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Environment Matters: Featuring Dr. Terry McCosker, Farmer, Researcher and Agricultural Innovator

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Environment Matters: Featuring Dr. Terry McCosker, Farmer, Researcher and Agricultural Innovator

"This is environment matters with John Anderson featuring Dr Terry mccusker. This conversation is taking place in the height of summer in twenty twenty. It's been Osama. That's received great attention. Rotten round the world in Australia. We've had years of very severe drought. The landscape is unbelievably dry. We've had horrendous vase at stood up an enormous and very very important to bite. Not In terms of Australia's landmass around sixty percent is managed by Pharma's. The wrist by indigenous communities by government spied national park managers and so forth. Soil happens to be the biggest halder of carbon of all. What we do that souls can be part of the problem. Or part of the answer. And in this conversation we shake to explore these issues. It's being recorded on a family farm in northwest New South Wales. I'm here with Terry. mccusker WHO's interacted with the vast number of Australians with his INCO's training if I can put it that way. That's been enthusiastically endorsed by thousands of homes across the strata, and with my own son and daughter in law, Nick and Alex. So comfortably to Terry. Terry your. Entity has interacted with extraordinary numbers of families. And essentially has encourage them to work with the environment, not against it, but tell us how you got into it. And how many farmers you think attended, you'll courses and have started to rethink the way they deal with agriculture. To, I guess I started well I grew up on a farm to stop with so. Very much understand ruler strider. And then. Joined Cuisine Department Army Industries. In, not sixty seven, so I've been working professionally in agriculture, natural will ever fifty years. And I guess I got into this pathway. which goal regenerative agriculture culture pathway. Thirty years ago. Get introduced to a goggle. Stand possums from. It was Zimbabwean but time to us from from the US. And I. On a cattle property in the Northern Territory and. We were running a base thirty Ikea's. And I noticed that and actually measured that within five years. The desirable Perennial Spacey's were disappearing. And, I talked to ecologists and all sorts of people and experts and said why is this happening? And the answer I got was just noble. That's just what happens and. I had trouble accepting that because we're actually losing the most productive plants from pastas INFORMATICA system. And a few years later, I met staying Passan's, and he had some of the answers for me and then. Travelled around the world naughty naughty one studying. A different form of rising management. And from that understood that there are solutions to that sort of decline in pasta quality. And so that started me down the regenerative agriculture thirty odd years ago, and since then we've tried and. I've seven thousand people through very intensive training courses, and probably another two three thousand through short courses of that period so. that's a reasonable percentage. Of destroying agricultural. Market. Is Probably about one hundred thousand the FEMMES. Easily you know ones. So you got to wrap up getting up towards ten percent of Strident Pharmacy, yeah. I would woodside some way up to that probably not exceeding that. That's quite remarkable. And you're encouraging them to put it crazy to work with the environment rather than against it. That's the big shift and what I found is that the thing that excites bomb more than anything is to understand they managing an ecosystem a farm. And full thirty since we've been talking about ecology as the foundation of farming. Families have been able to make chief crazy isn't farmers and understand that? It's the basics of their ecosystem. And I look at an ecosystem, a pie very simple, little pie. And at the center of that Paul you've got carbon. And you've ecosystem services which are free things provided by Mother Nature. And you've got the water so Sokoll, so how well waters will working in the ecosystem You've got soil health biodiversity an energy flow, well utilizing sunlight energy. All of these things work together. You can't actually change one without changing the other. And in farming, we are changing nice things for better or worse. And farming. I believe for the last I Tasmanian. Since farming was invented really, we started to to to find globally. We've been mining Sol's. And Agriculture in in the modern era is actually being forced to mind soils because. Consumers, a probably not paying the full cost of producing food. So the cost, then not buying is being met by the ecosystem. But if we work with the system, and we work with Mother Nature. We can improve. If you like both balance-sheets, we can improve now financial balance sheet and improve our ecological balance sheet at the same time. Because, the more we work with night show instead of against Mother Nature. The more she helps us the bull water. We can store in the soils. A mole biology we've got that feeds are plants. The mole ecosystem services that we got that helps produce a crop of producer plans and Al Food And so all that puts more efficiency into agriculture and means that we have to spend less from an saw. And today the opposite to that is the more we degrade that ecosystem the mall we have to take out of a bottle or a bag and replace it into modern agriculture. And I think we've got the stage now where? Some of the inputs going into agriculture so expensive. That it's such a very high risk business now to produce many food products. So they can alex not jointly. You're in the business of producing food. And the traditional Pharma model and I'm sure. It's was my wife. Thinking was. We've got to be on that production. We survived by growing crops spot drying leaked by sold outs Bali whatever it is and producing fat cattle. That's how we earned income on. So that's way now. Focus production. You've shifted very deliberately to saying well. Actually. Everything depends on the saw the water. The nutrients in what it can dry. That's a big shift, but you now very tough tough to the point where you've imposed on your souls. The really difficult decision side that for us. The wrong thing to do is to take the land that the cattle off. The land to. Preserve the soil. And the grass structure. That's a big shift in your thinking for the time being. They're awful timing the coming back coming back. They coming back, but not yet. not until we got enough soil, Alma, basically forensic be coming and getting that new nutrients ogling rolling again. but to go back to what you're asking about. The shifting shifting our focuses come off the cows and back to resource-based essentially. But it's built around. Trying to grow as much this three steps in a production business district steps in basically the resource, the product and the marketing. and. The when we came, they told us that the holistic management they told us to focus on the one that got the lace double. where the weakest Linke's and obviously at the moment we're in the middle of the drought. The Weakest Link is the resource which is our Gross, so that's what we're focusing on. We're doing our very best to grow as much as possible For as little money as possible and the. Rather than focusing on cows, which were actually to be honest, the problem we've come back step and we're focusing on with where the holy where the dead woody's. And so with that in mall and bought removing the cows for the time being because we haven't been getting Enough Ryan, we've allowed S. oils to maintain a level of cover. It's new where I'd want it to be, but with that Kaba comes much Breida water use efficiency, and with that organic matter in the soil that gets stalled because of that ground county grant being plants. We actually get a more effective motorcycle, so the war that we do get they small rainfall rates. Have tended to be very heavy. You're actually able to catch them and use them if we have ground Kaba, if we don't have that, we caught and if we were focusing on the cows rather than the. The resource base that we have in the ecology of FM. I think we would have greatly exacerbated address. even though we have the same the same amount of rainfall, the efficacy of it would have just been. To life for us to do anything so now with that in mind, a business is really truly structured around growing. Ross is growing Ross post four mice, and then focusing on the product and how to turn that grossing adults. And And I think we Think! We're getting better at it. We got a lot to learn yet. But yeah, we'll come back in a moment to that growing grass, because at grind grass is good from an economic point of view as we try to survive AS Roma's and gratitude for people that there's another point. It's good for the community if you want to sit cabin. Then, we've got to find a wife fifth rewarding that the community. If you like share in Pineville that benefits I'll come back to that one terry with you a moment, but but Alex. You love animals very hard decision. To let those prize breeding animals inside both. Part of the same Sommese you've got to fall in love with Your Land New Resorts Even newlove your cattle and you your crops. Yeah, I think that's exactly right and it a hot rating decision. I know we all felt it was. Not, a fun thing to do but I don't think there's a second that we've regretted it over the last. Eight months oh sorry. At it Spain a really exciting journey actually. Really looking at landscaping, learning to understand it and reading it and. With more passionate about growing grass now they're outgrowing cows and we use out. We use at any Cadillac stuff we have here. As a tool for. Grass and that's what they he for any. Positive job growth than the not here anymore. And so a part of that equation for people who are listening to this would be to say. What you're doing is not only preserving the land and SATSUMAS. You can growing what you can't is having an added benefit. You're preserving more Kabanov very least losing less than you would be if you were over-grazing and stripping out your land and putting in a position where it will absorb more carbon more quickly when it does Ryan. So, these are really important. Things is a strategy works out what we can do on this whole thing that people are very concerned about how we manage climate gang fully, but let me ask you another question. Some, people might say well. Of course you want to wait night. You want to produce it. That's how you own your living, but we I think we should be aiding night because of a missions, and and that's quite common story, not Monte I e four percent of Americans I don't know what he's in Australia. He said I'm going to stop eating for environmental reasons gave out when a four percent within twelve months I got back to waiting. We it very odd illegal. But, but you ucla those animals that you love as part of the solution. You wouldn't wanNA. Encourage people. To to save the planet by stopping eating mate, no I think the way we understand. How the grasslands work now is that animals are very fossil tool in helping improve voice. That ecosystem and it's sort of as Terry was explaining before. If you just lock an area up mother night to doesn't really work like that. It's not a still static system, and you need animals, and you need disturbance in each direction to really it's. It's sort of like when you have a low on. If you just let it go, go and go ranking I. It's not healthy, and it's not thriving, but if you if you care that loan and you mow it regularly to level. You leave significant amount behind, and you keep doing that letting it recover, and then taking a little bit off the top. That's the way we manage across. So. The. What we really driving out here as much as anything else is trying to focus attention on the fact that soil he's in fact, the retainer of carbon, the great user of Carbon, the release of carbon in the absorb. mccollum is a cycle. The rule numbers on the amount of carbon in in the in the environment. The held by the soil tells you that it's the big want do everything else. I don't think that's why recognized in the in the very heated debate about quantum, so there's two pots you question John, I think one is the that we operating in Soccer Leonardo culture and I'll come back to that, and then the second is one of the raw numbers. The real numbers essentially that in the atmosphere there's ever write hundred Gigi tons of carbon. Carbon Nazi I. Take in all the vegetation on earth is estimated to a bit. I've a six hundred and ten Gigi tons of carbon in all the vegetation. In the top mater of soils, it's estimated that there's fifteen hundred and ninety Gigi tons of carbon. So if you add up behind hundred in the atmosphere and the six hundred. In vegetation, it doesn't equal the amount of carbon, the mayor of soils and that's all the calm atmosphere and and all of education on Earth. Then, then we come to the soccer. Just before you do in terms of global emissions. At global missions as proportions that it's actually quite modest, cumulating and people worried about it, but it's dwarfed by what's in the soils. A my point is that. The way we manage to solve. It can be a messy part of the problem. But we think a massive part of the solution I'm we're not focusing on an opportunity? Where a lot of good things can happen, you can increase the productivity of our land food production. Improve the quality of the soul. And help with the carbon saw. That's correct we can. It's a win. Win Win in every direction. Mike a ton of steel. Since linnea somehow. Emissions somewhere in ten to eleven. Gigi tons of to and that's just from. Burning Fossil fuels and from cement production. And then we look at the COBB Sokoll. Jay. It's not when we look at agriculture. We can't look at it from a linear perspective if if we're looking at talking fossil fuels out of the grand or but cement for example producing cement that's linear approach to carbon emissions. In Agriculture we're dealing with carbon cycle. Within the carbon cycle one hundred and fifty giga tons of Cobb, the east circulating through that atmosphere, vegetation and soil and eighteen and out of the three sources continuously. So we can't. Look at Carbon Accounting Agriculture the why we look at common accounting in a power station for example where we using fossil fuel dependency I take as off the atmosphere. It's not a cycle. But everything we do in agriculture and so Kaban in particular is a cycle. So. This. Article operates a basically to spot, so we have fight a synthesis, which is when every thing is growing old plants with US trees, grasses, growing COBB and DOC's office in into the plant and Jesus would all that COBB and has put down into this. Oh, by the plants. When every living thing dies, and that includes you and all? Insects and animals and trees and grasses, when that does that COBB and joins up with oxygen again oxidises, and goes back to the atmosphere is co two. That's essentially what are COBB and sock. Elise is that? But movement from. Going into every living things, refiners synthesised losing it through oxidation. Now to sequester in soils. If, we were to retain ten Gigi tons a year in s oils. Put that away a fifteen hundred and eighty guitar Pu. We would completely eliminate. anthropogenic emissions from fossil fuels and from learning of cement. If we would have that. We would actually be removing cit from the atmosphere and starting to lower. That the the number of parts per million of say I tell you in the atmosphere. So soils are actually solution. Unfortunately the thing that's got the publicity of the trees. Now, there's only so many trees we can grow. And the thing that's probably not understood about trade is wants. The tree is grown. It doesn't sequester. Carbon is then becomes part of the carbon cycle, and whatever it produces essentially as back to the atmosphere, so it's it's a stable system once you get into an all the forest. Harvesting or with that before or whatever in nut, tree environment. The carbon is stable. It's not being sequestered. But in agriculture, we've got a lot of soils globally where we can manage for putting carbon into the soil, and it's a massive solution to. Not just talking to. The problem we have with this drought for example is a problem with a water cycle. And the water is either in the ions or in the atmosphere in state of being stored in our environments, so it's not an ass oils. So, what does not an ASS oils out? We're going to get more draft. We'll get more. More big ground attracts more drab so big ground heats up right away. And Nike is so smart. What she has in living plants is bacteria. MINUS SYRINGE is one of them, and that leaves. It's part with life cycle. Plant. But then it leads off to the atmosphere. And it's got a cell structure that allows it to create water crystals at a higher temperature than dust, particles and pollution particles, etc.. So, what Mother Nature has created is the system where she makes her online, so that is bugs flight off into the clouds and create. What's called precipitation Ben Dan they come again. Get onto the plane. Sit Again, a guy because as rind. And then backed out and say the next lot of plans. But when we get a lot of Bay grand and no water stored Thai soil needs to be like sponge. And to create that sponge. We've got to get more carbon into the soil. So not only do we solve a lot of the drought issues. If we get more carbon into the so, but we take, we start. To issue in the environment as well. It's a solution to a lot of things. including. The food quality the more carbon we get into soil, the better the food quality becomes the consumer benefits from that as well so in essence Terry. What you're really saying is that. Agricultural production food the management of land. Is a cyclic business it uses Kaban it absorbs carbon. It emits cabins, but quite fun. Management of that process can produce very very different outcomes. And if we get it right, you can actually win on. On, you can win on production. You can win on food quality. But. It doesn't seem to have had much focus in the hall debate about Climate Change. And you classic example of that because I've known this for years I don't kind of Turbie Bright, but a static trae is of no use if you're worried about absorbing common. A growing bitter grass. which is what you're trying to do here. Is Sucking Kaban? And you mentioned grass, and this is way the mice, the the much-maligned livestock coming into the picture. Lots Stalker actually critical to US sequestering carbon in soils. Because we've got to, we've got to allow that grass to grow. Be Eaten. re-grow be eaten. Rigo beaten, and it's that circling of the grass itself. which is creating more fighters, synthesis and extending fight synthesis over a longer period? That's actually taking more cit out of the atmosphere. Now that lies Livestock Day. That glossies is like a trade. It just grows, and then if it's not eight and. It will lead to be. or it will just defy or will be constrained by what ends but one way or the other that and that's in her plans. He's going to get back to the atmosphere. So I think this whole methane story in livestock for example is completely blown out of the water. It's it's in a way. It's false accounting. For for example, it is linear accounting in a circular system that may find the guys. The atmosphere has a half of that seven years. The. Say I tell you the guys. The atmosphere got off on us. So even the May sign has a higher greenhouse gas impact in terms of its warming capacity. Is there for much less time? And that to me tighten would actually get to the atmosphere one way or the other, so for example we talk these bushfires. Hot Fire. A hot fire emits a lot of Maitha in relative to see to. A cool thaw emits a lot of co two relative to methane. So if we don't grazed grasslands for example when we don't manage forests, we've actually stopping the COBB and circle. With and another night yet does not like to be static. So she'll clean it up. So you know what we're seeing is a claim by the Niger saying. This is not the way it should be. we got this cobb and saw and this cobb and Soko's soft wings, being going for three hundred fifty. Seventy five million years. One of the greatest inventions ever made. In fact fight. A synthesis is so clever. That may never been able to recreate it. So. This the COBB and Sokoll. He's actually the solution. To climate change not just from the perspective, but from the fact is not writing and the fact that Dame's an affiliate have sold not filling with water. An ESA was on Donald, water. And Aso's will get to a stage. And as many soils in this state now a result of this drought and management over the last few hundred years. That now tight water! So the question then, how do you bike a drought? Even if you got rain? If you're soils, count absorbable. And I'd like a slider on to to actually do a few little tests just to illustrate to demonstrate demonstrate the the whole spare in that. John, Terry. What arises out of this is that if the wine which we manage our land, the sixty percent that's managed by farmers in Gracie's forty percent will come to that later. That's not managed, but still has to be managed. How do we firstly understand what needs to be done in secondly work with farmers, because it's going to involve the greater community, we know that. To incentivize. Best practice. And if you lock frankly. Mike at list attractive to engage in the in the less useful wise of managing land. I'll pay you a compliment. Child's messy. The renowned rule rod in this country thinks that you've influenced. Mull Pharma's. Than anybody else in Australia? That's a tremendous thing to have done. Is it your view because I think this is being missed? That the why Australia farmers about their resources and they found his changed significantly in recent times. Yes I think it is and I think we're at a tipping point. Now that when we come out of this drought, things will happen. They'll be significant change in the White Paper One. Manage young fold, and there will be a lot of people industry. This the stats on that a scary. How many people want to leave? A lot of people found it very tough personally, and it's really quite heartbreaking to talk to people who just had enough the depressed the. Use of, negative income. Ta. It was distant, recently published one of the straight news pipes, and on that saying that I've already percent of Australians. The MAIJA unprompted concern is the environment and climate change. And went on. Look at the farming, systems. Pharma's not being paid the full process producing food because we're actually morning, aneka generally to produce food, and still here in terms of of income. So if consumers don't WANNA pay the full price of few food. But they actually have a concern about the environment and plant giants and ninety percent of them do. Then, they must be willing to contribute to farmers to help change the climate. And the simple way to do that is through two mechanisms. One is carbon credits, and the other is environmental credits. Bought diversity credits which is growing markets I. Just make knobs basin. Zoo former member parliament Scifo. I'm stag. The fact that the government is actually done a better job here and made more progress. Than anybody gives credit. And we'll come to the missing gaps because that's critical. When not there yet? We go to Ciller that we've made more progress than anyone realizes the end in fact. in Australia's emission levels per person coming down quite well and his lousy because of land. The point is we can do a hate more. We can do massive amounts more so if we just encourage three percent of Australian farm, as this is excavating the ranch land, which is the largest component of that manage land in Australia. If we just looked at the more intensively managed landscapes and managed three percent of that. We could SEQUESTER ARANDA BAB sixty to seventy million tons of CIT per hectare per annum, so I don't pay per annum in stride. If we. Got Some encouragement. through government and the community. To increase the right of adoption of that across the farming community, and took that just a twenty percent. Of that landscape. we could remove well. I have a two hundred million tons of c. o two per annum. put it in soils which will increase. Food Security Water Security. And food, quality and resilience on farms And and have an impact on by the water cycle NCO two in the atmosphere. But. We need some encouragement to do that now. Australia leads the world in terms of soil technology. That's part of what's missing. We don't. Now, it gets to know that people don't know that but Australia. Lead the world in. Two thousand eleven when we set up the COBB and farming initiative. which was a bipartisan approach to encouraging carbon farming in farming community? So the legislation is actually implies. There is money and plus two carbon credits. The downfall is in the. Restrict these lenient of the methodologies that we have to work on the. So he turned to is. Is that a long hand? Wife signed? It's not Pharma friendly it's. It's not friendly. It's bureaucratic. And it's. Done that for a reason, but I think. Unless we loosen up. The ability of farmers to actually get involved, then they don't get involved in this whole potential to China's climate and. An improved particularly Brian. Full and and tykes him to Allie atmosphere unless we free this up a little bit to allow promised to do it and. Do this in a way where it's not real I mean it's still be measured in. It's got to be done in a way that the market believes and understands that. When they Boeing carbon credits real, it's in the soil in his locked away. But there is so many impediments the discounts that famous forget get for so Kaban is phenomenal. It's it's. If I go on sale so carbon from the first time I measure it. After taking forty percent. Allowing made to sell you then have molad to sell. So what you're saying to me as a farmer is will you go one sequestered this carbon force? That'll be really good for all of us a community but. We expect you to actually get any return on the investment you doing in that for minimum of ten years, and then within twenty five days we'll stop buying for. That's a real disincentive. But we expect you to invest it to it. So you, you're expected to put money into. Funding a slow and for example in funding another measurement been funding another measurement, and then doing the changes that you need to Mike on your property, all of which cost money and the money out of your pocket, the nobody else's funding and then signed e it. Will you just wipe for another ten years John Before? We give you any income. Does a simple things that can change. I've thought if there was a political will to do it. That could change I've not and. We have seven hundred fifty thousand hectares in part of carbon projects today. If some of those impediments where removed. How many? Save one hundred and fifty thousand eight days of farmers Londe up by farming land law and up to wanting to do carbon projects, and this is not true. He's not my great progress. This is this is about San, soil and vegetation. That's correct. Basically. But we need to take that up seven million hectares. Not Not seven hundred thousand. And then maybe seventy million hectares. so we basically got bureaucratic impediments stopping that from happening. There's not reason why with the road encouragement the farming community wide. Go down that track and sequester carbon. As I talked to some scientists I agree one hundred percent. Other scientists say now we don't trust Pham. Tom Not to abandon tool and push a country too hard and just release every good bit of carbon sequestration. I've managed to. To carry forward. Ole Scientists agree that this is a very important area. I met one who doesn't think it's important I. Just I think uh depends a bit on how they feel about farmers. Maybe that's reflected in the fact that it set up in whether it's very difficult to access for families. Yes, we lock the fuss over drought relief being hot to excess but this one. Shouli national interesting, getting rot quickly there is and that that concern is real. But the way. That up. You've got to be able to work out what the baselines are. Different managements are doing, and then recalled them in Weiser. Reassuring and reliable for the buyer and seller. And our economical. That's an an under a cart methodology. That's all solved and solve. Because it's measured, so if you do a by Sloan and on comeback and five Utah measured. If you've you've added carbon, then you will get paid carbon credits, but if in ten years to them, you've actually not sequestered any COBB, and then you won't get paid, and if you lose what you did he then you have to pay it back all BA- rebuild it. So. That safety mechanism is in the methodology. Often have a problem with that. Provided we continue to actually measure measure accurately, but probably do that less frequently. We have to do at the moment. and. There are many new technologies that we can use so the other issue for from the farmers, perspective is cash flow. So at the moment, the methodology and landscapes like this, we. We wouldn't bree measure that Kaban every five years. So that means you got five years before you get any income at of the credits that you've actually suggested. And, then you go another five years before you get any more income from. If we were. Able to simplify this thing and away we were able to use satellites and models and other things like that in between measurements extended measurements APP to reduce the cost. But then tried annually. Off what's going in, and then when we re measurement, you get a up or my damn, and you adjust what you've actually been pied. Do you do that? You would do that very conservatively, but at least you would get annual cash flow out of it. And in when you get into seasons like this, this annual cash flow means that Pharma's done have to go screaming to the public or the government and. Help us because we're in a drought. Because the cash flow can be they from credits that you've wasted in the bossed. Well that you guys to sequester, win the draft breaks. So? There's a mechanism that can actually take a whole lot of pine straight off the public purse when we get into seasons like this. and it. It's a solution to sign many things now that. The point when we were talking earlier that infect their acquaintance, then follows western Queensland families who've been eyelid accessible. Try with timber is and it seeing through the drought this because they being tied for the carbon sequestration with growing trees and preserving the forest. Yep, so this two schemes. In western Queens, West New South Wales one is called. Avoid deforestation so that people had. A permit to clear. And decided not to say if they cleared the timber memorial being burnt, so it was a loss of of Cobb. Absolving Calvin that they not telling down means. It's an avoided emission avoided emission get the other is human induced regeneration that means that I'm encouraging trees to regrow on country that he didn't have any or modifying polled in the past. And does by games running at the moment I've got clients who Making substantial money added is COBB and siles through this drought when they've got no darker one plot he's got. Two Hundred Thousand Ike is wrought Adam West in Queensland's Edna Ryan now fool seven right years. But he can keep staff. He can mind tiny infrastructure because he can do development on his property ready for when it does Ryan because he's got an income from less carbon credits now that income any last ten years. You gotTA. Make the most of it when you get it That's the difference between trees and soil, so in soils under the current rules in Australia. You can get income from sequestering in soil for twenty five years. There's a methodology in America where you can actually do that for forty. As and I think that's much more sensible because soil carbon is slow to build. The other thing that. Many saw as style understand, and must people don't understand is that there is no limit to the amount of COBB and we can put in a soil absolutely not decided. We can only still limited amounts. There's not out of the reason is way nightside that there is limited amounts? They're working on percent carbon. So if we look at the soil, right here for example, it's limit Mont be seven percent organic carbon. But. When the Topsoil Array to seven percent Monday night, you will stop pushing that Cobb dancer the profile, and if that price fall fills up in the next hundred years, mother night will build soil. Let it be I. Can Carbon continuously out of the atmosphere to grow soil, and that's where so comes from Elliott, Murphy. They trees. You can see behind us. That trade did not grow out of the soil. If adid the soil would have sunk where the trees that trees growing out of the atmosphere. It'd be living plant. We have ninety percent of its nutrients in atmosphere. Including the COP including carbon, so it's common. It's oxygen this water. Ole allies, things are in the atmosphere nitrogen role in atmosphere, naughty percent. whether it's a crop. RECITES trays ninety percent of the nutrients are in the atmosphere. Now Terry It's important in the context of the Bush pause in the row of. reducing has a few leads. And what have you in forest to remember that? Two things. Around forty percent of Australia's land is not managed by farmers. and. That traditionally indigenous people in particular. In, guys in Cool Benz, they were into hazard reduction, the fuel reduction in a big way, and that's bring paddle the system in Australia for very long time. The Truth About Cubans they probably help you sequester common if they done properly over the cycle. What do we say about the publicly owned lands? And what are we say about few leads and few reduction. The feedback Bob getting full. Decades from. Prominent who are up against national parks unsown is it. They're not managed. From the point of view of few light is one. FERAL animals is another. Naive animals is another, so you've got massive repopulation for example coming out of those parks and doing real damage to skype Aranda. So. I think there's a history of those napping managed where. Managed in when? Communities were running that land. Patent. I think the thing that would surprise. My strident will be deny that if we had had satellite imagery of Australia when Captain Cokes I up the coast and we don't have satellite imagery, but we do have photographs from while I for one. Hundred Years Guy. And that indicates that it that era there were far less trees in Australia than there are today. There are massive areas in Australia now. That would that a woodland. That weren't. A hundred and fifty years ago. and. There's lots of evidence of that. And massive areas of Queensland where I'm more familiar. Areas of Mal Gannett that August that in the nineteen twenties and thirties. Open gossip, and the same with a lot of what we now know Burglar Country Coin Sand. That was a lot of that was actually grossly with a few Brig. lead trae scattered through it. A whole that now is trees and people saying now well. You gotTa Leave Day because they've always be named. That's not right, and you look at the size of the trees. That line would tell you that. The having been there for five hundred years. So I think. We've really got to rethink how we manage forests and national parks. Taking livestock out of National Parks for example that has the potential to keep it more open to reduce few leads. Not Why would think leaving? Uncontrolled and many way within a national park I don't know why people would think that's damaging. It's far more damaging not to reduce. Because as hot thaws than do significant damage, cool for an ecosystem in Australia has evolved with indigenous burning practices. Then the digital? People have got knowledge about burning which have never passed on, and we need to try and get some of that information before disappears, and there are a few people around. That are starting to teach us how to do that. We so we need to stop bringing that in not just into our forestry, but across grasslands every way but if you look at a lot of people will say for example well. We'll Australia two hundred years ago. Two hundred fifty s ago did not have lost in it. So therefore, how can you argue that livestock And that's true. Forty thousand years ago did have but. This two ways in which an ecosystem comes into balance, one of those is fire and Australia had a fire climax ecosystem. But if you look at America where they were massive herds of Bison three hundred as a guard. or Big Chunks of Africa where there were. Massive, herds of game. You had a grinding mix. And a grazing climax has a different structure to a fire climax when it comes to grassland. So by dies will actually keep. Landscape open more open, so you will have less trees under grinding land sky guiding, and you'll have less trays under fire clinics. Now what we've done in Australia is we've taken European knowledge in agriculture. Applauded to an entirely different environment. Taken far out because we don't want to ban because. Several reasons but name because we'RE LOSING LIVESTOCK FADE IF WE BURN, but within we haven't managed is launched on in a natural way. So the law. If you look at the why lofts? Run naturally site run in very large mobs and continually move. You look at the way, the boss and authorized. The why herds operate in Africa today so. What we did. With start putting up fences and just try animals in there and let them spread out. Stay there for one hundred years. And that is damaging, but if we put those animals together now and get back in an emulate what Mother Nature does. Put together and big mobs and keep them moving then that landscape changes so if we WANNA run lots talking Australia. We need to run. Manage it to get. They grazing, climax. We have neither at the moment neither afar next, nor grazing plummets because they've taken far up. And in Paris taken it up for too long in the firelight bills. Far Allied, not the only cause of the what's going on in the last few months like the. The fact that we've had a massive drought. Now that Massey's drought you can, you can try a lot of that back to the fact that have wall cycles bracken. So we not getting the rainfall And a I know at home. We get a lot of cloud. We don't get any Ryan out of it. So. Something's changed and it's not just say to you. It's the whole is a. Lot of changes I. WE'VE GOT High Wings. That have come together with very low humidity which have come together with high fuel which come together with very dry conditions. And so gave actually got A. Real problem on your hands. These are really putting things cave in mind. As governments now cabinets everywhere. I gained have to stop unthinking. We trust with Cooper another to learn the lessons and act quickly the big cod. What will four bus? Society I think is that? The way we manage our land. Soil's at posture as well as trays. The trees has had some coverage will now be. Haven't on grass, pasture and cropping. AS PART OF THE SOLUTION Because of the role of. Soils Common Sokoll. We need urgent attention to this. We need the roadblocks created, so let's just then briefly explore. If we had the opportunity to get before the decision makers. What would be the cane messages? For me this two parts of that. One is what is the strategic problems USTRALIA faces at a strategic level and what are the solutions to those problems? I say at a strategic level. We have climate. The climate is giant whether this goes by Hayman's or whatever else it's. There's no doubt that is changing. That China Jin climate is going to have an impact on food, security and water security. Which of significant. Strategic Issues for Australians. Concerned. I have grandchildren. They will still be alive in. At the end of the century. And I'm concerned about what are nationalist. I is GonNa look like the end of the century. If we don't address, does trae things the? How do we meet a guy that Tom Change? And adapt to it rather than mitigate. How do we adapt to it? Because the truth sees gladly. Australia's simply com have enormous impact on the mitigation. Multi. We shouldn't do a bit, but we. We have to be hard nosed about the sheer numbers. The adaptation is going to be critically important that if we adapt the rottweiler. We can help mitigate, and we can export that knowledge. That's great now to me. If we does three really strategic things. You're adaptation to climate change, food security water security for this country. And Management of the national estate, really four things, but they're linked. There's one simple solution to all of those things, and that simple solution is. Let's get carbon into our agricultural soils and encourage farmers to do it. Fund them to do it. Help them get started. And that will actually start to adapt to climate by from tape, perspective and a water, perspective and Ryan Perspective. That will help with food security because we've got more stored in soils, more water stolen dame's water cycle stops to return We've got more food security and we got more water security. It's one simple solution to all of is Mike Maija strategic problems. Whose heads need to be knocked together the clean up. The fact. A lot of you said this a lot of the policy frameworks in place, but it's simply not family friendly, not land manage friendly. I, think did up. Governments have actually done a very good job of putting a lot of policy in place and Astrid elites the world in terms of of some of that policy. It's the nitty gritty in the nuts and bolts in that policy that need to be taught it up and needs to be. Dumb Fava friendly and I think there's a few hades that need to be banged Amongst the the the bureaucrats in the Santus to control the detail in the methodologies. And I think we can say Malaysia cheaper a lot more accurate while we make them cheaper. And and not lose. If we do not want to lose the credibility that destroy and system has built into it. And I think that's possible. But I. Mean you been in the chair in the situation yourself? You'd probably have a much better idea of how to bang heads together and how to make something like this happens. So would you go? Well announced when we had a problem that that that involved different agencies in different departments since I. Really dependent upon the boss. and. They sang ministers around him. Getting them around the table and saying we want this fixed. And if you take something like salinity. Or even the national were shooting, which was largely on Don unfortunately by subsequent governments and ministers. It was done by drawing ahead together the relevant ministers and the relevant departmental heads. One of the ride box. where, you being competitive rather than cooperative. We wanted to win. We want it done in a seamless coordinated white. and. And what want to quickly? We want to quickly, and I think one of the ways in which we can do that to start looking at hall of fame, methodologies saw. Naked and Alex here if I wanted to do, soil carbon project on this property. Then that's one project if they wanted to save these traits or plant more trees. That's project. If you wanted to reduce, may find emissions separate. If you take notre dinette of your farming systems. That's a separate project whereas what we should be doing is looking at this farm and sighing. Hair, can you be rewarded for reducing emissions in every way, you can reduce emissions and can be rewarded for sequestering cobb taking data the atmosphere, so there's two things one is avoided, and the second is tough it out of the atmosphere pharmacy, the only people that can get it out of the atmosphere and we need to. Quickly to get, him back. Steel produced by two tons of call. That's linear this what we do, it's a cycle. It's awful and we can get the Sokoll into a Beta shape. We can go hiking. That's every time common guys through that Sokolow we need to do is be leaving something behind. We can't stop it and we want to. We actually want to accelerate the circle, so it's easy for moby on particularly in this oil, more accused to catch and carbon stored in the source, a cabin stored at twenty centimeters within a soil is stable for between one thousand and three thousand years. So. Talking about a twenty five year permanent period. Is Rubbish, when start talking about so Kaban, that has the ability to be stable for thousands of years and the DP guy, the longer that stability guys at then guys episode of Thirty Thousand Years While the time you get down to a major and a half so. Getting and getting down through the profile is the why Detroit permanence, so we've got this permanence rule in there. That is actually cruising the ability of farmers to make money out of carbon. An economics, you'll confident that. As long as you get the right policy support. You can go on producing high quality foodstuffs, even in a rapidly changing environment. Yeah. I think so I made it. It's something that we're. Currently working on. Like helping ecosystem services end storing Kaban. Even even without any policy, because it's something, we believe so strongly and something that. You know we say every time we drive a living, plant or trey with grass, growing under it all away a lost in the paddock, cycling nutrients, and like we say we live it every day and it's. It's something we strongly believe in, and it's something that we say is really being able to strengthen rural communities and strengthen femme profitability in an industry that's really crippled at the moment and GonNa help those regional communities at a really really suffering. Undo another line. You're finding other young farmers. The thinking along this I'm wise optimistic They believe we can make it work. It would be handy if we just had the wrought framework particularly when it comes to providing. Incentives, and that means money really. For Best Practice, and let's be blunt about this some disincentives. For bad practice. I think if to get back to what terrier that what would you ask the influences? What would you side of the influences influences indecision Mike is it would be. For me. It would be that. Congo nation on best soil. So if whatever policy you are going to rot or Not It name, keeping on the best practices, which which Cape the civil covid to be rewarded. Yet I think in terms of insensitive saying optimism within the community is there's a handful of. Info. If not more people, Agean ration-. Who really are Staten Luther and starting to fall them in these processes and As Alex, said the more we drive around and say the ecosystems functioning ecosystems services functioning on our place, the more we realize that. It's the really is something to this and it works. Well a couple points. There one is some economists point to something which is interesting. If you stop thinking about it quite obvious if we get this right and farmers have transparent and trustworthy monitoring services available to them. You don't even need you. Don't need taxpayer money. You don't even need a stranded money. They'll be internationally. Piling in? The body is credits. Well. That's good for everyone, not just farmers. That's good for the broader economy. Australians applying looking Terry fool. A compelling and honest and credible narrative around climate giant, because that's been the focus with the drought with bushfires, and indeed that the eyes of the world by watching us. I believe the first thing we have to do is establish the rule facts. We have to be almost about certain things. We can do our bit, but we can solve the problem. It's a global problem. I will serve no one if we smash our economy because we have to adapt part of the answer is actually to diversify and strengthen the economy. But the narrative is planning out satisfying anyone at the moment I know you feel strongly the same way. How do you think the narrative should be frying? Leading try I would be saying. To the people of Australia I, I understand that eighty percent of your concerned about the environment and way. We're hitting with national state. Secondly. We understand that a government level that water security and food security. Paramount to the security of Dryden's. But we have a solution to that. And that solution is that we're going to encourage and Pi four and the community will assist in paying farmers too tight carbon dioxide out of the put it in soils, which will stop to rehydrate. Landscapes will remove cit from the atmosphere. and. Will Give us food security water security and stopped to address the issues around the environment and climate change. Terry, Alex and Nick Thank you very much for joining me for this conversation I. Think we can agree. On three things we're passionate about agriculture and feeding people and looking after the land. With passionate about ensuring we possible in better condition to future generations, and I think we're passionate about a belief. That proper land management can be a big part of the solution to the climate concerns that Australians have. Now. You've been listening to Environ been matters with John, Anderson further content visit John Anderson Dot net dot a U.

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Just ask a busy person

Free to Be the Conscious Leader

15:03 min | 1 year ago

Just ask a busy person

"Hello this is Lucy from success. We'd LISSI DOT com. I'm so excited to have you on this episode today. Which is about business and hustling and going for your goals but that sort of saying if you want something done just ask a busy person. So we're going to cover a couple of things today and it's Bay not topical am in the back of my mind for quite a number of weeks now just with some new clients today with great amazing just out of this world visions and goals that they have but just the way they going about them getting into that burning the candle at both ends. And there's just pieces of the puzzle missing and so that sleep when you're dead mentality in the busy you are the more apparently that it works out so. I definitely want anyone to think in listening to this. That means that you if you want something done need art work and you sit on your behind and you just you know. Pray all day or whatever it might be like that definitely might be part of it but there's action which creates the momentum and there's also let's call it a spiritual side if you will like it's it's not even spiritual it can be lots of ways but it's just it seems like just a normal pace to me but something that we saw often miss out on and you're like. I want to have a little confession. He that is to be exactly that person too so I used to work in the corporate world. I was that definition of if you want something done. Just ask a busy person. I would work around the clock I would burn the candle both ends and the only way you would get me to stop even on Holidays. I would find it hard to slow down and stop and relax and while that's you know I still like doing things. Sometimes it was really good. I can see now. It would be really good if I had just learned how to relax and let go a little bit more and actually allow in that stuff that I really and truly wanted because life is that balance and we need to create that for ourselves. Whatever that balance looks like for us like balances a big word but it's it's defined by us as an individual as well and what we are who we naturally naturally and what we naturally want to do and create and leave now definition of success because everyone's definition is going to be very different so thinking back to all of the ways that I would actually stop was when I was on holiday but then I wouldn't be fully wind have fully have stopped in that but most of the time I had to get really seek like a sickness armor? One time in my young twenty's working just around the clock hot and getting sicker and sicker and bidding. The Candle boy thins and not looking after myself in lots of ways and ended up in hospital for what I'm GonNa say is almost two weeks actually and sort of admitted myself out because I just got sick of not bringing see my animals my pets and my horses dogs and horses and cats and everything and started to feel really bad. They weren't getting looked after properly which wasn't the case but it was just sort of my ploy to get out of there but that's the type of situation that I would have created in the past in order to be out of stop and slow down and I would think that in order to reach my goals of always being big dreamer of had big plans of always wanted to go after amazing things. Most people have told me what I want is impossible all sort of roll their eyes at them and in some ways I believe them and in some ways I didn't but that business was never going to help me and the lack of the lack of alignment the lack of reaching myself. You know understanding myself saw this process rather than just waiting to get to that destination in or that's what it was really about Wasn't enjoying the journey. Don't get me wrong. I had fun times. I had great knots out. I had great holidays in between but I really wasn't enjoying the journey. Everything was a means to an end and everything was these. I'm not like a never ending. Sokoll and unreach- something and think now what now what? Now what is the next thing to do and again? I was never in the journey. I was always really separate for myself. I didn't know what I was feeling a really who I was. I was just so caught up in the business that I had created in these life and actually probably more importantly thought that I had to have an K. Which if you if you understand law of attraction and you understand frequencies and things like that you put out there and if you're listening to this show that you do and you absolutely open to all of that you Nari that what you're putting out there is exactly what you're getting back. It's like more incidences to find that business more ways to create the stress more ways to do more we just create on which Sokoll and we don't see it because we're leaving it. It's the conditions that we have said it's the beliefs that we have said. It's the perspective that we have and it's the only way that we are. How so we don't see it necessarily at the time and takes sometimes a pig shakeup unfortunately or fortunately to be able to change this way so I suppose in giving you this insight today and hearing what I'm talking about so these slip. These topic is resonated with you on some level. I just want you to think about if you watch yourself back on for the next month. Okay so you filmed for the next month or every day day in day out your talk your actions your behavior all of those things. Would you look back on that and think? Gee I'm not that crazy busy person like I. Actually have downtime actually. Have Tom that I love actually have time to sit with my feelings and my thoughts and just bay with myself. I put a lot of time into looking after me. That so F- love sort of ritual as well. I just honor who I am and I'm living the journey not the destination leaving every day. The best in best in greatest version of myself. I'm living that journey. Would you if you could be bold enough to look at yourself right now and to consider that would come up for you like in all truth and it doesn't matter whether he say absolutely or doesn't matter if he say? Hick Nari got some work to do it. It really doesn't matter either way what it comes down to is that awareness and then the choice from that awareness and I was talking to someone a couple of months ago now and we were getting into the concept of quantum physics and parallel universes and quantum time like there is no time and it's all const constructed and we were talking about all of these amazing elements in how powerful we are and what we know what we repr- we saw. I suppose that those types of saying we're talking about the journey that we were on as individuals but just sharing some of the insights sharing some of the things that we do as a person and some of the practices that we do and learning more about ourselves as on that way so we still coming from a place that we're perfect whole and complete like everything is fantastic in this very moment but we are annoyed what we nor which is quite limited which is probably not a topic for a whole another topic for another time at the given time and we can learn more you know we always look learn more we just by default just by being committed to these and it just gets easier and easier and bid on and you look back one day and you think wow. I thought I knew so much about myself back then and now I realize really didn't because it was perfect for where I was at that time. But it's so much easier having these different this different inside now so we were talking about these talk of work and we were talking about individual journeys in said predominantly time. And we were talking about say he to us to have the belief that you had to work really hard to get anywhere to get anything to leave that life to have the goals and sort of you know. Burn The candle both ends again sleep when you did coffee drip all that stuff which is oh just beliefs which is old beliefs. Blake's we can change as well so he we having that conversation and he said I wake up one day and realized that there was people around me working. Wi- less hours doing wireless things living a way better than me. And he wasn't unhappy with these law for anything like that. It was just like well. Why hard work doesn't always equal the results that you say that you want? And so. That's where he started to dive into this work and started to look at well. Wise at sorry like what are these? People have not smarter than me then more talented than May in fact. I've got a better job than them. You know all things being equal. I should be why happy. And why further along in life and it was just a really profound moment for him and getting into these work now he realizes that he had big pieces of the puzzle missing as did I and this is what we were sharing that. The work is important. Showing up in the discipline in the consistency. And doing your best work is important. But it doesn't need to take up majority of the day. There is also inside that look familiar meditation. Journaling and that meditation journaling take up around two hours of my day and I sleep the seven or eight hours and I make sure that I'm there to pick up my kids every from school and drop them off every single day. Like that's just something that's really important to me. I've designed my life as best as I for what I want for. The best is what I see right now. And that's still evolving. Sometimes too and the beautiful thing is when you do this type of work on yourself being the innermost work being a coupling human behavior which is exactly what I am what I do. The human behavior special things. So you're working with yourself your intrinsic motivators your treat. His is your true purpose. Your true calling and then you also work on the side. We couple that we've quantum physics type of work everything just gets amplified everything gets amplified and it's not always an instant result sometimes absolutely absolutely is but that's part of the journey tour that we learn so much more about ourselves in Saudis Sir. I'm going to you know at this point in time. If I keep going down this path probably going to keep on talking about lots of other topics which aren't necessarily want to get into right now and I say them for podcast for another time but what I want to say to you is if you have those any goal at all. But if especially have those crazy goals that people feel like they might be too far fetched or maybe that sort of raised eyebrow from people Or you know you get into the house so you start to analyze the how and you think just starting to how this is going to work and you start to comment with logical mind. I want you just to take a step back. I want you to take a step back and I want you to connect to your y behind the things that you are going for the things that you say that you want in your life and I want you to connect to your highest value inside that. I want you to connect to the feeling. How will it feel when you're there? How does that feel? Just immerse yourself in that feeling a heck of a lot more and allow yourself to feel good inside this and then from that point I want you to take inspired action and I'm really you know keeping it in and not show here but I want you to take spot action from that place not the place that you have these never ending never ending crazy pile of work and the you just out of touch with yourself and you too need to get sick or full in hape somehow before you're allowed some downtime that force downtime. It's not the way we need to leave. And it's definitely the best way to go about things all the easiest way to go about things. So this balance. Is these little pieces of the puzzle. That old contribute. And it's definitely not just one way. I just want you to remember that so today's that Little Ramada Inn topline reminder for you to just get out of your own way sometimes laughing's to happen by connecting to those things that are happening rather than feeling like just constantly turn Dahl Up. Run yourself into the ground and really be miserable in this life. Life is not meant to be full of misery and suffering. Unless you so choose of course. Anyway I'M GONNA leave it there today. I would love. Invite you as well to jump on. If you're interested in this a little bit more detail and jumping into the work with me to jump on my website or to jump in to the facebook group of leadership and self mastery. We'd Luciana and jump on. I get shit done program. We talk about the ten day program and we talk about we step into and we allow even more to get done sometimes is track people you know depending on how they re they run through life. Every single day by years has months sometimes weeks but just learning the tools to help fast track these to get out of your way into start to enjoy life and get results a heck of a lot faster to the point where people just start looking at you and like how did you get there. I want what you were having an all of that sort of goodness so invite you to jump over and check that out or jumped into the program end all see you on speak to you on the next podcast see later.

