocodile turns flush scaly peeling with discoloring source resembling the skin of an actual crocodile. Hence the name. It's called crocodile or crocodile and it's just hit illinois media outlets across the states reported the deadly drug hitting the. Us has been coming into. The united states from. Russia is growing in popularity across the country. Crocodile is also known as morphine. It was a drug that was alternately created in the twenties in hit the streets of What is already getting like really popular in russia here in the near past but it started possibly hitting the streets in the us around two thousand thirteen. So it's basically a heroin substitute one tenth. The cost of heroin. And it's like way more powerful. The problem is is that russia's going through a really big epidemic right now there's some really good the documentaries on vice and With someone that you showed me the national geographic on. It was netflix Called drugs inc drugs in like five. Yeah exactly the problem is that people are having using. This drug is when they injected one of the first things the drug does. Is it away at the nerve endings. So you can't feel and the thing that you can't feel like brown recluse bite if you've ever seen one of those is the actual muscle and skin tissues being deteriorated in one of these documentaries that we watched on the one that you showed me. It actually began with like a man. She was like third out but she was like a hospital bed and one of her bones inside over four arm was actually completely exposed and the doctors were like tapping on. It looked like a pin thing. Thing thing thing that made my skin curls let me my skin crawl to you in any kinda like pan back right even though everything was blurred and she's like nude in a bed like they started paying back. I'm like oh man. Look at this arm. So wait a sickness. Edit city a half thing fully. Yeah exactly official. Sorry to our lady listeners. The last thing that i wanted to talk about actually kinda like the second losing on talk about this is like really fucking horrible and this is exactly what this shows about this next drug about to tell you about jank just going to go ahead and explain about this cool thing that i got into A few months ago called jenkin Maybe i'll just explain. I a little bit about with me. Is it's It's it's like a drug. I guess some some people might say it's like a drug but it it's more than that it. It's like a path to spiritual awakenings but it's made from human feces when you Fermented in in your jar. And then we'll we'll go through that in a bid i guess in a little bit. We'll go through that process. And then you know then then you basically just you just you hop on it. You just inhale that and You know then then you can get some really great spiritual awakenings jack. Highly allusive genyk drug which results from huffing the fumes of your own fermented fecal matter users claim. It gives an incredible rush. overwhelming taste of shit bat. Making jank aka but hash is really easy. Has it by hash so the kids are calling it. Jacob is a homemade substance which consists of fecal matter. Matter in urine the fecal matter and urine are placed in a bottle or jar in covered a usually with like a balloon the container place in sunny area for several days until it ferments of course when it starts to ferment it creates like gasoline and it fills up the balloon. You just pop that balloon off in you. Get your high on son. Of course you can also save some money from buying like jars and things by just using old plastic coke bottle in rinsed out condom. You're welcome so any information on. What high life for them yes. I'm glad that you asked unlike the drugs on this list. With the exception of alcohol this is actually perfectly legal. There's like zero that the law the law can do about. It is getting really really popular with the kids in the us because it's easy to make it's free and you literally cannot get in trouble for it. Yeah it's the worst. I've never worn high. That bad Dozen stupid shit to get high well to answer your question in al finished with this. Here is a quote from a guy that wrote about his experience on jank jank under the advice of several of my friends. I decided to give jenkins a try. I went down to the lusaka sewage pond in filled my two liter coke bottle half-full walking back to my head. I couldn't help but feel a little anxiety. But what did. I have to lose right. Upon arrival i sit down and begin to flood my lungs with the sickly sweet aroma. As my seven brothers looked on in my mind was filled with bots previous previously unfathomable. In an instant i saw what needed to be done to alleviate the poverty of my country and people with knowledge of kings laid out before me. I now know what i must do. Jenkins has brought me the enlightenment my ancestors in for that. I am grateful. Do shit bro. Literally literally man. I don't know if i could do some acid in have similar Realizations yeah but acid costs money in his dangerous. I'm willing to risk those things. I'm not sure you can. Od on ship fumes. i'm sure you can just. There is such a thing as too good at the time. S also legal to buy alcohol. He's gotta get someone older than you to buy it right so right. That's illegal guys. Drink at home. I guess i'll do that then. That's what i did when i was that. Snow mountain view. My crap smells from into when it comes out. Go third so speaking of getting jacked up. Underage drinking and blah blah blah blah ho. Yeah you forgot to remind me about bluetooth. You're like the worst coast ever reminding you. After i thought you wearing to finish in okay so i'm gonna go back to bluetooth. It also is called flash flooding. And so what's happening is like like these guys that are strung out on these heroin drugs in like Like what was the other one message manga by some of these ones. That people are injecting. What's happening is a lot of these people like aren't communities like in little groups of people right now live together and they get fucked up together and they go out and get money together and so what was happening was like let's say you and me though out any money in you do so you get to go buy your drug you come back to the house. You injected you. Get your sense of euphoria and pass out. And while you're passed out me in all your little friends run over with syringes. Full your blood out injected into ourselves in order to get a piece of that high so it's called bluetooth kinda like you're getting. You're getting connected. Yeah but now has pretty messed up right. God that is so messed up. I mean imagine how how desperate you have to be and in like knowing all this like what would ever allow yourself ever even like some of these drugs that i covered people have been known to become addicks on the very first us going into that. I don't know man. I feel really bad for those people. I feel duyet additions motherfucker. Yeah get to hold a you. It's pretty much alive Lifelong disease sounds like you have some experience of hell. Why don't you go ahead and take over from this point forward. You can share some of that with you and then you have a really interesting story for us. Yeah jank jank thanks guys show feeling So yeah i. I always had a fascination with getting getting locked up i remember. I think it started when i was probably like twelve. I was really into music. And i love documentaries. I watched a documentary about woodstock on love jimi hendrix factum. And he was children's ass off. And i was like well. If i'm going to be it's hard player. Because i was taking the tar player i got it'd be jimi hendrix so i was always interested in experimenting with drugs because i thought it would make me a better position is kind of how my fascination with intoxication started anyway without getting my law story how much my two drugs choice are usually Cannabis and alcohol and yemen When whenever you're telling some of those stories like the i tried it like the the huffing. I've done that. I was i was a teenager and i was like couldn't get any pot could getting money to buy me any alcohol because my sister's out clubbing. They didn't wanna come back and helped me out so shit. What do i do. I used to have zippo. So i got the lighter. Food from the zippo importing african bandanna just put on my face and then held it. Until i felt was insane. It was really stupid. That was kinda done. Because i was all depressed about a girl so high right now good. That's probably team spice dude had wrote down. Had to tell you about this. I at one point was working a job that did random and not getting high is not an option gots keeping high. But i can't fill drug us so i do. Hey this The there was a generic name for it. I think it was called like herbal propery or something like that. I can't remember exactly like called like shit to get you high but it had some meaning. They can sell it as that was. The loophole was called something it was it was market as a potpourri like called good good feelings good feelings potpourri at one point before they illegal everybody had version out so take a quick story because it was really relevant to what you're talking about. This guy came in thrown. He was reworked offshore. He was an underwater wilder for ocean. Here and he He can he came back like you know for two weeks at a time. And he can't get high and he tells us his pothead friends who metal ban. he's like. Hey guys he's at our practice and he's like here's fifty bucks. Give me the burst. Whatever that she's called you can find. I'm like okay. Cool so me and my buddy go to the head shop Looking around see this shit called judgment day and it has his skull on it. And it's like melting and on like dude. We gotta smoke that. So i get it the melting skull the melting indicator. I was kinda scared. But i was also like hey. This might be fun so we get back. Put it in a pipe. Smoking a pipe to give so much money because he didn't want to smoke out of our lead pipes cause any get any get cannabis in assist anyway. Pia we all smoke. And i'm sitting there. Were playing song. And i i. I'm feeling great halfway through the song. I don't remember what song on playing anymore. My fingers are typically a heart to non wanted. And i'm okay hard before you. You've done some pretty serious. You can do this to keep your head. Straight is thank distinct. this don't think about it. Breath breeze on top of myself through. I look over in the the dude from the from offshore is like curled up in a ball under a chair like just losing his mind so we all stop. And we're like dude. Are you okay. And he was asked us to call him and a heavy shit shit that was judgment day. And that's like some of the bad trips. That i saw like when i was doing research for this looking at ut videos and stuff. I mean i. I got lucky i just got it right but i was looking at people that were falling through coffee table season out on their bags. Making animal sounds in. You know screaming at their friends. Were trying to kill them when they were trying to get him to shut the fuck up for the cops came trumping anyway man So we're going to go ahead and go into our second part of the show and lucas is going to share with us. A very interesting story you know are a lot of ways. I could go into this. But i think that way to kind of segue to tell you about something that happened to me on the way here on way. Here i was on the freeway headed east over here. This part town and where fifty nine and sixteen split. You know i'm trying to get over su Only fifty nine. I trying to get over in. The traffic was moving despite him flowing like normal than all sudden. It was an abrupt stop. And i was going about fifty five. I wasn't quite at the speed limit. Yeah because i was trying to get over. But i had to slam on my brakes. And i was slowing down but i could tell i was gonna hit the so. I a frigging soared into the right lane and i'm like crap. Someone might be right there. So i looked in there was so it gave me a moving my hands but no one can see me. It gave me just enough room to swerve right but then for back gave me just enough time to miss them and everything worked out. I don't know what happened if someone up ahead slammed on their brakes but ironically already got hit so spoiler alert. I'm very hung over today. I've i've lost my lunch in my breakfast and just about everything i put my stomach. So it was ironic. Because i was like. I'm coming today to tell a story about a tragic asked. dwi accident. and i'm hungover if i'm gonna gotten a bad ass in in then got killed while hung around the way to tell a story by i. I was like dude. That shit is like what your toxicology report would say. I mean i'm not. I haven't had any alcohol since last night so i wouldn't come up is drunk but i'm sure it's still in my sister. I mean will you near professional lately. I am i have. I have an on again. It's like my relationship with religion. I have an on again off again relationship sometimes. I i'm i'm really close. I walk really close with lord alcohol in sometimes. Don't sometimes one time. I took a nine month break. So i think i'm actually do for one anyway. Let's not be serious. So that kinda i thought that was rather fortuitous. Some like dang this is really gonna be like close to home so whatever you told me we're going to cover wild crazy drunks from around the world that kinda got me thinking about my history which i think from what we said in context clues you figure out i i i like to party. Come off as like a someone that's always screwed up is just when i have fun. I have too much fun as the best way to say it. And i'll go on little binges so that's commie. But they got me thinking about myself. And how i've never done any. I've done the typical stuff new you experiment. But i've never done by men. No yes of course. no. That's why i said so close to you work strip trip like i've done hallucinogens. I've taken ecstasy. I've done acid done powder i've done. Everything would put a needle my arm. I've done for the most part. So i have a wide experienced. Got me but i've never done jank. I've never like snorted a basalt eight. Someone's face i've never done those things but it got me thinking about like the shift that i do and i'm like man. No alcohol is not crazy. It's not some wild. I guess if you shake it up making a vapor is crazy but for the most part it's widely accepted in all cultures across the world. And so you don't think much about it. It's really a devastating drug. Yeah like when. I was doing the research for this. Show it it popped up on every single top ten list for the most deadly drugs like when you google search like you talk to him mostly drugs alcohol in in one of the things said i've learned about all unlike you know heroin or cocaine. It tends to not only ruin your life. But it ruins in. And i'm not saying if i had a son who is a heroin addict it running my life the show you as you know. I'll be sharing a personal story. And in i think based on what i know about your story. You're going to show how this drug fucks up. People in the worst way ours was i going. I'm not gonna read a script. But i have notes because the way the story unfold as a timeline and i was not going to be able to memorize all these times a week. Investigators wondered what made a mom drive her minivan full of children the wong way down on new york highway causing head on collision that killed eight people including her own daughter three per nieces this morning. The stunning answer. Police say this mother was drunk. And high are andrea. Canning has more on this story with. I'm not going to be all secretive. It's the story of a woman named diane schuler and this accident took place in two thousand nine. It was Sunday july twenty. Six two thousand nine. I'm going to try and pronounce his satanic Drunks tonic water. To conic state parkway was the had happened on his in new york state somewhere. I think i'll actually. I have it right here so they were leaving campgrounds. This is a family of gosh. Was mom dad. And i believe three to four kids. You think the full number and it was also her brother in his his job. This is a is a ground. Just imagine any campgrounds in america. I looked up the website. When i was doing research. It looks like if you've ever been to any of the yogi bear campground places or anything like that just pretty much a beautiful legs cool hills and stuff for the kids the play all that stuff two and a half hours southeast of new york city boards at this family was like they're all about it every weekend they were out there they had just spent the weekend there there. I think friday through sunday woke up sunday. They had driven multiple vehicles. I think at least two mentioned in the story there was a pickup truck and then diane was driving a two thousand four two thousand five red windstar and so that her brother owned it which actually ends up putting him over layer on. That's kind of where the time starts in this timeline. I did not put together. It's from there Multiple you can do your research. It's actually really fun. I hear stories. I haven't heard of another podcast. I listen to. I'll start geeking out and reading the original articles and stuff so anyway you'll find multiple articles this is from a true crime. Law found all site the name somewhere. So don't get our hands left but the day started elect five thirty four. The dad he gives up. He's cleaning the boat. He's doing the stuff. The wife wakes about nine She gets the kids ready in packed up. Diane she gets up at seven. I can't hear that she begins getting hurt two children. I'm going to read this script because it is informative since seven. Am diana wakes up and begins getting her two children. Brian five and erin too as well as her three nieces. Emma eight years old alison seven in k. Five dressed in ray. That's at seven at nine thirty. The dad leaves a pickup truck to the this is what his his. Name's danny danny in diane schuler. So danny the father drives off with a pickup truck that they own and the family dog. I'm really confused about that. About why if it were me. I would take some of my kids with me. Not just the dog. This is the liberty liberty new york at nine fifty six. Am so these are. This is the time online based often footage. So basely imagine leaving. They leave separate he leaves. They live about the same time he keeps going and she makes a few stops so the time line is from the foot security footage. It's put together by security footage from the stop. She made and then like mine. Woman calls in eyewitness reports after the fact. Okay so it's a. It's a hodge podge of different sources at nine fifty six. She stops at a mcdonald's as the first place where footage as seen at this point in time she looks normal. She's not act displaying any signs of being intoxicated. The kids are playing the play pat place one article. I read even said that one of the mcdonald's employees was like no she even had an extended conversation of me and she was completely fallen. She ordered no food and this is very telling. If you're a drunk she ordered no food but your orange juice. I'm not gonna completely give it away not much of a mystery. But i'd like to leave that little bit later on the story but if you're drunk drinker any type you know what you want. Mortgages for of your. If you're if you're a drinker she orders the orange juice. The kids play for some time. They spend a little bit of time there but roughly forty six minutes or so they leave at nine fifty six so that nine fifty six the next place. The food captures her. She purchases an orange juice and she takes to the car as they leave so she buys the orange juice as leaving mcdonalds at ten forty six. She stops for gas. The footage at the gas station shows her in asking the clerk. For jill cap pain relievers tylenol or something for some reason the stores either out of stock or they just didn't have. That's another thing that's weird. I can't understand why you would be drinking a lot and then want some painkillers unless you already hung over you know what i mean a true true but i don't know why else you stop. S for hitting medicine will also know what is called hair of the dog true. So you know they're camping. Stay up all night. Partying little hanky panky. They fall hard creek in the back. Yeah i i think her being hungover would explain the otherwise. I don't quite get it. Her intoxication in this situation and her like Against her addictions were big centerpiece of this whole thing after the initial Bidding thing that drug out afterwards. Lots of legal stumps. Let's get back into. I think here's my my lucas theory. And i think that she started drinking at ten thirty three when she bought that orange juice. I think that's why she seemed normal. Right i mean and if you think about it it makes sense. Because unless you're lightweight you taking a few shot take three shots back to back as drunk. And i don't get it takes me to forty five minutes Might loosen up a little bit right away but to actually flew. It takes a good while i looked it up and google says it takes about thirty minutes to your facts and if you're an experienced drinker the other thing i've experienced i i know is that you don't realize how drunk you are because you're used to the feeling exactly so you know and especially if you're sitting down for a long time you're driving that you feel fine and then you get up and go so you know. I think her coming off normal her drinking something that doesn't really have the strongest sent mean alcohol has set but i think that she was drunk a long time in the people who are like. Oh yeah she. She seemed fine when i saw her. I think that they just couldn't tell no doubt so now. They're in middleton area new york so they're traveling back to where i don't remember the actual city traveling back home passing two little small towns in. You're eleven thirty seven emma. This is one of the her nieces calls. Her dad Warren from the ants foam in says. Hey we're running late. Nothing alarming so far warren. Talk to his sister for a little bit but nothing unusual about the call when he spoke to her he didn't have any reasonably. There's been a thing. I mess the next time. Line given okay. This is sort of in tandem with this eleven. Thirty seven time stamp says between eleven thirty twelve pm so eleven. Thirty twelve pm. Eye-witnesses report seeing a red minivan driving erratically aggressively on route seventeen in orange county. I don't know if this was reported after the fact or because people will at a certain point in this people begin to call Wrong it could have been after the fact maybe i. Witnesses are like yeah. We did see that eleven forty five eyewitness reports seeing so this there's a few reports there's two reports about this. The first ones at eleven forty five people saw a red minivan floor on the shoulder and a woman fitting her description hunched over losing her launch. Throwing up appearing to be it said some of them reports say appearing to be sick. But i mean you know what heating looks like. You're driving fast. You can't physically see. The vomit projectile vomited. Before i got here by the way it was both hilarious and painful. Y- i thought you were going to share that story but maybe another time. Oh this is a no. I made i kinda. I kinda made notes of michael kinda copied and pasted from things that i found on which we have to cite those. So we'll do the. This is something i wrote. One hour and fifteen minutes after the orange juice purchase is win. These reports began. So that's how long it took. Kerr assuming. she started at ten thirty three with the orange juice with the orange juice. Let's say it took her two minutes to get to the car. Get the kids. Trapped in solicitation started drinking ten minutes later. Sure that's about an hour and fifteen minutes to start acting. Ask the see. It doesn't really matter that nobody up to that point. The saw her displaying signs of it. Because at this point she's been driving a while right. Yeah and you know mixing drinks. Allegedly it is really hard dispute. I think somewhere. I read so many cases recently but i think some are. The case was circumstantial but that it couldn't be dismissed because it's toxicology report. Maybe that wasn't that one. 'cause toxicologist Concrete now anyway. Twelve o eight. Jackie hance warren's wife so her brother her sister in law calls diane and talks for about two minutes and she called the conversation normal yet again. Twelve thirteen minivan passes through the heron toll plaza southbound through a new york twelve fifteen to twelve forty five pm. Eyewitnesses report a red minivan driven by someone looking a whole lot like diane driving erratically and aggressively weaving in traffic She was like riding. In between two lanes hawking her horn tailgating people Be beligerant basically now at this point still the same time line okay. This is another report. This is the second report it says. Still twelve to fifteen forty five Another report a woman pulled over appearing to be unwell. Wrong number is dialed from diane's phone so now she's trying to call people Screwed up and she's like hitting the buttons and stuff or it could have been one of the kids right right because they didn't have her cell phone yes at one point okay. Twelve fifty eight. So we're almost at one o'clock here. We're getting close to the climax of this thing. Toll fifty eight twelve fifty. Emma calls her father again. Is the second call this time. She's panicked so now. It's finally obvious there's something going on. She reports that her aunt is incoherent. She can't see she's She's confused and that they're losted. She doesn't an order going now. This is a famous. This is a famous tagline is even a documentary. She's hurt. She is quoted as saying the daughter. Emma there's something wrong with and i am the mother. Then here's the children all crying in the background. The call just drops that was twelve. Fifty eight at one. Oh one the dad warn calls diane and talk for about eight minutes at the same time the mini van passes through tappan zee toll. Plaza warned describes diane as disoriented Her words slurred calls dang so she calls them her husband's name she has and she's talking to somehow. She handed the phone back or one of the daughters or nieces grabbed it. But em i gets on the phone and diane pulls over. She reports seeing sign that reads sleepy hollow and tarrytown hand takes the phone and her brother's like wait. Stay where you're asked a pullover on coming to you. This is something. I as a my notes. I just wonder what i would do if i were him like. I have the benefit of hindsight. But why didn't he ask to talk to one of the older kids like why. I wouldn't tell my drunk sister. Don't go where our guests. Can you please hand oldest default. Whoever that is for the keys be like look whatever you do. Do not get in that. Flannigan get outs down. The shoulder wave people down. Anything can do not get back in that van leer. In a don't understand baffles me as i read it on To that point now to that point at one ten pm four wrong numbers were dialed from that phone now. This is very interesting i find. There's so many things about this story that are more apt to say just real quick though if all these wrong numbers are being dialed. You know it's not like the nineties where you have to memorize people's phone numbers anymore. So i almost wonder if like maybe the kids did have the phone and they're trying to call people that they know. In order to get help man that could be energised not able to nail down the number. That theory might make a lot of smick. This part next parking lot of sense in this parts really trippy genius is my mind is charging for smart. That's why i send you all my difficult dance one ten pm four remember cold and this is crazy for diane leaves her phone neatly airy article. I read about this all us. Everybody used the word neatly on the concrete. The little concrete wall just past the toll plaza so i had a different. Take on this actually. Yeah i was thinking. I'm like man you know i'm usually a good guy. But when i'm dressing up in it. S an asshole and when i'm dropping off in a matter of money and i start festering what i think they're thinking about me and i start festering on like like things on. I've been mad about them for in the past and stuff like that at one time well stories do personal anyway. I've done some really mean things to hurt people's feelings and i'm thinking maybe she was pissed. A brother maybe. She didn't realize how screwed up. She was maybe she was annoyed. Like do not gonna keep calling me and telling me what to do. Yeah maybe she was like you know what you can't get to me. That's what i thought leaves the phone. Yeah but i'm sitting here thinking. If i was i forget i had to go. Scroll through. I think the oldest was like eight or something. Maybe a little bit older. But i'm thinking if our older kid trying to think the lake all my dad did know where i'm at our rat. Leave a trail for him. Let me leave an article behind. Oh yeah but why the fun. Why the most important asset you have like a shoe the maybe. That's not good. One fifteen warren calls diane again gets her voice mill nearly a dozen other calls to her phone. Go straight to voicemail in the next twenty minutes. Can you imagine that as a dad knowing you got fucked up. Sister and your kids are with her. Like you know how to get a hold on dude. I mind will to my theory and not to victim. Shame but let's say there was a wild night and you wake up and you have to pack up your tent or whatever it was that they were using and i think it would have been like pretty obvious at least that she wasn't feeling well. You know when when looking at my theory why did you grab your dog. I don't again. I don't wanna trigger anyone triggered but why did you grab the dog that that's why i said the to get that. I'll keeping what you said. Just keep that in mind. Cause it's gonna it's gonna make some sense in the in the end. One thirty there in mount pleasant new york diane turns right from pleasantville road onto an exit ramp headed in the wrong direction. Classic drunk move head wrong direction for the conic. Parkway she goes southbound against traffic for almost two miles a causing more than a dozen cars swerve to miss her. Multiple nyland calls were made some report honking their horns at diane attempting to get her attention. I've been in parts of town where i am sober and i it looks. I couldn't tell it's a one way hearts of houston or confusing. I'll be like in. Everyone's let pissed at me honking on my hope catches my attention. So you imagine how the state she's gotta be in the drive two miles not people they state she was staring straight ahead. I didn't. I don't remember this part about these notes. Says she was driving with intent. The car accelerating to at least eighty five. I knew about that speed with eighty five miles an hour. She's on the wrong or another theory. What if there was something else. Even more behind the scenes between the brother in the sister and in her depressed state decided to get really drunk as some people do and after all the back and forth conversations with her brother probably calling her a piece of garbage. Or i'm just. I'm just making stuff from What if she said fuck it. I'm leave my phone here. I'm gonna drive eighty five miles an hour in the wrong direction. And i'm gonna kill myself. And guess what i'm taking your kids with coach dude hamas. Would that be that will be messed up. Honestly i like that hypothesis that theory a lot because it could make sense on this stuff so check it out at one thirty five pm. The minivan crashes head on into an suv with three people. Three guys from yonkers guy. I don't know if it's guy or gm assuming a guy guy and michael best cardi and their friend daniel longo they. I guess they were coming or going to a family party. The dad was in his seventies. Actually ages right here Let's see the data was eighty. One daniel was seventy four their friend in the sun. Let's see was forty nine. She crashed his head on to these. These guys at eighty five miles an hour. It causes them to swerve and hit another vehicle which didn't hit another vehicle all everybody in her vehicle. So i'm gonna read off these All the diseases eight total people. Emma hats years old. That was her niece alice enhanced. Seven years old. Her niece kate hands fires her niece. Aaron schumer tour's old her daughter guy a star for michael lestari anyone daniel longo seventy four in diane herself. Who is thirty six which also hit close to home for me. Because i'm thirty three damn one. What's fucked up is like we've kicked around a lot of bullshit theories more than likely because that's how our mind works but no matter what the the cause was for her to put all these people's lives in jeopardy and ultimately like the loss of lives in my book just makes her. I mean i. I hate to be like harsh Piece of garbage. Yeah yeah it's hard enough. I mean and then again back to our original statement about how readily available alcohol is. How is the most widely used drug in the entire world in the entire history of humanity. It literally could have been you or me. Or i mean anyone nights where i probably shouldn't have made it home so i don't know but the fallout from this was very like the scene was complete carnage like the minivan completely smashed in but she was her in most of the kids except for two were pronounced dead at the seen. Her son was injured. We actually survived. He's the only kin- entire thing that survived the daughter. Her two-year-old was injured but alive but she died at the hospital. It wasn't the two zero one of these eases but as one of the girls was. There's two alive. Both injured one was really ended. Was okay and he. The five year old boy was the only one of that family that survived. And then we'll have to ask though because this is kind of like. I don't know if we preface this or not but it is. This was kind of like a mystery case right or the nfl Yeah okay about it there. So basically we have a survivor. That can recall. Shit when i was five years old shirley. I don't think the one wonder. I haven't thought about or there isn't. There's nothing neither research. I did about him being questioned interesting but i have to go back and look an our no because maybe we'll do a follow up on our next episode. You know warded information pouring into some of the more scandalous things about it. Don't third car to get hit. They the people were admitted to the hospital with minor injuries. But they're action released that day so to me. It was just crazy. The contrast of likes carnage in in their entire family mowed down and then like three guys. That didn't even know them deserve. That didn't even have stitches. Maybe now it's interesting dude is so here's arrogates. At first the assumption is that there was some sort of medical issue. They didn't think that it was alcohol at first but people like witnesses who over to help. Because i think the car began to catch fire league gas or something. They weren't to get them out. Guy immediately ran up and saw children's were limp lifeless and he can tell us as a bad situation and they went to pull diana and they were pulling her out of the wreckage. There was a big ass broken bottle of absolute favorite. It's one of the other reasons there was one other dwi story. I was thinking about which. I might cover it another time but this one worn out just because it was a little. That was kind of crazy too with this. One way more carnage. They've find this bottle of vodka broken. They find the orange choose. The autopsy revealed that she had ten shots of alcohol in her system are wagner system in like six ounces of Undigested call saying our stomach out of curiosity. You probably know this but in a normal size bottle of alcohol how much of that bottle equates to ten shots probably a good quarter like you get down to the beginning of the label mon. Maybe a little bit past the label. But it wouldn't be halfway and that's a lot as off the drink light half a dozen times a year two or three shots on good to go for the night. She did this in one hour or two. But during the first of all when you're used to it you alcohol is one of those things where it's like an aa. 'cause the i've been a they say one drinking was one craving and it's true for the drinker. Get the first one in you. You're not thinking about man. it's not relief. It's not all men. I just enjoyed my favorite thing. I'm gonna eat. Some people will sit on the couch and sip on a soda Have one soda will magin. You're drinking the first infantry that masks so damn good. i can't wait to have another one. I'm going to have three or four. These sodas or so that. That's what happens whenever you're now hall so i think that there's probably multiple things happening but then addiction does what it does in. That's one of the things i like about. Dwi stories man. Because i think she's a piece of garbage too. But then i'm a nice guy i'm On pretty good dad most of the time. But then if i get fucked up may i make a bad decision get fucked up and go kill somebody all that people are gonna remember that killed a bunch of people because i got drunk as one of my best friends. It's like if i got a call tomorrow saying man. Lucas got really really drunk. He drove the wrong way on the highway and he he crashed in. He killed everyone involved in the accident. It would be the most devastating news ever. But i think at some point either that night or maybe a year from now or ten years from now i might look back and say like yes. Sounds like something he would. You know it in. It's bad right. Because i love you to death but you know it's real and again by here in just a second. I'm going to share personal story but to our listeners. We talk a lotta shit. And we're going to tell some really messed up. Stories on his podcast. I think lucas not both care. More people than any other people. I've ever met in my entire life. And we want you to be entertained by stories but this is a special episode that i i hope. If you're struggling with something like this just understand that you're not immune. I don't care if you've done it at thousand times. It's not a matter of if it's going to happen because this shit happens. Every single day has really bad here in texas houston she had six ten shots on our blustering. Ounces of alcohol in her undying unknown absorb alcohol in her stomach based off of. I didn't know that these tests this precise but based off of talk like drug tests cheese smoked weed up to fifteen minutes before the crash. Oh so she's also token she's smokin entire talent and so can she it based off the blood work. This woman had smoked within that close of a timeframe of that I have also love week. I have cross faded. That's when you mix alcohol and pot if you didn't know that my favorite it's my favorite. I've crossed faded so much in my life. It's my go-to we'd has never made me feel drunker. It usually helps me kind of catch my bearings and stop being so do so. I don't think that being a weed. Smoker i'm not a hundred percent convinced that smoking me before you got. I think it was ten shots of I think it was if she didn't have audio in her system and she smoked. That record of never happened. When i get exactly what you're saying because i i like i tend to do the exact same thing. I don't partake very much. Alcohol marijuana whatever. But i'm i'm kind of like the guy like i'll i'll take one or two hits that i know is gonna make me feel relaxed but then i'll start to sip on alcohol as the party or whatever goes on to just maintain that in. It's like israel slow and you know i only do it big like once or twice a year you know for me. It's just relax and sounds like for her. She needed to be drunk and she needed to be super high. And this is horrible. story Unfortunately was extremely inevitable. But it didn't have to be as the first thing. And here's what is leading up to her husband and her brother for some reason contested. Her her not only the fact that she was messed up that day. They denied that she was a pot smoker at first. He said that she wasn't drunk. He said that the bottle of vodka was probably because they took the always took one in the camper in she probably just put it back there washed in the back while she was packing up to leave and part of what makes this. I should have mentioned this in the beginning. Just imagine you're like what you're american family middle-age to middle aged overweight people that you need fast food kind of just imagined the pta the sticker on the back the data the job and actually she had a good paying job. One as a good job Like this whole this whole american family. She was like the pta mom or friends of hers. I get it but she had sixteen shots of liquor in like like. I said i drink. I smoke a little. Like you know what i mean like once a year on my birthday. August super project. But if this if this woman is really what the husband brother and stuff or saying. That's me like i i'm the i'm the really great dad. I have a fulltime job. I do everything i'm supposed to do like i'm a little behind him on taxes but that's beside the point For the most part. I do everything i'm supposed to do. I don't wake up on a sunday after camping trip with my family and consumed sixteen shots of alcohol on the way home. Really dark place it so i'm just saying i think it's bullshit but what what i was getting his. I'm trying to paint this picture as you can see forgot. No-one saw the pictures. Some people haven't heard still haven't seen the pictures. Imagine that kind of family. I think that played a big role in his denial. I don't think he warranted show. That had problems. All her friends reported that she was always the kind of percents. Oh i got this game. I thought she was always giving out gifts. She was always like it was facebook. Culture will Yet but so. That's the image that she had. She never talked about anything negative they never they would always tweet things on the world they were. They were all there for show and i can't take credit for this site the blog. I found that this is someone else's theory they were like i ends. Mom left them one nine and she had a kind of grow up without that and be like i think she had to step in and using like that so i think she when she had though. I think this person thinks that she wanted her family to be perfect and she didn't ever show like any kind of like Of under the surface getting screwed up to hide paintings and and she wasn't dealing with past hanes. Explain the addiction. And i thought that was a good theory i like. I like years of the whole brother and sister are even said that. Because it's probably not true. And i i do is like i guess. Victim shame is the twenty twenty word Yeah jank jank. The the house been was so adamant that she was not intoxicated. That he hired. It took them some time. He got his money together and hired on investigator. We also asked the hands and the boss daddy penalty for statements. They declined to provide them. All right. tom ruskin your the Investigator on behalf of daniel. What have you found what we've found. Is everything contrary to the fact that she was drinking that day we found that she left the campground at around nine thirty. Daniel left right in front of her at that. Point in time preceded Diane and the kids proceed to the mcdonalds. The police have said that in analyzing the video from mcdonald's that they see nothing unusual in in her behavior we know she was at mcdowell. Still ten forty that morning. We found my firm and my investigators found in a convenience store right in close proximity to the mcdonald's. We found that. Diane pulls in with the mini van owned by her brother and enters that convenience store after filling up her car or the minivan with gas. She needs and she looks around the store looking for something then comes back and you see her very clearly on the video engaging the store clerk in a conversation the store clerk has given us a statement which says that he independently remembers. Diane schuler. he didn't know. Is the woman involved in the takada. Ick parkway accident. He remembers her and he picked her out of the video. As we were going through the video of that day he said that's the woman who came in and was looking for tylenol or advil gel caps. He didn't have it. She's the parts and you see her very clearly walking in and walking out of that store what appears to be a totally normal walk and going out and getting back into the car and leaving we then know that she proceeded down Route seventeen eastbound trump. Yeah that's a very indicative. And you're a veteran investigator yet. Oh as your conclusion that the medical examiner is totally wrong. The new york police the police division state police are totally wrong. Everybody is wrong but you. This man is investigator. Found out this. The exact same thing ran his own independent tests his own labs and got the exact same results. she was spile accounts by two researchers best drunken blown. I feel bad for these guys. I mean you try to paint this gorgeous picture of this gorgeous family and in it sucks that even in the end. They couldn't say she had a problem. I think that that's what that's what facilitated. They are all in denial. Everything's okay everything endings. And they just kept on going on ios you think even in private they just said no she just i mean. She drinks a little because he didn't really know her. I read the articles horns and many articles i read. I read somewhere that they were like. They were on two different schedules. He worked nights and she worked as vice versa and though so when he saw her she put on his face but he was. They were on different. Schedules was easier. I go out and drink and come back and recover by the time he gets home and so we'll that seems to be a reoccurring theme in my life. As i hear stories like this to of when you hear like husbands and wives you know like i mean i went through it in my own with my own wife. Her ex husband was like this normal. But now nsur khaki wearing motherfucker right. That had a full time job and and she didn't even realize that he had a drinking problem which ultimately broke up their marriage but didn't realize the whole dating process everything and on their honeymoon cruise. He spent twelve hundred dollars in alcohol in like five days. So like she's gone through the credit card statements like and then she told me throughout the course of the marriage she would go to clean organize something or whatever. Pull out some books from the bookshelf. There would be like an empty bottle hidden back there. There would be empty bottle in the top shelf of the closet. There would be a bottle under the mattress like bottles everywhere and but he didn't really drink at home in front of her. The kids he would stop on the way from work grabs model drinking on the way home. Maybe another one in the briefcase. After everybody goes to bed he'd go in the living room. Drink a bottle sticking behind the plant and in you're shaking your head right now yeah. It's it's really really sad is happening probably happening in a good portion of the families that you currently know you're like you know what i wish. We could be like that family but in private. You have no idea what these people are doing. As point his continual denial of it in his can't began to become burdensome. Four the serve the families of the victims they. Actually i think i forget who it was. I think maybe one of the best starry people's daughters or someone was basically look every time you deny this publicly. Try and go on shows and make. It seem like she didn't have a problem you. It's painful for us the year you we have to relive in every time you should just accept the truth and i think more than one family member from the different families came out looking you stop. It's time to stop. And that was a big part of what made it so controversial. The broader got sued. He imagines three kids in getting sued because the family of the best authorities in maybe other two people died sued the brother as well as danny because the brother the van was being driven. Now so why. Why did you let her drive on top of that. This is great. This is the last information i have. A documentary came out. And i think you can actually find it on youtube. It's called. there's something wrong with diane. I forget the that surrounded. But danny the the husband diana of suing his forerunner in law over something after that documentary came out he imagined after all of that in all his years ago by people. Make a documentary about your family pain. And then you getting sued by your own. Former brother-in-law this the whole thing is is more in tragedy and scan not the most scandalous thing but just that whole denying that the intoxication the mystery behind the the toxicology report. And all that stuff. It's like the crash that kept giving for awhile the tragedy that kept getting worse when it was all said and done eight people mostly kids lost their lives. But when talking about the drugs that i spoke of after hearing lucas story. Most of us would agree. That we couldn't fathom actively consciously choosing this most people have some form of addiction though and most of the addictions are actively killing us as part of the human condition addiction. Plays a part in all of our lives whether it's the need for that first cup of coffee in the morning. The habit of meeting that cold one on the way home my wife. That can't sleep. Most nights without her tylenol pm in the chewing tobacco. That's in my mouth. As i wrote this most addictions destroy part of us. And we consciously know this in. Choose to continue anyway. It destroys us mentally physically but it sometimes destroy those those around us as well secondhand smoke from cigarettes killing those around. You may be true or not is definitely destroying the bank account of those bearing you and it takes extra time we could have had with those at us. Tobacco for me is an expensive habit. Anos destructive but it's something. I can't shake at this point in my life. It's definitely not healthy and more than likely is actively killing me in i choose it. Anyway i'm overweight. I'm going to have serious health problems in the future. Because of how eaten. But i just can't seem to help myself in scientists disguised chef as chefs at your favorite fast food. Places are getting paid a ton of money to make sure that doesn't change. I was the product of an alcoholic drug using father and they say that addiction is hereditary. I don't drink but stuff my face with food. Emma liquid dip in can't quit to understand it. Most of these stories about my past will probably see my monologue has the show continues in the future piece by piece but for today i think about this aspect. My father can never quit. Total vehicles stays in jail. A family living squalor. Nothing would stop his addictions until that fateful night. We live with my stepdad already. For about a year which is interesting because my stepdad was a former a sponsor of my biological father. I remember being woken up around ten pm in hearing that news at it finally happened. My dad had killed someone while drinking and being on drugs. I walked into the living room to see the nighttime news. Display my data truck into the side of the freeway in another vehicle. The new said that it was a fatal wreck most likely caused by ill weather conditions that everyone in my living room. That night knew what the deal was. The story goes the man was killed. The man that was killed had broken down on the shoulder and was waiting behind his vehicle for help to arrive when my father being under the influence veered off the road smashes man between both vehicles likely killing him instantly during the show. We joked around a lot but in reality drugs and alcohol destroyed two families at night. I wish i knew the family. That was devastated. A father soccer just know that they're okay. I think about who they are who they were were they are now. I blame a lot of my problems at the age of forty five. Dad did up in my life leading up to twelve year. Old me getting woken up that night when my father was in the accident. But i know somewhere out there in the same city. There was another child being woken up and finding out that his father had been killed. This information is seemingly mentally challenged individuals going to extremes in getting fucked up can be really funny but it's definitely no joke. We're killing ourselves. We're killing those around us sometimes. Quite literally with what we choose to grab a hold of our lives. If you think you're immune please think again. That's the end of our very first episode. So how do you feel have fun. I hope the fund translates to interesting Is probably the worst show ever. I think it was better than i heard. Some really really cracking podcasts. Were that bad. Yeah at least the best of the really crappy ones or the best. The ones that have never been playing yet. I don't know. I don't even know what you just said either. I am thinking that i lost. I lost all my nutrients from vomiting. Yeah exactly yeah. If lucas was feeling under the weather today. But we've already put this podcast off like two or three times and there is no way no way. He was going to let a little projectile vomit in his car. And all over his clothes. I'd sell through so Yeah quick story. I was hungover this morning and it pretty much just kind of hanging. Were at six. The all day. I thought i was done. Vomiting got home change heads yogurt and i was feeling fine. Got in the jeep. Start heading tommy's muslim All man i can. I can make an i had brought a bag but what you know. I decided to start vomiting decided to start shooting it out while i was trying to stop sign so i grabbed the bag and put under my chin but it didn't open so just dribble down and got all all muster. My pants and i found streets pullover in. Put the emergency lights hopped out and this. You can't see the motion i'm doing. We're just imagine any movie. Someone projectile vomited at or on and it was like that. So needless to say Lucas gave me a heads up me. He was gonna smell like Like shit He told me what he did. And i'm like in my mind. Yeah my stomach hurts. i feel like i'm gonna vomit. Let me put some yogurt on top of that. So what a dummy in after losing all the weight luckily fits in my youngest son's close up and just eighteen year anyway we're gonna go ahead and In the show now thank you very much for joining us. And i hope it was as much fun for you guys as it was us. Yes as guys all right so. I'm probably going to be speaking right here. But the problem that i had the other day was ps. So i think this is probably about as loud as i'm gonna talk okay In go ahead and might test out some. Maybe we could just avoid saying all words was p. Yeah you have to ride it out because you have to make sure Peter i ever. Oh shit i just like do some weird pig. Latin where we replace with something else.

