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The Stage Is Set

Outside the Lines

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The Stage Is Set

"Believable. No for I'm play the ball. I got all these incomplete. I was like, oh, we can't be asking fficials source a little bit out of shape to be making these bang bang calls. Couldn't believe it. The perk at. Pursuer bowl fifty. Around. Here's hard shimmy, shake down. At advance. That'd be able to flip the way. He does it kinda real. You've never seen a stretch of basketball authencity played by one player like repeating. And of course, should be conversation. What you see your perception sporting event? Shoot. Welcomed outside the lines Ryan Smith here. The Rams and the patriots punching they're ticket to Super Bowl fifty three in nailbiting fashion. Our big story today the NFL game and the issues put the bad calls aside for a moment. Let's not pooh-poohed the games the first time in NFL history. Both conference champions needed OT to get to the big one. The Rams are back in the Super Bowl as LA for the first time in thirty nine years. Dropping the mic on the saints like Jimmy Buffett singing, the national anthem Greg's line nailing, not just one big time kick butt to one to get to and the other to seal the deal. The hold is down the kit clears the line and Greg Zehra line. The Super Bowl. Play for the Lombardi the win so shocking for the normally Chile Angelinos in this one bar. They didn't even know what to do with themselves. That's nice and for the saints. The crushing defeat at home marred further by this. Nicole Roby Coleman's helmet to helmet passenger Fearance on the saints. Tommy Lewis denying New Orleans the opportunity to run down the clock and win it with a field goal. Such a blatant miscall, even Roby Coleman was surprised if I would have played a ball, and it would have been a different story. I just heard to cry go crazy. And then I got say incomplete out. So what are you on the rough say like low key was a tip tip. So I was just like, okay. Hey, saints fans. I'm sorry. But it is what do you heard what the refs said. It was incomplete respect to call out. Guess what the saints fan fought of that? This is an overpass on the lake Pontchartrain causeway and the saints Sean Payton, obviously fuming post game and apologetic phone call from Aref didn't help for that not to be made man just hard to swallow and then to get a phone call. It was simple. They blew the call said should never have not been a call. They said not only was it interference. It was helmet-to-helmet to call. They just couldn't believe it and Kansas City. It's almost becoming business as usual for the patriots. Finding a way to win unless you count Tom Brady leading down that normally Stephen ear to take it all in just what it go back to overall. Indeed this one the patriots third straight Super Bowl ninth over all for Brady. And Bella check this Super Bowl is going to be the ultimate class between young versus old Brady. And Bella check face the Rams in the Super Bowl. Exactly seventeen years prior to this year's rematch when they were the St Louis Rams Jared Goff at that time. Just seven years old and saw McVeigh was showing great promise as a high school quarterback. All right. Let's welcome in ESPN NFL insider, Adam Schefter, and he tweeted this sister, Adam this is you look at this. That is me all that. Is you look you're talking about the game the legacies change because of this when you saw this. What did you think was the impact especially on the integrity of the game will listen if the saints go to the Super Bowl you're talking about drew Brees trying to win a second Super Bowl Sean Payton trying to in a second Super Bowl? Instead, they're going home. And you've got Sean McVay going. I I will tell Jared Goff going I for Super Bowl title, so often we remember coaches and players and organizations by their championships. There are there measured in many ways in that way. Ryan, and this particular case the saints lost out on an opportunity in large part because that one call now you could say also that before that the saints drive down the field. They get the catch from Ted Ginn set up if they run the ball three straight place and challenge. The ramp to use their one remaining I'm out they could bleed the clock down to the end. Try the game winning field goal. And then I'll Ranjit have almost no time and that Kohl's moot. Right. But it didn't go that way. And everybody in the country could see that it was pass interference or helmet to helmet or unnecessary roughness or face gory, or anyone a number of the coals that you want to call there and the league didn't call any of them at that point time to this president. But it's the most blatantly miscall that you can remember in an NFL. We've never seen anything like this in the ref's call that you saw there with Peyton. And he's like what's it like to get that call, but here's sawn Peyton talking after the game about what he would do about. All. We all want to get it. Right. Right. I mean, we all we've got the technology where we can we've got plenty of technology to to speed things up and. Look on the competition committee. So hopefully. Provides voice. But man, I hope no other team has to lose a game away. We lost that one today though. You know, we were in a position like I said to be right there on the ten yard line. Whatever yard line. Be underneath for three plays. And. It's disappointing competition that line is telling what changes could we see if any? Well, listen, the competition committee has had this come to them for years net. Ryan, and it's come up, but it's never been enacted to where you can challenge inefficient call. And by the way, if you're going to say all of a sudden that pass interference is challengeable. What are you challenging issue? No passing the firms that was even cold. So you can't shall Inge a play that happened in which no penalty was called enlist the rule is done in which a coach can challenge play in which no PI was called when it was late where impossible how are you going to do? You study make a call. So what could they do what could be done because you can't make a human being do something that they didn't do and try to work backward from that? And make it work. Look, there's nothing they can do about that particular play in that particular game. It's gone. So what we've seen happen is calls that are made official. Nls calls. Good or bad that sometimes coaches one child we've heard Bill Belichick speak openly about the fact that coaches should be allowed to use one of their three challenges on an official's call now again, no call there. So what are you challenging? So we're back to the spot where nothing solved even if you're making pass interference penalties. Challengeable you that doesn't change the result of Sunday's game. It's the same thing. It seems like a no win situation. If that's where it's up to the competition competition committee, and Sean Payton who's now a part of that committee to figure out a way. So that if there's something as blatantly obvious as that play yesterday that somehow the league can step in and stop all the people. I love this people coming. Oh, the game was fixed. It was rate. There are people who believe that. Well, there's also able to leave the complaints people. Make like for example in the patriots game. Now, the call is will maybe we should change the rules. To college. What do you think about that? Because they said they got the score a touchdown K. Didn't get to see him. See the field. The rules are done the way they are in large part doodoo player health safety measures. They don't want there to be any more action than there has to be and I understand that for the regular season. But I think when you get to the postseason it's up to the chiefs defense to stop them to own to get the ball back. They didn't do that. But I also would argue that what's the harm in saying? Okay. We're going to go to one overtime period. Right. It's ten minutes play ten minutes and the team that scores the most that defends the best wins the game rather than the patriots. When he joined flip getting the ball driving the field and Patrick Mahomes. Never gets the chance to put his hands on the football ever again. Tough to point flip again. She's defense failed them right d- Ford was off sites. So there are any number of. As you could always assign blame and that's fair and fitting, but there seemed something unfairly unjust about a team. Not even getting the chance to touch the football in overtime. Oh, ally can say is these conversations will always continue after. All right. Adam. So great to see you now while the saints are licking their wounds after that tough loss for the Rams now Super Bowl bound their emotions ran the gamut. Definitely went through a whole gamut of emotions when the field goal went in from excited to you know, emotional to overwhelmingly happy and very excited, man. We earn. It. We deserve. It. A lot of games so much of Madrid. This all my life for us to be able to be in this position to make it to the Super Bowl. Oh, you're so happy for these players. They continue to battle. They continue to fight. We got two more weeks left. And we'll see if we can end this thing with real big smiles after the next game. With everything's going on around Clark, by the way, joining us with everything that's going on. And we talk about the saints and what happened to them? I look at the Rams there. You're just talking about Todd Gurley crying. What is win mean for them? I mean, it means a lot right? You're showing McVay and you take over team that Jeff Fisher left and people thought that team was dead though. Jared Gulf couldn't play football Todd Gurley had regress and to see this team go into the Superdome, which is extremely tough place to win. And even after that miscall have to make place to get themselves in the Super Bowl and do it. I think that was huge for a young team and a young coat. I think we forget about that. And all of this. We're talking about the blown call. But we're not talking a lot about what it took to get the OT. And then a win the game. But let me ask you on the blown call. Sean Payton at one point talked about how you know, you can't dwell on it. But that's going to be tough to get over. What's it like for the players in the locker? They're never going to get over that. What people don't understand is that New Orleans Saints team will never be again. Yes. They'll wear the same colors, right? And the principles will be the same. You might see showing Peyton bag as the head coach drew drew Brees will be the quarterback Alvin Kamara play running back. But thirty three percent of that team is going to be different. They're going to be a lot of those guys who never play another NFL game. And so to be on the on the cusp of making it to the Super Bowl to be right there to have a plate change that. And I heard Adam talk about legacies and careers all those things are true. But other part is lives right there. Our lives changed because that call is missed and that's something that the NFL can allow to happen after this point. So what do they do? How do you think that calling? Let me ask you. How do you think that call was missed? I have no idea. I mean Burbach. Maybe I I'm not really sure how it was. I just don't understand it. There's official that officials that are assigned just to watch that and he missed it. And then also no one else ought to referee said he didn't see it. And so when you look at that play this has to be added to things that you can shout and Adam said, how do you challenge annot call? And so you make a ref make the call. And so I guess my point would be on defenseless players, right? I feel like that's a huge penalty. That's a huge file. That's something that coaches should be able to challenge also coaches should be able to challenge both called in not call. Now, you still only get your two and people. Okay. Because I was gonna say. You still only get you to. And now you have to wait in the first in the first quarter. You throw a sixteen yard in route that you think it was holding on on the defense. Do you throw your flag there? That's interesting and has another layer to the game just like challenges out to the gay does. I mean, I don't think you should be able to challenge every flake or every non coal but in situations like this. I feel like PI has become one of those calls because it's a spot foul and a first down that really changes the game. And I think showing pain you heard him say he's on the competition committee. That's going to be something he brings up. So let's talk about the game coming up Super Bowl pats Rams who has the edge. And y you know, I've been trying to bet against the patriots all play offs. And I've been wrong I'm going to pick the Rams right because they were preseason Super Bowl favor. You're who Tom Brady was talking. I absolutely. It's him absolutely McCorvey all of and you know, going into this game. I feel Bella check in Brady in the patriots have the experience, right? They have that age also feel it's good to be a little naive and ignorant and not know some things, but I think if you go man for man, you are more skilled if you Los Angeles Rams, but right now the team that's playing the best is the New England Patriots and going into the game. I think that's why they have the eggs in the betting already favored by about one and a half. We'll see out his plays out there underdog. But they're gonna look good for that game. Ryan. Thank you very much. All right. Well, coming up Dame's hard, and maybe the MVP favourite. But would you believe he might not even be an all-star starter? Tuck -nology truth brought to you. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's Janet's fangs? Did she lose that? With a weed whacker? Oh, sent wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something Goco, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more. Every. He was a guy is a motivator and the way he talked way he walked away he interacted with with others may people wanting to follow him eight people believe in him. And that's what I wanna be. I wanna be contagious. I wanted to be someone who can like Dr king when I explained people listen to do so for others. Here's more stuff that matters. Serena Williams quest for twenty four th grand slam title rolls on down under with her defeat of world. Number-one one Simona halo to reach the Australian Open quarter-finals. It was Serena's record ninth. Career win against top ranked player at a major, and she becomes the third woman to reach the quarters in fifty career major tournaments of next for Serena seven seed caroliina pills, a Cova tomorrow and already dealing with a groin injury to LeBron James the Lakers suffer another blow point guard. Lonzo ball is out four to six weeks. After an MRI reveal the great three ankle sprain. Ball has been averaging twelve and a half points seven point two rebounds in LeBron's absence. In today's b-block Houston's one man NBA wrecking crew. That's James harden, of course, nineteenth straight games with thirty or more points and counting the longest freak of its kind since the NBA ABA merger and yet despite his greatness, the raining and VP and the front runner for the award. This year is as of the NBA most recent count, not even an all-star starter that may change by the time voting wraps up tonight. But as of now Derrick rose has the edge, and he's not the only one who would be justified in beefing with the fan vote for the all-star starters. K D is also on the outside looking in for the monk forwards nearly a million votes behind rookie fee nom. Look, Don shit and over the east. Dwayne Wade in his final season is over six hundred thousand votes ahead of his nearest competitor to start leading the lights of Kemba Walker and Ben Simmons. NBA refs will start answering questions about calls in real time on Twitter for select games over the rest of the season. But the NFL won't be doing that for the NFC championship anytime soon. So let let it let's bring in ESPN babe reporter, Tim Bon temps to talk about all of this. All right. So Tim, let me ask it James harden. What do you do to stop them? If you're the Sixers tonight, or at least try to contain them. I mean, look the only thing you can really do keep your hands away from run to not foul him and to let him shoot. And hope he misses. I mean the way harden is playing right now is basically unguardable he's leading the league and free throw attempts. He gets he gets these threes off whatever he wants. And you know, you saw in the magic game couple of weeks ago. He missed I think it went like seventeen or something. And that was basically the only way you could stop them. Let him shoot Hopi mrS dole out and go to the line because you really thrives off getting those easy points whenever you can get. Yeah. And I see some teams kind of Saginaw from a little bit trying to give myspace beat have other guys beat them, but they're taking down shots too. So let me ask you with all his greatness, everything. He's done. How is this man? Not an all-star starter at this point with basically the rest of the day to go. Well, basically, it's because of internet voting Derrick rose for examples headed James harden, Derrick rose is still hugely popular in China. Even though he has been off the NBA right off for a so its renaissance season sandwich. Wayne Wade same Luca Danni, which with with the rise in internet voting. You know, these guys from around the world with fan bases in China in Europe in in South America. They've been able to get more folks than some of these guys you would normally expect. That's why a couple years ago after size Pachulia nearly made the all star game. When he certainly was expected to be won the NBA institute. It's new rules now. Half of the vote goes to the fans a quarter goes the median a quarter goes to the players in order to try to prevent any kind of flukes. James harden, not starting from happening. Okay. But it still could end up being an issue. I have to ask I know it's going to affect their wallet guys might get incentives for making the starting think we're getting the starting nod, but do players what did they think about this? Do they care? The players definitely pay. Attention guys might say might try to feign ignorance publicly, but these guys behind the scenes want to be in the all star game. They wanna start. They want to know who's going to start. They're kind of like everybody else right there watching the vote. Tolls or surprise sear dare grows at high surprises. Dwayne Wade that high there's the price guy. Hookah dodgers, I had a governor and Anthony Davis. I mean, they are paying attention even though publicly they might say, they're not, okay. One more thing referees in the NBA are going to be answering tweets things like that to hear from fans about different calls in a game. I think this is extraordinarily. They actually did it last year. But tell us how this is going to work because as we said earlier, I'm not sure it's something NFL reps would do based on that NFC game last night. Yeah. I mean the way those calls went yesterday, it's going to be tough. Right. So at the referee's official Twitter account. They're going to be answered questions throughout the game from wraps in the league's referee replay center in Secaucus, New Jersey. I'm curious to see how it goes. I have a feeling it's not going to go very well. Because to your point fans are always gonna have some issue with the rafts, and they're not really gonna be able to have anything. Good to say about it. They're just gonna explain what they're doing. So we'll see what happens, but your point if if this happened yesterday during the championship games, I think the internet would have broken given the amount of complaining about the NBA has to hope nothing like that happens in any of their game for the rest of the season. At least where they have this feature. Ten thank you so much. Appreciate it. Up next legacy left by pioneer and embraced by athletes across boards. Wrong. One. Sportscenter six PM eastern after PTI with sage in. Kevin. They're going to look at the head coach matchup for Super Bowl fifty three. Bella check bursts McVeigh plus more on the game changing non call in the NFC championship game. And how James harden save the rocket season? Sportscenter six eastern after PTI on ESPN and the ESPN app, and we've got another big Monday double header for you on ESPN start with number nine Virginia Tech and number thirteen North Carolina seventy stern. And if I was state and the seventh ranked Kansas at the fog low both games on the ESPN app. So you can watch from anywhere. Our lives begin to end the day. We become silent about things that matter. Dr Martin Luther King said that and on this day where we honor his life and legacy that statement remains true today more than ever, athletes and sports figures across the sports landscape are picking up the mantle created by Dr king and molded by the likes of Ali, and Russell and Abdul Jabbar of refusing to be silent about things that matter to them into their communities, despite the often perilous journey of speaking their truth think about it. They have the constant dissection of every word. They say these days that to the calls of critics often telling athletes to stay in their lane. You see the beauty of that speech. Whether you like it or not is that it helps true thought grow, especially on issues. That matter it helps real discussion to happen. It creates a space for true change to occur. I think about this when Serena Williams spoke out about sexism, and double standards facing women in tennis or the Bron James and score. Of other, athletes and sports figures, speak on social Justice issues. We listen, we listen even more closely because of their celebrity, and whether we agree or not a larger discussion occurs in society opening a window to change. And here's what's key. It's not just the saying that matters and has a profound effect on society. It's in the doing just in the past year. Malcolm Jenkins says work along with the players coalition and the NFL helped pass a federal criminal Justice reform Bill into law, and then there's LeBron's I promise school in Akron aimed at boosting academic achievement for younger students from disadvantaged backgrounds. And it also guarantees a four year college education for all graduates when you really think about it. It's not just the big things it all matters. Even the smaller efforts think about this man right here. PK Suba earlier this year just simply recording a video when he heard that a young man who love the game of hockey was being racially taunted at a hockey. Tournament and he recorded this video just to show that he had his back. As long as you're still breathing in this world, you got to believe in yourself and let nobody tell you what you can and can't do especially because of the color of skin. These athletes and scores of others are part of the reason, Dr king's words and legacy live on and they exemplifies another phrase that Dr k once famously said, quote, the time is always ripe to do. What's right? All right more on that balloon. Call and a lot more coming up on Super Bowl fifty three on NFL live. It's coming up right now.

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Week 5 Recap, Dan Quinn Fired, Dak Prescott Injury

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Week 5 Recap, Dan Quinn Fired, Dak Prescott Injury

"Gm Shuffle is presented by draftkings the leader in daily fantasy sports. I'm Jon meacham author and historian I'm proud to present a brand new limited podcast documentary series called it was set. where? I guide you through ten of the most historic impactful and timeless speeches in American history. Let the word go forth. From this time and place. To friend and foe alike. Grad. But we wanted to be free now. The future will always be hours America. John McCain is generous and welcoming and old. Directed and produced by peabody nominated see thirteen original studios in association with history. It was said is now available for free on apple, podcasts spotify radio DOT COM, and wherever you listen to podcasts. Always. Ready to rock here on the GM shuffled there's lots to get to the cowboys win but just a devastating injury DAK Prescott about his gruesome as it gets also speaking of gruesome. Alex. Smith. has seventeen surgeries and he was back on the football field what a great story that is six, hundred, ninety, three days since he broke his right Tibia and fibula plus lots of great football stories I'm taking Derek Carr and Vegas is stunned mahomes, the chiefs and Chase Klay Pool Canada huge game with the Pittsburgh. steelers we'll begin Mike with news that felt like it was preordained after the start of the Atlanta Falcons. Season Falcons coach Dan Quinn an general manager Thomas to me trump southern teamster Owen five first time since one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, seven, and they get fired after loss to Carolina Panthers. So team President Richard, Mckay will take on day to day oversight of the team for d q disqualified six season. He finished his time in Atlanta a forty, three and forty two record posted back-to-back seven to nine seasons. Heading into the taking his team, the Super Bowl or the two thousand, sixteen season. He was a guy obviously known for his defense at Seattle couldn't get it done now Dmitrov, he joined the Falcons into eight was a big part of what they did since his arrival of Falcons one, hundred, nine games. But in the last six times and won the Anti Championship in two, thousand, sixteen, the Quin move we saw coming surprise. But Dmitrov also getting fired. Not at all day I, think that when Quinn before Quin got hired, the Arthur blank was contemplating making a general manager change at that point and I. Think if he would have hired a certain coach he actually told a certain coach. He could make changes to the front office if he wanted it that coach didn't interview for the job. So, and then Quinn never had the opportunity to but there was always kind of conflict between Quinn and Dmitrov Quinn came from the the school of being really aggressive and try and fix your team. A thousand different ways yo whether it's free agency whether it's on the street free agents steal a guy off the practice squad and Mitchell off the falcons were just a they're going to grade the draft. They're going to what they do. The draft picks all make the team you know we're just going to build through the draft don't WanNa really do much. They'll do free agency but to you know like they obviously have done where they've side Alex Mack and Mount Muhammed Sue but for the most part, they didn't want to engage any real They don't work players out they don't do pro personnel. So you know this this was really I think Dmitrov had been on. Thin ice for awhile down there, and so it didn't surprise me and Quinn. You know Danza a highly motivated positive energy guy but you know these these things now in the national football league you gotTa have a partnership with Guys See the vision of how personnel and coaching has to work together all in one and when you watch the Falcons I mean against the panthers I mean they just look like crap I mean they just got the ship eat out of them, Mike? Mike Davis Wearing Jonathan Storage number twenty eight for the panthers. He'd looks like Jonathan Stewart the way he was running over them and they their talent level. Always is really really like subpar I, remember. I was talking to a coach that went down there to play play them on a night game, and he was talking to the mid traffic and Dmitrov was telling him while these these two of the best teams in the League and the coach was like, yeah, I guess. So and then you know after we talked about it, he's like. How does he evaluate his team like know they're not very good. I've never thought Atlanta was very good I'll give you the perfect example ID when when New England play the land in the Super Bowl New England was fairly confident that they were going to be able to get up by three scores because they obviously didn't you know and so they practiced a bunch of two point plays in the end they needed those two point place to convert to get back in the game. But Atlanta to me has had talented players I've never felt that they were talented team 'cause I never felt like they were built as a team because they relied. So heavily on the draft. That's interesting. Look at now as far as guys who could take over the Mantle Defensive Coordinator Ray he. Often Corner Dirk both those guys head coach with the buccaneers their candidates for the interim job assistant head coach, last linebackers, coach, Jeff elbrick bottom line this so for Dan Quinn and it's a tough label Mike I get it but people are gonNA walk go yeah. That was the guy the head coach, the Falcons that blew the lead twenty eight to three and will be a head coach again, this league I doubt it definitely not right now he gets a job summers a coordinator. Rest this year out like Jason Garrett Rehab is image so to speak buildup his success Morales and maybe it gets the chance to go back to the coordinator probably DC, which is how he made his bones in Seattle and for Dmitrov again, I don't know if he gets the chance to run on a team at least anytime soon. Well, I mean you know Dmitrov whether he wants to or not I mean he's got a lot of friends in the league plus these politically connected. Really. Well Media Wise I'm sure he can. You know he'll. He'll be fine Clinton to me. You know this whole Seattle defenses kind of run its course. In the League, I've been saying this for a while and Dan really can't coordinate a defense. I. Mean we saw what happened last year at the beginning of the season when he was coordinate the defense and they basically he fired himself and he moved where he Morris over to coach the defense and they just don't really you know I mean The whole thing is if you're gonNA play Seattle's defense, you've got to be really good upfront. You GotTa have you gotTa have the ability to play in the in the back end would he have linebackers? You have to have a strong safety I can play in the box and it just doesn't work if you don't have those things. So you know I don't know if you hire Quinn what are you getting I? Mean you get a really good d line coach but that was the problem. See this is the problem in the NFL. Quinn is subjective to WHO's on staff when he has Kyle Shanahan looks like a great coach. You know when he has dirk Qatar who we fired once and brought back, right? He's not the same guy when he has Steve Sarkisian, he's not a good coach. You know when he has who's defensive coordinator you know I think what they'll do is make Jeff Albrecht that the head coach and the coordinators in place and just let them do it because. You know rich McKay's run a team I mean rich. McKay use I saw I knew he was getting fired last night when I saw Arthur blank come down on the field before before the game was over and you know usually he has usually he's he's always down there and then he had McKay with them. So I mean I said I said to my buddy but that that's it for Quin hit it's over for him it's done that's it. You know it's the end of him. So I don't know McKay's going to be the. Guy Really wants to run it and McKay's guys. Are you know he's who's he going to rely on the Houston Texans Higher Jedd Hughes to help them with their GM searched out. I. Mean Judge. Hughes. Might be you know I I. I don't get the appeal that that his firm brings to the table when you look at the track record of the people jed use higher but but now we've made this. So political on WHO's GonNa, who how they hire people I have no idea but I do know this I mean if you're going. To go work for Arthur blank your he's talking to a lot of different people and so we who we talked to in the league. Now, the League is going to influence wha how you do your job speaking politics feels like eighteen sixty four. General Sherman and company is just burning to the ground before they moved on the Falcons right now trying to strip it down to the bottom. Oh, and five terrible season maybe it'll be in the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes that could be the upside for them. You know what what they should do what? They really should do. They should do that. They should try to go for their own five. They're horrible on Defense Ryan you know besides we're GonNa talk about this later besides Philip Rivers Matt Ryan Looks Old I mean now Philip Rivers looks old squared but Matt Ryan looks like it's starting to decline he's not the same player he was and you could just see it in that game a horrible interception against Carolina in the end zone you know he's not making the same place he wants he still you know he has to rely on. Really good protection. You know Julio's hurt most of the time Calvin released a good player girly had a big day you know and and you know but how many days girly have I mean so for me, it's like why not go for travel arts you're sitting right there you're Oh and five you know like. Be a why don't we just try to rebuild the team because they're not a talented team that's the reality they're not I mean Quinn's going to get fired and he's looked at his the guy he's forty three and forty two but David overvalued really if they were company and Cavs Kohlberg Kravis, we're going to buy a company they. They were really overvalued based on the perception of the talent that. They had down there. You know they always overvalued and Matt Ryan overcame some things and they're a great skill players did but in the trenches in that offensive and defensive line, which is the essential qualities to building a franchise that can sustain success. Atlanta never did that Atlanta never had dominating offensive and defensive lines the whole time Dmitrov was down there. So for me, it's like you know you're better off. Going for Trevor Lawrence and see what you can do, tear the down star trading all the assets trade Julio before the deadline you know trade everything you know because you because by the time you get good again, Julio's dot going to be healthy somebody officer a deal you should start doing it I mean that's what I would do. Now Rich McKay ain't going to do that. No, but the Trevor Lawrence. Sweepstakes listen the giants and the jets right now combine Owen ten, the New York football just horrific and you're right one, just all the falcons in that mix as well. Speaking of Horrific Dak Prescott suffering and absolutely devastating injury. This was shortly after his first career touchdown catch and the cowboys do beat the winless New York giants thirty, seven, thirty, four, the cowboys first place, but they succeed without their quarterback. Right leg got under defensive back Logan. Ryan and appeared to snap. It was just a brutal injury if you ever watch it. But, a squeamish is you get when you're watching an Andy Dalton to come into the game he was. Cincinnati, starter for nine seasons. He signed a one year deal with DAX backup for all the eagles fans now thinking, okay. We're GONNA win the division look at Carson Wentz got hurt went down and the eagles all the way the super bowl at. Nick foles maybe Andy Dalton can bring some of that Maj, the cowboys, but first and foremost when it comes to. Dak. Take a list of what Mike McCarthy had to say coach on Dax, terrible injury I could just tell the way he went down it. It was of serious nature and. You know I trust and nutrition was his his his injury. You know look look books to maybe be serious. And then you know. Walk up on dock and right away was serious So. I just i. feel terrible for him. He was having a tremendous share just a short time. This will. Be All part of his great story is this just be another chapter in in a great story is A. Is a fine young man in outstanding quarterback. The Cowboys Defensive Line you might be lost Joe McCoy before the season even started, and now you heard him mention tristen. That's year DT Tristen Hill after a separate leg injury during the game just to brutal for Dak, and now the cowboys without their starting quarterback. Yes. It's a terrible division and yes Andy Dalton is a service of a quarterback but without your lightning rod uphill sledding for Dallas, I wish my man Mike McCarthy would have done that little bit of an English accent you know. If. He's going to be Malone. Let's be malone like seriously. They came they came after him with a knife. You come after him with the gun they break your ankle, you break their leg I mean I feel horrible for back I mean. I. Saw it. You knew exactly what happened I mean the his reaction he must be one tough son of a gun. Now man he didn't because he didn't even reach for it. He just squids design is and you could tell he broken and I feel horrible for him You know it's one of those things that hopefully it's not going. To hurt US effect is his standing next season, he's going to be able to rehab from it. You know get his legs back Il Il Il Ginger for a while, and once he gets back into the flow of the game. You know he can get back. So I I felt horrible for them and the game to me was you know this is now the cowboys have lost their starting quarterback they've lost two defensive Tackles Hill and MC Gerald McCoy they've lost to offense tackles you know in both in both Collins and And Smith I I don't know how they can keep overcoming the injuries and there are not any good on defense i. mean they made they made my man Daniel Jones say three hundred yards and you know they and they had a chance to win the game I mean the giants probably this is going to be the one team that they had a chance to win the game and and they could really stop Daniel Jones from moving the football and went down the field. Thank thankfully. Andy Dalton committed the great throw to Gallup. But for me, you know I think the only chance they have now is they have to be able to utilize Dalton skillset run the football more control the pace of the game they've got to be able to win at thirty four minutes but without to tackles, it's hard to do that as easy on paper to say, Hey, we need to run the ball more with with you know with our best player, Zeke Elliott, but then trying. To, go out there and block people with a backup tackle, terrence steel, and moving Zack Martin out to tackle you let ain't easy to do. So it's a lot harder than what you want and for the giants. Yeah. There's optimism that they they almost had a win in Dallas but look, I, think the giants right now they're twelve and forty one since the boat trip you know I'm telling you you know you didn't like Daniel Jones coming out a day hold onto that because you know. People say after the game with Daniel, Jones did some good things Danny Jones always does some good things. He always does some good things but he does a lot of bad things too and he can't play fast he can't play fast and he can't protect the ball in the pocket pickup scoop touchdown for the cowboys I mean that's the problem you know and and the offense is still they gain three hundred yards yesterday and people were acting like they got them became the the the The the the the the loss, the St Louis Rams from two thousand I mean they they act like they were unbelievable. You know and and and the clapper. You know he's still out there and everybody's saying it's just going to take time to get Daniel Jones. I think to me if the giants think the Daniel Jones is the answer, they're just going to continue to pep continue to lose because they're going to have to get better at. That position, he's a good player, he and a great player, and if you're GonNa win, you beat a great player in my view they're never gonna the validate where they drafted him and the trevor. Lord, sweepstakes continues for big blue because like I said the state of New York football now just continues to be an object mess and you gotta think by the way with regards the jets Adam gaze is also going to be on the clock. How about the rams plan well, these days Jared Goff those two, three, oh nine, two touchdowns ramp for another. The rams are now four and one they take in Washington thirty to ten. We'll get to the rim side in just a second but the good news for Washington fans is it just if you're a football fan such a good story, the fact that Alex Smith played again is his first NFL game six, hundred, ninety. Three days he broke his right Tibia and fibula nine seventeen for thirty seven yards. But just the fact he was back was big. We talked about the previous episode. GM Shuffle, Dwayne Haskins losing his job, and so Jake Allen is now the guy, the starter at least and Al's numbers nine of thirteen, seventy, four yards passing scored seven yard rushing touchdown take listener Ron Rivera what his thoughts are whether Allen will stay the starter. Took a pretty good shot and. There is there was concern on my part, and again if I put it back, he takes another big shot. Now we don't happen going forward. We got you know again as I said, this is interesting stretch for us, and if he's ready to go, he'll be are started on Wednesday. He gets injured on the HIP by Jalen Ramsey and that's why Alex Smith came into the Game Alex Smith Great Story Mike I don't have the right answer though with Alan is a starter but the rams looked awfully good. Let's Aaron Donald. Four. Sacks. Live there were clicking on offense and defense Washington at to the. Offense, they actually got worse by making the Haskins move I mean and look I, think the Alex Smith story is a wonderful story. I think it's great. I think it's a tribute to his dedication. His commitment to the game has love of the game but I don't think he belongs out there yet I don't think he's healthy. You know he had seventeen passing attempts he threw for thirty four yards. He could make a play down the field. He got the crappy out of them. The offensive line was horrible. He looked uncomfortable. He didn't look you know it's one thing to be clear to play. It's to be able to play. Yes he's cleared to play. He didn't look like he was able to play which just speaks to how bad they must think Haskins is because when Colin Powell was in the one hundred yards, they couldn't protect. They couldn't do anything and let's face it the rams eight, the sixty four packers here on defense like I know they're good but they're not that dominant that they can hold you to one hundred yards on a west coast trip I. Mean I think there's issues in. Washington. Offensively in terms of their scheme terms of coaching, you know Rahm Averroes got really look at that and it's just all. On haskins and I'm not a Haskins fan but this is proof in the pudding that just on the one quarterback. So you know they got their asses kicked. I loved the Alex Smith Story but I'm GonNa tell you a D. I. I really didn't want to take him out of the Game I. didn't feel like he was ready to play and CA- play at a high level and could compete at the highest level. That's an excellent point right. But that distinction about being able to play him being cleared to play because it's scary man you seventeen surges imagine if he gets hurt again I mean it's It's really tough to see but you're right. That's Zim focused positive aspect. You know he's a grown man he wants to out there. Okay. Fine. That's good news but Rivera's worried about Kyle Allen and saying he was worried about I. Mean it was watching was he watching Alex Smith Play today? I, was an Alex. Smith look bad I mean he he hasn't played in forever I. Understand all that right I get all that right. But I'm talking about just innate juice in his body. You know when you watch Philip. Rivers when you watch Matt Ryan and when you watch. A. Alex Smith. You don't see guys that are moving with juice in their body. You just don't see it, and this is a hard game the play unless you're a hundred percent of the position of quarterback well said, and Washington listen that thought going to Al was the answer at least for week it was not a rams clearly overwhelmed them speaking of overwhelming the chiefs. At Arrowhead with Patrick Mahomes, they lose to Derek Carr Las Vegas I mean what a stunning performance there is car the Raiders Goto till they win forty, two, thirty, two bolts go like gangbusters forty eight points scored in the first-half car had three touchdowns in the first half mahomes able to find success multiple ways as well. Ultimately, Derek Carr three hundred, forty, seven yards passing three touchdowns in outplayed Patrick mahomes every week, you'll be some surprises. Here Mike and this was a surprise the fact that they're able to do this I mean they Las. Vegas is passed by the way manhandled Casey's offensive line, and that's why they're able to win this game. The offense was huge for the defense stepped up need be granted to John Ruining Company take a listen a grew on how the raiders contained comes amid. If you look at the the number of scrambles at Mahomes had today. The effort that we had to try to get him I know we didn't do a great job of getting a ground. This is this is. As hard as it gets, you don't have many substitutes available. All we had was five or six guys left and Mahomes is a great scrambler and he made us pay several times today but it was enough in the end Casey Franchise record thirteen game winning streak over surprise the weekend Mike no Doubt Levin penalties for Kansas City got called for holding holdings back in the NFL again and Gruden's right look you can't disguise running around back there but here's where I think the raiders. Did exactly what you had to do. They had the ball twenty minutes in the second half. The chiefs only had ten minutes. So it's a lot easier to scramble and chases ass when you only got to do it for ten as opposed to doing it for fifteen or twenty. So they control the ball they're seven for fourteen on third down they made big place down the field. They did exactly what you had to do they. They kept that game close and it's a little. Bit like when you play the chiefs, it's a little bit like playing tennis when you get the advantage on the serve and you go up by a score and you get the ball back again and they don't close you gotTa, score again 'cause you gotta try to buffer to score lead you gotta be able to win when you're serving the ball and that's what they did. They did a great job the raiders offense of lying kicked, ass they were able to control the line. Of Scrimmage Hey I'm hard on car but car may grey throws down the field and he attacked a chief team and they were able to run and Gruden did a great job calling the game and keeping them off balance and keeping their team on the silent. What's the best way to play defense in the National Football League play less defense? They played ten minutes defense. In the second half you played to anybody place ten minutes a defence of the second half you're GONNA win. And look the chiefs they got. They got punched in the mouth by the Patriots. The Patriots really beat themselves to chieftain didn't beat them and then they come back and play like this. So the chiefs are not exactly playing at the optimum level right now and their offensive line when it gets called for when they're gonNA call holding and he starts running around back there. Then then you got a chance to win the game, but they don't call holding against the chiefs. You don't really have much of a chance. They did yesterday we come back in the GM shuffle whether best division of football could be the AFC north plus the dolphins route the forty niners dischord forty, seven points stunning Dunkel anywhere. The UEFA Champions League is back with every match streaming, CBS? All Access Messy Rinaldo Neymar icons today, but the next generation is not far behind. Don't miss the drama of the world's most prestigious tournament combined with the world class coverage of CBS sports. GO TO CBS DOT COM SLASH UC L. to start your free trial today. The UEFA Champions League there's nothing like it. Sounds shock the Philadelphia Eagles lose with the Pittsburgh steelers do behind a prolific offense and the Canadian Chase Klay pull the rookie steps up huge guy four touchdown seven catches a hundred and ten receiving yards six rushing yards. Unbelievable performance from him and the steelers, our four. nope. The first time since nineteen seventy, nine eagles listen their offense at least performed better this time Mike Carson Wentz did have a couple of interceptions but let's talk first about Chase Klay Pool coming out party for the young man out of Notre Dame, unbelievable I mean they line them up all over outside you know he's a big guy who could run coming out in the draft. A lot of people thought he might be a tight end thought he might be inside matchup tight end, but he's proven he can make plays on the outside. And he wore out every eagle corner and everybody Philadelphia's all upset about you know he lined up, they went empty on third and eight they went up the on third and eight and the they got the eagles to check and the Mike Linebacker Gary got a carry the inside receiver down the Middle Field. It's a mismatch it's horrible check it's bad. You can't really win like that and they ended up getting called on it and they throw a and he throws a touchdown pass Eagles lose but we're I want to talk about and I think we gotta play the sound I before I i. WanNa know why the hell, Doug? Peterson. Try to fifty seven yard field goal like it just blows my mind these teams that don't try field goals and then they try these ridiculously long field goals and think they're going to win. So go ahead Joe Roll the tape just a opportunity I mean felt so comfortable where we were on a field obviously now's the tough situation to be you know in that fourth and long situation there and and you know well within jake's range to kick the goal and and Yeah. Was it to provide context Mike the Eagles are trailing by. Thirty one at twenty, nine, it was a fourth of five. They try that fifty-seven yards they miss the steelers went the other way clay bought his fourth touchdown go ahead I mean, well, within his range fifty-seven, I mean, when does fifty-seven become range like seriously what is that fricken range when when does that happen I missed that somebody missed that memoir I didn't get that fucking one like when is a fifty seven yard field goal range right and then fourth and four he's Mr Gopher on any fourth-down possible right so okay you're young coach you're in this situation you can learn from Peterson right. There's three I think there was three twenty seven to go in the game. It's fourth and four you're down thirty, one to twenty nine. You've got three timeouts here your options I can punt, pin them back, get the ball back. It forces them if I pundit forces them into four minute, right it forces them in a four-minute they're gonNA try to grind out first downs but if I can just stop them once, I'll get the ball back win the game on a field goal because they'll be really less time. So that's my one option. My second option is to go for it. Okay. What am I? Right four, thousand four. My chances are probably about, let's say fifty percent. Okay try fifty seven yard field goal right. So let's get this straight the average make of an NFL field goal going into the weekend was thirty seven yards the average miss of a field goal going into the weekend was forty seven yards. So now if you just look at those three. A. B. and C. kicking the field goal has to be the worst option of the three by odds. If you went for it on fourth down I, get it because at least wins could scramble around maybe make a play you can you know the ball's not going back seven yards from where you try were it was the line of scrimmage so you don't give the steelers a free seven yards right if you Pinot and you don't get the ball back, you can say look. We played, we played it exactly how we to play it. They were going to go into four minute we needed to stop them we need a one-stop and we get the ball back. We win the game. What he did was basically give them an extra field goal, and of course, naturally they got the touch, it might be one of the worst and this has been going on in Philly all year. First of all, he doesn't try the field goal in one game. Now, he tries it like it almost as. The year he went to the super. Bowl. He was going for it on fourth down and whoever was telling them to do that stop talking doorbell. Like seriously like what the hell is going on like, why would you do that? It's certainly frustrating by the way, I wanted to know how many. How many illegals pads on the Eagles Post game show there oh well, they're all in Philly they want they want Schwartz fire that everybody can boil down a loss to one play right? Everybody can boil down. First of all, you know the Eagles Defense was horrendous and I've said this free for all their linebackers may be the worst linebackers in all of. Football, right I don't care with pro football focus grades them. They are the worst linebackers all football. All right. So that's a be you know they. They weren't able to get any rush big Ben who I didn't think was playing at the highest level played really good yesterday and then they couldn't cover capable they'll have anybody cover play pool sleigh couldn't cover them. They paid all this money for sleigh. He couldn't cover them. You know and they're a matchup team. So they don't take the corners and trail him in there. It don't Wentz played his best game. He's still threw two interceptions. He played his best game. They still threw two interceptions. They scored twenty nine points on the on the on the Pittsburgh steelers. You score twenty nine on Pittsburgh, you should have a chance to win. That's a lot of points to score. So raise legal pads, he's got to go through them. I didn't hear I didn't listen to what he thought about the goal. Everybody wants Schwartz fired in Philadelphia Yeah when a fire Schwarzen-, philly now come. A year later come talk to me. Please come talk to me that. Yeah because that's when it's all going to go down the hill. What's going on right now is the Cleveland browns are back baby I mean I play against an NFL's number one defense in the colts Baker Mayfield of season I tour of forty seven years in two touchdowns myles Garrett forcing a crucial safety. The browns beat the colts thirty to twenty three. The browns are four and one. That's right for the first time. Since nineteen ninety four this is not pulp fiction when that movie was in theaters are the Shawshank redemption came. Up Ninety four or the Lion King. That's all in this has of Cleveland four won't to begin the season Mayfield steps up big I want to focus first on Philip Rivers Mike Thirty eight years old. He might as well be Methuselah twenty one of thirty, three for two, hundred, forty, three yards. But a couple of picks he makes history he starts his tour twenty ninth consecutive game which ties with the Hall of Fame Lineman Bruce Matthews second longest league history. He also becomes the fifth quarterback with five thousand career completions but as you teased earlier, he looks old now take a listen head coach Frank Reich. Obviously. Had you know the one picks sex but filled at a ton of good stuff in my opinion, I've got to watch the film but he made some plays he made some throws. You go down on I try, and then we put together another long drive and end up with a field goal I taught in that regard Jefferson it at the end. Know. Obviously, you would like to have that one back. So thought he did a lot of good things sounds like coast speak Mike, Defend rivers, knows it wasn't as best day look I have great respect for Frank. Right I think he's a tremendous coach but I, think he's I think he's got binders on I. Think he's got. He's got too much love for. His confirmation bias, he can't see the obvious and the obvious Philip rivers can't play the obvious Philip Burs can't move. I said on visa I I like the colts and I did we talked about it on the pot on Friday I liked the colts but I thought this was going to be a game for Philip rivers to either tell us he's a really good player. Philip rivers is a good player I said this on visa on Sunday morning if he's really a good Player, he'll move the ball effectively against us a browns team even without Costanzo at left tackle, he'll be able to throw the ball against browns defense. We saw Joe Borough throw the ball effectively on that. We know you can throw the ball on this browns defense. Okay. So this was game where he had a play well, he couldn't make mistakes I mean he's got to be a he's got to be the smartest guy I've ever seen in my life like he's complaining that the. The safety wasn't wasn't grounded. Yes, it was. He's complaining throws the ball in the middle he to me what I watch him, it brings me back you site nineteen, ninety four as the last time the browns before one while I was the personnel director of the Browns team that year and we had gotten rid of Bernie Kosar and it reminds me Philip Rivers reminds me of Bernie Kosar no arm no arm strength whatsoever right and can't move and that's a bad combination. Because what happens now is the field shrinks and I love Philip rivers as a human being I love his competitive nature I love everything about I would want Philip rivers on my team. I don't want the old Philip rivers. I want the Young Philip Rivers I. Think they're better off with Jacoby perset and I think frank rights going to have to take an honest pill. He's GonNa have to go in there, and just because he he put all his chips in one. In one basket he wants he wanted Philip rivers he got Philip Rivers. Now he can't lie to himself about Philip Rivers. This is you can't make the mistake twice. Philip Rivers Inc. going to be able to beat the good teams. He's got a beep. He's not going into Pittsburgh and beat Pittsburgh I could just you that defensive front will cause to much problems make a move off the spot he's not going to be Baltimore he's not going to be Kansas City. You know he's not going to beat New England because doing little Russia in the right way and no matter what frank does their defense isn't as good as the numbers are because their defense can get worn down they're small. You know they don't have the same effect. They're good. They play hard all that they played much better in the second half but for me this starts and ends with Philip rivers and Reich's. Decision to to double down and say coachspeak that he did a lot of good things out. There is really he's insulting our intelligence you know Michael he's he's Carlo. He's insulting our intelligence because he didn't do a lot of good things out there if he would have done a lot of good things out there, they wouldn't have trailed. It's a kickoff return that got him back in the game plus they got an interception. Right away they were right back in that game. And rivers can't make any place. Now you have a situation in the AFC north three teams, three wins. Okay. The Ravens we expected to be division champion steelers Dick Yeah that could be Walker team. The browns are right there in the mix I mean those three teams, Mike, it's easy to go y'all come comm from Baltimore Pittsburgh was really good but the browns at four one you gotta take him seriously now. No I think they definitely do because they can run the football right and if you don't rush feel the certain way, they've got skilled players and I think Steve Inskeep done a really good job. Now the thing is you you Gotta Make them play from behind? There are a little bit like Minnesota. Last year if you can make them play from behind, you could make him become part of the focal point where they can't run the ball on you. But when they balanced and they can run all those boots and naked and get him outside with the skill players that they have. They're dangerous and look I'm not a huge Mayfield fad but mayfield in the right scheme this game is the right scheme from by far. It's the most perfect scheme for Mayfield and he'll succeed in this as long as they can play from in front and with Garrett ability to rush the passer. When they're in front, they can create turnovers, they can create mistakes with the offense so they set up that they're going to play A. Big Boy Pants on they got to go into Pittsburg and they're gonNA have to play a hard game down there because that's not a place that's usually to the Cleveland browns but they do it. Now, they're not gonNA be able to run the ball. This is GonNa be the litmus test in this game nobody really runs the ball on Pittsburgh Philadelphia had the big Ron Miles Sanders, took it seventy four to the house. But for the most part, you can't really run the ball on them, and if the browns can't run the ball and if they get behind it a game like they did in Baltimore, it'll be a tough game, but you gotTA respect Cleveland for the four-game. Win. Streak yeah. Exactly. It's been lean years the browns for so many years as we all know. So enjoy it while you can. We get the awards coming out but one more game we want to touch on and again speaking of stunners Ryan Fitzpatrick Call Me Fitz three, hundred, fifty yards and three touchdowns. The dolphins just hammer the defending champion San Francisco Forty niners that's the third straight home loss to open the season forty three to seventeen I mean this is stunning Jimmy Garoppolo now back in the game and then they got questions at quarterback got pulled the Hatorah throwing two interceptions he'd missed the previous two games the sprained ankle, but I think it was the right move. and CJ beathard comes in. He did throw a touchdown pass. It wasn't nearly enough but they went from thinking okay. Garoppolo's Guy Hey you know what? Maybe Mullah's known CJ bathroom actually backup to now Kashan an answering questions about pulling Jimmy G. I mean just the way the whole game was going i. mean just kind of watching how we were playing as a whole how he was playing You could tell he was affected by Ankle I. Mean you can ask him more when. He gets in but I know he doesn't throw the ball that way and I think he was struggling a little bit because of it and the way the game was going that I wanNA keep putting them in those positions and no one. We're GONNA have to throw it a lot to come back I. mean there's bad losses their bad losses, Mike this is a combination. It lose the dolphins like this. Yeah. I mean look here's the reality is on this and right so. Everybody's focused on Jimmy San Francisco can't play defense anymore I mean when they don't have Bosa when they don't have buckner, you know when they don't have all those defensive Lineman, it ain't the same defense because they can't cover anybody. They're not the same team and the week before Miami Plates San, Francisco, they just play. They were wearing Seattle uniforms. So Ryan Fitzpatrick had an opportunity to really practice against the team, and then they just basically took that game plan that they ran against Seattle they cleaned it up they made the changes they need to make and they just. went out there and just kicked ass and you know if you're kyle right now you're defensing good enough. You're going to have to go into the Jon Gruden. We got hold the ball thirty five minutes and that's been really hard and Garoppolo played like Shit. His ankle may be the reason it may not be I don't know but they have not gotten really good quarterback play in the last three weeks last week against Philadelphia they didn't get it this week they didn't get it but the real issue is they can't play defense. This is what I've said all along about. Everybody wants Roberts. Slide to be a head coach. He's probably you know what dropper sly is is Dan Quinn what you're GonNa get us the Dan Quinn scheme. And if the talent is really good upfront, you're going to be okay what you'll love. Robert. Salah. If the talent is not good, you won't he's going to have to be dependent on what he's going to get for his coordinators. That's all you. What you're getting is Dan Quinn two point. Oh if you hire him now maybe he's going to be better than I don't think. So because this is the only scheming and he doesn't make any adjustments within the scheme. So it's really a challenge. So you know I mean the niners problems have always for me have always been their defense. I've always felt there too generic defensively. I've always felt they needed to do more and they got away with it because they're so dominant upfront. And the last ten minutes of the superbowl they weren't dominant up front they got toasted and so far. This season because of injuries ain't dominant anymore. Yeah. 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Now he's back in charge of the football operation and their owner listens two thousand people so Whenever an owner listened to that many people. It's never going to be good. Remember they never dedicated a monument to a committee. You know I Mike, Zimmer I I don't know why he didn't kick the field goal. Not Male will hill who's on visa with me you know he's the Anti. Field. Goal kicking guy of all time you know he wants to always go for it but you got four th and one you're up six right air up five. If you kick the field goal I know Russ gets the ball back right I understand that the twenty five but Russ Dolly has to score a touchdown. Russ has got to make a two point and you still have a life after that. You still have a life after that you still go on. Like at some point is not the the object of this strategy isn't to just make it. Oh, give your team to win the game. It's give your team the best chance to win the game if he goes forward and he gets it well, we scored touchdown we're GONNA win the game right there. Great right but you got three you got three automatically you take and you're guaranteed overtime. Because they can't run a four point play to beat you. They can't run a three point play. You're guaranteed to get the game to overtime. I'd rather have this overtime than be flying back to Minnesota with a one point loss. Wouldn't you? Absolutely I? Mean that's just it's frustrating all over the place and that's why. I will we'll get to more russ in a second I want to do the Fred Palermo award this game planning and it's easy to say, yeah the offense stepped up for Miami to look at that. San. Francisco team and exploit them that that. Well, I mean the hats off to the dolphins for that game plan the Fred Player mole word no doubt I mean they duped them I mean you know and you if you're if you're the forty niners defense, you had to know this was. Going to be a hard game for because, you can't cover their receivers. You really didn't have anybody for Jelenski. You'd have anybody to cover the tight end. You don't. You don't have anybody really to cover their parker on the outside you know and give Brian you know give Brian of flurries credit I mean they're just constantly they they. They might suffer some tough losses but they bounced back there resilient and for Kyle he was going to be a man gave they put pressure on the quarterback. Give. MIAMI. Credit that's a that's a huge win that go out there beat San. Francisco especially when San Francisco's coming off a ugly loss, you think everybody thinks San Francisco's GonNa Reba. Me San Francisco's a nine and a half point favorite in the game and get beat get beat outright let's do if you don't know now you know go back to your point but Russell Wilson getting the ball plus penalties back it penalties are back there's no doubt I mean penalties are back and and look I don't WanNa. Give See. Here's what I don't understand is if I don't get the fourth in. One. I give Russell Wilson the ball back with a chance to beat me I'd rather give Russell Wilson the ball back with a chance to tie me the worst I can tell these guys in the locker room fellas. All it took was we needed to make just one play and in that drive. So let's be clear in that DR HE CONVERTS A. Fourth and ten down the field that make makes it unbelievable play under throws it by three yards, dancers past him and he makes a then the touchdown pass was fourth and ten, and it was fourth goal when he makes that place. So he converts to plays on that drive alone right and then he would have had to convert a two point play. I would rather have taken my chances with that and look the players in the room and say Fellas, we gave it everything we have we just make one plate, and then you know what we get the ball over time and we drive down to score when the game. I mean there's one thing about being. You know a and really trying to win and being ambitious and taking chances and not being conservative and all that crap. There's nothing about being smart. The job of a head football coach is to avoid losing. That's the first job he's got to do. He's got to avoid losing. He's got a work on all the things that prevents his team from losing. So that means I'M NOT GONNA I'm GonNa work on tackling. I'M GONNA work I'll make sure we don't turn the ball over I'm GonNa work on third down in the Red Area I'm gonNA. Work on third down defense the ready I'm GONNA work on. I'm GonNa work out all the things that I avoid losing, and then I go out there on Sunday and I and I don't convert a fourth one and I don't know if that's not avoiding losing and I don't give a crap all these people say, well, you should have no big deal. The Guy ran the wrong web. It's it's crap. You owe it to the guys in your locker room to at least give them a chance to make one play they win the game the. Worst that was going to be was going to be an overtime game in the bottom line is the seahawks are now under because of Minnesota, and that decision making, we'll get football a seconds do quick preview, but I want to talk about the Lakers here, Mike the NBA they pulled off the bubble amused amazing. No positive tests, the sacrifices made by the players, the coaches, etc. The obviously did a great job pulling it all together and Lebron. James He wins his fourth title and four finals MVP. He's the first person, three finals BP's with three. Different teams the Lakers win a record-tying Seventeenth Championship Dan Patrick to said earlier that you know when it comes down to a stats and awards and longevity Lebron's going to be the greatest player of all time I. Mean this is Chiba to win two titles of the heat to bring it back to club. Do it the Lakers and yes Anthony Davis formidable but Lebron's MVP I. Mean it's remarkable. How great this guy is honestly I it really is, and he does it really ever seems like he's lost anything he's you know he's put so much. Emphasis on his body and keep himself in shape that it's kind of remarkable that he plays the game at the highest level with each year. He doesn't ever seem like there's been any decline in his Blais and he can still play tons of minutes. He still has bounced made so much for those people that are talking about the you know the time management and We. You know we gotta have got to control the players and you know all that load management bullshit that we hear. You know I know Lebron takes some days off in terms of that. But shit his even when he's taken time from not playing a game, he still working out. So yeah and I don't WanNa hear this shit that it's not us it's not. An Astros next to this, right I I don't give a shit if they would play this game in a playground in New York or if they have played it in with home crowds or when you go seven games in any series, seven games, the best team always wins. It may come down to the shot like a Toronto beat the seventy sixers and the goddamn thing about seventy two times. But they were the better team. They were the better team the went to seven. They were the better team you go to seven and you play I don't give a shit where you play what you do your the better team in the Lakers proved that they were the better team. Yeah. There's no doubt about the Lakers were the better team and. Excuse me like I said hats off the Lakers and the entire league. Adam they pull off ratings were down by the way. It's been a story for lose people who follow sports media but honestly, it's an election year you get football back baseball there's a lot going on right now. So I get the fact that the rains down a little bit unless listen I did miss the crowd. There's no question about it Mike and the NBA finals especially in the platform and you. Get these great runs right? You Missing Jack Nicholson I'm sure that was a part of it. Rains dental little bit who cares we get to watch basketball and it was fun to have it back I want to squeeze in a Monday night football preview chargers and saints charges one and three saint to into how about this story why receiver Michael Thomas has been ruled the after reportedly punching team-mate Chauncey? Gardiner Johnston practice practice. We're talking about practice I mean that's inexcusable. Yeah I mean. I've heard there's a lot of things going on that locker room that is it really good I'm not sure everybody's on the same page, but you know they came out the next week and they played really well they beat Detroit Detroit and so you know now they have a challenge against the chargers. One thing I will say about this game is Atlanta whenever they go into the warlords in the Dan. Quinn scheme, which is what Gus Bradley runs for the chargers that typically has given them. Some problems it has and I think herber can make some plays I think he'll attack these corners, Keenan Allen, but you always worry about a close game with the chargers I do know this the chargers always play to the level. You know if this game was against the Bengals or if this game was against the jets. The chargers might playwright to level I. think they'll probably play their game tonight. I would lean towards the charges in the points because I think that they'll. They'll play their best game of the season if they had and if and if Bosa can put some pressure and they tackle really well, that's the one thing the chargers defense does is tackle really well when you're playing against the saints, you gotTa Talk Really Well because you know he's GonNa throw a check down that's disturbed when it comes to money and they've football also Tuesday don't want to get into it all Mike but the bills for no, the titans. Three. No this Titan Situation I think the last number I. So was twenty three positive tests the Patriots Irish get moved a little bit. Every has all this hand wringing as far as like Oh my God the season's on the edge of despair listen it's GonNa. Be Awkward There's movement there's any games at times you not only us to there may be weeks to the season like anybody who thought was gonna be smooth season as an idiot of course, it's going to be influx. Of course, it's going to be changes after the titans and bills listen for CBS's hidden you get football on a Tuesday night they're thrilled. CBS. GonNa show love after up. I mean seriously I mean I saw CBS running eighty. They were running three movies they were running a I saw the advertisement one of them was Ferris Buehler's Day off they were like repeat movies like seriously the CBS would be happy to show a game a week. Are you kidding me I mean look I've taken the attitude that I'm not worried. I'm not a schedule maker like I. Got Enough Faith in the NFL they'll figure out the schedule I love twitter they got thousand fucking schedule makers on twitter everybody knows what to do right except when they're at their their job, they can't do their job very well, but they can do everybody else's job really well. Like I'm GonNa leave that alone just tell me the games that are going to be played this week and I'll pay attention I don't know how the titans handle the bills the bills are playing really well, the titans have in practice, right? So like houses the titans need execution, they need reps there about there are running game, they're about an execution. Based team now they got into I've had a couple of practices before you know we'll see I don't know how well the titans do on defense I think the bills can move the ball on. There's no doubt about that. But one thing if you're going to play the bills, you need to be able to keep their offense off the field because they're. Playing so well, and that's what I think the titans will do a good job of the game. So look I'm loving it. I'm not watching love after lockup I'm going to watch the game speaking of what you're watching dealer's choice here have you had a chance to watch fargo at all the new season four episodes in Chris Rock is fabulous that show is such a unique sensibility and it's got that off kilter humor I mean it's a great crime show set in the fifties Kansas City. He'd be ahead a chance to watch any of it so far I have and I'm really pissed off I've been to episodes and I'm really pissed off that the Italians would treat the kid to a peanut. Butter Sandwich like we're better than that like seriously we're better than that like we don't give bad food out like that's bad portrayal like you can make us do a lot of things but there's no way we're putting the kid up there with the Irish guy and put them in the attic and giving a peanut butter sandwiches I would think we'd. Have, know we'd have all sorts of spreads up there for the kid I are protesting that writing of that like maybe we're not treating them go maybe he's up in the attic but God damn. You know he's going to have sausage and peppers he's going to have lasagna. He's GonNa have a whole fucking meal insulted by that that's not who we are. Who we are as people, we're going to give you good food. We might treat you like shit or give you good food, right How about the scene episode one the gigantic Fart I mean just incredible flatulence and then the. Gun shoots the guy that only Mike. You could see that Fargo it's so funny and so strange demented as it takes a serious turn that is rushed to the hospital I mean it so good in the nurse who just on a suddenly you know she manipulates her way out is getting prosecuted for murder and she's got the power of the pen. I'm going to write this that I've only two in. You know I've watched the vowel too. So like at some point, they gotta conclude the vow like they're just stringing me along here at some point like I. Love these shows I was telling my man bill that he we're talking about the other day is like these shows millionaire Washington they they put episodes in that they could have to episodes of one episode out of two things right? Like give me less. Don't give me more like. You're. You're stringing this thing out I like Fargo. I'm going to stick with Fargo I gotta go to the vow to get through that. You know what I did. Watch that nurse that ratchet was pretty good. It was like a John Irving novel when you watch it, you need to watch. It's it's strange. It's different. It had it had a good ending to it. It was good and the scenery's great. It's Monterey California in the forties and fifties I mean, that's what I love about about. Fargo is the settings I mean. It must have been a fortune that show I agree with you the cinematography and the way that they replicate that era those old school cars, the dress, the hats I mean it's at the FIDORA's and I. Really, do get swept up of that world. My wife enjoyed ratchet I I like to John Irving cop if it's like the world according to Garp or cider house rules I mean great author, and by the way speaking of less is more I want to talk this with the on Thursday is posted instagram. As always you can check out Mike's a daily coach. If you want to improve your thought process and decisionmaking wall becoming more creative, you must read the book, the Almanac of naval ravaged. So that's we're GONNA discuss next time on shuffle along with their picks for the coming week of football. Thanks as always for listening you check us out on twitter and instagram 'em Lombardi NFL adding S for. Also, instagram we appreciate the support. We'll talk again soon.

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 145 - QFTA John Mozeliak's Comments About Lambert

The Tim McKernan Show

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 145 - QFTA John Mozeliak's Comments About Lambert

