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Virtual Roundtable: Renewed Crisis on the Korean Peninsula

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Virtual Roundtable: Renewed Crisis on the Korean Peninsula

"Good Day everybody and welcomes his virtual contingency planning roundtable. On, renewed crisis on the Korean Peninsula. Thank you for joining of many of you. Know me on post says I'm a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, where I also direct the center for Preventive Action. They, say timing is everything in life, and the timing of this weblog could not be better although arguably all for the wrong reasons. As, many of you aware. Tensions have been steadily growing on the Korean Peninsula of the last couple of weeks and Joe. Just earlier today we heard the. North Korea had destroy the inter-korean. Liaison Office. At case. And ratcheting up tensions still further. To talk about these developments today what they mean where they lied and what we should do about them, we have to excellent speakers. I, my colleague. Scott Snyder is a senior fellow at the council where he also directs the program on US Corrib policy. He is a prolific commentator and writer on creatine flares, including most recently a contingency planning memorandum update on Lake Not renewed crisis on the Korean Peninsula where he presently predicts the risk of a crisis occurring in the next twelve months. He is joined by young pack. She is a senior fellow at the brookings. Institution and S K Korea Foundation Chair there, too. She is a former intelligence officer at CI and od high where she was most recently, I believe deputy I over North Korea from twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen. She is author author, most recently of playing ball cold becoming Kim Jong. A former CIA officers insight into North Korea's enigmatic young dictator, so welcome to you both. Thank you for being here today, so we're going to talk amongst outselves for around twenty minutes or so. And then we will open it up usual to QNA from those listening just a reminder. The discussion today is on the record so Scott. Let me turn to you first. So. What's driving this latest flareup in inter-korean relations wine now? What one of the goals of the North Korean leadership? Oth some of the mmediately. Maybe long it took you just give us some so context for the discussion today. That would be very helpful. Okay, we'll see this downturn in inter-korean relations developing with the increasing threats from North, Korea. expressions of dissatisfaction abound sh- interfering relations. A lot of it has been focused on. The sending of balloons across the border. by groups wants to get information in two north three people and we. Are also not happy about the election of two north factors to the South Korean National Assembly, but I increasingly think that as we look at this unfolds, this is really driven by a North Korean. Internal imperative related to the elevation of John. As, a possible successor in North Korea. And you know initially it looked a the North Koreans. Routes look more like. A loyalty chance for Moon jae-in. Or an identity check to see whether he identified war with the South Korean values north. But now I think it's really part of an initiation ritual we saw. John Essentially give an order. And four days later. We see the destruction of this case. Some liaison office, which is basically a demonstration of her how? And I think that the real concern is this may be only the first out in the initiation ritual. if we think back to two thousand ten. the year after Kim. Jong UN with formerly named visit successor. We saw several violence events that essentially. We're used to prove Kim Jong loose in Jones for chills. As a leader and so I fear that. I fear that this will continue escalate, and that's basically in order for King John to establish her credentials as a leader in North Korea. It may be necessary for the North Koreans to draw blood. So just to be clear you see this more about. Satisfying domestic leadership imperatives rather than trying to relieve pressure on North Korea. By of full seem. To come back to negotiate table to possibly relieve sanctions of how most people I think, it would interpret this well. I see that commentary, but as we look at what is happening and and I. do think that North. Korea is under. Economic pressure in particular. As a result of self imposed quarantine measures the Cova Environment. And we know. Kim Jong UN has been you know missing, but the real focal point of the set of activities that has occurred is being driven by Kim, Young John Statements, and It's appears that they're being mobilized in a way to provide her. With authorities. Related to possible six six-nation, it's very interesting that Kim Jong UN has not appeared. As part of the ordering of this particular destruction I'm sure that John has conjunctions backing that this is really a test. A test that is unfolding for Kenya Junk Herself Okay John Juche this assessment you know. Why are they grooming her now? You've been watching for some time, but why now you know who Kim Jong is still pretty young. Says something bad. We're not really appreciating or. Is this just? A long term process the they want to stop and. Be Better prepared for any kind of changes down the road. Could you give us your background on her? Whether you share Scott's assessment here? I agree, thanks Paul and thanks for having me in this meeting today. I agree with Scott on that has to do. With Kenya Journal would step back a little bit an inquiry into the context of how the how Kim Jong Un out in the regime has really focus on the family. The aunt appeared all of a sudden back in January after six year six year, absence Kim Jong on her nephew. killed her husband. And all of a sudden she appeared in. She's watching this New Year's celebration or a two thousand and January two thousand twenty. In late, two, thousand, nineteen, the the sister and the brother are climbing up. Mount Vic! Do you know this is where the bloodline comes from? And the horses are adapting similar. Fashion and so that proximity in the the symbolism of all of that it suggests to me that it's all hands on deck with the family. And so equipped the Community Jong in in a absolutely agreement Scott that this has at chunk the fact that she has a megaphone in this particular. Is Significant and that and that Kim her in has has deputised her. As this as Inter career, lead on all of this. I think it makes sense but I. Think the Kim has been very much focused on reinforcing the ideology, and the and the family called in all of this as well so with with Kenya John I. Do think that that Kim Jong her brother has been trying to elevate her profile. She's got the megaphone now and I. think that's something that we should be paying attention to. In one of the things that I noted in a recent Washington Post op Ed is that the yes, North Korea's a patriarchal society that it's also know filial piety is also part of a Confucianism and it's anything. She has that in spades right? She's got the revolutionary blood force her veins as much as Kim Joan. Brother does but the only thing that I thought was missing, and I pointed out that offense was the is was. How much control does she have? Have the security military uprise? In in this kind of military first environment in North Korea that it's a profoundly important for her to have that. To burnish that. Of Her resume and I think this is what's happening now. With her leading this effort. Is that somehow buffer Kim Jong from. Engaging any kind of personal vitriolic interaction with President Trump. Is this you see? This is being carefully choreographed to give Kim Jong UN's still space to to engage in some kind of dialogue if you will with the president trump. If either of you. Okay well. I. Think that This is really very much about what's happening internal journal. And show that it's the internal dynamic is really going to drive the interaction. I don't think it's necessarily related to North Korea. at the beginning of the year at the end of the at the end of last year with the Party and I think that the disappointment was already expressed by Kim on in the future. The relationship we've seen I think efforts on the North Korean side to. Indicate to basically disavow the idea that the individual relationship is going to spill over to have spillover have positive effects on the government government relationship. And, so I think that right now. The regime is singularly internally focused. I see I it would be a bonus right. I think it's a bonus. If you know something else. External benefits came out of what's happening now so. that. I think that north. Korea will certainly is looking to see what kind of reaction the US going to have remember last time the the North Koreans team back pretty harshly, said us. Don't but in on our affairs or you know or risk some vague on identified retaliation for the US election. And so it's clear that they don't want the US to to to, but in on this a they'll be looking to see what the president might say or with the with the State Department might say on on the latest provocative action. So should we assume though the to Kim Jong? Limbs health is not as good as. We might have believed when he reemerged off to being out of you. For how many weeks there was a lot of speculation about his health, but. I think some people felt that it was either a precautionary measure against becoming infected code it nineteen all that he in fact had succumbed juror was recovering. So. Should we assume here that he actually could be in worse shape than? Initially thought. I don't think we know we. We still don't know what happened. than but the implications are still the same whether he was. A his health will always be a wild card in the situation. And that regardless of what? You know how sick he is, or what kind of health situation is that? It's imperative and a Scott pointed out in his paper. That is imperative to have. To refurbish our analyses in planning for about potential instability scenarios. So well, let's let's move ahead if it's really serving domestic opposite sides. have is fed. Resume human this emceeing the lost kind of provocation, or do you see this being? A sequence of moves designed to not only Ernest her image, and and it proved her experience at also eventually put more pressure on the US, how what would be your best guess about how this will play out in the coming days and weeks Scott? Vice think that the North Korean is are telling us that there will be additional provocations. Mainly, around the unrolling of the comprehensive military agreement. And so I'm expecting some kind of action by the KPI. that actually contravenes the comprehensive military agreement. It could lead to some kind of conflict even. By that to that extent, the North Koreans have already for shadowed the the KPI chief of staff is expressing writing. today for a such an action. and. What's really interesting is that it seems like the North Koreans have completely removes the possibility that there's any sort of software and action. that could dissuade them from moving forward in the course of action they decided. So, could you be more precise? Scott about a wall kind of provocations? Use You anticipate mine. We might see well. I'd love to be precise but I don't. Think that I? Don't think that we know for sure exactly what? The playbook is GonNa look like to that degree, but what I can imagine is. That the KPA rebuild some Gar hosts possibly. Or reintroduce armaments enter the J., Essay, or do some other provocative sach of actions. It could come at see I. mean the Northern Limit Line has been historic a flash points. But I think that we will see some very provocative action that will figuratively and maybe even literally step over the line. in the service of proving that Kenya Jong is a worthy leader that has that that will have gained a credentials of through this process us. John. Do share that assessment, so you know I think the the the events that we worry most about is some resumption of long range missile testing eaten Maybe another nuclear test is is very unlikely, and we see things much much lower levels of of provocation, or could we go right up to something really serious? This is very much. directed at South. Korea in South, Korea's and easy target South Korea, as a target back in two thousand ten was targeted in two thousand fifteen and I think South Korea's of primary target here and in these are carefully targeted orchestrated nonlethal so far and to to not lethal, but very dramatic North Koreans love explosions to show how how friendly they're standing against South Korea. If I could go back to a previous point about Kim Jong in his treatment of South Korea I. Think Kim Road Off South Korea at least a year ago. And that in a way The fact that his sister seems to be taking the lead on this hostile rhetoric against South Korea is a sense of emoting South Korea to a junior. Partner that somehow you know it. It does leave space or US North Korea, but also depends on us. Willingness to stand up to South Korea and deter north. Korean action in to make some statement or otherwise to show that it's not that we're not going to stand idly by while repre-. It takes increasingly escalatory actions against our ally. and. Where does China stand in this? I Don I have been following the news out of Beijing the last. Few Hours, but have they responded in any way or Issued some kind of statement all. How'd you see them responding in the next? Few days to this. Country spokesperson basically. Asked everybody to stay calm and to you know. Carry on as it were I I'm sure that the. Chinese are concerned about this, but I'm not so sure that there's a basis upon which to. Infer that there is much that they can do at this point. Where would do at this point? As can Joe young being to Beijing? You aware of as she's at any high level discussions with Chinese officials. She must've accompanied Kim Jong on on his. Prior Summit Meetings With Xi? Jinping, but at that time I don't think that she would have been seen as principal interlocutor. But but on South Korea, she's been there. She's been there for for the meetings and she's been. She was the one who was dispatched. In February two thousand eighteen for the month. Fix and South Korea remember I just wondered whether the beat any high level context during her senior Chinese officials. Okay, let's let's move to walk. Redo walk maybe south. Korea do in response to this I think that we want to see this crisis. Escalate in in really bad way you Scott talked about the possibility of some direct military confrontation happening, so tell us tell us about how we deal with this. Maybe what we do in the short term what kind of diplomatic initiative we might want to in living in the next Eight days weeks in your report. You talked about a new multilateral initiative you through the UN Security Council. Could you tell us more about bats and I have the same question for you young. Okay well. So I'm going to have to take that. As two separate questions, because know, the situation has emerged between the two Koreas I think that it is largely separate from the recommendations that I was making for the US government, thinking longer term basically about how to position of the US for possible reengagement with North Korea in the spring of Twenty twenty one. But the situation. With the two Koreas, it's easy to imagine. That there could be some touch and I think that there's actually nothing that President Moon can do. That would be effective in appeasing. North Korea at the stage. And that the South Korean government is GonNa Laugh going to be left to. Trying to effectively manage and contain. The impact of any possible direct conflict. And it's going to be particularly interesting end away. For Moon because the the efforts to mansion contained conflicts. Directly. Contradictory with the main guidelines of his peace policy. And so we'll be very a real test for moon of particularly that there is flood shut. That requires a response. And I think that the key thing there is gonna be to try to a devise a proportionate reaction that also enables containment of the broader conflict because after all. If this is truly domestically driven. Within North Fria. It's about giving Kenya junk credentials. There's not a way I think to stop the leadership from trying to successfully achieve that objective. But it's not necessarily intended to resulting confrontation. That's just the collateral. Young coach from it, and so I think that the South Korean government is going to figure out how to manage diffuse that situation. And Young you, would you? Would you share that? Recommendation over settlement. Yes I think that this is going to be a a tricky line to balance. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't if you downplay what's with the Republicans are doing you risk you. Run the risk of just giving them free space to do what they're going to do on the other hand. If you act, too strongly gives them justification to amplify or to ramp up tensions even more. But what I've seen CONJU in the past. Eight nine years. Is that he's used to? Older men kowtowing or trying to to mollify him. And they in fact, rather than making him. More concessionary attends to embolden him and I see that I agree with Scott are high enough domestically driven for domestic imperatives. In in especially, if it has to do with giving credentials to Kenya junk, there's very little that we can do But I. Think at a minimum. It's important for the US to say something to say you know other than. Other than your stay. Calm on what we would expect from. But that Tensions are unacceptable there is. There was an agreement from September two thousand eighteen, and that we would. We would want Korea to to implement. Those are agreements. You mentioned the the then. If you do damned if you don't Solo Dilemma is this no still the time, though for something, a little more forward leaning from us about military readiness maybe resuming exercises that are being abeyance. Would that would you see that as too provocative? At this moment or something? The sends a strong defensive message rather than the necessarily a provocative one. On military drills or something military related, that's something that will almost certainly be used by the regime to rally domestic opinion on into. Say Look at seed right there. The in some rea- on there is a hostile outside world. Or doing is trying to prevent the outside world. It's to to protect North Korea sovereignty and autonomy and you know it again. It's it's Dan. If you do damned if you don't but I, think what what cremating proceeding now is that. A Of US credibility commitment to South Korea We still have the negotiations on host nation support still ongoing. It's we're now lot well into June. people anticipated that this would be resolved by January, or even march or April up now. We're halfway through the year, so in any case is north. Korea's thinks of is thinking about timing I think Scott guests this right in the paper that he's written. In it's you know the domestically North Korea's been looking to bolster the internal domestic side crew will remain strong, but also that as Scott wrote in his people that because of the pandemic and other countries are are are trying to manage the pandemic in the economic fallout. The US China competition. And the US domestic the presidential election, coming in November that North Korea might see this as in an opportune time to to. or at least they have some free space to lengthen beliefs so to speak. Okay, Scott you you. Let me. Answer your second question than yeah. UH, about recommendations, so pack you'll you'll. You'll slip broader proposal to revitalize. Denuclearization tools and what I neglected to say, also with regard to the inter-korean part of this. Is that USF K.? Is there like a critical coordinating role and a lot of the issues that John. Can Be distractions to that, but we really need to focus our eye on the ball. Right at this moment. With regard to the broader strategy that I try to outline in response to potential. You know esscalation was really primarily thinking about. How the North Koreans might be preparing. To use the the transition either to a second trump administration or to the drew Biden Administration. In order to try to launch in their position as a defacto nuclear power, and what kinds of challenges that creates for? offs and I think the biggest challenge that exists in the current narratives. has been that the North Friends have essentially attributed the prime motive for their pursuing a nuclear device much. To US hostility. So. I essentially argue that we need to go back to multilateral free more. Using the UN Luster Piano and South Fria as a way of building a consensus about what is necessary to address the global security threat that a nuclear North Korea osas. As a prerequisite to diplomatic engagement with North Korea and what I really had in mind. There's two slash. What the bottom line would be for international community. In a deal with North Korea, so that North Korea would see it, but also said that they would have no alternative by splitting power against each other. Bus To for that deal. And forced the other aspect of that. Kind of multilateral approach a tries to compartmentalize North Korea from rising tensions between the US and China. Don't know if that's actually possible. I think that the stablishment of multilateral framework could. could do. And also could. Provide vehicle by which to? by inviting in particular, the Chinese and Russians enter the process trying to get them back on side. in terms of sanctions enforcement are going to be necessary in order to show the North Koreans that they really need Schwinn gauge the process. I think it's important what what Scott gets to. I think really points to the problem of dealing with north. Korea is that they think in terms of dynasties rethink in terms of elections, and they and they know that and