17 Burst results for "Spencer Ackerman"

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on Fever Dreams

Fever Dreams

03:10 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on Fever Dreams

"That all i was able to do it fillets so there's no reason others should have been able to do it. But the problem was that they believed having seen trump establish it so much that he had said he was an opponent of the war on terror and was indeed a factional opponent of many of the important figures behind the war on terror and the constituencies within the military intelligence services for the war on terror the that substituted and of course when he's not escalating the war as he's trying to withdraw ground forces even at times deceitfully as you did in syrian around christmas two thousand eighteen promised that the war is in fact already over and they were coming home until he acquiesces and doesn't do any of that and so trump ultimately created a durable enough narrative amongst people who you know when there is a republican in office at least see as their job to puncture the narratives of that republican in the white hats and having seen trump in such a appropriate way ugly a negative fashion and having treated the war on terror as not pleasant. Certainly not a pretty thing. Certainly but ultimately part of what it is to take what it is to use american power responsibly however regretfully and they were never able to reconcile those two things and the aphorism has it when the facts don't fit the narrative too bad for the facts that tell i think for this narrative really comes when in twenty eighteen gina hassle bowl a strata torturer at the cia. And before anyone gets on me. I don't consider someone who ran a black site. Wild torture was happening there to be any less of a torturer than the person who pours the water on the on the guy on the waterboard. Cia public relations office would like to reemphasize that. She does love johnny cash. Exactly i was fighting with the cia on this like an actual torture becomes cia director and basically the hashtag resistance the elements of that come from the security services call a giant timeout in their campaign against trump and applaud him and endorsed hassle. Because she's one of them and she represents you the valiant people with the cia and so on and so forth Who mr trump is being so mean to and that was not really treated as the enormous tension within the anti-trump coalition let alone tracing the alignments there between trump security state and the hashtag resistance in like once. I had my idea for the book. I instantly knew like how. I had my kind of last two chapters suspense right you know. I think there's there's what we've come to think of. As sort of reign of terror moments where something appears in the news that reminds us in the way that you posited the book that were on terror brought us the trump era and everything. That's come after it. I mean i think of Obviously trump's embrace of eddie gallagher all the veterans and members the military at january..

cia gina hassle Cia public relations office mr trump johnny cash eddie gallagher
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on Fever Dreams

Fever Dreams

04:45 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on Fever Dreams

"But this week's interview we're incredibly excited to welcome our dear friend. Spencer ackerman a daily beast contributing editor an award. Winning national security and foreign policy reporter and author of the musk's reads subject newsletter forever. Wars spencer is out now with the new book. Courtesy of penguin random house titled reign of terror how nine eleven era e stabilized america and produced trump. It is a maddening and richly reported. Ride through the last two decades of both republican and democratic complicity in shaping our current domestic political arrangements while also waging horror and bloodbaths brought but the most impressive thing about spencer is that he also served as a consultant on armando. You knew keys. Two thousand nine satire in the which is the single best movie ever made about the iraq invasion and war and is essential viewing for devotees of the fever dreams lifestyle. You can follow spencer at attack human on twitter dot com and you can stay up to date on his latest reporting and essays on sub stack at forever. Wars goes without saying that if you haven't bought his new book reign of terror yet. Please put this podcast on pause and go out and buy it now spencer. Welcome to fever dreams. How's the book tour going in the era of in nineteen. Thank you so much swim. That was incredibly sweeter view. It's great to be back with you and will. It's like being back in the news room only with no aggravation because i don't have any responsibility anymore as for the book door. The actual tour is entirely delayed because of delta. It's a weird thing that now i can talk about. But if you don't like my book you might still like the historian and now new york times bestselling author mike. Dunkin who's excellent podcasts. The history of rome and revolutions are some of the best times on the internet. You'll have with history. He's book hero of two worlds a revival of the marquis lafayette for the twenty first century. Mike and i are going to be doing tour together. We had planned is going to be a weird thing so it should be fun because we don't we're to middle aged dads who've been stuck inside for so long. Mike basically wrote a punk rock opera about the french revolution..

spencer Spencer ackerman armando america iraq fever twitter marquis lafayette Dunkin new york times rome mike Mike
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

05:06 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"Because of the manifestations of certain i mean look the bio weapons lab was that really real or was that the cia. Like destiny of this. I'll i'll take him. Despite the lessons of history at their word you described it as a crude bioethics weapons okay but like okay leaving aside the questions of deliverability of such a thing to united states from seven thousand miles away in that circumstance. Sure arrest the guy grab him. Do what is necessary to bring him to trial and don't transform and keep the united states transformed onto a perpetual war footing. I don't accept that. The existence of real security threats is a justification for the disfigurement of american institutions that protects actual people's freedom. What we mean by protecting national security is very often protecting a hegemonic prerogatives rather than the safety of actual people and the the example of not taking the strike on abu musab czar collie demonstrates how fungible the commitments to protecting people are when they come against commitments to that hegemony. And you might want to say that. I'm somehow contradicting myself. By you know being willing to entertain the prospect of arresting. Abu subs are cowan. Putting him on trial and finding a way to resolve the circumstances that threaten the united states through mechanisms other than constructing the architecture of this war but once again. I have to come back to. We did it your way. How well did it turn out. I don't mean you. Specifically jack. I mean not my way. I don't mean you specific with. I do mean the way they played out has a tremendous amount of elite purchase. It has a tremendous amount of elite justification and will continue to and i think if we wanna talk about the burdens of continued prospective threats. That come out of the war on terror. Then it is those elites who have to answer this question. It is those elites who should be made to answer for why there is such persist terrorism despite twenty years of your war on terror. In what might that finally tell us about the value of the war on terror and its relationship to the generation of those threats and its relationship to the degradation of american democracy and its relationship to the lack of safety felt at home by vulnerable communities particularly those who are besieged by the sort of terror that the war on terror is uninterested. We are not looking at things. Like the el paso murders as terrorism. We are not looking at the tree of life. Synagogue shooting as terror. The mother emmanuel murders white tab. It's the oldest most violent and Most enduring terror in american history. And there's no war on terror against that that is left out of the war on terror. Now i certainly don't believe there ought to be a war on terror against that. Believe that instead. These are symptoms of a sick political culture. that can only be confronted politically. And that right now. What we are. Seeing particularly after january six is that we are securitizing a response to january six instead of watching a broad political challenge to discredit and keep from power the architects of january six those who justify january six and so on and so forth the more that the response takes the form of reorienting aspects and tools of the war on terror. The easier it will be the next time. There's a trump like figure in power to have those people say all right if that's how you want it. Then summer of twenty twenty is just the beginning fellas get ready for what this looks like when we use these tools against you. I certainly don't believe to go back to one of the first points you made absolutely in this conversation that such a thing goes away inside an atmosphere of an abolition of the war on terror. I believe that is rooted very deeply in american history. And that is what has to be confronted. The war on terror can only be an engine of those noxious forces. It isn't an alternative to it. Spencer thanks for a great interview. And congratulations on your book. Fair podcast is produced in cooperation with the brookings institution. The music is by so few are audio engineering. This episode is handling. This episode was edited by gen patio. Please rate review wherever you get your podcasts. And there's always thank you for listening.