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Tax Yak  Episode 18: Single Touch Payroll: Q&A with the ATO

Tax Yak

1:00:35 hr | 1 year ago

Tax Yak Episode 18: Single Touch Payroll: Q&A with the ATO

"Taxi attacks podcast, we love about tax. So we've invited a range of Texas spurts and practitioners to have a chat with us. We hope you enjoyed this episode of Taxila. I'm Robin Jacobsson a Saint you try not with tech Spanta and your hosted today's podcast. I'm joined by Makarava's director at the and design lead of single touch payroll. Michael has a twenty five years experience in Texas ministration with most of the last twenty years focusing on the implementation of new government initiatives for two years. Michael was conquered to the treasury where he was the policy late on the development of his teepee. Michael all such as the design working group, which was collaboratively with a broad range of industry stakeholders on his teepee design issues on twenty seven much Michael Kirk presented a weapon with me on his teepee and arising from that webinar came a number of questions, we try to address. Them on the day. But there was so many that we've decided that today's podcast will deal with the questions that arise during that web and up or which had been forwarded us since the weapon are so go about fifty questions to work. I threw Michael Wilkin detect check. Thank you pleasure to be here. It's great to heavy here. And this fall has the podcast that we recorded on Monday with John. So we had a Chechen about whereas teepee sitting but Pepsi found update on the current figures because this seems to be escalating at a rapid writer nuts. It's the doors open and everyone's open for business everyday. We come in and say, the number really surprised, I'm very happy. It is good only guy back to the twenty seventh of much. That's the ran with Anna. There was seventy two thousand employees reporting through estate about forty five thousand substantially employers around twenty seven thousand small employs who voluntarily reporting covering about five million employees now to access information through my golf on the eighth of April that figure heading Chris to eighty thousand employers, forty seven and a half thousand substantial thirty two thousand small about five point six million employees, and as of the fifteenth of April the figures out to eighty six thousand employees. Lawyers about forty eight and a half substantial thirty seven thousand small and five point nine eight six million employees now that was a dial soa guy Michael during the six six that's huge. Look the county the population caulk rolling. So I think coming on board the right about eight to nine hundred employees at day. It's always starting up by ten thousand every couple of weeks. So we'll be really pleased with help people have got on board. I've pretty much from about Faber. This is obviously wants people got back from Christmas, more or less. It was given that was would that. That was a real rule booed for with small Soviet saying obviously was. But just the numbers have been really really happy with the take-up. That's good. All right. Well, let's straight into questions that thank you to live. You who submitted questions are that through the weapon on the twenty seventh of March and that recording instill available through our website, or what people they mount as since through podcast at text, Bantu dot com dot AU. So I'm not can order kickoff with the question from eighth and agencies questions. I'm going to expect to you, Michael. And we'll get a response. So Christians to pats. If an entity has onto four closely held pays say mound, dad and teach children working in the business. I believe they can report on a quarterly basis. My question is how do they report on a quarterly basis that is chemist continue to report vine their bass w one and w two and if so how long can I continue to this fall? And thanks for the question a couple of points. They so. The small businesses and made him with holders Dobie reporting via the best because that's facilitating their payment touch payroll as separate report to the best. And it said the employee level of the today, Texan superannuation position. So that was still native complain their badge quarter with their mouths. So so we can record the amounts on their account now with reporting quarterly there are a couple of solutions we understand that have come into the market like a reporting solution for agents who want to report quality. So this is where you've done your calculations and you just into them into reporting solution, and that gets entry to the Joe or alternatively if you're using payroll software, you can either do like a one accordingly payroll or you'll be out to do all you pay runs in descend them all through by the date for your best. So we'll call reporting the due date is the date of your best. And if there was an extended date on the best IHO agent because of that eletronic Lutchman. You would allow the extend dates? Correct concept is it allies say you're right into your best. So no point making you go into us understand without getting into any commercial names. You mentioned that there would be a solution available where I could just upload the relevant Daschel without actually being a full payroll solution do not that's one solution of their multiple there is there are some in the market and this more in development, very good. Actually that answers your question onto lane and writings asked about small closely held pays and this number questions is the stock dight delay of one July twenty twenty automatically applied or do. We need to apply for that concession. You don't need to apply that you need to notify us of who the closely held pays. So just in the process now will developing a form so you can send through that data's worth. And to be clear that something that applies for the period, July nineteen to one July twenty twenty or talking about notifying the effectively from the period one July twenty onwards for the one period one July twenty onwards, I saw an exemption. You can so facility so against the exemption, but obviously will be that will have to come out before one July next year. So that we know in advance who's taking that quarterly option for close to heads, very good. If you can this is all set for my lane if you can fix errors on Bess w one w two labels. How does it and I which in play the correction relates to with actually mean to me as Taipei report? That's a great question. So the answer, we don't know. But that's the design. So the design is that itself at the employee level. So correct. So when you fix up your payroll you just throw in the next report. So if you do need to adjustment on the best we may say a small discrepancy between the employee level and the what's in the bath. Because we won't see that adjustment. The employer. L systems and are looking for discrepancies recognize that. So they never doing a hard match on a quarter by quarter basis. Obviously at the end of the financial year when you fine lies everybody, we can look back and do a reconciliation though, we've got tolerances built-in. So that we don't we don't pick up a discrepancy throughout the year to the next if there was era or mismatch few like misalignment between what's on the best in a given quarter. And what the airports telling you through the debate figgers, it'd be more concerned if at year end, that's so so we recognize it this highly likely to be slight variations, obviously, it's like twenty thousand dollars. We won't give you go. But if it's something this with the normal correction of payroll, we wouldn't be coming to talk to you about that just the system is designed also for my lane has the finalization declaration g by fourteen July been extended to fourteen August, Pepsi could just quickly revisit the dates rule of this because everyone's accustomed to the fourteen July payment, summary and. Then the pace on the payment summary annual report g by fourteen August, that's why. So under the law. The diaper is the fourth of July two that aligns with when you would traditionally give your employee's the payment summaries on there is no peace under steep eight. Because we do that through recipe report recognizing that especially for the transition employs would need some additional time coming from forty eighth of August. For this financial year for those who have started reporting, we've given to the thirty first of July an for substantial employees that income for two the fourteenth of July next year. I would just in the process of finalizing the full of small businesses starting on July. This you expectation is that will mirror what we've just done now, which is the thirty first of July. Right. So that would be one of transitional reporting headline and then beyond that, it'd be back to four hundred dollars. Great. All right. So I'm Debbie and Debbie has asked by wind. We need to apply for the concession for the closely hill pays and this is a very good question. It's just understand pep some trickle the concession. That is referring to one that we talked about an hour. Not they will be top exemption for the closely held pays to one July twenty twenty beyond that the concession is that you will be able to apply for Kodaly reporting ongoing basis, but they will be a payment g of record at making a reasonable. Estimate of what the bait by winwood an employee to apply for this. So we just finalizing all of the guidance on that. But the expectation is that you would have happened to the thirty fifth June next year victory before the start of the financial year that'll allow everyone to go to their accountant for this next text on usually that's sort of favorites. Route to sort of may timeframe so part of that you should be in setting up your own you'll customers with close held employees for the next financial year really saying gene, twenty twenty two more compliant seasons, and I'm including the current young. And as part of that for the advises to sit down with their clients and can't do we want to apply this conceptual reasonable, okay onto van and then is asked with closely he'll pays NATO ply, the exemption or automatic. So this almost telling some of the previous questions, but again, something that is going to be automatically available to closely held employ. Or is it going to be on -plication only? So a Matic as and as I said earlier, it's just that we need to be notified for when people move into the into the coli reported. So obviously, we're not that stops us having expectation that we're going to see payday reporting for those employees. So to be clear, it's automatic exemption for the nineteen twenty financial, but they would need to apply for ongoing quarterly reporting from under lights, okay? For those. This is still from van from nineteen exemption. Do they continue the pay wind g withholding summaries the summer? So if you're exempt from his teepee, you fall back into the existing system of payment summaries payment summary reports, very good. What happens if the software providers get hacked or lose information Vira fire at the premises so dramatic then but tumbling eloquence as look. We can only do what we can do. We don't control the sulfate develops. But while we do what we have put in place with the is putting place what we call the operational framework for software, developers, which means that they need to go through a whole range of audits around the information security, when those Dodi backups, etc. And unless they pass through that we don't actually what this them to actually be able to connect to services. So we've done due diligence that have got the appropriate. Protections in place. But again, it's always buyer beware in the market. So you know, just that people do their own due diligence before they buy product. This is just my question. Michael, I'm thinking employer. He does have an IT shoe. So they might be a hack that might be virus? So some problem where basically the system breaks down would that have to go to the and be able to get to a copy of the data all the reports that have been central ready with the system reconstructing Ignace at the my, but we don't have services which allow you to draw back down the that you've Santon is. We are looking at whether we need to build that in the future. But obviously in the case of an emergency or disaster. Just people reach out to the for assistance. And there's always things that we can do to help people. I had one of these disaster fix. Okay. That is another question. Do you need to report ATP? So this is the limitation payments virus teepee, you only specific Rachael? They're two types of pays there on the left benefits and the benefits. So can you slid into his different traits so with so the different if it's subject to withholding there's no requirement to report. So that's an optional feature. That's right, people just configured to send stuff very that will country. There's no requirement to report that certainly the regular termination parents some later employment yet still alive and kicking the be through as to know and jeeze if the person needs even through the techs tune is generally the report. All right. Maybe not to jam Mary. What about reporting for micro employers with only closely held employees is correct? They don't need to do anything until one July twenty twenty that is correct other than if you wanna take up the coli reporting to notify us before the one July that you go to do Cooley reporting from one July twenty twenty okay, how do they notify my Christian netting generate. So there's an existing certification for the current closely held exemption, so we're looking at whether we just adjust that one too because Carney Sony of the level because it's today's where everybody's closely held one of the changes. We've brought in is the the concession will be for any closely. Help small employees. So we'll be updating that form, and it'd be less through the poodle or actually seven. Okay, also generate if I sit up software today motor start reporting straightaway. Will I have to enter all the pay history into the software. That's a good question. That's an excellent question. So the way that we've designed to pay victory. We've allowed a lot of choice. So sometimes the choices taken by the software developer, but sometimes I've had the the employer to make that choice. So in this stances, if you moved into software halfway through the year, you got to Joyce's when you can bring you today's figures in and just start reporting that is no payment summaries or terminally you can just start in the payroll operate from zero and then you would have to payment summary for the other part of the year. Okay. So there's abilities to how you come on. Origin Nimesh is asked a question about closely held pays if we run they Pero fortnightly basis can the software report on a quarterly basis. Oh, that's really interesting questions probably going on that in a couple of days. So thickly if your payroll is generating unity report, a big question why you would wait till the end of the quarter December lights three if you're running some also with doesn't is an SAP compatible. If you qualify for that quarterly reporting concession, there's nothing stopping you from going into that model suggests that if you've got payroll software, and it's concretely stay reports it's much easier and more straight to report on the payday because it's literally another click the button at the end of the process in the words of the session sport and company. Just do it. Adam has asked if amounts reported at w one and w two on the best diet much the payroll system, what needs to be done given Tapei reporting campy backdated. So again, I think this is seamless early question. There's a break mission that the employees are always corrected rolling forward that this highly likely to be some matches quarter by quarter of is the end of the year when you do you interview finalize ation and reconciliations that should over the whole year. So we went to we won't be doing hard reconciliations month by month or quarter-by-quarter. We don't be looking at with very big variances, which is obviously something missing all gone wrong. So ask the question. What needs to be done ikat trying to pay report say put the correct figure on the best? And this reports somehow catch up his because he's big about it. And you don't get his and his is in your book Aibo your agent, and I do the reconciliation of the air. You can't go back. Six weeks. So you go into your payroll system made the correction that updates the dates and that just gets picked up in the next payroll of it. So there's always that timing difference. But that's part of the design of the system. So we expect to see that. Okay. Also from Adam will tech science able to submit an amended finalization declaration, similar twin amended pace off the payment summary report, should they be reconciliation discrepancies with wages and super found after the fourth of July. Yes, how to make these amendments with we're holding the system opened for five years though, expecting the most people will find most mistakes and they're five period. All right question that I have put t- privately in consultation discussions, but Alaska publicly in this forum, if you've got an individual who is a simple tax payer in terms of their on to your amendment period. Not a four year, let's say the employee funds the after year three five years to go back and change the final. Declaration to make that correct? But what happens to the employee already looked return and out of time to a mint so of victory the one push that through if it's if it's in the tech fiber, and they want to they can always come in and offer station time for period, and that's something that would be. I k so you couldn't have misalignment between the employee's, retain and the employers. If not out of times, let's classic period for the employees. It's family eatery with the issue of medically amend. Individuals return circumstances, we will if it's a credit amendment. We generally just push that out to the employees with the appropriate messaging on the notice of assessment if it's David get annoyed vacation similar to discrepancy case now with twenty dice annoyed to question over vied for their evidence. And after that will push out the amendment penalties are GI say on amendments. If it was a case where they more techs are generally in these circumstances, where the employer hasn't provided the information missing some for collusion with any penalties. Very good question from anything if you have a mixture of external and quickly help pays does concessional treatment apply. So this was actually question that twice during the webinar and came back again asked. Just confirming with a mixture of external and closely held pays water the lodgements and reporting concessions combination of the two. So so this is a little bit different to what Carney exists with a closely held exemption. So that's why Olen sorry collision. That's where all employees closely held. But under the condition applies to or closely held employees up to the up to the limit of twenty employee's. So if the station ploy, you're not you don't get the concession. But you're still required to report your arm that employee's on payday as normal, and I think it's important to point out that because the finalization declaration, and in fact, the pay events that are at the employee level dump pair employees, it is 'cause possible and in fact able that she would lodge as normal as required by the jets for your length plays. But you've got additional time to reporting from Asian for the hill pays that's correct. Okay. Question from Brian many, my car employers will have closely held pace. Am I correct in saying that it's t- people have a one July twenty twenty stop Daish? So I'm gonna pull there, and we can say yes to this. What are the practical implications for micro employs choose not to use taxation to make their estate pay requirements? So there's no obligation to use an agent. You can if you capable and comfortable in reporting yourself, you're able to take advantage of that concession. Again, there are some simplified method. So you don't have to do calculation of what you said wages is factually that we put out the goes takes you through those options. But if basically if you pay twenty five percent of your previous amounts safe hobby, which gives you up until when Tetra tend to finalize ation, and and finalize what you sell. Anyways, position recognizes that in many cases that period after your read that these amounts are determined does right. Okay. Moving onto marris. Ours is asked Hever client that wants to pay a stream weekly how will this week with this teepee? So they're actually three questions. He will hold on that one St. has no impact on when and how often you want to have to pay super guarantee. So if you want to pay weekly, you're moving entitled to do. So I have to Chevy, Michael it's a question that has been recurring in my training sessions. There are asking a we going to say real time payment of the G the G. Now, I think most people have now realized it's not a requirement at the moment. But this still this nagging concerned by many it will be forced upon them at some point. All I know government policy to do. So at the time, it was if you go back through the history of SAP, there was some consultation at the very beginning around with payments in real time. Faizal, and they'll some pretty strong feedback, especially from the small business community the government might an aspirin that they weren't going to do that. And that's the last night and this be made on it. And that was well over two years ago. Okay position is not on the gender. I'm if employer wants to have caused speak for the government. Wants to pay more frequently welcome to the mall, and there are a number of policy decide just because I like to manage their cash flow, and we. If you paying for example, not having to come back on a separate cycle to attend to the payment of the withholding the payment of the found. What we found Dudley's dimly people have got into trouble and got themselves out of trouble. They put themselves onto a regular payment plan. Just so that they don't get into trouble again. Okay. So it's still from ours is the per employee finalization declaration going to cater for closely held employees. Yes, do finalize at each employee level. And that is the one that we're going to be able to do for much day for those particular or rush still from ours. Wait is the contract employs about their requirements or is the expecting accountants and bookkeepers being taxations agents to contact clients as the initial point of contact. So the idea is contacting small employers. So you already directly directly so we've already written to the mall by the via Email of but they'll pavement it just that was the awareness. Teepees coming will be another boat mile out. I think in my about now's the time to get ready. Bowie. Also do recognize the importance that agents play especially in the small business market. Question from Julie what happens if the pay is not a regular exercise, for example, small company to directors, and they only pay themselves at the end of the tech. He after consulting with the agent. So under his teepee is any requirement to report when you make a payment subject to withholding. So the question here is about win the payment happened not win the agent or the business tone. They mind to say what a mess have. I taken out of the business that are actually during this phase Saturday wages, Pat myself twice a year at regular times are gonna Pat myself once a year in gene, there's nothing stopping metering that correct? But if you want to take advantage of the concession to be able to make judgments up until when you do your tax return for the closely held you need to do the quarterly reporting. So that's really just a case of we'll let you report quarterly. We'll let you to the declaration after year end. But we want some money from your long the way a reasonable rates tonight. The yes, it's going to be some collision. Julie's question continues. What happens if someone works a casual employees based on a time sheet and presents the time sheet for payment every quarter to the employees not going to send apart and trade by these because the notion that you've got someone working for you casually? But then they get paid. Once a Coulter, it seems very long period of time. I don't wanna question what's happening conditionally. But how would that work in? If you only pay someone corley don't here. Very happy. Too often. That's the payment that subject to withholding. That's the reports are the only be a quarterly report to my mind questioning if you had casualwear because where the might be three months way been cried every week. And then I'm thinking classic seasonal where it goes quiet for months to and then they come back on if there's nothing to report they still have to lodge t Pero zero values than reporting where you might have payment. Okay. Just what you made a payment not whether you done withholding. So if the payment is to license below the tax free throws. Yes. It's doing needs to be reported. So if there's no actual withholding still been withholding event. Yes. Even if the holding about ten that zero onto that calculation which would have to report. Okay. Elizabeth has asked what happens Mahal series of questions here on seasonal and casualwear because what happens when you have regular payroll, for example, fans shares once or twice a year. Excellent question and Roman we said no room discussing this late just a week ago. Three D soil away pulling together our approach. This concept to save melody has come up quite a bit. What we look into come up with a practical solution most likely we allow these people to move into a poorly reporting I in extreme circumstances exemptions. But given that they've got to withhold and report and pay with their best feeling in the moment is the most appropriate would be that that would be a quarterly report. But we still a little bit more work to do just to. Did a lot of data on that that should be coming fairly sign rush? So this now asking what about employees who are not working with a closely Hild employer, and then not on a regular pay cycles already phrase that we've got employees that are length about the not on a regular high cycle. So again, the reporting is driven off in the payments might so you would have a regular reporting. What we have done India's teepee design is the way you gotta Anna sokoll payments. So we've got a regular fortnightly pay cycle or weekly pay sokoll, and you make payments. Of payday you could vote as forward into that. I'm regular price Arkell. Okay. Crazy has asked what about seasonal workers working the agricultural industry? Humanely wet for couple of weeks, but a not a micro employees. So they'll be a seeming five to nine teen could be substantial other any concessions available within not my car. But it's still seasonal. So I think this goes back to a couple of questions motivate. So we just look into finalizing how we can do with these seasonal workforce. All what we call like an accidental employer with something happened. You've got to bring someone in for a couple of weeks. Do you want them to go through the whole process of setting payroll payday reporting? In the most guys I think where we tend to go to that's more likely to be a Cawley reporting requirement. But again, we're just finalizing that Arash Alice has asked what happens if a small business has only one employee working Pat time, do they still need to report Estee patriot. This software, I'm neither can use zero that still cost Hinduism month. So. Through. Yes, they do. Everybody's Estee unless you get an exemption. It might fall into this concept of especially if they read hop the might fall into this accidental concert that was to formalize definitions on but also point people toil small business local solutions register in a website. They're awesome free products out there in the market that do four payroll for a couple of employees zero cost zero cost you're interested in looking at that list is available at HBO dot gov dot AU forward slash is teepee solutions. That's forward slash is teepee solutions. And I was quite impressed. I've gotta say Michael I didn't realize 'til about a week ago faint involved with these Tapei consultation for three us. Now. The list of these low cost of Nikon solutions, basically recycling refreshing over which yes for this favoritism given to the business of the top of the list of reject the one at the bottom of the day. We do at least we get asked the question. What's the ordering? So is random today often updates? Every time. We update at least monthly okay? Very okay question. I want to throw she this actually came up today in one of my training sessions. What if you're on the coach reporting concession for the question held pays lodging? According to report you doing raise the ballista mish. And then after your end, you change your mind. So in other words, we might be paying us ills celery away or Drake disfavor. But we've decided we don't want to do that. Now, we want to trust his tribunal pay dividend and not those would be subject to t- pay reporting. And of course, withholding. What would they do in that situation with actually submitted the reports during the year paid the quarterly amounts on the reasonable Listach? And then post your in decide now that's not what I want to do because as decisions can happen as Todd your end discussion with the attack side. So given that we allow people up until they lost their tax return to to do their finalize Asian. If they went down two zero they would be our to do that finalize Asian zero circumstance that have to go back and revise it. Basil's? For the withholding has to be refunded. So in that case would end up with the ability to vary the finalize ation dent zero. But they'd be a buzzy variation of the buses and Uber Cup the for that. So he just wanted to know more as revision process, Elizabeth this is a different Elizabeth to the previous one. I refrigerate. So fourteen July is the the final decoration is ordinarily jute and her Christian is at doesn't give enough time when small employers are relying on the taxation to the accountant to reconsult payroll for the year. Now, I think we need to be clear what we're looking at. If we're saying closely held pays they can apply calls for the extension until lodgements day, assuming you're non under that concession. You're a micro employ a one to four employees or I'm going to call it a small generally up to nine hundred employees. How do you respond to that? Because I enjoy lie is a short timeframe, but Niger Cosette head to do that. Anyway, all these years by four July haven't summaries decision to pick the fourteenth of July because that's the date that people they payment summaries. And now you need that s TV phone was Asian to have. So did you do your tax return, but it isn't approved form. So there is an opportunity for people to ask for additional time with Neetu all that can amend it subsequently, subsequently they. There is an online deferral an exemption tool which will allow you to make an application online for digital time to finalize Asian just everyone's clear. How did I find that online application for so in both the business portal or the services fighters? Okay. Next question is from Irina Irena apologies. If I've got that pronounciation incorrect, if we had to start reporting unto S T pain now, so let's say we're talking April what we still be required issue payment summaries for the year, ending June thirty twenty nine teen to catch the payroll amounts not reported on the pain till now, that's a really good question. That is a great question. So it's an interesting. I'm gonna say it depends depends on your solution. So the waste designed because she had to date reporting. If you bring in the today figures, then there's no need to go back and do payment summaries. So it's only for information that doesn't come in through as you would have to do. Payment summary for what we've seen is most of the major packages are bringing you today as we spoke about earlier, we've got hundreds of businesses dieting every day, Eric speculation is that I want be doing payment summaries. I'll just bring in the balanced critical point and employs still getting this wrong. In some cases, if you do issue payment summary for pot year before you interest, he paid do not report those figures through its t pay or you'll be doubling that person's coming. Arena has also asked the small and micro employees being educated by the regarding t pay including the reporting solutions. So a lot of education. We do a lot of women is available on our website. Also, these sort of events in a lot of public events. And as I said before we riding to businesses stack of stuff on our website. In regards to the reporting solutions, we don't endorse any particular product agnostic to those on the list. So there is the opportunity for I think for yourself or for your right to help you to do some due diligence. But there's a whole suite of products. They to meet you as from from firing apps three to four payroll through two simple reporting solutions. Okay, alley has asked my questions in regards to making adjustments after the financially has ended if it's been more than fourteen days since the last pay run, what would be the correct process. So where are you making an adjustment of the financial year? I think the easiest way to describe that is exactly the same as you would do now with the payment summary, but do you report it through estate pay as a as a revitalization of or amended finalization rather than a minimum payment summary? So God is that you should notify us within forty days of finding the air. And that's basically the process just save is what you do now, but through the payment summary, so next question is from Chris is any is t pay reporting instantly accessible via my and the Texas portal instantly is second Christian. So how quickly once the reports minute. Does it appear at the end. And then, of course, thin get preferable drop down into my Galvan and taxation portal, wouldn't I wouldn't say instantly, but it's pretty quick. So I think the largest fall we've loaded is forty thousand employees, and that took two hours most full employers that was Bogan to half a dozen or even twenty or thirty by the time I've logged out of his near St. pay and in a motive logged into the portal, it's the so that putting words in your mouth, it would settling within hours and probably within units in most cases. Yes, I just think just warning when we get to text on those first two weeks of July. Expected to be a little bit slow just because of the huge drying where all the private health funds. Alighting information, all the Medicare, etc. Comes through. But we expect to twenty four hours to forty eight at the worst. Michelle has asked is a possible for the provide us with a client list of all Weiji with holders and preferably listed with holders who already reporting under single touch payroll. We've contacted the Asia and the solution may gave us was to run a report of Ed GST register clients, but then that leaves us to work through whether they withhold as well. The news that question so happy decided yes, we've listened. And we're in the process of pulling together a mile out. A think that I heard of the last couple of days for the fifteenth of my for that to go out for that to go out, and that will be a full list of all of your Weiji registered ABN's attached to you agent number and whether they are not reporting. In some cases, they may be a registered with holda. But then everybody jumped into his t- patriots agent or by themselves without talking to. So that this will be very very heavy. Amanda has asked will it really catch the employers during the wrong thing it people are outside the system. Now, they want suddenly decide to do is tape answer to that question is usually turn that around. If we see someone reporting through his teepee that gives us comfort the dugout processes and systems in place to manage the text face for them, and their employees is actually those around the system. So it's actually about not being Eunice teepee. You bring your tension to yourself. Okay. Margin has asked does teepee apply to CPA funds which pay pensions from which tax needs to be withheld? That is a good question. That is a good question. And the answer is not is not quite simply say professor out of scope for the employees there in Skype for this nation payments. They're out of Skype. It comes back to the history around the way payroll is that we really designed around. What's a typical payment made out of a typical payroll system, so granulation funds pay their pensions out of the they normal registers, etc. So they don't use payroll to pay soup pigeons. Peps another I've expressing it is is tape is not designed to catch every withholding amount interest. It's designed to catch a pay Weiji withholding from -ployees is okay. Deborah has asked slide seventeen employer view. So this is just a reference for those of you want to go back to your slides. There is an extract of issue online question is what is the registered agent number is. Is it a tech side number, and if not what we're distraction is required. And by whom so it is a registered agent number. The reason we use that RAV Intech sage number is because as agents are also entitled to two largest airports manage withholding behalf of employers. So it's generic this technology registered agent Maine's best auto. That's right. Okay. That's an easy one. But there's an expectation that you should if you running payroll and do calculations or lodging on behalf of a business. You should be a registered agent are the tax Orbis and tax partition sports going to be interested in that people are not providing services when they put out guidance over the last few years our payroll providers, whether they should be registered or not also from Deborah if report super threes t pay do we also need to report super through the portal. A thing mobbing getting touch there is unpaid you report through s t p you'll sink a liability. So that's the amount that you should be paying that. Generally, what you put on your employees payslip? Again as deep as reporting not payments. So if you're referring to paying super through the clearinghouse, you can continue to do that. Or if you just continue to pay super how you doing it now. So whether you're using sweeper stream solution straight to to the funds all whether you're going through the small business clearinghouse you continue to do that. I don't question does the super show. What is being paid? Also, what has been a crude N what is out standing? So I just clarifying exactly what does get shown in relation to. So from the tach Pero view, we will show the employees what has occurred from the employer again that that really relates to Watson pay payslip so year tonight figure separately the superannuation funds onto what we call Matt's member account transaction services, a now reporting payments in near real time. So you continue to pay the Superfund the report that to the show we have another screen. That's just coming in March where an employee can go in and say all of the contributions from all from every way, not just from employs the contributions as well way. They look at those two pieces of information in Dada. Dada analytics to look for shortfalls. Okay. So I with the questions from Joseph. We'll sip a contributions for the clearinghouse. So we're not changing payment arrangement changed to buy Mirages. Okay. So just if the answer to that one is known John has asked what happens when a Pat time employee salary sacrifices all they pay to superannuation every pay period. So nice celery. But it's now also sexy. So I wonder the current rules. If you saw fuss all of your your income. You don't actually have an amount subject to withholding. So there's no teepee reporting requirement that may require you to report a risk them out under St. pe-. You can do that at the end of the year or you can do each payday a lot of configured for for super sacrifice to actually to the risk every day because it's in the payroll system. So that means there's no salary being paid for this ordinary times endings on which is Jay would be payable either. So it's all cell sack. That's correct. There wasn't amendment before palm to change the calculation of IT for super guarantee. But obviously with the calling of the election all bills of laps that measure has lapsed. Yes. Next question is from Jennifer has the verified the software developers and providers security reasons. So Jennifer asking about the Vichy prices instead of a case to breathe on. Those software developers are also developers have to go through our operational framework process that doesn't involve security vetting by need to get an I rep says -ment or twenty seven hundred one on that one. But now I'm recorded, but I do need to go through security vetting. Okay. That they need to major criteria that you'll be when the developing software that's wrong. Okay. I think it's also with many of the as part of the low cost of no call solutions that have been offered to the market and still being developed the issue has been conducting site visits. So actually, go out to the software developers. They look at the software that look at the app, they look at the solution until say how does this work, and how long does it take me to do it? So you're actually going through that process sleeves rolled up. So if you go back to the criteria wasn't just ten dollars. There was a few other criteria one that it was a full into insulation. So you could take it onto something else that say you can payroll for nine dollars if you buy something from fifty dollars. But it was that big easy to use. Repeatable set up in a number of minutes says a few criteria. So we really are to do diligence that pay would just can't get on the list just by sending in their names. Very good question. Jennifer all side, if you transition from a micro employer Cy foreign plays to five employees. Is there any transitional is there any transitional relief available to ensure the software updates etc. Can be implemented. Great question, we've discussed this again just last week. So if you're taking advantage of the quarterly reporting for the first two years because you're a micro employer. We only going to assist you on the day that to apply. So if you go four employee's on the day that you that you as the agent notifies that you want to do that for your client you ring for the first two years. So we're not looking to people in and out if they go to five or six, and then drop back down for that said that could be softened, limitations. So the software you bought, particularly if it's a low cost or no cost may restrict you from getting fifty employees. And so you may be forced onto a different software solution or to the paint vision are higher cost solution because you never plays up. That it wouldn't change the range -ment that the employer has with the for that quarterly. So that's gain. That's that's the commercial arrangement between the customer. And the software developer next question is from Kylie can you please vise? If we start now on his teepee will on age payment summary for twenty nine that is eighteen nine for the period when they're not on his Tapie. Okay. So again, just reader, right? I think we've had similar questions if you bring on your today's for your employees report, those through is- DP, you don't have to payment summary, but if you start through the from zero you tonight, you would need to go back and do payment summaries for those parts not reported through US TV all right now. Probably the most interesting questions has been sent in by Lisa and Lisa you've been good enough to actually send us a screen shot of the Mike Gaba cat looks like so I think he probably adding that to us questions used to different software applications in my central's and my account, right? Plus this financial year this resulted in to showing. Employee Mike of accounts one being for the fifth software today from July to Simba and the second bang the sick and today running from July to current effectively, adding the fist six months to the entire to date. How do we get rid of the first six months with Kennedy deleted? So what's happened is she one software package for six months, then she's gone to the second software package. And that's Ray reporter, what was already reported through the Vissel package. Kennedy at that screen Shash same employer. But one figure is larger than the other because it includes cart DACA running up to April. But basically also includes the daughter that was already reported. That's right. So what do they do? So will you change your software halfway through the game? Some of this depends on what you Mike. So if you to move to a new software and start from zero you would need to leave that amount. They talking's not extra so require the zero not not. But if you bring across do Margraten of the date figures, you do need to back out those original figures, and you do that throwing up event in your original software. So Felisa here on suggests that she should talk to a provider about how to how to be out to do that. If she does have any difficulties than not just give the call. So that we can have a look at that problem say she's using mild for by kind to a different company as in mild two zero for example, so really should be. Zeroing out the reports that already seventeen for the July December period and then just rely on the card software package for the holiday today. Let's curriculum. Okay. So I actually question so has asked accounting process payroll Fatu, unrelated stuff that paid on weekly basis at the moment as the mass of the payment do not change. I settle these up my canting package in advance for six month period. The weekly pies is set up as a direct dish which process is older. Mash. Cly internet banking under a steep pay. Well, I still be able to sit the accounting for the payroll in advance. Or will I now need to guard to weekly processing for those pace. How does it work people on holidays and not around to prices the pace? So I suppose again, just radio S T as a reporting obligation. It doesn't change when you pay the Owen how you pay your staff. So she wants to shed your six months in advance through banking system. That's fine. That's correct. But because you are paying every wait. There is an SAP reporting Gatien on each of those paid is. So if you've got a payroll software again that would just be around reporting as you run the payroll subway onto that question about payment in advance. We've had this question quite a few times, especially around Christmas time when people quite often run a couple of pay runs and forward Dayton them. You can't stay p report at any time up to the the system doesn't stop you off to obviously you light under the law, but you can lodge before you're going to have to wait until the night to lodge, theoretically, I wouldn't suggest she does this. But she could sit down and do all the tape era fought for the next six months in one hitch and the just allow the pay to go through physically over the next six months, that's trading. Yes. Adjustments needed in the interim, particularly from employees to departs the main time. Okay. So again, so that addresses your question Margie has asked I'm frequently asked what happens where clients will be a way to feature dight the payment of the parents. We're gonna be hitting this Christian. Maybe estimates have directive it set up in their internet banking for regular salary based on payments that don't change will the NGO except pay events that our future dated in the payroll system would love to hear data clarification on these topics. So again, yes, we quite happy to receive reports early. Most reports nearly the much more enjoyed them getting early the lighter. So there's nothing to stop you. If you run your payroll advance, and as the classic we keep hearing about is the holiday read, there's nothing to stop sending nicer just using the bike reports ru but have the future diet. So the Bank doesn't prices the payments until the to the appropriate payday. Okay. Nicole has caused timing and payment of bonuses. I call this an cycle payments. You might have a fortnightly pay. And then you pay someone a bye in between the normal cycle. What happens? So again mentioned ODI under guidance. If you go to add a sokoll payments, you can roll that forward into the next regular payments with OB weekly or monthly for that employees. That said a lot of pace is set up now to just generate a NIST report. So when you generate the banking file it will generate yesterday p report at the same time, you could do it out of cycle pay event at the time the biases paid. That's right. So came depends on how you you yourself ways configured. So we've given the choice. Many choices be taken by the software developer and taken away from the because of complexity, but they'd be nothing wrong with inviting to the next novel paychecks to that report a lot of issues of being still from the call about how to manage personal services income within the tape pay environment. So so. Because of its nature is generally out of scope for US TV because it's not it's not a payment as such subjects. It's a it's a notional calculation for one of a better description, data dive into this fun because for those that have pistol services income being derived in typically an into the company or trust. There are two miles. You can handle it. You cannot paying self seller. Wage within fourteen days of that pay period, and that would generate a pay Jay, withholding Gatien aren't just cool that Bonilla salaries and wages, and that would then give rise to a payment and is reporting. If however they don't do any salaries wages or to a full amount, then it will be attributed the into the income year. And look say Michael this is still a really pulling complied with area. So let's assume that you're not doing any salaries wages the accountants will always correctly tribute that amount in the tax return of the individual. But of gotta sites rare that I say withholding being paid on the attributed Paige Cy and that he's actually illegal ablation to more than twenty five thousand withholding. It's a monthly publication as a medium withhold on. So I think the point is if you're doing a proper celery, h that's normally pay Rubio's, even if it's PSI because you're paying it as a seller wage if it's a tributed Paige Cy and it's not being paid as celery wage. You've still got the quarterly or monthly withholding depending on the size. But that's now out of Skype. So that through his tape patriot. And just a little text attributed Pia side is not attract is g so if you actually don't wanting mos- on costs sometimes you been doing attributed PSI actually paying the celery, my if you don't wanna pay Josh Aurenche onto a question from the coal clarification of the use of the tech sage portal to MIT requirements now before you answer that Michael I put this categorical question to John on Monday. And I stayed will you will you not allow is reporting through the portal, and he's responsible. You're gonna tell me now just just everyone. Go back and listen to John's description. We've been fairly consistent on this. We're not standing up a solution through the portal for state reporting. It's a question that has been out to repeatedly. And it's also question that nonetheless still coming up so for the record once again, everybody plays understand. There is no teepee reporting through the portal will be able to view a steeper reports, and he can say whether an employee lodged one, but you will not be able to submit the data through the portal. Michael has rights to question. Something you mentioned in the house. Let's revisit these. He said that you mentioned in the webcast. Let's not get Markle's confused, Michael. The question has asked that Michael sitting before me mentioned in the webcast that amendments to t pay can be done via the portal with the best. How would it match the amended amount to an individual's in single touch Tyrol amount? So we've got back state is possible to remained is pay via the portal using the best. Or are we going back to the W W two arguments? Everybody to the W W two. So the next calendar year, we're looking to start to roll out previously of the bands using data. But the employees or the right it's as the opportunity to to review that into make judgments, so that's when we talk about being out to make judgments you can make those adjustments to make sure you pay the right amount on time. It's through the best because the best is what record the liability but again. Any judgment at the individual level. You just do that in your payroll system and role that forward into next paid. I saw spy confu times today about how we understand the system. The way the system is designed is you will. We expect to say slight variation between what's on the Baz and what's on the individual records where every quarter we really at the end of the when that squares up. Okay. So this final question comes from June. If an employee is different payroll software applications within the same financial year. What will be shining, employee's income statement in the Mike of accounts in terms of you tonight balances, for example, an employee status Tapei reporting using one software package so in my cat. Right. Plus, then pop my through the change of suffer locations in my account rights premia, or even changes to a totally different software provider such zero when viewed by employees through the Asia Business portal, it can be saying that from July to January the employer reported pay Vince using the fist software package and the reports have initial business management software. I the Knicks part of the February two current the employer reported using the second software package. And you can say that there is a different business management software idea showing with the reports in terms of the employees will see well, let's recognize that the second motive report sent by the sick and of software fibrin to the count month as a continuation of the balance say Ye to that want to stop date to the count months you today show or will it are two different sources of income. So that long question from dream is not dissimilar to Lisa's question. That's correct. So was two percent. So at the employer level, we just show a period title for each payday. So you just if you software products through the the next payroll came in with a new idea, that's what you'd say. So sexy won't sit. There is what happens when it comes down to the individuals. Where tonight I think that goes back to the previous question if you're going to bring the dike figures across for the employees you need to zero under the original vehemence ide-. So you can carry forward to the employees will let me see one record probably step back about why we allow multiple be days. And this was because there are many employers who run more the one payroll system, the particularly the bigger employers, not even smaller employees who might have one or two shops. So they might they might have the payroll run and each at each -cation. And then if you've got someone from one location to another location. If you're only run their teeth, and in the Abyan, the overriding each other so in other income, so it's a part of the solution that we did want employers having to stitch together a single report out of multiple systems that will just be a nightmare would be. So that's why we have this concept of beam its ID. It does bring some complication where you move someone's today for one system to another system they can to back out the original through an update and zero out all those figures for them because that record disappears from their own software that you're using should be the one that has the tonight figures in your and you to the all software system of the previous system and zero that albatross zero okay, just before any questions you want to ask me that to ask you lift off. Zillow. Also, they've not only during the ashley'll. Share? Yeah. Oh, causeway review of my action big with just because of been now hundred percent answering questions they come from people in love. I love this. All the this being one to settle his share share. Yes. If those. That you won't be should be. Try to before ten pasta. In the last. The second to last. All right. Thank you, Michael. I think that was just a wonderful Pechiney to address always questions that came out of the way banana, I think it also demonstrates that. We ran the women off for an hour and a half. And it was a few minutes IVA, and it's taken us now and ask to get through all the questions that arise from the way. Banal? So look we could have run a two and a half hour banal, but that gets pretty lengthy, but that caught a platform. So I'm very grateful for coming back in a dressing questions and Bing every single one. So I think he will. Thank you, having us pleasure. So thank you listening to this episode of Tex yak if you're enjoying podcasts. Please take a moment to rate and review the show where Igwe because it will help to improve the profile of the shun if ever there was an beside suitable for sharing this is each I think this in particular, which is a fist one we've run Pilione acumen ibis every other discussion is being talking about a particular topic, and we have a compensation, but this content was older than by you, the listeners, and you. The views on our web, Anna. So thank you told of you sitting in your questions, I think it'll be wonderful that beside to share with everybody. Hi, it's ice time. Let's talk about estate paying for the next few days. You can listen to this lawyer, relaxing, if you like to connect with this on social media, and let us know what she think all suggest feature topics or speakers, you'll find some team and Twitter, but we can Email us at podcast at text, Banta dot com dot AU. 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AEE Bonus: Chisakos Story- How to Find a New Version of Yourself in English