so it's it's hard for them to make agreements in part because presidents come and go in. South Korea in the United States and you know you and Japan and and and perhaps he'd been in China and Russia. In, so I think multi-lateralize ing has to provide that sustainability and credibility. On that I think right now is lacking right now. We have this extreme bilateral ation this hub and spoke model of dealing with. North Korea where it's you. North Korea in South Korea North Korea as you s China North Korea that that really makes it much easier for were created to play off the national interest in the national firearms of these countries. Into into amplify the differences in in those national priorities for three Hispasat. Okay well thank you. Both of you want we now open it up for QNA and most of you out. Pros at navigate Jinxue to to tool to Oscar question. You raise your little Luhan there. And I will call on you in the order that they appear just a reminder. The discussion is on the record so that returned to the first. Question not, and it's all here all welcome. If you just say who you are before, you ask your question. Yes. Thank you, can you hear me? We can hear you. I'm Paul here of former colleague. junks thanked hello to all three of you. Currently? distinguished what the Center for the national interest. And I just wanted to get back to the China issue. A little bit I agree with the point that Scott made earlier that this is probably something that Beijing is not entirely comfortable with because I, think we know that Beijing is a strong supporter of North South dialogue. My question really is. What does this say about? The status of the North Korea China relationship. Is this something that can genuine? Kim Joel Your John would have. Considered consulting with Beijing about an if not, which is I suspect not. What does it suggest about their? Toward Beijing that they would launch an initiative that was almost certain to to frustrate and annoy the Chinese. Thank you thank you who who would like to go first on that? I'll take a shot at it I mean the argument that I'm making is that with regards to an internal leadership matter? I don't think the north friends really are are carrying or consulting with anyone and I think that historically. in fact the records of North Korea Consultation on leaderships session has been mix. And and we know that historically The Chinese were not necessarily comfortable with a generational succession. and so I. I have a difficult time imagining that that conversation would take place today after all Xi, Jinping gave conjunction the cold shoulder for eight years before embracing end. And or seven years. And I'm not so sure that the Chinese really have much recourse. like everyone else when it comes to a set of that North Korea is taking for purely domestic political purposes. Young. Hi Paul Did you know that Paul hired me to the national? Intelligence Council so I still feel like a work for him. So You know. I agree with Scott I. Don't think that this was something that they recreate would consult with Beijing. And if anything create as much Wants to show its strengths and. that. It has it has the free independence of action. Is that that it also wants to show that it has independence of action for Beijing? And the goes. Korea's ammo right now is to. Act Now. Ask for forgiveness later. If necessary and this we're we're. We're still at a level that is not stolen. The beginning stages of Scott mentioned earlier. In the session of that, we're still now at this lower level. We. Don't know where it's going to go kind of a situation that. You know to what extent as Beijing going to be so irritated that it's going to start punishing I. Don't think that that factor I don't think it's going to. Beijing to start. To start punishing North Korea for this type of Inter Korean. Action. They do have leverage right the Chinese. Really did want to show that displeasure. The they do have ways to. That and to. Remind ill career Abou. Dependence on China's that correct. Sure, but you know, but the trainees interlocutors would say we have zero leverage you know North Korea does what they wanted with. They WANNA do and ties had been on ice for eight years. but I think what was so astonishing about the past two years of diplomacy is how quickly Xi Jinping started to mend fences with Kim Jong as soon as Kim decided to give it to engagement. So, what lesson does that send to? Kim Jong he can do three long range ballistic missile tests. He could do the most powerful nuclear test in September two thousand seventeen. And yet just a few months later, a Beijing Summons Cam or wants to meet with Kim, and they would meet for five know five times with Xi Jinping, actually gone to Pyongyang for the first time in fourteen years back in June of two thousand eighteen, so. If anything teams. Lesson from this is that Beijing will not abandon the north. Korea regardless of a three icy cast right, so is Beijing really going to do anything about some liaison office? Being blown up on North Korean territory. Okay so next to line. We have an on the verse fell. Hello Sandy, our you. Called it a very well. Sandy Verge Badland Council once upon a time embassador South Korea. When I thank both. Scott in the for this grey interesting. Looks like we lost you there sandy. How's that? Good. You controlling the mute button me. The internal. Drivers of the recent events is quite interesting, but it still worries me that this is going to have a further corrosive effect on the K. U. US alliance and Further alienates South Korean public opinion towards the United States which is already a bit raw over the impasse in the ECE negotiations. US pressured of wrote the South Koreans into an anti-china coalition. Threat to withdraw troops now serve further. Validated by the confirmation that we're going to pull out of Germany. How! Much. Could this also be? The North Korea motivation to drive much more substantial wedge between Washington and Seoul, and of course as traditional anti-american. Feelings among the ruling party. Could, that be either the intended or unintended consequences of this effort to initiate community John into the. POLITICAL STRATOSPHERE! That Scott Yeah. It's joke suggested Hurley. Those are collateral benefits and so. In a way, what's really interesting about especially the way that this began. About the balloons. And at that point, it looks to me like watch. The North Koreans had in mind was really a loyalty test. For Moon and a lot of thatch would've also revolved around trying to activate moon. To, be. More effective as an advocate a to president trump. And true to the states. in addition to essentially establishing moons loyalty. Is He more loyalty loyalty to Kim Jong? UN or it's more loyal to trump. But you know. Kim Jong role has been so public. And these statements have been. You know so raw and course. That Sh-. It feels like something else is at play. That is really overshadowing. Those other factors, and so I mean I I've come to this conclusion I. think rather cautiously. But I really do think that it's primarily internal. The collateral benefits are there the impact on Korean opinion. Will be I think very interesting to watch especially at this moment where moon you know has a strong public support. And, it's really interesting and complicated in the sense that the sound that the North Koreans are really putting. Moon into position also where? He has to kind of declare his identity. On issues related to values like freedom of expression. and so that's also a test for moon that I think. has deep impact both for South Korea, domestic politics, and for how it's perceived in the United States. John to? Nine okay. So thank you sandy next in line your Roslyn. Yes! I'm going to take us back to the discussion of China and you hear me. Yes, you could just speak up a little though that would be okay. I'm China I wonder. If you're underestimating how much China physician on, North Korea has already shifted. That this third spike in Chinese relations with North Korea has brought it, and in the coming along with the big deterioration and ties to the US has brought into a new position where he would respond differently. If there is this kind of laugh for. The US, the sides to do something assertive wouldn't China being trying to do something assertive? With Russia in tow. To counter the US because of the bad US China relationship and the new mood towards North, Korea, which some may not yet have focused on. That is I would say that is a fair question, and it's probably one of the issues that I worried about the most is I, made this proposal to shift to a multilateral a dialogue framework. precisely because China has been. You know so Active I mean it really at the level of state support in. Enabling. North Korea with sanctions. Evasion Opportunities on oil coal. Even import sent. And and like is as you mentioned Gill, the Walk with Russia in Security Council focusing on sanctions relaxation. and so you know the the interesting question is whether or not. Being engaged in a multilateral of process would be attractive at the stage. As potential vehicle for also having Chinese entrants expressed as part of that process, or whether, in fact, that is A double edged sword. That could actually. Make it difficult to achieve the process, but also might doom a multilateral process to to the already very high heap of sales efforts related to more free. Let me. Just add by Gil. Is that Kim has been sending these very lovely messages to Xi Jinping? Congratulating fee on his successful handling of the coronavirus. Defending China's actions on Hong Kong a protecting China's sovereignty and so you know I see some of those statements in recent weeks and months as a way for young to to tell a China that we're still on your side, you know we're still. We're still all good So that was those at least a symbolic on a away. North Korea, trying to make sure the Chine stole onboard. Next we have. Diana Dogar Diana. If you could just be sure to click the anew now. Well maybe we, we can come back to you. Okay. Why don't we try to come back to you later? David check. You had a question. You still with us! Any you hear me now. Yes all yeah David. Okay good I'm sorry. I got myself on mute there. It's Dave Schaffer from the council on foreign, relations and a former ambassador large for war crimes issues I'm just wondering with all the geostrategic issues that you've discussed today has the. Reality of crimes against humanity in North Korea, which is an issue that comes up occasionally. Is that of any relevance today in any of these. Issues and in particular is it relevant with the relationship with the United States whether it be the South Korean or the North Korean? Relationship with the United, states. Is this an issue? That has any bearing at all. On those relationships? It shouldn't. It shouldn't have bearing on all of these relationships for my perspective Scott may disagree. But. You know so. We used to have a human rights on Roy. and North Korea shoes but that decision was not filled or eliminated back in two thousand seventeen. And I think the human rights issue. keeps a particular resonance now up because of Corona virus, the regime continues to insist that there's zero infections in the country despite the almost nine hundred mile quarter and the robust smuggling and trade networks. That the two countries engage in but you know is is North Korea, going to be some sort of disease? Reservoir recurrent is not something that the Chinese have has to be worried about the in in for North Korea they have to be worried about some of the order areas in north. East, China, having a clusters of cases, coronavirus, and so as you know David The US has offered united. Corona buyers aid south. Korea has no put. Offered Humanitarian Aid and this is something that earthly has treated with you know at at arm's length, or with condescend were outright condescension. And I think at this particular moment and given the fact, experts say that we're going to move a bigger step away and that condemn acts of this kind are not going to go away. Even if we emerge on this particular situation that I would be worried about a country. Right in the smack of Northeast Asia. Where the second third and twelfth largest economies are located of having a country with forty forty percent of the operational nourished. Millions others don't have access to clean water or sanitation that we have to be worried about human rights in the context of a pandemics and. Public Health. What I would add to that is actually. It's to some degree of the multilateral matic approach that I. AM recommending builds on and takes a measure of inspiration from the. It's a it's a track record that is strewn with failure, but the relative success that the US had in the Obama Administration Multiple Ireland rising human rights. In order to effectively supports a commission of inquiry reports. That effectively named and shamed North Korea and actually. Motivated of the North Koreans more than we have seen on other issues to try to engage in some kind of diplomatic activity in worship void, the worst with regards to the inevitable conclusion of that process from their perspective. And so you know whereas previously and subsequently as long as the human rights issues trapped, you know in the framework of rhetoric about mutual hostility bilateral between the US and North Korea. That's actually I think a safer space for the north. Koreans because it provides a complete basis for non engagements on the issues and for. Mutual name-calling and so I think we just have a better chance if we can forge, and that's the real challenge forging consensus that creates a floor. on some of these issues whether it be human rights were denuclearization in dealing with North Korea. I think that it enhances our prospects for being able to. Actually. North Korea to watch in an environment where basically impunity has ranked. So a lot of the participants in addition to sandy foul, we have two other former ambassadors to Seoul. Tom Hobson Cathy. Stevens I encourage you to. Ask Any questions about this deeply interested in in your take on on what's going on and how South Korea's slightly to respond. To retry Diana one more time. And you hear me now, good. That was not a commercial. Anyway I wanted to go back to part of your earlier premise to agree to wish this is an internal issue within North Korea and you focused a lot on the issues of health, the sister in all these kinds of things, but I think some of us have lost track of. What if any effect, they sanctions are still continuing to have and remembering pictures of the people in the countryside who were having to force forced to give a good part of their rice portions to military and I'd like to hear some commentary on that and. I know we're going into summer, but I don't know what the prognosis is agriculturally or other ways, but are there. Some variables first of all update on. Any, continuing a meaningful sanction. Squeeze and also the problems just innately within North Korea. On its economic. Greg Christian anybody he takes well. I think that the sanctions continued to costs but when you look at the panel of experts reports from the United Nations what you end up feeling like after reading the report is that you're reading a roadmap for sanctions, evasion rather than reading about the successes of sanctions application. And this really stands out currently in the context of. Chinese and to some extent, Russian efforts to essentially protects the transfer of oil. To North Korea. But also the picture of The science that the North Koreans have access to the international financial system. there was a recent additional department of Justice. Stop you know. a whole group of acres around the world connected with a friend, thank. You know. Essentially. For utilizing, you out spanks. Transactions involving three that already been designated by sanctions. In terms of humanitarian impacts. Well. The reports from the UN have waxed and waned but I think that underlying that is the Chinese commenced to try to make sure that instability. Doesn't Develop in north free markets due to food, because saddled generate refugee flows and so I think that the Chinese are probably getting the North Koreans what they need at a low level, botch. You know the overall picture is one where. It's not maximum pressure and There are lots of ways in which North Korea has poked holes in the regime, and so it has to continually the. Updated and revised I. think in order to maintain its relevance. Now I think. I think that's right. I. With the with the Corona viruses don is the North Korea that it's making sanctions very effective. At least on sprayed issue. And that in the North Korea has decided that that you try to stop the disease from coming into north spreading in North Korea is more than an economy night. And I think or released as as as the economy, and that that this is a really. Bad Dilemma for North Korea to be facing, as sanctions are taking a bite despite some of these evasion and and Kim has really acknowledged that things are are difficult starting from December. Of Two thousand and nineteen, saying that Mercury is stand firm, but that you know told the North Korean people to buckle up because you know, we're here for prolonged struggle with the against the United States, so I think Kim is a pretty difficult situation, but one of the things that keeps saving Kim's Bacon so to speak. Is that the the ingenuity and the? Spirit of the north, Korean people and his officials in generating funds off for the regime. And I just might also mentioned the hard currency crunch that appears to be going on in Pyongyang. Is something to be watched because it's toppling northridge s ability to imports. And it could have resigned. His well. It's manifesting itself in North Korea, trying to bonds to soak up a private money in North Korea. That has seeped in. And also I think in the the levels of imports from China. took a catch in the context quarantine, but also maybe because the north. Koreans didn't have the cash available by what they want it. Okay next in line. We have general shop. Welcome skit. Hey good afternoon in up gracie annual. Thanks for a really great session. you know possible reintroduction of troops in potentially weapons in the DMZ United Nations Command will have a big role as far as making sure that the rules of the armistice are maintain. Danny of you will see a role now. The UN Security Council can and should take the help. Defuse it given where there's potential that you all stated is to wear out. Forces could be moved or issues. You think they can do anything. That would be helpful. The United Nations Security Council, thanks. To really interesting question. I. It's hard to I'm having a hard time envisioning an immediate tangible. Response from the Security Council and actually I think the UN command itself and. You know a really GonNa be on point for fashioning that kind of response more than. Anything that is going to come out of the street. Scape I. be of curious just to get your senses of Onder in South Korea. How you would be recommending now. Well, I wearing my UNC hat Make sure that it's very clear what the armistice allows does not allow that there's no violations be calling on. Area not to get anywhere year violating the rules of the armistice. Show my senior year I can't remember scattered job. You know whether the case on whether that liaison offices within the DMZ area that's governed by the by the armistice. I'm not sure whether it is or not whether they'll be investigation that bowls ads for the destruction of vanished goes through, but I'd be just making it very clear that need to reduce the continue to reduce tensions and knock you anything that can increase chances of provocation restoration. we have time for one more question. Welcome ambassador thank you. Thank you. Can, you hear me yes? Get. My Dog. I. I almost hesitate to answer, ask this question now. Because because there's been so much gargling with this whole conversation, I'm not sure these issues have been covered I. Guess I'm left with I. Understand the idea that most of this is is an effort to establish. Commu jong-il's as a as a designated successor, but I never really heard. Maybe I missed the answer anyone answer. At least two questions set that that I would have. which are you know why now? and. Why are they? Why is he may unleased against the south. Rather than the United States, or they still trying to keep some opening for dialogue with us, even say we. ATTACKED US out. Questions are hoping we. Get that little of yet, but. John You WanNa take a crack about. Yeah, thank you ambassador I. Just I. Don't think that this is specifically designed for succession issue, but I. DO think that it is designed to give. Can your junk credentials on the military side? But you know. That there is a other domestic reasons that I think Kim Jong Lens default is to be aggressive, especially given his lackluster performance on the economy, and that's something that he is admitted since last year that this is going to long hard fight. Is, basically, telling the people to work harder longer faster so I think it's it's. It's not just about Kanye Jong on giving her military child's, but also that Kim needs to show that he still remains steadfast in an weapons program in that he's not going to buckle despite these economic difficulties. One Scott. Assault. Try to address Y. South Korea instead of the US and I think it's because South, Korea. Aggression against South Korea is arch of the North Korean concept of Loyalty that can be shown as leadership within the North Korean framework. Okay? We unfortunately out of time with obviously go on for longer I WANNA. Thank every being on this Webinar and especially to use Scott and gung. Rate having you and. Just a reminder, these this Webinar will be i. put up on the website because it was on the record, so want to revisit any event. Please do. That I will in these proceedings. Everybody.