abu musab czar collie united states cia cowan Abu jack el paso emmanuel Spencer brookings institution
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

05:46 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"The work of a really active engaged diplomat. I have my criticisms about him. But zalmay calls aunt ultimately recognizing that the taliban fact all else has failed. The taliban will remain a fact in afghanistan. And unless there is some deal. We've the taliban four withdrawal or the united states is just deciding that it will control afghanistan indefinitely. There is no choice but to negotiate an end to the war. And i i kind of just. Don't find this as puzzling as you seem to. So then it's not valorous. He had to do it but nevertheless he did. All of the previous presidents before trump. Don't obama not just tries almost comically fails by negotiating with an impostor it is still the case that trump decided to take the step of open negotiation with the taliban that the trumps of that era during the obama administration certainly trumped himself would have immediately lambasted obama for doing what have lambasted bush for doing. We're seeing the proof of that in that trump right now is calling. The taliban victoria's biden having surrendered to it ultimately trump Was the lesson that the war's themselves are no more than just political cudgels to win political power back at home trump. Like everyone said during you know the start of his administration trump does the quiet part loud. Trump is the subtext of the war on terror. And that's why the text is so fungible. Only as long as the subtext that civilizational violence that retribution under guys of patriotic righteousness as long as that remains the rest of it. You can do with it as you like scale the wars upscale the wars down. Say you're there to take the oil try and take the oil. That stuff is all things that can be used as necessary for the broader purpose of accruing our at the expense of vulnerable people. Okay so let's turn to obama. You know you describe how he was a pretty profound anti war candidate. He gave a speech that you discuss early in his presidency where he said that perpetual war would prove self-defeating alter our country and troubling ways. You respond to that by saying a great tragedy of the obama presidency is that this insight did not guide his actions and the question is why. Why did obama not follow through on what i believe. We're gonna deeply-held commitments. But you might think in parts of the book you question. That obama isn't the omnibus antiwar. Figure that i think people both hoped he was or fear he was and he had that on the campaign trail as you note. I mean he said he was against iraq but he he did quietly say we're going to keep doing stuff in afghanistan and so i just wanted to make that point. I covered all this time and tried to write that At the time that that this was a very nuanced position which i think is probably a deeper commitment of obama's than any anti war position obama loved subtlety. He loves complexity and he loves substituting. I believe moral rigor with bureaucratic rigor and we see that throughout his presidency when he gives his famous As a state senator two thousand two speech about dumb wars the only dumb or he identifies is the iraq war and he's argument throughout two thousand eight and also was kind of the arguments that after two thousand four. The democratic party sort of wished it had in wish it had as a as an option to it. Which is that the problem with the iraq. War is that it is a distraction from the real war on terror which has to be fought and governs accordingly. But as ben rhodes put it in you quote. Ben rhodes governed accordingly because he fathered there was a real threat there. Do you think that's wrong. Well that isn't actually what ben sets well at one point ben does say that but another point in the book when i asked him why he didn't why obama didn't end the war after killing osama bin laden i think there he points to the reeler reason there which is that like. Let's say that obama says the war on terror is over and starts dismantling the apparatus. There's another terrorist attack in the world ends and what he's trying to express. There is something that i believe is very real and was it was a real constraint on obama which is that a. there's always going to be more terror. Be america's extremely violent exploitative and repressive actions in the muslim world hyphen sure there will be more terror and then and finally the fact that there will be the prospect of more terror. Leads to what we've seen throughout the nine eleven era which is political fear. That is what ben. Is that the fear that still governed. Obama prevented him from exercising. Leadership prevented him from doing what at various points in obama's speeches in his rhetoric she recognizes is the right thing to do. This is what happens. When obama gives a speech at the national defense university in may of two thousand thirteen where he says that an indefinite war will alter our country in profound ways and then just sort of lets that hang out there and doesn't develop it. Obama had an opportunity.

taliban obama zalmay afghanistan obama administration Ben rhodes iraq trump biden Trump united states bush ben democratic party osama bin laden national defense university
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

08:35 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"Even you say in your book that the most valorous active is disgraceful. Presidency was the accord with the taliban to this withdrawal and peace process. So isn't a complicated figure on this front. Everything that you say is a fact. But i disagree in pretty much every respective of your interpretation of it when you say that. His anti war rhetoric found a place within the republican party. It absolutely did. The trouble is look at that. Rhetoric is now that rhetoric now is talking about a surrender tip a taliban and the civilizational danger to america of leading an afghan refugees both those who actively aided the american war effort and western interests there in those who didn't so that i think speaks more to the enduring legacy of trump as someone who is willing to use anti war rhetoric when it suited his quest for power. It's also true that the national security bureaucracy lines up against trump except for all the cases. Wait it doesn't as we the department of homeland security and it's aggressive prosecution of interior immigration enforcement locking people up in quitting them in inhuman conditions. And also you know so. Many of the so-called lions of the war on terror is. I often call them in the book. The adults in the from hr mcmaster to jim madison particular. These were people who were very willing to use trump as a vehicle and acquiesce to those aspects of policies that that they found tolerable. Madison particular stood over trump shoulder and applauded at the pentagon when he signed the most one band. Someone who i think represented for a lot of respectable upper-middle-class liberals and democrats in never trump republicans as is opposing. Bulwark against trump. And it's very selective when they in fact do that. The national security bureaucracy acquiesces trump over quite a lot or fines. There are more areas of commonality than they are areas of departure over things. Like as you can see from the reports that the odeon. I publishes how expansive surveillance continues on a glide path throughout the trump era. As you say that kept america out of new wars. He said okay. Sorry he says he he keeps out of new wars but he not only escalates the wars that he inherits in afghanistan especially before he realizes that. There's no other option but to sue for peace with the taliban but remember this person also sent fourteen thousand troops around the middle east particularly the gulf states to keep on a kind of accelerated wore posture with iran and then assassinated qassem soleimani risking really very badly risking a calamitous a new war with iran and it was really more iranian restraint than anything the united states did. And then finally you know. There is an unfortunate tendency in elite national security circles to view acts like bombing a country as an alternative to war rather than on a continuum with war and when trump ultimately attacks Syria without any sort of congressional authorization but instead to applause from you know not just the famous example of them brian. What's his name on. Msnbc who says when the bombs drop you know this is the day trump becomes president. You you really see the ways in which rain. Trump's rhetoric contradicts trump's reality. The common perception is to go with the rhetoric and view that is the important thing rather than the actions that trump takes. So i acknowledge all that and i said at the top. He wasn't a dove he in some senses. Ramped up the war but there is a puzzle. I mean we need to explain why he committed this valorous act of most valorous activists disgraceful presidency. Who knows how engage. Trump was on any of this stuff because he was kind of a it was kind of a random walk through his presidency. But we know it sometimes. He did class with his military and trying to wind things down on some dimensions. Not all i agree. And they had been troop drawdowns and their work. Was this valorous. Act as you describe it. So what accounts for two things account for it. One trump like a very good politician and like a politician who is unburdened by trying to The general consensus in favor of the war on terror both parties that there is no popular demand for the wars themselves. There is lots of very cultivated popular demand particularly on the right for extreme reactions violent reactions repressive reactions to non white people and their perceived allies trump recognizes that that's the order to mine inside the war on terror rather than as a lot of trump's elite enemies focus on the kind of carbonized husk of these failed wards and the second element of that is trump recognizes debt. A threat to his power comes from within the security agencies that are at least nominally. Independent of the presidency and seeks instead to suborn them and this he accomplishes through a series of purges. This year accomplishes through intensification of politicized pressure on them. The arrival of apparatchiks whether it's sessions in his crew Whether it's bar and his crew whether it's real clowns inside a liberty crossing like rick grenell and john ratcliffe trump ultimately uses the rhetoric of a deep state which is not really something that i think we. We have in america in the way that exists in turkey pakistan egypt and so forth but one of the reasons that the united states doesn't have that and has something else that i call the security state a kind of federated collection of security tribes with their own interests of associated with elites in both parties in essentially the major constituency. I'm in this case for the war on terror but the way a deep state manifests in can manifest and can incubate is through the erosion of the rule of law that we have certainly seen accelerate throughout the nine eleven era and on personal allegiance to a political figure. In this case trump wasn't fighting a deep state trump was constructing one and we ought to really grapple with the implications of all of that. Just last point on this and i don't mean to present too much but it seems curiosity. That trump did something this you know. He was on a path to pulling us out of afghanistan. That obama couldn't pull off. And i'm not defending or trying to glorify trump just trying to understand. It seems to be the his case in his attitude towards the endless were either by many of your criticisms about how he ramp things up and deepen the problems but on other dimensions. Paradoxically you know. He did set us on the path to what's going on now in afghanistan and we'll get there in a second It just seems it just seems that we don't have a complete theory of how that happened. I mean i think my book offers one you just may not find it compelling. I tell one more time. The theory once more is that trump is a lagging indicator of the war on terror. He's a lagging indicator of the war on terror as it fails and accordingly you will manage aspects of the war on terror in increasingly violent But not necessarily coherent ways because he recognizes the overseas. Wars are the expendable thing about that. So what does trump do before he sues for peace with the taliban he escalates the afghanistan war functionally doubles the troop presence in afghanistan in two thousand seventeen in a kind of amazing speech where as he announces it. He kind of recognizes At several points in the speech that like it may not in fact yield anything and in particular it won't necessarily because it didn't.