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Episode 4: Bar Rats

CounterClock

35:38 min | 4 months ago

Episode 4: Bar Rats

"Someone Fatally Stabs Stacy Stanton inside her apartment on February third. This was violent brutal. On February third nineteen. Ninety someone brutally murdered twenty eight-year-old Stacey Stanton inside of her second story apartment in North Carolina. Then cleaned up and disappeared the residents of manual have lived in fear. For Thirty Years Stanton's killer has had one face and one name North Carolina investigators in mania police believe that someone is Clifton Spencer. But his prejudice, they absolutely have tunnel vision that it was the black man who killed the white woman keeping an innocent man convicted they will know now with. Good old. Man. And covering up more than one crime. For that guy, I, just really search lake. This is counterclockwise the investigation into the murder of Stacey Stanton. I'm your host. Delia Denver. After my interview with Gary Traffic and bizarre phone call with HP, Williams I started having some serious questions about the original investigation into Stacy's murder. The more people I interviewed the more things just seemed off about pretty much everything. No one I'd spoken with up until this point believe Clifton was a killer. And it wasn't just Clinton's friends who were expressing this. The people that now had second thoughts and may be expressed. Doubt included a former Superior Court judge and the Prior District Attorney. Obviously Clifton denies he's guilty despite taking the plea deal. Because his interview so far in this show have been on the phone you may be thinking he's still incarcerated, but he's not he was paroled in two thousand and seven after serving seventeen years of his life sentence. He's a free man now sixty one years old and a convicted felon for second degree murder. Once, he got out of prison he sort of disappeared and to find him I searched prisoner databases for a long time. Welcome to the North Carolina post-rally supervision woke nation I also pestered the State's Parole Commission. I'm looking for an offender that would have been let out on parole and two, thousand and seven, and so is there no documented history with your agency of that process? Feel Perot which Noah I believe. So I mean he was released on a life sentence in two seven. So I'm assuming it's a lifetime parole. Clifton C L I F T O. Gene when I finally got a telephone number for him I, called him this year and he agreed to speak with me when he learned how much research I've done on this case. Our interviews are recorded over the phone because Clifton, interstate truck driver, and he's never in one place for very long. We've talked a lot during his stretches on the road. I've always liked to travel. Those truck driver in army. So I decided to start driving truck again. Just been in destruct by myself it really does. Gives me a whole lot of piece of my. Ass. Mostly. What it does for me is. It gives me a lot of peace just to be sometimes just. The privacy of my own self? And what I mean by that is. into system. You never alone. You know it's always someone around you. Twenty four seven is he the other inmates or either the guards or whatever? Some people may say something like being a bit institutionalized but I look at standpoint. Being. Able to reflect on today what's been going on in my life for that Particular Day He has two ex wives and adult daughter who lives in Germany to this day. He says, they're still rebuilding their relationship. Log Daughter. was three years old. Twenty. Let's see when I saw issues twenty three twenty. But I didn't think I'll stand in as long as I did. By no means. Was Probably. Like Probably about seventeen years and I spent most of it. Probably little into North Carolina and Hornet Croatia. What was the makeup of that prison? Prison. You'll saw it was crowded. As a huge sex offender population there as well because to have the schools for two sex offenders there. Clifton says he's not a murderer but admits that he made a lot of bad lifestyle choices in nineteen ninety, which made him an easy target to put the blame on. If. I been out on drugs that have a job and hang around the people. I. Do WanNa put myself in that position in I What would you go back and tell yourself if you could speak to yourself in February of nineteen ninety. I. The phobos keeping all don't speak ahead anyone. and. Not He split in a position where I'm all with two officers. That I don't know. Wait until I can get some good legal advice. From the time that I was arrested for discharge. Made. A promise to myself. With God that all the things that transpired in my like it put the disposition. I would never do home again and I have that made a stop drinking. Using drugs stop hanging out with people that do like. Stop hanging out in clubs. In bars. Every time we talk one way or the other we ended up going through what he remembers from February Third Nineteen Ninety nothing in his version of events has changed in the last thirty years. I've compared what he's told me to the seventeen hundred pages of interrogation documents and transcripts in the case, and it's all the same he never deviates. In our interviews I knew I had to stay objective in them. That's why I kept referencing these old documents to see if Clifton changed his story I read through his statements to police multiple times. So I'd be prepared remember I started out as a newcomer to this story in my mind there's always been a fifty fifty chance that Clinton could be a murderer or he's completely innocent. As. We've grown to know one another I have no problem asking him direct questions. If. You did it kill Stacey? Who Do you think did? Worried. At all is of harassing pointed towards by. But I've always felt that he might have asked doing. He's ruled Ole Child to that. I knew as far France I, don't know any. He's the most logical 'cause I don't know anybody else. Mike. Brandon. Stacy's ex boyfriend. He's Clifton original connection to Stacey. Where log new might I? Use Carpenter and I used to deliver sheet rock to Hewitt a sites that he used to work at got on food that. I flipped back through my notes and the state lab paperwork and realized other than fingerprinting him having to interviews. Authorities never looked at Mike depth at least not the way they looked at Clifton, they didn't even retrieve Mike's hair or blood to compare to what was found at the crime scene and what was found on Stacy's body the lab only compared Clifton. DNA. To the crime scene in victim nobody else. Clifton doesn't remember much about my other than the fact that Mike Dated Stacey and they did drugs together sometimes. But Wayne Morris Remembers Mike Very, well. Might. I never liked it every time I saw that it was just something about this. Do you do? And I knew he had some racist racism in Kohl's enough seeing some guys Getting. Ready to tighten him plenty of time. When I mentioned that this Guy Used to miss with stacy us man that's Juna grew. Wayne says Mike's Crowd, always hung out in the downtown manual bars where Wayne says those who were black just didn't go except Clifton. Clifton. Went wherever he wanted unimportant with clear per se you come sometime we get high together. What are we going to party? I didn't never did he was party downtown. I wanted to learn more about Mike. So I circled back to the stack of documents that included his statements to investigators. I needed to get a clearer picture of what exactly happened at the Green Dolphin pub in the hours before Stacy's murder particularly between Mike Stacey and Clifton. In the weeks between the murder and Clifton, west the SBA in police took a lot of statements from different people who were in and out of the bar that night. and. These witnesses were a cast of characters to say the least. I there was stacey who got their between four thirty and five o'clock. Then she left briefly to go to the diner next door and eventually returned to the bar between five, thirty and six. She was said to be drinking wine coolers and hanging out for another hour or two, but eventually left upset about Mike. As we know Mike was there too and he said he arrived between five thirty and six patty row. His new girlfriend was already there and hung out with Mike when he arrived. Then, there's a set of siblings, David and Joni Newman. Joni David frequented the pub and new pretty much everyone inside. Here's memories of what transpired that night. That night we were all down the for the Green Dolphin. Me and Mike and Patty and Stacey was there. Cliff Spencer was there and Went into the pool room start shooting pool and. My Brandon and Forget the other guy's name the guy that they charged with the murder Clifton Spencer. Spencer they were in the pool room standing up against the wall. Will I overheard them talking about going to smoke crack As the night went on Joni David knew that Mike Patty and Stacey all being in the same place was going to cause problems because it was well known that drama between the three of them in the small town had reached an entirely new level. Is there something getting at you or getting in the way of you being happy do you feel like there's something preventing you from achieving your goals? If the answer's Yes, better help is here to help better help assesses your needs and matches you with your own licensed professional therapist better help as counselor network that gives you access to a broad range of expertise. You can start communicating with a therapist in under forty eight hours. 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Mike Patty and Stacey all being at the Green Dolphin pub on February second nineteen ninety was a bad mix tensions were high because word had gotten out about some salacious drama between the three of them. He was with Mike and Mike was Dayton both of them at a time. And Patty was pregnant. Just, broken up with stacey us a maybe a couple days before that or the day before. Well Patty came over there and started talking to Michael she started dating her. And argument got pretty heated. Comes up and tells stacey that you probably should leave. They were. Screaming at each other. Stays he was crying. Same, like Patty wanted to pounder. Jealousy. Patty's pregnancy and the banter between her stacey and Mike at the bar was something police already knew about. Remember Mike told police in his first statement that Patty was pregnant but he said he wasn't sure if stacy new well, obviously stacy found out at the pub and according to Joni. That's what got her so upset. Joni says Stacey was still holding out hope that her and Mike would get back together and it's not like Mike didn't feed into that. He said that just five days before the murder he was still sleeping with stacy and they'd had sex several times while he was dating. Patty. But the pregnancy changed things for Mike. He had to finally make a choice and says that night in the pub he chose Patty. Another witness to all of this is a woman named Susan Corinthian Susan wasn't easy to find. I actually had a door, knock an entire street in Manny, oh to finally locator and it was by. Chance that she was even home a few minutes before I got to her door she'd been on a bike ride. And I could have missed her by seconds. Fortunately that didn't happen, and when I explained what I was investigating, she agreed to do an interview. What do you remember for sure seeing or hearing in the bar that night I had heard that Patty was pregnant and Mike was Still Must Moran was Stacey and there was a lot of back and forth and Stacey left upset. It seems like I remember. Patty. Getting in Stacy's face and that's why Stacey left. Susan Joanie and David say they never expected that the next time they heard about stacy it'd be the news that she'd been murdered. Someplace Shah, I was just upset. I mean. She was a nice girl. She never heard anybody she didn't do anything bad. She was a good person. I just couldn't believe somebody would do something like that. When you found out the way, Stacey had been killed. What did you think? That had to be extremely personal. Did seem like for you to have that much raged on someone that you wouldn't just do that randomly that that would be something that you know you had to have a lot of heart and to spend the time the effort that was involved in killing, earn away she who was. Probably. One of the best witnesses in the bar on the night of February second is a woman named Barbara Jean McGinnis SBA agents and chief Steve. Day interviewed her on February sixth the Tuesday after the murder. Now Barbara Story. Is Pretty lengthy at this point, my investigation I haven't been able to track her down but a lot of the records I found and some testimony from sources tells me that she's likely dead. But I'll go through her statement that I located within the case file because it's important to hear. According to Barbara Statement from February sixth nineteen ninety she says, she got to the bar around seven o'clock and noticed Joni and Patty going outside together and it looked like Patti was upset. Barbara walks over to Mike to ask him what's up with Patti and why he's to timing both her and stacy. Barbara. Comes across to me as a really direct person in these transcripts she wasn't afraid to tell men when they sucked. The only thing Mike said to her when she confronted him was that he could care less about stacy. So Barbara's like whatever and goes to talk with Stacey at the Jukebox and right away it's clear to her that stacey is upset because she grabs her arm and leads barber to the bathroom to vent. Barbara says inbetween tears and drunk sentences Stacey just goes on and on about Mike leaving her for Patty. Once again, Barbara is blunt and she tells Stacey to forget, Mike he's a cheater and not worth her time. But Stacey just keeps on about Megan how much she loves him despite the fact that she says Mike Hits. Her. Sometimes. Now. This really gets Barbara fired up and she tells Stacey again to forget, Mike he's trash and she deserves better. The, two of them go back out into the bar and the next thing Barbara knows stacey is grabbing her case of wine coolers and leaving. That's when Barbara says she started hollering at Mike and most of the men in the bar for letting stacey takeoff and such a vulnerable state not even caring if she drove drunk. One of those men getting Barbara's verbal wrath is a guy named Richard Fugate. Now, Richard is the man who I mentioned earlier this season, he actually left the bar shortly after stacy and he's the Guy Clifton remembers being stacy's apartment when he was there. To be sure I did my due diligence I attempted to contact Richard. Multiple Times for the PODCAST hasn't responded. He's currently a convicted felon who released from prison in twenty seventeen for kidnapping and violent assault. I felt for my own safety, it wasn't wise to go to his home. Either way I have as full statement from his interview with. From. February fourth nineteen ninety the day after the murder. Here's a voice actor to read what he provided investigators. Got To the pub around six thirty and talked with stacy for a bit. She asked how my girlfriend was. Then she started talking about her problems with her ex Mike I shared a little more about me and my girlfriend then station I parted ways. Around eight thirty, maybe it was nine o'clock. She left I kept drinking at the bar until nine thirty then left for a walk and ended up at her apartment. We talk some more and she kept on about how upset she was with Mike. We made our way inside had a mixed drink in her place and she asked me if I would go back to the bar and convinced Mike to come over. I told her no. A few minutes later, a tall black guy showed up and introduced himself as Carter suggs from tar borough. But I'm from Tar Borough knew that this guy wasn't Carter I. Think he was lying. This blackout was wearing a jacket and a collared shirt and had short hair. He accused me of not liking black people and I started feeling real uncomfortable. So I left like five minutes after he got there. I felt weird about it though like maybe I shouldn't have left. When I got back to the Paul around ten thirty my girl had called wanting to know if I needed a ride home. I. Told her no and waited until the bar closed the bartender done. gave me a ride home. What's interesting to me is that, Richard, statement gives him a pretty solid alibi and just like Mike did he threw Clifton in the spotlight for being the last person with stacy? But if you look at it closely, Richard Actually Corroborates Clinton's memory. Clinton said in his interrogation that he was inside Stacy's apartment drinking with her and a white guy. This accurate because Richard says the same thing. Richard States that when he left Clifton Stacey would have been alone for a period of time in her apartment, which again matches Clifton version of events. So there's nothing about what Richard says that makes Clifton look like a liar about the sequence of events. What I don't know is why according to Richard Clifton said, he was this guy named Carter suggs and lied when he introduced himself to Richard at Stacey's the only thing I could find that may explain this is that maybe Clifton new Richard New the real Carter suggs and was just trying to pull a prank on Richard. I honestly do not know and Nowadays Clifton doesn't even remember this fake name thing even happening. Someone who can further back up both men's timelines of when they left. The Bar is Joni Newman she remembers both Richard Clifton leaving shortly after stacy did. She's also able to fill in gaps in Mike statements about what he did after he left the bar that night. Joni says her Mike Patty and two other people left the pub around eleven thirty and everyone came to her house, which just so happened to be one block over from Stacy's apartment. The distance between these two locations stacy's apartment and Johnny. Newman's house is much easier to understand in person. There's a video tour of it on our website counter clock PODCAST DOT com. But basically, if you're standing outside the front door at the top of the stairs to stacy's porch and you walked down to ground level and go straight, maybe two hundred yards to the next street over, you'd be at Jones back door. It is super close. According to Joni after leaving the bar with Mike and Patty, and two other people another hour went by and everyone was at her house sitting around drinking beer. Eventually, she goes to bed and Mike and Patty fall asleep on her couch. But, a few hours later she says, she woke up to loud noises. They woke me up like a Jew in the morning or something sometime in the morning my alleyway would me up because they were arguing loud and I remember hearing Mike Tell her he bashed the baby's head up against the wall. Eventually I went back to bed. Do you remember anything other than than waking you up in the middle of the night. And when you said they were arguing. What exactly were they arguing about that? You can recall I guess because she was pregnant and he didn't really on a have a baby with them. I. Don't know I. Guess that was the reason. Is He weren't very happy about it. According to Joni this kind of fight was typical for the couple Mike and Patty's relationship was volatile and everyone who knew them knew it. got a very. Good Tennessee to have anger issues I mean he grew up mostly in prison. So That was how he was. It wasn't a good relationship. It was violent I. Mean I know that they fought so it wasn't a good relationship. She drank and if she was out drinking and somebody said something she like or whatever she would fight, she wouldn't hesitate to not. She wouldn't walk away. Here's season quarantine again. She was extremely volatile person and getting physical with people was her method of of dealing with. With that and I knew that from the past and after that I saw it happen kind of regularly. She was somebody that way after drinking a lot and whatever other. Things she had going on. She had a switch that would flip. What's interesting is that both Susan and Joni say that they remember the public fights like this between Mike and Patty dropped off after Stacy's murder. It seemed like to them at least that Mike and Patty were conscious not to draw attention to themselves. What was patty like through all of this? Quiet. Quiet. But the couple didn't quite go into hiding either they actually attended a police press conference the Monday after the murder. I was able to find old news footage of the presser from whyy TV several neighbors and friends decided to attend Monday's briefing. And wouldn't you know it front and center are Mike, Patty and Joni. Day and a few others including the pub's owner are crowded into many Oh town halls conference room Joni even spoke on camera with the reporter, the police investigation that was going on I just don't say they're telling saying they know I understand they have to. Keep it. Closed on everything, but it's just hard. I asked Joni if she remembered that interview. What led you to go and and be there at that press conference. I don't know why I went. I can't remember that. ONS. I just wanted to know why who did this why would somebody do that? In the footage Mike Brandon also gives a quick sound bite the reporter stations that everybody station. She many enemies. There was also one other guy included in the news footage and his name is Ray. I knew that because in the video he's wearing a mechanic shirt with a name tag on the left breast pocket that says, Ray here's what he said to the news is feel like I have my. Say all this. It came across like he knew stacy. But what he said wasn't very personal he said quote I just feel like I have my few words to say all of this and quote. But what does that mean? I showed race picture to Susan Corrigan, and she identified him as Patty's younger brother. That's he's a little roller. Gray. Yes. That's when I pump the brakes. Why in the world was the group of people at this press conference made up of Stacy's ex boyfriend, his new pregnant girlfriend, his new pregnant girlfriend's brother and a bar owner. That didn't seem like a group of people you typically see gathered in a setting like that. Normally you'd expect to see Stacy's grieving family or close friends at a press conference like this not people she had serious problems with. What's even more crazy is the longer I stared at this footage playing at forwards and backwards on repeat I couldn't help but notice something strange about Mike. something. That just seemed completely not right. People ask me all the time. 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When your teamwork is effective, nothing can stop you to start your free fourteen day trial go to Monday dot com today. Every shot of Mike in whyy TV's news coverage at the press conference showed a man in emotional distress but something felt off to me. Take a look at the still images from this new segment on our website and Instagram, and you'll see what I mean. In, the clips Mike is sitting with his arm around the owner of the Green Dolphin pub comforting her. He's hunched over in obvious grief and keeps burying his face into her shoulder. What's extremely weird about this to me is that just a few seats away sitting alone with almost no expression on her pale white face is Mike's pregnant girlfriend Patti row she looks absolutely terrified. It's a picture I'll never be able to get out of my mind. I had to pick apart this news footage frame by frame to catch these moments and in the end I'm so glad I did because it's helpful and understanding what was going on back then between everyone involved in this story. Season Quarantine says an interaction she had with. Mike, after the press conference was unusual I ran into him on the sidewalk between the Green Dolphin and the manual booksellers and we talked about it briefly stacey had been found at that point and might have even been the next day. and. We were just talking about it. I asked him how he was doing and he said sue every time I, close my eyes I can see her. And he didn't elaborate and at the time I didn't ask any more you know have any Was, not a conversation that was a statement. I. Remember Him telling me how he couldn't close his eyes or he would see her. It seemed natural for Mike, to be grieving stacey but Susan says in all the time she knew him she felt that that kind of public display of sadness was nothing she'd ever seen for Mike before. I asked Joni how she remembered Mike Patty behaving after the crime. Did Patio Mike ever talk about this again after. Not Really, I mean, he always said he didn't have anything to do with it, but he didn't really discuss it a whole lot in doubt you know it was just a strange time. Do you remember ever being interviewed by the police after the crime. Yeah. I. Remember the the Guy was taking me to police station, which was on airport road at the time. Chief of police at the time and he said to me that he wished either done certain things that he didn't do I was thinking is your. Job To know what to do you know. and. That's when Jimmy said something to me. She remembered from the morning of February third something. The police asked her about back in nineteen ninety. Might layer when I got off the Patty was. Mike. Ended up calling my house. And he was downtown at the restaurant that was downtown at that time. And wanted to on my truck that day. You. Know he was trying to give me away because he knew that I had to dry for my brother-in-law that day. And I think that's what he did was call me. Make sure our awake and to see if he all the truck rock. And when I got up the next morning patty had the same clothes. She was not bloody or nothing like that in a what about Mike Mike I. Don't think he had the same Hoodie on I thought he had a different shirt on the next morning. Yeah. Because when I got up, like I said, he was gone all ran and he came back after. After woke up and talk to them, he come back. Got The truck what Members Mike. said he did it. Stacy's before calling her that morning changed everything I thought I knew about the timeline of this case. He had said that he had taken the coastline times up to her front door and laid it on the staff or some shit like that excuse language. And I couldn't understand why he would do that and not going in because he knew how to get in without having a key. How was that? I have no idea. I just know that he I, remember that he knew how to get into a house without having a k. Next time on counterclockwise. I'll breakdown a completely new sequence of events leading to stacy's murder and explain why my friend suddenly became someone I wanted to know more about. Down there come by and see me and I was like, all right whatever you know. I'll do to you what I did the her. Be Sure to follow counterclockwise on social media and subscribe on Apple Podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. counterclockwise is an audio chuck original show Ashley Flowers is the executive producer and all reporting and hosting is done by me. Delia dam.