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Hope (and Contraband) in a Bottle

GroundTruth

29:34 min | 2 years ago

Hope (and Contraband) in a Bottle

"And. The killer taking their, which media are you from he, he thinks he saw you before on the ground truth project, the ground truth project, Ron, and Pakistan. That's Kelly Casula. She's a Korean American journalists based in South Korea. Truth. She's with a local interpreter named Jin young park. I guess. 'cause I Don. So that was just the police checking in with us about who we are. Yes, the gong Hoddle police. I recognize the guy from last time. Oh, I see. They just want to make sure that we're not radical or something like that because we are near the border. So God forbid, if we were crazy, could trigger something serious being this close Kellyanne. John Young are making their way to the rocky shores of an island, eight miles from North Korea. That's eight miles from a place where you can be thrown into a prison camp for watching a movie or being caught with a bible eight miles from a country that not only poses a nuclear threat to the region, but his home to some of the worst human rights violations in the world. They're going to this island because this is where North Korean defector named Joan Kwong ill goes to send packages to his home country. I'm Charles Senate, and this is ground truth. A podcast in partnership with WG be h ground. Truth brings you reporting from the ground by the next generation of journalists. Kelly Casula used to work with us at the ground truth project in Boston. Now she's an independent foreign correspondent this week. She brings us the story of a North Korean living in South Korea. He has dedicated himself to trying to save North Korean lives. Even if it means putting his own at risk. Then we're outside of jungle. Neal's apartment building in southern Seoul getting ready to head over to an island along the border of North Korea, but it was clear right away that he was having a little trouble waking up. Mr. Jones stomach hurts. From from drinking. He says. Good way detoxify hangover sending information to North Korea grant hangover cure. Underrated I've interviewed Mr. junk before and this is the first time that he's ever been hung over, but somehow it's a perfect portrait. On one hand, he's living large drinking too much whiskey and enjoying being a grandfather. He's fifty six years old and remix his Korean ballots in his spare time. On Monday night. On the other hand, Mr. Jong is haunted by his past, he's dedicated his free life. The one that began when he made it to South Korea to helping people still in the north, and he's found himself on the world stage at a defining moment in the history of the Korean peninsula. When he's not a historic job at a furniture store, he's running an organization called no chain for North Korea. It's a rag tag group of North Korean defectors. In some supporters, they raise money to send food and forbidden media to North Korea. That's why he's up so early today, despite the hangover. Green, several members of no chain for North Korea are here in the parking lot. Outside of Mr. Jones apartment. Their cars and trucks are loaded up with rice medicine and USB thumb drives to make the two and a half hour trip to the border. They make this Dr about twice a month. Maybe I should get in the front. We're getting a Mr. Jones car, but it's clear that he's still waiting for some. He's from the. So yeah, he's from the government is Mr.. Jong is looking for his security guard. A police officer paid for by the government. Mr. Jong may be living in South Korea now, but that doesn't mean he safe. There have been several cases of North Korean spies or radicals trying to assassinate defectors in the south. I know one defector whose door was broken down with an axe when I asked Mr. young about his safety. He started just laughs and says, I mean, what could really happen will they actually try to kill me? The security guards shows up and gets in the car with us. Mr John gets in the backseat and shows us something on his phone. It's an article from North Korean state newspaper use paper to North Korea, newspaper reported that he's tried to sneak in North Korea with the ball for Tarik. The article claims that Mr. Jong tried to bomb a statue of Kim Il-Sung North Korea's first leader to be cleared. Sin actually happened Mr.. Jong is grinning as we read it and he seems like he's mused by this. You'll get this. We don't take. Jimmy Kimmel Jamie hippo. Not that amusing threatening to kill me. The article is threatening to kill the atmosphere and the car suddenly changes. That's the thing about Mr. Jong he jokes around the lot, but his work is deadly serious, and it's field by a lifetime of trauma. Human rights. I should pause here to fill you in on Mr. Jones back story. You know, he escaped from North Korea, but there's a lot more to it when he was a kid in the nineteen seventies, he remembers life being pretty good North Korea. His family got government food rations, and they watch propaganda movies together in the evening. You go like this one about just hands brutal occupation of the Korean peninsula. When he was about seventeen, he joined the military for his mandatory ten year service. When he got out his parents arranged his marriage and the government assigned him pretty desirable job as a traitor of goods to China. He had two daughters and life looked promising. Then Kim Jong Il took over the country in the nineteen. Ninety s as a horrible famine swept through North Korea, conservative estimates, say about a quarter of a million people starved to death, but with a regime. So Paik it's really hard to know some groups estimate that there is many as three and a half million famine related deaths. Mr John was able to keep feeding his family because his job is a traitor, gave him easier access to the black market, but he remembers the horror of watching children waste away in the streets. Killing them this year, we sound so whenever he goes to work, he quiz see a body. So people piled up on the street who's tied a puncture. Like as if they were street cleaning the dead bodies of people. Yeah, there are dead bodies on the street. Late one night in nineteen ninety nine Mr John was sleeping when officers raided his house and arrested him with no explanation, they tortured him in a dark room with other prisoners for eight months. Mr. Jong through something called pigeon torture for soldiers tied them into a crouching position, but their hands chained to the wall behind their backs. He drew pictures of this for the United Nations years ago along with drawings of people being VN and eating rats and snakes to survive going. We thought it, you still haunted by nightmares. Mr John couldn't even hold himself up by the end of those eight months. His weight dropped from one hundred and sixty five pounds to about eighty. It turned out someone had accused mister Jong of being a spy. He eventually made a false confession just to get the torture to stop. Then Mr John was transferred to yoga prison camp. I heavily guarded labor. Colony with about forty six thousand political prisoners, including children. Many have compared them to Stalin's gulags. I spoke with an expert named Peter Ward about these camps. He's interviewed dozens of North Korean defectors over the years. Every human rights would be called proably has happened in those camps at some point or is still happening folks to push in torch. I'm so people have been told to death, many people. In fact, I mean, the human rights situation inside the camps is really costly. At Yoda prison camp, armed guards forced Mr. Jong to do hard labor for sixteen hours a day, seven days a week. The winters were so cold that the dead bodies of other prisoners would freeze into what he calls big jellied blocks of flesh. And Mr John would have to break them apart with a shovel and bury them as part of this job. Cool. Do not get in respect Esa Shimin. He was treated like an animal at the Qasim Trish in camp three years later in two thousand three. The government decided that Mr John was actually innocent and they released him from the prison camp, but he found that his house had been seized and the his family has gone. Mr.. Jones friends had already helped them fleet a China. Mr. Jong bought Chinese cell phone on the black market one that the government couldn't monitor any managed to track down his family. Just twelve days after leaving the prison camp. Mr. Jones, snuck across the border into China by swimming across the two men river. He reunited with his family and together they crossed through southeast Asia with the help of Christian missionaries, the South Korean embassy in Cambodia, then helped them reach Seoul. And when I asked him about it, he almost seems to block it out. What do you remember from that time? What did you see on news? How do you. Dare just fully focused on surviving and making it safely to South Korea. So there's, there's nothing he could really remember. It's not like they decisi or see other things. It's been fourteen years since Mr.. Jong made it to South Korea, fourteen years of rebuilding his life, but never forgetting the people. He left behind his friends neighbors, fellow prisoners, even family. Mr. young has a younger brother and North Korea who calls him about once a month using burner cellphone is he doing alright? Does Mr. Jong worry about him at all? So when the saw John Sony Titian. Mr. Jong is silent for a while. It's clear that it's painful to talk about. Helen Tennessee ill. So he's rather was born in North Korea. And once he was captured by intelligence agency in North Korea, but he was released after their mother said that, well, he's not my real son. He's like he's half brother or something in den. So because of that, he's not really having a little trouble in North Korea. He's just living his life. So in other words, because Mr. Jones younger brother isn't believed to be related to Mr. Jong. He's not suffering as much North Korea. Exactly. But many people are suffering in North Korea. Mister Jong believes the USB drives he sends across the border full of information from the outside world can help wake up North Koreans and spark some sort of revolution what will to push do. Legible. So North Korean people do brainwashed since they're young. So they don't know about this fact. They think they have a good life. So that's why does information dissemination of information is so important and it can initiate. So a lot of changes quoting human do phone. Of course, this is the end goal is to have the North Korean people to rise up and rebel against the North Korean government is pretty much he was to plant to cease for democratisation in North Korea. That's alternately also going to demolish or terminate the concentration camps in North Korea. So let's get back to the car with Mr Joan and the focus of the day sending food and USB thumb drives full of forbidden media to North Korea. Sits all just dirt paths from here to the shore. And you really can't see anything. It's all white because of the fog humbly field. We have arrived. After two hours of driving, we've crossed over bridge to an island just eight miles across the water from North Korea. These rocks are so incredibly jagged, and it's very difficult to figure out how to get to one side of the shore without tripping. I think that was probably safest. Okay. So we're at the store. Breath ashore, and they're on packaging the bag of rice and fight bowls, and. And everything else. Just inches away from the water. It's a bit of a media circus. There are more reporters here than there are people doing the send over. They come from all over summer South Korean. But most seems to be from Europe, Japan and Australia. Some groups like no chain send goods to North Korea using drones or balloons or even smugglers on the border of China. Mr. Jones latest send over strategy is a little different. He sends the packages in the water. He waits for the lowest possible tied which happens twice a month. And then let's the current carry the packages to North Korea. The packages are waterproof. The rice in US is are in recycled two liter water bottles. There, stuffing bibles donated by church into sealed plastic bags, and then taping them to the sides of those bottles. Aid sent to North Korea is often supplied by Christian churches and missionaries are also known to get involved with North Korean human rights. They even funded an entire technology university in North Korea today in total Mr. Jong and no chain or sending fifteen hundred pounds of rice. Four hundred USB thumb drives four hundred parasite treatments, two hundred bibles and one hundred fifty US dollars. Once the tide is at its lowest. Throwing the bottles of Bryce and other goods into the water, and you're starting to see them flow down the current towards North Korea. In about six hours to packages will reach North Korea, and they'll probably be picked up a young soldiers. Men who are often underfed and forced into their job. Mr. Jones is okay with that outcome. He hopes the USB is will be passed along so they each one can have an impact on multiple people, some North Koreans, the wealthier ones do have computers and smartphones, but the government has the power to monitor them very closely. A lot of North Korean devices can on a medically detect foreign media files and stop them from opening in some cases, devices, even delete them, North Korean phones are also known to automatically take screen shots. And police can ask to see them whenever they want. That's why some experts like Peter Ward are concerned about the US b.'s. We have to be very careful about the kind of content we'll try to get into the country. I don't think that religious stuff is a good idea. I think it's very, very dangerous. And the regime is liable to literally shoot all imprisoned for life people who are caught with the stuff. I don't think that sending an overtly anti chemist. Propaganda is a good idea. People may innocently Ingley pickup USB or DVD with this content, it discover it don't know what to do about to try and get rid of it. Get cold, disposing of it'll get caught and watching it that is extremely dangerous. Mr. Jong told me that he doesn't really see it as endangerment. He said that most North Koreans are savvy enough to quickly watch the material, then clear the USB or pass it along. As Mr. junk sees it. There's one major obstacle to his mission to stop the world's worst human rights crisis, a lack of support from South Koreans. So how is it possible that Mr. Jones costs could get so little play in South Korea? Why would one of the biggest humanitarian tragedies of our time receive just passive empathy or even apathy. Part of it is that people in South Korea aren't very focused on human rights, North Korea. Sure. It gets attention on TV and newspapers, South Koreans are still fighting for certain rights of their own things like labor rights and women's rights. But there's something else going on to some South Korean still hate North Korea, the regime and its people and many South Korean. Say it's about the economy a survey last year found about fifty. One percent of South Koreans think that the government should stop its policy of granting citizenship to all North Koreans who may get to South Korea and instead be more selective about who gets in. That's a fourteen percentage point jump from ten years earlier. Here's Peter Ward. Again, grains have an undeserved but bad reputations out green society because of huge political differences between the two systems and also some South Koreans who really do not want ahead an old crane action and do not want to employ people from that system and who perceive refugees from a poll foreign country as being socially unreliable unreliable in the workplace, etc. A low north grains encounted South Korean, soi insensitive or rude. Literally just as they do not want to employ them to know what to serve them. That. There was no official end to the Korean war. It's still an open wound. That's one reason for the tension, but South Korea's government was also run by military dictators until nineteen eighty seven. And these dictators played up the North Korea threat to justify their own authoritarian laws to this day, conservative politicians still call their political opponents pro-north or communist as an insult. There's even an old national security law and South Korea that makes it a crime to praise North Korea and two thousand fifteen. The South Korean government actually deported and banned the Korean American journalists for five years. She had said that some North Korean defectors she interviewed wanted to return home and that she liked the taste of North Korean beer or how clean North Korea's rivers were. There's also an economic factor right now. Many young South Korea. Rans and recent graduates are struggling to get jobs. So many people don't want anymore so-called burdens on the economy. Most south rooms do not get the welfare benefits and these polling data into case Crans odyssey as being a drain on resources. That's one issue which is we've got too many refugees. We've got two microns that expensive. That's fewer of to really understand the sign amac between north and South Korea. We should back up further to how career got separated in the first place more than seventy years ago. Okay. I promise not to bore you. I'm gonna tell you what happened to my own family chemo career news on the phony of his Japanese Munster's three say. In a straight health thoroughly, the Japanese simulating Korea that newsreel from nineteen thirty. One marks a time when Japan, brutally occupied, South Korea. My grandmother's mother and father were killed back then and she grew up having to speak Japanese. Korea was a unified empire before the Japanese came. But after Japan fell in World War Two, the US Russia swept in the US wanted to make the south democratic and the Soviet Union wanted to make the north communist. And they said that Koreans would decide later which system was best. So in nineteen forty five, the two countries drew a dividing line called the thirty eighth parallel and ever since Korea has been to. To come highly-trained and well-equipped North Korean army swarmed across the thirtieth parallel to attack unprepared, South Korean. Defenders caught off guard. They were all, but overwhelm until United Nations. Unit nineteen fifty North Korea invaded South Korea and a really horrible war. Again. Inested two point. Five million civilians were killed or wounded and the Korean peninsula was scarred by war that still not over my family was no exception to that. I grew up hearing stories from my mother about how my grandfather actually lived in North Korea. When he was a teenager, communist forces came into his family's house while they were having dinner, dragged his father outside title boulder around his neck and drown him in a river and front of his whole family. They targeted my grandfather's father because he was a landlord and they wanted his land. My grandfather was terrified. So he drugged his infant brother to keep him quiet and ran south in the middle of the night. At that point, at least two of his brothers had already died in the war, and his mother would soon lose her hand in a bombing. My grandfather was eventually drafted into the South Korean military every single time he fired his gun. He wondered if he was shooting at one of his own brothers on the other side. Even after the war was over, he suffered from terrible PTSD. He died from alcoholism at age fifty tragically young and on the southern side of the dividing line. My family story is heartbreaking and it's fairly common. So when Mr. Jong tries to raise money to help save lives North Korea, he's up against generations of complicated history and baggage, but he will keep going. He told me despite the dry spell's of donations and the lack of support at least one big name has taken an interest in Mr. Jones were we have a very special group of people with us today, user escapees from North Korea on January. Second, two thousand eighteen President Trump invited Mr John and other North Korean defectors to the White House to talk about North Korea's, human rights abuses. I thought through are really fabulous drip litter. We could probably go through a couple of their incredible, very inspirational. Mr. John was the second person to share his story. Yes, go ahead. Too, though. Mm, Cohn. Some people also imprisoned in North Korea, a political prison. So I was there for three years from both on Mr. John goes on to describe his work with no chain. He also tells Trump that he was moved by speech. He gave at the South Korean national assembly, three months earlier, he translated Trump's speech and included it an ascend overs North Korea. Thank you very much. Hope it helped. It's great in June months. After this meeting, President Trump had his big summit with North Korea's leader, Kim Jong. Mr. Jong was not optimistic. Uh-huh. Home with tooth. I'm moving Lou. He doesn't really understand why people think Kim Jong is more like a messenger for peace. He rather thinks that he is a devil with a smile on his face. He killed his own brother. He assassinated his brother and also he killed his one of the relatives. So he still person who doesn't really treat the people in the way they should be Trump claims. He mentioned human rights during the summit, but there's no public record of what he said. Mr.. Jong wants to be hopeful, but he's not convinced that the summit will have any real effect on the still unfolding tragedy of North Korea. He called it political theater. Last question. Mr John, do you think you'll do this work for the rest of your life and water you hoping for in the future. Chryssa e do chain eater pills, hang on. Progressing through the on at some point he wanted to give up. But now he feels like he has a sense of responsibility and a sense of duty to make this work, especially considering that they're still people and friends back in North Korea in the concentration camp. And he was the only one who got released. So he feels some kind of responsibility to make make it work for the rest of them. I can barely hear the last thing Mr. junk says completely. Sometimes he dreams about his friends. That was Kelly Casula reporting. This piece was produced by Rachel roar sound design by Mitch Hanley. I'm Charles Senate executive producer of the podcast and founder of the ground truth project which supports a new generation of journalists on the ground. Thanks to Nita poor sukey. Phil Rato Bob camp. John Ryan in Doug sugar tes w. Funding for this episode comes from news, the loose foundation and the MacArthur foundation. You can see a list of music used in this episode on our website, the ground truth project dot org. If you enjoyed this episode, let us know what you think. Give us a rating. Tell your friends. They can subscribe to the ground truth podcast on apple podcasts, NPR one or ever. They listen. If you ever miss an episode, you can find the entire archive at our website, the ground truth project dot org. Next time on ground truth, find out what really happened to these men after the ghost story, and we started investigating this what other people did to their fellow human beings while. Yeah, yeah, the idea that people hundred down like Frankenstein, you know, but it's true as in. I mean, the story of the dancing, ghosts we'd never had that type of experience where we would. We would hear a family, go story. It was fine. Got our attention. Thanks for listening.