taliban jim madison united states qassem soleimani Trump iran department of homeland securit republican party afghanistan gulf states pentagon rick grenell john ratcliffe Madison Msnbc Syria middle east trump brian egypt
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Podcast

05:46 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast

"In the history of both terrorism broadly and in the history of jihadist terrorism. More specifically nine eleven is an outlier. Nine eleven is the thing that kind of gets accomplished once and then is extremely hard to regenerate. Look at you know. You mentioned omar for of end december. Two thousand nine bombing. Let's say that succeeded. Three hundred people would be dead. That is still as disgusting an atrocity as that was something that tells us something about the extant state of al qaeda's both operations and capability in two thousand nine. And if you want to attribute some of that to the war on terror itself go ahead. i'll bake that. There's no islamic state in two thousand nine. There's no al qaeda in iraq before the invasion of iraq there is no ability for such thing to generate absent. What america does i'm in an and this is a law fair podcast august thirty first two thousand twenty one jack. Goldsmith sat down with national security reporter spencer ackerman. He's the author of the new book reign of terror of nine eleven era de stabilized america and produce trump the to discuss the book and the consequences of twenty years of the war on terror with the recent developments in afghanistan. The conversation touches on the complicated history of the united states and middle east conflict that has now spanned four presidencies akron raises among other things. That there's a direct line between america's response to nine eleven and the rise of political figures like donald trump. It's the law fair podcast. August thirty first reign of terror. What spencer ackerman spencer. A central claim in your book is that the american response to nine eleven brought us donald trump and the trump presidency. Explain how that works. So i it works on a couple of different levels. Some of that is political. Some of that is institutional So let's take the political one. I the war on terror doesn't invent anything. What it is is a mechanism adore. If you will opened to the most noxious nativist racist environment aspects of american history and it gives them justification to reassert power during a time of national emergency and a broad political atmosphere broad in the sense of being broadly shared amongst elites not just in both parties but Within journalism weeden security stay amongst intellectuals and so on that righteous patriotic vengeance is the appropriate response to nine eleven. And once that happens as you can see throughout history not only american history but certainly american history empowered native ism does not stay within prescribed boundaries. American muslims found themselves very quickly within a crucible. In the united states immigrants found themselves very quickly within a crucible in the united states a recently had occasion to look back through some accounts taken by muslim community leaders in a neighborhood near where i live in brooklyn known as little pakistan in which i saw and reflected upon children thirteen fourteen fifteen telling some of their community leaders about the ways in which they were dehumanized the ways in which they were threatened that they were called soma that white classmates talked about telling immigration authorities on them Telling them that they were responsible for nine. Eleven there was a broad intellectual. I would say probably more journalistic declaration of national unity after nine eleven that entirely left such people out precisely so that it could be legitimate to target them. Scapegoat them to take away their freedom to deport them to keep them under a general atmosphere of suspicion. And we go back and you see some of the architects of this. You see very familiar figures that would go on to prominence. In the trump administration one of the architects of the immigration crackdowns that were functional tools for the justice department to shall we say invite muslims in america to prove their loyalty and earn a path to citizenship earn by informing on their neighbors that operated under the broad. And i think it's really playing to see racist presumption that american muslim communities were incubating further acts of terrorism. That was a policy. A series of policies the roundups in particular extended detentions in places like the metropolitan correction center in brooklyn sunset. park By john ashcroft the attorney general at the times immigration advisor crisco back. Who would go on to be. A prominent member of donald trump's short lived commission on voter suppression advertising itself as a commission investigating voter fraud. I'm there are many such examples of this. Many of the architects in custodians of the war on terror ended up serving in the trump administration. John kelly is a particular example to justify the war on terror. You jeff sessions is a great example. Many of the.

america al qaeda donald trump spencer ackerman spencer iraq spencer ackerman omar Goldsmith akron afghanistan middle east brooklyn national unity pakistan metropolitan correction center justice department commission on voter suppressio john ashcroft the times John kelly
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes

Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes

04:04 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes

"But also The political roles that occur after nine eleven are of left on a still dressed feeder set from the cold war and various both democratic republican and security state actors kind of dress themselves in the in in that clothing particularly in on one level the rhetoric of a existential struggle occurring all throughout the world. That is as One acting cia director would eventually make the title of his memoir. The great war of all of our time. Tom know it's also easy to forget. But very conspicuous when you go back to reading the elite journalism of that time. How thrilling the war on terror was for certain intellectuals and certain reporters for certain intellectuals in certain journalists and certainly certain editors the war on terror was a grand mission that ennoble the united states that the united states was still capable of great things. This did you see boogie nights. Yes you know that scene where dirk bigler is coked up. And he's crying in the mirror because he's trying to get erect. Yes yeah that's the culture after after nine eleven for a whole lot of intellectuals that they're getting off on how powerful the united states can be because they know how powerful v- united states was in they don't recognize how powerful which to say how determinative of so many millions of people's lives the united states remains in that moment and all they want. Is that chance once again to tell the world the way it's going to operate from now on you had respected new york. Times columnists go on television shows to justify the necessity of an unprovoked war of aggression by saying the swaps of the middle. East needed to be drained. And those who are obviously. I don't buy this analysis. It'll this description of problem at where he goes with it. But those presumed to be enemies of mid journey who inhabit those swanson benefit from those swamps. Need to and i quote suck on this and that's just an incredibly pathological response totally To trauma that occurs at a time when mainstream intellectuals respected political figures are very casually diagnosing.

