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Accessibility in Education - a handful of issues to consider.......

All About Access

07:39 min | 3 months ago

Accessibility in Education - a handful of issues to consider.......

"This is the all about access podcast. So let's see what we have lined up for you today high. Pk here in this episode. I'll be talking about accessibility in education in an era where we're talking about universal education. I am surprised by the extent of ignorance that people have about some of the issues that the disabled face. When it comes to education. I'll attempt to bring a few of these issues into focus one special schools versus mainstream integration. There is always a debate about whether the disabled must be sent to special schools or attempts should be made to integrate them into normal schools. I'd say integration is always the best option not only does it build confidence in the minds of the disabled but it also enables the normal schools to become more inclusive it would allow disabled child to transition from school to move ahead with their higher education. Only pitfall here. The extent of disability a child has is a major factor that determines whether he slashed she can be considered a worthy candidate for mainstream integration on the other hand having special schools definitely provides a viable option for parents of children with severe disabilities to get some form of education. Just to mention. I've had my entire schooling in a special school. It did help a great deal. I don't think. I could have managed well in a normal school after school. However there was a brief period of uncertainty where. I was not sure that i could cope with the normal system but this was temporary. I was able to cope quite well in a matter of days. The thing to remember here. Is that every child is different. What applies to one. Child need not necessarily apply to another child with the same type of disability to special educators lack of technical knowledge. This is something that i discovered just a couple of years ago. As you know in special schools we have special educators. They are specially trained to handle different kinds of disabilities in children. These are people who have the highest level of dedication commitment and passion. Absolutely no second thoughts on that. I owe a lot of whatever. I've achieved so far in my life to the untiring efforts and love of all of my teachers in school that said i want to highlight one aspect here special. Educators might be extremely good at what they do but when it comes to subjects such as mathematics science and computer usage slash programming many of these special educators lack the necessary technical skills to teach these subjects. Now there are two options here either. Use external staff to get the job done which in most cases is impractical or. The school can choose to omit these subjects from their curriculum. this has serious implications on higher education prospects. I wanted to take up computer science after school but couldn't because i had not studied mathematics and computers in my school days. This is a problem that deserves more. Discussions and deliberations three. What after school for most parents with disabled children. Primary concern is to be able to get their children to school in this part of the world. The percentage of disabled children who make it to school itself is quite pathetic even among parents who do send their disabled child to school very few of them have any clue as to what to do. After school in a vast majority of cases the children remain at home after their schooling. There are very little hopes of any kind of further education or any form of employment slash livelihood. At least a handful of my own friends from school are in such a position from the school's perspective. They are right in saying that they cannot continue to support children forever as this would deprive other newcomers from getting the same kind of opportunities so should special schools engaged with parents and other stakeholders for coming up with a long term plan for their children. Well i'd like to leave this point up for debate. Four vocational education and how to take it forward vocational education forms an important part of special education in my school for instance regular weekly sessions focused on learning something new within a short period of three years or so. I learned something about block. Printing candle making carpentry cookery gardening mushroom cultivation pottery music slash singing papercraft tie dye etc. And mind you. This was a time like some ten years before the advent of the internet which makes the experience even more unbelievable the sheer diversity of topics we learned is sometimes baffling and each of these skills. Have the potential to become one's livelihood slash profession. I consider myself really lucky for having gotten so much exposure to vocational education. However i maintain that children must be grouped together in accordance with their physical and mental abilities and their aptitude and then given access to learn specific vocational skills. This is arguably the best approach. Five extraordinary times contingency planning needed right from our school days. We were repeatedly told that we belong to the best of times. But i would say in the year twenty twenty. We have seen the worst of times as well. My school has remained shut for nine months straight and there is no telling when things will get back to normal while normal schools have resorted to online classes. There is no such luck for a disabled child who might be enrolled in a special school. Question is how do you get disabled children. And special educators to participate in online classes while it may seem possible from a conceptual slash theoretical point of view practically. It is more challenging than we can ever imagine so again. I'd like to leave you with an open question. What sort of contingency planning would be required to ensure some sort of continuity of basic education and other essential services for the disabled in unprecedented times. Like this i think. I have only managed to scratch the surface of the issue here. Accessibility in education has a lot more facets to it the issues discussed in this blog slash. Podcast are complex by themselves and would need to be discussed and deliberated with a much wider audience. Only then can we get anywhere close to finding a solution all right guys. I'll sign off for now. Join me on my next podcast soon. Together let's make a more accessible world cheers.

Episode 21 out now

Podcasts � Dear Dyslexic

59:16 min | 2 years ago

Episode 21 out now

"The. Do you have a tribe of dyslexic within your family? Can you trace dyslexia through your family tree? Well, today's guest speaker has done just that Dr Judith Hudson has been studying intergenerational dyslexia, three her work in Tasmania Judas has spent over thirties in the field of special education as an advocate Fianna people with developmental disorders such as dyslexia dyspraxia and ADHD she's a teacher, a psychologist researcher and a writer in a stray and the UK an educational ambassador and also a dyslexic ambassador to square pigs dyslexic support group in Tasmania Judith, also has a husband and grandson who have both very successful dyslexic. She works and she has her time between stralia and Wales in the UK. Welcome to the show Jesus. Thank you. Thank you. Every me. So I please to have you on the show today. Judas as firstly feted with the intergenerational dyslexia, as there are three generations within my family that have dyslexia which way will get into discussing a little bit. But festival would you be to talk to us a little bit of bat the field of slip special education, and how you got involved in working in. This is originally. Okay. We'll I can't. Two degrees. When I was in my late, thirties, education and one in psychology. And by the time it finished, oh, those trained to be environmental scientists you could get with teaching children special education needs this week in nineteen eighty one. When the the UK was undergoing big revolution. They have a survey done and report came out with how badly we serving these children putting them in special schools and through shutting kids away, and we could move more to the integration model. So this lady you label came out special, educations and became a special education needs teachers to a school dining Kent where we had three hundred and forty students ranging from grade nine to grade lessons. Time I was working for authority in the south remake -ment who were quite we'll see and had the cautious which could go on. Not the great Dane about special education news that have been object. I went on the cool. They have just this wonderful thing to describe a reading difficulty, and it was called dyslexia. And that was the first time at heard the D word. That time children right edge for have reading problems and just a generator they will slow readers or corey's, porty, Kotas, whatever then they started to identify certain groups that had certain behaviors in comments and these fishy to profile was under the label of dyslexia. It was a revolution. And in about five years to spread throughout the country. Cheer was being talked about and someone denying it. And so most saying Louis sweat sensible. Under debate was raging and then niche survived it up to the economics that the mono. What's you? If somebody a labor of the section, you could do the budget suddenly changed for visits to specific learning difficulties by that time yourself into another. Those studying other special educational needs. But at the same time also looking a wide range of special needs for what we didn't rural schools in Herefordshire in Wales working with children who had a specific language specific reading difficulties due necessitates on them and devising programs than what we could be invention teach balk. So we assess the child we wrote up a program we tool that program, and we work for the class teacher to teach them how to teach the children in the way that they could learn and that by the end of the nineties was sort of the model with working here. They had appointed by this time another role in schools could especially -cational needs Cinco. Thinker was one in every school. And they were responsible for coordinating an identified children's needs. A now used to doing the identification and working with thinkers in schools as well, then it became a Shankar myself for year because school that were struggling succumb to them. Jim estate Becher retired. And the same time I've been doing my masters with professional miles two miles Humes ru in dyslexia in UK an issue of ice for my master's research, and he became one of my supervisor's for my PHD and through. Show to the foul became involved. If you've all rather it wasn't a conscious decision. Just one thing to another. So a shortage studying nineteen Eighty-one, and I still I'm fascinated by it now, the more, no. So frustration. So within the school system to children have to be assisted by a educational psychologist. Alway you able to assist them too slick Zia south. Baleno stay. So just a qualified specialist teacher, especially teacher now here in the UK, especially teachers courses if you registered. A successful on an accredited course, you have accidents in terms of professional standing to identifying assist children, especially for things like special arrangements examinations. If I think purposely more when you get to adult eighteen normal colleges and further education or higher education that small where the psychologist kicks in. Although it still accessible to have a recession at Denbigh fishless teacher provided the right qualifications will controlled. We have the association and the passos's professors teachers civic than difficult. They both on the creditors of courses. The teachers can take ranked and. Did all this work in dyslexia? And then to marry someone that was dyslexic, and you have a grandson. That was dislike seeing did. You know, your husband was dyslexic when you married him. Or was that just? I'm any chance that that. That's right way. But you know, what I'm trying to say a freak occurrence freekick coast. It's very strange shave. Because I have a quota circle of friends who are dyslexic today seems to be almost common detraction. But then can written working dyslexic to leave mentally. So he's been exit for thirty seven years. My grandson we went through schooling among the knights fewing it through school. This is not right this child, and of course, been circled expertise grenade proper people people facture a time didn't it again defy any went onto education at sixteen. So us almost seventeen before he to recognize although we knew with no Shittu, literally if you disrupt sickness, certainly dyslexic, but the school wouldn't accept it. They just any support even when you fifty years boy in spelling awful all there. But no they would net. Cookie. He Bright's why why is just lazy? If it's bright Ricard spell just paying attention. And he's gone on to nobles under the name of Samuel Hanson. They all the weird weirdest. We is no shot fiction. Languages and countries and very weird especially has a following his pages, but sixty five thousand seventy to relate to it here. I thought you proofreading his I did the first one off in the second one. So if you see make career to get himself. And you're a his reviews of goods now. He's to the Dave additional who. Interesting. It's interesting that even the the K is so much further advanced than a stranger in assessing diagnosing, Gillian ventures. Are you saying before your sons in his early twenties, and he's still still clementine was sixteen to diagnose? Yes. Oh, yes. Coach it isn't necessarily the systems for a lot of places. Jesse teas. But in some cases, you know coat. Managing the was death to each of the transitions from primary into junior junior intersected educates things could to head him Unser, everything just goes scrambled. When they get to a level. They call coat with sister young man last year, who's new set year medical student and got that far through the system. It will just Philip part. Necessarily the school's folks all cases, derail the room to blame. Sometimes the system. Also, it can't be the marched. So well as individuals, and though L develop strategies to cope that it doesn't get recognized. When we know how over teachers are if they coping keeping their heads down did not want to be during the tension. It. I think straight it's moving faster now in the last five years notice the change is greater. The last fifty. Still no way to go. We talk about it a lot. You know, let about podcasts the headed. Working in Tasmania of all vices whereabout to based in the UK in wail TISCO prestine in Powis mid-wales. Yes. The no coincidence. My best friend features Jj to the Quaker school. She was at the quick school rooted you'll and places with the teacher in the friends school in Hobart. So they did a year exchange. So I came out to Jenny stateful two months. Time a retired from teaching started. My pitchy. And also lecturing in higher education. So what involved you Tess in the psychology department? Caen allowed me to stay on as a fifty scholar for two months in working at the university of the patient. That was the first connection that would do the four returned for a fellowship about who looking ADHD and specific difficulties in Australia into ties and six seven nine eight km nine to the nine km autism coach involved in peripherally, which which because that times. It was just nothing nothing to test manure Joel the with the celled lose. No. For people to go answered. If I did go through is nothing structure in place, and then in two thousand thirteen when I was there. I heard about squared peixe being formed and do-doesn't forty joined the my visas fairy along the way, some along the Connecticut, ripping out just quite long spells in a straight year under this we had to leave every night today with really there's visitors go back about twenty four hours later today. And it gets expensive. Anyway, I've got involved with the education faculty do not on special needs and dyslexia my involvement with square pegs meant, I could do a lot more getting into schools because. I was offered education. Dr department wasn't thought of I was a guest of university as honorary and it was it was taught that wanting to involve community engagement that need to watch. Are you actually do now? But the time it was just scraped takes least somebody saints of doing something to parents to disprove won't very deflect suit. With the dish lexical and one week the dyslexic, son. So much to do so much energy. And we quite a sort of a strong group around us a mostly parents. I think I was the only one wasn't to parents. Trento issues. So they knows os just lucky to be in the right place at the right time. When you spent you Pash Newark knife campaigning for something you find a Nisha that on radio in a way refer to as many do go to. They've made such strides house. They really we've been doing some reviews lately. How far we've often within into forty seven schools. We time to so is over two thousand teachers referring workshops would appear student to wonderful literacy teacher, and we do workshops together. Wenham over there. Those are really successful just rating the profiles, but just we can dyslexia now is actually being spoken about the still pockets says manure is rural especially just like Wales the schools far apart from each other the communities. Would reaching out the. This last session that have been over in the entirety which would with the country schools in. With bus ques- cut midday medicine, but the they may just very well. And we had we respect in about twelve pairs about forty parents teachers came we wind it up spended on our Muslim denying students leaving for we left off percents. Shop aware people interested grandparents of quite a few grandparents coming on. It was just amazing to see the need teachers to come after teaching all day and a co driven miles miles to be there. That's. Stirs you onto to do more. If you commissions deserve more information, they certainly deserve. It. We've got some multi sensory learning. Scholarships? If you were started we funded seven teachers to do the course and they. Sort of spreading the word on how to teach their will say one hundred hours to missed it teaching. So we get in spreading further of field as well. And party information to colleagues on how to teach multi sensory teaching. It's it's it's growing if exciting. And it's wonderful. You've been able to join with Chatham Madison's, well stage, she stand there with Rowsley his wonderful. Sir. I'm having read this black now as vice chancellor mania was different heaven. I could not believe it when diverse regions in the mercury has the newspaper in Melwood. I said all discipline. We have to contesting. And he's become a patron. Of course. Yes. Yes. Sir. If you hit up with him, but it was wonderful to talk to him that he's lived experience. It was fantastic. Sir. Which dyslexia within your family is that from one generation to another is that how you got involved in studying intergenerational dyslexia. Or is it from two separate sides of your family come on. No. I think. What are still have to do the sessions really answer? The started taking the family histories that. You know, just the connection so lucky professor miles put binder. He was a great advocate and he'd been saying since the nineteen fifties. You Cohen patent these children to somebody else in the family a going back nineteen fifty doing research and beginning to talk about an in the by the time, we reach the 2000s this originally link could become confirmed. So no longer we say the might be possibility runs in families. We now know the does, and we know is Jim appear D research. I was using five local families in an area where the population is pretty state. So they were going back the the pinata with the parents. But the grandparents amid some the great grandparents as well. And each of those had history. So strong you could ignore it. And they could go back to about. I'm cool though on couldn't read or whatever with generally on cool or cousins yesterday amount. Yes. The worst mothers, but more often than not it was it was coming through the male line. And that was quite exciting to see by the time to the goal of the information. It was it was a side issue into something that haven't been tended to look at. But because it was coming out. So pronounced in my doctor decided to start looking bit further into what what the families of the talking to them bit more about it. And I think it's it's important that teachers believe in upset that runs in families because that's the first place. You start start looking at your family history and don't necessarily take. For granted. The matter stays of the focus age. No loose nobody else because when you start investigating. There are peaceful. I started my study with six families and the one student the mail. He was thirteen and Mahmut said the first few liberty off in the family on those definitely nauseous. The then found out three weeks down the line. He came into the room when I was interviewing other. And they saw its tokens all you know, each other. We cousins brothers. To start exploiting the family histories unto the. Guessing clueless to. Which sides that the family? We have a lovely lady on the square. Pigs for two has three dyslexic children are dyslexia husband dissected mothering over, but she's also got it on her side as well. Not that she said to do to study because the so many of them. Do great work to throw with multi sensory three teach. Definitely on your side. You mother side of the cider. Well, my dad hasn't been formally assessed. But way, pretty sure it comes from his side because he doesn't like to read and he from very early on. He struggled to raid. And he says that he he really struggled at school. And he says rule there, dyslexic strengths trains. So he's extremely creative is amazing. Said he shows huge Amana characteristic. So a pretty short comes from his died. We haven't we don't know whether any things it's come out in any of my cousins, we don't speak to them or not. But my one of my brothers has it. He was diagnosed DACA. I was diagnosed because he was really struggling at school. So when my mum on dad, I was hey was in Billy secondary school. So she went and got him assist right away. He was diagnosed and it was too late the him he'd just engaged with school. And so he left quite shortly after that which was real PD, but he to go into Typhon, go to trade. And so that was really good. He's stuck that at and became a builder and one of my nephews was diagnosed very early on in grade crip. Yes. Yeah. A tree. So it's really to me. It's really fascinating to say know family, and in my youngest brother happens to his girlfriend is dislike saying. So really interesting as well because there's a beat makes us in our family. And so it's not the girl. That's just like get family said have a good laugh together. Says she was dying genie nine and had to move schools because of it so sing hearing. Yeah. They didn't want her to bring the school level results style. Oh, the official tragedy. Tragedy should be allowed to happen. But it does return. Yeah. She runs orange successful business now, and she's one of young ambbassador than she's doing. She's just wonderful. But yeah, it's interesting in family the different stories in the struggles manipulates had. Learns to start expensive aid. When when a child is diagnosed unite having speech therapy every week. We'll having chewed support in class. So extensive from parents. Lee is. You for son parents getting diagnosis it's too expensive. On the subsidy square peixe seriously working towards how do we actually reach those people? Hell we support. In parts of the cost of getting her diagnosis. You can go to the psychology onto university has mania for assessment elating this the there is another of those away to this. You could wait a couple of years tickets. Meanwhile, more damage being done. Yeah. I mean, that's how I was assessed with three union, which I was really lucky studying at the time was a long list expensive. But even through the foundation, we're looking at had we lower the cost to have someone coming get assists frost because we know siege. Baria even as an adult still really expensive psychologist is expensive them at so time consuming to assist rinse. And I have who speak. She I mean, it takes much time by the time of the assessment Iraq report, you understand why cost so much, but. Fahri paypal. And so I've been looking at how at the van Dacian. You can look ahead, you subsidize, it's the papal. So whether the whip helps funded or whether access grants to help someone advantage at such big berry, when you know, so many people out there that they could just get insys minute could answer so many questions for them up -solutely. I think you should trusted to see. How universities are renting Australia. I mean here because we have the Moore on our side. We have to do the things we have to follow. In power for us. An adult can have a diagnosis quite quickly would start in university. I heard last year about Kim university. I've been Stafford cheer that have a medical school highness successful medical school undisturbed if they students dyslexic nickel department, supporting dyslexic students through medical degrees. That was wonderful to hear. I think you sort of university just gonna long way down the road the site of model that really master Hatton. And I'm sure there are university in Australia to doing it. We need more. We really need it on the NBS over here. I think that's I mean, that's where the BanDai should. We really see our role is helping to advocate, the neuroscience -education sites to have that on the billing so that people can claim hardwood backstory Medicare at one of the best ways for us to wear come across the country to advocate that change so decibel for papal. Yes. Up shit. Lutely the sub MRs boosts live with the school system. We work hard to get kids to become for themselves answer to make the confident to see dyslexia. Disability. It's nine indifference fine air. Then they get out into the real world. And they start saying that disabled to get this identification, funding, whatever. Having done one for can use a building their confidence Van Gogh to sign up to say that they are disabled people and that. Conflict. Really interesting point, you bring up from LeBron vein having that discussion at the foundation because I strongly advocate that would the moment because of everything is saying because no one wants to use the word because we one of strengths. Af sounds is disabled. If you wanna create change, and you wanna get paid to listening. He need to use a strong word to advocate for funding. And for a seat of the table to talk about this issue so end, but people don't wanna use the woods ability. I mean, we we I have the win. Dyslexia doesn't isn't even on my reports rating in riding disorder. Boy in England into specific learning GP coach. There's so many different terms that we can use. So I find that certain frustrating because hackneyed on advocate something when you join even have the ri-. So. They didn't even aspirin is anymore. You just on this autism. It's the way dyslexia excuse me. This Lexus got to go. But how you make that transition, and that's right there. There are less people with autism. I think is one in two hundred that have autism business one in ten that have dyslexia. So population is huge in the need to help people with dislike series huge. We can't even get for argument's just around the in Ola, she still so I really had. So I think we have to for me I have to use a hard word that makes me a causes a conversation and gets people educated. At least with at least people talking about it. That's right. Yes. That's one of the things that I sort of try and stress. We've actually got the coolest running university educating students with learning difficulties and catching them the students on those cool is using the word unto actually becoming so well informed that if anybody challenges them that they can show the case for this condition or disorder or whatever then difficulty, dispense, huge range of names out there and the NAR. Sure, it really does confuse people. Because are you talking about the same thing if you took conventionally disability or an L D or a PO d? Brennan aims. Just saying to sexually. Take courage because they said if they go into back into schools using that word the colleagues get through dyslexia. An we were there fifteen years ago, we've moved on. Dissection hours. Dyslexia of wonderful still could have a disability that you should. And it doesn't go away. So it's lifelong forever, and I think with advocating strongly dyslexia. But there are so many people that have the discrepencies discount clear, you know, we had that the mix of current in dishes that there there's other ones getting gotten and will impact just to significantly on anti today. Ability to function. We're trying to raise that awareness. Yes. It's fantastic progress that they've no actually identified the Unity's problems with dyslexia con spillover into your Massin, just co Cuba, wonderful that nickel who these named for these different areas. If people see those stuff this order in dyslexia as that disorder starts out four nine. All embracing nuts. What way you have to touch it? Took me slowing you I have a couple of AHD students at a working in his face at the moment of a have actually three of my three or five dyslexic ranging on different scales. The most of beer is wonderful person. He's made major mazing after and he's doing his PHD looking. Provisions Scotland a mule in Scotland policy-making Scotland because Scotland do a lot for dyslexia compared to New South Wales the population all the two I think there's a couple of million difference. But looking at the geographical spread of New South Wales on a smaller scale in Scotland visit an office Jamila he uses a switch to sphere. So he could hear what she wants read to him as he said he has to play things several times over over gain in very very time, consuming chalet jackets. Whereas if you've got somebody working with him who can read it he got show bit with he doesn't understand to make off that. And go over that. And he cannot rights econo- right to hear the tool so having somebody to write his words released the information go he said, most phenomenal memory the things that he's stored in his breaking it just never ceases to amaze me that we work on a monthly reaching. Well, we wasn't foot images moment with he has supervisor fringes has me a the houses scribe. So we have our Skype for ways the scribe is taking the comments. He is he's making. And then we have a summary at the end of it in writing for the three of us to us. It was the that commission Jim story on his head. He he's doing well, very well. How did he? So had said she described was that just straight. He's 'em access. Nick would. The word right access and police. Said. Yes, he stem in the first instance when you Jewish masters MacQuarie, so they to get through to his master's degrees. Policymaking Andros social policy all within that field. So they know how to work together. Well. The innovational MacQuarie in the first since I think the Dave in that access. The Flinders to take on we tried several universities before we find one that would do. So they became the first university to ever do this. So that for major step in the rights duration of a stranger do quite quite a lot of dyslexia. I I went decides the Stradey to dyslexia conference in two thousand four on my first Vania visiting. Other nate. And they were too a lot going on then talking about I'm Mike goodness me it's grown since. Then they're very forward thinking, they are the the first state to have a CS to the form explaining check. Which is I want to do this the end of this year? That would be a major step for for the whole of. Yeah. Because you picked struggling chance at such an early age that you can adopt Cheech ING. And you got things for them to do actually bring them off. At least coping with the acquiring literacy. Onsite appears. But if you just do that. The differences are gonna get wider wider very very soon. The damage is done devotion emotional side to the job as well. What is the thing is sort of a a major stumbling brought to learning to be district. Situationally Lenny assists, awareness of science. With him words, this this funnel logical processes and the fun excreta. It is Notre test is not another set of criteria like the the nut plan if he's a way of seeing how children decode sounds the end of year instruction. It shows the teacher where they need to put in intervention or where they need to adapt. Nate teaching it doesn't show up bad teaching porty junior undo things. I've heard thrown the bull. Why they don't want it. It doesn't do anything positive. It's identifies the children who are struggling and each identifies a very early age and the fun extreme it's really a way to go forward. Does it is the funny screener across the whole of the UK. Hold of fig England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own education systems. Over the whole Ingram. Jess lift the been doing it. Now for about five years. I think. It's it's just showing improvement in reading but marginal. But what it is show us? The teaching is improving the teachers feel more confident in way, they teach literacy, and that's a good step forward as well. Yeah. And. Sorry, we digressed 'cause we were talking about your pay St. students because you said you've got to other students who sided to hear more about them on being selfish on my house to not as my listeners know, I'm doing my PHD as well, sir. Just came to know a little bit more than any other. Seek. So describe this with discount clear out there that are trying to do the any studies. Really Jay here a little bit more about your students. And if you've got any he's gestion that you've given your students that might help Allison's that might be studying at there at the moment. Okay. One of us. This is doing comparing more hope into compare. What goes on in schools these days compared to his days? Two to three of stories about their own experiences. A really very very disturbing an it. They both looking to see where change will come. The biggest problem is with the time management. Uncertainty doing one person is a very poor time. Timekeeper turns every step we make. She misses. Getting better. Supervision in terms of supervising. It's you have to be very careful. It's not a constant nag. It's the term trying to encourage a not condemning making judgments, I really wants. If I say, I want this data I really do because for your benefit so trying to understand your supervisor's positions will sit to keep you supervisor informed. If you provide us know how you work what strategies you're using. Appreciate why it takes so long to do something. Or why you go off to John Jones because of under? It's the way the dyslexia brain works nearly understand nuts if they were aware of it. So I'm not saying always Bangor about what Luca can't do that. Because dyslexia us over. I mean, if you could inform them in a positive way, the this is how I do. Something. Why don't you take some faithful probably a week to do that to take me to leaks? The negotiating your time management that way. It soom Terelia. Agreement if he likes but an agreement on based on their standing. We don't have something sent to me in terms of grammar and spelling checks they've put something through the spell checker and the Gramley unless still sort of not coming out in the way they won't pit. I don't mind changing things around. But I have to have the confidence and trust that I'm not destroying their word. Said one place that to somebody who rang risk free to a and said unfailing, Sandra fading on wasting. My time annoyed at done search damage by being what I do. Oh. To be worked out between us that MRs voters trying to. I'm Jay doesn't say what I wanted to say. No. It's happy. The key is well, no prove it stays the message there. But is now in the language. Everybody's been to understand. Very good. Very good dissects expanding. Addressing chicks juggle. Examiner. He was a chemistry teacher. Now. Retired a very happy about that t also used to mock exam papers for the examinations board and bought. Then. Started putting five percent of the mouse could be. Tips with spelling grammar to see third you. Who am I to say spoke for somebody cooled in? It is hard even I'm trying to write my speech for dollar in two weeks. And I read it to my Susa go to will be restructured, I suggest, but you can't take out these partners pot really means stop to me. And when you send it up to people, I don't mind so much with my doctors. I know it has to raid Zidan way feted when it's other where can people take away because you know, what you want to want to say in the meaning finishes not on Tiki related while and say that it heads Amundsen rejecting Erie. Yes. Let's be so frustrated for you. Stick catch. It. Is better than some. I'm learning now to say, no, you need or I'll go back, someone's wait re it, and I really want that point to be in the I'll put it back in. Just living to go back and put it back in and try and rework it. So it makes sense. Go back, and I'll put it back in how I want. Easy to sort of express things in in face to face. The niche is to console or something into writing. Yeah. I can't put it in writing content, me hours and hours and hours trying sentence. And then I can explain it to someone and they put it in words in a minute. And I just find sorry frustrating Qassam just think why can't I just Bayliss Fash? Yeah. Year. Can it just takes dark find at more? It's just the time. It takes so much time to China too late sometimes one sentence or paragraph is you find the right word. So you've written it so many times because you know, exactly how you wanna say. And it just doesn't come out right from heighten. And in the died only have to coal someone. And I explain it to them and end, I will say it in a way that stride it. And then it just takes I was riding my pant to go out to the gala at Zanu jail flyer for what we're doing Dacian. We're doing stuff in research, and I ran my content entrance at night. You that's not how this is what it needs to say. We think two minutes she rewritten. It for me. I just could not cheek your eight. But as soon as I said at tuition, I just say these. At seven thirty at night. When it's time to say, I'm sorry. That's not what I was trying to say to you. And then she speaks it in three minutes imagining strikes everyone else so much time while which I feel bad than that. I'm taking other papers. But if problems did I in schools that teaches just understand the the energies is going in the processing you've just described. If teachers say yes, but it was due to be handed in on Monday is now Friday that doesn't help. Because we disorganized anyway in mind, and my dad's a really good example that takes much longer to g things that we think we've got enough time. So we might in brain planned out everything to attain thing. We're gonna start it on the day because inap- brain it's gonna take X number dies to do it. But when we actually see Dan to do it all at actually takes. Brain's we've mapped it out. And it makes a lot of sense than we think. No, no, no. It's gonna work. Exactly how we find it. But when you sit down you actually now. Not that you'd think you've done at rhyme. You think you flange of rise that that's frustrating as well. Because you've done the best thinking planned out. Right. And then it doesn't actually ten till the last hour going. Furnished by Noah planet, but it just hasn't doesn't. But this this is sort of use speech to text to speech is a wonderful invention. Not through saying it, isn't useful. It's extremely useful issue fishnets. But it also highlights another problem. The structure is aimed doesn't is right to sometimes doesn't say what you don't. You should've said even though you dictated it or whatever. That takes time. Yeah. You've gotta build that any of you using Texas page to GO editing. You have because it takes at a slower system to prove freight to you. But for me, I have to take at least environments paragraph to listen to what Jesse wedding. 'cause I can hear them stakes when I say it, but I can hear it here in stay where it is. Because of the not gonna stay where it is. Then I go back in initiate. So that's five minutes paragraph. That's a long time. The two of them would sign -ment. Yes. Yes. And it's a lot of planning in. Might made that person's journal the planning. But when you add up elect time. Did you use audio recording very much the food? Putting your ideas in by dictator them. If I'm going for a walk or something, and I come up with an idea I'll record Horia recorded now. Because I'm old school. I mentioned say is 'cause I'm we're talking castle the time which assisted technology in the one of the things that they're, but because I think I got diagnosed late I developed my strategies instead when you strategies, you'll have bad habits. To bring the are. Yes. This is my mom. Oh. So it's it's learning to pull this wonderful technology vice which is just starting day focusing to human beings to help me. And I'm very that. I've been able to do that I'm going to great network of friends of family. That's where I see. That I should be using technology more than I do. Want to me, really? So you. Yes. Some migrants, and he should've embrace technology by hitting this just try to narrow the reducing. Can you say, right? Can't you do that fifty? Fifty. He cannot tell you highly does things. You did not is only useful to him in that way. But it's not an use to anybody trying to see what he did to do that way. Because he can't show. You just did it. He might have done something about twenty times before he did that. But it trial and error eventually got their results frayed to technology. His new for this area has been working in the navy. You if. Acquired skill using assistive technology that takes time. Tired time is the biggest problems of dissections this never enough nine. There's never enough anything you'd like to say change in the next five years or anything you'd like to say about the way that squint pigs doing intense mania. Always on tonight. Yes. Just a little bit. Do these union test mania is is going. Well, we did to recruit more people who are going to be facilitating more training. On the ground as it were. I think the strengths could work on. Actually. Casing for more change. Especially in terms of spit briefly about the foreign screening check. Literacy has made this being the problem for many years or sheathing successful literacy rates amongst children has painted it. Supporting it really is it deficit to change. I would love to see Tasmania changing from. The president of teaching literacy, which is more like whole language. I'd love to see more for exchanging and certain advocate the screening early age. We've got to train the teachers we've got to give teachers more support than the department of education doing something, which I think is quite innovative. The we have grad search for inclusive education, which we've come pained for press at Torino who see head of inclusive education in the education faculties school education. He slick OC to the department pay for twenty five teachers a year to do this grid. Search it's full more Jews and one of them's dislexia one. And they've just commissioned to with we've had funded three times already. Andrea. Right now for them until at least two dozen twenty three's shake, it's yes, it is. So the remorse more people being trained, but we've got to train teachers. The the beach the one before they go out to teach teach rating. Teach it effectively. Understand what understanding fun allergic awareness to understand the mechanics of language. So they confident when they go out they teach children how to sort of decode what signs import substantial photograph to put more pressure on changing the system from within. Georgie recognizing that schools. Need more support? Yes, we've got twenty five dollars a year being trains, that's to change even more within their own system. So the schools need more training. Whole school communities raising awareness, and I'd like to see that grow it more. We've got five pairs family groups, no. Rather the states. See those continue growing because people need information if the parent's scoot up if they aware if they reformed they can have Kate formal successfully for their jobs, and if they advocate for the charts they charged seeing the advocating going on that draw on them. So you it's not because he group is one of our strengths that we really need to work on. Nothing. That's pretty much the moment. The big big sculptures. We've got to prove how we teach teacher teaches. We've got to improve the way which teaches the teach reading. Square peixe Gannett vacate for raising the awareness of this next year and get you recognize. And then work on the rest of the things iced funding, some vol-. Working ching and district connect recognition the comparison. Get some support tools get kids identified. Fits of is. Now, I wanna know. You do you carry over you good work? The more people that use spring up. The little beach of hopes. Ten years ago names in dyslexia own. It's specifically which is Ryan Australia a few of between. Now, there are a lot more name springs to mind. The people do things Moraine Hammond over in AA, she do untested trainings. Sara ASO in Bentley wished she's doing amazing things turned Steve cups, you growing and to grow. It really has and South Australia. Retire sees a small state with a very small population. Very big problem and a Nash make a stand this purpose on the way since now, they're not that's why we're doing as much as we can to support healthy because we wanna make sure nine big is much of quotas that can donate because we know that there's a little issues that they face. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on the show was so wonderful to talk to you into here about your research and your students that you're working within you'll family story around dyslexia and the work you're doing intense, my new with square pigs and his medicine. Thank you so much coming on the show Judas, and we look forward to hearing more from you in the future. Like you for the hearing from you as well. Thank you. Thank you. To you. If you'd like to know more about the wonderful and thought provoking research that Judith is undertaken head to the dyslexic website, if you'd like to find out more about square pegs, go to square, pigs TASR dot org. 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Melbourne's 42 days of lockdown. Will it work?


10:38 min | 1 year ago

Melbourne's 42 days of lockdown. Will it work?

"This is an ABC podcast. Hello this is corona. Kosta podcast all about the coronavirus I'm health report, a Teigen, tyler, an opposition journalist alter norman swollen. It's Wednesday the eighth of July so Noman Metropolitan Melbourne is back into lockdown for six weeks so back to the stay at home orders that they were under last time that we were sort of all ended last time, but with a couple of small differences, Yup it's from midnight tonight and people just need to stay at home. And there are four reasons or their four categories of reasons why you can go out your luck to go to work or study if you can't stay at home and do that, you're. Going to essential shopping, and you can go out and get exercise, but General Electric. It's your exercise outside metropolitan. Melbourne metropolitan. Melbourne is in fact lockdown ring-fenced if you like, and there's Mitchell Shire as well, which is just beyond. Tele Marine airports of the rural area. Just beyond tone, airport is a really big difference in the cases between Melbourne and regional. Victoria like it's really. In, Melbourne, the rest of Victoria has virtually Nike's at all. There are some, but not many, and this has been true throughout Australia. Where would lower population density? There'd be not very many cases at all, which is great, and there's a lot of anger in rural areas that they've been locked down in the past when they see the problem will need to be the city's so i. think that what every Torian government's trying to do is not lockdown rural and regional areas unfairly. If you like because they've got no virus there, but then you go to protect those areas, so they don't get cases coming into them and spreading their because they'll spread like wildfire. Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said that this was the more precarious challenging and potentially tragic position than they were in some months ago. What makes this different to win? The coronavirus I came to Australia. Communities Spread back in March, there wasn't a lot of communities spread at that point. There could have been, and there was a risk of it. which is why they went to lockdown to. The, infrastructure, going for testing and so on, but now there is community spread. It's very significant, and it's not from overseas arrivals anymore. It's from outbreaks and there's still quite a few cases where they're. North Schumer the came from Ati from known outbreaks or others. So this is getting out of control, and it's spreading beyond the ring. Fenced post codes the other thing that was a big talking point last time with schools and they've announced that year eleven twelve. Some you ten. Ten students we can return to face to face teaching and special schools as well, but it looks like will at least for the first week of term which starts next week. All of the other students are going to be at harm and maybe kind of laying the groundwork to be working to be schooling from high again interim three. Yeah, there's the thinking about that quite hard. It's not an easy decision. It really does affect families quite seriously and again the. The reason for doing this is only partly spread because children typically primary school children don't spread it as much as older people do, but also the reason that you do this is that if you're going to go to a lockdown, you don't want large numbers of people moving around. It's very hard for families to lockdown. If you've got to take kids to school and creates an inconsistency of message, so in a sense, it's fortunate of the moment that the school holidays are. Are On you can extend them by a week and you can have a think about what you WanNa do because it's a fairly significant policy decision to make so victorious getting some pretty big numbers now. Why have they chosen to do it now? And maybe they have done this awake ventures. They probably should have done a week ago, but it's always easy. In retrospect to be the critic, the armchair critic when they're doing their best. The issue here is that. A lot of the focus is on symptomatic people, so people who are getting coughs and colds, and so on and the hope that you can control it that if you got any simpsons toll, you get tested. The trouble is that a significant proportion of the testing comes from people with no symptoms, so they're either in the two or three days before their symptoms come out or they don't get symptoms at all. And that's what a lockdown helps to control because If you focusing just on symptoms, you're missing people who are either asymmetric or pre-symptomatic, and it's younger people who are getting infected, and they tend to have milder symptoms, but yet are spreading it, so you've really got to lock people down. Stop them moving around. Stop infecting other people and do it far more broadly because the problem is pre-symptomatic, an ACC people symptomatic. Symptomatic people can be captured in this untested, but people spread this before symptoms come out and the spread quite a lot. There was another notable exception in the announcement yesterday. At least in terms of what we've been talking about on this podcast. Before nine mention of masks, no masks are what should have happened two or three weeks ago Victoria on trains, trams, public areas were were social. Distancing was is hard to achieve. They missed an opportunity to add a bit of extra control to the spread of the pandemic. Now that people are in lockdown. You could probably argue that masks are less importance. But some people would say they should be wearing masks home. Because harshly distance certainly wear them when you're going to the shops because again you're trying to control asymmetrical pre-symptomatic spread, and you probably need to use everything that you can in Melbourne at the moment and not leave any strategy on utilized well I mean if we're talking about things that perhaps should have been mentioned. Should we also talk about the COVID SAFE APP? Yeah, I mean that's A. A bit of a disappointment I think they're saying yesterday. The some US thirty times. It's not identified a case that they didn't know about from the contact tracing. They're arguing that it's small numbers, and therefore you're not getting. You know it's not been road tested to the stress tested to the extent that should. There are indications that not many of these APPs internationally having have actually worked. And the one thing that does seem to work with us, a human rights privacy issue is going into Geo location on Android and iphones so that you can actually follow where people have been. But I think that people might resist that in terms of an intrusion in their privacy. But again, what? What do you want whole Melbourne lockdown for the second time six weeks huge inconvenience major economic strife. For the sake of being allowed to find out where you are on your mobile phone. Maybe the time has come to open that up I. Mean I guess the real question with all of these? Will it work a people going to comply? The second time ran already feels like we've been changing the way we've lived for such a long time. It's going to be a lot hotter. We've all been guilty of thinking that. It's either and relaxing ourselves, and it's not. It's not. It's going to be really tough to do and you. You can just imagine the fatigue that people in Melbourne feel particularly parents with thought that they might be homeschooling kids again. It just doesn't bear thinking about you've already got calls. People saying well, you know. Why are we locking down again? Why don't you just let it rip? We've got to get used to this disease and just let it go well. If we let this go, there will be tens of thousands of cases and will be hundreds of deaths. Is that what we want I? Don't think that we do want that. And it won't stay inventory. It Will Victoria because Victoria will end up having a very large amount of virus in its community, and that means you can't open the borders from Victoria to the rest of Australia. You've got to try to get this under control. Otherwise, it's going to be a huge disparity in the amount of virus. You let this rip. First of all as you've seen in America, it doesn't help to Konami the economy is still shattered, and secondly you increase the amount of virus, and nobody will want to open a border with Victoria. Is it going to work I mean? None of us actually know that, but six weeks lockdown. Do you think it's actually to have a chance? The we've got a chance, but it requires massive amounts testing Dr Choirs. Much more attack on areas where there have been outbreaks, really tracking them down, probably increasing the resources to tracking. And using the six weeks to really hunt every case down where we're still only a few hundred, but remember when it's only a few hundred. It's nearly eight hundred cases cumulatively. The doubling time is going down day by day, so I think now the doubling time is about six days yesterday. When we swollen Kournikova, it was about seven days, so it's getting allman asleep close, and it's not people from. From, overseas, it's community spread so for those of us who don't live in Victoria. What should we be doing well? Every state in Australia should have you know. The governments should be scenario playing so that they should be working at what they would do in this situation, 'cause it could well occur in other states, even states that have Novartis a toll because it's very hard to keep this contained. New South Wales is probably the state. That's most worrying because the still virus there at a very low level, and so people have just got to be careful. They've got to maintain physical distance and a New South Wales. I really do think that when the they talk about large numbers of people coming together, the should have masks as mandatory so that you're minimizing the risk that you're going to get an outbreak in New South, Wales because it does, it'll be the same situation and our biggest state population wise could well find itself in lockdown Bradley's. Metropolitan area of Sydney and maybe even the Sydney Newcastle Wollongong. Access there, so you don't want that to happen. I think that masks go to come in, and we've got to maintain social distance and just get used to that in order to sort of problem during that is another big area. Just because we're not in the hotspot doesn't mean we should be letting God's down. Well, that's all we've got time for. On Corona's Today. You can tell a friend about us if you like us and don't forget to leave us a review on apple podcasts if you can deliver question or a comment Goto ABC dot net dot US Slash Var to ask us your questions and fill in the form. Be sure to mention Corona Castle. We can find you and you just be confident. All Victorian. Corona Hashers we are thinking about you and we'll see you tomorrow. We'll see.

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Is fame an end in itself? - or can it lead to something much bigger?

All About Access

05:18 min | Last month

Is fame an end in itself? - or can it lead to something much bigger?

"This is the all about access podcast. So let's see what we have lined up for you today high. Pk here in this episode. I'd like to talk about fame famous. Something that most people yearn for but his fame and in itself or can lead to something much bigger. I examined in two thousand seventeen. I was lucky to be a part of the india inclusion summit annual events celebrating inclusion. And those who have achieved something in their lives despite their disabilities the event is widely publicized. And everybody who has anything to do with the disability sector wants to be a part of the event for me. I had just completed ten years in my workplace. Unofficially though it was an opportunity for me to share my experiences by doing so. We also get a chance to inspire many other people. As expected there was wide press coverage of the event. My interview was taken by popular website and soon thereafter. My story was published on their website in the coming months. The story got some fifty thousand odd like slash comments for me. Well i love all the exposure and fame. I had got but then at the end of the day i was the same person and then one day. We received a call from a lady in a faraway small town. This lady had a son with cerebral palsy. The same disability. That i have. She had read my story on the internet and she was inspired. She wanted to know what she could do to make life better for her son. This was something. I had not expected until then but soon i realized that this one call was more valuable than the fifty thousand odd likes. I got this was an opportunity where i could tangibly help someone in need so immediately. I asked her to share her contact details over the next few months i engaged with her directly over email slash phone calls. She even paid us a visit. It was a humbling experience for me in my email. Interactions with her. She would go on to explain at least a couple of core issues that she was facing. Firstly her son had low vision due to which he couldn't read his textbooks from school. Ironically the child was going to a normal school simply because there was no special school in her town and understandably he was facing many issues at school including lack of friends difficulties in coping with whatever was going on in class mobility issues at cetera. Really these were the exact same issues that i had faced but only thing. I had the luxury of being in one of the best special schools that i could go to. At that time. I realized that i had to give my input and suggestions by considering the situation and ground realities that she was in for instance changing. The school could have solved many of the child's problems but it was absolutely impractical. Consequently all the issues related to his school had to be lived with the only place where she could bring in. Some change was her home. I advised her to invest in a computer systems. This she had already done but it was very little use. Because her son had low vision he couldn't see slash read from the computer monitor. So the discussion quickly shifted from hardware to software from purchasing to configuring from what to help over the course of the next few months i was able to guide her through the process of finding solutions and options most suited for her slash. Her sons particular use cases. Bottom line. it has been a huge learning experience for me. It has really helped me. To grow and broaden my outlook. This is something. I could never have got from the remaining fifty thousand. I'd like slash comments. Now there is a fundamental shift. In the way i look at fame everything that comes with now. I no longer see fame as an end in itself for me famous. Now it means something much bigger a whole new kind of learning experience an opportunity to do more good than what would otherwise be possible and definitely an entirely new statement of purpose in my life. All right guys. I'll sign off or now join me on my next podcast soon together. Let's make it more accessible world cheers.

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Two Autism Advocates And The Controversial Movie Called Music