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Episode 2: Prime Suspect

CounterClock

43:56 min | 4 months ago

Episode 2: Prime Suspect

"Someone Fatally Stabs Stacy Stanton. Inside her apartment on February third. This, was violent. Brutal. On February Third Nineteen Ninety someone brutally murdered twenty eight-year-old Stacey Stanton inside of her second story apartment in north. Carolina. Then cleaned up and disappeared the residents of Manziel have lived in fear. For thirty years, Stanton's killer has had one face and one name North Carolina investigators in Oh police. Believe that someone is Clifton Spencer. But his prejudice they absolutely have tunnel vision that it was the black man who killed the white woman keeping an innocent man convicted they will know Nassim of them will go. Good old. Man, in new there. In covering up more than one crime. For that guy I just really search league. This is counter clock the investigation into the murder of Stacey Stanton. I'm your host Delia Denver. Within hours of processing stacy's apartment, the SBA forensic team led by Dennis Honeycutt bagged and tagged a lot of evidence. He dusted nearly every surface lifting eighty-one fingerprints in total. Whether these prints belonged to just one person couple of people or even eighty one. They didn't know that but they knew there was potential that a lot of people had been in Stacey small. Rental Unit. But this didn't really surprise police because as the FBI agents got to the scene and began talking with people, they realized pretty quickly that stacy was a very social person. She had a lot of people in and out of place on a regular basis. In addition to her job as a waitress, she cut here in her apartment to make extra money on the side. So there were people coming and going from the unit all of the time. According to ESPN, is report all of the fingerprints were retrieved from surfaces like doorframes, tables, cups, stuff you would expect and none of the prints were impressions maiden, blood. So with so many fingerprints to work with they needed to figure out who belong to, but it was complicated because some of the prints were only partial. To start they at least wanted to talk with people who would have had a reason to be at Stacey's people that were close tour and were around the apartment on a regular basis people who probably had touched a lot of services in her house. They figured several prints were gonNA come back as being stacy's but they also had strong suspicions that some going to belong to a man named Norman. Brandon. Stacy's recent ex boyfriend. Now everyone knew Norman as Mike. So from here on out, we're GONNA call Norman Mike Brandon. Investigators were really interested in my because they've found mail address to him inside of Stacy's apartment that mail was a clear sign that he lived temporarily with her at some point. Conveniently for the FBI Mike? Had An extensive criminal history North Carolina and the State Department of Corrections already had his fingerprints on file P- the SBA I plan to compare his prince to some of the eighty one prince found the scene. What's interesting though is that Mike Actually beat them to the? Punch. At three thirty in the afternoon on February third, just an hour or so after stacy was found dead Mike came to the police. He said, he wanted to help because he thought he might have information on who stacey was with the night before. He showed up at the crime scene and given a handwritten statement to dare county sheriff's colonel. Jasper Williams? Mike wrote that the night before Friday February second he was at a downtown bar called the Green Dolphin pub. He said he saw stacy there but he wasn't with her he was with his new girlfriend patty who worked at the bar. Mike said everyone was drinking and stacey became upset that he was with new girl then she stormed off and left. Right around that time, she left Mike says a friend of his named Clifton Spencer walked into the bar. After Clifton came inside, he began talking with Mike. Mike said Clinton was causing problems in the pub with some guys over money at the pool table going missing and this interaction made Clifton eventually leave but he returned a little while later to tell Mike that he'd been at Stacey's. Clifton said that while he was there stacey asked him to go back to the bar and tell Mike to come see her. When Mike said, he wasn't GonNa, go see stacy because he didn't care to Clifton mentioned he was going back over to stacy's to see if she was all right because he was there before she'd been crying. After getting this statement from Mike Jasper, Williams began looking into it he wasn't exactly clearing my of any connection to the crime just yet but because Mike had been so forthcoming right away Jasper believed that what he'd said was relevant. Not long after getting my statement, the sheriff's Office decided to run a records check on Clifton Spencer Deputy Terry. Williams is the one ass to do that. Now if you remember, Terry is the same woman who found Stacy's body earlier in the afternoon with Tina. When she's asked to run a check on Clifton, she switched gears from being a part-time diner hostess in his back and law enforcement mode. Terry told me that in between the time Jasper took Mike statement at three thirty in the afternoon and before the SBA I began processing stacy's apartment she was asked to look into Clifton Spencer. She says, she sat in on a conversation in Jasper. Williams office with an FBI agent joining them and those men agreed that Clifton was already a suspect. It's at that. Point Jasper tells her to run an open warrant check on Clifton. Terry says she did, and after punching some parameters into a criminal records database, a result came back. Clifton Spencer a black blackmail from Columbia, North Carolina a town thirty minutes away from Mayo had an outstanding warrant for drug charges. The State of New Jersey had put the worn out on him and technically this meant he was a wanted man. I dug through a pile of old documents and was actually able to find that exact warrant print out from February third nineteen ninety the paper shows that at six o four pm on February third the printout landed on Jasper Williams desk. Now this means that just a few hours into their investigation before any physical proof was obtained showing Clifton even knew stacy investigators had him on their radar as someone of interest but not because of any physical evidence that placed him at the scene but because Mike Brandon had brought his name up the FBI agents in the manual police chief decided to re interview Mike again because so far he's the only one who brought up Clinton's name and it was possible he might have no more about him. At. Nine forty at night on February third, the police and Mike meet at the dare county courthouse in downtown. Again recapped his story of being at the Green Dolphin pub, the previous night, and he mentioned that he saw stacy and Clifton, but this time Mike. Went into more detail. He addressed right off the bat that he used to live with stacy in her apartment. But said that he moved out just two months earlier in December of nineteen, eighty, nine to me. That's a good way to explain why his fingerprints might be inside if investigators found any. Mike said after he and Stacey had broken up he started seeing his new girlfriend, a woman named Patty Roe. My. Tells the agents that Patty found out. She was pregnant with his child at the beginning of February but he wasn't sure if stacy knew that or not. He said when he got to the bar at six o'clock, he cashed his paycheck with the bartender and then met up with. Patti. Stacey was inside near the jukebox drinking wine coolers, and to avoid direct contact with his ex he started playing pool in another room. But Stacey kept making eye contact with them and eventually made your way over to. He. said that she asked him how he was doing and if he was ready to come home. That comment upset Patty and the Closer Stacey got to Mike the Worse the situation became. Mike says at one point. Stacey. was rubbing on his arms and told him that she still loved him and he said that he said the same thing back to her. Patty is pregnant girlfriend who is right there grew angrier and angrier with the drama and finally Mike just told stacy leave. So she did upset and crying. After that Mike says that Clifton walked into the bar and asked Mike if he wanted to smoke crack together and Mike dowse Clifton No. Then just like Mike and said, in his original written statement he says Clifton got into a verbal spat with some guys at the pool table over money going missing and then Clifton left. He says Clifton returned about a half hour later told Mike. He gone walking ran into Stacey in her driveway. Clifton tells Mike that Stacey was still crying and had asked Clifton to go back to the bar and tell Mike to come over to her apartment. Mike Tony Clifton that he wasn't gonNA leave the bar and said he would catch up with Stacey later. Mike says Clifton than asked him for money to go buy cocaine but Mike refused. Mike. said that night Clifton was broke and wanted drugs badly he'd gone around to a lot of people asking to bum off money. Mike said he in Clifton weren't exactly friends and that they just knew each other from work. At the time. Mike. Worked in construction and Clifton had once a delivery driver for a building supply company in Mankato they'd become friends and had a history of doing drugs together. Mike's us that Clifton new stacy because he'd been to her apartment several times to do cocaine. Mike says when Clifton left the bar for the second time, it was around eleven o'clock at night, and that was the last time he saw him. In his interview, Mike was very clear to establish his own alibi. He said that after a few hours of drinking, he and Patty left the bar with some friends and everyone went to that friends home in to stay the night. He says he was there the entire night and those people could vouch for him. But before questioning Mike, any further or confirming his alibi, the SBA I immediately ran with what Mike told them about, Clifton? Their top priority from that point forward was finding and questioning Clifton. Because they believed, he was the last person to see. Stacey alive. S. B. I. Agents Working Stacy's case we're able to track down Clifton in the small town of Columbia north. Carolina. Columbia is a thirty minute drive inland. From Mayo you have to pass through it if you're going to the outer banks from cities like Raleigh Charlotte, it's just over the dare county line in Tarot County. Less than a thousand people live there and in a stark contrast Emmanuel most of the residents Tarot County are African American Clifton has called Columbia home since he was born. I was just like any a young man who grew up in the sixties. You know we my friends. We all played a lot of sports. You know every day will play basketball or something Sambas we pay He graduated from Columbia High. School and was well known in the small community by the time turned eighteen. His family like everyone else there was poor and black but that didn't bother him. My Dad or very hard to provide for the family. My mother Lozo was a homemaker. And I think that you know I just said. To me. Normal small town upbringing. Did wear on him and other black families in. Columbia. Was the town's claim to fame the historic, somerset? Plantation Aka, an old rich white families home were three hundred black slaves lived and worked before the American civil. War. The biggest thing down in that area is. That plantation that everybody wanted to go and see. So historic marker, but the history is not a good history or anywh. This site is a nationally recognized tourist attraction and its roots of racism run deep in the small town. There is lands all over the place. Gerald County into the thirties Washington I'm sure they're count editors as well. then. It was almost like it's like a towel being such like when they when somebody. The railroad tracks that Clifton grew up playing around aren't far from Somerset. The railway was essential back in the day for transporting goods from the plantation. And it's along those same tracks on Sunday February fourth nineteen ninety that the terrel county sheriff pulls over his cruiser. Kerr he sees thirty one year old Clifton. Spencer. Walking alone. Here's quickens memory of that moment. Came up there and he said. She. Needed a tall to me. I came up with here. Is there a need for you to go? Come with me down to. The sense of Anita tel-aviv some I said okay. So there with him. When I got tear Think spoke will. SBA agent. Thank this sheriff's deputy sheriff from Derek. County. Clifton spent the next two hours willingly talking with Mantos police chief, Steve Day, and an espionage agent named Kent inskeep. Now They asked me questions. About Stacy last time I saw and I saw last night. Clifton explained to the men that he'd been in manual the Green Dolphin pub on Friday February. Second. He had no idea. Stacey had been murdered until they broke the news to him in a very bizarre way. Down there in the jail. They walked out and left. Me Sitting at a desk I think was the sheriff's this. It was too big pitchers land face down. On, the desk before I got there not even really. Noticed that they will get what he told with direct me to sit right here. So what those figures were. Pitches Stacey. Made me mad at me you did. Right, did just other. Despite this cruel way of telling him Stacey was dead Clifton still cooperated with investigators. He told them everything he remembered about that night. He said he started hitchhiking around six thirty at night and two white guys. He knew had given him a ride from Columbia demand you and then those men dropped him off at the Green Dolphin. POB around o'clock. When I I the Internet bar when I got there, I just walked up there and a particular time. People call really didn't go spend a lot of time. At night. Time to time I have been in day to day. I did see Stacy I came in. And apparently. Once, I came in she was. have. Some kind of disagreement for for. Boyfriend. So she took off ran out. Clifton got some bad vibes from two white guys at the bar who worked for the coastguard. He says, he got the impression that he wasn't welcome there because he was black he says, those guys accused him of stealing coins off of the pool table which he denied. At that point Clifton says he's over all of the tension and decided to just leave. He had plans to go to his friend win Moore's house anyway, and it was only about a fifteen minute walk from the bar. Headed to my friend's house. And I actually was walking fast. Apartment at least he was living at that particular time. And she. Has, been drinking but she saw me Schaal that man I I went to see. Was You wanting? So from there you know she. Pretty much asked me. If the I, didn't mind to go back and asked her boyfriend to. Come by the House. I went by Nass. And three too much. This went all. Decided reclined to Cook After Mike said, he didn't care to catch up with Stacey Clifton went back to Stacy's tell her Mike wasn't coming by. This was around eleven o'clock at night according to Clifton. He said after that second trip to Stacy's apartment. He and Stacey shared a few drinks vodka together inside of her kitchen and living room and she continued to lament over Mike. After. A while Stacey decided, she wanted to smoke crack. Now Clifton was down for this because at the time he admits he was a full blown drug addict who didn't have a steady job and nowhere to be since. He was technically homeless. About Lot ahead transparent up to that point before that particular date. I was in a point in my life where I wasn't it'll good space at all. I had started using drugs. And Take that from that point on. I've become a drug addict. You know I was just out there running around. Those function and drug. Hours working every day but yet I will go out to use drugs and. I say up to that day I used suggest chase. Fine people have wanted to go get hired I just hang with. A lot of the people that I come in contact with. Those manual was people that use drugs. At this point, it's important to note that along with Stacey and Clifton at her apartment there was another man who came by briefly. His name is Richard Fugate, and he's a guy who'd been at the Green Dolphin. Pub. On both trips, Clifton May to stacy's apartment to and from the Bar, He tells investigators that he richard and Stacy were inside the apartment together. But then eventually Richard Left. We'll get more into Richard story in a future episode but for now just keep that in the back of your mind. Clifton says after Richard Leaves, it's just him and Stacey. It's at that point that they decide they're going to smoke crack. Stacey has a little bit inside of a pipe in her bedroom, but by the time Clifton goes to get it and comes back to see. Stacey. Remind and didn't want any. So Clifton takes a hit by himself and uses it all up. A few minutes later stacey walks into the room and ask for some apparently she changed her mind again. But after Clifton took the hit, there wasn't any left for Clifton says, Stacey handsome thirty five to forty dollars in cash and asked him to go out and buy some more which he does. And this is the point where Clifton says, his memory gets really really fuzzy both during his interrogation with investigators in nineteen. And still to this day. He says, he knows he left Stacy's apartment and went to some areas around town where he thought he could score, but he never got any drugs. The details of how long that took him or any specific people he came across he can't remember. He says his memory is so bad because his brain was in a fog from drinking most of the night and being high. According to the SBA agents paperwork. On this case, they wrote down that Clifton said that at one point before he left to get drugs, he and stacy had laid down in her living room together on her mattress. The agents paperwork says that Clifton said he remembered at one point Stacey. Out of the mini skirt that she'd been wearing at the pub and put on gray sweatpants. The FBI agents also wrote that Clifton said that he thought he may have tried to be intimate with stacy laying down together but he knew nothing really happened because he had not been able to become aroused. But that's according to the SBA agents reports Clinton says he doesn't remember saying any of this. One thing he does know for sure is that after wandering in search of drugs for a bit, he returned to Stacy's apartment to give her her money back. But by the time he returned her door was locked. He told investigators he believed this was around one thirty or two in the morning. He couldn't be sure and he thought it was weird that the apartments inside door was locked because stacey was expecting him to come back with drugs. When he couldn't get in and no one answered the door. He just decided to keep the money and then he headed to his friend Wayne's house. Clifton made the short walk to Wayne's but he says when he got there, Wayne wasn't home. After making a few laps around his neighborhood and stumbling through a nearby convenience store parking lot. He returned to Wayne's between four and five in the morning knocked again and this time Wayne answered. Clifton Wayne, let him inside and within a few minutes he fell asleep on a recliner in his living room. The next morning he said he hitchhiked on US sixty four and manlio a white male pulled over and offered him a ride back to Columbia. As Chief Day in the FBI agent are listening to Clifton version of events they realize he's just given them a ton of information. There were several people they needed to verify his story with but I they him if he'd agree to take a polygraph the next day and Clifton said yes. Just to make sure that Clewiston Pinton, go anywhere the police acted on that outstanding warrant from New Jersey and arrested him Clifton was locked down for the time being Tarot, county. The next morning a few more FBI agents, their supervisor chief day, and Jasper Williams. From the sheriff's office in Dare County arrived to the sheriff's Office and Tarot County. They prepare Clifton for his polygraph and ask him to sign a release form. But at that point, he's not really feeling it anymore. Clinton had sobered up after spending the night in jail and he's thinking clearer. Now he tells the investigators he doesn't want to take the test without speaking to an attorney or to his father. I. By one o'clock that afternoon both of Clinton's parents had come to the jail and spoken with them, and after that Clifton decided, he would take the test. He said speaking with his parents convinced him that because he had nothing to hide, he should use this as a chance to prove he wasn't involved. They had me Sinden. Making. A whole lot of noise anytime. I see somebody just make a lot of noise. So every time it makes laws I look at it you know something like data so it was. Not. Accurate reading or give a reading. Maybe maybe I'm not I actually being truthful whatever. For three and a half hours in SBA agent grilled Clifton about his version of events and everything he said happened between him Stacey. I got a hold of some public documents that detailed is interrogation by the FBI and when you look at them, you can see that really a lot of the agents questions weren't really questions at all. They were more suggestive statements to Clifton to see if he would agree. There police as together and they're making. A story out of nothing. The. Sbi they didn't completely live. What they did was they made us a narrow with some things that I did say to make it saying like this is false. This is why at. The very end of the polygraph. They finally ask Clifton Three Direct questions. Did you cut stacy? Did you cut stacey in the apartment and were you there when stacy was cut? To of the FBI agents doing the interrogation grade, the results, and they gave Clifton core of negative twelve, which according to them meant he'd failed. Now at this point, Clifton is starting to figure out what's really going on. He is a murder suspect and there was no way he's going to continue to talk with them but they keep after him and that night the pressure only caught worse. By. Ten o'clock the S B I had gotten a judge to sign off on a search warrant which allowed the SBA to seize blood hair including from Clifton. He told them that the shirt he was wearing when they arrested him was the same one he worn on Friday night at the bar so they took that to. The warrant also allowed the SBA I dare Clinton's fingerprints to the ones collected from the crime scene but Clifton already told them he'd been inside Stacy's apartment. So is prints were probably going to be on a lot of surfaces. Avenue that you know whatever they took for me. You know like the fingerprints I know of fingerprints because that was him. Around midnight, Clifton was taken to chew on hospital just outside of Columbia, a doctor, their plucked out his hair and drew his blood and right away it went to Dennis Honeycutt. February sixth and seventh go by with Clifton still sitting in jail. But on Thursday, the eighth to FBI agents returned interrogate him once again. This time they confront him head on, and they suggest that he tried to put the moves on stacy while they were alone in her apartment and she rejected him things got ugly and she'd come at him with a knife and that's why he killed her Clifton denied all of that. He said that he couldn't remember a lot of what had happened that night because he was high and drunk but he knew he didn't kill anyone. He said he'd vaguely remembered laying down on the mattress next Stacey for a bit and maybe engaging in heavy petting but he's The have sex. After hours of telling the SBA, the same story over and over again, Clifton was exhausted and mentally drained. Do we were doing was. were, Ashley put me in a setting and filling in blanks. I like one a day just said. You will drink you're stays at the drinks yet drinks. Were did you ever use? Bathroom He. Didn't go to pacify left. US A bathroom. Why he did was he put me he wanted to put me in the bathroom. He did it and then he wrote a statement to say it admit to clean it up far-left left. Clifton never had a lawyer with him during any of these interogations on top of that none of the conversations between him and the s B. I were ever recorded. There was no recordings of any of those conversations that I have with. Not, a single one. It had been then people would say that saying the things that they said I said. Every conversation he had with police was slowly becoming his word against theirs. As they wore him down and said, he felt like he had no choice. But to cooperate the more, he resisted the more the point the finger at him and put words in his mouth. Finally, he felt the only way to clear his name was to do what they asked. At eight o'clock that night February Eighth SBA agents ask Clifton to go with Dimaggio they wanted him to show them the exact route he said he took from Stacy's apartment to Wayne's trailer. According to their own reports, the SBA transported Clinton from Columbia and drove him to manual. Now, this is wrong for one huge reason. They didn't have the authority to do that. The Sheriff of Tarot County never signed off on a prisoner transport order Clifton meaning the s I couldn't just take a terrible county prisoner and move them into another jurisdiction for an investigation that had nothing to do with the drug charges clicked was facing technically Clifton was a prisoner of Tarot county waiting to be extradited back to New Jersey. So, by removing him from Columbia and taking him to dare county for the murder investigation that violated protocol and violated the law. But these sa aren't following what you call standard procedure. At this point I mean, they've already interrogated the man multiple times without letting him contact an attorney and they're not recording any of the interviews they've had with him. Now they're taking him on a ride thirty minutes away to isolated. Lifton says that car ride made him nervous because he didn't know these. SB agents or what they were going to do. Even though he had a criminal history and Tarot County, he at least knew the sheriff there and there was familiarity up until this point, he said the Sheriff and Columbia had been really cool with him at the jail a made sure that he was comfortable entreated in like a normal person not a murder suspect. As the car pulls out of Columbia, Clifton is headed away from any law enforcement. He knows and he's going to dare county to try and convince the SBA agents that he's innocent. Once they arrive in Mankato he rides along with the FBI and shows them the path that he took on foot from the pub to stacy's apartment, and then to his friend Wayne's. I wanted to see this path for myself. So I took a trip up to manlio. Turn left onto. Queen. Elizabeth Avenue. Then turn left onto an-and is dare street. In a quarter mile destination will be on the left. It was important. I retrace Clinton steps so I could understand exactly what he told investigators. What I found was that the walk from the Green Dolphin pub to stacy's would have taken him only a few minutes seven at most the walk from Stacy's to Wayne's would have been longer more like fifteen minutes. The locations aren't super far apart, but it was easier for me to just drive there. Let's plug in the. Address to Wayne Morris as house. From here. So Wayne lived exactly point seven miles from face apartment on the ice gear street. OVER DOWN Just a little bit a two minute drive. Says Thirteen minute walk. Clifton told the FBI that as he walked to Wayne's he crossed over US sixty four head west Ananias dare street toward US sixty, four east then turn right onto us sixty, four west. Then he cut behind the Elizabethan in hotel went through some trees and ended up at the back of Wayne's trailer. The Elizabethan in is still operating today and the property looks almost exactly the same as it did in nineteen ninety. So he cut through the back, the Elizabeth and he could have gotten away is actually faster than the route were taking drive because we're taking the roads. But if you're on foot, you could cut back behind the end and then through a small little stretch of woods and clipped would've come right up to Wayne's trailer. Wayne says his trailer was trailer sixty, two on. Jackson Street which this is. All right. This is all like a trailer park neighborhood. So trailer sixty, two, trailers sixty, two there it is. A new family lives in Wayne's trailer now but seeing where it was located really was helpful for me. The area was right next to my old high school and a mile from my parents house it somewhere driven probably hundreds of times. So I started to think what had the SBA I agents in Clifton done at this point thirty years prior to me standing there what was their next move? If it were me I'd have taken Clifton back to Colombia and seen one of their leads I could follow up on but that wasn't what happened. Instead the agents took Clifton to a trailer a little ways up the road. It was an old building dare county used as an offsite drug investigations bureau. Inside the dingy trailer worth you chairs a table and more. FBI agents. And they took me to is also said I guess the undercover truck enforcement from the sheriff's department uses us either on airport, road. They took me in an office. and. ages, I didn't know never saw him. And they just sent me just kept talking about this. You'RE GONNA. Say this say I said that you know whatever our say. They would Ashley Trial and something to would have agents left me in the room. You know handcuffs saw and there was a rifle sitting right beside I don't know if bullets what I still they don't see for trying trying to send me up here. And I told them, I wanted to go back to Columbia. But, Clifton didn't go back to Colombia. He sat a not office and endured another interrogation that lasted four hours. The SBA I pushed him hard even bring up his criminal history from when he served in the army. You see Clifton had been charged and convicted of assaulting one of his former girlfriend's while stationed in Germany many years earlier. In that attack, he admitted to using a pair of scissors. The S. B. I hammered him about this detail and they suggested that he had attacked Stacey in a similar way except this time he used a knife. Again Clifton denied that, but the pressure was becoming overwhelming and he had nothing left. Day agent kept asking me same question over and over again. I said Man I don't toe you. Kept, telling I kept telling. Asked me they're saying question. Probably about the ten eleven time. I just didn't say anything. I just took a deep breath and just helmet he. Age and said, I, should be yes. The other agents said that he saw me. To, apparently, he must the same through the wall. said that I should be yeah I didn't do that. Say Thank you for what? Did. He said you know like count. Feel bad for what you know this when you come. At nonsense. The FBI agents wrote in their report that Clifton slumping his head in exhaustion was confirmation to them that he had nodded yes to what they were accusing him of, and that was as good as a confession. That's when they wrap up the interrogation and transport him back to Columbia around midnight. Finally on February ninth. Clifton father shows up to the jail with a local attorney from Columbia. This attorney, a man by the name of Charles Ogle tree talks with Clifton for a while and shuts down any more one on one interrogation with the FBI. But at that point, the damage had already been done a lot of damning information against Clifton information that they use to request an arrest warrant for first degree murder. They went to the district attorney on February ninth and explain to their case so far but the DA said no way he said there was not enough sufficient. To, arrest, Clifton for the crime and he pushed back saying that the FBI I needed to dig further and do actual detective work to prove their case not just keep interrogating Clifton. But while they had to wait for forensic evidence to be processed the pressure to make an arrest was mounting, and this is where the FBI and local investigators really dug their heels in. They wanted to find anything that supported Clifton was there man instead of going back and talking with witnesses like Terry, Williams and Tina and Mike Brandon, they visit Wayne Morris. The one man who is supposedly Clifton Alibi or at least someone who would have had direct contact with Clifton shortly after the murder. I found Wayne earlier this year and he still lives in a trailer in Mankato, but just not the same one as he did in nineteen ninety. And what he told me as we sat in his living room, blew my mind. Wayne Morris was the first person to see Clifton Spencer after he left Stacy's apartment. The FBI visited Wayne when they realized they needed more evidence in order for the DA to give them an arrest warrant for Clifton. This cop come combine my house. And said, he needed to talk to me that's talked to me about what? He said, are you new Clifton? Sea Cliff name and I say yes. He said what was he by Your House? It's time and I said, yes, he came by you know told a one time. These cops came in the house two of them. As I recall they talked to me for a long the guy asked me did I mind him walking around my house on new he won't run a house and he found his own knife or Lane there I had found I was GONNA clean up. Any show man and he's been idea for she probably a year maybe you know just been laying up on trailer he said Okay I'll put it about what was that The agents came inside and asked Wayne if you tell them what he remembered when Clifton came by so we did. From. My back door and I said, Oh man who is this a man's me cliff. Do I saw may be He'd been central geeked up you know he's mad at me craftsmen agrees. To do. 'cause it every night. Then trip withdraw by me in the crash. He had been out all night partying and will wanted to go to Columbia. So he has could crash Tilles ride. That's you know I'm going to go to work. When Clifton showed up, did he have any blood on him? No, he was just highs hair excuse me he would just. Goal, man knowing he no blood on. Who sitting in my recliner. Sleep when I live. And you want to save some blood this their head is nice. Little shirt and these genes. Oh Man, that's what I remember. So clearly Wayne still feels the same way as he did back then when I compared what he told me in our interview with transcripts from the conversation, he had with the S B I thirty years ago his story hasn't changed. It's almost word for word the same. He remembers clearly that Clifton got to his house between four and five in the morning. Any also remembers clearly what the SBA. I asked him to do after I came to his trailer as me what I wanted to take all live -tective. Let's say sure in took one at the ducal has closed down. But I took a lie detector test there. And Soon Mike Agreement I took a lie detector test twice. That's right. The S I had Wayne go to a motel and Manlio a place that's a dilapidated rat trap now, and they wanted him to undergo a polygraph and took the test them. No matter what are not gonna live. Why don't notice girl beat new cliff new girl on a new cliff or with party down here I. See I think they just wanted wanting to take that test because he told our. Trying, to hide some cliff maybe but I told it was man. Got Me taking this this test because the GonNa, try to lie for him but I told him. Amen the guy came by inquest at my house like he does all the. Wayne passed his polygraph with flying colors. The FBI found no signs of deception in anything that he'd said. And the fact that he'd been so open to talking with me about the case makes me believe he's telling the truth I mentioned to him. I'd found an SBA agents report in my research that claimed forensic tax had sprayed luminol in his living room and on his recliner to look for blood. I wanted to know if Wayne remembered that but his answer wasn't what I expected at all. At you. And that was it and then we'll come did new. Forensic. Not that man. That was a direct contradiction to what I read with my own eyes in the SBI's documents. So either Wayne is isn't remembering it right or the NC B. fudged this detail. But why why would they lie about that something so critical. And why haven't they looked at anyone else but clifton? Those another person I thought was on the radar that was never really. vetted. I? Need. The answers are next week on counterpart. All the tall seen. Never seen a trial like this. Be Sure to follow counterclockwise on social media and subscribe on Apple Podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Counter clock is an audio chuck original show. Ashley Flowers is the executive producer and all reporting in hosting is done by me dealing.

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Storyteller Conclave  Episode 8 Creating Dynamic Characters

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Storyteller Conclave Episode 8 Creating Dynamic Characters