All Ears English Podcast | Real English Vocabulary | Conversation | American Culture

13:17 min | 1 year ago

AEE Bonus: Chisakos Story- How to Find a New Version of Yourself in English

"This is an all ears English bonus episode. She SoKo story how to find a new version of yourself in English. Welcome to the all ears English podcast downloaded more than fifty million times. We believe in connection not perfection with your American hosts Lindsey McMahon the English adventure. And Michelle Kaplan, the New York radio girl coming to you from Boston and New York City u s a and to get your transcripts delivered by Email every week. Go to all ears English dot com forward slash subscribe. Is it possible to find a new version of yourself when you speak English it is and today, we have cheese SoKo on the show to show us. How her experience that Tokyo power English weekend helped her do that listening today? Hello, g SoKo. Welcome to the podcast. How are you? I low Lindsey. Thank you hugging. Having me here. I go Naito. Welcome welcome. I'm so excited to have your voice on this show because you have been working with us behind the scenes to organize these Tokyo, power English weekends. But we want to talk to you today. Get to know you a little bit. She SoKo as a listener of all ears English as an and as an English learner. So she saw go how long have you been learning English? Oh over ten years. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Time. I am learning English. Let it entry. But still I learning. Awesome. I love that. And what do you do for work? Tell us about your job because I know you have a really interesting career about that. Okay. Thank you very much. So I've been working for Japanese IT company, and though them, you know, to global business division, and we provide IT services and solutions to enter fly clients on global scale. So we have lots of subsidies and offices all over the world such as one of the cities in over forty country, so lousy. Yeah. That's yeah. So do you have to travel for work for your job on? Yes. Sometimes the Malaysia and the room. Yes. While that is so cool so business divisions have boats our subsidies to accelerate. Go business such as marketing, enchanted, center dialect sales support. So I oh for us English at work. And I am learning English. Along the way I noticed that there is a limit to what I can learn from tickets to fix so I so I need to launch from natural composition. So I'm listening Oli as English podcast in it helped me to understand flays of natural compensation. It's really useful. I'm so excited to hear that how long have you been a listener of all ears English, then I both three years ago. Yeah. Both three years. Okay. It's been a long time. And that so is that why you joined us last year in the in the native English power weekend to sokoll because of your Inc for work. Or is it mostly because you wanted to improve your English for work business. I mostly I want to improve his whole business. But also, I want to implode my English to listen, more, inflammation, global so. Okay. Yeah. I'm listening pulled casts and also what would chain YouTube. In english. Okay. Awesome. So what would you say is your single biggest challenge, then with your English? Is it you said the listening skills, or is it just information or what is it then mindless challenge are ruined city and the spontaneous response and the vocabulary. Ooh. Those are three big ones three pick once. Okay. Yeah. And tell me a little bit about so first of all I want to say a big huge. Thank you to you. And also too. I she knows Ockie for your help organizing cause you to or behind the scenes helping us to organize a little bit of the native English power weekend last year and this year. So a big thank you to you to SoKo. Yeah. Have also happy ticipal to and the really excited to support in organized events much once thinking that would unity. Absolutely, absolutely. So tell me a little bit. So well, you are helping us organize. You were helping us take photos and get everything set up. You're also taking part in the activities a little bit, right? You are talking with the native speakers, you are in the immersion course. So tell me a little bit about that experience. Like, how would you say that the program helped you she Sako? On so I joined as a student ambassador. So I tried to be a good on busted as much as possible. So try to connect the student. It's -tudents and the organizers the event venue and scheduling and monitoring schedule by the mostly I really enjoyed myself as I joined as a student. Yeah. So before I even I am also the student didn't still learning ingress. So before are joined event, I was a little bit nervous to speak increase in. Also, I Nicole said they host in mind what I'm going to explain in notice bulletin. Yes. But the head of the event why less phones have been dramatically improved and forget to Albers. Why why do you think that happened? Why do you think you had that change that shift? Yeah. Maybe the real compensation and the focused one hundred focused the event, so I really enjoyed myself, and I could focus on one hundred percent into English word visiting this week. It was such a fun time, and then increased include including the live podcast coating intensity that native English. Imagine course and one quantity and is echo party. Right. That was so fun, which part, do you think did you think was the most fun which part of the entire weekend? I mean, the whole weekend was fun. Right. But which one did you what did you like the best? Yeah. Difficult question that all wonderful, and I love Lindsey and discounts philosopy and of possibility, but he's a party also the crate interact with such events. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you should too that that I I liked a worm session. So find someone food right after gently into the room. We studied warm have session, we had lively conversation, and intellectual so much. So we could get each other weaker get to know each other and catch up so quickly. Yeah. That's a really good point. A few students have said that they loved that. I activity in the immersion morning course, where we had all the students in every level and all the native speakers all there in the same room. How was that for you? Because you were look you're looking around going around the room talking to different people, not just students, but native speakers right away that feel in the beginning for you. He was so so interesting so wizened just fifty minutes or so, but the talked a lot so over twenty people. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Interesting. And we couldn't get to know the many new things that who is who is who in the who have a. Yeah. Interesting experience. Yes. Yes. Did you find it difficult to understand the native speakers because they were coming from all over the world on those so much? I didn't feel any difficulty to to communicate with natives. That's amazing. That's amazing. That's so great because they did have different accents British American. Australian it was across the board maybe because of the positive attitude of other natives. Yeah, now, that's true. Well, what about your vocabulary because you said that vocabulary is one of your big goal? So how did your vocabulary? Did we do you? Remember any activities that we did around vocabulary in the program? Yes, we have many of titties anything new book cavalry. So food sound for the telephone coversation. Oso the will speed they think. Oh, yeah. That was fun. Yeah. And those the last two station. Now's enduring creating drama tippety. That was interesting. Yeah. The drama lab is now famous in the English community a lot of people know about it. And they love it. There was a lot of laughter. What was the skit that you are doing do you? Remember? Maybe to tie. The our group is used the Wardell time to heat the road heat the rolls. Oh, yes. Yeah. So maybe you we had a composition and then now the time to heat the road and then going to the hospital was somewhere else. You did a great job. That's that's excellent. Yeah. The idea there is to take real native phrases idioms. And have you guys actually used them in a real situation? So that you'll remember were you able to remember some of those phrases in the last year over the year. I mean, have you been able to use them in English at work? Oh, yes. Yes. Sometimes I'll use still used a hit the road and the. Yeah, let's get this show on the road. And. That's so great. You say. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. I love it. I love it. So she's what would you say for? You was the most important thing that you learned from the whole experience of the native English power weekend. Good question. English. I taught English is language. So it's important to long language slew compensation in real communication, so Toko power English weekend was the best price to interact natives end, the English Lonard. And you get OSA experience. That was amazing. Wow, that's cool. And what about for students? We're hoping that. Some new students is here and already knew students have signed up that we didn't see last year. We are so excited to see them. But for anyone who's listening to this podcast, and they're thinking of joining right there on the fence would advice, would you give to them? She SoKo just resistor and the joined the event so that you can find your new version on the wheel sell. So see you send Japan. I love it. I love it. It's true. And people are able to come out with this positive shift in the way, they think about learning English, and we are so excited to do that again this year do SoKo and you're going to be in the program again this year really excited to help you move even further forward with your English in may. Yes, I'm really excited to join the event and disappointing events. Yes. Awesome. And thanks in advance for all your help with everything. She saw go and a right. So thanks for coming on the show today. This has been great. Thank you. We'll see you soon. Take care and thank you season by guys if you want to see the same results that she Salko saw from the Tokyo power English weekend. Then go right now to grab your ticket because space is running out. Go to all ears English dot com forward slash Japan. That's all ears English dot com forward slash Japan to grab your ticket now. And we'll see you in may. Thanks so much for listening to all ears English. 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HBM107: Carlo Surrenders

Here Be Monsters

33:05 min | 2 years ago

HBM107: Carlo Surrenders

"From KCRW. This is here. Be monsters a quick content note this episode includes talk of sex trafficking and sexual abuse. Thank you. My testimony. On friday. During the other ship. Because the subject of the fellowship was on. Baba sokoll. Sabino? Surrendering your life. I told them that. I used to work at a residential treatment facility for abused neglected children. That I thought that. I was raised in such a good home. Which such loving parents that I could. Pass that on. To these children in need. I've seen every way. Just about every way I've seen countless ways in which a human being can hurt a child. The children would often be violent. Most often they would have been Bicknell's of rape. And in some cases, perpetrators of rape themselves. Told them that because the children were so violent. That we would often have to. Put them in physical restraints. Hold them with their own buddies. To keep them safe. They were 'cause they weren't real people. They were stories to be saved. Objects. We saved. So that I did it for five years. I told him that the average career at the center was a year because after a year. You'd have enough secondary trauma. And you'd move on do something safer, less traumatic. But I did that for five years. That I did that for a year and a half two long because after three and a half years I had burnt out. But you still word that they used Balil indicates believe means crazy. I told them that I was broken. That didn't think that I could work with children again. And I didn't think it could be a therapist because that was two broken. Told him. I went to grad school to the Seattle school of theology and psychology, not for a constant psychology degree to become therapist. But for a theology and culture degree. To find myself. One of my first classes, I heard the professor talking about hope in how hope will invite us into more pain. How hope will kill us in the end. Not the most cheerful thing to say. But something very important for somebody who wants to be therapist to here. And this prompted me to look up into the rafters. And ask Lord. What would be the hardest thing would ever possibly ask me to do. I got a verbal answer in my head. I heard someone say. Maybe you should work with sexually traffic girls in the Philippines. My first reaction honest to God was fuck you. Why would you say such a thing? How could you ask me to such a hard thing me? I'm broken. I'm done. I had not gone back to the Philippines in over fifteen years. That had no plans to go back to the Philippines. I no knowledge about sexual trafficking or human trafficking. At that time. I didn't even know that I was a child of sexual abuse myself. How would I go back to the Philippines being so broken? Not having made anything of myself. What did they have to show? For leaving home. Here. Be monsters the podcast about what I imagined. They would be the podcast about the unknown. Director Amedee Antonio manage to make a movie about some of the country's most wanted fugitives. We didn't know where we were sending the door and they walk off smile. One. After the other. You know, very rare moment in the life of me. I mean much. Robert, Redford and Marlon Brando this week. We go underground on the document KCRW's mash up of documentaries and radio. Get it wherever fine podcasts are downloaded. Not Alice told I was special that I have responsibility to use that specialised for the country, and then I left the country. To the beano have been billing to different nations leads to make fortunes for themselves to find over -tunities that they could find here for centuries now, and basically don't come home until you've made your fort. In a felt like I gave up on being part of the future of the country. And then at star a my job was to be clarified. God through our and became an actor. And because feature was so lucrative. I had to get a day job. And my day jobs were all in the care industry. Taking care of the elderly the disabled and started working with kids had to give up on notions of becoming a professional artist though, I found that working with kits. You get to be an artist all the time. You get to tell stories all the time. Found a purpose in working with abused neglected kids. But I also burnt out really hard. And then I went to grad school. I wanted to be therapist. But I I didn't think I could because I was so what I did find was permission to become a therapist because I found that being broken actually helps your therapist. So now, I'm here in the Philippines. Working with narcotic station cups. Women are both punishable and have been prosecuted. I mean. The social worker in charge of outreach. She showed up in was asking about who. Join her. So I joined the outbreak. And me and demean would go to about and kissing avenue. I was so nervous waiting to go. I'd brought by ball. I nervously flip that around in my hands on my arms. Hi, Carlo getting to replace these batteries. Why were you afraid to do outreach? What frightened you short? Sure. I'm I was afraid to do outreach. Because. When it was I thinking about coming here, I would periodically cry. I would find myself weaving because I would be imagining the lives of the women here, and I would cry at how tragic their lives were how hungry they were how hurt they were by the world and. And then I realized that I was crying about their lives. Even if I had never met them, even if I hadn't actually experienced their humanity and. Maybe they're not assess or maybe their lives aren't exactly the way. I imagine them me who had been in the Philippines for a long time and realize that I might have not been crying for them. But for what I imagined. They would be. And. How? Arrogant that is to be like, I know what your life is going to be. And I think your life is really sad. So you're you must be tragic. It's not my place to say who they are. I mean, I didn't objectify them. I didn't want the chance to objectify them. But you know, I was called to do this. You know, I have to show up. What do you think would have happened if you had received that call from God? And understood it in the way and said, I'm not doing that. Mike calling from God. To do. This work is not. A deal. Is more of like a revelation of what I was supposed to do what I was intended to do before time before I was even created. Before the world was ever created before prostitution was ever created before abuse before hunger before poverty, I was intended to fight it fight back the darkness. However, it could. Could. When we got about that off the bus. The streets were dump because it had rained that day. As it rains most days. Puddles everywhere of black. Dark. Gross water. The filth. One of the most polluted cities in the world. And the shops and the hustle and bustle of one of the busiest intersections in the city. Came upon. Two women. One was selling candy. In cigarettes one at a time. The other woman was sitting. Holding the bag in front of her belly? Because I found out later the two was pregnant. The introduced me somebody with her. I shook the hand of the first one end offered by hand to the second one in when the second one didn't reach for my hand. I pulled it back. Awkwardly? The gave us chairs sit in plastic chairs. The nice sat behind a demean. Just sat there awkwardly looking around. Not knowing whether to look in the face the eyes. Whether it be rude. Put on a. Plastic smile. The. Thought was none threatening. We sat there for a while. Making some idle chitchat? Me just sitting there awkwardly. Until I found some kids was the daughter of the first we met. The other two were daughters of prostitutes. Well. At one point the skinny kid just ran away. Into the crowd. Nobody noticed because his mom was lying on cardboard on the sidewalk. Trying to get some sleep. They had been there for three straight days. They couldn't go home until they made some money. Those worried about the skinny. After about ten minutes of wondering. He came running back holding a chew spout. The kind you put a straw. They said that he had begged off of somebody. There's a big Roly poly, look like me. They said that we looked like father and son. There is Crawley tiny boy. The raspy. Voice. His hair tied in a tough top of his head. His limbs were. Just a skinny two of my fingers put together. They gravitated towards me and grabbed r two d two and from. Bag. Destroyed been through a lot together. I asked demean if I could if it would be all right for me to bring my ball. I have a contact juggling ball that lights up. I can flip the ball around on my arms and roll them. On my chest. And the children gleefully say. He can do magic. We found open space in front of a department store, and I proceeded to do tricks with my ball. While that dementia was stuffing to their parents. I played with children. As usual. It was easy for me to play with children. All all I need to do with child myself. The children were fascinated with how the like changed on the ball pass it to the. Have been throw it to me. I would catch the back of my hand. The all wanted to turn. But I I tried to balance the ball on the back of their hand their hands too small. In the ball was too heavy. Scrawny kid could barely hold the ball with two hands. Passing the ball. Back and forth was the best. Children. Ask their parents if they could go with me. The children said that the parents say DS. I told them. No couldn't. Should've. Tell you make friends. Yes. Their names. Too nervous. I think is I think we all defined out of our own experience. Not that we are all our God. I don't think that's true. The park of insiders that. Makes us happy makes us the most creative makes us the most loving. And that's the part of that will last forever. And. Trade away won't die. Won't mostly won't fail. We took a taxi home in the cab is started worrying at a piece of meat that was stuffing my teeth. And I had jabbed in deeper in might tooth started hurting. When I got home. It was the most painful thing in the world. In had yelled at God. Why me why? Now. Didn't I do enough? Why do I have to go through so much pain? Pounded the walls here. Stumped my feet in India? To take the pain away. Myself to sleep. Carlina car works in Kay's on city Philippines. He'll sooner turn to Seattle to finish his counseling degree at Seattle school of theology. And psychology. While working with me on this story Carlo traveled to India to attend conference hosted by the international Christian alliance on prostitution. He attended a presentation on OPEC online sexual exploitation of children and for a second time. He felt called by God. He's not sure how or where. But after graduation he intends to find work as therapist for children who've been sexually exploited online on our website. We have photos that Carla shared of Samir Tana the organization where he's been working find it at HBO podcast dot com. While you're there. Check out our store where we'll be selling a book version of our recent two part series beautiful stories about animal death, really proud of this little book, it's filled with gorgeous photos and has an amazing orange and pink cover that looks like some kind of intergalactic soup. Find it at our store HBO podcast dot com slash store. I'm Bethany Denton and produced the episode. I had lots of editing help from Jeff men. Music on the Sepah came from the black spot and circling lights here stairs is distributed by KCRW. Our senior editor there is Nick white. We get additional support for freelance contributions from KCRW's independent producer project. Thanks for listening. More episodes soon. How do you? How do we know? Each other Carla we know each other from friend group from parties. I was a roommates of some of your college, France. But since then we've become friends of our own accord, and we've even recorded a podcast together. This did full disclosure the podcast on my own circumcision. I certainly that story in a really different way these days. I certainly don't tell it for. Comedic effect. So, you know, just for context the episode that you're referring to is episode referring to is shop gets cut. I believe is. What is circumcised? Yeah joke. Good circumcised episode eight the very first episode of here be monsters that I ever produced. In. I'm Inda waiting room. And I don't know I feel a tingle not not on my penis. But just just like I'm going to change today. I'm gonna grow up today. Today is going to end with me different. And I don't know if I was afraid I don't think I was afraid I think I was expectant something. Actually, it's interesting more than more likely than not everything we're working on right now will be episode one. Oh, seven so this this'll be ninety nine episodes later. But anyway unite talked about this. I think you said something along the lines of like, I sort of cringe at the glee with which I. Yeah. I do cringe at the glee that I used to tell that story and the uncomfortable reactions of the people who heard it feels really irresponsible, and in kind of a betrayal of a very confused and scared little boy, you know, I I've been a lot nicer to twelve year old since then and. Did you know that the notion I did some study I've written about circumcision in the Philippines and seventy five percent of the people who get circumcised in the Philippines, say that the reason they get circumcised is to not be teased about not being certain sized. So it's basically toxic masculinity. That makes people. Hut there for skin off at the age of twelve. So. Shitty. Things about that. For what it's worth. And granted I'm partial because I had a hand in making that I totally while also completely hearing and. Agreeing with your assessment of like, the sort of the problematic ways in which he used to tell that story, and sort of the beats used to hit for comedic affecter, or are whatever when I think about that episode. I think about that story more what comes to mind for me than the body horror of it is the the fact that it's like one of these one of relatively few occasions that I can think of that people have to make the decision to grow up to say, I I am growing up now in this way because you know, it happens constantly, right? Like, I should say in in particularly American society in western society. It happens constantly where there little acts of agency that young people can exercise that in big ways and small ways. Our ways of serving adulthood. To me when I think about those like that was your that was a time where you asserted adulthood in a very tangible, irreversible. Very painful way. Yeah. You know, if you put it that way. I kind of think of as like, maybe every time I told that story I was asking myself to grow up, and when I finally stopped laughing at it was when I actually did grow.

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Snowfall - Saint that the truth!

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Snowfall - Saint that the truth!