"Yes. Yes. Welcome into another dish, the mckernan show on the inside of steel podcast network. I'm your host Timothy Michael McCartney. We're in the hormone expert dot com studios, and it's questions from the audience day. And I love questions from the audience day as I say every time we have questions from the audience day. It's just me in the microphone Jack just me in the microphone, Jack and got some good questions today. So I'm looking forward to getting into them. And and I guess for those of you because it seems like the the vast majority of the questions that I get are kind of Saint Louis region Centric and both of these questions that we are going to attempt to Akyl today are Saint Louis region Centric, so for those of you who like that. That's what you will get this my opinion inevitably it will lead to some Banti ISM it in. And I think we'll get Bantea some from quote unquote, both sides, although I'm not necessarily talking about democrat Republican. I'm just kind of talking about like factions of Saint Louis so to speak so it's a no win play. But that's that's fine. I'm essentially a gentleman who exists in my base. -ment? So these are my opinions, and it doesn't mean that I want to attack you if you don't share my opinions, although I imagine I'll get attacked because you don't share mine, but that's the nature of the piece sometimes and social media and impersonal conversations via Email. So it goes either way I'm glad that we have the opportunity to discuss them and in do so in an unfiltered manner, and it's all provided because people like Ryan Kelly, the home loan expert dot com who sponsors the podcast and has since the very beginning. Thank you Ryan Kelly. Thank you for making this podcast possible podcast. That has doing interviews with what I would say are pretty big name guests in the Saint Louis area and even beyond Saint Louis this week and last week of the rare to part of the first ever to partner with young page views, a Saint Louis native, Ben Freedman of barstool, and and coming up Wesley bell, the newly elected Saint Louis prosecuting attorney, Dan, dear door, the pro football hall of Famer slash broadcaster. Along with a bunch of interviews here with it at this point. We've talked with damn near everybody that I've wanted to talk to and we started the thing, you know, ranging from governor Jay Nixon Senator Jack Danforth Bill the wit, Tom Stillman two hall of famers. Whether they be members of the cardinals or blues or soon to be hall of famers in the case of members of the St Louis Rams with Isaac Bruce. So the producers of the program have done an incredible job. And we have those for you every Sunday night. And then we have the questions from the audience on Wednesdays. And then the pick six podcast, which is our football picked podcast. And even though I kind of you this the podcast is like, yeah, we're just guessing and flipping coins, and hitting I gotta tell you something not because it's me. But because I've got a guy who legitimately studies the stuff I'm like sixty one percent. I think against the spread. And I went six in this past week and producer. Joe went six and this past week and even g unit and now. There is a fade g unit t shirt out there. He went four and two. So now inevitably what's going to happen. Now is that we're on this heater of going a combined show sixteen in two and Joe, and I go a combined twelve know that we will have a disastrous weekend coming up, but Joe's like fifty six or seven percent against the spread. Now, sixty sixty one percent against the spread. That's that's really good. But again, I want to make it clear. I got credit my guy because I you know, one of my picks was Kansas against Kansas state this past weekend. I wouldn't know the first thing about picking Kansas. But hey, he's been on it. God bless him guys on a heater. So anyway, there's the schedule here on the Tim mckernan show. And now we're doing a hot stove show with Dan McLaughlin once a week. It's a separate project. But you can watch it on Facebook live, and you can watch it on periscope on Twitter, and we'll do that twice a week starting in spring training. But once a week now through the end of January and with this off season having so much anticipation and some. Anxiety. I think for cardinal fans. I think it's a good thing that we're going to be doing this because there seems to be news throughout the course of the off season, and Dan, and I will be able to break it down and chats with people on Facebook live and on periscope. So follow the hot stove show on Twitter with me, and Dan McLaughlin, and you could follow it also on Facebook. And that's where you'll be able to watch it. Plus, we put the podcasts of each one of our episodes up on our respective podcasts. Mind, the one you're listening to the Tim Kernan show in Dan's scoops with Danny MAC. So that's what we got going on. In addition to a week from Friday night the night after thanksgiving Friday night, Dan, McLaughlin, and I have a sweet for the blues and predators game. Now that Friday night after thanksgiving is always a pony in Saint Louis because people come town for the holiday weekend. And so now, you can hang out in a sweet. And we what we have is an all inclusive setup. We have a private bartender our own personal bartender. We have gourmet food it starts ninety minutes before the game. And and we have a suite for the blues and for the predators. 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And ideally, some of your friends looking forward to that. So get your tickets at event, bright dot com. And in addition, I should make make note of this. That were in the Ryan Kelly homeowner expert dot com studios, and you know, I know James Carlton's been a sponsor for the the the very beginning of the the show, and that's great. It's lovely to have sponsors because without sponsors. We don't have a show. But the thing that I would wanna point out to people is this that I have made the switch to James Carlton. And so therefore now I can speak to you from a firsthand experience with James Carlton state farm insurance agent three one four nine six one forty eight hundred or online at Carlton insurance dot net. And so I got together with James now that I've switched to him, and this is just a personal anecdote, but it conveys how good he is at his job were sitting there having lunch, and this is just last week not even a week ago. And and he brings a bunch of notes. He said, listen, he goes, you really have good coverage. But you're missing one thing. And he told me what it was. I don't know if I should go into what it was not a huge deal. What does he didn't have it? But you know to go into any os. I really think that you ought to you ought to get this. And here's why and he laid it out. And I'm what I was thinking was well, yeah, you're right. I should. But what I was thinking is. Wow. I can't believe that. I didn't have this coverage. And that is why James is different than everybody else. He is an active partner as your insurance agent. I think I would imagine almost everybody listening has an insurance agent. But it's probably somebody, you know. And you just kind of like, yeah. I gotta get insurance was a matter. You know? But here's the difference with him. It's it's the service. It's the knowledge of the industry and just that right there. I switched for a reason. And it wasn't like, hey, I'll advertise if you switch to me. It was I I've seen him in an action he handled one thing force, and it was handled. So well that I thought my responsibilities to my wife and my son. I gotta do what's best for us. And not, you know, just stick with somebody's. Because that's what we've been doing forever in James is gonna put us in a better spot. And that's why we did it is number three one four nine six hundred forty one hundred or go online at Carlton insurance dot net, James Carlton, if your insurance costs a leg and arm, then call James Carlton state farm. All right. Two topics today. And I'm looking forward to getting into the both even though I am -ticipant a negative reception to either or both of them. But so so it goes, it's what what's what I really think. And so that's what I will say one thing is is more of a fan page thing. Because. It got into our Q and A, which if you haven't listened to as I said it's on. It's it's one of the podcasts here on the Tim occur and show the Tim occuren- endemic Laughlin QNA presented by bud slick with John Zarrella in this gentleman road on the fan page. I'm usually a lurker, but I have a mini rant based on the discussion about the lack of Lambert flights being a possible small contributor players not signing with the cardinals. And this was in reference to what John Zarrella said he talked about the airport being an issue specifically. And I think in a way it was kind of like a throwaway comment, but he did say that it would help if there were more direct flights, and there was a reaction from the audience when he said it kind of like laughter and like, oh, man. I can't believe he said that. And this gentleman says I've heard this lack of direct flights. Brought up a number of times over the years on the show. With regard to your average person flying. Does don't get this complaint at all in the past few years? I flown direct. And then he. This a number of cities where are these mysterious cities that people can't get a direct flight to hate on Lambert main terminal you want for being a ghost town late at night from what I can tell south west is thriving here. Opening more and more gates in terminal two, and they have a ton of direct flight options are people just dead set on flying American or something and then get upset when they don't have a direct somewhere. They wanna go or they booking last minute. And the director sold out to the TV networks force employs take the cheapest possible flight option, which ends up being the one with two layovers direct. I just don't get the complaint otherwise. So I appreciated the way he phrased it because he you know, I mean, so many times we're talking about a topic. We don't know so much, and I think when you're coming from a place of seeking an answer or seeking information. Your question will be received better if it doesn't come off with some kind of what you usually see on social media. No at all. And then like an attack on either a person or. P a group of people who have one view that you don't particularly share. So I appreciate that. And is somebody who with both TMA, but I guess more. So with this podcast have been who's been lucky enough to interview, you know, government leaders in the area. It's a conversation. That's come up a few times here on the show regarding Lambert. I I know recently, I can't recall with whom but I feel like I can picture the person the privatization of Lambert, certainly being a topic. But Lambert is was Joe Straus may rest in peace when a his favorite topics. So here, here's where I know that I'll lose some people. But but it comes from a good place. And then I'll then I will give you my a response to what the gentleman wrote because I spent a good amount of time on it, even though I know it won't be received real well in L explain why don't think it will be received. Well, so here. For whatever reason. And I don't know why this is, but the way things are at this particular moment in Saint Louis history, and it is in my opinion, substantially different than thirty years ago. And then if you wanna take thirty years off that and then go back into the fifties substantially different from where Saint Louis was we're in a weird spot because as I've said a number of times, I would by Saint Louis if it were a stock at this point, and there's two ways to take that in both ways apply to my statement. You don't buy stock. When you think it's value is at its highest that would be a bad by you buy stock when you think it's valued its lowest, and then therefore it has implied value. And then also if you believe that the stock, of course is going to increase in value. So part of it is an acknowledgement that the stock value is low. And then also the positive is is that I think it is going to turn around in some capacity. It's in part because it can only get better. But another I just see things that I think are positives. You know, I saw an article wish I could pull it up. And maybe I can because I think that there's some value to it. And that is a list from the Brookings institute that America has many highly inclusive digital places, but fewer also inclusive of America's many highly digital places, but fewer also inclusive. These eight cities have the best tech opportunities for women minorities and workers without a college degree. And it cites a number of cities in Saint Louis is one of those cities. So my whole thing that I keep going back to with startups is the tech startups. Now, it's some people pulling out his twos. When. They take off then they relocate and leave Saint Louis, but I think that that is a very healthy situation for our region that that is considered nationally in perhaps globally something that Saint Louis bringing to the table. The other thing that I think has great values that people acknowledged now in Saint Louis, not everyone but saw MC knowledge that we have problems here. Then you have a faction of people who just go. Oh, it's just invoked hate on Saint Louis, and then just kind of dismiss it. And I would point out that at this point. If you think everything here is going great. But that's great. I just think that most people would tell you that in I'm talking about people in whether it be business or politics that that is not necessarily the case. But despite that, there's this odd thing, and it's kind of gone on over the last fifteen years or so that if you're critical of something that means you don't love it. Now, I would suggest that if you're critic. Title than that means that you care. So with regard to the specific question, this is what I what I would say. And what I did say in my response personally. I thought there were two super candid moments from John Moselle like Monday night, number one. When he said build a wit was not happy with him with regard to finishing as the bridesmaid so often with renewed a free agents and then number two when he brought up the issue with Lambert outta nowhere. Now, I've asked the question about Lambert as to why it's an issue because while it's a combination of depressing in one sense. But then like, sadly, convenient that there aren't a bunch of people around when you land in comparison to other top twenty five markets airports. It's something that gets brought up often by business travelers and people who are not from here, but who fly here now it's easier to make fun of the criticism and dismiss it because that is worked so well for us here. In Saint Louis over the last few decades as we've sword behind Indianapolis and Nashville, but in hosting a show in which we discussed the issues why they're deemed problems. And then when having these people on the show, see what they gather our solutions. It's something that I wanted to get a better idea on why it's a problem in some people's minds. So in looking into it for the average, Saint Louis who flies more for pleasure than for business. You would never really think much of it. You look at the south west schedule. That's what most people I think do at this point is that's certainly the main air airline in Saint Louis find the route with a few stops. Best departure time and least expensive fair. And then you hit click, and that's how the vast majority of non business travelers myself included travel in and out of Lambert really have for the last decade. Plus now going back to two thousand when I was working a Cam Lovie for five years, and we were travelling with the Rams and the cardinals and the blues and Missouri and Saint Louis U, and they would be in the NCAA tournament. I think if I had to go back from memory. I would tell you that I flew non southwest flights more in that five year period then southwest flights. And even though it was only thirteen years ago. It seems like a totally different era. But it was it was a totally different era. And so there were a couple of times that I can specifically recall for blues playoff trips one in the year. They win the presidents trophy in two thousand when they were playing the sharks that we had to fly through Minneapolis to get to San Jose. And then we had to in two thousand three when they were playing the Knox we had to fly through Phoenix. So we're going all the way down to rezone to get to Vancouver. And so, you know, the the those are two examples, and so yes, I realized you could certainly fly without question can fly. I don't even know where you can't fly from Saint Louis. The issue is the direct flight. The usher the other issue is the. Options so therefore from a timing standpoint and an airline standpoint. And then if you're a business traveler, or if you are an employer there are a number of people who travel so much for a living that they at that point have the ability to sit in business class refers class. Now, this is where we get into this weird thing, which will actually be my second question for questions from the audience today regarding I don't know what the right term for it is. And I know this one I'm really going to get hate on. But I feel strongly about it. So we'll talk about it, which is like this anti success sentiment, especially for young people in Saint Louis where if like you're doing well for yourself you almost have to hide it. And then the people who actually aren't doing that great. Somehow kind of go rap game on it. And then start flashing in. It's almost like ambition initiative are discouraged here. And I don't get it. And it's not by certainly everyone. It's by a sliver. But yet, I notice it, and it's an. Odd thing. Whereas like, there's a population of people in Chicago, you think about it for examples is a near example. And now, I'm being told about Kansas City, where it's like it's like encourage, and it's like, it's like the the in thing to do is to, you know, get out of college. And then like, you know, do as well as you possibly can you know, and in having an heaven certain amount of pride and trying to create or be an entrepreneur. And then if you are successful snout like you have to apologize with with a sarcastic, hashtag blessed. So so we'll get into to that element of it. But that's a factor because why well if you fly southwest there is no first class. There is no business class. And I don't personally give a damn about it. I just don't wanna middle seat myself at this point with a one year old. It's not like, I'm flying everywhere. All the time anywhere. It's it's not a big deal for me. But I'm looking at it from a regional standpoint. And that is a legitimate issue is somebody posted in this thread. Let's see this gentleman does not live in Saint Louis, but he's a Saint Louis native. And he said we have international companies in Saint Louis travel for companies like Emerson is a major major problem. But I mean, if you're going to isolate it in John Mozelle accent regarding agency, I personally am surprised to hear that. Because if you're going to sign an eight figure or nine figure contract, you're probably going to be flying out of spirit on your own plane, or at the very least on wheels up or net jets. And you're not going to be really worried about flying commercial. But if you are trying to find family in, you know, it can it can be you know, it can be quite an odyssey at times because you're probably not going to have the vast selection of non stops that you would have from other top twenty five markets. So when I laid out that case, you know, I listed the top twenty five markets in the country in in some people. And I and I say the stuff like secondhand because when you're in television as I was at the time, you know, what the the markets. Because that's what you're doing for a living. You know? So it's like, okay. When I started in Little Rock, it's market fifty seven I had an offer from Monterey, California. Also as a first job it was like Mark at one fifteen at the time Austin at the time was sixty and I would imagine or Austin Texas shooting up those rankings Saint Louis is Mark montavani said when he was in was number ten as far as market size. And this wasn't that long ago. Saint Louis is now number twenty one. But I list the top twenty five markets in the has nothing to do with airports. It's more about region's population size. And when for those of you who have traveled in these airports. It's New York L A, Chicago, Philadelphia, Dallas, San Francisco, Washington, Houston. Boston Atlanta, Tampa, Phoenix Detroit. Seattle Minneapolis Miami. Denver Orlando Cleveland Sacramento, Saint Louis, Charlotte. Pittsburgh Raleigh-Durham and Portland. I would imagine most of you would agree if you do travel that Saint Louis options in comparison to those other top twenty five markets would be on the low side. Side, they have multiple airports, and there are more multiple some have airports, but multiple airlines is what I meant to say. And then therefore with multiple airlines you have options than also options outside of south west you have the ability for business class. But even if you're not flying business class, and you're flying coach to not be pinned in on. I want to fly nonstop. It's got to be at six in the morning, or it's got to be an eight at night, or if I am gonna fly from Saint Louis to take your pick of not Chicago or Dallas or Lanta. I've got a stop in Chicago Dallas or Atlanta in order to get to X Y or Z again. This is not an across. The board statement is a question brought up by with John was brought up with regard to Lambert. So I went on to say those of us have been to some of these airports listed above in part one. We might say things like shit hole or Denver's airport is so far from the city but specific to what the complaint is from business travelers. Okay. That's that's I think to me the difference here. Because is is guy. Just like travelling like, okay? We're gonna go to Las Vegas for the weekend. It's like, okay whenever we fly we fly. But if it's business or if you are the actual business in your flying, your employees or your flying people to Saint Louis, it's an issue. And so even though the the original question was regarding Mozelle X question. He said the average traveler, but yes, that's the average traveler, but that's not what we're talking about here. When you're talking about what Mozelle ox bringing up the difference between these markets and Lambert Airport is the option for multiple airlines direct flights. So if you want to dig it down further, and this would fall into the category of my second question, which personally, I think hurts Saint Louis in some capacity, but for those who are able to fly first class or business class. You do not have the option on south west, which is the main carrier in and out of Lambert. And finally, you have nearly no direct international flights from Saint Louis. Like literally now that the Icelandic flight is going to be going. Away here in the next couple of months few even wanted to count that. So I'm only speaking for myself on this particular point is someone with a one year old and who travels to one of three states, and that's about it. I'm quite happy with my three hour nonstop to Las Vegas via south west or the nonstop options to West Palm Beach Fort Myers. The only other place we really goes Hilton Head, and that's just not going to be ideal. No matter where you are. Because Hilton Head is a very small airports here, either flying into Savannah, Georgia, Charleston and industry having nature of the beast, but the beast, but the criticism of Lambert is not about an individual's pleasure travel so much as it about business travel. And this is my analysis. The discussion with Mozelle lock came up when I asked him about Saint Louis being a destination for big time free agents now, so I asked the question who have been the biggest free agents to come to Saint Louis over the last few years. And I think we would agree if we're talking last few years Dexter Fowler. Now, what happened with extra Fowler? He didn't really want to come to Saint Louis per sources at least in comparison. Jason to what I think were San Francisco and Toronto as other major pursuers at the time. So Saint Louis had to give him the extra year in money to get it done after eaten at a meeting went to the national's for king's ransom. I believe that similar Christian yelich this past off season two off seasons. Go the cardinals preference was at a meeting. But then the nationals paid the White Sox and prospects of price at the cardinals. I don't think we're anticipating being the cost of getting Atta meeting. Do. I think Dexter Fowler had hesitated about Saint Louis because of the airport. No, I think for someone who's going to make nine figures or close to it. They went to live and raise their families in a city that matches the lifestyle they want for themselves and their families. And I completely understand it and for many who make that kinda money. It's going to be a coastal city or a major growing city. And that is why asked the question lock. That's why I wanted to see if like Saint Louis perceived reputation when you're digging down to do I wanna live there or not is a factor in the cardinals not landing the big name free agents over the last x. Amount of years. I never thought that the airport figured into play. So it was surprising. When Mozelle I brought it up. Now, of course, ironically with regard to Fowler. The reason that the TMA fan page broke the story that he was coming to Saint Louis is because one of the members of the fan page actually shot a picture of him in the cattle call line for a southwest flight from McCarron in Las Vegas to Lambert with regard to any solution, which is what separates the men from the boys and those on the sideline from those who dare to step in the arena, I view it as a chicken and egg discussion. In addition to our conversation on Josh Holly last month, we had lunch Jack Danforth asked me this incredibly open ended question that I made reference to earlier on a podcast, which was so what do you think of Saint Louis, and we laughed about how vague the question was. But I'm sure that was his intent make it open ended. And I expressed the same optimistic view that I shared earlier that startup companies have found a welcoming welcoming climate in Saint Louis and a young creative class. Many of whom are not from here will. Only help the region he agreed with that part. But he said it concerns him how many of the big companies have moved out of the region over the last couple of decades and talked about how not only those companies are important from a tax standpoint. But also the domino effect. It has in other words as recently as the eighties and early nineties yet people that many of our parents can cite as the people who you knew would represent Saint Louis New Yorker LA when shit was going down, and they would take care of business for Saint Louis. The name Bob Hyland is one that I'm familiar with. My dad would always bring his name up Danforth did as well at lunch, and because he made his Mark in the industry in which I work. I'm certainly familiar with his name. Although I never met them in Highland. Ran came a wax. And he was just an absolute force both at came wax in leader in Saint Louis amongst others. And that goes back to a common I often make when we have this discussion on the podcast regarding the void of leadership in the region. And it's it's a it's a rhetorical question. And I ask myself the question, but I mean, who do you think it is deal? Is it lie to Cruzan? Is it Steve stinger is it? Governor Parsons Senator blunt is it soon to be Senator Holly. I mean, you get the idea as I'm listening, those people, I don't think, and it's it I know it can come off as a shot it's not intended to be shot. But as I give those names to any of those inspire, you I mean, honestly, do they I I think in an probably in some cases, you're kind of cringing. And so there's there's there's my point the league leader doesn't have to be a politician Highland. Wasn't a politician. However, you want to have someone who gets things done and speaks on behalf of the region for the greater good in Danforth's contention is and was that Saint Louis had with these business leaders, we had leaders and now many of those businesses are gone with fewer business travellers. You have fewer flight options going back to the chicken and egg. If Saint Louis were to have what had had going as recently as thirty years ago. I'm quite certain the flight options would be better at Lambert. But it's economics. There isn't much of a demand. So there isn't a supply now specific to it impacting baseball's elite free agents, I think it wouldn't even. Crack the top ten on why they would choose the city over Saint Louis why because a fly private, but I have never run a baseball team and tried to sign require David price. Jason Heyward, Giancarlo Stanton. Or even had conversations about why they are considering another city over Saint Louis. So I have to yield Mozelle ach a person who has done at new actually brought it up and from my standpoint, the bigger issues or these two number one the amount of money the cardinals willing to put on the table and number two the individual and what the individual once in the case of the four biggest names to choose Saint Louis over the last twenty years when they could have gone elsewhere McGuire admins, Roland holiday, they all had kids and worth the latter portion of their career now, of course, most free agents are going to hit the market at that time. That's the way the system works. But for those wanting to raise a family, you often hear how great Saint Louis and on top of it. If you're looking at McGuire ninety seven Edmonds in two thousand role in two thousand two and holiday in two thousand nine the team was winning at a level that they are not now when Maguire came team was one win away from. Playing in the World Series in ninety six an Edmonds came here, and he didn't sign immediately was traded here. But then he loved that group of players in two thousand and obviously they won Rolan came here. The cardinal's gone the playoff two straight years and holiday comes here in the cardinals great team in two thousand nine but they just faltered in the postseason getting swept by the dodgers. But to get one of those players and look at a big time player choosing Saint Louis you've got to go back nearly a decade holiday. And that's why I think the free agent element of this off season is so intriguing because I think for some Saint Louis since consciously or subconsciously a big time player choosing Saint Louis over all of these other bigger cities are growing regions would be a boost for the morale of the area. It won't get us more flights out of Lambert, but it would be some form of win. And for those of us who live here, we know we have some legitimate issues. But we also have a lot to offer in the great news is there's a recognition of the problems now and a desire to actually get to work to find solutions. And that is the first step. So I welcome your thoughts on it. And I know it can lead to long emails, and when you send a long Email. I sincerely I do. I read it. I really actually enjoy reading them because almost every one of the emails that I get they're not like the kind of like motherfucker emails that you would usually get like when you write a column or something along those lines or do a podcast, even though I know that the opinion might not be popular. Because if there's one thing that can get people little upset it's criticism Saint Louis, but if it's one of our own doing it, it's more welcomed than if it's somebody who's not from here, which, you know, take it or leave it. I just believe that to be the case. So they're plenty of flights out of Saint Louis. It's just the majority of them are southwest flights. And and then it also limits nonstop, and then of course, there are no first class or business class options. So, you know, the tough thing is is then you're getting into talking about. Money and or socioeconomic economic status which then gets me to the second question. I wrote earlier in in that manifesto regarding the airport about the first class element. And and then that led to somebody writing in you said that you think that's a bad thing for Saint Louis. We pull it up. What did you mean by that? And so this is some I've talked about it with a few people. And it's a weird thing. And it's it, but it's I have to tell you. It's something I feel strongly about, but it's an odd thing. Because it I just know I just know it's an odd thing to talk about in in probably zero upside play. But it's something that I speak about often. I spoke about it when I was in my twenties. And now that I'm in my forties. I still speak about another words the goalposts don't move just because my demographic has I'm going to continue to get older unless there becomes some kind of Benjamin button phenomenon, but it's not going to change my mind on this Saint Louis is going to prosper when Saint Louis has a young in vibrant, professional community. And right now for many young professionals if they do go to college and graduate from college coming back to Saint Louis, even if they are Saint Louis natives and their families live to Saint Louis is now. Not necessarily what many want to do. It's not to say all I think you probably if you were taking like university of Missouri graduates. I would imagine the percentage would be higher. But if you go to a school outside of the Saint Louis area and just for the sake of the discussion will include Columbia, Missouri in there more often than not you will see people spend their twenties in take your pick. Chicago, certainly I would imagine it would be number one. But I would also include Denver Dallas, some New York some L as a Miami. Whatever the case might be. And so the QNA on Monday night with John was airlock after missile-like was done, Dan. And I were asked some questions one of the questions was about the S. And the reason why I am. So I don't have any so high on but excited about the LS is because so often you have a younger fan base. And it kind of becomes a social event for younger people at some. Of these MLS franchises. And listen, I love the cardinals the cardinals Hawaii got into broadcasting. But I mean, you know, if you if you do watch other games in baseball in compare the crowd at Busch stadium to you know, certainly Wrigley field would be an easy example. But you know, you're picking a variety of other. And it's just it's a little more energetic. And that's just because Saint Louis is a little older. It's just the way that it is. But again, I know saying this is going to piss people off, and it's one of the things like, but but but the goal is to have the conversation and at the risk of having an honest conversation comes criticism, and I'm fine with that. I shall take it, but I feel strongly about it. And one of the reasons why the morning grind, which was the first morning after was formed was because I'm sitting here at the time twenty four years old, and I'd be driving into work, and I'd go my God. There's not anything on in Saint Louis that caters to a twenty four year old. It's it's just like for it's for older people. I thought it was really odd. And I'm like, this is the twenty first market in the country. So my premises young people. Now, there's some slivers of young people certainly having a Mazda representation, but they're like slivers of the community. I just feel like young people have either been ignored or young people haven't really had their voices heard or tempted to have their voices heard as a real force in the region. I think it's in the best interest of the region for that to be the case. And that now I still say even though I'm now forty two years old. And so when I look at for example, Chicago is an easy example or Denver, or as my making reference to what Senator Danforth said, he sees Kansas City, and you go my God. And then now, it's Indianapolis and Nashville Louisville what's going on what has caused it. And there's certainly a lot of political factors. Whether it be with the mergers in those particular areas or just the job opportunities in the dollars that are there and the job market in those particular places that. Separated? And I understand that. But one thing that I just I've I've, and it's an odd thing. And in a also wanna make it clear because at this point is the father of a one year old. It's not like, I do not like those kind of like, you know, charity events that are really like, you know, social events under the guise of charity of at type thing. Let me get my picture and being alive magazine type thing that's not my bag. So I'm not going to this stuff. And so it in some corners. You might go out Tim, I think this is outdated. I don't think this is the way that it is anymore. And if that's the case that is great. But from my perspective in talking with people who I would consider in the demographics so mid to late twenties about this. For whatever reason. And I don't know what the reason is. And I welcome. A combination of either theories your thesis or just flat out disagreeing. It is my feeling that there is a healthy amount of. I don't know what the right word the right word for it would be. I'm going to give it a good long thawed. Let me give it a good long thought. It's like the Doug von library pause. Pushback. Subtle pushback against ambition for young people not on why that is. But I just notice it, and I'm not talking about like, you know, like one of the running jokes on the show, which also certainly outdated is a reference to parties in the park, which I guess still goes on. But it's this thing in Clayton since some of your priority familiar with it where it's kinda like young professionals get together. And at the running joke was you know, talking about how much they make and even though they're living in like a shithole apartment. They're driving a BMW three series to try and pick up that's the game. And so I'm talking about. The climate slash culture, providing encouragement slash. Right word is reward. But a, but a, but a culture of you know. Smiling upon those who are giving it their all as entrepreneurs at or coming up with innovation and technology. Now, again, I'm talking about startups in some capacity is being a positive here. But I'm talking about throughout the region. It's like, oh, he got a Mercedes or oh, she thinks. She's so good now because she's making whatever. And so it's like getting hated on as opposed to man now see that he or she can do that. I'd love to do that as well and not be miserable in my job and just kind of like sign off on the rest of my life. And and listen there are circumstances. That people have not everybody's in a position to be able to do it some people have families, and they're just not in a position to be able to take a chance, but I'm talking about in general. Culture of wanting to see ambition, and I feel like that that is lacking in Saint Louis in comparison again to when I'm looking at his other top twenty five markets gangster, Pete you're sitting here. But you would fall into the categories gentlemen, with an MBA absurdly more well educated than me, I do not possess college degrees. I'm curious to get your thoughts on this. What do you think? Do you agree with this? You disagree with us. I wanna have a conversation with you as well and a half yawn. There. Nurse. Nancy? Hi, tom. What do you think? Well, I think that a lot of people would come back if there's more opportunity, I think the opportunities lacking unless you're in certain industries now do you feel like that ambition is in some odd way kind of pushed back for younger people. I don't see that. I think that it's more of people that act like that just aren't happy where they are. And that's how they deal with it. What do you mean people who act like what people that act like ambitions, not cool? I think that's just because they don't have anything going for him at the time. Gangster Pete much more direct than me. Thanks for much more direct than me way. Coping with it. Yeah. I don't. I don't know. If I see I don't know why it is. I just feel like it is. But I wanted to see if I, but I see here's the thing. I had the conversation with other people, but those people aren't in broadcasting, so they're not going to be in a position to say. In an even me being in broadcasting knowing that it's going to get hated upon. It's like what's the upside and talking about it? But I wanna have the obvious honest conversation because in a way, I think ties into the airport things at ties into the business thing, I think you have plenty of people in Saint Louis with money. It's old it's old like. I was texting with somebody somebody who actually people would. No, I'm talking about not just like friends of mine. I'm talking about people in Saint Louis, if I said the person person doesn't live here anymore. And this person was saying, I gotta tell you because I love my hometown. But the perception of Saint Louis from people here is that it's old money with some real racial issues and talked about the racial issues quite a bit haven't really gotten hated on for that. I guess that's good people at least acknowledging that exists which is good because you have to acknowledge a problem in order to start looking at us Lucien, even though I have no idea what how how you actually solve that problem outside of just. Attempting to to not be a big shouldn't be that difficult. But I know it seems like a like a longer longer putt these days, but but with regard to the old money thing. It's like, yeah. Why would those who kind of have everything that they want here when I, you know, see change because it's a it's a great spot for them. Yeah. I understand that. I don't I don't necessarily even fault people for that. But I'm talking about people coming along in that new money like, you know, again like flashing and showing off that you got this. And you've got that that type I think is oftentimes that's not that's not really the people who necessarily have it. They just want the attention, which is a totally different thing. Maybe they have the money. But there that's other whatever that's that. I'm talking about a those who actually have and this isn't by the way, some passive way for me to talk about myself at all again, I'm. Forty two. I'm talking about people in their twenties or thirties for that matter where it's like me. Good for that person. Yes. I never really it's human nature in some capacity to have some form of jealousy. So I understand that I understand that psychological element in the discussion. But I'm talking about essentially a young professional class in the market. That's what I'm talking about. And how it is lacking. And so that what happens is you may have people who do move back here after college. But then go my God. The the circle so to speak is so small you're nodding you agree with this. The the circle here is so small that you know, I wanted to live here. But my God, I think I'm gonna move to Chicago. And I it's like more than two hands. I could name so many people who've been in that category or Denver, whatever the case might be. And I don't and I don't know what the solution to it is. Because again, it kind of goes back to the airport discussion, which is chicken and egg. And and it's certainly it's certainly because because it's not an every it's not an all it's not a one brush for you know, the whole region. That's not what it is. It's just it's it's a noticeable difference. And whereas I made note earlier that my travelling these days is limited with having son. And of course, the year before my wife being pregnant the entire time. And even we did travel was pretty much all we did was go to spring training, and we'd go to Las Vegas. So it's not like, you know, mom removed from when I was bouncing from you know, whatever NFL. L city NFL city are MLB city. I'm abuse it or NHL city shells city, whatever and seeing it, but at the time, it just it just stood out to me that you know, there's there's this twenty something and thirty something young professional class that I don't feel like we have as much of insane Lewis is a chicken or egg. But either way even if it is chicken or egg for those people who have done something or for those people who are trying something even if they don't work, God bless them for giving it a shot that it isn't necessarily as encouraged here, and even to an extent pushed back now, Pete, I guess is that it's more like hater type shit, which might be the case. I don't know. But it's like, you gotta be like conscious. Like, yeah. No. I, you know, I don't want to say I live in this municipality. Because then it'd be like, oh, you think you're so great because you live in this municipality, and it's like, I just lived there. I mean, you know, and it's an odd thing or you drive this while I drive this because I had that. And it didn't really go great. And like this car, you know, it's it's just an. Odd thing in. I don't end in a sense. Maybe it's it's just an overall humility thing, which I think is positive, but it's humility if it's for your own doing it's hate if now you're focusing on somebody else's doing. So that's that's what I meant. When I was talking about, you know, the the the the airport element, which was yes. For for the average traveler Suming, you're flying domestic it's. Yeah. It's it's inconvenient in the sense that you have one airline for the most part for the most part, and therefore you're gonna limit your choices and oftentimes that airline has stops. But yes, of course, you can get to take your pick of whatever whatever distant domestic city. You can absolutely go there. However, there there is a there is an entire population in the United States of business people who part of their job is that they're just on the road. And it's not just the people who are constantly flying. And therefore time is of the essence not just for meetings, but also to have their personal time with their family, but I'm also talking about their employers and the cost and then the time that they have their employees out in the road or they want to bring people to their their headquarters. And so if it is incredibly inconvenient to do that or it's like, oh, I'll find a Saint Louis like oh shit. It's going to be a whole day long thing that to me is relevant to the discussion. And I think is more of the issue than the quote, unquote, as the gentleman who posted the question asked the average traveler, I would consider myself the average traveler, I don't have to fly everywhere for my job I will fly here and there for vacations, and so therefore it's kind of like, oh, well, I guess it means we'll check in early today role. That means we'll be checking in late because we won't get there until six o'clock, and oh that sucks we got to fly through Baltimore to get to. You know, spring training, even though it's in Florida and seems to make no sense, but that's gonna save us one hundred fifty dollars. So that's what we'll do that is just kind of air flight out of Lambert in two thousand eighteen and most of us are just kind of used to it. But picture that you're not flying to wherever for vacation or you are the employer, and I realized there probably a lot of fortune five hundred CEO's listening to this podcast, but you're going, okay. We got a send this group here and we've got to get them there. But then the next day we have a meeting here. And so we gotta get him there. And then if it's your flying through here, and you're flying through in these people are used to flying, and they have, you know, hundreds of thousands of reward points, and therefore they're flying business class or first class from the case might be then it's an issue. And then what happens is we say, oh, I class hashtag blessed. Go fact yourself, well it, but it, but it's a real thing. Now, are you shaking your head? There you agreeing with me, I can't tell what you're doing here. It's tough to play poker with the whole hat hashtag blessed and all that it's just real gnawing to me. So. So you if people act like that, they're they're removed from my circle. I just don't you? Are somebody's type something hashtag bless your out. Yes. It's like what's the point? Like you. Obviously don't really care that much about me. You wanna see me do? Well, that's what I'm getting at the whole thing. It's the core at that. And if you don't feel that way, then you're not really, my friend. And then why do I care about what you think about anything? That's just how I think gangster Pete extra Pete much more direct. Maybe you should host questions from the audience, I'm rambling day done. You would have been done. Let's because you don't like how long ago because we got to go do this other show, but but you're much more interesting. I don't know you're kind of direct. I like it. But I, but, but, but you know, it's a weird things again, I know in gangster Pete. And I do have to jet is because we're hosting the well, Dan, McLaughlin, either hosting against repeats producing the hot stove show. And so we do have to go. And so we're working on this whole new thing. And maybe it'll work maybe it won't. And that's just kind of the way it is both Peten. I think in certainly McLaughlin would fall under the umbrella of being entrepreneurs and part of the deal with being an entrepreneur is inevitably you're going to fail and you're gonna fail like there's no way you Batta thousand. I'm sure some people have Batta thousands. So I should say there's no way but inevitably in order to really fire bullets in trying to have something work. You're either going to initially fuck it up, and then have to make it right or it's going to fail that's part of the deal. But as the great Michael Scott said when quoting Wayne Gretzky, you have to shoot in order to score. You miss one hundred percent of the shots. You don't take. So that's the nature of the peace. And what I'm saying is. I want more people in the region in particular young people to be encouraged to take shots like from my standpoint. I love the fact that I have no idea what the fuck I'm going to be doing it. A couple years. I love that. Now. I also know that there that would scare the shit out of plenty of people. And in part of the deal is is that when you don't know, and then you have a family, and that's an important element of this. And I don't want to dismiss it. Maybe maybe people thought I used to dismiss it. Maybe I was dismissing it before I had a child now that I've child so I'm part of the club. So I certainly considered to be relevant and by that I mean a relevant factor. Not e- relevant. But I love I love that. It's like, okay, we could still do this. You know? I mean what we're doing here today. Pete Nye McLaughlin, we might be starting some kind of big project or like two months, I got fucked didn't work. But at least, you know, we tried it. And here's why it didn't work and the you'll gene will learn from that for the next project, whatever it's price you pay. I mean with with running radio stations are operating programming and inside us yell. My God how many shows have we come up with? And then a lot of them just didn't work. But you know, I came up with. One with the help of some compadres in the cat and Martin Kilcoyne thirteen fourteen years ago, and sometimes all takes his one. But you got you gotta take your shot. And that's what I'm saying. I just feel like oftentimes the climate here is non-conducive perhaps more from a cultural element by that. I mean, other people hating on success, and or ambition. Maybe it's not the Embiid that's headed on so much as the byproduct of a successful ambition. And then if people don't handle the success as well. But I'll tell you this. It's still one of the like Randy Marquel who owns the station he laughs about it. He laughed about any lasts about one of the worst moments of my career was when the while. I mean, this was before the post-dispatch wrote about it was when the details some of which were reported inaccurately one of which that I bought into caffeine us. I did not buy indicate us, but that in order to get the deal done. Randy offered me part ownership of KFI us a couple years ago and was published in in some Br. Broadcast trade magazine. And I'm sitting at the Venetian playing poker tournament on. Okay. Got the deal done. I got a couple of weeks. Here doesn't start for a few months, and I can relax with my wife and enjoy myself and an hour and a half into the poker tournament playing very, well, I should note and have a nice big stack and my phone starts blowing up and I looked down. And it's all of these people go and the details your contractor online, and what in the hell is this? And and then of course, you know, some people are like I can't believe DNC's wrote about it. Once it was out. And you know, it was it was out. And I figured he was gonna write about it. So on it's in the Saint Louis post dispatch, and like the articles titled the million dollar man or something like that. Like Jay, Randall junior was calling me million dollar baby for a couple of weeks until I finally said Jennings. If you could please stop, but it, but but the, but then people in like my peers in this business now it became, hey, hey, you know, like a fuck him. He does that pervert show. He doesn't. Go to Busch stadium or enterprise center, or whatever, you know. And then it's like, and then it's a whole thing. And I'm like, you know, the the some of that's accurate some of it's inaccurate. But then it's like, I can't go. Well, that's accurate. I am actually making that. No, that's not accurate about this. Because then it's like I can't talk about somebody's like blowing in the wind. And it's like, well, how come he's making that, you know? And it's awful. It's an awful thing. It was awful. It was it was truly awful. Like, I said Randy thought, it was funny in we we did laugh about it in the sense that I thought it was funny that he thought it was funny. But I'm like, dude. This isn't funny as socks and this is going to be an this is going to stick with me forever. This will always stick with me and on top of it. It's just it's it's that's KF an ass. I we also have inside T L Pete McLaughlin, an eye Nick gale, we're all working on a whole new project. They're all kinds of things. And sometimes you have good months and quarters and years, and sometimes you don't you know, you you have a house. You have Lowe's part of the game. But you wanna take your shot? And so I'm just I'm always four I'm telling you, I e even. If you go. Wow. What a terrible idea that was and how big a failure was that? And I'll go. Yeah. But at least he or she took the shot. God bless them. You know, because it takes a great amount of courage to go out on your own, especially if you're putting your own money that you've saved or you go to a Bank and get a line to start something up and take it. I take an idea and try and run with it and build something. I mean, that's essentially how this country was built. And so I have a great amount of respect for it. I'm in listen, this this is like an finish up with Dennis Miller rant and not the Dennis Miller of two thousand eighteen Dennis Miller of nineteen ninety eight. I don't know what happened. And that is I could be wrong. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong. And I know it's going to it. It's not intend. I'm involved. It's a podcast. It's not like I'm trying to get some audience or something like that with the the radio show or Twitter. I'm just giving you my honest opinions because this the Maceo lock Lambert line got such a response. And then it led to all of these different layers of it that I'm giving you my perspective on it due to to go straight to what he said regarding the airport playing a role in free agents. I can't imagine. When that's the case at all. But the shit. I mean, he brought it up. I have no idea might just make a joke who knows? But then it got into all these topics regarding Lambert in the whole thing. And so what winds up happening usually I find is that when I'm talking to people who have either lived in other cities or currently living in other cities or who do a lot of traveling. They agree with me one hundred percent. And then the people who for the most part have not traveled, and it's not because I'm as Pete loves hashtag blessed because I got to travel to all of these places. I didn't do it. It was my job. It's not like I was making so much money that I'm like sweet RAMSAR plan in San Francisco. Let's fly on out enjoy it and stay at the Ritz. I was flying out there because came over he was paying for it that you get to see other cities and not just San Francisco caliber cities. And so you get to see what's going on around the country. And then you compare it to your hometown, and you go, okay. Wow. It seems like we're behind here. Why is that? But if you have that conversation, and I did have that conversation to an extent when I was in my twenties. I had a lot of older people. Of course, go fuck you. What are you know, are they would, you know, just like dismiss it? And here we are fourteen years later, and I'm not surprised by it because I felt very strongly about it in two thousand three four five. I was right. But that's not like a that was an obvious. I was right. You know? I mean, sometimes these things are quite unlike. Yeah. Eric writings scumbag, you couldn't tell you voted for an okay, I mean shit. I said the morning after the election. I said you guys can focus on Donald Trump while you want. That's fine. Plenty of people are other people are absolutely thrilled. But what concerns me is this era grinds guy 'cause I can tell us guys just to sleazebag. He's going to be a problem. But I don't go, man. Look at me. I'm very intuitive. I'm like, that's that shit was obvious. So Saint Louis falling behind in two thousand three two thousand four two thousand five in Saint Louis having issues in two thousand eighteen these to me things are very obvious. I don't think I'm some wizard, but I also know saying it is unpopular, but I. Think in order to to improve we have to have the conversation. So this is really like at the at the foundation of it. Why that is? But perhaps I'm wrong. That's why I'm saying perhaps, I'm wrong. I think that the free agent situation with the airport is is irrelevant. But I, but I also think Mozelle IQ might have been making a joke or might have been talking about baseball players families coming and going on Saint Louis, maybe he was just because he travels a lot. He's like God that sucks. I gotta fly through two cities in order to get to here there. I have no idea. But anyway, there it is there at all is this. You're welcome to agree. You're welcome to disagree. You're well in I enjoy a good conversation as I was saying earlier long emails, and because we are working on a variety of things. I don't have the time. Oftentimes specially attempting to be a good husband and father to write is much back. But I really do read them. 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379: Dr. Yumiko Kadota and Medical Burnout, Michael Sam Reveals NFL Struggles

Throwing Shade

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379: Dr. Yumiko Kadota and Medical Burnout, Michael Sam Reveals NFL Struggles

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We'll be Houston during shade dot com slash tour for all tickets and Sunday, I'll be at caso getting handle it. My I have a picture show you which I know makes bad hot you love this Aaron loves to use other mediums for radio shows. I wanna tell you. I wanted to tell us, right? It is do and I will be able to describe it perfectly. Okay. We'll put it on the Instagram later. Okay. So I was reading about your favorite topic Victorian things. I do love Queen Victoria, and how she laid out her husband's clothes every morning true. Yeah. After he died. I would she do it. She would wash may do is. She was in love with them. No. She was very much in love with him. And so every day until she died she would lay out his close for the day because it was a very deep. True love story, which is rare Emily blunt, very rare. Which is why there was the thing of all the time. I ask her where should get breakfast lunch dinner. Are we getting a sequel to Mary Poppins returns, which was a sequel Mary Mary Poppins returns to the return? Mary Poppins can't get rid of our what is this? Mary Poppins returning things that actually didn't fit Mary Poppins, Nordstrom rack. I would watch that. So a pair Mary Poppins read the back of the receipt. How many days do you have? It's right. Sometimes it's final sale. You don't Mary Poppins doesn't know that by the way, this looks like Mary Poppins. Okay. So apparently, I was reading about Victorian shells shells, people were obsessed with shells and the Victorian era. Okay. So they would make things like your if your husband was a sailor, and he was going overseas. He would bring you back something called a sailor's Valentine, which is a bunch of shells shaped in a heart and you put in a picture frame. And then you put it on your wall to remember, your husband going to be honest with you. It sounds really ugly. It's so, but it would be cute if the sailor in Victorian times brought back the two shelves that go over the boobs for a bikini. Oh, yeah. Like a girl. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I like that. Okay. So apparently wants the sailor Valentine was once that trend was over town. Yeah. Then women's started going to the seashore. Desalegn come into this where they sell shells and making shell dolls that I want. I can't think of anything uglier. Yeah. Hideous Aaron showing me a picture of. Hello. Dolly style. Clam. Clam shells, clam shells in its figurine of Obama with an enormous hat and a parasol the info Bette midler, aloe. Dolly shells on native shell boardwalk empire had I would love. And by the way, that is what from now on when a when someone who I'm hooking up with comes over and knocks on my door open. It a crack and minute show them that doll and then slowly opened the door to see me revealed in full. Hello, Dolly gear. Yeah. I think what you should do when you make this shell doll is not glue. It I think you should put it together with some sort of like metal wiring or something. So that when you move it makes a lot of sound a lot of jingle jangle that'd be court. Why were they so into shell? Because they were like they thought they were onto some shit. You know, what I mean thought that they were like, oh, he discovered something that another. Way to make us feel rich. So because you're if you're landlocked or something and all sudden, you come back to Oklahoma City, and you're like five doll- shore. All the oil titans daughters from Oklahoma City would come back from their travels to the far east, which means North Carolina. Sure there would be like, oh, I was at. I was at the shore. That's funny. You should say that. And then they bring say sure. Oh, oh, okay. And then they would come back with these shell dolls and impress. God the whole their whole junior league or whatever it is like when on little house on the prairie reruns, which you do or do not watch new masturbate one of them would always like for Christmas. A girl would get like a red ribbon and she could not believe her luck. And she would just play with it for a full year, basically. But that's but that's based in. Okay. So when win England or about close where a huge thing. Oh, yeah. No, one makes clothes except me. I I want to dress up box me to address Bax spe Justin Timberlake when England wanted to get rid of all their trash people. And they trick them. Into thinking that America is the place to be sure or they did a bunch of shit where they would also like trick little girls into stealing spoons, and they'd be like gallon about you going to America Rosen colony style ribbons were often the thing that they had there was there. One thing her insisted they would be dropped off in whatever Plymouth rock, and then they would go to like try to find a room or whatever. And they'd be like all I have is. But a ribbon from the homeland because that's true. Yeah. It was now. And look where is the legacy of the ribbon? Now about me. No one wears somewhat. Did you say just stand ribbon? Can't we have that ended in nineteen fifty? I don't know. I don't think you've been. I don't think you've been to West Virginia Kentucky lately, I have where rock candy and ribbon candy are alive as well. What was the accident? You just said, please. Can I hear that again? Right canyon and brought where rock candy rim Kamiar or live is Wael. What what's that? That's my true voice. I hope you like it. What's still going on in the midwest those dots that are on that piece of paper? Like that's a candy that that is absurd. The easels. Yeah. It does. It looks like measles that you know. What's funny when in nineteen twenty nine when we had the stock market crash. It is what they would read the when they saw the stock market taking candy. That's like when the Titanic called for help. They all would read is that candy and during roll her too. Yeah, codebreakers. That's right. Navajo code codebreakers. And then now we now we eat the that's the, thanks. We give they knew it's fun. Some of its braille. That's right, right. What does it say? Anton candy candy. Oh, yeah. Well, guess what? I happened to me. This. Is it more exciting? No. It's actually it's excellent huge letdown from the shell dolls. This is it I'm gonna go first anymore because I want my stories are about your story was perfect. I wouldn't have changed a fucking thing. Shell though is I'm never going to some thinking about I wall wine amount of the kidding. In fact, I want one with a lamp shade on it. So where it's functional there. They make up on see I'm not joking. I went on because I wanted to I was trying to think if there's a way to like re imagine this for modern art, but there isn't so no. So this weekend. What happened to your dick is your dick healed? It's getting ninety nine point nine percent there addict up date. Thank you for the person who did the doctor who DM to me on Instagram and said, don't use hydrogen peroxide us, poly sporran have never heard of which is different than Neo. It is it has a different antibiotic. I think at it. Anyway, that worked wonders, and I'm pretty much all good to go off with it. I haven't I know you're dying for me too. I did. I did this. And how did you got this weekend? Did it hurt? It didn't hurt. It didn't just sort of paranoid the whole time. Yeah. I mean, you know, I climax, but it just I was like thinking about it was in the back of my head. Right. Okay. Did you have Halloween on is that why you're paranoid Kyo jet? Yeah. Yeah. You're right. That's what happened. It wasn't your it. Wasn't your dick cut? It was. You put scary movies on your right? I do all you saw. Shoutout to the guy when I was getting my haircuts sadder. Thanks for thing. On. Okay. Well, I didn't get my ears weren't covered in hair says you fair enough. I was getting my haircut, and I go to a very tiny place in a salon Republic. Everybody boats you go on tiny haircut tiny. And there was a guy waiting probably in his mid to late fifties sighing beyond belief, and it I it was a noise that I recognized that he was coming from his phone that I was like what is that noise? It's kind of driving me crazy. He was one of those that like full volume up on every notification received. Well, this place is so small and he's like every letter he types like, click, click, click low mouse with tap shoes. On exactly so I realized that the noise that was coming on over and over and over again because the grinder notification and that he and the also the noise of him, sending pictures, then I tell you that combined with the fact that I'd look over at him. And he was like. Okay. It was as if he were being it was as people planning his calendar that day, and he was just like receiving pictures and was just so disappointed. Couldn't believe what does what just wait. Wait -ment irritation. It was just the kind of thing you give when you've been in line at a Bank two long years. Like, oh, God is his Langan. And that's how it was like. God. And then click click click. He just sent pictures and then received some and again, just a sigh so over it. It was by the way, then he was my hero. Because I was like you give no thumb. They also why is he spending the time on there is that the is that the that? Haircut mate? He wants to fuck him fresh after a haircut. That's right. Wait did your person move toward they had a fancy salon and didn't weren't they didn't they move. They did move because their lease when haywire. I'll tell you. Well, the salon business is just Tony Aaron cutthroat. Oh, if you wanna be look, I have been lucky to have very a lot of fantastically normal hair people, but it has having worked in a salon for the French. Yeah. I tell you very nice operation. It's just too sweet guys who cut sweet hair great and they're tiny little space in salon Republic, which Rana hates. But whatever it is what it is. She she's she likes to think that things don't mean. I mean, he's probably still pay a lot of money for that haircut again. Yeah. It's a good haircut is a quality haircut. China doesn't understand Los Angeles. No, your hair looks great. It looks. It looks really is yours. Oh, thanks. It. Does anything than sodas your Sam? Hey, thank you very much. We've got. Some fresh air in here. 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The doctor is in and she's been in for a hundred eighty hour straight. And if he can't do the math, Brian that's a lot of days that's more than three days. And I'm sure of that. So am I that's at least two football fields. It's exactly so doctor you Meco Cadeau data a plastic surgeon and Sydney found herself at the ass end of burnout, medical burnout. Okay. According to a blog blog posts that she wrote that went viral. She was on call from Monday morning seven thirty AM until the next Monday at four pm. Good Lord Jesus Christ when she was done with her cycle, her whatever that on-call cycle, not our period guys every calm down. She got a whopping two days off. And at one point. She said she got four hours at interrupted sleep. And now is a good day for her. Now, I. And here's the thing. I get it. Like, I know it's not exactly the same. But like Oliver does like to sleep in my arms at night. But then sometimes he gets hot. So then he moves down to the bottom of the bed. And then hours later, he comes back into my arms. So I don't really get like reading. It's like what it's like operating. Yeah. I'm on call in bed all the time. Yeah. And sometimes I get an uninterrupted six or seven hours of sleep. So I get it. Totally. I totally get it. My point is I cannot can you imagine getting four hours of sleep in one week without ecstasy Coney Heo Hurtado live Cuba, die guide when you don't sleep. You get heart problems liver failure, you're fucking intestines. Go all wonky, your brain doesn't work. Basically your body starts shutting down. So the fact that they would do this to a doctor knowing full well as doctors that this is what happens she should be rested. Yes, now, she tried to requested a rearrangement she when she was logging after she had logged one hundred hours of overtime. She was like we possibly do something about this. Nobody did anything. She said non top of that. She was. Not taken seriously as a doctor by patients who were dismissing her kind of as a nurse, which is by no shame in being a nurse. They're doing all the fucking work. But she's she had a bunch of criticisms with this with what happened but long story short. She had an ER doctor, call her with non-emergency matter at three AM and she hadn't had sleep in like two days. She told him as inappropriate, and he told her to stop being a hysterical female at which point after she took a leave of absence came back was punished for leaving and taking a break. So was made she had to make up all of the hour. She was gone when she came back. So she had her previous workload plus makeup hours. I look I'm not a doctor. I know you are Brian. I I studied with the best Dr Phil, Dr Oz. Doctor on demand, doctor, Dr feelgood Dr patch Adams, doctor, I'm so glad you said Dr patch Adams because when you say, Dr Adams, people don't know don't act like new. Don't know Dr regarding Henry, Dr Neil, Patrick, Harris fiction character. Yeah. Dr doogie howser that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All the doctor. Yup. So she all the people. I'm married to medicine. Okay. After she went to her own doctor who is like you have to stop this. This is crazy got a note from her real doctor to give to her doctors who are boss doctors, they didn't do anything. So after twenty four days of working straight, she'd resigned, Cody I have a worked straight since God. What was I twelve? The last time you what made out with a girl. All right fine pretend to fifteen. All right. Caller fifteen or don't call me. At all, Jennifer. I'm still waiting for that paycheck. Who's Jennifer unrelated issue? She such a bitch. So she. Okay. So she resigned after twenty four days of work, even though she knew that it was going to get her blackballed from the medical industry for quitting, essentially. Now, I just wanted to read some facts about so this this blog post went viral. I it was hard to be a doctor. I didn't I didn't know it was like that. I didn't know it was crazy like that. You know, the sad thing is is that women make better doctors in general patients are treated by female doctors have lower mortality and readmission rates compared with male colleagues women's spend more time with patients during office visits and emphasize, preventative care and focused more on the psychosocial expert aspects of patient care, but the flip side of that is that patients are oftentimes more demanding with female doctors, probably because they expect more because they're women with a male doctor, you might accept like some behavior as just classic like while he's well, he's a male doctor. That's that's why he's not returning my phone calls, and let me tell you something I've had two doctors in Los Angeles, not return my phone calls, and you know, who they're not getting money from me or my insurance company anymore. I ever tell you about when I was at that party. And I ran into a gynecologist and. We're just we're doing small talk over the hump as you do. And she was like, I haven't gone to college. And I was like, oh, that's so funny. I'm talking about gynecology on our tour on our tour this year. She was asked me what I do. And I was like I had this crazy gynecologist here in LA. He, and I told her about the guy who took my out and made it have a cartoon voice also told me that I shouldn't get a double mastectomy because how will I breastfeed? Oh, you also know that he when I was writing my book, I was sometimes writing it in there because I would wait for an hour and one time he came in. And he was like what are you writing? And I was like I'm writing feminists book about like, you know, but bunch of different stuff like sex, Ed, and pay gap and all this stuff. And he was like my in it. Okay. Anyway. So I tell her all this, right? She goes what's his name? And I told her and she goes, he's my partner. They're they're in a partnership together. And I honestly at first I had the I was like. I felt embarrassed. And those like, oh, no. I was like you should do something about it. Because every time I say his name someone tells me another story about him. So anyway, hopefully, that's getting taken care of John. I just clarify say that the stories are at sexual what I've ever sexually assaulted. That's what I'm saying. He's just inappropriate. No. He just is like, oh, you're a comedian. Let's let's do some joke around well EA full hand in your fucking sharks. Yeah. Any Hugh what so point being women female doctors often experienced burnout at a sixty percent greater they're at risk burnout sixty percent greater than men. I didn't say any of that. Right. I know what you mean female doctors burn out risk is sixty percent greater than men and are greater risk for depression and are two to four times more likely to commit suicide and are very concerned about the consequences of consequences of reaching out for help because they don't wanna seem weak, and they don't want to seem like they can't do the fucking job, but their emotional sponges, and this is a generalization, but for the most part arguing so much more to patients because of their nature nurture. What everyone whatever what's expected of them. Perhaps they don't wanna seem cold whatever all the shit that gets wrapped up in being of being a female and they're getting fucking. They're getting burnt out because of it. I this. Doctor Kadota is doing something amazing after she quit. She is campaigning in Australia against the exploitation of junior doctors, and I hope more more hospitals understand the unique differences in experiences that female doctors have at their hospitals and take that into consideration. Because we need these amazing people saving lives here there everywhere. Patching up teenage knees busted from doing entry level par core on Santa Monica boulevard, helping breast cancer survivors, you know, helping if you have a hair plug incident, they can help you with that. That's true arns. Yes. Horned corn? Stuck your corn? Stuck inside? You've got corn on your feet. I did both gal both terrible. I say the next time. You see if you're female, doctor, which I only go to female doctors. Now when you see your female, doctor before she gets into the nitty gritty of helping you out you go. Hey, girl, take off your shoes. Okay. And then in your bag, you have whatever kind of lotion meant, a eucalyptus, whatever k- you take her feet. You put them right on your lap. And you just go to town massage them, but way to the lotion soaks in because you don't want the doctor then leaving because the hallways slippery. And then on and then. Yeah, you have a whole lawsuit. Then you get sued. Yeah. So you have doing something totally normal. I'm famous for my smile. Hi. It's me. What's your name? Gun gun gunny gunnysacks. Listen for all of you who need to dose something. I'm here to tell you quip is the best electric toothbrush created by dentists and designers. I'm calling it the best. Why is that? It is sleek. It is cool. I put mine right on my mayor. So it doesn't take up any counter space. It's not clunky. Like other electrical toothbrushes, truly it is designed so. Well, what do you think my gym bag it does? Okay. It when we go on tour. But he think I'm taking with me. All right. Okay. It has a built into minute timer. 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Wore a shirt that said protect trans kids that was a way to pack up punch and deliver a message Chee, and as far as I'm concerned that should that's what late night host should wear stuff like that people. But why not is it just was so sh. Refreshingly cool that I it did sort of make you wonder like if I don't people just do this. What a great way to like show off a political message, especially like shirts or like a great way to say something without actually saying, and he was smart in that like, yeah. Who who's going to argue with protecting children? Nobody come for me. So Don Cheadle said come from exactly. I want to switch over to. What was the band? The ever clear. Very clear is ever current sublime in amount in mash up. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So do you know I was trying to figure out how to to to their songs together. And since impo-, I can't even think it would ever clear song Batty wants me that smash Mel ever clear. Hey, now, you're an all smashmouth. That's actually the same song. Just different parts of it. Ever Clare early in the morning. I'm rising to feet who's that? Sublime light me best cigarettes ever. Hello mother. Hello father. That's ever. I am smoking. They do have a Hello mother. Kind of song. I thought I don't think the father of mine one. Oh, yeah. Father of mine. I ain't got no father of mine. This'll Maria to the tune of me. Okay. You. I hate them all to their awful if that guy hadn't died, they'd be playing county. Someone died from sublime. Oh. Oh. Football player. He didn't have a crystal ball. He couldn't tell it. He didn't have it, Michael. Sam recently spoke at an event in New Mexico. I believe and it was the first that we've heard from him in a while. And he was he was pretty candid about his struggle in the NFL and how he felt a little bit. Once he got in that. Yes, he made history for those of you who don't remember in two thousand fourteen he made history as the first openly gay athlete to be drafted by an NFL team. And he was a huge watershed groundbreaking moment. His career, unfortunately, it was very brief as a professional NFL pretty early, right? Twenty fifteen so eight months, he technically quiz. Citing mental health issues, but he did a lot of work, I guess on himself, and and has said that he's now overcome those mental health. I if you issues, but that most of the result from that had to do with forgiveness of other people including himself for letting it way on him so much including for family members. Who do not accept him have never accepted him who heard him in the past and still hurt him? Or who may be hurt him in the past any wasn't full circle, but that himself so and also, of course, the NFL themselves when he candid about specifics where he was just like these in general are like people who've wrong being mostly talked to general terms. He got a little more specific when it came to the to the NFL, again, the NFL has not had an out active gay player on any of their teams since Michael Sam they've only come out retire. Exactly. Ed. So it would be a huge moment in a sport. That could frankly use some great PR because I think everyone is basically everyone now any good parent should. Not that their children, enter the sports because I agree the lasting effects of it are and again, it's not even immediate the these people do not get any insurance that lasts them their entire lives. And they need it. Once they retire. They needed their entire lives because all of these brain injuries can not become symptomatic until decades later, it's horrible. They used their bodies discarded. That's right. Not to mention the way that they have the only is turned its back on people. Like, Colin Kaepernick, they could they could stand to do a good thing or cheerleader situation. Colin kaepernick. The factor concussion. They don't pay taxes, they don't pay their employees correctly. So. Sam said in the speech at the university of New Mexico that the NFL gave gave him a raw deal. He said it was tough to forgive them. I love football football gave me an education and gave me the opportunity. I so desperately needed at the time. I really am grateful for the sport. This is what drives me crazy not about what he said. But also, this is football and professional sports are a major come up for a lot of apple. And then they don't get protected and it's wrong. But it's wrong to have talent like that. And the idea that this is going to get me out of a situation oftentimes poverty oftentimes. And then you're not being taken care of it's it's actually unconscionable. So Michael Sam came out to his college teammates before his senior year at the university of Missouri that same year he won the title of SEC defensive player of the year, which was in two thousand thirteen which is a huge deal means he's a fucking talent. A huge talent southeastern conference defensive player is. Is where do you think that is southeast? Yeah. We're what stay like. Okay. He had expected at the time to be drafted in the second round, which is very high up. And how do I know how draft works? I'll tell you when Shane ki-ho a Gina ki-ho son of the real housewives of Orange County was drafted for baseball. It took like the thirtieth draft for his name to be called. And his dad was so disappointed. His that was a true peace of shet- and talented baseball player. He was good. He was good. Was he the best was he like, no Babe Ruth or whatever he was honestly earned. I have to be honest with you right now. He was no Babe Ruth. He was no Babe Ruth front who'd Babe Ruth. What team be he play for? Fuck. Yeah. Bay. What my babe babe my pain, and what's any Djinnit ge- ge- ge- ge-? Jeff Jackson Jackson Mississippi. I think he played for the for the show watch. Fuck you play for the Bochum bread trucks for the sharks. They use a jet the jet. He's a jet. He wasn't. He was a jet Bobo west side story. God who do I I liked the sharks better? But I like the song when you're a jet better. Yes. A hookah be sharks. Happy around song with the name in it. I mean, granted they got America. Which might be the best song. They music. Oh, that's what I was thinking officer cookies the jets. Go on. Okay. But the jets is a real team in the sharks isn't correct. Why aren't the sharks any kind of Florida do sharks? Yeah. What's it? Why does it Florida do sharks? I mean, I know I'm Minneapolis wouldn't but why not floor. It seems like the shirks would be a great mascot is it because too many people get eaten by sharks there. Yeah. They have a negative reputation assaulted jet s high Ritz. Yeah, the buck. The Broncos Broncos kick you right? A fucking fake forty Niners. Excuse me. Can you name one person in California who wants to be fifty? It turns out that Michael Sam. Did you just keep full of people who are it? Yeah. My he expected to be drafted at the second round. After all these accolades, and after a very successful college career, he wasn't drafted to the St Louis Rams until the seventh round which was one of the last picks that year that made no God damn sense. And even I know that according to the Albuquerque journal albacore kill Alba Kuku Albuquerque journal, Michael Sam said that he did regret coming out before the draft because it he he can't prove it. But at I'm here to say it hurt his career chances. It absolutely did. He said, I think if I never would have come out never would have said those words out to the public. I would still be currently in the NFL. I believe it do you think his do you think coming out though, somehow saved him from a life of like, it's a hard thing. It's like, so he might not know that. Yeah. It's hard to say, what's he doing? How's he making money? I don't know. He's not doing the thing. He loves I know for a while he was playing for Canadian football team. But I don't think he has any longer. Where are the why are why is everyone in the NFL so goddamn afraid to band together, and and speak out against this stuff? I guess money money. I guess they don't also just jeopardizing their Calero opportunity. But if you all if sixty percent of the seventy percent a lot of people did so many of those athletes took knees. And I don't know what the hell, I don't know. I don't Roger Goodell guys. I'm saying things, I don't know more like Roger bad L O. So also, I think probably in his estimate what maybe didn't help that. He thought his of inconsequential at the time. I don't know if any remembers this. But there was a camera on Michael sand. Because everyone knew he was going to be drafted. Everyone was surprised that came so late even though they sort of glossed over that. But when he got the news that he was drafted. He kissed the one person who had been completely supportive of him. And that was his boyfriend, and he did it right on camera and ESPN arid, and it was a big deal. It made headlines everywhere that was the big headline. And he said, well who the hell was I supposed to kiss which? Yeah. Agreed. That someone I don't know your family situation. It's highly. But you've insinuated that maybe they haven't been there for you. Well, and also, let's not underestimate the power of of kids young kids playing football who are gay seeing that on TV completely and not to mention the fucking bigoted straight Bros. Who were seeing that on TV and it being inconsequential, a rocket great or maybe a rock their world for a minute. Good. So Michael Sam briefly played for the Saint Louis Rams briefly played for the Dallas Cowboys then was in the Canadian Football League playing for the Montreal Alouette s- Lewis. Away. One more time. Please. Right. According to the Albuquerque Kirke journal, I keep saying that I'm not saying it anymore. Alba cuckoo. It's so easy. Fine. He was called negative names by players on the Rams. He also revealed. No what negative name he was called. You're a bad player. Yeah. Yeah. I like your shoes. What do you drink decaf? He also revealed the Fidel calbos coach Jason Garrett only spoke to him twice when he joined the team and the one of the two times that he'd spoke to him was to let them know. He was cut. He said that he'd liked his ramp. Rams coach a little better. Even though the team mates weren't as weren't very friendly. I think it was really touching here. And what we spoke about earlier was Nadia monta who is a student at university of New Mexico where he was speaking who identifies as lesbian asked Michael Sam. When did you start accepting yourself? He said that it really didn't have much to do with the NFL. It was after a relationship ended because he was ashamed of being gay. That's why their relationship ended. And he's that I'm not gonna miss out on love again. Which is a big deal. I don't know that sort of heartbreak. I don't know this sort of. I know the kind of heartbreak of your family not accepting you, I know that heartbreak. I don't know the the the double whammy of not having your family, accept you. And also not doing what you love. I'm very very lucky in that. Like, I love doing this show. I love doing the acting stuff. I do everything I do even though. Yeah. Sometimes it's annoying. I'm very lucky. I can't imagine having all of that taken away for me. And also not having a family. That's a that's a lot to deal with even because I think even when people Michael Sam is changing lives, whether but I don't know how it affects him and he needs to have a speaking agent title. Holy die happening. If you are in entertainment, and you're writing a football story, or you're writing a TV about football, or etc. Etc. Etc. They hire consultants from the NFL all the fucking tights. Right. If you want to Pat yourself on the fucking back for being a liberal Californian in the entertainment industry, you better. Call Michael Sam up and be like bitch. I got a job for you. That's right. Also I wanted to. Oh, sorry. That's why wouldn't just list them other teams that have animals that are I think is equally as dangerous as sharks, okay exist. Obey the Carolina Panthers. The Panthers will rip your fucking throat out there. But the very sexy the Atlanta Falcons, they'll just they'll take your eyeballs out everything. Yeah. Vikings. Airs? Eagles. You're right. Giants giant. That's terrified you after. You've put taking the beans. You're right. Why no sharks where are agw ours Steeler? What's a Steeler Steeler? Like fuck you Bengals ravens. Everyone knows ravens are just filled with lice plague. Maybe I'm thinking of pigeons. Well, the birds are birds are. Yeah. Yeah. And like catalysts, others others. Don't make sense lines are harbingers of death. Yeah. Where is this shark shark is a beautiful animal and without the shark. Well, there's the same. They could swim backwards. Brian, always San Jose, Sharks can exist. I've never said that listening to San Jose Sharks. What are they hockey? Yes. He said, no. In water that doesn't make sense. It's not the same. It's a good there. They've moved past being under the water. All right. Well, for now, it's acceptable. So would they do other fish things? I'm guppy. I'm a I'm a river snake is that what how hockey does is river snake? Ria de is. That's why I don't because I've gotten riverside. That's why you don't sue him in Texas lakes. No, there's fucking snakes. It's really any natural body of water because every time you'd be a tiny child trying to enjoy your childhood you dip your fucking finger or leg in the water. And then your mom comes and snatches you way, because there's snakes it'll eat you alive makes a newts and everything hotel. Yeah. And also moccasins. Yeah. What's that place in Austin where they've taken the river and made it into a little schlitterbahn, and it's not us in. How dare you know, something Barton spring Ovar? So filled with slime say really it is. But the pool that they've made from it is not almost drowned in that once well because it's slippery is fuck get is Sabrina. It's freezing. Yeah. They made it pool out of it is it heated. Can I go breeze? It's freezing. Yeah. I guess mindell. Yes. An N D E A. What you X? Oh, you're you're Cajun. I don't know. What I am. I did twenty may that. What do you think? That's what I think. 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Cowboys fall, Lakers-Rockets brawl, Pressure on Eagles?

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Cowboys fall, Lakers-Rockets brawl, Pressure on Eagles?

"I've wanted Welkom to a Monday morning here near city first things. First, I'm Ben wolf. That is the hall of fame, Chris parter that is Nick rice. Eight rates weekend a football and some basketball and baseball. So we. It's a lot of good things to talk about today. Show the pass, barely escaped Chicago Cam Newton, let a comeback for the ages against the Super Bowl champs, but why don't we start with the Cowboys in Washington yesterday, look in a win tune row for the first time all season in the fourth deck, Prescott strip sacked by Ryan Kerrigan in the end zone, Washington recovers the Rupp ten less than two to go deck, runs it in that cuts. The lead to three Cowboys. Get the ball back deck finds co Beasley to get them into Washington territory of field goal to tie it from fifty two out and it bangs off the left upright. Washington holds onto win twenty to seventeen here is deck Prescott after the game going over time, who knows what happens. So it wasn't a worst performance out there today is a lot that we can learn from we can get better from. And as I said, going to this by, we does some that we're gonna take real figure out while we're not doing as well on the road as we're. At home and we're gonna figure out how to put ourselves in the best position to succeed. I, we've got a great team. We've got great guys in that locker room that all support each other. I mean, I've been part of some good teams since I've been playing the game of football and this team is special. So our heads down heads up and ready to get better this week and move for in the season. Somehow glass is still half the fall to Washington winning this game yesterday, man, they shutdowns Zeke and credit to them because that was the least productive game of zeke's NFL career. And that. I mean, there's guys trying to stop him from doing his job. We talked all week when you're playing the Cowboys, you go into a game and you say, we have to slow down or stop twenty one, and they did a better job than just about any team has done since zeke's entire football career since probably dating back to a high of steak with that said, we showed it in the highlight that Dak mistake was an absolute killer. I ended. They had a third and four. They converted that they ended. Up being called back because of a penalty on the rookie right guard, Connor Williams. And then immediately thereafter, Dak tries to get himself out of trouble and just sets the ball on the ground. I mean score in that situation, thirteen ten, you're right there. And I mean, it's hard to overcome that now. They almost did. I understand they had a forty seven yard field goal that turned into a fifty two yard field goal because of a snap infraction. They miss it, but top when you're that limited offensively if you let the other teams score on defense very difficult to come back from, I got to give a lot of credit. The j. group we don't talk about Jay much. J. hadn't been talked about much of his career. You know this with his brother Jon Gruden, getting most of the ten even in his retirement. John was more popular as a broadcaster there at at at at the other network and in Jay, he's out here is trying to make a living as NFL coat, but for him to have his number one running back from LSU. They get him this year. He gets hurt, they. Oh, out in the free agent wire acquire Adrian Peterson. He said, we're gonna play behind this offense of line after making that trade for Alex Smith, they don't have quality wide receiver. So this was a game. They didn't have no wide receivers on the field. So for me, I gotta give credit. It's nice, say their defense played will leaning on this offense of line in the grit and hard work of Adrian Peterson has made this team after six games. Therefore in to this because of their head coach like it's a tough gritty football team. There's not one unit on this team. You're in love with. Most of the running backs are, Alex Smith is who he is fourteen completions yesterday. Why receivers defensive backfield, Josh Norman is not to player. He was. They do have a consistent little pass, rush as a group, but not great, not a great group of linebackers. It has to be the head coach and what he's delinked weekend week out given Washington, a chance. That's why they're in the conversation of, well, who's the best team in CE's. You gotta get Washington after their. Win fifty. If you watch the game, like this is a good quality football team. Both these teams need at wide receiver. I mean, we're poaching trade deadline. If Washington at one of those top wide receivers who might be available, we'll be talking about later, maybe Amari Cooper, maybe some other guys, Mary Thomas there from Denver they would be in position to get them playoff spot in the only unit on the on Washington that I feel like is be plus or better is their offense of line. And yesterday it looked like they had the best offense of line on the field yesterday. It looked like Trent Williams and sheriff, and those guys get listen. I wanna get Peterson credit because I've been down on him for two years now. And this year he is having a resurgence. So like I didn't think that was possible after the football. I watched him play last year, but a lot of that credit goes to him and that offense of line who was playing excellent football throughout the or keeping Alex Smith upright and opening those holes for Peterson. But if you're. Dallas. You look at this game and you say, Washington beat us with our blueprint. He said, fourteen completions right? Ran for over one hundred yards that won the turnover battle one that I think one the time possession battle barely was close, but one like all of the things that Dallas tries to do to win football games was solid. Special teams, Washington was able to do to them. And yet we go into every game that that that Dallas plays and we almost expect them to win because we feel like they've such a story franchises, and this is what they do. But if you look at the Cowboys and Washington over the last couple of years, since twenty fifteen Cowboys are twenty nine and twenty six Washington twenty eight, twenty five and one. Why don't they just expect so much from these Cabos? Why do we -ssume that they've got so much success? The last couple of years Jin it's high. I mean they got a lot of fans got a lot of fans out there in the media love the Cowboys, but it's height. This is not a good football team, like I can't believe that they thought they were gonna Bill through. The season with their wide receiver. I made a stink mistake Hearns. I thought her and it's going to be on track four thousand yard season. No, he looks like eight number two, three four. Why receiver? The only why that they have is Michael Gallup. The young kid just drafted this year. He's the only promising why received they have the compla- outside Colby's -ly he needs some help. I mean, he's been there most dependable wide receiver, but the height around the Cowboys. It's real, but you man. I mean that if you look at it since the start of two thousand fifteen fifteen sixteen seventeen and now a quarter of a white halfway through eighteen. Yeah, half game better than the Washington Redskins. Wow, that that's the prising most people they would never would have believed it. I didn't know what you were going to say there, but I can't like I know that the Cowboys because they had the one great year the one awful year mixed in there because twenty fifteen was the injury year twenty six was the Dak here Washington a team that despite being in the nation's capital goes under the radar. Same. The every year since they moved on from RG three, they've been as good as Dallas now and by the Dallas got to figure out what the hell's happening to them on the road like now their own for on the road. Now, the home road splits are Twenty-eight a game three and home with no turnovers to what they do. Yes, right. Oh, they turned it over again. They lost again. So now they have, I think, eight turnovers on the road scoring thirteen game and their own four that you said on Friday. All they gotta do is find a way to win three games on the road. Potentially. If they're going to be that good at home, those three road wins in look, hard to come by when I write. When do they play in New York? When did they play the giants? There's there's maybe one pass that I don't know where they're finding it. I take break time now for put a great on it sponsored by carmax. All right. We saw Dak Prescott had an up and down performance yesterday threw for two hundred seventy three yards. Threw a touchdown, ran for another. He also lost two costly fumbles, c, put a grade on deck Prescott performance yesterday. It's hard with that because the town. I know around them is not the best in the league. I gotta give them a c. That's about it. When you turn the football over, he was hunkered for a de. We had a little pop quiz. He got a little better up this. Great. I'm going to give them a c, but when you turn the football over, it's hard to pass Knicks class. Yeah. I mean, he threw for two hundred seventy yards. He had the one big plate of Michael Gallup, but his offense scores seventeen points and his offense gave the other team seven in the most critical spot of the game, I think, sees too nice. I d plus, I mean that he had good completion percentage completed it through by Dak standards, a lot of yards. But the two turnovers scoring in the teens. Again, I can't give them a good right D-plus coming up a game, we didn't think would be this close. How're the patriots able to hold off Chicago Bears next personally. The World Series begins tomorrow on FOX, Manny Machado in the dodgers taking rookie vets and the Red Sox game. One of the fall classic tomorrow, mardi applauded starting at seven thirty eastern on FOX, and the Fox Sports is fired up for a World Series. I could be that doesn't involve my hometown team because the dodgers got we because my favorite player in baseball, Machado won like in more and more every day. Favorite put because when he burst onto the scene years ago, everyone was criticizing him always too exuberant. And he's awesome Puig's. Awesome. Machado. I'm starting to like more and more Kershaw who's been unfairly maligned as whole career, and they're playing Boston who wins way too much in every sport couldn't win much. It's because they're good. It's just the city. It's just Brandon. Man, you know, I don't branding his strong, I'm and we're trying to get more people to watch Joe. I'm appealing to LA base right now. You can appeal to a Boston base. That's fine. Dishonest. You guys good? Yes, the world I now see there. I'm good series Brown's Watson, typical Cleveland fashion with bucks, kicker Chandler. Cotton's RO hitting the game winning fifty nine yard field goal in overtime. LeBron James was not happy longest. I know Baker was stunned with the longest field goal ever in overtime, come at against his team. The king tweeted, Kim been missing from fifteen twenty twenty-five out with nobody else on the field all year. But of course he would make from fifty nine yards outbursts. The browse like Komen. I don't know exactly what lebrons talking about what it says. First of all, there's no fifteen yard field goal. Second of all, he says, nobody else on the field. So I don't really know what he's talking about, but I felt his pain yesterday with the guy that picked Cleveland to make the playoffs. And now they keep losing heartbreaking. They are very close close every week every week they get close four overtime games, but do you remember a couple of weeks ago? See when I said, did you see Baker face on the sideline? I didn't know that was like the third or fourth. We're going to see the same. The same reincarnation of the face with every. Can't get a win on the court tough weekend and his other team, the Cowboys. They kick a problems too. That's his other team. You're right about that time. Now for stores to start your morning sponsored by Gillette clear gel. Patrick Mahomes continued his Ruddick Yetlis season threw for over three hundred seventy eight yards and four touchdowns as the chiefs while upped the Bengals forty, five to ten McCallum press was Mahomes. Last night. I was wishing Coachman. Gina was on the show today. The last few weeks. We've seen some ways attack. We still need to see more okay. I'm like, we still need to see. Okay, so last night was against a team that if they lose becomes the one seed in the AFC he played a nearly flawless football game. I think he missed one throw to throws maybe all night. One got picked off one could have been a touchdown, barely missed the guy. I thought he played great. The variance of things he did as a quarterback. You can see him on the scrambling. He'd made good decisions staying out of real contact right here. Hardy Nickerson son, right there is a linebacker to make a bad call right here. Step up in the pocket shakes to defend off of his arm shows strip right here, shoulder stroke to the cornerback Drake, Kirk, Patrick, get him in the flat and tho- the corner right here throwing off platform across his body the way to coat to say, don't don't don't don't do that. So yes, very impressive with the variants of things that he's able to do from the quarterback position. Now, they're MVP candidate Todd Gurley scored three touchdowns yesterday's the Rams dominated the Niners thirty nine to ten girly now has fourteen touchdowns no one else, even got ten girly in the MVP conversation. He's got to be in the conversation. They played three receivers most of the time on the field one tied in and Todd Gurley. They're gonna play a style ninety percent of time to spread the field. You have power back like him spread to feel great vision has the burst Bill to score from anywhere on the field great receiver out of the backfield. I mean, key is the type of back that she won in this often. Right now l. bell still on vacation best all-round back that we have in pro football tied girl. I mean, he finished second name BP last year. Yes, definitely. In the conversation this year I love what they do at the goal line because they have those three wide receivers. They don't bunch it up the spread you out and they basically make you pick your poison there and girlies killed him on credit to the ram signing top talents, Aaron, Donald, and Todd, Gurley, look what they invested in. These guys got new contracts and they're playing is after playing for a nother new contra money. Well-spent moving onto the saints in ravens drew Brees became the fourth quarterback to throw a five hundred touchdown passes. However, this game came down to the wires, ravens kicker, Justin Tucker, missed his first extra point of his career, his whole career saints go on to win twenty four, twenty three, Nick. What was your reaction to the loss is the best game of the day really? Well, played both sides of the ball by both teams not a shootout. But game with good offense and really good defense by both teams in this game. I Justin duckers been kicker in the league for nearly a decade. Yes, he's and he is distantly in the argument for best kickers ever. I couldn't believe he missed it. I mean, I didn't believe he hadn't missed an extra point dating back to high school like nobody could believe it. He's won a lot of games revolt, the more he. I mean, he was bound to give one away. I didn't expect it to happen in this fashion. Yeah, I saw miracle Godia the way for New Orleans. I was at the Minnesota miracle NFC divisional round game. They deserve a little miracle going. That's why drew Brees took it. Hey, man, they took it running off the field. We'll take that one. That was a strange like someone had the ball on the string right when it out the uprights tougher Baltimore, though, with Cincinnati losing, they could have jumped into first place by themselves. They're division instead both foreign three Jags quarterback got benched in the third quarter, the game against the Texans yesterday after fumbling for the second time, Jags lost twenty two. Seven, their third loss in a row after the game players were reportedly arguing in the locker room. The team projected to do big things this season in a tailspin. At this point head coach, Doug Marrone explained why he pulled his quarterback. Just literally did it to try to get a damn spark from this football team to put everyone on notice okay to that, they have to focus and they have to go out there and play better and at points in the second half they did that. That's not fair to the quarterback, but that's the way businesses. So really when we talk about it and the questions are going to be well, who's your starting quarterback next week? And you know, the focus will be on that. But for me, it's on everyone. Don't think anything ever surprises you play this game at this level. The fumble. The second fumble cody's me go in. Take care of the ball, give yourself a chance to score points and win, or at least punt and try to change supervision. So I didn't do that and they may change do the same thing. I've always done show up to work and prepare, get ready to go and work as hard as I can. And if I play play, if not the not do whatever I can to help us team Gwen. What was your reaction to two things? One to two Marrone pulling Blake Bortles and also to the reported discord in the locker. Among curious what you think about all that. And I on the Blake Boorda's. I'm not surprised that he pulled him. What he said is exactly what you looking to do. You're trying to create some type of spark some type of energy to your team to get them back on track. As far as the discord, I don't mind discord, not one bit. I don't mind it because when I think of the discord, I see guys in my head that are frustrated that it means something to them because they know what they have in front of them class. Campbell talked about it yesterday in his post game interview. Look, everything that we still want accomplish is still before us is still out there in front of us now whether they accomplish that is completely up to those guys in that locker room. So the discord is is frustration because they're not winning. They're not the team that everybody was so high on going into this season with the expectations of automatic Super Bowl bids in their defenses and playing as great as they did last year offense definitely get off to a great start with. Blake Bortles. But as of late they done nothing. So I don't mind the discord, the Blake Bortles benching. It was warranted. Listen, last three games. He's been terrible. They've been owned three. He's been even worse than what you expect from. Blake, Bortles last three games. He's got a passer rating of sixty. He's got six picks in two scores, and that's not even mention the two loss fumbles this past week. He's been awful, but as far as discord in the end, the listen, the Jaguars have made this bad decision and doubled down on it repeatedly. They had not last Colin Kaepernick. Nah, we, we don't like his politics. They not particularly this offseason teddy Bridgewater. Now we're going to extend Blake Bortles entire subsequent for this year and next year. Why? So we can free up cap space signed Dante Moncrieff art, great. Well, done. Everybody like that has been something we saw coming anyone that watches. Football has known. The Jags are always limited at quarterback as long as he's there quarterback, but thirty points a game, the last three weeks, what this defense is allowed. This defense, all of a sudden is out there leaking oil week to week. Now I understand it can be frustrating when you feel like Manafort down ten were dead because of our quarterback, the defense has to be better additionally like so this is it's not to me the situation where the deep into the locker room can just be yelling at the offense saying, you put us in this position, not when you gave thirty Kan city fifty to Dallas and twenty this week to Texans team that had many protect your quarterback all year long. There's only one answer this. I'm gonna give it to the Jacksonville, Jackson, it's free and it's not a public service announcement. This is just free advice. Swallow your pride, pick up the phone and call cap. Now you want to galvanize your locker room with that defense, call cap, bring captain locker room. Let's see. Cap can change because he's better than the quarterback you have and I just believe right now in the season, I believe he could make a difference on football team. There's a lot of teams in the same spot as Ajay. The Jags, but they're not gonna have any answers. They're going to be picked apart by the media inside, they're going to be bickering. They're not going to get better, but they cannot quarterback problem. And when you have a quarterback problem, you gotta team problem. They made a mistake by not signing cap. They know it behind the scenes Nikolai, no it. They talked to cat, but we know it was a circle of political decision and not by the owner. But if they want to go to London, they want to galvanize team call cap. People be like, oh, okay, Chris. Yeah, let's just call kep. He's a lot better than what you have. If you're trying to play that type of system, let's Brind it out odors. No one better than plan. That's that's how they wanted San Francisco. That's how they want to went to the Super Bowl and cap is the type of quarterback. He's a better thrower of the football in Blake Bortles. He's a better runner of the football. He's been a better winner. He's a better leader than Blake Bortles. So you get what you pay for this decision that you've made. So you decision right now, that's that's the decis. She made and you made your players go out there and why? Jalen Ramsey out the, oh, I love my quarterback. Oh my, that's a flat out lie and players who have played on teams that have marginal quarterbacks. They know that and that's what you do. You lie on a regular basis. All, yeah, we're happy. We're satisfied with that guy was a bum. He's been a bum for a few years now, but the players on the team when you're a leader team, you know what you gotta do you have to vouch for them? And it's hard to vouch for him. And yesterday the coach said, you know something, this is a Nuff, but it's not a good message to send to the team. You know, the reason why great, because it's inconsistent. So now if you're Callejas Campbell of your Jalen Ramsey you've been playing good football, maybe not your best football. So now if you have a bad game, Aban plate been chew, it's not fair weaned bliss bench, Blake through two years of him playing bad football. So it's not a consistent message to build a sin sin to a team. You mentioned you mentioned the guys being or not. You actually. Okay. Coach Marrone. He says this opportunity to galvanize our football team in our locker room in. And when I think about when I think about what everybody tries to do when it comes to galvanizing teams, there's always this adversely will adversely is gonna hit every single locker room every organization every single year. And when you have a situation to your point at quarterback, it only escalates everything. This is not a position that you can do a patchwork job, middle of the season. This is something going in that you are well aware that this is this is our barometer. This is this is what's going to get us over the top going into the season. They knew that and they put their eggs all in this bucket and basket when they had other options that they could have explored and they did not do that. So this is on them, but you said it, they knew going in that this is who they have a Blake Bortles. They know what Blake Bortles ceiling is what they didn't realize was that the defense was going to be giving. Up thirty points. Again, they didn't realize Jalen Ramsey was not going to be the same player was last year because the team that rode their defense and say, no matter what we do on offense. Defense can bail us out suddenly isn't bailing them out anymore. That's all true. Let's go across the board. Defense hadn't played with, but I ain't gonna get over your quarterback. He's still can't change. That defense end play will. Okay. But your quarterback is not good at playing and you had no contingency plan going into the year. We thought it was a little questionable that the patriots only had Brian Heuer's their backup. Even though Brady never gets hurt and is never going to be benched. The judge went into a year, knowing their quarterback could be benched with Cody Kesslers their backup option. The New Orleans Saints have drew Brees. They valued backup quarterback more. They got two of them tastes hill kid with a little wildcat scat, bat guy and teddy Bridgewater. They went out and said mid dirt right before the year, we're going to give up a draft pick to show. Shore up our backup position. Do the same three quarterbacks better than the Jags have anyone on the roster? Yes, like the this is sometimes just because you're on a pro sports team doesn't mean you know what you're doing in all areas. And the way the Jags have addressed this position which is to where it has been. We talked last year how the Jags were number one number two in every defensive category. And before the year I said, Jackson, make the playoffs why? It's very hard year over year to not have the defense leak a little bit to go from number one to because they number good. Exactly, right. You call capcity. I'm doing the number. I mean, they you expect the divas is gonna fall off a little bit and they had no contingency plan on offense. It's not Cody Kessler. Should we wait or you can do. Great. Okay. We're gonna take a break. He's going to call cap, Greg, stick around. Can anyone slowdown Patrick Mahomes and the chase that's not pursing Spurs. Becky with Greg Jennings teams that have been the most impressive so far this season, Gregg have to be the rain from chiefs. Both coming off wins again, this weekend, Pat Mahomes threw for three hundred fifty yards. Four touchdowns in the chiefs win over very good Bengals team Mahomes now has twenty two touchdowns to lead the league as for the Rams they remain the NFL's only unbeaten team. They blew out the forty Niners thirty nine to ten that guy right there Todd Gurley three touchdowns to on the ground one in the air. All right. I'll start with you. Which team was more impressive yesterday chiefs or the Rams for one when you get to this point in the season. I think my ninety eighteen we were seven to note and we lost the Tampa Bay. I think on on a Sunday. So when you get to this point in the season, you know, from a continuity standpoint from confidence standpoint, that your football team, it's just a matter of how good you going to be, how many injuries you're going to sustain coming down the back stretch of the season. So the Rams even getting to seven by I was on a team that got two seven. Oh, that's a major major accomplishment from a mental standpoint to be consistent. But what Kansas City did yesterday was far more impressive from the team. They were facing the quarterback to offense. They were facing and the way the defense plate. Now, Aaron, Donald four sacks. Let me tell you some day for any player, so so how you mentioned the Rams without mentioning that, but what they did against Cincinnati and Kansas City. I believe the confidence that this defense is going to have now I believe that the Rams are better football team, but more impressed. Had to be more impressed with Kansas City, Greg, and what they did last night to Cincinnati. I agree one hundred percent and it's because of who they played their opponent that when you look at both of these teams opponent, obviously Cincinnati Bengals who who's leading their division still leading division, I believe with that law. So when I look at the Kansas City Chiefs, the way that they've been able to win has been impressive at my expectations for the reminisces no disrespect to the Rams. We understand that they are great football team, the best in the National Football League. But as far as being impressed, I'm watching the Kansas City Chiefs on my television screen in all while by the misdirection, their ability to get receivers, open their defense, stepping up creating turnovers when they were the last, you would have thought the Cincinnati Bengals would at least made it a shoot out against the Kansas City Chiefs defense. But what the chiefs were. Able to do defensively as well as offensively. It's been very impressive. I'm glad you mentioned Aaron Donald. Just quickly here when you see a guy get four plus ax, we've seen that before. It's almost always an edge player against an overmatched tackle. We saw, I I want to say was Adrian clayborn last year against their flowers, a nationally televised game where flowers could get no help or about twelve. I mean, it was or Winston Justice gave up huge OCU manure years ago like you see that sometimes and interior guy getting four sacks like that when he's double their double team in every play. Right, see or at least they're trying to. They were trying to. He was magnificent. He went on clinic last night and so now for Aaron, Donald zero, Sachs's first, three games of the year. Eight sacks in the last month of football. He has been tremendous, but what you're saying about the chiefs is how about this in the last two weeks? Patrick Mahomes had to throw into what. Next-gen stance calls a tight window. Two times total guys are running open like there's they scored forty and forty five yards without Mahomes having to fit in any creases like one of the windows. One of those two passes by the way got picked against New England the the one in the end zone like he is these guys are they're running open. You cannot scheme one guy out of the game. He's finding the guy, absolutely right. It's not like it's everyone's wrong, correct. He's finding the guy who has run wide open and you can't scheme one guy out of it because, oh, well, that what the patriots to Kelsey. Okay. How'd that inform? I know they won the game, but not because they stopped the chiefs offense. Like right now, the best thing going and football is the chiefs offense. I know a lot of people think the Rams and the best team, but the best thing going in football right now is the can't see chiefs often. Okay. Their defense played great yesterday. Why did their defense look that way yesterday and differently all the games before that no one. Cares if they continue to look like that, we don't care and they don't care as long as Mahomes is in this offense is putting up thirty five points. Is that what they're gonna have to do every game though in the first half exactly in when you look at this often have been putting up has been putting points all season long. So they're defense has had opportunities to get after quarterbacks. They've been playing with the lead. They've had opportunities to get after the quarterback create turnovers. They just haven't been able to do those things. But I, I don't care. I don't want to say, I don't care how my defense plays offenses this great, because sometimes your offense can become your defense because you know how bad your defense could potentially play. But when I look at these guys running wide open really quick, I give credit to not only Andy Reid, not only Patrick Mahomes these receivers, but the office of line giving them time. Everybody takes credit when you having this amount of. Jess? I've never seen guys run this wide. Yes, I have the other team that we're talking about the St Louis Rams. They have a lot of guys. I run wide open as Jinnah. Great question about their defense. It's going to always be in question, but the players that they have put into replace the guys that had been injured, you can see they're starting to get a neck. So it's not a matter of sometimes what they can do. We'll let me call a defense of stuff that they stay away from their weaknesses. Orlando scandal is giving them a little lift at the corner spot long. They keep AJ green one on one on the outside. So starting to understand that four is playing at a high level on that defense, getting them a pass, rush weekend and week out. Even though they don't have Justin Houston, but the -bility to understand those replacement players, what they can't do and you can see the defensive coordinator putting them in winning position. And that's what we saw last night. Bob Sutton, I and I'm not gonna sit here and make the case the chiefs have some underrated really good defense. What I'm going to tell you is a lot of the yards and points they've given. Up has been after they are way ahead in their five of their wind up fourteen three in the chargers. Twenty one. Nothing on Pittsburgh. Thirty five, seven hundred Francisco. Twenty-three nothing Jacksonville, thirty eight to seven last night. So those five wins. They've started the games hundred thirty one to thirteen. So the defense does play a little softer. They are. They drop back a little bit now against doing when they couldn't get a critical stop when they needed it. But I think some of the numbers are little inflate. Greg. Most important down in football was what third-down third-down. They've been good at third downs, seventy, five percent so that that right there is that right there is going to watch going forward turnovers in third day, amazingly the best third and long defense football this year. Break up to Cam Newton, just pull the plug on eagle season. That's next person. I. On FOX case battled Cuyler Murray and number eight, Oklahoma, three thirty eastern. Then it's a Pac, twelve showdown on f s one fifteenth. Washington takes on Cal. That's all coming your way Saturday on FOX or watch anywhere on the bus sports. I will get to camps crazy comeback against the eagles in a minute, but first check out Jarvis Landry with a diving, catch the two yard line and reaches down for the touchdown, great awareness that that wouldn't have been a touchdown last year was in survived the ground when he reached it across the ball comes ios. But I mean in today's NFL it is a catch and a really smart play by Jarvis really, very, very aware news a little bit short. I'm glad the rule was changed even though I did want. Glad it was changed because now you know what people don't call on Monday and be like, was that a catch? We catch is now nothing noble about Kareem hunt, twenty one yard, Ron Saint to be caught after a two yard gain, spins away hurdles of angles defender. He so good. That's why cream hunt is the argument against spending a top ten pick on running back because there are guys such as him. You can find later in the draft. He has been a revelation that he'd led the league in rushing last year. He's averaging one hundred fifty yards from scrimmage over his last four games after a slow start to the season. He's been great after seeing some of the video of Patrick Mahomes playing basketball and baseball. I'd love to see who's the best Adly owned, Kansas City's offense. Oh, that'd be a heck of a current clinician. John Hopkins with an incredible one handed catch over Jalen Ramsey that wouldn't good. Less Jalen is going to say this was spectacular. Great release off the line. The scrimmage hold the db with your right. Hand spirit with his left. No, this to gloves. This guy can catch it to best pairs of hands and football. Both the guy's got locks flown out the back of their helmet, Larry, FitzGerald, and deandre Hopkins. The best guys at those types of catches the most consistent hands and football. 'cause they breed the here, making thing Panthers taking on the Super Bowl champion, Ingles Carolina down seventeen, nothing in the fourth, but mount the comeback here, Cam finds Devin funchess less than five minutes ago later in the fourth Cam to Greg Olsen for the touchdown Panthers now up twenty one seventeen eagles going for the win. Fourth and two and Carson gets sacked, Philly loses. They fall to three and four on the season more losses than they had all last season. Here's Cam Newton on the wind. You know, moving forward, this is a confidence booster for us. You know something that can celebrate the production offensively defensively, as well as special teams. Players game players have to make plays and. We try to coaches, we put him in position to be successful and and we gotta valuate that and just coach better play better. We have to learn from these these easier. These are things these are. These are games that that galvanized football teams and this is going to do that. This is going to bring us even closer together. Basically told them that, hey. Pressure's off us. Nobody on the outside world given us a chance to do much of anything and pressures off, so we can go play, have fun and just relax and, and a lot of football ahead to, you know, we, we still have. A bunch of games and still anything's possible. Anything can happen. And you know, we treated one week at a time net Cam Newton, walk into the fourth quarter trailing, seventeen nothing. He had to get his team seventeen points and then some any did it. How impressive was this comeback? I wanna give Kamat Tana credit, but I don't think Cam is the story, but to give Cam the credit. I mean just look, you said agenda. I three quarters what he did and then in the fourth quarter, what he did, we show you side by side. I three quarters he was having his worst game of the year. He was awful. The offense was awful. They for the second straight week. They were down seventeen nothing in a game this week though. In the fourth quarter, brilliant, didn't miss a throw. And I had a fourth and ten of fourth in ten at his own thirty one down three in a spot. I the announce because it was on the north side of the two minute warning now saying, maybe you punt here and look at what Cam does takes. It jumps. And finds Torrey Smith former Philadelphia, eagle Fernie, Norma's play that put him in field goal range, but they weren't satisfied with field. We'll go and get the touchdown. So all the credit of the Panthers and Cam for huge comeback. But to me, the stories Philadelphia blowing a three score, fourth quarter lead, and now you look at, oh, wait, Philadelphia, in one of their losses against Tennessee, they blew seventeen to three. They now blow a seventeen nothing lead. They have one game all year. They won decisively ten days ago, eleven days going into the giants, their win week. One against Atlanta, Atlanta, blew it in the red zone repeatedly and their win against Indy. It took a seventeen play, seventy five yard drive for them to end up pulling that one out of the fire and they almost lost it in the end. Again, like this eagles team, they looked like the Super Bowl champs once all year, Thursday night. This last Thursday against the giants. And like we said, Friday, see if they had a performance like this. I would say it here. Monday and say that game was more about the giants being a disaster than Philadelphia. Having founded away to me. It's about Cam Newton in the fourth quarter. I, I can't believe it's almost eight o'clock. We start at six thirty. 'cause if this was Tom Brady and Tom Brady had done that if he had a one thirty three pass rating in the fourth quarter at Philadelphia, we'd be talking about it before that if it was Aaron Rodgers, we would've talked about if it was Carson. Wentz Cam Newton was up seventeen points and Carson Wentz at comeback. We would have talked about it before Cam Newton, the way he played in the fourth quarter with his arm, not as its in his brain. He'd be the world champs with his head. This is what we know Cam Newton is capable of playing. This is the level where no, he's capable of playing his MVP season. We saw almost week after week after week. But you gotta give credit to Ron Rivera as a coach. He always has his team believing in the players that they have. How they're going to play, but bringing north Turner at this point in cams career, he would surrender what he knows about quarterbacking and north Turner work with him. That's what you could see in the fourth quarter, the jump past the instincts to build. I'm going to stay in the pocket and not try to win this with my legs. Relying on my head that mean my brain and my arm. That's what I saw on that fourth quarter and I thought we should talk about it more. It was a tremendous game by one of our best quarterbacks that we have on the road against a world champs. I wanted to ask him about what Doug Peterson said and some of his comments talking about how he's trying to change and you could see what he's trying to do. He's trying to change the mindset in the locker room to get back on the platform where they were last year. We're underdogs beliefs and he's trying that again. Okay. All right. We're not in front. We're not in the driver's seat anymore. No one thinks we can do anything at some point. They have to stop thinking about last year as mangino miss. It's over. This is a new season. They've got Carson Wentz. Now he's got enough games. Under his belt where he should be playing the way they wanted him to play last year. Talked me about whether this eagles team can can write their season. We'll kill Newton was the story until Doug Peterson, I. Okay. Trying to listen to him in the press conference because I'm like, no, you are head coach. You're not trying to be a head coach in his comments are coached just pulling for strolls. You can't go into an NFL locker room and tell these guys with eight nine games ago to play in the season. Hey, guys, there's no more pressure that's a lie and players know when you're lying to because there is pressure in matter of fact, the rest of the season there's more pressure can lose their jobs. Right. Absolutely. I mean, Doug Peterson, aren't gonna lose his job of course now with the Super Bowl, but you can't go into NFL locker room after game two guys. There's no pressure. Well, the pressure I was put on you guys before was false pressure, fake pressure. So now there's. No pressure. No one outside this locker room believes that we well, those guys locker room don't believe you can win either because you lose seventeen point lead at home guys begin to question each other and their own ability. I just think this eagles team has no identity right now. None. If you told me at any point last season, even win. Foles was the quarterback. They got a seventeen point. Fourth quarter lead, good night. Good luck that you know what that's going to turn into a twenty four or twenty seven point. Fourth quarter. Turn your quarterback getting her exactly right? Because you're gonna have to drop back to pass nearly every play. They're going to be able to unleash those pass rushers and it's over this eagles team that they blew a lead in overtime this year that that's only been done a handful times in about history because open to recently. It wasn't possible to do it. No lead is safe in a negative way. We can't see chiefs, no lead-safe against them. No lead right now. A safe for Philadelphia to have and for the head coach to say, you use seized on the just go have fun part of it. You cannot play the underdog Cardi more. You played it to its fullest extent. Last year you cannot anymore say, oh, nobody believes us defending champs. You have the most winnable division in football, and you're blowing Dallas and Washington yesterday were trading who wanted to lose that football game. The giants might be the worst in the NFL you're sitting right there and you blown multi score leads to the titans. A seventeen point lead at home to the Panthers, like I don't get it what Johnson set right here and told us how much, how much fun is it today in Philadelphia. Watch the names. Okay. This NFL just slow down when you start criticizing New England and what they're doing because I guarantee you it's a lot funner today with Bill Belichick and his crusty press conference than what your coach told you guys yesterday was last time pants, blue seventeen point, lead home in the fourth quarter. My guessing back and win. Rob Ross was the quarterback, certainly not Grady embellish. Great. Talk this cops. Next. Back here first things. First, we are going viral. LeBron James made a staple center debut for the Lakers on Saturday, and there were some familiar faces waiting for him outside the arena with an impostor. JR Smith hold his sign that read. It was just one play in a fake Thailand with a poster that said, come home. The fake JR looks good, tight. Lou on furious. Who that world, but let me just tell you some. That's a bad beat. Their for tight. Lou major major shrinks, oh my God, Mercer ties. One of my favorite people in the league. That's a bad beat him. The JR things per major major looks like a JR. I used to be a player right now on a guy holding up a sign that is buddy. He's aged since LeBron's to absolutely Cavs. Have to Cavs getting blown out at home by the Hawk's KOMO gym time. Now, for stories start, you warning sponsored by Gillette cleared child, love my job. Kareem hunt continues to dazzle for chiefs offense. He caught two touchdown passes while running for eighty six yards and a touchdown as the chiefs speak down the Bengals Nick, how important is hunt to this chiefs offense? Oh, wildly important because he forces you to not just be able to play the past. You have to worry about Kareem hunt. He said it, he and the often to line three weeks. He wasn't very productive and he said. Or the off into line actually said four him. Well, we've just been so successful through the air. We haven't had to run him. He's Secondly touchdowns hundred yards from scrimmage per game the last month you need him because you need when you have that lead to build a win four minute offense to build run out the clock. Have teams use up all their timeouts, and it sets up that devastating play action pass. So that running game with Kareem hunt is important. I moved on much has made of the Rams explosive offense. But Aaron, Donald dominated forty Niners yesterday with four sacks and six tackles for loss Rams improve to seven. No, they won thirty nine to ten, Chris. How important is Aaron Donald to this ram success? They don't have an outside rusher be so he becomes really important. One thing you have to worry about their rush defense last year, not very impressive this year it becomes important him and Dominic and SU there. He is a star best defensive player that we have a guy also just got a busload. Of money still playing like he's trying to earn a new contract. I love it. The reason that you heard me audibly gasped when you read that is this was the game in the afternoon, Window's paying the least attention to because it wasn't close and we was, I knew he had the four sacks. I didn't know yet a half dozen fellows go along with him. He had ten tackles in the backfield yesterday for an interior player that's almost unheard of. But your point about the money is such a good one. He and girly got paid early. Both of them are playing the best football of their respective careers post contract, which is what you always wanna, say, girly rhymes, early, moving onto the saints. Ravens drew Brees became not. Drew Brees became a fourth quarterback to throw five hundred touchdown passes. However, this game came down to the wires, ravens kicker, Justin Tucker, who does not miss extra points, missed his first extra point of his entire career saints, win twenty four to twenty three Nick. What was your reaction to this? Justin? Tucker felt like a sucker after this one am I right. Listen, he's the best kicker. He's the best kicker in football has been for nearly a decade. He is the surest thing that position and just see you set it like it looked perfect. And then all of a sudden it just exit stage left. I heard one of the ravens. He was like, oh, Justin, Tucker, that mother. Retire truck. By the way, huge win for the saints as they gotta figure out who's going to get that second by the NFC, assuming the Rams sake, the first one big win for them. I finally, let's talk a little Blake Bortles because we may not be talking about Blake bottles that much longer the Jags quarterback up benched in the third quarter against the Texans after fumbling for the second time. So the Jaguars lose twenty to seven. It is their third loss in a row. After the game players were reportedly arguing in the locker room. The team projected to do big things. This season is in somewhat of a tailspin at this point, head coach, Doug Marrone explained why he pulled his quarterback, just literally did it to try to get a damn spark from his football team to put everyone on notice, okay, they have to focus on. They have to go out there and play better and at points in the second half they did that. That's not fair to the quarterback, but that's the way businesses. So really when we talk about it and the questions are going to be well, who's your starting quarterback next week? And the focus will be. The on that, but for me, it's on everyone don't think anything ever surprises you playing this game at this level that the fumble, the second fumble Douglas. Go in. Take care of the ball, give yourself a chance to score points and win, or at least point and try to change supervision. So I didn't do that and they may change do the same thing. I've always done show up to work and prepare, get ready to go and work as hard as I can. And if I play play, if not the not do whatever I can to to help this team, see, what did you make of Marin pulling Bortles there? He should've pulled him and Blake Bortles got news for you. If you want to be successful, stopped showing up to work doing the same thing you've been doing because you don't get the same results. All right. It's the definition of insanity thinking. I'm going to get different by doing the same thing. So change that even if you don't say something different at your press conference, they should have been benched him like you're not gonna win the Super Bowl with Blake Bortles starting quarterback, but this you are a psalm of yo decisions in life, and this is the decision that the Jaguars have made. They double down by signing him to an extent they have to sign they have to. They made a conscious choice. They won't Blake Bortles as their quarterback managed the game. We're gonna have a great deal. Offense, but I'm tired of telling you call capman swallow pride. He's a lot better. No matter where he is right now is six, five, two hundred and twenty five pounds in great shape. He can play that. That's the sound football. You wanna play caps, the best quarterback to have for and do I believe he can grow as passing game? Yes. Do they need some explosive weapons off season? Yes, but they need to have cap as their quarterback, their defense, their defense would improve. If you want to try to galvanize this team, do something like that. You had a chance to get teddy Bridgewater didn't even try. Let him go off to New Orleans, like as if they need a quarterback. See, it's not only that they doubled down on their decision. Blake Bortles they don't want a competent backup quarterback because they don't want people clamoring for the back who's their backer Cody Kelly kaslo you know? So he was so good. Cleveland couldn't name use him. He was so good. He could barely starting college at USC. He played completed his first pacifist. Korea, I never complete. A pass in this league. Like that's why certain teams have a backup quarterback. So they're in the best position to win if their quarterback gets hurt, and certain teams have backup quarterback that they can call a project, but is really just someone who is so unknown or bad that no one's gonna call for the backup, no matter how poorly the starter plays. You mention cat, listen, I know cap is not talking publicly about the collusion suit. You and I got to sit down, talk with them. He didn't wanna talk about it in even in that setting, and I'm no lawyer. But if I were, I think I might just present some game tape from yesterday and set it at the judge's desk exhibit a. Cody Cutler exhibit CJ, Beathard exhibit see Derek interested in his added bonus. Brock Osweiler guy who do his credit played while yesterday down in Miami, that's that is an eighth of the league yesterday that would play in quarterbacks that going into a game, you know, should not be starting in this league, but see and I have some added Intel on this, not from discussions with Colin Kaepernick from discussions with people that. No, the owner of the Jaguars and shod con was okay with this wasn't an example of the owner vetoing it. This was an example of Tom Coughlin deciding winning football games is not the most important thing to me. No, he had. He made the decision to. He was either live or die in the cat concept of coming to Jacksonville die with Tom Coughlin. Because when you look at you, don't look to your coach to been his problem. Don't look the Blake Bortles because he can only be who you are. It's Tom Coughlin's fall. So when you look to someone to point to Tom Coughlin is the reason why Colin Kaepernick did not sign with the Jacksonville, and that's the reason that c brings up cap in relation to this is not just because they have a terrible quarterback who got benched, but it's not there other teams, you might say in San Francisco, like they lost Jimmy g. there's other spots. Right? But this is the one spot. There was forward momentum that it was everyone had given it the okay last year and then Tom Coughlin veto style. L. wise cap fits with this Jaguars offense all look at his numbers. If you want to be a dominant defense running team, that's with Harbaugh did and going to NFC championship twice by going to Super Bowl, only losing to Ray Lewis in the Baltimore Ravens on the fade pattern that him and Crabtree could not connect on. So yes, his worst days are Blake Bortles career days. That's Colin Kaepernick was as a quarterback in this league. Let's not forget this. So their politics have gotten away of their football. That's why right now they have in the mutiny. That's why they add each other's Nick. Yeah, they got problems in Jacksonville and ain't get no better because they go into London, which is the only place to people are cheering for Blake board who helped the team win yesterday, Eric redid, Eric, read almost had the game winning pick. I know he had some stuff before the game and after the game, the bothered some people. But on the field yesterday, Eric was a positive for Carolina. They probably don't win that game without him. They're actually trying to win them in their ownership team present. They're trying to go to the Super Bowl highlights funeral accent next week. Sided for that. Thank you. Move onto some drama in the NBA. Lights in jersey. Aka spit gate twenty eighteen rockets first Lakers Saturday night starts off with James harden and Brandon income getting into what I like to call a physical disagreement. Chris, Paul Rondo get into it and that's where things get nasty. Both players, throwing punches. Both players get a check yesterday. The NBA stepped in handed out suspensions, Ingram, four games Rondo got three, Chris, Paul got to Nick. What was your reaction to all of this? First of all, people need to know the history. These guys hate each other. Crisanto in Chris Paul, here's a quote from a PR director in the NBA regime requested unite. Ask anything about Chris, Paul now tomorrow or anytime in the future. That was the Celtics PR director in two thousand nine. So this has been going on for a decade back in nine, Chris, Paul and Rondo played each other and Rondo said to him, I champion, you'll never be one and Chris, Paul didn't play that Chris. Paul talked about it afterwards and they have been at each other adage, others throats since that moment. Now, what do I think happened here? I do think Rondo spin on it. I don't think he meant to. I think that if you look, I think there's a difference because I think people when you say spit, it's it's different than something being projected out of your mouth saying, when you're talking louder animated, something comes out of your mouth that would be more appropriate compared to. If you think about spit, you'd think someone deliberately spit something Ravi Alamar the is what you think. And So Chris. Paul's reaction wasn't like, I mean, I know Chris Paul, he thinks someone spitting space intentionally. He is not putting his finger in Rondos face. He's throwing immediately. He and this is I joked about it for the show. I think what happens what happens between you or me Jen about once every three months? One of us who we're sitting this close one of us, one of catches the other one with loose one like it happens. You're talking, you're animated. I believe that's what happened there. Now afterwards, I, I don't really blame in this. Were you might disagree. I don't blame Chris Paul and his finger in his face, and once he put his finger in his face Rondo it's not surprising to me that he swung. I'm glad LeBron grabbed Chris Paul to prevent it from escalating further because Brandon Ingram was trying to take it up another level, which is why Brandon Ingram he's started. It tried to end it, it's why he got the harshest suspension of anyone involved. But if Rondo intentionally spit at him, that is a enormous grievous error. But I don't think that what happened. I do think Chris Ball got some of Rondo saliva on his face, if that makes sense. Yeah, I could see this happening. The history is there. It's relevant also during the game as you watched a game, it got a little chippy. I can understand Houston. They lost opening night. They had to build a win this game LeBron's opening night. They feel like there's no one giving them any type of step respect in the west, Chris, Paul's return into the renew where he played also with the clippers. Remember the battle. They had last year with the clippers with Houston, supposedly, they went through the other and all those things. So yeah, for Israel, I don't like seeing fighting in sports. I just don't like seeing fine. I know that when you get into face to face confrontation with someone, I don't believe Rondo did it intentionally. I could see Chris Paul and his natural reaction, but I'm not a person that liked to see fighting at any type of sporting event on the court. I was surprised at the length of the suspension as far as how short they were. I remember mellow getting a double digit game suspension when he was a nugget got in a fight with the Knicks or it was a Knicks nuggets game where mellow punched and then ram back. Words, he got out ten plus games. We to see that Chris, Paul got to Rondo three and Ingram for that. That to me, shows Adam silver's approach. This is different than David Stearns. David Stern was no pun intended a little more starring in these instances. I wanna ask you one question because I know that these takes have already started. Do you have a problem that LeBron grabbed Chris, Paul instead of one of his teammates? I thought it was obvious. I thought, Chris, Paul's the one in front of him. He also not only obviously big and Chris Paul, but has the relationship to where if anyone's going to calm him down, it'd be LeBron did you have a problem with that? Listen, if you're trying to break up a fight, if whoever you're with grabbed the other person, don't grab me because then you end up getting hit. Grabbed the other person forget about been a relationship. When you break up a fight. I'm not grabbing my guy. I'm grabbing nerve there guy so I can hold him so I can build a restrain him to make sure if I really wanna stop the fight, stop the other person because if he would grab Rondo that wouldn't stop. The fight. So when you're involved in these fights players on courts and everything me and grabbed the opposition so you're doesn't get hit. So no, I don't have no problem with that male. Anything Braun does man. He worked wrong shoes. All right, that's that's what we're going to do. At the beginning end of the day, they're human LeBron has the most significant relationship own that court with Chris Paul and mellow that's real, but LeBron did the right thing grabbed the opposition so I can't get hit stop at her guy. You're gonna love streetfight get into it or girl. So now I now I just I wasn't sure how to handle them. With a beer bottle, never had anyone with a line. Okay. Bud lime and the orange, orange light, low cars, cracking Benny over the head. Got some hot. We gotta go Marnie. I didn't do that. Did Jason Garrett cost the Cowboys win on Sunday next, I think Spurs. Saturday and FOX cave battles. Kyle marine rate, Oklahoma, three thirty eastern. Then it's Pac twelve showdown on fifteenth, rank. Washington takes on Cal. It's all coming your way Saturday on FOX or watch anywhere anytime on the four. Seven, not anytime just when the games are actually being played because quite. Any time you watch our show on the at the walk, some World Series games on the am galaxy watch all those games anytime because of the big out of tune into, oh, you game this week. Column Murray is must see TV. He put on a show in Fort Worth, totally or good to see. You can't Chris, Chris canny former first Super Bowl, TRAN. Thanks for being with us. Magenta just I super first votes age of you're right when that two years ago. One that's. Can't kill them sixty three days a week when you come out and navy stumbling. You make. The ravens Bharti. A galvanized Johnston, jokes on jokes, Joe. Thank you for listening to the first things. First podcast. 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Best of The Herd: 01/10/2019