CrazyFitnessGuy Healthy Living Podcast

48:24 min | 3 months ago

Two Autism Advocates And The Controversial Movie Called Music

"This is a crazy fitness guy. Healthy living podcast. That promotes healthy. Living through autistic. is please welcome. Your host jimmy clare. Who is a motivational speaker. Autism advocate author and founder of crazy fitness guy dot com. Make sure you subscribe to our podcast. So he will get notified of every new episode now. Let's get started. You hate listening to ads while watching tv and listening to the radio. So why tolerate them in a podcast. Become a premium subscriber. Crazy fitness guy. Healthy living podcast. When you subscribe you can listen to our podcast at free get early access to episodes before it's published anywhere else and you can listen to all the bloopers that were unedited subscribed today for just four dollars. Ninety nine cents per month to learn more about our premium. Podcast go too crazy. Fitness guy dot com slash healthy living podcast and click on the become a premium number button or click on crazy fitness guy premium. Podcast lincoln the show description becoming a premium subscriber. You will help us to continue to create content and to keep our lights on another episode. Crazy fitness guys healthy living podcast Today is a special bonus episode for the week. For the month of february jacob blake elements that a week Nervous that'd be really short month Anyway because it's bonus episode i hope you guys With all your family members friends and everyone else and please review it. Give me feedback all appreciated. And let's just dive into this. So i have my friend here. Dana is is an autism advocate. She was on my podcast Last year One of the episodes we talked about. Today we're gonna talk about the movie music that just came out and got as getting two nominations for the golden globes and. We both think that it's totally absurd. Because this movie has gone a thousand bad reviews. I kid you not just google and you'll see for yourself. So dina without the with. We both haven't seen the movie but just just by are doing research and everything. What are your thoughts about this horrific movie. Well first of all. I think it's very old school. What they're talking about In today's world people in a spectrum are three two more like human beings instead of lake. Animals were people with mental illness and so Along time ago autism was placed in the middle illness category and so a lot of people were restrained. And you're finding that a lot of people are getting sued for these things at the only fact I know that. I have anxiety disorders. And so they used restraint. Some people were excited and You know what. France didn't understand and You know today. We're going to of course we're still not there but i feel that you know in some hospitals like the state hospitals. There's a lot of lawsuits against restraining and promotes to movie and related with autism. Not much absurd but it's unkind and there's a lot of bruises and it sad because the trauma that was used. Well here's a question has another question for you And if you don't feel comfortable answering it have you ever been before Yes i've been restrained before have been restrained before You know I was around college. So i proof. i was. You know i'm at that age you know Very scary thing. Nobody was helping me. And i felt lost because autism lonely disorder. And i've diagnosed three or four times. And then i had first written tests ever given. So that's why. I can relate you know i have people who Made a movie about me. And they wanted to talk about a person who had full life of who had a lot of friends growing up who had pretty decent life. And then. When i started to each system i had some social problems couch and i was depressed and i ended up in a hospital for twenty four hours and it wouldn't let me use the bathroom and then they grabbed me With both my arms put them behind my back remedios lore. And that's why. I can relate. I can relate to it too because back in Believe it was elmont. Elementary school They put my arms behind my back as well and mark my arms had Not permanent marks but but it was there for like a few hours or maybe a day at least I kind of i i. I remember exactly everything but then my mom told me about it It brought back memories for me. Well thanks to our sponsor to make this podcast happen. If we have heard about the easiest way to make podcasts. Let me explain. It's free creation tools. You record in eddie a podcasts. A phone or computer inc. distributor podcasts. For you so it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts. And many more you can make money from your podcast with. No minimum listeners. Is everything you need to make a podcast in one place. Download the free app or go to anchor. The fm to get started up by the way i forgot to mention it only takes about five to ten minutes to set up. It's simple easy and the best pie is free so download the free anchor up or guitar. Inker dot fm to get started today to create your own podcast at some You have some pretty potent memories of ptsd and you're twenty six years old twenty seven twenty seven. I'm all i'm a dinosaur compared to you so so with you. It was worse because they don't use practices. I'm even my day in. This was backing eighty. So i destroyed twenty one in here supposed to one of the best years of my life. I guess eighty though. I had the test for my day. That pretty early So i was on the asperger's spectrum but autism spectrum was pdd. So i was lucky enough to have these diagnosis. But from what led to my diagnosis. It was almost a blessing in disguise was being put in restraints This was in a hospital. Nobody was helping me and it was the cry i for help i hit i so roommate. try to end your life of so out of curiosity. Did those restraints Help you calm down at all or detain them. Really ticked off It it made me it. First of all i had that later Response with immedi come down but it also made me say a good therapists. Keep it in perspective. But like i was just talking to you about it proves that i could trust you but what happens is i've so much. Ptsd going back to then. I'm glad we're talking about this I saw a lot of people were streamed. 'cause i started off a special school and my mom really knew i could do better choose like you know so. They had this thing called quiet room where did put people in restraints. It was a special school. I was a good student. So i saw people and i was kind of embarrassed and i work my butt off because all that was available to people like us starting in seventy eight and i was needs drink before all my friends were. They didn't my mother thought. Oh it's going to be like a playgroup for her public school sure enough. It was hard work. And i really. I moved out of special. Ed into learning support. But i started off in a special school where like moved away from there into another special school Follow up question for you So how'd without having that haven't seen the movie music and how how. How does it make you feel then that Not that too. In my opinion the director saying it's okay to use restraint to call people on autism spectrum down. How does that feel. No no. it's not it's only gonna make the person worse I think behavior modification is the way to go for Animal therapy or you know. Hey how you feeling right now. It's like ask you don't tell it's an what kind of behavior matic modifications Would you recommend in the hospital or in school or in school It's a lot easier like in special schools for example a point system where you gain points from a get creative with it like i went to the reward system. Sir behavior magnier ever word system positive and negative reinforces. If you do something bad you lose points in you and then you know for example. What you've got all your points which was hundred points Anywhere from ninety six to one hundred every day There was a sticker and that led to big thing sexist participating in Auction in that included. Doing all your work of this. And you know the whole idea. Some people You know a challenging point system. Some schools didn't have the means to do all these things you know for example ordering one show In a day that was old school now. It's like computer time My my when i was growing up my parents gave me some kind of a reward system like for instance a ms cul de to f. i I forget how they set up. After of tasks that will good next cetera or homework tasks it's such a get free time and are something like that I don't remember all the specifics. Because i was really young. I don't May i just kinda just kinda got that my memory because is because it was around the time and my parents told them to stop. That's a great idea to use restraint. And may i just kind of got it on my head and kind of adult put that somewhere else. it's interesting. I was never restrained in school so the fact is when i ended i was. I was never restrained in school. Because i was basically a good kid at dislike had learning disabilities but again well the thing is. We had in some school that i went to Where i'd known my husband. Actually they had a point system and some people had a separate points because their behavior was wrong. And i did see in a school before that That was really bad to the summit. School was based on a montessori approach accepted special needs so they had your montessori stuff like your practical life your hand Your washing dishes. You're cooking and and all that fun stuff. Then they had your art class which is right but I remember they had like You know to resists for one which was great Hey i had cheated have a childhood but we have these two recesses and you know unfortunately they you know took away points for free time for recess Which i really think that that even wrong because kids need to run around so the outside recess. Unfortunately we're older now. But i think that's important and they're going to end up being restrained because kids who have. Add or whatever gonna you know. Have this burned up energy but also believe like i remember this one teacher head. If you got like i was always up there like ninety six or a hundred and You know the end of the day you got like candy in Soda my mom wasn't crazy In the hyperactivity were they had the started like gay people granola bars because of hyperactivity but at the end of one of the things was friday talks and it had things like being attentive in class. Finishing your work. Keeping your hands to yourself in like Being kind of being responsible paying attention. And then you got the stickers and like you got like all tenth and he got look for rookie gut to be the star of the week and everybody got these privileges and then one of the things was an auction or you had these money chips and you've got to buy things at the school store. So these are alt debate listening to add while watching tv and listening to the radio so why tolerate them in a podcast. Become a premium subscriber to crazy fitness. Guy healthy living podcast. When you subscribe you can listen to our podcast ad. Free get early access to episodes before it's published anywhere else and you can listen to all the bloopers that were unedited subscribed today for just four dollars. Ninety nine cents per month to learn more about our premium podcasts. Go too crazy. Fitness guide dot com slash healthy living podcast and on the become a premium number button or click on a crazy fitness guy premium. Podcast lincoln the show description by becoming a premium subscriber. You will help us to continue to create content and keep our lights on to either have alternatives. That really keep people motivated and know so like the challenge. You know prided myself point. And when i became a teacher You know it wasn't going to be their frank because you know of course you want people to like you but the fact is are they learning. You know it's the same thing with a therapist or a person in a hospital you know. I don't understand that restraining gonna make you hate them. So why do so. I got a i. Another question for you I probably have told you this in a few facebook messages But i i read the movie. Music The actor who played the artistic character in the movie. They weren't not even not Themselves what are you. What are your thoughts of this. Well it's very common. Did this happens do you think for me For me to say that is kind of hard. Because i watched several shows with an actor plank. Someone for example good after freddie highmore is not autistic but he plays a a doctor. And that's a very Good because chose that he's going beyond his needs because the truth is from one hundred percent to seventy percent There's about seventy five which is more than fifty seventy five percent. People are autistic on. There are autistic engineers. And it's not. It's most people with autism or brilliant and they're portraying good and then parenthood for example Max bruch older played young. Max braverman got diagnosed with asperger's and i would Fighting nail any better at first and then then It was privileged to find out at sundance that he was going to there and i found out that they had a son he had. He had learned how to walk where i know. Towns like kind of like derogatory but yes it happens so that question is that for him to play for this character music. play somebody who's being restrained. I know what you're talking about so it's not a bad idea but it's not completely a good idea because it's very you know it. Maybe you know see it goes. It goes back and forth with me. There's no have there's no like. I think there's no major of kenny. It's kinda like it can go either way. You think they can you see. Could you could have In your opinion do you think you not in your opinion. But like i i've seen people who From the autism community post about talk about this movie and they said that one of the biggest turnoff for them at the president has an autistic for me. I have to say that doesn't bother me as much. But the restraint part bother me and just then directors negative view of autism. Bother me and i will never buy movie tickets for director who has such high strong opinions about at n. shiels and the director also said that autism needs to be fixed. If that absolutely not. i think why. It's not like the person's brooklyn. It's a neurological disorder. That's like saying that diabetes tests to be fixture. Cancer has to be fixed in or cancer. I could see needs to be fixed. Cancer is a horrible disease but unfortunately we have cure. And thank closer though. Yeah they're getting closer but see. This is a person that speaking from the heart for example autism is just like a learning disability. Learn to overcompensate for you wear to compensate one word of the brain one part of the brain. They doesn't have as much neurological wires in it. A the creative side cup seats for you know. We all have things like whether i like it or not On neurologically impaired. So the whole idea was i was taught who wanted things by going to school when my mother heard about restraints going more than in that one school i went to a kindergarten in their two weeks and got lip than you know so. That was the first time. I was sitting in doubt corner not speaking that much time and so the teacher who had no training A nursing who had no training with special needs and they told me that they were tired. Doing so i went to. I went to the montessori. School were didn't believe in that it was all behavior occasion. And so the whole ideas. Then come back to later on the twenty one year old adult who gives them the right. Secondly that you're never gonna fix autism. 'cause people ask me on panel. Dna it's dna. It's in our dna matter that but here. Here's another thing to tell you that scientists don't even know because you can't fix down syndrome. What's next week chromosome so in. Somebody said to me. Can you get rid of it. Can you get some kind of an operation like it really bothered me. 'cause it's been a part of me for so long like i was really you know. I think that you know my mom. Did some really good. She a family meeting. Can i don't remember but like you know. I think i was like six years. Old seven years old to my sister was for and we had these family meetings. Not that we did it all time but one time my mom said well. This is your sister to be nice and be patient. Her brain works less than you're it's not her fall so the whole idea was You know with any kind of learning disability. It's neurological on it's All compensating it's frustrating. Because teachers get burnt out because they think that they can have a hundred good kids and be only deal. Maybe one makes progress. Maybe can we raise the bar so far. There was some buddy that said. Don't ever reach the bar for your daughter because not gonna go far in on. I finished college. I've been on my own since nineteen and you know is techno idiot is feel. I'm kidding their mind you but technology's not think because some old school fifty three in your younger I love technology. I have a love hate relationship with it. Yes so do. I need some days i love it. Works perfectly when it agrees with me but when i'm having a bad day it doesn't work You know sometimes. I can you know so the whole idea because some neurologic repaired and it's not my thing but you give me a pen pencil and i'll be able to put together story for you so we're all good at certain things so what happens in. This movie seemed through lumping all autistic people together and seeding that they can fix us and using restraint by using restraints. So that's why. I really don't like the message sending out but i'm dan sickles. Who who made by film had said that we're not these raving reporters through going to jump in there and say ooh. I gotta get a juicy story out regina grasping at straws with this movie like because because of the pandemic they didn't have enough movies to review so This like the This movie two nominations for two golden globe awards and like. That's a stretch. You know what they put this movie under when the golden globes music slash comedy. Do you see any comedy bits in this movie. Because i know i as Install i see it is insulting. I see it as insulting to a personally myself. Who even went out to teach people like me. Because i saw what ed sickles did. That stance ical her. Who was self proclaimed advocate. And i used to sit in my mom. Hey if it's tickles has a learning disability which was dyslexia by the way and graduated with to a bachelors and a masters degree I can certainly him. And then i found my way to other things like autism peer specialists. And that's exactly what autism specialist specialized in being friend first. So it's like under therapist and like so. The whole idea was a lot of people end up in the mental health system. Like myself from traumas. Ptsd from the way. I was treated but also like That so with other movies you know. Dan had made a very good point. He said that people who came to him and said oh. Look they have prints and dan was like. Oh no shit response you know like these people they have friends these people. You know like Someone to look. They have a really big social life. This was somebody in one of the the There were some people he showed it to a bunch of people at the qna of and then we were on We were on With college should of a bunch of professors and they were like oh like somebody had said you Most people thought it was amazing of felt that felt seem dreams and hoax that me and scott had felt steward to seek individuals. Thought it was great. Scott now were settings new trend before even before. scott I had a pretty big life but so does that my question before we wrap up do you think and i'm just going to let bust off the road movies about real quick before i get to question So because of this movie has a negative view of autism and needs to be fixed And there's no fixing say and been trying to work on their fix for many many years and still hasn't got anywhere to Uses restraint in the movie and their message is it's okay to Is restraint on autism spectrum as a thousand reviews and it's under a category that i don't really think it belongs under this category now to give to be fair to it. I haven't seen it. Are you have our and you didn't have and you haven't seen it might have really good music and well that sounds redundant but then in the movie music But ends i impress me does really have getting music. But i don't like their message and but i wanna ask Do you feel in your opinion what you see this movie based on the the now just a bad message the bad reviews and do you think it deserves to golden globe. Nominations need personally. I don't thinking Because of the way that i feel about it. I have to say no Would i see this movie. I don't think so as much as part of me wants to take a peek into what it might look like. I've had some people said to me and my family that that some people suggested. Hey maybe he wants to Take just watch it to Learn more and research it but in my opinion and maybe feel the same way as well. I don't want to buy a movie ticket. I didn't disney. Movie theaters are open at the moment. Anyway they are news to me I mean at least the ones near where i am. There's nothing he just advertise. Tom and jerry which sometimes seat the cartoon like to see that movie. I like animation. I used to watch it when i was kid. Back in the cat and the mouse and they're supposed to give him a foist cited. Yeah mid to but anyway about east were silent keep cat. They were silent and there was so funny because we both had voice in silence now. They're getting voice in tom's going to be run. And jerry's gonna be kind one but as zing I whatever movie ticket costs After this pandemic or during the pandemic at this movie theaters up in Wherever wherever in any location in movies either as open I don't want to spend a movie ticket and expensive movie ticket and gave it to director with such strong opinions that basically tell me she's basically in my in my in my opinion That i need to be fixed. There's something wrong with me. Why do i want to support that. I'm sorry i agree with well. You know I've had people say to my mom. well Will she get rid of it. You know before. I had the test still like somebody the person first of all when i i. It came out like some earning disabilities by the first couple of years of my life and it was like well. She has a learning disability. He can do to get rid of it. When my mother's simple where you've been because people with learning disabilities and down syndrome and You know autism end. My mom said hey. You know what Hate listening to add while watching tv and listening to the radio so why tolerate them in a podcast. Become a premium subscriber to crazy fitness guy. Healthy living podcast. When you subscribe you can listen to our podcast at free get early access to episodes before it's published anywhere else and you can listen to all the bloopers that were unedited subscribed today for just four dollars and ninety nine cents per month to learn more about our premium. Podcast go too crazy. Fitness guide dot com slash healthy living podcast and click on the become a premium number button or click on the crazy fitness guy premium. Podcast lincoln the show description by becoming a premium subscriber. You will help us to continue to create content and to keep our lights on. I'm not going to be upset any more because she does have lots more getter scoring because people were keeping baby. Sit up down syndrome and my theory also is that people need to stop getting test for down syndrome and let it be whatever god wants the child to be because it's not so bad because with babies today down syndrome with down to head a full life and so it's not the life that you want for your child or it's not the life that these doctors might have wanted. But i was brainwashed to believe that it's bad so you know what as an advocate by gruza person. Chris like you know. We live in such a prejudiced world. That are thinking become like certainly see what i'm saying. Everything told find my wonderful mother that we're not gonna fix you. We love you just the way you are with that zone. So that's the whole idea so i bet you. If i saw that restraint movie i started to cry. And feel like being a hypocrite in a nice thing to add something quick before we wrap up The movie music director also stated and I haven't seen any other recent articles. Nuts that it has been fixed at the moment she. The director said that she is gonna cut after That she would cut out the restraint parts in the movie. And she and ngos said they would be a disclaimer. Are warning message. 'unanimity for a Our That because of this movie and the messages sans and when it was released. Guess what you're missing the the The message of the The warning message and warning label was still not added so me to say these forty labels some of the subject matter where bands and that that didn't that the morning labels were naive in there. And i don't think it still is there and if it is i'll take it back but I haven't seen an article recently. That i haven't seen anything. That was up davis. Only that's says it's now there but it should. Have you know the way that i deal with things. Because today we have a clear view and the difference between now unfortunately And people like myself from. When i was a child was we had a different view. And if you have good parents that my mom was an advocate for me Veins she went to the school board lot and complained to belt. It was beneath me. Didn't let me get by on thinks a treated me like you know. Sometimes you don't like that you wanna get off easy but the whole idea. She used to tell me. That's because i believe in you because you're just like everybody else you might have own learning disability. But then they started calling learning difference like in the eighties and people stopped going to special schools. And you know it's a big mixed bag. Everything isn't expected. There's no not one theory that works you know. It's kind of like a person who has mental illness. And i'm gonna see mental illness. Because it's in the brain whereas cancer and diabetes physical problems so like for example nor autism is only earning disability sort of its neurological In the brain so like with ad steets seem think. Sometimes there's drugs to regulate your brain and assist brain doctor out there and i'm not making this up but we have all these tests for physical problems but like for autism like they don't go around saying oh we need to clean our brains out right now or people doctors really need. Say's you need to find tuna like there's adaptor that actually discovers the autism brain and thurs. I have some good reading literature. Because i had to be trained in these subjects but i got interested in it because i started an advocacy. I still am. I always remember where. I started as like a person that had bad things happen. Like a restraint and i know what it's like to feel low But i can't harp on that because you know so my opinion is that when you have a baby and they have something wrong with them. Take him home and you'll love him any accept them and you find ways to raise the bar instead of fixing them and then chances are they won't end up in that situation where we're going to be restraint. 'cause like few keep telling them that their problems there going to end up in situations like that and you know you. You hope that this message comes out more positive movies to seal autism. I mean people want to go tick and see it. I'm not really gritty. I mean well kind of i mean for me I'm not gonna go see it. And to not gonna watch golden globes this sunday because of the hollywood foreign press of giving two nominations. Will you be watching the golden globes with sunday. Because i'm not. No i don't think so while i'm not too thrilled about what's going on anyway in movie theater are been and And i don't think the choices are very good. I think you're putting a bunch of movies out here just by time on because people need to look at good doctor that if you get seventy five to eighty percent chance the your child could become a doctor halfway there like and that's because parents are like now that's not going to happen. It's just for tv. No it's based on a real story. Div hate listening to add while watching tv and listening to the radio. So why tolerate them in a podcast. Become a premium subscriber to crazy fitness. Guy healthy living podcast. When you subscribe you can listen to our podcast at free get really access to episodes before it's published anywhere else and you can listen to all the bloopers that were unedited subscribed today for just four dollars. Ninety nine cents per month to learn more about our premium. Podcast go too crazy. Fitness guide dot com slash healthy living podcast and click on the become a premium number button or click the crazy fitness guy premium. Podcast link in the show. Description by becoming premium subscriber. You will help us to continue to create content and to keep our lights on for. It's not it's based on a real story that This boy Was autistic so yes. He had challenges but his ability. His i q was very high but autism faces some social challenges and i've learned to socialize. You know on what one kind somebody interviewed me and they said you know very normal to face social challenges but then there's me that what they said why was it did. I adapted so well. I don't know maybe i took what i could instead of feeling broken. 'cause you know i don't like when people say that mental health is broken brains to break in the brain that sounds for derogatory that we need to say that mental illness or autism. It's a common cold that When you have a cold you take medicine sometimes with mental illness. A you take medication. It whatever works or you fill it up with knowledge and you get out of the ignorance game Teach yourself real. It's with anything so So let's i'm going to wrap up this show and thanks for come on and discussing this They're horrific movie called music and and for people and for people who want to learn more about the movie music. Just do your research in google. You can't miss it There's so many of you on autism. Watch the dina movie yeah. Watcher dina movie and and make sure You share this episode and subscribe and mirror. Please leave me review if you enjoy keeping in touch with owner page and also we might be doing something or mental illness Breaking the stigma that were not broken. We have it s mcpeek on my show yet are kidding but anyway And make sure you share this episode of family friends. 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Lise Meitner and the bittersweet story of a nuclear genius

Science Friction

25:30 min | 2 years ago

Lise Meitner and the bittersweet story of a nuclear genius

"This is an ABC podcast. Attention mature joining me for sides frictions. Been following the fall at this past week after a young computer, scientists Katie Bowman became a target for trolls in IT had got all excited about katie's contribution to the algorithm. Dada. Crunching that pace together that I ever incredible pizza of a black hole in kind of missed. It was everywhere humanity revealed a picture of something so huge and amazing even I'm Stein had not dared dream it exists. We have seen what we thought was unsuitable and in the process one member of the telescope team became an instant icon predicted black hole that you would see this ring a white beat knowing we're going to get that ring Cutty was a student at MIT when she did the work. So they posted a photo of her on social media jago Katie go team black hole run. And then the internet ruined it within hours debates on Reddit questioning her credibility, Instagram, profiles and. Twitter accounts and towns YouTube result for the name. Katie Bowman included a video arguing that she'd done far less work than men on her team. It was the internet at its worst. Andrew shale the colleague getting much of the credit in the viral post targeting Bowman quickly came to her defense a now viral tweet of his own writing while I appreciate the congratulations on a result that I work hard on for years. You congratulate me because you have a sexist vendetta against Katie. Please go away and reconsider your priorities in life. NBC's Jake ward reporting on the whole crazy saga, and he's Katie Bowman has self speaking Celtic where she starts his an assistant professor of computing mathematical sciences in June. This was a huge team effort. I know like right now in the media. There's a lot of stuff going around. I single handedly the alleged project as far from the truth as possible. So I just wanna make sure everyone knows from the beginning this effort of lots and lots of people for many years. Rick and the women in science a century before us would be northing probably shaking their heads. Once. I got over the bizarre thing, we call the internet at least unders patrols when with I thi- the base that white hundred bridge in the fairytale snow wash nothing's of change and yet half things have stayed the same because women back vein which rolled in. Otherwise, if you call it the past two shows we were digging into the historical controversy surrounding Albert Einstein's fist wife Malaysia marriage on Stein over where this she was a hidden contributor to Elba tes famous work, including his theory of special relativity. And I want to bring you more of the conversation are shed for with historian of science and k missed professor Ruth Lou inside because she's author of an influential bog Raphy about another extraordinary person in the history of science who as it heavens is also a woman, the most famous discovery that leaves a minor is assoc-. Hid with is the discovery of nuclear fission, which even to this day is something that people talk about because the effects of nuclear fission both for weapons and for energy is still with us. Of course. Power man has released from within the atoms. Heart is not one, but many giants one is the warrior the destroyer. Another is the engineers seeking to provide vast quantities of energy to run the world's machines still another is the healer. The big discovery that heralded the nuclear revolution of the twentieth. Century elbowed on Stein, code lace, Amata our Mara Curie, but always interested in this famous Austrian physicist because of the contrast between her experiences, and Malaysia and Elwood's she was of the same generation as van which means as we heard with Malaya's story. She came of age as a scientist when women were Bailey late into European universities. You've described those Ailey women as double outside since they were unconventional as women in that they were women who didn't just choose to marry and have families and in the scientific professions. They were complete rarities it total exceptions and not fully accepted into this, very mailed domain, and those that did manage to become scientists and and were accepted by their immediate peers, those who knew them and understood that they work with good. They still the larger scientific community still regarded them as strange, so they were double exceptions that way. Yeah. So strange. They went to university and date to become scientists Malaya's hoped for a career in science was truncated after her marriage to Elbert Lisa naval married and her scientific career took off and the striking parallels in Lisa L Whitman. Alive is lives continuing down to fleeing the Nazis and the small meta of Nobel prize. Yes, very close parallels. Lease Meitner was three years younger. They both grew up in Austria, Hungary, where they both had the same disadvantages with respect to education. Lease miners family was not as well office malay- family. So she did not go to any special schools, but Hartley because of Malaysia and the women who came earlier, the Austrian universities open to women in eighteen ninety seven and I was just in time for LIZA Meitner to to enter the universities. She was I think twenty three when she first entered the university in Vienna. So she was one of the women who benefited from the pioneering efforts of women like Malaysia. And it seems that they both head fathers who advocated for them. And that was extremely typical for women that. That time well into the twentieth century that as girls, they had a father who advocated for them who told him that they could do it and who supported them, of course, not only psychologically, but also financially because it was usually expensive in Europe for a girl to get a an education of preparatory education. When she first arrived in Berlin, she had no status whatsoever. To her great surprise. She found that the universities and Berlin, we're not even open to women students when she arrived there in nineteen oh seven, but she asked mocks plunk if she could sit in on his classes, and he allowed her to be an auditor, and she looked around for a place to work and auto Han said that he would like to work with a physicist in radio activity, and so she was extremely fortunate just to have that chance, but she had no position whatsoever. She was considered to be a guess. East? She had no position. She had no money. Leiper completely and she had no prospects at that point forever. Getting a position because women were absolutely excluded. From even the lowest level ranks of German scientific work. Lisa into the university of Vienna. Renonwed one hundred one nine hundred hundred six I think she became the second woman is that rot ever to be boarded a doctorate of physics. This was the beginning of whole host of firsts. I wasn't at what did she go on to become to do one of the things. I want to emphasize is how much support a woman needed if she was going to be successful. At all what Lisa got was when she went to Berlin. She had tremendous good luck. That was a young man just her age who offered her a place in his lab. So that they could work together on radio activity, and that was Otto Hahn who became her colleague for thirty one years they worked under the same roof. But the first start that she got. In his lab was something that was basically extremely good luck. She would never have been able to prove herself. And then other people took notice there was mocks plunk the were a male Fisher these were very famous professors, and they gave her a position with pay. Eventually basically her career was a series of I for for the inclusion of women into German science. She was made a professor and she was given her own laboratory eventually by nineteen twenty where she did independent research and became one of the first people who did pioneering research in what became known as nuclear physics, and they basically regarded her as an exception to be sure they were not ready to accept all women. But they saw in her an exception, which he was an exceptional scientists and a delightful person somebody that they liked and wanted to include. And this was how she made her way. And she became extremely. In German physics. She was distinguished as Marie Curie at that point in the nineteen twenties. Internationally prominent as well, isn't it extrordinary that Elwood on stone cold out Murray Curie when he we are telling the story of how leases are- was able to be pushed Ford and thrive at least until a certain point and Malaya's wind. Absolutely nowhere as Elwood on stan's. Fist wife. Yes. It is extraordinarily. And it's it's it's quite sad. In a way, the woman that that he was closest to was not somebody that he could apparently support in her own intellectual life. Should she have shade the non teen forty four Nobel prosecute mystery with who collaborator of so many decades auto Han for the discovery of nuclear fission. Yes, she absolutely should have shared in the discovery. It's it's a complete injustice that she was overlooked. It's as if at that point in the nineteen thirties when Hitler came to power, basically, her luck ran out. It certainly is an injustice that she did not share the Nobel prize with auto Hawn or get a Nobel prize on her own in physics for the discovery of nuclear fission. The discovery itself was the end result of a four year long scientific investigation, which was initiated by her in Berlin in nineteen thirty four she recruited auto Hawn to work with her as a chemist, and they recruited another chemist for Strassmann to work with them. And they were a team in Berlin for four years. In nineteen thirty eight. She had to scape from Germany because she was Jewish and because she was about to lose her position. She went to Sweden she continued to communicate by letter with Han very regularly. They still kept working on the investigation and the in December of nineteen thirty eight on reported to her that they had found something unexpected that when they irradiate uranium with neutrons, they found they had bury him as a product and berry MS much smaller nucleus than uranium. So that was the first indication that something very unusual was happening with the Iranian nucleus, and he communicated that immediately to Meitner she responded at once that this was not impossible that the uranium nucleus would break up. And so that basically was the discovery of nuclear fission, and as I see it, and as as documents show, it LIZA might contributed to that. Education, even after she left Berlin right up until the end a few months after she left. It turned out that in Nazi Germany auto Hawn and Strauss could not include her name on their publication. And so the publication of the barium finding went out under the names upon and Strauss mon- only and then lease a Meitner with her nephew. Did the first theoretical interpretation of the fish and process, which also was a great discovery. And they were also the first to name the process in English nuclear fission. So she's very much associated with the discovery. But people who didn't understand how the discovery took place attributed the discovery to and Strauss men because their names were on the paper. And only Han got the Nobel prize. It has remained very controversial decision. It's one of the Nobel decisions that has been regarded as as almost scandal at the time by other physicists, and by other scientists who recognize it might in our had taken part in the discovery. So after fleeing the Nazis, Lisa Martin and lost out on the nineteen forty four Nobel prize for chemistry. Eat went to her longtime collaborator and framed auto Han in stage, but she had all the concerns on mind when he nine hundred forty five she wrote to him in a visceral Bing later are written many lead. It's in my thoughts in the last few months. They corresponded regularly throughout the laws, but these Salita stands out because it was clear to me that even people such as you have not comprehended the reality of the situation like many other non-jewish scientists tons died in Germany under Nazi rule his confession contributed to the country's wartime. If it to develop nuclear weapons, and yet after the war, he proudly distinguished himself as a no nutsy. He detested Ruth Lewin. Sometime says hey, presented Jim in science has somehow undiminished. In excellence. Untouched by it's national socialist past giving it a a persona that was historically empty and politically sterile sciences, somehow appear enterprise Untited by the hell of history that Lisa Martin a sore his choices differently and in June, non in forty five ROY these. You worked for Nazi Germany. You did not even try passive resistance. To absolve your consciences. He helps some press person here in the but millions of innocent people were allowed to be moded. And there was no protest. That you I betrayed your friends, then you'll men NGO children in the alleged them give their lives in a criminal war. And finally, you try Germany itself because even when the will was completely hopeless. You never once spoke out against the meaningless destruction of Germany in the last few days. One is heard of the believably gruesome things in the concentration camps, it overwhelms everything one previously feed. I have just returned from the Belsen concentration camp. I passed through the vani and found myself in the world of a nightmare typhus typhoid if some of them is decay lay strewn about their faces of the window flow near emaciated faces of stopping the week. I saw man wondering days along the road staggered on someone else look down at him took him by the heels and dragged him to the side of the road to join the other bodies lying on bury the dead and the dying Lakers together. I found a girl she was a living skeleton. She was stretching out her stick of an arm and gasping, something it was English English medicine medicine, and she was trying to cry but had not enough string. Perhaps you remember that while I was still in Germany. I often said to you as long as only we have sleepless nights and not you things will get better in Germany. But you had no sleepless nights you did not want to see it was uncomfortable. I beg you to believe me that everything I write. He's an attempt to help you. Lacan Stein as juice scientist laser head to flay Nazi Germany. I'm in the parallels are endless he in these stories between Malaysia Elbert and laser she had to flay Nazi Germany, not in thirty eight to save her life. She lost her status. She had an entry level job in Sweden on the other hand on stan's career continued to skyrocket as he flayed Nazi Germany Martin ahead, quite the opposite experience to Elbit quite the opposite experience for minor. So so what was the difference? Well, part of it was that Sweden was a much smaller scientific community there were more rigid hierarchies, and she came in as an immigrant, and as foreigner. And as a person who didn't know sweet it this way dish language, and of course, she was a woman, and there may even. Have been an an anti-semitic thread in this unpleasant story. But the main problem was that she did not get along with the person who's institute she'd been indicted to come to his name was Mani seek bun. He was the most powerful physicist in Sweden. He was on the Nobel committee's as were his students. He donated the Nobel physics committee, and he basically saw to it that she would not get a Nobel prize, despite the fact that during the course of her life, she had forty eight Nobel nominations of which about thirty five were for nuclear fission. Wow. So even within credible success all has accomplishments. Do you know what impact that had on her Ramoche inally the original impact when she discovered that? She was not nearly as welcome in Sweden is-. She had hoped that she would be she was devastated because for a number of reasons. Was that she didn't have the equipment or the support to do to do her research, and because she just had lost so much. She had lost her status. She had lost income is she had social so little income that she had to think about whether to send a letter if she could afford the stamps, and of course, she had left behind in most devastating way all the things that she had worked for in the course of her of her career, and and she was left with nothing at the age of sixty it. It was very devastating, and it appears that they were periods where she was quite despondent. But she kept on working the entire time that she was there in eventually she after World War Two. She did get a better position in Sweden and worked there for a number of years before she retired. I'm thinking then of the parallel story of Malaysia who didn't even get into a scientific career despotic respirator to do. So. Can we imagine? Can we Paul the size? What would if they mean packed Malaysia of having to give up her scientific career as she had children and supported helping on stan's exploding Korea. It must have been very similar because her dream for years had been to work as as a scientist either in physics or in mathematics, and she she was able to realize none of this. It is must have been absolutely devastating to her. And yet it is also clear that unlikely who never as far as we know had a serious relationship and always remained single by choice. It's clear that Malebo wanted to have a marriage and family, and this was very difficult for women at that time. Of course, we know that Marie Curie did everything two Nobel prizes. She was a wife mother of two daughters. She was. Was remarkable exception. But most women at that time who aspired to a career many women of that time did not marry because they felt they could only do one thing and that they needed to devote themselves to their work and some states I were on the allowed to do one thing. And I'm wondering to what extent we know with a history is infused with hidden stories of women, scientists working alongside the scientific husbands or other mile relatives. And we just don't know they contribution. I think that is must absolutely be the case. And the question of of women who whose contributions we just don't know of. It's a very interesting question before women were able to get a university education. That was there were many cases of women who did work with their husbands who are even learned from their husbands and then worked with their husbands because they wanted to do. Science and because this gave them a chance to do it. And so the the idea of scientific couples goes back hundreds of years because that was the only way or one of the only ways that a woman could actually work as a scientist. And and do what she wanted. And we often don't know about those women because historians only recorded with amended or because it was only the man who could put his name on the scientific publication and so on. So we only hear about it indirectly through documents through letters correspondence that we get an inkling of some of those women, and I'm sure there's many women that we we will never know of what do you think we have to think women like malivert marriage and Lisa Montana four today. We have to thank them for for doing everything they possibly could for getting out there and working and striving and being ambitious and LIZA might nurse case. She did in his. Tana Shing amount and became an example for people all over the world for for male. Scientists to recognize that women could be scientists as good as they were in Malaysia's case, her contributions are less obvious. But they're still there. She was in that first group of young women in of her generation who went in in rather large numbers to the universities to get an education, and who proved to the older generation and two men in general that women could do it. And the result of that was the universities were were open to women. Marie Curie really stands out as an anomaly, doesn't she and. Yes aims to Bain that unique fully collaborative relationship between her and a husband Pierre. Yes. From from the very beginning. And the fact that he was in establish. Scientists when they marriage he was quite a bit older. And so he he had a job and a position, and he could offer her a place to work, and she also had teachers and mentors who were who've you'd very positively and who helped her as well, and they were threatened by her genius. I mean PA was not threatened by her genius it saints. That's right, Ruth, Lou and sign thank you so much for joining me. It's interesting to talk to you about laser. And the live is legacy. Onsite grateful to you. Thank you. I want to thank you for your good questions. It was fun to talk to you. Lace Amata died in nineteen sixty eight Ruth Lou and psalms bookies code lace might never life. In physics originally published by the university of California price catch up with the whole series about on Stein's, first wife Malaysia in the science fiction podcast fade, and you can catch me on Twitter at the Tesha Mitchell. Love to hear from the back with you next week from more culture and science with extra spots. You've been listening to an ABC podcast. Discover more great ABC podcasts. Live radio and exclusives. On the IB say listen up.

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Bench press: Trumps Supreme Court pick

The Economist: The Intelligence

23:37 min | 9 months ago

Bench press: Trumps Supreme Court pick

"Hello and welcome to the intelligence on economist Radio I'm your host Jason Palmer. Every weekday, we provide a fresh perspective on the events shaping your world. Until. Recently, the only likely career that a blind person in China could hope for was in massage. Our correspondent meets with blind students studying for the country's fearsome university exam confines that at last things are changing a bit. And you're boring supermarket. Is a descendant of spuds originating on an island off Patagonia called. We pay a visit to check out the two, hundred, eighty, six local types. Ask why that riotous variety of colorful nominee potatoes isn't found elsewhere. But I. Do. Nominate one of our nation's most brilliant. And gifted legal minds to the Supreme Court. She is a woman of unparalleled achievement. Towering intellect sterling credentials and unyielding loyalty to the Constitution Judge Amy Coney Barrett. On Saturday President Donald Trump nominated judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. I doubt Roman Catholic and Notre Dame. Law School Graduate Baird is a favourite among religious conservatives who are a key trump voter bloc while liberals voiced concern if confirmed, she'll replace Liberal Justice Ruth Bader, Ginsburg who died earlier this month. Her appointment could change the ideological balance of the court for decades. I have no illusions that the road ahead of me will be easy either for the short term or the long haul. imagined. I would find myself in this position. But now that I am I, assure you that I will meet the challenge with both humility and courage. ME, Coney Barrett is young at forty eight years old she is deeply conservative. Stephen. macy is our Supreme Court correspondent. She's been a judge since two thousand seventeen on the seventh circuit court. Of Appeals, in Chicago, before that, she taught for fifteen years at Notre Dame law school in Indiana where she garnered the top teaching prize three times, she has been supported in both her seventh circuit nomination and the Supreme Court nomination by both or. Students and her colleagues. She cited Justice Antonin Scalia in a Rose Garden statement as one of her mentors, and in fact, she clerked for Justice Scalia after she finished law school from Notre Dame. Okay. It sounds as if she's clearly talented but that can't be the only reason that Mr trump picked her exactly. Since the nineteen eighties Republicans have had in their crosshairs Roe versus Wade The nineteen seventy three supreme court ruling that legalized abortion nationwide. The court has overseen a chipping away of abortion rights since then but the central holding of Roe that women have the right to terminate their pregnancies before the fetus is viable has remained intact that may be about to change Miss Barrett believes that life begins at conception she's written that abortion is immoral. She joined rulings on the seventh circuit giving states licensed to restrict abortion. So if Miss Barrett has confirmed, the Supreme Court may soon have a majority to erase row from the books and turn the question of abortion rights back to the individual states. That's the particular concern for those who support abortion rights because. In many of her at the writings judge, Barrett has said the justices should pay more attention to their conception of what the constitution means than to president than to the way previous courts have looked at a question. So she seems ready to jettison rulings. She views as incorrect and does she take an equally conservative line on other issues? Yes. She is conservative pretty much across the board. Let's take gun rights in two thousand, nineteen judge. Barrett said that there was a natural right of self-defense that animated the Second Amendment, when she was dissenting from a ruling that allowed states to ban convicted felons from owning guns. That position. Putzer to the right even of Justice Antonin Scalia her mentor and the author of the two thousand eight decision in District of Columbia versus Heller that had originally decided that there is an individual right to own guns in the second. amendment. Given those conservative US would've of the implications of her appointment for the balance of the Court Jason The implications are dramatic. This is president trump's most consequential pick yet in two, thousand, seventeen and twenty eighteen. He replaced Republican appointed justices with mostly like minded successors with some differences whereas Judge Barrett. If you replaces Justice Ginsburg, a liberal icon will be knocking the Supreme Court off of its ideological equilibrium for decades and how have Democrats reacted to. The decision, the appointment Democrats oppose pick not only because of her conservative views. But because of what they see is the policy of Senate Republicans in Two Thousand Sixteen Republican senators refused to so much as give a hearing to Merrick Garland. Barack Obama's pick to take Mr scully's seat when he died in February and they said it was based on the principle that it was an election year and voters should have a voice who fills that vacancy since Ginsberg's death they have abandoned that position and much closer to the election and even as early voting several states has begun Democrats have vowed to fight the nomination, but they simply lacked the numbers in the Senate to block her appointment to. They can do about it. If they manage to win control of the Senate back hold onto the house, and if Joe Biden wins, they are considering either expanding the Supreme Court to give them a chance to appoint more justices and rebalance it ideologically or less radical. But actually more difficult proposition would be to impose term limits on future Supreme Court appointments problem with that is that it may be unconstitutional and it's the Supreme Court itself that would decide if term limits comport with article three of the Constitution. The more immediate thing Democrats seem to be doing is to focus on the issue of healthcare. There is a constitutional challenge to the affordable care act coming up one week after election day and if Judge Barrett is in Justice Ginsburg she will have an opportunity to do what she suggested several years back, which is to strike down the affordable care act by drawing attention to what this means in the middle of pandemic for the health care of millions of Americans the Democrats are trying to mobilize people to. Come out and vote for them. But surely, Mr Trump is trying to do the very same thing. He sure is over the past week at his rallies. Donald trump has been stressing his record of installing conservative judges, young judges on the federal. Bench, in an effort to energize his base ahead of the election, you know one of the things we've done so good as the Supreme Court, we have two supreme. Court justices we will have at the end of my term approximately three hundred federal judges and putting. The federal judiciary has undergone a remarkable transformation during his first term. Mr Trump has nominated and seated almost a third of all active appeals court judges in the country. The impact of those decisions will be felt long after Donald Trump leaves office and most likely for the better part of the twenty first. Century. Steven, thanks very much for your time. Always great to be with you Jason. For a lot more analysis, like this, subscribe to the Economist to find the best introductory offer wherever you are just go to economist dot com slash intelligence offer. They say opposites attract and you can't get more opposite than the English and Swiss. Yet when it comes to making watches where a winning combination. English inspiration meet Swiss precision. Like Bacon and eggs or cheese with the holes. Christopher Ward. Ingeniously English. Unsurprisingly. Swiss. Opportunities for visually impaired people have long been limited in China. Since the nineteen fifties, they've largely been pushed into music or massage. It wasn't until two, thousand, fourteen, the China announced blind students would be allowed to take the Kaoh, the grueling national university entrance exam that is key to social mobility. But of the nearly eleven, million students who took the Dow this summer just five took the version in Braille? Life for the blind might be better than it once was, but it remains unimaginably frustrating. Recently had the amazing experience of meeting twenty blind Chinese youngsters who are among the tiny number going into university in higher education. This awesome David Rennie is our Beijing bureau chief they were in Shanghai. They were special residential course organized by charity to prepare not not just for things like finding a library or funding the university canteen, but also things like how to go on a date. rookus Student Policy Games. And apart from older student fund, which was there also talk of career paths that was the most striking positive. This long close I watched the first day in China particularly since the Communist Party took over in nine, hundred, forty nine. There have been very fixed pods for what blind young people go into the open vacation schools originally for disabled Red Army veterans that essentially their life was going to be either a musician or most common goal to. Work, as a massar in a state ramassage clinic or a private massage parlor one of the most amazing speakers this week long course was an activist called side Song he himself lost his sight when he was ten years old very bright kid but the only college that he was allowed to go to a bland massage college, he finally persuaded his parents to let him actually quit. That's into work as radio journalist and he was very clear he said. The maybe nothing wrong with being a Messa as long as it's your choice that message, you could see on the face of these young people was kind of inspiring message about how much freedom they should have that they very rarely heard in the past. So the the blind in China have more opportunities now than they have ever before perhaps what changed this is probably the best time in the whole of Chinese history to be blind or visually impaired. But it still incredibly difficult. What has changed is that the whole of China has become more prosperous open to the world is had money to build special schools for the handicapped. It's ratified international agreements and one of the big changes was that until twenty fourteen, it did not matter how clever or good you are at school. You were simply not allowed if you're blind to take the national university entrance exam, the Kaoh Education is the ladder of social. Mobility and the Kaoh is the gate that you have to pass through. But it's very frustrating because although they changed the lure blankets cannot take it off versions of the exam in Braille or super large print. Since two thousand fifteen there hasn't been a single year when I've been more than ten children in the whole of China taking the Blind Gaucho and if you do the maths, there should be as many as eight, hundred, thousand and for. Those who do want to take the exam? What are the obstacles that remain lot of universities including some of the best in China say that for health and safety reasons they simply content outline students. There's about thirty universities that do even those don't systematically offer things like tests that students can take. The single biggest problem is what American campaign is in other contexts of called the soft bigotry of low expectations when I interviewed it, side the campaign he. said that there's this idea that it's dangerous for blind students to go too far from the home would have to Ambien, and they should take what's given them. So he that you're the Nikkei should Ni fung Tung each harsher walk he said, basically, people have an attitude towards the blind including education officials. What we choose to give you is best for you. So despite all these obstacles, blunt students do take the exam they do go on to university. Like the ones you met in Shanghai that must take tremendous grit. It really does this two ways of getting into higher education. Most of the people that I met in Shanghai they're actually going to not full universities and they took special version of the Gaucho that there were five students this summer who took the food cow one of those was that in Shanghai Gold, answer you and he achieved what would be a really good guy school for anyone. To Campbell should call. To explain that that involved having his homework and his schoolwork reds to him by his parents he then had to learn Braille, which is really ill-suited to translating Chinese characters and very clumsy and slow to use. It was very striking when I asked you this student who did really well in the Kaoh after all of these obstacles, he's being written out quite a bit in Chinese state majors kind of success story. He's not sure how ambitious he gets to be. Onto A. Dying then, Israel? said that maybe he should be a teacher at the blind school so that he can set a good example but he also admitted that he's heard that going to university often leaves all students with the idea that maybe they can do more or. You'd. Rather shy said to me that he thinks that maybe that might be how he feels to and what about the the other route to university that you mentioned the more common path, which is still exceedingly rare. The national level is to go to a specialist school for the disabled and then to a specialist higher education collision toothy teenagers at the course in Shanghai goes, Conon John, Shoushan, they'd taken that. All. Mind shell shaping she which how'd you get on the admitted the education and go to the High School for the blind was vastly different and not nearly as rigorous. The truth is there parents wouldn't let them attendant ordinary high school. Will. Know. Shallow shirt. A lot of blind people lead very closed off lives. She credits the Internet and things like screen reading software on smartphones with completely transforming her ability to connect the world. Those are very moving moment when I asked Hong Kong what her hopes off the future. Shall see need you try and choose explaining that she wants to be a psychotherapist and that's because she wants to help other Chinese know that the blind as capable as other people and then she of. Shama Sound Rochon show. Have other small dreams such as doing something for the blind community people. And she began to cry she didn't want any sympathy she crossed with. I says because that's the cool thing I think that I took away from these really courageous kids in Shanghai they absolutely don't want pissy unload expectations. All they want is an equal chance to show what they can do of course, and that must go beyond education. I mean what? What is life like for blind people more more broadly in China there's still a huge gap in pazder clearly China's developing country, but it's not tyranny of. Stations it's fascinating that the Chinese public understands how different things are I was in a taxi eighteen months ago in Beijing and we had the conversation about where he followed from the UK and the one thing I drive wants to say was, is it true that there was once a government minister in Britain who was blind because David Blunkett when he was home secretary in the black government visit and it just blew Chinese people's minds that this guy who had been blind from birth was not just to kind of minister for the Disabled Home Secretary the Interior Minister and the fact that this was remembered twenty years later I, think quite revealing. David thanks very much for your time. Thank you. Yes able Meco. News is a celebrated chef who runs the restaurant practice. It's on chill away small island off the coast of northern Patagonia about the size of Delaware. Specializes in regional recipes and local produce rarely seen elsewhere. Dishes include delicately layered seaweed casseroles topped with real octopus and attend cakes rich with peace call randy served with minions his own local berry. Ice Cream. Of the restaurant which forms the base of all of these dishes is the humble potato. For many people around the world at potato is just a potato whether it's Mary's Piper or Russet you don't really think a whole lot about what you're gonNA use it for when you go to the supermarket Mark Johannesen writes about culture for eighteen forty-three, the economists sister magazine. But until away there are distinct potatoes for distinct dishes, be stews or crisp spread porridge dumplings desserts. So almost every recipe on the island has the potato at its heart and soul, and these are not necessarily your common yellow or white spots potatoes from Chile can have purple or pink flesh. They can have bulbous nodes or blotchy insides kind of like a tight shirt. So it's almost as if the potato has dressed up for the circus that is a lot of different potatoes. So there's currently about two hundred, eighty, six varieties onto the way through that's down from historic number closer to about eight hundred in Charles Darwin Pass through in the eighteen thirties. But the amazing thing is that DNA analysis suggests that more than ninety percent of cultivated potatoes, worldwide today descend from varieties that originated in Chile and how did that happen? How did the potatoes from there get everywhere? Yeah I. Think it's it's hard to imagine that something. So integral to die, it's everywhere from Idaho to Ireland is a relatively recent addition to global cuisine but the fact is that most of the world has been eating potatoes for less than five hundred years. So the Indian varietals from Peru and Bolivia were the first to arrive on the far side of the Atlantic. These are what's called shot potatoes, which is to say that they grew in twelve hours of sunlight. So when those potatoes came over to Europe and Asia were being grown at a higher latitudes, they had a bit of trouble because they weren't necessarily used to this extended daylight that you have in the summers stand the late blight epidemic of the mid nineteenth century, which many of us knows the great famine had. Many farmers switching to these varietals brought over from southern G, which has a latitude more similar to that of northern Europe in terms of sunlight actually worked editor in that climate, and there would have evolved through selective breeding and micro evolutions into this bus that most of today that is to say that breeding the reason, the riot of colors you see on Chile today is not what I see in the supermarket. Well not all of the ways potatoes are colorful summer certainly white fleshed but there isn't a whole lot of data as to why the white flesh proliferated and not the colored ones but. Scientists. Think that they're neutral color and versatile cooking capabilities probably gave them advantages over the others took. If you think about other staple crops, Rice or corn, they also come in many different colors but we tend to prefer the most to neutral white or yellow versions of them even when the more colorful ones are often tastier or even healthier, which is surely what the people on July about their potatoes exactly which is why they have so many different varieties that they use for so many different types of dishes but colorful native readies had. In recent days earned a bit of a reputation as a poor man's food potatoes that had gone spread around the world suddenly came back to the way in their new forms, and we're really taking over most of the islands fields. So in the nineteen sixties renounce local ground called JAS contreras launched. What was really a decades long quest to go out and find these local potato gardens. The way in document contents by the time died in two thousand, fourteen hit kind of helped pull many of these Fridays back from the brink of extinction. Potatoes are really one of the main pillars islanders identity. So there's been really a renewed sense of pride in them in recent years. So if there's renewed interest on the island, do you think there could be a greater interest abroad could the colorful varieties that didn't eventually make it out, make it out this time. is so these potatoes are certainly making their way into gourmet supermarkets into fancy crisps, local vodkas, and there have started appearing on the menus of several of Latin. America's top restaurants it to the ways potato gene bank scientists are working on is jeans and the native potatoes that are resistant to disease. So I, think it's safe to say that these colorful leftovers could one day prove as valuable as the spots that got away. But for the people of to the way, you know it's not it's obviously not just about the money for Lorna Mucus, the chef game is really to put this heritage in front of the younger generation so that it is lost forever. Thanks very much for your time mark. Thank you for having me. Mark tells the full story of how potatoes from Chile took over the world in the latest edition of eighteen forty, three, the economists sister magazine. It's available at economist. Dot. com slash eighteen, forty three. That's all for this episode of the Intelligence. If you like us give us a rating on Apple podcasts and see you back here tomorrow.

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Geri Jewell -127

On Mic Podcast

28:45 min | 1 year ago

Geri Jewell -127

"Hello and welcome. It's on Mike with Jordan rich great to be with you in this brand new year as we record it's twenty twenty and conversation Asian is alive and well in the new decade I the contact information email address Jordan chart productions dot com. That's C. H. A. R. T. Chart Productions Dot com where we produce the program program twitter account is at Jordan. WBZ and on facebook. It's the Jordan rich though I guess today is the One and only Jerry Jewell Noda millions his cousin Jerry on the NBC Sitcom the facts of life. She was the first person with a disability to have a role a regular role on a primetime show. She began her career. Doing stand standup comedy. At the comedy store in the late seventies and soon after in nineteen eighty. She performed at the second annual media access awards where she was introduced to the one and only Norman and lear and her career took off. Jerry's appeared on a whole bunch of shows the young and the restless sesame street twenty one jump street the Emmy Award winning movie two of a kind and of course the HBO go hit series. deadwood Jerry Jewell is also sought after as a motivational speaker and trainer in the areas of disability diversity and Geo bt issues. She uses humor so so effectively to bring about attitudinal change creating hope and joy where there's pain so many projects and among them is her autobiography. I'm walking straight as Xichang received the two thousand twelve gold award by the independent publishers. Jerry Jones remarkable performer and an even more impressive human being. Oh and by the way. She has a furry friend friend with her name. Juliet who you might hear from during the interview. So now it's my pleasure to say Jerry Jewell. Let's go on Mike. Yeah well I started doing. Stand up comedy routine. Seventy eight and I was asked to perform at the second annual Media Access Award Award in nineteen eighty though nineteen seventy nine years later and Norman Lear N.. Charlotte lay. Were both in the audience that night and after I did my comedy routine Norman came up to me and said you really funny kid but you will you tell him as it so wait a couple months okay. And he actually. They waited three months. It was three months later that I got a call that he had written me into an episode of the facts of life which Eh crispy nineteen eighty. It was so cool and I also was watching. You do comedy prior to that and let's talk a little uh-huh yeah let's I because I am a big fan of stand up and I know that you worked in one of the most legendary places. The comedy store many many many many. I mean that's where everybody from prior to Robin Williams. They all started their Jerry. They all started. Yeah let's go back even further and chat with you a little bit about your childhood and about when you knew you wanted to perform and why it was so much a goal of yours. Take us back to the early early days when this all started. I born in Buffalo New York that was my disability and and My pants we located in California when I would eighteen months old because at that time the meeting and and shot in instant emergency kid has noses was he. La Pediatric and so Oh my mom and dad basically sacrificed everything and the whole family moved care all right to be diagnosed at UCLA. Hey when I was eighteen months ago so I was diagnosed having cerebral palsy. And then putting much. I title relatively normal hours grabbing. Sleepy I hear the categories with you. You're in so you're in. La Because of your parents yeah okay. It is the loudest cats that I've ever ever had my life. She knows I'm here in new pigs. So she asks why she's so loud saying wherefore Art Thou Romeo and cat speak or what I always wondered about every time and she wanted me off the phone I see I see. And what is that enough. She has a little longer count. And so I turned it off so there wouldn't be any into action and here we go. Well we can. We can certainly accommodate Juliet in the conversation. So you already county I I Graduated from High School in Nineteen seventy five Went to college and then dropped out of college and became a standup comic and to me. I I was mesmerized by television has a child because it was a form of escapism employees. I I was only by far away special schools so I never got to be got. Thanks ships in my own Nathan because nobody knew and I would rather cute in minutes allotted the neighborhood kids and so my safe haven was to run in the House and Watch TV and one of my idols. The goal of was killed Burnett and I started writing hill well and colder that I wanted to beat be locker when I grew up. Wanted to be a comedic actor Noviny do and by the way I have cerebral palsy. What do you think and and one of the letters that got some care on? I still have it to this day. said that there was no guarantees. She's that I would become professional. News no guarantees in life period. But the important thing is to put out the effort and decry getting their acting capacity. Nobody knows what they can do a mess. They try and letter caned my eyes I'm home nine to every would she ever without me. Isn't that cool. While Eddie takes takes people like like that in our lives to remind us of that and the fact that you reached out is really impressive them. too many people think that they're alone and that no one will. I answer their questions and many won't but she did good for her and good for you. Yes she did it it was. I'm very glad yeah and I even ordered ticket to the Carol Burnett show when I was sixteen seventeen. I can't even remove my sophomore atwill junior year but it just happened to be the episode where she was wearing the couldn't manage well about audience audience. That's a classic that's one of those cult. Classic episodes that we see Youtuber. Wow so jerry. Doing stand up is no easy task. Ask and they say that so many comics and I have friends in Boston. Who are so many comics are doing it because it's a chance to get people to laugh not at you but with you? What was the first standup like view? Because so many people do want to put it politely bomb early on. What was it like view when you get up there? I would. Hi Jeff the time and I and I'm looking out I mean 'cause the olive and Algebra for the second time I was raised lestrade and I I was sitting in a Disabled Services Department Mike when our Sunday has who happens to be blind. He realized how bummed out and he said. What is your problem you and I said well? I'm glad I really don't WanNa be. I WANNA be in show a business that want to be an ass. I WANNA be a comedian Achil- Burnett and he wanted to ask you. What do you do? I go to the Comedy Avenue Store every week and tell blind jokes and I said well that made will be but I can see just fine nine. He's now thinking as you go to the comedy store in plastic so I give 'em blame I'm out into this and interesting. Because he he and his friend John Houghton drove me up to la the weeks before. Walk to meet Daddy Moore. Who ran the original room at the comedy store and he wanted me to meet Danny to see the package do an amateur and when Danny met me said hey look there's never been a comedian quite like you before and I can guarantee that mature when approve of you or not and I don't want to get up on stage and have mid-east eh? Okay she's never going to perform the my top again and then you didn't know that she would tell you he didn't want to take that risk yes he said I want to be polished before the NFC hugh so the deal is you come to the comedy store every Monday. My midnight an amateur night. Eleven eleven thirty and not wanting to back door time that she tells Indiana and went missing leaves the room. I'll put you on Michi by the way pauly. Shore's mother I am not mistaken. Yeah and the food show that I ever did on that Monday night. And knock on the back door They informed Dani that was their Mitzi left Burma short time asking he ran did the MC okay into the J. Among county right out right now. We'll put the other Thomas on acid you and we think of Jay. Hey you think of a male you don't automatically think being So he introduced me as a heat and now people love warm. Welcome to J you. He drove away from on Townie. And I stayed hearing-impaired. I WANNA hearing aid. Can you could not do a thing. I thought I would death it that you could not hear one thing and I just just looked at at the audience and I could hear. It was so quiet and I could hear the mumbling in the plan. Well it was like like. Oh my God. That's a he oh he grover not exactly so the intro was helping already I guess. Yeah Yeah and I didn't ask anybody. I just went into my routine that I will probably two nights before her and my my mind was I don't know about you people but I looked up and coming out of the closet lately. Yan Dan Talent and said that what you haven't heard about The still the people that have been coming out of the closet like don't tell Anita Bryant now I don't want anybody now sequence. This is a state and then was that you can't keep it A. It could a moving all over the place you know after. Don't tell him need to plan especially because she'll go another Bam insured travel all over the country saying unless staff these people these. I'm teaching public schools. They will influence children. And before you know it all started will be moving like this. I so remember the Anita Bryant days. Yes I I have to hand and I got a standing. That's good no over the course of your stand up career. Did you ever though run into people who didn't have that wonderful sense of humor that most Americans have and said. Hey you know you're demeaning people with disabilities because today hey especially there are so many is since sensitive types out there who think everything is offensive. What what was there? Any case that habit come uh-huh yeah and the only is gone. When I was doing? Stand up I got repeated by the La Times with this huge review. Two page article. Aw Okay and dividing wrote and I read this in the La Times was that this is a retention new comics so oh self confidence that she acts like her hefner even there she just goes into the next pitt and ignored and matters. I didn't listen. You never heard the hecklers boy. What a great defense against hecklers? Just don't listen don't here that's so funny. Well you know there's is a book that you wrote and I want to plug it right now. It's called I'm walking as straight as I can and it's quite compelling got great reviews a lot of people have read it and should read it and you wrote that book and Talk Not only about cerebral palsy. which is something? That's quite obvious. I mean to those who know you but you also wrote about Other issues including your your sexual preference and stuff. You've had to battle through more than one block. K tell us a bit more about the book and and what you hope to achieve with it. Well Shell and I don't like to say nutshell but I had an autobiography published in nineteen eighty four coug Kyrie and I had green because that authors would you know just want my God. I was on every major talk. Go in the United States but the irony of that is that I hated my book and I didn't light it. I probably had very little. They do with it. And I made a pact with myself that one day I would like Jerry Story and it would be on my word I would write it and in two thousand and nine I did. It took me a year and a half to complete and it was published and in two thousand eleven. And I'm walking around with a play on woods. It was you know several power in and being gay combined Combo it is a play on words. But it's it's it's a very important part of your life to to say what you have to say your own words. I think that's that's so helpful to you right to get the story out there and to share it with the world it was it it was you know. Okay I'm calling and all out there I have nothing to lose. What am I worried about? You know I had been in the industry since nineteen seventy eight. deadwood ended in two thousand six to me at that time and as usual every time I did you have done on. TV and end. Sometimes I way is is not a decade work again. This is always been the pattern. I don't understand. Let let my Kinda my hands. I might as well look why came. Let me ask the question in that has to be asked. And it's and it's no the answer because I've interviewed other people who have broken through the barrier but the barriers still very very high. I'm talking about about entertainers particularly actors. Jerry in television and film roles who are passed over for showy say physically adept actors. Who Pretend to be disabled and it goes on all the time even now are you? Are you hopeful that more people with with different abilities. We'll have a chance to to get up there and act as you have. Why yes? There's there's been a lot of headway mbappe. I was at the media active poorly and media access award last week so it Hollywood is has come a long way in considering in people with disabilities belong hopefully lead in Costa an well and yes. It's gotten a a lot better absolutely but we have a long way to go. You know we have to train the casting directors to consider not just you now. Let's let's put it this way every made you own that I have ever gotten. Michael has not come from auditions I have had a total of me feet thirty nine forty additions in forty years. That's town much more Jack. Have you know we on my So I've been very black that that Norman Lear was in my audience in two thousand into I was standing in line at a pharmacy and David. Yeah that line to deadwood right arm they say who was it Who got Discovered in in a pharmacy in a Hollywood it was Lanta. Turn your Atlanta Turner read Redux. That's what you are. I know that's crazy Now you gotTa tell me some deadwood stories. I love the series. The fact that you did the movie with so many other of your cast mates so many later is amazing and beautiful. Glove the film. How did you use bench David Milch but talk about the role because for many people you were the most sympathetic of all characters getting wailed at by you know oh who Slightly whiplash there Ian Character. Tell us a little bit about dead. Wouldn't how you worked at role and so forth. Well I met David Nepal missing. He wrote his phone number on a prescription pad going anti depressant and he really did believe you and Dan he basically. He told me that at some point he wanted me to read about the eighteen. Hundred ended dead wood and I read several books to which he gave me Juliet. Wow I'm really pleased. That might be the best meowing cat. I've ever heard on a phone unbelievable. I know she's like I said she knows I'm hearing impaired and she doesn't intentionally. Well Okay so I actually wrote twenty pages of backstory for the character and I it can David and he called me back within the hour and told me that he loved when I wrote. He said when you're a great writer and I like about ninety seven percent of what you wrote and I said what does he like. He didn't like the name. I chose for my care but I like you said I don't name is jewel. And so he gave it the name jewel and of course I I would in fact of life so I got both of my name. You get your names in there. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. But what what's interesting about. deadwood is of course people reacted acted the language my goodness and it was so course. But it was almost shakespearean like it was so beautifully delivered and and Your characters right in the middle of of a lot of the action lot of stuff going on when you yes I you know what a lot of people don't realize that I was scared to David but as a cat in that would even be in shade and I think he knew that this show In needed some light. So as you said I was delight. Deadwood you know I kinda got the people this mile to feel to have empathy and that was that was the role of jewel. My my kids had the least follow language in the whole show Yeah and when when I David at diplomacy in two thousand and two I would still recovering from spinal code surgery from C.. One the seven so practically my whole. Nah I thought my career was over at that point and I ran into David Milch and then last summer I had had steiner surgery again my lower back and I it was a long and the Supian said had I would be back to my normal in about a month. Whatever and two months later I tune in half Clinton later I still is using a walker? I couldn't DR Congo Jays the climate page and I got my clipping flipping mail to me from deadwood now right at knowledge like there's no way I can't visit so I have to message with production about the two degree and that Please tell me that I can't do all That he has my blessing two cats and she said she could not message and I said yes because if the two he cobb The next day J I got your message in. Yeah and and there's only one tool will you and I don't care if I have to get a wheelchair accessible trailer. MAKEUP COMES DIS. Yeah I have to hire a driver if I have to make the changes you GonNa do and and tear just came to my eyes is that I said you believe in me that much as he said I believe in you in the top you had did a tip to you toes and so there were two pit bull. Don't times in my life were physically. I thought it was over. David comes in my path. I've got chills. Does a such great stories and we're all blessed in so many ways no matter what we all look like on the outside. There are so many things that happen to us on the inside and that's a great great example of kindness and and and also understanding quite frankly my dear that you have the talent to get it done. I mean. Hollywood doesn't waste time with people who can't do the job so well I thank. You didn't do it. I wasn't playing games. How how am I supposed to know? You look great unscreened to me well. What's interesting about that was is that once? I realized that I had to look back through and told them that I had to get out of the stupid bath plays. They didn't work back places in the eighteen hundred and he he wouldn't let me get out of it because he said if anything goes wrong and you added the brace insurance companies won't hey for any more seriously because you out of the brain so I went back to deadwood despondent despondent over that supposedly. I can't get out of the race. What are we gonNA do and Jeannie Brian who was kissed incredible class in the Danner? He made my dress businesses to well over the base and then prop bill an actual replica of a brace that they want in the eighteen hundred goods that will over the over the draft to I know I love deviled Sanath please. That was a blessing because Double Bass Act. Oh boy that's Hollywood magic Jerry Hollywood magic that is so cool well listen you. You are such a delight it and so does Juliet by the way but people can go to your website. which is your name Jerry? JEWEL DOT com. Is that correct. And I I should add that. You're very busy as a motivational speaker and an author and of course an actress and comedian. You have a great life Most importantly accordingly of all. Thank you for sharing your life with all of us. We really appreciate it. You're very welcome and I just got done doing a documentary for NBC Two hours on the best of life so I don't have a Nigga did that's coming up and we can keep up with you on your website for details on all the exciting things happening will listen can continue to do what you do. Feel great thank you again. For All the joy you brought viewers and listeners have told thank you thank you uh-huh thank you. Juliette a dynamic lady and find talent in a lovely person that's Jerry jewel with of course Juliet chiming chiming Hin. You've been listening to on Mike Jordan. Rich podcast available on all major podcast platforms. I certainly invite you to subscribe and download rate and review the PODCAST. 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Episode 167: Diversifying Your Wedding Business Revenue Streams

