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How to Find the Good Gun Rights Groups; AR15.com Forced To Move by GoDaddy; How To Find Ammo: Gun Talk Radio | 01.17.21 Hour 2

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How to Find the Good Gun Rights Groups; AR15.com Forced To Move by GoDaddy; How To Find Ammo: Gun Talk Radio | 01.17.21 Hour 2

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I have said for many many many years that it's important to belong to the good national organizations feeling the blank minimum as well as your state organizations because a lot of where it's really happening is in the states and i continued run into people. Say well i. I didn't know they would do that in our state legislature and my response will then shame on you. There's no job to inform you. It's your job to stay informed. And how you do that. You join your state organization because they're going to tell you what's going on. That's what they do some states. You think well they don't really need a gun rights group. Actually they all do a good example of that. Right now is in montana. Gary marbot joins us right now. He's the president of the montana. Shooting sports association. Gary montana is not the montana of thirty or forty or fifty years ago. You face your own challenges there these days. Well hello tom and and greetings to your listeners. As well i'm sure But the good news is it. Is montana after all we are on the we're advancing. We're making gains here steadily and msa. And i took working together have now gotten a total of sixty eight pro gun bills through the legislature and enacted into law so so we continue to make progress. That might get in the guinness book by the way. I don't know but you're right. We're making steady progress and that will include this section Unfortunately we're coming off an eight year episode of governor who vetoed nearly all of our bills But he's now gone and replaced with a new governor. Who's very pro gun. So we're playing a little bit of catch-up so what are we looking at. What are you going to be able to get past. And i saw something just went through the house. I think i just saw their yes. Our flagship bill is house. Bill one zero to basically will eradicate gun-free zones in montana. Dangerous places where only criminals are armed and where they ply their mayem m That will include permit lewis carry. Which in other states they call constitutional carry and it will also include campus carry and it will and we'll be amount to that is an enhancement of our Current state concealed weapon permits. And you think that's got a pretty good chance of getting through. I think it's it. We'll get through the only question as to. What extent can we prevent it from being amended or weakened tau it ha- it has a lot of legs The the legislature has shut that as maybe their highest priority bill and the governor says he wants it on his desk no later than the end of january. so it's it's on rockets skids and You mentioned it has already. The house convened Two weeks ago and it's already cleared the house. It's gone to the senate matt is terrific and i know that people think well. It's montana facial challenges. There's well you got a lot of people. Of course have as with a lot of western states have move there from the far western states and he kinda got a little bit of a political pollution. I would. I would call it one of the things that you tell me how how far you want to go with this. One of the things that i want to talk about for a second is gun. Rights groups with big air quotes around that that are essentially predatory in nature. And i think that the you guys you know at montana sports sociation have been the recipient if you will of some of that that's correct Probably the organization that you're talking about is Calls itself the national association for gun rights or agr. And that's an operation by dudley brown. How of Colorado and dudley brown is pirate in an opportunist and he has in more than one occasion taking credit for. msa successes to us in his fundraising pitches. He is all about fundraising. And that's it. And so he's tied into the right to keep and bear arms as a good source of cash if he can spook gun owners into believing his Chicken little stories And so he is also involved himself unfortunately in our house. Bill one to our flagship bill and claims that That it's terribly flawed. There's been hijacked. Only he can save it and he can only do that if you send him as much money as you can possibly afford showing me. We're we're the only ones that are really pure and the other gun rights groups. They're compromising away your rights so they he uses that and i've seen this before he's not the only one but he seems to be one of the primary ones uses that way to for people say well i want to be with the group. That's one hundred percent no compromise and totally pure. So i'll send them money. In point of fact. I think that is big money. Yeah i think that's all he does to. We don't see he's never offered to help us get passed in the legislature. The bills that he has subsequently claimed credit for So he just ties onto our tails and uses that for fundraising in claims. The sixers as Kinda fall under the category Before you got on last hour talking about people need to choose their sources of information carefully and critically because there are a lot of people who would like to manipulate them. Tell them what they want to hear. Get them riled up. Get a mad. Get them offended and if they could do that they can control them in this case. Control them in terms of getting their money right fearmongering and that's very popular You know in in our circle on nemesis ain't never does that. I've always been repulsed by that. Fear mongering and so. I don't mind communicating with people. Montana saying look there is the problem in this area and we mean to solve it with a bill. We'll do this and we need your help so come on long And i think that i only do a fundraising pitch to people on my list. Once once a year maybe but you see other groups They they. It seems like the excuse for their communication is to to bolster some kind of fundraising pitch in. And you never see anything. Come from them but it's also a fundraising pitch. It's another yeah right so tell me what's going on with the possibility of montana as a sanctuary state so we will soon have a bill introduced. I i don't really like that term because it's loaded with some baggage that's associated with immigration and maybe other things okay but We will soon have introduced a bill that would prohibit state and local officials from enforcing any federal gun laws at all. And let me tell you about the genesis of that because interesting story. I was back in new york city to appear. Live on the glenn beck. Show to talk about the montana firearms freedom act which i had written and we got through the legislature and i was in the up room talking to judge andrew napolitano and told him about our sheriffs. I bill which we got past a couple of times but had been vetoed by governors To make it a state crime for a federal officer to arrest search or seize without the advanced written permission of the county sheriff. Okay a way to control you know federal enforcement of stuff and he said gary. You don't need to go that far. We'll what can we do. And he said just don't help them enforce their laws. They don't have the manpower to do it. So i back to montana. And i wrote the first version of this bill to prohibit our state and local people from enforcing gun laws. And we've gotten that passed. I think twice before but it's been veto by governors but We're going to run it again. And this time we have a governor who will sign it. I'm just thinking as you're talking there and it occurs to me when a lot of times in the feds command they immediately go to the sheriff's department and here and say we need your help enforcing this warrant this thing. Because they don't really have the manpower in many cases. So judge napolitano maybe onto something here right and this is based on prince fee. Us and for your listeners. Who don't remember that story win. The original brady act was passed in ninety four the first version of that required county sheriff's to perform the criminal records background checks for federally. Licensed dealer and gun sales and Sheriff j prince of ravelli county. Montana said no. You said you guys feds. Don't don't pay my salary and you don't let me office. I'm not doing it. And he filed a federal lawsuit went to all the way to the us supreme. Court justice. Clarence thomas wrote the decision. As i recall in any way the outcome of that was the. Us spring court said that congress may not commandeer the resources of the states and local governments industry that elect letter law. That's good law right now. And so this business of us saying we're not gonna help you. Enforce laws is based on that spring court decision. Strong decision gary course. You guys have been doing good work for an awful long time there. I want to direct people to your website. it's empty. ssi for tanna state. Montana shooting sports association. Mt ssi dot org carry on and just keep doing good work a lot of times. It's it doesn't get as much attention as making noise and trying to get money all the time but you just get the job done man right. That's that's our mission again. Like i said we've now gotten sixty eight pro gun and pro hunting bills through the legislature and enacted into law. That doesn't include. All the ones have been vetoed or didn't make it through the process this section. We will have one more measure. We're limiting ourselves this action to Total of three measures even though we have a lotta on our wishlist But the third one will be a joint resolution of our legislature Asking the board of regents to spool up collegiate shootings porch. People who who are who are excellent shooters Who are ships universities. Out of state. In order to get those scholarships in joining existing shooting teams and dang we. We have that here in montana for our kids and be able to keep them here and and get him to scholarships and then a chance to be on the shooting team. There you go. Gary mar about thank you so much. The what you're doing. I appreciate it. I know the folks montana if they don't they should if they are not. They need to belong to the montana. Sports association take care you too all right eight six six talk. Are you a member of your state organization and as you think about as we go forward i mean we can win is to work harder at work smarter. We have to write jackson. Send money are i. Guess the question is are you in also come back. I have a way for us to fund this whole thing. I i got an idea. 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The national shooting. Sports foundation has a great website called where to shoot dot org. It's the largest database shooting ranges on the internet. It's also a great resource for shooters where you can find video tips printable targets and a lot more find it online and where to shoot dot. Org while you're there download the free iphone. Now that's where shoot dot org Go ahead give away my really. How are we going to fund this whole thing. I'm looking right now in. The powerball is up to seven hundred and thirty million dollars. Mega millions is up to eight hundred and fifty million dollars so we don't have to be greedy and both of them. We could just win one of those. I'm thinking yeah you get Take home half a billion dollars. And if one of us wins that they need just allocate one hundred million dollars of it put that towards forming. Maybe even a new gun rights group. Let's say if you had a hundred million bucks if you could pull a measly ten percent off of that you got ten million dollars a year just to fund it. You'd never touch. This is sound financial planning. I'm just telling you know powerball mega millions lottery tickets. No i think. I think we're all going to have to pony up twenty dollars a month do at times. What a an emphasis to man of us. Holy cow man. We could do. Is that all line of what we do for head that anything. We wanted simple as that. Here's a story. Where the heck was his kerrville texas. A good samaritan has be recognized by kerrville police for his heroic efforts to stop an almost deadly stabbing that resulted in one hospitalization in one arrest. There's one of those things that makes go story says the senator who attempted to break up the argument. This is in a subway. The senator who attempted to break up the argument is a concealed carry holder and when he saw the knife he went back to his vehicle and grabbed his pistol. Police said he then came back into the restaurant and held patton at gunpoint until officers arrived. I guess we're going to have this conversation again. If you have a concealed carry permit the gun goes on your belt not in your truck because this could have gone so south that there was no time to go to your truck and get your gun in return. What it's over in five seconds instead of in two minutes. I mean i applaud the guy for being willing to helping out but come on people hit straight. Okay let's go to line five gyms with us out of new bern north carolina talk about. Hey jim your gun talk. Hey no i'm a. I'm a new listener. So has a new or almost new concealed carry permit person getting ready to buy a gun and of course as you said ammunition is hard to find right. What do we do. How do we get our so called gun program personal gun program off the ground. Well you know. I'm afraid or some of us are going to end up being like barney. Fife we're gonna care that one bullet in our shirt pocket and get ready walking around. Got my barney bullet ready. It's actually. It's a really good question. And i don't mean to make light of it. Traditionally emma was well up until about a year ago. It's pretty darn cheap and available everywhere. Now it's not cheap and it's gilbert harder to find. You can find it yesterday. But it's a little bit crazy expensive but i would say by what you can buy an. You'll be able to find. You know i let me back up what What pistol do you have I'll be picking up glock. Nineteen okay nine. Millimeter cool That's good because that's your better chance to find a nine millimeter. Ammo get you some practice. Mo full metal jacket. We used to seventeen cents around. Now you're gonna pay anywhere from sixty cents or a dollar for around. So i fifty one hundred two hundred rounds whatever you can find whatever you can do and do a little bit of shooting and then do a lot of practicing and we have some structure videos if you go to look for gun talk on. Youtube is going to be the to find him or you go to gun. Talk dot com. We have some dvd's but there are things you can do in terms of practice without lie. Fire it dry firing or using dummy. Handle the problem here and i guess. Have you already taken your concealed carry class. Oh yeah. I'm just waiting for another week or so. I should have permit in okay so you take the class. How did you do in class It was either fifty or eighty rounds. Yeah not very much okay. So it really was more more qualification and not really a lot of instruction. Then i gather is that right. Yes sir yes friend. I was with was retired Naval i think it was uh. Mp type style help help guide me took me to the range. We do practice well. That's a really good start. If you have a friend like that who can help you out you know. And honestly here's the thing and we all probably would be better off. We'd practice this way. You started going out and blazing away and sending a lot of rounds down range. I'm reminded of the professional golfers who say they'd never hit a practice shot at the range without a purpose for every single swinging a purpose for every single. Pull the trigger. We we make there should be a purpose and you should be able to think. What am i doing with this. Pull of the trigger. What is it. I'm trying to accomplish. Am i working on trigger. My working on sites. Am i working on getting back on target for the second shot and instead of going bang bang bang bang bang assess and then maybe bang bang. But stop and say okay. What am i doing. What am i working on am i. Am i getting better honestly. If each of us would do that we've become much better shots much more quickly. There's a website by the way call ammo seek s. e. e. k. emo seek dot com. Their gyms dempsey and they're bragging right. Now they have about six million rounds of nine millimeter available but this is through their redirects. But you can go there and put that in and find places online have ammo and they can mail them to your or sent them to your address. I believe i checked on them Actually last couple of days and they have like ten ten sources that they really you know seem to like and literally. It's always not stock non stock. So they're saying one thing but i don't think they're retailers actually have the product yet. What i'm hearing for people who are making connections is going to sound bizarre. I think it's kind of like buying tickets for a beyond say concert or something or grateful. Dead you gotta get up early or stay up late and early being five o'clock in the morning and get online and he's got to do it over and over again But but it's their people are buying ammo and people are going to brownell brownell dot com People are going ammos seek. They're finding it. It's it's just one of those. The and jim retailers are doing better. They're getting apple so it's out there. It is truly frustrating. And look i applaud you for getting the training getting to carry permit and working on this and also encourage you to go find another rio class 'a good class one or two day classic and really movie through but of course you gotta ammo for that maybe three or four hundred around class so he got to figure that out. It's this weird place where each of us figured it out differently. Power you tackling the challenge of finding emma. That really the questions. Like where are you buying. What do you do it or you shoot less. are you smarter. Had eight six six proc gun. We won't help who to know. What are the more disturbing trends going on right now. The whole cancel culture thing. We talked about that too fast. It's gotten a lot worse literally in the last couple of weeks you know. And i'm of the opinion looking at history. If you can take people's power away you can control them. And one of the key ways of taking people's power away is preventing them from being able to exchange information to communicate with each other to shutting down their communications systems. And i don't care if it was banana republic fifty years ago where they go over. Take over the radio stations. Tv stations or d platforming. A gun company a gun organization facebook just shutting down. Philip van cleave from the virginia citizens defense league. You have these groups which in some of these outfits are now large enough to where they are not really Provider they are the online the highway. If you will and we have not yet come to grips with what we're going to do about that but it is serious in the blink of an eye your there and then you're not their online and being an online is basically being there being in existence. These days a company that just ran into that this week was the huge website. Ar fifteen dot com joining us to talk about that and a lot of things p brownell from brown ales and ar fifteen dot com api. How you doing partner. i'm pretty. I'm doing pretty good okay. Well our first of all backup because a lot of people know obviously brown hills name. No you that oh brown. Elle's dot com the huge outfit. But you guys bought a or fifteen dot com. Is that right. Yeah the visas. And i went brown. Alex got together about over a year ago. Now so They're now working with us. Okay good deal all right so we had. This news broke his kind of like what just happened and it was. was it. go daddy. The did this thing. Yeah it was it was go. Daddy wouldn't have guessed go daddy. The registered our registrar a lot of people's registrar. They're very good at it Pulled the plug on us so a registrar is like your description. When you're on tucker carlson you said this is the phone book or the phone directory. It's how you find different. Websites is there. Is this directory once they took you off. It's like nobody could find air fifteen dot com. And that's right they. They're the person that takes the inputted. Your search bar and they tell you go to these servers and there's one they're telling you there's the same thing as being taken off the internet because no one can find you just not there so what what was the transition what transpired. How did this develop. Yeah there was a book so every fifteen for guys. Twenty five years since their inception never allowed Illegal types of Talk or activities being promoted on that side so we don't condone violence. We don't do any of that and to make sure you you are in compliance with your own policies. You have to moderate. So there's a there's a whole cadre of great moderators out. There that are looking through and running a thread and making sure that players are Staying within our code of conduct so so happens to line up with go daddy and Many of the other hosting services and companies along those lines. What happens is when since you are a platform you you and your you allow people to talk like any other talk like any other social media place and you're moderating that and you're helping guide that conversation would agree making sure people stay inbounds during the Leading up to and during the the sixth there was chatter going on that was getting quite animated and and we were moderating as we always have been and Go daddy didn't like the pace that we have we were going at and they got a complaint and the complaint basically said that you're in violation of our and promoting violence slanted. They got a single complaint. How how many people how. Many people you have a are fifteen dot com. Well we got six million a month out. Go ahead and towards seven You know anyone time they'll be ten thousand so it's hard to. It's hard to stay on top of these things as quickly as immediate were we want. We believe in free speech. So it's it's it's you don't change the definition of as we as we are Just moderating but that's not real time it's like they're reading but you can only read it so fast and it may be a few hours before moderator sees a particular post and can react to that dude as fast as you can but it's a real time computer generated deal so so what did go data came back to give you warning and say hey you guys got to get this fixed or anything. Yeah there there was a hey. We're noticing we're noticing things we said. Yeah we're we're on top of that. We're fixing it but then it was Woke up I was actually getting talking with wong. That's when he got the notice that hey we just got the boot twitter for d platform. No longer being carried by. Go daddy so we were kicked off the website. And that's that that made me look differently no matter where you are in the country because of How how many times are registered updates all those servers around the country so sometimes it would look like maybe it was an hour or two because we scampered to get Backup online with the new registrar right and some areas. It looks like were down for plenty of ours. You know. almost twenty four hours as the new registrar told everybody hey on the new guy to go look at the two point you to the right sort of works and as they tell us as i look at textile for to populate the dns you get into the nitty gritty of stuff. So so where are you now. They are fifteen dot com backup. We are up and adam so we we were shut down. We actually had a backup. Site called fifteen backup. And that's when served as our temporary side not fully functioning but it was still operational and still able to communicate with people back up on another partner and we're ready to rock and roll but it does raise a flag of The partners that are in hosting and providing an service to all of them. Where are they going to respond. What kind of risks are they. Now put into the mix on staying open and available to have your first amendment rights on on this issue and it is a miracle. I know people say well. You're not the government shutdown certainly not a first amendment right year. Maybe but it is a free speech right and if you get to a certain point where people and we had several cases this past week where twitter facebook and amazon supposedly acting independently all shutdown. Somebody on the same day that is maybe perhaps being president trump and others. And you you know at a certain point if you completely r. d platforms and unavailable to appear anywhere on the internet. It's it may not be a government action and may not be literally a first amendment action but it serves a free speech action and that is very troubling right now. It is troubling. Now there's there's a bit of a nuance in this These are either public company. Or i'm trying to either private companies. They're not paid for with tax dollars. They should have the right to do whatever they they want to sports on the side. But there's something called section two thirty right and and it's us the people that are in social platforming and maybe more people across the country are starting to discover this section to thirty s protection. That when pete win civilians make comments the hosting company and the brand name on twitter. Bayer fifteen we're not liable for those comments. If we allow free speech to be the city square that people are or curling from or talking from bright once we start editing and start cutting people's voices out you become your publisher the internet platform and then you're liable for everything that goes on that site so you can't have government protection without the obligation of of hearing to and and hearing the first amendment free speech. You can't have it both ways. Okay well one or the other. Exactly right we'll keep following us. He i hold on here second. He take a break. We'll come back and assist brown just one of the largest online sellers of ammunition and guns. I wanna find out. Where is the ammunition and guns partner x ram on buying. You're buying okay there you go. We're talking with brown from brownell. Ar fifteen dot com. If you'd like to join us eight six six talk gun be right back for more than seventy years tim. 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Are you guys just hoarding stuff. What no it's been a. It's been a heck of a run on Interest in firearms and some interesting statistics We sometimes they'll don't think of how fast or how big the industry's grown over the last. Just ten months. There are eight million new gun owners in america making one point one to one point two purchases of firearms in the last nine months and with one or two if not three boxes of ammunition. So wow so. What's what's been happening is a huge. And they'll probably be by when the numbers come out the final numbers come out for twenty twenty. I would bet you there's going to be really Nine and a half million new owners at the largest growth. We've had ever eight percent in ron numbers. Even i can do the the math on that. If you got nine and a half million gun they bought at least nine and a half million guns last year. Oh my goodness yeah. It was a huge number because he was number. And and here's what happened. We've had scarcity runs before But this one is on top of new markets going up as well so scarcity run. Is you know you go to the store. And there's one box Remember the twenty twos one. Box of twenty two well When you first time that's out you go darnall while the school back. Maybe a little quicker and when you go back you buy everything on the shelf because you don't want to run out right that just compounds it's issue so we're seeing. Some people would call that hoarding. If you buy two we don't we call it preparation so there are a lot of people preparing right to go out to the range This summer a lot of new coming in going to the range. And all of that is exceeding the capacity of I mean actors ammo gun makers both got nine million more gun sold this year than the year before because that would be the case. We are brand new people you know the gun makers cannot suddenly say we're going to produce ten million more guns this year the last year. They don't have that ability now. Don't and then you you pack it on top of that Most of these most of us are located in areas. That we wanna take care of our people and we don't want them to have any kind of sickness and her family with this. Kobe right on top of everything. When when one person is we traditionally without going. They go home for the flu. We wouldn't send anybody. Also factories are facing the same thing when somebody goes down. They don't want cross contamination so listen more than one or two people. Home reducing him out of workers. Sure i'll be rigorous was telling me he says sometimes we have to shut down the line for a few hours while we're contact tracing and everything else and i thought every thought of that. That's a that's a line of machines making guns that got shut down right right. So it's there's a constraint on demand there's a supply is phenomenal. there's some interesting interesting sub groups that are merging with this mostly urban america. Which if you overlay other demographics mostly at democratic america is buying guns for the first time. So there's a lot of focus on nine millimeter twelve gauge That's the one that's really Going crazy right now. A factory knows that what's going to sell and they're gonna shut down the lines at aren't going to transition the lines. It really aren't You know going nine millimeter or fifty seven thirty eight or three eighty running else being produced. Because they're they need to be making that 'cause that's where the demand is right now. exactly. I mean why. Are you going to sit there. And make a whole bunch of three fifty. Seven sig third waylon. Yeah are two pitches. Saline roberts when you're not gonna make a lot of that you're not casula something really interesting as well the ap hold on. I'm brian. I'm right up against my whole that. This is something interesting as well. Because i want to do that. And also when we come back I wanna find out. There is still some available. I mean what do we do. We just put in an order. Do we get up at three. In the morning. We're talking about brownell from brown hills. Brownell dot com place to go for him. Oh and forgotten for parts and for uppers and pretty much everything else. They got it. All right they're good people and very nice people eight six six talk gun. I'm tom gresham. We'll be right back with a secret kidnapper. I back graded. We're talking with pete. Brown al grenell's and fifteen dot com and a lot of other companies actually. Beat i cut you off because you were starting to say and there's another thing. So what is that other thing going to there we were. We were talking about ammo and availability of demand and supply. The one of the big things is the components. The powder the prime the brass plenty of brass cups out there that the manufacturers can get their hands on but primers and powder lot of the powder primers come from overseas success and the ones that are on you know onshore are. There's there's some of them They're they're predominantly going to go to military. I military has the call for Supply no we have ourselves supply chain risk in ammunition that causes at that causes a lot of people that have been through this. Before to stock up on reloading so If you stock up on powder and primer plenty of brass go after the range but if you don't have powder primer bullets Which you know. There's most of the bullets today are made from recycled lead tire weights example. It's not it's not virgin lead right. So that the if there's any epa rules come out about recycling lead or can't bring components in for firearm firearm ammo components in from offshore. We're going to have a further constraint of raw goods and that's something that could be done by abide administration without passing any legislation. That's right he could do that. Inauguration plus minute yep exactly right so if somebody says okay. But i want buy some nine millimeter ammo and it showing out a stock wh- is there a way that they can get line or at brown house. Yeah that's the best way to do it. There's two ways get a backwater in most companies. Were definitely one of them. You don't get charged until the order. Actually ships magic policy to have so get in line. You can always cancel a back order as well so That kind of propagates the put back order and every site you can and i wanna get it Cancel everything else now. Hate to have that because it has that has a cascading impact across the whole industry. Right where we the motors that way. But now it's not really an issue because you know everybody's just trying you're getting all damn or you can get and turning around himself. A quick comment people have said well. You re retailers. Retailers resellers are a price gouging. My point is if you don't know what somebody's having to pay for the product. You don't have any idea what their markup is right. That's right that's right. You wanna stick with companies have been around a while that look at the reputation of them. There's some good companies out there were. I would like to consider us one of them where we hold our prices. It's we asked for a fair a fair profit and we don't gouge in times of need like this. It's it's not. It's not in our ethics to jump up the price. I like the used to have a line in your printed catalogs. Since john ruskin says a a retailer stores number one obligation to its customers is to make a profit. Because if you don't make a profit you can't be there next year for them. That's right that's people outside of that. Sometimes you you guys have got to make a profit otherwise you're not going to stay in business that's just how it works You know we could go on and on you and i when we get together we do exactly that we go on and on feed and not going to ask you about the politics of the day. We'll get into that another time. I just want to thank you for what you doing. And where they are fifteen dot com with brownell with all the companies. You guys do. It's a great family operated. Comprehend i appreciate you and what your whole team does appreciate the kind words. Tom appreciate it. Thank you or pass it along to the crew there. If you would please. I will all right. You take care. Ny p brownell brownhill dot com good outfit solid out. Take care of you. So how about a new. Tv show tv. Show shooting involved. He ever have that news. Also have time for you to get in and how about a new kind of scientific way to stop. Bullets lebron Something new out there. Eight six six talk gun.

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Say Goodbye to Tespa, the Longtime College Esports Leader is Retiring the Brand for 2021

College Esports QuickTake

02:09 min | 5 months ago

Say Goodbye to Tespa, the Longtime College Esports Leader is Retiring the Brand for 2021

"Well today was supposed to be a program Spotlight, but we had breaking news in the ecology Sports World as Tessa announced they're shutting down the long-running brand imma dreams and the ecology Sports quick take from Esports work you Sports network is looking for new sponsors. If you work for a company looking to expand its reach in Esports you Sports network has opportunities across digital media podcasting and video programs. Please reach out to e-sports or CEO Mark Kimmitt using the email in the bio of this shell r i p test says 2013 has been one of the leading Collegiate e sports event organizers. What began is the Texas e Sports Association grew to a lot more and was the official partner of Activision Blizzard's titles in the college world today. They announced the test what brand would not be continuing into twenty twenty one month first reported by Adam pitch at Saratoga and confirmed by test with this morning. The brand is retiring Vision blizzard is not abandoning the ecology Sports World. However, the test between will be reworked in the comb. Programs for individual games often becoming part of each games independent path2pro ecosystem according to test with statement. The teams will be focusing on OverWatch Call of Duty and Hearthstone competitions going forward her Stone will fall under HSE Sports. Will OverWatch will fall under its dedicated path2pro accounts. There's also a new college page being added to the Call of Duty League website due to covet thy are all canceling their chapter programming as well the lack of Live Events due to the pandemic combined with a rapidly growing ecosystem of other league organizers likely push test but to make this change College competitions will see you this coming spring but there's no doubt that we are in a period of flux for Ecology Sports for the last decade test button CSL have been the two main players in this industry now test was being fractured and CSL hands of new ownership. Suddenly. A major vacuum is opening up and there's no shortage of companies hoping to fill it. That's all freezed episode of the ecology Sports quick take I'll be back tomorrow with the program Spotlight that should happen today. Of the top colleges for its programs in North America.

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Episode #114: Gaming Replaces Music, Xbox Cloud Stadia, Minecraft Earth Shutdown, Microsoft Shopping Spree

The Business of Esports

1:09:57 hr | 4 months ago

Episode #114: Gaming Replaces Music, Xbox Cloud Stadia, Minecraft Earth Shutdown, Microsoft Shopping Spree

"They may call me the prophet but in my life. Outside of the business of sports. I have worked on the investment side of the table for the better part of the last two decades. The single fastest growing area of gaming e sports is gambling. It's booming right now. You don't need to be profit like me to see that. Whoever as an investor. I have stayed away from gambling and betting companies because of the reputational risk and often shady nature of the companies involved. That was true. Until now. I have recently bought stock in a new public company called east sports entertainment group which is focused on e. sports and gambling. The big difference. That changed my mind. Is that ea sports. Entertainment group is a public company. Nasdaq-listed and fully regulated focused on east sports betting the regulatory and audit requirements of a public company are key in my mind to provide the needed transparency for players betters and investors. I had an opportunity to host the ceo of sports. Entertainment group on this podcast. A couple of months back and i was very impressed by his vision for the company. We have stayed in touch. And i'm delighted to announce that they've accepted to become an official sponsor of the podcast. If you're a family office institutional investor or investor of any kind ea sports entertainment group ticker symbol g. m. b. l. Might be one of the best ways to get exposure to the e sports betting space and gaming in general make sure to check them out at e sports entertainment group dotcom. Having said that. I need to make sure to stay. This is only my opinion. I'm not an investment advisor or selling stock in the company. Please make sure you do your own research and seek advice from a licensed professional if you're looking to invest in the field. Welcome to the business of east sports. Podcast the official podcast of eastport. We explore the intersection of business. And eastbourne's one of the fastest growing industries in the world. And the future of fun please. Welcome your host. William the eastward professor collars and palled e sports prophet dowell. Leaving the business of these sports podcasts begins now from the keyboard to the boardroom. This is the business of sports podcast. I'm joined today by my friend. And co host william collis but those of you who are new to the podcast. Welcome to the official podcast of sports. What we do here is we. Cover the most pressing gaming e sports topics news of the week. But we look at all of it through a business and c. Suite lens we analyze. We dissect the business implications of everything happening in this industry for our regular listeners. Thank you guys for tuning in every week. Thank you for all the five star ratings and reviews. Thank you for all the comments. Thank you for all the love. Thank you for telling your friends about the podcast. We really appreciate it if you haven't already if you haven't already go by williams book finally. He's not advertising. he's he's changed his background for those of you are still have book. It's not. it's not too far away even the socks away. I'm not. I'm not gonna. I'm here to join me to hold the socks reach the right at the table next. No go by some business of sports socks go by williams book e sports definitely both worth your while but most important. Tell your friends about the podcast. This is how people find out about it. This is how we've grown so quick and we really appreciate it william. How was your week. They're all so busy right now. Paul we didn't talk this week. It's like we gets a little bit like like when your significant other goes away or you're on your on you're traveling for work and you don't see the other person for a week. I missed annoying now. Yeah i missed you too. Well that's so sweet. Like someone message me on lincoln saying that you know you. And william are great. It feels like that you've known each other for your whole lives. If only people knew only been like what three or four years now four years something like that. i mean. i can't believe it's been that long. Because i you know i mean i feel like it's just i mean we should probably we should. I think we should go at some point for the podcast. We should do. The how are meet cute. Did you guys know the phrase Know what is sort of like in romantic comedies. Right like when you're gonna meet when like the love interest need for the first time it has to be in this cute way like this interesting. You know kismet carmella right idea. And so if you're a romcom writer the slang you use phrases meet cute. It's your meek yet right. I have ended her to this term. You've never heard of the term. It's such a great industry tire so we should talk about our meet. Cute which is like are funny story about how we met and like. Now look at us how we're together. I mean the beauty of this is we'll have we both now have a new me cute because we've got a fantastic guests this week on the podcast brad. Tendon holtz who who's the ceo of ca. I love that like the words. There are beautiful see standing for the corporate east sports association. he's been working with corporate sports for more than eight years during that time. The businesses donated more than four hundred thousand dollars to charities. You work with two hundred court more than two hundred corporate teams around the world brad. Welcome to the business of sports podcast. Sex politics excited to be here a long time listener. We appreciate that. It's always fun when people come on and actually have listened to a at least they know what to expect but was rough for our listeners. Because i actually had not heard of the corporate sports association. I love your mission. I love what you guys are doing. And i think our listeners would benefit greatly from just telling them about it and a little bit about your story in terms of how you started you got involved etc. Well it's really simple. We get companies from all over the world to play video games against each other. So co workers get together so you know the the the employees of like general motors. We'll get together they'll make. Let's say a valerie team. They'll pick a charity to play for the play for one match week for fourteen weeks against other companies just like them. In the winner of each game tournament decides to which charity all the money goes class this season we donated to a whole bunch charities. A whole bunch of you know for a second and third place winners across like nine different It's just a really great experience at loved what i'm curious. How do how do you pitch this to like big corporate customers like mortars right. Is the phone call like hey do you guys want to play some games totally different. When you wanna say no you answer your question. I'm very excited. So believe it or not like the best thing about working with the sales calls do not feel like sales calls like you. You hit it on the head. And if there's one thing. I want to say to the viewers of this podcast by one word of all that. I think we have this. Perception is people in the sports industry. That people outside of these sports industry really don't know who you are what we're about what we do and that stopped being true like two or three years ago. I have you know when we first started making like pitch tax. We will put in things like. Hey this is what he's sports is. This is how big it is. And everyone's like that. We know we know. Keep on and we we get rid of it so we do. I mean that's a lot of how these calls go say. Hey look playing video games. Do you want to play some more video games. And and across the board people say yes i think. What's more surprising. Is that for sixty percent of our teams registration. Fees are paid for by their company. So they at least know what it is well enough to understand the value of it and i could talk more about the way the mechanism by which you know. This actually makes money. If that you know harris at home i was gonna ask that. But i want i want william to get his question and i get their shirt. Mike question is is there. I'm actually curious given that this gamers ripe picking the charities. Their donations go are there. Commonalities in versus are there commonalities in the charities. Heck in other words like what are gamers favorite charities and kinda curious william. That's a great question. I mean it certainly would be a thing to have you know like twitch chat. Pick a charity for you. I mean imagine how that would go now. Our audience is a little bit of that on average but like not a lot right at Adding too so you know. The ca has gotten really good in the past like three years at knowing what charity is and how to properly benefit charity. And like you know what organizations are good to give to and then in what way to do that so when someone comes to us and says hey we are you know. We need a charity. But we don't know which one to pick. We've gotten a lot better at answering that question in an informed manner that kind of aligns with their values company. But if the question you're asking is has anyone ever submitted like an outright charity saying tank as a joke. Yeah that's happened and we know. We work around that to mike which was literally more more general. 'cause i'm curious if gamers like want to give too specific classes of interest. You know what i mean. Because we're almost like our own demographic and were mobilized in our own way and i'm just curious if there are specific issues or things that matter to gamers you know because i am particularly kinda ties to the second question i had which is like You know i've noticed the rise of charity in propelling game. Your viewership is such a prominent theme of the past. You know the classic example. In my mind that i think is. Add you're awesome games done quick right which is like. It's such a big deal whenever they do there. And i i'm kind of curious to maybe it's this lead into my second question just like do you see like how do you see the charity. Space evolving going forward in gaming given that it seems like it actually plays a pretty significant part in mobilizing communities today. Will you're asking great questions today. So let me let me answer. Both of those. So the first thing is gamers donate less as gamers and more functions of the company. They represent so for instance. If you ask amazon charities they're going give to they'll tell you like very data driven things right. You know we're going to give to give well because they know exactly the right places to give it to. We think they do the math better than we do. But if he talks like red hat which is a company that has much more on the free software. Let's do it in a world angle. They want to give to charities that maybe you haven't thought want they wanna save the rainforests. They want to do things like that. So i think the the overall theme this is a good thing is that companies donate to charities that aligned with their corporate values who who typically are. You like two questions one. Where are you typically selling into. When you're pitching to these companies is it is the hr departments making these decisions and to what is the business model. I don't i wanna make a comparison here but please don't read into it. In any way is it is kind of like the play verse but for big corporations. Big corporations is that sort of the business model. Yeah that's actually a really good thinking us so what we do to make. Money is because to the companies to play with us and we offer these in-house team building events which are awesome so he famous talent like literally people you see casting could live sports events we bring them in. We have everyone Play on on you. Know internal corporate teams against each other and we we call it an aspirational sports experience. We make it feel like it's very real. And then what we do is we recorded the practice sessions. So ca went out. We did some software development and we have this platform called ca comprehend so we put all of the recordings of their practice sessions into ca comprehend. We spit out really fine. Grain data driven metrics about. Why this event made you a better company. So why people are communicating better. They know each other better. It are they using if were curse words using more first names the talking objective-driven driven manner. So it's kind of our business autorite. We take that you know those events of varying shapes and sizes to the companies that play with us so to answer your question. Paul and it was a long way around you know. We talked to a very wide breadth. The people you know just on my discord friendless everyone from directors down to like a junior engineers and all of them help us make decisions for their companies. As it pertains to you know certainly talked to all levels of hierarchy and a company and. I don't really think we're anymore bias toward. Hr than any other department. We very likely to talk to. Hr if in hr rep was playing but like let's say hypothetically i'm just trying to understand the product stack in the business model here. If if i'm i'm an employee at amazon right and i'm listening to this podcast and i'm like that'd be cool if i could play with my colleagues and like it's all for a good cause right could i. Would i reach out to see a and you guys could just enable that sort of outside of the organizational benefits outside of the you know all those other things is this. Is it a platform that literally employees can leverage to to organize like call it locally within their you know organization within their teams. Oh yeah i mean. I think if you're if you're an employee listening to this and you wanna get involved just go to gaming for good dot g g And you can you can. You can kick the ball off tonight. You can really easily and start the conversation with us. you know i. It always helps to bring in more stakeholders so we know what what the values are how we can align values. Make sure you're getting out of it. What you want to get out of it. We can do it in one day brad. I'm a little offended though. You said you hold these events for for these teams right. These look like these kickoff events and you invite super famous east. Sports people. My invite must have been lost in the mail. I'm assuming spam folder may be. I don't know her. Check your over that obviously there since and for years most famous human being in all of these sports doesn't get an invite so. Don't worry i go there. You go just in terms of like a where you see because you mentioned you saw this inflection. Point happened where you sort of no longer needed to rights right. Make the case for e. sports right specifically a at what point sort of in the last few years did did you see that inflection. Point happening and be do you find. It's a specific sector or type of company. That is much more sort of amenable to this kind of thing understands it better right. Are there certain industries. Like i dunno like consumer packaged goods or things like that or you know luxury brands or are there. Specific industry sectors types of companies that this resonates sort of more immediately with so. Certainly you know if you go to microsoft like you don't really have to sell sports like they get But honestly even if you go to companies that are exactly the opposite of companies you would think would be really savvides for walmart is really into sports. They totally yet. He sports I have yet to find a company that has had across my radar in terms of an organization that can either join the league that we can do business with that. Hasn't at least known what they're talking about. I think the problem a lot of them have had as they've had these conversations before and what's happened is east. Sports experts have gotten on the call with them and try to educate them about what their goals ought to be. And that's left. You know very sour taste in their mouths. They know exactly what they want to get to be sports and they just don't quite know how to do it down interesting very interesting William i don't know if you had any questions but i kinda. I'm just surprised. Because i it's interesting. I i still think there's more a little bit of gap with with these tales. But it's interesting. I mean maybe it's like the sort of people that you are talking to you know are like there's certain level of savviness. I think required like just to to be interested in doing a gaming tournament right whereas there's maybe some prequalification because i do still think like in general interest. There's definitely an awareness alec. Everybody knows it's thing like nobody's going to be like. I've never heard of that whereas like three years ago even people would be like what. What is this thing you know. What does it do but But i i. I don't know i still feel like the savviness is still building in one will. You're you're exactly right and let me prove it. You look how many companies in the past like six months have gone really into like the sports tournament hosting space. People are are very aware that he sort of thing and they wanna get involved but they don't quite know how to do it so you know you might know that he's a thing but you don't know what legal licenses you know you. Sports is a thing. But you don't understand. What a headshot is and bridging that education gap will i. I think we're on the same page on that and and reaching out and finding organizations i mean i know you talk a lot about some of the companies that have made acquisitions in these space. Microsoft facebook twitch That kinda got into sports tournament management. You know this east sports. For all headline i really think that's future and where things are going. Yeah yeah it's interesting right because you touch on your business touches on something that i fund fundamentally have rallied for over the last couple of years. Which is the definition of east sports. Right now is too strict. Just the the top pros on a stage in a stadium with an audience. Like if that's if that's the the strict definition we all have to adhere to to me. That's not that exciting. I think what i love about what you're doing is can you bring me sports to To amateurs right and in a way. That is a win win for everybody where you know. You're doing good and they're having fun and their team building. I really like that sort of That model and that that mission you know. That's that's that's been more exciting future sports. It's the broader audience. It's not the sort of just that the iceberg kind of audience. Well what it does. He grows the platform. And let me explain to you. Know you watched the ncw tournament right the basketball tournament. And you watch. Let's say it's ohio state versus indiana. You might be aware that. Ohio state and indiana have good basketball teams. You might be interested in that. But that's kind of you know unless you went to one of the schools. That's your connection with that of that but you don't think about sports thinking about the is now if you're watching microsoft versus google. Everyone knows those companies. Are i mean instantly as soon as you tune in you have a stake in this discussion. You have a stake in. What's happening on the street in front of you. And we thank you know that kind of ford momentum usually powerful bread one recurring topic on the podcast is publisher. Power right is something you guys have run into in terms of you know publishers trying to dictate what you can or can't play. What kinds of tournaments you can or can't put on you know. Have any of them expressed excitement or discomfort or somewhere in between at the kinds of tournaments. You guys put on for corporate employees and corporate customers. I'm just curious if they've poked their head into your business in any way over the years of certainly so i'll tell you this. It is really easy to figure out what publishers future aims for. Their platform are just by seeing where. They put their foot in front of us over trying to do she. Don't give you an example so you know riot. You can do almost anything you want to do. As long as it isn't collegiate rydell. Let's do anything But you know then. We talked a blizzard. Blizzard has looked a pleasure to work with but they do have some hoops to jump through you. Kind of see where where their goals aren't where their initiatives are You know sonics obviously works twitch. That's the whole thing. So yeah. I mean we. We get very explicit permission before we do anything. It's a big danger. Oh interesting okay so you do. You do have to make sure you play nice with all the publishers. Absolutely yeah you have to go out get written permission for everything you do interesting and we have. We have definitely seen organizations. Who have tried to do so. Once upon a time there was a term an organization called low key dot g g. They ran a foul blizzard and the overwatch league and the overwatch league did not like that very much very quickly. That term bad for low key dodgy don't make mistakes like that it's interesting that sort of our recurring theme. Just always seems to hold true right like as long as you don't cross the publishers. As long as you play nice your business is fine. The second as long as you take their voice. Yeah it's an interesting point that you raised about like by what the publishers don't want you to do. You can see what they are planning to do. You know i actually interesting insight in business like you know people protect the most what. They're what they care about right cetera. It's kind of cute. You take away. Maybe certainly. I mean you know suits were a charity tournament right. So it's interesting which organizations are interested in telling us what charities buchanan cannot donate to and why Yeah that's been. That's been an interesting set of hoops to navigate. And it's part of why we got so good at vetting charities internally but the publishers have dictated the charities that are acceptable absolutely. Wow okay. yeah even if the employees all get excited about planting trees if it doesn't want to plant trees. I'm not i'm obviously just making up an example right. I'll try not to name names publisher. Xyz doesn't want to plant trees then they can't plant trees is that sort of the fundamental. Interesting how yes. Yeah i mean we have those conversations really well teams and typically they'd take it pretty well but you can easily imagine a situation. That's not the right. Yeah yeah it's a it's a fascinating visit. I love what you guys are doing bread. Let's guys let's move into some new this week. There were few interesting news stories. That i think we should talk about the first. Here is from the guardian. It's actually two stories that i think are related year. And it's from the guardian dot com. The headline here is video. Games have replaced music as the most important aspect of youth culture. It says the global video gaming industry took an estimated one hundred and eighty billion in twenty twenty more than sports and movies worldwide. The article goes in digs into some of these statistics. How much gaming has increased over the years the struggles of music things like that. But how gaming really has now the cultural zeitgeist that music used to have or defines the way music used to related to this. I just wanna bring up. The second story was an investment from variety An article from variety dot com talking. About how and we talked about this at length last week on the podcast and on the livestream the huge investment that roadblocks took in five hundred and twenty million dollars led by some huge funds. But i think what we all didn't know was that warner music. Made an eight figure investment in the platform as part of that. So that's at least ten million plus which out of five hundred and twenty million dollar round is still still substantial to interesting stories related warner music and then you get this article talking about video games replacing music. I'm curious how you guys see the current state of the relationship between music and gaming my own thoughts. But i'm really curious. Just broadly what you guys think about both of these articles and sort of the general relationship between the two as it stands. Now you go you go first. You go first wrong thoughts but you go first so that i can. You're walking into the lion's den. Want to be a w donna but i think in general both of these acquisitions can play into a theme that i saw the expand over twenty twenty which is really weird acquisition by big name brands in these sports space. Because i think they're they're being guided more on passion than principles So you know i. I really don't see how the blocks investment would help. Were media other than that. I think roadblocks is going to continue to expand his company. I mean i. I'm i'm guessing again right. That warner music invested in roadblocks. Because they sort of saw what was happening in fortnight right where where various music companies were holding concerts to great success right and they figure well if this metaverse thing which is now the buzzword of the day take this metaverse thing takes off. We wanted to some insight track here right. I just william. I don't know if you're going here it to me. The relationship between game and music gaming and music is an interesting one. Like fundamentally believe gaming consumes the music industry because we see that in those fortnight kind of activation but then you see the music industry of still acting as backwards as they always have rate with all the dmc take downs on twitch. No one can play any music like you would think if they realized that gaming was the future of their industry to they might they might be playing it. Quite differently william. I don't know if you're going in that direction. But while i'm actually almost manually these two stories because the lake. They deserve their own breathing. Room and i was like i knew he did. Our we do our podcast crap. We're going over the topics that i was like. I'm like what's first of all i just. I have to say on the guardian one. I'm just as a standalone piece before. React to what i think is the more interesting. Which is the music side. I'm just on the guardian piece alone like my dad sent you that article like that article was like something that you know. Who's making the rounds as a big you know like i don't wanna say it's a watershed moment for our industry. But i think a lot of people read that article and we're like oh gaming is actually that big like it's the it's the size comparison. That article is so effective right bigger than film and music like everybody. Associates film and music is big industry. So i was nice. And i i think the reality is. I'm a big believer that dollars drive cultural creation. You know this is a totally separate thing that we can talk about. I have some kind of like. I guess some. You know some theories about this. But i i think fundamentally a lot of cultural generation tends to follow economic generation And so i think it's like the fact that the cultural influence of the industry is rising so much says a lot about the The economic impact of the industry. The two are closely linked. So it's kind of like that. It's going to be such a major influence on youth if it's such there's so many dollars behind so that's the first piece on iraq is going to be. The biggest thing is the rob locks warner brothers thing because i think this is really wonder. Music cynically them using. And now we're going to now we're to decouple it from the first article and we're going to go straight into the music portion because i believe that the correct way I believe what's going on here. Is that i think it could be more synergistic than just. Oh we should have some east sports exposure right. We should have some gaming exposure. Let's put some money here. I think if you think about rob lexus. Doing they're doing custom digitize worlds right. That's fundamentally what they're building and if you think about a core experience in any esta world it's music right and they're going to have difficulty injecting music into those game worlds unless they have a partner who can give them a ready access to music. Catalogues right and i could be wrong about this year. I'm not sure but if you look at the artists represented by warner music right. There's a strong overlap with artists that have appeared in other games over the years particularly things like rock bands right and it wouldn't surprise me if it's not lost on music potential for the rock band platform to have driven incremental sales of the music catalog right. It would not surprise me if this is part of a more strategic. Play here to make our catalog of music. Available for creation implementation rob locks games in return for licensing fees and royalties from the creator's levels the purchase packages. Or whatever like. I don't a reach. It could just be very simple. Always better put some money in gaming. It's hot but i i see it as more synergistic particularly with all of the activities that are taking place in the gaming space today right like just look at what league of legends has done with their katie label. They've clearly shown that games can be an avenue to drive music music consumption. So i don't know. I might personally assist the tip of something bigger athlete. I let me. can. I push a bit on that. William 'cause there's a few things. I want to unpack there. But who do you think. Approach to as part of this investment in your mind was this warner music You know trying to squeeze themselves into the deal or was this roadblocks reaching out to warner music going. Hey you know this is going to be are essentially r.i.p. We want you in here for sir my theory to be true. I hope it was rocks reaching out rights. I open. it was rob lock saying what are the elements of world creation. That we don't have a good way to do in house today. Music okay right so it would certainly help us in this next funding round to have a music catalogue company back us because that's going to give us access in insight. There you know for my theory to be true. I almost think he would have to be driven that way. Because i don't think music companies are in the business of calling people up and saying. Do you happen to want an investment for gio our catalog to the integrated into your digital world creation tools. Right like there's not a lot of polar push the other way. I you have to believe strategic vision coming from all blocks right. Push a little bit on that. Well i think. I think you're probably right to be clear but there is. There is an element here. It's that says like this looks really good. If you're the person within one or music has suggested this you're young and you wanna bet your whole career on it like if you really think you've got a great idea it'd be this you will never be associated with this for the rest of the time you work there Which is something. I've seen happen before the question is what's what's the play if you're wanna music and you push this internally to to make this investment what is the play is point that it's like integrating your music in inside roadblocks. He's universe. I mean probably but you know looking at where i think music is gone. And he's really successful music in you sports. I almost wonder if it's more of a creation angle than looking at established artists already creating the next big track on spotify or something because in my view like warner music could accomplish everything they want without having to make an investment this could have been a commercial deal. They could have just cut a deal with roadblocks and said. Hey we'll give you a licensed to our entire catalogue. Here's what we want in return. I if if roadblocks wanted to go get music they didn't need to necessarily take ten million dollars from warner music. This could have been a pure commercial deal. Here's where i struggle which is just the music. Industry historically has never understood the threats to their own industry. They've always actually late. They've never like they never see the wall coming for some reason right there driving fast but they never seem to the wall so paul let me turn that back around on you. So let's say they did. Let's say the music industry understood what we understand about sports. Then what would this look like. What would steal like in that case to me this. You'd have a much more in my mind holistic strategy around taking the music that you own in the catalog that you own and the artists that you own right and really trying to essentially port them to a a growth space like e sports and gaming without all of the sort of the old traditional thinking again why are no big labels allowing for playing of music on twitch like going if you're okay having your music played in roadblocks right as part of this deal because you believe to williams point that it it will sell more more music because people get exposed to it. They hear new artists. Whatever right if you believe that well you could make the same argument for any platform. Really twitch youtube you name it and so why show interest here but then be totally closed off in other areas. I don't really understand right right. It is amazing to me on the topic of music news sports that we are as many years into the amazon acquisition. Which as we are and we still don't have we still have all of the music restrictions on twitch that we do you think that'd be one of the first problems they could clear up and so this is where i gravitate bread to your point. Which is this feels like. The whole. the whole warner music thing doesn't feel like a strategy to me. It feels like this eastport thing is hot right. Let's put ten million or fifteen or twenty whatever they put in right. Let's be associated with this. I'm the i'm you know. Some internal champion to your point really sort of believed in this but i fundamentally don't believe it solves. The music industry's problem. And i don't think they have a again strategy. That solves all the issues across the board on all platforms like making one bet on roadblocks. In my mind's not enough. Yeah what's crazy is and i can just tell you from personal experience if you look at the new music industry so that streaming platforms in the the music. That's come up in the last ten years there is absolutely a gaming strategy and they are moving toward no-holds-barred as fast as they can go. I think we'll probably see some headlines in the next year or two but you're right looking back at more traditional music. Yeah they're the doesn't feel like it's connected anything to me. I mean a guarantee. It's going to hit another wall that they just didn't see for some reason. It is an interesting point though. I know this isn't really like eastwards business. But it isn't doing business is miss questioned. Why is that industry. Not so bad quite seriously. You could say it's all industries like every industry has trouble dealing with existential threats but like it is true. The music industry feels particularly bad about it. Right back everything like like they. They still feel like like it's still feels to me. Like radio is core item on their. Pnl evening ninety has has i would argue evolved better like with the times then then the has gone into podcasting and things like that william packages to answer that question for you so i probably don't as but he's sports as an industry is like it can get rough. It can get you know. It's not always above the board. All the time and i think the music industry is that as well and i think you know when when those elements impacts look good. People are moving things forward. The nasty stuff tends to win You know that's something we've encountered time and time again it's why the was founded And i and. I suspect there had the victims of their own wealth. So what do you guys think. I want hear some predictions here. How soon do we see concerts in roadblocks four-night like totally knocking off the show. Night concert model or do you think that's not going to happen at all along with the seat. Yeah thank you so role. Plays this year so i have to be a little careful my prediction here but i would say it's a tough engineering challenge. So let's give him. Lets given two years to do it. William oh i would go way sooner. I think this is the sort of thing that you're going to do. And there's any strategy behind it. You wanna show approve point relatively early. It might not be a concert. That i would say you know integrated level music packs or something like that in the next three quarters. I would say we'd be seeing something before you mean quite quite seriously because it's difficult. It's fast but at the end of the day there's already music in these games. It's not that hard to pipe. Stop in and if this has any strategy behind it and they're thinking of doing something bigger and more significant two years out. They're going to need to get some proof points in this year. I definitely agree. It's probably this year. Only because you know and i'm a big fan of roadblocks has been doing. I don't even question the valuation william. You missed this. But last week. On the livestream. I bet jeff that that roablocks is act like daily active user numbers would outstripped which twitter's over the next two years and so i'm hugely bullish on roadblocks as a platform and when you read their press release for the five hundred twenty million dollar fundraise as we talked about last week there was no mention of gaming even in that in that right it was all about. I don't even remember what they call it. Something experience and and so in that vein i have. I have no doubt. They have ambitions to integrate music in some way. But i think we're gonna see more of these metaverse kind of efforts from roadblocks over the next year because they have to live up to sort of what they've been advertising. I think what they've been. Essentially selling investors on at some point. They have to live up to that. It can't be just a game platform all right guys. Let's move on. Let's talk about again other huge news. Here this is microsoft that was in the news with a couple of stories. Actually and this article has all three of them here. But i have a separate article that breaks down one of them even further. This is from on microsoft dot com. The headline is microsoft news. Recap minecraft shutting down xbox head once cloud gaming games to support separate purchases and more so. Let me just give you the three microsoft stories. We're going to talk about here okay. Nintendo execs laugh at microsoft's attempt to acquire the company twenty one years ago. We're going to get to this one in a second. We're going to talk about minecraft earth shutting down in june of this year. And we're going to talk about xbox head phil spencer wanting to make cloud gaming aka project x cloud games available for purchase without a subscription. I wanna start with this one guys. Xbox cloud gaming as you know is today only accessible if you have a game pass subscription the ten dollar fifteen dollars a month you know sort of netflix's for games that microsoft offers now phil spencer saying he wants to make it to. The people can buy xbox games and stream them via cloud gaming very similar to stadium approach. So you don't need the subscription you can just buy the game and use it via x cloud. What do you guys think of this. Because this is a pretty significant shift right we. I think we believed up until this point they were very much on the buffet. Kind of strategy right you pay fifteen dollars you get all the games you can play plus the streaming etc. This is definitely a shift. So i'm curious if you guys are bullish on this shift not bullish on it. So go ahead and brat. I'll tell you kind so let me let me just. I make a statement about like kind of cloud available gaming in like kind of the sports for all. Approach that paul. You and i've been talking about one of the most common questions we get when we go to any organization a charity. Whatever instead we want to do an event with them is well. How is this going to happen. Logistically can we play this our laptops and you imagine a world where every game is available on stadia in suddenly like eastwards feasible for a whole class of people that it wasn't before so to the extent and i don't know what that extent is but to the extent that this move enables that i think it's an extremely powerful move by microsoft william so so yes so my take on this is i. Don't see how this makes sense at all like on in less. There's some systemic factor missing here and. i can't think of one. And i'll touch on it. But i i literally don't get this imagine of netflix's like net flicks thinks you should be able to just by you stranger things instead of like the whole beauty of this business model is it's the subscription model and subscriptions are way way better than one time purchases because even though you collect less upfront you walk. People into a habituated service new extract way more from them over their lifetime. And i thought it was kinda brilliant. That microsoft was not willing to compromise on this front here right and they were going to say no. No no we were all in on this game pass subscription model for games. That's our entire strategy. It's where we're crushing sony. It's where we're winning. We're gonna tire cloud gaming to that too and let's be honest. I think you would say based on the success of something like netflix. Which is all you can eat movies for. You know what ten bucks a month like. The logical thing is all. You can eat games for ten bucks a month. Now my only reservation here. So i i don't get this unless and here's the unless unless there is a systemic factor. Which is the reality is unlike net flicks where people will binge-watch thirty seasons of the greatest cake. Factory are making up an show. I don't know right like other than that. Whatever or like of the greatest season nineteen of like storage hunters bargain kings. Like you know. Like like i either by the way of real shows. The race tightening right here knocked off storage wars. No i think is unless it's unlike that where it kind of the the padded back catalogue really matters right because people will en- gaming it's like what do i wanna play this month. You know cyberpunk. That's the only thing i wanna play. This month and cpr is saying and against everyone might be a bad example convenience but you take that as a stand in for big marquis game of this quarter right and the publisher big marquee game in this quarter is saying. Nah i don't have to buy into your subscription model. People will give me sixty dollars directly. I'm not gonna put it in your ten dollars fifty dollars. Twenty dollar game pass. I'm giving away Revenue right and so maybe if that is the issue behind cloud gaming that its adoption driven by marquee titles. Maybe that is why phil spencer thinks it needs to be carved out because they can't get the things in the height that would justify a subscription for you because the stuff you really want only get sold single sir but even if that is the case even if that is the case my response to microsoft is then do what netflix did and put the mushed watch stuff in the pipe yourself. Right like netflix. Had this problem which is okay. Well the really good shows people don't wanna put into a ten dollar subscription bag so they made their own really good shows right and that works and that got their subscription revenue model humming even faster. So it's like microsoft. You can do this. You have an amazing sweet of games to prime the pipe yourself just put one of your own titles in there or the suite of amazing bethesda properties just acquired so even it doesn't make a lot of sense to me but in general it doesn't make any sense it. I'm going to push back on that a little bit. I actually think it's a great move all explain. Why so if you look at you know. The difference in microsoft and netflix is the big advantage. Microsoft has that. There is a historical precedent. That games cost about sixty bucks. So if you're charging people less than sixty dollars a month you're kind of making the statement that people are going you know purchase and paying for like one. What sixth whatever. The math is of a game each month. But if i look at my steam library you know there are definitely games like serum facts. Oreo where i haven't amount of hours that i am not going to announce on the stream on them but every other game i have. Is you know seven hours. Fifteen hours sixteen hours. I probably play about one or two games a month in that i move on. I think about pretty normal. Amer in that respect to the to the extent that people are like that i think microsoft probably stands to increase revenue pretty substantially this way. But as you think people will sign we'll buy games individually bread instead of signing up for the subscription exactly. Yes ye- like. Look phil spencer argument here just to be clear i think. And he's not here. So i'm putting words in his mouth but his argument here is we want to get x. Cloud to the masses in other words the ability to stream games from microsoft servers to your device right we want to bring this to the masses and potentially the fifteen dollars a month subscription is too much of a of a gate and so if we can offer something where you you you can still stream games and it costs us zero dollars and subscription fees but you just by the game. You're probably going buy anyways and still allow you to stream it remotely. Then you know. Maybe that's something i look. I was a big fan and have been a big fan of xbox game. Pass big time right. My view is this is the best subscription product in the gaming world today By far i think microsoft had a clear vision strategy. They want it to be the netflix of gaming Like a buffet style. All you can eat. And tying in their ex cloud product with that to me was just the icing on the cake right. It was not was not the cake in its entirety was. Just here's another bonus for you guys right. if you subscribe. You can play these games anywhere. To by the way phil i think here is. Maybe he's distraught by getting beaten so badly by the playstation five this honestly. They've lost me on this. Because stadia fundamentally this is the stadium business model right by all your games. You're locked into stadia. you have to play them on. Stadia will stream them. But you still have to play them on stadia and stadia. There's no one who's you can't push back on. This stadium is a failure and most likely my guests at some point in the next year or two. We'll get shut down. We will not hear about stadium anymore. So i don't know why microsoft would want to copy fail vice model when they had was so good when google ever ever shut down a service aggressively marketed. To count is also. We'll add each other on google. Plus right right. We still have our archives copy of that. But i just i don't get it right like you have to have it to me. This is arrogance in some ways at its finest. Which is we think we can go. Do what google couldn't do when you know. The i think's stadium failed. Because it's a bad product fundamentally but it was also a bad business model. Never made sense to go pay seventy dollars for a game and be locked into stadiums ecosystem and have to play your game there. I think the beauty of game pass was all you can eat. You get the benefit of the cloud. There's no sixty dollar game. You can still go by a sixty dollar. Xbox game one's stopping you. i don't know why it needs to be tied to x. cloud in that way explicitly about. Why don't like this is like. This is an ongoing service on the part of the game seller. Right like you buy the game on microsoft's cloud and then microsoft never has to do anything true right like they have to continue to run code type data. Do and potentially is we've seen. It's actually maybe more expensive than you would think to do. Cloud gaming that the provider such yet one more reason why. I'm like why this is fixed up front sale because the horizontal discs work is a summer sales. Microsoft is literally done. They gave you the desk. You have the hardware. They don't have much ongoing responsibility for you. Hear did you hear. This is a consistent service and the subscription model neatly. Closes it off because the answer is we give you the services long as you pay not this weird And the way get around and as you probably have to go into it but like it's will will you bring up a great point but let me give you. I think the number one reason why this is a bad idea. It's who is who are these services targeted at primarily. This is your hardcore gamer. Right these are more casual gamers. Even you know the next up. Step up from casual something between casual and hardcore right and they're not like for the most part. The promise of of cloud gaming is that it brings gaming to the masses right and to bring gaming to the masses to my mind it needs to be dead. Simple game pass is dead simple right you buy an xbox you sign up for ten bucks a month you can play all the games you want periods easy right now. It's you could sign up and pay ten dollars or you could go now. The messaging gets confusing and again. This is where i think. Most of these cloud services have failed. They wanna go after casual gamers. But they're fundamentally quite complex to understand and and this is where they fall apart for me. Microsoft had something really great. I don't know why phil spencer trying to fuss with it now. I mean unless there's something we don't know about like you said actually like phil. I think those incredibly smart guy riley. He's always an amazing job. Soft right there could be external factors about the licensing fees associated with is. Just make it not not profitable to do it enough. Maybe maybe the reality is. It's a forty dollars a month. Subscriptions riot profitably. And that just doesn't make a lot of sense. You'd rather pay sixty bucks a game. I mean we don't without the underlying there are unknowns. We don't know. But yeah i would. I would go back to like an comes. Can sorry it happens. Every i'm going to hold out my book one time and say like i have a theory. Which is the evolution of business models you can chart as the gaming industry has grown. We've figured out ways to move from single purchaser recurring revenue and the big. I jumped we had. There was boxed copy to subscription and ammos drove. And i feel like we're now in that same model for in that simone is for bundled services. We've now realized we can reinvent the product offerings for bundles. And we kind of got bundled gaming sales with like what's that store that does discounts all the time i'm with you buy a wholesome right like of invented that model and we're like oh this is surprisingly good. You can bundle things. It is counting. It works it's the you know the bogo offer for our for our business and now we're getting to subscription bundling were getting scaling maturing. Why would you go a step act. And unbundle and unsubscribe it's like walking backwards through business model evolution time anyway. I like it. Let's let's touch on another piece of microsoft like speaking of google cancelling products. This was microsoft canceling a product. Here you know. After after cancelling mixers ashley And releasing the very successful now. Msn sports hub microsoft. They're going to sponsor the podcast so they shut down microsd minecraft earth here right airbase game. It was supposed to go head to head with like the pokemon goes of the world. Obviously the article here says it's because of covid people are spending more time indoors. Anyone think this short-sighted look it's not specific sports related but mine crafts a huge property right one of the largest probably one of the best investments microsoft has ever made. Why shutdown minecraft earthier guys. So i'm going to be the debbie downer here so i spent a lot of time talking to facebook Associates about the success of oculus rift. Man i have a feeling that this did not catch on. It was not profitable and i don't i mean listen covid listening to you talk about the overwatch league and how they could have used as an excuse. Me has nailed it. This was the convenience like just wash away right well for all. Forget about this thing. We try was the virus. I completely agree brad. I think it's probably the underlying economics of this game didn't perform The minecraft brand is a brand that needs to be protected right. Because it's a marquee brand. This is not the sort of weak product extension. You leave out there just to hold a trademark or something you know what i mean like you got a prune it and focusing the brand where it wants to go Like y'all i think. This is a convenient excuse to get rid of it now. It's sad because it was a good idea lake like let's pause for a second in saito ourselves. I thought it was a sweet idea that you could like minecraft fields vary extensible to realize they are simulator like us but you know i guess it turns out. It's really difficult to build big elaborate structures with a real life. They are thing. It's much better to floating around on your home keyboard so here we i mean i feel terrible. 'cause i literally have friends that work on holland's and like let me just go call the five people i i know with the hololens and see how they feel about it read. This is an interesting little bit of attention. But are you bearish on and bullish on. Vr is it d- are you sort of bullish now more. Bearish like now and bullish later. Like what is your view to thing so let me let me let me ask you that question too. I i have a really interesting demographic slice of gamers right. Like i've got about ten thousand people who i know everything about and i will tell you that we cannot even get enough people even if you do a mixed. Vr normal game to tournament like. There's just not enough console the ad it's like what i generally people is however badly you think the are is doing. It's doing worse than that However i would like your thoughts on lake this this really interesting thing. I haven't seen happen very often in these sports. Where technology has actually moved faster than culture. 'cause like clearly this is going to take off like if you has used. Vr headset before. They're amazing. I don't wanna get anywhere else. But they haven't people just don't embrace it. I don't think they believe in. So i don't feel the same way about the. Our legacy is interesting. But like i i definitely agree the technology whereas night. There's my oculus get everything. I want to hold up is like right off of by the way for the podcast listeners. We do have video for the sometimes. So when i referred pointing something or holding it up like i'm actually because we when we taped the podcast we can all see each other so sorry just for but like everything i wanna reach for today to hold up his right too far away on camera but i do think there's no question that from where was five years ago two zero is today. It's like night and day. The experience is incredible and playing something like super hot in an oculus. Quest is really is awesome. Exactly what i want. Yeah it's so. I also think though very strongly this before that were still not quite there yet. On the tech side that the very best fanciest games have played. Tethered and tethered sucks. A surprising amount. Like it is like you think. Tethered is that bad until you actually try to gain properly tethered in you. Spin around and get tangled in the court. And you're like ritz. You out of the game and the other thing is we still haven't solved movement in vr games. And i'm very upfront about that. Like i think like why super great is because they fence soon in our area and you only move in that area. And so i. I don't know review the taxes there but that it does surprise me that there hasn't been more of a marquis. Vr title for competitive player eastwards or something. The tech that is there is good enough to have something. Anchoring right and it feels weird that like deet sabre should be our most twitched. Ar vr experience. Right have you played echo arena. I mean i would bet you. A year from echo arena is like another major resorts title. That's really cool i. I'll take a look at that i. I'm not aware of it. But i do think the the explanation behind your data there is that. Vr is still fundamentally cost. Prohibitive prohibitive for most people right like oculus has made huge headway into fixing that right like a quested to ninety. Nine is the most affordable. Vr has ever been. And i think that is one of the inflection points. Vr is going to sort of hit on. Its way to sort of success. And dominance. Because i do my fundamental belief. Is we all end up on holiday someday or ready player. One kind of universal like vr ultimately bullish for the future but like cost. I think has been one of the biggest factors in the same way. I've been in tech for twenty years. Now if you if you asked me. I was telling someone. That's the other day about three d printing even five years ago a reasonably. Good three d. printer that you could put in your house would have cost you thousands of dollars right today. You can put one for two hundred bucks. And so i think the vr's getting there. But i think the reason why you don't see the big numbers yet is cost first and foremost and also just think to williams point. The mobility hasn't been solved. We don't have a killer app yet. Right there's no game that's like. Oh my god i gotta go by quest because i need to play that right like we don't have that yet But i think and and like. I like we've had things that tried to be there like we had the the eve online. You know pilots now that was at launch and then recently we had half alex which l. Let's at my time played on that. It's like five hours like an i really like. I got my oculus quest to play half life. Alex and it is my one of my lease play fiar. Titles the like up for sim racing. You can't do it without like you. haven't you haven't done race well okay. Okay sim race as their Microsoft stay right or now yes but before we move on. I want to say two words fastest growing area of gaming any sports today guys is not the are betting its gambling. It's booming. you don't need to be a profit like me to know that we had. The ceo of a company called these sports. Entertainment group on the podcast. There they're nasdaq-listed they're fully regulated there in the east sports betting and entertainment space the ticker symbol is really love. What they're doing from a strategy standpoint so if you're a family office and investor an institutional investor investor of any kind really and. You're looking to play any sports highly. Recommend taking a look at the company east sports entertainment group dot com ticker symbol. Gm b. l. Having said that. I'm not giving you a investment advice. Here it's just my opinion. I'm not an investment advisor. I'm not selling stock in the company. Make sure you do your own homework. Seek advice from a licensed professional. If you're going to invest we do have a final microsoft story. And i know william. You're excited about this. It's kind of the most lighthearted story of all of them and fundamentally here. Here's here's the headline that caught my attention. Nintendo executives laughed when microsoft tried to acquire the gaming company Bit of history here. The article says before they released the xbox microsoft approached several gaming companies so that they could have exclusives to compete against a sony they approached. Ea to buy them. They approached nintendo to buy them. They approached square inex- to buy them. They approached midway to buy them in the end. The only one they bought was bungee and for the halo exclusive years later bethesda took the bait but supposedly a nintendo executives laughed the microsoft guys out of the room because they had absolutely no interest in in being acquired william. I know you know you. You specifically have quite a bit of expertise in in gaming in japan and japanese e sports japanese companies. And why did microsoft get left out of the room here. What was the. Did anyone know that microsoft was being this aggressive from a a an acquisition standpoint. That's the more interesting article is to me is my sense of the history was like microsoft goes into console Recognize they need one. Solid first party buys bungee. It's play to limit and this speaks to a much more. Concerted strategy of locking up tons of first party exclusives that didn't work and in reality. The experts launching a position of weakness right dated like tried to. I thought that was a very interesting kind of nuance on the history. That i had. I lived it very differently as a gamer. And by the way kudos to microsoft because they had some amazing. I party exclusives in the original xbox. It wasn't just unggie. They add like ninja. Guidon like that still one of the greatest third person action games of all time interesting from the world though where they owned a nintendo midway squaring eggs. Yeah the biggest thing for me though. Is it sort of. It definitely speaks nintendo's culture right that they just don't see themselves as mentally occupying the same market as these other companies. And i i really would start there right. I think they see themselves as where i would argue. That nintendo doesn't even really see itself as a gaming company so much as it sees itself as nintendo right like it was a family owned business. I think tell relatively recently right like aristo still a lot of familial control in there still is going to be your something i i should. I need to know more about that. I don't jack right like i. I actually should have a better answer. That i do for this but like any if you think about how. They consistently position themselves now in every console generation. It's a con- ecclesiastic right. They've refused to participate in arms race of you know highest horse our right. They've gone for. Unique input methods and features. Dave refused to embrace the sort of cross platform launch key titles and products that is defined many other publishers in the space even if they their own gain manufacturing right they've abandoned pc support market in a pretty significant way. We're not they've done a lot of different things right but i. I also surprised because like we. Can you be interested if microsoft to buy your business. And it's all microsoft camp pay like a big company but particularly microsoft at the point of the original xbox before mobile had really become a thing and become a competitive venue to to may be reduced. Pc share like they were at they were like even a reasonable. Yeah editor they were so yeah. The interesting thing for me here is is there sort of like a business than i was. Love like i get asked a question by investors a lot like should. I be playing any sports. Should i put money in the space. When is the right time. There's a great business lesson here. Which is investment. Hindsight's twenty twenty right. When you look back at microsoft managed to make all these acquisitions we're talking about potentially some of the best maybe in the history of acquisitions that these game publishers have become so massively valuable today and probably microsoft could have paid for them back then would have been peanuts relative to where we are. Now you know those would have turned out to be some of the best acquisitions ever and and this is sort of how i feel about the broader investing in east sports market. Today which is the best. Time is now the longer you eight like the the numbers are only going up and getting bigger. There's no this is not going in the other direction. And so you know. There's there's an interesting lesson here from for investors who listened to the podcast. You don't want to end up being microsoft situation and end up paying having to pay bethesda money twenty years later. That's true because what i guarantee you. Whatever they were union acquiring could acquired for at the time is orders of magnitude fractional. What today yeah. it's true. And that's also why i think you know. Paul and i are often both bad cop on the price of things in the industry right. We're always like it's too expensive. The burn is too high blah blah blah. You don't get a lot of pollen on this ever pushing back against the acquisitions. Even when they're multiples of a star wars franchise which again my favorite thing because they pay the dividends. Like if you overpay in the short term a little the long term potential is so good and the synergies of having ip collectively help of bundling. If you will is so good that you can probably figure out how to get your acquisition value down the law bred specifically in this article. They talk about in twenty. Twenty microsoft approached nintendo for a partnership where they would produce hardware nintendo would produce software. Do you think that would have been a win win. What i'm curious if you why you think maybe they don't turn that all twenty twenty really. Yeah it's an article so get some microsoft's produced the hardware. The i'll read the article specifically it says. Microsoft reportedly met again with nintendo in january. Twenty twenty to pitch the company on a joint venture. The pitch was that nintendo wasn't good at hardware but with strong in the game. Business with mario and other brands microsoft said they would take care of the hardware. Nintendo decline the joint venture. So microsoft is saying the gameboy companies fatter hardware true. What no but like did he fair right like this is what i mean about a different perspective. I think micro. Oxy's themselves is designing the like the highest horsepower per dollar efficient unit. And that to them is winning the space. That's their mentality. And nintendos mentality is totally different it's we're gonna produce hardware with novel functionality. To enable new areas of differentiated game design and to make sure that the sorts of games we produce. Can't port easily be copied on other platforms right. That's why they go for novel. Control seems like the we are touched with nintendo ds. Their whole thing has been carving out a creative moat for themselves so it just shows two ships passing in the night they have very different. Definitions of what hardware is supposed to deal with the breezy point. William you're if you're microsoft walking into nintendo. Maybe the best pitch is. Hey you guys aren't good hardware. ouch i would. There's better than telling them that. Their business doing also is now listeners. Don't open pitch with you. suck at. I'm i'm going to go to microsoft now. Maybe like guys is we all know. You've struggling operating systems pitch. But you're very good at tablets so you make the tablets guys. This was fun. That wraps up. This week's podcast. Brad thank you so much for being on the show. 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259: Esports Tier List 2020 Edition