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

43:43 min | 2 years ago

Best of The Herd: 01/10/2019

"You know, people say necessity is the mother of invention. But that's not always true. Sometimes the mother of invention is advertising. Yeah. Or pure accident. How about ego maniacal delusion? Absolutely. Or just a desperate longing. To be cool. I'm Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. Who the host of the science podcasts stuff to blow your mind? And now we're branching off into the exploration of invention. Invention is the story of human history told one piece of technology at a time the things we made and how they made us invention publishes every Monday, listen and subscribe to invention on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you find your podcasts. Thanks for listening to the best of heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports radio and f s one find your local station for the hurt at Fox Sports radio dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. The best of the herd with Colin cower on Fox Sports radio. Thursday. Here we go. This is the heard wherever you may be. And however, you may be listening. We are live in law, and by heart radio, Fox Sports radio one one hour from now to get you ready if you play fantasy football if you bet the game you just wanna see who's gonna win this weekend one hour from now Greg Cosell stops by joy Tanner's. Joining me Thursday. Joe how're you the morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. I'm so happy today. What a week for us. What a week. This is the best time of the year happened. God I got poor in. I just in radical games this weekend. I'm going to have a blazing five tomorrow. By the way, I am. I'm going to have a blazing four tomorrow. Actually, maybe I'll pick a volleyball game or something as the VIP. Let me start with this. So Green Bay went out and hired Matt leflore? I don't know. I don't know if you're gonna be a great coach, I don't, but I know this if he gets the Aaron Rodgers thing right, then it'll work and yesterday. Hey, the jets hired Adam gays why because Adam gays and Sam darnold had a better connection during the discussion than Sam darnold and Mike McCarthy who did Baker Mayfield one as coach, Freddie kitchens. He got it, and why did Aaron higher cliff Kingsbury because they thought he and Josh Rosen we get along four for four so far the authentic coaches hired were the choice of the quarterback because due to rule changes the quarterback now is more important than the coach. So you gotta get it. Right. It did not use to be this way. Think I'm wrong. John Elway and Mike Shanahan one Super Bowls together. Sometimes not a great relationship. Terry Bradshaw, and Chuck knoll had major issues. One four Super Bowls Phil Simms and Bill Parcells were not best buddies. It was ugly. And they won it used to be a head coach and quarterback league due to rule changes. It is now eight quarterback and. Coach's leak by the way, look at the teams and the quarterbacks and the relationships this weekend. So the Rams were in the playoffs. You think it's a coincidence that Goffin McVeigh or like dad and son super tight the Cowboys will face the Rams, here's what we know about the Cowboys. Dak Jason Garrett are all in together. By the way, the MVP is Patrick Mahomes super tight with Andy Reid. He'll face Andrew luck and Frank right? It's fairly. It's an incredible bond. Oh, there's also Nick foles Doug Peterson. Tight facing Sean Payton and drew Brees tightest in the league. Are you seeing something here if you do not have a relationship work quarterback and coach our symbiotic it doesn't work by the way? Tell me the two teams in the NFL this year that you are shocked didn't make the playoffs. Pittsburgh Big Ben and Tomlin, not a great relationship and Green Bay Aaron Rodgers McCarthy. Imploded also teams that disappointed us Carolina Cam and Ron Rivera. My sources tell me they both frustrate each other, by the way, Matt Ryan, Dan Quinn. It's okay. Kirk cousins, Mike Zimmer do not see eye to eye Zimmer drives cousins drives Zimmer crazy sometimes. K didn't use to be this way. You could have the demanding yelling coach. Mike ditka. Didn't have to like Jim McMahon. It didn't matter buddy. Ryan didn't have to love as quarterbacks you could win Super Bowls. You can win your division for years doesn't work that way anymore. The rule changes. If the relationship is even a little off between coach and quarterback, it doesn't work Pittsburgh and Green Bay, by the way. Do you wanna know why Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers did not get along this year gay? I got this one sourced. They got along fine for years because there was a middleman there was always a middleman, but Alex van pelt got run off the middleman so this year Rogers and McCarthy had to deal with each other constantly and the minute. It didn't work that team folded and the coach got fired K so yesterday all these teams name the only team, by the way that didn't hire an offensive coach Denver. Now, why would Denver not worry about that whole quarterback thing they hired Fangio because Denver doesn't have a franchise quarterback that John Elway thinks is going to be around in for years. So they didn't give a rip then in care. They got Gary kubiak being the offense coordinator, he will eventually have to get along with a quarterback, but they don't think much case keenum. So didn't matter they went and got a defensive coach who by the way, Vic Fangio's a good coach not much of a personality. Not much of a talker doesn't have relationships with quarterbacks in care. Even Tom Brady this year, Tom Brady was always subservient develop check, we all know that right for years and years, it was Bella Tech's team and Tom did what he said he got rid of Wes Welker. He got rid of Randy moss. Bill ran the show. What happened this year? Brady said you re-sign gronk on my terms, and you get rid of Garoppolo or I'm out and Bella check said as the greatest coach in football history. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Even in New England for the first time the last couple of years, Tom has flexed. No, no, no. No. No. No, no. We're not getting rid of gronk resign him. Bella check. All right Bill. Check. Bella check didn't ever seventeen years Brady's like get Garoppolo out of town. I'm not getting. All right. All right. All right. It is no longer a coach quarterback leak is a quarterback coach leak four yesterday Aaron signed off on the floor. Darnold, preferred dais Baker wanted. Freddie and cliff and Rosen connect ship to this. So. A dynasty end this weekend. And I just wanna say this. Join I have said this multiple times she's been in this business a long time in longer just because I'm older we both root for stories. We've said that you think we root for teams know for content. We root for content content equals ratings contract extension. We want fun. We want car wrecks craziness. You know, the best thing that could happen to join us this weekend Dallas wins. That's good for us cowboy nation. Erupts Cowboys Ron FOX that's our team. And you know, the other thing that would be great for us. And you're not gonna believe this. But I will set a record Monday. If this happens the patriots, get blown out and the dynasty dies. Because a lot of people are connecting meet a New England through the years. I see the numbers they'll tune in to see what I have to say about the dynasty that got crushed chargers. Win by forty. They roll him. They beat them forty seven to ten. It is awful Brady stinks. That is great for my business. But that's not going to happen because New England going to win. But the chargers have better players do not arguing so to Jacksonville last year. So does Pittsburgh every year. So that Lanta in the Super Bowl Atlanta had better players go to the Pro Bowl list. Seattle at better players in the Super Bowl, by way, sort of the St Louis Rams seventeen years ago they had better players than New England. In fact, if you put down the top ten players in my opinion between the chargers and the patriots this weekend Brady one then Philip rivers than the patriots, Stefan Gilmore then. It's a bunch of chargers. And then Devin mccourty it seven to three chargers Brady rivers to Gilmore Desmond king Derwin James Joey Bosa Melvin Ingram, Devin mccourty Melvin Gordon keen analysis, and by the way, eleven through twenty is a lot of chargers. Seattle better players it Lanta had better players. Pittsburgh Joe has got better players chargers. Have better players Lanta. Did let me give you the advantages. If I may for New England at home, Bella Chac rested, weather experience significantly better kicker. The chargers are playing on back to back east coast games. There is not geographically unless the NFL creates a very quick franchise in Nova Scotia. There is not a further trip. The chargers could make for the second straight weekend. New England does have less talent. But this has become their brand that outside Brady talent doesn't win games. Being at home, cold weather, December January one or two trick plays. Very good bend. Don't break defense. I will tell you without question. And joy Taylor knows this and everybody in my business knows this. We do not root for teams we root for stories. I rooted for LeBron to become a Laker and LeBron to become a Miami Heat. And when those stories get old like LeBron in Miami. Lebron Cleveland, I'm rooting for another story. That's what we root for Dallas winning and New England getting absolutely lit up this weekend is fantastic. But I even think I know how this game's gonna go. A rested team on two weeks is going to start quickly. New England New England is ninety seven and eight at home when they score. I and in fifteen playoff games in Foxborough. They are thirteen and two when they score. I so they are ninety seven and eight overall winning ninety two percent of their games when they score. I and the west coast team travelling out east again will be a little unsettled initially New England gets on them jumps on them early. Then holds them off. It's not actually what I want. What I want is content. And the chargers blown them out. And the Cowboys hammer in the Rams give me a give me four days of stories. But I think New England is the is the bet this weekend be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, not an Pacific on Fox Sports radio affects one and the iheartradio app. If you haven't checked out my new series the end of the world with Josh Clark. The now's a great time to start the holidays are over the doldrums of winter had begun. And there's no better time to explore existential dread than right now. But wait, there's more to the end of the world than that. Yes. The series is about existential risks. But it's also about hope the threats that are coming our way that could wipe humans right out of existence. Could also be just the thing that makes us band together. In a way that humanity never has before in the end of the world. I take you on a journey across time and space from the moment asteroid collided with earth in set off a chain of events that wiped out the dinosaurs to the post biological future where we live in a digital format. If we don't already we'll explore big questions like whether we're alone in the universe and exactly how artificial intelligence could take control of our world from us. It also has a beautiful score. In cinematic sound design. So it's an adventure for your mind. Which is just the thing to snap. You out of the winter blondes all ten episodes of the end of the world with Josh Clark are available for you to binge now on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get podcast. Most things I think I can explain in life. You can find the answers for almost everything today on Google. You can ask any question the world. They'll have an answer in Google. There are some things though, I would say three things in the world. I cannot explain number one is smoking. Why people smoke you die sooner? It's a painful death. It's very expensive increasingly you are forced into tiny isolated places you've gone to an airport. Seeing the smoking section. That's a communal coffin. And it makes you smell get a patch. It makes no sense. I can't explain it. The second thing. I can't explain is states that allow you to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, you do get. There is no such thing as a Fender bender on a motorcycle you're upright or you're dead. That's the way it goes. You're either flying around or you're dead and some hippie in a Prius checks out downloads fish album, doesn't look and knocks you into the. Next county, and you're a street pizza ski resorts for should wear a helmet, you're going twenty eight miles an hour New Hampshire, you're going a hundred and eight and we're ahead ban. Roll good here. I don't get it. Here's the third thing. I do not understand. Nick foles is the best passer in the NFL. When blitzed I do not understand this. He does not have a great arm. He does not have great escape ability smoking states that don't demand a helmet and Nick foles being the best passer in the NFL. When blitzed I do not understand this Peter King yesterday offered this. It may be as personality. The fact that they get foles who's cool hand. Nick is he's told me I play with a quiet mind the day of a game. What does he do does? He study film. Does he do this? No, he journals about how to be a better father. I I'm just telling you, this is a different human being than a lot of the quarterbacks that that that we've known he tried to enter a game with classical music playing in his head Colin that is Nick foles. It is remarkable even Las Vegas does not get Nick foles Nick foles and Doug Peterson are now foreign oh in the playoffs. And they've beaten good teams. They beat the New England Patriots. And they beat the red hot Minnesota Vikings. And they last week went into Chicago and beat the bears and they're eight point dogs at New Orleans Vegas. Can't figure them out Vegas doesn't like him in Vegas usually has it right Vegas has them. Do you know what? An eight point favorite is in the NFL. That's like when a dog goes to Foxborough like you get over like six points in the NFL. You get the average score in the NFL's twenty six twenty three. That's like three times the average margin. We're down to the final eight teams. Maybe it's his personality. I do believe I've always had a little anxiety. I'm kind of hyper, I think there are certain people that are born, hyper and born calm. I was not born calm. I tend to be a little too intense a little too anxious a little too, hyper. I don't sleep particularly. Well, and then there are people that are just natural DNA. They just can walk into a burning building and their heart rate doesn't go up. I've seen this with race car drivers before years and years ago. They did a test on the late. Great, Dale Earnhardt, and his pulse. Didn't go up one going one hundred ninety miles an hour around turn some guys are just built a race cars and some guys are built to jump out of planes, and I'm not either. But this is fairly remarkable. Nick foles best quarterback. And by the way, it's not like, it's a fluky thing. The guys under him or like, breezing luck and Brady homes and most of the good guys, by the way, Dax way up there to be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, not an Pacific. I have told you before grading the hirings. What I don't believe in is. If you have a young quarterback. Jets have Sam darnold. He's trying to figure out how to be an NFL quarterback. I also don't want a young quarterback to have a coach who's trying to figure out how to be an NFL head coach. Freddie kitchens has never been a high school football. I don't love that move in Cleveland. So as bakers trying to learn how to do this thing he's got a coach who's trying to how to do this thing. I don't like that. I do like I don't like Arizona situation where Josh Rosen trying to figure out how to be an NFL quarterback. And he's got a college coach he's trying to become an NFL quarterback. Adam gates to the jets and jet fans are clueless dopes, they don't know anything. This is a really good higher. K Adam gaze is Kyle Shanahan before Kyle Shanahan years ago. Nick Sabin was a coach at LSU. He had this. You know, nineteen year old twenty year old kid on his staff name, Adam gays, and he gave them all this responsibility. Because Nick saban's like who's the smart kid? This is a guy that had Peyton Manning greatest year. Peyton manning. Call the jets, they're like smartest coordinator. I've ever had he won with Tim Tibo. Tim tebow went into six game winning streak. It was Adam gates, by the way, he had a winning record with Ryan tannehill thirteen and eleven he made the playoffs. The first year in Miami with Ryan tannehill the previous two head coaches that Ryan tannehill had had losing records Adam gates at a winning record with him. He's a really good coach. But what happened Tanna hill got hurt? He had us Jay Cutler and Brock Osweiler. And by the way, even this year with us why they had really good Sundays fall off on my really bad Sundays because that's what happens when you have a backup quarterback playing for you. But in the end gazes a great coach he gave the patriots trouble. He went ten and six rookie year. He was a very successful coordinator. Now, the downside is Kyle Shanahan ish. He can be condescending. He's really smart. And he knows it. He's very intense. He is in no, passive aggressive to them at all. He'll get right in your face. He's like Shanahan. He who. Go to a press conference in out reporters, he is really intense. And he wears people out. He had. A winning record with Ryan tannehill. No, Miami coach there's been three of them. Now have ever done that he made the playoffs the first year Tibo manning Sabin all call on his behalf. He's a super sharp. Well, he was fired who gives a rip Bella checks and fired in the NFL. Pete Carroll's been fired twice. Mike shanahan's? Got two Super Bowls been fired. Jon Gruden got fired next year won a Super Bowl. Jim harbaugh. Got to Super Bowl two years later. He got fired. And he reads been fired. Now, he's the one number one seed in the AFC guys the NFL's aggressive men to coach their aggressive aggressive guys. Get fired all the time. They get fired and radio TV. They get fired in CEO jobs. You can't worry about getting fired. If you're worried about getting fired don't take any grownup jobs, if you wanna be comfortable, go coach in college where you can dominate the Atlantic director, you pick all the players in the NFL billionaire owner, you're in a big city. The media's rough and a fire every fifteen minutes, and you're also coaching. Ng millionaires players scholarships NFL is a hard league coach in but but Adam gays jet fans like oh, listen Mike McCarthy, I think the great coach I would love to see him get the jets job. But I said my second choices Adam gates. I also said enjoy you're here. So you can verify this about ten days ago in the NFL was and all these coaches, they call it like black Monday and their fire and everybody who is the one coach I said that got fired that I would hire again McCarthy, obviously case. Yeah. I said that day of all these guys have got fired that Dez at Adam gates going to job. Yes. Because my sources all say's Kyle Shanahan before Kyle Shanahan. And by the way, Shannon, never been fired yet, but he wears people out, and he calls out the media, and he's Groff, and and he and Garoppolo by the way had battles already. I think being dolphins fan my opinion of gazes probably a bit skewed because I wanted to see him be successful. There wasn't again. I don't think your first stint as a head coach. If it's not necessarily successful is reflection of who you are as a head coach certain situations matter Miami is not the most stable organization. No, they fired Dave launched at years ago. And if you look at his first three years in Miami. He had more wins than Mike Tomlin. Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh kept Tomlin to this day. They fired that launched at made the playoffs netted better record than Tomlin. That's what the mind I love the dolphins. Obviously will they have a great place in my heart. But they don't get enough credit for. Bad decisions that they've made by the way when you're a dolphin fan. You hate the patriots, but the jets role so a big rival and was five and one against the jet. So he's a good coach. He's going to be very good in New York. This is a great by the way Sam darnold. Gotta choose Sam darnold gutten opinion. They put him on FaceTime. And he's like I like Adam gays more than McCarthy. That's the story today. All right with that over thirty five years NFL films as smarter guys. We bring on the show Greg Cosell, Greg. How are you doing car on tap into my friend? Well, we let's let's just start with New England who has favored against the chargers. I said, you know, I- Jacksonville. Everybody told me had more talent than New England and the Seahawks and the Super Bowl did and pitch for seems to and they kind of figure out ways to win. It looks like when I watched the chargers play. They have a great disparity talent edge on New England. Do you believe that to be the case? I mean, I think you could look position by position and feel that new in that the chargers are better. But I think so much of these games come down to specific tactics. And the way the games play out schematically. You know, I think when you look at New England there a little bit different team offensively than they have been in the past. I think they're a little more foundationally based on the run game. I'm not sure they can line up the way they might have in years past and just give the ball to Tom Brady the way they have. I'm not sure he's quite at the same level. He certainly not been as good on third down. And that's been a defining feature of their offense this year that Tom Brady's not been as good on third down. And the offense has not been as good on third down. I think run Cousy is not quite the same guy. I don't think he redirects quite the same way when you watch the tape. So again, I think that there's certain things you look at and you see on tape. You know these teams played last year. And I think you're going to see the chargers kinda do what they do on defense. The chargers play with six. Defensive backs to seventy -fensive back thing specific to Lamar Jackson, but they play with sixty -fensive backs as their foundational approach. They'll do the same thing is the chargers. Philip rivers receiving core is deep hunter Henry the tight end is back the running backs. They've got all sorts of guys who could make plays Philip rivers. And the chargers though, could not get the ball Manzoni against Baltimore. It was a lot of field goals. Does that concern you? Well, I think one area of their offense that is concerning and whether New England can exploited is a different question is their offensive line. I think that the chargers offensive line, by NFL standards would probably be considered average at best. I think Philip rivers are kind of quarterback that more often than not can compensate for that and camouflaged the flaws in his own line. But there are games in which he can't do that. I think Baltimore's defense is a really good defense. Ton of looks multiple looks up front and pressure packages and high percentage blitz. That that's a defense that they can't camouflage it against. So the question is can they camouflage it against New England who pretty much not a high percentage team and not a great pass rich defense. Let's shift to Kansas City favored at home against Indianapolis Colts defenses playing really well Kareem hunt. No longer a Kansas City chief, they don't feel quite as stable offensively. They're still again, they still have cheetah Travis Kelsey Andy Reid the schematics Patrick Mahomes. I think it's a solid line. They have Sammy Watkins who. I think overpaid. But can you know, he's still a weapon? I don't feel. They run the ball quite as well. I mean, what what what are the chiefs do ofensive -ly that you think they'll have success against even this very hot cold defense? Well, I think there's two really three things when you play the chiefs in my view one is you must have a plan for stopping tyreek hill when he lines up inside. They love to line him up in the slot. And in the. Insights slot. When there's three recite receivers to one side, you cannot let him run down the seams and get on top of your defense. Now, the cultural predominance zone defense, they'll be very conscious of this. And then there's Kelsey Travis Kelsey is the other player that you really have to take care of. And he works from a lot of different places in the offense. One of the things that makes Andy reach often so good is the multiplicity of formations. And the final thing that you have to deal with is Patrick Mahomes ability to make second reaction improvisational plays. I went through all his third downs. This week actually went through them over the weekend last weekend, and I was kinda doubted by how many came when he moved around improvisational. So he he's such a good throw or on the move. And he throws the ball down the field on the movies. Not check down guy. So you cannot let those big explosive plays happen off improvisation. I think the difference is I think Mahomes will make a plan. They'll win the game. I will say this about Andrew lock. It is nice to see him have a wall in front of him. I think Marlin MAC they're running backs. Underrated. I think overall their offense of personnel to tad. Underrated TY Hilton's a real player Ibran was always highly considered a little underwhelming. Their offense of line is at least pass blocking looks to be very efficient and looks fantastic. And it got depth at running back and they need a number two receiver. I don't love their tackle over. Sure. But I mean when I look at the colts, this is a real team. Now, this is not a Mirage. We I mean, I could see them winning with ball control that I was going to ask you what you thought I'm struggling in my own mind is to how come out festively clearly luck is playing at a high level. And I think he's a great quarterback. Is you do? But I'm curious as to whether they believe that they need to on some level run the ball game. That's what I or whether they're going to feel like, hey, Andrew luck is hot. And not that we wanna play a fifty one forty eight game. But that hey, we know this game is probably going to be in the high twenties and early thirties, perhaps low thirties. So let's let's come out and try to be aggressive. I think the colts want to take the crowd out of it. And you do that with five yard gains. They'll do a lot of pass to running backs pass to the I think they'll have a very mundane boring. Five play at a time a death by a thousand cutoff ins well. I think one player to watch him Hines as receiver because she's play tournament coverage. And I think they can get matchups with him Hines. All right. Let's go to Philadelphia's a big underdog. And here's the thing. I listen. Everybody likes to say Vegas likes the Saint. I get it. I mean, the probably win the game. But I will say this about Philadelphia. They've got a lot of be players, golden Tate, alshon, Jeffery. And they've got several Abe players like, I mean, you know, Fletcher Cox, personnel wise, and I don't know why this is I think Philadelphia's a really good football team. They may not have a ton of stars. On the offense. But I gotta tell you when I watched them play. They have guys who create separation. They have big play players that got situationally. Golden Tate was very good last weekend. I think Philadelphia matches up with the saints pretty well. I think it's going to be an intriguing game. I think look, obviously, I don't think it's going to be like the game was week eleven. I think Philly did some interesting interesting things defensively in that game we eleven and I'm curious what they're defensive approaches because when they played week eleven there were numerous plays in which they doubled Michael Thomas. They doubled Alvin Kamara now Ted Ginn his back, and he did not play week eleven and Ted Ginn is not a volume receiver. But he he's a vertical dimension. He can get on top of your defense. And I think that just presents a little bit different situation for the eagles defense. There is one thing about Brees. And I love drew Brees. But what does I'm curious on this? You know, they don't throw the ball vertically known. They're not they're not. I mean, we think breeze hall of fame they can dinkum dunk it a little. Bit greg. Yeah. And I think when reason they didn't do that much this year is because getting was out not that they're not if he was there they'd they'd be a vertical team, but they didn't really take shots very much this year. And that's where I think Ted Ginn is a factor, and he needs to be addressed. Because the last thing defensive coordinator wants to do is give up a fifty or sixty or touchdown. I think I for the eagles. It's interesting because there there were very sort of sustaining based off with Nick foles blast week's game against a good defense was very Representative of what they do with Nick foles strong emphasis on the quick game. Getting the ball at a false hands. Minimizing the pass rush. You know, working the middle of the field. If if you play pressman, he'll throw it to Geoffrey on the outside. And I think you'll see that this week. So they're pretty defined with what they do authencity just watching the video here from falls. He's got he's got a decent arm. Right. Not a great arm. But he's he's not a power thrower. But he can he can make throws. Philadelphia's just kind of a mystery wrapped in a riddle. Let's go to the final game. Cowboys rams. Okay. Listen, I saw stat this week. And I'm not a guy that jumps onto many stats. I do like to see what you get yards per play. I think explosive offenses big play offense can win game. Sometimes even when they're out played. But Dak Prescott leads the NFL and come from behind win last three years in fourth quarter game winning drives last year's it. Rushing touchdowns by a quarterback last three years. I will say this about deck. Forget the arm. I don't love it. I don't think he's an all time. I think he's eighteenth best quarterback in the league. But it does appear. And I don't know what the film says he tends to be pretty good in crisis. I almost feel like last drive of the game. I trust him more than I do. I drive of the game. What is tape say what's macro for one quick Cowboys have defined profile? They're run game. And their defense are among the best in the league. I think Zeke Elliott's the best back in the league. And their defense is very very good. So the way they. Play is they rely on those two things. They don't ask that Prescott to do too much in the passing game. But that profile keeps games close and therefore winnable in the fourth quarter. And that's when Prescott s- running by design his improvisational ability comes into play. And that's when he's good. But it's really interesting watching their tape. You know, how how limited their past game is they don't really ask him to do a lot. But he becomes a factor in close games in the fourth quarter and the runnings apart of that without question. And and look you could argue that they need to do more of that with him, particularly when you do get to the fourth quarter that is a clear weapon that he possesses. But you also have to remember look it was third and fourteen. They call it a draw play for the quarterback. Okay. They didn't want him to throw the ball in that situation. They wanted to kick a field goal. They didn't know he was going to gain sixteen yard. That's a real good point. By the way, I sold my ram stock. You know, most of. About week ten. I thought they were overvalued. When Cooper Cup got hurt. I don't think they're the same offense and girly then feel a hundred percent to me. I know we all love, Sean McVeigh. I know he's the Einstein of football. But the Rams have not been the same team to me in the last two two and a half months. I would agree with that. You know, I think that that has been a little bit up and down with his ball placement. I think he's a rhythm player. I think he's a timing player. I think this is an comes across negatively. I don't mean it as such. I think he's very programmed player in a very well designed and well schemed offense that presents the opportunities clearly, and when he's been a little off he's been missing people. Now, I think he's been a little better the last couple of weeks. So we'll see after a week off where they stand. But I think you'll also see some some tweaks in their offense by tweaks I don't mean anything to Matic, but little things that involve motion, you know, things of that nature to try to create some hesitation and indecisiveness defense. This. Will be probably the most watched game. So let's go to our big play of the week. It's a ram cowboy play. I'm told from last season. It's from last season. It's actually it's a play that a lot of people. Now know it's called all go h seem a number of teams use it. Let's run it right now. And we'll just see the play. It was a fifty three yard touchdown to Todd Gurley from year ago pass play and we seen it to out the league. Now as I said, it's all go halfback seem that's what it is. So when it starts with jet action just happens to be tape on Austin who with the Rams year ago. So he's going to go in jet motion. Here's the Algo part three receivers are going to run vertical routes. Okay. And then there's Todd Gurley. He's the halfback. He's going to run a scene route. That's the H seem part of this. Oh, it's all go eight CM with the jet action being part of it. So what's going to happen? Here's you're going to start this play with Austin working across the formation in jet. Action. That's actually going to have an impact on the defense any critical impact on defense. There's Austin and you see that he's came across on jet motion. There's the two defenders for the Cowboys who both reacted to the jet action across the formation. So they're not conscious of girly. And then you have the wide receiver lifting the corner on the outside with vertical route. So we end up with his girl running down the seam on the H seem the halfback seem beautifully designed play as I said it's been in the league. Now a lot of teams run it people. May remember it from week one year ago on Thursday night when Kareem hunt scored a seventy eight yard touchdown for the chiefs. So it's it's a play that now is throughout the NFL. Good stuff. 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Listen and subscribe at the podcasts or on the I heart radio app. We do big j journalism on the show. So this is one of my favorite times of the year for about three week period. I was talking to drive into work talking for twenty minutes this morning and couple NFL sources on the east coast is great and the phones on the phone the whole morning. I literally had two calls Kami in the morning did on Adam gays all this stuff. I also I said yesterday, I don't love when you have a young quarterback in the NFL and get somebody who's learning to be a coach Adam gates has been in NFL coach he's been to the playoffs. He's been a coordinator. So a Sam darnold trying to figure out how to do this. Adam gates done it. I don't it. Would it be any good? If I was in my first year of radio, and my boss was in his first year of running a radio station. Generally, if the younger, the broadcast or the more veteran experienced person needs as a broadcaster. I don't love the Cleveland thing because I think maker Mayfield got some things to learn in terms of maturity and running a franchise in, Freddie. Chins had never been hired by team as a coordinator. So he's trying to figure out how to head coach. I don't love that. I will tell you this though, that Cleveland I was on the phone this morning with somebody out east in the NFL. Cleveland's final two d think it was strange Mike McCarthy didn't get much of a look there. Bruce Arians said he wanted. But yet they didn't talk to Bruce Arians in didn't make sense. Did it they didn't they weren't interested in Adam gays who had been coat? Why did Cleveland have the two least experienced guys as their candidates? They had a guy that never worked with anybody. But the Vikings forty four year old guy, and they had Freddie kitchens who's been around the league but never been hired as a fulltime coordinator. Why I was told because John Dorsey is running everything he didn't want Greg Williams because Greg Williams has been a coach and has a strong point of view and John Dorsey didn't want that. And it might might McCarthy. Bruce Arians, he didn't want Adam gays. He wanted somebody could tell them what to do. That's just I do not believe in that. I think that's a recipe. For disaster. I it's not the way I would a job. But this is what I was told there. It is not everybody said remember this? Everybody told me Brown's the best job, and they didn't didn't interview. Seriously, any of the best candidates because John Dorsey is running the show here. And by the way, Greg Williams that a winning record if you're gonna hire, Freddie kitchens. Why don't you just give job Greg who has experience and winning record? Because Greg Williams has an opinion and we'll push back and McCarthy pushback and Adam Gasol, push back and Bruce Arians push back. And he's like now that don't you want somebody who pushes back? Yeah. That's kind of the whole what you wanna do. You wanna hire people that challenge you in any job? Of course. So I was told is this is this is not baker's team. This. This is Jimmy has team. John Dorsey is making all the calls all of them, and he'd have no interest getting pushback and Freddie kitchens owed him a debt of gratitude because nobody was giving. Freddie kitchens. A head coaching this leak. He. Maybe we'll get he maybe get an interview for coordinator job. So when you give somebody a job, they would never get without you. You'll be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, not an Pacific on Fox Sports radio affects one and the iheartradio app. There's only two coaching positions remaining Cincinnati Bengals and the Miami Dolphins and Bengals. And the dolphins are one of five teams not to win a playoff game this century, Detroit. Cleveland and the bills and Miami is obviously wildly dysfunctional, including interim head coaches the most coaches in this league since twenty two thousand four fifteen years. So the most coaches in the NFL for fifteen years, you think Cleveland's dysfunctional, you know, the raiders dysfunctional. The dolphins are tied for the lead with ten. So they're your team. They're an absolute mess. And I mean here the coaches, my friend, Dave launched who actually won games, Todd Bowles. Joe philbin. Dan campbell. Adam gay Adam gates got into the playoffs. They they got. Hit him Tomase. Ing Sperone all Cam Cameron, Nick Sabin. Jim Bates it it's a mess. So you can you can really make an argument the Cleveland Browns. They're understood they've been complete dysfunctional. I think Miami is equally dysfunctional, but they don't get the reputation. Maybe it's because Dan Marino and their history with Don Shula that they have this legacy years ago of success. So we don't lump them in. I think they also have no expectations every year. But it's getting so bad for the dolphins. They actually called our show because we we have a very pro NFL. We talk a lot of NFL in the show. Right. And they wanted us to run some ads for the dolphin John. And I watched them, and you know, so this is the first one the dolphins sent us. A please consider coaching there. Afraid of getting stuck in the same job. Come coach the dolphins. And we'll guarantee you'll be out of here in two years or less the Miami Dolphins, we're unstable you know, that that's not how I would have pitched it. It's not inaccurate. It's not inaccurate. It's not how I would have pitched the job though. Anyway, here's the second commercial ad. They want us to run. Want to see what is successful NFL franchise. Looks like join the dolphins. And you'll get that chance when you face the patriots twice a year that Miami Dolphins. We're waiting for realignment. Well, now, they do beat the patriots down in Miami. They're very good. They're the, you know, I mean, listen sometimes you have to acknowledge your rival. I mean that is the absolute fact are the patriots regular season in the last fifteen years. They've had fifteen coaches it's funny without him gays because Adam gates gone to the playoffs and gates at a winning record with Ryan tannehill. I mean, it's like Hello. You keep Adam gates for another year. But this is what Miami does here's the. Here's the third ad. They were kind of reaching here. What's better than appearing in a Super Bowl appearing in as Ventura pet detective the Miami Dolphins we've met Jim Carrey? I don't think that'll. Most serial killers don't make any effort to involve media or best estimators. They're very secretive. They don't wanna tension. They almost want their crimes to go on notice. But the idea of committing a crime, and then calling the police and bragging about it. That's a whole 'nother level of terror. 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I'm going to have a blazing four tomorrow. Actually, maybe I'll pick a volleyball game or something as the fifth. Let me start with this. So Green Bay went out and hired Matt leflore? I don't know. I don't know if you're gonna be a great coach. I don't. But I know this if he gets the Aaron Rodgers thing, right, then it'll work and. Yesterday. The jets hired Adam gays why because Adam gays and Sam darnold had a better connection during the discussion then Sam darnold and Mike McCarthy who did Baker Mayfield one is coach, Freddie kitchens. He got it. And why did Aaron a higher cliff Kingsbury because they thought he and Josh Rosen. We'll get along four for four so far the offense of coaches hired were the choice of the quarterback because due to rule changes the quarterback now is more important than the coach. So you gotta get it. Right. It did not use to be this way. Think I'm wrong. John Elway and Mike Shanahan one Super Bowls together. Sometimes not a great relationship. Terry Bradshaw, and Chuck knoll had major issues. One four Super Bowls Phil Simms and Bill Parcells were not best buddies. It was ugly. And they won it used to be a head coach and quarterback league due to rule changes. It is now a quarter. Back and coaches leak, by the way, look at the teams and the quarterbacks and the relationships this weekend. So the Rams are in the playoffs. You think it's a coincidence that Goffin McVeigh or like dad and son super tight the Cowboys will face the Rams, here's what we know about the Cowboys Dak and Jason Garrett are all in together. By the way, the MVP is Patrick Mahomes super tight with Andy Reid. He'll face Andrew luck. And Frank, right. It's as parents, it's an incredible bond. Oh, there's also Nick foles Doug Peterson. Tight facing Sean Payton and drew Brees tightest in the league. Are you seeing something here if you do not have a relationship work quarterback and coach our symbiotic it doesn't work by the way? Tell me the two teams in the NFL this year that you are shocked didn't make the playoffs. Pittsburgh Big, Ben and Tomlin, not a great relationship and Green Bay Aaron Rodgers and McCarthy imploded also teams that disappointed us Carolina Cam and Ron Rivera. My sources tell me they both frustrate each other, by the way, Matt Ryan, Dan Quinn. It's okay. Kirk cousins, Mike Zimmer do not see eye-to-eye Zimmer drives cousins drives Zimmer crazy sometimes. K didn't use to be this way. You could have the demanding yelling coach. Mike ditka. Didn't have to like Jim McMahon. It didn't matter. A Buddy Ryan didn't have to love his quarterbacks. You could win Super Bowls. You can win your division for years doesn't work that way anymore. The rule changes. If the relationship is even a little off between coach and quarterback, it doesn't work Pittsburgh in Green Bay, by the way. Do you wanna know why Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers did not get along this year? Okay. I got this one sourced. They got along fine for years because there was a middleman there was always a middleman, but Alex van pelt got run off the middleman so this year Rogers and McCarthy had to deal with each other constantly and the minute. It didn't work the team folded and the coach got fired. Okay. So yesterday all these teams named the only team by the way that didn't hire an offensive coach Denver. Now, why would Denver not worry about that whole quarterback thing they hired big Fangio because Denver doesn't have a franchise quarterback that John Elway thinks is going to be around in for years. So they didn't give a rip then didn't care. They got Gary kubiak being the offensive coordinator. He will eventually have to get along with a quarterback, but they don't think much case keenum. So didn't matter they went and got a defensive coach who by the way, Vic Fangio's a good coach not much of a personality. Not much of a talker doesn't have relationships with quarterbacks in care. Even Tom Brady this year, Tom Brady was always subservient. Dibella check. We all know that right for years and years, it was Bella checks team. And Tom did what he said he got rid of Wes Welker. He got rid of Randy moss. Bill ran the show. What happened this year? Brady said you resign gronk on my terms, and you get rid of Garoppolo or I'm out and Bella check said as the greatest coach in football history. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Even in New England for the first time the last couple of years, Tom has flexed then in we're not getting rid of gronk resign him. Bella check. All right. Belichick. New for seventeen years. Brady's like get Garoppolo out of town. I'm not getting. All right. All right. All right. All right. It is no longer a coach quarterback leak. His a quarterback coach league four yesterday Aaron signed off on the floor. Darnold, preferred dais Baker wanted. Freddie and cliff and Rosen connect, right? Let's shift to this. So a dynasty could end this weekend. And I just wanna say this. Join I have said this multiple times she's been in business a long time. I, but in it longer just because I'm older we both root for stories. We've said that you think we root for teams know for content. We root for content content equals ratings contract extension. We want fun. We want car wrecks. We want craziness. You know, what the best thing that could happen to join us this weekend Dallas wins. That's good for us cowboy nation. Erupts Cowboys are on FOX that's our team. And you know, the other thing that would be great for us. And you're not gonna believe this. But I will set a record Monday. If this happens the patriots, get blown out and the dynasty dies. Because a lot of people are connecting meet New England through the years. I see the numbers they'll tune in to see what I have to say about the dynasty that got crushed chargers. Win by forty. They roll them. They beat them forty seven to ten. It is awful Brady stinks. That is great for my business. But that's not going to happen because New England going to win. But the chargers have better players do not arguing so to Jacksonville last year. So does Pittsburgh every year. So that Lanta in the Super Bowl Atlanta had better players. Go look at the Pro Bowl lists Seattle at better players in the Super Bowl, by way, sort of the St Louis Rams seventeen years ago, they had better players than New England. In fact, if you put down the top ten players in my opinion between the chargers and the patriots this weekend Brady one then Philip rivers than the patriots, Stefan Gilmore than it's a bunch of chargers. And then Devon mccourty it seven to three chargers. Brady rivers to Gilmore, Desmond king Derwin, James Joey Bosa Melvin Ingram, Devin mccourty Melvin Gordon. Keen allen? And by the way, eleven through twenty is a lot of chargers. Seattle. I better players Atlanta had better players. Pittsburgh Joe has got better players charters. Have better players Atlanta. Did let me give you the advantages. If I may for New England at home. Bella, check rested weather experience. Significantly better kicker. The chargers are playing on back to back east coast games. There is not geographically unless the NFL creates a very quick franchise in Nova Scotia. There is not a further trip. The chargers could make for the second straight weekend. New England does have less talent. But this has become their brand that outside a Brady talent doesn't win games being at home, cold weather, December January one or two trick plays. Very good bend. Don't break defense. I will tell you without question. And joy Taylor knows this and everybody in my business knows this. We do not root for teams we root for stories. I rooted for LeBron to become a Laker and LeBron to become a Miami Heat. And when those stories get old like LeBron Miami. Lebron Cleveland, I'm rooting for another story. That's what we root for Dallas winning and New England getting absolutely lit up this weekend is fantastic. But I even think I know how this game is going to go. A rested team on two weeks is going to start quickly. New England New England is ninety seven and eight at home when they score. I and in fifteen playoff games in Foxborough. They are thirteen and two when they score. I so they are ninety seven and eight overall winning ninety two percent of their games when they score. I and the west coast team travelling out east again will be a little unsettled initially New England gets on them jumps on them early. Then holds them off. It's not actually what I want. What I want is content and the chargers blown them out and the Cowboys hammer and the Rams give me a give me four days of stories. But I think New England is the is the bet this weekend. All right coming up next. You know, how most things I like theories and stuff. I have my own theories on sports, not all of them are right. But I have a bunch of them summer tedious. Right. Someone wrong. But some things are also unexplainable in sports. And I just saw something this morning, and I don't have an answer. I do not have an answer. And it is remarkable. And it will affect a game this weekend and may create the biggest upset in the NFL playoffs in some time. And that is coming up next be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio affects one and the iheartradio app. Most serial killers don't make any effort to involve the media or investigators. They're very secretive. They don't want to tension. They almost want their crimes to go on notice. But the idea of committing a crime, and then calling the police and bragging about it. That's a whole nother. Level of terror. Dear editor, this is speaking. If you do not print the cipher by the afternoon Friday, first of August. I will go on a kill rampage Friday night. 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Seeing the smoking section. That's a communal coffin. And it makes you smell get a patch. It makes no sense. I can't explain it. The second thing. I can't explain is a states that allow you to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, you do get. There is no such thing as a Fender bender on a motorcycle you're upright or you're dead. That's the way it goes. You're either flying around or you're dead and some hippie in a Prius checks out downloads, his fish album, doesn't look and knocks you into the next county. And you're a street pizza ski resorts force you to wear a helmet, you're going twenty eight miles an hour New Hampshire. You're going a hundred and eight and we're a headband. We're all good here. I don't get it. Here's the third thing. I do not understand. Nick foles is the best passer in the NFL. When blitzed I do not understand this. He does not have a great arm. He does not have great escape ability. Smoking states that don't demand a helmet and Nick foles being the best passer in the NFL. When blitzed I do not understand this Peter King yesterday offered this. It may be as personality. The fact that they get foles who's cool hand. Nick is he's told me I play with a quiet mind the day of a game. What does he do does? He study film. Does he do this? No, he journals about how to be a better father. I I'm just telling you, this is a different human being than a lot of the quarterbacks that that that we've known he tries to enter a game with classical music playing in his head Colin that is Nick foles. It is remarkable even Las Vegas does not get Nick foles Nick foles and Doug Peterson or now foreign oh in the play offs. And they've beaten good teams. They beat the New England Patriots. And they beat the red hot Minnesota Vikings. And they last week went into Chicago and beat the bears and they're eight point dogs at New Orleans Vegas. Can't figure them out Vegas doesn't like him and Vegas usually has it right Vegas has them. Do you know what? An eight point favorite is in the NFL. That's like when a dog goes to Foxborough like you get over like six points in the NFL. You get the average score in the NFL's twenty-six Twenty-three. That's like three times the average margin. We're down to the final eight teams. Maybe it's his personality. I do believe I've always had a little anxiety. I'm kind of hyper, I think there are certain people that are born, hyper and born calm. I was not born calm. I tend to be a little too intense a little too anxious a little too, hyper. I don't sleep particularly. Well, and then there are people that are just natural DNA. They just can walk into a burning building and their heart rate doesn't go up. I've seen this with race car drivers before years and years ago. They did a test on the late. Great, Dale Earnhardt, and his pulse. Didn't go up one going one hundred ninety miles an hour around a turn some guys are just built the race cars and some guys are built to jump out of planes, and I'm not either. But this is fairly remarkable. Nick foles best quarterback. And by the way, it's not like, it's a fluky thing. The guys under him or like, breezing luck and Brady homes and most of the good guys, by the way, Dax way up there too. So, you know, all right joy with the news. Heard on the news. This is the third line news a phenomenon he really is. I mean, it the great coke sell came onto weeks ago. And I asked him who's better than he wouldn't entertain the question. He's like that's ridiculous Greg Cosell watches film. He's like it's not close whence is transformative at foals the backup. He would not answer. My question. He goes, I don't even know are asking it's going to be a real. It's gonna be a real conversation. If they get this game this weekend. So I got I don't remember a playoff game. If you're asking me, what would be good for our show. Fulls upsets the saints. Cowboys beat the Rams I think Mahomes and Andy Reid winnings, actually better than the colts. Because I I think that's a better story. The MVP's chargers crushing. The patriots are Monday show would be stupendous odor Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night, gives us story after story after story from air lips to the sports God's ears. All right. So on the same day the cliff Kingsbury officially inter was introduced by the cardinals with the number one overall pick and upcoming draft a report from the San Francisco Chronicle said that Kylie Murray will be declaring for the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. So what does that mean? Well, the internet did some digging and found this little tidbit from Kingsbury in October. Tyler is he's a free, man. Collar is a freak. Followed him since he was a sophomore in high school just think the world of him what he can do on a football field, and I've never seen one better in high school, and he's starting to show at now at the college level. I don't have enough skip thanks to say about him. He's phenomenal. I I've never seen him have a four out and not one which quarterbacks that it's impossible to do. But he's done it. I take him with the first week of the draft. I I know he signed up to play baseball, but he is a dominant football player. And I would I would take the first big. Hey, by the way, he even had better numbers than Baker Mayfield. And Baker put up stupid numbers at Oklahoma. By the way, only sixty six percent of major league baseball first round picks. Make it to the big leagues a hundred percent of first round NFL picks make it to the NFL. And by the way, the numbers for baseball players lasting three years is under fifty percent. So you only have six hundred ten chance to make the big if you get drafted in baseball. But you it's like four out of ten the last two to three years so NFL gonna pay a ton early. And you and you're going to last in the NFL for seven eight years minimum. Let's get hurt. Well, I I've said before when he was you know, when this report was he wasn't sure what he was going to do better move would be to go to the NFL because I mean think Tibo proves if you really wanna play baseball like that if your body. He's still capable of it. You could go back and play baseball fulfill your lifetime dream of playing baseball. You can't do that and the NFL. So if you have any desire to play in the NFL, you should go right away. But people are focusing on the fact that now Kingsbury is in a position where he could take Kyla Murray number while he but he has Josh Rosen. But Adam Schefter said it's not it's this morning on ESPN and said that the idea of Rosen trade is not that far off because the coaching staffs could, you know, lead to a change in direction. I don't see how that's possible. I don't. That is an and you can say what you want about. Josh rosen. The offensive line is the worst offensive lying in the entire league. He he never had a shot. So this is not going to happen. And it's very easy for him to say just like us like saying, oh, we would take. So. And so number one overall on the job with our jobs and careers in the careers of other people that work under us or not on the line that situation. He's just doing an interview. So relax, so Sean Payton has found some unique ways to motivate his players, and he outdid himself this week. He brought the Lombardi trophy more than two hundred thousand dollars in cash in a Super Bowl ring for display in the players meeting. The money was meant to reflect what the saints would expect for bonuses. If they won the Super Bowl, and obviously the, you know Super Bowl trophy and rings speak themselves, but the motivational foyer here's if ineffective, according to Sheldon rankings. You saw that money in front of you decided to oh, that's his anybody get excited about that. And I'm right along with him. If we get it done, I need to I need it. And I needed in twenties. All. Delivered to my front door. Sean does a great job of getting getting us ready. You know, he he he he kind of knows you know, what buttons to push, and you know, kind of how to Pete guys interests. So you know for him to do that. And you know, kind of guys, you know, even more excited than they already are. Yeah, it's pretty funny. It is a very interesting game. It is. The saints. Having a bye and home field advantage that it's basically a for them, you you'd think generally buys matter for really good coaches buys help Andy Reid, Bella checks been great on by. I think Sean Payton's been good on them. They don't help every coaching staff. I tend to think by really helps drew Brees because there are very clever offense. And if it gives you another four or five days schematically to draw some tricks up I feel like it's more beneficial to obviously for the experience coaches, but for the experienced quarterbacks meaning that they're older. So getting another week of rest like I don't love the by for the Rams, I don't necessarily love the by for the either. But for the patriots and the saints. I think it's a good thing. And finally speaking of the Rams Todd Gurley hopes to put the questions about his injured knee to rest this Saturday against the Cowboys. He missed the last two games of the regular season because of inflammation in his left knee. And he appears to be going very tired of the speculation that who he will be ready. Come game time. I been on the field last two weeks. It was like why is this leaked? So we wanna know is neat doing, you know, get date. So and then I don't have to keep getting tweets. And Instagram's all day they can just wash his video see how my knee doing. They're going to believe it or so, but it's cool. It's cool. I'm really just eager to get back on the field. And just see I response. And then hopefully, you know, we have some new questions next week. He hasn't played since December sixteen and hasn't had more than sixteen Carey's since October twenty eight I said this yesterday they need corners and offense lineman. It's cool draft another running back second third round. There's nothing wrong. I mean, New England and Philadelphia are winning a lot of games with a series of good running backs. I don't have a problem having Zeqir girly. But I would love to have a backup. Like the chargers do backup eight nine carries. I love Melvin Gordon. Seventeen carries three catches. But I mean Zeke he's like three hundred eighty four touches. That's that's that's why Clayton Kershaw fastball disappeared. You can't you can't have two hundred seventy nine years in a row. Yeah. They they definitely need a strong backup. This. He is going to be crucial. She this game. So hopefully, isn't he is a hundred percent stuff with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard lie. Duggar had dinner with him last night. One of those corporate things, Doug Gottlieb, Fox Sports radio. Right after our show podcast all ball with Doug Gottlieb on. I tunes part of the heard podcast network. So yesterday, basically everybody that's hired an offensive coach four for four the quarterback signed up court apparently in New York darnold preferred Adam gays who by the way, made the playoffs the first year, and then tannahill got hurt and with Brock Osweiler and Cutler, so he's you know, and Peyton Manning's. Whereas by that that helps right? And by the way, he was t-boz. He was the guy that like made Tibo work now as much as Tibo worked. Now. Look he made Brock Osweiler work some some this year. Right. So. Look all of these hires are the same. They're different. Even the Denver Broncos who hard Vic Fangio that was really. So they get Gary kubiak running the offense. Kubiak health has been such a concern. Right twice over in Houston. Then of course in Denver. But all of these have been hey fixed a quarterback, you know, because you know, yesterday, my show, I think some of your show is spent dedicated to talking about cliff Kingsbury, and how can you hire a guy who got fired at Texas Tech to be your head coach? What's interesting is? We've had some of the greatest college coaches of all time, right? Steve Spurrier, Nick Sabin. Like, you go through the list, and Lou Holtz who have been failures as NFL. I mean, by the way, Spurrier and Holtz disasters. And the reason and saving wasn't exactly not another park either. It's a different job to completely different jobs. It is you ask any any time. You have somebody here and enjoy touchdown earlier. It's. Yes, anybody who's been a college head coach? And they'll tell you coaching is about fifteen to twenty five percent of it, depending upon the school depending upon the resources and one of the reasons I thought Sabin got a little bit exposed is. Because hey, there need to be a little bit more coaching on Monday night. Yeah. Because the other team had the same or maybe even better talent. Yeah. And that doesn't happen often. You have to recruit you have to worry about donors. You have to worry about your athletic director your president. You're managing the players. You're managing your coaching staff. You're managing the athletes other people the athletic trainers, as well grades matter matter managing that. Whereas in football to be a head coach in the NFL lead men, and then you got to figure out the quarterback, especially with these teams not all teams are comprised that way. But with these teams specifically that fired their coaches all of them needed to fix the quarterback. You know, it it is interesting. So I don't know if this is a big story today, but Cuyler Murray I would draft now. I if I needed a quarterback, I think he's going to work in the NFL. I don't think he's Trevor Lawrence a Clemson. But I think he in two to it Alabama. Kyla Marie Oklahoma are gonna work. It's funny. I think fans think you'll never get hurt in baseball baseball pays more. It's actually not the truth. Right. I actually spent a segment while you're out and you're skiing. You're going down the slopes and joy was gallivanting around Miami. I actually spent a good amount of time on this while you're out, which is people don't realize Aaron judge even made six hundred thousand dollars last year. This is his fifth year as a professional athlete after playing the Yankees gate. Well, John Carlos now, John coast ends in his second deal. There's about ten of these colossal deals in the NFL. Kyla Murray's never going to get one. Right. He's he's talking baseball. Right. He's a five foot ten outfielder or second band. He's not a pitcher. And he's not a prodigious home run hit. Right. He's not going to get generate one of those per money. Additionally, it's easier to. Make to sign a professional contract in baseball. But you're not actually a major leaguer. Whereas if you're a first round pick, you get a four year guaranteed contract and there's a positive quarterbacks in this year's draft. So yes, it's smarter. For him to go out. Now will he work? He's a combination of Doug Flutie with with with my headaches. Lamar Jackson worked. He's better throw within Lamar. He'll work announced. Listen, Johnny Manziel small. He's tiny like legitimately a small human being, right? All right. Let's go back to the NFL. So we have four games as we got join our talking about this the audience sometimes thinks we root for a lot of different things we root for interesting. We all you do in big markets. Yeah. It helps with the Dallas Cowboys win. We the Lakers winning the Yankees winning the cubs winning, you know, top eight ten markets. Those are good for our business nothing against Westbrook. But if they dominated the league, and they were playing the Pacers. It wouldn't be good for our business. I can assure you ESPN's got the NBA they like San Francisco having a dominant team, and they want to have one. And they're praying. Somebody goes to the Knicks here eventually, okay, that's the truth. So let's look at these games. The Rams Cowboys is interesting. We all think McVeigh's genius. What is the story Monday? If the Cowboys come in here and win and McVeigh's zone. Two and everybody hired McVeigh's guys. And you're thinking this McVeigh thing ain't that great. I think there's massive pressure on the Rams. Well, I think there's massive pressure on the Rams, I think that there will be people. And maybe it'll be you that a point out McVeigh's not that great. I would I would I would disagree. I think he is great. But I think it's gotten to the point where the hype train surpass reality totally fair. But they are the number two seed, right? And they end playing with the first place scheduled for last year like they're pretty good football team. And they've they stabilize things and they've gotten a lot out of Jared Goff, even if he's regress some here. The last couple of weeks of the season. I think this the story of the Rams is that they are poorly constructed, right? You mentioned bringing in a backup to Todd Gurley. Remember, they were the ones who a year early went in and reworked his contract. They had all these frontloaded contracts, and because of it they don't have the depth that some of these other teams have and when they've had attrition and injuries, and then offensive line all sudden breaks down suddenly some of the weaknesses get exposed. Think Cooper Cup getting hurt. Hurt them as well. We'll we'll the narrative be yes. Sean McVeigh to home playoff games to home playoff losses. Absolutely. But the other thing that it'd be missed is how well constructed this Dallas defenses to deal with the modern offense. Right. They have fast linebackers that can run they can pressure the passer and Jason Garrett who some people call for his ouster midseason people have Finally I think figured out. He knew exactly what he had right? He's got limitations with Decca quarterback. He knows he's got a great running game. Now that he's got a number one wide receiver and he still plays to his defense. His defense is a strength. He's figured out his team. I don't think the narrative will match the reality. But I do think that people will start to nitpick on McVay. If he loses a second consecutive home game in only two opportunity. I think they win or lose. I think they lose. I think the Dallas Cowboys are a better constructed football team. And they're the perfect match up for that Rams offense. All right. Let's go to an AFC match up because I do think the Rams face real pressure. The other team, I think faces real pressure Kansas City. Andy Reid struggled, Patrick Mahomes. MVP they haven't won a home playoff game in the last six the culture plan with house money there. A touchdown favorite had the biggest comeback in in a FC history. They've you know when they played them before. So you're picking the Cowboys to beat the team at home with a little pressure. Do you think the colts can be Kansas City the home team with the MVP with a lot of pressure? I do I do. And as you pointed out, the defense is as much the story as Andrew Lexi on back is defensive been shockingly quickly. Good guests. They don't have the personnel. You think? Yes. And and like, look I disagree with you in terms of the no look passes. I do I like it. Yeah. But there's a reason that Brett farve only won a Super Bowl be sloppy. Well, just. The the chances that you take in the regular season. Like, those are great. But not turning the football. Over is a is a big thing. And I do think that trying to make plays and Pat Mahomes will try and make plays. Like, what was the defensive disaster at Texas Tech, of course, and he put up crazy numbers crazy numbers. But he also turned the football over lot. He takes a lot of chances. And there's a reason that the kind of conservative coaches have won a lot of Super Bowls for a long time. I think this team is flawed in terms of their construction defensively. I don't think there is good since they lost Kareem hunt. They're just not they're not they're just not the same. And while the rest of the offense is the healthiest. It's been in weeks. They still they haven't been able to figure out defense. And this is a colts team modern style of defense that can cover with speed and type of offense I can run it. They got Andrew luck. And I think that the chiefs have lost their last five home playoff games, which is crazy considering it's the best home environment in the sport. It's great. And yet it almost works against the chiefs because they get tight because the expectations. So you like Indianapolis I do. Wow. Wow. Okay. So he goes anti favored teams with pressure. I do think the Rams and the chiefs face unique pressure could come out tight. All right. Don't go anywhere because it's good. Now, we're going to go and talk about your your favorite team of all time is the chargers, you're a charger fan. We'll talk about that New England game. And we'll talk about the mystery behind Nick foles, which not even Vegas configure out. Plus you've got great stuff on Kyle. Kuzma who went off last night for the Lakers. Be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Doug Gottlieb, joining us. He'll have Joey Bosa the chargers. Great great player on his show today. The Doug Gottlieb show after mine. Let's talk about this game. You grew up a charger fan. But I've always felt you're very good at separating fandom from reality back to back long east coast trips New England's like ninety six and eight when they score first off a bye, they're great at scoring. I I don't love the chargers this weekend. I don't either the weather's supposed to be bad. And look I think if you did the fantasy draft, right? Like who would you? You rather have? Oh god. Yes. I mean, the chargers with exception. Maybe you know Brady, you would take historically have one great corner. Gilmore's a great corner. So to to the chargers chargers to better rush ends right linebackers, whatever you wanna call Mel header Bax better backs. They have Derwin James is the is the best defensive back on the field for either team one of the best in the entire league. An all pro is a rookie. They get better wide receivers. They get one hundred Henry back who look he's not what rob gronkowski was. But rob gronkowski's not no rob gronkowski. Why say this best ten players. I've only got two or three patriots and then eleven through twenty s mostly charger. Yes. And and the patriots are good at stopping the run. Pretty good defense defending the pass. But they don't pressure the passer and you like Philip rivers. The only time he gets messed up is when there's people at his feet, right? So like, you sit there and go man, I love the chargers. But I've seen this. I've seen this movie too many times, I know. How it ends? Yeah. Yeah. And and you convince me all right. The chargers finally got a kick or he's from New Jersey weather on bother him. When I hear their snow in the forecast. I see the numbers coming off a bye. There's no logical reason that Tom Brady and the patriots should play in the AFC championship game. But they're gonna play in the patriots. Okay. Meanwhile, nobody including Vegas can figure out the Philadelphia Eagles. Now, I took them to upset Chicago last week 'cause I just didn't buy into the whole Nagy Trubisky. Feels like David Copperfield less smoke and mirrors was smoke and mirrors and eventually somebody goes like, hey, he's not that accurate, but I will say this. Nobody's understood. They were dogs last year in the Super Bowl. They were dogs last week. I think Philadelphia goes toe-to-toe the saints. I don't I don't because one of the things that's missed in the foles magic. And granted they were going against an outstanding defense with Chicago Bears. But he did throw two picks. You throw two picks against the saints there. Going to score points and make you pay. They just they just are. Yeah. And and they don't make a lot of mistakes. They don't make their machine offensively. And they're they're built to play at home. I am the saints defense. They do pressure the passer. I mean, look he was able to get away with those mistakes last week because you're playing against Mitch Trubisky. He's not playing against Mitch Trubisky this week, and he's playing on the road and a ridiculous environment. I don't think the saints out talent, you the way that the chiefs will offensively or the chargers will offensively or the Rams will you know, what Todd Gurley like they they have to find one mismatch, and they pick you apart. But they are they are a precision offense. And they find the mismatch they exploit the mismatch. They take advantage of the mismatch. I think the saints win. I think Vegas has got this one. The Doug Gottlieb is predicting how crazy is this Tom Brady against Andrew lucked. Patriots colts meet in the AFC championship and what make my life, right? Of course. Those are the guys I love and then saints. And against the Dallas Cowboys boy that'd be good for the league. And of course, the saints played the Cowboys Cowboys beat him that was in Dallas. Yes. And of course, Sean Payton was formerly with the Cowboys along time again, I would take the saints. I don't even wanna talk about the AFC. I don't even know what's going on. I just can't even New England should not be Super Bowl team this year. All right. Three minutes left. Kyle. Kuzma, you're very well. Connected to the Lakers Kyle coups did it again last night. He went off he's had in three quarters. I mean, it only played three quarters and he had forty so he's a better defender than Ingram. He's got a better body late Saturday. You're not a great defender. Like, he's learned to be. But go ahead. I'm sorry. I guess my whole point is if you had to trade Ingram Makusa. Oh, it's not close kouzmines the guy. Now, it's not a little Broncos man, whoever you get. Yes. Correct. That that's that's essentially the pecking. Here's the problem. Doug, everybody in the league wants Kouzmin out because he's separated from Ingram and lawns. Correct. They're in care. They're in kind of lies the rub. Like, yeah. We can make this deal every week. We'll. That deal for Anthony Davis throw in Kouzmin like minute. So the Lakers would ever trade Kusa. I never say never you. It depends on what comes back in return. You know, what are you taking off our hands? What do they have to make that deal? They have contagious pope's expiring contract. They have Brandon Ingram who I don't think anybody thinks it'd be a star. But a really good player has shown signs at times you go back to games ago when they beat Dallas. He hadn't played great. Yeah. Probably he's played a couple of his best games of his career over the last five. And I think you would even throw in Lonzo ball or Josh heart. If you had to actually think heart higher in the pecking order, even if he doesn't have the ceiling of Lonzo ball because he fits in with the culture of what they're trying to do cuckoo's, my is virtually untradeable. And but here's the big thing that people missed on guys like who's and the rest of the young Lakers. He wasn't allowed to shoot three pointers in college point K. So it's one thing to just reach the NBA and now be playing a different role different position. He's shooting like thirty percent from three he's only been shooting them for a year and a half. He will get steadily better. Plus he's play. With when Rondo comes back with Lonzo. And of course, LeBron James you got three the best passers in the league, you're going to shoot a higher percentage because of that I think he maybe not limitless potential, but he's essentially a star in just a second year in the NBA, by the way when LeBron has weighed boss can win a title kyri love can win a title. The reality is this could be potentially LeBron and Anthony Davis and Aku's Ma that could be the best third player. Lebron's ever had as a teammate. Could it not? Well, he'd be the youngest. I don't know. I I don't know if he'll have the career of a Bosh, right or the career of love. Love was great put up ridiculous. But he remember that's only his third year. Then they would all be together. The one thing is like let's not under under sell. Those guys are all versatile, but Cosmo support defender, and the brand is his defense on reputation alone. He's not really defender us, and you're going to need some guards at some point some elite level guards because they have taken over the league going to give you one. Last thing. Obviously James harden went off again last night. Yeah. You don't just have to look at the usage. Okay. The usage when when Kobe Bryant went for forty nine straight games. His usage was at twenty seven as opposed to James Harden's a league high thirty nine right now additionally pace of play as far faster. Now now that it was. So it's a lot like football. These are steroids on stats stats on steroids. And you have one guy dominating the basketball. I'm not taking away from James harden in terms of how well he's playing, but the stats would lead you to believe he's playing better than anybody. In the last twenty years, those are skewed based upon how it's officiated how how fast the game is played and how much dominates doesn't Andy Dalton threw for four thousand yards one year. Joe montana. Never did. And I had to endure for about where it came up with a beige water pistol. Instead of the red rifle I'm like folks, I mean for about two years everybody was in an Andy Dalton and I'm like I get out of the stat game the league change once corners couldn't grab receivers. It changed. The whole league Doug Gottlieb after our show Joey Bosa on. His show Greg Cosell joining us next in ally. One more heard the herd streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like. Oh, here we go hour two in Los Angeles. This is the heard wherever you may be. And however, you may be listening live in Los Angeles. Iheart radio Fox Sports radio and f s one Greg Cosell in about four minutes. Five minutes. Joy taylor. Joining me for our number two hour, you great. I have told you before grading the hirings. What I don't believe in is. If you have a young quarterback. Jets have Sam darnold. He's trying to figure out how to be an NFL quarterback. I also don't want a young quarterback to have a coach who's trying to figure out how to be an NFL head coach. Freddie kitchens has never been a high school football. I don't love that move in Cleveland. So as bakers trying to learn how to do this thing he's got a coach who's trying to how to do this thing. I don't like that. I do like I don't like Arizona situation where Josh Rosen trying to figure out how to be an NFL quarterback. And he's got a college coach who's trying to become an NFL quarterback Adam gaze to the jets and jet fans are clueless. I mean, they're dopes. They don't know anything. This is a really good higher. K Adam gaze is Kyle Shanahan before Kyle Shanahan years ago. Nick Sabin was a coach at LSU. He had this. You know, nineteen year old twenty year old kid on his staff name, Adam gays, and he gave them all this responsibility. Because Nick saban's like who's the smart kid? This is a guy that had Peyton Manning greatest year. Peyton manning. Call the jets, they're like smartest coordinator. I've ever had he won with Tim tebow. Tim tebow went into six game winning streak. It was Adam gays, by the way, he had a winning record with Ryan tannehill thirteen and eleven he made the playoffs. The first year in Miami with Ryan tannehill the previous two head coaches that Ryan tannehill had losing records Adam gates at a winning record with him. He's a really good coach. But what happened Tanna hill got hurt? He had to use Jay Cutler and Brock Osweiler. And by the way, even this year with Osweiler they had really good Sunday's followed off on my really bad Sundays because that's what happens when you have a backup quarterback playing for you. But in the end gas is a great coach he gave the patriots trouble. He went ten and six rookie year. He was a very successful coordinator. Now, the downside is Kyle Shanahan ish. He can be condescending. He's really smart. And he knows it. He's very intense. He is in no, passive aggressive to him at all. He'll get right in your face. He's like Kyle Shanahan. He who go to a press conference in two out reporters, he is really intense. And he wears people out. He had. A winning record with Ryan tannehill. No, Miami coach there's been three of them. Now have ever done that he made the playoffs the first year Tibo manning Sabin all call on his behalf. He's a super sharp guy. Well, he was fired who gives a rip Bella checks been fired in the NFL. Pete Carroll's been fired twice. Mike shanahan's? Got two Super Bowls been fired. Jon Gruden got fired next year won a Super Bowl. Jim harbaugh. Got to Super Bowl two years later. He got fired. And he reads been fired. Now, he's the one number one seed in the AFC guys the NFL's for aggressive men to coach their aggressive guys aggressive guys get fired all the time. They get fired and radio TV. They get fired in CEO jobs. You can't worry about getting fired. If you're worried about getting fired don't take any grownup jobs, if you wanna be comfortable, go coach in college where you can dominate the athletic director, you pick all the players in the NFL. You got a billionaire owner you're in a big city the media's rough and they fire you every fifteen minutes, and you're also coaching. Ng millionaires kids players scholarship NFL is a hard league to coach in. But but Adam gays jet fans like, oh, listen Mike McCarthy, I think a great coach I would love to see him get the jets job. But I said my second choice choices Adam gates, and I also said and joy you were here. So you can verify this about ten days ago in the NFL is fire and all these coaches, and they call it like black Monday and their fire and everybody who is the one coach I said that got fired that I would hire again McCarthy, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. I said that day of all these guys have got fired that Dez at Adam gates going to get a job. Yes. Because my sources all say's Kyle Shanahan before Kyle Shanahan. And by the way, Shannon has never been fired yet, but he wears people out, and he calls out the media, and he's gruff, and he and he and Garoppolo by the way, I've had battles already. I I think being a dolphins fan my opinion of cases, probably a bit skewed because I wanted to see him be successful. There wasn't again. I don't think your first stint as a head coach. If it's not necessarily successful is a reflection of who you are as a head coach certain situations matter Miami is not the most stable organizations. No, New York leave they fired Dave launched at years ago. And if you look at his first three years in Miami. He had more wins than Mike Tomlin. Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh kept Tomlin to this day. They fired Wanstead launched at made the playoffs and had a better record than Tomlin. That's what the Miami Dolphins. I love the dolphins. All right. I obviously will they have a great place in my heart. But they don't get enough credit for all. All the bad management decisions that they've made by the way when you're a dolphin fan. You hate the patriots. But the jets are also a big rival and gates was five and one against the jet. So he's a good coach. He's going to be very good in New York. This is a great, by the way. Sam darnold. Got choose Sam, darnold gutten opinion. They put him on FaceTime. And he's like I like Adam gays more than McCarthy. That's the story today. All right with that over thirty five years NFL films as smarter guys. We bring on the show Greg Cosell. Greg. How are you doing Cowan? What's happened to my friend? Well, we'd let's let's just start with New England who is favored against the chargers. I said, you know, I- Jacksonville. Everybody told me had more talent than New England and the Seahawks and the Super Bowl did. And Pittsburgh always seems to and they kind of figure out ways to win. It looks like when I watched the chargers play. They have a great disparity talent edge on New England. I do you believe that to be the case? I mean, I think you could look position by position and feel that knowing that the chargers are better. But I think so much of these games come down to specific tactics. And the way the games play out schematically. You know, I think when you look at New England there are a little bit different team offensively than they have been in the past. I think they're a little more foundationally based on the run game. I'm not sure they can line up the way they might have in years past and just give the ball to Tom Brady the way they have. I'm not sure he's quite at the same level. He certainly not been as good on third down. And that's been a defining feature of their offense this year that Tom Brady's not been as good on third down. And the offense has not been as good on third down. I think gronkowski is not quite the same guy. I don't think he redirects quite the same way. When you watch the tape. So again, I think that there are certain things you look at and you see on tape. You know these teams played last year. And I think you're going to see the chargers kind of do what they do on defense. The chargers play with six. Defensive backs to seventy -fensive back thing was Pacific. Lamar Jackson, but they play with sixty -fensive backs as their foundational approach. They'll do the same thing is the chargers was Philip rivers. The receiving core is deep hunter Henry the tight end is back the running backs they've done all sorts of guys who can make plays Philip rivers. And the chargers though, could not get the ball in the end zone against Baltimore. It was a lot of field goals. Does that concern you? Well, I think the one area of their offense that is concerning and whether New England can exploited is a different question. Is there offensive line? I think that the chargers offensive line, by NFL standards would probably be considered average at best. I think Philip rivers to kind of quarterback that more often than not can compensate for that and camouflaged the flaws in his own line. But there are games in which he can't do that. I think Baltimore's defense is a really good defense. Ton of looks multiple looks up front and pressure packages and high percentage blitz. That that's a defense that they can't camouflage it against. So the question is can they camouflage it against New England who pretty much not a high percentage team and not a great pass rich defense. Let's shift to Kansas City favorite at home against Indianapolis. Colts defense is playing really well. Yep. Kareem hunt. No longer a Kansas City chief, they don't feel quite as stable offensively. They're still again, they still have cheated the Travis Kelsey Andy Reid the schematics Patrick Mahomes. I think it's a solid a line. They have Sammy Watkins who I think's overpaid. But can you know, he's still a weapon? I don't feel. They run the ball quite as well. I mean, what what what are the chiefs do ofensive -ly that you think they'll have success against even this very hot cold defense? Well, I think there's two there's really three things when you play the chiefs in my view one is you must have a plan for stopping tyreek hill when he lines up inside. They love to line him up in the slot. And in the. Inside slot. When there's three recites receivers to one side, you cannot let him run down the seams and get on top of your defense. Now, the cultural predominance zone defense, they'll be very conscious of this. And then there's Kelsey Travis Kelsey is the other player that you really have to take care of. And he works from a lot of different places in the offense. That's one of the things that makes Indy reach often. So good is the multiplicity of formations. And the final thing that you have to deal with is Patrick Mahomes ability to make second reaction improvisational plays. I went through all his third downs this week. Actually, I went through them over the weekend last weekend, and I was kind of astounded by how many came when he moved around improvisational. So he he's such a good throw or on the move. And he throws the ball down the field on the movies. Not a check down guy. So you you cannot let those big explosive plays happen off improvisation. I mean, and that's what I think the difference is I think Mahomes will make a plan. They'll win the game. I will say this about Andrew lock. It is nice to see him have a wall in front of him. I think Marlin MAC the running backs. Underrated. I think overall their offense of personnel to tat underrated TY Hilton's real player e Bron was always highly considered they'll a little underwhelming their offense of line is at least pass blocking looks to be very efficient and looks fantastic. And they've got depth at running back and they needed number two receiver. I don't love their tackle. Sure. But I mean when I look at the colts, this is a real team. Now, this is not a Mirage. We I mean, I could see them winning with ball-control. You know, that I was going to ask you what you thought I'm struggling in my own mind is to how come out festively clearly luck is playing at a high level. And I think he's a great quarterback as you do. But I'm curious as to whether they believe that they need to on some level run the ball. And again, that's what I or whether they're going to feel like, hey, Andrew luck is hot. And not that we wanna play a fifty one forty eight game. But that hey, we know this game is probably going to be in the high twenties and early thirties, perhaps low thirties. So let's let's come out and try to be aggressive. I think the colts wanna take the crowd out of it. And you do that with five yard gains. And I do a lot of pass to running back pass. The I think they'll have a very mundane boring. Five play at a time a death by a thousand cutoff events. Well, I think one player to watch his name Hines as a receiver because the chiefs play tournament coverage. And I think they can get matchups with hime Hines. All right. Let's go to Philadelphia's a big underdog. And here's the thing. I listen everybody likes to saints Vegas like the saints. I get it. I mean the saints probably win the game. But I will say this about Philadelphia. They've got a lot of be players, golden Tate, Al Sean, Jeffrey, and they've got several players like I mean, you know, Fletcher Cox, personnel wise, and I don't know why this is I think Philadelphia's a really good football team. They may not have a ton of stars. On the offensive side. But I gotta tell you something when I watched them play. They have guys who create separation. They have big play players. They've got situationally golden Tate was very good last weekend. I think Philadelphia matches up with a saints. Pretty well. Yeah. I think it's going to be an intriguing game. I think look, obviously, I don't think it's going to be like the game was week eleven. I think Philly did some interesting interesting things defensively in that game we eleven and I'm curious what they're defensive approaches because when they played week eleven there were numerous plays in which they doubled Michael Thomas. They doubled Alvin Kamara. Now, Ted Ginn is back and he did not play week eleven and Ted Ginn is not a volume receiver. But he he's a vertical dimension. He can get on top of your defense. And I think that just presents a a little bit different situation for the eagles defense. You know, there is one thing about Brees. And I love drew Brees. But what does I'm curious on this? You know, they don't throw the ball vertically known. They're not they're not. I mean, we think breeze hall of fame, but they can dinkum dunk it a little. Bit greg. Yeah. And I think one reason they didn't do that much this year is because getting was out not that they're not if he was there they'd they'd be vertical team, but they didn't really take shots very much this year. And that's where I think Ted Ginn is a factor, and he needs to be addressed. Because the last thing that defensive coordinator wants to do is give up a fifty or sixty or touchdown. I think I festival for the eagles. It's interesting because there there were very sort of sustaining based off Vince with Nick foles last week's game against a good defense was very Representative of what they do with Nick foles strong emphasis on the quick game. Getting the ball at a false hands. Minimizing the pass rush. You know, working the middle of the field. If if you play pressman, he'll throw it to Geoffrey on the outside. And I think you'll see that this week. So they're they're pretty defined with what they do offensively. Just watching video here from falls. He's got he's got a decent arm. Right. Not a great arm. But he's he's he's not a power thrower. But he can he can make a throws. Philadelphia's just kind of a mystery wrapped in a riddle. Let's go to the final game. Cowboys rams. Okay. Listen, I saw a stat this week. And I'm not a guy that jumps onto many stats. I do like to see what you get yards per play. I think explosive offenses big play offenses can win game. Sometimes even when they're outplayed. But Dak Prescott leads the NFL and come from behind wins last three years in fourth quarter game winning drives last three years. It rushing touchdowns by a quarterback last three years. I will say this about deck. Forget the arm. I don't love it. I don't think he's an all time. I think he's eighteenth best quarterback in the league. But it does appear. And I don't know what the film says he tends to be pretty good in crisis. I always feel like last drive of the game. I trust him more than I do. I drive of the game. Right. What is tape say? Let's work macro for one quick sec. The Cowboys have defined profile. They're run game in their defense are among the best in the league. I think Zeke Elliott's to the best back in the league. And their defense is very very good. So the way they. Play is they rely on those two things. They don't ask that Prescott to do too much in the passing game. But that profile keeps games close and therefore winnable in the fourth quarter. And that's when Prescott s- running by design his improvisational ability comes into play. And that's when he's good. But it's really interesting watching their tape. You know, how how limited their past game is they don't really ask him to do a lot. But he becomes a factor in close games in the fourth quarter in the runnings apart of that without question. And I and look you could argue that they need to do more of that with him, particularly when you do get to the fourth quarter that is a clear weapon that he possesses. But you also have to remember look it was third and fourteen. They call the draw play for the quarterback. Okay. They didn't want him to throw the ball in that situation. They wanted to kick a field goal. They didn't know he was going to gain sixteen yards. That's a real good point. By the way, I sold my ram stock. You know, most of. About week ten. I thought they were overvalued. When Cooper Cup got hurt. I don't think they were the same offense and girly then feel a hundred percent to me. I know we all love, Sean McVeigh. I know he's the Einstein of football. But the Rams have not been the same Tino to me in the last two two and a half months. I would agree with that. You know, I think that that Goss has been a little bit up and down with his ball placement. I think he's a rhythm player. I think he's a timing player. I think he's in. This is an comes across negatively. I don't mean it as such. I think he's a very programmed player in a very well designed and well schemed offense that presents the opportunities clearly, and when he's been a little off he's been missing people. Now, I think he's been a little better the last couple of weeks. So we'll see after a week off where they stand. But I think you'll also see some some tweaks in their offense. And by tweaks I don't mean anything dramatic, but little things that involve motion, you know, things of that nature to try to create some hesitation and indecisiveness in the defense. This will. Will be probably the most watched game. So let's go to our big play of the week. It's a ram cowboy play. I'm told from last season. It's from last season. It's actually it's a play that a lot of people. Now know it's called all go h seem a number of teams use it. Let's run it right now. And we'll just see the play. It was a fifty three yard touchdown to Todd Gurley from a year ago a pass play. And we've we've seen it to out the league. Now as I said, it's all go halfback seem that's what it is. So when it starts with jet action just happens to be taped on Austin who is with the Rams year ago. So he's going to go in jet motion. Here's the Algo part three receivers are going to run vertical routes. Okay. And then there's Todd Gurley. He's the halfback. He's going to run a scene route. That's the H seem part of this. Oh, it's all kgo eight CM with the jet action being a part of it. So what's going to happen? Here's you're going to start this play with on Austin working across the formation in June. Action. That's actually going to have an impact on the defense any critical impact on defense. There's Austin and you see that he's came across on jet motion. There's the two defenders for the Cowboys who both reacted to the jet action across the formation. So they're not conscious of girly. And then you have the wide receiver lifting the corner on the outside with a vertical route. So what you end up with girly running down the seam on the H seem the halfback seem beautifully designed play as I said it's been in the league. Now a lot of teams run it people. May remember it from week one a year ago on Thursday night when Kareem hunt scored a seventy eight yard touchdown for the chiefs. So it's it's a play that now is throughout the NFL. Good stuff. Greg love having you on. Thank you so much banks car on next the truth. Why Cleveland higher? Freddie kitchens made a call last night and very eliminating on. Why Baker has Freddie kitchens who doesn't have a ton of experience as a head coach be sure to. Catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app. Simply safe believe nothing should get between you and protecting your family's simply safe, Colin dot com. Fourteen ninety nine a month, no contracts. No markups. No crazy long eight hour insulation when no good to have you. Enjoy Taylor is joining me, by the way, you know. This is what we do. We do big j journalism on the show. So this is one of my favorite times of the year for about three week period. I was talking to driving into work talking for twenty minutes this morning and the couple NFL sources on the east coast is great in the phones on the phone the whole morning. I literally had two calls. Call me in the morning did on Adam Adam gays, all this stuff. I also I said yesterday, I don't love when you have a young quarterback in the NFL. And he gets somebody who's learning to be a coach Adam gazes has been in NFL coach he's been to the playoffs. He's been a coordinator. So a Sam darnold trying to figure out how to do this. Adam gates is done it. I don't it. Would it be any good? If I was in my first year of radio, and my boss was in his first year of running a radio station. Generally, if the younger, the broadcast or the more veteran experienced person needs as a broadcaster. I don't love the Cleveland thing because I think Baker Mayfield got some things to learn in terms of maturity and running a franchise in Freddie, kitchens had never been hired by team as a coordinator. So he's trying to figure out how to be a head coach. I don't love that. I will tell you this though, that Cleveland I was on the phone this morning with somebody out east in the NFL. Cleveland's final two d you think it was strange Mike McCarthy didn't get much of a look they're a Bruce Arians said he wanted it. But yet they didn't talk to Bruce Arians in that didn't make any sense. Did it they didn't they weren't interested in Adam gays who had been coat? Why did Cleveland have the two least experienced guys as their candidates? They had a guy to never work with anybody. But the Vikings forty four year old guy, and they had Freddie kitchens who's been around the league but never been hired as a fulltime coordinator. Why I was told. Because John Dorsey running everything he didn't want Greg Williams because Greg Williams has been a coach and has a strong point of view and John Dorsey didn't want that. And it like Mike McCarthy an want Bruce Arians, he didn't want Adam gays. He wanted somebody could tell them what to do. That's just I do not believe in that. I think that's a recipe for disaster. I that's not the way I would vet a job. But this is what I was told there. It is not everybody said remember this? Everybody told me Brown's the best job. And yet they didn't didn't interview. Seriously, any of the best candidates because John Dorsey is running the show here. And by the way, Greg Williams had a winning record. If you're gonna hire. Freddie kitchens. Why don't you just give job to Greg who has experienced and winning record because Greg Williams has an opinion, and we'll push back and McCarthy will push back and Adam gates will push back and Bruce Arians push back and doors. He's like now that don't you want somebody who pushes back? Yeah. That's kind of the whole you. What you wanna do? You wanna hire people that challenge you in any job, of course. So when I was told is this is this is not baker's team. This. This is Jimmy has the team John Dorsey is making all the calls all of them, and he'd have no interest getting pushback and Freddie kitchens owes him a debt of gratitude because nobody was given. Freddie kitchens. A head coaching job in this league. He maybe we'll get he may get an interview for a coordinator job. So when you give somebody a job they would never get without. You you owe him. Well, if your sources, correct very very little stock in the Browns, and it was all based on Baker. I'm going to sell that off. If that's the case, I just I don't think that any one in a position of power who surrounds themselves with yes-men is creating an environment of progress and growth, and that's what the Cleveland Browns specifically need. You aren't writing some consistent dynasty and trying to maintain a level of? Excellence literally have to create a winning atmosphere and your surrounding yourself with people who are going to tell you. You're right all the time joy with the news. News. This is the headline news. Pittsburgh soul is literally killing me that I didn't offend the Brown so much. Baker will win games. I just I do too. I struck out. I don't like the idea of the GM basically is just a strong, by the way, John Dorsey is very talented valuation that Kansas City roster is a lot of John Dorsey, and they ran him out because he couldn't get along with people. It's not it's not that. That's not you can be John Dorsey can be great at that. But you have to also be on the same page with the person that touches the players every single day. You guys have to be on the same wavelength? They can't be a one voice. Anyway, the buffs the made it clear that they intend to have names Winston on the team for the two thousand nineteen th season. Bruce Arians, Bruce Arians is on board with that. During an appearance on the rich Eisen show yesterday. Areas had nothing but praise for Janus. For a long time. Like, I said we all make mistakes he's made his I've made my, and you know, I just feel like going to great feel for him because excitement for the game his his willingness to work as unbelievable. He's into office at five o'clock in the morning. I have no qualms about that. There's no doubt. No doubt say what thing is going to built around. I think go win at all. We'll see about that. But the only knock on areas, I'm told his last year in Arizona. He just stopped working. He just wanted to golf and have a cocktail at the sunset that the knock on areas is nobody's quite sure. If he's committed for years to the level seventy hour weeks, you have to be his last year in Arizona. They just didn't feel they kind of felt like he just he was done coaching. Any by the way said he was good knocking to coach. And then this job came open. The the only reservation I have about Bruce is he ready to be in the office seventy hours a week because that's what it takes to coach in this league. That's what it takes to coach. And you're not coaching a quarterback that has any kind of consistent track record with anything winning. Oh, yeah. Off the field. I it's it's really going to be a huge challenge for him. And James Winston is going to be the fifth highest paid quarterback in the league next year. They've gone five eleven loans only nine games last year. No, that's not good flow theme. So the patriots host the chargers. This Sunday will Mark the eighth head-to-head meeting between two future hall of famers in Brady and rivers. But it seems a little impossible to call this a rivalry because in order for a rivalry to exists. Both sides to do some of the winning and rivers has never been Brady. And he talks about it yesterday. Take on a whole lot of certainly it's Tom Brady led team. We know we know how things work with quarterback and head coach who has the record attached to. We got a heck of a challenge our offense defense and in how how disciplined they play and how well they play. Specially this time of year. So we gotta work cut out. And that's how the ball. But yes, I I think you you're wear of of that stat out there. But it's not something that I spend much time thinking about the first word he used how discipline they play. You can beat New England you rarely catch New England lost. You know, you'll you'll watch game. Sometimes you're like, oh that team was totally smoked. You don't find New England? If you beat them you made a great throw you made a great block yet a great play design. First thing Phillips at is there really disciplined. And that's the thing with New England that they'll give you all sorts of yard. But you get inside like the red zone. You have to have a perfect Philadelphia. You have to have a perfectly designed play the score on them. Well, also, you can't make any mistakes against them. You have to play a near. Perfect game on a buy in Foxborough where they are. Incredible. I don't know. I know everyone's giving like the chargers roster and every everyone's kind of giving them a chance. I I don't see it. Maybe that's just my my, you know, years of being be dumb patriots. I'm just submitted to them. But I I really think everyone is selling out on the patriots just a little bit too early. I don't I don't think it's over finally one of the reasons the Packers hired before the floor is that he's done work with quarterbacks during his office coordinator and quarterbacks coach. But if you hours before the Packers offered him the job he received a call from Aaron Rodgers not shocking and he elaborated on that conversation yesterday. I briefly spoke to him prior to accepting the job, and that's kind of how I had an idea that maybe I was in the running for it. I'm so focused on moving forward. All I really care about at this point is develop developing a relationship with him. And I think we're both on the same page with. We are we are committed to winning. There's no doubt about it. He is a competitor. And I cannot wait to get started with them. We'll see if he gets along with Aaron it'll work if if there's a rub sure, but there's some other guys on the roster. We gotta take care of to. What do we just gets all the praise for dragging the Packers to the playoffs gut feeling on this move? I don't think works. Do. I I don't think it works. And that's notice respect to leflore. Because I, you know, I'm all for, you know, young people getting opportunities. You know, you have to you have to have a new wave. Eventually, I it's not on him. I just think that this first of all the cliche of you know, we really just you know, we both care about winning. Everyone cares about winning. There's no one in the league who doesn't care about winning. Maybe Antonio Brown. You know, let's Bill every and I'm pretty sure he cares about winning to that that you don't even need to say that we know that. Let's be honest. The young guys in this league generation -ly Clift. Kingsbury has a stylised. I'm not joking lane. Kiffin is very strong on social media. Sean McVeigh has you know, people his agent putting them on TV on off weeks. Some of these old veteran. Coach's grew up in a different generation you don't brag about yourself. You don't go and social media. You don't have a stylus. You don't have a PR person. Some of these guys that are getting jobs. They know how to play the game today. Sure. And and to their credit that's part of that is part of the guy with the media. Himself. So the team. So I do think it's important. How you interview? I mean, you're going to get a million applications. It's the interview that sells it we've set that all the time face to face looking someone in the eye, the the energy that you get and what they say should matter. So I'm not saying that he has no chance in the situation. I don't like the idea that it's just about the quarterback. Because then what about the rest of the team can you develop the rest of the team, or are you going to put a team of coordinators around you that are going to elevate that I can guarantee you that Vic Fangio has no idea what Snapchat is I can guarantee you. He has no idea Instagram he thinks that's Western Union. Knows how to use of all right? Joy with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard raider and Bill quarterback good. 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Invention is the story of human history told one piece of technology at a time the things we made and how they made us invention publishes every Monday, listen and subscribe to invention on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you find your podcasts. The NFC divisional playoff sick off this weekend on socks from Saturday. Zeke Elliot and the Cowboys sacred and Todd Gurley in the Rams than on Sunday, Nick foles and the eagles battle drew Brees and the saints. It's all happening this weekend on FOX and the Fox Sports app. Cowboys seven and a half point underdogs that just doesn't sound right better defense playing with house money. Dax been very good in these big games. And by the way, the crowd is going to be neutral at most EJ manual, by the way, there's only two college quarterbacks ever that have won four bowl games. You're one of them. You were like twenty six and five is the starter a first round or five NFL seasons. Four with the bills one of the raiders and you'll still play of called. So you'll probably be back in the league. Let you know. I I said to start my show today is that basically used to be a quarter of a coach quarterback league. I mean Chuck Nolan Terry Bradshaw weren't best friends Parcells was rough on bills. Phil Simms Parcells Mike Shanahan and John. Elway didn't get along. All the time. These days if that thing doesn't work and you're not like buds like McVeigh in Goth or Jason and Dak like it. It doesn't work. Did you sense in college JIMBO ran the show? But in the NFL, did you send you were given more freedom and power in the NFL quarterback? One hundred percent fell as a quarterback you're based on extension of a head coach. You know, I think you guys more or less work together versus the head coach being the figurehead. And then you're the quarterback. That's just a player and not just a player as a quarterback. And I think your teammates also know that too. They know that if you say something or if you co sano something the head coach the head coach says everybody else will follow you know. It's funny that we're seeing now guys that I've never even been coordinators get head coaching jobs like it's crazy. Right. Some of it's because it's cyclical I mean, we used to have old coaches used to have to win with defensive coaches, then it was ofensive coaches. Now, it's young offensive coaches. Tell me the difference. Coaching in the NFL. I think is harder. First of all. I think the talents closer not like Bamut place Kentucky, we knew has better players, right. What did you notice the difference between coaching and college coaching in the NFL NFL, you're dealing with grown, man. You're dealing with men who have families men who are no longer in college. You're not amateur athlete professional athlete. And obviously the head coach expects you act that way and so at end of the day. That's how you earn your living. You know what I mean? So for a head coach in NFL, all you would have to do is manage of course, you still make decisions and you have to make hard decisions sometimes as far as personnel and things like that. But you have a general manager. You have scouting you have all those different departments who can kind of help make those decisions for you. But as a coach you have to go out there and win and have you have great players. You know, galax Sean McVeigh he has great players around him. Obviously he's a great head coach because he has a great offense. Really? He has his offense a background is amazing. Really? But you know, you have to have great players as well to win to help a great head coach. Do you think like cliff Kingsbury is really struggled at Texas Tech? I mean, they were like four and thirty one against ranked big twelve teams. But you know, he's gotta McVeigh vibe to him. What do you make a his segue from college to the pros? I think he'll do. I think he'll be excited not know his teammates or actually not as teammates as his players will be excited to have them. Obviously has a young quarterback. Josh rosen. The guy who wants to concede to learn the game and continue to have more opportunities to have starts and go out there and make a name for himself. And I think coach Kane Kingsbury is going to look at it the same way he's going to want to go out there and have a great product. And I think he'll do a great job. Let's go to the four games this weekend. You know, personnel and all these teams. All right. So the colts are red hot. Most of us myself included think they're a year away nine draft picks one hundred million cap space from being frightening. Right. Like next year. They may they may be the favorite now this year. I feel like Kansas City. It's their year when you look at that. As they're aware a place. You lean? Well, I'll say India has the advantage a little bit because they play it last week. I think a lot of times when you take a week off, you know, sometimes you might come off that week and might be a little bit far GIC or whatever. And obviously, I know Kansas City is gonna come out and be red hot. I mean, Patrick Mahomes is one of the best quarterbacks in the league in his second year. NFL his first year starting that says a lot about him, and he has great talent around him. But I think sometimes when you have that we go off is is not always the most productive thing. When you get into the now fans think a BI weeks a big advantage. You don't you didn't love it. I don't think so. And I've never been to the playoffs. I can't speak. But I do know that when you have that week off or you know, three or four days off and going into another week of practice. Sometimes it's not always the best thing for you. I would be looking forward to see how Kansas City comes out early in that game. Yeah. So you think the colts have a real shot a? Yeah. I mean, this is the play offs, and is the NFL, you know, service both both teams have great talent. Andrew luck is playing out of this world right now. And you know, his receivers in old line is doing a great job for him. His defense is playing lights out. So I think it would be a great game. I actually think the Cowboys have a significantly better defense than the Rams. And generally, I I know it's an offensive league. But if I have a significant edge on one side of the ball, I think the Cowboys have a chance to beat the Rams. It sounds like you live in L A watch a lot of Rams you like the Rams I think so you know, they have home field advantage by the same sound Dallas has a ton of fans all over the world and not just in Dallas. And so I still will give the advantage to the Rams I think they're such a high powered offense. And I think those guys are looking at last year when they lost Atlanta. They don't want to have that feeling again early dud. Definitely you know, I was expecting those guys go far into the playoffs last year. So I think this year they actually get over the home, by the way, they. Have they have rested Todd Gurley for the last several weeks? Now, they did have a by. I made the argument the Rams needed to buy girlie needed a by. So I think that's an advantage for them. All right. You you played in New England chargers. Have a lot of good players. They're going to New England. You EJ you played in the warm weather, Florida, stay you've gone up to Foxborough when it's twenty seven degrees and face Brady. And Bella check is rough. It is the charges a coming from here in LA. I think the charges to have a good shot of making that a game. I'm never going to count on a guy like Philip rivers. I think who doesn't a lot of times get the respect that. He deserved right? You know, often he's one of the top five quarterbacks in the league. And obviously that's out five is an open discussion forever. But you know, I think you can't count out. I'm sorry. You can't count out Tom Brady doing now. What does Bella check do you faced him? And by the way, he's he has an incredible record against first and second year quarterback. Yeah. Did they did they schematically try to fool you? What did they do to fool? Yeah. Well, I mean, I was a rookie second-year player. You know? So obviously anything that they threw at me. I it was really my first time seeing it because those my first couple of starts, but we're looking at this game this week, Philip rivers. He seen everything enough in one of the best things that he does he gets the ball out of his hands very quickly down. You know? So I think that'll help you know, kind of put New England's rush to you know, a very minimum. But at the same time on the on the flip side, the charges have a great pass rush as well. So they can get at the time. I think it'll be a good game. Finally saints host Philadelphia. Big favourite. Drew brees. It's not the the saints are not they score a lot of points. But they don't throw the ball deep breezes. Naveh cannon. Meanwhile, Nick foles is crazy, and we all think he's a backup. And he's crazy. And he keeps winning these big games. When you watch Nick foles didn't have the biggest arm. He not the biggest guy, not the greatest athlete. What does he do that you like Nick Nick takes care of the ball? He's extremely consistent. He allows his team. His allows us receivers gone. Make plays for him. I don't think Nick try. He doesn't try to necessarily win the game now wins does that more. And that's okay. You know, Carson would take. A couple more chances and things like that. But when I watch Nick play he's very efficient nothing as a backup. Sometimes that's good for you. You don't wanna go out there and try to do too much. You wanna really nest yourself into the game? And then obviously as things start to go. Well, then you can start doing a little more EJ manual joining us. Well, you know playoff games. And you said, you know, you didn't play in the playoffs. But it is funny. You got bonuses. You've got. I mean, these are these are different when you've talked to players because some of the Bill players you played with had been in the playoffs. There is you know, people say it's football games of football game. But the playoffs do feel different. Like, everybody's watching the ratings are magnificent for sure for sure I just can't. Here's where I come. Now. I can't see New England losing. Yeah. I mean a lot of teams say that before they get into the playoffs. But I think you know, anything can happen in those games. And a lot of times he's games decided by Phil go as you saw in the almost all of them. You know what I mean? So it comes down to really who whoever that ball rolls too late in the game whoever's converting third down when? Really needed whoever's converting down the red zone. So who also whoever's winning the turnover Martian, I think teams that you know, they don't turn the ball over that keep the ball in their possession. They have a good chance of winning the game, by the way, New England. One ninety two percent of the games at Foxboro when they score I thirteen into in the playoffs. So they will be very ready to go offense. New England wins games when they score first back to back charger road trips. They could not travel further east than New England EJ. It's great seeing universities who. Thanks. All right. Coming up next hour Kareem Jackson in-studio the Houston. Texans. He faced Andrew luck. A couple of times this year did not necessarily do. Well, he is faced Patrick Mahomes. Brady's so he'll be coming up next. Dak face Dak as well. The Washington Capitals. Take on the Boston. Bruins ten eastern. Tonight's discover card key matchup. Get your free credit score card today. Even if you're not a discover customer, go to discover dot com slash credit scoreboard. Limitations apply. We have a great third hour. Coming up don't go anywhere in Los Angeles. With joy, it's the heard be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Our three in LA. Why this is the her wherever you may be. However, you may be listening. We're on iheartradio Fox Sports radio and right here on f s one joy Taylor is joining me we match again today almost amazing. Kind of. Kind of matching I will have a blazing five tomorrow. I decided on. They're going to make it a five blazin four. No, Piccolo cross-match crosstown. Maybe I'll pick an over under on. Blazing five twenty minutes from now Texans defensive back Kareem Jackson, he faced Andrew luck. Three times this year. Doc, Nick foles Brady Sam darnold Baker, he faced all those guys. He'll be joining us in studio. Best for last there. There's a job you may think is the worst in the NFL. But it is not. But the most recent NFL higher Adam gays with New York Jets. I like it a here's the full list and all we have left to fill our the Bengals and the dolphins. But let's start with the Packers. So Green Bay went out and hired Matt leflore? I don't know. I don't know if he's going to be great coach, I don't. But I know this if he gets the Aaron Rodgers thing right, then it'll work and yesterday the jets hired Adam gays why because Adam gays and Sam darnold had a better connection during the discussion then Sam darnold and Mike McCarthy who did Baker Mayfield one as coach, Freddie kitchens. He got it. And why did Arizona higher cliff Kingsbury because they thought he and Josh Rosen we get along four for four. So. Far the authentic coaches hired were the choice of the quarterback because due to rule changes the quarterback now is more important than the coach. So you gotta get it. Right. It did not use to be this way. Think I'm wrong. John Elway and Mike Shanahan one Super Bowls together. Sometimes not a great relationship. Terry Bradshaw, and Chuck knoll had major issues. One four Super Bowls Phil Simms and Bill Parcells were not best buddies. It was ugly. And they won it used to be a head coach and quarterback league due to rule changes. It is now eight quarterback and coaches leak, by the way, look at the teams and the quarterbacks and the relationships this weekend. So the Rams are in the playoffs. You think it's a coincidence that Goffin McVeigh or like dad and son super tight the Cowboys will face the Rams, here's what we know about the Cowboys Dak Jason Garrett. Are all in together. By the way, the MVP is Patrick Mahomes super tight with Andy Reid. He'll face Andrew luck. And Frank, right. It's as parents, it's an incredible bond. Oh, there's also Nick foles and Doug Peterson. Tight facing Sean Payton and drew Brees tightest in the league. Are you seeing something here if you do not have a relationship work quarterback and coach our symbiotic it doesn't work by the way? Tell me the two teams in the NFL this year that you are shocked didn't make the playoffs. Pittsburgh Big, Ben and Tomlin, not a great relationship and Green Bay Aaron Rodgers and McCarthy imploded also teams that disappointed us Carolina Cam and Ron Rivera. My sources tell me they both frustrate each other, by the way, Matt Ryan, Dan Quinn. It's okay. Kirk cousins, Mike Zimmer do not see eye to eye Zimmer drives cousins drives Zimmer crazy sometimes. K didn't use to be this way. You could have the demanding yelling coach. Mike ditka. Didn't lie have to like Jim McMahon. It didn't matter a Buddy Ryan didn't have to love as quarterbacks you could win Super Bowls. You can win your division for years doesn't work that way anymore. The rule changes if the relationship is even a little off between coach and quarterback, it doesn't work Pittsburgh and Green Bay, by the way. Do you want to know why Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers did not get along this year? Okay. I got this one sourced. They got along fine for years because there was a middleman there was always a middleman, but Alex van pelt got run off the middleman so this year Rogers and McCarthy had to deal with each other constantly and the minute it didn't work the team folded and the coach got fired K so yesterday all these teams named the only team by the way that didn't hire an offensive coach. Denver. Now, why would Denver not worry about that whole quarterback thing they hired Vic Fangio because Denver doesn't have a franchise quarterback that John Elway thinks is going to be around in four years. So they didn't give a rip then in care. They got Gary kubiak being the offensive coordinator. He will eventually have to get along with a quarterback, but they don't think much case keenum. So didn't matter they went and got a defensive coach who by the way, Vic Fangio's good coach not much of a personality. Not much of a talker doesn't have real relationships with quarterbacks in care. Even Tom Brady this year, Tom Brady was always subservient. Dibella check. We all know that right for years and years, it was Bella Tech's team. And Tom did what he said he got rid of Wes Welker. He got rid of Randy moss. Bill ran the show. What happened this year? Brady said you resign gronk on my terms, and you get rid of Garoppolo or I'm out and Bella check said as the greatest coach in football history. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Even in New England for the first time the last couple of years, Tom has flexed. No, no, no. No. No. No, no. We're not getting rid of gronk resign him. Bella check. All right Bill. Check didn't do that. For seventeen years. Brady's like get Garoppolo out of town. I'm not getting up. All right. All right. All right. It is no longer. A coach quarterback league is a quarterback coach league four four yesterday. Aaron signed off on the floor. Darnold, preferred gays Baker wanted Freddie and cliff and Rosen connect, all right? Let's shift to this. So. A dynasty could end this weekend. And I just wanna say this. Join I have said this multiple times she's been in this business. A long time. I've been at longer just because I'm older we both root for stories. We've said that you think we root for teams? Now, we've for content we root for content content equals ratings contract extension. We want fun. We want car wrecks. We went craziness. You know, the best thing that could happen to join us this weekend Dallas wins. That's good for us cowboy nation. Erupts Cowboys Ron FOX that's our team. And you know, the other thing that would be great for us. And you're not gonna believe this. But I will set a record Monday. If this happens the patriots, get blown out and the dynasty dies. Because a lot of people are connecting meet a New England through the years. I see the numbers they'll tune in to see what I have to say about the dynasty that got crushed chargers. Win by forty. They roll him. They beat him forty seven to ten. It is awful Brady stinks. That is great for my business. But that's not going to happen because New England going to win. But the chargers have better players do not arguing so to Jacksonville last year. So does Pittsburgh every year. So that Lanta in the Super Bowl Atlanta had better players. Go to the Pro Bowl list. Seattle at better players in the Super Bowl, by way, sort of the St Louis Rams seventeen years ago they had better players than New England. In fact, if you put down the top ten players in my opinion between the chargers and the patriots this weekend Brady one then Philip rivers than the patriots, Stefan Gilmore then. It's a bunch of chargers. And then Devin mccourty it seven to three chargers Brady rivers to fawn Gilmore, Desmond king Derwin James Joey Bosa Melvin Ingram, Devin mccourty Melvin Gordon keen analogy, and by the way, eleven through twenty is a lot of chargers. Seattle. I better players Atlanta had better players. Pittsburgh Joe has got better players chargers. Have better players Atlanta. Did let me give you the advantages. If I may for New England at home, Bella Chac rested, weather experience significantly better kicker. The chargers are playing on back to back east coast games. There is not geographically unless the NFL creates a very quick franchise in Nova Scotia. There is not a further trip. The chargers could make for the second straight weekend. New England does have less talent. But this has become their brand that outside a Brady talent doesn't win games being at home, cold weather, December January one or two trick plays. Very good bend. Don't break defense. I will tell you without question. And joy Taylor knows this and everybody in my business knows this. We do not root for teams we root for stories. I rooted for LeBron to become a Laker and LeBron to become a Miami Heat. And when those stories get old like LeBron in Miami. Lebron Cleveland, I'm rooting for another story. That's what we root for Dallas winning and New England getting absolutely lit up this weekend is fantastic. But I even think I know how this game is gonna go. A rested team on two weeks is going to start quickly. New England New England is ninety seven and eight at home when they score. I and in fifteen playoff games in Foxborough. They are thirteen and two when they score. I so they are ninety seven and eight overall winning ninety two percent of their games when they score. I and the west coast team travelling out east again will be a little unsettled initially New England gets on them jumps on them early. Then holds them off. It's not actually what I want. What I want is content. And the chargers blown them out. And the Cowboys hammer in the Rams give me a give me four days of stories. But I think New England is the bet this weekend. For great games. Now last week a love the underdogs went four. No last week. I took all the underdogs in the Cowboys. I'll have my picks tomorrow officially on the show Kareem Jackson Houston Texans db faced all Brady and Dak and fulls and luck three times. He'll be joining us in the studio and about ten minutes. One more heard heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like. If you haven't checked out my new series the end of the world with Josh Clark. The now's a great time to start the holidays are over the doldrums of winter had begun. And there's no better time to explore existential dread than right now. But wait, there's more to the end of the world than that. Yes. The series is about existential risks. 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Fourteen live ride today ten thousand more onto van learn more about the pelleting bike one pelleting dot com. Local showroom gained changing indoor cycling bike brings the indoor class to you, by the way. John Elway went out and hired a grown, man. Seventy sixty year old Vic Fangio who didn't have a big personality, which is why it's never been a head coach, no personality and cliff Kingsbury is charming and conceal himself. And you know, Matla fleurs a young guy, and he can be smart and lane kiffin, and, you know, the young coaches, I think having advantage on the old coaches because you know, the old guys come from a different generation where you didn't sell yourself, and you were more humble in. That's how our dads were in some of these coaches are like sixty and sixty three years old. John Elway describes why he was the one guy who hired a defensive coach he said for me. I look for experience. I want guys that understand the game. They get the Xs knows they also have an ability to lead men. That's a big part of it in today's world. Those are the two things I look for he is old school and he appreciated Vic Fangio. Now the advantage to having the old guys as they have what they call good Rolodex. So Bruce Arians, for instance, he's in his sixties. He got hired in Tampa. Immediately has Todd Bowles as a great defensive coordinator. And then he also got Keith Armstrong is one of the top two or three special teams coaches in the league. So the Tampa Bay staff is really really good. You know? That's how you do it. That's how you do it. So guys who have been around in any business have a Rolodex. They got a lot of people on their phone, and they can fill out a staff really quickly. I think Kingsbury is going to have a harder time filling out his staff Matt leflore and never been a high school coach can about harder time filling out his staff. He'll probably ask for help from the general manager. So there there are advantages to having the young guy young guys are not as rigid maybe on the new offenses in the NFL and they get along with a hip quarterbacks better. You know, the the downside is good luck. Filling out of staff a lot of these old guys don't wanna work for thirty three year old head coach. I mean, if you're Greg Williams, do you wanna work with a thirty four year old head coach? And some of these old guys are all in there is at some of these young head coaches. So I I still contend life is sick nickel. Cyclical NFL's a copycat league. And we're all fallen for now anybody that's ever taken a selfie with Sean McVay or had a beer with him. And I think Sean McVeigh's talent is not transferable. I said this yesterday. A Sean McVeigh has the two things that are not transferable. A high Q you can work around and smart guy forever. Ballot. Check out a million guys he worked around. But when he's not in the room, the rooms, not as smart, and Sean McVay and Bill Belichick also had very unique childhood experiences, which allow them to be super smart ballot. Check moms spoke seven languages a language professor and his dad invented scouting. Nobody else can say that that is a childhood adv-. Vantage Bill Gates had that where he snuck into lakeside high school, and it was on a computer years before most people were on a computer, essentially own one go look at Wayne Gretzky's history and the hours he put in before other kids did in for hockey, Malcolm glad well has written about this stuff. Sometimes there are unique childhood advantages. Andre Agassi it hit four hundred thousand tennis balls. But before the average kid had hit ten thousand even the average tennis player so McVeigh and ballot. Check have unique childhood experiences. That have created an alarmingly high IQ in their profession. That's why neither one I believe is ever going to have a great coaching tree. It's not to say Andy Reed's. Not smart. It's not to say, you know, Bill Parcells isn't smart. They both are. But, you know, this this idea that if you hire somebody who's ever spent five minutes, Sean McVay, and they're going to be Sean McVay out on by joy with the news. Turn on the news. This is the heard line news so cliff Kingsbury is the new head coach for the Zona cardinals. And a report from the San Francisco Chronicle said that Keiler Murray will declare for the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. Why none of those things be mentioned together? Well, the internet did some digging and they put up this little tidbit of Kingsbury talking about Carla Murray in October. Tyler is I mean, he's a free, man. I've never seen. It have a poor out not one which quarterback it's impossible to do. But he's done it. I take him with the I figure the draft. If I could I know he signed up to play baseball, but he is a dominant football player. And I would I would take the first pick. Now, Adam Schefter did float the idea of possibly trading Rosen on ESPN s morning. So the idea that they could move on from Rosen isn't impossible or and being discussed. I'm not going to overreact. Yeah. I'm just I'm not going to overreact to Kingsbury speaking with no responsibility in October about what color Murray is going to do. And quite frankly, I don't think that calamari is a number one overall pick. No, I think Wayne Hoskins is I and and I kinda merge naming disgust in the conversation of that. So you have Josh Rosen. You brought Kingsbury end to work with Josh Rosen. Josh Rosen was being protected by the worst offensive line and all football. I really don't know why this conversation other than the fact that he said he would take him in the draft. He wasn't actually head coach when he was saying that so it's not a. A draft by somebody though. Yeah. So Sean Payton is finding unique ways to motivate his players. They don't already have motivation, but he brought in the Lombardi trophy more than two hundred thousand dollars in cash in a Super Bowl ring for display during a player's meeting. Money is meant to reflect what the saints would earn if they won the Super Bowl in bonuses. And obviously the, you know ringing trophy speak of themselves. But it did prove to be effective. According to Sheldon Reagan's. You saw that money in front of you get excited to that's anybody. Don't get excited about that. And I'm right along with him. If we get it done, I need to I need it. And I needed in twenties all duffel bag delivered to my front door. I will take direct deposit. I do not want a bag of two hundred thousand dollars delivered to my front door that seems Beatrice. But it is kind of like a fun thing to. See that a good story. It is huge market. But I mean, do you know the saints get the highest local ratings in the NFL the New Orleans gets the biggest ratings for NFL games in America. I would think Chicago used to be Chicago, you have to remember there, the smaller the city, the bigger the football team issue goes got a lot of people who are baseball fans NBA guys hockey fans, and there's other stuff to do. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm excited to see what's going to happen in this game. I normally would just pick the saints to be a loft after a by and being at home, but something's Nick foles, man. I don't I don't know. Isn't it's weird because it's thick poles. But he strikes a little fear, my heart. And finally Todd Gurley hopes the questions about his injured knee to rest Saturday Cowboys. He lives missed the last two games of the regular season because of inflammation in his left knee. Although he was limited. He participated in practice today for the first time since his knee injury week fifteen who seen going through drills instead after the practice that his knee feels good. So he is going to be a crucial part of this effect that we're still talking about his knee. If I was Rams fan would worry me like should be worried because he hasn't had full participation on girly seventy percent while and Cooper cups. Not playing anymore. It's not the same offense. And it's not a great defense. Now. I just don't I just don't see the Rams as a Super Bowl team. I just I haven't since about six on them. I don't know we make we may be getting a little Sean McVeigh fatigue Rams Petit because we're we're out here. I I don't think we should dismiss them. But I do think there's some concern joy with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard lie Kareem Jackson ninth season in the NFL for the Houston Texans. He was a first round draft pick the Texan secondary is arguably the strength of their team is joining us. Now he had a career year. There were only two Cornerbacks in the NFL that were targeted eighty times into not allow a touchdown yet. You're not a pro bowler. Is that kind of ridiculous? I think so the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest. Definitely like all pro is different right? Pro Bowl is definitely a popularity contest tick you off. Yeah. I was a bit ticked about it. Yeah. A little bit though is kind of move was your best year yet. Yeah. Definitely did use a bonus on that. No, no. You didn't have any bonus tied to. All. Right. So it's not like that. Right. That's good. Then I'd be tech. Right. Okay. So you faced all sorts of guys let's start with this. Faced Andrew luxury times. Yes. So let's let's talk about this you faced him early. When I don't think in week five sixty was healthy, then you faced him late. And then last week. Let's talk about the early luck you faced and the later, Andrew luck. Like you said early on. I don't think he was as healthy, you know. But I mean, you can still see very capable, you know, we all know type of guy is in. No, he proved it the later in the year, you know, to for us to play them two more times. I think the second time we played them thinking he might do for like four hundred or something on us. What's his strength because Kansas City Kansas City's got a pass rush? What will they be watching? What is Andrew luck? Do that is tough to defend for one. He's very smart. No. I mean, he can make every throw you know, is is. But the thing that is always difficult the face quarterback that can keep the play alive. You know? He's very mobile. You know, he can get out of the pocket, you know, make the schedule players as well. You know, so is is difficult to face guys like that, you know, top of him being a pocket pass and and being able to make every throw possible. Yeah. Does he audible a lot at the line of scrimmage? Did you sense that? Yes. Yes. Does a lot of audibles? You know, almost kind of sit there and plays the chase max, which you until you show your hand. But I think he'd do a great job of recognizing. What guys are in after you know, the ball snapped. Also that starts present post nap. Now, they're offensive line used to be a mess. I mean, you know that about eight years ago. Offensive line was terrible. They got a kid named Quinton Nelson. We got a piece of video he even wrestled JV and cloudy. I think a bunch of his success Kareem is I think is offensive line's real good now. Right, right. They've been doing a great job of protecting them. I think does far I'm not sure how many times he's been sacked. But I know is maybe leasing NFL. Yeah. Up to now. Yeah. Not right. But they they've been doing a great job protect them in. You know, you got a guy like that undescended into line protecting them that way. You know, it's it's gonna be tough to beat them. All right. Let's talk about the other AFC game. You face Tom Brady this year action very early. It was September in New England wasn't great then. And it was a very they got on you. Then you came back. If I remember so you face Brady play several times in your career several times, you have several times generally, not been great never beat them. Oh, you'd never beat him. Never been. That's not great. I didn't mean to house very really inappropriate by me. What? Now now, you don't have to compare them to lock. But what is Tom do for you Kareem? That is really tough. I think it does a great job of finding his his mismatches and any exports those very well. You know, obviously, you know, he very. Smart, you know, be very precise and what he does precise. That's no, he's arguably the greatest of all time. So, you know, anytime you got him undescended, you're gonna always have a chance. So you know, he does a lot of Auburn as well. Also gets rid of the ball quickly. If I call you guys couldn't get to him JJ watt. And right. He got rid of the ball fast. Yeah. He does. He does. So I mean pointed out, you know, any FIS as mismatches, and he goes to them right away. Yeah. Let's talk about Dak Prescott. Now you guys beat the Dallas Cowboys. And no Dak Prescott. You know? There's a lot of debate on this show. What is he now is pretty mobile doesn't have I wouldn't say a great arm. Now, you face them when they didn't have Amari Cooper, yet didn't show that was early. They didn't have Amari Cooper. So what Dak what do I if you're playing Dak what do you see definitely do with right guy? I think he's very capable. You know, I mean, I have a great running game. So it has definitely takes a lot of pressure off him. He don't you don't have to go into the game. Knowing has it throw. It fifty whatever times how many times to to do it to get a win. So he can hand it off to Zeke, you know, to take some of the pressure off from. So she audible as much not as much not as much then they just kind of, you know, get in what they're going to get in. And they do what they do. You know, just thing you audible a little bit against us. But not as much as some of these other guys. Sure older veteran players breezy. Audible more. You also face Nick foles whose hard to figure out I supposed to be a backup. But the guys eleven and two is a starter. I can't quite figure Nick foles out for Philadelphia you faced him you lost to him. What what is Nick, obviously, nobody else can figure might either is some about. And once he gets into the playoffs, you know down the stretch for for his team. You know, he does some great stuff, you know, can make every thrown feel now he'll go deep deaf. He can make strong on on. I mean, a guy like that. And I mean in he has pieces also, you know, astronaut Jeffrey, you got gold and take earth's having a great year, you know, and they got s- pros in you know, a couple of other guys I rented back. So you know, he has pieces around him. I know they do a great job of putting them in situations where you can be successful. Yeah. Kareem jackson. You're a free agent, by the way. Definitely somebody's gonna pay for you out. So yeah, I would too. That's the plan. De'andre Hopkins you faced him at practice for years. I remember the Dallas game. We have a piece of tape on this the play he did against Dallas you face. All these great receivers including the Andre Hopkins. If I said to you, including the Andre your teammate practice three best receivers you've ever faced three Bess. I had to go number one. I'll go Julio in aby Antonio Brown top. Now, they're all kind of different Antonio's kind of get what makes de'andre great because he can make the contested catches. You can be all over them. Some kind of way he's going to figure out how to catch it and Brown what special speed speed quickness, he made the tough catches also. But he he's he special for, you know, he catch it in and he can, you know, run away from you. How about Julio? Strong big strong guy fast, and he can run every route. He he's he's kind of a big guy, but he has small guy skills. Yeah. So is it's tough to cover guys. Like that. Hey, by the way, you went to Alabama. Yeah. Did and get into that. They got crushed. I gotta be honest about it. That was brutal. How shocked were you? I'm still sick about that. That's it was brutal, man. I was not expecting that. What do you think happened? The quarterback from Clinton had a great day. He's really good. He he he's really go. I I told somebody the other day in in two years. You would probably be the number one overall pick. Yeah. I saw him in a camp in San Diego year ago. I told joy this. I went down to for a friend to a high school football camp. I didn't know he was he was so much better than all the other high schoolers I don't talk high school football recruiting on the show. But I went I came back that weekend. I told my friend Jason Whitlock guys. I will boy he's oh six six he's special huge arm. But you think Sabin never gonna leave Alabama. No. I don't think. So why would he? Yeah. He's making a lot of money and go where? Well, I mean, if you if I will New York Giants, no, I don't think he goes back to NFL. You don't think? So I don't think so. Yeah. If I'm here, I would by the way. I I ask you about the Houston Texans. You guys have struggled in the playoffs. And you've and you've won your division. There is this stigma. That's hanging over you right now as an organization, right? Can you sense? It the feel like people doubt you now in big spots. I think so I think that's why we don't get a lot of credit. You know that we may deserve, you know, fourteen we won eleven games this year, and that's tough in this league. And it was always kinda like, oh, well, I think they were saying like our Scouser was easy as something like that. But I I'm not sure what it is. Once we get to the playoffs. You know, we we definitely not playing up to our expectations are different, right? Like like, I I like New England over the chargers. Even though I think the chargers have better players because New England has a way to win situationally right in in in the playoffs situation. Football is big. It is is big. So is is definitely that's pretty much the key in the in the in the games, you know, because it will come down to different situations would be about four to five plays that a determined the game. So in usually New England comes out on a winning ended owes. Yeah. Nine years of free agent. Kareem Jackson good having you on the show. I thanks for having me. You bet bud. Coming up, you might. Think it's the worst job in the NFL. And we may change your mind after what we're going to show you that is next in best for last be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio affects one and the iheartradio app. The NFC divisional playoff this weekend on FOX on Saturday. You'll Elliott Cowboys. They Todd Gurley in the Rams on Sunday. Nick foles in the eagles battle drew Brees the saints. It's all happening this weekend on FOX and the Fox Sports at going to be so interesting joy, what at the Rams loose and Sean McVay zone to and I mean they day. This Rams team is all about this year. They dominate ensues. Not a long-term, Marcus Peters. Keep to leave. I mean, they really roll the dice. They have a seventy two year old defensive coordinator. And they don't have a ton of depth. The Rams are very interesting because whereas the Cowboys have a bunch of really good young players that haven't made big money yet. The Rams are full of roster with a lot of guys that make huge money, and they don't have a ton of depth behind. They need to get corners t to leave and Marcus Peters or not going to be here. Long term and Dominic ensues not. So they they the Rams need to win this game. There's the the Los Angeles Rams need to win this football game. They're building the stadium. You know, this is. They're still selling PSL's that you know, the chargers don't have much of a fan base that stadium needs, you know, forty five thousand PSL's you lose there's a lot of they're still building a brand in law. It's still a Laker dodger USC football town. It's an interesting situation that a Cowboys playoff game and the pressure is all on the other team because it is America's team. And it's Jerry and Dak and w they won their home game. Yeah. Touchdown touchdown underdog. I'll do blazing five tomorrow pick all the games. So there's only two coaching positions. Remaining the Cincinnati Bengals in the Miami Dolphins and Bengals in the dolphins are one of five teams not to win a playoff game this century, Detroit. Cleveland and the bills and Miami is obviously wildly dysfunctional, including interim head coaches the most coaches in this league since twenty two thousand four that's fifteen years. So the most coaches in the NFL for fifteen years, you think Cleveland's dysfunctional. You know, the raiders. Dysfunctional. The dolphins are tied for the lead with ten. So they're your team. They're an absolute mess. And I mean here the coaches, my friend, Dave launched out who actually won games, Todd Bowles. Joe philbin. Dan campbell. Adam gay Adam gates got him to the playoffs. They they got rid of him to mazing Sporanos Cam Cameron, Nick Sabin. Jim Bates it it's a mess. So you can you can really make an argument the Cleveland Browns. They're understood they'd just been complete dysfunctional. I think Miami is equally dysfunctional, but they don't get the reputation. Maybe it's because Dan Marino and their history with Don Shula that they have this legacy years ago of success. So we don't want them in. I think they also does have no expectations every year. But it's getting so bad for the dolphins. They actually called our show because we we have a very pro NFL. We talk a lot of NFL news show. Right. And they wanted us to run some ads for the dolphin John. And I watched. Him. And you know, so this is the first one the dolphins sent us. Please consider coaching there. Afraid of getting stuck in the same job come coach the dolphins. And we'll guarantee that you'll be out of here in two years or less the Miami Dolphins, we're unstable you know, that I that's not how I would have pitched it. It's not inaccurate. It's not inaccurate. It's not how I would have pitched the job though. Anyway, here's the second commercial ad. They want us to run. Want to see what a successful NFL franchise. Looks like join the dolphins and you'll get that chance when you face the patriots twice a year. The Miami Dolphins we're waiting for realignment. Well, now, they do beat the patriots down in Miami. They're very good. They're the, you know, I mean, listen sometimes you have to acknowledge your rival. I mean, that is an absolute fact. Are the patriots regular season pats in the last fifteen years they've had fifteen coaches it's funny without him gays because Adam gates gone to the playoffs. Annan gates had a winning record with Ryan tannehill. I mean, it's like Hello. You keep Adam gates for another year. But this is what Miami does here's the. Here's the third ad. They were kind of reaching here. What's better than appearing in a Super Bowl appearing in as Ventura pet detective the Miami Dolphins we've met Jim Carey, I don't think that'll I don't think pet detective is a legendary movie good, Jim Carrey? I think the mask after that didn't he that was very funny that was under a mask, and then he got serious. And then now he's an artist, and he's political and. He he's made his money. Yeah. The you know, it is funny about the dysfunction of jobs like Cleveland Browns fans are very rare. They're the only fan most fan bases that have been beaten up, historically. No, it they're not cocky, Cleveland's the only fan base they finished third, and they're cocky, like they expect to send you tweets and stuff and for you to like be. Oh, hey, Cleveland's talking. Let's listen to them. It's like most organizations like the mats you the Phoenix Coyote fans like most organizations Purdue football fans, don't lecture you Cleveland, the Cleveland Brown fan base is the only fan base in America that like cannot believe you're questioning giving Freddie kitchens job who's never been hired as a coordinator. They're just shocked by it is it's pretty remark. It's a remarkable fan base. I get more people saying you hate, Ohio. And I'm like you mean those LeBron Cavs team I talked about every day for four years. And we're rooting for him to win. Right. I mean, I actually respect Cleveland Browns fans because despite the fact that their organization has been completely dysfunctional for as long as I've been alive, they are very loyal, and they still go to games, and they they still fight for their team. No matter how wrong they give you an example. The chargers have won a lot more games than the Cleveland Browns in the last ten years pry twice as many and they've had much more stability, and they've had like one owner their fans this weekend there in the AFC championship if they win they have a better roster than New England and most charger fans, I talked to in Los Angeles. Or like, I don't know. I don't know. Doug Gottlieb, groper charger fan, even he acknowledged he didn't think they'll win. I think if you did the fantasy draft, right? Like who? Would you rather have Philip rivers? The only time he gets messed up is when there's people at his feet, right? So like, you sit there and go man, I love the chargers. But I've seen this movie too many times. I know how it ends don't I? And and you convince me all right. The chargers finally got a kick or he's from New Jersey weather will bother him when I hear there's snow in the forecast. I see the numbers coming off a by. There's no logic. Ical reason that Tom Brady and the patriots should play in the AFC championship game. But they're gonna play in the NFC champ chugging because or the patriots. And and for the record. I have friends who are charger fans, they all sound like that. So charger fans who have a really good team. I mean, I I still contend if I was if you were asking me the best rosters of in the NFL right now all the teams, I would say let let's do this. I would say LA chargers have the best roster remaining in the NFL. Kansas City has some stars. But some holes I would say, you know, what I think I'm crazy on this. I'd say Dallas I love the roster. They're probably the more. Well, rounded Rosser talking about Kansas City. I mean their ranks close to last in the league. So they have some stars. But as a whole like the Rams have I you know, I'm going to throw this out. I think Philadelphia's rosters good. I just don't think Dabney stars. Then I probably go. I would go. See saints. Have a lot of stars on the defensive and offensive line fans. Don't know then I would say LA Rams than I would say five Kansas City. Chiefs are just align. Six saints seven New England eight Indy. Not feels about right? But, but I guess the point is the charger fans are going in with great apprehension Cleveland, the Cleveland Brown fan base is the does the Cleveland Brown fan base get this. They didn't hire Greg Williams who's been acc- and his one they hired the coordinator who nobody else had ever interviewed for coordinator job and Brown fans. Wonder why a lot of us are like that so Cleveland and their other candidate was a kid that works for the Vikings. Who's never worked for another team? They're only candidates for the two least experienced guys and by knowledge that those facts Brown fans knew it's like you've finished in third and for the record, you know, only finished in third, but you finished in third and your cocky the Steelers finished in second. And they're furious and want to get rid of everybody that tells you the standard of the Pittsburgh Steelers is here in the standard of the Cleveland Browns is here and for the record. No, I don't think Baker mayfield's a bus. But I did. Say when Baker got drafted this is what he's going to have to overcome. Well, yeah. I mean, that's kind of disappointing part for me with the Browns is is Baker is good content. We talk about that all the time. He's trying to walk and he's fun to watch. He's an exciting player. And I'd like to see I don't ever root for any franchise to be consistently bad. Not good for us. You know, listen Y NFL FOX has forty percent of the NFL. But he wants to watch a dud? We don't like bad games. We own forty percent of the NFL. We have Thursday night football. We have the late Sunday winnow. The most watched game of the week. We have. I mean, we are completely as ESPN's and NBA network. We're in NFL network. We don't want duds. We don't want Jacksonville. We don't like poorly a quarterback teams bakers interesting. I like Baker as a quarterback talent. I just I think you cannot deny that the Hugh Jackson. Todd Haley situation was completely on brand for Cleveland, and hiring Freddie kitchen is completely on brand for Cleveland. I'm. John Dorsey, you know, the Bruce Arians were out there. The Mike McCarthy's were out there. They're not interested. They not that the coaches weren't interested Cleveland's not interested. John Dorsey wants to run the show. I wanna push back from veteran coaches, the coaches are interested. They kinda look at Cleveland and go. Cleveland's they now we'll take the least experienced guy in the market because he coordinated eight games with Baker. Listen, they they lit up Atlanta, and Cincinnati you they did get this team. Got crushed by the chargers and beat by the ravens, and you're all right. Tomorrow's blazing five. So we'll pick our playoff games. Tomorrow. Drive safe. Be safe fun. Doug Gottlieb in Greg Cosell, EJ manual Kareem. Jackson all stop by the heard today. We will see you speak for yourself later. We'll see you tomorrow, most serial killers don't make any effort to involve media or best Gators. They're very secretive. They don't wanna tension. They almost want their crimes to go unnoticed, but the idea of committing a crime, and then calling the police and bragging about it. That's a whole 'nother level of terror. A man who wore a mediaeval style executioner's hood. Police in baffled the media. 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The Sporting Life: 1/25/19