The Evolve Your Wedding Business Podcast: Marketing For Your Wedding Business | Online Business

18:24 min | 1 year ago

Episode 167: Diversifying Your Wedding Business Revenue Streams

"This is the evolve your wedding business podcast episode number one, Sixty, seven in a world where winning professionals are struggling to markets and grow their business. One podcast brings together top experts and action normal strategies to help you build a wedding business of your dreams is this is the evil your wedding business podcast. Here's your host Heidi Topsoil. Here and welcome to the podcast. I'm your host Heidi Thompson. I help wedding professionals just like you grow their businesses without going crazy in the process and today I WanNa talk to you about pivoting your business so that you can still make money during this pandemic because there was always opportunity around. Sometimes, you're just not seen it because you're out looking at it the right way. So I WANNA to give you some ideas, examples of ways that. Business owners in our industry are pivoting their businesses so that they can still earn a living during this time because things are crazy right now let's be honest and this is go ask for quite a while. So we need to be prepared for that and the great thing about owning a business is you can change gears at any time you can pivot you can find new ways to earn money and I don't know about you but that's pretty exciting to me that there is always that opportunity just sitting there waiting for you. So, one of the ways that I have seen wedding professionals begin to pivot their business is by working with other business owners. So I've spoken to two people actually who are doing pinterest account audits that include you know a call and some actionable items that people can take in order to get more out of pinterest because here's the thing people want to come out of this crisis stronger than they went into it. And that means that there are a lot of things that may need to be improved in their business whether that's you know they're marketing specifically for pinterest marketing and this example or it's their systems and processes or their on boarding or how they're selling. There are a lot of things that people now have the time to work on that they normally wouldn't have the time to work on because they would have client work and I, saw this with book more wedding. summit. Book more, wedding summit, blue all of my goals out of the water. It was absolutely insane. We had over three thousand wedding professionals register a Alexis Pass that was available we sold. I WANNA say it was about thirty four thousand dollars in revenue from the all access pass. So anyone that tells you people aren't buying right now is wrong people will buy if the offer is right and it solves the right problem for them the something I talked about all the time you have to solve the problem that people want solved. So think about the things in your business that you excel at. and. Think about. What your friends in the industry ask you about what they ask for help with maybe your like one of my clients who is amazing with systems and processes and people are always asking you about that. Maybe. You've streamline your business to a point where you're working like twenty five hours a week and people are always like how you not working as much as I am. These could be opportunities for you to work with other business owners in our industry. But of course, you can also go beyond weddings. So there was a florist and when my groups, who said, you know she normally doesn't do. Direct to consumer type flowers. But because all of her wedding floor through orders are on hold at the moment. She did a bunch of Mother's Day flowers and sold a bunch that way. There are lots of photographers and maybe you've seen them around on social media doing photo sessions at a safe distance with her you know. On the porch in the backyard, whatever the case may be just make sure your being safe with that you know adhere to whatever your. Vocal regulations are but also more importantly. Adhere to science make sure that you're taking care of yourself and the people around you. So that's the way you know you can go beyond weddings with the work that you already do. If you're already a florist ways, can you branch out? You know Mother's Day which just passed great opportunity for that. You can also serve your seem is oh, client in a different way. So I had asked someone professionals what ways they were doing this and I got some interesting responses. So personal said they were doing a party in a box delivered to you with catering linen centerpieces, gifts, toys, and more for up to ten people which was in their state, what is allowed to have a gathering? For the foreseeable future. Another person was offering a cake and champagne package where they were. You know they're marrying people there in efficient. They're doing a lot of elopement which their booking one of because people don't necessarily want to wait. and. They're also bringing cake and champagne for them. You know that is such a small thing but it's a value add in. It's something that can drive up the price of your packages and you're couples of Hugh. Because there's no hassle or stress for them. It's just you know this fun little extra. I came across a makeup artist, and I'm sure there are several that are doing online makeup lessons via zoom the super easy to set up. And, virtual wedding ceremonies over zoom our thing in at least some places, some states have decided to go ahead and issue licenses this way specifically for the use of doing a virtual ceremony. So if that is something that is available where you are and you're not offering that, you may want to consider offering it. You can also take a different approach and working with your Mayo client. Maybe there is a subset of your market that you like to work with. It is more diy crowd. You could teach a DIY wedding planning workshop so that they have all their bases covered and can come out of this ready to go. And plenty of venues are doing virtual tour so that they can still take their potential clients through the venue. They can still get a feel for it. And this is GonNa be something that's going to be going on. I would say. For quite some time I mean, let's be honest we're going to be in this for a while. So making these adaptations are going to help you so so much possibly for the next year. And then you can also tap into new opportunities that maybe weren't. As, available sheet before. So for example, one winning professional told me that they're stationary and event details earn hold. So they're now selling customize notebooks, cups, craft kits, and greeting cards, and I particularly thought the craft kits. Example was really really smart because have you tried up by puzzle lately it's impossible. People are like scrambling for things to do while they're at home and crafts has always been. You know just one of those things. So that is a great example. I spoke to someone who runs a shop she also to styling stationary, and she's currently making and selling face masks. That is an opportunity that. Really, wasn't available before there was a big market for that. Someone I know personally is helping their mom who is a teacher and a Montessori School for very young kids build a business around teaching parents, how to homeschool how to help their kids learn in the way that they would at this school and you know people spend a Lotta money sending their kids to special schools because they want their kids to learn a certain way, and this is an opportunity you know outside the industry that they found that they could come together and collaborate in create this to help these parents. I've seen some caterers doing meal kits which I think is a an excellent idea. So you know your typical like Blue Apron Kinda thing where you send all the ingredients and instructions or you just do delivery people are getting real sick of their own food in their house right now. So anytime, you can enter some novelty into this. I think you're going to get uptake on it. And I actually saw a cakemaker I thought this was pretty interesting because this was kind of like a triangle of a transaction here. So cake makers were. On their website allowing people to purchase. Be Sweet baked goods. Four healthcare professionals at a local hospital. So they would chip in four the sweets and they would get sent to a local hospital. So people are buying something for you know this these other people and this businesses making money as a result and being able to brighten the day of healthcare professionals who are having a really hard time right now. I've seen multiple tent rental companies renting their tents to hospitals and health centers for tree is. A lot of hospitals and health centers are moving some of their initial. Testing covid nineteen testing or just triage for coming into the hospital outside of the building so that they can spread out a little bit more and in most places you're going to want that to be covered. especially if you're doing testing I would say definitely want that to be covered and somewhat enclosed. So this is a great outside the industry opportunity that wouldn't have been available outside of this pandemic. And you can also do what I've seen a few people doing, which is create content with affiliate links. So shocked a bit about affiliate marketing before basically you. Have a link that is from this company and it makes it so that any business. That is sent through that link is trackable to you or could be a coupon code, and then that company pays you a commission. As a thank you know cost to the person purchasing and I'm an affiliate for certain products that I love and want to support and I. Absolutely Love My phillies to help me out with book more wedding summit. Definitely helped us reach more people. This is a great opportunity. There are so many ways to make money. When you run a business, you know you can do something very passive like this affiliates strategy can do one on one services. You can you done for you services do done with you services, you can teach something. could prepare something and send it to people. There are so many things that you have to choose from and really just seem to think about which of these things is going to make the most sense for you for your business for your ideal client because somebody's just won't work for you because that's not your business, but you may find some entirely new ideas after release sitting down and thinking about. Okay who else can I reach with this or how else can I serve the same audience that have the same ideal client but in a different way or what new opportunities are out there as a result of this pandemic who needs to be served that? is currently not being served. I've seen hotels offering discounted rates. You know hotels I'll place that have cabins everything to healthcare professionals because they're not able to go home right now because they don't want to infect their family. So a lot of people are having to stay in different places near or at least somewhat near. The hospital, they were Kim. In order to protect their family. That is an entirely new opportunity for anyone who has a space durant out. So there certainly are opportunities and every day we get bombarded with the doom and gloom and don't be wrong sucks. This is a horrible situation. Nobody wants to be an pandemic nobody wants to say home nobody wants to get sick and die. But if we decide to look at it in terms of you know this is all doom and gloom and horrible. That's GonNa be the experience you have. If you decided to look at it as inspite of this being horrible, there are these opportunities that I. Can Tap into then you're going to be able to be so much more successful during this period of time, and it's going to allow you to get through it without as much stress I. Know you're probably going through a lot right now we all are in trying to figure things out but take some time just have a think what are ways the you could serve different audience serve your own audience perhaps in a different way tap into a brand new APP opportunity maybe work with other business owners. Maybe it's something completely different I haven't even thought of to include today the. Is really the limit. So don't box yourself in and feel like you have to do what you've always been doing. This is a great time to innovate. This is a great time to try new things if you don't like them, stop doing them if you like them. Like. I did with running book more Wedding Summit Incorporated Into Your Business going forward, which is what I'll be doing with book more wedding summit. You know you don't have to commit to this kind of thing forever know we're in this weird position where everything's kind of temporary anyway. So use this opportunity to dabble and figure out what it is that you can do in order to help yourself help your clients and help your community. And I would love to hear from you on Instagram tell me about how your pivoting or tell me some the ideas that have really got your gears turning and have you thinking that you know this may be something that you WanNa do shoot me a DM over on instagram. I'm evolve your wedding business and I will see you over there. Thank you so much for tuning in today and I will speak to you again very soon. If you enjoyed this episode I invite you to come join me inside the wedding business collective. It is the place to be if you want to grow your wedding business without going crazy in the process. Inside the wedding business collective, we have over four thousand dollars worth of courses on everything you can imagine from productivity to creating a marketing plan to Instagram facebook gets pricing. The list goes on and the course library is constantly growing to fit the needs of the members. You will also get access to me as your wedding business coach an sidekick, and you can ask questions and get feedback and our incredibly supportive community of creative wedding professionals or dig into a problem deep with me on one of our group mastermind calls. Now, there's even more than that inside the wedding business collective. 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TKC 628 JoAnna Hunt

The Kindle Chronicles

54:20 min | 10 months ago

TKC 628 JoAnna Hunt

"Welcome to the chronicles coming from Ocean Park. Maine. This is Julie on August fourteenth twenty, twenty episodes six, hundred, twenty, eight of the kindle chronicles. Guess. This week is going to be Joanna Hunt Manager, kindle accessibility she heads cross functional team that keeps improving kindle platform for customers with reading challenges. Very, thoughtful woman very committed to her work. So I, hope you'll enjoy listening to her. We'll have new stories I've tried out the new pocketbook color echo frames have come back with lenses, but there's a tragedy involved I'll tell you about and also Amazon is looking to locate fulfillment centers and malls. Let's get started. First up in news I want to tell you about a new reader that I've been trying out this week. It's called the pocket book color. I think I got this through the good e-readers site because you can actually get one of these e-readers in the US are available different countries, Switzerland China. Maybe I'm not sure about ten different countries, but I wanted to try it because it has color e ink. Technology. It's it's just like a paperweight or other kindle the using e ink, but it has this kind of faded color to which I have to say is. I knew it was going to look faded compared to an ipad anything else but it's even worse than I thought it was going to be very disappointed with the quality of the color and it leaves me thinking that if say there's a new kindle the Super Oasis the. Oasis seven or whatever it might be with color e ink. How much more would it be worth to get the color? Twenty dollars I. I just think that the the screen on the paperweight and the oasis, and even the basic kindle is so bright for black and white reading and the color shows up on the cover of a book and I guess could use it in a book, but it is really. Just doesn't really add that much I mean it's hard because you think well, colors better than black white, right? Well, when the color is Pale as it is on this pocketbook color I think it's it's it's not noticeably or appreciably or significantly better than what you get on the paperweight and the other kindles the other thing. I just in playing around with this device even the black and white pages on this are muted and in no way up to the quality of the paper white we both I was reading it on the Beach Darlene and she had her oasis and the screen was just. Sharper, it was more contrast and much better to read and the I wasn't able to even figure out how to buy a book I wanted. So it had there's some kind of A. Pretty thin pocketbook Barry, and the I tried to highlight on it it it it. It shows how much twelve years of innovation from Amazon on the kindle has just put it in its own class of of e reader that never mind the color aspect of it. Now, the one thing I'll say is that this is a light device. It's sort of a sleep device. It's rounded at the bottom. It has physical buttons for page for page back. So when you first pick it up, you think well, now that's pretty slick looking thing but when I actually was reading a book on it, I was disappointed in it and not just because the color was was such a disappointment. Other. Tech. News that I get my echo frames back now this is the. Day One product that you have to have an invitation to I got an invitation through Jim Jones and I sent them off to my excellent eyeglass store Denver optique to put in my prescription lenses quite a investment on my part about five hundred dollars putting these lenses in and when they arrived back today I was very excited to try out these frames that have. You Know Alexa on board. But then the tragedy hit I had kept the cable that charges these frames. It's a USB on one end and the other end there's kind of a magnetic three pronged or three magnet class that connects the cable with the glasses and I can't find it I. Swore that I had put it on the nest of wires by my bedside table where I charge up my iphone and my watch and. Wheeler the robot for the kids and my VR headset. I've got all these things that charge over there and I thought when I sent these off to Denver I'm not going to send the cable the. Cable to install the lenses. But when I came back, I couldn't find the charging cable. Darlene. Hoping we turn this bitter of just upside down I don't. Just. And when I went online to order a replacement for fourteen dollars. Good. Delivery. In four to six months so unless I find this cable or some other miraculous way of getting. An Echo frames charger comes my way than I'm going to be waiting. It has ninety percent charge on it probably eighty percent now and gave me time to to test it, and I'm able to see through which was a much better experience than when they first arrived here. They're pretty cool. You know I was playing some music and the music was coming to my. In, Stereo I was able to ask when high tide was going to be and I. I wasn't in anywhere. Aware that there was Alexa. Available to me, but all had to say Alexa. High tomorrow and I would hear the answer kind of magically in my head. He was also pretty good for phone calls when I was calling the Alexa helpline to see if I could shake loose cable I was just talking to my glasses so I think this thing is really promising and if I can. Wrestle up a cable somehow that would be wonderful bird. Anyway. We'll see that there must be some reason I I was just trying to drop into what am I meant to learn from this I don't know yet, but it's I'm so close to be able to try these things on bike rides and and every other way and but. It's going to have to be sometime in the future. third news story interesting story has been in the news that came out of Wall Street Journal. Reporting, they had some sleuthing quoting people familiar with the matter as they put it, and apparently Amazon has been in talks with the biggest owner of malls in the US. Turning some of these malls especially, the JC Penney sears stores that are. Empty. Because they're in chapter eleven protection in bankruptcy. into fulfillment centers, taking advantage of these vast properties that have infrastructure built-in in there's water and sewer trinity and The were trending downward even before the pandemic and now in many places. They're just properties that have no economic value in that setting Amazon has been talking with Simon Property. Group which owns two hundred and four properties across the country. Talking about the possibility of turning them into distribution hubs. I think this is interesting I remember in business school there years ago, forty years ago whenever the how vibrant the retail sector is, and you know there was the cycle of retail and back in those days the case studies that that we were studying whereabouts sears, the brilliance of sears and how they totally remade retailing, and then you had the malls putting pressure on the downtowns, and now here come the malls going through the cycle of retailing because of online purchasing and Amazon almost like A. Shakespearian, full circle drama to it now comes back rescuing some of these mall owners by making the space a productive again. For fulfillment centers. I think that You know however, we get through the pandemic at some point if malls have become Amazon fulfillment centers, maybe it frees up a new renaissance for downtown areas I'm thinking downtown Casper, you know the East Ridge Mall was really rough on the the stores that were in this very pleasant downtown area of Casper Wyoming. When I lived there and I'm sure the mall as well as sears store there and they have gone through the same trials of malls across the country and I don't know Amazon's looking at Casper but. You know. Now maybe the the cycle turns and these places where people live downtown come back it's interesting and I think it backs up some of my. Hesitancy about is the antitrust mechanism really suitable to weigh in on this fast-changing retail sector of the economy and think that it can somehow. Protect us from. An Inch T. like Amazon I don't know you have to move pretty fast to stay ahead of the retail sector as we're seeing in this particular story of Amazon talking with. Simon, properties about malls. For the first -tective I want to tell you about the reading ruler and this is something you are going to hear in the interview with Joanna. Hunt. It's an accessibility tool but as she will the you'll hear her say it's of us to. And I have it here on a book that I was able to find on my. Kindle APP ON IPAD The book is the unbreakable boy. In its by Scott Lorette. So where I found, it was in. Opening up the book I tapped on a page and then I went to the a ICON at the top. This is where you would go if you're going to change the size of the font and in when you tap on it, you can change the fine. You can change the layout and then there's a tab that says Moore, and under that, you can turn the popular highlights on or off. Show progress, and at the very top, it says reading ruler at a colored ruler overtaxed to help guide reading, and if you tap on that UC, got a chance to turn it on and one thing. This kind of Nita's it's got a variety of colors that can be grey, blue, red, yellow, golden, purple, and green, and whichever color you tap a it's two horizontal lines that just form an area where on the size type that I have here, there are three lines that are within the the. Upper and the lower I've got green in this case, and then to read it, I'm just pushing the page up as a it set for continuous scrolling it doesn have pages. So I'm just pushing the text up and I'm being able to focus on three lines of as those three lines past the two horizontal bars. So it's very simple elegant design and I can imagine that for in in many situations that would be a handy way to help read especially if you've got a distraction or other. Impediments to your reading. Drawback is its I. I had to tap on quite a few books before I found one that had this in the book description a few see enhanced fonts believe it is, and then you'd have to see continuous scrolling so. You know not not all books have it and it's it's not available on the fire tablets yet it's just available on Iowa's devices but a good example of the innovation going on from this accessibility team, which you'll hear more from in the interview with John Hunt. Second tip tip comes from listeners Stephen Gold. He listens to news on Alexa and he also listens to the morning journal and he received A. Message from Amazon email, which he sent to me and it's a dear Stephen. Gold. As a news on Alexa we are informing you of a change to your new experience. Now, when you say play the news, you will access your news channel long form news content from a single news source like NPR, Fox News CNN ABC and more. If you're still interested in accessing your flash briefing, just say play my flash briefing to your election device to get started to edit or customize your flash briefing, go to settings and clicked flash briefing in the ALEXA APP and it signed from the Amazon Alexa team Steve said that the he says, all I would add is that I'm hearing a lot of interesting stories from endless NPR that I would not get listening to my local NPR station on the hour on my car radio or just playing the station via Alexa or Radio Garden. That's an APP that I've talked about in the past So looks like what they're doing is separating out long form news into what they call a news channel. It's a little disappointing to me because I like being able to just say Alexa, what's new and have might morning journal come up? Is the only thing I'm subscribing to that so that's what's comes up and on my devices that's still the way it works. So this may be something that's being phased in. A Certain number of listeners at a time. And not such a big problem for those of you who are listening to the Flash Briefing the morning journal. You can just say play my flash briefing and you'll you'll get to that, and then if you're also taking advantage of these long-form news sources, this just a slightly different command that you'll be saying. By the way. I had a difficult time this morning because when I had a good morning journal there recorded out on the bench by the beach. So excited to get it up and just at the moment that I was putting it up onto the Web I get a message saying that it wasn't happening and I just can't get past it. I've checked all day to see if I can update the morning journal for today, and there appears to be some kind of a fly. I called Tech Sport and they put in an engineering ticket for it. The guy usually here from on the blueprints team I just haven't heard from so. I'm hoping maybe I'll wake up tomorrow and everything will be back to normal but otherwise, it's disappointing to not be able to share with you these morning journal entries that I liked create each day. Well Correction I just listened to it on. My mother's on a couch I still keep going a year after her passing. That's the way I can hear what's on. The broad network for Alexa and today's item is up there. So even though I'm getting this this error when I go to the edit page somehow got through and Anyway. It's a little baffling, but the good news is that today's morning journal entry is there and it'll be up there until probably about seven or eight tomorrow morning when I tomorrow's up. Ten after the interview, Joanna Hunt worked for a decade at Blackboard and education company based in. Reston Virginia she joined Amazon in two thousand seventeen as senior product manager for accessibility on the kindle team. Her current title is manager of kindle accessibility at Amazon. I spoke with her by skype on Tuesday August eleventh and I, began by asking what she had learned about accessibility during her years at blackboard. So many things. Blackboard is really where I started this whole journey. I guess it back in about two thousand and eight. While I was at blackboard. Manager of came to me with this problem she said customers are asking us about this this thing called accessibility and. We didn't really have a lot of knowledge about it at the time. I certainly didn't have a ton of knowledge about it at the time but we needed to go figure it out. It was something that was becoming increasingly important to our customers and So what I did then was actually just start talking to people start talking to our customers in learning. You know what? The heck is a screen reader what is all of this assistive technology that people are talking about and how do you how do you code for it? How do you design for it? What do you think about when you're building technology products when you're thinking about people with disabilities and? At the time, it was really something that I just thought of as a really interesting and complex technical problem and those were problems. I was really really good at solving. So I got really excited about trying to to just dive in and learn everything that I could. You know then the universe intervened and all of these really interesting things started to happen to me my four year old nephew was diagnosed with severe adhd and oppositional defiant disorder. He lived in a small town where they really didn't have the knowledge or experience or resources to understand the different ways that his brain worked and how that might impact his education. And a few months after that I met this woman at a networking event who was a deaf lawyer at the Department of Labor in Washington DC and she was seamlessly navigating hearing world but you would never actually know she was deaf because she had intentionally chosen not to learn asl so that she could blend in and not stand out. She ended up becoming one of my closest friends and I learned so much from her about the choices that she was being asked to make in order to be successful in a world that was not set up for her and the way that she needed to interact with the world. And then a little bit after that I was in my claiming Jim and I met this guy who was a single arm amputation. He'd been injured in Afghanistan and Iraq, and he became one of my most influential climbing instructors and these three experiences really just opened up my eyes completely to how all of these. Normal? Talented wonderful. Wonderful people were just being hit in the face every time they turn around by these seemingly artificial barriers just existed existed all around the world and for me, it really just solidified that there was something here that needed to be changed. It wasn't just a complex technical problem. It was like this this huge objective to try and equalize the playing field in technology and after that. The idea of working in anything but accessibility and building inclusive experiences is just a nonstarter for me. I learned so much about the people that I interacted with on a regular basis and how they use technology, how we could build technology that was actually designed intentionally to remove some of these barriers and create that equality. There was just lacking in so many different things at the time. And it really became something I was hugely invested in after that it was incredible. It's. It's interesting because I think a lot of people that I've talked with involved in accessibility issues have some personal experience that they've had to fight through themselves and it doesn't sound like that was your path you you obviously close to home with your nephew and the people you met but. You. You sort of had your eyes open to the topic not because it's something that you had struggled with personally it sounds like, right? Exactly. But just the fact that people had to struggle with that just blew my mind. It just seems so like not necessary. Janet position to do something about it, I wanted to do that. That's cool. Well, then in twenty seventeen, you made a big move across the country. You took a job at dams on as a senior product manager accessibility. I'm always interested when I talk to people in the Amazon team as to you know the things they've done in the past and then that decision to join Amazon it always. It's always very unique set of circumstances but what were the big? Draws to you to make that decision and maybe what some of the things you were worried about the. Obviously. Turned out well. But what were you afraid? Maybe you were getting some advice from people say, Oh no, you don't WanNa do that you've got a good gig here in the area but. I A lot of people who were telling me don't move to Seattle it rains all the time I. Want to stay in. DC. But really the opportunity was so crystal clear for me. I mean when I was growing up. I grew up in that same small town I, talked about my nephew. There weren't a lot of people, my age who I really connected with, and so books and reading was just this like fundamental freedom and escape for me. It gave me this opportunity to explore any new world. I wanted learn so many new ideas and just sort of. Dig into this as my mother would describe it never ending curiosity that I had about the entire world. And for me I think reading is something. That's just so fundamental. To who we are as human beings and how we grow and we interact with the world and it gives us this opportunity to think creatively to imagine things to be a different way. And it really does actually impact how we are successful in our education with our employment, how we have the right levels of economic stability in the world. And this idea that there are people anywhere in the world who can't get access to books or who find reading difficult when technology, you can just take away all of those barriers and limitations that was astounding to me. It's another thing that just fundamentally needs to be fixed and getting to be a part of doing that and mashing personal personal passion that I had for books and reading with this professional passion that I had around creating inclusive experience. Pass that up even for the rain. Well. was there some overlap in what you were doing at blackboard? That involved Amazon. I would did you meet somebody a conference? What was the precipitating event led to you taking the job? Technology and in particular accessibility is such a small world. It seems like this massive thing and it had a couple of previous colleagues who had worked with me at blackboard who'd left years before. I did. who were now working at Amazon and happened to have a conversation with some folks that the kindle team were saying, Hey, we're looking for somebody who has this knowledge and background in in accessibility to come in and work with us and create this opportunity at at Amazon do you know anyone and she went actually I kind of know the perfect person you might have a hard time convincing her to move but I think she'd be great and. That's just sort of how that came about. That's neat. Well and now you are manager of the Kennel accessibility engineering team. You've been doing that for about a year and a half. Am I right that. This is a team of people that have other jobs and there's sort of A. Matrix Organization to this. They also are part of your team, but who's on that team and what's sort of the strategy and in in how that team was put together. Who are? So we actually have a cross functional team of people who are one hundred percent focused on working on accessibility for Kendall. So our team includes product managers who envision what is the opportunity and things that we have the ability to go and do something about. The engineers who actually go built that staff our quality experts help us make sure that it's working the way we want it to you and that it's holding a high bar for our customers. And we have people who work in designed fields to help us figure out how it should work. How things sort of fit together. Every single person on our team is very passionate about building these experiences the delight customer for customers with disabilities. A couple of weeks ago I don't know if you saw it but we published a blog on our day one Amazon one blog where we introduced and highlighted a few of our team members. So I. WanNa tell you a little bit about two of them. Jamal who is a guy who would call himself a bibliophile? He loves books just like me. He's a quality assurance engineer on our team. He's also blind. He brings this unique perspective to all of our conversations that really helps us better understand the benefits of accessible reading for everybody. And then he makes sure that everything that we build delightful and super easy to use for people who use assistive technology or otherwise have challenges interacting with more traditional technologies. Son Is an engineer on our team. She was actually the lead developer of our most recent feature release, the reading ruler. and. She's worked all over the world. She's worked in the US and the UK and in South Korea. And, she when she joined her team was relatively new to this idea of accessibility and innovation in the space of people with disabilities. But in the short time that she's worked with us this last year and a half. She's become incredibly committed to building solutions that benefit everybody and really become a technical expert in that space. And so our whole team is dedicated to this work and we cross over a lot of different disciplines to make that happen. Well you mentioned the benefits of accessible reading for everybody. That's an interesting concept that you're saying that if you put in a you invent something that benefits a blind person. Very often, it also has a benefit for a sighted person. What's The thinking behind that? A lot of times. That's very true. Let me give you a non kindle example for for a second. Thinking, about the inventions of things like curb cuts and sidewalks. Curb cuts in sidewalks where originally envisioned and created to help people who use wheelchairs navigate the city streets safely. They were away to help people move around the city without needing to be in the middle of traffic where otherwise they might tip over in. Trying to get onto or off of a sidewalk, and so they were created initially to make the city safe to solve the problem that existed for somebody in a wheelchair. But today they're used by by everybody by cyclists by MOMS pushing strollers by people riding their they're like as I said, they're bike on the sidewalk people pulling suitcases behind them. Even, for people who aren't doing any of those things, we gravitate towards exiting the sidewalk on those curb cuts they've become something that feels safer and fundamentally necessary for us to use a sidewalk safely. And you can do a lot of similar things with. Digital experiences and problems that you're looking to solve for accessibility. Captions in videos is a great example of that in the digital space. Captions again were originally envisioned to help people who were death understand the audio that's happening in any video content. But today we see more and more people were using those captions to help learn a second language. People who are using them to study complex materials from university lectures. That are posted. Online students can go back to them and have this multi-modal experience of both hearing their instructor speak reading the words that are there as well, and it just helps solidify their their learning. The same is true with features that we build in. Kendall the Reading for example, is a great a great example of that. Reading ruler was intentionally designed to help people who have adhd dyslexia or autism who might find it difficult to focus on a line of text. But there are lots of people who occasionally find it difficult to focus on line of text maybe you've just been reading documents all day long and you're just tired and you need to get through this one document. And you need something to help you keep track of the line think about how many times you might have like used your pen to drag along the line of text to help keep you focused in that moment you yourself might not have a disability, but that feature the availability of something like that in your digital reading environment is helpful in multiple situation. You know let's talk a little bit of the reading. I tried to find a book that I could try it on my kindle for Iowa and I I don't think it was. It has to say that the book has got enhanced typography and I think continuous scrolling but but. Does that? Sort of highlighting a liner. More of text and then is it moving down the page at the speed that it thinks I'm reading or how does it actually work? If you're reading in with continuous scrolling in kindle and. The ruler itself actually stays fixed in position, and because you can vertically scroll the tax. You have this really comfortable natural motion of moving the text into position and one thing that was really interesting that we found when we were observing customers who are actually reading using the reading ruler is they they used it in a couple of different ways. We had some customers who Would read the text that was highlighted by those those four colored lines with the reading roller but we had just as many who would actually use the ruler to mark a place on the page and read the text as it was moving above the ruler or below the ruler and just create this visual marker that help them focus. So that one really super simple solution. Open the ability for lots of different ways of reading and creating focus. And then people can change the color of it and change the style of it so that if they have other challenges like they want a smaller space to be highlighted or. They Find Gray, really difficult to read but green is something that actually relaxes there is and take some of the visual stress off of the reading on a on. A harsh. LCD. Mobile screen sometimes can be really bright. They can do that. They can set everything up to be however they need to read. We'll. So I'm picturing the. So the you get the continuous scrolling. So you're moving does that mean that it it would be a different kind of a challenge to put the reading ruler on one of the Ian kindles where you can't scroll I. Don't think there's continuous scrolling on eating kindles yet is there. Today no, the kindle em, the kindle devices really only support page turn reading and but you never know what's coming. Technology is always advancing changing and we really believe that that no matter where you're reading, you should have access to all of these tools and so there's lots of lots of things coming in the future. When I talked to my cousin yesterday who's blind he's been blind from birth and use. He and I were childhood friends has been friends for over sixty years. He lives in Austin and. I told him I was GONNA be talking with you the thing that he reminded me of as a device. Is Alexa and he says that it's he's still download some books and then he gets them. So he can read them with jaws on his computer. The kind of really powerful software he uses to navigate his computer but a lot of times he just buys a kindle book and then he can just tell Alexa read title of the Book and it remembers where he left off and all that. That strikes me as a a really powerful. Alternative for someone who's blind or has other problems reading. HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO Your team's work and just the overall topic of accessibility for books. Alexa provides great support for people who are reading books. Honestly. Just the fact that you can ask her to read a book open. So many doors for people with disabilities. It's just so simple. These voice based experiences are great for people who are blind like your cousin who you were talking about but also for people who navigate life with paralysis or other motor or dexterity challenges and It's it's so cool to be able to just ask her to read a book and listen to it, and then maybe switch to your computer and have your computer remember in Kendall for PC or on your. APP, where you were and pick back up and then later go back to Alexa and this this seamless experiences just sort of changing changing the way lots of people read We're really just scratching starting to scratch the surface with the kind of things that Alexa and support with reading books. My team is a separate team from the Alexa team. We don't we don't. Build that technology directly. But. All of the teams who work on kindle infrastructures are all committed to all of these different diverse ways that people read and my team engages with all of those teams providing insight and guidance, and can of bringing that voice of the customer who has a disability into the room when they're talking about. What kinds of things he wants to be able to support an Alexa and and how we might move things forward, and we just have such great partnerships with other teams across Kendall who are looking to just make reading easier. That's exciting. I was interested I think in the blog post or somewhere I saw reference to Bluetooth refresh. Braille display I asked Peter Feet I think he might have had some experience with that but tell us how that works in for someone who has low. Vision problems, how that can be helpful. Sure so Refundable Braille displays are you know sort of a piece of external technology like like kind of like a keyboard? They're not really a keyboard, but they're kind of conceptually like keyboard that connects to your computer or your phone or your tablet usually via Bluetooth but sometimes, you can have wired connections between them as well and what they do is they actually leverage some of the same underlying. Workings as something like jaws, which you mentioned earlier or other screen reader technologies that are used by people who are blind. And it can display all of that content whether it's the application interface or the content itself in Braille on the device and the Braille cells dynamically change as the reader moves from one line to the next line to the next line. And what this actually allows us to do is. You. Know. Braille. Books are are are not very common. They're not printed. There's only a fraction of a percentage of books that are published and written every year ever make it to a Braille format and most of those are created. Specialty on request through the national, Library Archives or other non profit organizations who support readers who are blind and so because of the delay. Readers who liked to read in Braille are significantly behind in terms of new release access rate. Those those versions are not created at the same time as the the initial print books are created but with kindle when you can pair your refreshing Braille display to, let's say a fire tablet or an IOS device or your kindle for PC experienced that can connect to that Braille hardware that refreshing Braille display all of a sudden the twelve million screen writers supported books in the kindle library are available in Braille. and. So if you really like reading Enbrel, if that's something that you're comfortable with and it gives you a break from always consuming audio content, suddenly you have this vast collection of books that you can read where previously those numbers were really really small. So. I've seen. Peters. Braille books and in the traditional format, it's like a thick paper and there's little. Polls that come up I think it's like a six. Position Grid. Do these Braille readers have little pins that come up or how does how does the reader feel the configuration of the Braille symbol with the refresh -able displace Yeah most of them have these like little mechanical pins that are on. I'm not hardware person. So I'm not going to describe him perfectly, but they have these little pins that raise and lower based on the dot configuration is needed to represent either the letter or the word. Braille has. In Most Unified Braille. Coding, today, there's a six or eight dot pattern. That's used to represent things and in some cases, though pattern represents a single letter in some cases, it represents concatenation of letters or even in a few cases, can cat nations of symbols can be used to represent whole words? And so depending on the sophistication of the Braille display and the software that's available. Let's say by apple on their IOS devices. Kind of impact the way that those interfaces work with each other and how those Braille dots shifted and changed as necessary. I don't know if you've watched your cousin read Braille at all by. Its they read so quickly and those are changing. So quickly on those refresh Braille displays, it's really quite a sight to see and to just be able to to support that kind of reading is amazing to me too I. Remember when we used to as kids we would end up spending some time. On the coast and in Maine at a cottage, and there was always an issue about when my mother and her sister we're going to say it was lights out you kids have got to go to bed and I resented the fact that when lights were out I, couldn't do it. He reading and Peter would have a Braille book under his pillow and he was. Reading along. Not Fair you know. You need your backlit Kim know. Would be okay. They probably wouldn't spot that but. It is a and he has this old. Old Now but he's got this. It's almost like a typewriter and he can print Braille himself. So if he has notes for book club or something and so it it Is, Braille. Still Pretty robust as a way for reading even though they're all these technologies that in some ways look like they might be. Have some advantages over Braille is kind of a crude. Form that's. Fading little in use. Lie Certainly wouldn't call it crude form. It's actually quite a beautiful way of interacting with the with the printed word or you know even thinking about. Embossed illustrations or the way that people are using using their sense of touch to understand information. But it is sort of declining in in its prevalence part of that in in my research is related to In a lot of ways, the integration of of schools Fifty years ago, a lot of times students who were blind were put in special schools for the blind and the special schools for the blind had dedicated instructors who could. who were focused on teaching you Braille and today most students are integrated into mainstream schools but mainstream teachers don't have the special skill sets necessary to teach Braille. So instead they lean a little bit more on screen reader or audio based experiences to try to help the students consume the the same content so. The the prevalence of Braille instructors and the availability. Of those instructors to the students who might need them is is challenging today. So it's becoming a little bit harder to for people to to learn but people who are who are Braille readers who are really invested in in having learned Braille. Really. Actually believe that there is a big difference in the especially with children their acquisition of of fundamental literacy literacy skills. Because Braille can help you. Do things like spell and understand the different implications or meanings of words in a way that is more challenging in audio I mean think about all the words in the English language that S- town, the same but mean, very different things. I noticed to some of the information that's come out recently that you're working with the National Federation of the blind and. I've been doing this long enough that I recall back in twenty twelve. The organization had they organized a protest rated Amazon's headquarters. But about seventy people were there according to one news article and they had dogs and they had canes it was a very. Effective. Bit Of Protest Theatre to have seventy blind people. I think most of them were blind there. And they were expressing concern about the kindle platform at that time not being as accessible as they thought, it should be added time when it was being. Used I think more and schools especially with the whisper cast technology and then there was a I, think a lawsuit against Arizona State University so that that organization took a pretty tough stance eight years ago. What can you say about the evolution toward what sounds like a there haven't been any protests lately and it sounds like it's a more cooperative relationship between Amazon and that particular group these days. The NFC. One of my favorite advocacy organizations for the blind community. They're so passionate about their membership and the needs of people who are blind and creating these. These fundamentally equal and accessible experiences for for everybody. And we've been so fortunate to be able to collaborate with them. Since two thousand, six We really have made an incredible amount of progress together towards creating these really delightful reading experiences for for those people who who are fully blind and rely on like Braille reading or screenwriter access but also for people with other types of vision impairments that. Might. Just need to increase or alter the the tech size or the style of content in some way. They've really been a great partner for us all the way through this journey and we constantly learn from them. They provide us with such great insight and feedback and that collaboration. I think something that's key to everything that we've been doing and we'll continue to do something we're absolutely committed to. Hear. Well. Do they still challenge you and require or? Insist on things that are at this point. Impossible to do or What, what's their role in? Not Part of Amazon they've got a separate point of view. Creative tension. Sure. Of course, they challenge us they challenged all the time I. Love It I. Love when they challenge us because what they're trying to do is make everything better. They're they're working really hard to make sure that we just we just understand it. And we're paying attention to it, but they're also incredibly reasonable partners so when you can have a conversation with them about you know. How Technology Works and what it is that we need to accomplish in what order and how we're working towards this and and we can be very open and transparent with them about you know what what industries is headed towards and and how we can get there together. There are some of the best collaborators you can have. Well let's finish up. I'm always intrigued. People's work situations in the midst of the pandemic and I read something that came out of Amazon about I. Think it was the robot team that they were actually working in their garages at home and they they had set up the ability to do things which they could just do on zoom. A lot of work can be done that way but do you have things that you're doing as part of your accessibility team that requires some hands on work with hardware you set up a corner of your garage to be doing that while you're you're at home. We're actually quite fortunate that a whole lot of our work relies on technologies that are already embedded into things like our phones and tablets and laptops rate. Most most modern devices have the assistive technology built right into them or it's easily acquire bull. It's downloadable software package or it's an easily purchased a piece of equipment that we can use. So I don't know that we would say we have a whole garage full of hardware or something at home that we're we're working with but. We've certainly had to get creative with the way that we communicate with each other in the way that we interact with the technologies that we do have, and especially the way that we share those technologies longstaff as team to make sure that we all have what we need to do. But I think the most interesting thing about this whole quarantine in lockdown that everybody around the country has been dealing with is. How much emphasis it really can put on. Accessibility. Everybody is suddenly needing to figure out different ways of working different ways of interacting with things that they took for granted. And really highlighting the challenges that can exist when you're trying to have a voice only conversation. What if somebody on your phone call his death? You need to have some ability to have video content so that they can see the expressions on your face and really follow the nuances of the conversation. But then the flip side of that is What about if somebody on your team is blind and you're using your facial expressions or your gesture gestures like waving in the video to try to get somebody's attention. It's creating this environment where we're all becoming more and more aware of just how much we can learn from people with disabilities and how they interact with technology. But the other thing for me that I find really exciting about this time is actually that so many companies are realizing that it is possible to be highly productive in remote working situations. And what that does for people with disabilities is it actually opens the doors to employment opportunities that they may not have had before if they didn't have the ability to travel into an office. Where they needed to be at home. And now, this idea that it is it is possible. Is just sort of it's an interesting silver lining to some of the work from home situations were all doing within my opinion that's interesting I it really just sort of reshuffles the deck about things that. We thought we understood like, what does it mean to have a job and where do you work and and as you say, you know what does it mean to work with people who have accessibility issues? Well. You've been at this twenty years. Or. So If you fast forward to. Perhaps toward the end of your career retirement another twenty years. Do you have any kind of a a vision or. Maybe it would just be hope as to. How? The projects that you work on the challenges that you face would be being addressed in twenty years if this rate of progress continues. Really just no difference in the ability of anyone to. Read and work. Would look like. and. When I get asked that question, my answer is usually my twenty year career objective is to work myself out of a job. I really don't think that a specialized focus on accessibility is something that should be required. The the ability for people to use technology the way they want to use technology their ability to access all of these these different things in different experiences that were creating as we evolve as a society is fundamental. And when we can actually start thinking about everybody when we can actually start realizing the benefits of focusing on. Designing and developing for people who might traditionally have lived on what we could call the the extremes or the edges of our experiences. When we're thinking about them on a daily basis, we're understanding this specialized needs that they have and we're creating products that address those things we to that curb cuts example where we end up creating experiences that work for everybody, and if that is the norm, there's no need for a job like mine. There's no need for people who are working specifically focused on trying to draw attention to and raise awareness around accessibility because it is just what happens. It's just how everybody builds technology. And that's what I see for the future I see the more were increasing knowledge and awareness. Now, the more focused this will have in. Design schools who are teaching people how to build and design products for for everybody. The more it will be included in engineering schools where people are taught that this is just. A marker of High Quality Code and high quality development, and it's not something separate anymore. And that sort of where I want to even the the world go related to accessibility. Think that will mean I've done great work in the next twenty years. Wilson. I have been speaking with John Hunt Manager of kindle accessibility Amazon. Thanks very much Joanna. That's this week. Next week's guest will be Porter Anderson Editor in chief of the excellent Book Industry Site Publishing. Perspectives he has been following the pandemics effect on digital adoption among book readers among other trends of interest Puertas last on the show seven years ago. So I'm looking forward to catching up with him in this conversation. For. Six thirty on August twenty, eighth I finally getting a little ahead of myself on my scheduling I have scheduled a conversation with the CO founder of rocket Joel May that's and innovative not taking platform that I've enjoyed using for the past several years I just added. A little mini notebook. These are the you're. You're right on on paper that you can clear off with a damp cloth and it gets sent up to the cloud and A. Very. Tricky. Clever ways just a very interesting product that they have expanded a lot. It's a Boston company. So this is kind of a Boston, start a story and I am looking forward to talking to joe next week. GRANDPA and decamp as we call it Darlene gets called D. by lie young grandsons, Ryan and Jake, and they're going to be showing up tomorrow for another stay with us here at the cottage while they're folks move there they're moving to a new home in Lexington Massachusetts in a they were at the home today for the first time and Reuss and a video of the boys on the doorstep as they're walking into the house and and they the the young one says, I love it and Jake says. Santa Claus is going to be able to find his here. So. A six year old and a four year old entering their new home for the first time was quite a remarkable sight and So there'll be here to tell us all about it for the next four days or so, and then I'll take them back on I think Wednesday when they'll start living in their new home in Lexington I've got the tablets charged up and the angry birds ready to play on that and wheeler the robot so. Grab a decamp is kind of you. Have lots of activities. 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Sondland Testimony Implicates Key Trump Administration Officials 2019-11-20

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Sondland Testimony Implicates Key Trump Administration Officials 2019-11-20