The Center Ring esports podcast

2:05:33 hr | 10 months ago

259: Esports Tier List 2020 Edition

"Welcome to episode two, hundred, Fifty, nine of the center ring presented by off. This is going to be best episode ever. We have a packed Yikes of the week. It was a busy week for Yikes. So thank you east sports community for that, and also it's a big one folks. Hearts will be broken tears of joy and sadness will be shed. A New I are bearing the cross that no other podcast or show is brave enough to do. And that is we are going to rank the e sports in an official, tea CR. s through F- none of this tier one, tier two, crap. We're getting down to the nitty gritty specifics. So hold on your butts because it is going to be controversial show I promise you that. But before we get to any of that fun stuff, let me tell you about the show sponsor with altarpiece sports. If you've listened to whether or not. Here and there but if you're a new listener, let me tell you something. 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So you're too late on that one, but pick yourself up one, hundred, one burglar city. And you can do all that follow them on twitter. Ultimate and their website, all e sports dot. com. You're listening to. Okay. So let's start. Hello. Everybody. Hello and welcome back to another edition of the center. Ring. Presented by Ault Aka. Aka. Your favorite sports podcast. This is episode two, hundred, Fifty, nine, hundred to live and or prerecorded from an undisclosed location the date. What is the date August second twenty twenty whereas a year gone and the time eight, forty, nine, he? Follow us on twitter at the center ring. Our website tea CR. Has All the other links you'll need including discord youtube everything there. what else? What else? Has It. I'm your host Tim. Avi You're captain for this journey into each sports alongside me as always. Is My best friend my brown friend. It's a new CH- what's up? Pumped for the show today did the tearless has been? It's been requested. We've talked about it and it's something that just has to be done. It's time to finally put our stamp. On it I mean it really we got. Opinions that need to be said. So we'll get into that. Here. We haven't done a tearless since the call of duty franchise tear list as far as brand brandon goes. So and that was a wild success. A lot of controversy that tearless caused controversy people love tearless. I'll be curious to see if our tearless call of duty. How it ranked up with how they performed we'll do that for the the champs preview or we do it after the champs if you like. good to see where they're at. A little disappointed with the you wouldn't let me add artifacts to the list so. We're not really on talking terms right now that's a callback that's a callback. First off you need to be you have to have a player based to be an east sports so. Listen. Not every big, not every game, a developer makes despite the developers homerun. And I think we've learned that it's almost like when you realize your parents aren't perfect like I feel like everyone who's You know maybe twenty five and up has had that moment in life when you're like oh I've parents don't know everything in life and. Maybe, not always have the best advice but up until like that certain point in life, you're like my parents know everything. That was my moment with artifact involve. Like, Oh, you just realized you don't. It's not all gold. Lake up until that point valve had only made wildly fun in successful Games, and then artifact happened not so much. They tried hype hopping on that. Trading Card train an interest did not go well, not at all not not only think it's still there is it oh, that's a good question I. think it is still there from what I understand though. From the few times that I have looked at it is that they are going to completely remodel it like yeah. So just redeploy maybe it's still on there. It's still twenty bucks but from what I understand is valve is planning on just. redoing the whole thing. Yeah, like. Re rethinking their way to do it, and then you know the sad thing is, is the game wasn't even that bad like I enjoyed it from a card game standpoint it was the way they modeled you to get the cards. It's just you know. Well, it's like a traditional card game right like I collect. I play yu-gi-oh and pokemon cards in real life. I understand I am conditioned to know that I'm GonNa get a booster pack and that's just the way it works right now you don't have to do that in online format right like you don't have to. You have the luxury of having other options and that's what you know. Just the business point did not work out for artifacts r.i.p artifact. Sadly. You did not make even to be on the list for eastport wasn't a tear for. No No No. You are on Tier Q at that point. So sorry artifact. But maybe maybe when you come back, maybe maybe hit us up on that that back around let's before we get into the tier list. Let's hop into some aches the week because we have a handful to get to, and then we'll go over the tearless. We'll give our criteria and and everything there. All right. So I will start with my yikes which I'm kind of flip flop. Yeah. I didn't think I was going to I, don't know where I'm at with this right now but it came out earlier in the week and it was always rumored and then it came out a little bit more solid that. Halo infant at first off, it started with Halo Infinite. Might not have multiplayer at release. Did. You hear that rumor? Yeah like. Debunk pretty quick. It was debunked pretty quick and then it turned into while they're not gonNA have a multiplayer. Beta and so then people were freaking out about that right which that's where I'm on the fence about you know. I understand we're not having a Beta bad but I can also point you in two hundred other games that have had Betas that still ended up. So they're tracking. Then you have an opportunity to blame the developer in that sense right? If a developers not taking feedback in the bed Beta. Games still launches as a failure. You sit there and you blame the developed and also with Halo Master chief the launch for that the master chief collection that is was an absolute nightmare and I'm not talking about for the. Launch which. Wasn't the greatest in the sense of the aim died very quick with the aim assist issues but the consul locked was awful I mean that's why you never saw a halo three year to eastport seen pick back up when that collection dropped that everyone thought because it was horrendous at launch for a good while. So that's why everyone's like hey. You guys share. You don't WanNa come back and maybe do a Beta on this. So there's that and then they dropped out that it was going to be free to play. multiplayer which I again some people are like Oh that's not a good sign. How's that not a good sign I? Know this is the week and we don't hype things up in the week but I thought that was kind of Nice isn't free multiplayer was definitely good news because the player base is going to expand drastically because of it I mean just tell you what warzone isn't the number one game of the summer because it's good. Like free definitely helped. Combination of both right. There's aspects of it that make fun be our but yes, being free allowed it to sky rocketed numbers compared to where it would have been if you had to spend sixty bucks for for cod. So yeah. The the free to play good news multiplayer Beta. To, me, that's a little nerve wracking because we've seen the launch on I'm talking purely on the PC side there's a lot of things that people are asking to be fixed, right? Yeah and this is looks like a way of hiding a little bit to me because there is no point in doing it. I mean you only get feedback from these things you can even limit the pool right young if you don't WanNa, make an open Vein like most games do nowadays limit your your player pool but still get some sort of feedback from the community and to not do that look like a better be good on lunch. That's all I. can say right it better be up to par because people will walk away from a free game. They're not paying that sixty dollars anymore too. So that's the other half of it is if you don't like it people move on very quickly. Yeah, what hundred percent one, hundred percent especially in today's world right where it's like, okay. The socks I'm just GONNA. Go right back to the other warzone whatever it is at the time playing it. One of the other hundred games you have in your library. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Go for it. Yeah my my lights comes from topic. We had last week and it was revolving the sponsorships with Nemo. The Saudi. Arabian, organization owned by the. Prince. Mohammad. All Tim. US should finish it off but yeah, anyways. Good news could use for most people out there riot terminated their sponsorship, listen to the show and terminated alive. According, were in our twitch chat talking to us about it. As we were discussing, it canceled the partnership right as a show was ending Tim last premiere. The other silent partner in this whole deal here has retained their sponsorship as far as we all know. Haven't discussed. It have all of the sudden become. The most twitter active organization I've seen you're not wrong about that. In just having acknowledged at all. To. Me That's like a I mean. I'm shocked that there's not a big reaction about it because the way riot was treated is that they were the devil in that situation right? Like nobody was not being vocal in that instance but we still have blast one of the three premier tournament organizers counterstrike, right? Like you would say their top three because they actually have a a league that's active throughout half the year at least. So yet have acknowledged. It haven't said anything stiller a partner with them in for the way it looks to me is they won't address. Just GonNa, let it. must've been damned good for him. They are. This is off season for them, right? So twitter should be Kinda slow for an off season league. They are blasting tweets like once every ten minutes it feels like they are bearing their partnership tweet with what well, how do we decide to say it? Nemo Nemo Nemo. We'll. Say Memo. Like. I. Don't even know what was maybe it was neon neon is what it was. You put in Nemo, which is selling the name of finding Nemo definitely. Don't appreciate its neon what I would know how. NEON. Stick with Neon, we'll stick with me up but yes, I can't help. But notice that blast is just like. Looking the other way it's like they're doing that whole thing when you look at someone at the same time and you're is connected, then you click away and act like you were looking past them. That is what blast is doing right now to everyone else in the sports world when they're like, Hey, blasts and the what someone. Say My day what what's going on here. And I will also say this I'll call people out to There were people in the community that were much more vocal. About riot partnering up with them than they are right now that blast hasn't backed off one hundred percent there are people. Community that were ready to torch riot. And with blast like silent audit just as much. And what was like? Tell. You who I was impressed by the situation was Pansy Kaz Pansy is a a CFO Cassar. She's more of a freelancer than any of these other castors right? 'cause most of them are tied to a league. So they're not really freelance anymore at that point for the most part, they have a secure job not with blasted in most cases in she spoke out publicly against it after this whole thing was. Starting to feel like it was dying down I. Know a scoots came out also has mentioned it on his twitter but you know props to her for stepping up and saying something but I think there needs to be more of a following here. Yeah. I get the get these big talking heads that are in CS that you know don't hesitate to talk about any other sport or league out there and You know point the blasters blast. No unintended. Also I. Love Me Pansy I. Love Me Some Pansy. Fun Fact. We had a little love relationship one year dream. Hack Austin you ran into her She I saw her distance I. I yelled Pansy I. Love You and she said, I love you too. And you know at the time I was married to who knows where that relationship could have gone but I would like to think we would have worked out but she went on to better things I went on to. Better, things, and that's that's sometimes life sometimes life kids. You don't always end up with the one that you're meant to. Wish my wife game like her. That would be awesome. It would be an interesting dynamic, but someone has to take care of our children and the that's the wives. That's the wise. I have another speaking of womanizing women. I have another Yikes for you and this one is so I don't WanNa say sweet because taking advantage of women scenario and stuff is never a happy moment in life. But the White Knight himself the East Sports. SIMP-. who he calls himself that that's not mean being a jerk he calls himself the sympathy sports. slasher got busted for asking a girl and you probably know more about this story than I do. But asking a girl for her friends info to hit on her and in return he says that he could then get her job for the Florida mayhem the bad. Part of the. Whole situation right is offering. A potential job opportunity for for information on another girl. Now on the girl, all those tweets that came out I don't care about that. Shoot your shot dude like good for you You know he had the ball go forward in. That's awesome. Most people don't even do that. Right. So that's fine. You shoot your shot whenever you have an opportunity to no problem. There is the exchange for like the potential job opportunity that doesn't sit well with with most people I think right again, this is one of those things that's Kinda feels like it's being. Buried I don't think it needs to be a huge story, but it's also not like being talked about as much as it. I thought it would be. Yeah, right. If someone else I feel like it. Definitely we talked about a lot more because because he would have tweeted it out. Yeah. He would have tweeted it out. He would have made jokes he would have made. It seemed like they just asked for a blowjob for a number, right? But because it's slasher and he's the one who breaks the news. It's not going to go anywhere because he's normally the one stoking the fire also, it doesn't help. That the one person who broke this story was probably like the one person on twitter that is skis, IUS slasher, and that's came star. So that doesn't help the fact they're like when Kim star is the one going against you look Kim Star could be like, Hey, guys guess what Hitler is still alive and he wants to do World War three again, and then people would still probably take Hitler side just because it was keen star who broke the news. Keith came stars a piece of work dude that guy something like you said, you know the story coming from him yet definitely does help helpless his fan base probably doesn't give a shit. About slasher in his situation slasher small time compared to the people go after yeah. Akeem star is going after. Celebrities in that sense. Bad look more than anything I don't think anything came of it. In the sense of getting her job or anything that. I, don't really care for anything does come from just any time that I can point out that slasher might not be this white knight that he paints himself to be I'm going to take just as his shot. I'M GONNA shoot my shot and I'll bring it up on the show. You, do you. This is your show baby. Do what you need to do. Appreciate it. I appreciate. What's what's the last guy slash like? Judy which hasn't really been in Yikes, in quite some time I feel this number amateur call of duty seen there's a group out of indeed was running through the. I'm trying to remember the American gaming network. That's what it is. was supposed to host a land event this weekend in Indy and obviously covid still being thing is still going on. They were said, they were GONNA cancel it activision and reached out a toll. We're moving this to an online event. This is GonNa be an event. Don't worry Nolan here. Come to find out video surfaces from the event center. That they organized in the sense of. The center that they were hosting the event that they are saying that they were not involved. Okay. They're saying they did not help out but there's video of actual tournament being played like you see five on five cod happening there mean. Very clearly, the organizer I think was also spotted at the event or one of one of the guys or whatever that doesn't vote well, moderators or something where there in in viewing. So just a stupid I mean, look a don't put East sports in a negative light that way right 'cause people I feel like media would pick that up and be like Oh look at these. Gamer it would just become a one, hundred per se because of these idiots doing that. So just an embarrassing look easy I. Eick's congratulations American gaming network. Welcome to the show. American anything in East Sports. What was that other one? The American? East. Sports Association. What was the one prime? Federation we the Official Federation. We met them at. Like three years ago and I remember thinking myself who are these guys and then sure enough a month. Later, we're just getting blasted by everyone in sports for. They tweeted something. I don't know but Yeah that's a tough one you know. That's a to put on a land event in the midst of Cova and then claim that no no. It wasn't us they let themselves into the event center and ran a successful tournament. So It can happen maybe champs can go inland than if they can do it maybe if only American gaming network was in charge of champs than champs could still be online. All right. So. Let's get into. The, the moment everyone has been waiting for the official T. E. Sports tear lest now much like we did with our cod branding tearless, this is going to be A. Through F tear, this is not tier one tier two tier three but afterwards, we'll probably break it down to say, okay these brackets would kind of fall under tier one the reason I didn't want to just do a generic tier, one, two and three. Because I felt like for discussion standpoint like tier one and each tier. So broad right Okay. But when you put a microscope onto tier one, then where do those games fall right? Who are the elite of the elite right? They fall amongst like you want to rate them against each other right. We know there like a handful that could fall into your one, but I wanna see how did those stack up against one another? Yeah. Yup that's why I wanted to kind of break it down into more of a s through F-, tear the reason this kind of all kick-started first off some listener suggested it to us after we mentioned that cod was a tier one east a couple episodes ago we were like you know probably start a treated like one also. Maybe a two weeks ago. Now, we didn't end up talking about on the show, but the East Sports Observer, I believe tweeted out, they were tweeting out like their first quarter second quarter lists of eastport according to the viewership numbers. Now, the reason this a new didn't really talk about it is because in the fine print of this, it said using twitch. Like well, that's not really fair because sure enough. What Games all fell under the tier three category it just so happened to be every game that is officially not on twitch for their sports side like cod and watch and wow, all the blizzard stuff that moved over to youtube. Just. So happen to also be tier three. So didn't really also like good lists lie event and there's many other factors outside of just the viewing audience on on twitter that. We think come into play here for sure. Yeah, absolutely. So some of the factors when I was thinking this up and we have some if you're in twitch chat feel free if we're not getting, we have a lot of games to get to. We have like twenty three on the list so far and already some honorable mentions that we thought of after I made the list. If you have some game, an ear inn twitch chat feel free to drop it in chat if it's not already on the list will we'll get to it. but as far as when my my method of thinking with this, a new church is. Some factors that go into hand is developer involvement Kay. How involved is the developer in the scene? Is it? Is it the entire scene? Is it? You know? Do they help out in some way or the other I think that plays a big part the overall viewership breakdown, right? Are. We seeing one hundred thousand are we seeing twenty thousand? How in the big stages? Does the game perform including live audience in those scenarios that plays a part of viewership not just that onstream Attendants. Venues and whatnot absolutely. Yup. That matters does matter. Oh ultimately our opinion I you know you and I are going to discuss. We did not discuss these ahead of time so. We'll break down we'll figure out a way we will compromise. With our opinion and figure out what's the best place to put some of these So there's that because I'm sure we disagree on some of them I mean there's twenty three games and me and you have a different background in eastport. So I'm sure we'll have different thoughts on some of these. and also. I think not as a whole because currently these are I. Think we are we're gonNA tear these as current correct. So like Like I think, legacy does play a part in the rankings obviously, if you're has a huge history behind it that will help but for me, it's not like. Maybe like a one notch bump yeah. Situation is not going to be like a will this game was. Great in its heyday but fifteen years ago like unreal tournament. Unreal Tournament, the perfect one, and it's not on the list because it just doesn't even have an e sports scene but That's a perfect one right unreal tournament. Painkiller do we remember that Game Painkiller? Great in. It's time not a-list right now. So That's it. I think for the most part what we say when we put them in there, it might not stick. We can have the power to adjust it. You know we put something in a and we WANNA. Bump it up to Asir be later on we can do that. So you know if we put something somewhere and we we decided don't freak out and ultimately know that you know you're probably going to get upset with some of these. Sure. So Let's get down to it here. Let me pull this up here. So. I have the list in front of me a niche. Get One last thing pulled up on my side here. How did you WANNA, start. Like I said we have twenty three games we can go about it. However, we want that's not a huge deal on however you WANNA do it. I think you just pluck I wouldn't go in the necessarily the order that is just sitting in just kind of poem from the hat type thing. Okay I don't think the needs to be like I. Don't. I don't WanNa make it focus where we just do FDIC and then we come to F. PS and then we go to you know mobiles I. Think we should just. Kind of free float a little bit, throw them off the list, and then we can start to stack them and move them around if we think we need to alright. Alright. So, then let's go with the first one. Did you see do you have the list in front of you? IDEA. All right. Let's start. Let's start with this one. Let's start with rainbow six rainbow six this particular siege because that's just the current one. That's actually a tough one. That's why. Because this is a good one to start. With rainbow, there's so many positives to the game right that make you WANNA rate it. I. Think Incredibly High Right. There's great fan attendance I think stream numbers for the big event. Fairly good ripe for at least the invitational like six invitational and things like that. Like a draws huge numbers there. It has a legacy. To it. And that we WANNA talk about developing your action this is one of the games that has really been elevated because of the developer. In this case, because this was a game that at one point I felt like was on the brink of of the itself in kind of dying out it felt like it was losing popularity in they made some massive changes to the game they listened to the player base in here we are in I think six falls in to me. I mean I would almost say like be to a or somewhere in between there. Maybe we we take your thoughts on it and see if we can find a happy medium I don't think it's as Tier I. Think I really am reserving that for. The elite of the the best of the best there. But I do think it deserves to be in a upper-echelon tier. I agree I think for me the only thing holding it back on the eight year. The only thing holding it back on the here is we don't see a lot of hype. Around, the the minor tournaments, right? We a lot of the hype for Siege Rainbow General come from. either. The finals right or the invitational write them yet they're champs. That's the only thing that holds me back from putting it in a tear. Maybe it will get bumped up later on when we see what falls with be right because if an well, it's better than this one. So yeah, let's bump it up to a because I. I don't think it deserves to be any lower them be yeah I'm okay with throwing it in be right now I do have a feeling as this list goes on I think they might make their way up but I'm OK with settling them and beat at least start with. All right let's get into that. F-. Different drawn though Apex Legend for me this is a tough one in the sense of it. All depends on when this we had we done this a year ago they would have fallen in a completely different category. They had the massive player base, the massive views on twitch. Twitch rivals and everything. It was popular. Right had all the popular streamers wanting to play it. It does have the developer support behind it. Oddly enough it was like one of the few games at EA decided to truly support when it was all said and done part of the issue though is that I felt you know thing in life is striking when the iron is hot and they just waited too long to strike that. East sports iron it was by the time they were ready to really push their east sports scene and their league. People have already moved on like they waited too long to establish that. Yes. We are competitive e sport when it comes to the grand scheme of of everything else Still you know a popular game I still have friends that play it and I know that the League is still active. Even here with Arlington Sports Stadium down the street from us. Hope they host apex events all the time, but when comparing on an east sports level. I'm looking at the bottom half them. These. Early, these early ones are tough because you just don't know where the other chips are GonNa fall I personally. I would think I think a D. I put it in a d yeah. I was thinking CD also, and that's where I was at. It's not that makes it tough because we put. Siege in a be right and I think apex is a steep drop off from where rainbow. SIXES for all the reasons I think they waited way too long to develop their east sports scene I. Still Think they lacking in character development like not enough characters maps. You know like everything just felt a little slow in getting updated you know and then even when. They went to map like it wasn't really like universally loved and didn't have a map pool. It was just people like the one other map versus the new one you know it's not like had choices necessarily in. So yeah, like I just don't feel like it's ever really taken off. There's still a good player base still got a healthy player base it's not a dead game. and will do big updates right. On. Okay. With the derating. Again this is one of those that could maybe shift a little because it's like a title early on and there's other games that I know are also significantly. Behind you know even apex in. So I think a deer de tear is. Almost feels like being a little disrespectful tomb there. But I think they also kind of deserve it in that sense and again and I think the way the that's the only fault from. S The s through EF tier system like tier one, two and three. It's like even if you're in the third tier, it's like, okay well, you know that doesn't seem. An effort e like the worst that just probably means you're tier three eastport like I. would think just looking at it like this could change based on where we put things. But like ask like upper echelon like s through a maybe be is tier one right like S. A. is tier one B C might be tier two, and then d. e. is three and the F. is like you need how done like you're you're going to need help that's maybe that's maybe how visually that's a good way of. Putting it, it could change still broken down into what people would consider the tier system in the way we talk about. Yeah eastport by Tier One east for you Kinda hear that term so much right. So I think that is a good way to look at it like Sa. That's your one BC tier two and everything else kind of can float around in that tier three right? Right. So that's Kinda how I envisioned it that might change based on how put some of these games but we'll see we'll see. All right. Let's get the next game here're you WANNA pick one? Yeah let's go with. This is an interesting one that I saw on here. Let's go to war. Here's. Early. One. That's a tough one to pick early. But all right. All right. I'll tell you where my headset on this. Okay. So It gets knocked automatically for purely being like a a console F. PS. Limits your ability to be in a top tier right now let's go beyond that though that's not the only problem. This game has got a very small audience prize pools or nothing to really brag about the game feels dated in the sense that it not look just change from gears of war to gears of war right? You have very much the same which can also be. Okay. If you're is like one of the best thing counterstrike over fifteen years the game is is pretty much the same. Gears to me is gonNA fall low I just don't think. I think it's really hanging on by a lifeline. In for that reason like. A unthinking like e f tear like you said, if f tears a game that had called for help I, don't think gears is that far from really like needing something major happened they had a new game come out and I still don't hear about it. I mean I don't hear. There's one moment where I heard about the East sports I think you'd be watched matched together we did we do I think the finals last season we watched the finals. Yeah. Like a couple months back we stayed up and watched one of the you know the final matches and even then like I, remember the viewership numbers not being what you would want to see in a finals. You mentioned the prize Pool I. Do think they have like a million dollars or something for their finals? But that the price pool is so funny in sports because. And that's why that's not really a factor for me when it comes to this because. Two, three years ago, four years ago the price would have meant a lot right the price kind of set the bar on how important and how big an event was. Nowadays. Man. Seems like any any game out there can get a million dollar tournament any game can throw out a a million plus prize pool and then all of a sudden it's like, Hey, this is a big deal. So you know I don't know if prize pool no matter what unless you're like the TI or something I don't know if you can really Brag about your prize pool ever you know yeah CDL is to mill and I feel like that's kind of the next. Obviously Doda you know has has there but like it's just a I think years of war is Is Barely there we see a lot of oryx pullout. Yeah, it's on the brink of being irrelevant. I would say they're calling for help Tim Linda go ahead and give them like an F. Tier. So the only reason I would think not F- is because their their league is at least backed by the devs. So like they at least still care do you think that a is just a little bit better than gear or do you think apex is way far ahead of where gears in terms of eastport relevancy I would almost argue that May I I don't think they're if they're ahead of they're not that far ahead. Okay. I think he is probably where this settles is my guest Yeah Yeah I. D- I think it's just a really tough sell because I think APEC still has a potential future. Can't say the same for years I really think is just a game on the brink of of being nonexistent they'll play as long as they keep releasing a new one, but they're not gonna be like it's never going to get bigger than it is I don't believe they would really have to drastically change something for it to. To, gain an audience I think apex has the ability to. Put it that way I do I do think you're right on that like I don't think years is getting bigger anytime soon like you said, they recently came out with what was it gears five. Years five one and it was like a blip on the radar. And that even came out on the PC that a PC release and it's still just didn't even. Crack. The didn't change anything problem right? Like a new game comes out you don't feel like anything changed so. We can throw it in each year because there's probably some that I agree with fall below this. Mark Mark Mark. That might go to F Woolsey? We'll see. All. Right. I'll pick one here. Then one that might be F- we'll. See quake. Yeah. Like quake. Quake would have to fall into F-. Tear. Like we talked about games calling for help quake needs like eh needs the paddles dude like it's dead it's gasping for air. It's on its last breath in that. Sad I mean the champions way of the whole game I think the game is just broken right with the champions model for quake doesn't feel right to me. I think that John Laura is suffering as a whole There's so many reasons that this the viewership is low quake cons only big because it's a land we've been there several years in a row. I can tell you that people are not going there to necessarily watch the event like ninety percent of those people that are there are going for the land and they're playing games outside of quake of del they don't even make that equate. Type? Environment like when you walk in, you would have a hard time knowing other than looking at the stage that quake even being celebrated there anymore. So for me that that makes enough tears for. One hundred percent I won't argue with you here and to argue with myself on the gears. Point is the quake league does have Bethesda support right? So I, think though even with the developers for support for quake, it's just not there it's. Like you said everything I. Agree. Champions is a failed game. I think they kind of acted on it a little too late even at quake con where it's like the whole thing is named after quake you have people walking past the sports side the stage, right? You have people walking past the stage as these pros are playing. Even like what was it last year when the season kicked off, they were only pulling twelve hundred views like. It's it's in a bad state. They do know how to treat. You know what I almost want to bump them up to being tear just because of how they treat the press at those events all. That that's almost worthy of bumping them up five or six is not a reflection on the company. Yeah. Yeah. Like we she ate the way you guys treat us. We really really do that was awesome. The event that they hosted for us, but that was the best part. Of the event in. So that's not I. WANT IT TO BE F- No I want it to be. These are the Games we grew up on right unreal quake. These arena shooters I wish it could be higher. It's just the support you know it's just not there. I'm sorry I'm sorry it's just not there. What's that one that's coming out that everyone was hyped for for like a week diabolical diabolical. That's another one where it's like honorable mention you just started. After like I. Think if you're going to be an arena shooter, you're instantly starting at the tier and then working your way up yet to prove yourself point because the arena shoot a bottle has. been successful in so long I mean. So long most kids don't even most gamers eighteen or younger could name in on arena shooter style game I just I can't think of one myself beyond the two that were mentioning here that. Even released in a long time. So yeah. Unfortunately quake we don't want you to be enough tear but. Where you belong right now. All right. I'll let you pick. We'll swap off picking I like this. I picked clay you pick next let's go with. Two nine SCO with rocket league. All Right Rocket League for me I saw when I made the less I was kind of thinking ahead of time. Right? So it's a little little cheating. But for me it, it has everything it takes off the boxes. I if it does have good viewer numbers on twitch, it has consistent viewing. Earlier. Today think had like forty or fifty thousand people watching it. For Their League play, it has developer support almost unlike any other right you open up rocket league, you have pro seen messages and things like that It's in the game you can buy pro team skins and things like that. I. I don't think it's an s tear just because for the games that I think are s tear. That haven't been there yet. It's not on that level. But I think rocket league for me is an eight year. Actually right there in agreements with the for even for a couple of other reasons that will we mentioned. Earlier with some of these games, Rocket League's going to grow you know rocket leagues about to go free to play in. So their audience is about to get bigger than it is. Now because more people will have their hands on the game. They already do a great job in their events like I've I've enjoyed competitive really is a great viewer sport. You know that's one thing that you also have to keep in mind is this something that can stand the test of time I do believe they can you know it's something that? Is just so easy to watch in yet. So Complex to play at that level that makes a great game for me. It's got the viewership Scott, the prize money it's got the orbs behind it So yeah, Rocket League is is a tear year for sure I don't put it in sc yet yet, but give give it here. Only one. Yeah. This could potentially be an s terry let let free to play fully blossom right because like you said, I think rocket easily have a regular appearance on TV. Yeah I could easily see rocket league making a regular appearance for a week night. Match or something on some type of ESPN channel or whatever NBC I could see that happening. So I think it could easily make its way to s to your here you know next year or two possibly but. There's that. I'll pick here. Moise. Chat says I didn't throw in Rainbow Six Vegas to for the memes first off I don't know what you're talking about by the memes as a former rainbow six vegas one an two. Semi pro I take that topic very serious and if the games dead at the moment. So instant. Now Counter Strike one point three that. This is current. That's the good reminding. This is for current E. sports scenes. Legacy comes into play bit, but historical scenes were not. We're not dealing with old games here. All right. So we have no no double up yet so far no double up yet. All right let's see here. Hey, this is going to make it easier as we get deeper. SET The bar. Setting where things will fall. Let me pick than let me pick the first of the League's and I'll start with overwatch. Okay. The Overwatch League I put the Overwatch League in there. It's really just overall overall E. sports including contenders if that even does anything to help your decision that might be a negative on it. Yeah I mean I'm going to start with overwatch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll pick and then you go when you start that's how it yeah. So I mean for. For Overwatch I think this is where some of the tears might come out because overwatch has a couple of things when we start to compare it to these other games, right. If we're just comparing it or comparing them to one, another will overwatch his numbers albeit are higher than a lot of these games on the list I. Think it underperforms in that area of where we expected to be. Yeah. So you tuitions is reality give it any. Leeway on that. Are you a little forgiving because switch to YouTube 'cause twitch? It was pulling good numbers. But it's We're talking about also where they're at now, this is at today right now. Now, what it has Ford is the live events are incredible overwatch whether it's just a watch party that we go to for envy or it's the finals that we went to in Philly and New York. Every time it's been an amazing fan experience for me. I've really enjoyed it however overwatch to me isn't A. A. Big Dilemma here because we know overwatch to around the corner at some point. I do know for a fact because we all know that several pros prominent pros have left the scene recently. So it's starting to lose firepower there. And the game itself the interest is significantly lower today was a year ago. Even more. So where it was two years ago and even more. So where it was three years ago, the interest is dying in the game I think it for me. It fits right in the middle of where we have everything right now the one of the few empty spots we have left, but I would put overwatch a not below where I think rainbows succeeds currently is and I would put it in the here seen. Yeah and you know I think I think that's that's fair looking that if s a are tier one east sports being crt or two. I would think at the moment overwatch. Is At least. If I look I don't disagree with you enough to argue because I would make it a be I would still put it in tier two but you're absolutely right in the direction that it's going. It doesn't look good. So I see rainbow is a game that is on the rise still. Yeah. We're look it over watches the game the Tom Decline it's going GONNA put them both in tears two. I know there are ways to combat. Oh, this is why overwatch is more successful than rainbow obviously we know about the franchising but I think it's a game on the decline in. So that's why I would put it one notch below where we're rainbow is currently Now also, just the negative vibes that surround it right you even when you talk and. Overwatch and you know we were we're fans of it like a new set. A new JR has hardly ever played overwatch but still going to the events you're like, this is awesome. Yeah. I mean. I enjoyed overwatch a light year one I played it a ton year one with you guys. My interest die down. But not because I thought it was a crappy game. There's just I had other games and join more that I still enjoy more. From an East force perspective. But that's what this is about. It's not about me enjoying the game or not liking the game I just see it as a game on the decline. In indie Miller is talking about, hey, if he could go back in time, he would not pay what he paid for league. He's not the only one that thinking that there's only one saying, no, they're all thinking, right? You're right. Though I. Think you're absolutely right to put in the middle because it's on the it could be on the decline or overwatch to comes out and it shoots a right back to where it was. So I think I think in the middle see is the perfect spot for it are you can go ahead and pick. Let's go with. Doda to. All right. All right. Doda to now, this is an interesting one because apart from the international, which obviously is one of. The biggest events of the year, right? Like it pulls in. More money more news stories, everything. It's a huge event valve Kinda, shot themselves in the foot when they went away from like the three majors a year and the international I think when they went to these like so many tournaments Kinda hurt them in the sense of. You know what's a quantity over quality? Right where it's like if you have so many kind of waters down each one whereas before you had little tournaments but then you had a big one little terms big little tournaments international. You're just waiting for one now exactly and that's where I find myself. I'm sitting here every year just waiting for the International. And maybe that's you know maybe that's an issue when you when the International in one tournament is so big the rest don't matter as much from A. A fans aspect from. News perspective. I don't think that being said. I mean the international care you pretty far on this list I would almost seem like putting it at a beat here is almost disrespectful just given how again the legacy of the game was so huge. But I just feel like it's trended somewhat downwards and maybe maybe be a spot I wouldn't go below be but I definitely wouldn't go higher than a it's either a or B. Yeah. I'm right there and I I think you know again feels weird to throw it in the because we know what the international is. We know the live audience is great. They sell our stay number are great. Good good to great. You Know A. But you're right throughout the year. No one's talking about Doda. The way we'll talk about some of these other games if we start talking a and s t right in. So I do feel like it's bigger than siege still, but I could see being just on the top end of that tier right where Cj may be on the same line as Doda. Don't kind squeezes itself a little bit ahead of, but it's still kind of belongs in the same category. Uncomfortable when be like if there was a and a half if we can have tears, it would go right in between. I agree I agree. All right. Maybe twitch chat disagrees and they can convince us to make it a at the moment. I think we agree be feels weird. Don't get me wrong because Dodos huge but just from a yearly throughout the year seems a little low. My Mitre, your turn. All right because I want to hear you talk about it. Let's go with. Wow and this is including a we can let it go arena and. The race India Yeah Yeah This is GonNa hurt a little bit because like I I love the game so much I really enjoy while even till this day after seventy years. But it doesn't belong in the upper echelon right viewership numbers even from twitch over to Youtube we talked about like some big events that draw big numbers, but as a whole like the average viewing experience is very low. It's never been the key focus of blizzard right because wow is emo I in these are aspects with in that game that have turned into to eat sports, right? Arena did not start off as an sport. It was just a fun in game to be able to do and as it's grown, it's turned himself into an EASTPORT mythic pluses are still so new like it's not even that old of a future in it's turned itself into this whole thing in so. I'M GONNA throw it with another blizzard game I. Think to me this falls in that C. Tier category but I don't think it's like something on the decline thinking will always kind of hold its its popularity with where it's at. It's just not going to be the main focus of wow like I mean even the ratings stuff that takes place not it's an east fort now right like complexity, all these guys have Oregon that do it. But it's for the game I in this is like a spin off of what's come from it so For. That reason I throw it in a see it's tear to eastport. Think out. There is no I think you're a hundred percent. Especially, getting a chance to go to bliss con that room where they hosted the both md I races and the arena you couldn't. You couldn't find a seat right so if you're looking from in person experience insane now of read Consomme, that's a bit biased opinion because of course people there. Like, in love, right. But it's difficult to go against that when it comes to blizzard games when they can host a three day event although be it not just for E. Sports they all do very well there though. So I I. Agree I think it's I don't think we're over watch. You know could go lower could go higher pending on how the outlook for the future goes while I think stick a hard stuck see. Yeah, Hearts Dirksen. You'RE GONNA. Pick I. got a fun one forty Tim because I would love to know. What you say about this game, it might be. If you're watching on stream, it might give you the answer just looking at the Akron I wanNa, know what you think about fortnight Tim. I mean. Look if if we can be honest because, I know we joke all the time that fortnight's not any sport. It did have the world. Cup it did have one of the most captivating. East sports event that I think quite possibly in our lifetime when it comes to you, they brought in the world right? Like literally it was the World Cup I think. When it comes to to four-night that being said the developers. Can't do update without screwing up their sports scene? And pissing off every pro. Even, their pros have left it to go play valor it. I think they still do some weekly tournaments, but no one hears about it I think it's an e sports side of four. Now, you have literally the most popular game out in the world and you have one of the biggest messes when it comes to East Sports, I think F fortnight, it's not an easy sport, it's not an eastport. Of I'm going to agree with you because it's truly not in east for the developers have no interest no this one you know why they do a competitive side because of the player base behind it and they know they'll do it but they truly do not care they. They don't, and that's the most. Part because there's people that would love to play it in a League type setup and they've just refused to do it You know obviously covert hitting this year's not going to allow them to have a World Cup but again, that's just a a celebration of the game is how I look at that right? I look at the World Cup. Now it's something that ties a lot of money to it. So naturally, we say look it's news for prize pool tied to it, but they have no interest in in it a shoot sport it's a a fun game. It's a game that you can play competitively, but they don't want it to be an east sport and for that reason. I'm okay with etfs like it work its way up, it has the ability right but I just don't do enough throughout the year that makes me sit here and be like this. This is niece sport like it's on the list because it's a big game, not because they do something that proves them to be worthy of being an eastward your where the public looking at the other tear in quake the public has failed quake. Right? They have. We have failed arena shooters. EPIC has failed for night on the competitive side. Gears at least has a league. Bid have people behind it. Cared try to make it entertaining. It's just it's just the player. The viewers isn't nate Nandor there. As like, yeah he took over the sport side of epoch. So you'd think he took a paycheck is what he took because he hasn't done anything either they don't listen to well or it is rocket league now too though. So maybe he just acknowledged the fact that rocket league is the easiest one to sell, and he also realizes fortnight is not an sport. That's my exclamation on it. Yeah, whatever it is. It's it's odd because the game had the ability to be a tier one eastward. Honestly they had. They had the player base to be Tier One sport whether we liked it or not if they made a league at the right time. And let all the Oriental shift reimers or that were involved the celebrities that were involved. You could have celebrity pro am and all these events like they really could have made it huge in. Honestly, it would have been hard to probably not put it in like eight year type game hadn't been done right the fact that it's been done. So poorly, there's there's no way you could give it a passing grade like this just enough tear eastward. You're older than me. So I want you to talk about this game that has probably more legacy on it than any game on this list, and that is star craft to. That's kind of where becomes tough because it is a legacy game. Right. I mean it's an active eastport. It's still a great player base for a game that old you know ten years as of like last week. Yeah in it's almost like damn look again, this is how blizzard. Kills me inside is sitting on Ip's for as long as they do Diablo. warcraft three was a remastered that came out starcraft to ten years old. Even wow twenty you know fifteen twenty years old whatever it is now. It's GonNa. It's not gonNA grow you know starcraft is not getting any bigger if anything is getting smaller. It's becoming more irrelevant in that sense. But an amazing history and what it's done for east sports is like undoubtedly as it's like the reason for so many of these sports we have today in the money that's being filtered in. So I'M NOT GONNA put it in F for that reason I think this is like an e tear for me though because it's not it's not going anywhere like it's still going to have its base is still going to be talked about because there's so much history there but until starcraft three or something comes out. It's going to be really hard for starcraft to to do anything other than what it's doing now. So I would make it easier game at the moment for that reason again, starcraft three. If that came out, promise you, the show would be easy to your to sport easy No doubt my mind. This were jump up at least two to three tiers. But for that reason is ten years old we are where we are is not changing. I think years probably a comfortable spot for me. Yeah and I agree I think it definitely falls in the tier three category. I I don't even know how how much blizzard cares about it in the sense of like keeping it fresh right. When it comes to the East sport side, we see the same players play in very rarely. Do you see a new face in the starcraft scene? It still does very well as far as like viewership goes for starcraft. It. Doesn't you give on their. Part unless it's like their championship. You rarely see starcraft over peak the top ten on twitch nowadays where I remember even five years ago you saw more right it was one of the top games on twitch and now you just don't see it. It's just look it is what it is that we had. We thank you are S.'s for what you have done for each sports because truly without artists Games we would not be where we're at right now it eastwards without starcraft without command and conquer of without age of empire they really kind of started this east sports scene becoming mainstream right especially like in Korea with star craft. It's just not a sexy Jonah Yeah. It's not. It's almost like the arena sugar right now although I do think artists has. Still. A lot of potential the. A new game come out I don't know if I could say the same for was really like a flawless in its making an rt s I feel like would still appeal to appeal to the young and old so pills to the young I feel like it's not a sexy game. Kids these days they look at four-night. They look at war zone you know they they like y'all and get salty in have the flashes and artists just doesn't do that like it's Not Flashy. It's what I think chess is versus. Is. That's exactly that was my almost my point to argue with is that it's like a game like chess like it it challenges the mind. Yeah. Way that I feel like for certain people for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Is there. That's why it can appeal to the young and old is because it's just the mindset going into that type game I feel like it's different. I want to ask you about this. When you can combine, you can separate them. I don't care how you how you WanNa go about this one, but I want to ask you about smash brothers in specifically say Malay are actually being kind of first and foremost but you can always both. Yes. Yes. So we have ultimate and Malay on the list I was thinking about putting smash as one but I felt like that was almost unfair. Because Malay obviously, just has the legacy factor right? I mean we've talked on the show countless numbers of times. Go Watch the smash brothers documentary if you really truly want to know how this game started on the grass roots side. Amazing it's truly amazing. It's truly a test of time where you have starcraft, which is a ten year old game and it's not getting any bigger Malay is a even older game and somehow still is breaking records at Yvo when it's an ego. That's no fault of their own. That's just 'cause egos dumb. But it is still breaking records for entry numbers like it's somehow getting more popular with time goes on they just had that big update which. I've wanted to talk on the show now for like three weeks but then the whole smash pedophile scandals happen just got away from us but they just did an Air You can now play online right like they. Say. That makes it seem like ten did let's be real. Does not doing anything. There's now a way to play mainly online almost flawless annute almost real all they're now hosting melee tournaments online so it's again going to get better. So now, a lot of these ultimate Malay guys that were playing ultimate are like Oh, snap I can do that. So in that sense I think for me may lay, you have the legacy factor, you have the numbers. May maybe an a tear. It might be an eight here because the legacy factor, this is my issue and this is going to go for all fighting games on the list. Okay. This is my issue with putting fighting games that high is because truly the viewership and the hype does not get picked up until top eight like you have an entire weekend of tournaments that's still have good numbers, but the top eight is what people tune in to see. So I don't know how you know. Maybe that's just it. Maybe that's the nature of the beast. You have the same thing in tennis tournaments same thing in March madness maybe that's just how tournaments work so i. Might be the one exception to. What I'm saying like the more you get down to the popular deeper in you go. So that. I would put Malay at a I'll put a melee at a but to compromise into show how much I think legacy and the Phantom of Malay will carry it. I. Put ultimate INNOC- because truly I just feel like it is. The only reason it's as popular as it is, is because what Malay has done for it and I don't think ultimate is a tier one eastport. Way And then you also have to developer support, which is not really there in terms of the eastbound side none for for either a game, right? Like even their newest one. Yeah and so it Yeah I. See where you're coming from from wanting to put Malay in a tier and I'm okay with it being there. I think. My mind I feel like it lacks in certain areas like, Oh, this is like the best eastward but you could say it's tier one east because they have several big events throughout the year it stays relevant throughout the year and you. Look at the May late events I mean they sell out. You know there's Raipur still big personalities in there Yeah. Like mainly falling into an eight is fine. You know see see, tear tears really what I was thinking for. The UP. I thing is, is like with Malay those pros transcend to other scenes you bring up hungry box, you bring up mango to people that might not know or like die hard Maili they'll know who hungry box and mutual king mango are. That's why think Niagara? Speak. Malay can fall into an eight here and then ultimate going into. say deep personally you a tier three, ultimate. Yeah. Yeah. I think ultimate only is like popular because Malay is rallying offensive like. People move to it because there's more money there for them in certain areas in new is the new game. But once the next game comes out whenever that is I don't know I. Don't know I just have a hard time thinking that our. Ultimate like a big e sport right now I think may lay still very much carries the throne ultimate is just A. Weekend. I mean I'm okay. Looking at what else is in? NC. Right. Because I kind of what I'm doing is looking at overwatch I think is bigger than ultimate in that sense so we can. We can certainly do that. All right so I will go here. And we will get so. Moist in chat why no mobile or manner? FICA. True story is it only let me upload a certain number of things. So that's why. But when we get through this list, we'll do honorable mentions well, we'll in madden. FIFA. Some mobile games things like that. So but for now it's on the list I really only added crewmen. The what's it called? Criminal look. Okay Yeah greeting the crowd cremated crop. Yeah also I mean if you really WanNa talk about real quick, I feel like mad and go in the same tier and to me yet is teary. Can we agree yeah, fee for Tier de there a sports game, it's very difficult to break through. So let's let's keep in with that conversation NBA to K-league yet. Maybe this is where it gets a little bit different. 'cause we say it all falls into the same category, maybe a to K league. Franchising model that they've done. The, acceptance from the NBA is well right like really getting them involved as much as they. Do you know even with joke about joked about the draft when it happened but that was actually like a cool way to integrate those worlds because NBA. Two K. fans or NBA fans, right like they go very much hand in hand I think the developer does a good job of supporting them in so. I can only take it so far because of what it is ultimately in maybe this is a notch above like this would be on the par with Wile E. Sports for me you know like. There's a following there. There's a fan base there, but it's probably GonNa always hover around there. It's not going to really jump up into a tier two like a heavy tier two hitter is going to be on the bottom part of probably these tier two groups that we see it's never going to be a tier one east board I don't believe. But it's a little bit better than like tier three. See for me. They have the franchising model and it's it's like it's pretty big. I mean. For me I, I feel like you're right it takes off but it can only go so far. For me I guess in retrospect I would put Matt in fee for Games like that. At e. An NBA Two K. League at D.. And that's just because it's never going. It will always just be that neat thing that the NBA does with their game it will never be a viewed as a top tier first off I mean do we even look at it as an east sport in the sense of like when we talk about things on our show like not a widow talk about it because it's not like it doesn't fall under like. We know most of our fanbase doesn't give a shit about. UK Realistically speaking. I'm okay. We WanNA throw it in the d-category like the other Games are in. It could fall right in line with them because that's still think apex like now almost looking at this list, I kind almost WANNA bump apex up one from like I. Don't think NBA Two K. in APEC hand in hand like apex is. Much more popular game in terms of player Basin, that John Laura right is popular in general. But yeah, I wanted to slide in like NBA. There is at the top of the Tier Three East sports like I understand where you're coming from a wooden I wouldn't argue it. Yeah. Other just I like I said, I. Don't think that's a bad thing. I just think it's when you're a traditional sport game trying to break into the e sports world. It's tough. It's tough. But I think they do I think they do a great job with it though that being said. Another problem these Games sports games have is like unlike a call of duty, it's a yearly release. Right was called duty. You get a very different game a year with sports games. You're basically getting ninety nine percent of the same game with Oh. The truck stick now does this feature. That's really it. All right. Your turn. You know and I almost wonder if you want. Some these up as a whole because you're our expert here. Also. Go back to them because I also want to know what you think about this game I want to go with Pudgy. When I think of this, I, almost think more of mobile than anything. Right? Like I think more pudgy mobile because I, think that's where that eastport side is. That's where they've shifted. Right? You rarely hear anything about traditional pudgy now. You I've at least for me I always hear Pudgy mobile event. Yeah We've talked about it where India Top game right it's their fortnight. We've even talk to people from India and not including a new and his family on this one but like other people from India at Bliss Khan and they've said the same thing they were like everywhere you go. You go to a store the cashiers playing pudgy mobile go to the bank the tellers playing pudgy mobile you have a baby the doctors playing pudgy mobile he's like it is everywhere pudgy mobile. which is nuts for travel. Can't believe it. But that being said much like traditional sports much I think mobile games in general. They have a ceiling. They have a ceiling when it comes to this to your list and breaking the sports world and not to mention then you throw in the fact that you're pudgy which I know to pretty much everywhere else in the world but apparently other than India is not a good thing. Is had so many issues. Like, it just they never were able to overcome the hurdle. The game is getting taken over by by bots in the sense of like ai players like they have to throw in AI bots and they're just to fill in rooms We've had listeners who started playing the game recently. So they're fresh right and they're getting teamed up in rooms against pros because there's such a little player base that the top players getting thrown in rooms with new players just so they can fill in rooms. To me on life support to me, it's it's another F- tear in my eyes I wanna make it an easier just to help out our. Indian. Buddies to telling us how popular it was. But for me, it's on life support to me. It's an tear. Strictly. Mobile. I could fight for being in each year. You know like if we're talking about the P. side. Being a heavy part of this decision in the elected. Side. Would say easily on life support however, in the mobile side, it's considered a top tier game right? It's right up there with the the clash of clans in all these call of duty mobile like it's a very popular mobile game and I think the money is actually pretty decent right the sponsorships are good and like I said the the player bases there I would put it above a a game like quake in fortnight because Ford night we sat doesn't have any sports scene If we want to compare quakes eastport seemed to puppies. East Forbes that's true. PUDGY mobile would look like the TI in terms of player the event, right? So. I WANNA five, four for. Weaving it. That's fine. That's right. Like you said, it's GonNa they're not going to be able to like sit way higher. Going to be that's it. Be Happy IF YOU'RE A pudgy mobile right now because that's that was that was given tear ever see being able to jump to eat here. You know what I'm saying it could fall down to fm now if they get. True, it's never gonNA WANNA upgraded because I. Don't think it'll be more popular than it is necessarily today know. If I could just for the sake of my OCD, can you scoot a Smidge to your left? So you frame your Webcam. There we go. Looks beautiful just for our our twitching. Youtube viewers. For. These browser once were slimmer were slim. All right. All right. All right. So my pick here let me go with your opinion because you've played this game a lot more than me and you're just more familiar with it. I think it might be our first but legal legends. Yeah. This to be like a pretty easy pick because league is really going to check off all the boxes right viewership prize money player base popularity big tournaments throughout the year, not just waiting on one particular one but I think this is our first one that definitely belongs in the s tear got developers support. You know it's it's really got everything. There's nowhere that League of legends lacks as an e sport right now you could say, Hey, it's it's maybe it's not It's not gaining popularity or player base as much. Was a couple of years ago with no shit like the Games old fly around it's so steady and it's at the top tier of its own genre right? Like is the best mobile out there in terms of popularity of the league system is fantastic. The Games are very competitive. There's so much interest around League of legends at all times the streaming side for even non pros is huge right? Like you're tyler ones and people like that like it really has everything I think that you would want for s tier. Upper upper-echelon each sport. In so for me, it's like almost an easy as to your plug I. Am one hundred percent. Agree I to me that was I think we're only going to have a couple on the s tier and League I. Think was always going to be one. I would love to hear someone's argument on why it shouldn't be an s tear. You know other than the fact that you might not like riot. From an e sports side everything they do is is s tier so i. Agree with you on that. Give you give you. One of the big boys here because I wanNA see now that we've kind of built out this list a little bit where this game truly falls because I know it's been a staple for us as of as of late NS Ecology League. Yeah. So that's kind of what kicked off. This whole conversation is the other week we said Tier One. Well to be correct we did not say call of duty was a tier one sport we said it should be treated like a tier one sport because. When you start much like the Overwatch League when you start charging people twenty million plus to get into your league the your standard. Shift right. To have this is this is kind of tough one because like my knee jerk reaction wants to say it's an eight year is a tier one, a top tier one each sport is called duty of one of the most popular games especially on console. If you're if you own a console, that's the game, you're playing every year with your buddies. Easy. Hands Down it does have. I don't to say it has developer support, but the developers behind the league. So it has that going for it a little bit. But that's also kind of a double edged sword in the sense of their developers really don't support them from a pro standpoint whatsoever. It has the players it has the legacy, right? You hear skimp cloister Krim six you know all these guys if you're just a fan of sports. It has the you know these guys have been playing for five plus years in the scene. You know they've you've seen new players come in it's getting new kids involved SIMP- being eighteen. You know or one thousand nine probably at this point but still rookie last year and he's in, it's getting New People that being said, I think the thing that holds us back from making it eight here in my eyes is the fact activision. At the Moment Infinity Ward Right? That's who has modern warfare does you such a piss poor job of supporting their own game? They could make this an eight here overnight they could make that's how close this is to being an eight year in my book is in one night you can make a splash screen for when you open the game, you see the League schedule in an advertising for champs. You fix the spawned bug that has been talked about now for almost a month. You update the Games you take control of the the GE fiasco that is still happening in both your challengers and Pro League in, and this could all be fixed and you could be an eight year but because of it almost seems like resistant from the developer to support their game I have to put a beat here and that's songs because I really think it's an eight here but just to almost prove a point to activision to get together I get what you're saying about the. Developer aspect I do but I got fight for a on this one. I'm going again looking at our tears right also looking at what we have. We have laid out here, right? Yeah. I think the personalities in call of duty or massive. That's a big part of it. Right? Like player to fan engagement is huge in college because the player base can almost relate to half of these players in the sense of just the way day conduct themselves right? Like they have that kind of a good. they have a good thing going there I. Think with right action between the fans and the players. It has the legacy, the game itself is like good in the sense call of duty. Okay. I as a whole is just so damn popular. You know like it's just every year they have a new game in it's so popular, and if we're the icon we have on here is call of duty leaks. I don't know if we're only referencing modern worth your belic as the League has not been legacy sem into play. I think the East sports this year to me has proven. That it belongs in the eight year at least because. It's carried us through Kovin for a major part of it. I I do believe that duty is provided a lot of entertainment. Across the board this year. Part of that entertainment is the drama that's involved between the developers in the players. That's the piece of it, but it's provided a lot of entertainment across the board and I think the viewership is there the money is there the personalities or they're the franchising? Is there like it's starting to check more and more boxes I? Think the franchising was almost like the last piece of it but to see how these teams have been in this franchise model of really really enjoyed it and I'm super hyped for champs around the corner. Maybe that's also a part of my thinking here. For it to be like a low tier, a like I think. If, WE'RE GONNA put smashing their call of duty is more popular than smash brothers in my is. More. Popular Game smashed belongs there for several reasons but I think if smash does call of duty, could squeeze its way into like a lower tier one grouping. Now, a might not said that last year but I think now it's kind of proven itself but this franchising model also it's it's done a lot for the game I think yeah and I, mean, help you know developer changes next week or next year, and it could be completely different from what we hear will. So I'm fine. Like I said I'm fine with putting in a day I. wanted to put today without even blinking. It's just. Get worked up when it's Kinda like they're saying. It's been handled poorly in so many areas. But when I started thinking like call of duty rainbows, this whole duty to me is a notch ahead call of duty or Doda does only bigger than call duty for one weekend of the year essentially So I think it could fit finish way in their even call of duty in rocket league like I hear more about call of duty than I do rocket. Leagues Games going on throughout the week crate, Joe. Maybe rocket like in that sense no, I. Mean I think rocket leak deserves A. Luckily done enough to put itself in converse. Yeah. So Broccoli fell into a fellow to be think we'd be finding their way. Yeah, I think the way that we have nine say he deserves it's I'm bitching about call of duty league because developers and I truly mean the developers like whoever is designing the game and the interface or the advertise whatever rouw whoever's job that is to advertise the League within the game that's where the dropping the ball at because the league in themselves is an St. Like you have never seen. A league do more work as far as making them available for us like truly we can get a player on almost any time we wanted to I felt like. It's they make it very easy. They wanted to succeed. In that? No. Yeah. I'll put it here. I'll put a nature. But just know activision this is not because. This is because the players and the league offices themselves are carrying your your ass to the here. So there's that. I forgot who was even I go what was that you? That was me that went. So I'm picky with pick now. Okay. Let's go. Tough one. Tough because it's like just so fresh into the scene. But it's got so many pros for it in the sense of pros and. Cons type situation right and then pros in the sense that pro seen it already more developed than somebody the proceeds. What we talk about on here it's got developers support escot riots backing, right? We know there will be a league system. So I'm kind of future thinking here. It's got big name pro players that people can recognize know their names already for so many of the players in this league, we've seen top tier players from other leagues including Overwatch Switchover including the number one player in. Overwatch I have a tough time making my hand like I want to give this in eight year Tim I really do like I wanNA, give give it in a tear because it's got all the makings right for good sport I would not get down to be just for the simple. Fact is I want to see them put it all together. You WanNa see something now like some WanNa see these big to's get involved in kind of run their own league system before riot steps in and takes over. So I WANNA see it develop a little bit more but there's no way I would drop it below be I do want to sneak it into a but I need to see a little bit more before I could be like okay it's hair yeah I I would think as a little premature. mainly because for all the reasons that we have the Games in a smash Malays there because the legacy. Cod League is there because of we the kind of proves a proven themselves right? and. Then rocket leak again they've proven themselves games in the year games that have proven themselves valor. It is in that direction just a little too early and you know partly is Kovic Fault right? If if the whole world could get together for a land I'm sure we'd be singing a different tune but I agree I think it's be tear. I. Will Say this to For all the people talking about riots saying, well, they want to wait to see if it can be profitable to do a league if they want to be profitable for the orbs I think that's cute that you believe it riot is waiting to make a to see if it's profitable for the orbs riot is waiting to make a league till they see it's profitable for riot. That's what they want. They're going to come in at a time once everybody else kind of establishes yet, and they can just come in and flip a switch in their kind of good to go won't be too long but it's right on the verge I mean it's a game that we know is going to be big. So I think is pretty fair for now up I. Wonder if this gets you in trouble Tim because I know your love in your passion for this game, but I wanna see how much of a realist you are at the same time. Halo. And I guess it's talking Halo Five. Halo in general we can say, hey, Lowell general actress Halo in general because realistically they host Halo Three still you know they they'll host whatever. So it's almost not fair to judge this game at the moment because let's be real. It's dead like Halo five is dead. The pro scene is dead at the moment but that's all by design because obviously we're all waiting for infinity to come out right so I'm going to your ago two. Oh, it's been dead for awhile. Yeah. It's not like infinit. They stopped supporting Halo I mean really realistically though they did as soon as they announced and teased infant that halo seen. By Halo Five. We're OUTTA here like it. Really. I can't tell you the last time. There's really a big Halo Tournament. The legacy is there everything you know I I want to make this This isn't s tear in my heart. Halo is an s tear in my heart. I want everyone to know that before I say this but if my money is on the table and I had to speak the truth at the moment, it's a D. Tier I think it's a D.. Because, and this is why I think it's not an e because the games that we haven't e are dying fan bases with real. No hopes of getting better right apart from starcraft if they just magically announce a third one. But with Halo infinite that is going to pick back up right like halo going to get picked back on. Okay. What I was thinking in my head to be honest with you. Okay. Because the scene is so irrelevant right right and it's on life support with the hopes that infinitives oxygen that it needs to stay alive right? Like we're hoping that infinite breathes life back into this game, but it is a dead game at the moment. A moment isn't it? Yeah. It's like absolutely dead in. So not gonNA fight you on it like in my heart, it's sitting closer to e I can see why we're giving it a D. because of the potential again, that's really the only reason I feel like it deserved to be up there NBA two K. is bigger than Halo. Moment the east. Yes. Apex more popular than Halo is by far smash ultimate same thing like it's on the lower end of the D. spectrum right now. With the potential derives quickly and it will it's GonNa. RISE IS GONNA. Be A tigger as again. That's interesting to see look at when master chief collection came out on steam for that brief. To Three Week Window Halo was back hail. Three week went back well because then p. took right. For Short lived love affair. People right now a days, right? There's. But people swiped right out of excitement on that and then they realize Oh, got catfish. exactl-. Here. I think. Is Fair I. Think IT'S Easier is cruel I. think that's whatever but it's a D. because of potential that has a potential and legacy. I could list off a number of Halo pros at people would know I know, but you can't ride only on legacy. I know. But yeah, I agree with you that that's fine de sitting there is okay if the heartbeat it's like it is on life support. will say. It's Not Declaring it dead, but it's not you're looking for their next of kin. You have their next of kin on speed dial if your Halo Sports Fan but miracles do. Hope. Finit is the the defibrillators that we need. I believe in you halo please for the love of God. Don't be in. The next time we do this. All right My turn. Let's go with I'm I'm curious on your take on these games and you compare them together if you want. But Street fighter mortal Kombat and we can even throw an honorable mention second just the F- The the core core FCC Games that we constantly see it the the big events right again, this to me falls pretty close to where I see smash ultimate for a couple of reasons this got gotta core consistent fan base that's not going to go away it's big enough to at least hold its own some of these bigger tournaments Prize pools or decent, but it's not gonNa grow you know and that's a big thing for me We know what we have in these games where street fighter five mortal combat whatever you know. Seen multiple iterations of these games and we know how these these cycles kind of work into I would slide it in there in in the D. Tier Category. Because it's it's kind of hit its. Peak could maybe fight for a C. Tear slot of, but I think both of those. Genres when I say over I. Think Overwatch League is bigger than the FTC community. You know just looking at kind of the gamut and seeing the events play out. The franchising model like there's there's still more upside there in the long run but it it sits right in that CD area for. C. Look Great Fan base we love him to death but that is what it is. You know it's not getting bigger at this point. I think. In. General has a ceiling on this list. I truly think that ceiling is about see I think Malay. Is The outlier maybe a tier, the more and more we talk the more and more I think eight might be too high for Malay. But just know that the legacy is really caring that right like and the the rabid fan base behind Malay. Mainly the exception. Yeah. Maala the exception to this rule. Let me on why I think straight fighter is see tear you have the cap calmly official league ran by the doves. That's actually like a competent league. Right? You have legends in that Game Diago. We just talked about him turned what thirty nine. Sat in your chair this chair that your butts, what your you have shared but sweat with diago. So. That might be an s tear now that you say that for that reason, most of the time. They have been featured on ESPN. They've showed their evil events live on espn they happen featured with. Elite. Right they've had TV appearance before, and it's still wildly popular in Japan even in the arcade and everything street fighter is one of those core FCC Games that I think are see tear that being said mortal combat I think is always going to be a tier below street fighter whenever you look at these big. Events the one of the Games that constantly get left off the list after a year or two of being released is mortal Kombat for whatever reason I think it's because. Balances The game out of oblivion like they do like a balance update almost every. Alien and they'll they add in fun things that are fun. But not necessarily the best for the competitive side I would put street fighter at C. Tear because I. Think it is what it is I. Don't think it's getting any less popular, but I don't think it's getting any more popular. Mortal combat. I could almost put on a D. or an e because when it comes out tight, but the hype just dies relatively quick. Yeah. No I'm okay. With that I can see what you're. I mean again, the legacy for streetfighter alone. Kebab up a notch right I know mortal Kombat has that same legacy but street fighter hits just for. said. Street fighter has had success on the mainstream media. You know it's it's an older game for sure I'm sorry this or have you not seen the mortal Kombat movie? You are there is a street fighter movie to. Equally as a Jean Claude van Damme Baby, you can't go wrong if he's in your movie to hit there you go I I can live with them. It's either it's either this right. So it's either streetfighter seed Mortal Kombat D. or streetfighter de more combat e right like that's really what you're looking at. Maybe that's honestly the better to look now that you say that that would be more in line with what I was thinking because I had them both a D.. Okay. So if I were to knock down, then I would go di Di. All right. Let's I'm I'm fine with that or street fighter see but I just don't that looks right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right I think you're right. All right. So we only got a couple of left three left and you know a WanNa give you something that's going to give you somewhat of a challenge because I feel like one of these very obvious one of them. I. Think I'm a little bit more curious to know where you have it and it's something that you've actually touched on a lot more than I have. So I'm going to ask you about heart stone. So stone. Is By far the most popular trading card game on the PC it's got a massive player base. Still their battleground I think to me is fun from what I know. That's like a lot of the top streamers for stone are playing. It has the scene died a little bit over the years. But of course, you know that's just going to happen your game is old. And everything like that. But with every expansion props self backup. I think it falls in line with most of the blizzards game here in my opinion and it's a seat. Here it is what it is. It's strong. It has developers backing. It has a solid player brace people like it. Right? It has it pulls inconsistent viewer numbers. It's not gonNA break any records right but it's also not going to go anywhere anytime soon either so I to me it's a solid C. Tier. I don't see any game I, know. Radar the. The Tempo storm owner they're developing tempo storm is developing their own trading card game that supposed to rival it and everything there. But I think for right now until something proves that we've seen a number of trading card games break out into the world including magic like the Gauntlet of all trading card games and it's still just it's not there to knockoff Karston I think is a solid see. Yeah I I actually completely agree with that I think it does fall right in line with the rest. Of Blazers, Games kind of interesting looking at this how that has it'll tell you a little bit the top of the list of a trading card games online like it's hard to deny that, and that's there is that ceiling there and it's God just as loyal following I believe as any of these other top tier. Games like people that love hardstone truly led the damn game and and it's fun like I've played it I. I've enjoyed I've enjoyed it i. don't play at a time, but I've dabbled in a little bit and I think it's you know a pretty good game over it's hard as a new player to get into but it from an east side see tear seems pretty damn bidding. You know it's funny. You mentioned magic. To See if magic gains in popularity after their mel releases because they haven't top-down Diablo looking style and. That's coming out and there's already gameplay footage for it. So I wonder if they somehow incorporate that into it to kind of build itself a little bit because that's one name that could rival any other. Yeah. In that scene. So but yeah for now throwing it in. See I think that's fitting. Soggy. I'll give you a toss up here with Cisco. See, general but obviously, see us go I. It's a Slam Dunk I. Mean this is obviously s tear eastport I should add between them in s s tear each sport between them in League It's hard to deny what they've done over the years consistency. The fact that you could stay entertained throughout the years throughout the year with different big events right. There's always something to kind of look forward to encounter strike in. That's very difficult to. Do to keep people entertained throughout a calendar year with different events that really have no correlation even one, another the intrigue, the excitement is they're easy viewership game the numbers fantastic. The live audience like literally just League of Legends the only difference I think between league, and see us go as legal legend has much better developer support in my eyes I. Think she has go still really lax in that area, it will only be pushed once. We see. Valerie and kind of jump in properly, and then maybe we'll see updates come quickly. To where it's not like, it needs to be reworked they just need to re. Energize, the the normal player base right. The eastward seen will always be popular I believe but at the general player base needs a reason to be a little bit more excited in. So for that reason. I would say league is maybe just a notch above counterstrike overall on the global scale also, counterstrike hasn't really broken into. Asia. Seeing the way they had hoped to but it belongs on that s tear without a doubt It's it's a top two game in the world right now and it used for perspective. Yeah and I. There's no argument I mean it is. It is a it has been around for what to celebrate its Twentieth Year As a game that's crazy and for the most part has always been on the competitive side like. We watched the counterstrike documentary. It's like even while in Beta like people were playing it from a competitive standpoint. So it has stood the test of time. It will only continue standing the test of time and honestly there's no reason it shouldn't be an s tear. You wish the developers had a little bit more support, but it's not like they don't support it. They're sloan not at the panic. There's things that they could do better right the more layer matchmaking, but that's not east sports necessarily but like the matchmaking system in counterstrike makes it enough tear Know. Like that, that would say that does not game isn't perfect but the East sports scene is pretty much. They're very close. Tim We leave the best for last and I. Didn't even know this I knew this was a thing, but it's not something I've ever watched or followed I would like to get your expertise to somebody who's big into this world. Almost live this in a real life basis here in Texas farming. Simulator League now, farming simulator is a game that took people on Spice Storm. Storm and then when they announced that they're doing a league everyone was like, okay I'm interested as a farmer myself new I don't know if you knew this this weekend. I. Started My own garden. So I, went out there I put on the boots I went. Would you print? Who's Nice Nice? I'm going to plant some bell peppers. Have Spinach and squash. Some some bell sprouts. So hooked me up with some Jalapenos when those bad boys. Yeah. Oh, I will definitely spread the love I. Like I said I'm I'm a farmer myself. So I can I appreciate this on a multiple level that being said I don't really understand it. I've watched some of it. I've never played the game, but you have developer support. You have a crazy fan base behind a loyal fan base behind it. The prize money's there because I think they're one opening tournament was. I said I'm GONNA correct this because in my brain I know I said this and it's GonNa drive me nuts. I'm not planting bell sprouts I got bell peppers and Brussels sprouts mixed up belts. Proud is a polk. Amman. Not Planning Poker. Off. Are. You didn't correct me on it but I saw your face when I said it and I appreciate you being a good friend and just letting it go. To Hell that. Without Planting Pokemon, I have bell peppers and Brussels sprouts. Right go back to my statement I. Think for me it takes off all the boxes. It's educational. K.. It teaches people to go outside and fend for themselves I think we're closing out on a high I think farming simulators nest here back to back S I. Didn't think I'd see the day. I. Think that's IT I. think that's the only obstacle answer. When you look at the other s tears, tell me what does farming simulator not have they don't. It's A. You know what? I can't even argue at ten I. Can't even argue it maybe I don't have the energy to. Lend. That's why I say. All right. So there you have it their official tea CR sports, Tier List. We have s tier legal engines us go farming simulator, eight-year rocket, League smash. Malay call of Duty Btr Doda Rainbow six Valerie see tear overwatch wile Harr Stone de tear is Apex Legends Smash. Alternate. NBA. To, K. Halo and street fighter e. here is gears starcraft. Pudgy? Mortal Kombat and F. Tear quake and fortnight. I like this list. It's a lot more I won't lie to you in is a lot more even than what I thought. It would be a healthy balance here. obviously takes the win in in terms of which you know being rated. There makes sense you know it's like if you make e sports tier and you have more. Games up on the top than you did it wrong? Yeah I mean you can only have so many s here first of all, right like. League and see us go. Make sense we we understand that. And then you Kinda got a great off of what they've been able to accomplish so I I like how it's laid out a really wouldn't move anything around you I thought I would at the end, it'd be like occurs could be one or two that kind of bothered me on where they sit you know you have shared there's more of a case for apex out there maybe even smash ultimate to maybe go go up tear but overall I think it's a It looks to me like it looks right It's funny that I think the most shocking thing is blizzard kind of having three games sitting there in C. Tier would really have as much potential as anybody else to to be a be a tier kind of games. So again, if you're looking at it, so s an a as tier one. Right and that to me makes sense BC would be your tier two east sports which look I know a lot of people I know see has there they're very dedicated loyal fan base but the reality is is apart from maybe a tournament or two a year you are tier to eastport and that's not to say that's bad like. Siege has had an incredibly healthy e sport lifetime being tier two. Is. A couple years ago you were tier? Three. Right. So you can easily find your way tier one here soon, but you know keep on truckin. and. There's that. Like you said I do think valor it moves ended the Tier One by like twenty twenty one next time we announce list. Let's say we we hold this closer to maybe three or four through the year again dower I very easily see moving into in a potentially even s era mean I, know that's high expectations, but it wouldn't surprise me either if I definitely see them being an eight-year game by the end of next year, the rest of these like they got something to prove I think Halos. One other game on here that I could see take a huge. Rise from for where they're at. Some of these needle election work. You know like starcraft it's GonNa. Need a new game. That's a lot of work to do in one year to get bumped up. So. I think it's going to be easier. Yeah. I I honestly I think halos going to be the only one that we see. Up from the lower tiers, right like you said, Valerie I see apex dropping out if they don't do anything. To help that apex be on the list next year. Yeah. Yeah there. MIGHT NOT BE EASTPORT for it if it doesn't there about one new battle royale away from being forgotten. So. Yeah I think it's a pretty solid list. I know. Moise. Keeps asking and chat about Clash Royale I've literally never played it and the only time I've ever seen it. I didn't eat sports event was dream Hack Dallas they had a little clash royal boost setup and literally no one was there to watch their pro games or play the demos. So if I had to go off my one example Bradenton for clash royale even though he is telling me chat that it's an s tear I would I would say it's an tear off of my one real life example that had no one watching it dream Pack Dallas now that's. Wrong But got a huge player based airbases there for a game like that we're the eastward scene. Is something different. You know I'm curious I WANNA ask you about one game. We didn't have on this another honorable mention Tim because of Covid a deserves to be in the conversation and that's the new like the I racing seeing that we've seen where do you think that falls on this list and how much of a bump is getting because of Komen while I mean Y- It if you were to ask me about I racing before cove it out say a detour it's right there with NBA Two k. Has Support from NASCAR, the fans always kind of accepted it even though it was never that popular now with covert though. I would honestly say a beat here I mean because you have professional drivers in these races in F one, you have professional drivers who stream on twitch who on on a Wednesday. Are streaming them playing I racing, and then on Sunday going and winning races right. So I it's it's a beat here for me. I think during Covid it's for sure that a be right now I think settles in see tear when it's all said and done 'cause I know because I opened up a lot of is to assure open for me, right? Yeah. A hundred percent. If don't I almost want to buy a racing wheel just to mess around with some of these games in in like played I'm sitting on this ultra-wide like I feel like it would look gorgeous on the setup and it makes me WanNa like do that because of what I've seen during. Komen. So yeah, I. Think during covert belongs in be I think it settles in see ultimately as a lower tier tier to eastport. Yeah but still. They don't want wonders for themselves. So still great. So there you have it. That's our tier. It's not set in stone. It can change at any moment you never know when the next big games coming around. But right now I think that's a pretty solid list if you ask me. So. There's that anything else on on the Tier List Newt. No I'm pretty happy with it. I'm surprised we you dug up a lot of games that I didn't know. We're going. To be. On. that. We had help from listeners and things like that so that definitely helped but. You know I I don't see a reason unless you're just a die hard of of these games and you're like unbelievable that they're low or too high or things like that. I think it's I. Think we looked at it from A. Fair stamp point I don't think any of these. We played favorites with. because. Knows? If I. DID HALO would not be on a D. but. Here we are here. All right. Let's get into. Some News. We'll get back to my notes here. All right. So E. News to wrap up this along ash show. Hey, we knew that was going to be the case when we had to do to your list tearless are always long shows We could almost do them as separate episode which make No. Maybe in the future, we just do tearless deficits. All right in Seattle it also doesn't help though you had like twenty five games to go through. that. Definitely. Bumped up the time. See US go. I don't even know how to say that Bub skied joins astrologers and you're probably asking. Is Going on here. Well, they did release Juki. He was on loan not loan, but he was on trial with them. They dropped him picks up above it. This is going to be interesting because he's a player that. is like a up and coming player in now along with him and Drawing a blank on other individual that they just got from heroic was his name Tim I'll be out here. tag. Say this is like. Really. Two very good bench players that are sitting there so Curious to see how they handle it. But of good for good for bulbs getting on at Roster Gi was the one who has issues right? He's banned. No that was A. jammy champion. Okay. Jay In an e somewhere there. Okay. So my point does not make sense. All right. Good. So astrology still keeping in that like eight man roster. Good news though see us go is back because the dream Hack open starts August eighth with Cologne kicking off on the eighteenth. So here in just about two weeks, we will have Colonia. In the meantime we have dreamed action I am so ready for see us go to be back I. Don't give a damn that separate like regions at just ready to wash counterstrike NA. Counterstrike Tournament signed me up. It sounds wonderful cam ready for these rankings to get shuffled around a little bit here it's. Yes, tough looking at it. It's like okay I wanNA see a little bit more normalcy. I want to see the big boys get back on top and just ready some counterstrike new new liquid. There's a lot of fun stuff that we're going to be watching here. in overwatch news I'll bring this one up here because it's a little bit more overwatch at the moment but raucous decides to retire. He hangs up from the overwatch leak, of course. Yet again. Another poster boy for the League Nude. Raucous. A good friend of mine shared a meal with them. Believe it or not had a nice little dinner off the. The Hudson and you think I'm making that up I'm not I literally had dinner with Ruckus in New York Super Nice Guy Super, sweet guy I shit you not. He's either lying to me because he was nice or he legit remembers my team Rainbow Six. I think he. He's like. Whatever you WANNA go with? Because he said he was like Oh you know because I was the only one at the dinner who knew anything and go man you know a lot and I was like, well, I was a semi Perot and Rainbow Six Vegas one and two, and he's like I used to play that all the time what team and I was like operation mini hippo and he's like I remember you guys and I was like. If you're live. We don't take take it and run. So again, though that Shitty for the Overwatch League because again, it's another guy that they sent to the talk show circuit like he was another poster boy. So I don't know where they're going to go to now but. super as the last man standing. Yeah really I mean that's what three out of the World Cup roster is no longer in a leak. So Telling Times. Valette Fun plus. Phoenix is entering the scene and the EU side. Signed a full roster. So they're they're ready to go. They'll be competing in these events pretty soon I can't tell you. The players are on that roster, but they did they did come in with the full roster there. That's all that matters they are there. In, Other News Mitch Martyr joins a defiant ownership group and What do they call it? Ambassador Program for those who don't know he plays for Toronto, Maple leafs. So He's a big time hockey guy and a big time get for defiant. So I don't know if he knows anything about them. Or this. This is more just a business decision to bring in a wildly popular hockey. He was supposed to be the captain of the team long lose a little hockey news for you supposed to be the captain next in line. But then he didn't get a lot of people were pissed off about it so. There's that. But Yeah. So there's that good good again good Toronto. And then. What's this Ao See Yeah this was regarding the US. Army recruiting on twitch that that went into. A vote if failed unfortunately Yeah. This was not just Republican. All the Republicans voted against it it was pretty split between the democratic side. So not enough to to guard. So they are both actually I think back, live on twitch like the navy and Army or both live on twitch up on the point of this for those who don't know it was. A THERE IS A. Democrat I don't know politics Bro the Democrats a group of people were trying to make it to where the army and military forces cannot recruit you. Via twitch. So like we mentioned like they were showing the commercials, they were tricking people get to the website for recruiting purposes and things like that. They try to Nix that that was denied and so it's all back to normal. Now I don't care that they re if they recruit on twitter I, don't want them to do it with like the fake giveaway stuff that fake giveaways that seems a bit silly and I kind. Of like the marine stance on streaming and shit have you heard their stance they said that war is a serious thing and we shouldn't be trying to have fun with it on twitch. I'm paraphrasing but they're the mill the marines pretty much said like we don't have time for that like gets not. You don't WanNa make war look like something fun right? It's like a real thing I respect that I will also say If, I can just be the Debbie Downer here whatever. For these people saying well. A magic because it's their argument is they said, imagine the army trying to recruit your child playing games. The army was in my high school trying to recruit me like. What are you talk like the army is in your school trying to recruit you at a young age. So armee mill, the military I should say was trying to recruit students in my high school during lunch so. The they had a booth at. The Dallas fuel homestand, right but that's just part of guys. Let's. Chill out. Or like that's what they do. They got just don't do it in a shady. Anyway right yeah. Doing because if you're going to if you're going to try to use the excuse of our children. Think of the children. Well then I'm going to throw that right back at you the next time. I. See like some sugary snack advertisement on twitch like imagine this snack company trying to sell your kid this treat loaded down with sugar and cancerous things skin gambling. Right, how `bout? How `bout if your kid is sitting here, watching twitch all day. Military recruitment is the least thing you should be worried about them seeing. Probably, watching simple fake stream right now like how about you just worry about twitch chat and? What the military advertisement play for thirty seconds and move on. All right. So there you have it. There is the show episode two, hundred, Fifty, nine, it is done. It's in the books. Thank you so much for listening. If you are in chat. Thank you. If you listen to the whole thing skipped around stuck around for the whole show. Love you all the same. Hopefully that tearless spar sparked a fire right if you. If you disagree with us, I would love to hear from you and discord. So join our discord you can find the link on twitter at the center ring. The link is there if it's dead. Slide into the DM's, and you can yell on twitter if you. Don't know what you think. Let let share I would love to hear love to hear about it. Right well, thank you so much for following on twitch. Appreciate it. We will be back Sunday night. No. Today Oh God. It's going to be a long week because today. Thought it was Wednesday. We will be back Sunday night to record. Wednesday night. I'm already screwed. We will be back Wednesday Thursday show. So make sure you tune in live on twitch or check the recording on all podcast outlets. That's it. For new. OPTUM we'll see.