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

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The Sporting Life: 1/25/19

"Welcome to the sporting life with Jeremy Shaab. Over the next hour ESPN's tissue. Thompson describes the dark side of the Super Bowl ticket resale market the average bit. Provoke Bill will pass between three to three different people before it ever gets to the fan. Sometimes it'll be as many fixed brokers will touch that ticket before you ever have a shot to buy it. We'll take the action plus one week after a controversial championship weekend and the NFL former head coach dick for meal wants to air his frustrations coaching, but Bali that happens to you. But when it happens in a championship playoff game, it magnifies the importance and the voice of Monday night football. Joe Tessie tour explains why he takes his job. So seriously, I come from an American neighborhood connected in New York, my fame emigrated to this country. My mother came to this country, speak English, and I grew up with grandparents or talian speaking. But the one way that my family, mostly assimilated to this country was with sports and sports television. This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy shop. Welcome to another edition of the sporting life nearly twenty years ago. The St Louis Rams were known as the greatest show on turf lead on the field by the hall of fame quarterback. Kurt Warner and on the sidelines by the great coach dick for meal. He joins us later in the show will also be joined by arguably the greatest lacrosse player who has ever lived Lyle Thompson. But before we get to Lyle Thompson and dick for meal and Joe Tessa tours. Also, joining us we're gonna talk Super Bowl tickets with another Thompson, mice team colleague, tissue Thompson tissue. Thank you for joining us for having me tissue. Now, if you are a fan of either let's say the patriots or the Rams right now at you want to go see the Super Bowl in Atlanta next weekend. How tough is it to get a ticket treaty easy to get a ticket? I've been watching ticket prices all week. And generally speaking. Most years. The worst time to buy is in the twenty four hours out to the NF AFC championship, which of course, was on Sunday. So Sunday to Monday prices were pretty high not the highest anyone's ever seen him. But still the Super Bowl is always the most expensive ticket for get in price. You know, the cheapest ticket you can possibly get the prices have just been dropping dropping dropping. They look like a relative bargain. I mean, if you think two thousand dollars is a relative bargain, but they're pretty cheap compared to say last year and the year before that. So those those fans are luck. But the real fans who truly luck or the fans in Atlanta. Folks who live in Atlanta, probably have the best opportunity to see a Super Bowl because they can wait. They can watch ticket prices, and they can buy when they think that they've bottomed out. It's always nice to be the home team. Erm started the home city when it comes to buying these tickets, which speaking with my colleague tissue Thompson about sidelines east sixty tissue has a new piece that will be on e sixty this Sunday morning. Also piece for ESPN dot com about the perils the hazards of buying Super Bowl tickets in the resale market, it's a real caveat emptor, very eye-opening, and you've been reporting this story since last Super Bowl and before that explained to be the mechanics of how it works. If you're trying to buy a Super Bowl ticket from a broker. Well, I think it all starts with how the NFL distributes the ticket. So unlike a typical football game where in theory, you can go to the box. Office and buy a ticket straight from the Denver Broncos box office. I've actually done that as part of our reporting I just walked up to the box office. And I bought a ticket that day. You can't do that with the Super Bowl. Did you go to the game? Did I go to the Broncos game? I went in to do some work. I was working that was mostly checking ticket prices. I've been checking out ticket prices now for about a year and a half. Do you wanna know about tickets? I can probably tell you an awful lot about last hour know about no, I'm kidding. No. I mean, it's our whole our whole. Approach has been if I'm difficult fan. How do I get the best deal? How do I get the best seats for the best deal without getting ripped on? Right because everybody feels like it's a it's treacherous territory. My really getting the getting the tickets for the price that they really should be right in the Super Bowl is a really tricky situation because the tickets are never available to the to the average fan it face value. You can't buy them at the box office. What you've got to go to the secondary market. And what are the things I think some people are surprised by you can go to any major secondary sites with dope hubs. You took our NFL ticket exchange, which is run by TicketMaster. You can all of those places plus brokers who are in the businesses sewing you Super Bowl tickets. We'll so how to heck do they get their hands on those tickets? Well, we were able to follow a round eight ticket brokers. He was Mike Littman. He works out of Miami. He has been in the business this duper bowl tickets for over two decades now, and he this is what he specializes in. And he spends all year working with players and sponsors of the Super Bowl people who have access to those tickets. His first distributed by the NFL, and he you know, creates relationships with them. So that if they do not get into the Super Bowl, he can then buy the tickets off of those players and. Various people with access. He was the first one to really open to, but we do confirm what NFL under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement. A player any player in the NFL right now can get two tickets to Super Bowl if they are actually plea on the team that's going to the game. They can get fifteen tickets to the Super Bowl, and they can buy those tickets face value. Keep us based on either there's a hundred and fifty dollars. They were selling those tickets, and we were there when one player was trying to a still his tickets to Littmann last year for about twenty seven hundred dollars. So they're they're trying to turn to three time profit or not profit. But they're trying to get three times face value on them Littman turn that guy down because it wasn't worth that much. But that's not what they're any forces three times. And they limit takes that ticket and flips it, and he tries to make some profit off with it selling it, not just not just a fan of us are selling to other kids brokers. Because I think that's very eye. Opening Whitman says that the average Super Bowl ticket will pass between two to three different people before it ever gets to the fan. Sometimes it'll be as many as six to seven different brokers will touch that ticket before you ever have a shot to buy it. And they'll take a piece of the action why they flip it from one person to another to another. We're speaking with tissue. Thompson of e sixty and outside the lines my colleague who's new story about the Super Bowl. Ticket market is stagnating. You can see on sixty on Sunday morning one week before the Super Bowl to be played in Atlanta. There's also a dot com story, which is titled OT L how the wild world how wild world of Super Bowl ticket brokering can burn regular fats. And as you report in the story. There's nothing per se illegal going on here. There's nothing no illegal about this market. And there's nothing illegal alternately not about not being able to deliver the tickets that are promised as long as you pay him. Back. Right. Well, I mean, there's two schools of thought out there. They're in the business and says this is a free market. And if that's what the price of tickets are going for then you, you know, you should be able to make the money you can make right? But there is a school of thought of wait a second it works until fans. Don't get what they were promised. What his what they thought? You know, they pay over thousands of dollars for tickets. And then maybe they don't get tickets. Right. And what we what we really wrap their heads around the articles this act this concept called tickets speculation. And the Super Bowl is in like any major sporting event, you're gonna run into something called ticket speculation essentially what it is brokers and people who are trying to sell tickets at a prophet. He's leader sporting events are gambling six months in advance. Based on where the game is going to be for what kind of prices, they think they can get for the tickets. So to us. Is the year that we really focus in on which is twenty fifteen which was the Seattle Seahawks versus the New England Patriots in Arizona. The game was in Arizona, so broker six months before that game before they knew who was actually going to play in that game thought based on previous Super Bowls where the location is irresolvable that was a warm place. People could golf they really do other things that just Huber they thought, well, we can get our hands on those tickets probably for fifteen hundred dollars for people like, you know, players sponsors. Because folks that we could flip them for about three thousand dollars bake, you know, fifteen hundred dollars profit double their money. Well once the Seahawks won that game. And they realized that they were going to the Super Bowl. There was the man it was a perfect storm. It was a whisker of venue with a fanatic west coast team. That was so so that would be there and a lot of could just drive machine. So people were just driving down. They're hoping to get their hands on tickets. Well, anyone who had bought tickets for three thousand dollars? Well. Those tickets were worth three thousand dollars. Now, they were upwards of ten thousand dollars because the band was so high so brokers who had promised three thousand dollars seven thousand dollars in the hole. Right. So when a two scenarios happened brokers either very quickly said to their clients. I'm sorry. We can't deliver these tickets. Here's a full refund. Some brokers either through like five hundred dollars or a thousand bucks say apologize for you know, basically, you're not gonna get to Super Bowl. But they at least were affront about it. And they were honest about it. There are other brokers to stroke people along who kept saying over you get your tickets to get your tickets and get your tickets. Those people didn't came down to Cemex and for anyone. He's under the new Super Bowl. It is incredibly expensive experience hotels that are not one hundred fifty dollars or a thousand bucks at night lights are like two or three hundred dollars or thousand bucks just to get to the town. You know, and then the food is ridiculous of the taxes. Are it's just. Very very expensive. If you can get an Uber. I mean, I guess the lesson ultimately tissue from your from your story your reporting here of last year and a half is that in less. You've got the tickets in hand. Don't know. You've got nothing is guaranteed. What Bill eating? That's typically funny that they don't have the tickets in their hands yet because they can't get reception or rowers seat. So that's my biggest piece of advice much tougher on just a general area. Like, it's in the stadium. Yeah, that's three hundred somewhere of you know, thirty year if you see that, but it doesn't necessarily mean a speculative. It's just me. I would want to know at least a section at this point to shoot. Thompson a terrific story and very important to anyone who happens to be considering at this point going to the game next week. The story can be seen as I said Sunday morning on E sixty. I think we're on at nine eastern time on ESPN two this week and also tissue story. Free SPN dot com is online tissue. Thank you so much as always for joining us. Thanks for having me. This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. We're joined now in this segment by someone who can be called plausibly with implausibly the greatest ever in his sport. He is by many measures, the greatest lacrosse player, ever, we're pleased to welcome to the sporting life. Lyle Thompson Lyle, thank you for joining us. Actually, I haven't been Lyle. The sport of lacrosse has grown so much in the last couple of decades. But there was a period of time when its popularity was essentially limited to a few geographic areas, primarily the area around Baltimore, Maryland, Long Island, New York and upstate New York. Your from upstate New York. Can you tell us about your first exposure to the game? Yeah. For me. I grew up on the reservation, just south a surface, central New York, and and for for men and for a lot of a lot of people going up on the dog or exhibition. It's it's really it's really tradition. It's the game has passed down. So right from what I was born. I was giving a traditional one at stake from my father in, you know, all through so all my family lines. We we've all played the game lacrosse, so I've had a stick in my hand with the Dell was born and you were twice honored when you were at Albany in college. Jr. As the national player of the year. The winner of the two are in trophy, your brother won the two art and trophy Albany is well you scored at least one hundred points in your final three seasons at Albany. You were the first overall selection in the drafts of both of the major lacrosse leagues. Your your credentials are impeccable. But what observers of the game same with anything else is how much you and your brothers and your cousin changed the game. How did you guys change the game? I'm looking at it from from my my point of view. Honestly, I think would just brought him aspect to the game where we're kind of brought some fun back into the game. It's a it's a creative game. And that's what we were always taught us kids. And I think that was a point in time where the game was was became really structured in in your coats away where you were supposed to play the game of certain way. And and me and. My brothers. And we've we've always played the game in a lot of native Americans. We've always played the game whether really free style and it allowed for more creativity. But also outside of the game. It just brought a lot more awareness to who we are. And where this game has wears game was originated because at one point. It was you know, known as the rich white preppy sport. When when you know, we've been playing this game for for hundreds of years, and I think when when me miles and tie started to blow up at Albany. That's what people were seeing in in. Our story was was starting to be told in that story was about native American people and in where the game comes from. So it was it was important for us. We're speaking with Lyle Thompson, are you bleed the greatest lacrosse player ever and still very much in the prime of his career number one overall pick in both major lacrosse leagues in two thousand fifteen now. As for the Chesapeake Bay hawks in major league, lacrosse and the Georgia swarm in the national lacrosse league. Why is it important for you for there to be greater recognition of the legacy of native Americans in lacrosse and their ownership of the origins of the game. I mean, I think I think what I'm what I'm beginning to realize as as I continue to grow as a person. And I've been lacrosse player is I wanna I wanna I want native Americans to be recognized even more than just lacrosse because then lacrosse, you know, it's again, it's it's growing in that area. But it's just important to me because that's why I come from. I see a lot of the struggles. I see a lot of our our our community struggles and lacrosse has been a vehicle for for a lot of us. And I know it's been a huge huge part of me and my brothers lives, and we want we wanted to same for the next generation. So that's why. Important to us. We're speaking with Lyle Thompson, the legendary all-time great lacrosse tack men who now plays professionally here in the US of loud there. There was an ugly incident in the last several days involving you in Philadelphia's you were playing and the arena announcer for the home team in Philadelphia. A guy named shawnee hill said something he said the words talking about you, and in you wear your hair in a long braid as a way of honoring your heritage. He said to the whole crowd. Let's nip the ponytail as way of going after you, what were you thinking in the moment when you heard him say, those things could be honest. I didn't hear him say the words I was I was carrying a ball down. You know, usually when you're on the floor. You don't hear them? So he that. But once you step off the floor decks when you hear my whole team her they I wouldn't say they reacted to it. But they they definitely within the team they reacted to it. But there were some other incidents during the game that you know, similar insurance. Honestly worse than that from the fans. Yep. From the fence, and that's that's the part of that kinda dot to me, which I wish I hadn't. But did but yeah that that. That's what happened against Filadelfia. It's been about five days. Now six days since the incident were speaking here on a Friday. It was the previous Saturday. How are you processing it? What is it like for you to kind of endure that kind of racism, honestly, you know, the only way I can gossip it only I can handle it is in a positive way. That's something sports is time. It's just across really has caught me. And I do think there's there's good from some be interested. It's it's kinda it's really opened my eyes up about how educated people are about my people about every American people. But also in an eye opener for me to be able to to look at the next generation and to be able to have control, and and making sure that, you know, incidents like this don't happen to them. And and to be honest at the youth level, they're happening a lot more. And that's what I. I want to be part of that sort of wanna be able to take part in. And you know, like, I said, I think I think there is good. That's gotta come from this. And and those are the things, you know, I wanna focus on. Well, it's been a pleasure Lyle having you here on the sporting life. Thank you for taking the time to speak with us. And congratulations on another outstanding season Lyle Thompson is widely regarded as one of the best players ever in the ancient sport of cross Lyle. Thanks so much again for being here on the show. Thank guy. These these the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. We had the distinct honor of being joined by a man who knows exactly what is it stake in what it takes to coach in the big game. Dick for meal won a Super Bowl as the head coach of the Saint Louis Rams. He also lost a Super Bowl as the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. He's one of the iconic head coaches in pro football history, dick, it's a pleasure to welcome you to the sporting life. Thank you back to me with you. So take we've got the Rams there. Now, of course, the LA Rams when you want a Super Bowl, they were the Saint Louis Rams and had previously been the LA. Rams. I'm assuming though that you're still a Rams guy. Even though you subsequently coached the chiefs that that you're pulling for the Rams against the patriots. Oh, I certainly have. Yeah. You know, I still have friends there. And the owner, of course, STAN Kroenke on forty three percent of the St Louis Rams what I coached him. So I have a real reason to maintain that relationship with that organization. What do you think about this matchup? Well, I think it's going to be very. Just you know, it's always tough history tells you the New England Bella check and Brady very very tough to beat in big games kind of be done. Sure. The Rams can be it. But they're going to have to play extremely well and make very few mistakes. Don't get mad coach from your fficials. Speaking van calls from the officials who were speaking with dick remedial, the former Rams chiefs and eagles head coach. What happened at the end of regulation in the saints Rams game the NFC title game, the non call on the past interference. How do you process? What happened? What are your thoughts about about the non call? Well, you know, it shouldn't happen. But we have to remember that officials are human beings. They're not robots. They are gonna make mistakes. But I think we've got to come up with a way that we correct? That game changing mistake before it costs a team a chance to go ahead and be a championship game. You know? And maybe they allow one evaluation pertain per game in in in a replay. And go that way, but subjects got to be done. It's just a shame. It happened. You know, we've all if you go ch in the national football like it happens to you. But. When it happened in a championship playoff game. It's magnifies the importance, you know, rather than New Orleans being a Super Bowl team and their fans celebrating and going to a Super Bowl they're out of it. And it goes to the Rams now would the Rams have won the game already. Anyway, maybe but it didn't look like it. De legitimize for you the Super Bowl that's taking place. Well, you know, the two great football teams are playing and you know, Kansas City Chiefs without a penalty here or there probably would have won the game. But I think coaches live with those things and also the season, but they're magnified in playoff games, you know, and they become much more critical because there's more at stake in a playoff game. You know, it's sudden death if you if an official blows a call in the six game this season, you're still got ten games to play. But when it went to sudden-death, it really isn't magnified mistake. We speaking with dick for meal, the former NFL head coach the Super Bowl winning head coach one of the most famous final moments of Super Bowl. Of course. When the Rams prevented the titans from scoring. What do you remember thinking as that was unfolding before your eyes now almost twenty years ago? Well. I remember talking to my offensive coordinator my headset from sideline about getting prepared. Now. In case we go into overtime. It's the first series of downs thoughts in your head and all that kind of stuff because it didn't look very good. And you could feel the momentum on the field that Tennessee had gained. And and our defensive lineman were wearing down from rushing the passer and then trying to tackling the quarterback and not getting down. And then the great all pro running back for reference for yards at a time. So I was thinking ahead in case they scored and when they didn't when they didn't. Well, you know, it's it's a great feeling having been there and lost one. Which is a terrible feeling and having been there on one one. Which is a great feeling. I know the difference. Okay. Now, it takes the same thing to get there and loses that does to get there and win, you know, the teams in fact, my eagle team did works five years to get there. And then we didn't win it. Whether Rams took three years to get there and win it. So exhilaration. It's a humbling feeling as well. It really is. Because all of a sudden, you start encompassing. All the feelings of all the people involved starting with your own family coaching staff, your players, but on to your city your ownership. It's a it's a come together moment. Believe me who speaking with great dig for meal about the Super Bowl past and present. And this remarkable patriots run since the beginning of the century. And so much has been said about it so much has been written about it. The genius Bill. Bella check the genius of Tom Brady. Did you ever think in this day and age with the way that the league has been built upon a foundation a perpetuating parody that we would see such consistent excellence ever from a franchise. The way we have seen for the last seventeen eighteen years. I wouldn't have bet on it. Tough to do. You know? I just. Yeah. That's why you have to respect so much. What they have done starting with the ownership. And then right? There's a leadership. Belching drive the bus, you know. Whereas do it, you know, he doesn't call offense. He plays. He doesn't call the defensive signals. He makes all the decisions on a year round basis. Put him in a situation he sets the tone. You know, his mantra, you know, do the redo your job and he holds people responsible for doing their job. And they all know if they don't they're going to be there. So I mean, it's an amazing job of leadership. I think that they're going now to they're nights Super Bowl in this era under Bella check in with Brady a quarterback franchise had been to two Super Bowls previously in the eighties and the nineties. What does it say to you? I find it interesting that they've won five Super Bowls. They've lost three Super Bowls in this era in all of the games have been tight. You would have thought that just by virtue of the odds? The one of these games would have been a blow out and they've all been close games. What? What does it? What does that tell you about the patriots? And the way this team has been built, you know. I'm just echoing what already said it just shows outstanding leadership on a year round basis. You know, at shows outstanding ability to evaluate what has to be done after winning it last year or losing last year evaluating what kind of people can fill the void of those that are leaving or those that we wanna leave. You know, I nobody has been as successful. You know, Pittsburgh Steelers won four of 'em. You know, Bill lauch one three of them. They did real well but nobody's done. What Bella check is done in some of those people didn't stay in the league low for a long time after they started winning games. They retired. They went on Bill has stayed in. And obviously Brady has stayed with him, and he has lost anything. In fact, I think he's gotten better speaking with dick for meal and more important dick when you're are you going to be at the game? Or are you going to be watching it on TV? I'm going to be watching it on TV. And and what kind of wine will you be drinking? I'll be drinking for meal Rosedale block one hundred percent cabernet you can buy online by building for meal lines. And and of course, correct me if I'm wrong, you're a finalist for the hall of fame this year. So I'm not a finalist. I've been nominated here. But I have never made the finals. So but you were not among the finalists. Oh, no. How do you wrap your head around that? I I don't understand why you're not in the hall of fame. Well, thank you. That's a nice Cup on that. I don't vote. Okay. And obviously there's people that do folks don't think I belong here. So I'm not there. I don't lose it actually what we're I really don't if it happens. Great. If it doesn't I got out of my career National Football League my relationships with my owners, and my players so more than I ever dissipated getting out of my career. So I'm very appreciative of that and respectful of it. If if it ends up putting us in the hall of fame wonderful is going to be a lot of people that will go along with me. Oh, my. All my coaches. You know, they were all big part of it on looking forward to trying some of that one hundred percent cabernet sauvignon. Great things about it. Dick through meal, the legendary pro football head coach coach if the chiefs the Rams and the eagles, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us here in the sporting life. You take care. Go rams. This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. We're joined now by the voice of Monday night, football and boxing on ESPN, one of the greats in the business, our old friend Joe Tessa to our Joe thank you for being with us. Jeremy is always a pleasure to be with you, my friend. Joe the assignment this week is the Pro Bowl. I I I I'm not going to diminish the event or anything like that. It's it's but I've kind of lost track. I mean it move from Hawaii years ago, it's an Orlando now it's before the Super Bowl. How are you preparing for this game a lot of socializing in the lobby bar that we're prepared? It's it's a fun week for all of us who live the weekly grind of the NFL, which obviously is in honor and a realty part of this league. And you know, where it stands on the sports landscape and our country of all the eyeballs and awareness, and but it also comes with the, hyper attentiveness in scrutiny. And then you get a week where we all can breathe for a moment and everybody gathers and everybody who is celebrating a successful year. And it's nice to socialize. It's nice to be together in a less pressure packed environment. And the catch up with all these guys. And you know, the one thing I will tell you is it does mean. So now, listen, I know players who just got done playing in the championship game or dealing with injuries and you'll get replacements, but for those who are here. And there are superstars here. It means a lot and this brotherhood and celebrating the game and going out there and doing your thing. And then especially for some that we had like even on the AFC side. Consider what's been overcome this year and to get back to moments like this of overcoming injury. I mean, we've got one of the great comeback stories of all with Andrew luck with the AFC and Shawn Watson baking his first Pro Bowl coming back from the tourneys yell. So we're thrilled to be here. So a lot of fun to hang with the guys and some great storylines attached to the week. When is the game the game is Sunday at three o'clock on ESPN and ABC's. So now that we have the promo a lot of the way please suit in germ. You know, what I think I will. I think I will. It's it's been a while. I concede. We're speaking with the grow. We're speaking with the great Joe tests the tour, and you just completed your first season as the play by play voice on Monday night football. What was that experience? Like, I it's one of the the big chairs the big microphones in our industry. Oh, it was a thrill, and it was a thrill because of who I was surrounded with I was surrounded with in our business, and at our place, we have so many talented people that, you know, our viewers just don't know. But when you talk about a crew and the complete staff of upwards of a hundred eighty traveling with this army this but talion of TV production on Monday night football. They are the best of the best and they're so wonderful to work with. And then I'm so proud of our two rookies who are in the booth and and poor Lisa Saulters with all her Emmys and all. Experience having to put up with the three of us. But I can't imagine she was complaining about it all year for for booger McFarland to watch his assent in the last four years ago who act Jeremy I was sitting there auditioning booger McFarland, and when we were starting out the SEC network and watching what he is turned into to this this man, which is such a joyfulness, and and also irreverence and strong opinions, and and willing to share and be so authentic with his style. And and his unique background the way he comes across and then to have generational -ly an eleven time Pro Bowl where and a sure thing pro football hall of Famer who could have still been on the field, and for Jason witness at you know, what I understand that that chair opens up about once a decade in it's very very special. And I want to take on that challenge. I couldn't be more proud of these guys a rookie in calling games. To step off knowing how scrutinize Monday night football has been. I mean, that's a site business now of critiquing Monday night football that goes back to the days of when you and I were watching the three ultra celebrities in the booth of the seventies and people were putting bricks to the TV with Howard, and your nad was part of that whole scene covering the NFL back then and and the scene with Meredith and Gifford Cosell, but this has been going on for years because it's the standalone game at the end of it all when everybody's attention is on it. And for those guys to take on that challenge and to grow into learn and to develop and where we finished up the year. You know, I couldn't be more proud to be a part of it into see their, growth and development, and their joyfulness and friendship and respect for each other. And how much they work at it in care for it. And it's going to be the start just a very very very wrong brotherhood together with. These two, and I think they make a dynamic parent. I'm we're very excited about the future with them. I'm assuming though Joe that there were times when you were sitting there, and you know, the world is watching it's the biggest show on cable television. And you've got Lisa and booger and Jason there, and you were you were a little bit nostalgic. I mean, it was it was going through your mind. Like, I wish I was back at one of those small casinos Jeremy in teddy. And you know, it was it was like a five five fight card, usually featuring one D S, you know, great fighter. It you. You you kind of missed it you missed it a little bit. I mean, it's been about fifteen years, of course. Especially when you watch those. The ratings role in at twenty six billion off of a wildcard game your style GIC for flights and in you know, a back road casino in Oklahoma smoke filled with with somebody. They can you you know, how passionate I am about the fight game. And vizier has has been an incredible experience in my career. Because obviously now that ESPN has gone into the boxing business with top rank at the highest level of you know, here we are owning and operating the two pound for pound best fighters in the world's careers on our network with the silly woman Tanko and Crawford and this crop of incredible prospects and contenders. My year of Monday night football the NFL playoffs. The Pro Bowl we're going to call the Super Bowl the English version of the Super Bowl internationally for the first time with an Monday night football asked to do that. So and then you balance world title phase should be awesome down that with these role title place. I feel. Very very great till very very blessed that the two sports I most passionate about is where I can put my energy, and and try to you know, play my craft here in a positive way for people here. And and you know, it is special, and it's it's it's a little maybe perhaps more special for me. And I've told the story a few times, Jeremy, but as you know, you know, I come from an Italian American neighborhoods in Schenectady New York of a big family, my family to this country. And my mother came to this country, couldn't speak English. And you know, I grew up with grandparents who are talian speaking. But the one way that that my family, mostly assimilated to this country was with sports and sports television. And I used to make my my grandfather, my non-english-speaking grandfather laugh by doing a Cosell impersonation because he loved boxing, and he loves football, and I put on the fedora, and I make them laugh as a little kid of impersonating Cosell and all these years later to be in that boot, it's just it's very reflective at time. For me. And you know, I it it does hit me in the chest a little bit. You know? It's always a pleasure. It's great to catch up. Congratulations on a terrific year. Calling Monday night football looking forward to the Pro Bowl seriously, three o'clock Sunday from Orlando have fun down. There. You need you need a little bit of relaxation. Thanks for being here on the sporting life. Jeremy I'm gonna put the invitation out there right now April twentieth. You should be sitting ringside for bud Crawford. Amir Khan for the welterweight championship of the world on ESPN did yourself there. If you can give me a ticket. I'm in. We have laser doing that, my friend. Thanks you. All right. Thanks for having joined us, I'm Jeremy shop, and this has been the sporting life on ESPN radio. Join us every Saturday and every Sunday morning. We're on at six eastern time next week. We'll be previewing the Super Bowl. These these the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app.