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Broken Facts Machine - DTNS 3732

Daily Tech News Show

31:37 min | 1 year ago

Broken Facts Machine - DTNS 3732

"Coming up on S. L. shows off. Its Scroll -able mobile device screen you can get a robot to request companies. Delete your data and then have the robot. Sue them if they don't and a big fat check dispute hits face. This is daily Tech News for March. Fifth Twenty Twenty in Los Angeles. I'm John Merit and from Stool Redwood. I'm Sarah Lane from Oakland California. I'm Justin Robert. Young and on the show's producer. Roger Chain we were just talking about Oh all kinds of stuff. Justin Tales from the road Dentist Appointments Justin's birthday being today. Happy Burg Ami. You can get all of that by becoming a member and getting good day. Internet the lighter show at Patriotair Dot com slash. Ns Let's start with a few things you should know. Amazon and facebook have shut down their Seattle area offices after confirming that workers at both companies had contracted Cova Nineteen Amazon recommends that all Seattle and Bellevue Washington. Employees work from home. Facebook encourages Seattle employees to work from home. Google asked all of its employees in Washington state to work from home and yes Microsoft will let all of its Seattle and even San Francisco Area. Employees work from home. Twitter announced that it's expanded. Its rules around prohibited speech to include language that dehumanizes people on the basis of their age disability or disease new tweets that. Break these rules can result in account suspension vulnerability that impacts the Intel converged security and management. Engine's semi is worse than originally thought and the patch that was issued in. May Two thousand nineteen does not fully fix the issue the CSM CRIP. Graphically verifies and authenticates all the firmware running on a system and Marla from positive technologies found. The bug can be exploited by malware with root privileges to recover the chipset key and grant an attacker access to everything on a device previously. It was thought you needed physical access to exploit the vulnerability but apparently that's not the case. So for sensitive systems the only recourse is to replace the hardware and only Intel's tenth generation. Chips are free of this vulnerability. Samsung is launching. It's eight K and four K Q lead TV lineup in the US. There's a few different models but the flagship model is the Q. Nine five zero t s comes in sixty five inch seventy five inch and eighty five inch models running act seven sixty eighty four four forty three twenty eight a resolution the full array local demean or fault for short to maximize HDR quality and Pete Brightness by up to twenty percent over last year's models the TV's offer support for both amd's open source free sink and Invidia adjacent technology for gaming and contain a neural network for upscaling powered by the quantum processor. Two Point Eight K to play four K. programming. Because you know there's so much of that already know exact price or release dates just yes ball til you fall. The South Korean National Assembly unanimously passed an amendment to the country's financial services law that would authorize Korea's financial regulators to provide a framework for the regulation and legalization of crypto currencies and crypto exchanges. Regulators will develop rules around anti money laundering and other processes but loosen restrictions it placed on blockchain adoption during the crypto boom. Several years ago even way career well done and Anthony Lindau Ski. The former employees of Google and Uber's autonomous car units has been ordered to pay one hundred seventy nine million dollars to Google for unfair competition and a breach of a legal obligations Levin Ski and Leo Ron. Who settled separately with Google? Started their own autonomous car company bringing over Google employees and then sold the company to Uber Levin Taos. Ski Is also under federal indictment for stealing trade secrets from Google. That's a different case. Levin Dusky filed for Chapter Eleven Bankruptcy. After the decision all right. Let's talk a little more about something. Duck duck do go is doing to help. Other competitors protect your privacy. Indeed duck duck go has been collecting data about online trackers and has created a data set called tracker radar that it will Share with other companies to help protect user. Privacy Tracker radar has five thousand. Three hundred and twenty six domains from one thousand seven hundred twenty seven companies browser maker. Vivaldi says that it has begun using the data set to protect its users tracker radar data will be updated monthly duck duck go also sells an optional license for help using the data and Dr go says. Vivaldi WON'T BE THE LAST TWO. They have some other folks that are interested in taking advantage of this Pretty good to make it open Pretty smart to say. And if you want help with it you know we can make some money off it that way but otherwise we're just sharing the wealth so to speak as a way to help make people in general safer from tracking which is what. Dr Go builds. Its brand on their you care about this that it makes the duck duck. Go look better in the public is well. It's so funny that the online advertising world is so profitable that now there is a side hustle against online advertising right and make money stopping online advertising for money. There is in. This is that there is money to stop it. Bloomberg's Mark Gherman reports. That apple told technical support staff at it stores that replacement iphones for damaged devices will be in short supply for two to four weeks. Staff were apparently told they could offer may offer to mill replacement devices when they arrive and offer loner devices. In the meantime some of Bloomberg sources indicate replacement parts have also started to run low. This is mostly just a public service announcement. If you're thinking you might need to take your phone in or if you drop your phone break it and need to take it into an apple store You may not get it replaced right away. Which usually that has been the case. Because they're they're running running short because of the supply chain issues with the virus. Yeah and I've been there many times and usually it's sort of. I need this done right now. You know what kind of a situation. I wonder what the loaner device situation is because I have not historically known apple to be like. Yeah we got a refurbished iphone ten in the back here. We'll just give it to you until the part comes in. Yeah that's not. That has not been their situation in the past and Gherman sources. Don't make it clear. What the loaner device would be. My guess is either. They have a limited number of current iphones. That are set aside to be circulated soon as somebody gets their replacement than they handed off to the next one or it could be older different model. Iphones which is you know like you brought in an iphone. Ten S to be to be fixed. All they have is an iphone seven. Which isn't good enough for replacement but but at least you have something. Yeah exactly yeah but we don't know what that's about although I do want to highlight again because I think we're GonNa see more stories like this that we are seeing the supply chain issues from the corona virus. Come home that these are the kind of real world effects that you don't think of it when it's a far off a city in China that suffering from it you you suffer from it when you're screens cracked and you can't get it fixed today. Tc L. showed off to prototype devices with flexible screens. The first we saw. Yes that's the trifold phone. Six point six five inch phone. That folds down kind of unfolds. Three ways into a ten inch tablet. The phone uses two distinct hinges to fold flat. Tcl demonstrated using it as a two pane. Fold as well the other device however is a sliding design with a screen. That rolls up into the back of the phone. So it's G- rolls out. A dummy device was demo by TCL and a video concept showed a motorized screen unrolling at the push of a button but dummy device. You had to pull out yourself. Tcl says it's experimenting with a dozen or so form factors and has no time for any of these devices to come to market. But I love the scalable. I've been asking for a scalable since I was doing buzz out loud at seen it more than a decade ago. This scrabble screen just seems like the best way to go because hinges are tricky but if you can make them work they just they hide away. They're really nice like a pot door. I applaud you for even thinking of a concept like this ten years ago because when I saw the for anybody. Who's like scroll -able wha- I mean don't you screw on your phone anyway? No it's the phone itself gets bigger and smaller scrolling in and out of itself. It is pretty cool and yes. This is a dummy device. But once I saw I was like oh my goodness I had never thought about this yeah. I'm so I'm so focused on whether foldable phones or the right way to go scroll liberal. Phones are much more fun. Yeah think things scroll less like the gesture you make with your finger at four hundred which meant like the argument. That unfold unfurled as it gets a longer. I mean this seems a lot more. Structurally safe than hinges. Which have continued to have problems? And and we're now finding out that the rubber is kind of Once now that the rubber met the road it might not be ready for prime time. But I guess my larger question with all of this is is there a hunger for an I'll say novelty but but I guess I could probably be more than say experimental form factors like this are people excited for it either as a fashion accessory or as something that you could build a killer application on top practically speaking. I have wanted at from time to time the ability to just have my small phone that I can fit my pocket. Yeah able to have a bigger screen when I wanted to when. I'm reading a book or a comic book or playing a video. So that's where I think. A scroll or Shall I say unfurl lable screen earl -able is would be amazing right because you don't have to fold it up and then now it's twice as thick. It would have been it. Just it just rolls up into a corner of the phone can get bigger or smaller earning. It could actually have multiple sizes dream rate. You've got your phone. You've got your tablet all one thing Apple updated its APP store review guidelines. Those now stayed. The developers must admit new and updated. Apps using the IRS thirteen sdk implement sign in with apple for APPs that author of that that offer other services to log in with both starting April thirtieth. Twenty Twenty Bob will also announced that new apps in the dating and fortune telling categories will be rejected unless they provide a quote unique high quality experience and quote developers will also no longer be able to use custom notifications to ask for a user review. They'll have to use the. Api APPS can now send advertising push notifications if a user authorizes them and away to opt out is provided. Yeah the dating enforcing tailings a little weird until you consider that people just span the APP store with low quality APPS Let's say they're dating so they're just trying to crack down on that but the push notifications has some people very angry. A lot of people do not like the idea. That APPS will be able to send you an advertisement even if you can tell them not to. They're worried that they'll package the advertising notifications in with other notifications. That you want to trick you too getting them etc etc. I'll be honest. I've gotten ads as notifications from apps before even though they weren't supposed to be allowed so really. I'm I'm kind of glad that apple has set some rules to say. Look we know you guys are going to try to do it anyway. So here are the rules to follow. Yeah absolutely and I actually applaud. Apple has been very customer first in terms of trying to corral a push notifications in general. I think that the additions to the newest versions of IOS. That alert you that. Hey you don't seem to respond to these kinds of of a push notifications. Do you want to see them at all is something that has been helpful so yeah? I think from the developer side. Giving them an opportunity to do it if somebody wants to opt into it is good right but for the people complaining but good sweet sweet molasses life. Well I think it's exasperation really I mean. How many times have you seen some sort of notification where you're like okay? I'm going to go into my stadium. Suspects that happens all the time. And it's not because I changed my mind about letting an APP send me notifications just Kinda. I Dunno fell through the cracks so when people see this and then they say it's going to be some sort of upsell than I can see why it's an annoyance but it is really just an annoyance because you do have control over your own notifications as long as you want to take. That isn't here it from the screen like you can do it from the from from the alert screen now like you don't even have to go into your settings and find the APP and turn off the Bush notifications. You can do it at the point of exasperation I get it. If they didn't have those I would say that that that this is going to lessen the experience but come on people. There's already plenty of toggles. Do Not pay remember the robot lawyer service that started disputing parking tickets for you. It's expanded to multiple services like canceling streaming services. That's always annoying requesting compensation from airlines poor customer service stuff like that. The latest service from do not pay called digital health automates the process of requesting. Your data be deleted under the California Consumer Privacy Act the system contacts more than one hundred data brokers and requests. Your data be deleted shows. You what data they collected and can even file legal paperwork to sue. If companies fail to comply do not pay cost three bucks per month for access to all of it services. Yeah if you haven't checked in do not pay in a while go to do not pay dot com you can schedule your appointment with the DMV in Texas and California Arizona and North Carolina. You can you can block robocalls and sue people who do robocalls like when I say do this. I mean you can just tell the robot do that and then it does all the work. Yeah Yeah there's a billion company I I use them a few times or maybe it wasn't do not pay but it was one of his somebody with parking tickets because back when I had four it was called. Do not pay because that's how it started another name. Yeah and then they had to stop operating in Oakland because I guess too. Many people were using it then. There was some kind of dispute with the local government. Who knows I don't know if they're back anyhow? A brilliant idea absolutely loved it and I look forward to do more Interaction with this concept for three dollars a month. I want to sue robocaller and I'm I'm happy to work with. Do not pay I. Also you know stuff like oh the airline you know. You had a bad experience on now. How often do you go back and get your five dollars back? Because the WIFI sucked I mean. Some people are probably really diligent about that. I tend to just go. It's going to be such a nightmare. I'm GonNa be on the phone with someone from United for like twenty minutes again. It's the convenience. Sometimes it's worth it. The the effect of this will be to change those policies because right now they have a policy so they can point to it but they know no one will go to the trouble of going through the steps to make it happen. But now that you don't have to go to the trouble you can have the robot do it for you. Maybe more people start taking advantage of it. Then you start to see these policies change we we start seeing those policies change or we start to see companies saying you we will not accept. Robots submitted complaints That's when you do not pay. His really made a big. Yeah all right folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day but you only got five minutes to spare. We have the solution daily tech headlines. Go get it. Daily Tech Dot Com. We're GONNA talk about the facebook fact checking problem. That is occurring this week. There's a controversy as Justin has foretold. This could never work perfectly forever and we have our first. It's not the first problem. But it's the first big showdown between a fact checking entity and a big publisher. Here's what happened. Facebook's fact checking partners have been certified through the Poynter Institute's Nonpartisan International Fact Checking Network. So these are not picked facebook. They're picked by a highly respected Journalistic Agency. Anyone who has picked by the IFC N can then label a story partly false label it as having a false headline or just say the things false. There's there's other categories like satire. In opinion too but as far as false goes those are your three choices and it only takes one partner to do that. There are different partners in different regions. The partners in the United States are. Afp United States the Associated Press. Check your fact fact. Check DOT ORG lead. Story's political science feedback and Reuters fact. Check check your fact is a subsidiary of a conservative publication called the daily caller. And this week. The president of the United States was speaking about the corona virus and said now the Democrats are politicizing. The Corona Vice. You know that right corona virus they're politicizing. We did one of the great jobs. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They've been doing it since you got in. It's all turning. They lost its alternative. Think of think of it and this is their new hoax slopes rated that quote from the President has mixed saying quote despite creating some confusion with his remarks. Trump did not call the corona virus itself hoax now. Snow is not one of the fact checking organizations working with facebook. They are used by a lot of people and snow. Said didn't call the corona virus itself a hoax but it was confusing. Politico wrote a story headline trump rallies based to treat corona virus as a hoax. Nbc News wrote a story headlined. Trump's calls corona virus Democrat's new hoax. Check your fact rated both headlines as false on facebook with the explanatory note trump actually described democratic complaints about his handling of the virus threat as a hoax now political and NBC News. Took issue with this saying no we were describing a quote and we don't think it was false check. Your facts said well we do. Publishers have only one route to appeal on facebook's labeling it's to go to the fact checking agency itself in this case check your act and ask them to reconsider the only other remedy would be to try to get the IFC EH. Poynter institute's arm to reject the fact checking entity entirely for failure to meet its guidelines which. That's a big thing to prove. So who you think is right in this case whether it's check your fact politico NBC News. There's somebody else that's not the issue for us. The heat of this controversy is this is the first big case where you have. The vetted fact checking agency that facebook has deemed to be appropriate at odds with not small blogs not leftist publications but mainstream publications over something that they say. Look that's that's not right. What your headline is not correct. Justin you've been saying for a long time that this was going to happen Where where are you sitting with this sitting Tom? You can't sit when you're taking a victory lap. Exactly what I'm doing right now because say it with me. Everybody the idea that you can try to police this especially if you're trying to deputise other people to do it is a Hashtag. Hell Portal Hashtag portable. Hell it's both at the same time. There's no there is no doubt in my mind that this was going to end here for the following reasons regardless again about the facts of this When you are in a world where you are deputising outlets content outlets to be the ones that determine whether something is a factor not maybe misleading. Maybe with some kind of tag but the idea you are so concerned about whether or not there are lies told on the Internet that you are putting these people in charge and giving them such a authoritative language. Thanks to your platform was always going to end up in in disaster. Because Tom in your experience in this industry of Tech Journalism. How excited by your estimation do reporters get when they are reported on by another outlet? Quite quite excited excited may not be exactly the right word but there is excitement. Yes angry would be the way that I would. I would In any in any instance in any form of journalism journalists it's one of the great quirks of the industry. Journalists hate being reported on by other reporters they hate having Their work challenge and this is literally just that. This kind of conflict was inevitable beyond that like the beyond the fact that this was always going to be a surface fight. It's just hard. It's very hardy. In fact I would say it might be an impossible. Task do determine with authoritative language facts on the Internet. It is it is far more complicated than than anybody who really pays attention to this. Just barely base it into this. Kind of story would like to admit this. Is the issue right right here today? Everybody agrees that obviously untrue story should be labeled false. There's there's not the right way when someone says you know. The president of the United States isn't alien. We're like that's not true. Every everyone agrees that the plausibly untrue stuff that is you know when you scratch the surface. Not True like this person was fired and then you find out. We'll know they weren't that stuff should be labeled false. It's these edge cases that are the ones that are difficult. So yeah you risk throwing the baby and the bathwater out at same time. If you say well you can't check any facts because there are things that are untrue that these organizations can be good at finding but where you draw the line as where you always have a problem and if you noticed the fact checking organizations in the United States I mentioned. Were not the the news organizations? They were fact checking arms of gains organizations or fact checking institutes of their own that just stand on their own like from the Annenberg school or something like that. So facebook's try to do it right there like we're GonNa get people who do this for a living. We're going to get them from across the spectrum so that it's not just one perspective on what's true and what's not and the fact of the matter is you're always going to have these edge cases now just an are you saying that means. You shouldn't do it at all or should it just be like well occasionally at this is going to happen and we take that as a cost of doing business. I tend to lean toward the harder. You work at this the the more you're trying to squeeze in the more falls through your fingers. It doesn't do it. Then they're they`re. They're facing worse criticism from people. Aren't they sword? Yeah then he's worse criticism. I mean like I think there is a expectation that we have as consumers as to what facebook can do that. I think is unreasonable that they should not be held to the idea that that everything that might be ally can be can be filtered out. There's again I do think that it's very hard now you're right out and out falsehoods like Hillary Clinton dead at the age of fifty one or something like that comes out tomorrow. Yes that's something that can and should be marked in weeded out. I think that there are different than that. That's a different problem to solve for other than getting into a situation where you are fighting over intentionally sensational headlines like I think the politico and NBC News are great organizations that do great work at the same time that political headline is written to be clicked on it all like all headlines are all yes and some of the best are intentionally there so people are like wait what click on it go and interact with it especially there's other goes viral and facebook. The last I'll add to this because I know people out there thinking it is well. Why don't you get rid of the fact checking organizations that run afoul and that is up to the international checking network? The poynter institute is fairly well respected and even if you disagree with them as a result of this story. They're saying that these agencies are reliable so if they're saying that and they're not willing to change their mind because of this one story which honestly is not that crazy. It's you know it's not out of the realm of possibility. It's not like they labeled something. Demonstrably true is false or vice versa. Confusing statement then. Hope to me that that is this working right. You're going to have these controversies if this kind of thing is happening well controversial or not. A lot of people submit wonderful stories to our sub reddit and we thank you every day. You could submit something that you think is worth our time and vote on others. Daily Tech News. Show DOT READY DOT com. Let's move onto Chris. Christianson are amateur traveller. Who has a tip for finding work remotely? This is Chris Christensen from Ama- traveler with another tech in travel minute. If you have a job that you can do remotely and you want to do so. Just because the corona viruses out there. Or maybe because you WanNa do it near a tropical beach you can search for remote jobs either on a specialized search engine like flex jobs dot com or when you go to one of the regular job sites like indeed dot com instead of putting in your location put in remote and you can find a job might let you travel at the same time. I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler. Man Chris Christopherson he's He's facing difficult times with reduced. Travel on the rise here but Nice work finding a way to to make lemons at eliminate there. I'll let's check out the MAILBAG. Let's do it. We had a discussion yesterday. About what makes a good coder and The Answer Minister Prize. You adjacent from Chicago wrote. I can attest to reasoning being as important as math skills in programming. I've working software engineer for thirty five years. I was a liberal arts major with a concentration in math. I knew I wanted to do software. But my school didn't have a concentration. In retrospect I did better being more general. I can't remember any of the math but the training problem solving has stayed with me. I have a mantra for any of my teams which says think about the problem. Not The solution and Ian followed up with his own experience in the late Seventies. He says I was an Undergrad in college and worked as a computer lab assistant. I would help students with programming. Basis basic I found a near perfect correlation between the person's skills with programming and their proficiency in doing proofs in high school geometry. I mentioned this to a professor. He suggested I write a paper about it. That never came about but I always felt that the same skill set was used in both thought processes. 