20 Episode results for "Sorolla"

#1022 - Organic Loungewear Becomes Sleeper Sensation

Side Hustle School

07:29 min | 1 year ago

#1022 - Organic Loungewear Becomes Sleeper Sensation

"It's honestly school is brought to you by Lincoln jobs looking for the right job can make you feel alone but what if instead you felt hopeful there are twenty million jobs online n. and the people who can help you find people who will give you advice help you learn new skills and people who are hiring I'm linked in you're not alone From the project she ended up buying cloth directly from a mill in India it took her a year to learn the fashion design business by reading and do it she did hands on analysis and inspected hundreds of garments a few we're talking about the people providing the raw materials for those garments the farmers were growing the cotton first place and that's what she wanted to address the biggest issue she had in the beginning however it was finding good sources for the cotton while there was such a thing as organic fabric it wasn't readily available because most suppliers didn't need to stock it but thanks to her nonprofit contact back in two thousand ten when Mcgregor started Sorolla organics and way she wanted to she previously started a private rehabilitation company as a side hustle that became a full time business so she knew she could do it again and she could carry over her to look at using fair Labor in the supply chain and organic fair trade cotton in the products a lot of people were advocating against sweatshop made garments drawing the designs came naturally but she had to rely on an experienced pattern maker to bring those designs to life instead of looking for outside investors or loans both and her sister that's W I x dot com slash l. e. lessons from building one business to the next and I had left her prior company and it'd been working fulltime with a nonprofit in Indian Vietnam what she saw and learned doing this work and at the end of next week I'll talk about this more for now an asset is anything that holds or increases in value over time so traditionally that means real estate stocks and bonds Tree Wicks has tools that your business needs to create a sleek sleek digital presence Wicks dot com slash hustle to get ten percent off when you're ready to go premium in today's story after years working in nonprofits and Aussie woman develops a line of cotton sleepwear based on fair trade practices tell you more about that story to learn how they were constructed she also took that time to do consumer research through surveys and focus groups of bricks additionally she figured out what she couldn't do herself thirty seconds school is supported by wicks dot com wicks you can manage and grow your business online on a single platform you create a professional Welcome to school my name is Chris Calabro so glad you're here in just a moment now I also have an exercise for you exercise activity harvey like to think of it and this assignment let's use that word is to make a list of your assets knbr things including the kinds of projects that we look at just about every day here on the show okay so a Lotta these are digital assets but whatever they are make your list it will just be a private list line sleep and lounge wear company there wasn't much of a market for ethical and sustainable clothing in Australia Amazon opportunity not just to claim that market for herself but to work time was her business partner before leaving later each invested ten thousand Australian dollars or about sixty seven hundred US dollars that money covered stock brand development the online website use your built in Seo tools search engine optimization it's easy to use it's got a scheduling system it's got all the things you need you can do this on your own and no matter your kind of stuff if you have those things then great that counts but assets could also mean lots of other stuff a product that you sell royalties earned passive affiliate income or any I can ask to share it or anything but make your list and if you don't have any assets according to this definition if you're like wow you know I got a job got income but not sure I have any assets okay we're gonNA work on that because you need okay so more on that in the days to come on but for now organic lounge wear becomes sleeper sensation that story is coming up in designed to be a flexible business at some point and I went back to working at another nonprofit both because she missed the work him because she wanted to break from just doing fashion store and the first photo shoot they're feeling was that if they never saw that money again it would be okay because the potential reward was worth it and also felt it was the perfect as well and it looks like all these projects opportunities most importantly they're a chance to keep improving each step of the way time for her to get ahead by taking the risk she had sold her house which was part of the money she invested in Sorolla and she had affordable rent plus of course she had a stable full time job fine job meant for you at Lincoln Dot com slash jobs that it's linked in dot com slash jobs to fall back on if she needed brand made its first in-person sale to a customer at a trade show and then launched an online store three months later however Sorolla was always again take Sorolla to the next level in addition to her side hustle turned fulltime career. She's also a partner in her fiancee's business and she's pursuing a couple of new ideas I expected there are a number of larger company she's now competing against and because these other companies have greater profit margins they can invest more in marketing still aw so let's talk about the challenges keeping good suppliers in her business chain his biggest one she calls it a constant struggle even if she's had a strong relationship with the supplier and the all right congratulations to Anna and Sorolla organic it was at that new nonprofit she kept working on the brand she came back to it full time in two thousand eighteen after she and her fiance decided to start a family she's now able to work at home with their son Com slash one thousand twenty two one zero two to wherever you are the world thank you so much publicity I hope you do something today to get closer to the goals that you believe in tomorrow my name is Chris Filipo and this is side hustle school and I wasn't even sure if it was one hundred percent cotton supplier couldn't explain whether it'd been a change in the material so she had to go and find another vendor she also hasn't had quite the massive growth I she doesn't overlook problems with quality for example she wants a herringbone cotton drawstring the company had used for years but the suppliers in a new batch that didn't measure up listening to time we'll revisit it in episode one thousand thirty which

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NPR News: 03-06-2020 4PM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 03-06-2020 4PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Lakshmi Singh. States are reporting new corona virus cases latest from Pennsylvania meanwhile some passengers are stuck aboard a cruise ship off San Francisco waiting for their test results related to an outbreak that is now estimated to have infected some one hundred thousand people around the globe. The markets are still feeling the sting of the worldwide disruptions to businesses wall. Street's endured a wild ride plunging eight hundred points at the opening bell before trying to climb back. Npr's gyms early reports the interest rate on government. Debt is down to unprecedented levels. Investors appear to be shrugging off every effort to prop up the economy. Such as this week's interest rate cut by the Federal Reserve and the eight billion dollar emergency spending plan signed into law by President. Trump investors are pulling money out of stocks and putting it in US government debt as a result the yield on the ten year Treasury note keep slipping further and fell to a new record of less than seven tenths of a percentage point. That's NPR's Jim Sorolla OPEC and its allies will not be cutting well production despite lower demand over fears of the outbreak. Npr's domino has the latest. The world's demand for fuel has diminished as fears of a pandemic grow that means a decline in oil prices. Saudi Arabia and other OPEC members want to cut production to shore up prices but the ones powerful cartel can no longer move markets alone. It needs the support of Russia which is not an OPEC member has recently been coordinating with the organization and Russia has resisted calls for cuts on Friday talks ended in failure OPEC and its allies announced. No new cuts and didn't even commit to extending current cuts. Oil prices took a nosedive to their lowest level in years when the market found out and the stalemate raises questions about the future of the OPEC Russia alliance commute on ASCII. Npr News president trump is due to visit the CDC in Atlanta. Later this hour about this nation's response to the outbreak earlier today. He toured Tornado damage in Tennessee. Where he met with storm survivors. At least twenty five people died earlier this week. We have more from. Npr's Tamra Keith. The devastation was everywhere as president. Trump's surveyed the damage on Hensley. Drive eight people perished on that street alone when a tornado came through in the middle of the night. Monday sues about as big a tornado is you can have in the sixty miles long. Which is extraordinarily long a very wide one that you see what's happening. In addition to offering moral support trump said a disaster declaration. He signed Wednesday. We'll deliver federal aid quickly. Tennessee's Governor Bill Lee praised the declaration Tamra Keith. Npr News traveling with the president. The Dow Jones Industrial Average has closed down more than two hundred fifty points or roughly one percent at twenty five thousand eight hundred sixty five this is NPR news. London's Royal Opera. House says Placido. Domingo will not return to his role in the upcoming performances of Don Carlo. The Spanish tenor withdrew from several performances. As he faced more allegations of sexual misconduct the Royal Opera House says the seventy nine year old is an outstanding singer and thanked him for his commitment over many decades. No word yet on his replacement will be announced. Islamic state is claiming responsibility for an attack in the Afghan capital. That has claimed at least thirty two lives. The Afghan Health Ministry says more than fifty people were injured. It was the first major attack on Kabul since the US and the Taliban forged an agreement that would pave the way for the withdrawal of U US and allied forces from Afghanistan a suicide bombing near the US Embassy in Tunisia has killed one police officer and injured four others. Npr's Fordham with details to suicide bombers detonated devices next to security forces stationed outside the US embassy in the capital Tunis. The Tunas in interior ministry said that in addition to the police targeted. Some civilians were hut. The ministry said security forces have been placed on high alert. The embassy was previously attacked by a large group of extremists in two thousand twelve. But in general such incidents Albright in the Tunisian capital the State Department released a statement saying that an explosion had happened and that people should stay away from the area. Alice Fordham. Npr NEWS US. Stocks are trading lower at the close the. Dow closed down one percent. S&p Five hundred and Nasdaq closed down over one and a half percent. I'm Lakshmi Singh. Npr News in Washington.

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The Expanse - S05E06 - Tribes

Bald Move TV

1:48:15 hr | 4 months ago

The Expanse - S05E06 - Tribes

"The welcome to bell to load the officially unofficial podcast but expands on amazon streaming. Email prime streaming. I'm jim i'm aaron a today. We're talking about season five episode six titled tribes. Aaron would you think this episode I thought it was really good and in subsequent watches. I really appreciated them. Developing the theme of tribes It's something that like. I is like you know like amos kind of calls it out. Early in the episode is like theory of the turn tribes getting smaller and civilization is kind of like an inverted mercury speech. You know like Call call me when you get a post office and someone who cares the name of his like call me. When the post office fails falls to the the bloodthirsty cannibals. And i'll i'll save you But i really think that they're doing that. I really liked what they're doing Showing how people get in desperate situations and how they're forced to make actions based on inferences of other people's actions and it's the church. It's like a really. It does a really good job of showing both the micro and macrocosm of this churn. Theory that the amos's put forth and I really like it Also like. I've never really got you know. I'm a massive amy fan boy. I never really got the sense that he is like a sociopath in the books and the shows that i've read. This is the first episode where i'm like. Oh shit yeah. I only think that. Because he's been running around with a like like fuck and paladin reigned in his his worst. Impulses it is a. It's a very contradictory character. Because like i don't believe a true sociopath acts like this or even you know But i don't know like i it's something it's a new side of his character that i'm getting for the first time and it was kind of chilling. Would you think your. I'm sure they're a. I'm no psychologist or therapist or anything but I'm sure there are a lot of different types of sociopaths amos's of particular flavor. I guess where you says like not even really understanding the emotions that are going on in any scene like her any any interaction. Amos definitely does but also one of my favorite things. They've done with amos so far is just that one line that he has at the end of the scene where he's like. I need to get back to my crew. It's such it says so much about how he's feeling and just how he can sort of slip back into his old life at any moment right. It's and it is like you said. The only thing is is governor. He's got on him of holden in ao me and the good people around him who are kind of winning him in the right directions you point him in the wrong direction he becomes a monster and I thought that was super effective. That that like the microcosm of the turin like you're talking about a year And yeah the i dunno. They're they're setting up some interesting stuff with drummer Like the tipping of the hand that naomi is on that ship On the pella at by philip at some point creates a lot of interesting possibilities right and we see them jet off so like. We're not sure where that's going. But that opens a lot of interesting doors to see algebra's going gonna react Especially in the show because like as a book reader. None of this stuff is really in there. As far as drummers interactions so this is a whole new dynamic for me to be watching the show and the stuff. They've done with drummer. And naomi in the show has been really good up to this point so i'm more interested in that storyline. I'm astounded that they to hear you say that. This drummer stuff isn't in the books now. Is that is it. Because it's not in. The books is because it's happening with a different character. No no i it. It's it's tough to say I've noticed that's one of the things that the writers seem to lean on when they're adapted to book is like Take things are inferred the book and actually give those scenes. You know abbas sorolla. You don't really get to know her until well into the second book but in the and she's just kind of like you know a behind the scenes persons mentioned In this series you know. They actually make her. You know a full full on full on character and kind of show. What she's been doing that holding gone guests at so. I don't know but it does shock me that like as i thought you'd vail. Yeah it's it's it's. It's the drummer plot. But it's not drummer it's through armor and the no i mean you hard bitten belter outta series reason but it's essentially kind of like the. What did the bowl and drummer. They just reversed bull drummer. You know but yeah no. They've done a lot more with Drummer in naomi in the show than they have in the book. And i i appreciate that like character. Development is much stronger. They don't do very much with amos's character development in the books you know. He's more the gun. You pointed things With this mysterious past which they fill in the blanks in a novella but the main line books don't really do much Do all the stuff they're doing here. Except the claire and amos stuff is not this deep They're doing a much better job in the show With the with the klay miss dynamic getting to know more about them and how they you know how they feel about their pasts and their parents and their current situations like all of that stuff is far spelled out in the show. Yeah and i. I really liked those those those character moms because this is kind of like Man i don't wanna say it's adult episode It it's more one of those And the expense has very few of them were. They're moving pieces around the board. Yep you know To to set up for the net the next piece like The expanse has been able to kind of like For several seasons now just chained together cliffhangers. It's it's crazy and this is an episode where you know. They had some crazy action. Like you know bobby. Once again forms an integral part of structural support of the starship Yeah there's the there's the action scene if you wanna call at that Were clarisa go spider monkey on the survivalist But it doesn't have like the clippers entirely emotional like amos coming at a crossroads in realizing holy shit. If i don't get back to micro my crew micro my crew. That i'm going to go into dark places here. And they do live like layered things to where where they're building tension. Because that whole drummer meeting. Marco seen spaced ashford and you know the relationship they had and like. There's a lot of fireworks that are expected to go off that scene. And the fact that they diffuse that and they just of shove it down only means it's coming back later stronger right. It's like this fuse. That is that you're watching going off in slow motion. It's a inserted an irritant in drummers faction which is Carl corral krill. Carol i think is her name. Yeah okay that sounds very that. I i I i think that's brilliant. And it's also makes perfect sense in like a very game of thrones you know tribute slash ward slash hostage yet Situation like just watch this. This happened raided their son. Keep the peace. That's what's happening here so time-tested feudal manner of Keeping keeping the peace keeping the power structures tax So i thought. I thought that's all it's all very good logical sense and also is going to pay off. I'm sure in spades when it comes to drama as i'm saying you like i'm not I won't say that this is A slow episode. Because again i've seen in so many others Shows like breaking bad was famous for these where they'd have like three barn burners and then quiet introspective episode. But you need those to set up the next barn burner because it's all action all the time. It's a fucking comic book movie. Those can be fine But you know they don't they don't resonate as much as i think. The material in the expanse does so. I i appreciate it and it's not like found this like i was riveted throughout the whole episode. Da all right Well let's get into it. I you kinda like this guy. But when you can't decide between the filet o. Fish or the big mac and he says mortgage. You both thank you. You definitely mike this guy meal. Get it at mcdonald twenty. Get two of your face for just six bucks. Only practice in participation may vary single item regular price support for this podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket. Pay down your student loan. 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I really like this guy by the end of the scene but at the beginning of the season. I'm like oh. My god is a pushover. This guy's at no nothing. Steam robot Sorolla by the end of the scene. I'm like okay. I like this guy right. He's putting he's making smart decisions. He knows his weaknesses. He's putting people with experience in places of of influence People who he respects for having warned him. And then right on this call like he's making decisions off the bat. Yeah counterpoint. I've seen battle star galactica and i think the play is when you're sixty fifth in line of of authority that as soon as you get into the room and you have the people who are actually lieutenants and experts of previous You to shit on them. Tell them they're a bunch of fucking you know Award junkies and intentionally antagonize all your experts. I think i i i. I don't know it'll be interesting to see which one plays out better in the long run Because i never finish battle star I was a number one. Reason does holy shit. President president was rosalyn rosalyn. Rosalyn who but there is a risk of over deferential. People with old ideas possibly bad ideas that may be created the situation in the first place but i like this guy too because he man what an efficient sketch of a character he's inexperienced never been offered before. But you know he got into politics for the right reason yet The guy the he you know he had a you know this this. He thought he could do this. Guy's job better run. Elect the one. I'm presumably free and fair democratic election and doesn't really want this kind of power And sometimes those are the best people to have in these situations humble enough to know That what what. Limits are discerning enough to know who they need on their team to be successful At i i'm i'm really excited because like i said i hope they don't do the thing. Where like officer all just slips into playing him like a fiddle and putting him. And i think that's kind of like a bad ark for her but yeah if you look at a i just wanted to know what diseases guys hiding clearly know. He's if he's going to go the roslyn arc. He's gotta be hiding something to her. Be if you've look at abbas. Rollies arc Throughout this entire show really. She's always been dealing with assholes. Who have some sort of power over her right except for like a small parts of last season where she was the secretary general. Those people have always been kind of bad people or stupid people availing superior right shallow and she has always had you know you can question her motives and stuff. But the best interest of earth. I think And and anti but earth earth for sure. Well yeah. I think it extends mostly to humanity. The belter stuff gets a little complicated. You know There there but that's the show But yeah i think she has ish. She her heart. It's it's like amos right. If her heart is pointed in the right direction by somebody like this. I think she can do. Great things is just a matter of like will this guy be able to. Will he be able to like show her a path forward for humanity not to be the dick's that they've been in the past. And i don't know i don't know and i think there's a lot of We're starting to get drips and drabs of just how dr is like All of new york city is apparently under water. And there's a really like You know you pay attention to some grim shit happened in here like this guy. Got plucked like yuna secret service style from the middle of second grade field trip or whatever and he knows for a fact every one of those smiling. Children's faces is extinguished It's almost certain to blog. June is no more like if he's columbia university. Where is that exact. Maybe we can gets back now. Many blind was a plant. Yeah he was. it's in. That's yeah that's in the heart of new york city like there is unless he had a secret service detail hustling into And i think you're supposed to understand that this is kind of a hollow gesture but it's also kind of the expanse like you know chaos theory. He missed his subway. Because something happened and he you know you hear about the stories in like after nine eleven like people who should have been in there but they missed their connection. And mr mr flight. They missed a taxi. They decided to go outside for smoke. Like i wonder if they would pull something like that Like the stuff we've seen in the past of new york right like the un the un in building In the seattle stuff and most importantly the shantytowns they've got with the makeshift tents and stuff. All those people probably dead probably washed away especially when people. This isn't first century. New york city where the water would recede after sue nami. Or whatever this is new york city who is a functionally ten to fifteen meters below water and now you've got to waive the breaches that if if the wall you know. The wall holds the now. You've just got dam and flooding the entire atlantic seaboard if the wall fails then great. You've just now flooded the entire atlantic seaboard. So we're starting to get these answers of like how fucked deserve earth probably pretty fox and we haven't even gotten to the worst the worst pieces of evidence yet for The other thing is i. This worked so well with officer all is like speech. I think she gave the holden about being the adult in the room. Like you can tell. The all she wants to do is fall apart and be with their children and worrying about our june but like sequence of her like as soon as this acting secretary general leaves like her wiping tears from her eyes putting on like her jewelry armor right. This is a warrior that thought they could relax and mourn their dead. and now it's like. I got armor back up and get ready for for for hard work This is the only seen we get to see her. And it's such a hell. We've spent thirteen minutes discussing it 'cause 'cause they just yeah it's a fucking did show. They layer the shit on and it all works. Fucking apps are allah. She's great Another character this great amos is is escorts claire over to some relief They decide however that they're better off heading for baltimore through the woods because she risks getting shot by the authorities as one of the earth's most wanted people criminals So yeah quick. Quick scene here. it's interesting to amos asserts. That the his crew in baltimore is the type of people. You wanna be around when you're in times like this. I'm not so sure and even if that was true. Is it still true when the guy said next time i see you. I'm putting a bullet in you get like i. I don't. I don't know i don't plus baltimore also Pretty close to the ocean. Someone say so. That brings me to. What i think is a weird choice. We talked last week about how anticlimactic the revealed of the devastation wants to get to the surface through the elevator. Shaft was here they give you the reveal right but i feel like all of this. Like wide shot trees laid down to the ground. A buildings on fire and flooding. All that stuff would have been better served at the end of last episode as i don't know why they did it. I think that there's this episode. I saw more of the seams of budget requirements Where it's like you know. Obviously they spend a lot of money in the show. None of these are like criticism. Sure they did the best job at the budget. But i do think there's some things where it's like claris I'm assuming like the same thing about the amos fight or maybe the clerks are going spider monkey on this guy like these are supposed to be action scenes that they just kinda cut because they didn't have the money to do it and some of those expansive. Cgi shots outside of the tower. Like i don't maybe ran out of time. maybe they ran out of money But i do think it would have been better to yap pan out and show us how they do. They do. They show us. It's a transition zone of like you see devastation. And then this is the edge of it in our building. A refugee camp here is almost like a nuclear winter type situation. Where like this wasn't winter but now it is and you got two feet of snow everywhere Again second piece of evidence. Earth is probably pretty fox You know I so yeah. I i feel that but i think it's probably just gotta be budget decisions. It's just like they didn't have no one do they. Show that they show all that devastation. Right they pan over the the woods. They're totally flattened a year Yeah why can. Why wouldn't they show it at the end of last episode to really drive home the point but like i dunno. My only thought is like it's gotta be money like they had the shot the the they had to do. This shot establish where they're at they didn't before they thought they had or they want to leave it a mystery. I almost like they want you to discover along with the main characters. Kinda how fucker this. Yeah for sure. Amos discovered it. Why did we find out lasted. So i know he's looking off at it. Why couldn't we Whatever it's fine So holden is adjusting to his new crew aboard the rossi and monica boards the ship against bulls better judgment. They take off for the hungarian group and holding gives her Guest privileges to the ship systems and then sees it. He has a message from naomi. Waiting the roster wrong. Didn't expect to be like a dead. That'd be a dead woman. Switch rate that whole like i. I got a email scheduled to sin. And if i don't like ping server every twenty four hours it automatically sends a fucking namely is smart. And i love the. She's got a contingency plan for contingency plan is pretty cool. Yeah interesting to see how that plays out Especially since you think. It has more information than like. Hey i'm held against my will and marcos ship because she got that message out lhasa like is this going to be some kind of tracking code is going to be some kind of like. Here's the because one of the ships and marcos fleet. Is that ship to she brought to her. Son is like override codes for that. So there's going to be some ramming action or rector overload action later All how we feel about that. If like holden pulls that card and philip happens to be at the helm he does like these are some things. I'm wondering i'm wondering how to handle the stuff in the book or in the show compared to the book because this this tracking with the book. But i can't say anything And still going to be fun though. We still know why monica is. Important to marcos's plans it seems like she is She i thought she. This is one of the best scenes. I've ever seen of a civilian weasling their way into military operation as she she just point blank's okay bull I'll is almost killed on your station. Now you've got all your best people on this ship like who's going to protect me arguably the safest place for an mba and you're going to scare me about rough stuff on the rosinante. The i went through the fucking gate. I this that's the higher civil war. I got thrown out of an airlock with a blind guy on this ship. What could happen to me. it's great yet so good Jidai love that. I'm not like the biggest monica fan. Although i think she's like a spitfire and kind of awesome she's also super annoying when she wants to be. Oh yeah yeah. I like bill. Have you know she's like you're either going to lead me a drag me off a bullseye right on with go. Grabber it's it's good it's good So then we go back to you bobby Or sorry. We go to bobby and alex for the first time. This episode there adrift Their engine is Kaput the martian ship. There was chasing them. Sins a boarding party which bobby in her power armor distracts wall alex plants to bomb on the drive. Yeah i was like as soon as i saw them trying to board the ship. I'm like oh we're going to see bobby. Who is he mcabe. And it both did and did not disappoint I had the same problem like with the like the war hammer. Universe where like the space was be so quick and strategically proficient and mazing tech titians. They're also and hulking body armor and every time you see him there. Standing in the middle of the combined fires tanking it while it is laying waste with their superior weaponry. I mean this ever bought like like you know. We saw bobby on a training mission. First time we ever madder. And she's like sprinting around the taking cover and doing somersaults and stuff and maybe she just knows that these beltre's out these little plastic grounds and it doesn't matter. Oh yeah but you know like is it a one percent chance of getting a hose. Nick and all that. I i guess i wish i wish. She'd kind of peak around the corner even though she is in their hulking power armor Let's like the computer says threat level. Low it doesn't say threat. Level no zero rier era But on the other hand it was entertaining just to see her. Giant garlanded limited fists with the chain. Just grow that guy in half. Oh yeah and and yeah her her. Becoming the structural support for the spaceships welding together was just chefs gifts. I love it so much. I do my other favorite part of this scene is when the day he plans to bomb they blow it up. Disabling the other ship destroying the other ship. I can't remember if it blows up or not least disabling a for sure. And then they jet off is what their emergency pattern for. Whatever the way that. Alex gets leveled to the deck. And he's he's like taking it. I'll like alex is at crusher anything. But he's he's pinned to the deck. And bobby's you're standing there and portable crash couch. Smiling adult both looping they're both war whoops and he's doing his yeehaw but yeah he's just crashed down through the back up It's a great. It's a good scene And it's it's. I also like to point where alex make kinda like the leap of faith or i don't know if calculated trajectory where it looks like. He's gonna miss everything but then the The razorbacks swings. He's able to grab it yet. Bobby suit not have any. I know she has like jump jets that she could use to like really prefer resume. She's gotta have thrusters on them. Right there's no way a marine outfit in the galaxy won't have space suit thrusters like our whole the whole reason. The marines are all about like being in one thing and then hit and the other like you're on a boat and you hit the land. You're on a plane. You hit the land. You're on the land hitting the boat. Like yeah they can't be helpless in the voided. The it'd be ridiculous it would be They'd be they'd be In the army if that's the case Trying to think if we'd seen it. But i can't remember. Yeah i feel like maybe there is some like suit displays of retro actor fi when she was like falling off big High cliffs season three year. The those bridges like soften the not only the lower gravity. But it's often impact. But i don't know could be Oh wasn't wasn't Diego his guys name. What what diogo. When they were weren't they kind of like jetting up the elevator shaft. Yes yes they were. I don't think they were climbing. They were just kind of like iron meaning up so there. You go okay One other. I've never i've been. I've been looking for this information forever and ever and i finally found something that explains the entire livery of the razorback which you've got a real nice shot of. It's like the history of flight it starts with Or maybe A leonardo da vinci concept of human flight and then the next one is the wright brothers. The next one is the spirit of st. louis The next one is just a seven forty. Seven kind of random connects the space shuttle. The next one off that is the virgin. Galactic starship Which is present day starship. The next one is the oji upstream epstein drives ship. And then you have the razorback and what was really cool is this livery is almost identical to the actual thing on virgin galactic spaceship to except for the station like it stops at the at the at the at the spaceship too. So i think it's it's kinda cool like is there some kind of vir- like Ancient virgin company sponsorship into right razor back But it's a cool. It's a cool nod to current space culture and future space culture. Yeah i don't think. I had noticed it before this but as cool aren't then we go over to marco in. He is pissed that he has planned to destroy. The rossi was thwarted by me so he tells philip and said to space her. And they refuse in marco it throws a fit but he backs down and the confrontation between Everybody kinda shakes philip. So he goes to to talk to his mother and kinda yell at her but she flips around on him tells him one day he'll have to pay a heavy price for the murder of millions and that marquez using him yeah you've ended millions of innocent lives. You don't feel the weight of it now but you will God damn what. It must be tough to say that as a mother to assign that you don't even know And also like you re starting to see the cracks and marcos show up in this episode yet that his support is probably pretty fragile and he says some other scary shit later in the episode. That i'm going to be talking about. But yeah like i when he said spacer. It's still not clear if he was talking to sinn or phillip but like this guy is in a maniac if he thinks you own son the spaces mother It's it's this thing with marco. Like he and i love how sin calls him out essentially calls him out on it without so many words. He says you know you want you want this done. Do it yourself. And marco tellingly immediately instead of like taking that responsibility on himself or or or commanding sin to do it You know with the punishment of death. He pivots to the guy. He thinks his weaker the guy he thinks he can manipulate right. His son philip yeah and emotionally abuses him. Yeah pivots to the word. The child in the room like do this thing i. It's it's really gross And it shows like the darker side of marco like yet. He's he's a murderer but he's also like this manipulative cowered in a way to it's It's really like a nice complex character. That i i appreciate. Yeah and this. This is such a. It's such a great visual to see this bear of a man. Stand up to this guy and be like you've gotta do yourself unless you think you can make me. Yeah and then then. Just when marco might have to kind of reconsider. How approaches people and enabler steps forward to say. Hey next time. Ask me and i'll make sure it gets done corral. Putting her then on drummer ship should make. You really scared right. Like if he gives the command. What is going to happen to drummer. We're maybe maybe doesn't even have to give the command. Maybe she can just kind of understand that of marco or here he'd be cool with it and how mad is he going to really be if i- spacer and beg forgiveness versus asking permission you know like seems like marco crew might Might run that way Yeah no high drama putting her on the ship for sure yep We got there yet but we will So amos and claire talking about how her family a specific. Wait before. there's this one hammer that completely. This is the this is the seeds of arco destruction Because naomi says the fill up he doesn't. He's got phillips like he loves means like no he only loves himself. He wouldn't die for you but he would let you die for him and phillips face says that he knows deep down or leasees suspects that this is a true statement like no one's ever said it before laid it out like that but it goes into that kind of slimy manipulator that like yeah that actually tracks with my knowledge of this guy so i i'm the that the scene that came right before this right but she but she knows that's the kind of thing would happen and marcos probably been pushing him for years rights and she left now. She's sharing her true. That's the thing that's like. A naomi be nail national me is like had ripple effects already like sin cinnamon done when he did. If she hadn't of like i thought that he that sin might turn against her forever after he she whacks him with giant space monkey wrench last episode but like and in fact like she's actually scored points on every person she's kind of proto molecule contagion of goodness the mess that slowly infecting His inner circle With the notable exception of karl or corral right A missing clara talking about how her family specifically your grandfather helped fund this reforestation project that are traveling through Clear is not feeling great. And amos notices a body on the ground in as he's stripping it they're going over The history with their parents. And how you know damis thinks he's got a father out there it's a shortage parent kind of thing And as they continue on the sun begins darkening and they run into a guy who probably killed the body found. I assume out of the hades not spelled out here. But that's my that's the thing it's like that's an assumption you can make. It's probably assumption. You need to make in that situation and its way. He says it took claire. That's a nice jacket like like he's sizing up the stuff they have so he can take it but but but also a messiah in the guy before makes me think that. That's not the case. I i don't know well. Yeah because like there's like so many things run through my mind. I saw first time. It's like did he kill that guy. Was that this guy's friend that just kind of you know an. He recognizes the jacket. Or was he like hiking on the same. Pass all the same body in like okay. So he's i tuned math about these guys to I it's think yeah it's such a nice it like because all we know is amos's perspective that other guys like he's in the turn to I think that's that's the tribal stuff i thought was really cool and really in I enjoyed even more on subsequent watches. Because i got to like universe time. It's all by okay. We'll letters clarisa. And what's what's amos thinking. But now what's this guy thinking. How dirty ours. Fingernails and Was also is also fun. You know that like they ever say his name but Hall in the background over. The whole conversation is pierre. Schroeder's meow do you think he's dead. No i don't think so. I think he's in a prison somewhere. Think he's in like club fed in space like there's like with all the other corrupt the politicians and bankers. I guess it's possible on the where the prison he that i think he's in probably is. Maybe that got flooded. Maybe that got hit with a rock. I dunno thing. I was thinking about is is really fucked and it's i don't know what's population is an expanse. I'm guessing ten to fifteen billion people that means probably ninety. Nine percent of everyone on earth is going to die because there's no way earth mars and the belt combined have the lift capacity to get everybody out before you run out of food before you run out of safe drinking water before everyone dies from exposure because you know half the people baltimore miller out in the street like this is like the more i think about the more grin the situation becomes if if indeed talking about a planetary extinction event and when you see the sun starting to dim right because of the looks like the moon being thrown up into the atmosphere. It's it's scary. That's real scary. Yeah that's already altering the weather. You've already devastated so many population centres that might have the skills and technology needed to bring things around like it's And what does that look like. What does earth look like when you know. It's just a dead rock that all these has way too many people on it starts to look like an asteroid into belt. That's missed its ice shipments. You know like there's so many kind of delicious irony that could play at that but they're also there if you kinda gross even cena like that because they're also is a human tragedy on a scale that no that's never been imagined outside of like you know Michael bay michael bay has imagined. It turned up on cinnamon a few times but other than that other than that madman. Yeah and immoral psychopath. Deep impact on. That's michael bay. But i've i've seen the surest history second great is criminal elijah woods. Yeah it's other than those people. Yeah you're going to say. Morgan freeman and i was gonna put up a fight lied. You would know. He's not in the top dozen worst history for sure. So this guy this whoever whether he's a murderer or a great guy he warns them about a proper who shoot anyone that comes close in the head directly for this paper I love i love amos a stupid cape that. He's walking around in this flag. He's got it like this bahaji you and flag. Yeah it's like. It's i i don't know it's i i feel like this is just there so people don't be like how are they surviving in the nuclear winter while they got gotta clean out of a flat got up on show this muscles keeping warm i But but the the the thing is is like you know maybe can take it But julie not julia sorry. Claris is having a hard time with it especially with oliver. The chemical situations. He's under so i do. I do wonder about this statement. Amos makes about ways of living a good life of that being a good person Is he talking about his life. On the rossi. Because that that's what it feels like to me. It feels like it goes back to. His is adopted mother. I guess saying that. Like i've been a bad person but i'm going to like i think it's like i. I feel like almost amos took the wrong lesson. It's not that you can be a bad person. Live a good life. It's more of like you can just choose to stop stopping bad in in in you know especially if you get to someplace has got civilization where you can you. Can you can be that way. You can expand your tribe Because i didn't get that. Like i almost like a fake it till you make it kind of like. Hey we're we know where from we have a chance but we're gonna act like we do. We're gonna act like people that do that's going to like fake it till you make it being good So i i don't know what amos's arc is going to be. Is it going to be like he just gets back to his crew and becomes a good person again or is he going to find some inner kind of conscious morality because i know he knows some things are bad. Some things are worse. Some things are irredeemable. some things aren't But as he noted he knows it already. I don't know it's a. He's a fascinating guy I like hearing the name of our mandalorian. podcast his mouth tribe of two right. Now you have to just just just. I wonder if that is actually a reference to the mandalorian because there's got to be a pretty mutual fan society in science fiction right. Oh yeah i just don't know us. The timing lies quote. Maybe because i guess we're they were shooting in verses. I can't remember that was closed. That was the hammer at the end of the season. One okay. They probably had time to get get that in there if they wanted to. Maybe i wasn't sure if is in the book but the yeah and it's too bad because we are podcasts. Almost lined up like you know made laurien ended like two three weeks ago and out and also what's up. I love his cape. But what's up with amos's hair in these scenes. Have you seen this. Like patchy like somebody took a a clippers to his head with the butt. Did a terrible job missed spots and now it's like hair to me interesting. I did not notice. Usually concetta watch by. His haircut is usually on point but in this episode as messed up like he's he's bang. I know that later nips that he gets covered in blood and there is. There is a lot of things i was like what wind amos get fucked up. I keep on remembering all right. He likes pantley truly. Just i'm sorry clarisa. Just bursts this guy yeah ripped in manhattan or something All right so we go over to the beltre's again. On tremors ship and oxana is expressing her worries about. How driver will handle this meeting with marco. One of her crewmates guy says we'll deal with that if it becomes a problem and the free navy shows up with way better ships. Nah expected martian warships docked. They're taking a marco by members of the black sky golden. Bough belter factions. Which is interesting like. I couldn't believe what these people looked like they. They are some of the most heavily tattooed. Beltre's i've seen yet almost like they're wearing masks is kind of crazy which is good like language of cinema right telling us these the hardest core of shelter right. It's like you know like maybe all may ori people have some kind of facial tattoos. But if you see someone that's like the entire face the most or upper body like this is a warrior of some renown. Your wants you to think the day he or she is slowly. I yeah like these guys. These are like the beltre's of like these are the fucking pirates of pirates. You know belter. Well i mean. Isn't that 'cause that's like the because all these like black sun golden. These were all like the terrorist organisations as like you know hamas getting together with the palestinian liberation organization. Or something like it's not beltre's not beltre's of beltre's But it's definitely the belter terrorist shelter terrorists and they. I love how smart as these people. It's they immediately deduce. What's going on and by doing that. They explain the concept to us so nice like through through an efficient walk and talk. Where are these people doing here. And they realize oh. It's this is the essentially hostages tribute And that that goes like it really pays into this tribal theme that amos this set up in a previous scene that like tribes are getting on earth. tribes are getting smaller but in the belt the tribes are getting larger. they're going from factions donations. It's an interesting symmetry that's happening So when they meet marco their intention over ashford's death which is kinda diffused by questions about how they're going to feed the beltre's marco says he's got a plan for it which involves again amita. He invites the free navy and stuff soon. Because they're in a war that he started and they need is protection. There's so much great stuff here. Like in in the walk and talk. They also let us know that. According to these these beltre's who would know that based on who he's got on his ship that marco probably commands about half of the military might of the oath of the opiate navy. Where i guess the total opiate which is significant like once a thirty percent. And they're still hope that you can get a bigger faction but you know if someone controls fifty one percent then by definition they have more support than you're going to have to work to change that They don't know of the events that happened on tyco yet and we don't really know how far down that goes like. Who doesn't drummer doesn't go right okay. I drummer doesn't sure So we we have a little more information but we like monica says earlier. We don't know how many people are still loyal to marco on tyco tyco gabi drummer does know about fred because they discussed it last episode and one guys like treading carefully way mentioned fred john so i do think she knows okay. Yeah you're right Yeah mark mentions the death. Fred doesn't doesn't he. Yeah somebody the. I guess i do know for a fact they that they discussed it as a as a crew. Yeah okay yeah. You're right about that. So i guess she does know but we don't really know how far that goes right like his tyco going to somehow out become part of markaz faction Is he gonna get like the biggest shipyard in the solar system. Who knows we'll have you ever heard of lysenko. Ism jim no So this is something i research into. Three right turns like last year but in the early twentieth century we know we learned a lot about genetics and how to make hybrid species of things And a lot of the world like came up with wheat that was drought resistance and passed resistant and could deliver. You have long short growing cycles in yield more more weeden when the reason that industrial farming is how we feed almost eight billion people on this planet. With the notable exception of the soviet union who decided that genet- the the science of geneticists genetic Designs of genetics was beaujoire. It's and they instead followed this guy lysenko Who got in good with stalin and he he With a combined a stolen had over three thousand soviet scientists and agriculturalist either exiled imprisoned or executed and in the science. Denial ism they ended up. You know it's one of the reasons that the soviet union chronic food shortages and even starvation not the only reason. 'cause stalin is a real falker but it didn't help that they were like doing things like you know how we can get summer winter. You know winter wheat yields a lot more in summer year Week grows lot faster. Let's take a summer. Wheaton will planet in the winter. It will train the wheat to be winter wheat. Hamre right to what they need to be. Yeah yeah yeah. Because like the that's how genetic and because they rejected for political reasons They suffered for it. I'm wondering if they're going down this path or marco. The madman is essentially betting all of human agriculture. Because they make this point. This is something that you found the martian to that you can't just put water and dirt and seeds together anyplace no solar system like. There's all kinds of complex bio chemicals and proteins and living elements in soil. That make it work. And he's just exterminated per. Potentially this is the other big like earth thought that they're talking about the collapse of the entire biosphere and his plan is a single belt. Scientists that work that the ganymede project. That has facts and figures. Show how they can out produce the whole earth in a very short amount of time. This definitely had my my lysenko Sinces tingling like oh jesus is this guy qualified to make these statements was the scientists. These was this renegade ganymede scientists. Like i don't know but something that. I'm i'm worried about. It feels like maybe a half baked plan based on ideology need rather than actual reality With the to interesting idea. I will say the martians. Better start hitting the better start. Shouldn't to meet all the shit. They can get hurt shitting and buckets and mix. Yeah get those are the martian. They're hungry lion off the rental shelves on mars right now. They're all trying to get the watney. The watney method needs Watney is future while got their bunsen burners out there boiler their own shit So this is another scene where marco has a point and market was persuasive You know in these speeches and you can see where a lot of people would buy into this especially the more radical factions of the though. Pa stuff like that. It's you know the the the boot is very real on. The beltre's neck has been for a long time. And i don't think he liked necessarily convinces drummer of anything really. She's more like going along with this because there really isn't another choice as her cruel point later. But it's it's good that they're not just making this guy this sort of buffoon this cackling villain who is just evil. For evil's sake he's got a he's got a real grievance here and they keep you know unfolding the layers of that. And i i appreciate that. Yeah very smart. He's very resourceful. Very ambitious But he also has you know. He's not the mary sue villain either like. He's got stranded huge imperfections. Yeah i i i. It's rare 'cause it's funny 'cause on our our sifi sundays where we watched star treks into expanses. We've had back back terrorist plots. And i talked about this in previous weeks. It's so funny that it kinda lined up this way you know we don't usually get this kind of nuance when we're seeing in science fiction when we picked terrorists They're either universally bad and had to be defeated by the legitimates us law and order the galaxy or their the good guys the rebel alliance. And we don't ask about too many questions about who is under death star and blah blah blah and. What happens afterwards. Somethings that the mandalorian you know. Giving his answers and the answers aren't good But yeah like. I i really enjoy how you know. Like for like ninety nine point nine percent of planning just kind of trapped with the people that are making the decisions and if we live in a country that lets us Every couple of years we get to decide. Who are those people. But it's kind of terrifying. Like i felt that being in this belter committee where it's like everyone's right you know But you're also trapped. It's a choice without the the has no choice without a choice and that that if nothing else if if if that sinks through people's heads that's that's an amazing insights into the human condition and one of the things that marcos so great at right presenting people with choices that aren't actually a choice Rights i think that's why he gets so many people to follow him because not because like it will because s he is charismatic and yes he is fulfilling some some sort of wish the builders had for a long time but also he kinda traps people into these situations. You get the impression that like sin you know is on the edge there and it's it's maybe only like he's gotten into deep at this point to with like forces people to commit more code like all this stuff like maybe he would want out if he could get out right Yeah i wonder 'cause like the thing that i'm thinking of. Also how do you beat. A guy like seems like the only way to do it is to after beat him but you have to beat them in a way that proves what they say is a lie. Yeah you know because like he has an enormous amount of truth that he can use for. Beltre's motivate them like you know like what he said to Naomi earlier in this episode. Like we've been in a war you just don't know it because they're killing us so slow. Yeah that's it. I mean we've seen enough of the show that that's true How is earth and mars. Fight this without confirming the all. Those things are true. Are there ways like you know. And that's what our minds hearts minds like like our doesn't space him before because he knows that if he they create a martyr. Here it's just going to make things worse that yeah you've got to kill what he stands for not just him Right and the only way you can do that. I mean is like i mean the long game is like hey if you go back in time and take care of beltre's treat him fairly. You wouldn't have this guy to deal with bright Best time like the best. Time is one hundred years ago the second best time right now but you also have to go to war with half of them. So what's that look like boy. If this shows got answers what have big ears listening to because we could apply that to a lot of modern life. Also like what they're doing with drummer Being on the same ship as naomi and not knowing it like she'll figure that out here in a little bit but the the the delicious bid here is that she's walking around in the same breathing the same air as naomi doesn't even know it could help her. I could do something about this. It's good it's good stuff. The same decides he's gonna walk right up to this front door and claim that he wants to trade the repor makes him strip and is about to shoot him and take what every has powers up and just tears him apart they go inside to find a boatload of supplies and some bikes amos. Let's claire asleep off the after effects for maude. And here's her talking about monsters in her sleep That's about it for the scene. Yeah we find something very important in in a scene Which is amos does not skip leg day. No no he's not he's got them thick walnut cracking dies and ass So it's like a whole package. We've all always wondered. Why was he cut cutoff at the come nope they got some real fan service. That's important information downgrade from the book downgrade from the book because they make totally strip in the book. Like all the way down. Yeah yeah go. Anti lock-up like lift nuts and cough kind of thing pretty much. I was wondering when they started this scene if they were going to make him do that and they do not. This guy this This proper this twenty four. Th century pressure looked so much. Like dexter that. I tried to make a joke about like. This is like dexter to seventeen. He off everyone via lumberjack. That his descendants wandered a denuded north america and finally when the ancestors of meow started reforesting it he came down from the canadian rockies and and But i felt like amos didn't have i felt like amos look foolish in the scene because it didn't feel like he add a plan like if there's a scene like Him like hey things get dicey. Do your tongue thing. And she's not tongue thing is gonna work. He's like i have faith then. It's like you know i i. I think you're supposed to understand that. He he knew that if clerks spends the night i hear she dies and that was an unacceptable thing in his logic structure so any risk even if it was certain death is just like he doesn't care about his own life or whatever So i think it works anyway. But i do wish there was a selena dialogue because like closer look so bad. I just assume that she would just pass out on. A tree is somewhat shocking when she came in spider monkey guy and also didn't help is pretty clunky nonstop Action seem you know. Yeah very sale. Listrik all those kind of action scenes have been filmed at a very stylistic way the season except for the suplex heard round the the shattered world of last year. You we haven't gotten a lot of There's been that that fire team assault on fred's quarters and there's been some cool action scenes it just. I don't know why they wouldn't do it here. Except for because we seen clarisa kick ass before The atmosphere why they went with the shaky cam clarisa in your face scratching your blood explosion but I was wondering if if if if this goes and amos guy to trade the gun for the water cycler is just kill this guy because he have a water cycler. Yeah right at the c. Take him hostage and ties him up. Because i think the amos thinks he has a kid in there too which is the really troubling thing Maybe snow snake. Yea because they show the front of that barrel and it's iced over and and so he's got know it's been there for very long time if he sees the amos and smart. Yeah and there was just someone shot so he like the barrel may maybe still be warm at the blood was fresh not frozen so and also how you gonna sit at that window with a sniper rifle so the barrel freezes over like he'd has feel of of placement not somebody's sitting at a window because stranger walked up. That's cool but so so. I was just trying to think of what situation ins and this guy not dying in the clearest brings up the point to but like i think that's the thing amos goes in there fully intending to kill this guy and in clarinet. No way to do so. And that's the thing. I was a clear clear so this whole time. It's both. It's both clear for thursday. Saying peaches is nickname short for her fake name. Melba yes some people ask us on the live. Watch so Yeah i. I don't know i felt like i felt like a doomed charge. That got saved because the claire wasn't as hurt as we thought she was. Maybe or she had you know. Just just enough inhibitor. To have one brief burst of action or whatnot And i mean a lot of the stuff she's feeling is because of the drug Come down you know. Like she's she's coming off these these inhibitor drugs and so you get the impression that like and she's already tried to use his power once and i think that helps here because you're not sure how. He misses getting out of this. If if claire is unable to use her powers and fortunately she is but that was a big question. mark the other thing. I really love about this scene. Hats off to the sound. designer here is win. The guy is about to pull the trigger and the camera is locked in on his trigger finger. Right and you see and you see miss reacting as if he's about to get shot there's the sound of claris mod activating but it almost feels like it's the sound of amos ending death right. They use it for like purpose there. And it's not until after you hear the sound the thin clarisa shows up and kicks his guys ass. It's a really nice touch. Where were you hear clarisa before you or you hear the hallmark of clarisa before you even see him. It's real good. Yeah and again. It's used as ripta's dude. In half the way gets covered in blood. Holy moly that's wild. German or crew argue over whether to join the free navy or not eventually decided to join engage in a crew. Trade drummer is interest philip. Who slips up and gives away the fact that naomi is aboard the pellet afterward philip asks naomi about the beam that story and slow zone as marco watches through her cell camera and monitored. The rossi's flight plan toward the sameeh. Plotting some kind of intercept course. I don't that's all. I could glean from what i saw in those holograms. Yeah i was wondering if you knew. Because i could tell he was doing something. Crafty with Naomi ship to she gifted to fill up This is a moya chat. Chat smoking chats america The chain smoker. I i could tell he was doing something crafty with it but i wasn't i that stuff is dislike. I don't know what the fuck but in notice yet. The language of these things is like. There's there's a potential flight plan. Which i think is the dotted lines and you can see rossi heading for does a media and you see him sort of chart. I think it's the chad smoker toward that. An plot an intercept someone. okay. I think that's what's I thought this debate amongst drummers faction was a model of lag efficient dialogue because like every like the that could be three hour discussion but like they boil it into just like these. Like almost like i felt like a a dance choreographed fight. You know that like The earth's nak when we start slinging slugs up here not gonna make the distinction between the beltre's and a bad beltre's Also like he's a mass murderer. Wealthy need protection from earth isn't the greatest mass murderer of teheran's like the person you have on your side And also like you know the one guy who stood up said. Hey we'd there is no choice here acting like there's a choice but there's not Because the reality is we. Three ships are not making it out of here. We're not shooting your way. Alec what did they say a. I'm even shocked at. How much shifted. Marcos's got this is the thing that still does not make sense. I haven't heard a compelling haven't seen something compelling yet about like why they would give this much might a light cruiser heavy frigates that was just amongst the armaments so out classroom so like yeah they can. They can essentially the feerick decision to say. Hey feerick moral victory. I guess that that Pyrrhic amish rapper announced that it's peer to peer. I make the moral decision to like. Stick it the marcos and they get the die right you know they take the they take the the ghost knife a protocol but that is not a choice. You know Because it doesn't do anything it doesn't weaken. Marcos doesn't you know ennoble the beltre's to earth or anything like that and i thought that was just like a really smart. You know you gotta live. Maybe fight. Another day sabotage. Resist that kind of thing. Yeah and this is I guess this is the dilemma here. Right because those kind of choices would make a difference. If if many many many of the beltre's were doing it if all of them together were saying no marco actually. We're not going to support you and you can kill us all but you're not going to get what you want that way. Listen say let us know that. Fifty percent of the belt is weight behind marco. All ready lighting the lighting the ducks up in a row and their iceland. They don't have communication with other beltre's at the moment. They've just sort of been out doing their own things so yeah and he probably i. If he was smart he probably contacted these. Various golden bough blacks on In a in an order of lag. Most likely to join me right so lagged drummers faction who could go either well you didn't she didn't go snipe me but also she hasn't exactly been sending out feelers like he's already got the support he needs. This is just bonus as everything else is just gravy And like they don't stay this stuff. It's just the show expects you to kind of pick up and and keep up a expects our that you know what's going on in this world and yeah how people react to those things and what kind of sense that makes and i think it makes perfect sense. Yeah it's easy to say. I'm not going to support a person like this. And then the reality of actually will what does that mean like in the next five minutes a whole different. That's a whole different thing So then we haven't really they don't like totally spell this out in the episode but phillip does give away the presence of naomi on the pellet. Right he remembers you to tell her anything because i can tell her myself and she definitely picks up on that she's given long looks at philip. She's out when she hears him. Say that If she's not on the pella if she doesn't know that then she at least knows the naomi is within their sphere of influence. So yeah it. It's it's also kind of an easy leap to make. The chief might be kept close to marco that market will be that kinda guy keep his enemies close that sort of thing And drummer does mean mugging. The shit out of everyone in everything Like if looks could kill all my god. These people would be sucking void right. Now she's shooting rail cannons adam It's great i. I love it building a lot of tension here. We didn't really talk about how much i really enjoyed the like. it's something. I can't relate to the way this belter crew hers like her. Exo is lovers with another of the x os. Or i may maybe the captain of another ship and they're all like you know the way that like all that power of balance like you know they're they're talking about Hey we can't let her get out of hand. We have to make sure that she stays cool. We have to. it's not like they're teaming or intrigue it's more of like we need to make sure she doesn't get us all killed in herself while keeping in mind she's going. I actually really liked that in itself. You know like. I don't think there's many shows that depict a five-way emotional sexual relationship. And and i also fisher. It made me think of baton terms of tribal. I don't know. I don't think anyone knows exactly how humans live thirty five thousand years ago but there are some evidence to suggest that like this nuclear family concept that we hold up as like sacrosanct is fairly relatively recent invention of like you know mike when i say recent like maybe five thousand years ago agriculture cities. Kind of thing like. Yeah if you're rolling around in a tribe thirty or forty people You know happens if people break up and move and grow up together and move away and joins like it's i mean is it. Is it all going to be just one one man one woman and their children and i i think it's i don't know i don't know i really see dan and ties us than this pushing like current trends to like extremes or they trying to say something suggestive about you know humanity outside of like boxes that force you to conform to certain things what what they do but i think it's really interesting and you don't see it a lot anywhere else. Really me the impression. I get is the and she says like when she trades off one of her crew like she's trading family right. She's not like not like corral who is a crewmate to tamp she's trading family and so yeah her to his son but like he is not trading not trading. Yeah but i get the impression that the beltre's have a culture that has evolved past like of your crewmates as just people who employ you though employees like acquaintances stuff like that or people who are just there to get the job done. They are family because they are keeping you alive right and if they don't care about you as much as you care about them people are going to die because you're just not gonna check seal on something enough times it's at triple check everything. Ethos all of that has has kind of expanded to their culture at large and this group is very much a family. And that means you know everything that means for a husband a wife except extended damore people And it's even. It's also more complicated that because it's not that there's no because obviously in like an battle and torpedoes replying. You can't be like all right. Time out house. Everyone feel about activating pd sees. And maybe like you know. Doing you have to have someone barking. Orders in like making split-second decisions but like in times now like that. Yeah you do have time to like decide things democratically as a crew It does seem like the beltre's it makes total sense because the outer planets alliance looks like an anarchy symbol but it does look like they've found some kind of way to practice small-scale functional anarchy amongst scar stars But yeah you usually when we see like these type of like If you see two main characters paired off and having sex and then in another seen a different main character like a betrayal right now they find out. It's ski when i first that seen is like. Oh god what is what's going to happen. They're gonna slip slipped in a bit. No there is looking after drummer and the crew. I think that's cool. Yeah for sure All right claire wakes up. They heard amos talked about their the her mom for a bit and the namus asked about the the monsters that she was talking about her sleep. She explains that. It's part of pelham. She is to keep herself from thinking that she's a monster. Unfortunately it has the exact opposite effect on amos who says i need to get back to my crew which holy shit. That is an understated dark line. Say i want to stress. We don't have access to captions I could not understand what amos said where he's like. Oh eric holden something about holden of what. I did to that guy but i couldn't get the exact ohio log suggest. Sure okay But he's he's realizing that he is one of those monsters because he's not afraid i mean right he he has she has just labeled him a monster right by saying that right. I'm not a monster because monsters do bad things. And but they're not afraid of kill rights and amos kills without fear. Yeah and i think that last season he said something about like. It's not that he doesn't get afraid is just not. I don't know so. I i don't. That's the thing like. I don't know if the shows saying that. He is a monster and psychopath sociopath or he just got a lot of fucking damaged keeps him from seeing things. The way a normal person does but yeah he doesn't need to get back to his his crew because whatever whatever path he's going to be on going to be improved by him being in these life and death situations for much longer no he can't earn and and remain a good person or you know these remained pointed in the right direction. If he's not a good person and it's gonna be interesting to see. How much longer do you have to go out here. And in in the survival situation caney avi you know. Katie get off with Was a look like when he reintegrates with the crew the rossi now he's gone feral. Are we going to start choking out holding again You know throwing alex through a fucking table and the you know. He's been known to overreact. In earlier. seasons lots of lots of fascinating story potentials for my favorite character in. I love how this meshes with things we've seen in the past right because it's not just like clair. As labeling him a monster the de facto but he has also by the definitions of this poem labeled himself that because in last season when he's dealing with mercury he sits down with mercury and says we're both killers the difference. Is that like you know you kill. Because you're an asshole like kill it killed needs to be done or whatever. I forgot exactly what he says. He's labeled himself a killer. And so when clare labels killers as monsters if they're not afraid and amos knows he's not afraid it's it just uses the stoppard's happened right in previous seasons to to label him as the monster. Yeah like the. There's also keep on seeing his foreshadowing. His lysenko a theory that i introduced like as when your claris clarisa says like you know my implant. Does this leads me like this. And he's like oh that's a shitty shitty design could use a little bit more forethought and she's like why didn't think about the consequences only revenge and i think you could apply that the marco to like the idea just no fucking way he can kill earth and they're not gonna be unintended consequences Interesting to see what they do with that. Yeah yeah i think that's it. This podcast is sponsored by helix. Sleep and i don't know about you. Jim but my sleep schedule is whacked out from the holidays. I've been staying up late to binging. Tv playing video games sometimes. A mental four am next time. A pass a nine thirty. I'm just every which way here i've forgotten. What sleep is at this point. Well you know what i say. New year new sleep habits new mattress. So let's talk about helixsleep. 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At least i mean faulk. The lauren got nominated last year. Yes it's why or why. Young adult and mildly boring but man got nominated nonetheless shots fired star wars fan and mildly pump. Damn controversial writing characters effects. I don't say this lightly but to the best. Tv show of all time. The best to fight me. I don't know if it's the best. I like another show based on baltimore quite a bit deals with real life politics and intersection of policy and stuff like that. But it's a damn good show. I think it's as worthy of an emmy as star trek the next generation who won several emmys for writing and even a couple of acting them. I don't think they actually want. It might have been nominations. I think it's deserving didn't battle star get a few minutes later on in its run I i don't yeah. I don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know why Quite gels competition like the competition. I can't imagine what super stiff back when next generation was on the air You know true. The late eighties early nineties not known for their amazing television. Yeah fortunately is not so not a lot of people i think. Watch this show. And i mentioned in an earlier podcast that we would have a little bit of evidence. Not circumstantial about like the impact that the expanse has because we we went through the live watch phase of the boys which is another amazon prime show only in its second season that in its fifth And we saw what that did to the watch. Parties like it just exploded category Depending on how you look at it the the expanse and it's not done at the throne of course but the expanses had one third to one half of the impact of the boys Probably less because usually when a boat rises. It doesn't like know people you know. Go to watch party for first time. It's not like they might be more. Inclined dislike just grew the audience and then the expanse could have grown in on top of it. It's half or one-third of what the high water mark of the boys watch parties were again is at one. The one people to do watch parties people to watch the shows that minutes extrapolation twitches a sci fi geek friendly you know kind of like network thing and the boys and the expanse kind of have that similar appeal. They're very different shows. I mean i'm not saying like emotionally. They're not even close Dramatically but you know same kind of people watch both and i. I was honestly disappointed to see that. I was really hoping that it would be as big. Maybe a little bit more than the boys I that's the thing like this show is on a a a a at outlet. That's that's pretty. New and unproven doesn't have the marketing teams. The emmy lobbying team that the hbo and netflix does because it is very political And it doesn't have the the the audience Apparently either and it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate but you know what that other great show set in baltimore. That got zero. Emmy wins a Sometimes you just have to accept that you're watching the best show and fuck with everybody else. Thinks norm says at the end of last season. It seemed like marco merry band of terrorists had crossed big asteroid or tossed a big asteroid masked by marstellar technology towards earth. But i'm confused about what happens next. Got to close at sunnybrook up. Marcus realize this phillips knockout the observatory and removed. Their knowledge is that what happened Yes yeah yeah. that's exactly. Yeah it's one of the asteroids They got the got busted up. And that's exactly what happened I thought they did a pretty good job at telling that but some people got confused he says had marcano about this new observatory I think it's more of like. Marcos was was we know. He was calculating trajectory of asteroids. Very closely He since he was knew where to look. and where to find it He probably observed busting up and saw that the altered trajectories gonna bring it passes observatory. I don't think he has like everything wired and tap and all that kinda stuff I think it's more like he was tracking him. Saw something happen was trying to be proactive. Sounds right but it's also i. It is a little bit head scratcher like you get this carefully calculated plan right. This three pronged attack. You can attack marcham parliament. You're gonna attack tyco station. You're going to throw rocks and yet you throw one too close to a son it. It seems like maybe you could plan that that one aspect of it a little better. I guess i would say the same. Except for i've seen To space shuttles blow up in my lifetime with thousands of people coming over every square inch of it and checking in like one over it was. It was a putty ring that brought it down one time another was like two or three tiles. That were scuffed up because ice hit it. So it's like you know the the the the the martians data material safety sheet show like how much gravitational effects can withstand. And how what kelvin it can before it starts to break apart like yeah. It's it's tough like why it so close to a son but maybe they just miscalculated jamming. You don't you. Don't get to choose The isaac newton is the one that gets to choose what trajectories are. And if you wanted things a hit in a particular time in their set you gotta know. Yeah gotta slingshot Yvonne says do we. Do we think that drummers i make up as tattooed on on episode three stephen wakes up in her full death said makeup however solid smearing when she got weepy. Maybe not tattoos Seriously it has take twenty minutes each morning plus touchup several times a day. She seems to bad ass for that kind of major printing. It looks perfect. Even when she's in a life or death battle mode sesame discussed this at length during his episodes as we saw the same things. You got any Book insights or oh. Yeah the book has like sixteen pages right smack dab in the middle of a firefight talking about her. I make no of course not they don't deal with it because there you don't see it in the book Yeah no i. I assume it's makeup because it does mirror. Tattoos don't smear future tattoos smear. I don't know maybe this is like a moving tattoo. He's got also tattoos working expanse. But we have seen or maybe we had. I've seen someone re ripe spray painter. Ross non-picky by like dot matrix gun towards just magically appears almost like it's might be nanno reactive pickets or something. I've seen the same thing when they spray painted a remember the camp graffiti on station wall. It wasn't like banks e style templates and paint Yes i imagine like that kind of technology could probably you could probably do makeup and even tattoos pretty quickly and easily kind of like a leila dallas moldy pass little is scanner thing He's holed up your eyes end. I suggest that the running makeup when she's crying is Our twenty first century limitations of of tattoo makeup technology shares. I think to be like that kind of like it's. It's my idea for these these tattoos as their permanent. In that way that they're not gonna change like you can't scrub them off but you could go and have them reassembled with the same to put them on. But it's a shame that really reduces the beltre's bad ass in my eyes because if you could just get a tattoo like spray painted on in five seconds by some some dude wherever you want like if you can do it yourself in the mirror in the morning give yourself random. Tattoos is not nearly as bad as as like. I don't know haven't the bottle of ink that you dip the the when you're hitting with the little hammer right like the story stuff. It's right yeah. Come on beltre's. they'll take the easy way drummer. The drummer would say. It's not my tattoos intimidate people. It's my fist and my torpedoes. I do the tattoos for me. Let's talk off and the goal the gold because they don't know that yet. Yeah yeah In dominguez says having watched we watched episode five. Oh five late season five episode five. I spotted that when naomi strikes down sin her knife falls to the ground. It looks like philip had notice and confiscated but still had an idea of what she wanted to do tomorrow. otherwise after watching a rwasa first three episodes of that in the later book knowledge. Here's my okay. Hold on a second. Let's let's This thing. I didn't either and like but the rest of the community convinced me of your way of viewing things during their most recent. Watch party on scifi sunday at twitch dot tv slash ball move at eight pm every eastern getting that getting that i mean it's a fucking expanse live. Watch you guys wanna know about it or not. We're doing them okay. To kind of popular people are showing up digging it. But i like the fourth time i've seen that episode and i you guys kind of walk me through the beats. I'm like okay yeah i. I didn't consider that when phillips said i'd saved your life he was talking about taking her off the ship with him right because she would be on the rosinante day getting blown up instead of saving them. An amount connects the dots to which makes me think that. That's that's the thing that really sold at that like. That's an interpretation that fits in also her realizing the full impact of what he was saying and desperation to get in touch with withholding. So the warner about this appetizer warned him about sabotage so I agree. I think i think i just got that. Wrong Yeah so. I subscribe to that. Gary says just one comment on something. You brought up as a possibility in the podcast episode. Five of the expansive suite y'all postulated that given the show might be setting up bulls replacement pilot for alex going this season six possibly beyond I don't think the sending a bull as a pile is intentional. As a season of the expanse was fully written shopping allegations against kassian bar brought life. I agree that i do. I don't think it was intentioned. I think it's something they could definitely do. someone who's read all the novels novello as a straightforward recasts. Alex would be my preferred option but having bull step into those shoes would actually work for me as well. That after drastically develop his character and season six To develop his relationship the rawson rossy crew to make bull. Taking some of alex plot beats later novels. Have the same impact i mean. Yeah obviously like you. Can't bulls not the guy who went through all this shit with the crew so like you would have to find a way to forge connections really quickly. But i think it's doable. And sodas Gary here says it certainly doable. Bolivia great character to have to do that with. If that's a raft. Writers go fully on board Yeah the seem to be kind of some excitement and consensus building to where if you have to have a pipe for the rossi One apple and i do think it makes a lot of sense dated his day in the sun because i feel like he got shafted in earlier seasons where he got cut out specifically season three so yeah yeah And then he bust my balls a bit with the ps rest in peace ocho cinco from six time pro bowl wide receiver all time leader the belt and then he'll be missed. This is because i called. Chad coleman chad johnson. And it's funny because there's a whole bunch in chattering alive. Wasser is a whole bunch of like ocho cinco rest in peace. And i'm like i didn't get the joke because there's all kind of goes by too fast but then i realized i fucking did in iran so catch you. Thank you for that gary. Von scott have a small point in your part of episode. Five say the other god. The other guard shoots tiny. You didn't mention. Is the female guard. Who used the dead guard's hand to shoot. The bio metrically controlled pistol a small point but since the show went to trouble that no one else can use the guard's gun. It was a practical detail. That's cool because something like celine even mentioned we're watching. Why new why wouldn't you just take the gun and shoot him. It's like it's gotta to be harder. And i'm like i don't know it's a split second. The guy had. Rigor mortis so whatever but yeah no. That's a way cooler. Call back to like she couldn't have taken the guy's gun and shot It's surprising to me that they wouldn't have everybody on file for our gal all the guards. I was allowed to say that the like any guard is authorized. Use any other guards weapon. You would think. That'd be the case. But i mean look in in my effort to concisely recap things i gloss over a lot like. It's not if you wanted to point everything that gloss over during a concise summary. We'd be all day. So yeah that's that's that's what the podcast is for. So that's the feedback is for. 'cause i didn't i didn't pick it up. I thought it's a cool detail Let's see chris. Really enjoy your podcast. You mentioned that you liked the tony or tiny slash cone. Check actor a cognac Boomer phillips he played a character in another show. I watch letter kinney on hulu. If you're not feeling at the show it's worth checking out. His character is a hockey player named boomtown and season three. I i made it. Yeah i actually had someone suggested started watching. Letterkenny and i made it like two or three episodes. I liked it i. I didn't go away from. Because i hated it. I just like i. I ran out of time but yeah i i i do. Maybe i can see tiny again in season three. The guy's name is boomer. He plays a character named boomtown. Like win okay. Boomer was a really popular thing to say. Was his life just hell. Oh it had to be the had to have been. There's no like everyone named karen right now. Going that right chad. boomer were. Rumor is boomer phillips. Yeah it's it's it's. It's tough. Although i got i don't know like is it bad to have a mean based on how like desirable yard to woman women and how masculine attractive you are. I guess it's rough being a chad. It's so right otherwise yeah otherwise. Yeah Mike from spokane says i just listened to latest episode of For which weight. I just listened to the latest episode. Which wraps owed five. And you're theorising the mutual benefit of what appears to be the relationship between portions of the martian military at a narrow satisfaction. This has been a yeah. I talk about this. I don't understand why mars would give all these powerful shit star ships through the belts like you're the corrupt is faulk or your trueblue martian. Those things don't seem to line up you know In previous episodes they mentioned the martian parliament was bombed that. But they haven't said more about that means. The martian government self has been decapitated that were the case or is severely weakened it would provide someone like admiral Salvatore to step in and take emergency control with broad support from the martian navy essentially a coup with earth in completely devastated position and oros conspiring with admiral. S salvatore. my theory is that the admiral wants mars to focus on mars and condensed tara forming the quote unquote promise of mars They elaborate seeing so many flee the red planet for the ring world is probably gut wrenching for patriot. Like him. a narrow care less about what mars do on its What mars does on its planet and by accepting martian technology shifts. He can essentially block aid. The ring worlds together or destroy ships headed for the gate slash completely. Halt the exodus of martians heading for new worlds as an alliance of mutual benefit. This makes a lotta sense. Someone else Which i cut. Because i wanted to talk about this and this email Mentioned that maybe. Use the promo for the same thing that like if you if you sent promo culet through all thousand gates to all thousand worlds in activated. It made him uninhabitable than the martians would have to go back to tariff farming Tariff arman tariff warming mars At what cost man can worlds to preserve your homeland. I guess a fanatic might see benefits on like or not even like. There's certainly generals in america's history during the cold war that would be more than willing to push the button against russia. Even though that would almost certainly devastate earth and it would make life hard for everybody. But they would do it because they believe in the cause and we know. The mars has had a lot of pointed guns right at earth's head in the form of leg planet killer missiles an atomic weapons and stealth first-strike technologies so. I think that this you know this guy has got blue dust. More dust his blood or veins and blood maybe he would accept like killing earth to get an and shutting off the stars to humanity to make mars mars. The did fulfill the dream of mars. yes interesting. I don't recall them doing much With the martians in the book. I know there. There is martian belter Martian marco collaboration to some degree but they don't really go super deep into it here. What salvator they've done more. They've done in the books. And i'm really interested to see how that goes especially given his his speech you know about. Yeah in the preserving that martian ideal in the ring gates he specifically mentions them as a choke point like he. I don't know what the attack looks like on mars and we haven't seen that yet. But i'm hoping eventually we get around to weather. The weather this guy survived it Yeah of. Because if he's part of like giving marco wins and ships probably like that's the only guy up there to even get a ship tomorrow. his his involvement could be could be a lot greater than we we think They also wrap up with like. I didn't buy the line from a narrow sa- He gives naomi about the belt. There's not having anything to gain from the ring worlds because it wreaks havoc on them physically isn't of science or china science on this but every planetary bodies at different level of gravity. surely there's some plants that developers would find perhaps uncomfortable at first but eventually adapt to the point. Because like sin said like the problem is if beltre's adapt to the planet's they're not beltre's anymore and that will destroy them the the what what what makes them special you know. And obviously what makes him specials worth fighting for. They wouldn't mind getting killed by enters. You know so. I think it's look it's gad not that they don't think the beltre's can adapt to the planet but just turn into well walla's a no longer belt a lotta. I'd be interested to see how many hundreds of years it takes for that system to entirely change like once you're out from under the thumb of the belt or of the inner like you're gonna want the comfort the safety the security of most people landing right of a gravity well of an atmosphere like it makes sense to live entirely in space term. So yeah you know. Those ideals will change. It's just the right now. The beltre's have that that cultural not necessarily indoctrination. It's just how they live like that will fade. We'll makes me think of like the celts The you know the barbarians fighting rome like two hundred years after rome conquered them. They're wearing togas and put up marble columns and probably pretty happy about the situation but those old germanic tribes. That's what they feared like. They didn't want their people wear tunics and put marble statues and worship and martian gods or roman gods rather right like that's like they didn't that's There's there's there's genocide there's cultural genocide they're not you know and yeah that's an that's an open question like if those people were better off hundreds years in the future that it make it right to conquer them in the first place Was there other ways to do that. Should you let them determine this. Lots of interesting sociological questions k. I'll get to kind of Metabolic questions consider Nothing about the actual plop it just about the adaptation in the enjoyment thereof I mike from sydney at the season. Four last year been expand series of books and after watching the first three episodes of season. Five have been pleasant. Surprise at the way they've streamlined. The plot to avoid the need for excessive exposition thankfully. No sex position. The god knows it could have fitted in. There's a lot a lot riding. Belter bodies knows i three episodes. I'm all of exposition. Come on i o mind sex business too much. I think it can get distracting and kind of garish. We've covered shows the do it exactly but the But my continues. It seems like they've consciously deviated from the books enough to be to make it. Its own story. I love to get your thoughts on whether you think. Tv series that make a clear distinction or to deviate works Better than those that simply attempt to convince i for one enjoy getting essentially another story from the same world and avoids. The book is better than the movie argument. I'd also love to hear reflections. Blokes were deep into the sci-fi a of the realism aspect. How the laws of physics still apply. There isn't just a gravity module and hyper speed drives a magic way. The problem space do you think films and shows like star trek and star wars could have worked with a similar level of realism injected. Let's consider these as two separate topics. I d any thoughts about tv or movies. At like like how faithful they are versus convincing versus changing. I feel like. I've seen all of them work in various degrees. Like i've seen like pitch perfect adaptations. I've seen ones that. Change everything I've seen ones that. Keep the basic plot points but then shortchange and shortcut characters and stuff. What do you think i. I think you've kinda just pointed out the truth of it. Which is that. it doesn't matter it's really just about how good is the thing they're creating you know I've i've enjoyed like you said things that are exactly like a book And i've enjoyed things the deviate a little bit The expanse has been doing a phenomenal job. In my opinion of fleshing things out in correcting may be minor mistakes for the books and doing it on really what is a condensed budget of time. Right like they've got a certain number of episodes per season and they really got to slam on the gas to get through these really thick books like these books are five hundred plus page monsters To do that requires certain amount of re positioning of people and characters and plotlines and they've done a great job in my opinion. Yeah i mean i. I've only read the books that i've read. But i'm always amazed at how like when i watched the series i and then they go back and read. The book corresponds with that. And i'm always surprised at how much i get out of the read. Not just like filling in like never plot holes deeper understanding of why people are doing things and like also like what the hell is going on. Because i was expecting this person. Do that thing. And they're not doing that. Thing at all or they may not even exist or they might be a different person Yeah i think that That works really well other doing like some weird companion piece type stuff. 'cause i almost view these as like feeding back into each other because when i go and i watched the series i see them kind of blending plots and changing characters to to fit a condensed time frame in the show and then i go when i read the book. Yes i do feel like. I'm getting inside the heads of the characters a little bit more. But i'm also taking the knowledge that i've got from the books and from the show and in filling in a little bit more of the characters were doing because they don't always spell it out perfectly the books either right. It's like like i said there's this clarence miss stuff. I don't recall it being this deep and interesting with amos questioning by a monster like the melba doing all this stuff to label in that like. I don't remember that stuff being in there. Maybe it was. And i missed it but that deepens the experience of reading the books too. So it's like this feedback loop which is really working. I think is cool to dan and tie seem like they also are open to change things in the previous season and because he i think he might be right those. I've read them. But those amos and claire scenes might be deeper because claire was a more developed character in the series. And they're like oh well. They had this and they did that. And there's that moment between her and amos and we can build like they're not. They're not limiting themselves by their own. They have a great story. They're very confident in and know that that story doesn't necessarily have to take the shape that it did and i also think that like since two authors i bet. There's some were like dan. Dan and i have like a row shambo about like you know what happens and then in the series like they're like you know what let's try your thing like there's all kinds of ways you can you know when it's not just a singular person doing it. There's all kinds of ways you can bounce ideas. And i think it works really well because i again. I've seen it. I've at this point. I've seen all kinds of different adaptations. I've seen just straight up one for one which works if you've got the time like if you got a twelve episode. Hbo series. You can tell a single book in you do damn fine job just telling that god damn story. I've seen where they just like. They treat their source material like jukebox. Like the master and commander phil perfect example. Ten brilliant scenes that are right from the book. They're just from seven different books. That are not connected in time or space at all and that can work. And i've also seen where they just take the basic characters concept. And then you know do it and it's it's you. Can you can do a bad job of slavishly adapting material. You can do a bad job of twisting and shaping material and you can do a good job and i think that yeah. It's it's it's kind of cliche to say but like yeah do it good. Don't do the sake way is due to good life. What do you think about the idea of like the scientific realism and expanse. Like would star trek and star wars work. I start wars absolutely would not because it's fantasy right. I mean the force and then yeah just like you don't wanna have to deal with that baggage in star wars only drag the thing down. I think but yeah like star trek. I know because star. Trek is also one of the things where like. They're not like the scifi. Trappings are there because they were writing in the scifi genre. What they're really trying to do though is give you some lessons right. Give you some moral teachings That's what star. Trek is really trying to do. So i don't know if it would way down. It is a real problem is yeah you might not on more going. I couldn't do as as realistic or cool of sci-fi stuff as i wanted in star treks of. Let's do this battle star could be Because i i think that like i think we're a little cheating because like if you don't want to tell a story of mankind spanning the galaxy you are stuck in the solar system you just are You might send a generational ship like the navajo. Some points unknown. But you're not gonna you're gonna take light years for you to hear back from what happened to them. You're not gonna. they're no longer a part of your society. It's much like going and sail into an unknown continent back in the day the expanse has its cake and eat it too because they introduced this fantastically advanced species. That can you talk about obeying the laws of physics they can fuck and cancelled fusion orbital radius of the planet. And they're gone and dead and we're just playing with their toys. So we can have the star spanning humanity without in warp drive in that. But it's it's kind of. It's the same thing like the expanse is discovering the star wars universe after they're dead and gone kind of like so and it's fantasy in its own way right. It's it's science that so far beyond that it's magic Rights promo everything pro molecule like everything terron. Martian belter is very grounded and realistic and gritty. Everything pro molecule beyond is like. Yeah it's magic thousand movie magic right. It's it's the faster than light. Travel the warp speed nine point. Whatever in in the form of ring gate right that can then take us to illness. In a matter of months. Instead of hundreds of years donaldson the first three episodes have been fun. And i'm enjoying being back in the world. The expanse again the showrunner still remember the little things like seeing holden still have to use his radiation meds. After all this time. It's nice touch wanted. Ask jim adding read. The books made watching a show experience worse. I have read up the book six. I think it's impacting my viewing experience. I find myself thinking about what is about to happen instead of being in the moment and enjoying it It sounds that sounds like something that can happen. What what's your experience jim. Mine spirits is like looking at those things and going okay. How are they going to twist this. Because i know all the pieces aren't exactly lined up The way they are in the books. And and i'm watching now with with like you know. Macro scale knowledge but the micro scale of the stories are telling our chest as intriguing as day. One of of the book read to me. 'cause they're different so different and i know like Living in the moment be is is is kind of like a a life practice. You have to 'cause like i you might find yourself getting caught up in real life with expectations of them fucking with you and being unable to enjoy the thing that's actually happening in your so taught Kind of caught up in the thing that you wanted or expected to happen. Maybe it's better. Maybe it's worse but you're missing it. 'cause your expectations are linked up. So it's like. I don't know it's beyond the scope of this podcast to talk about how you Habit cultivate what they call presence. You know One weird a could be act. Come on the speaking to three right. Turns one weird trick the other show. I do We talk about stuff like but it's I mean. I've i've never felt that but it's usually win. It's an a bad adaptation And it's it's i. I don't think it's also beyond the pale for some of the. Thank the expanses about adaptation. That's a outside clearly. The mainstream opinion but i can see like if you really had like If you're like a a naomi fan. I don't think they did a very good job by naomi for naomi in the first three seasons but actually doing a better job with her now like that's they are. Yeah but of. Naomi was your favourite carrington expanse. And you got three seasons in and like you know what they're just may she's the fucking ron. Weasley this joint. She's always the blame. She's always one causing conflict to she. Just shut up and trust you and you'd have a point that's not in the books like naomi's much more if anything. Holden is the one. That's kind of every fucking everybody's life up So i e i can. I can definitely see people being unhappy with certain aspects of this adaptation You know again. it's outside of it. I don't agree with it and it's outside of the what seems a mainstream fan experience but Sometimes when you're the you know everyone's ucf ryan side and join themselves and you're out in the cold Yeah i don't know let there be present it You go sit on a log. Degas and talk the iota for a while until you realize that she's got let go. Gotta you gotta turn the targeting computer and use the force donald. I'm definitely close. Zahn luc picard. Said you should use the. Maybe that'll help. You detach a bit buddy. I'm definitely closer to the last thing you said which is like you feel like you're getting to two stories light. It's it's the this is the double mid gum double the pleasure. I i get to experience the the story twice from different angles. And i'm really loving that that. Which which counterstrike levity preferred does or dust to ensure the orig- alert that adaptation. They both have merits they do Thank thanks for that feedback. And all the feedback. It's it's it's nice You can send in those messages. To expansive all dot com. We'll be back next week to consider Episode seven until then Aron job see you later.