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Dick Vermeil, former Rams Head Coach

"This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy chef. And as we approach Super Bowl fifty three. We had the distinct honor of being joined by man who knows exactly what is it stake in what it takes to coach in the big game. Dick for meal won a Super Bowl as the head coach of the St Louis Rams. He also lost a Super Bowl as the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. He's one of the iconic head coaches in pro football history, dick, it's a pleasure to welcome you to the sporting life. Thank you naked me. Would you take? We've got the Rams there. Now, of course, the LA Rams when you want to Super Bowl, they were the Saint Louis Rams and had previously been the LA. Rams. I'm assuming that you're still Rams guy. Even though you subsequently coached the chiefs that that you're pulling for the Rams against the patriots. I certainly have. Yeah. You know, I still have friends there. And the owner, of course, STAN Kroenke on forty three percent of. The Saint Louis Rams what I coached him. So I have a reason reason to maintain a good relationship with that organization. What do you think about this matchup? Well, I think it's going to be very very tough. You know, it's always tough history tells you the New England Bella check and Brady very very tough to beat big games. Can't be done. Sure. The Rams can beat him put they're going to have to play extremely well and make very few mistakes. Don't get bad. Kosher officials. Speaking van calls from the officials who were speaking with dick tra- meal, the former Rams chiefs and eagles head coach what happened at the end of regulation in the saints Rams game the NFC title game, the non call and the past interference. How do you process? What happened? What are your thoughts about about the non call? Well, you know, it shouldn't happen. But we have to remember that officials are human beings. They're not robots. They are gonna make mistakes. But I think we've got to come up with a way that we correct that game changing the stake before it costs a team a chance to go ahead and be a championship date. You know on a maybe they allow one evaluation per teen per game in in in a replay. And go that way. But some just got to be done. It's just a shame. It happened. You know, we've all if you coach in the national football like it happens to you. But. When it happens in a championship playoff game. It's magnifies the important, you know, rather than New Orleans being a Super Bowl team and their fans celebrating and going to Super Bowl they're out of it. And it goes to the Rams now would the Rams have won the game already. Anyway, maybe but it didn't look like it. De legitimize for you the Super Bowl that's taking place. Well, you know to great football teams are playing and you know, Kansas City Chiefs without a penalty here. They're probably would have won the game. But I think coaches live with those things any also the season, but they're magnified in playoff games, you know, and they become much more critical because there's more at stake in a playoff game. You know, it seven death. If you if an official blows a call in the six game this season, you're still got ten games to play when it sudden death. It really is back defied mistake. We speak with dick for meal, the former NFL head coached the Super Bowl winning head coach one of the most steam as final moments of Super Bowl, of course. When the Rams prevented the titans from scoring. What do you remember thinking as that was unfolding before your eyes now almost twenty years ago? Well. I remember talking to my offensive coordinator my headset from the sideline about getting prepared. Now. In case, we go into overtime if the first series of downs thoughts in your head and all that kind of stuff because it didn't look very good. And you could feel the momentum on the field that Tennissee had gained. And in our defensive lineman were wearing down from rushing the passer and then trying to tackling the quarterback and not getting down. And then the great all pro running back for reference for yards at a time. So I was thinking ahead in case they scored and when they didn't when they didn't. Well, you know, it's it's a great feeling having been there and lost one. Which is a terrible feeling and having been there and won one. Which is a great feeling. I know the difference. Okay. Now, it takes the same thing to get there and loses that does to get there and win, you know, the teams in fact, my eagle team did works five years to get there. And then we didn't win it. Whether Rams took three years to get there and win it so exhilaration. It's a humbling feeling as well. It really is. Because all of a sudden you starting comforting. All the feelings of all the people involved sorry with your own family. Go cat your players, but on into your city your ownership. It's a it's a come together moment. Believe me, we're speaking with great dig for meal about the Super Bowl past and present. And this remarkable patriots run since the beginning of the century. And so much has been said about it so much has been written about it genius Bill. Bella check the genius of Tom Brady. Did you ever think in this day and age with the way that the league has been built upon a foundation a perpetuating parody that we would see such consistent excellence ever from franchise. The way we have seen for last seventeen eighteen years. I wouldn't have bet on it. Tough to do, you know, just you? That's why you have to respect so much. What they have done starting with the ownership. And then right? There's a leadership. Belching drive the bus. You know, do it. You know, he doesn't call offense. He place he doesn't call the defensive signals. He makes all the decisions on a year round basis. Put him in a situation he sets the tone. You know, his mantra, you know, do the do your job and he holds people responsible for doing their job. And they all know if they don't they're going to be there. So I mean, it's an amazing job of leadership. I think that they're going now to they're nights Super Bowl in this era under Bella check with Brady quarterback. The franchise had been to two Super Bowls previously in the eighties and the nineties. What does it say to you? I find it interesting that they've won five Super Bowls. They've lost three Super Bowls in this era in all of the games have been tight. You would have thought that just by virtue of the odds that one of these games would have been a blow out and they've all been close games. What is? Does it does that tell you about the patriots? And the way this team has been built, you know, just echoing what of already said it just shows outstanding leadership on a year round basis. You know, at shows outstanding Billy evaluate what has to be done after winning it last year or losing last year evaluating what kind of people can fill the void of those that are leaving or those that we wanna leave. You know, I nobody has been as successful. You know, this Bergsten is one four of them. You know, Bill lost one free of they did real well but nobody's done. What Bella check is done in some of those people didn't stay in the league low for a long time after they started winning games. They retired. They went on Bill has stayed in. And obviously Brady has stayed with him and has lost anything. In fact, I think he's gotten better speaking with dick for meal and more important dick when you're are you going to be at the game? Or are you going to be watching it on TV? I'm going to be watching it on TV and in what kind of wine will you be drinking overdrinking for meal? Rosedale block one hundred percent cabernet you can buy online by building for meal lights. And of course. Correct me if I'm wrong, you're a finalist for the hall of fame this year I've been nominated every year, but I have never made the finals. So but you were not among the finalists. Oh, how do you wrap your head around that? I don't understand why you're not in the hall of fame. Well, thank you. That's a nice Cup on that. I don't vote. Okay. And obviously there's people that do folk don't think belong here. So I'm not there. I don't lose any sleep over. I really don't if it happens. Great. If it doesn't I got out of my career National Football League my relationships with my owners, and my players so more than I ever dissipated getting out of my career. So I'm very appreciative of that and respectful of it. If if it ends up putting us in the hall of fame wonderful, it's going to be a lot of people that will go along with me, all my. All my coaches, you know, they're all big part of it. I'm looking forward to trying some of that one hundred percent cabernet sauvignon. Great things about it. Dick for meal, the legendary pro football head coach coach if the chiefs the Rams and the eagles, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us here in the sporting life. You take care go Rams. I'm Jeremy shop, and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN app beginning at six AM eastern time.

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"Now I'm really gambling"

"Previously on the Tony Kornheiser show. What's great is when you actually have the correct shipping label? It's super easy to print things out at home. And then he just go to the post office and he just dump them on the floor. Your time spent billable hours. And the printer costs. Are you losing less or more than one hundred dollars. A shirt at the the Tony Kornheiser show is on now. Shirt situation is so exciting people. Now want the. We don't have shirts. We have about eight. Small shirts slept all. We have people say I'll take fourteen X L. They don't have them. So we're GONNA have to print new ones Leon Harris here. Gary Braun is here. Niger will produce the show. Oh do the news run. The board Michael Kornheiser is in South Carolina. Parts unknown though snow. He's in South Carolina. I hope he's golfing. I hope hope. He's playing golf with his in laws. I hope he's doing that. We're going to start with the news of the show which is of course the clydes we will be clydes on Wednesday clydes of Chevy Chase this this Wednesday like to get a nice crowd cause some more we get a nice crowd the more we go back and then I get to be able to do live stuff it so you know what before I get to what I want to start with. 'cause Leon is here and this is you probably you probably done the news in front of a live audience in your life life though in mostly and uncontrolled studio but hundred on location. You've done it. Yeah I used to host the Let's say Let's see the afternoon show was called At CNN we saw in the Atrium of the CNN center so that'd be live people now. Did you like that. I find I really like it. Did it took awhile to get used to doing. The newscast news is way different because he had screw around with the news. And there's not so much at living in interacting with the audience so much we had there were the only segments of the show where we could enter we were we were designated interact with the audience And so it was almost like they were interfering only. We're trying to actually do a newscast newscasts delivers some sort of information. It turned into more of a just a talk. Show in the round. Sort of thing But you know what you get a different energy you can feed off of the people there and and hopefully fleet gets people who've actually have something fun to contribute and then turns into something really good see. I wouldn't WanNa do news live because news is is constricting and legitimately so this is the news. Yeah you're not saying. Hey what do you think of that but performances gift different. Yeah and performance in front of people is fun I when I went to see comedian. Nate Bar Godsey. The you're talking about it and I really. I was really good. I hear him on Sirius. Xm He's really really good. It's all situational. I know that he doesn't curse at all he. He takes something that happened in his life and makes it tremendously funny and I watched and I thought that's. That's it's just our rate if you're going to do comedy you can't do it alone student. You really have Tony. Many people are asking and by that I mean. I'm curious As well as Wednesday's show and I asked this for planning purposes will it is the intention to do a show that went in two weeks Wednesday before thanksgiving. Yeah because I think a lot of people would come off big big show that would let me get to let me get to what I consider the lead story in sports Over the last few days and then that's that's the Lsu Alabama gave me. I saw every play of the LSU Alabama game. There were two different points in it in which I said out loud and there were about three hundred people in the room. I said out loud if Joe Borough makes this play. He wins the heisman and he made both now those plays. He's the the real deal. Joe Borough and Alabama and and Lsu then you gotta remember these teams normally when they play one team gets. It's nothing and the other team gets thirteen They had a classic nine to six game about eight years ago. They don't it's not explosive because LSU's never had a real quarterback and Alabama is very content to run the ball most of the time before to a very content to run the ball. What was the final on? This forty six forty-one already at six forty one thousand yards so unlike their games. And so what I would say I I'll ask you and we'll do Minnesota Penn state as as well ask you Alabama Loses Alabama loses at home But Alabama in the second half is Alabama. Yeah certainly offensively ably is Alabama and their quarterback is eighty percent. Maybe he was rusty in the first half. Do you drop Alabama out of of the playoffs as a result of Louis. They can't play in the SEC championship. Now Leon do you drop them out and you still hold a spot for him. I don't know considering the fact. That clemson's is still undefeated undefeated. Aaron you you. You've got to put Clinton so happy in his in the big. Ten champion is in parts of who these people are innocent. And if Clemson and goes undefeated there in one spot do you bounce Alabama because they lost at home. LSU And in a game that you couldn't take your eyes is off at this point you would be bouncing them therefore a one loss team which they are less like Baylor or something. Jailers Taylor will maybe but dealers program people die in right so so I mean. That's a factor actor. Yeah right it's not like it's not like you're bouncing them to award a a Minnesota team. That's gone undefeated but somehow didn't get in. I mean obviously if they're going to feed it right because the big attention deficit right it could be. If Minnesota Beats Ohio state. You would have Ohio state with one loss Alabama with one loss. And you'd say well. What do we do here so I don't know what that's a tough one? And there really is Minnesota beating Penn state surprise me. We'll buy at that correct. Well not surprised. What did I tell you? Got It all we okay. Last time I was here Penn state almost Michigan on a white out night. That's right they came down to the last drop. The past. The past they tied Michigan should have won that game. That was in Happy Happy Valley. I mean Tony The I'm looking at the current. Ap Top twenty five is the AP. This is different. Sitting Room is not that they dropped Alabama four right so got Alabama still ahead of the pack twelve teams still ahead of Oklahoma so you got LSU Osu Clemson Alabama Then you've got Georgia well that's GONNA wreck play itself out George. Lsu Than Sixes Oregon. Seven is Minnesota. So that's you can swap them with Ohio state presumably. I believe and I don't think you put maybe given the nature of the game. Who knows I don't think he would put a big ten loser in over in Alabama Emma boy at Amazon? Se Loser at that point what you're crushes. LSU Alabama has no chance weirdly playing that game. There's there's GonNa be. They would meet out. They would be at the at the Joe in Georgia and so after Georgia Oregon Minnesota five six seven. Then you're Utah Penn State Oklahoma. Now Oklahoma killed its chances when it lost the Kansas State. What did you think of the ministered Penn State was? That was a great game research in College Games They lived lived up to its billing. Minnesota I gotTa Give Give Your Boy Wilpon credit. He called this one now now Minnesota. But again I knew Penn state I anything Penn state was was the strongest but a lot of people think only because the endgame that game a Happy Valley on a white out night. That's like the most you know. That's the most. Spirited spirited audit crowd. They'll ever play. But I would tell you. Almost lost states loss at Minnesota may be better than Alabama losing at home to Lsu well Minnesota by the way Jeff Ma had them both at both under before we crown them Minnesota. Now heading to two twenty three Iowa. That's right you know. They're they're they. I'm for a let down there so so you have that on Saturday and you watch. If you are a sports fan you watch those to gain absolutely then on Sunday if you sit down in front of the Red Zone and you watch the one o'clock clock games and the four o'clock games you have. I believe it is six fabulous. Finishes that go all the way deep to the end of the bunch down by the way. I'm sorry just to close the loop that Minnesota Iowa game. Yeah I looked up the line Iowa early three point favorite people don't believe in Minnesota they don't believe So so you have and gladly honest here the browns the bills. That's that's a tremendously exciting game. Why'd left and left Baker Mayfield? It was really good. It was good when he had to be really good now. He targeted Odell Beckham. Five times for fifty seven yards and the bills get stephen hoste who had seattle. The atoll was the best kicker on foot and he misses to Yep and he misses the one at the last one ascended tied it up but he's not willing to know what did you. I'm sure you I was watching well now because I don't have the the NFL package any longer. So you read like Red Zone just got a chance to see Stip it's some of the plays I gotTA give him credit. This Guy Baker Mayfield came back the last night. It was like what thirteen plays or something crazy like that. His Co. I he he he listened to the criticism guy from last week and he actually took an heart and he put it together. Put put together a really good game and I hate that. It came down to them missing for us to actually squeak out a win but we'll take it. How about Tennessee and Kansas City? That was a great this guy. Yeah he's probably the best goal kicker in a game right now and his kick is blocked. Yes arrate play. We'll bond was screaming. You can't bench Marcus Mariota Marcus. Who Tannehill was no good in Miami? He was very good. Derrick Henry beheaded guy runs for two hundred and makes Henry is a beast. And that's a great game to watch mahomes ridiculous he's Fan. I mean the video game numbers from that Dude. You don't WANNA see Tampa Bay and Arizona Button. But it's great pilot Mauri throws their throws a pick late and Jameis Winston who you are so ready to bench at any point. Jameis Winston goes down the field and Tampa Bay wins that game the bears and the Lions not a lot of scoring but it comes down to the end some guy. I didn't know that Matthew Stafford was hurt Matthew I Jeff Drizzle Who is Jeff Driscoll Matt Stafford. I don't think Mister Start. Since twenty ten a sneaky law streak in his back was bothering learn and they went to look bones broken bones in his back and smacking his three one two three weeks. They say this Guy Driscoll and and to Bisky was good he had touchdown. ps as he was good and Detroit almost one night and the packers and the panthers the best. Yeah that's the best one. Yes the snowing. Missile football seasons where it snows. You cannot take your eyes off if the game now. Although the packers got lucky got away with refereeing was a little suspect in that one that roughing the passer call on I can't think of the guy's name Lou who didn't even land on Rogers in the end zone that killed that drive was over and in fact watchers ground that that should have been called grounding but Carolina was saved by referee calls two or three times that kept drives alive. You know you cannot. It's crazy to single out. One referee against once one team. Because you're getting these things all the time that play comes down and they get extra life in that particular series as Kyle Allen is Martin Carolina down down in the snow handed to the best running. Well wanted to have free comes with insulin. What three inches in my twenty s post the the main camp? It looked like seventy three through. You realize there was like I guess. The left guard under Obama SORTA held them up. These games are tremendous combining game but as stunning result was the falcons without asking to New Orleans. New Orleans punk in the saints and I gotTa Tell You something. I've been to a few Falcons Saints Games as throughout the record you throughout the record. That's a real rivalry. They really hate each other man. And and the Falcons went into New Orleans inhabitants curry football fan. You had a great time. You didn't mention Lamar Jackson. Yeah okay well well. We'll get him later in the show but he's a total thought. Aw and well as long as you bring up I will say this one thing and people can choose not to remember the reality of this if they want but at this time last year her through. Eight or nine games when the Mark Jackson had not yet begun to start or maybe a little bit earlier than that there was widespread talk. Not even speculative relative. Talk convincing talk. John Harbaugh was alright. Yeah nobody was listen remember anymore and then John Harbaugh did this gutsy thing he said you know what I'm going with this kid. Yeah I'm I've seen them enough in practice FLACCO cert- I'm never going back to FLACCO. And now John Harbaugh's was hailed as a genius. Yeah we'll change the tire nature of the team of the offense. At least you what do you tell your your your linemen that we're not going to block a block differently now. Yeah we got a guy who runs the ball. We're not gonna go backwards to block. Now we're GONNA go front words`deadlock to open something up for him and this guy runs like he's playing. He's in a video game. Silly silly the moves he put on that that one play the keyboarding overdose on on I. I wouldn't take a break. We have no idea what we'll do when we return to something. We're here. I'm Tony Kornheiser. You'll listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. This is the borough furniture Ed and I'll just read it says please personalized budgets. Read it for a second guys. You know what the best part of fall is right. I don't even need to say it. Football's back that's it's actually said suppose coming back Carr's written in July but I missed changing. I know I'm personally going to be glued to my couch all season. Yes yes like. I was on Saturday and Sunday. If you are to. You gotTa Glue yourself to the Best S. couch out there borough named after Joe Torre I'm sure. LSU As one hundred. He's won the high-speed after wheelbarrow with hours of couch time on your schedule. 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On television I watch the Minnesota Penn state game will had that one correct and I watched the Lsu Alabama game which I assume got a monster Mr rating around the country and and I guess my first question is I noticed in the AP poll and the coaches poll today and these are not the same and they don't have the same impact as the you know the twelve people in a room poll which really has direct impact on the playoff but Alabama. It was only dropped to four Alabama lost at home but they played a great second. Half and that game was a thrilling game. Do you think chuck that Alabama Obama is out of the playoffs or still a reasonable contender as the fourth team. A one loss team. Oh Oh I think when the game ended I thought they were out of the playoffs and then as I started thinking about it more through the evening I decided that they're still very much in in it because none of us can figure out who really I think. The committee should leave that. Four spot blink. Nobody belongs and here's what we know. We know the big ten champ is going to get in right now. Not necessarily. That's a -sarily really we know the SEC. Champion definitely get in we do and we know if Clemson is undefeated they get in because they're defending national champions and undefeated well that's the surest Clemson is. Yeah the surest pick right so you sates so the big ten champions think if it is an undefeated minutes I guess yes. You think it's a one loss team. Then right right right. I think if the big ten champion is undefeated than that they will be right right. What can you see going the other way? You could see Minnesota losing and then beating Ohio State. Well Minnesota has to play at Iowa this week and I think that's a tough spot right coming right off this big high and You know I have a harder time seeing Ohio state losing it all before before December eight. So I'm going to say that at Ohio state will will be unbeaten and we'll be in the playoffs. So that's what I think so it comes down to then a one loss team. What I said earlier in the show is if Georgia were to crush? LSU Less you Alabama's out Alabama's out 'cause LSU would look bad and they would still unbeaten Alabama at Alabama but if Lsu were to be Georgia Georgia why would you put a pack twelve team in. Nobody really believes that. The PAC twelve is as good as Alabama do that. No they don't and that Oregon Alabama argument if it came down to that or if you can imagine a Utah Alabama argument that would that would start to have all those factors is that people talk about of and came into play two years ago. Where that's where we're talking? The image of Alabama is going to carry a lot in that in that situation. Does it help. I mean it's a television show does Alabama help or do people look around and do they say I'm tired of all of the Southern schools and I'm out I'm out I I've started to wonder about this. especially with the Alabama Clemson Games now now four years in a row and the coaches shaking hands at the end and saint see you next year. You know this. I think that's what Davos said one time you know. I'm starting to wonder if this is. I think if it had an effect would take a while to get there but I started to wonder if a as the years go by I mean the sports going to become more and more regional and then and then if we start talking about participation continuing to drop in some places but not in the southeast and not in Texas and so on then I start to wonder. Does this game one hundred years from now become just this little regional thing. See My push back to. That would be four years in a row. Golden State Played Cleveland in the NBA Finals. The rating stayed high and even grew a little bit because the familiar familiarity with great players players like durant and curry and Lebron Stars. So yes so. Nobody got angry that but I I I tend to agree with you that that people in the North East or people in the West are going to say. I'm tired of watching southern schools banging each other's heads in. Yeah and I think the the word there is familiarity which doesn't really happen in the same way in college sports. You know 'cause they come and go. Yeah and now they come and go faster than they used to. And so yeah I think I think well I. I think you know when when the committee sits there and and then you're talking about a TV show. I want if I'm watching a TV show. I WANNA see tongue tongue. Allow Vilo AH in it. I can spell it okay. That's why on TV. We just say to. We don't even take a shot at uh-huh I even. I even went to that little clip. He has where he teaches us how to pronounce it. And I still couldn't get it right but Yeah I WANNA see him on. TV You know so. So he is a familiar of familiar actor in this. And I and I wanNA see him and I wonder if that comes into play is southern cases in there the the case I make for Alabama is is that is that Okay Alabama lost at home to Lsu but Lsu looks like if not the number one team in the country one or two with the Ohio state and the second half Alabama played like Alabama and my best player was not one hundred percent and we almost won the game and I wonder wonder if that's persuasive against the likes of either Utah Oregon or Oklahoma which you know lost inexplicably to me at at Kansas State or simply God. Help US Baylor. If they're undefeated. Nobody's GONNA walk out Baylor are they. No no IT'S GONNA. Yeah that's GONNA I. I mean if if we had an undefeated Baylor and a once beaten Alabama and Baylor. Wh that would have meant Baylor had won the big twelve title game. Then yeah I guess Baylor would get in at the. I think I think they would at that. There'd be a real outcry if they didn't. I don't think that's going to happen but I mean I think the most interesting is the one you brought up. which is it's very easy to see? Lsu Getting to the SEC title game at twelve or no and then Kirby smart figuring out a way Eh kind of derail that offense a little bit and Georgia winning that and then and then we have you have to put Lsu and ahead of Alabama. You'd have to do uh-huh yes they beat a minute. Oh yes you have to. Yeah I remember so. I'm watching the game and I'm looking. And they show save on the sideline and they show order on the sideline and I say to nobody in particular. Who Do you really think is GonNa win? This was going to. Do you agree with me. That borough won the Heisman in that game. Oh Oh boy Yeah I think I think two things with that. I think he's still has to. You know play well. They have a and M. at home. I'm they've ole miss on the road and they have Arkansas so I think he still has to play well but I think he will because I just think he's so he's just that kind of guy who's who's not not gonNA He's just not GonNa let this thing. Be Get so woozy over this big victory that he's he's not going to to do the same thing he does every week. I just think he's that kind of guy so yeah I'll say yes. And he was fantastic. He was I was. I was surprised. I thought Alabama would do something you know. I mean I I was borough was better than I thought he was going to be. And certainly better than any. LSU quarterback I've seen in the last fifteen years and much better. And I got. I got a text last night from his a father because I sent him a text to thank him for helping me with the story and the father will be back and said that he was surprised. He's still surprised at something. So you know I think I think that was universal. Feeling I get you Outta here on this. And it's the thing that concerns me. Most I look at the. AP Poll I look at the coaches poll and they seem to be radically different. I'm from the people in the committee radically different and I wonder why that is. I know in the six years the first time I've seen this radically different. Of course I've said for a long time. The coaches don't know football as well as the reporters do so they shouldn't you know their votes should not be taken seriously but the This is I don't know I think it's it's the way it was built this year with the preseason and And what the what the perceptions were and how they built over the season the first two months and then you get to the committee who looks at none of that they don't take any of the preseason rankings into account and it it seems a little bit you know built that way. Minnesota was very low last week. Seventeen or something. Yeah yeah that seems I mean I'm sure there are so obviously going to move up but they were preposterously low to me and the most interesting thing tomorrow night. Yeah how. How high will they go? That show I said did this on the air. That show was great last week. In between the Basketball Games there was great. It was quick because they they they were. They've got right yeah. It didn't stretch out this junk. And now we'll show you. The last five is really good. Thank you chuck appreciate your time. Thanks very much thank you so much. He's a great writer. If you read them in the Washington Post season absolutely great writer. We'll take a break. We'll come back with news. I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser the show this is sent to us from Mark Butler. Who writes I was inspired to send him some music after hearing local artist Jessica Mitchell on the show the other day and Jessica Mitchell is a local artist in his Nando? 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One hundred show dot com three degrees in Little Rock Arkansas. Tomorrow little polar or express going. Yeah I saw roker this morning You know the today show if they don't have like a sexy murder or impeachment lead with bad writer and I was saying how everybody by Wednesday is GonNa get crushed including us. We're going to be in the high teens and twenties by Wednesday so but but it'll go away in a couple of days back in the day we know is supposed to get tomorrow. Is Is KIP. Initial prognosis of two to four. Does that look plausible fight or two to four inches tomorrow. Tomorrow is the WEATHERMAN. No accumulation some wet flakes. Late is what I'm hearing on the credit. I'm sure you're Nice citizen friendly frontally and I'm sure. The camera will milk this role. As a matter of fact I've different episodes between six and all day. Today is his big day. He's revealing his winter weather. The forecast is his winter. Weather Outlook is today at four on those four. So this is what is your voice. He's on you know he's on a lot whether people became stars when sports went away. When it went national weather people became stars? And you know what and I I'm good with that. All the research shows there are more folks like you the not out there when the weather any kind of weather whether shows up people paying attention. That's the most that's the highest rate the segment of the show. It's like an NF by the way on the today show if they go to our early. He's he's always quick to say and thank you for making us your place for weather. I I in the day and he he does that and then he puts on some pair of glasses or yellow red or whatever as he hangs on desperately on we all hang on let alone. What do you have for new? I'm Tony I like rock. Yeah I have a picture of you in and show name Monday night. Football Situations Airport right. Yeah it was a great big hanging. We don't roker like me went to state school in New York he went to Oswego Yeah and I went to Binghamton Dude. Yes these Alabama. I believe right into a school. Yes he did. Did he ever amount to much nemeth. It's hard to say track of them. you mentioned Binghamton not not great not great start of the season for the colonials. They drop a close one to Michigan. State close being one hundred forty seven. Woo Hoo right side. They scored more than thirty four. I understand why we play Michigan state because it's money for us. Yes yet funds. They give us a guarantee that funds are athletic program. That's the whole year. There was tragedy in this game too. No Cash Winston who is considered to be one of the Great Point Guards in America the Michigan State player. His brother was killed the day before in a railroad accident on hit by an Amtrak train. Green so cash Winston went out there as they all did with heavy hearts on And it's you know the score a hundred on being. Let's not get nuts about this but I don't know I mean I get why we're scheduling them but I'm not honestly sure we should be scheduling Michigan State and went into the game as the number one team in the country right. They're not going to again. I will point out scored forty seven or one last week with forty eight. You're close. That is true right back to football. Mr Tony talked talked about it in the show opened some other matches that you may have wanted to talk about did you. Did you own games or do you call them games over here. Our Football is oh. It's funny how you want to talk about. Let's talk about Atlanta over the saints. Where do brees is sacked six times where Dan Quinn probably keeps his job? Yes yes so the rest of the year and then I wouldn't say it's a candidate for the biggest upset of the year. I would also say that Cleveland beating Baltimore in Baltimore by one. Hundred points is a candidate for. But you don't see this one coming no not at all they were thirteen and a half point underdogs and Jeff. Ma had that one jeff went four and one skiff mas in the last two weeks now Jeff Ma picks his own games and we force Chuck Todd into the Games we pick and chuck had his fourth straight losing week. He's under five hundred new shock. The monkey I believe monkey was one into one in one I thought he was three. And now the jets the monkey we go. Let me look up the Monkey. I thought I thought the monkey very well. I thought he had Oakland. I thought he had Oakland Cleveland and the jets chargers and he lost. Oh we did lose that one yet. Cleveland and he pushed and he had the jets and he won for as an for. The monkey didn't officially released them. Yeah no ram St Louis Rams go into Pittsburgh and lose seventeen to twelve mason in their opening game played New England farm not mistaken and lost like thirty eight three. Yeah something really early in their next Game Ben Rothlisberger was hurt and they we looked at the steelers. And we said there's Susan is done and about three weeks into their season being done. There was a big story about how Dan Snyder was going to. Target Mike Tomlin to become the coach in Washington and both will bond an eye on. PTI said over with the air. Why would he do that? What what amount of money would make him do that? And I guess there is amount of money and there were like corollary things like. He was born in in Virginia and he went to William and Mary and they train in Richmond and his son plays football for a Virginia School. And and why this would work out and still we looked at each other and we said what are you not now. You don't leave the Rooney's if they don't fire you now you don't leave the Rooney's then for really this at that point. Four point I believe even Mason Rudolph was then out if you remember. He got that that Sarah Concussion. I don't even remember the name and now they've one four in a row now. They're five and four and Rudolf. Looks pretty good without rothlisburger now without Levian Bill Without Antonio Brown at some point somebody and and it's not like Mike Tomlin doesn't get praised because he's been praised a lot. Some point you stand up and you say that guy must know what he's doing that guy must know what he's doing that game. He had lost the team member that was found lost all the way to five and four game that game. The rams pulled a lot a bad trick plays that did not work. They had the ball going down the field and to win. At the end and Goths Goth was picked blowing up in me on golf was picked. Gov doesn't look great no. He doesn't look great but that game was thrilling. Right Fitzpatrick showed a big. Did He have to I forget to pick up. Anybody criticized that trade very said. What is Pittsburgh doing? Kevin away number one now for what are they need this guy for his al.. He's he's going to be in the pro bowl and he's got five interceptions since he's come into Pittsburgh something like that is a browns fan. I hate to give the steelers any credit. They deserve I have to give him credit here based organization. I knows what the hell. They're Dylan's Thursday night. Yeah now shroud steelers. There's a good one to Miami. Gordon came to we. No no idea. All right it's either. Yeah Pixel Pittsburgh and Cleveland of somewhere in the Mid West London game on Thursday night You said that was one of the game. I'm sorry that you wanted to talk That game by the way Thursday night game is at Cleveland in the dog pound Minnesota Dallas. I wanted to talk about because I remember number saying what we did this on. PTI WE'LL BOND PICK DALLAS. And I said look what. Dallas is good at Minnesota's better at You Love Ezekiel Elliott. You should. He's Great Donovan. Alvin Creator Right now right now love Dak Prescott you should. He's great kirk cousins in the last five weeks is better right now. You'll love the Dallas defense. It's fifth in points allowed Minnesota's fourth and Minnesota stifled Ezekiel Elliott and Minnesota one. That GONNA Minnesota doesn't often beat winning teams. That's the curse of Kirk. Kurt cousins up your accident twin cousin what he was to ten I and two and ten or to ten and one As a starter in Minnesota against teams with winning records this is on the road against a team with a winning record and and I think attention needs to be paid to Minnesota. I don't do I love Minnesota. No but they they have in the last five weeks. They've won some games. Let game actually lived up to the billing this in fact this weekend pretty much every game. Now I gotta go by the. NFL cannot criticize the way. Miami Dolphins now two more wins in November than the Patriots. So they're closing that gap right. Yeah the and and the Redskins didn't lose this week and you wanted to talk about. Lamar Jackson Awesome Mark Jackson I know it's of course it was the bengals scoring was a forty nine. They scored on on the Bengals P. They scored I think the I th replace replace three place. Where they got the first touchdown he is this guy he is? I think changing the conversation about what a quarterback is in the league right now and and I'm having a tough time in my head right now deciding who's the MVP's at him were Christian. McCaffrey I was giving it to McCaffrey really so wait wait wait. So why Why do you think he's is not Robert Griffin? Why do you think he won't get knocked out at some point running like because he doesn't take a hit? You saw that that video game move that he made that play where he made three moves griffin was fast. He was straight lines beyond track fast. Wrap this do you miss. This guy's sneaking season they had played griffin was involved in a big play. They had one play where they had three heisman. Winners they'll say finning ingram and earn Griffin action but Lamar Jackson remember the talk about him was in He can't he can't throw he's just a runner. It's only yeah. I don't know how you win the Heisman. If you can't throw I thought he could throw this all right. Ah He was great as he can throw can throw he can run. He's he is everything. There's nothing he can't do I don't know if he's going to really make the issue. Okay but before you get too carried away now because I watched this on TV last week I watched a person who will be nameless saying that. Lamar Jackson was by far. Are the best quarterback in the league. Hold on a second sparky about Patrick Mahomes. Who can do everything that Lamar Jackson can do? And won the MVP and can throw so it further and better 'cause he can stand there and throw it seventy yards. He's got he's got more weapons to work with yes which to me? I give me makes me give Lamar Jackson even credit. Because he doesn't have the same same argument you make about You know about Brady not having receivers. Everybody in the world knows and he's able to do what he does If you look the chiefs will win the chiefs. Have One without Mohammad. Be Behind Center. You think I think the brains can win without without no now with Grenell. He's he's Def definitely more than the most valuable player right now. Because it's fair to me. He is because this guy he he can do. If he's every single phase of the game that you can you can praise Mahomes for Jackson might give you another guy too. Because he's on tonight. That game tonight is very attractive. Satellite Forty nine. Yeah since having great twenty one and one yeah storms have touched hard to argue. That aren't argue. Zev Inception gave up. I believe was to the Baltimore Ravens. I think it was a pick six and the game. What else going into match Great start to the season for the heat's dion waiters. Mr Tony Tony. He was he was just. He was suspended at the beginning of the season contract conduct detrimental to the team as he complained about his new role with the heat moving forward his new role all his role. As you sit on the bench. Yeah well apparently. He's also get another butlers on that team. So you don't need dion waiters now The way it is other role is to get on an airplane rain and take a THC infused gummy edible from a teammate. And then have a panic attack which calls into hospitalized briefly after the game and now he's been suspended and a ten games without pay so with he's not long for the Miami Heat and you've got to find out who the teammate is. Who gave him Labor to him? Yes but you can't can't. This is not a good loss duck detrimental to himself. which is what they should be? He's twenty five million dollars for the rest of the season lose. Only one point two million dollar bonus that would have gotten if he'd played in a certain amount of gain. The expensive couldn't it. There was one point. Two million one And exciting news on the toy front. Mr Tony The two thousand Nineteen Class Hall of fame class for the toy hall of fame has been announced and it is always a big day at the Tony Kornheiser show yes. Matchbox cars get in magic the gathering. What what does that? What does that that was a board game together card game game? Fantasy never heard of it and coloring book. How could coloring? How's that not in? Well it's one of those great. Oh yes what was left out from. The finalists. Include Cabras the Fisher Price Corn Papa. You know it's like the mowing. That's like a so. That was a that was a finalist. Yes Jacoby Attrition Joe Jacobi. I'll be also left out of this. It'll be Chinga was left out. You know the bill with the strings on masters of the universe he man and the masters the universe my little pony the the NERF blaster which I think is sort of gone the nerve gun the game risk which I think is also a huge oversight should be in The smartphone which we all agreed agreed. Toy It's stupid and top spinning top drill. Yeah it's been around for a while in reading straight around for thousands of years right one would think that that should be and yet. It's still not in now. If you go back far enough was like yes soccer ball yes were New York. Shakespeare doesn't hurt. I mentioned one another story that I wanted to deal with. Yes please Because we talked about college football. How about the rise and fall of the Maryland program? Oh my God did you Komo. I didn't watch that game. I was watching the Soda Game. No so what was it. Seventy four to seventy nine seventy three seventy I seventy three fourteen they. They scored on just about every three five numbers early in the second. This was clearly payback because Maryland almost should beat them last year. Yeah God dropped the pass in the end zone. That would have won the game so I think this was a lot of states. They had an inside kick started out. Beaten Howard four deaths and then he beat Syracuse Four Thousand Tan. How's it been since since? Then what's how's it work not so well. Those people the Mike Michael Oxley era has an exactly taken off in the way you thought it might know yet not yet. The buckeyes had an onside kick win. They're up like you find that it. It was the most remarkable thing they got all the way on the other side of the field in the the Buckeye runs down and just catches it was it was it was it was brilliant alien. And you're like wow I guess it just they just WanNa show them where where the food shot really is on this. We're up twenty eight and we're doing onside kick. Yeah I don't know that you should do. And then of course because they didn't they do that without chase young who's been suspended for at least one game for accepting chase down to play again. No He's going right to the pros. Yeah he's he's you going to do what they say on. My show does say cut want to see him play. It's Michigan wait. He accepted money from an agent. Was it an agent family family. I read he met that week. He's not coming back. I'm sorry neither is Joseph Wiseman from Memphis. The basketball player Hardaway gave his family. Eleven thousand dollars. Coach he's GonNa end up at Memphis can't do this. You can't do the I mean people scream about the NCAA pretty obvious stuff. These additional benefits benefits that. Everybody knows this. Is You know he's really good. That'd be fun to play. He's going to play Sunday. I just wanted to see him. Play play on Sunday. I didn't work out for Nick. Bosa pretty well look like does he look like the rookie of the year because he does does chase young. We'll be the rookie. 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That wasn't that we read read this about his relationship with Jane Asher which is this four McCartney doing yeah which is not going particularly well at that point. So what's interesting about. That is his Jane Asher his his older brother. Peter Asher who was Peter. Peter and Gordon ended up when the Apple Studios reformed ended up producing all the stuff. I believe he's produce sweet baby. Be James Yes James. Taylor's first album. Yes Peter Asher state in the music business forever and ever and ever so as Paul McCoy finally saw that movie yesterday. Did you ever have you I I saw a plane. Last week it was a nice diversion grant music. Of course it doesn't rise the great as you wanted to being now but it's still very yes so I I wanted to mention that everyone who's of a certain age under a certain age Will have a holiday today for Veterans Day. Okay and banks will be closed and you trash won't be picked up and so on and so forth but if you're my age you precede Veterans Day by a lot of years and you remember when you were a young. This was called Armistice Day and it was always November eleventh. It's it's coincidental that it's being celebrated on November Eleven Mondays outdid. Yeah second Monday. And that's because on the eleventh hour of the Eleventh Day of the eleventh month and World War One was over and so everything was was that and I don't know when it went to Veterans Veterans Day. I'd probably after the Viet Vietnam I think. Or maybe after Korea But I know as a kid. This was armistice day and you we always talked about it in those terms and it was about World War One and then it was expanded through Veterans Day to include all military conflicts. Post World War One nine need fifty four okay so okay so I am old enough to remember when it was Armistice Day I think it was a holiday. They just changed the name of it to veterans stay so that would involve the the Korean War would have been fought Karinna was I think he's actually. I think it was over was on the. Yeah it's fifty three now thinking into new so so there are two stories. I just wanted to talk about briefly. A one is a personal story and and one is sort of personal. And there's a story in the Washington Post today about a a sort of killer disease in the citrus groves in Florida terrifying that are taking out. All all of the trees All of the trees so that there will not be an orange tree left in Florida or grapefruit tree left in in Florida. The limes grow on trees. Lemons grow on trees correct the citrus groves that for a million years defined what Florida Arta was Florida was inhospitable to live because it was so hot and and they had huge tracts of land devoted to citrus growing. And I think most people. I'm going to describe an experience that I had when I was a teenager and I don't think it's much different than other people who are. Let's say fifty and up. If you ever drove to Florida you drove down. Ninety five Is the only way to get the Florida from the East Coast. Drove Down Ninety five when he got into Florida. And get into Florida around the Jacksonville area. They welcome in with orange juice. They have those those welcome senators and they gave you free orange juice. Because they're shaking their moneymaker right. This is what Florida did when you left. If you're in if you're in a car when you left Florida you always bought a wooden crate of orange. Everybody did this. They bought the they brought the coconut paddies back and the wooden crate of oranges back. Can You associated in your mind's eye all orange juice. I mean I didn't start drinking grapefruit juice till I was much older but you associated citrus products all citrus with Florida. There's the I to this day by Florida's finest that's the brand name grapefruit juice if it sat available. The Refugee Safeway would rarely is eighty seven rows of orange juice but no on route and packaged in Wa Hawkin. You know what's what's going to happen when they're dead they you don't get them back in an hour. Now they say without science coming to the rescue you could lose all all fresh citrus in ten to fifteen. Let's meet seventy five. I'll be gone. Seventy five percent of the as you said the same thing about bananas. A AH fungus bananas end up going to South America which will produce Mexico or Mexico? Yes they'll produce all of these things but what happens happens to the people who've had citrus farms in Florida for generations. I mean that you can count on it and I'm not even talking about the money as an American child growing up and that's where the juices came from what happens to all these people and what do they do. I don't know what happened to open up w plant what they do. Have it at the Kodak people people what happens. Yeah what sears people I mean I wonder how much of that is is the fault of Science. You know they do so much genetic. Oh and manipulating with with these with these plants as they did with the bananas and backfired on them. Because what happened is the B- became they disease. Resist the disease. Yeah yeah well the diseases and the viruses out there the bacteria they adjusted smart because they've been higher believe I've said it before I will say it again. Take Mother Nature and time now the company that was handling oldest. That wasn't you north. Was it no from from that. uh-huh towards including movie. I wanted to just one joke to My daughter now lives in South Jersey in an in the Atlantic City area and and I drove there and this is a hike. You know this is three and a half to four hours. This is a hike. You go up ninety five to the Delaware Memorial Bridge. Then you get on route forty and that's a one lane road for about seventy miles. I'M NOT GONNA go into great detail although it is surprising. There's no gas station on the right about three miles down the left area. My scream staff about Santa Miles into route forty going south or actually east. They say it's forty east. There's something called cow town. Yep in New Jersey where they have Rodeos Rodeo Rodeos in you. Don't associate New Jersey Rodeo cowboy right out front and so anyway. That's that's a landmark but it takes about the three and a half hours It's the last seventy miles from me. Were pleasant but one lane ninety five terrifying. It's terrifying and ah you know and I went and there was no particular crashes. It wasn't heavy traffic when I came back yesterday morning. I left at six in the morning. I I won't even go into the place I stayed and a why would I mean he. He means literally he will not go into it anyway. One bathroom bathrobe go. Yeah so so. I've got I've got a car I- I leased a BMW. I'd never had a BMW before and at least it from BMW. Fairfax because Jackie Walker. WHO's one of the makeup people at? ESPN her brother. Mike who is the general manager of BMW. Fairfax and I like the car. I'm not I on both on their twain on the road ahead one for ten years. I'm happy with this car. It's an X. Three. I'm happy with it but I don't know about the rest of you. People are so I will ask. I don't trust my gas gauge to give me an accurate reading of how many miles are left to me because my experience with a bunch of cars was once it gets under half way. It goes really really quickly. What what kind of car do you drive now Well I have a Mercedes and and how is your. Do you trust your gas gauge Yeah does it give it give you the number of what's left. How many miles does it does how you're driving speed? I understand where you're going because there are some times where when I can't understand is how it changes ages. I'll park the car and get a different number that go out versus what I saw when I went ahead does happen which everybody knows I love and I had a lexus and I always always felt while I'm not sure about this. I'm just not sure about the readout because I when we get under a half and it says two hundred miles he go forty forty in it says. Eighty you know you go. You don't have much. I've I've a Toyota but I find similarly. It's conservative on the low side right which I would prefer. I'd rather have that than say it has eighteen miles and I'm outta gas But I certainly know and I've been driving my car long time when it says zero. I know I've got about a gallon. Alan I this drive is about a hundred and ninety miles. One way that one hundred ninety miles a full tank should get you there in bed just just about right well so I get there and I'm not yet at half and I'm thinking I just went one hundred ninety miles and I'm less than half a tank. I'm not yet at half so now I begin panic I come I do a little bit of drought. So you're afraid it's it's telling you of more than you have at this totally hold okay. I totally believe it. Sandbagging me trying to screw you out of totally getting where you're going to believe. Do Samba almost driving around this area. I go to I go to ocean city which is not to be confused? Ocean city Maryland. They don't like it all Ocean City New Jersey. I and then I'm on my way back and you know about twenty miles in now at half way so I'm thinking to myself. I think I can make it. I believe I can make it to the Maryland House the Maryland House for those of you. Unfamiliar with the geography of. I ninety five as you were going north from Washington. DC or or Baltimore going north towards Philadelphia towards Delaware. The Maryland House is the first one you get to across the Pennsylvania border then in a few miles. No no no no no no no no no no yes right. The next one is the Chesapeake House in about ten or twelve miles. That's right but then there's one in Delaware and by the way I don't know 'cause I've easy I believe this trip cost me two thousand dollars in tolls does yeah. Yeah on my way back. Say All right. I'll go to the Maryland House now. I'm under a half but it still says it says I have two hundred. Twenty miles laughed laughed. I'm only seventy miles from my house by the Maryland House. I don't believe the number so obviously you're not a gambler because you know there's because I would I would look at that and go you know. Let's give it a shot. I mean there's there's not belittling run sticks near there is not believing the number which is fine and understandable. And then there's not thinking that to twenty is GonNa get you seventy. I mean that's like facing the number in the car but I trust you trust every other electronic item in the car except that one. Okay so I get to the Maryland House House. I still have sufficient amount of gas. It says at the Maryland House. I've got like a hundred and sixty or one hundred and eighty which is beyond my comprehension. Kasai already gone gone. Three hundred twenty mile point out though you left home with a full tank. Correct first time you had you driven this car of the beaches. It's about time you. Maybe it's first time you donald driving where it's gonna get better mileage but go ahead. I get to the Maryland House. I pull any pulling left to the Maryland House so last time I can get gas I think for a while unless I go some exit that I don't know where I'm going right and I make this mistake. I don't go into the call I look. I see on a station and I try to get to the gas station and I end up with the big trucks and I ended up in the wrong place and then I can't get back and if I get back I'm going to be facing the other way it. It's going to be too complicated and I make that decision about old people making. I'm going I don't have to be later on so now I'm taking the Leon go now. I'm gambling on the rapids is thirty seven and I go when I go a little golden one hundred and now. I'm relatively close to the beltway and I say oh I'm GonNa make it except except as I'm about to get on the beltway. It says the big crash exit thirty three three left lanes blocked exit thirty. Three's Connecticut Avenue that's my exit. Now I don't know what to do so I get on the beltway and I know I know how to get home Georgia Avenue. I know how to get on New Hampshire. I can do this but we're still moving. We're still moving. I don't understand this at all and I got a hundred miles left and I'm on the beltway now. Ten Miles. I know I'm GonNa make it on your good you. It's still move and we somehow if there is a crash it's beyond where I am and I get down to Connecticut Avenue and I go to that gas station there the giant gas station station. Yeah Yeah and and and is Columbia's only a quarter of a tank. No I only. It's only like twelve and a half gallons that's all takes. WHO's making this car? This car is great. Awesome great twelve and a half thirteen. Gallons gotta be bank thank right. I don't know I don't know we're small probably about long and I'm thinking to myself I love this now. You're the exact opposite of me. I do the exact opposite thing. I take that challenge because usually because on a on a long trip like that. I'm usually getting tired by the time we get down to about an eighth of a tank. Thank and there's nothing. That's more invigorating than thinking. Oh okay all right. Let's go twenty twenty six twenty twenty eight twenty BMW extra full fuel tank capacity. Seventeen point to gal I had. But it's Allen's much mileage which is a because I'm using the good gas. It's good game right right now. I guess it's second grade. It's eighty nine when on the road. Thirty one I I went I honestly went so the three hundred eighty miles on a tank of gas. That's fantastic program height and weight. That's actually a two thousand nineteen but on on the twenty nineteen. It says twenty three in the city and thirty on the highway. But Yeah it's that's that's pretty pretty good. It's really good. You know what when I twenty five twenty five and twenty nine respectively totally cheap a guy like nine city anyway so that was my to the justice. Big Win win come home. I was happy about that. And we'll take a break I was GONNA say you'RE GONNA have to adjust voltage now like how much you have left on the battery when you get Sylla's solicit tesla side ahead. We'll have email in return. I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony. Kornheiser show ship Ligo tender cash. So Swe I'll never let you go but we eh parking homeless stream by Tech Plaza. To- ooh legal tender. I'll stay true. No we'll a bill quarters now MANASOTA ticket. They crew all a fabulous John Fitzpatrick and Orleans sir. Now that the nats finished the fight we can turn back to the truly important stuff like twentieth century. Parking meter technology and Elvis would like to have a word with you. I now carry quarters. That's that's small quarters it's ridiculous. Carry a bag quarters. I would like to be able to figure these things out. Of course I can't Let me thank Chuck Colpepper for coming on the show today. Let me thank our sponsor Citibank and borough furniture remember to listen and subscribe to an archived episodes of the Tony Kornheiser show wherever you listen to podcasts including apple podcast. AWW spotify Google play on radio DOT COM. And if you listen to show through itunes. Please leave us a review from Josh Wilson in Charlotte North Carolina. If I told my boss plus I needed today off do you think I could use load management as an excuse. It seems to work for coach Leonard when he just wants a day to chill Maybe there's a generational divide about out there spot. I don't get this at all. They pay you to play eighty two and if you're GONNA play sixty. I don't think you should get paid as much as for the full eighty two but he wanted to say if you got the ring at the end of a one a champions worth it from Joe Locke I've been enjoying your stuff on. PTI in the podcast for many years now but as a European. I'm from Zurich Switzerland. I cannot understand giving you newsman. Nigel Brit did you forget to mention the Rugby World Cup and the exciting outcome with the victory of the South African Lincoln team called the springboks with one word after all rugby is the source and root of your beloved American football other than that. Keep up the entertaining work on. ESPN and your own show. Especially the intro of unknown music acts. Could I send in from Europe as well. Sure cheers from Lake Zurich Illinois. The real one in Switzerland did you fail to mention the I had failed to mention that. 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Shirt operation really makes you wonder how chatter didn't work out losing money on every shirt I drive engaged Gaithersburg to buy a printer cow packing orders by hand. I mean it sounds like you should be making money hand hand over fist. Kind of fits a pattern. Yeah did you see what happened with Burger. King had some wrong giveaway where it was supposed to be for just one thing but it got processed incorrectly for like like six months cost them one point five million dollars really. Yeah so you feel better. You didn't do that. I think what's going to happen. Is that We're GONNA get so many orders for shirts. It's that we're GONNA have to reprint shirts. That's fine shirt from Aaron. I am writing to announce the birth of my first child May Debra Phillips born October. Twenty second may was born a few weeks early in her parents aren't big people's I won't embarrass her by disclosing. How was at birth but everyone is happy and healthy? I tell my wife I would. 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Not so impressed so Unfortunately you then followed up this opening segment by irrationally railing against DC residents who incorrectly followed protocol at a local major intersection leading. My Wife to sign never mind and close Driza go to sleep. Oh well regardless you welcome may into this world and assure her that her parents are doing your absolute best at making. You're happy these first few weeks. Also if you're reading this on the air it means I got an the male red before my dad foster another longtime little while you may also feel obliged to congratulate him on his first grandchild than I do. I hope this will be followed up with an eat. It foster my best wishes to you and everyone else in the studio offered Jennifer Sam sell. Hi Tony Saturday. November ninth was my husband Jos thirty seventh birthday. He's a huge fan. I'm yours and I thought it'd be cool. If he would give him a birthday. Shout out we went to your restaurant chatter for his birthday last year. 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#267 - When NOTHING is Working...

Change Lives Make Money

14:53 min | 2 weeks ago

#267 - When NOTHING is Working...

"What is my name is brian mark. I'm host to be number one. Podcast for vegas coaches want to make more money changed more people's lives and more of an impact in the world without spending any money on ads websites or even a funnel. Now i built my fitness business over fifty thousand dollars over the course of four years and in the last two years over five hundred on my coaches with their jobs and take their businesses online also fifty of those students over ten k each and every single month. Now thank you so much for being here. Let's get into today's episode. What is going on. Finish coaches mentor. Coming at you with another episode of the change lives. Make money on trying to podcast. This is the number one show for fitness coaches who you're trying to go successful on the business in today's episode. We're going to be talking about this idea of. What do i do if nothing's working. Nothing is working in my coaching business. And it seems like nothing do is making progress. I'm getting frustrated. I'm getting overwhelmed. I'm overworked and i have no idea what i should do before we get into today's episode. I just want to give a huge shout out to somebody that gave me a rating on the podcasts. Somebody said you'll be. Mark is flames. Nothing gets me more fired up and ready to go like you be mark. I love the direct and actionable content. Always ready to g s d. i don't know what. Gst means does anybody know. Gst means i know what that means but i appreciate your ratings so thank you so much to podcast rating. I really appreciate k. So yeah what do we do when nothing's working. And how many of us online coaches feel that way right now. We feel like we're kind of frustrated. It's like we're posting content consistently and we're trying to get ourselves out. We're trying to post on social media but no matter how much we post or how much we put out there. It seems like we just can't get enough people reaching out to us. What do we do if we're trying to generate we're trying to pulling clients but then you know even with all of our legion efforts and all the time we spend on social media trying to get clients to come to us. We feel like we're not getting enough calls booked. What do we do when we get to a point where we're like nothing that i'm doing is working and i just feel like i wanna quit. I just wanna give up. Because i don't really feel like this is going to end up working out for me. What do we do when nothing is working. First thing i want to talk about guys like you're building your online. coaching business. The reason that a lot of people end up failing is because they don't understand that they're building their own business. Like when you're working for somebody else when you're working at ninety five yes you've got this guaranteed income but that guaranteed income also comes with these. It comes with a trap. It comes with like i'm gonna pay fifteen dollars an hour because that's what your life is worth and i'm also going to trap you into this job into this one location and you're gonna be stuck here so in your coaching business. Yes you do have an opportunity to gain freedom but with that opportunity to gain freedom. There's gonna be some adversity that you have to come through and one of those points of adversity is understanding that. There's gonna be some times that you wanna quit. There's going to be some times that you wanna give up. There's gonna be some times where you feel like nothing's working and no matter. How much posting content or how much you lead generating or how many calls you book. You just can't seem to sign clients. This podcast episode is for you if you feel like quitting if you feel like nothing that you're doing is working out this podcast episode is for you because i want to be the voice that tells you that. What if it was just one small adjustment that you made in your business that lead to exponential results. What if it was just one extra posted emit on social media that leads you signing your next client. What if you just needed one more inch in one area of your coaching business. And that one inch was able to be the difference between you making three thousand dollars a month and ten thousand rs month. Now i'm going to talk to you guys about one of my clients. Maverick willett because maverick it before. He adjoined pizzas on the nation. He had his own coaching business and he was doing his own thing. But maverick will. It was making like fifteen hundred dollars to two thousand dollars a month every single month on his own. See maverick willa was posting consistently. He was posting testimonials supposing value-based content but he didn't really have like a content strategy. And he wasn't really sure how to book phone calls once he came into the program. I showed him just one strategy and from one strategy. He was able to make ten thousand dollars in his first thirty days. Now let's talk about sports reference so in football there's a super bowl in the two thousands where in one thousand nine hundred nine. The st louis rams became the super bowl champions and the reason they became the super bowl champions is they held up the tennessee titans by two inches at the tennessee. Titans scored a touchdown in the two thousands. They would have been a super bowl champions but those two inches made the difference with gene. Somebody being a champion and somebody being second-place so we see these reference in sports as well. Let's talk about this book that i like to refer to it. It's called thinking grow rich. It was written by napoleon hill in this book. Napoleon hill talks about the story about being three feet from gold. This analogy comes from a story where there was a young man during the gold rush and he was mining away at a colorado goldmine for months and months and months and he was told that there was the school there and so we kept working. He kept working. He kept working and finally after a few months of working at this mine he just gave up. You just quit like others. No gold here. I give up a quick now. The next minor that came in started digging and that same mind that that guy was digging in three feet. The guy gets three feet and he ends up. Striking gold becomes one of the richest men in history. So we see references all the time and this idea that when nothing is working when nothing is working. It's likely right now on my fitness coach that even though you feel frustrated even though you feel stuck even though you feel like you can't put enough 'cause even though you feel like you're content isn't working even though you feel like your lead generation efforts aren't there. It is very very likely that in your coaching business that it is a very small adjustment that will lead to use striking gold. It is very very likely that there's one or two things that you're doing wrong content strategy and if you fix those one or two things that you would get a lot more clients. It is very likely that if you just wrote content maybe a little bit more targeted towards your avatar or you put just a little bit more social proof on your content strategy that you get more people applying for your program. But so many online fitness coaches. They end up doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. But they're not changing up any sort of strategy. Do you guys understand what i'm saying here. So what. I'm telling you guys right now is if you feel like nothing is working. It's likely that there's a two percent difference that you can make in your coaching businesses. Like a two percent adjustment that you can make in your content strategy that would lead to more clients reaching out to you. Two percent difference. That's pretty much every single coaching. Call that. I'd do for the coaching academy one of the biggest things that i talk about. Is one percent better every single day so every single piece of content that you do you want to be just a little bit better than the last one written would just a little bit more intention. Maybe you spend just a little bit more time studying the core so that the next time you write a piece of content. It's just a little bit better. It's those small inches over time that lead to those big changes but most coaches like struggle. Because they feel like nothing's working and so they'll maybe you're even in a coaching program right now and you feel like nothing's working you watch the videos and you get it but you haven't actually made any judgments to your content strategy. You're just kind of watching the videos and taking them in as arbitrary concepts without applying them. What if it was one small adjustment that you made in your content strategy that led to you getting your next three to five clients. Want to talk about lead generation for a second to because we've got like the content side of it right like making sure that your conscience good but then what if you're getting your in conversations with a bunch of people but you just can't get anyone on the phone call like for some reason. Nobody's into a phone call with you and you feel like no matter how many people you get into. Dm's with nobody wants to jump on a call with you. My invitation for you guys to think about today is what if it was one small change in the way that you presented your. Dm script that led to five more booked calls this week. What if it was one change in the way that you're communicating with your clients that led to five more booked calls this week. Einstein says the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results in coaching business. We do this all the time or like. Oh nothing's working. I'm not signing any clients. I'm not booking any calls but then we look at our dm script and we compare it to what we're supposed to be doing and it's not even close to coaching program that ran. It's not even close to the script. We're just kind of like we're just saying random shit that we think is valuable but isn't in the course that we're learning. What if it was one small change in the way that you communicate with your potential clients that led to five more phone calls booked this week. What if it was just a little bit more. What if you got just a little bit better at your and you were able to book just a couple more phone calls. Let's talk about sales right. Those guys that are struggling was selling clients into your coaching program. Maybe you've actually booked a few phone calls with potential clients but for some reason nobody's taking action. Your program my invitation for you to think about is what if there was a small way that you could change up presenting your offer. That sounded more appealing to your ideal. Client that led to your next two thousand dollars. Client pain you in full. This is something that. I see so often in the way that most people join coaching programs is a lot of people will join a business mentorship program and then they'll watch all the videos once and then they'll think that just because they watched that video once that they completely understand the concept. They'll never go back and revisit it. And then when they struggle with applying said concept they won't ask for feedback or they won't try to change something up. They'll just get discouraged that it's not working but then they're not trying to improve their not trying to get better. They're not trying to evolve. Any sort of coaching program is going to take not only implementing. But also you getting better at implementing. The said thing that you're supposed to be doing like for your clients you guys if you've a fat loss client in your program. And maybe they're doing all their workouts are doing their meal plan but they're only drinking five hundred liters of water a day. That fat loss client isn't going to lose weight and so in the business. Coaching program that you're in right now if you keep doing the same thing over and over again but you're not improving your sales skills and you're not improving your dm's or you're not improving your content. You keep repeating the same process over and over and over again expecting different results. How do you expect to get any better. Now let's talk about client retention for a second because some of guys that are on. My coaches might be a little bit more experienced. You have five ten fifteen clients but for some reason you keep getting clients drop off the program and every single time. Get a client of the program. You don't change your system instead. You complain that kobe. It's happening and everybody's out of work but what if there was a small change in the way that you delivered your program that allowed your clients to get more value and better results and they stuck around for long term. What if every single person that left your program. You made an effort to get one percent better in the way that you delivered your program to your clients because understand what i'm saying here. Everything is within our control. Everything is within control so many people get so frustrated about things not working and instead of using that frustration to work on their business and become better they end up feeling like they wanna quit. But just like the gold rush analogy. If you could be three feet away from golden your coaching business like you could be like a little change. In the way that you communicate with your clients could be the difference between making two thousand dollars a month to ten thousand dollars a month a little bit of a different pitch on the phone call with potential clients could be the difference between you signing your next five clients or signing zero clients at all a little bit of a switch up in the way that you're writing content for your social media could be the difference between ten leads reaching out to you this week zero these reaching out to you this week just a little bit more guys. I get it when you feel like nothing is working when you feel like. You're putting in all this work and you're not getting any are y. I get that. It's frustrating. But i'm here to remind you that when we're talking about sports inches can be the difference between winning the super bowl and losing the super bowl. And when we're talking about like the colorado gold rush. There was one man that was three feet away from gold and he quit right before he was about to strike. Gold my client maverick. Will it wasn't all my fitness coach for three years before he decided to start like two years actually two years before he reached out to me and ask for help and just by reaching out and asking for help in his first month he was able to go from fifteen hundred dollars a month to ten thousand dollars a month because we made one small adjustment in the way he communicated with his clients. Y'all if you're struggling right now when you're frustrated and you feel like nothing's working. I'm here to remind you i just want you to do a little bit more if you're struggling right now and you feel like nothing's working. I want to remind you that. I want you to get one percent better every single day. If you're struggling and you feel like nothing's working. I wanna remind you that it could be a small a tiny like three degree adjustment. In the way that you present your content could be the difference between you getting ten leads this week. Zero leads this week. If you're struggling and you feel like nothing's working a small shift in the way you're communicating in the. Dm's could be the difference between ten calls this week and zero calls this week if you're struggling with signing clients in your online coaching program. I'm here to remind you that a small change in the way that you present your offer could be the difference between someone signing up in paying you thousands of dollars versus somebody hanging up and saying no thank you. If you're getting clients drop off your programme left right and center instead of blaming kobe. External circumstances. I'm telling you that a small shift in the way that you deliver your program to your potential clients could be the difference between clients sticking around for one month or one year. Keep fucking going when you feel like quitting. Do just a little bit more when you feel like quitting push just a little bit more when you feel like giving up. Get just a little bit better. We don't get successful overnight and we don't get successful easily otherwise everybody would do it and so we need to think about what area of your business you really struggling with. The mouse is getting more leads to reach out to you. Maybe you need to improve your content. Just a little bit more is getting phone calls with leeds. Once you're in a conversation with them maybe you need to improve your dm script just a little bit. More is getting sales on the phone. When you're on the phone maybe you need to improve your sales skills just a little bit more. Are you getting clients. Drop off the program when the in the program. Maybe your program delivery just needs to get a little bit better when you feel like quitting. I want to remind you that you just need to go just a little bit more. Sometimes the difference between success and failure is just deciding that you're going to go just a little bit more. Just push a little bit harder last thing. I'm gonna leave you with. Is i remember back. When i was an online fitness coach. I had this mindset of just a little bit more just a little bit more just a little bit more. There was one night where i was up and this was like nine or ten pm up and got a dm from a potential client. And they're like hey. Brian super interested in joining a program. And even though. I was tired in my head. I said to myself just a little bit more. So i stayed up for the next thirty minutes conversing with this potential client. Dm's and they end up signing up. Paid me in full seven hundred fifty dollars for twelve week program because i had this mindset of just a little bit more like yeah. I was nine pm. I shouldn't have been on my phone. I wanted to go to bed. But this client damian. The said they wanted to sign up. So i was just like just a little bit more just a little bit more just a little bit more when you feel like nothing's working. This is your daily reminder from be mark fit to do just a little bit more guys. That's it that's all thank you so much tuning in. This is the change lives. Make money on the train. Podcasting number one show for online finished coaches who are trying to go successful on my business. My goal this podcast is to leave. You charged up. I want you to leave every single podcast feeling fired up and ready to slate your fucking days so if you tuned in and you got value thank you so much for being here. I appreciate you in my gratitude goes out for you. If you've got value from this podcast. One thing that i would appreciate is go to the podcast at scroll all the way to the bottom of the podcast app and you can leave me. A rating on the podcast. You can leave me like star rating and then if you write a review. I'll show your name on the podcast. That is that is all hope. You guys have the best day of your entire life. Keep going to just a little bit more peace on my fitness coach. Thank you so much for tuning in. This is the number one podcast fitness coach. If you're getting value to the podcast and you want them were closely with me and my team to steal your fitness business. Learn how to go online. But i want you to do is go to my instagram. Happy mark fit and d emmy awards ten k. academy. Our mission is to make elite business coaching affordable for every single personal trainer on the market. And we want to give you the tools strategies and tactics. Some of our best clients are using to thrive right now in the training landscape. So go to my graham. 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REShow: John David Washington and Tom Arnold. Hour 3 (09-17-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