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"Support for NPR and the following message come from Dulles International Airport with the highest on time takeoff percentage of any airport on the east coast. I a d means I'm already departing more at fly Dulles dot com slash fast. This is my dad, Jim this is my daughter Becky where counting down the days to meeting up for the NPR politics podcast show in Philadelphia. Philadelphia is the birthplace of our countries to most important documents. If you're an NPR listener, you probably have the constitution to declare what they are this podcast was recorded at the puns. Okay. It was recorded at two seventeen PM on Thursday, the twenty fifth of April things may have changed by the time. You hear this one thing that hasn't changed is our love of debating politics talking history and my dad's puns see at the show. Okay. So our Philly team will be there at the national constitution center. Tomorrow night for a live podcast. And the good news is that there are still a few tickets available. You can find them at NPR presents dot org. Reno there's at least two people in the audience them. So there you go. You have. Somewhere between two and sold out. Hey there. It's the PR politics podcast. I'm Timur Keith. I cover the White House. I'm Kelsey Snell cover congress. I'm Danielle Kurtz and political reporter, and I'm Mara Liasson national political correspondent alright. So we have a great roundup today, and we are going to start with. I don't know. Some surprising news or some not so surprising. This is my surprise voice. Vice president Joe Biden made it official today. He is running for president number twenty. We are shocked waiver twenty twenty no one else is allowed in. That's it. That's the pool. Well, and that's the max for the two nights of debates max stage. So if anybody else gets in somebody's going to get voted off the island, man, I mean, you could always have a parking lot debate Biden put out a video this morning to make it official Charlottesville Virginia is home to the author of one of the great documents in human history. We know by heart. We hold these truths to be self evident. He starts talking about the white supremacist March in Charlottesville Virginia was there in August. Twenty seventeen we saw clansman and white supremacist and Neo Nazis, come out in the open and that brings him to the president of the United States. And that's when we heard the words the prison. United States that stunned the world and shocked the conscience of this nation. He said there were quote, some very fine people on both sides ferry. Find people on both sides. Those words the president understates assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading name than those who the courage to stand against it. In that moment. I knew the threat to this nation was unlike any either ever seen in my lifetime. I wrote it to time there were in the battle for the soul of this nation. That's even more true today. We are in the battle for the soul of this nation. I believe he's trained minus reaction to this was to think back to twenty sixteen and twenty eighteen I mean, Biden is clearly making an arguments that a the soul of America's at stake and be that Donald Trump is the person who is the big threat to the soul of America, but running against Donald Trump in two thousand sixteen didn't yield victory for Hillary Clinton. I just kept thinking of that adds she had of all the little kids watching Donald Trump speeches and Democrats very very clearly didn't run specifically against Donald Trump and twenty eighteen they ran on healthcare. So I just found myself watching this and wondering well would this kind of a message work? Well, the Biden campaign has a different theory of the case number one Trump is no longer. A theoretical president. He's an actual President Trump people Democrats have seen him and recoiled from him in horror even ones who weren't quite sure if he would be the same in office as on the campaign trail, number two. To Biden is making the message. I am the strongest general election candidate to be Donald Trump. And the second message that he's sending which is a message not for the general election. But for the primaries, the reason why he focused so much on Charlottesville is he's got the democratic base in mind, which is heavily African American and what I've been told by Biden people is look the one thing that unites all Democrats is opposing Trump. It's not like Biden is going to be talking about this. Every single day has got a whole rollout plan where he's going to be giving speeches about the middle class, and and about foreign policy and other things and that he more than the other candidates can get away with this or actually prosper by it. Because everyone already knows who he is most people spend their announcement videos saying here, I am with my wonderful, golden retriever or here's the town. I grew up in or this is the kind of democrat democrat. I am right or my policies. Yeah. And you know, one thing that I heard from a democrat earlier today was. Not only is he able to make a different argument because people know who he is. But he isn't like a member of congress running for office where they have to speak to a relatively small group of people and fight for a relatively narrow middle. So the the middle ground of voters in say a congressional district one congressional district in I don't know Pennsylvania's really different than fighting for the middle ground of the country. And that Biden is is making the he's speaking specifically to Democrats right now, but setting up the possibility and showing them that he can speak to everybody later. Yeah. And and that is this thing that, you know, those of us who've been out on the trail of heard again, and again, and it also shows up in polling this idea of electability that you talked to any democrat. And at some point they they will say, well, the the key attribute I want in a nominee is someone who can beat Donald Trump. And no one really knows what that means for them. Exactly right, Biden seems to be trying to say. Hey, it's me, and it doesn't sound like it's very ideological because what's really interesting about the polls in the democratic primary right now and posed on count for very much as early stage, but Biden is on top followed very closely behind by Bernie Sanders, but huge majorities like seventy five percent of Democrats say they would be fine with either one and an Iowa poll recently showed that for for Biden, supporters and Sanders supporters. The other key Biden Sanders are the second choice for each other. And that almost makes no sense. They couldn't be more farther apart ideologically shows, you the Democrats really aren't in an ideological frame of mind. Yeah. In fact, and this is going back to last year. But I mean, when Biden has laid out his his case, there was a speech. He gave at Brookings last year. I believe it was in may of twenty eighteen where he explicitly said, I look I'm not Bernie Sanders like he's trot. He has made the case that nah, I'm I am not one of those people at Donald Trump can label a socialist is kind of essentially the message I get from him. So it's kind of amazing to think that that a voter might see them as all right? I could. Was explained to me is the worst possible thing that could happen for Democrats in twenty twenty is an asteroid would destroy the earth. The second worst possible thing is the Donald Trump gets reelected. I mean, Democrats are focused on the prize here. Right. But the thing that I think doesn't actually help. Either job had an orbiting Sanders is that when people go to vote in these primaries, they don't get choose both. They have to choose one of them. And there will at some point in time have to be thing that distinguishes what it is about any individual any one of these twenty people that actually could be presidential electable, and, you know, speak to not just, you know, Democrats kind of have to bases going here. Right. They've got the progressive base. And then they had these new moderates that they want to be their base for congressional elections. And somehow the same person has to talk to both of those and what's really interesting about trying to put the democratic field into lanes because it's very hard. But there is although ideologically Sanders and Biden are not in the same lane in one way, they are because one. The most important things for Democrats is to have a somebody on the ticket that can appeal to Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin someone with rust belt cred. And both of them would argue that they have that. I'd also put them in another lane in that they're both white. They're both white. Also true. They're very different. But but I'm talking about in terms of their ability to to win. Sanders says I can get those white working class Trump voters back and Biden says I'm a son of Scranton rand, I can do that. And look where he's been every event he's had in public has been before labor union audience. That's where he's going on Monday in Pittsburgh that the labor union audience to me is a proxy for Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Well, and he's actually going to Pennsylvania nothing about electability that both Marin Kelsey of brought up here, though, is that I've been on the campaign trail this year anything that I hear at pretty much every event sometimes maybe often more than once is some voter saying to me I would love to vote for so. And so, but I am afraid that they can't win. So instead, I'm going to go with so and so and often the second. So and so is a white guy. I've had voters say this about women. I would love to vote for women. But I don't think she can win had a voter say this me about people to judge. I don't think a gay man can win. And what I find. So fascinating about this is two things one. We just got off of twenty eighteen when Democrats I couldn't like you couldn't go anywhere without Democrats talking about it is the year of the woman look at all of these women look at all these diverse women that we are electing this year. There's a cautiousness that seems to have made everybody pull one eighty on the other hand, you also hear Democrats say that what they want on the ticket in some configuration is a women slash minority and someone who can appeal to those rust belt states, right? I don't know exactly how that happens. But I would put money that there will be a female person on the democratic ticket. I'm I with you on that the other thing though, that I'm curious about is that if Democrats if democratic primary voters are doing all of these mental gymnastics instead of saying, here's what I want their thinking. Here's what I would bet everyone else wants, this is what I bet people in Wisconsin. What what we're going to end up. With is not the revealed preference of the democratic primary electorate. We're going to end up with is what the democratic primary electorate thinks everyone else wants, which is kind of a weird meadow. Away. Voting thing is their preference. In other words, whether they're voting with their header, their heart. They're still changing the candidate that they want for whatever reason that's fair. Yeah. I mean, John Kerry probably got the nomination because everyone thought oh, he's a veteran. He can take on Bush, Sean on the Iraq war, for instance. But isn't that always kind of the dilemma of running against an incumbent is you face this, no matter which party, you're from or what year it is. There is that part of trying to figure out is are are looking for a brand new fresh face or you looking for some sort of way to triangulate the leftover population that doesn't hate the current purse. I yeah. And there and in the Democratic Party. There are people who want a fresh face. They wanna fall in love with the next Obama. And then there are people who just want an end to the chaos. They want us an com, experienced wise, diplomatic presidential person. And in a preview of things to come perhaps, President Trump responded very quickly to Biden's announcement with a tweet of his own. Own. He says welcome to the race sleepy. Joe? I only hope you have the intelligence long in doubt to wages successful primary campaign. It'll be nasty you'll be dealing with people who truly have some very sick and demented ideas. But if you make it I will see you at the starting gate exclamation point. That was a booster Biden. All right. We are going to have a lifetime to talk about this, or at least many many months, but for now we're gonna take a quick break. And when we come back the White House move to block congressional investigations support for NPR and the following message. 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I mean, lying is part of the business. In my opinion. The best revenge against ISIS is to be humane mess supposed to pinch. Yeah. Episodes every other Wednesday subscribed. And we're back, and it's been a week since the mall report came out and house. Democrats have now issued a subpoena for what turned out to be Muller star witness former White House counsel, Don Mcgann, Mara. Can you remind everyone who he is Don Mcgann is the former White House counsel. He spent I think about thirty hours with the special counsel, and he provided testimony that sh- has Donald Trump asking him to get special counsel Muller fired and Don Mcgann didn't do it. And as a matter of fact, the special counsel said that although Donald Trump tried to do things that would be obstruction of Justice. He failed mostly because people beneath him like, Don Mcgann refused to carry out his orders. At one point Don Mcgann is quoted in this Meller report as saying that the president was asking him to do crazy, expletive deleted. There's a lot of expletive deleted. And that report. So Kelsey why Democrats want to hear from him? I guess it's probably pretty obvious. Well, it's it is pretty obvious in the sense that he was the star witness in the Muller report. But he also gets to the part of the mall report that Democrats are most interested in right now. And that is the question of obstruction of Justice. Now Muller left it up to Democrats to decide this question. He says it in the very beginning of volume two of that report saying that it will be up to congress to decide whether or not they can reach any kind of judgment about obstruction of Justice. And he lets the part where they start talking about the question of impeachment. So Democrats are doing exactly what they said they were going to do which is follow the breadcrumbs that they believe were laid out for them by Muller, and that starts in large part with Mcgann because he could give them the kind of political stability and framework for everything that they want to do going forward because he is viewed by by Democrats and Republicans as a credible person. He is a witness to things as an. Turney somebody who took note somebody who the president himself said he trusted and he testified under oath, right? So Tam is Don Mcgann gonna testify in congress. If he does it. It might be the next congress. The House Judiciary committee issued the subpoena. The White House is making it very clear all the way up to the president that they do not intend to let him testify. These aren't like impartial people. The Democrats are trying to win twenty twenty. So the White House argument here is as one aide put it to me, what is Jerry Nadler, the chairman of the judiciary committee going to be able to uncover that Robert Mueller has an already laid out in his report. The White House is saying we don't have to cooperate. We are done. We you know, we let everybody sit down for interviews with Muller's team. We are done playing ball. We're not gonna let the the Democrats investigate us or we're not going to make it easy for them. I have a very basic question from a legal non expert like if the house subpoenas people from the White House can the White House. Do this can the White House just say, nah. No, thanks. Well, I mean, they have to give a reason why and and that can be challenged. So that's where we get to the term executive privilege, which is something that presidents can invoke. They can say this involves. For sations and deliberations, and the and violates the separation of powers, and we don't want allow this testimony. We don't want to turn over these documents. But Tim, I know that you've been looking at this from your side, the White House side, and I've been looking at this a little bit from the congressional side. It's not really settled yet whether or not they can invoke executive privilege privilege with Mcgann, right? Yeah. Mcgann provided all of this testimony to Muller, and the White House would argue we can still invoke this because Muller was part of the executive branch. We're going to say that Mcgann can't testify because that would be a different branch of government violation of separation of they've been boasting about how they waved executive privilege, and they never claimed it just to show how transparent and cooperative. They were. Right. And that period is over. This is going to probably inevitably be litigated one. Fascinating fun. Fact is that the Trump White House has not yet ever to this point invoked executive privilege, and they haven't yet done it with Mcgann, my guess is that you know, Mcgann is going to wait as long as possible to respond to the subpoena at some point the White House is going to tell him what they want. It turns out the president is the only one who can invoke executive privilege, but my guess is there's going to be a long back and forth before the White House actually invokes privilege, if they do in a situation where you issue a subpoena, and there's an argument about executive privilege with the White House the person requesting and or making the sending the subpoena is probably very well prepared for either outcome and has a political response. I know that Democrats absolutely have a political response for either outcome. They would be happy. If the if the president let Mcgann come up, and they would be very happy to say that the president is standing in the way of their investigation into obstruction of Justice. It would in a lot of ways validate for them and give them a bigger message to say, not only did he obstruct Justice. He's obstructing our investigation of obstruction of Justice of the big mysteries of Donald Trump was if he's innocent, why did he and so many people around him lie? Why have they resisted turning over documents of about? Many things tax returns financial documents now people from his from the administration going to testify in congress, and that's really been a mystery. I mean, why if you say you are exonerated by Muller? Why don't you want to write let people test, but doesn't go back to the whole idea that the Muller report really just speaks to people's political leanings wherever they are already. Because if you believe the president is is innocent, and is being persecuted by Democrats, and you say, why should he give up this information in these documents, the requests are political and not founded where if you believe that the president did something wrong, then you can see him not not complying as further evidence that he has done something wrong. Right. Except then on top of that. There's the added layer of if you do think he's done something wrong. And that this is evidence of that. Then you have this rift among those people Democrats of okay? What do you do about it? Like, do you investigate? Do you impeach to you do this you to that? And and that's where you know, all of the big divides that we've seen on hill and in the presidential. Race. Come in President Trump said this is all about twenty twenty. What voters think I mean? I'll tell you that I have yet to talk to a voter who brings us up when I asked them what issues do you care about? And I ask every voter. I talked to that very question. Like Muller has not come up. None of this has come up. I mean, Democrats are are convinced that no we don't like President Trump. We would rather he were not in office. I'm sure there's I'm sure there's plenty of divides among them. This is not a thing about them about. I'm sure there's plenty of divides about impeachment, and what should be done once again, but their minds are already kind of made up on this. Instead what they care about is, healthcare and jobs in all of and racial Justice. The green new deal climate change. All these other things that they see is more essential threats and with that we are going to take a quick break. And when we get back can't let it go support for this podcast and the following message come from Dallas international airport with a dedicated and free airport. Access highway from the beltway. I a d means it's accessible to DC with the highest on time takeoff percentage of any airport on the east coast. 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The host of one a on Fridays. We make sense of the world. It's your chance to catch up on the week's top stories and prepare for what's next. Check out the Friday news roundup in the one a podcast on the NPR one or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back, and let's end the show like we do every week with can't let it go where we talk about the things that happened this week that we just can't stop thinking about politics or otherwise Mara. Well, this one is politics. And otherwise, a South Korean politician was locked in his office by rival lawmakers for six hours they were trying to prevent him from taking a vote eleven members of the rival party took a sofa and sat on it and put it across his door. So he couldn't get out. He was stuck in his office with four of his aides. So what did he decide to do? He decided to open the window which could only open a little bit and hold a press conference by yelling out the window. And the reason that I love the stories first of all it reminds me of all those great videos of people scuffling on the floor of the assembly, and whose Becca STAN or Slovakia sure, why didn't you use Skype? There's so many there's so many options. But apparently, there's a history of this kind of thing in the South Korean national assembly in two thousand and four a scuffle broke out during an impeachment vote and in two thousand and eleven and opposition politician, set off a tear gas canister trying to stop the passage of a free trade agreement with the US. Well, unlike two thousand eleven everybody's out there doing it for the Instagram now. Right. So I think that you could away better Instagram out of shouting out of a window than you do of going on Skype. The police did eventually come and get them out. What maybe we shouldn't publicize. This. Do we want our law makers to get new ideas? I mean, hey, you know, I would I would be all for. I'm gonna show up to all of your press conferences where you shout out a tiny window take notes. Senators Kelsey, why can't you like, well, I was in a supermarket in northwest Illinois just a day or two ago, and I was walking past an end cap, and I don't I'm not around a lot of toys a lot and was a Barbie and cabinet was career Barbie's. Now there were two Barbies right next to each other. And I hadn't seen these ever before. One is actually a Ken doll and Ken has a couple of career options and his primary career option. According to Mattel is barista. Recent college grad underemployed, Ken, he has distress jeans KENDALL comes with a looks like it's already printed onto his shirt slash. I don't know kind of apron combo with a coffee Cup. And he's also got a man, but he has a man bun can has an inbound this is a cultural watershed on the ultimate disgrace. Here. I think is that while Barbie has actual haircuts. Man. Bun is plastic it does appear to but he has a mandate on that is the most, you know, the thing that I have crossed crossed the line here. But I think is as much as his man bun is amazing. I think it's amazing. Also that the list of jobs that can can have according to the Barbie website, our firefighter barista, lifeguard and soccer player and the careers available to Barbie rain. Oh, president of the United States US Senator she gets to be a pilot or an astronaut, but she also gets to run for office. So that is awesome. I think they're overcompensating. And candidate Barbara you was the one who was sitting next to barista Ken in the end cap of the supermarket and north west Iowa and just she political candidate dollars running for office in a professional look with the accessories. That's kind of like Selina Meyer lane to our list. Can we explain to our listeners? What is in cap? Oh, sure the end cap is at the very end of the aisle. And this one was prominently displayed in next the Starbucks. The in store starving czar designed for impulse buys like, I just imagine the kindle entrapped in his little plastic box looking out of the Starbucks thinking, I could work there. Someday. Candle or some clearance. Easter candy judging by what else was on the calf. So. Best of all worlds. Okay. I think I'm going to go next. So today there was a briefing at the White House for the first time in forty five days. Ooh, though, no news came out of it. Because it was a briefing for children today was today was bring your child to work day. I did not bring my children because I figured I was going to be reporting recording this podcast later, and it would be a disaster down my children in this tiny booth. But so Sarah Sanders held a briefing for children, and at the end of the briefing, someone shouted when are you going to hold a briefing for the real journalists way to kit her a reporter, it was a report on wait. Look, what kinds of questions do the kids ask and also do any journalists try to plant real questions with the children? Well, some of the children one child had a pretty pointed question asked about child separation. Oh, but you know, there were other questions like what is the president's greatest accomplishment, and what kind of ice cream does the president. Like, what was the answer? She doesn't know what flavor, but she knows. It's two scoops. I thought vanilla at well. I always gets two scoops vanilla. I don't know. I have no idea. She just she said it was two scoops. Okay. But you know, it is a moment of frustration. They also tried to make it be off the record. Off the record two scoops. I I know I know, and it was it was supposed to be only chillier and parents of children were allowed to attend. But we're not allowed to cover it. They had to attend in their personal capacity. But everybody just like blew up the off the record. That is definitely taking them off the record. I have some useless information for you. Own level. Danielle why can't you like go of? All right. What I can't let go of is a a news story that I saw on the internet this week it's from Boeing Boeing dot net. So we're all the awesome news come from you. Yeah. The heavy news, right? This is about a guy named Matt Carthy and the opening image on this is of a, you know, the kind of big giant postcard flyer thing you get in the mail of any political candidate. This is a he's a member of European parliament he's up for reelection. And so he is from the party shin. Fain? So it is a card that says shin Fain what they've big photo of his face on it. And we're this photo came from was a tweet that he put out this week. You see this postcard is also lying on his laptop in this photo. And in his tweet, he says, so I was wondering why the battery on my laptop was running down every time, I left it at home. Turns out the kids have been using my election leaflets to get through the facial recognition walk. I I'm not sure whether to be proud by the wit or concerned by the sneaky, nece, wait. I. Thought like facial recognition software is supposed to look at three D things. I have a picture of resumes works the facial recognition apparently doing not tell me, what laptop is that. Because I'm not buying. I I can't tell. But like, yeah. It's either about the evils of technology or the joys of having children the eagles of campaign advertising or some mixture failure of the failure of privacy technological. Yes. I guess it's all about the innovation of kids today. It is take your sons and daughters to take your children to work. Yeah. That's why I picked this actually, that's that's exactly it. So can't let go. All right. That is a wrap for today. We will be back as soon as there's political news that you need to know about. 