united states dirk bigler cia Tom new york swanson
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

08:05 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"We should not see them. As deviations and went the war on terror entrenches itself that will also be the culture of the war on terror. This righteous justified violence committed by an aggrieved an innocent america. That has the right to set the terms for the rest of the world. The war on terror is the result from an ideological perspective which is also downstream of material interests that propel the war on terror of The concept of the american exceptionalism which at its heart means that america sets the terms for the world and those terms do not necessarily bind america. America acts america is not acted upon that is the war on terror that manifest itself throughout the war on terror not only a by conservatives but by liberals is a major theme in my book we started out in chapter three which is called liberal complicity war on terror and develop it all through to the present day. As long as this is allowed to persist. This will have the same results. If biden doesn't break these tools the next president will reach for them in use them as tools work. So how does this end. I mean you know like if if if seeing the failure in afghanistan right abject failure of of by any by anybody's terms you know short of maybe lockheed martin's this was a failure. we didn't rebuild afghanistan. We didn't you know. Even if the most sort of vengeful a of people would have to say like this. This past eighteen nineteen years of this have been an abject failure. Yeah we didn't rebuild afghanistan. We rebuilt crystal city. We've been rebuilt maclay. Ray took six trillion dollars of public money and redistributed to the defense industry. And so how does this and is it does it. Is it bit by bit where people say like okay. Now we go for that math of the two thousand one. Now we go. and you know. Have a commission to reinvigorate fiso in some fashion is it. We break up a department homeland security. Does it when you contemplate how it might end. Maybe maybe that's a subsidiary questions like does ascend What does it look like. Nothing ends unless organiz enforce their political leaders to make it ends. There are many smart people with many programmatic solutions. For this happens. At the end of the month. I'll be on a panel with many of them. These are people who have fought the war on terror that is to say they didn't ways the war on terror. They fought against the war on terror from the start using the techniques of The rule of law They have and will have many important programmatic solutions. All i can really tell you as a reporter is that unless The political structure and the security structure feels the pressure of the public in an area that you know. The united states is not a particularly democratic country one of the areas in which it is least democratic is foreign policy and national security Unless elected political figures are made to feel the outrage of the public in made to feel like their careers ept unless they embraced the fulsome destruction in an expansive definition of the war on terror the repeal without replacement of these authorities whether it's the two thousand one. Aom ask whether it's a warrantless surveillance whether it's the patriot. Act whether it's the department full security whether it's ice whether it's You know on and on Then it will continue but what we see from the dedicated activist work of those who have brought the two thousand and two eight year. Mass to the point of repeal is that it's possible we are betraying not only a whatever future generations we have left and i'm someone with two children By subscribing to a fatalism about this but we will be breaking solidarity with all of the people not just at home but around the world who killed by the war on terror. we simply say this is permanent. This is forever. it doesn't have to be forever but we have to make it not be forever you. What do we need inciting events. I mean are there. Are there communities. It is sort of you know genuinely trans ideological on some level Or maybe it is a trend you know or an absence of ideology that allows it to sustain You know it was. It was the license. That obama had was very dispiriting And you would think that there would be more of a lesson of like. You don't know who could come. After barack obama could be donald trump. I mean for all people. And as as that was. I mean where wh- what becomes the inciting event for that or is it just simply we've got to I is it. Just you grinded out. You just saw people run after a c. Seventeen try and grab a hold of it and fall to their deaths. Could there what other i don't. I don't know how to answer your question besides that. Yeah i mean the that is that that is what what concerns me. But i do appreciate the the idea you know. Having two kids myself that We owe it to them and to the future victims of of the war on terror to fight against it spencer ackerman. The book is for a reign of terror. How nine eleven era disdain destabilized america and produce trump the sub stack is forever wars Which i encourage everybody to go sign up for. We will put links to both at majority dot. Fm thank you so much for your time today. Really appreciate it. Thank you sam. Thank you ever. Thanks spencer all right folks gonna take a quick break and we'll come back wrap things up ban well can't encourage people enough To check out that book. I think the theme is.

america afghanistan maclay biden martin Ray Aom barack obama donald trump spencer ackerman spencer sam
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

01:52 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"Journalist proprietorial of the forever war sub stack spencer ackerman on his new book reign of terror. How the nine. Eleven era destabilized america and produced trump also on the program. Today taliban claim there will be no reprisals us military takes over half of the caboodle airport. Meanwhile congressional democrats fall over themselves to investigate the afghan withdrawal uk announces it will take twenty thousand afghan refugees over the course of five years. Meanwhile alabama has negative. Icu beds free. Negative icu. Beds free in. Alabama and the republican texas governor habit three times vaccinated getting monoclonal treatment for breakthrough cova still supporting his ban of mask mandates in texas schools to protect unvaccinated children. Haiti earthquake toll tops. Two thousand people now. Tsa in this country extends the airline mask requirement until january of twenty twenty. Two and nancy pelosi plans a test. Vote on monday to challenge the corporate democrats obstructing the infrastructure. Bill all this and more on today's majority reports. Welcome.

spencer ackerman taliban us Haiti earthquake toll texas cova alabama Alabama uk Tsa nancy pelosi
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on Channel 33

Channel 33

03:56 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on Channel 33

"Named george tab. Who wrote for who also wrote like the most important punks will get mad at me for saying that but like the most important punk fancy maximum rock and roll and so like i had someone who i kind of knew who i could look up to. Who is at that place. And you know i just essentially told the listings editor. Like what job like. Don't you like wanna do yourself. And she was like well. I guess you can open my mail and like type up what people send in. I was like i'll do that. I'll definitely do that. And that went to rate of terror a few years a few years later i mean just amaze matt taibbi armond white matt zoller sites. All these people worked at the same place. It's just time maybe a different editorial regime tori oversight but yes john john strasbourg. How taki theodore coppola's despicable piece of shit like andrea swifter. Who is just you know. Heads no a tremendous tremendous writer and like unparalleled stylist lisa. we king jennifer mayors tania. Richardson dorey advisement. I'm just like naming people. i love. Who are writers for that Paper but you know. I won't agree with you. Know a lot of the politics of new york press particularly with twenty years hindsight but like russ smith built something that i think. A lot of different people from new york will cherish fondly. last for you spencer. You left the daily beast where he'd been for years for sub stack recently. Why did you go to subject like everyone else have lost my mind in the pandemic and a i've not wanted for a while to have a boss i think it's important for writers to have editors and My subject is edited by a friend of mine. Who is my work husband at the guardian. But i don't want to you know at all you know. Shit on the daily beast My you know the editor in chief of the daily beast who's just left for rolling stone. noah shack men has been a true friend and real mentor. Danny in a business where very few people jet mentor. D- and if i don't feel like working for that guy i'm just not like in a mood to you know be part of a newsroom staff And do the kinds of stuff that comes along with that. I was particularly after having drafted reign of terror. Redrafted of terror. Redrafted reign of terror. Really just wanted to pursue that kind of journalism And it's one that i feel more comfortable directing myself for a change rather than Sort of hashing out with top editor. Who has to worry about. You know all sorts of other aspects of news coverage here. I can just sort of do my thing and define my journalism. outside The needs and priorities of news institution. And you know having worked for those institutions for twenty years. It seems like just to take the next step. The book is reign of terror. Hal the nine eleven era destabilized america and produce trump. It's out now. The subject is forever war spencer ackerman. Thanks for coming on the press box. Hey thanks so much brian. Thank you to the ringer as well. All right i am bryan. Curtis production magic by eric savant as we are back friday with david shoemaker. Lukewarm takes about the media see then..