"You're listening to the podcast, Detroit. Visit WWW dot casting Troy dot com before information. Friends wall, complete episode eight of storyteller conclave cessation about helping you run the very best tabletop role playing game that you can, whether you're new storyteller. Or dungeon master learning the craft or you're an experienced tiller looking to take your game to the next level. I am Sarah, and I'm rob. We've got a few news. Updates again and nothing exciting. But our patriot is live. So you can easily show your support and people have, and we love them. We love our supporters. You guys are fantastic. Please if you guys have ideas of what we can do four patriot. Let us know. I mean, literally just send us some ideas, please. Also, we know that the site podcast trait does have a listen live issue. If you're listening live, you are using the app, and you're doing it, right. We did get another update from the engineering staff here. And apparently we've boggled their minds with what the problem is. So hopefully. They're gonna take care of that real soon. Like, hopefully, the, the people set up the streaming service, I've no idea what is broken. And are they're like, oh, that should fixed it. Nope. No, so and it's not just affecting us. It's affecting everybody. I mean, what, what I wanna did they try turning off and back on again. I'm gonna turn it on. And walkaway. Right. Walkaway unplugging plug it back in. That's right. Aright so, yeah. Out of nowhere. We decided we were going to do a show about creating dynamic characters. Do didn't we go over this? I mean when, when you creating dynamic PC's basically, all of the rules for creating dynamic NPC's kind of apply episode three so upset. Three. We already did a ups owed on this. So tired. Let's do her up this. Yeah. All right. Just go to episode three and you'll get all this information. We'd like to thank our supporters from patriot and get them recognize we we'd like to thank our music from glee, frog. And we can we always what? All right, buddy. All right. All right. We'll we'll do this. We'll we'll do this. We gotta do an episode. Okay. All right. We can't just dump them like that. Where do you wanna start? Well. At the beginning character generation beginning or like before. No, seriously. I'm you need paper and pencils and sometimes dice. I mean maybe maybe actually a little bit before that. Okay. Because I think when you're creating PC's at, you know, for for game you know, y'all have to start in that kind of conceptual phase, you know, Tempus story that you wanted to, you wanna tell you got your players in a previous previous episode. Yeah. But if you've listened to our previous episodes you've gotten this far in, you know what you're fucking doing. You've gone this far. But now you players need characters to play in your games. So I think, you know, the first place to start is having a, a conversation with your players and kind really the whole care to creation process for the underlying rule. I think to, to everything that we are about to talk about is that the creation process needs to be a collaboration between players and the story. I agree with that. I think the I mean let's let's be really more simple. That is about communication apps. I think every game that I've ever played. It's only gotten better when there's better communication between the storyteller and the players like whether it's e mailing constantly, whether it's, you know, how the new stuff using a discord channel to kind of throw ideas back and forth and get those things going get concepts and pictures and, and ideas and sometimes tropes, even around, like just to get an idea of the setting and everything, I think that gets everybody's juices flowing, so communication collaboration key. Absolutely absolutely opened the. So I think that the first incursion before you even get to characters is discussing what the ground rules for making those characters right? Okay. I'm gonna stop you. How do you feel about pre Johns? I, I know I've set that against you in one of my games. How did how did that make you feel do think it was worth it? So my whole attitude towards Prejean characters is much like a five year old being told to take their medicine going to kick. I'm going to scream. I'm going to say it's yucky, and then I'm gonna take it and then I'm gonna feel real good a real real good about it afterwards fair. Okay, because I already know my in my mind the pros and cons. What do you think the pros and cons are unregarded to this? Let's just be narrows. We can't hurt. So the pros definitely of this Tila, creating the, the Carter is in handing them out to everybody in the group gives you the ability to create characters that, you know, will fit well within your story. Right. And especially if they're. Are certain archetypes that you want played out on the you can you can easily do that. The obvious downside is, though, is that it does put some limits on the imagination of your players from standpoint of maybe they had an idea of what a character should be. And you just handed them something else. Maybe there was a certain class, or certain ability. They were looking to explore. And now they've got different strictures on their on their character expression. I agree with that. I think it was for like my seven. See game full characters because I didn't flush out everything. I didn't flush out the backgrounds as much I didn't give in spend all the points I gave you guys points to spend as well. I just gave you a good basic outline of what your character knows going into this. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And it's it's worth with while keeping line that appreciate characters just a starting point. Right. Where even if you hadn't given me those points like you would is it like sixty percent of the character was done, and then you basically love you at last thirty forty percent off and said, fill in some blanks where you. Right to kind of customize your character. But the but the core of that character's done for you. So I mean that, that's one way you can take it. Even if you are handing full characters though, it's, it's a starting point bright. And I think that kind of lends to a, a sub level of that, which is where you say only like, I, I need this to be a certain way like your game that you're running for me where you saying you needed. Either be part of the fighters gold are part of the major skill. That's it. That, that that's that's where I'm framing. It's lightly ISM frame. You don't end at work. I don't care how you got there, but Yep. Four fifteen of the third era. You will be a member of the fighters Gill, or a member of the major guild yet, period. And that's I mean, the same thing to be said for like any other games. Like, hey, you're all musketeers whether you just started whether you've been doing it for forty years, or whether you're somewhere in between, you know, like maybe year, laid off a little bit. But you're still work at your still musketeer yet. Like, that's how you guys are all connected, absolute. I guess then. Okay. The the, you have the kick down the door of anything. Well, there's one there's one more level of restriction this. And that is, you can create anything but we're gonna put some restrictions on the sources. You can use to do so only players handbook only players, handbook or only official supplements, like no. You know, the Gardini has looking open source sort of thing called on earth are Kana, which is all test material Ville, the Rodham like that. Yeah. And, you know, there are still several iterations that sort of stuff coming out in a lot of straight tells you be uncomfortable with using that sort of thing. So typically, I think you can also use that for like blocking off the broken crap that happens. And I think most people who run just kind of casualty indie games. Use either either the one we were just talking about where you have to have certain things in your backstory to fit in campaign or this one where it's just like, look, I don't care, whatever you guys going to be a generic adventuring group. But I don't want, you know any Phoenix nights from the, you know, unofficial supplement that came out what you don't want to play a as a humanoid t Rex with a telling of eighteen. I am three colds and a trenchcoat. Honestly, great idea. But then you've got the sky's the limit which, you know where it's you can do anything. And I think you've got to know the system as you can't do that as a new storyteller. Oh, sure. Sure. Sure. 'cause you're not gonna know. What's, you know what's good? And what's, what's broken? And what's not? Yeah. So and, and honestly for my, my advice for, for new storytellers on this would be to put more restrictions not less restriction. I agree. Shit. Can get out of hand real quick to say no? Don't be afraid to say. No, but you can also do the yes. And that works just as well. Yes. And but you're crippled. You know you can't do these things. Right. And like we said he has to be a collaboration between the player in the storyteller. Have that discussion. Okay. What are your thoughts? What are you what are you thinking about creating this game? And how can I as a stray tiller help you create what you want? Yeah. You want your care to be palm Wadi from from, from dune. All right. How do we do that in seventy exactly? Exactly. All right. Now, I know we put in here in the shown, as we said the character questions I think we kind of I will say, we covered this in three and there are literally so many resources out there for asking her to questions like, who is your dad? Where did you grow up, who is, she had the things like that? Exactly. So I think go kit Bashar own questions. Pulled them right out of the book but it's, it's a way to help flush. But I think moving on from this to some of this talked about, I think, is really going to help bring us back to that where that's going to be kind of the finishing move. But like you would brought up that people are people PC's people. Right. So they're gonna be flawed. They're going to be quirky. They're going to be confused. They're gonna be driven or passionate about something. You know what quirks, can they have who did a alternately hate? I think like are. DND's ranger class for the longest time had you had a hated race. And that's still kind of thing around you. Right. So, like I don't think that's much core is a benefit, but I think it can be a cork if you help it. Yeah, I, I mean, I think in early editions it was it was hated race. I think now it's just like preferred race is like I don't have anything against, you know, colds, I just happen to know a lot about them right grew up around them and exactly it doesn't mean you're gonna cut them down. But you are quite good at it. If you had to right, right. I've been hunting kobylt since I was this, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm an elf. But I grew up with half leans, the really, awesome people into everything about them in our so. But I think like corks themselves are fun. And I think they can be really neat stuff. That doesn't have anything necessarily to do with gameplay directly. Yeah. Absolutely. But I am we talked about a whole bunch of these things. Like I like how you thought of superstitions. Superstitious is a great quirk. I think that, you know in before crossing river during a prayer. I thought that was really glad saw that your notes. Like I actually really liked that one or like sleeping with teddy bear. Yeah, is a perfect one, because it sent superstition, but it's, but it's, it's a it's a sentimentality ignorance act. It's an emotional bond. Yeah. And one of the things that came up recently because we were talking with one of our with actually medoff about a mouse guard and in mouse guard. They have kind of a quirk but not. But I think it fits a little bit in here. I wish I could from what it was called. Yeah. I know he's going to yell at us. Chilly. But so bring it up mad at medoff. It's a good idea. And that is like, what your character is known to do. Like what's their what's like a trip that they have? And like one thing that they listed in the book was I always draw my sword at danger at the sign of danger, and I'm like, okay, that's seems pretty straightforward like you know what to expect like. Oh my God. Something jumped up just jumped out of the woods, and his growling, shink sorts out like without question. Whether or not it's a good idea or a bad idea. You just did it. Yep. You know, or like I always protect the innocent now that's a little biggest but at the same time, like you've gotta make up snap decision on who's innocent in the situation. Yeah. And then that drives you, but I think just like the other pieces, it helps define who you are. And what your what your first instinct of actions going to be in those things. But because you're making that statement and it is a statement like you said, it's very clearly statement you're saying this is something that is my character. Her and in those situations, this is how I react. But it also says that, that's a situation that you're focusing on. Absolutely. You know, like I will protect all books like, oh books are sacred plan and the great thing. The great thing statements like that is that first off. They define a set of action. So obviously, if books are endanger. Well now you are prone to put yourself into that situation. Whether whether that's a wise idea or not, it is. Now a situation, you feel your character feels they need to interject themselves into but second off things like this are great jumping off points for writing other parts of your history. Oh, totally why what is your character? Got with books. Father was a librarian Oko about your father's. Yeah, leinen. Tell me about your phone. So I, I think that the three the three main things I would suggest every PC come up with. Right. Is a quirk a flaw and a an attachment of some sort now, you're not talking flaws in the sense of like a mechanical flaw. Like, I'm I am like I instantly harmed by cold iron. No, no, no. No, no. Yeah. In, and that's, that's the thing is, I'm thinking, more personality flaws. I don't drink tea. Signally. Staircase, Sarah, speaking here. Okay. A bit of a control freak. I will quietly agree without quietly. I will quietly. Don't, don't get. You're not gonna tell me anything I have already told my therapist sister, but I'm bit of a control freak. And it agitates me when I'm when I feel out of control of a situation, a but that's, that's a character flaw of mine. That is something I have to work through, and it something where if, if it does, come up, it's, it's not like a like if I had to quantify myself as a player character like I don't know that that's anything that would have a gain aspect, too. But it would certainly be something that guided my role play. So let's, let's talk about it in the sense of character like one of the things that I liked about that we both agreed on their two different systems, but they have very similar flaw in them. Seventy calls at accuse vampire calls them disadvantages. No, no, no. I think you're thinking of fate, fate our fate has asked aspects and in seven see, it's, it's a star-crossed basically that person always falls in love. Oh, sometimes for the wrong person. So as a flaw that one was vampire. That's true love and listed as a merit a flaw. I think that's a flaw, right? But that's that you're talking about fate, and it was funny. We were sitting at dinner and Sarah, grabs this Pat of butter like the little like cups of butter, and she's got her figure, she slides it over to me. And she goes, you know, as your character, there's a hot chick in the room. You can you can take that he and take that 'cause because if you take it, you get this little bonus, and that's basically, how seven c does it gives you a drama, and you can use that drama die in any role and things like that. And that's how does it with points? But if you don't take the Pat of butter, you gotta spend something to avoid void not to compulsion on that. And sometimes it's hard for people to say, okay, well. I kinda understand that. And I think we were talking about as a social aspect, and just is a cultural thing geeks have pretension for hearing me Mlikh things and running with them, and we have to sometimes stop that compulsion in bad situations. Case in point, I think all of us even Kate in this room can remember moment time, when we were sitting there having a conversation at somebody. I don't know maybe said something that had to do with wood. Okay, so there and that's what it is, is. That's our natural compulsion for the seventeen year old part of our brain to kick out and start blasting or make a joke about it. I'm five I'll minute. That's fine. That's fine. The whole thing that's the and that's exactly the reaction we usually have is myself. My inner seventeen year old took over. Right. So you took the little Chit. And now you have that, but the compulsion hit you. It happens shit. See exactly exactly. But there are times what it is solely inappropriate. Like the executive your company said. You know, we are going to sell much hard wood as we possibly can do will sell the most would and you have to sit there and go. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And that's that's when you're fighting it, and that's a flaw that is that something we all recognize and that's an easy way to quantify it today's standards. I think so. Yeah. Characters have flaws but, but I think it's also important to have like little flaws to agree, the little plus that are that are like quirk level flaws. You know, sure not anything that's going to be necessarily compelled by the storyteller, but lake things that you just kind of roll in, because there's a great line that I love is beer because. No interesting story ever started with a salad that sounds like a challenge, because look, all interesting stories take place because somebody must something up. Okay. Yeah. Han flicked and conflict resolution is the essence of storytelling. And if you don't, if nobody messes up, nobody crosses a line somewhere along the way. Then you're not going to conflict. Yeah. You don't have any story to perfect people are boring people. Yep. Okay. And there are immoral to of different people out there and we're all interacting different ways. And it's you know who who do you wanna play do you wanna play the character? It gets everything. Right. Or do you wanna get the character has a struggle a little bit? Right. Who has to earn their victories, who has a character arc that takes them through maybe resolving past trauma, or a vengeance a slain, relative or something like that. Or some, you know that, that admittedly, they may not be dealing with two. Well, you know, I mean grief grief is a powerful powerful thing and common in historic common. Yeah. And people don't make the wisest decisions when they're depressed maybe your Kurtzer has a substance abuse problem. I played a, a fighter in one of under. Yeah. Played a fighter in one of Rob's. Previous games. Who was a an ex gladiator who'd gotten kicked out of the gladiatorial arenas because they were juicing with with magic potions and they got caught doing it. And you didn't care what the potion was just. And so what I was doing during game. Play was I. Yeah. I would I would I off spend all my extra gold on potion? Look, that's just where it went on. So anytime that Kurt you're need any extra cash. They were always broke healthy stack apportions. I didn't care what those potions were you have five bowl strength, fine. I am buying them. Why only have enough money for four I'll take him? Exactly. And then during game play I was just rolling a die. Like whatever die was closest to the number. I currently had and I would pick a random potion and I would drink it anytime we gotten to combat because that's the only way that character knew how to fight was juiced up on magic spells, and attitude changed instantly whenever look, another character buff them with another spell or something, you know, but it. These these sort of flaws that, that I'm talking, and they paint Lee start painting that picture like if you don't know where to start. That's not a bad place to start. Sure. Because then that can gin you back to the twenty questions. She may not be prepared for the twenty questions or you may look at the twenty questions and then do these corks it'd be like, you know what I need to redo those and I think that's where backgrounds and histories come in, because you can start like you said, is, you know, in here, simply as like I joined the militia got drunk, one night and ex, you know, and that tells enough about a character, right there. But you could also write a twenty six page in depth world analysis of your character that search, great grandma, you know, and, and puts who you are in the world. But I don't think that necessarily gives you any more or less detail about the, you know, than, than a short narrative about how European I and you have a dirty old, you know, office on the second floor with barely any light in the, the cargo trains, come. By, and you have to pull your bed down from the wall and drink your fifth of scotch. That's the old the cheapest that you can get, you know, that tells a lot about character invalid, but it doesn't tell anything about your backstory, and that's what it used to be Eddie valiant otheir named Jack Daniels. Exactly, exactly. It's moments like that you can think about, but then you really have to think about like, how did he get there? And you quickly figure out is professor was also a Cobb and got killed by tune. You know, and that's what simple things like you drop a piano on him from forty stories, up hell of a wit ago, it really is. You know, and changes, it does change him in it makes him very flat. So. I can't even with you. I know I know guest over so don't start the music. I know you close close he was looking at it. So I would say, for history's challenge yourself, 'cause sometimes, maybe you do short histories like maybe you're just a quick person does it like throw something else in there at the same time challenge the storyteller a little bit. But always work with them. Yeah, don't get so in depth in your story that when you handed over to the storyteller there, like this doesn't fit it all in the world. But the storyteller also look at that and say, hey, can, we change the name of this town to this? And you say that you were part of this thieves guilt. Can we actually make that just like something a little lighter than that? Maybe it was just you and budget scoundrels, who called yourselves at thieves guild, you weren't sanctioned in any way. Yeah. And, and there you go. It's yes. And kinda moment and this nameless villain. No, he has name. Here's what his name is. You know. Oh, yeah. You know, his name, by the way. It's pretty awesome. You know his name. Yes. All right before we get to dip in this. I know you this was important to you. And that was as that arch types archetypes, I should say, and classes or clans or, you know, when you're talking, vampire or, or even societies yet, nationalities in. Yeah. In seven C you know every game has even if they're classless loveless systems, have some sort of categorization fear, fear for characters so always wear robes and appointee. Hats. He says we're going to call these. We're going to call these classes just for the for the for the hand of it. We re we mean all of these blanket, archetype terms, framing now I want you all to hear me. Very, very clearly wants you to just take a moment to ruminate on these words. Classes are not in a scape -able prisons. Period. Okay. I agree with the a class is a stereotype Jesse will give you a description of what a common representation of that classes will will take wizard. Sure, okay, wizards, wear robes. They hang out in libraries, all day. Most of them have familiar 's the only use stabs they wear big pointy hats. They have big long beards. They're frail. They're frail. Exactly. Okay. These things are maybe commonalities, stereotype, maybe stereotypes. Okay. You might draw some draw some lines through through through through the demographic say, that's all the turn out, but they're not inescapable prisons. So my advice to storyteller is helping create, you know. Oh, helping your PC's create their characters might vice to any players who are listening to this look at what you can do to challenge the stereotype, that your class puts out for you. Okay. Way, more fun. So, for instance, you know, try making an athletic wizard okay. Try making a clumsy Roque, I like clumsy lucky Roque a haunting. That was pretty awesome. Try making a scholarly barbarian. You know, don't use into your dumps out. They're not old on my wife. In a lark, played barbarian who was learning to be a lady, and it worked so beautifully. It works. So it was hard. It was challenging his home system because it was stacked against the whole way. But it was neat the way she worked at all out. Yeah. Up by the end of it. She she was courtly she, she were hoop skirt, and it was funny. Uh-huh. So, but man, if you piss her off and get her get her to get a battle-axe in her hand can't take her down girl out of the bar Burien but not the barberry out of the girl. It's she'll drop the hoop skirt and kick your right. Or you're barred with social anxiety bottles of that idea. No, how to weave magical spells intricately into every note that comes off of your loot. But. Oh, god. I don't wanna talk to girls ready. Trent resident. Yeah. I mean he's an amazing artist. But if you have a conversation with that, man, I would say today's a lot different, but, like Vicky met him. No awkward. Oh, I mean when when you do it all by yourself in a studio. Oh, yeah. You know, it's, it's different. But yeah. Yeah. So not that we know anything about being locked in a small room and not talking to anybody else. But kate. So, so I put that out there to, to players everywhere. And that is just, just try to think of what your character needs to be. And what you're could be. Yeah. You know, challenges stereotypes now. I'm going to say that, right. And I just I got very preachy there you did. And then I'm going to completely contradict myself. Oh, Lord, okay. Sometimes it is also fun to lean into the stereotype and increase the thing where you're going with this. So I'm going to give a big shout out to one of our guests on the show. Chris, Chris who made probably the best wizard I have ever seen in any game of dean D in all of my years, sir typical. So stereotypical now. Stereotype cranked to eleven what, what meme non was is a he is. He, he took he took the wizard and turn them into the most ostentatious grand high mega of Cain, Myton cosmic. Oh. Oh. Okay. So for those of you who are also who've eons, if you remember the what the robes that the original doctor the time lords had. And you actually in the tenant years, you get to see images of them. One or two. Yeah. With the giant collars, and the ring and all kinds of that holler that literally came up over their head. It was almost like like like a God like a hood, they've been starched too much kind of more like Paul drains that like had the edge so that you almost had defenses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he, he had that as his robes that we were like, okay. We got where this is coming from. We, we have a time Lord here. This is fantastic. Character came from a may jockocracy, where the media and the majors were the ruling class. And so he had this haughty like I should be ruling over all of you non-magical PR, because I learned magic, nice studied it, and I'm so I mean, he literally called the lyric spell. Beggar spell beggar was brilliant and they had to beg for their exactly. Revoking them. Yeah. Yeah, my hermetic magic can call upon lightning, and you have to ask nicely. God decides they don't like you that day too bad to better. And then you talk about, like like making not just a barred, but, like like David Bowie making the next David Bowie literally the sexiest you know, like just dripping off them with sexuality and innuendo and like being able to be close, when they walk they almost slink as they move every, every, every phrase, they speak is a sonnet every note they pluck is a symphony. You know that sort of care, they don't they don't have to swing a sword. They don't have to. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so, so don't be afraid to, to lean as much as I say, subvert, them, sometimes just cranking it up to eleven is so much fun in just the opposite to make the big dumb fighter go all the way. Let biggest the Dodoma st- like you walk into combat unless they point the direction to tell you to go murder. You're just gotta stated like oh, a puppy, you know. So yeah, so so be prepared there. But, you know choose exactly the important thing is that you are the one making the choice. Yeah. To make the character this way. Not because you feel you have to 'cause it says an book that this is what that classes like. But that you say okay this is why this character fits that particular archetype in the way that they do bright. Right. I think the last note that we've got an here really is the part that sits on me. And that is the we need to make sure that no matter what you create as a player in no matter what you're watching is created as a storyteller. They have to be able to work together at some level, even if it's contentious, but and I'll, I'll go back to this. It can't be contentious from the start you before you roll dies before you sit at the table and utter. Your first words with that as a character. You don't wanna preset that contentiousness because I think you're setting up a trope. Failure almost at that point of your trying to create a failure. And you don't want that to happen. Yeah, if you're gonna fight don't set them up, fight from the beginning may get make it an in game reason that that happens. We're Ganic Louis, but right. And, you know, and honestly, remember to be fronts. Yeah, absolutely. Like, don't don't try and drive them be like, oh, no. That's gonna ruin game plate. Nothing. No. I sure you there's other things that can dice will ruin game play someone role playing just gonna make things interesting. Exactly. You know, in the, the other component of that is just remember that you are all friends sitting at the table that sometimes okay, your characters will get into conflicts. You know, we referred to your character, and my boyfriend's character rose in Cranston guild and starring. Yes, laurel and hardy. Yes, they argue and bicker. Do Hans Tinley. Fantastic. His cleric is really strong willed, and my boyfriend's previously aforementioned asshole, noble, is an asshole mobile. He's fantastic at it and these fantastic at it and the two of them just have. Personality conflict. Yeah, start it. But the important thing is, though is that you're never mad at another player for what happens on graph paper, no never, you know, keep it in game. And honestly, a good thing to do. If discussion is getting heated break character. Yeah. For just a second just go. Hey, are we cool to continue this it out? You know, look, I want. I, I need you to understand. This is my character who's pissed with you who's pissed with your character. Right. But Sarah is perfectly fine with, with rob right now. Are we okay to continue? And just get just get rob say, oh, yeah. No, no. This is in character. All right. Cool. And and Furthermore, right back into it to take breaks. And if you need to step back and, and I would say as a storyteller, if you feel things are getting on a hand pause. It. So kick us. Pause. Are we still in character? Right. You know, because this is going on. And sometimes it goes on too long. If you need to break that scene, and literally, you know, have that moment where they walk off angry and then cut that scene and move to the next scene. Yeah. And you can talk about the resolution that fight later between those players. But either way you need to keep the story going, you can't just let it sit on that scene. That that's advice actually could probably take. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. All right. Secondly, I, I'm gonna back you on this one be weary as a storyteller of someone creating a dark, improving lone wolf, I think, if you're creating that as a player, you need to back up and rethink, I think, all of us have one of those are her are past, but. Oh, I definitely did. I don't know if I've ever done that because it's not it's not something I do. But okay, let me say this, though. Maybe maybe not all of this. Yeah. But a lot, a lot of people's first characters are the dark and brooding lone wolf because they're sexy. They are, they're, they're, they're kind of that cooling, John wick style character. Like he's the one in pop culture right now. That I know. I agree. Hundreds of them, we Rogan. Yeah. Example. That one. I don't need anybody. Wanna sure? Yeah, exactly. And they're just gonna do everything themselves in the darkness in their heart carries them through to their to do their mission. Just anybody they're not going to talk to anybody. They can't show weakness. It's a very sexy style. Okay. It doesn't fit well in dean, d I don't think it fits well in a lot of systems. Are I I'm using dis shorthand for role playing games? In seventy seven. See, I mean if you look at someone like air, Mus and Athas like the each of those characters were little bit of that. But there was still something to tie them together. And that was the musketeers shirt, so I think you, you can get away with it. But I think as a role player, you need to acknowledge that that's your back story. I think the problem is less with dark broody and more with lone wolf. That's I agree with that. That's I think we're liberal comes down to typically your, your lone wolves are lone wolves because they are dark and broody, correct. Correct. And it's, it's okay to have angst. But make your angst work in a group because this is a group game. This is not DNC for one bright. I like your next comment because I heard about a game that I wanted to be part of that Chris was talking about at one point he had players who wanted to do. An all. Dwarf campaign and all I could think of was an all dwarf clear campaign. Oh my God. It would be epic. Like I like could you imagine? I literally just a logical fights. We. We're, we're getting ahead of the point. We're, we're discussing the point without making the point, the whole thing is, is that you can have it doesn't mean you have to be diverse, right? You don't have to have the typical Lord of the rings complement of one elf one dwarf one. You know, in a one clear, one fighter like fighter, rogue major cleric exactly know that the holy the holy trinity sort of, you know, human dwarf, half fighter healer tank. Yeah. No. You don't. You don't need that the, the group that I would reference actually sutting Phoenix of who a lot of you in the geeks. Fear may know has been about on a geek and sundry big party. Okay. Okay. Los Angeles side DC now we totally Detroit Indy scene, which didn't make that heaven. We do, but it'd be great. If we had some like A-List celebrities like there's somebody from Detroit, we just have to find them. Yeah. We do. We do. We do but she has a group called sirens. Yeah. And they are all bards. Oh, while they are collectively a rock band. All you Miller gemin- holograms. Yeah. Oh, that's bad Sayer in adventuring band. Oh man. That are. Are all bards all taken like different different barred colleges for their for their for the things. Okay. And like even in that they chose different spells, so that they do have one that kind of axes, the healer. They have won the kind of acts, a lot of, like, you know, Eva -cation styling label spells 'em. They all kind of synergy is and work off each other, but yeah, there it's a one class one gender party. Specializations tight. Exactly, exactly. But I mean that's the cool thing is that like even fighters you get you get into some specializations for just fighters alone. Like a Paladin is used to be its own thing. But it's a fighter what you can have a pallet. Who's a clerk, you know, that is true, clerk, you could actually have a second palate in who's not, who's just a, a murder. Dude. And especially with like fishing, indeed, now on one of the reasons I love the system so much a lot more freedom to do that. Sort of stuff used to have to multi class to get spells as a fighter now that just have the ultra tonight. Yeah. Like you wanna you wanna sling up close and personal spells sometimes channel through your weapon directly church. Sure, yeah. Yeah. That'd be a rogue. That uses spells, like illusion and enchantment spells sure, we got a whole class for that, you know. Yeah, I mean it's, it's, it's interesting like you had talked about in that the game where you had meme non we had Ravana, and they were both wizards. But you, you put them next to each other, and they're totally different people. They're totally different styles or two different everything. Mike, Mike character in the very same game as Menon the grand high arc Mejias. Yes. Was was risvan a- and she was a. She she grew up in a mining town up in the mountains. And she had a talent for the Arcain that her mother discovered very early, and she her mother after the passing of her father scrimped and saved and bass guitar up to the witch on the top of the mountain and said my daughter likes magic, can you train her and that was it like she literally learned magic on a mountaintop in a hut. Yeah. In some podunk like the pot population fifteen ROY style village. Whereas like meme non was literally a collegiate wizard. He went to Harvard and then his unfortunate circumstance turned out that he ended up being the, the assistant for his like you know what are we gonna order the call? Those when you're like his intern ship was for this ridiculous made who basically used him as an. Experiment. Most of the time and things happened. So, so, yeah, very different worlds end up in the same party in, like, well, I know so much more than you because I went to the Harvard for magic and I have a degree to show for it. And risvan would walk to go. Oh, yeah. I learned that out on the farm. I know what you're doing. Yeah. And he's like, how far girl match me in intellect. And it was great. It's hearth. Wisdom versus book was still wisdom. Exactly. All right. So I think I think we did do cover everything that we wanted to kinda did. We're making excellent time really are. We've got good time to go through these questions and actually enjoy. And we said we were going to carry these questions over, and we did, we did, we definitely kept you guys met elfin technology? We have your questions and we are totally gonna go over these, and we want to in next up. No, no. We're going to go from so, okay. So metal headed. Question in the vein of Prejean characters what about playing pop culture characters such as serenity crew in the firefly PG or get any given superhero in a superhero game. No one. I, I looked at this honestly I kind of read it differently at first, and then sir, I talked about it because my first intention was. Yeah. Go ahead and play a trope you know you're gonna play it differently. You know, be if you wanna be now be male, and then rereading it with Sarah. Oh, if I'm gonna play the firefly PG and the storyteller says, okay, which one of you is Mel, which one of you is. Oh. Yeah, I not I, I would never run that game because I have a vision of who Malas and have an idea of what he would do in a story, and I know what characters I like. And I think if somebody else's playing Kaley and turned her into some kind of I don't know, like an idiot tart who couldn't actually do mechanical work and, or her roles were terrible or as a storyteller. I wasn't properly intelligent enough to say, oh, yes, she would automatically know all these mechanical things we would get. I would see a lot of table fights happening. There's, there's a lot of that there is definitely. There's the knowledge factor. Oh, yeah. You talk about that I've seen all firefly. I've seen serenity but admittedly, it's been while. Right. And I am not enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot. But to say that I'm part of the fandom or anything like that is probably a stretch. I gave it. It's again was due attention, and I, I enjoyed it thoroughly. Yeah. And then I moved on, like, I I've what I've read a decent amount of punisher, but I am in. No way upon us your fan. And if somebody if I ran a superhero game and punisher was in it, and the person knew every issue of punisher in knew everything about it. They're literally gonna walk all over me. Yeah. What you as a storyteller and be like, well, no, no. He actually has three hideouts in this issue at this time period, he would have had this, and then he was working with these con-. You know, it's like wait and your players either going to be disappointed that you're not living up to their expectations of the character or they're going to be angry that you're messing up their charac. Later, correct. And so I way it's either way it's bad. It's bad move. So I'm sorry, met L. I think. No, I'm not sorry that we have opinions on this. I take that back. I'm not sorry that we have opinions on this, I would say, for me from Rob's point of view. I would find it exceptionally challenging as storyteller to try and do that properly, and to give it the credence that it deserves. Yeah, I if I'm gonna play devil's advocate. I'm going to say that. I think there's, there's an opportunity to explore deeper into a property that everybody loves in his familiar with, it takes some pressure off of you to have to come up with characters, and Lauren stuff at that you can literally just hands on the box set and say here watch that, that's the world book, right? Inversely I suppose fan fiction, you know, it's a bit like it's a bit like writing live fan Fiqh, but that's about the best, I can give it, you know, how many people when you say the word. Oh, it's a fan Fiqh make that cat face like your snow making the cat. Yeah. Right now, I just hit them, like making stinky, face take FanFest very personal. Yeah. I think that's the key is that FanFest very personal. I think when you turn fan Fiqh into a role playing session, there's some, you're gonna run into risks. Yeah, so let's leave it there. Okay. You wanna do technologists question next out. Sure. All right. Await we will do the other one. Second. I just wanted to pass it back on a no. You had a huge chunk on this one sharp. Sure, okay. So technolog- asked us who is your favorite character that has been at your table? Not Mike irked. Correct. Not something you created what made that character memorable or special for you. So I had to think a lot about this one. We're talking about a lot of gaming history. And a lot of games and there were a lot of good memories from those games. A lot of good characters in those games, I am going to give this one collectively to my entire adventure group. Oh, man adventure tells the an society, the pulp action nineteen you no go adventure tells the a on society. I love with us did in alphabetical ODA. Yes. So I'm gonna give it to my entire adventure group, a short-lived as they were because I was going through some stuff in my life at that point. And could not continue running the game. But Mark my words we will continue that game. Some we aren't dead yet, and we can get back to that. Yes. We can we naps out to that. But to, to further answer the question why? And who these characters were? So adventure is a pulp action game. It pulp is really about taking those kind of stereotypes, those tropes, and kind of blowing them up to be something that's a little larger than life. Little fend has stick, and in a time, period, not off of, like dick, Tracy, the Rocketeer. I mean yeah there's are all pulp. Exactly. Just trying to help people who, who may not know, the Rocketeer the phantom, the shadow skycap in the world tomorrow in the world. Tomorrow's amazing. What to a degree of the early the captain American america- I? Yeah. Like history. The venture was bit pulpy and a same with wonder woman kind of had some pulp characters to it. Yep. You know where you you've got these larger than life personalities that wrap the character, you know, you know, you want your villains to, to maniacally laugh Knox in boxes. Shouting at his podcast rate podcast player right now to mention doc savage there. Doc, savage perfect thing. So, so when when I said, we're going to be playing adventure. Yeah. And I asked my players to create characters for me. I was little, I was a little worried that they wouldn't grasp what pulp is, and with the essence of it is. And. Rob's, wife Vicki came to me and said, I wanna base, my character off of this real life person, and life of me. I not remembering that really person is, she is screaming at home. Right. Not hari. Yes, yes, the a sexy spy also like a movie star, but also a spy, and I was like, okay, okay. She's like it's based off a real care dress at all right? All right. And she goes and her name is Gracie, demure. And I was like, oh my God, you got it. And like I shed a tear on like this is the most beautiful thing I've ever heard demure race. You named your cursor Gracie demure that is that the mazing and out of that game. We got Gracie, demure. We got Dr Lawrence Critcher, who was a crypto zoologist cr- crews in creature. Yes. Who had a, a, a, a yeti companion. It was yeti. Correct. It was a companion Butler, right? A yeti Butler going on. We had the, the barn Stormer Ila may Hawkins. Know what was cool. She could pilot and anything like a rickshaw down street. That was literally rolling one wheel, she would be able to figure out of that work, but that by plane. Oh, she's urgency by plane. Yeah. Sh- your character shameless Finnegan, who is the most stereotypical Irish bruiser, but the term piketty even terrible to say it that way but it's the truth we had Zing lease. I the Jade dragon Princess. I mean it was all of these characters now it was kind of going through. Like I'm sure grace, he was my favorite and I'm like, oh, but locked Dr Lawrence, creature was great like, but he LeMay. Hawkins was great. But like shame, as you know, and you know what? No, it's, it's all of them. It was that entire game. Yeah. I mean it's in. It's things like that, that help remind you of not only a system and play style in a setting. It pulls together. It is a book in itself in your mind. Exactly. And so, yeah, I would I would. Say that for me the most memorable character. It's hard 'cause I have run quite a few games. And I've connected with a ton of players on a lot of different levels. Does a tough one? Right. It is really tough for me because I didn't take as much time to think about this one nearly. So I, I may revise this over many, many podcasts, which can keep this question on the list. But if I if I go with the group because you did a group shirk, I would say it was my children of heroes game that Iran, I loved in, in those again, those were the characters that I prejudge up to a point yet. And then you guys took off and I ended up with brilliant kids. And it was it was Harry Potter, ask in the sense that your all kids running around a little school. You know. But at the same time, you were the children of heroes, like they had made their money they had made their Mark that started the retirement, and they're like my kid is going to have a good life. But not all of you knew that your parents were heroes, some of you just knew them some of you didn't know them at all. I knew who all your parents were in the background. But you didn't. You didn't know how you got there. I saw. No clue. Exactly, exactly. And I found that as we went to that story, I didn't think it was necessary to expose that part. It wasn't an important thing and we just kept rolling with it. So what your lives created that made it, and it was beautiful. Watching guys crow up, basically. And there's a specific scene that I'm gonna come back to this, actually. Sarah's seem that we adjust finished an encounter where the kids had to rescue some of their classmates and other individuals from basically Cobol effectively, now keeping in mind that seven see, for those who don't know the setting monsters are not really a thing late they exist, but it's not like dean d it is like, oh, look marauding orcs, right? It is like it is it is more to the sense that they are their thing. Things of myth and legend, in some countries myths, and legends. Do come alive specifically in countries like, Germany, where they're like, don't go into the dark woods or the red cap will kill you. And he is a thing you know, they told their children don't go out there, which is will literally sneak you into their home with sweets and then cook you and these things exist at the seven SeaWorld. So when these monsters showed up on the edge of town, it was meaningful. And so there were like ho crab. These things are here. Now, what was interesting was is that somebody had made a deal with her character and said, if you can get me, some of their blood and things I, I would trade for something you want it. It was a specific gland. It was it was a perfume that I was trading was an expensive perfume, correct. Because you were you really wanted that perfume. And so this little girl shows up late one night with the head. Of I wanna say two or three in a sec something like that. And it might have only been one regardless severed. Head were covered in blood from head to toe from the fight and hacking these things heads off, and like lakes, literally stone-faced walked in set the bag on the counter the guy doesn't even make eye contact with you literally deter, Joan carefully packs up the box in a nice package rep hands, it to you, and you just coldly walk out the door and back to the school, without Sayeda word all I could think of, was that toll walk back your feet walking on the cobblestones was the only thing that could be heard that whole damn city shutters just closing. Exactly. Nobody was like there was no little girl. You know. Nope. Nope. Nope. That's that person went right back at their house like dogs coward away from you because the smell of the blood of the colds on you. I mean literally it changed you. It changed you as a person, and many, many years later, that character is still kind of suffering facts from. Such grisly out. It just it's card you. So I, I will have to say I do love those characters, and I loved that scene in particular stays with me and it was beautiful was absolutely beautiful. Art. I think we have one more question, right? Yeah. Mattis medal. Fast. How do you go about introducing new players into an existing campaign with great care? Yes. An I say that there's a couple. I'd say there's a couple steps to this at run through my head real quick, and that is they have to connect with the other players in a hook way. They have to be able to be meaningful to your plot as well. And I think the easiest way that you can do that. Number one is communication. And number two, is think about them as a as adding an NPC, dear story. Why are they there? Why do the players care about this thing? What makes it significant? And sometimes that's a matter of weaving their backstory into this into the game. Sometimes it's a matter of making it meaningful for the players to need that person. And you have to step away from the obvious things like oh, this person's your new leader like some players, Anga fall guy, you know. But part of it the other part of it is looking at your players, and saying, hey, as a group, I'm thinking about adding this new person and for them. Going. Yeah. We totally wanna play with somebody. Let's bring 'em right in. And then let you know work with that a little bit. You need to have energy. Just don't wanna drop somebody into a game. Yeah. That's actually a really great point. Is that you're not you're not just adding a character pitcher also adding player? And you've, I mean, step one make sure that that players cool to be sitting your table. Yeah. You know, make sure that your other players are okay with them being edited the group, they're just as much a part of the game as as you are. And you know so, like we had we've added what two new players since we first started. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. In fact, the mad elf is one of the yes, yes. And with both players I mean we're talking these are good. Friends of ours out of out of game, bribing their close. Friends, we love them, like family. But I still had that discussion with player group going okay. This person's gonna make number six is that too big right? Are we already stretched too thin? And we, we had an honest, goodness discussion of like won't know, we would really like this person in our group in spite of the fact that we understand that six is unwieldy number to do as a as a group we were, we are willing to take that, you know that that burden on that we understand that combats take longer piece gonna take longer. There's going to be that much much more plot that has get added in et cetera. For the game, but we're willing to take that hit to have this person with us. Okay. Good talk. I thought that's what you were all going to. But we still had that discussion. Yeah, even after the years of it. So exactly. So, yeah. So, and then when you when you add the, the, the character in, I think it's important to start right off the bat, regardless of what the situation is give that character their own bit of plot. Okay. So, for instance, when we did add the metals character into my game I began the scene with him exclusively. Not even the group or not even introducing him to the group, but just you walk into the Guildhall. Yeah, here's what happens. You talked to the guild leader. She shows you around. She says, you know, she talks to you about your, your bits of magical expertise, you introduced to this NPC, and that NPC and you have these conversations and then she says. Oh, look here. Come to other PC's that I believe, you'll be working with right? And I introduced him to two of the other pieces that were part of the major guilt, and we went from there. Yeah. Like a good TV show. Right. You're, you're framing, the important person as they're moving through, and then connecting them to the story, but, but not only that, though, you're. It helps to make that player feel important and involved. Because if you just walk in and go like, okay, so, hey player characters who are all here and established in the story and all have their own importance and stuff like that. The newbie shows up to what are you guys gonna do bring, you know that, that newbie really feels like? Oh, hey guys, I have green is right. And now it's up to them to kind to interject themselves in kind of, like we've themselves into the story, and I think it's a really crappy thing to do to a player, you know, give them their own. Bitta plot real them into the story and, and then handed over the PC's who've had five of the game sessions before that to do their own stuff. They can spare twenty minutes. Yeah. For for your new player. All right. Well, I hope because we just got our two minute warning that that was enough of any answer for you medal, and for technolog- next week's topic is going to be on table etiquette. Or what DND in some of us. Call herding cats. So we'll talk a little bit about that. Remember that you can find us on Twitter at S T underscore conclave Instagram as to underscore conflict, and discord, please join the link in our Twitter feed, and come ask questions about stuff and talk about show. Oh, and now you can also find us on patriotic. That's patriot dot com slash storyteller conclave. And that's all one word together story. Todd conclave speaking of patriot. I would like to give a big shout out to our Petri on members. Eric and away named after actually the exact same Ila mate, hawk it. Let's write the exact person in real life. Thank you so much for supporting the show. You're definitely keeping thing going. 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CIPYD 171: Scooting Around and Holiday Dogs

Can I Pet Your Dog?

