17 Burst results for "Spence Crawford"
The Bill Simmons Podcast
"spence crawford" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"All right, UFC 294. One of the things I love about the UFC is that somebody can be a late scratch and then they'll fucking pull some awesome fight out of nowhere. The guy's got three weeks notice and people are just ready to roll. I think maybe it's because in the UFC, if you lose a fight, it's not the end of the world. In boxing, if you lose a fight, especially if you're building some sort of undefeated record or whatever streak you're on, and it can be completely devastating if you lose one fight. It changes how much money you make, how you're perceived by the public. In UFC, it's a little less risky, but now we end up with the two fights that, my son's going nuts. He was like, we gotta take Usman under. It's like the first time ever he was telling me the bet, it's like under, he's gonna knock this guy out. It's like, we're going under. And I'm like, what? You're giving me gambling advice? How dare you? But two awesome fights, which one are you more excited about? Okay, so I'll say this. I agree with everything that you said. Could you imagine, let's talk about one of the bigger fights of the year. Let's say Tank Garcia, not even as big as Spence Crawford in terms of the fight on paper. Could you imagine if one of those guys would have pulled out the whole event would have been canceled, right? They would have brought in someone at the last minute. So it's great that the UFC has this system, which is why I always say it's built a lot more like WWE than pro boxing, where they can mix and match the guys at the last minute. Here you have, I want people to recognize this. You have Isam Hacha, the lightweight champion of the UFC. He's scheduled to fight Charles Olvera, who he smoked a year ago in Abu Dhabi. It wasn't a close fight at all. Since then, Charles has won one fight. And so they ran it back because there was really no one else. Charles gets injured 11 days before the fight, about nine days ago now. And he gets cut above his eye, can't fight. They call up Alex Volkanovsky, who is the featherweight champion, to fight on 11 days notice after he fought Islam in February in Perth, Australia, and lost by the skin of his teeth. When five rounds, no one has fought Islam. Controversial fight. Very controversial. And he says, yes, he takes this fight. Alex might be one of my favorite athletes right now, just because he is such a no-nonsense, like hardhat, lunch pail kind of guy, and just says, yeah, whatever. And I get it. He's the champ moving up. He has nothing to lose. He doesn't lose his belt, all that stuff. But come on, man. He's not getting another crack at the belt if he loses this fight. And he's got a legacy to preserve here. He's taken this fight on 11 days notice. And if he loses, that's it for him at 155. And so he goes in there. Oh, by the way, he just fought in July, and he just had elbow surgery, and he only got medically cleared a month ago, and he's taking this fight. It's just amazing. So I will say that I am infinitely more interested in the new main event than I am in the old main event. I like the Volkanovski-Makhachev fight because of how close the first one was and the story going into this one, way more than the Makhachev-Olivera fight. On the flip side, I will say, I am infinitely less interested in the co-main event, the new co-main event, which is Hamza Chamayev versus Kamara Usman, than the original co-main event, which was Paulo Costa versus Hamza Chamayev. Those two, Costa and Chamayev, had bad blood. They hate each other. This was like a year and a half long build. This was like Hogan, Andre, WrestleMania 3 build, right? Usman is taking this fight again on 11 days notice. There's some rumors about his body being a little bit banged up. We'll see if that's true. He's getting up there in age. He didn't look good in his last fight. I just, I think Chamayev rolls in a very big way against him. I just don't think that he has anything moving up by the way. Yo, do not take, are you crazy, Usman under? Chamayev is going to be a champion. It's just a matter of when. He is a scary beast of a man. Usman's going up from 170 to 185. Chamayev has fought at 185 and 170. Do not take, please, do not take Usman under. If you want to take a fire- Maybe it was the under for the rounds. Maybe it was an Usman under. Maybe it was just the rounds. Regardless of winner, it doesn't matter? Either way, my son's an idiot, so it doesn't matter. Yeah, do not do that. Do not do that. Now you want to take a flyer on Volk pulling off the upset? I'm down with that. You want to take a flyer on Volk pulling off the upset with a stoppage? I'm down with that. But as far as an underdog pick and you're going Usman under, that's, I mean, that's burning money in my opinion. Volk, the last fight, which now there's YouTube breakdowns of it, and you could make a case he won the last fight. Super close. You could make a case- That if you flip it, he wins it. You could also make a case that if there was like 30 seconds or a minute left in the last round, if there was some, like, that he was en route to maybe getting a stoppage. It was that close. Like, he was like freaking hulking up at the end there. So, look, it's a little bit different now. Short notice coming off the surgery. Also, Islam is the fan favorite in Abu Dhabi. Obviously a very predominant Muslim country, UAE, and Volk is now going from being the man in Australia to being on quote unquote enemy territory in the UAE. So it's a little bit of a different scenario for him, but I love the fact that there's really no pressure on his shoulders. Cause like I said, if he loses, yeah, he doesn't get another crack at 155, but he's still the 145 champ. And this guy is so great. Phil, he was scheduled to fight in January against Ilia Tapuria, who's incredible, undefeated guy from Spain and Georgia. He says, I'm still going to fight in January just cause I'm taking this fight. Don't worry, Toronto. You haven't lost your main event. I'm still gonna fight. That's like in a little over two months time. No one does that. The UFC is very lucky to have Alex Volkanovski because he is more active than any champion on their roster. He always turns up and he always delivers. It's amazing to watch him. Any sneaky fight on this card earlier that you love? Well, the best fight of the night is gonna be the main event in my opinion. I'm really interested in the Johnny Walker, Magomed Ankalaya fight.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
"spence crawford" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"The first fight, the first main event was an absolute disgrace. It was one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life. I've never seen somebody just decide not to throw punches for five rounds as like a strategy. I'm good with never seeing a UFC fighter box again. And I know why the Pauls, and it's a smart move by them. They're taking these guys who are these names, they're grapplers and they're tough, but they also don't know really how to box. So when Dan Henderson was like, get me in on this, that was the first time I said, oh, that would actually be fairly interesting because he actually could throw some hands. But for the most part, these guys aren't boxers. So how long do you think the Pauls can snooker the American public into thinking they're watching real boxing matches when they're not actually watching real boxing matches? Because they've now snookered me and my son, I would say four or five times. So how many more times can they do this? First of all, I love that your son is even into this. This is tremendous. They need to do a pod with him. I'm glad that they got him into boxing even more. Like he really enjoys it. He cares. And that's actually a really important thing to note. I was there, like this year I went to Spence Crawford. I went to Tank Garcia, both at T-Mobile, right? Honest to God, there probably wasn't a thousand people in that 20,000 seat arena by the time the co-main event happened for those massive main events. No one shows up for the undercard. On Saturday for this Misfits boxing card, not only was it probably 70% full before the first fight of the night, like talking about like five, six hours of fighting, by the time the main card started, completely full. And it wasn't even a UFC crowd because UFC crowds typically show up from the beginning to end, it wasn't even that. It was like a WWE crowd. The amount of 10 to 12-year-old kids that I saw there blew me away. What they're doing right now with this crossover boxing, and I always have to say crossover influencer boxing, pick your word, it doesn't matter. You have to call it that because it's something completely different than traditional boxing. It's great that it gets someone like your son to just watch boxing, period. But it's very important to recognize that this isn't traditional boxing. This isn't Canelo, Spence, Crawford, Tank Davis. It's not that. It's crossover slash influencer boxing. The same way pro wrestling and Olympic wrestling aren't the same thing, but they share one word, you have to be able to recognize that these two entities are different, right? WWE wrestling isn't the same as collegiate or Olympic wrestling. And so what this is is a bunch of guys who are very popular to a sector of society, and they go in there and they settle their differences. And so I see people getting mad after these events saying like, I feel like I've been snookered. I feel like I've been bamboozled. Like, what did you expect? These aren't traditional boxers. They don't have the experience. They don't have the time. They don't have the resume like the other people that you see in the rings. That's one thing I need to note. Number two, Dylan Danis- Well, Danis could throw a couple punches. I mean, I was expecting- No, he can't. That's the thing. I was expecting punches. He's not a UFC fighter. He's a Bellator fighter who fought a couple of bumps. He fought the guy who delivered my Uber Eats last night. He's not a traditional striker. He's 2-0 in an MMA cage. He's a great BJJ practitioner, but his hands have never been his thing. Never been his thing. What he did was he picked a fight and he did a tremendous job of selling a fight. And so it became very personal between them. What he did, in my opinion, was try to tire out Logan Paul in the first two rounds because he thought he was big and muscle bound guy. And he's like, okay, let me allow him to empty the tank and then I will pour it on in the third. That's what his coach told me that he wanted to do. The problem was he got rocked in the second and was like, you know what? I want nothing to do with this. I don't want to be embarrassed. I don't want to be knocked out. I don't want to be a meme. Let me just try to survive. And then let me try to make my own meme. That's why you saw him do the takedowns, the guillotine. He tried to take Diaz's playbook. It ended up being a total sham of a fight because of that. And I just think he was trying to survive. He was trying not to get embarrassed. I give Logan some credit. He was teeing off. He was trying his best. He just doesn't have the power to knock someone out who's putting his hands up like that and protecting his face. And as he said to me afterwards, I don't think he wants to have a career in boxing like his brother does. I think he's gonna go back to WWE and maybe pop up one or more two times. And that's pretty much it. So you just have to recognize what you're watching. Should it have been better? Absolutely. Could it have been better? Perhaps. But I get frustrated when people say, this is a sham. This is the example that boxing is dead. It's not dead. There's a tremendous amount of fights happening back into the year, have happened already. Please separate. I think it's been a good boxing year. Yeah, you're right. It's been one of the best boxing years. I mean, it's been amazing.