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Moving In Together, Stress-Free Moving Tips, Small Indulgences, and More Listener Questions

The Sunday Scaries Podcast

22:42 min | 2 weeks ago

Moving In Together, Stress-Free Moving Tips, Small Indulgences, and More Listener Questions

"My name's will to freeze and this. Sunday scary podcast. You are cure for the sunday blues if this week sounds a bit different because well it is If you're not familiar with my personal life which. I don't expect you to be all the time My wife and i welcomed our first child into the world on april twentieth of this year. Obviously and times been cut a little short so in the spirit of Doing an episode of listener questions. I decided not to script it as much as i usually do. And just kind of shoot from the hip so without further ado. Let's start with our first question. Do you have any moving tips to make things as stress-free as possible truth be told. I've actually moved a lot in my life. It's not like a military family kind of thing but it's more of just you know moving houses or just moving from places. I'm i'm pretty good at moving in the one thing that i know works the best and this is based on the last time that i moved which was two months ago is that you have to start packing earlier than you ever anticipated that you should the one thing that i always into whenever i pack is that i put it off. I think to myself you know. I've got plenty of time to do it. Why would i start now. If i can just do it the week of what i always find that the week of i ended up having a panic attack and reassessing. Why own so much crap and i ended up just freaking out another thing i always do is whenever i go to the new place. If it's somewhere that i can access whether it's a house that i've moved into an apartment or just a room that i have whenever i go over there i try to bring at least a small amount of stuff over there partially one to just get things out of my My old place and then also partially to just kind of make sure that my new place has something in there that inspires me to get excited about moving so whether it's just bringing over something to hang on the wall maybe a small piece of furniture just something. It's always nice to just kind of get the stuff into your place earlier than anticipated if you have the ability to do. So it's also a low rent mov- i can admit this but the trash bag method for clothes. Always works in a pinch. My wife would kill me. If she knew that i was recommending this to people but at the same time. Sometimes you just have to throw your t shirts in the things that aren't really meaningful to you into a big bag and just do away with it. You don't have to have those garment boxes that feel like it takes forever to move or pack again. It's it's a low red move. It's not exactly the most glamorous way of moving your stuff but if you're in a pension you're trying to get stuff off of your plate. Used the trash bag methods i will say. Sometimes it helps to double bag thing so it doesn't rip. And then all your t shirts get lost in a puddle somewhere but just make sure you do it and then the one thing that i will say that we do every single time because it's a necessity and i don't own. A truck is to hire a movers every single time. I always hire movers while ahead of time. Make sure that there's That everything's prepared for when they get there and it allows me to not have to worry about the big items. They always seem to wrap it for us or pat force properly and if they mess something up it's on them and at the end of the day if i can make sure that i don't have to ask my friend with a truck for help. Then everybody leaves happy our next question. What bottle of wine should i bring to dinner to meet my girlfriend's parents. This is the age old question. Not just to meet your girlfriend's parents but pretty much whenever you go over to someone's house for dinner an event a shower of some sort pretty much anything buying white wines always seems a bit risky for some reason because some people just don't like white wine and so i always go with the red and because you know there are a lot of different red styles out there. I always just go with the staples either a piano or cabernet. It's always a little nerve wracking to enter anywhere with a bottle especially if the parents high end taste and most of the time when you're meeting parents you know that they can probably afford something much nicer than you can. One time i went to a party and it was so intimidating and this was such a lame move by the person doing it. So i won't say who did it. But they were joking around with everybody and they were using the vino app. If you're not familiar with it it's a wine rating app and it allows you to see different ratings for different bottles of wine. It allows you to see if it was a good varietal or whatever that year if it's a good vintage whatever the terminology is and you can scan the label and it tells you everything you need to know. And the person who was hosting the party was jokingly scanning the bottles of wine and messing with people saying like. Oh okay so you brought over a ten dollar one and you brought over thirty five dollar one. It was so intimidating to set my bottle of wine down. Because i knew that i should have spent more than twelve dollars on that bottle of wine and ever since then i always try to bring something a little bit more expensive in the twenty eight or twenty to thirty dollar range. I always go with the bottle of decoy cabernet to bring places. It's around twenty dollars these days. It used to be a lot more or not a lot more like twenty seven dollars but it's cheaper than it used to be. It's also produced by duck horn which is a reputable vineyard in napa. Or saint helena wherever you however you want to refer to those places and the labels classy enough that old people enjoy. Just gotta duck on it. And i've always heard people. Tell me that when it comes to decoy it's a very serviceable lower. End version of their regular duck horn wine and so people. If you just kind of insert that knowledge in there. I think people will be happy our next question. I'm moving in with my significant other for the first time. Any tips or advice so we don't kill each other well. This is always a scary time for numerous reasons. It's most of the time if you have a year long lease or maybe a fifteen month lease or eighteen months. Whatever it is. It's a long commitment and you know that you have to fulfil that commitment unless things really sour that just creates another layer of pressure for you. And there's really no escape plan if things don't go well in that long period of time truth be told. I didn't move in with my now wife until we were three years into our relationship. It seems like a long time. And i don't think everyone should wait that long. But the reason we did was purely circumstantial. We didn't really have the opportunity to move in because whether it was my job or whether it was her going back to school or whatever have you we just. It took three years and i think a lot of couples are much more ready to move in before three years. So i don't think that's a good benchmark for it but what you have to do is you have to determine what's important to you around the place in order to make sure that you guys don't kill each other when it comes to chores and you just make sure that you do those things yourself or express early on how important it is for you to do that. If something bothers you you have to mention it early. So it doesn't build up the frustration. Certain things that come to mind are like if you really hate dirty dishes being left in the sink Someone leaves the laundry in the washer dryer for too long. That's something that i'm guilty of. I always seem to make it to the drier. But then i kind of used the dryer as a makeshift drawer. Where i just pull stuff out of it every morning. After leading a run for about five minutes to d- wrinkle could be something like making the bed. But whatever you do you just have to make sure to hold up your end of the bargain. And i promise everything will be just fine and outside of that you know living together. It's it's pretty joyful but you just have to make sure that that you don't kill each other over the small things and let that resentment build up but where we do some more questions. Let's hear from this week sponsor caliber. Cbd when it comes to my life if you listen to this podcast cd something that i've never really strayed away from It gives me an overall sense of calm. It helped me with soreness that i get from poor form. When i'm working out. It helps me fall asleep pretty easily and overall it. Just kind of makes me feel feel better. Caliber is one of the easiest. Cbd's to us and it's so enjoyable. It's impacted my life positively because made easier to take cbd. And i don't have to worry about doing those droplets on my mouth and holding it underneath my tongue. What caliber cowper does is that. It mixes into water and it's clinically proven to be faster acting. 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That's try caliber dot com slash scares. Don't forget promo code scares for twenty percent off of your order. Let's get into our next questions. What are your favorite fragrances for men. Honestly i don't wear a lot of fragrances. It's not something that i've ever really taken to. And if if i do wear something. It's really i special occasion whether it's a wedding date night or just any time that i want to feel extra dressed up or snazzy that's when i kind of mixed things in Working at my old retail job. I had cheap access to some really nice samples and there are a lot of times when i would just grab a sample use it for an extended period of time. Because i didn't use it all. That often and i enjoyed that. The one that i liked the most was a company called aqua diploma. It's an italian company. it's pretty expensive. And so i would recommend that if you can get your hands on it. Just go to like nordstrom or something and get a sample and try to make that sample. Go as long as you possibly can. All their sensor very classic. They remind me of my parents getting ready as a kid which has always been a nostalgic thing that i really enjoy and they have a lot of different sense. They've got classics. Which are you know just things that you would expect out of a high end fragrance retailer. They also have their blue mediterranean line. Which is a little more. I don't wanna say it's like more fruity but it's got Tones of like fruits and different smells that you would associate with nature They come in a lot of different forms. They have colognes body lotions. Shampoos and body washes shaving creams. They even have scented candles diffusers. Which i know aren't really sense for your body. But they do have those. I like using things that aren't cologne. So i get the sent on my person. But i'm not overpowering or intimidating when around other people. I think a big issue with people using cologne is that a lot of times they just layer it on and it's it just doesn't really work and so because of that i've always liked using a body lotion or even just a a wash in the shower that i only use on special occasions and like i said is an expensive. So maybe just go to nordstrom and try to score some samples before you go all in on doing something like that Next question yay or nay being friends with an ex to be honest this always feels like a dicey proposition to me. I've maintained loose friendships with certain axes. And then i have other axes but it's not out of spite or anything it's just you know. Why would i talk to my more relationship. When i say hi when i see them but i don't really keep in touch or text with them or check up on them ever One time i actually did get invited to a friend of mine. Who was an accident in high school. I got invited to her wedding. It was great and you know some people were like. Oh that can be awkward to be honest. It wasn't really that awkward. I think the most awkward thing was was her mom's staring at me and wondering why the hell i was there but overall she wanted me there and she sent me the invite and i accepted it so i went and i want the best. I wanted the best. So i i went and i wish you the best. I will say though if you're trying to remain friends with is there are some red flags that you want to avoid because you're gonna piss off people in in your present day life your future life if you don't One of those. If you're doing it just because you still want to be with them. I mean if you're still keeping in contact and trying to be friendly with them because you don't want that relationship to end you might need to understand that the ship has sailed if it stopping you from being successful and other relationships you kinda need to maybe cool the jets a little bit and most of all this is. The biggest red flag is if you're keeping in touch with them and infant noise your current significant other even if your current boyfriend or girlfriend says that doesn't bother them. There's probably a part of them that would be bothered if they saw you sitting in bed at ten thirty at night. Just texting with them while you're supposed to be watching netflix. Show with them. It's just not a good look for anybody involved. The resentment will be there and you should probably just avoided all cost. They are your for a reason so just don't latch onto the relationship. If you don't have to it'll make everyone's life easier and there's there's something to be said about being friendly without being you know overly invested in something and i think there's a balance there that we can all strive for our next question. What are your power rankings. For the sunday scary valla box scented candles. If you're not familiar with the scented candles broadcast. I've been working valla box for the past year half year. Whatever it may be on doing some scented candles for this podcast. It's one of my favorite things to do. I've really enjoyed working with the ballot box. It's been so enjoyable and i. I've always thought that the reason i like doing these collaborations is because i always liked the idea of being able to create something myself that i can end up using rather than going and buying something from someone else if i can tailor something specifically to my needs i will do that and i luckily i have a platform where i can also sell those things other people choosing my favorite of these is kind of choosing which one of your kids is your favorite. I don't actually have a favor of the bunch and they all have different purposes for me. Honestly sunday scary. We'll start with that one. Since that was the trademark sent its woodsy classic and it's the candle most excited about because if the candle i'm likely to burn the most. I think it's pretty universal. I always pretty much have one burning around the house every evening at this point and it's really my everyday candle. It's a sense that i really enjoy. It's not overpowering. It's neither to to woodsy or too bland. It's really a good balance in so if you're looking for just in everyday candle that's the one for you the other one. That's very popular. I mean they're all pretty popular. Is panic room. It is probably the most popular overall sent from the from the launch overall The feedback regarding that sent has been nothing but great from listeners and again it's kind of like sunday scary. It's it's a bit woodsy but it's a little more fresh. And so i think it's really good for like a living room or i don't know guest bedroom or something like that i. I know it's called panic room so maybe it should be in the bedroom. But it's just kind of the perfect perfect sent to have somewhere and not impose too much on somebody. Our next one is the two day hangover which is more herbal in citrusy. It's much different from the other two. It's the most popular stellar from the last drop so far and this is for those times when i kinda wanna to channel being in like a spa or something i really enjoy pampering myself when it comes to taking showers or spending time in the bathroom just doing whatever and this two day hangover. Candle was the inspiration behind. It was really just being at a spa. This spa that i was referencing in my head. The entire time was the one that i spent some time. In at my wedding at the resort that we stayed at. And the entire time i just wanted eucalyptus and things like that in the senate and so i really do like burning it in our bathroom or bedroom the entire time when i'm wearing a robe and maybe just got out of the shower and feel super clean. It's the reason for two day hangovers. This because sometimes you just need to rinse yourself of all the bad things that you did on that second day and just get rid of it. And so if i can channel that spot energy with the hangover and so be it perfect and then the final was romcom. It's autumn e but not super masculine. And i'm super attached to the senate and i was most excited about this one on the re release of everything it's also my wife's favorite. It has christmas vibe to it which is both good and bad. It's bad when it's springtime right now and like people don't necessarily want that but it's also great because i it kind of reminds me of christmas time that i really cherish being in without being blatantly christmas. It doesn't just smell like a frazier for christmas tree or something. But overall i wouldn't have done any of these if i didn't love them and so i really just have different purposes for each of them and yes they are still available at value. Dot com slash. 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It's it's their games that you can play without having to sacrifice putting your drink down and getting all sweaty and board and my ranking went as follows the first one or the i guess the last one on the list was horseshoes. No plays horseshoes anymore. It's a lane game it's terrible. It's clunky it's outdated and there's other games that have the same purpose in the same premise. That you can do that are just much better net leads me to cornhole. I think part of the reason that cornhole is so far down on this list is because it's so overrated by pretty much everybody. I remember way back in the day this was like i don't know when i was like just out of high school. In in the mid west cornhole was all the rage I think i'm just tired of it. I think i'm just tired of playing for the last fifteen years and i think it's time for me to move on it kinda got replaced in my in my repertoire with ladders which is in the same league as cornhole it's a classic but again i'm kind of over it because everyone's been playing it for so long in the new newer game category. There's can jam it's newer than the others. It's a little bit more aggressive but it's phenomenal. It's really fun. You can have two man teams two person teams and it's just a great time. It's a little more aggressive than the other ones when it comes to swatting the the frisbee down or catching the frisbee. Whatever it may be. But i think the the the heightened i don't even know what the word is the heightened. Whatever it's it makes it more fun. And then we have two more classic ones that are actually more classic than cornhole ladders and horseshoes. We've got botchy ball which is sneaky fund for me and it's perfect for socializing rather than being competitive you just kinda standing there throwing a ball on the lawn. It's the old man game that you always see Photos on people's mood boards on instagram. Playing all the time but my favorite all time. One is definitely croquet. I played every time i go home. And see my friends. And it's an unrivalled classic. It's the kind of game or anybody can win. It does take some skill but if you just kind of all team up in screw over one person. That's the best anyone's got a shot and so croquet. I know it's not the popular choice but for me pound for pound. I think it's the best one for a low key. Social sunday that this person asked and then this week let's answer a question a little bit differently than the other ones did script this one because it was so long but the question was what are some of your small joys the little glimmers of happiness even create for yourself and enjoy. I absolutely love this question so instead of explaining each one. I'm just going to read the list without further comment on them. Let's begin a warm cup of coffee walking my dog by the water. Stout glass of red wine the hub of a soccer game on tv on a saturday morning. A good blanket patios both rooftop and ground level the sound of waves crashing beaches in front of dense forests. Harmonica topaz a roomy t shirt on a sunday afternoon. Throw pillows center candles doughy chocolate chip cookies unique rocks from the beach. Messy oil paintings. Newspapers a well-timed martini. Dirty pairs advance the sound of rain on the window. A good hand wash steam showers comfortable lounge chairs. Eating alfresco wearing sweatshirts shorts wearing socks with sandals fully charged devices forest green and tan paired together new yorker cartoons instagram mood boards pasta ceramic mugs dense scones large ice waters. Wax jackets scotch with a little. Bit of ice melted fireplaces fires on the beach. The smell of snuffed candles bouquets of flowers wrapped in paper jazz playlists nubby fleece a well manicured lawn bowls of pistachios deep couches in a mid afternoon. Boredom beer which i have to say sounds pretty darn good right now so i think i might go have one if you liked to. You heard today to subscribe review or tell a friend in need about this podcast. By subscribing guarantee that episode gets directly your phone every sunday morning you can also follow along on twitter at sunday. Scariest and instagram. Which is at sunday dot scares or you can follow me. Both on twitter at scramble to freeze and remember always trim the wicks under scented candles six sunday.

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Messaging Pitfalls with Jimmy Bogard

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Messaging Pitfalls with Jimmy Bogard

"Hey, this is Carl Franklin and this is Richard Campbell. And we're excited to be hosting the dot net developer days conference in Warsaw Poland October twenty third through the twenty fifth dot net. Developer days is one of the largest events in central and eastern Europe dedicated to application development on the platform. We'll be recording a number of dot net. Rocks episodes from the conference. Plus, we'll be hanging out with you so registered today at net dot developer days dot PL. And we'll see you there. Welcome back to dot net rocks. This is Carl Franklin. And this is Richard cattle and man. It's just getting warm over here in Connecticut. Now, just getting warm. I don't understand. That's leeann a late spring for you. Yeah. It's been a late spring. That happens. How's the how's the coastal Vancouver, clearing doesn't suck? My friend didn't have sitting on the ocean every day writing has been very enjoyable. Of course conferences in his upon us. So this is gonna stop for a while. But so my doctor convinced my wife to eat the first she's ever eaten yesterday now take some convincing the first person ever, you'd always taken a flier right now. This is she's fifty one years old. I'm sorry, Kelly, but, you know. Never lived grew up in mystic. Connecticut, like, you know seafood countries Donington seafood country, like this is where all the stuff comes from. And, you know, we're sitting out in by the water, beautiful restaurant and Westbrook, Connecticut. And, and, and she's like, oh, that's disgusting. He says, how much would I have to pay you for you to eat annoys it? She says ten thousand dollars. He says, how about fifty bucks? She says, okay. We have video of her choking, down annoys took her three times three tries, but. I was like, damn, I mean, all I gotta do is offer fifty bucks for, you know stuff. She doesn't want to do, and that's it. And you got magic magic mad skills. Anyway, so I got something very cool and very appropriate for today show for better no framework, Sorolla crazy music awesome. Art did man that music really is crazy. Isn't it? It is great. But if we ever changed we'd get crucified, no people love it. And, and I know I know in some ways it annoys you that some of the silliest things you've ever done while, you know. Yeah, you're worms are ear worms where you're gonna do. Okay. What are you gonna do? So. This is an article that came out in may like may fifth of this year. So must be a pretty new feature. Aunt. Yeah, but I don't know exactly when it was introduced. So this is immutable storage for Azure blob storage. Wow. Right. So with blob storage, you know, you can write two blobs. And if you write a blog that are exists over rights, the existing blob so you can update it and you can delete them and all that stuff. So with this policy in place, and you just do it in the portal. It's very simple. Or of course, you know, in the, in the manager, you just basically can write and read, but you can't modify or delete interesting. And so that's really cool. Because, you know, if you have like financial institutions that are medical records, things that can only be appended, you know, that sort of data source. Idea. Yeah. Then then you can do it and it's pretty easy. I, I set it up. I set the policy and there's two ways that you can do it. You can use a time based retention policy support, so you can store data for a specified interval. So it's essentially right, only for that particular time period, and after the retention, period is expired, blobs can be deleted. But they can't be overwritten so, and then you have this legal hold policy support. So that's kind of, like, if you don't have a interval that, you know, it's not known you can manage it yourself by sending a legal hold to set that immutability until the hold is cleared. And when it set blobs can be created in red, but not modified deleted, and you can use tags to, to set those things. So it's pretty cool, and it's very easy. And I just did a, a sample demo to, to. You know, prove that it works as advertised and it works great. And he basically tried to update a blob or delete a blob, and it says, no that would violate a policy sorry exception, and the I love the idea that even after the Paul the hold is done. You can never modify it. You can only delete it right so against days because why would you ever modify it? It's, it's some source of truth, whatever that may be. That's right. You can't modify it. You just add another one, you say this update that one, you know, that's the insert only the journaling method. Yep. Cool. Cool. Nice one. Yep. So that's what I got who's talking to us today. Richard grabbed comment offer show twelve of forty one which we did with one Jimmy Bogart back in January of two thousand sixteen are we're talking about mature open source projects, because let's face it, Jimmy is a mature open source. He's probably the most mature. And this is three years ago. So the common is also three years. Goes through Brendan Parker who says as you guys discussed, I think the best contributor to an open source project is someone who is actively using the project might typical pattern when needing a new feature from an open source project, typically wanted to get hub, he's check other people's forks out there. This even anyone else's added. A similar feature. I've knows such code exists. I'll fork the project admi- feature, and then at a pull request of the main repo in my code reference. My fork. This allows me to go about my business of leveraging the original source with my added feature. I don't have to put my project on hold while I sit around and wait for the maintainers to even acknowledge my Bullard west or go back and forth, reviewing, code, and making adjustments to meet the maintainers requirements which I'm not against. It's just I wanna go fast in the end, it makes no difference to me, if the pull requests denied or rejected if it is sensible and desirable feature in the maintainers can add it and I can remove my reference to the four. Point back to the main repo over the maintainers doesn't want it. Others are free to use by four which this is an interesting conversation around the culture of open source where you can go in different directions. And to my only concern with Brennan's approach here is what happens if the version. That's Dopp did that goes into the PR, the main branch isn't quite the same as zone that you're gonna see stuck on his own four could lose out on all the all the other contributions. The as you're gonna make the adaptation to go back to that primary version, my at it is interesting just to think, in terms of leaving forks out there, because people may value those variations, and he goes on to say finally, another thought that came to mind were listen to this documentation is often source controlled either two separate repo, or right in the main repo and a good way to contribute to projects where you might not be technically up to speed yet, is to contribute to the documentation. Right. Absolutely. Which, and I think the most powerful force on this one is at that. That moment while you're learning a project before you fully understand it. You arguably can write the best documentation, because you still remember not understanding it. So your method of learning it in explaining it if you can capture that you can write docks that people who know the project can't right. 'cause they forget what they don't know. So I think it's a really powerful contribution and also a great way to learn a project. Yep. Great superindent. Thank you so much for your comment at copies Toco buys on its way to you. And if you'd like copies to co by write a comment on the website at dot net. Rockstar com or via social media. We publish every show to Facebook and he comment there and we read it on the show will set you copies to go by and definitely follow us on Twitter. I'm at Carl Franklin. He's at rich Campbell. Send us a tweet because, you know, tweets are forever. Was forever. Diamonds, were originally forever, and get up is forever and sewer tweets actually. Yeah, you can delete him. But you can't modify. It's right. You can delete tweets. I never do that. I think that's kind of, like you know, Oops, I didn't mean. St. has been deleted. Yeah. Right. Come on. Really? All right. So let's bring back Jimmy Bogart. He is the chief architect at head spring, a software consultancy based out of Austin, Texas, where he tries not to melt eight months out of the year. He is an author blogger speaker and creator of several open source, libraries, including auto map, and mediator. That's MED A T are welcome back. Jimmy. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Thanks for being here. I am. I got to talking to you on the last place, we were in this world. And in Minnesota, I think it was and. And talking about messaging and sort of pitfalls and things, and I thought it would make a great show, especially because I'm up to my eyeballs and messaging right now. So I have a personal vested interest in sort of picking your brain and trying to figure out what a what the messaging pitfalls are. We, we did this epic show with Clements fasters on sort of breaking down all the Azure products that have to do with messaging or a long long. It was a long episode, but it was so necessary because, you know, the hear about these things, and they all sound the same event, hub event, grid service, boss. You know, nobody really knows I appreciate the history of that is that they didn't set out to make all these products is like I made this one and then solved this problem, but it caused that problem. So they made another one in it fix that problem. But it causes new problem like the it just felt like the, the mortality of software right that we, we just keep on building solutions, and are presented with new classes. The problem each time, right? I basically that that was our assumption going in that these were all sort of different teams overlapping, you know, work, and which one, do you pick, you know, it's kind of like a try, but that's not the case he laid out, you know, the specific uses for why these are the reasons for why these things came into existence. So, so I appreciate that. And if we would encourage everybody before you listen to this show to go back and listen to Clemens show, and we will put the link in the show notes for that. But where do we start with messaging pitfalls may guess, I, I have to ask, do you need it? Do you need a, a messaging layer in between your front end in your back end or your multiple micro services? For a lot of systems be work with now because you think the, the normal traditional applications, as just your I've got a web app and a database. So, you know, I just hit the button, it updates something. The database me. Call today. It's my first real interaction with messaging was. When I had a system that there was no user interface. It was just like file processing all over the place. We were getting files from the front end system files from the back end mainframe system. And we were sort of the intermediary between those two with all the all the brains of being able to do something. And this was, this is a loyalty reward system. So think things like that spy rewards are things like that. You know you give me your Email address your address in exchange for points. They the know all the history of everything you've ever bought, but of a trade off, right. So you have these long running services that, you know, things are gonna take awhile. We need the things to queue up. And then we'll let you know when things are done that kind of stuff. Yeah. And the system started off not doing any kind of messaging whatsoever. Although I you, I guess, kind of think of those fought files kind of message. But it started off as just a ton of batch jobs. Kranji jobs using windows task azar to wake up. See if there were any files to process, process them, and then go back to sleep. And we saw this in, we're looking at getting close to a hundred different Krahn jobs. They're all waking up at various times of the day and trying to figure this. It's gotta be a better way for us to, to this, because managing the schedule of all these things and trying to scale them out, especially was really, really difficult. Instead, that was really my first really big Faure into building a messaging messaging base back in. So we were trying to eventually get to one that was a lot more reactive to notifications in things that were coming into our system, and also being able to separate, the, the sort of parsing of file versus the work of the file because we'd have things like one hundred thousand. File drop on us. And you know, the, the dumbest thing they capacity work, a for loop for each line, do the work, right. But if I get to line nine hundred ninety nine thousand it's something fails we'd have to process, the entire file all over again. If little things like that. Like, how can we improve the overall throughput and the overall reliability the system that was my really first big introduction everything up until that point was ROY just in a web apps with the database? I guess that's a really good use case for the, the idea that sometimes a Q just isn't enough. Right. You need to be able to manage things in and out of that queue. Right. I mean messaging is basically, you know, queuing is basically messaging when do you need all the extra features that, you know, the service bus has and all that other stuff that acu- just doesn't, yeah. So the, the first thing that we hit was, I want to try to break up the work into individuals for discrete units of work. So looking at a file, it say, well instead of just processing the whole file every single time you're on the job. And I break that up and say each, you know, each set of work to do is, is that one message to say, let's go send us off to some kind of processor to actually take take that set of work in the do something with it. Right. So that you really separated the, the like the munching defile with a rope business logic happen dealing with that file. Okay, great. Let's do that thing. And the very next thing you rented to okay so where do we put the work? How do we know if the work is done or not, how do we manage? Each individual set of work, how to scale that out. So the simplest thing that could possibly work is to use my favorite old friend, a sequel book poppy, which is an amazing tool. I don't know if you've ever used assurance of for sure, yes, is far the file into the database Ospel, one hundred thousand lines might take two seconds, just ridiculous. And on top of that. We'd have that elastic column in that table with all the stuff we pushed it within with a flag, that just says, is processed, right? So our, our database became our very first Q term. It turns out, they debases make really lousy dudes. It strikes me that what you were describing of that file was it, it was a kind of q to it had a bunch of things that needed to be done in it, and you just pick it up and put it in, in the database, so that you can process, a little better. Yeah. Exactly. We, we, we saw that as in our case it was flat files just delimited files, but it could have been x amount while, you know, we have an array of XML elements and we, we deal with that. But it was it was a list of messages delivered to us in. Zip file that we pulled off an FTP server that was secured about sides. I just which is really lousy cute. And then we stuck it on the database, which also turns out to be pretty lousy for queuing. If you just like we we'd have some other job, there was just looping over every five seconds. Right. King table at the do I have any records with is processed is false. And I go do something with them, right? Not the best now. Nothing. That's it were you recreating your own Q solution, yet that lasted about two weeks, I can? Okay. Now, you know, we just want reasons that you know what this is. This is much better for queuing system. This is about ten years ago. So she was like, as your service about stint exists, or anything like that, in Ayrshire, even things like rabbit him Q weren't really FANG actually, don't know if that's true or not. But it wasn't a thing for us at that time. So said, what is the thing that leads us to deal with each of these sets of work one piece of individual work at a time? And then us being on windows. We saw that MSN Q the Bilton queuing system. For windows was the was that very natural fit to say, let's break these pieces into bits of work, send that message onto the Q in it have something on the other side receiver that message and doing the discrete set of work. And then we try to use the API for Mexico and it's just a just pretty awful. It exists in as thing in dot net. But it's a wrapper on top of I, I don't even know underneath the covers, so that's really I can roll out a little history for you. If you like. Yeah. You know, I would love the. Mike Microsoft's MSM Q is implementation of IBM's m q series series right from like the eighties. Yeah. And it was built directly against windows, so the dot the dot net. Wrapper is a rapper over com. Calls down to the wind thirty two man like it's exactly the ugly a PI. You think it is that hurts my ears out? Thank the pants out a lot actually. Well, I'll include a link to the docks about message queuing, but even the docs, say, don't do this. Oh, they, they stopped talking about it around twenty twelve art to for reason, like they're gonna they're not gonna break anybody. But you know, you know, a products old when it has a separate section on com. Support. Right, right. Yep. Yep. Registry cleaning. And so, do you think I, I kind of get the feeling that these messaging systems like service bus or whatever, are meant to sort of alleviate? The bottlenecks that can occur. When you have a really, really high use system, you know, millions of users, lots and lots of transactions and messages flying around, and you need to be able to manage those and scale them is that is that pretty much. Do you think why most people would look towards a service bus? I, I know that your use cases a little bit different than that. But yeah, I mean I it was for the I guess the other times that I've, I've used something similar is are those cases where we insert a row today, debates in have that is process. Like so in this case, we move very quickly to Emmerson q, but then I looked back, and so the other systems built if you. We, we actually did have Acuna systems. It was just a poorly implemented one on top of database. We have this flagged said, whether processed or not, in fact, I mean, most of the most of the e commerce systems it used today have some kind of system so that when you place an order, it's not it's not literally processing order, when he picked the button, there, some kind of signal to a back in processing system that takes that in runs from there. So one of my first jobs was on a cart. Checkout order processing team, where at the time we we weren't using Cuba, we were kind of a poor man's cue which was injured around to the database with in this process. Lag in a back window service that just polled every second. The see were their orders. The didn't it be processed in the take them in pushing through the order processing system, and then where you pulling in Java script to see, when, you know, the user can get the. Hey, congratulations message. Everything's good. Or did you send him an Email or what did you do? So in that case, we, we did something. Well, there's a specific Naper this pattern. So just independence called the claim check pattern and the general idea is that, you know, you you're going to go to like a doctor's office or filling out some insurance information you go to the front window and heavy philadel- form. So you fill out the form, and then hand the form to the person, and they do a quick check to make sure that you filled out all the fields and in the hand you a ticket gate now. Please sit down so in our e commerce website. That's what we did you hit submit. We're just checking to make sure that you filled out the fields. Right. But I don't really care if you know, if there's a cat's walking on your lap in your keyboard or not. That's doesn't matter. Just the have you filled out the fields and then I give you a little token back that says, great, I receive your order. Here is a number. There's a here's a ticket to say, this is how you get back my order. So you get redirected to a page. It says, thank you for your order your order status. Is ending and that was right. You just how that everything else from there on out. Just email. Right. Or like are they're kind of a synchronous notifications. It says, when we see this in modern e e commerce systems now to k, thanks for your order. This is what we saw that you ordered. Yeah. They have done anything yet. And then you get another Email with it's been processed than another Email when they've been able to do the payment, and when they actually ship it and I love that. Yeah. I did you feel like you're working through q. Now there's a that works really. Well, if you don't have to inform the news or get user feedback right immediately in case something goes wrong. So for something like I was working for. Computer manufacturer here. And if they ran out of computers, they would just make more of them, and send them along, but that's not always the case, that's a whole other section of their website, which is for refurbish computers. And so you could have the problem that two people at the very same time, click the button to add that thing to the cards, and go to check out and try to purchase the same physical item. So we could have this problem where we couldn't just make another computers, like, no, this is a real physical, good that they can't, you can't sell to people, right? And so you see the other you X patterns start to show up so things like ticket reservation systems. So when I'm buying a movie ticket, there's that little timer countdown at the most stressful part of any website is like you have two minutes to fill us. All right now, fell the sin, and it's doing it is doing these kinds of polling or ping, the back that, you know when. I don't want to sell this the seat in theater to someone who's credit card is working. Right. So I really need or it's been flagged for Fatah whatever. So when I sell it, I actually do need to have it back in system that is doing the stuff and have some way of, of notifying the front end that this overall workflow process is complete or not. Right. So that gets into a whole bunch of you X patterns to be able to do so like. One one you mentioned was being able to, to ping from the front end. But now you've technologies like web sockets signal are so you can write directly from the back end notify the front. And if you're if you're trying to scale up to begin with, you know, that has challenges of its own, right? Oh, exactly. So I think if things like turbo tax tax, at least in the states is the thing we have to do to fill out our taxes every year, and you're going through all your formation and then you get the very end. It's like okay, go ahead and submit my might tax form and they put this really pretty animated gif, that's like checking for deductions seen. If you're gonna get audited doing this address verification checking this checking that. And if you right click that it's just a static if it's not actually doing any of these things that's terrible. You checked. He looked dotes. Oh, how do they feel the system like you know, I finally? Sister giant live. It's all a lie. I was like, the, you know, the, the old story of people complaining about the elevating slow, and so they just gonna mirror and no more complaints. Right. Favorite variation on this. I can't remember but it'd be Cleveland airport where people were complaining that bags took too long to come off and the answer was to make the cord or to the baggage claim longer longer. Yup. As long as you're still walking. You don't care, right? And so, making the corridor long enough that by the time you get there, the bags forty come off. That's fine. Didn't actually speed baggage handling just kept people walking. Yeah. Right. So actually, it does that does bring up the first really big pitfall that I see folks run into that. If I have a synchronous action, we've been reaction with the end user. But that's going to generate some kind of as synchronous action in the back end via messaging is not lied to the user about this thing that's happening. So something like Amazon. When you click place order, it's very explicit that this orders, pending, or if you go to airline reservation you click order you click purchase ticket. You don't say your tickets. It doesn't say your ticket is issued. It says tickets. Brendan doing very explicit that this is a small synchronous interaction. That's kicking up a larger back in Iraq Shen. But we've given you is a little bread crumbs to say how can check the status of my order. So as long as you're very explicit about signing that interacted Bradsher. But I also think these are I like these are business conversation to of how we communicate with our customer. I'll absolute sense of. Yeah. Airline, tickets every time you check a flight. They're not actually seeing if there's tickets free or not. Right. They're just giving you the flights because it's too slow to actually check for the tickets. It's only what you because most people look, they don't buy. Oh, yes. It's mainframes all the way down. So only when you actually buy that they go check to see if you got a ticket, so you have to, to deal this messing. But I think it's cheaper to disappoint a few people once in a while with the story, we don't have that ticket than it is to, to check every time. So then it becomes a business discussion about. Yeah. We can't do everything the context of a single button, click. So how do we do with the message of the real world? And the answer is usually mile. There's some kind of business rule and policy in place. Yeah. Here's a fifty dollar gift voucher, something like that, since sorry, something didn't work. At least a story, right? Like I think about your scenario with two guys trying to buy the same computer and one of them's gonna get the messages. I'm sorry, the computer's gone. So it all has to come back to the to that user experience to make sure that we are being honest with the end user about what's going on. And then taking the appropriate pattern based on based on that is so in the case of a finite thing, then that's why these places now have a little countdown timer saying what we're doing is we're reserving this for you, but you only have x amount of time to be able to actually purchase it because we had this whole back system that nasty process it or if it's an infinite resource than we'll just make more of the thing, that's really the back end system. That's doing the order processing, but you can submit orders all that long. Yeah, it's just livery date. Might be different than you hoped because you're further down the pipeline and you. Yes. Right. Hey guys, hold that thought for just a minute. While we take a moment for this very important message this episode of dot net. 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So the dead letter queue is a place where messages that can't be delivered a process. Go to be held until someone can make a decision about them usually administrators something like that. So if you imagined I've, I've, I've moved all my work offline and all my work is not represented represented with individual messages, what happens when something goes wrong with one of those messages. Let's say there's some air processing. There is a bug in the code or there's something something arrived at caused us to not be able to process. It message message camping out of order. You were expecting this one before that one. And you got that one before this one. Exactly. Win wrong. And now you have to make a decision. Now, the great thing, is it because the work you're trying to do is now written down in a message. Then I can then have some kind of policy that says, what to do when those things go wrong. Right. Which is different than like a web outright. If you click the similar button in a web app, and you get that as peanut yellow screen death. That's it you probably not feeling good about things, right? That's you're done. Yeah, I just give you my credit card. I'm gonna go now. Call my Bank to make sure you didn't screw me over here. But now if if that worked to be done is in a message now, it's, it's written down. It's terrible in a queue, then I can decide what to do from there. But what happens when things go wrong? Well, it's written down. So you could just say, let's, let's try to do that work again. I'm so a lot of systems had this kind of Bilton retry ability, Najer service about says this as well is if something goes wrong. Go ahead, keep trying to deliver this thing, but we can't do that forever. If you do that forever that my processing would be stuck on this one poison message that prevents any other messages from getting run, and there really isn't any kind of retry stuff. Like poly has just goes boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, in retry, the number of times, right? It's got some basic stuff Filton, but it is extended either response is extensive all that. You can you can have a, a very complex where you try if you wanna have exponential back off with random jitter Bilton to make sure that if I have contention of a resource that there are some, some spacing, it could be extended, however you want. But it is something you have to decide like, right? It's like when you create these, these cues you have to decide what how many times should actually retry this? Sometimes the answer may be don't retry it. I'm so that is one of the other pitfalls that we haven't, you know, once everything's able to be written down in a message, then everything can be retried. So we should make sure that the work being done. Can't actually be retried. So if my life. That might Q is connected to stripe to payment. Sesing probably make sure that I don't charge the customer twice here that, that would be bad, but sometimes stripe is down. I mean, there's a reason to retry. Exactly. So in those cases, we want to be able to be retried, but we don't want to retry forever. And so that's really what the dead letter queue comes into play because this work is written down in a message. I can now say okay now that we've tried this X many times, let's give up. And then now move that over to a dead letter queue, but you definitely want that exponential effect. I've seen someone say will retry five times. It's like will you treat? Tried five times twenty milliseconds feel better now, right? Yeah. Thanks financial back off as much, you know, with, with total number, and then. Yeah, circuit breaker kicks in or something. Actually all of those things, and we, we for some of them are complex systems. We wind up tuning that kind of configuration on a message by message basis. Wow. That is if, if, if my message coming in is to interact with some awful integration API, that when it's down, it's, it's down this down hard, maybe for a day, while that we say, well, what we'll say something goes wrong, try five times, and then wait a day. So have have some means, like, just pushed aside, and try again tomorrow because it's not coming back anytime soon. Yeah. That makes sense. And that is all configured in Azure. You don't have to write that code yourself. Oh, that's gonna be that's gonna be code that you while in your consumption code. That's writing. What I did is what I did was. I use. I created a consumer for the dead letter queue itself. And so, anytime something came into the dead letter queue. I got it and then just implemented. You know the exponential back off in there. So is that what you mean by extensible, or is there, something that you can do without having to write that code? Will you do threat that code it somewhere? There is a way to configure the retrial policy inside of the adversaries. Let's client. So the peace that's actually consuming depending on what your client is on koso- if you're using something like Azure functions, they don't oppose that to you, because it's just really meant to be a. Here's the blocker code. That's consuming a message and get out. You don't wanna get too much too much complicated after that. So you, can you can then go up more complex falsies than do exactly what you're talking about, which is your goal is to not touch the system. Right. Because if you have to go poke around Q's to see what's going on. That's just not a good spot to be in your digging around an avid sites. Like what happened here? She's not a fun spot. That's why they existed ameliorate that stuff. But you're you're sorta hit it as Carl. I think it's really interesting. It's like, does it make more sense to retry multiple times on the primary Q or if fails once throat to the dead letter and we have a separate service, just picks up the? Letters in works with them as the retry mechanism. That's what I do. And it can get complicated cases were what we'll do is them. We get a message and we'll have a policy of doing an exponential back off. But sometimes it went away, just like just, just wait an hour because it's this, this, this consumer is picking API. So we'll do is start to incorporate message headers. So we can just like I look at it, it's like, you know, a someone just mailed me something and something went wrong. So I just write a little note on top of the envelope, but says try again tomorrow and put it at school. So. Got to do that, just says, okay. When we wake it up are dead letter queue processing will just put that message back on the Hugh itself to let it go through the regular processing again. And then the error checking will then be looking at those headers to say how many times have tried this thing. I would spend five times in the last five days, that's too many times. So let's, let's go to our permanent failure Q, right? We went up happening kind of levels of those. The temporary letter where it's retry mode, and then the permanent where which is a I've given up just to look at those manual intervention. Yep. Yeah, it's interesting to think about those two stages are gonna kinda like getting out of the main pipeline if it fails I time especially if you've got like ninety nine percent success. So, you know, not having anything hanging around the queue because it's grumpy just let the, the, the working stuff, work, and handle the, the occasionally, failing stuff separately. But then you end up with two tiers stuff, you're still trying to make work and stuff. You have come to inclusion isn't gonna work. One of the things we had a hard time really conceptualizing was, we went to we're building web apps. We I don't think a lot about the, the way I s managed all the worker, threads and requests coming in. And I owe it just you know, they just did it stuff in manage, the manage, the, the work between passing requests, individual threads and actually getting the request developing in something like a core. I'm not really thinking about multiple requests, coming at the same time when I go to a Q, we'll all the work stocked up. Right, physically Q. It's not really. Think about okay if it's something like order processing. There's an SLA the user expects my orderly process, within usually twenty four hours. In fact, some of them actually stay on their website. It will be processed within twenty four hours one hour. What whenever my babe? So now now that I've got all those work sitting in a backlog, I really think about how am able to process, the sets work in things like Ariza going on, that's preventing to successes from happening. So then get how do I break this work apart? So that the good work goes through. And the bad work is off to the side. Yeah. The troubled work stays isolated from the non troubled work. Yep. But I mean this is another aspect of queuing it of like law. And even before the cloud, we were doing this with cues where you could see if, if the cues the correct number of items in Q is always zero. And as soon as the numbers larger than that you're thinking, do I have enough processing resources available? So we started playing with automated. Elasticity by monitoring the size of cues. And if you saw cute continuing to grow, you word keeping up with it, that it made sense to light up another instance of a processor to help, drain, the q. If you can actually see this at in real life, too. So one of the great things about messaging systems. There's, there's so many real world metaphors, if you've ever gone to a department store that has a single cue for all the registers, right? When that cubits gets back up. You hear someone over little megaphone meeting another, you know, Tanya, come to, I'll four for to open up a new register, so the opened up a new processor to get people through that line. Yeah, the drain it, it is literally, the physical benef- station of q. I liked doing these drawings for business people too, because you could talk through the different steps of an order and talk about the business rules for each one of them of what do we do about this? What do we do about this? What are the what are the policy decisions of each one of these things? Sure. So one of my other first big mistakes, I did was when I worked through that set of stuff is a developer didn't. I really want to have to deal with a lot of cues. So the I the stupidest thing that could possibly work, which is you should actually check to see how stupid, it is sometimes, but I put every message in a single q. No, no. I know like obviously, that's dumb. But you know what I'm developing? Luckily, everything the few was always empty because I was still sitting at five, and it went through fast. But then when we dumped, you know, files with a hundred thousand messages, then things backed up a little bit. Right. I want all the message just from all files into one queue, then it exceeded the twenty four hour period for tomorrow's fouls came in. That was that was a fun, little on my heart is. Willin in these, it's not like cues really cost anything per se. Right. I mean they really are logical constructs now the queues aren't. But the code or the construct, I right to consume the cures, right? Were case too. I wouldn't have to develop another window service to able to pull things off. Another Q can I just didn't want to do that? Remind us on the thing, deploy and maintain manage gonna just have one thing that comes in, and that's the traffic manager of always different processing around the do everything service. So don't do that. No. Well, this is a granularity game to write that I can launch more machines, more VM's or whatever. The packaging solution is so that I could spread the workload. This is how you scale. Right. Is that granularity? And then you start to have different cues for different SLA's that you expect. Because really, it's the worker. It is your, your lever say, I can have more consumers of this message on Q, but I can't really look at the message is on the queue and say, oh, you're a special netted may go fuck you out because you're special, I think, in this file out, and that's exactly what airlines design, you have different things for different priorities. We don't stick everybody when Q and say, oh, you're a triple platinum number, let me go get you out of the middle of that queue and you got front, 'cause everyone gives you dirty looks things like that instead of have, you know, here's replying, here's group to his three or four has their own different cues to be able to. To say, you know, which priority set of folks gets to be born I right? And you have enough education strategy to make sure the right message is in the right q. When the case of the states, I pay fifty dollars and get to the head of the line, through the TSA pre check. I guess there's not really an intellectual regular messaging, but you have different cues for different SLA's. Right. And really you're, you're, you're cute assign is really about the work really understood it work to be done. And the SLA is associated with that. Have you noticed that the TSA pre line sometimes is longer now than the regular line? Absolutely. Because everybody's gonna make a choice like premium passenger line or pre checked line. Do I wanna take up my I wanna take off shoes? That's it. Speed through the line, like which went actually goes faster. Now, the real problem here is that don't have a test for pre check. Because if you there's an awful lot of incumbency happening in pre checked. That's what slows it down. Have you been to this line before sir a your practice line? They say you don't have to take off your shoes and everything, but people leave their belts on. And they're, you know, the things that set the metal detector off. And then they gotta go back through. It's like no, you do actually have to take off your belt. Yeah. Yeah. We, we were talking about Azure service bus did you mention end service buses. I know you use that as well as sort of a modern dot net service bus. Yeah. So this is a nomenclature I'd say problem with this is your things like Azra services if interest, but you also other enterprise service buses on the market ESP's, so there, all share that same term. Now in service bus definitely a reaction to the ESP's of the world because tried to promote this concept of smart in points dumb pipes. I did that. I wanna put my business logic in my queuing system. I really want my business logic in the things consuming the messages so that I have the most flexibility in control over how actually processes methods and not have that code inside of there. So at this point, I don't know. I they're, they're really bleeds. The lines are blurs the lines. Yes, Flers lines between these different kinds of tools, but something like in-service bus now we've used that for I've, I've used for ten years. Or so now because the very next thing I had to do when building a message consumer, which was okay? How do I pull this thing off the Q, and how do I process it? And the most the messaging libraries out there that is the, the raw libraries to communicate with the transports this like, when you want to say poll accu-, and pull the message off and do something the really low level. So the thing you get off Q is just some kind of object it contains the headers and contains the body and the body is just a binary. That's it right in southern you have to decide. Okay. Now I got a DC realize this into something and hopefully DC realizes correctly. And then you have to pass that to some kind of processing logic to process, it opened have to worry about something going wrong, so path, some kind of retry policy, so for us, we using service bus because it implements all the main messaging patterns for. That is all the kind of communication counters, you'd expect in any kind of messaging system, and encapsulate them in such a way, so that we just deal with those higher level primitives, and it's encapsulated all the inner workings of the transports behind the scenes. Nice. So something like out out of service is really going is really starting from the, the raw and then moving up towards having a lot more useful client functionality. So you don't have to decide they don't have to manually do civilize, something from Jason, for example, without your service boats you can just say, Yep. I know this is this is one of these things they will do realize that from Jason into just some kind of D, t o or class for you behind the scenes it could do that for you automatically cool. I guess the other aspect is whether or not you're using cloud. Yes. So we being consulting. Ideal just a large array of clients who are just really ferried sages of, of cloud. Adopting see. So I've got some that are like can help us with our mainframe, because our workforce is retiring with the next two years. And you kind of need to do something about it all the way out to we're call native, you know, we don't have any servers whatsoever. This doing how VM's it's all native platform, as a service things we were building in top, Azure AWS. So having to deal with all those, we, we also use service, as a way to say, we want to have a common library in primitive that we work with. And in that tool can then work with the different transports available, whether it's Q, or rabbit him q, or as your service thoughts, or whatever the next one might be that we don't have to keep relearning all these different clients. This kind of just a common nomenclature interface that we can deal are you running into customers at want multiple cloud solutions? Likely don't trust as your we want Amazon as well. I talked to folks at want that every so often is another really spending the money. Oh, is a separate question. There's so many people that want it. Yeah. That's the, the resources to be able to actually support that everybody wanted a hundred percent up time until I gave him the Bill for it. That ninety is fine. Yeah, I used to run this with product companies, and say, we want to support sequel server in oracle any idea, how different those two. He just raised dramatic. Do you have that case? But for for us, we really try to leverage the platform components in the cloud services, we use yet because that's, that's really you're leveraging the cloud to its full potential. So for those, we tried to move them into if the well, first of all, just really understand. Can't use case is there really a business reason why you're trying to do this on the cloud solution. Yeah. Sometimes there is. Sometimes it's a they're selling. They're selling a product, and they want to breach, as many customers as possible in their out is their customers have policies that say, only Azure, or a only a VS. Right. So they have to kind of dumb it down a little bit, and go more for infrastructure solution. That is maybe VM's or maybe containers say, okay. We'll we won't be able to leverage the native thing, but we can kind of dumb it down a bit. Or it's more infrastructure, as a service, the EMS are container. And then we'll just deployed that way. Yeah. I think that's the only compelling argument. I can imagine really the I don't trust that cloud that cloud. I don't think it's a good enough answer that either one of those clouds is better than anything. You've ever run. Yeah. I don't think it's a good enough answer. But that hasn't stopped doesn't stop in the end if they're gonna pay for it. Exactly at it is interesting to think terms of that bus abstraction so that you can then just put a provider onto the issue services. But that speaks to this, what is the overhead of all of this, a synchronous queueing stuff like do you see an overall dig rotation in performance per transaction from this? That's why we're really. I'd say really specific about win. We want to put this kind of, but the kind of peace in place, because it has to be some kind of compelling business argument, because you are, then you're going for money, one system, where everything is in process. Now, there's, there's two systems and even worse. You don't have a UI into the system. It's just manages Q. Right. The there's a there's a dead letter queue. So I built systems assuming that any message I create can wind up in the letter q so you have to make sure that there's someone that is able to respond to something being in their espionage administrator available. And how does it affect the end user, we don't want to, we don't want to have them at an a screen where they're staring at that spinning gif forever? Right. Because they've never received that back notification. So you have to have to design for explicitly upfront and make sure that you have sown able to manage the back in components as well. And I appreciate your thinking that, that means that each time you create a new message you just created a to do item that is managed that message in the dead letter queue. There's an assumption when you're building web outs, right? Yeah. But something goes wrong. Kinda struggling soda. Well, sorry. Yeah. There's, there's a log message somewhere. Maybe there's an app incites entry, but don't anything about it. Sorry will monitor the urge somebody will look at six months. Right. I was messaging everything's written down to actually deal with the problem. So we've had cases where before he put this kind of letter Hugh policies in place that we had this third party. If you go down. And now we've got a hundreds and hundreds of thousands of messages scenario and we I hooked up notifications to our Email, and now we've filled up or Email inbox right? Yeah. You make that mistake. Exactly. Once you were thinking this was how often could this possibly happen, right? Let me tell you their minds me that story you told on dot net Rocco. Yeah. About the texts loop, we I got test messaging in the nineties, and we got an API so that could automate setting a text message and my first test, Royal, I set myself thirty two thousand seven hundred sixty seven text messages. And that was an old Nokia candy bar phone where you had to delete each text message, one of the time, just note in the river, just you've done, yet, twenty because that's the range of an unsigned integer. So you probably had a counter that. Yeah, overflowed it would've gone forever. But it hit the over the overflow, the fun part was calling tech support to try and fix it and nobody knew what I was talking about till I got to the tier three guy. And then I split. Oh, you. Yeah. You're that guy. I'm going to delete this for you. Don't do that again. Too funny. Yeah. Great. But, you know this all of these infrastructure all of these architectures they, they are amplifiers of RBIs stakes. Right. Like you just it's hard to think through all the possible revocations where we build this stuff. You cannot escape your bugs. They're sitting there in that deadly queue waiting for you to fix it. Yes, do you talk about this at conferences? You're going to be speaking about this stuff at anytime soon. I did one a while ago. I haven't done it in a while which covers his kind of concepts because a one, a lot of mistakes, people make is not having good metaphors in their head, as a moving to building, these kinds of systems. So I had to talk at NBC while ago that was around building up real world metaphors for these interactions. And these patterns so that if you do it on a whiteboard. Imagine people being the communicators of these messages back and forth. Could you step back and say is this makes sense or not with is actually working real world? And if it does, then you have a very strong likelihood of succeeding in the system to do Bill. But if you look at it, it's like there's no way that any business could ever run like this with this kind of communication, then it probably won't work for electric systems either. Yeah. I feel we're just scratching the surface to because there must be so many. Gotcha. 's that were not even beginning to talk about when you just talk about service bus and other over the next whiskey. We can talk about it does seem like most of the pitfalls are architects. Actual right? That if you, if you have somebody on the team that's been through this stuff before you can avoid you can design away these sorts of problems without having to fill up your deal q. It is one of those things that it just requires you to, to kind of go through it the first time to go through those, those battles because the war wins and understand his these kind of things that you have to put in place because there's nothing. That's just this rink wrapped solution is just at alma at insights, and you're good to go. Right. It's never. That's now you can add app insights, and they say, hey, we're getting a denial service attack. Oh, that was me. Sorry. Our own system is attacking us, right? Jimmy. Thanks a lot. It's been great talking to you. Thanks for having me catch up with you in Oslo. Right. That's right. I'll see. Oh, then. All right. Take care. And we'll see you next time on dot net rocks. Dot net. Rocks is brought to you by Franklin's net. 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The Complete Guide to Everything