35:16 min | 2 years ago

CIPYD 171: Scooting Around and Holiday Dogs

"Is there a dog Anna car out of bar on the street? That's a dog that we really want to. Hey, can I. You're you're. Doll with Rene and Allegra. Welcome to Canada pet your dog. I'm Allegra Ringo. Small dog owner. I'm Renee colder, a big dog owner on the boards is our producer Alexis. Preston. Hello. And this is the podcast for unapologetic doglovers. You guys Christmas vacation is upon us court this it is time to go sledding. Are you excited so excited? Yeah. Oh my God. Where are you going to tell me every or? Yeah. Well, listen, I'm going to try to slid down in canyon gray feel like I'm going to get some resistance from everybody else. Hiking up it. But I don't know people holidays getting spirit marine, if you're one of those disks Slad, you you just like careening down the so cool to better listeners. Do I bet that they have foot of their dog sledding? Snow? You guys were no Allen movie snow dogs the movie. Yes. And if you're talking about. Sweating kids we use letters. They was in the snow, which was not that. I was such a spooky CAD. Why what different than a scaredy cat? I suppose. Mis speak, but his now trying sure she. Spooky chanu. Cool like a cat and a cool jazz. Spooky? Seek Planm atropine. That is cool. Wow. Terrified just here bite of everything. And my poor dad would have to be like, you're gonna love it. Just get to the top of the hill. Really? I would not have thought about you. Like this insane of dropping. I don't blame you. I hate it now. But now, I love it. I love it more than anything. And so weird every time Hank made me do it. I was like well that was the time of my life understand. Why it didn't make me do with sooner? So it was always scared about it. But then after I did I was like, it's fun. It's pretty fun. Yeah. That's funny. I'm the flip. I was like as a kid did not care now. I hate this. I was still sled. Sounds fun. I would love to I would I would give to or tubing the most can use let are you going home for? I am going. I'm sure that they know we did because we did all the time growing up. I can't remember where it was definitely being. Yes. So fun. And you were so I did this more in high school. But you are so sore the next day because you have to hear your to above your head to the top sear. Quads are tired your arms are tired. But it's worth that sounds like actually, the only fun workout. Yeah. I've I've never done it as a person who was old enough to get sore. But now, I'm terrified of it. And then that debacle of just like trying to find the proper amount of gear because you're so hot and sweaty at the time heals, but then waiting in line to go back up again, you're freezing. And you like soaking lex. You got covered in snow. What did you think it is that you start getting sore after everything because I feel like I do anyone Allan. Yeah. Oh now. It minds twenty eight. It was eight. No quite. Yeah. I think is soon as you get a sedentary job. Those are. Those are just like what would what are we doing? Why? You walk. I say twenty five or or the first full time job you get. Yeah. Assuming the job is sedentary. Right. And if you're not maintaining a daily work hushing running some sort of construction warehouse, but I do remember like doing stuff like we would go to trampoline world. And I'd always be sore after that kid interesting. Just don't remember it. Yeah. Maybe it was just I'm baby now. 'cause I I was in Arizona, and I wrote aren't we have a horse, right? And I wrote it, and I was very fun. Love it. Yeah. And then like immediate was like. How how does anymore? Oh my God. Your. Yeah. Hill afterwards. Hobby. This is hard. Yeah. Yeah. It's I wouldn't I wouldn't think that you'd be sore after that, then exercise even riding a horse. I guess I guess properly. Don't even think about it. So I. I do what you were at a horse now. Just kicking back. I don't chew. Yeah. You're just sitting. Well, bouncing and you have to you can't like sit. How you want to show you have to kind of keep it balancing. I guess. Okay. I guess if you're if you're just walking, but I was trying to do fun things with the horse. I'm not very good. Very. I think so. Guys point is sledding. I wanna get back into it. And then I also what I would give to watch a dog sled park. Oh, yes. Server dog park. It's like it's led park with the dogs. Get slide down. Do you think like that are feel scared? Yeah. Especially those dogs who skateboarding bulldog skateboard, they'd love nothing or puffs. I think you can see it's usually always a golden retriever, but they've got a back your backyard or yard. And there's a little slide in. Around and around that they'd love it. All right. So let's do you have can you send that to me? Can you make this is my Christmas wish I would love to see dog sledding dogs? Do you have a dog sled park? If you had that police set us a line tickets to go there that sounds Tokyo when we got Senator dogs in the snow. We'll look them wistfully. A little bit your backyard. Sounds great. Okay. So holidays are upon us legs. What what do we have to celebrate via this show? Okay. Bookie cats. Okay. Well, celebrate the holidays. We're gonna be talking about a new dog at my work. We met this week. We don't have every week. I did meet a new dog this week dogs over the holidays. Okay. So this name is Leonard. And I'll tell you all about Ganley. We also have a dog hero. This is about chaser, the border collie who has been called the smartest dog in the world. It's pretty interesting. Plus, we're gonna talk about dogs and Christmas trees, and we have a minute minute from Donna and the Quila. This sounds like a smash it show, we have on our hands. I. Into it. Let's do it. Guys. We have a dog I met this week. Okay. I just showed him on Instagram to nine Alexis. Alexis reacted with a fair amount of anger. He's not her furious. Make sense Allegra was handing the phone tour. Say, hey, look at this and Lexus with disdains. I'd get this a. Alexis has dog and beer. They're all cute. He's that's because Leonard the dog is so unbelievably cute and at my work, you guys. He's okay. So let's describe him a bit. I think Allegra. Hey, why don't you both take stabs at what you think this mixes to he's a small dog to to me? But he's he's tri-colored. He's fluffy. He has freckles on his forehead. I think that he's a Saint Bernard Chihuahua mix. That's my that's my suggestion think he definitely looks all worked work that. He looks like a tiny tiny Saint Bernard does very like some also form of spaniel there. Yeah. So, but I agree Saint Bernard. I think Faber not spaniel. He looks as he is big. He's gonna get. Yes. I can't really little everything it looks like a big dog. Yeah. And so there's something so cute about it just being small. How you drinking elephant or something like that? Yeah. I know how I always want. I mean every day. Imagine like exotic animals, just small cute. Yeah. Then then I it's like that. Easy peasy looks. Yeah. I love the notion that that's your daily wishing Santa's like, I don't. I can't. For that. And I can get it to you. But. Every day starting today with our hands. Weightings? Sorry. I'm late to work ahead to pray for small you'll get it. You wonder stance light for the savory? Got your wish with? You can't really tell also from the photos that he doesn't look like a small, but like proportionately sized Saint Bernard. He's he's short legged and long. Yeah. So almost like corgi, but very very small, but that sort of proportion albacore gave is so fast. And with maybe like a Weiner dog also got involved there could be hitting his owner. I know this is like the mystery time his owner says I can't remember what she said the rescue told her, but it's something around spaniel Lhasa Apso or long haired. Chihuahua her best guesses. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, he could save our so so small it would be insane. If he was any actual Saint Bernard. Here's here's my. Ooh. Interesting. Is that we got that curly tailed. Do you think maybe a pug could get involved? Sure. Why not have a really short knows. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Are like Chow or something like that? That's true. Well, he has talked to me about his personality. What are we work in Chile? Tuck dog envy, he social he barks when he when his owner is away. Which is I think very unmanageable. Just letting you know O'Hare Hughes may just so, you know, yeah, exactly. I'm very poor complaint with me other than that super chill go with happening, cutting scoots, we can do a separate segment of tug has been to the three times for his scoots. Oh, the vet has a theory. It's. Gosh. Okay. Well, well, all right. Sorry. Talk about my dog who's the office. Yeah. Leonard gives everyone envy because he's really chill. He just he'd I've actually never heard him. Bark. Like while. I'm looking at it. Yeah. He just walks around his leash and he's like, oh, hey, and he's like really chill almost to the point where you greet him. And he'll give you like a little tag tag tail wag. And like, hey, but he's he's not like all over. He's just like Hello. It's nice. He seems like a much more mature dog than he is the only one or two he's little, but he seems like he's like wise beyond his years where she get him. I don't remember he adopted from a rescue. And I can't remember which one I'll ask her. But it's really fun because it's been a source of bonding for me and hurt, you know, being sort of new I don't know that many people. But it's it's nice because she was asking about like new dog stuff. And I was like this is my favorite thing to talk about it. I love it. Remember, the high of getting a dog is he bypassing the no dogs emotional support. Creeping. They're kind of craving like they're creeping their way slowly back into our not disrupted there. Great. It's what is your emotional wellbeing better after spending time with it's one hundred percent, even though he's not registered me. Yeah. It's way better. Honestly, it's everyone loves it, everyone the first time we all kind of heard embark. We all went what was here like it was a phantom died. We'd like to we is your dog like everyone so desperate to like throw another dog. It's the best. So did you get the origin of his name how she come up with Leonard? Well, I know that her I don't know this was before after, but so he had to have surgery for that condition called cherry. I sure a little a little thing. But after she got him he was in a cone and her friend started calling him Leonard cone on his name was linen already. Or if that's what gave him the name. Okay. I'll get enough to. I like both his Instagram is Leonard underscore cone. If you wanna fall him. Okay. He's real cute, and you do listeners. Let's go ahead and do that. Fortunately. My job if you wanna be angry every day, follow Leonard. Okay. We're going to interject a brand new segment inspired by called tug scoots. So I I have to give I think is a little bit what I perceived to be trouble at his first that I didn't have the best experience. I have now found head then in my new good. It's amazing. So great, and they're so nice. Not only do they have Don cookies at the front desk. They have human cookies. Good mood. We're working working with something. Great. And all so the the don't have to get on the table. They come down to him for everything just the best. So talk has been scooting like nobody's business. So I took him in for his annual checkup. Just couldn't be better. They make me feel great about everything. He so we went in for his when your checkup and he had been scooting quite a bit. Okay. So little anal glance guys. Can just check that out. That'd be great. And she she's like, yeah. There was no we didn't notice anything. Thirty didn't need that. I think you know, he's probably fine. But good on you for checking. So, but then he kept doing it. So then a week later. I was just like I'm so sorry. Can I can we talk about this again in just over the phone? She was like he keep an eye on it. Let's give it like three days, and it's still prom when she goes and bring it back in. So we brought them back end. She checked out completely. And then she observed him a little bit. They take him in the back to observe him. I was sitting out in the lobby and then she gave out to sit in the lobby and she's just so great. She's so nice. It was like, hey, let's talk about little bit. And so she sitting next made. She's like such a good talk. Everybody back. There loves him. I think he there's nothing wrong. There's nothing just feels. Field. I think if you wanted to turn him or give him something. There's nothing wrong. He just seems to like it. Took in for a fetish. Also unfair is it thing he likes usually indicative of something. Well, and then also such a social. Along. He's licking it. Like, nobody's tried. There could be a thing of just like, maybe he does seem to like, you know, respond to what he gets attention for. So if you want to try to ignore it a little bit. Maybe that's what's happening. So I've been ignoring it. And now, he's does it even more just. To see. Set it like. Quick. This isn't terracing for you. Firms at tug is the funniest dog. Darcy thinks he thinks it's funny. Yeah. But he will get he is funny. He makes me laugh on a regular basis. But so that's the update on his blood is one hundred percent fine. He just really likes it. Back to UK EP at night up next looks like we've got a PSA from local forest ranger duck. Newton do I start now or yeah. Sorry. Okay. 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A music podcast where we talked to influential artists and scholars about the albums that changed their lives on our most recent episode. We had the chance to talk with none other than Rb legend Macy gray about one of her favorite albums on. Beautiful dark twisted fantasy by easy. We get deep talking about everything from Connie's college dropout days all the way up to his most recent shenanigans leak out think he asked to do that. And I was just as pointed. So make sure you your listener are subscribe because you definitely do not want to miss this conversation. Hate rocks. Every Thursday right here on maximum fund. Okay, guys. Yes. We have a dog hero, which we haven't had in a while. Thanks. I love it. Is he going to the Olympics? He's going to the. Pick the right music. Yeah. Don't worry. No. I don't think this has been to the Olympics. But if there were Olympics for being a smart dog, he's found according to me. Okay. So this is about chaser the border collie who has anyone hundred chase from the only recently. She only recently came to my attention. And I was very surprised because he's quite a notable dog. So this is from both chaser the border collie dot com. Go there and also our good friend, Mary SAS lawns article on cuteness, which guest who made her right? That. Okay. So chasers a border collie from South Carolina. She's been called by many this modest dog in the world. Now, obviously, we all think our dogs are own obviously get that title. Yes. Specially mind, actually. Exactly. But so here's why because she has dealer tested memory of any non human animal. Wow. She knows over twelve hundred words, white and has over one thousand toys that she knows by name and confess on command over a thousand call. This is insane. How do you even find them any toys? That's actually the probably the best question here. And where do you store them? All. A store. Crazy carolina. Exactly crazy. You wanna know how they did this? Yes, please. So it has a lot to do with her. Former trainer. His name was John w Pilly. So he was a professor of psychology at wolf Wolford college. Okay. W F F Wolford. He wants. What college and that's how it's. So he specialized in classical and opera conditioning in humans, but soon became interested in animals, and he started working with chaser in two thousand and four. So here's how he did you guys. He observed that border collies had historically been able to learn the individual names of different sheep, which I did not know, and which is bonkers amazing. Yeah. That's incredible. So he couldn't learn the names of. Exact same genuinely could not be like, I don't know. There's again, I I know I know maybe if you had a dog sense of smell it would be different. I don't know. But I thought that was fascinating already amazing. So he decided to work with those instincts that way he began teaching her words using technique called match to sample. So this is where he would put down to objects like a frisbee and a rope say and then he would throw another frisbee and ask chaser to fetch the frisbee. So she would recognize that the two frisbees look similar, right? And that's the word for frisbee. Wow. So to learn names of new toys, he would set down toys that she already knew the names of an avenue toy then he asked hey, certify, the toy with a new name, she'd go to her toys and be able to infer which toy was new based on the fact that she knew the names of the other toys, God, I know. I mean, that's how I got through high school. I don't know. I guess these things do, of course, isn't it amazing dog can do it. Yeah. I know it's very very I should have had her take my SAT's. Tell me. Okay. I know. All right. Yes is unbelievable. Isn't that? Cool. That's too many too much information on her out here. Anderson Cooper has interfered with her trainer. And like there's tons of information on her website and also just all over the internet. Like if you Google the smartest dog in the world. She usually comes right there and then Alexis, founder Instagram. What's a handle? It is. It's just chaser the border collie. Great. And also in case, you were worried the dog is very cute. Okay. The black and white little Bordeaux. She's she's so cute. Yeah. Like everyone's dream dog. Honestly. Everyone's yeah. What a smart girl. Yeah. So cool. That's that's a sounding do that crazy incredibly now, and it's cool koso- pill you her trainer actually did pass away at an old age, but his daughters continue to work with the dog, which is really sweet so crazy. I know I think that's really cool continues to learn and get to work and do what she likes mazing. I know that this is silly. And I think we've probably talked about this before. But I would put it to good use of all the things that I lose in my house. This is what Mckee. Yes, this is what that hoodie that can never find smells. Yeah. Genius limit. Right. Well, with the dial that wants to learn, and as you know, I know border collies, they're smart and energetic. And so they kind of need that stimulation to not be like destructive. That'd be great. And then also my favorite part of winter is bringing out those winter coats and finding the money that you left. I could get this pup to be like it's in this one. That's where you left the doors sniff out money. So you when you're broke you find any money where is it? When there's gotta be a twenty twenty-seven livelier responsible. Help me out. We do. Find the money. That's incredible. What a cool cool. Yeah. So Reno about chaser. Now, listen just talking about border collies. But we gotta get right back into it. I hope you're okay with that. Can you guys work with them? We're talking Christmas trees and you into silly. But sometimes it's fun to go. Look at the website, the dodo. Oh, yeah. So they got a new viral video out called dog decorates Christmas trees, and it's a it's a border collie. So you're like well here we go. She's probably painting it delicately. And then putting it on there. I was a little termed with how the videos if you just wanna look dog decorates Christmas jury Borg only gets the ornament takes it over to three drops it in the tree does it four or five more times. So there's just a pile of ornaments on. Actually, pretty good. And then the three installments, and then the owner gave her the into the lights, and then told her to circle around the tree light started at the top. And then the dog just circled it to make it all decorate. And then at the very end the dog jumped up on her shoulders and put the star on the top. That's Maizet pretty cute. That's really amazing or a great. Oh my God. I just wanna watch a if you've got at the airport. I have nothing to do Google Doug decorates Christmas tree that's a lot of. And then the other Christmas tree. Crucial news that you guys need to know is they they have done a little bit of a study on ornaments that get sold every year and this year, they blame it on lineal. But the the number three ornaments that are sold are unicorns as fine. Yeah. Let it happen food guess what's number three dogs. So they're saying that Lineas now there's steering away from traditional Christmas ornaments and now making team to showcase their personality. But dogs got number three that on a tree. I hadn't thought about it. But now that I think about it. It's not that surprising. I would love dog treat didn't you? Find your somewhere where you found adult ornament was maybe see I was in Chicago a little tree decorated in a store all with Dodd ornaments. So cute all of this should do that. And also like if you on ESI now and start dog ornament. You can get us to mind, exactly. Like your dog. Personally, isn't anything? Now ornament is like I mean, it's the first stop. It was amazing. You tasked me with a Simon of gifts for pit bull lovers. Yes. Ed Oetzi does livers Sochi. Oh, they have everything you could possibly need over there. Oh my God. So cute, great, including down this. You know this over and over what do I ask for a pit bull writing a moose in a paint? Pretty wild. Yeah. But yeah, I liked that. I liked tradition. I think that's fun. But if you just want to kind of make a tree uniquely you go go. That's very interesting interesting that unicorns are also there with. Makes sense surprising surprise me that the farm. I don't I guess I wouldn't have guessed that. But I can also picture it. Really? Well, right. That's true. I guess I mean, they do lend themselves to ornaments. Yeah. But it's a lot of rainbow purple tree what does it unicorn but a dog with a horn. Thank you. Thank you for bringing it back to want to be clear that all horses are at the end of the day. I mean, really good. Yeah. For me wrong point. And back to you. Not. Great Christmas segment. Thank you very much. Hey, ladies, do you know, what time it is? What time is it is time for my minute with Donna and akilah hit it. Hello from Cisco in Canada. This is Donna with a my minute about my pup akilah akilah is what my family likes to call purebreds sketch and rescue dog, which basically means we don't really know what his breed is. But we're pretty sure one of his parents is a blue heeler when we go on walks. Other dog owners will offer suggestions of what else they think he could be the most common guesses are husky and border collie akilah is mostly black. He has a grey Brindle pattern on his legs around his muzzle that my grandma refers to as freckles he also has a white star in his chest and white fervent his black for akilah is eleven months old and his full of energy. 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Episode 44  A Big Foot Kind of Day

Fantastic Worlds Podcast

59:20 min | 1 year ago

Episode 44 A Big Foot Kind of Day

"Previously on fantastic worlds podcast. Oh, sure, come in with the smart plant, we're doing crazy shit. Now, remember, last time when Pippa flew up in the air, and then did fire beat up guards, what suppose we only need a question one of them and like she has this look in her eyes? Like there's something much deeper in her brain going on Pepe casts prestigious nation to make a loud, thunderous clapping noise, just as Edessa enters you guys could of been smart. Like Mark Abraxas is the coolest character. I think that's what we're finding out. Oh, no. I still got that juice reaches out grabs his throat and ice start spreading from breakfast. His hands spreading all over the guy's throat and face as your hand grabs around his neck. And it freezes over you just twist slightly, it breaks off a piece like ice gift bags of Radyr sex sheets and. Why be wakened me from my seat? I have so many stabbing options. These people love stabbing the fucking half. Ling. World's travelers. This is Jess, I'm here to do the intro this week. Let's start it right off with our twitch schedule and every week dozen I usually play different. Video games on our twitch channel from six PM Pacific standard time onward by the time. This episode comes out Dustin, we'll have already done his mass effect to stream on Tuesday, but you can join me on Thursday and Friday playing Yuccas key Wami, and that is once again from six pm, PS, S onward, so and I don't give an end time because sometimes we go super long. Sometimes we just go for an hour. But come check it out. We have a lot of fun. And then next, I have our weekly shout out, and I'm super duper excited. I get to read the review of big Miller, Christina Miller, who has been with us from the very beginning one of our very first world's travelers whom I adore. So. She said listening to the players discuss their new bonds. This episode is so sweet. I am so impressed with the depth of character, you guys have created, and I'm so invested in all of the players and their characters and of course game dad as a new Pathfinder player, I also feel like I'm learning so much from listening to this each week and all my gosh. Big miller. You put the biggest smile on my face and really warm, the cockles of my little heart. So shout out to you. We appreciate you a lot, but I won't keep you any longer. So here is pursued forty four a big foot kind of day. Seeing it now surprise and pain on purpose face it dredged up things best less forgotten, when I see her expression, I see Jana, I see blood and death. I see a massacre all those years ago, we infiltrated an ugly little fishing village, just like this. We clear Colt, but we left a space for new power, Justice, corrupt, and bandits will always prey on the weak first and foremost, when we return to clean up, our mess, they knew who we were already, but we foolishly believed our infiltration would go on nudist Jana just nineteen years old new to the game said she'd found a good source of information village. He wooed her. And she trusted him and she was rewarded for her trust with a knife in the back. The night of our attack. She was also miles chattering nervously, but excitedly about Vero her new love about how once this was over. He was going to join us. She went still before we could even move her eyes widening her mouth falling open. Then her features contorted, and without a sound felt the ground, they are of stood behind her courts, his knife, buried in her back and a malicious smirk on his face. I don't remember killing him. I only remember standing over both of them in shock blood dripping from my scimitar, Sar plan, falling apart, all around me, bandits closing in around, our and Kim. Aid known even before we'd arrived and I realized in horror at the planned all of it, we hope to not movement that Jane hadn't realized she'd been used before she died. I prayed to Capri for her soul as faced the Ford now closing in on us, I prayed for us all. Smell of fish camp is everywhere you can almost taste it as you enter the small building called the guardhouse to ogres covered in filth from lack of shower overwhelmed, your census more the combined smell of fish, and these ogres is so thick. You worry that breathing it in might cause you to consume it like a thick soup. You lay out some pretty serious damage to walk as he retreats back into the other room where his brother borger is in Monette you Russian default low Pippa you are at the door. Reveling a little bit in the success of your hit, maybe feeling like you're starting to come into your own with your own powers. And you say just get late. Stabbed to my. You. It off. I need to know how exactly the degree of stabbed that I am. I can't even I can't even blame you for the hit. Well, yeah. And you definitely feel that dagger shoot into your rib cage, which is a sneak attack, and let's do your damage, then couldn't it be so bad. I love that line has stabbed at my I to gather I don't know if I have enough d six but we'll see. Damage. Shut up. And you have taken sixteen points of damage. Ooh. Could've been so much word it really God. I know it could have been worse, but oh man. I'm bucked. That's fuck hap-. I was so scared that it was going to be so much worse. Little me, too. I was I honestly I was a little afraid that Justin was going to be a like you Jake thirty nine points. Ends up happening is behind you. Everybody else that maybe as looking at you. The visibility falling off is almost like a curtain folly, and a large band with a shit eating grin. And the claim of a gold tooth sparkling catches your eye. I got stabbed by stupid pirate wanna be Fishman. The man is hunched down in a position that if you were looking would be familiar with is that of a train rogue? He has grey, slicked back hair and a long mustache on his face. With a look of satisfaction as he got the best of you and I forgot to mention you on your turn. We'll take three points of lean damage as he has cleaning attack. Is it because it was a sneak attack leading attack. No, I know I also have that feet. I get. The level of angst and spite is all I've ever wanted that into turn Pippa it is now you're to respond. I'm out of spells to which is the part that really sucks about this. Trying to think about like what I wanted to do the whole time the whole week and I don't really have anything aside from, I'm going to have to go back to one of my old favorites. And yes, Dustin. I know this will incur in attack opportunity, but I genuinely can't think of anything else that I could do to run to get under that same. An old on a goody an oldie but a goodie. Do you do neck robotics to try to avoid it? Good idea. A fine idea angel, like just a roll roll forward despite my injury. But does what is an what is an eleven do for me? You do not successfully roll away. So he will still get the attack of opportunity. But you can still move one, one, one, one pull out my lucky stardust ice. Let's see how it does actually if you could use some of your unlucky dice for this role at appreciate it. Twenty. At least we have that season which has a backup is gonna make a season which. Confirms. Yeah. That's a confirm. Abraxas. This is what piercing slashing would we got? It is a rapier, so it is a good actually die. She has to go below her con right? Yeah. Yeah. So it's like negative. Whatever her Ghana's. It's fourteen ish. Yeah. You have for peer seen nerve cluster, normal damage and targeted stunned for one day, six rounds fort save each round to act. This is great. Don't worry, I'm gonna save you and die myself. For two slamming. This guy stabs, and that's another twelve points of damage. Good rayvey. You're stunned for only one round, though. Just one round pick a huge step to the side. And then she tries to move out of the way and he basically attacks just almost this rates her. And she just falls to the ground, freaking Frick, eight points, just say, someone save a breakfast Europe. Healed a breakfast has been chanting this whole time over the Coldren, and when he sees Pippa get stabbed. He is he almost stops but he powering through think through gritted teeth just continue. It's kind of like a little sing song. And when he finishes, the bulge of the colts ran kind of overflows with missed that just covers the area and then to wolves white wolves. Pop up from the ground right by the rogue, who is now the target of target of his ir. Okay. So the wolves pop up and they're right at either side of the rogue and a breakfast is going to bark at command at them, and they're going to strike because they are just as bad as he's. So he would go. We got wolfing number one is a fourteen. Nope. Damn it. Twenty one. Nope. That's all they do. Breakfast is going to take just a little step up. Grab a scroll from his pouch start reading it and put a hand down and gently, gently chant over Pippa fifteen points of healing energy courses less into. He's got this worried look on his face as energies flowing through his hands. They just focusing as much as he's, he's willing as much of the maximum heating role max, but he's willing that energy just a flow into her. I think you this is so good. You'll be fine. You'll find come on this fight. Is it over this guy's nothing when chase he's moving? He's just going to be staring at him. I think he's going to eat them. Do your worst Edessa Europe. So Edessa is going to use their teamwork feet to run to the back side of that room. So she's still can shoot this guy because otherwise with him having Twenty-one and up. There's no way. So anyway, here we go. That's twenty four against touch a twenty four. Yes. You do. It is touch. Okay. I I taught fourteen points of damage. Shooter guy. I think her is like, aired anime angry like flames coming out of them. She's like not about this. She's mad shoot him in his side and some of it glances off his armor. But some of it does go in kind of gas to a little bit like lost a little bit of air for a second, but he's still rallying pretty well. You wanted us to do our worst. See that wall behind you. That's what your brain is going to be just seconds. Yes. Him so good. He's pissed and he licks his lips. John monette. You look over and you see takeout. Vile and drink it and you see some of his wounds heal what a bowl sack and that in journey. And drink your fucking cure potion homes, a bone help you for. It's your turn minute. Monette takes a five step out of the room with one Kim border minez going to use her jewel of Capri knee heel. Healer pals all her pouts. So you guys get eight I'm only three down now. Oh, I need it. Those two it is not as turn, and she moves so the other side, and she can't get a clear shot. She's just going to prepare a shot just in case somebody comes comes into her view, she can shoot so that's all she can do this term, it is now hamburgers, ton and. Hey, I'm Boettger and Ford. And he of course lines up a shot at minute. Let it jerk. That's strategic vote because the other one can't get to her. I've made a choke point is for the seer creek ranges on this. Oh, I'm so scared is not a crit and does it easily? So let's I roll the damage. So you take sixteen points of damage, and then I also need you to roll is ease using an overlook. So it's going to wrap across and pull at the back of your knees and. A twenty five years. Twenty. Okay. And so he knocks you am basically. It's like a it almost flips you up into the sky and you just fall on your back. We did in nineteen on that because I thought it might be a role, and then I realize, no tripping is. And is now a turtle stuck on her back again. Come always the turtle. Sad, little turtle, the roguish gentlemen's, turn is up and he's just gonna go straight for us, and she's on the ground defenseless not defenseless. I've got wolves and stuff around. So the roguish gentleman named actually you guys know Dame. It's MARCY on good old Marciano Darcy on stabbing through the wolves to get it me through the rules. He's she's you're right in front of him. He's directly threatened by two wolves but he's gonna stab at the person because your wrote you take the easiest Mark, so he dropped his dagger and pulls out his rape here and goes to attack he pulls at his rapier. That's an attack of opportunity. No. I don't know chess pulling out a weapon. Yeah. Around the wolf. Yes. Wolf he's ignoring to stab at the prone person on the ground on the, the rainbow die for one, I haven't use rainbow Dyson to rainbow for one and winter dice for two. Oh my God. I need to start using my Rambo dicey connects switched to the winter for the winter theme. All right. So one of them does confirm so that one is going to do the move, you always see Abraxas do take some big chump outta the leg and Yanks down as hard as you can I there's four point two damage. Well right off the bat. And then. Nineteen versus their see. MD. No. They just get bits. I will wittol down bit by tiny bit so strong for a rogue I thought they'd be squishy. You actually are going to have a little bit of fun because he will the one. Oh, this is fates. Eat dirt. You fall pro and are blinded. One day three rounds. This is excellent. So I think he goes to stab Pippa and like as he's going down. The wolf surprises Ziming grabs onto its arm and start shaking it. And you just like what he let's go it almost like a stop hitting yourself on new birdies slams his face which causes the default down. And he just can't see like he's so he's so dazed from the hit. He is blind for three rounds. Puck. Yeah, mess with the wolf attacks on that this wonderful fantastic. Turn. Thank goodness, good, sir. If you're up, I'm stuns, yet, it's neck next to try to negate. So now we're both you've been trying to forge try to negate said to them card. Oh, it did. Okay. Oh, god. A one. That. So I'm stunned. So basically, on the ground you look over and you see Marsin on the ground next to you, and you guys are just staring at each other. Martin kid, actually see you. He just like probably giving him death stairs. But he can't see. Anyway. Oh, don't worry should be if she can move it all, like she's feeling better after Medecin Abraxas appeal that she's still stunned talk. Like I think she's winded, and she's bleeding, but I think if she's just tries, just cranks up that middle finger so hard to come after me, IVA, plus ten fortitude, save. Can you believe like come on a practice Europe? Oh man he is still pretty furious. But he is feeling good now that he has his his peeps there. Breakfast is kind of do a kind of leap next to the wolf and bounce off the ground kind of doing a hand over foot, kind of when he does his four all all fours in men form, which, again his party has seen him do it from time to time usually when he's distracted and kind of, you know, peeling himself and not feeling self conscious about operating in, you know, humans world and he leaps into the cabin and pulls out another scroll. But unfortunately that's all he can do right now. So I think right now he just unravels it and is glancing over making sure he's speaking. The words in his mind to make sure when he started casting it. He makes no heirs very ficitious, hang tight Pippa. We got you Pippas just kind of still like breathing really hard. But you just kind of gives a jerky little. From the Kremlin twice for okay? And it is a Dessus turn will. Now, this guy is blind going to take another shot at him. I just see in my like brain Edessa just like it's so angry. And she like shoots him the first time and then she kind of lets everybody else get in and then it's just waiting for that moment to shoot him again. And the second opens up, she's just like yes. Okay. So that's a Twenty-one against touch. We'll hit who the brains fifteen points of damage. I. He just kind of yells out in pain because he won. He's blind. So he doesn't know what to expect. And that really hurt that he is still doing, okay. It is now once turn good old wonky, one won't move down into this area, and that will in his turn, you guys can't see it. Actually, you hear him shuffling around in the other room and that inches turn. Do the movie thankful rice, spear through the wall. Oh my God worked in. I wished that worked in Pathfinder mechanics. I always want shit like that toward I had a here point. I'd be able to visit dungeon world, though. Monette you're up Manet is going to I think I can't really do much else for v. I'm going to once again, try and slammed my spear through borders foot. I'm just having a foot kinda day where I'm just like let me hit them fee. So to be honest. I roll the nineteen. So I don't think I miss. Yeah. This twenty eight. Roll your beautiful damage. Damage. Well, that's not as good. That is. That is a nine for Ono ten for damage. I'm sorry. I got a five on the day. Plus five is ten you slam down and he's wearing some kind of shoes, so it doesn't like hurt him hurt him like imagine going through, like some leather. So it doesn't stab him. Completely. These foods my fruits my foot hourly stumping around us kind of, like, have you ever seen a kid when they stub their show in like runs around screaming? It's kind of like step toes of the worst, and always thinking about late podcast listeners. I can't see my one d eight plus five. It doesn't show up because it's covered up by the title of my sphere. That's why times I'm like, is it? Yes, it is. It is not as turn. She moves up as close as she can. And once again, she's still can't. So she's just going to ready in action that if the groom clears up she can move in an attack, and that ends her turn, and it is orders. Turn and borders, going to course since he has some perfect target practice right in front of he comes down with over. Oh, did you remember you're prone? Yeah. I mean I still would have hit it was in nineteen. So it would have been twenty four to hit. Okay. So you attack from on the ground, though, small correction in the crown, but stayed on the ground and now border is going to attack her. Well, she is prone leave. The my AC is. Hold on. Vision. Is a nineteen hundred. Right. So he's getting you with that good old ogre hook. Luckily, he can't trip you this time because you're already on the ground already twit q fall into the sub basement. I wrote them much better that time and you take one ten to eight because it's a large weapon. Oh, one d ten is if it's a medium sized weapon so shit. Okay. I'm the right person for these hits. You take twenty three points a damage. Baby. He actually moves to the other side of the. I'm still good though. Actually, I probably still have more hit points than Pippa. And that in his term, it is the blind man's turn. And he's going to stand up and I know that mean tickets in attack of opportunity from. So here's a funny thing happened. I the one money no, I ruled this rule. Thanks for amazing. I my rebel Dyson. She never her. Fucking confirm. I'm gonna switch dice for the confirmation, because I never heard you don't you I think. I use I use my pure pink dice, which is an amazing die for the previous role. I'm gonna use my beautiful your distant made one that glows in the dark. I don't think that confirms twenty. Just. Every time roll your damage. I love you. But every time. To be fair. The only reason I can confirm Brits, because all my tax are against touch, and that just drops that AC so much lower. Minus four penalty on, mainly attackers would a twenty four have done it. Because if I was standing a twenty four would have done it. Yeah. Damage. I wrote them one on damage so. God six on him. God. So that's your walking away you dislike kind of slice that is like as I'm laying on the ground. I'm just like. Quips s- quick swipe against his. Okay. It's like a paper cut. It is now Marciano stern. I he's going to go ahead and stand up and take the attack of opportunity, I believe, from the tool to and wolves not Pippa. She's still stunned. No, I rolled back fuck in nine and a six. Okay. I think he's getting up. He's kind of like trying to feel around and stuff. And he's been around just enough that the wolves like are snapping at the air. And he is going to go in attack. The one thing he knows in the room and fifth in front of him. So he's that's the only thing he knows that question yet. But he didn't get bit by wolves or anything. He doesn't know that she's in the room snapping at him. Yeah. He has no idea. They're there. I wasn't in the same. Shiffer that the thing is, is the one thing he is. He knows that she is on the floor prone. Can't move where the tools the tools are moving. True. No, you're right. He probably hits with a nine thousand nine hundred guessing but he has to roll up percentage. He wrote the forty four. So if he does not hit he is the stabbing at the air, he needs a seeing eye teddy teddy bear, actually. No, he doesn't. I don't think he deserves a seeing eye teddy bear, the gyms of this world are very precious. They are okay Pippa. It is your term. Okay. My on stunned stunned, but you do take three points of leading damage healing. I got he'll dude. That's not how that works. Not when he's blind. Nobody's blinds. Okay. Pebbles going to kind of shakily climb to her feet. I kind of imagined that she's almost using Abraxas as like a brace behind her dislike grabbing his leg like shimmying back into a standing position like. Just I just imagine that she just has this incredible snarl honor face after being put on the ground and then the dude kept stabbing at her. So she's going to kind of, like back up into Abraxas mechanically speaking, she just taking a five footstep kind of back into his square. Maybe. Yeah. And then she's going to shoot at her attacker, her awful horrible. No good. Very bad use. The worst. Attacker, y'all doesn't follow the rules of Geneva Convention. No. Yeah. He has. No honor. So that's why she decided to roll in nineteen. Okay on that, which is actually a chance for my crossbow. Come on Abby, Justin confirm. It's your turn. You gotta do it. He world. That was definitely not a confirmed. A anyway, but you know it's fine because she's still rolled in nineteen hit with a master. We're crossbows, plus five Sadat would be a twenty four to hit hits right now. Good. It should will motherfucker. It's not too excited. Only one six damage Bill. Dude. Any the damage. Okay. He's looking pretty touted right now. I think what happens is Hilo. He's trying to feel in around kind of trying to, like, move around a little bit trying to dodge at anything that comes because he doesn't know when it's coming and he just like moves right into the bolt as it comes and gets right into it. Hurts like health a breakfast, you are up. All right. Breakfast, finishes his chain. Oh, no, no. He was. He was looking over the scroll. And I think he's pretty confident that he's gonna get the flex and everything down, so he will continue. Well this. He'll initiate now start reading the scroll. His hands are glowing with energy kind of, like meals where the table is to kind of get up on the table. And as soon as Monette comes into reach think she's kind of moving around to reposition touches whatever body parts. Is closest to them to let the energy flow. Winter gotta. You gotta reach down for me. That's right. He over the table Levy to grabber. Anything I can read you. Fairly belly on the table. That's thirteen points of healing loan. You jesus. Abraxas. Iraqi is his feet or like on the other side of the table. Yeah. Literally, a mummy needed that. He's on his little belly and in the wolves or he'll bark something that the wolves and they'll continue their assault. Seventeen to hit the and APAC win. Yes. Exactly. What you need. Oh perfect. They both hit. So just like Mollet today. All the stupid male Anna Packwood today, breath, nothing. I love her. But, like this guy sucks. Does. Sorry, Anna eight points, a damage from wolves twin FANG attack. So eight points. And then what are the real the same member again? Okay. So that is twelve versus AMD. I don't think that's going to be okay. So just the eight points of Feng damage. And the twin things by into him. And he screams out loud, and he just falls to the ground, and I need. Oh, you throw me a perception. Check at twenty five twenty two twenty three I rolled the twenty on the day. Do you want the wolves roll teen K, two hundred wolves to Roland? Sure. Sure, I'm I twenty three from one and twenty one from the other. Okay. The wolves rolled higher than you Abby oaks. Shut that very caning sentence. And that internal breakfast, does Desa. It is your turn. Okay. So we have to all funneling through one door to get it there. I just I know if I go into that room alone, I'm going to get in viscera by these room with two overs. Yeah. Yeah. Then a dust is going to take a five foot step into the middle of the room and hold her action that any enemies come into view. I'm going to shoot. Okay intern. Yeah. She ain't got nothing else you could do. I mean she's right next to Monette she can like make soup mix faces her. That. Yeah. What does he do it on the floor? Once turn his up and yeah, he's gonna stay there. It's your turn minute. The net is crawling into this corner. She's crawling, basically into a corner that's directly to the right of the door. If you're facing the door and trying to stand up that's it. That's it. Yeah. That's all I can do. I mean I could slap hands on myself. So I guess I'll do that because after swift action. So that's all I got. Well, not yet now that she is able to kind of look into the room a little bit because he kind of moved in. She actually pulls up her bow and fires at marshawn, and Marsin of says she knew she knew. And all of a sudden you hear this cream out loud, as this arrow pierces, his heart, and he grabs onto and done. Good. Tamar theon. You guys all failed to your perception checks, except for Nadia who rule the twenty and perceived that was in fact, still alive. And yet it I rolled the twenty I only have a plus three. Okay. Naughtiest turn. You love your job. Kill that best. When you least expect it, sometimes she rolls for shit, and then every once in a while. She's like I got you guys she saves around its border, your another pop of wind, and I'll these ogres so dependent on their potions. Curing droughts. Pippa it is your turn cool. Well now that he's dead. So, yeah, I think I'm just going to go ahead and pip is going to going to kind of move up to sort of the corner of the door and like pure around it. She's going to drop her crossville and pull out an alchemist fire and throw it at which ever one. This is you could feasibly throw that around a corner. Yeah. No, I'm good ole hamburger is a fourteen fourteen fourteen is not hit. And I'm gonna say he takes one point splashed him. Oh, why you hurt bar? Gar four try to hurt us, Brooker losses, still broker note, try to hurt you try to hurt our merger lady. I'm one of them Dinkins, my friend. That armor lady is my friend. Oh, and that in sister. Fucking did. Breakfast you were up. I do another bark command. And I'm the send in. I'm sending the clowns to do. No. I'm the send in my wolf pack, only one of them the other one's gonna continue eating the rogue as a reward for their good service. They're going to leave with a full belly before they go back to their domain, so he's going to charge right in, and that gives him an attack of opportunity. He can slam as a Wolfe's popping into the door AC fourteen. So he comes down to like slice, the wolf's, just like, and MRs with no problem. So what would you like to dip seventeen to hit this? All right. When he's just snapping at his heels Abraxas will shift into awesome hybrid. And charge. Excellent. I'm ready for tax one missed in the other natural twenty and let's see if it confirms it does not confirm. So he just through normal damage twenty three points of damage and, and he also gets a trip. Does a twenty two beat your? Yes, he uses the ogre like slice under your legs in slices stoop. Both of them viciously cutting some tenants. Taking a all that damage, and then he sweeps you up on your feet and you fall crown and as at Hammond. As the blood sports outta them a breakfast turns. And the splur- goes all over him. I get to make a range touch attack from a spell cast earlier. Remember? Yes. Fine. That's amazing. This. I cast caustic blood on myself you cause blood to spray and become caustic, wherever it exposed to the air, and it's a free action anytime he hit even on my turn this. I know God and turn into demon you're gonna get possessed by David, I should've listened to editors sorry. Mike god. Well, that's nice. Nineteen a touch a nineteen touch hits. Oh, right. Shed is a total of. Four point. Oh, no. That's my con- is plus three my bed that's five points of acid damage. I think angel gets the award, creating the character I've ever heard of a cannibal cannibal that blood as explosive it's caustic. Thank you very much, good. I was ready ready to get hit. So keep hitting me, buddy. It's free. Text for me. I love nasty boys. Wow. That was going. You don't make it across the room, then you are knocked prone in front of wonk, and you're on the ground. But your blood is apparently harmful so good thing, there's a ten foot reach thing. So I don't think I think it's probably within five feet right? I have thirty feet. It's my range. Shoot in there. I from across Desa. To sell this blood. She out almost magically ends like stab at won't. Okay. She looks a little queasy at this, but it's fine she's going to take five foot step forward and from her vantage point. I think she can hit walk. Yes, I'm gonna say that. All right. Here we go. So she like watches this and it's just like. All right. Here we go, and like takes a five foot like step forward. Looms are up and that is a nineteen against touch that will be a hit nine points of damage, not her best. Oh, Terry still frig won't give so distracted slash surprised from getting attacked by Abraxas. Is. Getting a really good attack on a praxis knocking him down on his ass only be like, sprayed with this blood that hurts, like Pearson sin. So he's a little confused. What's going on? Exactly. And as you fact, you use it any basically, you shoot him right in the back kind of shoots up in pain, but still up a little angry now and he's going to go and take advantage of that prone like wolf boy on the ground. And see rain, does he misses hustling import another spurt bummer hits the ground and the hind hot like hits the ground missing you completely consensus, as a horrible monster kale. Cut, yo when I run by he wanna frame format. It is your turn. It's going to kind of like, because Edessa is directly or left. There's a wolf right in the door and then Abraxas is right behind this wall. Is going to like slide through this door past all her friends, and as she sliding by almost doing this kind of cool anime slide is going to try and slash her spear against the of borger as she's like doing this cool anime slide pass. That's so team needs. I can't do any attack of opportunities. Wow. Now it's the left behind, so there's the. Cases lean a little bit. But that's why. Team work. That's a twenty five to definite hit. Does. That's funny fire. Twenty five. I got a seven on the die and that plus five so twelve points. Okay, up engines. Fork jumps back in grabs, his shins and paintings, like, oh, you heard Dr. Thrill of battle in her eyes. She's grin is not as turn important portinadi. She can't, she can't do anything but moving into the other room is she okay? She took down the dude. She was the only one that knows nobody porn naughty on the cool teamwork feet. So she doesn't get to enjoy that we gave her the memo that are false. Yeah. Yeah. Does she with us? She has not leveled yet. Okay. So we'll see she could take the team we're leaving next time. So it is now forecast turn, and he, of course, going to one person in front of him that just irked his shins. Man should be effected me Jesus critical fail. Oh. The fail part. Yes, yes, yes, I love it when he failed failed may lay Bonk you were stunned for one round. Yes. Burger borger box. So what is happening is worker? He's wincing from the pain in his shifts. And he goes up to attack Monette, and he just hits himself on the top of the head of what happened. They call you like caveman clubs himself and he's just a little dazed in stunned for the next turn. It's your turn so Edessa. How would you like to go big? More than anything. Excellent. So Pippa lays a hand on Odessa's leg and casts and large person as she's doing it. Pippa just says something along the lines at shoot them all day, it's a big Odessa. Oh my God. The low them away because I mean, James now Pippa size. Oh my God. This is going to be so much fun. This is just as this is. I think our Dessus, I turn with enlarge person. I think Monette Scott Nitin Abraxas has gotten it, and it really has the dentist die for the almost dying. We're about to find out though. This is turn. I'm just huge. Now. A Brexit is now your turn you see this giant Edessa through the door. Awesome. Actually, you're on the floor, and you're kind of looking up, and, you know, maybe wondering about the, the fragile ty- of life or something. I don't know. And you look up and all of a sudden, you'd see a designate three size bigger as she becomes a large creature. These probably should've let her get through the door. I come up, and you can get through these doors shaking. Oh, okay. Never mind. All right. I'm gonna crawl determined calls up right? They normally do do the crawls but I'm Jason Tim Annette. Oh, cut Jim that. So i'm. Monette had. How, how are we how would you covering me? Oh, I'm basically like I suite my spear over your back while you're crawling. So it's like, if they try and reach out and strike, you, my spirit just goes right over you. Yes. I'm like, I'm like, helicoptering my speier like no. That's why some Deums some teams do not allow team where because they're like this, but a lot of players don't take them because it takes all of them, or just a small group. And I haven't seen a lot of people take your thought is yet sucks. But at the same time you guys always to defeat slot on it. So, like, all I would hardly call it wasted. We'll just get to know what I mean is big investment into it. So too should get you a big return. I like that. I like that. Yeah very true. You're right. But I do like that. That's a great idea, anytime you guys have to explain now, how these other people, protect. Okay. That's also good idea. Yes. Yeah. So I literally, I'm just saying they're like swinging my sphere over my head to make sure that he doesn't try and touch Rex's, he's moving past. Competence, he's gonna scratch into the floor and use his claws to bring them closer to Monette. And once he safely next to her, then he's going to stand up. And unfortunately that takes all of his move, but it was a pretty intense crawling there. Okay. Super size death. Say it is your turn says she is going to shoot at she's like huge and her gun is huge Jim is tiny and she's just like hack ING and she like puts her rifle through the door as a huge being that is actually wait. She can she could move through all of this without taking tax opportunity. Yet, she like lumbers through the doorway and move all the way over next to Brax on the other side of the room. Guy around you hear walk and burger at the same. Today. Oh my goodness. Hold on. I, I have to roll this. I own my gome. What all my God. Twenty okay. Guys. Someone leber. Do I don't ask for much little die? God this. Point that would bandaged. Yes, I would like, yes, you do that. Okay. Okay. Okay. Here we go. Guys using my hero point with advantage. Did bandage I rolled a four twenty? Role there. One more time. And if you do it, it's an instant kill right? Head on. Twenty twenty twenty if not then Ted, but doesn't matter because it conferred still what's the card there? I know I always ask, but if. Piercing. Bludgeoning. Piercing piercing. Bicep wound normal damage. One day force to rank damage. So you do as it enlarge creature. We determined it to one twelve damage and you get times for as with your weapon, right? Oh, roll some damage. Okay. Sushi rolls forty seven points. To know that I'm listening to glam on by rupaul and it's so appropriate. Jake's four points strings image. She I rolled a four I rolled my tiny little tower. It doesn't matter because what it's up happening is you light up this giant looks like a cannon, basically. And you just go boom and there is a hole in the center of walks chest where his chest once was. And he just falls straight down to the ground and. That's moment of my full me. All wheel temporarily deafened from the boom in this room you are for the next. I'm going to actually say that. Yes. Because this is such a big room you are all deafened for two round. Well. Well. All right. Deafened I'll take it the only person who could here right now is Jim. So it doesn't the only person that can right now. Take it, you know what whatever that was Titus shit. My brother. No, it's Benitze turn all that's left is border. The net is like. So psyched about what just happened like she wanted to scream, a lot while all of that was happening, but basically, she's focused still on the battle. So she lists her spear and is going to try and, and this fool, I just as the first time ever over the Manetti really happy about minez probably like. To so many levels like, oh my God. She's so huge that cannon was just ridiculous. I'm kind of deaf right now. She's a female. Nominee, the Clinton. Good day. Yeah. Monette still like in the middle of that kind of helicoptering move she's doing. She's taking that finals. Swing down to try and slice across his stomach. And take him down. That's. Joke. It I am not the twenty Queen. For hands off the die. I have the fucking it's rate. My boy there. Please baby. Do this for me. Again, please receives a hero. I kind of do you should you have somebody to I used one? I don't regret it. You lost out hero point today, because you have somebody hero points. I wanna crit for one. Bandage. Fantagaufa. Oh, yeah. I ruled the woods so we. Oh, that's much better. Okay. So twenty eight that definitely hits piercing. This is I'm so glad I pulled this car. Are you ready for your title here? Just. You have her fict- strike triple damage, course. Yes. It is the most perfect strike. I'm actually listening to formation by beyond. Her. I'm putting on for me. Oh I got an eight on my die. So what else does perfect strike do triple damage. It's just triple damage. Okay. So I mean that's I mean just tripled. Nope. It doesn't the spears already triple damage, right? Yeah. So then what does that do it moves up one? Right. So it's eight times four. So, yeah, that's thirty two points of. So you basically you do like a baseball bat style with your spear because he'd been doing the world wind thing, and you slice it across his stomach. And it opens up into stills out onto the ground and he dies. Oh, so good just reaches over and like picks you up because it's like the only time ever going to be able to do this in her entire life. And. She's so into it. She's like, yeah. We. She thought we were going to die. She was like ready note yet. We were toes. Fantastic world podcast is fantastic. Enjoyed the show enough and want to join the WP community do so by following us on Twitter at antacid, pots took out how strong are mean game is at been tested world's pods on Instagram or chatting with us on discord. I am just in Alexander your game, dad master. You can find me at dusted. Alexander on Instagram or Twitter. I'm eight you can find me on both of those platforms. At bonanza famine this is angel. I am also on both of those platforms. 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Crawls over. Gone. Nice axles cooking something. Smells really good. But can you tell by the smell I smelled garlic salt? Oh yeah pepper. Tell us more, so sorry. The hunger. No, no. I just had a moment of panic because I can see the front yard. Through the through the window, and Steven was just getting something out. He was getting our suitcase out of the trunk of my car, but I wasn't really paying attention because it was looking at the microphone and time it is waiting to clap. And so I thought someone random had opened my Trump. So I'm fine. It was fine. It was Stephen. He is my husband and owns all the things I own. And so it's fine car. You meeting to mention your hair looks super duper Q is like lighter. Yeah. I got got Bali done on it. So it's like my normal color half and then half way. Blonder I usually am. So visit lighter than lifetime. Or is it the? It's just it's just the ambiance. I have I have some truly beautiful like buttery golden evening. Light coming through my window right now. It's very flattering for Abby. It's it's golden hour. Just all the light is. My four most down. Golden hour like angel is perpetually in the door. Danger in actual. Oh. Building. Okay. Painting around him. It's just the sound of the take. So this on it. This might be this might be the death of, of the fort. I'll have to. Amazon, too big oak cardboard box. It doesn't matter what it is. It's I have Dowell that ripped off of one of the things so music to prop up. Oh, god. This makes me nervous. Scared for you. Oh, god. I mean, it's fine the middle of conversation just gonna swing down and being angel in the head and he's going to die. Okay. I got it. I had a so the tape to refocus with say. I see this Dow away, hold on have to trace it down goes down. Oh my God. It used to be on my desk. But now it's on the side of my desk, but seats removing that little fake moved Skoda most knocked everything out. So about you and your. 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Episode 1: Cluttered