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In the News: The Latest from Nerd Street Gamers, Monumental Sports and Entertainment

College Esports QuickTake

03:20 min | 3 months ago

In the News: The Latest from Nerd Street Gamers, Monumental Sports and Entertainment

"Happy February everyone. It's Monday, which means it's time for in the news as we cover new initiatives from number of Gamers and Monumental sports and entertainment. I'm a dreams and this is the ecology Sports quick take from E Sports Network. Let's start with Monumental some e sports fans may not be familiar with the name Monumental was one of the overarching brand names that has less well-known that many of the companies under its management Monumental Sports entertainment is the company behind the Washington Wizards in the NBA the Washington Mystics in the WNBA and the Washington Capitals in the NHL in Esports. They back wizard District gaming the Wizards NBA 2K team and cats gaming the NHL gaming Squad, but the biggest pack a day owning a sports is axiomatic gaming the parent company of Team Liquid. So it's safe to say this is one of the most important companies in sports or e-sports and with the combined assets. It's one of the most important in birth. It just isn't as public-facing as each of its individual properties last week Monumental announced a partnership with the University of North America to build out an e Sports curriculum complete with internships and jobs don't experienced by a Monumental is properties. Now, the release doesn't mention liquid. So students probably aren't being flown across the Atlantic but they will work with Wizards and caps gaming. There will also be a focus on health and wellness with you o n a z e Sports students able to utilize the health resources that are used by Monumental pro sports teams. Finally. There'll be a Community Focus opening more opportunities for underprivileged communities across Washington DC area to have access to gaming and Esports experience for people in that area. This is something to be on the lookout for and four people in Philadelphia Nursery Gamers has a new initiative. That's what you got for as well. It's not really College Esports or even high school, but energy is partnering with Philadelphia Parks and Rec on an e sports program. The partnership will start with hosted Community tournaments in NBA 2K. Rocket League FIFA and Madden over time according to the Esports Observer. They will expand into summer camps and eventually into after-school programs Philly is one of the biggest cities in the country meaning they have a lot of parks and rec program be on the lookout for more of these types of Partnerships over this year and next. They're only becoming more common. We've already seen the British Columbia school system partner with game setting which was acquired by a verse one final quick-hit from Pennsylvania. The Pennsylvania interscholastic e Sports Association has just recently opened its registration for the 2021 season in rocket league in OverWatch. Now, I'm against covering news because of the rapid expansion of all these tournament organizers. It's getting a little exhausting. I can't keep up with all their schedules but having more Regional Focus, which is what this one is really makes a lot of sense home instead of competing with ten other companies for overall expansion across the u.s. At once p i e a is focused specifically on Pennsylvania. I think that's a smart call and I think we see more wrong. All governing bodies open up as they're able to do a better job becoming part of a community unlike a massive National Organization that might not be familiar with the rules of Michigan out. For example, it's all freeze up sort of the ecology Sports quick take I'll be back tomorrow of classes in session covering a new academic study focused on gaming and or e-sports.

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#A336 (awash to awestruck) ft. David C.

The Dictionary

26:49 min | 1 year ago

#A336 (awash to awestruck) ft. David C.

"Hello Word nerds welcome to my podcast called the dictionary. The only podcast. That is some idiot reading the dictionary. Serving yourself itself too much credit there. Spencer thank you. You are absolutely correct. That voice is David you have heard him on what to episodes. I think think so episodes woods. Awhile back I finally got him back in the studio to record more But this is the role was begging. Yes he was both of us. I think at different times. Okay can I be on the podcast or can you record. In the time you never worked out so we finally met at work This is the first one that he's going to be on with the new new format with guests. You longtime listeners. Already know what that new form it is so let us get into it. Happy to be expensive. Happy to have you you you will make this much more interesting than just be. Be Me by myself Right our first word is a wash A. W. A. S. H.. Every once in a while I might ask you if you have a connection to this word or I didn't tell you this before. If you have something to say. Go ahead and interrupt me. I might be a wash in enjoy for the day right. That would be a problem. You Act like you're always awash with joy. This is an adjective from eighteen. Thirty thirty one one A. Alternately covered and exposed by wave's ORG tied one be washing about an a synonym for that. One is afloat afloat. We all float down here. One C covered with water. Synonym is flooded to filled covered or completely overrun as if by a flood. I sense a theme. We have an example. A movie awash in sentimentality. So it's it's really completely overrun. Is really quick. Way To look at the. Yeah yeah basically with slight variations in each one all right next we have the word away away. It is What am I trying to say? It's the first form of to this. One is an adverb from before the twelfth century one on the way synonym is along as in get away early. Get away early. That's a weird example. Something more like Spencer's Spencer's intellect. went away when he decided to do this. PODCAST or it found its way over good to say and you can put at that Mike just a little bit closer. If you there's Oh there it is that all right on Barry White level now much better and I'm going to lower this a tad see David has a wonderful voice Let's see number two four. Well not not as good Number two from this or that place. That's fun as in. Go Way go from this or that place. That reminded me of the Dr Seuss Book. Oh the places you'll go although it didn't have the word away in it so that doesn't make sense three in a secure place or manner as in locked away where we three beep in in another direction as in look away or the balloon when up up and away. Yup that's what it did Let's see now. We have number four out of existence to an end as in echoes dying away. That was very poetic echoes. dying-away it sounds like a band that would be a good band name I don't call dibs on that. So if you want that band name go ahead and take it Number five from one's possession as in gave away a fortune. That's very generous of that person. I think Number six steadily on word word and a synonym is. I don't think I've ever seen this form of this word uninterruptedly uninterruptedly that's a long adverb. Uninterruptedly yeah wow sounds made up. It does Let's see we have an example clock's ticking away or or clock's ticking uninterruptedly number seven by a long distance or interval synonym is far as in a way back in nineteen gene ten and that was a hundred and ten years ago. You can literally say a way back instead of way back Chur. The dictionary says it's Legal Eagle. That's that's the end-all right. It's the Word Bible per se. It is it's the word bill all right now. We have the second form of a way. It is an adjective from the fourteenth century. One absent from a place. Synonym is gone as in a way for the weekend. Spencer do you ever kind of reflect on some of these words perhaps being spoken for the first time when sound was I made. Have you come across any any as so far in your podcast. Where a word really evokes a sound or annoys people make that kind of is the origin region story to that word or do we get that specific in this Well it gives the year which is the first known usage in English and it will also give the etymology which I'll often read which will give you the other languages that the word came from home right which could often Latin or Greek Middle English French. I've seen Portuguese and different things like that Other than that. I mean that's like the earliest sound Eddie gives and if it doesn't tell me I don't know that's interesting because only word that I come up with that you've probably already covered. Robert R a h like. That's a word. Of course. The origin might have come from someone going and actually blurting out a sound and then you know just kinda sticks. Yeah I mean that gets into the whole creation of language in general I mean and that's we're not delving. Maybe that'll be my next podcast. We'll talk about language. You're going to have to the payment for the creative idea on that one if money. That's right and we have it recorded right here. So Yeah I've got the proof. I can delete the file. You can't you know I would give you one tenth of one percent. Thank you all right number two four away which is an adjective active distant in space or time as in a lake ten miles away also as in this season is two months away the season. Isn't it I guess People say that okay. The holiday season is two months away. What are we talking about? Number three played on an opponent's grounds as in Home and away games. Did you play sports. I did play sports. I played football And I actually was pretty very good football. I mean I actually started off or years I was on the line. That is the offensive line left guard. I could spring bring a lot of people are like. Oh aren't you receiver or a tight end but I'm bomb based on my height and the fact that CMS's which is Chicago Pollen Sports Association. I did play organized flag football which is a little more intense than just flag football. But I played that what about ten years ago and we want to championship here in Chicago. It's LGBT kind of LGBT community. Sports so it's really that kayaking I did a bit. I think I played one or no. Maybe three years in little league but quit when I hit a home run in forgot to touch I when I rounded the bases so stupid and installed out. Well I mean why wouldn't they let a kid right right lease the I remember the unpleasant my church. He didn't like me. Who is three or four years older discontinued enlighten me? Basically they had a kid UMP not an adult dump was it was. It was sorry he was he must have been older. I I'm reflecting that it was around fourth or fifth grade and I think he had just started high school. So that obviously has burned into my Memory Bank traumatic for you. Yes it was. I played aide. Cyo Catholic Youth Organization basketball. Now's the only Protestant on our team. I don't think I should be allowed. Protestants in there they did they did. There weren't enough Catholics at the time to go for. Cyo If you were a good Catholic basketball player you played for the school. If you were a bad basketball player or the non-catholic that wanted to play and also bad or not so good. You play like I did And so when you played kayaking did you ever have any away games. It's it's just so just the worst Spencer let's go on. That was very incorrect. All right and then the last definition for away which which again is an adjective is about baseball? It just has the synonym out as to away in the ninth. So if you've ever heard them say that that's what they're talking talking about. Awareness is a noun and now we have an abbreviation it is a wd all lower case And that stands for all wheel-drive next we have what's so funny about all wheel drive. I love how random the dictionary once you really get into it right. You're like you're telling me right. Well all right no but I. I've had the same thought because you'll be reading a whole bunch of words that seem related and then all of a sudden. There's a word that seems to come out of nowhere but it's not because because it's alphabetical. Write the book is written. ABC Darrien which is a word. I learned in one of my earliest episodes one more quick question midstream. Yeah is there an and and origin country that seems to be a vast majority so far in this early point come through as so not so much a country but a language yeah It would be either Latin or Greek right those it for for English word right right The vast majority of them come from Latin. Or Greek right. Yeah makes sense An English is weird. Because it's partly a romance language which were the Latin comes from like Spanish Italian infringe. We've I've talked about this with other people before And then I don't I guess the other part comes from Greek but I don't know I I have to learn a little bit more about that but yeah Latin and Greek are definitely the the most Speaking of our next word is aw a w e this is the first form of two to and I I'm I'm sneaking head are etymology. Says it's from a middle English but there's a little bit more which will get into. This is a noun from the thirteenth century. Tree won an emotion variously combining dread veneration and wonder that is inspired by authority or by the sacred or sublime as has in stood in awe of the king also is in regard nature's wonders with awe or you can imagine somebody in the twelve hundreds. I said oh I would literally just going to say that this is a perfect example of one of those words makes a sound. You're you're you're awed by something your mouth opens and you go on whatever sound that comes up. That's that's that's a word that seems like it has come from possibly a sound right. Yeah it is. It is a part of of a word that I have overused my life awesome. Awesome as a as a gen-x freak. I mean I say Awesome excellent excellent awesome and go back and forth between the two. It's also in another one of your favorite words which I called out a number of episodes ago auspices or office under the auspices of thank you again. That shoot. That is awesome that you would bring that up. But it's right there at the beginning of the word even though. It's not spelled the same way logs. I'm using it right I think so. So let's see I was gonna say something else are going to ask. Oh what was that phrase shock and awe that was a phrase. The shock-and-awe was originally originally. From what I remember it was when we bombed God was it when we bombed Baghdad was wasn't isn't it the wasn't it the kind of the Bush administration's like the second sheer the second Bush. Yeah right the second Bush shock and awe yeah. I don't remember the details because as I mentioned I don't follow closely enough to politics but yeah it was around. Maybe two thousand or so spencer. Let me tell you I am so old that they they might be referring to the Gulf War. One the first US I believe they did look and maybe someone out there can can correct me. If if I'm wrong or or support you know me with more evidence as such. I think I think it was used well since you are forty years older than send me that. That's a joke. By the way since you are so much older than me you would remember more from the first Gulf War youthful eighty five year old sounding very youthful very youthful full. Only a few white hairs I. I don't specifically remember them saying shock-and-awe at that time but I was also like ten or eleven right but I do remember it at during the Second Gulf War right so but again right. We don't know some reason. I remember Rumsfeld saying it a lot much like when he was saying. Is We know what we don't know we don't know right. Don't know yeah. I know what we might not know anybody who lived through that that second Gulf war absolutely absolutely probably remember shock-and-awe But we we've talked plenty about that. We are going to move onto the number two definition for the first form of the word which is a noun. It is archaic Or both definitions for two are archaic. I we have to a synonyms are dread and terror will. Those are wrong than if the definitions are archaic. I mean we've gotTa make definition here. It's just giving us all the possibly used definitions for this word. People used to use it for dread and terror. But I guess they don't anymore Let's see to be the power to inspire dread good times. Ara says this is as I said Middle English from the old norse. We don't usually see that one The word Oggy A. G.. I I don't know how to pronounce that. And it is akin to the old English word E G E E or Ige AG-. I don't know that means. Aw and it is also from the Greek word. Akos A. C. H. O. S. which means pain like ow that hurts. I have the pain while they're here. We go into origin of words. Like ouch that has to Durham from there. Sorry to skip ahead to the OS. No no no that. Ah that I would say that. That is here but I absolutely would not be surprised if those are connected. Because don't you instinctually say ouch. If you if you're hurt in the moment you're a it's almost like you're just again just saying a noise and it's actually turned into a word right which I'm sure ouch is in here. But yeah that's one of those that that comes from just a a guttural sound visceral sound right and I'd be curious to know if other languages have a different word for Ouch But I don't know have have to look into that a good point also I wanted to go back to something you had Described here you describe some of the words coming from Middle English Are Have you ever come across Beginning or end English. Well it'll it'll have We'll even in this one. It's middle English and then also old English. That's that E. G. E. Word. That was old English so so what is Middle English. I don't know you're asking the wrong person. It's just it's just different please. Don't don't say it. They're just different different times when English was used. And I think that there are There was a change in the language Between old English and middle English something happening the link to change and there was a specific point. And then I guess I don't know if there's a newer English that's not the one that we're speaking now but that's after middle English or I guess what I'm asking. Yeah that all looks like maybe we can do some some Studying on that and come up with some answers on your leased these your next episode. Because I'm surely not going to be on your next episode Shirley you need to you you only take me in spades here people. You can only handle so much David. This is true no we cannot do any more study on that topic that that is all we can say But I will say there are other ones that will also say like middle or old like other like old Irish or their old high German. You'll see that right right. Yeah the other languages have that same type of Germans `goodstone. Wow visit family friendly pie. All right we're going to move. On to the second second form of all it is a transitive verb from the thirteenth century to inspire with awe as in we were awed by the beauty of the mountains and Yeah that I have absolutely been awed by the beauty of mountains and landscapes like Iceland and New Zealand. And it's just insanely beautiful beautiful. It's really hard when you're driving because you wanna just stare at the landscape well and you and here's the other part of that. I mean really. I mean think about this Spencer if you AH end up looking out your window and saying to your wife I am awed by that show. Probably look at you like. Oh you're using that word on purpose because nobody ever uses that now yeah yeah that she would be weirded out if I use the word. Aw Have you been using words as I've learned. Yeah and and surprising people and do they give you kind of quirky looks or not so. I won't really use them out of context or or basically I'll. I'll preface it by saying here's here's a word. I learned well reading the dictionary. or I'll say the word and then I'll say that's a word I recently learned in the dictionary. Nice okay next we have. Do you consider that cheating Spencer cheating. Not Everybody has a dictionary that they go to. Everybody has a knack has access to a dictionary as big difference between mean access and use. Well you have full on use here yet. Well you know if they choose not to look at their dictionary which is available everywhere then. That's their fault. I'd be in awe of their decision not to me too. All right you know but I think that they instead of looking at themselves they should just listen to this. PODCAST good good. That's good self promotion. Yeah all right next. We have a weary. It's the word weary with an a at the beginning. It is an adjective from fifteen thirty. Seven it is archaic and it means being weary sure is archaic. I've never heard it a weary what it's like a flame We have a weather so again. It's the word weather. But within a at the beginning it is an adverb from fifteen ninety nine on or toward the weather or windward wind word side and then it says compared to the word alley or Alii A. L. E. E.. Are you familiar with that word. Not at all he. I must have read it a long time ago. But I don't remember what it means next. We have a wed a w. e.. It is an adjective from fifteen ninety two and it means showing. Aw Aw as in a WED respect. Why did they not put archaic or obsolete on this one because do people still use this word? Yeah well that brings up another question Spencer. A percentage wise. How many of these words do you think that you've covered since you started today are actually really used? I mean do you have a a running total in your head. That's kind of an average percentage. Should you know what maybe when I get to the bees. I'll I'll start that I I. I would say in terms of my familiarity with the words and maybe even probably less than fifty percent right. I'm I'm familiar with. But now the the analytical side of me wants to know do that so thank you for that suggest lad to for the back pocket that whether or not I do it is another question all right next week for all of US Spencer. What's that isn't that the truth for all right next we have away so A W E H. It is an adjective from sixteen seventy raised just clear of the bottom and it is used of an anchor anchor away And I think they've been spelling that wrong on every play bill. And every other thing that describes Anchor away how would they spelling it. Awa Y you have never seen anchors away. Written anchors away W. E. I g. h.. Well Committee 'cause they're show called anchors away or a song or something like that. I just have seen that. Yeah for. I'm so old I've seen that everywhere in anywhere. Maybe they were. Maybe that was a purposeful misspelling. I don't know there's no way you can't tell me you've seen away spelled lighter way. Yeah you seen a W. E. I. Yeah in general in Buffalo. Yeah I must be living in a cave. Well you downtown Chicago. You can add this one to the list of words that you are not familiar with the long list. He tell me about it all right next. We have all less. So it's one word eight W. E. L. E. S. S. And it could also so be spelled with out of the east so A. W. L. E. S. S.. This is an adjective from the fourteenth century. I think we can guess what this probably means number one one feeling no. Aw Number. Two is obsolete inspiring. No see the problem here. Though is the word awful is bad bad so you'd automatically assume all list should mean joyful great wonderful right you know. That is a very good point. Awful is actually the first word of our next episode but there is no e. It's not a W. E. F. U. L. it's just a W. F. U. L.. So I wonder if there's something going on there right 'cause I was GonNa and say you WanNa maybe leave Sort of dangling carrot for your listeners to to think about your awful yeah no you're right because usually usually if something if the full suffix there he's like oh you'd think it's full like a non English speaker would say oh awful means it's full of awe positive visually positive positive thing right but that is absolutely not what that word means. Screw the suffix stuff. I know this is family friendly. So you know I won't No more no more words like high and such right screw them but so yes all less. But you know good point ain't all less means no off and oh here's your favorite word awesome. It is an adjective from fifteen ninety eight one expressive of all as in awesome tribute to a inspiring off as in an awesome task. To be we just have the synonyms terrific horrific and extraordinary or as some people like to say extra ordinary. I like to go back to one thousand nine hundred eight and say totally awesome dude and see the looks I'd get. Oh nobody eighty would understand what you're saying. We have an example for this to be one. It's bad what's part for the course par for the course yes Had An awesome time awesome. Lee is an adverb. Herb and Awesomeness is a noun at this word has definitely the the definition has definitely changed over the years I'd say in the last fifty years or less Right you know you look at your parents or your grandparents and they would use the word awesome but definitely different than what us young young younger kids I. I saw my parents start using that word in the eighties just to sort of connect with us because they were hearing it everywhere and anywhere I know and it became more of a slang word. Yeah it was very I think. Awesome in my experience was sort of related to like tubular like valley role. Talk exactly exactly me too. That's when it just be the word awesome. The use of it became unhinged in like eighty three and onward. Yes I think it's still overused. I I over use it I think I over here too. That's true that's true But yeah when the older generations when they would use it it was literally the something that inspires awe. That was that's how they set it up so any of you young kids out there you'll learn something all right. Are you ready for our last word. It for this episode are very long episode. It is off struck a W. E. S. T. R. U. C. K.. Also off stricken. I've I've never heard that before. It is an adjective from sixteen thirty four and it means filled with awe. I am off stricken by how much we talked about about these words. So you have to pick a word of the episode Do you want me to read through them quickly to remind you what they were or do you know what you like. Well Oh boy. That's that's That's a tough one okay. Let's go back to awesome. That's your word that's my Kinda. I figured you might pick that one all right. Well that is the end of this episode. Thank you to David for being my guest. I like this new format it's much more conversational and fun and and David do. You have any connection to January tenth. Which is the day that this is? Aaron no connection other than I hope I'm alive in three days. I think the chances are pretty good. Chances are pretty good pretty. No where's the wooden here cannot on your head Spencer solve just well. I'll not not for you. This has been very fun. And you know for you to kind of corral me and keep me at minimal commentary level is I really masterful. There's no corralling you and how much you WanNa talk if you WanNa hear somebody who talks a lot though to the January first episode where. My brother-in-law mark was on and and That man can talk and I love listening to him. You the two of you should get together and chatted out. Sounds like an awesome guy. He is and so are you. And so we're all love you listeners. Thank you for listening and until next time. This is Some dummy and David reading the dictionary. Thank you and goodbye.