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"spence crawford" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"And Quigley had some moments. I mean, Berlanga was- We're not doing the Quigley stuff. Berlanga wasn't the beast that everyone thought. So now Berlanga has to prove once again that he is a beast and he does it against a former champion and a fighter like Munguia or a Munguia type. But we're going to have to see that beast again. You thought Quigley won 118-110. So I- I didn't think Quigley won. He just surprised everybody, including Berlanga. No, he didn't. All right. You know, another piece of intel I picked up over the last couple of weeks was Manny Pacquiao. And I've done some reporting on Pacquiao talking about going into the Olympics and trying to win a gold medal in 2024. There's been some reporting about Pacquiao fighting another exhibition against a kickboxer. One thing I heard over the last few days is that Pacquiao right now is actively looking for another professional fight. He's 44 years old. He has not fought since losing to Yordanis Ugas a couple of years ago. But I've been told that he wants back in in a professional fight. And the guy I've been told that he's looking at is Errol Spence Jr. Pacquiao, as you know, was at the Spence Crawford fight. And Pacquiao at that fight was telling people that he believes his style matches up well with Spence. He believes, even at this stage of his career, that he can beat Spence. Spence, of course, has reportedly activated his rematch clause with Terence Crawford. But if you think about it, Sergio, if Pacquiao really is going to come back, fighting Errol Spence is not the dumbest idea in the world, especially if the fight takes place at 154 pounds. The kind of fight that I think Pacquiao could lose and probably would lose, but not one at this point where he would get badly hurt. What do you think of the idea of Pacquiao returning to fight Errol Spence? I don't like fighters returning, great fighters. I mean, all time great fighters going back to the well for another chance at greatness. I mean, we've already seen Pacquiao get viciously knocked out. This is a man, a legend, an eighth division champion that has over 70 fights. He's already given three careers to everybody. What more can he give the sport? What more can fans expect from him? No, I don't want to see him come back. Even though it will be a calculated risk against a fighter like Spence, who is in the eyes of many damaged goods, he just got that beat down from Crawford. I mean, he had that brutal car accident, the inactivity in the past. Yeah, in the past, you would say, that's actually a decent idea. And Spence is not a mover. He has trouble with fighters that move laterally a little bit, pinning them down. I would say it was a good idea in the past. Not anymore, not at this stage, not when you already have political ambitions, you're raising a family, you have aspirations to do other stuff. Not to train, not to fight hard, not to go back and revisit. It's delusional, man, it's delusional. I don't like that idea at all. You know, the biggest obstacle, or at least one of the biggest obstacles in making a fight like this happen is that there isn't any money out there for it. I mean, both these guys are used to making pretty healthy purses, and I don't see any outlet network promoter out there willing to guarantee them the kind of money that they're used to getting, or they would expect to get to fight each other. But if there was, I'll put it to you this way, I'd probably be more interested at this point in seeing Pacquiao Spence than I am Crawford Spence, because I have the belief that Crawford Spence too goes a lot like Crawford Spence one or worse. I don't think an extra seven pounds is gonna help Errol Spence all that much. In fact, you can certainly argue it'll probably help Terrence Crawford just as much. And you know, we've talked about this a lot. I think Spence is a diminished version of the fighter we saw kind of rolling through the welterweight division before his car accident. A greatly diminished Pacquiao versus a diminished Spence, I think is more competitive, frankly. What do you get out of that? I mean- Not every fight needs to be a super fight. You're a sadist, man. I mean, if that's the word, you're indulging the punishment of others. Is that the word? It might be a bit strong. Is that the word? Because yeah, I mean, what do you get out of a fighter that's given everything to the sport and Pacquiao and someone who just got brutally beaten down like Spence? Oh, well, let them beat the rest of the pulp out of each other. No, man, that's how people get seriously hurt. And it happens to the greatest, man. The greatest die the hardest. Muhammad Ali, way past his prime. You know, after the Frazier fight, continued fighting. Sugar Ray Leonard continued coming back. Got beat down by Camacho, by Terry Norris. Oscar De La Hoya, you know, comes back, gets beaten down by Pacquiao. Happens to the greatest, man, because they won't learn until it finally, the nail hits the coffin. That's what made them great. The fact that they thought they can always, you know, continue fighting, continue beating the best, the best, the best. That's what makes them great. But not anymore. Not when you've already been stopped. That's not when you've already been, you know, to the top. Many times you, you defied odds, but you can't continue doing that. That's when you get hurt. I don't want to see it. Look, I'm kind of with you on, on Pacquiao coming back. I don't need to see it. He's never going to be able to compete at the highest level ever again. Certainly not at 154 and above, but if you're Harold Spence and that fight is even close to realistic, if that's really something that, that is being brought to your attention, I would jump on that. I would, because if you're Spence, the chance to fight Pacquiao would make a bunch of money and maybe regain some of your confidence as a fighter. I think there's a lot of value in that. Maybe a lot more value certainly than him going up and fighting some, you know, top 15, top 20 contender just to get a win under his belt. You get a win over Manny Pacquiao. Not only do you get some of your confidence back, but you also get a big payday out of it. Maybe not as big as you're scheduled to get against Crawford. Although I'd argue that the pay-per-view sales for Spence Crawford two won't touch Spence Crawford one, but you know, you get a pretty healthy payday to fight a guy that you should beat. A 44-year-old version of Manny Pacquiao would be an underdog against even this version of Errol Spence. So if I'm Errol Spence, Sergio, I would, if this is something that my advisors bring to me, I might consider reversing my decision on fighting Crawford right away and fighting Manny Pacquiao. Of course you do. You said the word value in the words of Oscar Wilde. Critics like yourself, Chris Mannix, know the value of everything and the cost of nothing. I mean, this is going to cost him blood. It's going to cost him years of his life, cost of his health. One fight can do that, man. One fight can change everything around. I know it sounds dramatic, but we've seen it happen all the time. You know, after that beat down, to come back with a great fighter like Pacquiao, I'm not saying things are going to go back with Spence, but how many times are you going to go through pain? I mean, look at that horrific car accident that went through that probably, you know, that is actually what beat him down worse than Crawford, but you know, let's not take anything away from Bud, but you know, you can't go through that. You can't put your body through that. And then to come back and try to do it again against one of the greatest fighters of our generation, you're just, you're asking for trouble. And I don't want to see it. I don't want to take part of it. And sadly, it's a lot of people like yourself that are interested. Masochist, that's another word. I love when you quote Oscar Wilde, you rarely get the quote right, and it never makes much sense. So I do appreciate when you do that.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"spence crawford" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Close rounds one round yeah right it's a couple it's not like either one of those guys was landed hey and that's the thing maxie hughs should have been more active yeah in the fight for sure i mean he could have solidified the vic well maybe not joseph mason still probably was for george all in on george so i i don't mean to pick on david southerland i'm sure he's i i'm sure he's perfectly nice and all that my point is if the previous saturday he's involved in what is without question a suspect decision you can't have him judging that's not the time for him that you want to assign him to the spence crawford rematch in january or whatever fine but the next saturday it's just it just opened and i'm not saying david southerland won't do a great job on sat he might very well he's proven to be a pretty good judge but the optics of it are awful and that's the last thing we need to come away from on saturday night is a controversial decision you need these guys to get it right yeah 100 because there's a decent chance it's a really close fight and it's as important a fight to score as any in recent memory you've got to have the best i'm glad steve weisfeld's doing i think he's uh one of the best who's the third one uh tim cheatham another good one yeah and so i think they've got a decent uh cord there but we'll see it's an important fight uh for them to get right just lastly on kambosis like i'm not even sure like let's say hypothetically haney drops those belts like kimbos was it gustavo limon is that who he's like i'm not sure he beats him like i don't know like kimbosis to me i've never seen uh i think it's lamose is it most i believe that whatever his name is i've never seen him fight so i'm not sure kimbos can beat him though like kimbosis like i heard from some people around kimbosis like you know haney took a lot out of them i don't really know believe that like i mean they were he went 24 rounds with devin haney but it's not like going 24 rounds with manny pacquiao like you know you got out boxed in two fights with devin haney i think kimbosis kind of is what he is like he had a great night against teofimo lopez but you raise up levels and you know i i haven't seen anything for george kimbose that makes me believe yeah maybe he wins that ibf title but chacour stevenson has nothing to worry about like that well i just hope he beats down kimbosis chris i hope they don't get to the point where they have to make that fight i hope because everyone seems to think and chacour certainly hopes that this is the case that he fights lomachenko haney gives up the titles and then him and uh lomachenko is the number one contender in the wbc's rankings and chacour is number two so they're perfectly positioned to fight for the vacant title okay lomachenko officially lost to haney there are plenty of people who will tell you that he deserved to win that fight so if they can make chacour stevenson and and vasily lomachenko and let's just say november that's a pretty good goddamn fight and you know you would you know you want to see chacour fight his contemporaries devin haney but he's going to move up uh gervonta davis isn't there's not going to be an easy fight to make for obvious business reasons um so in the interim him fighting lomachenko is a is a good i don't want to say consolation prize because it's a pretty good fight but um but it's a fight we'll want to see whereas if he fought kimbosis it's like if kimbosis gets his hand on the title though he's going to be coming for him sooner rather than later you know if yeah yeah that and that's not going to go well for george that's that's not going to go well for george