"Thank you kindly for coming back to the four reference PODCASTS, black lives still matter also another tribute to John Singleton. We literally just baby boy not so long ago. This is our new segment that we a workshop being code, I'm guests me. Are you ready? I take now without any spoilers. is to think of a good topics. Sir, on the counter three I am going to guess who you would say has had the best character development in snowfall. Ready. Three two one Leon Yeah Let's get on with the sheriff. Hey. Welcome back to for your reference Gudgeon Has Katie. And keep an eye on your faithful crew, but be wary of Hansie real estate agents. This week we a diving into or feeling the effects of snowfall, all sure a delightful effects show and we recently did baby boy not so long ago it. Seems like Singleton podcast. We are a Singleton podcast aside from Lokossa dip appeal so let's quickly get into the stats. This series premiered in two thousand seventeen. It's currently sitting at three seasons. With the pandemic that is going on right now. They did stop filming, but when not really sure. When we are going a festival, get an episode of season full, and also when the full sort of season is going to finish and we've always. If you've listened to quite a lot of episodes, we do want to cover this, so we're glad that we can cover this at this time. During a pandemic, we're talking about pre crack cocaine epidemic so all of the Democrats going on maybe an ot dynamic. Kind Oh my. SO super rest. Love John Singleton also credited as the create is on MD bay. We have Dave and drawn as well as Eric Amado and with the stars the stars tate look at this does. I mean. Do we need to pay for that. Dams Idris is on my trophy case of fucking stance. He's he's in your up and coming. He's he's in my open coming right along with Daniel. Korea Stephen Yan. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, deb's is a fucking legend already. I know you fucking assholes like doing cool things that just came out must be sustained golden ledges where you can suck my i. The dams and adjust is a fucking legend, or he brings so much quality I am so glad we came across the show because those office introduction and we also saw him in Smithereens. Black meador. For those that are educated, we also have caught Hudson I John Amid Joseph and obviously obviously obviously gotta give accolades where accolades Michael Hyatt ooh Hoo. TAP TAP TAP That's a wire referenced Angeles Mama. But they are. That is a quick sorta snapshot that we have for snowfall. Let's dive into Fez Impressions. Thank you so much. Let's Union to the four year reference cost. We take kindly to your kind around whether it's the first time or many of the Times This is where we dive into I guess. In general sort first impressions about the actors about John Singleton. We've already done that already. and just how you overall. Watching this and actually diving into that. We Watch this together. For the first time we did a habit of just watching. Shows which is great, but I feel like you should have some pride because you hold me back you back down. Sometimes tune into the OT early podcasts. So yes, this time, so we we actually go to experience all the love and all the splashes together with snowfall. So what are your first impressions about this show? So it took us a while to dive into snowfall with what we started watching it. As soon as the first season finished airing. and. Those are new John. SINGLETON show all right. Let's give these sometimes time to the birth of his glasses up. His Monaco's ahead. Those John Singleton show and other time I was like yeah. We watching a lot of things at the time, and then I think it reached a point where we had nothing to. It sounds bad as We, stop is not a quality show anything like that. It's just the way we consume things now, but I think it's normal. You go with the most popular sort of accolade Dr and. Those a lot of buzz around snow falls. Especially are not not within my circles. So we love boring, TT's cycles In Wall started watching it I think we fell in love with it almost immediately, it was so clearly. John Singleton's baby, and you could see it. Yeah, the get off and. You're talking about baby boy, and how he has a thing and woodstove fall. He just he tells a story so well Oh. Yes, he he shows the struggles of of how cocaine did to the black community, and once steps going down the Rob Hall, and all the things that are getting involved with the involvement of the government in the agents, and it was just Oh, it all precipitates down and alcohol enough of it could have enough of it and the good thing about. This season wanted ended. was those such a short time? We had to wait for season two years. That's actually the best thing. Netflix's knew what it was doing with. The model of releasing a whole fucking sees over weekend. And we had such a short time to wait for the second season, which Washington weekly basis and just went. It just got stronger and stronger, and you know the interesting thing is. It was originally supposed to be a short time. But often the After the pilot was made like number of. What the? So. They re Sean it. They got the show runner in and they might have possibly in different actors. we are very learned in the foyer reference podcasts, but we don't go beyond IMDB Trivia. So if anyone wants to give us further insights, but essentially they got some different actors I'm not sure how the cost they were but they reshot at and you know they got picked up. All fifty six mice makes us fucking right there. Oh yeah man! It definitely deserves all of the accolades. Is there anything else you wanted to say about? Snowfall nowhere about the actors in general? I Love Dawson. Idris, you could see his range. Here's fucking. Call it really his range, and and I think one of the things people don't realize is. Why don't you see him acting in in snowfall? You think there's there's no ball high enough for him to outdo himself. Yeah, and then we watch block mirrored smithereens. Episode and Bloody Hell it was refreshing as well because while you could see just there's there's something he's just got it. His Ex genetic QUA- oh my. Timer. Take for my tingle places. Well. We have a poor record so probably not. Well, I'll take it where I can get it. I'll tell you that much. Again so first impressions the early. The only SORTA semblances I have understanding the crack cocaine Amick is through music I to back and also through Kendrick Lamar. Again I'm not African American. I'm not black so I understand that specific frame of reference but. Watch look memories you listen to music, and that's kind of you know where you understand the credit card game sort of epidemic, but it was interesting to what snowfall as a creative entity and see right before it happens right not necessarily for Franklin, but the philosophical sort of in a conflict of yeah I can get super money from getting this, but is this the best one my community and that was an interesting sort of thing I hope we can continue to discuss off on but I fucking. fucking love this shirt I. Really Enjoy this show and you know there's the super popular shows that obviously you can. Just you know, recommend to people, but this is the sort of show where you kind of do puff just a and you do kind of feel a bit proud that you know snowfall and you're recommending it to someone because you want. Someone takes recommendation to watch oil reference to what's no four. You know they're going to enjoy, and you're going to be credited for that potential solutions. Sure. It's fucking great I. Also WanNa give a shout at two men Joseph. He plays Jerome because I most recently. rewatch awkward Blatko and he is in their own. For like one episode, we also talked about Michael being. NGELO HIS MOM in the Wyatt super quality cost. I also appreciated that I might not have seen the cost and other things but it didn't even matter because they played well, they were costed well, and they really embodied the characters that we had in the story, and it was nice to see you know characters that we love in slow four continue to go on and be great and continue to be in our screens in our hearts. Isaiah, joining plays Leon was recently in that net flicks all day in the night as well. So you know on will. Friends and lovers some as office impression, so let's dive into the show. That is snowfall. This quite a lot of characters there quite a lot of themes that do get explored in this show. and I think that will naturally come up as we talk about characters and obviously most suitably. We are going to start off with Franklin. Franklin the way he got, his name was from Charlie Brown. Or really, it was the only black character in the comic, and his last name was added to be Ironic Franklin Saint. I thought he was named. Franklin saint for you got served. We do this, but you say. The modern times represent what. We need a cover you got served. You think we're talking about west stories of Shit. Jesus May. That was probably was that now you're, says introduction. True True. And not look back and you've not neither neither as. But. Let's talk about. Let's talk about Franklin as a character as the protagonist of this show, you can talk about it from a writing point of view as audience point of view. However you want, but let's talk about Franklin. So Franklin as well the protagonist and I. Thank you for listening guys. Next, week We get to see the story. On. At least Johnson's wants to trey in the in the show through frankly through the struggles of him, being in a community where he really didn't, he was supposed to go off to college in environmental, really didn't feel comfortable with and then incomes at least I don't think the parents could afford that, and then we see him sort of dealing with the struggles and trying to figure out How could elevate himself bought crime or anything? Illegal wasn't really in the least four. Her mother Broncos was so against it and especially when it came to dealing with jerome as well. We know jerome sold. We'd and he had eating. Want fronting anywhere near that. So it's just interesting to see him, progress and sort of breaking. Bad Sorts vom met. It's true this is this is. This is a breaking bad story of Franklin. Saying okay well, this is the only breaking bad. I will acknowledge the for your reference household. But we see him sort of London ropes of how he could not only be slinging drugs, or he doesn't want to do the corners like everyone else. He wants to build an empire, and that's through the interactions he had. The characters are and and and even Teddy. Everyone can do it on the streets, but to be successful and to be untouchable, because of just how powerful you are a different story, and I think the interesting thing about Franklin as a protagonist. When you, there are some people that you have in all surrounding proximity of your life, and you just look at them and you know they're going to get somewhere. Like they're fucking destined for more than the office journ sort of life like they are going to make it in their life. You don't know how, but you know they've got the potential. And then they're not destined just to be what we are doing all very enterprising to draw to draw another comparison. It's like dumping. Young, Stringer Bell. Yes, we coordinate stringer bell so many times. Yes, he, if stringer bell's to be and to stop by his own resources and devices without being touch aven this is what. I ask because Avon is sort of Leon in this. That was a wire offense by the way. We delve into sort of. References inception. That's what we do. Friends in love is if you fucking wonder why. We got four year reference. But the reason why I don't agree with that is because Franklin actually has a very level headed sort of approach to things when he gets like when he loses his cool, it is to mass effect because Franklin is very calculated and he, he's very level headed and he doesn't allow his anger to control him so when the anger controls in which will talk about It's happened quite a few delicious times in this series like you fucking listen Mike. When when Franklin is pissed off, you fucking listen right and stringer bell. He he just got frustrated quickly I think that was the problem Let's talk about Franklin. Let's go back to Franklin and forth because we love the wire, but we have three and a half hours of content. The wiser feel free to check it out, but the thing that I love so much about Franklin is. He was Sir enterprising right? Yes, he saw that there was drug selling, but he saw it as a way to enterprise, so even franchise so a further extent, right? He saw it as a product a product that he could sell a product that he could build off fund so he. He went from Wade and then he graduated to cocaine, and that's why we avi and they. They. Have a very interesting meek you yes, I called it a meet cute. Come and fight me, bitches and then we see through Leon's cousin or I think it is Leon's cousin way. He learns how to Cook it right, so he's always finding ways to end surprise his business right and he doesn't have that for broader like Heisenberg from breaking bad where he doesn't need to be the face. He doesn't need people to know that he's the smartest guy in the. And that's what I fucking love about Franklin he he is poised in every way. I think a lot of the time when you watch TV shows or you watch movies. Sometimes, it can be really frustrating when you watch a character and they just seemed so perfect, right? Perfect in the sense that it's not even it doesn't even feel grounded to real life and I feel like Franklin could have done that in less Hans with penmanship and less a hands of acting of Thespian ship, but what we have, we're Franklin is fragmented flaws within his character, and we start to see that unfold all the way up until season three. And there are so many instances of that but Franklin as a whole is fucking great. He is one of the best protagonists I've ever seen in a TV shirt. Because! He fucks up, but you know what he is going to find a way to regain that tenfold. It's not that there aren't obstacles in front of him. It's just that he's able to pivot. He is able to anticipate, and he is able to chess game the fuck out of everyone. In the least Dick swinging sold away. And is a the textbook definition of the best protagonist in history. So we have we have we have a lot of. Franklin is very similar to Iot. Where he's very intrinsic You know he'll be having a lot of thoughts, but he went really verbalize them much to the Child Grin and much to the frustration of his I say's. With. And also Kevin. So I want to explore a little bit about that. That's just more towards fundamentally differently walls, people, okay, Leeann, and Kevin Balls from the street. The Harley Street mentality where what's wrong with slinging dope wrong with just being that you know what's this all? He wants to be an enterprise. He wants to be enterpreneurial. In for that inasmuch as Leeann was. Franklin's boy. He's still he was still street level he was. Just as Gangsta ship, yeah, let's just kill these people and take this street and be done with it. Well do Buffet Kevin was also like that as well and I'm thinking both of them. So the difference with Franklin is he saw bigger picture. And where just dining on the streets isn't enough because what ten twenty years from now you don't want to be doing the same she, do you. The has to be an exit strategy and Franklin was driving too fast. Oh absolutely! Own bottle you just. Out of the call, yeah, he had foreign accounts I. It was all it was all fucking happening and I guess before we get to David so at spoiler spoiler spoiler. I. Don't think we've ever done a non Spoiler v how we know because what's the point? know the Lord but when it comes to spoil his. It's all species blazing. And the reason why I wanted to say that is because I want to further explore Kevin and also Leon I said spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, and as much as we fucking love you guys listening to episodes. It actually hurts me when you listen to episode. You haven't seen because a lot of the episodes we cover. We actually love the shows this snowfall in particular so please stop listening if you haven't watched it because I'm going to spoil a big plot point. That we have season to. Radiating I'm ready. Have you done you her? Mike spaulding spaulding me. If you nesting. At the under season two, we come to quite a crescendo in the series and something that will define not only Franklin. But Leon and a lot of the other characters in this series way Franklin is given an ultimatum where he needs to make a decision, and it is something that has really challenged him. A lot of the times throughout the series Franklin will do things very methodically very logically. It's the best thing it's what needs to be done, but he came at a crossroads where he decided whether he needed to. Safeguard his livelihood or protect his friend. And we see that come to a crescendo in season to where he needs to, and he decides to shoot Kevin. I also appreciate that. Kevin Unfortunately, but he did die. sometimes especially like in the season finale that happens, and then you'll see them pop up like five episodes later. But who knows maybe even fall. But this was a big moral conundrum for Franklin He was always home of what needed to be done. What had to be done and he did the needful. And this is solely way I think he was if he was tittering on the precipice of whether or not, he was a bad guy. This is what's made him. Cross the line to the territory. Of Okay, there's no coming back from this shit. Yeah, you're officially a body of the street. And I think, but then also at the same time. It's probably were very freeing for him. Because, that's one of the last time that he have. You know the qualms of whether he would or whether he wouldn't. But at the same time throughout the first and second season, Kevin was really pushing it, so let's talk about the difference was like the differences between Kevin and Leon, so both of them are very similar like you said they didn't have ambitions beyond the straight like they had a stack of cash, and they were happy with that right. They would keep doing what they needed to do to get that stack of cash, but they weren't looking to disappear when they were fifty. Like will probably still be doing that shit. Leon had his vices, and you also see that through one door as she becomes a big fucking plot point. In season three right? But. Leon has his vices, but he also can follow orders. He can also be reason to and I think that's the difference between Leon and also Kevin. Because Kevin, you know the same thing, he he, he's the life that he needed to have to make the money. And they birth indulge in the lifestyle. That was very clear. That's fine, but frankly wanted say folks, so he didn't indulge in the lifestyle as much as he probably could have like his cohorts right. But Kevin I think Kevin was just like a like a Kelly in destiny's child like he wasn't happy. Being the two I say he wanted to be Franklin say! Dot Reference Lonsdale, because to me. Kelly was the lead on group. Mega. Kelly over he. watch out for pink lemonade. Homecoming to a coming out soon. That was cute. I appreciate you all very cute. but you know what I mean like I. Don't think Kevin was happy being because I think he kind of saw himself as a lapdog. See but then he was struggling with the factor fronton anything to avenge. Kidding always doing that Shit, and this is the case, so he was happy to go to the park intron. Kill his people when kids. Come on. The way whether you had an enterprise, you will working on their fucking civilians. and May I court Erma from the wire. Man GotTa. Have occurred You don't get civilians up in that shit. We know how ended up all modern we so. I'm just saying from street level or at least from Kevin's perspective. He saw that he had to avenge. And Franklin quite frankly was just sitting there, but it's tit for tat. Just going to keep buying TV thoughts frankly was happy to just take the money and not do anything about arranging. Okay so I guess if you're if you're in a if you're amongst that, it's hard to be objective, but Franklin had ambitions beyond that, and where does it end is just going to be tit for tat all over? Right, so like I get what Kevin was saying, but also at the same time, which is a fucking end, and the fact that you wanted to in broad daylight. Mind you. Where that will call, it was essentially a sting, right entrapment Birdie. That's another wire. This is going to be very annoying if people don't like the wild, they have emotional while. But. It was interesting like so. Do you think do you? Would you have been in? Wade, if Leon was the one to die and Kevin. No, because Leeann, listen to reason. Leeann listens to Franklin nobody saying you personally What if Kevin had survived that shot? Because remember? Leon also got shot because he was covering for Franklin, but he survived. How do you think the series would've looked if Leon died? And Not Kevin or Kevin will depend on Franklin immediately alternately. Down the fucking IFFY altis. That's a three hundred reference. Interesting I think Kevin served is purpose I think he was the catalyst for anyone that was questioning where the Franklin was about that enterprising life. Onto question, all the doubts are out the window at this point. Because he's a personal ties whether he will do that. To Jerome or Louis I, guess is a different question because it literally blood runs deep there. is another story, but it was it was very emotional to see that and it was also very emotional, and it was sad to see the fallout between Franklin, and Leon because Leeann gets it. He understands that Kevin was out of line, but he also dough France bodies the group together. Yeah, so it's one thing okay I see. Why did it again doesn't make you right but I think it also shows that as much as I love you Isaiah John It shows that Leon is in a leader because he would continue to let Kevin keep doing that fucking shit. And Franklin was like nerd. This is not we're done. We're done. He's crew is in. Saudi shouldn't have shot Kevin in the back. Now is a bit dodgy to me. Like I wasn't expecting a whole Soliloquy, but like shooting him in the back was a bit on poetic. But. so I think I think Kevin was very important to the story You know there are times when you watch the TV show and you know something's going to happen, so you just want it to happen, so I'm glad they didn't drag out Kevin's plotline for too long. The good thing about snowfall as well as that. It's ten a piece of the season. Yeah, and there's no fillers like. In India. Actually. We haven't talked about the season finale, but yes. Jesus let's. I said before we recorded this. Let's not talk about into the end because. Obviously we love this show, so we don't want to start off with that, but don't say there were no fillers. 'cause that season three finale was a fucking filler. That was more filler than all of the Naruto Phillies we've ever seen in. Like two hundred villas supercenter. Wow! I guess the other thing that I want to say about Leon is. He has four character development. It is one of the most delicious. Characters that I've ever seen in a TV show. Because if you remember in the season, Liam was very tentative about this shit like he was always, he was always going to ride for Franklin, but he was always a bit tentative about beating people up or shooting them or even doing worse right, but then we have a full circle character development where there's a kid that really looks up to Franklin Leon, and he wants to be a part of the crew, and then Leon initiates him into it. Right Oh. It was such a delightful moment. There is emotional payoff, and there is no fucking full emotional payoffs. And Leon is great. Leon is one of my favorite characters ever. It is one of the. He's a good cartoon, but I didn't. I didn't seat is accused sort of so it. As Soko continues is teaching people how to kill, so it's not cute. But I'm just saying I it's it's in like in the most violent ways. It was very endearing to see Leon take on the role that he is assumed in this world. So it's nice to have that, too. I say it's nice to have that. Faithful right hand man in Leon with Franklin because by God. Is Franklin. Need that help? Speaking of help Let's move on to people that have really contributed to Franklin success and have definitely had their input lines as well. I to talk about and I. Want to talk about Louis who? While Jerome Festival? I got carried away. He's such a solid character in this is very likeable and he's relationship with frankly Al-Bayda, the sort of fact that there's some weird between jerome and Franklin's mom. SEC- is by how much respect and He sees Franklin as okay. You don't have to be me. You have a future kid. You know how in front they decided to break. He was right there with. You know okay, make show you. I'll make sure that you k teach you everything that I know, but then again frankly super quickly so pasta and he's yeah, you don't but you. It's the thing where the Mazda. The student becomes the Moscow. We have sixty episodes of Mesa pausing you a while. In every way, it was painful, and it was sad to say Jerome Grapple with that actuality. because. He's like yeah I'll take you under my wing. I'll show you the game, but. He was very reluctant, but he started to see that Franklin was going to accede him. Not just in a small sense, but in a catastrophic SORTA away. And I think he he felt threatened by that. I would say threatened because I think he's reservations was more towards the fact that he didn't want to be too. Big was happy just. But also at the same time, Franklin it has the ability to scale. Scale Jerome was against the just because of the fact that the bigger you are, the more attention you direct yourself for the most Mata you have to be the most strategic you have to and the father. You Fall as well so you have to fall, so it's it's. It's not a win. Win with great power comes. A million people at you back trying to get a title for me and that's. A Kenyan. Did you. Dropping I don't know if teaching No, but it's interesting and you know there are elements where we jerome physically abusing Louis which is very hard to. Watch, but also at the same time I feel like I love jurors so. I I don't know what that says. About us as viewers about how he just completely discuss that, but I I wanted to put that out there because it happened but I really do feel for Jerusalem in a lot of ways because you know as much as we joke about it, toxic masculinity is a thing right? And this happened in the eighties so he was a man's man. He was pretty much I. DunNo, if you will call him a kingpin, but he was the go-to guy in regards to wait in California or at least where they were right, so he was used to being on top. and to have Franklin come along. Yes, it was out of Judah. Judicial Brotherhood with SEC- way. He didn't want Franklin to get hurt, but then it got to a point where he was like all shit. This kid is on a sole right so. Also when he got shot, when remember when the fucking police Super Andre Reid came to his house, and Jerome and he was injured for a while. He was starting to see the cogs. Chess pieces come into play was. Severely beaten. Them Yeah and Which is why for Jerome? Wars like? You know I'm I'm you man's man I to be beaten? Down like that! Disrespecting without floor, and that really hard him, and that's what Carter posted him to making the decision that he wanted to start up his own shop. Something Genuinely Control Ball And then got robbed yeah. Yeah come on, guys. He's just a Guy Jonah? Levi's live with UNSEE. Louis. Is Sister. is another mother judging May. Oh, but verb is fucking delightful, and he's great and. One of my most favorite moments that I reference a lot in the foyer. Reference household is diverse accompanying Franklin to go and see his friend who's died is a porn director. And they're shooting a male gazing. And very was just fucking flabbergasted. He was having a good time looking at all of the porn sets, and he's little coconut. It's great I fucking missed this show so much. Jerome especially him in that Gerry Cole. Would you ever Gerry Cole? itty oh. Yeah I don't know if it's because I like looking at to room, or if it's my thing, I might be into. It might be Jerusalem thing whether if I put a Gerry Cole right now. You've run away. How do you do? I think this is the. King will splash on. All but divert is great. You pull up such Gerry Scott. I don't know a lot but I know how to clean my search. A. More, please. but derive is a great character. I think again with less penmanship. We've less acting. I think he could become very one dimensional character, but what we witness in snowfall along with a lot of the other characters are well rounded. You know holy fulfilled character especially with the relationship with Louis. taught on that. Oh. This is an interesting one because Louis from what we understand is very sexually fluid. I wouldn't put a label on. Her I will say she's very sexually fluid. She actually drives a lot. If you want to call someone appoint and will probably be Louis All the main major sort of that we have in this show is somewhere in the background. If Jerome Convincing, it was Louis Oh absolutely if he was finding. A to distribute Franklin's crack it was. Some years you. She was in the middle of everything. Oh, absolutely so. If I was. If I were to have qualm, it would be the fact that she's always conveniently in the background for major plot, points but Doron really loves her. In his fucked up. Woman bathing ways. He actually really does love her. which was weird? Seeing are witnessing when she decided to leave to go to Claudia, was it yeah, and then how major own feel, but the fact that he understood and sat there, and said you know always have a place. Yeah, he turned into that guy and boys to men. I knew about a baby. If we could afford it. We wouldn't set it right now. Is that on bended knee? look at US starting. Amisi podcast we could be like what was it Um Softbank saying the all the music the same now it is titus in unbreakable Kimmy. Schmidt. Ended up. Off. At a funeral. because. Yes. Larry's I knew about it. I just didn't get but yet jerome was really channeling. That sort of voice demand energy because that. Yeah, you know we shouldn't. Give accolades two men just for doing normal things, but the fact that's. was able to swallow his male pride, and he was like I. Don't fucking care if you still Claudia. Please come home. All I got that broke my heart, and all of the pieces I didn't never hot existed until I saw that same, but then again we see Louis fucked up and the one she can't call is jerome. Because Claudia was she had a Powell complex about her? She knew that there was an imbalance between her and Louis. She helped Louis with the club. The Club was hers essentially. so it wasn't really much different, and I think you know we're not really psychology podcast, but Louis definitely gravitated towards powerful. Life companions that unfortunately took advantage of her. And Claudia was a woman, but she was no different, so jerome in that aspect specifically Louis was very interesting I do like that. Louis exists in this series. You know in life. You always need that. One person like no matter how fucked up. You messed up. It doesn't matter you've always got one person. You can call definition of a fucking. Roger Die Right and time and time again. Louis was that full Franklin. Not just not just with connections and networking, but as an emotional support as well you could tell they have a such a special bond where a it transcends the normal sort of all his dating my uncle, so yeah have related. Yeah, there's understood each other such a different fundamental level that they're bond, and whatever frankly was in trouble. You could see how it affected Louis and even when Franken was arrested, that just drove Louis. Crazy Oh, yes, and she hit up a COP friend to help Franklin out as well she she's connections everywhere it seems. So. We definitely see much of that, but Louise very integral to the sharp. Not just from a point of view above emotionally. She was everything that Franklin needed. And everything that Tasha wasn't. DASHA from power. I knew that I knew what you were saying. Just thought I'll put it in there just. Point you know what we should do, we should do a four year reference, Bingo and with people should have a card, and then they cross off. The is that we reference while we're talking about all this shit. We have cover power again. I think certain. fucking love Tom, Egan Dursey Sikora, but not again. which is not to see, he wasn't. He was also maybe with Megan good and Michael Ealy. Mother. You thought I wouldn't bring that up. He thought we don't have the Daddy Quaid context and the Foyer Reference House. You fucking rock. Is Seeing David Quaid senior in Got Goaliath, actually air law such as we. Think this is out cordova references. We've referenced too much. In should cover, Goliath. We should goliath. Amazon, one we've done is the boys. This is also really cute for you guys to go and listen to the episodes that we've covered. We have done a the boys. Also the while obviously. But. Let's let's go back. Let's go back to the series. Let's talk a bit about sixty Franklin's mom. And I guess if we have to. Let's talk about in. Saint as well I said if we have to. We don't have to, but if we have to know his his demons. What happened? He's shit he does. He's a veteran house. Most support of course in share that affects his mind. He got into drugs and Booze and homeless lifeguard in the fuck and way of life, guarding the fucking way, and it's hard for people to readjust out there and I think this is one of the things I think single tunnels, just trying to paint a picture of the kind of veteran's. Veteran's life back then and I'm all for it because I saw out, and as someone who society failed rather than him, not being him not being good enough or just being a deadbeat is because he was far from it previously when he had every story about Alton, he was such a stand up guy. He was different until he wasn't. When is out of mix tape dropped sir? Just wait. What do I always say not in regards to parents. No one can fuck you up more well, they are they you fucking Gar right. But I just understood him and it's. It's good to see him sort of reestablish himself. Get footing help cc by the House. There's a difference between helping and there's a difference between decades long of companionship. And helping CC and accept the gift. The Franklin gave him because he was all. Drug, man you. Got Just leaving the street you're being. You're being a victim. There's some some lines you have to cross. I'm just saying okay. Well. I'm not pinning one parent against another saying that we can't neglect how Franklin is feeling. In lieu of whatever alternates suffered, maybe if the series was from the point of view, I would sympathize with him more. However, this is about Franklin. Saint and he fucked up. Fair enough, but we see him. It's not fair. It's not fair for a parent to festival. Fuck you up in emotional physical, whatever way and second of all it's not fair for that same parents to decide when they want to come back into your life and decide, that's what I want to be and also actually as a further extension and the third point, it's not fair to just completely pretend like all of the pain, and all the hurt four those years for those formative years. Franklin didn't exist. He wasn't even allowed to acknowledge the pain. It's Your Dad's here. He's trying he's a saint. If you'll pardon the pun, let's just go with I. Really didn't see. More of okay. This is a bloke struggling, and then he understands the path. Franklin is better than anyone. But what kind of kid that gets neglected is going to think Oh yeah, my dad was a hard time. They just feel the scars of the remnants of a father that wasn't they. Of, course, the scar tissue and Red Hot Chili peppers reference. Dot Com be helped, but what he does is provide Franck clean advice when he sees him crossing the Llano seeing him. That pissed me off. Like where do you get off? Even trying to give me some sort of fatherly advice, folk off dealing with government and he was in. Was He blockbuster? New although she knew what the government would do. You keep a secret yet, but in new they'll count for Franklin you. Could do it's the least you can do whatever you want a fucking. Pat On the back piss off. Can you put on the back in the stroke on the neck? Just something you. Cautiously ready for that on ours. Suspiciously ready to have that answer. I guess let's just leave their filthy friends and lovers to chime in. You know I'm always very protective from the kid's point of view, so that just pissed me off. And it will forever Piss me off. But they are for enough. Let's talk a bit about cissy off. I think she's the one that annoys me. Franklin Sokoll Oh, come on. She was a single mother raising Franklin on earn. She's just not. Okay well. Maybe we don't have time, but the fact that you sympathize with the dad. fucking. The fact that he sympathized. Don't try to walk out. Compared to see see. That was fucking trying to make it work now. Everything is as invalid actually. Speak through and through. She has. Wild in, but you can see why. She didn't want Franklin. Involved in that world because she probably saw in the community in her proximity people getting incarcerated right, and even though there are people incarcerated for selling wait. Even their weight is legal. In most states in America is a conversation. We need that for another day. Does it better, but it's a conversation. We need to have another day. I just felt like she was the weakest link and I really care for her for her back flipping. Because one minute should be in Franklin. That community should be wiring. Telling Frontino note on do this. Let's just go. Let's move. Let's do something. Let's get out of he like Fara Man it's unit and the fact Franklin was in with government. He was are just walking away. Father knew that the father told her that, but it wasn't enough was. It can't be all four and all against Sir. We complex creatures she wasn't. Then you could say like the amount of harassment and sexual assault that she got from that super boss that she had us. You was dealing with some shit and your fucking. Very tough. I I understand that she didn't want her. Son wrapped up in it. What are you going to say? You wish you had more faith in her son in being able to enterprise a drug sort of Industry Yup. You probably like lot gene. Leading the way miss. Is that what they call it? You're the classic sixty minutes interview Raunchy hopefully, not tire Brown. That's an Australian. Reference. Just leave it alone. Don't look it up. It's fine. Okay, so we've covered a lot of the nucleus within Franklin sort of. Let's branch out a little bit more and talk about Teddy. Teddy's Teddy Teddy Cada Hudson I never knew year and I. Don't know if I will continue to New Year. His acting fucking pissed me off like his acting in general I'm just like he seems to apologize for being in a room and I. Know Thinking. Khaki does a great show I don't care for that sort of. Bug Rounding on Broadway or something or not. That never researches. Anyone apparently knows everything I'm just saying to me. He acted flawlessly. especially when displaying sort of because you know, he has issues, he has issued dot. He has issues as a brother. He has issues of the sun so when PR trains such a complex character. He is a comic character. Waiting for. You are. You. Giving out Awards for complicated characters naming CECE for it now see. Don't you know Ila? Oh. I think that it is super complex and he. He's the one that sort of we single walled because seeing, Franklin's is it enough to tell the whole story and that's where teddy comes in. Different side of literally could have just had a placeholder and I would have been fine. Wow, yeah, did you see how much he loved his brother? All I fucking love is probably he's brothers the fucking best. And his brother Matt. He's in he's in kingdom. Here's was the with A. Three brothers names Jonas brothers. What's legal? Make Nick Nick Jonas not. Kevin no one talks about Kevin. WHO's given exactly? He's solid. He's solid, fucking stadium and everything. He's also in Westwood as well we saw Ivan city in a hill recently. American gods actually Charlotte's team winters just because I can. But. He's so because you know he's. He doesn't get along with the died. But the fact that he his brother hostage that is fucking Shite. It shot he was. Doing he was snoring his body way in Kirk. He didn't have in yours to Tonto Bra could fly the plane and needed someone start. No, there was sort of last resort. He was fucked up there. It was fucked up the way he his brother remains a hostage intentional. Okay, but still. It was rugs. Ecstasy feels this. Convenient! Convenience to bring an argument that doesn't exist. Awhile I think it was so one of the best moments with me in they show with him is his sort of involvement with. Solid The crooked I feel like she was crooked as hell. Otherwise. She crossed the line. A laws definitely probably thought hostage tank. Don't stay. What has thank God staying guy like that? I appreciate that let's go with that. Instinct She thought that it yourself bitches, because you'll thank stick. That is a PSA from Earth from the forever. Stamp Feinstein while I think I think he's. He's sort of opens up a different avenue, do frankly he also Franklin only get out of jail when he was arrested, and that sort of put a bull's eye on his on his back when it came to under. The Franklin's governs. Dad, you know so it's he. He saw an opportunity in Franklin. Franklin, being differently giving that chance multiple times when he thought that he could just sort of walk away and someone else. In, frankly, and against the better job of Avi and other rest of the people who thought frontier was becoming too big close breaches stock through I appreciated that throughout the series teddy was given more textural sort of layers toys character, so even though he bothered me. from an acting performance point of view. It started to make sense after a while because we have interchanges with his father. That seems like can tell he is just he's never going. Going to get it, you know like sometimes we like look at old people, and it's like they're too old to explain why something they said is racist like he's that sort of old man right? The way that he treated teddy was interesting, but not surprising. After we had spent some time with teddy like okay, so I get why he keeps his distance from his dad, and he dealt with all of that shit that he had to deal with. Speaking of Shit that he had to deal with how about his ex wife? The COP, yes, she's annoying, ask! Like as much as I say, I'm a tough pitch. There was a part of me. That wanted to believe in love and you know how. She was like stringing him along. Those are part of that was like Nah. She's pretending to be a double agent, but secretly she wants to protect him. How about when she dropped Intel, and they were coming to raid the warehouse. The fuck. was that Shit but some shit man? You just want to believe in the sanctity of love, but it just doesn't happen. That way does tell him, and then you can figure out that doesn't involve your partner, so messed up shit. It's it's one thing to portray opener, and it's one thing to willfully provide intel that could potentially kill him. Like. Come back with audacity of all. We could still be together I. It's get the fuck out. You need to get all the way the fuck out the way the fuck out this galaxy. She and then they had their special moment where they will like fucking at a river, or at least that's how I. Remember it, it was. Hallucinating or something? Yeah, yeah, and I'd her man like. I do feel bad for Teddy. He is like the jury, Swanson, the Toby from the office like you just want him to have at least one good day. One could day we are wrapping up and we will wrap up with melody, and also Andre Right, but before we do that I just want to give little accolades to some other characters of the series and feel free to jump in RT as well I. Just WanNa give a shout out to wait Elaine Marcus He plays Derek on insecure, and he was on six episodes of snowfall, and he was like this drug boss. fucking loved it. It was interesting, especially compared to his character. We I think those I was insecure. And then you had him being a fool. You know hot ass in every delicious old away in snowfall. It was fucking great. I like him. I hope we continue to see him. Sort away because he doesn't have the wet sort of is, but I do hope that whenever watching something, he happens to be as well. fucking great fucking. Ace Dra Davis was also in snowfall as well for eleven episodes dirty. As peaches how speeches most deliciously? Actually before we talk about melody. Do you WanNa talk about wonder for a little bit? Off. Anyone? From doing. This show the picture of melody and snowfall other be like. That's Crock rideaid. In Ustralia if you buy cigarettes, they have like them have shocking terrible photos of teeth, Oman's or whatever you know pretty much like a cautionary sort of message on there I'm not sure how they do that with crack, but I get what you're saying. Do you. Do you want to believe or do you think that one was just a normal person? But the greed and the temptation of? Fortune got to her. Do you think she just turned into Golan? What's he thinks she was always tonight? She wanted that she too much. She was telling in how he could run. This could be. Ground I. Could tell that this was going to end well. Do. You remember when one to came to him. I think it was in season. Two one the came to him and was like. Let's do it. Let's let's flip it on Franklin lintz completely. pull the rug onto him. And let's let's take everything and in that moment again another pivotal moment in the series Leon had to decide whether he he went along with was saying all if he stays true to his friendship with Franklin, and that's when after not in a romantic where he physically copter for her. To clear. But that was also really talk that call it. That was really that was really a pivotal moment, not just for Leon, but what it means to solidify. His friendship with Franklin for show but yeah shutout to one the cautionary tale of the cracker cain world I guess, and that's what you WANNA call it We see we've seen are in Atlanta insecure and the BELCO experiment. I'm not sure if you remember seeing her in the Boko experiment they are. That's what seen so definitely. Shout out to one. Let's get into melody and also Andre? Who saw melodies gull next door the Franklin I'd. Go next, is she? Yup, and the follow will saw against that relationship similar to CISSY. Yeah so way above and beyond CC's level. Thank you I appreciate. Patient Andrew just harder things. That Okay I. Get it. Your daughter bought. She wants he wants to control. Every sort of aspects of a life came to that, and that's how you sort of push teenagers a lot age. It's lots. Yeah, you kind of be a helicopter parent and then expect now it doesn't. It. Really doesn't and seeing. Their relationship was kind of weird because they were always going throughout the whole season to the point where when melody started doing crack, he blames. He blamed Franklin is Franklin's fault godless of every single thing. and to some extent. Know Franklin is the one that introduced crack cocaine in in the neighborhood. Yeah, it's Kinda. The genesis here so he was completely wrong. It wasn't a ten level occasion remember. Andrei took him along for a ride and they went into an area. What you have drug users and he's like look what you're doing to the community and all of this order share. And then you are Franklin being like, but what are you doing like? You're locking up our. and. That was a Merman. That definitely needed to be adjusted. You know we talk about John. Singleton and his ability to convey an effectively be able to deliver messaging, and that was definitely done in that saying I think a lot of the time when I think about effective messaging always come back to that moment. With Andre and also Franklin because they realize that they're at an impasse. Franklin's poss that SORTA, impressionable age where he will listen to Andre. Not that he would have but he's. He's a point where he will listen to him, and they realized that they both staring at the enemy. whichever one you believe is correct or not, but even the way that Andre handled. The driver and them like rating the House that was completely wrong and you kind of see him have a conflict, but not really because he sees himself as above people that deal drugs. In that point in time, but then you also see his conflict that he has with his own. Colleagues were they would call him names as well because to him. He thought he has not blockbuster because he's wearing a uniform by the end of the day. To Block. That doesn't change. They'll still see those block the chicken Georgia's. And the way they talk about the black people in the neighborhood and district. God them, and they're like Nah, but you're different. You're different. You're damn. Yeah, it's. Firearm and and he and he's set up if. His is one of those people that are really didn't appreciate lacking. They show yeah, and he's spoiler his death. Did Not make me feel any sort of way at all. Because I think I think at the same time. For for as much as damage, you can discuss for Franklin introducing hurricane or being one of the pioneers of introducing cracker came to the community he he wasn't doing it in a way. That was malicious. In contrast what Andre was doing. He was always he was always there to help in every sense that he could and Andre was really different way. You know you can't be that sort of character and not kind of have some sort of self hatred. Which is kind of sad, but also you're gonNA doll in you know in doing. So that standoff between Andre Franklin it because even when they were in the call, they knew that they had to kill one or the other and I. Think Andrea even alludes to that as well right so when we have the standoff between the two. Someone was going to so. It was quite clear out that watching that final scene The someone was going to die. Obviously because it's snowfall and we have our protagonist in Franklin it wasn't going to be Franklin, but it was still tense is still held our attention because as much as he'd suspended, any sold a ties he had. We've Kevin Melody was a different story melody. Had you know she had dived into the vices as she was very aware of that, she she wanted Franklin to feel guilty about it, but she still continued along alive, but this was someone that he loved. Loved US Pasta because you see that all the love is loss after that, but this was one of the final ties that he has to his humanity whereas I. I don't like him, but he's also melody's Dad. So we kind of left it to the last moment of whether he would kill him on. It had to be done there he ought to be done hid stolen. Add knowledge of a lot of Shit that he wasn't supposed. To secrets which I know it, he would have survived. Deal away because the franking does it or the government. Does it yeah and I? Think the sort of what I didn't foresee is melodies reaction? Because he turned into the regular Agatha Christie. Are there soon, parole? She was who my window's always closed loop. Hoping my window, my Business Franklin, wrong, my dad's yeah, and and that led us to a moment where now she should Franklin And then I think that's where we have palms with where the show started. Or progressing rather regressing perhaps. Okay, so so that is tantalizing that those episodes open to before the season finale was fucking tantalizing fucking loved it, super race. The season finale for season three is a fucking problem. If you don't see, it does a problem, feel free to email us because that's not S. But. It was a disservice to the series as a whole. I did. Not Care for it. I know it's cute because we're supposed to imagine if Franklin didn't go down the road of selling drugs. This is where he would be. I. Do appreciate however in this episode that you see. The barriers that he's he faced was through systemic and institutionalized racism. And I li- I do I. DO appreciate the contrast of Struggle. Because just because he decided to go, the legitimate way doesn't mean it was an easy ride for him, so I appreciate that. Eating Soda Narrative. However, when you leave on such high tension, and you decide to just give us a fantasy sort of episode. It kinda turned into Vera Meka for two seasons in Bates, Motel. Can. We get onto the main story now again? This is not cannon. This is Fila. But at the same time I don't think I ever wondered what it would be like. If Franklin was to grow legitimate. Did you ever wonder? So, this was a question that was being on, so no one that was asking, and I think one of the things that are hard calms. Special is because it took time from US showing US exactly what transpired. Happened after him being shot because we've keeping to I don't know how many days a weeks into the future where his mind and he's also smiling into the background with a cane and his completely gordon. is where is actually and it's like bad like yeah. Frontiers already broken by ages ago. This is sort of new just because it's A. Close encounter with death doesn't change that at all. Me Because. All those things us. Planning is exactly what he's GonNa. Do his look being s cobol some Shit Nah, those levels up aspiring to at least see my mind. Yeah it was really frustrating and I think that was part of the reason why we didn't cover it as soon as the season finishing. Because usually we like run to. Thing to come and cover it but you know given the light of the situation. We don't know when we're going to get season full. And even though the season finale for season three salad how we felt it doesn't undo the quality and the emotional investment, and the fully realize character development of this shirt. It is too good not to talk about. It is to go down to talk about and I think one of the things that at least. I'm curious as to where the go is now without John Singleton, a helm how the show takes town, and if it takes it on, and we'll happens. Interesting I really appreciated the tribute that they had to John Singleton where they hired an actor to look very similar to him and also use the same sort of camera that he would use as well and they. They made some little jokes about who will be documenting. Who'd one watch this as well so definitely appreciate that but this was a great series. And it will continue to be a great series when we get season four, but thank you so much for tuning in. We are going to finish off in a segment. We call fire your friends. I'm going to reference the wire who simple laws man draws his drugs, and if you WANNA see the effect, Hawes on people on the day to day, nothing does it better than the wire, and also at the same time it takes back from the streets and assures the connectedness. Of all of the intricate so networks as well very odd thirteen you I. Commend you on your reference. I will reference the weird thing miniseries. ooh, not necessarily about drugs, but also have an ambitious protagonist trying to enterprise further from what they can see. You. Know what's also further than what can, we can see on a day to day basis on twitter and instagram. We offer your F- foot. He us an email. While still and we'll see guys next week. Sia!

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The Power of Buying Local

FlashCast By PDB, With Phil Di Bella

09:48 min | 3 months ago

The Power of Buying Local

"You're listening to fill the BELLER and this is Flash, CAST. By PDB and today I. WanNa talk about. Buying local and the importance of it, and the why and pure insight from my perspective they'll be different views on this, and that's perfectly a Koa say altering us is never a problem. It's just make sure we do it. Respectfully so I encourage people to you know to to challenge myself and challenge other people, and and all the rest of it, because everyone has their own views and opinions, and everyone has different levels of expertise that buying local Today's, but I'm GonNa talk about it and the importance of it from my perspective and especially. During still and Post Corona virus. with we've had big big changes to the economy globally. And I believe that it's only people that are going to help. Get through this, and what I mean by that is people supporting people, and showing care and attention and support and If we do that, we come through this and dump. Let me say from the onset when I say Bang. Lockwood does not mean alienating other countries and imports, and all the rest of it. certainly not what I advocate. As more about consciousness, it's being conscious to support your local further or your local butcher. You like Oh business. Your local service, person, plumber electrician, excetera, and given that of course, a lot of ingredients products. And Services and the rest of it have to come from overseas. It's a given to me. Let me say from the onset that buying local is about a consciousness. It's about being conscious to support where possible local person in some things will explore his It's more expensive for. Be but more expensive now, but not maybe in the long run, and delivery tackle that up I and when people say local is expensive will. An, instance it could be Those bananas, my customer that local service cost you more that t shirt or customer, because it was made in Australia and and labor process higher, and and all the rest of let's break that down as an example, if the labor process high that means somebody industries getting paid means you buy that product from that person getting paid more, you need to pay more the. The money stays in the country Unfortunately we become hypocrites around desires times where we want things cheaper, but then we want people to be paid money, and there's just no possible so to me. The concept of buying local means supporting somebody that is in the country where the money stays in the country, and what happens is the money keeps ciculating. Let me explain that in a different way. Growing up Italian has exposed to Parents playing cards and having fun with others in the rest of it and at times I would prefer money. And don't talking the illegal gambling and will. In twenty cents, fifty cents, a hand stuff like that and dead exposed to a concept that said we try and play with the same people all the time because the money circulates within the group. And, think about that. We play with the same five or six people every time because one week I weighed one week. Someone else means one week. Somebody else wins. Put the money circulates within the group. When you bring outside Zine that might apply once or twice a year. Die Might Take the money away from the group. Now, that's a very very simplistic and pragmatic way to explain buying local is that if you buying from your local supplier like Oh, service peasant, the money circulates within the group now whether it be local suburb community whether it's you'll you know you'll I'm from St community whether it's federal community being astray, but the money circulates within the country, and yes, it's going to pay more to like a game of cards and you're gonNA. Lose more money in a hand of cuts. However, if you look at the average over a year, you probably find that you break even at times you lose more. And other times you'll win more sometimes. You'll lose less sometimes. You'll England's, but if you took the average every year which my dad would often do you drive down after each game How much you WanNa know how much she lost. It found that every year you were pretty close to even, and that's what they mean by. The same people come to the group. The money circulates within the group and that's from went to combat buying local, of course, the concept of buying local. It supports you community, and what happens with local community and using a a very good friend of mine. Peterman Yada Aren't superior for. A very very big generous man. Gaming to local community to local soccer clubs to local libraries etcetera etcetera. Now he can do that because he has a great support of the local residence that human buffer veggies, and and produce from him, and it's often those local businesses that will support the local community communities than being supported by the local people so a yet again. Another good reason of why to buy local the other thing. Is that we're going to understand? Understand how the economy runs and ensure nothing this for free now whilst you think you're getting the great bog and all of great value, nothing is free, and said the would we talk about is, is you'll business delivering value now? Just because you're buying of course doesn't mean that somebody can rise processes to crazy levels The businesses have to make sure that they're offering. Value and value is about trying to deliver that little bit more than the price. You're asking and lower price, but about offer more, and that's a strategy that I've used in business. I had developed coffee, and now I'm entering in the new world of of another business. It's the same thing. Is that rather than dropping the process? Discounting the price Hackenberg deliver a little bit more value and that value doesn't just need to be in quantity of product, but. But can be in quantity of service it could be about loyalty and recognize the constant and repeat business it depends on the business in the service at your operating in how you can deliver rather than to combat cheap and Visconti have that we talk about value because people love value and as consumers, we need to learn to accept value of our cheek. Cheap Maine's nobody wins somebody always going to be lose so whereas there you always to win. Now again back to the local and local community. Of course, there's certain products it just can't be produced sustainable price luckily, and that's okay. Rather than be upset by this, and all the rest of it, what we need to do is and an asses, consumers, and as business owners, and then of course government. Everyone has a level of responsibility he's. We should be working to a plan of way. We can start to develop a system where things are getting produced in the country and this doubt. Everyone knows I love the coffee industry. It's been part of my must have my loss coffee industry and one thing that are absolutely love about the coffee industry and WANNA share with listeners. Listeners in this whole. How do we take something that's being majorly imported and start to manufacture back in country. The coffee industry is a great case study to have a look at how it's been done now myself and all of my colleagues that manufacture coffee deserve a pat on the back for these. I mean everybody that industry. It doesn't matter how big or small it is, but you look at what's happening in the coffee industry in the last you know fifty years everybody that's been part of the coffee. Industry needs to really really be Acknowledged for this and what's happened is that fifty years ago eighty to ninety percent of the coffee industry. It was imported so industry. Even you look at the coffee. Production Industry was important. Now once of the last fifty years. If you look at today, probably no more than ten to twenty percent of coffee is actually imported. Eighty to ninety percent of old coffee consumed in Australia is manufactured in Australia and I think the coffee industry is really underwriting in terms of how it's led the way taking industry. That was pre. Predominantly imported to now being manufactured in this country, and if you take it out, and of course it Tom, becomes, a better, we manufacture all that close overseas. We've factual Qasr overseas. We manufacture all about. Machinery as well. If you take a look at the coffee industry, and what it's done over fifty years than a template and a great inspiration, and reason why that we should be looking at these other products. And the coffee industry of a fifty years led by some great people by Genovese. Coffee Grinders Coffee Giancarlo, who started Brian is in the Genovese family fifty sixty years ago. These guys did an amazing job in starting to produce coffee USTRALIA and what's happened since then is that you now have thousands of people that manufacture coffee. From Small Upright is too big operators. Every single person's contributed to bringing industry back into Australia and making sure that the coffee is manufactured here now, of course, a lot of coffees imported, and this is where I talk about some products just need to be imported. Australia firstly just does not produce enough coffee to be able to sustain. Its population, secondly that if indeed the Australian public wouldn't WanNa, pay the process that need to because of the Sokoll. However what I know most roasts industry do is they all do by some strain coffee to showcase it and support local, but need to buy a lot of the product from overseas, and in that instance it's okay because you can't get what you need from the country. However, the production and manufacturing of it is done here in Australia which obviously. Supports the economy of in employs a lot of people, and it gives us control mechanisms, so the coffee industry is a very good example of how it supports local and Albright's local, and it's also a great example of what some products and book. It's an industry where a lot of products do need to come from overseas, but doesn't stop. The manufacturing presses happened in the country. So what I wanted to do in this episode was just banking around a little bit more conscious about buying local, giving some practical examples next going to engage US service or biproduct plays have a look at how you can support your local business keeping him on the long term gain of that. I thank you for listening. You've been listening to fill Bella. This is flash cost by PDB A nick till next on Debbie the best you can be.

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Look UpAnd Discover Possibilities

Smart Companies Thinking Bigger

00:00 sec | 8 months ago

Look UpAnd Discover Possibilities

"Business now. I'm you were hosting Kelly. Dan Lewis. Thank you for joining us. We're talking business now with Jan. Sokolov harness the author of look up your unexpected guide to good. Jan is also the founder of Sokoll off harness communications an international agency. She launched in Kansas City in two thousand and two Jan is an award-winning writer. Poet and communications coach whose career has run the gamut from agency creative director to radio news director to working with clients of fortune. Five hundred companies and nonprofits in this episode of talking business now. Jan talks with us about her. Latest book looked up and it's important message of returning to the too often lost basics of communication. Welcome Jan. Hi. Thank you for having me. I just want to say congratulations on this new book. Besides carrying such an important message for all of us it's certainly a beautiful tribute to your mother as well. Thank you so much. I have been having friends for years. Tell me you should write a book. You should write a book. You should write a book and which I think is fairly common when you make your living as a writer and after mom passed away at her memorial service one of my friends came up because we told stories about mom during the service and she said you could write a whole book about your mother and Mom was amazing. She was like a complete force for positive attitudes and everything so I thought that very night when she said that I thought. Oh I don't want to write a book about mom but I could use that as a jumping off point and sometimes for me. Structure is really helpful. So just getting. That structure gave me the impetus. I needed to go forward with the book. The book jacket for look up your unexpected guide to good says this is the book we need right now. Why is now the right time? And why is it? The book that particular quote from the book jacket came from a friend and she was reading it and she said this is the book we need right now because right now we are all so overwhelmed with negative news. It is everywhere and there's information everywhere. I mean we were overwhelmed. Just by the sheer amount of information and now so much of it I was looking at the headlines today. You know there's nasty politics corona virus. There's violence it's everywhere. The book doesn't say ignore that the book says you have to have energy. If you're going to deal with that and you can't just focus on the negative. You need to look up. You need to look up from the computer up from the phone from the media and see all the goodness out there. So why is it the book that we need it the book because it's the only one that carries some of the stories that I've gathered over the years from my mother and I can tell you from the responses I've gotten from readers? My mom hits home with people she certainly does. I know that I kept reading because of that and and I know I'm interrupting you a bit here but I just want to point out before the moment gets away that this book look up. It's not your usual guide to communications or positively. You do ground it in your mother's stories in your mother's advice and so it is just a wonderful uplifting. Read with lots of practical takeaways. Oh thank you and I was trying to both convey mom's voice my voice stories that I've gotten from people I mean I've got stories about Desmond Tutu in there from when I met him. There are people that I've met throughout my career that have given me reason to look up and to see that there's wonderful goodness out there and I think it makes a difference because you have to be able to focus on some of that positive if you're going to have energy to deal with all the things that we deal with a lot of it in the book. Some of the practical tips I think are things we all know but we just forget I was trying to provide a real quick read reminder of things like how important it is to simply be present for people and one of the takeaways have gotten from readers is that they appreciate that. I tell my own fault to yes. You're very self deprecating. Well and you know it's like it's hard to be in this career for lying and not be self deprecating because you have so many opportunities to mess up but there are things I've done and learned from over the years like when my kids were young and we would come home. Come home from work. I was agency creative director. We'd get home. They wanted to my attention. I called that our when we got home. Hell our because all I wanted to do is change clothes. Get into something comfortable. Figure out what we were having dinner and these two little people wanted my attention. For God's sake you know and it's like I and now I look back and think all I had to do was stop for what three minute right right. Pay attention to them and then they would have been off doing whatever but then they they wanted some time so when you talk about look up. Some people might see that and go. Oh look up. She literally talking about look up. See The sky look up. What's on the ceiling? You're talking about looking beyond what you see right in front of your face or looking beyond what. The current situation may be immediately stoking in terms of emotion. In you or your or your first. Maybe when it comes to creativity the first idea that strikes you look looking really expanding and broadening all of that absolutely. That is totally. What I'm talking about I can give you a great example from the book. Look Up. The title was not the first title of the book. It was not the second title of the book. The first title of the book was he named me which is a Hebrew word and it means here. I am because a lot of the book is about presence. It's about being there for the people you work with the people you live with your friends other people being there for yourself so to me he ninety was the perfect word perfect title. Unfortunately I can't even pronounce it right. I can never remember teeny or he named he or what is and it's a Hebrew word. No one knows what it means so I would tell the title to French and my designer and everybody was like. Oh that's nice so I had to look up from that and think what else so. My second title was creative instigation. Which is the name of the blog I've written for years and then I was adamant that was that was that was it and I went out to dinner with a friend. I gave her a first draft to the book. And she's like I bet there's a better title than create and I'm like no no no and I had to continually learn that everything I thought was absolutely right. Wasn't necessarily right and had to keep looking at and thinking well what could be if I wasn't mired on that title what could it be and then one day just came to me and it was like. I was thinking about mom because mom would tell us to look up a lot when we were out. Yes there's a wonderful story that you tell in the book about thinking that you were going to trip over the sidewalk grates always looking down to you. Got To tell us that story. Mom used to do these things called fundraise which probably would be station now but we would start out with breakfast out and then we'd go to a movie and we'd go bowling but we'd be gone all day so it was really fun so on one of the fund as she had taken us to downtown. Kansas City Missouri. And I don't know I was eight or nine. You know they have those events in the sidewalks. Oh yeah when you're a little kid. They're terrifying or they were to me. I always thought they were gonNA break right when I walked on him. I was going to fall down into the dungeon and I. So I'm pretty focused on my impending death on walking over this event and mom's poking me and saying look look up. Look up see that guard oil and I looked up and there were these amazing gargoyles on a building downtown and it's like I was so entrenched with them. I forgot to be afraid and there are all kinds of things like that. Mom was always saying. Look at the clouds. What do you see? And then there wouldn't be a wrong answer. It's a great example. I love it now. You talked a little bit at the beginning about positively that there's just so much negative that we are saddled with these days it's everywhere this the the non stop media the EV- everything is just coming at us and so much of it is negative. Give us an example of a real example of the good that you can see if you do. Take your advice to look up in. Its broadest sense. I think one of the best examples is if you're in a business meeting you go into your standard business meeting these days. Everyone shows up with their laptop. Everyone has their phone out on the desk. Everyone's focused on what they're doing. But if you look up and you're focused on someone who's talking or you're focused on someone else. Who is listening? You will make a connection and you will get a much better understanding of what that person is trying to communicate or how that person is feeling. So you've got Joe is up there talking about an idea and if you look up and make eye contact with chain you're gonNA see. The Jane is doing everything she can not to roll her eyes right so I mean a good in. That is that you can get a better grasp of what's happening around you whereas if all you're doing is looking down literally you miss it all. Yeah you don't get that body language you don't get like facial expressions that show how messages are being received. All you're doing is frantically taking notes or reading the background information on the meeting and that you're missing a lot of the important information in the meeting if that's all you're getting another example of looking up for the good I think actually does come from the physical act of looking up sometimes when stuck for an idea and I'm trying to write something for a client. Maybe it's an annual report. Maybe it's something like a headline for an ad and nothing is coming to me. If I physically get up from my office go for a walk. Look up at the clouds at the trees at whatever while. I'm focused on something else that I'm seeing. My brain has a moment of clarity. Where the idea will come to me when you're not chasing the idea. It's like love if you're not chasing it. Sometimes you find it right. That's so true. Sometimes some people call them shower moments. You know go for a ride in the car. Whatever change you're setting and just give give your brain chance to relax and at during those moments than the good things come and that is when you're looking up to me. That's part of it talked about in the book. There are ways that teams can use the messages that you have about looking one of the things that we all crave is to be seen and to be heard to one of the best gifts shooting. Give a team. Whether that team is the people you work with your clients your family your friends. Whoever talking about one of the best gifts you can give them is to focus on them and be truly present for them when they're talking to you when you're with them be where you are. I have seen so many people fall into a trap of. They're trying to take care of work issues when they're home. They're worrying about home when they're at work they're very scattered and the doesn't really benefit anybody involved in the team so if you can stop for a moment and focus on. What's right in front of you? The team right in front of you. People will feel seen her and appreciated and they've done some fascinating studies over the years. People for example. Who are happy at work are more productive. People who feel appreciated at work are more productive. So it's not just good for personal relationships at work and at home. It's good for productivity. It's good for business when you're really actively engaged in your team and you're listening to them. It's a wonderful thing in this book is not intended to be a business book specifically it really covers people and living. It's got great advice in general in that very since but there are a lot of important business lessons in it too. I think there are a lot of important business lessons in it because what I've done over the course of establishing a successful career I've run my own company for seventeen years and I have blended home and were my very first. Management Job was in radio and at the time I worked for shamrock which was owned by the Disney family so we had some nice resources and when I got into management. They sent me to some classes to learn more about management and one of the first things. I learned was that this was back in the eighties. Women who were moving into management. We're getting some of the same illnesses that men in management had and they were getting more heart disease and stress related illnesses and things like that one of the issues for women in management was that they were trying to manage like men and then they were going home and trying to be maternal said they were trying to be one person at work and another person at home so I decided early on on okay. I'm kind of a Jewish Mama. I'm just GONNA manage like a Jewish Mama and frankly it's worked pretty well for me too. That's part of why I blend things like that. You're so right whenever you talk about the power of presence the power being in the moment and importantly while you're in that moment to be listening and focused on the people around you. How can that listening? Reveal things to you that others might miss one of the things. I've found over? The years is bad. People will tell me I'm a really really good writer. I appreciate that. I think I am a good writer but what I typically tell them back is thank you. I'm a really good listener because what I have discovered time and time again is that when I'm talking to my clients if I'm listening to them they will give me the headline. They will give me the story. They will say something. That is so absolutely perfect all I have to do is fix the grammar or put in the right punctuation. The other Nice thing about that. A lot of the kind of writing I do is supposed to be in that person's voice not my voice so if I'm listening to them I can get their voice and what a hand back to them. Sounds like them. Therefore they're the editing process is so much faster so much easier so it's a real benefit and they're the experts on whatever they're talking about one of the things that useful with kids and with business clients is when a child comes home from school and they have a drawing. And you look at that drawing and you're thinking good. God would is that that is not the correct response to the kid what you want to say to the kid is. That is such a beautiful trying. Tell me about it. Then they have the opportunity to say well. I was drawing dragon. And you know cloud came over the dragon and Blah Blah Berry. Same thing works in business meetings. Somebody will say something. You'll be listening and you'll be thinking that is the stupidest idea I've ever heard or you'll be thinking very classic. That's not how we do it. That's not how it's been done. Both of those kind of things will shut somebody down instead. If you just say that's interesting. Tell me more number one. The idea that they're suggesting might be brilliant. It's completely within the realm of possibility that something you didn't think of is wonderful number two if it's stupid and you were right in the first place then. The person who had the idea is still going to feel better because that person is going to feel like they were heard so true. Another thing I want to talk about his creativity. You have a wonderful quote comes actually near the end of your book. But it's it's from Picasso and he says every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist. Once we grow up. And I think that quote has particular relevance in today's businesses and we have so many major issues to solve in health care the environment lieu of other areas. So what do you say to our business listeners? Who feel that. They've had all that creativity squeeze out of them over the years when you know being told to draw between the lines and here's as you just mentioned it before we don't do things that way and just you just had all that squeezed out and it's just easier to succumb to the rules then to be creative about it and yet you know that an order to tackle some of these problems that I mentioned it's going to take a creative solution. What you suggest for people in that situation to regain that creativity. It's really a wonderful question. I'm not going to give a pat answer because there's not an easy answer I will tell you one of the last surveys. I noticed online when you look at what employers want creativity was one of the top top things listed. I think it was a linked in survey. Maybe so people are saying they want creativity. But you're very right when you're actually in a business meeting sometimes. The last thing that people want is creativity so if you have a wonderful idea if you feel like you've got a really great creative idea figure out how you can present that in a way that will let other people also take ownership of it though. You can suggest a brainstorming session and in the middle of the brainstorming session you can bring up your idea and get other people's ideas too. You can go into a brainstorming session with your brilliant creative idea. You can go ahead of time to talk to whoever is in charge. Just a one on one and you can start it with. I really appreciate a where we're going with this project and I'm having fun being on the team. I had an idea I'm very excited about and I wanNA share it with you. You know and just launch into it. The worst thing they can do is shut you down. I'll also tell you in terms of regaining. Some of that childhood creativity is at some of US lose. I think a lot of it can start personally at home. It's like think about something that gave you tremendous joy when you were a kid and do it again you know. What are you doing to foster your own creativity? What are you doing to foster your soul? What are you doing to make yourself? Happy is reading the news every day. Make you happy maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't maybe need to read the news. And then maybe you need to read the funnies you know maybe in need to read a book maybe you need to go draw or doodle and don't judge what you're doing so. I think part of it is to say to yourself. You know what creative skills my not using. And then start honing them. I talk a lot in the book about presence and being present for other people. I think it's very important to be present for yourself and to look around and she who you have surrounded yourself with who on your team is supporting your creative excitement. Whose urging you to think of new things to think of something in a new way a different way to explore some option who supports you. Who encourage you? You should have an answer to that. And if you look around and can't think of anyone who is encouraging your creativity than you need to explore how you can find some people who support your creativity. You made a good point earlier in the discussion here. About how sometimes you just need to get up and go to another room or take a walk something to get you out of your current environment and taking it one step further you also have to allow time for other activities in your life that aren't necessarily related to your work or even to your family. You have to give yourself a break to go pursue some of those. What would you do in that regard the things that I do? I've been doing this now for a couple of years. Is the best volunteer job on the planet. I am a baby rocker so once a week for four hours from five to nine at night. I go to one of the local hospitals. I go to the MIC. You and I rock babies and people say oh. That's so wonderful. It's so good for the babies. It is really good for the babies. They've done studies that show that being held close as good for their the little premiums for their development. It's good for the parents that gives them a chance to get dinner. Whatever and it's also wonderful for me. It's four hours of a no phone zone by the way phones are not allowed. So it's four hours of peace and quiet and snuggles. It's amazing it is so refreshing. Yeah don't think that you don't have enough time to do those kind of things because in addition to the reward and the satisfaction you get they also refresh you. They absolutely do they help restart you. It's funny you mentioned. Don't have enough time one of the stories. I tell and this came to mind because I mentioned Desmond Tutu in the book so years ago. I had a job working at the University of Missouri. Kansas City archbishop to his wife came to campus and I had the joy of escorting them around part of the day. It was amazing. It was wonderful and the next week. Those of us who personally assisted Desmond. Tutu got personal. Thank you notes from the man. Now I will tell you people tell me all the time. They don't have time to do things and I'm GonNa tell you. We all have the same twenty four hours a day. If the Nobel Peace Prize winner has time to write me a thank you note. You probably have time to do whatever you really need to get done you know. It's all a matter of how we prioritize. That is just an absolutely wonderful story. We've talked a lot about looking up in business about looking up in order to be more receptive to an idea to really focus in and listen to what people are trying to express to us to be aware of certain situations where we shouldn't just take what happened at face value. We've talked a lot about that but a lot of times to we have to look up at the bigger picture as well. Not just there in business but we have to make certain critical decisions. If you're starting to really feel like you're in a red if you're really starting to feel negative you have to start asking yourself questions about. Am I doing what I'm supposed to be doing? Period talk to us about that. Broader look and sometimes those are the really hard scary questions because they force us to look beyond what we've built our lives on what's familiar. It means giving up a lot of things that we thought maybe we were going to take to our graves so so tacos about how the look up. Philosophy works in those situations. Well I can give you the question that prompted me to look up and start my own company. Seventeen years ago. My sister had taken me to a women's health conference and the keynote speaker asked the question. What would you do today if you were brave? Now the question was not. What would you do if you knew you could not fail? Which is a question you see. A lot of places becomes a mean. Well that question never resonated with me because I knew absolutely I was GONNA fail. We're all GONNA fail. That's not possible so it didn't that question didn't resonate with me. What would you do today if you were brave? That made me look way up. That made me look beyond what I was doing and I had a job I loved. I was creative director at an AD agency. Well a PR agency working with people. I adored then and still a door but as I was driving home from that conference I thought what I would do if I were brave would go out on my own so I wouldn't have to manage people anymore. I could focus on writing. Which is what I love and I could do that so I went home and quit and that was seventeen. Years ago. Launched the company August two thousand and two launch TACO OFF HARNESS COMMUNICATIONS. It has been personally and professionally rewarding. I have loved it. It's been challenging at times. I'm very proud of the work I've done over the years. I'm so so honored to have worked with the clients. I've worked with over the years and I'm really excited about everything that I have had the opportunity to learn now. I'm at a point where I think I need to ask myself that question again. So for example. I mentioned that people have told me before you should write a book. You should write a book writing a book and putting it out in the universe. That's an act of bravery that's an answer to the question. What would you do today if you're brave? Now that I have the book out there I'm also at a point in my life where I'm looking ahead. I'm asking myself that question today. Okay you have proven you can run a business. You have proven you can support a family and make a good living and do all of that. Now what do you want to do? What would you do today if you were brave to get the answer to that I am going to have to continually look up? Look Beyond and see what's out there for me and I think that's an exciting opportunity. I I look forward to doing that. What would I do if I were brave? Just a great question. You have a website. You talked earlier about creative instigation. That was almost the title of your book but You do have a website in creative instigation dot com. Where you got over a thousand blog items out there so that people interested in learning more about how you think and some of your suggestions for looking up and being creative are out there anything else they can find on that site. They'll find an email to me a direct link to my email and I'm always delighted to hear from people. I think mentoring people is one of the reasons I'm here on. Earth is to help people out so feel free to send me questions. Love to hear from people and there's a link to the book on Amazon. So it's a good portal and I'll say again. The book is wonderful. Thank you so much for being our guest. Today thank you. This has been a delight. Thanks very much and I'm your host. Kelly scanlon. Thanks for joining us today. Be Sure to visit the talking business now. Website at talking business now dot com for access to all my podcasts and to sign up for the weekly talking business now newsletter.