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A Cultural Blitzkrieg and North Dakota's Trans Failure

The Charlie Kirk Show

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A Cultural Blitzkrieg and North Dakota's Trans Failure

"Hey everybody this episode is brought to you by my friends at express. Vpn express vpn dot com slash. Charlie secure your device anonymous. Your online activity protect your action online express. Vpn dot com slash. Charlie help our show out by also helping yourself protect yourself express. Vpn dot com slash. Charlie hey everybody there's a cultural blitzkrieg happening in our country right now and for whatever reason another. Republican governor has refused to listen to their voters and the state legislature in the state senate when it comes to these trans gender bills. We spent our whole episode on this topic. And it's very important. I'd love to hear from you. Your thoughts on this freedom at charlie kirk dot com and if you want to support program which is reaching millions of young people with the truth every single month. Please go to charlie kirk dot com slash support on a think norman from texas for your generous support. I wanna thank. 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We are lucky to have charlie. Charlie cuts running the white house. Folks i want thank jollies. An incredible guy his spirit. His love of this country's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organisations ever created turning point. Usa we will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives and we are going to fight for freedom campuses across the country. That's why we are here. I am fired up a lot. I wanna talk about. And i saw something that really set me off and i've i've actually become very in control of my temper. The last couple of years. I was north dakota two days ago hosted by a phenomenal group of people people who love their country. We had a sold out. Event at the bell. Which is the largest venue in. Beautiful bismark. north dakota. I was hosted by a group called. The north dakota conservative advocates phenomenal group of people scott hannan. Who helps run the radio network. In north dakota the flag was a phenomenal host. And we had a great time. We are also at rebroadcast at our show. Actually couple days go from university of mary. We had a incredible attendance at the bell. Standing-room-only probably the largest political event. In bismarck of the year for north dakota to have nearly a thousand people. I've been told that's a very big deal. We were talking about a lot of different things. And what are the topics that came across was. Why is it that. Republican governors and republican leaders are not honoring their commitment to their voters. And so i was made aware by some of the activists from the north dakota conservative advocates. That they were a couple of bills in front of the north dakota legislature comments on one of them which was a bill that would not allow the governor of north dakota to issue a mask mandate i calmly ask the governor in front of all of the the activists the grassroots of north dakota to to sign this bill to limit. Government's emergency powers met with a standing ovation. I did not know that. The governor of north dakota governor. Doug burgum who. I've met before very nice guy very pleasant. I met him at the republican national convention in two thousand sixteen. I believe when he was thinking of running running for governor could be wrong and might have been this anyway to relevant. I've met him a couple years ago. I did not know that there is a bill that was on his desk. That was a very simple bill to protect female sports. That's simple saying that. If you are a man who all of a sudden has a gender change. You are not allowed to compete in female sports last evening late last evening as soon as i have left. The state of north dakota and our event had ended and the potential for national criticism might have passed. Governor burgum vetoed that bill. The governor of north dakota has made a public signal to all of you that he does not believe that women's sports are worthy of protection. Governor burgum is has basically said he does not think men and women exist. It's merely a construct. That's the message he's sending all of you. And this is a pattern that we are seeing from these corporate republicans that are vetoing these bills and let me say something. I'm going to dive into this in great detail. Because the people of north dakota i connected with you on such a personal level in the last couple of days. And i could see your anxiety. I could sense your frustration and we were able to build a coalition of positive energy to try to take north dakota in the right direction and your governor just betrayed you and he did it right in your eyes and i feel involved in this because spending a couple of days there i would have commented on this but of course he waited till we left. Maybe there's no correlation there but in a state like north dakota. I refuse to believe that. So governor burgum who by the way sold his company to microsoft and his friends with bill gates. Just think about that one. He vetoed this bill because he says quote to date. There is not a single recorded incident of a transgender girl. Attempting to play in the north dakota girls team North dakota today has a level playing field in fairness in girls sports and he says he trust the north dakota high school sports association. So governor burgum is basically saying. I trust some sort of app. Some some bureaucracy to enforce. It's not the way the rest of the country is going well. Governor burgum is probably owned by a tale of corporations he just welcomed amazon into fargo and i went on scott. Henin's radio show north dakota and i said that if they welcome amazon into their state they are going to control public policy decisions and this is one example of that for example governor. Burgum says well. There's there's no examples of this right. We'll just neighboring. North is the big sky conference. Did you know that the female athlete of the week from the big sky conference not too long ago was a man who thought he was a woman. Just change gender. This person is named june eastwood formerly known as jonathan eastwood transition and starts to beat all these women in women's sports and then of course was named the big sky conference athlete of the week. So governor burgum obviously is not aware that are opportunistic men that have gender dysphoric and mental issues that are changing their gender destroy women's sports. He does not believe women are necessary of protect. They don't he doesn't believe that they are worthy of protection stat. Governor burgoyne believes that he wants to pander the corporate class and here's the excuse he gave. What would it just. Gross statement quite honestly. This bill would unnecessarily inject the state into a local issue by creating a ban with a myriad of unforeseen consequences. He's talking like a corporate libertarian. You see we as conservatives believe in the natural law the laws of nature and nature's god as the declaration of independence clearly says if the state is good for anything it's good for protecting the chemical castration of children governor asa hutchinson or enforcing biological gender standards for women and for men. But there's something deeper going on here that everyone is missing the state legislatures keep on putting these bills on these governors desks. You see the state. Legislatures are the closest to their voters. These state legislatures aren't they're not just cooking these things up and they're failing and committee. They are enthusiastically getting voted on in fact the north dakota state legislature house. This past sixty nine to twenty five in the of representing the house a house representatives or the state house. I should say house bill. One two nine eight north dakota so the state legislative house. They're listening to their constituents. They're responding to them. The state senate passed at twenty seven to twenty but governor. Burgum is deciding that the sixty-nine members of the house who represent their voters and the twenty-seven members of the senate. The he knows better than them. Governor burgum is the latest in this trend of corporate republicans who are perfectly fine witnessing and overseeing the moral decline of america as long as they keep on getting invited a cocktail parties with jeff bezos. Bill gates. governor burgum is not a republican acer. Hutchinson is not a republican. These are corporate lobbyists that are indifferent to the most important issues of our time. Such as what is a man and what a woman we're just getting warmed up. I promise with the ever. Increasing numbers of makes fiat kia and models. It is now impossible to all the parts. You need an traditional chain store front. Why endure often pointless or seemingly intimidating questioning and wait while the countermand orders. 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Catalog is unique and remarkable easy to navigate. Could see all the parts available for your vehicle. Choose the brand specifications and prices. You prefer go to rocket dot com right now to see all the parts available for your car or truck right. Charlie kirk and they're how'd you hear about us. Section amazing selection reliable prices all the parts. Your car will ever need. Rock auto dot com. So the governor of north dakota doug burgum vetoed a bill that was enthusiastically passed by the north dakota house and the north dakota senate. The aclu which is an anti-american organization within our own country refuses to hold the biden administration. Accountable says quote. It was thrilled with governor burgum decision of veto this bill. If the aclu is ever thrilled with what you've done when it comes to these issues you're probably not a republican so the aclu says quote. Nobody wins when politicians try to meddle in people's lives like this. Nobody wins when we try to code discrimination like the so i have a proposition. We should remove the age requirement for high school sports. We should allow thirty five year old people to go play high school sports. If there is no prerequisite to have standards for athletic competition we should allow people that used to be varsity athletes that want to relive their glory days to go play high school football to play high school basketball to go back into swim. Meets if it's if there is this idea of standards the why any standards at all whatsoever for example the organization is the north dakota high school association. Who's to say. What a high schoolers. How dare you. it's my truth. Age is just a paradigm age is just a number. We create time. Time is not anything that is actually real. Time is up the mystics. Just because i've been on this planet longer doesn't mean that. I should be disenfranchised from reliving my college basketball days. What's the difference but governor. Burgum doesn't believe that any sort of standards are necessary and so governor burgum is. Rationale is while there's no one here yet. Well first of all there will be an so when it comes. I want all of you. North dakota and across the country to remember when female sports in north dakota is destroyed. Remember this moment when the aclu gives a standing ovation governor burgum. 'cause like well we don't want to inject the state into these form standards. Now here's the. I shouldn't have to do this. Part of the segment. But let me just do this. Part of the segment the slower. People that work governor burnham's office. This is a fair. i know this is. This is a very obvious thing but let me just go through this women again. This is a study done by the journal of applied physiology. Did you know that women exhibit about forty percent less upper body strength and thirty three percent less lower body strengthen men i know this is a shocking thing for most people a two thousand six study in the journal revealed that men had stronger grips than women. In general men are also faster than women. The fastest woman in the world florence griffith griffith joyner ran the one hundred meter dash in ten point. Four nine seconds and in nineteen eighty eight. That record remains unbroken yet. Her fastest time wouldn't have been qualified her for the men's two thousand sixteen olympic competition. I know this is shocking. Thing for people but men are faster and stronger and have more muscle mass than women literally have the numbers to support that and so should there be standards for anything. And how are we able to find these standards. Will this idea and this. Excuse that we're getting from these. Republican governors like governor burgum as hutchinson. Who's just a completely worthless by the way asa hutchinson and arkansas is. Well we we don't like using state power for this stuff we don't want to our power. What if i told you you not clarifying standards is an abuse of power. What if i told you doing nothing when something. Evil is occurring is an abusive power. Your moral indifference to this issue. Is you abusing the power that the voters gave you but this is not even about sports actually at something a lot bigger. There's a reason why the state legislative houses keep putting these bills on these governors desks. It's because they actually have to go home and walk through the grocery stores and walk through the communities that they serve or these governors are escorted in private chauffeured vehicles and they have no idea. The wants needs and concerns of the states. They actually represent becoming a governor in america seems as if as just basically being a spokesperson for the united states of commerce all they care about his job development all they care about his business and there's a really interesting moment here. We have a collision course between the state legislative. Houses and the governor's mansion. What's going on here what's going on. It's the state legislative in state senate houses houses of power. They're the ones that listen to their voters. Because if they don't they're not going to be there any longer where these governors they listen to their donors. These governors like governor. Burgum is in a love affair with amazon who just built a massive facility and fargo north dakota and governor burgum the worst thing that could happen him as upsetting bill gates and the tech companies. What is this really about. And why are leader so afraid. Who's in charge. Look by now. You've all heard me talk about mypillow. 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It'd be one thing if the state legislatures weren't moving on these issues it'd be one thing if the state legislatures like we don't want to deal with it but when you have a singular governor in the state like arkansas and state like north dakota and even in arizona. I don't understand why governor ducey vetoed a bill saying parents should have a right to be able to know what their children are learning in public schools when it comes to sexuality and gender fluidity and this transgender nonsense that is spreading our country. Tv though that bill not sure why is that the people are with us. You see the corporate board rooms have run the republican party for years and governor burgum then governor hutchinson are great examples of that but now the kitchen table is going to run the republican party and these governors that have been appointed and have been spokespeople for the united states chamber of commerce that are creatures of these tech companies. They're kind of confused. Why when they run to the hills in an act of cowardice that they're not applauded for that so here's why none of this is actually about sports. I go through story after story. There's an enemy story. There's a connecticut high school story here for you on the livestream you look. Here's a man that's literally like fifty yards ahead of the competition and a women's track event. That's a man who son decided to think he was a woman. Actually we have a clip from here. Laura ingram had that clip. I'll let laura ingraham tells us best play tape. What happened to you that made you feel like you were being treated unfairly. I lost out on countless opportunities to get placements get titles and qualify for further meets to display my talents to college coach. Did you actually lose competitions to meets to male athlete biological males every single meet. That have competed against them. So that four total or more countless times so countless times. Well we probably could cowboys. We'll say it's a lot a lot. Strutted i remember when that segment actually happened. I was on moore show the next evening and so every time the biological man who thought he was a woman in connecticut competed against these young ladies. He won but this is not about sports. Obvious the sports issue. It would just take a little bit of courage. Here's what it's about. The reason why the state legislatures are passing these bills. It's because decent americans see their beloved country they see it being ruled by an oligarchy of nihilists. Who wants to impose a corrosive agenda on your way of life put. Simply the american people want leaders that will act as bodyguards as a measure of defense against the cultural blitzkrieg. That we're living through right now. We are living through a shock and awe campaign where they are trying to make you submit run into your bunker and hope you do not get taken out in the collateral damage. It's suffocating our way of life. But decent americans like the amazing people in north dakota or where i was in ohio. They turned to me because they still remember a time. When americans have something different in our spirit and they say charlie. We want to do something about this. We're not happy just to be called all these names and have to sit down and take it we're americans. What do we do next. Anne americans across the country the people. The kitchen tables not the corporate boardrooms. They know that an american value. Is that how you deal with an attack. You counterattack you fortify your forces and you must have a proportional response and so the north dakota state legislature says okay. You're going to veto all these bills when it comes to men and women competition. We're going to play offense but the governor of north dakota and the governor of arkansas. They're perfectly fine. Looking at america as a colony now does a country so when there is a man who decides to go compete in women's sports in north dakota. There could've been an opportunity to protect women sports forever but it's not just about sports. It's about america. The promise america the gift slipping out of the fingers of people who have done everything they've been told to do out of people that go to church raise their families and they say you know what our way of life is now being strangled out. So what can we do. Well the founding fathers gave us a mechanism to do something about this. The founding fathers gave us a representative representative system of government. I asked this to young people. Time i say what was the american revolution about it was about consent. So if you want something done you show up and you vote. The north dakota citizens have done that. Arkansas citizens have done that. The kansas citizens have done that and by the way. This north dakota governor is alone. The governor of kansas a democrat. She's unlikely to sign the fairness and women's sports act as well because she says it's anti progressive or regressive legislation this word progressive. I find to be. I chuckled when i see that. So governor laura kelly who's a democrat of kansas. Who never should have been elected governor of kansas. So let me get this straight if we if we decriminalize legalized pedophilia. Would you sign that into law. Because it's progressive is all progress. Good should we make an idol out of progress. Some progress is helpful like abolishing abortion. Some progress is really bad for example in cambridge massachusetts. They now legally recognized three men being fathers of one child. Progress right who cares. We're just gonna oversee the moral decline of the country as long as we have amazon in our state. That's what's important. What's important is all this plastic from china and destroying our small businesses. But at least hey. I got to buy an extra home in aspen is with the ruling class says and then again i want to reinforce this. Here's the positive of this. The people are not going to tolerate this anymore. Just governor burgum realized how replaceable he is does. H hudson realized how replaceable he is would. Don't have some sort of special skill set. in fact you've been an awful governor of north dakota terrible. We'll find somebody else you know. It's really funny. Donald trump changed the republican party forever because donald trump was a bodyguard. He protected us. Donald trump listened to his voters and he never betrayed a promise of his voters ever. He has more integrity than every single one of these leaders combined because for him he knows the people who sent them there. He knew why he was there. Donald trump knew who you worked for. Donald trump understood representative government more than anything else. The people who are in charge they feel this entitlement to thwart the will the voters when a bill passes the state house. Sixty nine to twenty five. You should probably take notice as a narrow vote. That's not just scraping by it's a big deal. Let's get to some sound here. Let's go to cut here. You know play play tape well when we get down to it. Women and girls all share a biological reality. We are all female but if any man if any male person can call himself a woman or legally identify as female then predatory men will do so in order to gain access to women's single sex spaces and this puts every woman and girl at risk that was. I think it was on your bret. Baier or on laura ingraham show might actually fox news at night if our leaders are not going to protect our. Our women's sports are female sports than who will the voters want that the voters are demanding it. This is an act of treachery. And so how do you deal with this. What's the proper proportional response exactly what the state legislature has done in these states across the country. The republican party is changing for the better. The republican party is no longer going to be a party of prophet worshiping. It's no longer going to be a party of idolizing the corporate boardroom. I care much more about the kitchen. Table values than the corporate boardroom values. That is the distinction. I care much more about whether or not a fourteen year. Old girl and bismarck north dakota or fourteen year old girl in arkansas. We're in. Arizona is able to play in women's sports without having their dreams and their ambitions crush. And that's just the beginning of the problem by the way this goes into a whole nother issue of moral relativism. My truth your by your biology is set. Very simply by your chromosomes. If the government cannot have very clear rules for the road on that issue the what good is our government and the answer is the only good our government is is to serve the wants. Interests and needs of businesses behaved our values. That's what it's for and these businesses are now running our government. I wanna read this quote from governor burgum. He says quote. The bill would unnecessarily inject the state and the local issue by creating a band with a myriad of unforeseen consequences unforeseen consequence. You mean having women's sports the way it's been. Where are the feminists on this issue by the way. Where's nancy pelosi. And the people that told us that we need massive dramatic action to protect female. Sports protect females in our country. What is the woman. What is a woman. I can answer that question. The corporate class democrats and governor burgum can't and their excuse in their indifference on this issue is very telling it's basically there signaling to the rest of the country. I'm either afraid to take this fight. I'm okay with this massive corrosive deconstruction deconstruction of the american promise experiment. It's an act of treachery. How do you deal with treachery. You expose it you talk about it and you don't tolerate it but here's the good news i want to reinforce the good news everybody. These leaders are replaceable. They're only there because we put them there. The people are with us. This is a ninety ten issue. Not even it's a ninety five issue especially in north dakota. It's a ninety nine to one issue. Not exactly where. I think the transgender movement thought they were gonna get a win the dancing right now in the streets because the aclu now says we'll have. We can win in north dakota weaken when everywhere. But that's okay. The people are with us. We just have to find leaders at aren't cowardly like governor rhonda santa's we have to find leaders. That are willing to do what they say they're going to do. Listen to the voters and then enact their wishes because if our leaders are not going to act as bodyguards against this cultural blitzkrieg then who will that is where the republican party needs to be browsed. An mode it's probably not as incognito as you think and why would it be incognito mode like the chrome browser itself is a google product and google has made its fortune my tracking our movements online. There's even a five billion dollar class action lawsuit against the company in california. Were accused of secretly collecting user data. Google defense incognito does not mean invisible. So how do you actually make yourself as invisible as possible online expressed vpn turns out that even incognito mode your online activities still gets tracked and data brokers still get to buy and sell your data one of these data points in your ip address data. Harvesters use your ip to uniquely identify you and your location but with express bp on your connection gets rerouted through an encrypted server and your ip addresses masked every time you connect express vpn you get a random. Ip address shared by other express vpn customers that makes it harder for third parties to identify you or harvest data best of all express. Vpn a super easy to use no matter what device. You're on phone laptop or smart tv. All you have to do is tap one button for instant protection so if you really want to go incognito and protect your privacy secure self with the number one rated. Vpn visit express vpn dot com slash charlie that x. p. r. e. s. s. vpn dot com slash. Charlie expressed vpn dot com slash. Charlie but i want to close the loop on this idea of governors acting like philosopher kings. What is a philosopher. King anyone knows their plato. And plato's republic a philosopher. King is someone where plato argued that philosopher must become kings or now called kings. Must genuinely genuinely inadequately philosophize. It's this idea that i'm in a position of power and i know better than you. And what's so scary and disturbing about this trend is that there's a disconnect from the will of the people and the actions of people in charge so this is where there's only a couple of potential outcomes when when leaders are in agreement with their voters and their voters want you have peace. You have stability people. Ask me all the time charlie. Why is there so much unrest. Why are we so divided. There's a couple explanations but a very obvious explanation. Is you get revolutions when the people feel like they are not being adequately represented by the people in charge. Why would you revolutionize the country if you're getting what you want out of the people in charge to win make any sense right if if the leaders are are listening to their voters and they are getting marching orders. Oh ninety seven percent of people. North dakota think female sports shouldn't have men in them. Maybe i should do something about it. The state legislature did the state senate did but then the governor says. I know better than you. That's the philosopher king syndrome and so the question is what do we do about. It will thankfully the people are so dramatically fed up and tired with this pattern. It's a pressure cooker. I don't really know what comes next. But i'm pretty good at predicting this. There's going to be massive political upheaval in the next nine to eighteen months. Massive there will be black swan events that we have not anticipated. The republican party is about to become completely redefined. Is i mentioned. I was at the meeting in dallas and some of the meet the members. I talked to god it and some of them charlie. We love corporations. Don't we man you need to watch more tucker show where you've been most of them. Got it though. But when i talked to the voters. When i'm in front of eight hundred people in bismarck north dakota when i'm in front of a thousand people in missouri when i'm in front of twelve hundred people in lexington kentucky when i'm in front of a packed group and oklahoma and the governor of oklahoma. Doing a nice job. He actually deserves credit. He's been very good. When i'm in front of packed audiences in nashville vegas and san jose and i say corporations are not your friend. I get standing ovations. When i say that. It's time for our leaders to do what they say they're going to do. They started applauding for two three four minutes. And what even more amazing we just had a group of our investors and donors attorney point. Usa they get it to the only group of people that don't get it or the top of the hierarchy of decision makers which is the governors and the people surrounding it because they remember a republican party. That was asleep. They remember a republican party. Were all you do is go to ribbon cuttings for amazon and talk about cutting taxes. Not even actually do it for working people and you get reelected. Republicans have to do the ribbon. Cutting republicans are so confused. Like i thought. I just had a bunch of ribbons for a chinese tech company in wisconsin. And everything's better. No actually we want something different. We need a body card and defender against this cultural blitzkrieg. That's happening and we want to counter countermove. We want you to use your political power that we gave you to defend our way of life not sit idly by and say you know what like doug burnham. I don't have the power to do it. No you do. Why run for office. If you're not going to use the power that we gave you the constitution. Granted you thanks so much for listening everybody if you want to get involved turning point. Usa usa dot com an email. Us your thoughts. Freedom at charlie. Kirk dot com. God bless you speak to you.

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"Online shopping is easy and convenient and the gun. Deleo smartphone app makes it inexpensive to deals on guns ammunition holsters optics lasers and more available day and night. Load the gun deal apple or android app today at gun. Deleo dot com here. They come here. They come. Tom gresham here. It's gun talk. You can be with us. Whoa holy cow. What a week. What a week. So everything's things going on and there may be some of them that you do not know about a lot of you may have heard about if you have not been online and following it. It's been crazy just so many things happening and we have a ton of guests. We have budget guest lineup today. It's got to be Quite the lineup. Coming a lot of different ground We just got allan gotlieb coming up. God representative lauren bogert. Yes the new representative. He wants to carry her gun. In congress gary marbot from the montana shooting sports association. Pete brownell from ar fifteen dot com. You know the the site that just got pulled down that jump back up go. Daddy took it to those guys and chris. ching top. Shot chris chang with news about a new tv show. There's going to be some cool shooting a lot of things going on. And of course we have the the news. Holy cow the nra filed for bankruptcy. You probably know about it but if you don't yet the file for chapter eleven bankruptcy as a way of getting out of new york moving their charter to texas Some say it may be too clever by half talk about that. I have my thoughts on that. And it's like what's going on and then what's really going on. Friend of mine used to say the reason and then there's the real reason we'll try to dive into that a little bit to see what we might know what we think we might know. It's crazy out there. And of course i think at this point. Some of you are starting to see what i was saying two weeks ago. Who had people storming the us capital. I kept saying this is going to very bad for us. This is going to be used against other. People just didn't get stand that i said it's about the optics. It's about the reaction and then it's going to be about what happens after that and we're starting to see a good bit of that it's a it's a. It's going to be just a little bit crazy. That's for sure but there's good news at the same time and their stories breaking this. You may not be hearing about that. We'll have those here as well and back. That's just do those right now on got leap from the second amendment foundation joins me right now talked about a lawsuit that dropped down the next to kind of got covered by some of the news on friday. But this is a big deal. What's saf been doing well the second amendment foundation. Tom filed a lawsuit late friday against the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms over the hombres apa violations That they've been pushing. And i guess the best way to do this with your listeners. Give a little bit of background getting into it on on braces or accessories. I mean originally developed as you know for disabled persons stabilized pistols shotgun against the utah for safety and accuracy. And right now. they're over. Two million on braces have been sold. The united states and they're in common use by both disabled people as well as non-disabled people well back in nineteen in two thousand fourteen. Atf atf issued a private classification letter. They don't publish on their website. They just give it to the person that asked for it. No one else gets know about it. And they stated as shouldering gun control at firearm equipment and hombres subject of firearms to the national firearms at then in two thousand fifteen and another one of these open letters somebody else the atf abruptly reversed its position and announced that using hombres on a shoulder converts at a firearm into a small bowel rifle subject to entertain control. That two thousand fifteen open letter imposes new registration requirements on firearms and common use by millions of law abiding gun owners the new registration requirements imposed on the nineteen thousand. Fifteen open letter. First of all were not authorized by congress they to provide fair notice of what was prohibited. They've i like a rehabilitation active. Seventy three and the infringe on second amendment protections by significant delaying the time for this be our approval. That two thousand fifteen open letter. Tom was also a lawful because ats published it without complying with administrative procedures act notice and comment requirements. Then here this year december two thousand and twenty eight published notice the federal registered to further impose the new. Nfl controls issued under that. Two thousand fifteen open letter. Atf issued the notice over the holiday season with just seventeen days. Republic comment notice listed vague and subjective factors. Atf claims that may subject to firearm with an arm brace and if they can call the public had submitted over seventy thousand comments almost all of a hundred percent negatives notice and atf. Withdrew it after the justice department told them that they probably weren't complying with administration teachers. Act we fully expect that republican notice under the biden administration since the biden administration has made it very well known that they plan on using all kinds of executive orders administrative backwards administration. Crackdown on guns and gun. Ownership the new lawsuits filed against atf was was followed by the second asian ranier arms. Who's a gun selling company in washington state and to plaintiffs both what you're disabled One of the plaintiffs distinguished army veteran which fanatic injuries while serving in afghanistan. In two thousand twelve was wounded by improvised explosive device resulting in partial amputation of his right leg left arm and basically salvage is left leg. Limb he needs to use either. Embrace embraces stabilized firearms shoots. The other one is a police officer. Who suffered in the line of duty injury resulting permanent nerve damage to his right hand. He also needs the racist to stabilize firearms while he shoot so on behalf of the two million a hombres states common us and our plaintiffs. We follow the suit against. Ats okay let me jump in here. So everybody understands this. The arm braces just to think it goes on the backward air. Fifteen pistol allows you to shoot. At one handed. Some people have been shooting by using them against the shoulder are shouldering the gun which atf. At least two one letter said does not make it a short barreled rifle if falls with an nfl the national firearms act that you have to pay the two hundred dollar tax. It has to be registered. And if you don't do that that is absolutely by itself a felony to have this thing. So what are you seeking with. This lawsuit were actually speaking with the lawsuit is to force the atf to accept seventy thousand public comments to their notice and not now jettison them And we're asking that the have to provide the public comment for any subsequent notice and they have to comply with the americans rehabilitation act which which which stops government agency is from Getting engaged in stopping items like the hombres from disabled people who need them to be able to shoot as well as we're asking The you know for the court say that it was totally illegal. What the has been doing and how they've been acting and not publishing these things to come knowledge to begin with and being the You know and not not spilling things out and no one can understand what they're trying to do anyway make any sense especially in criminal courts If they if they try to prosecute people and we like to recover some of our legal fees and there are people who say that you sometimes the role of government is to make things as confusing as possible to make it essentially impossible to comply with the law. Even if you're trying to comply with the law and it sure feels as though that was what was going on here. Well we have Some some cases where the atf is argued for Additional enhancements to crimes because somebody had an arm brace and may have shoulder we don't even know And one particular case courts threw it at all being vague expense But somebody prosecuted in may ask for enhanced enhanced sentencing because of it. So we're trying to protect gun owners rights and gun owners. You know You know ownership or these things to begin with and we already noted biden. His at played with Trying to use executive orders administrative actions to reclassify all kinds of stories that various guns. He's looking to try and do this with you. Know so called assault weapons you know cinematic firearms Where he can force it to be an nfl thing. Now make everybody pay two dollars tax waves attacks or people who have been now because for new people to pay two hundred dollar tax So anything you can't build up roadblocks so we did this also to fire peripheral shot across the bow of his ship of state so to speak. Let him know. We're watching every single executive action and an agency action Th the tries to attempt to do that in a second rights just before. I put him on notice all right the minute i got left here allen As we head toward you know just about to get the biden harris administration we know that gun control and gun. Bans are big on their list. We'll be fighting this legislatively but also it seems to me that the fight in the courts may be not only the best option but in some cases may be the only option as you. Go forward kind of ballpark. That or crystal ball at forest where we're going over the next year or two well. I think we're going to go out in all areas in the legal legal area in the courts for sure but we still can't give up fighting legislative battles in the public opinion battles as well so we'll be all over the place in fact. The second foundation is now next week. We're running Eighty-one ads on national television Urging people to join our second amendment person's partners program by texting protect to a two four seven four seven four seven protect two eight two four seven four seven four seven and get involved in the fight for gun. Rights sounds good appreciate and also saf dot org if you want. More information with. The second amendment foundation is doing as always. Thank you for what you do. You always just a little bit ahead of the curve anticipating things out there. Well we have to hear. We're gonna lose all right. Thank you for all you. Tom thank you so much. All right allan gotlieb on the second amendment foundation eight six six. Talk gun if something on your mind if you have some thoughts on this. Nra news. i'll tell you what when we come back. I'll give you my take on it. There's more to it than we know. And maybe one of those deals that we may never know what's really bite it. 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One hundred and some odd years ago wasn't problem there but some twenty twenty five years ago. I know that people talk to the nra and said you must move your charter out of the state and the lawyer who was clueless at the time for the so now. It's not problem we got this. It's not going to be. you don't understand. Have you looked at the loss. Do you understand what the attorney general of the state can do when you are incorporated in new york so that was quarter of a century ago and now we have the attorney general basically saying she wants to shut down eight and campaign on doing that and calling it a terrorist organization so now then are is actually paying attention because this turning general's office there's teeth to this. She's really after them. Along the same time over the last several years then a broke ranks with its advertising agency. Pr agency ackerman mcqueen and the associated mercury group and angus macqueen being the head of the mcqueen agency. It's my belief that wayne probably wayne lapierre probably hasn't said a word that angus macqueen didn't write for him to the last twenty years. I do believe that angst mcqueen probably was the power behind the throne and running the in. Hurry just my thoughts. Angus mcqueen died a year or so ago and the nra broke ranks with ackerman queen lot of rancor lot of lawsuits back and forth understand it was paying them. Forty million dollars a year for advertising and pr services and who knows what and then it gets really weird. It's like one of those weird daytime or even nighttime soap opera shows where angus son-in-law bill brewer becomes in our as attorney now he's representing the nra in new york and other places and getting out who knows that two million dollars a month. Yes i said a month. Illegal fees and directing their activities. So somehow somebody decided well what we'll do is see. Yeah that's what we'll do. We'll declare bankruptcy and re-charter moving down to texas. That's what we'll do. We'll get out of the whole new york deal not so fast to my friend. It's transparent possibly likely is in bad. Faith possibly likely won't stand up to scrutiny in the courts. I doubt that the attorney general new yorkers going to stand by and just watch us without challenging it was even argued. Some people looked at the bylaws said. Wait wait and wayne. Lapierre sent a letter to the board telling them what they had done what he was doing not asking them not asking for a vote. The bylaws it specifically says only the full board can dissolve association can do this but then you look back about who two weeks ago. Three weeks ago and the board was convinced to give wayne and the executive committee of the power to do the feckless in our a board. Seventy five seventy six members sitting on their hands being spectators and not taking charge and not running the organization and not understand that wayne lapierre's employees and not the king who runs the place. But you know if you vote against him on the board you could take an off the cool committees and you don't have baby baby. The vendor arrangements with the ira that are so lucrative. Possibly stories get told so what now well now goes before bankruptcy court and the judge. And i don't know. I mean i don't know if the people who advising an ira have raise wayne's best interests harder if they're maybe even setting him up for a fall it's possible the judge could come in and say yeah. Okay that's part of the bankruptcy deal wayne. You're fired executive committee. You're all out all the top dogs. They're employees you're gone cronies. They're cronies they cannot be removed. I don't know if that was all explained to him on the front. End it at the same time. We members millions and millions of members saying. I'll never send you another dime as long as wayne lapierre's still there and wayne says don't worry our finances are great. He says in his letter to the board. We are in great shape. But when you file for bankruptcy you have to do it on the basis of insolvency. I think i think how are those two going to comport themselves together. It just gets stranger and strangers to go along and this just broke two days ago. We'll be learning more about it as we go along. I have a lot more questions that i have information on lots of questions. So we'll see it. Let's do this. Quick st called in from new jersey with a range report. Steve got about a minute. If you will dive into what you got okay. I just want to let you know that. I bought a barrel for my contender. i didn't buy new from match grade machine. I bought it from Online auction site. And i i had some problems with my first time out with it with extraction So i got in touch with someone from match grade machines The gentleman's name was andy and a couple of emails back and forth a couple of pictures determined that my extractor was bent and i had a broken spring And by dealing with him. I was able to get it back together and i i'm back to the range after that No extraction problems and shot sub half inch group at one hundred yards with a sixteen inch barrel caliber To twenty one fireball took care of. You wouldn't a problem. They just did it for you. Just did it and it was. It was really good. And i want to let everybody know that match. Grade machine is a top notch company. It's it's great to hear that. And i mean it's amazing. How many calls. We get like that people say i thought i was going to have a problem and you go into. This is going to be a hassle. We're going to have to go back and forth going to have to push him and argue and all that in the gun business. Typically they go. Okay we'll fix it or replace it. Okay and everybody does holy cow. That was amazing. It was that is true. We don't and also. I wanted to say this. Thank you for taking the time to give them a shout out because so often we are all quick to complain about bad service. We sometimes don't remember to say thank. You are tell the world about good service. And that's exactly why i'm doing. Well thank you sir. Shoot men two to one fireball for those. Who don't know that is a seriously cool caliber and in a contender. It's almost a perfect match. I think it's a great form of gun. Yeah it really is. We're kind of armored. She got their groundhog's mostly grad couple of coyotes. Here you no not a good thing right there. New jersey state. Thank you so much for the call. I appreciate that sir. You take care all right coming up. You've seen her on the news a lot in the news recently. representative laura and barber. She is brand new congresswoman from the state of colorado actually rifle colorado. Where of course. He had the restaurant where the waitresses carried guns openly. Now she's making waves saying she's going to carry her a glock in dc prompting. Nancy pelosi to put up metal detectors so that members of congress have to go through metal detectors. She said nah. Nah gun do that. Is he's going around now. Pelosi says yeah. That'd be a five thousand dollar fine the first time you go around it and ten thousand the second time we'll representative gobert in here just before you know it. I'm tom gresham. This is gun. Talk eight six six talk gun. We'll be right back. Eight six talk gone. I'm tom gresham. It's gun talk. We are at this moment trying to get hold of Representative lauren bogert from colorado. And i know she's busy. Got that set up in the meantime just talking about the events of the day of the week if you are on the to squad email list if you get our newsletter you saw what i wrote this week the idea being that you know people say what does it time to panic. Young people or people who are not not experienced in our gun rights battle. But i've heard a lot of people say well. Jeez we've just lost everything it's all over biden's in got complete control of congress go. Yeah no no no no little perspective. Please pointed out that look. I was young but there during the passage of the nineteen sixty eight gun control act and in one thousand nine hundred four. When the bill clinton gun ban also known as the so called assault weapons ban was passed and it looked dark and dismal and it was. It was dark and dismal as far as gun rights. But we didn't do was give up what didn't do is say. Oh gee there's just nothing we can do. They have us. Outnumbered we fought back and we regained rights we lost and sometimes we lost then regained them back. Not all of them. I'd love to get back a lot of stuff. We lost in sixty eight but my point on this and it sounds harsh. I understand that honestly is that we lost this election. You can argue that it got stolen. Maybe i don't believe that i am sorry. I don't look. Everybody loves a good conspiracy theory. And that's a good one as any. But here's the question. How does that help win. Going forward and remember you've heard me say before. Winning is the only thing. I'm concerned with winning back. Gun rights expanding gun rights expanding civil rights. So how do we win. How do we do that. Well not by. Complaining is an og got stolen from us and voting now means nothing anymore. Oh please you just whining. Which are whining get into fight. So what does it mean. Say get in the fight and won't be very specific listed four things and i o means you need subscribe. I mean it's it's free for heaven sakes it's free to sign up for the through squad gun talk dot com sign up. Unlisted four things. I timers to get yourself educated. What do i mean by that. What i mean is that you're being fed. A bunch of bull from people who are claiming to be gun rights. People are pro rights. People are pro patria. people are pro. You have to be more discriminating in your choice of information sources never in our history that i'm aware of have we ever had more disinformation headed our way trying to suck you into the vortex of the various conspiracy theories or we're going to do this or we're going to take that and we're going to you do understand right that facebook and other online businesses. Their business model is to get you riled up to get you angry to get you mad to get you see to get you. Outraged offended even once they do that. They've gotcha got your hooks. It's it's passed the bar but it's not coming out they can really you in and they can sell you. Which is ultimately understand the ordeal of if you're not paying for the product you are the product so you got to be educated. You got to know what's going on. Choose your sources carefully later. We're talking about one of those supposed. Gun rights groups. That is really just out there to make money for themselves. How do they do that. They make you angry at other gun. Rights groups really. That's what we need. Why did we. I think we lost in large part. Because we've got out worked. We got at work and i'm as guilty as anybody over the years. I got as long as everybody else thinking. The nra would take care of this force. The nra didn't show up this year because they're kind of not around really. It'll be not as effective as they have been in the past. I think they could have made the difference in the georgia senate runoff races if they had put all their field trips into georgia for thirty days and gotten to vote out looking at pictures of people from the volunteers for the mothers demand in every town for gun safety the gun ban groups right and they're at home they're making calls. They're working phone trees. They're volunteer and they're showing up there there. And what are we doing. We're sitting there typing out from my cold and hit that hands and come and take it really you. How about if we avoid having people come in take the guns and do the action that prevents that from happening in the first place that we win the elections. So it is gonna mean changing your lifestyle you and me. Here's the deal. There's nobody else in despite there's just you and me there's really just the person in the mirror that you see when you look in the mirror and that person's going to have to decide i'm gonna put a an hour day in at night. I'm going to put an hour a day in to get educated to go online to read things to find out what's really going on. Choose my sources carefully and wisely. Don't buy in when people are trying to get all mad wild up and angry. That doesn't get us anywhere if you don't combine at least some some outrageous. Okay directed carefully. How do you went. Not how do. I make noise. How do you win. You have to join your state organization. You have to show up when they say this is the day when they're having the hearings on the gun bills at the legislature. Oh but that's all across the state. Give me a free can break really. We've got people that were in the bataan death march and you won't drive across state in a comfortable car to appear before a committee to voice your opposition to gun bans doesn't speak well of us if we do that so we have to show up. We have to volunteer find a candidate. I don't care is located. Start learning how to do this. This is a skill set that we have not mastered that means volunteering. Going to voluntary means going to their headquarters. Walking the streets knocking on doors not being shine not being bashful volunteered to make phone calls over and over and over again hours and hours and hours and hours and hours on end throughout weeks and months or you can go online and type molin lobby for my cold dead hands. Come and take it really. Hey well so. The question is as i had to the break here. What are you willing to do. We'll you changed your our. You're and my personal behavior. Because if we don't share their definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting to turn out differently if we don't change our behavior. We're not going to win. We can win this. We all have to get involved so there. It is eight six six. Talk gun tom. Gresham be right back when someone leaves you there gun collection. You may want a few. What do you do with the rest. How do you sell them. Who do you call. Well high called john dory at dury's guns whether you're selling one gun or five hundred. They'll tell you what it's worth and write you yet. Simple quick easy fair. I trust juries guys. Give them a call during guns dot com. Perhaps more than any other landscape wet last embody the light giving abundance but nature has to offer and perhaps more than any other organization ducks. 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Did you see a new cartridge was introduced last week. I say it's crazy time. A lot of things going on browning winchester combined. They're really the same company new cartridge. It's kind of like the to seventy sam winchester short magnum. But they made langley shorter in the case in a little bit longer i think overall length of arguing have that right the idea. Is they call it. The six point eight western six point eight used to be you know nobody cared about metric other than seven millimeter in the us beningo. Six five creed. More came along became popular. Because that's just a to sixty four but six five six point. Eight to seventy two seventy winchester's been around forever. And it's a great caliber. Great hunting caliber. So why. A six point eight western. What's different about it. Only one thing only one thing instead of a one in ten twist rate on the rifle barrels. It's one point. Seven point five twist rate a much faster twist rate in the barrel bitten the bullet up faster. What's going to give you what it does is it allows them to load this cartridge. Six eight western with longer bullets longer heavier bullets and the longer bullets have higher. Ballistic coefficient higher. Bc's make for a lot less wind drift a little bit less. Drop not so much but it's really more about the wind drift and when you're shooting at long range that's the real critical part you can. You could use a laser. You could find a half part is you can dial up you can get the drop dialed in exactly but you kind of guessing. It could be an educated guess. But you're kind of guessing at the wind drift so if you have a and sometimes the winters half on these high bc bullets so instead of twelve inches of wind drift. You look at six inches. Well that's a big deal. The other thing you get in people kind of miss this the longer. The bullet is the higher. The sectional density sectional density gives you penetration so with a hundred and sixty or even heavier boy in two seventy caliber. You have a high enough sexual identity. You can shoot through an elk with this. This would be a great elk. Carter's deer cartridge now. You know how i feel about long range shooting game animals. I'm not a fan. And for some. And when i hear some people bragging you're posting something online about you know. I made a seven hundred yard shovel. Dear eight hundred nine hundred yard. All i see is. I'm not really that good of a hunter. I am unable to get close. That's just me. I get that people say oh. You're okay buber great i. There are some real benefits to having high sexual density and high ballistic coefficient. If you're shooting for competition more power to you. I mean that's great anything that helps you hit still targeted. A thousand yards and beyond. That's fun. it's cool. I like doing that. And there are people who are saying already. Well gee just what. We need another caliber. When i can't make enough ammo for the wounds putting out yeah. I get that but i mean ask you this. Are we supposed to just stop. Innovating mean all. The companies have olds fuller projects that they put on hold for a year new guns and new cartridges and new ammo knew everything and i understand. I'm get the whole deal. People say well. Why would you had manufacturers say. Look why would. I shut down a line. That's making ammo right now. Shut it down for six hours or twelve hours or three days or a week to switch over to something new. because that's a period of time. When i could have made ammo that people need a period of time when i can make ammo that i could sell that we could make money on. I get all that. But at the same time i like the idea of having innovation new cartridges. New things does the world need a new and improved to seventy start. That bar fight. There is ammo out there now. By the way people say let's do an well. It's expensive. I do see people say well you know so. So their price gouging their price gouging their name will cost so much more than it used to use. It does in the question i ask is but do you know how much they store is having to pay for them. Oh these days because if you don't know what they paid then you have no idea if they are quote unquote price gouging. There's an argument to be made by economists that there's no such thing as price gouging. It's just a way to distribute product equitably interesting idea but if you don't know what they paid for it how do you know that they are overcharging. How much should the markup be. I don't know the answer to that. Jittery speaking most people online. But they're out there complaining they're bitching price-gouging eight six six. Talk gun amil out there. Are you finding any. And what are you having to pay for it. Good news that measure we talk about banks or shutting down financing for gun companies rupp. We actually got something going through on that. It actually worked the opposite. The controllers and currency rule was finalized on thursday of this week. It instructs large financial institutions to only deny services to specific clients on a case by case basis instead of making industry-wide blacklists. This came about of course coming out of the obama administration operation choke point trying to shut down gun making by shutting down finances to them so that was a good piece of news. Hey let's say it all the way up to albert canada carson has called in on line three carson. Thanks for the call. What's on your mind. Well tell them i I have some counterpoint smith from some of the people that called in last week about these storms of the capitol building first thing that comes to mind People talk about well pay my taxes. It's my well in a similar vein. I'm divorced Part of what factor child support is housing costs. I haven't seen my kids is overeating. That does not give me the right to go break into my ex's house. I could expect to be shot for that as well. Okay the one lady said well. We want to be heard know what you want. Is you want to be understood. Uh oh that's an interesting distinction. It's not that we want to be heard but actually we need to be understood. That's a great point. Yeah well right now. it's being heard is it. Sounds of adults children thrown a temper tantrum. Well there's a lot of that and more than that. Look the reality is some of the folks that wended this or just looney crazy and some are going to get really surprised when they get convicted of these crimes and they find out that they have lost the ability to own firearms for the rest of their lives because they are now under the prohibited person category. And that's going to stunned. Some of these folks i mean. Yeah that's going to be rude awakening. And then the other thing. When i when i was explains my wife about what had happened and kind of the genesis of it. I had a realization. We say starkly seen something like this before when the reichstag was burned. No i'm not saying we're going to get the same result as what happened back. Then but every time we create something every time you create something like it gives. An opportunity does wrong. What to draw them angle. Say that you're always quoting tom. Never allowed crisis go waste exactly right and i think that's exactly what happened carson. I think you're right on and thank you for the call appreciate that. Yeah it's the left is using this as an opportunity. We are those who did this. Handed them the opportunity. And now whether it's real or not. I tend to think it's not. The media is talking about fifty states and fifty legislatures and planning to have armed rallies in fifty. Different places on the day of the inauguration. I don't think that's true number one number two. It's very possible that this is a false flag operation and for those. There's somebody listening right now. Who sticky while. I'm gonna go to one of those. I'm reminded of a line. You know how a void being in a bar fight. I don't go to bars if you don't go to these events like this. You're not going to get swept up whether it's enemy action whether it's false flag whether it's antifa organizing and instigating the thing and you're in the middle of that thing if you're not there you're not going to be a part of it and here's the other part it will do snow good. Don't get conned into showing up to one of these things take that energy. Take that angst. Take that anger. Let's channel it into something productive. It's not a splashy but it's doing the work day in and day out and we can win. We are going to win. We're only going to win for smart eight six six talk them when we come back gun group out there not that good looking to let you know who it is.

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Episode 16:  Performance & Image Enhancing Drugs