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"spence crawford" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Acknowledge the improvements that he's made as a pro i think speaks to how good robisi ramirez is is he good enough to beat in a way well i mean no one seems to be fall into that category so far so i'm not sure about that but it's an interesting fight you know who what i love about anyway is that he transcends the boxing politics because he they can offer so much money that like whoever a title holder is that has a pvc side belt whether it's brandon figueroa or gary russell rave argus whoever has one of those belts they'll probably go over to japan to fight him because there'll be so much money available to them to to do that so he's going to get those opportunities i'm excited to see to see more of them at 122 uh and beyond just because i mentioned the kambosis fight um were you as outraged as many were by the scorecards in that fight kambosis defeats maxi hughs it was a majority decision one of the judges david southerland had it a draw two of the judges had it in favor of kambosis one wide once 117 uh 111 that was a fight that i thought was was close i edged to hughs watching on tv about 115 113 but a lot of outrage afterwards about two of those scorecards in this fight where did you fall on that yeah 117 111 joseph mason's scorecard is just just preposterous disgusting uh pick an adjective right i mean tim bradley was right on the on the head sometimes i think tim goes a little too far in in his outrage sometimes but i thought he was completely on the money in this case and his point was well taken in that you know maxi hughs is a guy who has five losses on his record he's not a big puncher he's even in the boxing crazed uk he's not a big star he wins seven fights in a row pulls off a couple of minor upsets is in
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"spence crawford" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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The Corner
"spence crawford" Discussed on The Corner
"He'll have the briefcase and the IC title. I'm just going to pull up. But that's how you build your next guy. AEW has this is what I'm saying. When I talk about committing to somebody, you commit to Gunther, you get there and then it's believable. So if they figure it out with this, if they play their cards right, WWE is going to be in for a solid year. But if Vince starts meddling, we'll be back on this damn podcast three weeks from now going what the fuck. But right now, I like the direction. I think that's going to be a good card. It should be a good weekend of wrestling. We'll be everywhere. We're going to GCW on Friday. We're going to watch WWE on Saturday. We have AEW on Sunday. Damn, this is packed. Make sure you guys watch everything as well. Support all wrestling. That's what we come down to. Yes. Support this talent, man. Yes. We don't like the booking of some things. It's OK. Some stuff is up, some stuff is down. All these pro wrestlers bust their ass. We talked to all of them. They're all such, well, most of them are such nice people. Support them. Let's put money in their pockets. Make sure you watch all of it. We appreciate you all. Again, we have a ton of interviews coming your way as well. So plenty of pro wrestling to go later in the week and early in the week. We have our boxing show. Check that out. We have one hell of a boxing weekend. Devin Haney, Lomachenko, Spence Crawford announced so much stuff popped on this week's boxing show. Make sure you guys check that out. Keep this short and sweet. Shout out to everyone here at Blue Eyre Studios, everyone in the booth for holding it down for us today. We appreciate you all. Follow us on social media. You guys get the chance till next time. We're out. Peace.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"spence crawford" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Right, before I get to this week's picks, I want to apologize to the audience for an egregious mistake. I made last week. Last week, I bet on Anthony Joshua to win between rounds 7 through 12. The mistake that I made was believing that including included in that bet was a decision so that if it went 12, I would win my bet. I don't know why I thought that. But I promise you, I was sitting at the hotel bar in California. Watching the fight on my phone and when the fight went the distance of the bell rang to end the 12th round, I fist pumped I high 5 people I was all over the place because I thought I won. And like ten minutes later I start to look at the bet going, wait a minute. That's not, that's not right. Texted a few people turned out I was wrong. It felt like a real jackass. Apologized to the audience. I meant to take Joshua by decision. That was kind of how I felt that fight was going to go. Instead, I told you to bet rounds 6 through 12. So I promised to be extra careful moving forward with how I make these beds. So this week we've got a world title fight down in Texas, a Shakur Stevenson fight in New Jersey. Both these fights substantial odds in favor of the favorite. So I'm gonna look at the Shakur Stephen fight. Stevenson fight versus yoshino, that fight in Newark, New Jersey on ESPN. Shakur right now -1600. Not gonna win a lot of money there. But I think she scores Stevenson is great at one 35 or will be great at one 35. I think he's a pound for pound talent. I think he beats yoshino comfortably. So if you want to put a lot of money on it, you can have a chance to make some money back because I think Stevenson deserves to be a massive favorite in that fight. Shakur Stevenson by points or decision. That's the bet I would make where you could load up a little more and make it a little bit more money. Minus two ten, according to FanDuel for Shakur Stevenson to win by points or decision. I don't think he gets the stoppage against yoshino, ishino is a tough guy, comfortable at this weight class. I think Shakur might be feeling himself out a little bit, trying to figure out how strong he is at this weight, how much power he can take at this weight. So Shakur Stevenson by points or decision is where I would go with my money this weekend. So, score seems to win, that's an easy one. Of course, Stevenson, by points or decision, that is your chance to make a little bit of money if you load up on that bet. Those are my picks. Good luck this weekend. That's it for this week's episode, my thanks to Mike Carpenter and of course David zipper joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate, review this podcast on Apple podcasts, Spotify, wherever you download podcasts, and I'll see you next week. Are you looking to take the next step in your career? Maybe you want to learn new skills, break into a different industry or just make more money. Marymount university's graduate degrees help you find your next. With approachable hardworking professors actively networking in their fields. They will set you up for whatever your next may be. Customize your degree to fit your needs and walk away with connections in your field. Marymount university graduate school. Preparing you for what snacks. Check them out. At marymount dot EDU slash grad for more information. For our early days of delivering icing coal, Griffith energy services has been a leader in having the right comfort solutions for you. Folks rely on Griffith for everything from heating oil and propane to HVAC service installation and repair and so much more Griffith energy services doggone dependable for 125 years Griffith specializes in train, but services all brands visit Griffith energy services today. Down on dependable my sister anti HVAC R zero one two 7 8. At the intersection of sports, community and media. You'll find the future and to play it forward foundation is paving the way to that future through building, educating and exposing youth to opportunities to play it forward foundation or pith elevates and equips elite young athletes through NIL branding to support their development and secure their future. Learn more at PIF foundation dot org. That's VIF foundation dot org. Playing for a foundation, creating opportunities.