george tab matt zoller john john strasbourg theodore coppola king jennifer Richardson dorey russ smith armond white matt taibbi noah shack tania new york andrea lisa spencer Danny spencer ackerman Hal eric savant america
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on Channel 33

Channel 33

08:35 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on Channel 33

"War didn't bring us to this circumstance but stopping fighting a war somehow did essentially saying that if we were to just if we were to just the act here that has caused this us leaving afghanistan rather than the act of being in afghanistan for the last twenty years. That's correct the residue of the nine. Eleven era has stopped us from recognizing that as we have constructed this endless ever. Ah mutating war against an ever mutating enemy. Those enemies have gotten worse. They've gotten more powerful. Their impact has been far more expansive That was the case with the taliban. In december. two thousand one. The united states had the option of choosing a different course in december of two thousand one after the fall of the islamic everett and the taliban having to retreat to its stronghold in candar. They saw that. The writing was kind of on the wall and offered to the then. Newly us-backed afghan political figure hamad karzai to surrender join a political process provided that mohammed omar the leader of the taliban could remain under some kind of house arrest in kantar and karzai recognizing. What the implications of that offer were immediately accepted. Donald rumsfeld and the bush administration rejected that they demanded instead. Unconditional surrender everything. That happened over. The next twenty years made the taliban strong enough to make this week possible when the bush should. I'm sorry when the trump administration last year signed a deal with the taliban about withdrawal the terms of that deal. we're fundamentally the same as the terms of december. Two thousand one. The taliban were going to join a political process. The us was going to tether. Its withdrawal not to conditions on the ground. As mike pompeo deceitfully said on fox news sunday but to beat certain. Leave because there is no other way to end the war. You can always question whether in december two thousand one. The taliban offer was sincere. Or not what you can't question. Is that the united states had vastly more leverage in this deal that it rejected in two thousand one then in the deal it saw on the same terms in two thousand twenty and the thing that changed in the interim was so many people died were made into refugees were ms a-rated and had their future stolen from them. Help me answer this question. Why did joe biden decide to leave. Afghanistan now biden inherited a deal with the taliban that was simply the not just the best way. There's no best way you know. You're twenty at war. But the most viable way to end the afghanistan war there is no sense in which continuing to fight. The war would have led to a better outcome varies. I would argue instead. Only a sense. In which continuing to fight the war would have led to this day being so much worse and that's with the full recognition of how horrific things are in afghanistan. Right now for real people people with names people with souls by inherits this deal. He doesn't particular we stick to it with fidelity the united states was going to be entirely we out by the terms of the deal in may two thousand twenty. You're supposed to sorry. I made i twenty twenty one Instead by decides unilaterally that as long as we stick around somewhat longer to secure the departure from afghanistan you know who cares you know the taliban will just sort of swallowed at the united states uses this time not to prepare the withdrawal not just of its own nationals but those of afghans or serves the war notice that we're not talking about removing from this danger afghans who didn't serve the war. We're not talking about opening up something. Tps status for millions of afghan refugees even as the trump is right from laura ingram to stephen miller to tucker. Carlson is screaming bloody murder about allowing in those few thousand afghans that worked for the united states and its allies in western institutions instead. What happened was the united states. The biden administration tried to act as a facilitator of an afghan peace process. Winging it is itself a combat the taliban seeing all of this simply decides why not victory. Why not win the war outright enough of this. That is what brought joe biden to this situation. But i'm not sure from what we heard from biden yesterday visit biden recognizes this as some sort of a finality Even as he tells the american people that it is recall that he also said in yesterday's speech that he reserves the right to bomb afghanistan when he feels that it's in the us national interest. Who knows how he'll actually defined that similarly we'd seen throughout the twenty year war on terror that leaving a war ending. A war contains a kind of important caveat. Which is the retention of an option to escalate the war when necessary think for instance In a war that most americans probably are not aware that we have been fighting long enough for the war to bar mitzvah in somalia. Trump pulled out last year of somalia but he puts all of the stuff for the somalia war in nearby in neighboring kenya and nearby. Djibouti at camp lemonier Which is one of the more enduring a symbolic military bases Of the war on terror in the premier staging ground for the united states in in africa certainly eastern africa a circumstance that did not exist before the war on terror and in such a circumstance It is very easy to find as joe biden did that. You can just bomb somalia siege. At a couple of weeks ago. We saw this as well in iraq since one thousand nine hundred ninety one. The united states is declared the end of combat operations in iraq. Four times the war finds new rationales finds new meetings. It finds even worse circumstances that policy makers feel the need to draw the united states back into Whether it's Whether it's the so called islamic state or whether it's a combating iranian proxy militias in iraq. The circumstances keep getting worse. The more the united states reaches for endless war. And yet we don't talk about it in these terms. Were i think it's all important to see whether biden will consider what he has done in afghanistan to end the ground war and pull out. Us troops as the beginning of unraveling the war on terror or the end of it and this is as far as he's going to go we heard him say that counterterrorism will continue not just in afghanistan but globally to new vistas a where new terrorist groups threats today as he put it are. But we've seen this movie plays out. Is this really something. The united states wants to continue doing. This episode is brought to you by cheerios..

taliban Afghanistan united states candar hamad karzai mohammed omar mike pompeo biden joe biden Donald rumsfeld laura ingram karzai somalia everett biden administration bush administration fox news stephen miller bush camp lemonier
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