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Coral spawning and assisted evolution at Australia's Sea Simulator

The Science Show

22:41 min | 1 year ago

Coral spawning and assisted evolution at Australia's Sea Simulator

"We've heard for many years now that the Great Barrier. Reef is in trouble. The most recent bleaching events in two thousand sixteen and twenty seventeen decimated. Huge swathes of Carl Cranston staf fish dredging and run off cyclones, and of course, climate change all threaten this ecosystem to one way humans might be able to help. Coral survive is through so cold assisted evolution, a suite of techniques that try to encourage corals to adapt to more challenging environments, but this approach is not without controversy. Researches at the ustralian institute of marine science have been testing with assisted evolution could work inside an impressive thirty five million dollar facility in north Queensland cold, the national se- simulator will cease him for short an important part of their research takes place every year in October and November around annual coral spawning. So I joined the research is one Tober often loss Jia just after a full moon when the coral was ju- to spawn flacco biologists. It's really a bit like Christmas. It comes early for us. But it's such an exciting time. It's a time where we get to ask lots of questions that we hope will provide new solutions to try and help the reef in these difficult times, Dr Lene obey who will hear more from shortly. But I seem opperations manager. Craig Humphry showed me around the facility. It's a really sophisticated marine experimental facility. So we set up experiments that we haven't made out of do previously. So rather lodge institute here in Townsville? A lot of people are quite surprised. We're fifty kilometers outside of Townsville in the middle of national pockets facility bother coast. He I'm just being here for over forty years. And we were fortunate off a few years ago to get additional funding to build the simulator before we step inside. Give me a sense of what sort of work is going on here at the moment. Cowardly, you know, the the focus is on coral spawning cholerae production and the focus of a lot of that work. This year is on refrigeration, you what can we do to cease the reef in dealing with climate change? But we do a whole range of racer to climate change is obviously one of the K ones, but we look at the impacts of contaminants whether that be sediment for dredging, Audrey carbons, herbicides insecticides. We also look at pissed species such as a crown of foreign starfish, tell me about Karl spawning. Why is this such a busy time? Some of you guys. So there's a large proportion of curls on the rape that reproducing one spectacular event of the year. What we're fortunate? He in towns will we get mass boring. Twas e we get the Carl's which occur in October. And then the main mess boring from the Rafe which occurred in November. So it's one of the busiest times, and it's actually really critical that we get a ride piece of research is only have one chance they said coz once a year, and if we get it wrong that's gonna white twelve months of the next attempt at it. Inside each room is stacked with rows and rows of worrying burgling tanks the first room. Now this. Now this. Every year since two thousand fourteen around the full moons in October and November marine scientists have been collecting coral from the reef and sporting at hia these calls came from the palm oil and group just north of town. So we go out to the the full moon and interesting enough, you can break a branch off a Carl, and you can see the eggs within the Carl. So we only collect girls that we know we're going to school. So we bring small fragments back to the facility we maintain them onto reef temperature conditions. I will say the natural sunlight and Luna sokoll, and they'll sport in synchronicity with the curls on the radio. These sporting nights us some of the most important moments of the year for coral researches whole experiments, I designed around breeding specific colonies or individuals, but the exact conditions that lead to spawning a not yet known. It's late afternoon. And many of the scientists busy checking the tanks all around us for any early signs. Carl might finally be ready tonight. It is very very hectic. So a lot of us have digest. We're going to be during the day doing a job in sporting daughter out about six PM, and depending on what species you're working with the sporting. We'll continue till about ten eleven pm. But at that stage, you experiments dotting, look, it's exciting. There's an amazing energy and the Thrusday hasn't around coal sporting because it's a spectacular event. It's one of the most beautiful eventual ever say, it's it's stunning. The aquarium's at CCM, Ken. Precisely simulate various conditions in the ocean adjusting water temperature will P H or sediment levels. This allows researches to test how corals respond to different environmental challenges and to test whether they can find a way to help corals adapt to those conditions a process known as a sister. Evolution. Assisted evolution is an umbrella term for kind of biological toolbox of techniques one of the strands of research in this tool. Books is cold stress conditioning by exposing Carl's to Hasha conditions, for example, those seen during coral bleaching events, the idea is that some may simply adapt over time I met one of the research is working on this strand of research. Dr Neil kitten. And I'm the lead researcher on this long-term multigenerational climate change experimental corals looking to enhance the tolerance of corals through pre conditioning. So what we're trying to do here is to expose corals to warmer conditions and more acidic conditions that we expect to see over the coming decades. We've got three different treatments. We've got to present day condition. We've got a one and a half degree scenario. That's projected to happen by about the mid twenty fifty and we've got a two degree warming scenario that we're hoping that the global community maintains the ocean warming scenarios at we're currently headed beyond that to degree upper thermal limit and we're seeing how exposure over a long period. What that does? Was for the tolerance of the parental. Coral colonies, we have in the system and the offspring that they produce these corals now are corals have spent their entire life in captivity under these conditions, and we do have more tolerant, Gino types that are capable of surviving the bleaching exposure that we put them through last summer, and we're looking at harnessing those tolerant Gino types into the future. Individual corals, like individual people have different genetic makeup or Gino type the gives them unique traits such as being able to survive in Wilma water finding and possibly using the genes associated with greater tolerance is the goal of a second strand of research in the assistant evolution toolbox known as a sister did, gene flow. If there is such as he can find a gene that makes coral more resilient to warm water. This gene could be encouraged to spread how might this work in practice. Dr. Lena bay senior research scientist with the stray leeann institute of marine science some corals naturally live in warm waters, and those corals can actually with high pitches before they bleach system of the way that we're doing now is to say whether we can help facilitate the movement of those heat adapted individuals or those genes from. Woma populations into cooler but warming populations. How do you try to transfer genes or the the stability of some individuals? Elsewhere. Well, so actually using some of the techniques that humans have used for thousands of years. So we into breed tried to cross corals from naturally warmer raves with those from cooler, raves for example. And then we look at how temperature tolerant the offspring are whether the Lavi the babies from the heat adaptive parents have high tolerance. And given breeding and testing heritage -bility of certain traits is at the core of this technique, the researches need to use these brief coral spawning windows, HEI Vanu crosses. The Baroda field of assisted. Evolution was a relatively fringe area of research in conservation science until recently and for good reasons. Some worry that the research will introduce genetically modified Carl species that could upset the ecosystems balance while others argue that breeding will selecting for some traits may introduce of unwanted characteristics. But Lena bay says the goal is to simply speed up natural processes. Many of these methods. I'm not about genetic engineering. They really about facilitating the movement of corals from perhaps a warm reef to cool reef and Carl's dispersed among reefs normally the Ed Oates Acidini Terry, and they don't move very far at least, but they have Lavi and those Lavi Ken, disperse boss distances doesn't happen very often. And so what some of our research is really looking at doing is can we enhance that Laval dispersal just a little bit just a notch to help populations. Adopt. As you say all of these things things that we've been doing with other species. Whether it's picking the strongest individuals or even transplanting strong population to a different place. Yeah. That's right. But I think it's also important to recognize that it's a little different when we're talking about a wall because he's so while we can use some of the approach. Which is that humans have used to breed and produce a crop send the animal species that we associate with. We're not talking about broccoli. We're not talking about breeding fabulous dogs to have as pets. We're talking about a wild ecosystem. And so what we're hoping to do with our is really to create options opportunities to perhaps help them adapt slightly faster than they would normally. But really to to keep them as healthiest we can in. This really challenging time. Some have even suggested assisted evolution may create new species of genetically modified super Carl. But Craig Humphry says that's not they go and likely not possible using these techniques. Carl's can adapt and acclimate to a certain extent, but die count with Dan increasing temperature indefinitely. So we not creating Super Bowls will looking for those traits within a Carl that info them tolerance that said every year during the annual sporting events, the researches crossbreeding Carl's sometimes even crossing different species to see whether they can find more adaptable hybrid offspring. They might not be making GM super Carl's, but they are trying to create new stronger Carl's, this is yet another idea from the assisted evolution toolbox that the research is testing it's known as hybridization mo- drastic approaches. Like this have rarely been applied to conservation. Partly because there is still significant unanswered questions about how new resilient corals specially grown in facilities. Like this could then be spread. And settled across the largest reef in the wild. But before that's even possible hybridization would need to be shown to be effective in the lab. It's late afternoon. And many seem researches a beginning to arrive for a long evening of work. It's the first Carl spawning year for some including any lamb PHD student from the university of Melbourne. The late nights a great, actually, I'm loving it. I think he just run off adrenaline so worried that I'd miss this person was like what does it look like and. Yeah, but you can't miss it. Soup of. Yes. In pretty exciting. We don't really specifically know what it is about the time of year that makes them go. We know something to do with temperatures. Something's did with the marine, but based guys nice and moody some of the scientists putting on red headlamps. Artificial lights can upset coral spawning as it appears to be linked to the light of the moon, but corals aren't as sensitive to this deem, red Kulla. Craig Humphry tells me scientists from around the globe and across the stray Leah come to see him each year for this unique event issue will spawn three hundred colonies of Carl. So we're in the vicinity of twenty five different species. We had forty five people won all those people will have a head torch on with just red light. So it's an amazing mosaic of red light moving around in that spice outside the. Now with the sun setting some of the lights deeming or switching off over various tanks to mimic the changing light outside. The research is don't know if any coral species will spawn tonight, but then while I was talking with Lina bay. Second. That's in that are sore starting his four now. Let's go Luke is that. All right. Let's. Let's. We head over to one of c seems aquarium technicians. Anton nine is only just bowling. And it looks like we might have some Carl's funding of -solutely one of corporate Spacey's that we working as decided to sit and it's should release over the next AL Rosa. AOL rosa. You've never got any idea. Whilst it seems like they stick to a schedule. It never really goes to schedule. Send species unpredictable and then others such as predictable. You just wouldn't believe it. We're working with the species, and it's been spawning at six forty two two years in a row a milk. Tell me exactly how we know that this species is getting ready to spawn. But what you can say along the branch his characteristic, Kimberly appearance. You can actually see the bundles coming to the surface of the coast t shirts, and they ready to be addicted and spawned and these Agan spin bundles they tend to have a beautiful pink or red of racy colossi. It's pretty obvious when it's just about to happen. So we get about half an hour warning. As night falls the final dim lights over the tanks. Switched off red headlamps. Begin to float around us in the gloom reflecting off the water across the rows of tanks. It looks a little like the set of horror or science fiction film with gloss aquariums filled with red lit creatures. You don't always see the people that are working across the lab for me to see these eerie lights in the distance. And it's hard to figure out exactly where they are. So it does have a bit of a spooky by. Kali? Randall is a post doctoral fellow at the ustralian institute of marine science, who's focused on understanding the unusual reproduction patents of different Carl species around us research is a racing back and forth to separate the sperm and eggs of the curls that a spawning tonight much of the assisted. Evolution research is conducted on a handful of well understood species of coral, but there are hundreds of species on the Great Barrier. Reef so research is like Dr Randall a trying to learn more about how to breed and grow the other lists studied species. So we have several new species for cease him for spawning and a couple that haven't really been studied very much at all. So we still have so much to learn about some of these species. And so a lot of what we're doing is really discovering how the species reproduce and the timing of reproduction and all of these characteristics that were interested in the size of the eggs and the frequency sperm concentrations that are ideal. So there's a whole lot, that's unknown. And that's what we're trying to figure out because I guess if we're talking about saving Carl's than we don't just want to say one species. That's right. We want to save a diversity. And so we have a really good understanding of the crop reds, and we can settle them. But there's another group of corals the genus price, for example, that is a very dominant wreath builder notoriously difficult to work with because they have incredibly small eggs. So we're working with Paradees and many others that are common, and that may be hardier as the climate changes into the feature the action starting. Next to us here because we've had some spawning tonight. So what's happening on this bench? Yep. So acropora lingerie at this is spawning the evening, and so what these researchers are doing is carrying the eggs sperm bundles that they've collected from each of individual colonies into the lab, and then they'll perform individual crosses to fertilize the eggs with the sperm from other corals. And he'd lamb is swirling a sea of of the coral sperm and eggs that have just spawned. She told me a little more about how research is he a crossbreed Carl. Now what's going on here? You're you're making coral babies. I think we are. We say this is Acura logos asses. And so this is the loss day of spawning. And there were just two colonies who still had something to give tonight. But to'sell you need so eat do is the species that were working with these Ecuador's they release these expon bundles and these extra bundles a lack little packages contain all of one individual's eggs and spend a buoyant which makes it easy for us. Because they sit up on top of the one we collect them up put them into a safe. And what the sieve does is. We just rotate the sieve and it breaks a pot though spun does and because the eggs a much bigger than the spam. The eggs stay above the SUV the sperm goes through the bottom. And then what we can do is. We can equal pots combine the different sperm and eggs of different colonies was it feel assisting the reproduction of Carl. I'm sure these guys probably do a better job on there are, but it's, but it's it's really cool to see the process. Yeah. And I'm pretty amazing amazing thing to be able to control specific crosses between different individuals in this way. Even if assisted evolution can be shown to work with coral in SIMS tanks. This option is not a guaranteed fix the researches would then need to find a way to spread. This new holiday Carl across the reef and Carl's would still need to be monitored of a multiple generations in the lab. And then in the wild. But Lena bay says given the changes occurring on the Great Barrier. Reef we may need to prepare rapid and drastic responses. So that they are options to save coral. If a win the needed. Until recently. Most of us thought about this research that we would doing in in a quite a theoretical context. What we've seen over the last three years is a massive destruction of coral reefs in astray, and what is in across the globe. So it's really put a certain agency to the front of this research. Can we help Caro's become more temperature tolerant Ken, we apply some of these theoretical constructs to ecology to conservation. I think it's important to recognize that a lot of this research or these applications of really knew we don't ni- how it's going to work out early results from the lab of very promising. But we don't we don't fully understand the benefits of these purchase. And we don't fully understand the risks either. And so I think it's really important that we continue this research, and we do it in a way that we get the full peak. Cha and that we have that. College before race potentially get to a stage where we are willing to take right? Every six. So is she hopeful about this path? Well, early results in lab, really promising. We are finding temperature tolerant corals we are finding that they poss- that tolerance onto their offspring. And so I think that this. But we copy naive about the challenge ahead and breeding corals in laboratory setting to recede. The reef is not a great place to be. But it might be what we have to face in the future. And if we want to keep healthy into the future, we really need to tackle climate change. We need to keep temperatures onto control. That's important coral reefs. But I think it's important for humanity. Full stop and say the way that we're doing is no silver bullet, and it's no quick fix. We need to tackle the underlying sources of the declines that we're seeing, but we also have to recognize that race will continue to womb for quite a few years to come even if. We were able to stop CO two emissions tomorrow. So what bought into certain amount of warming. And if the last couple of years on the Great Barrier Reef is anything to go by luckily to see more bleaching events in the future. So what are we going to do? In the intervening time. Are we going to stand by all we going to try and provide solutions for our manages and decision makers to to try and help race get through this difficult time? But this really no doubt that if we can't tackle climate change the future look for the Great Barrier. Reef is not great. And for more hopeful glimpses of a stray is marine wildlife. Be sure to check out the new ABC TV series, the magical land of Oz. The first episode exploring our oceans, and Ireland's is on ABC view.

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Tim Snyder

The Good Fight

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Tim Snyder

"Bill. We have the fake in the whole island Acton toll sokoll tradition. We've made it the facts are just out there and that in a fair fight though win, but they're not out there. They have to be produced, and they have to be pushed into the fight if they're gonna have a chance. And now the good fight with Yasser monk. Welcome to the podcast that such as the ideas, policies and strategies, but can Beato photon populace like Donald Trump for the next four years and an X forty. About ten days ago. I'm gonna Merckel announced that she would step down as the leader of a question Democratic Union this coming December and not seek reelection. As Germany's Chancellor in twenty twenty one. This is a seminal moment in Germany's postwar history Levin exception of that brand of commodity Adna of hemmitt cool Merckel has shaped her country the most proposal period, and it is difficult. Not to have a lot of admirations. She made it to very top despite being triple outside a woman in a mostly Mayland of contrivance party Protestant in potty traditionally dominated by Catholics and somebody from countries east who had grown up on a communist rule until the age of thirty five. She also clearly has a steadfast commitment to some of the prince. Tipple's but have died at the Federal Republic since its founding should he believes in the rule of law and democracy and in European project, and yet I feel that I'm gonna Merckel will be remembered ravenous kindly by history than most now believe and the reason for that is that she is not visually leader, not somebody who's able to guide her country for rhetoric and as a result, she has failed to confront the free. Biggest crises, but Germany and European continent has faced in blast twelve years. I when you're a crisis ruptured it exposed to fundamental construction floor in the euro, you cannot have a currency union without a political union and some people wanted to move to want to put it I was Ford need to fro weak countries. Like Greaves out of the euro in order to make it manageable. Well, I'm gonna Merckel didn't do either one Lovie other. Instead, she was kept giving Greece and other some new ping countries just enough money to tide them over but not enough money to fry and not enough political reforms to actually fix the underlying problems as a result after ten years of significant suffering in Greece in some of us have in European countries. The fundamental laws remained the same ready to be exposed when a public government takes over in Italy. The next economic crisis hits Secondly, the refugee crisis its origins. I little bit was settlement people think in with some of twenty fifteen Merckel was frequently criticized for not responding quickly after phobic attack and condemning it for telling an asylum seeker teenager on life TV that she could not how. Stay in the country. So when lots of refugees were coming in and some of twenty fifteen and there's no clearly options for how to keep people who ready neural out of German soil Merckel, did she usually did which is to run after public opinion when it had seemed to swing and favor of refugees. As soon as she did vet opinion. Swung back and Merckel ebb. The pragmatist followed in its path she may deals with reason Turkey to make sure that refugees no longer could get to Johnny. But because she never publicly explained course of action because she never told Germans that some of twenty fifteen would not be repeated under her watch because she was unwilling to speak openly about some of the real challenges. But the influx of refugees had cost it made it easy for riot to claim that she wanted to replace the German population or that she was blind to some of the challenges, and as a result V if d has become the first power party since nineteen forty five to establish itself as a. Fixture of German political system. Third, and perhaps most importantly Merckel has done virtually nothing to deal with a rise of a four-time populism around the world, and especially in central Europe a few years ago, it might still have been possible to build a coalition to ensure that the us stop subsidising, Victoria ban with its funds as he turned his country into an autocracy. It may even have been possible to start proceedings to expel hungry from the opinion. Mocha didn't push for any of that. In fact, she even tolerated Albans party fee dash would continue to be a member of the European People's Party her own faction in the European parliament as a result, the very legitimacy of the European Union is now in doubt for German citizens. Do by large understand why they should pool the sovereignty with free citizens in France Italy. But the do not understand why they should have to share this often tea with an aspiring dictator in Budapest. Also, we irony of Angela Merkel's than is that she would have made an excellent German leader in more than retire. But she happened to be Germany's Chancellor at the one moment since World War Two in which Europe and the world would have needed Germany to have real vision. And she was repeatedly incapable of providing that. And this also means that the biggest danger facing Germany is not a change. Of course, it is that her successor will continue to believe that politics as usual is a way of standing up for the liberal democratic values which fold of loss. Angola Merkley believes. I just spoke to Tim Snyder. And we had a great conversation. Tim is the Richardson eleven professor of history at Yale University. He is the author of many bestselling books including on tyranny and his latest road to unfrozen Russia Europe, America would discuss the bunch of things we have common. We also have some divergent views. And so we talked for example, through not fascism is the right kind of prison for understanding what's going on. And remember we talked about some of the causes of his populist moment. And what we can do something about them. And for once I may have ended up being the more optimistic personal conversation. So that's not a reason to stay and listen to what we talked about. I don't know. What is the Tim? Thank you so much for coming on the podcast in my pleasure. Glad to talk to you. So listen, you know, I have a reputation as a pessimist, I think. Situation is quite die on United States. I think it's even more Warren in many parts around the world. You may be a one person in space who more pessimistic than me. Why do you think that the right frame for thinking about some of the stuff is not just for time populism? It's in some ways actually wrote to fascist, and what hopes do you think we have of standing up against this moment? The first of all I think the reason I see things the way I do is that I'm coming from two places which are not American thousand eighteen I'm coming from the history of the middle of Europe in the middle of the twentieth century. That's what I work on. And so I take it for granted that people who are not so very different from us can find themselves in situations, which are much starker and much more. Terrifying. I take for granted that Germany in nineteen forty one or the Soviet Union thirty seven or normal are possible are places that humans had been which means that they're places where humans can go. The second place that I come from is eastern Europe. I spend as much mental time in Russia and Ukraine as I do in the US, or at least until very recently that was the case. And when I look at Russia and Ukraine in the twenty first century. I see a logical extension of certain tendencies that when or disease United States, especially having to do with the media, and with inequality of income and wealth into that helps me I think to see what's possible I've been struck by this. Well, but obviously when you grow up, you sort of look back at something like the Nazi era and look at the horror of it came out of it and easiest way of making sense of it is to say, well, this was just a different time. It was different people in so long before I was born a VC wouldn't be possible now, and the more you study it and do phobe studied pure, it's moving the most the more you recognize how similar people are across time in their basic instincts in the basic emotions in on and a half on myself struck of NAS Pierre. But some the power does. Now, I think the difference. At least as important, what strikes me, for example, is that in a way can make sense of why center right deputies in Germany nineteen fifty free ended up the headline because exit at a certain point the risk of not doing. So was very high. You did have a real going to concentrate comes quite quickly. When looking for the last couple of years and try to make sense of why congressional Republicans have enabled Donald Trump so much. And again, I am not sure that it's helpful to compete Trump to anything like that. So make clear, but even of Mara of Donald Trump may be much lesser the risks of standing up to him. I also much much less of a most of the congressman has to lose is that he has to go and make a bunch of money on K street or something it was a wire. So few people standing up to and I think they're just the basic calculations of wanting to be in power of rational choice was higher payoff. And so on kit invitation way that did back in states. So I see Powell's I guess where I'm a little skeptical that where people may be the same. Of all society seems quite different. We live in a much more affluent society, which has a much deeper democratic tradition, which has been for all of the trauma of last decade's much traumatized than for example, Germany had been invited Republic had been much as a custom to totally town ruled in Russia and Ukraine hat mid-nineties. So what you make Voest differences those this analogies. I think just in terms of the point of view from which we start I think it's more helpful intellectually politically and even ethically to start from a position of humility and start from addition of possibility than to start from position of American action was them or American exceptionalism. We don't have to even mention Mercer Ukraine or not the Germany. We can just stay very close to the history of the United States and one move very quickly. See all kinds of things from right wing politics in the thirties now to immigrants, Dan or the history of. Slavery and our treatment of African Americans which could ensured shock people out of the view that somehow democracy in the United States is given. But that said, I mean, I think it's also important to look for parallels. Not because things are exactly the same agree with you completed that they're not the because the path can reveal some of the conditions of the present that we might not notice, otherwise like, for example, globalization has an arc and the globalization tends to lead to just kind of contradictions that we see now or for that matter in the nineteen twenties or that changes in media. Unpredictable. I mean in early twentieth century, everyone assumes that radio is going to be positive and enlightening for that matter in the sixteenth century. Everybody assumes that the pretty impressive going to be positive enlightening. Everyone assumes nearly twenty first century that the internet's going to be positive in enlightening. But his three tells us that just ain't so that new communications technologies have hugely unpredictable consequences. That would have been a good thing to remember about the internet, for example that is. To say that internet is just like radio or the printing press. It is the say that broadly speaking, there are some patterns and one of those patterns that new communications technologies tend to lead us in places where we don't expect to go. No, you're right. That people are facing fewer risks now than they were in Germany in nineteen thirty three at least after February nineteen thirty three. But the general tendency to adapt in advance, which historians of Germany, I think of quite rightly drawn attention to is one that once he's the US as well. We have already normalized a whole lot of things in last two years that in two thousand and sixteen people would not have regarded as normal and the question is, you know, wind is the tendency to normalize stop. And the answer is never people as you say take advantage of opportunities right up until memorial. They start being afraid and by the time they started being afraid it's already too late. So the political lessen the general political lesson is you have to start doing things when you're not afraid and you have to ask yourself. What's normal for you? As opposed to what everyone else finds normal at a given time. What do you think is one thing that has been really normalized in the last two years in United States surprised do is anything where sort of reality outpaced euless expectations? No, no going back to the beginning of the question. I'm not an optimist or a pessimist. I don't try to see things one way or another. I'm historian. I think there's a huge range of possibility. And the reason I try to get out of front of things when I read on Turney was to alert us to the broad range of possibility. So we can do things to try to constrain some of the worst possibilities. That's what I see got feeling that story is that many things are possible that we don't see put business away often that isn't important of the logical point that even really early on this debate before Donald Trump has gotten elected when I was sometimes being described as pessimistic person. But run I think is real debate off people wanted proof positive that democracies endanger. And I said, well that's getting advice wrong way round. I just need to show that that's real reason to fi, but it might be. Endanger. And that's the case, then we should get a very far up to checkout and do what we can to ensure a disease doesn't progress whereas four epistemological position that people took seem to be what unless you can prove to me, but amok is in danger visum Stasi pint, and it's a little bit. You have one of these symptoms at no doctor has yet definitively being able to prove visits Kansas. So just a few minutes. And I want your dad, you're no longer, and you can say, well, look, I was right. The whole time. Embed that logic lead. I would point even further. This is what I call in the new book and the road unfreedom. This is what I call the politics of inevitabilities, the idea that somehow there is this thing called democracy, which is somehow floating along on the current history. And it doesn't matter what we see or do somehow just there somehow advance into the future. I think that's entirely wrong way to think about democracy, democracy means rule by the people. And if people don't want to rule themselves and democracy will go away. I mean, that's what the Greek fed couple of thousand years ago, and they were absolutely right. It's not my observation or yours to say that democracy. If it's not taking care of will lead to oligarchy were all the guards manipulate people with myth argument was literally made by Aristotle. I mean, so the idea the democracies thing, I think is the problem democracies process. But that isn't just a negative operation. It's also a positive one because it would suggest that if we realized that democracy is this thing that we make ourselves because actually make democracy in the US better than it is. Which I think is necessary. I mean, I think the whole framework that we defend things that existed back in two thousand sixteen has to be wrong because of things that were in two thousand sixteen made two thousand eighteen possible. I think the right way to think about it is that we're not just offending American democracy. We have to be making American democracy. As you may know been traveling and hot for the past year, and again, and again, I've encountered problems with my infant in what kinds of public places, I worry about WI fi. I'm using if I want to access my Bank account. 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But I actually think of any I think anybody who serious invest field recognizes that the rise of a photon populism has deep roots. I'm the Duke routes include a counter reaction against real injustices. And that a phenomenal reasons we don't like us injustices that we want to see them address. But be even if you're just talking about saving the political system, and I do democracy is superior to its ton to even. Puffins you got to actually address them. And so that's always struck me as sort of strange augments. But it's one of it has quite a bit of county. Yeah. I agree with everything that you said, it's exactly right. That people say that. I would just add a problem that scholars have as scholars is that they try to stay away from ethical questions and without ethical questions. It's very hard to make the kinds of commitments that are necessary to actually complete the argument. So I worry about what you're calling populism to in the US. I would think of it more of the Saito populism because I think Trump is actually out to hurt rather than to help the people who vote for him. But I do care about the things which make populism possible. I care about the fact that Americans been so much time on the internet looking at things that are not true. I think that can be fixed. I carry great deal about growing inequality of wealth. I also think that can be fixed. And I think procedurally this is obvious procedurally. We'd be better off if you're more of a democracy, but we can't make those arguments unless we reveal some of our ethical priors, right? So. I think for example, that factuality equality and democracy are good things. But it's very hard to make arguments about the future without revealing some ethical priors. I think that's the place where scholars understandably get stuck because we are trying to maintain a certain position of object tippety and we can object with not having an ethical position. But yeah, I think you're absolutely right. I think to break out of this argument is to argue about the future and to say, look, it's not that we're defending status quo or treating as normal. It's that we know that if you just coming, and we think it can be a lot better as well. As a lot worse. So let's argue about the future a little bit. You mentioned free ariz- the internet and the false information that is providence on it wealth, inequality income inequality, and then the institutions of democracy in procedural things. So let's start with the internet. How would you describe the nature of the problem? We now face let me start from a completely different end. Like in the spirit of thinking about the future rather than just analyzing the president the internet is a presence which takes advantage of. Absence in the the absences local news, this is a consensus among people who study this all around the world win local news goes away. What happened that people start distrusting traditional journalism as such they start talking about the media, and they become more open to conspiracy theories or other kinds of general explanations that come from far away so elections in two thousand sixteen we had the odds spectacle in October of two thousand sixteen that third of Americans believe that Hillary Clinton was running pedophilia ring out of a pizza parlor that was a fiction which was generated by the emails of somebody that didn't know worked up by Russians in Saint Petersburg? In other words, just not true. It comes from very very far away. So I think the base problem is not just defending against the internet. It's more producing factuality where people live so that they can trust factual material. So that comes from people who are around him. I think that's the way that democracies have start defending themselves. I'm little. Skeptical of that. I mean, a lot of reason to you thinking, and and obviously the death of local newspapers United States is huge problem. The fact that a lot of local television stations a networks are being taken over by the network is very concerning. I agree with that at wonderful would confounding two different things, which is that in the past a lot more local news and society was less polarized. And we think those caused each other that what may be driving problem now is put a relation will broadly, Robin, lack of local news. I'm thinking about this and pot because I was at a foul right protests in Germany a few weeks ago because I'm writing a story about transformation of John politics as journalists, obviously. And I was standing at one point next to a local reporter who works for the newspaper. That's published in VAT small jump in town, and who covers all of these protests in solemn, and there was tremendous anger. And hatred towards because why does he these protests? Why does he make the town look bad? Why does he exaggerate what's going on here? None of what you did. I mean, he's in objective serious old-style DiPoto simply writes down what he is. But the pods and put arrest anger against the most extreme I think those driven in many pots by new media venture. It was driven by things like the times, which is a job in foul ride media network, which is becoming quite influential quite quickly. The wasn't an absence of canoes the a good local newspaper that people recognized the local reporter that the poor relation meant Advair vaping everything rises fake news. Anyway, I mean, that's my point. Right. I mean, it's not that local journalists are popular anymore than doctors have to be popular. Right. When they have bad news or the postman when he brings bad news. But the crucial difference is the one you identify in your question. They know the person they know he's a real person. They may not wish she didn't cover action covered. Why? Instead or. That he wrote in a different way about it. But they know that he's a real person. And they know that he was actually at the protest. That's the crucial thing. I haven't been no that they think that he's just, you know, Merck of Papa who's that allies about them? So it's not clear to me. Look, some people might think that, but when those people win the argument, and he goes away, then things are much worse is my point. Right. So a government or a society, which keeps local news going. He's pushing against the general idea that everybody is somebody else's puppet. And nothing is really true. I'm not saying that's a magic potion, which solves everything it makes everybody happy. But what happens when you have local news is that at least you have some basis of local conversation, which isn't driven entirely by spectres that are hundreds or thousands of miles away. Everything about this like once that guy goes away or once local news goes away. It's very hard to bring it back because people's habits are then change their then reconditioned into the polarization that you're talking about which is largely driven. By the way, the internet itself works as opposed to anything that's happening locally. So I agree that if the local news guy went away things would undoubtedly was, and I'm sure that he does an employment service. I'm just struck by the fact that if we're trying to explain the spread of fake news Valech of trust in institutions. And in fact, that even context what you do have a good local press you get the same phenomenon. Yes, sir. But it's not the only thing, but it's a necessary condition. And the reason I mentioned at first is because I worry that we're too much on the defensive so in this broader subject of the public fear, and how it still up with fiction. I think an important first step to remember that you have to actually create the fact you can't just say that fictions wrong. Fictions around other pictures wrong, you actually have to have institutions which create facts and can pump some of those facts into the public sphere. So at least they have a chance because our situation the reason why fictions win is that if you have two hundred and fifteen fictions in the room, then one of them is going to win, right? Two hundred and fifteen fictions in three facts, then at least the facts have a chance. So I mean, we have this mistake in the whole docks until softball tradition. We think that the facts are just out there and that in a fair fight though win, but they're not out there. They have to be produced, and they have to be pushed into the fight if they're gonna have a chance, but agree with you. That's a necessary not a sufficient condition for the rest of this to work. We also have to get a handle on how the big platforms handle the news. We have to get a handle on how yourselves tweet our screen time at cetera et cetera. I think that is more broadly known so that's a helpful distinction. I think this is necessary, but it's not unattended load because if people do have local news source, they do consolidate some extent the most of news, forget his national. Most of the news fake Gat is so for media, it may simply clips local news that the main presumptions about a world of national news and below Kunis contradicts it they don't learn to blow skeptical of national news. They go to skeptical of local news. So what can we do about changing how people perceive Bananal news? What can we do? For example, about the fact that. When I walk down the aisles on a German train now on John s Bahn sort of local railways, I see a ton of people browsing free poke times, which is having a dream struck me last time, I was that. We didn't new phenomenon. How do we deal with that? Yeah. They're short term things in their long-term things. And there's a philosophical thing. The philosophical thing is that you know, when is on the left or one is in the center, we have to get away from the position that everything's a matter of opinion. This is the damage that some parts of the left have done to themselves because if everything is just an opinion, then the people who have the best spectacle or going to win and the people have the best spectacle are not left-wingers, sending universities that people have the best spectacle are right wingers with the Breitbart or right wingers with, you know, the SDS here in Austria has its own closed alternative reality television channel there's no competition from the left for that. So at least philisophical we have to say, look, we think there is actually something like factuality, and that we have to push for it. I wanna double down invis- if I may. This is interesting to me. So I didn't know of you saw the serious off of fake papers that were published a few weeks ago. It was a lot of conversation about it. I wrote about it a bit of on Twitter and the Atlantic. So it was a rerun the Allen socal hoax from the late nineteen nineties. Yeah. I heard about that. Yeah. Yeah. So these office published twenty seven of which were published, and I think they were trying to make a pretty similar point van trying to save at look there's a whole bunch of academic journals. But no, long a half serious epistemological standards, which would about subjectivity rather than trying to Anka different. So facts in objective reality. And this is a problem and what I was struck by is. Unwillingness to do what you suggest it on behalf of not just the people who invested in verse a ticket a corners of those fields. Not just the people who like the kind of commodity. But serious 'cause who cannot about objectively who strive really hard to prove claims in kaffa Mana. And I think that will felt you know, the problem is that critique of that kind of subjectivity is going to be exploited by people on the far, right and Vafa our task dangerous put cla moment east to suckle the wagon is to ready around these fields. And even though a lot of the people who attacked vs hoax. Papis who defended the journals that published pretty ridiculous McConnell's actually deeply critical of that kind of felt it was the duty MS political moment to defend it. And I wonder what you think about I showed his view of what happened and second think that that's one of a dangerous investment that we ourselves become tribe. Allies in such a way that we not willing to clean house. Our side. Not wanting to say, hey, we need to get away from that subject of employees ample because we think it's going to be exploited. Michelle drawn by people will broadly because I didn't read the journal articles and only know about it 'cause I thought on the newspaper, but I mean, I have a couple of things to say the first is that it goes back to the question of ethics are scholars only objective in their own little field because that is the patch. That is our patch. Or do we believe in objectively everywhere? Right. It's easy to believe in object in your little corner because nobody cares about your little corner except junior ten colleagues. It takes a little bit more courage to say, I believe in actually everywhere whether it's climate change or whether it's officer banking accounts. I believe the talk show, -ality matters everywhere. Right. That's I think the stuff that we have to make this retreat epidemics as a kind of ethics. The second thing that I would say about this goes to something which you don't mention, but which is related, which is the whole business about free speech. I think when universities are challenged for not allowing free speech at cetera. Very strange is going on. What I worry about is that on the right on the far right on the kind of annoying institution. Destroying right, free speech means I'm allowed to say the most annoying thing possible, which does the most destroying thing to your institution. I e you know, you have to invite my favorite Nathi pedophile to your campus, or you don't believe in free speech that is using free speech to destroy the purpose of free speech. The purpose of free speech is for us to be able to say what we think is true. So that we can come to some kind of sensible conclusions in public and make better policy. Right. I mean, that's the number of the first amendment. That's why the first amendment is there. I take your point about the left. I think you're absolutely right. The left has to stop making it easy for the right on the other hand. There's a problem on the right, which is the right is also the liberally using exchange of ideas to destroy the idea the free exchange of ideas by only using it to try to spread ideas, which people are gonna find obnoxious and difficult. So in the academy their problems all around, but I think the answering these problems is fairly simple. You know that we a from before on the left. We think we believe in pursuit. The truth. Even when it's a little bit uncomfortable for us when we're out of our comfort zone. And if you're on the right it should be. We understand the purpose of free speech is not just to make trouble for people. But the try to actually pursue the truth. Yeah. That seems convincing to me. So I sort of slowed you down by doubling down on this particular piece. But you speaking broadly about how to battle the problem Folsom summation of national scale. So thank you. Well done almost no never remembers their previous question. Yeah. So there are a couple of other things. I mean, this is boring, but it's true in the long run. It has to be education. If we want voters of the future to be able to use media sensibly, we have to get screens out of the classroom. I mean, there's a reason why everybody in Silicon Valley sends their kids to classrooms without screens. And that is because they want to create children who are able to deal with the mess that they've made that has to be general policy. We have to give kids a humanities and civics education. So that they have a chance of dealing with that reality later, if we give it to them when they're too young to deal with it. Then how are they going to be responsible readers voters in the future? That's one thing that we. Definitely have to do. So there's waspy there's pedagogy. And then another thing is to get serious from the inside about how the machines work. I mean, we kind of set slept walk into this long encounter. We have with the machines by which I mean, the internet and the social platforms. We treat them as normal. When in fact, we're in dappling to world bay create which because of the way machine languages work. They're comfortable with an overflow of information. We're not code is comfortable with a whole series of binary choices. We're not and what we've done is we've kind of slept walk into an engagement with the world which is easy for computers to handle which is not so easy for us to handle. And so we need to think about that. I think we need to inject professional ethics into Qodian into social platforms. We take it for granted that veterinarians or doctors or lawyers have some kind professional ethics, but there isn't professional ethics inside coding, really at all as far as I can make out. So we've seeded a whole bunch of humanity without really thinking about it. What was the principle of that kind of professional ethics? Look like, I know that. Nobody can expect you to have a set of Rubik right now. But you have hun of what sort of top three or five principles might be. It's a funny thing. Right. I mean, if you look at science fiction like Asimo thinking about this three quarters of a century ago. You're gonna release about the world of robotics. What should the rules? Be. Right. I think the basic rules should be copying. I mean, we think it's wrong to treat another person as an object. But somehow, it's okay for the computer. That's an object. Right. We have no identity on the internet. There's literally nothing that prevents people. But really been really people the algorithms. They create from performing experiments on us continuously. You know, if you're an iron psychology experiment. There are rules about what we can do to each other. And they're in most. But if you and I are on the internet college experiments are being performed constantly. And they're basically no ruled about it as far as I can make out. So I mean starting from the notion that a person has an identity and the person doesn't lose his personality or is humanity when he says in front of computer, I think that will get good start. And that's not where we start. Did I mean with the internet? We started with a bunch of young, you know, forgive me terribly naive. Libertarians who thought that all these problems with sort themselves out in the end, some of the smarter of them have now realized that that's just not the case. So I wouldn't be qualified to the details. Like just how you change the setup read it or Facebook or whatever, but the people who run those platforms perfectly well what they're doing. And I think it's pretty clear that the way that these problems are set up can be changed. And the reason we know this is the history radio in history the book, and they look at self caused a huge amount of chaos until we figured out how to make a book look like a book. What I think is that we haven't really figured out if I make the internet look like the kind of thing which works well with human minds. In fact, what we've kind of allowed to happen is the worst of collagen. And the worst of the programmers to use the internet in ways, which if we thought about it for just a moment, we really shouldn't have let happen. So there's a lot going down in that direction. Slate listeners we need your help. I'm Charles duhig author of the power of habit, and I'm working on a new show about how to solve the problems of life both big and small, and that's where you come in. For our first couple of shows were looking for someone who's facing a big tough decision. Perhaps you're wondering if you should take a new job or get a divorce or maybe you're trying to decide if you should run for mayor. It could be any kind of conundrum, but we want to hear. We're also looking for someone who's wondering how to be funny. 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I I'm a recovered columnist. Tell us about the same full pas before you launch. The very first thing I did was studied the Soviet economy. The very first paper, I published was about industrial concentration or monopoly in the Soviet Union. My first job was at the institute for international economics in Washington. That's what I did before. I took the turn to the doctorate in history. So I don't think it's a particularly shameful past. I think like many things economics in moderation as good some of my best friend Cy economists less. No, I learned a ton from communists. The reason I started that way is that it's helpful to say that markets are good in certain conditions. And then think about what those conditions are unhelpful to imagine that markets solve everything by themselves. And that there such a thing as a free market, which makes no sense only people can be free markets can't be free markets work. According to the rules that we create and one of the reasons we have Donald Trump, and one of the reasons we have the Russian style oligarchy in general is that we've been very sloppy about the rules of the market in certain places, like for example, in non real estate deals Justice lopping us offshoring with anonymity. That's just sloppiness. I mean, any serious. Economists would think if my economics textbook is going to be true. Those are the kinds of things where the rule of law has to be present. And not absent. But because the rule of law was absent than if you're like Donald Trump could emerge figure like Donald Trump can make contact with Russians and others are also operating this kind of Grey's of capitalism and part of that reason of capitalism inequality is the ability. Of the very rich off shore their wealth. You know, it's just not fair, and it leads to seriously unproductive consequences that the very rich and the US don't have to pay taxes, whereas the middle classes and other people do right. That's obviously going to be perverse. It's going to be. We don't have the revenue that we need. And it's going to mean, the people feel that SIMS unjust. And it's also going to mean that people are going to fall for an argument, which Mr. Trump himself made which is look it's an oligarchy it's unfair. We all know that therefore you need to vote for an oligarchy who talks like you. I mean that was basically Mr. Trump's PECH that's an interesting and the way that you emphasize this because I think this soda of temptation when we talk about economic aspects to try and explain what's going on in via that most people's lives. Must be terrible because they have waiting to vote for something. So extreme it must be motivated by deep-seated rage. And now, I I do think that as a good number of Americans who have pretty bad lives, and there's a lot of the mouth who feel like treading water and becomes angry. About that. But you take seriously augments that in its aggregate shouldn't explain the extent of political range with Nepad, these might be part of his rights, cultural and so forth. That's important. The pot of it as you sayings about Justice. It is seeing a political system, but seems more Morag and feeding politically lead isn't really doing anything about and what's striking is that fo- Americans reason we divided about what to think about capitalism most lighted, but it's certainly a cohort of people who tend to be younger and on the left who disliked capitalism a willing to endorse ideas, socialism, whatever that means in context, but what's striking is that Americans are pretty United in disliking, Clooney capitalism. But Americans have pretty United in feeling that big corporations, for example, exploiting the system in various ways. And so I think when we think about what would be gained from more robust measures against texts from more robust measures against. Daego forms of hiding your money in tax havens. And so on is not just the actually comic differences. It would make it's not just be Bennett's tax people robustly and sustain a decent wealth estate. It is also that feeding Justice at people have being addressed and then therefore trusting the political system automo-. I completely agree with that extremely well. Put the sense of injustice, which is grounded leads people to try to go round system itself like system is unfair. Then you have to be unfair to the system by electing somebody like, Mr. Trump right who you trust to be unfair to the system, and you can get rid of those emotions or at least dampen them by making the system objectively more fair. You also get more revenue which means that you can do things for people with allow them to have greater prospects for social advance, which I think is another deep part of the problem. It's not just that. You think the system is rigging the president? It's that you look out in the future and you're living with your parents. And you have lots of student debt. It's not your life is terrible. It's that you lack. The ability which democracy needs and also which the American dream need, you lack the ability of future, which has prospects which are different and better than the present. I hard to keep democracy going without feeling. And that's another reason why inequality is important. That's a great point. So what do we do about that what kind of economic policies? Do we need to respond to that effect us? You've already mentioned them. We've already talked about them. One of them is to try to close off the great zones just by taking market seriously and trying to make markets fair everywhere, we could do a huge amount if we could get Delaware. You know in the other American states that get rid of the anonymous companies if we could get rid at local level of anonymous real estate purchases, which are just used to launder money, if we could get hold of the dark money problem in general, especially when it comes to funding American candidates, and then, you know, being a little more wishful here. It's a terrible mistake to think that corporations have free speech. Corporations are not people only people can have free speech that supreme court Justice really makes zero sense. And the idea that money is speech is also. Just not the case speech speech money as money. You know, so citizens United makes zero sense, you know, in some distant future, perhaps we'll realize that. But I wanted to say as a matter of principle. So the first thing is that you know, the grey zones. The second thing though, this is going to be off in a complete different place is using the state to make people have more equal prospects, which begins especially with childhood, you know, it's something which can be reconciled very easily with the idea of carrying about families or family values in order to have equality. People have to have equal prospects, especially early in life that matters a huge amount. And we know not just from the US, but we know from all over the world at that something that the state can do, you know, creating a quality of necessarily matter of the state giving you under that one dollars a year. It could be a matter of making sure that we have good schools that we have nutrition little things like that. Which make it much more likely that people can get through high school can go to college at Sarah and look at the world as if the world's prospects for them. That's an interesting to me because I think that's been pushback on pots of last. In velocity is against the idea of my talk receipts. They. National to say, you know, talk receive a Tom was actually invented in the fifties as a kind of caricature of future older, and in Vienne, what we wanted a truly equal society in which has no hierarchy amount of talk is just a way of justifying it. And I think that capture something important, but also misses something very important. What cap just something? That's always been clear liberal tradition. John Stuart mill speaks very movingly about the fact that if some Niro designed one hundred yard dash, which is entirely fair and the winner gets Vaas riches while the puck new comes a NAS is executed. That is not a good thing to do that as a terrible way of setting up the world. So that inside is deep that amount to cladding odor that his boss and equal and that treats the people come in last they badly is indefensible, and that's absolutely clear to me that we also know that societies always. End up with some amount of inequality and hierarchy that's been true. Even in the most hotel Italian societies that supposedly had a goal of instituting equality. Whether it's North Korea today over Soviet Union a few decades ago, and I think when you think about what can justify those inequalities not in some grad abstract, Matt of Justice. But in a way that people in that society connects you recognize live with basic ideas of my talk with Ave that import. Yeah. There was no way out of all this except for pluralism idea that you're going to get rid of inequality is obviously terrified that the idea that every amount of inequality is acceptable. Does not follow the aim is find something in the middle where people can feel as you say that the life around somehow reasonable and the people who are doing while doing something that justifies they're doing well part of the problem in the US currently has people quite correctly. Think that the people who are? Doing well haven't done anything which justifies they're doing. Well, I mean, obviously different take, you know, then that the camps that you're describing I think that equality is important precisely because freedom is important. I don't think the two of them are actually in some kind of fatal tension. I think that's a mistake of American political thought the to trade one for the other whatever I think on the contrary if you care about people being free, which I do then you have to help them create lives where they can actually imagine different possibilities themselves and try to produce those different possibilities, which means you have to build in a certain amount of equality, especially early in light, the kind of people for whom that's possible. That's not going to lead to everybody being equal in the end. But it is going to lead to having a population, which can imagine different kinds of things for itself and different kinds of things for its other. If you push inequality too far than freedom also becomes I mean defacto impossible. So that seems convincing to me last night. I was just mentioned he ended a litany of economic measures the ways in which which people in particular leap route across. Dictatorships county connects you buy citizenship in a lot of liberal democracies is deeply problematic. You can now essentially Tony south into a Canadian British on a math and citizen just spending money, and some of the people who do that of people who we should least wants to be our fellow citizens. I think that's a problem. But I want to draw a little bit on institutional piece what you have in mind that when he's talk for procedural causes institutional causes of the problems we face it a moment. I don't think I've anything to say which ends June American politics couldn't say first of all eight amok Crecy real democracy is one where the central authorities encourage people to vote rather than discouraging them from voting trying to suppress the vote. We have a basic problem where one party tries to went on demography and the other party tries to win on voter suppression. Which means that neither party is talking about policies much, as it should we need a system where it's taken for granted that everybody should vote, and we're taking for granted that the authorities job is to encourage you to vote rub and one where you can compete on voter suppression. And that's. The central thing. I mean after that everything else is a matter of institutional structure, so let me jump in. That's the main point because I actually agree with that. And you know, I'm sure that you about to also mention monitoring whole bunch of other. Bingo, the thing that makes me a little skeptical about a hundred percent abuse scandals that need to be changed. The what's striking to me is that you don't put the science and scientists broadly as being sort of 'institutionalised ton philosopher, a so years, and that means that, you know, for somebody like me who started his PHD in two thousand seven I was told by generation of scholars whom it was obvious that institutions of most important fact of life in that you really need to think through all of these different developments institutions, and such a causes of developments in setups in salt and so forth. What strikes me about the rise of populism is that it's happening in Germany, and Sweden Poland, and Hungary and the United States in India and talk visa to setups of those countries about is diverse as institutional setups democracies? Get and yet is to be seeing reason be some of the outcomes. And so, you know, undoubted it's important deal voter suppression under the United States that to me if you sort of those things you get to electoral systems in which you also see the rise of town populace skeptical that it would make such a big contribution. Again, it may be a necessary official condition, but I'm struck by how little institution seem to explain about the rise of populism unless it is institutional features. But only these countries have in common, and that's not true. We've just talking about. I guess we can't have it both ways, you know. Like, you started the conversation by saying nothing that the u has has a long tradition, and it has its citizens who believe in democracy, and so on I actually take that point. So I tend to think that our problems are hidden from us in the institutions that we assume our democratic, but which are actually built in a much crankier and undemocratic period. Whereas the problem in newer democracies, which have often as you say by design actually have better institutions. They look better the problem. There is often a little bit different. So I'm going to accept a distinction that you made earlier in the conversation and say that I think the basic problem in the US is institutions quietly driving people away from the notion that were a democratic country and teaching people that you win in different ways. But then the second thing I would say is that whether the system is flawed or not flawed. You see the same things. Right. You always see authorities who as you know, very well who break the informal rules and be who take the. Democratic parts of the system and try to make those undemocratic system worked together. So I think it's always a good idea to formalize in for rules. And it's always a bit idea to try to minimize how many undemocratic parts of the system. There are unscrupulous people to try to make work together. I mean, I take your general point though, I agree with you completely. It's not just institutional design. There also has to be a kind of ethic or care about the institutional design in one of the problems with the kind of spellers at that. You're describing is that like it's true on its own terms. But if we just say, okay, we get the institutions right or wrong, and that determines everything then we forget that institutions go back institutional design and Sushil design goes back to ethics and goes back to contingency, right? And so we have to care about the institutions we have to think. Okay. It's the institutions make us, but we also have to try to make the institutions and the case of the US it's hard for me to see us going forward and having a better democracy without a certain amount about spirit. Seems convincing to me before we close I just need to get you assessment of where we're at in the United States. I'm about to be honest on the one hand it's clear that we have no Moniz extreme rhetoric and behavior, I think the attack on independence itunes, especially including intelligence committee below enforcement community has been quite extreme. I think the tend to Donald Trump is supporting dictators of Democrats around the world is terrifying. I also think that the continues to be robust defeat press, but people are not being locked up protesting that Donald Trump has not managed to dominate politics in sense of becoming much popular which has happened in lots of countries in which town puppets to power. Visit good chance of taking back the house in elections. And it seems to me invest juncture at sixty going of your opinion. Polls a good chance Democrats winning the possession elections twenty twenty. So I'm quite tone about how to. Assess this put moment, and when we have responding to to say, well, it's the open, but I'd love to get your point of where we at and how okay quickly tick down a few different points. Because I grew with you the picture is next. And I think the only way to clarify just to try to make some categories so in one category that you mentioned which is the world. So the non American world, clearly this has been a disaster. The fact that Mr. Trump supports foreign dictators and not just simple for us. It has consequences in terms of how ethnic minorities are treated around the world, it has consequences for individual journalists as we've seen very recently, it has consequences for what people in less powerful countries think is acceptable and think they can get away with. So we were in America focused on ourselves, or understandable reasons, but this has been a disaster for the world. The second thing that I would stress would be the American institutions. So a lot of Americans thought the institutions are going to save us. They certainly haven't or at least not in the way that we would expected supreme court is not going to be much of a. Check the legislature from my point of view has not been check at all the congress goes check, Mr. Trump. It would have checked him by saying look, we've had an unusual vent. It seems that a foreign country has an arena in our elections. Let's I figure that out and then pass our tax cuts, but it turns out that tax cuts are more important than whether or not we're a sovereign country. So those checks have not worked the checks that have worked are the ones that were deeply written it the constitution, which are the ones around the first amendment, namely freedom of press, that's works. And then the rule of law, which is the number of the whole constitution. That has also worked to some extent with the more investigation. Other things that third thing that I would stress is that we are shifting institutionally away from democracy that was going on before. Mr. Trump arrived in celebrated sense. The undemocratic parts are working together. You know, the electoral college of court is moving some basic institutions further away from American preferences, and for that matter even American votes, and then the final thing, I mean, the thing that I would stress the most is something you raise the Bill. The conversation is I think Mr. Trump's most important domestic policy has been to spread doubt and to attack the truth. Now, the idea that that journalists or the enemy, but perhaps more importantly, his whole use the term fake news, which is just American English for Lugan plaza. And here I am in Austria and in Germany as well, that's up people understand it. And that's not to Tom which is now getting a lot more currency again. Propelled by the foul. Right. Exactly. I mean, the idea that the journalists are week we're going to call them the liars, we're gonna say they're the line press the device the Nazis used in the thirties. And it's a device Mr. Trump is using now, I think that's his most important domestic policy, and if that part succeeds if we remain so episode polarized. And if we give up on the factuality than all kinds of things are possible, which you know, we wouldn't like to happen. Tim snyder. Thank you so much. We'll come on podcast. It's my pleasure. Thanks. Thank you so much for listening to episode of the good fight listeners have been spreading about the show. If you have been enjoying podcast. Please be like them Rafer show on I tunes. Tell you friend all about it. Shed on Facebook Twitter, and finally, please male suggestions guests comments about the show to think that find at new amount. Thank you for listening to this podcast from new America. This recording carries a creative Commons. Four point -o, international license. 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The Big Guy in the Room