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Episode 1: Cluttered

"Someone Fatally Stabs Stacy Stanton inside her apartment on February third. This was violent brutal. On February Third Nineteen Ninety someone brutally murdered twenty eight year old Stacey Stanton inside of her second story apartment in North Carolina. Then cleaned up and disappeared residents of manual have lived in fear. For Thirty Years Stanton's killer has had one face and one name North Carolina investigators in manual police. Believe that someone is Clifton Spencer. But his prejudice they absolutely have tunnel vision that it was the black man who killed the white woman keeping an innocent man convicted. They will know NASA old. Good old. Man there. And covering up more than one crime. For that guy I just really serves lake. Did. This is counterclockwise the investigation into the murder of. Stacey Stanton. I'm your host Delia Dan. A small speck of land floating along the Outer Banks of North Carolina called Roanoke Island is where my investigations stops to give you an idea of the area we're talking about roanoke island is really small. It's only about eight miles long from end to end and it's where I grew up. If you listen to season one, you'll know we're talking about a place about twenty five minutes from Kill Devil Hills and other towns in the outer banks like nags head in Kittyhawk. Highway US sixty four cuts through roanoke island and actually cuts it in half. It's the main road right through the center of the town of Mayo. The town's roughly fourteen hundred residents live on streets that for the most part branch off of sixty four most people live in the official township of Manlio or somewhere just outside the town limits. Like my family's home, for example, it's just outside the town limits but everything on this island is so close that if you live anywhere on the island, you just say your many. Oh, not from the beach not from the mainland just manigault. It can get boring being surrounded by water with the one saving grace is the downtown. Waterfront. This area is like the hub of everything. There's a few restaurants, bars, government buildings, shops, and of course, water access. Every street from the main road leading into downtown has a historic name. They're all associated with the islands claim to fame being the site of the first English colony in America. English settlers landed on the north end of Roanoke island in the fifteen hundreds and became known as what's called the lost colony because one day they just all disappeared and to this day, no one really knows what happened to them. Downtown streets are related to figures in that story. For example, there's Queen Elizabeth Street while we all know her then there Sir Walter, Raleigh Street named after the explorer and the settlers. Next is Anan is Dare Street that's named after the guy who fathered the first English child born in America. It's history that that draws a lot of people to the island every year, and with the Taurus comes the need for service industry workers. The parasail instructors, boat captains, bed, and breakfast operators, and of course, waiters and waitresses. In one thousand nine, hundred, Eighty, seven Elizabeth Stacey Stanton who everyone just called Stacey moved from Northfield New Jersey to the town of mania she was working as a waitress and part-time hairdresser. She was twenty five years old and knew the area. Well, she'd been vacationing on the outer banks since she was a kid and her family had some distant relatives who lived in Mankato. Stacey knew she can make good money waitressing in summertime enough that she probably wouldn't even have to work for a few months in the winter when things slowed down. That's how the industry sort of goes the outer banks. You make a ton of money when the weather's warm than everything closes from January to late March than it all starts up again in the spring. After. Leaving New Jersey Stacey moved into a second story two bedroom apartment at five, zero six and and I dare street in downtown. Some of our family friends rented the unit tour and it was the perfect spot because it was walking distance to the Duchess of Deir restaurant the diner she was working at. When I say you could walk for where Stacey live to the duchess literally you could and she often did her front door was seven minutes from the diner. The building where the diner used to be isn't standing anymore a businessman gutted and remodeled it into a wedding reception hall called One Zero Eight Buddy. that. Venue is now sort of a landmark in downtown. But back in nineteen ninety, the Walker family who built it was running the diner they hired stacy and they couldn't have been happier to have a working for them. To get a better idea of what it was like at the diner and what it was like working with. Stacy I got in touch with a man named Carl Walker. Well mother she owned the Duchess Dare and downtown man you. Eventually took it over and we will there for over fifty some years. From. The time his parents opened the diner in the Nineteen Thirties Carl says the duchess of dare was always a center point of downtown and he was the general manager in Nineteen Ninety. Anyone everyone hung out at the Duchess. Lot of locals. Coffee. Drinkers Mornings, and then we'd have a lot of locals come in for lunch. Course, we had the tourist. Carl says Stacey didn't stop working when January and February of nineteen ninety rolled around because local foot traffic and good tip money. made it worth it. Thanks Stacy had been there maybe a year. So maybe I can remember it's been so long. But I thank you. You know at least probably about a year. Stacey. Full of joy you know? Kinda. Work she never had a bad day she was always. Always happy. Just nice to be around. She was good to customers. You knew she knew had to do her job. She made good money. On Saturday February, Third Stacey was scheduled to work at one forty five in the afternoon. The weekend brench lunch crowd made Saturday. One of the best days to work. So by two o'clock, when stacy still hadn't shown up for her shift, her co workers began to notice. The first person to speak up about Stacy's tardiness was a woman named Terry Williams who was working as a part-time hostess after a few weeks of searching I found Terry's number I gave her a call. She answered, and for the next hour we spoke about the case she didn't want our interview to be recorded for the show and she specifically didn't want her voice recorded. But. She told me I could report everything we discussed because she quote wanted Stacy's family to finally have some closure and quote. I wasn't sure what she meant by that, but I agreed to just really her story here to you. Back, in nineteen ninety while she was a part-time hostess at the diner. Terry was also a fulltime dear county sheriff's deputy a job. She worked Monday through Friday. The Saturday Stacey was laid. Terry was like I said the first to notice. So maybe just call it cops instinct maybe had something with her having to do with being a deputy. Terry, says, she told another waitress named Tina to go check on stacy and see where she was after all everyone knew stacy only lived right around the block from the diner. Tina told Terry she would do it. She was wrapping up the end of her shift anyway. So it was no big deal. Tina Terry and Carl are all thinking at this point maybe stacy just over slept or stayed out late with friends who knows? You know we all enjoyed party and a little bit having a good time but I never thought she was. PORI too much. She was always shown up for work. Louis. Happy. So she did her job so she wasn't partying all that much. Terry says five minutes after Tina drove off to go to stacy's she returned to the diner. Hysterical. Tina told Terry that she'd gone into Stacey's apartment set her newspaper on a living room chair, and then looked over into the living room where she saw stacey on the floor bleeding all over. Tina's said, the lights were off and it was really dim and she couldn't be sure what she was really looking at. Terry says in Tina's upset State Tina couldn't provide much more detail. The only Tina said was quote I think stacy fell or his hurt there's blood everywhere and quote. Because Tina new that Terry was a sheriff's Deputy Tina told Terry to use the diners phone to call police. Officers over to Stacy's. Terry says she did that but instead of waiting at the diner her and Tina went back over to stacy's apartment. Now here is just the first of many critical errors you're going to hear with this case. Terry says when she and Tina got to stacy's apartment, no police had arrived yet. She says, she made Tina stay outside. And she walked up the outdoor staircase to the apartments porch door opened it, and then a few feet after that opened the unit actual front door. Terry says both of these doors were unlocked. As soon as Terri walks inside the apartment and turns the corner into the living room, she sees stacy's partially naked body sprawled out in the middle of the living room. She was laying near a small mattress on the floor. Terry said next, she walked over to stacy's body stood over at looking for any signs that maybe she was breathing or still alive but Terry says she made sure not to touch stacey or anything in the living room. She immediately noticed a lot of blood around Stacy's head and honor shirt and the blood was also soaking into the floor. It was obvious to terry that stacy was gone. Terry says she quickly backed up out of the crime scene and shut the front door. It's right. Then once back outside that, Terry says she sees the first manual police officer arriving on scene. That officer gets caught up to speed from Terry and then he goes inside but despite Terry telling him that stacy, is obviously dead. This officer wants to check it out for himself. Once he's gotten a look. He lets appear medic into the apartment behind him. That emt goes in and essentially does exactly what Terry just did stands in the living room looks at Stacy's body and tells the officer that Stacey is deceased and there's nothing you can do for. The next person on the scene according to Terry is colonel from the Dare County. Sheriff's Office, and he goes inside of Stacy's apartment to check the scene out too. Suggest a recap here according to Terry that's five people who have been in and out of the crime scene in less than ten minutes they've all walked on the carpet touched the doorknobs, climb the stairs everything. Jasper Williams, the colonel from the sheriff's Office is finally the one to make the call to close the crime scene down. He realizes they have a murder on their hands and the town of Mania police chief is going to need some help gaining control of the situation. Now at the time, the guy running the show at the town's small, very small police department was chief Steve Day. Steve had only been in his role as chief for five months and up until Stacy's murder, he'd never investigated a homicide in the town ever. Jasper. With the sheriff's office new pretty quickly that this scene was going to require the full attention of his deputies. So he alerts his boss, Sheriff Byrd Austin and it's all hands on deck from there. But. Here's the thing. Even the sheriff's Office in Nineteen Ninety wasn't equipped to investigate this kind of homicide at least not like the State Bureau of Investigation could. The SBA is a much bigger law enforcement entity that has special agents trained to investigate major crimes. Here's former Dare County Sheriff Bert Austin to explain why the FBI needs to come in on this case. I don't think anyone ever would have thought that would happen but the world was changing. This is one of the things that we started having to deal with not on a big out but we were getting into stuff like that. What was Dare County like in Nineteen Ninety It was growing. But. It was like a flower opening all of a sudden. The growth of the county and the area was just way ahead of US keeping ahead of it. What kind of crimes your agency was investigating mostly drugs very rarely did you have a major felony crime? Like a murder murder or rape or anything like that. That time Matteo's police department was a small police department. They did have the manpower, they did not have the equipment. The sheriff's office was a little bit larger and the Sheriff has jurisdiction anywhere in the county. So they ask us to assist them, and of course, we don't have or didn't have near the type of equipment that we would need to get into that. Immediately with consent of the town we asked the S B., I n, and that's pretty standard all over the state. Small towns especially. Burton getting FBI agents to the scene as fast as possible was paramount. If, you don't know what you're doing and you can mess it up in a didn't ever get court. We still weren't very large at time when I went an office I had thirteen deputies. And that was an eighty ten years. Later I'd have we had maybe. Twentieth the most I don't remember the exact but. It makes a big difference. You've got to have the manpower the people to do this. Bird put Jasper in charge of coordinating with the state agents who'd becoming from Greenville? North. Carolina. Several hours away. Burt knew that Jasper would make sure the SPIC forensic equipment lab techs multiple detectives. The whole nine yards would arrive as soon as possible Jasper put his whole heart his job. I've known him since he was born and he was the most capable, and at that time we had for the county he was thirty in line to the sheriff. Him being at the scene of murder would be pretty standard happening the county. Yes. Definitely the chief deputy both would probably have been very rarely involve. We were asked by the town to assist them. He was a man that we set. While they waited for the FBI to get their keeping. Stacy's apartment building clear of onlookers and securing it with the sheriff's Office top priority. But. By two thirty in the afternoon, the influx of so many police cars an even a few town commissioners at the crime scene got the small communities attention. Tina and Terri knew what was happening and word quickly spread eventually making its way back to the diner. Here's Carl Walker again. Everybody who say well couldn't believe it. We couldn't believe that that even happened you know grown up here in many I grew up here and. You very seldom seen anybody getting killed around. There was a few during my daddy but. It wasn't everyday thing or every week. So it was kind of shocking and to hear how bad it was. That's what was the shocking about it though how somebody? Could be so cruel to human being get into with the detour. Burt Austin and his deputies didn't want too much information about how stacey had been killed getting out to the public yet but just like in every small town, the rumor mill started turning. Firstly. Enjoy to do is got calmed down people. The situation with everybody thinking that I knew the answer to this and they've given you learn a lot listening to some of them. Pick up on stuff and everybody has their own answers to it in small tau or. Other areas too, but everybody speculates too much. This nearly focused speculation that is about to define the trajectory of the entire case. At four, forty, five in the afternoon on February third two and a half hours after stacy is found murdered the first two FBI. Agents arrived on scene. These detectives still had to wait for their crime scene forensics tech to arrive with special mobile crime lab with him. Still hours away they got to work questioning the first people at the scene. Terry and Tina. And, here's where things get strange. Terry gave the agents her full statement of what I've already recap for you. She explained it was Tina who I discovered stacy's body in the apartment had come back to the diner to report something was wrong. There are few discrepancies though with Tina and Terri statements when you look at them side by side particularly when it comes to the sequence of events about what they each did and win. For. Example Tina Toll Jasper Williams from the sheriff's Office that when she and Terry went to the apartment after calling police at the diner they both went inside and Terry turned on the light switch in the living room. Then they both retreated back outside. Now Terry statements say nothing about this. Terry is adamant that it was only her who went into the apartment after they left the diner Terry to this day says she did not turn on the light and Tina was not with her when she stood over Stacy's dead body. Now. This inconsistency may not seem that important right now, but you need to remember it because it would become important later. By the time investigators gathered these basic statements from Tina and Terri and they get their bearings on the crime scene, the S B I mobile APP arrives. It's seven thirty at night at this point and Stacey had been dead for hours still laying inside of her apartment. The man in charge of going through the crime scene taking photos and collecting evidence is Dennis Honeycutt. Some of you may remember his name from season one. He's the same guy who processed denise Johnson's crime scene. In the nineties Dennis was the North Carolina espy is go to forensic tech. By nighttime on February third, he starts his examination of Stacy's crime scene starting outside in the driveway of the apartment building. We have several crime scene photos that he took there on our website counter clock podcast, dot com I encourage you to go take a look at these photos because you'll get a better visual sense of the next part of this episode I'm GonNa take you through. For starters, it's important to understand where stacy's apartment building sits on anonymised dare street it set back off the road and a long driveway takes you to it. That driveway is situated between two houses that are closer to the street. The family that lived in one of those houses in nineteen. Ninety actually still owns the apartment building today it's all one big piece of property. I went by to get a better look last time I was in town. I'm standing in front of five or six hundred is dare street, and when you look at it, Stacey Stanton's apartment would have been on the far right and when you go up to it, it's just like it looks in the pictures from nineteen ninety there's a staircase on the side that leads up to a porch, and then at the top of the staircase, there's a door to a little porch area. It looks like the Porch looks exactly how it did in nineteen ninety. It's kind of off to the side of the entire building and looks like there's a new front door now for sure. So you go into this little porch area and then right through, there is the front door to the apartment. where I was standing was exactly where Dennis Honeycutt walked thirty years before beginning crime scene sweep. The first thing he notes in his report is that by the time he got there someone had groped off the staircase leading to the second story apartment. They finally cut people off from going inside of this apartment. Someone Alerts Dennis to a wash cloth that had been found out in the street and this wash cloth appeared to have blood on it. Dennis bags that and keeps going. He's just getting started at this point. As he makes his way up the stairs notices, a large floodlight turn on that's triggered by his motion. Obviously something that would have turned on if and when the killer walked in front of it. As Dennis heads up to the apartment he takes pictures of the staircase, the door frame everything. He notices that the first or he comes to at the top of the steps lets you into a small enclosed porch. He wrote in his report that this exterior door was in really bad shape. Several, horizontal pieces of glass on the door at that were designed to roll out to open cracks for lighter air were missing but there was no broken glass around the door or on the porch. Just, beyond these holes were glass should have been. There was a section of the screen on the door that had been pulled back in it appeared someone had tampered with the lock. Dennis realizing this is obviously important dust the lock area for fingerprints and picks up some. Next he observes stuff laying around in the enclosed porch. There were some broken beer bottles, beer cans, small dresser, and a cement block. Inside the top drawer of that dresser, he finds a crack pipe, which he took his evidence. He then continues to dust all of the surfaces and the door frame of the actual front door stacy's apartment. After doing that, the next thing he comes across is a small hallway leading from the front door into the apartment. We have a full diagram of the FBI sketch of the apartments lay out on our website, which I think will help you understand the layout of the scene. When is in the hallway he notices that the overhead by is on and there are several patches on the wall where the sheet rock was being repaired. As he turns and goes into the living room, that's where he sees stacy's body laying in the middle of the room on a small mattress. He makes a note that the light is on and so is the ceiling fan, which can we just stop here for a second I mean I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure it's never good practice to have a large selling fan blowing on a crime scene for hours before you can even process it, you could disturb a lot of evidence. Tina said Terry turned on the white in the living room before they backed out which might explain why the fan in lighter on but Terry again said she didn't do that. It's unclear though if Terri did this or perhaps some other person like a police officer might have. Either Way Dennis found that it was on before he even goes over to stacy's body. He takes pictures of the entire living room scene. then. He snaps a quick shot of a local newspaper that's wrapped in plastic delivery bag it sitting in a chair, the newspaper is dated for February third meaning. It was the newspaper for that day and had been delivered early that morning and then brought inside remember Tina told investigators that she was the one who brought it inside when she first found Stacey. As Dennis makes his way toward stacy's body. He observes a couple of other items scattered on the floor including old newspapers, a magazine and a match pack. Among these items he also notices a lot of other stuff cluttered in the room several cups, beer cans, cigarettes of different brands and Ashtrays a magazine spread open on the couch food wrappers, lots of just stuff. He bags all of it as evidence. Once he gets over to stacy's body. Dennis clearly seized that Stacey has been stabbed mostly in her neck and face her wounds are obvious. She's laying on her back partially on a small mattress and she doesn't have pants or a bra or any underwear on ener. Her Shirt is pushed up her breasts up to her neck. She had a gaping slash wound to one of her breasts and upon closer examination. Dennis notices more slash wounds to her genitals. There was no blood coming out of the wounds to her breasts and genitals though which Dennis noted met, they were likely made after she was killed, but we'll get back to that when we go through her full autopsy and a bit. In addition to her horrific wounds, Dennis notes that Stacy's body is positioned culinary almost like she was purposely staged. Her arms were over her head and her legs appeared to have been spread, open and bent at the knees. This gruesome posture was only made more disturbing by the massive amount of blood pooling around her. Blood. Was Soaked into the mattress a sheet nearby a pillowcase and splatters of it were on a couch TV small table and most of the walls. Laying around Stacey was the outfit she'd obviously been wearing when she was attacked. A pair of gray sweatpants underwear pink. And white tennis shoes all had blood on them. Dennis noted that one of the shoes was still tied and had blood drops and smears on it. The matching shoe had blood on the bottom of it almost like stacy had stepped in her own blood at some point. Her pants and underwear were towards her feet which to Dennis appeared like the killer undressed her after she was dead or undressed her while she was dying. Her clothing had bloodstains smears on them, but looking at it Dennis could tell the blood hat and soaked through from the inside out it appeared the bloodstains had dropped onto the pants and underwear and soak them from the outside in. Something else kind of strange was that stacy was still wearing gold stud earrings and two chain necklaces. There was a third gold chain necklace that was smeared with blood sitting on the floor by your head beneath the front of the couch. It had been broken at the class, but before falling to the ground had landed on the couch. Dennis took pictures of an imprint of blood that the necklace left on the couch cushion, which meant it was likely broken off Stacy's neck during a struggle and flew off onto the couch with blood on it after she started bleeding, then it fell on the floor. The fact that all of this gold jewellery was still with stacy means whoever killed her whatever mode if they had it probably wasn't robbery. Another strange clue was the position of the TV and some plants near Stacy's feet. The TV was nudged back on one side like someone had been standing in front of it and bumped into it, causing it to sit crooked. Then there were the several plants near it that were turned over again, all signs of a serious struggle. Now I. Know this is a lot of information I'm giving you to take in all at once. So again, I'd encourage you to check out our website because we have a diagram of the SBA sketch of this area. Very close to where Dennis the turnover plants and stacy's clothing. He notice cuts in the mattress that stacy was laying on. It had several deep slash marks in it at the bottom near her legs like someone had intentionally stabbed into it either to keep her from kicking them or just to be destructive. After almost five hours into his examination, it was now twelve fifteen in the morning on February fourth. It's been that men from a local funeral home were allowed to come in and remove stacy's body from the crime scene. They took her to the State Medical Examiners office and it would be there in the autopsy. The medical examiner would find something that would get investigators their biggest clearly yet. When the state medical examiner started his autopsy on Stacey. The first things he noticed were multiple stab wounds to her neck in total stacy's killer stabbed her roughly eighteen times in the neck throat chest and several places superficially on her body. The blade was thin and very sharp, most likely a razor blade or a box cutter type knife. Stacy had officially died from blood loss after the murderer severed her carotid artery, which is located in your neck. It's also sometimes called the jugular vein. The medical examiner noted that a lot of the other cuts on Stacey weren't very deep. They were made fast and indicated the person committing the crime was acting furiously. Drops and smears of her own blood had been transferred onto her torso legs and the bottom of one of her feet. The medical examiner explained that he believed the smudges of Stacy's own blood were likely left by the killer who was positioning her body after the attack. Stacey was also mutilated her killer had cut her right breast and slashed several times at her. Genitalia. And the medical examiner confirmed what Dennis Honeycutt it suspected back at the crime scene that based on the absence of blood flow from these wounds they were inflicted after stacy was already dead. They also performed a rape kit and that came back clear. There was no semen on stacy and there wasn't any other sign that she'd been sexually assaulted, which started to eliminate more motives, but it doesn't completely rule out a sexual motive. The doctor said in his report that the mutilation strongly indicated the attacker was displaying fetish tight behavior but that was it. He didn't go into any further detail. The only other major things noted in the report where that the doctor found and collected several small hairs on Stacy's body these here's were very short like the size of chest hair pubic hair. They were in stacy's mouth, the wounds that our chest and neck and honor fingertips and inner fingernails. Now, stations didn't have short hairs like. She had shoulder length hair. So whoever they belong to was likely killer. The SBA had a lot of interest in these hairs and they retrieved the samples right away and combined with all of the evidence from the apartment they planned on testing for DNA. But we're talking nineteen ninety here. DNA testing was still in its infancy. The SBA I knew they weren't going to get the results back for a while like probably a few months at least. So in the meantime, they had to come up with a suspect anyone they thought could be involved. To do that FBI focused heavily on the crime scene itself and not just the evidence found in the living room, but with the rest of the apartment was telling them. Dennis had found no traces of blood in either of the two bedrooms in Stacy's apartment, the rooms were messy with clothing strewn about but nothing showed there had been any kind of struggle in those areas. The only thing missing from Stacy's bedroom was your mattress with clearly she moved into the living room at some point. Investigators. New. Dennis. Had found bloodstains several fingerprints in the bathroom and kitchen these blood smears work at the top of the bathroom sink in the basin and they had dripped onto items in the trash can. Scattered among clutter and booze in the kitchen. He'd found blood on a table and on a paper towel in the trash can. It was clear. Whoever killed stacy had attempted to clean up both in the kitchen and in the bathroom they left smudges of blood wherever their hands or arms touched, which even included the doorframes. All of the clutter, the cups, the cigarettes, and various types of beer brands and vodka laying around indicated to the FBI that multiple people have been in Stacy's apartment in the last twenty four hours. Agents notice that stacy's pocketbook and wallet were sitting at the kitchen table again, not something that would still be around her killer wanted to rob her. Something else on that table, which seemed Erie was a bunch of construction tools, a hammer screwdriver pliers, and a ruler. The only thing missing from the collection was a knife. Just like in the hallway, the kitchen wall had a patch of missing sheet rock. It looked like work was in the middle of being done but had just stopped. Nowhere in the house was there any kind of thin knife or box cutter something you'd expect a sheet rock installer to us. Next. To these tools were some unpaid bills and strangely cards and mail addressed to a person named Mike Brandon. Now as far as police have been told up until this point, stacy lived alone. But this Mike Guy Receiving mail at her apartment only met one thing he had to know her and know her well. Police needed to talk with him but right when they head out to track him down, he actually comes to them. And points the finger at a completely unexpected suspect not to be ugly but we are in the south and he was pretty quickly picked as the only person that had nothing to back themselves up. They me questions. About stasis falls the last time I saw and I saw last night. Next time on counterclockwise. Be Sure to follow counter clock on social media and subscribe on Apple Podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Counter clock is an audio chuck. Show. Ashley Flowers is the executive producer and all reporting and hosting is done by me dealing your dam.