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"Coming up on S. L. shows off. Its Scroll -able mobile device screen you can get a robot to request companies. Delete your data and then have the robot. Sue them if they don't and a big fat check dispute hit space. This is daily Tech News for March. Fifth Twenty Twenty in Los Angeles. I'm John Merit and from Stool Redwood. I'm Sarah Lane from Oakland California. I'm Justin Robert. Young and on the show's producer. Roger Chang we were just talking about Oh all kinds of stuff. Justin Tales from the road Dentist Appointments Justin's birthday being today. Happy Burg Ami. You can get all of that by becoming a member and getting good day. Internet the lighter show at Patriotair Dot com slash. Ns Let's start with a few things you should know. Amazon and facebook have shut down their Seattle area offices after confirming that workers at both companies had contracted Cova Nineteen Amazon recommends that all Seattle and Bellevue Washington. Employees work from home. Facebook encourages Seattle employees to work from home. Google asked all of its employees in Washington state to work from home and yes Microsoft will let all of its Seattle and even San Francisco Area. Employees work from home. Twitter announced that it's expanded. Its rules around prohibited speech to include language that dehumanizes people on the basis of their age disability or disease new tweets that. Break these rules can result in account suspension vulnerability that impacts the Intel converged security and management. Engine's semi is worse than originally thought and the patch that was issued in. May Two thousand nineteen does not fully fix the issue the CSM CRIP. Graphically verifies and authenticates all the firmware running on a system and Marla from positive technologies found. The bug can be exploited by malware with root privileges to recover the chipset key and grant an attacker access to everything on a device previously. It was thought you needed physical access to exploit the vulnerability but apparently that's not the case. So for sensitive systems the only recourse is to replace the hardware and only Intel's tenth generation. Chips are free of this vulnerability. Samsung is launching. It's eight K and four K Q lead TV lineup in the US. There's a few different models but the flagship model is the Q. Nine five zero t s comes in sixty five inch seventy five inch and eighty five inch models running act seven sixty eighty four four forty three twenty eight a resolution the full array local demean or fault for short to maximize HDR quality and Pete Brightness by up to twenty percent over last year's models the TV's offer support for both amd's open source free sink and Invidia adjacent technology for gaming and contain a neural network for upscaling powered by the quantum processor. Two Point Eight K to play four K. programming. Because you know there's so much of that already know exact price or release dates just yes ball til you fall. The South Korean National Assembly unanimously passed an amendment to the country's financial services law that would authorize Korea's financial regulators to provide a framework for the regulation and legalization of crypto currencies and crypto exchanges. Regulators will develop rules around anti money laundering and other processes but loosen restrictions it placed on blockchain adoption during the crypto boom. Several years ago even way career well done and Anthony Lindau Ski. The former employees of Google and Uber's autonomous car units has been ordered to pay one hundred seventy nine million dollars to Google for unfair competition and a breach of a legal obligations Levin Ski and Leo Ron. Who settled separately with Google? Started their own autonomous car company bringing over Google employees and then sold the company to Uber Levin Taos Ski is also under federal indictment for stealing trade secrets from Google. That's a different case. Levin Danske filed for chapter eleven bankruptcy after the decision all right. Let's talk a little more about something. Duck duck do go is doing to help. Other competitors protect your privacy. Indeed duck duck go has been collecting data about online trackers and has created a data set called tracker radar that it will Share with other companies to help protect user. Privacy Tracker radar has five thousand. Three hundred and twenty six domains from one thousand seven hundred twenty seven companies browser maker. Vall di says that it has begun using the data set to protect its users tracker radar data will be updated monthly duck duck go also sells an optional license for help using the data and Dr Grow Says Volley won't be the last two they have some other folks that are interested in taking advantage of this Pretty good to make it open Pretty smart to say. And if you want help with it you know we can make some money off it that way but otherwise we're just sharing the wealth so to speak as a way to help make people in general safer from tracking which is what. Dr Go builds. Its brand on their you care about this that it makes the duck duck. Go look better in the public is well. It's so funny that the online advertising world is so profitable that now there is a side hustle against online advertising right and make money opping online advertising money. There is in. This is that there is money to stop it. Bloomberg's Mark Gherman reports. That apple told technical support staff at it stores that replacement iphones for damaged devices will be in short supply for two to four weeks. Staff were apparently told they could offer may offer to mill replacement devices when they arrive and offer loner devices. In the meantime some Bloomberg sources indicate replacement parts have also started to run low. This is mostly just a public service announcement. If you're thinking you might need to take your phone in or if you drop your phone break it and need to take it into an apple store You may not get it replaced right away. Which usually that has been the case. Because they're they're running running short because of the supply chain issues with the virus. Yeah and I've been there many times and usually it's sort of. I need this done right now. You know what kind of a situation. I wonder what the loaner device situation is because I have not historically known apple to be like. Yeah we got a refurbished iphone ten in the back here. We'll just give it to you until the part comes in. Yeah that's not. That has not been their situation in the past and Gherman sources. Don't make it clear. What the loaner device would be. My guess is either. They have a limited number of current iphones. That are set aside to be circulated soon as somebody gets their replacement than they handed off to the next one or it could be older different model. Iphones which is you know like you brought in an iphone. Ten S to be to be fixed. All they have is an iphone seven. Which isn't good enough for replacement but but at least you have something. Yeah exactly yeah but we don't know what that's about although I do want to highlight again because I think we're GonNa see more stories like this that we are seeing the supply chain issues from the corona virus. Come home that these are the kind of real world effects that you don't think of it when it's a far off a city in China that suffering from it you you suffer from it when you're screens cracked and you can't get it fixed today. Tc L. showed off to prototype devices with flexible screens. The first we saw. Yes that's the trifold phone. Six point six five inch phone. That folds down kind of unfolds. Three ways into a ten inch tablet. The phone uses two distinct hinges to fold flat. Tcl demonstrated using it as a two pane. Fold as well the other device however is a sliding design with a screen. That rolls up into the back of the phone. So it's G- rolls out. A dummy device was demo by TCL and a video concept showed a motorized screen unrolling at the push of a button but dummy device. You had to pull out yourself. Tcl says it's experimenting with a dozen or so form factors and has no time for any of these devices to come to market. But I love the scalable. I've been asking for a scalable since I was doing buzz out loud at seen it more than a decade ago. This scrabble screen just seems like the best way to go because hinges are tricky but if you can make them work they just they hide away. They're really nice like a pot door. I applaud you for even thinking of a concept like this ten years ago because when I saw the for anybody. Who's like scroll -able wha- I mean don't you screw on your phone anyway? No it's the phone itself gets bigger and smaller scrolling in and out of itself. It is pretty cool and yes. This is a dummy device. But once I saw I was like Oh my goodness I had never thought about this yeah. I'm so I'm so focused on whether foldable phones or the right way to go scroll liberal. Phones are much more fun. Yeah think things scroll less like the gesture you make with your finger at four hundred which meant like the argument. That unfold unfurled as it gets a longer. I mean this seems a lot more. Structurally safe than hinges. Which have continued to have problems? And and we're now finding out that the rubber is kind of Once now that the rubber met the road it might not be ready for prime time. But I guess my larger question with all of this is is there a hunger for an I'll say novelty but but I guess I could probably be more than say experimental form factors like this are people excited for it either as a fashion accessory or as something that you could build a killer application on top practically speaking. I have wanted at from time to time the ability to just have my small phone that I can fit my pocket. Yeah able to have a bigger screen when I wanted to when. I'm reading a book or a comic book or playing a video. So that's where I think. A scroll or Shall I say unfurl lable screen earl -able is would be amazing right because you don't have to fold it up and then now it's twice as thick. It would have been it. Just it just rolls up into a corner of the phone can get bigger or smaller earning. It could actually have multiple sizes dream rate. You've got your phone. You've got your tablet all one thing Apple updated its APP store review guidelines. Those now stayed. The developers must admit new and updated. Apps using the IRS thirteen sdk implement sign in with apple for APPs that author of that that offer other services to log in with both starting April thirtieth. Twenty Twenty Bob will also announced that new apps in the dating and fortune telling categories will be rejected unless they provide a quote unique high quality experience and quote developers will also no longer be able to use custom notifications to ask for a user review. They'll have to use the. Api APPS can now send advertising push notifications if a user authorizes them and away to opt out is provided. Yeah the dating enforcing tailings a little weird until you consider that people just span the APP store with low quality APPS Let's say they're dating so they're just trying to crack down on that but the push notifications has some people very angry. A lot of people do not like the idea. That APPS will be able to send you an advertisement even if you can tell them not to. They're worried that they'll package the advertising notifications in with other notifications. That you want to trick you too getting them etc etc. I'll be honest. I've gotten ads as notifications from apps before even though they weren't supposed to be allowed so really. I'm I'm kind of glad that apple has set some rules to say. Look we know you guys are going to try to do it anyway. So here are the rules to follow. Yeah absolutely and I actually applaud. Apple has been very Customer I in terms of trying to corral a push notifications in general. I think that the additions to the newest versions of that alert you that hey. You don't seem to respond to these kinds of of a push notifications. Do you want to see them at all is something that has been helpful so yeah? I think from the developer side. Giving them an opportunity to do it if somebody wants to opt into it is good right but for the people complaining but good sweet sweet molasses life. Well I think it's exasperation really I mean. How many times have you seen some sort of notification where you're like okay? I'm going to go into my stadium. Suspects that happens all the time. And it's not because I changed my mind about letting an APP send me notifications it just Kinda. I Dunno fell through the cracks so when people see this and then they say it's going to be some sort of upsell than I can see why it's an annoyance but it is really just an annoyance because you do have control over your own notifications as long as you want to take. That isn't here it from the screen like you can do it from the from from the alert screen now like you don't even have to go into your settings and find the APP and turn off the Bush notifications. You can do it at the point of exasperation I get it. If they didn't have those I would say that that that this is going to lessen the experience but come on people. There's already plenty of toggles. Do Not pay remember the robot lawyer service that started disputing parking tickets for you. It's expanded to multiple services like canceling streaming services. That's always annoying requesting compensation from airlines poor customer service stuff like that. The latest service from do not pay called digital health automates the process of requesting. Your data be deleted under the California Consumer Privacy Act the system contacts more than one hundred data brokers and requests. Your data be deleted shows. You what data they collected and can even file legal paperwork to sue. If companies fail to comply do not pay cost three bucks per month for access to all of it services. Yeah if you haven't checked in do not pay in a while go to do not pay dot com you can schedule your appointment with the DMV in Texas and California Arizona and North Carolina. You can you can block robocalls and sue people who do robocalls like when I say do this. I mean you can just tell the robot do that and then it does all the work. Yeah Yeah there's a billion company I use them a few times or maybe it wasn't do not pay somebody with parking tickets because back when I had four it was called. Do not pay because that's how it started another name. Yeah and then. They had to stop operating in Oakland because I guess too. Many people were using it then. There was some kind of dispute with the local government who knows. I don't know if they're back anyhow. A brilliant idea absolutely loved it and I look forward to do more Interaction with this concept for three dollars a month. I want to sue robocaller and I'm I'm happy to work with. Do not pay I. Also you know stuff like oh the airline you know. You had a bad experience on now. How often do you go back and get your five dollars back? Because the WIFI sucked I mean. Some people are probably really diligent about that. I tend to just go. It's going to be such a nightmare. I'm GonNa be on the phone with someone from United for like twenty minutes again. It's the convenience. Sometimes it's worth it. The the effect of this will be to change those policies because right now they have a policy so they can point to it but they know no one will go to the trouble of going through the steps to make it happen. But now that you don't have to go to the trouble you can have the robot do it for you. Maybe more people start taking advantage of it. Then you start to see these policies change we we start seeing those policies change or we start to see companies saying you we will not accept. Robots submitted complaints That's when you do not pay. His really made a big. Yeah all right folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day but you only got five minutes to spare. We have the solution daily tech headlines. Go get it. Daily Tech Dot Com. We're GONNA talk about the facebook fact checking problem. That is occurring this week. There's a controversy as Justin has foretold. This could never work perfectly forever and we have our first. It's not the first problem. But it's the first big showdown between a fact checking entity and a big publisher. Here's what happened. Facebook's fact checking partners have been certified through the Poynter Institute's Nonpartisan International Fact Checking Network. So these are not picked facebook. They're picked by a highly respected Journalistic Agency. Anyone who has picked by the IFC N can then label a story partly false label it as having a false headline or just say the things false. There's there's other categories like satire. In opinion too but as far as false goes those are your three choices and it only takes one partner to do that. There are different partners in different regions. The partners in the United States are. Afp United States the Associated Press. Check your fact fact. Check DOT ORG lead. Story's political science feedback and Reuters fact. Check check your fact is a subsidiary of a conservative publication called the daily caller. And this week. The president of the United States was speaking about the corona virus and said now the Democrats are politicizing. The Corona Vice. You know that right corona virus they're politicizing. We did one of the great jobs. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They've been doing it since you got in. It's all turning. They lost its alternative. Think of think of it and this is their new hoax slopes rated that quote from the President has mixed saying quote despite creating some confusion with his remarks. Trump did not call the corona virus itself hoax now. Snow is not one of the fact checking organizations working with facebook. They are used by a lot of people and snow. Said didn't call the corona virus itself a hoax but it was confusing. Politico wrote a story headline trump rallies based to treat corona virus as a hoax. Nbc News wrote a story headlined. Trump's calls corona virus Democrat's new hoax. Check your fact rated both headlines as false on facebook with the explanatory note trump actually described democratic complaints about his handling of the virus threat as a hoax now political and NBC News. Took issue with this saying no we were describing a quote and we don't think it was false check. Your facts said well we do. Publishers have only one route to appeal on facebook's labeling it's to go to the fact checking agency itself in this case check your act and ask them to reconsider the only other remedy would be to try to get the IFC EH. Poynter institute's arm to reject the fact checking entity entirely for failure to meet its guidelines which. That's a big thing to prove. So who you think is right in this case whether it's check your fact politico NBC News. There's somebody else that's not the issue for us. The heat of this controversy is this is the first big case where you have. The vetted fact checking agency that facebook has deemed to be appropriate at odds with not small blogs not leftist publications but mainstream publications over something that they say. Look that's that's not right. What your headline is not correct. Justin you've been saying for a long time. This was gonNA happen. Where where are you sitting with this sitting Tom? You can't sit when you're taking a victory lap. Exactly what I'm doing right now because say it with me. Everybody the idea that you can try to police this especially if you're trying to deputise other people to do it is a Hashtag. Hell Portal Hashtag portable. Hell it's both at the same time. There's no there is no doubt in my mind that this was going to end here for the following reasons regardless again about the facts of this When you are in a world where you are deputising outlets content outlets to be the ones that determine whether something is a factor not maybe misleading. Maybe with some kind of tag but the idea you are so concerned about whether or not there are lies told on the Internet that you are putting these people in charge and giving them such a authoritative language. Thanks to your platform was always going to end up in in disaster. Because Tom in your experience in this industry of Tech Journalism. How excited by your estimation do reporters get when they are reported on by another outlet? Quite quite excited excited may not be exactly the right word but there is excitement. Yes angry would be the way that I would. I would In anything in any instance in any form of journalism journalists it's one of the great quirks of the industry. Journalists hate being reported on by other reporters they hate having Their work challenge and this is literally just that. This kind of conflict was inevitable beyond that like the beyond the fact that this was always going to be a surface fight. It's just hard. It's very hardy. In fact I would say it might be an impossible. Task do determine with authoritative language facts on the Internet. It is it is far more complicated than than anybody who really pays attention to this. Just barely base it into this. Kind of story would like to admit this. Is the issue right right here today? Everybody agrees that obviously untrue story should be labeled false. There's there's no way when someone says you know. The president of the United States isn't alien. We're like that's not true. Every everyone agrees that the plausibly untrue stuff that is you know when you scratch the surface. Not True like this person was fired and then you find out. We'll know they weren't that stuff should be labeled false. It's these edge cases that are the ones that are difficult. So yeah you risk throwing the baby and the bathwater out at same time. If you say well you can't check any facts because there are things that are untrue that these organizations can be good at finding but where you draw the line as where you always have a problem and if you noticed the fact checking organizations in the United States I mentioned. Were not the the news organizations? They were fact checking arms of gains organizations or fact checking institutes of their own that just stand on their own like from the Annenberg school or something like that. So facebook's try to do it right there like we're GonNa get people who do this for a living. We're going to get them from across the spectrum so that it's not just one perspective on what's true and what's not and the fact of the matter is you're always going to have these edge cases now just an are you saying that means. You shouldn't do it at all or should it just be like well occasionally at this is going to happen and we take that as a cost of doing business. I tend to lean toward the harder. You work at this the the more you're trying to squeeze in the more falls through your fingers. It doesn't do it. Then they're they`re. They're facing worse criticism from people. Aren't they sword? Yeah then he's worse criticism. I mean like I think there is a expectation that we have as consumers as to what facebook can do that. I think is unreasonable that they should not be held to the idea that that everything that might be ally can be can be filtered out. There's again I do think that it's very hard now you're right out and out falsehoods like Hillary Clinton dead at the age of fifty one or something like that comes out tomorrow. Yes that's something that can and should be marked in weeded out. I think that there are different than that. That's a different problem to solve for other than getting into a situation where you are fighting over intentionally sensational headlines like I think the politico and NBC News are great organizations that do great work at the same time that political headline is written to be clicked on it all like all headlines are all yes and some of the best are intentionally there so people are like wait what click on it go and interact with it especially there's other goes viral and facebook. The last I'll add to this because I know people out there thinking it is well. Why don't you get rid of the fact checking organizations that run afoul and that is up to the international checking network? The poynter institute is fairly well respected and even if you disagree with them as a result of this story. They're saying that these agencies are reliable so if they're saying that and they're not willing to change their mind because of this one story which honestly is not that crazy. It's you know it's not out of the realm of possibility. It's not like they labeled something. Demonstrably true is false or vice versa. Confusing statement then. Hope to me that that is this working right. You're going to have these controversies if this kind of thing is happening well controversial or not. A lot of people submit wonderful stories to our sub reddit and we thank you every day. You could submit something that you think is worth our time and vote on others. Daily Tech News. Show DOT READY DOT com. Let's move onto Chris. Christianson are amateur traveller. Who has a tip for finding work remotely? This is Chris Christensen from Ama- traveler with another tech in travel minute. If you have a job that you can do remotely and you want to do so. Just because the corona viruses out there. Or maybe because you WanNa do it near a tropical beach you can search for remote jobs either on a specialized search engine like flex jobs dot com or when you go to one of the regular job sites like indeed dot com instead of putting in your location put in remote and you can find a job might let you travel at the same time. I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler. Man Chris Christopherson he's He's facing difficult times with reduced. Travel on the rise here but Nice work finding a way to to make lemons at eliminate there. I'll let's check out the MAILBAG. Let's do it. We had a discussion yesterday. About what makes a good coder and The Answer Minister Prize. You adjacent from Chicago wrote. I can attest to reasoning being as important as math skills in programming. I've working software engineer for thirty five years. I was a liberal arts major with a concentration in math. I knew I wanted to do software. But my school didn't have a concentration. In retrospect I did better being more general. I can't remember any of the math but the training problem solving has stayed with me. I have a mantra for any of my teams which says think about the problem. Not The solution and Ian followed up with his own experience in the late Seventies. He says I was an Undergrad in college and worked as a computer lab assistant. I would help students with programming. Basis basic I found a near perfect correlation between the person's skills with programming and their proficiency in doing proofs in high school geometry. I mentioned this to a professor. He suggested I write a paper about it. That never came about but I always felt that the same skill set was used in both thought processes. 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Friday 18 December