02:59 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"The <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> <Silence> <Speech_Male> <Speech_Female> island nation yup <Speech_Female> tropical depression. <Speech_Female> Grace <Speech_Female> is taking <Speech_Female> aim at the island <Speech_Female> of hispaniola. <Speech_Female> Haiti shares. <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> it with dominican republic. <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> The entire <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> island nation yup <Speech_Female> tropical depression. <Speech_Female> Grace <Speech_Female> is taking <Speech_Female> aim at the island <Speech_Female> of hispaniola. <Speech_Female> Haiti shares. <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> it with dominican republic. <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> The entire <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> island is under a tropical <Speech_Female> storm. Watch <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> grace's expected <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> to bring heavy <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> rains and flooding <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> through tuesday <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> and could be <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> a devastating complication. <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> After this <Speech_Female> weekend's earthquake <Speech_Female> now grace's <Speech_Female> only one of <Speech_Female> three tropical <Speech_Female> storms <Speech_Female> swirling around in the <Speech_Female> atlantic off the <Speech_Female> east coast. <Speech_Female> There's tropical <Speech_Female> depression eight <Speech_Female> spinning near <Speech_Female> bermuda. Which <Speech_Female> a likely strengthen <Speech_Female> to tropical <Speech_Female> storm honoree <Speech_Female> in the next <Silence> few days <Speech_Female> and <Speech_Female> tropical storm. <Speech_Female> Fred threatening <Speech_Female> florida's panhandle <Speech_Female> <Speech_Female> with fifty miles per <Speech_Female> hour winds <Speech_Female> schools in the <Speech_Female> panhandle or closed <Speech_Female> landfall <Speech_Female> is expected <Speech_Female> sometime monday <Speech_Female> afternoon or evening. <Speech_Female> Fred <Speech_Female> should bring dangerous <Speech_Female> storm surges <Speech_Female> river <Speech_Female> flooding and possible <Speech_Female> tornadoes when <Speech_Female> it reaches the coast <Speech_Female> fun times <Speech_Female> <Speech_Female> by the way speaking of <Speech_Female> schools. In florida <Speech_Female> rhonda. Santa's <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> is doubling <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> down <Speech_Female> now. Pushing <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> treatment <Speech_Female> of hospitalized <Speech_Female> cova patients <Speech_Female> with by the way speaking of <Speech_Female> schools. In florida <Speech_Female> rhonda. Santa's <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> is doubling <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> down <Speech_Female> now. Pushing <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> treatment <Speech_Female> of hospitalized <Speech_Female> cova patients <Speech_Female> with monoclonal <Speech_Female> antibody. <Speech_Female> the <Speech_Female> problem. is these <Speech_Female> treatments cost a <Speech_Female> lot of money. <Speech_Female> They're not simple <Speech_Female> to administer <Speech_Female> and <Speech_Female> dissent is still <Speech_Female> banning <Speech_Female> ask mandate <Speech_Female> and any kind <Speech_Female> of vaccine <Speech_Female> passport <Speech_Female> in the state of florida <Speech_Female> <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> and since he threatened <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> to withhold funding <Speech_Female> for any school <Speech_Female> districts that mandate <Speech_Female> masks <Speech_Female> the biden administration <Speech_Female> has already <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> said they'd make <Speech_Female> up for any lost <Speech_Female> funds <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> and it's not only florida <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> in texas. <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> The all <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> republican <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> supreme court on <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> sunday temporarily <Speech_Female> revived <Speech_Female> the governor's ban <Speech_Female> on local mass mandates <Speech_Female> there <Speech_Female> thwarting attempts <Speech_Female> by officials in <Speech_Female> dallas and beck <Speech_Female> star counties <Speech_Female> to implement cova <Speech_Female> nineteen restrictions <Speech_Female> as kids. Go <Speech_Female> back to school. <Speech_Female> The justices <Speech_Female> granted abbots <Speech_Female> requests for an emergency <Speech_Female> stay that <Speech_Female> blocks lower court <Speech_Female> decisions allowing <Speech_Female> officials in <Speech_Male> those counties to require <Speech_Female> masks in <Speech_Female> schools or indoor <Speech_Female> spaces <Speech_Female> the delta <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> variant is <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> changing all <Speech_Female> the rules we learned <Speech_Female> from the initial <Speech_Female> cova nineteen outbreak <Speech_Female> hospitalizations. <Speech_Female> For <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> people in their thirties <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> have reached a <Speech_Female> record high in the us. <Speech_Female> It's the latest <Speech_Female> evidence that the delta <Speech_Female> variant poses <Speech_Female> big risks <Speech_Female> for younger <Speech_Female> age groups <Speech_Female> hospitalizations <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> for children <Speech_Female> also <Speech_Female> hit record <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> highs over the <Silence> <Advertisement> weekend <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> and finally <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> more relief. For struggling <Speech_Female> families. <Speech_Female> The biden administration <Speech_Female> is expected <Speech_Female> to announce sometime <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> monday the <Speech_Female> largest permanent <Speech_Female> increase <Speech_Female> to food assistance <Speech_Female> benefits in <Speech_Female> history <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> under these new rules <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> which will take effect <Speech_Female> <Advertisement> october.

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

02:44 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"In parallel to discussions with lafayette and everybody else I a new listener to the show a week or two ago. Said how would you like to speak with somebody who was who performed at the original woodstock you know right now. Fifty two years ago. This moment. What doc was going on. It was august. Fifteenth one through the eighteenth fifteenth through the seventeenth eighteenth anyway so The person he's talking about is a friend of his The singer melanie. Remember melanie and actually i was. I was sent trot. I thought i was sending laffy a direct message on twitter last night and i asked her remember. Melanie lay down candles in the winter. Candles in the air. You know brand new key. Look what they done to my song ma and so anyway i just wrote that you remember her and i thought i was standing at just to lathi well. It went out on twitter. Regular and people started responding. Yeah love melanie. I remember her. Why is okay well She did a thing. Her son is also a musician. They did a recording over. The last week of her woodstock set they recreated at song for song recorded it and put it up on the internet. And it's available for these three days for donation or for whatever you want to pay. You can watch it for nothing if that's what you can afford Or you can pay whatever you can afford. And it's up there. So she and i've been communicating via email. And here's the thing her piece. It was all about peace. And i thought well. Maybe if laffy can't be here tomorrow. Maybe melanie join us. So i think melanie is going to join us tomorrow. Well-spent we'll put time aside like the first half hour to talk. I want to take your calls because today all we heard from david so i wanna get your calls on what spencer ackerman said what you think how we get past this. How do we move on knowing what we left behind. Do we have any responsibility to the people there. Spencer ackerman things we owe reparations. Don't know so we'll talk about it and then we'll get an injection of songs of peace. How did the lay down go. Well we'll get to tomorrow okay. Because it is that we came to sing songs of peace. So i'll just throw that out there anyway. As i do lately i will leave you with the news because yes there was. Lots of news made last night in over the weekend. So with that. I'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening everyone.

melanie lafayette twitter doc Melanie Spencer ackerman david
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