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Let's say you have reached a point in life now where you can look back, hindsight is twenty twenty and you look back and real. Oh, yeah! Yeah, that's that. Did it scare them off? That was on me in that case. Maybe. It's time you thought. One what is his problem? Then back and realized it was. It was me I was I was the fault in that one? So we? Mentioned this earlier and our friend lexuses here and you have a pretty unbelievable example of scaring a guy off. Yeah, how long these people been dating! You know so. They had probably been dating or maybe three or four months I would say it's still a relatively new relationship. Yeah, okay. and they got into an argument and one of my my friend. That's was dating. The Guy got so mad. It was like so dramatic that she started scratching. Like just scratching blood coming out skin under nails. was like what the heck. Just lost it. Big of a meltdown like she like almost like possessed a little bit right. Yeah, so if you're a guy and you're standing there and first after three months your first real argument with someone your disagreement, and she begins to claw, not scratch claw her neck until blood comes out. Yeah. That's frightening. And he's I don't need disk because anything like this going forward. It's going to be bad. I have a friend that got so upset in an argument that he started hitting himself in the head, and his ring cut is made him start bleeding right there in the middle of the argument. Or is he puts his ring opened up his head. Cycle Yeah. But I mean he was married so. who wasn't Harry scared somebody off in the beginning of relationship and shockingly he's not married now, but somebody else wants to marry him. COULD BE A. We'll let you figure it out, get. So, think about it this way. It could be something you said it could be something you did, but now that it's over, you can look back and say. That's when I scared him off. Everything was good. Until. 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I understand him being scared, but his reaction is ridiculous and I can't believe she would have gotten out of the car animus. Please met a guy on tender. First Date told him that I had not only googled him, but also checked his driving record, because I worked at the DMV at the time. Long Story Short, he made her then get out of a car. They were an hour from her place. And she she never heard from him again. So she worked at the DMV and checked his driving record, and then you know naturally googled him and she told him all this stuff. And he made her get out of the car and I pull pull over here to get out, not taking young. Then that's not cool. I don't think by any stretch of the imagination or was it when he went to pick her up. and. She said I work at the DMV. Have a seat I'll be with you in a couple of hours. That's why he fled. Is that too much to admit I assume the Google, but is it too much which she says that she used her job to check up on you yeah, like that's an invasion of your privacy. Is it completely? She said I just. You know I'm not supposed to, but I worked at the bank and I looked up your account. You're doing good. That's what I. I was saying I would be. There's no way I would go out with that person again and if you did do that, don't tell them that you did that. Just keep that information to yourself. This girl said about eight years ago. I started talking to this guy on facebook. We were talking for a few weeks and sending funny memes to each other and I sent this one. And he just stopped talking to me. I didn't understand why, but when I. was talking to one of my friends in show to the message. She said I. Bet he thinks that, was you. I didn't think it looked anything like me at all. So out of send him a message and ask him if he thought that the picture in the name. Was Me and he said yes I, thought that, was you? It doesn't look anything like me at all, but that was the moment that he stopped talking to me. And it to me and the woman's wearing a bra An- The meme. The picture of the woman's wearing a bra over her face, covering her eyes. And it says I'm a fruit. Fly! Now I would get that and think it's Kinda funny. I that's kind of funny. We are, but he looked at it like yeah, she's a Weirdo. It scared me off it. It's a little too much for me. one, lady just said scared him off by wanting a relationship. Here's another another one of those baby ones. One time seeing a guy, and during our first week of dating I mentioned that already had baby names picked out. I'd had the I had the names for several years, but I guess he thought I was trying to send him a message that I was ready for kids with him, and he ghosted me. Oh. Yeah I mean unless unless her one of her. The name she had picked out was his name junior. Think. There was a little bit of an overreaction there. I had already got my baby names. A firstborn is gonNA be Riggins Junior. Check please. I had been dating a guy for a couple of months, and after he went out with his friends and I went out with my friends I tried to text and he never responded. I texted a few more times in parentheses five. And then in my drunken state decided, he was obviously cheating on me so uber to his apartment to start banging on the door. He was passed out inside alone from having party with his friends. But he did not appreciate my drunken rant at three. You Yeah. Come on. We'll him is a Fu. was scared off, or did he just assess the situation? Realize? Yeah, this is gonNA, be bad. Hassle, because there is a difference like maybe if you start mentioning baby names in the first week. That's that's scaring a guy off. But, if you do something ridiculous, that shows your lunatic. I guess it could be the Khlong your net girl. Yeah, that would scare me off, but if you just show up banging on his door acting like a crazy person at three o'clock in the morning is he scared? Does he realize understandably? This person's a lunatic. Yeah probably not scared just not going to deal with that. But somebody said in the beginning of a relationship or something like that. There is an amount of hot that will trump being scared. That's true I agree with that. I'm not saying that none of these ladies was hot. Because I didn't even say that. Yeah, somebody said that in a in a dim the DM. I didn't say. How dare that person. It's not accurate at all. definitely yeah, it's definitely accurate. The ACE and TJ show. Okay Rigas just gotten himself worked up at the thought of doing something. Nobody's asked him to do it. He just knows that this exists and just the thought of doing. It has upset Him. Let Him. Go off. 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That's what it is. It's walking out into the kitchen shirt, and we'll see my underwear and go right for that. Baggers Ready Cheese and Claw over my face and just poured in keeping the fridge fridge. Sprinkler like the Salt Bay just. What kind like whatever whatever cut? Party, party. Cheese! Is A little bit everything some shredded Cheddar ever minus of trail mix. Yeah, I mean. The kind that has eminem and raisins and peanuts in it. makes it olive or better than that? Some Cajun trail mix, which is spicy. Like a cub heroin addict with it, yeah! Kitchen. Glass of water some trail via. The Look So. We'll do that in thirty minutes on the Jeff. Shaw Okay Regan's. What is it that got you funk just from hearing about an event this the thought of it. There's a nightclub in the Netherlands that is trying to respect the the rules that they have in the country about social distancing stuff, so they've reopened. They're going to have DJ's come in and do twenty minute sets, but everybody comes in and attends. The concerts have to dance, but while sitting in chairs six feet apart, we have to sit and have to sit. But dance exactly like you can dance, but you have to be seated. That's the way they're getting around the rules and I mean. I would rather jump into an active volcano. Then go to the Netherlands to sit in a dance club with a bunch of other. Nether whatever you call them near the region Nether regions sitting in a chair, armed dancing like a fool a fool. Yeah, I wouldn't want to attend that either, but I will say I'm a much better. seated dancer than Standing Harvey. Yeah. I mean Gimme a break. You can go to Amsterdam and get absolutely roasted in coffee shops, and you're going to go to a twelve dollar concert for a Norwegian. Dj while dancing in your chair. Shoot me, I mean really please shoot I would rather do that than to do. The actual thought of that has gotten you upset. Yepes of of you having to do it or the. Are Dumb enough to do it. No like I. Get. People have different interests and stuff. I'm just saying for me like I. would rather you know be attacked by a police, canine or something like crazy? Would you rather go to Destination Wedding of your girlfriend's friend. Now you're now. This is a real good question. I would rather. Know I'd rather go to the nightclub. Really. That's going to a destination wedding for girlfriend's friend who I don't even really like in the first place. Is, way worse. Absolutely. Absolutely even though the destination probably put you in some really cool place with a nice resort. Stuff I'm with people I. Don't really like and stuck there. Wounds stuck there. Probably, like having joined like the pre wedding dodgeball team. Broke you out into the blue team in the red team, I was at a wedding like that. They're like you're on the blue. Team I bet not. By show up on the blue team. Play your kickball tournament. Thirty. Get A job. Like you guys have a lot of time to kill. It seems like. That was their wedding. That's what they want you to. Come to the wedding whatever. Thought. Exactly Psych. kickball shot up. Like. It's really irritate I gotTA. Chill out because like my blood. Pressure is high when I talk about that. So you didn't didn't eventually. You did not even go attend the kickball game. No, I went to the wedding. I did not go to the pre wedding. Bobbing for apples and group kickball tournament. Shot Up. Everybody apples bobbing for apples. Yeah, stop! All right I'm GONNA take a wild guess here. Why be white. Coming up on now trending with brigands. Some drama broke out and revolves around Takashi six nine and Nicki Menaj yesterday, and it was wonderful drama details, and now trending in less than ten minutes. This is. TJ Show more. 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Eleventh is national German chocolate cake day. That's my mom's favorite dessert. A good cake. Lot of chocolate was delicious, and that's like the coconut in. It maybe coconut something whatever they call that still though it's very good I like it, but I think about Tj because he'd like those too much chocolate. And I don't like any coconut, and you don't really like coconut. I, like coconut flavor I don't like the actual cocoa nut the the strings. I've got a problem with the nut itself. So it is today. Ladies Enjoy yesterday. You might have seen Nicki Menaj as the top trending topic in the afternoon. That's because she's got a new song with a very controversial figure Takashi six nine, who is known as a snitch in the hip hop community as well as across the country. People look at him as an informant rather than a rapper at this point, but mostly just an Internet troll, but they've got a new song coming out I. Think it's supposed to be released at midnight. It's called trolls, which is kinda young cheek, so people are ripping her for you know. Working with somebody WHO'S A. Snatching you think it will have any profanity. I, don't think it'll be. Profanity laced hope. They keep it clean on this one. I'm sure they will I'm sure they will new. Yorkers are feeling a lot of survivor's guilt because a lot of people that live in the boroughs and in the city. left New, York in March one. The pandemic happened they all went to their second homes, or they came to the south to avoid it and now they're feeling a lot of guilt about that because they left their city so another. You don't think so. They just say that, so people won't come after them, but why? That makes sense. If you have the opportunity to leave a place hotspot, why would you not leave? Of course it's just like. In a Bill Gates runs around talking about how. it's a shame I don't pay more taxes. Right you know just so people will stay off of him. You're free to pay as much taxes you want. No, if you want to pay more taxes, pay them. Go, but you know it keeps the wolves at bay. Things we feel terrible about that. Sure and ladies. I got some great advice for you. If you want your boyfriend to be lock and key for the foreseeable future, make plans to buy the PS. Five set to be announced today. expected price five, ninety, nine little expensive It's coming out around the same time. The new xbox that's called the xbox series X. that's a mouthful. They're thinking. That's going to be about four ninety nine, so about one hundred dollars more. But it's going to be best gaming system you probably. When are they do APP? Holiday season I? Don't know if they'd give an exact. I saw it was trending yesterday, and asked my son, and he said Christmas that seems like a long way to wait. Yeah, it is but ladies I mean. The ultimate present to get your boyfriend. All the. Hey! Yeah TJ always points out when a guy gets his girlfriend or wife a very nice gift, it usually buys him. How much time? Of Being Nice Jam. I'd say. Two three days maybe two three days. How much will the woman get out of the guy if she buys them? The new PS five I'm thinking much longer than that well, you count the lack of communication because he'll be playing the PS five all the time as being a positive There's a lot of time. You may not speak you for three months. But maybe you want that? That's I think that's why they would get that for the guy, so he leave him alone. Go do something here you go. I'm going to go do Meiping and while five ninety nine sounds like a lot of money. That's what I mean. If you were to get her a nice I. Don't know bag or something. That's going to be probably around that now if you are a lady. Complains because your guy spends too much time playing video games, and you get him this then you're what we call an enabler. Yes. I mean you know if he were an alcoholic? You wouldn't go get him a bottle of wine. Right you know no. Add to the problem. Rob's going. Shut up home a girlfriend Balmy then. Virtual, reality or rob may already have. It probably already has the fast track to that stuff the inside track. His house just buzzing with all the electricity like running through the game systems in there. It's real hot. Steamy. What is the Go-to midnight snack for you? Simple question? We'll get to it in less than ten minutes. And always in Tj show graphics and Web Design are done by Alpha. Lab designs looking for spectacular email design at Ace TJ dot, com web design menus, marketing materials, brochures, flyers, social media, ads, and more design at a TJ dot com somewhere out there there's a man on a park bench eating his five hundredth PB and J. He has no idea papa. John's has. Has New Papa D.? Is that are way better than a boring sandwich with Papa? John's best meats, cheeses and veggies hand folded into crispy flat bread crust tone better tell that man get a new party. One of four flavors for just six bucks better ingredients better pizza better than a Sandwich Papa John's not valid with this country's and taxes at your prices may vary. Time to get to know the TJ show riggins. Do take a couple of GB reps watch from Spongebob. On Dvd I've got season three through seven. If you WANNA shell and hang out. This is the TJ show. As really simple question because I was thinking about the other night I hate already eaten dinner last. Saturday night. Hate eating dinner and it was around one o'clock in the morning and I was like. I got a little. A little. I could have a little taste of something i. don't know what so I went to the refrigerator and I didn't have a lot which has gone. The story of my life didn't have a lot of food in the refrigerator, but I did have some I think they call it Mexican blend cheese. Little? Bit of Monterey Jack a little bit of chatter little. Another Jeez I'm. What the third cheeses in the three cheese Mexican blend, but I stood there in my underwear, and not shirt, and I opened the bag of a Mexican cheese and. Held over my head and sprinkled it right into my mouth. And I was good. I was satisfied a little midnight snack. So, what is your ultimate Goto midnight snack I? Don't crave sweets like that's just never been my thing. I like candy and stuff, but when I when I want a snack. Yeah, I don't think. Cereal chocolate. You know. I want along the same triggers, chips and salsa chips and saw a trail mix some sorted like One of the grocery stores here in our area puts out this Cajun spice mix and. That's phenomenal. I love crunchy. Not Yes, yes, yes. Yeah that kind of stuff? Maybe half a sandwich still in the fridge. Yeah, listen. Maybe he opened up some leftovers, and that bad boy like well. Who Left Spaghetti and meatball? Heat that up one people yeah, that's exactly the midnight staff. So what is your ultimate Goto midnight snack? This is kind of embarrassing. Mine is duck all wrong. Duck Allah wrong. I know. Gluttony. You just whip that up in the wee hours. What is that? Duck with an ARIN SAUCE labranche, yeah! A little twitter said cereal. Yeah okay. That wouldn't be mine but I. Hold true for a lot of people. Alexis de everyone actually have a drawer next to my bed. That has snacks and. Role, it's a whole drawer. Dedicated to snacks have right now currently salt and vinegar chips and there I have honey barbecue in have a kit Kat bar. If. One didn't no one would think that you partake in the marijuana gone. Emergency Snack Georgia and Rob Do you have one on weekends? If I'm up past eleven o'clock I'll Cook Up Tinos Party pizza. Cheese. Extra judges than ever have enough on on those pieces. That's excellent. That's excellent. Pizza yeah screw. There's no party going on. That's what starts the party. The party started. If I'm a past eleven. So it's easy simple. What is your ultimate Goto midnight? Snack mb specific like? Good, but tell us what kind of cereal and milk whole milk, whatever, yeah, because if you're after midnight near deciding to have you know the cheerios are some healthy cereal like bran, flakes or something special k. Getting you're having if you're having you know cocoa puffs. I mean at. Our frontiers frozen whip cream relayed like cool whip. Out of the TUB or something. Good for you, I love it. I like the way when we hit something that everybody likes. The volume level comes down show yeah! Spoon and just goes in I. Love that anything. You can also take back to the bed. Laid, the bed, like with a big Tub of it is I'm going to finish this off, right? Oh, so be specific. It can be anything your ultimate goto midnight snack at the stj shelves. Get your answers in less than ten minutes. TJ Off Hey, it's going and I wanNA. Make sure you know about the Hampton Inn and suites South Park in the completely renovated lobby, fitness and breakfast areas just call seven, zero, four, three, one, nine, fifty, seven, hundred to book your reservation or newly designed conference room that seven Oh four, three, one, nine, fifty, seven, hundred. When you look at your current bathroom. Do you know that it needs an immediate update? We want you to know about one day bath and shower remodeling with prices as low as one hundred ninety nine dollars per month, call, eight, hundred, nine, four, eight, five, seven, four, nine, eight, hundred, nine, four, eight, five, seven, four nine. TJ. You guys are really going for we asked. What is your ultimate? Go to. MIDNIGHT SNACK! And there are some usual suspects. Double stuffed oreos. peanut, butter and Jelly. But I think by far. The standout comes from. A person named Holland. Essay Vanilla bean ice cream with a toasted chocolate fudge pop tart for scooping up the ice cream. Do they use that? As the spoon pop tart the spoon dumb. That, they heat up. I'm hosted. I never thought about using pop tart in that way dipping it in the ice cream. That's great chocolate pop tart, getting a little little heat on it, then using that as the spoon for the ice cream. Snack! Yeah, that's exactly right. Yep. Cinnamon Toast crunch with whole milk, obviously I mean! Lot of Vienna sausages comments, which never had, but they never seen that happen is A. Few never had a Vienna sausage. Just imagine it's a an authentic taste of Italy. Mambo Tahiliani. A lot of Doritos seems to show up a lot. Yeah, there's a guy here, that says. I love cool ranch Doritos, but they make too much of a crunching sound, and if my wife wakes up to find me eating a midnight snack, it's not good. So I stick to things like cream and. Meat from dinner. Yeah, Tillamook Cookies and ice cream amok, cookies and ice cream ice cream. He says he also loves beer in the CAN, but it's too loud to keep, so he keeps them too loud, so he keeps a few twist off camera. You know what else make a loud crunching sound when she really squeezes them. So. He can't have the the the delicious doritos that he loves. Who Does the very best? And he can't have beer in the can like. Prefers because both of which would make too much noise when he opened it, and if she wakes up and finds him eating, she'll be upset. A beaten man! Let him live. Yeah, you know what else makes a crunching sound, the sound of the marriage certificate as crumpled up with trachsel. Golly that poor guy. Here's go into. His own good. Is there a picture of him? Maybe he's unhealthy and she's trying to. Know. She is trying to let him live Regan's. Yet past tomorrow it's a picture of his face, but it's. It looks like he's fun. There's lady here that says her midnight snack. Either a peanut butter sandwich glass of chocolate milk, but she points out. It's chocolate made with Hershey's chocolate syrup. Where you yeah, you put that right note, no quick or anything like that. No powder just straight into the things up or A really big bowl of cinnamon toast crunch. They sell. It already made us chocolate milk. You can get a Pre med. Is that what you're saying? You can't get it premade because it's already made. Made in. Why did you go? Her she's. Making their own. I mean that's like they do with the shelter is. Yeah I guess. Against That is the best type of chocolate milk ever to. You put the substrate, and they're like that and use a spoon. Startup ought so good use a hand mixer for. No. That's good. was that just a mix up the chocolate syrup and milk Makes it frostier and gets it more blended Oh then just. When a spoon and You don't have a quick wrist. I mean just settle back down on the bottom. It's right. Yeah get a hand mixer and do it. I mean. A lot of trouble at midnight I'm GONNA get into. Trouble. It's a hand mixer as I mean somebody comes right behind you to clean it up. Oh, yeah, sorry for somebody. Come right behind me up. You BOOB. If you're looking for high quality, hair and skin products shop monnet products at our friend site Rhonda Thurmond Dot my mind at dot. Com Experience Your Y. Rhonda Thurman Dot. Dot Com you'll love clothing from our friends. At two two tulips dot com collections include dresses, accessories, Mommy, and me and more get ten percent off right now at two tulips dot com again. That's two tulips dot com. Now. This is my favorite story of the day. Kami crazy. Kooky go nuts. But it is. A politician in Taiwan. and. He made one of those good natured political bets with somebody else. You know how the mayors of each super bowl team will bet each other, and whoever wins the game. The other one has to do something you know like you got to. Seattle wins. You gotta come here and eat our seafood, or whatever, and if Houston wins, you gotta come eat barbecue here. That kind of thing is along those lines, so he bet this He bet that a mayor candidate wouldn't get more than four hundred thousand votes. many lost the bat. So! This so silly and Goofy! All he had to do was break fifty-three chopsticks and put them in his book. We get out of. The world last. Kiss their politics. You know it's different there. So the the losing loser of the Bat broke fifty three chopsticks with his book. We broke broken when they put a burden in the bud and broken. Oh Yeah. Yeah. Yeah? I guess I said that right? You didn't actually feed them to his yeah. How do you even do that? I don't know yeah that's I don't ever done it. Here's a here's a healthy portion of a Texas barbecue. Because new, England beat Houston in the Super Bowl, or whatever you wearing our Jersey Yeah I. Know they're both in the AFC searching for teams at the moment. For somebody they can't do, are both in the AFC got it. They need to follow this model, but no. We're going to up the ante. fifty-three chopsticks in your, but break him. Well I mean Regan's picture. It looks like he's just squeezing him to break them right that no pants on I mean. How does the? Cameras I don't remember who. Kansas City play the super bowl last year. I'm drawn a blank. who wasn't Kansas City who the Patriots are? No, no! Kansas City in Kansas City, but I can't remember. Anyway. Can you imagine? The mayor of Kansas City on television, and they're talking about at the game forty niners San. Francisco Okay can you imagine at the game or having a serious conversation and don't forget big bat between the mayor's? They have Kansas City. Bet The mayor of San Francisco that. The loser has to break fifty two chopsticks and there. Okay video. But then again they fight a lot in their like their parliament. They fight their congress. They fight all the time. They throw desks and chairs and shoes, and all that kind of stuff. It's pretty routine I think over this. Is he squeezing it until it breaks? He's like he's. He's squatting down and then breaking them on the way up. It looks like so. and they've got cameras I. Mean This guy is an. was running to be the mayor. Is the maze of City Council Calvin. Think! Yeah like a Cornhole, tournament or something I. Don't know. Maybe that's what they call it. Didn't get enough for more. Give the Act J. APP. It's connected funny. All Material Copyright Two Thousand Twenty Eight Hundred Incorporate WanNa save up to seventy five percent on domestic or international airline tickets then call low cost airlines for prices so low. We can't publish or call eight, hundred, two, eight, seven, forty, seven, sixteen, eight, hundred, two, eight, seven, forty, seven, sixteen.

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Spiny Female Penises, Goth Girl Summer, Hardcore Flamingoes

The Weirdest Thing I Learned This Week

46:44 min | 1 year ago

Spiny Female Penises, Goth Girl Summer, Hardcore Flamingoes

"He weirdoes it's Rachel and I'm here with us and we it just has been on the other side of the microphone too long and we're here for a very special promised bonus episode while we continue to prep for season three three which is coming to you on September twenty fifth a Wednesday obviously the best Wednesday of September. I would argue so we will wake you up up. When September ends with we're seeing season three but in the meantime we are here to share some facts that you shared via voice message before we get into it just a reminder of what voice messages are so we make this podcast using an APP called anchor and it's great and we love it and if you're interested in making a podcast you should check it out but even if you're not interested in making a podcast you should check out the anchor APP or website because when you go to the weirdest things bash board you are able to send US voice messages. They can be up to sixty seconds long and you can say whatever you want. This one is a personal favorite of mine. Hey guys. Did you actually get these messages. I find your show really good. I'm from Mexico and I just wanted to let you guys. I know that you got you guys got. Some listeners down here and you guys are pretty cool. I would love to hang out with guys sometime. Oh my God we WanNa want to hang out with you same absolutely same so yeah you can send us all sorts of voice messages. You can send us ideas or facts for an episode like the one you're about to hear or you can just send US messages about how we're cool and you. WanNa hang out. I love that or you could leave those in five star apple reviews justice notting just not how it is for us to get five star apple reviews crucial. Here's the thing though even if you don't listen to the weirdest thing I learned this week on on Apple. Leaving a five star review helps US Algorithm Mickley. It means more reader see the show with US gearing up for season three especially really important because we really want to have the best shot of reaching as many weird wonderful people as possible the more people listen the more support we get for the show show the more able we are to do things like I don't know maybe have a live show somewhere other than New York City what an idea you can make it happen by leaving a five star Dr Rubio and Apple Wow so much power and one more very important thing you can do via voice message or on twitter at weirdest underscore thing or on our secret facebook group which you can find by searching weirdest thing on facebook or in a five star apple reveal. What can you do in all of those locations. I'll tell you what jess you can leave question for me for you for anyone on weirdest thing so if you have questions about like how we make the podcast what we do when we're hang out and singing karaoke together favorite snacks yeah those are all questions. I can think of asking anyone but that's why it's it's not my job to come up with questions for the Q. and A. It's my job to come up with answers so please send us your Cuny Questions Asap because we I would love to have some fun teaching you. The weirdest things there are to know about us all right with all that housekeeping out of the way I'm going to start by reading a couple of our favorite five-star reviews. I will pepper these throughout our episode. Don't worry we are getting too weird facts and if you sent one in it's probably about to be played. Hopefully you fact checked it. I because I sure did okay so still weird left us to review titled. I miss you and by the way you're amazing saying hi you don't know me but I love you not in a creepy way but in a listening to your podcasts save me through my commute from Hell yes science. Yes could journalism awesome. Yes girl power kind of way. Oh my God so please keep the episodes coming but also enjoy your break because Hashtag self-care love Weirdo for live. It's a while. Yes hashtag healthcare indeed the same to you still weird the same to you. I love you and not in a creepy way but in a yeah Hashtag self-care Conway definitely really aiming Leyla says delightful. I just finished the last episode from the first season meaning. I am officially caught up. I feel both a sad at an empty and be stoked delight and horrify people at cocktail parties but I might have to listen to a few highlights before my next get together so I don't accidentally tell a story about a woman who's head exploded in the Parthenon while giving birth to rabbits. My memory isn't the best must be all the cocktails. I feel you girl wow definitely been there are so much emotion packed into that yeah. I feel deep connection to everyone who listens to this show but especially the people leaves five star reviews on Apple podcasts big time so okay now. We're going to get started with some of our listener facts. I have heard these to make sure that they are in fact facts. Just has not heard them so. I'm in the dark here. We go hi there. This is Brandon mullins a teacher done here in clearwater Florida. I had a weird fact that I had always told people was true who and I remember reading about a long time ago but I bet there's more to it than I know I come from the Animal Husbandry World I had talked with some colleagues or read an article talk about a gentleman in Baltimore that had trained one or two ravens to pick up loose change and those ravens within didn't take that loose change into a special made vending machine that would dispense raven food and because there are social animal they would then teach other ravens how to do it and so this gentleman in Baltimore ended up making tens of thousands of dollars off of a you know colony of Ravens that all talk each other how to go find change all over the the city. I thought that was interesting in that would love to hear more about it if you know if that's true or not thanks. Oh my God so I did some googling and at First Baltimore two more Ravens did not turn up any of the stories I wanted to Luckily I'm a champion Google. Yes all of the sports sports yet and so it turns out this was actually in Brooklyn using Cros so this guy named Josh Klein who is like a hacker a maker a writer he'd potty trained his cat which thing you can do totally and another thing you can do because you can do it on the Sims also ins to nothing nothing on this is fake correct also wearing learned how you make babies yes doing maybe it can be made in bed Ed in the shower and of list correct so Josh Klein potty trained and inspired by the mess of Pesky crows in his native Seattle which which some people were talking about figuring out how to exterminate he started wondering how you could put them to work and so he decided to train them he built a vending machine designed to dispense. It's peanuts which grows like to eat oh and so he started by giving them coins peanuts and access to the vending machine and then in a second stage he gave them only coins without the peanuts and they would bang them on the machine in frustration then he rigged the machine to dispense a peanut as a reward for each coin which they learned how to do because crows are very very smart and then he did a final step where they got nothing but he like strew the coins around near the machine and end crows are smart enough that they were like get to pick a coin put it in the machine get for peanut and but then there was all this controversy because according to Kline The New York Times wrote a really shoddy article and then when they had to correct some of the details they like overcorrected and implied that he'd lied to them and his whole experiment experiment was made up. Oh and I I would have to do a bit deeper. Dive to really you know come out one way or the other but there are a a lot of articles about this experiment that have not had corrections rotten saying that it didn't happen so either a lot of outlets never bothered to correct their fraudulent Roland articles or he did indeed train some crows to do something with the vending machine so as far as I can tell never actually used this to like make tens of thousands of dollars in St Change at he did release a open source platform called Crow Box. It's basically the original bird box so it's basically like the basic instructions you need to build a contraption and then train crows to deposit a particular thing in it sure so they're like they could pick up trash. They could get spare coin aliens but I couldn't find anything. Actually reporting like successful use cases yeah but I like all of the components of the experiment are very believable because crows are incredibly smart and great at using tools so yeah this is fascinating and I will definitely work on finding more on it yeah. I'm also like imagining engineering a kind of miniature vending machine like like an incredibly cute image yeah adorable yeah and we actually have a second one from the same Weirdo so let's get into that now hi there. This is Brandon mullins from the clearwater Florida area. I'm a science teacher down here. I had read a while ago that bedbugs reproduced use by something called traumatic insemination which is essentially where a impregnate the female bug by stabbing them anywhere. They're on their body with their reproductive organs. I thought that was interesting and I wondered if this is a successful way of reproduction also what other animals a US something like that anyway. Thank you for what you do. I really enjoy your podcast. Thank you for what you do Brandon. The children are our future so I don't know how things are down in clearwater but as I have to say. Is it a successful reproductive strategy. Unfortunately yeah have you ever had. I haven't but I we know so many people who Sam and like it's yes or no. I was just GonNa say I always think of the broad city episode where they dislike literally have breakdowns and life all their clothes in garbage or like in the oven right it makes me so upset and not because of the whole Yuck bedbugs testimony should definitely get rid of it happens because people are thirty but it upsets me because I think about like having to do that much work to make my possessions safe again and like I just can't sit down and tie literally say let the bed bugs. Take me like I surrender to you but yes they do use something called traumatic insemination. females have sperm receptacles where the sperm can then migrate to the over and what's interesting is that there is a functional genital tract but it's only the only use it for laying fertilized egg hitting me. They always get impaled again and so some depending on the species of Bedbug they can be that sometimes the receptacles are like visible outside I and so the male bed stabs there specifically others. They are not visible so that's the ones where they just do random stabbing. My sounds very not great. also one fact. I've found is that male bed bugs have evolved receptors on their pokey bits. If you will the scientific term term I will and after impaling a female they can they can taste inequality taste if a female has been recently made it and if the if they take note of the presence of of another male they will not copulate as long and ejaculate less fluid be like what's what's the plate bother as to whether or not there other instances of this in the animal kingdom there are but all like very tiny things like Reuters which is the group that atwater bears are in terms fruit flies and these are all like not all of the species in this category do this apparently with fruit flies. They will stab through the body wall into the genital tract. That's one way to their flat. Worms have something called penis fencing so that's exciting there's some spiders and sea slugs. This is just great. I'm going to read this. They'll make repeated small injections into the DORSAL surface of their meat interrupted by synchronized circling movements culminating in standard general insemination so sometimes traumatic insemination can just just before play. What purpose does it serve. I don't know but just stab. It certainly stab stab poetic so yeah. That's everything I have to say about that so this is already so much yup okay. Here's let's get one more before we go to a break cool. This is Ian. Phd Plant Science my weird fact to share with the world is the sea grasses like those in the genus Sarah used to live on land or at least close to land and they did the reverse evolutionary trend of algae colonized fresh water and then eventually became terrestrial plants and we're floor flowering plants that move from land fresh water water back into the ocean and now are an important global ecosystem. I love that is true. There algae that migrated back to the C. Like seventy five to one hundred million years ago putting what I found because all life originated from undersea totally and was that a Sebastian Sebastian voice than some of it went back. You know you have like your standard. Fish that are just they've been there. but Benny Mammals in the water had to come to land and then make a return. It's funny because one time I was in Hawaii on a beautiful beach and I may have you've been on a substance. Was it pizza. I won't say I got very emotional and spent like forty five minutes floating in the water talking about how amazing it is though Wales emerged from the and then return into the sea came back to the sea so anyway in I also find the SEAGRASS really beautiful Aquarius. Yes I am but see but Rick's complete besides love crying about ocean but yeah I think that the like weird evolutionary trajectory of the tree of life as a whole is so fascinating it really is and when you look at whale evolution I was looking at a picture of it to remind myself before we got to the studio and you've got all of these things that look like like little like Awkward Little Pops becoming Wales and then you have the one line at the top that just shoot straight out to the Hippo Oak prudhoe wellbeing like go back to the water but not too far okay. We're GONNA take a break and then we'll be right back with more of your facts this episode of the weirdest thing I learned this week is brought to you by popular. Scientists took athlon from the tech team at popular. Look Science magazine is a Tech News podcast with a twist a weekly show that catches you up on the latest. 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I'm more of a sport perfect pair. Then we have Sadie to Sassy quenching my science thirst being someone with a biology background who works in accounting. My Science Brain is dying of thirst. This podcast is a cool drink of water bringing. My poor shriveled science brain back to life. I also like to share snippets with my co workers. Who probably don't care of this podcast Sadie. Your Co workers do care they must they must you're doing great work. Good luck with your hydration. It's very important hashtags healthcare. Yes Hashtag self-care okay now. He's got some more facts heights betsy from Massachusetts. I learned today that elephants are the only animal that cannot jump trump. Also fleas can jump three hundred fifty times birther length. Yes so looking into this some really interesting staff if it's not one hundred percent so it is commonly said that elephants are the only mammals that can't jam even that there's like a little more to it. They may do a little hop so I think baby baby. Elephants can jump share can they can. They're more spry but if if your definition of a jump is like an upward movement were none of your feet are on the ground. Elephants cannot do that because they are very heavy. It makes sense as Volusia trade off because like jumping thing is an evasive move if you're not like a Predator and elephants are too big to get their bodies off the ground that way but also because they're that big they can lift like one of their feet and be like go away yeah yeah then there's some other animals like hippos also can't shoot themselves up off the ground but they can according to one source. I was reading these animals ten run in ways that get all four their feet. They can like gala. I was GonNa say Gal a nice horsey hippo gala so again. It's like what is it very complex and then there are non mammals definitely cannot jump for example sneak can lunch but a sneak can't like hoisted and thinking to do that made me really happy made me think of that viral python whose name it was forget you my favorite yeah there. Is this great video of him the door oh so. I feel like he probably tried to jump every day of his life and just never quite do it. It also like have you ever seen a an earthworm job now. These are all good questions yes so lake. There are a lot of animals that can't jump because of how they exist by staying stuck to the ground where their body is the tube but they have their own kinds of invasive maneuvers and it's all okay then. I believe we have another one from from betsy high. It's betsy from Massachusetts. I learned today. The flamingos can drink uh water boiling point. Oh yeah so this is another one that I thought was so fascinating and again. There is a little bit of a correction may care but it's so oh fascinating so some species flamingos live in the super salty lakes that are hostile to most life and they rely on their really tough skin and scales else to prevent burns on their feet and legs oh the very like tough bird's avenue hardy and so they can drink water at near Boiling Point Lien which like I you know we could quibble about boiling point but I can't drink water in near boiling point. Yeah I guess I could but I would be really unhappy an ice suave drinker a room temperature water actually liked drinking hot water like hot yeah like I. I Love A. T. Temperature water just like doc in my thermos. That's a hot take. I don't know why do I find it. Soothing I guess so yet. They can drink this hot water so that they can take advantage of fresh water geysers. Here's because the leaks they're living in very salty for drinking and they also have glands in their head to remove the salt ruined drainage nasal county like a built-in Nettie Pie way God Flamingo's the clear sinuses in the Animal Kingdom. Here's one from another Rachel. I don't believe in that but you know whatever live your life hi guys my name is. Rachel and and I have the weirdest fact for you. My weird is fact. Is that the giant Canadian goose was thought to be extinct and then the nineteen fifties they experimented and successfully brought it back. Isn't that nuts I thought so too okay bye other h o o other. Rachel twenty three seconds. I'm impressed where impressed to got jess. Thank you other Rachel. Shaw Yeah so apparently the did think the giant Canada goose was extinct in the nineteen fifties and then they found a small population in Rochester in Minnesota were able to identify them as indeed being giant Canada geese not some other manner. There were large. They were just hiding away. Yeah Yeah and the subspecies numbers have gone up so now you you can find them in parks and other urban areas wow. I had no idea that we leap thought they'd gone extinct. That was used to me the regular goose like or is it the giant version yes drank Canada. Goose is a subspecies of Canada the goose. It is the largest sub-species boys they. They are indeed. It's often mistaken for office Canada Goose Oh but they have a lower call and a larger bill to body size ratio just a little thicker yeah. Oh this is really cool one. My name is Kayla. A mirror talked is about the unsung Heroes House nine scientists at died sixteen rooms full of food so short begins with the siege of Leningrad that lasted over nine hundred days and accounted wanted for thousands hundreds of thousands of different casualties because of starvation so these eight scientists were protecting sixteen rooms full of over two hundred thousand different varieties of seeds because they knew that the disappearance plant diversity was a huge danger to the way we grow food so although although they could have been saved by the very seats regarding they chose rather to invest in our future rather than looking to their present and many of those varieties we actually eat today okay because we've cross bred the seats that they protected with different other varieties and then got new types of seeds so I think this is a really cool story. I love the show and I hope you liked my fat. Thank you I loved it. I love this back. I feel speechless. Saga truly see this refers to the Pavlovsky station which was we started in nineteen twenty six by Nikolai Vavilov with thousands of varieties of seeds that he'd collected from all over and your standard like gene bank similar to modern seed vaults where we are protecting the genetic diversity of plants in case things get wiped out for one reason or another. We have these seeds so we can make sure we always have a good variety of crops to plant because variety is the best way to breed resilience so during the siege of Leningrad which was one thousand forty one to nineteen forty for the actually had already moved some of the stations tuber collection and seeds to another location in the city because the station itself itself did fall to German soldiers during the siege and so then according to what I found was actually twelve of the scientists died of starvation during the course of the siege and and they successfully you know protected and preserved the plant diversity and then in two thousand ten there was like a land development proposal proposal that threatened the historic station but people were like no no no and that that did not go through the December song when the war came in my God scientists in the seed vault. I don't listen to those breasts but maybe I should know I haven't really listened to the summer since I was like fourteen years old and I know like I can Kinda here in my head part of the refrain for when the word came but I don't remember anything about it so I'm going to have to go back and listen listen time to revisit of course the December. I wrote a song this seed volt during the siege of Leningrad totally their vibe anyway. This is is an awesome story and I definitely GONNA look into it some more cool now. We have a gross one. Hi this is Dr Steven mcdavid. I'm in Ocean Springs Brings Mississippi. I may wound care physician and I don't know if you're aware of the use of Medical Mac. It's a medical maggots are actually sold by company called MONARCH LABS MONARCH LAB DOT COM now. I've never used them but it is. noteworthy that we've had patients come in that have had maggots in their win beds and it can be pretty disgusting. Obviously obviously medical maggots do have a role though they help debris new product tissue but they leave healthy tissue alone anyway it is an interesting sidelight of medicine the medical use of maggots and thought you might be interested in exploring that thanks very much. I have so many you're not familiar with medical magazine. No my only familiarity with this kind of thing. Is I remember our former or intern. Marianne Renault wrote a story for us about the medical use of Leeches. No maggots are still a thing because the really good about only the eating tissues I assume because it takes much less energy for them to break right lows down. Pre digested really love that level that old nick Cruz s nibble really don't regret it but yeah it's it's like a not super super uncommon thing especially for burn victims where you have very delicate areas of both dead tissue and leg very delicate new healthy tissue right so maggots can be the safest way to keep those wounds clean. I guess you're like the phrase maggots in the wound. Bed is just a bit but yeah I mean. I think we can all agree. It's gross do. I wish there was an alternative. Yes science place find a way yeah all right. We're GONNA take another quick break and then we'll be back with more of your fax. visit pursuit of the weirdest thing. I learned this week is brought to you by anchor if you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. It's free their creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Anchor Distributes your podcast for you so it can be heard on spotify defy apple podcasts and more and you can make money on your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor APP or go to anchor dot. FM to get started okay we are back and I'm I'm going to share just a couple more five-star reviews to inspire you to leave your own five-star reviews. 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Most interesting slash saddest thing I recently learned was that sloths can die of starvation even on a full stomach you see slots slots aren't great at temperature regulation which is why they only live in tropical climates that have relatively standard temperatures however because of climate change the tropics have been experiencing major storms bringing lower temperatures than normal below even twenty degrees centigrade when it gets too cold for the slots the bacteria tyrian their stomachs which are temperature dependent start to die so even though there's plenty of food around and they can have stomachs full of food they don't have have any way to digest and get the nutrients they need and end up dying so if you don't want sloth the cutest animals in the world to die help save of our planet amazing another amazing weird fact from an amazing Weirdo. What was her one last time. Was it the dildo machine. No her fact during our last episode was about how capture helps train. Ai No a really diverse range of subject matter yeah. We love you Shimmy Yeah. Thank you so much and yeah this is. It's true stated yeah. It's pretty upsetting. Also it reminded me of a freelance edited by Jason Biddle back at the Washington Post host about the Harrowing Journey. A sloth makes weekly to poop. Oh it's the only time they come down from their trees to palm yeah and don't they have to come down from the trees because otherwise the fall out proably and so they doing down real slow and they hug the tree and they do like a little poop. Dan and it's a very dangerous process because they are not well adapted to surviving on the ground but the reason yeah and the reason they have these very like slow precious poop sessions because their digestion is so slow because their their whole bodies are so slow as their metabolism's are as well but yeah they do have this microbiome that's very fussy and temperature dependent and why shouldn't say fussy because it worked fine until we started messing everything up but they do need those particular microbes in order to digest their food really really at all which really makes one think about like all the stuff. We've yet to learn about our own maker items like totally. There's probably so much digestion they help out with our like unaware of any other other animals that have somewhere things like Koala was going to bring up Koalas as you look this toxic in less they have these gut microbes so Mama's past their gut microbes their babies by feeding them pap which is poop yeah. It's like a special. The air quotes his poop. You know just just a nice dose of poop a pap the problem that is emerging not much temperature related needed there but there's a lot of quality out which has always been a promise has been a real problem lately and the kind of recent intervention has been grabbing quotas and dosing them with antibiotics and you kill the microbes in their pop and so then their babies aren't getting the right microbes and they can't eat their eucalyptus. Yeah it's real bad it's terrible. I also just like thinking about the symptoms of Clemencia. How it manifests in quality is very scary and sad because they line in there is a great there is GonNa like crusty and yet it's it's not great? No see I be kind to any loss equality meet They may be fighting a hard battle. Here's one about bicycles I wear does this is Darren white from New Brunswick Canada and the weirdest thing I learned this week was at the bicycle which we think of as a solution to our carbon problem was invented in response to climate change so in Eighteen fifteen mt tempera in Indonesia erupted and the resulting Ashcroft cloud caused massive crop failures in Europe. The following in year eighteen sixteen was known as the year without a summer and more darkly was known as eighteen hundred and froze to death the massive crop failures. Let the Horse Horses and oxen being slaughtered because there were just too expensive to feed and so people had to walk wherever they were going so eighteen seventeen carl race invented his milk machine gene or Dandy horse which was a precursor to the bicycle and it was invented as an alternate means of transportation so weirdly if you're now hopping on your Dandy horse to what end to help reduce global warming you're able to do so in part due to a historical cooling event Dandy Horse Yeah. Wow on bill nye was is on and I talked about bicycle face which is fascinating little slice of history. I almost went into the whole history of bicycles because this origin agent is genuinely so fascinating. Darren great voice great fact loved it and indeed the bicycle was one of Tho- oh I will say the Danny Horse is arguably not really bicycle. It's more like a scooter that you literally live on your feet all right being flintstones ah yeah it took a while before peddling was involved at all but it was like it resembled sure that the point of bicycle at least and yet with one of many things that came out of this frozen grey summer including very famously Mary Shelley's Frankenstein really yes she was hanging out in like a chill goth manner with her chill goth friends including like Lord Byron and you know everyone else who was chilling goth the time and they decide there was nothing to do except lay around being goth and beautiful. They're like we can't go outside. The Sun is covered by ice smog. It's cold it's dreary again goals and then they decided they would have like a ghost story competition and she she wrote what would become Franken's seriously. Yeah that's amazing. There's also a lot of this is coming from. I think in episode of the Memory Palace by needed a male which I've talked about on the show before a lot of people argue that like the Church of Latter Day saints would not exist if not for this event because it like prompted the N. in times migration that the founder of LDS was on when he had his supposed- meeting with the Lord Yeah so yeah. They're a bunch of bunch of cool things that happened because like when the entire world is plunged into like a summer of relative Colton Darkness S. like some weird stuff is gonna go down totally okay. We have a couple more facts. Hello I'm Carla. I'm in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania and I want to shave some misogyny something that makes drastic world even cooler so we see the big Moses or drastic world eating the shark and if we look when its mouth is opened. There is a set of teeth teeth in the center of its jaw. Those are called terrified teeth and this is a really interesting feature because it's shared with snakes and one one of the ideas is that the Motza sore may not actually be a dinosaur. It may be a monitor Lizard that is a sister group to pythons and so this may not be a dinosaur. It may actually be a giant snake or a giant monitor lizard. This is one of the coolest facts I learned what I was taking courses assist with the University of Alberta well yeah. I love a reptile fact. Yes absolutely what's cool about this. One is author still like some work to be done on figuring out exactly where these guys fit on the evolutionary tree so monitor lizards and most other lizards have teeth that form upright and then gradually move to replace the old teeth sneak teeth come in horizontally and and then like managed rotate up and erupt which sounds to me I mean I've never a snake. I don't know how it feels but it sounds unpleasant and so the question of like based on the fossils we do have like can we determine which kind of teeth these were yeah is ongoing God. I'm on the edge of Z. Science hurry it up. Okay here's one more actually these last few the last three where from before my recent call to action these are or ones that people just sent in after our last voice message episode wanting to be a part of it so you can do that too. You can send voice message with a fact any Dang time you please okay. Here's a great one. Hi My name's Eric from Princeton New Jersey and my favorite weird fact is that there is a genus of arc flies that live in Brazilian caves where the females have penises Mrs so the four species of the Genus Neo Troglav so classified because they are responsible for producing and laying the eggs also have an organ called the zone which unlike the hyena pseudo penis which has been discussed auto previous weirdest thing episode is a Bona Fide penetrative sex organ. There's way more details than I could go into in a minute but some other fun facts about it is that a meeting between these twos between these species can last for forty to seventy hours and the guy actually has spines on it which the female uses to latch on so tightly to the mail that if you try to pull them apart the males body will actually break it before they become detached. She's actually attached to him more firmly than he is attached to himself. I don't know why so metal yet so this is fascinating as Eric said we did talk about pseudo penises these he's very large clitorises on Hannah's that make one ask whether any of the words we used to classify Saxon sex organs even have any meaning at all. That's that's a whole nother discussion but yeah those can be kind of horrifying because they actually give birth through their clitorises. It's going to be like yeah but these flies. They do indeed have what you would call a more true penetrative sex organ so the male does Egypt but it's inside his own body and spoke sex so weird and then the female has interact again the words. What do they mean yeah. I ask you science come on so the quote female shoves this Iraq member this organ in there and the this demon like finds its way into like a pocket in Iraq to work in that Penis has an inflated base. It is covered in spine so it's not just you know Whoa. Oh true penis. It's a truly horrifying then like duct penis level horrifying ooh and so the question is like why y and of course the you know if you're like well then why do they call them the females and males because the female with the hardened Morgan is still the one that has the eggs and then right is carrying or fertilizing the eggs and laying them sure again words meaningless science science. We love to put things in boxes. Maybe some of them are made up. Wow really getting into it today. So the question is why and I was reading some work doc from researchers who think that maybe it's because the live in these super dry caves and live mostly off of bat droppings and carcasses like really just like not create life and there are those foods are hard to come by but females actually get a meal along with their sperm because the males package their sperm arm into spur metaphors also are loaded with nutrients. Oh so the argument is that usually the male female sex dynamic is is that males benefit from meeting as much as possible because they can produce like practically infinite offspring can just find females that are fertile to keep meeting with so they're competing for mates and trying to meet with as many females as they can and that than the females have to carry the actual burden by having enough nutrients to grow wpro this offspring and then often have the nutrients to lake care for that offspring. That's why in many animals that reproduce sexually the females are very picky. The males have to compete for their attention. I was just doing a little bird. You're justice in this whole bit on. Just you a sex Ed with Rachel Feldman. So in these animals the females have the incentive to want to meet as much as possible because it's not just I excess- sperm they meet with more males than it takes degree one brood. It's free food so the males then have to like be choosy. That's interesting has they can't just keep giving up. These nutrient packed all the time. It's a whole different structure yeah and so it may be that the females evolved this this way of like anchoring themselves to their mate yeah to get around around the hat yeah which is so fascinating because like the idea that once you flip the script on who carries the burden during reproduction production once you change that like it like all the politics change yeah totally suddenly you've got a penis covered in spine so how dirt but attorney these are some great facts. I'm really proud of Oliver Weirdos bringing these as to our attention. Just what was the thing you learned this week. That's a good question the weirdest thing I learned this week is that the the December I wrote a song about a seed volt in the siege of Leningrad. That's not true. The weirdest thing was definitely the spiny penises because now I'm thinking about like the concept of sex yeah I agree. Spiny penises bugs are attached more to their mate than their mate as attached to themselves. Wow that's something that's like. That's codependency bill. You know how to love yourself before you can love someone else or maybe fell rip out your internal charnel. Sperm Pouch the weirdest thing I learned this week is a popular science podcast where available on all major podcast platforms so subscribe wherever you're listening now and if you he likes you hear these rating review on itunes that helps other Weirdos find the show you can buy our merch including weirdest thing t shirts tote bags at mugs at upside dot thread list dot dot com our show is produced by Oliver hosts including me Rachel Feldman and our editors just Bodey and Jason Lederman are seen music by billy cannon if you have questions suggestions or weird stories to share tweet us at weirdest underscore thing. Thanks for listening Weirdos.