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"This is a head. Gum podcast everything. Podcast bet everything. I'm hosts tom and i'm tim. Where are you laughing at. You started off. i'll off-balance rong. I was i was trying to Get the get the the stop watch going so i can second countdown. The second psalm. Done with this now just to keep track of time because sometimes especially nowadays when we're recording over zoom or facetime rather this make sure we get our corporation straight our technology straight. Thank i lose track of time because we we just spend an hour flap in our gums about Nonsense yeah we do. Yeah it's an old fashioned chatting chew. chew the fat. How're you doing this week. Tim tom i'm starting to get pretty stir-crazy i don't know why it was this week after almost a year but get me out of here. Let me do things you should. I've been thinking about taking a trip to cancun. Maybe you'd like to join me It seems like there's a lot going on right now. Probably not the best idea. 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I've got evidence of the somewhere i've got evidence and i'm i'm gonna see in court for slandering me like this makes me so mad because like that is the one place where i do think about screwing you over by taking all those reward points because it is the one place where i'm like He no and it's not real money. It's reward points. maybe i should. That's that's a one time. I the little devil on my shoulder. And even though i do the right thing now. I'm getting the call. Sorry i should give you an award out stealing money from me. Wow i should give you an award for for considering stealing from me but then not going through with it. Yeah that deserves more of an award or reward than if it never even occurred to me if it never occurred to me then. I don't deserve any accolades but if it occurred to me but then i said no. I'm not gonna do that. That's wrong then at the very least you shouldn't accuse me of using that exact line of thought. There is one time where i took something. And i'm i remember what it was. I think it was like literally something where i was like. It's going to be more of a pain in the ass to tell him about this because he's gonna think i'm like stealing more than i'm than i am so i'll just steal this ten dollars. See the way that you're talking you're setting this up. I even like we get these like weird. Ten dollar check sometimes from From audible for like ads. We had years and years ago. And they're made out to. Tom reynolds and i still put them in the complete guide account. I didn't see any evidence of that. And twenty twenty. well happened two years prior. It's extremely rare. Why are we fighting. This thought we could do a fun. Challenge what the hell you'd even tell me. What the challenges i know. Every time every time. I started bringing up the challenge. She started begging people to send you money now pegging challenging them to send me money. Are you a coward. Prove you're not enter the ascend. Maya tom challenge just going to be a challenge to take ten minute walk everyday a ten minute walk challenge. Thought it'd be nice. You'll get us out of the apartment. I take a ten minute walk. I walk the dog. Oh you want me to take a walk with you for ten minutes every day. No no look. I just wanted. I thought it'd be a nice thing. I think a lot of people are feeling cooped up. And i think if you don't make it a point to go outside every day you might realize you know you're inside. I thought it'd be a nice thing. And then you had to turn it into this acrimonious argument about finances and asking people to send you money even though you ask challenging even though i have amassed tens of thousands and in credit card rewards points. Yeah that are to this day unaccounted for in any official accounted. They're all on that frigate reason you know about it is because they're all just sitting in the account not being used. I think we mentioned before. We established earlier that i can't get into that account. It's tied to your personal account. Well that's not my fault just want you don't have to do it. I'm going to take a walk everyday. Good mind take walk right now. Okay tom i hope we can put that ugliness behind us because this should be an episode topic that unites us. We should be agreement. More than we're adversarial right. I think most people except for vegans and the lactose intolerant lactose intel. Those intolerance of lactose. I mean you know who you are. Yeah and in this day and age. I have no tolerance for that kind of intolerance exactly. Yeah i think everybody should be with us. I don't know there's some people that don't like just in the words of steve urkel got any cheese this week. The answer is yes yes. We do got some cheese. I don't actually have any cheese on me. But but i. I have some thoughts on heavy heavy cheese today I eaten cheese today. Yeah i'm like have. I eaten cheese pizza for dinner. Yeah and. I put some parmesan on my my pasta. So guess what you got. You might not have cheese anya. You got some cheese india right. And i'm sure i have cheese on me too. I'm a i'm fruit for the listeners. At home i could see that. Tim does have cheese on a shirt. I don't i don't know if it's i think it's probably like a mix of things but i find like every day i spill food on myself. Now i don't know. I think you should see a doctor not like a lot of food but i don't know if it's just because like i'm not as careful because i'm not out so mike like i mean that's you know spill something on me and i have like a little spot or wherever still wear that for like two more days before i played in the wash. So do you think we're all gonna act like neanderthals like first few weeks back out in society like clergy to the restaurants or just going to be mess. People just like chewing with their mouth open and stuff maybes either that or it's gonna go the other way where you know we're gonna be wearing tuxedos everywhere spilling before we get too much further. I do want to give credit to lines. E ninety one on our sub reddit. This was their suggestion cheese. I can't believe fellas have done an episode about cheese yet. I couldn't believe it either. You know when. I saw that. I said this time. I can't believe it yo. You didn't just automatically accused this person and being a liar and i had to. Maybe we done an episode on cheese. But they stole it tom. I thought we were. We agreed that we were going to. We're not gonna do this all right. this is. This is a uniting topic. Line yes. I have a tim topic or a tom topic. It's it's both yes universal topic so to answer your earlier question. I have had she said. Is that why you asked. Or why. And i know you said you said you didn't have any cheese on you and you have chosen. You do you rather she's all of us. You have cheese every day. Would you say or most days. Probably not am i would. I would say most days if we're being honest I'd like to not eat as much cheese as i e to us. I think it's probably the least healthy thing that i eat on a daily basis. Cut that out. Even even more than the the king size snicker bars you eat every day. I tom i'll tell you something about a year ago. We got a whole bunch of take five all right in other from her rhesus delicacies. Right before the quarantine began he was the best the best three months of my life. Where march through may lonnie. I can't leave my house but there's a room of my house. That's a candy store now but i haven't had a candy bar since that last. Take yeah i'm trying to remember last. Candy bar got grownups so we should be eat as much candy as we want. We're allowed to your. Nobody's telling us we can't do eat cheese every day. You eat pizza every day. Meat pizza every day. Time when i knew that you have with. Of course i mean there are to Eat pizza every day. I definitely eat cheese most days not every day but most days i mean cheese just makes it. It doesn't make everything better. There's some food that now cheese doesn't work on. But i find that i mostly like types of food where adding a little cheese Just makes it even that much better. Yeah what i tom. I was gonna say what i don't have is for period in quarantine i was buying like bricks of like cracker barrel cheese to have as a snack and that had to stop it. It didn't last long enough as a snack. Yeah i wanna to talk about that later. But i think yes. Put a pin in that. But first let's just cut the malarkey here. Tom cut the cheese. You know out of the way. What's what's what's the best cheese We're not gonna wait. We're not going to hold people people you know we're not gonna do a protracted top ten lists where people had to wait a full hour into the episode before they hear what the best cheeses i would say. It depends on my mood a little bit. Sometimes i'm in the mood. Listen just let me finish. Well if you'd stop rambling trying to give my thoughts. Ten people wanna hear. I don't question a direct or to where love if this show is. Just you know both of us just filled out a form every week and then a man came on. He just read the formulas. Read the questions and the answers is a scantron. I a fill in the lower levels like couldn't couldn't even write. You know anything in it. That's your ideal podcast. Sorry tim sorry. I have a personality and i like to give some of my thoughts to the world. These are wonderful. I was gonna say yes sometimes. It depends on my mood however ultimately my favorite cheeses cheddar cheese cheddar. That's there's only one answer okay. It's versatile you put like well and there's a lot of different types of cheddar to like you could have. You gotta have cheese straight just full of cheddar and it could have a multitude of varieties. Yeah if they got rid of all the if you had to choose one. Cheese cheddar will be great because like look. I'd eat a pizza that had cheddar cheese and saddam. Matza sorolla cheddar cheese is delicious. Suck it mozzarella which i also like. Yeah baby you'd like to suck on some mozzarella materialistic tom. You'd like you'd like to suck all the mozzarella water off it before the way before you give it to a customer her. Can you suck the kurds off before you go to me. I'm a vegetarian impact. Because i did work in a butcher shop in how gross kind of the sausage being made i literally. I watched sausage being made. And just that is. I always think about how. Yeah like you know. Food can be kinda gross like especially like a fast food. You know you never know. You're gonna eat. But i always think like it's all like non meat can only be so gross because it's just like plants instead right however you think about cheese for more than ten seconds. What cisco came up with this process like how she hand also like uae. Why did they think that was okay. Cheese is one of those foods. I think about that like if aliens came down and they saw us eating cheese that they'd be like what the hell is wrong with you like. Why are you doing that. You're taking the milk outta that animal that's meant to feed its infants. And you're just like let's leave it out for a while. Let's have it starting to like that. Rape things yeah. There's always a whole process a complicated process. I tried to look up. How cheese was made today. I still don't understand it. Yeah i saw like. I looked at a i googled. How to make cheese at home and the only kind of cheesy can make home is like crappy wouldn't even wanna eat. Would you ever tried to make a cheese. I always see like. I watch a lot of youtube videos. About like It's making food from scratch. Yeah in my ideal world. I would have the time. I do have the time the patients to like make everything that i eat from. Scratch right right but cheese kiara. I never want to take part in that sick sick ritual. I could see maybe like a like a hobby or like in retirement getting into cheese-making complicated things up a lot. I was gonna say it's complicated and it also seems like it needs a lot of patience because you won't know if you screwed something up right away you have to wait and then probably eat something and get sick but also i think it's not worth making your own cheese at home unless you're gonna make like a ton of cheese you're gonna make you a half pound cheese or something like not. Just go to the store and buy that for a few bucks that can be said for anything. Right like yeah. Let's head home. You could just go buy pizza for a couple pizzas a lot easier to make home than than cheese now. The way i make it. I'm just saying if you're make the cheese from scratch. When i make pizza wild. I could see then that would take a long time to make all the other stuff. It's well. I just think if you're making if you're making something that requires that kind of time investment. Then you make big batch of it otherwise it's just kind of not worth it. Well i mean what do you mean worth it. What if it's fulfilling the you know. Well maybe not maybe not worth. It is the wrong way to put it. But if it's gonna take you knit sweaters or you like ever hear of old navy dot com. Ever hear of the loom i would. I'm just saying if you're going to spend like a month aging cheese or whatever you know double up the recipe you might as well make a bunch of it because it's gonna take a while to make more. Hey tom cheese tip w cheese that you even more. I'm just saying whether you making one slice of cheese or like one of those like ten big wheels of cheese gonna take you about the same amount of time. So you might as well make a bunch. Did cheese ever hurt. You know i. Have you ever met a cheese that you don't like Yeah i mean. I asked some seven this but i remember there. Is this cheese. When like when. I was younger that my family would get sometimes. That was like within a tray of cheese. Or whatever for like appetizers that like everybody thought tasted so good. This cheese smelled exactly like our dog. And i hated like it smelled exactly like our dog to the point where i was like did. Did the dog get into this. Cheese smells like him. No that's why we like it. No i remember that we like it. Smells like the dog is wherever that completely. Gross me out and it wasn't even necessarily a bad smell the same way like body odor kind of smells like onions so like you know the smell of onions you'd be like Smells like somebody's cooking. Something great and then he come around the corner and it's a locker room and it's a bunch of sweaty jocson there you go. Ooh cooking up his hunks. Yeah so it's it's the same to me where i got. Why other people could have liked it because they didn't have. The context of the smells. Smells like our dog where some of them you know is family family coming over. So it wasn't their dog. You know maybe that helped now. How much variance do you think there was in the smell of dogs. I don't so well. Just a coats smell different. Dogs smell different. Yeah i guess. I don't know i think it never serves anybody to smell cheese too closely. I like that can only never been it. No sometimes cheese tastes. Smells very good now. She's one of those things i think. Any kind of dairy if you smell it hard enough can't figure out if it's if it's rotten or not if it's if it's good or bad what about ice cream don't go smell smells ice cream. See what happens when you walk into an ice free. Freeze your nose off happen when you walk into an ice cream shop and it smells like ice cream. That's great now. It's kinda gross. I was reading up about limburgers cheese. That's the stinky cheese. yeah And i realize i was sorry for the interesting part. I know that you wanted to show off your personality. Well i was reading letting you go in that interrupting do i know how do i know that about lemberger. Cheese says well on the wikipedia. It's as reactions to and misinterpretations of the smell of limburg or cheese. Were gags using numerous looney tunes little rascals in the three stooges comedy shorts. It's like that. Those are the three things that i know that from then. Are you a child of the one thousand nine hundred forty. I don't know it's just i. I watch a lot of that stuff. I think that's why i have these. These outdated ideas about cheese. Sciatic thinks you're weird. I get it the the reason why cheese smells so bad is that it. Has this Bacteria in it that is the same bacteria that's on human skin and partially responsible for body odor in particularly foot odor. Anything with the bacteria that a responsible for. Oh let's not make. Let's let's not eat it. Yeah this is the thing. We're not gonna put it on stuff anymore but oh yeah and then this is disgusting. Apparently elim burgers sandwiches popular in some parts of the world. A- limburgers sandwich is a slight two slices of rye bread of healthy smearing of lemberger cheese. A slice of onion and a strong black coffee. I mean the onion like everything except for the limbaugh burger cheese. I'm on board for. I don't want to eat a cheese and onion sandwich while having a strong black coffee. I love strong black coffee but i don't want to have it with that. It just cheese. Onion sandwiches did we. Do we have when we go over to london. Yeah but i have those at lunch and dinner time and snacktime. I only out Sometimes i guess. I do having coffee but i don't know that just seems like it. Try it just seems like the type of meal that would tell you. Somebody's in alien pretending to be human having that. Oh and last thing. I want to mention about limber cheese a study showing that the malaria mosquito is attracted equally to the smell of lemberger and the smell of human feet earned the nobel prize in two thousand six in the area of biology. The results were published of the say were published in the medical journal of the land. The land set in november nineteen ninety-six. That's all it takes to get an slow biology right where it's like. Well yeah that kind of it makes sense that oh both these things give off. Have the same bacteria maybe malaria. Flies are attracted to that bacteria. Let's let's do a quick test this afternoon would even take that much. That's like a science science fair thing you could and like. What does that even prove cool. We'll we'll put out cheese in. Yeah i guess i guess. It's at developing nations. Yeah that that these flies are expected to body odor. It's like well. They're also in like extremely hot climates. Where there's not much you can do about there being body odor. Yeah i dunno nobel prize. We should we should keep our our ears to the ground pry. I've been saying for years. Nobody will prize sex. It's a scam. It sounds like a scam. If that science fair project can win. Tim we gotta keep our our ears to the ground about some experiments we can do. Maybe when ourselves a nobel prize you need to. Yeah i think it just in general. We should start doing more science projects before you leave the house. You do the checklist for your phone. Keys and wallet random. Yes it's time to add one more thing before you walk out the door. Birdie is the newest essential edition to your routine. 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I would say probably my favorite way to eat cheese. It's just on. Its own mousy maybe with a grape or something. I think that the grossest thing you can do. Oh you're a sick man. I mean look. We have not. I wasn't disparaging you. I for me. I don't like that. Ever since. I was a little kid. If the thought of taking a bite of cheese makes me wanna barf. I remember one time. What's that. what's that cheese. That is in the red wax bell baby bell. I remember a friend of mine. Brought a live next door number brought over to my house. We went in the bushes. Would you like three. That was your your your parents rules. Did you bushes your yard. That outed not in my yard but like neighbors and stuff. Yeah i know what you're talking about. It's a cool thing to just like hang out hijaz. Sometimes sometimes there are ways to kind of get into a bush Yeah school is a cool place to be with your four years old. I remember not knowing what it was taking a bite out of it. A smart enough to take the wax off from lax off but just like it tasted sylvia. Just shoot it right out of my mouth And then i would think about it for like. They're fairly for over thirty years. Now the for some reason. I always thought that since i spit it out behind that bush that he was always there and i always thought of it like she's a cheese. Bush was gonna grow one day now. I just thought like imagined going back there. Cheese chewed up on the ground. Still cheese was eaten by a bird or squirrel within five minutes of you leaving there. Yeah well. I didn't know that was a dumb kid So i take it if you don't like eating cheese on. Its own like that that you're not a fan of kurds. Are those fried generally deep. Yeah yeah not always. That's fine scott. Yeah anything with reading on m okay but you win like i love. I love a dang mozzarella sticks. I i am but surrealistic monster among monster monster ehlers yeah. They're they're often fried as an appetizer. That would be offered in lieu of mozzarella sticks at a at a restaurant. But um non fried delicious. Yeah like a wisconsin. Delicacy her like mid west delicacy. Well next time. I'm in the mid west. I mean every time. I've been in the mid west. I have just eaten a ton of cheese every single way. Honestly remember when we went to tom. Do you remember two years ago when we went to chicago. Uh-huh do you remember how much cheese we ate like. I honestly thought I was on well for me. He's like oh no like. I'm going to have a medical episode like my body can't handovers spots cheese. Well yeah i mean you. you're paranoid about. He like judging by the way you get afraid of things. You have like an impossibly frail body that you should be living in a bubble or something but whenever i leave new york. I'm always afraid that i'm going to die. I'm gonna die away from home. And then in their obituary will say turns out. He wasn't a true new yorker. After all tim think beer tim died as he lived a fraud. Shikaki tim died in chicago. makes you wonder. Why wasn't he in new york cause of death. Too many months rela sticks. Well that sounds suspicious now. The like tim but i will say that. Cheese is one of those unique foods where everybody's different but like every body has a set amount of cheese it can process within a certain amount of time. And if you go and like that goes all the way from lactose intolerance of i can't have any even to all the way up to cheese freak. They're still a limit. And once you go past that limit. I feel like you're just like well. We got no more enzymes to deal with this. So what do you want to do. We're going to put it right into the veins means like we'll just put it anywhere where we can find a spot for now and we'll deal it later would you. Would you consider yourself a cheese. Freedom she i just wanted to point out are also on teen the canadian. Yeah Which again. I enjoy putin And i will say that. That's not just cheese alone. there's there's gravy and the days with putin is one of the things. I didn't think i would like fruits fights. I didn't think i would like. And i don't know why is an. I had it as like this great. I love this. Patine at burger king at canadian burger. That's where you want to really experience. That's where i got the full experience of canadian routine What was your question. I don't remember It was another question about cheese. If i recall perhaps i feel like you have an agenda item that you're trying to push you want to tell you about burger. You talk about kurds. No i mean we can talk about since we're talking about cheese 'cause is similar Leumi or aka grilling cheese Witch what a treat Surprisingly uncommon in the united states. Considering how common i've seen it in in in europe. Yeah three halloo me constantly. I was looking into it a little bit like why that is and From what i find leumi i. It seems like it's mostly made Middle east thing. That's where it came up because it's I think sheep and goat milk Sheep goats here. I know basically the thing if you haven't had it. It is a cheese with a lot of people here that hate anything from the middle east. I mean hamas has grown in popularity has grown in leaps and strides. It's still like a punchline on last man standing in stuff. I told you. Stop watching that shit like to get angry and also you know i keep thinking. Maybe he'll do the same from having episode. We're tim allen. From home improvement. Tim taylor rather that. And there's no way to watch it over hebron waiting for the rerun this summer. So it's but it is squeaky cheese and basically the the genius thing about it is it has an extremely high melting point. Which means you can grill it and fry it and it doesn't just earn and get destroyed or melt away. Yeah so it keeps its shape but it gets like a nice little brown like a guilt crusty the little grill layer on it. And when you heat it up like it doesn't melt baguettes soft. It is very good and yeah When i was looking into it because apparently it's like not. There's a lot of cheeses like it. Which is i think. What mean you find here The the the brand that we find here is i. Think based on like a how. It's made in the dominican republic. That's like a big thing there so am because know. We live in new york city There's the demand for food from all over the world so luckily we have access to it. We are so open minded tom. We should pat ourselves on the back the the last time. She's very welcoming all cheeses from all walks of well. I was very upset. Because the last time i went to the supermarket to get it. They didn't have it labeled as grilling cheese anymore. Grilling with an apostrophe But i found case day for airy fray are- which i think is fried. I think it's just cheese. Cheese fried cheese cheesy cry and it was Very similar but then. I looked it up on the website of the tropical company. That's who makes it and it's not the same. it's it's something different but it tastes tasted the same. I get self conscious when i eat only because of all the squeaking you well you have like weird teeth thing you don't you don't like cold on your teeth. You don't like your teeth to squeak. Yeah i feel like you've told me in the past it you feel like you have especially squeaky teeth. I think so only. Because i'm the only one talking about all the squeaking patty tim hulu me and sometimes i bring it up and people. Just look at me strange. Now what do you think would cause that. What do you think would cause your teeth to be squeaky than the average person's i don't know something about the enamel. I mean maybe it has something to do with why. My teeth are more sensitive than normal. I'll maybe you don't have enough enamel. Yeah exactly exactly what i just said and then you said it as if you thought of it. Look into the same. We're gonna find a way to get some more enamel on those teeth. Thank you i would. I would like that. I think i know a website where i can order some enamel straight from china and we get just painted on their get that. Get that squeak and taking care of. Yeah it's not. It's not a deal breaker when it comes to to tackle leumi but it's it's definitely a roadblock. What is your favorite type of to have on a sandwich. tom. I think i got to go with a swiss really now A swiss. i like. I think you compliment and i'm thinking about you know if i'm having a like a turkey sandwich or guide you're gonna saying episode. Why would i say that. I don't know that you're talking about when you have one. Beer episodes episodes We just you you get all upset and then somebody has to give you a special sandwich to calm you down and gets up yelling now. I just think Swiss has has enough of a unique flavor. But it's not an overpowering flavor and complimented a nice meet on a sandwich now. What are your feelings on grilled swiss cheese. I think it's good as well. I like it. i'm not. I'm not look. I'm not over the moon about swiss cheese. But i think it's a nice change of pace from from Cheddar lake a grilled swiss cheese. However they're dangerous because that is a real melted cheese that gets very stringy. And you gotta make sure you got good bite you know. Don't start swallowing as you're chewing. Make sure that make sure it's not still attached to the sandwich before you swallow or who knows who knows what else it's attached to suddenly. It's pulling in all things down swiss I would say you know what tim i think. I'm gonna have to go with a pro vallone on a sandwich The pro alone. But i think similarly it's. It's a cheese. That's nice but not overpowering. It's very complementary to whatever you're you're you're putting it with some yeah all right. I mean had heady feel about an american cheese. Like i'll be honest. I only like an american cheese melted. Yeah well or on a burger or something if it's not a multi cheese if there's not a melted situation right uses just too gross for me i. There was a lot of A lot of chatter online about american cheese. When when you gave out your timbo recipe a few weeks ago The the sandwich that is sweeping the nation s soothing the world because some people have a very hard time finding american cheese. If they're not in america. I know that american cheese was literally invented by mr kraft's like the guy that craft is named after he came cheese. Yeah And is sometimes referred to as shown craft store cheese which is a pretty good. Did you get at the store. Yeah but it's just like a very. It's it's actually made out of like cheddar and colby and stuff but then they just add more like molson stuff. Yeah yeah so it's like you know. Is that the best cheese you can get but is the cheapest cheese and it melts very easily. So if you're putting it on a burger on the grill or whatever that's kind of what you want. I will say. There's one exception to this. Which i forgot about kazaam thinking kraft cheese something individual individually wrapped slices of cheese. Where it's like. They basically squirt cheese into that rapper. And then it cools in the rapper and takes that rapper shape that american cheese. You get out of delhi. Pretty good like a nice sliced sliced off a block at cheese. Yeah and that's that's a different situation entirely. Yeah but but i just forgot that. That's you know another type of american. She yeah she's i would. Yeah i would put that. She's up against other cheeses. Yeah but if you're going to have that you might as well just have straight up cheddar. Jack yeah i don't know sometimes it's nice sometimes. You know if. I'm buying cheese sandwiches. I like just a regular old american cheese. Sorry if that makes me patriots him. How do you feel about monster cheese monster monster cheese monster. Cheese is good Yeah i'm glad you said not me. What do you feel about When you buy cheese at the store let's say you're you're making a pizza or a recipe that calls for cheese. Do you shred the cheese yourself or do you buy at pre shredded in a bag tom. I'll tell you If i'm if. I'm really trying to make something nice a- like Like a fancy. If i'm trying to recreate a pizza hut personal pan pizza or something really nice. Fancy or like i made a very elaborate nacho platter for the super bowl which i didn't watch but still made really nice nacho situation i made jalapeno poppers but the store was out of jalapeno so i decided to buy these tiny peppers and spacey. Now they weren't spicy at all which took it away from from a little bit but still pretty good. Be honest with you. Yeah yeah I shred it myself because it doesn't. It doesn't have all the additives to keep it from sticking together right. Put like cornstarch and other things in priests pre shredded cheese which is necessary otherwise. Because if you ever shred cheese yourself yeah and then put a you take it out of all be clumpy and right. But if i'm just buying you know just going to make some quick case ds or have some some cheese around for you know who knows what i'll buy the shredded. It is nice. Tom right not for one of the many nights trying to win. Back your wife after do screwing up something royally burden burning down the kitchen or something from the previous week state night. Yeah how do you feel that. The pre shredded cheese time I think it's usually what i go for it to be honest with you. Yeah we'll hear lazy man cheese grater not a big one. I've got like a little guy. It's a real. I didn't think so. It's a real pain. Well oh big surprised. Yeah you don't have a cheese greater Yeah no i think. All of us are d- spitting out or or drink or so. Well i don't need all these fancy accoutrements just make things up for my wife constantly. Because i've i've screwed up yet again. Driven the car into the house or something it's never had Yeah it's just easy. But i but i will say that like i mentioned earlier early on the quarantine occasionally would buy like a brick of cheddar cheese to have as a snack and then realize not only did they offer pre sliced bricks. But i think it was actually like cheaper for the same amount of cheese and that's a real big mistake because then everything's done for you and then every time you open up the fridge you can go well. Maybe just a little slice of cheese laallam in air. Yeah that seems like a a maniacs purchase on a maniac purchased. ano- is nice. Look it was. It was the happiest salmon wildlife when this was going on. It's just you know all things must pass. You had to stop his afraid. You were going to die well in the long run. Yes if any foods gonna kill me. It's to be cheese right. Yeah probably choke on a string cheese or something. Yeah how do you feel about string cheese. I could honestly take it or leave it. I've never been to crazy about it. Yeah i mean. I don't feel silly peeling it off. But it's kinda fun i dunno. Look fine. It's a nice snack. Yeah it's alright. What about non cow cheese him. Like goat cheese yeah. I love a goat cheese. What about a human cheese. Not not a fan. I don't think. I don't think i've ever had any. Yeah you don't think. I don't know somebody could have tricked me. Bought some prepackaged shredded cheese in the store have mixed in on a pizza at some sin. Mr tim go through life. You just don't trust anyone You think from you to the world steals from me pizza reas mixing into human cheese. Fuck with you. don't think so. I just can't say definitively that they may never have what about blue cheese. Hate it enough enough mold and cheese get outta here. you don't. I think. I did know that the deal mike cheese. It is a pretty gross thing. They like injected with You know like mold spores like it doesn't happen naturally. They had to be like all right. Cheese is ready now. Let's put some mold in it and let that multi grow. Yeah i mean. I'll i'll eat it. I just i don't particularly like it. It's wild to me. Why like i knew that about you. That you don't like the thing that they inject mold into. Yeah you don't you don't have a very refined palate is what i'm trying to say. Yeah you're hot. Pockets four nato. Your primary concern is whether or not foods squeak when you eat it. that's all you care about that statistic. Pizza van is putting human cheese pizza. Oh that reminds me. Actually when i was doing my research on limber cheese apparently Like right when lindbergh cheeses made you might want to try and get it get a hold of some because not only does it not smell that bad yet because the bacteria has gone to it but he's also very chaki. See you're going to have to line up. You know early at the cheese ary for to get in there when they open yacht any cheese. That isn't ready yet all by that. Yeah i'm off the real stuff. Please note early from the three stooges. Like i'll add my own bacteria at home while i love blue cheese tim. I think it's weird that mold tastes so good. I don't know why nature decide to do that. But i'm glad she did. Yeah i think. I've come around on. It used to gross me out But now i just think it's fine. It's got a little bit of a just as a little ripe for my liking. Blue cheese is also one of the things. I should have looked into this. But like you see a live or staff to you before it just keeps you see a lot of blue cheese nowadays. That isn't very moldy. And i think they like found different faster cheaper way to make it but if you get a nice blue cheese that shit's like really blew in looks disgusting like looks like it. It's like oh i could see that. That's moldy cheese. It looks like mold veins of mold in it. Yeah gross through it. Yeah whereas i feel like of the blue cheesy see nowadays like well. That's actually just white. That's a blue at all. What is this white cheese. Yeah well my money back my last. She said i'm going to ask you about him. Is feted cheese. I like fettuccini is. That's sheep and goat milk. Yeah just say no. Have you ever had spanish copa. Yes that's much good with with spinach and some feel oh delicious. Treat if you like the show he can find out more at tc g. t. e. dot com. You can tell him. sorry. I was giving. You just had nothing to say about. Fettuccine i think it's i think it's it's good. I used to not like it. I worked at a butcher shop and a guy said something gross about the smell of the fed cheese three out for a long time. But now i've come around lakes fettuccine Are i'm happy it exists. how long. How long did you work at that. Butcher shop two years. Yeah that was really a formula experience for you Yeah formative knoxville. I mean really was a formulaic experience. Where he wasn't it it was one of my first jobs in like honestly t was a job where expose out of my element more so than any other job or hobby or anything that i've done in my right like yeah. I didn't like it there but they were nice. Guys say the fetish smell bike. Something profane. i don't wanna. I don't want to repeat it. You can follow us on facebook. Facebook dot com slash complete guide. He can follow us on. Twitter at complete guide falls on instagram. At t t e he can follow me on twitter and instagram. Tom reynolds found the a year pow. Tim and support the show. Check out our sponsors also check out. Patriots dot com slash complete guide. Four books the podcast but last week and this week volume one and two of and t q your key q. Y a a a q. Answer your questions where we're answering the questions from listeners. Like you know topics off limits except for the ones we don't want to answer. Yeah but we won't even bring him up disc- yeah but we're like read a question it'd be like we're not answering. Yeah we're we're answering. We're answering the vast majority. I mean people. They're like we're vast majority. We're answering a lot. We're answering a lot. People are asking worse. Social security numbers are no. You're not going to get an answer this week. But what if what if they needed to complete the time reynolds challenge where they They have to like file it with the irs. It's such a large sum. Do a proper wire transfer like his. Send the money and we'll talk afterwards. We'll figure it out some. Bitcoin person's gonna send me like a million dollars and then i'm gonna be in trouble. This is going to be how i'd go to jail. They find because. Guess what i'll be in jail as a millionaire. That's the best way to be locked up for life. You demand respect when you're in there is a millionaire. Nobody will mess with you. Also check out the read it. Did you say read it. no. I didn't that's where we got the The idea for this topic and The discord did you say discord. I didn't check that out too. I imagine people can figure that stuff out without giving back slash and shut up. Just go google it or something. Tim allied when. I said i was asking you about cheese. I have one final cheese to ask you bree tom. is fine. I think people who have little too crazy about a too squishy. We all know this. Also are you supposed to eat outside or not. Who knows nobody knows you are early. Can't if feels wrong. Feels like you're eating rapper. A lot of things. Yeah you say oh. Did you know that. The the trident gum wrapper will dissolve. You've just chew it. I'll just this unwrap the gum. Thank you very. i'll take. He tried gum. Who's and tried in full and also hussein dissolve. Your stomach is that just based on like any paper said it in fourth grade diana why you were listening to him well. Fourth grade ride visit about is reliable source. A good man. We'll see an exit. That was a hit gum podcast.

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Happy Birthday Gus Ugly Sorola - #637

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Happy Birthday Gus Ugly Sorola - #637

"This is a rooster teeth production. Hello everyone rooster. Teeth is sponsored by express. Vpn they're the fastest vpn. We've ever used try them out at express. Vpn dot com slash. Rt t. v. Hello everyone welcome to the receipt. Podcast i'm barbara on gavin kayla. What's up it's your boy. It's me back from the dungeons of land. it's mariel colour the comeback don't call it a comeback. We've been here for well over one welcoming her before we get into the podcast. I feel like there's something we need to address gusts sorolla lovely birthday. Boy is not here today. He's taken the week offers birthday so i thought we would all make a wish on behalf of gus little love for his birthday and i will blow out the candles so gavin. If you'd like to give a wish for gus what he would say out loud. Yeah i hope. He stops getting hassled by the wildlife in his back. Garden kayla I hope that he remains as effervescence as always beautiful mariel. I hope all of guesses male pisces. Dreams and twenty twenty one chemistry. Amen r agus have happy birthday buddy. Pray amen how old is today. Do you guys know. He's sixty timeless flat cord into the chat. He is twenty. Three twenty three is he. He's not fifty yet. no he's still in his. I legitimately don't now. I feel like the terrible in the name of this episode is the gang gets fired. Gets the point where you just start rounding to the nearest era. Even lights out. The thing that that really scares me is that. I met gus when he was younger than i am now so that means one day. I will be gus age and that terrifies me. He's hot forty-three up. Forty three forty. I'll tell you anything. Just like just like barbados for probably pissed. You rounded up seven years. He might be he also might be the fact that i thought his middle name was ugly because i wanted i wanted his initials to spell out gusts and i couldn't think of a you name so i just said that. His mental new gleaned. So hopefully gus offended. That is amazing. Oh my god all right well. We have some guests on the show. Today we got kayla and merrill you've been on the podcast before so you're an old vet at this time. So he's a new. Yes newell guests hat barter. Happy to be here. Thanks thanks for being here. Thanks for filling in for gus. Both of you make one gus. Yeah oh yeah. If you add this up you divide by the lowest common denominator. We do equal one zero. That is how the math come out. I'm so new to get to get one middle aged mexican media a black lesbian mexican lesbian role. Those two together. Yeah because the two lesbians. Cancel out and then right. There's something i think it's like an exponent Gay i can't do that so it cancels out like it becomes straight. Yeah yeah a positive you know two years ahead. I don't know if we want to like plug your show right away or if we want to save it for the end but that'll make sure everybody likes me for so on a show the top bomb attached to it towards the end kayla right now okay go ahead chit chat how we can give me fs and chad. I'm doing just forty four. Can we get a pogo. How yes or no at a certain point in the podcast. Let's say like five forty five. Yeah we're going to ask for everyone's ratings and chat. They would write kayla based on that. We'll pluck your podcast and not in the us. I don't need that again. the trauma. oh we don't have to talk about. Listen do those hotter not like websites when you're a teenager or preteen or how. Whenever that thing came out. I didn't put myself on. There is someone else i mean. It's still participate in hot or not on like bachelor always does like stuff with the contestants. Oh they're blowing essence chat so many accidents f off guys didn't do i. Yeah i was just saying. I i still. I still participate in hot or not all the time. Like most the game three there is. I don't know if you guys know this about me. But i'm obsessed with insult culture. I knew i consider myself a scholar on insults and There were that's follow. Keep up with all the hot gas and One of them is called the glow in it is literally just lake girls. Sixteen to twenty one being like. Should i get like plastic surgery. You should finish going through puberty. You're just a child like no one. You're not supposed to be attractive at sixteen. I'm sorry that you're stink. You're supposedly the castle riverdale. But they're all thirty five and that's why you don't you in the boys at your school. Don't look like that. It's the most depressing thing i've ever seen. It might just like. Should i get rhino plas. You and i'm like that's your baby. Knows like you got all your face grow into it. You know but kids like that Like teenagers are so put together nowadays. I don't know it. It's so scary. It's instagram yeah. I guess it's like social media and like just being able to easily compare yourself except for like yeah not just the people go to school with but everyone in the fucking world here mia. I feel like middle school. You wanted to be cool. You look at the cool kid at your school. Do what they did you watch like mtv. I guess i dunno. I wasn't a cool or you like got a magazine that was updated once a month to tell you what was going on. And now everything changes every fifteen minutes and then also like you can just use your mom's like credit card that you saved on your macbook to buy whatever you want from forever twenty one so i feel like the kids are so much more like well together. Now because i'm like looking at looking at the thirteen will now is thirteen hours like mike camp shirt and a wearing it with my cargo pres in congress and this is a look. I'm a friend than kids. Today are just like my face is beat my mommy in cooler than you and i'm just like all right that's weird. I don't care for it. i was. This wasn't happening. it's true. I mean it's true though like back back in our day we had like seventeen magazine coonass. What was cool. And i remember getting seventeen magazine every every month and like reading it religiously and even reading going to the back end reading the sex column pieces that to your boyfriend like the best blow job of the world which is not advice. I ever needed to know but it was still something that i was like. Oh i need to go and check and see what the column is these days. And it's just like things are so accessible for children and for kids that they can and i think like that gen z is like my niece and my nephew and like all of my cousins kids like they all want to be youtubers not want to be a streamer. I want to be a youtube. I wanna do you to my six year. Old niece doesn't even know any like how to do but like anytime she records video or like mom records a video of her. She's always says. Hey guys like welcome back to my channel. Your sex life is one extended. Black mirror episode. I think we ought to come to terms with that That's the way. I think you're right kayla. I really think you're right. The more time goes on in the more is this pandemic goes on. I really feel like we're living in an episode of black mirror. It's honestly at this point. Where i'm at in twenty twenty one. If this was a movie a i'd be like that's a bit heavy handed in unbelievable. The writing sucks like i knew allegory. Before you're kinda hitting it on the news. I'm just like every you know everything just you know i can't i can't imagine like having my consciousness live on for all eternity crows. That seems like pure torture if if you could live forever but you have the option of doing yourself in any points. How long do you think how do you think you would go four hundred years so that just cool a day to fifty three hundred. Maybe a good lifespan for human. I feel because i at that point. You're like all right. I get it. I get i actually. It's funny he brings up gavin. I was literally having that conversation. Was trevor this weekend. Where i was just like man. I wish we could all be immortal and that we could just choose. I like to have the option to choose. Went to like end it. Because i don't think there's any more tortures than like being able to live forever but not gonna die ever. Yeah way too long. No way what also depends if i'm am i. The only one like erc does hannigan as long as a fan sale. You can choose five people to bring. Oh you i think. I everyone imagine a universe where everyone has it but then what do you do with the babies who become immortal and it's just so many people knows and you know what if there's a cab at three hundred. You're not dead. I think it would be midsummer. I think another stipulation though has to be you get to choose the age where you stop physically aging. Ooh right like that. That deaf. I missed the boat. I would have chosen like twenty four credit. I think it would be sad. Because i think a couple would want to go out at the same time. Like if you could just choose but then you'd have to propose people to be ready discuss it. It'd be like all those people in cults. Just drink the death juice every really rich with someone. You're gonna could notebook. It is what it's called right. No yeah never seen that. What happens should shy. Spoil it for you. I guess it's like twenty five older than me. I think not actually at the end of the movie if you haven't seen the notebook and you're listening to right now block your ears. Russian guys leak. They essentially fall asleep and die together at the same time. So if they do though there we'll because she like rabbits they're both sick. she's dying. I think he goes to lie down with her and then they just both pass away at the same time that happened in real life. I actually just heard a story yesterday about a couple who were high school sweethearts. And they both contracted cova did and they both passed away within nineteen hours of each other. Oh god so. I mean it's tragic but it's really like rabbits people say that you can die of a broken heart and i mean. That's like carrie fisher right on days later. Her mom dies. Yeah yeah because she was like okay. Well what's the point of me being here. I believe it. It's you know if your body or your solar or whatever you wanna call it is kind of just fighting to keep going and then you lose the person you love the most and that need just kind of like stop fighting. Stop the will to live kind of thing. And i don't know it's tragic but kind of beautiful or you can't see didn't take long enough to get her drunk. That's for them. That's for the rising and moon. I just got sunshine sunshine's Instantly and that was impressive. Thank you i wish. I didn't tell you gavin so that you wouldn't that you'd be able to guess this past. Oh now. I don't know that an hour wouldn't be long enough fearful talk about astrology. We have learned the hard way. Charlotte aqap fios cancer. Love of my life. god. I love that woman. That's it that's all. I was gonna say i was just thinking about field is fine. Hey guys it's barbra not gus. But i'm here to tell you that this episode of the rooster teeth podcast is sponsored by stamps dot com. One thing i've learned over the is that the internet is even more awesome than we thought. Groceries online movies online doctors visits online. And of course going to the post office online with stamps dot com stamps. Dot com allows you to mail and ship anytime anywhere right from your computer. Send letters ship packages and pay a lot. Less with discounted rates from usps ups. An more was dams dot com. 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Like like like we're gonna let spend the next two hundred and fifty years together and then yet notebook it right right at the end i mean hand and i always say like we would not be able to live without each other like one hundred percent like if something happens to her. You got twenty four hours to say good-bye to me. Because i'm out there's no point. Yeah is that something. You may talk about doc. It's very dark down this already enough down as may maybe maybe when things the nicer better the world yes it's true. Found that out speaking knocked it out of the park about one is it is it. Is it apocalypse time. It's apocalypse time. Ice lips puckered life. I've been calling popo because I refuse called the pandemic of the pandemic the pani. So i figured i could shorten this one to call it the oppo. It was okay so basically I wasn't in austin proper. I was like an hour. South in this tiny tiny town called wimberly of in an airbnb. Eh 'cause sometimes you just gotta get out of town too much hustle bustle. Sometimes you wanna get drunk in place. That isn't your own living room someone else's living room that you're paying two hundred dollars to stay in So i was in this airbnb in. Are we supposed to be there from thursday to sunday. So check out sunday morning amount if you notice about sunday morning but everything was covered in ice. I've never scraped ice off my windshield before i had to do if i don't have an ice scraper because elon in buck in texas. Why would they have one so they did was the airbnb had lake one of those lake like to chop meat so like another knife but like the little like blade thing you use that to scrape the ice off my window. I had to fucking kick off my tires. It was terrifying Try to pull out of the driveway in my tires to spin because spin on the ice. Because it's a slight incline. It's fucking like ten degree inclined. Mike no Fiona had also try was with fianna. She had also tried to leave. Her car ended up in a ditch on the side of the road. She had to lake hitchhike back. It was a whole thing then. Ship couldn't make it down the hill because they'll also airbnb was like in the middle of fucking nowhere. So it's all these whiny hilly roads and we're at the bottom of a hill so the dude. I can't take you down there. So she dropped her off at the top of the hill ship. Like walk down a. We ended up being stuck in there from sunday until have friday morning Okay so we didn't have enough food. We literally turn away all the food because we were like. We're going home so like i am. I had go out into the trash. Can and i was able to salvage like half about pancake mix. We had fifteen potatoes. A bag of brussels sprouts in like a like half of a thing spear of asparagus. Are it here. We go l. in like a quarter of a bottle of tequila. That's really important. Thank on i was gonna say all novel nod enough. I'll tell you that there was also a hot tub sick But hot zone work. When there's no power which is we were going through. They were doing like rolling blackouts so we were like two hours of power. Six hours of no power to our power. Don't know what's going to happen So that happened. You're running at the food We couldn't use the heat because they were out of propane because we were running with fireplace all weekend because it was cold in its vacation and then like was. He realized we were stranded. The dude is like okay. You guys ran the fireplace lot. So you're downs like the tank down fifteen percent So no heat. You can't use the fireplace in the stove. You can use the stove. E can't use the oven so between that the power going out and not having food shit got it got. It could have been worse. I was not sober time on different substances so like it was like more fun than it probably could have been otherwise and then lake. There was one day during the week where it got warm enough. No actually. I think what happened was. Snow came in like insulated the ground so it kept it from freezing over the next day and you're able to make it to an heb. So i was able to buy groceries unlike the fourth day that we were stuck in this fucking airbnb so we were able to get through. That wasn't potatoes asparagus. Brussel sprouts eventually did. Fiona starts look like cartoon west ham because of the sure because of the hunger and then like there was a point like i went and got the food Was obviously they. Were clear that the meat so the only meat that i could buy was like these fucking ice spent seventy dollars on four naming yawns because that was the only made that was in to lamb shanks. They couldn't even cook. 'cause you gotta slow cookham. 'cause the meat so tough but you can't slow cook when the propane is down the five percent so I think our second to last day we were down two percent propane tank and the dude was like yo. Somebody's coming tonight. they're filling. they're filling it back up like at least halfway you guys to turn the heat on. We didn't have hot water the entire time. I've never been so we had the we had this big pot that up until that point we've been using to make pasta in Or potatoes or whatever And we were boiling water in this pot and taking it up to the shower upstairs because it was like the warmest floor because the heat was rising in warming the tiles of the shower on the floor and just like bathing out of this boiled pot of water. It was disgusting. Kayla are you okay. No excuses they. They had trauma. Yeah we bonded so that's cool and then like oh trauma bonded. Luckily for me. My dad has like my desk. Got fucking lake. He's always ready for everything. I'm always ready for things. Like i had like a generator in my car. I had like water ahead. Snacks like bow was good. I had lake. I had gotten new tires the day before. I drove there because i was just like. I'm going to a different city. One of my tires. Slow leak just get new tires of thank god. They did that because without those think we were able to each be it lake. It was fine. I'm fine you got pissed off with each other. No that's the crazy part. We just got closer. I physically closer to stay warm. Oh yeah there was a point where it's just like it's like everybody just like under a blanket like on the couch and it was just like we're all going to have to sleep in one bed that one point lead and get to that Yeah okay so it could have been worse. You sent hannah message and you said i can't remember what exactly it was. But you are basically like were stranded. We can't get back to austin. Like and fiona his car. It's not working. We can't get outta here. And so i kept on texting you and checking in with you because i like. I think you described it perfectly earlier where it's like you're watching a horror movie and like the first fifteen minutes of like you know this teenage horror movie like a fucking party or like this like just amazing environment and then like something happened if you're all literally literally the transition okay. I want to set up the good part. I because you need to know how dramatic of a change was. It was thursday silverlake fiona literally she had just done. The megan thee stallion streamlined. We were fucking. Everybody was like she came in the house. Early fuel you fucking disneyworld one degree away from megan thee stallion now like you killed that shit. Here's my my laptop Taking screen shots during the stream. And i have a folder that says fiona slash megan. That's like ninety screenshots though it took during the stream really on the solution really through the bala champagne celebrate her playing of megan thee stallion the next day we were like tobin in it was like missile so lynn i was like you'll be beacon We made a whole pack of bacon for breakfast. Just because we could make pancakes eggs. Look it was lit the things in your mind off do brussels sprouts and tequila. I was so angry. I was like a couple bacon that day. I threw out through slices of bacon. And then there's another one where it's just like damn. We had the fucking. I threw out that. We could the hat that i'm just like that's gone. He do took the trash out the second last day. So we lost that stuff like it was. I was so it was like the rolodex of like hedonism that that was going through in my mind. I was like you know if we hadn't eaten that whole tray of double stuff oreos in one day could have double sets oreos right now like it was the juxtaposition of the first four days to the last five days was like i literally was like. This is the part where we get power for an hour in return on the news and they're like local asylum gotta power goes out and all the everybody got out and there's an ax murder loose in related unrelated. The home depot has been robbed of precisely three axes but those things are completely unrelated worrying about it. More at ten in the power goes out again. I was foot lake. They're like these big windows. No i can't look out that window. Do there's going to be a man. And i'm not gonna be able to handle any of that and i'm just gonna there are points like every time the power i'm like the one most have right now is whenever the ac kicks off. I'm like the power is out because that was like the signal was like you'd hear like the home of the ac in Dead silence which is like want to. I want to read this text message. Yeah go between us. This is monday night at eight pm. Said how are you up. You said our powers out again said bro. What have you been eating and you said pussy mostly would say for way that he said but we also have five potatoes and a half pack of spurious left. It's dire bro. That sounds like neat. So i'm just so happy that you guys survived and that you're still here to tell the tell and you know you. You had a great time. Obviously and you know who else had a great time during the snowpack ellipse crews ted cruz cruised on through. He crews on through yet a time. Back in the case of water into someone's trucks us. Here's a coming back. He should have been quarantining. That's the whole thing with travel right now. If you travel internationally you have to come back in quarantine for fourteen days so like does he. Okay this thing could do that. There's so many things there's that there's The throwing kids under the bus along with his ugly wife. I didn't say it trump did. There's also the part where in the fucking pictures just like. God damn everybody's got these fucking lines at. Heb all the way down the road. Eight blocks down the road weirdly empty parking lot for this photo. Shoot to be happening in. Also that women only has has nothing in the trunk of her car except this one case sunny shit water dasani the worst water in the world of the sanni. Shit water that. You're loading into her car for this fucking photo-op it's probably just some woman that they hired from casting website in like one of the staffers car that they pulled into some empty lake fucking abandoned parking lot do this photo shoot in and if you look in the if you look if you look in the reflection of the windshield you can see how empty the parking lot is. If you look through the windows you can see how into the parking lot is and how does that help to put one exactly one case of you that he did worse. Pr than after houston flooded in beyond say went down to the food kitchen and was like given out plates to people are like old church like that is like what he thought he was doing. I fully just made him so look so much worse like it. When it's like when people like li- online for like cloud will make up an obviously fake story Much worse because he put his own shitty photo evidence. I like to imagine he dumped. The case of war just went jokes to position of like him late doing this. Empty hint. this empty-handed full handed gesture versus like fucking Afc like anyway so we like raise all this money and help bullies old people in like every time. Something crazy insanely of beto brew. I earlier today sitting here. My office working and i got like a knock on the full who has been on my door. There's like no. Don't don't fucking knock on my door to pandemic get out of your answer it. So i answered. It's just lovely young woman and she says hey. I'm with powered by the people. That name sounds familiar. She's like i just like going through the neighborhoods and making sure that like people are doing. Okay do you have watered. You have power. And i was like. Oh yeah absolutely like thank you so much for checking on. She went on her. Merry way. I was like power people. I've heard that before. Where have i heard that before. I google it. It's better aerobics like organization or whatever so he's has volunteers like not just like helping people distributing stuff like literally going house by house by house in these neighborhoods. You good helms. Like you need anything. You need water checking on people. Wow oh yeah. I am for donations or anything like that. I live in a neighborhood. That's like a bunch of old hispanic people. So i think that's probably why they're making sure that like these people who may not have had access to internet or whatever doing okay but But yeah i think I i don't know we can eric's hanging out. Eric are you here I have ted cruz. Children been dealt with yet ted cruz. Evil daughters have not been dealt with will be dealt with swiftly when they are back from cancun but so far is evil daughters are still on the loose. I can't believe they have no further enthused and control them is going to control those greedy. Little can't believe that those ten ten year old that twelve year old girl would bully their dolt father into going to cancun when his constituency or freezing when they're at the left the dog behind snowflake is true. The ultimate irony okay but ultimately like a. It was a scary situation. And i'm glad that you're okay. Glad that it's definitely my perspective on how to prep for certain fully And like become a bit of a doomsday augher. How was your experience. Mine was mine was great. i got very. I got very very lucky. In terms of not We only lost power for a few hours. And we got it back for the rest of the time and then We were under the boil notice or whatever but the nice thing was that we had some friends who i think still today. They still don't have water. I think they got power back like yesterday or maybe saturday. So they went like the longest without We were able to go and pick them up In our lesbian subaru portmanteau. Yeah and pick them up bring them over here and so they came over with their cat and we were like camping out for a few days and it's just like i mean you don't think about it but it's it's definitely a traumatic situation especially like we were very fortunate and i'm very happy that we were able to help a bunch of people And like you know. Donated to places and actually like before the freeze on thursday night and i had gathered a bunch of kids that we had and socks and start like warm weather stuff and went and donated it to austin mutual aid It was kind of like after we did like the first day when we were like out of power and we didn't think it was ever gonna come back on for a while. We were like can kind of wish. We had those inside like those socks went to get out for here. And i mean the best thing and i think it's it always happens in in these kinds of situations these disaster situations. Is that like you know. Like in mr rogers said it. Best like look for the helpers because there's always going to be helpers and there were there was there was like i have friends who own like super small restaurant here in town and they literally just started feeding people like they were other businesses were sponsoring meals. Anyone could come and grab a hot meal if they were able to get there like people raising money. Austin mutual aid was like literally going to the camps in austin. Because there's a lot of camps where on house people live and like knocking on tents and she'd be like we have a bunch of hotel rooms like please come with us like you cannot survive. It's too cold and they were so it's it's frustrating that we have a really incompetent people in government that do have the power to like do something and then they fuck off to mexico but then it is really just incredibly heartwarming and just like really really great to see people just go above and beyond to help you complete stranger. It is pretty remarkable. How disasters like this really as you said. Bring out like you find some really amazing people through hardships like that. Helpers specifically but like with tragedy comes that kind of beauty of seeing like the power of people and like what people will do for each other in that kind of situation but yeah fuck it was. It was a a also fricking crazy week tower the whole week we we lost we lost power and it stayed off for about eighty five hours. I was freaking. I actually took a screenshot of the my thing is that when fine. That's that's celsius for comparison today. Backup to twenty-three three. Is that seventy five. Or so nice. I jumped by like sixty something degrees it a few days. Yeah it was freezing. Every every plot own is dead. It's weird because i've been in the cold before. Like i think i've been in code places but i've never been so cold in my life in a place that i lived never gets out of your body cold inside outside perpetual cold and i lived in england for like twenty one years and i don't think i was ever that cold and thankfully i had gas thankful that a fireplace. Just keep them one by that. And i was very lucky in my occupation. I have a bunch of weird stuff like like to power. The phantom camera you can buy professional battery. That will run the camera for like four minutes. But it'll cost like eight hundred dollars for some reason. So i just bought these camping batteries. I use out in the corey Six of them. So i was actually pretty good on being a charge of phones and obvious casually parrying up the internet so we could communicate with outside world. Try to download a little film every night on my ipad into on download. A film on netflix turn-ins offer that we were just sit in front of the phone as normal as possible. 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And then i was worried that like a cat my jump in so i was like i'm gonna put the cold and i and i was like i in it was like a lotta that allowed up then. I put in my boiling war which took like four or five minutes to boil. Because there's so much of it. My god it in messed up the ratio completely. It was way to cold and it and it didn't even get over my hipbones what i was lying down. I'm trying to splash around my junk stuff and flop over hours freezing and i had to like quickly rid itself with cold. War had no had no heating or anything and i just stopped by the fires shivering. Like i hope it out just what it was. It was like just a different level of thinking of like. Oh this sucks like oh. We've got to stay alive if enron our food or like he. We have to go somewhere else. Yeah well. it's funny. Because i gaven i. I was texting people throughout just to like check on them. Kayla don't have your number which is widened texture. I promise it's understandable but like just to make sure people were ok and i texted gavin at one point. Let me find the text message. Made me laugh out loud. But i felt so horrible at the same time. I was like you guys doing okay. He responds with third day without power. Getting used to wiping my arse by phone late. I laughed so hard at that. And i feel awful. It's why i had to go for the bath. Because i was there. There were unverified wipes towards the end. You're hoping for the best. But there's no way iphone in one hand ball grow in the other hand. And i i was blown away by how quickly you adjust to the situation like day one. I'm in light switches. Nothing's happening i'm like. Oh yeah the powers are trying to do idiot. The powers of day three completely used to it by the time the power came on. I did like two ships in the dog. What i needed. I was already used to it again. Dogs why do now when you should in the dark lashley like like at the toilet paper to see like how much like what are you doing after your wife. Yeah okay. i heard there were like tricks. You could do where you put a flashlight or phone light in like a either a jug or like a A tupperware container and it helps to disperse the light over the room. Could you have done that okay. I wasn't trying to make terminent changes. I was hoping it was going to be over a little bit. Sooner in the main room like we had some pre serious games of monopoly in mousetrap. And scrabbling stuff. Shit cut out. Then you froze for your cameras. Little choppy yeah. I don't know what's going on. Yeah plans to like monopoly and stuff but also yeah with with. Slung is coming in handy again. I have ridiculous lights like. Do you remember that. I had that was like the brightest flashlight in the world. Yeah i remember is designed to run it like a hundred thousand lumens for a few minutes but it will run at like seven hundred lumens for hours so we would mobile lamp. But i didn't take into the ship. Seemed a little bit yourself. Cook my off. Yeah you blast out your cornea without completely. Yeah i another thing. I was getting very angry. At of being people being the suicide woman from star trek who i think we everyone at rooster teeth like jumped on and was like go. Fuck yourself because she was basically like. I don't even remember what her name was. I don't think he's acted in a while but Basically she was just like. I like i wanna feel bad for texas but the mean girl in me like it. Because they're like a red state which is just such any real fucked up mentality to have because first of all no matter your political affiliation you do not deserve to freeze to death And at that dot mentality is just so incredibly frustrating but like it's just such a privilege thought and such like. Oh well you know. They're not voting. The way i want them to. And it's like well people are trying but they're not allowed to in most cases So that was super frustrating. A thing that was really Another heartwarming thing. Anything a few people. I think john dante tweeted about it Rooster teeth handled this situation. I think with such grace in such like love and support of for their employees. That like i was truly like because Jordan's a wonderful person. We're led by really really wonderful people but it was very like kind of affirming to be like. Oh this is a really great company And they really do care because like they kept out updates me like hey like no one's working today don't do anywhere just survive. That's like what you're supposed to do today. And then i think like tuesday or wednesday jordan which is no work for the week. I was like updates every day. Two of there are so many people were. I don't know what i should be doing right now. I don't even know what to do to take care of myself and so having those updates to be like. Hey this is you know what's going on today. This is the plan for tomorrow. And yeah i think it was like wednesday or thursday. Maybe that wednesday night. I think we're jordan was like yeah no more work for the rest of the week. Just focus on you and your family and stuff like that and not only that not only was it like. Hey don't worry about what we're doing here. But they also. I think it was. Jeff yetter basically started this like google submission sheet where you could like submit if you needed anything like if you needed a place to stay if you needed food if you needed water like transportation you know anything. Come in you know comment here like wool. We can't promise we'll we can help you but we'll try and do everything we can and it's just like i think mutual aid whether it's you know you know company driven or community driven is so important and i think like just like we're going to save ourselves you like ted cruz isn't going to come down into superman shirt shit. You didn't protect his wife. He's going to protect and save us. Like afc my bet. Oh my i think You know it's just it's it's really incredible to see people come together and and Be super helpful. And then i started thinking about like i started getting really like introspective and kind of being some deep thinking and also just like i used to watch the walking dead ally and so i was like where we're do. People hit the point where they will do anything they can to help. Someone like that end like where does like the like. How long does it crisis have to go on. Before people start turning on each other. I thought you were going to ask. How long does this last until people literally start becoming zombies when you made it represents were close. I think. I think maybe another day or two you. We don't know how the virus is affected by extreme cold temperatures so sh- canada this whole time too. So that's been yeah. yeah yeah. Parents aren't samis quite yet. Also got interrupt very important business you attend to. Its past five forty five now. We got our voting on kayla kayla. What's the vibe what what just by check have to please. I need it. I think we got vote. Yeah okay. I'm gonna give you a twelve out of ten. Oh shit that's so. Many that will make all the negative sixes. i get. let's go. Let's keep it rolling. I just wanna. I wanted to make sure it was balanced. Because i'm anticipating a lot of like really low scores. Yeah rushes out there. I didn't realize it was that ten. I was just gonna say yes sounds absolutely sick. Mariam's i'm gonna go eight at ten okay like for improvement. But that's because I feel like we know each other and be real with each other. No you're right you're eight. I agree it is getting dirk. Scott kayla had to just lines bit her her gain on her camera because she doesn't have the greatest blinds as we found out at the beginning of the podcast so when it was bright at five o'clock right no longer anymore yet to adjust and now it's just like it's falen on. Yeah just looking at my cats. don't mind me. Apollo is one of the most beautiful cats. I've ever seen is. He's very handsome behind you as well maryl- yeah that's cashew. She's been sleeping there for the past six hours software west. Ima pants up another jussie. No kayla the chat has blown up. They love you all the by check. Think wildly just under appreciating you. All i gotta say here's my little boy a massive cat. Is that a really big cat. Or if he's he's rolling along kahlil is also real small also five to i know yeah she it so follow every time i see apollo which has been not recently unfortunately but i always look at him and one like if i was a cat and a street cat like apollo is kinda i would go for. He's just like he's kind of be lake kind of like a Like atoned be you know. She's also very our name for a cat to he's hollow. Oh my god. I got him. Okay so there's this cat. I liked at a p et. Couldn't gather 'cause. I wouldn't be able to adapt to her special needs that was going to name her ornaments. And then i found the paulo and i was l. name at its boil named after the other the twin and then i found out. He's a sagittarius. I'm not supposed to talk about strategy. he's In the sign for the sides deteriorates is the arrow in apollo is the god of archery. And if you don't think charlotte israel explain that spy you can. You can just works too well if my lights on. 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Dot com slash rooster e. x. p. r. e. s. s. vpn dot com slash rooster. Go to express vpn dot com slash rooster to learn more about your show. Oh fucking bokan. Yeah my show okay. So basically like Okay so full. I'm to get like a full journey. Our in sales Allow the my job is like was on boarding all of our podcasts partners on the roost in basically it'd be like week sleek are a this is the new show The podcast is these two ideas in. They've got eighteen million subscribers. You've never heard of them and they've been caught podcasting for five years and i'm like how does this keep happening. I without i would literally be looking at this i. I've never heard of these people. They have such a massive following. They look exactly like the last two guys who just signed so I jokingly was. Do i started doing this bit with a theon zoe or i'd talk about lake I'd be like a podcast on the call. It to average white guys but the podcast is going to be like me and like now the white man. It's going to be funny. That was my bid. I would always do one day. I was like. Maybe i should actually do that. So i kinda flushed out the idea and it became. Well we're going to call it. Give it to me straight But legal said no for a myriad of reasons and the joke was going to be that it was this podcast. There was there was like a lot of there was like other things named that. Yeah like not as to rate name. I know especially with the premise. Being oh Mark and. Brian didn't show up so now all associations have to take over ucs lesbians. That was my second idea. They also said no. It's fine so so basically. The premise of the podcast is. I'm the producer for this long running. Podcast it's been going on for ten years called no dumb answers with mark and brad because i figured that to Heterosexual white men would think that if they made a podcast that they answer questions on the could not have any answers because there are only dumb questions And it's basically like a joe rogan barstool type parity but every episode of mark and. Brad can't make it to the office for a various reason. So at the top of the show. It's like it says it's kayla what happened mark and brad could make until the office today Actually i just got a text from them in owned by god. It looks like a boulder fell in front of their truck. Much lake much like in a video game as they were coming back from the mountains of colorado. So they're not gonna be able to make it to the studio today but instead of skipping a week and you guys having not having episode. I gathered some people from around the office to fill in for them. So let's hope this goes well. And that's every episode. That's the that's the gist. Of merrill is one of the co hosts other one is my wife zooey She's on my real life. She's like my emotional life my heart wife and we're just gonna have gone from rt. Maybe not from our t to play other characters from like other podcasts. At our lake it's basically the roost. Fake so one of the the brew boys. And it's like in a gamer channel. And like every time we record like the fucking a ruckus alike will be in the middle of a recording. And then you'll just hear like a crash. It's just like okay. It looks like a during a game of extreme table top frisbee pong One of the boys has accidentally busted the wall of booth. And we're gonna we're going to have him come and guess now i guess and then just have whoever that person playing that character is coming like being the guests on the episode We're going to have a lot of segments. My favorite thing to do is get drunken text. Mariel like segment idea. What did i tell you. Texted me like hot girl. Gas station which stocks are girls. Snacks like okay asking people what their this is actually stolen from a friend of mine asking people what like what's their goto convenience store snack on a road trip and then rating if it's a hot girl snacker not yeah hawker or not yeah Another segment idea. The i pitched scenario was a segment called pleasing. Daddy where we talk about what we're watching on. Hbo max only the refer to warnermedia as daddy have only referred. I did i did it to my house. Slacking nadia my bosses were they. That is asking. I was like i'm so sorry warnermedia's asking i have thought calling them. Daddy i'm gonna see it in the. I'm going to see it in a meeting with an hbo person. That's embarrassing. on warning media is daddy. At and t. is papa. The difference is important important. So yeah so we're going to do a bunch of them segments over a reoccurring segment called uninformed where i get a very lake. The crazy topic. That i'm sure. No one has heard of a nice kind of like talk them syria On our like. We did a pilot episode talked about in was it was truly like the one of the most educational things i've ever been a part of has like here's the thing with kayla kayla's hilarious obviously We know this It's been proven time and time again and finally we are having her Starshine so so far. The toyota ten star like an insane person who cannot like. You can't just give kayla like a thing and be like. Oh here's this thing. Like keila has to know every single little thing about this thing and then she will come and she will teach you every little thing about that thing that you learn and so yeah i have it's called Having adhd and getting hyperbolic stations. You quit your job in sales not watching so now i would never listen. T. pg tommy. You got close to the money. But i learned that. I learned god. Save money. what does that mean. Gotta stay close to the money money. Money enough okay. Understand wait hold on wait. Let me do you think. He's in the chat gusty close to the money and mike apparently feel like. There's a lot that you lose a working from home. But i think the biggest thing missing from my life is the interactions like you have. I missed so much sometimes. We'll be doing a brainstorm thing and i'll put out like an idea. There isn't mediocre and sometimes humorous. Look at him stepping stuff. What we'll do that just yet rated I like when you say something early. Like when he's got an idea and he's just like you've got some fucking hot flavors fucking go do something flay go the if anyone makes analogies better than. He's the best like there needs to be a coffee table book with all the analogies. He's made references. He's made explain who that is. By the way. Yeah tim tim. Gdp fucking the guzzling man himself He's a he's a he's also sales he hired me to Actually he's he used to be my boss before he became. He's like seller now. I'm in the account management team. Now that needs to nothing. Anyone watching us He used to be my boss. Yeah it's fine it silly basically Yet he hired me on Like three years ago and he just lakes His job was basically. Like if you've ever seen like a a brand deal for research youth and it's like a crazy thing fields. Rtx needed like the stupor moonball activation or like. You're like how the hell did camille nanjiani get on like a gte stream with achievement hunter. That was like his job So yeah he super bowl. He's like a boston dude in any winter. Like college like california's. He's got the most interesting accent that i now have He's also gardner. He's also landed dad. He's got to use our data to another durable and he fucked do he's like i've never seen anyone enjoy being a dad. Were the tim. It's adorable in makes my heart. I think i think werner likes being a dad a little more. Who daddy daddy. Oh yeah warranted like that anymore. There was one time. This was back when i used to work in broadcasting. This was a few years ago. I remember. Tv g k. O to me. And i didn't know him that. Well but i that's when i decided i love him forever and he was just like thought about doing podcast on the moon. Yeah that sounds about right. I thinking that happens before saying the idea to classic i to immediately because i was i feel like my relationship with sales was never anything special. You like we'd like do a deal and then it'd be over always have like some sort of drunken meal at wherever we were shooting but then style and he was just like wanna hang out like capela or something else like damn. Yeah whatever us go out for drinks. They just want to ask you. What of input. Yeah we just hung out probably my newest friend that quite a while ago you gotta make friends more often. Yeah i guess the point whereas of effort you have to like sessile an old friend to make room for a new gavin has his top aide. Barb at another one he has to take someone been friends for like what twenty years. At this point we could turn out to. I say actually known as a new friend. I'd like pretend friendship. And now i text more than anyone else. Probably in my entire. She didn't text you to see how you were doing during the blackout. We have bursts of texting. Okay we'll also be here. We had no power church. It was rough or why fight. This fight was one that we had had our no wifi. I fiona So basically i remember one time. Lewis came off audit to the singer. He'd come into the sales office. Because i guess technically he worked with us and he just my desk and he put his feet up on my desk and he'd be like all right. I need your opinion need pulled out this phone in you just started showing me like female twitch streamers and he was like i think i'm going to hire one of these girls on the hunter and i was like oh cool. Let me see. You're going through and i was like. Oh i know i know the streamer. She's super cool. Oh i know that costs way or super cool and he showed me fianna. I was like it. Was like olex knows ashley brooklyn will but like. I would never talk to her. And he was like why not. I don't know. She seems like really pretty like she might be mean to me and then i think it was the rt lake anniversary party. I was like lake tipsy off. The heart seltzer in the stage. Five kitchen happens in the kitchen. And i was trying to get like a little snack. Snack snacking some weather. It's Because i had to go back to work And she was sitting alone in the kitchen eating like the tiny bag of like famous amos and she had on the whitest shoes i had seen in my entire life and i walked through knowsley. Doodoo shoes are so fucking bright right now and then we fall in love in like now we're married in it's great. It's a beautiful. Forget it so. I ll Fiona is the best the best. I don't there's. I don't think there's a single person at rooster teeth. Who doesn't love via. Now she's like everyone sister slash wife's daughter slash everything fully. She's package sister a few honest to like give you a moment to like talk about her for a little bit. How much time do we don't have time to start crying. I will start dying. One time i was just thinking about the the. There's a point in the pani where Everything was like on super lockdown rather like super afraid as opposed to now we were all just eating open facing restaurants. Apparently that's a thing now And i have missed her so much. I would just like play episodes. G maude while i was working so i can hear him because i mr so like when we were still fully hanging on zoom like once a week but i was just like we used to hang on all the time. We can kidney. bq. I didn't realize how much i missed a little face when about to squeeze her face or anything it's nice. It's nice to see her real head in real life and i see the money and we did extre life at it was it was. I'm so excited to see people's faces against aqap bloody wait. It's we're coming up on a year sally. Such crazy like marches in a few days. What the that was also like last month. Tim you see you see what i posted on instagram. I fired up animal crossing for the first time. Oh no since like may mailbox at bail at it and it know send sell for the future. Yeah it was tragic at read to myself in may if you have a hope still stuck at home with covert or cord ever from past gov and i read it. I was like that's sad. Isn't it down. Do i think the most fucked up thing blake time line wise about the pay. Anything that i've heard a friend say is a zoe. She said a couple of weeks ago she would is like. I've been working from home longer than i ever worked in the office off. Yeah that true. Yeah 'cause we had higher. We hired her in lake. Yeah no that's crazy. She's she hasn't been here for two years then. I thought i i for sure. Thought she'd been here though. She just been here forever because she feels like she's been part of me. That's true same energy one brain cell between the two of us. It's tragic that that's your heart wife right. Yeah they're both my heart wives of your work wife then. Zoe is also my work wife. Okay yeah What am i order your one of your my very young mother. I call i call you enhance that cold handle like mama. H all decide. That's true. I think you have that. Her in your phone is that we. I think we did take on like especially right before the pandemic gathering to be gay and watch the real or not the real award over generations q. elway generation key and it really was like we were. We were our hens in our hen. House sold macy's coming and Being gay together and the one day we'll all that was like again but thousand. The bus like totally so my life or however many eight however many episodes that was because it was just like is like every sunday i'd be like going to marry Carpooling pooling am. I gonna drive. It's we're gonna get there. Who's going to be there. Snacks drinks in the Show ended and then we were. We were we were like yo. The show airs in like march. We can get back to it and then the pani habit that it was just like. Yeah yeah i've made the mom. I made the mistake of watching a bunch of travel blogs in my downtime. Because it's like that's something. I miss the most in the last like year of not doing. I regret it so much. I can't stop watching them. But i'm just like this is making me so depressed because this low is people currently traveling. It's so it's this couple karen nate. Watch them the most. They have a whole blog series of them going to a hundred different countries. It's really fascinating because they cover everything the you know. Airport lounges. Different hotels different like experiences in terms of Like really cheap way to travel and also like really nice ways of traveling so you get kind of like the whole spectrum of things currently the last year. they've been doing A van tour so they just bought a van and essentially have been traveling around that way so mary interesting but also makes me really. I didn't realize how much i would miss being on an airplane until i watched like one hundred videos of people on airplanes. And i'm like vergara i will say aesthetically. You could absolutely be van. Life flogger like is extremely believable. I'm looking like at your beanie in your hair right now. And i'm just like if you literally like just like like green screen like fucking like airstream behind you. I'd be like oh. I watch this content. Oh you locked it. The bed in their. That's sick oh your bookshelves are also steps. Up to the lofts love it. A the tiny lashes. Dancing me to do this. Because i watched and i go. You travel vlogger. I'm the i'm gonna pitch it goes. We almost did we. Would you bring you all hip. Wiggle thing that you. Would you bring that with you on your travels. Was that thing like an ankle thing. That bullet cut down. Was that i. I was trying not to talk about it. This podcast because i got shit on my the spending my money on something that i wanted to buy a house. I bought something. It's now utah. Whatever it's called the ci machine maryland kayla. Have you guys heard about this is not. I don't think i'm i won't get too much into it because i talked about it last week. And people didn't like me talking about this but it's a machine where you lie down and you put your ankles into it and it moves your ankles back and forth and you. There's variable speed that you could choose from but it doesn't number of things it like a real lines your spine it loosens up kind of various joints or whatnot helps. Drain your lymphatic system. It helps elevate your your feet which is good for you to a number of different benefits and i was talking about it last week and i got on because it's it's not a cheap product and i also like i'm i'm going to see if there's any benefits for me. Why not. It sounds interesting barbara. what's in carbon. You're you are a bad bitch. You get you deserve to spend it however you wanna spend it but let me ask you do you have it now. I do have it. I do want to see it. I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it at google and looking at it. Okay do you think if this brain works. I saw this knows like how could i recreate this with no money. I'm thinking do if i were to place my ankles in two two pairs of but cheeks how this thing is set up right. Setup has yesterday so they sit wedged in burying the cheeks right. Yeah i can see. He'll anus. Yeah and then whoever it is just gives me a little legal wing. Yeah a little wiggle. I don't know how long it runs. Maybe trash hashtag circles by meghan. I wonder if you could get the kind of the same with tension squeeze barbara diogo bad back. I do based off the way. I'm sitting the fucking dog chair. Hunched over you know that you will not you directly. But you through. Trevor's Lake trevor i was trevor about. How shit my back was. Because when i was stuck in my parents house all a house in eight dollar wouldn a chair to sit down at my desk for a month and it fucked me up so bad because my back is already bad ever herniated this have many elements of and he was like. Oh barbara actually just got This trip thing. And i was like fucking by which also you can pay for with your flexible spending account or your hsa so technically not out of pocket untaxed money. It's real estate popular back on. Oh yeah yeah. It's it's a wheel so essentially operates like it's perfectly width wise. The with between your shoulder blades of your back so it sits between your shoulder blades. And you just kind of roll back onto it and it's such a night stretch. Their comes in three different sizes. I'm not selling me back every time every time i've never i need a deeper back. Pop like okay so mullen pops at the least in the small one is the deepest lake back popping. You can get there good. Tensions based off the size so. Yeah the spa link me because also have a shit bad back. It was recently my birthday on friday. thank you. i'm a twenty nine. Never thought i'd live to see the day twenty nine hundred and one of the greatest song ever got. Thank you tomorrow. gloomy laugh. love live laugh. love One of the greatest gifts i've ever gotten hannah was like okay for your birthday to go anywhere. We can't do anything. I'm going to give you a ninety minute. Massage and matt and i was like hold on hold on. I love this. I love this idea. But i wanna make the most out of this. Can i get to forty. Five minute massages. You know one on one day one on the other and she was like oh absolutely so. I already got one and it was amazing. So it's going to get my second one. It's do you guys do you guys are you. Are you massages with your partners are you. What's what's the situation there. Because i we always do a thing that we like to call sixty nine mitch's rubbing our definition of it And or we will do timers so like we'll set you know we'll watch the show for twenty minutes. Are her back for twenty minutes. She'll rub my feet we switch but it's just something so beautiful about like mutual like okay like i use. Scratch my back. I will literally scratchers right back. you know. yeah we're not. We don't really like spend a lot of time massaging each other. Because we have a hyper volt. So we'll just do. I don each other. Since it's like my such weak hands that my fingers get really tired after massaging for a long time trevor. Though if i have a headache was often do because of my shitty terrible posture and back hill. All your slaying at a screen all day. Yeah yeah this is a lot of factors slot vitalize her but he might do but cheeks. I shake my feet in. He will get my traps me. Like he'll massage those nice and deep and he's very good at that and my headache will go away in like a minute of that. I often don't need a lot just that so mary. Now that you have four or five minutes left you think just to make you lost your split it into two sessions within that or you're gonna go for point because i i like my feet getting they used to hate foot rose because my feet were always so ticklish. But for some reason. I don't know if it's hanna. Or if it's like what it is but my feet have gotten like way less ticklish until i broke it up into forty five so i can get fifteen minutes of my back and then fifteen minutes on each foot and we went to. We even went to target and got massage oil. Because don't do it with you. Guys don't massage lotion. Pills doesn't feel great massage. Correct sitting to warm my hands up my hands too cold too. Good job gavin general. I have to like if i'm gonna get involved in that. I got on my hands for like ten minutes. And then they go numb. It's strangers giving. I'd get jealous of yourself. Why did you like what i'm doing. It hands trying to give him a song. Slip it on oil. What else do you get your birthday. The anything else split massage. I got the sunshine which i was super excited about. You know after all of that. And yeah i mean. I don't know i wasn't like it so my family usually always gets together because my oldest or my older brother's birthday is the day after mine and on my birthday is my parents anniversary so we usually all meet up and you know. Have a big celebration together so we weren't able to do that. Hopefully we can soon but You know i need to. I need to make my list Because they stole this idea from josh flanagan years ago Where every birthday. He makes a list of things that he wants to accomplish for that year. And that an amount of like whatever age he's turning he makes thirty for thirty right and so for but for russia. It'd be like fifty things speaking of that. I saw a picture to nadia this morning. Because i went to a super early this morning to see if gets groceries and There was this man in line behind me who literally look like josh and like sixty years like just the most beautiful long white hair and beard. Gosh it's just so like i. It's because i had my twenty eight list. And i was like on a you know i'm going to do all of these things like And there are certain things that i that i have on here that i was able to do but at the same time there were so many things that were like contingent on traveling or like doing something like one of them was like eat at a michelin star. Restaurant adding new twenty eight. Have you tried caviar. I haven't tried caviar. The app can do you deliver a fancy restaurant food to you know. We saw them one time about that. Eventually i mean and just like well there was. There are certain things like visit. A new state was one of them and we were able to take a road trip We went all the way up until like wyoming Back in september and so there are some things and like. I didn't even finish this list so now like going into twenty-nine after make minute list and lake make it. I guess for a covert world because who knows One of the things on that list was get engaged. Did do that. So that was dope. Damn girl but But you know so. I don't know if you guys have any cool ideas of what what i should accomplish. My twenty nine year of put get married. We'll be doing that at some point. You could go to wyoming again. Ooh go home. And i am sure. There's no one's bucket list. It's yeah you get there. You see the sign and you're like oh i've been wyoming and then we left wyoming immediately and by done fuck also we. We need to get get a better plug for that podcast. I was driving corden like Air told me to do something. And then i was like fuck at the moment is passed so i just didn't acknowledge it. Now you gotta bring it up. When does it premiere what to call. When where can people listed in say the name or you're only set the old dame's that's my bad acid anyway. Okay when does it premiere march third on the richest heath website wherever you can download podcasts. It's called no dumb answers with mark and brad of user. You're you're killing me. You're dealing woody. we're killing it is taking so long to get the name of this talk. You're an audio going. I guess i'll look for now. What's it give it to me straight as any idea unbelie hear me. I thought ahead. I've put a link to where you can subscribe in the description of this episode of the. So you're a damn to get this far you can just click on that link. Speaking of eric's disembodied voice If you do listen to the podcast you may actually no. You won't hear it on the podcast but you will hear it on the socials. Please follow the socials. There at ask mark and brad at twitter dot com. I think that's probably wrong. But i think it is new orleans because it was very shocked that two men as call guys like. I'm sorry i'm doing it like tumbler. Tumbler you your name. Dot dot com. Whenever i do the same thing but i'd say at the dot twitter dot com. Because i'm so us because ozone tumbler for twelve years Anyway yeah the podcast is called no dumb answers with mark and brad. It comes out on march. Third or every fine podcasts but mostly the restrictions website please go to the website and the yeah. I think it's gonna be funny. I think i'm kinda funny. I don't know you guys so me a pace the ad and in the that's the wheel chirp wheel copy i press copy disorders. She literally just because have you got well now. We have a sponsor for the first episode. Yeah yeah there you go there we go sales. Get them to sponsor your podcast. You know I pitched a really good idea today about sponsorships. I don't think it's ever gonna come to fruition. And i think that's like terribly depressing but like it's fine. No one no one listens. Loan listens to me. I said it was a great idea. Yeah alan quickly changed the subject. But yeah i'll watch go. Listen don't you can't watch listen Kayla is so hilarious and do it and you can go and watch it and listen to it with sales. You'd get a quit. Oh man you got me in trouble. I have my review tomorrow at eleven. Am east don't do this to me. Part of gavin. She's gonna clip out If actually you know if you If you wanna get like a sneak. Peek numidian fielder. Gonna go live onto a friday in talk about some stuff in maybe promote the podcast in maybe drink in unhealthy amount of seltzer in a one to two hour period Coach so if you wanna do that you should follow her. On the link to the podcast. I'm not at ten k. followers on instagram. So i can put a swipe up but mariel did if you got to her instagram story. Any swipe up you can subscribe to. The spotify may have also tweeted. My pin tweet might have linked to the podcast if not it has the Name of it. What areas witter handle my twitter. I am at the underscore indoor kid one time. I forgot the underscoring. I told people to follow me in felt like an idiot. You've remedied that. Don't worry yeah yeah. Some other news probably like the fuck these people master be pinning will be. I will be changing my bio picture to a chirp wheel been such a good episode of the podcast with the absolute worst plugs. For would you talking about the linked teeth being teeth to get your twitter to get a podcast on dump as he's really in for it with But i think the the coast action would awesome dog shit. Let's be honest. The description of what the cost was. I thought it was really good. Thank you most in depth description of. I'm going to listen to it. Because of that i don't know man with an nba. Fun fun. fun fun story. The cell logo. When i was trying to describe design team what i wanted. I said i wanted to look like one of those fancied. Dr brands that advertise to you on instagram. She said saito more. That looks exactly spot on. I was like. I wanted to look like a toothbrush. Landing page make you know. Make what you know which you know. That's all in those. Drb be to the cast. Stick close the money merrill. Do you feel guilty at all for cheating on. Always bar listen. I here's here's the thing i honestly was like. I've done a people have been saying. Oh maria's back whatever I saw like it took a hiatus or anything. I stopped doing content just mostly. My job changed I just needed a change of pace. I so so so miss doing stuff with barbara. We actually did. I don't know if that's coming out anytime soon. That video that we did Yeah it's coming up. Probably the couple of weeks did guess who with the all of our co workers as characters on the board was our guest along with andy cortes on that episode. And it was really fucking fun. A fun fun I here i am. I never you should never say never. Because i really didn't think i would ever be doing a podcast host capacity again. So here we go. We're gonna see how it goes. Yeah i asked you for a solid and you said yes before. I asked you whether it was so that's completely true. I did agree to do anything for kayla. No questions asked no questions. No dumb answers you know. Here's check out. The show. Starting march third. Anything else you guys won't talk about before we close out or should we call it. A podcast of. I would like to say that. The harrowing week that had last week was the third time. I've been trapped in a snow situation. That was awful in a place that does not get snow. Those my third time was the first to what about you guys. Remember the snow pacalypse in atlanta when a lot of people were making fun of georgians for not being able to drive home in two inches of snow in the whole city. Being shut down for two weeks because of the snow that happened in everybody like was dragging us in was like how saddam it's just an interest. No the fuck is up at village. Texas was especially being tests. But that's fine. That's neither here nor there but Yeah it third time. That's happened twice georgia who wants here. Oh my god well. Maybe you're bad luck. Move away from texas a cold. Apparently it's very preview of future just like crazy weather shortage. We got taint girl mad. Max shit have you what. I'm sorry lasting. Has anyone recently watched mad. Max along with tom. Tom hardy okay. I did two hours two weeks ago. Okay i thought. Here's the thing about that movie. When i feel like the first time i watched it i was in high school. And now this is cool in the message Ninety percent of the time the message just went over people's heads. Because i was like i don't remember this movie having a message. The first time. I watched it. I just remember tom. Hardy bean cool in show this thrown being cool. End zoe kravitz being there. And this time. I was like. Oh it's like a commentary. That's neat 'cause i i was just like ill morton. Joe's gruesome that dude from skins keep spraying spree pins and often that's weird Yeah but this time. I was like oh no when is like face and throat gets ripped out in the end. Yeah fun it was gross but cool. Cool that one's not so much as a commentary. It's just a cool seeing that still holds up. Hey i haven't watched. That movie came out. Which was i was in two thousand fifteen. I enjoyed it a lot. Better the second time. I'll be on. Hey it's on. Hbo max he while we're still going to be recording po. Show right after this. So i'm sure we'll talk about a whole lot more shenanigans but thank you guys all so much for joining us again. Checkout no dumb answer is starting march third wherever you find your podcast and on rooster teeth. Dot com kayla merrill gavin. Thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having audience. Thank you for being here for being beautiful for being lovely thank you. I members for supporting the show and also wrote one thing before we go. We are raising money for a few organizations. Go to receive dot com slash donate. I'm blanking on the actual organised era. Go and double. Acp legal defense fund and the austin area. Urban league were raising money all this month only a couple of days left so if you please go to lincoln donate what you can. 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New techniques help genetically controlled eye conditions