"WNYC studios is supported by Zuckerman spader a national litigation firm representing clients and Enforcement Actions Criminal Investigations and trials. When the lawyer you choose as matters most online at soccer dot com this is the takeaway for November Twentieth Maroon? Vinegar Paul in for Tanzania Vega was is there a quid pro quo as I testified previously with regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting. The answer is Yes yes today on the show as public hearings continue. The Democrats case for impeachment is coming into focus plus Sweden has dropped an investigation into Julian assange but the US is still trying to put the wikileaks founder. Behind bars the assange case worries advocates of freedom of information and free press by by potentially endangering the journalists and the vast majority of indigenous languages are in danger of dying out in the United States will hear from Cherokee the writer on the policies that led us here plus much more big big show today. Let's go. This is the fifth in a series of public hearings. The committee will be holding as part of the House of Representatives Impeachment Inquiry Basser silent. Welcome really not glad you're here but welcome to the the fifth day of the circus. was there a quid pro quo as I testified previously with regard to the requested White House call and and the White House meeting. The answer is yes. Mr Giuliani's requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for president so Lansky again. Everyone was in the loop State Department. Leadership expressed total support for our efforts to engage the new Ukrainian Administration Secretary Perry Ambassador Volker and I worked with Mr Rudy. Giuliani on Ukraine matters at the express direction of the president of the United States ambassador. Gordon Song Lynn testifying there on Capitol Hill today. where he he told lawmakers? Yes there was a quid pro quo in the White House's dealings with Ukraine and that that policy reflected president trump's desires and requirements armaments. He also said that officials wrenching Vice President Mike Pence to Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo were all in the loop on what was going on with Ukraine. Joining me now to walk us through song. Lind's testimony is Amanda Terkel Washington Bureau chief at Huffington Post. Hi Amanda Hi thanks for having me. We heard song directly implicated several other senior senior White House officials. Mike Pompeo Vice President Mike Pence John Bolton help us break down what Sunland says. The role of those officials was in this Ukraine pressure campaign. Well one of the ways that Republicans have tried to dismiss all this. Is that if there was any malfeasance it was just this this rogue operation. It's hard for people to defend what Rudy Giuliani was doing and people like Sunland. Were maybe working with Giuliani. But you know it didn't go any farther than that. And that's a way to distance president trump. From all this but Sunland is saying today That's not true He said that basically everyone you want new everyone was in the loop it was no secret And this was essentially administration policy to get Ukraine to do the president's is bidding and to US foreign policy. US foreign policy to do so. Even if it's not in the national interest of the United States how momentous would you say today's testimony was Oh. I think it's the today's testimony was the biggest bombshell we've had so far I mean this this is this is someone who it's really hard for Republicans to dismiss him. He's a lifelong Republican who was chosen by trump to be ambassador to the e U He had regular regular contact with the president he even joked about how he and trump Often used four letter words and used crude language when they talk to each other like this. This is someone who said you know I had quite a bit of access to trump and so you know he's not a never trumper. He supported the president. He donated a million dollars to his inauguration and and he is saying that you know we were taking our orders from the president Everyone knew it was going on. And you know in this this is just very very hard for Republicans to dismiss The the the big quote of the day is sunland saying there was it was a quid pro quo here. How damaging is that particular for as an idea for president trump is allies? It's very damaging. Since that's the the big talking point is there was no quid pro quo. You know we heard Republicans and their line of questioning. Say like look. How do you know it was what the president wanted You they told you to go. T- trump told you to talk to Rudy Giuliani. But do you know what that really meant. And you know online is essentially saying like. Yeah we knew what it meant. If you're tying us that you don't want to deal with it and you want us to talk to rudy. Giuliani and Giuliani is telling us that this is what he wants us to do. It's clear what the orders were. Because trump and Giuliani Johny obviously spoke regularly as well so Republicans again are trying to distance trump as much as they can but the only way to get more proof if is to have trump the Giuliani testified directly. And obviously the White House doesn't want that so far but you have a guy who talked to both of them and he said it was clear what the president wanted and what we were supposed to do. So Republican ranking member Devon Nunez among others who dismiss the significance of this Quid pro quo. That's on the laid Out Today In what other ways where they're trying to undermine his testimony you know again. I think that the key ways that they have tried to dismiss miss the testimony of the witnesses is to question whether they have dual loyalty on the case of Lieutenant Colonel Kinman. That doesn't work here that they were never trumpers again. And you can't do that with someone who donated a million dollars to the president to say that they didn't have first hand knowledge. And you can't really do that with silent either but that is the one area where they're trying to do it more. You had trump speak to reporters while sunland testified and say I have not spoken to him much. This is not a man I know. Well He seems like a nice guy though so trump is trying to be like trump can't say that he never spoke to Sunland because he obviously did did but he's saying like look at it and really know about while Republicans are saying you know. He talked to Giuliani more. He doesn't have in writing or expressly trump saying. This is what I want. And so that is where you see. Republicans still trying to drive a wedge toward the end of Democrats counsel Daniel Anal Goldman's questioning. He brought up ambassador Bill. Taylor's early September conversations with Sunland Taylor testified that trump had told the ambassador aide was contingent on Zealand skis public announcements however solid disagreed. How significant is his disagreement with that? Not other claim by Taylor. Well it does seem like that much sunland. Understanding was much more that the quid pro quo focused on getting getting a White House meeting for his Alinsky. And if the Ukrainians wanted that then it would you know they needed to investigations and this idea of the aid came later but I thought one thing that was significant. That silent said that we hadn't heard before we obviously know that trump wanted Dolinsky to give a press conference saying he was going to investigate companies like Barista's which is obviously what Joe Biden was and his son were involved with but according to Sunland. Trump didn't actually want an investigation into charisma. He just wanted Zilenski to hold a press conference saying he was going to investigate charisma which seems to underscore that. Trump wasn't really concerned about Ukrainian corruption. He just wanted this press conference that he could then use for his political benefit. Whether it's running an ad or something thing like that does Onlin contradict any of his earlier testimony or did he add to it. I mean land has been a shifty wit witness he initially said Things didn't happen and he said they did you know He. There was a key phone. Call that others have testified about We're on land was over her talking to trump and saying that the key loves him that they're trump asking are they gonna to do the investigations and saw never brought that up for example so today he was asked about it and he said you know I don't really remember it because it was so so Ordinary we talked about stuff like this all the time. It would actually been weird. OR IF president trump hadn't mentioned investigations and so yes silent has been a bit all over the a place but he tried to say today that it wasn't part because the administration would not share with him many of his documents and his emails That he needed to back up his accounts and that they should be shared with him and with the committee. And so it's the administration's fault that his memory so faulty speaking of that phone own. Call that you refer to here. Is Adam Schiff asking about David. HOLMES THAT'S A. US Embassy official. David Holmes his account of his conversation insulin following that call. Let's let's listen in on. That also testified that you told him. President trump doesn't care about Ukraine. The only cares about big stuff that relates to him. Personally personally. I take it from your comment. You don't dispute that part of the conversation. Well he made that clear in the May twenty third meeting that he was not particularly fond of Ukraine. We had a lot of heavy lifting to do to get him to engage. So you don't dispute that part of Mr Holmes recollection now. What else hosted sunland confirm about the call and homes description of it? And what exactly did he dispute. Well he said I would have been more surprised if president trump had not mentioned investigations. That's another thing he said. I mean I guess just to stay on that. What are we to take away from that? I mean it to me it. It says that trump was obsessed with this. This is basically what they talked about the fact that song was involved in Ukraine at all has confused a lot of people in the administration. He's ambassador to the EU Ukraine is not part of his portfolio. So why is he involved. The Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yuliana Vich was obviously someone that trump didn't like. He didn't think she was on board. He needed a player who cooperate with him and apparently sunland was seen as that person again. He was a donor And that's basically how he got the job and that's not something that just Republicans do just trump. Does that something that Democrats do too and so he was seen as someone who might be on board and willing to play ball with what the administration wanted in this political agenda. And so that's that is why he was involved and you know again. Someone is someone who seems to like power. The and he liked. He seemed happy today to joke. About how well. He knew trump the crude language they used and just the access he had there. Were also this a constant reference which was kind of exploding on twitter to ace APP. Iraqi wiseass up rocky. Come into the picture here musician that we opened the segment where this if you didn't notice. Yeah Yeah I think there was something. That people were surprised as well I mean that was that was something that The trump administration was is involved got wrapped up in foreign policy. He was found guilty of assault in Sweden. But you know president trump Tried to help him and so yes it was a it was a weird. It was a weird mentioned today but it just also shows that saw land was closely involved in what trump was doing. Trump's personal interests following following sunland testimony. Amanda where do we stand right now. What facts are still in dispute? Well I guess if you you know I think that Democrats want to place laced trump as close to the action as they can Republicans say. They're still no smoking gun where trump said I will not give you this military areaid unless you investigate Joe Biden You know that may not exist but I think that Democrats feel like they have come close as they can without getting trump himself else or mick mulvaney or John Bolton Rick Perry or You know these other people who have direct knowledge rudy. Giuliani to testify Up You're going to hear Republicans saying it's not good enough. Amanda Terkel is Washington. Bureau chief at the Huffington Post. Thank you Amanda. Thank thank you. You ruined vinegar. Paul in for Tanzania Vega today and you're listening to takeaway yesterday prosecutors in Sweden abandoned their investigation of rape and sexual assault allegations against Julian assange. Sweden's deputy the director of Public Prosecution. said the evidence is not strong enough to form the basis of indictment. It was this investigation and the threat of extradition to the United Estates. That kept assange hold up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London for seven years until this past April when he was removed from the embassy and arrested by British police to supporters. Julian assange. It was seen at least initially as a symbol of transparency and bravery in the face of a secretive military and national security apparatus. I started wikileaks so to solve a very interesting problem to me which was to know the fate of man no the fate of mankind but his image has grown grown increasingly complicated particularly considering the role wikileaks played in the interference of the two thousand sixteen election for more on this. I'm joined by Scott Shane a reporter order at the New York. Times who covers national security Scott. Thanks for being here. What does Sweden dropping these charges mean for? Julian assange well it. SIMPLIFIES ASSANGE is very complex. Legal situation but really. It doesn't fundamentally change. The fact that the United States has indicted indicted him on very serious charges under the espionage act that could put him in prison in the US for many years and the US has requested requested extradition and the British will have to go through a legal process. ASSANGE has a bunch of lawyers who will fight it and it's not entirely clear what the outcome will be but he's still faces extradition to the US in a very long prison term. What is the basis of their defense of their client? The defense of their client is essentially that he is a journalist that he is a publisher and that he did what All kinds of journalists and publishers. Doing the United States all the time. Which is he received classified information from sources and published it of course assange and wikileaks is a sort of journalistic organization but it's highly unconventional? But it is true that the New York Times and the Washington Post and all kinds of news organizations on a regular basis do publish classified information historically the US government has kind of decided that it will prosecute leakers of such information in other words the government officials are former government officials who violate a secrecy oath and reveal classified information but they won't punish the reporter reporter who collect that information writes it up or the publisher publishes it. And that's been a sort of a cornerstone of a free press in the the United States. It's sort of a an arrangement that has allowed aggressive coverage of even the secret parts of government the military the intelligence agencies that you have this deterrent in the sense that the leaker is can be charged. So you know the assange case Breaks with that precedent that long standing precedent and worries advocates of freedom of information and and free press in the US By potentially endangering the journalists who tried to cover the government. So I guess simply put ah if the trump administration gets what it wants which is to prosecute Julian assange. What would that mean for press freedoms here in the US? Well I think I think it would be very worrisome. Some people would argue. I think the trump administration would argue that assange and wikileaks are a unique case. Ace and that they are so different from An organization like the when I worked for that The rest of the press should not worry but in fact of course president trump has frequently attacked the mainstream press in the US and called called us the enemy of the people and so it's easy to imagine that the wikileaks prosecution could be sort of stepping stone on to a much more aggressive approach to how you handle the publication of government secrets in the press. Now when he was on the campaign trail candidate trump praised wikileaks. They WANNA distract us from wikileaks. It's been amazing. What's coming out on wikileaks? This but once in office his administration move to prosecute assange. What changed well when when he was on the campaign trail? wikileaks was was releasing thousands of emails. That had been hacked by Russian intelligence. And you know the Russians. Shins decided that after experimenting with their own websites that the way to get these e mails more attention was to give them the wikileaks and that proved extremely successful. zestful and The democratic emails got a lot of attention and disrupted Hillary Clinton's campaign so at that point. He was cheering on wikileaks because wikileaks was helping to undermine the campaign of his opponent and he literally said On many occasions I love wikileaks. wiki leaks I love wikileaks when they took office his first director. Mike Pompeo now the secretary of state sort of changed course. Pompano himself had spoken highly of wikileaks during the campaign. But he got everybody's attention by calling wikileaks a hostile non-state intelligence service and that was sort of a signal that they were now no longer praising their sort of political ally Julian assange but they are now looking at Julian assange as a you know as a threat to national security the Obama Administration had considered and then rejected the idea of prosecuting assange and wikileaks leaks. But the trump administration justice department came to a different conclusion. And that's what resulted in these charges. You were on the receiving end of the initial document document dump by wikileaks in twenty ten back. Then what did you think about assange and wikileaks. which handed you a ton of diplomatic and military documents and then turning turning around and posting it all online? Well you know I think we were. We were grateful to get all these inside documents from the military about the war in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and then these quarter billion diplomatic cables which gave a a you know really unprecedented view of the inside of American diplomacy in in many parts of the world and we wrote many stories and a lot of other mainstream stream. Publications wrote many stories based on those documents. I mean I think what what assange and wikileaks did was. They essentially brought the the old process of leaking into the Internet age. He came up with this. You know sort of fairly brilliant idea and empowered empowered a whole generation of whistle blowers and disgruntled insiders. Who could leak documents not serve one by one as had happened through throughout the history of journalism but on a mass scale so that you had Chelsea Manning handing handing over hundreds of thousands of these military and diplomatic documents? I think the difference between the view that assange took and that that most people in the mainstream media took which became clearer with the passage of time was that he often was reluctant to redact anything e early on especially they would dump documents out without concern for people named named the documents and potential harm to those people and with the diplomatic cables. For example we went through a very elaborate redaction process assess that did involve wikileaks. We collaborate with wikileaks and other news organizations to protect for example say Chinese dissidents dissidents or Russian professors who were Talking to American diplomats without the knowledge their government and who if you if their names were published could get in a big trouble. You know we would redact those names out. But subsequently assange and wikileaks in a dispute with an editor for the British A news organization. The Guardian just decided to dump all the unredacted cables out Undoing all the care with which we had redacted act those names so there was a difference in there is a difference between the way wikileaks approaches Journalism and the way most traditional journalists approach this subject but there is this Fundamental parallel which I think is why a lot of journalists are worried about the US prosecution of of assange. I've been speaking with Scott. Shane reporter at the New York Times. Scott thanks so much for your time thank you hi everybody. This is the takeaway Maroon Vinegar. Paul in for Tanzania Nevada in the United States many indigenous languages are dying out despite efforts to preserve them all but two of the one hundred and fifteen indigenous languages in the US us are endanger or at risk of extinction the administration for Native Americans budgets roughly twelve million dollars annually tribes to preserve native language. But that is a small fraction of what was spent in the late eighteen. Hundreds and early nineteen hundreds to support boarding school infrastructure which contributed to the decline of many indigenous indigenous languages. Here is Jesse Little Baird the vice chairwoman of the Mashpee WOMP Enoug- tribe testifying at a Congressional hearing last year on efforts to maintain contain and revitalized native languages. When Nike socks on cuss on? Kush Kwok Natasa with Jesse Clinic. Ways Need Song Squat Mississippi. AP What not. Japan song quite a shy. You won't cut Kalang walking onto ICU. McCain and the story of America America and how we became one great nation is a story woven from many different peoples and many different languages. The language is an important potent threat in that history for us. The preservation of our language is the preservation of ourselves while native languages are facing many threats today summer number taking steps to preserve them Osceola Gardellin thought Don Teluk John. How joplin Missouri Iowa tests and the Ola Gogi gala? Gay Michael Sarah Dune. Aw French Poulsen. Do Don direct. Only he steep discount. My name is Rebecca Nagel. I live and Talla Oklahoma and the grew up in Joplin Missouri. And I am learning how to speak Jerky Rebecca is a Cherokee writer and host of this land podcast recently reported on the extinction inch of native American languages for High Country News. There's not one. US federal policy that you can pin down as the cause. But I think one of the examples that stands out the most is the boarding school era so starting in the eighteen seventies and continuing well into the nineteen hundreds. The United States established a system of boarding schools across the United States. Where an estimated third of Indian children at the time where sent the idea behind these schools famously was to kill the Indian and save the man so the idea was that native people people would still exist? There would still be Indian people in the United States but there would no longer be tribes. We would no longer have distinct extinct culture and we would no longer have our languages so in boarding schools native kids Were punished for speaking. Their languages The boarding schools were also so places of well documented and systemic physical and sexual abuse. But it's not the only policy that the United States government created Ed to assimilate native Americans into mainstream white culture. You know there's over a century of the United States doing things like banning native religions ends You know giving Indians incentives to move off the reservation and into urban areas systemically. Adopting native kids out of Indian homes uh-huh And the list goes on in this dark legacy of of sending kids boarding schools essentially separating them from the culture many people consider that a form of genocide in my right yes it was a form of cultural genocide and so I think that when we do learn about native history you know we learn about things like the trail trail of tears. We learn about things like wounded knee and basically the era of Indian wars. And what happened in the late. Eighteen hundreds as the United States decided that thought it would be more cost effective. You know there are. You can look documents of the time people arguing about it that it would be more cost effective rather than focusing focusing on annihilating Indians to focus on assimilating. Uh So to get us to sort of abandon our identity as tribal people end to assimilate assimilate into mainstream white society from the perspective of indigenous communities. What are the main hurdles? Keeping their languages alive. There are a lot of different estimates on how many indigenous languages are endangered. And how many are healthy. And it's actually kind of interesting that there's not the United States itself doesn't have more of an official number but ethno log does and you know when they look at the health of a language they look at. How old are our speakers so languages that are considered you know really on the path to extinction and extreme danger our languages? Where are the speakers are older than they're not having kids anymore? So they're not of an age where they're still having kids so they could raise kids and just passed the language onto the next generation So that's the situation with Cherokee. Most of our speakers are over the age of sixty and were facing this cliff where if we don't raise another generation that knows the language twenty thirty years from now there won't be people who still speak Cherokee. Yeah I think there are a lot of challenges. I think one of the hard things is just the complete pervasiveness and dominance of English and so whether it's TV TV or facebook or social media. English is everywhere into. I would make the point that you know at a time when we had a lot of people speaking Cherokee in our communities we had time as a tribe where we actually operated our own coed public education system that was bilingual Anglo. Kids actually learn in English and Turkey and this was prior to Oklahoma becoming a state so in the eighteen hundreds are kids how how to higher literacy rate in our citizens had a higher literacy rate than white people in surrounding states at the time. And what happened when Oklahoma became a state. And we we went through Is that those schools were taken over by the federal government and then eventually by the state and they became a place where native kids were actually punished for. Speaking in their language in so after generations of kids were mistreated and public schools. For speaking their language people stop treating teaching teaching their kids even made an effort for their younger siblings to speak English because people didn't want their family members to go through what they had gone through so plenty of reasons to be pessimistic. Is there any reason to be optimistic at this moment from your perspective. Yeah I mean I think that there are a lot of language programs that are having really positive outcomes. I participate in a language program. I'm an adult learner. In with language program with my tribe you know. They're emerging schools across the United States and those schools aren't just having good outcomes four language but they're also just having really good outcomes for kids so kids that grow up connected in their culture have higher self esteem have higher achievements have higher graduation rates. There is a lot of studies about. Oh how beneficial. It is for kids to be bilingual. And so we have those success stories and I think the main point I wanted to make an article is just ought. The funding doesn't match the scale of the problem. And so you know when only a hand you know there are five hundred. Seventy three federally federally recognized tribes in the United States. Most Ardila Lean in some way or another with preserving or revitalizing bringing bringing back their language. And if only a handful of those tribes every year can get support for those efforts. You know that that means that most don't have the resources that they need. You know a Lotta tribes are doing what they can do on their own. But I hope that the conversation that the article starts is what does it mean you know that our government was willing to spend so much money on the ratification of native languages and native culture. That now it's is willing to spend so much less on language. Revitalization Rebecca Nagel is host of this land. podcast she's also Cherokee writer and student of the Cherokee Erkki language. Rebecca you WANNA share some Cherokee with us to to to go out on Instead of saying goodbye in Turkey we say like until I see you again so you can say dot go hunting. A- and that's Intel. We all see each other again. Thank you so much. Rebecca opera hasn't new champion. And it's a podcast. I'm rhianna Giddens host of Aria Code and in each episode. We breakdown one song from an opera. So you can hear it with fresh ears with top singers Tosca unexpected guests at late in the NFL. Now on the New York Times Calls Area Code Loomis. The New Yorker says it's superb on every level and. I think you're gonNA like it too. Four experienced fantastic listened. Listen to Arias coat. The new season at Arco Dot. Org or wherever you get your podcasts gets caused by dam failures have declined in recent decades but thousands of people live move downstream from high risk dams. Today we've already seen some of those dams fail in the last few years the aftermath of which have been devastating. The Nation's tallest to the Oroville dam in California collapsed two years ago and force more than one hundred and eighty thousand people to evacuate the area and in Nebraska. This past March the failure of the Spencer Dam and the flooding flooding followed led to the destruction of homes and businesses and left one person dead authorities. Say a damn has failed on a river. You can see the just the Karsh conditions there. Warm weather followed by massive amounts of rain caused water and ice to flood on a highway. Three people who live near the dam are still missing whether has prevented search and rescue efforts efforts there. Most of the nation's dams are more than fifty years. Old and experts are increasingly concerned that the dams aren't equipped to handle intensifying rain. Storms and and floods linked to climate change tenzin of Vega recently spoke with David Liebe correspond with the Associated Press about the state of damn infrastructure in the US. Some of these dams literally literally have cracks in them. Water is leaking out through concrete or in some cases when the dams are made out of earth water is bubbling up. which could mean? There's a sign of internal attornal erosion in the dam. And that's not good. In some cases the problems at the dams are well natural. You might say there are trees and bushes that are growing on top of the dams. That could cause problems. There are animals burrowing holes and dams in some cases and other cases. The problems are a little more hard hard to detect for example. Some dams have spillway as that are of an inadequate capacity to handle the amount of water that could come out them in an extreme rainfall. All of aunt who is responsible for inspecting and maintaining these dams is there enough oversight or regulation. Right now there really is a patchwork across the country. When it comes to the regulation of dams some dams are owned by the federal government and they are inspected by the federal government? Perhaps by the Army Corps of Engineers ears. These are dams that you might think of. That are really large. Maybe they're holding back a huge lake and they're generating hydropower but most of the dams across the country country are regulated by state inspectors. These dams may be owned by local cities counties. They might be owned by private individuals or homeowners associations associations or a business when it comes to regulating these dams many states hire their own inspectors who go out and visually look at these dams but but in other states they rely on the damn owner to hire a private engineer to go out and inspect their own facility so it really does vary quite a bit around the country. David were there any states that stood out as far as having more regis or more severe damn conditions than others while there are certainly some states that had more four of these dams in the high hazard poor an unsatisfactory condition. Georgia had nearly two hundred of those North Carolina. One hundred sixty eight eight. In fact that the southeast had sort of a a larger cluster of these but it wasn't exclusively to southeast where we saw high numbers of these Pennsylvania had one hundred forty forty five in that condition. Ohio hundred twenty four And even New York had forty eight and those condition which ranked about eleven nationally. So the fact that we're able to identify dams in this category in forty four out of the forty five states for which we received information tells you that this is an issue across the country. Not just just. In one particular region there are people most likely living either in the vicinity of these dams or directly downstream from these dams. Are they aware of the scope of the problem. And some cases yes in other cases probably not these emergency action plans lay out the area that would be flooded did if the dam were to catastrophically fail and what structures lie in the way what homes went businesses when you might expect the water to reach their are you at the dam did fail but these documents also spell out. Who would be responsible for contacting alerting the public about this danger now in states where these are public records is possible that people may be aware of this and some states where these are not public records? It's sort of hard to imagine if you don't live within eyesight of the dam that you're aware of the potential danger because these dams if they were to fail they're not just flooding the people who who are within eyesight of the damn hundred yards downstream. That water is going to flow into a creek which is going to flow into a smaller river. which is going to eventually make? Its way to a bigger river but along the way there's potential for people who are two three five miles ten miles fifteen miles downstream to be affected if they're in the valley along. These waterways David What can be done given the severity of some of the damage. That you've described here in your reporting well. The federal government does have some money available for the first time in the two thousand nineteen fiscal year. The Federal Government through FEMA distributed ten million dollars to about half the states to address high hazard. Dams that are in poor condition putting people at risk. Now that ten million dollars if you looked at it really would be about enough have to fix one damn but this money is not to make the actual repairs. It's to finance. The engineering studies the plans. That would be necessary to eventually. Oh you make the repairs. A few states also have their own grant programs where state agencies are making state money available to repair dams so there is some attention. Attention being brought to this issue but to fix everything would cost tens of billions of dollars. There is not a budget for that at any level of government right now now as storms become more intense is climate change creating a greater sense of urgency. In what you've found around this issue. We'll certainly among officials in damn regulatory agencies. There is awareness that dams may have been designed for one level of storm and may not still be capable of handling the type of weather that is being experienced now or may be experienced in the near future. I WANNA give an example of how that comes into play here so what you don't I want to have happen on. A damn is for the water to come over the top of it because when water stops flowing over the top of the damn deck in a row the backside of it which causes the dam to fall down and fail so most dams will have a spillway built into them. And that's a way for the water to start flowing out before it reaches the top. In many cases these spillway as Are Not Large enough to handle the amount of water that could be coming out down. There is a lake in New York called Lake Subagyo. It's in a state park. It's near the New Jersey border. The inspectors noted that it spillway was seriously inadequate to handle the amount of water that it could have to handle and part of the challenges that to rebuild and repair this spillway. You would also after we build a road and a bridge that pass over the dam. Their project could cost fifteen million dollars. And that's a lot of money. Which is why it hasn't happened yet? David Liebe is a correspondent with the associated. Press David thanks so much for being with us. You're welcome the Maroon vehicle. Paul in for Tanzania Vega and this is the takeaway at the turn of the twentieth century people across the world were migrating to the United States in search of the American dream but at a time we knew people were coming in one community in particular decided to leave. Thousands of Chinese Americans left left the United States for China after experiencing rampant racism. These included Patricia. Joe also known as Chow Kwan. Link a California girl went on to great success as an actress in Hong Kong. Joining us to talk about the Chinese Chinese American Immigration of the Twentieth Century Is Charlotte Brooks a professor at Baruch College and author of American Exodus. Hi Charlotte Hiran. Why did Chinese Americans leave the United States in the early twentieth century? Well it is sort of a flip of what we assume was the normal pattern where European repeat immigrants were pouring into the United States by the millions looking for upward mobility and security and economic stability Chinese Americans. At this point in the people I wrote about they were American born people they had. US citizenship but their parents who were by enlarge merchants. They couldn't become come. US citizens they had come to the United States as one of the few groups that could still immigrated from China under the Chinese Exclusion Act. These merchants came Seeking the same thing. The Europeans sought economic stability and success but their children born in the United States faced racism in so many areas of their. They're life they couldn't live where they wanted to live. They couldn't get jobs. Outside of a very narrow economic niche economy of restaurants and hand laundries and souvenir stores they face downward mobility in American society. So many of them began to consider taking their skills especially to those who had been educated in American universities to China which after the turn of the century was seeking such people to try to modernize build infrastructure and develop by more modern economic sector. So how many people are we talking about. You know it's A. It's a difficult number to trace over time I've used a mix of immigration statistics and All kinds of documentation in the about nineteen hundred to nineteen sixteen. We're talking about five thousand dozen people which doesn't sound like much but it was about a quarter of the Chinese American citizen population which is actually if you think about that. Proportion is extraordinary Later on after about nineteen nineteen another five thousand to nine thousand emigrated which was about half of the actual native born Chinese American population. So some of these people were generations removed from China. How some of these people fair in a country they'd never or lived in before you know there were two groups of immigrants that I profiled One group I call the modernizers because they took their American educations ends and they went all over China in the first years of their immigration. And they go to of notice and they had a great deal of prestige and so for them although they were culturally They were often struggling to the language. Many of them spoke the dialect of the south but the prestige and wealth that they gained was a compensation there was another group a lot of people who went to the south with their parents at networks. They were merchants and students and for the students. Since this was a real struggle they were put in village schools. They didn't really speak the language they struggled. And eventually this infrastructure developed of special schools for Cheney's Americans and other ethnic Chinese from overseas to come to sell China and studying these special schools where they often studied in English in in the second wave of emigrants by the nineteen twenties and especially by the thirties. You have large numbers of people coming from the United States to China to study at universities in China where the medium of instruction was English which is not really what we assume happens? It was a really a kind of a way to accommodate this group of people. This kind of hybrid in between society that developed on China's coast on. I remember when I was when I was ten. My family moved from Houston to India and we just took like crazy amounts of like you know better home and garden back issues. Laura Ingalls Wilder Little House on the payroll these books and we kind of obsessed with these things when we lived there we we we were taken away did did many of these immigrants bring the American culture with them overseas. You know it's funny South China because there had been so many immigration flows over the years actually had this sort of market get in for an American products and Hong Kong. Certainly did in Shanghai certainly did a lot of Chinese Americans went to Shanghai worked on an English language. Language paper that was owned by Chinese modeled off of American publications and so you have the sort of hybrid culture that developed around these people and eventually other Chinese have studied abroad I it's it's quite distinct from other Chinese cultures. That are you know developed in post revolution. China China one thousand nine hundred. Nineteen tents did this pattern of immigration have any impact on U S Chinese relations at the time yet became a real sticking point It varies various times and one reason was that foreigners in China especially Europeans Americans and Japanese had the special status that they had really wrenched away from a success of Chinese governments with a series of unequal treaties That there were places in China that were actually controlled by seeded the two western powers. Most people don't know that parts of Shanghai were governed policed by some the Shanghai Municipal Council which was foreign controlled old There is something called extraterritoriality. meaning that if you're from a foreign country that had the particular kind of agreement with China if you committed you did a crime on Chinese soil. You couldn't be tried in a Chinese court. You tried in your own nations courts which is kind of an extraordinary thing but what this meant up for. Chinese Americans was that the series of Chinese governments claimed that Chinese Americans were Chinese citizens and the US government was supposed to protect you. And you were supposed to have extra territoriality which four canny Chinese Americans could be a real opportunity. You could apply for jobs that were only open the Chinese citizens but if you've gotten to scrape you could clay extraterritoriality And there was a lot of wrangling. But there's also such deep racism in the State Eight Department at this point that by nineteen twenty five twenty six the US government simply washed. Its hands of China's America's and said while they're in China we will not not protect them many of them end up returning to the US. My right yeah. Most most that I've followed so that return might suggest somewhat hopefully believe that the US actually solved a problem of its own making but is it fair to say that what really happened was war. The beginning of World War Two in Asia you had had a massive outflow of Chinese Americans. They did not actually follow the nationals government inland when it retreated in the face of Japanese advance and in a sense they voted with their feet. This wasn't about loyalty to anybody. It wasn't they weren't loyal but it was about safety security and going someplace where there was enough food safety so in nineteen forty six. You see something like two thousand Chinese Americans pouring out of south China And of course after World War Two things did change for Chinese Americans. You know not quickly enough. The Chinese exclusion after it was finally repealed in nineteen forty three and because of labor needs needs and military needs. Chinese Americans were able to get jobs. that they had never gotten before And that made an impact on Chinese American citizens who are living in China when they see Chinese Americans wearing the uniform of the United States being treated with respect in positions that before the war would have been impossible so when they have to make a choice in forty five forty six hundred and the communist took over the mainland many of them make the choice to return. Charlie Brooks is a professor at Baruch College and author of American Exodus. Charlotte thank you so I think that's our show for today. Thanks so much for listening. I'm a ruined vinegar. Paul in for Tanzania Vega. 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Teaching from Home: Matt Hood  Oak National Academy and ResearchED Home

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Teaching from Home: Matt Hood Oak National Academy and ResearchED Home

"Hello welcome. Miss the Boston Matz. Podcast with me. Craig this is another episode in my teaching from home. Podcast series a series of episodes dedicated to supporting teachers who are working from home amidst the cove in nineteen outbreak of twenty twenty. The Teaching Room. Home podcast series is kindly supported by test resources. Tez resources have created a home learning collection full of Hampate free resources for teachers to use with children who are learning at home all to share with parents please. Such online for tests home learning to find the collection and see how tests can help you. You can also find this collection through the Tez. Corona virus support hope TEZ DOT com forward slash corona virus. My aim throughout his teaching from home. Podcast series is that you will hear from a wide variety of teach. It's an education experts sharing a wide variety of experiences. We've had technology focused episodes looking at just. How remote teaching works? But we've also had episodes focused on the practicalities of coping with setting students appropriate work whilst also having to look after your own children at home we've covered issues involving safeguarding differentiation. And both teacher and student wellbeing think we've heard from math teachers teachers of other subjects. I'm primary schoolteachers. We've heard from teachers from the UK and overseas hopefully has been something for everyone and have no idea how long this series will continue to go on for but Salang as people keep listening and hopefully find it useful. I shall continue this time around. I spoke to Matt. Hort Matt is the principle of Oak National Academy an online school setup over the Easter holidays sharing videos and resources for students from reception to year ten now. Seven schooldays launch over one million pupils have watched over two million lessons on the Oak National Academy website. So obviously I asked Matz how this project came about and crucially how teachers are using the resources. We also discussed something that hasn't yet. Komo in this series teaches see PD during school closures. Matt talks about research at home as well as the wonderful idea of teachers using the national academy videos essentially lesson observation tools to consider critique we even end with. Matt's own life hack about how to be productive during lockdown. I really hope you enjoyed this conversation as much as I did and find as useful as I did and as ever please okay. It gives me great pleasure to wealth of multiple. The podcast. So up to start off with Jesus tells a little bit about yourself and your background sure. And it's great to be here so I suppose I've got I saw a covert nineteen droppin profile and then a pre navy again post Kovic nineteen file so the moment of doing things. I am currently Principal Oak National Academy which is an online school making lessons available to anybody who needs them at fourteen fifteen year olds. And I'm also the convenor research at home so being smart people in to your home for teacher. Pd At eleven o'clock every day. So that might like to lockdown jobs at the moment and in normal times in normal times. My work is a combination of working on the front line in school. Who's a teacher? I'm an economics chip training. I'm currently chair governor's school in and Morecambe which is a glorious seaside town in the northwest of England that you should definitely visit once you're allowed policy wonkery so I'm an independent advisor to the Department for Education Professional Development and standards and then my joy and passion in teacher development so helping teachers to keep getting better motion the Founder Institute which is one of the law educated development provides the UK flipping. I'm growing increasingly annoyed and jealous of the of the people who are coming on this. Podcast is it's not very impressive. Nothing nothing possible without fantastic front. Mass teachers sorry equally impressive. I think well I'll tell you what before. We dive into National Academy. And I just want to talk a little bit is okay with you about research had home because this is a very exciting initiative this and this there is a danger that the focus and during this lockdown becomes onto the impact is going to have on students that learning and so on and so forth but of course the other side of this is is teaching and I know myself from somebody goes round giving talks and tried that literally all my events for for the rest of the academic year of obviously bid been counseled so research and research at home in particular as a key role to play in this. He used to talk. Talk US through a little bit about it now. Well like how does it work? What are some of the kind of sessions that they have already happened in the? How can people check these out? Yeah so a super simple as is really important. The map things going on so almost every day. I'm GONNA say almost because there are a couple of exceptions almost every day at eleven o'clock if you go onto the research at home twitter handle show at research at home you can find a link pin to the top latte in that link Google spreadsheet which gives you a list of all of the speakers coming up for that week you can click on a link to resume weapon are and follow along the presentation and ask questions at the end. Eleven o'clock every day. One seems if you missed that slot for whatever reason all of the presentations are recorded and again in that Google document you can go back see previous speakers and click on a link which will let you watch again so twice. Questions live but you will be able to listen to the discussion and debate. And they're all available on the back catalogue will remain available. We've got amazing array of people. We kicked off with Dan. Willingham yesterday was Dylan William the everybody from teachers in the front line to academics through to the people working in the education sector all of whom are talking about evidence informed approaches to making sure every kid gets a great education little plug. If this gets time I'M ON TOMORROW WITH TWITTER. Who is grilling me on? All things. Educate to expertise think Barney style newsnight grilling on on everything there. And Sammy's obviously the perfect. And Education's answer to to to do that. This may be a bit deep. Virtually all in the in the conversation here and there's been a lot of talk obviously about whether this this this school's closure is going to change. How learning happens long term and so on and so forth and you get any sense that it's going to have any long term impacts on how. Cpa's is deliberate. Because I know that's one of the most common things people ask about research at all like the local events and how come then filmed. Why can't we access them and so on? Did you get a sense that there's going to be some that this is GonNa be the way? Cds can be moved into more remote even one one schools reopen and. Everything's back to normal so I'M A and although although not politically at least educationally I've I'm relatively small key. See Conservative on some of these things and think we need to be careful about the whole world's GonNa Change some things. Don't change one of which is so of aspects of all biology cognitive and behavioral science points to some good bets and being with other people and not being. I think important and so you know it's the whole world going to get offended no although some things that I think we've been able to do quite quickly that might more widespread. Yeah probably an ambitious shoot with delivering about programs for about six thousand educators and you one time to obtain thing from teachers start that career right the way up to multi company trust for quite a few years. Those programs have been blended so they've involved sometime when people are coming together face to face and some time where things are done remotely and different methods of instruction just like in your classroom are well are better suited to different types of content. And you know what we found over the past years. Is things like you know one to one coaching or small group discussions and particularly when they're short period of time are actually probably just as good online as they are face to face. You know as we're all experiencing doing a full day's worth of content in front of your computer by yourself is really really difficult and every something powerful about building a network with the humans who are interested in the things that you're interested in because you spend time with them face to face that I think some online approaches comrade okay so maybe move towards more blended approach that took up window. No the thing I would say you know what I wanted to have. Potential uses of lessons that were developing Oak. Also available. You know through school trusts like green shore outward and we're building a bank of exemplifications which is quite interesting before if your trainee teacher and you're teaching Pythagoras for the first time it's quite hard to watch an example of somebody doing it by. It's quite hard to find an example of that exposition and that modeling to teach that concept. Really well I'm really succinctly I think what we're going to have the back of this is a big bigger. At Least Bank of exemplifications that are demane specific like down to the individuals of soap topic level. And allow you to see that in the sequence so if you go onto the oak website at the moment you can watch second rematch teacher. Teach everything about expanding brackets in sequence over three or four lessons and I think trainee teachers like seeing a old colleague a very good friend Vicki richly. Who's one of the leads at Shotton Hall Research School? She calls them goals. What a good one looks like a concept which I love and we're just GONNA have like hundred. We're producing one hundred eighty waigle's a week. Yes and that's subject specific that really relevant to the thing. That early create teacher is about to go into the classroom and teach that I think. Is You know how some wheel we elect them? Real power did you know. This is me being being completely deaf. They're not even considered that that. That's a spinoff kind of positive for him from this from the National Academy Project that we'll talk about in a second. The impact could have teachers in terms of watching those lessons. And and you're right. There's there's two sides to this. There's more experienced teacher watching get and picking up on those kind of subtle things and Ben possibly can of critiquing their purchasing and not do things slightly different but then also as you say novice teachers. Training teachers just walked one. Elsa Gold Mine of resources that that's going to be from far better than for example downloading. Gay a Bright Shiny sparkly resource from a blog from TAZAL. Something that the talks. We see the questioning. The modeling and so on an in action is is is absolutely priceless. That because what I was gonNA say just before we move onto national academy. This is a big fear isn't it particularly teaches doing that. Training gear now of how the sanctuary there if it's PG their second school placement Kinda wiped out and we'll be we'll be starting jobs in September as key ts having had very little classroom experience. It's a big issue isn't it? Yeah and go remember Trainings only people say you're a year. Well it's not really a game. It's nine months and the bit where you do. The most teaching is in this term. Yes because you bet you'll I have a bit more on that a bit more and so yet like schools and thinking about what they can do to support early career teachers when they start in September is really important and he's about my education policy. I most excited about which I think is also going to help. Here is the work that the government's doing on the early career framework and the rollout the training and support that comes with the APP because it says looking like this. This job of teaching is incredibly complex. What we're asking teachers to do is to think about the thinking of thirty small humans simultaneously for twenty hours a week. That's really really difficult and it takes a really long time to master. You certainly coster nine months. And let's put more support and development for the PG trading plus the two years afterwards and it's more robust than those trainings again to be in a better position to make a success out that long term career in this amazing profession support. What like him Mao. What in your your is is is is good support. The schools can put into place for foreign cuties. Particularly I'm thinking Sept- September twenty twenty. Five schools are open. Then yes show and the first thing to take a look at is the framework itself. It's a really evident informed pussy comprehensive view of the sorts of things that you would need to know and be able to do in order to speak with teacher a sketchy outline of what we call the mental model that you need to to be a teacher and so taking a look at that and using it to inform the induction program. That you've got in place for your schoo- I think he's a really really good start. The early Rowlatt actually starts in September. Should there were small number of areas at the moment that have access to a training program designed by one of four organizations ambitions shoot teach first education about materials the e? If you've not taken advantage of that support you can definitely get in touch with them and have a conversation with them about whether they might be able to do some of that training four. You which I know is going to be really welcome particularly with everything else that's going on and then it's about keeping your eye out for the for the full roll out the following year. The government's putting a lot of time and energy resources into making this accessible and flexible for schools as possible so they can find a training package. It works so then. Some combination all explicit guided instruction to build knowledge in the areas of the framework that needed particularly those that relate specifically to the subject. You'll teaching plus a combination of mentoring alongside that to help you. Practice and apply acknowledge flexibly in the context which working and a combination of those two things. I think he's a really promising. It will be very powerful from tastic and final question just before we move on to talk specifically about national. If we've got teachers listening who are I? That training teaches all that and key. Tease or occupancies and so on or even just any teacher at any point in that profession. Who's thinking Genoa? I'm missing out on PD here. I'm getting rusty. I'm nervous about September. I WANNA keep kind of upskilling myself and keep developing the White House. Moment schools were open. At what. What advice would you have? Is it as simple as watch the research at home videos and GO-TO National Academy? Is there anything else? You'd you'd point into shape so let's shameless plug it. I thought I'd get straightened out. January some of the people on on research at home who were talking about whole range of topics. I just think he's brilliant and they will push and challenge your thinking and it's a really good thing to engage with Taking a look at the lessons and comparing them to what you do and thinking about how you would improve them. I think is also really a really good thing to do that. The last thing though here is to say there are lots of things on at the moment. You're lots of teachers. Probably have family home and are trying to do that. Draw Bucknell Kostelic nations children and look at their own children and families and Someone who's been in and out of school at various points of my career. I had that feeling of nervousness and rustiness and yet does take lots get back into it but there is some similarities with riding bike. And just to reassure everybody. You haven't forgotten how to teach. I probably went through of existential crisis about the three months before I went back in worrying I add entirely forgotten how to do it and turns out you haven't and they make sure that over this period of time you look after yourself and your family before worrying too much about not getting enough. Cpa that said you can put this on your headphones on bath. Listen TO JOE FACE. Talk about how to improve curriculum quality. You know why would you not want to do that? Let's see right. Okay so let. Let's talk about National Academy and just I'm interested just in the background of this to start mats and so a few questions what is it. Where did the idea come from? And can you give us a sense of some of the people involved? Yeah sure so. We provide an online classroom. Which has lessons available for four to fifteen year old broken down by subject and by year group? It's about three hours a day for every primary school people to lessons for reception through Tia six. They cover English massive and what we call foundation which is a range of subjects spanning the National Curriculum. An four hours a day for secondary school pupils math English science again plus a foundation lesson which covers a range of topics The across the national curriculum those lessons are available for free. They work on as many devices. We possibly imagine we've tried to make the work on everything from laptops desktops tablets phones Dave on smart TVs and I think on Thursday last week. We had one hundred people's doing lessons by their playstation which is led to believe disciplined them. It's a real testament to not allow yourself to be distracted free. The entire curriculum map is available teaches to see in that classroom. So you can see every lesson that's happening between now and half term and therefore teachers to use however they would like to use them. You can import them into your own Google classroom. You have long. Were working on the same teams of the Microsoft equivalent and it is a generous offer created by Greek pop now about sixty teachers. Full they colleagues to help Provide free online cumulus during this lockdown period. Wow Wow and what amazes me about? This was pretty quick like I. Give me a sense from this waltz. Each sentence going online. What are we talking here? I need to dig battery messages to find the exact date and the individual to blame. I'm pretty sure I know who the the answer the second question. I won't show thirsty meetings on good. Friday is probably the best the best anchor for its birth could argue sorta born the day before because we had to organize a meeting on Friday which meant we had about a week to figure out how to not only create one hundred and eighty three. I think is lesser but build a platform that was accessible. Didn't fall over work smoothly and seamlessly. We put the first group of lessons aboard I. They've turned out the second when two days ago and so far we've had about million kids access not far now off three million messages. I think we're in about two point. Eight million today million students like we just didn't think we didn't think it would be anywhere near this so surprise every day. There's a whole range of people. I think we currently have about two hundred people in some way shape or form working volunteering on the project as a group of schools and schools. Who have for free generously provided that teachers curriculum resources although teachers just to reassure but he still employed by trust is still being paid that just working on this project to contribute and share with that is we got backing from some ad agencies and some social media cheese and Google who provided a lot of pro bono support to us and then the rest of the team is like a Heinz fifty seven of random knowledge and skills developers through to communications experts. Three two project managers through to jack-of-all-trades me cheese. Now I'm I'm interested and again this you yours. Guess whatever initiative comes out like this does always kind of tricky questions. Aston Challenges and critiques and one of these was Over the selection of the teachers were going to be involved and so on and potentially this a bias towards the more direct instruction cognitive science traditionalist approach to teaching and it was not something you concerned about matter. And how did you choose that? The teachers who revolted was a case. They put themselves forward. Can you tell us a little bounce? Yeah what are the one of the shadows as as it were of you know being able to week show many pupils Short space of time is just throw some questions about how things would and they're all right and proper and I put that threat last week on twitter related to the. It's like we're public servants just like everybody else and just as Christ. It doesn't mean you got a whole pass and so we're really happy. Sounds all of these questions. There isn't however as some people are suggesting some sort of strange conspiracy theory going on an Isa. The surface of this back to your question is when was the first? What's up group? It was the day before days before the bank holiday weekend and people who are currently in both are lodging people who we knew who we could pick up the phone and say. Hey We accomplished mad idea you know wanted to give up your Easter holiday and work on it to help your colleagues. We did do a bit of work to match schools and school troughs and teachers with areas of the curriculum where we thought they had particular strengths. And you know we look to some schools performance in those areas to check that we had a good match. The curriculum largely divided up into his face. Subject combinations so a school or school trust is taken on all of the content for a particular subject with a particular phase. One of the things that wanted to make sure why that's important. We wanted to make sure that the curriculum at least within a subject was here. It's right there was a really good sequence. Rick it just meet our curriculum as a whole is again slightly more second user. They slightly behind fifty-seven hasn't been created by one school. It's been crazy by group of schools and we do have people in the group who take different viewpoints on some of the purposes of education that full of inferences and decisions would making your curriculum but it was. It was largely a group of tease some matching. We thought that matching made lots of sense. And you're what's really exciting since then since we've got a whole lot of offers from other people who would love to get involved with talking to us and those people at the moment and we've got some work to do. I think to expand the curriculum in a couple of areas where it's currently a little narrower than we would like riddick type wings from new parties in to make to make expansion from testing we'll dig into MOS areas of late that that's great and what's your role matters principle how what does what does principle of an online. I'm also not entirely sure. We've quite worked executive actions Job Descriptions threes and so a big part of it and obviously on pocus relating to education. That will talk about race. Learn the lessons in the curriculum. And what we're teaching. How teaching all of that is really important. And there's a whole lot of work that goes on behind the scenes to figure out who we are how we talk about ourselves. What language we use. What language we don't use people only find out about this if we communicate really well and really thoughtfully to ever communications team. Kind of UNSUNG success here. This is going to be interesting. Probably beyond the lockdown is the platform that we built to do this by GEICO COM Roberts who said and his team who are incredible developers. Who built this from scratch in that same amount of time that we did the lessons if you speak to big tech companies they spend lots of time and resources on building platforms that they use Because we want to this be open source available to everybody. We didn't think that any off the shelf options. We're going to work for us and working closely with Google. We built this and then finally just like any organization you know. We have an operations team. Who Need to worry about? Hr and finance and legal things. Teachers are using materials and now lessons that we have to get permission from publishers for for example So my job is leading those four different teams and making sure that we're creating the right connections between them so that the the final package that lands with a teacher does all of the different things that it needs to do and that we have an organization. That's robust enough to solve. Stand the test of time as it. Were you know There was no good. Beat a one trick. Pony getting hundred eighty-three lessons out and then not managing to get week to out so and then the joyous pop monies I introduce in the lead our assemblies first of which is coming on Thursday with the Archbishop of Canterbury Slightly Mad. Popeye week fantastic. I interested like throughout this podcast series. That what's really come. Through the challenges that both teaches a facing students are facing and also parents are facing throughout throughout the school closures. I wonder if you've got a sense in these early days about some of that. Some of the best ways that those three groups of people could make use of these resources teachers with students shootings themselves and parents who hey have youngsters at home. How would you any advice tips? On how to get the most out the national academy videos resources. Yeah so I suppose advice from Oslo for me about how to do that but what I can certainly do. Share SOME REFLECTIONS FROM PEOPLE. Who told us how they're using it because one of the things. That's fascinating Harry's like you put these things out into the world and the general public is far more creative and figuring out how to use them than you could ever imagine when you stop. Sign an office trying to cook it up yourself so so so teachers. I think we're probably seeing three things. Three approaches. I've tried to name them so that they easily remember memorable so I saw picnics. So schools are looking at the curriculum ahead. Blending all content with Enron pupils. And then get your timetable for the week which includes some soft Iraqi from the school and then some stuff from us and sometimes essentially of those as well. You know there's a bite size Nasib. Was this Green Bay road. Mix It together into a timetable that works and then sites that picnics. We're seeing a second approach which I'm calling streaming support and so what these schools are doing is they are using all as the backbone of the curriculum if you like methane vacate. You do the math lesson every day. But then they're following up with a combination of one to one or small group support to check for understanding address misconceptions at like set point the week so they have shifted their teaching staff. Time there's also is into the bit that they're those teachers more uniquely placed to do. Which is the last foot between the teacher? And the pupil right. Like what is this kid thinking? Have they have they got it? How can I guess misconception? Rather than them having to worry about doing the recording of lessons or doing lessons live and then his using those at to do that that is replicable. And then focusing all of IRA on the kind of small group or even some cases on addressing misconceptions and the third group is revise and consolidate great. Which is that. These schools already their own curriculum which is fantastic. They using but then they're saying okay and then there's a revision session that you can do for an hour. Fractions he up. Your homework is to do that. So those are the three things that we're hearing from teachers. I'm sure there are always more. We love to hear about them for for families and the the message. I think he's really important again as I said with teachers because teachers are families to a is trying to do at home like you have to just work it out in a way. That's right for you like nobody's going to be able to tell you. This is the exactly what you should do each day. Because there's so many dependents single context that that means that will change the things I think we do know in schools that can be helpful at home We know in schools for example about whole school behavior policies are more effective than classroom by classroom ones. I think you can stretch the evidence if the F. will allow me to say like whole household routines are probably better than that kid by kid or day-by-day routines and so thinking about like the structure of the week drawing out sticking on the fridge by structure. I mean. Yeah. There's some time in math lessons but there's also timing left some weeding to maybe cooking for smacks us is doing those other things. I think the parents like creating structure and doing everything you possibly. I know it's really hard to stick to that structure Earth and you try to motivate pupils using sometimes some extrinsic things rewards and sanctions to make sure that they stick to the structure. The more that Monday to Friday feels like it's got a rhythm to it. I think the easier life at home typically for some families who are in the situation but maybe don't have a garden that they can just put the kids all like today whether it is tweet this morning about basically the biggest challenge for parents today that except I experience of wet play solidarity with parents across the country he would dealing with wet play. Every teacher knows your pain so I think the families it's about trying to create a structure that works for you and don't let anybody tell you what your structure should be like. That's for you to decide but just tried to have one. I think that's probably the top tip to how to build more smoother. That's super good advice ally where we got well. He's fifteen months now. And a fifty year old home Isaac and Yeah. We check the weather forecast every day. We've been dreading. This cloud appeared on the APP. A few days are going to be and so formed. Let's just lease on many coats things on and then just like just brave just say under full moon like the next. I every windy days. Full moons is like the witching hour so brace yourself for that parents have the UK US. We spoke before about Whatever new initiative any kind of new initiative certainly something is big and his public as this comes out. There's always going to be criticism. Difficult questions asked and what I really enjoyed and appreciated was Thomas. His blog. That came out. I think either the day or the day after the national academy went live and in that blogging made four points and I just wondered if we could just go through each of those maps and just kind of get your take on this. I thought they were really interested in and sign of good organization willing to kind of confront. The things that don't work are aren't perfect so the first one. The first point David made was there are mainstream. Curriculum isn't broad enough. Can you just talk to me a little bit about that Matt and maybe some of the things that you put in place to address that show and David? Right here he he. He's brilliant and is the driving force behind all of that work. That teachers are able to use day in day out You know we we think of ourselves like a school and we all believe in API good-quality acres and balanced curriculum. And if we were a school the curriculum that we currently have on author like would not be acceptable. We wouldn't we wouldn't expect. There are some subjects that really important currently missing at different stages. We we did our best to make it as borders possible under the second center is but we want to do. We want to do better. And we've got a plan in place now to start to fill some of those gaps over the next couple of weeks. We know that it's frustrating for teachers of subjects. That are not mass for example. I missed the Boston economist by by training right People just call those applied mass. Which is unfair from one of subjects. That doesn't get the high profile that gets lessons taken off in the curriculum and I appreciate all those people out there who teach subjects. It's frustrating when they see this object isn't included I. There was no conspiracy theory behind that we just we just couldn't offer all of the things only Mongo and we try to prioritize with where we have the resources immediately available. There are few things that we try to consider when adding in these new subjects. So what is this again with all curriculum is this breadth versus depth point? We did quality of work to think. About how many hours a day we thought primary school pupils in sexual people's could reasonably cover and that amount of time is less than they would in a normal school week when they were in school. And we want to be really careful about saying the expectation is five or six hours a day for second. Excuse me secondary school people's like that all the evidence that we have from the schools and school trustee workmates estimates too much. So I'm every time we add a subject at the moment that means there is a lesson taken from another subject and we've just gotta get balance right and the second thing and this applies sometimes more some of the most practical creative subjects. We want to think really hard to make sure all of our lessons really inclusive we call a scene that you've got materials or instruments all of the things at home and what's been great about those subjects. They've all come back with really creative ways of getting around that we've managed it with art. All of Allison's basically required to have a pencil and piece of paper last week and we send children off outside on my daily. Walk TO PICK UP. Bits of leaves and stones and make southport traits which is amazing but we just have to think Kathleen as well about making sure. Everything is accessible to everybody. It's really really fall into the trap of the sheeting that everybody can participate in that lesson and it would be awful if a people home not able to participate because they don't have some of the resources available so we've got to think really hard about that but we're hoping to particularly expand what we're doing in year ten toward GTC options. There's a couple of subjects kaycee she'll Yankee. Sage to sage one and say we try to expand that offer. You come across anything that you just think isn't going to work. It's all muscle. I'm thinking like design in tech or whatever it's called our not GonNa let not what we we have pitched that challenge straight back at the design tech teachers who. I'm sure come back with something that works classic problem of like lack of domain specific knowledge in my head. You know you need a sword fish eggs and they're gonNA come back and tell me I'm not saying that's not what design tax about and you definitely do some really good quality design work without needing those resources. You are going to be in so much trouble of design technology online lobby. Who are very well organized. I didn't even know how well organized this thing. So credit to them for advocating for their subjects. That point about my school was doing this like where the kids we do. Have in school every day spending time making personal protective equipment. Which is Kurt? You being shipped to my mom who runs a care home so I can understand why it was not a very disrespectful subject and King to work to expand offering fantastic fantastic and the second of David's points is there our specialist curriculum. Isn't open running yet. So tell us a bit about Matt's yes there are. There are two things here. The first is that we don't have good enough access to the existing curriculum for those with additional needs. So for example. We're on track at the moment to have lessened either. Signed or subtitled sport or pupils who've by hearing attachments are brand annoyingly. Has this line green color in it which doesn't pass the necessary tests to be inclusive of peoples who are visually payments. So we're going to change some features on our brand to make the Colo's work those right so there's something about access and inclusion into the main stream curriculum. It's available. There is also any for us and again we're working on getting resources available for teachers whose pupils I From specialists setting so that's a broad range of different types of especially if things so special schools people unit will tend to envision the for variety different types of special schools. And we have a crack team of incredible. Md inclusion specialist Pressures who are working with us to improve the work that we do in that space but again will teaches. We care a lot about making sure that people is included. I'm we don't do anything to exacerbate existing gaps that exist and that means we needed to do more work in space and its top list. Got Fantastic and this fascinates me this mount so this is Aku was maybe the tenth one of these teaching from home and in episode that I've done now on one thing that's really come through from from most of the gases that that would of wellbeing is is really kind of topping their less even above kind of teaching the subject in and getting the stints knowledgeable and so on teaches spoke about how that missing the daily interactions with students. And they're trying to find novel ways to get round this either using the chat function on teams or zoom and so on and so forth and so the third of points is that we don't have anything on wellbeing and just just tell us a bit about that Martin. Is that challenge? That is right for you to take on. And and if so how can you do it? And so yeah. We are firmly of the belief you know as I said why the star relation to teach trading that Y- we can't replicate the school and that was just so much more richness to a school environment than we're able to provide by putting some resources of wonderful in this is helpful on it is and not able to directly replicate. Some of US thinks that you would get in a normal school day. We are trying to do a couple of things. So this is all emit space a best endeavors so as I mentioned earlier. We're putting assembly on each week. Which has a speaker who is going to talk about some of the things going on at the moment and how to deal with those and said they were kind off to the first one of those coming this week Trying to create a bit of a moment. The Nation's People's are coming together and watching assembly together. Your I think he's a small contribution. The thing that we're looking at is whether we can bring together. Probably a pilot version since small group of organizations already provide could of extra curricula was all says. Show have an offer. Outside of the core curriculum that is about keeping people active and busy and doing interesting things. Be Dot cocaine or some activities that you might be able to do in our tools creative thinking about democracy. Some of the British values related a things that schools do. And whether we can offer those alongside our curriculum textile pack out some of those other bits. I spoke by earlier in the structure of the day. I'm not your your qualcomm. So we're going to try and make a contribution. We called replicate that schools and teachers are far better place and fall closer to. I know that people were going to be able to got it from tastic and the final one of David's point. I thought was interesting as well. He says simply this isn't going to change the world. All David would watch on them and I think it really speaks to this point about we call replicate at school we we. I suppose would normally consider ourselves towards the more skeptical and Ed Tech Spectrum and then if found ourselves in the position where but doing some kind of Ed tech which is there is there is an irony there but I. I think he's making things really making the point that we can't schools and the second one is what we really need to do. What the whole blog responsive so. They're trying to manage expectations here. This is a group of volunteers. I there's nobody on our leadership team who doing this full time. Everybody has another job or something else I need to do. And trying to get run this organization and keep fighting. The resources is. We are lodged powered by volunteers. There's lots we want to do lots we haven't been able to do and what we're not saying here is this is going to come. In like David had changed the world NATO contribution and those who wanted to need it and try to remain US Open and humble to feedback as possible lost of pleading for generosity while whilst we whilst the improvements that we know needs to be made superb and. Is there anything else you dot as a challenge? If you were right in David's blog again would you point five or point six? They're any other challenges that you've come across in these this week and a better vote national going live. And so I like getting into the really Nitty Gritty Dole. When it comes to challenges right like I could say. Oh yeah you know about figuring out the high level curriculum sequence seems reported in adult straightforward? But the thing that's really hard in this. I just harden anticipated off. I just had anticipated is running the lesson. Production Process Really Dole. It definitely is so just all of the things that need to happen. In order every week to get from teacher has decided that this week is about the Shang Dynasty Through to like pupil has a great experience of learning about the shine. Did estate the hardest thing inside the organization movements as organizing ourselves into a into a production. Line that lake shore the all of those different bits of the process are dawn in all of the orders to deliver them at the right time so that lessons online and the first week we finished that process at four thirty. Am on Sunday boarding before the live at six. Am This Week. Volunteers working through this Sunday night. Not The dream this. We beat that time by laughing hours so we got eleven hours quicker. We were about half full five o'clock on Sunday evening. We're trying to bring it would again close to play. Friday is the is the is the target that was just so many things to consider so many things that can go wrong in that process. And I think it's it's really brought home to me. How how incredible. Some of the schools who have managed to do this by themselves are and how hard they have worked on this because we have got A. We've got a really good team who working radio. And it's difficult and that idea and expectation that every school in the country all twenty three thousand of them including some from my neck of the woods. Allied tiny rural primary school. Yes to teachers and forty kids. The idea can build this thing in two weeks. Do that over the holidays. I just hats off to all the have and honestly please please please. Don't try if you have to use things. Already out mad because. As Really Hawks. And we're we're getting better at it. We've got professional development process in place so that we improve each week but it's difficult just shining light on the detail of that process. I think we'll we'll give people a real insight into how hard that nuts and bolts processes. Absolutely absolutely always say days most so we're recording this on on Tuesday and and I think if I'm right we national economy went live that the previous Mundi only Kinda Day. Won't they seven of of beat open open for business on what you've learned from there either? The response or the usage of teaches to the resources. Yes so seven. Days of lessons went out now day. Seven is mentioned. Elliot's we've got about a million people doing about two point eight million lessons the moment. It's still really early eighties so most of the back so far is being about snacks. Votes and things that we can fix that particular feature ought to do go for that allows you to click on and off of Sharon could essentially control that button. That would be to rouveen right now. That's more than anything else. I want central control over the SHAG. Google form button. I'm so with only minor. I'm quite cautious about so inferring. Too much stage. I think a lot of schools. Look at it last week. And then maybe censor out to their peoples this week so that things might start to shift and change and few interesting things that we do know for. Example about fifty percent of people are accessing on a laptop desktop forty percent doing on a mobile device in about ten percent on a tablet. That's really interesting. And it gives us a sense of how people are accessing me. Who's also hope I don't if we knew that before. Maybe of two point eight million lessons forty then with mobile phone and is quite significant. I think we know that we're mainly in England. The vast vast majority of listen to take place in England that we've got pretty good coverage across the other nations as well and indeed seven hundred ninety or the cities and regions all over the world after England Ireland Scotland Wales the next five biggest cities or regions all in China to. That's interesting but we mentioned we've got a PD PROTESTS. Which is being led by chuckled? Josh Goodrich from OAC's and Steve Foggin from Ambition Institute. And if there are things that we can do better the answer snacks and bug spray about the curriculum and pedagogy. We'd love to hear them because when when making sure the teachers get some PD every week so that we can keep improving. What is that? We're doing and thoughts and feedback on ideas for might look like a very well and again bearing in mind that it that it is early days. I wonder what what changes have. You made 'em already am. I am what changes are in the pipeline. Can you give us a sneak preview of anything? That's coming up aside from the kind of extra subjects that you mentioned earlier. Yeah I'm so as what changed you've already made so they've largely been about again access so another insight into this is all well the vegetation technology you write the code bill website all the platforms probably more accurately is but then you have to test it and six problems for every device and every operating system combination so it works fine on everything apart from an iphone six ways. Ios Four point whatever and you need to write code that makes sure that it works bats device so lots of our work is just about like this device combination. You get to like ninety. Eight percents devices takes two hours to improvement for one devices. I six people who can't get on android whatever whatever whatever to fix it for them so most of the improvements being about about that a couple of come on line. As I mentioned earlier you can. Now share directly into your. I'm Google classroom schoolhouse classroom. You can just go until I said the top right corner. That's a whole lot of shad buttons. Take the Google classroom. One eight will pay into your own blue classroom. And then you're people's can access it through that while hoping to the same with teams Where a whole range of different things that teachers are asking for making things? Downloadable is one of them. We're not able to do that at the moment. And we'd love to be able to do things with the user experience showed that the Latins blow three more smoothly than they previously during a mentioned getting signing subtitles I mentioned the wider curricular stuff that. We're hoping to do squat long list. We just we just have to be careful and prioritize but yeah that that I think the main things that are coming down the track at the moment fantastic and again the usual disclaimer. That early days I will will own national. Always be around. Will it be around once? Won't schools go back? Will these these resources be available? Because we've already spoke about the power of them both students and also teaches in terms of improving their own practices. This something for the long-term Matal will it? Will it kind of closed doors on schools? Go Back Yeah we. We've just not had targeted lift your head up long enough to think too much about that. Beyond of snaps conversations hair about about to use we definitely need to have those conversations and figure out what works but our commitment is to keep going until old people's back at school and five looks at things. I'm sure he'll keeping an eye on this as much as everybody else is. Seems likely to me that they'll be some sort of staggered return in some way shape or Particularly if you try to social distance I just don't know how that's possible and so a world in which people's even if some of them not all of them are still homeless a world in which is also useful in the and and we'll keep producing them. I longer thoughts that case. Fantastic final two questions for you just some reflections and do you think distance Ticino remote learning will lead to any improvements in actual classroom teaching and Mentioned one of the already which is the sort of exemplification. Why Goals Victoria richly cycles? I think that's that's the first thing that we are supposed to be thrown off and the second thing I think that is interesting. He is for a great lesson to happen with the normal circumstance is pupil and a and a teacher has to be in a room at the same time with really well planned video while executed lesson that. We're all a whole range of reasons. Why that perfect match doesn't happen teacher. Isn't that that well thorough training for day? That's responsibilities people. Isn't that van while behavioral which means that not in the classroom. Weather's supposed to be in a situation where you don't get that match your the setting of work by the teacher for the people like isn't a straightforward process. We've all been really. Wow woken up in the morning and needed to set for our classes for the day and we have all had a kid who as for whatever reason not in school and needed to create work to send home or send to the learning. Take please every whatever you WANNA call it. I think there is scope for the Bank of what we've created again not just outward ingredient under those agreeing choice oriented others and I think that scope for this sort of resource helping in not situation where you don't get good teachers and people match if your way and you've got in the and you're doing lesson on expanding brackets A. That's a lesson on expanding brackets which is freely available for you and you just need to make sure that the people who supervise do the less I mean. Subject Match. Field supply teachers. I mean you're doing something better than we're doing. She got none subject specialists in class. Rabe who can make the most of our with those thirty peoples in a way that you won't be really honest with ourselves I. It's really difficult at the moment. Wow that is massive. Thighs absolutely must have a law back from task. Final question for you. And what have you personally learned from the experience of WLAC bound or school closures show? I learned two things and I I think is this is a great reminder of how resilient a nibble schools off compared with lots of bits of the public sector as I said earlier part. My job is with central government policy and not surprised by this. I of no but it's been really really great. Reminder schools are able to respond to you and roll with things at an extraordinary pace which has justly privileged watching C. schools. Hey you know setup free voucher systems way before because the position to be able to do that actually really annoyed now. They've got the government system not on the they've created. You know I've got I've resources online. Who found ways of keeping in touch with all of that blue people's I just incredible resilience and nimble their Straw school system that I think has really come to the fore and should be celebrated school focused walk and my knee focused one On this stuff taps McRae. Who's been on your podcast before he and I like our miss quite the law and so we we love half king all routine so we will thinking really carefully about how we structure our day and like playing around with different bits of the day to see if you can be productive here like being happier. Hair Nag. Got a bit more free time. What happens if you gather this time and mix it with this combination of activities in the morning this combination activities in the afternoon like? How'd you do that? It's really sad. We talk about it. Way To push one of the basic things about lockdown. Is You basically get control? The environment there are far fewer variables to knock you off your routine with them so you get like a good clear week of testing out. Different variables times eating times. What you can we all of those sorts of things so I have made some. I'm excited to talk to him. Next I am. I've made some really good improvements. T my hacking my daily routine. And I'm I'm thrilled with them and the saddest thing you've probably never heard well it isn't it isn't no not not for me anyway. You've got to give us an example. There was one hockey made to be paying off so one thing I think is really important is doing the exact same thing for the first hour of every morning. I if you are trying to have a routine through the week I find if I change at all. Why do the first hour in the day? I almost certainly have a negative knock-on effect of all of the other things that I need to do today. That's been a bit Lewis theory knocking. This just made all the data points being out and seeing if I can You know what happens if I only Thursday. Do something different to a Wednesday and I'm not wholly convinced now so it's my day is going to be successful. We'll have to get up exactly the same time and do exactly the same thing for the first hour. And if I do that the day's GonNa go well. If I don't do that I didn't do it yesterday morning. Not through any randomized plumbing. Just a slight inability to bed quite at the time. When I'd hope to my day yesterday was good. I'm on I'm on form today because the routine was back in place so yeah yeah do the exact same thing every for the first hour every morning if you possibly can. I appreciate that. Make that mortality. So there's a little bonus for me that wow fantastic. Yeah I would love to pull up into into insignia test out Michelle. He's probably not going to fly your morning in quite the way the I i. May I say that with all except the humility is fantastic? Well this is absolutely incredible. Incredible conversation certainly from my perspective anyway because as I say the bill. I'd I'd miss when I was thinking about national academy. Was the the teacher side of things. The fact that the there are some exemplar lessons and again. You're not saying these lessons of perfect. No one signed on these other ways. You have to teach but it's it's so we all know is teachers. Watching lessons is one of the most useful things that you can do to improve your practice and as teachers get very limited time to do that to watch actual lessons and here is an unprecedented kind of opportunity. Possibly teachers have got some time to focus on this to watch hundreds of lessons. 'em sequence thought through and then come to their conclusions about them so that is yeah on top of the benefits to students that is that is a massive massive bonus. So thank you to you and all you've done setting this up and on an all your team. It's absolutely fantastic resource. Thank you so much for your time today. Principle of Oak National Academy.