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Friday 18 December

"You're listening to the globalist broadcast on the eighteenth of december. Two thousand and twenty on monocle. Twenty four the globalist in association with ubs. Hello this. is the globalist coming to you. Live from midori house in london. I'm not going on the show ahead. We'll examine the fallout over south korea's contentious legislation to ban propaganda leaflets from being floated by balloon to the north then called fake news. I'm not going to give you a question. You are fake news. They are the fake fake disgusting news. Donald trump's undermining the media is one of the reasons that a record number of journalists have been jailed this year as to new reports come out highlighting the figures. We'll examine the challenges facing before the state. Then it's peak ski season. We go off piste in austria to see who else is there. And we'll find out more about the international travel bubble that singapore is trialing ahead of davos. Except not actually davos plus relearn that prosecutors in the netherlands have officially accepted that. A dutch hacker genuinely did log into the president's twitter account back in october by correctly guessing. The password was mega twenty twenty exclamation mark. It's friday so we'll catch up on what angie moeller has learned and would like us to learn to with business news under russell through the paper. That's all ahead here on. The globalist live from london. I look at what else is happening. In the news nigerian authorities say security forces have rescued nearly three hundred and fifty schoolboys. Who were kidnapped in the northwest of the country. You and you can appreciate is will resume talks towards a post. Brexit trade deal today with both sides saying major remain and china has said it will aim to vaccinate fifty million people against the coronavirus before the start of lunar new year trouble season early in twenty twenty one do stay tuned to monocle twenty four throughout the day for more on those stories but first this week the south korean national assembly voted to ban the flying of propaganda leaflets by balloon towards moth career. This has been extremely contentious. Critics say seoul is sacrificing freedom of expression to improve ties with. Pyongyang will joining me now to talk about this. Is john ever on the former british ambassador to north korea. John good morning to you. what is this all about. All comes down to the Excitement and anger in the summer when kim jong younger sister exploded in fury at the balloons activists were sending across the border She called those who sending the balloons can scum Suggested that all north korean criminals who defected to the south and just to make a point she ordered the demolition by explosives a nice big bang of the very expensive Joint-liaison center the south korea had built in the north korean city of case on at a happier time inter-korean relations. Now the what are the centerpieces off. The north korea policy of president moon jae in south korea has been engagement understanding and trying to meet the north half way and in june. When this all blew up. He said that he would bring forward legislation to make it illegal to send any more balloons across the border. North korea chuckled happily activists in south of course furious and on monday The national assembly duty pastas legislation. So what what's propaganda is generally sent over on these balloons. It's a mixture. Sometimes it's new snap snaps you get bits of paper just saying what's going on in the world you quite often Get some drives usb sticks. that Relatively affluent north koreans complied into a computer. They have access to one and either see south korean dramas south soap operas all see some some use clips but the balloons also to the delight of north koreans often contain dollar bills and the dog was quite a long way in north korea and best of all chocolate which tends to disappear before the balloons ever handed in. I understand bibles quite a big thing. Yes that's true Evangelical christian groups in the south of us balloons extensively with biblical tracks bibles as you rightly say And comments on the lack of freedom of religion in north korea. How effective these are of course is another question. Well i mean yes. Exactly i mean. Is it a real threat to kim jong un's regime very difficult to say there's been a lot of skepticism about how effective these balloons are Because a lot of them don't actually make across the border. They ended up being blown back the south korea and ending up in illiterate heaps and garbage heaps Pity a few do and certainly given the outburst in june from very senior levels of the north korean regime Some of them at least are hitting a target. There have been recorded cases of balloons being flown from the south so actually north of pyongyang. You've got the right wing. You can penetrate quite a long way into north korea so we'll probably never know exactly how effective they are but it probably comes down to chance if you have the right message on the right balloon. I land in front of the right person. You might have an impact now. You mentioned that this was furious about this. Tell me more about this reaction. Well a lot of groups in south korea who feel passionately that they need to convey information into north korea so that people understand that firstly auto loan that there are south koreans to care about their plight and also so that north koreans understandable about the outside world. And these are determined uncommitted people some of them but not all are indeed north korean defectors as the us guys came out in june so they are very very angry. It is most unlikely that they are simply going to roll over. At this point and stop sending balloons. I think a racing certainty that there will be further balloon launches and somebody's going to get arrested. They subsequent trial is going to be very contentious Senior lawyer in south korea have suck their teeth and said that in any case the legislation passed on them. They is threadbare It can be challenged on a number of constitutional grounds and a determined activist backed up by highly professional lawyers in south korea challenging the south korean government. I think could make president. Mundi infill extremely uncomfortable. I will just mean j. in hope to achieve by doing this i mean presumably is losing him quite a lot of popularity at home yes it is although his popularity otherwise hasn't actually moved very much recently. There's been an outburst against this but It doesn't seem to have really gained traction in south korean Why debate What do you hope to gain is to remove an irritant between South and north korea which he hopes will enable him further to pursue his agenda of better relations with the north. He's disappointed that even though he's taken quite a political hit push this legislation through is risking embarrassing cases. North korea. thank you. it doesn't even report it the fact or any kind of message. Back to acknowledge The south has made this gesture. But then you are. That's most career. For what is i mean. How would you characterize the current status of the relationship between the the two countries in the peninsula crew. Quite clearly right now. There was a long a warm summer of good relations In two thousand eighteen going two thousand nineteen until north korea realize that although the south was quite happy to talk about confidence building moves towards eventual reunification in a way yet to be determined It couldn't actually give north korea much money because to do so of course would be to breach united nations security council resolutions against north korea Which effectively economic sanctions when the north realized that money wasn't going to come There was an outburst at accused. The south of toting to the united states and the talks that had been going on Stopping and starting for several months simply came to an end and the twos types aren't really working towards the moment now. You mentioned a kim. John's sister who's become really quite a powerful figure. Can you tell us a little bit more about her. Is she the one really uncharged now. Probably not a kim jong on is still on the scene. Although he ever since march He has appeared in public a great deal less. He's disappeared for long periods and now only appears in public where he has to For senior meetings of the polygraph example way. His presence is required by the north korean constitution. And just the other day He complied with his filial duty and paid his respects at the tomb of his grandfather Kim kim so of course they found north korea but apart from that he's kept a very low profile but there's nothing to suggest that he's younger sister is actually in a stronger position. She too has disappeared for long periods and for a while people thought that kim jong un had actually taken offense at her instruction to blow up the office in the city of case song and hood center off into the promises somewhere but she was away for several weeks. And there's now reappeared still a doesn't seem to attend politburo meetings which suggests that somewhere along the line she may have lost a form position to within the hierarchy just finally before we go covid nineteen in north korea. I mean we told her no cases that's obviously not true. I i'm afraid not We know the certainly is not true. because way. back in april The chinese intercepted a north korean defector. Who cross the river into china and routinely Tested them for coup is what the chinese do. All north koreans crossed the river and they tested positive. So there's definitely covid nineteen in north korea. The bigger known is how fast it's spread now in north korea. You can enforce a lockdown like you to force one in new else on this planet. But i suppose from the point of not the good news. The bad news is that the medical system is in a state of nicklaus anywhere and if the virus started to spread the health system in north korea simply would not be able to cope You would have. Hospitals overwhelmed almost instantly. I'm probably a very high death rate. John thank you very much indeed. That's john everard that it's the end of the week near the end of the year so time now to reflect on what the last seven days have taught us without jim. Bola we learned this week that. Us president benito cotton's jig would appear at last to be officially and irrevocably up on monday. The us electoral college voted as instructed by their constituents in last month's presidential election and it went three zero six two to three to four former vice president now. President elect joe biden between this and the serial failures of the president's lead. Probably as you re destroying to sue bowling in tucson to general bemusement lund that even many of donald trump's most obdurate defenders enablers and indulges. Were willing to throw in the towel among them. Senate majority leader and unlikely future eurovision host mitch mcconnell. Today i want to congratulate. President elect joe biden. President elect is no stranger to the senate. He's devoted himself to public service for many years. Also want to congratulate. the vice. President elect our colleague from california sanger harris beyond our differences. All americans can take pride that our nation has a female vice president-elect we learned however that as the likes of mcconnell began discreetly elbowing aside women and children as they saunter guilty to the lifeboats others among trump's crew preferred to continue rearranging the deckchairs even as the propellers lifted clear of the water and the first funnel disappeared beneath the waves. We learned that among these was florida. Governor rowland disentis. But i can tell you. I think a lot of the frustration for folks that supported the president. Was you know we were for years with people not accepting him. I mean hillary. The last week of the election was same putin stolen but we learned incidentally that president vladimir putin of russia had joined the belated cohort. Also congratulating president-elect biden the this congratulations elicited no condemnation or indeed reaction from president trump who remains notably an curiously reluctant ever to otto so much as a word of criticism of his russian counterpart for some reason anyway album out with the in other news. Which judging by his hyperactivity deranged twitter feed discombobulated president trump as he proceeded with his packing. We learned that the forces of politically correct militancy conniving to turn the united states into a collective farm and make all its men. Mary at pitchfork point before abolishing christianity have scored another victory as cleveland's baseball team. The indians became the latest to concede. That maybe kitschy native. American iconography is fashion. Whose time has passed. cleveland's major league baseball team says it took the name indians in nineteen fifteen as a tribute to a native american player but now after years of protests that name will be dropped according to the new york times and in a statement to cbs news. The team did not dispute that report. It is not clear when the indians will change their name or two watt but they do have the advantage of a low bar to clear as cleveland's. Nfl team are burdened with possibly the least inspiring nickname in all of sports. The browns please do not right in pointing out that. The browns are named after the first coach. Paul brown and not the color of the same name. We know this Surely as we know that the browns poised as they may be on the brink of the playoffs will find a way to blow it in richly amusing circumstances against the giants on sunday night. We have long since learned that if there is one certainty in this uncertain world. It is cleveland gonna cleave. Let's have some silly parisian accordion music full. We did learn that it turns out political correctness can go too far parisian city authorities found themselves stuck with a ninety thousand euro fine for hiring women with sufficient enthusiasm to breach french laws against over hiring one or the particular agenda to senior positions in public service. We learned that paris's met and hidalgo was unrepentant shake. Advert that wants. Ms jaunt advocate media like lost. Some blue you sequoia genetical funding soccer. Took numbers is pope was totally prison. Don't do gupta measure it. was sean to new zealand. Sweat porvenir her property. Suspect the nilo lemianouski from strongly bleakness films are assange and here is that merrill unrepentant translated by mongols municipal unrepentant disc. Chief hester underhill again to present this. Check myself with my female deputies. My female manages an older women of the general secretariat so that will be a lot of us. And of course i also extend this invitation to the female leaders of the opposition to join us in presenting this check of ninety thousand euros to the ministry for civil service and yes we're going to take another swipe at donald trump while we still can because we learned again the recurring and crucial lesson of the massively. Ebbing trump epoch is that there is an walls. Never any mileage in overthinking him. And that the likeliest explanation for literally everything he says and does is always that he someway dumber than the dumbest person you know and has no idea at all what he's doing full. We learned that prosecutors in the netherlands have officially dutch. Hacker genuinely did log into the president's twitter account back in october by correctly guessing. The password was maga- twenty twenty exclamation. Mark victor davis the cybersecurity. Boffin increase did not mercifully take the opportunity to crash the stock market or declare war on china. But no disappointingly. Did he broadcast in trump's name. Anything likely to upset trump's like perhaps a thoughtful recommendation of the novels of Monday and goes eah. Mr gave his walls he says merely acting out of public-spirited concern for potential security vulnerabilities when now off to trump's twitter account to see if trump twenty twenty four works. If sometime today. The president tweets his enthusiasm for the programming of monocle twenty four. You'll know what's happened twenty four. I'm andrew. Mola thank you very much. Angie now still to come on the program. The latest statements from reporters without borders and the committee to protect journalists. Give the results. Plus germany france and italy have all forbidden skiing over the holidays fearing that would push up infections but australia has refused to toe the line on on the black run frontline files his powder report. This is the globalist stay tuned. Ubs has a one nine hundred investment analysts from over one hundred different countries over nine hundred of the sharpest moins freshest thinkers in the world of finance. Find out how we can help you. Contact us at ubs dot com. I think we can all agree. That twenty twenty has been a pretty awfully for most people but it's been particularly bad for freedom of the press. Three hundred eighty seven journalists currently jailed around the world fifty four being held hostage and four missing. These figures have been highlighted by a couple of reports that came out this week. One from the committee to protect journalists and another from rsf reporters without borders will the uk bureau director of rsf. Rebecca vincent joins me now rebecca. Good morning to you and thanks for for coming on. Can you give us an overview of your report please Yes good morning. Thanks very much for having made georgina. As you've said it this year we've had another terrible year for press freedom globally so our latest report analyzing the detentions hostages on missing journalists in the air shows actually similar figures to the year prior. So we didn't see the crackdown on press freedom. Abating anywhere during the global lockdown in fact quite the opposite in some cases. So we're looking now at the situation with three hundred. Eighty seven journalist detained around the world. Fifty four are currently being held hostage and four are missing. That data is accurate as of the first of december which is the cutoff date for our publication And i should mention that that in less than two weeks time we'll have out part two which also will analyze the number of journalists killed during the year but in terms of detentions are. We saw some alarming new within even though the figure was very similar to last year's figure in fact just to fewer journalists are detained at the end of twenty twenty and we saw at the end of twenty nineteen But this year we saw That actually there was a thirty five percent increase in the detentions of women journalists And in fact most of the new cases of women journalists attain this year are in belarus. Where there's been an unprecedented press freedom. Crackdown since the very controversial august presidential elections during the first three months of the global pandemic. So we're talking about march to may earlier this year we saw a four fold increase in the number of arbitrary detentions of journalists and fourteen journalists who were detained specifically in connection with their reporting on the pandemic are still being detained at the end of the year And perhaps i should mention as well sort of the talk. Jailers of journalists is always of interest so again. This is similar to the the findings from last year. Now we're looking at more than half of the world's jailed. Journalists are concentrated in just five countries. Those countries are china egypt. Saudi arabia vietnam and syria. So of course. There's there's a spattering of journalist jailed in every region of the world in many countries but these are the top five that are imprisoning over sixty percent in fact of of the world's jailed journalists. I wonder what's driving this. I mean some people have pointed towards donald trump and saying that his whole Anti media whole fake news narrative. It is really influenced in the way that that people deal with the press. Yes absolutely that sort of attitude. And it's not just trump but there's many other kinds of figures that have possibly emboldened by by by the leader of the country of the first amendment speaking treating journalists in this way for sure That attitude has has really grown over the past several years And i think it does have some responsibility for the acceleration press freedom violations including detentions and and attacks on journalists around the world I actually wanted to mention another report. Which is the us. Press freedom tracker This is a collaborative project that are asaf is also part of in the united states. Now these are not figures that we've included an around but during this year the press freedom tracker detected an unprecedented one hundred seventeen arrests or detainment of journalists in the us. So they're not in our report because they're not still imprisoned these. These were often shorter arrests or detentions but one hundred seventeen journalists in the united states detained largely in connection with covering the black lives matter protests have taken place this year which is really alarming. Absolutely know that there's a yes another. The committee to protect journalists reports just been released and areas that they highlight is people perhaps not even journalists being arrested for so called social media terrorism. What can you tell us about that. And that has certainly played a role. In a number of the cases that we've highlighted for sure And there will be a lot of commonality between our two reports. But i should mention i think one of the different criteria between our pj we include professional journalists citizen journalists and media workers in our report. I believe that cpi doesn't include citizen journalists And of course when we're looking at citizen journalists dot trend of targeting of journalists in connection with things that they're posting online very much prevalent. And i guess when you talk about the women in in belarus those were mostly citizens rather than professional journalists. Oh yes absolutely. Although we've seen foreign correspondent also targeted in attempting to cover the lockdown. Basically anybody and everybody has been fair. Game in in covering events in belarus. It's been very difficult of a difficult climate for reporting there. But there's been some really courageous reporting that has helped inform the world of what continues to happen there now you mentioned covert how how is this affecting the the arrest of journalists countries. Just don't want those figures out there. yes i think. There's a few trends within that. Which is firstly. Some states have taken advantage of the pandemic to accelerate their crock while the rest of the world is obviously paying attention to other matters but then their their husband an acceleration in specific Press freedom violations linked to the pandemic itself as as in the case of the detentions that we mentioned so from from march to may that fourfold increase in arbitrary arrest is a really really tiling and we should be advocating for the release of those fourteen journalists that are still detained for reporting on the pandemic. I also wanted to mention the case of of julian assange because it's it's relevant to cove as well because of the current detention conditions in belmarsh. Prison now some don't consider mr assange journalists but it's undoubtably that his persecution of his prosecution will have implications for journalism and for press freedom so he's currently Detained in belmarsh prison on remand were awaiting the The decision in the extradition hearing against him which is coming on fourth of january. But at the moment he's been selectively contained in his cell almost continuously for more than a month now with covert infections dangerously on the rise around him. Now we've seen Cases and other countries of deaths of journalists in prison because of covert and and we'll be analyzing dot in our part two which is coming on the twenty ninth of december but in the united kingdom. That's really unacceptable so Reporters without borders we. We believe that julian assange should be released full stop but the situation in prison with underlying respiratory issues and other health conditions. That make more risky. Should be immediately released from a humanitarian perspective. As well so what i mean. Obviously your report is is is excellent work but what can. Rsf do to help these people well. In the first instance we're trying to raise awareness because And that's exactly what these sorts of materials do to inform the global public into for policy makers of this state But we're really looking for meaningful ways to up the ante with our own states. I think even in our democracies are governments are not doing enough to combat this in the uk. We've been engaging Particularly with the foreign office another foreign commonwealth and development office of course because last year they had their global campaign for media freedom. And that produce this new grouping of states called the media freedom