The Science Show

09:31 min | 2 years ago

New techniques help genetically controlled eye conditions

"And our final remarkable woman is Nikki rag whose professor of medical genetics at Oxford Brookes university. Trying to help babies born with small or underdeveloped is start with a naive question. Roughly how many genes take to make a human? I well, I don't think anyone knows the true answer to that. We have about five hundred genes that we currently know are important in developing the human eye that doesn't count the number of genes that we are due to discover plus all the genes that are really important in maintaining the health of the eye. So I suspect there are many many more than that. So when you're looking at the genetics of a possible patient, maybe a child how do you home in on? What might be the problem? What do you look for? Well, my particular area of interest is I look after children who are born with very underdeveloped is so sometimes the I has failed to. Develop completely or sometimes it's a small, I sometimes it's an eye that is the normal size. But is missing certain components. And I try to characterize exactly what the features are of the two is sometimes they're asymmetrically involved. And then as a geneticist, I will also examine the rest of the body. Some of the genes that are involved in human. I development are all simple in developing other parts of the body such as the brain or the limbs or the kidneys or the heart. And so it's a piece of detective work to try to piece together various characteristics that individual has and then try to fit that with the jeans that we already know about when you see a child with that sort of problem, and you've got to look the incredibly deep puzzle. Do you have to say well comeback in ten years? Let you know what the problem is. That's a very interesting question. I think that genetics is moving at such a pace that we're. Are able to carry out genetic investigations in a way that we couldn't have dreamt off ten years ago ten years ago, we would be looking at individual genes because actually we didn't know very many genes that were responsible for human development, certainly when I came into the field, we didn't know any. But now, we have very advanced genetic tools that will enable us to test a huge panel of jeans, and now even in more depth. We can use new techniques to look at whole genomes the puzzle then is to analyze that huge amount of genetic data and to work out, which are actually related to the type of characteristics. We see before us now, if you take a particular patient who may have an underdeveloped, I very very small indeed. And you've spotted what might be involved Netflix? What do you do? Well, I think the initial step is to make diagnosis because this is what the family need at. That point is to understand why their child has been born with an underdeveloped. Die. And so if I think that I know what may be the, gene responsible. I make straight to four looking at that particular, gene and be able to make diagnosis, and then I would usually after tests the parents to see if it was a change in the gene that occurred new in that child, and then I would be able to offer accurate genetic advice to those parents to tell him about the recurrence risk for future. Children because that's often a burning question that they have. And sometimes they would wish to have prenatal diagnosis for the next pregnancy or even going stage further they may wish to have preimplantation genetic diagnosis that will enable the diagnosis to be made in an embryo following an IV f type technique so that they can avoid having another affected child. Your question about treatment is a very interesting one. I think if an eye has not developed completely it would be very hard to imagine. How one could start that developed? Mental process postnatally, however, very often there is some symmetry in the two is there may be an underdeveloped I on one side, but the other I may be developed, but may have a particular problem that may cause loss of vision later in life, for example, retinal degeneration, now if one knew ahead of time about the possibility of that, then there may be something one could do to either replace the function of the gene that is missing or to enable the remaining networks to compensate for that missing, gene. And there are some very interesting new techniques that are coming to the fore, and these may be genetic manipulation techniques, for example, the gene editing crisper crisper exactly where one may be able to replace a missing, gene. But there are other techniques that may allow you to actually work on the DNA product the Arna one. Particular interesting one is whereby if there is a signal within the gene that causes an early stop signal that means that one of the two copies of the gene is not transcribed into a protein. You have affectively half the amount of protein. That's not enough to fully develop the eye. And there's a technique now whereby you can skip over the stop signal and allow a fully functioning copy of that protein to be produced. Now, that's very very exciting. And that has been used in animal models, the baby mice, for instance, have been enabled to grow. There is normally as a result of that. So it's those types of maneuvers that could be very important, and the I being such an accessible organ means that one contri-, gene therapies, and that's being done now for some retinal degeneration, or you could potentially try other types of maneuvers that will introduce. These extra molecules may be small RNA's or other types of drugs into the I maybe drop formulation. Which would be fantastic. What you describe sound so specialized and skilled one wonders how many people like you. There might be to do that kind of work. Are there? Many. Well, there are certainly pediatric ophthalmologists around. There are certainly geneticists around. There are molecular biologists around. There are not very many people who can combine those skills. Like, you ES. I think I'm probably modest. I think I'm probably one offer. What's your next horizon in this quest? Well, I have a constant horizon of trying to identify more jeans because we now into stand that the genes do not work in isolation that part of networks of genes, and by understanding the networks, it might be possible to come up with some treatments that will enable the whole network to function better further genetic diagnosis bringing that forward to win the baby born so that parents can have a rapid answer. I think is also another goal of mine because I feel that if one can diagnose people right at birth. You can provide the right kind of advice for the family, you know, how to treat all the other related problems. You can give them the best start in life because they can have support from visually-impaired services and all the other sports they need, and if you can understand the particular gene, you might be able to start some treatment right from the word go, and because of the way vision develops together with the. Rain. It's very important for the vision to be good at the outset. Because then the brain learns how to interpret the vision a tricky final question and that is before birth. In other words, in the fetus, if there are suitably small numbers of genes involved would you before against using crisper on the embryo if was ever to use crisper, it would have to be at a state before the embryo because it would be important to actually treat the embryo before. It got implanted. I'm not going to say one way or the other about the ethics of whether that's going to be a good way forward. But I think that once the baby is developing its altogether a much more complex process and one couldn't actually affect all the cells of the body very easily. Does that answer your question? It does. Yes. Tremendously complicated field babies jeans, and there is Nikki rag. Here's a professor of medical genetics at Oxford Brookes university next week in the sign. In show. I shall do a tour of the some a long way away, but I managed a quick visit. And we shall hear about John Tyndall mountaineer and climate scientists a new biography by Sorolla and Jackson and do lookout for earshot in the next few days with a feature about our last flamingos a story about zookeeping, Texaco me and loneliness a Flamingo in Adelaide an icon for generation of south Australians production by David Fisher and Dame Judi Rapley. I'm Robin Williams.

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The Expanse - S05E08 - Hard Vacuum

Bald Move TV

1:29:50 hr | 4 months ago

The Expanse - S05E08 - Hard Vacuum

"The welcome to belt a loaded the officially unofficial. Podcast these on amazon prime. I'm jim i'm around and today we're talking about season five episode eight titled horror vacuum. The titled colossal suck. Now if this was walking dead. I would definitely be making those jokes. It'd be serious about it. I liked this episode. what did you think about it. Yeah this episode is ri- i was. There's a couple of points whereas delighted like number one. I was thinking god. How's it going to get out of the situation like you know everyone. Everyone quote unquote washer. Jump out the airlock and lock yourself towards this ship and make this like one in a million chance to free herself and she's right next to the one. Most powerful worships in the solar system. How was she ever escape. It never occurred to me that people will just interpreted that as her dying. You know like this is the twenty first century equivalent of someone jumping out of an airplane. Do you assumed that they're going to glide successfully to another arab. That's not even the same comparison. Because you know you won't die necessarily stepping outside of an airplane's in a split second you might in in deep space so and the way it kind of like they all the main characters that's kind of naomi's desperation move right to throw herself airlock. She she finally fucking did it and the one guy who saw what she's actually doing died with her. So i was like okay. That's pretty clever. I like over thought the situation and then it was kind of frustrating. Because i couldn't for the life of me figure out what the fuck she was trying to do. I'm like oh she's going to record a new message and hijacked a thing and send it over when that didn't work out. I'm like is trying to do morse code. And it really wasn't until the credit sequence beat into my head that she had up the image or the transmission to send a new signal so. I thought that was really clever and kind of braved leak. Leave the audience. That far outside of what the protagonist is doing so you can feel extra smart when you figure whenever figure it out subsequent watches. I started really noticing what i considered the artificiality of the situation and the chain smoker seemed like it was designed as an escape room. Just for naomi nagata to eventually escape and less of an actual situation that some terrorists band would would contrive. I don't know if that's actually true. I'm looking forward to discussing it with you. But like i th. The episode is a a couple of notches below. After that. everything else is fine. You know the the real politics stuff seeing the stuff spiral out of control seeing atmosphere all been kind of like the voice for calm and not escalation for once was was interesting and i i really thought that you know the work that dominate tripper did with day omi not having anyone else to act like. She was in her own little bottle. Episode in an in and other episode was really good The stuff or drummers dealing with traumas all good. So i enjoyed. It said that the second time through i thought oh man. This just feels a little constructed. What'd you think. I don't know if it's because This happens roughly the same way in the book. And so i kind of knew what's going through your head and i knew like this was going to happen that i didn't feeling artificiality around it because to me this all just made a lot of sense friday. You put anybody else on that ship. And they're not getting out of it. But naomi or near the you know the the incredible talent is getting out of this and getting yourself out of this which is the cool part but also saving everyone on the rossi saving the entire crew and everybody we care about in the show except for maybe all and so i i saw coming and maybe that'll let me kind of sit back and relax a little bit more. I was curious how they were gonna film this because it is all in her head right like the whole sequence of the book is just for inside your head. We hear what she's thinking. We we have that insight and here. I think it's telling the you said it took until we got to the credits to really even tell what she was doing that. That makes perfect sense to me. Because i don't know that. I would have understood it without that. That for knowledge of what was going to happen there so I think they did a great job. Tilmann that sequence. Which i think is hard sequence to communicate. What's going on right like. Oh she's between the holes. Oh there's no oxygen there. She has just the oxygen that center sued each time. She goes in there and she has to come back to refill on it. All that stuff like there's so much going on with just the the atmospheric stuff there the environmental stuff that it takes a lot of thinking. I think to to really communicate and i think that they've done enough showing between the hulls work that you've seen amos go between the rosinante the halt effect stuff that you kind of know that this is kind of like a demilitarized zone in no-man's zone. You know from previous reading a tom clancy it's how they build military submarines. You have a pressure whole you have an outer hull. That's like her and contains equipment and stuff that is usually flooded with is not designed to be watertight so it gets flooded and so i like i understood immediately. Oh she's going between the pressure hull. The has to keep you know has to be airtight versus outer hall which has to stop. Pd rounds and torpedoes and micro meteoroid stuff like that and that made perfect sense. I you're right like a lot. A lesser show would have naomi just talking to herself a lot. More be like think. Think think i need tools and wires. I need to strip a speaker that uses a microphone. Where where where can i find it. And this is just she has to. You know you just have to kind of go along. And it felt very. We just did castaway the on the twentieth anniversary of castaway and a lot of the chain smoker. Sequences feels very much like just watching tom. Hanks figure shit out like in like go back to his old boy scout days and figure out how to make fire you donate necessarily understand everything but like enough that you can kind of feel clever along with her. That's that's a great way to tell the story and when she she's talking to herself it's it's all about like getting the rhythm of the message down so that she can right. Yeah you know be be ready to to spice it up at the end like the parts per. She's talking to herself make sense that she would be talking to herself. It's not just for the audience sake and then you look at like sorolla at her stuff. This episode with pastor set his name. David pasture You talked about how well there's delgado to right. He's like the other guy in this equation. Who is kind of a new erin right. She's like you mentioned her. Occasionally being the voice of reason. I think the other time she was his way back and sees a one if you remember when they were going to do the strike on mars gun platforms or whatever. It was an error. I was pushing for that right. And the president whose name. I can't remember the secretary general at that time. Sandoval was that his name. That sounds rightish. Yeah aaron ri- was pushing him. You know we gotta make this strike. And if we don't get them all and it'll be a problem and she was kind of pushing for calm. Hey let's not rush into this you know. She's been in this situation before. I feel like lately. She's been sort of out of that situation of like being the voice of reason of trying to calm things down when hotter heads or sort of pushing violence and here she's right back into it and delgado when he goes into pastor's office and it's just like we need to. We'd kill these people. And and i don't care that it's going to look bad there. There's a certain amount of vengeance that he wants. Revenge for what margot's done you know he. He claims to be impartial. And like oh this is just you know. Well i think we need to do but you can feel it. You can feel it in his voice that he's very angry. I don't know what pastors do man. I it the speech at the beginning. Both i was both impressed and worried by that speech that he gives because he's so good at it and he whips up this crowd and then he walks in that hallway. And i'm thinking oh god. He's turned a corner now. He's the evil aaron ride. Who's going to be out for blood. But then he just kinda turns back into the david pastor. We knew before that speech. So i don't know man. We'll see how that goes. But i was sorolla voice of reason for a little while here probably should we get into the recap support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. Saving money on your car. 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If you want to keep on listening to the mismatch with me kevin follow the mismatch on spotify. And we'll see you. Every tuesday and friday. We begin this episode with amos and claire biking their way towards suppose safety in baltimore. I don't someone mentioned that. In the live. Watch last sunday that because i was saying motorcycles and they're like their bicycles and i thought they were just being funny but no. These are some kind of easy moped that they're that they're using can get these downtown in any major city right now. What are they called. Blue birds or something are they. I've seen the e-bikes i've seen the scooters haven't seen the e bikes yes thing and they're taking them slowly gingerly through the muck in the mud. Where obviously there's been some kind of soon nami swept through out i would've loved to see on scooters like that would have been pretty hilarious especially if they have like these big blue kind of scooter helmets a. Us shared those baby. Blue robin egg. Blue helmets big off road tires on these stupid scooters But yeah so. That's cool if you run out of juice can always pedal. I guess the important things. Here is that claire. Caesar's ship blasting off Which gives her the idea that she'll inform later to like where you can go to find. Apparently treasure trove of these sub orbital capable ships They take what did you think of the dueling pacers. I was gonna say. I thought you very leader. But yeah the is so weird. Like their trees around clare. You're not a hard. Yeah yeah you can. Lean up by my. My wife was dislike. I don't know if that's the way the do but you know i don't know she's taking taking a power squad piss streams were invisible in the kind of low rez review. Copies we get. I'm assuming they'll be dueling streams. Oh yeah. I saw the dueling streams. I offering it i saw. I saw a little bit of amos's like the clears was just. Yeah just pixel pixelated mess. So can't wait to see that and four k baby. Oh yeah that's what. They made four k for history. That's exactly. She's remarkably better this episode. She says the blockers must've flushed out of a system or senses are sharp again she can taste smell. Focus and She she eases protein bar with gusto and she acts like a dog. That's got butter. This guy scott peanut butter stuck to the roof of her mouth. And i swear to god i was just waiting for an actually trigger that stuff just as a protein now chocolate like suddenly she goes in the super say and mode and she's worthless for twenty four hours but i didn't happen instead. Her increased senses picked up. I guess the smell of decaying old people and here is the illustration of the churn. This is an old folks home who apparently lost power while didn't apparently like a lotta shit went bad and They i guess abandoned their or just just didn't have time to do. They fled the building and tried to you know. Keep these people. As i don't know what you're supposed to make. This is some walking dead shit that you run. You're running into here. what'd you think. Yeah i think there are like a man. They're really slow playing the effects of the the rocks. You know like. I thought a few episodes ago we were going to start to really see more about it. Like how how bad offers earth I guess we haven't had much of a window into that if we were going to have an income probably throughout the sorolla. But she's been so focused on the quest for marco here that we just haven't seen much of her I don't know at this. Point like my. Why did these people die. I can't remember if they say specifically that the power was out. But obviously they're going to be to the power out is if you're going to have some kind of nami you know ripped through the eastern seaboard. That like you'd have massive loss of power but of course i don't know for century. Power generation transmission capabilities are like but I saw a lot of solar panels on the roofs of buildings. So i imagine there are some buildings that still have power on the other hand. We also know that the is putting out a roughly as much light as the moon. So that's probably not going to provide full power for sure. Yeah but really slow playing and then these deaths are kind of like the the symptom i guess but narrowly like what is the problem. Here is is the power out is a massive food store destruction Is it just a breakdown of the governmental systems and like so many of those people died that their organization is off. What is it I would like to more about that. I think before the end of the season. But we're only two episodes from the end. I'm not sure we're going to get a ton will by an early on the tie and some guy podcasters the thing that You know when the the book creators and show runners plus aim west chatham Do they mentioned that. They are In universe being cagey about the damage. And i think that's wise like you probably don't wanna broadcast to the belt into the mars per perhaps that like we're really massively fucked here. We have a complete biosphere collapsed etcetera etcetera but it is frustrating because like we saw kind of a nuclear winter situation. We saw these massive tidal waves. The had all those people just milling around baltimore to be dead like they're talking about millions of dead but like you think hundreds of millions if if the impacts are like what we saw or like because we just mentioned yesterday the earth has a population of four luna billion people. Like there's just a population densities fucking insane. Yeah especially in these places. The guy hit so like i. Yeah i i guess. I'm just taking for granted that earth is perfect and we're going to slowly find out about it. I think not. Knowing is sort of undermining the scene with eric and amos later where. They're trying to convince him that the world is fucked and there is nothing for him in baltimore because we haven't seen that right like we've seen a couple of dead people we've seen a couple of four is stated that the sun has blotted out and there's snow landing in like the summer that's like those those situations aren't gonna clean those are not going to like just resolve whether you know but that's a that's going with the show ever said that right like i sure. I know that from like researching things. But i think that like in general people understand what a nuclear winter is and and what kind of effects that would have on the biosphere here in general. That's fair for a general watching population. But i also know that. Like dan and tied the research to so again. Wanna have you like in fact. It'd be a problem for me if like four these asteroids hit and they're showing the things that they're showing and then it turns out. Oh actually this fine. I mean. I guess they come up with some kind of like. Oh we've got some kind of chemical we can spray the atmosphere that will collect heavier than air particles and upper ozone and pull them down and like you know within a year we can get back to normal china thing because it is in the future and they do have the capacity to over one hundred years reform. Mars earth business fucked up as mars. Now you know so like maybe you can in a year to get back to normal like tariff for the be back to the terrowi- conditions but yeah. I think they've gone too far of showing me that it's there is there. Is that kind of devastation to walk it back. But i don't know because the asteroids were pretty small too and but but yeah so maybe it's more local regional blotting out of the sun and not quite global. We'll have to see onboard. Marcus flagship the pella. We receive confirmation. That sin is dead. That's one of the things that open into questions we had last episode and it was definitively shown that he is not What'd you think about the scene. First of all the pele's just a really good-looking ship. It's rossi all the time but was martians and it. It looks like i don't even know what to say. It looks like a lightsaber. Hilt this industrial. It looks like a blade runner skyscraper. Maybe i know it's really cool. Looking of clean lines symmetrical. Yeah the more finished. It's almost like The fusion of german engineering and italian styling kind of you know like they got martin has got got it all they don't they have to sacrifice fundamentals to get good. Looks but yeah. I like the martian aesthetic. A lot for sure. I guess the clean lines. I'm not seeing here. Are the lines between. Sin dying in philip killing him. The marco tries to draw here. I'd like when he says she didn't kill him. You did a bike really is this man. How manipulative to bull is philip. Because i don't see the connection here like okay. Yes he led. Naomi live and she went out the airlock but seeing letter live just as much. He killed himself. Yeah i guess that's the like the original sin. Is philip taking his mom hostage so she would die on the and auntie and like you know that's that's a true statement and it's also not very helpful but it's all it but it is useful for marco to continue to have control over a son to continued guilt. Engine the make him. You know like three double his efforts to prove himself to his father and to the people the belt so just want phillips called bullshit on this whole thing. One time he will eventually and it's going to be glorious. I think getting killed but it'll it'll probably feel feel real good as an audience. I mean felt great. Did it so philip. Doing it would feel double great and this. I said this is the scene where i was. All geared up arms crossed is narrowed. How are you going to get nailed me out of this situation. And i'm like oh they assume she's dead. Oh yeah of course they would. Of course she did. Like a thirty second long spacewalk and this is kind of like you know like she'd she'd threatened to do this before everyone knew. It was the plot point from last episode. And why would tastes whom that she was able to. Now i do think okay. And there's no it's not like the whole crew is at windows. A shift doesn't even have windows. I do wonder like really no one tractor body and solid it. you know. they got this. They get this other ship wired for all this kind of tampering devices. Which doesn't really make sense to in. The context is episode. But they don't have a shit. Someone open the airlock sensor you know like the like to ship the the the ship is slave to them but they don't get all the information that it's providing make it. I think you're supposed to not notice those things and just washed episode and get consumed in. How fucking die hard cool. Naomi is doing all this macgyver shits but as i'm going to lay out like my first my first reaction is wow. This is really cool. I can't believe. I thought this would be a problem because like this is a near miraculous escape him and it just looks on the surface like she kills herself for sure. Yeah so that that actually really really worked out. Well i think. I said ceo and boy that scene or they show her again. Holy shit she is fucked up when she gets on board the chain smoker naomi. We find out she is definitely survived but she's in very bad shape and she surveys. What she has to work with escape situation was turns out to be not much. They do a great prosthetics and makeup job here that the swelling of the hands the the bursting of all the capillaries in her eyes. And face and you know there's there's just like just like wakes up and screams or something like a man. I can't imagine the trauma that your body goes through being in space. But this was another thing where i was like. Oh how are they. Going to show this are they. Are they gonna just make her like ambi- and yeah they totally do. She's fucked up. And as far as i did a little bit of research and this is consistent with. What animal testing Yeah they've thrown the animals vacuum chambers and watched him die to see what happened And evidence based on real like there's been multiple occasions where astronauts have lost partial pressure or complete pressure to segments of their space suits Famously like a russian. Lost pressure containment in like from the elbow down and like continued to spacewalk for like fifteen twenty minutes. 'cause it's fucking russian and in fact there's this one incident where an american astronaut apparently punctured their their space with a sharp metal instrument and cut themselves and they were exposed to vacuum from some time and eventually the the coagulated blood getting sucked out a suit like frozen sealed over to patch aka the the mark watney maneuver. And there's also like. I think the thing is like people like why. She's screaming in pain because she suffering from what the bins like you think of. The bins is usually divers going under hot very high pressure situations and returning to one earth's atmosphere. It's the pressure differential to causes. There's things called shallow water bins where people who have like scuba dived in like ten foot of water for a couple of hours and then take an airplane trip the next the same day just a dipped pressure differential between ten feet under the water. And being you know thirty thousand foot discussed triggers the been so she's actually feeling all these dissolved gases coming out of her joints and a feels like it's described as feel like acute arthritis and all of your joints so like that's why she's so wracked pain in the beginning of this episode. She's still kind of returning to the pressure. I think they've exaggerated some of these effects I don't know. Did you feel the bins that significantly especially as soon as you know being out in space for thirty seconds and then re pressurize. I don't feel it that significantly post re pressurization but it seems like it's all it seems like it's consistent with like the worst of what can happen to you when you're exposed vacuum and that's what the stuff later. Where she's you know. She's trying to lever this great off the floor and she's screaming. She's doing it. that's what that's all about. Yeah for sure. And she. She looks around and she's not happy with what she sees because she sees smashed panels and disabled control panels. And these weird red squares wired up all over the place which we're gonna find out our anti-tampering systems and then overall she hears a voice is actually track stanley anti-terror. I thought they were bombs. They were literally just like she said that. Like all the all. The consoles have been disabled or wired with anti anti-tampering devices. There's combinations of the anti-tampering is wired to the thing and also a proximity to why would they wire up anti-tampering devices if not going to be on this show thank you that is what does it make any fucking sense. Why is all this precautions. Taken to keep someone from jacking the ship. Why have they taken the effort to strip this ship down to where no one inside can do anything about it when they didn't expect anyone. That's that's why. I'm saying that like on second thought. This seems very very engineered. Seems very very written to be a naomi escape box instead of just being well okay. So what's the plan here. And i'm just speculating because let's. Let's pretend i don't know anything. When if the plan here is to get hold on board the ship because like he naomi is on the ship right so rossi docs holding goes on the ship and then they blow it. But it says it's wired to a proximity. I mean they only says it's also the wire to proximity things like as soon as he's it'll blow on or the other of those things both of them right right but like even if i don't understand why you take the time to disable the controls of the ship like it seems like again it's like well you never know someone might get on here and do something so a better better smash all these panels and take off all the steering wheels and then then wire everything anti it's like it's really doesn't make much sense. If if what they're one is is is world in here and blow it up. But i didn't notice that the first time i watched it. And if i wasn't taking notes and actually like wait a second. What did she say that she just say anti-tampering devices the fuck. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah so i like i said. I don't think this does torpedoes. And as i said last episode and i think the feedback section. I'm willing to let a good show. Do some some plot holes in the service of getting back on the plot. Like i don't i don't let me slip but you know almost every great show i've ever seen has an occasional the writers. Well shit. we're over here. We need to get over there. Fuck it let's just engage four wheel drive and drove through the drive through the muck like amos and clear under e-bikes. Maybe this is it. But i don't know i felt like if if they didn't do all that anti-tampering and all that thing it they only just gets in there and she's done like also like the fact that they strip this ship clean to the point that there's not even like a ration thing like they went through this strange ship and pulled literally every tool and toolbox and quick repair kit and every like the only thing they laughed is like a little sonic scherzer's driver fell to the floor panels it. I don't know kind of kinda strain my suspension of disbelief not fatally but a little bit. Okay yeah i don't. I don't have any problem. Stripping down the ship i think that's that makes sense Beltre's wanna waste anything. They've got look they've got out on. Supply runs scavenging shade. of course. they're not going to blow up a bunch of supplies right. Yeah what the effort would be to like. Go through your average. I don't know hundred foot long. Freighter into an an earth. An earth vessel get every last ringe and driver off of it. Like it's not it would be a significant. It'd be an amazing amount of effort and this has got to be even more complicated with the different pressure holes and looks and crannies and access panels and conduits Anyway yeah are they broadcasting this distress signal from one of her suits. One of the chad. Smoker's suits orders like yeah okay. I wasn't sure if she was receiving the signal on that suit or if they were broadcasting from that sue but it seems like they're they are which i thought was nice little touch. It's like yeah. Okay there's and the communication is coming from one of naomi's suits. Maybe you would think that must be naomi. We've we've seen this happen before where they can. Fake a signal from somebody. James eleanor was faked. Video way back when so they can definitely do this to the point. It almost feels like a twenty first century sop to have a character be like how can it not be hurt. It's her voice and someone has to explain yet. We can fake dash. We can actually say we can. We can deepfake shit right now at this resolution at like a bad. Am radio equality. Get out of here. Let me right. I can do that. In forty five cents on photoshop is still around and now it to someone like uses a calculator to do. I don't know eight significant digits worth of math. How could you possibly get that answer so fast like i use calculator. Come on what happens in. That situation is an app that was coded by mal industries. It's just like we've got. We've got those things today right. We get deepfake apps where you can change your face. One hundred hundred plus years from now. We're going to have all kinds of technology like that. Oh yeah buckle up. The next ten years is going to be real fucking fun with the deepfakes shit on top of the fake news bologna. Like it's going to be very hard for people even well. Meaning people fear what. The fuck is true and false fun. Yes trump deepfakes Star search safe for work deepfakes. Because there's a lot of not safe for these yeah check. Check that out because it's frightening back on board the rosinante. The bull monica holding debate essentially all the things we wondered about last episode can the pro molecule survive a reactor breach or whether the may could have handed off the proto molecule before it's untimely demise. Jim what were the results of this debate. The results are we always need to give this show one more episode before we start questioning. Because you're right everything we were questioning. They go onto at least speculate on. If not outright address people are kind of in the position to know like holden like you know could it could it survivor live reactor and holden says this is kind of essentially how we've killed at every other time like you know with raw nuclear fusion and then like could they've handed off and bulls right there. Hey we're on scopes monitoring everything you know. We only received the one transmission right before blew up. And that was. Probably you know a marco doing his best bain interpret impersonation. The flames continued to rise. Broda you gotta kill yourself. So you're right. They probably so. Let's assume like they are that the programmatic has gone well. Now you've got the question of is holding going to drag these people into suicide mission. And i love between monica bowl here. Yeah things just got worse for. Monica and bull out the molecules gone right. Yeah and i don't know what they do. It's holden ship. But damn how do they expect everyone to go all in to save one person the crew of the rossi who is yeah just hands on naomi's their lives. Yeah it's it's just random people from tyco so it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. It's one thing to go on a volunteer mission to potentially save the entire of humanity from another per molecule disaster. But do it for a person. It's it's tough. I don't know how they're going to resolve that either So we then go drummers Little flotilla and her faction is struggling with dealing with the changes under the new marco regime. Yeah they're scavengers now for marco and it's not just that they're scavengers right. It's that it's apparent that marco is destroyed these ships and then sending them to pick the bones. Remember if it's the scene or later scene where they discussed that Say basically just that it. My question is how long will the crew tolerate this How long can drummer tolerate it. How long before somebody here rebels. What's what do they do if that happens. being being this like familial unit here it. It's gonna be tough if somebody doesn't want to go along with this plan And i guess it depends on who it is as to how they address tab because of its drummer. I think they're just gonna go do whatever she wants to do. It's nameless to nameless over husband a who knows i. i don't know december space. The guy does does he just sit in his room in soaks the whole time. Because they're doing things want do i. I really don't know. I'm curious to see how they handle it on the other complication. Is you got corral facing sizing up the captain's chair for her own. Posterior this is. This is a drummer broken. This nice for me. Like she's wanting to use any excuse to wait for her to buck an order and then assumed control. That's literally what she's therefore. She was almost like a political officer at this point But they also kind of like also wonder like how drummer can maintain loyalty to recruit. Because like if if you take her face value marco is is only acting in defense like it's not that he's proactively exterminating all beltre's who opposed him. Because that's what drummer supposes. You recognize this factions. One of the ones. That voted for him at the airlock last season. But you know. Marco let those guys go. They attacked two of his skiffs leaving series station. So he's defending people that are royal to him. I don't know if that's true. Yeah but it doesn't have to be true for enough of drummers crew to believe it to be like we'll talk if they if they rejected a deal and then you know where's the aggressor then fuck them because otherwise this senseless belter belt or violence or punitive shelter in violence So i don't know but it does. It's it's sad. The wash this tight knit crew start to come apart at the seams over This new mission of there's The new you engine Secretary general Pasture gets his first test in leadership as he addresses all the peoples avert and luna ashra attack from some kind of I think moonbase rotunda. What did you think of his performance. Jim will i so. I don't feel bad anymore about not knowing how to pronounce sorolla because everybody in this show prances differently. A versa i think was at one point said the cadence with which you say. Her name is dependent on. Just what actor strolls in what extra strolls in off the set that day right here give line. It's got this name in it but we're not gonna tell you how to say it what what is going on here because everybody in this room says different and i it is. It is weird. Also that like i buy that when she was the the power behind the throne but she was the secretary general lake. It'd be kind of like maybe used you struggle. With barack obama. there was a president for a couple years. You know like everyone kind of kind of re finds its way off the tongue barrack anymore. You learn how to say it right like it's wind but before i knew kamala harris was i said kamala harris because right. That's what it looked like to me but you know it only took a matter of hearing it a couple of times before i was on jordan with actually saying her name right so jesus christ people aversa of a but this. I thought the speech is pretty good like at first. I thought like oh. This is a little unrealistic guy like coming across so polished and whatnot but he is a politician and clearly when when he walks off the stage after you know he says. Hey he starts off relatable. I i didn't expect to be thrust in this situation. But then he goes. But i do have because of the clarity of vision and what. I lack for inexperienced. I'm gonna make up for in passion dedication and support as he gestures all around them particularly picks out the admiral delgado and abbas sorolla who are astrology as a recent hero of saving the system. The one the reason she became secretary general in the first place. And she's recently lynch pin saving earth or now so he's kind of leaning on these people and you know promising not to stop until they bring markos people to digest their atrocities. Remind me a lot of the george. W bush speech on the rubble of the world trade center. Right after nine eleven. You know the whole you know The they're going to hear from all of us real soon Which is effective. like you know. I'm sure all twenty four billion people of tear and luna are out for blood like you know immediately after nine eleven sutton low. Ninety percent of the american people were completely on board with putting the united states up. Someone's ass that's just an attack of this scale and magnitude it's gonna be people are gonna want blood. I don't care how dance they are in the twenty four th century. They're gonna they're gonna they're gonna want it so but him walking off and kind of like instantly reverting back to that kind of you know kind of well. I raised red. Read the speech. You gave me guys But he runs it so well he is. He is a story of a man who is corrupted by the power is thrust upon him or is this story of a man who wields power Extremely effectively whilst also remaining decent person. I don't know because this guy is a list. I know is not in the books so i hope it's the latter because i actually feel like they're doing a good job of showing a guy because this guy is just like some schlub. He's highly educated. He's an engineer. I believe that he can read a speech well and he also continues to do what i think is good governance. He's getting multiple opinions. He's not taking hasty action. He's considering you know. Like i think when you say like act effectively. That doesn't necessarily mean everything he does has to work or be the best thing. It's just you know like a people can disagree but like you know he's not just going full phantom of the opera or he's not going to lie just crawl into a corner and suck thumb and let others bully him around like i continue to really liked. This guy is what i'm trying to say. Yeah me too so Amos impeaches arrive in balmer finally find making their way to baltimore and they make a deal with amos's quote unquote brother eric Loose talk about this bit. I don't know what the upside here is for. Eric like okay. Part of this is a symptom of. They haven't really laid out. How fucker is the other. Party is a guy like eric. Let's say he gets off the planet and let's say he goes to luna. Where does he fit in on luna because there are millions now millions as low billions of people who are going to be trying to get off verse ten head to luna At least temporarily you're gonna have such a glut of people up there that it's not going to be like. Oh well we need you to go work on water recyclers or whatever and even if he could is at the type of guy eric is what. What skills does eric bring to the table. That would be effective once. He's off the planet in. I just don't see it. Like i don't see this this place where he ends up that both he feels good about being at but also everybody feels good about having. I feel like the best analogy here. Is that like right now. He's you know like the the quote little finger. from game of thrones. He's trying to climb the ladder of chaos amos to say he's climbing a ladder that's leading to floor. That's on fire. The climbs the ladder. That goes a little bit higher to luna. That is no longer on fire and the sooner he gets up the ladder and can set up space criminal on the moon where everyone's trying to come in and and get papers to work and and get supplies and stuff like the criminal element does very well in those situations like gray market black market stuff work very well in times of crisis like this so he can be the first of the new boots on the ground like right. Now you know aluna probably divvied up and it's criminal. Organizations like earth is a massive new influx of people. There are people who are not claimed yet and he can get in there and kind of like maybe takeover some of the the complacent. I just think that the argument is again like the latter the latter chaos in baltimore is just if earth is perfect. It's you're climbing the ladder. That's just just going to go back down into a whole whereas if you get off the earth if you get off the earth and lunar you got a to do something and coming to grips with act like you're no longer the boss of the city because the city doesn't exist anymore is is the deal. That's what this whole speech about your dead woman is. But i'm not sure i buy like i don't think literally every person on earth is gonna die and if that's the case then eric's actually in a pretty good position they're in baltimore. You can see his operation rolling into effect immediately righties. He's there stockpiling supplies in the skyscraper that they own this pardon building or whatever. He's got a he's got an infrastructure here that allows him to accomplish a ton of shit on the moon he's just going to be another dude and that infrastructure already exist and it's in the hands of everyone else so like the the people coming in on the relief boats are gonna be gobbled up i think by the existing underground power structure there. But i guess you can make a make a go of it then or at least if it'll be easier on the moon than it is here i don't know i think it's entirely possible that like nearly everyone on earth will die because they don't have the heavy lift capacity to move billions. They just don't they don't have enough capacity to move billions of people up this planet earth's biosphere collapses We you know we barely have enough food to feed seven billion people right now feed and twenty five billion people when when the the biosphere over large parts of the united of the the. The world has collapsed. The water polluted dr feed. Twenty five billion right like a lot of people are going to die. Tons of people are gonna die all those people who are on euboea living intent cities in new york a probably already dead but a be. If they're not they're going to die because they don't have kind of sport but a feeding a billion. I believe you can do that with with the tech. They've got certainly so. You think the air. I i guess that's why eric needs to ask himself. Does he think he can survive. Churn where only one twenty five people are going to survive or can he be because again like let's say how many people can fleet aluna in the next week. Ten thousand ten thousand ten one hundred thousand arriving on a moon that has a billion or two people on it versus like being the one out of twenty five survives I mean this also if your if your criminal and you stop out all this food and weapons and like the legitimate like whatever. The government wants that to feed people like. Are you going to be able to hold out against all that like. I don't know. I said the math make sense to me. That doesn't make sense to you than than it just doesn't make sense. Yeah i mean the loser's going have a problem to you can't have this influx of people and not have the systems. They're stressed right. Like the moon is much harsher environment probably even than earth is with a bunch of rocks hitting it so like you send a bunch of people to the moon. It doesn't really solve any problems. It just makes things on the moon worse graduate when you say this influx i just think that influx is going to be relatively smaller compared to really cause i. I see them as like okay. Maybe the sub sub-orbital ships are as like as as numerous as cars or something are right now but there are certainly numerous as like buses right like i. I would think between commerce and just personal crafts and like i the heart in docs like boats right. So that's true. I guess interesting questions. Like how many people could you with the combined. Commercial airlift capacity of the united states. Like the europe. Like in a month like i. I don't know imagine someone could do them like millions and millions. You think so. I imagine that like whatever that capacity is you'd have some fraction of that to move everyone from the earth to the moon. But i could be wrong. The other thing is. I is skeptical of like these spacecraft and garages on these islands. If they're going to survive this anomaly because seems like they'd be kind of delicate maybe they wouldn't be able to survive You know being submerged underwater for some time thing they want you to know is that it's less. It's going to be better on the moon. That's what they're saying in this scene the on sake island. The new new hampshire. I looked it up and there is no ana sake island but then i'm like well. That doesn't that. I i wonder on. Asaki island is is Some and it might not. I phonetically spelled as best as i could. I don't know if that's actually what she said. I don't have captions for the screeners. But i wonder if it's an artificial island because probably most natural islands in new hampshire underwater. And there's probably new islands and they might have made made a few but like i looked at up and there. There is an island that exists. Which didn't surprise me so then. Oh the other. Funny thing is The call back to the tequila because he saw amos slack looking at those bottles and wanting to snatch one he's like it's going to be a long trip a whole case keila. Maybe we should take that somehow. I think that's gonna find its way to the rossi Oh yeah it'd be a nice Season finale of him in that and his quarters. Yeah they ever get back so the u. n. Secretary general gets briefed on the latest. On the manhunt for marco and eras. This is where someone just butchers. Adversarial his name and they. I liked the scene because it gives us a lot of stuff that we would otherwise not know about like for example is during gate safe Admiral delgado thinks it is What's the threat of medina station to fleet negligible The the real question is how do we hit back on on marcos What did you think of their plans. Here yeah man. I thought i was on board with john. Gato until he comes out with this shit. And i think he's wrong here. I think the for lack of a better term the optics are real fucking bad if they go through with doug a-as plan you're gonna start lashing out at innocent civilians get it. It's a sticky situation. Easy using human shields right i. I don't know what you do about it. But i don't think you do. What delgado is suggesting is. Because i was i was debating here in my mind. I think that like you're right. Delgado delgado approaches playing right in the marco's hands is exactly what he wants you to do. And anytime you do something that the enemy wants you to do. It's probably not in your best interest to do it. On the other hand it's hard to think of a disproportionate response when the attack killed millions and millions of innocent people and perhaps destroyed mother earth. And you're talking about nuking a a space station that has people chanting the name of this mass murderer. Obviously adding the support. It's his home base like in. There's like a total of nine thousand people on it. Or maybe that's even maybe it was like forty five hundred like it's hard to say that that's disproportionate which is probably one of the reasons. The marcos hopes that he because he knows like all these all that logic tracks. And i hope you fuckers take debate because then i will unite the bell theory. I've united to belt but once you start. Attacking civilian populations in you remove the objections of of the roma reasonable. Beltre's we saw were arguing about this last episode. Then you've got you've got you got what you want I think it's nice. We've seen those arguments because you can imagine once. The shooting starts all those options that drummer in her crew. Or considering about like do we take markaz offer or do we. You know go off and try and make our own way in like inner space and you can see a belter sort of like looking at the attack on palestinian that dakata suggesting and saying well. There are two options. Now even if we weren't inclined to side with marco before this. It's not that now. Suddenly marco seems more sympathetic necessarily which would but. Yeah they can't go to. The inner is because he enters are murdering them right. It's yeah. This is a sticky situation. And i think they're about to just fall into the quicksand here unless this guy is level headed enough to keep them out of it and the other thing that does is it. Takes away an ally that i think. Offer sorolla thought she had in doug auto right and they were both on the same page about the rocks and trying to you know. He apologized for not fighting harder for a couple of episodes ago. He he's got that guilt. Like oh god i was. I was a little soft or as little too concern. Cover my ass. I'm going to now over correcting right right. Yeah it'll be interesting to see how this plays out man. This pastor guy is better than better than the previous rulers here. But you know it's funny. Because if you could transmit the argument that drummers people had about joining marco to earth and you could transmit to the belt the argument that the un is having about this book because it's like very fit like that. That board was not that. This cabinet was not united in fox. Beltre's people like we can't do this. This is innocent people. We'd be no better than he is. Well they don't wear uniforms so they're all with that's even make the guests isn't a legitimate military all those arguments back and forth to show. That didn't everything that that Delgado and marcos is trying to tell people which is you know. It's us against them. It's all of them against all of us is is never the truth right But yeah. I don't know. I don't know what this secretary-general pastor at a house is stuff made out of Because also the pressure. Like i said the pressure to do something is going to be massive. And it's going to be. The other thing is guy in this week at position even wants to do the right thing. He's got always think. I'm in a precarious position. I'm like thirty second in line for the throne. If i appear weak and ineffective there will be a million reasons to replace me and more qualified. People and god knows what they'll do so sometimes that can be an interesting piece of the psychological Jingle pile to find iran that the former secretary general is sitting in this room and she somehow doesn't have the the the bike here right like she. I mean she does. She's got his ear but but he's the guy calling the shots even though he was some fucking teacher at a field trip with sixth graders an episode ago for transportation and she was the fucking secretary. General it's just shop busted down by cow things like this is still the remnants of gals regime. You know are in. That regime was hostile rally. So it's kind of amazing. She has a seat is able so back on board the chain smoker. Naomi scavenges for food water equipment Trying desperately to think of anything that will change survival situation while also protecting the good samaritans from blowing them selves. The fuck up coming to rescue her Which which part of this 'cause like this is interspersed throughout the episode. She's this is the one she prize up the final. Send her own message. Okay okay now. Sitting on the second of the problems i have with. There's no fucking this floor. Panel is held on by gravity established as she has no fucking tools to work with so every time. These ships have a sudden. Stop the floor panels. Flying these extremely heavy. Four panels has come and pulp everybody. Death is that what they're saying. What i honestly i don't know. Yeah the magnets time you lose power and gravity. You want all your fucking heavy floor grades. The fly around willy nilly. This is another one where the show runners just hoping you don't notice because this makes no fucking sense in context of the universe. No sense at all. Yeah they could have at least shown some internal maybe under the grade latches or something that she is. She improvised tool. They get to a real tool kermit's like we said last episode. There's a couple of ways like a couple of insert shots show how she got avenue brig plausibly and. I feel like there were ways. You could answer that. It's just that. I don't know like it's it's it's like either. They weren't aware the problem for some reason. They didn't have the time or money to get the shots necessary to fully sell it and as it is. It's just one of those rough rough rough stretches of broken grand that you gotta figure out and now having all those objections it's pretty effect. You know like her half in the kind of improvise a pulley system and lift this thing up. So she can get this like crew tool that she can then go and do bigger and better things on the sea and her macgyver. To ship is really cool. It's just like the premise of the scene doesn't make sense in the universe Yeah i'm with him so And we see the early stages of our plan that she's got this helmet that we know as a as a week transmitter presumably. She's trying to wire that into something that can get a little bit more juice. Try to hijack a signal being sent housing cinder own signal out and you know she realizes at some point she's gonna go in between the inner and outer hall where there's no oxygen and She she's able to put on her pressure suit and used the vestiges of oxygen in that to make very brief trips in there to strip out wire and a enough to make crude microphone so she can record her own the message that for some reason she she doesn't get out. I don't know this this scene fizzles and i'm not exactly sure why like it's Yeah I feel like she is trying to use either a low power transmitter. That would just feel like over. Override by the higher power transmitters ships using like. She's trying to use her suit to to send a message. But i thought her suit was was transmitting to the computer on the ship. Which is in transmitting out. I'm not real sure exactly how that worked. But this other thing. I have like they have all these like Tamper sensors on everything except for the thing that sending a distress signal. I guess that's the third thing that bothers me about this. This engineered situation. But whatever you know. She's got this. She explains the situation to this message. That doesn't actually go out to anybody but it it serves to kind of let us know if you if you're struggling understand what is going on that. The chain smokers been converted into a bomb. It's tamper sensors. It's got a proximity detonator She's got this improvised. The she can't transmit she can only receive and we don't really know that in the moment right she's like sending out this desperate message hoping that someone will pick it up and and they let that play out for a while. And i think they did some really cool dramatic stuff with it which will get you here in a second. This episode is sponsored by shudder. 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Yeah yeah it's cool and it's enough like You know this kind of like probably every belt or kid. Does this some point that that they're they're rediscovered. That breaks attention just enough. And it's almost like leaves them sattar. When they briefly recaptured their family. Feeling and then reality comes rushing back. Yeah though the water-sucking doesn't get old. What does get old. Is this argument that someone else. If they didn't do the terrible thing for the terrible person someone else would do it instead. This is complete bullshit anytime you hear somebody say this. Call them on their bullshit because this is a self perpetuating ideology if it's only true if everyone does it right right right because if if everyone were to reject that philosophy it would no longer be true right. So it's an excuse to rationalization that people use to allow themselves to do things. They know they shouldn't do. They know are wrong and evil. So yeah bullshit. I call it. It's it's it's an understandable thing because we it's very effective like you know pablo escobar. If you watch narcos his philosophy was you can take my letter silver. Most people in one the one transactions to if everyone takes the lead and silver then pablo's plan immediately comes to a halt and he's defeated. But it's a rational decision to not want to die right here right now on the hopes that have everyone is makes her superhuman sacrifice that you'll defeat the evil absolutely right and that's how eagles defeated but holy. Fuck when it's your turn into firing box. Yeah i yeah. I hope you've got a hope. You're made that stern stuff. That's only true. The lead only applies because someone made the decision not to say that in the first place if everyone pablo would come to his the first guy who was trying to recruit and said i give us that or the silver and the guy said nah not taken any of them I mean d dies. Maybe he dies. But how many times does pablo as nobody fucking escobar. Go to go up to somebody and say let or silver and shoot them in the head before the authorities come in and just arrest dealer asc with no support like pablo escobar does not become pablo escobar unless somebody a lot of people step in just rationalize it away by. Oh so. I'm gonna also do it if i don't but the person with a gun through the skull who is right here right now when experience a consequence like it doesn't feel like it doesn't feel like it is. It's one of those things where it's it's an iterative game you know but it also to that person it's the one and only game they're gonna play or kid be so you're also playing that game for everybody in the future who's who's gonna usually get away that in a long t- the short term but in the long term people get wise to it and then you know it's it's it's a paradox like the a lot of human suffering if you didn't do that but on the other hand you almost need a lot of human suffering the like get people's backbones stiffened to to make those kind of sacrifices. The good thing is it takes a few people rejecting that philosophy in the right places of power to actually put an end to the to the those forces like the pablo escobar of the world. And it's weird like the more people that take the silver. The more courageous decision to take the lead becomes. You know like as you know. It's one thing when as you say is just a street tough but when you're entrenched because usually there are those heroes we'll see who they are in the show meanwhile on to streaming fire hawk bobby and alex pick up a trixie and false naomi distress signal and unwittingly pass that information onto hold on the rossy. I love how they play this. This is what i'm talking about. Where they let that the question of whether or not she can get this transmission out linger and great dramatic effect. Because you think that. Bobby has intercepted her her distress signal. That she's that she said friday not the fake one. You're like oh okay. They picked it can go saver. They're close enough and then when it comes through to hold in and it's the wrong message. It's the one that's saying help. I'm in distress. Come save me. Oh my god. It's such good moment. It's incredible like i said i. I'm willing to forgive some of these other things. Because the base level of cleverness of what naomi really does is high. And i. i like here if i talked about. It's an intro but like like this episode is frustrated. Because i didn't know what she was trying to do. But by the time it all came together like i felt so satisfying when you hear that repeated signal over the credits and the way they play with your emotions you think that like oh because of the sequence of events naomi got it just in time everything but oh no and then again another one these things where they play with what information people know what people don't know what people know they don't know and it's it's it's it's really effective and building the tension and the tragedy of it too is amplified because like holden has put alex bobby in a situation to relay of a false message to him like. You're not even sure got this message and been on his way. Well no i guess. He's on his way to smoke after the portable destroyed. So maybe that doesn't apply but yeah they did everything really here Also the name check los compadres. We're gonna be able to get out our our holographic cowboy hats again on the livestream. Jim right so they they talk about hygiene which i ever done. They make i look in these up to get. The geography is the fourth largest asteroids in the solar system. It's just under four hundred kilometers wide. Apparently they have a los compadres. Which is the ridiculous Martian texan franchise that that bobby and and alex i visited the season. And bobby's wrinkling her nose. I can't believe you can stay in that place. Him muttering under his breath ever needs. Everyone needs compadres. I thought it was so fucking funny. Being served their advertising slow. It's the no rules just right. Everyone come see your compadres data. Yeah no it's totally the commercial. It's totally the jingle fucking love it and it makes it can also one of the things. Alex is a bit more of a clown this. I think he's always been kind of the clan of the career but he's more of a clown kind of it kind of takes the sting out of the character going away honestly like it feels like almost like they wrote to make alex kind of all the jokes Yeah he's the douchebag that likes the fucking likes getting onto mechanical ball when And and getting thrown off and cetera up. So what's a low g mechanical bull riding you get thrown off and you go forty feet into a wall right right right. Yeah whereas like probably a lot easier to stay on it right you know. They must have the buck three times harder to compensate for reduced martian. Gravity dam spin three times faster back on the luna the union. The un secretary general pasture calls an admiral delgado to his office to speak frankly about his measured. Response to marco's atrocities. Okay this is the already add Yeah where he he then asks doug otto about even think. This is the right decision and delgado's gets fire fire sameting clearly. It's not all just like our from a military perspective. This is the right call now. It's from a personal perspective. And he lays out the strategy of like look years no way this can be a disproportionate response when you're talking about taxes civilians. He's haydn human shields. This not going to be blood on your hands. And then you know pasture quite reasonably saying. I have a feeling the all this. We're all going to have blood on their hands and gatos children response. Well if it's their blood. I'll take it get it like i said. Id's are understandable human impulses into enemies hands and the. It's going to be a longer harder. War to fight in urgency. A well armed when like this one. But it's probably the quicker in the long run. It's to quicker more sure way towards getting back to the peaceful stable equilibrium room. You want and maybe maybe a way to like if you do resist like you know. To the extent that the earth to exempt to earth and martians resist disproportionate responses. A gives the beltre's that are horrified by this and saying this is us it gives them strength and makes the aggressors in the belt the bloodthirsty ones that people chant makes them week to the extent that earth leans in and brutalizes. More beltre's weakens the people crying out for peace and saying this isn't us and it strengthens those marcos inca fans you know like you can. You can argue whether it's like you know moral whatever all you want. I'm just saying that's the literal calculus on the ground. So as a military strategist. He's got to know that right. I think he's a little bit cloud. Like i feel like every time i've seen military debate like the the ge like thank god we have civilian control the military because we didn't always just be like fuck it. We got these nukes nukem. We got these troops. Let's run down their throat. We got these military hammer hitting Obviously military all the nails look very military when you've got military hammer. So meanwhile onboard the chain smoker. Naomi listens in horror as alex gallantly informs her that their burn hard and when when when they're on board the screaming eagle that means something like that means they're going to get faster than probably the other ship in the system. So that causes redouble her efforts to do something. And eventually she has a breakthrough that on the i watch is like well. The music's telling me she's crying in relief so she did something fucked if i know what it was. You wanna walk us through this jim. Yeah so the best. I understand it. What she's doing here is cutting out certain parts of the message. And that's like she at first when you hear are like repeating the message to herself. She's memorizing it and the pace the tempo of it right so the wind. She's back in the in between the hulls chink. Kinda get a feel for them and what she's doing and she's cutting out the transmission strategically to make the transmission. Say something else in this case. What it says is this is naomi gotta tell james. I'm in control There there's a big long pause but this is exactly how it goes down in the book a same message. Same method all that and so. I was not confused at all by this. I'm like okay. I see what they're doing here like. Oh this is interesting. I didn't know how they would film this because it's very complicated. What she's doing. It seems like you were able to pick up on pretty much everything. She's doing now so by the time. The credits roll. I understood everything. And i thought it was brilliant and i thought the way they told the story where it's like groundhog's day someone doing i guess what she's essentially doing is going to every internal circuit. Break it in this. The ship is probably numbered in some way and she's keeping track of which ones he's tried so she doesn't get confused and eventually she'll find the one that is cutting the communications now. I do have another problem with the whole tamper. Sensors like desi my just randomly flipping breakers on and off and ship that you would probably flip the tree at tampere sensors. I don't know. But if i just take it at face value a very clever plan that she succeeded at and they told very you know like you felt her fear and exhaustion and facts. Yes it is laborious system. Where like she goes in there. And she has a limited supply of oxygen before the carbon dioxide builds up and kills her and she every time she comes up gasping and you just short handed her chiseling the numbers into the side of the whole. The shows like the amount of effort in a very efficient and cinematic way. And it's hot. It's yup i imagine. Sure she's sweating up a storm that sued and when they do a lot of subtle things over things to like where they've got a literal sensor like biller with the bomb back on us or whatever beefing at him. It's beeping naomi here telling her. Co two high co two high but subtle stuff to where she walks back and she takes off her helmet but not only. Does she do that. I thought the first time she could've opened her sued. She was stripping down getting out of the. Because maybe it was hot or something. And i'm like man that seems inefficient. I eventually realized what she's doing is she's letting the c o two out of her suit and refilling with blair filling her oxygen tank which is or suit exactly. Yeah so a lot of really cool subtle touches there that i liked agreed so then like i said we i kind of streamlined. Because this cuts back and forth between this next. We're gonna talk about which drummers fleet they receive naomi's distress signal but drummers ordered not to respond as carol tells them that she's naomi's space herself on marcos ship as a chorale as it carol. Carol is hilarious. Yeah it is curl perol tells her that space aboard marcus flagship. However kuralt is shocked to find that the message apparently is changing. Which shouldn't be possible if no one is on board the ship. Naomi is dead. I don't. I don't have a lot of this speech here but what i couldn't help but notice in the seen as the lighting. It's so good. It's got this like deep texture to it. It's it's dark but there are so many colors in it. It's like oranges and greens and blues. You you can see like stuff. That's clearly meant to be illumination in the oranges and lanterns and stuff. But then you also get like the screens right adding the blues and the greens and just like this. This show is beautiful. It's got an understated beauty to it. But man the person who lit the scene genius. It's also and i know they've talked about this the making of that. They deliberately do the lighting so that at a glance you can tell what ship your on my show. Writing scheme of the razorback is completely different from the ross and auntie which is completely different from the chain smoker which is completely different from drummers ships. And you can immediately get grounded on what ship. What faction at least. Because i you know like the martian ships are kind of all the same but like breaking definitely. Tell the difference between these different factions by the environment. And i think that's that's really cool. Usually that that goes to plan and see like you can tell if you're on earth or the moon or mars without them telling them to just because based on what materials are constructed in whether they have windows and have blue skies outside that kind of thing. And i think that's that's really cool and a lot of the shows that do like game of thrones at the same way like every single location had to have its own cultural. Look and feel because you go around the so many different locations you quickly get lost without the intro and without those visual motifs and also since real life works that way you can kinda tell whether you're an american city or a european or asian city or an african city without too much trouble based on what companies are there what the buildings look like what language there are like. That's kind of adds a little bit of world building. That's everything doesn't look the same. Like even in the twenty first century. Everything's been so fucking homogenized. It's still pretty easy to tell where you're at based on like scientists and stuff so i think it's useful and also makes the world feel a lot. Hell hell of a lot more real. I love the scene. There's so much. Like i fucking love drummer so much. We're like corral tries to tell her that you can save. Naomichi is spins around and watch me. And then her almost attacking her when she's like starts talking about me because you know one thing we know about naomi like this is something that's established very early to say they're like very good friends and they have a mutual respect for each other drummer naomi. I'm sorry yeah. Okay the stuff like the. Philip has been researching about them right. The really brought them closer together. The stuff on the behemoth him. Whatever from the season three All that stuff has has made them very close and she almost attacks care. She stopped exo. What's her name. not asana. Donna and drummer goes to her quarters. Primal screams i thought was pretty incredible performance and then in desperation seizes the the whiskey she was saving for. When she i think at this point marco and she just fucking chugs it Like drinks at like like it's oxygen bottle and she's on the chain smoker in between holes this great and then there's a little like i. I even thought that the ncaa is really great. The way that carol's kind of like you know trying to peel off another one of drummers faction by saying me tell you the real story about naomi nagata this dead bitch and all that and then naomi from the grave has retort that she's still alive. Really cool really cool. Like i said four four pretty big things that bothered me on. I thought about the naomi parts episode but overall when they cut like. When when i was still trying to figure out what was going on and then when they played that distress message altered distress message over the credits i thought it was. I thought genius so the slow zoom in on the the ring gate one of the ring gates very cool. I i i still. I think this scene the sequence of scenes with drummer and chorale is what's going to eventually push drummer over into michio pa territory. And i don't wanna say too much but the people who've read the books are are ready. We're ready for it. Meteo baby michio. We want it baccio peru looking forward to spending but i've steadfastly refused to google it. I encourage everyone to do that. To read the books wheeler dull dokoupil michio. But i've really think that's the way that she's going she's gonna have. I don't know what do you think her perspective is is at this point drummer her perspective. Yeah on on helping marco on getting by doing what they've gotta do. I think she probably feels a lot. Like naomi fell in that airlock. Like what the fuck in my even. I'm not even. I'm not even a person with my own agency anymore. I'm having everything. I love being subverted into everything i ate like. What is the point of even going on. And i imagine she's gonna cling to this spark from naomi like a drowning person. The real question. I have is what is because like it's almost like it's very analogous to holden's got going on the ross and auntie like she hasn't had the support of oliver crude defy marco. Holden's doesn't have the support of the crew to to rescue naomi from marco. What what's going to be the thing that breaks the tension there because you've got two captains that don't have united crewe beyond the behind a purpose that they desperately want to achieve. What what what breaks that deadlock. It does seem like i said it's like two episodes ago. It does seem like some combination of the screaming eagle screaming fire. Hawk the ross. Auntie and drummers Fleet maybe aided and abetted by the the jupiter and saturn fleets. That are coming by and do detachments and stuff like. Maybe there's some kind of like all in the can stop marco in his tracks. But i i'm not seeing it which i'm glad because i kind of like i kinda liked when the shows are surprises me with cleverness so i mean at this point everybody seems to be so far apart. Not just physically but In a place where none of them are really set up to help each other. You know 'cause. I don't think even even if drummer and holden in the screaming eagle even if they all come together i don't think they're any match for marco's nine plus more ships to change the equation for sure. Yeah and then amos you know. The the enforcer of the group the guy who would normally be getting shit done is completely out of the picture for them. So everybody's so far apart both physically and plot wise that we've only got episodes left. How do they bring this all together. Thing the two episodes. 'cause like you can kinda squid and see you know. Holding and and bobby and alex are already so close as is naomi. They're like getting closer and closer. Amos is far away but he's about to get his hands on her orbital sub orbital starship although i here's another one that bothers me. Why is a ship called a sub orbital ship capable of getting to luna. It's a good question and his de sub orbital it's not capable of orbiting long-term because it doesn't have supplies necessary or is it a statement of its lift capacity because like if you can go to the moon you can certainly achieve earthward it's like you got the delta v. Maybe you don't have the the oxygen water and food supplies where you can you know. Make a direct burned and get their Maybe that's what they're talking about Like time and devoid raided actually tasty to the moon. It's not that long right couple days. Yeah you could pocket the amount of food and water. You need to get to the moon. Yeah i don't know that that's going to be the problem. The limiting factor. But you're right. You're right like lift capabilities. Might be thing like they. Just don't use them for that because you can only transport a couple couple few people whatever yeah like they had called a sh- short haul spacecraft or something and makes more sub orbital. It's like i kept on thinking like what the fuck does that. Even mean sub orbital a like airplane that can kind of get into the stratosphere but clearly can go to the moon but yeah. He's about to get his hands on which brings him back into the orbit of christian and you can kind of see but yeah two episodes laugh. Holy hell they're going to have to move a lot Let me ask you this. Where are they in turn like. Are they about eighty percent through the book at this point there in some ways. They're beyond the end of book. Five in other ways. They're they're definitely approaching the end of it. So yeah that seems crazy. Okay okay. well then. I'm not because i was thinking if you were like. Oh yeah they actually have like a half of because that's happened before like yeah. I remember you thinkin. There's no fucking way. They can finish book three with only half of season three to work with and by god. They did it. You know so. It sounds like they got a different problem. Where yeah. This is not the solution yet. The multiple body problem. I don't have. I don't have the calculator necessary to calculate it. We're we're we're getting there for sure. I could definitely see them wrapping this up in two episodes like the logistics of it are going to be tricky because there's so many things pushing people apart or keeping people from their goals think that's different episode discussion. What's the situation or feedback this week. Thursday situation we. We recorded five seven podcast yesterday and we did all of our feedback. Yeah you guys will hear these a week apart. But in actuality they happened back to back days so we don't have any actual back. I think that's pretty much going to be the case going through the next episode as well but we will definitely have some feedbacks talked about on the finale episode. Because that we're probably almost certainly going have record in real time like it'll be delayed a little bit compared to how we've been releasing these because we don't have a screener for that yet and that may change but i'm not banking on it so we're probably have to do is wait until the finale drops on amazon prime. Then watch it do our research and come back and recorded podcast day or two later and so unless it's possible we'll because right now what he's saying. Is we got screeners for the nine episodes leading up to finale. But you know. We have not gotten the finale episode. It's possible that they'll drop that in the last week i know. Sometimes they leave the last episode finale but sometimes they just never provide a screener for the last episode. That's the case. Then we'll probably be a couple of days behind. We won't be like john spotlight. We've we've been this season and the feedback for the last. Two episodes will probably be somewhat in arrears like. It'll be the feedback for two weeks before because we're back to kind of recording him a week in advance. So if you do watch. The finale episode in our podcast is not already out. Could send your feedback in because we will be recording. Ah shortly and you do that at expanse. All move dot com. That's where you want us in the feedback. We will read it at some point. It's just It might be last week's on this week's episode if that makes sense thanks for joining us for another episode of belt. A lotta really appreciate you listening. And we can't wait to see what happens next week until then we'll be back. Exhibitions said dole. Forget this week. 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The Expanse - Season 5 Preview