Dad Does Drugs

53:06 min | 1 year ago

Episode 16: Performance & Image Enhancing Drugs

"Are you currently using steroids. Renzo injected yesterday. Ob It messed me up. Okay just defeated Fella Syndrome. Treated needed here all the time but we can change all that until we specialize in he penis magic two trunks. Hello Welcome to that. Does Drugs Mimes Bob. If you've never listened before then wow thanks for picking us up at this juncture and not sure what it would be Maybe it would be that we will award nominated over the summer. We didn't win. FYI But thanks very much to anyone who nominated us for the People's choice podcast awards an international competition. And we've got into the top ten and we were shortlisted for the education category but sadly we didn't win it but another very good podcast For little girls one. Well done you so it's been an interesting summer and I've been festivals with my son chat to him a little bit more about that later on we've done non podcast stuff and I'm just back on it for three episodes because it is the star of the University University term back to college back to university and had three good guests thought. Let's launch them all now and you can see what you think So the way it works is the attack somebody about drugs. Education Drugs Awareness. And then I have a chat with my son about the interview. He has listened to it and and tells me he thinks the three people that are coming up World champion bodybuilder. Today Dr Ian Handy. He's not a doctor of bodybuilding. He's a doctor of marine biology. Legit but yes. He bodybuild naturally doesn't use steroids but he runs a gym a gym. That used to train Arnold Schwarzenegger so he's properly an amazing physique and an amazing body builder and very passionate about doing without injecting steroids. If you're worried about your son or daughter going off to university and being a bit body obsessed and super-fitness Geeky then then we'll help you pick out which things you should be concerned about on which things are fine for young people to be doing on the fitness front because there is a lot of drug use is there the isn't just about getting high but it's about trying to achieve body perfection and so on then I'm going to have a chat next week to compassionate passionate Cop Jason Q.. He's someone that I heard speak about a year ago. He's really interesting. Brilliant policemen An a policeman that has seen so much harm caused by drugs that he wants to do something about it and he doesn't want to just bang everybody up and he doesn't want to just legalize everything on the other away so he's really about trying to think in a nuanced way. I am thinking a compassionate caring way for how to reduce lots of the harm caused by Drugs and then my third guest to finish this. Little mini run will be comedian Jacob. Holy who if you haven't heard of him check him Mount Google it and you'll find on BBC sounds and probably on any podcast APP. His podcast about drugs which is called Jacob Holy on drugs and and he is funny and he is interested and what is going on in the drug landscape just like I am but he is sixteen years younger than me so that makes him thirteen years older than my teenage sunny sort of right in the middle and I think it's interesting to have a May as forty odd year old dad trying to chat chat to my teenage son but also hearing it from the street from somebody who's not that long out of teenage and has used recreational drugs but has also managed to get career going and is also branching away from his comedy career into trying to do sort of drug journalism and drug awareness. Kind of in a similar the way to I am doing to write. Let's get going Dr Ian Hendy talking about performance and image enhancing drugs specifically steroids. Loyd's on the light. uh-huh take I wanted to do. Something about Dirksen was non recreational getting high getting wasted typist with drugs. I thought it'd be interesting to talk about what they're known as now performance and image enhancing drugs because I think the evidence seems to suggest suggest that young people are using them more than ever. And so I'm going to chat to Dr Ian Hendy who I know because he is the head of conservation that amount my for the Blue Marine Foundation and Works Portsmouth University with my wife where they told marine biology. But we're not going to do that today. We're going to talk about your life as I. World Natural Bodybuilding Federation champion. That's correct yes I am. Hello Bob by the life. A two times while bodybuilding champion for the federation called the WNBF. which is the World Natural Actual Bodybuilding Federation that Oversea Natural Meaning? I'm assuming drug for eight does not also mean more than just. You don't take steroids toys so absolutely so actually just going back to your original point calling the image enhancing drugs. That's the I heard of that being cool so performance enhancing. I've heard of all the time. Yeah sports but imaging housing is a very interesting new take on a makes absolute sense by the way but anyway going back to your question question. Yes all banned drugs through. The Sports Association called water now. So anything uncalled pro hormones that will initiate the production of testosterone. Yeah so if you have an unequal enhanced balance of testosterone in your system that will be banned or any supplement that will that will create that will be banned wishes considered as Performance enhancing things like creating amino acids protein powders natural testosterone boosters then then not banned Natural tastes boosters. He elevate your testosterone by the way I know so there's a lot of stuff on the market but really you'll you'll so you'll just pouring money down the drain a there's a mock it forward anyway. Yeah so you run a gym as you try and people. Yes lugosi Jim in Southie. Yes and you've been around. Jim's for is drugs around and absolutely steroids are prolific. In any sport. You go to any gym. They'll be used them. In the Gyms uh-huh they'll be using them in athletics abusing on the football field rugby so hard to radically eight them out of sport absolutely so you go to any gym. They won't be used though. We obviously because we are both natural bodybuilding champion in. Yeah we advocate natural training and we advertised natural training only but there are people that use in all we know that they usually openly admit that as long as admit that fine. You know that's not hiding it etc etc.. Is it illegal. So there's a strange loop hole in the market so it's a legal to sell all anabolic steroids. Because obviously it's medicinal a an for medicinal purposes. But it's not legal to take the because could they are medicines. Yeah so I think if you'll pull selling them then yes. There will be a implications with the law all but you can take them and use them is not against the law to use them and if you're using them do you inject is how people taking the top like a a so people will inject them and they will also use them orally as well and yeah I mean so there's testosterone and some can be for human use and some can be you for veterinary use so that'd be literally using hall strokes you know that they'll they'll dope pulses Brian K and they will be hormones as well so they'll be insulin so these are the levels these gauze will go to so they use inching and also growth hormones but but these proteins and these hormones so this is a different area the if you would like any any drug you take too much of it they will die you know. They'll they'll they'll kill them too. Many many bodybuilders do die because of this use and is that. Because you know the reason why people die after taking cocaine is don't normally a hot tub because it kind of raises your hot right and your blood pressure and things. You're kind of midlife plumber. You system contact twenty anymore. So Tesla Mimics wchs the same molecular structure as cholesterol. So what happens is if they're injecting these these the steroids was these drugs. Basically what you're going to get what they are theories sclerosis so your your arteries are clogged up with what it thinks is colossal official but it. But it's it's awesome molecules. And so you can get a tightening of the vein so you can get atherosclerosis hardening of the veins. High blood up pressure blood clots. You can get humas growing up seeking us in the growth hormones and enlarged heart as well so you pericard space space woman increase. Your heart will to get heart squeeze in the heart attack a many many issues and also you emphatic system can change hang us well so your your brain can swell up and there's all sorts of wonderful horrible things Casa about. I'm guessing you know you know people in the gym that use regularly and one of those things that like for many people they can use. All sorts of drugs caught safely. Most people you know some some ends in tragedy and a lot of people and think okay regularly and they don't have a heart attack the Naria out at the gym people that you think they using it fairly steadily safely. Well it's not a regular conversation that we have you know. Sometimes it will come up when we have a cup of tea and we've just what a workout and we saw get chatting on the conversation of steroids for example. And very me me charter. Talk them out of using being in the natural road the benefits of X. Y. Z.. For example but then they argue okay well he and you know on your age and my joints join stunt Hutton. For example up my knees now a very bad on my elbows about fifty years training but some steroids will counteract Batman. Yeah for example. They seem to be the ever ready trees in them. They can go on and on and on and on but my argument is as well. You're only okay. Hey until something does go wrong. You know and it's all very well saying nothing's happened to you. Dot Dot dot yet. Yeah you know and I don't want to be in that yet. I rather have longevity the other way around and just be while ago. This is all homegrown built through hard work. You Know No. It's not hard still training her odds but being enhanced lie magin things easier in terms of pain management and recovery on workout to work out. Because we were just chatting before we start recording a different excise preferences so I- cycle loads it's on did not cardio stuff and I've wanted when I heard about the Lance Armstrong story saga as it was unfolding. I wouldn't if you're just an average person. Might maybe that might enter. The odds half hour. Said Noah might enter local triathlon. I wonder what effect taking Tapio light would have performance and I wonder like at the gym. If you're just someone that wants to work out to look good you know maybe do pay for like rugby team is the benefit is really noticeable that you will be able to lift more without paying well so just for the purposes of the listeners year. Couldn't see me now and if you were to see me you could see yes. This is a God that works out however Ah if you stood me against another guy. Age has been training the same amount of time the been say using steroids twenty years. They would probably be about fifty pounds heavier than me so much in March larger while you know so much much bigger and so yes. It's all awkward. Equate it to having tight tape recorder impressing fast forward for someone is using steroids as someone. That's not so. Does that make sense. Yeah your ability to synthesize proteins greater your ability. He to recover between workouts is much quicker so for example. I can probably just about my can. I can only just managed aged three white training workouts a week for about forty minutes. And that's all mobile. You will allow me to do to refer recovery. Yeah I still do lots of cardiovascular. Exercise is to keep my heart healthy and need a very good diet but someone using steroids catrine six times a week everyday and wake up the next day and trying trying again and try and again in the recovery so much better so their ability for the muscles to recover quicker grow back stronger and train again is much quicker so for example what I could gain in ten years they could probably gain in three and if you all mal podcast has been dot those drugs. It's all about me being a parent concerned about my kids as they go through teenage years and having an honest conversation with them about the drugs out there and so when they encounter them knowledge and so thinking about it from that point of view if my son on goes to university and you know he's sort of suddenly wants to look good and a lot of that these days having the right arms for the instagram cell alkalies. And that sort of thing then if you start working out at the gym and start using steroids quite quickly I guess you see you will not you you want. You will know you know that that would be a marked difference in that person. Within months now bodybuilding making physiological local change in your body takes a long time so the catalyst is the workout. So you're breaking the muscle tissue down. The workout doesn't make you bigger the workout. Actual fact fact is catalytic breaks muscle tissue down the rest recuperation and the Diet then will enable the physiologically your body to change for the muscles to grow back bigger and that gives you the catalyst so for anybody wishing to train drug-free free has to have the patients and four fought to think. Okay I want to do this naturally and hard earned and be proud of what I built and you can do it it. You could build a physique in three years naturally but those and they will have a baseline of muscle that you keep okay but those who will go to gym within three months and just say Arjun Dave over there is looking baffled and he's getting bigger much stronger than me. I'm going to start using steroids to to keep up with them steroids water-based okay. So what happens is they'll just get very big and very puffy very quickly quickly. And so yes enclosed. They will look big puffy Mauri so when they come off. The steroids have to cycle them. So when you come off steroids they'll shrink back down to their original ause again. So they're not building any tissue okay. So you're actually building any muscle so your your slowing the process this down. So you'd better off starting naturally and keeping naturals you build a huge baseline of muscle so by the time you're in your twenties and twenty I five. You have an actual physique of solid muscle. The you could be proud of and say well this is all built naturally and this is me and so I know you don't train you stay is that yeah if you were to use steroids then not train you would literally lose. Lose all of what you've gained. Okay and that guy that you were saying the guy. That's doing the same as you. Using steroids. Fifty pound heavier is is the bay. Is that sort of guy going to lose all of that. If he doesn't try all if h catches up with all of us you know we do slightly unless exerciser we get we find more as we get older. How's your body? You're going to as you come off the steroids all disappear absolutely. Yes I have committing samples. That won't say he's them but as a guy in our GM I hadn't seen him for about a year and we bumped into each other by chance about two months ago and I haven't seen him for a year and when I saw him last year he was about eighteen eighteen stone or about one hundred fifteen one hundred fifteen kilos something in our big about my height. A big God's taking steroids I saw about two months ago and he was about twelve. Stones Lost Six stone now this this was because he felt ill because he took too much steroids his liver and kidney started to fail him so he has to spend a lot of time in hospital and he came to south in clay because he knows we both drug-free. We both advocate joffrey training. We know how to change our free and gain muscle and get results. So he's now onto our wing training naturally in drug free and now starting to get resolved and cruel back Zeke that he wants to aspire to do but now sees the benefit but once he became ill you know so. You needed that. He needed that shock. I think to realize is what was going on and this is a very very real threats. You know people just think always safest medicine these things they can harm you you there's a guy in Southampton Shekhar remember the name of the GM but he died last month for taking steroids. I've had people that I've competed with down the line you here I haven't heard of South L. Siren so you found that they died through heart attacks of cocktails tales of junk genu- steroids and cocaine. And what else whatever you would think you know for a trophy. She's not worth. It really is an ought to look good. It's just not worth it because natural fact if you're using steroids a Hewlett puffy and watery. But if you do it naturally you actually get a physique anatomically correct coach looking buff and you actually get lean with a six pack without steroids and the idea of like a teenager or young a young person starting to use them. Do you get what I associate with the more likelihood of more spots acne or does affects your mood as well that kind of Royd rage yet. You'll you'll you'll think if you're prone to being if a person is prone to being Moody Anyway Away. Those people will have a higher tendency to have those Royd rages where they're very the very well. I posted a one minute. They re the really really calm or they just explode of that of the head really quickly. Yeah she's the Royd range which is the mouthpiece also coming through yes they will have acne pretty much. Most people will have very spotty backs and lots of big spots and very very grossly think Gynaecomastia. Now if I can say this and good God they call it bitch tips okay. What that is gonNA come Ostia? So if a person in X. Synthetic testosterone what happens is your own testosterone Sarim. Stop producing right now. If you have an open abundance of testosterone your own body will overcompensate sate without by producing eastern which is the female hormone right now because it starts is producing eastern it produces so much eastern that if you have eastern receptors in your body and we all do it will accept the eastern and start growing female breasts or men and now this could happen most teenage men because there's sometimes as issued in in the water and there's been there's been innocent cases of this of of mail adolescence. Growing GonNa Kamasiyah all these female breasts for drinking water but there's a high. There's a high percentage of young males taking steroids with this Garner Kamasiyah because because of steroids and they had to have that you had to have surgery removed or you have it for life. Yeah that would put the fear absolutely absolutely really young. Yeah I I mean for me for me there there are no. There's no plus signs for using steroids. Right there's no there's no plus sides of it there's no when we were in the GM having friendly device and they're offering the debates you know and it's not for me to tell people how you can't use my gym because you're using steroids region. I would come in use it. That's fine but there's no benefit to using steroids. And when they they say to me okay and water you use it and I say okay I asked him about why are you using it. What tell me what benefit have you got for using stairways went on to champion? I have a physique where you would like to look like me without trying to sound. Conceited bigheaded headed. Lean shape on meaty fifty years old like this and and it's all natural and don't have the complications of taking these hormones mood swings and thinking every other day am I going to have a heart attack. You know whatever you know so many more benefits to not using them to using it absolutely and because you talk Klatt do other drugs sort of scene of women using gene. Oh absolutely absolutely yeah not steroids but steroids. Yeah Yeah boom you. Steroids performance enhancing drugs and absolutely. They will yeah. Yeah and there are other drugs things to help you lose weight and people using other hotel of things so Khalid is a suite of different steroids so there's steroids to gain muscle mass steroids to burn body fat growth hormone fringe Tommy. Will we'll burn body fat off and getting really so they don't have to and they find it funny because they say they can eat burgers news and have yet. They're still six pack but my argument is well. Yes all we're doing that but superficially got no fat but if you're in if you're eighteen all of that fatness going somewhere and if you're injecting steroids so you're so you're already increasing your your theories Laroche's of the fat fatty deposits in your veins and arteries annual reaching rubbish diet. What's going to happen to you? You know. Think about this. You know the dangers there. You know and other things that the people do the council can news and do use 'cause like I do you know endurance exercise his and so I've got mates when we've done long if you do a lot of training. Then everyone's got their favorite little sports science gimmicks they fall for electrolyte powders or this kind of concoction of sports drinks and things. So I'm guessing that the gym is full of people with big nick water bottles full of go during king. There's lots of water bottles full of Pink Goo and again are not a gym as often as I used to be although I work at the gym on the weekends and I I trained when the gym is closed very early in the mornings to fit my my eye. Yeah I work Jolan but when I am in the gym and I'll do see people walking around with a huge balls of pink Goo and they it is they have their nowadays is a big thing pre workouts which is full of full of caffeine. And it's full of amino acids to solve spiky metabolism etc etc.. Now I train on an empty stomach first thing in the morning without any breakfast I don't I don't drink coffee. Do have coffee coffee but decaffeinated coffee wake up in the morning I have two cups of green tea and I'll go to gym an art and that's me and I have a bottle of water. I finished my work out and I will have one thing to work out. Is One red grapefruit because of the natural sugars in the grapefruit will help you recover and you really can feel the difference from not having a great to having a great food directly after the after you have that wind. Will they call the window of community throughout that shoe so you want the simple sugars shortly after train late grapefruits then about ten minutes after that some former protein because because the carbohydrate acts as a vehicle to drive the protein into the muscles for protein synthesis now there is a supplement the market now is huge. I will say this most of it. You're poor in the money down the drain. Absolutely there's baseline supplements white protein. Guess branch chain Amino Acids which are the constituents of protein. Yes to aid recovery. There are some forms of creating the book. And that's about it and they're okay dyke. If you're entering competitions yeah absolutely fine health. Why is that? There's been there's been no studies to suggest and there's been some long term studies over ten years now the fine absolutely fine so so if you're if you're thinking my son is working out loads and moral those types of that's absolutely I remember. I brought my top my first protein tub. I started training rose thirteen. I think I must've been about fourteen or fifteen had chocolate protein powder of course among Ford with steroids protein powder you know and I remember taking my first protein. Drink thinking I was going to pull ten pounds of Bustle Ya. Yeah but it's a protein drink. It's a convenient way of eating a chicken breast. That's all the days. Yeah that's all it is. It's no different. Yeah about what you said you had before about performance and imaging nine. Yes right a fall of this and I. I think this is what I'm guessing. I think it's interesting. I chat for the PODCAST. Is I think there is a whole now. Generation of kids taking selfies. And so I see in the press where women want that thin arm. If you're taking a self yourself healthy night's sleep restricts you want that kind of thing now that he's almost unattainable for most women and then guys want a shoulder that is owned and everything in that. And why do you notice that in the did you see a lot. More younger working out. Absolute Appeal Abu say this Now for everyone pitcher you see on Instagram facebook. Or whatever other media they use. They've probably taken about fifty or a hundred before that to get their best picture and most of it would either have a filter all their b. l.. We'll be airbrushed. I right absolutely in a million years and so social media go to big impacts on that I do see that more now where To use that phrase you know. I'm old school now. I was in the gym yesterday. And there was a young lady training and and she every single exor she did. She was setting up her camera to film herself to get ready to post on our instagram. Feed now out. That's not my idea of training you train in the shadows an so that. Got Me to thinking thinking who she training for training for herself or for the people that won't to watch her train on line you know. There's there's a difference there and so it depends where these young be. What their motivation is? If they want to great if they want to have a beach beach body they want to have a six pack they wanna be lean they want to go on the beach and look good fantastic. That's that's great but no problem with that books with conviction and do it so that they're not worried about the next. Your name is doing in other words. So they're not chasing that here. Look look how good. Aw Look do it so it comes from within. That's and that's how you get real results really. That makes sense. Yeah yeah definitely is much if you join a gym these days. If you join a gym sort of bodybuilding taught Jim who use the free weights and you're GONNA work out. Do Do people talk to you about all the time. And and so for good coaches and people. They're talking you through what you're doing and how program and that sort of thing so keep people so. I'm always correcting people with their training. My wife Claire is always correctly and people with their training. We are actual personal trainers. And we have coaches there that too and we advocate filters down for myself and clear to our other personal trainers within the gym. So we advocate a certain star of training which which is very hard very hard training pretty gets results and we turn people away if they want to use steroids. We actually do that. We we've had long standing people people to try and you know Jim for over twenty years view steroids on and off We don't turn those away. They're our friends and it's fine and we kind of have this good and evil battle which way the wall using water use that thing but we do get people coming in actually asking us if we sell steroids. Listen things and we just turn them away and say look. This isn't a gym for you. If you want to come and train half fine but you try naturally and we will build you a physique and we will make you realize the allies and reach your goals naturally and job free. Yeah but you won't be using steroids here and you won't be selling them. He'll buy them here. I I worry about the University Jim. I think I read something recently about. There's a report all about the selling of drugs on social media. You know. That's where a lot of young on people will get. Any drugs in cannabis might be on snapchat university. I think you you can probably buy any chemical like on the Internet Company and say you know some Yeah chinese-made yeah that's the style made a bothell awful so many someone shared so people can get it and then probably offer around it must be available. He's in the our toll. Yes it is. It's you can buy online. You combine on the guy in the street. It's just everywhere. Ah Everywhere. I was talking to some very high influential. Fr- friends in bodybuilding actually about a similar subject about drugs in any sport so we watched the Olympics. And we were talking particularly about the hundred meters sprints and I was saying and there's nobody in that foreign with putting nobody even in the heat the drug free will. I would say everybody's on it. You know they're all on it and aw I would argue them. Why not an controversially? Then if they go to use it anyway why not legalize. Is it but have a doctor to administer it monitor it if they are going to use it but the problem is a calls is in the extended spoil searches. Such is the body building. And the gyms where it's black market that's not monitored and people are dying. People are dying. I'm all for the purpose to look good. That's if you actually think about it. That's ridiculous when you cannot see look good and just as good if not Betta aw without using it. Yeah Yeah so two different worlds isn't that yeah the the looking good side of it. I mean people do you stupid things by cheap. Both talks kit so crazy beauty enhancement yet that people again social media social media is that on and lips the size of football the dodgy but you can be. I'm self made model now. You can build your own profile online. You can promote yourself and you can be famous person with your hundred followers and then call says I've never watched amidst the reality. TV shows are all. I've never watched one. Episode is the only way is Essex. And there's another Chelsea. There's so many of them. Now where where where would enhance in Mumbai or now though I imagine you know and Love Island. The thing that I think is is massive for and kind of criticism of creating an image that every young man looks all all of those similar young men who are going on. ITV's primetime wander around in this room. You trump sold with this kind of twenty year old ex. Pat Can and and things like that and so then they. Yeah they need it by this summer because otherwise the yet. They're not gonNA to be with them. I it's the same thing so cassettes that creates a demand for. Yeah so I can experience in Portsmouth now back in the nineties. Yeah that was my Jim Ma. Jim's been there for about thirty five years maybe forty years now previously owned by Personal Babul Ga.. Aw who discovered Arnold Schwarzenegger as pedigree and so. We're a sole trader. Jim and we're a proper gene when you imagine a GM game doc is volume and you go there to work hard and the time. I think there were two other gyms that was of similar standing like my gin and that was it and that was that was in Portsmouth. But now there's Roco Oko. There's fitness I as the gym called Virgin. I mean I think there's probably ten fifteen gyms the I call supermarket gyms now I actually don't consider them as gyms right. A gym is where you go to work. Hard is gritty heart. Oh you know blood sweat and tears quite literally going to gym working out hard to get the results you want to physiologically change. If zeke takes a lot of hard work now are those. Bigger gyms won't have staff there on staff which is why they're so cheap for membership fees right so they can charge fifteen pounds a month because they're not staff there are manned now. If you don't have a pedigree of staff working there with knowledge another sound sound advice to advise these youngsters and sore say now johnny do it like this is how you Scott. This is how you train Brian. This is a structured routine with the Diet to help you enhance your musculature and build muscle gain weight naturally if there's if that is if they do that infrastructure is not there as most of these gyms on now so they're not staffed and the only person they have to advise them mhm is the person that's training and taken steroids. That's been training for six months and say this is how you do it. I've done it and that's what happens. I have to venture into commercial road every now and then and there's a lot of those big Jim's rather than area and I can see very young men in their early twenties. He's with very rounded shoulders and deltoids very rounded shoulders and deltoids the quite frankly. You can't get that big with that little of training because obviously there haven't been training that long you cut. You just can't get that big that quickly without being enhanced and so are find it shocking. A it doesn't look good. All anatomically right be what HAMAS doomed and sales for the future. Yeah there's going to be a big cohort cohort of people. That are going to be a lot of trouble in ten years or fifteen years from now. I think there's going to be more to come in the news. I think it might go full circle Yay. Yeah that's my prediction and Israel. What you were saying about the Professional Weld with sport where I'm not sure I think about either So obviously if you use abandoned substance any straight out and never be able to sprint again whereas some of our athletes in rich which countries like the UK reports lottery money in you got people at Mo Farah who gets an oxygen tent to sleep in to mimic being altitude and yet the brownlee brothers these swimming belts Yup who installed in their house and I saw all how is an oxygen tent. Ten different. Just injecting a bit more hemoglobin. The line of what's performance enhancing. Yeah I agree. Agree way back up what it was the eighty eight Olympics. It was around that time when Ben Johnson associate so it was eighty. I remember a young lad. I fell off my chair and exasperation. How fast right? I remember watching a program about the eye of the International Olympic Committee and they had this guy with a pixelated face and they said that particular race he's only been Johnson was ousted shoe. We say because at the time if you remember it wasn't a household name was just came up through the ranks very quick career but there were other athletes artists or should be careful. Who names or she'll probably won't say but there were other therefore actually taught they math lease awesome? Ben Johnson tested positive. Yeah I'm sure. I read a book called the dirtiest race in history so so there were four. There were four other top name athletes. One of them was an idol of mine. UK Athlete the other. One was in America who actually won four gold medals at the time now the U. K.. Athlete in actual facts was getting on in years. So and he's talking Lonzo getting faster and faster as you get older now you know. What do you don't get faster leaner? You don't get stronger as you get older. I signed eh done each year. I'm losing muscle. Mass and I'm a measurable percentage weaker than I was the year before because the testosterone levels go down your injuries creeping. You get you just deteriorate and as you should. That's natural biology but there were certain athletes as we're getting older. We're getting faster and quicker. That doesn't happen. And one of the athletes had all the symptoms of using steroids. They were full of Acne and run. You know but they didn't get reprimanded now. Ought believe it was all to do with money. I believe it's all to do with sponsorship so there's a lot of money to the governments of course and I think there was lots of payoffs so that's what happens in that. That high end sport Ben Johnson. Totally new the score is what about the others. But he didn't want to snitch. We say he got a nine point. Seven foil something didn't he. You know it was anyway now. It's interesting very interesting like most things. It's funny is a gray area and on a great agenda on this other than I was interested. Yeah it's just an interesting avenue that you know there were. I think think one year there was a swimmer as well and they were pointing the finger at him because apparently he was using growth hormone Australian God because he had something size fifteen feet which were acting like fins in the water and the doctor said you can only get those extremity so they called a joint through the hands and the feet you only get that type of using overuse of the growth hormone deliberately so bothered the. There's a test for growth hormone because it's naturally coding in the Bolt Archive very interesting. Thank you very much for talking today about. That's it does scare you that the prevalence of drugs gyms and things or do you think a big worry for people. I've a trained all over the world and particular train. All over the states there is a huge percentage of users in the states a huge percentage in the UK. If I'm going to give soundbite of advice to anybody that wants to go training and trained properly properly go to a sole trader. Jim Don't go to the supermarket. Gyms where there are manned unstaffed this is where I see a high percentage of people anecdotally saying Dave you want to use it is not harmful is pointing us. It's fine I've been using it for years and look at me. I'm okay Ontai you. You know that type of thing going on whereas if you go to a gym that's GonNa Pedigree and got a reputation where you get extract. Instructors working working there the no the school could advise properly. You know so we can advise and just say that if you come to the gym. This is how you train because because it's all about the training and it's all about eating proper nutrition to get the results you want as you. I experienced when you first were entrusted crested when he picked up a muscle magazine that rather than thinking. I want to do that. So my next stop is going to the chemist you know when I first realized of drugs in sport was was about. Eight years into bodybuilding horrified was actually horrified as existed. You you know didn't didn't have no clue you know and it was just shocked so yes three years. I am shocked particular. Now when I go down to place commercial role you just see I can just sit down the cop shows yet. They'll taking something that taking something every. Yeah every Gosh I can see. You're definitely definitely yet young face pimple but with my size well arbitrarily thirty five years. It's taken me to get this big Leeson. How's that possible? Yeah well thank you for talking so when you leave here having had y'all I will tell you what some the menu what stage of the kind of cycle of training environment. So the minute so I. I'm in recovery from injuries. At the moment I just been what they call on a bulk up so a year and a half won the world championships or World Championships. Pips we should on a very strict diet for a long time as you can appreciate some burning the body fat. Then I'll went off my and reversed di- did so to gain some some white back on which I did and that took me up so that was about year Ed to do that. So it takes a long time natural trainings as a very long process so so that took me to Christmas last year. And now I've been dieting since January of this year or about seventeen stone Christmas book big out of shape and now now been on. I'm probably about fifteen stone now. So Taunton lose the body to get fitter again and healthy just to take the pressure off me so I'm darting so I should go home to some way doubt chicken a bowl of rice and lots of Broccoli with some good fat fat sprinkled over the top of it. I'll be when Well it's interesting I of things I thank. You very much enjoyed. No it's an absolute pleasure happened to talk anytime you want to about sports and drugs in sports anything you want to me again. I'll be glad not too. Yeah Pronounce Pleasure Eh. I do a degree in the. Hello Welcome back. We do see each other every day in family life but welcome back to the podcast anyway for the ingredients chart the end bit a slightly different one to ones that we've done before. What did you may have you met before I think I have? Yeah what did you think of. What else quite interesting loyal legal the four hundred bucks like how many people use the gyms like with like low? The people use them for that quite interesting. I don't see that much you go to a gym mm-hmm to cross it and my generation thinks your generation is all vein and taking themselves instagram and things. What's it like at the gym? Well it lasts of like a gym where you kind of go that. It's more like classes data though economists use it for but like as an without cost but it's mostly Z.. Classes so I don't see much of that I think it's mostly like peer right mirrors everywhere. Not and people haven't gotten their phones. Ah in the South has offered you any steroids steroid. Do you think anyone that looks like they're on steroids. Now you do go to the teen group so there must be some older people. Just after US Brussel looked there pumped up. Well I think Interesting thing to be aware of I. I've never known offered me the and for a little while. I went to the gym with some regularity when I was at university and things but I think that probably people get caught up in it and it's good to look out for people. Keep them safe. The scary thing I think is the fact that some people inject drugs which just seems like many heavy level of what just the heavy thing to be doing to yourself. If you're not a doctor and you don't really know what you're doing and you've bought some stuff off the Internet and now you're injecting a lot of risk involved. In that one of the things I was going to mention. It was clubbing. Because we listen to previous episodes we talked to the Organiz boomtown and then we went to boomtown over the summer raving in the PSYCHEDELIC forest was good. Wasn't it. Yeah that's really. What do you make of that kind of atmosphere fair? Your little sisters would pass off to bed and the campsite and the menu again quite lakes. It was quite Larry but did you enjoy yeah. I really enjoyed it funny people just wandering around an interesting taste nightlife. I don't think I ever I yeah. I don't think I ever witnessed nightlife when I was only fourteen so cool well next yeah. I think you'll enjoy it because you're still on being placement and my guests next week is really interesting so again next week. Julia view making follow profanity investor.

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Oct. 27: Hear from John Doonan and Denny Hamlin

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Oct. 27: Hear from John Doonan and Denny Hamlin

"Host the coaching across North America and around the globe on the World Wide Web. This is race line on the radio network presented by Subaru at race funding driven by a twenty twenty Subaru wrx on Ti. The timmel sports car by the Subaru. Vr's Ed the painful sports cars at fund drive and by continental tire for what you do. Subaru. Canada presentation is your national radio. Motorsport Authority the race. Line radio networks. I'm Eric Thomas host anchor and Josh Santos or three commander in Raeside massive controlling flagship affiliate sports net five ninety two PAM. This week would smart playoff Kansas City winner getting Hamlin. His boss coach Joe Gibbs Chelsea. Why his team has been so dominant? Here we meet the new president of the International Motor Sports Association. 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Making a forty eight laps stint work to score his tenth. Win of the season. However with teammate Voltairian Botas wanting a third championship number six will likely have to wait for. Next week's tilt in Texas Motel is making this tough and so he should Lewis's leader now seventy four points. He clinches Coda if he finishes with a fifty two point bulge over Botas Canada's Land Stroll Twelfth in Mexico and other points again f. One file well. It took the shirts and ties at one long enough to decide this but renos been disqualified for the results of the Japanese Grand Prix. Caught with a break. Biasing system that adjusts itself. And that's illegal because it's a driver's aid Reynaud loses nine points. They scored in Suka or Ricardo. Finish fix and Hawkin. Berg tenth. The decoy means a Canada's land. Stroll Dental will now be scored ninth and tenth scoring points in Japan. A little after the fact but official of course NASCAR Cup playoff first race in the round of eight at their smallest track the half Mile Paper Clip Martinsville Virginia. But why the heck we need. Five hundred laps at this place is well beyond me. However Martin true ex junior and Canadian crew chief coal pearn lead well over half the distance and lots more to register his seventh win of the season to advance to the final four. Let us remember that. Martin won the championship. Two years ago they could easily do it again. Big Hit for Kyle Busch at Martinsville finished fourteenth. Chase Elliott even worse thirty-six bottom floor below the cut line into race to Texas not tabulated as of this airing NASCAR DOT com. If you need to know now cup clippings took a look at the eight drivers still in contention notice. Something three of them are Joe. Gibbs pilots Busch Hamlin and true x-junior easily their best season ever. How come coach is about the people? We are great people back into race shop preparing everything. Our drivers are crew chiefs and their teams. I think we've got great people right now. We have very very good. Chemistry our sponsors. They're actually in the game with us. And so it's great so great you can call them afterwards and say thanks. Yup May Have a handle on this playoff and that is for certain considering true ex just one again coming up more of the Gibbs Group with Casey playoff winner Denny Hamlin cop stops some of the toughest athletes in sports. Tell you that you should know that. Kyle Larson will finish the season with a broken rib the crash at Talladega. I remember Mark Martin driving almost the entire nineteen ninety nine season with a broken back and we see baseball players. Come out of games with tightness. Sure well here's some good news ratings news for a change. Nascar scoring a double digit jump and a three year. 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Jim had spinal surgery recently to regain some leg mobility but against the good Lord needed him up there for some announcing work. The hair to he was certainly stellar in his radio. Work with and certainly in the PA booth at many tracks including Canadian tire Motorsport Park lovely set of pipes silenced way too soon so very sad for years. Jim was the main man on the floor at the Toronto International Auto. Show in the General Motors display. We've been friends since our radio and TV days at Niagara College back in the Seventies. He had a marvelous sense of humor. And we're gonNA miss that Godspeed. Jim Martin from everybody here along the race. Line Radio Network one of the greats for sure. And that's going to do it for this week on the race line race. Wrap your questions. Opinions and comments on headlines of news always welcomed here fire away anytime. Share your thoughts and theories with you. Philip gear heads across Canada could win you the Grand Prize in our Subaru race. Lonnie mailbag Trivia contest. If you qualify to win we play the contest in a few short minutes. Okay Josh a pitstop right here please. But up ahead in our first guest segment Nas Car Cup Playoff Casey winner Denny Hamlin then later new IMSA president. John Dune this is race. Line presented by Subaru. A range of formats drive this week at your local Subaru dealer anywhere along the race. Line Radio Network. This is Marci X. Junior. You're listening to race line. Radio subscribe to our radio shows at. I tunes war with your favorite podcasts. Do not settle to man man's for snack five ninety-two fan on demand. Canada's National Radio Motor Sport Authority the race line aradio number mentioned this in the news. Take a look at the aid. Nascar drivers left the play down round debate. Three of those guys drive. Toyotas for Joe Gibbs racing. Kyle Busch Martin true ex junior Canadian crew chief. Coal Pearn with a pair of playoff wins going into Martinsville and our first guest with his recent victory at Kansas City. This has been one incredible NASCAR season for the former coach of the Nfl Washington. Redskins Gibbs could set some records by the time. We're all done into the Casey Media Center therefore for some questions for Denny Hamlin on Race Line. Radio fire starts speed media. What's been clicking for you? So well lately I mean everything really. Everything's good The cars fast we're executing well I feel like I'm giving the right information to the crew chief to let him make the adjustments he needs to make a faster Thought practice was really a telling sign for us that every time we came into the pits to work on it when it came out it was better and so we really did a good of making our car better through the weekend Even though didn't qualify that or all that well being twenty third or so. I knew we were going to have a car that was going to be able to go to the front. And that's what we have Sterling K. C. O. U. Danny this is statistically one of your best seasons of your career As it gets later and later into the playoffs. You've had experiences you've had you have experience in the playoffs as it gets down towards the end of the season with that experience in mind. Do you feel more to you in the team. Feel more prepared this year to make a charge at a championship. Yeah I mean I think that Certainly were running As well as we ever have We've were contending for race wins weekend week out We've got great great engine's Great Cars. Great Engineering Everyone from tr D. J. Gr has really put together some good race packages at all types of different racetracks and there's really Even though the next few weeks variants of you know you gotTa short-track got a mile and a half and then Kinda got a short-track hybrid in in Phoenix. We feel like we can win it every single one of them so I I just. That's one thing that not allow drivers. Probably say that they feel like they can win every single track they go to And that's that's been the case for us this year. Dominic Otago recent experts in ESPN Radio Albuquerque. Since the beginning of the year you've passed drivers like Dale Jarrett and Fireball Roberts. On the all time wins list sesame you take a look at the ones. That was something that you pay. Close attention to not really. Yeah I mean there's there's there's you know hallmark wins. I mean you want to get to thirty one to get to forty wants to get forty one get fifty so forties next goal and I think we can reach that very very soon. Hopefully early next year would be would be nice thing unless we can run off four in a row here over the next four weeks but I I just you know. I can't believe kind of the success that we've had My career's been way beyond anything. I ever expected But it's been because of the people I've been aligned with and that's that's no joke. I mean I've been with race win race. Winning Organization would j jar with the same sponsor the same team Toyota now for for over ten years so most of the successes come with those guys and so I feel like we've we've just got every everything is it. I've got everything I need to go out there and win every single week. It's up to me to go. Gavin Jacob Than Steve at any Gavin Dough from Nascar College Media Program. Here you know two thousand eighteen. You came winless season but this year you have five wins in your balance with you and Chris gave. How strong has that bond been with her? Scape heart this year is it's been a game changer. I mean he's just he. He prepares differently. He does a lot of things that He asked the right questions and questions that I don't necessarily think of When we're debriefing between practices or even During race so I think he has the bigger picture always in his mind. Of what what we need to do to be better and so It's it's because of because of a crew chief driver relationship. That's such a huge part of success in the Cup series and our city switching to him as equal success for us so we really got a good thing. Goin' and hopefully we can continue that momentum for at least four more weeks briar. You close the soft buddy. So would you be disappointed if you did not end up winning the championship this year with how strong you've been yeah. I mean it just depends I mean I think we we believe that a successful years making it to homestead. Anything can happen one race. I don't think you should necessarily deer succesion a successor for or a failure. You're off of one race. I think this year as a whole we would consider this a very successful season even if something were to happen in the next round. We certainly wouldn't be pleased about it but you just you just. Everyone tries to do the best of their job. And let the chips fall where they may but we are not going to let one race dictate. Whether this year is a is a success or not well denny. Congratulations on winning this race. And Good Luck. The rest of the plaintiffs. Well this is the kind of season Denny Hamlin fans have been waiting for right for regular season wins and one in the playoff as good a chance as he's had to win a championship under the Joe Gibbs racing flag. All Right Josh. Let's work in another pitstop but still to come Subaru race. Lonnie mailbag trivia contests the new man in charge of IMSA sports cars. Mr John Dune and this is the ranger line radio network. This radio returns in a moment. Your money sign up for our free podcasts. At itunes or with your favorite podcast. You're and we'll send you a free subscription for sports net five ninety the fan on demand absolutely three Canada's National Radio Motor Sport Authority. Don't you know the race? Long Radio Network. I'm Eric Thomas Thomas Tales columns an inside track motorsports newsmagazine and on the web at Sports Net DOT CA. So where are we flying once again with our astounding? Yes scoop ru race mail trivia contests another Grand Prize back to win if you qualify by answering the Subaru Trivia questions correctly. And your email comments if you do. Your entry goes into the brake drum with a winner drawn at random at the end of the on-track racing season first week of December. Yeah the qualifying question. Is this one the optional performance package for the Twenty Twenty Subaru? Wrx includes a braking system upgrade. Describe that upgrade okay. Again qualifying question the optional performance package for the two thousand twenty Subaru. Wrx includes a braking system upgrade. Do what is that upgrade. Describe it. Okay US Eric at race line radio DOT CA connected. Enter the Trivia contest to win the prize. Pack Okay US Eric at race lined radio DOT CA to connect enter the contest. That's capital E. R. I k. symbol at wrestling radio. One big word no gap in there and all dot. Ca Eric Ashtrays Line Radio DOT CA. Now go to the mail bag and get some comments appearance. Cba believe is how you pronounce his last name. Hope so appear in sports net five or any of the Fan Toronto. Where here's the program Sunday Mornings at seven for the repeat the repeat airing of the program then? The new show Sunday nights at eleven o'clock Eric. The Optional Performance Package on the twenty twenty Subaru. Wrx The brake upgrade includes G. Got It right and we all Nice Work Pirin. Yeah a correct way to go. He's into the The brake drum chance to win the prize. Pack now he could enter a course this contest as As many times as he wants he says. Eric what is your outlook on. Land Strolls F. One progression well I think at the end of the year. We're going to look back sadly in and and think that was a regression I think so. It may have simply been a parallel move. There was some speculation that the former force India team that was purchased by Lances Dad To become the racing team that he would make some improvements over Williams and of course their cars really been nowhere the last long while which is unfortunate but we thought maybe by going to the team. His Dad took over With no trouble with financing and a lack of funds holding them back in terms of development and making the car better but Up to this point into Mexico Lance out of Montreal obviously as only recorded half a dozen points paying finishes his best finish so far this of course he's going into Mexico fourth in Germany and that was back in July so you know it could be worse. I suppose he didn't start very well. He's he's sort of been languishing. You know mid packing and near the back. He has not been qualifying. Well really at all so I think maybe the end of the year Appear IN WE'RE GONNA see and describe his year With the the racing team to be Maybe a regression as opposed to a progression but We'll keep our eyes on my still think. The kids got some got some ability. And there's some talent there that hasn't been pulled out hasn't been realized because of limitations on the car and the team but you know maybe next year who knows it might get better but I still think there's some talent there to be realized for Lance Stroll. WanNa finish off what we started last week with With the with Perry Afford Annatto listens Monday nights at seven eastern on newstalk Twelve Ninety C. J. K. In London he entered the contest and he was successful in his in his answer. But he also asked me something I had to pull it over to this week because we were running out of time. He says with all the drivers. You've interviewed over the length of this program. Who would be your favorite interview and your worst interview Yeah pretty easy to you. Know to talk about. Who's the best? And and WHO's the worst of the twenty seven years this program? We've interviewed literally hundreds and hundreds of drivers one of the good things about this. Gig Is that unlike baseball And certainly do a much lesser extent hockey guys in hockey normally. Very good football guys normally good. You rarely get stinkers in this game of racing. Automobiles most of the guys get most of the guys know. You've got a job to do. And despite the fact they've been fouled on the race track and they've had a bad day very few times we ever get refused an interview or get a bad interview of guy because he's he's in a bad mood the best interview well. It has to be John Force I mean his animation alone is worth the price of admission Kenny Bernstein another a great interview. One time he was in BRAINERD MINNESOTA POURING RAIN. He jumped into a phone booth on the side of the highway to make sure that he got his interview with race lining phenomenal guy up when. I got him in a bad mood. I guess maybe the worst interview was one problem on Toyah. This was down in In Miami homestead years and years ago. I don't know whether he had a bad night or something had happened to him personally but he was not interested in talking to me at all and it was supposed to be a feature length interview and I called it quits after two minutes because all he was giving me one word answers I guess. He's a little notorious for doing stuff like that then again. I've seen him. You know very very very animated and joking around with guys so I just got him at a at a at a bad time. And that's a a little unfortunate but you have to remember that the you know these guys are human beings just like you and me and maybe something rotten had happened to him overnight. Maybe you know something. Maybe he wasn't feeling well. What have you and that happens? That happens from time to time. But but Perry was asking me what the best interview was force Bernstein. The INDYCAR guys are great. The Formula One guy a chance to interview haven't been that bad at all and And that's sort of how that tallies up senator contest. Entries are comment Eric Race Line radio DOT CA to connect to enter the current trivia question. You need to Correctly answer the qualify the optional performance package for the. Twenty Twenty Subaru. Wrx includes braking system upgrade. Describe the upgrade all right. Let's work in another pitstop right here. Josh go one on one with the new incoming president of the International Motorsport Association. That's Kim said Mr John Donovan. Mrs Line presented by Subaru for the ultimate performance. Test drive up. Er's at sports coupe this weekend along the race line Radio Network Lewis Hamilton. And you're listening to race line radio. This ain't like when you're at a game sign up for a credit card just to get the prize and then you immediately cancel the credit card because there's no price when you sign up for a radio shows at itunes four with your favorite podcast here sports net five ninety-two fan on demand your paper. New Canada's National Radio Motorsport Authority in Newark Twenty-seventh Consecutive. She's Eric. Cannata are raisch line. Radio Network over the phone twenty seven year life of this program. We've always made sure that sports cars and endurance racing receive primary coverage considering people like Canadian Motorsport Hall of fame. Ron Fellows Scott Maxwell and others like Roman deangelis and Parker Thompson et. Al have been and are currently some of the best sports car road racers in the world. Not only that Canada's. Most famous racing address Canadian Tire Motorsport Park host. The biggest sports car show in the land as the Lone Canadian. Stop on their schedule. With the retirement of Scott Atherton a new man will take over as we roll into two thousand twenty. So let's meet the new president of MCI. John Lennon on race line radio. Scott Pruitt called you a racer to the core I don't know if that embarrasses you or not but does that accurately describe who you are well first of all. Thanks for the opportunity to be with you and thanks for sharing the story. I grew up at the race track with my hat and my grandfather. Frankly who were the racers? To course so I think Biogas MOSES I I to Eraser onto the core. I grew up at the race. Track SUPPORTING MY DAD. And all of his fellow racers for that matter in the paddock. Getting to know them getting to know their stories ending them tools and being attract Grad in some ways and I you know I learned from the grassroots level all the functions of proper racing program from the administration of registration to working tech inspection to grid to the pit lane being a corner Marshall In my later years and then really getting the opportunity of a lifetime relative to the monster program and all of the things. We've been able to experience over the last seventeen years there and I said there was really only one thing that I would Depart Mazda for and that would be To be part of the family so right I couldn't be more pleased and excited. We're talking to the new president of the International Motor Sports Association effective just after the turn of the New Year John Dune race. Line Radio Scott Atherton's but at the helm of this thing pretty much from the beginning it is you know seeing it through various stages of evolution and and And Change You. No doubt want to retain his solid building blocks. But I I would think that you WANNA put in some advancements of your own. Would I be accurate again? Us As it was before we turned on the machine here. It's only your second day in the Office. But you gotTa have some ideas back in your mind that you want to keep what. Scott is built. Obviously but you. WanNa put your touch on it and advance even further. I would think well first and foremost I come in to him. So certainly under Scott's tenure at Bennett's tenure the entire France families Volvo with him so and it's an extremely stable ground. You have a long-term television partner. He the long-term tire provider With NBC Never Long Term Entitlement narrow weather tech outstanding Oem partners nineteen of them to be exact. So it's it's very comforting to walk into a situation such as this At the same time. I think we've all talked about it and with our. Oem Partners about working on growing the audience identifying the next generation of fan right and engaging with them to help grow what is already an amazing platform whether it's one of the development series or single make series to the Michelin pilot challenge which is absolutely amazing road racing the weathertech championship which clearly is some of the best if not the best endurance sports car racing in the world. Would there be a pet project in the back of your mind. Somewhere John that you'd you'd like to see instituted In the organization before you're all done. I mean that's a. That's a hard question to answer. I understand that but is there kind of something in the back of your head so you know what before we're done here? I really like to see us try. Maybe even just try this. You know to the Idea of growing the audience and identifying our next generation. No several years ago When I was with Mazda we instituted a a stem program where we brought Racecar driver with an engineering background in curriculum around science and technology engineering and math the local schools. And I do believe that what we do in Asia is a really special and unique form of racing With clearly a lot of technology around it and I think In ways to engage with an audience Growing audience in future audience. It's programs like that not saying that that's the the golden nugget but Programs like that bring Our content while its Obviously available on NBC and and through the APP and through NBC's App there's opportunities to bring the content to The new audience and engage with them and Try to earn their interest and excitement. over what is again an amazing platform to start with? Yeah for sure. We are in conversation with the new president of MCI effective just after the turn of the New Year. John Our special guests on race line radio. You always want sports cars. Slash endurance racing John's retain that exotic high-performance stature. But you know at the same time make sure that it stays affordable and relative to what manufacturers are doing on the street and. That's not always an easy thing to do. Is it? No not at all we have Constantly focused on as as the OEM partners costs and containing those costs bracing as everyone knows is an expensive venture but as we look to current and future regulations it is about allowing the race teams drivers the corporate partners to be involved at a cost effective level and really focus on the storytelling and getting the content out to the the audiences that currently Follow us as well as that new generation. So we WANNA put on a amazing show. Which is I think what everyone saw throughout the twenty nineteen season at all levels and then I think the focus would be As we consider new regulations to really be cognizant of the cost associated with it and continue to make sure that everyone's investment is realistic as providing the right return for the race be Oem Partners. The automakers that participate as well as our non endemic Corporate partners and really. I think the vision is to continue to create a stable environment and continue to grow it at a sufficient pace but also realistic face before we run out of time here. I being in Toronto. Of course I do want to talk about the Canadian influence. Canadian tire Motorsport Park. You're only Canadian. Stop on the schedule John. You Know Ron Fellows Miles Brandt Jerry. Priddle TORONTO A premier event on the calendar. I don't think I'm exaggerating by describing it that way. I mean not at all What the team at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park is done with the facility With the fan experience is absolutely fantastic. suddenly that track became one of my favorites. It's always been a favorite but an extra favourite this summer when the Mazda program was able to score win. They're stuck in a row on the part of that. Three in a row run Over the summer but Love that market. The fans are always engaged excited And come out in big numbers and No matter what venue we compete at In twenty twenty and beyond it's It's always a favorite and and love working with Ryan and my house and their team up there To continue to grow that we have done some things in and around Toronto to help promote the event and dance. I hope we continue to do that. With some pit stop demonstrations and some other Exciting opportunities to show those who may not have been introduced Endurance Sports car racing As of now Give them an opportunity to see it firsthand but then come out to the racetrack Sit on the hill and enjoy what is become one of the most challenging and exciting events on the calendar absolutely. You're excited about this new posting. Aren't you you sounded this new? Yeah same excited is an understatement and it was Boyhood dream to to be involved in the sport and to be with Mazda They say masked up there we do reporter but You know to have this opportunity in an organization that I've followed since I was You know young boy is Another dream come true in life. And I'm just thrilled that I'm GonNa do my best and give every ounce of energy that I can to carry on with Scott has done And at the helm and also carry on and grow Really what the France family and the Bishop family started Just over fifty years ago. Johnny Gonna. Thank you very much for a few minutes delightful talking to you. Congratulations on the new IMSA presidency and everybody here at the race line radio network across Canada looks very much forward to working with you in two thousand twenty and beyond thank you so much for the time John. Thank you as well and We'll see everybody at the rate very highly respected in all racing circles. There's the new incoming president of IMSA Mr John Donovan exclusively on race. Line Radio Okay Josh. Let's work up that final pitstop they will return for the last lap antics. We show up a few more things besides this race line presented by Subaru Howard to the heart pounding. Wrx STI now. Fourteen time rally manufacturers champion on the race line radio network. This is Brad. You're listening to race. Subscribe to our radio shows at I tunes or with your favorite pod catcher. No medical exam or health questions will be asked sports five night fan on demand. 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How Lessons From Esports Past Drives Esports Future w/ Repeat.gg CEO Aaron Fletcher

Esports Network Podcast

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How Lessons From Esports Past Drives Esports Future w/ Repeat.gg CEO Aaron Fletcher

"Hello and welcome into another episode of the E Sports Network podcast in partnership with Reuters. As always. I'm your host my dreams and remember if you work for a company looking to expand its reach in Esports e Sports network has opportunities across digital media podcast suck at video programs. We are looking for sponsors across the entire e Sports Network portfolio. If you work for a brand that is interested in that opportunity. Please reach out to e-sports network CEO Mark dimmick using the email in the bio of this show. So welcome into another episode or rapidly approaching 200 here on the E Sports Network podcast. We're also approaching the two-year anniversary to bile Stones I pretty excited for Today we have a great guess what? I'm really excited to talk to. He's Aaron Fletcher the CEO of repeat. G g. Welcome to the show. Thank you. Thanks for having me Mitch repeat is a sports tournament platform that uses Ai and automation to create competitive experiences in tournaments that have the capability to host millions. They work with Brands like honey and zaps to use gaming tournaments as a way to reach the gaming audience wage. They also provide important analytics to help Brad's measure the success of their activation. They have a player base with hundreds of thousands and have grown five hundred and fifty percent over the last four months. Aaron was also a professional gamer himself. He described himself as an omnigamer from 2002-2012. He was ranked in the top ten in Australia or the world in a wide variety of toffee Sports including CS star craft call of dead Guild Wars MMOs and racing games since that. He has been an entrepreneur the space as the founder of pro gaming LTD X Y gaming and now of repeat. Repeat. Wow wage I'll just show we're going to talk about big entrepreneurial T Sports improving the metrics or a branded activations of the space at the best way Brands could use Esports to connect with this audience. So Eric go through the companies you found it quite a few there are plenty of starts across this industry. What advice can you give to some one of the first steps of fouling their own Esports or gaming company that you wish you do when you were starting out darn raised before you have Mom don't do anything until you have markets it it's it's that's it. That's purely it. I guess there's two things and don't be a dick but the the biggest one is definitely until you have some formal Market 5th and you can find out if you go to market fit pretty quickly just talk to people ask questions find the right people finding users find those things find out how much they willing to pay find out if they're willing to basically walk or use your product find out all these sort of things and grow that first before you start thinking. Oh, this is amazing. This is going to work cuz I think there's there's and and then I guess the other one actually is learned from birth. Past experiences and a lot of people don't do that, especially with a t Sports because the history have a have a chat to someone like either myself or have a chat like don't talk to someone who's a consultant that's been in the year in in the game two years talked to someone who's being in the industry for twenty years because they will tell you a lot more valuable information than someone who's been in there for two years and only knows about the currency because the current scene it's all about raising this big money about raising this big capital and you don't get the history of like the companies like tournament.com the raised a hundred million dollars and went broke over six months. You don't have seats need a CDL or CTS. I think it is that raised a hundred million dollars as well and we're broke after a year-and-a-half. You don't have all of these kind of things and we're play verse was as an example before they became what they raised what they are now off and that that you kind of could find on the internet even though I know the history there and there's a lot of other companies like that that you'll that you you only get from the perspective of people that have actually been in the industry because people have a game Get it either scrubbing the internet or it's just hard to find anything that isn't relevant now absolutely agree. It's the same advice. I give to student journalists. I talked to quite a few classes about hey, what could you do any sports journalist? What if we want to get involved in this space? And the first thing I tell them is get to know the history of the space get to know everything that happened with Major League Gaming from 2002 to 2010. That's where the start get to the creedy sports Association how this developed in Asia and that will guide your accurate reporting on this space if you understand what happened long before you probably got involved in it that was the case for me cuz we got a school, you know, I was in the 2015 2016 range was like, oh massive Madison Square Garden League of Legends. This is crazy thing off you go back in time and you're like, okay, let's look at the Madden tour bus as like an example of where it's these things that happen is sports over the time that I think are really crucial job. Like understand how we got to the place where at today and then helped give you those guiding lessons to make sure that the same mistakes aren't made. Well MLG an ESL at two really good examples of understanding their Acquisitions why they happened what happened with the issues they ran into especially MLG with God Frank cuz they had a whole pile of litigation issues with God frag when they did their acquisition why they got acquired by Activision and wage. It's it's an interesting story. That's probably better for another time. But in terms of those sort of things and that history that was kind of built there is actually really important because getting a quiet is a skilled gaming platform different platform broadcasting platform any of those by a publisher is a huge problem from both illegal Nightmare and a whole pile of other things because the skilled gamer is 18 plus as well as the tournament system requires 18 plus or Parental Guidance cetera, et cetera. So it becomes a Minefield on those sort of things and then you've got ESL same thing going through their acquisition and the different times they are now with mods. This group and and the difference in the kind of the company structure cuz everyone says he s l and they see these companies and they're like, they must be making it a billion dollars and I'm like, yeah doesn't look like that. It may seem like that from the outside cuz they're doing these large events and they're doing these things. But in terms of the revenue is not driven as much as you kind of think from that. It's really driven through the Publishers. Yeah, if you're done if you're not the publisher gave and you work a t sport chances are the money is not flowing your exactly there's only a few Outlets the kind of work and I've been in basically every single facet of that because I used to run events with the young. I used to run a lot of those sort of things with them for a long time. Actually u c l e s w c w c g a lot of the events around those and running those Live Events is is great. But it's like a break even marketing cost. It's not a it's it's what you'll use to fuel income elsewhere. Not what you're used to make money lost leader marketing basically at this point. Yeah, exactly. That's it's a funny industry to be it especially as we look at where these Sports organizations are going. This is totally off topic. By the way. Just the I had em for this wasn't for a podcast but I talked to Jason Lake in Andy Miller Jason Lake complexity CEO Andy Miller NRG CEO for audience. I do you do that. They were basically talking about hey, we're going to make Revenue eventually with our religious the Publishers of Olives. That's that's what we're counting on to make money in the mean time. We're going to keep building our brand up in whatever way we can we're to keep trying to capture feds. But really we just need to log get to a point where Publishers need us to enter the game because that will bring fans that will bring the marketing there looking for and then the Publishers have to reward us for doing so and that's kind of just walk the biggest eastwards organizations in the world see this space right now and that's it tells a lot. I think it will you actually have a look at most of these Sports organizations or actually converting from competitive Play De comme Recreation almost all right, converting over to that for Revenue basis cuz I've talked to a lot of these guys you have come like you've got Team Liquid as an example of trying to push in the text side of things cuz we've talked to him a few times about what they're doing for Thursday. We also consulted with the guild who raised with David Beckham, or they paid David Beckham to re it was it was a debacle. It was a drastic they they they are doing a good job. I think they really heavily like ninety percent of the money that they raised is purely attack. It's not to do to build out the team and build out anything on that account on the arm competitive site is secured purely build out both the content side as well as a Tech play on them because of the end of the day all this content and everything that they're creating in these fans and these users they need to figure out a way to monetize them and monetizing them generally comes through like merchandise. It comes through tourneys to come home a brand deals. And unfortunately, if you're the best game in the world, it doesn't mean you have a massive following you may not be entertaining to watch. So therefore content creation becomes king for this and which dog And fuels Brands which in turn fuels everything else and like I just talking to so as as Consulting with IDC, I think like probably a couple of weeks ago. I was I was talking to them cuz they're doing metro sports at the moment and it was a pretty interesting conversation cuz they're one of the first companies that isn't Yuzu that isn't that they're doing it. They're doing Esports Revenue a very different way. So Esports Revenue right now is off late. It is how much so it's like one point two billion or something. It's basically nothing compared to the publisher revenues like a hundred and sixty billion. So and that's where most of the revenue from E Sports is actually going. So what they're doing is they're doing a bottom-up kind of approach and looking at all of these other things that are kind of skewing it. So right now Esports revenue is calculated with just brands that are paying for events and advertising and all the way around that around which basically whereas they're looking at it from the other side of things and they're like, look, there's all this gambling Revenue that's also generated on top of Like betting on these matches and all this this looking that's that's showing any sports revenue and you've got companies like skills that their revenue alone for skills is bigger than the revenue of every single e sports team exists in the world in his voice. That's that's that's just what it is and they're doing Esports tournaments. I guess you would call it but there's there's a distinction that it kind of needs to be made in that industry and it's not being made a lot of conversations is there's a difference between a sports and then and Competitive Gaming. So that's that's a big distinction point that is pretty fascinating to me and I've had there's a episode we're going to publish next week where I talked to a professor. Dr. Seth Jetty who helped write an article titled the 1 billion-dollar myth and it basically wage it. It takes the to the competitive game and get Esports vague. It is like actually all Competitive Gaming is Esports, which most people with these Sports Community disagree with wage. And it's like this industry is actually worth $25 billion dollars. Yeah, and I disagreed started the conversation by the end of it. I kind of come around to it. And again we're getting totally sucks. I want to ask about repeated these tournament platforms know I find it. I find it very interesting. But basically it's like where do we draw the line and they found yeah, the major Publishers epic games real games brought in the revenue somewhere about twenty-five twenty-six billion and they're like, well their games are you a sports games? So that's all Esports revenue and that's not how it's qualified by June zero or by GC when you get the 1 billion dollar Mark and then you have other people like the Kotaku article being like actually the 1 billion dollar Mark is too high. That's way too high. That's a bummer. So, you know the the page to this industry are all over the place and a lot of it comes out to the distinction of what is and what is not Esports. And so I'm curious from from your perspective a talking to brands on this wage. How do you cut through the muddy analytics, especially when working with major brands that are used to very clean-cut analytics generally when they put marketing budgets out. So we actually provide them with analytics that makes sense. So we actually built that for a reason and what we're doing is like so our platforms built out so that Brands can both a B test their advertisements they can geo-target they're having a woman's they can track the metrics on them. They can see how well they're performing. So this advertisement versus this age group or this audience in that tournament is performing better than this and this we also guide them very kind of Heaven which game titles through Target because those game titles are very specific on demographics as well as your graphics. So if you're targeting for night as an example your demographic like the average age in most of these tournaments is like basically just above 18. It's like eighteen point two, whereas if you're talking in games like Call of Duty, it's like 21 to 22. So it's like 21.5 is the average age of these total dead. So the older demographic if they're off to they going to be going for different game titles League of Legends on the other hand skews older again. So and then obviously depending if you want to gain for the Asian Asian market you're going to watch the Legends you're going to want those sort of titles. If you want to get the Indian market you're going to want pubg if you're going to want basically the American Market you're after either two titles, which is called in for tonight. So it's very kind of different jobs. And the the other thing with working with all these branches them understanding the how they want to they want to throw up toward events there for game titles that they lob or they want to throw title was a game Toddlers and they expect if they throw up a hundred thousand dollar prize pool for a Hearthstone tournament as an example that they'll get a big viewership and that's sadly not the case. They have to they have to adapt to the culture and off the trans. Anyway that was getting off topic but versus basically them trying to get them to adapt the other way, but in in short, we provide all that Roi and all those metrics. So we we give them a report on every single tournament. We do every single event log. Host we give the report metrics daughter and that sort of stuff. They kind of made. Yeah, good luck. Trying to get people to watch her Stony Sports. I say as a Hearthstone player her some people don't get mad at me. I played more her stole probably that almost every one of our listeners. It's an absurd about at this point. I have kids. I love the game. I love the game play to read I've got like 6,000 Arena win something like that. Like yeah. I played this game or Saudi Sports never took off for a reason and we had fire about on the show in case he was want to learn about why that never took off you could hear from the first world champion. So go find that podcast if you'd like to learn about why people don't watch her Stony sports package, it's red. So you're very specific on how you kind of do stuff too. So like fortnite as an example for. E Sports is actually pretty terrible. Oh, yeah, there's always been terrible. So rarely gets off cuz I do it in Battle Royale mode, but now you do so we run we run our CIA and BFG BFC with with some of the teams we work with so TSM is an example. We work with on o c i a, New Jersey Posted it yesterday. I think we're a number 125 on on Twitch on for fortnite, but that's not a battle. Royale. It's actually we're doing his own Wars which is a basically 2 V 2 or 3 P3 mode within a fortnight that we're doing is customs so and that's way more engaging than watching a hundred people because it's about building a story. So the reason Esports is so successful for the viewership is because of that story about a field. So the reason catastrophic is always done better than or do too or legal edges is always done better than fortnite when they do their big ones for viewerships is because of the stories they do because if you have a fortnight game where you drop a hundred people into a map there and you're trying to basically try to create a story between 100 people where you're seeing them follow each other you're seeing them like go up on each other. They're going to push this you can't because you're trying to follow a hundred people and you just tracking people getting shot. That's it. And it's not very exciting. It's like, oh cool. He shot him. It was impressive, but it wasn't like a lead up to it. Whereas if you look at Counter-Strike game, Could these other games it's basically you follow the story of a player and you're like always going in. Oh my God, he dodged that he did that it it's exciting and then it's like oh my God, I can't believe he did that and it changes the whole attitude and that's why it's way more exciting to kind of watch that and that's why they're looking to start converting some of these game modes over and that's why fortnite has taken off for a lot of these but it's it's not playing the traditional mode. That's all it is Zone Wars. I've used to write for fortnite Edsel back like two years ago at the height of fortnights popularity because anything that I've fortnite at the title, you could get you could get rid of clicks on an article. So it's like the pay was the best at all of these sorts of gaming journalism side. That's how this industry works by the way in case you're not familiar with it you have to and I remember that was made multiple arguments like this is the mode and I didn't have a name for it. But I was like, this is the fast-paced action that fortnite needs to be successful as Sports goes the battle royale things never going to work back then those before they even had any sort of birth. Structure that was like pre fortnite World Cup all all that kind of stuff and it was I'm glad they finally made it. I feel like if they'd made it during the peak of its popularity with the game could have really expanded the entire Esports side instead of continuing to focus on putting swords in the day before a million dollar tournament. But just what a debacle that was wage, we're off topic topic again. This is my fault. This is my fault. I want to be very clear one thing. I wanted to ask back on the brand side. Yeah, we mentioned analytics and you know in my conversations with people around adweek a t Sports Insider. I've talked to quite a few Major Brands and off the Record. I've heard from many more where hey this is where are things breaking down, especially when it comes to the top level of Major Brands and there's three major reasons I hear for why something broke down and I'm curious from your perspective. The first is holding to outdated stereotype. It's what the gaming demo is to any association with violence or brand safety at 3 the lack of analytics. Now, this is probably a bit of a flood exercise. But if you had to rank those three months for most common roadblock to least common, how would you rank those violence is definitely So you you're talking about ranking them with working with brands or ranking them as often like what like is in why we run into a roadblock when we work with brands or yeah, I guess I guess most likely reason you run into a robot is it violence grants safety stereotypes for the gaming mode that are probably inaccurate or analytics. Yeah, so generally violence is definitely one. So a lot of our advertisements even for God so some of the companies we work with have direct Partnerships with a couple of Duty so we have to go through an approval process with them. But but even on the advertisement we use for those tournaments we have to have avatars without guns and it's very awkward delayed. A gun from a Call of Duty skin when when you buy the products that were helping them sell you get that skin in the game as the promotion. It's it's an interesting the line to draw and it's fine. I think there's nothing wrong with that and we we obviously adhere to those kind of guidelines because we have two it makes sense. Like I get it because of the audience that kind of targeting May skew younger or older or whatever it is. So they're worried about those sort of things but it's it's an interesting one. So that's definitely probably one of the biggest ones. The second one is definitely start of stereotypes is I don't think that's a barrier that we ever run into with braids that we have a problem to be able to sell to them because the stereotypes the problem is is instead we have problems with them. They have these preconditions of stereotype of these game is that it makes it a little bit harder for us to convert. So we have to do a little extra work to basically like how to use examples of any of the brands who work with cuz I don't want to say any names but Thursday Some some advertisements we got from that brand. They sent me a list of twenty different advertisements and they like hey, these are the advertised we want to use as the messaging. I told him within like three minutes like how use any of them. One because they were going to be all PR nightmares for that brand because they're either female focused on certain things male focused on things. They should know if there was preconditions of the gamers and everything has to be technology if we throw up a whole pile of really cool overlays and we put headphones on them and they're staring at a computer. That's a VR holographic computer it so so that's where stereotypes becomes a problem for us because we have to kind of break that barrier and say look game is a normal people They want insurance. They have cars they eat the food. They go to the toilet like every wage so that they toilet paper there's all these things that are consistent things that every game are that they're still humans. So treat them that way and let's let's try to organize that because like if you're doing an advertisement for them, it's much cooler to throw off. really cool, looking graphics and really cool looking stuff and then in-game assets and all these sort of things at them then try to Try to appease what they think the stereotype is. And then yeah, the last one is analytics that's always a problem. We have to we we take quite a pride in kind of pushing out as much as we can to give them the best results with adjusting an AP testing and all that because at the end of the day if we do a good job with that they come back like that's it. It's it's it's I don't understand why no one wants to kind of focus on that because if your job and you do a good you do it. Well the analytics and the. Is there then they're going to come back as a repeat client. It's simple. Yeah, that's the easiest way to make your case multiple times is to show that hey this worked out fairly odd. Here's the the ROI audit. It was interesting. I thank you for going through those. I thought that was that was quite interesting and it there is a very Stark difference between brands that understood gaming and you could tell like you said in the first three minutes you could understand. Hey, the person behind this brand is a gamer or has some sort of knowledge of this space for a dog. They're not and I just saw with the Ford F-150. I covered that for adweek this week. They one there was one thing that made it clear to me that they understood the space. And that was that they created a freestyle rocket League competition, which is free styling is basically just doing crazy flip resets jumping off the ceiling bouncing off the ground whatever you want to do, but it's a fairly Niche part of Rocket League community and people inside it are are well aware of people freestyling but a brand like Ford is not always going to be and that was kind of like the okay these people probably get it because they've made a smart competition to do this and then I'm hoping that they also are mandating that all eight freestylers are using Ford F-150s because that would also be surprised if you wish if it's amazing like those the videos that get rid of and I assume they did their research on that for Rocket League the videos they give you worship are those videos that do freestyles. They do the the double Taps triple Taps the stuff off the roof to basically do the trick shots, and I'm like, it's amazing job. State I'm like cuz I play a ton of Rocket league and it's it's hella fun, but it's the best. It's amazing. It is amazing. They did such a good job with it. But yeah, I mean, I think I think it's about sixty seventy percent of the brands. We work with haven't done a ton of stuff in each bought before so we kind of this between myself Scott banasky and there's like, there's like three or four of his and our team that have been in these Sports now for fifteen years. So whether it's on the tax side the marketing side the team side, so we kind of want to guide them through that as much as we can and we kind of offer kind of like a conscious service to do that because of the m a exactly as I said if it goes well and it performs well, which we want them to do that at the end of the day. It kind of helps us in the answer. We always try to aim for that like and you don't see that enough a lot of these guys are like am paying is 50 Grand would just do that one and done and I'm like, that's not how it should be just do the best job. Like it's it's it's and get it done properly. Like if it's going to cost you and your margins are only wage. 10% instead of you know 40% It doesn't matter at the end of the day just do a good job. They'll keep coming back. Absolutely. Absolutely in the interest of time. There was one other subject that I want to talk about. We bought touched on it earlier, but we're touching got a lot of other things as well. And that's the value of the Branded tournament which is kind of core to what repeat does and something that I've been noticing more and more brands are stepping up to do. I saw JBL did one with 100 thieves a few months ago. We were seeing and Valor it we were seeing quite a few Brands host some of the initial rollout of the Valerie Esports and hosting their own tournaments their wage that war on the east side with repeat hoodie Zapped using these gaming tournaments as a way to connect with the gaming audience and sort of a different strategy than just buying sponsorship space. What is a tournament divorce that other bread that activation is at the space do not so it's not that a tournament delivers what they need two degrees how you do it. So we do it a lot different to kind of every other platform out there. Jump on a lot of our competitors websites and you just do a tournament your values almost nothing and I can tell you that with certainty cuz I've got the case studies there with the kind of the backing behind it off or viewership and it depends on what you're off. So if you're doing a tournament like they're doing with a hundred thieves. The only thing you will leveraging is viewership of the very best players. That is it you get three hours to capture that audience and nothing else. So you have a tournament there with a hundred thieves you get three hours of viewership on Twitch. And if you don't capture what you need to during that three hours, you've lost that's it. There's nothing there if you like you have a look at home FaZe Clan did one there with Verizon that got a thousand viewers you then have a look that they basically refined that over time and eventually they end up getting Thirty or forty thousand viewers for the dollar and one I think it was very good with that. But you have a look at your call a series that's taken a long time for them to kind of get off the ground and do that and they've done a good job with it because I think she probably did an amazing job purely cuz they kept a consistent. So with these tournaments and these series if you keep it consistent, I think you're going to drive down. You worship and do a much better job, but the problem is is that that's it. You just getting viewership what we actually do with that is a little bit different. So we do we do these series there that are very similar to the viewerships. You see that they do with the other brands like Thursday. We we host qualifies for them. So as a quick kind of thing, we we create our asynchronous torment. So our tournaments they are aren't these bracket bass tournaments. You'll you'll see everywhere else. So where you have six people and all you can have a 16 competitors in it and then it gets down to eight competitors to competitors and whatever that's it. They play and a half each time and 16 people coming to a website and looking down over time. It isn't it isn't enticing like it's just to a brand who cares what we do is we create qualifiers. So these are asynchronous tourneys. What an a secret is totem. It is is basically we track every game is a place over the time span of the tournament. So this could be a week. It could be two weeks. It could be a month. However long that kind of Lost based on their performance in game. We track things like death skills gold collected off. Healing done all of their statistics are we calculate the overall score for that game and take their best to match has to make up their overall score in the tournament. Then we order all those interests from higher to Tom lowest. And basically we turn these players into a fantasy sports player within the game. So what this allows us to do. Does that sort of make sense? Yeah that makes us to me the I love the fantasy, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So they basically there aren't fantasy sports player when the game so the better you perform the better you play the better you perform each of these games you play the better you rank. That's it at the end of the day. That's that's the way I'm kind of thing that we kind of Leverage that we then track all the different ranking systems and everything like that to make it fair play for everyone. But at the end of the day what this does is allows us to create tournaments that are Global it allows us to create tow truck today. So if you're in Europe and North America and everything like that, you can all compete in this together because you were tracking your scores new metrics you're playing and then also on top of that we're able to create these tournaments that have ten thousand twenty thousand fifty thousand years. A hundred thousand people which are huge. So if you have a hundred thousand people coming to the page and because the asynchronous and it lasts a week a normal bracket tournament, you're basically allowing these users. What they do is get the 16 of them. They come back each weekend and they play their one game and they look at the page and that's it instead because we're updating your analytics every single time you play a match what this user is now doing is let's say that's what about last week their jobs in the tournament. They press their one button to play. They now go play the game like they normally would they check their results and they come back to the site and they're like, oh if I got two extra kills, oh my God, I would have gone up so they go back they play the game is repeat and it creates the cycles and now they're coming back to the side two or three to four or five times per day, which means they're seeing your advertisements. They're seeing your brand you're able to update those you're able to change those you be able to do a ton of different things around, which is kind of amazing for a brand. So instead you're getting ten thousand people seeing your advertisement three to four times a day with positive sentiment because you've done something for them. You haven't just tried to sell them a product you've created. An event you've created a tournament for them to play and it's amazing. So and then then you get all this Cloud around it because sorry what are the other things that we make sure that we do is we always try to pay Thirty to forty percent of people in that town. So every other told him a platform tries to play pay the top two to three, that's it. What we always do is we try to pay the top thirty to forty percent because everyone thinks they're better than average. So everyone thinks they can win song everyone thinks that better than fifty percent of people 40% close enough. They think they have a chance to win. So they keep playing they keep trying they keep doing it. So it creates this kind of always on kind of tournament mode where these users can keep playing off and so does that sort of make sense of what we kind of do around that? Yeah absolutely makes sense. It sounds very similar to what the daily fantasy sites dead as far as accessible with which is hey we're going to pay out quite a few people and you're only going to get paid out maybe double your buy it or whatever it is, but you'll get you'll get paid out and you'll have a chance to win and if you miss one thing that doesn't mean that okay. Well now there's no no, there's no way Jose. Finishing in the top five or whatever. So I'm going to quit so it's much more inclusive competitive structure and what that a lot of brands are fighting a lot of success with. Yeah. So we kind of that's how we kind of do a lot of things and then we have offer a whole pile of things on top of this for the brand. So the entry fee can be customized for these Brands. So the tournaments are free to enter but they can be the entry fee to use it could be they have to download an app for them. They have to watch a 30 second video. They have to complete it to two questions survey or they have to do an action for that Branch. So something that helps them so they're not just getting advertising throughout. They're also getting an infection or an action to start with and it creates a massively different way to kind of do it. So the problem with bracket tournament is is if you're trying to Jose 10,000 person bracket tournament, you'll now have to schedule a 25,000 matches in a period of a week. Even if you're scheduling a match once every three minutes. Good luck. You're still not going to be able to do it. So so that's why logistically everything is completely automated phone number. And there's no people power needed. There's nothing like that. That's why we built this static, but that's that's how we host our tournaments. But on the event side of things like when you're kind of leading to to start with is we we host if she qualifies so with oci with with TSM Ops we're doing right now which we had yesterday with sixty to eighty thousand viewers concurrent at any time throughout the whole day. What we were doing is we hope they qualify them. So the qualifier lost from Monday to I think Saturday and anyone in the world can has a chance to play in that qualifier. So we get thousands of people showing up for that qualifier and the top two places get to play either in a Pro-Am every single Tuesday with the professionals. So the top ten players in the world, they get to play in a tournament with them to track basically play against him in his own words to see how well they stuck up or alternatively we sometimes host a program where they get to play on the same team as the professionals and what we do is we have what's called a carry tax. So if the professional wage I have one of the the the the players to qualify from repeat on their team. They get paid an extra $1,000 if they win each of these matches. So basically we call it a Carrie tax because they carry them to get there so they loved that job for cloud. That's that's a cool. That's a cool tag. I like that. I just had a thought while you were answering that. I have a totally flush this out yet. So I appreciate any critiques to it. But I'm curious, you know, the last of all the trades that are happening in Esports Atwood's the franchise League move, especially as it happened in Call of Duty where Call of Duty went from a very open ecosystem to a very closed one in the span of months four months basically for the move from cwl to CDL and I'm curious if that opens up more opportunities for Brad's and for other tournament structures because there isn't as many like Hey, we're going to try and qualify for cwl tournament. So we need all these gamebattles wins or all these other things. Is there more opportunities for Brandon tournaments now that we move towards a club Used ecosystem like again. I have not fleshed this thought out whatsoever. But our people more interested like the random Community tournament now because there's less being put out by developers themselves. I I don't know whether there's less or more like to be honest. I think I I can't really answer whether there is a reason because I think they're the problem is the industry as a whole is kind of on a curve growing right? So I think there's more people wanting them regardless, but don't know if it's because of that like, I don't know if that is kind of the linchpin I think four Brands there's definitely a few more opportunities because the Publishers will want to see a struggling with the brands that they have on board you take actually I'm not going to name any names but some of the Publishers are talking to us as ways to help them because they're looking for Outlets because there's a reason they lost for 3 months, but they have these big brands on board that they're like, what do we do for the other nine months? So they're looking for Outlets to kind of work with platforms like us to basically support those Brands Over, Georgia. They basically what are they do for the other six months or nine months or however long it actually is and so they're looking for Outlets that actually help them as well because these Publishers they don't build tornament platforms. They don't create all of this. That's not their job. It also becomes a real problem for them as a publisher to host these tournaments because if they want to host these tournaments directly in their game four nights being happy doing a very good job with it, but there's there's there's a lot of restrictions on how they can do stuff and it's because they have to be over the age of 18 will have parental consent or have all these sort of things if they are under eighteen so it restricts a lot of what I can do. Whereas a third-party doing that they can do that a lot more seamlessly interested. Yeah. That's it's a great Point. Like how do you deliver value for breads all the way around so keep them hook basically and you're not constantly restarting with the start of every new year being like, okay. What brands do we have this year? You know, let's keep them around keep them doing these long-term Partnerships and we're dead. Sorry to see more and more but they're they're coming with the I guess the Intel and e s l Partnerships the longest running in all of like Western Esports. Probably maybe anything else change the lights. That's pretty much it to be honest is that it's probably the biggest one that's being consistent. You've got newer ones that are coming with Toyota with the OverWatch League. They've done that every year I think but okay thanks to Bobby. Yeah Cricket big coke of Coke have been an interesting one. They've kind of gone in and out of a lot of their Partnerships to be are they being consistent in any sports? But in terms of what they're actually doing is change quite a lot over them and they change positively I thought they were OverWatch from the junk. Maybe they they had mean but it's not it's it's not as it's not as prominent as I think like them. I sorry, I think I think it's just over watches General is just not huge to be honest is why I'm like kind of wrapping it off compared to like if they're in for tonight. It'll be a big difference because the game is like 10:00 exercise wage. Makes sense makes sense makes sense. Yeah, the MasterCard League of Legends is probably on its way to being that you know, is that right now but yeah, there's a couple of others too I Come Around the Esports minute Alienware and Team Liquid or just in ten years off genius is and monster about to do ten years. So there's some interest here these Sports organizations. So I didn't even know monster had been around for ten years. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. I tweeted it out as we were covered as I discovered the liquid Alienware thing is like anybody these sports do at the other Partnerships and somebody somebody grabbed and pulled up a tweet from e g and monster and were just like hey this started in 2011. Here's the the first tweet at at the monster rep popped. It was like, yep still going strong for nine and a half years. So it's it's fascinating looking it just sort of the length of some of the brand Partnerships and that's how we're finally seeks. The bread's reach. These really long term miles. They haven't changed a lot like 2013. I think it was kind of like the the Lynch point where it kind of changed it off. Either ridiculous on what kind of everything kind of 2013/2014 before that it was a mess. Like I was getting sponsorships for some of my teams and stuff like that. You're getting maybe five k a month for five dudes. We had raised theirs or a house for us for 12 months was interesting and they just basically just paid our rent. So like it wasn't like what you had now where it's like back then it was very vastly different. You were still wage scrapped me to get stuff like I mean, I was still letting probably ten Grand a week from Diablo 3. I think I remember when I was playing that that's where my income came from. This is the brand sponsorships and stuff like that. It was definitely a lot less. It was like yeah five grand a week and we'd have three to five sponsors, right? They're they're willing to cost right up septic exactly. Yeah, five grand a month. This is now it's like you're getting a sponsorship deals. I know Cloud Nine is an example. They won't accept any deals less than half a million dollars for a reason. I know that it could have talked a lot of them there which makes sense because they're getting off of these bigger things birth. Are you going to kind of push down for a little a little kind of all the smaller ones? Yeah, the 100 thieves cash app compound who I don't know how much that was worth, but it's worth it's worth more than five. About they'll tell you that much. I was there literally I think it was in February checking out the place and made an eight-shot and stuff like that. I think it was February right before covid-19 de kind of broke loose it was it was interesting we had to there and take a look would compound. It's pretty cool. I'm jealous. I wanted to I moved to Vegas in like late January and was like awesome. I'm going to go to a bunch like I'm going to go see all these different places all these took its facilities and stuff and then covered him. So now I'm I'm still still looking at it a hundred thieves. If you're listed here. I know and your PR rep used to listen to this show. So I'm still interested in Government after the what's we can't do it, but are before we get too off base again. I'd love to have you back on the show to kind of just talk about sports history and some of those moments along the way of khong. Really interested in what repeat is doing as well. So I appreciate you coming on sharing your perspective on all things these Sports want to give you one final chance to turn the mic over to you. What do you want people watch it out for looking following month coming from repeat the coming months. Yeah. So obviously we're going to be pushing it done more game titles game modes. We're doing a whole pile of custom lobbies and Integrations directly, but I think there's kind of three major things will be over the next twelve months. So one of them is published Integrations directly within the games. So looking down at three different avenues for that. Also Discord direct integration. So being able to play access to your tourneys and everything direct Discord are natively through the app as well as the ability for and then the third one is is the ability for Brands communities and kind of everyone to be able to have repeat Autumn is directly on their app when their app or website so we can kind of push that out there kind of organically and go through that. So we're doing a ton of different things that are more focused on how do we allow others to connect to US versus basically building our dog? Feature sets cuz I think it's it's it's important for us to not try to we don't want to drag all these people from Discord through our website. It's like they have a community that's amazing already on that app. How do we feel that? They already have this amazing community on software already, utilizing or technology. How do we feel that instead of trying to basically try to drag someone over cuz it's the same message you do with this with gaming culture is you don't try to change the culture. So if your brand coming in, don't try to push your culture on gave me it's the other way around have yourself adapt. I love that. I love that understand the gaming audience and it will the gaming audience will pay back dividends. But if you don't they're going to mean your brand to all yeah exactly embrace. The meme is one of my favorite like three word slogans for out braids get to be successful with this space is hey, if they start moving you roll with it off like tweeted like you'll get the retweets. You'll get the the engage with it. You're hoping for we've done a ton of stuff with different brands and I think it's probably one of the biggest things we've said like we work with the US Army we work with Turtle Beach Jack Link's honey gave up two teenagers. They're all clients that hours and all of them. We kind of push that same message and two teenagers I think is doing an amazing job because all they've done is pump out a ton of basically Call of Duty memes and they've done a good job with their promotion. So I think they're doing a really cool job. I do I would love to work with the number one brand. I'd love to work with just a shadow Wendy's if you're listening come talk to us cuz you do some really cool stuff and I really just want to work wage. They're out with a team cuz that's what the team is hilarious. They're absolutely fantastic. I sent a message. Actually. I've been watching a lot of Tik Tok and Arby's is killing it on faith. I haven't seen that I'll have to have a look go check out their Channel. They did a great one where they seemed like they were holding an influencer hostage and she was like, we have the we have the meats and it was awful. Yes, like behind it was it was great great meaning and then stop comments. Arby's got like two hundred thousand likes to talk. It was it was as far as I said that to the head of creativity a tad week like is Arby's to take talk about what these is to Twitter at you laughs. So we'll we'll see if I can write that article in the future but it's awesome. The the fast food meme Wars on social media are definitely one of my favorite like odd going things is happening at branding it just kind of Brands not taking themselves too seriously and allowing themselves to have fun and then seeing the dividends paid back through that wage. Yeah, I mean like the end of the day if you Embrace these game as they hear your name and you can find a kind of helping them and and and Grading in their culture becomes a completely different message. I think Turtle Beach out of all the brands of the best job doing that becoming an unknown brand that no one knows that's literally wax for your car that have been able to agree themselves into the community with such a good job by supporting Esports because at the end of the day off you're presented by 30 different brands in front of you the one you're going to buy is the one that supports your passion. That's it. So did you say turtle beaches like a wax? Oh, no, Turtle Beach. Sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, it said, oh sorry. I was like that's like Wax it was totaled totaled. I'm sorry. Okay, instead of total acts of continued their sponsorships with it. I think they've done a really good job for a frayed non-endemic brand done amazing. It's definitely definitely really dead. I was like Wow Turtle Beach did a great job of a really ingratiating themselves of the Esports can be terrific is a one of the brands that we work with just recently last month. So they really quite close in my head. I just keep sorry around the total way. I you know, it's as an easy bit easy hop to bake. But yeah, I find the bread they really funny and there's so many brands that have found a ton of success in this space just by and bring a gaming community and and gaming audiences and so yeah, there's there's a very clear Mark of brands that get it and brands that don't and now we're seeing more and more major non-endemic who are starting to get it the car break-ins doing a very good job. Ya BMW Mercedes Ford, even though like luxury Brands McLaren is one of the really nice I had sponsored a a team in Asia as well. So it's like there's a ton of Major Brands figures out Nike Adidas and Puma all doing really cool work in this face that all basically started two years ago and now all through Heavy Sports presences so it's a fun space to be in as far as with covered the brands any sports in general but to our audience Aaron I got to let you go where 45 minutes here. I know you got other things probably should do today. It's beautiful Thursday. I'm publishing this on February 21st. I believe it's not super time-sensitive. So to our audience if you're listening to this the show before this one is with my boss Boyd. He is the creator are the CEO of gravity road, which is just launched an e Sports branding marketing practice out of you and mr. Jones. They also announced investment in Griffin gaming partners are going to be talking about that new marketing practice as well as what partnering with a VC firm allows for a marketing practice a little bit interesting conversation there and then our next show will be the gamer hour. Of course every Tuesday at 6 p.m. Pacific time coming out with Chris Puckett Talking Dead. To some celebrity. I have no idea who he scheduled up 2 weeks in advance, but Chris bucket will be talking to some great celebrity and you'll be able to hear that show here on the E Sports Network podcast or on the gamer our YouTube channel this shows with Darren Fletcher the CEO of repeat. Aron a pleasure. Thank you absolute place on Mitchell.