Andrew Hackett's Illimitable Living

39:49 min | 1 year ago

The Big Guy in the Room

"Rich Williams and Michael Jewelry Co. Pendulum and it talks about the way cycle and we are currently that four or five show of the top of the pendulum. Bain halfway through through the waste cycle and a lot of people say well what about the likes of Donald Trump ice find it in. Donald trump is a fabulous example of that counterbalance in a and time period of the spiritual evolution of the world is currently going through which is synonymous with the way Sokoll the collective interest you know people like stone trumping standout if we were at the top of the Mesa Michael he would stand out effectively. Norman we'd all be going along with them the because he's not and he does stand out. I love him because he's an incredible case. Study and welcome to illimitable living. I'm Andrew Hackett and I'm here to talk about living a life free from fees restrictive restrictive boundaries so that you cannot only live a limitless life but so they can become truly illimitable. I'm here in Sunny Australia. Talking with my remarkable covers Patricia Morris as we take you on a journey delving deep into the mysteries of the universe and how we live within it. Join me on a journey towards living a truly limitless life on the illimitable. Living podcast you're listening to illimitable living a podcast show ultimately about the discussions. I believe we need to have so that we can just change episode Steve On life and start living the life. The way we deserve to be here with Patricia Morris the remarkable Patricia Morison KC Patricia. How you doing today? I'm doing wonderful. Thank you and I think you're here with my dog. Is here parking in the background. But I'm doing wonderful. Thank you for asking Andrew a break from tradition a little bit and I'm going to take the reins on a particular the subject something that I really wanted to talk about and what I want to talk about. Is this the way I describe it as is being the Big van in the room and I know that the vast majority of my listeners are in fact female however I just want you to stay with me here for a second and I know I will get to my point and clarify what I mean. Throughout my life I have seen events happen around. The world. Events Happen through my childhood in the school yard. A happens freeway at the workplace for the last twenty five years and really led me me to try and delve deep into understanding the psychology behind things. A lot of what I did in my proficient as a commercial management consultant. A lot of it was about And reading people. And fortunately for me. It's really put me in good stead with what I do now however what I started to realize this is why do people bully other people wanNA kids philly out of school kids. What do people in the office place people and what I started to the lane towards was creating these the label of the big then in the room and I took to my sons about this? 'cause I'm really adamant in when I'm talking with my sons had the trading others that are done. Want them to be a bully. I don't want them to beat putting other people down controlling other people standing over people casino. The people manipulating other people because one I think fun too much heaven happens already ready to. I think it's truly representative for although that is your day choice. How they WANNA represent themselves but I think the big issue though is because it's not something that's necessarily constructive love it is constructive and it? Is the effectively gone. That but the Y.. Describe it to them and I say this to them all the time and usually what triggers may needing to cite his IC- one of my sons teasing the other one picking on the other one standing over the other one dominating the other one is I cited them. Did you know that the big boy the big man in the room is. It doesn't need to do any of that the first few times I explained to them they ought to look at them because to them. You know and this happens in amongst the chemistry that happens the hormones that happens within teenagers particularly teenage boys. Look you'll have to excuse me. It possibly also happens in teenage girls as well. I just don't have any experience details so I'm not. I'm not just trying to say that this is about the boys precise. It's just from in my experience understanding of stuff always in the house of three teenage boys I rise household all three teenage boys as well. So it's it's kind of history repeating itself quite a bit but what I cited them is the big O in the room doesn't do any of that and the reason why is because if if he's truly the Begona Room he's already the big winner Bitcoin. The room doesn't need to put people down does dominate. Anyone does need to taste them. Ridicules them put them down. Doesn't need to believe them. Kois the manipulate them. If he's truly the big guy in the room I will not and and I look up to him. The be going the room. Noisy doesn't do any of that but the beginning the remote size that only needs to do is also love. He needs to do they later. He needs to grow and expand and help people and empower people. Show people the right way to think about things by living into example. The big joined. The room doesn't eight to evangelize. The Big Guy in the room doesn't really even nate to speak loudly in the beginning. The room doesn't necessarily want to be up on stage. He encourages others to get up on stage. A true leader as I've said in the the past is not the one who leads. The true leader is the one who actually creates the mice leaders. And I think this is just this is just a really important could message. That are really wanted to get across because ultimately speaking. I think it's really important because we see so much of it around the place you know. Look I'll I'll use use our good friend. Donald Trump as an example. I've said this before in another podcast broadcast. I'm not a Republican Democrat. I'm not even American Australian I have very little thought about Allen political system and I certainly don't care about the political critical systems of other countries because politics my mind is is the gone completely mad yes a reason why I love Donald Donald Trump and just stay with me for second because I know a whole bunch of readers have just reached this stop sign but there is a good reason why I left on trump because I believe in every single society. We need an example of counterbalance and at the moment Roy Williams and Michael Jordan who pendulum and it talks about the May way cycle and we are currently that four or five years. Shaw aw the top of the pendulum Bain. Halfway through the way Sokoll and a lot of people say well what about the likes of Donald Trump said the way I find it in. Donald trump is is a fabulous example example of that counterbalance in time period of the spiritual evolution of the world is currently going through which is synonymous with the way sokoll these collective interest people like Donald Trump infect standout. If we were at the top of the Mesa cycle he would stand handout effectively. The Norman we'd be going along with it but because he's not and he does standout. I love him because he's an incredible case. Study in fact there is no better study rod at the moment for data. Gone completely and at least arriving bogus Now whether you agree with these ideologies or not I will still love you to respect you and your right to believe and think how you choose. And then we'll never change Wjr when I look Donald and his thoughts and his choices his behavior his You know some people would might lively narcissistic others as sociopathic other. Still might be as a psychopathic. The behavioral traits that he displays ease in my personal opinion directly in contrast with the energy change that is happening throughout the world. Now Donald really walls the big O in the room room. He would nate to oppress migrants. He wouldn't need to talk trash about everybody comes across. He wouldn't need to put the stamp he wouldn't need to promote and a high on getting across clearly. Here you know. We look at other types of leaders around the world and some of them are just as bad in some of them doing a lot better but you know the true later you know because a true leader. He's not interested in self promotion. A true leader is only interested in the promotion of violence in empowering others in putting others first and the reason being is because leadership in it's by definition in my opinion is based on unconditional love. Yes yes can I present a different angle on that as well I love you too. Yeah so Donald Trump for me. I actually like him not in the way now before everybody hits stop not in the way most most people would think. Because let's put it this way. Donald trump triggers me in every way possible. And I have to say I love that because it's actually bringing up within me stuff that needs to be examined further Patricia. Why are you being triggered by this? Why are you building triggered by that? And I'm able to it actually expose those things of myself that are buried very deeply to bring to the surface and examine and say hey. Why are you feeling this way? Is this because of something. That's happened in your past or maybe it's a past life thing or whatever but sometimes just acknowledging what that is releases it and the next time. Donald Trump speaks. It doesn't trigger me anymore so I'm actually grateful for those teaching moments. I don't think he means to do that. I don't think Donald Trump means to teach anybody actually but he's actually a great teacher if we can look at it that way that which you you anybody triggers us really not just donald trump anybody to be honest with you Those are great moments for us to look inward and see. Why are we being triggered? And what is the root of all of this. I completely agree. And I'm glad you put it that way to say that everything that happens in the world Both at an individual level and collective level gives us an opportunity. And it's not an opportunity for exploitation automate money or anything. It's an opportunity for that spiritual growth for that real personal moment to learn and understand and we've seen this threat history. Even the great eight awful events that happened in the world lead. There was the you've called Mesh shooting. Select America you've got recently. There was one in New Zealand. You know good that can come from absolutely everything even the most terrifying must traumatic of examples. You know it wasn't the Hitler we wouldn't understand undestand in a modern world context as many iterations of Hitler that happened throughout the Millennia. I mean it's it's just. It is a modern century understanding of really what atrocities humans truly capable off. And some people say these atrocities cities is still happening throughout Africa on a dining vices. Yet we don't do much of that is you know these moments like Donald Trump actually about trying join to wipe the rest of us up if we see it like that collectively come together and Rally for what we believe is in fact actually ride and you know some people connect these message Donald Trump. You gotTA understand. He was only ever elected with you. Believe with he was correctly. Clean elected or not is another political discussion based on an American. Nothing about Don't even get me started on that look at and I know that untreated very thin line here and I'm I'm not doing it to create outrage. I'm doing just as a as a case study so stay with. Let me these moments happen to enable us to see things that we couldn't normally say we come here to experience physical life and throughout their physical life their coordinate. There's opposites must exist for the experiential process to happen. You cannot experience told without shores when I stand Dan next Michelle. I'm you know she thinks of me as tool but when I stand next to a note tiny robens trust trust me. Linda complete showed us a hold. It no big hairy fatal anyway. That's what I'm saying. These things must exist in their experiential. Context you know. Donald trump forty years ago probably would have been hired as a here MHM because that was in the top of Waco you even if you look at Tony Robbins career. When Tony Robbins started his career forty years ago at the top of the Mesa cycle his teachings his approach was all about the me? Now he's all about the click of way we will grow we All change over time but for us to be able to see the beauty one thing we must see the the non beauty and another thing about the the ugly in in something else young. Yeah absolutely. That's exactly right in the same way I see. Although the time I'm usually women particularly women that have separated from the marriage for whatever reason the then rising caves might be part time maybe full-time depending on the circumstances and they see themselves all the time having to adopt the more masculine in energy to get five and that's because I have to play the role of both the mother and the father when the kids who are in their presence. And I'll use these as a bit of an ideological kind of example because when I come into this space with my very strong and and sometimes overbearing masculine energy. They suddenly allowed. They feel like they've been permission. It's completely subconscious level and it happens at that Seoul by civil they immediately film comfortably embracing their feminine side and allowing that Feminine comes for Subtly during the prisons of that masculinity I give them permission to do so correct. Yeah you know motivation. That'd be really sure. But that's their their higher self giving them that permits. That's exactly what I saw. That shift happening show when I first met her. You know she'd been rising Hassan Assan mostly on her own for many many years before I even met her and she talked about the transmission that happened within her when we met that suddenly only she felt like she could let that masculine side of her car and she could start to fully embrace the true self which is feminine sought an and Love Michelle Feminine. I and Devin inside just I just bathe in it. It's remarkable but I see this allotting clients says well you know sometimes when Nazi peck not talk to them about `bout tastes thank. God How do you know me so well and I'm going well it. It's not so much that I've done a lot of stuff that I talk about. His very intuitively driven. But it's actually quite a common persons that happens and sometimes when we're faced with something like Donald trump it is in fact the catalyst needed these synchronised event the opportunity we have to find out great moment. Whatever that is? Maybe it's a sport him. Maybe it's Torelli against him. Maybe it's not a bad team at all. I've actually about the collective but you know we we've got to understand. He was only elected into power. Because we've become so disheartened in the political establishment with so tired of the blogs with so tired of the rubbish look as it turns out somewhat possibly argue that he's worse than what he was rallying against in his pre election period. However putting that aside we see these across all a lot of we we see it through the Arab spring was seen at across Europe was saying that in the UK as well people are reaching for the extreme extreme because this highly perhaps conservative approach is stifling and it's controlling now again getting back to the big man in the room? If you want to be the big person in the room you see anybody who's really the big person in the room and you will understand what exactly what I mean. They usually the one not standing up the front they usually standing at the back usually the quad there. They listen before they speak. They connect on the present with people are about promoting others and supporting others. They've always got conduit to sign. Never got a nasty would decide. The big man in the room never ever needs to judge someone never ever needs to put someone down to make him so feel bigger or more powerful and we do it all the time. I mean we all do it to one extent or another data and we sometimes without children as well because it's easier to control people through feed than it is to impel for love you know I can't say enough. The man in the room doesn't need to do and I say that to my son's all the time if you want to be the guy love someone someone don't put them down. Yes absolutely. I'm had to laugh. I'm definitely not the quiet person in the room. Fire sign so I'm actually the loud person in there but it's not an obnoxious loud. It's it's more of. I think the quiet person can be just as loud as the loud person but in a different way we kind of of presenting our own way. As long as we're coming at it from the right right energy I think that's the biggest person in the room. Yeah that's right and don't get me wrong. I'm not sure if bin Laden myself you know I'm not not quite dancing on the table layout but but you know again. It's it's it's about it's about where we are you know people pull bullied they dominate. They repressed control they manipulate because what is actually happening. All of that strict by SIA. Yeah and when we're in that unconscious fee driven state the goes completely in control and the guys running the show in in fact doing Lovett. It's just doing it through us. We Ah like the word Baltic host. The Guy Lives within and teenage boys three teenage boys in the house. You know he goes full and strongly Each one of them has to be right if they completely different opinions and H.. One of them has to be smarter and Funnier and stuff and I understand. It's part of that Joscelyn. That happens that you know coming into the warrior energy and so forth fully understand that and respect that and in a lot of aspects I also kind of encourage encourage it as well because it is healthy part of the white boys girl out but I also tried very gently off a different approach a different thought process so to say I really actually donate to put your brother down because I know you love your brother and your brothers. You love him even if you to law oh gates old at the time but we'd get so much further review promoted him and you built him out and you might even feel good about himself and stronger Conga. Isn't that what we're all heat. A really makes us feel so wonderful. But it's makes me feel so good Twi Oy um hum it's actually what gets me my purpose of living and for me anyway. That's my purpose Kherson. Living is is to do that so yes that resonates greatly and H. Everybody can experience in their life. How they choose? Everybody can choose have represent themselves whether it's done consciously or unconsciously doesn't matter the consequences to exist but ultimately speaking you know here in my opinion to connect we are here to empower. We are here to be in service to others is just during service toward listen slightly different ways. Some of those ways considered to a good thing. Some of those. Why is it considered to be bad things But ultimately Lee speaking. We're all in service. Provided that the person who's experiencing that service carrying fantasy the opportunity that's presented before him in the same anyway to May twenty odd years to say the opportunity put in front of me by my abuser. took me that long to see the could and remarkable things that come from that. I just wouldn't be talking to today if that hadn't happened in the same way everybody divisional speaker that has been abused right manipulated in domestic violence situations whether they've lost limb. Bainian major accidents. Become paraplegic doesn't matter. auditees being traumatized and lift their loved. One these things happen for Roy Variety. Different reasons I believe they will will happen for a reason. And that reason is for us to fund the opportunity for personal spiritual life now if we are the big going the room those opportunities happen naturally if we tried to be the begun the room. What's happening in a fee driven? Cyber quenches egos in in control in trying to the room. We often try to do that. By putting others down by stepping over others or stepping on others to get somewhere else and that is a really big issue because the energy of that is very very different and remember. The Universe is in fact a mirror. I only reflects back to what we're putting out and I go further explained to the boys that you know if you are the big on the room and you'll loving people and you're promoting people and you're helping people in your in service to the humanity vanity. The universe will then being service and the longest shortest. Is that if you are trying to be the big guy by putting another down and controlling other Blaine others and teasing others. The Universe is going to reflect that back to you in just the simple act of trying the base something is a signal to the universe that you were not effect that thing. Yeah trying is forcing something to happen and when you're trying to force something thing to happen you're actually going against just letting things flow naturally the way they're supposed to happen. I'm a firm believer in that it it. You never get anywhere when you try to force something to happen. That's right that's right and even if you look at the basic constructs is beyond the law of attraction for instance the whole aspect that by wanting something universe. That's fine that's the experience you WanNa have and it gives you opportunities that leaves you wanting whereas if you're being something universe goes great. That's what you'll bain. I'll give you genitals futile experience. That Bain and you know it's no different to that big on Gra. See these all the time in relationships mile and about relationships predominantly but even in the same couple of relationships same sex relationship. Sorry people live in people that live in fear. Driven state are often worried about the often often full to issues associated with jealousy. They feel like the pardon is going to leave and I just by themselves painting dependent we leads them to control hole and dominate. Sometimes bully coors manipulate lie to you know all these other sorts of things happen in these type relationships domestic violence. Let's you know if there's a domestic violence situation. Domestic violence is not only created by the but it also perpetrates fear in itself and the fee that they is given to who it is often. Mike I was was now. I've seen many domestic violence situations in people in the why they've had tweet trying to get them to turn that around from fee driven to love driven. He's actually very easy. Because it's such an extraordinarily intoxicating the Mushin' however waiver ease. The response that I believe is necessary. You know the big guy in the room. If if he's truly big on the room he wouldn't be needing to control and manipulate title dominate. You know it takes to normal. Man Encourage an enormous amount of bravery to love someone so unconditionally that it doesn't matter what they do. We with whom or whatever they used to love them and then you didn't have that desire to try to ah for something to try. Correct just aren't at that point. That's exactly right. That's exactly right and the benefit of that are then is it signals in wants to the universe as well that you know everything's okay. Universe doesn't put problems in your place when you're in that space because the signal was so clear and defined and an absolute You know we've had a really shoe in Australia lightly. We've got this particular broadcaster on national radio who uses a lot of what I refer to as heights hate speech and specifically promotes in his own unique way of violence against women. And it's. It's really exploded in Australia listening. Because everybody's just really have enough and although I never listened to his show of never appreciated anything. He's had decided not to autozone the even surprised that anybody listens to a lot of people do. Unfortunately and what's happened is people in boycotting the advertisers that advertising tossing his radio show and all of these was actually triggered. Although he's done at twenty talk again it was triggered some comments he made about the New Zealand prime minister an effectively signed that our prime minister should give her a couple of backhanders and also should shut down. Its showed up I know is pulling. It's it's unbelievable pulling even just the sight hearing myself side I just makes me cringe Yeah it just brings on that awful energy. I know what you're saying. Yeah that's right now. If that broadcaster was truly the big band in the room that he thinks he is that he genuinely thinks he's he wouldn't even signing that he would he would never need her in the same. Wii I politician thinks that they're the be- that never NATO and the you know the interesting thing is that particular politician just interest denson which is a New Zealand prime. She's being in the worldwide price recently for her incredibly compassionate and beautiful approach to the New Zealand Mexico. There was populated perpetrated against a full mosque in Zeeland. Not Too long ago okay. Response was so compassionate everything that even her response to these radio broadcasts that was inciting violence against her she just say look. I'm not going to give is at the energy that he wants me to give it because it doesn't deserve it and she's just lifted that good for her good for her going gone. Yeah and I couldn't help but think too when you were talking about this this man. I'm not familiar with who he is. He's probably more. I I think. An anonymous side then He. He's side but I couldn't help but thinking because of him look at the awareness listed as being drawn to that issue arising and they're they've had enough and it's I think I don't like his speech or the hate violence towards women. I don't like that at all but I do like that. People are standing up and saying enough is enough. We are not going to tolerate this anymore. And it's actually going to be more effective because of Evatt so I think sometimes the universe does put specific people in power so that we can destroy those systems in which those people are coming from. Does that make sense absolutely complete saints. And it's exactly. I'm so glad you heard that too. That's exactly the point. I was trying to make and it was the also the point. I that's my keenum Augusta. Donald Trump as well you know if someone attacks trump what happens he retaliates back. He fights back he claws and gets really nasty eighteen dirty to me if he was really the big guy in the room. If he was really the president of the world stage he wouldn't do any of that at all he just I would just done. She's the Ba- go in the room so to speak be woman in the room because she doesn't need to do that she doesn't need to engage in that. Demonizing Bob Barrick violent kind of bullying approach. You know it's just to me. It is such a beautiful example of exactly the point. I'm trying to make you know again. You know we listen to all these examples throughout modern history and also ancient history. You know people in the most daughters to circumstances not fighting out against regresses and what what it is. It's about the message that had saints not necessarily about the result that ends up. You know we were all so afraid of this one thing who dine when in fact you know all die. Knees is the release from physical world. Toll Meant to how beautiful place where he originated from irrespective irrespective of what. Your belief system is being if these particular radio broadcasts really walls the big man in the room if he really was is what he says he is he would never ever need to engage in that sort of discussion. It just it crosses mind and in fact what has happened. Today's the New Zealand. Prime Minister has in fact actually shown that she is stronger. More remarkable human bain. Yeah then the man that was reaching out trying to attack her and calling her pathetic and a moron and all this other stuff. Yeah I love it because it does does. Her actions speak louder in my opinion because they actually are bringing about more change because of her reaction and I think also also his as well in a different way because it's bringing all of the awareness of all these old systems that need to crumble in order for those to crumble. They have to be brought brought to the surface and I see those in the forms of Donald Trump in the forms of this man. These old stipends that are not working anymore have become to the surface in order for us as a human human collective to band together and say we are not going to be a part of that anymore. I agree and I see. This is the absolute turning point. This was mentioned a number of times range podcasts. And videos and events the energy around the world is changing. There is a change happening as we speak. I believe we're saying the full of another empire. I believe I'm not to show whether the new empire and everything that is going to be any better anytime we'll tell but what I believe is in fact actually happening. We're having a major shift away from the patriarchal dominant bullying masculine controlling society back to a nurturing divine feminine. The divine matriarchal type of society. That once was in far-reaching times and I believe all of these examples and I think we we need to embrace the moments that that is presented to us like this broadcast like the Donald Trump's in the world we need to embrace them and celebrate them because for exactly as you said they are the government which gets us to see that dichotomy rally against it in the hypoth- moving humanity forward into a much better time and place. Yep Yup exactly I love it. So that's why I wanted to talk to you today. Patricia and wonderful view is out there about these liable. This idea that I have about the big on you know. I think we need to have this discussion thing. We think we really need to get this word out because you know when someone is dominating someone decided to them you know. What if you were really the big on the rim? You would need to do that. Because the begun room would be compassionate. To be going the room would be understanding. The Biko in the room would be choosing love over fear every single time and I think that's really important message that are really want to get out to the world. Because I think it's time I think at the time I think the world is ready for these sort of stuff. It's the reason why I kicked off my podcast. Show with you Patricia. To try trying get this type of whole range of different messages out there. Because I think the willed he's ready to listen to it. I think the world really needs to listen to it as well and thai-cambodian their online or just it in their own space and time and then utilize closet and promotions in their lives through their own experiences. Yes yes exactly. The I believe you're correct. World is definitely ready to hear this. Now I don't think it may be ten years ago we were And if you think even the space we were in ten years ago yes we had the Internet. We had other things but we weren't As advanced as we are now. I don't even think we could have done this. PODCAST ten years ago so I really see the beauty and how everything has unrolled within the last several really years and how society shifting Hell Technology is shifting. And it's all putting us in the perfect space to share. These messages agree the absolutely. It's anyway the timing's always perfect Even though we look and can be impatient sometimes particularly in wanting to reach more people people faster so that you know more lives can change for the better. But I've also got to understanding embrace this infinite patience idea that you know timing is absolutely livy perfect and who knows where all of this is going to go for all of us. One thing I do now is I do genuinely believes that we all have it within our own hearts at an individual level and collective level to move humanity forward. Now we talk about these apocalyptic scenarios stuff. I I believe that the Truer Polka Dick Scenario that is right on Addo is indifference and I believe that we need to rise up together hand in hand and and walk the streets if we have to to make the message really loud and clear that the old dominating bullying patriarchal rubbish. He's no longer actually going to be accepted anymore than effect will deserves so much better. Yes and it takes many create just people to stand up and do that. And that's what we're hoping to inspire by this podcast absolutely. That's exactly why this isn't about you. And all this is about everybody and and everybody finding the truth and finding their powder to it. They wanted to thank you so much for joining me today and Patricia. Thank you everybody for joining us. If you ever want to reach out to me you can always do. So you can either email to Andrew Hackett so Andrew Andrew Hackett Condo. You connect waiting on facebook instagram. I'd love to get your messages. Love to e thoughts thoughts and theories about things. And if you've got any great and wonderful ideas that you'd like to share that you'd like to really get some energy but on and so forth and chanted with being and if they lawn with the message that I'm trying to get out of there I'm happy to add wind energy to them as well. Thank you again. It's been a fabulous Patricia. Hope you have a really wonderful week ahead. Yes thank you. Andrew and I really do hope that our listeners have a wonderful week ahead of you a few of us and everybody thinks it's late here and it's been a crazy week so I think my brain is starting to go to bed already. Took all right thank you. Everybody have a great week. Much love to you will thank you good bye everybody. Thank you for listening to illimitable living today if you want to find more about living a truly limitless life than go to Andrew Hacker Dot COM dot. Are you if you wanNA connect with me. Search for Andrew Hacker Australia on facebook enlighten my page or search for Andrew S Hackett on Instagram and follow me for daily. Inspirations I look forward to connecting with you so that we can start on your own journey towards illimitable living