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The Expanse - Season 5 Preview

"Support for this podcast comes from we work. Today takes new ways of working new measures toward health and safety flexible terms to scale up and down convenience spaces designed for focus and collaboration. It we work to take your business where you want it to go we work. That's how tomorrow works visit. We work dot com slash tomorrow. Welcome back to belt a lotta the officially unofficial podcast. The expanse on amazon prime. I'm jim i'm iran and we're here today to do our annual Season preview for season. Five we Just got screeners in the door a little bit ago. So we're i know you've seen at least the first three episodes which are going to be dropping wednesday december sixteenth Supposedly at nine am eastern time. Which is noon or nine in pacific which is noon eastern. That's when the spoilers are embargoed. I would assume that our expert for experience with the boys is predictive. Yeah it'll be out actually tuesday night at like eight. Pm or something. A december fifteenth. So look look why not. yeah But yeah we're gonna talk about the season. Like i said i know you've seen at least three episodes. I've seen the first one episode. But i have read obviously five and i. I was able to finish book six Over the last month actually reread book. Five read the raleigh book. Six haven't got seven yet But it doesn't seem like they're gonna get much beyond six except for. There's one hanging hanging chad here. One hanging thread that. I really want them to pull at and it seems like they might be. But we'll we'll talk about that here in a second Maybe we should talk a little bit about how we're gonna cover the season because obviously we get screeners for the season and so it's going to be a little different than most of our other shows but similar to how we covered season. Four right Because we we we did like Just kind of jumped we. We only do like three podcasts. For season for we tried to cause because they released them all in one go right right amazon similar to how we covered the boys. Actually there you go screeners on that because it's exactly the same release model. They're dropping the first three episodes one day and in one episode per week. They'll be ten episodes total. I believe so. Yeah we get a nice nice injection of fresh content and seeing the first three episodes That's a that's a doozy of a place to stop for. Sure i don't wanna spoil anything but The then we'll be getting and since we've got these screeners will be recording a lot of these things in advance And since it's dropping over the holidays unfortunately again Sensitive i five episodes will all recorded in advance. And they'll just be kinda streamed out. We will be taking feedback though. Expansive dot com use in that in also be threads imagine on the forums forums dot com but since up to the show expanse bald move dot. Com is where you do it and we'll we'll probably catch up that feedback Midseason say Will be there for the home. Stretch the other exciting thing that we're going to be doing to new technology that the twitch and amazon Developed jointly is that you can watch amazon prime show on twitch with an audience. And we're gonna be doing that. For all of the fresh expanse episodes we've actually been doing a rewatch of of of the experience leading up to this. And in fact if you wanna come to sci-fi sunday's this sunday night we're going to be doing the episode nine and ten the penultimate and ultimate episode finale episodes of season four on twitch dot tv slash bald. Move if you're an amazon prime member it's really easy. Get yourself a free twitch account a lincoln together there's instructions on her twitch dot tv slash bald. Move about page on how to do that. Walks through and it's it's magic you just you join up at eight pm eastern We hit play everybody watches. It's all synchronize. we can have commentary. It's it's fun hanging out with the chat to great way to watch the expanse and we'll be doing that for all new episodes the following sunday. So it comes out on wednesday that sunday. We will be doing that weeks. Episode in the case of the first week will be doing three episodes and we also we also get started You know kind of the The pre-game the The featured the what would you call that. They run like flash gordon before a movie in the fifties. It's a warmer up. I forget what the teaser the warmer. Yeah the the The order we're going to be doing the start the foreplay. Yeah the at y'all got y'all slick We're going to be doing star trek the next generation classic episodes of that for the first bit so eighty eight pm. We're starting with star trek and then we'll be doing all three episodes of the first season are i'm sorry season five the expanse next sunday And we're gonna keep that even though we'll be on we'll be on christmas vacation From mid december to two first of january. We're still gonna watch the expanse and do sci-fi sundays because we love that much gets the only thing we're doing For work during those two weeks and and our podcast as far as release of those things go. We're gonna add schedule them all for noon when the embargo is up on the day of release but if we see that the episodes of already dropped probably dropped the episodes early. 'cause why not the aids to say the the thing that we released its embargo. You can't review it sorry. Yeah but hopefully some Some you guys will And gals will be motivated to come join us and watched expense with us And get plugged into a sundays. Something we're gonna be keeping going through two thousand twenty one as well What else do i think that's about all we need to talk about as far as the actual housekeeping of belt a lotta. I think so. The deltas have all been loaded I i feel like it's maybe time to do a little refresher because obviously we've been watching this on sci-fi sundays but a lot of people haven't seen the expanse since last year last december two in the last two weeks i actually wrapped up my first time. Read a book for shibata burn fat. Fred just got yeah man. You'll you let it toasts on on illustrator. I'm sorry new terra. Rca fan r. e. e. But yeah i finished reading that and it was really interesting. Because i remember it. A lot of your commentary. As i was reading it and kind of like because i remembered of the two things that stood out in my mind as you said. Mercury is an even bigger asshole in the books. Which how can you gave bigger and the more on washed and mercury and season four. You're lying man do. We're not lying fucking is. He is twice at least twice as big an asshole in the books. it's hard to put your just just more brazen and more or less. I don't know not that. Mercury is charming into series but You also spend more time with him. It's like in a book. You're spending hours upon hours hours of this guy at least double the amount of hours right and some of his internal thought processes and an awful the truly awfulness that he is contemplating is breathtaking. The other thing is you mentioned that you found the Miller bought versus the dark matter. Angry god zai. Anti pro molecule molecule like anticlimactic. And i might cause i. I looked in my notes from last season that i was really impressed with that. Like show that set piece but of course you read it in the books where they don't have a budget for words and write. It is like alike as amazing as i thought that was like reading the book. It's kind of like a junior high version of the musical. A broadway musical. They acquired the budget. They don't quite. This is supposed to be a set and it's really just cardboard It's pretty amazing. That i remember. It's been a long time. So redbook for but i remember the whole stuff with the bara cola being more involved Dip having a harder time keeping that thing in orbit and then having more like threats at it more more things to deal with coming from the rc grew. Yes there's a whole militia ther- space battles with space. Suits on on the mutiny. Stuff was Is that for is that from season. Four is from a book three. I think you're talking book three. There's not really. There's definitely different factions onboard. Hey there's a whole plot havlik. Which was miller's old partner on Serious station that he was like the head. Junior head of security left in charge of the ship in orbit edward israel while mercury fucking around down on the planet. And he's trying to get like the the you know The inner organized especially the towns on the into a militia day could repel beltre's if they had to they kidnapped naomi For like half the book and hold over there like none of this stuff happens on the show. They cut all this stuff down to make. It's very simple stuff that's happening on the surface by and large but Yeah but yeah So i'm pretty fresh up on my season. Four stuff to saying okay cool so let's talk a little bit about where we left off in season four. Obviously he's four centered almost entirely around. It was basically illness and then oversaw Back on earth and then bobby on mars And let's start with this stuff off avila's because i guess it's the smallest stuff but like i had this battle with nancy gal the entire season over. Who was going to get elected to the position. She currently holds the adversary and get reelected or as nancy. Gal gonna get elected. Ouster turns out nancy. How does win that election. So adversary lanao is. I'm not sure. They state her position in season four but they do right off the bat and season five. Yeah she sees exiled to luna should intially far away where she can't really She's she's still. I think an important part of the taryn government on paper. But she's clearly the personnel put. So i don't know you. And i when we were watching season four i remember talking about how offer sarala seemed like she was out of her element when she was a secretary. A secretary general the when she was like the under assistant undersecretary fucked she was before our sorrento. Yeah she was much better right she. She knew how to work in those those spaces. Do you think we see that adversarial. Come back out. Now that she's no longer working for an election and under scrutiny. The public is much. I hope so from I you know. I don't want to spoil his but from what i've seen so far. She's she's kinda frustrated and chafing you know in this role and and still still some estrangement with her in our june blodget in june whatever the the new art the are june But yeah. I don't know i mean that's that's the that's the hope. Like how does she i. I guess that's a big question is like how does she or if she does wrest control from nancy gow that they've the she for find some way to spin up some kind of independent skunkworks operation within the un government. The kind of Track down these threats to earth and to humanity at this point not just arthur's beltre's martians. It's you know what we go. An we activate this civilization. Or you know this. This one threat we know knows wiped out a galaxy spanning civilization far beyond our comprehension before. What the hell would humanity do if they were confronted with that that threat again. There's a lot of serious serious threats. All and i don't blame him but all the people on earth and mars bell can seize the opportunity you know because there's been so little for so long that they're ready to roll the dice with that now. It's it's super interesting. That stuff plays out in these coming books. At least we'll see how it goes in the series. I'm looking forward to offers is not a huge part of book five. She's she's in it I won't talk too much about it. But like she's kind of in the background of book five So i don't. I don't know if they're going to push ahead into it now. She's not a huge part of books. She's she's in there certainly as well. So i'm i'm wondering what they're gonna do with her like we might see not entirely new stories for her but get a lot more insight into what she's doing because she does have important roles to play so but but you don't see a ton of it and rolla wasn't really in book for either. She was like a mentioned. Because you you you like holden would refer to where she screamed at him that you know like she get tight to fragment of a tight beam of her berating holden for fucking something up or whatever but like she's not really a pov care she's not even she's not much of a character just something that's eluded to. That's why holding this year. You know on on ellison new teric. They're counting on him to do the thing you always does. On est and tell the truth and That's politically advantageous for them at that moment. Yeah and she has a more active role to play in in books beyond book for so. Hopefully we'll get to see more has got i love her. The she's such good actor. So let's talk about bobby. That's the other canal off off world thing happening here over mars Bobby has been doing some stuff from the gods of risk novella That last season in season for Which involves like finding out. Who is buying martian gear and and using the underworld. they're on mars as it sort of falls apart. Thanks to the new world of opened up and all that opportunity like you're talking about people are leaving mars right And mars is like mars being stripped and just sold off. So i think that's must go pretty much where we leave her right like. She's in with this like a lot of that. Underworld gets killed off. I think at the end of the season. I think what happens. Is that she at the in the last bit of reaching out to answer allah and says ma'am i've abbas Tried to offer a position in her administration and she turned it down because she's trying to. She's very proud. She wants to make it as a martian. She believes in the future of mars and book for season four season for lisa's her being disillusioned with all that the jet the end she sends a message to adversarial. Saying ma'am. i've uncovered this kind of conspiracy to sell martian military weaponry Two people to to who whomever and somebody needs to do something about it. Then i need help. Essentially okay I wanna take. I wanna take you up on that job. Offer and that pretty much is In early goings of season five. Her essentially doing what she did. And she's still doing like criminal stuff but it's like as undercover kind of like trying to figure out who is doing this. Where is this stuff going you know. Get turning it into actionable intel forever. Sorolla yeah so. I assume we're gonna see the continuation of that storyline with bobby here in season five and then the other group kinda the only other main group to talk about is the rossi group and at the end of book four or sorry season four of the show. The rossi has dealt with the situation on illness. And there's as an uneasy truce there. I guess now that mercury's arrested in an third. Oh killed killed no. He's arrested right away. He should have been killed but he was arrested. Dame your money does it really funny sight gag with amos's gear involving murder tree that i quite enjoyed in the early goings of season five. I'm not gonna say anything more than that. Okay pay attention to the amos's personal effects for easter egg about his conflict with mercury. none prior Yeah so the rossi is in bad shape. They they if you recall had to use their rail gun as a propulsion system in order to toe the barbecue to a higher orbit so that it wouldn't burn up in the atmosphere while james holden was down there fucking around technology He manages the reason being that the fusion reaction in the system was shut off. Thanks to the alien tech. So holden's down there fucking around with miller bought and they're going through the catacombs of this old technology and they managed to find essentially the power. Switch the millers been looking for and he manages to with the help of oh koya and Miller bots shut down this alien technology fusion reaction comes back online and they're able to save the bar cola but the rossi took a lot of damage in the process. Yeah there's like you know the the fucking mercury that astle Launched the arm shuttle adam. Did some damage says that the the rossi is Really banged up. It's really really really banged up in the books Jack alike disabled And i think the show is not as bad but still it's going to have to spend quite a bit of time in drydock Which gives the crew for the first time since the fucking can't the ability to kind of do whatever they want their grounded for some time And the thing that the thing that surprised me about season five. I wasn't expecting is the crudest kind of fragments. Everyone kind and you saw that in the trailer The everyone's kind of doing their own thing but everyone really kind of does her own thing. Anus has some business that he has to finish a mysterious business. He has to finish on earth Alex decides that he wants to go back to mars and try to like some kind of contact with his family and maybe check up on his old war. Buddy bobby now and the naomi One of the big Plot crumbs from season four is her finding that you know Getting information about her son. Ex-lover marcos and i think it seems like one of the major themes for her. The season is trying to find her son. Philip and you know. Get him out from underneath his terrorist father's clutches the and. So she's doing she doesn't want you know. Famous taryn boyfriend. James holden tagging along. So so you know jim gets left behind everybody else. Kind of has their own little adventures. Have no idea how long that's gonna last before everybody gets back together as already. Our it sucks. Bobby's off and doing her own thing. Now everybody's gotta do doing their own thing I'm wondering what brings them back together at this point. Yeah it feels so weird. It's it's like it's different thing for the expanse it's a. It's a change of pace. When happens in the books. I will say i really enjoyed book five and they did this same thing so look forward to you. Know a a good season. I don't think it affected it. Strange just wasn't what i expected. Yeah when you think about like oh if they in firefly did this right and like mala win one way and did chain goes the other way and read walsh. Yeah like it would. it would not feel like firefly The expanse somehow manages to pull it off where it still feels very much like the expanse. Even though all these characters are cast to the wind. I agree a couple of other characters. I want to touch on is drummer which has become a fan favourite one of my favorites She raised quits. Read johnson's organization at the end of last season So she's going to be doing her own thing clock kloss ashford is dead. So he's not going to be a part but he is certainly in. The early goings a season. Five weighs heavy on drummers mind And this is something that tickled me and someone that's gone. Read the book kind of in arrears drummer didn't exist in book three. Yeah it was this person. Carlos the bull. It was one of fred. Johnson's old like he was like two sergeant to fred's lieutenant or whatever in in the tear in marines and there's an old war buddy and he kind of like presses him back to like be security chief and drummer and tiredly took his role by in season. Five since drummers gone you know he's still needs a chief of security they just resurrect that guy from book three pull him in exactly like they do beginning a book three with fred kind of raga rolling like hey you owe me and you might not even like me or want to be here but i need you and i really liked that because i thought i as much as i love drummer i really liked bull and now i feel like i get to see both flavors And it's pretty cool I will say about the drummer thing. I think what they're gonna do with drummer because you see her in the previous. So she's definitely in this season certainly This won't mean much for people who haven't read books six yet. But i think she's going to be the michio pa of the group and has meaning to me neither. Yeah i will say. She has a big role to play. If that's the case. But i really don't know what they're doing with drummer because they've replaced one character with drummer. Are they going to replace another with drummer and replace drummer with a the character. She replaced initially i. I could see it. It would totally work out. for may motivation standpoint. So yeah there's a couple other surprised faces in previous seasons. I don't want to necessarily spoil but like characters that i would never have thought to be. You know a big part of the expanse going forward are kinda put front and center in early goings and season five. Which i think is a treat. One thing that. I had a big question from last year is is miller really truly gone. And what does that even mean you know like miller and in the books i think The books one of my favorite parts of the fourth book is the inner monologue of the investigator like every few chapters. You would get this thing where it's from like the. I don't know how to describe it because it's very cool. An extraterrestrial but it's essentially told from the perspective of the pro molecules reaching out subroutine. And like all the blinds of the different consciousnesses in there and miller's one of them the investigator it's one of the tools it tries to use to do the flip on switches and an open doors all things he was talking about and i really got an a a real appreciation for what they're doing that because it's not literally miller and if miller comes back it doesn't mean that it's even the same miller that was investigated before it's just it's it can take miller apart and use them however it wants and he's got. He's got awareness. But the proto molecule does and i think that's fascinating And it's open question for me of whether we'll ever see miller again and what does that even mean. If we see miller again is at the same miller I but i. I hope so because i think that some of the best parts in the book and i really enjoyed like season four. They do a lot more of the miller holding stuff. Like there's at one point where holden tells miller that lag. Do you know anything about the fusion. That's no longer working in orbit of illness. And miller says something bold of you too soon that it's thought that affect stops at the at orbit and miller and holden's i are you telling me that the sun's gonna stop working. Oh my god. Miller is the sun gonna stop you know like a lot of fun exchanges like that because there are things like miller knows a lot but not i said it's really hard to describe those interludes. They're called with the investigator because it is. It's really hard to write like intelligences. They're not like yourself and they did a really fucking good job. And i hope we still get that I hope we still get that stuff. Because we know that fred won. The big things remember is fred thompson. John johnson thank you fred. Johnson has the proto molecule still. Yeah yeah there. There is a piece of molecules Still out there. So the other thing i don't know if the show didn't make this or if it just This point enough or it was made especially well in the book but the idea that illustrate or new terra was a dead planet until the pro molecule gotten to orbit on on that little blob that they had in the cargo hold and that started waking everything up So i thought one of the things going to be all these human colonies going all these different worlds and they're all going to have these different adventures with these proto molecule stuff. But it doesn't seem like that's the case except there is still a little bit of live wrote a molecule into solar system. And what the hell's going to happen with that bright and kind of what. I love about it because over sarah's so worried about what's going to happen if people start going through the gates and activating technology that we don't even understand from being the are so much more powerful than us. It's it could it just simply be like if humanity doesn't have a sample the pro molecule. There's nothing to fear and so like everything that nancy gow is saying about the opportunities in steph. This focus is going to be totally cool totally fine. Because there's not enough protein molecule out there it's hidden away and all good questions i will say like. I'm super helpful. That miller comes back. Five won't say anything about books but obviously one of my favorite characters in my favorite character throughout the show. So i if he does come back. I'm looking forward to it support for this. Podcast comes from microsoft teams. Now there are more ways to be a team with microsoft teams. 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They be stopped Will because earth doesn't even know about them that's a really terrifying part Are they going to be able to you. Know find out in time. How will they like. Those are all a bunch of open questions. and I can't i can't say anything more. Yeah i know too much. I can't say i was. You know we haven't discussed a trailer but One thing. I will say about the trailers all but about ten seconds of the trailer that i can tell and they weren't even momentous ten seconds or just like you know a picture of like one of them's A vaccine apparently all those like ninety seven percent of the trailer comes from the first three episodes that you're going to see week So i like that. Because i like anytime that you get the trailers. It's all early going material because that leaves a whole lot left for speculation and the whole lot left to see a lot lot lot of mystery to to unravel and it sets a pays for the season that look. I think this is going to be a blisteringly fast sees As a matter of fact we haven't talked yet about how about the news. The big news about the expanse right season. Five is the second to last season. they're gonna end it with a the next season season six. I think they are about to blast. Not only through books five and six but maybe through the entirety of the rest of the series in one way or another. I think there's a lot around five and six two could stop But what. They're doing with monica stewart. Especially makes me think they might try and blast right to the fucking end with her with her Stuff yeah i so i. I've i've stayed very careful to be spoiler free. I have seen a couple of meta conversations that kind of say they like. Look books one through three re trilogy and no one thought that the in you know when you're reading book one and two and we talk about this pre-game like is watching us. I seasons. I'm thinking like you know where they're gonna use. Promo molecule stuff is kinda dumb the space on bees and like kind of alien threads like. Okay whatever i did not see stargate system spanning universe spanning star gates right like that and i've heard that like the books four five and six are another one of those where it's like you think it's about one thing and then they'd some kind of mind blowing thing that happens at the end the kinda kicks things up another notch. I can't like. I said i couldn't even see star game. I'm thinking like what the hell is the next kickoff of the notch and that my understanding is seven eight nine are then dealing with that other set of questions so just a way we re about this season three like if season three ended. Yes what humana going to do with the stargate but it's also kind of an interesting place to end the series. You've the proto molecule stuff all the stuff with You know Gop meow and and the shadow governments and the takeover to you in the martian plots and all this stuff all kinds of was neatly tied together. And then you know season four really was a step forward beyond all that stuff all the stuff that we work hearing so much about was irrelevant and i. I wonder if i wonder if that they've got away. To like sever things and leave it at season six. And i'm not saying they would stay there but like this was the production companies decision from what i understand And could they then take shop two different studio with amazon. Maybe take it over themselves. Are there a possibility. Tell the other books and movies. I don't know but why shed new hits. It's just a huge puzzling to me. Why they shut this down. Because i essentially assume that they have a blank check for amazon at this point. Like make this thing. If you've noticed it looks a hell of a lot better. Now that it's on amazon. Instead of sci-fi like side did a great job. I don't wanna give him too much but like amazon is bumped up a notch. You tell their spending money on this thing and you can tell that it's a passion project. Why the studio would say no to that to continue to make this. I wonder if there's something where like look amazon doesn't have the best reputation as far as working with the people on its platform. I wonder if they're squeezing a studio in the same way that they squeeze of their product providers and things like that. There might be some bad blood there. I don't know maybe it could be something to amazon trying to like. You said squeezed them so they can get it onto their own. It could just be the alcon. Doesn't see 'cause that's other things like. I don't know we don't have a lot of intern. We don't have a lot of insight into how big the expanse is on amazon's platform right You know there's a big massive increase in interest in expands when it was being canceled during season. Three in the whole save The three men fire hawks and expanse all that stuff really increased a lot interest. Blew up to sub reddit from my thirty thousand people to like where it is now. Two hundred thousand But i don't. I don't know it doesn't feel like it's grown a lot since then and i wonder if especially since last year i thought it was foolish to dump all thing a date. You know three minutes till midnight on christmas eve or whatever it was yeah and like it didn't really make a huge like you know. Season three was on the front page of read it and it was going around social media and it was trending on twitter in his trending on facebook season. Four did not do that. I wonder if like alcan's is kind of like well. You know we're gonna make this thing and on the next trilogy. Just gonna be another increase in budget. We're going to have to do it another and like we just wanna part of it anymore. I don't know the i don't have any special inside. i'm. I'm making sumptious here but it just seems strange to me that like a show that has to have some kind of like set in stone. We're definitely gonna make this stuff like it would have the production company going. We don't want to. I will say there's an opportunity for us to get a little like Is not. It's not like laboratory or nielsen type data but There's this twist tracker that shows like amount of traffic and various things and one of the things as watch parties which is as new technology allows us to watch episodes with an audience on twitch and that technology essentially was kind of like at a very low level and then the boys dropped and then there's this massive increase in watch parties and i'm very very curious when twitches very sci-fi friendly you know The boys did very well on. It is when win the expanse comes out. I'm very curious about whether you see a similar spike. Is it going to be a bigger spike. A smaller spike. Because i think we know that amazon considers the boys like a runaway. Hit like they're very pleased with the way and got a lot of made a big splash this year. Everybody's talking about it I'm very curious to compare those numbers when we get when when all that stuff comes out. Because i think like if you see a spike as big as the boys that says something. Sure if it's significance half the size or less than it's like that says something to again. It's not necessarily scientific. It's not necessarily representative because twitches a very unique platform very curated audience of mostly. Probably people opened a scifi comic book stuff. But it's going to be some kind of data the we'll have our hands on Maybe we can talk about that as as we go forward in the season. I'm excited to see what they do. The other big old meatball hanging out. There's the news back kassian far He won't be a part of season six and if if people if people haven't heard Over the break between last season in this one there has been a little bit of scandal about him Some sexual misconduct perhaps around. Maybe minors at conventions and it's it was a whole thing Yeah ton of details. I just what i can glean from the news articles. I read but he won't be coming back for season six but he will be in season five because they already shot him and You know. I don't know what that means the right him out. I don't know if that means they'll replace him. I know that they've clarified that yet. not too bad because like Cass var again. These these allegations are really serious. And kinda gross. You know like essentially preying on underage fans over social media and at convention appearances. He's a grown ass. Man that's It's such really gross and damaging. The people and i could see a lot of fans not even wanting to watch a show with him and at this point but he's a really good alex and Y- the big shoes to fill. That's not impossible. Like you know hell they recast the original star trek crew to some acclaim they require they recast james bond every ten years or so but they also incident did recast our june and we saw that went not great not great but that was something they didn't like i. I heard that that was kind of a last minute was a scheduling conflict with original actor. It's not something they wanna do. This is obviously not something wanna do either. But they've got a years of lead time to fix this so like if you wanna find like it surely you can find a fucking decent alex out there if you wanted to. Or maybe you can just you know You could somehow right his character out and sunway. I struggling you know like a between seasons The tight beam holden. Get saying hey. I went back to mars and i'm gonna shack up from old lady and just don't worry about me ever again I think i think the crowd pleaser here is to pull in somebody who nobody can really argue with like Oscar isaac or something right like when somebody big pedro pass. I'll get him on now. Though that would that would be interesting. That would be like probably ten times the casting budget of anybody else but your point stands like he was a really good alex and also. That's the other damn. Shame about all this is. He's beloved amongst community for kind of spearheading The the save the expanse campaign and it's unfortunate that he abused his power entrusted we put into them and and really gross ways. But that's how. I don't think that's like some people like oh my god. Because he was really good news. Bad news good news. Expanses already been green lit for season six in advance of season. Five even coming out like yeah faith and they and then it's like also by the way it's going to be a final season and and is going to be no longer part of the career and so i don't. I don't think it has any what i guess i don't think has one has anything to do with the other. It's not like shit. Don't pass and how we got to shut this whole fucking thing down but It is going to be hard to replace that. Because he defines alex for me like when i read books now I'm i'm seeing cassandra's face when i'm reading alex's chapters all these people's lives they sometimes jarring because like Naomi and amos don't really particularly fit their physical descriptions in. Yeah in the series. So when i go back and read the books always takes me water recalibrate. Oh right. I mean alex willowy seven foot tall alien looking woman and misses a lot older. And kind of pudgier stock you're balding and he's got an alex says the same right like alex is better shape. It's been the joke. The running joke for the last three or four seasons is alex's gotten a better shape and in the book is just as pudgy. Your good guy. Yeah yeah drawl in. Draw in texas guy but yeah. It's a bummer. But i think it's also what you gotta do crisis. I'll be consequences that this kind of behavior. So that's definitely bittersweet getting season six and losing alex and losing the series. I but i do i. I saw some statements but dan and tie The joint writers for the expanse saying that like Now always thought that third trilogy was going to be a long shot because it is again. I don't know what this means but here that it's like a huge increase in terms of complexity and sci fi stuff and and and maybe it's something would be better off on a big on a on a big budget movie but that's the question is like that's why i'm really so desperate to know how doing audience wise we're starting to get some cool merch. You know like a whole line of ships is coming out. There's some t shirts and stuff available But like i'm really because like you know the odds of getting a hundred billion dollar budget book. Seven is gonna depend on how popular the series is you know and i don't have any numbers on that since it's left sifi which you know we wasn't doing great there detto. I will say like as far as the escalade of stuff and if they ever get Seven or whatever. We're staring down. The barrel of another big exco escalated. And that's the story of the expanse like you were talking about earlier every time you think. Oh the story is small ball or or own. That was wrapped up nicely. They don't need to go anywhere else. Boom ring gate opens or boom the thing the jellyfish comes out of venus. Like yeah does are all huge moments. That blew your mind and they have a knack for somehow lulling into this idea that they can't possibly go any bigger and every time they do that. I'm i'm put to shame because they go bigger go better and i think this season will be no different in assume books. Seven thousand nine if they ever get around to making those on the big screen or the small screen will be no different as well. I don't know i. I'm super excited to see what people think about this season because man those books those books go places. I will say that like my impression of the first three episodes is. It's a bit more of a slow burn You know and it felt it. Yeah like they're have a lot more to send out instead because there are a lot a lot more threads to pull out with everybody splitting up exactly exactly and you have to service all these characters. And they're all you know spread hither and yon and There's a lot of stuff that you know with with amos's personal business and and Alex's personal business enami's personal business it takes a lot to set up and establish but Like i said the the the the third episode Cliffhanger is a fuckin- doozy. Yes so i imagine things will start picking up For sure. I say the least. I think that's about all i got Yeah just just want to reiterate that next wednesday at noon eastern standard time is when we plan on all three episodes of the first three episodes. I should say of season five dropping then we drop an one episode every wednesday hints There we will probably consider limited feedback of the first five episodes. Because we're gonna re essentially record all those in advance and in starting the new year You know when we start recording closer to win their air will start getting the same way. Did the feedback for the boys were essentially one week in arrears and that worked out pretty well and then also don't forget sci-fi as every sunday every sunday from here until the heat death of the universe possibly or the expanse whichever comes first. Well no well definitely outlived the think. We're going to keep that go. Oh okay yeah. Yeah but saifi. Sundays every sunday at eight. Pm eastern standard. We will watch this season. We watch an episode of Probably season three star trek. That's what we're on right now. The next generation and then the new expanse episodes for those that week and we'll keep doing that. Great time got great audience. A lot of fun that really encourage you to join us at twitch dot tv slash bald move every sunday night at eight pm eastern And you can follow us over at twitch. You can see our schedule. You can find out how to link up your amazon prime account if you have one to your free twitch account to join in on these live watches and i hope he was going to be a lot of fun. It's easy. don't be intimidated by the process. Super simple yeah. It takes sixty seconds at most essentially. You're just log in to your your yup and The other thing to mention is feedback. Expanse paul due dot com. Wherever we see a we'll see then And intellect time mehran abject.

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A MedTech Company That Thinks Like a Biopharma

The Bio Report

33:37 min | 1 year ago

A MedTech Company That Thinks Like a Biopharma

"Leading a startup team whether delivering a sugar rush stocking coffee or getting a regular delivery of snacks office depot has solutions that fit every startup culture from getting those first business cards and stationery to ordering Fleece pullover with your new logo to learn how office depot and the California Technology Council have partnered to bring you savings on all of these startup essentials and more go to California technology dot org forward slash member benefits. I'm Daniel Levin and this is the bio report fuck orchestra. Biomed may play at the intersection of drugs and devices. But it's business strategies clearly drawn from the biopharmaceutical industry. The company develops its pipeline and then leverages strategic alliances with global partners who can best commercialize its products and maximize their potential. We spoke to David Huffman. Ceo OF ORCHESTRA biomed about the company's therapeutic devices large market opportunities. It's targeting and how it seeks to rewrite the way MED tech companies. Think about partnering David. Thanks for joining US. For Greater Speaker. Thanks for having me. We're GONNA talk about orchestra. Biomed life at the intersection of Med tech and biopharmaceuticals and your recent financing events. Let's start with Arkestra more. Broadly though how do you describe the company? So it's a great question something since we founded the company and started this business about a year and a half ago. We spent a lot of time on because It's not an easy answer. But these really were describing ourselves as a strategic development partner to market leaders in the MED tech space We are a biomedical Innovation Company. And the core of what we do is the development of high impact products for major unmet needs enlarge Medical Condition Large Market. Major medical conditions lead products focus on arteries the number one killer in the world and hypertension the number one. Contributing risk factor. But our business model really and I started with the strategic partner industry is about really enabling the we think more capital efficient. The more Successful realization of these products bringing them to patients into physicians through strategic partnerships with established commercial market leaders. And where we'RE GONNA share the risk and share the rewards share the challenges development commercialization. And we think that's really at this point. The key differentiator. Something novel that we're bringing to the metric industry that we think is important innovation in and of itself In terms of being able to do a better job of advancing a pipeline of products and really seeing those products get whether to go which is to the market. The company's product lines have traditionally been considered medical devices. These are devices though that that have therapeutic purposes. Do you think there's a a valuation or opportunity penalty for being thought of as a medical device company? Well I think that's a great question because while healthcare innovation itself encompasses You know biopharmaceutical development Development Gene therapy medical technology medical devices through. You're talking about and more recently I think. Great advances in digital health. All of those different types of innovations. I think are thought of differently in terms of business model pathway to value and evaluation and medical technology medical devices particularly in the last say ten plus years. I I think the view In terms of valuation changed significantly if we look at that Either a capital market for a strategic perspective not focus has been on revenue and revenue growth is a major driver value. If you look at how any Wall Street analysts look emerging growth net tech and really meant take over all that revenue. Multiple is a big driver when we think about Bio Pharma. Look at you know we shipped over and say have Wall Street. Value Buyer farmer. I'm generally you're GONNA see valuations built off of long term probability and risk adjusted discounted cash flows and so one valuation metric is very much about the present. What is this product and this company generating with product in terms of revenue today and in the near future? What are the prospects for grow? But we we look at the other valuation methodology Bio Pharma. It's really a forward value. It's really a forward thinking forward looking value and the potential of the product. I think is captured much more in that long-term DCF those differences evaluation have a big impact on the whole cascade all the way down to early stage innovation and how you funders stage. I if you if you use a DC F- approach you in theory contained and very early stage product and we see this biotech even preclinical stage products with the potential and And be able to apply significant values and therefore And she access to a lot of capital to development to develop them at a relatively low cost capital the MED tech or medical device base. There really hasn't been the case. And and last ten years I think that's really impacted the availability of capital for early ideas and certainly more importantly availability of capital to fund the Mark Spencer Parts OF THE PROCESS LATE STAGE. Clinical Valentine the pursuit of regulatory approvals and then market entry and and so when we conceived the businessman Corker biomed and our strategy was really looking at those two different approaches the value and trying to see if we could create a business model. Four things that yes would be thought of as medical devices. Our products are a little. You know I guess unconventional you know drug device combination product violent tonic therapy and yes the market that we factor traditional medical device market. The business model is really about. How do we approach realizing value in a different way where we have her create way of you? Value is to a bio Pharma lands a longer term powered value of our future cash flow potential. Rather than. What are we doing today? You're in the very near future terms of rabid. I think it's fair to say that. The medical device industry hasn't been as successful at forging leveraging partnerships and licensing opportunities the way the biopharmaceutical industry. Has I imagine part of the reason for this is the cost and time to develop products. Hasn't been as daunting. Is this the case when you're dealing with the types of drug device combinations or something that's like a bio electric device? That's serving a therapeutic function. I don't think it necessarily just about the cost or the challenges. Alison I think. are actually advantages. I would agree in terms of cost. Time regulatory hurdles for devices I think those advantages probably been compressed. A little bit particularly for as you talk about a combination or or certainly even PMA class three devices or have significant impact. I think the challenge actually in pathway to commercials I think the key different y strategic partnerships haven't been in the tech world core to advancement product versus in the biotech world. I think we all think of strategic partnerships licensing the of of the norm. You know the the most obvious path for an innovator to eventually find their products half the market commercialization of drugs devices is very different and the last ten years is really seen a lot of change in the way. That hospitals are organized. Ambulatory medical centers organized and how medical device products are evaluated in purchase value? And it's driven really significant changes in the COMMERCIAL ORGANIZATIONS THE LEADING MED TECH COMPANY. So we see massive consolidation. We think about market leaders like Medtronic Johnson Johnson striker Avid Boston Scientific You know last. Ten years has seen significant consolidation and really. It's been in response to their customer base consolidating a hospital and medical facility world has significant consolidation. And so it's not sufficient to show clinical evidence gained regulatory approval and then the -ssume that entry to the market is easy and the tech world. Maybe once was and the last few decades for that. If you think about that versus the pharmaceutical not to trivialize You know the commercial challenges of Pharmaceuticals. But I think people assume that commercializing a drug that you've gotten approval and reimbursement for particularly in the modern era where a lot of the most significant advancement ended rare and orphan diseases which usually have very targeted population or in areas. Like immuno oncology which sub types of different cancers can also often work very similar to More rare orphan diseases so targeted commercialization is a is making a little easier. You know exactly what your customer is. And once you get over that difficult development hurdle the path commercialization shrink soured the value. Drivers can show the evidence either to do that. And that tech. It's different so commercial development kind of phase right after approval. Almost like I kind of think about that like what you need to do with the drug which is a phase three trial. And you know it's been coming added phase of development. That's really been pecan. Most difficult phase to get a promising product who kind of proof point of value and that is really you know the thing that got us thinking about how to look at partnerships And when you stop and think about at least for some products and some market the idea of a smaller company that's really good innovation and product development aligning with an established commercial organization to tackle that Those critical late ages of product and commercial. The vulgar. Just makes obvious sense. You think about you know a product in our portfolio that has been our first major partnership called the virtues. Sorolla rooting balloon. We see virtue as a future workers product that can address very significant unmet. These are large procedure market in both coronary preventions and peripheral intervention but those procedures that Verka draft happen path labs and all through the United States and also in the world in fact so as a small company thinking about developing the product meeting together product clinical trials regulatory approvals and in fact that's her multiple sub indication and then having to think about commercializing in providing a product that would be desired by hospitals all over the World Different Very Dongting task so we thought about that product and some of the other products that we had We wanted someone portfolio. They think ahead to products. That would work in this model. It's really when you see a very big market which is difficult to access. It makes a lot of sense for a small company of figure out a way to align with A bigger companies already positioned in that commercial market. The bigger challenge is how do you? How does that happen? How does a small company or the Innovation Company that did crafts by Venture Capital Private Equity Basically create a value propositions shareholders that a long term partnership the value drivers ideally are a participation royalty or revenue share learn curb future value of product. How is that GONNA drive kind of a return to your shareholders And that's I think something that we thought a lot about once again when you can trust a biotech worlds in Med tech Path a regular path to realization liquidity for private investors and Biotech Company is in the public market. There are more than tenfold nice. It'd be twentyfold and number of IPO'S FOR BIOTECH COMPANIES S. There are forbidden until I do. Statistics I don't know quite as well the last year two thousand eighteen. It'd been only thirty two hype since two thousand eleven here in two thousand eleven to two thousand eighteen thirty two metric Ip. And I believe there was upwards of four hundred or five hundred years. I kind from Ned Tech. Investors acquisitions emanate was really. You know the main way to get exit. There weren't a lot of those in that same period of time you so if you're investors are looking for return the public markets are hard to access and in fact the public markets have been. A bit of a resurgence in that type is last few years but so driven by those companies. That have been in the crossover to revenue generation. So if you are a promising therapeutic devices or medical device products that in between thing to political proof and commercial proof and you don't generate revenue and we go back to. The question of multiples are driven by revenue is. Are you totally worthless? That didn't really make sense to us. So we've got back instead. We could think about and create a company that was designed to development designed to partnerships and participate through those partnerships long-term Revenue Street. And that we could be you. Therefore and valued as they sent our cash flow that the path liquidity in value eventually through the public market. And that would be an efficient way and then thinking the company that we're building could Career is over the long term. Not just around one technology but around the process of dissolving Bolthole. Now does that make sense to me? The the deal you mentioned with two remote included up thirty million dollars upfront payment and million dollar equity commitment. What is this allowed orchestra to do? And what are you giving up in exchange for that I saw in a broader. Just those payments Philosophically we think any product future value is an opportunity to share the risk and the burden as well as the reward so Yes there was a thirty million dollars up from payments and best been putting a lot more than that what the partnership we saw for us going back to the comments made earlier is how now working with two room. Oh can we maximize the the realizable potential of the virtues? Role misleading balloon in very large field of interventional cardiology coronary and peripheral interventions. And you know. We believe very strongly in the product for a long time differentiated product under take him over to create the context. It's the only non code. Is Jack Rooting for rude? We have spent our time focusing on. How do we encapsulating protect this proven drugs? Wellness it's the gold standard millions of patients and we know it prevents recent houses. How do we combine that? With another known balloon angioplasty but for the drug we needed to solve. How do you get long-term tissue residents and I don't think that really actually a pharmaceutical approach and we combined it with a micro port when we actually deliver half the time of inflation? A drug through their small micro corn balloon. There's no surface coating drug to be lost in transit and we've demonstrated both in pre clinical and clinical really the best delivery and then needed delivery over time of the drug to get the best result. So we think that differentiation crates advantages durable and that the long-term can give positions. What they're looking for in a number of indication where they'd prefer they can avoid using a permanent implant then And get the same type of outcomes preferred to use that to leave nothing behind so when we were on our herb your religious thinking about one of those indications and maybe just one big market the United States partnering with Ruma. We young out together thinking about the whole world. He markets the US Japan China Europe. And all of those opportunities and we're also thinking about multiple indications who referred Latinos committed alongside. Us is working to pursue coronary indications. Like other bigger indication small with the keeney peripheral indication love and the we have the breakthrough designation for Isr's below the knee and Torino's upfront payments. Going to help us. We need contracts accused of first of study. Which will start next year? The corner instant recent study but they've committed to support outside of that upfront and milestone payments. Okay future the other study and they're GONNA lead execution on incendiary successes in small vessels reviews and PK. Japan on small vessels bt k the US for example so beyond the payments. They're also taking on responsibility our product because of the way it works has two distinct supply chain. They've taken on the device supply chain which is a hundred years of expertise to remote manufacturer of Medical Devices And overseeing that we've retained the pharmaceutical component this differentiated extended fogo released Sorolla and we'll supply them so we also invited up the responsibilities at way they're gonNA take on commercialization marketing sales distribution. This is what they do. Global leader in terms of Askar access access closure key accessories and technology recap lab and then position Catholics around the world so they can think about market entry market expansion From Daewoo global basis so. They're playing to their strengths. We're focusing on our strength and so a lot of beyond just the upfront payment. So yes we got an upfront payment. That really has energized. The program we need to be responsible for. We can earn Ralston. And then we now see a path to the full potential of product. Then I guess. The most important component for us is that we have a long term interest in the revenue that you know we expect to generate with this product both through a royalty interest in through the supply of drugs so we have significant incentive to work with them and collaborate with him to see them be as successful as possible with this product. I think that's the key to partnership is having The right alignment of interest and the right combination Resources strengthen position and having a vision to take advantage of those who shared strength over a long period of time if we are right and in verse you becomes is in coordinate product birth. We expect a candy then Our shareholders along with traditional shareholders who benefiting in an increasing way year-over-year not just through a transaction emanate. Deal is as essentially one company handing. It's opportunity future awards. It's future risks to another. And and that's the end of the transaction a partnership is about trying to Develop those rewards over the long term and everyone sharing it. We're excited about that. And and I think as we sweep progress more of how powerful this partnership and how powerful partnership your Pencil Product is virtues and clear your also developing a bio electric device for high blood pressure other indications. This is your backbeat device How does it work exciting We call the therapy back cardiac neuro modulation therapy and been turned in that name. Is it's really two components so by the medicine is a really exciting area. And I think we're GONNA see Increasing application of electrical stimulation of the body cryotherapy the therapeutic effects but most establish Via latronic medicine is cardiac rhythm management devices implantable devices like pacemakers implantable. Maybe later is cardiac risk. Concretization are these are devices that have been planning for patients in some cases for decades Large established commercial markets dominated by companies like medtronic inhabit from Boston. Scientific where you implant a device than with Currently wired leads into the heart We're now seeing emergencies. Leave US devices these devices deal with minimum disorders as well as in the case of CRT treating problems like heart failure and so our our cardiac Nora modulations therapy backing works on. That type of platform stimulates the same pathways but in a different way to achieve Really a long term effect. It's only able by neuro modulation this case we're tackling the biggest medical problems in the world Broadly we're not going tackle all of it. We targeting very civic patients with hypertension or high blood pressure affects over one point. Two billion people worldwide. And it's a number one contributing risk factor or Mortality Drive art attracts strokes progression to heart. Failure progression to kidney significant morbid workout bortles than and her condition to treat is in some ways the lifestyle disorder disease aging And currently we really use medication. Hypertension our approach the Lord. Blood pressure really take advantage of that that existing device. We're focused on pacemakers. Now have a pacemaker. In the heart of what we're able to do is essentially control the timing of the beat of the heart and lower pressure on a beat the B faces only by affecting The timing and we affect reduced chicken filling with coca-cola about controlling pressure at the pump. That's not sufficient to become a therapy. Really what we've done is used that ability control bread pressure. Blood pressure's key input to our Overall economic nervous system our nervous system our bodies perfectly Washington monitoring our blood pressure and blood pressure. Goes up or down the body reacts since we can control blood pressure or what we've learned develop Ip and now a lot of therapy to how we can use that input and all of the dodgers natural systems that are monitoring to essentially lower pressure and train the body Using that at Algorithm to accept lower pressure over the long term and actually Adjusted to now a new normal lower blood pressure so we I implanted patients with therapy. You know first patient with depended about six years ago. I had two year. Follow very significant reductions in ambulatory. An office cuff pressures that we showed over two years. Great Safety Profile and we've actually politicians now anecdotally out too long six years in September. We presented late-breaking results for the big conference. Tc where we showed in now. A Double Blind randomized study that we could Demonstrate a significant just leaving Improvement in what's really the gold standard for measuring systolic blood pressure. Twenty four hour ambulatory pressure. So this is not just one reading. The patient is wearing a blood pressure monitor. For a whole day you're taking readings throughout dicing that whole crusher profile. We lowered that that's the SALIC number. That's the first number really the number that that that drives Those of key events that we worry about we lowered it by eleven millimetres Mercury You think about that. That's really a whole risk class. Usually you would eat at least two medications to achieve that type of result. The differential for the control group was eight nine news. America statistically small trial so this is Think about this if it were a drug to trial fifty patients who are really encouraged to see that strong signal of efficacy. Our safety results were promising. And we're working out towards criminal trial BEC- once again. We want to do that with a strategic partner. Well is that the plan to to do what you've done with Tacoma and find a unanalogous partner to advance commercialized product. We think it's a logical step perfect liked to do once again Her therapy can be thought of as a integrative. Software really would be firmware into a dual chamber. Pacemaker so our shrank has been developing that intellectual properties. Therapy and getting this this The evidence that I described earlier mentioned briefly but there are a number of companies that are market leaders in terms of hardware and the device technology and are actively in the market treating patients that with pacemakers in fact the patients. We treated all already needed a pacemaker. Interesting had market in a really great place to apply to a high risk operation Over seventy percent of pacemaker indicated patients about one point one million pacemakers and Clinton every year. These about seventy percent of those patients already have hypertension. It tend to be older that clearly have come avidity leuze hypertension or need for pacemaker. Most other comer and high risk patients. And so. What's been attractive about? This is an initial population. They need the emperor. Our motto device functions both has a back the CNT device as well as deliver standard pacing. So we take our therapy very easily partnered with a market leader integrate our therapy onto one of their existing of crude premium market leading device. And we see that as a potentially once again Superior approach to. What's the most important end goal? Which is how do we with the most efficient and reliable Manner get this according therapy that could be life altering rights saving for many patients to those patients partnership makes a lot of sense for back. The goal is to find the right partner with aligned interests where we both can win something. We we think is doable and would be preferred path. There's other ways to do it. But once again we formed orchestra biomed around. You know these really to flagship therapies because we thought All of the attributes. The the you know the value propositions of the construct the therapy the patient in the physicians. We're GONNA work. Where so the call point on? The market dynamics really lent themselves to our business strategy of strategic partnering going back to our earlier conversation and the medical device. Well we think the right products in the right markets strategic partnerships can be a better way to do it a better way to balance the risk of award. What worked for everything you know. These core element about backbeat in virtue as they as they are high value. High impact. Crowded where there's enough value where we can share in an attractive way where the opportunity we think is going to serve various factor to our partners so these are two great examples and yes we were. We would working tourism than we feel partnership with the a great path for Bhakti David Hutments CEO Orchestra biomed. David thanks so much for your time today. Thank you very much for For sculpture enjoyed it. Thanks for listening. The buyer report is a production of the Levin Media Group to automatically. Download this podcast. Each week subscribe to our RSS feed or through itunes or other podcasts manager. Join our mailing list. Go to Levin Media Group DOT COM. We'd love to hear from you if you want to drop us a line or interested in sponsoring this podcast. Send email to Danny at Levin Media Group dotcom Special Facts Joel who composed our teams and Jonathan Levin collective which performs

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100% Ska Podcast S04E17  The Upbeat Goes On and On and On

100% Ska Podcast

1:11:11 hr | 2 d ago

100% Ska Podcast S04E17 The Upbeat Goes On and On and On

"This is one hundred percent scott almost all vinyl all scott pseudo radio show with your host. Dj rise midnight spinning the finest songs from across the genre. Sorolla up the rug. Get ready to dance. Your feet people can get along within this beginning to become who do look in my eyes. Do good on sky myself. See past my face. You see me running wide. You know competition yet. I always come in second days when you look in. My eyes is wouldn't being myself smooth. Both adia is stupid. You tell me things that i've already said. All of your own ideas on the window looking by is put being my son. Good evening and welcome to one. Hundred percents go. I'm your host. Dj arrived midnight as always broadcasting from our secret location deep in the heart of jersey city. A little bit of roman hand. Little sugarman in hand. Think this is going to be a fine fine program and it is a very very fine program. Just starting off the show Already because you just heard music that probably no one has heard in a good thirty eight years. i think. Let's do the math on that. Thirty six years i think sounds about right anyway You heard opening up the show there Special guests from santa cruz california That was from nineteen eighty five and nineteen eighty five demo That was originally recorded by the band but was never final finally like Mastered and edited and put out in any format but fortunately for us The lead singer of the band Mike faulkner has taken it upon himself to dig out these old demos Done mastering on them. And he's giving us music out to us finally It's really cool to hear this What kind of quoting is like This lost piece of scott history especially like the southern california. I'm in california. seen Showing the progress of the bands. I right about eighty four. Eighty five Out in that area. You've got a touch bulls. You've got fishbone And you've got Among others Alabama special guest. Who was really just starting to hit the scene. Santa cruz being a really great scene back. Then kind of wish i was. Well i mean i would have been six at the time seven maybe time so you know i missed it Which is unfortunate. But now we have this music So if you really liked that song In the description of the podcast there will be a link to the special guest band camp page You can get that track and some of the others that he's putting out there Room around town. Has it That if there's enough interest There's more demos to be mastered and put out there so fingers crossed. We will see that in the very near future so Big thanks to mike for actually creating that the arable mix for that show for the song For the one hundred percent. Scott podcast It's out there on youtube. It's out there on spotify and you can do right here on the podcast. But we've got more music for you so we're going to move right along And to start off the first full set of the show We've got some great japanese scholars. Just come into The library here At the one hundred percent scott each queue and for these tracks guys into big shoutout to Toxic toast records out in long beach. California andy george Who runs the The store Super cool guys. Super cool store If you are in america and some some japanese imports definitely check him out Check out his discounts page or like comes website. Because you're not gonna find some of this stuff anywhere else Domestically so super cool check it out but it doesn't some music now So to start off this full set here We're going to listen to a lavish. I hope that's how it's pronounced and i'm actually Kind of getting familiar with this band. right now. I'm not really familiar with them for. But i found the records really like the sound Dug into them a little bit and essentially what they're kind of considered as they teach japanese equivalent a fishbone We're going to be listened to much more scott oriented track of theirs but they've got some wild stuff like much more like funky is something like more like punky stuff like really laid back mellow w things. I'm really really eclectic Sound here Suburbs can only give you a little taste of them With this i track here. The song is one to scott right here on one hundred percents a by calling tall wind up i multiple bye. Bye died guy. Well oil daba Wii asked mark hoped pay second settlement. A back you took out is was own turn Nothing time. I and welcome back. This is one hundred percents scar and you just heard the rockets with rocket scott Before that we had sports with the down beat goes on prior to that we had ribohn 's with work like machine and starting us all off their the peach one to sky and now move your a japanese scott set again. Thanks again to toxic toast records for allowing me to well. I mean i paid for them. But i that that allowed to get these records into my collection because it is damn hard and damn expensive to get japanese scott into your collection. If you're importing it so there you have it. I really love japanese scott. They just their whole the whole approach to it is is just fantastic from what what heard like in that set. It's just like this nice. Blend of dialing into the authentic sky the roots of sky some of the two tone the ninety s you know reinterpretation of and just make it our own so super awesome well from japan. We're going to go over to the uk to start off this next song here. This is the amphetamines with a good one. Go off of the last. I think the very last single They released back in two thousand nine so here it is Infamy means right here. On one hundred percents show thank you became. Talk is two be known nine lied. Everything died when tom get away like it. Dance to the rhythm doc thing. I building the bill. Dan my and then to the rhythm and then through the dance to the rhythm of you not concerned could be you Wanted the been only thing bird a One hundred percent sky. And you just heard the dirty horror. Ray of the transylvanian with charlton heston in donya. Before that we had the mood. Head project featuring danny radic on vocals that was on the dance floor. Par to that spicy with a disco and starting us all off their The amphetamines with good one and go and from that. We're going to come on right back to the good old. Us for this next song here are coming from the angel city records. This is the singer. Lee named stall with fukushima. Right here on one hundred. Percents off. I did mm-hmm won't a a three romance. Got off from birth. Do roll insane window sunni in the back nine some convicting me in combat be. Maybe i am and dykes auto you meeting. I am the came in combat. Now new you jordan combat being i m mccague to back yards. Welcome back this is one hundred percent scott. And you just heard the braces with julie julie before that we had boss riot with What we have their happiness or sorrow prior to that Detroit rhythm crew and friends With trafalgar and starting us off air stall with a fukushima. So next up. I'm going to just drop in some good old fashioned toasters. Sometimes you just got to level set reset you know. Just get back into the most classic legendary institutions of the us scott scene and of course that is the toasters So i'm gonna play here a two tone just with the message that you no matter what And how the scott scene evolves however the music sound You know evolves remember your roots and you can never go wrong with that. This is the toasters with two-tone army right here on one hundred percents up system stinks day. Interesting sets sixty six august. The past took wrong report eight. Dan report past game thirty Am band The network who only think game aspirin and you Real author boy. You welcome back. This is one hundred percents You just heard the preschoolers with boy. Next door Before that we had a red sole community with warranty and humber prior to that we had a sixty five a mine streets that was walking on panga and starting all off. They're the twisters with two-tone army And with that it Basically brings us to the end of the program as always if you are a long time listener. thank you as always For tuning it really does mean the world to me If you are a new orleans you can check out all the old archive episodes on Dj ryan midnight dot com. Chris you can find The podcast episodes prior and future. If you subscribe Pretty much anywhere where Podcasts can be subscribed to you You can find me there and When you can follow me on facebook of course you can follow a dj right midnight and you can also follow. It would be one hundred percent. Scott podcast directly if you just want to keep up with the most current episodes. I'm so oh next week. Let me just throw this out there. You'll find a link to the event in the podcast description but next saturday is a may twenty second I will be doing My monthly livestream take over on twitch Just spinning you like. I don't know two plus hours of good old sky. Goodness and you can watch me. Dance around It's a grand old time So look for the link in the description. and Hopefully in it'll start around nine pm eastern time On the only adam records which channel. So what do. I have to finish off the show here. Well it's is it good. I don't know it's memorable absolutely So prior to two years. I would say yes. I think it's two years two years before real. Big fish did their version of take on me from a ha and pretty much just became a complete owner of the cover of that song from here on out Two years prior to that A little band up in connecticut squawking crab the did their own rendition of its And probably was. I would have to say if i really have to take into the earlier bands of the early nineties but i really feel like this is probably one of the earliest Scott conditions of an eighty song. I'm sure there's more of them out there but this is definitely. It's got to be one of the earlier ones so kudos to them for taking the initiative to basically a start that Whatever that that. That's that trend. There's the looking for that trend so kudos to them for that It's not a good song. It's not a good rendition But it is you have to hear this to believe it so without further ado This is scott with take on me right here on one hundred percents ca. Thanks as always are tuning in and we'll catch you next time. Take it easy real. Pretty off de coming for ya. Awesome draw. haven't been another took off.