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A Lap Around Montefino: Sector 1

"Thaddeus sounded presents casual friday <music> written and read by albert <music>. Tonight's presentation is brought to you by laurie s._p._a. All roads lead to bellary a lap around montecasino aw gareth byrom wants equated a lap at monza pheno to a running of the bulls. If it were or held in some shop with a lot of fragile things porcelain maybe by a different name stork picturesque glamorous swap magic fraught with peril malcolm holloway described it is dicey at its most controlled benito moretti called it foolishly reckless before his tragic death the acclaimed circuit in one thousand nine hundred seventy one a race that would be outlawed stripped from the calendar if not for its prestige said spanish racing superstar antonio flores the only thing to warrant warrant the danger of montalcino is a victory at monta fito a feat awarded only to perfection mhm since nineteen twenty six the world's top drivers have gathered on the scenic shores of the italian how in rivera the most procedures race all of motorsport hobnobbing with the world's wealthiest and social elite the one a small fishing village. If mantra pheno is the crown jewel of road racing disciplines across the globe from touring cars and g._t. To to the open wheel formulas which are part of a multi tiered program governed by the international motor sports association here young racing talents show off their skills and climbed the ranks from delta through beta chomping at the bit for a seat premier chalon formula alpha motorsports is preeminent racing series and on the fourth sunday in august arguably the big stage in all of sports montalcino montefiore no grand prix <music> hello with the eighty third running of the prominent race a mere week away traditionally held on the final day of the montefiore biscardi festival. The city is buzzing with excitement by land air and sea hundreds of thousands pour into the exclusive lucid resort town the microstate capital by the same name and the italian region up to bully by the libertarian see it is an atmosphere like none other yeah at two point. Four six miles consisting of twenty turns with minimal taking opportunities that you curto diamante pheno runs. I'm closed city streets and takes nearly a month and a half to set up barriers curbs. Even the grounds for the popular scotty guard where scotty racing fans alike purchase wristbands for an unlimited sampling of the area's harry is famous not concede infused biscuits team principal for the privateer nielsen wilhelm racing team scott. We'll have junior stated that in their nine years of running the grand prix with nine retirements resulting from issues of reliability contact or core streaker reeker in two thousand four the glazed cinnamon raisin biscardi remains at deliciously sweet consolation still all eyes remain fixed to the circuit true star of the weekend revered sports writer and racing an enthusiast damian higgins once wrote start to finish high and low on the inside and the out hard on the brakes or flat out it shimmer shimmer in the golden light running up the sea thousands of kilometers of myth and magic the immortality of montefiore sector one eh a lap around the legendary street circuit begins with a short sprint off the grid along the vibrant maroney via heart of montefina commercial district own too extravagant designers like conti report report the air and bruno gallo who turned heads at milan fashion week earlier this year with their cargo turban worn by czech supermodel martinez said look and accessories style consultant michael costa called elegant and practical rumors leading into race week have the twenty eighteen model of the year painting the town <unk>. Laurie read on the arm of jahic reicher three-time german world champion and closed toe sandals designer whose recent creation in the men's yak hair hoff was shown off in a saint petersburg staged collaboration with yacht chic linen master benjamin tweed racing down the champions s ballade drivers jockey for early position before the high speed sweeping left-hander up the iconic cappella rosa curve named after the cafe situated awaited the base of a hill known for their fish stew and horseradish clam coolers owner of let kubota larosa bernice catalonia eagerly awaits the influx of racing teams and tourists every night celebration she says and to anyone nursing a hangover or looking to start off a proper day of spectating on the right foot. She recommends the same to everyone. Cappella rose rosa's hearty breakfast drink made with white wine and fish stock a whole prong bay leaves a dash of black pepper and a spritz of seawater for the soul as well as any lingering mouth sores has montesinos party scene runs rampant carefree tendencies and with every drink comes an official kiss from the eighty-seven-year-old restaurant tour and town treasurer patrons are made aware of the cafes full lip service us by somewhat shrine of a sign of the bar hanging next to a black and white photo bunny as the locals her at age fifteen winning the nineteen eighteen forty eight title of miss montefiore climbing forty one point three meters at an eighteen percent gradient cappella rosa sentence through the narrow streets of the old town as residents crowd the balconies of their brightly colored houses lining the road a deafening cool war of cheers high-octane racy seizes the senses assist spectators watched the field of racers charge up the hill under their feet vibrations bursts bursts of engine and throttle shake the foundations of the centuries old structures on the opening lap of the nineteen seventy-one grand prix british driver in matcher after starting at the back of the grid due to a brush with the wall and qualifying made up eight positions off the start before flying china cappella rosa flat out this in an era when lifting off the throttle into turn one was vital somehow miraculously keeping gene his yokota cameras sponsored b seventy one extra out of the barriers and remarkably gaining three more positions matcher later stated that a beep <music> trapped inside his helmet caused him to miss his deceleration mark the nineteen sixty six montecasino victor and world champion managed to muster twelve of tours from the circuit before retiring from the race numerous basting so the fix swelling his is virtually shut the following year matcher return to the italian coast wearing a black and yellow striped fire suit with stinger and matching helmet it bore distinctive signature on the back the four or wing devil unfortunately matcher would receive his second consecutive d._n._a. In the north of italy after his commemorated stinger proved unmanageable manageable discomfort which the team could not remove due to a contractual agreement with golden makers on after cresting cappella rosa drivers enter a heavy braking zone for the one hundred degree right hand corner of santa nella named for the church sitting just back from the barriers. Its landmark bell tower still stands tall over the old town. Although the main building today is chiefly used for the church's lucrative production of rosary beads handcrafted to varying sizes these religious montefina staples of the work of two battlewagons sanctioned crafters putting in grueling sixteen hour workweek wake the centennial beads praised for their prayer properties boasting an impressive answer to non answer response ratio before every race bishop etzion pisa gathered with the locals at sunrise to pray for the safety of the drivers and their girlfriends and as the annual allure of montefina brings out to the circuit both the wives and the girlfriends in one thousand nine hundred eighty six wife of driver for all of our graham and his then girlfriend engage publicly in a bare knuckle broaden the center of the p._s. Del mar after running into one another wearing in the same gifted couture jacket. I la belle scrap escalated. When italian reporter sylviane nucci wielding a wired microphone entered the monument wrote raymond sporting her own high sewn white denim customization by the french designer a known style warn and celebrated by gram throughout his career. The racine and fashion worlds alike cold him the white denim wizard because in addition to his fashion sense his style of racing seemed sorcery. This flattering handle became the premise for the nineteen eighty-five live choose your own adventure book the endless race by acclaimed children's authored p._d. Penny back readers follow the three hundred year old white clad wizard wizard and five time formula alpha world champion and oliver graham trapped in a never ending fantasy set mont the pheno grand prix controlled would by a malevolent entity in the sky with a skull for fakes causing accidents and creating obstacles brandish from there or been few seconds and <hes> <music> murmurs ran through the nineteen ninety-three paddock when actress sandra michael's girlfriend of brazilian logan finan edson sosa was poisoned with a powerful stool softener while dining at the waterside restaurant aluminum so says wife at the time <music>. I'm catalina marseille. Although not legally given the ongoing marriage annulment to former grid girl whenever styles with suspected of administrating colin cocktail after an engineer from the american jack ralph racing team noticed miss marseille the restaurant that evening making out with a busboy by the bat added after sending nella it's back on the gas for the slight uphill straight straight with a fortified left hand kink known as castle formerly the castle straight runs along towering stone wall of mont fino's eight hundred year old castello de l'armee perched on the hillside built by leo sanni family in thirteen forty seven after obtaining the land and the trade of a slightly used goat and local historians call aggressive inbreeding castle remains the oldest structuring all to fully with the right hand side of the racing surface sloping toward the sea a break in the buildings creates a wondrous view of the city in marina below before the straits banged aimed high-speed ben brings racers mere centimetres from the castle wall per tradition spectators use colored chalk to draw and write messages the job on the fortress stones this year many of the pastel sentiments bid farewell and thanks to the finish finisher the fen to win heike cocooned makanin holds the formula alfa records for both consecutive starts and driving the furthest without the use of hands an achievement which stands unrivalled at a distance of four laps around delara a full three tours more than nevins astonishing nineteen seventy-nine final laugh at the equally distant wellington park a lap that witnessed the blustery brit prodding around the course that crawl in his number sixty six lee jackman entry stuck in fifth two dislocated shoulders navigating the turns by frantically pounding his head against the steering wheel in nineteen eighty seven fans awoke on race day to find on the castle wall a large map detailing the whereabouts of the fabled lauch treasure count jia sepe cisco youngster teammates wesley pratt and giovanni lorenzo team laura the belgian wafer company and and three time constructor's champion continued their battle off the track trying to outwit one another to the lutes location after several other racers in the a hatful of engineers missed the grand prix entirely courtesy of a humorous collection of brave and bumbling escapades it was later revealed that the map app was merely a promotional campaign for a new beachside liqueur bar the other side of the peninsula the spritz check <music> a <music> out of castle drivers blast uphill passing seen under the single span laurino arch bridge where duke maffeo the eighth winkler sister cousin and brother in law to all of their road third the docile zeile was hung by the neck after lane with someone from outside the family before the second year off access right hander of screwed up to complete sector one at the highest point on the circuit fifty-six meters above the lowest point turn forced gherardo was considered today the first of only few you were over-taking opportunities on these stories streets locking oneself to the gearbox of the driver ahead allows challengers to slingshot their race this craft around the outside through the exit of castle and position themselves for an inside line although straightforward pass in the modern v six turbo the hybrid era or for that matter the nineteen ninety two and nineteen ninety-three seasons that welcomed robotic arm braces and self steering cars to eliminate driver fatigue in nineteen seventy five more nerve was needed when the dashing and daring american driver eric smits did it famously aimlessly on two wheels known for his tail happy elbows out style of racing the blonde haired surfer nineteen seventy four or logs magazine centerfold august issue made a late lunch into screwed owen was squeezed on the inside by his championship rival at lead the lorry driver the wild south african danny jordan. Smith's cut the curb and pitched the right side if he's jack ralph t._r. Dr one machine into the air in spectacular fashion a claim formula alfa photographer said sydney lubo captured the incredible moment through the lens of his camera a photo that upon closer examination revealed the racing heartthrob gesturing jordan with his middle finger while completing the past with half his wheels off the road so join me this entire race weekend for our special all summer event as we continue our lap around montefina with sectors to win three this has been a production of thaddeus ellen burg's casual friday written and read by thaddeus <unk> owned berg with an introduction by nicole seach and artwork by adrian level. This series is independently produced by thaddeus allender to find more episodes of information visit our website at t. E. casual friday dot com or email us at contact dot casual friday at gmail.com aw.

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Tough news for high school football

KUOW Newsroom

01:00 min | 10 months ago

Tough news for high school football

"More tough news for student athletes this week. There will be no high school football season until next spring in Washington state correspondent Tom, Bouncy has more the governing body for high school sports in Washington voted to move this false football, soccer and volleyball season's to spring of twenty twenty one because of the ongoing coronavirus, pandemic Greg Whitmore is the athletic and football coach at Lind Ritzville High School in eastern Washington. He took part in the state boards. Decision with Moore says his goal has. Has Been to hold onto sports for the benefit of kids, mental and physical health but I don't think there is anyone in the boardroom, or at least on our zoom call virtual boardroom that felt we could get a higher risk for two football played this fall the Washington. Prep Sports. Association classifies cross country, running slow pitch, softball and golf as low risk sports that means at least for now. School districts can offer those this autumn if they choose I'm Tom Banzi in Olympia.

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Lost Tracks: Nazareth Speedway

Pit Lane Parley

29:16 min | 1 year ago

Lost Tracks: Nazareth Speedway

"Uh-huh welcome to another episode Tain Parlay Welcome to a special episode of Pit Lane. KARLA WE'RE GONNA call this First Episode D. We lost track sedition. We're going to start with my home track in Netzer speedway and I enjoined by one of the guys from these. Save Nazareth's Group here with Tim Sullivan. Tim Thanks for joining me tonight. Thanks for having me. I really appreciate you reaching out to be from You know so for those who may not be familiar with is located near me about an hour and fifteen minutes north and Tim Tickets through Steve Founding in the real old school of What was then called Nazareth national speedway all right right So I'm not sure how many people actually no There was actually a horse. Track closer in the the middle of town back in the eighteen fifties Sounds like your old style you know. Of course I think it was like a mile milers half-mile but it was around. Like nine thousand. Nine hundred are so they moved out of town to where the site a where the track is right. Now in the bill a half mile track and that's currently like where the giant in in all those stores are a a on one ninety one and two forty eight so they didn't actually start Auto races until about nineteen ten so in those were like those like motor Polo. I don't know if you've seen some of those screen shots or they were the old like tractors. I guess if you will and it was like water polo or like a horse like the that we're used to seeing in booth polo stick and you're driving around in a car. You're smack balls around. I didn't last very long but the note that was. Actually yes. It's funny. I'm just reading my notes here wikipedia calls at Auto Polo Ended it actually drew a crowd of at the time which I guess is pretty big in ten thousand eleven thousand people which is pretty substantial for kind of a rural area in northeastern Pennsylvania. Yeah so gone. A bit further down The I like large raise was hosted after after world. War Two BY TRIPLE A. IF I'm not sure like a lot of younger people are of course saying younger. I'm not that old either either but a lot of folks that don't know about AAA and other things that they used to do like that back then and then and for a large race was about thirty cars or so in a crammed in with eleven thousand people or so. That was a pretty big that back then So a second track was built in nineteen sixty six. So that was the larger one mile BURTT was actually one one eighths the odd length. But you'll probably know that there was actually two dirt tracks there Jose oval at and. Then there's a smaller half mile. Sounds Bill Sixty six. which is the current ration- in early Exact location of that track So like during the during the a A one thousand nine hundred sixties. That's when the bigger track hosted like you sack events and whatnot and it was actually. I think it was in in sixty six. That Ellen Serbia Mario so like the big big time hero you know was beaten out out by someone. That's not from the area so I'm sure that was a for for a fun thing to watch. Yes it's funny Everybody a associated with the track with the ANDROID. Obviously since they will now pretty much all lives down the street or nearby but Alan Sir is actually the guy who on the first USAK race. They're big names like Alan like like a Was David rudiments. Dad buzzy rude. Yeah Yeah like you had this old school names that like l. a.. People think about it because they just go. Oh it's Nazar has got to be ready right We had the large oval Closed down around nineteen seventy-one but the smaller tracks stayed open. That hosted your weekly dirt nights stuff like your like your modifies in your life. Your legends sort of stops that went on on while that track was closed in it wasn't until nineteen eighty two where the were both tracks were purchased by a local businessman. Blendi Cardi already. A lot of people know that name but that was like a local up. PA Guy That he has attract promoter and whatnot so he he bought both tracks but sadly with running both tracks that gets quite expensive so in eighty seven a it was a seven that does purchased by Penske and then the large over was paved over was actually slightly shortened and and then paved over in the small oval was sold. Elaine Co which for those people that don't know about lane cotswold grocery store. Chain for as millennials. You may or may not be old enough to know about that but like after that was paved you handler like the the Nascar Busch series in the trucks will and modifies. They had carte Obviously so then I'll ran pretty much up until it closed in two thousand four and then you know the track was Paul also as Penske was getting out of the track game which they own which he own Michigan and auto club and so it's like Houston only get out of that and he was starting to sell those off so he actually sold at two. I C which is your your international speedway corporation bloomer. Hatim that's up up the US oppose so as like the big expansion was happy with Nascar. You have these. Bigger corporations is biology tracks. And what they would do they would go. Well there's a market somewhere else so as opposed to having somebody else owning compete. We'll just by encloses says he had to happen to tracks over across the US so they actually moved. The Nasdaq dates Watkins Glen. And I'm sure there's some people that may not know but those stands on the front stretch or actually the stands that I used to sit in when it was here. So so it's Kinda like kinda frustrating when you go Glenn like those stands don't belong here kind of like the general rundown of of like what transpired so you know there's a big tracks like Indianapolis that you know that's been open since nineteen fourteen or whatever. Yes there's always binny's track here will whether it was in town or smaller drove lord larger one lights lights There's always been something there as kind of you know. It's kind of sad to see when I was born in ninety one. So that's that's where my dad took me. I lived up the street so I could hear it like I was not even like a mile away as cart was there. I'd go outside like Michael's well here. Michael all excited and you know but we don't have that anymore sadly so yeah I'm sure people on the show of heard me say a abundance times. They used to run around the grandstands while my dad was still working for car but it was such a cool facility Some of my notes that I'm going to share with with everybody here attract when it was paved was actually advertised as a one point. One two five mile track again. Just like the track I'm sorry a one mile paved track but the actual measurement was a l. less than a mile so teams figured out how to really get good field strategy there and once it was officially measured it was actually point nine miles so and not really young not quite a mile although it's essentially the same thing and the I. R. L. In the last rests on two three years of the track Used a measurement of point. Nine three five for timing and scoring although NASCAR car kept it as you know one mile until two thousand four and I do always laugh. I don't particularly As everybody knows pay close attention to NASCAR but when you see Watkins Glen you see the standard really familiar. Remember before I first time they were up there. The grants were there. I feel a little sad. Dad was the first place. I saw any sort of racing in one of the first tracks in the northeastern area. Another track ET AL cover in the coming weeks is Trenton speedway which is also very unique. Very very unique he can vary early. Nineteen hundreds tracks of another one. That's kind of a forgotten area By both the open wheel and NASCAR standards in today's world. But obviously we have richmond coming back next year which is great Let's look at some of the winners here as pretty cool Danny soul than actually one in Iraq race. Here as you mentioned Al Unser won the first USAK racier. Mario Andretti won the second USAK. Zachary's here something no was the old Marlboro challenge us to run run. Their back was delay eighties. I think it was like the Big Lake is basically the all star race but cart. Yeah it was Those were those refund races to watch which If you can find them online they're they're definitely good Let me ask. Let me ask you a question here. I'm GonNa this is typically something I do to my co host but let mrs you can Guess here the only person to win the race here in back to back years would be. What driver would be nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety man? Dan I don't I don't WanNa say now for some reason I was GONNA say Little Al but that's that's not right you'd be incorrect on that one I honestly wouldn't wouldn't would know to be honest so now it's all good I appreciate all your insight on the on the earlier of the track here. I know I didn't tell you that this would be going on beforehand. Dan Did I. It's actually Emerson Fittipaldi. Who wanted with Patrick Racing and ninety one with penske Nigel? Mansell one here. Paul Tracy you see one the Twice at Nazareth and then The late Great Dan Wheldon won the final race here in in two thousand four. Let's see some interesting notes. Be Two thousand race was actually. I believe the week after the indy. Five hundred because it was postponed due to snow. Yes yes I remember that year I was supposed to go and I think plus Elliott in April and like the whole the whole tribe governs no and I didn't and the being able able to go because then my mom went and stories issues like yeah. Yeah we went and Michael crashed or whatever and then like she's like crashing flames or something. I wasn't actually there so I don't actually know that crash happened but I was like Oh man and you know just had snow in April that would that'd be very common for the for the northeast of those who aren't from the northeast Like Tim and I. It snows really weird times here throughout the year but some other notables Again another unfortunate late great driver. Greg Moore won in the cart indy lights days Roy Swan in the Cart Art Atlantic Championship Christiana Demata. Let's see here rob. You'll everybody's favourite. Mike Groff won twice year on indie lights. I think GMAT will get a kick out of that one because I brought up his name a couple of weeks ago and I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong here. But this was Scott Dixon's first I win in two thousand one or resists second ever on a Salas's I could cook as I remember on facebook when they were her car was doing like I. I don't know those acidic to Scott or if it was deleted as general events throughout history but they streamed that race on facebook live. And I'm pretty sure I way back then. It was pacwest racing Matt's favorite driver Elliott Casher. NEVA's one there in two thousand three the second so last year and and See Bobby Ray Hall another semi East Coast Ish favorite one in Nineteen ninety-two. Let's see who on Michael. Michael Andretti won the year. I was born that's Nineteen eighty seven for those keeping track at home Let's see here. What else we have? We had some. We never had NASCAR whatever. It is like Cup series was back then but we had the busch series in some of the the truck. serey yeah there was no I think it was Kenny Wallace. I don't WanNA throw one of the bus but I remember there was a race. I think it was him and he was there and he was complaining about it. Being five turns does sound for it does sound familiar millier. I don't know either It probably was Kenny walls because he says a lot of ridiculous things but I don't I don't recall And if you follow Marco Andretti you saw a more recent picture of Nazareth which is kind of depressing but I will find that and put it on our social media four when we released the episode here But the trek looks like it's probably never gonNA come back but I'll We'll end our short. You know lost track. I lost track segment with Tim. What do you know about a what's currently going on there and be? How can people help out the save? Nazareth Earth's speedway group are so. Here's here's lowdown. Let's see back in September of twenty eighteen. Gene it's been actually just over a year. I started a petition and just as as a disclaimer. I never really Believe that I was actually going to do anything I've got. Some flack online from like any car. Read it and stuff. They're like oh just because you make a petition. Does that mean as GonNa know actually happened unlike it was always meant as a focal point of people's voices to go. Hey the we all believe in this day okay. So I started this petition. First not as a means to bring the race track back to life and being bring racing because I I always fell fell not to be morbid but I didn't really think it was going to come back so I I mean as a by myself and I wanted to have I racing scam track like if something was going to be something good was going to come out of this. I wanted to at least have it for virtually saved for as long as there's the Internet that somebody could could at least enjoy it in run a virtual car and at least kind of feel you know the ups and the downs and like five turns like doesn't really happen on over right now So that kind of like took off like the first few months. Few thousand people signed a personal friend of mine. I bought a a copy of the deed to like read through it. Just understand all the INS and outs and I I still have a copy of it and the clauses like so in-depth of like. You can't do anything that's related to motorcycles. Anything that has an engine in it like it could even be go-carts like they won't let anybody run a Go-cart as long as there isn't a ticket to spectate a go kart like it goes as deep as saying that you can't sell racing memorabilia like you can't sell video games have racing on that property like they didn't want anyone to do a damn thing with nothing so that was always like like the big hurdle so like when When the current owner bought the track you know for Sam people calling him on the phone? They're like with all these ideas says like. Hey let's do this. Let's do that and I call them on the phone and I was like hey started this petition. Got A few thousand people signed it like I know nothing's going to happen but I wanted to bring this attention and I felt like there was some sort of confusion. Maybe not save being older. Does that but being the computer age I wasn't quite sure. There was a disconnect of being like. I want the races game video game or racist videogame. Can we scan it and he kind of took it as like. Oh we're going to have to clear maintain it like. I'm not going to spend the money for that. It's GonNa be like five hundred thousand dollars. I was like I like like a volunteer group or something just to kind of do Adele. Juniors do Rangers go the lawn Mower Lacquers or whatever like of course is going going to be a bit more than that but you know just to get fresh enough. Were young going there. Do we need to do and just let it go so like throughout that that year. A contact Steve Myers and I kind of feel bad. You know about Steve Myers. He's the guy that was kind of the face of IRA saying basically and I've probably hit a chord because throughout the times me or somebody else around me or just somebody else has spammed him about about scan Nazar skin as an points like. Don't even talk to me about it like I already looked into. It can't do it. Don't care whatever the case so that's Kinda Kinda Kind of upsetting. But you know I. It is what it is so like through two thousand nineteen. I kind of let it go for a bit because I was getting burned out like I was the only person calling all these people calling the owner. And I'm like I can't do as a result says let it go forbid and then add a nowhere like February so people started contact me and they're like. Hey that person that made petition. Now's like yeah what's it's up and like yeah. I feel strongly about this. 'cause I wanNA join you scalise things and I was like sure great. I mean it. It was hard enough doing a by myself. Sure so we went through all the rounds. You know we we've reached out the MARLINS readies business manager. We had some back and forth with him on that You know some people of the Ingenio Jedi families you know reach out to the page in saws posting Ness adjust and basically out of that. Front it just kind. Anna gave the impression that they felt like the community abandoned the track in some way because they were noting about Pocono. I know and like Oh you know. The fans don't support Pocono and it seemed to strike some court of if people didn't go the Nazareth. You know like people certainly did go so I don't know a Understand the disconnect of of where that support may have not been nor may have been there but that was sort of the feeling from some of the members are not going to disclose any sort of names field. That's not good but you know it's a seizure only should at sort of a whoa is me like you know like like were you people then sort of thing and I always stress. I'm like I'm in my twenty S. I was a teenager when that track close so people like my age that are Kinda like rallying around me and you know sort of all I born in the late like like the late eighties early nineties like we were children like a it would have been our parents to stand up and you know do that. Then now it's Our turn so like you know we reach out them and we spoke to different people in the community and we as far as we got was does we we we we reached out to. I think it was the American like Motor Sports Association or like the United States Motor Sports Association. I think is what it was and basically what. Doug a nonprofit and they they work with owners that WanNa like like do something racing That WanNa do something related to Racing whether it's it's like they own a track and they wanNA bring something back and they want to build something and they kind of do a cost. They like inspect affect the market around them and see like gale. Take much to build this much to repair or whatever and then come up with a plan and go. Okay here you go. Is that what you will cost is how much rejected the make. So I got as far as reaching out to a source to where if the current owner really wanted to know how much it would would cost which. I'm sure he probably did. Because you know he bought it. So I'm sure it As a business planner and you know a business owner would do. I'm already did that. But that was certainly resources to us if if I could like point them together and go hey guys talk like he could have reached out to to them and and they could have come out and inspected the area and go. You'll caused nailed this much money to repave neo rebuild. Whatever but that's kind the ball's in his court so as far as that's kind of where we are? The only really really new thing was that that which I find interesting. There's been a few articles that like Mario. You know he went to the track. And a somebody coaxed him out and then they walked around down and it wasn't a name drop but he did kind of hint at Lake you know. Hey guys like the this is. This is gone Mike. Why are you still doing this? Like support the tracks that are still open. Which yes I agree supported supported transversal open? But you can all you can do both but you can still want to bring back something that you care about. Also the same time as make sure things that are still alive stale like I never understood this notion of let it lay Complain Law of Dogs Lie. You know so but especially with pocono being off the schedule will. It seems which I don't necessarily blame the community like I do. Four of the Hammy Racist. That came back and there. There's plenty of people. There is Nascar Pack Field but I me answers any car like there's plenty of people. There's I'm not quite sure of if it's like northeast staying or or whatever but The the final thing I'll know is that the current thing that might be the thing about is that since I S C was bought out by NASCAR and there was that merger. It might be interesting to find somebody in the NASCAR community. Any maybe be like Don't junior or something to where he has a voice with them that you could make the point that now the legal ties that bind that property or now with NASCAR as oppose I ac- because now because they merged because that's so if you really wanted to go go to nascar now and be like hi you know maybe Dale Jr. wants to bring back northward. Squirrels scamper I racing. Whatever like there seems to be some sort of grassroots S. roots movement that that might be the only hope now is going the NASCAR like you know the fans are complaining bounds on short tracks? You know we want more of unique ovals because he has a mile and a half or signing to get boring like there's something to be said we just need a voice tach to it so we'll see what we can do. I love man. I will put a link to the Public facebook group in our itunes. Show notes here and along along with some pictures and stuff I will on our social media but Thank you very much for joining us in our First recording of a a lost track type segment. We'll be doing plenty of these throughout the off season to keep everybody entertained in bringing you guys some some new content. Tim Thanks for joining me. this evening I look forward to seeing how everything progresses thank you. I appreciate you inviting me. How I'm always happy to talk about my home? I'm tracking anything that can help do something with it. I'm all in for. Google will have a great night man. I appreciate your help. Thank US well sir.

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Ferrari vs. Lamborghini - Supercar Speed Freaks | 5

Business Wars

26:47 min | 2 years ago

Ferrari vs. Lamborghini - Supercar Speed Freaks | 5

"January twenty eight twenty eighteen Daytona Beach, Florida is nearly two thirty PM thousands of people are crowded into the stands of the Daytona International Speedway. They're full of beer in high spirits and other feet as they watched the final hours of the most prestigious endurance motor race in the United States. The Rolex twenty four drivers take turns navigating their teams car around the twisty cores spectators lean forward and cheers they've whizzed by more than two hundred miles per hour. The car that travels the farthest after twenty four hours wins. The most exciting competition is in the GT d class. Unlike prototype racing cars, the look more like spaceships than actual cars. The GT d class. Features customer automobiles real cars that ordinary people can buy their stripped of all comforts beefed up with better brakes and let loose on the track. There are Porsches and corvettes and sure that's interesting, but the real car buffs are captivated by the Lambert genie's chewing up the track against the Ferraris. Those cars are pushing hard in the crowds. Sent something amazing is about to happen. Their eyes are glued to the neon. Green Lamborghini that screams around the curve closing in on the finish line. Hold on the line. Lamborghini celebrates victory. In the labor Guinea pig. There's ecstatic pandemonium drivers and mechanics hug each other high five and pump their fists in the air. It is a sparkling moment in the history of Lamborghini the first ever victory in a twenty four hour race. But it is only the beginning of the company's rise to racing stardom as twenty eight teen progresses. Lamborghini vies for a first ever national championship in international motor sports association racing. The whole season comes down to the last laps in the final race petite LeMond in Atlanta that Tober a racing driver named Brian sellers flooring Lamborghini toward the finish line in third place. And if he can hold onto third he will win the team enough points to capture the national championship. Selous for the Chuck won't raise won't essays. It. Cellars wins the championship for his team and Ferrari is left in the dust stunned throughout its history. Lamborghini has only competed with Ferrari in the showroom vying for favor among the same wealthy car fanatics Lamborghini seated the racetrack to its arch-rival for Rory. But now in twenty eight teen for the first time ever Lamborghini has taken on Ferrari on the track and one but with the smell of burnt rubber still in the air. It's clear that Lamborghini Ferrari have pushed their competition into a whole new era. Now, these two rivals kick into high gear pouring more money into their engines in an attempt to hit higher speeds than ever. Business wars is brought to you by ADT. What is real protection mean for you? Well, I can tell you firsthand that with ADT the most trusted name and home security. You can get all the latest innovation and smart home security combined with twenty four seven monitoring. I don't know about you. But that sounds pretty good to me with ADT. You can get a system custom designed to fit your home with everything from video doorbells to indoor and outdoor cameras to smart locks and lights and a team of professionals will design install it for you. And you control all of it through the ADT, go out or the sound of your voice, and it doesn't stop there. Get professionally monitored carbon monoxide and smoke detectors. Get safety on the go in the car. When your kids are at school, and with ADT eighteen thousand employees safeguard, you there even connected with first responders, visit ATT dot com slash podcast. Learn more about how AT can. Zayn install a secure smart home. Just for you ADT real protection. From wondering, I'm David Brown. And this is business wars. In nineteen sixty three an argument between two industrialists in Italy, Enzo, Ferrari, and Ferruccio Lamborghini ignited a rivalry to outdo each. Other building the fastest most expensive and most striking automobiles on the planet. For decades. Car fans have marveled at the wild machinery these men made from the Lamborghini Muira to the Ferrari five hundred superfast from the Lamborghini kun-tae to the Ferrari Testarossa each car maker trying to outdo his rival and claim supremacy. This is the third and final episode of our series supercar speed freaks. By nineteen ninety seven Lamborghini is owned by a Malaysian company and an Indonesian corporation for years. It has been burning up cash faster than gasoline ever since founder fruitful ember Guinea, sold a controlling interest in nineteen Seventy-three. The company has been passed around from owner to owner like an unwanted dog. All that is about to change. Summer nineteen Ninety-seven Wolfsburg Germany in the office of Ferdinand pick big things are happening. Peak is motoring royalty. He's the grandson of Ferdinand Porsche who is behind one of the most heralded brands in motoring, he's also credited with creating the original Volkswagen continuing the family legacy. Peak is serving his chairman of the board of VW he spent the earlier part of the decade turning VW into money-making machine. There is cash galore. But he's looking for something more. He tells his deputies his plan to start assembling a roster of prestige Cobb RAs unthinking Rolls, Royce, Bentley even Gotti over the next year. Peak goes on a buying spree. Finally, he acquires a new trophy Lamborghini for about one hundred million dollars. About one hundred sixty million in today's dollars. It is a marriage of convenience by nineteen ninety eight when VW takes ownership Lambeau is low on cash and floundering it's only got about three hundred employees producing about two hundred cars year. It's practically backyard operation, but the brand still has global street cred rivaled only by its nemesis. Ferrari, the name Lamborghini is synonymous with sex and speed Ferdinand pick aims to do. What no one has been able to do yet. What Chrysler tried to do and fail turn Lamborghini into a full blown car company one that makes money. It's vehicles. Have a bad rap for faulty wiring and mechanical problems that no corner shot mechanic, ever fix. Now. Imagine all that Attallah style in a motion imbued with real German engineering. And why stop there be w plans to give the brand of fresh start with a whole new look so Pia calls on the one man he knows is up for the challenge. Luke, Don, CRA, volka brilliant Belgian car designer. Luke, I have a tough challenge for you create a whole new design language Lamborghini. Dunker volka goes to work on the first all new Lamborghini model in a decade. He explains his approach to an interviewer at a car show. Obviously when you when you designing something for this brand you are following an evolutionary route. We you you have to define if you have to break it and create a revolution. Or if you have to to carry on when the new model finally appears in two thousand one it defies expectations with its angular complexity and a look that seems like it's begging to bolt like it runs not on gasoline. But sure tests doctorine the whole package has such a low center of gravity one has to practically lie down in the driver's seat. Two hundred and eighty thousand dollars five hundred and seventy five horsepower. Wiley cool says. Her doors vehicle is called the mercy Lago named after another famous fighting bull. The original mercy Lago bull survived twenty four hour strikes from swords in epic battle with matador in Spain back in eighteen seventy nine it's a fitting name for lambere Guineas comeback car. Wanna know what this new Lamborghini is like take a spin with Richard Hammond of the wildly popular British TV show top gear as he races down a closed off highway Abu Dhabi? Or speed alongside Bruce Wayne AKA Batman when he shuns the batmobile for mercy Lago to speed around Gotham in the two thousand eight film the dark Knight. Much more subtle soon. After the mercy allow go comes the mercy Lago roadster convertible and the guy Ardo slightly smaller and less insanely expensive Lamborghini. Unlike previous Lambeau 's these cars feature bulletproof engineering, and there is easy to drive as they are fast weaving through traffic feels like playing video game Justice. Peak predicted Lamborghini is now a full-fledged twenty first century company with a lineup of sexy. But dependable consumer cars, and it's turning a profit. Suddenly Lambeau is hot again celebrities from Kim Kardashian to Justin Bieber seemed driving lambere Guineas hip, hop stars from Kanye west to gnaws her driving, lamb, bows and writing popular songs about him. There's Lupo fiasco with the song Lamborghini angels and purple lambere Guinea from. Rick ross. Meanwhile, the Ferrari factory is humming. The arrow Ferrari Enzo Ferrari, only surviving son surveys the latest production numbers from the relative quiet of his office. He glances up from time to time and looks out at the factory gates, pondering. Just how far his father's company is come and the storms. It's weathered the numbers. Tell a remarkable story Ferrari has increased production by thirty percent in less than a decade. It is June two thousand seven in the city of Modina where Enzo Ferrari has lived his entire life. Crowds gathered sunset in the main Piazza rich, Ferrari owners and fans card as Aigner's racing drivers. All sit around tables drinking fine wines. It's a who's who of motoring world. Suddenly the sound of an engine can be heard above the crowd, then another engine and another until the roar of engines becomes wonderfully. Deafening. The parade of near priceless vintage Ferraris slowly rolls over the cobblestone pizza passed the fourteenth century cathedral. Dozens of these cars many of them worth millions and millions of dollars. This is how Ferrari does a birthday party. The company is sixty years old. October twenty first two thousand seven the whole motoring world turns to south Hallo Brazil for the final race of the Formula one season in Italy. Tens of thousands of people are laser focused on their TV. Six three drivers are eligible to win the most coveted racing title in existence the Formula one world championship and one of them will be driving a Ferrari. In the final laps the Ferrari driver guns past competitors to win back a world championship for the first time in three years with this win for Ari has one more Formula one titles than any other company, ever and Lamborghini. Will they're not even on the racetrack. It takes hundreds of millions of dollars in investment for a team to compete in Formula one despite the infusion of cash from VW and major rebranding the company still can't afford to compete. It's a source of eternal frustration for Lamborghini, but not for long by twenty eleven as the global economy finally starts pulling out of the great recession. Ferrari in limbo are poised to up their game yet again their cars are more expensive than ever. But these new young tech and celebrity buyers. Don't just covet these cars, they flash them. On social media like blame in twenty thirteen when Kanye West's assistant crashes, his Lamborghini into the -fensive as girlfriend Kim Kardashian, the footage on YouTube gets three million views. It's hard to know, whether the draw was the car the couple video of celebrity chef Gordon Ramsay just parking his Ferrari gets three point five million views. These cars may be driven by celebrities, but they're stars in their own, right? Owning one of these magnificent machines is a statement about the owners place in the world. Ralph Lauren owns hundreds of millions of dollars worth Ferraris and LeBron James owns Lamborghini painted to look like his signature, Nike basketball, shoe, sort of car inside and endorsement driven by superstar every time one of these brands releases a new model the other has to outdo it. And soon the two brands will be releasing their most outrageous cars yet this time. 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Ziprecruiter is so effective that four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate through the site within the first day right now listeners of business wars can try ZipRecruiter for free at this exclusive weapon dress. Ziprecruiter dot com slash BW. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash BW. One. More time ZipRecruiter dot com slash BW. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. It's March fourth twenty thirteen auto aficionados or at the Geneva motor show. We're both Ferrari and Lamborghini are in veiling their new cars. The most powerful cars each has ever produced. It's fifty years since the Ferrari, Lamborghini rivalry began crowds. Gather shoulder to shoulder in front of a brightly lit stage where four Lamborghinis or part one of them is the fiftieth anniversary car as you would expect from the company that has been at the forefront of outrageousness for a half century. The silver car has angles and slits and air vents. It actually does resemble. What might be a twenty-first-century batmobile the nose tapers to an era like point displaying the Lamborghini bowl logo vehicle is called the NATO after you guessed it, a famous fighting bull. But it also translates to the word Benham, it's hard to imagine that the brand that built this gas. Inducing car once built tractors the company's president Stephan vinca men walks onstage, ladies and gentlemen. The lumber Guinea banana is proof of the power of innovation of Lamborghini, and it's also to to our past. And it's an look into all future this car as veto engine was seven hundred fifty horsepower. This is the twenty first century Lambeau and the numbers are staggering price tag for the car. Four point five million dollars zero to sixty miles per hour and two point eight seconds, a top speed of two hundred twenty one miles per hour. Only fourteen will be billed already. There's a frenzy among the extraordinarily rich to get their hands on one of these cars. Just twenty four hours later, the crowds. Returned the convention hall to see a Ferrari can top Lamborghini every time for Rory unveils a new model, it is a mystery. The greatest racing designers engineers in the world have loaded up the best technology they could build into a car. So what if they come up with this time? The new car is called LA Ferrari and the company plans to Bill just four hundred and ninety nine of them. It's price is about one point five million dollars. But future bidding wars would see this car sold for as much as ten million dollars. Ferraris boss, Luca Di Montezemolo tells the crowd this Ferrario, unlike any car ever produced in one specific way these out of I I read car which offers high-performance and great CO two emission reduction. This chassis is made of carbon fiber using the same building metallurgy of filed Formula one this car has a six point two liter v twelve engine making seven hundred ninety horsepower and an electric motor that brings it up to nine hundred fifty horsepower. The technology defies the imagination. So does its top speed two hundred seventeen miles per hour through actually gets to buy one of these cars start with Formula one racer Lewis Hamilton one of the highest paid athletes in the world Cristiano Renaldo, arguably the world's greatest living soccer star reality TV star Kylie Jenner the rapper Drake. Yes. These vehicles are so rare. So exclusive that your average person literally is more likely to get struck by lightning than to ever see one in person. Car factory grounds are rarely tourist attraction. But Italy so called motor valley's, a huge tour straw and even their Ferrari and Lamborghini compete for tourist dollars. Every afternoon in the region of Amelia, Ramon ya roads that were carved out during the middle ages fill with exotic Italian vehicles and traffic jams of tourists from all over the world who have come to experience. The magic of extreme motoring at the Lamborghini factory. Tourists lineup to take tours and see how the new Lambeau event to door s is built the price four hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. There are near priceless limited edition. Lamborghinis. Like the gen Theriault built to celebrate the one hundred anniversary of fruit or Lambert Guineas birth. There's even a lambo SUV the eras drive by Lamborghini museum. And you'll see a bullet proof Lamborghini. Pope mobile built to show for pope. John Paul the second around battery city and even a Lamborghini helicopter drive twenty minutes to Maranello, and now you were at the red brick entrance to the Ferrari factory, which looks just as it did when. The company was founded in nineteen forty seven. You can also tour this mecca, although only from the confines of a tour bus with no photography allowed so sensitive for the secrets inside a like Lamborghini Ferrari has its own Newseum filled with one off masterpieces a fleet of formula. One cars even an exact replica of Enzo Ferrari's office, which you can see through a wall of plexiglass. Both of these companies are now building record numbers of cars. It's hard to know what end zone would make of all this in nineteen sixty four his company was rolling out seven hundred fifty cars year by twenty eighteen that number would climb to more than nine thousand. Lamborghini, which made its first car in nineteen sixty four is now minting close to six thousand and both companies are profitable in twenty eighteen Ferrari brought in a record three point nine billion dollars in revenue. Lamborghini hit a record one point six billion today. Lamborghini makes the fastest car. The limited edition vigneault two hundred twenty one miles per hour. Ferraris limited edition lav Rory at Perta can hit two hundred seventeen miles per hour. And this supercars a hybrid. But Lambeau is working with MIT engineers to develop what it calls a super capacitor that will power. It's all electric supercar called the Terza millennia Ferraris next supercar has just been unveiled the F eight true, tow is the company's most powerful v eight supercar of all time capable of seven hundred and ten horsepower. Which of these two brands bills the most attractive cars, which is the cooler brand, which most ignites the flame of desire. Well, that is the beauty of this rivalry. That is all up to you the eye of the beholder if you don't lust what you see. Well, there's always more power speed and allure just over the horizon. From wondering this is business wars. We hope you enjoyed this episode, and we invite you to subscribe on apple podcasts. Spotify Google podcasts. Stitcher. I heart radio wherever you listen to podcasts. 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Turning Students into Phenomenal STEMist with Dr. Maya Byfield