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"spence crawford" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Here and he's coming to take over. Did you feel like you accomplished everything you possibly could at one 31 two belts, but do you feel like you got everything out of it that you could? I mean, I could have been on disputed. I learned 30, you could say that, but that is, you know, if I went and did that, it would have been, I don't think that would have been too hard to be honest. Champions that was dared a solid, but we've been honest, none of them could do anything with me. So as the people was putting out the real competition is that one 35, so I'm here now and like I said, the little guys here to take over. I got a little bit excited about the cordina fight after cordina had that loss, but that win, but maybe down the line, you know, that could be a big fight at one 35. He's a good fighter, but he can't do nothing with me. I've been around him for years. We came up in amateurs together. We went to the Olympics together. I'm a whole different animal. I'll give you a chance to go to the UK and get a big fight there. That'd be fun. Yeah, if you sell it out, I think I'll be the name if I go there, so. Second straight fight for you in your hometown of Newark. Were you a Marvin Hagler guy? Kind of growing up, obviously, too young to see him, but like were you a fan of hagler's style being from the same town? Actually, I'm a real honest guy, so. I'm gonna say no, but when I turned pro, I realized how great he was. I went back and watched more fights. I watched some very Sugar Ray Leonard. I watched him like, out of all the four dudes, I say he might have been like either number one. He's right there with all of them 'cause y'all realize in all I'm fights. He really won and beat everybody else besides sugary learning. So it's like, he could be number one and everybody else lost to one another. When Marvin Hagler was only gone really beat all of them dudes and some people argue that he beat sugary Linda too. I think everyone related to Marvin Hagler would argue that he beat Sugar Ray Leonard in that fight. But he was another guy that, you know, maybe not on the same level, but he had a hard time getting fights for a lot of years. You know, in a way, you've had two big fire, at least two titles, two title reigns and two divisions, but can you relate to that a little bit like just struggling to get those big fights made? I definitely could relate, but you got to realize these fighters, they don't lose it. Taking the L on they record. It's not something that they want to sign up for. So they gonna say no to fighters like me and like you said Marvin Hagler because they know what they're dealing with. That's a really hard fight to win. At the end of the day, I don't know. Everybody knew what they signed up to fight. Marvin Hagler, he was Gritty tough. What's going to put punishment? And he knew how to win. So at the end of the day, I'm fighting like us. It's going to be hard for a lot of people to sign up to fighters and goes along with the bigger fighters in the division too. I'm interested to see if they say yes to me too, because at the end of the day, I'm a bad motherfucker when they come to this boxing shit. Ray latter once told me that he said after the fight with hagler, he saw him at some event in Vegas and he went up to him. He said, you know, Marvin, let's do the remax. Let's do the rematch and hagler looked at him and said, get a life ray. That guy when he, when he made up his mind, he was done. He was done. He got robbed, right? He did. He did. He wasn't given ray the rematch. He went off to live in Italy and do B movies and whatever the hell he was doing over there. When I was a kid and I saw him on the TV, I went to Italy for a tournament. Actually a training camp before I turned to me. And I'm right there on watching TV. I don't know why I'm even watching TV. I don't understand TV, but I swear he popped up on the screen. I'm like, yo, look at him. It's so great. He was in so many weird movies. It later on in life, and he lived haply ever after over there for a long time. The belts that you're after are going to be on the line may 20th. Like, what's your mindset watching that? Like, are you, I know you're friendly with Devin under the same promotional banner as Loma. If Devin wins, I think we both agree he's gone. Like he's gonna go up to one 40 and try different things. So if he won, you'd have a chance at a vacant title. If Loma wins, like you could conceivably fight for all four belts in your next fight. Like, do you have a rooting interest in that fight? No, I really don't. I'm real at the end of the day, so I'm not going to go against the grain. Just because, you know, the situations will be better for me. I still would like to see Devin when I fight. Like you said, I was cool with him. But if he do wins and he decides to stay at one 35, I'm definitely down for a big fight and if he wanted to give me an opportunity I can build something. I definitely would enjoy that fight and I would enjoy becoming a champion. Yeah, that'd be a great fight at one 35. Even one 40. I know you've said in the past, maybe you guys will meet that next weight class, but it's a great fight either way. Last thing for you, we saw with top ranked last weekend robes Ramirez won his first title at one 26. You fought him in the Olympics. I know how much that loss hurt you. I was there in Rio, talking to you after that loss. Is that is a fight with Ramirez in the pros on your mind? And no, because it's all dependent on how big he gets. right now, it's weird though 'cause we was close to the same weight when I seen him in Vegas, but me right now. I know what level I'm on. I know who I am, so I'm not like fiending for it, but I would love to get in the ring. I even ask, could I spar home just to, you know, just get in the ring again, you know, see what's going on, but happy for him. He did with his thing. It ain't taking nothing. I can't take nothing away from him, but good for him. I'm proud of him. He's a good friend and I can't wait to get a chance to let me get some smart and then I wasn't doing that. You got a fatten him up, man. Get him up to one 30, one 35, so top rank can make that funny. He was in a gym with me at like shadow box when he was training. They got like a video of us. We was like four pounds away from each other. He told people his weight and I thought to myself I'm like, man, we close to the same weight. So it's like, I mean, if it came down to it, I would definitely be down. But I know he's like a little guy. He's not getting no big. I know he's going to stay at one 26 for as long as he can. But I'll be at one 35 for a really long time, so. Yeah, one 35. First fight, this Saturday back in Newark back on ESPN against shishir yoshino. Shakur always good to catch up, man. Good to see you. Yeah, good to see you too. All
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"spence crawford" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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I mean, yeah and no, I mean, I think that boxing lets certain fighters get away with ducking. I think that if it was me, black young fighter saying no to fights, I think that they were broadcasted and tell the whole world that I was scared. Like they did Floyd when he before he for a peck yeah. I mean, you've said you were okay with Cambodia's passing on that fight because of you already had two fights with Devin. Was there one guy that passed that really pissed you off? I think it was two guys. I think Isaac Cruz pissed me off because of the fact that his excuse was that I was going to be running and you seen my last few fights. I've been standing in the pocket. I'm being people love. So I disagree with that. So that kind of pissed me off. My next fight, I mean, the next one that piss me off was a pay to. I think the pay to piss me off because if he was really looking for an opportunity, a fight versus me would have been a perfect opportunity and it seemed like he wanted to fight, it just seemed like De La Hoya didn't want to allow the fight to happen, but I think that's where he got to put his foot down and let them know that that fight is definitely happening and they can't do nothing about it. Cruz is weird, man. He's got a little Raleigh Romero to him where he thinks that he deserves something because he lost to javonte Davis. He's gotten a little kind of big for his britches, I feel like since he lost that fight to javonte. I would love though Shakur. Someday, hopefully soon. You and zapata would be fun. Like that is a great clash of styles, I think. So pay to throw a million punches, you're as skilled as they get in any weight class. Like that to me is one of the most fun fights you can make in lightweight. I agree with that. I think that me and him be a real, real fun fight. It'll be an entertaining, exciting fight because of the fact that he's going to push the pace and try to bring the pressure and nothing that I'm bringing. He would think in his brain would stop him until he get up in the ring. He looked real confident. Yeah. Yeah, I bet. I mean, for you, when you have so many guys kind of say no, does it make it harder at all to kind of train for a fight like this to get up for a fight like this? Nah, not at all. I think that I'm the type of person I don't listen to narratives. I told you I'm a lot. Well, why is it that I was? Years ago, so I don't listen to narratives that, oh, this guy is not good. That's how upsets happen. That's how you see some big upsets happening in boxing. A lot of people wouldn't have known that Anthony Joshua would have lost to Andy Ruiz, a lot of people would have felt, oh, easy fight. Then you get in there and you believe a narrative that this guy is not as good as they saying, you know, everybody saying he's not that good and you believe that same narrative. You going there and you be lackadaisical and you let off the gas so I don't listen to narratives. I think this dude is, he may be the toughest opponent of my life, whoever would know until you get in the ring with somebody. You don't know how much he trained the high and JP will be, so I got to take home as I'm fighting the biggest fight of my life right now, and that's how I look at this fight. So it's not hard to stay motivated at all. He's got some legit power. That's for sure at least he's shown that in recent fights. I've heard you say in interviews recently that you're focused right now is on a completely different level. Explain that to me. Why is your focus so much better right now? I think that my focus got a lot better with. Just paying attention to my daughter and looking at her and knowingly like, I want to provide for her for the rest of her life and make sure that she's good forever. And honestly, I've just been sitting down thinking, and I've been seeing boxing been going up to a different level now. I've been seeing all the guys fighting each other and I get motivated. I want to be the best, so I wanted to fight it. I want to prove that I'm the best. I want to be the best. I'm not scared of taking any risks when it comes to it and I think right now it's the time time is getting a lot closer now. I'm 25, them big fights is really close. Happy maybe next fight or next year, so I got to be on the top of my a game and I think that's what's been making my focus a lot more up. What's your favorite thing about being a father? Favorite thing about being a father, I mean, I don't really got no favorite thing because at the end of the day. I'm just enjoying the moment. I'm just enjoying watching her grow every single day, so. Maybe favorite thing is her smile. I got dimples and my daughter got dimples too. So it's a beautiful thing when she's like smiling and happy and that's like some of the best movements that I be having. What's your least favorite thing? Changing diapers. Change the diapers. It's my least favorite for sure. As I mentioned, your first fight now at lightweight. When did you know that you were done at a 130 pounds? When I didn't make weight, but I honestly like looking at it looking back on it now, I had some disciplines that I got to take on. I had a 6 week camp. I didn't have like a long camp. You know, I'm always training year round, but being that I was big for the weight class. I shouldn't have had 6 week camp. I should have did a long account. And cut that weight the right way. So I take fall and my mess ups and I can't look back on it and dwell on it though, so it happened. I'm moving on, but I think it was my fault that I didn't make the way. And I honestly feel like if I had to go back down to one 30, I can, but I wouldn't do it unless it's like a big, big fight, but all the big fights at one 35. So the little guys