55:57 min | 2 months ago

REShow: John David Washington and Tom Arnold. Hour 3 (09-17-20)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one production now available on Apple podcasts I'm Kathleen spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. I just really wanted everyone up to recognize. Is the rich Eisen show the ball to the state police even? Download and podcast at richeisenshow DOT COM possibly be. This happens like all the time. Earlier on the show Ravens, receiver Marquees Brown Pro Football Hall of fame President David Baker Eleven year NFL veteran Joe Thomas Coming up actor John David Washington plus gives median John. And now. Ridge is. Our number three the rich Eisen show is on the air. We've got a couple of actors calling in or comedian actor. Tom. Arnold. An actor right from Leeann allies through is. John David. Washington of tenant will be calling in in a matter of moments here on the show we just had a great chat with Joe Thomas Lots to unpack right there man yeah. He said the same thing on right help. This is A. Although he went high register. This is pretty much is A. Must Win game a week to I didn't go all registered is is. that. I know there's a seven seat out there. You go onto though with both division including one against a team that starts a rookie for the first time in an away game and it is. I know there's only six thousand fans in the stadium tonight, but there are fans. They will be loud as possible. They bark in. They're probably gonNA, have all sorts of swing oil in them to use the phrase. And and they're going to show up and they're gonNA make life difficult for Joe Borrow. They've got a defensive player of the candidates as opposed to wreck his night in the same way that Joey Bosa was part of his afternoon just four days ago. Five days ago. This is it. You can't lose to the team that was first overall starting a rookie quarterback and you've got all of these guys that have made promos or should make provos. That's it. You got to win this game. You don't your own to, and if you went at your one and one union, then your home against the team that did you second overwhelming? Honestly your to your first three games are against teams that picked one and two atop the draft and the other. Is playing without a nickname. All craziness off the field coolest Ron and Ron Rivera. What he did in that team did come back against the Philadelphia Eagles. So. That's what's going down tonight game two of the Eastern Conference finals between the heat and the Celtics. And based on the conversation that we had earlier on in the show about honest Hoopoe TJ Jefferson Chris Brockman believe if the heat don't win, they'll be broken up for Yannis. Whatever? Possible. Would you want the Celtics to break this team up for us? No No. So why should the heat fans? 'cause shyness. You'd want to break up your clippers for us right now because of what we just saw. What actually, I'm tried that not or you know what? No? No don't because this year was not supposed to be about the championship. Anyway this is the year that they're beginning to get their feet wet next year. The last year of their of the Paul George Kawhi Leonard Contracts that will be the year that they're they're going to jail because I haven't spent enough time together. It's funny. You say that still can't believe that now I have a real question for you though TJ would you trade embiid and a few other assets for young right now. Right now, no, this guy does not want to trade him bead I love embiid he he has a problem with weight. I love him be. Now that is a team that needs to blow things up because I think that team is already seen that the chemistry between their two top stars needs a lot of work. So you might as well, just blow it up and bring you on us into Philadelphia right now. Come on. That you wouldn't WanNa do. You know. The off season really just started for me yesterday. I haven't had time to really review rosters. I haven't had exit interviews yet. We haven't even done knows I can't really give you guys answer why have all the information down film friends with me? He's still breaking down the film. You haven't seen the film yet by the way you said about next year I told Chris and he can attest to this at the beginning of the season I said, I don't know if this is the clippers year but year two when they're fully jailed watch out. So who knows? Okay. And they got free agency looming after season. That's big game. Look the warriors are coming back next year. This was everyone's one opportunity to make something happen if he didn't get it done this year with Steph and Klay coming back then I don't know what you're GONNA do next year when they're just dropping bombs all over the place. What if the warriors wind up with the honest go with curry and Klay healthy and dream on. And everyone else around if they. Wrap it up right. Another seventy win. vs. Warriors, versus Lakers fully turn my attention to the national hockey. League. If that's stop it let's go pins. Cross. Every single day. Okay. Eight eight four four, zero four, rich number dial. We'll take your phone calls as we get set for Thursday night football tonight I'm thrilled to have calling into this show star of the film tenant, which is in theaters near You here in Los Angeles a theater near us right now. Unfortunately. is closed but for those who are listening on the mighty ten ninety, our local Radio Phillip here in southern California San Diego and Orange County it's been opened up internationally I. Think didn't Tom Cruise like she video of him going to see tenant in London or something like that. Oh my Gosh Christopher Nolan film that I cannot wait to see and I'm hearing such great things about starring John David Washington here on the rich Eisen show. How are you John? David? Aye. Fantastic. I am pleased to have you on this program I. Well, there's so many ways to go obviously film and TV, but I'm I'm gonNA. Start first with a night at NFL network in two thousand, six that I had. Okay. I got I got a call because it has the host of NFL network hey tonight. In is it possible to have somebody come over and watch the Saint Louis Rams preseason game because he can't get at home and on my who wants to come and the answer was Denzel Washington. And so your dad came to NFL network to watch you evolve for preseason game because he couldn't get it at home that how. I've never heard that story before. That's. That's Two thousand six man yeah I would. Say, a little. Bit. What was that like for you? What would you try to get hooked up with the Rams back then? Like every every young athlete in the NFL you want to start you WanNa make a career for yourself. I just wanted an opportunity to run the ball coming from historically black college. I thought that I felt like I had the the entire campus on my shoulders everybody was depending on me to make it because not a lot of student athletes for more house did so my first run as a in a in a preseason game against the colts Iran for I think it was like a nine yards from my own ends on we. Live at, elect the highlight of my career and I get mad at myself because if I break a tackle the PRI-, gone for like fifty got hawks so. I'm trying to find that clip sometimes somehow but that that I thought after that run, I'd have more opportunities I felt like you know that that that was going to give me going into it did army two years as a practice squad member but I never got to play, but I wanted to start. I. Wanted to I wanted that opportunity I wanted to I. wanted to play in go to the hall of fame some day I mean you still hold the Record for rushing yards just yards shy of thirty. And so are you telling me that you're you're hoping to break in here? You get a wrap in a preseason game which means the world right and it starts from the half inch your own half like you're standing you're standing you're standing in your own end zone literally. Can. You believe that he exactly I'm like all the scenario and the fourth quarter the colts against. The colts and they're like, all right. You're up. This is your rent like, are you kidding me so? Inside don't play them like this. Going to be a safety I'm GONNA get fired this is it you know? I, end up I, end up, breaking it. So it was yeah that that is. My career. And then so then the Rhein fire. So you might have actually called one year because I called some NFL Europe Games in two, thousand seven and beyond. So you off you lived in Germany and you kept it going. You kept the dream going correct. To as much as I could from the from the NFL yet but you you NFL play for coach the League. Danny Green would take culpepper as quarterback for a couple of years there I the dream alive there's a couple places that made it from the NFL Sunday Ho, the safety he's he's still in the league I believe there's some guys got some got some good looks from real looks from the US. So I just try to keep the dream alive my I I every time I got an opportunity at I I made the best of. My first, starting in the NFL arrest for above twenty eight and a touchdown got player of the week. So you know opportunities, the ones that were given to me I I took advantage of and actually it's interesting watching the NFL. Now I feel forgot I couldn't imagine coming out of Morehouse not getting the rest because cove did not getting the proper looks because of condensed no preseason games really how to how much harder that is how much more difficult it is to to make a team you know. So my shout shout out to those guys that are. Holding fast and still believing in themselves David Washington, we'll talk about tenant and more in a second but so who is your running back grownup? Who are you growing up saying list? This is who I want to be like this is what I WANNA do. was. Because I was I was a little Chubby. Kid with good feet on your own bed EST nature off means you know more a little. More. Of course. Yeah. Natron means business remember that of course. In southern California. Would you know I did a little guys like heavy yet can move. Okay. Well, I would just say this John David obviously everything has worked out very well. You know you. You have found your mark no question about it, and you are great in everything that you do what in the world was it like shooting tenant I cannot wait to see this film it is you know a tour De Force from anybody who has seen it that it is it is something that needs to be seen on a big screen what was it like for you? John David interesting even talk I haven't talked about that preseason story in a long time. So thinking about now I guess it was sort of the same feeling going in I felt like I was in Christopher. Nolan. Camp break instead of being an undrafted free, you know the first round draft pick. So I felt still a lot of pressure put. To be the best I could and and learning all the fight sequences and our movie deals with the world of inversion. So everything I'm used to doing for advancing the ball forward to finding four momentum four and all that is reversed. You know down his up, left his right you know in a d defending himself the offense. So it was it was an incredible experience The confidence because given my background in and the athletic field. But this this push to new limits to take took me to new heights It exceeded my expectations working alongside. Christopher. Nolan. When she made me feel like it made me feel like a teammate like a Collie more than just a actor for higher and you know I think he's he's one of these little Lombardi of of the directive. Granted every do and I felt I felt that we accomplish something special something very unique in it's important. I think for people to know that for two and a half hours to go to the movie theater and forget about everything all your problems is is is a blessing it's a luxury I think it's worth going to the theater school. Again, to play the role of the protagonist, literally that is that is the role. And you know an espionage role as well. This ought to be something look we all grow grew up wanting to be you know in in the the lead spy of a movie whether it's James Bond or not. To be able to play a role like this in a film as you as you say the, you mean, the the first overall draft choice that is that is remarkable and you're I can't wait to see it. I truly can't. John David. Came to see it's really is incredible absolutely, and so also being draft choice of Spike Lee. That's also got to be pretty damn through. Well, how did you? How did you prepare for that? Rely soon, you you spoke to the to the guy you were portraying and black clansmen correct. Absolutely the process likely is a little different. There is the Nolan experience is the spike Lee experience. He, literally, a call me up told me to read the book not ask me told me to and it never felt like it always felt like this is going to happen and we were going to work. It's it never felt like how you alike and he might have asked did you like the books I don't even think he cared if I said no because he wanted me to play rob. Stallworth. Play style where it was a role of lifetime The fact that he's a living person star was alive and well to this day was great luxury in a benefit to have him as. A as somebody, I can go to a lot more pressure than maybe even the protagonist because he's still alive but I was able to access them he he was very kind and generous with his information Rostov who worth was and it was a great honor a tremendous honor to be able to portray him and a film like this and what he did in his life I think he's a true American hero. No doubt spike is something else he? He's he's also one of the greatest coaches of all time has his own style like like no one has his own style lucky to. Play for both. And I'm just I'm just GONNA. Take a guess here that you're. You're probably not a Nixon maybe grown up here on the Left Coast Bought A does he did he? Force you to root for the next on the set in any way shape or form John David did ironically enough check this out I am a Laker fan for life showtime Lakers. Figure DA. I've the greatest team even even over the the shack and Kobe years but I I actually I'm a nick fan too. I live in Brooklyn and the reason I'm a nick fan because the Spike Lee if you've ever gone if you ever attend anybody can attend the game with Spike Lee a Yankee game or game people change your whole life little change how you look at sports I mean being in Madison Square Garden on the floor with Nick with the degrade spike Lee is like is like an experience unlike any other unparallel? No I grew up in staten. Island. The Knicks of just they've beaten it Outta. Me 'cause they're so damn terrible man. I just can't handle it anymore but that's what I loved on Oscar night, Sam Jackson given spy grief about the Knicks. He's standing about to hand him the Oscar that was truly before I. Let you go John David The sports figure that you met on the set of ballers that that you are actually pretty excited to meet or anybody who cameo on that show. You got a good story from that. There's a couple. There's a couple of I didn't get to meet. Tim Brown. But he he he had a cameo actually want want the. Story Quick Story that I'm very proud of we were shooting a pilot with the Great Peter Burn who also believed in the early in taught me a lot about this industry. I had a friend of mine who I play with Stephen Jackson in Saint Louis. Came to visit me in Miami I was just like a one time. Hang on said and. Berg he's so crazy. He had him just in the in the in the show he just put him in. Improvised and he was wearing. All the clothes he already had has had his own jewelry. He ended up making the pilot and made the Promo. So. Pretty cool. There's Stephen Jackson. He wasn't prepared to go on screen, but he's a natural and and he did it and he may be the pilots that anybody ever watched the first episode of ballers he that that was not written in the script he's. Talking about Elephant Elephant Larry. He's a great human being at Steven Jackson, John David and and again, the fact that that he you know I assume you just cross paths when you were trying to make the rams and he. Befriended you and stayed in touch with you. I. Love that Guy I love that. Guy. Like a big brother to me, he's he's a tremendous. congrats on everything that's happened for you and with you tenant, I cannot wait till obviously cove it allows me to go see it in a theater against folks here with sound of my voice in San Diego and Orange County's go check out ten opened internationally it is tour De Force, and you are welcome here anytime John David Washington, thanks for the call. Right, back at you got John David Washington at John David. Washington on instagram. Mana can't wait. Pattinson Kenneth, Brana. Calloway. Kenneka Rana is one of those actors whose great an absolutely everything. You cannot wait obviously Christopher Nolan is just as good as they come to an. Original Science Action Film Tenant. That's that took them. Five years to script I was reading who baby. That's A. Have you ever taken five years to do anything. I O divorce. Five years longer than that that was also shot Nymex if I'm not mistaken. The Yemeni comes at you. Bill I maxed divorce. Christopher Nolan directs, we'll be right back with Tom Arnold that'll be a lot of fun with him. He's got a podcast. will go down memory lane with del Tufo Tom Arnold sports keep coming back. So does your chance to on them with our exclusive? We drink potent or Ben Online Major League Baseball is now in full swing and the NBA has also began there's no shortage of ways to get in on the action better line has all the odds, futures and props for you to bet on. This is a bit online today to check out all the odds and up-to-date sports news. Don't forget to sign up and take advantage of all the welcome back to sports bonuses that online your online wagering experts visit our good friends and exclusive partner at podcast. 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Ham So John Salley in commercial break Goes Dam Dam Dam Dam dam and yeah we on a flight I. Think we're on the pro bowl at that point because I just left Fox that was super bowl. Best Damn. Was Fun I mean. All right. We're back here on our rich. Eisen show radio network we're been. Restrained on peacock as well we're keeping an eye on the leaderboard Justice Thomas and Patrick read our in the clubhouse as of this recording right here five under and four under par in Wing Foot Rory mcilroy three hundred. Tiger finished even. That's not bad on for that even par. Back here on the mighty your ten ninety as well as the rich Eisen show radio network packets three over three over the of Oh my. Gosh. That's eight back doubleday. Team. How did the How did the pro who Michael O'Keefe Loop for Monday and Tuesday Danny Balance His name. He's at fresh meadow country club and lake. Success. New York, he got. In the US opening PGA championship because due to Covid nineteen, they took they said we're GONNA we're. GonNa take the top three off the PGA. Club pro player of the year list and you're in both the US Open and the PGA Championship. How did he do? So he started out rough. He started a number ten and was five over on the on his front nine yet which was the back nine. But he finished plus three he's even with tiger. They still in the still in the mix okay. Mix plus three not bad. I have a question for. Spike the factor of one of the best putters of in the world as you can see at the top of every hour as I don't know a lot about golfing you said he was looping and I didn't pick up on what that meant you. caddy loops because you basically you go on a loop around the golf course from whole one, two whole eighteen. It's like a loop on why so why not just not do these caddying for him to say it's just another phrase it's. Just. Say like in a just with the ultimate of respect. Quitting. And giving up are just two different ways of saying you're no longer a clipper. Wrong. All that wasn't even necessary. We just did it. Go along. So basically, at at the end of this playoffs, you're going to have total contract. You got that goes back to like when the clippers is. Nice. Okay. this has got his own podcast now to in the Bush podcast. Along with Sasha bogs available wherever you get your podcasts drops every Monday, our buddy Tom Arnold back here on the rich Eisen show how are you? Thomas? Good money how you doing man? How are you doing? Great. I'm doing better for to you. Well, that's good. Was your show on TV they. Own with NBC. There's there's there's people playing soccer. There's there's people by bike and in France. The decided. By E. Yeah. Maybe it. Was the last time you went on a what was the last time? You wrote a bike Tom two days ago by kids little bike. Said approval of I could do it so he should get it. Okay and. So your father of the years you're saying, you did it. Really. Well. I don't know I kept about pretty late but with my assistant. Pretty Bad neighborhood. So baby father, the okay. Fantastic at down starts the car for me down in Koreatown. Okay. Get ready to go. Much father of the year you. Understand that we were going down memory lane. Mike del Tufo is going down memory lane about about this damn sports show period. Tom. I. Heard that I wanNA I. WanNa Help Village Buck if should airport. was talking about the Jacksonville. Super Bowl give up. And we went, live. On, that work on Fox on big. Big. The biggest opportunity ever Yup and what they did is they hit a push the button in La. And It was the wrong piece of tape Yep. It was a piece of tape the practice piece where we did we went down to the south started A. God blanket blanket banking use stupid people who go to church on Sunday. Because of the Sunday before the Super Bowl and you guys stupid enough to that. We're here. You know he was just bessie were laughing. Was a tape me work at a US and that's what happened and then you know and they played that wrong people especially the area they're. You know they're Jacksonville Florida of course. Anywhere anywhere. Tom I mean. Is it. America. So they got, they got a call because all the bigwigs you're on a boat. It was on our our what opportunity to maybe take show and and and moved up a little bit and there just all those swear words about this stupid people that go to church. Versus, you. You know. We had such a great time. We're out there all week and what I remember the most about the game. was tight game and and dollar Jabba score back. Obviously those he was very sick. I mean, he was very, you know out of his mind and vomiting and. They tell you about the game and I was right on the field and then and then Tom Brady we're going. Oh my gosh woodworking. We go to and I could see the clock and by Bardy up by. Sheriff's officer Yep yeah he goes. I go now go and I ran out there and he just got tackled for what would be the last their it out and I got Literally gotTa Talk. They're still seven. Of How do you feel I no questions how do you feel I never did and he gets up and starts talking to go so so fantastically starts to unfurl his body, and then he looks at my micro data looks at me and realize it is today got a push by the way where are the real journalists? And just watch off. But wait it was very funny. I. Show where so hold on a second Tom Arnold. You're saying. That when Tom Brady became. To date. The last quarterback in the NFL to win back to back championships, something that Patrick mahomes hopes to. Later on the first person, he saw with time still on the clock. In. Jacksonville was Tom Arnold with Best Damn sports show period Mike Camp in front of him but that that that happened. I. Got it very bad trouble for the NFL. Say the pile I got down there stickler bike. Like. This is We had I had no question ask you either I never did. I go and then I. Ll. Locker rooms today. So I had to read about his locker and he started walking tours. Uh US down a long haul and and Bardia like got to ask you something like I am no way why he just wants to zip well, what I ask you. What did you lose us feel like, yeah. I'm not as that no Baresi ability the wall, but then he walked by. Not. asking. Me Must be so upset no, and they got by me and I go. Hey it's your wife. She's really nice. You'll say subject. Also. Had you out the door which is on the other side of him. was a long haul walk. Like US really matter. Okay. All right. And but it's really funny but he's also very nice. Guy was so happy with Andy Reid. One. A lot of memory came back. You know looking at least at least in what probably has to be today even you know obviously. let go by your team or mutually parted ways. Your team is even Philadelphia he knew he had to know that there was something else coming up for MCI. SEATTLE. Be Fine. They're the lowest professional moment for him has to be losing the Super Bowl at least you were there to help soften that blow Tom Yeah. Still practice all. That's a basic thing and he's still in the. Super Bowl is a big deal. No doubt about no doubt about. So who is the best So you gotTa Go Deacon. Story. About. Today. Jones. was that he was every day one man and he was You Know Diga was always bitter because they can't they account. Saxwood, he started that's right and. Deka. Was very, he had a he had dark Alexi but but it was like visual. Douglas C but he he did he did he was tired and Yeah. So he went to sleep a lot I. Literally went to sleep, but he's goes bad that could go to sleep a lot like you know they could just go to sleep and it wasn't like he was good 'cause he everybody's stressed but he wants to sleep a lot you. Guys, have that ability and there's a lot on the show and but he was also had the energy. He'd get up and you know we had to sit with somebody who knows slave shows was says he has the ability to do one thing and he did he had the ability to slap people. Side of the head and and so you know I guess slapped a lot decides he had giant giant bony fingers huge. He loved you that as we did wear helmets, we did the first time. They've got such a pain helmet on. We had to recreate that hand slap and then I think towards the end of like the third month. He realized Oh Michael Irvin's going to create a replace me. So then he then he became big little it bigger which I don't blame him just. The head slaps is like you had the beads because very heavy beach because they just started snapping back and he was a little passive aggressive I. don't even know pass them. to He. Really has so much more to do, and I love Them also had trouble remembering. People's names or That was for everybody They were saying that your ear, like you know you're bob hope or something like this is. This is okay. That's. That's rich Eisen he's like Rick. And nobody do. Deacon Jones Man I mean these Deacon Jones I got Tom Arnold here. So much yeah. But he was really, it is really. So tell me your tell me about your pod Tom. What's is it? Bad I have you I live by kids so sixty year old A. Seven year old four year old and somebody has to help us here my po have this yoga assisted. Because of all. She she has. because the Kobe stay here would be the kids and she's very with my kids. We we we what they say. Let's podcasts always leaving the area here. She did a podcast. She's hilarious. She's a copy and but we did talk about is. Our point of view or. Comics, I like or my career in West Bay, the influences on her and you know I talk about these great athletes house growing up. The day. Okay. Lines I. Know I. Know that's not but I I just said why he was so important to me just guys like that can say they played every day and they just showed up at you know bigs like this or that I talk about Yoshito cubs growing up. But what Guy Dave, the ghost hunter that was here we're talking about how much that to us. And Harry Carey had and by other Buddies Jack Buck in southeast Iowa the announcers, the players. that just meant so much to us. And I asked her if there's anybody like that in her life and she said John Mayer and then I said it made me so mad that she would say that I said why well, you know he really I really felt like he whatever it was so stupid, you know John Mayer the other had these really great guy does things but you know it doesn't represent the Chicago cubs. For that matter. I don't even know if he's the electric chair. Of Musicians he's good in his own right but I. Really got. To. I was scared that I would have to make her leave the house because. Like. I brought somebody that just Just, see what could get a that could never speak to get. Basically, we're GONNA have a podcast. So we have a lot of fun as she is she is a character, all my friends you know. You get a call for tissue and he's like, Hey, what's Base kids good. How're you doing? Good. You what's the you would Sasha shots. Very cute. It was you know she she just I go yet you don't. We do podcasts. Oh you guys aren't She's thirty years. He. Served charity goes. Oh, I think you so with you bid. I mean Look Tom I. Mean you know you go way back? With with your Buddy Steve there and what did you think of the giants opener which are the giants opener? Hey, hey, that'd be awesome man. Levy case of nude I've seen worse. Let's, put it this way I don't think the giants are going to make that the slogan for their twenty twenty team video. You know what I mean. They're so John Twenty Twenty Times Hey. We've seen worse. You can't you know what I mean like. Football's back me too. I was like it I. Just thought you know at our big tits back. Well, I hope so too. Yeah. You're Mr Hey man. I'm really fired up about your pod to in the Bush podcast you bad. I do watch your show every day. Good TV you have a TV show, right? Whether or not cycling, but we're on peacock get peacock and streaming. It's great. It's amazing. Okay. Okay. I'll do that. Thanks rich. You're the voice football you know. I love you Tom. You take care of yourself. You got right back. Anybody. That's Tom. Is Tomorrow one of a kind. Now on a second year. I have a completely different story about the way the Jacksonville Super Bowl and. A totally different stories of Tom said they. Thought he ran out on the. Party will get out of. Bardia are the producer. Second. I fully A. That means there's gotTA BE NFL films footage of Tom Arnold going getting on the field yeah. They're definitely wasn't seven seconds left on the clock that I have to say there's no there's no way that you're watching the end of the Super Bowl and there's Tom. Arnold running on the field I've. But but People run on the field as soon as it's all over and NFL security or stadium security knows that and you have to have the proper that didn't. Go ahead you have to have and I'm not talking about the credential around your neck. You have to have the proper like vest well they. On the. After that they did not are you sure my story of the Jacksonville Super? Bowl Tom Arnold is running onto the field with his best damn sports show Mike. Flag. I'm standing with the former. Producer of the Best Damn sports show who is the executive producer of NFL network. Eric. Weinberger and I were standing next to each other in the end zone. That, Brady was going away from. Where in the end zone. Each of us have a director's chair. That, we are going to place onto the field to create. The first ever NFL network post game show set at a super bowl that NFL network is producing. The first Super Bowl we did was brady winning the year before in Houston against. And the Carolina Panthers John Fox. We did the post game show but we meaning me and Solomon Wilcox with NFL films, producing it because they did the International Feta of the game we use their truck, 'cause the entire NFL network crew flew to Hawaii to do the pro bowl you part of that. You flew early to set up I just stayed behind. We didn't do any pre game show on the only post game show we did for NFL network was just me and Solomon will cuts This one though we were doing NFL network is producing it. We're keeping a truck. We're going to. We're going to leave the next day for the. Pro Bowl which we did flying through Atlanta, and then through Denver we took three planes to get there the entire crew including Adam schefter walking onto the plane in sunglasses like it was almost famous I'm telling you that was one of our favorite moments. We gave him so much crap. But reason why I bring this up again is we were getting set. To set up the set. They had likes we had the chairs. It was just you know. Just a small group of people we were all the more you could do to help. So we were setting up our own set. And all we were told is do not go on the field on till. The confetti goes up in the air. That's what we were told. Confetti goes in the air you're allowed to go on a field, but certain people weren't. And Eric and I were just ready to go. And someone to our left. Wearing. The wrong colored vest. Ran Onto the field. Before the Confetti went off maybe he saw Tom Arnold running on a field. And security took this guy right down to the ground. And tied his hands behind his back coal spot I can imagine. And Eric and I looked at each other. Watching this whole thing happened the guy was let off with his camera hanging around his neck. And we looked at each other we just said. Okay. And put our seats down. Because the Confetti was going off. That was my perspective of the end of that. Super Bowl. I don't know how the Hell Tom Arnold got a Fox had the game. It was Fox the Jacksonville Super Bowl because I was the first one I didn't do faulk by the way that was the first one joe buck ever call yeah because. Summer all rant did Brady I one championship. Three years before. In New Worlds. So, this was this was the first of of a of a buck and I don't think it was eight and yet I think it was still collins worth it might have been collins worth in the booth with him. Via, a bet. But any rate it was Fox doing it. Had if he had the credential or. Go. Yup You go. If he had like the all access back then which now is like that's funny that Brady, Brady is just like. Immediately. Said, this is the most amazing that he's like wait a minute. Why come on over the best damn sports show here three man booth Joe Buck Troy. AIKMAN. And collingsworth wow with PAM and Chris Mayer on the sideline. About that. We'll take a break. We'll come back and got a great Deacon Jones. Story. To based on the whole hall of fame, we'll tight altogether. That's what I do is I take strings and I time altogether. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work. You know what's easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy? It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home go to Geico Dot, com, get a quote and see how much you could save. It's GYCO. Easy visit GEICO DOT com today that's GEICO DOT COM G. I. C. O. 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Hall Basketball Right. Yeah, I used to go in the stands when the other guys pull the game. Rich Rich I'm gonNA tell you convey to threaten you. Bring. In your tape I have one or I kind of look just kick over whatever Olaf automaker maker you have and go look for twenty five years old I actually came up with innovation it was way ahead of its time Oh my God for radio I went out in the arena the meadowlands and went and did like interviewed man and I want you creed on the street interview I did not say Seaport. seriously. I I went out but put a little bean and went out with an F. microphone and walked around hold on a second before you continue. Chris Brockman. If we took a transcript of what just came out of his mouth. Forty seconds would it not read as if he's created he's he he he said he created man on the street interviews I was. Like what he says that I sent him something that nobody else is. Chris Chris, it sounded word for word transcript of what he said. I was innovative. I said I created the cake corner adding create the New York Times Christian never done before. That's yeah. Never done is in in radio that was in new I never saw done. You never heard that radio what men on the street enemies. Not Not remotely. Will House do you do only second? Please please I'm sorry three. Do that eight hundred said it's it's better. It's just one person I think we're on the same we're paddock also. We're all rich is usually the good. Guys don't understand I used think stuff like that. Make innovative stuff like that. When I was a kid drives my whole thing drop I don't have to drop, please ask the question rich Kellyanne rich. What are you talking about? So. I think we need to reset I have people that can corroborate. We need to set people. Back, on our radio yet are we back on the radio yet? Back. Okay. So we're back on the radio. For those who just joined us? Oh Man. We spent the by the way this one of the many reasons for you. To get peacock because we. There there's more of the show on peacock. And then on top of it, when Mike del Tufo says the fact that you were innovative when you're part of the Seton Hall. Basketball Radio, broadcast team Yup of which there are tapes they exist things if threatened to bring the man in every time, we please bring them in. You sat on a where they are. You got a lot of stuff like you like you not of of Marina del Rey whatever. Then you said that you. You innovative when you did that, you did stuff that nobody's ever done before and then describe holding strikers were man on the Internet he's done I. Did something that no one had done. and. I was innovative. I put a guy out walking around the arena interviewing people the coach. When we go to halftime in the post game, we was call us about I. Would I mean I didn't physically do all the time because I sat engineering, right? But producing it. I produced an engineer and you engineer the the. Game. For two years in a row. Your idea to say you go interview the coach at Halftime yes. Because and I didn't know what I've weren't stuff rich thing that you're wearing your your I didn't know what that was back then. Were just. A Moron back then now smarten, are you taking credit? Making. Chanting Credit and that was high I are you taking credit? For innovating no idea. No of coaches being interviewing during a game and has to sought on TV and I wanted to do it. I'm radio I was in. Credit for doing it on the radio and being? No. Invader. Innovator you said you innovated after seeing something on television that you wanted to do on rainy. Work. This is a direct quote. I've done things that were never done before. That'd be said innovation I don't think that word means what you think it means. I was an innovator. He's he said that I like that word she said come up with men on the street, but he was the first one to do it remotely. Well, how else do you do what man on the street if it's not? He also said he's never it's not it's not the studio. Studio. You've never seen anything like that before, but it's radio so you've never heard it. into say. But he's the king of. He's the King of when you're when you're setting a level and you want to show how it sounds different you say watch. Watch this watch this team your. Auditory, say watch this I've been, and then sometimes when you're like showing something that you're doing with your hands, you say listen. To Me Watch it. Sit at home with all my friends and my own with all my friends. Idea that would actually be great for the Kovic. Arrow. Kevin O'Leary just in case. For that God. Made Fun. Of Me I less than twenty four hours. Give me a producer. You had said that you've been working on that idea for seven years. That's really only twenty four hours. Go to the to go to the Shark Tank Guy. I did you do it? Wanted to having O'Leary. It over the beginning. Okay. Oh my God. You Undercut Yourself. I don't think it's part of what we're about to show but you saying when you started saying that came up with the idea when you home alone with your friends. Scary up there in front of Kevin. I said those words King of the shoe things hit me. Sitting. Here at this desk one is, what's he look at? What did how did that one land and then to? This is exactly how I wanted this to go hundred percent. Mike del Tufo is standing microphone. Say Twenty feet away don't looking right at Mr Wonderful of Kevin O'Leary of Shark tank go for Mike Del Tufo. What happens if something happens to me? and. Twenty five hundred miles away my family's air and they don't know I could be sitting in the apartment. Alone. Dead for Dave. So I came up with idea for an APP called just in case. That would be basically you download it. And you could check in with this APP and other people could see a you're alive. Still you could basically be tracked with it just to get the whole story far I completely visceral it you. How. How would you make money doing this? Subscription per month people are gonNA pay per month. Cents per month. Is your mom calls you for two days and doesn't get an answer she's probably gonNA call the super go check on his corpse like think about it. They don't need ninety nine cents about. Would you want if you don't have to do Mike other people? WHO Cares. You're dead. The APP. Does it? No you're dead. You'll having I would tell you yet. You're not and checking in every time you unlock your phone, it would ping and you put people on a list that know that you're you're mother's in Florida. She could be sitting in the house. You know the least he's checked in on our phone. If you're kidding, you don't have to talk to him on the phone with the call and if it's a kid. Thing if you're if you're worried as bad, why don't you call her? People call their mother and father the twenty five, hundred miles Ma, I. Just WanNa make sure your head like are you kidding you should call your mother every day talk about like hey. You want to know the exact moment you're. Yeah. Look bad. Really bad. Really is one of my favorite moments and. Two days away from the three year anniversary of. Happy. Anniversary. I mean but you did you hung in there. I did it took a lot of a lot of guts but. Visual evidence sucked on his back that visual evidence. VEGGIES YOU Visual. But you're an innovator you've always been an innovator. Love you I always do things that's never been done before. Oh Fun show we had today. I WanNa thank Hollywood Brown I wanNA. Thank Tom Arnold I. Want to thank John David Washington Joe Thomas David Baker Pro Football Hall of Famer, a pro football hall of fame. President. We talked about Deegan with him and we talked to a deacon with Yeah. Tomorrow Tom Arnold Quick Deacon Story, and talking about the jacket dinner the jacket dinners a beautiful than where you put your jacket new. Whether the pro football famous get their jackets. It's the day before the speech and. The day before they get the bust. So it's literally the first tangible item makes at dawn on them that they've they've got. Crush it every year when you I love doing it and you just see some moments of fathers and sons, daughters and fathers and wives and husbands just you know on the stage culminating in this life moment. So when Shannon Sharpe got in sterling was the one who slipped jacket on him and the two of them hunt and it was beautiful moment beautiful moment amongst two brothers who've been through. Everything in fact, again that sterling should get jacket slipped on him to. All right. It was just so moving and it was the front page of the newspaper. The next day is beautiful photograph to show about how emotional the moment is. you heard Dave Baker. Say it's all about moments. And I'm standing in the lobby of a hotel and there is sterling and there is Shannon and there's Deacon Jones holding up the most the newspaper looking at the photo. And just saying. What that F is. Crying. Crying, and he just called them all sorts of names. And the two of them just shook their heads. And it was one of those. Is, this oh my gosh. Browns tonight. Right browns. Now, I'm taking the bank off. What Friday shows GonNa be if that happens. IT'LL BE ON AND CRACKING If that happens Oh my I'm taking the browns tonight I. Think we talk about. The ship a little not oh boy either way we'll see Friday everyone. Is, Chris Myers for more than three decades covered some of the biggest events in sports talk with some of the most fascinating personalities. But now I want to invite you to join me for my new podcast. 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Dick Vermeil

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Dick Vermeil

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Be sure to check us out on our website huddle up with Gus, where you can listen to more episodes just like this now, let's join the Huddle House and everyone brought here. Thanks for joining me again on her up with God bless. You can find us on radio.com wherever you listen to your favorite podcast and you can also see us on 1631 digital news just like the intro said, I'm usually joined by my friend and Cold Steve Hager. Dave is not with us today, but I have a much better-looking co-host today. Marnie is joining me again morning. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Thank you guys. I always appreciate the the name that compliments of my intro. So thank you. Well, you know money I think you deserve all those compliments and I think that you know, Dave would completely understand. That's why we say that so you know morning. I think we have a special guest of yours on today somebody that you've known for a long time that that he's known you since you were a little off so joining us in the Huddle today is none other than coach had former head coach Dick Vermeil coach Vermeil has now coach, you know, he coached with the Eagles of rams and achieves. He was coach of the year on four different levels. I think that's most impressive to me. So he understands, you know, we're football starts and and and what how kids are made and Thursday. Professional athletes, I think we went through all that so joining us in the Huddle today super bowl-winning coach of the st. Louis Rams coach Vermeil coach. How are you doing today? I'm doing fine. I'm Marnie. I thought you know as you know, I I was screwed up. I had this on my calendar for tomorrow morning. And as I said to Marty as we were visiting, I you know, I'm so spoiled all my years pro coaching. I had somebody with a desk job my office. It kept me straight and did on my calendar and all that kind of stuff and I screw up my personal calendar all the time. It's embarrassing I get mad at myself for doing I guess. Yeah, you're so flexible that you know how to, you know maneuver on and off the field coach and get I hope so cuz great to see you haven't changed at all. I got a lot of em, I saw you last in Atlanta few years ago. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. No, that was great. And you know, I've probably been about the same since I retired I drink too much red wine and cheese. You know that that's kind of how it goes happens. Yeah happen but coach, you know, our show is really we want to find out about you from your humble beginnings how you started it generally about how you fell in love with sports. It could have been you know, somebody that that took you out in the yard every day like your dad your grandfather for me. It was It was kind of that way I could have been an idol you had watching them grow up or you you listen to on the radio things like that. What was that humble beginning for you and how you fell in love with sports? Well my humble beginning I was born in Calistoga the North End of Napa Valley at that time eighteen hundred people in town hundred thirty kids in my high schools in total 29 in my law school class. But anyway, so very humbled beginning. I was born in my great-grandfather's home and the Italian side of my family in nineteen. Eighty as I told Marnie. We restored that home after the 80 super power wash and I ran out of money and her grandfather let her toes came in and paid for the rest of it. He paid 55% of the remodeling job. And so, you know, I've always been a debt to her off-ramp and I always considered him one of the finest individuals I had ever been around in my lifetime. But anyway, that's where I started with the high school. They're played football are we have 20 kids on the team and my senior year A guy by the name of Bill would came to Calistoga in his first head coaching job out of college and he is the guy probably along with my dad always talking about how much he loved playing dog. School football himself sort of centered me and got me directed in a direction. I hadn't planned to go to college. I was going to stay and work in my dad's garage. He was going to tear down the old barn and build a new it for me on a project that kind of thing my high school football coach. Bill would said, you know, if you want to a young man you could you could play college football and I had no one ever told me that and that that sort of stimulation he said but to do so, you're going to have to go to Junior College because you haven't done anything for four years in high school. And I said, well, you're I know that you know, I know that I rebuilt a 36 Ford, you know, as how I drove that but anyway, so he he started me thinking about it and I respected him so much. We remain close and I went to Junior College and had little success. I walked on a San Jose State made the team scholarship and but I stayed in touch with go would and the more I played the game the more I was fascinated by it not so much in the playing side of it, but the X's and O's the the intricacies. And the building of a team and all so I decided I wanted to be high school football coach and fortunately for me, I got a job after getting my Master's in 1958 at Del Mar High School as an assistant football coach and head track coach and I was there one year and I got the head coaching job at Hillsdale High School in San Mateo right across from the airport. Just go there and I was there a few years. We won Championship my second year my third year we got beat we didn't have a great team. I went to Junior College coaching as an assistant coach from there. I went to Stanford University as the Freshman coach and it just every time the phone rang and it was about a job. I took it and and I liked every job I had I just you know, it was an opportunity to grow maybe get a little better and learn more and you know, Bill Walsh was a good friend because he was a San Jose State when I went there as a graduate student and we became good friends to develop a relationship. Hip and then from then on it was always football football football and I recognized I didn't want to stand in a gym and watch kids take a shower all my career. So each time. I had an opportunity to advance in the football situation. I took it so we moved a lot Carol and I moved a lot and you know, we had three children. Yeah by the time we were like twenty eight six twenty-seven years old and may I have eleven grandchildren because of it, but that's where it all started the influence of a high school football coach. And when I said, she's I'd like to be him. I'd like to I'd like to go to high school football game amazing coach because you know, everybody that knows you or is even had an opportunity to hear you speak. They all say the same thing like listening to coach for meal the lessons that you can teach everybody through your coaching. So you had great coaches and then you passed all those what do you think would like one of the one things that you learned from one of the coaches that you had that you have now implemented in your coaching career wage? That's good. The strongest contribution anyone met one single statement was John wouldn't okay. When I was at UCLA recruiting season had ended the day after it off in John wooden's office sort of pouting. I said coach wouldn't I lost some real good players to USC and he looked me right in the eye. He leaned forward at his desk and he said, you know coach don't worry about USC's. Don't worry about those. She loves they're always going to have better players than you just work to make every player you have on your roster the best you can possibly the best he could possibly be both on and off the field and everything else will take care of itself. So and I have from that time on I have had that behind me and reinforcing my thinking and begin forcing my actions and decisions making based on that statement, you know a simple but very salad. Well, you know, it really goes with your whole theory of you believe in people like I've never wage Around somebody like like you because I I watched you when I've had the opportunity to see what you've done. But I think that believing in somebody is really truly like this great this great way to encourage them and to make them the best that they can be both on and off the field and you might need my old by approach if I interject you're talking believing in me. My Approach was first off the most important person to be believed is the person believing in himself what you do as a leader and a coach what I try to do is reinforce this believe that he really has something to give he has a gift and what he has to do is to work and develop that gift. My job is to find what that gift is a giving the tools and the advice and the leadership that would allow him to be the best. He could be somewhere down the road but it's going to take time and patience and and hard work. That's right coach do you think That when you try to find that gift and somebody as a player you have to understand that full person, right? Because I think that a lot of guys that I've known you see a lot of Talent come through the NFL but and they all have gifts right but how do you pull that out of them? You have to understand that complete person. So tell me what did you do to get know those players in a way that they really believed and trusted in you. Well first off you can you communicate honestly, you know, you know, if you you tell me some kind of a fib to a player it's a secret for about 30 seconds in the locker room and everybody knows it. You can lose credibility instantly in an NFL locker room and you have to make decisions not always the popular decision, but the right decisions and and and not being impulsive about it. Then if you have a deep enough philosophy the decisions you make sometimes seem him. To believe but it's you've been there and done it before and you know, how you think and this is how I'm going to respond to the situation. I'm in but the number one thing is be honest with your players telling the truth. Sometimes I really don't want the truth. They don't want to be told they're not quite good enough. They don't want to be told that they haven't worked hard enough they want they don't want to be told that they they've overlooked some Talent they've had for too long has too late the NFL and done sit around a way for you to grow up, you know, and I I learned a long time ago gosh that there's no correlation between maturity and age, you know, I've coach kids fifteen years older weren't mature as hell and I've coach guys thirty-five years older. We're still growing up, you know, so that's what I would do Gus and and and working with the kids thing is number one. And then the number two thing is to be a good example for him. You better do what you ask them to do in a way that they can see. Do you really believe in what your name? Need to teach them you reinforce Everything You Believe In by your example your team will not be what you are not. Okay your family variety with you are not that's all there is to it. And so I I use that I I've actually had NFL players come to me a locker room says goccino, you know, because in the off seasons and the NFL we would have positioned to intercept the house Carol know what form the big cable. I have sitting up stairs. We sat at last night. We took it with us because we could seat 18 people on it and we'd have players around there and I had a number of players coming a coach in my marriage. I want to try to develop the relationship that you and your wife have and pass it on to my family. Now that goes, you know, you don't get that on football field office in a meeting room or every day you get that in these other little things you add to who you really are and what you believe in and you know, but by being an example some wage Kids have never had a I've never seen a parental relationship. Some of them don't know how their dad is. You know, I I've experienced all these conversations behind closed doors so long. I felt that I didn't realize that phase was an impacting certain kids, but it was brought to my attention and made me feel good and I didn't have to change anything. But that's what we thought. You know, that's what we do. And but I think the big thing is when you look up in the eye, you gotta tell them the truth and and you have to be believable in the only way you can be believable consistent and MCU. They see in you you're in your actions what you're actually talking about. Yeah. Oh wait. Sorry guys. Were you going to page real quick money, you know coach I've always felt like Your example of of how you lead. I was a high school coach after I played and you know just didn't go any further After High School, but I know people make fun of me because after the season was over and you do the banquet and you talk about the kids and I get really emotional always cried. I mean, it's just how I am. I'm very emotional because I cared and and you know people used to say that about you as well and I always thought that was wrong that doesn't mean that you're weak or you're not strong or you didn't push the kids to be better. It was I always felt like I knew them intimately off and they were like my kids as well. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you this, you know, it always used to really bother me but there's no shame in being who you are, right and back years ago. I was reading one of schwarzkopf's Books Okay, and then there there's a statement. It says, you know, he didn't worry about the guys at Crider got emotional he worried about those that didn't No, I agree. I I when I was younger I used to say Kara would say to me now dick. Don't get emotional. Well, that's that's like saying that dick. Don't take the next step. You've got to be who you are and I would walk in the NFL stadiums and I can remember you want so vividly I'm thinking walking in the 49ers stadium in the old one will stadium and I look up and said some guy yells. Hey Vermeil wants to cry for me, you know, so I learned to live with it because that's who I am and I thought you know, when you're eighty four years old who gives a damn what someone else thinks it's got to be yourself. I mean at any age who gives a damn because I've gone through that coach, you know, I've I've had situations come up in my life. I'll be on ESPN for the rest of my life for about something that happened to me while I was playing and and people still make fun and and talk to me about it. When I do radio shows and all that and I'm just like hey, it happened to me you just move on and and you live on it's not going to bring me down. It's just like being emotional. It's part of life and that's what I am and home. Yeah, I can Define I can tell you what makes me emotional so when I get into situations and now I try to not move my mind and presentation into that specific area because I do get emotional and it gets about a person. It's about a relationship. It's about a uh, a feeling you have in in when you're emotional person. Like I am that left side of your brain, you can't it just happens and You know and I learned to live with it, but I know how to stay out of it, but sometimes when trying to stay out of it. I don't give to where I ought to go right to say, you know what I mean? I totally I totally understand and and having the opportunity, you know, you stepped into certain places that were I would say hostile environments like moving from California to Philadelphia and you know using all your emotion and grit and everything to win that City over if you were not the emotional coach. I don't think you would have had the love of the city that you ended up having and so being yourself. You know, there was a Latin theme esse quam videri which means be rather than seem to be and that is definitely coach Dick Vermeil all the way. Well, thank you, you know me as well as anybody but yeah, you should be who you are and you know that and I went every whenever a young coaches talk to me and I communicate with certain coaches and and I don't have all the answers, but I just tell them how I feel off. I also tell him in broadcasting for fourteen years. I was on somebody else's football field. You know too much football coaches I've ever seen coach football or Bill Schneider at Kansas State. Okay and Tom Coughlin Boston College. They're the two best on the field football coaches leaders logged in successfully producing football coaches that I watched believe me and you know and on and I've been on Don Shula's practise he'll you know, and those kind of guys you walk away. And you say my God. I wish I was good as they are. You know, that's just how they make you feel. So anyway, you learn I learned a lot by broadcasting the game visiting locker rooms being on practice fields and walking on some fields and say, you know, if they're really overrated they just loaded it down with average coaching and they're winning, you know, I'd say to myself even I could go back and win here often, but when you walk down a field and see the other where the players are are marginal and they're they're playing and beating them you say there's real coaching making some of the best they could be as a collective org. Should we had funny you say that coach cuz my father-in-law who who recently just passed he coached for forty-two years in high school level and he was my high school coach and when my son came back home to Pittsburgh and he went to Pittsburgh Central Catholic and played there. He had come to the games and he said look, you know, we would have twenty-five Thirty Kids come out for football. We didn't have twenty-five Thirty athletes and we want a lot of games because he taught them how to play football and and they were greedy and they they wanted a win for him. He said if I would have had this kind of talent, who knows what I would have done, you know, he says that all the time and he says you guys should never lose a game with the talent you have on the field. So, you know, I can say this and I'm Marnie knows I'm no ego guy, but in nineteen eighty if we had a first second third round pick and Seventy-Six and seventy-seven and at first and the second pick in 83-78, we have blown the Raiders out. Okay, we didn't have those dead. Was eight nine real high-quality football players. We did a great job on my coaching staff did a great job making seven eight nine ten free agents good players and collectively wage you get together and we end up with some guys, you know, they're going to the Pro Bowl they weren't picked to go to the Pro Bowl they worked to get there. Yeah. I mean that's with ology. That's why I think people really claim to certain years and certain themes because of the mythology behind it like did and you were able to go into the locker room and create an environment which was you know, you would want into this situation where there weren't, you know, a a players on the team and make them into a players and I know everybody talks about your training camp. I want to hear about you know, how you said. Okay. This is my time in Philadelphia. We're going to make this training experience as difficult as it is, but really make the players enjoy it because their their results are going to be there. Yeah. Well the big thing is you evaluate what they need each position wage. Situation each area of your team offensively defensively special team and then your diet design practices that allow you to make each area that we're not good enough in bed. And it would it had adds up to a lot of time. You know, if you're an average golfer you may never be you know, Sam Snead's so to speak but if you go practice you'll get better the same thing with a break if you but you have to provide her in an environment in a temple. That'll carry over to game day. You know now you go to football practice. It looks like Dancing with the Stars, you know, they could almost Point each other. I got you black. All right, you blocked me, you know that kind of thing. But no, there's I don't think there any secrets their problem with our have what happened thought she I couldn't do it in the NFL today. It's all controlled by what the league and the union collectively put together in the bargaining agreement. So it's not what you as a leader. Determine that team needs it's controlled time contact work pads. Doubleday's is all controlled by the union, you know, a team has already been beaten you 15 times in a row. They don't need as much work as you do is trying to catch up, you know writes all notified now, so it's harder to take a loser and make him a winner by out working somebody. Yeah. I have a good friend Greg Olsen whose be of the Raiders and you know, we were talking back in the spring and I was telling him about when I first came in the league in Nineteen Ninety Four, you know, I could go out in the field with with Cam camera Thursday, we would just throw and I never receiver and I'd throw, you know, come back after come back after come back digging, you know, just learning the timing and throwing and and all that and he's like, oh, yeah, we can't do it today. We get a certain period with time with quarterbacks and being a backup. That's where you get your reps. You don't raising to me gustas and Marny what's a really amazing to me this first wage? And starting with the Thursday night game how well these teams are playing. I mean it maybe I was wrong maybe I didn't have to work them as much to get him to play as well as they play off right now, you know see I think the football they play today in the shorter period of time it's alignment and assignment football rather than taking you individually and teaching you how to play your position better physically within the scheme and take your scheme and Coach areas of the scheme so they can be executed better. Now, it's you you have an alignment assignment you play because you just didn't have enough time, but I'm very impressed with the quality of play. I thought the games were great. But I think also though coach the back in the old days, you know the grit and that was really how people said you led by the amount of time by the amount of everything you did. So I think it's different people now have you know, just all the different training methods the training people of different everything is so completely different than it was back in place. He's an early nineties your Droid money. But the one thing that's always true. Everybody thinks are working hard. These guys read the paper right now is how hard they're working boy was tough. We had pads owns a day. Oh my God. It's it's a joke in comparison. So it's you know, everybody likes to believe they're hard workers. They may not like to work hard but they like to believe it and it's very easy to tell somebody a hard they're working. They will always believe you. Well, you know, it's funny you say that because I played for the Bengals one year in Katy Jensen was my quarterback coach. And what's the hell? Yeah. See Bill was what offensive coordinator few years. Yeah. Yeah. Well dick. Lebeau's a head coach. Jeff Anderson was my quarterback coach and he used to tell us stories about how they used to do three days when he when he first came and he said we didn't have an off-season. We were all working other jobs, and we would start early July we'd have three days and we had to go through Thurs. And that and and so when we go out there and we complain about you know, we have a practice in the morning then we'd be in you know shelves in the afternoon. He'd just laugh at us he goes. All right, boys, we're going to work. So he put us through the wringer every day cuz he said, you know, I I've done this. Well, I believe and you probably due to we're in the the reason a lot of things are cut back is try to prevent injury and they know the answer to each situation in Iraq actually cut back so far now, I think they're creating more injuries because they aren't contact instinctively ready for contact at the temple was played on Sunday, So I think we're getting more injuries and now I got you know that I hear all the time. I was too soft soft tissue problem softeners. We used to call him bruises. That's what you call right back up tissue injury. You had a bruise you play you move you work. You can write your motor by the but you go out and do it. But so that's all changed and some of it is for the good. There's no question. Right, you know, you know and I go through head coach because when I was in eighth grade my dad he was a mill guy here in Pittsburgh. He worked for a plant called PPG and when I was in eighth grade, he bought me a new pair of shoes to play football and the first practice I hurt my foot and I said Dad, I think I broke my foot. He goes, I don't care what happened to I just bought you those clits. You're going to wear them all year just tie your shoe Tighter and I did I played the whole season change when you had it didn't hurt you. Did it it did you go through a little bit, but you learn how to fight through pain and deal with it. And and you know, I still deal with that mentality today and I think that's what made me a job an okay quarterback. Yeah. And so I grew up. That's my dad was the same way my dad. I think he could be the originator of verbal abuse. Okay, you know unbelievable way of getting on your butt. Right? Well, I think my grandmother would say injured is different than her like an idiot. He is dead. Different than being hurt like winners played her if you're injured then you know, you'll deal with that but I think that that gritty mentality which was so exciting and you know, having them being able to kind of play through that. I think it's why we I fell in love twice. I fell in love with football just watching people out there give it their best and go out there and play and do everything they can to make those wage yards. Yeah. No. Yeah when you can see that in personality to some people said to me, you know, you're a good motivate. I said, no, I was a good evaluator. I brought people that I saw a certain characteristics within their personality and performance before we ever drafted him or signed him and that's why they're here, you know, and they might not be the biggest fastest smartest, but there's something I liked about the combination of all my you attribute, you know, but I'd say we we had some lousy drafts in Philadelphia my last couple of years or do we didn't do as good a job drafting when we had first and second third-round picks as we did when we didn't have them off. Learned a lesson there too later on so coach when you would go from you went from high school to college to you know, all the stops you did before you got to the Eagles. Did you keep a notebook that you do things the way you wrote down to to remember all the stuff or did you just have a steel trap up there? They remember everything. I'm a big writer Downer. Okay, I've got I've sent box office staff of football stuff I've sent box is full of Jon Gruden was a personal friend and and how the young coaches I've sent him stuff that on the more mature side of my career when I was doing it took, you know, I had assistance to to type it on and write it all and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, I believe in writing it down. I really do in you know, I Martin he's been with me when I have a choice, says personal presentation is takes an hour to give and do it. Right and I work on that every week every day. I could go down I could go get it out now and they're laughing. My work done at might have been yeah middle of last week. I think of something I read something it's better expressed what I believe than I would express it. I incorporate that in my presentation. So, you know, otherwise you get stale, you know, you don't grow it and I read to learn not to like I say just to enjoy and relax and get careless always looks at me things that crazy because she read three books a week to just relax and is it a great book? It's pretty entertaining. She said she barely what have you always learning. So we're joined Everyone by could stick for Thursday. We're going to take a short break. We'll be right back. Hey listeners. Thanks for joining Dave & I in the Huddle, we invite you to join our exclusive huddle through patreon where you can get access to, I may just for VIPs like yourself head to our website. How do up with Gus, and hit support our podcast on the pop-up ad once again. That's how to up with Gus. Com. How let's get back in the huddle. And everyone we're back with former NFL head coach Dick Vermeil coach Vermeil has been telling us some great stories about his life growing up and you know how he got started in coaching and and the people that made an influence in his life and and now we're on to the Eagles and telling us some great stories. So Marnie, I know you have some incredible questions for Coach Vermeil, you know growing up seeing him in that building every day with your with your grandfather with your mom there. So go ahead. I know you have some incredible questions for Coach Vermeil. Well, you know, I would definitely say that coach from me off all taught me the work ethic that I believe I have I know that his work ethic was incredible so coach you obviously have not that is not slipped away as you've you know, gracefully. So what do you I mean, how do you continue to have this drive and grit like, what are your motivators to do that? Well, I think it's very very important as you get older to keep moving but not. Just your feet your head as well. Okay, and I think it's so easy to walk down. Let's see. I'll be 80 for this coming month. I want to wind up to be I want to be in on the upper one percent of Eighty-Four, you know, not that I'm trying to live longer. I just like to live older better. Okay, and and I haven't stopped doing anything that I like to do because I'm 84 that I did a 44. Okay some things I don't need as well. I'm sure but hey, I'll begin Montana first week in November in the hills of ninety three Thousand Acre rain for elk and and and there'll be guys a lot younger that are staggering but they come in and I feel great but you have to work at it, you know, you you have to make a contribution every day 2 to your own personal health, you know, so, all right. How do you deal with disappointment dead? Poorly, that's a good question. You know, that's a good question money, you know. The first thing to do is to evaluate the disappointment and what percentage of the reason of the disappointment is related to you directly, right, you know, a lot of people handle disappointment improperly and that they look for other people to to blame. You know, I'm not a blamer in fact probably a fault sometimes I want to assume too much of the fault for the disappointment or the loss or whatever or the real problem and I've learned over the years that many times it was I was a police state percentage. So first you gotta be grateful for what you have. You gotta be grateful what you are and you gotta look forward to trying to be what you'd like to end up being, you know home you'd like to be a little better than you were yesterday or last month and you don't have to be fifteen eighteen or Thirty to do that you do that the rest of your life. I just like to be better on my 84th birthday than it was on birth. 83rd in certain things within my life, you know and and it can happen I think for you the people that are really good at what they do. They're resilient enough to say like I'm going to set an egg timer with this disappointment and when that's over I'm going to move right on Turn the Page and keep going because yeah more opportunity ahead of you than money. You know, that's one reason. I left a coaching in eighty-two I got so I did a very very poor job of that. I would blame the loss on Sunday to something on I did rather than the overall package or why we lost well, maybe we got beat by a better team or a guy fumbles the ball he fumbles the ball or a guy throws an interception I would fight I should have run a running play. He wouldn't, you know wouldn't throw an interception all these things and they build up so pretty quick. You're not handling the loss properly because it's a distraction from preparation to do something better next week, and I it was a snowball effect on me. I mean it just wage. Really bother me and I can remember we were in Dallas and we beat Dallas, you know, it was a second time. We beat Dallas in Dallas and we're Landing in Philadelphia that night off and I'm I got my notes out of my lab working on next week and all that and Carol looked at me and she said by God, why did you check a minute and just enjoy the fact that you won and I got so the the joy of winning didn't last very long because I was moving my thinking to the next challenge too soon before I relaxed and really enjoyed it. Then when I would lose I couldn't get over the loss because I kept going evaluating why we lost and what I could have done as a coach to have prevented, you know, and and that you start doing that. I'll tell you it's snowballed on me. It just wore me out so codes for dying light off. Yeah, yeah, you moved from the Eagles. So there you have some some, you know, at the end of your Eagles coaching career that had to be tough for you because you fell in love with the city the city loved you and and Thursday as we know a lot of coaches will move on and then you go to Saint Louis. So tell us what you took the Saint Louis of all those things you learned from, Philadelphia. Well first off I Gus I took a way to coach a football team in 1980 with me back in nineteen seventy and nineteen ninety seven. Okay. Nobody was doing it that way anymore guys would come to our training camp visiting college coaches and they're good travel around the track during the training camp season and then their college season starts later and they would always come up to me saccoccia. I was so and so practiced alot last couple of days. I was over here, and not there. It's not a bulb football practice. You're running here. I said, I don't know any other way to do it. The only way to take better, you know, there's there's like I say money's heard me say there's no correlation between working list and getting better never has been never will be right. You know what nobody? Yeah. I took the ability gotta do big things. I took the ability to when I walked away. And the went home or off season for relax and enjoy that kind of time and we won the ball game. I enjoyed the bus ride from the stadium to the airport to the flight home divorced day of the week and then I started preparing the next game, you know, and I I didn't dwell on why we lost I was dwelling on getting ready to do the next thing we have to do better, you know, well, you know coach you talk about, you know, if you would have had that talent in nineteen seventy-nine, you know, when you went and played the Raiders wage. Now you have a talent in Saint Louis, you know, you have some amazing talent and then you have Trent green as your quarterback who I've known Trent four years. We were together at the Redskins and then he goes down and then the additional roller coaster that you go through with your team to find the next quarterback and Kurt Warner steps up. So tell us a little bit about that Journey for you when when you know, the pieces are there and then one piece goes down how long How do you deal with that? Well, you know we dealt with it. The only way we could we didn't have much of a choice but we had Kurt there and once I learned in not being my own quarterback coach a known offensive coordinator and calling my own place when you're on the practice field. You see more right? I would see every player every day do everything and I'm I'm standing on the defensive secondary during a defensive. With Kurt Warner running the opponent's offense as the quarterback and he's eating Us Alive throwing the ball off and I would walk off the field and I'd say to my defensive coaches Eve either. We are terrible on defense or this particular play, but you tend you tend to have an attitude coach in the NFL as well. It's there's no way he'd ever do that and wife situation in a game. He's just running the plays off a card, you know, no way that anyone could do that, you know dead. But you know sooner or later, I noticed things for example guess you'd appreciate that. They would have a past pattern on a card and circled to where they wanted the ball thrown against defense our defense. Yeah. I hate that. But yeah, I get Kurt would go back drop look boom. Boom and he throw it to the open guy over here to the left. You know, Twenty Yards away from where he was supposed to talk to go choose what you know, come on say company was covered. I went over here, you know, he just, you know, some things some people just see that and that and they have that page stink terribly approach or feel that they can do it without really thinking about they just do it, you know, and that's what's really started separating him as he got the opportunity to play. You know, it's amazing. If you look at his for his first five games are the finest first five games ever played by a quarterback in history Blake. Yep. Was incredible. Yes, you know and talking to me interested in this and talking to I've been invited to the leadership College in Lexus and Kansas where they train for military leadership in the military base there and they have leadership programs going on all the time and am trying to determine what makes a person become a medal of honor winner. Because first off they come all different sizes shapes and frames in mind all that and they're trying to do it so they could do a better job of teaching these qualities when young military kids come off the programs and it's the same thing with the quarterback, you know guys become Hall of Famers that they never, you know, Kurt Warner's are perfect example. He's a medal of honor winner from a football standpoint. No one expected him to do that. He did it, you know guys that throw themselves on hand grenades and when the middle of honour yes, they're gone, but no one expected her or trained him to do it. It just something compels them to do this the wrong things right at the right time and that's what was Kurt plus. He was extremely accurate off-balance. He didn't have to have everything perfect. Now I listen to his, this weekend. I laugh at it. Well, jeez. He didn't have his feet right. He just, you know, there isn't a defensive lineman designed to allow the quarterback to have I speak with regarding a promotion if you're playing against Aaron Donald G yeah, oh yeah. He's the best. He's absolutely unfair that they shouldn't compare him with anybody else because No One Compares with him. I watched him Monday Sunday night my gosh. I've watched other defensive tackles that make as much money. They don't play like he does know know, you know and coaching you look at Patrick Mahomes and I think when you were talking about that, that's who comes to mind just thrown off balance right now with these different know he is Kurt Warner, but with more athletic ability, I don't know if he throws the ball any better, but he has more innate athletic ability movement skills and flexibility and you almost home. Hope when you're playing against Patrick homes, you don't create a broken play for him to go beat you on. You know, you're always better let them execute perfectly and try to defense rather wage and create havoc in his face and him get out of there and and boom threw a touchdown pass to somebody wasn't supposed to you know, not just him and I don't think you can coach all those secondary reactions. I think they've just sort of come to you, you know, well hey morning before I know you have another question. But before you go coach if you see what Patrick Mahomes his contract he just got and you think about when you first started coaching at the Eagles and how the times have changed that you got into the NFL, it's kind of flabbergasting to just kind of understand how that went. Because I have a lot of friends that were older you get all these old Steelers that I know that cuz I live here in Pittsburgh and I do charity golf tournaments with them and you just hear them sharpen about that all the time it and it's insane. Yeah. Well if you know it fits off A TV dollar, you don't really really does but I coach you know, when I left UCLA, I was making $30,000 a year now where they picked you up for a million five million. I don't know off and just a product of our times when I coach I coach the Eagles for seven years made $450,000 total but I had deferred compensation that that wage. I thought it was great. And I've got a $20,000 raise a minute. I signed the contract that was big money in those days and I wasn't underpaid I was paid better than the average coach in the NFL at that time and they didn't have deferred compensation and they didn't have Leonard tose to cover up mistakes you made financially and he paid for him. Okay, so, you know, it's different. Yeah, I I sell you should say it's about time they start paying the coaches, you know, the first guy that gets fired when teams lose the coach if he's at important then you ought to pay him that way if he's the most important. He's the reason wage. You lose and he might be part or a big biggest percentage of the reason you win guys like Don Shula it Bill Walsh forced ownership to start paying a difference makers because they found out that a coach could come to a program that's been losing and change it changed the community changed the culture on the team and changed the win-loss record and they said well my God, you know, I had I had three coaches or NFL Hall of Fame right now to have told me in the old days coaching football coaching positions off in the NFL are are something the owners look for is they have to have it because it's mandatory they they would just as soon not allow the coach to become the figure out of the organization. So that wasn't my case with Leonard those but there have been coaches, you know that had coached in that environment, you know that yes, so when all of a sudden they started a new club More it's because guys proved that they could go somewhere and change at all and just change it all dramatically. You know, Sean Payton is done in New Orleans and you've done so much off the field coach, you know, your empathetic heart radiates. So, I mean, I think that you know, you're so charitable what drives you to want to give back off the football field. What are some of the things that make you feel compelled to do that? Well, you know, I have an unbelievable respect for the blue collar worker to my family. My dad was a black our work agree. She and I never saw him with Clean Hands until we buried him. Okay at Seventy-Six years old with the guide of cancer of the pancreas, but he was always greasy always dirty always working seven days a week. It might our family never went on a vacation. So and I see hard-working people. I have great compassion for him and log, Get a I see how I was raised. I see people that I was raised by that were friends of my family like my wife's family and the Freddy any family is people that are all grow up I grew up when I'm still affiliated with these families, but their other Generations is that I just identify with him much more than I do somebody else way up in the upper class. Now, I respect them and I like to be around people that have been extremely successful financially in every way because I just like seeing how how they do it, you know wasn't an active or was it a gift or did they inherited it, you know more often or not. It was because they were honest and worked hard, you know. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and and I know you know, I forward to view emails from people saying oh coach for me all did this for me and coach for meal. So you have almost such a a touch that everybody feels connected to you and you given birth So much certainly in the city of Philadelphia, whether it's the wrong McDonald House or finding time as you're walking through a hospital and somebody will fly you down and say coach my mother sick. Will you come say hi and it's really amazing. You put all your energy into stopping and making people feel good about themselves because obviously you really like yourself too and you have confidence in your own skills. And that's really just so refreshing and so unique and what makes like all the Gratitude attitude if you're really grateful if you really sincerely grateful for everything is that regardless of took a lot of money whatever it is. If you're like, we just lost our entire red wine crop in the Napa Valley due to this week. Okay, no red wine for 2020 off Carol's first comment to me as I'm about ready to cry on my shoulder her shoulder. She says, you know, did we ought to be grateful? We didn't we didn't know one's house burned down the vineyard didn't get burn up. You know, it's not in Flames like a lot of people out there are experiments. And so, you know, she's right. You gotta be if you remain like I say gratitude attitude, you can make a positive out of a negative you keep adding the negatives to it. It pulls you down. You don't look forward to getting up in the morning. You know, you really don't and off. I see another people traits all the time that I appreciate and they don't ignore evaluators, you know, you know, if if you go to a a market in the teller wage is you leave The Institute what a great legacy was, you know, and you can leave another in the same building and what what a pain as us, you know, right? So I just I just believe that that that you went and also like believe when you recognize something you really appreciate it. You better let the person that stimulated that thought know. Yeah, you know, I've said that many yup said many times Buenas of new really good at what you do and they look at it. You know Thursday. Yeah. Yeah. I always have a little test crash when I go somewhere. Yeah, they go so far morning and Coach. I love to open doors for people to see how they react if they said thank you or they appreciate or maybe they'll they'll carry on it to somebody else, you know, and and that just kind of lets you know, like when my wife and I go all over the country like you do coach we do that all the time just to see the reaction and the people that are around some people don't say anything some people are very grateful and and really stand stop and talk to you and it's just a way to something small gestures like that that my dad always drilled into my head that you should be grateful and help other people, you know, give you a story on Kurt Warner. He first comes into the league he's dead. Minimum showering as my third quarter back in nineteen. Ninety eight. Okay, and all of a sudden he's making 340,000 whether it was at that time. I'm either rich man in his mind. He and his wife would go out to dinner and invariably he would look around the room and he would pick up somebody sitting there with their children's check and log in as you walked out honest-to-god not once often often. So, you know, that's the great example. I can give you what you're talking about a person actually being truly grateful for his opportunity and spread that gratitude to somebody who doesn't even know, you know, amazing always say suggesting is not a sign of weakness know remember my grandma was his saying with civility is not a sign of weakness. So I think that those are great less. Well, you should stay off. Your use that room the term. Well, it is really improving. I've said God is really improving and I heard me say that, Gotti really unproven and say, you know sitting home, you know, you can die of improvement. You said my own father died of improvement. This is he told me on your great-grandfather. He would see him when he was real and the doctors would say use improving then he passed on like like your grandfather said he died from Improvement, right? Oh my goodness. That's a good song. Yeah. It's a good lesson Improvement. I mean we have to really make the action happen not your grandfather used to say in Carroll had this sticker on the refrigerator four years. There are givers and there are takers Benadryl. That's that's how he that's why I love to give somebody out of a hundred dollar bill and never saw one before dead. What's interesting to me is that you've dealt with owners right you had to deal with owners as the head coach and GM's and you have to deal with every side of it as being a head coach. And so that's when you were with Leonard for all those years, you know, and and then you go on to the Rams and then the Chiefs and and you have different owners and different, you know, not only different players, but you have to deal with the front office people as well so long. What did you learn from? A marnie's grandfather that you took with you through all those other place all other stops that you had Well Leonard had been firing people in leadership positions here for a while because they weren't getting good results and he's impulsive fire movement get him out of there Pete retzlaff coaches in this kind of stuff and I felt if I'm going to be successful here. I better get to know this guy. I better develop a relationship with and as I got to know him, I better understood him. The other thing he would do in the off-season month year because you don't coach a game you get there in January or February. You don't coach a game until September. So you're there in your office all the time. And mr. Toews is officers right across a huff on me and I'm off Friday night is boy. You're going home boy your your the weekends free. You're going to go home and relax and I'd be walking out. It says stop and have a drink with me. So I'd sit in her. I hated Scott. Okay. I did not like I learned to like Scotch because I pretended to like Scott's to have a common Conversation Piece with Leonard dead. What do you think of that Scotch? Oh, I love it. I love it. That dors is really good down here. I don't know I hated it it just oh I get home. I said Carol, I drive thru scotches when I get home is terrible. Now. My meaning drink is Scott and I'll tell you I don't think I ever drink a scotch without thinking of mr. Toews, you know, really develop, you know, I'm the only guy that's in the history of the NFL teams and never got fired. Maybe I left prematurely but I never got fired and but I had a great relationship with each owner and when coaches asked me, what's the first thing out how to do I always say coach the owner because he's going to be sitting in the pressbox with everybody thinks he knows everything and all they're going to hear about our when it's bad bad bad things that manage the coaches fault. It's amazing Doug Peterson loses again, they forget he won the Super Bowl, you know, it's amazing. Oh, yeah, so I I made an effort. I made a real effort dead. To be in the owner's office when they were in towns that Saint Louis the owner's office was not even in town and in Kansas City, the owner's office was in Texas, but I made an effort to build page create a positive relationship with so when I told him something they really believed in what I said and my process that I was applying to what I was trying to do and if they really be unlocked to go on vacation Leonard would take us on a vacation to get me out of building, you know, and then he take our kids along to you know, and and we would have a great time. We would have a great time you go back to work. So, you know, he knew all my strengths and weaknesses and he I knew his and I know certain areas where I don't go I can remember so distinctive walking in his office one day and I'd say mister Toews. I got this problem and he looked me right up. He looked up over his desk and he says off. Is Dick I heard you to handle the problems just really says I don't need to be hail on these problems. That's your job. So I could go to Jim Murray and Jim Murray, you know, he should have been the Pope's offensive coordinator, but right we saw problems together, you know, he said I don't need the aggravation would be mr. Joseph, I don't need the aggravation. I got too many other things going on. And so that really freed me up. It's the Saint Louis Georgia. I knew her because I had worked the one that first year that the rosenbloom's took over the Rams. I had worked there and when they fired the head coach They asked me to stay and mr. Rosenblum said to me, you know, if you were older I'd make you my head coach. That's exactly what it's did. So years later, I became his wife had goats. Okay, it's Louis and in in Kansas city was Lamar Hunt. There's no finer man had ever held that position as a lead NFL owner you talk about, you know, Billionaire song humble, you know at Thrifty not a big spender, but just a sincere wonderful human being really I think one of the all-time great guys, but you know, if you don't spend time with your owner, you don't get to find these things out you really don't yeah, you know, and I heard that Georgia she loved to eat dinner really late. So did you get your young dinners late with her boss? Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you a story. This is true. This is 1999 our last year and we're starting to get good. Georgia would go to wait game. She'd fly into st. Louis been a couple of days off. And fly with the team and she would send after almost. I don't know how many times we'd be landing in the Saint Louis. And then we're going to land at 7:00 8:00 5:00, whatever and she asked me to go have dinner with her and I'd always say Georgia. I gotta be in the office to warning 7:00. We just lost a game where we just well I got I just can't go out to dinner. I've got to go to work. So I you know the third year in it and we've beaten a few teams and we're really playing well and she comes up to me and she's hurt exact comment. I suppose you won't have dinner with me tonight when we land mag. Aral hits me in the arm. Oh, no, I'll do it George. You're right money 9:00 Sunday night. We're in the restaurant that had closed. Okay was closed at opened it for her off and it was I mean, it's set it up like the Queen of England was coming in and she sit back at a table and you'd have to have a martini with her. She loved her martini and her dog. Significant other was a great guy a big reinforcement guy and we did it but it took me three years before I did it but actually Tara was the one said you better to it. Yes, you developing relationships you develop these relationships and you never forget those. I think I think about the relationships more than I do the games. Yeah, I'm the same way on the same way coach really quick tell us about before we get into our our last segment our 2-minute drill, but tell us about how you took off all your experience and football and coaching and Leadership into the making of wine and the wine business. Well first off the wine business became a natural to me, I grew up course in Calistoga and my grandfather Vermeil made all our family wine my great-grandfather and the Italian side got a ball. Do I carry own a portion of the Freddy an Avenger game which we get our grapes today? Okay, and so my grandfather Vermeil would make wine and as I got a little older than my brother and I would be assigned to help and doing the physical stuff. It wasn't tough for anything. But I developed the interest then the communication at the dinner table and the holidays and everything the conversations always centered around my grandfather's wine. In this vintage compared to this vintage and The Taste the aroma and all these different things that fascinated me and he'll if I wanted a glass of wine at ten years old and the dinner table. I had a glass of wine. It was expecting, you know. So, you know, that's how I developed the interest and then my dad's best friend was Gene. Frediani. My dad didn't hunt. Jean was a hunter took me as a kid. So we developed a really good relationship and he built a small Family Vineyard into 178 your Vineyard as it exists today in Calistoga part of it in this city limits, you know, it's a gold mine said no right now, there's any Grace because they're all tainted due to the Smoke as I said. Anyway, that's how I developed the interest in why I started making wine as a hobby with friends that I grew up with a new the Freddy any family and the son-in-law had a little Winery. I asked him to to make some Jean-Louis Vermeil Cabernet. That was my dad's name and my great-grandfather's name from France said I'd like to put that on a dog. Would because one was always a symbol within our family of something. That's really good. Anyway, right the guy did it we made about a hundred and fifty cases and I had no money in it. He sold it as his Cabernet made by on the edge one repulse MIT. Well, we were in the Super Bowl 99. He sold off a hundred fifty cases in other than what I and I paid retail price for what I bought out because he paid for em, and boom has gone. So he said he'll let's do this again. So we get it again and I'm out of coaching and we did it again and we just kept doing it that way all the way till 2008. In fact last night. I shared a bottle of 2002 John Lee Vermeil Cabernet had totally different label and everything and not nearly as sophisticated a process as is today, but it was an outstanding class at one time. We had it for dinner last night. Anyway, my friends came in with real money who don't like don't mind losing it and said, let's turn your hobby into a full-fledged business. You have all the connections, so they off. Well their first thought they get on their private jet. We fly to Napa Valley. We look at Vineyards to buy and wineries to buy and and all of a sudden they start putting the numbers together and said, you know something maybe we ought to just downgrade from finding any Vineyard. Okay, that's you don't have to do all the service work just pay for the great right don't have to own the land and pay the taxes and they said well, we rather than buying em. Why don't we custom Crush like a lot of these top wineries do a lot of people do you you rent their facilities and use them in your winemaker goes there and work is that that's good. So we're still in that process. Okay, and that's a good thing. We did at that way though. You have to we had purchased the one place that we really seriously looked at purchasing that a home on and had a 10-acre Cabernet Vineyard and all that. They turned it down by at these guys had the money to buy it. They didn't buy it. It's worth about four times at a much today if you talk about it amazing, cuz you know, I feel really bad for all those people think we really yeah the only thing dead Really owners the label and the process and the business routine and that but we have yet to break even in the business and but that might Partners one of us one of my closest girlfriends is not going to allow us to fail our wines are reaching very high quality high quality wines, and then we don't make a lot of it. But right now we can't sell it because we're not open. So it's online scheduling is going better than it ever has which when we are able to open up will help us get at least break even have an 8:00 next season, you know something like right, right, but, you know, you're probably around the way the Super Bowl was going great guns in January and February but while it would in the toilet, well we had back in the wine business and I often think now we won't have a 2020. I don't know what we're going to do. We haven't figured that out yet. You'll figure it out. I'm sure you know how to win coach and I'm sure that you're going to pull your team through, you know, it would be a lot easier in the wage. And just if I were in the Napa Valley, right, right, Philadelphia There's No, Vin and miles away, you know and you know, there was a time I wouldn't mind going back at all. But if I were there down in the valley, it would be easy for me to sell the wine. I am never poured the one for somebody that didn't like it. Okay, right and the big thing is to get the right people in there to port to which if I were them I'd be able to do it but doing it from here. I've got a hundred and two wine club members in Philadelphia. I have more wine club members in Philadelphia than we have in the state of California. Okay. I'm there. I'm here. I cancel five wine events in the last two months. I've got six on the schedule coming up here. I can sell it if I can get the people there, you know, but any well, hopefully I can get anyone something Pittsburgh going. Yeah a lot tougher than the NFL you talk about Pittsburgh Chuck. Noah was a much more knowledgeable wine taster than me page. At the palette, you know, he was a wine nut. He used to Chuck what he fly in California. He would he would fly back with Napa Valley Wines on his plane the team played one time. We're off. We're playing Chuck Noll. Okay here in a preseason game and before the game. I sent over a box of a variety of Napa Valley high quality wines. Now, I wasn't in the wine business then but I could always get off. I wanted I said put it in his locker as a gift because I knew he's a wine nut and we beat the hell out of him the preseason game and by Waka meet him at Midfield. He grabs my hand. He said Renee don't ever set me up with a case of wine again. I sent a lot of our Vermeil wine to Chuck before he passed away, even though he had Alzheimer. He still had a he still liked wine in his and his wife would work for him. Yeah. Yeah. I usually have a cover to every night at dinner as well. So hey coach we're going to suck. Our 2-minute drill real quick. So he seminar put that 2 minutes up for Coach. You ready to go Marty? I'm ready. All right, coach really quick. Would you rather have a gas or electric car? Yes. All right, coach your hidden talents barbecuer. What's your biggest pet? Peeve people that are lazy? Yeah your favorite charity. Chester County Boy Scouts and the Children's Hospital Love it. Love it. All right, coach hot or cold. Which one do you prefer? at All right. How about your favorite quarterback great. Love it. Love it. I coach if you could change places for one day with a person who would that person be? Trump That's a good one. What about your scariest moments? my scariest instant moment was about a month ago. We had a lightning storm out here in the country and a lightning bolt. I was in the garage at 6:00 at night and a lightning bolt hit right near it off knock the lights out of the garage and I have never heard an explosion like that in my life. I don't know what a bomb sounds like it when you're near it. But it just I mean I just it scared the hell out of me. It really did. I I didn't I would look there I could see was dark and I'd I expected to see flames and everything else going and that, you know, it was probably not twenty-five yards away. But with the whole everything we have out here and they're building is grounded because we do get lightning storms, right? It doesn't muffle the noise, right? All right coach we know you like wine. But what is your favorite flavor of ice cream? Lately, it's anything with coconut in it. Oh, that's a new one. Coconut. I like it. All right. Last one morning. We're gonna keep the field goal here. Okay, wait a minute. I'm still going behind the behind the behind the curtain here. All right. What about your favorite sports movie? I I think the one about the hockey team when we won the Olympics with the nearest. Yeah, you know, I mean invisible one time. Yeah, I seen as I said, you know through John Woods advice. I don't go back and read stuff look at stuff. I don't like to see myself. Okay, and I really enjoyed the movie. I thought they did a very good job of the quality of the movie and I see bench all the time. But the the the hockey story was unbelievable. Yeah, that was that was a great story the speech everything. It's just sneezing. It's an amazing movie so coach that was our 2-minute drill. We didn't make it in the end zone but we kicked a field goal. I'm sure that you felt that a few times in your order people do that a samaung you to James around tonight, right? So coach please let all our fans know how they can follow you or find you where where they can go maybe to buy your wine. Well, I know I don't have anything ever me a wines. Just Google for Mia wines. That's our website. Okay, I'm not on Instagram. I have an Instagram that they put up from lunch. I don't use it. I use any of that stuff. Okay, but my my email address is r a v coach at comcast.net. Okay. My cell phone is 615-638-8807. And I'm here and I'm always well, I'm surprised your van kids have everything on everything yet. Cuz my calendar and I I do those kind of things but I'm not I don't that's your best way to contact me. All right. Well, hey coach. We really appreciate you Marty any last words for Coach know other than just thank you coach, you know, you're such an inspiration and I'm so grateful. I you know took me whenever I see your name pop up on my phone. It's it's like oh my gosh coach. I mean that is I'm very fortunate and I know you've influenced so many people and thank you for that. Just thank you for that gift and thank you for saying yes and making the decision to move to Philadelphia all those years ago. Thank you. Well, thank you to yours. We always have been hi coach a thank you for all the hard work that you get into the NFL to everyone and thank you for joining us on huddle up with Gus. We really appreciate your time. All right, you take care of both you bye-bye. All right. Thank you. Bye. That's our show everyone. You can find us on radio.com or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. Check us out on 1631 digital news and everyone. Have a great day and And thank you for joining Dave & I in the Huddle. We hope you enjoyed our podcast. 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TCF Ep. 523 - Hernan Rodriguez