The Science Bloggers Podcast

24:33 min | 2 years ago

Turning Students into Phenomenal STEMist with Dr. Maya Byfield

"This is the science bloggers podcast show where we talked to science communicators about science and how they get their message across my guest. This Week is Dr Maya by feel. She's a biology professor and she's also the founder and director of the phenomenal status business. Whose goal is to get more minorities students involved in stem. So Hello Myo Ho you. Hey I'm fine. Thanks for having me on your podcast. This great to have you. Why don't we start? You can tell my listeners about him and what you do okay so my name is Dr Maya by field. I received my bachelor's in biology and minored in chemistry from Oakland College now university a historically Black College in Huntsville Alabama United States and I love science a lot at first. I thought I was going to do pre-med but I really got interested in research and science in college and so I decided to do a PhD. So I was excited that Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York and I received my PhD. My Masters and PhD in Biomedical Sciences. The track was molecular pharmacology. So I'm I'm really interested in science. I've been interested insulate for a long time after I did my PhD. I taught for a year and then did a post doc in neuroscience at the University of Central Florida on their medical school and now currently I'm a professor of biology tenured and I started this new business to try to get more students specifically minority students interested in stem so I'm the founder and director of phenomenal stems. That's my background. I Love Science. I love to teach it. I love to explain it. I love to do it and I want more people to get opportunity involved in it. What has been the reaction to starting this new venture? I started in a year ago. And it's mixed. I'm just beginning in this business. I have different types of media At specifically phenomenal stem is a facebook page and youtube channel righteous. Get the information out to parents Mike. My ultimate goal is to really teach parents how to develop a stem students and so they love watching my videos on facebook in terms of the business in terms of creating a online classroom for students. That's moving a little slower. I'm doing all kinds of things to get young people involved in Stan so I'm really excited about it. It sounds like something that's needed especially when it comes to getting minorities and fault. In stem biggest problem is like real so underrepresented in. Yeah almost every field. So it's it's great that doing this. Is there any reason you think that you're not getting the traction that you're you're not you're getting? I guess is just the beginning and I think different parents have different motivations for their children. I feel like stem his heavily. Targeted to children. And I think that's one of the grave mistakes that we're doing when it comes to representation in minority communities. You can have children to all kinds of fun stuff in the classroom and camp but if if by the parents it won't last and it's got to the place where I'd go to see tons of conferences go at least one conference each year and I. I'm just tired of not being one of the few African American people female or male a president these conferences. So I feel like we've been targeting young people for Awhile in stem but I think now is time to target the parents. I feel like you have to really push parents to to make it a priority in their kids and that is tough because parents have different priorities. They have to work. They have to take care of their kids. They have all kinds of extracurricular activities and sometimes stem comes below to convince the parent that this is a big deal. I think it will transition young people. I know how you feel at least in science communication. When I go to some of these conferences I go about like once at least once a year and I might be the only only person of color and it gets pretty isolating away so you know I know how that feels but on appear side. What is it exactly that you think that they want for their kids that they all not encouraging stem in? What what are the Perot. -tising over science education. I think extra curricula activities sports karate things that are extracurricular out so school is for school and then now it's time to do other things. I think that those take priority. Basically what the children liked to do what they enjoy doing. Music lessons I hear all kinds of things. Oh I can't do it this week. Because X Y and Z and I feel like parents have dreams for their children. Children have dreamed for their children. But many don't know what it takes to become what they dream. So they'll say oh. My my child wants to be a pediatrician. My child wants to be engineer. Well it takes heavy levels of math. You know early to be a engineer and so if you're not putting them in math camps and trying to give them opportunities to learn coding skills and quick level math. They're not going to be prepared for it. By the time they reach college so somehow they feel like if they do well in school then magically they just keep going to school. They'll become a doctor and I'm trying to get them to understand. It requires so much practice from from a very young age. Medical School talks about friends. And I do it in the podcast. They talk about how medical school is like trying to drink water from a hydrant using Straw. That's how much volume of information coming at them. And it's something that they would have to have done over a period of time. They should have developed a discipline. They can't develop a discipline by the time they get the medical school and so if if I can teach parents that if I can somehow get parents to understand that they need to be developing it that from that then I think we have gotten half the battle it sounds like this is a cultural thing at least in the US. Because I'm an immigrant. And when I was a teenager you know my my parents sent me to tuition off to school and I didn't even really need that much help. I was doing well in my classes. You know especially in my mats and science classes. I was an a student but they were sending me there even if I wanted to or not. And absolutely my parents are Jamaican the scent and the same thing like it's not whether you doing. Well it's something you're developing discipline exactly and the idea that you'd be going to play football after school. That is not something they would have entertained. It's like are you crazy. You wanted to what so. I don't know it's it's an interesting cultural phenomenon that I haven't quite answers in this country. The ticket to greatness is through sports but the reality is that's just the biggest myth I've ever heard because the reality based on just statistics and numbers. More African American males excel in professional degrees than sports. Like you are more likely to become an engineer as a black man than a stick a stick. Whatever sports profession? You think that you WANNA say right. I don't WanNa give any credits. Any you know association right. Just pick any association Professional Sports Association. It's more likely that a black man be a lawyer or or computer. I T professional then a professional sports player yet. The Myth is perpetuated. That that's your way out of the lid and it's not the way out of the hood is to become. It guy where you go to school for you could even just go to school for associate. You can go to a school for an associate's in information technology and take yourself out of the projects and if I could just get more people of color especially African Americans in this country to understand that at the parent level We've I really believe that will change. Who'll change the world? I agree I'm not trying to say anything bad about athletic careers. Absolutely when you look at the longevity of rats some point your body is not gonNa keep up by the time you had say. Forty recover from injuries as well the old. Yeah you get you get old right. Let's being real twenty five years after you leave college. That's your leave college around twenty two so twenty seven is old. Look at that train. You'll become a pro athlete. You'll get this multimillion dollar contract. Not many people do dat not forget that you're more likely to get a good paying job. You know pursuing something in science engineering or computers and I think we need that when the mental shift in thinking for people to realize that yet and I believe it belongs at the parent level because parents will put their kids in these sporting teams from young right. Never mind the the detriment that can happen to their body based on their developing brains and bodies like they're they're they're paying money to put them in these camps so many of them can't afford them Cam's they just have to have a shift in mindset and I think they just have to be really informed a little bit more and I feel like a lot of times. We're targeting the children and not the parents focus should be on on parents. You know and I agree. So what type of classes you give two two children So I've developed a online classroom. That trains parents how to prepare their children stem from different levels so from pre K to Twelfth Grade. I have three levels. The beginner is basically pre K. To Third Grade. The intermediate is fourth to eighth grade and then the advanced is high school and I teach the parents in terms of what programs to use. What activities to do how to practice online at different levels so? I believe that the foundation of Science is physics so I saw in three months. They learn everything about physics at their level. So even the pre K. They're learning about physics but it's just that they're level right and then what's built on physics chemistry so that the next three months is the basics of chemistry. Doing all kinds of assignments. I even create labs that parents can create for their children at the House and they do chemistry and then after that biology and all the while. They're practicing math. I believe that we really need to give parents the fundamentals of stem and teaching their children how to learn the fundamentals of them because a lot of the times I think many programs are fun and fluff. Let's make slimy everyb- that's a new thing right now. Everybody's making slime and so it seems so fun. Right what they don't know the fundamentals of chemistry like what does the atom in what is a molecule at etc. So I get to the base and they learn and they learn everything is online platform. I converse with them via video. You can have this classroom teaching parents all across this country in a couple of clients one is in Florida. One is in New York. I live in Florida and it's it's really work. Well and I mean I have a four year old and I was talking to the MOM and she was saying. Oh my goodness I wasn't thinking it might have been too much. Because it was basically video on graphs. And what's the difference between a line graph in a bar graph in pie chart and she was scared because she thought Oh. He's only four but he was clicking the right answer and he was getting a ride. She's like she was amazed so everything had their level. Whether it's four years old or fourteen has response from pure and spin enthusiastic once the parents get it and start doing it. They love it especially my home. Schooling parents were. There have more time to do it with their children. And it's just getting the parents to do it once I get them to sign in and it's amazing straight because unless parents helped out positive attitude to once. Kids aren't going to get it. They're going to pick up on it. They're going to be like scientists too hard. It's just turn them away. Yeah I always say this. I think the number one enemy of a future career for a child in stem is apparent who hated stem as a child right. They hated bath and they bring that hate for it into the house and some of them. Don't hate at some of them are afraid of it. They're really literally scared of it. They haven't learned math since eighth grade. And and sometimes it's intimidating and embarrassing you know you feel for the parents because they feel that. They can't help their child with their homework. Well then that's my job right. All you have to do is be firm and every parent knows how to be firm. You know you basically say you're going to do a doctor by field. Says I don't care what you're doing right you have to say by X. Equals ten x equals to. You don't have to do the math but you have to be firm as a parent to support me and support of the child doing their work. There's so many parents. I'm I'm not sure I don't know your parents background but a lot of our parents didn't have the background what they did was. They had the urgency for education and they really supported the teacher. My Mother didn't tell half a science background. I just showed that interest in in science and changes. Avi wanted to Right and that's where the extra classes came in. Okay you know you have to learn to do this My teachers who were like yeah. He knows he understands you work. But it's not just GonNa be knowing the answers. He has to be able to express himself he has to be able to. I think one tissues allow this language and he has to to learn plenty language of science. Yeah it was encouraging and our the the biggest influence. Because if you're if you're in a high school class you have dozens of other students not going to get that attention that you need. You know where people I q what you're doing. That's what helps students grow your grace supplement and like even with the high school. The new wave of profession or the future of professions is emotional intelligence artificial intelligence like it's deeper than just them on many of the jobs that will take over in the future will require emotionally intelligent professionals and I have a part of my program for high school students is that it's not just and this is of course the advanced level. But it's not just you know learning math and physics and biology but I teach them basically how to be financially intelligent How to how to be emotionally intelligent and then learn artificial intelligence. Because it's going to be a new day in the future and there's so many people that know math but don't know how to financially support themselves so there's so many stem people who you know. They got did well in college. They got their stem degree. They went on to become a physician or or engineer. And they're in horrible debt because they never learned how to handle their finances so I think there should be a great component in financial intelligence and emotional intelligence at the higher levels. And so that's not taught like you said in the high school but it's definitely needed it is. Let's talk about your your podcast. While riding doing podcasts. It actually started off as facebook live every Sunday a do a video facebook live. I guess you could call it a video podcast for people to understand different principles in stem it ranges from what my followers. WanNa talk about. I've done this. Is Your brain on drugs. So the whole months learning about a specific type of drug. Somebody wanted to know about marijuana and so I I basically talked about the biology of marijuana one of my followers wanted to know if I believe in creation and in different things and science to help me support my belief in creation so I always talk about how. I'm not a creationist meaning. I don't use science to prove creation but I have a faith and different reasons scientifically. Why my faith is in creation and I also did like a interview session of started off with black males black male engineers blackmail physicians blackmail scientist at just to show the kids of my followers that there are people of Color in these industries and they can use them as role models so I just started to interview for the Pat. For four months straight I also did females in March For for women's history month. So I talked. I had friends of mine who were dentists and physicians and clinical psychologist and they were just great interview. They're all on Youtube. And I figured I said well. I saw a couple of a think articles about how podcasts are really coming up in the day and so I said well let me learn how to do once alive just taught myself out create a podcast and I just transform transform. My those interviews. I'm in the process of doing that. I just started it. I just began the phenomenal stomach. Podcast but I'm basically transforming my videos into audio versions and placing them on podcast because there are some people who don't wash youtube but they do listen so I'm just taking everything that I've done and putting it in different forms to get my message out there and it's basically. There is an end game so many people of color they don't see physicians and engineers and computer scientists in their family. I know I did my mother's side of the family. I have maybe about nine physicians. And I'm not. I'm not even talking about other professions whether they be lawyers or engineers and so. I constantly saw that growing up to the point where I thought I was going to be. A physician is just part of the family. So and I think that was pivotal in me believing that I could excel so I did those video interviews so that can see so now. I'm just transitioning them to audio. So more people get get the message for great idea to reign people of color into to interview and talk to them bought a few decades ago probably in the eighties. Did this study of Trau- scientists and almost every kid. Just trolls this old white Guy Einstein Einstein. And if you aren't a lot of movies you might Trou- doc Brown from back to the future so okay who basically look like that. I Find Care Right. Popular Culture has has a lot to win at right. I mean this is the image Depp. We give to students right and in the process. We we removed that history that the people that have played right so own removed for men remove people of color and that is detrimental to diversity in feel and it doesn't just mean that you know we don't exist is just no one's talking about it right and my father was really instrumental in making that known to me. He would always talk to me about George Washington carver and Benjamin Bana Ker and Lewis. Latimer like he constantly pushed black mathematicians and scientists in my young age now. There were a lot of women I didn't really about a lot of female scientists but I just knew I loved it. I love science such a young age and so added have role models I saw and I think if we push that like you said now with more recent scientists and physicians let kids know let parents know than more students would be interested. I completely agree. So what do you like? The future of phenomenal stems to be. I envision just impacting so many young people I envisioned them learning science and loving it from a young age. That's all I want. I want parents to develop a discipline in their children that lease them to love science at a young age so that they can themselves become phenomenal? Stems slight I came up with phenomenal. Stem is the word always registers with me as being not averaged but not good either not even great but phenomenal. So many people settle settled for good. You know settled great sell for great so but when you're a phenomenal woman my name is Maya Angelo. My father named me after my Angelo and that poem from her phenomenal woman is such a powerful poem that always registered with me based on the fact that I was named after her and I just want more young people to aspire to be better than good but not just good. What phenomenal stems is just you know it is. I saw at one day. Mike were chemists. Biologists where scientists so we are stem. Ists and I just want more and more young people to not settle for good average but I want them to be phenomenal status. And so whatever I need to do whether it be through. Podcasting video blogging. I do talks visit schools. Yeah I'll do it but now I'm going to target the parents for them to really train their children will I? I hope it works out. I think it sounds like a worthy goal and as we conclude. Is there anything else you'd like to say that you didn't get a chance to say I noticed I appreciate being on your podcasts. Just let your listeners know that you can find the in multiple places as I do. My Sundays at seven o'clock on facebook phenomenal stem missed. My podcast is on Apple. Podcasts and Google podcast phenomenal dumbest. I have a website. Www when nominal stems dot com? I look forward to hearing from where parents and their interests. Thank you so much for half million. Podcast it was great having you and I'll put all those links in the show notes Schiller Youtube Channel as well. Dr Maya by field all right. I'll just be sure to send them to me and I'll I'll put them in la. I appreciate it. Thank you again. That was Dr Mayer by field. If you'd like to learn more brought mile and what she's trying to check out the phenomenal stamos podcast and blog links have been provided in the show notes. And thank you for joining me. To first season of the size bloggers podcast. If you enjoy this show tell your friends and colleagues about us and encourage them to subscribe or leave a comment. We will be returning in twenty nine thousand nine hundred and I hope you'll join me as I talked to. New Science Communicator.

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What Will Curling Look Like After COVID-19?

Rocks Across the Pond

56:05 min | 5 months ago

What Will Curling Look Like After COVID-19?

"You're listening to rocks across the pond. The curling podcasts. That goes around the globe looking for the stories. In the world's coolest sport we have curling news news for everyone whether you're playing in your thursday league or following your favorite teams on tour now here your host brian magee and our professor appeal. Jonathan haber cross. Hey everybody welcome to rocks across the pond. It's a curling podcast. Coming to you from richmond. Virginia my name is ryan mcgee and joining me in southampton england. Is our professor appeal. Jonathan kraft jonathan. Did you know that the voice at the top of our show. That is alex friedman the voice of the oklahoma city dodgers. Did you know that he is a curler. I did not is is this. Because he recorded the podcast for us or no. I was reminded by time hop of alex and is league championship in the oklahoma curling club. we won league the year that he was he was actually able to do one of our legs between oklahoma city dodgers seasons and yeah we took home a league title together you a lot of titles. In oklahoma i did. That's why i kind of forgot about this story and forgot to mention the fact that alex is a curler. He's he's done are he's had our These are intro in his voice here for a while. Now and yeah. I forgot to bring the story up until time hop reminded me that that we were victorious. Well with was still there. Or is this your long-gone did yeah. You were long gone. Yup yup so is finally. We've run out of things to talk about the now covering like deep dives in the history of the oklahoma curling club leagues. While i mean this is the first time only happened. This is the first time that we've done in episode where it's just us talking Since may twenty six which was fourteen episodes ago. That i gotta say it's actually kind of impressive that since there's been no curling since march to speak of like no proper curling. Let's put it that way since march and it's just all done when his curling gonna happen again. Yes there's always. I don't know probably never. That's pretty impressive. Fourteen episodes is pretty good content. Out of nothing i gotta say. I'm impressed that we found fourteen different people willing to willing to do a show with us. That's that's impressive too. But it's finally happened that we've hit rock bottom so to speak at least for at least for now. We've got some stuff cooking. I hope hopefully we do have a few plans. We also realized we had put an episode out in a while so we figured we should just the two of us men data just have a little chat and we have. We have no shortage of things to talk about. Starting with where you are in england where curling is a curling. His over curling lasted for three days in england. So i didn't get to curl so. I don't think i've tried told the show yet. My my adventures with lockdown this autumn. I don't think. I've told you. Don't think i've told the show our fans right. I mean atta to to help my mom. She needed surgery. After lockdown ended so to fly to canada quarantine for two weeks. The day i got out of quarantine in montreal. The city went into code red zone the red zone which is not quite full lockdown. But pretty close near. You weren't allowed to see anybody. Consider friends from growing up or anything flew back had to quarantine for fourteen days and then The day that quarantine ended year. England back into full lockdown. So i've basically been either in quarantine or pretty high locked down the middle of september. Not i think now. Everyone's pretty much in that boat. But it seemed to be kind of perfectly lined up there. My my lockdown experiences and felton's opened on the monday. And i was planning to go to the rink that saturday for competition and on the basically the night before fenton's opened the the government announced they were going to close on the wednesday so fenton's ran a three day season. They put the ice in the rink owner. Figured it was just too risky to keep running ice for a month and then not being certain heat pulled the plug right then and there. They said they'd start again. Next autumn which makes total sense given the given the state of the world right now so there will be no curling in the south of england for sure this year. And what about north of england at the flower bowl in preston so the flower bulls had ice in since the first lockdown ended so i went up there. I can't regard is a while ago. I think it was july or august. When the rick i reopened in so the ice has been in all the way through. They had to lock down again. But apparently they're going to reopen When lockdown ends on wednesday so actually tomorrow Recording this the lockdown is going to end here in. I think they're going to try to do something. This season chats. Try to run. Some of the english competitions up there later in the season so there may be some curling up there but again i think it's going to be touching go and then All of our championships are cancelled through january and were basically tracking the. Wc after we'll talk about in a bid about whether or not to run more Just before we recorded the knights. Scotland announced that the men's women's and mixed doubles championships for their their national championships are all canceled for this season. Juniors to juniors to the world juniors was canceled. the junior bees was canceled months ago. Basically any major competition now is pretty much canceled in through february and Looking pretty bleak for the season. I'd say so. How are things enrichment. Still no curling. You know we're kind of at the at the mercy of whatever. The ice rink is going to do. Things aren't terrible in virginia. At least not. In my part of of virginia northern virginia which is basically the washington suburbs of washington dc You know it's always been a little bit worse. They're just just because of the population density. Things haven't been terrible here in richmond. We haven't had to go back to back to any kind of anything resembling lockdown. I'm still working from home. And so is my wife but You know things things could be. Things could be a lot worse. Restaurants can restaurants can still serve Even indoors i believe restaurants can still serve. Although i have not. I haven't been. I haven't eaten indoors at a restaurant since since february so there's that but. I think that you are still at to do that here. They did they did. They made bar stop serving at ten pm But yeah So far things aren't aren't terrible here but no curling For the foreseeable future. In fact you're in the us really. The the main thing that's happened recently is usa. Curling held its in general meeting Some of the important things to come out of that was a change in membership structure and just a heads up. We will have a full episode about that at some point here in the near future. In addition to the change in membership structured there was In amendments was introduced to eliminate dues requirements for clubs. That aren't opening this year. And i think they're gonna vote on that later this month and they announced that athlete representation on the board of directors for usa. Curling is going to move to a full thirty three percent right now. They had twenty percent of the vote in. They're going to have to move up to thirty three percent before you get up in arms about athletes having more of a say in taking votes away from the clubs. If you have an issue with that you can literally right your congress person because you can think representative ted lieu of california and hr seven eight one amending the ted stevens. Act for that change. It's requiring all national governing bodies to move athlete representations of their boards up to thirty three percent The biggest change is going to be that membership change and now we have before here in with usa. Curling clubs were the ones that were members of usa curling and now individuals are going to be allowed to be members. This is the way basically every other national governing body does it and. I think that this is a this is a move to help modernize our game jonathon. Yeah i think. I mean having been on the board and knowing you know in some ways curling's very conservative in like a small see sense and and traditional in the sense that people really curlers really really really don't like change and i'm so old i remember when people were were against the free guard zone. The three rock regard zone right. Which if you look back at eighties curling. If they hadn't gotten the figard's curling would have been toast so a lot of a lot of changes. Is i think for the better. And i think this this is actually strikes me as a pretty modest change in the sense that equates another path people joined the organization. I don't think it doesn't exclude clubs from continued to be members right. It's just means that people can sign up individually. Yeah i believe that's the case. And they're gonna they're gonna beta test this before they they roll it out nationwide. I know there were a few people particularly in my region here on the east coast that kind of got up in arms about it. But i think if it's done right. This really has a chance to empower the clubs as well as usa curling with the information especially marketing information that that we really need to help grow the sport And it's gonna be on a registration platform that that kind of brings spoke into the modern age. And i think giving like members in usa curling steak right that i think that In some ways the basically the way the system works as a delegate system right where where members elect the club board the club board than sends members the regional association the regional associations and their their reps to the us and that actually creates three layers between the members and the association And so this is a bit more direct in the sense of the members kind of feel directly empowered to go right to the association. The association feels that it has to be a bit more responsive to its members with this system. I think that actually is a good thing for everyone involved. Like i said we're gonna vote an entire episode. The impacts of this change in how clubs might be able to benefit from it That episode will probably be interesting to me and only me. But i think it'll be informative. Usa curling during the agm also hosted a series of webinars that were open to the public. I watched the ones on insurance and diversity and inclusion I thought both of them were were really helpful. especially the one on diversity. It kinda helped helped plot the course for for what this initiative is going to look like in the us in the post covid world. And i encourage anyone to to go. Check those out because they are available on. Usa curling's youtube channel Jonathan up in canada Things are starting to get serious again in terms of covid. Nineteen that's been. It's been that way here in the us for for pretty much. All of all of the pandemic cases are on the rise in places that previously had been doing really well in keeping the disease at bay Curling curling geek has been a tracking. How this isn't impacted clubs across north america. And we've seen clubs that previously had said that they were going to delay until january announced that they're not opening scene clubs that had planned to open announced it. They're gonna wait until january and rescind clubs that had been open now taking hi- hiatus however you still do have plenty of clubs that are either opener planning to open What was really interesting. Was i heard on two girls in a game with lori. Mary they were talking about that. Nunavut which previously had been the last place on the planet without a covid. Nineteen case now has an outbreak. Laurie of course represented nunavut at last year's tournament of hearts so a lot of places again having to hit the pause button or just give up on the idea of curling This season wait till next season and jonathan. It's not just curling but there are a lot of sports that are on pause. That are taking this season off in there taking this time to look at what they want their community in their sport to look like when we resume some Some form of normalcy on the other side of covid nineteen How do you think club. Curling will look after all of this. And what changes are there any changes. Your club is going to make this is done or are there any changes that you think club should look at making once we get back to some form of normalcy. I mean i mean we're specific context. Right we really only have maybe two hundred active like what. I call club curlers in england and so and we have to ring. The rings are primarily. What i'd call rental group so people who come they they try curling once or twice a year. If if like they only come once to try carling session that may be it. So there's kind of moving parts to this. One is just having spoken to the rink owners. In the past it really is tied to the economy. That business model right. So if there's a very deep recession people have less. Disposable income is less turn out to the ranks so Those rings are going to struggle to kind of get their business back going. I think after after the recession ends and then you know i. I don't know how many people you know i. I think is certain segment of our curling population england's like sixty seventy percent. I'd say probably decipher back. As soon as the ice is back in myself included. Obviously but you always wonder what happens the people if it's it's like a kind of a hobby they do once a week. It's fun but if they've been curled for two years during the pandemic they've found other activities that work that are kind of more covert secure if you will and that becomes a bigger part of their life you may. You may lose that membership. I kinda suspect that that problem's going to be similar for a lot of clubs back in north america to write that. If you know people people move on. I don't mind my wife's kind of picked up all these hobbies covert friendly. So she's gotten she's gotten into wild swimming which was like outdoors and Because you can do that it's outdoors. She made a whole bunch of new friends. And i'm sure that that hobbies gonna continue post covid so Curling's always competing for people's attention with other hobbies and activities. The club level so. I'm certain that they'll they'll be a dip in membership in kind of having to rebuild the club's membership pace is going to be the biggest challenge next season yen. I think that the way clubs across north america needs to address that is they need to take a hard look at the way. They've done things and say you know just because we've done it this way for twenty thirty years will doing it this way. Help us be successful for the next twenty to thirty. Because i think the answer is likely no I think more clubs need to look at how things are are being done at places like shamrock curling club in edmonton in curling to lean in estonia who we talked to in our previous two episodes in say. How can we get creative with our ice time to expose the game. Two new curlers. So don't use the excuse of. Oh the league will get mad if they don't have this exact day in time if you have a time that would work better for an after school program or for a young professionals tonight. I think you really need to take a hard look at making those changes in asking for flexibility from your members now and that's going to be hard to take because those people who stayed with you through co vid are going to have some pretty strong opinions about having some concessions for them but if we're going to keep the sport Healthy and keep the sport growing. You know we're we're we're gonna have to get creative in that that may That may require some flexibility from the from the folks that are that are staying with the sport through covert yet and it's going to vary based on the business model right so i think the place where i think back the england rinks are in a stronger situation as their businesses. And so they're big problem will be just marketing and bringing people back to the rank and getting the customer base back in and building up their base. That's kind of business problem. And they're they're both run by by successful businessman's i think it's a different challenge than a member owned ranks. You have in canada especially in also the us where the members want something done one way and you know the members and a member on rink their first priority is to run the rank for the members to have fun curling. That's that's a perfectly noble goal in and of itself. But i think we're finding out all kinds of industries if if the money stops flowing in regardless of your for profit or nonprofit Gets very scary very fast. Right and so the questions really. I think the real challenge is going to be member owned rinks about what they're going to be able to recover numb cashflow for a better term and just keep those businesses viable as businesses utilize. Your space utilize. Your time is as much as you can. You know you can run a beginner league that starts with twenty to thirty minutes of off ice etiquette talk or strategy talk while your ice makers are preparing the sheets or you can even have rotations in. Have one group to etiquette one. Do one group talk strategy in one group even out helping. Prep the ice. Because you know you wanna you wanna groome your future ice makers at your club. You know that that's one of the main things that arena clubs like what really gets some buy-in is when we start getting the newcomers involved in helping us. Prep the ice thin. That's when we start getting some serious buy in from our beginners so getting getting them as part of that. I mean i bet half of your half of your people that are your Your bucket listers. Who just want to try it. I bet if you get them learning to make ice. I'd bet a few more of them stick around rather than the rather than just coming out to throw rocks once in done. Yeah that was. That was the single best tip. I ever got a business of curling seminar. Usa curling putting on us when we were starting the club. I remember who the person was but they basically said look. It's been pointed me and the other kinds of founders of the problem. Is you want to do it all because you gotta going and they they call it founder syndrome and i said i you're gonna burn yourself out but second the way you keep members involved is to get them involved and you figure out with new members and say can you do this a whatever it is and he's doing or or the stuff that doesn't need to think of other things that could be done. You'd be amazed at the talent that you have in a curling club. Like my favorite moment was there was a couple right when we were starting and they just saw. Kim tried it. And i said well we need to build scoreboards. And they're like what were they basically do woodworking on the side and they they went online found a few videos made his built the scoreboard and that because they've built because they put the time in to build the scoreboards they became members. Either kind of fifty fifty whether the curling but they felt they contributed something they wanted to be because of that kind of maintain membership in the club like for a lot of people the club part of curling billions feeling part of a community right. And that's We we're talking without the last episode with the shamrock curling club. Right at a lot of it's about kind of creating a sense of community about having your your beer mug on the wall right and feeling like you're this is a place it's not just to go curl be the best curler but it's a place where you can kind of hang out with your friends and of joy. Joy a bit of socializing utilize that ice. Prep time have your beginners play for six ends in brune stack afterward. As you're trying to rebuild your member base wants this is all said and done in. Hey if you're. I thought this today if you're a club as i was searching. I was looking through youtube and watching watching old games. But if you're a club that utilizes twelve in sports network in go to t. espn dot us to to see some examples of clubs that that have done this. Save the videos of the good shots beginners make in highlight those you know. Post them on. Facebook is the shot of the week. 'cause they're gonna get shared in the word of mouth about your club is gonna spread. You know celebrate those baby steps that you're that you're beginners or taking and celebrate their accomplishments. Yeah i think expert actually shared on social media too i. That's kind of promotion. A do you remember the ad that curling canada put out about a decade ago with johnny the hammer chow and i can't remember that ad campaign right and it's like this one i'm american into. I just started curling like ten years ago so now i do not remember this. But you've told me you've told him that you've told me about it like twenty times. Yes we should go. Look it up on youtube and share it right but The the premise is basically it's The ignite curling beginner curler. Make big shot. And it's this person. The classic ones dining hammer challenge like he makes a double take-out on purpose to win the game. You know bad technique you know so-so sweeping slightly fluky shot. But like the whole thing. Is it kind of gets the rush of what caused curling is is not selling you know the bendon blocher sal of world which is to be honest to the beginner curlers. That's intimidating that's like you know it's intimidating to me so if you're someone who has basically been throwing stone for like twenty minutes that's gonna be very intimidating so so showing that actually to be honest part of the fun of curling is that actually any shot is available to anyone right like we've all played a game the game where you know the not so great curler makes the crazy run back double whether or not it's purposes. You know open for debate. But like that's part of the fun of the game is actually anyone can make that shot right in so kind of playing up that people when they make those shots may have those great moments celebrating. They get the rush of that. They feel like they belong especially if the club celebrating. Those highlight reels. I think that's a great idea right so things that are not nearly as fun we are. We are recording this on december first and i tried to get you to postpone doing this as much as possible because i think the floodgates are about to open on cancellations of curling events and i think that that scotland canceling their championships is the first of many that are about to happen. hang on one second jonathon. Let me go check twitter and make sure that we haven't missed any updates. While you're checking twitter i will. I'll fill our guests in. I think we're we're good all right so so one of the things. I've been tipped off too because i sit on the english curling association council as the w. Cf is trying to do a rolling ninety day decision thing if you actually cracked the decisions on events been around ninety days out not exactly but around there. They're clearly canceling events looking at the state of the world. Ninety days out right and so basically everything now has been cancelled up until the women's at the end of march which would be basically the end of december will be the decision date. I guess or know. Basically christmas day. But i doubt. Wc is gonna decide on christmas day right so so i guess the question is how long they're going to go and were kind of facing to forces here right. The virus is getting worse globally. But there's news that vaccines are imminent. I guess the real question is can the vaccines get distributed quickly enough to make a spring series of events possible. So let's say you ryan it if we were a nfl podcast during nba podcast. I would say yes absolutely. These teams are going to get the vaccine Early on so that we can continue to have Live televised sport were curling podcasts. So no I think that the one once the vaccine is available people like you and me are not going to be able to get it for probably six months like i expect. Once the vaccine is first available then six months later. That's probably win. It'll be my turn to get which is fair. that's absolutely what should happen But team coup is not going to be first in line to get the vaccine nor should they. Yeah i actually think for pro sports. They're going to have a hard time. I mean i actually think that if it got out the Athletes were getting the vaccine ahead of granny. Somebody lebron james gets it before granny your grandmother gets it. I think people would be pretty pissed off too. So i think you're right that even if the vaccine starts say early january some other reports on hearing meeting sunday december stops a bit optimistic. But you know. Let's say it's early january. It's by by what i've read in. The media is going to be nine months. Maybe even a year before as distributed the other big wrinkle here right which is different from pro. Sports is that for the world's at least were talking about crossing. A lot of international borders are still closed. The raptors are allowed to play in canada. They want have an nba season. So that looking for a. Us site no. Toronto based sports team has played in toronto during the pending against the leafs did right because they were before because the holy the holy was in canada in fact now it sounds like all the canadian teams are just gonna play each other for other chil season said none of sorts border so basically the nhl and nba are not planning to cross the border anytime soon. I i have a very hard time seeing how the wchs going to coordinate. Fourteen to twenty border crossings. Yeah inferred For a long time. I fully expected them to just cancel world's In really just all. The events just hit the reset but in say in until next season. I'm now beginning to wonder if they'll try to do it in as early as may more likely august-september because it if they do that and the twenty twenty two olympics. Don't kit postponed you're looking at six months sprint from worlds which is basically the first olympic qualifier To the olympics themselves in february and between the august september worlds in the olympics. You're going to have to have to olympic qualifying. Qualifying events the prio. Qe in the oak as well as a bunch of trials for each company at for each country if the olympics don't get postponed. They're going to have to shoehorn a world's in some time realistically in the next nine to ten months. If you don't then you're having to look at let at leading. All the countries run their trials in then running a series of olympic. Play downs including something that you would call the twenty twenty one worlds in december and january. It it feels like there's a lot of time between now in the twenty twenty two olympics because right now it's still twenty twenty in our heads. The twenty twenty two olympic seem really far away but in reality when you're having to put together the logistics of intercontinental event in the middle of pandemic while a lot of countries are seeing their numbers. Rise it's not a lot of time. I don't envy the w. Cf right now. And i imagine every contingency that i just listed and a dozen more have been discussed by them. Yeah i don't know what they're gonna do. I think i'm kind of with you. That pro my instinct would be. They'll try to do something in september whether they call it a world championship or not. I don't know but but by my by my understanding by most accounts probably most of the most of the countries where there's curling or at least curling. That's from three nations. That have a serious shot at olympic qualifications. Say the top twenty countries in the world which is basically asia europe. North america right Most those countries will be on track to have pretty full levels of vaccination by by the autumn. So by that point. I think it's likely that assuming that everything works out then. It's likely that you could run. Some kind of international events as september Is it the world's you just call it the world's then and and run it then. I don't know Do they do something else or do they go back to the board and figure out a different system for running an olympic qualifying. Like may. Maybe they go back and revise the world cup idea that they had and basically say what we'll do is we'll run. Regional world cup competitions for nations and let them use that to accumulate olympic qualifying by the european an asian or north american. Whoever the zones are you qualify that way so so maybe it's a chance to kind of basically go back to the drawing board caller the differences them. I think that the two biggest us you're going to get from national governing bodies the w. Cf is one having been in the room in the usa usa. Calling the one minute. Petrifies national program coaches as single elimination tournaments. Like i would love. I would love all sixty. Four teams march madness single. It would be great But you know. I don't think curling canned having invested several million dollars over the quad is going to be happy with that format right. There's a lot of money on the line here for for programs so they're gonna wanna come up with a system that allows countries multiple points of opportunity kind of eliminates fluky penis. So i can't see them just saying the is the world's and that's it for this world's twenty twenty one worlds and Or twenty twenty two worlds. Then you you decide your olympic qualification of that. So they're gonna probably have to with a new a new plan altogether while end because euros. An pac's weren't able to run this year and you weren't able to have a world's last year like there has to be some sort of of side door to wear a country like a finland or a czech republic has the opportunity to win their way into the olympics. Yeah i mean the wcbs principles are set up so that in theory is very difficult for to happen but in theory the lowest ranked team in the world should have a path every year to win the world championship. So you know if you're in the euro zone it can theory us. You could start in the pool. Win the pool when the b pool window get the world qualification event. Win the world qualification of and get two worlds. Get the playoffs. There's there's a pat i. It's super unlikely that's going to happen. But the principal there is that every country gets a shot right and i think that the membership clearly likes that and there's good reasons for that too. Because a lot of these emerging members associations if they want funding they have to go to their national governing bodies their national kind of funding bodies and say. Hey we money because we're going to get to the olympics like if you're not if you don't have a path to the olympics you're not getting any money to to run a national curling program so the path has to be there for you know a lot of these countries if they want to get any any kind of serious funding of even if it's light even if we all we all know who like eight of the ten teams are going to be in each event at the olympics. Right right down now and it'd be pretty close right Countries that are kind of on the bubble in that kind of next range that they're the ones who are kind of you know worried about funding. They're worried that if if the past closed off it could end up killing like leak curling in that country whereas at least if they get close to a qualification system they go back and get funding for the next quad So worlds as they are scheduled honestly zero percent chance tapping as as they are scheduled. No chance. I imagine that that announcement will come as soon as we hit. Stop on recording this podcast. Honestly i think we're gonna get an announcement this week about. Us nationals. in fact. I even saw colin huffman Say as that that he also anticipated as much on twitter today One place where. I think that they have at least a shot of playing is canada with the scotties. The brier And it looks like they might try to run those In calgary as a curling bubble with with no fans it's definitely different because you all the players are coming from one single country. There's no international travel but the other thing is the tv rights money in the that that curling canada probably needs the tv rights. Money needs to run these events In the tv rights money for those the skies in the briar probably means more curling canada than the world's does to wc fs coffers. So do you think that they can pull off this curling bubble in you think we will see a scotties in a brier a i guess so. I think this may run counter to one of the other. Larger more famous podcasts. Out there but i think the scotties the brier is is unlikely that the provincial associations would scream bloody murder if it was just all selection based right that that very much the provincial association. See the scotties. The is provincial. And they wanna keep that and i think they would be very opposed to anything that set a precedent For moving away for that as much as some people out there in the curly media escaped Might like that. I do think it's pretty easy for curling candidate to run the canada cup right like they can just go off see. Trs standings invite the top eight or nine if they want to expand the field of each gender. If they wanted to get a little creative maybe what they could do on top of that is encourage those teams the kind of form of partnership for mixed doubles one weekend. And maybe do skins game or some kind of you know continental cup type thing or something like they they could definitely create a curling bubble for a couple of weeks with bit of quarantine or either side that make it possible right with rigorous testing and kind of protocols you can get access to a university and the university of calgary i guess at one of the colleges there for kind of dorm space and basically create kind of a a a poor man's version if you will of the nba bubble right where it's just not. It's probably not as high tech but you could you know with with regular testing. That's possible i got actually. Our university. does that with like our students are required to do regular saliva testing on campus. And we we can track that pretty closely so the is there now to do that again. I think they'll probably have to get creative is a suspect. Maybe they'll call the scotties nebraska. I'm a little skeptical. I just think that at the provincial level of is just selecting off ccs standings that are ten months old. I think there's going to be a lot of pushback. I think running provincial championships is basically impossible because they normally run in january and if you look at the the rate the covid numbers are going and canada. That's not going the right direction. I don't think he can turn it around of walk down and in a month so Maybe a bubble maybe not think that's kind of up in the air and probably yeah probably canada cup type thing or some kind of made for tv thing and that you know that could work pretty well. Terms of entertainment and give perhaps the top teams some media exposure advertising exposure some competent competitive experience. And a chance. The maybe earn some points. But i suspect the sky these embraer. Lisa's kind of interprovincial won't be happening this year. Hey everybody future ryan here We finished recording this episode around five thirty pm on tuesday december first. And wouldn't you know it at six fifteen pm cruella. Canada announced the curling bubble. So they are going to run the scotties. The brier and the mixed doubles championships mixed doubles championships. Needs a fun name. Like scotties brier. If you have any ideas hit us up on social media but it needs a fun name. But they're going to run those three canadian championships. Surprisingly they're also going to run men's worlds and according to the curling news they're also going to run to grand slam events within the curling bubble. Which is going to take place in calgary and all those events are gonna run back to back to back. Toback basically Starting either in february or march in concluding in mid april according to the curling news curling news also said they have the option to cancel without penalty is late as mid-january again that is according to reporting by the curling news. Surprising to me was that they chose to include men's worlds in not women's world. I guess they're still planning on running women's world's in switzerland which right now unless you're one of the sinjin countries You can't really get into switzerland without quarantining for ten days in getting like a special access pass so Surprising that they did announcements world's was going into the bubble but not women's world's also. I really still don't think men's in women's world are going to happen. I just think that. I don't think you can run in inter continental tournament like that that quick but it would not surprise me at all if they if they're able to pull off brier scotties the the mixed doubles championship and the two grand slam events. So we'll see Yeah we'll we'll see. We'll see what happens with world's though i mean with those almost all of those are now professional teams if you're representing your country there's only a few that are add worlds. That aren't really professional. Teams that are capable of of quarantining for for two weeks on either side of the tournament. That like that so we'll see Very very interested to see that they went ahead and announce that they're going to try to do men's world's like this but All right enjoy the rest of the show. Jonathan i've been waiting forty minutes to talk about this and when it happened. I tweeted from the rocks across the pond account that i hoped that this story would get the kind of play in the curling media that it has deserved. And that's actually happened so at that. That's awesome and i have loved seeing people talk about this one place where the national championships for curling were able to take. Place was korea where kim jong reclaimed the women's championship Jong young suck when his first. Men's title in the mixed doubles title was won by the combo of shanghai g and song. Yuejin the win for a team. Kim jong the twenty eighteen olympic silver medallists is especially triumphant and is worth celebrating in a year. Where we've had so much bad news team can jong went through the round robin undefeated than prior to the start of the playoffs the ice makers at the korean championships papered the stones without telling the teams And if you watched any of the streaming that was provided by curling one spoon or the korean curling federation on instagram You might have noticed that in the round robin they were about mid eight for draws to the button and then all of a sudden. The prayer playoffs They were twelve Jonathan the reason we know the teams weren't told about the stones getting papered. Is that the korean. Curling federation had to issue a press. Release where they admitted to doing it because they said there just wasn't enough time to notify teams in advance. I don't want to pause a note like how shocking that is every like every event like umpire event that i've played or coached in the ice tech super transparent about stuff like that. They don't want they don't want the athletes kind of screaming. Yelling at the ice conditions are going to change that much. So that's actually quite shocking. It's like the the normal standard text. Don't want that either. We had jamie. Dan brooklyn is a guest than he was pews. Transparent about everything any question you had. But also he did say if there'd been any tweaks at all may just wanted everyone to know too so it was fair and the empires the same way too. So it's actually. It's actually kind of shocking to that happened we'll We'll put a pin in that one. Because we're gonna do an entire korean curling episode So we'll we'll circle back on that one win when we do our korean curdling episode So in the playoffs team. Kim jong Beat a team. Kim mingy in the page one to game committee is the twenty one year old who has won a bronze at worlds Two world junior medals and a gold at the asia pacific championships Team kim jong then knocked off defending champion jim on she to win their first national title since twenty seventeen This really is a story of perseverance. Perseverance and like i said we're working on a show about curling in korea and how what has happened team. Kim has impacted the sport at a grassroots level there. This team was celebrated after winning silver in february of two thousand eighteen. In on top. Of that euphoria. Kim jong got married that july in decided to start a family shortly after. And that's kind of when everything changed for this team. Then in october of twenty eighteen november of two thousand eighteen they alleged abuse and the misappropriation of funds by a gentleman named kim. Kim do the so called. Godfather of curling in korea They also alleged abuse misappropriation By his daughter who served as their coach and her husband who was also a korean olympic coach few months later in february of two thousand nineteen. The korean ministry of sport announced that it investigation backed team. Kim's claims and kim kyung dues family to return over a one hundred and eighty thousand. Us dollars in misappropriated funds. It was a victory for team. Kim but it was not the end of this story. The investigation by the korean ministry of sport revealed that a vice chairman of team. Kim's local sports association had been heavily involved in installing kim jong du's family members in positions that they were unqualified for And had basically condoned the abuse and the embezzlement however. This person was not disciplined until october. Twenty nineteen and then after only two months. That person was put back in charge of managing team kim by their local sports association. All this according to record to reporting by the korean tv network. Sbs this was all part of a wildly toxic culture that can be found out the korean olympic committee In we will discuss that culture further In our korean curling episode and this could have throughout the rest of team kim's career however korean sport faced a reckoning win in june of this year a twenty two year old triathlete named choice. Oh kyun killed herself. After previously reporting abuse from her coaching staff choi's death brought to light. What one korean sports studies professor told. The washington post was a quote harsh training regimen that justifies violence as long as it produces medal winners in quote in the country of south korea. Less than a month later team. Kim again came forward revealing that they were still being managed by that previously disciplined local official in that. They suffered from the same anxiety in despair. That choi likely felt finally starting in october. You had the four. That former vice chairman finally get permanently expelled from the casey f in days after team. Kim's victory at the korean curling championships. Kim kim do in his family. Were finally permanently expelled from the casey f. Jonathan seriously doubt. We're gonna see a world's played this year In while in the grand scheme of everything going on in the world. That really doesn't matter but it is shame that not having a world's might keep this story and team kim's perseverance from from reaching the broader audience it deserves although shout george carries and curling news for Putting out a good deal of this story today On their page on dot com. Yeah i think what i think is starting to get a bit more play right. I think part of the we we tried to cover this early on We were translate your like sending me stories. Reading korean new stories who google translate right and it was It was it didn't translate that well so difficult to kind of piece together. Exactly what was happening. And i think that's kind of part of the issue here. It is a really kind of tragic story. i'd say you know and kind of a a reminder of how sports can sometimes really really go off the rails. So you'll be good to discuss this a bit more in depth jonathan Situations like what happened to them are are just a score jr on sport and the olympic movement You know it. It's part of systemic failings at the top of a lot of national governing bodies that hopefully we are starting to eliminate from sports Like i said we'll dive into what happened in korea in how they can move forward in. Hopefully they've been given a second chance to capitalize on international curling success and turn it into growth at the grassroots level I don't think we're at the end of the story. I think there is redemption ark for this team that could culminate with a second chance at golden beijing. You know i. I thought coming up young chang. The next redemption story that we might see in curling would be team home in returning to the olympics in claiming gold but but now this is the one that i'm rooting for. I wanna see this team at the top. The podium in twenty twenty two. Good luck team kim in good riddance to the terrible people who did terrible things to a group of incredible women. It's good that those people will never be able to tarnish our sport again in. It's even better that team. Kim is back in winning big tournaments. Yeah it'll be yes. It's great to hear so. Hopefully we'll be able to see them playing in some kind of competition international competitions soon so i look forward to our next episode before we get out of here Congratulations to were champions Junior national champions in russia vlada romance of a is the women's champion again. She already has a wj c. c. gold and bronze to her name The men's side was won by german doronin in japan. Go aoki's again. You're men's junior champion for the fourth consecutive year He's also at former men's national champion And he participated in the twenty eighteen world championships on the women's side. Mahabharata won her first title. She and her third miyako. She finished second at this year's youth. Olympic games jonathan. I wrote the words. This year's youth olympic games in thought that can't be right. And i looked it up and yet there was in february of this year. Feels like it was thirty years ago but the other youth olympic games were this year They those two also played in last year's world mix Coming up the russians are going to be running their men's championship through december tenth and the women's championship will be december tenth through eighteenth. Those can be seen on the russian curling tv youtube channel so we can watch some russian curling then yes usually pretty solid curling to were. You tweeted out yeah. I've i've been doing that man. I did there's a couple of Of really good shots from the the women's junior championship that we posted to our twitter. And so you'll post the schedule to for all our fans to the find the best in the russian curling championships sure that that might be the only life curling december the way things are going right now probably yeah we also Before we get out here we want to join the australian curling federation in mourning the passing of their own ian pulecio originally from orangeville ontario. Just outside of toronto ian suited up for australia at twenty four different events in was part of two p. a. c. c. gold medal winning teams in two thousand five in two thousand six where he threw fourth. Stones for humility can The australian curling federation asked that if you have any memories or photos of ian to please post them to their facebook page Thinks everybody for listening in. We've got A lot of exciting stuff Coming your way you know. We always end the show by saying how much we appreciate you listening until you that the biggest compliment we can receive is if you tell a friend about us and apparently a lot of you have done that because we've seen tremendous growth in our little listening community since the start of cove nineteen and. We can't thank you all enough for doing that. If you're a fan of the show in you haven't already please let your curling friends and family know that. They can find on apple apple podcasts. 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Understanding Meaning and Value in Parkour  Dr Signe Hjbjerre Larsen (pt1)  Meaningful Sport Series

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Understanding Meaning and Value in Parkour Dr Signe Hjbjerre Larsen (pt1) Meaningful Sport Series