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"Thing I want to talk about, band Rodriguez, back on Saturday, dropping down in weight. You don't often see this in boxing where a title holder drops down in weight in pursuit of another world championship usually. It's the other way around. Bam Rodriguez is going down to one 12 to face Christopher Gonzalez. And look, I'm pretty optimistic that bam is going to be fine, but look, it doesn't always, it's not always successful where guys drop down and wait and have the same level of success. I mean, many Pacquiao did it. Years ago, Nonito Donaire, more recently, he did it, dropping down and wait, but you've got some high profile examples of failure, Chad Dawson famously went to one 68 and got beat up by Andre ward. Glenn Johnson, I think it's done a couple of times. So what are your thoughts on bam going back down to one 12 for world title fight? Well, first off, this is going to be his first full fledged world title that he's fighting for because the last title was, of course, with the nonsense WBC franchise title held by Juan Francisco and strada for no reason seemingly at all other than extra sanctions. So I like it and he calls one 12 is now heating up, especially on the matching sign. I mean, sunny Edwards is a fantastic fighter and a great personality. I would love to see sunny Edwards against Vanguard where you guys still have Julio Cesar Martinez out there with matchroom at one 12 with a title. So I think demo rega is certainly going to be in a big unification fight later this year. Well, you're right. It doesn't always work out. I mean, I think the example that comes to me is after the Ohio draining themselves to fight that one 47, looking like a zombie and you're getting absolutely eviscerated. And then of course, Roy Jones junior after he beat John Reese at heavyweight when a title comes back and gets completely iced by tartar one 75. So look, this isn't as big a jump, but it's not about the three pounds. It's more percentages. So it's not the easiest thing in the world. But it's not fighting a live body. I think bamberg is like a 30 to one favorite or something wild. I'm sure he'll be fine. Yeah, these 23 years old, so that works in his favor. A lot of these will lose weight at 23 that is a 33. That's for sure. Certainly at 43, I can attest to that. And I think it's a smart play for the reasons that you outlined. There's money at one 12 now. This money at one 15, but he's got his brother there trying to do his thing and at one 12 you can make some marketable fights. Sonny Edwards is a solid unification fight. I personally would prefer a Martinez fight because I think that's like rock them sock them robot. That's a far more aesthetically appealing fight than sunny Edwards, which would be, I think, more of a chess match and a boxing match than the brawl that Martinez would be. But both those are good fights. Sonny Edwards now just signed with mattress as you said, Julius Caesar Martinez associated with matchroom as well. They're both big time fights. But look, bam Rodriguez was at the very least top 5 for fighter of the year last year. It's the kind of year where, you know, he's fighting out early April. He could be fighter of the year this year, too. If he gets a couple of unification fights. Yeah, if he gets out of TV's Edwards and Martinez and ends up with the year with three titles in one 12 and victors over those two guys, absolutely. And I see your point on the Martinez fight, but look, we know who wins that fight. There's no reasonable way to see Martinez beating them Rodriguez. Some of the Edwards on the other hand, I think it's very underrated. He's a defensive master. And I don't think necessarily is the worst fight in my opinion. Stylistically, I think Denmark Riga has shown that he's willing to come forward and press the fight and Sonny Edwards will be on the back foot trying to jab and usually I like those boxer versus pressure fighter style clashes. So and then lead up too. How great would the lead up be with Johnny ogre's trash talk? So, yeah, we're just trash talk is weird, bad. Why does brother at some point like is that is that a shtick or do you think that's real? Like sunny Edwards versus Charlie Edwards, like they're, they seem to be have, it seems kind of real to me when I follow it on social media. I mean, I wish we could get one of those fights at some point, you know, the realest talk about the Klitschko's fighting each other. And then you have the Marquess book. I don't want to see brothers beat the shit out of each other. I don't need to see that. I mean, who wants to see family members club reach us? It's not Jerry Springer. Like I want to see these guys go toe to toe. Without all masochists, we're working in the boxing industry. I mean, you wouldn't have how big would Vladimir Putin go versus bat cushion. A little bit huge. I remember, I remember like ten years ago, I was on like PlayStation or something like that. And I started tweeting out live commentary of Klitschko versus Klitschko from Fight Night. Whatever the last fight I was. And it was shocking how many people engaged on it. Like, wow, I can't believe I'm following along a fake fight on a video game. But it would have been massive. No doubt about it. I mean, Sonny Edwards, I mean, how big is he in the UK, Charlie Edwards, how big is he in the UK? I don't expect that fight if it ever happened to be a brawl, like maybe the Klitschko's would turn into Charlotte so you can imagine those two guys going at each other. But I don't know. I don't get hyped up for Edwards versus Edwards. In fact, I think it's kind of weird. Well, I'm mostly joking. Yeah, you're right about that. You don't want to see brothers hurt each other and it's probably a boring fight because it probably won't want to. Let's just ultra competitive. But we're missing the obvious angle here, Chris, right? You work for the zone. Tag team boxing. Sonny Edwards and Charlie Edwards against bam Rodriguez and Frank. There you go. That's your next fight. Oh my God. Could you imagine, I mean, tag team boxing is now a thing on his own. I can't believe that commissions in the UK agreed to allow it. I don't imagine that Nevada New York or even Texas would allow it, but. Texas won't allow it? I don't know, man. That's another thing. You got a concussion, so you tag your brother in. I mean, it's not WWE. Oh God, my body's broken from a frog splash. I gotta get up. I don't know. We saw some serious injuries on WrestleMania this weekend. I don't know about that. Those guys are those guys are wild, man. Those guys, they get it done. They get it done. Shane McMahon, that was a weird one. But that's a story for another day. Follow my on Twitter at my copy to read his stuff over at ESPN dot com. Always good to catch up, Mike, thanks for the insight. All right, thanks for having me, Chris. And when we come back, my conversation with Shakur Stevenson. Are you looking to take the next step in your career? Maybe you want to learn new skills, break into a different industry or just make more money. Marymount university's graduate degrees help you find your next. With approachable hardworking professors actively networking in their fields. They will set you up for whatever your next may be. Customize your degree to fit your needs and walk away with connections in your field. Marymount university graduate school. Preparing you for what's next. Check them out. At marymount dot EDU slash grad for more information. Swing for the fences, with bet MGM, an official sports betting partner of Major League Baseball. 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"spence crawford" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Joyce's mowed him down in the second half of that fight. So hopefully we get it. I think fury Joyce is a great fight. I think Joshua white would be a great fight in the summertime and maybe you can start to build a little more towards a theory and AJ clash. What are the thing that was in the news this week was we got an announcement of the undercard for Ryan García against tank Davis. I didn't have huge expectations Mike because when you have a fight that cost this much money, the undercard generally pays the price for it and I think that's what we're seeing here. I do like the Gabe rosado back to your cousy of rematch. I'm shocked, frankly, like Gabe has been telling me for years, man. But he wasn't going to take that fight. You had no interest in facing back to marilla Cruz you have again. They must have made him an offer. He couldn't refuse to get on that card, but David morrell is in kind of a walk over fight. Elijah Garcia there. He should win that fight. I think if I was grading it, I'd call it probably a C or a C minus level undercard. What do you think? I mean, I've given up on expecting good undercards at this point in boxing. Like you said, it's the financial issue with how much money is being allocated to the main event, especially in this fight. And you know, you and I, you ask any promoter, they always say the same thing, right? Nobody's voting for the undercard. So promote promoters and boxing right now have decided that they don't really have to put a lot of effort. And I'm not saying that any one promoter, but just collectively, that's not really a point of emphasis for them. I mean, I think the Lucas Matisse, I Danny Garcia co feature, to me with a Canelo. That to me was probably the last great co feature fight on a pay per view. And a major one at that. I don't know if we're ever seeing that one again. So well, I will say, you know, we have a lot of fights that don't belong on pay per view. And this one does at least belong there. I have no way to pay for this one. No, none whatsoever. It's going to be a great fight. Don't blink, see what happens. Top of the card and I'm looking forward to watching that one for sure. All right, so this weekend, we've got Shakur Stevenson back in action, he is making his debut at a 135 pounds at two division world champion one 26, one 30, missed weight in his last fight against ropes and could say so, but he moves up to one 35, look, he asked everybody to fight him, you know, couldn't get anybody to say yes to him. So now he's got to settle on kind of a homecoming fight in New Jersey against your zero, yoshino. I guess the question is, are your expectations for Shakur Stevenson at one 35 to be as effective as he was at one 26 and one 30? Absolutely. I think score Stevenson is going to be the pound for pound king. I don't know when that's going to happen, but everyone you talk to unboxing says the same thing. This guy is a cam is fighter. By all counts, trains really hard and doesn't have any issues there. It's an incredible talent. And he just hasn't had the opponents to prove it. And like you said, I don't think it's any fault of his own. He's been calling for these fights, but you know, I think people see how hard it is to look good against