The Candid Frame

54:15 min | 4 months ago

TCF Ep. 523 - Hernan Rodriguez

"There is a big reason why I don't make equipment and technique a big point of discussion on my show. I know it's important, but such discussions can lead down a rabbit hole where the choice of Lens lighting equipment. Carries more weight than it actually does or should. There are countless photographers who use virtually the same equipment, but produce significantly different results. Some would attribute differences matters of talent, but I've come to believe that it's more about intention imagination playfulness. And the willingness to take risks. Her Non Rodriguez is a celebrity portrait photographer who was crafted his own personal approach to making photographs. He possesses a masterly understanding of light and color, but there's more to his photography than that. He gets that. Each encounter is as unique as his subject and his approach reflects. There is nothing cookie-cutter about Hernando approach, which makes both his work and the man so special. This is your body and annex and welcome back to the candidate frame. How have you been making use of this of his time I? Think you know the first few few ways for just the adjustment trying to find while they cancel, everything had probably like seven workshops nationally one international, so I went back to just doing a lateral. Art School just reading a lot of like my renaissance book, a lot of painters, a lot of the things that took back to would made me see what I see and I'd appreciate. It was grade lots of research a lot of reading. Yeah and I. I think you know just pause not to be brushing because you know. Sometimes, we stop educating ourselves as photographers. Chasing the next job. We're doing the retouching where production number like well. You can't just lounge around during times like these and. Lament the fact of what the things you can't do. Absolutely, then you go back. You're going to God all that time. I had and I just wasted it. Yeah, absolutely I hope you came right. He took advantage of your time. Yeah, yeah, enshrined in educating myself as as much as possible rivalry. Reading nonfiction writing some fiction that I had longed intended to catch up on riding it also just relaxing. Working Scud Barry. Thank you. Work I was just read. Spent some time circuited there in my down. Well it's fun. It's fun for me and you know it's always been a part of my life, and luckily I've always been able to shoot, but I'd like to shoot right. You know so, that's it's and but you were just mentioning going to art school and looking at your organ and Willie interesting things I learned from us that you really started your creativity in terms of drawing and your dad was an artist I don't know if he was professional or enthusiasts, but told me about those years here. That's a my dad grew up as a technical engineer, and then he worked as an illustrator for narrow space company. You know he had the mathematics and. A lot of linear art. He spent time on his side. Job was just in renaissance replicas paintings, so I spent hours of looking. You know that the word behind it just from a clean canvas to. Putting layers and layers of of color and undertones of shadows. You know so all these things. Sad that I think you know and it's funny because as a photographer when I teach or what have to write an article, it's so intuitive because it's the fabric of would've seen my tire. Live that go back. Recall like. Why did I do this and I give me an example for instance if you're drawing and I saw. Of The tricks, my dad taught me was like he lets painting Aerob- and some of these renaissance opinion, a robot. You want these rich shadows. He would go with a Sepia tone, which is like a brown undertone as a as your base color, and then you are building blue on top and different shades of blue on the wide for highlights so when when I lied I, see myself going to that I use CPI a filters on my lights as an undertone, and then I started i. started adding opposite color. Rarely do I why I. I liked White Light. So. Everything has some type of undertone. I think just that influence on seeing that with my father and seeing color come to live on, and seemed like the shape of the anatomy unseen because then I decided to. You know I think when I was five years old I knew this is what I want to do. My entire life and I I just started honing in what came naturally to me. If I could put it that way. Makes a lot of sense in terms of how you learned color in that way. Would you see your dad doing something and ask him will? How do you do that or where? You were observing him and sort of experimenting on your own? You. Know the first thing I saw you. Hardly, education exciting. Part of Party education, just looking and we as photographers have to really built at that muscle you know. To sit back and observe behaves how transitions held values change. I think when I first started looking learning about color. I just saw the magic happen for instance if I saw this blue like blue paint on canvas, and all of a sudden I saw these creases in the shadows, just building up and then these highlights. Reparation happening I decided in front of my eyes so I was I, was fascinated, and then I would ask my father. How do you do this and he was? He was really patient that he was really patient with Mandy he taught me how to how to build it up how to build it up. And how'd you know it's incremental? So you just don't put just white light for a highlight paint for a highlight you start putting a little bit of of highlights and start building more highlights and start separating even more so if you think about photography, it's not any different. Highlighted. Somebody you just you know. Don't put you know. There's not a formula to say. Oh, you're just one stop brighter on on an accent, light or highlight because you have to look at the parameters, and if you have a site, that's really dark and shadowed. Then you don't go one. Stop Brighter, you go. You know half stop last because it's GonNa show that much more, so it's not any different than painting you got. It's almost case you know just applied a layer and see what happens, and that's what I started saying. You know and there's different principles in in in color. You have pigment that mixed together. You got additive color and subtractive color. You know and. An Arts. It's a mix of yellow, red and blue with these three colors. You create every single color in the spectrum. Someone started seeing him mixing light for instance a yellow with with the green. Then you got a gray start building in creating a gray color in all these different things by adding blue, so I think the more I was understanding. What was happening in front of me. The more questions I could ask. And that's what happens to us. Sometimes it's photographers, you know our vision is so far beyond what we could implement or are really execute. And that's part of the part of the craft is looking at the vision seen what you want, and then you know finding the ways to do it an approach that you're really loved the way that you use color and how you play off the skin tones, the clothing people wearing the background and the way you're describing. It makes a lot more sense. What I was looking at when I was looking at your work right right and I was having a conversation with some people this past weekend about how a lot of photographers work from the equipment forward, so there's even I can explain. This is that they'll think about how the equipment is designed to work. And Ville use it in just that way so whether it's a soft box or an act, OCTA or an umbrella. They've learned. This is the way that you use it. And basically they work from there and the way I'm hearing you is that you will use those same tools, but you're coming from a very different starting point. You're thinking about how you want the color to look, and you are using those tools to get to that, and you're not just being limited by how a manufacturer has advertised particular product. That's observation because I actually give that in my lectures. Map. Often like what's your to go to you know? What's your go to modifier? And I can't say there's a specific thing that I just go to a socks for instance. I I rarely off boxes, but when I do use off boxes, and this is the point you're making straight out of the box. It's San with modifier, and the inner, Babbel's either white, which gives it a softer transition in the skin tones if they were silver becomes more reflective more. More more. No, more a pop for me I do like somewhere in the middle you know, and I always look for modifiers that allow me to create that so even the actual diffusion material in front of that Softbank's. I don't like that just opaque white. So this is a decision that one of my Westcott makes like onion skin is like super, super translucent. It's almost like you're putting onion skin on paper, light and passes. It just cuts just that enough light that up I'm looking. Looking for because anymore pay it becomes like this peachy soft portrait, which sometimes is good, it depends what is four, but I I like a little more and more pop out so I, either create or use an inner silver bath start modifying with those approaches, sometimes I'm not even use a diffusion material I'll get this material called oboe made by Roscoe, and it's like this sheet of tracing paper. And I started building layers of it. Let's say because you know at. Any art. The is drawn to the bride as part of an image so everything's kind of dark and low key. You're calculating on what they're wearing. The background and everything the drawn to veer by putting that light placement and value in the contrast and quality that lights to debase which is report portraiture is would begin with the face, and we go forward, but then if it's too bright, it's takes away too much is distracting if it's too soft and two Somalis looking that medium and there and that's how I do it. It I put tracing paper. Sometimes I'll use a black talk. I started creating halfway down the soft box. You know cutting that layer because lied still passes through there, still some type of gradation, and I try to do everything in camera, and like you're saying there's nothing straight out of the box and say here's a soft box. This is the manufacturer created a news it because that's not any different than it's just really a glamorize canda shot. You know if you don't know how to use this modifies property correct. When he people may be surprised when they look at your portfolio lacy, a lot of celebrities, sports, figures, and that you get your early start, not as a photographer more of a graphic designer, so you are hiring photographer. At at one so considering you already had a sensitivity to color and light even before you started picking a camera on your own when you were doing the hiring. What were the things that you were looking for in a photographer? When you're on the side of the desk? That says okay. I want to hire this person for creating the work. You know what I think, too. Where the would draw, I looked at tons of portfolio. You know sometimes recreated magazines for electric magazine Men's Fitness Men's journal. I when I would see just these images over and over and over and over. For me would attracted me to a photographer was like something that stopped me from flipping that page I could put it that way so if I'm looking through images, and it's you know something athletic. Everybody believes shots. I just voters this past week with Reggie. Miller for offer for project, but if you're looking through all was in my research, I'm looking at people's work. Work I like to see like. Hey, what's out there? Nothing really stops me. The one said do stop me. Are the ones that like? Wow, you know what's happening here. It's either contrast it's. It's expression. It's value. It's an interesting angle. Something creative. You know so those are the first thing is then I go to see technical attributes, or could this person really? Execute a photo shoot exhibiting an exposed property. What's the quality of the work but I think if it doesn't get to that point I mean and sometimes might see something just like it's beautiful. Everything beautifully led to an everything's just so proper, but then. There's there's nothing there. There's no emotion. There's nothing so I. Think it was a mix of both of that. It had to have that kind of fact while factor you know. And I just competitions for like the WPA, and some of these big federations on until he got to that point of light stop pause even if he was for like two seconds, and then that's my starting point. Okay, let me look at the values and let me look at the. You know but that that to me was one of things so when I became a photographer I. Take that kind of. I applied it to my own work. You I'm super critical and in my own work and sometimes i. kind of keep on going and keep on going with it, but yeah I think that's kind of important for for us as photographers. I heard that one of the things that helped to launch photographic career was a burglary. That was. Found that, but that's that's absolutely. You know it's so funny, because so I did so. The back to the STAR IS A. Hiring we hire Bataga said. I think bounce back from that because I picked up a camera and I told the deputy decorate the company like. This, it's just have a camera. Let's sit in an automatic and let's see what we get and we did it in a project we we did a catalog and we shot everything on automatic. Because we have to vision, we did storyboards than me working with the our director, and back and forth like we. We shot it and that was. It was a fun experience. But during that point I was working as a graphic designer, this affleck for Corona for guess jeans did suffer the Olympics at his body of work and I, just had moved from one location to the other. So all I set up at this location was my computer, my hydro, my scanners and everything and we have constructors immediate construction people coming in and out volume morning was all gone. Everything they wiped away by business overnight and to me was like a pivotal point because I didn't have a backup. That was the truth. Everything I had done to that point with my hard drives I had all my heart my backups there at the location. Back, then you had like a power power Mac. It's not like these I max that I have now. You had a tower and this whole tons of information and I took for granted that that was either. I just pause, take took a pause for two months thinking like. Do I really want to embark bargain? Like a whole journey of my work. Thing I was kind of. Playing around with photography, a little bit, a friend of my call me and said Ernie no word. We need a shooter call photographer. We need a shooter. Is No I. Don't know much about photography, said all you have to do by Tripod. We set it on on the exposure. Just click away. These were We were shooting a prom. Could you believe it for big studio here? On the West Coast? Those Alfred Fabrics think the headline I. Don't know five thousand five thousand students come into the studio. Homework. Volume. It was just volume photography. I loved it. Because part of that was the interaction you had a couple of minutes with each student. that. Personal hired me became my mentor. I didn't even know, but this guy was the president of the PA at the time which I. Don't know what what's the PPA. He took me under his wings. He photograph you know to Maggio. He photographed President Ford he photographed. While known photographer. And I think in making a jump in those two years was invaluable to me because. I think everything to this point of learning composition, collar and learning. What values are paints and pigments, and if you just trauma is since the age of five to this point in these two years under the tutelage of this guy? Kinda put it all together and I. See where my journey was now at this looking looking back in hindsight was like. Wow, this. All that was paving. A great photographer, because putting all that and and applying that it does because we learned anybody can learn photography. Let me tell you something. It's a scale. All it is is studying. You know the technical attributes. Exposure in an F. stops in all these things, dishes numbers. Would you don't learn? Is Your your experience in life you know? Knowing what you are if you're to the arts. To Music of your to you know motorcycle racing. All these things have trained you to this point. You know, a photographer, because then you start kind of applying things that have had trajectory in your life that now you're looking through the scope of a camera, but intuitively you're. You're working from from this place in your life so I mean I think you know Seattle learned the skill, but you know sometimes go outside of photography. Just don't be fixed in photography. You know I look at travel. I look at everything and you know when. It's an intersection of of opportunity in preparation. You get the right job and you're just. You have this vast experience and study of of everything that you could apply to your work now. Ewing that senior portrait gave for about a couple years. You said seniors out and people think they see the work that you're doing now, and they would not see any sort of connection between those those two photographers. But what did you learn? That was invaluable to you from doing that work that you apply today when you photograph celebrities, it is a funny, because my so this guy that my Mansoori I got the job. I didn't know what it. It was right, so I thought about the dance the following week, he said Hey, come in for an interview just because he liked me as a person, so another thing is like you also have to have that personality. You know you just can't be a stiff person in front of a subject. He hired me for the job and he said you know the one discipline all photography to me. That constitutes being a Ruediger. Photographer is a senior portraiture. With that was items anything I said wow, okay, senior portraiture, but I thought there were elders I thought we were going to. Shoot older people I mean Autumn left field. And I asked the guy what is worthy or these people were these. Seniors is like these are schools graduating. These graduates are seniors in high school. It was so true though because. You're dealing with kids who don't want to be in front of a camera right for the most part I mean you've got eighty percent of the kids do not want to be honest. Summer Day in a hot day in a bungalow, a suit taking their pictures, so that's one factor. Then you have because you're doing volume photography. I mean I remember one time shooting. It was a hundred sessions hundred senior court sessions in day seven hours, which was insane. Like how could you do? Seven hundred images so became volume became. You know we had seven minutes each subject, but it teaches you because you have to have that that immediate interaction with the subject. Hey, hey, what do you like? Kids! These kids don't want to be there. You know in some of these guys are like whatever you know what I said, so you can break that. Is You know you don't worry about it? In or whatever? What sports play okay? Do you don't WanNa be? Let's get you out in three minutes. He gave me so. There's something that makes them laugh something that draws him in and dad. You gotta be able to evaluate them. Make a calculation of their anatomy Woodside autograph in Iran and that's your starting point, so were you doing this day in and day out? You know for you know hundred sessions in in one day doing over this for two years a gosh, when I went into the real world into the real world when I went to photograph people who gave me it could have been seven minutes I got Mike. Tyson Vendor Holyfield in. It was like six thirty eight in six minutes and thirty eight seconds because Mike did not want to be there. and to me, it took me back to that place of booed cap, because as he's walking down the door. A meeting him for the first time, and he was so guarded, he said. Who are you where you from? What are you doing here? He's grilling me, you know. So I had to break. That initial is get to meet him. Walk him to the stage where he's going to be sitting with vander and make a contact. Make sure that you know he's going to give me something. That is just not a person sitting in front of a camera with no expression. I apply now I look back and I think I wouldn't be the photographer I am. Today had not gone through that boot camp. In in my career, because now, if somebody gives me an hour, it's like. Oh, my Gosh, you know I could get done in twenty minutes. and. Then it's just having a good time with with the subject, so yeah, absolutely, it's amazing because you have to learn not to be intimidated. Whether it's seven minutes or our. It's like you have to realize that you. You GotTA maintain control. Because as soon as they sense that you don't Oh my gosh, you know. Can you hit you? Hit the nail on the head. Ye could never lose your position as a director in the set. Even if you've lost it, you know you have to go through the motions and be assertive, ambient position of director because that's the respect. People are in a sad and people will hire you be in a position for taking somebody's portrait because they've done their work. They've looked at your website. You've made a contact with them. You've committed to give the giving them a product. Whether it's a wall, portrait or a magazine cover, or just something special for their family. It's it's a mutual commitment between the. Your client, and your and years south, so they're. They're entrusting everything on the in so once you start either and I see a lot of you know. I might have done this in my early career. When you're playing around with the lights, you know your subjects kind of waiting on, you know you're looking on the back of your camera and checking to see what the calculations are and taking a few shots, and or if you lose it, you know if you lose that position of being in as director. Then you're subject. You've lost them and it's very important you know and I think part of that is is doing your homework. Homework on this subject, do your homework as a photographer on your lighting on your skills, you know I always have like even four plants got plan ABC de because most of the time you will be relying on not executing your first plan. You go back to like the lights center work or the subject said he gave me half hour now he's got ten minutes or he's not liking me. You know there's there's some type of friction between me and him, so you end up eighty percent of the time to sitting down without a camera interacting with your subject. Okay I'm sorry. You know what can I do for you? And in the last ten minutes just picking up that camera. Sometimes it happens to me especially in celebrity work I have these really intricate lighting setups, and sometimes I might lie for you know six hours pre light a day before. And then I, find out that the subject scratches everything or I ended up doing the whole fashion with just sitting back with the individual, and then I tell my assistance. Scratch let's go to plan. B., just get get a huge pair wallet and it's happened, you know this is my plan B., so you know I seven foot, parabolic, big light source with silver inner baffle, because it gives me that speculation that pop I could control to change the angle of the light if I. Just WanNa use an edge and create more of a cinematic lighting. I put the light source as close as I can. And I created towards the subject, so it gives me a five different looks with that. That one light and it takes me three minutes to build at set, so had done that. You know because why have to spend the time with the individual, which always is the most important thing in a portrait session I? Don't care who it is. It could be a senior portrait. It could be a couple fiftieth anniversary, or it could be a celebrity. You know that interaction is the value of the portrait adapt. Person is not present there in that image than it's valuable to anybody, so that's that's really critical. 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So, if you enjoy the work doing, please come on board. He's a patriotic supported today. Thank you. I was looking at the images that you made of Nia people's. Haniya. And those are some wonderful photographs because I just love. The diversity of imagery that you got was that all from a single session, although those multiple setups from a single cell, tell me about that. That was all a one day. I think we have probably about maybe six hours. It was a beautiful house appear in the hills. Wilshire. Like this Penthouse, huge huge penthouse with three levels, and ahead of everything I mean it has beautiful vaulted ceilings at a staircase going up. It had this panoramic view on the outside so. She has a contact to. Allowed us to shoot there to replace. Then I also took a couple of seamless like I always go to that classic playing background as well and I think that's an advice I'd give to any photographer. You know it's. It's beautiful to shoot location, but always secure that one shot that's could be just a clean editorial shot on a plane, grey background, plain, white background, even a black background, but secure those shots. You know that's pretty much where we did, but it's funny because I think the magic that happened in that session and I think you know as US photographers. We have our vision. You know we sit back and we. We have our story more or we say like this is what I want to execute. And we close ourselves to the magic that happens outside of of ourselves, you know. I'm a huge collaborated. I'm not selfish when it comes to photography because some of the most brilliant images I have is. You know make a bodice who knows nothing about? Photographer will say like What would it be cool if we just wrapped around and it happens and I don't know decided what image of Nia people's. She has a basket in her head with the disappearance. The back story on this was flooding because her clothes Fred. K Mad and you know he's like a spiritual adviser to her, but gave their close friends, and he's also mutual friend of mine. He does a lot of stuff with the celebrities here now they. They had kind of a riff. That morning. He's like. Oh my gosh did not. We gotTA. We gotTa Horner and Ri- because she's have. It was a great voter shoe. and. He's like you know. She's becoming Adiba so let's less polar BRACCO. So for him, it was a trick like hey, let's just get this basket and just put it on top beheaded Steve pedals. At is kind of trying to play a prank on her, but Isis brilliant I said Oh my gosh like we had to crimson color background. She had these red lipstick in everything. Is I, said this is this is the shot he did it as a joke. I saw it as a hero shot. I said my gosh. This will be amazing. We got these pedals they recalculated. Ri-, while they're falling off her face. And it was, it was a mistaken collaboration, because he started out of a funny plays and we ended up I like this is brilliant and I, told her I said. This is just threw three shots. Get A. Throw it in, and as it is all making her lap, so he's laughing at her I'm laughing with her because we're just having fun. And then I took the shot, and it just happened in know I love shot especially because her laughter is so genuine. is absolutely no you just. Because, you have people who smaller laugh for the camera and it's the face. It's you know it's the expression. They know how to give Ryan. I looked at that nego. That's a sincere moment and I think it's often times the most difficult. Expression to get whether the film someone has celebrity or not just because. A lot of people aren't completely comfortable with the camera or those people who are incredibly comfortable. They exert a certain degree of control so that spontaneity that you as a photographer. What can be kind of elusive? Absolutely you know it's. It's a hundred percent on that because I think that that image on you look at you. Meet her. That's who she is. She's got this infectious smile, and it's very January, so that laugh happened because she was just having a fun time now. One thing wanting that as were. You. Know when we're photographing. Are we having subjects? A lot of it is dialogue. You know understand that it shot would not have happened if we'd just say like Hey ahead over your baskets real quiet. They're side constant dialogue because if I start. Interacting with the subject, and he started sharing something of their childhood or experienced, it had coming over or something. Find that happened along the way subtexts. Aninda risers subtexts. You don't see it. You Ain't gonNA see. The VERES has no the story behind it, but there's some attraction of that portrait that gives you that subtexts like. Oh, my gosh, like that. That small looks so genuine, but if you see the backstory, it was a funny moment. It was just a funny, happy moment, and I just cannot tell okayed smile, big ats, or just laugh on a three laugh big, because there's no information, so there's not a story so as word, dialoguing and I, always constant dialogue with my subject, and when I don't I'm always I'm always question on my approach to posing like depose them. Do you sit them in a certain way? Natural expression is the person the person is going to give you the dialogue, the non communication you know the way, the simply sit here and their release stoic and tall than that's who they are because that's what they're giving me I have subjects like Eddie Griffin Eddie. Griffin was sit back energy cherish slouch. Ian That's who he is, he's inviting you. Meet Him and he's open. He's very approachable in disperse. His personality is really huge so studied this all. All this mannerism because they're they're dictating their guided me along the process of what they're giving me, and all I do is refine the poses, so somebody's sitting way back I'm GonNa take a former apart looking up somebody's nose, you know so. I said Hey, just kind of leaned forward that that attitude just kind of like back and just kind of so small refinements set star from a place of a natural place for that subject then I just do. I think it comes back from for my study within. The confines of Natural Classic Portraiture. Because you know I I, think it's very valuable learning those the structure of where to put the hats, and not to show the front of the Han you not to shoot a woman from tool bonengel. That's all fine and Dandy. No, it's good to know these rules, but loosely you know it's good to know these rules. Just so you know. Have some parameters were to were to start where to gauge? But you know they say not to photograph a woman from a low angle because strong, it makes them look to stoic while photograph Helen Reddy who had like three three grammys that she was doing something for a United States postal stamp here? You know she's a strong woman. She has seen national anthem song in the White. House for I am woman. Woman hear me roar. That was the natural women's Lib is song so part of that is what how do I create strength for a woman on a plane, grey background with just a black shirt while I think part of that is my camera angle if I make her look strong, stoic and Harvard, just look into my camera, but pass my camera. Create a strong image in would have been just a static place in our, which is a static background, so I think that's that's for us. As photographers learned, the regulations learned the rules learned compositional. But there are no rules in good photography. If I could put it that way. Yeah, this somebody's been judging photography. What's interesting about the nature of of your businesses that this is commissioned work from the celebrity and and their people? It's not so much that you're shooting for the purposes of a memo magazine, article or something they. The image images may be used for that. It may be used for publicity for book cover of variety of different things, which is sort of a unique niche. How did you find that pocket for yourself as a photographer good? He did their homework because you're absolutely right now. Many people know that you know I did. I did start out and I don't even have an agent to this point, which is, it's pretty difficult to you know to advanced so much in in celebrity work commercial work without having an agent. It's it's. It's a hard place to be because you have to do. A lot of you know knocking on doors and doing you know. For to the pavement. I was pretty fortunate because I think when I embarked on this journey i. think that's exactly what I said as target. I said this is what I WANNA. Do I WANNA pursue this type of work celebrity work. I want to do editorial work. But it became a place, and I think it was a ripple effect. It's kind of disease. I planet were pretty much. A one on one relationship with with an agent. We're contacting agency I would cold. Call you know. Let's see William Morris Call William in Tennessee and I said Hey, listen. I would like to photograph some of your musicians. Said Hey. You know and I. Think part of this. You have to be prepared your website. Your body work has to be ready for you to display anti show because first impressions in this industry is one time you know. What I'm to say. What's you like your work for instance? Tell you when I and I'm critical, I saw you work. Wow, this is beautiful work man. You gotta be proud of your work. Because it's point. The lighting is just cleaned. Chris work, you know and I. Get a feel for you. Your personnel gets issue for us of photographer both as your personality for just by looking at your work for a couple of minutes, so thank you, you know, and that's just one. One time. That's first impression. You can't go back and sail her now. What would I try to do this distinct within the lines of days? No, no, no, they're going to say. What's your website? Show me who you are so I start making these calls, but you know backtracking. I knew that that was my target, but would I have to do to get to. That plays while I need a good body of work. Just show if you have six pieces, show your six good pieces. Instead of having twenty pieces of you know six good an fourteen mediocre. I! Take it all out and just put your. Work! And then and NGO. Oh, they said Hey, we. We like your work that it condemned. Connect you with an agent who does up and coming actors in La. And that's how I started so I started working with waiting one agency. Then I started working with this land agency here in Burbank. Disguised was in charge of like Hooghly Glasgow reggae glass. He has ricky Martin but work. They will call you know they were just. You know kept when you started out. You have to pay your dues. You just Kinda. Go to say you know I'm here to photograph a magazine. You know you're sitting down at a red carpet. I don't do red carpet events. Now Upjohn may be in the past few years, maybe in the past ten years of democracy to red carpets, but as a favor because somebody it's a relationship. I have with an agent and they said. Can you cover my celebrity? Status Place with Paparazzi you should, but it's. It's customer relations. There now it's a it's. It's mutual. Respect a relationship that we both half. entrusted celebrities to me now I helped him out. When need their time of need? Like? Hey, what do you need? What can charge them I mean? Why would it put a whatever money value on something that would they would say like. Why would you mean you're charging me, but we're you know we're giving you the bigger fish at all, so you have to be very discerning. You have to be very wise in this. Industry, but you have to pay your dues go to events. Have you your business car ready and I did that you know I. met you know some of these celebrities I met you know were like a business card in ice I photographed? Somebody on a red carpet and they'll say hey, can I give my event photos because? It's a social media industry. Everybody has to be relevant. Everybody needs be active and know that they were at some certain event and I give my business card. Listen you know this is what would I do, but also consider that I could do a one on one session for publicity for for public for for your website, and that's high, do it? You know other other times I've built relationships over over the years, and I have maybe six agents that are work with. And all of a sudden like I did. Mario Lopez endow to an established relationship I. have with one specific agent. After the years. He said Hey Hernan away. We picked Mario Lopez. He's swinney commercial line. He Scott this athletic wear. You're the guy that's GONNA fit the job for us. There's no agent involved. There's no manager. There's no publicist. It's the person it becomes a mutual respected relationship you know, and that's why it's so important for you to be. Respectful of people their time your deadlines. You do you value. You gotTA value and this both mutual agent for you, and then it's it's taken off from there. You're absolutely right. If I was working with Eddie Griffin because again Eddie Griffin was. That agent who referred me all of a sudden ahead, Eddie Griffin. I shot with him one time and you know when I should with one person again first impressions I have make sure there's refreshments. I'm sure they're comfortable. You know we got a wardrobe stylist, my best makeup artist. experience so good that you know dig or call me because there's nothing that could say like we had you know hurting treated us bad. You know his his. His craft was in any good he. Everything is is really on point. And now I photographed and right before the the shutdown the coronavirus shutdown. Eddie Griffin call me to shoot a billboard in Las Vegas. You know, so. We shot at his this billboard for some of the stuff. He's doing there. But again it started just a one on one I. Don't know you're absolutely right. I know as images will end up. It ends up in a magazine. It ends up in the cover shot Floyd Mayweather. It ended up a cover of a magazine. I'll get a call from sports illustrated, can we? Can we use your image of Mike Tyson? It's not. Work that I'm doing. It's not you know commercial work that I'm doing. It's not a specific. I'm shooting an individual and the end result of that shot could be anywhere. So, how do you work it out in terms of usage, is it a buyout to provide them an unlimited license? How do you sort of work that out with a variety of clients have I mean you know most of the time? It's for a specific job and they'll say okay. We're hiring you to shoot a you know like I just Reggie Miller the NBA of Famer so he days ago now that was specific for a brand like a like the an apparel company. He's doing something for you know. Black lives matter. To sign a nondisclosure, it was like her. It's a buyout you. We. Just want us, select Just for this line now, sometimes abide is kind of interesting. Because he what he said, was we? We want to own the images. But it doesn't mean it's non exclusive or inclusive to you or just exclusive to them. Sometimes it's the only images, but you also a photographer own the rights to their your images. It's different a complete by what somebody comes in, and that's GonNa make three times the amount of an image in you would for Gimme the hard drive and let me take all the images than you know if you want full access and I don't that you have to pay for that rate. Opposed to. We shot the magazine. I saw you know for this specific job show like. Almost four thousand images. We have four cameras going. It was crazy. It was the most challenging photos should have done in my entire career because we're shooting outdoors were shooting action were shooting lifestyle. Action because. They want to look like they're at a place riding bikes. This is what it was very contrast allied. We've gotTA. Make sure that the images are sharp without keeping the background sharp so technically there was a law going onto this photo shoot. We had to create lifestyle portrait's like in the Santa Monica mountains that was a different camera and gave only two hours to do all this you know at the end of the day the beautiful images everybody was happy, but now I have an archive with four thousand images that I'm gonNA use everybody everybody. I got paid for the job in job like that I got I got hired for day rate. I'll set a day rate. You know my day for this will be whatever it is thirty five hundred dollars for the two hours at the God three hours at the got. And in that time you get the images you get the foul products which are twelve retouched images. Now somebody hires using oh seven hour days different because you're bringing in a team, you bring in makeup artists bringing. All, that is all over the place you know when it comes to to kind of mapping out what your fees are going to be cooler rights, who owns the rights but I think because I'm working on that one on one with an agent or manager. Didn't almost hate. Put it this way because there's a lot of. Contracts that you know people have to Kinda negotions. Who Rides who says or what do you do with the rights? But he becomes through a stream of emails, and this is high. Protect myself into a stream of emails the gentleman's agreement. Almost a nation will say her. Then we need this and this is what client said. You know we need this. A day we want twelve finalize images, and we owned the rights to this. So that's the contract because I'm going back in green to say. Okay under under the stipulations. Put here by by you and your your company, we will provide the twelve images. We will also have access to be able to use our images for for marketing purposes for website for you know whatever it is, so it becomes kind of gentlemen's agreement opposed to say for instance, and this is a perfect example. We're when photograph Mike Tyson again. This gentleman were nights would not sign a contract. You know it took. It took three months to get these two guys on stage to take a photo because his manager was. was involved, and his agent wanted to know where the rights to own the rights for the image in such and such and such, and who their agent talks Evanger holy shows, age and everything you know once you put that language on paper and say you know any for you to sign here were her non photography owns all the rights the images sometimes they walk away. You know they'll say we won't grant that. They want exclusive rights, so I've been smart about it to kind of protect myself on those emails in the stream were saying. In under the the the context of this conversation through the email I start writing out the language. It's almost like a soft contract wanting say any confirm an email saying okay, we do agree. We want to use Mike Tyson's image and they did. This is the agreement. They want to use his image for a book one of his books, but then again and that agreement I said I also have access mutual access to be able to use his persona for marketing myself, and for my and we know we. It's fifty fifty. So that was the agreement we had so, but sometimes you have to put it on paper signed by everybody else, and that's just the way it goes. Do sometimes work with a producer. I, have sometimes actually in a couple of movies that I've done, or you know I've worked like a still photographer you're saying or Rehab who sort of coordinates negotiates contracts and you know, put everything on paper, and does all that sort of negotiation for you leaving you right? I mean it's great when that happens. That's their specialty. You know there's a couple of agents maybe to two ages that I know that work that way. It's all in writing and their power powerhouse agents. They're well respected. You know when when they say jump people how high so I love it because they come in with that business approach, right everything out and say you're gonNA. Get hired her, and it's going to supply this for you. He's the man and his team and we have axes names that are gonna be allowed in the sad these his people and they. They do the negotiation. That's all resolved and I'll have to do. Show up, so you know that's a good point. When you have that, streamline in the process of the negotiation. It makes your job as a photographer so much easier, because sometimes we have to wear multiple hats and I. Think what happens now is a photographer because I think they're making us indispensable. Where like all? Why? Everybody's a photographer this person's. Charging you know your your half-days? Thirty five hundred dollars. This person does the job for thousand dollars while you're GONNA get the thousand dollar rate. That's what you're paying for so. that's what satisfies you then. That's it but understand you know I come. This is the bread and the reason why this. It isn't we come on point every every image. You'RE GONNA. pull out and we just did this again with Reggie. We had to go straight from this live to a website in Italy no time to retire, so these images were going straight live so a do not on point with your exposure and everything you know so. That's what happens. You know I think this is why you're paying may because. Every image and they were. They were impressed like. Wow, you know. We didn't know we could easy straight. Our camera did looks like the retouched, but that's your job, so you know you're going to base your rate and I think when I started out start there. It was incremental. You know. I started out. Seven fifty started seven for seven hundred fifty dollars. I could do this for you. You know six hours or whatever then it went up to twelve hundred dollars. You know and I have people advisors you know I had mentors along the process. One of the big Hollywood photographer he, when it's kind of starting in this trajectory of celebrity work earn like you're not. You shouldn't leave your house under fifteen hundred dollars. That's your base rate, and then I started kind of building up. You know. He said you'll know where it went to stop. And you know then I know. This is where I am now. This is my right now. Because you're also, you need to be competitive. You know because you can't train. Everybody's saying this is why you're paying this. They just look at your work. Everybody shopping around everybody. Look at all. These photographers than this. These are the five guys we want, and this is their rate. You know what's within our budget, so you know it's it's it's. There's a photo in our industry is going that way everybody why photographer pick up a camera? But they see that they got garbage. They're working is an on point, so you work for instance, if somebody charged you, go in and say you know. I want you to do a wall portrait and you're charging them. You could charge them I. Don't know. I could see charging them five thousand dollars for a Rambo you know. That's the rate I'm going to go in and you're you're you're char? Young pain you your pay me this much money for a twenty four by thirty six finalize on a piece of canvas with a nice frame for your house. And I could see because okay limited pitcher work. Yeah, that's what I expect. You know a post A. While, you know I'll do it for twelve hundred dollars. There'll be ecstatic. You know. Pay The twelve hundred dollars of the the five thousand dollars. You see what I mean. They love your work. They want you because of your body of work. That's what they're hiring. The rest of the parts you know you kind of move around a little bit could kind of give or take but I think there should be a place that you should. You should always values yourself as a photographer. When my last question that I ask each guest is i. ask them to recommend another photographer, and it can be anyone someone you've long admired or someone recently discovered, so who that photographer be and why? It has a funny because one of the photographers that a very much admire is horse than ours He was a came from graphic design background. The guy was was kind of his neurotic. It always work was like never enough. He kept on pursuing as a matter of fact. I could show you a blood because I needed here. My coffee table every so often. You're talking about years ago. Sometimes I research. Photographers from eighteen nine look at their work and their work is so relevant today you know. I I create for myself like wow, this somebody will point out. This is beautiful I. Mean it could be a cover of a magazine that was shot in eighteen, ninety by some photography, and photographer and I love doing that research, but horsing had this. Know just a bonus of his images, the back lighting you know. He created a lot of silhouettes, put his expose for bright white background. underexposed a subject created this mystery, but then he when he went to live style. Stop you know he, could he? He wasn't just like really. Like a niche photographer, he had pretty vast. Body award, but I just think just looking at it and studying his work, and seeing what he didn't why he did certain thanks, but there's always that undertone of graphic design. You're looking at his work, and you're looking at graphic images and you see where that came from so I think a lot. A lot of people learn just from from studying COMP, his composition and contrast in his work degree recommendation. Yeah, thank you so much man. I really enjoyed this. Man You're the man. Thanks to her non joining us find out more about him and his work by visiting her non photography Dot Com. If you're a devoted listeners. 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EP 1 - TOUCHDOWN with Todd Gurley (Los Angeles Rams Running Back)

LightHarted Podcast with Josh Hart

1:20:07 hr | 1 year ago

EP 1 - TOUCHDOWN with Todd Gurley (Los Angeles Rams Running Back)

"Huachen everybody to the heart podcast what's up. This is josh heart my brother matt hohmann. <hes> is with me. Thank you so much for a tune in and kind of starting his journey with us. This is gonna be fun row. We're gonna have a lot of different kind of guests on and is the first. I was really excited to be appreciate. You guys taking this ride with us. What is new you know starting something. I think we were probably both little nervous. <hes> you know you got at your profession. I have mine and i think it's always easy to kind of stick in that but <hes> you know this is a chance for us to kind of build something from the ground up and do something fun and tell stories and i think we're excited about definitely i think it was going to be really cool to have something that we can really interact with our fans and a different level yeah well. I'll say i'll say fans so don't cactus offshore tall but definitely going to kind of be in in touch with our family be more interactive with our fans kinda see what they want to hear us as well. You know who they want to have on a parka so this is an amazing journey for us us. Oh you know it's going to get into the current life of was going on in the matt helm in world right now and so world well. This is definitely. I mean it's definitely something we want to start every episode off like this for you guys so you can kind of just get a feel of josh gone through what i'm going through and just so we can kind of continue to build a relationship you guys obviously every episode is an interview which is amazing and we want you guys to hear all these stories but we also want to give you something you can expect we go over weak and we wanna start every upset it off just a little bit of conversation and really kind of set the tone i think it might even be good to to go back before like today and just kind of talk about ed heli matt how long we've known each other how both ended up here so on and so forth <hes> so the first time we met i would talk. I was my going on into when i was going into sidwell dion faith facebook yep results off as well again. That's kind of how our relationship started. I already did it like you. Because you were the ashort white kid with the floppy hair you had the flow then the jump shot to jump with a jump shot and like four years before that i still remember we were at the old run issue of maryland madness i think and you'll with these assault twenty eight <hes> and you and you call me with a mean like jordan s you gotta rebound act like you would hit me with a half spin very jordan. Esque has-been winter made a layup who i was just like you know what i hate to give them. A lifetime changed a little bit but our relationship has been. You know something crazy just with you. Oh you are one of the big advocate for me going back. After i got asked to go back <hes> and you know your family took me in and it was an amazing experience for me just to kind of kind of our my coverage zone and have another be under another families roof and obviously now we lived together for guest another month and a half until i had the new orleans but <hes> i mean we've been so to close in connected for the last six years. It's been crazy to six years yeah so since a long has it been eight years here now nine years yeah so for the for those that don't know josh kind of alluded to it but we both grew up in in <hes> maryland d._c. D._m._v. <hes> both went to said offering school super rigorous academic school in d._c. <hes> both probably would not have gotten if it weren't for basketball <hes>. I was recruited to go there freshman year. He was recruited recruiter to go their sophomore year and that's like joshua. That's when we met between freshman year sophomore year <hes> at a basketball workout. We both played on the basketball team there together. <hes> josh ended up falling into some some academic troubles obviously was coming from a school that basically i got my ass with coming from a school that like didn't necessarily kind of preparing adequately <hes> and the schools <hes> kind of wanted him to leave but obviously he made like a really positive impact on the community and everybody so <hes> everyone kind of rallied around it was like you know let josh stay. Let josh stay and he ended up moving in with with my family. <hes> for the remainder of high school became super super close brothers <hes> he calls you know my parents are parents moms and pops <hes> and then we went our separate ways for college but always always stay super close. He went to school in philly school in pittsburgh. <hes> my family ended up moving to philly early and my girlfriend was in philly. I ended up spending a lotta time. They're kinda got to experience his his career. Villanova was at a bunch of games kinda. Anna was at the entire two thousand sixteen n._c._a. Tournament run which is amazing <hes> and then we both graduated college twenty seventeen and then both coincidentally ended up in in l._a. And are now living together for a little bit longer before you go to new orleans but that's kind of our story which is which is pretty crazy that we both ended up here. <hes> i ended up here for work right after school and then he got drafted like two weeks later and it was like she just run it back together again it. Just you know everyone's life you. I just have this fall perfectly eighteen s kind of what kind of growing up with an idea that we've been <hes> friends and brothers being at sidwell promotion what my senior year in college and the fan moving up to philly from my senior year in college <hes> we now discover the crazy tai-bo seen each other in college <hes> and then you being out here who you being here. I a lot of people don't realize that they always see like math helping you with this right now. Matt got his on his own company. He's he's built from the ground of a it was just crazy that you out here and then our fortunate enough to be drafted by the lakers and kind of get out here with us a one of those things where you know everything he just felt perfect <hes> for us and you know obviously now things are changing a little bit. <hes> just in our say things are changing. You know mice is zip my area code. I guess zip code is going to change but that's the only thing that's going to change <hes> with us. We had a good run though you know. We had a helluva ron like l._a. I i was kind of saying saying the other day but l._a.'s definitely like an intimidating place to kinda just move across the country as like a twenty three year old kid so the fact that we kind of had how do each other and we're able to just kind of navigate it so funny whenever i go home. Everyone's always like oh l._a. Like must be crazy and it's like we just kinda. Hang out with the dogs and to true play for you. Play for man so let's say you you know help fi or help creating a really multifaceted coming. I just say consulting. I think it was just a easiest word kind so obviously you your partner devonish sean so congress kind of you know what. What are you guys doing certain things. You can't say you know what's up with matt helmet kind so just do your first <hes> first ever event. It was a hell of a craze excess stress on that during on up. <hes> let let us into your world. Yeah i mean without going into too much chiwetel <hes> when i first moved out here i was started off in the mail room at c._a. Which is one of the biggest agencies out here. <hes> met a ton of people learned a ton but ultimately decided it wasn't for me and i wanted a little bit of a smaller team more entrepreneurial environment <hes> when i was in college i went to carnegie mellon which is like a super nerdy tech school and a lot of my good friends who are computer science major so and in a building there that ended up not being crazy successful but we raise funding and we went through like a startup accelerator so i got really an entrepreneurship and i always knew i wanted to be my own boss and have my own business <hes> and after the left to go work for smaller boutique agency and then <hes> ended up starting my own <hes> that you alluded to call all curtains so january of two thousand eighteen with two two partners out here sean in devon <hes> and we just thought that the three of us that are really unique kind of mix of skill sets in and passions in like the sports and technology and media spaces so <hes> yeah we're. We're a marketing agency. We work with with big brands like ford <hes> the m._v._p. P._a. the m._l._b. <hes> we do you know social media digital strategy content influencers events pretty much anything they need on the marketing side we can make happen <hes> and then we also work with the host of other startups we either advise them and in some cases will will actually invest money into them. <hes> we've you and i <hes> and and also shannon devin have invested in a bunch of stuff together which <hes> we're excited to talk about on the show investing something that we're really interested in. I know you are as well <hes> and then <hes>. I'm sure i'm forgetting a couple of things but that's kind of that's kind of high level so give us a rundown description together event event. You guys just had a eighty three d._j. Milly no <hes> d._j. Phase guys for heist. The twelve year old hice ice guys <hes> in jarvis is is a bunch of guys kind of just tell us about that so for us like as a marketing agency other companies are always hiring us to do events for them which is great <hes> it pays well and we love helping other people kind of build their brands but <hes> we kind of all sat down and realize that we'd never really put our own brand forward so we were like you know. We're just going to do an event. Ah it's gonna. It's gonna be a cut and so brand event. We're going to put our own money into it. We've got a couple amazing sponsors to help cover the costs but <hes> we put a good about money into it and we just think that gaming <hes> which is something that we're gonna talk about a ton over the course of this this show and many more <hes> were were really in a gaming. You're really into gaming and we're just really into the the cultural fusion around gaming right now and gamers are no longer the fat kids and their parents basement athletes so the rappers they're the people who wear the street where people will listen to hip hop ev- everyone is really gamer and we just really wanted to kind of show that in an event so we had you know you and meyers leonard were gracious enough to come and stream fortnight for charity with all the proceeds going towards building a basketball court and underserved area <hes> kota the friend superdome new york city hip hop artist pulled up and did a set or perform a couple songs d._j. Millie we had vintage arcade games. We had iconic show mark jeff supply the art for the whole building <hes> open bar tacos is is really just kind of a gathering of of cool people <hes> and just wanted to bring all of our network together under one roof being there it was i was free. He has to be you. Go further vent was amazing success. Oh only knows enough about me though it's obviously you've had awesome life changes recently low whirlwind but i gotta say not only do. I feel this way but it seems like social. Media also feels way. You're taking it really well. You're embracing it. You're you're not getting caught up. You're not throwing shade. You're just kind of like you know. These are the cards. I've been dealt and i'm gonna. I'm gonna rock with it only to really do with it. I was i am it. Don't get me wrong. I am super grateful for the league's organization from magic for genie for believing in me food at my teammates had some great teammates there <hes> <hes> some of them get bad or asked but they're all great dudes <hes> trainers coaching staff and it was this amazing to be. You know a laker for the last two years we weren't the purple goede a dream. Come true being later in l._a. Sellers crazy crazy down nothing success in the future <hes> but for me now is is kind of everyone goes with things a different way and my thing is just kind of facing it. You know head on <hes> i'm. I'm a very loyal guy so i'm pelican new orleans pelican and <hes> all internet and i'm you know focusing <hes> excited to help you know build. What a great winning culture there with some great guys we have honestly the draft is literally leaving it yeah leaving in five minutes eh head to the draft now but <hes> i'm super excited man. <hes> you know i'm a big sweet guy. Hit up caffey domon and hasn't been yays is but i'm i'm so excited man. It'd be an amazing experience. <hes> ah pelican with <hes> a lot of my friends so i mean that's that's really what's going on with nia was no regrets <hes> no <hes> nothing disappointing. I guess maybe the way i found out but you know nothing besides that and no. I'm ready for the next chapter in my life. Yeah like you said you go out there with your people. It's kind of like how we moved out to l._a. Not together but each other you're going out there would b._i._n.'s oh and guys that you've played with you can trust who you're cool with and <hes> obviously there's a lot of excitement around around this team so i think i think it's a good opportunity for you now. Everything's going to be amazing using you know and i'm not you know save a lot of money state tax. That's a real estate to the dogs. Rodeo dresen no sugar. I know my would be a little bit. You know crap okay good food down in new orleans but no real estate's cheaper and the have a nice yard full pup so that'd be amazing. I'm looking forward to that and you know for me life's i. I think i'm wearing a supposed to be. I think i wear a how much i am a man of faith exactly what god wants me to be and i give everything up all oughta successes and failures you know <hes> give him the credit for that because you know he's <hes> always with me and you know he's with me now and i think i'm where you know. He wants me to be in my in my life right before we talk about our guests that we have on. There's a this is a a a treat. I know wanted to <hes>. I don't even want to say one of the is the best running back in the league todd gurley <hes> l._a. L._a. rams someone who's had some success in the last several years being named often n._f._l. Offensive player of the year been you know a huge. He was part of a super bowl run. <hes> ended up coming up short but <hes> was a a huge part in that is had a nice contract. Extension got paid all his efforts that he put towards you know to rams organization and we're excited to talk with them for excited for our fans kinda here. You know what he has to say. In you know yeah you know fun as t g swan ride with us. Let us know what you like what you don't like the re plenty more episodes <hes> but we figured this was a really good one to lead with definitely one so without further ado here's episode one enjoy what's up everybody log onto the lighthearted podcast. I'm josh it's hard and as my brother matt helm guys today. We got a very special guest. We've got l._a. Ram todd gurley <hes> all pro running back. <hes> <hes> you know as you have been on the podcast. This is the first episode so there's a big one minute thank you. I appreciate you gain of our fam- so so something that we're going to do on every episode of the podcast. We're going to open up a bottle of wine. This kind of uh drink a little bit of good while on a little conversation so we go to does does sixteen cake bread cab from nabal so you say you're a little bit of a wine guy. Nothing crazy knew that hey i got you. I'm i'm a anytime pressures on. I know the person always on but it's all good yeah mark dabble wando. Thanks the oh boy. I really do. Begin me on it. I see incidents stores off right now. We don't really try to compe- he would make little coups as one but lebron like brown you can't you can't compete abroa- he got. He got too much money too many any <hes> relate wa relationships too. You know my owner has one really yeah screaming eagle. That's how that's how and and janata have you ever had genetic zubieta some two. Oh shit come happened. No when we talk about not being able to compete iran screaming screaming eagles what comes to mind like we went up to get that yeah whoa talk the bron- cub went to napa <hes> <hes> all like all star break this past year so as i go you know listen. I'm going to go to college. Just aren't getting into one so you're telling me so i went to a couple went to cogan harlan estate. Okay <hes> promontory and opus one and so like you know a couple of go some good ones all the ones so oh i talked to him about just like the visits and all that so harlin they said they. Do you know probably two or three visits week or something like that so it's not a lot not a lot so that's that's not a lot at all when it comes to compare like wine but it's based on what they want to do do what they want to do. It's all their preference so he was saying screaming. Eagle does like three year. Don't even like i never have. I never even seen anyone drinking yeah. I never had it. I'm not gonna spend two thousand. I've seen stories about oh. Get get like bought the price. Go up because one that i saw every time you buy one owed is limited or either by one drink one so you buy wondering when this limited you know you you start out with sixty you sell you drink ten fifty then you sell the limited. Oh everyone gets more expensive more expensive because it's harder to get so yeah cheers too. I it's a lot harder. Pox take-back k. grid take breyer going either gonna open a little bit more but he picking up in there <hes> there's a little oak jordan jordan my my little more fruity tannin's a little more right now the conversation but <hes> let's talk about u <hes>. Let's talk about you know. Obviously you're from north carolina's kind of talk about where you're from talk about your you know your childhood growing up and kind of <hes> your pat to being you know who you are right now. I mean me man <hes> too much well. I'm originally. I'm originally was born in baltimore grew up yeah but no my mom move <hes> me my brother my two brothers and my sister down to north carolina and <hes> i mean that it's kind of tough for me you know just moving away from the family and stuff like that and then going from the city to <hes> might really the country country country and and you know just being out there no fares nothing but you know have my brothers and sisters. <hes> grew up small town then ended up moving to <hes> tiber. You know i kind of like you know when i started playing you know middle school football <hes> middle school basketball school baseball and stuff like that so the winter tauber highschool <hes> so this my my story on football i didn't i'll play football my whole life. Every since i was like six years of so my freshman year i go into. I'm like i'm not playing football like i'm like i wanna work basketball so i got it's probably like halfway through the season <hes> my freshman year and i'm just trying to go find a ride i probably would i was doing after school. <hes> probably trying to make up if some workers helping like that so got to go see one of my buddies and ask for a ride in the coach cam to them and coach erv he was like man you know. Are you not playing ball and stuff like that. I'm just like you know. You're not been playing football my whole life i wanna try something who try to get better at something else and and i mean that's when i started kind of back playing football again <hes> my ninth grade year and a plan quarterback and diene play j._v. next my sophomore year play j._v. That's when they moved into running back and then <hes> i play jay aman play varsity <hes> junior senior year but we ended up winning went to like five state championships and win like three of them <hes> played when ran track iraq or a little warrior. We're like we're actually one eight now. We will who ate. I play like football or whatever like that so bound over you know north carolina but they go to biggest they go up is two four eight yeah. They don't go but we do like one eight one eight two and what was what was the football environment like going up during the south. I was crazy because i like i said i would grow up in a small town like seven thousand people you probably like surrounding little small towns as well and the county as well so i mean football shut down town on friday. The real deal like it wasn't like we grew up in the city. Because i mean you know most of those guys they grew up playing literally so i was planned with these guys says middle school most schools they will break off and go to different schools so so it's like you know we all grew up playing with each other so we always had the camaraderie of just getting together. You know feeding off of each other and really just plan for. Ah that's why i felt like we was able to you know build start that little honesty there so that was cool <hes> and that kind of what made me want to <hes> go through the recruiting croon process and play in the s._e._c. You know the main reason why i went to georgia ended up playing there. <hes> never enemy is that i would you know we playing football in college and then go to the university of georgia which was like eight hours away from me and then you know i went there. They had two main keep marshall one of my best friends and roommates. He was like the number one running back in the nation and then the year before that <hes> they occur yeah well. He's what he was doing. They had to now more random bag. You really got some got some dogs that come out of this so so it was just. I don't know why i chose georgia like. Did you have an option not too. Many i mean it was it came between clemson <hes> u._n._c. u._n._c. What's going on probation at the time yeah <hes> auburn. They wanna do war eagle films that was me. I wanted to get to florida offer but they never offered me wanting to get like the south carolina so i mean i was kinda really just stuck tuck women with my georgia either data auburn and then going. They're playing their end up starting like the second a game and then he came off the bench. The first game had a monster game against like three touchdowns my first game and then after that was kind of like you know played against alabama <hes> s._e._c. championship we didn't win. Would literally didn't win a national championship or the championship but if we would've won s._e._c. championship game we would win play notre dame for the for the national championship but once once i had a pretty good game against the alabama everybody didn't have like i think i was like wanted to the only ones that like hundred dollars russia on those guys. I'm like you know five years. So once that happened. I kind of like might need to start taking this football thing just a little bit the figure that you start looking at draft like a running back drought and all that stuff wants to happen. I was like all right. I got it like you know really work. Put in you know the effort. I do got one is. This is always curious. I guess if i take a step back on like more so d- croome in high school because usually for for basketball players i we commit somewhere then it's like i most of the times i like is over. He committed his place here football. They don't give a fuck. They just be like you know. Be off-limits you. I'm going to georgia you knew that before your from your senior year alabama calm uh-huh and florida so i wanna talk talk to me about it because i haven't. I never talked to a football player and bought ads. Wanna know like like 'cause i for me for basketball is it's kinda crazy because like when someone commits kinda like all over the rule of the football players. I don't know why they do it but it's just like they'll commit early and then we like now and i still take unofficial visit. Which is nothing wrong with that. You know you're going to have that security. I guess i wanna have the security or made you may not sure so my first offer for me was was duke i want to do you wanna see game. <hes> dan i gotta come with commit here. The winner was like all right chew their basketball shoe and then once you get is like for football once you get that i offer then okay. Why did who who is josh. Josh got talk to offer then. I got the you know the the u._n._c. You know the snowball is not just kept coming. <hes> clemson's virginia tech's nortre dame is like all that stuff was like calling and stuff like that so i me personally. I want to wait it. I wanted to wait until i knew i was ready. I committed on thanksgiving like january thirteen to twelve. I still remember that date <hes> but i did like other schools still trying to like approach at their and stuff like that even though because you know i mean why not at the time like you know you recruit. That's all recruiting is recruiting recruiting kim and then shoot you. Thank you got him and then you don't have because my mom among colin really wanted me to go to clips <hes> but i just wanted to go to georgia look. I just wanted to go to georgia and and that was like my my decision for that. I really base it off. You know who is going there or like you know other recruits on place for me. I wanted didn't you. <hes> did you run track for for i ran track <hes> a ranch around hurdle iran <hes> in high school around that's why you'll ask her to so damn ran around championship <hes> my junior year okay and did not ended up going <hes> competing in the world. We'll travel with the team u._s._a. <hes> i think i lost in like the pre limbs of something like that but it was just that's when i like kind of fell in love with traffic. I'm like i was just renting. I'm like i didn't know you can actually like love tracking. I still got like a bunch of relationships everybody because it's not like football or basketball like you know you just kind of put your pads is on a you just compete and like every day you just you know opposite sidelines and the nafta that everybody kind of go go home track was cool because you know half the time you're sitting sitting around so you get the you know getting. No people <hes> see other runners. You know get states are so long i was. I was kind of like my own coach coach who taught me but then he ended up going to another school so i would like coach to other. Her loose on our team is <hes> child team as swells to go over. There and i'm like bro. I don't even know what i'm doing. I'm on youtube every night like looking at david oliver like stuff and other hurt the and then i did it enjoy. I did it at georgia to get outta. Matt drove matters is crazy. I was like to win a work off the track coach and he was like old school. Guy didn't really want hair on the team. You cut it all like he didn't like have like it was just i don't know i can't even sound sound like a story but it's like so he likes ended up finding me and keith marshall in <hes> like fifty dollars over there so we went went to virginia tech and competed in <hes> in the indoor meet kief can't highlight wanted a top you know top five like <hes> sixty meter <hes> endured time that was like his first race and it was only practicing for like a week then i had like a top like a top six time in georgia history or whatever <hes> in hurdles indianapolis. He cut his misled just cut that's wild because it will keep messing up his hampshire and he's like yeah. I don't watch out and get her. Whenever i'm like i had to go so i was. I was so mad. <hes> i know you mentioned early on you love basketball and then as we're doing some research for the podcast. I saw you had a e._s._p._n. Interviewers someone asked you if you'd like channel your football talents into another sport. What would it be and you're like. Basketball is a what <hes> i mean obviously now now. We see the size of these n._b._a. Contracts ridiculous but even as a kid like what drew you to basketball <hes> football north carolina. Was you know well like i said growing up embargo member <hes> maryland they ended up winning a national championship lake wake up john era. I'm still mad. It's maryland a._c._c. minutes. It's not the same. I don't know why they did that so i used to be. You know play march madness and stuff like that. I'm just like man. Who is this blue team. You know these blue devil some like. I like this team. You know playing up there. I'm always plant them always winning and i started watching the games. I didn't even know that. Duke was in north carolina until i was like eighth ninth grade. It was crazy and then just i mean just like growing up in north. Carolina was really you know basketball basketball state ah u._n._c. wake forest state. You know you got stay got dukes. It was just like i mean learning also like why not not yet. <hes> grew up grew up mellow fan. You know i look i look at him right to personnel like you know grew up. Watching you know always got to defend fan him like twenty four seven goes but <hes> but it was just you know that was just you know. Everybody wanted to be a basketball here. I don't care what you say. <hes> <hes> whatever sport you know not tons at a time i felt like basketball is the sport that everybody would wanna play if they could play yeah okay like talking talking about georgia obviously had a great career but then you ended on injury so <hes> of the tour the a._c._s. s._e._o. <hes> so let's talk about one what was going through your mind when that happened because obviously you know the fast forty. You know we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it after this question but you know you gotta drafted you know high running back at that moment we would just when you you laying on the field you just you know you probably don't know toured new. Something's wrong. You say you like shit like this rat formula like discount. I'm in it is what it is <hes> for me. It was different because because i was having a great season matt allen had like a thousand yard line four games and then i ended up getting suspended. I got suspended for autographs on stuff like that and i was dealing with debt probably for like two three weeks but i didn't know like you know what dependence he was going to be like. If a if i was going to be done for the whole year or if i was going to be done for four four games or eight games and i think too they ended up giving me four games signed china against the spin it four games and then you know i was i i mean i thought about like coming back. You know just like it's maybe twelve games in college well but it was just like you know i. I knew what i was doing. You know i knew it could get me in trouble so i kinda it was more disappointed in myself and then let my teammates down. I think they ended up losing a game and stuff like that so i just felt like oldham net to come back can play and then you know we plan auburn. Thanks homecoming. I'm i got my like my thirtieth carry. Remember still remember the place like a power play a gap. I go to bounce outside seat defendant. Try to cut right back and just fell on the ground like it any hurt and then you know you're going to do the a._c._c. tests and they told me c._n._n. Mike but i wasn't i wasn't mad because like i said i just went through suspension. I'm like well. You know. It's another another speed bump in the road. Gotta overcome and i kind of really pushed me to light now. I felt like i had something approved especially <hes> being running back game draft in the first round where where it wasn't you know running backs that didn't go in the first round five three three four years now coming out a._c._l. Sly now. I got a lot to prove that i belong in this league and i mean i was eh clearly like you showed enough in your cause that they're willing to take a chance despite you injury but what happened in november. Was it the in november and then what's the what what was the pre-draft process like what what point recovered were you. What were you able to do for teams if anything not and i didn't they just drive off the of your college who i didn't even talk to saint louis easy i didn't do nothing. I didn't nine-under combine. They were mad at me had to combine because i won't let nobody touch my knee like you know because i i don't know if you wanna come on works but it's just you do to medical stuff literally like the first three days medical interviews has and you don't do like the actual field testing to the last day so not i mean a drain man. Everybody's up all day or meetings all day. You gotta you know i can. I ask you these questions about teams. You know ask you real do like personal questions. Yeah i mean i get you know tail real about your your mom personal life like where she do know somebody like. They do their research so they the show up. They know they ask you. Something like like kinda deep and this may not enter to descend. They're like i wanna see i you gotta see how he reacts and unless you live but yet then how my process is is crazy so i didn't. I didn't do not in budgets train. Frank hurt my knee. I'm gonna be you know just for covering but s._e._o. I found out like literally the first day i got done. I mean i had my surgery the next dialysis back rehabbing whether his leg lifts and it was just like you know with slow like i could literally just want run a week ago and now it's like i can't even walk. I can't even like to a logistician so's like china. That's when i like you know. Slow everything down like learning how to deal with injuries <hes> <hes> not a part of the game but then also you know it's all mental mental causes long days. You still doing your regular workouts on top of that. You know you gotta go to rehab every day and you know that stuff get tired. You know you beef sandwiches but he like. I don't really care 'cause. I'm you know i'm trying to get you better so i think that kind of helped me out a lot and then you know the draft came amid the green room and i'm just joking. I'm i'm like man. I'm not going no no. I'm thinking i'm gonna go like at least like twenty at the earliest but i'm line really just relaxed and i'm like man not to get worked up over this like you. You know whatever happens happens. I mean you know had like couple bonuses and like my nike jacket. I need to get the here so <hes> we integrion room and one of my boys from back home called me. This one is just went. Atlanta's atlanta's like the pig atlanta's by getting number from the fall former today. I figured a phone is one of my homeboys crock customer so bad so fast and then two weeks later like you know coach. Fisher less need was calling me and i was like man heinous anus this this is crazy. Please surprised because obviously one. I mean one running backs. Don't really get picked like like you said it was the drought and even after you even now running running back ronnie babies don't really get picked you know in the beginning of the first round and a lot of a lot of time the earliest there'd be ended a first or the second. You were a runabout pick. The ten pick fresh a._c._l.'s hair so it was like i house because obviously like you had a great body of work at georgia. It was just like we just kinda like shit like you know. This is crazy like i. I didn't think i was gonna be in this position. Yeah i didn't. I didn't especially not like a top ten. Pick like you said coming off the a._c._l._u. May already had trey mason who went to auburn. I mean he almost had the thousands of dollars and then they had benny cunningham. <hes> zac stacy is h._p. They had all those guys so me and my one of my coaches you know called me and told me that like you know. They were down there during the background check system but i was like man light decent idea good and you know once that happened. I was like cool. I didn't know i never felt like obligated to like. I gotta get back. Gotta get back a set like i just wanted to take my time and make sure i was ready and it was it was on <hes> how many years rian saint louis before they use one was was the fan like with the defense not would they kinda like the teams on the way out with that was the thing because no one knew i mean we didn't even know but we know it was like a possibility so you know it was kind of like the fans were like kind of beefing with with the organization organization or whatever <hes> but it was cool man i mean it was cool just to be there. I mean obviously to have the blues news editor because i was in saint louis last week. Actually for my buddy <hes> toronto. They left tackle. Put a new orleans saints. He's from over there. He saint saint louis. I went to his <hes> my buddy. Josh arts issue shots. How where we're in saint louis. Oh okay okay now. My parents boat my boat. My parents are from san luis lived in now so when i go back sometime i'll go to we're. We're staying right now. They're like they're kind of industry. They're in i just i just moved on to leyton not an talking clean. I'll think about buddhism what is the place car about the figure it out like saint louis google yeah. It was low key you with it. Was you know they had the baseball cardinals. They're like. I mean besides the dodgers in western in the western central west nine muffle. I was i'm sitting here. I'm like where did i go to central western <hes> analysis because every time my my dad's dad's like best friends are from east saint louis like okay. They live over there to look. It's a little different over there. I'll go. I'll go there just like you earlier. If i it's not a little crazy but every time like we'll go there for like a dare to go over there and with this guy but on if i'm going to be there long for a day or two but <hes> what was the process like moving from saint louis <hes> moving from saint louis to l._a. Like the uh-huh capacity. That's not that's not y'all like that. Wasn't your choice organization. How did they cover moving. 'em n._f._l. They took okay everything that took care. You know <hes> the families gain out there the kids cars you know a furniture and stuff like that but we literally found out when everybody else found out like i remember <hes> to sit in a bid. I think i had like <hes> descend on my toast. I was still so therefore we have like two weeks or whatever and i was sitting on the bed and then i remember seeing the commissioner come on stage and it's like so y'all just follow like on the screen go yeah i was going to l._a. Is like a lot of stuff i want to. I like that. That's just how like you know the business. Go like i mean you know kind of repeating. Uh repeating cycle happens happens all the time but it was cool is crazy always wanted to always wanted to live like always i even when i visit is it in college and i came here. I was laying you know coming from the south. I'm right down. You know it's a little different is different. This is about you. You know what i'm saying is is is like no other place like it's like no other places really be better accepted for guessing better food. I tell you that <hes> see. I had to get used to the food out here. That's one thing i did had to get used to it. Was it was crazy but the move was cool and they put us up in a hotel for like guys were in there you know seven months wanted like one of those extended. Stay places but well. I mean they. They definitely did it care of us. We should <hes> maybe that's one thing you know because fisher was a player coach and he made sure we got taken care of and the owner longest the players happy and you're he's always he's four to do no less and karen those guys took care of two and when you when you first find out l. a.'s obviously incredible sports town but also like a crowded one. What are the initial thoughts in terms of like. Are we going to fit into this market. You got the lakers. You got all these things well. We were here before so it's not like we were like true. This brand new just team you. You know obviously we weren't doing good but it was okay at least gasoline fences studio here. At least you know raiders l._a. Rams fans so came back right here. I mean it was cool. I think when the first gains were lying superpac we plan at the coliseum <hes> me literally <hes> you know we're s._c. Play you know watching reggie bush liner. Linda wild crazy so i mean we didn't really add a season that we want it. Uh-huh you know people who wasn't really showing up on my hey. I mean that's how i go. You don't especially if you're not like you know you just have the tradition of like like we're like a you know a green bay where yeah you know like one of the first teams to ever come into the league but they just have the extradition. They travel good good. I mean they they probably even this year. They probably have more fans than we did. You know that's just a tradition that they hold those guys. They traveled aim. You know more they they. They had the cowboys you know the steelers they traveling so i think <hes> these last year's been pretty good for us foreign just like making economic transition and be like you know top team in lee especially like like you said being l._a. Lakers you got the dodgers. The king's like thank you know. Those franchises are yeah. It's competing cutthroat if you're not doing well because there's always more to do but when you do well the whole city on fire last year we yeah yeah yeah for sure. I mean obviously more you know more media. You know the market is a lot more bigger but it comes with the sport yeah yeah. I think that was the biggest thing that was <hes> so i got well that i got here two years ago and i wanted to say i'll try this all you training camp charles and then i went to the first or the third game of season that year come from d._m._v. yeah so we so y'all y'all loss. You did have a nasty as again. I think you ended up losing my like three and i remember like looking i. I'm just looking around the first of all the coliseum so it's not like there. There's no like sweet ceases. No <hes> like it's. It's a college for the fans. It's not a really cool and by not. I won't say cool but it's not like you know an n._f._l. Environment mainly how a lot of other n._f._l. Teams have so. I remember looking around. It's kind of like there's not that many people here but a lot of rest holiday and then so seen from saudi. I like with my my own either then. There's not that many people here two years ago then now. It's like i was you were under bo you had an amazing year but it's like just to see the difference that that one or two years make from dang i. I thought there'd be more people here too. Dang this is like their super bowl contenders <hes> they they got all pros on both sides of the ball and it was just a totally different field just from being here this phone and i'm not even a crazy. Obviously i'm not got a crazy ryan's fan. I i you know i like you and i mean that's a really bad guy. I always hope you do good but just you know just being gene regular dude in l._a. Seeded the transformation from you. What two years were to now has been you know crazy. As i put a city's. He's been really good. You know with the dodgers doing very well. <hes> the last real mega to war series you gotta make it to <hes> super bowl so as i can tell so you know the city's going up enough so the big kindest sign this dow really cool. I wasn't just how the transformation was last guy. Make me like appreciate you know. Delete in winning a little bit more because like i said when i first got into leaves like i mean that was the most i ever lost in my life. You know i mean losing. Its may seven and nine. I never lost nine games. I mean from that that point from college and high school like i probably lost games total russell wisconsin's tough to deal with that yeah 'cause like i tell yeah people don't really matter how much money you know how great your own but like when your team not winning this. It's it's tough. It's tough you you gotta. Try to know how to balance that. You know which personal life at home and then you know literally carry that you know i guess you you can you can talk about it. Could i mean not the lakers. Last part of it was just we weren't first year. You know we were a little younger than last year we had injury resource like weren't doing well so we had lose records and you know sometimes like football different might be wanted to in a row but for us if we lost discover games in a row like like the vibe is just an damn football wailers games. Every game means way more so a whole week. Yeah we get back on the field and kind of get it back so it's always hard when you're losing because i that affects everything affects you. You know obviously you're the business. Side effects home life because it's frustrating. You can't do anything without them. Pointing back to it as to like that's flight like say oh that's why they lose because my with i got here the year we'll move from saint louis to l._a. We started out three and one and then we only only one like one more game so we like our mail pretty good estate. You know slightly loss loss loss loss and what happened you no. It was crazy. When did wanna mcvay takeover two years ago. This is years crazy. Oh yeah he's he's smart. Look smart man video. He do his thing. I mean he got the memory of elephant memory marie. I mean you remember everything we'll be. You know he'll just pull up clip. Where say something like you remember. This is the third minute of the fourth quarter of game name like like all the time like dude like we know what you did like a year year and a half i certain day we had a team meeting <hes> this is this past minicam like you know like a week ago and he does you know <hes> just goes over. We're like the whole season. I mean you know if it's like a magnificent play or of his guys that you know had their first act like he was calling all that stuff. I just like leave. Them gang went all the way up to you know the super bowl like i mean the players coaches. He's a good coach. I'm i'm always coming up with new ideas <hes> so you get excited like every week you come in on wednesday. You know tuesday's out day off wednesday. We put we star game planning. I mean i get a smile on because it's like oh yeah. It's gonna be a good week. Amazing genius. He really is a genus. I i noticed i think once involved you started to get more involved from the receiving end of the ball so talk about a little bit how how not just like the team but how your game kind of evolved from playing within data story to the rookies <hes> and i said somebody to like a week or two ago and i was just like when i first came into the lead i was a you know i grew up looking at the he knows jamaal charles and <hes> you know adrian peterson but i was more of like that you know i wanted to be like they're more europeans back <music> over but at first i'm like i'm not catching ball running. No rows like i'm not doing marimba but then you know like i said seeing other guys games. Labianca is david johnson's dukes <hes> devante freeman. I need you know in order to be the best you got to do the best doing and i had <hes> you know elevate my game and i mean you know thanks to coach mcveigh for like putting putting us in this position. I mean you know certain routes was like he didn't matter over the receiver tight end running back like whoever garon at route wherever you feel comfortable with it. He's gonna put you in that position so and then. I also learned that hey august say my body. Why would i wanna go up against eleven guys. When i get you know have a one on one one guy. I wanted to like a cornerback the exact your your you know <hes> majority of the time like i'm a windows one on one now. That's all footballers about it. This is a man crossing you more times than he did and once i've seen that and started getting involved in the passing game i just where like i was like damn this easy. I can keep doing this yeah <hes>. I was actually told him pull up all his staff this year college. Obviously you know you were. I talk is a very modest very humble but it's like this year. It was absurd just from a touch grabs twenty what twenty one this year and twenty last year like this nineteen. The what was it you or what <hes> <hes> offered the player of the year two years and just like i mean i was the context going into my fastest at the my third congrats yeah i was so happy about it is is it and because obviously you know it's amazing for me is just so different i mean i always think i always say say two guys i think n._f._l. Players get paid the most host one of the most like n._b._a. N._b._a. Big like. I think everyone on sunday to sunday monday monday night. We bring in bringing day of the week so one. You're bringing bringing the most revenue so that's that has to trickle down one in to like y'all. Y'all put your buys online like even guys i want. I don't wanna say life on the line but to the guy and now all of the you know more test about whether c._t. Is you now but i i always said that like there's going to be any <hes>. Sport gets paid. There has to be about this because y'all bring in the most. Y'all y'all risk the most like for for us. It's like yeah we have. You know so crazy injuries but like it ain't going to be like no no could cause mental. That's what it was like. Twenty twenty years down ted hebrew tedy bruschi no not the only way they can test for when you when you we say <hes> when <hes> tom. I think that was how you once you sign it and you would this kind of like. It's definitely <hes> a relief. <hes> i feel like for me. You know different definitely different chapters. <hes> like i said getting drafted. It was one of those like chapters in my life where it was like okay. I accomplished this. You know i went to college are let me make it through college. Either graduate or be a professional and i'm like all right you get drafted. The united goes lower now need to prove that belong in this lead and then it's like i get the contract. Extension so's life now. I don't really you know that's that's like a security blanket and it's just a relief. You know my show to something. I don't i really wasn't thinking about because i was like. If when it happens it's going to happen but now the happiness bands like expanded myself. Even more is down. It's about making sure my family. Is you know well off you know for generations and then and make sure i'm doing the right thing and you know i've been playing football my whole life so you know i work out all the time and what's on the field. You know that's gonna take care of yourself. So so is now is about me landing myself <hes> put myself in a different position and trying to <hes> you know make more yeah and it's a blessing and it's a a belief <hes> it's the organization take stands behind you because obviously the knock on running backs in the past has been. They don't have as long as they didn't have to do that at aw but they did it which is so <hes>. I think other really cool thing is like the n._f._l. <hes> really seems like a fraternity like when when i do gets his bag like we low height right like even like when we like we went out with frank clark after he got his like everyone was just like love. I feel like i don't know if the n._b._a. Is a little bit more competitive. I don't know what it is but like the the n._f._l. Everyone just seems teams. Get really excited when he gets paid because so damn hard is so hard to get light yeah to get to the especially when you see i mean all of my closer closer friends. You know that i'm still in contact with today. You know those guys that that didn't you know they made it lead. They only made it. You know china trying china camp or they were you know one or two years and and you know being being cool with with other guys because when you meet other guys like well off on that same background around you know we all went through college went through those crazy workouts you know the mattress type of stuff and you know being around each other so i just felt like when we see each other's others get paid. It's just like a man. I'm so happy for that. All notice do no but i know you know what four years ago he was suspended at georgia georgia you know he just herself and he was still able to come back and get and especially for the the benchmark so like when you get what you got it helps melvina alvin ailey and in lee guys you know talk about you know competing and stuff like that but it doesn't matter who's better than who it's all about timing because adobe come and get paid more than me and be a better than tyrod doesn't matter is all about time yeah. It's all about the time you know you know. Hopefully who knows what is going to get but nine times out of ten he should be. He's probably gonna make more than than and <hes> you know carson wentz to decide his. They're just that's how it goes goes in remain everybody. You should be for guys like that. Show in this life changing money and i mean we all know where we all came from so to be able to do that and three or four year span is yeah is amazing especially in basketball to like your directly matched up with the person you're competing against like you could be like oh. This makes this and they're guarding your heart each other. You know how many people are asking. They saw some. You know a concert. I'll be looking at him like i did. I did do some shit and ours is like the competitive aspect of them like that and i want to be auto rookie rookie contract. That's what i wanna be. I was like is basketball although because it was like i ain't gonna say nobody name but it was a guy. He got paid by like four years ago house. Like who the hell is this. Do i love you make an eighty million dollars. I know i got to go get it now. Yeah i think yeah i think the difference between you're not going to go out and guard like like you're gonna do your thing in his defense out but at the end of the day like there's uncontrollable matters you know i wanna continue on that because i think you know in the n._f._l. <hes> branding yourself sticking out a little bit more of a challenge like you said there's do on the n._b._a. Roster the last minute on the bench and it's you know they're very marketable and i think for football <hes> there's guys like yourself and odell and guys there at the top of the pyramid but there's a lot of people really struggle to kind of like you know build a brand for themselves. I don't know if it's because they're wearing a helmet but what do you why is that you think i mean definitely. The helmet doesn't really get to show off face. I feel like you we know the content we we get put out that we control on owners instagram yeah no and twitter and obviously you know being in like the gaming world and stuff like that but <hes> defense defenses is definitely a struggle. I can only name yeah. I mean you know you might you might know who defends the players are but you know a lot of people. Don't really you know recognize him but there's big big on tough frank. If if you wanna release the alcs fan you weren't like really was one hundred. It's like you know we even looked like yeah and i mean for us. You know i'm like scored a touchdown. It's more like y'all get the luxury position the lyman you don't wanna show the office allama. No lower taxes get paid but i'm going to touchdowns but because it allows house guys though those guys are helping to touchdowns but it's like you know i'm getting the love and that's what i feel like. I gotta do the line. I'm i'm mean i mean that's one thing that quarterbacks and running backs his is always i. I forgot. I forgot who it was. I think tom tom brady got humphry. Ours ours are probably been like. I think that guy like everyone on cowboys like a._t._v.'s life. We did last year. Golf golf was trying to be cheap but i'm like bro. Got that protect your off rose in making like a ah this much amount of year getting out of misa misa block so in is cool then most guys don't really ask for much <hes> a super grateful for me. I like to do this because being that guy when i came in that i didn't really really no anything and even there. I was like guys looking at me. Take me like now. I got it so i kind of do the same thing when rookies come in. It's like you know take those guys out the we just chill invite him over to the house you know last week like the you know the his his slow annual <hes> <hes> rookie cookout a his house so just is showing those guys especially for me you know being the captain and leader on the team and be like you know all pro player so i just always kind of been that way even when i was in college just stand coup to walk on because at the end of the day like we're all learning together here you know like i don't wanna hang out with twenty four seven but you know we we still. We still brothers sure i the thing is kind of talking about the marg aside and decide. There's somethin' what we had. No no dinner pipe i to pilot two months ago so if you guys i don't know that we have a we all have a mutual friend who had the business and kind of connects athletes and businessmen and we have <hes> dinners and stuff and you know that's one of the times i saw you. I'm just <hes> you know one or two days before <hes> the beyond on me i._p._o. <hes> the only way i'll let you know but me and deandra china do like little party awesome. We'll we'll talk about face. That ain't no so wanna talk about. I'm going to talk about this is a business. I can get to the story about so so it is kind of talk about what you what you're trying to do. Now could obviously tell us about getting the contract you know kind of like a security blanket you want but but you wanna have generational wealth and obviously <hes> you got to do more than just get the contract so for me because i mean i i went to a couple of those dinners. These are these other but you don't always know a lot of time. You see a lot of basketball players except that we don't see as many football players so just kind of you. <hes> <hes> being turbo 'cause you're someone that's very very well known your taba crab wanted wanted. I was the best best back in the league. <hes> talk about what kind of trying to do in business world in this kind of say what you know kind of how you build the generation of wealth for me. I mean i felt like for me. I was especially for like i'm i'm not late but could have been doing this a lot. Sooner in there which is okay okay because you know you live and you learn but when i first guy in the lead it was about you know just partying partying and stuff like that okay i get party but you know status chilling and sitting around and you know not doing their and productive at all day you know why not you know set up meetings. <hes> like i said i which is just went to the super bowl. You know playing the n._f._l. Now athlete and so it's like why not put myself in a position. I have all these phone numbers the my phone so why not use them and to do like dennis like that and i'll for me i just wanna i wanna know you know because what you don't know you don't know and all the way to know is the expanse it and or you know get the knowledge from someone else <hes>. I've always been digging that and you know once. I've been learning about the business you know. Build your own brand. <hes> you know a on ceo and learning about stuff. It's it's ashley interests me. You know i'm like you know instead of doing. That's how could have been doing this. The whole time we put money in you know like you know i it kind of got my my hair so whereas like i'm telling my friends about this and it's like now we're all having conversations instead of us in the table talking about what we're gonna do tonight or you know like a man. I heard about to be honest. You know just trade or you know you know. Amazon yeah did this. Does that and it's like you know i wanna i wanna learn that side of the business because you know it's not like you know for basketball you could play. I mean you know five years ten years fifteen years. I'm running back like i'm only gonna play for so long and you know if i did you know five years ten years fifteen years. I'm out definitely be be happy but i still have. I mean plenty life to live so i definitely wanna know l. Like you know i wanna be busy. And have you know stuff set up with. I'm dying where i'm not even thinking about football. It's like already got this in place. I got my foundation that i'm starting up and you know that i can start working on net and just learning other still especially being l. a. athletes. I know you're not anymore. You've got to amazing you to come on yeah. Rock nation dentist go but now you. I mean being athletes in l._a. So you guys <hes>. I mean the amount of access you mentioned just so much of it is just knowing the winds right so much of it is knowing that he's opportunities exist. Let alone like having access to them growth so being athletes in l._a. The amount of like business people that are here. It's just it's dobson that you guys have to take advantage of crazy crazy. You got to like for me. <hes> is is like you have to <hes> like for me to be l._a. And to be like a no athlete athlete like have like actually billionaire numbers phone. I didn't do kick yourself because once you out of this lease is like it's too late. It's too late. You know it's way too late like show show the type of person you are now <hes> no you don't have to be fake or anything but <hes> you know just make those connections and do everything possible so if nothing did work i at least you know that just like in sports you wear car. You work hard even if the outcome is not what you want. At least you know you put yourself down the best position responsible so let's talk about. This is always a sore your subject for me but for us an amazing centimeters so let's let's talk about beyond me. I don't you don't have to tell everything because i don't wanna do listen to the park. I would be sitting here. Counting your leave out but just kind of talk about how you got into beyond in. If a guy that don't know beyond me if a vegan based company or plant thank plant plant based company and this kind of really trying to start and help the initiative of being <hes> you know more plant-based jason you not meet for the pow like a pound of meat. It's like taking eight hour. Showers with like years is land based stuff is good for you but it's like the environment as well and <hes> i read somewhere that the <hes> a four ounce piece of meat which is like you know probably what's your typical burger patties <hes> eating that the amount of water that it takes to produce that is the equivalent of a nine hour shower athletes you know talking about i gotta get gotta get the state ah protein protein. I gotta get all this but it's just like i mean it makes you feel a lot better and it doesn't taste bad. I taste actually take you know it actually tastes good and to be able to i mean i had a meeting with those guys probably like a year and a half ago and you know you you know the andre hopkins. That's one of my you know great friends. He's ambassador <hes> in he's ambassador for them to come at me on the football opa signed to approach me to become you know wonder beyond me ambassadors and i think it's good to show kids that it's all right through. You don't have have to be like you can eat what you want like you. Don't be judged because you don't eat a certain way because you don't eat you know beef or you. Don't eat turkey like if you want to do it. Serena williams doing or hotel bedroom or lebron james. They're being planned for like we're showing on showing that you know just the way you should be. You should be in this way because he now fifty years from now. You don't wanna because with a problem that you can't can't get rid of a lot of credit to be on meat for realizing that because it was it was going to be the athletes that are that really paved the way it's you guys are the ones who are it's traditionally like daft. Eat protein all these things but if you guys can can eat plant based or at least you know a couple of meals a week plant-based then still pennywise the higher level is like yeah yeah well. You know why not saving the universe and it's good stuff about in you know health is well yeah so so so <hes> <hes> <hes> beyond me i._p._o. This pie couple months probably like a month ago. Maybe twenty five twenty five dollars this year. We had conversation before we not even gonna talk about figures and all that we conversation before so that that dinner yes so i knew you and that was probably with a couple of days before they went ahead <hes> literally so both take a step back so this this is how i i heard beyond on meet in december eighteen. I think it was december twelfth. I remember looking back at our text messages and i told you the story so when we come back from a week long road trip. You're gone for a while. We were golf like a week week and a half so as you get back on the road to be tire. You're like man i do nothin'. The first couple of days is john chill so matt's x. Men text me. We got a meeting with the c._e._o. And the president chairman of beyond meat so the thing that matt so he texts me about it <hes> but he knows like if you if you put all the details in the text messages into the lengthy message i probably wouldn't have read all of it not so kind of tried to like summit up in like like three sentences so like looked at it. I'm just looking. I'm like i'm not i'm. I'm not i'm not vegan. I'm not playing bass and i had no idea how to kind of get into like the combo what i was going to do so i was just like you know what matt i. I should've asked him. I said about oh. We think we can do with them. I didn't do that. I was just like <hes> phnom kong tire. This is his time fast forward <hes> six months down the line to appeal twenty five dollars year and then kick myself when i twenty five now kicking myself like hell because what i think i woke up this. It's more. I think there were one seventy one seventy a share so i remember when the i._p._o. <hes> the first day out in the facility looking looking and i'm looking at the stock and is probably an hour since i._p._o. In this this this is already sixty dollars year facetime yo whereas you on the show you win the on he's in the bahamas on a boat sunglasses on like yo and you're here on your needs yeah. I knew that they asked him to go to like brandon talked about it and he had to go to the bahamas kaelin autumn. I'll just say okay. Cool like you know you manager. Autumn soldiers are they all going on mytalk opened. My girlfriend was going. I can't go. I can't just can't to her for like now the day before so so i knew it was just the fact that after we had conversation about your involvement would beyond the i call you and is literally very like this money's making money our sold out of dame look his best life moment. He is making a bag his children. He earned it man. You deserve chair man. I really denver even like look back on it like that. Take another blessing in life. No definitely <hes> so yeah so so this. This is something that for for everyone does going to tune into. This is something that we're going to do <hes> to end every episode you know this kind of ten lay hearted it questions you see the light hearted their question we call it. The <hes> the light-hearted so show mob for the artwork geiger's <hes> so first question probably be like what's what's your biggest pet peeve long text messages inquest. I feel that test is is the relationship but i get along. I get a lot of like paragraphs graphs. You know you need to call me. Say voice memo or something because i gotta sit there and read all of it. It was a good start doing divorce my mind i can do like regular people but like not i'm an argument. 'cause i nancy gonna be yelling trump yeah. I'm not doing that. Biggest fear snake favorite cartoon retuned growing up the simpsons. I stay home moms childhood celebrity crush <hes> ooh so many megan love ukraine from jamie foxx andrew who like to everybody was a little celebrity cross dot aren't you to name them. All the members coming back <hes> i was <hes>. What superpower would you want a la fly okay <hes> if you could switch lives with anyone for a day who would it be stan. Kroenke great answer has unlimited screaming eagle uh-huh and unlimited bag what prevents professor. I think about what profession other than your. What do you want to adopt basketball say they. I wish i really tried tried baseball baseball baseball for me. There's no better sound and sports than hearing the wooden bat. I like a home run. The ball and you did hear it now for sure. It's just like i'm josh is great. Uncle was the first african african american player for the yankees won on m._v._p. Got like five five worst series rings etc so by you who would play you in the girlie movie michael b jorde great answer. What is the what is the title for the current chapter your life what like decide if you like like what you're doing right now if you could just say the money made like <hes> whatnot businessman and for me right now be like <hes> it may obviously athlete but it'd be more like philanthropist. You know business investor knock. I would say those three together the last one if heaven exists. What do you want to hear. God's say when you pull up. Welcome talk to the golden gates. Welcome my nigga. That's all that's what i wanna hear but boy. I've been waiting on you cheating too. Many times. Thank ski food gimme away from all the crazy <hes> but <hes> it's kinda. Can't you know wrapping. Thank you for and thank you for being on on is listening but <hes> you know then <hes>. There's no surpri descending here having this conversation. There's no surprise you know where you are right now. Being you know the best back in the league <hes> the grown businessman you know it's no surprise of audit success. You have just because how home where you are how you know you talk talk about. You know <hes> you're a lot of times when someone is as good as you. You can be big. You think you're bigger than yourself the way that you're <hes> no talk about how you care about other people the way you you talk about how you connect with people in i'm how you are just amazing so you know we don't don't change that. Gotta be man because it'd be another guy is big as or bigger than the ten years from now you know basketball's not gonna stop doc view football stuff. That's kind of high. Look at it though mass thank you so much for coming on. It's been in a plaza appreciate. Thank you good luck in new orleans to movies <music> <music>.