"This is the physical activity researcher. Podcast a podcast for researchers of sedentary behavior physical activity and sports join for a relaxed dialogue about research designed practicalities. And well anything related to research. Learn from your fellow. Researchers useful and relevant information that does not pay into formal content limited space of scientific publications. And here's your host. Welcome everyone this is the meaningful sport. Podcast and im your host not gotten meaningful. Sport is a series of discussions on the y and how involvement is sport than physical activity can be an important part of a life worth living. If you are interested in the theme you might also want to check out meaningful sport dot com there. You can find podcast. Show notes read a blog and access many resources for further explorations of meaningful sport. I have been looking forward to today's episode where we explore. Meaning some practices of lifestyle sports and especially parker parker's movement culture where practitioners your urban spaces and obstacles such as benches or rails for practicing variety of impressive movements and its popularity has exploded in the reason he is today. We will explore this phenomenon from a philosophical and sociological perspective. And ask whether parker can offer moments of non alienated experience in urban spaces. My guest today is dr senior loss. And she's an associate professor at the department of sport science and clinical bio mechanics at the university of sudden. A research is focused on life. Support and play as willis the institutionalisation of these activities. Welcome to the podcast senior. Thank you very much. Yeah just like i said. I've been looking forward to a conversation. I think we met the first time maybe be about ten years ago when we were both students students so we were in this page. Need course in in copenhagen. And i remember your talks on on your work and your data collection as well and so you've done this extensive ethnographic work in park or and that's something you can only do if you are immersed in that moment culture as well so maybe you can share a bit of your own background as her park or practitioner. So how you got involved than Y you fascinated did about this movement culture. Yes thank you very much and thank you also for the opportunity to to share my research just s passion. Foy full lifestyle sprawls A cool. I also remember the the summer school and the meeting. You and the assay must have really great experience. A in the beginning of my my my research. So how did i get into. I was an undergraduate student at ocean residency studying sports signs and i needed to find a subject for my bachelor's thesis. I've been doing gymnastics all my life. And i was a part of the gymnastics associations doing just recreational gymnastic in my free time and two of the boys from my gymnastic team they they had begun practicing a cool so they told me about it and they showed me some videos on the internet and it really really fascinated me so he invited me to to join them one day and i did. I follow them around the city China's still remember this this first time it doing crew because the they introduced me to to whole new way of looking at the at eleven space. Instead of seeing allman routes it was about exploring possibilities and him about connecting various urban objects with the with these roots of movements. But even though i was i was very fascinated. When i tried to the first time i must admit that i also got a little bit of this appointed us will because because i actually thought that we are going to him to jump from roof to roof and do some crazy stole from maybe half the police chasing us what i saw. I wasn't what i saw on the on social media on the internet but the but they were actually more drilling in open space so they were just spending a lot of time getting to know the different places seeing and fantasizing about possible of movement. They could put together so instead of being like a high speed then. Dangerous the practice was actually more characterized by control on focus. Send playfulness and it was very different. From what i saw movies and the films they show me. Yeah i think if you look into like youtube videos if you want just take a look at what it is like. I also thought that you get quite an unrealistic perspective idea. What park or is so. Yeah reality is something quite different. Just like he added. Yeah definitely so so. I was curious about finding out more about this movement practice and also to like busting the myths about what actually was and another thing i found interesting was that although to the two boys told me that it was because it was a unique movement culture developed in france i could recognize some the movements from old systems of gymnastics so most of these movements say when not movements that was passed. It do nasty piece that we didn't jim hall every week aimed at as it was practiced in merced association at that time but the the movements that i recognized from gymnastics systems was some movements that i tried as a child and the ones that i saw in historical books about gymnastics so it seems like there are some shared movements but also of course a significant difference between me and the and gymnastics. Because when i when i thought about gymnastics landing mats and the equipment has just become better and better and definitely wohlsen. The movements has become higher law complex. All the time and in relation to that precaut- more like a kind of becua- it's movements. Because the practice was characterized more by this naked relentless the connection between the school body and like urban environment. That's hock cold and inflexible so impetus nomad to save you. If you fall and the also no easy way to get up on that wall like you can use any equipment that you don't have any mets to save you so your bottom line is that i became very interested in how pakoa entered the traditional danish gymnastics to movement culture phenomena. They were related. They so choose to do my bachelor On that subject and the found out that the pa- kula and traditional danish gymnastics actually do share in a historical perspective some movements as villas gillette to collide ideas about training body and developing a strong and at terrific mind so dallas my stodden and the beginning and then i developed my studies into a master's thesis and i came in contact to to one of the first thing acquitting call to do and they went to french with them to visit the place that the has been developed as suburban city called the suburban cold this outside paris and a travel them in a camper van training hanging out and an asking them melodic question about and the taking pat in practice. Yeah maybe ask this this point. You started mentioning about the ideological roots and park or something that was developed in france so maybe just expand a little bit on that. What is that ideological background. And that context where where it is. Moving culture developed yet of course so cruel. Assay was developed in france by a group of frenchmen in the late eighties and I think bottom line is it's not a sport it it's it's gone by and to sports values. It's been that since the beginning so it originates from me from a french military training system. Called the packer dicamba time. I don't only five pronounced. That's quite right. In france but french military training system was developed by french officer and they've same movement system was based on the idea that the training natural environments and using basic functional movement stuck would foster physical and emotional development human virtue and and also reconnect people with the with nature but they but this say training system and its values. It wasn't the only inspirational source. For these young frenchman's they were also very inspired by comic books and superheroes. I don't if you know that japanese reckon bowl a tune Not really but that's been an inspiration for them. Yeah yeah so. They shared these fantasies about it. Being able to do the most impossible things than a conquering gravity and the and moving in the in this way at the stc superheroes so they took some of these movements from the french system and they began to practice them in in the urban setting pudding together movement into this continuous flow of movements that most people recognize as aspera anti. They found out that they were able to change the perception of it based and their Environment so they re enter printed a the ignorant in the french soups esa during a fit of playful possibilities. So you can say that. The the practice was Besides the will use about physical and mental development and also also going by values about play and expiration of the public everyday. Speak the space. Yeah and y- but that was like a like the volume in the region of it. Yeah and i interrupted you story so we were at when you were in In france and observing this practice on doing that yourself and so forth. so let's continue that story. Yeah so. I was alison. France and i followed this group and the then came home. I finished my masters. And i kept on training ourselves and in two thousand eight. I decided to to move to copenhagen and the actually become a part of this this progressing so they had developed this team. Further at the two of the leading figures were actually trying to to make a living out of the passion Doing teaching courses and stunt ups befalling so all kinds of jobs related to it due to their spills and the and and because of my education in the science and physical education. I helped them luck to to develop cars in and teaching. And i also the of the stunt jobs actually and they had some actually some incredible experiences with the with this team so we got to develop and tap leash the world first public precaution pack in copenhagen and we also took pop in a documentary. A in two thousand ten that explode the way that precludes changing perception of open space and the question where urban abilities. It's heading in the future. Yeah is it available in youtube or somewhere. Maybe i can link it a yeah. It's called the playground okay. I know that they're that's a trailer on youtube. Okay i don't if it's accessible through youtube but they but it is. I know that is a a homepage. Where can they can buy it or order. And it's it was in collaboration with the famous academic called beyond ings is a great star in the actual field and so he's also pat the that documentary So in in two thousand eleven. I got i was so lucky. I got the opportunity to do a pitch africa. And the in this speech d at tried to date the the bodily and the social practice of the kula so i wanted to describe what they the practice was all about how it was critic practice and how we could understand this practice in a in a broad cultural and the social perspective so yeah and i was also very interested in the institutionalization of the danish context because i could see that a that the movement culture was quite heavily institutionalized in denmark in the completion to him l. when we compare it to to other countries there's another a voluntary association that the began to offer classes in procure right from the beginning actually and also a lot of primary and secondary school who will sit integrating kouris activity that the there was a p and also there was another facilities although the country's being it being built for for practicing picchu so i found that they quite interested because at that time when we we saw this heavily institutionalization the practice it was still like a very Not well known. A subculture in france and i found that very interesting like why do we see these differences the between the countries sent. And why do we have suddenly a lot of facilities a lot of precaut- paksitan and we don't see those kinds of facilities in in other countries in the same way so that also became a part of of my peace. Yeah i've only like when i lived vascular like earlier esa student for I tried park. Were like maybe hoffy year. I think after that. I moved to denmark or something like that but i just remembered that already. At that time they had the park or academy and they had their indoor like Training whole and and there was like this outdoor Training area just like what you're telling in denmark and now i remem- i just look because we're having this conversation. I just looked up. Like what's going on with them. And i see that. Now there's also like a certification for instructors Yeah so he thinks are really just like you say becoming quite institutionalized and probably in here in finland well in the same way as in denmark. Yeah an excellent. Yeah actually north at just remember now that the and i forgot to mention that that finland is actually like one of the also one of the needing countries in in institutionalizing pakoa and the especially fiscal. So it back from may two thousand eight Remember that. I heard a lot about the that. The pa- cool was also being a quite him. The institution either. In your risk there are also some some finished researcher who has has done some nice research on the on the way of the appropriation of of even space. And also the the building of facilities in Yiska yeah so it's really interesting to see these developments and would it be right word to call this. The sport ificationbut roses are being talked about other movement culture davison. What would the sociologists who are. Were studying these processes. What would they say. I'm obviously you are studying these processes as well so yeah we can just try to explore those concepts that is related to this little bit. Start with not on the second question. I'll try to remember it afterwards would be to. What are the perspectives of practitioners are happy about development or is there resistance as well. So let's start with those concerts. Yeah okay yeah in impact. I think international we see both it institutionalization on we also see as specific sport a physician but i think said that some different to to concepts because when example denmark win pakuris being institutionalized into sports association and p. It's not necessary because it. It is like becoming a spot in the clear definition of an achievement. Sport right so you can have like an organized practice with cheaters. And the and in an indoor setting. But it's not necessary because they they are making it into a competition sport. So i think a lot of teachers especially and i can only speak from the context of thin but especially in the in pe and in the in the gymnastics asssociation. They have a clear idea that peculiar something different. And you shouldn't teaches exactly the same way as you. For example a teaching gymnastics all. You're teaching football roy. Some kind of the achievement sport so there is a different there. But i think it also depends on. For example in the gymnastics association. It depends on the way. Gymnastic is is the culture around gymnastic is is in the different countries because for example in denmark gymnastic is not primary and chievements both then lack. It's a sports ball. it's abroad the actively finisher and the and there's a lot of play to gymnastics. Wade is teach of course. We also have spoke gymnastics. Were like kids sentiment and young people practicing to it to maybe become a part of the national team and go to the olympics. But that's a very very that's a minority in the in. The gymnastic is practice in the in denmark. And i know that in some other countries it gymnastics roy. It's more like him. An achievements both. Its practices spoiled. So you're getting divided into two specific age groups and off the level and things like that and so if if you have a cooler in this context i think it would be much more of a sports specification of the of that that we actually see in in gymnastics association in denmark. So but if you look at it international that has been like a sports station of pakoa as willa. We see another lifestyle sports. So i can remember when they began. I think must be around. Two thousand seven seven something when we had the fist international competition called ripple out of motion and that is like a sport station of the cool way you compete in a in a pack that they put up acidity so even though they approve us originally developed Organized activity in the ninety s and it was go on by these anticipated to will use. It did health been spread in the across many many countries and institutionalized in many different settings and has also been developed as a sports of competitive practice and in two thousand seventeen the international gymnastics. Federation it actually announced that they would develop a core international s a sub discipline of gymnastics. And they actually planned for olympic inclusion in in two thousand twenty four but this house however been heavily. Criticized for for corrupting is some of these cola use and the and also for mis appropriation of the practice because even though we see sport occasion and we do have some international competitions such as this one called ripple out of motion most processionists do understand as playing practice and s something quite different to achievements for so your research park disciplines. For example. my second question was about. How do practitioners think about that. So if you think of the ones who you interact with and you were part of your research. What kind of feelings do they have about this sport fixation process. I think it said it's the whited action a think we have a big group of petitioners who Who are very critical to dispose vacation. They because they they find it the way way. Inappropriate to what the according to the values and the the meaning that they are touching to their to the practice so them chorus is about playing and it's about experience. It is piercing yuban environment in a different way and being together and connecting with people and spaces and and not about the competing being the best on a stuff like that but we also have a group of people who who find it like the natural development of the practice. Zoe we also see this in all kinds of of lifestyles. Sports that the for example skateboarding and snowboarding and surfing that they we- they find it natural that when when people are getting at a at a certain level in their skills they wanna test them against each other so they have this idea that this is like a natural thing to do when the when activities grow and and people become become more skills at one point you. He wanna you Capability up against each other and then they. They also accurate that the the way the competitions that put together is still with. Some of the will us from from the lifestyle sports so you. You're still a cheering on each other. And the in the also accurate that the sometimes the the petitioners are more interesting in mentioning that the something cool about the competition is that sometimes they are capitalist full for developing new skills and the new movements a so that always said they are a pot of pushing the limits to what is actually possible to do as a petitioner Now if it makes sense what i'm saying. yeah yeah. yeah. I mean you've written about park. Boris craftsmanship and there is this ideal developing your skill developing your croft so there is this striving towards improvement and getting to a new level. So that's also part of the practice but then the question whether you want to put that into competition is a different question asks. You're saying that's something i would guess. That older practitioners are also striving to improve their skill in in power. But not everybody sees a valuable thing to be putting into competition and i think one of one of the big critique is also that they don't want to have the label of being an extreme for that's very important to most petitioners because they have very dependent on accessibility to to urban space. And to have that to be legitimate pot of of the streak you have to be. You have to be somebody who is not a danger. Jewel the people And also because if they don't think about their practice extreme sport the thing about it as a playing practice a and something about control and focus and the yeah about developing the way you can late and move in space that's also very important to them and also that they want to the new generation to understand. Poker is a discipline practice. Another sport that you just sign up to win in a club and then you go twice a week and the then you don't think any more about it because i think what's fascinating. Most of the petition is that it is a lifestyle to something that they they carry with them. This changed perception that they have of urban spaces. It's something that they carry with them. In the era they live so when the driving the bus and they look out the window. They see a perfectly foca cooler. They get all excited so so they are carrying this change perception with them everywhere. And i think what what most petitioners off is if to be like a like a normal traditional sport that you attend in clock and you come their practice and the new you go home again on. Think about something else. Because that's very far from the the meaning and the experience that the most of the petitioners have yeah and we talked about the tension with the sport fixation. But i think we can also talk about the tension in the institutionalization. So i think it's just such a striking contrast that you talk about your first experience of parker almost expecting that you'll be chased by the police. Even yeah it wasn't like a reality but so whereas what is happening now. Is that the park or practice is being put into like designate spaces. That this is where you go and you to do your park war. And and i would guess an and what i understand that a test also been a form of some type of cultural critique and resistance whereas that element is probably being lost when park or something that is taught in schools and and you know practiced in clubs and where you have level three certified instructors and so forth so is that resistance dying are maybe some practice still like holding onto this ideology behind. I think a lot of positions is is still holding onto this disa- critique and i think it's quite important. Also because if we want to crew to to be something out genitive and something yeah china to to to mainstream physical cultural practices. We need to to keep focused on that. Where is the cultural critique or the alternative impecunious. Nothing it's is very dependent on that we we don't look at cacahuete assist a specific set of movements that you need to learn like you need to learn these skills and then you do cool and we also need to recognize the urban environment and everyday space very important aspect of a cool if if we only have focused on movements and the and we practiced him in an indoor setting like traditional gymnastics Football something else than it doesn't have much attentive to it anymore so accurate. My latest paper is that yet that it is a hefty potential to give people experiences with their everyday surroundings and the and the experience that people can change the perception of urban space and feel connected to it and of course it can still be motivating and an exciting activity to do in a most setting if resembling in an indoor sitting in and we can actually also seen some cases that that when we all denies the when we have organized it it does for some tackett groups make make it more inclusive and attractive for example. We can see where we have organized classes with We always have mobile practicing cool. Actually yeah but but i think it's important to act to keep the connection to the street name also on the values that we have some different while you that the that we actually talk about and the petition. That's quite explicit about in their practice and also think the quite different from from other sports of settings Traditional fiscal cultures and also have a lot of petitioners who have told me that the before practicing. I never talked about while us with anybody. Like i never went to football and we sat down and talked about. Okay what will use. Do we have on this team or an into gymnastic and and talked about okay the meaning of gymnastics. And what will you so we. Yeah a practicing but suddenly tried that with procure because the values of very expensive and feel attracted by that. So so i think these will use are quite important to petitioners and we actually need to care about because that is what makes an alternative to to mainstream traditional four and you mentioned your latest paper that will be does specific focus of the second part of our conversation. And i'll certainly link the other works that that you have written park or so. The listeners can go and take a look so plenty of mary. Exciting work that you have produced in this area so for now for the first part the conversation so thank you so much and will continue to the next. Thanks for joining us this week. On physical activity research through podcasts. If you liked the show makes you never miss an episode. By subscribing of follow the show on twitter. This podcast is made possible by listeners. Like here thank you for your support. If you found value in this show we really appreciate rating apple podcast. Which ever at us or if you would in real old school way simply tell a friend about the show. It would be great help for us. We have a fantastic lineup of guests forthcoming episodes so be searched to thank you all for your support. Have a great day.

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An Esports Professor in Tokyo on Explaining Esports to Parents, Esports in Higher Education

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An Esports Professor in Tokyo on Explaining Esports to Parents, Esports in Higher Education

"Hello Ed. Welcome. It's what other episode of the E Sports Network podcast in partnership with Reuters. As always. I'm your host my dreams. And today we're talking too bearish. He's the guest lecturer at keio University in Tokyo teaching Esports businesses. 2018 Camaro. Thanks for joining the show. Thank you very much for having me today. Barrow is also the founder of an Esports advisory company at a big 4 consulting firm based in Tokyo, and he recently published a book as well called the mystifying Esports. The goal of that book is to explain what Esports and gaming in general is to perish only know it through seeing their kids play video games often for many hours at a time. We once a long time ago on this podcast feed if you're a listener who remembers this podcast shout out to you. We did a podcast how to explain Esports to Fred's and parrots. It was simply me rated get to a Mike tried to explain some of the topics that I've found successful in explaining this to parents and now I'm home. We do have it actual expert who can help explain what Esports is. I imagine that our listeners odd who have listened to a hundred thirty five episodes of an e Sports podcast probably don't need the industry to be dignified. But we all have people in our lives parents friends colleagues who don't totally understand what e Sports is. So that's going to be part of our goal here and we're also going to look at the sports how Esports is being approached in higher education as well with Barrel being a guest lecturer at keio University like we mentioned so starting off with the book. Why did you want to write the book. Any sports? What was the moment that you were like? Okay. This is a book that needs to be done. Yeah. That's a great question manage. So as you already said I started this e Sports advisory about 2,000 more than two years ago at this big 4 consulting firm and which was the first time ever and and often, you know, I encounter a lot of people I'm I'm sure this is happens a lot of people, but I'm from, New Jersey. This scene there were a lot of people who might have heard about it, but they don't really know about it. That's like oh that's a game thing, you know and the conversation kind of stops there. So there were sad, but then you know, I thought this was maybe some sort of a business problem that I need to solve it and you know, the more they understand that the more they they see the opportunity in terms of business wife off their own. So they tried to do more, you know, maybe try to establish a new business strategy and where we moved which we can help and so I used to think along the business side of it, but then took my my mother-in-law she still thinks that excuse me gaming is evil and she kind of flipped with my I have teenage boys at 6 and 8 whose fortnite players and she kind of flipped one day after seeing them flying too much and she pretty much I think she actually cut one of my younger years. Power charge code of the oh no, that's the switch. And this was like, holy shit, you know this actually happened so I gotta do something about it. So that was really the moment that I realized. I gotta do something about this because you know with this generation generational Gap, like my sons gaming is, you know, they're part of their everything at this point and but each other hand my mother-in-law took my my parents and above generation. They have either minimal no gaming experience at all. So we have this clear generation gap, so I thought maybe this is a more of a generational problem. So I thought maybe the best way new bridge tied to have that says to write a book because that's a medium that you know paperback book as a medium that you know older generation is more familiar with and reading through so let's say you write a book and I happen to you know, I'm originally from Korea South Korea and I grew up when Starcraft was taking off in the nineties and log You know that so I wanted to tell The Narrative of this, you know, and from a historical point of view like how it really took off and got off as a solid industry after two decades. So, you know, I'm sure there's a lot of pranks on how to explain any sports but I want to take my take was on this circle side of it. Absolutely. That's a that's a really interesting story and probably not too unfamiliar to a lot of people. I remember quite a few months to get control there was definitely broken in my household and I gave boy was absolutely broken what I wouldn't get off playing Pokemon when I was like ten or eleven but God it's stuff. It's so goes. I feel like a lot of people have had that experience and you also mentioned the business side too. So whether you're trying to explain Esports to a parent who doesn't totally understand it or maybe to a boss he recognized. Hey, there are opportunities for our company to embrace gaming or Embrace Esports and if they're not totally getting it that can be a tough challenge too. So I think we all have wage. Somebody at our Lives who we hope would better understand what he Sports is at what gaming is? What are the most common misconceptions that you see about e-sports? You know, he Sports is a pretty catch-all term for quite a few drivers of games that are popular different regions that are popular of different platforms. But overall, what are some of the most common misconceptions you see the people have towards gaming and why do you think they have those and why are they potentially harmful? That's a great question man. So, at least some base in Tokyo as you said and as at least the people that I see around often the the like the misconception that they have is that whether it can like I you know being an Esports player can be actual job. I think that's one of the you know questions that I got a lot here as you know, Japan as a gaming Nation. It's they you can see a lot of people crashing games, but in terms of Esports like a sports athletes, it's it's really starting to take off so that you know, it's still in their people's conception. It's still they can still You know hard to get their heads around whether this gives you a full-time job, right? So it's for me. It's that part to you know, make them understand that this is an actual job just like YouTubers nowadays art which you know streamers that something new and this can be if you're good at it this give you a full-time job and you know, and if you're really good at it people look up to you and you're going to have a lot of fans and say, you know this ship you a very long-lasting career and it's just some people just who's not familiar with the scene. This is a very, uh, you know hard to understand kind of concept. So I try to walk, you know, making of a send through the History part of it this this doesn't happen overnight like this actually happened over a couple of decades and we're actually seeing, you know at the at the peak of it and perhaps and and that's that's one of the challenges thing. I've seen so far. I don't know if that answer your questions. Definitely, you have to wonder if back in like the early part of the last century people have the same approach towards Sports where there was very odd sports leagues at least for this North American Centric point of view. The only sports like that exist in like nineteen twenty was the MLB no one FL at the time no NBA none of that page. So you have to wonder if people saw early athletes that were like, oh you're going to you're going to make a career out of play a game. There's no way you could do that and we might have some similar attitudes now in Esports. It's just starting out and because that wasn't a thing that they could do in their generation. They don't realize that it's a thing that's now become open to a new generation of kids. You know, that's a gray, just so, you know similar story. So there was a very popular TV drama that happened early this year was that this year? It was actually last year. It was about actually the traditional Sports stories or how long First took Tokyo Olympics was held back in those days and back into the state is still as you said traditional Sports wasn't considered as a you know, as a full-time occupation et cetera. There's a professional scene etcetera. So, you know pretty much a similar scene episodes. Same thing is happening right now, but more towards on the digital side and you know, it's I think the narrative is very simple and you said which it's interesting how that happens almost every generation and people are you know, even in our parents generation they were playing with computers people like well, what does that what are you doing their job? Is that going to lead to anything and it's like, oh now it's all the biggest companies in the world. Right? I think people are just so used to what exists in while they were growing up that if it's an entirely new job section when you industry that's cropped up. It's hard for them to wrap their brains around and be like, okay. Yeah, this this makes a lot of sense. Have you seen people's attitudes start? A shift recently. There's no doubt that Esports and gaming has gone through a big mainstreaming and you know, I think that mainstreaming happened earlier over an issue maturing from South Korea and the Korean government created a t Sports Association in the year two thousand. So they've been no early adopters on video games and and obviously in Japan you've got Nintendo who's better Flagship of gaming for or almost three, they'll go over three decades now, which is absolutely crazy to think about have you seen people's attitudes towards gaming shift at all, or do we still have quite a ways to go for the older generation to start accepting video games as a legitimate past-time an illegitimate industry. Yeah. So so in Japan, I think we still have a way to go but we have a summer very good uh-uh reactions at the moment. So I just said, you know in Korea we had that Kessler Coney Sports Association, and we we have something similar in Japan here now as well as Club. Seen Japanese T Sports Union and that was established in 2018 and they consider that the Japanese sports teams started from 2018 and since 2018. We seen wage influx of a lot of media exposure about e-sports a lot of events going on a lot of Industry activities going on. So it's pretty much since 2018, and in the media e Sports is pretty easily found. So I think in that sense also from from my from my business percent as well liked as a my clients wage has been increased alive since then and there are a lot of clients who is interested in like tried to be involved in any sports industry try to get get inside of it whether I'm in marketing side or as a new business side. So I think in that sense, we have a really good start but I still like if you consider like say maybe maybe who's not heavily involved. The business side but you know maybe a slightly older generation. I think still they have a less exposure to what it is and they have so, you know limited opportunity to you know, get to actually know what it is dead. So I think there's still a way to go but what I've seen for example two years ago and I want to see now as a complete change its so I I think we ought to get good track in Japan. Definitely, it feels like we've reached a point where every brand at least, you know, the I guess the cart caught up to the horse in some way where everybody saw enough Brad started entering the space than other brands like oh wait, they're here. Okay, we need to have r o d Sports strategy. And now at this point almost every major bread either is involved in these Sports in some way or is considering how to get involved in gaming. How do we what it Where we at on T Sports there at least having those conversations and you could just four or five years ago those conversations were just non-starters in most right offices at least from my perspective. Yeah, exactly and and actually also the cobit condemn it helped a lot that sense with all the traditional Sports being, you know, suspended and all that like we have a way more, you know interest on the corporate side of how to be involved in these Sports scene. So, you know that goes along with that side. It's true. I actually had so I'm based in Las Vegas of listeners this podcast know and I had a really funny experience that I'm sure you guys are sick of me here and talk about this one experience. But it was it was impactful way. I did about February March right before the pandemic took hold. I was talking to Joe at the CEO of William Hill, which is one of the leading sports book operators. Like hey, where are you guys at on e-sports. Do you age like no, we don't care. It's you know sports betting is being legalized in different states around the us right now is like that's our main focus like Fair makes sense. Well about two months later. He's quoted in New York Times article. This is too much into the pandemic and he's like re Sports handle has been massive. We we see the ton of people want to bet audience Sports all over the place and it was just a crazy flip so you can be like very dismissive towards the sports that I was like, yeah, you know, that's that's reasonable from your perspective sure. You got other things to worry about and then the pandemic takes hold casinos clothes Sports books are at home. And suddenly e Sports is the only game in town and he's super huge on it. And that's the kind of exposure that covid-19 had created was just people who normally had all these other things to focus on something. We have those lead. They're playing like I guess you can look at that Esports thing now, it'll be really interesting to see lasting ramifications audience Sports. It feels like a lot of people who created these Sports strategies during this time aren't could just abandon those when we return to normalcy whenever that might be a total. You say the same thing in Japan like a lot of the sports leagues here. They adopted very graciously and very speedly off to adopt a strategy. So with all the sources being suspended develop that so they had a couple of online, you know charity event on Cobb good and you know on on a game that has nothing to do with her own sports team, but, you know just for the sake of it and that's how they start to get, you know be involved in that scene and they get to learn that. Oh, this is a very effective way of Rome. Their fans or increase their fans with a completely different area that completely different sector and it's been just growing since and so I yeah, and this is I'm sure this is happening worldwide. Ohm, absolutely. It seems like there's quite a few conversations actually just earlier did a podcast with somebody based in Belgium and he's his company has been helping build these types of leagues for the Swiss prolong the Belgian pro league the world bowling Federation and some of these Sports editors and he basically said the same thing. So yeah, I think it really is no we've got North America Belgium and Japan now represented all of our conversations today. And so I think you call worldwide about I also wanted to get it back to the page explaining to parents. It's such an interesting topic and we have this on the college and I'm probably going to publish this on the ecology sport speed in addition to the E Sports Network feed. I think it's a relevant discussion. We're going to talk a little bit more about the class. Each other before that I want to go back to your mother-in-law real quick, you know, and I think it's especially for parents whose kids are Avid Gamers and they want to support them but also develop healthy habits because right now it's not necessarily good for a kid to play 8 hours of fortnite every day. They they should be able to play some and they're what they're worth all that when you have tips for parents whose kids are playing a lot of video games. They're like, hey, we don't want to be like maybe as dramatic as cutting Nintendo switch charging cord just it's a hypothetical. Um, but we do want to maybe set some healthy boundaries. What advice can you give to parents who want to who are okay with kids to play games? But also what to make sure that it's a healthy habit that they they enjoy the healthy hobby, right? That's a great question. But I mean, I I as a parent and also a gamer who wage Trumpets, you know Super Nintendo and PlayStation and all that. I also have mixed feelings since the point. I became a van der. Like if I see my kids playing hours and they don't care about their homework at cake, you know bothers me alive. So I think there's that boundary as a as a parent that you want to give them a good guidance. But at the same time you don't want to you know, you don't want to frustrate them or just discourage them on playing games because it's it's not only entertainment nowadays game itself. It it has become more than that. Not just a personal entertainment but more of a nowadays. It's a very valid communication as well and also a lot of learning contents in it. So my suggestion is that so a lot lot lot of the so for example, my mother-in-law she doesn't understand what it is, but she had interest to know a little more about it because her grandchildren are so into it and basically they're they're taking over the television so she can't watch anything anyway so long So what often she does is that normally is that they try to you know set some rules that okay today, you're only going to play an hour or maybe an hour a day and age what often that creates is. It kind of creates a sort of a conflict to our to my son's because you know, for example, if you're playing fortnite some some rounds can be as long as you know half an hour, but some are some round can be quite short and that doesn't really fit into that one hour block, right? So you may be in the middle of a very important job, you know round and you can't really take you know, turn off or just you know, log off you just can't do that because you're playing with other people but then you know, your grandmother says that you get yourself because it's it's sort of like an hour mark So I think that's where the really the upsetting part starts from the player perspective as a kid, like what was happening, you know, and I don't want to you know, I don't want to stop and so I think yep. One way to get around is that it's not by setting Rules by an hours or time should be speaking. So it's more like setting rules based on you know, what makes sense to that game per se. So for example, if it's a fortnight, you know, it could be, you know, you can set up a r o s a maybe you would do a couple of round big three rounds today or four rounds or it could be a 1 long round today and then we'll move on but sometimes it give me a longer than an hour, but then you get okay maybe today because it was very important around. I understand you'll do a little more than that, but maybe the next day or a day or two. There'll be a day that you eat the kid maybe you know, okay to do maybe a shorter rounds because off last time they get a longer around so that kind of a communication and also a parent and children negotiation. I think that's a really good start of having a healthy communication found in order to do so, it's also encouraging for the parents to understand at least a rules of the game what's going on to understand so I mean, you know games like soccer game FIFA. It's really easy to understand ma'am. And you know, it's they already know the rules and also raising games subsidies understand but if it comes like fortnite or it's a League of Legends or Dota 2 and that sort of like real time strategy gate understand a little bit about what's going on and off, you know, they don't need to play it right if you cuz understanding the the rules and despite looking at there, you know children playing that's when we have starting to learn it and you know, ask them questions like oh what what does that mean? How how did you win or what does that mean? You know, like just try to learn say say, I don't know American football for for the first time if you're not familiar with it. So, you know, I think that's a probably a very healthy way of being engaged with your kids or grandchildren whose very Avid Gamers and trying to have a conversation based on a gaming that's my take on it. I absolutely am I think just the showing a level of understanding about the game is going to go a really long way and be like, hey, okay, if you get a victory Royale, well, let's end on a high note so dead. If you if you get a win in this round, then that's it. That's going to take you twenty twenty-five minutes. But if you take if you lose right now you lose right off the Jump you go right into tilt or or the towers or whatever you dropped to the I don't know what's good for it anymore. But you know, exactly and you get killed immediately. Well that okay, you get a limited individual you get to go right back in and you get a play button, right? You only get three of those the only get three if you insist so dropping tilted while you slept you're not good enough to stick in. So you going to bring something along that line. So like my youngest son who's six years old? He's really into like items right collecting good items. So he want this gold like like sniper rifle example, and you know, for example say he got this but then the time hit and then say a time is up, you gotta you gotta quit and you know, he's he's for sure he's going to cry wage. So you don't want to you don't want that happen. So give him a pet him some slack, maybe give another 10 or 15 minutes and let him play and maybe he get a bigger L out of that and then you know, you know how they feel once they get a victory off with that confidence boost that you know, all of a sudden that motivational energy that came out and that is out then you can try to as a pair you can try to ship that towards something more. I don't know maybe their homework say clean up the ruins cetera. And so sort of that kind of a I think shaping as kind of possible. I think so for sure. I see hit a lot you mentioned legal edges and I'm sure they've been a sore point for quite a few parents. My brother is the big league fan in our family and he's I think he's well up into Platte at this point. So he's taking the game fairly seriously at this point down at the Legends kids go about what 30 to 45 minutes usually right? Right and it's hard because he's like, I literally cannot leave during this time you come in you want to suck? I think would be I can't do it. Like I am I am here. I'm so didn't care like I would play basketball or something. My parents just don't understand that. That means like you can't answer questions at the current time like wage. He's trying to concentrate. He's trying to focus. Maybe he plays too much babies crying a little bit too much of letting it affect his mood say you have called you out but he's that's it takes off of understanding and it takes you like hey right after this game. Okay, you're done. You're going to come do this or actually watch it and being like hey, that was nice good moment. And then, you know, you could tell wage there's a gap in the game. If you're familiar with the game even just watch it for a little while. You could be like, oh you just died. Okay, cool. I can talk to you right now. So I've noticed you just died question I have for you is what are they going to say? Right? What are they going to say? No, I did just buy know. They see that that's right. Exactly. You mean parents are going to be able to come back. At least showing an understated like you mentioned American football. It's a very complicated game and we just kind of assumed people understand how it works and you know that same level of understanding needs to be applied to gaming if you want to understand where your kids are at and it's they may look really complicated confusing like you don't need to know all hundred twenty League of Legends characters, but you can't understand stages of the game was just like, you know, what they're trying to do that just for a level of connection there. Yeah, exactly. So that's that's a that's a whole, you know, exactly the same thing, right? And especially if you have a gaming Club in the house, you could be a great person to ask about what does this mean? And what does that mean and just to get the general idea of the the overall rule about it? And you may not know about the actual skills and you know, the Champions skills et cetera. What's a good combination of Genesis and that that's there may be a little detail but overall like how to win and what is important and you know wage Why why we are very into it and as you know modern day and I think that's a really good start as a as a parent or grandparent who actually just be involved in this month. Absolutely. Absolutely agree. Yeah, just just also just showing an interest in learning about it goes a very long way I think as well so it's the end of my day but it's the start of yours over in Japan. So let's let's move this move it a little bit because I'm sure you have other things to do today. I want to talk a little bit about e Sports at higher education we so we have the ecology Sports feed and that feed we're covering a lot of the different organizations that are competing ecology sports, but we're also covering some of the academic studies that come out that focus on gaming or Esports at large and I'm curious to know from your perspective how you approach your e Sports business class. Do you go into it? Assuming students have some baseline knowledge of what Esports is and you're trying to specialize And give some high-level thoughts or are you doing it more as a primer for okay, you're interested in general business. This is a new industry. This is a section. You should be aware of what's your sort of mindset and approach as you enter one of my classes. Yeah. So so easy answer is actually both a little both. So the very first thing as e Sports advisory local here that we did that we thought it was actually on education. So we collaborated with the K University and started providing a resource dedicated course, that was pretty much the first time and that happened in Japan turned out and the way it worked out is that it's a semester course, right and four weeks fourteen weeks and as a as a consultant we give them the very beginning we give a big picture of the industry about the numbers and how the market is growing overall, you know, the usual clogged but what's important is that we introduced the the business ecosystem dead. That how many stakeholders in terms of business different business aren't involved in this industry. And for example, we have you know, of course the game Publishers but we have the event organizers the teams the players and sponsors the the Platforms in broadcasting platforms the facility businesses Etc et cetera and and you know, we can go on and off if you consider you all the entire ecosystem and the you know, the auxiliary business around it and that was that's the first probably the introductory the first two weeks and then the later on from the third week and onward we invite guest speakers from this individual stakeholders within the East Coast business. So the it's just so busy we get to learn about what they do what they're thinking what their what their issues what their problem, you know as as they're actually doing the business whether they Sports a scene. So for example, we had a dead We have great great great speakers. For example, we had event organizer cyber said we had a a sports team professional team and coach was here. We had Ali Baba as organizer. We had a Microsoft where HP who's providing the gaming PC and the HP action broad their actual gaming PC one of the series which was really cool. And so we had a actual grown racing team also be involved as well and the list goes and on and on and just as hearing their story about it how they started and how they be see how they got serious wage and what are the seal the issues to try to overcome it just very fascinating and students to learn a lot about you know about the industry and at the end of the last week the last few years, you know, we do final presentation. I mean not us but the students so it's like sort of the final pitch so they team up, And they decide you know, it's basically it's part of the Consulting practice like, you know, like I think of think like a consultant and what if they try to pitch a client where whether that you know out of the client being one of the stakeholders within the echo is for Psycho System. What would what would their pitch be and that's the topic right? So I say for example, if they're going to pitch to say Hardware baking company business their idea about how to start the sports business and actual the final day. We have all the guest speakers join box and so that we have actual very very active Q&A going on. And also a matter of reason for that is that we also try to connect this, uh, you know Prospect of you know, students who's interested in there, you know future career working for one of those kinds of companies, so that could be a very good starting point to have an early conversation out there, you know aligning their future careers. Is that maybe you know if they have a good alignment maybe that maybe they will actually work for that company. So in that sense, we've been trying to be an enabler like a sort of an orchestrator. We don't you know, we don't have we met direct stakeholder in terms of the Esports business. We don't do any that like business as a stakeholder, but we help the stakeholders within the business and try to invite them and try to defend the students know there's a lot of things going on and it's not only about being good at playing games. There's a lot of business profession behind it and you don't have to be a good game player. You get these still very good event organizers. If you could be a good platform of business provider as censorship the list goes forever. So that sort of the big picture that we try to provide it and we've been doing that for over two years now a super interesting fact and I think it's a very valuable course you sometimes see discourse aroud Esports degrees, which I think is a bit long All represent it because you hear these like entire degree programs all focused around e Sports which people are like that just was not ever necessary to these sorts of the past week off like making it necessary. But at the same time if you're getting a degree and you have a core Saudi sport, I think that's a big difference and sometimes the two can be completed and Esports course where you spend like you said sister focusing on e-sports business a t Sports business applications and it's part of a much larger framework of what you're studying in school is a lot different than doing a two-year or four-year degree from your only talking about e-sports, which is what a lot of people subtypes will talk down on but then they'll frame that around T Sports courses. I think that's always a a misnomer. It's not really a great reputation because he's very complicated industry getting the people like you mentioned Ali Baba Microsoft e Sports organizations talking to people is really really beneficial. I wish that I had a class like that coming out of school. I had to learn all of that on the Fly after coming out of school. I was like, okay, I like video games. I think this Esports thing is pretty cool. Yeah. What have I learnt? Like, what is this industry then I had to go back was like, oh this started in two thousand and Korea. Oh crap. I have a lot of history to learn about that was like my first six months of the space was just learning about the history of all these various Esports and it would be great to have that be covered in an actual course while I was at University. That just wasn't a wasn't an option. Yeah. Yeah, you know it was it was really well received, you know in that sense. So we started off as a, you know, we didn't honestly when we first started we did not know how you know, like reactive this is going to be and so we started kind of small with the we started as a grad level course and it was like, you know, like maybe next we were off and maybe 10 people that actually twenty people showed up and half of them were under grad students and they said they didn't they didn't need any credit. They'll just like to sit in and they just have to sit in because they never seen this kind of course dead. Is that okay? And it was also very well received in terms of media as well. So we had a couple of television channel came over to us and actually do an interview of our courses and that's how we get our interview of all those you know, individual quotes taking courses in why why were they interested in and there was the first year that okay, maybe you know, this is not bad at all and that we move on second year and we try to do this with a guy. Of course and the max capacity for that course was 70 people. But the first day it was about 180 people showed up. What? Yeah, right. I mean, how's that butt off? You know what college course has this kind of reception. I never seen that in mind in my time back in college. I was like, okay never that's like the scene in a Good Will Hunting where they have Showtime. Is that may happen. Thank you Tori, right? Yeah. You just got people suck. They get all the different ages like oh, wow. There's a lot of people here. It's like, oh that's funny. That would never happen. Right and one of the one of the really most popular lecture was it was a it was a guest lecture by I wanted the professional team. Does the coach who was a league coach for the legal message here in Japan and what he asked for the students he gave a homework beforehand and he said if there's any legal veteran players, make sure you record your own play and bring it to the class so that he will give a life coach of your play and we had a couple of League of Legends players in the class were so excited to you know, just make a you know, a record of their plan to share it and he was basically giving you know guidance about this is what you you you're supposed to do and this is what you should not do and it was great. It was really really well accepted and the student who got feedback. I think he posted on tweet and the guide were treated like a couple thousand times or something like that. So it was it was really was really busted backpack. I could think in those time. That's super cool. I'm not sure I could stand having a professional coach go over by game played like rocket league, but you like what are you doing? Like, I don't know. That's why did you choose that you have in the first place? I like the skid. I think it's cool. Yep. Yeah, but you know, you know professionally being hard. It's yeah, it's it's tough. That's that's an interesting point of like, hey, let's introduce kids to all the other way. If you have a passion, I think this sort of ties it all together supposed to be my final question for you, you know, you have kids who the initial reaction is. I want to be a pro player ought to be a streamer. It's just like I wanted to be a shortstop I was growing up and that was never destined to happen and it's just not going to happen. So I changed my goal for career in sports at that time Esports was hardly a thing that was really on my radar as a potential career opportunities. You know what? I got to college I was in sports and I was like, oh, I'm really passionate about e-sports. There's a huge opportunity here and it's something that I find to be really fun. How can you walk in parrots help guide their kids into career Pathways like coaching like brand Partnerships, like casting like event management that help incorporate their love for gaming but might not necessarily be a streamer or Pro Player, you know, what can parents be doing to be like hey gaming is good. But also figure out what skills you want to do to find a job within the Wi-Fi gaming industry within the wider e Sports industry because it's a small percentage of people that become Pro players astray. It's great to have that goal at the age of six or eight like your kids but at the age of fifteen sixteen you might want to start thinking about okay is this going to be my long-term goal, you know, am I still I still grinding in plant or if I really made some some moves I will get parents do and what can Educators do to home? Prepare kids for jobs in The Wider world of Esports gaming which has just a much higher percentage of total jobs out there than there are popular streamers or Pro players. And that's a great question. May I change my fiber like simple answer to that but you know, as you mentioned like really not about not all about like being a professional gamer or professional streamer, right? So, I think we all have that moment where we reached a point that maybe you know, we're not going to know more competitive enough to be that level and professional being a professional in the gaming was same it's the same commitment and the same devotion as long a professional in a traditional sports that you want to be an NBA. It's going to take a lot of investment commitment also Talent so recognizing that you know, I mean gaining might have started as a as a very simple, you know step as you know as a personal entertainment, but if you try to reach a professional level in terms of player or streamer, there's that, you know, you're no longer playing for fun. You're you're playing a game. To win the game or playing for Creative good contents forward to viewer. So that's a completely different perspective as the person who used to engage the game as a personal entertainment so often I think as a parent if your kid is kind of slightly towards on that, you know professional a route in terms of player or streamer. I think it's probably better to like as early as possible to make sure realize that it's not only about you know, you having fun once you get into that crowd, it's more about winning and creating professional contents. So that's one but you know wage than being a professional player in streamer. As you said, there's a lot of lot of facets of you know, business professional can be involved in it. And and the good news is that this industry is very relatively early as a growing very quickly and what we found out is that the very in terms of the business ecosystem. We find a very a lot of similarities with traditional Sports exorcism and a lot of the reasons dog. Joker on the fact that you know gaming Esports has a sport business has been based upon the fact that it's a very fun to watch content. So if if the U as a parent feel more comfortable that you know, you'll your children, uh, be more exposed to a more, you know matured business scene. I would suggest maybe a sports team could be a good option and because I you know, pretty much the event organizing sponsorship teams broadcasting has a very very similar stakeholders a similar Dynamics, uh, as as as the sports scene, but it's a completely different crowd away. So you need to know that that's we're not speaking uh-uh in terms of the end-user and the consumer are completely different crowd. So we have to have a completely different amount this set about the end about about the market so or so that's traditional Sports also entertainment industry itself a lot of the content creating industry entertainment for drama or you know, or birth Documentary, what's a production site? I think that's also has a very very good similarity or a lot of the you know expertise and that space can be uh, you know, utilized make use of Indian Esports scene as well. So that could be something that could be handed from Esports scene in directly. So that's that's my suggestion. I would say definitely definitely it's yeah, it comes down to level of understanding and just a level of appreciation and also recognizing that it's a big industry. It's only growing and it's good for my kids to have knowledge about it right at a core level and be like, hey, okay, I understand fortnite. I understand why people like to play these games. I understand why I like to play these and then also if if all off my own piece of advice, I'd rather let you do it but a lot of games have different creative modes within them fortnite especially dead. Where it's like, okay, you're playing a lot of a lot of Battle Royale. You might be really frustrated. Well, what if we're going to channel that it so you can still play fortnite but expensive time on fortnite Creative start building some things we get those creative juices flowing and that could be really beneficial same thing with Minecraft and and Roblox where there's kids are really building a lot of things. I used to write for a fortnight website and some of the kids had gone into the code of the game to leak things. And these kids were like fourteen fifteen years old because they're old thread time to comb through lines and lines of coke. That's a really long it actually very beneficial. They're using programs their understanding coding to a to a level 2 to look through games Source data, and then they're actually curating a following people do follow them for like a different things. Like that's a genuine use of your time and you're getting legitimate valuable skills. And so there's a good comes down to a level of understanding about what games are and also the Dead There are some really good avenues for kids within these games, you know, there's really creative things. There's really good communication aspects again. Yeah, if you all your kids friends are playing fortnite. I don't want to be the parent who doesn't let you could do that cuz that's just scared to death to bring him helped out like every single time right don't you gotta recognize that but it also understand the game and and give some healthy alternatives get some healthy options, maybe even within the gate because these games are doing a good job of offering some creative Avenues built into the game directly. Yeah, that's a really good point and and uh, you know, is that those those keys kids like, you know hacking Dakota and all that nobody's asked him to do. So, right it's all voluntary and they're all self-motivated which is which which is really important, you know, it's not life. I mean, it's really the contents and the, you know, the dreams and all the experience that they really liked about it as a gamer and that really propels ER, you know further actions towards something more educational and I think off Understanding that as a parent or grandparents that there's actual educational side of it of this, uh within the game. I think the more they understand it. I think the more we're going to have more. You know, I like if it's a select society as a whole and you know, a lot of the times that a lot of our clients all the import of decision-makers are normally more older generation than we are so long, it's really up to them to understand more and then the more they understand it's probably going to have more support out of that being a financial support or that could be a you know, the in terms of societal acceptance. So I think they're long-term. I Think We're Alone that way it just said depending on the country. We have a different pace and there's different way of approaching it as cetera but I think you know, we're we're all in a good direction that the editors are going right now. I fix so it's valuable to understand this space What are the best ways to understand the space? If you have a very Base Line knowledge to get I imagine most listen to this podcast are pretty deep into Esports at this point, but if you know somebody who was boss. More about it. How about check out diversify Esports that sparrows book? You can tell he's an expert on what Esports is and where it's going and how to explain it to somebody who doesn't totally get it. So I'll give them a chance watch people check out the book. And also what else do you want that to be on the lookout for your personal socials or if you go to Kyoto University in Tokyo, I guess take take the E Sports business class. You know, it's Mitch. Yeah, definitely the book. So it's it's going to be out in two weeks. I'm very excited about it a lot of so it's very there's a lot of contents in it. So if you're interested we take a look another way. I'm being involved if you know a professionally if there's any need on say a sports Consulting side or any sort of, you know things that you like to talk just feel free to reach out. The best way is over on LinkedIn so you can just search me up and then just hit me up to a message there or to send me an email at that email address that I provided the book. So there's various ways of Saint Louis. I'm happy to you know, discuss any sort of topic. I guess know more about what's happening around the world. So yeah, absolutely. I will have his guest page underneath this podcast wherever you like to listen and you should see a little picture of barrel with if you click on that you can go to it and you'll see his LinkedIn. I think his email pops up there too. So you can get a contact him directly after listening to this episode took great having you on the show. I'm glad we could rehash the why people should understand Esports and how to explain Esports of friends and parents. He just went a lot better than the time. I rented in the mic for 20 minutes. So thank you for coming on this page. It was an absolute blast. Thank you so much for asking was a lot of fun and I told you it was my first time being on the podcast but this is phenomenal is great. Thank you so much. You did way better than most veterans doing that was great job. You did great.

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"This marketing over coffee with Christopher Penn and John. Good Morning. We'll marketing over coffee. I'm John Wall. I'm Christopher Ben and we are here February middle of quarter. I don't know it seems like there's quite the hangover from end of year. Things have been kind of quiet even on the news. Front to there wasn't a ton of stuff But you had when you're looking at supposedly a lot of angst on the weather maps about changes to Google search results. Yes search engine. Watch and search engine. Roundtable were saying that There was a pre substantial rankings. Jumping around few days ago that lasted for almost a week. Which is unusual for them. These days made no statement about algorithm changes but a lot of webmasters are noticing rankings. In placements jumping up and down a lot of changes and it has settled down since then so the evergreen reminder is if you haven't logged into your search console lately now it'd be a good time to do it and see if it particularly if there are certain pages that you see a massive amount of volume just vanish from might be time to go and figure out why you got wacked in the knees or those yeah and get back on base that. Dr Pye had shared an article talking about The zero box you know at the at the top were snippets shop there and that's actually now being considered one of the ten posts but the more interesting than that was over on the right side. Where sometimes you get video media clips? A lot of sites are blocking that trying to shut that down so those that get refused because they don't want those snippets up there but another group had come in saying. Yeah but the problem is. That's where the audio search results get pulled from that right media snippet so if you wack yourself over there you're gonNA lose your shot on audio and smart speaker and of course there's only one result on smart speaker. Either get to you. Don't you're dead. I don't know what do you think about that you know. There's been a lot of chatter this. We'd have seen about smart speakers and like we'll smart speaker ever come round as a marketing. Venue the challenge and the reason why marketers really don't like audience. Smart Speaker is exactly what you said. It's the one result you get one shot? If you're not number one year you literally are nothing. And so it's quite a challenge to get to that and the trick there is. We've been talking about this for. I don't know five years now is you've got to build your brand. You've got to build your brand and has got to be a memorable enough brand that silicon. Recall it when they're talking to you know they're smart speaker on saying. Hey Google tell me when trust insights is open right and Google's got to be able to recognize it but more importantly customers got and remember it and if you don't have that brand power than smart speaker yeah it's going to be no help to you. Yeah you'RE NOT GONNA GET ANYTHING. Done it in the same vein to purchasing via text message. Walmart is closing down their service that they had for buying via text. It was interesting. They took this whole model. That was completely as far away from the Walmart model you could get. Was You know? Urban City people texting to buy stuff and having it delivered straight to them and saying that it the peak it was losing fifteen thousand a year per member which is kind of that's kind of Bologna metric. You know saying that like the dividing the whole expenses the company by the existing customer base. Because that's what ramping up is all about but I was more interested just in the idea of buying via text. Do you think that can take off or is that kind of going too far down the shopping experience? All think about that I mean. What have we become accustomed to? We open that companies relevant happen by inside there right. You open up the Amazon Apple. Whatever and you buy in there and indeed for those things that aren't a lot of cases you open up what pay pal or van Mo or whatever the payment system of your choices and that's what you do it so it seems like a stretch to go the text message out to win. It's just as little effort for consumer to open up the Walmart APP on their phone and especially if they're all payment information to save verification process and things. I don't know why you'd go almost. It's not the same but almost strikes me as like by by fax. Yeah right right I can. I can see where you're coming from especially because you just lose everything. Now you're just sending text via the the text protocol and as opposed to when you're in the APP now there's still tracking your round and they can serve up stuff that suggestions based on previous orders and like you said the payments already locked in so. Yeah that's that's a great point. Why would you kind of waste time going on that route if you've got him locked into the APP and even better yet take that fifteen k? A year you're losing and gives every customer a thousand bucks to spend for free on the APP. You would in theory be better off. Yeah Oh totally you blow up the APP store. They're the the the other thing. Is that if you if you're looking for aren't guard ways. Walmart has a massive disadvantage. If you're looking for ways to get people to buy something guess what. Smart Speaker is a great way to do that. Except for one minor problem the largest smart Speaker Company also speed world's largest e-commerce company. Yeah I don't think we're going to see any walmart results coming up number one speech queries anytime soon. No no yeah. It'll be interesting to see how that that fight shakes out too because still at some point. You have to believe that they're like yeah. Anytime anybody to buy anything we go look at Amazon. I no matter what it was. They had Amazon. Losing some ground in the space. Actually both Amazon and Google losing ground because a lot of these third parties sonos and other speakers gain some ground during the quarter. And I don't know I find that a little bit interesting. That's kind of cool that these are better fidelity stuff you know. This is stuff that people really want the music or the speaker but then of course the the flow would that logic is just because somebody bought asano smart speaker. Maybe they're just buying a Sonos speaker and don't really care at all about the fact that it's smart so yeah in fact. I wouldn't even say you're you can't say directly that you're losing share just because there's more sports aren't speakers out there. It's all about how much they actually get used right exactly and who system they integrate with both Google and Amazon have ap is and stuff for a third party smart speakers to talk to them to be able to leverage. You know a the Alexis the googles of the world. Ibm has one Fritz chat assistance in a very distant third place unfortunately there so the question is for lights party manufacturers or as well WHO's system? You're going to go with. Who who do you? Who Do you want to be locked into? Yeah where do you want to place your bets and it was interesting over Valentine's Day the air pods pro. Where a number one later. I notice even sold out for a couple of days or on Amazon. Able to get them and at the same time. Echo buds drop down to eighty nine bucks at one point which that was almost like an impulse. Buy For me. I came very close just to grab him for the sake of it and then I looked yesterday and their backup at one thirty or wherever. They're they're at so the Valentine's Day sale is over in. Your shot is over that but yeah the idea of kind of smart ear. Buds IS PRETTY INTERESTING. But yeah not taking the plunge just yet on that. Yeah but it is interesting too late when you step back and look at where every place Amazon trying to cram luxa microwave ovens ear buds jewelry eyeglasses. They clearly know that. Whoever wins the smart assistant space is going to win the commerce space and so You know I like this. One reminder in my blogging notes thing to do a fun thing like inappropriate uses of smarter systems like you know putting specific devices that you really don't want a smart in a comedy episode of something down the road but when think about it where else can they put these devices. 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But the big thing for me is being able to get some of the social metrics data out of it which I can't get out of other tools on a per url basis. That's actually been really helpful. Because that can feed allow the machine learning models using and the the number one conclusion that is perennial year after year. Is that there is no mathematical relationship between social media activity and search an SEO activity so if you're trying to optimize for search and you think social media is going to do it for you. It's not it's as it has no relationship whatsoever so keep them separate in in your brain. Doing more in social media does not lead to better search results or vice versa. All right that sounds good. I've got a link to the striking about facebook of five hundred fifty million dollars settlement over facial recognition. This is something and somebody that earlier. This week was talking to me. Too about tick tock being such a repository of tagged faces and facial recognition. So this does seem to be the first time that the world has kind of catching on before there's been some kind of major egregious falter loss of data. But I don't know what are you thinking about on the facial recognition front? Is there stuff that you're watching or stuff that you say you need to do to defend yourself? Well here's the thing. A lot of the technology to do facial recognition is available. It's open source it's free we use it internally. I use for Spam box and stuff for social networks if I can get a profile photo from somebody social profile. I'll put it through a conversational neural network. That are is very simple as as Tried to determine whether a human faces present in the image. Not because the people that I don't want to interact with on linked in or on twitter and stuff like that for the most part especially when trying to influence or identification. I don't want to interact with anybody. Who's profile photos logo right? You know exactly what you're GONNA get out of an account like that so you're looking for human faces slightly more reliable indicator and you know the library. It's free it's open source. It was trained really well and you can fine tune if you want and then you roll it out so. Genie is out of the bottle. It's not something you can. You can't regulate the existence. The technology can only regulate the application of it and so the bigger question is this Katie. And I were talking about on the in ear insights podcast earlier this week. You can't apply ethics to technologies right. You have to apply ethics at a at a company in corporate level of your executives are unethical immoral people. Guess what you're gonNA use technologies ethical ways right. There's really no you can't make the use of a tool ethical or unethical. You can only make the people who are using the tools behave in an ethical or unethical ways and certainly we've seen plenty of examples facebook leading the charge of companies that just have no ethical compass. Yeah right the the hammer and the wrench have no ethics. It's all about the hands thing. Grab them in. What exact damage they do. Yeah I don't know we'll continue to watch that but it just seems to be an endless string of disappointment You know doing interesting stuff trying to get at least groups to pick up but yeah no. It's not going in the direction it should be going. I had a thing come in. Wbz engine we use WBZ engine for wordpress hosting a lot of people. Do they have local connect set up so that as developer. You can have a full local install to be able to do a bunch of testing and break stuff. They've always had staging so you can do that. But now having it local so that you don't have to worry about cashing staging and things like that is kind of cool so I was excited to see that come through. That's kind of a neat feature to to throw out there and also following up on Kwara. It's just funny. We were talking about last time. We were on and sure enough. You know three hours after we finish the show. They put out a note on some new features. They've got as far as advanced match and conversion windows so more stuff going on in core front continuing to gain more ground as it goes now and the event front is I is gone. You had the speaking group talking about. The Corona virus has been kind of closing up some shows. Things have been kind of rotten on the speaker front. Yes the it's really I mean it's unfortunate but a lot of events are looking at cancellations of speakers of the events themselves. The biggest one of course Mobile World Congress was a major major major show hundred thousand attendees. We're seeing facebook just cancelled its global marketing summit. Just GonNa take place in in early March. Five thousand person attended event the RSA Conference had IBM pull out there. Like Yep. We're we're going to show up there. Black Hat. Asia cancelled Cisco LIVE MELBOURNE CANCELLED. And some folks are saying in speaking groups like yeah. They've had you know. Events cancelling on them saying we can't you know just we're just not doing the event stuff in the takeaways there. If you're on the events side please make sure you have event insurance so that if you have to cancel your insurance policy can pick it up and if you are a speaker or a vendor on the on the that side there's money involved to make sure that your contracts are ironclad that you have refund policies in place with I would say this point Do Ninety Sixty thirty day window if you cancel more than ninety days out you know you get a refund on the sixty days out. Fifty percent of the feedback And if it's you know thirty days less you get nothing back and hold that in your contracts so that if an event has to cancel the you're not left Loyd back. Yeah exactly not having the shortest win because it's not a big deal. If somebody usually three months notice you can at least work around that but to be bailing stuff last minute getting burned on travel to exactly that last month exactly making sure that travel is is fully reimbursed regardless of the cancellation books. Travel it you you get paid for it The other thing that has come up a lot and I think is worth pointing out for. Everybody is according to Bloomberg News and a at a CNBC. There are substantial economic dragged from this event. They're already talking about Medicine shortages around the planet because the WHO a province where hunters look as a massive pharmaceutical manufacturing area that feeds like eighty percent of India's generic manufacturing which then feeds the rest of the planet. And so if you're not planning for an economic slowdown if you've got a backup plan if you were in the event space and you don't have backup plans for your speaker and you don't have multiple lines of income you have a very short window of time to activate your backup plans and make sure that you've got multiple types of income that you've pivoted virtual events and virtual things as much as possible so that wildest thing works its way out of planetary system. You're not wait for the phone ring. Yeah that's true time and places everything especially in marketing but in today's age a million messages per minute and not enough hours in a day. How do you really catch people's attention? 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And so it seems like they're loosening some of the restrictions and the factory you know they're hoping we'll get back up to speed within the next thirty days or so so at least the complete zero percent but yeah that's a great point you make about manufacturing a whole taking a massive hit and kind of a month and a half lost from. This could have all kinds of ripple over the rest of the globe. Yeah I mean we've spent what the last thirty years doing stuff like supply chain optimization and just in time manufacturing as as the last week it rolls off the line the supply truck rolls up and puts more stuff in the bin which is great as long as supply gene's working and I think a lot of folks are going to have to spend some time in their contingency planning thinking as you have more disruptions to the system whether it's a virus or whether it is you know earthquakes plagues of locusts like literally in Biblical levels of Disasters Right now. We've got heat. Waves earthquakes wildfires the a massive swarming locusts covering seven nations across Africa and Southeast Asia. Okay I think. It's probably time to dust off the older contingency plans. It said like a half thirty day supply on hand you more money. Yes it costs you space. Yes but you gotTa have that buffer. Now Yeah Yeah you you can't You can't count as well and I you know. Unfortunately it's like the worst news always bubbles up to the top because you can't be sourced from multiple places too that's the other thing and it perhaps over the long run this will start to change things of maybe everything that gets manufactured on the planet shouldn't come out of. China could get one or two more other places doing some manufacturing. Yeah that might not be a bad idea. But we do that digitally right. We have load balancing servers all of the planet. And why we I obviously recognize when you're talking about physical goods. Real world is a lot more expensive to balance. But for sure you WANNA make sure that you've got some coverage and that is actually a really important point on the software side. Make sure you know where your vendors are located. Do you talk about talk. You know being based in China Nowhere. You're vendors located and no if it the next nearest competitor As as a vendor his located in the same area because if they're geographically dispersed have a plan B for the tools. You need the most. Yeah exactly have a contingency plans ready to go now. That's definitely critical in this day and age. And Yeah he said you know we do virtual work everywhere we've got you know plays doing knowledge-based work all over the planet. So maybe spreading things around would be a little bit smarter way to go and interesting article. Google Ending Free. Wi Fi Indian rail stations. I Guess Free Wifi. Google is doing a lot of projects offering free access at the train. Stations which were were major hubs but as I read deeper into it. It wasn't that they've just pulled the plug. It's actually the competition has come round. And even one of the major providers. They're offering a few months free right out of the gate so that it's not the shortage wasn't there. There's actually enough commercial support for WI FI in India to support itself and prices have come down enough that Google doesn't feel like they have to support the whole load now in spread around a little bit but yeah. I don't know it's interesting. I you know watching. The rest of the world get progressively better Internet service The course of personal pain point for myself but That's just something to keep an eye on as we continue to watch other markets expanding and the rest of the world can get full bore into topnotch Data availability yeah. We actually just cut the cord on TV Tyler. Like Yep just moving over to pure pure fiber only yeah. Yeah you'd said. You'd made the the final chord there so all the content you want you can get via the wire. There's no point in the local service at all. Exactly or the twenty five percent of the bill being random fees like those my bill for. Oh God what is it here? It is the regional sports network for somebody who watches zero regional sports zero interest paying this fee to subsidize somebody else's Thing now I'm sure they would say the same thing about the stuff I watch. But there's no fee for it on my bill for the stuff I want. Yeah yeah that's long. Been a point of contention of does random fees. I mean if you call up and actually ask about you know where to those. Come from or weather's for it's just a big question mark. Nobody knows you know what? That's all about our weather sports view. That's a new one for me that I haven't seen real sports feed. That one's a one's a real doozy. I'm sorry that's I'm sure there's some sports association that's demanding. Their cut or the federal government needs a sports tax. Yeah I'm not buying that one. No not at all so yeah. We've got the over. The air antenna already had that for a couple of years now and we're going to look you know maybe Youtube TV to see how that goes but we'll watch much TV to begin with. There's no time. Yeah Yeah we'll just. It seems like the on demand over the top stuff. Everybody that's where everybody's going and getting what they want to get. So that's that's the way we as we go over to events so we've got to mention big news. We've got may eleventh. We're going to be in Brooklyn at Mad Con. Madison's actually running the twelfth thirteenth. We're going to be doing a bootcamp the day before and Chris will be doing a bunch of VIP sessions. We've got two slots open in the morning where you can. You'll send us your access the week before more but you can actually have an on hands working our going over everything you've got going on with Google analytics and talk about attribution or any other questions you've got and then the afternoon session. We're doing a bunch of presentations. I'm going to be out there. Katie will probably be down to. You can get in on that session. We've got ten seats available for that and I've got for marketing over coffee fans Half off right now. So if you're interested if you can get down to Brooklyn on May Eleventh Fermat kind of the the other benefit that is if you do the precession you'll get a free ticket to the rest of Matt Conn for the Twelfth and thirteenth you can go to the rest of that show with a free badge from doing the boot camp so yeah really excited about getting that going. Be More about that in the next couple of weeks. And as a matter of fact if you subscribe to the market over coffee newsletter powered by that digital. We'll put the first push for it over there and you can check that out to be good time a lot of fun all right. How what else have you got on the docket? You just did. The Gore pulse just dropped their show last week so that your content is all out there. Anything else on your radar next next up Social Media Marketing World so I just ordered myself a new P. One hundred respirator for the plane and got the the white cotton gloves for touching services and such. So it's GonNa be a comfort to look a lot like a bane convention from Batman. Yeah Yeah that's it you've got your full mask and Sudan so that'll be an interesting time. We'll have you have to report back from the field and take some pictures and see what it looks like and the full travel front. The it's going to be it's going to be something Tom Webster was saying on the most recently came back from L. A. Pretty much everybody on the plane was wearing a mask like you know without exception getting really well. Yep We've done our CDC segment. Today with that. I think that's going to do it for this week so until next week. Enjoy the coffee. Enjoy the coffee with a mask. You've been listening to marketing over coffee. Christopher Penn looks at Christopher SPN DOT com read more. 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