06:04 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"But nevertheless it's important to point out that biting his doing no such thing despite the fact that people like me would argue that the united states is an obligation to throw open and millions of people who are trying to save their lives and their children's lives into safe harbor in the united states. Not just the few you know. Low numbers if thousands the biden administration is seeking to take out because they worked for the america right. I would argue that taking out. Those you know extracting those Who worked for the united states In afghanistan is a moral floor that's operating in the administration is immoral ceiling and the administration is not challenging these politics. We heard biden talk this afternoon. Defending the withdrawal. That's well and good but listen also to what he said. One you said that He continues. I think the the actual quote was will maintain a laser focus on our counterterrorism mission. There in other parts of the world so you he does see the other aspects of the forever wars continuing if someone inconspicuously and what he didn't say is that they are going to let all these people who are seeking desperately to get out of afghanistan into the united states where they will finally have this as a harbor that america is putting itself did. It's leaving them behind out right but let me ask you this. We're running. you're getting close to the end of the hour. Spencer ackerman but you know joe biden was was caught in this situation. He said i will get us out of afghantistan We needed to get out of afghanistan. Twenty year war that we've sunk lives and money into did he do the right thing here. He's getting a lot of criticism today. What are your thoughts on how he did it. Well he's he's definitely withdrawing. Us troops from afghanistan He was obligated to do that. Right here. the twenty twenty deal that he inherits from trump which. I consider the only our active and disgraceful presidency I i want the way i would put it in. There has been for a very long time. Deep antipathy and wafer-thin support amongst the american public for these wars fighting to his credit. He is also influenced by it Because as you know an experienced politician he recognizes that there is very angry. Constituency amongst arising left within the democratic party that is looking toward abolition of the war on terror. He needs to kind of stay on his good side. At least that's put him in positions where i give him credit for For pursuing but at the same time. He's not going nearly far enough if we're looking toward the abolition of the war on terror now did we recognize the danger. It poses to american democracy. I hear you And and what about the you know the the people left behind. I know you wanna swing. Open the doors as do i. I feel for the women. The children the young boys the the just the people who want to move forward with their lives and it looks like they've been pushed back fifty years in overnight. Do we have any responsibility to them. We absolutely do. We have a responsibility to resettle everyone who wants out of afghanistan. We owe them reparations. Reparations united states destabilized afghanistan not just in this war but previously in the nineteen eighties. If we want to have a hope of making this right that comes with material obligation. We owe the afghan people alive. They can leave. I hear you need more war. No means indicating the consequences of our war. This is obviously too big a subject to cover in thirty minutes. The book deals with a lot of it. Obviously not the events of the last couple of weeks in the last twenty four hours but this is the world reign of terror. How the nine. Eleven era destabilized america and produce trump spencer. Ackerman it's available now and by the way you can subscribe to spencer's newsletter as well at forever. Wars dot sub stack dot com By the title of your newsletter. I'm guessing you don't think the wars are going to ever end. They will be forever believe that. I don't think that we're doomed to be forever at war What i mean by the title is that if we are not paying close attention to this and then acting accordingly We we we. We will be a very dangerous circumstance and so accordingly. We need to have with precision and rigor tracking the permutations the continuities and the departures of the war on terror. Okay there's a lot lot to digest here. I suggest we read the book and then reconvene spencer ackerman thank you so much. I've been following you for years. It's a pleasure to talk to. I really appreciate your joining us today. Well thank you so much for such a substitute interviewed nicole l. Well i appreciate it. Take care you too bye-bye there you have it spencer ackerman and what. Yeah that was a treat for me. Because i have been Reading him and following him for a long time he has one of those original You know He's been doing this for a long long time We ran a little bit over but that's to be expected isn't it. Let me tell you what's happening tomorrow. Tomorrow's tuesday gotta laugh is supposed to be here because it's her week on but she. She had a rough night last night and she emailed me this morning and she said. I don't think i can make it.

america afghanistan biden administration spencer ackerman biden joe biden trump democratic party spencer Ackerman nicole l
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

09:57 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"Snack. You may god protect our troops. Our diplomats all americans serving in harm's way and good for him. Okay obviously his administration had a breakdown in intelligence was an intelligence failure if they really believed that the that the country would not fall to the taliban in a matter of days if not hours after we pulled out then they were wrong and yes there was a communications and intelligence issue there but i still give him more credit than anybody else now. I don't know what spencer ackerman is gonna say. So let me tell you a little bit about the guest. We have coming up. Spencer ackerman has been covering National security issues for decades He was You know he's one of the og Bloggers he he was doing this. I think at fire dog lake years ago and he's worked everywhere the new republic he's been at the daily beast for the last however long. I don't know how long it's been And now he does his own thing. He has his own A sub stack newsletter. Hello doesn't everybody. His is called forever wars so you go to forever. Wars dot sub stack dot com. And you'll get spencer ackerman's newsletter A lot of it sort of goes hand in hand with the book. The book reign of terror. How the nine. Eleven era destabilized. America and produce trump just hit stores on tuesday I'm to get spencer ackerman on the phone. Yes he will be on the phone today. And although i wanna play for you i should wait till he's on the line to play this actually Okay so Let's give him a call and Yeah let's get him on the line. We're just doing alive because we can show you. This is live radio. everybody so Hello hey spencer. It's nicole sandler colin article. How are you know pretty hanging hanging in there. Today we are live on the air I've been explaining to the listeners. About the book. Which i'm sure they've already heard about. It's called reign of terror. How the nine eleven era destabilized america and produce trump. it just hit stores on tuesday. And there's something to be said for timing. Although i'm sure you would preferred the events that happened over the weekend. Maybe not have happened the way they did. Yeah certainly this isn't. This isn't visiting something anyone know it but to be sure to be more precise what what's happening chewed. The people left behind in. Afghanistan is not what anybody wants getting us. The hell out of afghanistan is something a lot of people wanted and something that You know in other. Under other circumstances we'd be celebrating. Wouldn't eat and i. I think that what we're seeing is not an alternative to the war. Which is how it is being constantly described. What we are seeing is the fruits of the war. The suffering of afghans. That we are seeing now is the direct result of what has followed not only twenty years of futile disastrous war but the result of american destabilization of afghanistan that went back to the nineteen eighties as aided the afghan resistance to the soviet occupation. Alongside the pakistanis and the saudis and all of the history is getting flattened and that risks. Repeating it all of this history is getting flattened and that risks repeating it. So you're saying this is far from over right with this. This is they're still Hostilities they're still unsettled business. They're still the remnants of the so called war on terror in afghanistan And and we're not going to be free of that for some time if ever is out that no that's not what what i'm saying. Although that is true. What i'm saying is that the war itself is directly responsible for this carnage we are talking about this carnage the awful disgusting images of people leaping the cert or falling to certain death from c. Seventeen because they try and flee the war that prime free the taliban that is the result that is the only enduring thing that what was once called operation. Enduring freedom has yielded a human disaster. What is happening. I think in the discourse around this over the last several days and in particular today the overwhelming desire to pretend that more war would ultimately reduce this circumstance instead of exacerbating and if we allow that to take root then. The next afghanistan war is nigh and it won't even necessarily be outside of afghanistan. We heard president biden you today that he reserves the right to drop bombs on afghanistan as he sees fit and that is deeply in keeping with the way the united states for instance drew From iraq only to ultimately re- escalate because of perceived national security needs. And to your to the that you brought up earlier. It is very very true that most of the architecture of the war on terror the math surveillance immigration giving counterterrorism sheen indefinite detention all of the other components the existence of the department of homeland security. That was used against american citizens So vividly on the streets west summer all of that remains in place. All of that remains on address. All of that remains tools for the next authoritarian. Oh boy that's what my book of that. Yeah it is. We're going to get into the book for a moment. I just you know. I went looking to see. I didn't have time to read the whole book. I'm midway through it i. It's it's a brilliant book and it's intriguing and fascinating But i want looking online to see what i could find any interviews. You've zone about the book just to get some insight and i found something from almost ten years ago You didn't ask me anything and you have one question posted. And it was what was the what would be the worst consequence of leaving afghanistan. I'm sure you recall this. Yes no. I have no idea watch okay. You asked me what i did like years ago. I would have no way of okay. Let's let's let's listen here. we go. It's asks spencer ackerman. Anything a reader asked. What do you foresee as the worst consequence of pulling out of afghanistan consequences. Point out of afghanistan is from as best as i can tell and i don't wanna play afghanistan experts A problem for afghanistan. It will be a problem for afghans which is to say. Internal collapse of afghanistan built on shaky foundations award of the international community economically A fracture place politically And increasingly unable to reconcile itself to a circumstance that seemingly most afghans want which is the end of thirty years of conflict Institution building in. Afghanistan is a failure It's proven itself. Ultimately to be following the administration has vacillated i think both in its internal deliberations and in public presentations between triaging a terrible situation and setting itself lofty goals for institutional building while telling both itself congress and the public wasn't doing these things anymore and this is an internal contradiction that the administration never fully resolved the consequences of of the last couple years. Bear that out and afghanistan itself may not be in a position to internally reconcile one of the more terrifying prospects that i've heard from a good friend of mine he's lived in in afghanistan for the last two years is that even if the best case scenarios For the west pan out which is to say the taliban the karzai administration. The pakistanis in the united states managed to come to some kind of peace deal The former allies northern allies the warlords initially Help the us Invade afghanistan take kabul from the taliban most of them non-pashtoons We'll find that circumstance absolutely unacceptable and we'll have a civil war even in the case of taliban karzai peace deal That strikes me. Is you know. Probably a possibility worth considering and triaging but from the perspective of what the us can do mitigated. I'm not alternately certain it strikes me as foolhardy to say that Once the us leads al qaeda will stream back into afghanistan evidence. They're powerful enough to do so. There's also very little evidence that the taliban and find that to be such an important fact about there's teaching situation they would sacrifice a further chance victory in the name of an alliance with all..