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Henry (Hop) Ellard

Huddle Up with Gus

49:14 min | 11 months ago

Henry (Hop) Ellard

"Welcome to our podcast. Huddle up with gusts where we talked about. How sports helped shape their life? I'm your host former. NFL quarterback gus fraud. And I'm joined by longtime friend and Co host. Dave Hager bigger. We are a radio DOT com original podcast and you can find us on the new radio DOT COM APP or anywhere. You listen to your favorite podcast. Now let's get in the huddle in the huddle. This week is one of my good friends. The guy played with for a long time with the redskins amazing career amazing stats love. SA- game of football great family great family person. Great Father. Great Husband Just just one of my favorite people I've ever got to enjoy this game with You Research Henry you seen all his stats impressive impressive. Very impressive big play receiver. There's no doubt that's my memory of Henry is always Lottie are tell you what the thing I've been most else jealous of of Henry is that he could do a front flip and I can't even do front role. I need a trampoline and I still struggle all right so they joining us in the huddle today. henri-albert hop how you doing buddy glad to have you on glad to be doing where so Henry United played together. I know a lot about you but I don't know enough about you. So we're going to investigate a little bit about when you're a kid growing up in Fresno and when you were that little kid what was attics. First thing that drew you to the love of Sport Oh does always active. I'm the I'm the youngest of nine five older brothers. Three older sisters solid is always trying to find something to get into I remember when I was five years old turning on the TV in salt his guy. streaking down the sideline had number. Twenty two on in had big star on the side of the town of Bob Hayes in my first memory of of football and that just became my team and I said that's something I I I love to do. Didn't think would ever happen off my motivation bullet Bob. He's one of the fastest guys ever. Yes yeah I think I had played. The guy was probably probably Sastre. Odor agree with right there with ask your I saw that I saw agreeing. We played into England hop. When what are you tracked down Curtis Martin Hallway and Cottam it like the ten occurs only handling sixty hours ago when like a whole football field? That cat was fast. The company for Henry so so hot. So you're this little guy growing up in Fresno did you have. A bunch of friends is a good neighborhood. Where you guys go out or is it basically your family? No I mean. I had a bunch of buddies that play football mistreats like you know everybody in the neighborhoods words and even. When I wasn't together with my friends I will be out in the front yards? Kinda thrown a ball up to myself especially when it was raining. It did something I enjoy doing all the time I want when it came to playing the game of football and this one thing led to another. I didn't think I would ever have that opportunity all the little guys in seventh grade. I was five to And I remember walking home from a pop warner practice had learned well up in The Hague plenty of leads to order guy for sitting on the poorest the hard to make a comment about the water board and Kinda funny at the time became active accent. It would would not in take it personally motivate guy across in house one of my motivations and that continued to grow and develop a player. All what happened back in my mind today. Whatever making sure enough one thing led to another right and did you play other sports kid as well they attract track with another a passion of mine and in the office of another way to stay in shape or a long jump? Triple jump around on. The relay team did something that kept me active in and Jake. We're you the youngest first or oldest world. Where would you fall in line of of how many kids you say nine eight yeah? I'm the baby of nine eighty nine that you get a lot of you know they. The only say stuff flows downhill. You get a little bit of everything at the end of it. That's for sure I'll only will create enough to play football at a couple of other. This the ran track not only one crazy enough to play football by the data part of me all the way through. What's the key to being a great triple jumper besides just natural troll -bility because there's there's a little more to it than any other events the balancing coordination with the big part for me and it came from natural the first time I'd jump which was my junior year in highest legit forty five feet the normally Code what is pretty good. You know considered the first time on June on. I went on to finish out the evening. That forty nine that year Went into my senior year. Started out at forty nine hundred. Seventy two feet beat my senior year in high school. Wow was that close to set a record state record or anything. I just under one in the state but the national the quarterback well Dave. I think it's not only skilled talent but it's also strength. I mean if you think about like the triple jump like how seems Goleta. Timing is your big stri strides but it also been out a lot of strengthen your legs to have a lot of everything that so what was it like you go through and you're playing pop warner and you're trying to figure out life basically. We're all kids at that point but What was that like when you made that transition? From Pop Warner to the next level up free debt step to high school yell late bloomer more because my sophomore year of JV team not even letter. Bobby play to game that my give a year. It just wasn't developed yet had come through Bob Coordination that income through at that point in time so I just kept working Motivated motivator for me My freshman year to a sophomore year to prepare for Varsity at next year. You run track my sophomore year because of the in fact also focused on wanting to make football a path up on track train year. Round and sure enough Came Junior Year of starting and it was Kinda history from a met point. Did you have a lot of support from your parents. Yes something my mom. My Dad was always on the road. My mom would always said look. Don't let anybody tell you can't do you. Go out and give it one hundred ten percent at least you give legit bats. I saw an. I remember that that was a motivator for me And she was always on my side. Always pushing me to be the best I guess. Even when I was a little kid now I remember that in Alabama motivator with my driving force throughout my life did. Do you have a coach in high school. That really kind of gave you a little extra abuse. That kind of inspired you. Yeah it really started at my junior high level coach Sullivan. I play basketball. Ran Track and I just remember. You always pushes you know always told me I had ability but you just had to keep pushing yourself at work and get better where he was my first coast. They really motivated me on. Then when I got into the high school level. Dave Harris was my football coach. And then Dave Robinson was my track coach. Both guys you know just believe me inspired in push me. That'd be the best that I can be and I just kept striving to do that. Let's harder Henry up up track workout or a football workout. I tell you what I would say football just for the fact of and the thing I learned earned and this was later on my career When I vacuum with the risks are not trained would attract coach that coast my pal and I'll have for the first time workout with Mike pilot and it's amazing? How in tune track athletes are with their bodies? They all about recovery as you put it work where football it is not heard heard new junior grinder. That's just the way we build a new one day. The detractors said as he was running splints he's thinking can you feel that they feel. What what I mean? If there's no pain I can't fill it but that's how it is in track. You know it's all about recovering you put in the work but it's a full recovery where football you're the grinding all the time. There's no pain you don't know anything. Different rights. Dave our member Henry our lockers close right in at the redskins and he used to bring this. I don't know like a magnet or something. And he put on his hamstring every day to go out and practice like he he had a hamstring and then he had like these big like spandex diver's suit he put on this because he had to keep his but what he's saying is true is like in football while they're so day off so there's no like I think I feel tweak I'm not gonNA take a break. Yeah there's none of that you go out through everything and and if you don't feel it when you don't think you're working to that magnet yes it worked out a circulate the blood and through knuckle keeps the loose in and we haven't had answering glove town. These magnet. The flashback right in the back of the ball panics. It didn't take a lot boom. I've been at that time outside. That magnesium would keep out in my hand. I would pull a hamstring Henry. Just he always had something they they'd like. I remember the one time I think he brought scuba gloves in. Put Him on for for catching. Yeah try these if it rains and all that stuff so Andrews always innovative live about new products coming out. And that's what we're there when the rams mid West Coast team you know when we go back in New England the cold weather places we were we even worth it can protect the hands Come on man you hated the cold. Yeah Best Game and folks when forced me to focus on football right so in high school. It sounds like you're a little bit of a late bloomer on drums of your success as a receiver in high school Did that come around your junior year. Or when did you start getting attention from colleges rally into my junior going into my senior year off. I see okay mirrors a chance. I get an opportunity to play the tallest up. It's GonNa win. That came about it. I played receiver. And I'll always on the field you know on never came off three or for special teams anything else allow on the field with the our played into my cuny. You're going to send you myself okay. Maybe there's an opportunity to play at the top level. So how many schools recruited you Outta high school Between track in Football Oregon Idaho Arizona Within the MIC for a little bit One of the school Middle Tennessee state with one another schools But I'M GONNA I'm the Mama Board. You're saying close to where outgoing fake look. So did you think about. Did you run both track and played football in college. Yes and the great thing about that is when I signed my little attempt to Fresno state they told me I didn't have to bring all competing in track. Oh man that would have been really nice. Yeah minhas where would you run in college. I read on on a four hundred one long. Jump behind trump and triple Jones and Henry Arizona. grads hearing hearing that you omelette. Or you're thinking about Arizona's big tease. Yeah but I don't blame you aren't we've we've never. We still haven't had an all PAC twelve quarterback ever. How how many you said that? They had Arizona's on one of their top FIS but they never gone. There was just a regarding an all pro paulie. Well obviously recruiting trips. I think the Arizona I guess as a good recruiting recruiting trip to Tucson a sign that we can't ever close it. I don't know why he got. Don't close the deal. Well it helps to have better order back. We just never have quarterbacks. Yeah maybe they should. Maybe you should call them it. Didn't it didn't stop gronk up grown in hop. You're going through your college career. WHO's your quarterback Fresno first year Freshman year was Gary tying her with a senior quarterback that we had a near for a little while then. I'll Sergio discount on with another guy and really My junior senior when things start to take off an offense Jeff Tedford who was course now the president trump those coach. He was my quarterback but union year. Oh that's pretty good nick. Yes across Wyoming was stepped on page played for the Kansas City chiefs that can set. NFL recognize the Bradenton Brooklyn. Wow so hop you go through your college career career. What was your? What's your favorite memory from Fresno state so many memories Probably plan in a new stadium. Okay didn't A my freshman and sophomore year. We played an older stadium. It was the end of my sophomore year. I I believe we built the new board off getting that further now in going to play the game against Montana state was a special moment. You know All and especially when you when you get a chance to score and the new thing of very special right. How's it? How's the crowd support it Fresno I heard it's like it's dedicated indicated base? Yeah walking down we call it Is really been that. They've been big on promoting it in enough that you will get a Japan. The Nikkei family and that's a big part of a lot of the kids. There you know Krudick come in from the balance so you keep their then home. Everybody's homegrown for the most part. Do you back often. I'll try to get up there every time I've been back in a couple of years but I need to get back up there especially now. Jeff Tedford Coaching get the hang out with him and talk about old. Memories is always a good thing. You're going to have all those kids like you. Jeff will be talking and saying hey I the played the other back here and the kids would be like like they look at me now like are you like yeah exactly sunlight remind. Yeah do I would tell justice I was look grab a couple of highlights. Let them see those without the same. Let let let the film speak itself and now understand. Why think if Henry did a front shown the videos a lift everyone stop talking and listen? That's that's an amazing award flip in full uniform. Show them all the records Henry as for as well or apt to this should snus into right so happy. If you go through your your your college career you have an amazing college career. I mean what was the record. You told me about twenty four point four yards a catch still record chronicles so I just run. Go routes all. I'll tell you what my junior year Tokes Weenie at the time He doubted we had a pro style. Passive attack so we run in twenty yard dig rows. You don't my comeback route one routes. I love runs so just want to everything. Was Clicking at Jeff. Jeffrey back on the football had stefan page on the other side. They couldn't stop us everything we try Kinda worked while twenty four G. H. The steelers. I don't think through the ball over twenty four yards last night. So you could add up all their catches twenty four yards up further than past your your Fresno. When did you start? Get an an inkling that you the NFL was was calling for you our products. They must senior year going into my senior year. We had six. We'd play played organized junior at home and we beat them. We Played Oregon State would beat them play Arizona and beat Arizona. And you know wants to success started to happen in these numbers start to build you know all of a sudden I'm getting letters and calls and it's like okay. Maybe there's AH here still wasn't sure but But there are definitely new opportunity. Did you go to combine. Yes back then. They had three different combine combine. They have one in Tampa one was up in Detroit in there was another one What they in Seattle? If I'm not mistaken in the IT's funny part about it is. I hurt my shoulder my senior year. Well even before Going into my senior year. Not at Warner missed so I'll klay with a dislocated shoulder my whole senior year and it was probably Three maybe four games would pop out of place. I'll run off off the field there lately down. They're pulling popper backing. I'll go back in the game of I got used to look like a cue coming up. You have to put it back on and go back in the game. And that's what I did my senior senior year. Wow would you say about that because you know you try to hide it from ever knew about use your you know. But I just didn't want rich shirt. I wanted to play on my senior. That's what I didn't have the surgery once the season was over. So you're a high second round pick. Did you improve your stock at the combine. It can imagine you really excelled at some of this kind of recovering from older. When I look at it that makes you knew? Solid never had the issue with it. But I don't know because I didn't do a lot run route which I would've loved it. Had that opportunity but because of my shoulder surgery. I never got a chance to to do that. So did you can have an idea that that you were gonNA be drafted by the rams. Not Funny Part about it is is. The raiders will high on in the first round. So I thought it's a chance I may go to the raiders in the first round but then I guess come to find out dive most bar who the six seven to high school kids with on radar And that's where the raiders ended up taking but John Robinson told me with the rams he said if you're all right we'll take Eric and if I if we can if you're around in the second we're GonNa pick you so a little nervous because after the rams picked in the first round it was Washington not the New York jets east coast teams right in the West Coast. I won't have to go to an east coast teams nervous until rand started. Come up and that's when I got the phone call net enough. They'd be peace of mind about it. Would you do on draft day like what was the scenario funny part about it is back then. It was eight o'clock in the morning so it was five o'clock west coast time when when the draft ACSI happened so which was better for me. 'cause I couldn't sleep any well so nervous said not watching the watching the Watching the come along you know in in right before they drafted me announced. It is when I got the phone call. Did you ever raise Eric. No never did eric. In Ron I'll tell you what he very smooth berry. Cyber Rookie Year are encamped. John Robinson. Awesome you gotta run these head coach. Amran he'd wrong No effort not just how he was until you put somebody up next two hundred and he runs away from the time you can tell of that. He was running a perfect example. That New York jets game when he broke down the sideline d tried to running down and couldn't do it. He can fly apply for a big guy. Six to twenty. Will you guys. Are you guys friends still yes. Yeah we'll roommates Rookie year for for a while and GM became good friends. Who has more hair now? You're not funny about that. who both came in Jericho in the jury in the funding? Then we came back maybe four years later we both cut it off at the same time not talking to the just having to happen that way so he had more than idea. Would I remember some of those old pictures you at the wrist. Yes no doubt the beard food and the girl. So what was your like you come in you got you got some experience. You you've been running all kind of Ralph's you've been in a pro style system in college you get to the rams. What was your favorite route that you learned? That was new to you. When you got the Rams I tell you you what? And that's the only thing about pro style passing tickets Fresno State it prepared me Iran Egypt every route those in the book and I love every one of my padlock everybody talks about the combat is the one that I loved Iran but the the corner out the dig route. I mean I made a lot of plays love New York giants on back in the day because they play cover two but they didn't have that backward ran down the middle fee. Right though you can't four different Dig Route. You got a hundred plus yards. I read that plan against the giants. All the time is one of the great route runners to ever play like to our a young listeners. Like what would what key running a really good route is a is all about transition and your body language. That's the most important part of in the have the ability to Give allusion running down a Filipino. You're changing direction without giving anything away. So I'm always coaching at with the the younger guys. This is what is your body. What are you doing which is not learned this early on but the ramp from Leroy Irvin who one of our defense of bats. I ran around and he kinda squatted on in in our. He's you know what Wa Squad I said no he said you look into a spot at the field something. I'll never been toned up something I would have never thought and little things like that. Make all the gifts in the world and ever since Stan always stared at the DB down just so I can give anything away with my ex. You know you don't think about that as a receive you think about your body language. Your Hands Chore Is Not Raising Up and things like that our chattering defeat but he picked up on the fact that I was looking to spot a field which is normal for receive. When like when you go line up you look into where you WANNA run around? He picked up on that and now the very valuable lesson to learn from from leeward. I mean it's it's great when you have old players that are your peers older that will give you instruction and I actually. We were playing Tampa Bay when when I was. I think those rookie or my second year in Warren Sapp came up to me after the game and he says gus you got to change your feet today was up. You Change your feet. I knew if it was passed by the way your feet word I studied. Did you all week so from that point on. I kept my feet. Even yeah so that nobody could know or give away any oil. And he told you that after the game there like after he was laying atop he's laughing whispered in your ear. Wise chartered is standing over me. Like what do wrong. So Henry you made it to the redskins after successful with the Rams so you were there in ninety four warwick gusts was a rookie. Do you have a first oppression. Gus as a rookie. You're savvy that at that point so you know you're sonically image gus who still up and coming in and trying to learn things. We had John Freeze with the veteran quarterback we brought over from San Diego so in that first year would know of. I'll tell you we'll lighten it up winning married. We weren't winning very many games but we were lighting it up so we had had a good thing going and then gets to a point throughout the season he was number one pick. Of course you get halfway through the season. They're not winning very gay. They'RE GONNA make a change connect with ended up doing They made a change of to John in brought in a heath and we struggle because he nothing gets. He's but Tennessee in the way they did things they was a little different than the way we do things that the NFL loving he he struggled he really struggled for awhile with it. And then finally we made the switch to gus and things started to take off again. Yeah we gus was true passive. Well Yeah we came from a different system than heath did we. We actually interviewed Keith in not too long ago. Yeah it was the first time that he and I have ever done an interview together together. Basically but I was interviewing him so it was Kinda strange. It went really well and no animosity towards each other just right we played the same game. We we all. We did whatever we did and it was. It was a great interview so it was really nice to reconnect with them and kind of get some old ghosts out of the way. You always wonder under right. You always wonder what I was saying so that was good but when you talk about first impressions so I'll never forget like trona comeback. Is You know the the different coverage you got thrown against right man off. Bail all these things and so I said struggled I remember I was struggling and I said Henry I gotta get this down on. I gotTa do this. He said all right years. We're GONNA do. Here's what it used to do Jim Right which I'm all ears. He said when when I look back at you I'm going to be running down asylum. A look back when I look back at you. Let it rip outside and from that point on that Thailand throat comeback and like all the stuff that norv used to teaching teaching and put air on pitcher. Big target that into mute compute. Because I'm looking at a target but the receiver might be not thinking GonNa say target. Yeah so we're all up with Henry. I knew it. He looked back at me. I knew right where my target was gonna be and from that point on just taught let me throw comeback and I use that philosophy always through when I used to work with gas but not everybody could do that. Not Everybody should be as soon as while they're running. DB and go. I like that turnaround so one of the things I started. I learned over the years. I used my vantage. Because when you're playing when you got a guy playing man to the main coverage I'll look back inside. The Agus with that quarterback may be if he's looking to the other side can never come out of the route. 'cause I don't WanNa give it away you know and it was like I say with cousin at the same thing for Jim Everett. If I'm running down a feeling I'm waiting for him but look at me and I said let the ball go. That's when I'll come out of my route and the time always worked out very well for us is just getting in Houston target point. We'll tell me before the show. He thinks that you has never completed a pass. That was not a first down. I think that's one of our stats. What's Yeah I would agree with? That doesn't mean I didn't throw him. He got blasted wasn't always perfect. But Henry Nine connected acted on twenty four point one yeah. I'm sure we were close to that. It was amazing with on whether it was a dig. A seven comeback back. You knew hop was coming out of that and to learn how to throw a ball with anticipation. You need a guy like Henry. Because if you don't don't have a guy like Henry it's really hard to do. I mean he had a lot to do probably with your growth. I mean you might not be the same quarterback without having him as a veteran veteran as a rookie right. And you know I couldn't grab a pool Henry out there every second of every day because he's a vet you know they do that substrate. Oh can't care renowned throughout quarterbacks can't do that these days they can't just go out and throw throw throw they're not allowed to off season right different but I. I can't tell you how many times I threw the ball with Cam. Cameron telling me like throw comeback seven up drop. I don't even see seven sept drops anymore under center. Yeah Yeah sure I'll tell you what And just you're talking about taking back again your rookie year. It might have been I start. I know we repented Indianapolis Colts in. We'd call I think it might have been four. Twenty eight might have been in the The concept was calling in yet. Look in your eye okay. It just wanted to give you a piece of mind cause you had enough to think about and not like I say Okay Gus the zone coverage daughter ball three thousand numbers. I get it and sure enough. Push up the field eighteen yards turning the corner. She three yards inside the ball. The ball's coming soon of our brand through kit in make it. But that's the Fox. We you have to be. If you can't learn from the guys that have been there and take coaching. You're not going to be around. Just how it is you know and you know the thing is that you would on a coach as they say. The greatest this show in Turkey just interviewed Isaac last week. Okay Okay what special player. Yeah I mean you got to get him in Tori. What was that like coaching? Those guys I'll tell you what they made my job easy for guy coming in first years of the as a young coach to got got either groups you got tory. Hope you got ricky. He pro and you got our team in a room with it. I tell you what you let him go play. It took a lot of pride in what they did as players on the practice field in cured into through a game environment. I tell you what it was exciting to watch. Did you know towards the like when did you I think about really becoming a coach in football football coach. 'cause you you go after you a coach but after you retire. It's kind of funny because bone in my last year. Ninety Gate Someone asked me if I was getting ready to retire. You Ever Thought About coaching. I told him I will never coaches what I tell them. I believe that a player mentality. You know my thinking because I know the time and the effort that they had to put in a player. You'd have to go anywhere near that. So I went back after I retired and I went back to Fresno and I'm a busy body. You know so much golf you can play and my wife as he told me. I need to do some with myself nick. So one day I was working out at A. Ymca opened up a newspaper in the small Christian School in Southern California who had hired a coach in two weeks before they were going to start he walked away from Manhattan out to these KITA SAMA following store. They hide inside the coach volunteer. That's how I got into coaching the death of two years at the high school level. So you know what I kinda like this. So I reached out to Pat He'll that Fresno state the head coach coach. I'm thinking about this coating Allah come up there for years volunteering. I wanted to do and I was in two thousand when up Eh fell in love with it you know and say okay. Maybe some money to do within on say two weeks at the after the season was over when Mike Marsh took over with the Rams by recruited me out of High School Fresno State Connection. That's I knew Mike Mark so he said I heard you in a coaching. You know what you think about coming out here and you know and and see if you'd like say well let me think about it. Then when are these. MP's easy called me and said He. Henry this is a great opportunity. That's up jumped on the rest of his head. Coach for fourteen years. had a blast doing so hop when did did you meet Lillian we made it back again. eighty nine. I believe it was US On Southern California where out that an event and didn't know if she has her story I have mine. Of course I told as you walk by me about five different times before she got my attention. She said I was standing between where she was sitting in the bathroom. Regan she kept passing me but Yeah just one of those things where you'd never think is going to go anywhere and one thing is especially because I just got a previous marriage side platinum plans on getting married again. I I really didn't but she changed my mind in a hurry. That's for sure. Are Your children athletic. Yes I have four girls. I have one boy Henry Junior. He played football in high school a little bit in college. But he's in the fashion merchandising. Business he lives in New York London for him Our daughter Whitney played in high school on then she had married of The other Cristiana. She ran track at Trinity University for Copying decided to focus on her studies. The same with the one after Alex played volleyball. Aw Ran Track on thin clouds. She's in our second year outside Old Center Studies. And I have a junior in high school here at San Antonio Christian where I coach who plays volleyball and runs track and plays basketball wished. She doesn't. She's continue to do that. She's probably the one that had the best chance to get a starship at the college level in any of them do a front flip like your old man. No no back to happen. So have you played the game at the highest level for a long long time. We've coached at the highest level for a long time. What are some of the similarities between being a player and a coach the biggest thing for me And even as Arizona's coach trying to teach guy that they came natural even think about until I had to try to explain it to someone else then I had to go back and look at the break. Okay how can I explain this to some want. And what is it can tour to great The players they both learn two different ways so again been ever give them information that they can process. I think where the guy who wanted to walk. Battlefield is Jordan jobe landmark trimming. What I need to do tour you can put it up on on the film on the Board? He got so this child. Learn those things that now I used to Put together in my mind. been you know. Convey those things to players is not always easy task you know especially especially depending on where that player is some real knocking someone that just takes time and it is really time in repetition. So like I. I understand how you worked with me. When I was a quarterback? What are some of the things that you did to help quarterbacks when you were playing and then when you were coaching because you can go and give a quarterback it's beneficial to hear from the receivers coach as well? That was one of my favorite things you know. Well terror terror. Bisky was very quiet when he was at the Redskins. Everybody I do a lot like because you wanna be on that same page be important. Yeah I think the the biggest thing is I think which itself especially a young quarterback you got enough to think about. I'M GONNA try to keep it simple as possible. I think that's the most important part of it. We get so complicated when it comes to this game especially at the coach which had to do too much but in letting the guy's line play. I think that's the bottom line so I'll try to simplify it as much as I could as a coach at what is a player you know this is the only thing unique. Think about you know what you need to focus on an essay on worried about the rest of this is what you need to lock in because you can get caught up in the listen in and everything and trying to figure things out especially the young player they here and everything and it sounds Chinese tool for the most likely is not used to hearing it softened up this what you need to do and and a lot of times what I would do with the young guy that would go back and figure out what what they did to their former colleges. How did they terminology and I were relating? Okay this is what what they would this what we mean by this race looking to you call in you know a great what we call it blew. It showed right until you learn learning the more time repetition it they start to pick up on but I try to give them something. They can relate to the mix Louise Default Knicks lot easier. Now you've now you've played sixteen years as a player You face a lot of cornerbacks. Who gave you the hardest time as a cornerback? Always one of those guys is that that gave you a tough time. 'cause again he was fast. I just relied on my quickness more than anything else with him. Of course Dion Sanders always had the plan Be On top of your game when you played against a guy like that. I remember back. When he was playing baseball and football he played one game and then the next day he he came into play for the line of Fox? All he's going to be rusty. I'll tell you what you would have thought things after the whole year you special and you had an. I love playing against guys like did you had to be on top of your game. That's for sure. How about how about a quarterback? That was a really successful corner. But you had an easier time with Trump thank here geographies Rod Woodson. Not Very often with Pittsburgh lady wants nothing my pay the couple of times and one thing when I think about Rod Woodson I was running a a a drag rob across the field and as I was running the ball with star behind me issue enough he undercut me and picked it all so I'll try to slot the ball. swath out of hand and end up pulling it out of his arm and taking the ball. They run up the field with it is one of those things. But I didn't get a chance to play against him very often at all. Yeah he would've played against like I remember we used to light up sleepy sparks but if an because he used to be more with another one yeah they used to come up and say like they always like play because it was a battle if they knew they were going to be in for long day played against US would corner was the the biggest talker. You know the funny part is you would think the but we had a beautiful respect for one another so that was never issue. You know who it is. Tim Acquired Tired forty-nine all grant his mouth all the time a and I tell you what I love those kind of guy. 'cause they tried to get your head and every time talking about looking at me smile and go back to the driving prater. You were getting hops head now that I wouldn't allow that to happen too funny part about that my last year when I went complaint in New England with these. MP's I was brought in for a tryout. And I get in the van. I'm sitting there and all of a sudden I hear this voice and I'll turn look at timber car all remember the low day right there all that day we got after the workout one wants minneap eight him a lot and I say yeah just like good old days right tell you what but he was God that we just talked all the time author so we could go on and on with stories ever part of our shows about transitions that we all make from where kids learn in this game learning whatever sport we love and we have to go through transitions. It's like you said you were undersized. Is You had to put it into work time but you also have to have a support a community that wants to help you. Is there and one of the things we talk about. Are All those transitions so talk about something that happened. All those transitions. That really helped get where you are today. Now they like the really the structure of football disrepair because you deal with adversity in life and that's the great thing about football ups and downs and and and the disappointments Ns like to see what my guys you know is good to have success. But how do you respond when times. Get tough dropping. Ed Ball a tomato times. It's not a matter if a win. You're going to respond. Are you going to lean girl. Are you gonNA put it behind. You like to talk about the defensive guys gotta be a short term memory. You got to move on from some guys. Some guys caught up in one place to another other guys can put behind them and they keep moving forward. You know it s one. The things I learned is that you've got to have a short term memory temporary setback. Keep moving on. It helps of course get another ball putting your hand. You get a chance to make a plate. I basically profit right but but ought not always easy thing but that prepares you for life. You know down the line to mind with going into the transition As I got ready to retire I wasn't sure I wanted to get into Trying to struggling with that and then I can say that the cut coaching bank amy. which will the natural fit and really worked out well for me? I mean. I couldn't wait for Sunday. It was funny because my first experience of Info on a Sunday I was looking at some of the other coaches and how nervous to work out that I read and I guess maybe because I played on a game on Sunday then made a difference for me. I know what to expect. And how to how to handle things but thousand learning experience for the most part in how to handle things getting scituate especially when it came to the players and how to prepare them. You know on a game day and how to adjust different situations to wait And I guess I had a blast i. It was blessed to play the game for sixteen years Get in the coach. Fourteen years in transition. Now to where okay. I got to spend some time with my family did they. They didn't put enough time on on the line for me. NAFTA HALF MITIGATE BASTARD I said okay we made the move to seventy tonio Texas because my mother-in-law lives let's hear and I had an older daughter inside of Trinity University failed to make the move and I had to in high school at the time and a lot of the track working out one day. The athletic director say I heard you have to see it. You know we'd love you to come up with the football program so you have my daughter's here. Why not and so? That's what I almost brought me. Full Circle is what it ended up doing from when I first got out in the football at the high school level because this is a team that had four coaches in five years no stability whatsoever and some art went out to these young and I said Long. I'll do what I can kind of help out. So I started a receivers coach then that next year the coach the head football coach left and went back to the college ranks. He will see I think two years they. They hired themselves Another coach he was here ten days and he went back to the college ranks. Talk to these kids of my phone with Africa. I knew what he was asking me. Whatever I can do? My daughter was a freshman at the time that they would have tuck and do do to help out this program. I'm here to do it. So that's what I've been doing for the last three years. It's up wait wait. I heard one thing though that you were working out on track I want you to read. We just walking or were you actually doing mark out. I'll tell you what they're the funny part about on love working out. I just WanNa love the workout so about three three years ago before we moved here from Warren's I was at the track. My my daughter was in a a U Kapiti so we look at working out and I thought if older guide Pole vaulting onto what. He's up to so when over. I started talking to this guy. He's going to get a Master's program at the track and field. Love love where they go by age groups. I really started. I did some research looking into it and sure enough from like from forty to forty four war from forty five to forty nine from fifty they get these different age groups. Say you know what just to give me something. Do you know the motivator staying tape. The shooter competing again of trouble. Dropping along jumping. What would your distance on the triple? Now ah just said why did not just set but From the fifty to fifty five to fifty nine said age group record which yeah. I think it's forty three feet debut not GonNa try that later you could add five of my jumps up together. Maybe maybe maybe maybe the United Thurs while hop. That's amazing so and now nominated for goal jacket. How you feel about that? I'll I'll tell you. What is everybody this time of year when it comes up with everybody wants to start talking about it? I'm blessed. I play the game of nine up from sixteen years with the blessing. When you're not saying if this happened is icing on the cake? I'm not GonNa you know. Let it identify me you know. I'm thankful for the nomination. And if it happens it happened back. I'll tell you what they're fortunate to play of longer that day. Well I'm definitely vote for yourself. Appreciate that I'll be there when you get it well uh-huh and when you combine opera receiver but he coached longtime the NFL too. I mean that's a lot of years devoted to the NFL. It is a lot of years and and just his stature in the NFL and the way he handled themselves away. He taught others the way a he presented himself on the field and the way he played the game. If that doesn't get you to to where everybody wants to get I don't know what will because Henry you're the ultimate competitor editor the ultimate friend the ultimate player on that field that. I think that we're missing a lot today. When I watch a lot of these guys play and go I mean we know firsthand and if Abe had your attitude You know what I mean. It was a different story and just to see that guy go rowdies go on. There's something going on there. It's sad but I got to play with people like Henry. David and there are the epitome of what a professional is him in the Reverend Jim in the revenue we find out that while you're nicknamed hop because we understand why now then we talked to Isaac and his nickname is the reverend so we felt that story as well. So it's pretty interesting so who gave you. The nickname hop it came from the football players is in Fresno state came out and watch the track me. And I'll triple jumping so it started with grasshopper invented this short knowledge down. Alan would end up happening by the time I got to the NFL level. 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Kurt Warner

Huddle Up with Gus

1:04:23 hr | 2 months ago

Kurt Warner

"Hey everyone we appreciate you joining us in the huddle I'm your host fifteen year NFL quarterback Gus rod inside my longtime friend and Co host Dave Hager, where we talked to guess about how sports shaped their life. Be sure to check us out on our website up with Gus dot com where you can listen to more episodes just like this. Now let's join the huddled. Everyone. Welcome to another episode of Huddle up with Gus. I'm your host gusts for out fifteen year NFL quarterback and I WANNA introduce a great guy that's coming on today but before I do that. You, know I want you to also to be able to go to my podcasts that's on radio DOT COM to up with gus or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. You can join me on my website how with Gus Dot Com, you can find us on the sports circus or newly added is we're going to be on sixteen thirty, one digital out of Washington DC also. So our reaches growing our membership is growing and it's all because of people that are joining a like today. So Today, we have a former super bowl champion, a hall of Famer somebody that came like most of us in this country had to build their their brand up from nothing they had to work hard and it never stops and this gentleman right here never stops and I can tell you he's busier than anybody out there and he's come a long way in his life from Burlington Iowa joining me today in the huddle none other than Kurt. Warner. Kurt. Thanks her join me in huddle up with gus today. It. Got It man great to Great to see a great to talk to you. I hope hope you are well. We're trying to hold it down here in Arizona where things are a little bit crazy but. A good to be able to to catch up. Yeah I mean you say crazy you have what seven kids how many kids you have seven I do I get it. I have two grandkids so So life. This is good. It's a good crazy. Kids all over got one plan the University of Nebraska. Another one that's is going to be headed to USC whenever they go back on campus and then I've got a few shot are still in high school including one that's that's playing high school ball so I got all kinds of different things going on, but but life is fun. And I. I always kind of feel. This is what retirement should be like right is should be active and busy doing things that you enjoy y'all should have the freedom to be around your kids and your grandkids and being able to enjoy that and so I feel like the best of both worlds. Yeah you know my wife and I are going through that are all our kids are well, my daughter's vet school at Penn and and my son Gunnar just graduated from William and Mary and he's trying to figure out his next step. He wanted to be a coach and he was GonNa go Duquesne and and coach there for a year and they cancelled their season. So it's like all the stuff's up in the air. It's really insane but the you actually have grandkids is amazing I mean they just dropped him off of your house now say, Hey, we're going to go out and hang out for a little bit there and watch the kids. You know every once in a while for sure you know I understand what that's like. We remember those days when you got three year old and a two year old and running around and especially during the endemic and everything that's going on where you're quarantine more and you're stuck in your house Yeah. My daughter and son-in-law There's times I can tell that they're a little bit frazzled than it's like a and you just take. where amount we're having spend the night and we are more than happy to do that. Everybody talks about the blessing of grandkids and you don't really understand it until you have them and it has been a joy for me and my wife we love every minute of it, and so we welcome the opportunities when my daughter will just drop by. Drop the kids off you hours. Yes Co bid with this whole virus going on. You know we as bad as it is. We also were able to be together as a family for four months. You know where my daughter was home from school. My son was home from school and we got a lot closer because there are a lot older. Now we got really dig into things where they weren't just home for Christmas. So I I don't know how that was for you, but was everybody home for you. Off for the most part. Yeah. Until my my son went back to Nebraska. Kind of getting ready and and trying to figure things out We had the whole year and it's been good. I mean obviously, there's been times I think we've all driven each other crazy. We're all going a little stir crazy. We've had enough of each other so we got a separate. At times but I agree it's been a lot of great quality time and I think you know it really helps you to take a step back. We get so busy in life sometimes, and you'll things come at you and you just take on one thing after another another and you don't realize how busy you are or how little time. Little quality time you really get with your family and I think this is shown me. You know some of that like, okay. Let's let's make some changes when life goes back to quote unquote normal whatever that's going to look like. But when we get back to more normal lives, let's make sure that we carve out some time to be together more focus on each other more because I think that's something that's easily easily neglected. But we've been kind of forced to go back to that and and I'm with you. I've appreciated that part of it and grown closer to my family and a lot of ways because. Yeah I've really enjoyed it. So let's go back to your family when you were growing up in Iowa you know what was that first memory that you have of grown where you fell in love sports. Well I mean you know I didn't have a whole lot when I was growing up we lived in a small little house with a small little front yard in the front yard was connected to a really busy street But I, think my first recollection was just my brother and I out there in that little front yard with a million people going by plan one on one football. And creating rules as we go the throw the ball up in the air and you can't tackle him until they catch the ball I mean just creating corny little rules because there was just the to us in a small little area. But that was really how I fell in love with sports is you don't have a lot. It's easy to get a ball of some sort you know whether. He's and I pitched nine innings against a wall or whether it was basketball just a hoop in of askin spent hours out Nicole gloves on shoot baskets or as plane one on one football with my with my brother. So all those little things I think is was really really a a huge part of my upbringing and what brought us closer together as family brought me closer with together with my brother in those are really the earliest. Memories that I have of of what life was like, i. but also how I fell in love with with the different games or sports in general. Yeah I'm with you I. I grew up the same way. You Know Little House we didn't have much and and whatever ball she had. You know if you had a baseball baseball, you had for the whole year you there was no Dick's sporting goods around the corner where you could go get a dozen baseball's right so My Dad was a factory guy and and you know we would just have pickup games. I had an old wooden bat that was handed down through I. Don't Know How many people and you know and you'd go get a bunch of guys you go to a close filled and we all just play. There was no silver no refs or no parents and you figured out you made rules yourself and I think we learned a lot. By doing that and we learned how to play the game in a in a way that you just got through it i. Don I think kids really miss that today for some reason? I do do I mean I. Think everything is so technical and you know it's like we're building robots sometimes with our kids especially when it comes to sports because. All they WANNA do is pick one score and they want to go to a trainer and they want to do the same thing over and over and over again and and I'm with you. I feel like I learned how to throw a football by being chased around my brother in the front yard. Out How to throw it to a guy when I'm running the left and he's going to the right or When everybody's gotten played man to man coverage and you gotta realize, okay, you'll have to throw it over the defender or do I have to drive it on them and so little of you nowadays when you go to these trainers, you get opportunity to just kind of freelance and play the game and learn how to use your body to throw. I've got a son that the place quarterback in high school, and that's one of the hardest things for me to teach him is. He wants to drop back and when you drop back and you're doing all his technical stop, there's so many things that can come into play when you're running around and you've got to figure out. Okay. How do I throw it to that guy that's thirty yards away from me when I'm running to my right and you know I see a lot of these guys in the NFL now and it's amazing. Patrick Mahomes and either Murray and Russell. Wilson. Aero. Baseball players right right. And that's a big thing for me to is that played every sport because in baseball how often do you get to get a ground ball and sat up and step to the universe baiser wherever and throw it? You know not very often your movement and and you grab it in your twist in and and that was kind of how we played in the backyard and I think that is a lost art. Now with a lot of these kids that in a perfect world. They can play really well, but you know when things start to break down in their technique gets away from, can they still be successful and a lot of these guys can't because they just Haven't been out in the backyard I. Try to encourage my son all the time just invite seven over. I know you're a quarterback go play defensive back right. Different aspects of being an athlete and controlling your body, but it is it's become. So specialized that I I I'm kind of like you I feel like we've lost a lot in terms of what an athlete is what an athlete looks like. It's not just running a four four forty, the ability to control your body. And manage different things that come your direction and a lot of these kids are getting away from it because it's all about training for one specific thing. And you're right like I thought Patrick Mahomes was a breath of fresh air for that watching him and saying, Hey, I'm just going to go out and have fun. I mean when he's throwing no look passes in an NFL gave them like what what you know what I mean like Norv Turner would have pulled me out. So quick if I would ever thought of doing something like that but you know that's the I think that's the great thing about when you see people that have played multiple sports that have had success and all them you know he can go and do that and you know it's really interesting that that. We align like that because I feel the same way man, these kids I even in high school these kids are saying now I just want to play defense, right? That's all I want no play offense. Let's do it. All right. Get everybody involved. Now some teams are bigger. There's ninety kids. So You Gotta Play everybody somehow some way but I I agree with you got you gotta play Multiple Sports. So you talked about that when when you go to school in high school, you're playing multiple sports. So you go from doing all these things as young kid and you're planning your with your brother. Now you're on real teams reorganizations for me. That was a law that was a big change you know from going plane backyard stuff to really organize and coaches hammer and on your time what was it like for you? Yeah, I think there was always pluses and minuses times that you just like man I just WanNa be out here you know what I realize. Now when I coach football is that you realize you might have a squad of forty five kids and all of their for different reasons right some of them just want to be out running around with their buddies and they want to wear Jersey on Friday night and they don't they. Or they've been move on or whatever, and so I think that's sometimes the heart is when you get into organized sports, is that you you WanNa play and you WANNA be competitive. But what level do you want to play at? It can be different for a lot of different people and obviously be different coaches right sometimes, you have coaches that don't understand that. Hey, I'm out with my buddies and they think everything is about winning and getting to the next level and so. Yeah I think there's challenges but I think is also benefits of. The discipline that comes with that and you know being able to perfect your craft to. Be Accountable to team in situations that you actually have you no matter or have some bearing on them. You know I mean I loved. Competitive Sports on of organized sports I love being out there with my buddy. So just kind of depending on what the situation was that there were times that I love just to compete and I wanted to be to be the best and there are other times it was fine with me like, Hey, we got a ball in there's not at my buddies but let's go do something. Right I recently had her blang on they come flight time he's a he was a Harlem Globetrotter for eighteen years and we were having the discussion he grew up in arms. And he played football and basketball, and we had a discussion about what what was better coming out with your. Team with the Music Plan and you got your new shoes on and you got your, you know your rip off sweats getting ready to play or Friday night lights and I. Think we both came to the conclusion of there's something special about Friday night lights and everybody getting there and you're getting ready for game and it goes from being light to dark and the lights come on it was just I I don't know. I mean for me. It's always been like there's just no feeling you get from that. I think the other thing that's always special about football too is that you know seasons are always shorter and there's only so many games. That you play. It doesn't matter what level you're at You know you could bear high school football to every other sport or pro football to every other sport. You only get so many opportunities to do it and to me that's what makes it so unique and so special bomb playing one hundred, sixty, two baseball games. You know everyone's not gonNa have that same feel. Playing, ecksteen football games, and that's all I gave and that's you know those sixteen games matter every one of a matters. I think that's where it gets that feeling and and it becomes so special because it is so unique and it goes all the way down the high school level when you're playing what nine or ten games and you only got so many shots at this thing and everybody comes out for football. It's obviously you know so popular in our country. So it is a unique beast in it's so much fun. To do but I just think you know when you put that much on each and every game. Knighton. The. Experience for. Everybody whether it's a fan whether it's a coach or obviously if you're player. So your high school coach. Now you've done some coaching do you go back and think about a coach that really influenced you in high school and like some of those things that he said you your team and then you use those as well. No doubt about it. No doubt that there were certain people growing up at certain coaches. Than I really gravitated to and that really taught me in you know sports teaches more about life than it's than it does about sports. Lessons that you learn ways to carry yourself outta. Create character and value in different things. But I did have some great coaches when I was growing up. Specifically a basketball coach in high school there was also an assistant football coach. But. Just a good man and a good man of character and he pushed me art and he saw potential. But he was right there to support me no matter what happens. and. So I, think about that all the time and you know and I try to take that into consideration when I'm coaching is what kind of do I want to be and how can I help all these different kids and a big part of that is is trying to recognize what they want to get out of their experience and then trying to get them that as a coach some kids want to move on and they WANNA. Play at the highest level. So can you push them and can you teach them to the point where they've got that opportunity as I mentioned before other kids just want to be out there wearing a Jersey and having a good time I wanna be able to connect with those kids too and have a good time those kids and give them that experience without trying to push them to a level that they don't want to go and so. That's to Me To me is what coaching is all about being able to recognize what you can do and what you can bring to the table to make someone's experience better whatever experience it is that they want to. Yeah I used to I coached in Saint Louis at John, burroughs school that's where my kids went high school. And coached football team there for four years and when we started the season, I would go up to every kid I mean we only had twenty eight kids. So in that hard but I, would go up to every kid and say you WanNa play football at the next level. And if they said, yes or no, that would give me an idea. You know then you go off their talent, you say, okay, you WanNa play at the next level. There's lots of places that are out there from division three hallway up to. The top of the top and I coach kids that went to every level and buy them letting me know what they're kind of. Ambitions were let me know how they. You know how to have fun with them, how to push them how to do different things with them. I was like enough to coach exe- Ezekiel Elliott in high school. So we were usually ahead and games and I pull Zeke out than everybody else could go and have fun. So it was really easy. Being is go coach with him but. You know I think that what you're doing is is great. You're carrying on that tradition. So when you were in high school, you highly recruited coming out of high school. No not at all. You know I was all state player. So I was very successful in high school, but I only got one scholarship offer coming out of high, school. You know bill interest, you interest air, but only one scholarship offer as I was coming out a little smaller school university northern Iowa. At. The time one AA school now it's. Football. Championship series F S I think is an FBI. Some new things. Yeah. What up one of those things? But I wasn't highly recruited at all in. One of those things that time at the time was really frustrating. Trying to figure out that process. But but again, I think all of those things shape us shape who we are shaped. How we we chase after you know what our dreams are without a question You know that did that for me is that figured out why? You know but but I think it pushed me to want to whether it be proved everybody wrong or prove that I belonged and could play a high level whatever it was. I think it helped to shake me. That I wasn't A. Did you were you recruited in any other sports? Yeah I was probably more recruited basketball than I was in football, and so that was one of the things that I kinda juggled. Because, I love basketball basketball's one of those sports that it's very easy to practice right onto practice basketball or football especially your quarterback there's only so many things. That, you really enjoy when you get seven, one, seven or eleven on eleven it really compete. So. Yeah. I wrestle back and forth with not football scholarships did I want to go somewhere play basketball because I love basketball but in ultimately the end of the day I, I, felt like I wanted to try to play. Professionally and just felt like football was going to be my best option to do that. Because some of the challenges that I faced as a basketball player. So That was the reason that I chose football love boasts or love different aspects of them but but want to see if I could continue my career beyond beyond college and so off football was. Yeah I felt the same way I was kind of recruited in baseball and then I had two choices to make you know don't WanNa go baseball rout don't WanNa go football route my body's telling me right now probably should have done the baseball route but. Did the football route so you're you're get. Northern Iowa you know your lot of people when they go to college I mean I had a lot of friends that when I was a freshman that they just left. They were nervous. They were scared whatever it was what was your experience like when you had to make that transition from high school to College? Yeah I mean I think the transition? Anywhere, you know whether it's on the field off whether it's high school to college college pro. There's always a transition and you know I always tell people that I believe the biggest challenge from going from one level to the next is proving to yourself. that. You belong right. I mean it's so easy for all of us as athletes and with our egos whatever to. Go out there and social media or stand out there and Friday nights and beat our Chaz to let everybody know how we are. But you know there's always a proving ground that we have to make when we go from one step to the next supreme to ourselves that we can play and that was definitely something. That I dealt with and I. Think. A lot of people walk away because it's acceder of and I don't know if I belong I if I I don't know if I could do this and instead of waiting it out and challenging yourself through a lot of people I think will turn the other direction and run go man I. I just don't feel comfortable in this. But we've all been there. We've all been in those situations that are really uncomfortable and it takes time and it takes You know work to be able to prove today I belong at this next level, and that was tough for me college because you talk about college I ended up sitting on the bench for four years of college. I had to wrestle with that a lot like there's times I thought I was good enough in anger why can't I get on the football field and then you don't get a lot of opportunities to actually play when you're the back up. So you can start wondering do I along am I good enough, and so I wrestled with that with that a lot through my career in college trying to figure out where I fit in how good I was aware to gain. Kind of my confidence or my self esteem. What kind of player I was and So he was it was definitely. Times where I even thought about is. Time for me to move on and do something house or walkaway from this and obviously. I didn't do that and I didn't chew. Easy way out that it's a ultimately worked out for me but you know I understand some of those same reservations at questions that we have about ourselves where we have to take Jones from one level to another. And I can imagine it'd be pretty difficult for you because my son went through a little bit of that at William and Mary where he down there to play and and he didn't get to play like you wanted he only played two years. Any went right into coaching with the team, and so he got to stay in the game and for you you know where you were there for four years without even playing and we know that college football is a job. We know it is difficult. You know. Going to class meetings, lifting doing all the things you have to do, and for your perseverance I commend you for that because a lot of people wanna stay that long to say my fifth year I'm going to get the shot right and that's what I'm GonNa do that. So that's amazing that you did that. So Tom now tell me about your senior year. You finally get the shot you're excited. Dab. Now you get to go out in the field, the starter leading the team, what was that senior year like for you? I mean obviously a great experience You know because again as as athletes, just kind of think, we can overcome every being. So even though I sat on the bench for four years, I was confident. That was going to take that one year and parlay that into a career in the NFL known Hawaii thought that but that's just kinda confidence by which we we do things. You know, but it was a great experience just to be back on the field. You. Know I think that's the biggest thing is that, of course, we all dream of accomplishing certain things and getting to certain levels But ultimately at the end of the day and I was reminded at numerous times throughout my rear that at the end of the day, we love the game for a bigger reason we we love it for a bigger purpose. The reason we fell in love with. The games that we play, the things that we want to do have nothing to do with you know reaching the highest level or reach a level of fame or making a certain amount of money that has to do with you know different aspects of the game, and that's what I so enjoyed that senior year that any forgotten a little bit of that because I wasn't playing and you know my mindset Gosh how GonNa make it at the next level can't get over here and then you find that you on the field after four years and you're just kind of like. All right now I remember why played this game you know I love leading my guys I loved competing in those moments as I talked about. I. Love The fact that you got ten gates. So every moment mattered every game matter so true. I I enjoy that senior year because it just got me back to the roots of Y. Love the game and it didn't know what was going to happen moving forward. But I was able to get back out there and compete and know that if that was going to be yet for me at least I got that one opportunity at the college level to to show that I belong and to enjoy the game, and if that would have been in I walked away and been happy because my final experience was a good one. Yeah you know and it's amazing to hear your story because you you. You have this great senior year. I, think you were the player of the year and your league and you you do all these incredible things and now you're back on a high right you've gone through a whole college career. You've had highs and lows wonder today. Am I gonNA make now? You're on a high again now you go try out for an NFL team with the packers and You're up there with Farve and I forget I'm Mark Brunell was there with you and you're up there and you're working out with these guys in your seen what it takes to be at the top. But then you don't make the roster and then you have to go back down again and humble yourself by by getting you know as we say in the NFL normal job, right some that that millions of Americans go out and do every day You know and then to come back from that like just to just have that drive. So I mean, it's just amazing what you've done. So, tell me about the highs and lows of your life that you've gone through I mean I've been through them all as well, and it's just how do you come back from those highs and lows? I've always believed that the most important thing is to always have a firm grip on who you are as an individual, and that extends farther who you are as a player because what we realize in life is that circumstances are going to be thrown at US better going to try to tell us that were something different or that we're not worrying or you're only. As good as this circumstance that you're in in. So I think one of the things that helped me kind of manage the highs and lows of my career was to always try to keep a firm grasp on who I was and y was the way that I am in that no matter what the success level or no matter how bad a the moment was. Or how the situation was that it didn't find who I was as Ursa and I think that's easily lost in you know in life and especially with athletes that we get. So caught up with what's happening on the field that that is our whole identity and if what's happening on the field doesn't Mesh. With who we want it to be want to be or what we want to be on the field. It usually got a makes spiral out of control. Man A lot of players struggle after they get done clam because they no longer have you know that to hang onto or people telling him. Or whatever it might be. So our identities get so caught up with that and I really feel like during that period of time when I was going through some of the struggles I was really able to figure out who I am and who I wanted to be. You know my face became more important to me so I was able to kind of ground myself in. Circumstances you know we're never going to tell the whole story. And you know it was all of those things that I think you know kept me focused on what I wanted to accomplish, but also realistic to the standpoint debt if it didn't happen that didn't mean bet, I, was a failure or that was awful person or awful player. There's just sometimes circumstances that come into play that we have to be a win and but I was ever going to let those things to find me and you know we kind of saying in our family my wife's been through a lot of ups and downs rocky road as. Well it's just that you know our circumstances will never define us. You know we're not going to allow what we're dealing with to be the catalyst to determine who we are going to be, and you know I think it's a great message for this time to write or circumstances staying can he got kids that don't get to graduate from high school and go through graduation now you've got kids that are juniors and seniors wanted to play college football and they don't get a school season. You know all of us you know from a from a work standpoint. A lot of people out there struggling from a work standpoint you know that it's easy to kind of allow that. Take over and be the defining factor in our lives and I think we have to fight through that and Russell through that. oftentimes, they live to make sure that we we hold onto we really are and in holding onto that person and character were able to work our way through a lot of things that at the moment don't seem easier. Not at all, not at all. Hake we're GONNA take a little break. We'll be right back. 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I think that you and I have in common is that we have a great support system at home that we've had with us I mean I married my wife and we've been married almost twenty six years now and you know I couldn't have done anything in the NFL without her being there being my sounding board and I played for seven teams, I've. been through a lot in the NFL lot of adversity just like you have and those people keep us going So tell us a little bit about your relationship with your wife Brenda and and how you guys have solidified this through your whole career. Yeah think you know as you said, one of the coolest things about my journey is that I met my wife in college and so we've been together through the entirety of the journey through the ups and downs. The is Lowe's. Bed It's been kind of a group effort and that to me has been the greatest blessing that to me you know ups and downs specifically even the best moments in life. It'll mean nearly as much if you don't have people to share and if you don't have people that have enjoyed and endured the during the journey with you, and that is one thing that I've loved about my journey is that I truly feel like my wife as come along on the journey with. Unlike a lot of husbands, wives that that are in pro sports you often times you just see where it was playing in one thing about our journey was. My wife was in the spotlight a lot as well. It's a we got a chance to really kind of experience altogether, and that's that's been really cool and You know we look back on where we started where we finished where we're at now. Just, it's just so awesome to know that from the beginning to the end we've been together. She was there when I needed a shoulder to cry on, she was there when somebody want super bowl. In. That to me is what life is all about is. How many people can I get close to like that they could share? The unbelievable memories that that were able to create over the years. Right and you know for me it's like you have a lot of friends you create so many friends in this game you know and you love to keep the locker room going on for the rest of your life but you know that's not going to happen and when you have those down times, you know some some friends who have aren't going to be there for you. You know and but your wife in that person that you love and I'm with you, I've been with Anne since you know my before my junior year in college and we've been together ever since then we've been through therapy we've been we've struggled with. Being with each other all the time and learned how to deal with each other and and her father was my high school football coach and we've had to deal with all those things and we've been through the Hi Lo's and like they honeyman I really don't know if I can play anymore. Well, why not you know you know I'm in my twelfth year you know and and do we want to travel to a new city? Do we want to go somewhere else and she goes? Yes this is what you're meant to do. You know. So those types of things really keep you going and I'm sure through your arena. League. And then going overseas and playing and all of that I mean I can't imagine that journey that you had together. Yeah now I mean you're you're right I. mean it just you know so many unbelievable memories and You know I think we both remember the moments when we sat back and go. On we get here and how are we going to get out of this? And then we remember the moments when we looked at each other and go you believe that That were here. Do you believe that you know we've got to? In her life and so yeah, I mean it's just there's just not the better that wake out next to your best friend every day to have experienced the majority of the journey together to remember those highs and lows to appreciates the life that you have now together I'm just I'm grateful just like you are that. I had a strong person that was willing. To. Chase, my dream you know because that's a huge sacrifice for someone. you even though we know that we were meant to play football that doesn't necessarily mean that that are meant to follow us around by we late paychecks. Though I'm extremely grateful. That my wife. Made those sacrifices to to put whatever she wanted to do on hold at times or big up and move the family. When I bounced around from one place to another I just grateful that. You know that I do have that support system and I do have. Someone. That's that was willing to make sacrifices for me. one thing I always wanted to ask you because I've played with Trent, we played at the redskins together and then You know he comes. He's Rams quarterback your second-string now I mean there's been a lot of journey you've already been through in your life and then you know Trent has a terrible knee injury you come in and I know Dick for meals set some wonderful things that they're just gonNa he's GonNa, the whole team's GonNa wrap their arms around your support Kurt Warner, right but. With the coach saying that is huge. But also when you get that huddle with those guys for that first time, and now you're the leader of that team who are the guys are, what? What, who did you really lean on in that time to say, okay, we're going to get this done. I I've not all the guys what I realized early on that. It's very easy to to put a lot of pressure on yourself and you know to try to see expectations and chase expectations. You know at that particular time I was just trying to prove to people that I've along. You know I mean my aspirations of course I wanted to win super bowls but when I became a starter, that wasn't what was. I got I got to prove that I can play this week cousin. Goes from meal can say whatever he wants if I, dig it up week one I'm probably. Because nobody knows this guy and nobody knows if he can play so I'm going to have a very short leash. So I was more worried about me and You know we were fortunate because you know at Isaac Bruce Marsh fog could we had Orlando pace and we had these great leaders in these great throws. Worry about them, and that was probably the greatest blessing and allowed to have. A great success early was I didn't feel like I had to carry anybody I felt like I, just do your job if you do you. Guys around you are good enough to be able to carry or lead or pick up the slack for you. You mentioned tread trip was unbelievable to me in terms of. Helping me out and giving me all his knowledge because you've been in the offense and. I asked him a million questions that I know he was tired of me asking him questions by dude shut up get out of. But ever wants to say that he graciously answered those questions. You know and even a hall of fame speech. There's only team mate that I really think I mean I think of all general but the one that I think was. Because you. Know I found myself in that situation numerous times later in my career where? I was sitting on the bench and the guy was in front of me. The young guy might have been having success and you have to wrestle with okay. How do you deal with this situation and I only had to go back to Trent and he was a great guide for me to say, Hey, I'm a part of this team and whatever I can do to help the guidance playing or the guy that's in front of me or whatever they have ib that's my role, and he accepted that role and I do believe a lot of my success and I can get overall success because again and I not succeeded early I. Don't think I would have an opportunity to sixty late. So his helping me early on to allow me to have early success in that system. Was So valuable and you know the way that he treated me in the way that he share those experience that knowledge with the you never forget that and You know try to do my best to emulate that as I found myself in those situations later on. Yeah you know I went through a lot in Washington DC. You know from with he Schuler and and the adversity of headbutting a wall and dealing you know I had so many things and not have an I fell apart. It was just a lot and you go through all these adversities and I ended up plan a long time after that. But you have all these things happen to you and you can either say, I'm just going to be out for me. You're GonNa try and help everyone I can and and when I would go to other teams I, it doesn't matter if it was a starter the guys behind me it was like we're all in this together and I really despised people when I would go to a place and they didn't want to share their knowledge. You know like a because we were competing at the same position which I understood but I'm also like look if something does happen to you and I have to go in. I'm not GonNa know you know you WanNa talk to me and I you know I don't have the tenth of the knowledge of what you have and so if we can share that, we're all going to be better together and I've always done and that was why Kinda like coaching to right is that I get to share that knowledge with everyone and I, it sounds like that you really have. Kind of felt that way throughout your career you know when you go to New York, then you go to Arizona I feel like you just grew so much through all that you want to share with everybody your knowledge and it made everybody around you a lot better. Yeah and I think it was two fold that I always took the approach that when I signed on the dotted line with whatever organization it was. You know there was no fine print that said, hey, you have to be a good teammate and leader only when you're starting and then. Whatever else when when you're not in the role that you want that's never in the fine print. The fine print says, Hey, you sign on the dotted line you're part of this team in your job is to be the best team mate. You can be whatever that means and there's going to be different times et looks different but you know for me a lot of the time it was being back in what was my role to be the best team that I could be the help that team beat a successful was possible at that particular time, and then the other side of that was you know we grow up as competitors and competitor I always said to myself. Man I don't WanNa wait a job because I know more than the guy. I want to win a job because I'm better than the guy drunk and so also the approach like here what do you need from me? Here's all the knowledge I can give you take it all and I'm still gonNA be out anyways now coach. Every time I did it. So I wasn't afraid to pass out that knowledge because I wanted to beat them out when they had that knowledge. You know I didn't want to look all. He's a rookie, and so he doesn't know anything or whatever the reason is I wanted to be able to say. These guys are on equal footing. Doing everything he can to help that other guy. Now let's put it to a competition and let the best guy play because to me. That's the joy of sports. It's about competition and if I wasn't the best, Guy? I walk over and I do what I can from the bench because I realize the best guys playing. But if I was the best guy and I don't like I belonged out there and there was no reasons or no questions on why on. View. Yeah you know and and the other thing I take away from football I don't know how you feel about this but I mean you said kind of record you have an amazing career but. WENT FROM Saint Louis and then you end up in Arizona. Play some amazing players and when you get to Arizona, you guys didn't start off like where you wanted but then you get to the top right, you get to be really really good and so I'm sure that Larry and Edrich James and all the guys that you played with a really did did they come up to you and ask you those questions like you know about Marshall Faulk and how did you guys do in these situations and and did you take a lot of pride in kind of giving that knowledge out to them? Yeah. I mean I think anytime you've been to the top and you competed at a high level on and then you come across guys that at one do those same things and accomplishment saint. Veins. They'RE GONNA ask a lot of questions and you're going to try to give as much knowledge as you can to help him. And shed light on. What you can you know but you also know that you know I can go through certain things and there's just certain things that I just I can't. There's no way to share it. You Gotta learn by experience and you just gotTa grow through experience but But yeah, that was always a part of my role at when I got here to Arizona there was losing mentality there was a losing culture nobody had any expectations Ryan? In most places I had been at least we had expectations whether we were good. We affected the win. You know we went into training Cabernet. We're GONNA win the super. Bowl like everyone else. I went to. Arizona there seemed to be none of that and I was just Kinda like I don't know if I've ever been in a place like this felt so desolate and don't like everybody was kind of just out like, Oh, I'll try to have a good season but I have no expectation that we're going to have a good season you know and do really no ability of winning and so that became one of the big challenges for me when I got to. And I want to change the perspective that everybody in his organization has and everybody outside this organization has about the cardinals I to change their perception of what they can be on them to give them hope that there's possibilities beyond what the last fifty years of shown them and So that's kind of how I approach that situation there, and it was a tremendous challenge, but it was also extremely fun to be able to hey, guys in Oldham it, shape them and watch them carry that towards Larry. Fitzgerald was a young guy when I got there. And you know him asking me a lot of questions we became really good friends and then for us to succeed at that level together and then to see him kind of take towards. been the ultimate leader of that organization and really represented a competitiveness. In a level of expectation that they never had before and he's been able to carry that on year in year out you know since I left and so. and. He's done a great job. So who's GonNa pass that onto? But that'd be part of the fun is that you take ownership in these organizations that you're a part of the and you feel like you did a little something to get them where they're at. And you WANNA see. That towards continue to be passed and you want to continue to see those expectations. Set every year within those organizations so that They're striving for something. Better. Than they've ever been before and so it was a big challenge in Arizona. But it was also one of the things that that I'm most proud of was being a part of changing that perception in that culture within the organization. That's amazing. The only thing I ever really got to change was when I played in the Minnesota Vikings I started the doughnut club on Saturday mornings and he's still do it to this day so. That no three or four when pat and Kevin Williams would say bring me the biggest donut. I'm like whatever you guys want to hold them down. It's all the matters. So. You've had amazing career talk to me a little bit about. The kind of role that faith has played in your career. Has Been a huge. Huge factor in in really everything. You know success is. The down moments that we talked about being able to to navigate my way through that. You know in the ironic thing was that my face where it's at now Wasn't the same when I was kind of going through a big part of the journey and You know I came to to build a relationship with Jesus and to make safe a priority you know win I was on the bench and when I was working at a grocery store when I was trying to find my way back to the NFL and so you know I count that is kind of my training ground, not just training ground and become a better football player. Where my training ground to figure out who I was it, what I wanted to be about it what I wanted to accomplish in life you know what the true meaning of my life was and so was very fortunate that. When I finally got to the NFL I was very focused on what I believed in and who I wanted to be in the values that I wanted to to possess eight and kind of you know sheer with with everybody and so as top of some of that training round was I really felt like. Allies off the field prepared me. For what was to come? And and I don't know where I would be without it. I don't know what kind of. would be don't know what kind of player I would have been I don't know how I would've handled. In a success or in other numerous benching that I went, right? No, you know what life would have looked like had I not had my faith and been grounded in. This is who you are. This is how you represent yourself and it's bigger than football. It's bigger than the accomplishments that you have. It's about the impact that you can have on other people and that can look a lot of different ways. But that really became my mindset when I got to the NFL as much as I wanted to compete in be successful not ever GonNa sit here and say that that wasn't still a part of what I was trying to. But it was all within balancing focus of that's not the most important thing. Keep things in perspective and be able to use your high and low moments to impact people around you so. I would just say that my faith was essential and who I was the player was but more importantly that the career I had on and off the field was real really always dictated driven by my face by who I wanted to be and most importantly about. Right now that's awesome. So then you've you've gone through this journey of football, you retire, you know there's a next step in it right? So you've done a lot after you got out of the game You know charity and community is really grilled into us in the NFL WE WANNA give back. So you've done a lot of that you want to also work and you have to earn a living. For Your family and and you have seven kids. It cost a lot of money. Right so there's a lot of steps that you have to take in all of that You can have a lot of money but if you're not making more than it becomes tops so now you're in a different journey you get into the hall of fame. Now that has catapulted you to another level that you know. Only. So many NFL players know about right in it's an amazing win with my good friend morten. Andersen that year. And I was at at the ceremony that when you were there because I went to Morton's after party and he was just also chained but he was he had a lot of fun and I will say that, but now you've done so much. Tell us like really what you're proud of since you left the NFL. Man. I've really enjoyed my time since I retire and you know out of all of it I mean are you retired? Oh well. Yeah. I mean they exactly that's what my wife. Is asking that again yesterday because as you said, I think, I'm busier napping I was before but I still feel like a young I still feel like I have freedom within what I do I still feel like I've got a lot I want to accomplish right? There's there's more to do than. Just the first forty years of your life. So I'm excited about that. But I'm really proud of a lot of things you know the different challenges that have taken in retirement. One of the big things You know we talked about proving yourself from one level to the next on the football field but I think. Probably, the biggest challenge faced in my adult life was when I retire and you say, well, I've spent whatever thirty seven years of my life focusing on one thing I'm not sure I'm good at anything else I'm not sure I can do anything else. So what am I going to do the next forty years of my life if I got no other skills so the challenge of going, okay what am I gonNA do next? Can I challenge myself and? Feel good about whatever's next in life. Even comparing it to you know they ask career that I had and so. I've really enjoyed kind of challenging myself in different ways and not every challenge were out and not every challenge I've been. Good whatever not take it on but but I've tried different dates and I'm trying to figure that out and so I've loved TV and and the NFL worked out down whether it's calling games. or working for the NFL that network. That's a unique challenge in itself, but I think it's it's fed some of the competitive juices that are inside of me still inside of all of us competitors and so it feed, you want to be good at something else. Continue to do a lot of charity work. Wife and I just about two years ago open community living facility for young adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities. Our oldest son Zach ever traumatic brain injury when he was young and so to kind of give a full life to you know some of those individuals and I think forgotten part of our community and so we're couple years dad the places almost full and it's thriving student and so improv excited about that. You're not getting another foundation that. You know that I've had since I you know second or third year in the National Football League in which tried to give. People that don't have the same blessings that I have some some opportunities that they might not otherwise have a proud of that. Probably Opportunities To be a dad and you know to watch my kids and to make them a priority. When I know for a long time, you know working football was a priority do during this whole pandemic. We. All kind of sitting around going. Okay. What am I supposed to do? What's next? What's life going to look like? When we get through this and what's normal again, and so during this time. It did a number of like zoom meetings with quarterback rooms. We did soon meetings for high school team. Did consulting with a lot of coaches and so right now in the process of developing. A coaching instruction platform called UB confidential that I'm going to launch a little later this month. In which I feel like I can have a further reach inside this game being able to teach you know on the field staff and obviously mental stuff that goes with it but also being able to share my journey very much like you're doing my jury encourage and motivate guys as they find themselves in different places. But really just about, hey, how can I have an impact with things that? Don The knowledge that I have maybe the expertise that I haven't football I'll can I parlay that into? A chance to truly impact people advance a game that I love give people new opportunities and you know maybe more poorly than anything encourage people no matter where they're they're out on their path the keep pushing because you never know what the possibilities are. You know over my shoulder here yet you got the hall of fame. And don't do that to let people know him in the hall of fame but a lot of times it it reminds me of the journey that for so long you know people wanted to say you don't have a chance you can't make it. You're sitting on the bench to work in a grocery store. And that's just a reminder to me. You know every day that's you know those circumstances won't find me and You know continue to work to Nita. Believe you have faith. You never know what the possibilities are and I think that's really what I WANNA do over the next forty years tried to present new possibilities and give people hope about new possibilities whether it be. You know that those that are suffering with disabilities in some fashion those that maybe. You know in situations where they're suffering financially or don't have some of the lessons that even in the game of football where you guys are getting opportunities by what you're able to teach them. You know in that regard or even character you know just working with high school kids maybe there's something that you teach them in a lesson that you teach sound that carries with them like we talked about earlier like the messages are coaches ad for us in that can be driving that takes them somewhere new somewhere special in your life so. I I, love again, I'll say retirement semi-retirement. And being able to enjoy all these different things that I'm doing. Now looking to stop anytime. Soon, I'm looking to continue to have the impact. But I'm also continuing to look for a proper balance for my marriage, my kids. South. And also being able to to use the blessings that I have in whatever way possible that help. Okay. Okay One last question before we get in our two minute drill I, know you have a movie coming out about about your life you feel about that I mean that that's got to be something special for you. It is you know it's. You know it's amazing. You know for so long in my journey, you know we talked about earlier. In my knees in prayer and I be asking God. Why me Why can't I be the number one drafting? Why do I have to sit on the bench? And then you know once you look back on the journey and now I hit my knees and I go why why did you choose measles Gets the blessing of of walking this journey that no one else has that no one else will ever have a journey that gets a movie made about your life. You know that got some great players in this game don't get movies made about them. Because it's you know those movies are about bigger journeys than that and so. You know I'm just I'm humbled and honored that that I've been able to. You know to take this journey that God's chosen meat for this journey and we're excited about the possibilities of the. Right I mean. It's really just to me I want to get the essence of the story right and I want to inspire and motivate people through archer. Stuff when talking about the possibilities. In life you know giving people hope when it seems hopeless in a window circumstances say. There's no chance. There's no way you're ever GonNa get to where you WANNA go Our story shows on just my story, my wife story as well that a lot of people don't know as well in the stories are are all about perseverance and it's about overcoming and it's about you know being able to work through circumstances that aren't where we WANNA be. Continue to stay focused on a belief that we came out, we can get somewhere nobody expects us to get and. You know that's we the message of the movie in or excited about we're excited about that. Hopefully. All of this. You know we can find a way to get that thing shot in They're they're looking at a a release next December. So next Christmas so We'll see but but we're definitely definitely excited about the. No. That is awesome. I I you know it's GonNa be exciting in if if a country ever needs it more of a story and understand what it takes for you to get through tough situations, you know these stories help people get through and that's what I want to deliver to my fans and the people right now is that saying that look we all deal with this and we have our own way of dealing with it and you need a support system you need friends around you and don't give up don't quit. There's gotta be something around the corner. You just got to believe in yourself and do the best you can that you can do it that day. So your faith, your family and football really ingrained you into the heart of America right now, we're going to do a two minute draw know when the last two minute drill you rand but we're going to go down the field here and we'll see how far you get. So are we ready sewn our? Answers I mean you might. Okay pretty easy. They're pretty easy you ready Sonar here we go. All right. Two minutes on the clock gas or electric car. Electric's. Lie or drive. Growth. Why I'M GONNA fly. What your pet peeves. My pet peeve is when people leave the milk out because I hate more mills. Okay, what is your Mount Rushmore of NFL players? Layers, not just quarterback anybody now quarterback. I'm going to say Walter Payton. Marshall Fault because he was the best player that I ever played with. Oh. Gosh. Probably put Lords Taylor on there and then I got to put quarterback Tom Brady on there even though I could make up a whole Mount Rushmore quarterback splits out I'm GonNa put on as well. All right hot or cold. Definitely. Favorite Sports, movie. Hoosiers. Hoosiers. All right. What rexroad recreational sport do you play now? Basketball is my is my I. Love You love it. All right. If you could change places with one person in history for a day who would be I would probably choose a president I don't know which president, but I would probably choose the president and just I think we all should be in that role for one day just. Into what goes into that position. Right. All right. Now, who's your favorite QB? Off Man I mean my favorite she regrowed Roger Starbuck. That was a huge cowboys fan. are still raise were similar. Got Great character to him I still think Tom Brady is the best quarterback we've ever seen Gosh. I, mean again, why would you appreciate the position like we do I do pick different guys for different aspects of the game but but I'll leave it with those. Right. I. Got Two more for you. Okay. Would you? Call email or written note. Which one would you prefer. Well I. Do like written notes but in this day and age I'm going to choose from and text or anything because it's just easier but I do like. Written notes to either receive them or send them. All right and last one, which I think is. Kind of apropos today and all the conversations going on Jordan Kobe or Lebron. Jordan I mean they're all phenomenal but I grew up in Iowa where we didn't have bros ord steam I grew up when the Bulls were were riding high and Michael Jordan was on my TV every day so I'm going Jordan. What do you think your kids would say? I don't think my kids know enough about Jordan. Agreeing. With the last dance. They all watched it. Maybe they have a greater appreciation. But man, it's hard to argue, I I would argue with any of them. I think one might say Lebron I think the other one might say job. and. So we'd have a pretty good debate in our household. That'd be good well Kurt. You didn't get it in the end zone, but you kick the Phil. We want to thank you for joining I wanNA thank you for joining me on huddle up with Gus Please let our fans and everyone who listens to our show no where they can find you where they can find go to your websites. Maybe help you out to donate your charities whatever you want them to know. Give us one last shot at it. I think the best way is just on twitter kurt thirteen warner always posting stuff about our foundations be posted self about you do become peninsula that'll be coming out at the end of the month. That's probably the best way to get all the information about what I'm doing. So again, Kurt, thirteen on twitter, and we can direct you to the different places if you want to find out more information about treasure house first things first or whatever we're doing. Well, thank you and you're going to be doing NFL network again this year. I will be I. Don't know what capacity it's. What is going to look like this year but? Look further. 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Cowboys Hoy: Batallas en Training Camp

Blogging the Boys

26:48 min | 3 months ago

Cowboys Hoy: Batallas en Training Camp

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Bring Out The Brooms?

PTI

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Bring Out The Brooms?

"Yeah. Partner up. But I'm Mike little the sports tonight. Tony, you'd think we have any chance of winning Tony Kornheiser. I offered to sleep with the EMMY committee. I don't think that health. Well, you know, you to get the whole committee, you should just I did a five somebody, you know, streamline the process. So we've got two of these ready at what healing and what point of the allowed to say, we're pretty good, right? I mean, we got to do is not about five five would be nicer but to. You know, we're going to beat TI boys and girls in today's episode Najib goes in on rob Pelinka the warriors get ready to move on and Brooks, kept up wins his fourth major in two years. But we begin today with the Tronto raptors doing double overtime last night, what they could not to in the previous two games of regulation beat the Milwaukee Bucks. Why Leonard was typically wondrous when he guarded Jaanus onto combo. He harassed them into one for nine shooting. Meanwhile, he's scored thirty six himself will bind you were there. Did this feel like Toronto? Got back into it or just stayed alive. Tony. I, I hate to say this because I I was hoping for I'm still hoping for a long contentious series because that's what I love this time of year. But when you have to go to overtime even though onto Gupo had no game. Eight turnovers five baskets. Right. You know had no game. He found out early in the I think the second overtime and I mean. Let's face it. I mean any kid with an enormous performance yet, yet, you know, you need to overtimes to win onto the Pupo chances are he's going to be a lot better than that tomorrow night, and they're going to have to contend with him after being Anri on the court after one, you know. Okay bad game. I'll call it a bad game. It feels like they just. But look Tony. You knew how these things can pivot this game is in Toronto that building crackles. They are desperate to win again and show that the past is the past, not what they are now. So I'm not ruling the rafters out of this thing. I'm most people are I'm not among to go to the foul. Call fouled onto Toco out. I thought that was terrible call those an obvious charge. I mean I don't think that's what he's having a bad game. He's probably having a worst game of the playoffs playoffs. He might have might have been a worse game of the year as far as I'm concerned, but they have coaches to, they study film to as I'm fond of saying. So I don't think he's going to be that way. Again. I'm looking at. Auto and they'll, I'm projecting a little bit because Leonard is great. He's great. He's great. Both ends of the court. He is absolutely great. He's also a free agent. And everybody assumes is going to go somewhere in California. What is Toronto going to be left with? And I know you fell in love with Nick nurse because he's a cubs fan. So I know that you care about them. But I like you think that was a reprieve? I think they're going out. I do twenty again when you've got look, as great as Pupo is he's likely to be voted this year's MVP Kawai Leonard is the more proven player. That's play all the guys MVP of NBA finals. That's his problem. Did you notice last night with Kyle Lowry rushed over to put heating pants on Kawai litter? Quads. Is he going to player is he gonna play on? It's gonna play some us forty eight hours after playing a career high fifty two minutes. Okay. Great. Again, he's got to win. That's what they pay thirty million dollars a year. The Golden State Warriors, made it three in a row over the weekend once again, making a big deficit in the second half and beating Portland. The big news was this game was important, again, Steph curry, and Klay Thompson dominated Damian, Lillard, and C, J McCollum, this time, fifty five to forty two we'll do you expect the warriors to eliminate the blazers tonight, yet, Sony do if you if we'd had a show earlier during the weekend, I would have said to you think Portland's going to win game three and it's going to be two one Toronto date at home last night didn't happen. Tony. Again, this is there's no referendum anymore. You just enjoy this like you enjoy the great NBA teams ever when they get on a roll, and it becomes an annual thing to just sort of celebrate and be in all of their greatness. That's what the Golden State Warriors are right now. It would dollar being injured that hurt, even though it's not to be serious. He's going to miss that game and be out that matters because they're already down to starters. And won all league, maybe best player in the league and Kevin Durant. But at this point, how do you doubt Golden State Tony, how the warriors when curry and Thompson, and Draymond green who was just upped his already significantly high level, I can't you can't go against him. Can you so? Well, I think I think it's possible Portland could win this game. But I think the series is over doesn't really matter if they win this game. Let me go to Draymond green for second because I watched him in an interview after the game. And this is a direct quote. I realized I was doing more crying and playing on the subject of white got all those technical fouls and that seems to have turned him around, and maybe turn the team around certainly in the absence of Kevin Durant, 'cause he's on the court and what we know is not only a C tremendously important on the court, but when he was off the court four years ago in play offs of three years ago and the plants couldn't whiz winning because many technical fouls, and he got the boot with Steph curry, and I believe Steph, Korean three games. I think it's thirty six thirty seven thirty. Eighty five had this conversation yesterday with the friend of yours. He's actually underrated. He's a two time MVP he's three time champion and because of the presence of Kevin Durant. He's actually underrated. What people have to realize that I know you do is in terms of Thomson and green and curry they sacrifice their game for Kevin Durant and justifiably but they got game. They got they do not to sacrifice it for the short. Thanks again. They got one more series to go. You can't crown them yet as late great. Dennis green. That's what I said. But man, they wanted to behold, Tony the Lakers, will not stay out of the news, especially on the day. When Ervin Johnson sits on the set of I take for an hour and dishes on what part of what anyway let's his stunning resignation. If you're gonna talk betrayal, is only with rob. I didn't like that. Tim Harris was too involved in, in basketball, he's supposed to run the Laker business, but he was trying to come over to our side. Jamie's got to stop that. Right. Is so much information coming at her, that then when I say, hey, we have to do this. She can't make a decision because they said, no. Don't go the way magic go. You should go. Two hours later in a press conference introduced Frank Vogel. Tony is the new head coach rob Lincoln Magic's comments were quote saddening and is heartening close. Quote tone, we're does all this leave the Lakers, by the way, what a great day to be Frank Vogel, to be introduced amid all of this. So that nobody cares about you at all. So I watched as many of the clips as I could and I took away, three main things that I thought were important that magic said that, rob pulling aback stabbed him that he said, Dell Dem's leaked the details of the proposed trade when the war liens for Anthony Davis, and that hurt him. We said, Jeanie Buss, didn't give magic the power you know that she promised him so wasn't fun. So he quit. So there's two ways of looking at this one way, is it magic is expert at self justification that he wasn't particularly good at this and he didn't really work that hard on it. That's one way. And the second way to look at it is that magic was toward it at every turn by the people who were supposed to cooperate. With him. And even if there's a little bit of truth in both what is definite. Mike is the Lakers are a dumpster fire at the moment. I know you're going to say that, that what is your, your phrase? The Bryce Harper phrase clown show broke. Right. So breath. No good. It's no Tony Tony. Look, I have a bias, I worked on this network with urva Johnson for a lot of years and may again, and at this one of our lives. I mean, we're, we're pretty darn close friends, and my bias have to declare that because I believe that second scenario you painted in all these people who were put in. I remember when when magic took the job. Okay because he was working for this network. And we talk about it a lot. And I know what he thought he was getting into, and it seems to me, and I take his point of view because that's the point of view. I yeah. I feel magic is not being disingenuous. He's not lying is not misleading. This is what he felt happened to undermine what he was doing. That's what he feels I, again, admit my bias toward feeling that he is putting this accurate portrayal of it. But the Lakers themselves Tony. Wow. I don't miss they go from here. Most of your suing. They missed the playoffs six straight years dangerous Lakers. And by the way, the Braun James looks at this. He has got steams gotta be coming out of his head. Right. Cannot be Tony. Tony remember there were people last year who said, yeah, the Browns play for the Lakers. This is not chasing championship the way others might have others might in the future. He's got an entire life laid out that life is laid out. I sent to you once he seems to be interested in being the next dick wolf as winning another championship. So I I don't know teams coming out of his ears or not. Let's get to the thing. I know consumed, you all weekend, the PGA championship Bethpage Brooks kept going fourth major out of his last eight entered and he did it by leading wire to wire, which is in itself, a stunner, but it was unexpected drama when he bogeyed four straight holes in the back to let Dustin Johnson, unthinkable in the door and nearly suffered the biggest collapse. It majors history. I know he won. But does the way it played out dent? What's a mini scene like kept total invincibility tent to me is a little bit strong? I mean, something happened out there doesn't Johnson? It never was thrilling people wanna make it because Johnson bogeyed. I think will get fifteen sixteen or sixteen seventy something like that. So it never got it never got to be thrilling. But I will say this they say that you cannot win the tournament on Thursday. You can only lose it, he wanted on Thursday. Thursday and Friday he wanted. He was plus four on the weekend. Mike. It's very, very rare. Maybe in a US open where they trick up the course to make you go over par. But in the other majors, particularly the PG extremely rare to go plus foreign weekend and still win. Phil mickelson. Did it as Walt as well? But it's rare. So I would suggest the people just slow down the parade that he's the greatest player since tiger slow that a little bit. Don't you think? No, I'm not slowing. It really one. He did the situation to me, this one four of one half the majors he's into the last eight. I'm sorry. Twenty to me. He has separated himself now from speed and McElroy. And certainly the Thomas, the young DJ. He is taking off from them. He is looking back over his shoulder say, where are you boys? I can't see you. It's a meets only I thought it was a little bit inevitable. How could he keep that lead? He couldn't keep his inch. Interest level. When he walks out there with that kind of lead, which was unprecedented. I'm not slowing my world. You know how always say none of these people is Tiger Woods. Shut up right? This guy's not tiger. Do you think he's the best to me? He's the best kind of the under thirty five years at released twenty nine here's what I would have liked. I would have liked to see him head to head with Dustin Johnson not how foreigner who threw an eighty one up there. The moment was too, large. I understand that. I think that might have taken away from kept a little bit. He had a chance to be Greg Norman and be infamous. And he didn't do that he settled down on fifteen. He made a good par on sixteen Parnham eighteen made a great chip shot to get to three feet. But I am not. I'm behind you on this one. I'm behind you not. You did not wait as long on Rory in speeds and been wrong. I may have been wrong. Let's take a break, but coming up, the jets might one Peyton Manning, which Peyton Manning want the jets. Can I just say now? No. And while the laid out Dominic Brazil, are you kidding Zil? Have a problem with the ref. He Brazil should have a problem with his defense and not. He got up shenice is brought to you by dark Phoenix. In theaters June seven. Male time Vance dancers to elementary questions. Let me see what's first time. Here's I complex questions would pay manning elevate the jets or would the jets drag down Peyton Manning. Pretty me. I mean, I know this, you know, sort of a real story about Peyton Manning and his relationship with Adam gates. Are you kidding me? I mean if Peyton Manning has chance to be an any broadcast booth where there's national engagement, national relationship, you can see him in here all the time. He's Peyton Manning for God's sake versus going to the New York Jets who are waste of time. You always talk about this even though the team, you're using them starring ripping them. I don't even wanna consider Peyton Manning, wasting his time with the jets. Yeah, I know that, that he engaged were together in Denver. And both people were helped by that relationship. I don't really know why Peyton Manning would want to do this. I would think he'd want to keep doing those commercials. Who's a guy play? Yes. The country, western singer, paisley, does that Brad paisley? Those are funny commercials. Although if you go to the jets, and you win, I don't know, three games us look like genius. I but it's me to fathom. I just. Bring you there's way too much talk about the jets and the Browns nationally in the world right now. Are you will John Nick Brazil that the ref stopped the fight too early? Dominic is still just hope right now there's a nurse or some caretaker, with their hands around your head. Get soothing you because this is one of the norm ass- punches in the history of the sport. My god. He came his whole head says, I'm my legs were under me. How do you know he would tumbling back into the ropes? Tony is that you've been watching boxing, sixty years. Yeah. Puts his you seen harder than that. I can't I don't think I've seen anything necessarily harder, there would have been forty five seconds left in the round and while could've actually killed him. And we've had could have that discussion while he said, I can do that, in it's legal. And I would so the readily did his job. You cannot let this guy be put into the. Get it's, it's. It it's over. You gotta see Joshua the wilder Josh with. That's the fight come on, now, should the rockets commit to keeping Mike. Dantonio for three more seasons. Sure, one not the rockets can't get past one team out there. They may as well. Keep trying they can't get past Golden State is that like anybody else has the rockets number would dantonio done with them. They are a terrific team. They're wildly entertaining. They produce an MVP candidate seems now every season, they might tweak the roster more he's in sync with what the entire organization. Yes. Why not keep dantonio who's somebody's gonna do a better job and take your Golden State, Tony, what you think he's not the problem? He wants a job. He should keep the job. The problem is a the Golden State Warriors and the problem is rockets are winding James harden scores. A lot of points. He's always complaining always saying he got out. Chris Paul got old and front of our is no longer lead guard, and you boy. Darrelle Maury always thinks he's smartest guy in a room day players, Shiro tweets, the Rasi, Houston show gear, they're not as good as they should or gag this not as good as Golden State, haven't choked gag if Bodey express had crossed the finish line first in the Preakness should he have been declared the winner. Hate to tell you this. And I did read as much as I could about this in Canada, where this is not that these horse he's off the horse. I even know what that meant like, should they have gone back and restart. But I know you watched it, this is this is your life. Yes. What hap-? Okay. It's the most electrifying two minutes that I've seen in many, many years. He throws jockey, John, Alaska's. All right. So now he's because he's a horse and he's trained to run. He runs the entire race. We runs it on the outside if he won. You don't really win. 'cause you gotta have jockey, that's not the point, but could have been a catastrophe. He could have veered to the left, and there would have been carnage with all these horses. And you watching I watched it. Oh, much like this. It was fabulous to watch. And by the way, let me get back to one other thing because it was a great comment on Showtime. About your boy, Brazil that he was put into airplane mode, then he was on, but not fun. Functional enough Email. Let's take one last break still to come Washington might have lost a key player on the first day of OTA's, and the Mets will be without the services is unisex this, you'll for a while after an accident at his ranch. Why is he had his ranch being what is it? Wondering the wilder punched his. Every time people have the fifty four th birthday, Bruce cast, Cassidy is the coach of the Boston grew. It's who qualified for the Stanley Cup final by sweeping Carolina. They will have so much time off between their last game and their first game against either Saint Louis or San Jose, that Cassidy can book, hold team on a Disney. Cruise what I was informed the Cassidy was coach of the Washington Capitals from two thousand to two thousand and three. I was still running a column. I have no recollection of this guy. Do you will Tony? They had a mediocre playoff team is first and second. There was so bad. The position the draft. Alex ovechkin. So that's contribution right? Yes, not so happy anniversary. J presents on this day thirteen years ago. He got punched in the face by cubs catcher, Michael Barrett after barreling over him at the plate clearly presents was the anti-graft and clearly Barrett hitting him reflected the will of about five hundred major leaguers at that time. HA was haters of player, but he is great on TV. It's only also wanna World Series, then led Chicago two thousand five White Sox team happy trails. Chris long the defensive end is retiring from the NFL after eleven seasons. He was the second overall pick by the St Louis Rams and his later years. He played on back to back Super Bowl teams in New England and Philadelphia, he's become a well respected social activists, and he was dead hall of Famer Howie, long have more sex than any father son, duo, and NFL history with one hundred and fifty four although clay Matthews needs just to put the Matthew Stanley back on top. Tony long family has distinguished itself. So incredibly on and off the field coup. How raising no sons they did the fabulous family berry. They Halley must be so proud of those, they just wonder I should be running out of show. And so we go to the big finish the Mets saying you NSS for this suffered multiple fractures to his right ankle in an accident at his ranch. Your thoughts and this time he's. Recuperating from surgery, late latch with his heels or something that's really the more about that. Washington linebacker. Ruben foster was carved out for TA's Lynn apparent knee injury. A big loss. It's potentially a very big loss, because he's potentially great player. But there were a lot of Redskin fans didn't want him sign because of the allegations Ridgely of domestic violence. He's cleared to play the doll joke of it's to win the Italian Open is that significant Sony. The doll will not go away. I was looks like he's teetering his body his injuries. He'd go away keeps winning nuggets, president of basketball ops. Tim calmly has appointed turn down the gig with the Windsors death after surprise you. It's stunning. He worked for the wizards. It's a slap in the face of the ownership in the team in search firm. And the guy turned him down last one who's one five nothing now of three two on the sharp your. Karma. Coming back to get the sharp stone. We're out of time trying to better the next time and I'm Tony Kornheiser, Mike on same time tomorrow enough. Shutout win the north western the cross up golf all the live in the postseason right now for national championships. You love me Canada. Do you.

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