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Hour 1: 9/3/2019

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Hour 1: 9/3/2019

"No one's been part of more first days of work than car harper and in the same way rookies have to keep earning respect carl hart never stops earning the respect of hardworking people like you since eighteen eighteen eighty nine cohorts got your back twenty four seven visit carshield dot com forward slash c._f._p. Cried passion than pageantry of college football relieves the paul finebaum show our one podcast beautiful day for tennis. That's not too far from the more we are right here in lower manhattan right across the river that is going on but we're not interested in that today. We're sitting trying to pick up at some of the shattered pieces of the first weekend of college football and we say hello to you and <hes> hope your labor day was a good one. We were in studio yesterday. Some of you may have i've been traveling but <hes> we had pretty amazing show and we hope to replicate that today as we were heading off the air yesterday reports were being confirmed that jake bentley would be out for a number of weeks that has now been confirmed by will muschamp who had had a lot to say earlier today. Jay has a mid foot sprain which is commonly referred to as they live frank. He will be out for an extended period of time. He's still under medical evaluation. I'll know more in the latter part of the week exactly whether he needs surgery if you need surgeries can be a season ending injury if if not at six or eight weeks but again. I don't wanna comment much further than that right now because i don't know a lot more than that until we continue to get another evaluation but get hurt for jake senior year. We're giving a lot to this program outstanding young man exactly how you want someone to represent the university of south carolina and just just hurt for him. During this time we're pissed off to his coaches stabs. We're in a little bit of a bunker mentality. I you know i don't read your articles podcast podcast or whatever you do so at the end of the day it's about what do we need to do to win and let's try and rally to win games and that's what we're going to do as a staff and that's what we're gonna do as a as a team and we're going to do as an organization so help us win games. That's that'd be my message. Let's go help us win some football games and that's that's where we find on doing really interesting to juxtaposed. How will muschamp handled defeat versus yesterday when we showed you you jeremy pruitt. It seemed like much champ. Has it down a little smoother. Of course you've got a lot more experience at losing a head coach and pruitt. Does let's move onto subject number two a._m. Shared hawker. Have you heard this today. Have you seen this today. Yes you probably have he was asked <hes> about guaranteeing a win in death valley and jared all yours exam for or <hes> an upset. Oh yes it does there will be an upset be guaranteed victory. I'm pretty coffee. My ability and artistes people have been criticizing him but i don't have a problem i it wasn't that big a deal and by the way if you thought the the tom herman to l._s._u. Story was just a phantom report. Think again as i ross dellinger big story on how hermit almost made it to baton rouge. Jimbo fisher is included in that article. We'll talk to the author of that a little bit later on pretty good matchup top ten game between number nine and number six <hes> a._p. Poll is out changes. Florida did not survive but auburn's in auburn at number knbr ten. Florida fans probably not very happy. They didn't play and they drop down but i was on a program earlier. Somebody who's writing the s._e._c. off. I'm counting thing is fast as i can but i seem like i've seen a lot of schools in the top twelve. There is the rest of the poll syracuse number twenty one. They will play clemson clemson in a week. So did you know alabama is ranked in the top five and the people for the fifty fifty six consecutive week that breaks miami's record of fifty five straight. They have not been ranked number one. They have since two thousand eight alabama. Alabama has been number one and at some point in every single poll a couple of years ago. They weren't number one until the very final poll. They may have to wait a while before they're number. One in this assures fall at ash off join us. We'll get his take on the weekend in college football jay brady mccalla. We talked to jay brady before he's with the l._a. Times dellinger the aforementioned aforementioned would that cool story on always. You're on became the coach at l._s._u. And josh kendall on the mess that is better known as south carolina football football right now. I your phone calls at eight five five two four to seven to eight five always enjoy getting right to you. This is a talk show. We talked to a number. I guess what we like to hear from callers. That's the way we roll in. Rob is in georgia and you start us off good afternoon. I'm robbie there. Yes sir. I'm here go right. Yeah go right ahead. You're on the air. Thank you for taking my call first off and you know no. It's harder than drama through traffic in columbia south carolina. I'm trying to say you know it's harder than driving through traffic in columbia south carolina. I do not what does that getting that team above five hundred this year only seeing them getting three wins at the moment and that is utterly elliot trophies for an s._e._c. team and maybe a fourth win with an upset against kentucky and that's a heavy upset yeah listen. I don't know about that rob. The you know. Some people were were down on on jay bentley but i'll say this bentley as a four year starter he may not be perfect and he has certainly been off but he would have he would have gotten a couple of wins that you might not have gotten previously really. I hate to see him knocked out this quickly but hopefully he'll come back soon read doa. I hit the right button. I'll get red. Doggone red dog right ahead. Hey paul hey good afternoon. Hey so this call is not to bash tennessee <music> anyway. This call is to talk about tennessee and i think what they've done wrong. I you know when they hired jimmy per. I and he has a dog fan. I didn't think it was the right hire. <hes> regardless you know needed her there. You know back in from nineteen eighty eighty nine to two thousand one tennessee beat georgia handily there were days. We never thought we were gonna be tennessee and they were one of the most dominant i'm gonna football programs in college football and that was under the former regime in ever since then tennessee always goes out and tries to hire a quick fix special you know <hes> duly got a job probably because his last name then you had lower length and before that and you got butch jones owns now you've got germany foot and they're gonna have to you know. Tennessee is gonna have to hire a program builder because that used to be and it still who is one of those story traditional jump in here. Hold on a second. I mean you can say whatever you want and that's great but tennessee's not looking for a new coach right now. I i would agree <hes> they're. They're in a really bad spot and it's incumbent upon jeremy pruitt to win this weekend and i and solve the wounds but let's let's not be just plain out stupid here today and start talking about a new coach at tennessee after one season and one game that that is premature but thank you anyway for your call. Let's go to jim in charlotte. Jim go right ahead. Hey thank you for a medical. Well <hes> i just looking at those losses by the us south carolina and tennessee and mississippi and missouri. That's you know why missouri lives. There's an wyoming of the midwest conference mississippi to memphis into a._a. See i think the tennessee georgia state in the sun belt and south carolina to north oh carolina and they see see because the need to start scheduling some high school team for their non conference on things chat okay thanks. I did my best to try to hold up the tennessee flag. I think i'm losing that battle. Ah gamecocks losing yeah listen i get it. I mean there were four s._e._c. Schools that lost over the weekend and it seemed like tennessee is the only one we're talking about. Frankly think tennessee's it was the most noteworthy but it may not be the most important and it's nice nice of everyone on just to completely melt down the balls but one year end. There's a difference between being there for one year and being in your fourth worth year a five to four two seven two eight five is our number and we are <hes> taking many recalls also get to a couple of guests says we continue here on a tuesday early september. You're listening to the paul. Finebaum show podcast welcome back. Is we continue to get back back to our phones and darryl always thrilling to hear from daryl afternoon iraqi. You'll always be all home to me. No i was gonna say i'd probably stay away from scheduling georgia's schools start the season. You know what i mean. We just wipe out it was you don't wanna problem is all so the problem is that mar re go to stop. The doors have been a hot there makudi he goes to all that. I just cojones who they want to the war before yet. Whoa what are you georgia guy so obsessed with tennessee. I'm not a wide. You worry about what you're worried about florida alabama's or l._s._u. I i don't know if you're georgia and you're the number three team in the country and you've plot blue to you blend to game against alabama. Why are you picking on the little kid on the street off. The coast of religious faith is a homeowner football as it's hard to see him and i don't think it's probably hard knows maybe there's this officer. You know what i mean. Is that kinda. We're kinda in four. They just hired the georgia offensive coordinator plan. Oh there's your offense didn't exactly tear it up the other night against vanderbilt well. What do you want to do the policy you wanna talk like why can't splitting it openly another room at the school and take off some of your reserves to play a sport wanted today plus novotel. Ah tell you one thing at least tennessee fans have phones. I can hear them on. I couldn't understand a word you're saying. <hes> mike is up next in macon georgia. Hey mike go right ahead. Paul i saw a map of the united states and then have one of those combs on it. You know like hurricane dorian only this time the co own it started at miami in extended up to south bend indiana and it was titled fan bases mad at paul finebaum auburn the whole country. It's definitely moved from south florida to indiana. You're definitely the question. They kind of took you a little literal at notre dame. Come to me people in south bend. I mean i was john. I'll explain it to the audience. You may have heard about this. I was on. I take yesterday and somebody that we were talking about the notre dame game jokingly said <hes> that maybe the committee or the committee should just ban them and i don't know why or who took it seriously but they put someone put it out literally and for twenty eighty four hours i've had to answer the question <hes> as if anyone would take seriously that somebody could be put on probation from the college football playoff committee. I mean it's absurd her. I thought it was but anyway everybody a little solicited. These days the last thing i mean notre dame fans i mean i. I don't know why they have such an inferior already complex and you know they. I mean they're bragging that. They only lost to clemson twenty seven in alabama lost by twenty eight. The differences fringes notre dame lost in the semi files. Alabama was at least in the finals. Okay absolutely absolutely right paul what i want to touch on you had a call. Oh yes today <hes> from liz from alaska and anyway. I just thought it was a really good call. <hes> you know she came in. She was in her way offering empathy empathy the tennessee fans you know based on historical interesting historical perspective from what she experiences school then she dressed down the washington into the post and that clown you had on yesterday you know knocking on doors or on without any kind of facts about you know basically up with when you challenged him on it and then finally <hes> you know she took a little pot shot at darul right there at the end. She did it all with humor and anyway. I just thought she's a great colorado. Hopes keeps college was i liked her. Hey thank you mike georgia fan that you could understand. That is a a real interesting predicament josh in illinois josh hey. How's it going paul. Oh it's going great thank you. Hey so i <hes> i'm originally from south carolina big clemson fan <hes> i haven't been the move up here for a job opportunity but you know i <hes> over the past couple years with us going back and forth with alabama and everything <hes> you know it's been been pretty tight you know back and forth last year's a little bit more of a blowout and you know jalen hurts going to oklahoma <hes> i'm just i'm not one hundred percent sold on the heisman height. You know everyone's blowing up about his huge performance and you know all the yards that he through and i think he went. Maybe like twenty one for twenty three. You know in that game. <hes> you know but everyone's overlooking the fact that it's all shovel passes ten to fifteen yards tall systematic you know he honestly didn't do anything with his arm. That was impressive in that game. I mean his legs impresses. You know there's a great runner. I think he's a good decision maker but i'm still not sold on him as a reliable deep passer and i wonder if that's going to hurt hurt them in the long run against texas and other teams that nature well listen. You certainly can look anywhere you want. I think you just have to look at it as he had a great game and he wasn't really <hes> forced or pushed into doing anything unusual <hes> he completely dominated the game and the houston defense was average at best but i can't tell you what he would do later in the year but i know one thing. He has enormous experience. He came in last year against georgia and won that game and yeah. He's a better runner than pastor but i saw him make some some very very good throws. Thanks for the call. Trae is up next. Go right ahead trae. How're you doing. We're doing great right. Good good to have you on good deal. Hey kevin durant here real quick <hes>. Can you ask me a question quick quarterback in alabama jones. You know i i am just fed up with alabama fans talking about taylor's performance blah blah blah blah blah blah well. I don't know these people know this but they played the third worst defense in the country last year and they're the worst in the country this this year already okay tell you i'm you know i'm glad he's not not. That's fine but you gotta alabama fan. 'cause they want to offer offer jalen. This is becoming a oklahoma fan. Please don't affect our quarterback. We got mail. Does he can get. He needs all the support he can get anybody. Oh uh-huh genuine such a class. I'll tell you what two of his classes i've ever see. Okay so if you guys want to keep you know keep raising jalen and a what time becoming oklahoma fan t._v.'s oh he can get our quarterback needs us support and talking about how great jaylen studying this at another other okay when when he plays a top defense then we'll see what he does but we all know that he's gonna conference. That would be lucky to have one team in the top. How did your top defense. Would you agree with that. Who listen trae. There is a love affair with jalen and it's it's understandable but it's not going to sustain and we have to run through the bread but it really doesn't matter alabama fans leading on somebody is not going going to affect <hes> to talk about low one iota anyway <hes> li- going on and a huge game this weekend in austin texas assists the l._s._u. Tigers getting ready to head down. There and we are going to talk about that. Coming up here in a moment at asha off is in in baton rouge looks like he's ready to roll. We'll talk to you ed in a minute you listening to the paul finebaum show podcast yeah well. It's a big game saturday in austin and we heard from coach ozher on during that break for those of you who were away. You'll hear a lot about this game and let's head down to the by you. Ash off who makes his ways to most of the college football capitals thank queue for the time <hes> you're on the ground and be are taken from atop. What's going on down there well. They know that it's texas week. You know you walk around around. Some of the facilities here are texas markers up but you know in talking with players last week. I mentioned you know you're gonna play texas. You're gonna play alabama and they all stopped up to me and said it's georgia southern and then we move on but as soon as the game was over with saturday night guys were looking right at what they had to do against texas listen. I asked coach. Oh look you talked about the magnitude of this game but if you're trying to get to that next level you want to be that elite l._s._u. Team again challenge for championships not just in the s._e._c. s._e._c. but for national championship how important is it to win a game like this and he downplayed it a little bit but he made sure to say look. If you wanna be on the big stage you gotta win. Games seems like this he feels like there on that stage now and moving in the right direction. I can just tell you and being here for the last couple of weeks. There is a totally different feel inside aside. This building guys have more confidence. Some chesser poked out a little bit more and with the way they played on offense. The defense finally looks at that offense and says all right. We have a good counterpart to what we can do this season. They think that they're totally a championship team. This year yeah and i'm really interested <hes> about that. Confidence confidence and yeah. I know what happened. Last year. We all do but <hes> eh what's what's the fuel behind not just being upbeat and in an optimistic but <hes> a lot of people were wondering <hes> are we. Are we underestimating l._s._u. Even though there were top five top sixteen yeah grenfell put in kahlon chason both said that everybody is underestimating <unk>. Even though people have us ranked number six in the country coming in to the season and coach told me you know last year. He wasn't managing big expectations but he was trying to get these guys to play with grit. They're playing with their backs against the wall. Oh he had answered so many questions about job security that was annoying him that was annoying players and that kind of fueled them last season so i said all right well what feels you now and he said well now. It's tougher suffer because there are high expectations for this program that a lot of players who have been here really aren't used to. They don't know really how to manage it so he said we've gotta stay the hungry. I've gotta stay hungry as a head coach. The staff asked to stay hungry because when you put your arms down that's when you get punched in the face joe borough told me that he can just tell that guys aren't necessarily arrogant but they're taking things more seriously because they're more confident in what they're doing from play play from day to day. They feel like this. This is a team that can compete mentally and physically but the big question is now. You gotta play texas on the road. Things are different when you're showing that offense off against georgia southern compared to when you're doing against todd orlando and that really aggressive defense so this is the perfect big test for them early in the year yeah. I want to get your thoughts on texas so you have a program there with tom. Urban who tried to do the same thing and it wasn't perfect last year bad beat bad start but <hes> the oklahoma game aim went their way at least the first one did and then they beat georgia the end of the year what what's the mood <hes> in the land of of texas right now yeah i i talked to sam allender over the summer and he told me look we have so many playmakers this year. He felt like there were twelve wide receivers on this roster that he could throw to any sort of situation situation. It feels like the offensive line has grown. He's grown as a quarterback and as the words you're on said today. He reminds him a little bit of tim tebow. He's not saying that he's as good but he's not saying he isn't isn't and he thinks that he's a better passer than that type of quarterback and you can really tell that first game that he's looking down field more he's more confident in his receivers and in himself and i talked to a staff member over the summer who said this might be the most talented team. The texas hadn't awhile but mentally they're kinda like l._s._u. They have that confidence but again and they're not going to know until this weekend. So both of these programs are basically coming at each other with the same sort of goals the same sort of expectations but also the same sort of questions when it comes to how oh good argue after you player weaker opponent in week one and we see the hype we got to see what happens in week two and if this is a close game. I think that these are two teams and you're going to talk about in a couple of weeks. Still playoff contenders. No matter who wins who loses talking to show off head covers of course the entire world of college football and i want to get a little bit deeper for into the s._e._c. we had four teams <hes> who lost and all three of them were pretty big surprises <hes>. I don't think you could say ole miss. Losing losing was a huge shock but <hes> let's go through a couple of days tennessee. That's the one everyone is obsessed over your thoughts on that <hes> inexcusable losing to georgia state at home considering all the talk we heard from head coach jeremy per through the spring through the off season about how much how how much more mature this team was how better they were more cohesive they were end to drop the ball like that uninspired play and really would surprise me was hearing in guys after the game they were very nonchalant and i understand that you've got to stay even keeled whether it's a big win or a big loss but it almost seemed like guys were just kind of going through the motions that they it didn't really feel anything from losing such an embarrassing game like that and in talking with some people a little closer to the program than me. They're not sure where it goes from here. How do you fire up not just this team. Not just these coaches not the guys behind the scene but the fans in general because people are expecting this to be kind of slow build for jeremy pruitt but at the same time time. How do you get the motivation now week to week. When you lose a game like that and now you gotta go play in the heart of the s._e._c. Pretty soon and let me flip over to columbia south carolina. Yeah we heard from will muschamp earlier. <hes> things were bad enough. He loses quarterback in law. Jake bentley was not stellar against north carolina still a a four year starter <hes>. Where's that program in year four of muschamp. I think you're gonna have a lot more questions than answers answers going forward and and the way that bentley played just way too inconsistent for a guy who's been there so long <hes> i i will say this going into the game i was going back and forth because i do think that mack brown being north carolina and having some underrated talent there was something that a lot of people were overlooking but at the same time this is a game if you're will must champ you absolutely have to win and you could tell from their responses after the after the game that they were totally in shock about how they played and it really did look like north carolina carolina was the better coach team the more motivated team and even no mack brown may jokes after the game that hey. We tried to lose it for the players. Those guys played tougher when it mattered and i think that stands out more than anything with the south carolina team because the talent is there to be that number three team in the s._e._c. east. Maybe challenged florida behind hi georgia there but now again. What's the motivation going into the heart of the season. When you lose a game like this that you shouldn't have lost. We heard so much about the s._e._c. east. I it's the new beast of course you look at the top ten in. It seems like the s._e._c. west is camped out there but after georgia and florida ardo which we all hashed out about what happened against miami who is next well. I thought it was gonna be missouri whether they had the bowl banner not because you look at the talent level from top to bottom i mean kelly bryant played really really well at times but even though he threw for four hundred yards he still made some really head-scratching plays here and there. I'm not really sure. I think it's still up for grabs. I think kentucky is a team. They lost so much. What can they do against florida in a couple couple weeks. They're still that team to me that is that is rebuilding at this point i again. I wonder what happens with missouri. I when i was over the summer. I asked barry autumn. How do you motivate these guys if they don't have a bowl game and they looked at me and said look it's hashtag us like it is all about us. We don't care about the outside noise. We've got the senior leadership. We've got guys who are motivated to just go out this season and try to go twelve. No we'll let ain't happening anymore and we don't know what's going to happen with a bowl ban so we're going to really find out who are the true leaders not just on the coaching staff but as as far as players go to and i want to see you how kelly brian stands up. He made a huge huge decision to stay eight missouri. After the bowl ban <hes> was first brought to their attention and he that was the first time he stood up as a liter front at team. This is a big moment for him now. The season is here here. They have to salvage some sort of momentum going into next year. All eyes are on him going forward it. Ash off live in bob and baton rouge ed bill. Let's go. Let's let's end where we began texas l._s._u. Retard to to really chiseled. This game down sounds like l. She has a lot of confidence sort of texas. Euro so-called experts say <hes> affectionately what's going to happen. I think that the team that executes their offense the best in dozen turnover the ball is going to win and i know that's cliche but when you have two teams that operate basically the same way now. L._s._u.'s running offense very similar to what tom herman and texas are running down there in austin to me. It's going to be how does this offensive line and how do these. How do these running backs just to blocking a more aggressive front that taxes access has and with todd orlando likes to bring. It's going to be way more exotic way more athletic than what they saw against georgia southern and while hey the first game he loved to have a tune-up like that where you can get guys making good plays. I wanna see what changes they have to make against faster defense on the road. How do they get in and out of checks. It's going to be different with the noise that they're gonna have to deal with. And how do they deal with the they've called louisiana tech to ask them how to deal with the heat on the turf. <hes> they're changing the way they practice this week to adjust to the he but to me it's what can they do in the passing game consistently against this defense and not reverting back to the old l._s._u. Habits of run. I i asked coach george ron before the game on saturday what happens when you start to lose a little patients in the offense a dozen work and he said i've got to step back and trust joe brady and and trust stevens and your and say if we want to throw i that's what we're going to do. I'm curious to see what happens when things get mucky and texas defense brings it to two. I thought you were gonna pick texas right there in baton rouge we tried taking l._s._u. I i'm picking l._s._u. Okay smart move at least until you get outta town. Dash off joining us from baton rouge lot more to discuss on the program. We'll keep our at working our way through the s._e._c. and other big games of the day. Your phone calls continue at eight five five four to seven to eight five. You're listening to the paul finebaum. I'm show podcast. Hello everybody you're looking live at fans. Bill a college football utopia with the rivers. 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Yes i did i again. I was feverishly flipping back and forth. I caught a couple of minutes. I'd probably not enough to form form a strong opinion well. I'm georgia fan and i've got an opinion. <hes> i watched the game and <hes> i'm a little concerned about georgia. If you on paper i believe they won the game thirty to six yes but here's the problem i see last year. Jim tiny took a lot of the blame. The last couple years about the offense well georgia got rid of there. Were supposed to be a change made and what i witnessed during the game the first half look like there were some changes they may three fast scores in the first first half but it's the same the second half georgia and kirby smart or reverting right back to the same m and other words in the second half they went back like a turtle hotness head and michelle. They played conservative and they wanted the defense. Just just <hes> hold the score. They wanted to keep the lead. They were not aggressive in the second half to try to continuously fan new and inventive inventive ways to score mentor said <hes>. I know what you said. Why do you think that that was. That's the case well. I mean it was obvious from a standpoint of i'm no head coach but as a fan watching the game on t._v. They they played almost like they did in the games that they've lost where the <hes> offense just saying to evaporate the second half of the game the second half of the game georgia only managed to muster up three field goals the entire second in half now. Does that sound familiar of course it does yeah i i was flying and i saw some of the in the second half so i didn't see when when the game was really <hes> contested so that's why i and they were just they were just complacent. Completely satisfied that the had the gaming grip they came out at halftime and offense just went dead and truth be known. If you stop the run you stop georgia. Kirby smart will not be aggressive. He it's like he hasn't learned a thing he will not go. After the ball and tried brought to score more points he they burn out in the first half the second half they have nothing it's like the offense just evaporates and they depend on the defense to stop the the opponent's offense and i think that that's how author gonna win the game. It's the same m o as when gem cheney was there. I don't see any change to be honest. Well let let me say this bobby. I thank you for your call in. I get where you're coming from but <hes> i also think you game plan primarily against your opponent and and i think kirby smart was fully aware that vanderbilt had no offense and really didn't have a quarterback that they had to be concerned with so maybe he was more vanilla than you would want him to be but he could have also been thinking about two weeks from now. Hey thank you very much for the call. Chris is he's in south carolina. You're on the air. Hello chris hi dr finebaum. Thank you for taking my call thank you my name's chris and i'm a south carolina fan. I'm calling to tell you that everything you're saying is right. You've got a administration ministration at south carolina. Who's going to stick with their guy and there's really nothing we have left in the hopper so to speak eight for this year polinsky freshman. He's starting jay bentley really solid quarterback good guy. It's it's deplorable that people are just hammering him on <hes> on twitter my question to you is what can i'm a person. Do who's the south carolina fan. Who's now on the couch. I talked me off the ledge because let me unfortunately we don't let me let we try to give you a quick answer. I feel badly for bentley to because i i would trust jay bentley to win me. Some games versus someone that we don't really know much about <hes> <hes>. I think you have to be patient. As you look down the road you have to get through the next month and the next month is charleston southern alabama alabama missouri and kentucky and then assess if it looks like a disaster then <hes> we've got a serious conversation.

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