spencer ackerman afghanistan nicole sandler taliban us president biden Afghanistan spencer colin department of homeland securit iraq karzai administration congress kabul karzai al qaeda
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

02:07 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"As your president was easy to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting. The taliban in the middle of the spring fighting sees would have been no ceasefire one right. There was no agreement protecting our forces after may one. there was no status quo of stability without american casualties. After may one was only coal reality either following through on the agreement yeah to withdraw our forces or escalating the conflict and sending thousands more american troops back into combat afganistan lurching into the third decade of conflict lurching. I stand behind my decision squarely behind my decision twenty years. I've learned the hardware that there was never a good time to withdraw. Us forces that's why we're still there. There was never a good time to withdraw forces. But we should have done it long before this. And here's the thing today. You had trump el. Gordo criticize what did he say. Something like joe biden needs to resign. Now do i. I think i have it so it doesn't matter what his exact quote was. Let's just go back one month one month to one of his nuremburg rallies and hear what what what l. trump oh said about pulling out of afghanistan and in case you need an interpreter for this clip and it runs thirty five seconds. So i'm not gonna assault your ears too badly. When he says we started the ball rolling and they couldn't stop it. the they he's talking about is the biden administration. I started the process. All the troops are coming back home. They couldn't stop the breast. They couldn't stop the process. Twenty one years is enough. Don't we think twenty-one they couldn't stop the process yeah wanted to but it was very.

afganistan taliban joe biden biden administration afghanistan Us
"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

06:28 min | 9 months ago

"spencer ackerman" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"Everyone i'd say happy monday. it's not really a happy occasion though it should be right. I mean look back after twenty years in afghanistan. We're out of there right. That should be it. What what more do we need. Well except things. There are not good. There's that old saying you break it you buy it well. We didn't break afghanistan. let's put it that way. Afghanistan was broken before we got there. We just you know. Overstate are welcome. Not that we were ever welcomed but we should have gotten out of there. Well we should have never gone in. But that's you know that's another story We can't totally rewrite history. We did go in and we stayed for twenty years twenty years. That's insane right. That's too much. So i wanna take us back. We've got a great show for you today. I wish i could take credit for The booking genius today because spencer ackerman is our guest as spencer ackerman has been covering issues of national security for his entire career and he just released a new book. It was out a week ago tomorrow. Six days ago. It's called reign of terror. How the nine eleven era destabilized america and produce trump. If i could have chosen who. I would like to talk to today. I think spencer ackerman given this. The release of this book was at the top of the list. I you know. I made the mistake of saying. It was fortuitous. Timing and someone said you know given the vents. It doesn't that doesn't sound too good. I don't mean to You know dance on anyone's grave or make light of a really bad situation but it was fortuitous. Timing on the booking today just happens to be the day they gave me When i said yes yes. I wanted to interview spencer ackerman. So they said how does monday august sixteenth looking. I said it's in the book we're live. He'll be with us. Live at the bottom of the hour so we have not spoken yet on and some days i do pre record the interviews today. I did not. He will be calling a will be calling him and it'll be a foreigner At the bottom of the hour so before we get there. I want to take you back and give you a little bit of historical context so we are coming up on the twentieth anniversary. You know this of nine eleven yard the day we were attacked and guess what afghanistan did not attack us nor did the taliban nope. The taliban did not attack us. You know who attacked us. It was Al qaeda al qaeda and the reports we had were that al qaeda was based and they did the planning and afghanistan. and that's why we went to afghanistan. that's why we attacked afghanistan. You see so much of it. Just never made sense. It didn't then and doesn't now to be honest But here we are and So just a few days after the nine eleven attacks Congress decided well going to go into afghanistan. And out of. I i you know the usual number of representatives in the house of representatives is four hundred thirty five right so this I get say there were four hundred and thirty. Five members of the house on september fourteenth. Two thousand one could have been down a couple. i'm not sure that's why i'm qualifying it. the only one member of congress stood up and said no we do not go into attack afghanistan because of this and so i think on a day like today we do need to take two minutes two minutes and four seconds actually and salute barbara lee because she was the only one who stood up and did the right thing. September fourteenth two thousand and one joan from california's Recognized half all done thing. Hold on my friend all done. I got a speaker. I rise really heavy heart. One that is filled with sorrow for the families and the loved ones who were killed and injured this week. Only the most foolish and the most counts without understand the grief that really gripped our people and millions across the world unspeakable act on the united states really reform or ismay however to rely on my moral compass my conscience and my god for direction. September eleventh changed the world. Our deepest fears now haunt us yet. I am convinced that military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the united states. This is a very complex and complicated matter now. This resolution will pass all the we all know that the president can wage war even without it however difficult this vote may be some of us must urge the use of restraint our state of mourning. Yes some of us must say. Let's step back for a moment. Let's just pause just for a minute and think through the implications of our actions today so that this does not spiral out of control now. I have agonized over this vote but came to grips with it today and i came to grips with opposing this resolution during the very painful yet. Very beautiful memorial service as a member of the clergy so eloquently said as we act let us not become the evil that we.

spencer ackerman afghanistan al qaeda taliban Afghanistan united states Congress ismay barbara lee house of representatives joan california