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Episode 6: The Fallout

Maculate Conception

27:44 min | 2 years ago

Episode 6: The Fallout

"I'm calling. But I don't have good news on my God. Okay. Right. It's pretty grumpy less than was which means that it's negative. Stop everything, and I'm gonna have to want to follow up with the okay? Okay. Honey. You welcome, sweetie. Okay. Bye-bye? To me. There's a thin line between positive thinking in denial and I feel like I like to talk about the denial and what I'm offensively feeling. And sometimes I think is it prefers to optimistically impassively be sure that something greats gonna work out. Not good news. Oh, Honey, the nurse called you. I'm I'm so sorry. Let me to Dr buck call and I don't know what else to say. Did they say did they say anything else? Okay. If it's I'm fully prepared to go. Again, if you're up for it. Come home right now. No, it's okay. You've been unbelievable. I don't understand you know, I mean. Visit then there's nothing else. I can do. There's like everything every possible we could do. Other than it was using every os from the last round. I'm just saying I mean, if take take take the tiny want. But if didn't take on this one, and you don't have any cysts, and we can just go again. I think we should just go again. And that could be as soon as two weeks when it's Christmas, and we're here, maybe it's not going to be in two weeks. It'd be minimum three right? Like, I don't even know if it's possible to go that fast to be honest. They would probably put me on the pill again for ten days. No. I love from heartbroken. I'm so sorry. I think one of the hardest things about this journey is. What happens when there's no real good reason to be optimistic any moment when? You know, you're just sitting in the shit of it when you're told you're probably not going to have kids. Do their who promise. Four to five of. Isaac. I started trying to have babies two years a little before two years into our marriage. We decided to start trying for a family on a trip to Italy. I remember when it was like time does be like, okay. We're gonna pull the goalie trying first of all I was certain on the way back that we were pregnant second of all I was totally terrified that. That was happened. I know that you will both be happy. At Jewish life. Yourself for your family. Children. Family where you know, having children is a priority. And is the first priority. I certainly in my life's path didn't make it my first priority. I remember also when my brother when Jordan and Rachel told Abby in me that they were pregnant we had recently started trying. It was definitely something that both said that my anger brother was going to get their first. That was a sad thing. We wanted to bring the first grandchild. And then they got a second one stakes raise because Kylie I have a baby and we met one another one. And now we've got. Options. I feel very very close to my brother. He and I even though yes, we live across the world from each other. I talk with him more than most people in pretty regularly usually more than once a day. There was just something about the fertility. Maybe it's because my younger brother who got married before. I being me he and his wife would look at each other and get pregnant my brother and sister in law and their kids live abroad. I'm not gonna mention what country because I don't want to be to Jewish this podcast live abroad. And. Never. And this year for this triple they came to cog on Pittsburgh to see the rest of our family Ambien. I asked him to come here. So we've really been going through a hard time with the miscarriage Debbie had last summer this summer the summer the summer recently, and well, there's another one last summer. So I just wanna be clear. It's just been difficult in we really felt like we wanted to be seen and heard and supported by our siblings, they came and I still don't think that even those special time with memories that we got the support that we were initially hoping for but. It's not that simple. It's not that simple. Because they came. It just I think that. Romanticized what support looks like from? Armenia family and just because I see what I'd like it to look like in my mind doesn't mean that's what we get actually think. This is something that I realized how their elements of our heritage in our religion in this podcast, you know, and talking about being Jewish, and we talk about Rochon nine Mikva and some of these things, well, we're not that religious people necessarily. But there is something I think to the fact that Abby, and I are both Jewish at least speak for me that having a biological child is an important thing to me if we're going to do it. We are both not directly Abby more. So than me descendants of of families who survived the holocaust and survived other Pegram's and tribulations along the way in that. We're both part of a very very small group of people that probably has no reason. Like being alive on the planet anymore because for me what what we celebrated when we got married was like survival and the passing down potentially of our heritage. And if that line is going to end with me. I that would really that would really shake me up for me. I lead with reproducing. Yeah. I think that for a you. It's more cerebral in that way. And for me, it's much more. I want to be a mother the first time I got pregnant we ended up miscarrying, but it was like from the minute. I got pregnant it was concerning. The numbers weren't great, blah, blah, blah. And I just remember somebody saying it was my stepfather said so were you worried, and I said, yeah. And he was like welcome to parenthood. Once you head down this road. I couldn't stop. I always had a gut feeling that it was going to work, and I hate saying that, but it's true. And I knew there became a point where I stopped feeling that gut feeling it was time to stop for Tila treatment. Because I I had not possibly explain like I went for the failed transfers the miscarriage eight weeks that you're making normal embryos unexplained infertility feels like a disease, it feels like something you wake up with and go to sleep with everyday that needs medical attention. Sometimes sometimes it doesn't like it has flare ups are not flare ups, but in your heart, you're dealing with it every minute of every day when we started infertility treatment, we really weren't talking about it with hardly anyone because we assumed it would work really quickly and we'd gets give the surprise of pregnant. So what we hoping that we'd have to viable. It's a miracle all three of the tested once tested normal like you're so lucky and you've two girls in a boy. So now, you have three boys and two girls on ice, plus two one tested, and you can have the biggest family. Why? Want? No problem. The fucking Brady bunch. I don't think we we definitely didn't tell people, and we started trying for the first year or two I mean without science, but that was really hard. We had let people in. I remember the first person is hold was my mom, not a surprise. She wanted to take a trip to I think Costa Rica, my mom's a real planner, so are maybe Africa. I don't know if somewhere crazy and probably awesome. And she wanted to plan it for like, fourteen months away or something. And I just remember like we had been trying over a year at that point. I think we'd met with a doctor but hadn't moved forward with fertility treatment had I had to tell her. We really can't make any plans because we're doing infertility treatment. And I I mean, I broke down within like two seconds. Then we told your parents anything letting we're close with our parents letting them in. Felt really good to me. Yeah. And then it got easier, and then oddly, there became a point where it became bad again when we had finally told everyone, and then people didn't talk to us about it. You know, it's like you can't win. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsors. Do you know that brushing your teeth isn't just great for your teeth? But for our Everyday Health. Okay. So the truth is there was an advertisement that came across my social media with a rose gold toothbrush. And I was like damn these people have my number, and they know that I love rose gold. So I immediately clicked it, and you know, what it was quip toothbrushes. I bought it right away that was a while ago. And I've been a loyal fan ever since she got me to get one. I love it. Because what I love about it are the sensitive sonic vibrations. So it isn't electric toothbrush. But it's gentle on my sensitive gums. 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But can you really afford another restless night's sleep? There. News beds are so smart. They actually censor every move automatically adjust. So you stay sleeping comfortably throughout the night. Best of all Queen mattress started only nine hundred ninety nine dollars sleep number is the official sleep in wellness partner of the NFL you'll only find sleepnumber at one of their five hundred fifty. Sleep number stores nationwide. Visit sleepnumber dot com slash AMC. Find the one nearest to you. I don't remember. When the last time we rolled it's been at least a week. Did we talk about? Yeah. The eggs. Yeah. Okay. I remember now. I just feel like we've been having a lot of thoughts and feelings and not talking about them publicly. I do feel like competition is a less obvious emotion. That's been brought out by this like to find out someone's on their third kid before I've had my one makes me crazy inside. And I'm like, and they're seven years older or younger, or whatever, you know, whatever it is. I'm a competitive persons. That's hard for me on the plus side. And Isaac says this to me about me all the time. And I love you at appreciate you for it. But still sometimes forget like, I think resilience. Is not something one strives for in life. I don't think it's something you think about. Being doing are behaving. And I think sometimes you don't know whether you're zillion person until you're under circumstances. And because Isaac you've told me so many times how resilient I am. I do think you're right. And I think that is something I learned about myself that I did not know knowing that. I would do I can't believe you do this every day. I've. I'm talking us out of doing this. It's not you're not gonna talk yourself out. There were moments for me. There are moments for me. We're just being the two of us. Sounds great. But they're few and far between not because it doesn't sound great as a life. But because after everything we've gone through and go through. I'm scared to live in a constant state of disappointment. And. Sadness that we didn't get what we wanted. They're always for me a reason to keep going, and I had thought about it's funny. I'd thought about adoption and surrogacy. I'd never thought about egg donor because at the time we didn't think that we needed to and you and I had different thoughts and feelings on all of those things. I did stick to the well, you know, we'd love to have children together. But I think that if we aren't able to we're gonna have a very. Good for filling happy life. So I was that's still remained my mantra. I am still. Maybe this is why we're not there yet. I'm still okay. If it's just you Mia. I am. I'm still. Okay. Jimmy. I hate saying allegation. But I do think a lot of women, especially only feel validated. If they have a child because that's what their body was like given to them to do for me. It's just more about being a mother. But I've thought about like while I'm lucky to have nieces will I feel like my relationship with them is enough. And it never feels like it will be I think. While I'm not at the adoption phase yet at doesn't mean, I would never consider adoption. And I do think if we adopted I would be a kick ass mother to that adopted kid. I don't think it'd be any different. But I'm not there yet. And and for me, it's about just being a mother. So I feel like I take whatever I'm giving. I'm like, what's the next thing? I need to do to be a mother, you know, and I want to I do think that the fertility journey has been driven by by you, Abby, and you wanna be a mother, and for me, this is what I signed up to support and in do with you when we got married, and I feel that you are so supportive of me and everything I want to do and do so much to help me get where I wanna go. If this is the thing that you need this is what our marriage needs. So it's funny. I think that men who say thank you. That's so kind and supportive, and I believe you. But I think men who don't have children. That's what they say until they have children, and they realize that they were met for other. And like if one person on earth is meant the dad, it's my husband, Mike. I would I feel like part of the reason I soldier for both of us. 'cause he doesn't know that yet. And I know that. To get your shit together. I never loved anybody more than all of you, especially you are we on. Well, I played back. I played back our conversation from the foreign also your call with our doctor conversation, go could you hear it totally? I from when I was like, Dave. It's not good news. I just want. This sounds smug. I think there were. I'm is really proud of the marriage that we have thanks. Why? I mean what? I just I I heard you tell me, and I heard my talking to you. And I just know that we really love each other. After I got off the phone with our Dr today, I was like I'm just going to turn the TV on and watch stupid. The first thing that was on Grey's anatomy. I swear to God. It was a scene with two women who are married in the show about to flip a coin to see which of them would carry their baby. Whoa. So then I change channel. And it was the Kardashians. And it was the episode where Kim is potentially having an issue with her surrogate after her embryo did not implant. And then I changed it again. And I don't even remember what the third thing was. But it was. Something where the first line was like, of course. So and so had to have in vitro, no man would touch her with a ten foot pole. And it's like I never want to be that person. It's like so sensitive, but that is insane. Those are three in a row. So like if if this doesn't work this one this time. I need to like go on some like soul quest, you know. Of like, it might to be able. Sweetie. Who I feel like to to be about? But like. What is what is? Me right now, the universe is not. Telling you about it's. If it's not the universe. I mean. The benefits ical. I don't know. Know why? Yeah. Ready? Yes. Those. Sokoll kind of fine. Tune in those off. So this summer fest right now, we're just fall. Search on the professional. Off cycle that we time travelers. We have four to from the first time we retrieve not with you guys to from this time. Talks Dr Wambach which to where using. Well to are tested to are not. So she wants to do to all the tested or for VERA, one from each clear, we got a whole cocktail mix of things. So she was saying that we she wants to do one non-tested from from this most recent round in October, which I don't remember what the quality was. Right. And then take a b c. The last tested one from our old Dr. But there is I'm just a little I guess confused concern just wanna talk about why we wouldn't use the most recent tested one because that one she sort of kind of talked was like our best case scenario. So I don't know if we're saving that. Because you know, she wants to talk about surrogacy, and we want to save a better one for surrogacy. But then why are we even putting the other ones in? You know what I mean? So we have to test tested in rural. Rating ones. The other one is also wants. So when it comes to prior to the days of testing. Without knowing the normal. You know, the grading without testing. Okay. So knowing who's also which was normal. Just go by the grading picking AB, regardless. Okay. So the only difference between the two is. That's the first already been thought once. So she was saying what if the problem is that we're the twice because that's what we just put in. It didn't take blah, blah, blah. So that's why the kind of choice between taking the one that's twice. I. We'll be right. We know that every stores. Every almost every combination of embryos has not worth. So then I'm like, well, why would we put in one that's has been thought twice when we have one that hasn't. But you're saying it doesn't really matter. The risk is probably very. The oldest. When our our freezing process was slow freeze. Kind of what we are freezer through slow process. Right. So, you know, the analogies of oldest foes embryos. The slow freeze way. So rivals about seventy five percent. So you might fall four. Okay. These days Ritchie vacation, which is the way you're the first. Now the very rapid flash. The survivals over ninety percent. The most recent kind of QA there's nine five percent. So the reality is that the risk of the fall in the freezing of these days. Yes. Yeah. That's low old for oath process your embryos. Survival on it should be. So you are do you think that choice is pretty good? I think that's. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. We will know only because the tested ones are all boys. So the only way we'll know as if we get a girl. But but seeing as he seems to only make boys. I don't know. I don't know that we'll ever now. So. Right. Twenty to thirty percent, right. Which would be so weird. Because really they're not the same age. Even once a year older is not weird. Yeah. But we'll be. Thank you. I'll take what I can get. Yeah. I know I now, of course, of course. Have you ever really one way or another? Whole schedule four thing. I'm like your back today. She's like single white female. Thank you, Dr on. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So the feel okay about going totally Teo. All right. So that's the plan.

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From Investment Banker to CRO: Lessons about Career Pivots and Managing Pipelines

OC Talk Radio

23:47 min | 1 year ago

From Investment Banker to CRO: Lessons about Career Pivots and Managing Pipelines

"K. Simulations or a brand new digital teaching tool designed for today's digitally native college students students control their own businesses and learn key business and marketing concepts in their college classes learn more today and W._W._w.. Dot Knowledge Matters Dot com slash podcast <music> welcome back time for another episode with Sale Fine Radio grabby board. We're going to swim out at Sea of ideas with the master surfer. Mr Matt Hines are welcome. Everyone to another episode of sales pipeline radio really excited to have everyone joining us today. If you're listening to this live on the funnel media radio network thanks for joining us as always during your busy work day. If you're joining us through the podcast podcast thanks again for joining us you can find on where all podcasts found stitcher you can find us on the store on Google play in a variety different places and every episode of Sales Pipeline Radio Pass President and future is always available and sales pipeline radio DOT COM each week we are featuring brightest minds in sales and marketing. It's absolutely no different very excited to have with us. Jerry Brunner Chief Revenue Officer for SCOUT OUR VISA Jerry. Thanks for joining us today. Hey thank you for having me very decided added to join <unk> pipeline radio and appreciate the opportunity to speak with you so I have. I have many many questions when I think I have to start with the question that all of America's was the answer to how exactly does a guy who studied economics started his career as an investment banker at Smith Barney. Take the next move as basically telephone salesperson and move into a career and sales. That's a great question I remember when I took that job when I made that transition my parents and my girlfriend than fiance then-wife at the time all thought I was I was crazy in lock my marble united coming out of business go ahead all this debt and they said wait. You'RE GONNA go into telesales for a software company. You're an investment banker. You can be venture. Capitalists in a heartbeat had a bunch offers. Why don't you go do that? I was so it took me a couple minutes around my head around and explain everyone but at the end of the day when when I was coming out of school what I did was I read up and followed followed all the leaders that I imagined and really impressed me that I wanted to be like and I read some great books and autobiography took about five of them and what I noticed about all of them all the really great leaders that I that I admired heard all had different skill sets and they had accumulated skillset through working within different departments within a business so I set out to do that very specifically in I build the plan where I every year to build a new skill. He also with the idea after fifteen years. It'd be able to run my own business. You we'll see if we working out you have risen through the ranks companies including Siebel where you started your sales career through called- software S._A._P.. dropbox and now a scout and you really have followed that plan because you know you have you been running are responsible for areas of more diverse cinema areas of sales marketing then you see in most resumes right. You've been a card Acosta carrying sales rep. You've run sales operations since you've been a director of marketing and all the way up to so now owning bull sales and marketing what I mean that's a fairly unique and for I think for many people very attractive set of sort of functional areas. I'm on why isn't important. Do you living now looking in retrospect hand direct experience in each of those functional areas across will sales marketing. I think it's Uber important for any executive in especially if you WANNA be very <hes> functioning executive that can work across multiple disciplines. It's very easy to be in the sales physician. If you want to be a sales leader in the RISA from inside sales mid market sales to feel tales then to become sales manager and sales leader imagine great. I know a lot of a lot of people we'll do that and they're in their exceptional leaders for me. If you really WanNa make an impact on a business able to transform that business you have to build a work across multiple disciplines and just because you're in sailed if you're leading eating the sales department the best way to lead that's health department. Is You know how to leverage marketing or if you know how to really utilize sales operations to get the best where your team or award with solution engineering or marketing in engineering as also I thought was super important. I've received it makes it a whole lot easier now when I walk over to marketing and I said gay when I was there for year I wasn't very good at marking or your but I did. I knew how to operate it okay. This is what I'm looking for. This is what I think we can do. How do we work together? Get the best sokoll remorse about that sales and marketing relationship. I think you know what many companies it can be described. Someone is adversary. You've got you organizations. Hopefully hopefully are working with the best of intentions but there are different animals and I think they oftentimes people will look at chief revenue officer who has comes from mostly a sales background say well. This is just beat. The promotion marketing is not going to have any broader authority or have it sort of how okay good voice in the in the conversation talk about a little more about how you scout have sort of combined sales marketing specifically from a culture standpoint. What are some things that you've done to help the team work as one cohesive unit? The Angel failed on our gang. Thing I I generated a lead <unk> Hilton close it or marketing didn't generate enough elite for media close entails. It's so playing fair that was why was very important for us to make sure it was one team. Won Vase of the buck stops with me when it comes into that so there's no to complain to the point fingers at the first thing is to make sure we all spoke a common language by that I mean what do we qualify elite right. How do we qualify? Where did we source it? When is it an actual golf? I lied when we close a deal in revenue. Where did that come from? How do I trace back once I get agreement on that with all people that makes it very easy for us to work as one team and then it's really interesting? When you start putting in sentence sentence in place I believe compensation <unk> behavior in every department when you start aligning people's goals in their commissions both in marketing sales and percentage of a two qualified leads close leads source revenue many of the east side so they have common goals? It's amazing how suddenly people start working really closely together and I think you money where your mouth is. It makes a big difference. Talk a little bit about as well you know there's compensation and then there's a what people's metrics are within a lot of organization tation sales and marketing they struggle with the issue of credit and attribution is not solved by the compensation answer or how to use the make sure that luck in a complex environment with what you guys are selling specifically. You know it is it is not a one call close. It is many steps such as across the marketing. How do you saw or at least address the issue of credit and attribution there's there's no panacea for for salt and I've looked at some of the people that have been on sales pipeline Radio Madden and they've got some luminaries on their very experienced people that have had huge success i? I don't think they have a right answer for this. One so there's there's ways you can not make the most primary objective for both departments in the way we do it. Is we put their customer at the center of our universe our number one values obsessed over our customer so customer success is everyone's responsibility so we put that at the center Invanko gay at a we engage with the customer. How do we bring a customer long? How do we serve as a customer after and how do we eat that cycle and may fat the number one priority in the number one commissioned the number one objective whether it's okay our commissioner combination than suddenly Attribu- and complete sorting while those are important for where we should put our time and resources they don't become the arguing point the arguing point or the discussion point for us because had we better serve our customers? How do we reach out to more customers? How do we better AH talking today? On sales pipeline radio with Jerry Brunner chief revenue officer at scout are seen talking a little bit about sales and marketing working together everything from objectives to function to culture people sometimes bring preconceived notions from pass jobs to the table. There's operational their strategic alignment right of you know we all agree. We have the same objective within there's operational in terms of knowing what we need to do on Tuesday morning yet. How important is it take that hey we all believe in the same thing we're working with the best intentions and really get specific and tactical were saying that it yet on my team or you know details matter a bunch of little things equal big thing then the day so I have I believe in jumping into the details even as cheap revenue officer I still jump into detail in terms of down to the very metric how many customers we reached out to how many we followed up? What's our time to get to them? What come back you have to be very specific? When when you're an executive I believe you have to set the vision in the top level both but then you also have to work with your leaders in your managers in Your Business Unit directors? What are the key metrics in the key by other? We're going to focus on a daily weekly Lian monthly basis to achieve those top Lang goals a major we agree on all those it has to be simple has be easy to follow has to be achievable. Anthony Super cleared everyone in the organization what they're focusing on how they achieve their job and sometimes that leads leads to metrics that are not what companies are used to seeing from our Reizo were saying if marketing has historically been focused generating leads than a lot of companies say well. We WanNa see the most leads possible for marketing that may be counterproductive. Maybe more important the marketing to actually generate fewer leads better leads and so you and your organization if you own sales marketing you can say you can tell people okay. This is what we're focused on you. Then after report to your boss the CEO Inborn right that may have traditional additional preconceived notions of into the right charts Moore's better for marketing so there's the culture change within your team and then there's the culture change to your peers to your to your manager into your board. How'd you manage through that? That's a that's never easy eh as well when when you're sitting things and I can imagine transformation of the venue organization by Scall- We are fortunate we some three hundred percent year over year that is great and that buy you a little leeway. Don't get me wrong. You know when I started. We still had to walk through A in. We had to walk through from the very beginning very beginning was here's our plan and here's how we're going to be successful and here's what we're going to measure your lie in yet to deliver that at every level at the board. Here's the highest level metrics in objective we have to the C._E._o.. And executive team everybody. Here's what we're going to achieve in. Here's our plan and then all the way down to the individual contributor that changes the way you think of things when you have a plan a metric Anna why don't get me wrong. There's a little skepticism in there a little. Are you sure you're doing the right thing. Are you sure you're changing focusing on the right areas but when you delivered great customer stories that we have and see how successful our customers are that makes a lever that most people who we're talking to Nancy Carney again with Jerry Brunner he's. Avenue Officer S Scott are happy. We're going to take a quick break in pay some bills right back. We'll talk more about sales and marketing. We're GONNA talk a little bit about the complexity and the historical pain inherent in the European sourcing opportunities and we're also going to be talking about how to balance growing your career as well as giving back all coming up on radio how to my peers make buying decisions. It's a question on the mind wind nearly every beat Abi Marketing leader yet also one without the clearest of answers what's their involvement like throughout the purchasing process what drives their ability to make better decisions and where do you stand compared to them. Read the new research report from PATH FACTORY IN HEINZ marketing to get inside the head of marketing leader in the buyer's journey and find out visit hines marketing dot coms resource section. That's H.. E. N. Z. Marketing Dot Com and the resource tab three your free copy today and now back to Matt and his guests welcome back to sales `fine radio my guess today's Jerry Brunner that she romanoff Scout R. P. and Jerry in addition to your your resume where you have you done a number of had a number of sales and marketing roles across many organizations in your eye Sioux chief officer all you also clearly prioritize giving back to the community you are on the board of Directors or the directors were several organizations couldn't the boys and Girls Club in San Francisco and the mission Dolores Academy ways that been an important part of just where you spend your time because I think it's one thing to say well. These are things that are important to me like everyone's got things that are important to them evangelize or maybe they give money to. It's a whole thing for a busy person like yourself to spend time on this talk about why that's been so yeah definitely and I'll share with you. I because it's the most important personally but also share share with you matt professionally why I thought it was important personally grew up in my fame legroom to very small town had four hundred fifty people in en- dirt roads. I didn't have cable on senior high school so that when that small community you become a part of that communion. Being a part of the community is is not just living there but giving back with all due respect all the listeners in where you live mad. I think San Francisco the Best Community Laurel in I wanna make it better and there are a lot of people who executive leadership positions that admire Meyer mark who find the time to get back and made their community better so I think I'm not as busiest him most other leader so I will always find time to make a community on in better and do what I can't to help it become a better pay. Sir and I love that and I think I mean there's I think sometimes when you justify things based on those personal goals obviously there's a fulfillment there but just like going out and playing softball at night or going on doing something else. There's a level of energy that you get personally that you can bring back to your job job back to your family from doing things that make you see oh good fulfilling based on the impact they can on your life on other lives in your community. Yeah you will never you know Admission Academy or on the board I go to the graduating ceremony ceremony every year in ninety nine percent of the people who attend our on financial blow the Poverty Line San Francisco in you you meet the parents and you meet the students and most of the parents are in English as a second language with that at all in in you see they're going to high school in in probably going to college <unk>. It's more rewarding than any almost anything professionally. You'll you'll do so I I do think that great work let me share with you live professionally. I think it's a great idea for people get back as well appetizer rewarding apple. That is the community. It's also gives you really great business. Experience leading volunteers people who work for you now normally do do what you ask them to. They feel that they you might get moved or not. Get their bonus. If you can Organiz Leader Group of volunteers that shows you how to really deal with people well effectively at all levels and especially if you get a volunteer and beyond aboard or see how aboard operates all board operate the same way and if you've got to be a part of one island you get to do something great for your community but you gotta learn a professional skill on on dealing with people in dealing with decisions at board mix and review payment to that and I think that is a really important thing I allow people may not think about relative to investing time in nonprofits especially if you can serve on the board is there. There's that interpersonal dynamics. There's that dynamic of taking people with different perspectives and sort of helping to drive some consensus. He comes a crucible for doing that within your team team within your own born professionally when you're working at one company you get what opportunity to do that when you can add to that nonprofit or is it just it adds a multiplier to your ability to learn from that just a few more minutes here with Jerry Brunner Chief Revenue Officer <music> SCOUT R.I.P. I know you're crazy busy. This is the this is the last month of the quarter for you. Guys appreciate you taking the government has to do this. Speaking quarter and trying to close deals a most people listening this call probably cringe when they fear the acronym are asked repeat it is not something people like to respond to something people actually like to create and most cases as well and it's painful process for everyone involved talk a little bit about a what scout dozen that realm very curious to hear people would interested here. Is there something that we can do to make this a little less painful for both sides it amazing to me help painful it is in for everyone who's received on an R._V. and had to fill it out and how painstaking. Arduous that was and were bonded anyone who's head to create one send it out and then review and compare all the responses. It's one hundred times worse when we were starting in. We have to grade co-founders. We started the bills. They found the real business need callaway meet this better for all parties involved in so that's where we really started so now when you have unbelievable brands fortune five hundred that are working with us and buying hundreds of millions of dollars worth the items every a single day they've streamline that they've saved costs if increase efficiency and they made it a better experience for both any people think Oh. This is a process and perhaps but I think this can be competitive differentiator as well can anonymous increasingly. I hear people say you know what I just don't respond to R._F._p.'s because they are so painful because it's such a in some cases arbitrary process if you can improve the process and you can get more people willing to participate in the program as a seller you're able to get involved in more opportunities that you can help and as a buyer. Are you get more better opportunities. You get more better options from people that are engaging that are actually gonNA deliver better results as well. It really helps everyone all around and you know the the terrible thing about R._F._P.'s. Everyone noses bonded. You hear no update. You don't know what's happening six months later you get an email yes or no right. I'm the latch from both sides. You don't know someone's going to reply. They don't know they left out some items what we've done is we need. Things Simpler. We help companies is by things that's what we don't every company buys things so we do is we say everyone could always check on the latest status of it we will give full visibility to boast internal and external stakeholders on data that who sits fits with it who's got questioned who doesn't have questions who's ranked highest and WHO's not ranked highest in terms of responding and who's the best position to win all that billy billy we can provide more minutes here with Jerry Brunner so thankful for him to you have taken some time with us today. Jerry I think the last question just want to ask you something that we asked most of our guests around the idea of just people that have been influential for you and your rise in your career GonNa be authors. Professors agree mentors former managers of course if people in recommended the people dug out as well that have been influential so you and your professional career all throw a couple different ones that you and and I'll explain why math thank you for this last question and thank you again. It really is an honor to to be joining you today big latitude but everyone says their parents let me just explain why my father was one of eleven <hes> who who was raised during the Great Depression in Kansas who didn't graduate high school he had the largest vocab. I've ever heard my life. You read probably books a week. Use words like precedent education you know he ran joined the navy seventeen and became a civil engineer for him. It was always a you had to be the best person you could be so I look up to him on what he's he's done in the family. He's raised his accomplishments and Trulia a thing. That's that's amazing. That's number one number two. I look at some authors that I really like and I can't put down Malcolm glad wellbeing although so I've never met him I've heard him speed but if you read all his books whether it's you know outliers tipping point or my personal favorite blink treasury into a Senator Guidon and you'll know what to do is right my gut old mates in run a business UNISOM Day and being executive and to be the best executive I had multiple skills <unk> Bowman and so I went about during that as well and then when you look at famous leaders in the world in and you think of you know go coaches players and people that I know Bob growing up in the west coast and in the bay area my favorite leader who happened to be football coach was bill lost the lost his book. The score takes care of itself. You know he talks about he had a belief in system. It didn't matter who was in the system or the believe he nature everyone. Adhere to his high standard everyone bought in he was allied himself right. He was coming out with new new ways to offense new people I really admire him and his body or things like climate grown up in the bay area in the eighties myself. It's one of my favorite answers to this question. After Five Hundred Radio Bill Walsh known as Great Leader for the reasons you said Great Leader of people with diverse backgrounds and interest esta bringing new ideas to the table. No one else was already good so love that will appreciate your time today on a thank I guess against an Jerry Brunner chief revenue officer for Scout R._F._p.. But some links to learn more about scouts in our show notes if you like this episode want to hear more Jerry if you want to share this with some of your friends in peers you can check it out in a couple of days. It'll be available on demand sales pipeline radio DOT COM. We'll be great. We'll be here again next week until then on behalf of Migrate Producer Policies Matt Hinds. Thanks for joining us on another episode sales. 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How to build customer loyalty for life: Ben Collier