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Running With The Big Dogs - Olympian Steven Benedict [audio]

Leadership and Loyalty

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Running With The Big Dogs - Olympian Steven Benedict [audio]

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Let's strip it down dive righted as alita whether you're CEO someone in the suite sales later leader in any capacity, you know, that could consume to me about winning but in truth into much more. It's about training. It's about mental training. It's about emotional preparation. It's about mindset it's also about pacing and supporting the team that you'll pot of. So how can you possibly balance all these things and win, particularly when the oddest against you? We'll stay tuned because you're about to find out. George Sheahen wrote. Why race the need to be tested, perhaps the need to take risks the chance of being number one. Well, guess today has encountered every reason not to race from abandonment to abuse Fenway deception. Untimely deaths. Drugs and alcohol, Arabian, professional athlete. Stephen Benedict was confronted with more obstacles before the age of twenty eight than the majority of people face in a lifetime. Despite the hardships, Stephen has applied what he learned on the track to remain focused on the finish line. His rules. Full running the race translate until almost every industry every compass every people tell us in every Sunday since his story reminds all all of us as long as you have breaking your lungs. Still wait race to be run. He's featured in fifty national international magazines, such as train ESPN magazine men's fitness men's health and fitness Rx. He's also the author of good morning superstar and fostering success ways. Gentlemen. Please help me. Welcome Olympian speaker. That. Beth into deduction I've gotten quite a long time welcoming good to have you. I appreciate you guys have me. Thank you very much. I'm excited this conversation. It's been quite a journey me. You've been quite a journey this. We're gonna get into all these kinds of things that I want to just stop that. Because whether we admitted on note, we will become what we become as a result of life experiences for some folks that leads down of very dot for others as leverage to what they want and others going to the dog path so far they actually bounce off the rock bottom and use it as springboard to turn life around. You'll life stood out pretty rough. Tell us a little bit about where you'll begin because it's easy to look at you and go Olympia, it must have been a privileged life special schools and lots of all kinds of good stuff. But it wasn't that way. Right. No, not at all. Who was actually the opposite. You know? I feel like I've been on a fight for the first half of my life since day one. I mean, I I went right into at a four months years old. I went directly into foster care, and that was due to on stable mother. And then I was put back in her hands until my brother was born in where two and a half years apart only to be put back into foster care after very short manner time because of severe Beauce that we were. Impacted by her boyfriend and just a lot of instability in we're living in at a hotel rooms, you know. So there was there was nothing there for sale. Important at that point. I was only gosh, I was only three my brother was like. So actually, I was. Yeah. I was three my brother's only newborn. It was only about one one and a half. So you guys I mean, he's a baby you're in. Your mom. Why was she leaving you in a hotel room? Why were you being a beacon of stepdad? You know drug addict. What was yeah. There's a lot of different situations in that sense. There was hall. There was Beauce going on. And this wasn't even our this wasn't even our our birth father. This is a outside gentlemen that was dating her. So over kind of you to say gentlemen this. Yeah. I know I know I just don't like a. No, not at all different triggers. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm trying to keep it clean for lack of lack of at. Yeah. That will that story came back around a little later. You know, where I grew up a little, and he kinda came back into the picture after I was adopted, but you know that. It was a it was a very fast upbringing for me. I like to always say that my childhood or their lack of childhood was very excelled in the sense that I had to be. Tried to be a child, but also have to be had to be a father figure for my brother and be very protective of my brother because he's you know, he didn't know what was going on. So I had to step up in that role. So Neil Christmases in all things were all the only thing important to us at that period of our time was to have a hotbed warm meal. Rupe overhead? So. Yeah. So you will your dotted out from being initially done. You win back to you more than you were out again, I'm assuming you were taking away because lack of care. Yes. Yes. It got really bad at that point. I was hospitalized on for severe Beauce. And then we went back into foster care, and we stayed in foster care bought bounced around up and down the east coast for about six years until we were blessed enough to be adopted by two great individuals at the. As old real time. I was eight my brother was six on your adults together. Yes, we adopted together, which is very rare. Yes. So we were very lucky very lucky to be put into that situation in add them as our parents, and they were good people exceptional exceptionally. 'cause. It is interesting because as you know, my background is is in psychology. And we know the formative years. Very, you know, they are very impressionable. Right. And so you've grown up in this violence of use. Neglect of the union in the country diction of that it would be it's very easy for post into to not even see the contradiction. But to be so ingrained in the in the anger frustration of being brought up in such a horrible situation. And of course, as you said full stout of childhood way before it was natural. Yet, you go to don't you buddies people from the psychological point of view. Do you feel like they in some way gave you childhood back? I don't know the they did in a sense. It was there was a lot of things happening at that point. Obviously was a big transition phase for both of us to to have that understanding of knowing that. Okay. Now, this is a permanent thing is not. We're not going back to where we were this is Astros doubt. No, initially. We didn't trust was way out the door that point or he hope a I didn't trust a dull. So I had a super suit. And this this went on for years, you know, trust lack of trust for women, especially because my mother. You know? So there was a lot of there was a lot of things that had to be worked on internally externally, everything from my brother was very hard. He didn't understand the fact 'cause obviously he was still young. I was taking the brunt of things in absorbing a lot of the hits at that point. So for him. He didn't understand the transition from foster care to a real family. He felt we eat the foster care was are real family. And he he was very he became very belligerent. And he was thrown fits all the time. He thought they were taking us away from our family when in fact, it wasn't and for me, I knew what was happening, but I was always very observant to my surroundings and just watching and being very protective of him. So where he was being very belligerent in very outspoken, and you'll bouncing off the walls all over the place. I was being very calm and very observant. I'm very quiet. I didn't speak for probably about the first two months within my new family. So yeah, they thought something was wrong with me. But I was just always very quiet and very observant in sequential ones. You gotta watch out for just you're really just saying is this really place right around door. Looks good. Buck right reason trust these bosses are Dulce, right? Exactly. I was like well. All right. Well, where's the catch? The goal was coming. What's coming next? So let's just for a little bit. Yeah. How did you wins? The point of trust. Well, I think the point of trust was just the the unsurmountable amount of care and love that they just gave us right off the bat in the not only from them as our parents. But as the family as whole my aunts, my uncles. My my grandparents everybody just came together in new that. We were supposed to be there with them. I mean, we had a huge adoption party. We had family vacations they exposed to so much as far as art education in music and sports all of these entities coming together. Just overwhelmed us with reassurance. That knowing that. Yes. This is where we're supposed to be. This is our plan in this. This is our second chance at life while so assuming that it was in that whole you were exposed to sports. Yes. It was though again, it would be natural to assume the you're into spoils they will wealthy under special schools. The great trainers Eddie became an Olympia, but that's whole shift too. So. Folks history Mia this track didn't come 'til later. But I had say that which which is funny because I don't know really where my Atlantic -bility comes from. Because there's a lot of question marks about my past. So that's the question, Mark. But our first sport, I feel that lay the groundwork for everything I did ten years of judo. So that was my first sport end my brothers. Well, the martial arts really just laid the foundation for what I was Bill to do later on into other sports and judo is still one of my favorite sports. I still go back to it. Whenever I have a chance. But that was the first sport that just kind of opened up the doors opened up there is to yet ability that I did have. And then from there just started everything on the sun from baseball soccer football, gosh, everything, but within that period of time, my mother who we say ruled with the iron fist in Italian. So she had her hands in everything. And she was just kind of guiding us through everything involved in everything. So protective of. Totally opposite of what our life started out with. So you'll birth mother took did not to give your project you at all your don't mother was incredibly maybe a little over protective. Oh, gosh. I mean the stories stories behind her to this day. I have I have girlfriends who say the they remember my mother, and they were like, oh, actually a great woman. She was like, yeah. I remember when we were down at the baseball field and your mother yelled out to us. A way from my boys. You little whore. Welcoming right. Exactly, I was like mom never gonna have a girlfriend like this. Yeah. You will. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Somebody else will die and bad show that too. Yeah. So. So when did you when did you start into the past of track? I guess that's you know, that's why you've excelled in the Libyan. Well, I I gotta say that my first race. And now is just kind of off the board. And just whatever the kid didn't even really think about it was I was in summer camp one year, and they have from all the camps around the state. They do kinda like these little mini Olympics and from each individual camp, they have all these different events, and they take some of the best kids around. And so I was the best in my camp at running. I ran the hundred there in so they took me, and they would take your several little athletes, and then they brought him to this big stadium where all the camps around the world or all the camps around the the state of the time, which New Jersey, and we would all race against each other. That was my first kind of I guess big race, you could say and a poem good gosh. I think I was like maybe. Like nine like nine, you know, and I wound up taking third we had these big big gaudy medals that were given to us, but I still have them. And that was kind of like my first race experienced. Now, I didn't think anything of it at the time. It was just running, you know, just kid- news running just love the sense of competition in the crowd was the cheering and stuff. I didn't think anything of it. That's not but Taoist kinda Mike I experience of running in being able to run fast and people knowing me as being able to run fast. Sort of to tie these things together because again from a psychological point of view grew up with the experience of that. And then having this protective mother and learning that you can actually trust these people, which is wonderful. But at the same time the is. Bound to be latent anger and frustration and the resentment that's been pushed down. Your brother was obviously bouncing off the walls, and he was expressing it. You will be income. But it didn't mean it went away. So what happened to all the old rage that? Instead is a good question. Then that that resurfaced several times. One particular time I can recall now is in high school that was actually two there's there's one specifically that was triggered by one of my teachers in in Catholic school. She had made it so convenient to Kuala out. The fact that, you know, well, you were an accepted your adopted whatever this and that that struck a nerve and kind of just threw me off totally on than my second big actual kind of meltdown. So to say was in high school and that happened in the middle class. There were just a bunch of things happening. I think was myself Moore year in high school, and just as you said that that was that was a huge factor for me as I was always bottling stuff up. I was always absorbing absorbing absorbing repress repress repress because I was like, well, I have to be the strong one year. I have to take all. This and from my way of thinking that men don't express themselves by crying Neil or by letting out their emotions in the public or anything that. So I had a repression I had act tough, and I had to put on that Assad that obviously that all caught up with me and had to go get some counseling, and I had to kind of express these aspects in get rid of them in not give rhythm. But learn from learn how to had use them in a better manner in had who really use my motions to offer a positive instead of breaking me down to this is one of the things that I find people who were of excellence people who are the elite class in what they do. There are certain factors that the of across the board with these these individuals in that striven this, you know, their service, but every. One of them has confronted their own doctors, the ones who are really talk with our game as human beings as well as leaders have confronted. They're all darkness and many of them like yourself managed it. You know, I was a kid who grew up in a in a pretty violent environment. Doc, ghetto publicy all those kinds of things, and I learned to tough tough. No, that's not my nature at all. But I learned to be I even ballooned to look it. And you know, you and I discussed before that I did martial arts and boxing. I would have been a bodybuilder and all those kind of things it looks but intentionally not who I am was pursue facade. I needed and dealing with that shadow dealing with dot doc stuff that rage and all those things, and then it becomes a fire at a passion that you can use. Do you find that? You've now transmuted that into your sport. A have a have especially within this past year. This past year has been a very pivotal year for me as far as I wanna say as far as self transformation and being able to use everything it's been gosh. I mean, I feel like everything is built up to this past year in all things that are happening. Now, I definitely correlated with the things that have happened to me in the past in what true, and it's it's been pretty phenomenon. I'm pretty excited with stuff that's coming up. But the it's I I gotta say I feel like I've I've lived about two times ready. Now you compete in London as occurred. Yes. Yes. Competed in London, you're going to be competing in Tokyo. Tokyo. I'm very excited. You've you've been to London to represent the United States. You're going to Tokyo to to represent Italy current 'cause you have both. Of those. Citizenships? Remove them. You know? When you think about that? I mean, first of all give us a brief look at what it was like to. To step into an Olympic stadium. When the Olympics are on. I mean, I think that you may have even visited won't be fooled. But when you're that to compete, you know, people say it was you know, you have to win for Bullshits like if you can get in Olympia e can even walk around. You know, you know, whether you names eighty the angle over the names Hussein bull who gives a crap you're in Olympia. That's amazing. Right. So tell us a little bit about stepping onto. What were you were you present? Or was something that sort of only hit you later. Gosh. I mean, he so many things going on at that point. Helius so many, especially I think every athlete has their own story of how they've gotten there. And and all the trials and tribulations that they've had to go through in order to get there. You know, it's all it's all those. It's all that work behind the scenes that nobody sees. And and it's almost like you get to a point and just take the breath. Mike, gosh, I made it this far hill. Now. The what I do. I mean, just have fun at that point just have fun at that point. He obviously enjoy that moment because it's it goes so quickly. But getting there was such a long road. So when you competed did you run in one race or more on the at one one race race one race in them, Wanda bucks? One having injury wind up tearing my hamstring and. Yeah. So. How how long were you actually running gosh? Between warm ups and everything they not actually write that the fired the gun, and you run until you until you're taking actions, ten seconds seconds now. So I want everybody grasses because I told to this on of the shows about him about this bullshit idea of the overnight success of the, you know, the, you know. Here's a guy ran for ten seconds in the Olympics. How long would if you were to guess how long were you running Brett for that ten seconds all the preparation all the races, all stretching all the woman's all the other competitions. So that's that's a question. I tell people all the time is at my week usually lasts. It's about twenty hours a week for twenty second race, ROY hill. And it's just build up build up, and that's echoes for four years. Right. And there's it's cumulative. Yeah. Because over time you don't people say to me, oh, you learned all this money for speaking for keynote for an hour. I go. No, I didn't know I spoke for the money for the end for the for the thousands upon thousands of thousands of hours. I've put into practicing and training and developing of learning and and speaking on other stages all those. Let me to that moment when you heard something of making. Oh, God that was all the prep, and I think we live in this this instant gratification world, whether suddenly the Instagram superstar. I mean, who who they even hell even of it Instagram stop five minutes ago. But no, so you don't when you look at it. When you look at people real stars like yourself who have worked so damn hard and continue to work hard. You realize that? To even get to the Olympics. When I mean, how many people are competing to get there. And then you get it was like. Wow. So for me is absolutely amazing. I'm so in ore of the commitment, and the dedication and all those things that so easily look through people's minds when they go. We'll let guy was less. Hello. Did you make you intervene? Worst. Could you into the stadium where the loan in this in the seats on the drink? I don't think so right. Exactly. It's a fabulous piece because I wanted to just terp into that in the context of leadership. I know that you're speaking. And you're speaking different groups of leaders and entrepreneurs such tell us this correlation because I say this coalition very much in what I just seven. I'd look to go point on that. Yeah. Without a doubt. I you. You said you said it best is the instant gratification. And I was just sitting down last night with two very very big CEO's in bay loved just kind of sitting across the table from me because they can they can day. See what I do. How it correlates? Exactly what with what they do. And I and I told him that everything everything I do translates to business and. If you don't see that than than, you aren't really looking at the grand picture of things in the in the sense of that are so in business, you have your baseline, you have your base. You have to have a blueprint. You have to have a vision, you have to know where exactly you're headed for whether you're six months projection, twelve months projections in a year projections. Same thing with us when we're on the track our base, our seasons starts I don't start racing until March f that, but I'm training, and I start training in September just to be able to run my faster times in March because I need all of that base work you have to lay the groundwork. And that comes across everything if you don't have the groundwork, you're working on shaky on a shaky foundation. The one of the things you see in the concepts of which I really loved it. I thought was really important is that is so important to recognize that you can't be at one hundred percent all the time. And I think that a lot of us leadership. We were sort of like in a we're always aiming for the next bigger, golden. It's big goal. But that's that's a that's a foolish mentality. Right. Without a doubt without a doubt. And I I've had to learn that the hard way as well. You we want things and we have huge goal set ahead. But we don't know all the things that are gonna come before that could that could throw off distraction wise and everything else. So my mentality especially this year. In specially preparing for this last Olympic Games for myself is just stacking up as many wins as I can. And that means just going into every session and breaking down new barriers every session. If I if I drop my times from the session before the week before that's a win for me, the more I stack up those winds the more progress, I'm gonna see in the more motivation in the more momentum building up behind that. I think that's what people get lost in. The fact is that they don't see the little wins. And the little ones are will get gang up in the end they build up to the bigwigs. But, you know, in the context of that, though, you know, as somebody who's also athle- you'll level, of course. But. You know, a I can remember what I studied buddy building. And I trained for was one point where during four hours a day, and I trained seven days a week. And I couldn't understand why I was getting smaller. Because my buddy didn't have time to recover. And I was you know, that was a big guy, but I do have time to recover. And I think this is a great analogy for for you and your doing the Olympics Olympic training is you can't go seven days a will weak foots hilts. Now, that's not going to work. And I think that we Trent tend to try and do that in leadership. So what do you say to a leader is going to get some the next big goal is just to get an expert. Go up you say to them about that well on sex too. I just I just had that conversation the night as well. And I compare so I compare ourselves when we compare ourselves to let's say like exotic cars Fridays, and all and and you know, you have Lamborghinis and all of those cars, you cannot push these cars out of the blocks a hundred and fifty miles an hour everyday. The transmission is gonna blow. Now, it's the same thing with us. If we're not getting in our nutrition on a daily basis, we're not doing all of our maintenance work on the back end. Our coverage spects where we need to have our massage therapies, we have our ice baths. We have our magnesium bad. So with IB I've e- aspects in I take a little bit of a a broader approach specially now with all of the things that I put on my platform as far as mentally physically spiritually all of those things I'm doing brain training aspects with peak brain that they handle electrodes to help me to focus on things. Even when a mentally strong out a helps me to maintain and build up that muscle just as well as I'm building up, my body muscles, as well, so recovery huge, you need to know when the back off the gas if any need to you need to know, your body, very well, and that that goes with businesses. Well, you know, you get burnt out just as well as young you have your nervous system burnt out Neo you're mentally fatigued. So you're gonna go in there and either perform at eighty two hundred. Percent or perform s thirty to fifty percent. And it's gonna be significant and through him. So you just have to weigh out. What's most important to that point? And you have to look at the bigger picture, if if you have a little event coming up on and you don't do as well, or if you have little event, and you really don't feel like it's gonna be a factor for you to contribute to that big event than Axat. You're not losing anything. You're not gonna you're not losing any time. Everybody's so worried about time. Look the thing. Everybody's bills in every all this other shit that's going on. It's not going anywhere. But if you're not maintaining your health on a daily basis, you're gonna go somewhere very quickly. No, not at all. So so it's interesting because. Going to that from it. Let's go to that. Because down tone in your career your Olympia, you have yet you tell a hamstring. Yeah. I imagine like getting much Nolan PM. Are you imagine the some people would say, you know, I made it at Olympia. Sure a hamstring. But I'm out now on I can ride that I can go, right? My book. I can I can go on the toll shows. I can go on the podcast. I can you know, whatever it is. Why did you decide not us not not done? And what's more is? You know, 'cause the next Olympics was Brazil, you didn't go to Brazil, and you're gonna go get to go to Tokyo seeded London. And you say years would be to go, you know, at any time tell us why you didn't take that as defeats. And why you decided to move forward because I'm guessing this lead us on here who have been at the top gutter CEO position held a CEO position lost it for whatever reason seven probably less in, you know, in a couple of months of a couple years, some shit happened told him down, you know, the mentally emotionally even financially or. Hamstring and they were out of the race. Why should they come back? I think that's that the personal question. And I think that's comeback. Well, exactly, my drive everything came within the past year came really was like I came back from Italy. I was competing over there and things were kinda excelling very well for me there. And when I came back, I just really had kind of. I guess I had this moment you can say, and I wanted to do something that was bigger than I was. Yes, I was in late. I've been in athlete all my life. But there's athletes walking around all the time, and they're steers athletes that are just doing athlete things absorb. I got to the point where I was like we'll have I use the things that I have developed so much to make a bigger embroider impact. And that's when the fostering success brand came alive for me and. And bringing that to light and that became my passion. But behind that was really the key piece. I was doing some I was doing some back research at the time in trying to get some questions answered about my past in, parents wise and things m my biggest fuel right now is how do I honor? My parents the best way possible. In the way that they've honored in the way, they impacted my life. My mother was very big influence in my life in just to kind of like you'll highlight that before I was before I was thirty four. I lost two sets of parents in not many people can say that I lost my birth. Parents. And I lost my adopted parents to extreme situations. My mother both my both my mother's on bolts deal. They lost to cancer. My father I lost to a reversible. Coma. He got thrown from golf car in his head in all right places that cost all these injuries. So those that period of time was. Showed me how delicate lifeless in and the but also in that short period of time. I if I really look at my life. I only had parents for ten years at of all years. So, but I can't look at it in the sense that I was gypped. I look at it in the sense that in those ten years I've gotten so much value from them and so much impact from them that have no choice, but to do something bigger in order to use that I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and be sorry for myself and say gosh, you know, it's not fair. Whatever said, yeah. It's not fair. But you know, what what's fair life isn't fair. You know, there's nothing fair. And so now, I'm at the point with that has become the focal. And this is my last Olympics planned to do some really really big things in health in the best health might might might career. I have some of the best coaches around me, I've great training partners. And I'm excelling so quickly that I can't. I feel like I've been reborn into the sport right now. And I can't I haven't even seen the track yet. And I've been training for two months. This all the outside stuff that we're doing all park runs all our drills fine tuning all of those little things. So when the time comes I don't have to think about anything, I'm just running hosted. So so so it seems like you failed your fire again. Yes. And that is also spawn as you talked about of fostering success tell us a little bit of string success because also came on of your books. So what about will that came about? When I as I said, I came back from Italy. But I really wanted to do a project that was entities up who I am. But it's not about me. So I took the elite athletes side of him. And also, the fostering foster kids side of lamb have married those two together. And I've brought together a thirty page documentary book where I'm bringing in fifteen female elite athletes celebrities in fifteen male elite athletes celebrities in I'm they're shooting alongside foster kids. And I'm documenting each everyone of their days together, some short questions with that what the book is mostly about the essence of the pictures in what they're what they're getting from those pictures and seeing how the interactions of those two worlds that have impacted my life, but now are impacting these other kids lives, and and really giving these kids outlet at such an early age to be around professional athletes, and they get those connections where they keep those connections because athletes love interacting with these kids because they feel like they're giving back in their developing that that that charity arm that they need. And the kids see it as an outlet for them. Is that hey, I can do this mail. They're just regular people like me on need to do is be around the right people put put in the work that I need to put in early bugs. Also, really cool sort of ask you a tough question. I think appropriate question because I think the people go through stuff. So the example might be Amazon. Yeah. You know, I'm in opposing says, I'm in a small business. Retail an Amazon. Is killing the industry. And they're asking you for some guidance in. How do you keep going and the analogy I'll give you is. This is why the hell would anybody whether racing. Nobody's gonna beat Hussein bolt. So I guess it would be easy for an athlete to go, you know, a wing tilles dead. And then I'll Capri just, you know, he seems like he seems like he's unbeatable. So why would somebody get into the race knowing the, you know, even at a business level, you competing with Amazon. Right. So Hussein is is the Amazon comparatively speaking towards a little bit about that. Well, I think first foremost that that comes down to your core values, you know, your core values of yourself. If you if you already counting yourself out before you even step to aligning glossed ROY now that that's first and foremost, and a lot of people do that a lot of people do that. Self sabotage. Secondly, in my sport, we run in lanes just as in business you need to stay in your lane. Now, you don't worry about the person next to you can't worry about the person on the inside of you. Because we start doing that what you're gonna do is start running their race instead of running year race, and then your whole business models thrown out the window because you start picking up entities of what they're doing, and you lose sight of your own core values, and then that business becomes an exact cookie cutter of something else that you didn't want it to be, you know. So I think I think those are very key aspects to developing a business that emulates who you are what you wanted to represent. And then ultimately, yes, there's going to be it's going to change and it's going to change because everything's evolving around us technology and everything so you do have to try to stay ahead of the curve. But as long as you're staying within those core Val. That business is gonna stay true to what you want it to be. So I think that's very important in the whole aspect of ill. You have people at Saint from CEO to that trickles down to their employees. Everybody's hired for specific reason because of their special qualities when people start to crossover and start to think that they know more than this person or they know more than that person. That's when the friction starts to happen. And that's what I mean by people aren't staying in their lanes. People would stay in their lane. Do what they're good at everything would be so much more fluid. Everything would run so much better. And you'd have less problems, and you you'd be more productive. A couple of minutes. I guess it just gets. Yeah. That's her that is. Whereas was just nicking. Right. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. So you know, we've all been on this journey cold success. And that is not a path from a to b it's always a bit of a wickedly bath, something you did for a long time that you felt was probably time. But you know, looking back you realize it was actually blocking you from success. I think my biggest aspect is that. That I have so many things that I wanna do. And I have so many things on my plate. But I can't do everything now. And and I still do the right now, stabilize exactly, and I and I had a tendency to spread myself Inver a lot. Oh, and I was like gosh, why isn't this taking for wise that taking off worth Nieto? I wanted to start a kind of a training platform that was called empowering movement. And then it really wasn't doing anything. And I wasn't doing anything with it. And I just wasn't passionate about it. I just didn't have that. I was like gosh. What like I just felt like I was doing what everybody else was doing. And it wasn't about an it. Really? Didn't it didn't have that. That of who. I'm it. Didn't it didn't light me up when I thought about ROY. And so so I was just dabbling in a bunch of things. And it was just like gosh. What like I'm not. Doing anything? Now, this fostering success project that I'm doing I feel was a plan of a level up from that empowering movement project in in this every time I speak about in every time I speak about it to somebody else. Everybody loves it. And they love all the aspects because several entities to it. So I feel like I've had a go through those those growing pains, and I'm still going through them in and I love learning from CEO's, and I love learning from other businessmen because they love to day love to hear my aspect. This an athlete in how I translate that to business and then work ethic in that. And that due-diligence productivity in that, you know, that that that flow that I tried to bring off the track into my business life, but I always have to be as an athlete, and I think also that translates very well to a CEO you have to be cultural. Absolutely. And if you're not willing to be coach -able, you're dead. Oh, a you. You're gonna get shot down. And it's like them. What are you doing? You know, like you have to be an open book and go into every situation in the sense that like, you know, it doesn't matter if you're only Robbins or any of them. I'm sure these these guys love to go into them like I'm empty empty page. Just tell me every I everything you want absoulutely fully agree. The oversleep fostering successes of big big thing for you to wait for you to give back urban. But it'll, but I wonder what you see the we the viewers and the listeners of myself won't come. We post do in order to make a greater impact within our own communities from you'll point of view. How can we best commute you contribute? Well, I think that without a doubt. It definitely starts with our kids our kids in this in this day in age are a little lost their little loss. They don't have a lot of guidance. They don't have a lot of mentors. They don't have a lot of people to look up to. There's I have this conversation with, you know, it's one of the smartest people that I know in she handles all of my blood work. She ends. She's Yoshi handles all of the intricate stuff that makes me fire make my body move. And she asked me she asked me if I had a child in what my son was growing up. And there was one person that I needed to put in the forefront that he could really looked up to as a mentor look up to as Neil somebody that I would like to mould him after who would it be? I had I was Tony blink totally link. I wouldn't. Like, a yo. And that's a problem at the problem. Now, it's a state the state of a leadership today. Yes. Without a doubt without a doubt in end. So I think that's what I'm trying to do myself. And I think everybody has some type of leadership skills in everybody has something they can offer somebody else that somebody else needs. And that's that's the that's the beauty part of what we do. And how we bring color to the world because we're all unique. We're not we're not we're not gingerbread. We're not Christmas gingerbread cookies. L? We're not being cut out of the oven. And we're not all the same. So like on this podcast with you. Because you've done plenty, you know, as far as CEO speaking aspect. That's what attracted me to you. An an all of the other people you've had on your podcast, I wanna be within that niche of people. So I think if we find our niche in we find those groups as groups we can do more than as individuals, and that's where our firepower can come from absoulutely, you know. Joe tiller student wouldn't brings you joy. But actually brings you joy. I think the happiness because there's something deeper than that. Right rice, cakes -actly, my joy aspect. I know now is seeing the reaction from people that feel. That they're going through something that is unsurmountable impossible to get over. And I'm able to help them in the sense of being able to relate to them in the biggest way possible with my story, but not not coming fourth in as a sense of my stories more important than your story because it's not at all. It's just how use it as a catalyst. Instead of a crutch, and I just I just love being able to watch people light up in the sense of shit. I can do this. You know, it's it's not it's not as bad as I think I am. And that's a huge aspect. I think I think we lose sight of contrast for life, and he'll you know, we we think we have it so bad here in L Bush L if you have food or if your food in your fridge, you have a roof over your head, and you have a bed to sleep in at night. Gosh you. A lot more than a lot of other people have. Yeah. I mean. I will individual in the world. I have traveled and spent time in many different countries. I'm one of the things I always say to people as listen I've been in. I've been in the toilet. I've been in Jumba. But one of the things is remember the problems of probably first world problems. They really are. And you know, I saw some very interested international leadership in international politics. And I see photographs of children in Yemen. You know who innocent children being bombed by drones. And I'm like, you know, this is insane in in in the modern world, it's insane. And at the same time also being aware that I live in the the safest time in history. Right, right. So it's really important that we get that clarity that these of I will problems. We've got a we've got a step into recognize and how blessed we all right? So you don't you're a high level individually. You know, you're going to be Olympia again. What's guilty pleasure? In what sense food wise? Guilty was here, man. He no he rated. So you can say whatever you want. Invert explicit, then you know, guilty pleasures. Let's see. You would think you would think that I have the cleanest die in the world. But it's far from it. It's from it. And I've been blessed in that sense. But it also has to do with the training training, so many hours, but Ila, I do I do love my Dula, my wine alike. I'm a big fan of short truce. I love drinking searchers. The oh end. But it's all moderation. I know that my I know that my trigger. It's I'm very I'm very left the rights on very stream. So either I'm all in our mall out. So if I if I get a couple of drinks, and I go out like, oh, yeah. You know, I only way right now one hundred eighty pounds. But if I go out for a party or birthday or something like that? I've had a tendency to drink like a three hundred pound lineman. But he had that that's got me in trouble a couple times. But you know. I just love enjoying life right now. I love going out to dinner is a love joint food. I've done all back living on the east coast. I've gosh, I've been through every club since I was like sixteen you know. And I've gotten that all out of my system, I've been through my darkest times right now might guilty pleasures just doing as many new things as possible and experience as much as I can from gush skydiving and doing just doing a bunch of things just need to enjoy the second half of my life is really I feel like I'm starting to live my life. Now have been through all the bullshit. I've gotten through all the shit that probably people are still waiting to go through. I feel like I've excelled in that sense overachiever in getting the bullshit Adami. I don't know that this is reflected off of your life. But the second the food there yet take that even the second quarter over here live. This is the second of your arm about to die. That is true. That is true. That is true. As we come to the end of the show. What would things I would like for you to do? I like my guests who show something based on what you've been talking about. But something that you would like as a as a practical piece of guidance. What is it? You would say two of you as to listens. That would be a solid piece of pressure guys that they could go put an action today, something they could go do Sunni within the next few days, maybe five at the most that would really allow them to integrate toward it is you've been showing us. Well, I think there's a couple things wine. Wine is focused on on the little winds throughout the day. And that's what keeps you going. Whatever whatever the case is whether there I'll you get a new client, or, you know, the NFL extra income comes in that day, or you know, it was just a good day. You had a good meeting or whatever the case focus on those little things 'cause those little things we got so much distractions in media around us in all the bad news that we're constantly getting that it's so easy to focus on those things. So if you can focus on the little winds each and every day, then you're starting to build a report yourself, and you're starting to build that winning mentality that motivation that momento on a consistent basis, and that's where you get those trigger points. And that's how you start building. I mean, all these guys that are huge at the top of their game. They started they didn't start out with these big winds start out with little things little winds on a daily basis. And then lastly, without a doubt is stay within the process. Stay within. The process, and I mean by just knowing that even in the toughest times, you know know, that you're in the process in your learning from that process. Even when you don't see proof so stay when in the process when he don't see the proof. Those are where the winners are built. It's those guys wanna bail out before because things get hard. And they can't hack it. And they don't have the fix skin to to take the hits in to you know. We call our skin or I call that that interest Specht armor L, and our armor is gonna take a bunch of hits. And they're gonna get dings, and they're gonna get scratches. Butch armor is never gonna crack if you don't let it crack. Also, it's it's are under armor. We kinda push through it. So. Sustained with the brazos even low. Yeah. That's proof degrade advice saving. This has been an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much. I appreciate you guys so much please, tell view as listeners whether you can find out more about you can find books about the resources that you have. Yeah. You can find me all over social media. You can find me. My Instagram is Steve E S T E V I E Y underscore be. You can farm mystique dot com. Fostering success Instagram page, you can find all about their stuff. Splash pages be up momentarily for fostering success project. You can reach out to any of those handles Twitter, Facebook, I'm very receptive. I answer back I answered back personally because I always liked to build those relationships. I always like to make sure that they know that they're talking to a real person, and I talked to a lot. So that's we can find me any questions all questions are accepted, please give the website again. Steve Stevie b dot com. And also fostering success dot com. That's tom. I think right. So Stevie is spelled differently though. S T V I E Y A Y E Y. Yes. Stevia Badar com. Yeah. 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Ep. 569: Ethics of Commercial and Military Space, Part 1: Private Space Flight

Astronomy Cast

27:26 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 569: Ethics of Commercial and Military Space, Part 1: Private Space Flight