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Jillass: The All Female Jackass - #614

Rooster Teeth Podcast

1:25:32 hr | 8 months ago

Jillass: The All Female Jackass - #614

"Hey, ruin welcome to the podcast this week brought to you by Gusts Gus. On Gavin. I'm Andrew, you go. I'm Barbara. Sponsor Gus Hey. Thank you for conjuring episode. So generous. Pay For sponsoring this video. Nothing. Oh man little backdoor deal little back door right? Back, door shenanigans who gets. The. Commission. It's a good question and if there's Zero Dollar Sale Zero Dollar Commission. That's the way we were right the no haggle guarantee what you. What you see is what you pay here at Sorolla. Sorolla. Fortunate I. Think wait a minute like if you were going to name a company after yourself like there's the companies that have. People's names like. What am I like GUS CO or Sorolla? Deal with. Sound. So weird like until. Like you say it over and over and it becomes like embedded in your head it just sounds weird saying something like that. Gus. Co. is a place. You'd have a bishop to for sure. CA-. Yeah. It's very exclusive. Anything in bulk everything is just a singular item. Gusto has great hotdogs guy. Thirty percents? Yes. No, but they have a cafeteria. And it's got like a little concession stand and hotdogs still thirty five cents still like dirt cheap they're not foot long ten inches we have to cut corners. Shrink a little bit just to keep keep the costs down. Under. The point is extra big though, but it's still really big. He's got to eat a lot of brands to get sued along. That's that like that how Delta airlines saved a billion dollars a year by cutting one cherry tomato out of the Salads or whatever that like you know lateral thinking move was that's how you save money by taking an inch off the foot long hot two inches long hotdog. Speaking of Delta Airlines I didn't read the whole star Ritz something weird about Delta Airlines. Ripe right literally right. Before we came on to the PODCAST I headed up on my browser here. So I didn't read the whole story, but it's something like. They were going to take six point, five billion dollars to try. The airlines are hurting right now with less travel going on but they were gonNA take six point five billion dollars out of their frequent flyer program and use it to keep the airline operating for now it's like are you just moving money from one pocket to another to know how to? Keep the airline afloat. What? What's the money spent on in the frequent? Flyer program. Resulting cut damn. Delta Airlines. I told entirely know what the logistics of that are, but it sounds like just attracted drop between bank accounts. Will use frequent flyer program toback six point five, billion dollars in debt. I had this amount of my checking account listened my. But. It's like van Mo-. It's like, do you want it in three days that's free but if you want now, that'll be seventeen. They're gonNA take action fees convenience. Six point five billion dollar loans and use. Collect used their frequent flyer program as collateral. I guess I. Don't understand how the actual money. Specifically in the frequent flyer program well, it's tied up right. It's like there's potential free flights and things that people can redeem. So it's it's potential a hit to their bottom line. So I guess you're right. It's like it's a negative they're using a negative. To borrow more. It's a bonus to them, right? It's like a liability for them. It's stuff that they eventually pay out like we have all this money will have to pay eventually we'll use that secure alone without be like me trying to like save my mortgage by. Giving them my student debt. Of US exactly. Obviously. Our CFO's or working the finance department and probably shouldn't be no idea how it works. Well, here's the thing that actually leads me to believe that it's actually not complicated. Everyone is just a fraud. That's what it makes. Me Believe it doesn't make me believe that we don't know understand business. It makes me think that nobody does and that it's all just witchcraft. General Right. Till, you make it Kinda. Like nobody knows what we're doing. That's like how Enron and pyramid schemes and made off and all that stuff happens. Right? It's like you just like we don't know. Whether the people sometimes who are committing fraud don't know that they're committing. Every but no one wants to sound stupid or accusatory. So no one asks. Episode of the office where they combine the branches and Stanley keeps asking the New People. The ones like one of the new people have been to jail for like financial fraud or something and Stanley keeps asking the new guy what do you went to prison for and then there's like that one on one interview standards. I keep asking him because what you went to prison for sounds like what I do every day at my own. Such a good line. Oh my God. But also true. So. fucking raccoons they're back. You've got an issue I've got raccoons again. Remember we had that RTA forever ago about raccoons on backyard. Eating my grease trap. They're back and they're hanging out with the kids call it these days. My wet ask grease trap. It's W. F.. Just hanging out I had to go out and yell at them look at them those Fat Fox. I mean what they're doing who they look at. The bring rain. But they're not. A. There forever. They weren't moving. I was flashing my lights at them I was like. That's so cute. Because of the resolution, it looks like a painting like it looks. Like Norman, Rockwell's after dark series or something. I. Love Them. Out of all the pictures to. Story Book I feel like they should be lookin' aeration courtesy of Costco Okay here we go. It was a Saturday evening and the raccoons have nowhere to go. Lethargic from lack of food and heat one of them sat up and exclaimed, we should go eat gus, his grease trap. Then then they decided. was. Down there. Records. I think I think there are amazing I think he should do you think if you put up a failure. Do you think it would. Deter, the real living records. Now I mean, look at them they were hanging out together. I, mean, they know each other that? I would. I would think that it would deter cats but there's cats everywhere around here now. I think it's an issue in. A tweet recently that said that Animals, the UNCANNY valley doesn't work animals. What does it? Get creeped out by something that kind of looks like them. Which means that there's something in. My life broke. There's something own evolution that is like hard coded in our DNA to be suspicious of stuff that looks kind of like us but it doesn't exist in the animal kingdom and that all aid no scary Dixie read edit tweet. This is not back Bay at side to I've read apart from this what three but I thought it was an interesting thought that animals will just hang out next fake versions themselves as if they're real. It said shame that raccoons are shed because they're so cute and. adorable. They make fun pets but. I didn't want I didn't want them around. So I didn't want them to be out there like when I take my dogs out or. To. Dig Up my yard because which they are fucking doing nonstop as well. The last hole. Talk About Your Yard Zero Scape. But then. As I. Say striking he did it because if not. No. I'm just I'm just over those fucking raccoons and the cats and although stupid animals. Going around my house. So you need a stuffed raccoon out there like a pack of cigarettes and Leather Jacket I'm like a motorcycle real bad boy raccoon and then they'll be scared off. I guess that makes sense when. Some they sell. Like. What are they like almost like? Fake deal that you can put out to make other deerfield more at ease you see those Seem. Like. They're putting people or like fake people in restaurants to make other people feel better like we talked about before. But we have uncanny like we're we're freaked out by the UNCANNY valley so it doesn't quite work for us. We just think it's weird. Yeah Or comforting depending on who you talk to I. think that's comforting. It's just weird. That all Dominicans and all the fucking stupid ass cardboard cutouts at Baseball Games. Yeah. I wonder if that actually makes a difference for the players because that's that's four centrally right it's for the players to feel like there's an audience there and to play to crowd. But I think they might also be further television viewer to make it not look. So dystopia N- to. Own just like this is better. Can you apply to get yourself in the crowds of games? Can you send yourself? Yeah. You can do that for the NBA for sure. Yeah. Yeah we'll put screens up and so you basically can broadcast your like Webcam onto the screens they have in the stands so and I think it creates like a it's an animated Gif like. So you can like record like six seconds or something or whatever, and then it just kind of like repeat that on the screens center in the stands. So success seconds. They should call him vine. I don't know I don't know how long the. Loop is. Privately probably, not she probably not long enough to get away with. Anything to like to be like cutting up probably couldn't do. Do, a bit. Make, me dissection bit by by. Vines we used to script out vines and make a whole series of 'em. Before I'm sure you could come up with something clever for it. You could probably a bit. Of a pain in the Dick whole to make him to shoot in order. Line happened like editing tools on it whatsoever. I feel like we did all those when vine was not easy to use, and then the students we stopped it got super simple to do that kind of not really difficult to use again. Yeah. They made it much harder. Finan-. I remember I. Remember when I went to an arts high school in San, Antonio. For for film and Remember editing on to VCR's like that's where I started my my video editing. Career I guess you could say is just having a jog shuttle in two VCR's and doing like the play play pause play pods record. and. Then we finally then we finally got like non linear non linear editors and I remember it was such a boneheaded waste of money because we bought these dedicated. By the way, editing computers existed like you could get premier. But we bought these dedicated. They were called Avocados these like Sony obvio-, dedicated like non linear editing machines that cost like five grand apiece and the only edited when you could get like a computer for half that that had premiere on it I don't know why. I do not know because because. School district's love wasting money and not spending it on the right thing. Sick no notes get us a couple of computers. Arab I did I took like some media costs at school and? For some of our coursework work we had to make. A film at the end. And the only we had like computers all around the room. There was probably like twenty computers in the room, but there will. Computers without any edits yourself for the only editing computer was. It was like it was an Imac wherever mackey was whereas a dome and then a monitor stuck out. Remember when. I'm accurate. Was it was one of the Ex and it had final cut on it and no one in the entire school knew how to use it and it sat there my entire school career and I didn't ever see anyone touch it because none of the teachers. Had any access to like teaching materials on that stuff. One of the school janitors used it late at night. Got His degree through that. Yeah. Another like colossal scale waste of buddy. Cheap at the time. A. Funny Andrew you talk about editing on onto VCR's was in high school I would do the same thing I hated doing school projects. So I would always ask instead of writing a paper I turned into video on that because I had a vhs camcorder and editing with that CR. So would films with my friends all the time and then use like the camcorder and the VCR plugged in together to dislike edit. Together really stupid things. It would take like an hour or two instead of having to write a paper. But because not because this is like a ninety five and ninety, ninety, four, hundred, ninety, six when I did it like but since nobody knew how to do that back then everyone thought it took way more time and it was really difficult like it's going to bang this out in an hour you'll be done. No Yeah, you're you're a magician. You're a scientist in medieval times like all you did was like mixed to chemicals together and it like like created a puff of smoke and everyone was like. Oh, my Gosh Jeez Louise. We had a special effect once where we had. Disappeared the shot it was just my friend was holding it then I positive recording. He didn't move another friend came and took it out of his hands kept recording. So it just looks like. Out of his hand afterward, everyone including the teachers like how did you do that? That was amazing. Older brother used to do that all the time with our home camcorder we used to take it and phil home videos all the time and we'd be like, okay, got the shot setup. All right. Stop Recording. All right now move out of frame now start recording again and every single video without fail would be me behind the camera going. Stephen where did you go? Seizing. Gust you remember that that you showed that video of a train headed right toward the class everyone ran out of the class. Sort of feels like feels like it was actually really difficult to edit that way like I. I'd like a high video camera with the VCR, but then in between I had this. Thing it was like you would sit in front of your TV and add sliders and you could pluck music into it and me and my friends would shoot some stuff and we'd be like four minutes into our tape. We've got forty minutes of content which probably took a several hours to do, and then I would have him like trying to up the music as I press on the on the camcorder as we put on tape but he would like play their own track it'd be like. Eighty we try skip backwards, but it would just restart the wrong track and then it'd be like double tap. Because we be so far into the tape. rewind like overwrite the previous pilots eight. We would just leave it. So that'd be like. Editing errors through. Let's. Got Somewhere. Some point. Yeah, I wish I could find my old high school for just like the one I'm talking about I know they've got exists somewhere. I have no idea where I need to go back home and all the Mile Shit and find it. So many videos with my friends like from the. Early two thousands kind of era where we just make these really dumb videos I I would pay good money to be able to find it and watch that stuff because you don't have them anymore. I haven't been able to find them every time I go home I try to look for it and I. It's just like it's disappeared from the light of day I have no idea where could have gone but they were filmed on like those little mini cassette tapes. Yeah Yeah Oh I have, i. have a garbage bag full not a garbage bag but. Huge huge bag of many DVD's because it's the same thing. In high school at that like arts high school. And my friend Matt made tons a little video. We made like three four, hundred, four feature length movies in high school One of which was like three hours we were so dumb we didn't know what the hell just making the and those are like are like you know bigger forays, but then we have like. Smaller just really really silly A. Shorter. Sketches I guess you could call them and the lower my God, the Lord Lord just like, and then we just brands was not to put them or show them. Redo. Than ever we're going to go anywhere me and my friend Brittany used to make. Videos all the time you guys might remember Brittany. She blonder on the website when I was blondie. She created her account after me and we essentially wanted to do videos and blonde productions. So dumb. But. The genius idea to do a series of videos called. Jill. s instead of Jackass. 'cause we wanted to do like the female jackass. Like such idiots around our city like doing stupid things and wearing stupid costumes and it's like who the fuck would ever want to see this or. Want to see it nine. Rate. For us you just didn't know. and. We'll. Now I'm glad I don't know where they are. This. PODCAST is brought to you by indies. We saw one leaf fall on the ground today. I can mean only one thing fall is finally coming. It's time to get your booties ready for the spookiest time of the year with the softest undies decrease your bottom I'm sorry about the Pun. indies he's knows exactly how to celebrate the season with the coolest prints and colors and the softest undies known to man. 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That's me Andy's dot com slash rush teeth for fifty percent of your first order free shipping and one hundred percent satisfaction guarantee. Absolutely, I I went through digitize all of my hi eight tapes like my eight mill. Tapes. So the same format. But I still a ton of money but I don't have the camera that I shot it all on and it's like surprisingly difficult just to get like a mini DVD player. Like I'm not sure how to go about. Playing those back and capturing them. Can You? Buy Off of Ebay. I mean I was looking at some like. Decks. But they like four grand and stuff still for some reason not we're all. Going to Gavin I still have in my closet I have a cannon xl one that plays many. DVD's shapes if you WANNA borrow it to digitize some of your old mini DVD's. You'll rental fee on that. Oh Gratis. You. Take, it very digital advertising. Love that love that. GotTa get the Fire Wire Cable and then a converter because like. Cable. Well, it goes from like it goes like from many fire wire to like an eight, an eight Penn. so you've gotta get a converter for an eight ten to go to like I don't know what the USB see. Now I don't even know how you would like go. File four hundred back then on those candidates. Maybe. Man I found dance. Oh my but I found that avenue system that Andrew was talking about. It looks like a piece of junk dude. Wasn't. Piece of junk. Can you show a picture? I, put it in the discord chat. It looks. It looks like it has. Their. House. Video Video. There's the FI y point at this like many were isn't it? Yeah. They were. They were like they could do analog and digital and you had to like real time digitize everything so. Yeah the the Casa Blanca God Damn Alex me way back. Is that thing? Huge like. It's like two extra large pizza boxes stacked on top like three. Blocks, stacked on top of each other. It's huge. It cost like five grand and like. A, a user interface that was maddening like you almost longed for two VCR's after using as. They crashed all the time. God, do stuff was a pain in the US like I, always think of James Cameron when he was trying to cut down aliens to make sure he didn't really want to cut any scenes after he'd already made his final selection. So apparently, he just went through each. Each cut you'll each shot and like just trim late two or three frames off but to have to do that manually on film. Cologne. My fricking head off. To that sounds all. Domingo. Yeah I mean if you guy to do it. No I that's absolutely torture. Is Crazy. Do you think it's no coincidence that all four of us used to like we all make content for a living and we used to do is kids basically I. think that's just how that's just the natural flow of isn't it I just find until? I actually applied to film program going into college and I got denied entry. To now I'm working in film. Yeah Yeah I wanted to get A. Major ut but I didn't didn't get in. So I. Got An English degree. Instead Yan got a marketing degree instead it was at. The university I went to specializes in business and in film, but the film program they only accept like sixty students semester something crazy like that and part of the application process was that you had to make a like a short film or something to submit to show your skill your creativity. I didn't have any friends that wanted to participate in anything I didn't have anybody. So I just filmed people around my high school. unbeknownst to them and like edited it together to some co music and then submitted. Artsy. Cinema. VERITE. God those are mid-july. Sheila. You had something. That fucking master pancake tweet about. Any film being. A Wes Anderson Film, if you add Paul Simon to it. I mean that. That whole bit was fucking amazing dude. I don't think I've talked to you about that since I saw that God. Yeah. That opening goonies going to break out of jail it's too good. It's it's absolutely a Wes. Anderson film just putting Paul. Simon, and it's it's crazy. I was just thinking about flashing back to that that that Casa Blanca. obvio- and that like if those still exist anywhere right now there's still can you imagine how yellow that gray plastic is right now? I found I found this on Ebay I can buy you one if you want I could buy you that one. Right now. How much it won't power on its forecasts. Darcy be a super interesting. pod Mode or something or like core show if you just have to make a video using tech from at least thirty years ago that's twenty idea. Edit non linearity and all that stuff really two, hundred, fifty, five dollars. Too much it's a bad. It's not like four grand. A depreciation. Depreciation that's a steep fall off receive interesting looking at devices from. A few decades ago and watching like which parts of the always fail like you're saying the plastic phys been like our in light it's going to be a gammy yellow I pretty much any. Any machine has like a rubber belt inside it that that probably is dissolved. Disintegrated at this point. replaced the belts on old stuff even in like new old stock it's all. Very very unlikely to turn on I. Think I found your working one. Andrew. Found you a working one for five hundred dollars. Why don't we all chip in and we can all take turns using? Person five hundred dollars knows that like. Technology exists. In my mind like take this out of my closet take this out of my guest room I wanna put a treadmill in there, which I will also be giving away two years from now when I don't use that. Those just become close hanging devices at some. Cardio machines. Always being so amazed like when when you make the leap from. Digitizing stuff and Editing with files I remember being. So blown away at the time, you could capture your footage like faster than real time. Oh. Yeah. You didn't have to just like press play on it and record it somewhere you could. Drag a drop. It's like, wow, that was like a few seconds to copy a few minutes. So that was the biggest step up in my brain of like how easy things have gone. Yeah these days they don't appreciate it. They don't appreciate the actually. Going, over to a friend's house and in real time. Logging footage just like playing like playing Mario Kart while footage dumped into a computer in real time because they do it just like. Oh No. The camera on the batteries in the Diet God. In Yeah. Good Times and then, but it was a miracle that was the thing is like. You you always have that like that window of like a new new technologies like maybe started on VCR's, and that was like you know a pain in the ass but we didn't know any better and then you get like non linear editing and it was a miracle but it was also a different kind of pain in the ass and then you there's always that like advent of new technology where it's like this is a revolution but also introduces its on other host of like Piccadilly and problems, and then you eventually find like a couple of years after that like technical technology kind of finds its groove. Like non linear digital computer editing that makes a lot more sense and you know as. Tau We still do. So I still remember when gus had to teach us how to use a pager for that connected duck we did years ago. Where Lost all technology for a week and had to go back to like nineteen eighties technology. Both men like what do you do it this? Like how do I communicate with this thing gus. I never once interacted with a pager or anyone who had one. I'd. Like you're on a podcast with a former pager repairman so if you ever get a Leading. This is the guy for you right here. Just, they just a phone without the phone pause. It had like a phone number that could receive a message, but then that was it right Yeah Right right I mean the beeper you couldn't. It was just like basically a cell phone without the speaker or the. What do you call it? The Mike and Talk and had to settle load that a little weight like a little haptic Spun Buzz Buzz Yeah, it is a it's the same revolutionary technology that's available at your local chilies when your tables ready was the exact same. Deep. My Dad definitely had my dad definitely had pagers. Back how much? How much cocaine to deal. You know. Mountains, but then you know I mean. A bunch of guys with. Machine. Guns infiltrated that tacky Gaudy mansion in Miami. Or maybe there was a movie I might be confused glanced at the chat scoop five says we still use pages at my job love to what job that is and whether it's just like a hipster thing or whether you actually need. Or is it like it's dangerous to use a phone something because they don't want explosions maybe someone will set that. They're still communist hospitals who is this Matt Mo? Par Forty says they're still coming to hospitals. Okay That would have been like an internal system at this point and not like a cellular pager. Truck. Shrugging. Eat Crab great name by the way he grabs says it's twitter without reply. What you mean I don't know either. So just a weird step. It's like they already had. Mobile. Telephone technology, and then just made half a phone. Like, why not just make the whole phone bandwidth issue it was cheaper and the service plan for the pager with us because back then service plants cellphones were super expensive. So it's like the pager was a stopgap. You'd like a cheaper way to stay in contact. There's a small market well. A very. A small window in time where it was viable because then you know cell phones became much cheaper, they're still. Not Cheap, but it's much cheaper than they used to be it used to be used to pay by the minute I think the first cellphone phone, my family had. It was it was a weird deal where it was like the first four minutes of a call were free. But then after that, every minute was five hundred. Dollars Yeah. So if I ever wanted to use the family cell phone which was bolted into the car by the way. You had to carphone to you got to be done the first four minutes. Otherwise he would start charging you. Yeah. There was like a little stop watches like. For My dial up was paid by the minute or whatever. So. Weird. Try and talk to all my friends on MSN than get off as quickly as possible as long distance still like a big thing with phone calls. Because I feel like that's not i. never hear plans talk about like long distance calling the cost of that and adding onto a plan I feel like that's not even. Going through a switchboard has to be manually patched to a different. System. Now a same system known at this time and whatnot you could go through Wi fi and all that stuff. I. Don't know I feel like should not an aspect of calling anymore. Yeah it's weird. I mean do you I don't ever call internationally but do you have to pay for icy? We still have to pay extra for international calls right. Yeah, it's still a shit load. If you don't have an international plan is still a ball ache. Time I'll have to dial into an English conference cool and it's so fricking expensive. I can't believe. That I mean we have like all this other like based technology now, just meet on Google meter discord. Or? Whatever. The fuck. We just use either Zimmer facetime. At this point to talk to each I don't think I call my parents on the phone. 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Do Things. I'm starting to feel slightly overwhelmed by all of the tech. I, feel like. There's a ton of new cooped stuff happening and all the consoles. and. I feel like it's never been. There's never been a clash. This big between consoles in PC gaming I feel like. The point where it's like. What does feel like the? So there's so many good options on both sides. There's now a huge draw. To go into PC gaming with the new, the new video cards which seemed obscene compared to the loss of generation of course of course, I just got fucking twenty eighty like last month. Talking thirty eight now. You have no idea how fucking pissed I was. Thirty Eight, I was like God. I waited five. Finally got it and instantly within a fucking it's out of. Old Now. You gotta you gotta replace it with a thank. God, what does that like fifteen hundred bucks for the thirty ninety? Well how much the twentieth. It was part of the whole computer I don't know who. Over a grand, isn't it even worse? Joe Spend. You could sell it now. Sure, you could get a good price. On Ebay just sit without. L. Sell it. I'll make you a deal throat an avio system. Waiting for that callback. Maybe I'm also slightly confused by the new xbox lineup, the series x s because I read today. tweet that. The xbox series s the white one. CONT. Play enhanced. Games. On, the xbox one x correct. I think it doesn't do the four K. it can only do. HD thing that paternity. So it's a console that less powerful than the current. Gen. The xbox one x but I think the it's less powerful than the one expert. It's more powerful than the one. I don't know. Why you would get that over a one x then. Say. Series. X comes, out. There might be like new series games for that aren't playable on the old xbox. But. It seems to me like that right now just seems like they're just trying to make games accessible everywhere. No matter what you have. Yeah. I just feel like if you're if you're on a budget and you want four K. Gaming. I soon will be cheaper to get a one x than series S. For Short I that's what I would do. Both of The series. S is two hundred bucks right and the one X is four. Okay. So it's actually it is I guess my. If the the next doesn't drop that much in price. Is the strangely lapping lineup at the moment I. Guess this is the Arctic thing right? This is like. We're talking about the xbox right now. Okay. But the before you're talking about the RT X. Thirty eight years. Yes. Yeah. Totally not confusing name at all. I was like just get the architects twenty, twenty, five bucks for every. Video Andrew. Who I can't believe what I'm seeing this video. What are you doing you lunatic let let's let's. Let's show the people here. What Andrew does on his weekends only God dude. Oh my God. Lying It was sideways. It was flipped sideways. But yeah, that was from like six years ago it was like from Twenty fifteen or twenty, fifteen, five years ago. Yeah in my old place, I had a A very bold raccoon. that. Slowly but surely comfortable enough to come up take grapes for my hand but which apparently don't recommend doing because you I mean it was very sweet and very nice but apparently relations. Transmit are the number one transmitter rabies to human beings in in the United States. So be careful they are cute and it was very sweet just taking it very very gingerly from my hand. Thank you. Unless you're at our TEAC, there was a story of people who were here for our tax finding a bat in the street. And potentially how they could have gotten rates and we're like Oh. Man I really hope this wasn't someone who was attending are. Luckily, you know what? You're not worrying about from architects at home a bat. Unless you're in your home. Your home. Bat. Free. No bats in. Your House. It's a gust problem. That's a promise. Okay the Chaz let me know that series s has ray tracing and the xbox one X is discontinued. Yes. I guess the price is like excellent price for a new console. If if it's better in some ways, it's worse than otherwise I'm curious to see Sony's having their press conference on Wednesday. So like two days from today the I think the hopefully, it'll finally announce a release date in pricing what they're doing for the five. So we'll. We'll see I'm I'm I'm so far I'm really interested in everything that I've seen with the XBOX and I think Microsoft has a lot going on with making gaming accessible some curious to see how Sony. Sony answers but Tony just has killer first party titles. Accessible in what way let mainly affordability affordability I think having project x cloud work which. Debuts tomorrow by the way on Android Devices, I think cloud is really interesting I. Think some of the pricing structures at Microsoft has four, the series x, and for the way that that works really interesting where you can pay on monthly installments and get you know game pass a console and xbox live all bundled in one monthly payment. Yeah that's bad. They're just you know for people maybe who? is a buying a Guinea. PC's very expensive buying a console. She's not as expensive, but it's still a lot of money. You know if you can try to reduce that barrier to entry, you just end up with a lot more people playing games. You probably could have bought two x book series exes for the price of your obsolete graphics. Are you rubbing salt in my wounds gaps? The two thousand eighteen is still a very graphics card. But. I bought it to play cyberpunk twenty, seventy seven, and now when I'm playing cyberpunk I'm going to go it could look better. You know a thirty nine thousand would really help you out with flight simulators simulators. That's the other than. One I could maybe finally put all ultra Mak settings on flight simulator. I'm excited to see a ton of videos of people getting thirty, nine hundred and having to like cut holes in their case. Let people who refused to get you case just want to shove it in there I wanna see more of that. A break it's huge. They have a sizing guide I was looking at the video website the other day. Like. System requirements and the system requirements includes physical specifications for how big of a space you need in your computer and your case as it is. Crazy. It's big. How many gigabytes is? That flight simulator game. How much? How much do have to download one hundred and one hundred and twenty gigs Holy. Yeah. Cheesy got. Entire Disk space of my. It's a fucking it's fucking massive and. It's also constantly streaming data from the Internet as well. So. Yeah, you need a lot of space for it almost needed like its own machine for it might get. Here. A whole separate. I just happened to be podcasting right now. Okay. We're. GonNa play something with Chris or someone who had to have that gave installed and like they were going to install it right before the recording and then realized it was one hundred, twenty something. Yeah, we're supposed to something with Chris and he showed up to the recording with I think the trial version or the Demo version install No. No. I can still play it that he tried to launch it and no way to. Building something else. I don't know what the status that video is. I'll talk about anyway. So it's Chris. Didn't have the game we were like. Well, let's film something a flight simulator anyway. So then everyone else involved, we just had everyone. Suggests places that they wanted to visit since we're all stuck at home and you know able to travel. So we just went and did like seeing around the world like places that we live. And try to find spots since it has like although the being map data and I think it ended up pretty good I don't know I haven't seen any. Of It, I don't know how I don't know what the end product looked like. It was fun to fly around him and look at things that we can't see. Yeah I miss that I. Miss Those days. 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I, love the youtube exists for stuff like that because I in becky today, it would have been a lot of effort to get like a TV series commissioned but now you could just live vicariously through other people who have. Like Shit like blowing a salary on a flight to the point where it's like now, I feel like I don't have to do that. I? Mean it's nice as it would be to fly in a small apartment. It's not it's not. You don't need to do that but to see what it's like I feel like that's the interesting part. The Emirates one that. Barbara. There's a living room a bathroom with its own shower and a separate bedroom. I'm not sure if. I'm not sure which video specifically you watched Barbara but I've seen a couple of them like that and it's like it's absolutely ridiculous where the person in the video I've seen we'll be asleep in the bed and looked a flight attendant will come in and offer them food while they're in the fucking badly. End I know it's probably better than some peoples living spaces are probably much better than a lot of people's living spaces I think of those like closet apartments people have inhabited. Ever, I was wasting if I was asleep and I did I've I've never bought First Class, I've I've I sometimes get the upgraded five Enough Miles. That's the only time I've done it or sometimes if a company. Like offers it to you to fly into a job like they being used as bail out money. Once. I once got put in business class to Austria and Tired on the way back. I fell asleep there. The seats fully recline into like a bed shape and I fell asleep before the plane took off just upright and I woke up with like an hour left on the flight and I'd like wasted all of the comfort. I was slumped over. Upright. That is easily the biggest first world problem and I've like I've been lucky enough to have been upgraded before because we do fly a lot and you do get upgrades through frequent flyer programs and whatnot. I've flown business class once on an international flight and I was like I I can't sleep on this because I'm going to waste. I. Don't WanNa waste a second of this because it's an experience that will never do anything about. It makes it better and more exciting when you grow up with that stuff and you get a little taste of it through whatever. So you're just like. I woke up with canal from the plane. Immediately reclined. We will be landing in forty five minutes. Part of. You know you're in luxury when they bring you. An actual like. And real like metal silverware to eat where you're just like, Oh, my God what Ohio. Yeah. They give you plastic silverware because they don't want stabbing people but I guess it's just like a weight thing. Because they have it to business class proper like S- tabbies but have a sharp tip or those knives sharp at all not but you could bichon enough they'll go in they can they? I. Say. Do So been please. The I've flown graded class. It was like I think business. steph definitely wasn't. I can't remember like. Economy plus but it was like somewhat nicer and flew probably probably business but I flew flew to London. For For a couple of years ago. And it was one of those things where it's like I mean it was essentially double the ticket price but I was like you know what I'm doing this for me. This is like trip I've never receipt never been overseas unlike thirty three and never been overseas I'm spending his spend the money and just like do it do it right and man it is it's going to be so hard to go back. Whenever we can fly. Safely, it's going to be so hard on me because. That's not a bad price. If it was only double, sometimes, business class is like six to ten times more expensive than premium economy. The thing you WanNa do the little trick you could do depending on like I don't know if it has anything to do with status or whatnot. But when you're actually checking in the day of your flight and you ask if they have upgrades to business or whatever sometimes, it'll be a lot cheaper just to do it that way because I think when I tried to do that it was only going to be like I'm saying only because it's the grand scheme of things but I think it was like four or five hundred dollars to upgrade which. A ticket business class ticket is usually couple grand at latest so That in the scheme of it was very cheap but to do it, online would be you know a few thousand extra. So yeah, I'm a little heck. Yeah. That's gotta be I mean if you're already flying like you know. Economy plus or something like that. If you're at the gate and like do you have any business class and like I mean it's Like four hundred dollars, they weren't going to get anyway. So they like well upgrade you for the same. Seats they. WanNa feel. Let's see if they want to get you know bring money. That will vanish. Flying soon, just for like a carbon footprint. So of perspective, do you think they'll go back to just one class for the entire flight? Because they make all their money on the premium cabins. fucking. I just saw I just saw recently on A. It wasn't twitter, but recently, they some flights are converting their main cabin basically into one giant first class like. They're kind of getting rid of. Economy and like the flights look seats are way spread out. Fully. recline and stuff like that. 'cause they're just like, what are we gonNa do we got to incentivize people to? Fly until expend money on on flights. So they're they're kind of going the opposite where they're making fights actually more. Some flights more luxurious I want just to a fly a plane full of beds, same S. Not Three high. Super cramped super cozy but just so you can lie down I. Think if they had just lie flat plains. Probably publicity played. Want that like guy feel like I. Love it I like the option of sitting though because lying down, it's I. Don't know if you guys have ever tried reading a book while lying fully horizontal it's a little difficult and your arms get tired. I would like the ability to sit up on a plane and the ability to lie down but I think if I had to choose between the two I'd probably still choose sitting would if it had like. VELCRO above you and you could like Volcker your kindle up there. Yeah. Oh that's a game changer. Yeah like Gavin like you were saying a screen or something and something like attached to. So he could go hands-free on it. Yeah. That's a little different but. Oh, I'm. Getting tired by arms getting tired you mean me getting tired yeah. I'm reading a book completely down. This guy's asleep in five minutes. There's no question about it. That's the. Getting old when me holding a book up in my bed, my arms. Got Tired. Like. Interesting Age in the chat be one from London. City. JFK is an a three, eighteen, thirty, two business class seats and nothing else art. officiant. That's crazy. But. So Fun from London say apple that's the one that's right on the Thames. By the accelerator I flew from it once before we did before, we did the first. Artistic London we were touring different venues in in London. We're GONNA, hold the event, and we've the Excel Centre was the last venue we looked at and we're finishing up the tour. You could see Linden city. Airport from the Excel Centre and I remember I was one of the balconies and we're walking around with the people from the Excel Centre and I saw the airport now pointed at it and I ask. Is that an airport right over there they said yeah. Let's Limit City Airport. And I said, and you can fly to other countries from there. They said yeah, it's a full full fledged airport, just smaller than the other ones like Okay. So then I went and I looked at my phone and I I found a flight to Ireland for like seventy five bucks as oh. Okay. I'M GONNA GO TO DUBLIN Over to the court and it's like. You could just go from right there. It was like it was faster to get to Dublin bit to get in a taxi go back to the hotel I was staying. Yeah Like? Like London Luton is also quite A big airport for like short haul flights but it's no London. Come undiluted. I watched a I watched a lot of videos and I watched an interesting one that like chronicle, the history of all the different airports in London and why there are so many and. It was it was interesting. Because are a ton of fucking airports in the London area and Luton is one of the ones that they talk about. They talk about how they all start and why there's so many they're. Interesting is. I watch way too many videos about place your. Story is as follows still think England, sucks. No I did not care for London after the first time I went I think a lot of that was because the first time I went the exchange rate was over two to one I. think it was like. It was like everything was just so fucking expensive. Yeah. It was like a fucking nightmare. Hilarious because I I met you two thousand and four in London and. You must have paid like eighteen quid which would probably close to forty dollars for like a dog ship meal in this crappy that we were at and it was raining and you're tired and you're like this country sucks I just found that so funny. This hit it don't ever go in streets terrible like that. So everything was like you see the price like Oh that's not bad. Always that's I have to after pay more than double that in US dollars and it just looked like some. Dried drives me on a plate with some salad. One, one of the best things I've ever tasted in my life was in London. One of the best meals I've ever had what was. This dish, Ume, it's an Indian restaurant. Jessica Asami was talked about that place. We. Went with her and like Daniel and like a couple of like like. THEIR HAUNTS PRODUCTION FOLKS Yeah by the way getting. was in London She was there on that production and you said that she had a weird headline line I just want to remind you that you said. said it was cool. Yes we went out to dinner. There's like Indian place in. Big Group and they have a a a chop little lamb chop that or a pork chops lamb chops lamb chops. That is the one of the best things I have ever tasted I. Think about it till the frequently I cannot wait to get back there just order and then the they marinated for you know days or something like that but it is unbelievably good I cannot wait till. I can travel again and taste that little shop. It's. Unbelievable Lillian Food in England is actually excellent. It's so. And I don't know what happened in in translation between the UK and the US Indian food hair is just It's not all. We didn't call an is that subcontinent for you know several hundred years so that it's true. We don't. We don't have that same connection you. Milton cheese. Come to the right play sir. You definitely have that in the bag over here fried. CHEESY NEAT right here America come on down. In plenty you want fry meet we've got fried cheesy meet at artistes at home I saw either the greatest or worse thing ever in my life on Tiktok the other day where these people put. Tin Foil down on their kitchen table. Poured. Tortilla chips everywhere, and then essentially made a table size worth of Nacho. So they put like a bunch of, Caso. They put Cilantro and salsa like everything that would be on Nachos essentially just like covered their entire dining table. And it was like Oh have a party and bring all these people over and everyone will just eat nachos off the table like fucking animal's delicious. No hands. Allow just face down into the NACHO table. Yep I was like there's nothing how American this. Just, a table full and Nachos for everyone to grab as they enter the room. Okay. How do you feel about this? Because I I'm of the school when I like order NACHOS. I want a annette setting heaping plate of like chips and cheese and meat and beans, and like I want it to be like this like. This. Dome. visit as a whole just doesn't work. It's full of notches. We thought you can cover all this Gu delicious stuff but then too. It's Almost. Like what kind of one you get? What do get? Absolutely caked one that might be a bit soggy. You get one the small crispy but has pixel on it. Layers you got do. So you put some chips down and then do some cover and then more chips down. Okay. I've never had that. That sounds perfect. Exactly. That's because most places most places don't do it right? They don't layers because it takes time and this is a volume in business here. But yeah, doing layers and the hey, doing it really high heat really fast crispy and keeps from getting soggy most people don't do it that way but then That's my. That's my I like Nacho method but then I hate I hate when you go to a place and it's like they're charging big heaping plate Nacho prices for individual Nacho like where it's like a play of like eight chips that are like daintily dressed as not just like it's got everything, it's like. What you gotTa do you gotta find ways got gotta find a place that has nachos available as an appetizer for the table and get that for yourself. That's what you do because that'll be a heap an amount because. People. Talk about it started selling Nachos with like. Like a Vegan substitute on them, but it's still has all the cheese in all the other non vegan stuff I. Don't understand why they would sell nachos like that that they should be legend -Tarian, maybe not Vegan just. Maybe, that's the concession, but it's just weird to me that they would take out one. Ingredient but not the rest of them are you still weakened by the way. Mostly. I have cheap meals on the weekend, but during the week plan based. During the short answer is no. Man. Yeah. I'm a weekday Vegan. A. I had I had the TACO Cabana beyond me like beef taught. Did you? Yeah it's it's really good like for a link when you want that like. Because it's It's very distinct like kind of fast food crumbly beef Kinda cafeteria style Toco that only those kind of tacos tastes like but occasionally that's all you want in the world it knocks it out of the park with that flavor. So if you want like It crispy beef. TACO that tastes like beef and doesn't have any beef in it I'd say it's a pretty it's pretty close Paxton. I run make guilty confession to you Andrew. I've wanted that flavor sometimes you talking about like that greasy almost cafeteria style Beef Taco yeah. You can buy like to make your own Taco Bell at home kits where it's like the Taco show gives you the salsa and it gives you the spices. You just supply like cheese lettuce and beef yourself as all by those album like impossible. Beef or possible burger stuff. Yeah. H and was make tacos. Yeah it's like I'm making Taco bell at home, but it's like sometimes it's just what you want. You just want that cheap. Taco tip flavor and yeah. Yeah, it's Absolutely slaps no, it's. It's incredible. Sometimes that's all that will do like it's it's not it's not good per se. It just goes hard and that's exactly what you want. Nothing is the hardest trash like fast food to replicate a home like. Is it extremely difficult to make a big Mac from just ingredients. Now now, hundred, all we've actually done before. How great you can you can get the same stuff but I did it tastes like a big Mac or was it like? It did I actually also think Eric Produer if you're listening I think did we do that at your place? DidN'T BARBARA MAKE A Big Mac one time or we had like some burger that she recreated that tasted just like the fast food burger no I don't know if that was me. You don't think that was you I'm pretty sure that was. Barbara unless I just made some Oh, I make some hamburgers one time, and then I guess you're just saying they were very good. As, possible. Using it with someone else now I think I wasn't trying to recreate anything I think it just made some hamburgers that were very good. So okay, let's. Excited for this to be over some where people come over to eat hamburgers can I? Can Hamburgers kind of bring somewhere koons you can bring some raccoons. You can bring some raccoons and they can eat hamburgers also. Noise wow. They can't wait to eat raccoons my grease trap. Actually pretty easy to recreate because it's just like you need the the sauce to be right but then it's just essentially pickles lettuce and cheese. IOS pretty easy I feel like anything. Like anything fried to a very specific degree as a little bit harder to do because like you need. Like a deep Fryer Air Fryer and the Air Fryer can't quite do with like deep fryer to do just in terms of like really imbuing something with the lake really crispy flavor like I made a couple of like chick-fil-a sandwich facsimiles at my place. Using an Air Fryer and it's Conway hitter missed like delicious but it definitely doesn't like. Doesn't hit that specific flavor I may take up Andrew this air fryer because I just bought an Air Fryer to try out some cooking via that and if you have. Bad Times is a good F-. It's great. I love it. I've made one meal with it though. So it's not a whole lot to based off of I made salmon in vegetables in it and it turned out. Delicious. So would recommend so far salmon salmon definitely really good in there. I would say you do not in they're pretty pretty well too because it's a hot air and that circulation like Chris and chips keeps from getting soggy with crispin chips. Any things? A little things a little you can do penis is just the worst thing that can happen to any food. Cereal. Like Oh bread a tuna sandwich knock it just goes disgraceful WANNA get some. House Sochi there. It because that's the way you're supposed to eat it is it's what it's not hard cracked pasta. It's cooked technically soggy I was making a stupid joke talking. What about six should be soggy? We big need to be they need to start absorbing but then you want to really use that big spoon a Scott from down because if it gets too Silky, they just disintegrate into like Milky Porridge crap. Is this is. Like grape nuts like where it's. What? People like Gregory Grapes also cereal that's like I like grape nuts assumed that wind dry. Could be used as like. A Musket ammunition and then. When soaked in milk for for a time turns into overnight oats like it just like there's a window, you have to eat great nuts in. The big. Shredded. Wheat. This big. Yeah We mix a similar in size. It's not like shredded. We. It's more of a mix. Yeah. Okay. The. Big Fat. You could to in a bowl three feeling pretty hungry. What happens if you put them in the Air Fryer though then what? Maybe, you can soggy. Bakes and Adra in an effort to. Bring it back to life. I'm excited that we did a podcast without talking about spoons that would have been a whole month of spoons and I'm glad we avoided it now. It's funny about that actually Gavin. I. I'm brought these just in case the conversation came up, but I brought an actual teaspoon table measurement. Just to show how fucking insane you guys are for wanting to eat out of this amount of. Out of a measuring teaspoon, but this is a teaspoon. This is where. That is. You know I'm looking I'm looking at those two things good God I'm looking at those two measuring spins and I cook a lot and I make stuff with you know that require precise measurements but if like. Honestly, I don't think I've ever made anything that like had thrown in one of those and not the other would have ruined the entire thing. Not. How much fucking difference are those? From each other that like it's GonNa, kill whatever your net let vanilla extract. King Okay maybe point conceited you're absolutely right. Never mind I step away from this. I see the five year your bed as that's all I've got I can't think of any other food with. These. ABC's Vice Oil. Yeah. That's true. I would say anything that's got like I take extract just because it's such a unbelievably powerful. Yes. Like flavor concentrate. So look down. Out of context you sitting there holding all those boots you look at. Birth Crane Spoon ever saying that my big spoon was like fucking massive and I think because it's it's really shallow like it's wide but shallow but this is essentially the same. The. Him I know we're not talking about necessarily, but we get graphics. US interest one time just once just once. I think. Would you use? Salt so much. So much. It's good. It has a very like. Kind of nine days like down an-and. All like, yeah. It's got field unplugged electric guitar. We came back. Speaking of kitchen stuff my kettle broke the other day I have an electric kettle to boil water and boil the water I left it on the counter. Then I went back to get more and when I picked it up like water started pouring out of the bottom of it. Shit Jack like what the hell run over to the sink and and dump it in the sink. So I had to have had something I think for eight years it finally went out damn. So so I started trying to shop for a new one. I was like, okay. I'm going to start reading reviews and I found one review from this person on Amazon and find hero fast this person. I reading Amazon reviews is. So. It's a window into the insanity of people right? It's like everyone looks human but then you read a review on Amazon like this person only physically appears human. So. You know the Reviews Working Amazon right? It's like you rate things on a scale of one to five stars. So I'm Gonna I'm just GonNa read the first like three sentences of this review. The title is he's water quickly it's a four star review by the way. I really like this kettle I wish I could give this four point eight stars but we're only allowed whole numbers. I would have given it five stars except for one small detail. I wish the kettle temperature would start lower than one seventy as I like my hot cocoa around one fifty. But. It does have a digital display. So I can catch lower temperatures by standing, watch it. was like Jesus Christ. What's up with this more points in person tangent then back why not give it the five stars? Where did you give it four stars? And then. I mean I can understand wanting more precise temperature control but in that case, just get a cattle with different temperatures. which exist. Just. So baffled, this person must be really fun to hang out with at a party. seriously. I always hate when people review things about products that have nothing to do with like the product's functionality or quality or anything like that. Well, arrived broken. Or like. Or Yeah or like Oh it had something I guess I could understand the justification people like Oh rives and it like ripped or something like that. But it's also like well, that was just your case. You should probably take it up with the actual vendor itself rather than rate an actual product that exists poorly because of a shipping malfunction or whatever it was. You know. Going under I was GONNA. Say in Amazon reviews and I would say also the like questions and answers about products is just the absolute. It is an island of misfit toys. It is where like Humanities. Just, most depraved psychos go to interact with each other. Because they'll be stuff like we'll be questions for products like. Like does this come in silver and then summer will have answered it I don't know I didn't buy it. What the fuck is going on. Remember that would happen. Go. This is the first of all. It does it come and silver you can look just screw. Loose. You had to pass that information to get to the question. Asked me. Maybe, people think that if you see a question is rude to answer it. You just have to read if you don't know the answer like you're being Austin real life. Directed. At them. Reminds me of like a lot of the times in the past when we would be going somewhere hosting some event in some city and we posted on the roof she site or on twitter, and we'd get people responding being like. I don't live there. I can't come because I don't live there. It's like. Okay I'm sorry I. Don't really understand the response that people are looking to receive for that. Of just like, oh You could travel for ends like I don't know what people are expecting. It's always interesting to me for that kind of. On a somewhat related note too that Barbara I remember years ago I used to answer all of the email that we would get received all the email from. From people from viewers and from you know people who are in the community and we had just I. Think we had just gone to Arctic snow. It just got into rb Te'o and like. A week or two after came back I got an email from someone that was like, Hey, are you ever GonNa do an event in Toronto and I wrote back like Hey we were actually just there it was fan expo. It was fantastic but we'd gone back. We're actually. We're at Fan Expo. Was it like what we will probably be there again, next year. Sorry. You missed us and that person wrote back like yeah. But that's really far from me. I live in the suburbs I wanted to do something closer to me. I mean. I went to another country already. Win Ninety nine point nine percent of the way there you could meet I mean we're not going do something in your neighborhood. You can meet me in the last point one percent. I will never forget one of my favorite emails we've ever gotten. This is back in the day when Gus Unite us to co-director artifacts together, and so we would also get all the questions that people email in and I think this was. Twenty twelve or two thousand thirteen. We got an email from someone saying, Hey, I'm coming from Florida does the ticket price for artifacts include airfare and hotel And I didn't know how to respond to that in a way where I wasn't being mean about it to say, maybe you're sixty dollar ticket does not include the cost of a flight and hotel for a weekend like I didn't know how to say that without coming across as a complete bitch I mean the only way that could ever be possible as if every single attendee lift in the same place. Shuttle out there. What luckily, you don't have to worry about airfare and hotel this year are. Already have your own home or wherever you're staying. To sleep in, you don't have to pay someone else. Kicking off tomorrow with I I it's GonNa Be September fifteenth to twenty fifth and We have a free trial. Tamar first night is available for everyone Some panels are for I members only if you'd like a trial code again was RTC trial it. Are Trial, you can get a a trial I membership. If. You want to check it out limited time offer and doesn't have to be a new account. It could be an existing rt account could even have had I at one point if you just want to get it again just for temporary trial just for our check it out. Anyway are texts coming up at home said, we're fifteen to twenty fifth. Kicked off the first night tomorrow evening what's going to be I'm sure you guys will hear this a many times throughout the event but hot damn. We have some fucking cool ass merged dropping throughout the next few weeks for artiach. Some stuff is archie exclusive stuff will be available until it sold out but you definitely want to keep an eye on what's going on in the store. We also just dropped a link to a very cool thing for coop. COOP OR COOP DOT research dot com I think the link there Oh my God. There's some cool fucking shit happening in the next. I. Got bummed out today because some of our social media accounts and people at the company between about the cool stuff like being teased and I think it Shubin hunter posted a Gif of me being like. We always. Did you do? I don't know like I'm looking at myself. Be like. Oh. I. Don't know what? It's like I'm making fun of myself. Also I going back why is it that you were in charge of all the email when you are the most anti-social person who has Come. Because when I was a when that started not that division of Labor started when I was in. Puerto, Rico? So I couldn't help with. Filming. So I tried to help with all the other non filming stuff So that's why I used to handle all of our email for years because of that. Under remember. All of my at the apartment and Buta had all of my favorite emails on the wall printed out mixed. Wall of emails just off my right. I feel like. There was like a like a different level of dumb back. Then I don't know if. It was like you've got people being confused at just about things general also like people were new at the Internet as a whole. So they were like turbo. Turbo extra dumb. Yeah Good. Time Yeah, there's no Ma there's there's some hot stuff dropping unexcited hot. We've mentioned I night, which is tomorrow. That's where a lot of the Annapolis will be so. You definitely want to check it out. It's like the first thing. Big Kickoff. Check it out. September fifteenth at five. PM Central Time. and. Chat a couple of times people asking about the stuff we're wearing the hat, this shirt gusts shirt they're all going to be drop for. This is a corduroy hat with a leather in the back. Very nice. Very comfortable and there's also some stuff. Oh, coyly behind me, oops who put that there were. Bought me what does Bush drop? Why is it GONNA drop? because. It's falling from the Heavens Kevin. That's an excellent reply. Very fast yeah I was locked and loaded. Actually. 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Episode 102: Slumberjack