coalition Which is supposed to be you know. Going above and beyond their existing commitments under other international frameworks and really working together To to address these problems but even this has failed to take meaningful action. Even on the most urgent of cases that that a civil society that we've highlighted with them so if our own countries aren't abiding by their obligations if we can have cases like julian assange You know which. He's been detained in the uk. But it's the us government behind those charges And if our own governments are unwilling to address the situation at home let alone really meaningfully. Raised us with with other states where they have bilateral relationships than I it's really challenging. Indeed to impact the behavior of states that are not democratic that are less concerned about their image thinking states like among those top five states like saudi arabia egypt. That have a huge number of the world's Imprisoned journals and in fact. Saudi arabia just hosted the g twenty riyadh summit having finished a year of the g twenty presidency with the other g twenty states remaining silent on the detention of thirty four journalists in the country and of course Impunity for the murder of jamal khashoggi. So so it's that's our challenges is holding our own democracies to account and other states and and really spurring international institutions into action as well rebecca. Thank you very much indeed. Rebecca vincent them from our s f. Here's what else. We're keeping an eye on today nigerian. Authorities they security forces of rescued nearly three hundred and fifty school boys who were kidnapped. In the north west of the country by the islamist militant group boka haram. It's not care whether all of the boys have been recovered from the forest where they were taken. Eu and uk negotiators will resume talks towards a post brexit. Trade deal today with both sides saying major obstacles remain a spokesperson for prime minister. Boris johnson has said. It's very likely that there would be no deal. By december thirty first unless the block changed its position. Substantially and china has said it will aim to vaccinate fifty million people against the coronavirus for the start of the lunar year travel season early in twenty twenty one. The south china morning post reports that beijing plans to distribute one hundred million doses of two types of vaccine produced in china. Both of which need to injections this is the globalist stated know breaking ranks with other european nations. Austria will allow skiing to start on december the twenty fourth but will limit the capacity of ski lifts and keep restaurants and hotels closed. This isn't ideal for business. But it is something and south authorities believe. It's completely safe. Because alexi cari olov explores how the is getting ready for the new ski season trends. Don't normally disobey orders but try and take away one of their favorite hobbies and see what happens. What are they doing. Slopes are a close. Yeah but Many of those people don't care just yup. Just that's me playing the mountain range with febreeze. Doni general manager of a popular ski resort located around one hundred kilometers south of china. Because there's so many people like one forty dollars per day just people trying to get into major. So that's the problem on the day. Visiting the sky is a dazzling blue with fluffy white clouds skidding overhead any other winter. That'd be hundreds maybe thousands more people in the piece the to trespassers. We've just seen but this year is different now. Trae will open. It slopes for christmas although even then it won't be business usual the conditions on the which we are about to open them are kind of craz- because there's not going to be any hotels open. They're not going to be in regular operation of restaurant. So i mean you have to imagine that people even if they just come here for a day. They're going to spend the whole day on the mountain. They're not going to have the possibility to get indoors to to warm up. They may be will find a solution how they're going to be able to to get some food that takeaway style but they have to eat that food outside. We're not in a city. Where in montana area temperatures are going to be quite different whether you you face in again for example. So that's kind of crazy because cover them on. The one hand says okay you. You're going to be able to open. But the conditions impose of province for us turning organization. Ms boost does need san viet. We infer young. Upper is sorted and crazy anoint. This man sebastian courts is determined to save christmas. Optum fianc six timber when the luibueno's answer named fine with some she fan. We the mookie. We add the middle east. Asian indian germany. France and italy have all forbidden skiing holidays fearing that would push up infections but australia has refused to toe the line. However it will require people coming from abroad to go into quarantine and with hotels closed. This effectively leaves austrians as the only eligible customers along. That's still welcome news for greece. It is for the upcoming holidays. We're going to lose People coming from abroad so that's thirty percent of accustom is also one day customers. They're coming from hungary from check republicans so we are going to lose them because it's not going to be easy to get in into australian other australia again so we're going to lose them but we expect to gain some customers from those types of skiers who usually would have gone to skiers in the western part of austria which they cannot do now because it would be too far for for one day trip up. The slope brings explains heltzel. Get to work on the situation. We're going to face when it comes to take away operation of of the restaurants on the mountain because people. No that's not our restaurants but it's a it's a it's one of the bigger ones the mountain. Well you get the slopes you get the chairlift like with the bottom station in mountain station you get lots of people Not too much. Space to people consumed are the food the food they bought outside. So that's one of the challenges we're facing with the current government regulations because people are not going to be allowed to use the space within fifty meters from the restaurant Which is quite a problem if you if you imagine having three to four hundred people standing around and they should not stand around at the slope because obviously there are skiers coming down so that's quite complicated and that's why i ask myself what the government thought creating those regulations for monaco inched elect. I'm alexi many thanks to alexi. You're listening to the globalist. Well let's continue now with today's newspapers and joining me. Simon brooks journalist and communications consultant. Good morning simon. Good morning shall we start with the south china morning post. Yes absolutely so lead story in the paper is a document setting out. Objectives to the united states navy and the pentagon has warned that china's adopting an expansionist approach It's also warning that the us military will be more assertive. Describes it against beijing saying that china's really the only rival presenting long-term challenged the united states. Russia also promotes a promote a Pro some kind of Rivalry and Submitted a problem as well but it says according to pentagon documents anyway china's the only rival with the combined economic and military potential to present a long term comprehensive a challenge to the united states. I suppose this is disappointing. Because you might have hoped that in the wake of corona virus A serious challenge that affected countries around the world that we might have seen more cooperation between china and the us but certainly according to this pentagon document. That has not happened if anything the temperature does seem to be rising effected by the change of administration will not really if anything it looks. As if the biden administration will be tougher on china. You remember back in february on the campaign trail. Joe biden described president. She thought doug and somebody who doesn't have a democratic bone in his body. Nancy pelosi is also been very tough on china with regard. Things like the hallway controversy around five g so it looks like this is going to be very sort of liberal administration in many ways but when it comes to dealing with the main international rival then i think the biden administration is shaping up to be very hawkish. Well let's talk about the liberal administration because the times is saying that biden's cabinet is just window-dressing gerard baker whose times main commentator on On american issues on. Us issues looks at the new appointments. That did not coming out that people saying who all going to be in president biden's competent Begins with a description of brew to judge who you remember was one of biden's rivals during the nomination and the judge was made a big thing of his being. I was very prominent as one of the first probably senior sort of gay politicians openly. Gay politicians. Anyway he's become transport secretary and gerard baker. I pointed out that really. If you look at south bend the town that ma- that booty judge was merrill isn't exactly isn't exactly a transport hub. So why is he got the job well. According to gerald it was his status as america's first openly gay cabinet minister that marriage the detention and indeed seems to be the main reason why he's being put in charge of the nation's travel network and bak- goes on to point out. We've seen the first woman treasury secretary the first black ambassador to the us we've got deb into his interior and is the first native american Cabinet member said the question bakers. Raising is all these people in positions of power because of their ability or their aptitude or is it just basically Something to do with identity. Politics i yeah. I find that that asks actually quite shocking. The the suggestion that these people are not competent to do their roles just because of their diversity. Yes and certainly. I mean obviously communist. That'd be shocking. Said if you look at the comments in the times that you write very people very much lining up with that view. I mean bake. It does end with a of slightly more optimistic view. Which is Settled mr biden's delicately delicately constructed cabinet might well be judge moore wanted to cheese than what it looks like. That show is progress. Why would that was obvious. Isn't it really but some yes. I mean Baker himself as a right-wing commission But it certainly that view i think will be held by loss of americans. Weren't they certainly sort of unhappy trump's supporters but yeah the point is rarely never mind about the identity politics. Let's see how well they perform in the office absolutely right well. Let's look some News but this is all about shopping. Yes exactly we salute to this kind of thing before. But i still love these surveys when they come up. The grocer is magazine which looks at the retail business in particular food and sort of day-to-day sales. And it points out. That not surprise me. I suppose lockdown has driven up sales but white one hundred and eighteen million pounds off the makeup sector so it does look as if people are not probably make up so much given that spending. They've been spending more time at home this year. But setting indulging little tipple. Well i think what's interesting about. This is mexican ben which seems to have enjoyed an incredible increase in some way. Guel which i'm sort of partial to myself a bit is up by sixty percent corona another mexican bear by forty percent which is quite remarkable. Who's currently wouldn't you probably get a cigarette as well as some time. We've smoked an extra billion pounds worth of cigarettes. Enrolling habits rolling tobacco over the Corona virus lockdown period that six-storey. Although you intensive makeup i find that i'm doing so many zooms one does tend to look gas liens in that. I'm actually. I'm kind of doing full television makeup at the time about these things bright light and i think it's interesting now exactly the give what we do spend so much time on. I'm this loss of coverage of the fact that people all putting more of an extra effort into that and realizing that they do need to up they gave of its and and look look the part with makeup for women and for men as well take. That's shine off. I'd also you know the fact that people are spending more money now. Apparently onset of suits jackets and shirts and things so that they will look the part at least from the waist upwards exactly Finally star of wonder star of light is the baby. Jesus coming back. yeah. I think this is a sweet story. I think In the telegraph. Apparently venus and j pettah. We'll be in close alignment and this will create an unusually bright light Similar to what could be an exclamation explanation of the star of bethlehem it's known as the great conjunction of planets. The last time it happened apparently was twelve twenty six but on monday. You will be able to see this this very light. There's very bright star. As due to the conjunction of venus and jupiter nasa. The us space agency says people should look at it from the low low point in the south west in the hour after sunset. We'll if you want the best for you do need to get to the equator which is probably i'm vicious but i just think we sandwich misery unhappiness unhappiness. We've had in the last year. Is the something symbolic about this. Bright light appearing now at the end of the light at the end of the tunnel lights in the sky. Don't know but i certainly hope say absolutely simon. Thank you very much indeed. that was simon brooke. And this is the globalist. Ups is a global financial services firm with over one hundred fifty years of heritage built on the unique dedication people. 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They're just discovering about it so predominant in in the state so we had a bulletin yesterday from the us cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency and they said it posed a grave risk to federal state and local governments as well as critical infrastructure today. The fbi a giving classified briefing to congress. It's not just american. State secrets microsoft microsoft. Either you would think. Microsoft is some of the best technology people on the planet but microsoft admitted. Yesterday afternoon they found militias software in their systems. They claim it's been isolated and removed. But you know this. Investigation is still ongoing. And it's very unclear what the hackers had infiltrated what they've stay what they've taken and how long they've been infiltrating these systems so eights yet again. Another warning of the importance of security of cybersecurity and another warning that even experts like microsoft confined their systems hacked. I guess is the day you know the days the days go on we will find out a lot more. I think this is still quite early. Stages of quite how much damage has been done. Under the moment it's the vast majority of hack. Russia against america is america. But actually it's thought there were at least at least seven other countries that have been hacked canada mexico the uk belgium spell israel and the u a e. Although of course you know. I would imagine the number of countries is probably going to grow as they will look at this and i think we need to take a look at some of our systems now. -solutely just in a slight tangible related story when google docs google drive went. The other day presumably must have really hurt productivity and therefore the money markets. It's right for me. Because i didn't have google so i was fine. I need to work but it is true. There were many people who just couldn't work so Yes so yes a short term hit productivity right. Let's talk about tesla because shares up seven hundred percent this year. And i'm i look. I knew tesla was on a roll. Okay i did know that okay. Absolutely i knew that i knew russ elon. Musk was now one of the most wealthy i think. He's the second wealthiest man in the world or person in the world. But i hadn't quite realized how much the valuation of tesla's gone up. Okay one it's valued at six hundred billion dollars might. Do you remember when we had the first trillion dollar company. Tesla's almost six hundred billion dollars is one of the most valuable companies in the entire of america. Eight hardly produces any calls at all. It is the world's most valuable company. Like i said it hardly produces any calls at all and his barely being profitable for year. It is truly extraordinary. And now for the kremlin. It is joining the pinnacle of us of corporate america. The index the s. and p. Five hundred on monday which will only drive at share price share price even higher because You know once you in the s. and p. five hundred a whole load of investment funds have to buy the shares so it is truly extraordinary and it divides opinion massively. Not only because of the you know who owns it or who owns a large chunk of it and its founder elon. Musk and what he gets up to is very controversial. Ceo but but also because of the valuation. Some people think the technology that tesla has he's way ahead of every other car company and it's not just in cars it's in solar etc but others say it's just massively overvalued. This is absolutely crazy. It can't be worth six hundred billion given the sales profits belly profits. It makes currently so it's a. It's a company that divides opinion massively. But even so six hundred billion. It's one of the most isn't a handful of the most highly valued stocks in america and the world's most highly valued automaker extrordinary and i mean that's of course because of its energy efficiency and now there's a related story on that about tax revenues and electric cars so this is a report from the uk treasury and it's either everybody talks about you know when we come out of this crisis we get the vaccine. We all we want to green recovery and absolutely we all wanna green recovery. I think most people would agree with that. The problem is is the cost of that green recovery when we come out of this crisis every country by the way not just the uk and but every country has come out in. The uk is going to be come out. This is going to be heavily. Heavily heavily indebted. That's the thing we know. In order to support the economy to keep people in jobs to try to support businesses governments. All over the world have spent trillions. Trying to do this right so we know that and yet what the treasury is now pointing out this is all very well having a moved to green carlse but if you move to green cars and we lose fuel tax the treasury loses thirty billion pounds in tax revenue and at a time when governments are scrambling for tax now. Of course the environments environmentalists will say well if you're at the forefront of the green technology you will benefit in the economy will benefit and that may well be the case over five ten years but short term at a time when governments all over the world will need revenue coming in the doors tax revenue. Coming the doors like the this is just one example where the switch may be quite expensive in the short term now if government needs cash crops that could do crypto currency. Tell me about the story. Because i i suppose it's a very point of view but imagine imaginary money. Oh i couldn't agree more. I utterly bewildered by crypto currencies. If you want my honest opinion so they make these digital currencies. There's a limited amount of them. You go on a computer. You bury them. You dig them up digitally and then they're worth twenty three bitcoin's worth twenty three thousand dollars. It isn't optimistic. Mystery to me. i don't understand it at all. I don't see as an asset class. It's gold has an intrinsic value. A currency has intrinsic value because it's the currency and it's backed by the you know the economy that is but what's bitcoin backed by absolutely nothing if you buy a share in a company backed by the company if you buy bond backed by the company that's what it or it's backed by the government. The issues it. what's bitcoin. what value inherent is there. Nothing so so. I find it utterly bewildering but bitcoin is almost four hundred percent. Since it's low in march it's i mean. This is a wildly volatile thing. I mean you can go up and up and down ten percent in a day. It crashed eighty percent in two thousand eighteen. So it's wildly volatile price. And i'll saying well it's an attorney to golden inflationary times possible. Yes it is possibly an alternative to gold because there's a limited amount of it. Although i said as i said it's not back plan the thing. But but we're not in an inflationary time if you look at the inflation figures around the world. They like barely getting to half a percent. So i have no idea why. It's twenty three thousand dollars when it clap. Crashes to five thousand dollars. I will not be able to tell you why that is the case either. Other than if it goes up there's more buyers and sellers if it goes down this more sellers than buyers. I'm afraid as far as i'm concerned. Cryptocurrency is a little bit of a mystery to me and you probably get loads of people calling up and saying louisan idiot. But no i. I like old fashioned efforts. we're both. it's thanks very much. Indeed that was lewis coupon and this is the globalist on monocle. Twenty four does singapore's borders have been largely shut for most of this year as part of measures to stop the spread of covid nineteen however from january it will allow a number of business travelers from around the world access in a bubble arrangement. Who this comes. As a singapore aviation institute has called on the association of southeast asian nations asean to consider a framework for regional travel bubbles for who is asia portrait flight global is on the line alfred. Thanks for joining us. Why is singapore's doing this. Opening its borders in this way right. Good morning georgina. Thanks for the question. Um well as we know. Singapore's is you know. It's it's largely dependent on tourism and services sectors growth. And i think this this They keep it a segregate that traveling for for for business travelers. i think it's part of the government's broad the strategy to open borders. Singapore has other travel arrangements with them. The country's green beans with australia and new zealand and so on and so forth. And of course you know of the recent will bubble that singapore has had with hong kong. Of course you know has been a shelter following a spike in cases in hong kong. So i think these these. These sort of from part of the broader strategy of the government to to reopen its borders and to sort of resume some semblance of normalcy themselves doing business and all but intense so far in terms of schemes for business travel like the green lanes that has not been significant jumps in passenger numbers so i think in terms of the economic benefits of something like this segregate traveling. I don't think it's going to be a super significant thing. But i think more importantly wising doing this is also to position itself as the region's go to destiny for meetings conventions and exhibitions the world economic forum because acoustics can take place there instead of diverse the summer. Yes that's right so so the economic forum. Of course. I think when when when when when when when singapore announced the launch of the segregate that travel lean. I think the government was asked if this was a nine in light of the world economic forum news. But from what i understand. What actually been sort of modeling this idea for months before this of course. It's a happy coincidence. In a sense that the learning points from establishing the segregate traveling would definitely go some way in terms of helping all execute the planning for the world economic forum next year. so how's it going to work practically. How do you make international travel for people coming from all over the world covid compliant. So what what the government has done is this is sort of created or they're going to build this. Dedicate dedicate the shot steve facility so basically what what happens. Is that travelers who come into under this this initiative which is known as connected singapore. They get to stay up to fourteen days and so essentially they conduct all of business within this facility. So if you think about at this sort of like a bubble the working and living in that sense of course before they arrive in singapore the need to present a negative kovic one thousand nine hundred and on top of that. you know. well well well. They're staying in singapore. You know For the fourteen day period of up to fourteen days on day. Three five seven and eleven. They need to undergo testing as well. And then a the example that was given at desegregate facilities they will be able to conduct face to face meetings with local visitors or other visitors. Who are on you know the the same initiative and what what will happen. Is that in a meeting room. If you mentioned like it's sort of like a barroom setting there will be sort of floor to ceiling glass panels airtight glass panels. That were sort of separate those that are on the initiative and say maybe you know like the local workforce that has gone there for meetings so so essentially what you face to face meeting. But it's a socially distant a a safe distancing compliant meeting in that sense and i think also to entice to entice out of the business travel community. I think the the facilities built basically just five ten minutes away from the airport so you literally come off the plane and then you're sort of whiskey to the facility where you do your meetings you you live there and then you know after say up to fourteen days you go back to the wherever you came from and the airline industry this is clearly something that is encouraging news. Yes so. I think this would definitely be well received by the aviation industry as we s you would know cream. Business travel business. Travelers are quite a lucrative sector segment for the industry. And i think of having this initiative to woo business would definitely go some way in helping absolutely definitely is the advantage and i think also i think it would be well received by singapore airlines. Of course which is the flag carrier. Here which has been devastated by the coronavirus outbreak. Don't carry the domestic market to rely on unlike carriers in china. Australia or the us. So i think having such a scheme would definitely be a quite well alfred. Thank you very much indeed. That was the alfred sure. And that's all we have time for today. Thanks to our producers. Daniel h page reynolds carter rabelo and our research Vilma court a studio manager was nor whole and a editor was david stevens after the headlines. There's more music on the way. 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