"Astronomy cast episode five sixty nine ethics of commercial and military space part one private spaceflight. Welcome to Astronomy Castro. Weekly facts based journey cosmos. Help you understand not only what we know but how we know what we know. I'm Fraser. Cain publisher of University with me as always Dr Pamela. Gay a senior scientist for the Planetary Science Institute and the Director of Bus Hip Pamela. Hey doing I'm doing well. How are you doing fraser a once again? The weather's just getting better and better. The apocalypse has never looked so. Lovely Garden is getting out of control. Is the chief sentence. It is now in control and we've got to cut it back. There's just too many plants too much grass too much weeds. I got many weeks ahead of me at this point out in the garden. The day of the trip is trying to be upon you exactly every year. More and more people are making their way to space. Some private citizens have already gotten their astronaut wings paying for a trip to space out of their own pocket. What are the ethical implications of this as the cost of spaceflight? Come down so we've got a new series. We're going to do like at least a two part series. Maybe at most two part series home. But this week we're going to talk about private spaceflight and just what are the ethical issues with this? Next week we will talk about military spaceflight. We're GONNA talk about Space Force. Although I think if we got timing a little better we could do. The episode after Space Force COMES OUT THE NEW TV show. Oh Yeah we can pull that off. Can we may thirty first. So let's talk about today. We'll talk about space tourism. The new movie that is planned next week will look at the trade off between commercial space and scientific exploration from the ground. So issues like the iridium satellites and of space resources for economic purposes. And then we'll go to space force. Okay now we've done two episodes about space tourism to fourteen and four fifty one to cover too much ground. But I think the thing that I found very interesting was just the way you had proposed it. Which is let's deal with the commercial and the ethics of this situation and we'll sort of see where that gets US first. Let's just talk about like? How do you define private spaceflight? When the purpose is the economic benefits of the parent company and its shareholders over the advancement of science and exploration causes that benefit mankind rather than stakeholders and. I mean like one version. That could very well be space. Tourism that you've got a space tourism company that is sending people on flights and they're having fun in going to the zero g hotel and enjoying themselves or flying to the moon and printing about on the moon in that low gravity but that is really just a sub set of what private spaceflight could look like so when you think about that larger umbrella. What are some other examples of the kinds of missions? We'd be run privately. Well this is where we start looking at. And this is what triggered this for me Sending people to spaced film adventure movies rather than to do the normal peacekeeping educational and scientific endeavors that take place on the space station even space tourists up until now have pretty much been tasked with. We're going to train you like an astronaut. You're GONNA do education stuff while you're up there too. And Hey we may throw you a bone and give you a little bit of science to do right but right now. Tom Cruise is looking to partner with spacex to partner with NASA and this has been tweeted out by NASA administrator. Jim Breitenstein they're gonNA film a not mission impossible but certainly an impossible mission on the International Space Station. Yeah I can't even imagine how awful difficult that process is going to be. I think I had a chance to interview someone who took the Imax seventy millimeter imax cameras up on the space station and tried to make a documentary. They gable the gave the astronauts. They taught them how to use these cameras than they had to. Fly Up with these cameras and try to shoot what they were doing. While they're up there and then send the footage back down or it was on the space shuttle. Anyway it was tough. Because it's a great big bulky professional camera that shoots an enormous amount of film at this huge aspect ratio. And it's a real challenge and so same thing right. Does he do his own shooting? Do you send up another person. Who's who does can handle camera sound hair makeup fright to the Astros get involved so I just. The details of this are blowing my mind but I think when you when we look at just all of human existence today and we think about all the trips that human beings take the vast majority of them are private right. When you fly in an airplane you know ninety nine point nine nine. Nine percent of the airplane flights are for private purposes. You are on a trip. You are carrying cargo. You are doing this. And then every now and then some would fly the airplane to a hurricane or you know to take some aerial footage of a of a drought. And that's the scientific purposes but the vast majority into. Why wouldn't it be that into the future? This is where it starts to become a how the numbers work out. And what is the ethics of this kind of question and in the frame of reference? I'm using for this is when I was a graduate student at McDonald Observatory. We'd periodically get. Vip's coming through the telescope and no matter what we're observing for science at that moment we had to kind of put it on the back burner and yeah. We'd bang the keys that we needed to keep things more or less going in a timely fashion but we had to pay attention to these guests who might be funders who might potentially help keep our science going one more year with the money. They might give the Observatory. And this okay. We are a not for profit. Enterprise we exist thanks to the generosity of our donors thanks to our competitiveness in peer reviewed science funding opportunities and thanks to our benefit actors in the state government who give us line item budgets. We know that we exist by the grace of all of these different humans and so we have to dance like the dancing monkey when they appear to keep them happy. That is of the job that we are. All aware of and astronauts are fully aware that that is also part of their job. They are all given amounts of media-training they're given massive amounts of here are effective ways to communicate complex ideas how to work a crowd how to be this stem educator. Even though they may be training pilot an engineer a doctor a myriad of other different things geophysicist. But they're all trained to be educators in the role of astronauts and when they're on the International Space Station. They know part of their is going to be on video cons with girl scouts to Judge Science Fair from outer space to do all these different feel-good tasks that remind everyone. Hey we have astronauts so the funding keeps flowing. We know that's part of the job. But that's a few moments a few hours out of your day and what we're looking at here is filming a movie in Outer Space. We don't know how long Tom Cruise and whoever else might be on the International Space Station but what we do know is while they're up there there. It's a twenty four hour gig in a large way and so now. Instead of being there a stem professionals benefiting mankind inspiring engaging educating their crew on a movie that the movie's primary goal is to have a great storyline and earn a whole lot of profit. And so where is the ethics in having our astronauts instead of engaging people in Wasilla educate them about space having them work crew on a film right and I mean I think I mean that is just the beginning? That's the tip of the ethical iceberg. We have to sort of think about the risks involved. You know it's one thing to for a test pilot. Professional astronaut who has been taking risks all their life who is going to space for the betterment of all humankind to make incredible discoveries that will push stem and science and technology all ahead. And it's another thing for them to take those risks as you say so that they can act as crew on a movie or for them to Babysit some property magnate who is vomiting in their spacesuit The other the of course the other quite a public issue was this private space flight that was purchased by Japanese businessmen to fly around the moon on us. Basics capsule now. I'm not sure how far that mission has stalled scheduled. It's still getting. Yeah but who knows I mean again we live in? Busk time starship. We don't know what it's schedule is. Who knows we whether it'd be on searchable it'll be on a falcon heavy? Who knows what's GONNA fly? Or if they're going to be able to have a capsule as capable of doing it you know you can sort of see. Some benefit like space x will need to make their crew dragon capsule capable of handling someone for a week and a half on a long duration mission. Maybe so you can sort of imagine some benefits and so you get some willing test subject to take that flight but essentially you are looking at this bifurcation of funding into something. That is a distraction from the main purpose and yet it is inevitable as I said airlines. You know it's completely flipped around the other way. Nasa wants to fly some astronauts out to Hawaii for test mission. They hop on a commercial flight and they fly out to Hawaii right and this is where context ethics aren't black and white. There's a whole lot of grey where context determines the right or wrong of a situation grabbing someone squeezing them as hard as you can and hitting them in the back as hard as you can is generally considered to be something you shouldn't do but if someone's choking on an almond that's exactly what you're supposed to do. And so that's an extreme example. But when I look at spacex saying we as a private corporation are going to fund from our private coffers it's now muddier because space x now has artists as part of its time. Line with starship. When they say we're GonNa Fund our private coffers this amazing art project to send under the leadership of this one artist. Who's already well-known a group of people on a journey around the moon as proof of concept for our mission. Everyone kind of goes. Are you going to kill them? Please don't kill them okay. That at least we're all acknowledging it but when a private corporation does that it Kinda falls into the same category as when Red Bull. Has someone jumped from a huge altitude and parachute? It's the same thing as when a movie does special effects that risk the lives of everyone on the set for the sake of getting good seed these are private endeavors that have private insurance. And we're not risking the tax payers dollars the same way but I know Harvard University number of years ago decided they weren't going to allow their campus. Be used shoot movies any longer because it was too much of a distraction to the education of the students and with space craft. It's not just the distractions that you have an issue. It also is when something goes terribly sideways that something tends to be looked at poorly we have seen. This happen with Boeing with their seven. Thirty seven Max. The entire Boeing fleet has seen decreases in orders prior to Kovic coming in post covert. Nothing counts any longer and that is simply due to the risk assessment. Now tied to Boeing Boeing had that goes sideways. What else is going to break with the spatial program? Nasa made the decision not to allow space tourists on the space shuttle. Full Stop and part of that was informed by just how hard it was for everyone to recover from the loss of Christa McAuliffe Yeah because that was a teacher who was not trained as an astronaut since then been astronauts who were form we teachers. She was a teacher who was kind of trained as an astronaut. Not An astronaut. Right right right. I mean back in the Apollo era all of the astronauts are test pilots and then as they moved into shuttle era than they would have the mission specialists who had they didn't necessarily have the same kind of test pilot capability. Not Not every one of them could pilot You know an F. Fifteen but they do have other specializations and as you said. Some do include teacher but a lot of them. They mostly include. Phd In about five different things as well as engineer. It's true and so that is still a professional. That is still someone who is that. They have made the career change from from whatever was they. Were doing before to professional astronaut. With all of the risks that that implies and the understanding of that and all of the You know all of those requirements and so now we're moving to and again. This is the mean. This has already happened. I mean there have been a half dozen people who've already flown to space paid their twenty million dollars flown to the International Space Station floated around people that I really respect as well. Yeah and and there was one vague plan to film a music video in Space Lance Bass tried really hard He. He completed at the age of twenty three all of the U. S. and Russian certifications to be tourist astronaut. He just couldn't raise the final tens of millions of dollars to make it into space to do his reality bit. Yeah so I mean. We're looking at the risks. Do you see this though. As sort of the beginning of an inevitable conversion from a very much a public scientific endeavour to some kind of public private serve crossing where I mean. It happens in so many other other fields. You sort of see this privatization of the International Space Station. Privatization of parts of NASA. Is this where we're going? I don't know and I'm really torn on this part. There is a long history of various movies. Negotiating to film a Navy airplane carriers there have been bases opened up for filming and in every case or has been a very careful. Accounting of what is necessary to keep everyone safe and to make sure that the military doesn't lose funding in the process. You're going to pay your own costs and so that combination of long-term this has been happening since the earliest days of Hollywood gearing up towards today they know how to do it. Space is a slightly different category. But we don't know how different we're at a weird transitionary point you're really fixated on movies. But they've got a new segment. They're adding to the International Space Station. That's probably going to be a commercial operation that you can rent out space on that module and use it for commercial operations. There are racks that are attached on the exterior of the space station. That people can go and get there. It's installed onto the International Space Station. And you can just pay and you can imagine that you send up your specialist your Special Schools. You Work for some company. You're doing protein folding you send one of your biologist up to the International Space Station to watch over the experiment while you carry out your protein folding and then the person comes back down and same thing. Not trained astronaut not a career astronaut. But they need to be there to watch these proteins fold in whatever way is is necessary and again if the space station needs more money more and more of it gets converted over to these commercial aspects and this is where the budgeting of how they do it really matters and Roscosmos and Jackson an all the partners in the International Space Station of put a lot of effort into figuring out. Okay so what does it actually cost to have our scientists on the ISS by which I mean the astronauts trained to scientists and engineers run the experiments and have this as a commercial rnd platform. And they've figured that out so that they can do the commercial. Rnd Without craziness occurring now so far the choices always been. Let's train the astronauts who are actual astronauts to run those experiments unless there happens to be a space tourist that we're just going to decide we trust and they've paid stupid amounts of money company so far have decided that they don't really like the risk assessment of sending their own people into space. Just run a rack of labs and training astronauts as something. That is just how it's been done and here. I think it falls into the category of this is what astronauts are trained to do. This is what they have chosen to risk their life about. They're trying to figure out what research and development can space be used for where it again get's trickier is when you're asking them to risk their lives for something that doesn't fall into that research and development and stem category and. I don't know all the answers here. I'm just GONNA flat out say I don't know all the answers. I simply know where we need to start looking for the questions. We NEED TO START LOOKING. At what actually fits in somebody's job description. I mean if we just assume that spaceflight will continue on the growth curve that it already has that prices will come down that more been more people will go into space as the prices. Come down what gets done in space will change as now. Different businesses are actually accessible to you know can use space and can afford various things in space than can be more more and so it will eventually look like you know two hundred years from now spaceflight will be as regular as airline travel is today and we don't have these ethical questions anymore but what is airline flights done for space and what are airline. Flights have done for for commercial purposes. And Somehow we will get there from here. It's just we will have to face each one of these ethical challenges like they did with air travel in the first place and at a certain point it also comes down to this is going to sound terrible but it comes down to. How do you figure out the pricing of things because if we do the accounting and realize that all these folks at NASA who otherwise would have been spending their time dedicated to reviewing grant proposals to making sure that the pace of science continues on that our missions continue on going up on the hill fighting for funding for this mission or that with Congress? All of these people full-time jobs that are at the administrative level. So they don't have to necessarily account for their hours on this program or that if these humans are instead spending all of their time on the phone to Hollywood that can get lost in the counting but it has an effect the reverberates throughout the entirety of Nafta. Now when our communications people start being asked to start showcasing this commercial private partnership with a space company that is getting funded through NASA. That's like okay so so you're not sharing science promoting space x with your announcement of the arduous mission. Well that's still is advancing. The optimists mission. And Andy Weir's the Martian book came out and when the movie came out there was a lot of NASA engagement in the movie. Making sure the movie was done right and this included training folks like me what the NASA messaging was and here. I started to have trouble with shed. I have to budget the time I spent getting that training against my grant to do citizen science so essentially that movie which I adore was attacks on my grant funding because I had to sit through training on how to communicate the right. Tantalize bright. In your when you think about saving the overall cost of the International Space Station to the International Tax Payer. You know there's there's some we. We bought him arms for that place. You know let's say it's in the hundreds of billions of dollars. How do you justify a twenty million dollar flight to the International Space Station when you know the true costs involved are far greater? WanNa per person basis. It's not you can't make your money back and it's you know it's sort of that again. Is that same idea about the rent out. In an hour of time on the flight deck of one of the United States is super carriers. Like what are those costs per hour? Those they know what they cost per hour at least well. Maybe they do but I do they. I mean if you know if they have to clear off the flight deck and and and have a bunch of top gun scenes filmed with people walking around on the flight deck. Tens of billions of dollars per hour to cost to to keep that flightdeck declare. Maybe they are. Maybe that's what you're saying so it's a very challenging as we make this shift and this is this is a conversation this it's called privatization. It has been argued about wrestled with it as a challenging ethical issue. Every single time it happens how do you turn a public institution into a private institution should you? What is the damage to the public institutions in the long term and yet in many cases technology moves over forward and these things are inevitable and this is where being at a turning point makes everything more difficult in the movie. Top Gun came out when we were. I think late elementary school middle school a million years ago. Same actor involved when the movie top gun came out. The Navy saw a recruitment increase with a decrease in their own having to do promotion like nothing. They could ever have imagined that his continued on. So that movie turned out to be one hack of an amazing recruiting tool. So the question is what is the gamble that NASA is now making with allowing big low to have advertisements to allow Tom? Cruise film new movie to Allow Commercial Engagements. Where you know. The company is sure. Make an out. But what is the return on investment of time for NASA and? I think that you and a lot of your stem colleagues feel this sad nervousness at the lack of interest in stem and going into these fields. And so isn't that inspiring these kinds of activities inspiring for the next generation of scientists and engineers and technology people. So we have no answers today. We don't we just have a series of ethical dilemmas that we will just keep throwing at you until your head explodes but now you now now you know you know and I think we will continue this conversation in other directions next week penalty of some names for us this week. I do as always we here at astronomy cast are here only because if you guys you let us pay our staff a fair wage to produce all of our episodes and keep things going behind the scenes and I can't tell you how grateful we are that you do this so that we don't have to do all of that. We love her humans. Thank you and this week. We'd like to get a special thanks to Matthew Horst Justices felts Duston roff Marco Rossi. 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#1: Inclusive teaching and support strategies (that will not just benefit children with autism, but ALL children!)

Autism Spectrum Teacher

45:32 min | 2 years ago

#1: Inclusive teaching and support strategies (that will not just benefit children with autism, but ALL children!)

"Hello and welcome to the very first episode of the Autism Spectrum Teacher. Pub Costs the release date for this episode is January the seventh two thousand nineteen nineteen so very big happy new year and best wishes to you. My name is Steph reads and I'm a special educational needs coordinator and a school in London Brandin as well as an autism specialist teacher and I provide consultancy outreach training and coaching to different schools and services all to win hearts the knowledge and practice of staff so they can ensure children's individual needs are met and that they have the best opportunities to develop an achieve Steve. I'm so excited to have this opportunity to speak to you so I really appreciate the fact that you're listening. Thank you very much now. You may have found this podcast through my website. Autism spectrum teacher dot com which actually started as a block back in twenty twelve as a way a of sharing with I was learning through my experience of being a teacher for autistic children as well as children with a range of complex needs and and especially to share the really successful teaching purchase or strategies or resources. The really have a big impact on children's owners learning and development and knowing that this information could really potentially help others and this is what I really want to do with this. podcast is is to continue to to Shag good practice and have conversations with autistic individuals with teachers with other educational professionals with parents with service providers. All about different themes related to autism and inclusive practice yes and essentially deepen our understanding of autism on how to provide a really inclusive environment in all schools Anna services that caters towards different needs. Now I can see from visiting different schools and settings things that there is a need for general understanding and practice in meeting a range of complex needs within in our classroom and outside Akash rain. And it's definitely the main driving force in me wanting to provides provides outreach and training and consultancy but there's also lots of research that is showing this including the autism and education in England's twenty seventeen report from the National Society and the All Party Parliamentary group on autism for example less than fifty percent of teachers saying that they're confident in supporting child with autism and only fifty percent of pupils. Saint Teachers understand them so there really is a need for understanding to develop and I really hope to be able to provide a means of sharing that information for for this podcast. Now this first episode today is just going to be me and I'm going to be talking through some tips for teaching and supporting porting autistic children. And if you teach or you don't provide support in any way. I'm sure you're still going to find the information in this episode valuable eligible. I've actually based tips. I'm going to talk about on some of the themes that do regularly come up during outreach visits to schools sorry. I'm hoping that you will find this information really useful now. I'll give you a little bit more background information about me but first of all let's hits hit with begin. Here's your favorite team. Joel Staff. Renamed and a K brilliant before I get in to the teaching and support tips. I just want to give you a little a bit of background information about me. Your host Steph read since my very first interaction with an autistic child whilst I was on a work experience placement whilst at school. I've wanted to learn everything I can about autism. Spend as much time as I could about cystic people and John's I went on to study especially as inclusion studies and Early Childhood Studies as my undergraduate degree and then I've since been teaching in different types of educational setting such as mainstream schools and special schools specialist schools specifically for cystic children as well as a provision and autism provision within a mainstream school so very different settings and I've also had a lot of experience in using different types of research based approaches an intervention. Such as Sir Social Stories teach cocoon attention autism positive behavior support the picture exchange communication system intensive interaction and many any other different types of strategies and interventions. I will go into more detail about these different research based methods in later episodes of the cost cost. I also want you to let me know if there is anything that you would like to be explored in later sides of the podcast. And I'll touch on that at the end end of this episode Maurice Lately. I've been involved in developing and leading an outreach program of support to different schools where The main focus is really building capacity developing knowledge and understanding of staff as well as really ensuring successful provisions Asia and practice is in place. Because let's be honest. Good autism practice is good practice in general so a lot of the things. I'll talk talk about in this. PODCAST episode weren't just be beneficial for children of autism but for a lot of our children now without any further delay here are awesome effective strategies for teaching and supporting autistic children so the first hip is to always think about the sensory Dentsu. We import in the environment. And how this might be having an impact on the children. You're teaching in the classroom. Or how the sensory IMP- Hi might be having an impact on an individual or perhaps in the service you're providing. There is quite often lot of sensory input going going on around us all the time and for example in today's classrooms. You already have a lot of sensory stimuli for example who busy colorful classroom displays lots of resources around the room on tables on shelves quite often in very bright lights lots of different smells. Lots of different sounds from the other children. Perhaps even from electrical requirements and sometimes autistic children can find it difficult to block out different. Sounds or be able to focus on the sounds. A you want them to focus on. Or perhaps they're experiencing those senses just much more sensitively than you or I. Why and we always need to remember that everyone is experiencing the sensory environment the sensory input around them differently and this is especially true significantly true for an individual with autism? Sometimes the impact act can be obvious and what I mean by that is for example. You may see a child covering that is. That's very obvious. They're trying to block out some parts of their auditory input so already that signals to you. Something in the environment is having an impact on them. What can you do about it a child? That's covering the eyes or turning off the lights writes that signaling to you that perhaps the lights are too bright or the paper is too bright can these be adapted did a child that's moving in a particular way. Maybe they're seeking some kind of sensory input. They pulling in things into them. Tightly is is not signaling to you that they they're they're seeking that sensory input is is something you can give to them to provide them with that woulda movement break. Help would some kind of equipment that would give them the depression for example a a weighted blanket or a hug vest. There are lots of different strategies that can hope support the sensory needs of children and I would suggest that you always look at the impact of the sensory environment if a child has become this regulated then perhaps very upset. There may be very angry angry. Something is something frustrated them look at the sensory environment. Look look at what is going on around them has. There is just too much since we import. Is it causing them sensory overload and it's just too much there is what's known as hypersensitivity eight has been very very sensitive to sensory input or that's high pose sensitivity which is under sensitive or perhaps not register sensory input and children can have both sensitivities. They can be oversensitive under sensitive to different sensory input. So it's all about looking. The individual sensory needs providing the right support will help a child to hope a child to regulate and manage that sensory environment around them because if they are very sensitive. It's going to be highly overwhelming. I'm on forget about learning. Forget about forget about teaching. That's not going to. They're not going to be able to focus. Concentrate so always think about about. The sensory environment observed the child observe the environment. What is happening okay? Number two now children with autism will get that diagnosis because they have some differences in the receptive and perhaps apps their expressive language so each individual will have very different communication needs. It could be that one person. doesn't develop any verbal language and has challenges with understanding the language and communication used by others perhaps in other person has very advance expressive language skills and can talk very well and but may experience difficulties with understanding nonverbal communication. All some of the language around them so receptive communication means understanding understanding the communication from other people understanding verbal language non verbal language. Of course us. Everyone is different but what we can do is make sure we choose our language. Our methods of convenience communication why's Lay A. I'll never forget when I was a teaching assistant. Probably my first week of of working with a young boy and and I had said to him come back and what did he do. He walked backwards and from that moment I said to myself love. I need to make sure the language I use is very specific because otherwise it may be interpreted in a way that you didn't mean so be very specific in your use of language. Say what you mean if you want a child to do something trump thing say exactly what you mean is GonNa make such a difference. So if you're going to say something like like Tommy Run. That message could actually be taken. They may just hear the word run is it's it's going to be much more helpful. If you say Tommy Walk and say exactly what you mean an example of language. That's really not specific. Could be something like don't do that. Those words don't really mean anything. It doesn't tell the a child what to do it just and it doesn't even tell them what not to do it. Don't do that. That could be anything so as specific say put your feet on the floor or whatever it is wherever you want that child to do. Tell them exactly exactly that. Sometimes it can look like a child or young pass in has undestood what you've said because perhaps they've replied yes to you or maybe they've repeated what you've said. Perhaps it something that you do regularly and you think the the actually they they know the routine is always a good idea to keep it in the back of your mind that perhaps thought person may may not have understood what you've said and you might be able to observe this in their behavior but definitely don't get frustrated if if a child or an individual has not what not done what you've asked them to do perhaps they don't actually understand what you mean and maybe you need to to change your language or change or form of communication. Sometimes we might use too much language and this can cause challenges Alan Ges because words or the communication communication message gets lost for example A long sentence Benson's might be something like can you please turn around and come and sit down now. A more effective way of asking a child especially a child who has communication difficulties would be to say their name and then say set or common set so that you can make sure the child gets the key information from the language rather than that message getting lost in lots of unnecessary language so reducing our language to the key information can really really help. Language can be further supported with the use of pictures images objects. If you're holding something visual of what you are talking about. That's going to really help the children. The child the individual to decode. What you're saying or make more sense of what you're saying? So it's a good idea to pair language with aver picture or the object when for example when I ask a child if they want to go to the toilet hold up a picture of the toilet and say do you want the toilet another way that we can help. autistic individuals or individuals of communication difficulties is to use sign megatonne sign which is is a simplified version of of British sign language so using those key signs. When you're talking can really help to emphasize the word and the meaning of the word so be concrete with your use of language? Abstract got concepts can already be very challenging to understand because we can't see them so if we can try and make our language I onto stable as possible definitely avoid using any language that has a different meaning. All soft. Kasim Salk Doc. Hasim unless you're going to teach exactly what sarcasm means avoid using it because it can really confuse a child but by all means teach teach what sarcasm as and when you can use it as always important to ensure you give the child time to process and on for for different children. That's going to be a different time. But I mean I would say give ten seconds for for Charles Prices and Instruction Direction unless child can manage having more than one instruction at time. Avoid giving multiple instructions just give one instruction time and wait for for that child to process the instruction therefore you're giving them much more opportunity to be successful K.. Number three consistency Eh. This word consistency is so important. Especially when you're using perhaps a particular strategy not a maybe even when you're thinking about language be consistent and show. That child fully understands that when you you do something or when you say something. They know their response. Because you've been doing it so many times you'll being consistent. The child will will learn that. This means this. If you're not consistent if you sometimes say this sometimes sometimes say that that can be very confusing if you sometimes use for example if you sometimes use a visual timetable to to help structure their day. So they know what's coming up and sometimes you don't that will cause a lot of anxiety. Consistency consistency I'd say but he's really important. Consistency A. K. number four organization is extremely important. Potent when I was teaching fulltime a class of children with autism and severe learning difficulties. If I was not organized and didn't I have my resources and in the right places I used to use books as everything was exactly where I knew it would be. I know that a lesson would just fall apart. Because without having that organization in place things can run smoothly. And you want things to run very smoothly for an example. As if there's a child doing some work activities perhaps this child has maybe a a short attention span. And you're doing some activities at a table if your activities nicely organized perhaps therein. I I always like to use Individual Wallets for different activities. So so the activities can come out individually one one on the table. Do that Timothy next. If they're not organized and you're trying to look for resources that child is probably already up and the other side of the classroom and you cannot blame them. Of course they they need. They've they've found something more exciting today. So make sure your organized number five talk about emotional regulation and the ability to be able to understand and our emotions and then knowing what to do when we're experiencing a type of emotion so using a strategy strategy to help us emotionally regulate for food cystic children and in fact for for many children understanding how to regulate those emotions can be challenging and we really need to support this because if a a child is not well regulated then not going to be able to take part in learning then not going to be able to access the lesson and what I mean by Fairchild is very excited or if a child is very upset or first-rate. It then not going coming to be able to access the learning effectively. So let's think about emotional regulation in those two areas so identifying buying emotion and emotional regulation strategies so in terms of identifying. My Shit is very important that that we as teachers as parents we muddle the language in context so at the time that a child is experiencing these emotions so for example. If a child is very happy tell them. They're happy. How them they're excited if you're feeling tired if you're feeling sad model that is well show them that your your feeling an emotion label it gives them the language perhaps? Maybe you're doing lesson about a character in a story and they're feeling feeling a certain emotion talk about it discuss it. Let's give the children. The the language in context you can do activities activities for example watching a video. Maybe it's their favorite characters or perhaps it's a video of the of of of all of you in class and maybe somebody is showing a particular emotion. Watch it back and identify those emotions US pictures pictures to make it more concrete and visual. I'm definitely a fan of having a emotion Scale in the classroom. Say maybe have something on the wool or by the whiteboard where you have different emotions and you can use this Anytime in your teaching teaching To label a specific emotion. Maybe it's come up in a story and you can you. Can you can take a picture of the wall or or get the Sky A.. And show it to the children all look. This character is feeling scared so these sorts of things can really help the children's understand stand the emotion because be careful. Sometimes we can say. Are you feeling happy. Are you feeling sad. And they may say yes saliva actually do they really understand what you mean now. Understanding what to do to help themselves in a when they're experiencing certain emotion can also be a challenge and we can help support that by ensuring we give them appropriate appropriate strategies. Now that might be for that. It could different for different children. Maybe it's going to be some sensory resources going going to help to calm them. Maybe it's going to be having a break from the classroom. Maybe it's going to be asking to talk to the teacher or talk. Talk to somebody and we can help. Provide the children with these strategies by making them again visual concrete. Maybe it's going to be having having a visual support which may be lists some of those trustees or maybe it's some pictures maybe it wouldn't be appropriate for the child to make a choice at that point because they've become so dis- regulated and we need to provide that choice for them. So maybe it's going to be okay. I I'm supporting a child and I can see. This child is not managing well in this situation maybe something is causing them to become this regulated. That's it I'm going to support them by telling them or showing them. They need a break. This will help to show the child care. This is the time you have a break week. Or maybe it's going to be something some kind of activity where they can step away from the learning take part in a in in a regulating activity comeback to calm a calm emotional state and then come back to the learning. That's going to be much more effective than letting things escalate to a point where they're just unable to access any of the learning at all. So maybe I duNNo. I have nine children for example bullet-riddled who found playing with play Doh for a few minutes very regulating or child. who found putting of a vibrating? I breaking cushion under his feet very regulating in the next episode. We'll actually talk a lot more about emotional regulation in in more detail because you could. You could talk about these strategies for hours but if you think about providing some way of teaching a child to identify those emotions and then some specific strategies to help them regulate those emotions those are the areas to focus on. Okay number six social skills now. We have to remember that some children may not not truly know what to do in a social situation they may avoid social situations because of this. It doesn't mean that they don't want to take part in social situations. Some children might not want to. But we've got to make sure that we provide experiences and situations where we can show the children how to take part in social situations wherever that skin to be having somebody muddle how to play a game muddle have to take turns role play quite often. Visual supports can help in these situations for example hands aching. Maybe you could have a spinning dial with different photos or a photo board where you can swap the person's voters show whose tarentaise I can really help the chart understand understand when it's going to be that time because otherwise gone tonight. I'm just thinking of a time in a previous costs. I told the children didn't they didn't know us time. It was. Take the register until I put in a visual support to show them whose time it was before that was put in place there. What what is there were arguments I put in place? They were apps they were so happy. They knew turn it was actually made them so much. More independent social stories are great. And we'll touch on social stories. Maybe in a future episode but basically social stories A A way of teaching a social situation in a in a story form the child can look again and again and shows the child what to do in that situation. I've always been a fan of using zing what I would call a photo book with photos of that situational. Maybe it's going to be a new experience. I to show the children this his what's going to happen. We're going to do this this this. This and this social stories are much more aims at social situations but they can really help to teach child what to do and a specific social situation so highlighting and always thinking. How can I support the child? The children children to access social situations with the understanding that perhaps they might find something challenging and they might not how you observe number. Seven functions of behavioral behavior ways has a function. I remember that always has a function when you're observing a situation. You're observing some sort of behavior. Always remember is going to be resulting from one of these five areas is it ju. Two challenges with Communication Russian. Are they frustrated. They haven't been able to communicate something to you. They understand what somebody's trying to communicate to them. Another is as for social attention. They doing it to get your attention. They doing something to get another child. Attention another one could be Due to sensory processing as as I mentioned before is it something in the environment that is that they are very sensitive to all is there is so much sensory input. They're overwhelmed and now you're seeing this type of behavior. Is it. Due to wanting to escape escape avoidance do they not want to be in that room. Do they not want to be in this situation. And lastly is it. Ju- tangible or objects has their Fav- for example has their favorite toy been removed from them. Can they see an object Jack that they won't have they been playing with a toy and they haven't been given enough warning or preparation that that toy is going to be removed and when it is you see this behavior so those five areas communication social attention sensory processing assessing escape and avoidance tangible 's should always be thought of when you're observing behavior think about those areas what is it. That's making a child. Behave in a certain way is going to help you work out the trigger. I'm put in place. An effective strategy to help support that child and there are different ways of assessing behavior. I'm I'm forever using. ABC Chart so looking at what happened before the behavior. What happened during what happened? After I I would do these constantly in my class just to make sure that we went missing anything because sometimes you can think you know patterns or you think you know what the triggers are until you've actually got a record of evidence and look back at it. You can actually see patterns that maybe hadn't seen before so. ABC Charts a great definitely. Keep track of behavior. It's going to really help you to try and reduce any negative experiences for that child by finding out what the triggers are okay. Number Eight is transition supports so transitions can sometimes sometimes be quite a challenging time for autistic individuals and this could be because they may not understand where they're going or what they're gonNA do or who those a about what's going to happen so if we can provide the right support to ensure that they are effectively prepared. This can really really help. I'm what I mean by. An effective transition support is something that is clear to the individual to help them. No for example where they're going to guy or what's going to happen when they get there and this can be provided in different types types of ways depending on the individual's level of understanding and sense making perhaps it's a written list of the the activities that lessons they're doing in that day that for one child is going to help support them to make those independent transitions themselves so from each lesson. Maybe it's going to be a visual timetable with pictures because perhaps that that child is not is not reading and to be honest I read and I prefer pictures. I think pictures give a lot of information. So perhaps it's a visual timetable. Perhaps it's more POPs. It's something that's with them all times may be I use. He's quite often with some children. Are I in then boards. I I I'm going to do this as a picture of this next. I'm I'm going to do this. And they have that with them at all times and the supporting adult can can hope. Change the pictures. Maybe the child has learned how to do it themselves and they can independently change pitches. But it's always got to be there. I know I'm doing this next. I'm going to go here. And that's going to help. Support that Charles Charles transition to the next activity alongside transition supports. I would say it's essential especially for you fit for children that are using Visual timetables now necsports or for anyone that hasn't learnt tell the time US sometimes use a timer to show how much time is left before an activity is finishing. This is so important because if you're just going to finish an activity or finish a lesson in just like that you know when it's going to finish because you can read the time and you know it's half past two but the child doesn't know that and that is going to cause a a lot of anxiety APPs. They're they're doing something they really like all of a sudden it's finishing no wonder you're going to see some frustration from them so make sure you you just. Maybe maybe it's placing a five minutes heimer funds of them and saying five minutes and then the lessons finishing that's is going to make such a difference especially if you use it consistently. When I was teaching in a special school children with autism I was teaching classes of non verbal children with severe learning with with additional severe learning difficulties and they were able to make independent transitions with either visual timetable? Showing the pictures of what they were they were doing in the day or maybe it was a now and next board. If I'm if I put a sometime five minutes before the end of the lesson and I did this for every lesson. They knew that the lesson is coming to an end then. When the time was finished I would count down from five five four three two one? The lesson has finished and they would all make that transition independently and that was through through making sure they all had effective transition supports and I was being consistent with my with what with how I was supporting it with my use of sand timers and the way I was providing those transition supports okay number nine and this continues from transition support. It's supporting the structure of lessons or supporting the structure of tasks so in a similar way making ensure that things are broken down even more so for example making sure the child the children I the parts the lesson. So what's coming up in the lesson when it's going to finish that's going to make a big difference and the reason is you're enabling the individual to know what's what's expected to expected of them. What's expected in the task or the lesson? I'm thinking of one or two particular individuals individuals that I've taught who just would not have sat through a lesson without knowing what each of the steps were because without having that support ooh there. They weren't sure of how long they were supposed to be sitting down or how they're supposed to be doing that task and comparing the difference from having all of the visual resources prepared for the whole lesson to show exactly the steps of what was coming up compared with not having those supports you you could expect a child to just get up in the middle of the lesson because they don't know when it's going to end less like a fun or an English lesson maybe baby you're going to do start by doing some letter. Sounds so maybe you're going to have a symbol or picture of the letters. Then maybe next you're going to do some writings. He could have a picture or symbol of writing. Then maybe after that is going to be reading so you'd have a picture tro or the symbol of reading. When the activity is finished that symbol picture can be removed so ready? The child can see what it's what they need to do. What's expected in the lesson? It may be that you just have it. Written on a board and ticked Tov may be the child has got this next to them on a small white board. Or maybe it's a little a little visual suppo- on the inside of that book that they can take off or maybe mark quiver a white bullpen. Anything that's going to be effective for that child. I'm definitely very proud using it for the whole close because at the end of the day this this is going to benefit All of the children we owe US lists and calendars and in front of me. I've got my post that night. The things that I need to do today. We all use these things to support ourselves. I let's make sure we fully prepare the children and and let them know they need to do. It's going to really reduce any anxiety. And ensure they fully understand what's expected expected of them and help them to be successful and achieve every part of life lesson or complete a task as independently as possible boo. Maybe even completely independently because they could see the steps in front of them. Okay we've come to number ten. I felt like I could go on longer. But we'll stay after this one for today. Maybe I'll give a couple of extra points as well okay. Number ten is engaging aging resources using things that the children will find motivating. And engaging if you can you if you can get their interest get that focus with something really exciting. Maybe it's something that the children or the class are interested at the moment. Is it some program. They've been watching some game. They like playing. Is it some kind of resolve. That's going to they guide to find find really funny or over really fun. Be Imaginative and creative and find those those engaging topics resources and draw focus in that way it might be a child really likes trains and you can engage them by doing all sorts of different types of activities using using trains or maybe hits. They loved to be outside and you can do. Lots of learning outside really tried to capture that child's focus and attention attention. Because if you if you're trying to engage a child in something that on an maybe it's a worksheet or something something that's not that interesting. You can't blame them for not being interested last. I would say use the child's interests and go from there. Okay so I've come to ten but I just wanted to touch on something. I haven't mentioned that is very important and it is modeling and showing what you mean because quite often we might tell oh somebody to do something or what we want them to do and they they might say they want to do it or they might avoid or fuse. Perhaps it's because they don't understand what you want them to do or or now what your what's expected expected of them so if you can show them how to do it by muddling by doing it as well. That child is going to have of more opportunity to be successful so as a teacher I would always make sure my lessons were muddled when I was introducing a lesson. I would model exactly what I wanted the children to do I'd show them. I would do it with them. Perhaps they would have somebody doing the activity beside them so they knew exactly how to do it. It's really going to enhance that. Charles Independent cendant skills by showing them how to do something and then enabling them to do it as independently as possible as much as possible by themselves. Okay that's brilliant. We've come to the end of the pocus episode. Thank you so much for listening. I really hope you've taken something away from that poker step site now. I would really really appreciate it if you could leave a quick review on I tunes for the autism spectrum spectrum teacher podcast. This would help anyone looking for information such as this find the cost. Also share the podcast with all the teachers with other parents. This will enable this information to help more children. I'm more parents more teachers so please leave a review. Show the PODCAST. Also as I mentioned earlier on in this episode please any questions via email or perhaps helps any themes that you'd like to cover in future. Po cost episodes. My email addresses Steph at autism spectrum teacher dot com calm and you can write me a question or even semi a voice note via email. And I'll get back to you soon as I can. You can connect with me on social media facebook. I'm at autism spectrum teacher instagram autism autism spectrum. Teacher Twitter Steph read. 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Teacher Agency in the New Curriculum with Dr Judith Kneen


42:31 min | 1 year ago

Teacher Agency in the New Curriculum with Dr Judith Kneen

"And. Welcome back, everybody is our final episode. We have made it somehow in the throes of pandemic to the end of a second season of our humble podcast i. think he's quite milestone. Do you think Tom? It is I. Don't think we ever imagine re recording under these circumstances. When we decided to do here to still here and we're still recording and I'm still in my car have gone out since the last episode. We. We are very very pleased to announce that. For our final episode. Of this year we have got a regular guest returning to our final podcast episode. It's Doctor Judith Nin, welcome back Dr to Judith Thank you very much lovely to be the year. If, you're episode one now you're an episode. Twenty one I'll tell you how to take about being called book and but I. I will tell you. So we've we've invited you back because we feel that we've got some topic that you've been researching. And of recently written an article on that might be of interest to first and foremost. Our PG see soon to be graduate to the program as they walk off into the sunset into their new jobs lives as teachers. We're GONNA be looking at teacher agency within a very specific context, but we'll talk about that in a bit. I think first and foremost it's probably worth talking a bit about agency, which is quite abstract concept so to start off with G to keep tell us from your research. What Agency is and why you felt? It was really important area of investigation. Okay then so agency is is a bit of a thing. At the moment, there are quite a few people writing about agency from different viewpoints I think that's important to understand that people look at agency in different ways and I've been looking sick from the point of view of teacher agency. The agency itself is probably I, mean you. You can probably some it up, but by saying you know having A. A say in something is having an input I think there are far greater people than I who have given definitions of it so Pandora, Albert Bandou for example says that it's to intentionally produce certain effects by one's actions, and that requires it requires forethought on the part of the person you know anticipating things. It requires a self reactive nece, the ability to self regulate, and it also requires a self reflectiveness. Reflect on your own efficacy. But those sorts of definitions light, Bunder, very much focused on personal qualities on agency, being something, which is a personal equality I've been looking at an and following on from priestly Estrin Robinson on this who writes a really good book on agency and they maintain the agency is not just down to the individual, but it's very much down to the circumstances in which the individual operates, so they call it. An emergent phenomenon and an ecological one say it's about the person's environment. The environment that you operated so that's very much. What I've been looking at in terms of teacher agency is not only the personal qualities that someone brings to it. Personal experiences that small brings to help achieve agency if he liked but the looking their environment as well the environment they work. Thanks for that Judith I. IT seems to be a real both word in education at the moment, and even more important sort of in the climate of change in Wales and opt for obvious reasons, really important to student teachers. You're obviously going to to want to have their sense of agency throughout their teaching careers. But why was it so important to you as a researcher? Okay, so you quite right? We will looking at the development of the. Within Wales. And there is a great emphasis on the new curriculum being developed on a subsidiarity approach so putting the power back in the hands of teachers, if you like, and this occurred through the device of using what they call, Pioneer Teachers in Wales teachers who were charged with the job of creating the framework for the new curriculum. So. This is quite something really because for the last I would say the last thirty years well, actually since I've come into teaching, so I came into teaching justice. The national curriculum came in in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty nine. and. Power has been taken away from teachers before that teachers could teach what they wanted. And we've gone through thirty years, or so with teachers, being told to be deliverers of the curriculum, being handed a curriculum in order to deliver it, so this is a massive change that's taken place within. Wales and as possible research project that that we were all involved in we interviewed some of the pioneer teachers for the expressive arts, and a lot of the questions centered around their experience of being a pioneer teacher. A being a teacher who's responsible for putting in a framework for the rest of the country Wales, and so it was too good an opportunity to really to not have a look at the nature of agency with regard to this raw, the big innovation within within Wales. I it struck me that there were when you were mentioning about sort of the context context, being a key factor in the development of agency struck me. The these pioneer teaches participants within your research were inhabiting sort of multiple contexts. They were starting out in their own schools where they had their own experiences, teachers and them as individuals you know, had their own kind of sense of who they were as teachers. The capabilities were they would then kind of brought into an arena amongst other pioneers from other and just being named as a pioneer with all of the weight of responsibility there and then having to work together to co construct the new area of learning and experience. In your paper, you look to the world of sociology and Psychology for framework to help sort of understand what was going on in those different contexts. Can you tell us a bit about the hopefully? You're going to save his correct. The Bronfman Brenner Framework and revealed by the pioneers. Development of agency, yeah, of course I've no idea on that pronunciation is. He said she don't. And trustingly they've been researchers all over the world research on teacher agency include lot from Finland and I have no idea how to pronounce the name so I'm pleased to hear someone else struggling with names. This view of agency is very complex, so if I take you back to what I said was an ecological view of the agency, and that means that you look in all the different aspects of somebody with. With their agency so that personal around what they bring to it that ambitions, their long term plans, and they show ten plans the culture that they work within the structural elements of the work environment such, so it's really complex, so we we were looking for a framework in which to break this down, and to find some meaningful messages from it, so yes, you're right. We borrowed frameworks from both psychology and sociology. So Brown Fan Brenna developed a model. If you like with regard to human development, child development within their ecological environment, and this is conceived as it's difficult to explain this but this. PODCAST, because because it's the sort of issue thing, but the model is of a nested structure of like concentric circles with the individual, so the child in the middle, if you like and the are a number of other systems that operate around the individual in the sense. So, Mizuho Systems access systems microsystems. Basically, this just refers to. The different elements of their environment that might be the school the family, the community et Cetera, so that's one way of looking at someone within their environment, Rantel call into sociologist. He looked at how sociologist tend to use micro level, so to look at the individual and also macro level the broader world within which an individual operates and their two polls of continuum, an it between those comes the Mizuho level if you like, but the space in between, and that's quite important, because that sort of indicates the connections between those two levels. So that's what we use just the basis for the framework. Analyzing data, so we came up with a micro level. which is the level of the Individual Pioneers. So looking at their qualities, their experience, what they brought with them to their pioneer work, we looked at the macro level, and the micro level is work on the national frameworks when they came together from all parts of Wales to work on the national framework. And, then we assumed it to me a level, and by that we meant the worker institutional level, so in the case of secondary teachers might also be their work within their department, their work with colleagues in the school. And so that's the framework that we use in in order to analyze what is quite a complex ecology. If you like yeah, on a practical level, you conducted semi structured interviews with these pioneers, and you also observe them whilst they were on their way days planning the curriculum. Is that correct bus right? Yeah, so we have semi structured interviews because it gave us a framework to cover areas that we knew we wanted to cover, but also the flexibility for them to talk about other. Other areas as well, and it was really quite interesting, so they came out with a loss about their own personal experiences, and what they bought and how they felt about it, and and obviously this is quite important if you're looking how they operate, and whether they do have agency how they feel about the processes with was quite important, so the interviews were able to capture that and we also did observations of them whilst they were working as a oh Ali group together so. Early Group the about twenty of them and they came together from. Schools from primary schools, special schools bilingual, Welsh, medium, school, English medium not so. We made show that we had representation within our interviews of all sizes while we interviewed about fifty percent of of the group, but it was very interesting. Seeing them operates in working. You know within their. Group, because that was their raise on debt. If you light, that was what they were there to do to come together to create a national framework for use within all the schools in Wales, related to expressive arts, so it gave some really rich data, which we were able to and to do some analysis on so I suppose it's really interesting to think of these pioneers, not just as pioneers of. Of the expressive arts curriculum, but as pioneers for being given a whole lot more agency, as teachers than teachers have been given historically as you were saying at the start of the episode, so in terms of kind of pioneering that process, saying to a load of teaches, you know you have an ad agency up to this point well now you've got loads. Is it as simple as that that will? Not Sex about precisely what happened is that they were brought together, and they were given this agency and the teachers themselves realized the importance of this and also felt very privileged. One of the things that came out time and time again was that they felt very lucky to be involved in this process. It's a sort of sand dinant really on our education system. That at teachers feel as though they're fortunate because they're being asked to contribute to the very job that they do in in creation the new curriculum, but I think the implications of what you're asking. Their Tom is is wed. the teachers can cope with being suddenly asked to do that, and and that's one of the interesting things that comes through in the results. We looked. At micro level macro level means I level, and they coped very well micro level. You know the where frustrations in the grape they did get irritated with each other's at some times not, but they work strongly together, and they came to respect each other I think within the group, and despite the fact, they came from different backgrounds and macro level. They worked successfully together as well because they actually did create the framework that they'd been brought together to do as I say there were frustrations irritations at times. But the problems came as our level when they went back into Aaron institutions. Yes, this is where it got re fascinating for me reading your article on, and it got me thinking a lot about how student teachers kind of traverse multiple contexts across PG year, but we'll talk about that once we had a look at it in the context of your research, so what happened? Just going back on the narrative. They've presumably spent multiple times working together macro level dealing with any kind of insecurities, they might have had that micro volt and finding kind of harmony. Feeding confident that they had something to deliver and to share with their colleagues at measles apple, but then experiencing some challenges. At me, so let's tell us a little bit about that. Yes, so. This is really important. Level sort of intimated earlier on, is it's? It's the important level because this is where agency is. All the curriculum is going to be enacted. At School. And, so it's important to get this level wind and I'll find two main areas which were at issue, one was management within schools and the other one was with the payers within schools. And we found in lots of cases. The management were very. Particularly within a primary school context, primary schools tend to be smaller and therefore the management tend to be more hands on probably more engaged in what's going on and they the response from the primary school pioneers was that the management generally very supportive. That wasn't always the case with secondary secondary's much bigger organizations. And they have a different agenda in many ways at secondary school. We know that we've been in A. WE are in an era of accountability and exams and things, so they've constantly. In the background, the water the exams grown to look like. And how is it going to impact on our exams, so the management in secondary schools sometimes was problematic. They didn't always for example. Give the teachers the time that they were allocated. Though the teachers, the pioneer teachers women have two days per week on their pioneer work. This was funded by Welsh government generously funded by Welsh government now most of the schools as far as I could gather actually how that, but not all of them and I in fact meant that the schools were taking. Taking the funding goes some of the schools as a minority of schools, but nevertheless without taking the funding, and the teachers were doing both tops. They were still doing that normal job, and they were also doing their pioneer job, so that was a problem for some of the teachers of trying to to cope with that and the fact that supply cover. Substitute teachers. If you like would not being provided for them. The other problem with regards management was. As I've already intimated the secondary schools in particular on an in a more competitive environment. This competitive environment has been engendered within schools again over the past thirty years or so. And so, when for example, one pioneer was asked to go and do some work in a neighboring school head. Teach refused permission for this. She was told that we don't go sharing with arrivals. So this is sort of go back to you know the idea of the ecology that you're working within the environment that you working within this is cultural elements that need dealing with a new attending to their deep in ground, cultural elements of what's happening, so you have a culture of competition between schools, so you context back to pioneer teacher to go in and be able to deal with us on their own. So, at management, level where issues, but also there were issues with their payers, said so again primary schools. It's a more positive picture. One of the primary teachers that will primary colleagues will grab it with both hands because. The Cross curricular approaches that were being abdicated for the new curriculum are more familiar, a more comfortable with the the primary teachers, but cross curricular approaches on not the norm in secondary schools are more of an exceptional thing that goes on so therefore within secondary schools. The was quite a bit of negative, not that they had to face. If I wanted to teach visit, it was really scary scene. There was absolute negative liberty, and it's so it's. It's really interesting because what we had so far is. There's an assumption that agency is a positive thing for development, but teachers can operate agency by not doing something as well and. writer Buchanan who. Who sums up by saying the to form of agency one is stepping up where teachers go above and beyond what's expected of them and the other one is pushing back and saying we don't want this and again. That's a form of agency as well, and that's what the teachers were doing in. Some of the schools was pushing back. So. It's interesting to see that, but you know as far as curriculum. Designers are concerned, really they. They've got to be really aware of as you can choose he'll. Pioneer teaches and get the right. People think a lot of really good people in that group. And you can put the systems in place for them at micro level, and make sure that they can do their job, but if things like the culture on the structures are not right at the knees level at the institutional level, then it can all fall apart, and that was a lot of the pioneers were worried about their main fear from all the pioneers were was the other teachers would rejected. I'm pushback. Is Sounds very familiar to me from my own experience I remember when I was in my second or third year as a fully qualified teacher I had the opportunity to go and do some research with the Will Shakespeare, company and the University of Warwick and I was coming out of school to do that. And I was I was within a completely different kind of culture, developing new relationships with peers from across the K. coming back in school, feeding reading fused, but then feeding really disappointed that my colleagues didn't instantly kind of feel the same passion and enthusiasm for what I was trying to implement and. It was probably a little bit with my own navy, but at this definitely something to be said about how teaches is supported to implement. Be At professional learning, PD, with colleagues and AMIS level the I. Think this really does speak to the common problem that we have where you know. We're trying to develop as an individual, but then we're trying to also collaborate and. Influence others as well. It's really interesting. Isn't it on UNTER? Go back through probably what I said at the beginning when we were looking at. Definition of agency and band you're is saying it's very much about the individual. It's also becomes really clear from the example that you've just given Amer. The agency isn't an individual capacity. You do need individual qualities there, but agency with teachers is not an individual capacity, because you cannot just invest in one individual, you need to put the right structures, the right culture in place or develop the right culture and. So, it's You quite right it runs. It runs through all elements of education. In that way, it runs through higher education secondary education than what we're doing with student teachers and bring in both on you can't. You you can't. It's IT'S A it's a a communal thing. It's a collaborative thing developing agency amongst teachers. I was quite struck. Actually Judith by the you said even runs through the language. secondary said the secondary teachers referred to being released in order to come and do this work. It's almost like the these decades of a very different way of working of left a a lot of teachers quite institutionalized, if thousand north core account a derogatory way of putting it, but by the system. Yeah, it's. And it's really interesting that you pick up on that because the language was telling but there. Competent coughing hit might be ice ner. Says something along the lines of. Less than a bird out of the cage. It's to do with all the sudden. NIP been captured all this time you've had. You know being told what to do. Being told to be deliverers things all the time and. You can't expect culture to change just because you. You put certain things in places. It's a far longer process than that and. it's a fall deeper processing last. In terms of people changing their mindsets that that was a word that came up along when we were interviewing the pioneers about changing mindset, they recognize the pioneers recognize, but the main battle. If you'd hike in changing, the curriculum is is is not putting a framework in place. It's not putting things in place. It's actually change INC, or guessing this through to to the other teachers and change mindsets on it in a lot of cases. I. It strikes me that this research is is not only going to be very very important for you know teachers and leaders in the context of curriculum change to take heed of, but as I said, did he ran? It really strikes me the in it in the space of less than a year. We ask P. C. students to. Jumped multiple context jump between multiple context their university, the where they've got various different demands at macro and micro level, going on the getting to know their peers that then asta to go into two different school placement so whole different range of cultural features aspects at measor level. and I wonder if you know just just knowing that this kind of framework exists, but also that agency is something that is constantly in flux. My actually just be quite empowering for them, or at least kind of explain why they're paps. Feeling the way they're feeling at certain points in the air. Yes, I. Bet you're right and I. Think you fight. To pinpoint the father agencies in influx, it's not a fixed thing. It changes depending on where you are. So you know when we were interviewing? The pioneer teaches some of them were having incredibly different experiences depending on where they were and yet for four student teachers who find themselves in this world I think you're absolutely right raising awareness that you know you operate differently. You will have different types of agency in different environments that you're absolutely right, and this is. This is one of the the main things we know that we went when they change, they have in our institution have two main placements when they change from their first place, Melissa of imprinted on. First placement and they go to their second placement and find. A completely different environment exists with potentially different values, different culture, their different structures, and yes, you is, it probably is something that that we ought to give more attention to in developing their understanding say. So that they understand why things are as as they are, and why they're feeling the completely right, yeah. and. I said to process actually, isn't it? Because when our student teachers stop placement to, they're usually really unhappy, just because it's not placement one, but by the time they get to the end. They usually you know more often than not absolutely loving so I guess it's probably important. Emphasize that this agency thing is not necessarily a one way. Street is not just all about schools relaxing the reins as a sort of institutional level, a really complicated setup really. Is. Incredibly complex and you write all of this. They experienced this that the student teachers have helped to build up their own. Personal experience in their personal history with an education I mentioned the book on Teacher Agency by Presley And Robinson. They call it a relational and I. Think it's a really good way of describing its original is a sort of to England froing of your experience of what you gain, and then what you sort of don't gain you. You go forward a bit, and you come back a bit, and they call it this personal experience interational. I think it's a really good way of describing it. Yes it's cy cycles and I suppose that. You mentioned about reflection, being an important part of thought process and. That Sydney something that maybe we are getting right on the page. See Ruins is encouraging that constant reflection reflects and Andrew Flexibility in a wide behave the way I behaved in environment as opposed to that environment and wide. I feel empowered to do that in that context as opposed to that context, this natural kind of next steps seem to be coming from your research as well. Well, Judith which is is hopefully going to be helpful to our listeners. Well, thank you. It's been really helpful. Feedback on his actually, because when you involved and engaged in doing the analysis, sometimes you don't see the broader implications of it so it through discussions with yourself and Tom them that and of of seeing actually. Yes, this is this is not just relevant to this. Research that I've been doing it's. It's actually has a broader broader implication to it. I also wants Judith more broadly. This is making me think of conversation. I had with Ruth Right. Who is formerly of Cardiff Matt and now a very big cheese over in Canada. Who's written a lot of really important articles about music education? She said to me in the conversation two years ago. I think it was now when I discovered sociology. It really opened up my whole view of how education works and I. Must Admit at the time didn't quite get what she was trying to tell me, but. It seems that this whole idea of looking at these organizations and sociology, and how how things kind of interacting this way seems to be really key part of getting our heads around this this new curriculum landscape that we find ourselves in. I think he writes looking beyond your own field is really useful. I often say to to the student teachers. Will I don't apologize for showing you this video of a maths, lesson or music lesson because actually. When you take it out of the context of English which is my own subject, you can see what's happening a little bit more clearly, and I think the same with those way very engaged in our own educational world, but when you go on and look the fields of psychology and sociology, and how they look at things. It can be tremendously useful and and tremendously enlightening as well. Do, this is being an enlightening process in itself. Funk you so much for discussing your research with what we do I think he's. We'll take a screen shot of that framework. The ruffin Brenner nested diagram I'm difficulty. The Russian dolls that's right mission dove, and we'll let we'll put. These people can have a look. And and look at it alongside your fantastic description. As you know, we've got our regular slots are short slots, and I think Tom. Scott something actually. You've been reading Tom that you might want to share. This is an interesting one actually because you may remember quite some time ago, Judith I. Think you were in the episode, we. Reviewed the infamous book as seven months about education by Daisy Christodoulou, which is a book that has been name checked by a lot of people on this podcast since and it has been a very very influential book. We went a hundred percent positive in our review of that book, and I don't think in some respects. It hasn't made us a lot of concern in the education world. In all areas and I will say price anything else I do. Stand by the things I said about that book. I think. Missed an opportunity to to do some really important things he did do some very important things, but. I did have issues with it which which I went through in the episode of the time. However I have spent more of my good money on a daisy Christodoulou book. A He's got another book out called Teachers Versus Tech. And I find the teachers versus tack book to Be Really Good and really well worth read, and that's even before we found ourselves teaching with technology a whole lot more now that we're in the middle of a corona coronavirus, pandemic and stuck in our houses, mostly Daisy Christodoulos, teachers versus tech is a really. Calm rational even-handed, balanced look at when aunt teaching with technology can be incredibly useful and where it can be incredibly, not useful and I find it really interesting read eight talks about specific strategies specific technologies, but it does so as I said in an even-handed and balanced way I think it's well worth read for those of us who are trying to navigate our way through a very new world of teaching just at the moment. And and we've been doing just that, haven't we? I think all of US Myself Judith Untung have been teaching almost exclusively via Microsoft teams, but we've been. We've been having a bit of a play with that platform just to see how we can still afford our our student teachers agency and given the opportunity to break out into virtual seminar discussion rooms. They can still engage in in that deeper conversation engaged with appear. There'll be part of that kind of community. The education brings albeit you know from their own respective living rooms. So, we would kind of our thing to try. Think would be to to try out some of the technologies that you've got your fingertips into to have a bit of a play with them and. I think what we've found having done that. Correct me if I'm wrong here, Tom and Judith. If you've got any thoughts on this feel free to chip in is that you start with what you would want to achieve if you kind of had them in a classroom with you and see if the technology can lend itself to that, you know, don't start with the technology is a barrier and looking to just what the technology can do and letting. Letting that dictate what you then do. In most cases, really good technology. It'll fit to what your what your rationale what your purposes are. We always start with the learning objectives as a good teacher, don't we? This is what we tell our students. You don't start with the activities you start with what you're trying to learn. And then the activities kind of plan themselves is very very easy with technology, and this is something I said before we. We found ourselves in this situation. It's very easy to get seduced by the shiny toys, and what the shiny toys can do, but you have to start with what you want, the students to learn what you want them to understand. And then you find the activities that that fit that and it's no different when you using technology as when you've gotten in the classroom in that respect because certain things. You can't reproduce in the technological ram it doesn't. Doesn't work in the same way certain things you can, but then there are other things you can do that. You can't do in the classroom you find certain balances change I think the balance of of how much direct teaching do versus how much kind of individual study time you gave will change when the students kind of stuck in is is by themselves, but yes, start with the learning and then choose your activities is exactly the same principle. You're actually. Right. I'm intrigued by saying the same thing she can do. The technology on one of the lovely discoveries is the use of chat while sweeping Houston teams and the students I have absolutely loved working with the students on teams and using the chats on that, so the Chart Street where they can actually just typing comments a not only they said well, you can get responses from. From everybody just brief responses in a way that you can't do in the classroom that you can go through, you can get questions from people in a way that it's not so easy to do in the classroom live and that so you can, you can scroll through those, but what I'm really fascinated by is, they can also propylaea chats and comment on teaching whilst you. In the nicest possible way I'm sure, but they actually do have a social chart and they'll. They'll do the little bits that I asked them to do on Chas Wells. That's been a real revelation. It's Yeah, it's. It's definitely a learning curve and. You know our final slot is always is the well-being, and I had something to chip in on this and then PAP Judith. You can let us know how you're looking after your wellbeing in lockdown, but. I was speaking to some family members recently in this one of which is in the shielded category, so won't be coming out for quite some time and I was asking how they get on the do no K and one of the things they said this committed this for wellbeing perspective is caused them to really reflect on. A lot of the things that they were doing pre lockdown. That probably weren't helpful to their wellbeing, and that they will definitely look to to change or to call going forward. One of the things they mentioned with the spend too much time going going shopping aimlessly wandering around town. You know wasting time they they could be doing a lot of the lovely things that they've actually been doing in lockdown. which is really connecting with one another and the things that they were going to maybe sort of respectfully abstain from going forward like they're part of a committee for one thing or another, and it's not really something that they do buy toys. They've they're. Feeling like they're responsible for doing it, so you know. Maybe that is something that we can all think about now in this as lockdown starts to ease, what am I? What am I gonNA reintroduced? But what am I going to actually abstain from? US Nice. Idea actually what we really need to do so many of us have been Doreen. Has Been Learning Italian and taking new things on this on the other end. Actually it's just as well to think about what is not really necessary as well. And that brings US neatly to the end of our last episode of this year. I should say before we say anything else an enormous. Thank you to Dr. Judith seen for coming and being our guest again at the end of the episode an enormous. Thank you to the pair of you actually because we've battled through epic technical problems trying to record this episode today, recording remotely is picnic and your patients has been greatly appreciated, and the patience of listeners who've dealt with some crackles and pops in thuds and things very through the last few episodes as well. We ought to balance the books here Tharman. Say a huge. Thank you to you for. Efforts, in in keeping US sir, connected and keeping this podcast going. offered. In some very interesting circumstances you back in your car. Is You said at the start so? Fair Plati Tom as we as we defeated and say. Thank! You everybody for listening. Thank you again to Judy thank you to our guests, and if you're like our podcast and do you want to you more or this something that we haven't covered that? You would really like to be covered in an episode. then. feel free to drop us a line. You can leave us a review. 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The South Florida Morning Show hr 3 2-3-21