him. He's arguably the best defensive fighter in all of boxing. He's only getting better. And he's kind of a big guy. Big frames. I think he's going to even go higher than one 35. I think we'll see him at one 47. Sports all said and done. But I do believe, yeah, I do believe that. This is kind of a homecoming fight, hard to get excited about this one. But maybe it's a good showcase for Shakur and hopefully we get your core against either Devin Haney or silicon schenk at some point. Yeah, what's your take on that? Because I'm of the belief that if handy wins he's gone, like he's going up to one 40, he's not gonna try to make one 35 anymore. I don't think there's a real interest in team haney's camp in a Shakur fight at this point, not that there never would be, but I think Devin is outgrowing this weight class rapidly. I think he's staying because he's always wanted to fight lomachenko and he believes wholeheartedly that he will beat lomachenko. I don't think he has that feeling. At least in terms of passion to fight someone against Shakur Stevenson. Loam, I think we'll fight him. Like if Loma comes out of this fight with the win, he'll go straight into a Shakur fight. Loma doesn't want any kind of tune up fights. He wants big time marketable money making fights. Is that your read on it too? I was with Devin Haney last week in LA. I asked him this question. I'll Shakur. He said that he's going to wait and see how his body feels after the fight. He said he's open to fighting at one 35 again, but he just wants to see how it feels. And he says, it's a big, big fight, obviously. But I do wonder, you know, we've heard, you know, bob arum saying in the past, many times the marination thing. Is this fight for how much is going to cost? And how risky this both sides is this really the right time for this fight? Of course I want to see the fight, but I'm saying from the promoter standpoint. Are they really going to try to deliver a fight? What do you think? I don't, because Devin's made a ton of money the last couple of years. I mean, they had to go to Australia a couple of times, but he was paid very, very well to do that. He is being well compensated for this level Jacko fight. Every time Shakur fights his price goes up, like he's becoming an expensive guy. I just don't think that the pay per view buys would be there yet for Devin Haney, Shakur Stevenson said, look, they're both in their mid 20s. Look, I'm all for making big fights happen sooner rather than later. But I don't mind waiting another year to see that fight potentially. I wonder, though, I do think uncle Eddie is going to be calling young Devin Haney when this next fight with lomachenko is over because that is kind of a player now, not the top rank isn't, but they just kind of a player now in a 140 pound division as well. The zone quote side of the street could also include Ryan García in the foreseeable future at one 40. I think Eddie Hearn is going to make a play for Devin Haney. But Devin's been smart in doing these kind of short term deals. Two and three fight deals that give him some flexibility within a couple of years to do whatever fight he wants and I love that. You know, we see that a lot with veteran fighters, Floyd Mayweather did that. Miguel cotto did that. Manny Pacquiao a certain degree did that, but guys Devin's age, don't often have the kind of control over their career that they should. But Devin Haney has that. So even if he goes to Andy, I think a score fight is likely down the line. I just think, from every time I talk to people around haney, all I hear about is how tough it is to make this weight. And I remember seeing him in the second fight against campos, and you saw him at the way in man. Like you saw his face, like it was so drawn. He wore sunglasses the entire time. To his credit he's making the weight. Like, incredible. He's professional, but I don't get the sense he wants to do that anymore after this fight. I think lomachenko and then one 40 here he comes. Yeah, and I agree. Full credit to Devin, taking control of his career because he gets to fight whoever he wants to fight, really. And if he does stay with the top rank for more fight, I mean, how big is a Devin Haney versus Josh Taylor if I later this year or even TV will open? I said, Josh hill, she's a favorite. But haney, if you beat someone with angle versus the winner of Taylor versus Lopez at one 40, I think is not a monster commercial fight, but it's a monster fight for boxing fence. Oh, it's huge. And then if you're Devin Haiti, you can start talking about Ryan García. Those two guys have been circling each other since the amateur days. They fought 5 times in the amateurs. You know, whatever happens with Ryan tech, I mean, imagine if Ryan beat tanked. Haney fight would be even bigger at that point, but it's gonna be big no matter what and there are a lot of good options for him at one 40. I mean, Regis progra is kind of just out there. I think everyone's gonna find Regis program. You might just, you know, just be hanging out for the rest of his career. Just sort of doing nothing. But that's a big fight. Yeah, if I'm Devin Haney, I'm continuing to do exactly what I've been doing. He was kind of a showtime fighter early on that wasn't affiliated with PBC. He goes to match room, makes a bunch of money, wins a world title. He goes to top rank, gets two big paydays and the undisputed championship at one 35, and now in his mid 20s, do whatever he wants. Like I just, it's incredible. Kudos to Devin Haney and his team for doing it that the way they did, but we'll see what happens with him
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"Yeah, I just don't think he's ever going to trust his chin again. You know, whether that happened with the Ruiz knockout or whether the seeds were planted two fights earlier, what he fought Vladimir Klitschko, because Klitschko, that was a war. And even though he Anthony Joshua came out on top of it, I've said this before. Joshua came out of that fight saying to people, I don't want to fight like that anymore. I don't want to be in those types of fights. That felt like the day the destroyer that we'd seen for so many years was kind of gone from existence. I don't get the sense that Eddie Hearn Barry Hearn, the people involved in Joshua's career, are that motivated to make a fury fight happen. Maybe Joshua can push it. Maybe Josh would say, look, now's the time. We got to get it done. But I mean, before this past fight, I would have made fury a substantial favorite against Joshua. Now I make them even bigger favorite. Like, Tyson Fury against this version of Anthony Joshua. He wins. And he wins convincingly, and he might even stop him. You know, if Joshua engages on a certain level, I just think matchroom and Joshua are crazy. If they don't take at least one more fight before going into a mega fight against fury or Deontay Wilder. Yeah, I mean, the fury Joshua fight for as long as they're relevant and probably going to be a long time, especially in the UK. It's going to be a mega fight, right? I don't think you're going back to your expense crawler to question. I don't think it's all that compelling. I'm not dying to see Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. I would much rather see Anthony Joshua and Beyoncé wilder. He calls wilder has vulnerabilities, too. And maybe what you have Joshua gets a big puncher, you have Joshua, maybe outboxing wilder. Well, he starts to stay away from wilder's big shot. I just don't see what Joshua can do against Tyson theory. Because even Vladimir Klitschko, we talked about the early that version where your safety first. It was very effective, the way he did it. He would tangle you up wrestle you and it was boring, but he would win rounds with ease and Joshua. I thought he wanted to. So yeah, he won, but Jermaine is your main Franklin really all that good. I mean, maybe you get Joshua, a fight with Billy and white. I'm sir Joshua beats Billy and white. But where does he go from here? Yeah, you know, both Vladimir Klitschko and Lennox Lewis benefit from manual Stewart. Like Emmanuel Stewart people still alive today would have been a great coach for Anthony Joshua because he would have taught him that Vladimir Lennox style and it would have been boring, but it would have been more effective. And he probably would pick up some knockouts. Like, let's go over the years. They weren't spectacular, they weren't wars, but he was winning some fights by knockout because he'd land that big right hand behind a sharp jab and he'd get guys out of there. Joshua, you look, Derek James, I want to give him more than one training camp with AJ to put any kind of stamp on it. But there are James isn't trained guys like Emmanuel Stewart did at least not heavyweights like a manual Stewart. I don't know if there's a solution here to get AJ to a level. He's 33 years old, too. To get him to that level where he can compete at a wilder fury level. Yeah, and watching a fight on Saturday, it seems like Joshua was very effective at times. Like when he would the very rare instances where he doubled up on the jab, I thought he did well. But then he would just go back to throwing one jab here. 15 seconds later it would be another jab. A few different times. He was digging to the body and I thought that was pretty effective as well. But it just didn't seem like he could commit to doubling up the jab and pumping it up. And like you said with Klitschko, he would soften you up with a jab over 12 rounds and then kind of like by the championship rounds, you were so bruised up, you just finished you off at the right hands. Yeah, and for Joshua, I didn't see enough body work in that fight. And going to the body, it's very effective. It could be a great strategy, but you do expose yourself a little bit. This goes back to the chin thing. I just don't think AJ wants to leave that chin exposed anymore. I just don't think he believes that after the Ruiz knockout and getting buckled a couple of times by usyk in their fights. I don't think he wants to do it. I just don't think he wants to engage. I think he wants to try to win fights behind a decent jab, the occasional right hand, and if he gets a guy hurt, maybe he can finish him off. But Jermaine Franklin was never in trouble. In that fight. He was beaten, fair and square. Joshua fair play to him, but Jermaine Franklin was never in trouble. I do think the dillian white fight makes a lot of sense. Like Dylan white, look, I think dilly and white is more gone than AJ at this point. Like dillion's been knocked out in a couple of fights in the last few years, but we can got him, Tyson Fury got him. This is not the same guy that Joshua fought 7 8 years ago either. I think that's the perfect opponent because there'll be a lot of bad blood going into that fight. Maybe that'll light a fire inside Anthony Joshua, he can go back to Texas, keep working with Derek James for another three months. And then you can have a big domestic fight, maybe at Wembley Stadium between two popular guys in the UK. And that's a fight I think if AJ wins, and he could win spectacularly. I mean, white didn't learn how to block the uppercut. That's still there. That's still available to opponents. If he can win by spectacular knockout, maybe that will be the kind of confidence boost he needs to push him towards a fury fight. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think that's the right fight. I mean, that was an excellent fight when I think I met it in 2015 or 2016. Does an excellent fight doing white her Josh wouldn't that fight? Joshua knocked him out. I believe in round 7. But you know, I think the British heavyweight that we should be talking about when it's not Tyson Fury is really Joe Joyce. I'm so impressed by him and I want to see what I can do. Yeah, I don't think AJ wants any part of that though right now. Like Joe Joyce has a granite chin and walks you down. Like that's not a fight I'd be looking for if I was Eddie Hearn and Anthony Joshua. I mean, look, we've heard talk about Joe Joyce against Tyson Fury. You buying any of that? Like Tyson Fury still without a dance partner, no mandatory for him at the moment. Are you buying that fury Joyce could happen this summer? I am buying that. I think there's a, I think there's a better than good chance that we see either fury versus UC or fury versus Joe Joyce this year. I'd be surprised if we got out of 2023 without at least one of those matchups. And I think Joe Joyce is really, I want to say close to an excellent fighter. I mean, you know, he doesn't have the prettiest this or that, but like you said, it's like blunt force trauma with him. He's just rolling right forward. It seems like it doesn't matter how many punches he takes. They just bounce off and I think that's a tough bike for anybody right now. It's going to be a lot of fun watching him fight zen. Next week. So more Joe Joyce and I want to say, usyk, I don't think that would have been necessarily the easiest fight for using when he was supposed to fight Joe Joyce. I might loom tour Joe Joyce and I won. Call me crazy. I think he was sick because he's always in tremendous shape and he moves well and he's comfortable going the distance and those types of fights. I'd probably make him the favorite because I think he'd stay out of the way more than Joseph Parker did and more than some of the other guys that Joyce has fought did, but you have to be in 12 round shape to fight Joe Jones because he's gonna keep coming. I remember watching the Parker fight and it just amazed me. Parker would land accommodation and then he'd get out thinking they have a couple of seconds to kind of regroup. Joyce was right there right back on top of him and kept wearing them down and wearing them down and Parker's got a good chin. He went 12 with
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"Crawford Errol Spence fight is a done deal for June 17th in Las Vegas. There have been rumors, substantial ones, substantiated ones, that the two sides have re-engaged over the last few weeks. But this is the first we've heard that they've reached an agreement on a deal. What do you make of this and where do you think we stand with Spence Crawford as we record? I don't believe there is a done deal. I was told emphatically that there is no done deal that the talks are continuing. I reported it on ESPN. I believe last month, that proper and expense have been really engaging, as you said, that they got on the phone together and hammered out what they felt was a fair first split on the phone together. But there's no deal really until this thing gets papered and they agree on everything. Look how far along we were last time, right? They had agreed to pretty much everything outside of the transparency that Crawford wanted that he felt wasn't there because he was working off of a per split and not a guarantee. So, and I also told that the June 17th date is not even the working date. That's what I was told. By somebody directly involved. So we'll see. Let's hope. And just like you, Chris, I don't think I'm going to believe this fight is happening until they're actually in the ring. Forget about the way in. Yeah, I agree. You legitimately got to have an official announcement to believe this fight is happening. It even then get in the ring fellas. I would say, I do know that Alexis Rocha, who is the mandatory for bud Crawford's 147 pound title, is under the impression that Spence Crawford is happening. I've spoken to people close to roach who have said to me that they are planning another fight for late May with the hopes that they'll get a world title shot against Crawford, bacon belt spent, whatever. Later in the year. So that tells me there's something here, Mike. There's some traction here that hasn't been there, not since last year when they first started negotiating. It made me wonder, this is pure speculation on my part, but it made me wonder. Maybe bud Crawford got a look at some of the financials that he would be facing in a fight with Alexis Rocha. Like, it's a fine fight. It's a mandatory fight, but it's not a ton of money there. At least not guaranteed for bud Crawford to fight Alexis roaches. Made me wonder if that caused Crawford to re-engage on this spend stuff. Yeah, I mean, there's only so many players that can come in from the outside with crazy bundles of money, right? For matchups that aren't anywhere near 50 50. So and so from everything I've heard, there is a lot of optimism that is going to happen this time around. I mean, Spanish was prepared to fight Keith Thurman at a 154 pounds. They've even notified the WBA. That was happening. I was never announced. So yeah, Crawford spends have been talking they're trying. I just don't think it's at a point right now where we could say this is done. But let's hope. Do you think, yeah, do you think if it does get done and now we're just kind of at the guessing territory if it does get done? But if it does, like, is this still a compelling fight? Like we know it's a major event. It will be one of the biggest fights in all of boxing. Right up there with tank Ryan early in the year, if Canelo fights Benavidez later, whatever happens, the rest of 2023. That's a major event. It's certainly the biggest fight that can be made pound for pound guys in the welterweight division. But Crawford's 36 years old and he has been a once a year fighter for really the last four years. Spence just turned 33 and ironically, he will have a longer layoff than Crawford would be coming off because he hasn't fought since last April when he beat your Danish ugas and he really hasn't been the same guy since the first car accident. A major car accident. He had another car accident. He had an eye injury a couple of years ago. Like my Mayweather Pacquiao tingle Mike is kind of going off here when it comes to Spence Crawford. Do you feel like it's still, we're still within that window where this is a great fight in the ring and not just a great event outside it. I mean, you certainly make some great points about the inactivity of bullfighters. There are advanced none other advanced age, but they're advancing ages, but I think it is still very much compelling fight given their style clash, given how much these guys like to mix it up in action fights, you never see either guy on a boring fight that I can remember. Crawford looks really good against I think a solid welterweight and David have an SE in December, spectacular knockout, I don't know how many people saw it, but it happens. I don't think I do. Well, they saw the knockout. I got a pretty good idea. We know they saw the I think I know, I think I know how many people bought on pay per view, but I'll leave that alone. But, you know, Errol Spence is a top fighter. That was a great win. He stops him. And I think if corporate fight spends, it's going to look Spencer is going to be trying to work on the inside, you know, exert his strength in there, exert a size, Terrence Crawford is a switch hitter. I think it's a great right. But it's got to happen this year. Yeah, that's the window. If you had look, again, at this point, we're now both acknowledging their talking gut feeling. Do we get it? Does this get done before the end of the year? I'm going to say yes. But I would have said yes, if you said the same thing to me last, one year ago, but given how many times now they've been down this road, you have to feel like they're going a second third time around. That's got to be more bad. Remember people are Pacquiao? They have been and talks didn't happen. Back and talks, nothing. And then finally it got done. And I think the same for fury reducing where you had the failed talks this time around, Amy gets done for later in the year. There's at least a foundation to build on, right? Yeah, and again, the roach of thing is interesting to me because he had the power to enforce his mandatory status. Like, he could force a purse bid. That never came to fruition. I don't know all the details behind it. But the fact that Alexis Rocha is looking at other fights for may, that tells me there's something substantive. Some meat on the bone here with Spence Crawford finally getting to that point. So we'll see, hopefully, for everybody, it gets across that finish line. All right, I want to talk about the Anthony Joshua fight this past weekend. Joshua turned the first time since his second loss to Alexander usuki gets a decision win over Jermaine Franklin. I gotta be honest, Mike. I wasn't that impressed with Joshua. Like I went into that fight, believing this was a guy that didn't trust his chin. I finished watching that fight, believing this was a guy that doesn't trust his chin. Everything he threw with power was one shot and get out of the way, block, he didn't engage like the Joshua we've seen engage against Charles Martin and dilly and white and Vladimir Klitschko. It feels like that guy's gone. He's on his third trainer now in his last three fights. They got the job done. They got the win, but I didn't walk away from that thinking Anthony Joshua is back on top of the heavyweight division. In fact, I walked away from that thinking, man. If Deontay Wilder was going to get Anthony Joshua in a fight, now's the time. If Tyson Fury wants Anthony Joshua to fight, now's the time. Not for Anthony Joshua. But for wilder and for fury, what did you think? For me, it is eerie how similar this situation, this version of Joshua reminds me of compared to the early 2000s version of Vladimir Klitschko after that knock on launch the Corey Sanders and then again after the Lehman Brewster wasp, where clinch going Joshua bowl, jab and grab similar sizes, both 6 6, like two 50, safety first. They don't want to jump into the spaces necessary to both score knockouts and take those kind of damaging punches. And I don't think coach Weber regained the confidence in his chin and certainly Joshua hasn't since that first knockout loss to Randy or reason June 2019. I mean, even go back to his last knockout win of Kubernetes in December 2020. I can not fight it seems like every time pool I've landed a decent shot, Joshua was a little skittish and maybe this is like the baseball, the boxing version of the yips that we've seen with chuck knoblauch and tickers in the NFL where he just can't get past the mental block. I don't know.