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Episode 102: Slumberjack

"This is back that. New what's up back to backers? This is Willie joy, welcome to the show. This is back to back. This is my podcast. You're listening to it. I hope you're having a grey week so far, and I hope this is going to make your week a little better. I'm back off the road back home recording this in my studio in the few minutes of the day where my cat slash studio. Assistant is not running in yelling at me. It feels good to be home. I've got the whole studio up and running now and once I'm done recording. This it is back to the grind. But this is important. This is a cool episode IV. Gots lumberjack on the show straight out of Perth, Australia. I love these guys. They just finished up a giant live show tour in Australia. And they just announced that they're coming back to North America for a DJ tour next month, and they just released a full length documentary about the making. Of their last EP the Sarah aqui p and this great timing because we talked a lot about how this EP got made. They went they lived in the jungle they recorded with native tribes, and there's so much more. You'll hear all about it. But I'm gonna put a link in the description of this episode where you can go get all the tour dates the documentary, all the music. There's no one doing it quite likes lumberjack right now. So go check that out before we get into that conversation. I do wanna let you know. I'm going to throw some of their new tunes into the back to bangers Spotify playlist if you're not up on that already. That's a playlist that I update every single week with music for my guests music for myself and just music that we talk about in these conversations anything, I think might fit the context, it's just a fun little companion piece if you're on Spotify. You can go check that out. I'm also going to put the link to that in the description, and if you're enjoying. 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My Email address is backed back pod g mail dot com. Or? You can hit me up at Willie joy or at back toback pod on all social media. But for right now, let's get into this with slumber Jak. So on the day that we met up they were actually moving out of their apartment in Los Angeles and flying Australia that evening to start their live tour that they just finished up. So it was chaotic it was a lot of fun. And I'm really happy we managed to connect for this one. I had only met them, you know, very briefly a couple times before we always had a good time. They always struck me as great guys. I've always liked the music. I think they have kind of a unique perspective on what they're doing. I think they're doing it a little differently from a lot of their contemporaries. And I think once you hear this conversation, you'll sort of get where they're coming from the new Sarah walkie p is really amazing. It's named after one of their hometowns out in Malaysia and to make this EP. They actually went and stayed there for a long period of time. In a very remote rural setting. They were out living in the jungle for part of it. There's some crazy stories that we got into. I think they almost died trying to get to a certain spot. And as I mentioned, they just released that whole documentary about the making of it. We talk about making the dock we talk about making the EP, and we talk about, you know, their whole career leading up to this point. If you're in North America, don't forget to go. Check them out on tour when they're coming through your city. But for right now, this is a good one. So let's get to it. This is me and slumber Jack back to back less go. You guys have a distinction. There's only been one other person on the show who I've talked to the same day. They are flying stralia. And that person is dip little and he's the last year. Yeah. It was no two years ago now two years ago because the shows almost two years old when we met him to. Oh, he did the very first episode. Didn't he? Yeah. He was he wasn't the if you see behind the curtain. I didn't record him first. But he was the first one I put out I had to record some other people to make sure I could do it before you do before you record there. Yeah. Exactly had. And he just that guy. Just won a Grammy last night. Yes. You see that we city, but I definitely heard about. I wasn't watching electric city. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Electric city with Mark McGrath grants, and that's amazing. Yeah. I don't know. How do you feel about giving out awards for for music, especially for what we? We do which is kind of like an underground thing. Like, it's weird to me. Not that he doesn't deserve him. It's weird to me to see dip low winner Grammy. Just because I associate him with underground. Yeah. Exactly. The type of music definitely becoming more popular in the mainstream, which I guess what? The Grammy's is associated with. But I heard someone say something really nice, which is. You can't really pick a winner for the just getting nominated. I think is enough. The six nominations per something category. Yes. It's all the nominees win Israeli because no one comes down to personal taste choice at the end. So as a winners, and the actual winner is great and congratulations. But I think that just as much credit go to everyone who's nominated its subject subjective to the board to right, right? Exactly. That's always what I wonder is. You know, the the people who are actually picking. I mean, it's a I think you can become a member of the Recording Academy vote. But it's not a process. I know all that. Well, I mean virtual got nominated and that to me. Incredible. Because literally his stuff is most like it's narrow in terms of niche. I, you know, he only made it for a handful of people a handful of enthusiasts and the defect that got a nomination that to me. It's incredible man. And he he's a great example. And maybe we can tie this back into what you guys do is of somebody who's kind of you know, he came out as Puerto Robinson had a lot of success. He had a clear vision for what he was doing. And then once he got that success, and he had a lot more, you know, clout allow more is on whatever you want to say he turned around and did this project that definitely no one was telling him should be his next move. Yeah. And I really respected that for because once he was on that platform, then everyone takes his next move much more seriously. And I don't know I always felt that way about what you guys do too. I always I see a certain vision a certain aesthetic that you stick to all the. Releases seem really cohesive and like like, there's a greater plan. Like, I think it's rare to find club music that also is extremely thoughtful. And that's that's what I tend to think of when I think of you guys. Thank you is that intentional. I guess I'm curious about you know, when you sit down to write a song. Do you have a concept in your head? Is it still the music? I and the concept comes later we have this thing that exists mines, which is this lumberjack sound. I was gonna say, yeah. And and basically every song we release has to sound slum Jackie. And if if we ride an idea, and it's to pop or it's too Evan. God. We'll just we'll say to doesn't click. We need Admiral Jack. And we know what that is. I couldn't describe it to pinpoint eighty grit language. You know, we know what it is when when it arrives. And when the track sound slum Jackie then we know it's it's good. And we can put it out. It's not even a language between the both of us it. It's more like we. We just know when to agree that that it works. That's interesting which is really weird because individually when Fletcher makes an ideal when I make an idea individually, it wouldn't sound very slumber jacket. But then when both of us come together. Yeah. It's it's a synergy that cannot be achieved anywhere else any any how else and so it sounds like you're often of a similar mindset. Like if one person says, it's not slumber Jack enough. Do you agree the other person, generally? It's something that's yeah. It's definitely I think sometimes because as we would ride our own ideas, you get so driven by ego. But then you leave it for a couple of time periods. It's exactly what you need to hear like something Fletcher would say exactly what I needed to your by didn't wanna hear a day just finished it. But then it if you ask me deep down like Sherwood, you put it out right now. We'll not no, yeah. Yeah. That's so valuable, man. I mean, I've always been jealous of as a solo artist. I've always been. Jealous of having that sounding board. And that other person there to kind of wasn't always that way for you guys. Like when you started making electric music where you working on your own for awhile. I or did you come together pretty quickly? I was making electric music for quite a while. Well, not just t fifty. Yeah. Just as just as a bedroom hubby. You know, I started on Ferdie loops and then switch to well. I started on Sony acid. We'll just talking about Sony Vegas. A bunch of legends started on Sony. It was amazing. So even Roscoe was doing Sony acid. Oh, no video way. He's sitting in front of the CIT monitor right in like his old Betty make yard. Okay. Quick sidebar by Sony acid because that's interesting that Roscoe which I had forgotten used it all the originators like Mundi, the move the Matome kind of like originator was on acid. God there's another one too just on the record was on Sony acid Sony acid. I should he using music on. Maybe he was too. Yeah. I don't think that would go as well. Yeah. Mansoni acid was jam. I never actually used it much. But I know so many people who did and so much like really forward thinking music came out of it. I wonder if there's something to that that you know, if you use a quote unquote, primitive tool like that does that somehow unlock some other part of creativity. Because you're you're somewhat limited in what you absolutely I heard. I don't know if this is true that the first Justice album was made on garage bad. Oh, that's where I don't know. I I'm very here for that idea. I don't know if that's true. I mean, it's something I hope that the French guys would do for sure. Well, there's I mean even with garage band. There's been like there's that one offer song love in this club than the I think it was polo the dawn who produced that it's all stock garage band loops on modified garage band Laos like there's that famous grudge Ben loop. That's used in Riyan as umbrella. I think that's more logic, though, always allergic. No, you're right. It is logic. But yeah, these. In big Dan, something about symphony, and whatever that is. And then and then the fort minor one one is garage band. Oh, you're bringing me back. Forgot one is dot one is garage band streets. Like, the fact that you can just take a simple loop that already exists and make something great. Yeah. Man. I actually like that. I don't know. I think there's probably some people who would call that corny. But that's see. Angelo took Ness Nassau's amazing when I first vengeance loop. Right. That was I think it was also into construction pack. You get the pre site change version. Right. It's discovery. I don't think it's really about creation most of its sometimes. Absolutely. Well, I think the argument is that. Well, oh, anybody could have done that. You didn't exactly. Not destroy of my life walking around a modern art gallery. Gallery. You and my dad, man. The blue canvas. Yeah. Ten thousand dollars. Okay. So you said you started making music really young at least fucking around. How did you even come to that at that age? Like, why was that a fun thing for you at age fourteen like where you musical kid. Possibly. I I remember when I was really young my mum used to take me to this place in in Perth Australia called Sitek, which is like a science museum. They had a lot of exhibits around, but pot of the Sitek building that was a music studio in the side, and on certain days, it would be open, and they had this really basic self wake with Dora mix, and you could just drop in loops and make songs, and then they would print it to a cassette tape for you. And I just thought that was. Yeah. I just thought that was the coolest thing that I could take home like a cassette with a song that I'd made and put it on my home system, and I was instantly kinda just drawn to that idea of we have a copy of that. Need to find it. That's the next single. I think I have a digital version of all you need to. It was mostly had like. Libraries of loops, and I would just grab all the cannon ones. So it was like the patch. Bill cannon melodies, and they oldest work together. Really nicely. So I think that's kind of where it started. And then I Sony acid. I was also really into filmmaking. So I had the Sony Vegas studio and slowly over time. I just switched more to doing music than to video. Yeah. So it sounds like you were just a creative kid general if that's just likes doing that kind of. Yeah. Totally where did that come from like, what did your parents do drama teacher? Okay. That's a good start. Yeah. I mean, dad was an engineer, and I also studied engineering, so I'm very like math science as well. But I I've. That math and science and music go together quite well as well. So I mean, I think all of us can agree sometimes after twelve hours in the studio. I mean, it's it's a lot like doing math when you're using down a record know. You know? So yeah, I think you know, mom was always we always had like a huge dress box in the house, and she was running all the drama workshops on school camps. And always getting us to weed creative activities build things may stuff. And did you grow up in Perth? I spent the first five years in Vietnam. Oh, wow. Yeah. My parents had business over there. And. Memories from that very few. I mean resort a five is just apparently I used to speak Vietnamese fluently as well as well as a five year old doing really. Yeah. Unfortunately, I I lost everything. But I think that also probably helps with music because it's a very tonal language, and so from young age, you know, being trained to recognize those sort of tonal qualities probably help as well. Yeah. Yeah. And then then I was in Perth, basically from their own woods. Gotcha. And do you guys still maintain a place in Perth? Are you fulltime living in LA? Now, you still well, it's very difficult. I mean. The world is not set up for people to not have a home. It's everything requires you to have that done. Yeah. And we don't really have one place that we live because we travel so much. So we do spend a lot of time in the states touring here all the time. But we also spend a lotta time back him. So it's kind of tough to say, what's like, Al main home. But I would still say a stray Ilya is like where Al home is. Yeah. But we're like pretty much work outta here. I got you. Yeah. Are you going to get a new place after this one? Like once you come back. Oh, yeah. Definitely where where where going to move somewhere else in LA, and some way we don't have to be cramped up in this place. Coffeeshops with repurpose would. I beams noise complaints here too. I would be. Yeah. Oh, that's good. Surprised? We don't actually were quite consider it. Okay. We have no adjoining walls either. And Morgan for you. When did you come to Australia because you might understand you were raised in Malaysia? Yeah. In serology. It's a state in Malaysia every time people say Malaysia, I think people gravitate towards the main city poor. But it's very it's very different from where I grew up. Yeah. I moved to stray area when I was nineteen eighteen nineteen. Yeah. Okay. So you I mean, you had your whole formative years in Sarah. Yeah. But I had to I think moving to Australia was sort of a cultural shock to me. I kinda magin two to three years to adjust to how people live, and and speak, and you know, just the little nuances and a little bit about. Childhood growing up where you did because I have no frame of reference. And you know, it's interesting. I mean, your new EP is named after your. Yeah. Yeah. So what was that experience? Like as a kid. You have any kind of specific memories, you come back to or just kind of like flavors or or scenes that you remember I did everything about Sorolla for me at a very personal level would be taste like food. It's I would still say it has the best food in the world. Really? We've traveled a lot together we've been in China and actually China is really good culinary world culinary China's amazing, but I still go back to Serology. And when I eat there, it always brings us like on home. Right. What kind of food? Are we talking about? I mean, something as simple as for breakfast. You can have Newt noodles dry noodles. And then there's a curry broth we call it locks and Southeast Asia's really popular with different lots of different regions. If there's any southeast Asian listening out there. I still think surrou- locks is the best in the whole world. You can fight me that I'll. If you my home address, what it out there, man, I actually would can co with that. Yeah. Many people would many many Anthony RIP's kneeboard Dane, seraglio lacsa is the best to him. Oh, okay. Well, that's a strong stamp. Yeah. Yeah. And what kind of what were you musical as a kid? I'm curious about what you were exposed to their versus what Fletch might have been exposed to. I don't know if I was musical when I was younger, but I distinctly remember a moment in my life where I need. I wanted I needed to do music. And I don't know if I told anybody on record of this before for Fletcher, I was sitting in the I think I was like maybe twelve I started piano thirteen twelve thousand a house party with a couple of kids like a birthday party. And this boy was just playing the piano and everybody surrounded him for one for like a good sick. And they're for me. I'm just like I wish I was that. Boy. Oh, yeah. That was it that was it. I think maybe I was just like maybe like self esteem issues so in security complex the second. I saw everybody gravitate towards him outside shit. Like, I wish I could play the piano, and it wasn't playing anything. Great as needed to do something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think probably every musician out there can relate to that field. And then it goes towards the idea that you wanna create something and people listen to it. If you're a painter, you paint, something people look at it. And then they they understand where you're coming from. Right. I don't know if it's necessarily a sense of self expression. But there might be a slight form of narcissism in there. I think it's a little of both. I mean while you were talking about I was thinking about my own childhood. And for me -absolutely. I always felt I was an awkward kid. I never felt like really all of us were. Oh, yeah. I think it's a very very entertainer background in general. And I never felt like, you know, I was fitting in or the people understood me, and then when I started doing music exactly what you just said. I always felt like okay. This is actually a representation of me feel confident in that. I want people to look at it's almost like the awkwardness and the weirdness. And you kind of went away you found your confidence in music. That's exactly that's exactly what that moment for me was sort of like the stars aligned. And when I heard that when I saw what is happening, and I begged my parents, let me learn Yano, Costco, piano, but that was not it's not normal in the Asian community. Usually Asian parents would force to kids to on top of tennis, and golf and swimming and dentistry at age thing in the community you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I I don't necessarily think my mom is a tiger mom or an iron mom. And depending on what I've heard that. Strict parents, right. But we definitely had a competitive. Nature in the community back home. And there's a lot of Chinese community that grew up in ceramics, well, but, you know, many different ethnicities, but still the idea that you got to be the best of whatever you do. And you can do ten of them at the same time. And so how did your parents react when you suddenly show this interest? Well, apparent my dad said, no because I was doing Tae Kwon and martial arts different. Martial arts at a time, obviously agent kids, but my dad's like no because two things are gonna happen. You're not going to be good at piano because knuckles swollen from breaking would. Oh, you're not gonna do seriously anymore because now you wanna do music and at the time was also playing golf and tennis Modesto. You're gonna spread yourself too thin. But then I told him he made a deal with me. I had to score a certain percentage in my exams. We have ten exams year. So ten months in school every there's an exam every month that's under and cells as long as I dropped the ball on that month, I stopped lessons, piano lessons for that month. Oh, wow. So that's his way of saying. I gotta keep up with my studies and be distracted. But this new thing called music. How did that work? Yeah. Good. I showed him. Yeah. I showed him nice. Yeah. It wasn't expensive class to you're gonna be paying for this one. And I love the story to about, you know, seeing the other kid playing at the piano, and it makes me think about your story Fletch about seeing your music on the cassette tape to you know. And I think all of us have had that moment where you realize how something like this could be achievable and those moments to me, I think are so formative in every young musicians life, and so Morgan for you, then what brought you to Austria. It was Toshio education is just to get a degree. Okay. I think it was between my dad gave me a choice between UK the United Kingdom or stray Leah and strata which is closer to home is my it was my is going to be my first big move. Right. Yeah. Eighteen years, and that's kind of scary. What it's going to be know, I've lived in different places. But. Moving to stray as almost like a permanent thing. I knew for a fact that there is going to be of small chance for me to move to Malaysia after that. So I was like, okay. If I'm going to I always planning way too far ahead of family like if I'm going to straight. I want to be make sure like the grandkids see grandparents Australia was naturally the responsible. You'll. Yeah. So moving to strata to we we actually did the same. Yeah. University. We studied same university in Perth. Okay. So industry. Nobody nobody goes into state for my culture university. Few. You have a few ten minutes from my house. And that's just the thing. I went to school five minutes from a house, and I went to university ten minutes, the best universities in the world to a couple of people from my literally just a handful of people when you know sees over Taylor's out of the country, but mostly people just study in the city because that's just what you. Yeah. Was there any I'm just curious because that's so different from the American system. Was there any feeling on your part of, you know, wanting to break out wanting to see something else wanting to get away from the hometown? Yeah. It was just I really relationship with my parents. I was living at home while I was studying as well. I love the idea. Yeah. Really do I big support? Of my friends modal tons of my friends did as well. Both of them. Did they didn't really move out to off to? I think it's so I tell you know, even young kids who are sort of trying to get into the music industry. If I ever get asked, you know, I say live at home as long as you can. Yeah. Oh, cool with it. Stay home. Yeah. Absolutely. All the advantages. I mean, not only obviously saving money, but you've got a support system you're in a comfortable place where you can grow and not have to worry about a bunch of other responsibilities that might my family, so different. And I find it difficult to move away from them. No, no day want. Everytime. I've got a I've got my own place in Sorolla. But every time I go back like even actually this time Fletcher, we stayed at mind because we brought a crew to shoot documentary. But usually if I go by myself, my parents are like you're saying with us. I was like, but I got my own still like you have changed. I don't you. Don't love his anymore. You're becoming western as on stay with you. It can be. I mean, I I was born and raised in Minneapolis Minnesota. And you know, I'll sometimes I'll go back there to play a show. You know, you get a hotel room as part of the deal when you go player show somewhere. And sometimes it just makes more sense for me to use that hotel if I'm flying in and out quickly, you know, whatever. But I yeah. I have to have this conversation. But my parents, I really like your home, right? Exactly. Like, it just does not compute. I have a flight at seven. No. But your home. Okay. All right. It's just the thing of it here. Like, everyone always asks all where you from. Whereas if y'all someone that industry, they'll be like, what do you mean? Yeah. On the street. Nobody leaves this amazing. I never even thought about that. And so what were you guys going to school for like, what did you think? At that point your life was going to look like, I did chemical engineering. You also have another one wine finance as well. Okay. So I yeah, I was ready to go. And actually the turning point was I got offered a like a summa, you know, three months some program with shell. Okay. And I turned it down because on you will be playing shows. And that was kind of the point where I was like all right music is now taking priority over he's still studied like pot time for a little bit off two years. But then just kind of trailed off I have still have a year to go. If I have one of did you enjoy school? Like did you like what you were? Demoss system. I have a bachelor degree. With the chorus. Ah master. So I loved it. I really liked that. And I would probably be perfectly happy doing that. But Mia music's opportunity that you don't I'm lucky to have this opportunity whilst I'm gonna take it. Of course. That's so interesting, though, I and I love hearing that because so often I think you here I went to school, and I hated it and it was to school with your right, right? And you know, all of that. But I like hearing that just you know, you liked what you were doing. And then all of a sudden this other opportunity came along to you, just you know, you took the other path on the road. Yeah. I mean, it was definitely nights where I was at union like eleven o'clock at night trying to finish an assignment just going the helmet doing. This is the worst thing in the world. Yeah. But you know, I mean, we still have those nights as musicians costs every night. Every night. Doing you still at the helm. I do. Absolutely. And for you mortgage. What were you studying finance? Okay. But you see the opposite with the second. I got hit by the music bug. I was really good up to high school. And when it came to college and university, I was already so distracted by the time. It came to a stray I saw the possibilities of music, you know, with with the power of radio. We don't really get that in Malaysia, you know, it's very control and musicians don't really get a voice and ustralia in. This is shot at the triple j, you know. Triple shout out independent musicians have shot like a good example, you know, flu making his beats on his laptop and boom Grammy winning and then tash sultana on the guitar loop pedal on the side of the streets. Melbourne and triple j gave us a shot and that became a huge distraction for me in university. I was good at it. I was good. I was doing because I was good at memorizing and regurgitating the seven needed to do. But I wasn't in it. You know? I did. Well, I didn't really well I got offered internships as well. That turned him down. I think a year before Fletcher did his. But yeah, just knowing coming up for Malaysia a huge. I was like. Aw, borderless. So big and possibilities are endless. Now. I'm not trapped in this tiny village. Yeah. Wasn't a tiny village. How smaller town. I think when we grew up. It was a village like when I was a lot younger. And then it started developing a lot of expats come through. And do you know approximately how many people I'm just curious what he's two hundred two hundred twenty thousand figures out the size of Bombay. Oh, boss. Two hundred thousand people was really small and still like literally in terms of nightlife. There is little reward area you go seriously. I if I'm back there every week I go to one area. So yeah, I was wondering that too. You know, in terms of what music was around you as a kid was there, any kind of electronic music at all. Okay. So I when I got my I PC offers computer person. Personal computer? I was fifteen I think sixteen after this after the piano to go to Pino before the computer. I discovered the world of sort of like a savvy ish kid coming from a place where things aren't exactly savvy for those that aren't very privileged. Yeah. You had to do your own research. Yes. I found lime wire. Yeah. Als-? I started listening to you know, electric music. And then I my I was the song traffic by Justo. Okay. And when I heard that that super sauce. I didn't know what it was. This is so epic two notes that two notes. So so Iraq, my world two notes west Chopin had to take like, you know. All the know what a loser to notes kick drum and was like this is incredible. And from then on I I don't I also don't know where learnt music production mealy, somehow in my mind, I knew I just knew that computers were able to do this and knew for a fact that like because I played the piano and a new that in an orchestra as violent as like in computers. You can then separate stuff. And I know of that for a fact, I didn't have to learn it. Yeah. Yeah. Fletcher. I got a bootleg version of you cannot get legit versions there. Right. Internet's fast enough, number one. We'll don't buy at that time. People. Don't buy softwares online. Right. You gotta buy actual CDs, though. No, no stores. I gotta go to bootleg DVD store where they do like shitty. Re re masters of the matrix. And then on the side of computer software, and it's printed Sheely and the guy who owned us or cut the the. A four paper out so the acid, and it was and I was like, no, no, no, I'm I'm better than this. I got the twelve ringgit package. So that's like three bucks three dollars. I got the Sony package the Vegas deal acid sound four just for you. Yeah. Yeah. I got that. That's where you know. I put two loops together. And I was like dude, I'm here. Still man. I love that. And let's talk a little you mentioned the culture shock when you move to stralia and open to either one of you guys. What was going on in Australia at that time when you guys were first going to university I out in Perth, you know, musically. What was happening in the scene? What was sort of your exposure there? So I was like eighteen just an owl drinking. Drinking age is eighteen and register so. We were able to you know, I think my first time in nightclub was for this DJ competition, and that's actually how we met. So I won the DJ competition in two thousand and eleven okay. Morgan one in two thousand twelve. Oh, amazing. Yeah. So that was like my first time in a nightclub. First time was when you were competing, correct? Yeah. That's amazing. Put my probably being Pablo something, but we gotta talk about this. Because if you won the competition without even knowing the context for which you were competing like head. You did prior to that. I DJ like house potty. Okay. But I'd never that was like my first time DJ in nightclub and probably I'd being to like one or two and was it like a party rocking kind of competition or snickering thing body rocking. Yeah. It was just like, honestly, probably just how many friends you bring. Yeah. I watch the bar makes shopping. A ton of. But yeah, I was playing electro house be room kind of stuff, which is pretty funny. But yes, so so I was very new to the scene. There was like a quota strong German-based seen in back. Then still is like, you know, one is sort of. Potty Jhelum from Perth break fast every year. Exactly. So there was a really kind of strong saying this is one of the things I love about earth is that because it's so is slated this such a tight knit community. And there's almost like an underdog feeling so we have to do everything double to prove ourselves. Yeah. I can imagine. So we had this thing called the dance music awards and as competition, you know, DJ win as we went and got a network with industry. Yeah. Say anymore. No. I I think the last year was the, but that's how we met at that. We need to softly local competition. You know? Yeah. Yeah. So you went back the next year after we talked to you networking chimney. Chimney, and Morgan for you had you been DJ prior to exactly like Fletch. That was my first time onstage doing electron. He hadn't even DJ pod. He didn't even know what I didn't know what it was. I saw a flyer at like, I think that quivalent of. What's like music store here? Like, I store guitar. I saw a flyer that was the fly for that competition. I saw it. And I was like all right. When not Joel join it when I made up his own version of what DJ -ing is because he didn't. Did you know what CJ worth where I I had a bootleg copy as well on of Abelson? Yeah. From my limewood days, I found some other ways to do it in a stray Leah. Of the university internet sorry university. I'm legit now, though. But yeah, I just I bought two used launchpads like a gum tree or like Craigslist Craigslist, and I just kind of plug that into able to and I was using the output Jack to for the competition. My my, laptops, three point five million, man amazing. Yeah. And all I did was I saw video of Mattie on doing what he did. I was like that's DJ. I was like that's tough though. Okay. I'll learn it. I had my I had like a month to pick up everything I had very little vocabulary with dance music too. Yeah. I just went to be poor top ten and pick the ones I really liked and then got deeper and deeper picked a few more. Yeah. And do you think that's why you one because you were doing such a cop myself now? So scared because it was three heats. Right. I was a heat three. I think and then a final. So I remember going to heat one. I'm going to competition. I was like I'm a pianist like you. I thought DJ was playing stuff. Like, I literally thought you hit the kick drum record loop, and you trigger another loop. And you play the thing that records. I literally saw it was amazement never seen a CD my life. I walked up to the second floor of the club look down in the first guy went on. Okay. That's a really interesting gear. Sweet. He brought that himself on my own game. Then he walked off with a USB and another guy walked on and play the same gear. I was like oh shit. Oh shit is like a requirement that we have to learn how to use whatever they're using those turns table Spinney things. And then I freaked out quickly got in touch with the the organizers and go, hey, I know my name's in. And I got drafted from the mix. I submitted that I made in able to because I didn't really play it live. And I was like maybe I'm a fraud. I was like shit. I don't know how to DJ and they go. No, just bring your ear. I wanna see what you're you're you're about and. Yeah. Somehow one fantastic. I love that story. And it's what we're we don't have to go to much about this competition. But I'm just so curious like, I'm sure not to talk down about your innate talent, which I'm sure it was great. But like who is the competition that you could go there without ever having done it before and beat everybody. Well, I think flip at myself have this even up till now, I think the beauty about again, not to Pat us on the back. Yeah. I really enjoy our mixes. I just always had an ear for that. Yeah. Because like we have this thing about very very pedantic about mixing in key and having the right flow. Yeah. So. We hardly again. And I think a lot of deejays can can do do this. And it's okay. 'cause we do it too. We hardly go on the fly to too often to create a show, even if his DJ -ing and make sure that it's it's perfect in the sense of flow energy from start to finish. And it's interesting to hear you talk about starting off that way. Because now you guys actually do a live show. Yes. In addition to the DJ shows, right? And it's sort of funny. That's almost like a full circle moment actually to circle's gonna start off with you wanna talk about how he's actually introduced the life before even DJ. Oh, yeah. We actually started some Jack AllFirst's lumberjack shows ever were live shows, and we built this stupidly intricate live setup with mixer to that we have to mix. It was it was her, and it was for like an opening opening slow, of course. And there was like twenty people there. No. Everyone's just at the by where they're sweating balls. Trying to make sure we hit everything nail this live set. Because it's you know, it's a big in a big club. SPD? I have to vote Kotor man at one point also DJ on tractor. But I was DJ on Abelson. So we had to shout the temple each other. And then I got a nudge it he's gonna nudges and mix. It's and then we realized that this is too much actually have fans before we. Now. Now that you do what is the live show looked like now for the people who may not have seen it yet. So we've never actually bought it to the states. Okay. So it's only being in Austria. But we each have our own kind of battle station that we got keys each I have some some drums and pads which mainly runs hardwares all avoid software Mullins dread. Yeah. Morgues has like a machine in some sense. We kinda like spread out across the stage. But the live element of the show is really cool because it gives a lot of movement and a lot of action on stage. And it means that we can kind of not have to place a high energy the whole time. We have a lot of moments where it's very there's a section where I was just morgues on the case for like two minutes, and we found that people really enjoy watching that when they're actually seeing play. It doesn't have to be drop off to draw. And we also make all the visuals for the show. So everything goes together. Visuals. So we just envision the whole thing. Like this audio visual journey. I guess we have complete control of the Halley almost exclusively play our own music to register originals edits and remixes. But yeah, we hardly maybe two to three songs that aren't ours. But we edit edit it and make it fit in the set and also make a specific visual for that for that moment. That's so cool. And I mean to me your guys music has a definite, cinematic quality. And I don't know if that's intentional. Let's with your film or film. Interesting. Definitely just love cinematics. Yeah. I love it. When you're writing music. Did you think about visuals or do you actually see anything while you're writing I always want feel it? Yeah. It's more of a feeling. We associate y personally associate like feeling and takes Joe with with the music like we say like we're just writing song where we wanted to feel like you're getting hit with wind in the face, which is a weird, you know, it sound. But when you hear a sound that sounds like you're getting hit with wind in the face. And that's a feeling everyone knows the feeling of being hit with the finish. Right. So. Yeah. That's I like that. Because that's something. Everybody can relate to if you're able to nail the idea. Everybody who hears it can kind of beyond that way of lame. But we we have scenario sue sometimes flesh. And I would we'll talk about a certain core progression that you know, isn't exactly new minor scale your major skill just a weird mode. And and we would talk about you know, how he feels like the the slow motion sequence off three hundred. Bite that Connick fight scene or or. A beautiful Greek goddess coming out from like a pool of gold water. It's just that one moment. And and you almost replayed at seen in your head. You realize you know, what kind of soundscape need to go win this visual? And are you guys flying over to Austria right now to do live shows? Yeah. So we have how Sarawak headline to industry Leah. Yeah. We were hassles and a lot of stuff to do beforehand. But yeah, because I mean and correct me if I'm wrong, but in Australia. I mean, you guys are very well known like you do probably better there than anywhere else at this point. Yeah. Definitely doing to moan hormone. You should to your own. I mean, it's the EP is fantastic. It's it's just interesting to me that idea of, you know, being really well known in one place and then over here in the states. You're absolutely well known, but it's sort of in a different way. Right. And definitely I think that's actually it makes it quite difficult for a lot of artists to come over here. Because, you know, you'll play, you know, headline slots ten thousand people, and then come over here and one hundred people in the club and really give it crafts. I mean, how about what it was like when we started. Is that a tough that dichotomy to sort of? I mean, I would imagine it humbles you totally. Yeah, absolutely Fletch, and I love challenges. Yeah. I think that's that's why we're okay with it. We knew we knew for a fact that, you know, this is something that I guess going on the success that we have in a stray Leah. I'm very proud to say we achieve in a very short amount of time. And that sort of you know, I would not as jaded right in our heads. We're still that little kid that got invited somehow to do an opening slot at a festival in Australia and just budget shy kids at was like, oh is that like. What's notch? We go and talk to. Like, that's that's equa Kwaku, right? Hey, what's up? What's up? Chris. And we're so that because it hasn't been too long. You know, we're doing headline shows, and and, you know, starting out as you know, those kids that you know, with terribly terrible. It makes me from tractor into Abelson. Well, yeah, maybe that's an interesting way to talk about. How did you get plugged into? What was happening in Australia in the first place. You know, once you at university, you're making some music together it sounded like playing some shows together while you were still there. What was it like getting out there in the first place? Honestly, how very first manager was actually the promoter of the DJ. I see. Okay. He actually pushed us out of earth pushes hard to. Yeah. He convinced us to to spend the money and go to this thing called AMC, which is the electronic music conference. I guess it's kind of like Miami music week. Or whatever eighty S and. Yeah. But for a stray Leah so we went over there and realized okay, there's actually a whole industry then backs the sane, and we met an agent over there because we played a few little shows in Perth and and head you've been putting out musical little bit put out terrible terribly. Honestly. I've no idea. Why agent signed us? He's terrible. He signed off that she DP, right, right and internet, don't go find it. Yeah. You still with him? He has been with us the whole way he wasn't even at the conference. We left the conference walks like a mile down the road to this little ordered like lemonade bitter. And he was like, yeah. When I wanna book guys, and he put us on this terrible to at least, we're touring. You know, he just we wanted to get out of there. And he was like, well, I can put you on some shows, and it'd be good, but supporting gold room around Australia, but we thought we were going to be supporting him. But we weren't really we would just like opening every show that he was playing, but we went on the post. Does. Yeah. For free to each club. It was sketch. We stayed in hostels. And man, it was real sketchy. Definitely lost a lot of money doing that. Bob. We learn that. Okay. This is how it works you fly around you play shows, you meet people you stay at the club and talk to whatever. And that's I think people just slowly started hearing about us through music. We put out like a popular remakes of touched by what's not and then failing came out people started actually playing on the radio and like deejays playing it around the country, right? The kind of broke you in worldwide a little bit. Yeah. I think I think natty to which is a huge. I. Yeah. That gave us like the confidence. Well, yeah. You were saying he was, you know, your inspiration to learn DJ place who you were looking at. Yeah. And the fact that they we we had like when we were riding in that shitty. All who's going to pay this out. And always was a fear for us to play our music out even when we had demos, right, right? And that it's pretty much gone now. But we still like the mix not good, and we production schools just aren't there yet? Right fill in. Somehow. We you know, again starts salon. We've fluke into it. And we knew to sort of techniques you need it to to to use to get a record to sound as big as that. And it was more of a confirmation for deejays to be playing in the fact that Mattie on played it. I was like, okay. That's a good sign. Yeah. We do this like in the early days. It seemed. Like baby steps but going from AllFirst EP having like truth plays on a track three or two or three. To fill and having like fifty thousand plays twenty five times growth, and it doesn't like it's any fifty thousand plays. But those small steps in the early days would they take just as long as going from three million plays to fifty million plays, which is huge. So I think yeah, definitely, you know, although it was a small Potter baccarat. I think that first early early days and the manager the promoter. He definitely helped us realize that there was a scene out with with the label in Australia, which which also help us in the early days as well. That's a great story, man. And so continuing on was it kind of just like a slow steady progression from there as far as, you know, starting to tour outside of Australia, connecting with other artists who maybe we're now hearing and playing your music where there any kind of big moments that stick out for you. Or was it more of just kind of an organic growth. I think. It's being we we're big fans of slow and steady because. Same anyone will know anyone? But a lot of the people who have meteoric rises also have media. Rick foles. Yes. And anyone who's been slow and steady has kind of stayed true strong foundation. Yeah. And that's kind of what we've done what we did Sloan city area. Now doing slow and steady in America was so what was the first time. You really started coming over here to play shows. Do you remember that three fifteen twenty festivals? No was the first one shy. That was like yet end of twenty fifty okay? People who believe in us in a very beginning. You know, our show in America put us at eight PM to Sierra sage and we played to heaving crowd. I slept videos from that from that night. It's incredible. And from there. I was like, oh, wow. This is awesome. We we can do this too. That's a good foot to start off on was there any surprises playing for American crowds versus Austrailia and crowds. Did you have to change what you are doing or how you were thinking at all for sure. Yeah. I think different different countries, and you know, based on social media transcend cultures people gravitate towards different sounds and different feels thing in America. There's kind of two two sites for us to to fan bases. One really likes it heavy bass stuff, and you have one that, you know, I guess again diffuser base crowd likes the vibes, and and you you kinda catered towards both. But in a stray Leah music fans are very, and this is we're proud of that straining fans are very open minded. Although they could be a little bit elitists by which they hold artists read high standard, which is a great thing. But they love all sorts of music. You know, we have fans who listen to architects, which is like heavy heavy metal. And this. This was when we're doing group in the move civil two years ago, and these fans will stay for two architects because they're playing before us and we jump on and do traffic same Saint Pete. Mm-hmm. And the end rage to both that is rare man they'll say they'll seem to shark which is a mazing. To be honest. I feel like it used to be that way here more than it is now, and I don't know why that change the separation of. Yeah. Maybe it's just you know, that the electron occc and did get so much bigger here in recent years, and people are more knowledgeable and maybe more specialized, but I kind of miss that. Like, I'm glad to hear that still happening somewhere in the world is. Yeah, it's it's awesome. Again, big shot at the triple j to make to make it as a diversity on. They really play such a while. You know, the kid do right like do a country song right after metal and then they play sicko mode. Yeah. I love right after and you just have to deal with it you enjoy your drive to work. You know? I mean, that's that's exactly how my brain works. Exactly. What you're talking about? Like, that's something. I would do something. I do all the time. So I love hearing that that's still out there man is awesome. And I think that's a DJ mentality to right? Is that it's not so much about exactly what it sounds like. But it's about the energy and the vibe and just moods. Yeah. Yeah. Those those connections that you were talking about earlier, you know, the way you curated in your own mind. Yeah. I I love that man. And so for you guys, you know, once you started coming over here was it. The you did with mad decent that really kind of like established a foothold here or had that already happened earlier for you that happened John. Just before we released the Madison AP, and then we came over. And we did the Choi to right? So that was the fracture UP that was so I mean, I honestly think what speaks in America is touring playing shows young people wanna see on there and all big America's massive. And obviously you need music. You know, you need music out there. But I think just playing shows and getting in front of people and creating that face to face memory in connection how you win hearts in America. And that Troy tour I mean that was, you know, month long, right? That was like a long three months. Yeah. So all over the country thirty five shows, I think that's a lot man. Just amazing just to to start time in America. Ask did anything. Stick out where you surprised by anything any memorable shows fans. Singing our music in Montreal. It's weird some cities just have a really strong fan base and other ones done like randomly smarter people than make and probably explain that. But I've never been able to understand why. Because it's the same for any artist. You know, like, why do I have so many fans in Milwaukee? Fence in Poland, Germany too. So. Yeah. Yes. So I mean, it's just a lot of shows, and they're all amazing in their own way. But the the thing that stuck out. The most familiar was just how what was to be. There was two tool buses twenty twenty something crew. And it was just like a big family for three months in just became a life. It was also the tour life, especially the bus life, man. It's there's nothing else live, and you can try to explain it to people. But I think it's awful when you explain it. They really that to also. Back on a three month. If I'm on it. But you know, as an experience it was incredible. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's just one of those things that I think binds musicians together those kinds of shared experiences because you're it's like living in a weird alternate dimension for a few horror stories with tour buses p being like, you know, people party so late, and if you wanna go to sleep you cannot but very important to get along with those people. It's if you don't get along with somebody then. Yeah, hold. Troy crew amazing. We slipped. Exactly, everybody's when the bed at the same time. Everybody was consider it. You know? It's awesome. You guys went on to collaborate with Troy you guys got along after play mortal Kombat too. I got fully smashed by him. Still good just DC versus what? Yeah. The Justice legend just man, he beat my superman with Batman. What an asshole. I'm like a super alien human. You should be ashamed. Various. Reasons why practicing motor combat right now. Are you really Choi? You're listening to this rematch. Amazing. And was anything you worked on on that toured is that what ended up becoming the collab- that's on the Sarah EP now. Yeah. Yeah. We started the idea on the two of us didn't China. That's an interesting thing that I don't think everyone understands that. Sometimes you can start something and not finish it for years out. So how did that that particular collab- with Troy how did that come about over the years knock on the door of his two bus ravens at Choi semi to SIMS? After losing. He goes, I'm gonna look at music. Sweet. Let's look at some stems Fleischer. Look at demos. I looked at some. He looked we swapped I gave him a loop. He gave me his let's this one. Instead that was pretty much it. He he had Hilliker hip. Hop beat and him whistling with him. Humming. At the same. Yeah. So it was that lead the here, and we stopped since no back and forth. Once only really we had the we had the demo. It was title ready. Senate over you clean, it up ideas there and sent him back to me goes not ever going to touch it. But we have like a lot of the year. I was gonna say why did it take a year you'd just needed to sit on like we worked on in China? We we were like referencing in Indonesia. We played it live couple times too. Yeah. Played it out test to tweak things. Even even here when during in the states we worked on and finally yeah, finally decided that Cole, Don. Yeah. Fair enough. Is that how a lot of your guys collaborations have come about just kind of that organic like always again? And yeah, we never never like manager reaches out and decides very difficult. I feel yeah. To produces especially that can be true like an arranged marriage is. But I mean, some people do that, man. I read the mind. Yeah. Basically dates set up for them, you know. That's cool. You know, we've done that before. But we've just never really subtract from that been arranged marriage before how about as far as working with vocalists, and that's the sometimes it's tough away vocalist like, for example, with Clare Ridgely we she's Montreal. And yes, so you know, we reached out over the internet. But since then, you know, when we were in Montreal touring. We caught up hung out didn't do any music, and she she works with another guys. Well, and so we hung out with him. He's come to hang out with us in LA. And we just think it's really important to do non music stuff related four, or at least definitely off to just to get the relationship and make it fun hundred percent. Honestly, that's part of doing this show for me is to be able to break out and kind of relate to musicians on a different level shopping. In a pseudo cold. Level. That's a good start. Yeah. That's perfect. Yeah. That was good. You slid that? And so let's talk about the new EP as well. It's the surrou-. Why am I saying that right? Some people say Sarawak, let's just say, okay. Sorolla more American where thing it, right? Sarah, walk Sarawak Malaysian. So what what about this time in your lives or your careers? What made you want to sort of bring it back, home and. Titling the EP after where you grew up. That's a strong move. So I'm curious Affleck's. Yeah. And you know, what was happening in your careers in your lives that this sort of seemed like the right time to bring it back home just coming from where we were talking about before having demos sitting in your computer for a year minimum up to three years. We flipped our just getting kind of stale as you feel stale to jump in a studio and sit down and go. Hey, we go to write music today. You know, we gotta write me we got to. That's the problem. We got to write me when its job, right? And I think that then distant decided like, hey, let's do something different and many people do that to you know. I think also inspired by flu migos. Like Mexico by himself Bowo into our? He went some with. And he went to Dubai. I was just like, hey, you know, maybe my hometown where you know, world music is thing that to why don't we just do that? And just book the flight and then got Viagra for documented thing and boomer. We're gone. Yeah. Honestly, we didn't really even work on our, laptops. While we were there. It was all about just like a mental refresh the eating good food going out away from society off the grid. You guys I feel a little burnt out obsolete a lot. I mean, it's weird because you know, we we've been touring and hotels and airports, and the solution was that to that was to travel again, of course. Which was weird, but I never been to to Mogens hometown. And I really wanted to see it. And so yeah, we win. And just did a lot of really unique just trying to have unique experiences that you wouldn't just get familiar. Get out of my comfort zone a little bit. I mean Morgan like what for example, what are we talking about? So we win. We went in stayed with a tribe. It was a five hour drive into the jungle, and then you take a boat for now, and we stayed and there's literally nothing miles is no electricity. We sell reception. The only way to get in and out is on like a little not little these long canoes sketch, extremely mosquitos the size of coins in joint coins. And this bugs everywhere like taking a shower in the one shallow, which is called. And like literally there's like a black widow spider. Oh, my guess Deakin say the size of my faith. All literally probably like twenty two different bugs. I'd never seen in my life. Just dangling about me would be quick shower. Oh. Chipping be two decisive like the head of this, Mike, and it floats in front of you. And it's just it's the buzzing is scary thing over here. These these people live out there, and we had lazing home-cooked meal. We actually bought some some like stuff that this market on the way we had like five offerings name. They just Chicken, Neck and. Received by the tribe. Did they understand what you were? Absolutely to ask permission with the with the filming again, like because that's my home, this these these are very separate and very different people. A lot of tribes people over the years have gone to accept civilization. I think the first thing was Christianity and then civilization, but a lot of them. There are still pagans. Or at an enema st- day. They kind of prey to rocks in and plans trees, so. Very different. So for me to is also an experience because we we only sort of talk about them, and you don't really stay there for night. I've seen that village before, sir. But being there and getting them to cook for us and seeing them how they live. It's almost like. Oh, yeah. We take all the things in the states or in Australia for granted. You know? It's just something as simple as like tables, right? Right. Like, it's just and everything's constructed out of wood together with. Retin vitamins and a vine rope. And you sit on the floor mats and coke on the fire inside. And that's great because the smoke keeps all the bucks out. Right. You get smoked out too. Out to. Generated the one generator for the entire village goes off at ten pm. And it's like a hundred hundred ten degrees at night amazing Fahrenheit. Yeah. Yeah. And just you just sweat it out. And, you know, enjoy the food and the company and on your phone or anything like that. So that was a wild experience. Yeah. And then we also did like we tricked to what we tried to track to this waterfall. It took us three hours of traveling. And then we couldn't make it, and it started thunderstorm being trapped out on the we were actually walking up the river of these giant stones. And once it started raining, we couldn't you couldn't walk anymore because they sold would just slippery. So we pretty much had to bail into the jungle. And then just kind of in the thick of it trying to find a way back to when I was legit moment of panic and just you guys in the video just one more friend of ours. We had a few friends come fell. He's a veto of going. Yeah. It was variously with all the drone gear and our clue about to shoot. They're like an interview. And and he just all close in the drone camera. Just went with him. He saved it. But he was fully submerge. He he's like a jungle guy. He he he. I've tried to kill him many times, you cannot die. This man died literally slipped down this this huge phase into the into their water Tut's laughing hysterically. It was hilarious. Yeah. That was probably panic because it was like leeches dropping out of the trees and make season. If you don't get out like if you don't get out. There is a good chance of severe injury or death. There are people that have died at that waterfall really from not listening to mother nature trying to go against going against the grain. And mother nature's on the you do not wanna fuck with. Not not there at least there, you know. Yeah. One. So after all of these experiences, you know coming back to civilization getting back in the studio all of that. What what it changed for you? I mean, obviously, you were taking field recordings while you were there, absorbing local culture and all that. But in terms of the the writing process for the new EP like insight did that give you? You know, what we've found is that we you know, a lot of tracks. We ride the I eighty percent in the day. And then the loss twenty percent we deliberate on years, and what we really needed help with that lost learnings are just take a step back. Take a break. Forget find out what we need to finish. And for example, this closure we found some we had a recording of these these gongs being played at the village, and we laid that over the sand. And we put some jungle ambiance and that kind of wrapped it wrap that track for us. And so it was things like that where we just needed that break, and that refresh on that change of perspective and don't worry about the little things too much because. What else to sort of be in the moment a little bit more? Because you you can't really plan ahead. Also, also, listen to your own music and your own craft as as a as a prison and not as a producer, right? There are times where you know, we we just listened deliberate over this tiny since out that isn't going to be a big thing in the big picture with with fans. Win win listening to music so going Sorolla kind of just taken away taking us away from that one folder. We have going back to listen to it. And go to actually this is this is done. And with closure was a collie. We kind of put the ambiance over the top and go, that's really all need. It was some texture. It was to clean before. Yeah. And I think once music is rooted in a place or a memory to like, you know, you're saying the recording of the gone, and you, you know, you hear that at least for you guys. So you think back to where you? Were when it was recorded at least for me little like signpost like that can make the vision for a song so much clearer because then exactly what you said, you're not obsessing over one tiny snare sound. It's more about the overall five feel. Yeah. Wrapping it all up. You guys are headed back to stralia. You're going to do the live tour is this going to be sort of the biggest tour for you? This is Al this biggest we've done yet. We're playing this venue called the end more in Sydney, I know that but hit more Phipps like that's a big one pretty prestigious things. So it's a big deal for us. To be out of Silla out of any would be amazing. And then also now hometown earth were playing I think it's a twenty five hundred cap room, which is really big deal as well. I remember going to see some of my favorite, you know, be honest there. Yeah. So, you know, well class acts also played on that stage, which I looked up to and all his younger. And now we're gonna go and play that same venue, which is just incredible. That's amazing and going forward. Do you guys have any specific goals any plans for the future, you know, short term or long term like obviously things are going extremely well. But I'm curious sort of where you see the project heading in the next, you know, year two years, I think we need to take another trip. Yeah. Well, I was thinking that you know, will make this into a little thing that some Jack does, you know, even even if it somewhere, I guess close to LA like go to Luma sure Columbia Goania or something like that. Or you know, Canada like doing winter. Whereas icy cold, the hard drives in your batteries, don't work, you know, or I don't know I talked to go to Mongolia to which, you know, my family has a ethnic bloodline to and and Tabet that'd be all. Yeah. Well, and we should mention, you know, there is a documentary series that you guys put out about going to Sarah. And it seems you know, you're doing the video blogging. I like that you guys kind of keep the cinematic aspect of that going with your careers to music video so tied together for us. So delivering the EP in. In the context of that trip with visuals and the beautiful jungle canopies, and we've got a lot of amazing the cinematography took with us is incredible and captured really great really raised off which we've put through all the visuals for everything. And it's, you know, the show visuals reflect the jungle and based on it's all it all kind of ties infamous big experience. Yeah. The only other thing I was gonna ask is not related, but you mentioned the collaborations you did with ecology. Who's also a former guest on the show. And I was just curious. How that how you met him? How that came about? Because I think the one you guys did on his EP was probably my favorite of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great record, man. The started the two ideas at the same time. I was wondering about that. Yeah. I met I actually met collie first before Fletcher did he came to Perth for show? And I was like, oh, I'm just going to go because we spoke on Twitter and Instagram for for a while to decided to go to show, and I remember before his show, we went to seven eleven and bought some perceptual and some apples spritz. Yes. And went to the beach because he thought it was cool. I think that's a photo Instagram as being romantic and stuff. It just it was very windy. We finished a both the bottles before the show, I can visualize this, and yeah, just it's a it's a fun. It was and then after that we we met again. Right. And when he came to Perth a second time. That's why we both. Yeah. Actually. Yeah. I met him in Vancouver. Actually, I think that was actually before Nassir. I played a festival called faded. Morgan. Unfortunately, had some issues he couldn't make it. I'm not a criminal just it was just a visit from Vancouver. So we hung out after the show always playing off to potty. That's right. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a great guy. I love that guy. He just had us on on the dates if he's bus tour as well. Oh, how was it? Yeah. It was great to be back on the bus. Also want to be, you know, no Xiao's three days of thing. That was a tough one. Day. Definitely try not to sweat. Well, you weren't showering at the venue. Show. You ought to do it. Clean people. You do a baby wipe shower like, Syria shower. Yeah. Yeah. Do it in the sink. Doc, but you don't know real happiness until the water from the shower head hits you after three days percents. She's aw. All your share? Well, this has been great before we get out of here. Is there anything else you guys want to put out there anything? We haven't covered anything the people should know about Fletch slice. Keep telling. I think it's funny. It's not true. But it's it's a funny thing to do to people. You know, here's a trick. If you just want to play a prank on your friends, just kinda go next to the person, you guys just met and whispering their anger like, hey, just if he feels if you if you ever feels weird about anything just know that he has lice don't bring it up. He gets really weird about it. And and both of you are in two separate realities now and everyone's weird about every room. It's terrible. We're actually also just about to head back to America on the North American segment of this our walk tour. Nice. I think we're doing fifteen shows. So those dates they'll be all up on our website and Facebook this is fan ever American North American headline tour exciting. Yeah. Proper slumber. Jack headline doing, you know cells. Yeah. And actually, we have some awesome. Acts coming heck's cougar me supporting on a bunch of day. Yeah. Yeah. Can't wait. I can't wait to see him play to hell. Yeah. That's amazing. Well, I'm glad to see you guys doing so. Well, the new EP I think it's fantastic. The last question I'm going to ask this at the end of every episode simple question. You don't have to think about it. Too hard kind of first thing that pops into your head just a time in your life. And this could be recently, or it could be from when you were a kid when in a moment music, really deeply affected you. And that could mean change the way you thought about something it could be tied to an important moment in your life. It could just be a song. You liked on the radio. And it doesn't have to be significant kind of just the first thing that pops into your head. Well, yeah, for me was looking at that kid play the piano, it's such a sticking point not to complain a turning point. Yeah. Yeah. That changed everything. I was going to be an accountant I was going to be the best damn tax accountant you'll ever see. Not from that moment, onwards. Nothing else would do nothing else mattered anymore. I love the mines definitely less profound. Just a memory. I had of driving home in the rain one time and Asan Scheffel song comfortable came on which I love, and I just remember just feeling like it was just so epic. And I realized the power of different code progressions. And how you know such subtleties can can make them so powerful. And yeah, it was raining, and it was pretty big. I I love that. Because I think everybody can relate to, you know, be out in the rain hearing a song that sort of cinematic field. But what I like about what you said is you wanna step further, and you were thinking about how to actually put the pieces together like always these moments, actually, create depicting everything. But that's beautiful because I think once you start doing that at those those that's the key to doing what we do. Right is figuring out. I feel this way. But why do I and how can I make other people feel this way? Yeah. I blame the notebook. Rain and good music. And I did that to this crush it. I don't want a teenager. They went terribly where what do you mean? What do you? I play. I play play on a on speaker beautiful by Jesse McCartney beautiful soul. Like you brought a boo boo. Boy. What else? I was I now now it's on record. And I'm glad it's out there though. My prisoner of that thought anymore. Oh, do it man. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I love that. That's sorry. Yes. Perfect. Yeah. What I like about that story is that's like the reverse of Fletcher story where tried to recreate the feeling of the Bubba got it totally wrong. All that was a basketball outdoor basketball court to then what like was rain. And then everybody was playing basketball in the rain. And this girl is also in the Ray, and, hey, we'll be sick to profess my love to go three years older, you know? Oh god. Back to the awkward musician, man. All right. Well, this is great, man. Thank you so much. Thank you and shadow to Fletcher who's peeing piece. Right. That's the show. Shout lumberjack. So good to hang out with you guys. So good to see you. Hopefully, I can catch you again when you're swinging through North America for everybody out there listening. You can go catch them to they are going on tour followed the Lincoln the description of this episode where you can go get all the dates all the music, you can check out the new documentary everything about slumber Jag, you could possibly want. My name is willy joy. That's it for this week another episode in the can we're coming up quick on the two year anniversary of this show. I can't wait to show. You guys what I got planned until then I hope everybody out there is doing well take care of yourself. Go out there have some fun be around people you love, and that's it. I'll talk to you next week for back to back. This is Willie joy peace.

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Tyrannosaurus Flex - #557

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Tyrannosaurus Flex - #557

"You're listening to rooster teeth podcast number five hundred fifty seven. If you hear something you would like to see from this episode visit. I dont rooster teeth dot com podcast this week you're dealing with both sides doors tons of technology and holograms and everything like that but they just didn't do that in the hallway. Why would they feel like if people just completely adopted adopted like the future. Look like there's too many remnants of like this is supposed to be like a table. That's looking rustic and stuff so that kind of breaks. It's the illusion of the future but if you just like purely embrace a future that have been it would look like mary where we used by. Why blaine sounds like he's in a well. He's still wearing the dinosaur mass. He refused to wear it for the next half hour. Terrible blame this bad and i feel like i'm a dinosaur so at that goal wasn't it backwards. This is what about jessica negree stuff is like this. Is it right here. It's super in shape good-looking person in this ridiculous mask on top of it. It's just like i know a lot of people think it's really funny generally find it off putting i really do what you were burden you are. There's awful angry. It's so funny with tarran source. Flex title is that blade is looking view. The dinosaurs is there's two i hold it looks like a beetlejuice. I was thinking when she does like the long face thing pokes your eyes and the commander mouth. I like wearing it now because it's it's like i have a red mohawk. Hall see now on will be the wiser gifts to go back to this a have piece that was given to me. It's not trophy exactly on the burden or anything but <hes> she was telling me she was telling me that the comb here at the top of the research head. It's it's not the actual come from the rooster. She made a new one because match exactly the logo to do. I was gonna say that comb looks very much like the logo portable right pretty fun crazy uh-huh competent stop it. We're not talking colors anymore. We're done. I'm not colorblind. I don't think i'm colorblind. I'm just not a color expert either music which has been very a frustrating for me my entire life. Where did that came rangel. Come from from the camera up there man they camera up above. We can't because the lights are to briefly. They're flying a drone in the studio. Got it from. I just don't know what the cameras in have you ever seen a camera where the rooster is look up. Look at the look at the monitor after the break you like chris ran out every direction but the right one. I'm waiting not often gonna fall over just now because it's remarkable you fragile at the same time. Let me read this thing. Running remind you about facts area is also brought to you by stamps dot com back in the day sending rivers blue. D._v._d.'s through the mail was a big job. You've heard talk about it before and one of the toughest parts of making a selling products online is the shipping. 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That just came out the it's a pseudo board game for game age of wonders is a whole series they made anyone else age of wonders planet fall and i can't figure is it like based on another property kind of looks similar. It's just the scifi version of asia wondered is is it. We might play no. It's not really to age age of empires. Aided wonders been around for a while. We're play betrayal at house on the hill closer to civilization sorry. I said to me telemarketer great that sorry i gotta keep my phone on good man. I got bamboozled still. You're talking about victorio about the most care about by the way i bought factoria and had never played it. I bought it back in twenty sixteen on knots tweeting about it and it was like well if not just going to tweet about it then. It's got to be probably be a game. That's you know at least compelling and interesting you know so i installed up and of course like a lot of things team never got around to playing it for some reason like made time for it so i went back and was like redoing backlog or catching up on my back log on. I just played sub nautica that punk summering games submarine in game. I wouldn't call it steam punk. I don't dig it. That aesthetic bothers me man. It's creepy looking steve saying that will wearing a dinosaur mask the way we <hes> what's the point about this very futuristic to me doesn't seem like steam punk all we might not be thinking the same thing. It's like a really stylized to look like like eighteen nine hundred game. I was watching a fun house video where they're playing some submarine game. It looked like hop note. You gotta this submarine marine games. You're close nada. Yeah what's fuck. I can't remember it's called all right good. You're participating but i played heavy played factoria blame. Mom and i'm superman victoria's the number two most highly rated game on steam. What's this what would be number number. One highest rated rated number two with a ninety six point seven one percent rating off now. Victoria has ninety six point seven one percent rating on steam and something else has hired which i guess anybody. How old is it. I'm gonna get a breath of the wild guess steams. I feel good house team. Sorry i thought this was just games. <hes> oh god i got to pick between a sequel earlier original. I must say it's one of the puerto games. I'm gonna say wanna. Touch with games are have skyro- portal to look at me. Ninety seven point three four looking ahead podcast is number four opinions industry. What what is the rating for zelda breath wild as i have in front of me i mean is there like yeah sure metacritic critic flight. Let me let me in the nineties. I'm probably five percent of the way through factoria based on just things that you unlock your if if you're lucky i still don't write it down because i want to play and so it's like a resource game where it's like. You're gonna plan it crash-landed. It's actually kind of similar to subotica in terms terms of the narrative device that motivates the game and you're just a dude an astronaut but you have science on your side. Here's a little deposited coal. Here's a little positive <hes> l. iron. Here's a little deposit of copper and then here stone and then you just like mine it with your little pick ding ding ding ding ding and then you might enough of that stuff you think okay well. Here's madurai madurai. Use the steel that i mind with my pig over build. I'm going to build a little machine that minds in the bottom left there and build a little. I want to see this. I don't wanna. I don't wanna got on look at this stuff because i'm going to try to figure out how it works. It's the bill of mining machine spits out little nuggets of iron that makes you got. I got to get that to somewhere else. Elsie make a little conveyor belt that takes into a furnace and there's little robotic arm that you can get take stuff off. The conveyor belt puts the furnace on our factory then once. It's a factory so it's like it's you're automating everything. It's a game of automating. Every single goal is you're stranded on this planet. If you'd research enough and get enough materials you can build a spaceship to leave the planet so it's like you to start with. Nothing and it's like okay. I need a research. I need to gather stuff and then eventually start building working bill of spaceship and i can leave so it looks like a real time strategy game. It looks like command and conquer talk to me. Almost no there is a threat in the game but there's really is how is though what happens is the more you pollute the more angers them and the more more frequently. They'll start showing a defenses shirts and walls to anytime. I used to play red alert. I would just build an entire perimeter of pill boxes around. Pillbox is the the best yeah and then like one dude would just be like eighteen. Pillbox is just vaporizing this one guy yup the you'd probably like this also. You've probably like they are billions. Have you played that yeah. <hes> it's kind of like a real time strategy game but it's very rogue like i'm upset gus game road upset. It's it's a modern r._t. Arteta's but like you played see how far you can get essentially. It's almost like survival artistes then. It's not like mission base just like it's going to randomly generate stuff for you or what a little bit. It's like just a regular event that happens. It's like a zombie hoard thing and like this massive horror zombies just comes through the hor- gets bigger and bigger and bigger little. You know like i like gears. There's word horde mode and then what was the halo one one where it's was the odious t- flood blood firefighting. Thank you firefight those head into them and sometimes he'd make it and like when you did your like yes but like to have no end in sight i although i'll walk motivation and i played a traditional hormone the other day and i was like yeah. I don't wanna play this even more than two or three minutes. It was started. I felt like i at least was the first really popular one of it but we just play puerto to gametime. Dan ping system back in portal to really prevalent you what i play parole tim before for. I played the first portal poetry so good amazing. It's a great game except to terrible game to watch somebody else. It's legitimately like you want someone else plate late and you want to tear your fucking is because you're like do that. Yes there any puzzle game where you know the solution and watching someone else not be able to do the solution. There's nothing worse. I also like even just by yourself playing portal to this puzzles impossible you figure oh i'm stupid idiot but it's always like that. It's like it's like you just missed the thing and it's like oh. We were trying to these portals to get this thing off. We realized we could just hand it across this barrier. You know what i mean. It's like a simple solution. Sometimes you get so wrapped up in the mechanic. It's like oh we can just walk and has been trying at times to do the r._t. Twitch stream which we do every monday tuesday wednesday check it out twitch switched out to be such <unk> but porn on it something that i've noticed is like i get go on streams and play a lot of horror games where one person is controlling it and a lot of those horror games are puzzle based and so when you have like john and then mean usually like two or three other people all trying to do this thing and i'm like not just if you just put that over there and just battle open that and you could do that and it's trying to sit back and let the person who's playing figure out when you're not playing like not so much more clearly zero patients like christina. There's a clip that's going around to light a candle. We're playing this game name that basically one of the mechanisms is when you don't get access to light you start to go insane and then when you start to go insane stuff happens the games over and you've got to restart in the las point and we were trying to get her to put a candle down on the table and light it so that we would have to light and our sanity was slowly going lower and lower and blame it just like that. I had to come into the room to see the hell was going on. Did you scare us. I did kind of necessity. You have to do that kind of stuff. Once vicious circle comes out tomorrow we can be streaming matt dude. I'm so excited so excited. The stream going on this friday vicious summer of three nine. It's a six hour. Livestream with a bunch of people are going to be there. Some people are flying in for it. <hes> it's kinda gonna be like a mix between playing the game and some may be fun extra life type activities. You might see hey. I'm going to be on one of the teams so i'm going to be bringing way down way of doing yeah i so bad. I'll let captain boom captain booms fucking great gesture to the most people play blitz. Yeah i think it depends on what we'll probably have. Ongoing balancing. I've always played crash and burn which is michael michael. Lindsay voice zella is like one of the best characters to play a couple of people here that she fought it sucks bar bar voices zoa in that when you're you're the chicken and zealous appears peggy sue wish say disappears like yes. She has that ability trailers coming out. If you're listening to a podcast i guess live comes out tomorrow. I think the trailer for it and then if you're listening to you could probably already seen it. If you're listening to this later on some other things <hes> legislations time traveler hopefully walmart doesn't declared a violent video game or removed from listen. I can't ah can't figure out anymore can't figure out what's real and what's not really at that point. Dude like a red one thousand nine hundred dollars a kid. It seems so dumb mm-hmm dumb like they had the boxes and he's writing these things from the ministry of whatever he works for. It's like no one's gonna believe. This is double speak stuff. No one's gonna believe you know who who wouldn't see through that in in two seconds and it's like i'm at a point now. I realize i just like i almost feel like i don't want to comment on anything because it's like it's only a matter of time before that's completely disproven like this this thing you're saying about walmart taking video games off the shelves like i issued a huge chapter retraction on that. I don't know if it's too retraction was that qua believe if i remember right i i'll look into second corporate. Walmart didn't pass down that rule that the local walmart was doing that themselves. It was a guy posted a photo on twitter of literally the display case of video games at walmart which you've all seen a billion times glass case it's empty except for like a handful all of games and they were apparently all the ones radi. That's all they left in. There was that which by the way walmart was where the shooting was in el paso about a week he can half ago funny that i can't remember the specific date when it happened and walmart also sells guns and ammunition so so they banned the sale of video games according to the story in the stores. Here's the update i send the report at walmart violent video games from the shelves but the retailer responded responded saying it is not directed stores to remove them or halt sales instead the company is removing signing advertisements and demos for some video games featuring violence and firearms said all against is being sold in stores are still yes the quotas we've taken this action out of respect for the incidence of the past week and it does not reflect a long term change in our video game assortment. We're focused on sitting associates and their families as well as supporting the community as we continue a thoughtful and thorough review our policies but why is the move wha- why doug ryan department growing john wick poster or there's a mind guns to three the trauma three poster abell right. I don't know that stores yet but yeah. I see i see your point. Though it's like y just video games it does seem like a response specifically to rhetoric video games 'cause which growing up violent movies and violent t._v. shows. I grew up watching fucking friday. The thirteenth that was gruesome shit like it was teenagers getting and like massacred and might teenagers would watch this. My parents rented a copy of predator on v._h._s. for my ninth birthday and it was the fucking best birthday. Ever i bet did was after you saw that turkey get killed in front of a rooster years ago fox. I hate i. I hate to put stuff out there. In the world that i feel like it was going to end a lot of time on but i would love to see an image of the predator when he went any pops mask often. It's your grandfather's pull off the top lock. Your grandfather looks like <hes> a darker skin version of me yeah. Would you have said on a scale of one to ten. Would you be if i named my son gustavo sorolla four listen. It's a quality name name. The fourth like i literally said this. This tradition has now changed fantasies for take it away from you and you can't do it. Would you be that was legal. You'd be upset. No i'm gonna kid can you. Can you get a new dog named gustavo's role before why not why don't you because that'll be a kid did. Which henry are we on. I stopped tracking henry's after the eight henry the eighth well royalty yeah anybody we know god. Can i can name my kid henry the ninth can i just do that. Show you can do whatever you want. Who do you have a claim to the throne glee not when i i would say like where how do we really know what just name someone could jump into the royal family royals like they were getting defeated and they're all thrown out and everything i'm assuming the shit about english royalty but i'm assuming that's different lineages and different families that were king. It's not one family. This whole fucking time is it the first avenue wouldn't know would now i'm. I'm trying to look it up and i'm typing stuff in like. Are we still numbering henry's. I don't know how else to look up so the fuckers that are in there now. Can you overthrow them and that's legit like if you can overthrow them. Can you on the storm. The castle like like showing buckingham palace steal the jewels. Is that what rules make them. I don't know i'm just thinking like a video game. Like what's the goal you get crowned jewels but you take the crown off of the queen and you put on your that's it has to be accepted by the people like it has to have the endorsement of the people if we're talking like legitimately what the british people don't vote in the monarchy or anything we it's makes no sense it makes no sense because how does brexit effect this just go back to be in a family of our of the island but now it's not even going to be that because i think scotland's now going to have another referendum to go independent taking of brexit. Did you guys watch the great hack on net flicks. I haven't seen it yeah. What do you think i make this caveat. Every time we talk about it like in personal final circles and i and i haven't talked about podcast yet war prepare everybody. It's a very very left leaning documentary which a lot of people will automatically to now and i get it again that i lean to the left and so i don't mind that stuff as much but i can definitely see how hard that leads up because it's based on the last election. It's a very important thing to watch so so. I think to just see how people's personal data that's out. There in space can be used against a ways that you wouldn't want absolutely and even if you liked the outcome of of the election just understand how the same thing could be done to make something that you really don't like yeah. It's more about personal data than anything just because you mentioned the election. It makes me think about something. I saw on the local news last week. The <hes> the local election commissioner was on on the news. I guess they were invading travis. County is getting a new voting systems like we're gonna have voting machines for november and they're talking about all the features this voting machine and how much better than the old one and and the woman who's demoing it who is our election commissioner here in trump's county says the machines running windows seven which is older but since it's older you know it's more secure you're and i was like that's not how that works. I looked it up. An microsoft is ending support for windows. Seven this january update for street whole rust january twenty twenty two months after the installed this new voting system there will be no more security update just that statement for someone who's in charge of that just making that blanket lincoln statement about digital security scares the shit right. It's like well. These are the people that are making the decisions for securing our vote and it's just it's inherently apparently flawed from the beginning how do you how do you fix that. Yeah just had an idea for a name for your son burning for call him journey burns in when he could be like a small adventurer who goes in and travels the world wow burns. I actually love that journeys a great name spelling journey j. in the front one of my name journey like the fucking sick band like taking a journey make an adventure with burns earns rose your name thirty on george burns and you can work on fox all day and spacing between letters porn porn. You get a job bobby bob. It'd be a great middle name. Though based off your other sons middle name learning burns and he'd be a teacher. I'm having a kid right now. We can you know we should do. You take like a bunch of surveys of like what the fumes his life is going to be like like thirty like what i can't even imagine what a job would be when he's like twenty five. I just don't know what jobs are going to be this right. <hes> everyone was having a youtube channel apologize autre. I'm not an apologize. Your son will be a different time doc or if he works hospital gurney burns gurney burns. I'm probably never even gonna say what his name is publicly probably because because i've learned just don't talk to people if you're gonna have a kid never just throw out the names you're considering because people have very strong opinions of names. I think you have a lot of great options. From the the last five minutes apparently burns it'd be a big fan of meg cassava role sorolla before that's their quality name at that's all i'm saying i would like to name him. There was why would do it. It wasn't the original gustavo by the way it was my other grandfather other. Oh you're catching who killed the <hes>. He's a third dernie. Burns was laura dern. Fan was your point in time. You know i could see you going by real. I think i'm going to start going by gus and you go by gestapo. I think so is their motivation asian for that. Could i still call you know you come across. I mean it's it's not a big deal but i've always like tried to truncated and lately. I've been thinking about it and it's like. I don't know why i bother while they're doing that but i like. My name is short for gustav had like my name. Why would i not use gustavo so i don't know like choice in the podcast. Will you still going to go with that. <hes> credit in the closing credits on the puck and a couple of weeks ago changing engine exhibit deal. I changed my name. I change. I would change my name in a heartbeat no barbara so classic and cool dunkel men. I've there's so many people i've met you can change your name by the way i know okay. I know you can but it's like. At what point is it too late. I'm talking about forty one so yeah but that's you still your name. Oh i see what you're saying. It's like going by barb. Versus barbara still man. I dunno ernie burns. Probably something a lot simpler. I like. I never liked my my full name saito. I'm marie marie murray l. There's a couple of people in this company. They won't tell you you how to pronounce her name like you ask them specifically and they won't tell you i mean merrill was one of them for a long time. I'm like meg calls you mural near murrial or whatever the pronunciation the mega for it and i was like but i've always said mariel socialized mariel or mariel she whatever please tell me maryland what you want. Can you tell me what you want. Your name said like she's like mac. That's immoral of merle haggard merle merle merle merle like merle haggard. It's like a joke you know i if i think that because of muriel's wedding material the old movie right and then you are still l. some as an email on burns kind of like that on all god please no. I clearly a bond villain. Barbara colin sounds pretty good. Oh there was a really funny thing. What was it god damn it. I didn't save it was a really funny article. Where nasa issued a challenge to spacex. Did you see it. Oh yeah which they said nass us spacex issuing a public challenge like hey if you can land a spacecraft on the moon by this date. I think it was something in twenty twenty one. It was relatively soon. <hes> then we'll do a series of missions with you going to mars and like the top comment comet i read on that was like hey. I just wanna challenge everybody else. If you buy a lamborghini. I'll ride around in the lamborghini. What kind of thing is i wish i could do that. I was like nasa. Hey can somebody just build me this thing and then i'll go on it with. You and i'll just go to the moon with you. Let's go do that funny challenge so with the way it was worded. Particular was like like especially like just like every privileged challenge that nasa was issuing. That's their prerogative right. They've got to find the private sector to do it because we're not going to give the money has to bring to the table. He must be bringing funds for the midwifery. Yeah government contracts locked space x. That's what spacex basics makes other money from right. Sorry blame. I never know when you're talking 'cause it's. I can't see you don't speak to your coming out of that thing. Cutting you off this thing what underminded this episode received. Podcast is also brought to you by experience. The better your credit score the easier it is to get the stuff you want and you may even pay less so the question is why is it so hard to raise your score. Thanks to experience. 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Experien- boost can potentially help you establish or increase your access to credit with your fico score instantly for free august only available at experience com slash r._t. That's e. x. P. e. r. e. n. Dot com slash r._t. Thanks experience for sponsoring this episode of the received podcast. I read a disturbing story earlier today. There was this guy in. I think it was in california he he lived in holding one who who had gotten a new car and you want to get vanity license plate so we thought what's like a weird <unk>. Maybe fuck with the d._m._v. bit <hes> car. He got the license plate no in u. L. shit yes. I can already go now so and he said there. There's no problem the first the first year so he had the car but then he got a parking ticket fired meter or something and then after he got that parking ticket the tickets just didn't stop coming that it was. He got twelve thousand dollars of tickets mail to him. Oh it's because there was an outside vendor that was processing all of the all of the tickets for whatever city he lived in and when they didn't have a full license plate number. They assigned it to know like novelli so he got all of those take all of the the scientific sent to him. He should know better. He knows that knowledge was giving. You're giving a presentation at defcon. He knew he was going to maybe start something like like he crashed the system for millions of users so then the the he had to explain to the city it wasn't me there's no way no so the city told them well. Change your license plate. Number is no because i didn't do anything wrong. They said they took some conversation. Yes so they said they took care of the problem not to worry about it but but he said all they did was he raced that twelve thousand dollars of fines. All the tickets are still getting assigned names so he said he's still has like an another six thousand dollars shown up since then in tickets that they say that he owes but it's not him. It's like a helicopter and talks so hacker conference de always it's always one. That's always in vegas vegas yeah and you it. There's always a vincent. It used to be in early january and early. January is like a big time for a bunch of events taking place in vegas at the same time. There was what is now the streaming awards. There was variations creations of the web awards took place in early january c._b._s. Early january in vegas the avian porn awards also at the same time and then defcon as well so i won't say what is there to attend wasn't important but i was there and i remember i logged onto the public. Wi fi why in the casino and i was listening to remember defcon going and i was like fuck it. I'm sure logged onto like some node that somebody he's set up and i just think i'm really transfer my bank information. I was worried about that for mom. Was there with you you were there ever wasn't us and drew curtis from far it was yeah and we found out and i remember i turned my phone off. I'm not turning it back on the whole time. We're here call yeah. They just set up stuff like they'll set up like a version of small cell tower or wifi hotspots. I said they like actively. Try to hack people wall. Con is going to try to actively hack people. They have a wall were. They post people's personal information to show people that they got there. There was a presentation tation a few years ago. That was really disturbing that was i sent a pizza to your girlfriend. God where it was like someone like i was able to like he picked. Some person at random was like i was able to defined every bit of information about this random person found out where they live. I found out where their significant other lives and so i sent a pizza girlfriend fuck. I mean there's worse things that can happen to your girlfriend friend all kinds of really he said i went to the river this weekend and i was. They had a rope swing and i must have gone up that thing like thirty times. I'm like really low in oxygen by the way i'm like tim soft committing anyways as i went to the bottom and got water my nose and then i immediately started working about this brain eating fucking amoeba and i don't know if that's a myth or what not miss the real real explains tonight so the the the amoeba that lives in warm waters goes in your nose. They're everywhere all of us but for some reason just sometimes they get into someone's brain the goat i think to the brain stem and then they just start our eating and multiplying and it's one of those things kind of rabies when you start to exhibit symptoms. You're pretty much how long did take effect. I think it's just a day yeah. Where did you go ropes winging water up their nose all the time from what i understand you wouldn't know it blame the rest of us would would immediately see it because the people go through im- immediate and very drastic changes in personality like massive changes in personnel. This also the colored yellow anymore. It looks like green to them well. That's why for those nettie pots. They give you the solution. I put in the water that does something to but basically because you're putting tap water into this thing i think the two don't put temple output tablet or like boil it or put the solution in that they give you for it so boiling water up your nose sodium gotcha yeah interesting filtered or boiled water. Not butter has something called not the wall of shame. I called the wall of sheep from wall of sheep dot com. What does wall sheet the wall. Sheep is an interactive demonstration administration on what can happen when network users let their guard down. We passably passively observe traffic on a network looking for evidence of logging email websites or other network services without the protection another encryption v._p._n. Sources are and then they post that up there so yeah. It's it's kind of goes back to the great hat hacking barb. We're talking about like ample also willingly put so much information out there. They just kinda trust. It's okay do because humans are like narcissistic at heart where it's like. They want people to know about them and everything which is why when facebook started people were eager to like. Oh yeah one put my birthday and where i grew up in all these photos of me is it narcissism thing is service and it's a services to valuable service but there's an old saying which is if you're not paying for the product you are the product and so what people don't realize is that they get stuff for free and really what they're doing is. They're providing an exceptional amount of personal data. In the past media companies especially paid hundreds of millions of dollars to try to figure out like they take a broadcast show a._b._c. They broadcast from there towers. They couldn't after they broadcast it. They know fucking clue who watch those things but they had to report to advertisers. Who's watching the program so that's the nielsen ratings. Are there just surveys. They're like a selected group of families that keep a diary of everything they watch like a paper diary and and then they processed that and then they tell the advertisers would say. I don't know how many billion dollars a year industry is advertising on that changed it though like they have a watch box that you can that was one of the set top box okay but still it's a market sample of a sampling of people have no clear now. It's way more sophisticated the reason why saying hey why don't you go set that. You're d._v._r.'s for shark week. Immersion is those are things that count now because now they have more technology. That's connected t._v. Was not connected. It was a one way transmission and it just received as it didn't send out information so they had to go through all that stuff before a marine college they sent out these surveys one time like what are you watching if you do the survey here's there's money like they actually sent you. Five dollar bill yeah and then like all college kids at co op weren't realizing that they just thought it was junk mail so there was just a trash trash cans filled with money and i went emails okay. You guys are throwing away. Cash people went out and got it but i got a couple of bucks nice. I always tear up junk mail before a third away and always be aggravated with like they put like a nickel or something in it and it's like i can't throw away nickel. It's just like i just can't bring myself to. It's almost like you. You can't throw away batteries either. You know just can't myself do that. I found out that's a little scary is when you get mail and there's like oh. Here's your proof for alone. Here's a a real check that you can deposit found out is if you deposit that check your a owing this long company itself but anybody could deposit that check check. If someone came across that in your trash they could deposit it credits. You just reminded me. I want to talk about the we can i. I don't know what you're fucking crazy. So this is something that's come up on. Then mo from me and it's like this thing that store gannex happened that is driving me a little fucking nuts and that is probably six months ago. Maybe longer we got in the conversation about austin and sugar babies. Remember that and gavin said to me that what i said what would you charged me my sugar baby as three thousand dollars a month. I was like i could probably crowd fund that right now and so as joke i said look crowdfunding. We'll make gavin my sugar baby. A couple of people found my vim. Oh and sent me like ten cents towards the gavin sugar. One guy sent me three bucks and i sent it back to him. I said it's funny but don't please don't send me money. It's fine. He's three bucks for the gavin. Sugar baby fund fast forward to whatever it is now. Maybe six months to a year later. He writes me back because well it didn't work last time with only three bucks so here's six bucks six bucks so i thought that's kind of funny and i want to go back. Cinemax six bucks and it was like you know what i said. Hey you know what two can play this game. Here's told whole bucks. I sent whole bucks. Oh no so then he sends me. Twenty four bucks now serves like all right. I'm kind of curious forty eight bucks so now he's sending me ninety six six dollars so now we're in this like chicken stop. I'm gonna i'm gonna take money from him and stop at zero. Don't give him any more zero threw it out. They just sent him what he sent me and that's it. I guess that could be the way out you gave me the way out but if you needed help to figure this out there is i've been in the panic about 'cause like like i'm kind of curious how far this will go and chad's got the worst advice ever he goes. You should really show him up. He was just send a thousand dollars. That's terrible advice. That's me losing thousand dollars. I hope it doesn't get anywhere near that amount. I've got a if next time he sends me money back. I gotta send him a hundred and ninety two dollars to keep this look one-upmanship upmanship going. Don't just send him and that's back to ninety six. We're all right. Don't encourage it but aren't you kind of curious how far could go. How far does the fucking prison why i don't know i just don't trust it yeah now. I'm worried about going to prison for. I saw some other defcon presentation this what this reminded me of kevin by kevin mugabe's or on you a so other con- presentations where someone was talking about this this scam that's going on right now on ebay the person giving the presentation said that they wanted to buy some espresso pods so they went on ebay and they looked and they saw this really good deal where like the get like two hundred espresso pods but it was like half price nice so like oh okay you know how that just espresso might be. The single most overrated rated product. You're going to get a little complicated so i'm gonna use names here okay. Let's say it was blame. Blame goes on ebay and buys some espresso positive half price. He wins the auction when when blaine gets espresso pods besides just an espresso parts. There's also an espresso machine in there and but that's not what you bought so you do. You bought it from barbara. Let's say so you email barbara and you say hey. I just wanted these espresso pause but you sent me a machine as well and barbara said i just wanted. Did you to be a happy customer. So i sent you an espresso machine on top of the dispersal posit you bought when in reality what happened was barbara still bernie's personal information opened up a new credit card in your name without you knowing it sold espresso pods bought an espresso machine in senate here it didn't cost her anything but she gets the money from blaine so she's taking credit card making fake transactions stealing from you and get your hard cash return from it from this side so she's he's just stealing from me to sell other people's stuff but why does he get a free and espresso machine in that just so they leave a positive feedback so that they can keep doing this selling other things to other people so they're they're like spending two hundred bucks up my account just to get more feedback on their thirty dollar miss presto scammers because it doesn't matter to them because it doesn't cost them anything that guy that speaks to me on such. It's a level of like i can't say the number of my life these days. I feel like someone going. We'll just do like five more times the thing that you should normally do because you'll get a little bit more of an effect. It's like i'm not doing in that. I don't want to constantly just nose to the grind sounds like let's be more effective in the things that we do all the fucking time this conversation but the people who are the people that are the angle. It's like it doesn't affect them anyway. Why the fuck would they care. It sounds ridiculous but it's no more work for their kids no more money out of the out of herbs locking his presser machine jesus stealing more money. It's exactly the same way or another express. I actually actually this thing with doubling down with kevin kevin. I'm watching you. Don't you. Don't tell me ninety six dollars to walk. This is like who wants to be a millionaire to me. Don't send me the ninety six dollars. Take it take your money walkaway up. Don't send us money. Dot please do not seem to shut that off the literally this was fun to me. This was the only thing i ever thought about making public but i i do wonder how come then mo hasn't given rise to those age-old scams of like me and this guy kevin wearing this person fonsi steam essentially is what it is but why haven't we seen a rise of those like chain letter things of like a i got a list send the person at the top of the list then mo them like a dollar or whatever and it's always the person that made it in such a way that they make everything five times five times five but it seems like oh if this keeps going while all my money if you ever seen anything like that online dolf don't do it. Don't fall for dough for him. He ever send you double the amount of money then do not respond. Even if it's funny that is contracts but that's also life is falling apart the most common scam. You see like people talk about on reddit where it's like. I bought something or someone bought something from me online and they sent me more money than i expected and they told me just a cash the check and to send them the balanced back. It's always a fake check. It's always a fake check always send them the money. The check check bounces and you're out all of it i did that. Don't let anyone send you more dole that anyone send you more money than they should. Yeah no. It's true. I've actually kind of losing money to transaction fees joke but it was funny. It hasn't gotten completely out of hand yet but it's it's about to be. I'm about to lose twenty four bucks if he if he keeps my forty eight walk away then i'm going to do but <hes> i had that recently. I i did something spite where there's a little gym near my house. It's very little him. Get no like a guy named. It's like a workout gym like at work and you as a little gym near my house. It's actually part of like a bigger complex where they do like lessons for gymnastics and like other other stuff for kids and like tennis and swimming like that and like the gym is such a small part of it and like i really love it. The gym looks like it's out of the nineteen fifties. It's got like the expected to do with the unitards with one strap with the big kettle bell lifting of the pyramid weights eugene sandile yeah yeah and it's but i i just had the membership because it was almost nothing and it was nearby. It was closer than my other jam. It was like my other gyms like closer to the office or convenience one but it was like dirt her cheap but because it was like dirt cheap i also wasn't paying attention to and i get like behind by a couple of months and then i pay it and they got sick of that. I guess for me like not paying my bill so they said did they said hey. We've canceled your membership because monthly and you're not paying monthly. You're paying two months and i was like i was like all right. That's fine. I'm sorry and they go yo this past you amount of like ninety seven dollars for three months or something. That's that's even too much would have been like thirty dollars for three months. It was ten dollars a month and so it was like all right my my fault. I'm bad but i feel terrible about it because i pay my bills but i know because they're not some big company. That's going to report me. I was like kind of let that one slide because it's cheap. I feel terrible about that so i'm just i'm i'm just saying this this wage my own guilt but pay up front. I did do that i did. That was another one of my solutions. I lose paid for the whole year but then i had the membership for a while and i was going in like once a month once every maybe like forty days. It was like it was when i wanted to go on like a sunday. That's why because my gym is not open on saturday or sunday the one that i normally go and that's why it had a kiss i ever wanted to go and i figured it's like ten bucks a month. That's worth it but then it was like i fell behind but then look america so i was like guys. I'm like i'm like your dream clients right whereas if you show up once a week and you don't pay it's great. I i pay. I pay late but it's like if they get the money eventually anyway. I'm not going to the fucking jim. Just don't say your dream client and you're not paying your bill. I'm close to a dream incurring retrieve adjacent jason. I'm near if they could just give me to pay like i most of the time on time. It's just occasionally sleep. I want that to be all the time also by the way every other service in the world. It's my responsibility. I take full responsibility for marriage. What's belly however it is like the only thing that i would get a bill in the mail a check for so what i started doing was automating just sending them a payment. Then i ran a problem where i got too far ahead at one point on them and they were like you please stop getting too far ahead and it's like these payments payments and then i stopped the payments and then i got far behind. It was only two years ahead all these problems with them. So sounds like you're both are better off. I think it was a toxic relationship doing better on your own and that any better shape than i love yes so this is this is going to be <hes> my last podcast for a while as you guys know ashley is now the thirty eight weeks pregnant the phone ring at any point in time and i could be off to the races with with new kiddo so i think it's probably chances that's going to happen next week so this is going to be my last podcast for the foreseeable future. I don't know when i'll be back but whoever's in this chair mixture being make sure you're nice to the journey. That's all we just put your kid in that chair and just look at him for two hours just hanging out bush. I'm so fucking excited so exciting cast is in good hands. It's going to keep him nice normal for you. Thanks committed to the mass is bit weight. Well thanks everybody. Some of us will see you next week and some of us won't all right bye bye everybody the it off.