"The south florida morning show with jennifer. Ross in bill adams on newstalk eight fifty. Mtl with no plan none much ever to reunify children stool custody and and their parents. I miss the days when we could open up. Top of the hour. Segma- jen with the president. That had a lot of energy and had something to say and was entertaining. Plan you know an fairness to the new president he he went to the capital last night and pay tribute to the slain slain officer that took That was killed during that riot on capitol uh-huh and use the occasion to say that impeachment must go on because of this please i served on. He's going stop making things political. Just show up right He's a yeah. He's got no energy. Well you know no offense. He's older i mean. That's that's what you voted in He was referring. He was referring here to the border plan. So this was another executive order. Signed yesterday with first action today We're going to work to undo the moral national shame of the previous administration that literally not figuratively rip children from the arms of their families and their mothers and fathers mortar. But it was your policy. It was your you and obama built the cages. What are you talking about no responsibility for that. They said nothing when it was coming up now they of course she's not gonna say that they were the ones that built the cages that they were the ones that separated families. Because it's easier you just pick on trump. Let's blame trump for everything he in in what two weeks. He's turned how many how many executive orders says he signed into the history in the forties fifties. Now there's a whole stack still to go. I think we're into the fifties because he laid off. He laid low on the immigration thing. You put it on aside for like twenty four hours and then yesterday signed all these things. I what i want to know is in the event. Okay now that you're changing all this going to start telling the mexicans police department and call up the mexican president and say hey. We don't need your help anymore. Just let people come through your country running ours. I don't think so because it actually hurts them because they can say when there's no immigration problem see our new policies fine no problems. Whatever i don't think they'd want that app. I really don't know okay. We can only hope to mexico would be our hero. They've been great. I really have you know they. They've they've stopped. Many caravans from coming across their southern borders right into you know their own country to make their way to the united states. Haven't changed that plan that agreement. They had with us just because biden came in twenty two thousand mexican troops at their southern border at tomase of ending a lot of this stuff. That's they really did. Trump was right away. They did pay for the wall well. They're helping us big time. So thank you mexico. Okay other parts of the world. We're going to talk about texas and cape canaveral here. We've got to launches for us. Tomorrow from spacex if they ever launched two rockets on the same day not that i know of but i have been wrong in the past so one never knows The first one very early in the morning one nineteen tomorrow morning the second also early in the morning. But we'll be able to see at five thirty six. So two separate starlink spacex each carrying sixty satellites. So we're putting up one hundred and twenty more ninety percent chance they're going off by the way yeah. I think they're waiting for the wind down. I think that's what it was. So it's going to be nicer today to a little problem in wisit boca chica texas the landing site so that starship got up the it. The good part of the test admit six miles into the sky and they didn't exactly Stick the landing but the greatest thing is stealing. Karen's audio here is the reaction from the from. The spacex crew. He's like you know so matter of factly. Listen to how says no big deal is not good and again. We just got to work on that landing a little bit. We've just got to work on that lennon. This starship just blew up in front of you. Their second time by the way you gotta stick the landing you know. It's pretty amazing. They must have more than one of these rockets because their last test was just like a month and a half ago so they but the thing is how can they perfectly launch it and then not bring it back down because they've done it here multiple times so they have the technology but knowing how to do it but when they started with these year member that the first few of them blew up. Just like that true. But i mean this. This is a rocket that keeps coming back again and again and again they mean they've done it a million times where you know the the fuselage part of it comes back down. Yeah where they use. They lose the boosters. That's where the problem is with a with the tanks that have all the fuelling. That's going to be where the the dilemma is. I don't know getting on on the phone. Gotta stick the landing mazing working at the super bowl news. We've got some new music for the super bowl. What's this isn't it. This is john for seven. Nfl films now. A dolly parton famous on nine to five right and changed it and change the lyrics to go with five to nine. And it's for It's four square. Somebody it's for if it's for people who work have jobs after they say goodbye to their regular job okay and they create businesses online. And they're doing what they're passionate about in a whether they're in a you know a little art or their their painters or they're welders and this is what it's all about. They're going to air this song at all like during the event in the day like did she have a video for. I don't know she's got a video for it. But it's for squarespace. It's their commercial and she sings the song. Okay it when you see the the commercial for squarespace on the super bowl. That's where the song place while it's a nice thought. Let's let's give it a little. Listen smasher trashy ready. Have gone patient you well you know. She's a little bit older than she was when she originally sang nine to five separate. Thought it's nice. It's one of the cuter you know. I need a year it again. But that was miller lite by the way is also leaving for dolly miller. Lite is giving out free money during the super bowl. Okay okay now. Here's the thing we're going to drop dolly that soon we had like forty five more seconds of dolly news. 'cause you're gonna trash okay miller lite what are they. They what they're doing is while. I guess somebody else's commercial is running and it's a beer commercial. They're telling you go online and put in this ridiculously long url and they'll send you eight bucks. Oh but it's it's like absurdly wrong along it's like it's a michelob bad. That's running. isn't the one that diener tried to enter to get a vaccine appointment for his day doesn't it it's the they're giving five thousand people eight bucks so if you're one of the first five thousand type out this ridiculous it's like a paragraph interesting but the it says it in the commercial all right so i will lose. I will try it and just like with vaccine. Appointments will fail miserably. You'll be put on hold just like this but you have to do it while the commercials plane right so the minute commercial for michelob starts and the guy says just type. In this url. I don't like michelob beer. Because it interrupted my built my miller lite commercial which or whatever it is bud light whoever it is and it goes on and on for eight bucks say yes maybe like twenty five per strike price you know look at this. I think the cheetos commercial is cute with mila kunis ashton kutcher but shaggy is the one who makes it marshall from scooby doo shaggy. Hope that he just says just tell him. It's not you just deny it. It's funny you'll understand. Ashton kutcher sings and that too. So it's not that shaggy no shaggy. Scooby does not show up well now. I don't want that would have been fun though. If shaggy was there with scoop scooby snacks and they were cheetos. Exactly all right. We got the more awesome cuts from the governor onto san his press conference yesterday. That was great and an awesome awesome floor dope. This guy had the state of florida tattooed between his eyes. He was easy to pick out of a crash. I'm gonna more coming up next. These sell florida morning show. There's jen i'm bill. Keep it here more news coming up karen we demanded. Are you ready demanding your news at eight thirty. No pressuring as news director. You should demand it from me person. You were the only person you're not the person to ask for news. That's exactly you've come to the right place. So according to diener. he's our expert on the public's vaccine appointment website it's a woeful tale over there every day. The window slam shot at seven forty five so it will reopen on friday at seven seven. Yes that's the big thing. If you're used to like me for the past couple of weeks now going on there right at six. Am and trying to get the appointment. Now moved it to seven due to customer feedback. People are sleeping through it right but by wanna sleep in and say let's give us some time. Can you log on earlier. it's you can but the system isn't up yet so it really doesn't help if you logged on earlier. Wow so as for palm beach. Martin saint louis and indian river counties But also the good news is that walmart and sam's club are going to be administering vaccines Pharmacies in twenty two states including florida. So that's the good news. It's all coming so we'll be everywhere soon unless you think that steven is cheating. It's i father thank you. Yeah it's not for me clogging up the system really want to give vaccine the vaccination guys know just give it to chick-fil-a the whole state would be done already. Their act together. Don't they are amazing. Yeah it's really quite amazing. All right well then more coming up all right thanks fully. Sorry planted that seed. That's what happens killing me. You're there you like. Yeah you one of those gods chicken sandwiches and give me a vaccine. Imagine the girl with the ipad. Roll up your sleeves. We're not quite there yet. But i don't see that happening but anyway it's it's coming slowly but surely and speaking of the governor and by the way these florida morning show this jen. I'm bill diener over there. The governor made a big big speech yesterday and then he followed that up with us. An appearance of tucker carlson last night protecting floridians against big tech big tech censorship. I it's a little bit more than censorship to canceling culture. Let's say it's in. it's just i. Betcha has a lot to do with parlour and how parlor was run out of the world and then all of these politicians whose websites were just or their their facebook pages or twitter account just annihilated l. laura luma example of that yet boy. She missed it by a couple years to have not having this governor in place all that stuff but still you know you never know. He talked about it mainly the main. Yeah and there is a personal aspect of this because he is a politician obviously didn't wanna get cancelled. He's trying to run again but the main things protecting especially small business owner. I really really worry when you have a business owner. That may rely on some of these tools to do small business. If they engage in wrong thinker they go to the wrong political event then all of a sudden they can act in concert. And just take take you off. You need to have protection against that if you think he's exaggerating or you think that's never gonna happen. You need to wake up because it's already here late last year later. Twenty twenty we had the story about yelp in their their pilot program to have not only business review for you to put you online a social justice review. How how are you doing as a company on this which means there's always a step be right. Which means if somebody dislikes you. All they have to do is say that you're not woke. You're not progressive. you're not in. They can start throwing the our word at you and you're a targeted a businessperson and business in a physical location and your employees are targeted. It's a dangerous dangerous pat in. Yeah what's to stop your competitor absolute saying okay You guys over here. Go over to you. Know store be over there. S right wipe out. Tell them they You know as an african american you went in and they wouldn't serve you right. Exactly you're gonna say it's all you gotta say doubts that anymore because that's that's the narrative that they push in the media that's horrible. It's horrible and it's scary. But he had you know vista say about two. He was right he had the had the gall so they're going to try to cancel him now to bring up the hundred biden story. How are they they mentioned. The hunter biden hunter biden. Story was true. Okay we now know was true and the typical corporate media outlets. They just chose to ignore it. Obviously they wanted to beat trump. they had They had a view on the election. They didn't wanna give it any air they disappear soy's that's worse than fake news. That's like disappearing news because it it would have been damaging. Now what would it would it. Well what was that. Survey that you had was at rasmusen. They asked biden. Voters people who voted for biden. If they'd known about hunter biden before the election. How many of them said they wouldn't majority even know about the story. Of course it would have changed their vote or at least it would have made them think twice about it. Of course it would've that was an incredibly damaging that should have been disqualifying that whole story with hunter biden and the china connection in the russia. Barista connection to without a ten percent for the guy that was a huge story and they made it go away. You're getting paid by a communist nation. Wow that being the big guy and he shows up. hunter biden. Shows up at the inauguration lake He's a daddy's best friend and no one says a word no problem either way. He went to church last sunday with his father. He went to hunter. Biden was in the limousine with the president on the way back from church. He asked the motorcade to take a detour so he could go by bagels so they really have done the entire presidential motorcade. So hundred biden get bagels hunter by with the church. That's the shocking part very the lead. Well maybe maybe. Maybe he stayed in the car. I don't know how it was. After church. he put on holy water six so yeah. I don't know but who us hasn't. It hasn't delayed a motorcade to buy bagels. his father allowed it. Oh sure we'll go around the block a blocks out of the way so you can go get bagels to mazing. Please amazing thing. I don't think the governor's going to go out of his way to protect this guy though he who is just it's always you know what dopes like this make the job. Easier for the cops florid dope of the day. Hey man go to port. Richey was that north of tampa bay. The always tell me the inuit what was is close as at sarasota. Oh it's a couple of hours okay. Never mind it's a wild scene over there though. I've never been to port richey so twenty two year old guy. Matthew lee them from port ritchie arrested over the weekend called nine one one to try to find a ride home. He was a mess. They found we'd on them but whatever. He was charged marijuana position. No big deal but misuse of nine. One one is actually a bigger deal right. Did you call nine one one for a ride. Exactly wisey the poster child for the floor dope. Yeah his mugshot is fantastic. I'm almost thinking we should put this on the morning show blog. He literally has a map of the state of florida tattooed between his eyes. Oh come on. He has all right. It's excellent wide appeal. I think it's actually pretty good work to i. Don't i don't get it myself. But okay crowd holy cow. He's like the like he should be what you think of when you think of florida or florida man he. He's it to me. Actually admire this. Just whenever a year about this stuff i think of like the actual tattoo appointment. You go in your reserve your time online. Yeah what do you want. What the state of. Florida between my. Wow well super bowl stuff to talk about next about that. We got Prop bets get over. Those wonderful and bob kraft owner. The patriots made a very very cool gesture. He did do. Nice things it's coming up next south florida morning. Show this jen. i'm bill keep it here. Thank you very much karen. We'll hear from you again. Just a couple of minutes. These sale florida morning show news stuck eight fifty w. f. t. l. There's jen i'm bill and there's diener over there and one aspect you know what i haven't even thought of. This is just a news story that popped up from comments about the vaccine in pregnant. People haven't even thought about this yet because we've been focusing on dinner over there who's trying to get an appointment for his dad to get the vaccine. But it's i mean the you know the requirements in the Qualifications for younger people are gonna happen. Regarded are going to be pregnant women getting the vaccine but he says no red flags whatsoever have been found in any research. I you know what if i were pregnant. I don't know if i'd get it it's interesting. I wonder if that's gonna be a tough sell to that the population but he says no problem whatsoever. The nothing is raised any concerns. Okay he is also the same man who said you don't have to wear a mask and covid nineteen so i could be a problem for the united states so i take his drew. Take it with a grain of salt. I and i'm not ragging on faucher. I'm just saying you know. He's given different information each and every day in in his his comments changed dramatically. Diakite there directly opposed to what he just said two days ago. So you like the double masks flip flopped on that like you know. I know kids. If you're eighteen and older you can get one of the vaccines and if you're sixteen and older you can get the other vaccine but if you're under sixteen you can't get any of them so if that's the case then why is it safe for a baby. Don't know that that's you know i. I don't know. I mean that's great. News of it is but still. I understand your concern. Does this surprise you. I guess it shouldn't. According to foul ci about ten thousand pregnant women in the us have been vaccinated already. Oh no that doesn't well are. They considered high risk. Because they're pregnant. They gotta be healthcare workers to think i don't know carolina just got her second one sick as a dog really. Yeah shed very bad reaction so Look of sick like flu really. It's like you get the flu for a couple of days. So hopefully she's better day. Kushka work tonight. I'll make you better get better. Quick interesting diener though is a tough time. When did they say you. You're trying to get an appointment for your dad. Yeah it's nothing happening through. The public site hasn't gone well. Unfortunately but you know we're we're going to try and friday and we're going to get back on their seventy and that's the big change for us to try and at six. Am like i've been it's now at seventy and the window opens like you're you're in here at five. Am one o'clock in the afternoon. Right willy. nilly over there now and and but you know what there may be some promise in that cvs and walgreens million doses will be Sent out to walgreens and cvs across the country next week and they're saying maybe the western communities would start seeing the vaccines available on thursday wednesday. So if you're in a western community and that's good but it also means i would assume that walgreens and cvs and other parts of the state are going to have him so maybe that's another option b. everywhere. Yeah yeah thinking like the next month that is. It's going to be like okay. In instead of saying lottery. Tickets sold here. Covid nineteen vaccine absolutely right and like at seven eleven. Get a slurpee and a shot exactly. Why not dairy queen. Getting blizzard no shot. The vaccine. don't say that they destroyed the dairy queen near meow. So sorry maybe you can still get needed. Yeah maybe it'd be a vaccination. Plays all right well when Diener is not trying to get an vaccinated for his For his dad. He's putting this stuff up on line. And i gotta tell you i have now watched this four times and you. It really does call for the visual on this to see the new press secretary. Jen psaki give her comment to a space force question because the the facial expressions she makes really sells the condescending attitude. So true is a bad mistake. It doesn't look good. This is not going well at all. Simple question you'll hear the reporter as just asking for an update right on keeping or keeping the scope of space force. Wow space force. It's the plane of today is an interesting happy to check with our space force. Point of contact. And that is. I will find out and see if we have any update on that Go ahead go. Talk to the commander in chief your boss. Yeah there's a couple things in there that are sitting well with a lot of people first of all. Wow space force. The you're talking about a branch of military here. The time for the condescension is not that. I don't know more. Yeah you know it's it's you could tell that she was like why even bother and asking me about this. The members of the space force who inevitably will be traveling to the moon. I know but. I think you're you agree with me. This starlink thing where we got to launches tomorrow morning where they put up satellites. You know once a week. We're trying to get satellites up there. I think it's far more than free. Internet service this is a we are in a space right now. Its military one to beat china too early space to you control that you control the earth you do. That's just a fact piano. And i think i got a feeling these starlink satellites are going to play a major role in that. And then yeah you don't know the contact person Commander in chief do not know who that is. The president of the united states. Maybe she was talking about. There's a general that she's supposed to talk to or you know. I don't know that's like saying but it's like god. It's like having an army ranger question. Well i don't know to contact from the army. Bul i'll circle back and get information to you. But at the same token the man asked the question because the president at the time had just said no. We're gonna keep space force. Somebody had asked him in. I guess he's gonna sign another executive order that sends their stay and he was like no. No no space force isn't going anywhere but she didn't know that she know he whether he didn't tell her maybe that's his fault but she should know she's not good she's not. She's challenged in this position. There's no doubt about it and then she was bad backlash yesterday went on for our eighteen. Pm last night she tweets out. We look forward to continuing work of space force and invite the members of the team to come visit us in the briefing room. Timeshare update on the important work. This this is what they say like boy scouts by your for a tour of the white house. They'll they'll tell the super bowl team that wins. The white house have a good time. She's how old is she doing now. Thirties forties thirties. I i think it's it's a generational thing i really do. She's out of that. Whole generation of entitlement kayleigh. Mcenany wasn't like that on it. She was good. She was good. I'll and if you try to say that. This girl sue. So i always want to call her cookie because a true lies sake site whatever and what was a true blood. What was the name of that. Blood jen psaki by the way. She's forty two kids does she. she's unfortunately i think she's above her head and this one. I think she has a new secretary. Did you say super bowl couple minutes ago. It's wednesday before the sunday of super bowl. Which means the profits are coming out. You're ready. yeah yes the gatorade one. We're kind of perplexed about this when we don't know why i guess it's mask related. Which coast is coach. Nostrils will be seen. I during the game. I would assume that's the only reason they're saying that because if they got a mask on you don't see the knows. He also don't see their mouth. So i would think coaches are really happy because they can freely shared with. The play is stolen by the team across the field. But i'm going bruce arians because i think Andy reid is locked into that new mess. Got what is like the duck bill mask. Yeah yeah it's like kansas city chiefs kendall something you buy off betsy city chiefs fabric but it looks like it. Looks like a duck. Bill like grandkids. Make it. I'm telling you bruce arians is kind of sloppy so i could see that happening to him. I mean but this dumb telling you may on this. Andy reid mask gets stuck on his face. It ain't coming on it now so he doesn't have the plastic thing the shield windshield the patent any read shield from week. One is gone very sad to fog up super bowl. Halftime show is always a medley and we learned last week that the weekend the performance a bunch of hits so how many songs will be in his medley. The line is eight. You taking the over or under under i'm going under. I'm going under five. That's a lot of song fit in eight. How long does the show Twelve to thirteen minutes now. He's not seeing that many songs. Yeah 'cause you can have a medley but you still then single out songs to write bits of each one. Yeah montage right. Just go at this. There's a sixty seven percent chance over the eight really. That's what they're saying. This is vegas diener all right. Don't doubt vegas. They're also they they also have liked odds-on who's going to show up because traditionally you know like when beyond say was there though she's going to have x. show up you know is because i don't think by himself. The weekend is strong enough to carry. Now he needs a day of the week in there to join them. Friday stopping by our day is the leading favourite to stop if they do not starter. Not that i know of florida. Maybe that's why. Yeah that's it and laura dick. No because you'll have the estevan show up. If that's the case everywhere. Gordon related god love but still i mean come on and just one more thing which will be higher. Brady's passing yards in super bowl. Fifty five or game stops closing price on. That's a good one. I'm going to brady's tell you more super bowl stuff coming up next. The governor's press conference a lot of stuff. It's on its way. The south florida morning. Show this gen. Keep it here and it's almost news time carrying. You're ready i already. You probably already kids back to school yesterday right here. In in our area your kids they go to special schools right when you put it like that daniels mostly online and i have another child successfully raise karen this inequality in the middle of the state. Hey yeah ok well anyway. Kids are on that short bus. Bit the lamport new york city schools though are back in class and they have a foot of snow as well so there at school. What are they doing in chicago. Yeah thing i dunno just putting together music videos. The teachers are. i don't know. I don't know it's crazy not going back to school. I don't think they are really. Don't glad so. Maybe in the summer they'll start school for last year. Oh my don't even get me. Goal is really horror that means these kids unfortunately and and you know what the teachers as well but the kids are gonna suffer won't get a vacation ever. They're not gonna break anywhere. No it probably a lot of them are going to be held back. And i'm telling you it's common when might be months from now or next year but we're going to get that survey from the teacher's union again. That says well. Our kids are falling behind the rest of the nation. Don't send don't wanna hear it. No nope got unions in chicago. La refusing to go back to school. Know how are they ever going to be able to build solar panels if they go to school. Learn to code windmill windmill maintenance. Maintenance people But the sad story tucker headed on. Last night tucker. Carlson had one kid that killed himself committed suicide. His mom got a message from somebody. It was just horrendous Just a horrible evil mean message about her son that he deserved to be dead if he couldn't handle it. It was just nausea. Saying what's wrong with people. i god anyway. That mark care we'll see renews ten minutes away nine and a half minutes away south florida morning show gen bill diener over there too. Speaking of tucker last night he also had governor to on talking about his new policy. Well it's trying to make it. Policies introducing legislation to protect floridians from big tech censorship and bullying and canceling. and it's. it's a brilliant idea. Especially you know what we laura. Luminous probably jumping for joy right now she was ban off. Everything might Twitter for life right facebook for life do anything is it too late. She missed the boat. I would have been a benefited from this. It should be interesting if you're grandfathered in if you've already been canceled odd the but the governor an in when does this go before the legislature state senate. That's the the question the state capital. But i'm sure it's going to pass and he's looking at finding these companies like the twitter's of the world facebook of the world one hundred thousand dollars a day was right. That's great well and and it's an it's just for all the election commercials and all the campaigning start for the midterms and listen. You know. obviously there's another benefit here. He is going to be running for governor again so obviously he doesn't want to get cancelled up social media so you know there is that too because he says he's been threatened as well. There's a there's threats on me and the only gets taken down if law enforcement goes and tells tells them to do it otherwise it just stays up there not moderating any of that. I think this is another right. After effect took some time to get legislation together but another affected by product from this election. Is we saw what happened with big interference. We they're admitting it. Well in in pittsburgh you know. And what's the other guy saying from twitter. I couldn't never think of his name but door. Cd's remember they went to capitol hill. We don't censor anything. We let free speech reno ring out whether you're a conservative or a democrat. Then you found out and had nothing to do with that if you had a conservative voice they squelched you this right or just cancel you or get you back to the point where you're just threatened by these woke groups you know the party of tolerance will come after you. Now please stop. Here's To santa's with the greatest line on earth so we rely on social media to go around that not let corporate legacy media outlets control the discourse and he was talking about one hundred story which was great. That if if he wasn't governor would get canceled. You can't even bring up the biden. You know suppression story. Hunter biden had a job with the company for a communist country that paid him hundreds of thousands of dollars a year maybe millions and he had no he had no experience in the only way he got the job because daddy was vice president of the time they proved this and the story went away in like a matter of forty eight hours go at him massive impact in that election. You're trying to tell me if there was hacked information that could damage me. You guys wouldn't print it. Give me a break. You can wiz on my leg but don't tell me it's raining you guys would print it every single day if you could and big tech would allow it to proliferate every single day twenty seven twenty four seven right about. Now you're driving ninety five. What did he say. Yeah you're right give me a break. You can wiz on my leg but don't tell me it's raining. That's hysterical shirt by five pm. That's the greatest line in the world. You can give me give me a break. You compete on my leg. Tell me it's raining is here you go. You know that. And that must be. Where was he. Born is jacksonville. guy is he. Maybe that was popular in jacksonville. Easy was growing up. That's like a geographical phrase that people use good for him. We all need to use that three times today. Okay that's everybody's homework you can p in my leg but don't tell me it's raining outside. That's great Another governor related issue. We've got the the the pushing for thirty thousand fans at raymond james stadium for the game. Not bad it's twenty five now from seventeen by the. What do you think the nfl had something to do with this to santa's had something to do with governor's got to approve it but this is this is all the nfl. So the five thousand from the twenty eight already announced this is the free tickets for the vaccinated healthcare workers absolutely. So it's making the nfl look good and so those tickets that we watch gronk giveaway yesterday or in this case the owner of your favorite football team. Yeah exactly. this is from that five thousand allotment. I think is. Bob kraft has taken some new england healthcare workers and he's flying him down on aircraft one. That's amazing patriots break. That means again hotel to now without a dozen nice. He's paying for all of it. Here's weekend here's other call went. I ever one tom. God robert kraft. What are you guys still in this league. Would you like to go to the super bowl. Are you kidding. Seventy six tickets away. That's pretty cool. I have a you know. These people should not win an emmy for their great performances. Or bob kraft for that matter but what he did was way cool. I mean that's way cool. So does tamp on disparage their reaction to weed out the batsman he was about to bob. Why liberty go to this radio station this morning and we tell you buy crafts on the phone. You'd be like i wouldn't be just like that maleness. Well bob kraft. Are you kidding me. No i know how much you love that team and how much you adore that man for things he does. But that's cool though there's a lot of oh there's a lot of it's going to be tampa area. People healthcare workers this nationwide. Obviously but i don't know how many teams are getting flown down in their private plane. That's pretty cool. Nice deal. I heard the jets are. They're coming down on a bus. Because you guys greyhound. You're terrible all right. we got some eight. We got a couple of launches tomorrow to talk about. And i'll be up for both actually got more super bowl stuff. To prop bets and dolly. Parton go wrong with that. I love you what we need to look at to the other super bowl commercial the the growth of the miracle gro on. It's really good miracle gro. It's really good right. That more coming up next south florida morning. Show this jam bill. Keep it here.

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Encore Episode - The Doomsday Couple: A Court TV Special

"The views and opinions expressed in. This podcast are simply that opinions. All are presumed innocent until proven otherwise in a court of law sensitive topics are discussed. Discretion is advised. Tv podcast listeners. Court tv anchor. Ted rowlands here to introduce a special edition of the podcast for you this week and audio replay of a show. We premiered on court. Tv called the doomsday. Kabul court tv. Special this is an in depth. Look at one of the most compelling an convoluted stories. We've seen here at court tv. That of the so-called doomsday cult. Mom laurie valo debacle bell and her husband. The self proclaimed prophet chad label. This newlywed couple is surrounded by death. Chad's first wife lorries ex husband. Laurie's brother and worst of all her. Children tyler ryan and j j valo in this special court. Tv's channel paints her. I will walk you through the timeline of this case which has grabbed national attention and is sure to be one of the biggest legal stories. We cover on court. Tv in the coming months. Have a listen. The casey anthony case parallel that to this. Except i think it's a bigger case. Bob not charles hundred who you are what you do with old consumer you. Now we're gathering together as saints as brothers and sisters at preparing for the second coming of christ serious health. I want her to get your news. Writing turns out turned around in the back of the head with a bat. I my room got my gun. How long have you lived here. Three weeks did respond to tend to death. Bill and tammy dave l. was deceased rexburg. Police knocked on this door conducting a welfare checked only defined lori and her new husband. Chad table were nowhere to be found. Where your kids. They've been missing for four months. You have nothing to say every minute of every day were not saying something. It's a slap in the face where my brother and sister can't be the answer. Tell us where the kids are. That's all i want to know. Nothing clinton dental. And i think there are way too. Many coincidences going on. Welcome to the doomsday couple court. Tv special. i'm court tv anchor. Ted rowlands the story of laurie. Valo and chad day bell is a twisted combination of religion love and murder for investigators. It began with two missing. Children ended with five people. Dead and a small community in eastern idaho left wondering why rexburg idaho surrounded by the teton and sawtooth mountains sits ninety minutes from the western entrance of yellowstone national park. The people living in this section of eastern idaho say they're closer than most in part because nearly everyone living here is mormon probably the area were. Lds the mo- majority of us. And i think that probably something that draws us all together so in november of two thousand nineteen. when news. that two children from a local mormon family were missing. It immediately grabbed people's attention. Nate sunderland is the managing editor of the east idaho. News people interested in the story right from the beginning. We don't normally get missing kids news releases that are like this and it just it just continued to get bigger and bigger sixteen year old kylie ryan her little brother seven-year-old. Jj valo smiles now on a missing poster hadn't been seen in weeks and their mother lori valo apparently wasn't cooperating with police typically when missing persons reported it's the parents that call us and so when we posted this story i think people immediately knew something was fishy. The fbi was brought into help and the story started to spread far beyond eastern idaho as the investigation continues into the disappearance of her two younger children along with the fbi. Expert police have asked multiple other agencies throughout the us to join in on the investigation. The story of the missing children. Jj entirely didn't just stay in the local east idaho news it took off around the nation and the king was at their mother diesel blonde. Laurie valo is seemingly unconcerned. Changes grandparent's lower and k woodcock were the first to sound the alarm. The woodcock had a special relationship with j. J. j. was in a neonatal. Icu because he was born pounds fourteen ounces and he was Ten weeks premature baby and you know just follow allows. You migrate immediately. Jj was adopted by charlton. Laurie valla when he was one but before that he lived with his grandparents. Cayenne larry. he's autistic. They have issues. Charles oregon in the special schools is intelligence. Smell was unbelievable. Even after they were adopted the grandparents kept very very close connection with. Jj they escaped all the time. Charles valid died in july of two thousand and nineteen after he passed. The would cox and laurie had a falling out. But larry and k still desperately wanted to see or at least talk to jj but lori had essentially cough communication. I was emailing her and begging her. Please just we will fly to arizona. We're an hour. The fallout between laurie in the woodcock partially over money. A million dollars before charles valid died. He switched the beneficiary to his life insurance policy from laurie to his sister. Kay i didn't ask you that. He did because he knew our red. Jj are sharing. The woodcock haven't heard from jj ballot for weeks for months. They get concerned. There used to hearing from the seven year old on facetime and videos and phone calls. They're trying to call him. They aren't getting through. their concern. Eventually grows to the point that they contact the chandler arizona. Police department that call from larry and k woodcock would set off what would become a months long search for jj and his sister kylie police track down the children's mother lori in rexburg idaho where he'd been living for nearly three months. There was no sign of jj or tighly but lori wasn't living alone brother. Alex had also moved to rexburg at the same time and was renting a unit in the same complex and in the apartment. Next door to laurie. Her niece melody who drove. Who had come to expert. Along with alex and laurie leaving her children behind in arizona. Floor pinball please. This is a recording of the first and only interaction. Between laurie and police. Talking about the whereabouts of her children loner. My brothers soldiers with them. One of my friends and laurie would tell police that. Jj was with a woman named melanie and his sister kylie was off at college then to ramble stranded county and he's kind of my protector even brought up and the million dollars american seniors. And how all these kids together life insurance policy to her and got million dollars he died. And we've got nothing from ray day and all the kids got nothing that day. Police also had a strange interaction with lorries. New husband chad day. Bill who that. I claimed he didn't know the phone number. It was obvious that something was wrong so the next day police return with a search warrant and her new husband chad or gone. There was food in the refrigerator. Food pantry everything had been taken off the hangers and there was no close in the dresser drawers when they returned to the home. She's nowhere to be found her friends. Her family don't know where laurie valo is. Y'all know more than i want breath by the first week of december two thousand nine nineteen just days after the unsuccessful. Welfare check on seven-year-old. Jj valo an all out search was underway for both jj and his older sister kylie ryan. The children's mother glory valve. Who told police that. Jj was in arizona entirely was in college at vanished along with her new husband chad table. We attempted several times to get a hold of laurie and her cell phone. We're shut off how we attempted to get hold of chad and never return gotten in your return phone calls. In fact they retained. An attorney refused to answer any questions. Investigators quickly determined. That tyler was never enrolled in college and laurie's arizona. Friend melanie. gabe originally lied to police. She confessed saying she never had. Jj she was only covering for her friend lori. She told me that the police had been. They're asking for her and that she told the police that i had jj that. I was a movie called frozen weeks. Would go by with no significant leads and by early january concern. For the children's safety was growing. Larry and k woodcock. Jj's grandparents were doing everything they could to keep the story alive please. For god's sake please please. Days are beautiful young children. We want them back. This is coby ryan laurie. Valley's oldest son entirely ryan's half brother on able to get a hold of his mother. He posted an emotional plea to laurie on youtube. I'm your son. I would never want anything to you. Never want anything to happen tyler. Ever i know you know the right thing to do is and i know that you have a good heart so i know that simon bright seeing more evaldo is on her fifth marriage or third marriage to joseph in tyler's father and in two thousand and four joseph ryan died in two thousand eighteen of an apparent heart attack. Maurice fourth husband. Charles valo was a stabilizing force. Married for fifteen years. Laurean charles adopted. Jj together and helped raise tighly and kobe k. Woodcock is charles values sister. It was just a family unit and we were part of the unit and we loved each other. If somebody two years ago what said this is what's going to happen with lars. I would have never believed k. Would've never believed as the search for the kids and laurie and chad continued in mid-january. Nate sunderland managing editor of the east idaho news as they started getting a few tips. That in chad might be in hawaii. A place lori was very familiar with she and charles lived on the island of kawai for a few years with jj entirely police. We're gonna go there. And they were going to try to eat and make an arrest or try to force the issue coming back to eastern idaho. We were able to go. Did you do something to your children. Are your children's still alive. That's a simple question. I've got three kids of my own. I can tell you every minute where my kids are at where your children bay question them ten minutes and we only got one response The entire time. Listen just tell people what's happening. There's people around the country praying for your children praying for you guys. Why don't you give us answers. That's great that's great. That's great that they're praying for you praying for your kids what you have nothing to say. How infuriating that was for. Everyone watching sincerely concerned. It's almost as if the public's outrage and concern for the whereabouts italian. Jj outweighs the parents with laurie chad now located and why prosecutors back in idaho came up with a plan to bring laurie back by filing a child protection order her to bring her minor children to the expert police department or the department of health and welfare within five days of being served a few weeks later with still no sign of thailand. Jj laurie valo was taken into custody. I- hawaiian police was transported here to the quite police department headquarters and booked into our cell block where she stayed until she got into her court appearance earlier. This morning i and demand four your required item. Lawry's first court. Appearance was short. She arrived into court wearing plain clothes. And it's packed courthouse. The judge sets bill five million dollars but significantly her husband chad day. Bell is sitting just a few rows behind her white shirt. Blue tie concerned look on his face. Chad was there again in early march with. Laurie made her first court appearance back in madison. County idaho wearing red lipstick and in orange and white jumpsuit. Also there larry. And k woodcock and laurie son colby. My whole plan is to go figure out a way to actually speak with her and you know be able to get in front of her and just her son just lead with their oscar. Where italian jar can't be the answer. This is not about laurie guys. This is laurie telling us where those two kids are coming up to. Dead spouses chad. Debacles bell's wife asteria sleep dies just days before his marriage to laurie plus lorries ex husband charles. So what makes her a danger to herself into other murder me remain murderer you when the doomsday couple. A court tv special returns all new true crime series. These are the true story behind the triumph renown journalist. Actually benfield takes you kind. This seems of the most compelling cases in history we focus on the detail. We focus on evidence and investigates the murders lies and alibis. That led to justice in the courtroom is a new chapter in true crime judgment with ashley. Bent all new episodes sunday night at eight on court. Tv in march. Two thousand and twenty. Laurie valla was back in. Rexburg idaho or hawaiian beach close replaced with an orange and white jumpsuit or husband sheds still by her side supporting her. Drink horrid appearances. Meanwhile investigators still had no idea where her children were and frustration over lori and chad's refusal to produce tighly. Jj was starting to boil over. Have one question. Where are the kids at this point. It had been a couple months since anyone has seen. Jj entirely and it didn't look like their parents. Karen and she wasn't willing to say anything. Well expert police and the fbi. We're doing everything in their power to find thailand. Jj police in chandler arizona or investigating lori for another reason the death of her fourth husband. Charles valo There's a fight with my brother-in-law and shot him fence. It he heard or why not moving. That's laurie's brother. Alex cox calling nine one one in july of two thousand nineteen saying he had just shot and killed his brother-in-law charles. Valla coming out this way. When police arrived they find alex by himself. And laurie's newly rented home. I'm be to see right here on the curve inside. Is laurie valoise. Four husband charles dead on the living room floor. What happened today. how does it get to. Alex told the officers that charles came after him with a baseball bat. Saying it all started between laurie. And charles and thailand brought out a van and then your knees pulls out of that almost getting close on. She came out to convince my sister. Prevent your niece got him. Many took it away. Alex said laurie entirely left to take. Jj to store and it was then that charles came after him with that back. Turn around and eat in the back of the head with about so i went to my room. God my god you went to euro. Meaning room your stadium okay. You brought your abroad again winter. You always getting a gun then. Laurie entirely show. Are you. okay just stand over there for just a second down and it wouldn't be wiped to show. I said the article and he came at the back end so stop sitting on the sidewalk. Police come up. ask him what happens. And he just sort of an nonchalant way describes all my brother in law hit me in the back of the head with baseball bad. And i shot him in self defense really unemotional a cool as a cucumber lorries. Turn to talk to the police. Gotcha how long have you guys lived here attack. How long have you lived here three. Oh jeez yeah. Okay i gotcha like the story of what happened to charles and alex and laurie's demeanor was suspicious. An investigation immediately launched larry. Kate woodcock didn't believe it for a second serious married. I have ever heard in my life. That was a santa absolute set a murder for hire remember. K is charles valoise sister. She knew that charles and laurie were having problems. Charles had recently made k the beneficiary to his one billion dollar life insurance policy which lori was about to find out she ran across. I imagine she was searching for the of beneficiary. Form in charles lyles she had in arizona and she And she said five kids and no money and his sister gets everything. I should would lower alex. Communication lorries ex husband's death wasn't the only one being investigated in utah. The death of chad day bell's wife tammy was also raising suspicion. Suddenly tammy debacle chess. I y passes away in her sleep now. This is a forty nine year old woman. She's an avid runner and according to her friends and family was in good. Health seem to be in good spirits around the time of her debt which really raised a lot of eyebrows. Jed and tammy day built were married for twenty eight years before tammy's death five children they lived out in little old salem. He held religious positions and the lds ward. They were kind of quintessential latter day. Saint couple together chat and tammy started a book publishing company. Chad was a prolific writer. Authoring more than thirty books most of them about his past visions and the end of times like minded authors. Like chat. And tammy's friend. Julie rowe used the day bells publishing company for their after tammy's death. Something chad told julie about a vision that his wife would die now seemed suspicious. I did ask him chad. Do you still see tammy dying. And he said yes. I do also suspicious. Chad declined to have an autopsy performed on his wife and there was his behavior at tammy's funeral he recited many things that were not asked for and reconsidering the details of her death. He he told us what happened to her that morning. He told us that she had since been to visit him and helping him affairs in order giving him direction on how to how to handle certain children in their future and even where they should live what schools they should go to. He told us all this and just the space of two minutes at their funeral. He didn't stay there very long upbeat. He was talking to members of the family. Like nothing was wrong. It didn't seem like he didn't seem like it mattered. All that much most disturbing however just ten days. After tammy's death. Chad was on a beach in hawaii marrying his new wife lori. November fifth two thousand nineteen chad day bell and laurie valid changed wedding vows on a beach in hawaii chats wife tammy of twenty eight years and only been dead for two and a half weeks which for friends and family back in. Idaho was difficult to comprehend chad. Mary's this woman who is beautiful. She's blonde stench very athletic. It was bizarre that his wife or just and that he'd hook up with someone so quickly chad who according to court records received four hundred and thirty thousand dollars in life. Insurance money tried to explain his wife. Tammy's death to laurie's friend. Belen in a phone call she recorded sailing following and there was something else about tammy stash. That didn't seem right. Maury valo used her deceased husband. Charles gallos amazon account to order matching wedding rings. Seventeen days before. Chad abel's wipe passes away. How she no seventeen days before. Timmy day bill dies in her sleep at tammi. Davis wasn't going to die in her sleep that she has wedding rings prepared so that she can then marry chantey. Bill chattan lorries. Beach wedding came just over a year after they first met at a religious conference. Laurie's friend melody was also there. Chad was a featured speaker. You talked about the different visions of what he saw was going to happen. In the last days she adds visions which he claimed started after a near death diving accident when he was a teenager made him a celebrity of sorts within a small community of like minded. Mormons believed the end of the world. Was i've recently released. My autobiography entitled living on the edge of heaven where i tell more about my to near death experiences. He would have meetings with at people's homes where he would sort of promote his books. He would usually have twenty thirty people he would just talk about the ideas and his books and what he saw and envisions and they're enjoyable to listen to. I felt they were genuine in the lds faith. It is accepted for a person to have visions and chad was known for his six cents of things. They may come or may not come. It was a way really for him to connect with other like minded members of the mormon church to join together with him and share this common special ground. According to laurie's friend melanie laurean. Shed had an instant connection started communicating and seeing each other to discuss religion and chad's visions in december of two thousand eighteen. They were featured together in a religious podcast. We're gathering together as saints as brothers and sisters and preparing for the second coming of christ. It was obvious melnik job that there was some chemistry between chattan lori. And they were. They had a relationship that went beyond. Just they're doing podcast together and discussing the end of the world over the next few months borey was also starting to have visions and chad told friends that he had lived several past lives on different planets and that he and laurie at actually been married before the way he described it was that has val was more open than it had been and he started remembering some of his past lives then in early. Two thousand nineteen chat lorries beliefs. According to friends started getting darker and stranger including visions that certain people around them turned to sound beasts their bodies taken over by evil forces. One of those people was my husband. Charles valo religious stuff is gone way off the just off. Charles was so concerned about lorries behavior. He contacted police telling officers that lori believed charles had been taken over by zombie named nick. Schneider i'll try to sports. Good really robe all that we should celebrate says. I'm nick snyder. Taken over charles's body and charles killed. I'm gonna kill you being murdered today or tomorrow. I could do it hours. Your loss in charles also told the officers that lori and told him that she had special powers in a past life she had been married to the angel. Moroni the figure seen holding trumpet on top of many. Lds temples moral and the task. You think she's one who married tomorrow temple angel. Lds and she's most when the second comings nature scared okay. Six months later charles. Valo was dead coming up. Alex cox a lot of people. Believe that alex cox is like the family hidden as the bodies start piling up. One person seems to be connected to the mall. Alex cox was the person who fired that shot when the doomsday couple. A court tv special returns fato court. Tv live over the air uninterrupted. If you're watching television with an antenna just rescan your channels now to add tv and go to kotei dot com to see the exact channel position and more ways to watch court tv and your area by early march. Two thousand and twenty thailand. Jj had been missing for nearly six months lori was in jail. Chad was back in his family. Home in eastern idaho. Neither one we're talking. Investigators released these photos showing tighly. Jj lori and laurie's brother. Alex cox the images were taken on september eighth at yellowstone national park. They were the last evidence of tightly. Alive the fbi was now asking for anyone who is at the part that same day to check their photos and send them to investigators message from the fbi. That you know. They wanted more information for the public. It was very evident that there was a lot of information about this case. Maybe they couldn't quite piece together. What investigators did know was the last day both kylian. Jj were last seen and on both days. Laurie's brother alex cox was there. Is there in the yellowstone photos on september eighth and he was also there the last time. Jj was seen on september twenty second. This is doorbell camera. Video of jj running captured on september seventeenth the next week on the night of the twenty second. Laurie's friend melanie. Gabe was visiting lori. She brought her boyfriend. David warwick the three recording a religious podcast when alex cox walked in with jj. He was staying with alex and now brought him brought who carried him to bed but the next morning. Both alex and jj were gone and the explanation. That lorry gave was bizarre. Saying per son had turned into a zombie. She said he was being as ambi- climbed up on the cabinets claimed up on top of the fridge. Pitcher kreis down and then climbed up onto the upper cabinets and got between the top of the cabinet in the ceiling. I asked to see him and she just said that he was out of control so she had alex game remember. It was alex cox that killed lorries. Fourth husband charles valo claiming it was self defense. There was another incident. Possibly connected to alex cox in early october of two thousand nineteen melanie boudreau. What worries niece. Who moved to rexburg at the same time. As laurie and alex her soon to be ex husband. Brandit says somebody tried to kill him. Nine hundred one. Where's your emergency. Someone just shot my window. Come on shot at your vehicle. You get my window. Shattered my driver's side window brandon would had dropped off his kids. He was coming back from the gym to his house and as he pulled up to the curb. A shot came from a nearby jeep parked on the opposite side of the street. The bullet hit brandon's tesla missing his head by a few inches. The shooter's jeep with texas plates was registered to laurie. Valoise ex husband charles. Time been dead for more than two months. brandon says. He didn't get a good look at the shooter but believes he knows who it was. He believes that alex cox was the person who fired that shot. He knew that alex box was kind of family. Man and just fairly quickly came to the conclusion that it was alex cox. Around the same day brandon was shot at lori was seen with an unidentified male loading spare tire and what appears to be a vehicle seat in and out of a wreck storage unit also in october of two thousand and nineteen another suspicious. Shooting possibly tied to alex cox ten days before. Chad's wife tammy mysteriously died in her sleep. She called nine one one to report that she'd been shot at in her driveway. By a man wearing a mask she thought maybe it was a paintball gun but now a th authorities investigating tammy's death aren't so sure it was an indication that there may have been something else going on that maybe this might have been a first attempt to get her out of the picture and it just didn't work a lot of people. Believe that alex cox laurie's brother is like the family hidden in the family. Assassinate every time a body is found or there's a suspicious death. Alex cox seems to be the common linked to all of at time story together twelve years before he killed glories fourth husband charles. He served three months in a texas jail for attacking lorries. Third husband joseph ryan. According to the police report. Alex cox used a stun gun on joseph ryan and threatened to kill him while accompanying laurie during a child custody exchange. Alex would actually joke about it years later during an open mic comedy routine. The right was a felony. Alex cox was a possible suspect insurance. Valoise death tammy day bell's death the shooting a bread and boudreau and the disappearances of both tighly engaging of course the connection between alex cox and all of these people was his sister. Laurie they had a very close relationship. When they moved to rexburg he was in the same apartment complex and we know that he also believed the same sort of religious things that lori was believing then december twelfth two thousand nineteen another nine one one call someone else was dead. Nine one one. Where is your emergency. Have named holly. He's martin my bathroom on the same day that investigators were zooming the body of tammy debut lb alex cox mysteriously ended up dead. The official pause death was a pulmonary. Embolism children were still missing. And now one of the main suspects in their disappearance was gone spring. Turn to the summer of two thousand and twenty in rexburg idaho. There was still though sign of the missing children kylie ryan n. Jj it had been eight months. Since they'd last been seen their mother lori valla had been in jail since february and her new husband. Chad day bell was not cooperating with police. The couple's bizarre religious beliefs included the thought that the end of the world was coming very soon. within weeks. people had to ideas. They thought either. The children are gone and they did or they thought that these guys are just crazy preparation. There's the bunker somewhere where these kids are being kept By friends or family friends say chatted. Laurie believed that. Not only was the end of the world coming but when it happened in july twenty twenty they would be leading the one hundred and forty four thousand chosen ones mentioned in the bible the book of revelation chapter in which it talks about. How when when jesus comes back to the earth or or an anticipation of that and there will be twelve thousand elders or members from each of the twelve tribes of israel. And so when you do twelve times twelve thousand. That's how you get to one hundred and forty four thousand chattan. Laurie also aleve that evil spirit had taken over the bodies of people around them calling them zombies lor even her friend melody. Give that per own children. Jj entirely zombies according to melanie tighly overheard her mother talking about it on the phone. What's most sad about the situation. Is that kylie heard the conversation. She knew their mother thought. It seems to me into zombie and and she actually said no mom it. It's not me that was probably one of the most heartbreaking pieces of evidence to realize that the sixteen year old girl who's been living this life with her mother. She knows what is obvious. She knows what it means to be overtaken by a dark spirit. She knows what her mom believes. What chan believes and what that may mean for her then. I'm june ninth. Almost nine months to the day after tyler was last seen rexburg police and the fbi served a search warrant on chad. They bells home. They searched the property before during the winter when the ground was frozen now they were back interested specifically in the backyard. I observed the evidence response recovery team and also cadaver dogs working the entire backyard so they worked the pond area and then the had marked off the inside the backyard. Something stood out in the pod area on the north side of the property. Fresh sod on top of several rocks beneath rocks. Some paneling is. suzy removed. Paneling i could smell the odor of decomposing body it was. Jj seven year. Old's body was buried in chad day. Bell's backyard wrapped in plastic and duct tape in. I cut through the white plastic. That's when the possible human hair started coming out onto my hands. And and that was the point where we determine this is human remains. Then they started digging in a pet cemetery which chat had talked about in this suspicious text conversation with his late wife. Tammy on september ninth. The day after tyley was last seen alive. I've had an interesting morning. Says chad tammy i felt i should burn all the limb debris by the firepit before it got to soaked by the coming storm while i did so. I spotted a big raccoon along the fence. I hurried and got my gun and he was still walking along. I got close enough. That one shot did the trick. He is now in our pet cemetery fun times. When investigators dug up the pet cemetery they found tighly dismembered and burnt. The head already dug down and located. What would appear to be a mass of bir flesh and bone earlier that morning before the remains were located chad day. Bell was watching the evidence response team in his backyard. When he received a call from the madison county jail his wife lori was calling to say hello to a property again. What an explosive phone call. Not a lotta said and not a lot can be understood in the conversation but what is explosive is how they're talking. You can hear the concern in chad's voice. You can tell that he's nervous. Try to call you later after the phone call from lori chad decided to take off. He was picked up and arrested by investigators immediately after they found the first set of remains remains were discovered chatty to custody the community in eastern idaho that had feared the worst but held out. Hope that the children would be found. Safe was heartbroken. It's crazy to see what's actually happened. And what's kind of came out of this and it's just so devastating especially for the family just hours after the fbi and the police release the crime scene. The debut property back to the family. You could start to see spectators community members driving up and leaving flowers. Teddy bears note cards and as the hours went by as the days and weeks point. Five this memorial with photos grew almost a link of the sense lying down the day bell property april. Raymond laura's good friend from hawaii who knew the children very well traveled to idaho to pay her respects. I hope that a are held accountable. And whatever the state of idaho feels that the punishment should be. I feel comfortable with that or people that were in. Our family are dead. There comes a point where you gotta wake up and realize there's some either mental illness there. Some evil influence there at some point. You're going to have to come to that realization that you can't live in this. Pretend bubble that you believe in anymore. It's gotta pop essentially because you're not going to come out of jail. You're going to be there for the rest of your lives. For and chad their prediction of july end of the world has come and gone. They remain in jail awaiting trial their story of love religion and death as so many unanswered questions among them. Why did so many people including two innocent children have to die. We may learn some answers as to why so many people had to die and who is responsible in early two thousand and twenty one. When and laurie are scheduled to go on trial. We will be there to watch it all unfold here on fourteen. I'm ted rowlands. Thanks for watching this. Podcast is production of court. Tv good court. Tv dot com for more content trials on demand and to find out how to watch court tv in your area