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"I don't get it either. You know, in the first quarter or first half of 2023, that's it. You've got options on the table. You mentioned the weight too. I don't even know if he can make middleweight anymore. I believe this upcoming fight is going to be at a catch weight as well. Some were above one 60. And he's talked about going back down to middleweight for one more fight, a world title fight before campaigning at one 68. Like my nightmare Keith is he wakes up early next year. I'm a super middleweight, and then starts taking tune up fights at super middleweight. After taking two of fights at middleweight the entire time. It just doesn't make it doesn't make any sense. The fight as we just alluded to to make is Gennady Golovkin. That is the massive fight for Jaime mongeau. It's marketable. I think it's kind of a 50 50 fight right now. Maybe probably favors mongi at this point given what we saw from golovkin in the last fight, because mongeau has improved a lot over the last few years. He's a much better offensive fighter than he was early on and he was always pretty good offensively. His chin, a lot of his opponents have told me is really good. I think that'll hold up against some bigger punchers. This is his time. This is opportunity. I mean, you see Canelo out there and people nitpick who Canelo fights, but Canelo is always like, I want to fight the very best. I'm going after all the title holders. I want to rematch with Dmitry beeville next year. Meanwhile, you got mongeau doesn't seem to be chasing anything. Just sort of chasing a paycheck, which is fine, I guess, if you wanted to get paid and keep your unblemished record intact, but it's just getting old at this point. Everybody knows it. I mean, I think golden boy knows it at this point. I'm sure that, you know, the TV networks know it at this point. It's just, and sometimes enough is enough. It's time to say, you're going to fight somebody big or go somewhere else. And the other thing that's frustrating about it, Chris, as you mentioned, he's a good fighter. I mean, particularly from an offensive standpoint, he is very good. He's entertaining to watch and he's got what seems to be a granite chin up book that'll crack at some point against the wrong guy, but he's a talented guy who's a fan friendly fighter who seemingly should have confidence, which is what makes it so frustrating that he's fighting the kinds of guys that he's been fighting. Yeah, it's crazy. I don't even know what the odds are for this upcoming fight. They're probably massive against Korea, but next year is big. I hope he and golovkin get on the same even if it's for like one version of galactic's title if he has to drop the other one because he takes the fight. That is a huge, huge fight and a marketable one and a great one. I hope we get to see that. Next year. Finally, let's talk a little bit about where we are with tank Davis and Ryan García. I've been reporting a lot on this over the last couple of weeks. And my understanding is, from a contract standpoint, and now television logistics standpoint, they're basically there. They're right there with this fight. They agree with the financial terms a while ago. That was something that was remarkably one of the first things they were able to do. I think Ryan García's side was pretty amenable to being the B side and virtually every possible way. And I think that helped grease the wheels a little bit to get this deal done. The television side took a lot more time, but from what I understand, it is going to be some version of a co pay per view between showtime and his own, which is what it always should have been, Keith. I made this, I was talking to somebody and I kind of made this analogy because I think fighters should love the idea of co pay per views, because they get all the assets that both companies have, pushing people to buy that fight and presumably pushing their purses up or the total pay per view buys up as well. It's like someone from the Lakers being like, no, being offered to be put on TNT and ESPN and them saying no, if you're the athlete, you say yes, you want them all. I get why promoters don't want to do co promotions. I get why networks don't want to do co pay per views. But if you're a fighter, you want this. You want as much exposure digitally and linear as you can possibly get. So I think they're there in a list. I think the big question now, as we record this on Thursday morning, is what will the date be? They initially had been targeting a date in January. That could wind up being pushed into the early part of the spring. But I can say this pretty confidently. That when it comes to all the major deal points, including how it's going to be broadcast. This deal is basically done. So I'll ask you this kids. This is my reporting. I'm kind of putting out there. In the aftermath of Crawford Spence failing spectacularly and devolving into a weird Instagram, whatever turns cropper did that a Twitter fight where they talk about hedge funds and all this other crap. Does it surprise you? That we are at the proverbial one yard line with Ryan García tank Davis. Yes, because we've become accustomed to these things imploding. But I would say in the aftermath and the wake of the Terrence Crawford Errol Spence thing, they needed to make this happen. The powers that being needed to make this happen more now maybe more so now than any time in recent history because you can not continue alienating the people who support this sport. In effect spitting in their face every time a big fight comes around and coming around with a multitude of reasons why from a business perspective why the fight doesn't happen because fans don't care about that. For the love of God, just give us some of the fights that we want. The defense Crawford thing, you know, that's going to linger for a long time in terms of leaving a bad taste in the mouths of people who financially support this sport. And with the fan base ever dwindling, you can't continue to turn off those people and force them to basically force them to spend their dollars and their time on other sports or other forms of entertainment. So they really needed this fight to come together. It does seem like we're on the path here, Chris towards some sort of announcement of the fight, that both fight, particularly when both fighters have been very vocal publicly about stating we want the fight. I don't care about disown. I don't care about showtime. I don't care about how nobody said that, but I don't think that's allowed. But the point is they've been very vocal about wanting a fight. And when two fighters express that type of willingness publicly to do a fight, and then it doesn't happen, and, you know, the fans are going to be bitter. And the boxing fan base is already quite bitter as we know on Twitter, you know, on the forums on our website. I mean, you know, these are these are cynical people and rightfully so, to some degree, but it looks like we're finally getting one of the fights that we really want to see. And honestly, commercially, what might be the biggest fight outside of the heavyweight division we discussed this on the podcast before that we think that tank Ryan García because there are crossover appeal and there are different audiences and everything might do more pay per view buys than Spence Crawford. It's certainly not a more meaningful fight,
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"Is a walk in the park. Nothing to him. He does it all the time. So to be interesting to see, the big question will be how much does Vargas engage in this fight? From the standpoint of the fans watching the fight, we hope there's enough engagement from him to make it interesting. But he is on too much engagement that would cause him to get knocked out by Mick style. Yeah, I agree. Very interesting fight, very good fight in a 126 pound division. All right, let me finish with this. In about ten days Al, I will be in Los Angeles for Ryan García against Javier fortuna. Garcia justifiably a big favorite in that fight fortuna was badly beaten by JoJo Diaz last year. One one fight in between but it was low level. If Ryan García wins and Ryan García looks great, I'm gonna be standing there in the ring Al and I'm talking to Ryan García about tank Davis because this is the fight that everyone wants to see in the lightweight division. Two of not the title holders, but the biggest stars, the two biggest names in the lightweight division right now are tank Davis and Ryan García. They have huge fan bases. They fight with an enormous amount of power, they're exciting every time they're in the ring on paper, it is a no brainer to make that fight, but as you know, paper doesn't always work that way. Boxing, politics, get in the way, to make fun. So let me ask you the question this way. If Garcia wins, who needs a Garcia tank Davis fight more. Ryan García or tank Davis. Well, that's an interesting way to phrase it. And I think the answer might be both because for Garcia who doesn't have a championship and who is looking for that fight that will, you know, stabbed him as one of the, as the best or one of the best lightweights, it's vital because he needs to add to his resume something that will make him more than just a marketable fighter. Tank Davis, let's be honest, he's been looking, he needs a fight against top competition in the lightweight division. The people have criticized him for not have it. And while he is, as you point out, a very exciting fighter who packs arenas is rolling along in his career, doing pay per view fights and doing decent business with them. And so his career is rolling along nicely, but what he needs is that fight that will push him over into another level. And there's no question that Garcia fight is one that can do that. And of all the lightweight machinations going on, you can make a case that from the Davis standpoint, the Garcia fight is the most makeable, the most, the one that's most possible. And as you point out, championships aside, there are two fighters that can bring a lot to this matchup in terms of the marketability of it. And also in terms of what happens inside the ring. Who does not want to see these two power punchers in the center of the ring battling it out. It's just a very appealing fight in a year in which boxing has had so many appealing fights. Last couple of years, the sport, as you well know, has made several steps forward in terms of putting a product out there that fans really like. This would be a big part of that. I agree. And it's one of the most compelling fights that you can make. It's a fight that if you put it on pay per view, I think would zoom past 500,000 I agree and review bias I agree because they are just they're just hugely popular fighters in the build up to that fight would be incredible. They're hugely popular fighters with entirely different fan bases, like the people that watch Ryan García are not the fans that watch tank Davis and vice versa. They are just, they have different fan base that would come together and coalesce for a fight of that magnitude. What I want to see Al is tank Davis be assertive over the next couple of months. You know, and I know that Ryan García is going to be vocal about making that fight happen. He is going to say it after the fight. He is going to say golden boy has to make the fight. Nothing guaranteed words don't guarantee anything. But I would really like to see tank Davis. What it's on social media, whether it's an interviews, to come out and say that's the fight, I want to make. You know, figure it out, networks, figure it out, promoters, but let's get me and Ryan García in the ring. Because if your tank Davis, you've got to be looking at Ryan García and saying, look, he's dangerous. He's got that left hook. He can knock anybody out. But he's not Canelo like he's not a pound for pound guy at this point. He's not even Devin Haney, who has more of an ability to outbox you. In a fight like that. Tank's got to be looking at Ryan saying, I can get to him. I can knock him out in a spectacular way, and I can build myself up to another level in doing it. So I guess that's what I want to see over the coming weeks and months out. The sea tank Davis be aggressive in trying to get this fight made and not settle. For honestly, not settle for, I don't even know what else is out there. Like, I don't know what he would do at this point at one 35 or one 40. The landscape is relatively barren on the PBC side of the street. So I just want to see him get aggressive out. Say I want to make this. Maybe it doesn't happen for different reasons, but I want to hear from tank Davis saying, let's make this fight happen. Well, that would certainly be an aid to making it happen. There's no question about that. And you can make a case for tank Davis. The time you want to fight Ryu Garcia is right now. For a variety of reasons. I agree. I think Ryan García is going to get better. And you mentioned the fact that, of course, he's a very powerful puncher. I think to be honest, okay? I think going with Joe gruesome is great. This is now rap on to anybody else. I just believe Joe goose is a very good boxing trainer. And I think he will help Ryan García. I think it's a very good match. But this would be the time to make this fight. It's just is the time to do it. And yeah, I hope that everyone involved in this has a posture that they want to try and make it happen. They've made efforts before, as you well know, there have been efforts to make this fight and it didn't succeed, you know, let's hope it, you know, it does this time. And the clock may be ticking too because Ryan's like, I think to what 23 years old, a tall guy. He's going to be moving up sooner rather than later. And tank probably has reached his limit at a 140 pounds. So I think if you want to make this fight at one 35, this year is the year today. Yeah, I agree. I think and I think it means that it would be one of those fights. We keep seeing these great, really good fights being made. We're hoping that spends Crawford will be announced pretty soon. There's other fights on the horizon that are potentially being made plus ones in our mate. This would just be, to me, from the sports standpoint, this would be one of those ones you'd say, okay, this puts an exclamation mark on 2020. Oh, I've Spence Crawford Al doesn't get made. I might lose it here on this show. What else are they going to do at this point? If you're Terrence Crawford and you don't cut a deal to fight aerospace, you're going to get stuck fighting Virgil Ortiz. And that's a really tough fight. If you're aero Spence and you don't fight Terence Crawford, you've got either fight boots Ennis, which is a tough fight or vacate that IVF title. So this is the time to make a champion at one disputed. Then one or both of you can move up in