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The Mandalorian and Rick and Morty with Gus Sorola

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The Mandalorian and Rick and Morty with Gus Sorola

"Welcome to ball. TV The officially unofficial podcast for all All of television. I'm your host Jim. I'm your host Iran. And this week. All of television is confined to Rick and Morty and demand Laurean and in order to discuss that we have a special guest guest. You might recognize from Rick. And morty podcast Gustavo Sorolla from rooster teeth fame. He's the CO founder of rooster teeth. Actually and he runs the rooster teeth podcast. Welcome to the show. Gustavo is go out. It's going great Thanks for joining us again. WE'RE GONNA talk first about out Rick and morty the first two episodes season four this kind of general thoughts on that and then we'll get a move over to the mandatory in We've we've done a whole podcast. I on these two episodes rick and Morty so Gustavo what's your what's your feeling on the first two all I'm really life. I had a weird moment actually with this. Most recent episode second episode was deceit I watched it and then I thought it didn't get it so you immediately immediately watch the second time and then after the second time I thought now it's just really sad isn't good episode but I was I was a I was strangely sad. Let me so sad I watch it again immediately to make sure all right it was like it said still sad Were you expecting something something else. It's like a whole episode about taking a dump out. You know peace with that and then how do you make that into something. It makes you feel sad like introduce your cost. Rick and Morty has its ways of making you feel sad I remember the episode of with that chaos chaos song at the end with unity and all that stuff and made me feel pretty sad was also I think one of the thoughts ahead after we recorded a podcast was like one of the things I think that makes this work and like maybe what guest avas getting at is that You know this is the most low stakes thing in the world. Like Rick has a private toilet to someone pooped in His response where he does all those. CSI Batman Bullshit in their checks himself in the civil war and changes. The course of how that goes like this this this crocodile robot war. Who knows what that will do to the galaxy? He goes through all this stuff and then again and keeping mind is a super low stakes Changes this guy's life for the better and then plans epic. Revenge doesn't work because the guy's already moved moved on like he would have never come back to the toilet. He was too busy living his best life because wicked freedom being in the confines of Rick's Anal Cavity and being in the red bag you've kool-aid changes. He's live forever so like you're like like how it is Kinda like that That that the stunt twitter account trump Criticizes trump they get tweets of him from seven years ago. He's talking about Obama and how to buys his presidency. Like Rick Criticizes Him Hints Sitting On that Toilet Leila and having this parade of ripple should around him was himself criticizing himself which mockery like he'll we'll also unable to themselves. Yeah yeah like all the things that he could adequately say about. How pathetic and sad? This person's life is he applies to him and also the fact that he fired this bullet himself. Well that's the thing like he's the master. He's the ultimate master of his own destiny. Right and yet here. He is sitting on this throne as the king of Shit Being taunted by himself like actually establish. You're totally right. I'm now sad. Ah Paints an entirely just crippling sadness of a painting here. With this characteristic. Yeah although it was a it was unexpected overnight. Episode was GonNA end up was the first one was the cripples right. Rick Rick Diver Pete Ya Yeah. Yeah yeah that was a that was interesting. I don't know I said That opens up your questions about. Do you really want to know where in your life heading i. It's also also barnum centered painted. Mary Darko. Look for yourself. You know where you're going to go. What what what? What will you do in the short term to try to reach a long-term bulb only understand right? And that's that's the worst part is at the end when it turns out to be just a fiction that he spun it his own head of that death and he doesn't have the proper context to understand it and yet there's also What is he talking about when he says In watchmen Were weighed talks about these squids raining raining from the sky. And how they have thirty seconds life and they spend it on. US UP ON WATCHMEN. Oh Yeah I love okay. Okay I mean it's not a huge spoiler even if you are but even if you aren't but yeah he he has that line and never much applies. I think to this episode. Like morty spins the twenty two minutes of this episode dying like planning his own death right right and and it turns out to not even be the death that he wanted so yeah. It's incredibly sad as well. What what did you think again? He wanted. But not in the proper context and the median isn't fair right. It's all it's very hollow. Yeah how like I feel like morty that that Stinger is almost like you know when you get if you've ever had experience of like narrowly missing bad traffic accident and like you know like jolt of adrenaline almost died. They're like his realization. That the way that episode win with him bypass skinny dipping. And saying hey we'll probably get into forties and being weird and creepy. Because he's following his death crystal call like him trying to steer ear towards the decision that he were the death that he wanted was actively making him go farther and farther away from the life he actually wanted to that. That was a pretty pretty interesting and also what did you think of like. There's some people making some Meta analysis and commentary about because one of the things Jim and I I learned in doing seasons one through three and going through all the commentaries was. There's often the conflict within the writer's room about like how crazy should we episodes get how much continuity we like. How important is grounding it to plot also in the fan base the people that just WanNa see Mr Mix and every season versus the people that want to see the weird crazy easy stuff? I WANNA see rick making actual kind of like changes as a person and like felt like the last minute or two. This episode was like them. I'm trying to take the harm harmony. That apparently they found just made a joke to harmony they found in the writer's room about that Did you see any of that. I don't know how much you've you've kept up with like Justin and Dan's turmoil about creating rick. And morty I guess I never I mean I. It's weird I watched the show. I come a separate myself from that. I'm aware of when I'm not watching. The show read various things online. When I'm in the show kind of treat it like it's all universe I try and ignore that since I hadn't really connected that or thought about how they're trying to balance all of these different fan expectations man? I wish I could not that I'm envious of being in that position. 'cause you're primarily In the video game realm. Yeah with your podcasting commentary so like do you have the opposite problem when I sit down to play video game. I very much do that. But you can't do that as much with video games. Can you a little more difficult. Speaking of that Meta commentary something else. We wondered like in the latest episode. You've got that scene where Beth comes in to save the day on a hang glider. You're and I feel like in previous seasons of Mr Mr about Mr Rick. And morty Rick and Morty they would have like established how she ended up in the hang glider later why she was hang gliding etcetera etcetera. And I feel like some of these commentaries like there was a tension between Dan. Hey how did she get on the hang glider and Justin royal who gives a fuck. It's funny that she comes in and on hang glider. The I feel like that the me and Jim saw that is kind of like being the show being a little uncharacteristically loosened sloppy. But D- also think I don't know that that that that kind of bug you or think about it what I thought and this is one longed for second. The thing I thought of the time was oh they must have run along. Had to cut something time trying to get it into the right time frame. I didn't think that there would. There was an argument about where it came from. I just figured it was written thirty seconds for tax. And that's why getting up. Yeah Yeah I want to say that like Like if Dan has lost his mind and decided he wants to D- listen to podcasts at criticizes work I think the trade off is worth it like. If if if getting rick and morty out on a regular schedule and not every two or three years means means like every once in a while you have a bad edit on a hang glider it's still. It's still ninety. Nine percent is enjoyable. That one percent is not worth you guys killing yourself seventy five representative time so I want to assure the creators if they happen to listen that I feel like the trade off is worth it keep it loose. It's like Jabaliya the police. Yeah how do you feel about Jerry after seeing these first two episodes Jerry. He's a it seems like he's he's back in a way I didn't expect I thought he would be. Maybe a little slower to reintegrate. Knit family. you know after having been out out on his own Increase episodes But he's back into trying to take control. I mean obviously. The APP development thing went really arrived but uh-huh q.. Is trying to spin it as you know because of the adventure of Morgan Jerry and trying to Hifi primordial alien ship which didn't get a fulfilled but but It seems like he's trying like maybe he's gained some experience with this whole With all this lunacy and had some comfort with it now and kind of kind of trying to roll it yeah. I really wonder what they're doing with him. Because every every time my look at Jerry. Is He a person who does not get a lot of wins in his life and when he does get wins he tends to use that as a Cudgel to beat someone with I very much feel like that's what he's doing to rick here like like it's only dumb luck that he's really accepted back into into this family not his own. Doing he doesn't change as a person and now that he is back in the family family and he has this power over rick that he's been given by Beth that he's he's just taking every opportunity to rub that in Rick's face and it's it's so jerry like Jerry is a pathetic person and I feel like this is what a pathetic person would do given some power. Well I saw Alexa like you know. I don't know if I'm going to speak for the other. Two of you gentlemen but I was a nerd in school and in a time when The culture wasn't isn't quite as nerd as a accepting and I got I got picked on and and kind of ostracized for some of the the Nerdy proclivities. They had and and one thing that I've always been amazed at is like watching a US Gen xer nerds. I don't know if the younger generations can can relate but like a lot of times when we got a little bit of societal power like we used that as a casual to beat like for example girls in intruding upon our Gamer spaces. Or you know like we try to get key people if they start to be enthused and a hobby like it's not like hey welcome come on in is a friendly place. It's like oh you're a fake baugh because you don't know XYZ about Blah Blah and it's kind of like that that phrase hurt people hurt people like Jerry's the nerd in high school that got bullied and if he gets a little bit of power he decides he wants a bully rather than you know. There's two lessons you learn like you should bully before bully les de be bullied yourself or hey. Hey let's not bully and I think he's. He's taken the wrong wrong wrong path pretty consistently you kind of blew my mind a little bit. Sorry I'm really really GonNa be stuck on that that's GonNa keep me up sweep tonight now speaking. It'd be no sleep the mandatory and has a baby you and as a first time single dad. He's going to be in a world of hurt In in this regard What did you think about the first to I guess? I'm curious about what we expectations. Demand delorean Kosovo. I was going to start with that one right there. Expectations patients 'cause I think that that's actually that's that's that's a big question. I went in expecting Very much like a star wars story with no force. I thought we're going to see just the mandatory bounty hunter going and shooting stuff up. I expected you know maybe a couple of different missions. I didn't think that there would be necessarily an overarching story. which seems to be so far in the first two episodes and there's also a little bit of the use of force which I was not expecting at all In in this in this series I was really shocked that they would introduce i. I I know people get upset about it. I was shocked that they would introduce a baby. IOTA character yeah. I know some people don't like calling it'd be be iota because it's not a baby version of iota and we don't know she's an isolation and you say well that's baby Oda Yeah Lag. It doesn't literally mean that it's actually a reclaim baby. YODA although it wouldn't blow my mind that that's what ends up the blaming a baby of whatever species iota isn't it they haven't given us in name so we're GONNA call iota. Yeah I look forward to buy all of the holiday merchandise this year but But other than you know the The force aspect and the the baby iota. I think it's it's very similar to what I expected. You know. Seeing some of this stuff with the Mendel oriented to Wandering around makes me think of you know like old graphic novels like lone wolf and Cub Definitely get like Western vibes as well from it. You know a lot of music. Take a lot of the way that it's shot And so far I feel I went in I tried. I tried really hard temper might speculations for the show but they still got crazy high. I think so far. The show is fulfilling my high expectations for it. Yeah go back and forth because like on the one hand the one MM criticism. I have like the prequel trilogy is like Lucas seemed pretty consistently make his universe smaller and smaller like and his big galaxy. You where you know. It's not realistic to think that. Like CHEWBACCA and iota would be best friends well of course they're best friends and of course anikin built C. Three Po Joe. And there's like all these like man these crazy connections you'd think in like a small town it would be kind of unlikely or a big town big city let alone the whole fucking galaxy and and it's weird like in this one that demand Laurean goes and runs to like a species. Yoda's species a younger version of Yoda young version Yoda's species whereas Yoda's robes and then they had it force powers and I like men. This seems a lot like running home. The Mama plot wise. But it's so damn cute and it kind of puts a smile on my face. What I'm seeing executed and I'm also loving like seeing the star wars community kind of like having fun with it for the first time in a while and several years the communities kind of united about having fun something and I don't hate it so yeah I kind of share your concern like that was always my problem with the star wars movies and I think I think a lot of people will echo that choir our we always dealing with the same characters over and over here? You know we have a character that looks kind of like the whole mandatory in connection But as far as like the baby iota. That didn't bother me as much because as far as we know. It's not actually iota and you know whatever this creature is since they are so unique it would be something of interest interest to People who hire bounty hunters so I kind of wrap my head around that like okay get it. We're kind of seeing the same character again but committee. It's a new coat of wax. It's slightly sprain on it. Yeah I think like the what you said about it. Being of interest to bounty hunters is what sort of turns it from. Oh look doc you know. Here's yet another of the same species and making the world smaller to kind of opening doors to bigger worlds and bigger questions like why does a Y Does the rim of the empire. This guy is working with Want Yoda baby. Yoda the the idea that there's a four Caesar Out there that could be co opted for whatever purposes right. It's kicks open a lot of doors. This is a prequel to the newest rise skywalker because you're gonNA find out at the emperor's downloaded his consciousness into toddler version of baby. Yoda pony he had. He had the clone the other greatest force user new universe. The House is vast force powers. And it's going to be the emperor's voice coming out of this tight cute little package tight. What the fuck I'd sound like? Strike that from the record. It didn't describe baby Yoda's having tight cute baggage. 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Maybe there's more that aren't right it but as far as we've seen so far is as well so yes we have a good track record with this species having powers when they're on screen right. Does it like like make anybody mad. If if the suggestion that just might be cloned yo Yo is like is this something you were dead set against. Because I feel like I don't I could go either way. Wow and I I I. This goes back to what we were talking about earlier I would normally. I would be okay if it was but I don't WanNa keep getting the same characters over it. Looks like I would prefer if it's not iota it's something different was it really bothered me. Is like a star Trek three type of situation where not only is the the core that by being interesting that like okay. Well what would master. Yoda look like if he grew up a different nine hundred years behind them right but like if they do some kind of like Consciousness the transfer so he's just literally muppet babies iota that that'd be gone dark for me. I don't think they should do that. So here's here's the thing the vibe I'm getting from this story is it's very much. A story of bounty hunters being exploited for grander purposes. Right that if they don't fully understand because I don't think on the game the yeah. I don't think Pedro Pascal Mandal Orient is a guy who's particularly invested in why he's hunting people down. It's more just about like this bounty. I'm trying to all this stuff so I can reasonable my suit. Whatever But but getting caught up in a bigger game I think is the more more interesting part here and that to me is where the the interest comes in for the baby. Yoda it's not. It's not oh is he going to be a four. Caesar is he actually clone of Yoda. A nun of that stuff is like that interesting to me. It's more about. How is this going to affect the mandatory as a character is he going to finally get invested in sort the boundaries that he's chasing yeah Yeah I think you're right. It seems like he's maybe had unawares. The right where. Maybe he needs a blissfully ignorant about everything else. That's going on because even when he first encountered in episode one when he gets to that Camp with everyone in an ideal Drawing shows up you know to have that moment where to say. Oh we each Scott. We were the only ones coming out here right. There was no there was no on either. Their parts there was no scratching the surface. No no further thought just like okay. This is my job. I'm I'M GONNA go do it. No well what else might be happening. What what are the other macintoshes that could be occurring Behind the scenes here right in for as an audience. It's a point of entry gray like oh they were both both high for the same job. Why is that that like for cross purposes like I g eleven was there to kill it where or not Boba Fett demand delorean was there there to preferentially take it live but you know debt so I thought that was interesting to even within the guild? Yeah there's quite different bidders for different with different purposes and by the way that idea Levin was a little trigger. Happy with self destruct sequence. Yeah a little bit little bit. It was a yeah. It's a weird quip to have but that was probably my biggest question first. Episode was. That was a funny joke and then they just kept hitting it over and over like okay I get it you constantly trying to himself up. Yeah that's where this I think this is also a pretty young adult and you know some things that's a it's like I was I've I been Planning Horizon Zero Don. I know late to the party. But like I think it's a great games a great story but Holy Shit today Belabor the plot sometimes because you know a a twelve year old playing this game. Who's being you know like? Ai runamuck has not been something. They've seen a half one hundred times. They have to be able to understand what's happening and I feel like some of this stuff is like it's funny and repetitions funny and the kid it's it's I it's I feel you on that and I'm well it's like if if it does is it GonNa land for twelve year olds because it's got a land for both the forty-three in in the twelve year olds as well. Yeah I guess that's true. It's a big age range a big age. You're dealing with there. Do what do you think we'll ever see patriot. Take off the helmet. You know. It's funny I was watching this episode the other day I was watching episode to with With my wife. Hi and We finished up to actually. It was the scene where he's fighting that monster with the mud horn. He's finding that Monster Ninety of the egg and it was being dragged Iraq through the mud. And you know being beat up. Mark turned to me and said you think Pedro. Pascal is actually in that costume at all up. Yeah I I guess. He doesn't have to be but I kind of imagined he's in there the whole time so I hope he takes it off just so we can see that he's actually in there. Yeah because like most most of the I mean. Surely He's not doing all of his own stunts. So even if you say like what's Pay Pedro except for to win. He's actually getting thrown around stuff. That's still like half the time. Not Pedro Yeah Right. That's really cool. I love that though yeah I do wonder DC like that. They're setting their making It's kind of like the warf effect and the the next generation where it's the toughest guy in enterprise so lake that means that the threat of the week was always kicking wharfs asked to impress upon us what the threat is. And if you'd like to establish demand laureate has won the best up and coming bounty hunters and he like laid down the long I seen but then almost every seen since that he he's had his head handed to him by kind of cutesy. CGI creatures or he's he he. He got the better of him by team. John was like are are a little bit of the young adults to or it's like you know you just. He's going to have wild swings of competence and power level depending on what his setting or I don't know maybe he was really bad. Got It at the. At the terminating jobless was sufficient speed I was disappointed in medicine. It's trump whereas Mr Prize by was You know when he's fighting that monster at the mud horn I believe at the APP so to you know he's being trounced he'd being dragged through the mud and it seems like before before you know right before baby Yoda intervenes. It seems like he's giving up. He pulls out his vibe or night and kind of just answer. It seems like he's waiting to die is like kind of the stance and posture. I get it and I thought. Isn't he supposed to be like a great guy. Hundred you talk about that first scene where he really you know lays everyone out and that that that that that was the scene it seemed to me like you know when he gets taken out by a whole bunch of John was sure I get it. You know I could not beat up one hundred ten year olds. You're going to get the better of some kind of thing where ah get overwhelmed by sheer number. I understand that but you know one on one with a with an animal. I feel like he should have had more planned or continued. Take Leeson and the gray you know. He's like duct tape in his vibrant. Lifestyle is knuckles and like come get you know I'm going to go out screaming. And NV. Yeah felt like he was a little I g eleven go into the self terminate mode The way he brings that down to was a little surprising with one well-placed knife shot got there. They got the large jugulars very close to the surface. They bleed out instantly well with any blood. Yeah Yeah but it was. It was interesting. His was not only vibe laid weapon in that episode. It's it's interesting to see that they're They're showing more of that. You'd always Kinda hurt about an extended universe Canon and not really seen because you know when they get attacked earlier in the episode The attackers are all using like vibrant. Blade weapons you know at the end of the steps said mandatory and pulls out a vibrant live. So it's cool to see them kind of a pushing showing more that universe. What's that we've heard about but haven't really seen? And that's the thing that I think they're nailing with this is the feel of Star Wars and knowing star wars and Loving Star Wars. Like this does does feel like a bit of a love letter to the man delorean's as culture and I think the further we get into the series the more we're going to see of that in the happier I'm going to be. That's another reason. It feels like star wars is. We're able to kind of as a fan community nitpick it but in like a good natured way whereas like some of the you know. Nitpicking and fault finding in the last decade gator to has has been a little bit more with merit and with a lot more heat behind it so that you know one thing is this planet actually Tattoo Lean Lien or our jobs like endemic to desert planets that is status the navigate to them and take them over twenty. 'cause I had the same dot you know when the mandolins going into that layer to look for the egg for the job was I thought you know you know. We didn't know what the monster was in there. I thought is they're going to be a quiet. That dragon and mayor or yeah right we are we. Are we back on tattooing disarm lock. It's on the other side of the planet but I definitely had a a moment where I was wondering the exact same thing so I don't know 'cause I say we we're joking about this in the first episode. It's like you know like all star wars by oems are represented. You've got the Desert Planet Ice Planet. The you know we need to see a water planet angle. The Jungle Plan Jungle Planet and we'll have them all collected the entire set. It wasn't even WHO's Nick Nolte Kirk named coup or something like that? Oh Yeah a little little froggy you gotta he's moisture farmer right. We're still seeing the same thing over and over. Yeah Yeah Yeah I do. Hope that like Because that's the thing thing like with the other thing about if this iota baby. Yoda plot is like the entire season. Long that's a brave choice because or it's a bold choice because you know. Think about like the Jason Statham babycare. You're seeing from the second to last fast and furious like imagine that over ten episodes. It's inherent handling. A baby is is inherently limiting. The what you can do as a character now a force wielding baby that can lift one hundred thousand pounds. Maybe that's a little different. Maybe that's more of like The incredible baby. But I am a little worried about like Baby Boba Fett sitter. What that's GonNa what's that GonNa look like for an entire season if that's how what they're actually going with? I'm hoping that we we see either. I think we'll find out in the next episode right. We'll either see some resolution to this story or something that will give us the hint that it's is GonNa continue because now he's back on his ship heading back to His handlers for the mission. So we're GONNA see it. I think we're GONNA see this particular story wraps up or if it's going to be what we're we're gonNA finish out the season with your way because I was with you Gustavo when I first heard this I thought this is going to be probably a lot of tales bounty hunters short story kind of like X.. Files als where it's like. You'll have hit of the week or bounty of the week. But you might have an overarching arc. That takes place over and I was really kinda shocked to see the first mission lasting. I'm for so it still could be that way it's like it's going to be bounties of the try week or three or four week plotline rather than you know But yeah I'm I'm kind of curious to see because they're still like very little we know about this. I'm I'm very impressive. How well they kept everything under wraps it just clicked with me by the way right here whereas we're talking? It just clicked with me what I was expecting I subconsciously. I was thinking about it but I had never been never had risen to the front of my mind. I was thinking the cowboy bebop where yeah standalone stories with. Maybe some thread of an overarching story. That's in the background. Dah eventually pays off on. Its own and the one of the Great Space Westerns MHM anything else you WanNa talk about Mental Lorraine was I think I've spoken Okay thanks again Gustavo. Ah for coming on the show really enjoyed talking with the Maybe we can check in later on when we get a little bit more clarity. And what's going on demand Laurean or any other side any other Sifi topics. Hit US this up on this. Let us know pleased. I'm always happy to talk. I love all right. Cool talk to you later. That's it for our conversation with Gustav. Oh thanks again again for being here cassava. If you WANNA find more of his stuff you can do so at rooster teeth dot com where you can check out. Is podcast on your favorite podcast APP. A searching for the rooster teeth podcast cast. Thanks everybody for listening. We'll be back next week with more stuff until then I'm I'm Erin as we walked the suburban garden carefully Kathleen without disturbing it. He noticed that it moves like not at all it's inanimate and utterly without brain function but despite that when it got known hears about how Geico not only saves people money but also gives them access to licensed agents twenty four seven online and over the phone. It's clear to them. You should switch because yes switching to geico is a no brainer bounce. 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100% Ska Podcast S04E13  Back Under the Covers with Ska

100% Ska Podcast

1:17:14 hr | Last month

100% Ska Podcast S04E13 Back Under the Covers with Ska

"This is one hundred percents. Scott almost all vinyl all scott pseudo radio show with your host. Dj ride midnight spinning the finest songs from across cross genre. Sorolla rug get ready to dance up your birth Law marine talk patch added good evening and welcome to one. Hundred percents ga. I'm your host. Dj arrived midnight as always recording from our secret location deep in the heart of a jersey city rum in hand. Ready to have a good time. Tonight you just heard starting off the show there the checkered cabs with their cover of la bamba and that is what this show is going to be all about Two years ago. I did episode. That was all covers. And i thought it was high time to do it again. So tonight we're getting back in bed and back under the covers with a and i have got a wonderful assortment of songs for you To enjoy I don't really have anything much more. Segue into it than than that We're going to have a fun time tonight. I hope you have a fun time tonight as well to listening And to start things off I've got a song that basically i've been waiting for it to get to ship here to arrive It is basically the catalyst that i'm using to build this entire show around So i had to give it The first run on the first set here This is from japan the park rangers with their. I'd say boss reggae rendition of smells like teen spirit right here on. One hundred percents scar Leaving do anything and a raisins way. Soon okay Skis case once again off don and Come again no sir got saved. Aw pay walk. Ncaa taste do a you by way. Nah don't wouldn't worship fact the only ones you're body of blowers our town back triple dog all right a little bit of total shift there that last song versus the three four songs. But i wanted to do a nice little ninety. S set there for you finished off with madame oscar and they were covering Favorite of voodoo glow skulls songs of course band geek mafia coming off of a recent Seven inch release from a steady beat records before that we had The regulators making oasis a little bit more palatable That was their rendition of look back in anger prior to that we had mongo's hi fi with marina p that was a deep cut into smashing pumpkins and there are song. Soma coming off of the siamese dream album alma back from nineteen ninety-three the original song. So that if any smashing pumpkins fans out there There you go. And then starting us all off their the park rangers from japan that was their rendition of smells like teen spirit And then a side note. Of course if you've never heard Tori amos version of smells like teen spirit. Look it up. Take a listen It's super fun fantastic. So let's move on I've got an eighties set for you. Coming up here. Eighty songs in a scottish style thing going on because it's the easiest place to pull music from. It's lots of fun. It's really easy to give it up or give it a little. Wbz as you're going to hear or under the set so i wanted to start this off with a song from friends of the show. Stop the presses This is coming off of their first full length album money in the bank. This is edition of dead. Man's party right here on one hundred percents her stay down Knows dacians you see online news Me the here own ball park and drive but depots changing brench. Wow the so called on years my time. In that respect john three cocoon eggy sleep visit face and saw that some cain function See clinic full of cynics. Who wants to twist the people's wrists. They're watching every move. We make where all included on the list say. Stop the cowboys. I off when the swift gym up. See the faces of stuff. But i just cannot see to take advantage a need payback bam. Bam you album Too her Travel some them wong and welcome back. Welcome back from eighty s back to one hundred percent scar. That was the arabians doing their indication of the earth. mix In their song speed dreams are made of us better version then marilyn manson's i think Before that we had the specials doing a reinterpretation recover update. I guess Because of the song nature that was The song lunatics Originally done by fun boy. Three which was an offshoot of specials and contained several members of the specials. All back together for the album encore Which was released what. She's two three years ago. Geez man time is a flat circle all that fun stuff Good little fun thing there Before that we had capital twelve twelve or one to one to not sure how they prefer concept featuring earl sixteen With their indication of love will tear apart coming from happy people over in the uk and then starting off their behead local heroes stop the presses their intuition of demands party originally from wingo bongo and i liked that version because they shortened the song. It's also like a really version but they also shorten the song down to around like four naff minutes were the original is host to six minutes or may even more than six minutes and to be six minutes What else Before into next set. I guess now would be as good a time as any Depending on when you're listening to this episode I will be doing a Dj a livestream Set this saturday april seventeenth at nine pm eastern You can find the link to the event In the description of this episode Or you can check out the event information on facebook Under dj ryan midnight So if you need something to listen to Saturday night whether that's something for the background something to cockatoos to Something to get stoned to the dance to you. Know other fun stuff I am here for you. I'll be live streaming on twitch And find the link In the description So let's get back to some music because that's what we're all here for So we've been in the nineties. We've done the eighties. Naturally the seventies comes next. And so. I thought i would start this off with a little bit of scott punk or punk sky depending on how you think about this but from a different perspective. This is the saint petersburg scott jazz review with of anarchy in the uk. Right here on one hundred percents. Scott took okay report look Being good was to choose now. Doc yup the bill right off. Go sir took part Man uh Thanks paul Sick may some think. Karen a the uh third down wash man and comeback on stage waste. She loves me and see back. This is one hundred percent scott and you have been listening to our fantastic All covers episode back on covers with s. k. a. You just heard the new york. Scott jazz ensemble doing their of cecilia and The whole set there as sri probably was Was all seventy. I did have to verify that Cecilia was officially released in the seventies. And unless there was a single that missed beforehand the What is it. I think it's on Sound of silence was to technically released in april of nineteen seventy so. Just got that in there before that we had been skala bim with a brain damage covering Pink floyd there of course before that we had mighty mighty boss tunes doing tin soldier originally by a stiff little fingers. And i have to admit full confession because why not make a confessional in the middle of a podcast When i first heard That song. I first starting to listen to the boston's Don't know how to party album. I didn't know stiff little fingers yet. So i didn't realize that was a cover. I always loved that song even from the very beginning of really impressed by it. Just like lyrically of course like your fourteen fifteen like all right. You're starting to like question authority in question military and all that good fun stuff So definitely was speaking to me. And that i realized you went to song. They've been around since nineteen eighty so there you have And then starting us all off there. We had the saint petersburg scotch as review doing Anarchy in the uk of course originally by the sex pistols. Now we've been listening to so far. Mostly i've been released publicly. But the past fifteen twenty years. There's been stuff liberal for that. Most this is a pretty recent. But i wanted to to open up this last boss. Set here I wanted to go way way. Way back in time to nineteen sixty six in mexico and Actually just found this discovered the song essentially Listening to a recent competition that i picked up. And which is all focused on latin. Latino band's doing essentially scott covers recovers That were essentially released at the same time period. So basically bans Performers were taking songs that were essentially current and redoing them for their own audience for their for their own for the country and that is no exception here. this listening to is this is a carbon rivero e sue caputo. I'm sure messing that. Up my apologies. I think under spanish. I don't really know spanish And this is addition of Jamaica scott Released think less than two years after the original done by byron lee. So here we go last. This is jamaica scar right here. On one hundred percents guy. Dates took task multi player dot the first slow Committee off in game of the fans. me dot com always The back johnny early jamaican johnny go down. And i'm in deep wide goes back Download the free thing on my job joining many with early. Johnny go dot gov eddie jafar me. Why gotta johnny johnny dying thought on this is one hundred percents guy and you just heard the skunks way undermine i some before that we had the toasters with their rendition of johnny good in scott style. That was a renamed. Johnny go scott with a nice little New set of lyrics to go along with Before that we had arthur k and the clerks doing their indication of see crews and starting us all off there was a carmen rivero issue and that was their rendition of scott and with that the rumour gone. the show has done So thanks as always for listening always always always appreciate your Your listenership if you're newer to the episode to the show you can catch all the episodes on a dj ryan. Midnight dot com. You can subscribe to the show on pretty much any major podcast platform that is out there. it's pretty widely available. And of course. I always important to follow me on facebook Catch all of the newest updates from myself you can catch me at dj at midnight Or if you're just interested in the podcast There is a podcast dedicated page as well for that. Also as a side note If you like alcohol like your humble. Who's does i'm actually starting to build a new section of my website I'm starting to try to create or concoct New cocktails For new specifically for bands So basically taking the band name taking the band looking at the name looking at where. They're from looking at their style and trying to build a cocktail that i feel would be appropriate for the band. I've just got one recipe for now But to check it out. I'm sure i'll have more up leader Pretty soon and pretty much later. I've got a couple ideas in my head so keep an eye out for that. So that's pretty much it If you're listening if you're free Check again check me out As i do my livestream. This saturday april seventeenth. I'll be doing that. On twitch with the lonely adam records and that's about it so finish off the show here. I've got the northeast scott jazz orchestra with their massive almost seven minute long. Rendition of a caravan They have renamed it here Scriven of course as one does And that's pretty much it. Thanks for listening. Was a music. And we'll catch next time. Take it sties ball. The shines drive is Spray to dream along doc

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100% Ska Podcast S04E16  Bandcamp Friday Preview Spectacular

100% Ska Podcast

1:07:42 hr | Last week

100% Ska Podcast S04E16 Bandcamp Friday Preview Spectacular

"This is one hundred percent scott almost all vinyl all scott pseudo radio show with your host. Dj midnight spinning the finest songs from across the genre. Sorolla up the rug. Get ready to dance the beat up your good evening and welcome to one hundred percent ska. I'm your host. Dj ride midnight as always broadcasting from our secret location deep in the heart of jersey city. Coming to you tonight with a very special episode ahead of a band camp. Friday which is this may the seventh. I'm so hopefully we're listening either on the seventh of before that because may seventh which the first friday of the month is band camp friday and that means that All purchases made Through band camper going to go all the money goes directly to the band's band campus completely waving all of their fees Which is very admirable of them And we don't want to make sure that all the great bands that are on Van camp are getting some good notice. And you're hearing some good music and hopefully if you like which here He'll go and help. Support these bands So i'm gonna be tonight and listening to actually a lot of digital tracks. So i'm going to be just for tonight for going for the most part the The vital formatting here got a set of final little bit later on in the show but primarily. we're going to listening to digital digital tracks tonight because somebody's so many of these bands are really releasing digital tracks right now and there goes. I don't know random motorcycles. In the background there microphone it probably So that's new jersey for you and speaking of new jersey We're gonna be starting off the show here actually should say As part of this format change Just for tonight. What i wanted to do is basically just. I want to introduce dan to you. I'll give you a little bit about them. We're gonna listen to one song by that band. And then we'll do the whole thing again so kind of setting aside beef near the standard four song formatting Because i want to give each of these bands their due diligence and promotion. And then we'll listen to what some of their music so i hope you'll join me on this This little adventure And if you like what you hear again All these bands are would be so happy to have your support so start off the show. Here we are going to be listening to from my backyard in new jersey. This is gonna be the backyard. Superheroes with their new song music in my head What's really nice about. This release is that they're going to be doing donating all proceeds from band camp in may june to the as berry park. Lgbtq health center which is very admirable. I've already made my purchase them. Hopefully you will do the same and do that. On may seventh They also have a brand new shirt design as well so check that out too. So without further ado. Let's listen to a backyard. Superheroes this is music in my head right here on one hundred percent scale. Can't hear what you trying to say. No is trying to lung sound now. Wow i'm trying to say no one knows them brain cell so I can't think straight shut out for my own sake while the fortune what can come play. Why can't get along all right next up. What do we have for you next up. we've got. This is a band from out of los angeles This is actually one of those The collectives that have that have been kind of building up With the whole kobe situation were bands are kind of basically forming online This band is no exception. This is the scott core cartel though. Don't let don't let the name scare off too easily listening to tonight. Is there edition of ruby and the romantics. Our day will come. I'm sure you've heard both the original and some other versions of the song previously and so they're doing their own Indigenous and just like backyard superheroes All proceeds from this release are gonna be to be donated to the you for civil rights so again really great. 'cause it's a little bit of music feel good about yourself. It all works out so here we go. Let's listen to scott core cartel without able stay third Aims off. All right next. A for you i have. We are the union. They've got a brand new album out for preorder Both in digital form and As a full as oppressing The album is ordinary life the title track. We're going to be listening to as well tonight And the album as a whole is essentially a serving as the list and songwriter. Read walcott's Coming out as a transplant Which is really awesome. I've heard a few of the tracks off the album. So far really excited to hear The full album when it comes out which is going to be in early june. I i believe but for the truck listening to tonight. It's going to be coming off of the Recently recently released Scott against racism Album compilation. i should say and listen to it if you haven't already picked up the sky against racism competition which is basically digital only at this point There was an l. p. pressing of it but it's super limited so immediately What's really cool about the digital version of the compilation is that It's payment you want and all the proceeds from that from that compilation from the digital sales. I'm also being donated to a host of really great organizations including black lives matter so let's listen to ordinary life from. We are the union right here. On one hundred percent sky siga race in cal- a concrete and walk through the one thousand foot still with pick income displaced secret service. Welcome back that was. We are the union with ordinary life and from there. We go up to montreal canada for our next band here. this is the. Pm are scott collective Which essentially is made up of entirely Mcgill university Jess students They started off. Doing a essentially some covers of some of the other jamaican scott songs and then decided to start branching out and creating and writing their own music which it was a plot. So tonight we're gonna be listening to a their brand new single. It's not even out yet. it will release on a band camp friday the seventh. This is wrong. This is the way right here on one hundred percents cow a row with by every one side Pity waited. You dog stormy things will say a Been and from montreal. We're going to be hitting all the way down to win. This area's argentina for this new band. Which is a new discovery for me. i i'm really hearing this ban this week and i thought i really had to share this with you because i think you're all going to really like this as well This is a kato. Skop which is their song blah blah and it's going to feature neville staple and sugary staple on some of vocalists. So check the song out that you're really like it does back taxes getting kicked. I'm amy format dawn on mccoy. Now why don't make all night. Bowker smith said the widow on the wet only center. I control by the gaining. Get back the dialogue. No better stock gets maybe started getting more. That samuel staff talk talk only more chat. Shot too much everything. Yeah you on the over and you said at one minute. Walk to take off japan china two years. Get no matter tony. Alabama name jazz and for our next song here coming back to the goal. us All the way to indianapolis indiana This is the band. The operators I've played some of their music before the show was i picked up a one. They're like super limited edition like cut five inches which is really cool to just kind of holding seat because it's a tiny but they've got a new digital release out now. This is the song new place. Make sure you walk in the moon. Black gumbo voice win shot by insomniacs background. And we're a were and from indianapolis we're going head just a little bit north to minneapolis for neck song here but you have to promise me really really promised me that Even though you listen to the song here you're gonna go to there being camp page and you're going to listen to the song as well and you're gonna watch them perform the song i in their Take three live series This is price fighters This is going to be a. This is a brand new Cover song Coming from them They're covering a tree lopez. The song is what have i got of my own. And this is going to be available as part of an entire Live album that. They're releasing in combination with their take three video series which they've been publishing on their youtube and facebook pages on these last weeks So listen to the song year but then go listen to it on band camp. Watch the youtube You got to promise me. this promised. Great let's listen to this. And have i got my own my own my own. Yes then stand. Working in thailand andrea in ghana john mccain. What have. I got my own my own whenever i my mom john and the head chef avenue go yup wouldn't have go think all right up next here is it's not going to be exactly scott and you'll just bear with me here This is gonna be a cat bite. You've heard several of the songs on the podcast before you're a long-time listener Interview the band They're out of philly. Pa and what they've done is they took their entire first album And they gave it the yeehaw treatment. Once you hear the song you can know exactly what you mean by that but it's so fun. Enter a great band. I had to play this for them. They've got some other stuff on bank campus. Really check out. Check out everything that they have. And i think they've got a second lp In the works as well so we've got to keep an eye out for that So with that this is cat bite off of their re recorded album that they're referring to as cat white. The song here is come on baby. These kids come on come on slash when the took off have some. I gotta say something gas say. Something doesn't matter what you say a lack in my bed. I'm trying to talk to you. Don't coma coma. Have some common song grandma baby. Let's have some fun song. Alabama and now. We had over to belfast northern ireland And this is the band boss. Sound manifesto They put out a new album Last year Called the boss sound It was actually voted Sky album of the year on ray reggae. Study scott dot com. So you know it's gonna be good This song here is never give up. let's take a listen. Learn only been drop and all right next up here for you. i've got phoenix. City allstars They've done a lot of really great stuff Both originals and covers an actually a couple Entirely cover concept albums and we're going to attract off of one of those in just a moment. The album is scott faction which is all rolling stones songs in a very fun sometimes skies sometimes moradi roxy Interpretation all this really great but The one that really stood out for me here is painted black. So we're going to listening to that if you're here in the united states the label that they often put out their stuff with happy people just launched a stateside imprint tired of paying a lot of expensive imports For expensive imports and paying all of the shipping nagging. Get those in america This the scottish faction is gonna be getting a repressing here on that imprint. It's going to be out Later this year. So you can preorder that if you want the lp or there's going to be a digital release of that already out right now so if you went that instant gratification You can get right this moment So let's listen to phoenix city. All stars with their rendition of painted. Black lewis. let's go talk food. Shops souls still again scott long all right and next up for you. I've got rude city riot. This here is see how nice little happy number. Let's take a listen. Ron my head on dead. Do rent added expense. Break my bones. Green beans made ten based on this draw. The now joel talk enough. Funds stunned spas for them on able need. Look down on baugh. Thoughts that monkeys in new Again a few see and you're listening to one hundred percents ago So of course. I've got gotta finish off the show here with a nice full vinyl set for you we're gonna be revisiting. A few of the band probably heard more recently On the show But all these bands have new releases out there available on band camp. I've got to give them a little bit more. Love here so we're going to listen to some music We're going to start off with The tollways This is the song About hearsay right here on one hundred percent skoll plan anew when abbas Look down river i'm Then asd george daddy to in last sitting at it hang detain down on me. Detained lack lab owns. Also thank you. Aw aw aw June and welcome back. This is one hundred percent. Scott and you just heard a surge and the scots That is their song. Covid nineteen special Coming out on a forty five that they released over in their from and released the song over in special. Ed really really cool stuff Clearly wears their skylights influence Right there on their on their sleeve but super super cool before that we had georgetown orbits That was their intention of hang on sloppy. That comes off of their brand new forty-five and Digital single of release for stay strong before that we had the free coasters with a deliver That is off their newest album And prior to that and starting to set off there was the elway's with bouchier sensing well coming off of their brand new album out of cosmos and with that we've come to the end of our band camp friday scott preview spectacular episode. I call it So i hope you've enjoyed listening. Hope you've maybe heard some music that you haven't heard before some bands you haven't heard before i and again if you like what you heard Go over and and Support some of these bands All these digital releases so they're super cheap But it's band camp friday so all the proceeds are going to go direct to the artist Which is amazing But we've got one other a brand new release coming out on may seventh which is not on band camp But instead it's coming out on hell cat records And that is the brand new mighty money boston's album When god was a great And so we're going to listen to one of the Preview singles released ahead of the album. Release this is a song killing georgiy part three right here on one hundred percent scott. Thanks for listening Check me out on tj right. Midday dot com. Check out the ryen midnight on facebook one hundred percent scar on facebook. And if you haven't already subscribed go and subscribe. Because i know you're going to be back with that. 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Madrid, Spain

Miles Away

16:42 min | 1 year ago

Madrid, Spain

"<music> welcome back to miles away today. We have learned zeno. Who's actually been t- longer than i have so. I've been here a little over four years. When did you start with larry. Since the beginning the beginning when original and now you are a senior writer so <hes> welcome to the podcast you live in spain. They live in madrid. I've been there for eleven in years eleven years row. So what brought you to live in madrid the very beginning in eleven years ago why studied abroad there. That's when i met brian and i was living in new york and i was working and i just was so attracted to the culture and the food and the people and i just felt love and i couldn't wait to go back so i finally did and i never left. Did you set out to move there or your vacation in your car. I'm not i'm never gonna leave. Why originally went to do a master's degree which was supposed to be a one year program eleven years later here i am so i've been to barcelona many times myself at least a dozen times. I think i've actually been to spain but i've only connected in madrid. I've never actually stayed in the city and so you're giving me. Some looks like it's definitely overdo. A lot of people told me that a lot of people say oh. I've been to barcelona. It's kind of like saying i'm from the u._s. And someone says oh. I've been to new york and don't get me wrong. I love new york but it's not completely representative of the entire united states and barcelona is a great city but madrid is is really the soul of spain in my opinion so mayo madrid why do you. I love the city so much okay well bursa lona for example. It's a great place and they have some really amazing architecture and you have the beach. Madrid is doesn't have maybe all of those huge famous landmarks that you might find in barcelona like the sagrada familia but the whole city is is like a landmark. It's so authentic. It's so spanish. It has such a vibe. I been on beyonce everyone there. The local just loved life. They're always out walking around kids older people. Everyone is out all the time in the plaza ause the squares. It's just it's got such a nice energy. Is it a very walkable city. I always call it a small village. Even though it's a capital city it's also easy to get around the city centre on foot foot. It's very doable. Where do you live in madrid. I live in an area called barrio salamanca. It's known for shopping so if you're shopper you want to borrow salamanca for all the big boutiques and some some of the cooler small spots. How would you spend three days in the city. You know if you're going for a long weekend. What would you say are the you know. The must do's must eats wearing the city. Would you focus your efforts. Definitely check out the retiro park which is kind of madrid's version of central park but quite a bit smaller spoonful lots of monuments and fountains. It's a really nice place as to hang out be ready to walk arounds. It's a walkable city so bring your gym shoes and mala sonya chico's. A great neighborhood for restaurants can walk around. Even though they less late they have poems on the street. It's really there's a local neighborhoods. You can check out if you love art. The city has amazing art the they call it the golden triangle of art museums. They have the pro. The rain is so fiu and the thiessen and all three are fantastic so if you love art you're in the right place. There's a lot of other smaller smaller museums. The sorolla museum is really impressive. It's kind of a hidden gem. I think that a lot of other people don't know about and eat and drink. It's one of the greatest cities in the world for food so you can spend a whole day or two days or as long as you want just hopping from bar having top as having tinto vidana which is not sangria. It's better than sangria korea housing but you shouldn't drink it ca- sangria the kind of throw in whatever they want but team delano is always the same thing it's red wine mixed with fanta lemon lemon drink or cassette which is kind of like sprite but way better what is the food is similar to barcelona. I mean the favorite dishes well. I think the best thing to do if you want to sample food is to check out some of the food markets so everybody knows about the more touristy <hes> san send me l. market but there's markets all over the city from really chic cool ones like plat day <hes> they have really gourmet tapas and different seafood and and she's bars and different things you can try all sorts of food or you can go low brow to some of these more local markets and just get a slab of meat on a slab of bread which i know doesn't doesn't sound so appetizing but some of the most things very fresh too right. I mean back you were shopping for. You know same day to cook at home. They're going to the market every day to buy ingredients. Everyone if you're low carb. It's the city for you. Everyone loves bread there but everyone's thin so whatever they're doing working talking oh tons yeah but you should definitely try one of the most famous kind of quick dishes majorities. The book says it's like <hes> seafood sandwich. I guess with fried fried calamari on a baguette. I mean obviously you're you're eating late in so you're probably getting started pretty lead to. I've had dinner last till two a._m. And that's perfect because that's all the clubs open but you know it's funny. Everyone goes out for a drink after dinner. It's called getting a copa. You get a drink after dinner everybody does it doesn't matter how old or young you are. Everyone goes out for a drink after dinner. Just just what you do so a lot of bars are open till three or four a._m. Clubs open to three a._m. I mean the open a little bit earlier. Known actually goes until later so if you're ready to party madrid is your man raw east coast time but then i can do and rooftop bar is you should plan to go to a rooftop bar. They have a lot of new ones imagery at a lot of them are on hotels so the best one in the city of a really the most amazing views is on top of the cerullo. They base aren't they. It's like an art center and it costs four years to go up and the incredible. It's really worth the money that it costs to go up and another one. I really liked the views from the highest centric rooftop up. It's a good one or the deer. Hotel has a great. We were seeing very on brand. I appreciate right like i knew you would want to hear about the high at one speaking of money those his madrid inexpensive city. Do you have to budget quite a bit for your meals and drinks or is it all pretty affordable. I go out on a limb and say i think it's one of the cheapest european capitals capitals at least western european capitals. Possibly lisbon can compete with lisbon but it's incredibly cheap especially you guys are here in new york. Are you can probably have a full dinner. Drink pairings and then go out and spend less than just stay. Dry me on your typically for dinner out. I won't spend more than twenty. Five or thirty. Euros drinks included. That's like an average bridge. You know but you don't have to spend a lot have a really nice dinner in madrid and lunch menus go for the menu leah. It's the daily lunch menus. You'll see them on chalkboards outside so they typically include. You'd your choice of they'll give you a before appetizers and you pick one a couple main courses and you pick one to also include dessert or coffee and a drink which can be wine beer our water whatever you want but they're usually anywhere from ten to fifteen euros but that's what you pay for a glass of wine in new york so easily. I know you're super madrid buff which i appreciate your show me around income but say you have more than three days and you wanna see a little bit more of spain are there are there are a lot of day-trip options can. Can you still stay in madrid and some of the country. Oh absolutely there's segovia house nearby. They have a really famous roman ecuador. They have a castle that looks like the cinderella castle at disneyworld a beautiful cathedral. There's also tornado which is known for art and it's kind of hilly and cobblestone streets. You've you've got avi law which is a medieval walled city. There's tons of places you can pop over and you need a rental car can usually trains trains everywhere. You've got buses. Trains is our good. You can always rent a car but i think it's kinda. Scary sometimes drive in europe. It's pretty clear why you have not come back so we need to take a quick break and when we come back from the break we're gonna dig into place end miles options for your trip to madrid off. I've actually connected in madrid quite a few times even though i've never been to the city because it's the hub for iberia right right. Have you been all terminals terminal new terminal which his new when i went in college so it's probably not very new. It was very impressive. It was it was impressive at the time. It was definitely the nicest term allied been through and huge huge huge terminal. I remember walking endless walking on arrival and then getting gate when i was leaving to so which terminals that all right so terminal four is the newish terminal manohla you mentioned and it actually has two parts. There's a satellite terminal and then you have the regular partners little train that takes you between the two so that's the one world terminal and then the other three terminals channels terminals one through three are another area about ten minutes away by bus or car from terminal four so if you're safe flying into madrid on a berea and then you're connecting according to say ryan air or air europa air france or something like that you're going to have to take the bus i guess he could get a taxi but there is a bus that goes to all the terminals to get to the other three and then you can walk between those okay yeah. No i was definitely i was connecting to. I think it was another iberia flight on both trips through through madrid so it was very easy to do so. Maybe not the best hub to pick. If you're connecting to another airline. Why would you skip madrid. Take a ryanair flight out. So you know baloney we are since you're buying multiple tickets. Anyway you might as well pop into stop over there and madrid is like. I said it's a cheap city. It's really easy to get to the city centre from the airport. Can can you take a train. Just just from you know many ways you can take the metro. It's about forty five minutes. I mean depending on where you wanna go. There's airport buses that leave from different places around the the city wants twenty four hours. You can take the train system which is different from the metro. It's only about twenty to thirty euros in an uber and it's a flat fixed rate from the airport to anywhere in the city centre for thirty euros in a taxi and it's only about twenty minutes. Maybe less if there's no traffic so it's really easy you finally will cost carriers as well but see on area quite a bit every time you come to the states or are you flying not always i. I do sometimes american but you actually have a ton of different choices aces from the u._s. United flies there delta american and then obviously iberia and then if you want to change norwegian you have a ton of different carriers. If you wanna be changing being around europe. It's very very very well connected very easy to get. There actually has some very good redemption rates if i recall especially if you're going off peak they do and they're flying their new a three fifty now from chicago which is exciting on ice or have you been on board yet i have i've reviewed business class. I've reviewed premium economy and n._j._i._t. Gender has reviewed economy okay. I think i got the better choice for how housing biz it's nice. It's you know i b area. They're not my favorite airline but it's the most convenient really if you're living in spain. They do have some great redemption rates as you mentioned you can get their off peak for thirty four four thousand obvious one way from chicago and that's business business costs which is really a great redemption if you consider that's a long flight yeah it is it is i mean especially coming on the <hes> the westbound leg. I mean it's seven and a half hours more. I mean it was almost almost nine. I think sometimes if the the winds are strong enough time to really enjoy it right thirty four thousand obviously not bad the interesting thing about iberia's off peak calendar but you can find online is that it's really different. Maybe from the peak times for say american they they're working with spanish time so july and august are when most spanish people go on vacation and and so those are all peak times but there's a lot of holidays in the u._s. That you might be able to to get off peak like around thanksgiving. Most of october second half of september timber is considered off peak lot of november on thanksgiving too so you have a lot of options to get those off peak counters but more around people leaving spain than coming to visit exac- so it really benefits a u._s. Traveler that has different times when school lets out what i really love that i can transfer my chase and my amex points to iberia as well which makes it really easy to get a bank going there. Let's talk a little bit about <hes> the hotels. I know that you live in madrid so you're not staying at the hotels but when friends come to visit what recommendations nations you have for them mature having a moment with hotels right now actually if you wanna use your points you're in luck. There are so so many points properties in the city around the the city outside of the city that you can stay in one of the most popular ones is the westin palace. It's a bond boy. That's fifty k. per night for redemption and they just renovated. It and we have a review out on the site. If you wanna check it out another bond voi- option is the sun dome mountain another option but boy or we could in spanish accent. It would be the one boy since we are talking about spain so <hes> the central morrow. It's an autograph collection property. It's also fifty eight points. We have a review up. If you want to check it out it is an old palace and it's a really beautiful property. It's very exquisite is the western palace in old palaces well. I believe so actually so so to palace bon voyage. A lot of a lot of buildings and spain are are old palaces actually so hotels. There's a lot actually that are that are in old palace buildings but oh how would you say world of high in spanish at moon though they got higher. Take a couple of other centric which i love that rooftop. It's only twenty thousand points per night height. Centric properties are focused on kind of getting into the local vibe so they have big fans like spanish fans that used to cool off. That's another way to beat the heat. You have to have one of those hand-held wouldn't spanish fans you just carry it around with you in in yourself over time especially on the subway you'll see like lots of people doing that or sometimes to block the sun like hold it in front of your face while you walk you wanna look very spanish that on the often mentioned mentioned just opened a new hotel there. It's twenty five k. bunt voi- twenty-five keep changing just going through all sorts of pronunciations and then come come next year. We're going to have a few more one option right so like when i said mature does having a moment with hotels i was it's real. The w madrid is opening in two thousand twenty. There's a brand new four seasons that has been under construction forever. It's going to be opening twenty twenty and it looks really stunning. I cannot wait to check it. The twenty or i'll come. I'll come this year and then our visit again in twenty twenty. We'll check out some hotels. You're enough to come a few times because the ritz carlton renovation will be complete also so you're not to check that out. You'd mentioned hostels but it sounds like they're pretty nice right. I mean madrid has a little bit of everything and it's an affordable city. So if you're going there and you don't have points or you want to save save them for a junction that you feel better one. You can usually get a cool boutique hotel or boutique hostel for a decent price airbnb or there are a lot of b._n._b. Although the city is starting to regulate them a little bit you can still find a lot and i find that the me brands. It's a spanish brand. They have some properties around the city. The roommate hotels kind of cool so you're not going to be stuck with a stranger at the roommate no they don't come with the roommate. I guess you can bring your or not well. I i'm. I'm very sorry for monterey. Thank you so much for joining us here in new york laurie how people follow with your adventures on social media. I'm on instagram at laurie underscored zeno. We'll save travels. Thanks so much for joining us thank you. That's it for this episode of miles away. Thanks again onto lorries ainhoa again. I'm your host zack owning. This episode was produced by margaret kelly and caroline sharing. Our music is by alex shift. If have you been enjoying miles away so far. Please subscribe rate and of you and apple podcast spotify or wherever you listen this is cast recommends every week. We pick one of our favorite shows and this is one. We think you're gonna gonna love high stakes pool which jackpot gps slow cars remarkable racers the vehicles we left behind the ones that are changing shing lives and so much more in the brand new season of tempest. 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Gender Roles In Society - Episode 49

Magnetic Mismatch

39:53 min | 3 months ago

Gender Roles In Society - Episode 49

"I'm not known as the person to cook great. And it's funny 'cause like i had some some of my friends and co-workers kind of joking like oh you will once you start once you get married or once you have. Kids is kinda like it was expected of me right and for some reason i just felt like. That's that sorolla had to take on. I think it's because that's what society tells us is a is the role of a woman. And you wanna be a good wife to your spouse right. Which is that means. You're supposed to take care of them. One way to take care of them is by cooking and providing a meal for cleaning. And you know and it's a neutral activity just because you're guy in you cook doesn't make you any less of a man. Yeah but for some reason in our head like when we associate assert activity. There's like a gender tied to it and if it's not what we expected to be. We think less of that person for some reason. Hi welcome to the magnetic mismatch. Shell this is linda and this is will and before you do anything else. Make sure to follow us on our instagram. Page at magnetic mismatch and also to subscribe to our podcasts. You know 'cause it's amazing you're amazing so subscribe. Did you like that. Got gotta plug our show you know but a man. We're still laughing because this is our what fifteenth take. Because i can't control. They can't stop laughing so funny it happens should just create a blooper. Reel man just had too much caffeine seriously as soon as you were drinking your caffeine you have coffee and now you have a boba and it's just like okay to hyper those pretty funny though. Maybe i'll have the energy to watch bowling empire along. Yes hurry you're like i was been so we've been. I've been trying to convince her to watch this new show. It's really good. It's better than i thought. Actually i'll i'll admit i was a little skeptical at first. Because it's trashy tv ryan's oh god is one of these shows you know. It's kinda like they. They frame it as the like kardashian. Show right except with asians. Like it's like a spin off of crazy rich asians and on the god but then i give it a chance i watched and i was like dance is actually pretty good not grammy award winning or anything like not grammy award. Oscar winds music oscar. The movie oscars when you're right. He's his don't listen to us. We'll our expertise but anyways. Yeah so get on that show because you know even our hangouts right. We did a hang out this weekend with a couple of friends and zoom hangout. Zooming out to be clear. Jump on us So we had to zoom. Hang out this weekend and you know they had to tip. It'll around talking about that show because they don't want to ruin it for me and i felt little by everybody else watched the show and there. We wanted to talk about it and we couldn't because you didn't watch yet alice the only one and you didn't feel bad now why i don't think i'm gonna watch it a whole rebel. Why even offered her. I'll watch the series with you. Only i just watch a really good show though. Which is richardson. because you've been watching a lotta shows. Yes that is a really good show and you pronounce it incorrectly. It's breach atten- dude. Are you k- listeners. Are probably like don't ever do that again. Well we'll see. They've having just like turns. Out unsubscribe so you know that's a that's actually surprisingly really good show like that's not the type of show. I normally watch. But i saw it on netflix as top show and i was like oh this looks interesting. Why why is it. So popular watched the first episode. Oh okay this is good so the the one thing. If you don't know will love watching movies and tv shows so some would call me a Hop aqap senior of pop culture. Right and tv shows in. Yeah there's always people are like have you seen the sean like. Yeah i already did. And i thought blah blah blah blah and. Oh my god yeah. what do you do all day. Alex a convincing will make up. They tiktok videos. Unlike the shows and like i'll manage your your channel Interesting but why do you bring up the show. What's what's so cool. A or why are you bringing a bridgeton okay. So i was watching that show. I just find it highly interesting. Thank just because we were laughing. I was laughing at that show. And telling you that. Oh my god i wouldn't. I wouldn't survive that era. Yeah so if you don't know the show let me just take it back just to give you a little blurb on what it's about so you can better understand but without going into too much detail so because it relates our topic today and i don't want to ruin the show for you but it's basically taking place during the regency era right. Yes in the eighteen. Hundreds in london in london right and these are high society. People think he's up. T- time and pete pinches think extravagant balls and when they throw these balls it's basically like A debut party for these debutantes who are women at the age that their quote unquote ready to get married off right and so so the whole point of throwing these like this giant party or ball and everybody gets dolled up and like fancy gowns and had tons of good food and all that right is basically according event is showing them off right. Yeah showing them off and do the guys are. They're they're trying to get to know each other right. And they're trying to get Basically courted by a guy saw. So they're like flaunting the girl. She's flaunting her stuff to try to attract a eligible bachelor. Oh this is old school bachelor then like non trashy bachelorette in this case but the very sophisticated rate and the goal is to get married into good family so this sort pressure man and your reputation means everything in this society so the if you marry into a good family that means that you're you're the yeah you're number one set financially in you're taking care of to the also uplift your family's reputation it's a it's it's one of those and if you you marry wrong or if you tarnish the family's reputation it doesn't just affect you. It affects your entire family. And your all your siblings. Who so. there's a lot of pressure in a to get it right and dam in these. These are sixteen years old right. Like that's a lot of pressure has russia. End a in the show. You can see there's this character. Her name is l. louise Her sister is daphne which is like the the main character of the season and her sister is like the ultimate debutante right. She's she's perfect she. She's a chaz manner. She sociologist allegations befall march. She's beautiful she. She knows how to play this game right and then you have the sister. Louisa like tomboys top a screaming down the hall for sister she. She doesn't share her snags. She should questions she questions. The society like why. I have to It'll just just to marry a guy to take care of me. She questions that and she also questioned. Why can't be the one you know going to college right why. Why can't i be the one who who starts a business right and the only in the society was so linear that even if her opinion get out that could mean at like that could completely tarnish her reputation right because it's so against the grain and especially in that era during that time the expectation of a woman right like their role in society is to get married into a household and children. Yeah bear children for the family. And if there is anything beyond that that's outside of the norm. That's taboo right. No you get tested. Get shunned probably right. Yeah and her role is always to make the husband. Look good and she's happy. Yeah she's always taking a second to that. That's the premise of the show. In kind of showed and highlighted. I think how black and white women and men were treated. What their roles were expected to be in society. And even though this was like in the eighteen hundreds i think. What's surprising is that weren't twenty twenty one and i still feel like there's a lot of gender roles today's society we've gotten better right but i still feel like it's still. There can not the logical thing to think about for generals or any role right or you hope for any role is based on merit right and even on this show One of the families the richardson. The main family The father actually passed away right logically. You would think it's the mom that's gonna take over and run the household because she's the most experienced right but instead it's sudden her son who has no idea what he's doing and he plays so much into this general and i think that it's his obligation to make all the decisions even though he doesn't know what he's doing and he he completely discounts the mom's opinion even though she knows more than him and he could use her hull exactly. But no. but it's it's in this society woman didn't even have a voice on worth so the fact that he discounted her up her her inputs. It almost put the the family endanger I'm not gonna go into too much. I'm not as but yeah. He put the family in danger because he didn't take her by actions of his actions. And there's another situation where the guy was the head of the head of the household. He takes care of all their finances. He was gambling away all their money and the wife had no idea but when she found out she was questioning him and he completely discounted her concerns her like there. She brought up some good points. She just wanted to know k. Like are we okay. And that's totally like affects her johnny. Yeah and the kids and everybody everybody in the household including their workers that live in their household all depend on this one person the head of the household usually is the man and he's in charge of all of that the future of this estate. Yeah and you know because of his gambling habits and certain things he got into he he actually got killed and now the family after his passing their face with having no money and they're obscene. They're on their own and in this world is not like she could remarry. She didn't have any skills because women didn't get to go to college and it's like even though they didn't show it but i'm concerned for their future right and that's that's crazy because all of that rest your future rests on somebody else and you in this case. You have no idea what they're doing with the finances or any of that stuff but you can't ask questions you can't get involved because that's not your role. Yeah women don't don't even have a voice. You can't even ask about that stuff. Yeah but we do recognize. That's like an extreme case right but bringing it back To today's society things have changed. You know women are. There's a lot of women that are educated business Business owners protectors but then for some reason these generals i still feel like they play a huge part in our society still. Yeah because i think like traditionally when you think of a woman right what were they expected. What are some traditional roles of women. They're supposed to not work right number one. They're supposed to only have kids right. They're supposed to take care of the kid. Take care of the kids. Do feminine things lever that yeah doing the laundry cooking that kind of stuff right. Because the matter the household wouldn't have to do all. His job was to bring home to bring home the bacon right to two bedouin bread. Be the breadwinner. D the one to work. Be the one to be the has a career and when he comes home the wife her job it was to make sure he's taking care of he doesn't have to lift a finger when he's home because he already worked. Yeah right so those were the traditional roles and we fast forward to today where you were getting too was. How did things change. Yeah so you know in today's society right. There's women are working and sore the men so the frustration comes from. It's like wait a minute. Why do i have to do the cooking. And cleaning when he's just sitting there sipping on his scotch. Is that a jab at me. No it's not a job that you but you know. That's that's where some of our arguments stem from in the beginning of our marriage. We've talked about it before and it's not a surprise it's an it's like you know as educated as i am and you know a strong woman working women. I don't know why it what made me feel like a had to take on these quote unquote feminine jobs in the house. So let's just backtrack a little. So when i was living before will in nyc. Mary i hardly ever did any cooking oil. Because you know hadn't parents for that. My parents were so lucky so lucky. And then the they're very nurturing you know my parents They did the dishes. A lot of i helped too. But you know if they knew that i was tired would do it because They were slowing down in their their career by the time towards the end So i was used to getting spoilt but then suddenly we got married. We moved into this apartment. I don't know why we're going to me. I just felt like i had to do all the cooking and cleaning. And that's when i got overwhelmed and i need to defend myself here. I never asked you to do know in fairness will never asked me to do any good. I didn't expect it either. I really didn't prior like you said before we got married. We didn't live together. I living on my own. I was making my own meals. I was cooking dinner and stuff. Like idea your cleaning. And and so i remember. I don't know if you remember this. But i remember that you started making dinner. I think it was the first week we were here that we moved into the new place and i was like. Oh sweeter for us as like. I didn't say it right by thinking it. And i'm a cool. I'm going to go and you know. I can't What had happened. Was i offered to help you but you snap that me. You like. get away. You're just you're just getting in the way because you have your own methodology. Yeah it's because It might defense glenham cooking. It's like very efficient as i. You know i m slowing you down. I can't have him in the way. Because i'm like that's your slowing. It's hard you're right. You're right to having to people in the kitchen and if you're not usually cook together you're not like our kitchen is huge either so in my head. I'm like i just need to get through this tusk. Great rights. you're you're slowing me down. So now i feel like i have more work so i went to scotch. Okay like on the side watching a damn netflix show. Yeah and then and then after week of this. Frustration started up just now but what. What made you feel like. That's what you need to do because usually when you got home late from work right and and when you got home you start cooking. What made you feel like you had to do that. I really don't know i felt want. Did you wanna do that or was it. Just a part of me felt like i was obligated to do that for some reason a wife. Yeah that's crazy. Unlike unlike was it. Maybe because like that. Like that in your in your household growing up like with your parents no actually. My dad did most of the cooking. Right so i don't know why in my head i kind kinda do know why because talking to eat them when people because a people know me. I'm not known as the person to cook right. And it's funny 'cause like i had some some of my friends and coworkers kinda joking like all you will once you start once you get married or once you have kids. It's kind of like it was expected of me right and for some reason i just felt like that's rula had to take on. I think it's because that's what society tells us is. The is the role of a woman. Right where the wife of a good wife and you wanna be a good wife to your spouse right which is that means. You're supposed to take care of him in one way to take care of them is by cooking and providing a meal for cleaning and you end but that means that see. That's the thing right. Who said cooking is supposed to be specific to a gender meaning it. it's a neutral activity route. Just because you're a guy you cook doesn't make you any less of a man but for some reason in our head like when we associate a certain activity there is like a gender tied to it. And if it's not what we expected to be we think less of that person for some reason like in your case if i feel like this is my perspective. Seeing what you're talking about maybe for us like a part of was if i'm not cooking. i'm less feminine. Would you say that's true. Or no or am i jumping. You know what a part of me. I think it's subconscious. A part of me also didn't wanna get judged by other females ones. That were telling me you're gonna start cooking inclining or i didn't want to be like actually role. Does that for us. We love that for us and you know what if he doesn't work in a star or images door dash micoud or or i'm gonna get take takeout. Actually i've made it a point to go pick it up because you know to help the rush so not gonna. I took back the door dash or out. Go to the up some food. But then it's like. I feel that judgment or when i talk about it. It's like oh what are you guys today. I'm ado take out. Or i'm order extra food for us tonight sir. Some people might judge as you're not you're not a good wife or your own. Imagine if we had kids like why aren't you cooking. Yeah instead of like exactly end know and and it's funny because like when they talk about this to eating guys right and if i tell them oh they're like they're like like towards the end of the day sometimes even some of my coworkers are like also. What are you cooking tonight. Or what are you guys eating. Oh i'm doing take out there like you're not gonna cook anything. I just felt like this pressure to have to live up to whatever society standard of of being a wife. a woman is and even though. That wasn't me. I felt like that's what i had to deal interesting. But that's also where like you were saying you did that for like a week. It clearly was not you know because you exploded and i got yelled at for not helping. With some of the household activities that are traditionally again. I don't wanna offend anybody. Right but traditionally in societal standards meant to be done by women. The the that's that's the power of these generals in society even though it sometimes it makes no sense certain cases. It doesn't make sense is why why does it make sense for me. Well you have to be the ones sweeping because you're a female like way it's eight o'clock nine o'clock why starting to cook meals now and we out of love it doesn't make any sense but then yet we feel like we have to conform to to these norms because it's so powerful and yet you don't like we talk about Generals like extreme generals happening in the eighteen. Hundreds where in twenty twenty one and yet is still has such great patents in today's society. But do you think that that's society or do you think that's biological. I guess you can say here in argue that it's both but in my defense. Is that if you look at animals right. Animals were so animals. yeah but like certain groups of animals right. It's like the father is the one that takes care of the child. Or you have female hunters or you have female protectors you know like like let's say Like lions martin s.'s. Exactly you would not want to mess with a cook or like a bear mama bear. Yeah they will attack. He'll right whereas the as as a female you would think all supposed to be like nurturing gentle and which they are. I'm not saying they're not right but they're like the role in the animal. Kingdom is they will rip your face off if you mess with one of their cubs basically. Yeah or like. There's there's animals where they don't need the mail like the black widow. She'll eat her show. Eat the the nail after she gives birth or something. That's what happens in the same thing with like the mantis. The charged praying mantis. Maybe maybe that's the one you're thinking of another black widow to also got its name it's a widow you know. So it's it's kinda like you can argue all it's ingrained into us but winner but that's not true because if you look at all these different animals in the kingdom like they have different roles in every tribe or groups or 'cause i i was gonna say that like for me again i don't know if this is just what i learned through watching my parents because i think my parents were did have more traditional like household Roles you know. My dad was the main breadwinner. My mom she actually also worked but she also was expected right to provide cook the meals at home to take care of the household as well And all that stuff. so maybe. That's something that i learned from growing up in a household like that And society and media. And all that stuff where i as a male feel like. I'm supposed to write supposed to be the protector. Supposed to be the provider for the family. And that doesn't mean that you as my spouse can't take on those roles. I think for me though is just i would feel weird if i didn't take on if i didn't put on those hats If i didn't have that Title within the family you know like like for example if we were in a situation where let's say i could no longer work. God forbid right. And i can't bring money into the household But now i'm in a situation where i have to take care of the house at home I think initially. I'd have a hard time leader. Might eagle would be hurt. I think a part of it apart of my ego would be her. I'm just being honest. You know like how. I think i might feel And i'd probably feel like a little emasculated. Maybe but again like why. Why should i feel if like. I'm the one maybe changing the diapers taking care of the kids at home or whatever you know. We don't have kids yet. But i'm just saying like if we did have kids in on like all right. Why can't go work. So i'm gonna take care of all the household stuff you know but see. That's that's that's the part that kind of bothers me right. Is that when. I look at a situation like that. It's like why do we. Why does society judge. Or or i would dare to say. Sometimes you look down on a stay at home dad right. It's like it's like wait. Why can't he work like why. Why can you go into the workforce. Like why does she have to go into the workforce but when you really break down the nature of a stay at home dad or stay at home mom or will i guess less of a stay at home mom because if if you tell someone on a stay at home mom there's no question about it it's like. Oh oh that's cool that's cool. You know i'm glad your husband or your your significant other or whoever can take care of you so you can stay home but wouldn't suddenly when the role gets reverse and the guys like. I'm a stay at home dad. It's like wait. why why. why are you. Are you not good enough. To be in the workforce i people. You're right you're right there. There could be gossip. Bright people will your natural instinct is like what's wrong right or wise. He blink yes as they start making assumptions or judgments about like maybe even his masculinity right or You know they think less of him because he made end. It's maybe it could be complete decision between the two spouses that you know it makes more sense for for us for you to stay home and for me to go to work. Or maybe. maybe he's he's taking on the role of a stay at home dad because he enjoys it because he enjoys it or he wants to give his wife or his significant other a chance to continue to refine her skills right. because because she's supportive spouse except when you step away from the the workforce. It's really hard to reenter that workforce especially you have a gap in employment history ryan. He understands that maybe. And or maybe they're switching off. But that's what i'm saying though like society will look at that situation. I'm not saying everybody right will grounded that way and it's not right. It's not right it. But i think we're getting better. It's becoming more acceptable for for example in that case for stay at home dads or it's a role reversal right where But i'm just saying like i. I know that the initial reaction is not a positive. Yeah right if somebody sees that. How did we should be wire that rate because there is monetary value for him to stay at home. Because they don't have to spend money on a nanny. Serve you breakdown. How much you know private nanny would cost right a person who stays at home. Do the cooking cleaning cooking a lot of jobs. Actually all in one taking taking the kids to school to activities to this too that right. That's that's almost like a like a private nanny a chef A lot of things combined. And there's it's a huge monetary value there. Yeah and it doesn't make him any less of a man absolutely. I'm just saying that's the truth right. It doesn't make him less of meant in some places might argue makes him more of a man the fact that he's helping because he's willing to see this is gonna be for the benefit of the family. It's not about my own ego right. it's i don't care how perceived. I care about my family the wellness of the wellbeing of my family to support for my wife. Because i love her right all that stuff or you know like in the other case where let's say traditionally a man is the protector right and let's over. The tv show is a fresh prince. No i that happened done. Bridgeton to where. Daphne the guy was trying to like a harasser molesters and she liked Punches him in the face and knocked our love interest in the show. The duke did euch was. He saw this like her getting harassed ryan and something's about to go down and so he starts storming over like i'm gonna be the man protector. And then she ends up like socking the dude in the face knocking him out right her aggressor and then he's like. Wow that's shocked them right like that's not something you would expect. So does that make her. You know if somebody saw that it's like is she more manly is she more masculine what i mean like i feel like people would initially think that. Oh she's less feminine even on the show right she embarrassed. She didn't to attain that to admit that she she knocked out a guy because that would tarnish reputation. No one would wanna marry her. She's fine exactly so the question. Her femininity right. Yeah so she even asked that he doesn't tell anybody what he saw. These things are so deeply ingrained in us that why should activity the specific to a certain gender. You know. I don't think that's right. You know or for example like nowadays people like guys how are people. There's like different interest right like crocheting or like doing certain things that are considered a man's sport or a woman's thing right. I feel like now we've gotten better. We've made improvements towards that right where you see more of the opposite sex in that type of sport or industry or hobby and it's more acceptable. Now we're not quite there yet in terms of full acceptance. But i think we're getting we're heading in the right direction. You know what i mean. I think it's also important as you take on or do something and you feel like out of place or is it. I think we should just always take a step back and kind of think about why. Why do i feel this way is it. Is it right or is it so deeply ingrained into into me and society that you know. I feel like i shouldn't do this or i can't do this. You know i think part of it too. I'm speaking personally. Like i feel like it's more of protecting my ego. Sometimes like or also like how other people looked at me and judge me kind of thing right. That's my own kind of hold up. If that makes sense yeah like if for example in that case where we were talking about like oh or maybe like you know a car breaks down and then you know you are the one that changes the tires or you know you know more about cars than i do. And i'm just kind of like i feel like people will judge me for that for example you know. Yeah so i mean. How do you fix that It remains something. I don't i don't know if it's fixable because i think stuff like this takes time but i think the more you embrace it in a it will help open up other people's minds. Yeah and i think what people we should clarify is that this is our opinion about it because i do know. People that are perfectly happy with having a segregation of gender roles. Right like they're perfectly happy with. I'm the wife. And this is what i'm supposed to do so i'm going to do it. I enjoy doing that but adler stand the family. You know like even what we brought it back to the animal. Animal kingdom like everybody has a role and a responsibility. Because it gives you purpose. Sure and is clearly defined Stepping on someone else's toes. So i do see the importance of defining your role is but it should make based on gender. Yeah exactly but if you feel like the gender norms is what makes you happy. That's absolutely fine. But all i'm saying is if that's not what you're comfortable with or if you want to kind of break away from the norm. Yeah that's okay to customize it to what makes sense to you in your relationship. Yeah like me. i don't wanna go change a tire. I don't wanna go kill bugs. I don't wanna take out the trash. So there are things that i'm still like all you can go do it when it's convenient says. Yes that's how you operate. Yeah but all i'm saying is if you're female and he won Don't know tree or a mill sport. Gopher break the norm. It's okay we live in a society now where it's more acceptable and it's great that you know we keep pushing these boundaries. Yeah absolutely and we're fortunate enough where we live in a time where we have A lot more options especially as females people have fought for these rights and things like that. There were is not perfect. Still right But yeah. I don't think we should be bound and restricted to what society tells us. We should be. We should have the freedom in the The choice to choose how we wanna define our own roles in what makes sense to us for sure. So i think First and foremost make sure you guys subscribe to our podcast were available on all audio platforms and our instagram is at magnetic mismatch. Release a new episode every thursday. So make sure to tune in and subscribe to our podcast. yeah and did next time

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