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20VC: Are VCs Still Open For Business, How VCs Attitude To Risk Has Changed & The 2 Most Valuable Assets To Founders Today with Fred Destin, Founding Partner @ Stride VC

"Now this is a very special episode of the twenty. Vc FOR A couple of reasons. First and foremost it's with my best friend and business partner. Fred Destin date is one of the biggest privileges of my life to get to work alongside him and then second. Because we're focusing focusing on covert the landscape today and what it means for the investment mindset for those that don't know Fred Fred. My Co founded stride together and start as one of Europe's newest and largest early stage seed firms products and founding stride. I was a general partner at Excel where he was the lead investor and board member delivery pill pack which was acquired by Amazon for a billion dollars and call while prior to excel. He was a partner at Atlas Venture. Now accomplice why. He invested in and served on the board of pill. Pack Zoo which showed secret escapes integral ad science which had a partial exit Vista for eight hundred fifty million dollars and the currency cloud to name a few fun fight on for his portfolio has a total enterprise value of more than ten billion dollars that he generated an accent of seven hundred million dollars in accidentally as investors. But that's quite enough for me so now. I'm very excited time. They were to Fred Destined Founding Paul Stride. Vc You have now arrived at your destination. Fried my dear friend as it is one of my biggest. Jewish to what with you so delighted commissioner for Third Time but thank you so much for joining me once again. Friday. It's my pleasure to be here. I would love to kick off saying I don't pretend like I've never heard this before. But for those have maybe missed our prior episodes. How did you make your way into adventures and funny wants me to ask? How did you come to Co found stride? Well I have one of the worst by grounds of anybody you know in venture capital given that During the tubes but one day I was actually working Goldman Sachs on the hiding the deficit of through long-dated swaps in decided. I'd had enough of it than I jumped into. The world entrepeneurship incentive about risk decided to go right into seat investing and the good news. I've never looked back since and Monday has never felt like Monday's so I've found my passion my crafts which I'm very grateful for and one day. This young man was hustling his way into my office at the slam. The door in his face again. Back in through the window in his name Harris- Stebbins and we sat down at Excel at the time. And you had the most electrifying interview which was followed by a couple of hours of discussion at fooled. Wow what an incredibly deep thinker and charming person and that my friend was used. I mean I am so touched burning story from my ego TCI. You're welcome to stroke when I left. Excel in your tummy to. We had this bizarre moments where each of us came to the other and said Hey I'm thinking about starting a seed fund and you know on occasion in Life Stars are actually aligned in. This is one of those moments. So Gary grateful to be here with you and absolutely was one of those special moments and that. Monday never feels like a what day for me either. Pumpkin but I do want to dive into day. I want to start from a macro is back. They've really and so if we think about why. Stay in the army. If you twitter you'll see the countless VC tweets of hate worry proof of business but really it's the market still open for business in your mind fresh. If you're sitting on a mountain of dry powder right now you will absolutely be doing deals so deals are getting done term sheets getting honored however it's I believe extremely unhelpful for founders to go out there with a message that says we are open for business as usual because nothing about this as usual. Everything's changed another paramount for founders to understand exactly why and how this is will behave in a recession bottom line is expect deal volumes to drop precipitously this cool to and next week as you said about deal volumes dropping that but I think the scales. It's just so hard to gauge especially in this situation. So how could this really get in your mind? You think well one of the problems here is that to be honest. We don't know there is no macroeconomic model that is able to predict what type of storm we're heading into and we have to many unknowns about anything from testing to essential solutions to realistic time it's GonNa take prospection et Cetera but primarily. All Amato's alarm frameworks are broken. A little bit as what happened to derivatives in the two thousand eight two thousand nine crisis and so in world of uncertainty is very hard to make decision what we do know which is unparalleled for any of that we head a economic shock that hits effectively trade globalization travel. Which is what our entire counties built on in one. Go so you're hitching demand. You're eating supplied soon after that you're hitting working capital. Jv Morgan reported that. Snb's says working capital twenty six days and then soon after Dandruff it's in credits so we have a combined set of issues. They're all coming together at the eleven year bull market so that's unprecedented which explain why the unemployment numbers are unprecedented. And by the way we made our social fabric more fragile in the last twenty years and putting a lot of people in Missouri precarious position retirement out. That's all coming home to roost. There is a silver lining in this. Some people mentioned the great depressions who twenty nine onwards which is governments have really learned how to act in these types of scenarios. And so you're seeing the stimulus packages being rolled out very aggressively. So that is very different from what we've seen in the great recession. However there's a lot of concerns on that front too so we've been hooked on. Qe quantitative easing for a long time. People say governments can do Does matter we've taken interest rates down to zero in most countries cases. Negative long-term yields or used to be and we don't have a lot of natural levers for the government dragged onto your effectively relying almost entirely on government's printing money and actively throwing away any form of physical prudence particularly been compounded by the fact that US today tax cuts. There was probably unnecessary in seventeen in December. Seventeen right when the economy was booming. So we're starting this from a particularly bad place so one of the concerns. And this is a deflationary. Shocker the macro level. There's no question but actually if that's the prevented narrative one of the possibilities here is that inflation could come back because at some point the Chinese are GonNa stub buying government bonds. Us and you might see. You must start with steepening yield curve than potentially have what I used to know in Belgium in the nineteen eighties nineties which is spiralling debt level. Because we're fixing to get snowball effect on the public debt. So the bottom line is we don't know these are just my set of assumptions Non-jury columnists and I don't think any of us are able to predict one thing. I can tell you. Optimism is appropriate. Even when we don't have a clue. Yeah now I have how boss on the show and you had into about our exclusive q in the monetary policy of loss years and not being his Co. Concern I. Do you want to take that a little bit deeper there? Because as the micro we dive into the investments that now and stride is the only funding Europe. There's been an explicit in saying that we're on a polls so again is sonny interesting month media hosters but why did we take this position fried last? I'm tempted to turn the question back to you but I'll take a stab at it. Sold off so I have zero. Doubt that amazing companies will be built through this crisis and we can see some very clear corridors opportunity to having said that for me there is simply too much new information every week. End The speed and the impact of this information just leads me to a place where. I'm just not smart enough to process what's going on and it's our job to be responses to take risk. You take big risk but in environments were every thing is moving all the time I just think it is a little bit foolish to just go and say we're open for business GONNA keep writing deals. Now that's added to by the fact that in Venture. I don't think prices necessarily adjust immediately yet in private markets in general. I think it takes a little bit of time for the momentum to come off and for everybody to just new normal student real estate I think it is between venture capital Casino. Everybody around the table tends to be optimistic right to just kind of one of our characteristic is investors is that we are mystic in where people who believe in the future so I think it takes time for the information to be processed by the market is time for me to have any form of decision making framework or even risk-taking. Primorac when things are moving that fast there is another aspect to this which is founders. Have to really valuable assets right now. One is cash and the other one is time and there was an aspect here of reacting to market. That was sort of pretending was business. Unusual SORTA planting its flag and saying. Hey we actually on pools for a month or two or three and in this environment. This is the honest answer and I wish more fun. Just come out and say we are investing but we're investing more slowly. We're investing with a much higher bar and we need to really really good answers on how you get approached a crisis. I couldn't agree more in terms of being more open and I'm very pleased with dogs and just being right out but I want to ask you. You mentioned a little bit about the amount of data that you have to ingest now fully understanding imprint in the situation if we aspire to investors view of race how do you think convention view evolves in a crisis like this when the data is as a fire hose. Like is as well. So I'm going to try to distill down in a way. That kind of found us can relate to so the baseline thinking for most odor stage. Investors People like us is every investment that you make should be able on. Its Own to return fun. You can then bring that down in to imports. Most obvious one is value at exit. How much is this company worth when I sell it? It's really hard to muddle today. But if you believe in your investment thesis you can see through the crisis you can actually assume long-term that you'll be able to achieve tracked his numbers in terms of the absolute exit so investors. I don't think we're particularly impacted by that. What we're definitely impacted by is the time to exit. Because of course there is the absolute multiple. There's also the question of internal rate of return and time to exit definitely get extended for dramatic ZANDER's. I think the one that most people are focused on and most people can touch and feel today. Because it's right in their faces. Which is the path transits in other words? How many rounds is it GonNa take? How much funding we're going to need. And how diluted is going to be to my initial position so if you hear. Vc's insisting on long runways will that's because they want to have time to build value and that's one of the ways in which the risk aversion clearly expresses itself today so you Bagel that in you has time pass in absence exit value and what are the variables are controlled today. Essentially it's cash pre money interns and what so defacto you have to work on the pre money on the cash. Which really tough here is that. Nobody knows and so. Would you do when you don't know you ask for a risk? Premium second shore is trying to ensure super unusual risk default risk hedge fund. You know some of the rituals used to do that services through the same as actually a funny joke going around which was like. Hey you can get a haircut during quarantine short Khalid Invest to which others so the one thing I do want to mention here is terms because downside insurance with a visa flavor could come in the form of some pretty nasty things like participating preferred so-called full ratchet and Todd Aleutian which is effectively fool down round protection for coming investor or even sometimes warns in dividends from the reasons. And you said to have convertibles. You can be a false friend. And so I like spent half of my career cat fighting receives on stupid terms. I think we have to be very mindful that we don't let these things see back in. It's a bad idea. Increases misalignment with the founders and honestly on top of that I don't know if any fund that was ever returned on nasty terms funds return by backing the right entrepreneurs exceptional outcomes in everything else is kind of poetry to be honest cameras. Towns is such a crowded area for you know you can return. She needs to do everything he can. Really get up to speed in your mind. Sorry this is all schedule but in your mind. If you say the couple of quarterbacks that are unacceptable terms even in the most wildest of wild circumstances that were aim. What are we on acceptable terms so the first sheets male complicated if you think about the really core business terms? They're on that many of them. I find for example that people will spend a ton of time. Negotiating Reps and warranties and very limited amounts of time thinking about consensus in control. So the key things you want to look out for our number one anything that is designed to screw you out of your equity so nasty badly recruit excessive reverse investing closes anything that is designed to potentially be able to fire you and take your equity away is one number two. Would be the full ratchet anti delusion. I haven't seen him in a while but I definitely sort of in the last crisis for ratchet enter the Russian would mean that effectively tone of anti-democratic shares would be issued to the investors in case of a down round. Search out Bryce re-based to the next round. So it gives you a simple example if you raised twenty five million and that the next new pre money twenty five million and the mechanics of full ratchet mean that the whole company breasts being re-based zero and you get down to zero because it's magical and so these are particularly nasty through some that. Are there just financial engineering. But I find him quite objectionable for example participating It's a so called double dip so you will. I isn't investor to give money out and then you'll take your Barada. I mean with understated squishy wide. Do we need any of this crap? When in reality what we need is to find investments that do fifty x so the real question with the series of town and their own that many of them is. Why do we need them when we all know that reading Which you can do thirty or fifty action which is really what this game is. All about tightly I mean you mentioned in terms of company runways. If we think about fundraise we've seen a lot of time. Funds deployed in-incredibly short timeframes eighteen months. Some even in twelve months. I had a recent gasoline on the show. Who would see a graveyard of these new thumbs now unable to carry that kind of eighteen twelve month old portfolio is cheating? Mrs Fair in terms of the graveyard and you think we will see this being unable to feed hungry mounts. So you're talking about newest savage funds. It's just briefly. Remind ourselves with the math. I think excluding funds which are tracked through something in the region of eleven hundred twelve hundred new funds that have been established the US over the last ten or eleven years so that's an incredible influx of capital. Now I don't want to get into the debate of whether there is a secular movement towards needing more funds because startups effectively are amazing. Way of getting any full of idea of the ground is an organizational principle which may be true. What is absolutely certain is that the LP community which has been flooded with this new names will be incredibly selective on the next round of fundraising compared to what they've been in the past so the first comment to make would be. You better have a really good reason to exist. It could be a lot of fun but this funded through has high differentiation and they special schools that means that they deserve to be in business because of questionable one. You're going to be asked the Promo fast deployment is that. It is extremely hard to recover from. So you remember Harry when we started the fund and we had a I close in May of two thousand eighteen. We told her Before during and after the closing that we were going to invest slowly because we anticipated the market turning at some point of course nobody The pandemic and that with old temporal diversification when our best friend is very difficult to invest fast and will it is even more so in fact markets or high growth markets. Where you're actively relying on the capital markets to bail you out because you don't really have time to build a companies if your first time fund and you've got the gate too fast which is a classic mystic post managers which I have a lot of sympathy for. You're probably in a whole heap trouble. I mean I do agree with you. I guess my question to you is when thinking about kind of resolve allocation full manages in trouble. The question is how do you think about maintaining discipline across the portfolio reserve strategy? And not just feeding the hungry smiles comeback. I how do you retain the discipline in your mind? We're here to talk about things honestly and not to tell people what they wanna hear. So for founders. The reality of what's going to happen especially with the seed funds is that they will have to make some hard choices so some Koji from First Republic Bank in West is a active observer of stage market. And he said that seventy or eighty percent of the seat funds that he spoke to had six to twelve months of life for most of the two companies. So all these funds are going to have to triage now to go back to your question. What's really interesting here is. You are in a down. Market where new investment opportunities will be priced more attractively quote unquote than they were in eighteen. Or Seventeen where? The market was really. So what you do. It is very tempting to say well support my portfolio no matter what and effectively what happens is the first through the gates gets money. It is however not the right decision because it could be that you have ten companies in your book for your end another fifteen to goad Theoretical example and that your best returners yet to call. It's what you not only have to Szeswith Today but you sort of have to abstract to cell phone and say are these the three of or seven companies one of a number you managed to hit that will make my portfolio any extremely difficult set of decisions to make because we don't have enough information. It's perfect and you're facing a chaotic environment. Like we've never seen before so that's tough I would sit at discipline matters. And you need to develop frameworks as rigorous as you can to help you make these decisions. Also I would add that. Limited partners will absolutely look hard at your ability to manageable for new into maintain discipline in your book for Management Editor Tough. It is tough because of the founders you love the early demands become friends you know their teams and they may still not make the cut and that is one of the hardest hardest parts about our business sometimes heartbreaking but you know it is your job. It's what we're being paid to do. And we manage money on the pension funds and you know people who will run on us to produce returns in so that is the hardest necessary part of the job that I don't particularly I have to do as indeed and you mentioned the Alpine themselves. I want to touch on the AL pease and the relationship between L. P. and GP and in such unsettling times. A real question for me is what is best in close communication like from GP TO LP in your mind. What are we done? That you think has been the right decision. So I think that's the key to success in life in many situations is just understanding how the other policies the world and in this particular case if you think about ps they are sitting on public equities that it creates are probably they may have exposure to highly leveraged credit funds which are likely to buy the dust is so they're in an environment where managed Taking an accident beating. And You as part of that probably a small portion of the overall dedication but they are professional care about you and actually you might provide So what did you do over? Communicate without being asked is step number one and then you think about the things. They're more worried about now. So we listen to the Zeitgeist on twitter where the appeaser saying Plus apply wrong judgements. And say well you know question number one is are you companies finance property so the first thing we did was very early on today's very detailed ranches of review was older companies? Have Castro broke? Fives then immediately. Translate the data into a very explicit set of exponential Fundraising risk is under control. Number two was okay we will try to. Parse the information that comes through this crowd sue limited partnerships may WanNa do commissions for on your own vote for you also will help inform them about what's going on across for today looking for insects so instead of giving them numbers what we did was to give them a very detailed cetera responses to how we felt the crisis was affecting each company positively negatively. Andrew Descent. Disclose talk about adaptation in strategy goods market End Up his love that because again they were getting insights. It's not just information that you read financial reports. They're getting a deeper level of inside the ethic. We went out of our way to be very in depth of the third thing which is coming up. Now is people are starting to say. Hey help me manage my cash outlay it is important to provide. It is very difficult to do but provide some form of forecast ability to your limited partners to win. You'RE GONNA cool cats on how much so that they can. Factor the sin to the whole Plethora of decisions. That they're having to make about the Troglio so I think he was a GP Today. Special emerging be. I would say come out with it already. Come out with a bad news. Just be honest. Transparent and radically transparent as you can. This is not a time to play games. People need fatted accurate and unvarnished information. So even if the facts are bad give them the factor later the in terms of unvarnished and just. Kinda over communication element. I do want because you mentioned the huge amount of seed funds slicing from Summit County. I think it was his data until seem this kind of mean false of L. P. V. C. Mall could even lost year is a lot of people question kind the sustainability open. She think we'll see a wave of. Lpd folks over the coming months given the unprecedented economic mccray paired word so LPD false have historically occurred even to some once funds. The definitely occurred nine and it is important thing to consider. Now we as you know when a crisis hits we actually accelerated our capsule cool. We kept it reasonable because we appreciate people WANNA limit security. Would we should adapt to a call and it was way to effectively flush out whether we'd have health issues because I think it's a possibility now turns out quite rule Boston. We didn't have anybody not paying their dues but I think it is a factor. It's something that industry does not talk about very often but some of the world's best silver manages and myself you don't have stories to tell about these defaulting and the problem is you know especially if you're an emerging manager and your first on. Are you going to sue one of these? Because they don't hey relatives you kind of have no never just a sitting duck and if people decide not to pay you than they won't Sure you can sue them. You won't solve anything for you so what you best. Acid actually is to demonstrate your audible manager and then to also demonstrate that. He's a good place to your money that there will be that it's well-managed today that will be opponents is now getting. Don't oversell. This is not a time to sell. This is the time to be honest and transparent but it is. I believe the venture capital classic. She's a great place to go parts of money with one major issue of course which is in liquid for long time and again bear in mind people right now this massive premium for equities. So you have two zero two out of your way to demonstrate that you're worthy of people spending valuable liquidity by fourteen years. I mean I think it's brilliant advisory times the PE- communications to emoji manages. Especially with the hindsight you have with the many years of experience that you have especially module manages like maybe happening Crisis before what other advice would you give them? A set off expats ought to be wary of and how they should think about kind of the cool cool inside Mike Key Observation. Is this question particularly. I think we'll be harder and deeper than you imagine. And this is a time when we're really going to separate nothing. Do People have real passion for what they do and the others? I don't know if that's advice that I think might advise to Monja manages. This is a time to dig deep into the fundamentals of what you do and for me. At least that's company building so you'll with your founders and don't just give them stupid advice like cut you burn. Please don't get. Don't get off your polital by ten fifteen after you had a smooth. The Quick Conference School to say to burn by forty percents. That is not what I'm talking about what I'm talking about is here's how we can adjust your product strategy so that we are incredible well-positioned coming out of the crisis huge value messaging could resonate with a set of corporate clients who suddenly extremely selective about how they sell software get into branding discussions get into the product discussions get into the pricing discussions. This is where you're GonNa make your name whether you fail or not. It could be that you get the bad luck of having too few acid senior portfolio and you get wiped out and statistically you look down it doesn't mean you're bad at your job it means you get wiped out by corona virus. It may happen what nobody can take away from you though is going to do the work with the founders and helping them through tough times and that will always be your accomplishment in your achievement will make you stronger and we'll give you referenced No matter what the outcome is on it turns out. It's also the best way to create battery. Turn Adrian. I think subsidy accord trade for both of us in terms of lovingly company building aspect. So this is you've done it twice before and listen to some of the shows despite me trying to get you to listen to every. Show quickfire rounds. Isaiah she'll stay IGA me. Your immediate thought. We're going to switch. You don't have a little bit on the first one. What's the favorite movie Friday? Why ANYTHING BY DAVID? Lynch will always find my favor. Because David Lynch's poet and a writer and a painter and filmmaker and from eraserhead old way through Holland drive every one of these movies is always challenged by perception of the world of time of a number of dimensions and I love absolutely everything that he does if I had to pick one probably mulholland drive. Because I'm kind of in love with Naomi Watts but I don't really want. I mean you can see why we got on so well when you consider minds actually notting hill. So I'm so glad to have such an intellectual partner. The Best Goldmember the bottom aboard with and what made them so special. So I've header furious chances with people that were great because even the time coveted. I'm GONNA single went out picked from probably seven or eight and I'm going to pick president David Frankel partly because it just went through Kobe and continue to provide advice through zealous but more importantly because he's fundamentally end Suzanne and believe are and when we funded pack together out of techstars. I found myself with somebody in the room who heady same level of passion is me who did not hesitate to push back on founders widows conducive to dialogue and trust clearly not being an asshole and. I just love is infectious energy and so today I'll give my vote to David Frankel isn't a huge David Fan boy hair as well twice. He's on the show announced absolutely ingredient. He that tell me. This is a tough time forever on what you found. Made the biggest difference for you and it's troubling time. Maybe possibly more. I think that the moment I decided that the most valuable thing I could do is to do something. Good with my sphere of influence. And what I mean by that is if everybody's stressed out everybody's anxious what can I do to alleviate that tension and the moment I did that I think everything starts voting into place? Which is okay. He finally sent to the news all the time. I'M GOING TO BE ACTRESS. If I mentioned on help. Anybody so turn off the news take care of yourself and then whenever you have an interaction with someone around us like focus on the positives. It doesn't mean you're was delivering good messages. But you're focused on the future. You're focused on what can be done. You're focused on understanding where the rats ads and that find this great solace against a great comfort to be found. Personally so egotistical early in helping people around you because that whatever joy brought to them or whatever strength you broke today. What encourage Back to you but it started to be honest with turning off the news. What is on voice for everybody? Do Not Follow Corona virus. News there is no point. You come through anything about it anyway now. This might be leading question. But what is the single biggest joy of working with Harry? Harry has taught me or is brought to me a good level of Jordan. Because he's always in good for more with a smile say's no matter how difficult things might be for him. Harry always comes with a side and I think that's the great gifts and I'm very thankful for it. I mean I'm am so time sitting. That's incredibly kind of you say normally. I'm the soapy one so I really appreciate that but let's do pronouncement question. What do we know now fried that you wish you'd known the star of your career in venture almost twenty years ago? I wish I'd known that nobody will train you. Nobody will answer you in a way. That's really meeting slow and that from day one when she has to do as a young person in venture capital is learn every aspect of the trade. And it's accommodate trade because in say people business product and technology business. It's a brand the business model us any soliciting business from day one. I wish I had known that he was always going to rely on. Me would have made it my mission to the stand. Absolute his three hundred sixty huggies worked. And I think the faster you can do that. The more effectively GONNA visible member investor disaster. You're going to mature into industry and in your role and then the final one and again rather interesting for me to be asking this but it tell me the most recent publicly announced investment for you and why did you say yes and get so excited. The most recent got eyelid announced easy. Comical collective benefits and is very timely. Because I used to be on the board of the Rue des Roof Unbeknownst must be making a long effort into making its rider more productive and and before money choose what time to work in that stuff and so I was very acutely aware of the problem of what it means to be the becomes and some collecting benefits activists trying to innovate in the world of insurance by providing a key benefits to either self employed workers. Temporary workers were Gig economy workers. So they can be sick paid time off bereavement Thailand CETERA. And it's a company that is effectively going live now and it's interesting. It was around in February. In seventy we find ourselves in golf in probably the single biggest shock to self employed the economy that you could imagine so fascinating times UNAGI CONFIDENCE. Michelle bracket good in these difficult times in the couple of years ahead. They'RE GONNA struggle here now. Icon apologize enough. You have to spend all day with me and now you have to spend twenty minutes with me on a podcast. You are so patient and thank you so much for joining me. Stay my friend my pleasure. Hurry I'll speak to you now. If you love this episode with Fred. This is just part one so nice. We will be doing party where we really dive into the founder psychology surrounding covert. If you'd like see more from Fred which is a must and you can find him on twitter at destined likewise would be great. Welcome you behind the scenes here. You can do that on instagram. And H stubbings nineteen ninety-six with. Tv's Sir appreciate it. We will support. It really does mean to me. Stay home and stay safe.

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The Boy on a Bicycle

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The Boy on a Bicycle

"Who are catheters. Just want to thank a whole lot of people here in front of the exciting story of the boy on a bicycle. It's a little bit different story. Sometimes you get tired of doing just mafia stuff my friend Nate Henley. Has It really great story about a wrongful conviction up in Toronto Canada first of all I wanNA thank the other Michael mccollum. For Making a nice donation on Michael mccollum, the former hells angels has been on the show, but this is another man named Michael McCullough Mu. Lessons, that big fan and made a nice donation. BLEEP through pay pal and pay pal donation as a double thanks to Dan Bay for down in Australia triple or quadruple I'm not sure how many now Dan I really appreciate. Your support drew Nonni Bene- Papousek border. Thanks. A Lot drew a couple times for him. I believe maybe three Marines Stinnett. I got a nice donation from him and then off of. Actually Rick Jones and Richard Sullivan. Continue staying in their guys. I appreciate what you've done for the podcast Bergeron stay right in their Bo obamacare key pronouncing your name right. Give me, lots of shots and beer here, Zack's Watson, Mark Ryan Casey Walls Brett Giuliano just all kinds of people I don't I can only thank so many people at a time. My friend feral down in down under Australia thanks a lot I've got a couple of Australian stories coming up for you guys, you and Dan and other Australian fans down there. We're kind of kind of scary. It's like I'm all over the world. No thing I've got coming up I got in touch with Joe pistone. The DONNIE BRASCO dude and he's GonNa. Give me a sound bite I i. don't really want to tell his whole story. Everybody knows that story and seeing the movie and all that, but he has particularly interesting levels of comments about lefty. Now have my friend Steve. Say John was actually was a cellmate, and in the penitentiary with zero, so he will give us his take on that also as well as Joepags Dome so got many more exciting podcast coming up. keep less than and sit back and enjoy this one. That's just a little bit different than your usual podcasts. Thanks folks. You're listening to gangland wire hosted by former Kansas City, police intelligence unit detective Gary Gene. Welcome while you were out there. I'm here with my friend. From Toronto Canada Nate Hin. Legia true crime writer he's. He's done a lot of things with organized crime. As you guys know what he's got another one out I think his most recent book called the boy on the bicycle which I found interesting. We just had my friend Michael Callahan Former Illinois state trooper on here. Who wrote that book about a wrongful conviction that he worked up in? Northern Illinois, that was an interesting story. I kinda like those stories of of wrongful convictions and people that that fair that stuff out and this most recent book on Nate's. Is the boy on the bicycle and it's about A. Young kid fourteen year old Ryon. MOFFITT OF TORONTO, who was wrongly convicted of murdering a child in nineteen, fifty six, and the real offender was a serial killer, so nate welcome You want to help us. Understand what happened up there in Toronto with this murder? Sure absolutely my pleasure Gary Nice Feedback My Book is Gary. said it's called the boy and the bicycle and a wrongful conviction case that happened in Toronto in the fifties and the interesting thing. Is that very few people remember this case. For various reasons which I'll get into as I go. Quick. Summary is a family that Malek family were visiting Toronto on September nineteen, fifty six. They work from SEALY's Bay. which is a small little community near Kingston, Ontario they were visiting grandmother who lived in Toronto, and on the evening of September fifteenth. Nineteen, fifty, six little seven year, old Wayne and wandered away from his grandmother's home. His grandmother lived in East End Toronto the older. Malek Brothers wanted to go to see a movie didn't really want their little brother tagging along, so they said you stay with grandma. So seven year old kid, he wanders around, and he's near the grounds of in Toronto it's called the Canadian national. Exhibition see any and it's year round fairgrounds. That they have in the autumn Gig, Exposition Exposition and they have you know music and they have. No circus stuff they have various games they have animals shows all these sort of different things. September fifteenth. The grounds were closed. Little Wayne is sort of wandering around. Bumps into teenage boy riding a bicycle, which is where the title of the book comes around the boy and the bicycle. This teenage boy was named Peter Woodcock, and he was a serial Predator who would bike around the city. He was a seventeen year old at the time. Bike around the city encountered children and convinced them to go with him to private places then he would molested them and beat them up. So he tried this on the Wayne Wayne apparently grew scared and Scuffling sued and Little Wayne was suffocated. His faces pressed into the dirt. This obviously You know. Sorry so little Wayne was killed Peter woodcock bikes, way encounters a security guard, and has this weird conversation with him about you ever find bodies bodies in the bushes and stuff like this. Then he bikes off. After. Little Wayne doesn't return home. Is Parents grow? Alarm? Police are called police start searching around and little. Wayne is found dead on the grounds of the Katie National Exhibition. Obvious terrible family tragedy. That same evening fourteen year old MOFFITT, he's watching a movie with friends at a movie theater. and He. The unfortunately bad timing to get into a big fight with his parents early the next week. You plays Hooky from school. His Dad finds out. He's worried about getting in trouble. So he decides to hide out and he hides. He's take some clothes and food and heights basically in his parent's apartment building. His parents report him missing and at the time, police were searching Searching through cases of missing teenagers that the suspect in this case of the murder of little Wayne Latte was a teenage boy on a bicycle. Won't Ron MOFFITT was fourteen, so he fits the age demographic and he had worked at the Canadian National Exhibition. So police put into together and they're thinking okay. You know this is interesting and he ran away. You know right after the murder so obviously maybe guilty conscience. Police Find Ron. they don't bother telling his mother that they located him. Take him to a police station. Interrogate him without a lawyer. Without apparent present without a guardian and just drill into the kid. According to Ron later like they didn't physically beat him or anything, but he felt that threat that was very much in the air that it was sort of like he said one of the cops said you know you don't answer our questions. Things are GONNA. Get rough here. And Wayne Excuse me, Ron Moffett confesses. Now according to Ron, he said the police just sort of fat him questions, and he would give them the answers. They wanted I actually have a copy of his alleged confession. And, it does contain a lot of very leading questions did this. Did you move the body here you know. Oh, yeah, yeah. I did Blah Blah Blah. Police then take him to these CNN and walk him through the crime scene. You know according to Police Ron said Oh. Yeah, you know here's where I encountered Wayne. Here's where we committed the crime. According to Ron it was the other way around. Police would point to an area and say that's where you. I saw Wayne Right and he'd agree. Now, at the time and still today, a lot of people don't understand why you would confess to something you didn't do. And Ron's explanation is okay. He's fourteen year old kid. He was from a rough family, working class family, and his parents drank a bit on the weekends. He'd had a scrape with the law before when he was younger him in a buddy tried to break into the Saint Lawrence market. you got probation for that so bit of rough and ready. Background doesn't know a lot about things. He's got these two cops battery him and he said like anyone in that position. You know you're fourteen. You'll eventually agree to anything just to get out of that. And that's sort of. Is confirmed by later research I did that found that the of false confessions. It's actually much higher than people think. That there was a study done of People who've been exonerated from death row by DNA evidence. And of the cases something like sixteen twenty percent involved with false confessions, so these guys had confessed something. Science says they didn't do. I had a situation. Once I was young. Policeman got assigned to murder investigation. We were actually I was working burglaries at the station and they needed some extra help for homicide investigation. Because a big scary one for everybody in the city there was somebody with the same gun was robbing stores and killing the clerks. And they they hit a dirty bookstore I and killed that clerk, and then about a week later robbed a radio shack and killed two young guys about eighteen nineteen years old, their first jobs and kill both them with the same gun. Then he went out to independence and killed a convenience store clerk with the same gun in the city was on edge, the anybody that were to store was on edge, and that was back when everybody read the newspaper, and and it was big headlines in the newspaper and I got decided that and. I. I had an informant out there on the street, and and he got hold of me, and he said he he said I've got a guy that said that he's. He's a suspect on this. He did this. I said immune. He's like bragging about it. He said Yeah I said he's telling her by down here in the neighborhood that he's the one that killed those two guys. Those two kids downtown. Radio Shack these were. Young Black Kids and they all go downtown and do little hooligan. Thanks were steel out of their stores or Whatever. And he and he was from what we call a notorious crime family. The had several brothers who had been involved in crime and he was about sixteen or seventeen. So I went to the sergeant over the spot I was brand new I mean I've you know I've never been assigned? Do Squad like this before? The Big Red Horner and he said Okay said, let's first thing let's do. He said let's get your informed and put him on a lie, Bach so we had my informant was a good kid he was. He was eighteen himself and just a street kid. He came in and he passed a lie box. So we get this kid in one evening a day or two later we'll get him in. And and since his my deal I'm the one that's gets to interrogate him and try to get the confession because we didn't have any other physical evidence right then. We didn't when we arrest him. We didn't find a gun or didn't have anything. But the unsubstantiated word of an informant I start questioning, and he immediately starts breaking down and he's. Admitting that he killed these two guys and I'm thinking boy. I'm a hero here. Bad believe me policemen's egos get into these guys. Thanks! You think you're GonNa Saba Rennes crime like that. I mean you're. You're going to go down and lower as as the guy that saw the. Murder to radio shack guys. And he's breaking down and I'm like thinking Tam so I go out of the interrogation room. And I find an old time detective. Kenny Fisher and I said Kenny I said. This guy's breaking down to this. He's okay, so this many they may come in there and talk to him so Kenny comes in, and he starts talking to him, and and this guy was longtime homicide detective, so he starts asking this kid, he said Okay said, tell me what you did and we went in there, and this gives us well I went in and robbed the store, and and I just shot him. He's one. No, no, he said no, he said. Did you get any money out of Seattle? Yeah I've got some money, said now well. Where did you get the money from and the kids? He said mom they gave me the money. You know tell he and he said well. Tell me exactly how he got the money for you, and and he's always said you know. The the kid walked over and and being hit the cash register took all the money out and hand me the money and it had been in the paper that there was money was taken from these places. And and Kenny stands up and says come out here, so we go out and hall said he didn't do it. And I said what do you mean into it? He just told us he did it. He described the crime scene and everything he said because there was no cash register in that place was money drawer, and so he could not have rang the cash register up, and the reached down, and take it out of the door and he he took it out of the drawer. Then we got some. We kicked that kid loose in about a week later. We found the real guy, but but you. I still can't figure why he wanted to confess. It's a mystery to me to this day. I never I have no idea what his name was i. don't know what happened to him after that, but they do do that. Yeah I talked to a lawyer and he said you know the rate of wrongful thirty false confessions much higher than people think. And it it tends to be much higher in cases where the suspect is juvenile. If they're not terribly intelligent, and if they're adult by Boozer, drugs or something, often their memories bit foggy two days ago. Did you did this and they literally can't remember well. And especially if you don't have a lawyer or parent present and unfortunately a lot of these things for the fifties, they weren't recorded. Okay so this interrogation was not taped. Obviously, they didn't have videotape. Obviously at the time. We only really have you know the polices word for it that this is what exactly. Transpired and I guess other reasons to falsely confessed attention seeking sometimes. These guys think that they'll be you know. Hey, you know okay I'm accused of murder. That'll make me really cool. I confess pressures at the moment. Obviously you know intimidation. I think people forget being interrogated is not supposed to be a pleasant experience, and some people will just confess anything just to get end. So, Ron confesses, and the he's put on trial, but by the time he gets to trial in December nineteen, fifty six, a second kid had been murdered in Toronto. Little boy named Gary Morris was murdered by a boy on a bicycle. WHO approached him? took him to a secluded place molested him, and then Stop Jeff Basically. So police at the time came up with these really strange conclusions like one guy was quoted in the paper saying. Well Maybe, the person who killed Gary Morris read about Wayne Malek killing and disc- triggered him and he imitated this killing. So basically, he's saying. There's two different teenagers riding around the city on bicycles, approaching kids, yeah, and killing them, which is like Nah to Real realistic part of the problem is that Tronto was a very safe city at the time. Nineteen fifty-six, there was only nine recorded murders in the whole city. This is the city, the population of six hundred fifty thousand people, or so so police just didn't have a lot of experience dealing with murder. Much less sort of a a serial killer picking on. And the whole concept molesting kids off the radar for a lot of people and so this blinkered I. Think the police investigation. So Ron goes on trial December nineteen fifty-six, and he's convicted for almost no evidence against him except confession. And there's quote bite mark evidence that Little Wayne had bite marks on them and the police Hired someone to check. Cats. The teeth marks and said Oh. Yeah, it's a perfect match Ron's mouth. All these other witnesses testified well. I was at the movie theater with Ron all night. And like a number of parade of them I actually have a list of about a dozen people who said I was in theater with this guy. So the crown prosecutor, that's the Canadian version of like the DA district attorney. He comes up this great theory that well Ron did go to the movies. But he slipped out of the movies stole a bicycle. To the CNA because he used to work there. Encountered Little Wayne Kills Wayne. Encountered this security guard on his bike ditched the by went to a restaurant for bite to eat. That somehow went back to the movie theater. And? None of his friends noticed that he was like sweaty or freaked out, or you know most fourteen year olds just killed the little boy with their bare hands might be a little agitated. But you know no one reported anything like that, so this theory may very little sense, and it makes even less sense when you realize Ron moffitt couldn't actually ride a bicycle. The inner ear damage, so he has balanced problems hit boxed a bit as a kid, and he got smacked in the head or something, and it's an screws era. So, he had equilibrium problems like maintaining balance, so he couldn't ride a fight. So doesn't matter, he gets convicted. You get shipped off to training. What's called a training school juvenile facility? Then a third kid gets killed a little girl. Caroline Voice January nineteen, fifty seven. Elise finally figure out that okay. Maybe we put the wrong guy in jail through some circumstances which I e mail in my book police track down this Guy Peter Woodcock. Who, right from birth was a very strange kid he was. You know giving up for adoption. His mother was allegedly prostitute. He had a number of mental problems. None of his he had no friends had very strange. Behaviors and habits wanted to stories. Was that he allegedly? Killed family family bird, and raised the corpse on a piano candles and such he was never formally adopted, but he was taken in by foster family who were early wealthy. They took him to various psychiatrists. They put him in special schools. Nothing work. He was Zara Kid. who was sort of in his own little world and when he was an? Adolescent! He starts biking around the city molesting kids. So. He's taken into custody. He readily confesses. There's no pressure on just. Did all this. Peter Woodcock is put on trial April to fifty seven. He's found not guilty. By reason of insanity. But okay got understand the context that doesn't mean. He walks out of jail or out of the court at the high that man. She's put into a psychiatric psychiatric institution until they deem him you're. So it's another form of incarceration basically. The ship him off to a psychiatric facility and then a month later. woodcock Peter woodcock testifies in a retrial of Ron moffitt. Family had got a good lawyer Ron. You Wanted Appeal Ronald Given a second trial. And very interesting at the second trial. Here. Woodcock captive is saying I did the killing. I killed Little Wayne in fact, Peter Woodcock because apparently a little missed that someone else's taking credit for this killing the dental technicians who at the first trial said that these bite marks totally matched ron moth. All of a sudden, they say oh. No, no, no. We made a mistake that they don't match at all. When I interviewed him thought that might be kind of a conspiracy I. think it's more just. It was junk science like. By mark. Investigation is considered even today pretty unreliable, so you could imagine in nineteen fifty six. This was like yeah. I'm really unreliable. Evidence is hurt and the judge. acquits raw. Judge says it's interesting. The judge acquits him, but schooled ever like all told the truth. Makes it kind like his? Buddy says I don't think that you did it, so he said all the evidence points to Peter Woodcock and none of it points to really run off it. You're free to go see later, so ron is let out, but the sad part is. Is that Well the sad things he'd never received an official apology, okay? That he never received a call from the judge or police or the government or anything? And parents were too broke to launch a lawsuit for compensation. So you know somebody's wrongful conviction cases, they have lawsuits and they win multimillion dollar. settlements nothing like that for wrong. 'cause his parents. Just they were broke. They wanted to put it behind them, so they just you know. They never pursued that avenue. And the third thing. That was a little sad about the case. Ron was tried as a juvenile. Okay. Now the the good part of that man under Canadian law. He couldn't be hanged because he was a juvenile. But it match. His name was kept out of the papers. A blessing at the time. But what it match that over the years, everyone just forgot about his case. Because it's Kinda hard to remember a case of like. The papers covered this story extensively, but they never put his name. They just say fourteen year old boy or the suspect. So it's a little hard to remember that over the decades that guy from the fifties they never named. Never got compensation. So when I started doing research into the case I realized that no one remembered this, and this is like a huge front page story in the fifties, but No one knew Ron Moth. You know this the case itself had largely been forgotten except in context with Peter Woodcock. And compared to their some other more high profile, wrongful conviction, cases and candidate. Everybody knows who these people are. There's Steven Truscott David, Miller Guard he's a very famous name. Oh Yeah. So I was the first one to do a full book about Ron. Acted me wanted to tell his story. You Trust me with this story of this terrible ordeal. He went through a teenager and he's a strong resilient man. Nate, how? When you first interviewed him and talk to him, let's see He got in touch with me in. He was about seventy five, or so when he got in touch with me. Yeah, he was born in Nineteen, forty two. And we communicated by a email, skype and phone for a number of years, and then we finally got together I had to verify courses story. And he's a wonderful guy. He he managed to pull his life together. He was pretty messed up for a long time as you can imagine. He had issues with alcoholism. He's had some psychiatric treatment. Pulled himself together. He worked as a caretaker for school and Susan area. Been married twice. Grand Children don't socialize active family life now and amazing 'cause I think. Of that haven't yet fourteen. You'd be like basket case for your life and he's very big on now like about Reforming the Canadian the way police interrogation done Canada for juveniles He thinks very strongly that you should have a parent like a mandatory. Lawyer, apparent presence. Even, today under Canadian law like a juvenile and I'm talking under eighteen. They could ask. For a lawyer apparent. But. Often there to either dopey or naive, and they don't realize how much trouble there in order to embarrassed. You're like sixteen or accused of something. You really want mom there. Most of them would say no, and they don't realize that now. You Kid, you really should have someone there so. I'm very much in favor of that. To have had a having some sort of mandatory council for juveniles and recording everything. You know people don't realize the The power that a kid will give two policemen. In that set in that setting, they just you know. He's physically much bigger. It's usually a man and always have to be a man. Physically much bigger and older, and and the kid has got this. You know ill formed. View worldview and it's pretty easy to get a kid to say you know I. Want to help you out here and pretty soon if you're if you're good at it as one thing. I was always good at with suspects is. Like pretty soon, they like thought I was their friend and I was trying to help them. Because that's how you do it, that's that's the best way I always worked for. Me Is convinced them that you know I'm trying to help you. I'm your lifeline dude. I can I can help you. You gotTA. You just gotTa start talking about this a little bit and and I'm GonNa work for you. I'M GONNA. Make sure that you know if you did it. Usually, he started off with somebody else did it and says you get them to to to start talking about it a little bit? Somebody else did it then pretty soon. You Start Brigham around and your friend, your their lifeline and it's know it's a lot easier with the kid is with the you know twenty five year old man who's been around a little bit. I remember I remember one guy I started doing that with him, and then Kinda got tough when he wasn't coming around in this dude says Manny, says I've been cuffed round all my life, he said Y-. You Ain't doing anything with me. That's an okay up here. I can do the tough guy stuff and threatened to beat him up or walk around or anything like that. You see in the movies and actually did back in the sixties. NHS steptoe about the seventies. We kinda quit it by the Middle Seventies. I would say I wasn't any good at that, but I was pretty good at getting their confidence and making them think. I was her friend and I was a lifeline. I was going to help them out. Usually at works and they really did it. But you take a real immature kid like that with a guilty conscience about something else or just who knows what you know, some screw, loosen these brain, bad chemicals, or whatever you don't know how I was raised a lot number from. Raised and really bad circumstances Yeah and the tragedy with with the Ron Mafa case. Is that not only did you? Not only you know? Did police sort of railroad this innocent fourteen year old to confession? It meant the real killer was right at large. Two more children had to die and destroy their families before they realize you know. They had made a mistake and if they had. Figured that out right at the start than you know, maybe some of this. Could have been nipped in the bud and I think that's. That's something I always keep in mind when people talk about you know wrongful convictions, and sometimes some people are a little blase, and they're like, will you at least it got somebody or you know the suspect I'm sure they're guilty. something. That's like okay. But if if you get the wrong guy that means the real deal out there. And God only knows what they're, GONNA do. and. That's a pretty horrible I've heard that said before you know well, he did something. You know. screwing, he did ZANU. He did something you know. Maybe when is, but he did something I? I know that thought Brazil. I've heard that said before it's scary. I think we're much more sophisticated today I know in the United States say they have a kid. You can't just talk to a kid anymore. Here's what we used to do it. Sometimes, we have a little burglar in Watson. My partner took his walkie talkie, and he had a an earpiece for it, and he stuck his walkie talkie down in the drawer. The kid didn't notice it. And they reached down the drawer and pull the the plug in part, a little eight dance plug in part goes into the walkie talkie, and he pulled out, and they handed this kid and he. He said here, he said. Hold on I'M GONNA. Give you a lie detector tests old is up against your chest to get held up against his chest, and and we start asking questions and don barter open up that door. And he said No. No, you're lying. You're lying on that so now. Tell us what really happened. And then he'd go. Oh, and then he'd like correct himself a little bit, and and then when he said now. I'm not getting a reading. Push a little harder than your chest, so he's pushing it into his chest, little ardor. Broke down off what we really want him do. Breakdown on his buddies were burglarizing everybody in the neighborhood. They'd have these little. You know nine ten eleven year old gangs would start burglarizing all the neighbor's homes and getting you know, but change out of their Change Jar, maybe maybe a TV usually not even that just little things, and and then once you caught two or three of them. Juvenile Court and they never really went away, but at that age, but it made. The neighbors a lot better so i. that's how I justified doing that kind of interrogation. We had the major over the US unit. We were in the youth and the major studies head in, and he said I don't even want to know what's going on and shut the door. But we broke up a little gang, but you know in in a murder and things like that. It's got to be done. Right is just has to be done, right? And absolutely if we got caught doing that today, they'd probably fire. So. Things are different today. Well. This has been great, really really interesting story, folks. I'd recommend if if you like that kind of thing and all that you get that boyle on the bicycle by Nate Henley and Mates a pretty prolific writer you've you've got the big con. Great frauds, gifts, and swindles in American history where. You need to do I love those CON Games. Those more complex kind of crimes we need to do. Pick out a couple of those in and. Out Tell me about some of those one of these days. You. You've got to kind of an overview of the Mafia. The mafia guide to an American subculture. You got gangsters then and now. Steven Trescott. Decades injustice, what what is that? That's another wrongful conviction carries okay I was interesting because he is well known because he was fourteen tried for murder in the fifties. And Nineteen fifties and he was tried as an adult, so his name was in the paper. So that's why everybody knows about Steven Truscott but no one sort of Ron Moffitt even though the crimes and the suspects, both of them and fourteen cases, Nike fifties very similar interests, and then you've got Dutch Schultz the beer. Brazen beer baron of new. York. He's a character in. He. And he was so immensely successful I little bit I. Nobody we'll have to do that one of these days there little bit nobody he was i. don't know how it was so successful. I guess just from being brazen all about it. Tell us all about it and we got a rock opponent book. and. Bonnie Bombing Clyde so. Money and Clyde I did myself in A and another retired? Police officer did a motorcycle tour. Bonding plied sites throughout the mid south, and this all the way down to lean CNN I'd stop, and at some of the memorial in the markets were mainly word. The policemen got killed. There would be a marker, so stop and tell the story of how they got in a shootout with some policemen in and then go onto the next. We ended up down at where they got. killed down at Gibson Louisiana. Read I got an interest. In Little Museum little, Homespun Museum operating down there in in this interesting interesting guide that runs it and this kind of a homespun deal. No real great is like a collection of things that that. Were about bonding glider might have been collected to like a car that looks like their cars and things like that, but his guy, but interesting guy to talk to so I interviewed him and threw it up on Youtube I. Did this all I? Did do a bit audio on. Videos Kinda Fun. We got life and times of candidates Master Bank. Robber Edwin Alonzo Boyd. You're very prolific crystal death I, try it then phetamine North America's most dangerous drug John Lennon, music, method and madness. Yeah, one of the few non crime related. For you budding writers out there, he's got motivated to create a guide for riders on. You. Do some writing like you'll do you. Even you do ghost riding for people for a flat dollar amount or you done any joint books, people that can't really do it. Does some I've done a joint book. I DID A P book about called. The Book Tronto Book of everything, and it was just sort of collective three of us talking about all these exciting things in Toronto and That's about the only one I've done a collective thing. I'm always happy to try my hand at new stuff. It goes writing or whatever? You can see all my books by the way make Handley Dot Com all my book. Yeah, you're all that. WAS WWW dot, nate Henley nat E. H., E. N., d. l., e., Y. dot com. She got a blog on there, and and all your books, and when contact you. Interviews, you get a section for podcast Syria. Put Your podcasts that you've done with me up on it one of these days or at least some saddle. Yeah, you do the whole thing, don't. Up there, okay, so you want me or to. Just send you the whole file, did I send you the other one that we did after I entered it I. Don't think I did. I when I get done editon. These send all of them up to you. Great. That'd be terrific. All right. I appreciate it. It's been great talking to you. Always Great. You stay to. We'll chat again all right, we've. got. Plenty to talk I State by I look forward to hearing all. Check off. So that was nate, Henley, Toronto Canada based True Crime Writer. Body is most recent book. Boy On the bicycle, an interesting story I know it's not organized crime, but I like do something a little different every now and then. He's an interesting guy and a really prolific writer. He's figured out how to make a living probably a pretty decent living out of doing this. And so, if you're a veteran, you believe you have problems that might be from PTSD. Connected your service time. Call your local vet center or the local Va Hospital. There's also a national hotline one eight, hundred, seven, three, eight, five five press one. If you're a vet or you can go to www dot, PTSD has dot V. A. 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