Elevate: The Official Podcast of Elite Agent Magazine

36:34 min | 8 months ago

How to build customer loyalty for life: Ben Collier

"Win On food DOT and real estate to do Kovacs on a Monday to be doing twice as much as the next agent. But as the industry's evolved everyone's pretty much working at high level. They're all doing nickelback and they're all doing the same things so it's become a game of inches. Now you might be doing five percent more here. You might be doing two percent more here. In three percent such become a game of inches where collectively all those key differentials add up to where you might be fifteen percent iron above the next agent that the considering. So that's something that's evolved. Over time you're listening to elevate the official podcast of elite agent in real estate industry sales professionals managers and leaders in chip. Assode we bring you the best minds in business and real estate to help you lease Mall Sill more and elevate your results to connect with all things elite agent including the latest news. Coaching and features subscribe at our website elite agents dot com. Welcome to another episode of the elevate. Podcast where we delve into some of the most interesting minds in business and in real estate for the very best tips and strategies FIDA implemented. Elevate Your Business. I'm Samantha McLean editor of elite agent. And once again. Join this week market with. Thanks for having me back again. When are you going to do one of these interviews on your own daughter Crow by your wife from the microphone you keep turning up for the interests but you keep duck in the entities even run along Ben Kolia? What Guy Really Interesting Guy? Obviously on the cover of AL current issue of the magazine Business Really Interesting Guy. So you know like he doesn't give many interviews no he's not. The sort of person that craves being in the spotlight ended up having a really great chat with Ben when you walked out of the whole cast and we said goodbye been You actually said to me. I think he asked me more questions than I asked him. The one thing that really comes through in the last twelve months is top performers. Ask questions particularly when they're negotiating. And that's what Ben says. He's superpower is Peres of negotiation. So yeah it did occur to me that he was much more interested in. May normally than when I interview other agents like he had been the first ten minutes he'd asked me about my holidays he'd asked me about my daughter. He had asked me about the business he'd asked me about what makes an elite agent like say he basically built up a bit of a profile of. May very very very quickly. And I thought okay will that sense raisin he asked the question has power. We call the story the loyalty effect you know how in the industry everyone always says all play the long game. Play the long game. The game that been plays is not the long game. It's the lifetime game obviously. He sells some CDs. Biggest trophy comes into the tens of millions of dollars but quite rightly he points out that not. Everyone starts a property at ten million dollars. It's a really really interesting. Listen there's a lot of great takeaways from from your chat with Ben. First of all obviously check out the cover story issue in the Kardashian if the magazine but also in addition to that there's a Lotta takeaways that you put into the Action Guard for this as well. Yeah absolutely so. Elite AGENT ELEVATE DOT COM for the action guide. Become a prime member. You'll get all the action guys delivered to your door as well as all of our previous action guards during Boche and much much more so to become a prime member and get all that good stuff as it is a late agent dot com forward slash pride. There's another really good reason that you should have listened to this. And it's to do with the way that been views his team and view stop development and how he structures. He's weld basically said that he can be. He's still leads. The team but he is primarily a listing and selling agent which is really interesting and the other thing is ben is gun at everyone's favorite word of two thousand and nine hundred of market so this podcast is going to reveal a bit about how bannon practice that off market and basically it's is testing the waters. You'll he'd been talk about how he approaches marketing in this which I think is a really good. Listen so if you WANNA get access to the action God for this one on its own Visit ELITE AGENT ELEVATE DOT com. And if you WANNA sign up for pro and just get all delivered to you including the magazine. Hands-free all of that go to elite agent dot com slash pro. Well let's leave it at that and on with the show. Welcome to the PODCAST. Ben Collier it is an absolute pleasure to heavy he. Because I know that you're not wanted to freely give away a lot of interviews and things like that and I know that you dying actively seek publicity so thank you very much for coming in and talking to us about your career because you're one of the most established agents in the suburbs area which is notoriously competitive and it's also very hard to break into if you're new tell us about your journey into real estate. How did you choose real estate as a career? We're going nearly thirty years now but we're not fiscally school. I was unsure what I wanted to do as a career path in the end. My Dad sort of encouraged me. We're living in a country town at the time. And he encouraged me to go down to the local type and see what causes they were and those are real estate costs which I thought sounded interesting. I started to do the coals and enjoyed it but realized pretty quickly trying to at least in sale harms in a small country town was a pretty tough Gig so I decided to move to Sydney. So where are you from originally originally got it up and then light a towards the Animal? Schooling might dad moved to Grafton. Okay radio so this is a big shift maybe to Sydney was it always the eastern suburbs. I was fortunate to go to Boarding School in Sydney. The reason why I chose when up made me say the eastern suburbs at the time will specifically padding similarities because I had quite a few good friends whose families leap denies areas in those areas with immediate to me but what I will say sort of research was at the time there was a high level of turnover with Paddington. Terraces Millar terraces compared to what it was like in Grafton so what would the ely's in real estate like. I guess the only way I can answer that. It's still the same. But it's also extremely different the introduction of technology the Internet has certainly transformed the way that we go about at least selling hiring and promoting property and promoting silt. That met him back then. Brands were probably for my some people's minds whereas what has evolved either time has not just been a brand such but it's been the profiles of individual agents. You've got quite a good digital profile and devos also built a very successful Tamer. Angie said tell us a bit about your approach to the digital side of things those who ninety well-nigh that bordering on technologically enhanced by I do appreciate and understanding its relevance. Sometimes you can have two or three different speeds and the different markets but will say the way downsize on might choose to look for. Property is very different to someone in their early twenties yet. Are I guess it's made trying to be relevant? To all aspects of the market said choked me about some of this sales that you've worked on the last twelve months I guess I don't find us on just went into the market I. I've always taken the view that everybody has to stop some way. Omit Property Loft Sokoll people? Don't start on their property. Sokolow FOR THE MICE OF DELAY. Stein's dot buying the property for ten million dollars. It's very cherry. And so what's evolved either Tom? Enough cities before is the days out. Grandparents bought a house and side. They happily ever after is not something that we are familiar with. These days said generally someone may start by buying a one bedroom apartment that leads into a lodge a two bedroom apartment that might lead into a semi that might lead into a house. They might scale up to a larger house with a pool and then as they keep start leaving home they start to scale down on the other side. I guess I want to be part of that. Sokoll from inception so that you then become that individual that couples agent and then they referred to their friends and their families. And sphere of influence. And so therefore you've got a font sustainable business going forward. That's really interesting. Actually because people talk about playing the long game which you know most times. They're referring to not trying to list a person's hind the second that you made them. But you'll long game is actually a lifetime game. Everybody's different and you only WANNA spikes on selling houses above timmy and Dulles then will but for me does relationships that you've built either that time fairly significant so as people progress through the correze. You pretty much get dragged along for the ride. I mean there's some of my clients who like there's one client at the moment. I was fortunate to sell. He's I have some Paddington. At the time I think it was three hundred. Seventy five thousand dollars but we now acting on the sale of. He's property closed thirty. Yeah and we've gone through the rod through that whole process. Yes so in your third years. You've you've really follow people through their own property. Jenny's which is how you're selling those top trump integrate Jolfa someone in that first instance that want to continue to use you and I guess. That's what appeals to me. He added sometimes that of salt. Seven talks well. I you know what I mean. You did a great job on the way in. That was a happy experience at lucky to conduct the same prices again for them and Stalin asylum. Yeah interesting so tell me about what your team looks like now. I mean we did interview. A couple of yoga is just wanting the clock back for the future. Real Estate. The technology issue we interviewed five young guns from the agency and and two of them. Were your guys so tell me about what your team looks like today? While I'm a big believer in surrounding myself with people that make me look better than what I actually had so. I'm very fortunate to have people like David. And Peter and Andrew and Daniel enamored. I mean I guess what's happened over the yee's And certainly the model about business. It allows you to create a team within a brand and for me where. I'm not just centric on one area as I said to you a moment ago some of my clients have started with the house in Paddington. But I've time out of all clues. Ob Hill Sofia to be relevant in those areas. You need good support. And and that's what with US 'cause feeding with all that. Can you break down a little bit just for people that might be thinking about building a team right now listening to it thinking twenty twenty s my? Yida ticon an assistant or two. Can you break down your price to developing those young guys? I think when certain agents get to a certain point in the correze they start thinking about. Do I go open up my own office? And he principal For me to work at a very very high level and in terms of listening in selling in the guy shedding styles. I think I would be as effective as a principal and so I sort of made the decision to work within a brand but to create that Siamese infrastructure that I would have if I was a principal of an office camp and so I would is and myself. We constantly prospecting constantly nurturing relationships with buys and so for me to appeal to a facets of that market on a good support we coming up a pretty interesting twelve months in real estate and you know some people had a bit of a tough Yayla. Gee How did you find two thousand and nineteen and how you planning forward for twenty twenty? You'll have quote sign a you like that before you know. We had the biggest quota I've ever had in q one and then we hit the way as to fill and federal elections meant that for a lot of the market pretty much ground to a halt in that period but as we started to come out of that winter slumber and we've been seeing declines at a certain level of the market probably for the last two or three years certainly on three million dollars and then as we came out of that winter slumber that sort of June July school holidays started to kick and kick Very quickly so much side that a lot of the losses old the decline in the market that we had witnessed up to that point had pretty much rebounded squid was at its peak. And I've never quite seen that before so it was a year of extremes at volume was down but I'll title commissions. What heavy was all my squid? What it was the previous sheet which was a record for us so taking into consideration we effectively lost nearly four months of tried. We quite pleased with the end of calendar year last year. Yeah interesting and what about moving forward into twenty twenty? What D say is all? I think it's really trying to build on how we finish light loss g way quite fortunate that we've got some very good leanings. Coming on and the way we sort of look it doesn't show a lot of agents do is we look at each quarter to help set us up for the next quarter and so that's effectively conscious. Have a lot of stock. You've got a clear it but you've also got to leverage off that for the next quarter and so on so that's pretty much how we view everything like we're talking about pipeline management. Here I guess at a basic level. That's probably a good way to describe it. So so what you're doing with your team if I could kinda paraphrase that and maybe you can expand on a little bit is. You've got a fair idea. Already of what might come on in each quarter is sometimes you might have pipeline that you forecast is lucky to come into time and for whatever reason to use a hotline falls into six months. Yeah he had automated. It's I I guess we we're always looking at not just me. I guess as the the team later that the individuals within the team that we're all got a healthy pipeline going forward and that we've always got something that were clearly working on he wanted to cue to cue to into Q. Three Q. Three Q. Four that's something that we play a lot of attention so you'll marketing ole ends of the spectrum with the tame from apartments in particular areas through two big houses. I think was it last year that you had a massive addams family sell hyman. I think you also sold Rhino. Lusty as well. Reina was the befall e before before. But this is someone selling a large family hyme might choose scaling to a beautiful hop Assad apartment or they may choose to move into looking for that same love style but would prefer to be on the ground so therefore they might look at a home in Paddington. Lara site why being relevant to Orleans of the market makes a big difference. Yeah and you've really got to get to know the person and why they wanna move and things like that. People's journey on these bills one bar dealt with for three years. Yeah I think as we both went through that process. They were really refining. What it is that they were after united evolved and changed over that time and then I came up with the house. That finchley ticked every single box. Yeah interesting when you looking at building a marketing campaign for particular property. Do you start with a particular buyer in mind. Like how do you develop your marketing campaigns? What has evolved for us? I've lost us has been how many properties will sell off market yet. I support about process. He's we list a property for a campaign. In fact forty percent of stock last year was sold off market. That's my word of two thousand and nineteen of market and it's not that we deliberately try and sell houses off market a main. I'd say ninety percent of those times we've listed for a full live campaign but pot about process is to share that without database nice boys. We've been nurturing iber period of time and invariably what ends up happening is we may receive fell that's with while considering in the vandals ause but at the very least what we get out of that process with her two weeks or three weeks. Whatever the Tomlin my B. is we received critical McAfee back. I weeping ambushes some price. Ease their damn smell coming from the laundry for example and then allows us to make those adjustments or admendments before we go into a live campaign. I feel and I find that if you are trying to make those adjustments on price and name what have you halfway through when you are actually live. It's too late so it's a bit like doing your homework. Will due diligence. Boy. Stop. Yes so there's a period where there is testing. And then you kinda go live but again you know. It's one of those things where you've got to really Nurcia DOT vice and you've got to cultivate it and keeping regular contact with those people say that they feel that the next time you have something for them yet. Pleasure probably GONNA have a look at it absolutely says somebody like you know. I think Josh vegans than a number of interviews with some unlike Alex Phillips who is on the final day every day. What does your General Day look like from when you get up at five? Am Club with three kids. One of whose Aurora's side Yeah But it's much the same I think for people they they use technology as a crutch but really the the eighth and the mantles is about business. Hasn't really changed and that it's staying in regular consistent contact with people yet whether that be face to face in a meeting all on fine. An emails. Not going to do that job for you. It's an end look. Alex is extremely good. I Gen- unbelievably And so he's very much on the fine all the time as way as I would assume I sought foams yeah interesting if he could take yourself back to the early days now that we've you'll thirty years worth of experience. Is there some advice that you would give yourself? Look we're always evolving. I never feel as we've rached what I consider to be up. Hey we're I think a lot of agents Mike Him stike as will ease. They have a successful outcome with the re. They secure a listing. That's important to them. All they secure a assail and they'll literally switch off and almost potty to celebrate whereas you know when you secure that leading. That's part of the job you've been sheer with the market and particularly pop line. That you've got it coming on and then you go to very hard towards Shaving successful outcome and then once you've achieved that successful outcome oil sale even to leverage off at again Wyoming Syllabi but syllabi for thirty seconds. It's you know what I mean because you then there's nothing worse than having a successful outcome and achieving a great result and then literally three doors down two weeks later another boards up someone else. I mean a lot of agents do fall into that trap of securing a whole bunch of listings. And then they've got to go into sales mode inside the prospecting side of things gets. You've got to be very disciplined. Yeah that you that all facets of what we do you always focusing on. Yes such as prospecting in during pipelines and the license of things. Do you have someone that focuses on on that project management side of things to make sure that always done every meeting and discuss who on eight to follow up on the Listings Front Ama- listings pop line. My current bengals current buys and sells it with China. Clay is I mean. That's pretty much the the basics of it but that's not just me that's all sides with Montaigne. Yeah so what would happen. Say if you guys were at capacity and other listing came on and meant something else had to give. How would you manage priorities? Say whether you've got five listings all twenty listings. It's much the same but they're not always alive at the same time. Yeah that's probably the K. Difference Yeah you would manage when they go live. This said that nobody got. I've alighted somewhat might be shine off market for example Be Five six and you might have ten. Twelve fifteen loudly sings at at that stage. So you just work around it. Yeah what is the most memorable property? You've sold funny. Thing is the most mineral property for me was a house. I didn't get paid full. I had listing and it was during the AFC and these boys came and my windows are already bought three me as well and saw selling a house owes you know there was a bit of pressure applied and a couple came through and said what we really like it where buyer at one point nine million dollars but a house is currently on the market. It was on the market with a competing agent and in the end I ended up selling that House. Full them said like could complete on molly sitting so that was a very rewarding experience for me that we were able to achieve that. It's an unusual. One it's not just the really really ugly things that I get excited by. It's more sometimes the circumstances and eventual backing you and you delivering on the promise that would definitely put a smile on my S- People's faces. I think you'll window and yourself as the I wanNA feel that you've done absolutely everything you can to achieve this result and so that when there is an offer on the table it's with considering because collectively if you will look wouldn't have done anything more. Yeah you can feel like that with virtually every listing. Then you'll have a good year. You're on the cover vow February issue and it took a bit of talking to get you heat while my science would be and do kind of Bang outdoor down to get the publicity and stuff like that you kinda shy away from that which is really unusual in the real estate industry. Wise that for me withers I feel as our for something relevant to say or or to add but to Mayo more. My priority is more enlisting selling. Yeah I don't think that what I do necessarily is worthy of that sort of attention but I certainly like to feel as though I mean. We all work very hard. Some people with more effective than others and Go to strong work ethic in Mississippi team around me so I guess you sort of get to a point where people sort of say to you. We'd like to hear what you have to say. And but but the thing is I don't really do anything much different to anyone else. Other than the fact that possibly Musculus. It differs from the Knicks Agent in terms of negotiating and achieving results. I mean there are lots of agents who claimed that they sell high volume and they sell more properties than everyone else and. That's great for them. But how does that translate to the people that they're acting on that is the seller in the vial so if the results aligned with that volume then there's a problem it is interesting because we were talking. Yesterday we were taking a million photographs. I'll view as as we usually do and US made the question. What do you say makes a good agent song? Entertain that around now. What is it that ye think makes a really good agent? This whole process is not about us. It's about the Bendel and it's about the ball collectively realizing the Knicks Chapa in their life with a just to help them whereas I think a lot of agents tend to Mike it more about the yeah and loose. Saad of that. It's not about us. It's about them. And so you try to make it a positive experience for bud thoughts rather than one with if you WanNa get through that again. Yeah I guess that's how I sort of take the view Omar things. Yeah absolutely. So you've got a young team which has grown over the years. What do you look for? When you're recruiting somebody new to join the Ben Kolia Tame odds a bit like the kipp. What you wishful because it might happen. But it's a steep learning curve and and you're exposed to UNITED SOME PRETTY HOT PRICE FALL WINDOWS AND HOT PRICE. Volvo is and listings. Your attention to detail has to be at a high level as well but again they they'd to learn what might be considered this practice with it being negotiating or how to conduct the whole process. But eventually they'll get to a point where it's time for them to go out on the Orion and and that'll be something that will celebrate those a fellow by the name of Borden that worked for me for quite some time and he's now the principle of design agency up at Lenox hidden. We celebrated in that again. It's not just about me. It's about individuals would be more time evolving and developing side. That I can get to a point where they can be there on their person. How does the agency support you in that? Because you just alluded to the facts. Lilia that you were saying that you were listing in selling agent and it was not necessarily being a principal that appealed to you and the Sierra great which has a lot of support in that way so I want very lucky with the locks. Manhood and Thomas McLean. Who assist me. I guess working on my business. Yeah at times. He can decide busy with what you're doing. Die Today. You lose sod off your actual business itself and at Times Thomas. Will Matt will say Ben? You seem to be this thing in selling more Sierra Pacific Time that you put another agent within you attain. We aunt focusing all metro area for example. So I'm very lucky. In that regard I guess. The model of the agency is for people like myself to grise teams. I guess that's what's appealing as opposed to me trying to manage front office staff and trust accounting in a property management business and all the things that will that are associated with the real estate office whereas for me my dated I concentration is just on my wasting selling and maintain itself. Yeah well that's that's actually really good or Saddam met and Thomas. Fairly regularly Say regularly or we twice a month to discuss my team and how we going with on track off track by tops of things. Yes sometimes I ac- but as an outside looking in the alcee something that you hadn't conceded. Look I had mentors that even industry mentors in business. I'd I just look at what others are doing. Just specifically within the real estate spice in mopping the tech sector might be banking draw inspiration from lots of different areas. I was about to be my next question. Actually Di have a mentor. Someone that inspires you a loss nuts. Yeah lots of different people for different reasons. Yet whether that be the culture that they've created within their I in business or industry or whether it be technology based whole host of things that you joins Borussian from I look regardless of with the your real estate agent. I think in any business. You have to be constantly pressing the refresh button. Yeah with the website. Or what have you but not taking away from the fundamentals of what makes you special and what appeals to people. You've still got to be true that coal bed. I think that certainly if you WANNA volving and you're GONNA get left behind pretty quickly. Yeah you mentioned a little while ago that that your top skill or let's let's call it. Your sacred superpower is your house of negotiation. What is a tip that you can give other agents on becoming a better negotiator? I guess when I was eighteen I sold out who I considered to be the best negotiators and Basically surrounded myself with is people and even now I've listed properties full and salt to some the business she has in Sydney and I listen and learn when talking to those people even though you might be trying to act on missile will sell them something. You'll learning through that process. And so it's something that it evolves over time and I'm not saying him in my mind a money today so few ifan decline in banking finance. Oh yeah the reality of it is a lot of the people that we always instill to negotiate for living in their respective jobs as well YEP. It's just different just different and so I guess what becomes much easy Through the negotiation prices. He's when you've been helping someone for considerable period of time brought to this. Trust is a stronger pool. They between you that certainly assist in achieving a better result like for example someone that might have been working with the threes. There's a strong repeal and then when you fondly find that wrought house it's it becomes more function of. What do I need to do to on it? Yeah the real estate industry is obviously changed a lot in the last thirty years that you've been in it and we talked about a few of those things but the one question I'd like to ask you is if there was one problem that you can solve in the real estate industry. What would obey the problem off on? The SILLA? Is the meeting a lot of agents for the first time there will effectively saying the same thing and I think that went off those dotted real estate. You just had to do your coal bax on a Monday to be doing twice as much as the next stage but as the industry's evolved. Everyone's pretty much working at a high level. They're doing kovacs and they're all doing the same things so it's become a game of inches. Now you might be doing five percent more. He might be doing two percent more here. In three percent did so it's become a game of inches weight collectively all those key. Differentials add up to where you might be fifteenth. The same iron about the next is at the end is considering. That's something that's evolved over time. It's a lot more competitive than what it was twenty five years ago. Thirty is a guy. there's a lot of people choosing real estate now as a pre series career and if you are prepared to take it seriously then certainly there's a period of way you Gotta. Keep Your Eyes Open in your ease. Ivan Humil- shot and and listen and learn from the is that you considered to be that the top of the game effectively is i. I watch some young is young people just coal at coal of the coal. That's not really establishing a relationship such to be getting spam emails yet. Jalen maintenance does not cut through how we refuel. Having to face appointments with people that's different. I mean when I started in real estate those at a time where everybody was selling. Not a lot of people with Boeing and really to get asylum. You had to have a good relationship with the BOA and with that be getting a buyer and UCAR and showing them one house off to the next to the next. What's happening in that time? Is You're developing and nurturing relationship. The forgotten what used to happen back in and I think that if you're doing now is Kate principles than that. You may not end up selling them. They may not have come up with the White House. But the most likely considered you when I got a cell godless where the be real estate or whatever industry you choose. Try An emotion self with people that you consider. Debate the best in the field. Because you're GonNa learn best practice effectively ause very fortunate that for me. That was John McGuire and James Dak. At the time you know no one's gained a hanged you success on a plateau though. Certainly give you advice. It's what you do with that advice. Although suggestions you know you can go to as many seminars as you want. But if you don't implement the things that you considered to be relevant than the gun do something else absolutely. That's just a wife you'll time right so if you are prepared to implement it and you're prepared to were extremely hod and therefore be effective than you'll do well but again it's a process. It's not going to happen either. Not and you have to understand that if you're trying to develop a relationship with someone who's already got a relationship those one does what echo the line. Who's very good client of mine? Now I chased him for fifteen years. He's business and every time they would go to sell something he would give it to. He son's good friend who he went to school with. I touch these particular posted for fifteen years and then I ended up selling something to him money for his daughter and because of that prices in the way I conducted myself from that I now do everything for you know. Sometimes these things that happen within a few months sometimes at my niece Dick is so I guess understanding that and being patient and remaining relevant probably the kate points that people need to consider yes and as you said before making it a pleasant experience for them because I'm sure that the customer experience was defector. Now you WanNa be that when you call someone and they see your name flesh on. They find. They're going to answer it. He has now not thinking of selling or I'm not thinking of buying. Do you know what I mean you. You WanNa be a point when you call them all. Hey going what's happening in the market. That Thomas Stuff. Yeah absolutely. So what's next fears like? You've achieved some pretty big mountains in terms of the properties that you've sold and also in terms of growing the team that you have. What's your next goal? It's not just about breaking records in building on the previous success. It's helping the next person. The cheap bid real estate or property dreams in the night time. What happens you tend to get more listings and when have more listings? You've got more opportunity to have more sales. If someone chooses to come on board with my team I have a responsibility to them to ensure that by Lynn. What it takes to one debate there on agent but it's not just about them helping may become more successful. I've got a responsibility back to name again. I'd like to thank you for joining us on the PODCAST. So it's been an absolute pleasure having you here and I know that there will be some definitely young and not-so-young agents that are inspired by your career and your theory Jenny. If those one thing that you would like everyone to take away or are members result of listen to this chat what would it be having a clear understanding that yes they work alongside of brand or within a brand but they themselves are a brand? If you're an associate agent working for late agent you still have a brand. That works alongside. You'll late agents brand that works within a platform within the brand. You know. Be Very mindful of that going forward because the conversation or the people you make today. It's funny you know if you have an on on an individual. Sometimes it can comeback five years ten years later where you might a difference to someone and gave them an experience with. I WANNA use you again. It was a silent deed. Slushy with you before where I had them in my car and showing them how south to house up the house and the ended up buying through another agent and I congratulated them. Wish them well and then they told me ten years later and I ended up leaving and selling the house year before last. You never know what I conversation too late to in the future. Yeah it's like That old expression yet people may not remember exactly what you said or did but they remember how you made them feel hundred percent and so you'd be surprised how many people will watch you develop as an agent and industry and people are watching and they all. There's another probably that you might have come on and for some people they enjoy watching you succeed over a long period of time. There's a beautiful older couple who I met when I was eighteen. They said we always said we get you to sell out house and assault a full twenty five years lighter side. It's it's an interesting particularly if you work with a specific area for a long time for a long period of time and people will watch and observe as you progress as both a human being and as an agent. Yeah Interesting Ben Kolia. Thank you so much. Thanks to connect with all things allegiance including the latest news. Coaching and features subscribe at our website elite agent dot com.

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23: Why Sportsball is so Great

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23: Why Sportsball is so Great

"World. Join us on hat as many things as we discuss. Weiss sports ball is so great. Hello, welcome to the house of many things after a mild house meeting hiatus. I am settled in my new quarters in my office, and I'm joined with my compatriots tall. Joining us today, we also have brought to you may know from pulmonary English August all previous episodes of the Havemann things that he has s on political matters on days, who actually knows about sports Lou. That was Dave. It's not safe work. All these people being like. So today, we're going to be talking about sports, what sports and more. It's usually ones involving bowls sometimes involving fists in my opinion is not a sport, unless warm lodge money's matching the lodge, nines football, not a sport dos. Not a sport be. Oh. Would sex peer sport by that ball boundaries. It would be close as a spot. I mean you can you can certainly be sporting during sex, and you can definitely volts, even if you so inclined. So rolled about politics, Dave about sports. What do they have income, lots of people like to shout, differing opinions, each of the tribalism is a massive thing and Paul to battery out outta reverent? Certainly, you've got berko. You've allowed nothing folding older, maybe records out ring on the pitches or or. Was on. Yeah. I was gonna say they tend to play on national Listrik tendencies during certain events. We have a World Cup this year. And what brings out nationalism like a world court or anything else that will increase? For the throwing of beer over people, I think back to the twenty eight team well company might of beer that was wasted. Trying on sorry. Occurring in nineteen. I don't know what, what? This year. How can. Nothing really happened in between except some legal the Olympics, which wait a second, can I say to bring this nationalistic tendencies again? You'll welsh. Yeah, I am of English. During which means I, of course, team isn't it? Which is why. Sports just fits. Oh, you're killing just I'm dramatically because this is why you wonder. Or any going on except in the women's over Wilco? They tend to actually play some, some fobel, they play some great stuff there. I remember one of my darkest moments was staying up until two AM to watch the women's World Cup. And see England go out to a hundred twentieth minute own goal. That was like it was very lucky to be to be fair. How much more English could you be to go out on an own-goal? It was it was incredible it being English supporting and the mid any sport is just full of disappointment. And it's like. We'll just we'll just swing it back. We were normally styling with a definition home. What is the definition of sport? So as usual, we've gone to Wikipedia, the source of all definitions sport includes autumns of competitive, physical activity, or games, which though, casual organize participation aim to use maintain or improve physical ability and skills while providing enjoyment to participants, and in some cases entertainment for spectators, that's quite a mouthful. Also, I'd like to note that the next sentence to start off with hundreds of sports exist, which, you know, that's probably true while like. This. We will stop. Why rolling issue soccer fans of soccer ball? Yes. Depends in the sense that I cannot stunned watching on TV However I almost season to hold holder Oldham. So I do hate myself enough to follow full th division team. Cogan old flip misnomers going the way. So I mean like I'm sure that we could have some interesting comparisons between division full all the trim of you. Both been two games in your respective divisions. Yes, yes, I have as well. I suppose Coventry City, so I've seen them in the championship in the one and in the two as we slowly got worse and worse overtime not gonna lie to surprises that Coventry's. Cathedral? And finally, got to 'cause one destroyed all all, we've got charm. We've got football chart about having to now. Now you have to might interest. Coventry homes he Coventry homes, we speak with an accent exceedingly rare. You want to the we've got one to spare Coventry homes. That's what house Watson the athletic Trump unless about sausage rolls. Account really think too much of on. Brutally honest there. Well, at least one that doesn't involve lots of swearing that while seem to happen. Yeah. So apart from not having lots of swearing, which I'm trying to be nice and clean, which doesn't always, what makes what makes sokoll a good sport, white wine should somewhat soccer. I will just interject say, I have seen in football slash sokoll before, and, and I have seen some locations, but I don't I start with why don't why don't you softball. I mean so I think probably my main reason for it is. I just don't find it. Particularly interesting to watch like understand all the rules. The, you know, people say, oh, they'll Sidra was husband's Dan is no idiot has has changed. It has changed various points for various reasons. And maybe that confuse people at the time. But now I just I never really found it that interesting to watch. I think is thing that's much more interesting to play a foot games on the Kenyan out of mine. I'm gonna kick him out. You, you would have to pay me sit and watch a game of football. Yeah. And I mean. I think the thing I would say so my, my dad's actual team is Man United. But because of my grandma wheels have Lincoln city is a team in our family say, concealing and city game. And it was I think it was a five five to wind Lincoln city. And the poem is all other football games seen since have been less exciting than that, like that, that as a school. I don't seem full very often. I think that's probably the thing that I find interesting like, what we'll get to rugby but other games have more scoring more points and that, you know, I'm a simple human disliked. See big numbers. Go up. Ichi. That's a counterpoint to why I think football is so good. Because in other sports, if team is better than the other they tend to win like nine thousand nine times out of a hundred. If we have if, if you've got New Zealand against like Georgia in the rugby like they would win all the time but football because it's such a low scoring game. There's like a greater chance of upsets the narrative isn't always set. And I think it's one of those sports where you really can batted undock less. The city winning the title was a five hundred to one shot star, but they were able to do it. I don't think many other sports can say that they've had such an underdog story on unexpected win throughout the history. So that, that's one of the reasons I think, football is like so accessible, and so much more, citing than Japan, being South Africa in review. Yeah, I'm not saying that it never happens. I'm just saying that upsets in football fumble lightly. United can go to stoke and lose. Unexpectedly on a Wednesday night and that tends to happen a lot more throughout the season than it will do with the test or the oughta game in a World Cup scoring visit injuries. A great relevant ability process day. What is it, you, I could dislike about soccer? I'm a non calling football is faulty sackable. So now to be fair to be fair soccer suits. We down to the coin. In a little bit. The I'm just what at USA version of I have no idea. You likes usually probably like plastic young. Lived in Texas, that comes for a little bit. But no, for me with, with good old soccer ball. My love of it is, actually the atmosphere that you got on the day. But suppose you do get it in a lot of sports as well. Now, the annoying thing is about playing in a lower league and only having say four or five thousand people rather than what you'd see the tens of thousands in the highly exh- is the jury in home games. You tend to sit there and not do too much. Because everyone so spread out, but the away game atmospheres, the go when you can take two to three thousand people to fight right? No, those are the ones that everyone's just together at enjoying what is there in just in having fun as they go through? So take, for instance, going to two full them, and taking full thousand people in the FAA cope taking the same amount of people that promote have in the same almost the same numbers funds, as Doncaster in the in the fall. Around that would happen. But is not just a matter of the, you know, the FA cope and play in those big is particular with Oldham itself being quite a community based club is the you don't tend to see a big fall off of people that go home to people that go away. We fill out stands wherever we go. We have enough enjoying it wherever we doing it. But the problem is, we don't then get more home funds that replicate the atmosphere, so for me, it's the trips away and just having having a good time with people that you might not necessarily see outside of football boys having that camaraderie. And just generally octane light. The lot is the really's quite fun. So there is a calls the elephant in the room with. Which is why you with every right? It's really parent info, all any of us UK simply because of the difference in popularity on. I'm sure isn't, but it called Welby the same percentage of like hooligans and violent and like people's in trouble in football crowds is in any of the hour. Because the crowds so big the percentage crazy grated number enough or greater. So it could be literally no worse than any of this, in terms of percentage of funds just how just by virtue of having more funds, but it never feels like it was like wherever you go in Memphis on a fall, this, this trouble all over this is equal, 'cause in augments, vice. I mean, people get wage drunker will be way more be resolved this bull this just less violence intro. And maybe it's just you to less less funds total out, small percentage of towns willing coast. What, what is it about the culture for the stems this kind of undesirable behavior of personally? If you don't mind me jumping in narrow by theme, personally, it's to do with how condensed you've got so many the end of the day, big sports clubs. If you take ruby for instance, how many are in the English Premiership right now how many teams how many clothes? Well that for instance so this twelve teams and that's across England. So you've got twelve teams across England that yeah you can gain rivalries as you go. Boy is never going to be a local rivalry. Yeah. I mean they take Newcastle's. Yeah. The Northampton glossy sexual so ex to an hour hollered soy around. Yeah. So, so the majority the majority of teams at ruby, you'll have if you follow ruby, you'll have that scene, the group Neha which you'll be the one that you follow because of how condensed you've got because you've got ninety two professional teams in Molloy's probably more than not. You've got a lot of professional teams in England. The follow football, the naturally going to have that condensed amount of teams is good. You know, you can grow on a street in the middle of the roof parts of Manchester enough people that follow Monday. I ate all the people that follow Mancini all the people that even follow Liverpool or even follow black boom, when they hire ope. Yes is twenty teams into primarily then still got full taught primarily divisions. So this, there's a lot more condensed aspects of lot, more passion Rayleigh, when it will not, not passionate such, you're almost on top of each of the when it comes. To who is the ego note with, who is anything that causing because you're always going to end up. Bumping into people that followed infant teams now it's not an excuse for it. But you, you always have those pockets of funds the arrest late a little bit more. And I feel like you know, husband shown a lot more and it was a lot more prevalent in the eighties. But you know, with films like with films like Greenstreet only kind of highlights it within the within the mainstream aspects of current times, but you'll always have those, those tiny Puckett's funds will become violent, and I think a lot of it will is to do with the fact that the so many professional teams pretty much on top of each other. Okay. That. That is an argument for I've. I've got to my first one is culturally football is one of the only sports that separates its home fans and it's a way fans. So in rugby you mix together in cricket. You mix together in tennis doesn't matter who you're supporting everybody's dead together. And even just that feeling of knowing you might be nearing away fan, all mingling makes that person more human makes you less likely to be a bit of a hick during a game. I know certainly not gone to see bath rugby a law, you know, that you've got extra fans next to you, when you realized human being, you can get on with them. Meanwhile, I've been at Coventry versus stoke and had the fans the away fans start to charge at me because things were getting a bit heated during the game. At it's the fact that it sort of, makes that tribe Listrik feeling makes you feel like you know, your wall with this other team that's unique to football and creates that, that's gonna fight high stakes feed the you know, when I mean to be honest, I don't, and I would say that it is, I was his fact that started as a result of tribals violence all than tribals of violent start as a result of segregation. Yeah. But I'm trying to say is the football is the only sport that's reinforce that culture throughout every other sport tries to make the opposition found more human on. Mingle to get football is the only one. Okay resume is simply much. Yeah. It's not unless you watch the alliance but will go about. Yeah. We do have this. Okay. So I'm I'm usual. Nothing patently obvious. So is listed on all this. Is number two. It is Honda involves lodge men smashing into each other in the Ville, while surpassing, an off shape whole would never woods. Only backwards kicking it VO is attempting to cross a, while a line on the ground. It's extremely physical. It requires a law thima because the most, what's I prefer it to football reasons? I mean the first season we biased I grew up playing on. There is a culture very much in ruby now, novel, motions ropy, tons of pride it self very much on respect is about game respected, integrity and resemble. The only the cotton referees. See shout play. Cinven free Alcon topping one is strict has to be strict because there's a high risk of series injure. There is a risk of serious injury mobile. What is less common and less frequent ace just notable spoil play as large or strong that way. Just make sense that you have to be strict and as a result, it reads, this culture, respect that it's players and fans often field. I personally my major gripe with whole as I feel like the highest tend to be extremely Hourigan entitled. They don't tend to feel respected jersey wearing the funds that sharing for them all the referee on the fish or even the rules as like that's my diving. With all the polling over milking penalties is I feel like they don't respect in the rules of their own game. Why do also complex school? They may simply be trying to tensions seems reachable. Why do you feel that way too much? Dive, isn't it? Yes. They're yes. Like eight like how it needs something out for me to even have a chance of respecting game because I don't respect for people playing because if that respect the game that plane, why, why would I respect the people? Enjoy. I just don't always understand this, or let's find it very slow, which is interesting, as my housemate rope reduce lie. When I find fulfills his to me football. He's ninety minutes of jogging ninety minutes of jogging like nothing happens occasionally, like fifteen to thirty seconds of someone sprinting near goal and take Nichelle. All those moments excited. Those are exciting some games. You only got like four by just nothing. It's just his joking has watching the mountain pairing it to, to rep massive rugby, founders was well, played rugby. And so I've got great respect for both games, but with with with rugby it's very stop start game. You know, when you get a scrum, you can just what you phone for five minutes while, you know, touch polls engage no sorry lights that one collapsed again. Will reset it, you can get moments like ereck slow the game down in it's a game of phases. You come the not that. Yeah. I mean it depends on the the six nations. They see it has been tremendously exciting because a lot of teams have been playing a king expensive game really send it to the position. Meanwhile in previous years, I think the England team of two thousand and three was very turgid Fullwood side spaced on this kicking the ball winning attrition. And then it would cry. She so it's yet I, I do this on the will. Stops. The same argument can be applied to a great American Jews from on one thing I do. Enjoy Barbara, we sometimes is wasting phases like setpiece paces game, the show when you've got one team trying to smash over the lines ten fifteen minutes and you're waiting for one of the penalty all you're waiting for the one mistake all the turnover to me. That's the highest thrilling thoughts. Some of my favorite moments will be. It's not just the best tries long rooms all over clean breaks, its edge of you see tension, that you get from the extended Yose fashion. So I think one thing we mentioned earlier is when you will watching be you tend to mix the fan base. So, for example, I went to Twickenham and soul in v. Wales is a friendly mostly ramble with people, and that would just wouldn't seem tenable football match. Whereas in, in rugby it was. And I think maybe that ends at I think maybe that adds to the tension because you get the feeling from both sides. It's not just you wanting one like wins. Goes slightly against. And then the, the those people are male the side, yet, they're delighted see you get that kind of more of that play back and forth in within the crowd, watching on. I think I'd echo what you said, like out of old of sports. We're gonna talk about Rabih is the one. What Walla Walla don't follow it on a week by week basis. I do my best, what sick night six nations and the and the World Cup for the and it's the one I've seen most live, and, and with friends like in a pub, and you really do feel that tension in a way, I don't think I do what will and I think is just because I feel more invested in it because I know I don't like I understand what's going on in football. But I think I probably agree with you in just looks like a love running, and occasionally something interesting. I, I feel like from moment to moment. Rugby has more interest for me. Like you say, you can even look away phone. I can't look away for a minute, because I miss them the toilet. I look away at the scrum. That's what I'm saying. The scrub is the boring pot wants the scrums over. I'll look at it now. See I used to be in a swim. So I'm looking for. The mistakes. I'm looking Z's Lear and using penalize to this. I'm looking to see why the squirm hall is physician. And why the, the box of -sition like how deep is the line where the mismatches where the GOP so they're gonna go left. Go right. You can judge faces the view. So that might just be a difference in knowledge of game in the same way that people who enjoy football more are gonna see more than just copy were jogging gonna say, well, this person's vision and his vision in order to cry barium. We reached UP scarcer, as the only I've rarely minds to enjoy simple when Wales for in yours. I did start watching on. I just saw them our guest. It's more like chess than Affleck's just like all let's just move. This east to the it it's funny you should mention Welsh into your eyes because I was going to say about you talking about the slow build up in rugby to, like the fifteen minutes of pressure on a line that gets you try nessa bust the relief of you know, that, you know, this, you'll glad that they've schooled, but it's kind of a subdued reaction. Because you knew it was coming. I just wanted to compare it to this sort of, like outburst of joy an England goal, I think, football can be snappier Amorin expected, and it can lead to great outbursts. And I'm really sorry. It wasn't on purpose by half. Picked England beating Wales at your twenty sixteen. Go reaction, that's fine. I mean it's not mice will not an ocean invested in clip two. But yeah, no, I think that people in England in general some of these yet mole passionate full than the new people. I think that's more of a cultural thing than this is the reason football is so big is because anyone can play in any number three people near forget about people never penalties. Just take tents like you come play roping without even teens. And honestly, you can't play proper review fifty on each side like and rubies, compare games. Anyone over what you kind of need to play, which I think rights, high of our age winters knowing that you can only play be on a software. This. You can only play on which rules out any inner-city unless you have a place quiet. Whereas football exploded in popular. In-country joined indoor pollution because individual factories used to have teams in cities, and they would all get together at the week under representing the factories that the playful so you could play on concrete replay on cobblestones you could play anywhere which leads to a very organic and explosive growth as the computers, increasingly urbanized. So you'll small muscles colors various historical reasons and the horse way more Salish in UK, cool. I mean you wanna see, like I'll save can find that the video of hot. If when Jacome this is going on this, this was for me, the greatest sporting moment, I've ever witnessed in the World Cup in two thousand fifteen Japan who were Ryan, I believe seventeenth beat South Africa, who were ranked second Gulf, South Africa. He will know the having the jemele largest Zine ins of mass platelet the general mass there. All right. And japan. Owns privately not out on. It was though so much heart in, in the win. There was so much. They played into overtime when they were a draw at any point, they could have just kicked ball and a draw against one of the three best teams the well, and it would have been great achievement of that thyroid seem in, in history. Warm mistake Wanson of a one thing wrong wom- penalty, and they would have conceded that if anything was going to be dropping. They would have lost our put a kit. That say have penalties go to fix for the joy of that. They didn't say an after about eight minutes, I think of, of just trying and just pure hall. Go over the line and Bs on Africa, and I've never ever been anywhere wet. Everybody regardless of team Mesa for Jim like it wasn't all team won. It was holy cropped one on the docks or it was incredible, though, this is, irate firms, reacting to a Japanese were ace, just not something yet ever, like did anybody except less. The phones jump open share Alaska. I think people kinda like all school was nice change. You know, it's a nice thing. I don't think any morning. Reacted like the England near you showed me if it wasn't errands, if you watch, I think a lot of the nice. Okay. I think a lot of the reactions from when less though when through from there will mainly sorry, what must when LeicesteR when the league was mainly from the none top full teams. But they wouldn't have like you said, yeah, he would just exactly they wouldn't want to celebrate with the same amount of vigor that they would have done save. It was their own team. I celebrated a law when South Korea Germany out of the World Cup this year like a lot and they weren't my team button. Is that just because you're right? What Coa Englishman who still have is about? So it's, it's just the Gary Lineker said football is a game of nineteen minutes. And at the end the Germans win. And that's what I've been told all my life. But for once they didn't win and it was incredible to see them. Go out such stage, that might be quite like a bad reason to support them. But you talking about underdogs and stuff like that. It's the Jimmy don't always win like Brazil Spain. These are the teams I felt. Not true. I think it's because we have history with Gemini, though, we have the particular rivalry and not. I mean, in sporting way, not just the the, you know, a leading toward to Jimmy are not New Zealand. Wineman. Yeah. I, I agree with that. I think it's just that they are always in fantasy. When you put your fantasy football team together. Everybody said all Germany, always get to the semi finals Germany, at the team, you combine com, the reliable ones to get through and to help that sort of shock to see the implosion that was almost English in its style was was a relief. Was it was quite sites home? So you know there's there's six going on right now. England all thoroughly dominating at this point signed, Wales are on the longest active winning streak emotion or playing terribly is really with island currently the second best even willed by a mile then core just randomly this month. Hold by an English side, that has been under the formative years. And he's now apparently amongst the overnight Scotland are playing than they, they have gone in years, fronts, fronts Curiel. It's an old saying is that you never know which French sites going to I'm then you'd Go Italy who once again, Archie playing better than the van McClay, they all get better year on year even if they always moss. So it's great woman. Six nations is incredible people who, don't watch what we tend to Susan's, and they recently school for putting it behind a paywall putting on a subscription may service and the committee of hind. This nations will allow evidence in it on the basis that it's too important for ruby that the six nations is free to watch, because tracks so many people outside of the coal fumbles is what gets water Wilco position in Japan which is great after the Japanese combs ASO, muscle hope against on. I really hope they do. Well, I really have Wales. I really hope all the home nations. Do I would like to see England be well, not win? Like my dream, welcome finalize wales-england final Wales about that would be that the ethics and I would seem make it to the final expense. I think I don't think you would ever show us if you beat us in a World Cup final. I can't imagine a world in which every Welshman I meet doesn't mention in passing that they beat us in a World Cup final in that scenario will being fair as well. Every time you bring any soul result. Even if his six nations, it's a great delight full wealth to beating wish in evens. The English action is always will. Have you? So I was self a winning Wilco just. That's fair enough. There is we've talked briefly American Volvo or is it slate with barbecue? Only one of those, I think knows great about. So do you feel about Hugh hunt egg? Carolina style, Louisiana style, Texas, most certainly any style, it would come through to be honest, personally. The reason why I prefer barbecue on Doug is just like just like actual barbecue. There are many different styles that you can actually enjoy it with. And personally, although of is the NFL scene is the pinnacle the biggest shore of this is within the college football rings for those the onto shoal the way that you get players in the NFL is by either trading with other teams are signing people as a free agent when the contractor out, all by having a wonderful thing called the NFL draft. Every will you take an eye of this system, and I would like to see this. I mean, the fact that you can. There is a reason for attending university false bolts aspects. And then although ninety nine percent of them will just get a cheaper, education or a free education in zooming stinks. The fact that you then got an opportunity to go play, one of the, you know, one of the top leagues spoil in leagues across the world even though is only basted than in in North America it, they don't because it's not baseball. It's, it's, it's superb and it's an owl which is always great. But it's it's having that particularly at the college level. I mean you watch the NFL teams will do very similar things. There is sprinklings hair in their of different systems that people will play and different ways that people can play the game. But if you really want to kind of have a look, the and, you know, there was mentioned earlier on of, of tactics. And watching things from tactical aspect, whether it be football, whether it be Roby a think, NFL is this fall. Yeah I mean you mentioned having a chess game with, with, with soccer ball. I think I've always called and have them for a number of years, American football, basically, aggressive chess, the FOX, the fact that you've got the aspects the adjust. More tactical than what you have with alka. But then also, you've got the aggressive aspect that you will find in Rhode bay because of the pats the award, it's not it goes beyond being a contact sport. And it's always been to me, a collision sport because of because of the padding, that's their people can be the actual aggressive, which, you know, has it has its health problems is, I've had personally myself bow the same point. It's a matter of being able to play the game in any way that you won an just simply thinking to yourself. Right. All I need to do is move this ball, ten yards across the next four attempts. Otherwise, I give the ball over and I can do that by throwing it through the air and launching at ninety odds forward and scoring touchdowns. Are just run the ball up the middle. And until you stop me and just gain three odds every, every try is an actual requirement that everybody except for the for his an idiot and the quarterback east. It's generally. Seen that way because he has to like new talking about guys after make decisions across a, you know, quite a wide like fifty three yard wide field in the space of two and a half seconds and they have to be able to see read exactly what's going on. But it's not only within that particular plates. The quarterback is generally the person that will do that will work very closely with the offensive coordinators and coaches to game plan for teams to make sure that the on that same on that same side. And on the same page, a know what to look for in opposing defenses and even on the defensive side. You'll have you know, the defensively is that will study the offense of film before games that will know where the you know, the talent plays out, no to mock a little bit closer and it's the amount of work that I put in particularly personally is a is a coordinator over the last couple of years. His being absolutely phenomenal. Why it's pretty much a second job an I'm just. Doing it in a nominal level. An only seeing play his twice a week whereas, you know, having that contact that you would have, whether it be through college other be through NFL way, trading three five days a week depending on when you gave his and being able to repair in such a short space of time means that you've got to have that smart mentality particularly at Kuala buck and a couple of the defensive leaders because it's not always expected for everyone to be able to do. I mean, the best thing you can do is as long as you do your job right as an individual, and it's we'll go together, if you mess up. Then it will hurt the team in some way and that's gonna make yourselves. It's an incredibly nets hot game weather, number of plays all listed, because it's, it's, it's more thought. Partially due to the culture of trying to sell you at during who I appreciate the number writes, in NFL, basically, pay so they can fit. Well, the do I mean, if you do, go much games, live of the NFL, or even college ball, you will have commercial timeouts, which is literally whether wrestle go right as a break in play. We've had a Bose from ABC CBS whoever's doing arrogance commercial, which stills elongate the game out a little bit. But at the same point if you if you play, then without those commercials, it's over in half the time, which is a bit frustrating. Sometimes what the your spending time not not watching the game or not watching spent. Yeah. I mean if you go and see it live. You still got a lot of atmosphere. And I mean that's why cheerleaders and off time shows and stuff as well as keep crowd whilst they exactly I mean for this is the halftime show itself is mainly kind of like a Super Bowl aspect to get things going on June the half time in the same way that you'll have. You know crossbar challenges football. You know, there's always something going on a halftime, suppose with, with American football does kind of lend itself in the way that it is very commercialized, because America is there in these is opportunity with, with so many people watching TV that you going to sell space to ties because it's you're printing money, no matter how much you spending on these adverts. But I didn't think that the this in some ways Albright's has caused St. lend themselves increasing in a way because it creates periods where the coach all the Cormac oh, who can liaise with teams I okay we're gonna do this many. Whereas in more fluid games like what will ropy while they don't have as many rights? They have to make those decisions on the fly and use that bastion and training instead of being able to actually how periods by Interscope. Yeah. I mean you look, so those enable them to pour more complex shot series or to switch strategies. In a more organized fashion than simply trying to adopt. Exactly. I mean, the best way of looking at it when you look at the mole fluids, boats, light soccer and light ruby is the phone nut for eight percent at the time the game is, is more fluid, whether you're going through different phases at Rubio. Whether you're of all about football, the bit the coached within American football is is to look at the aspects of. Oh hang on a minute. Think about having a corner, every single play an you repeat indifferent called attack sell think of having the line out of if I'm gonna scream Navin breakdown in play is so many American football is exactly that's the best way of thinking about it. Really? Whereas rupees broken down into set play on then lane phase a multiple phases and football is almost entirely long phase with the occasional set-piece triggered exactly, whether it be a call in or free kick or throw in some cases, like the, the amount of planning that would go into say Connery teens will be say for one training. Session in the week. Whereas with American football, you'll spend some time as a positional group dealing with how about your technique and how you going to play in your position. Where is it least half of the time you spent? Right. This is what we're doing. Toxically, I do have a question as your just not standardized tackling, because there's different ways in playing the game in the same way that is not a standard way of playing offense. Right. So you really with samples. Yes. Familiar with them on the legion of. Yes. Right. So they've got this through having the best defensive stats in the league by thereby amid there amid Cobb team wasn't even. Years ago. This was the it was when they were they were pushing towards the top the top tier and they had a set of a group of five, defensive axes the position that play almost as think of it as kind of like your wingers, and fullback on centers, the Morath letting team the Morath Letsie players that would cover the more authority players, but also be really physical in the way they played, so I saw a documentary where they were they had, I think it was in English ropy coach visits and the developed a new tackling in an attempt to use cautions cushions being the real helpful can and then why? And they were like oh, you know, we, we had conclusions problem is we want to check on tackling, and then they perform decided rupees, uncle any eal, we've been doing that. Yes, you could have associates and what the simple change in tackling method. All aiming central mass than driving three lifting driving down with you. They found that it just massively increased at unsophisticated to just simply tackle all things of slamming into the hokum nothing. The differences within the is the cause have implied ruby as well. When I was younger, you, it was all about, you know, hit around the thighs and then driving a nuts where a lot of the difference would be. Because if you do just try to drive around filed level in American football. What you'll tend to find is the people will will bounce off. If you don't get any one else around a lot of ways of you watched some of the highlights as they go through from that particular year. They will they will do we ended up being called a halt Grohl tackle in his the way it's the way that the Machar. Of teens. It's all even though across even the American football coaching in the US is tall to be a role tackle, which something similar to the clip thou posted on there and give kind of the idea of not necessarily, bringing people to the ground. But slowing them down enough that you're able to get the swarm of defense, not with three guys. They're on that tackle because you. I mean, the, the difference is gives you that particular aspect to not in the role in there as well, making sure that the heads out of the way they'll show massive similarities in wrote, and it's why. Because you have to decide in order to avoid smashing your head into that in the envoy to go on exactly whereas our concussions happen with heads the knee. They tend to happen with helmets helmet. Sometimes helmet to chastise areas. You know, I mean there is a lot. There isn't a standardized, tackling method across an athlete. There is a lot of people just using Volkan and using smash it is. I mean, the way the from from a coaching aspect, if you go through the qualifications, whether it's based in the UK, or even if is based in the US now with the American coaching qualifications, which have done both does point you towards the, the role tackling keeping the head out of the way boy, those still include not necessarily, what we used to call a form, tackle, would it? Which would need you to have mobile, but also technique than the guy you coming up against vs, bulky venue for it's not always easy to perform the role tackle in certain game situations. For instance, if you've got a running back, that's running straight you. He's not just gonna run as bright as he would do Robie. What you'll tend to find with some games is that they'll run with the promote their whole weight forward to absolve the impacts into fall forwards, again, those extra few yards. And when you've got a guy who's helmet is at your waist and legs are two or three hours behind him. It's going to be difficult in order to make that particular place yardage is more important than you, you still have a territory game as you remove union lie obviously, starting you'll drive the your own five yard line is not as good as starts in the driver. You know, your own faulty five-yard-line because you're going to have less space, the school molten, it's always beneficial to have less placed less. Face ago, having where you're way. Oh, positioning is, is, is always going to be a lot, sir. A lot more important with with America as ruby on terrifies me about the NFL is the is it is so many players that go into the system into college for what sorts of big thing, such big play bass. That group is now the fastest growing sport in America and husband from the movies, and they're doing pretty well his servants of the because there's a lot of people don't make it as, as America will voice. Oh law. He and there's a log good athletes. Don't make it an increasingly looking around there who else, Kennedy remark career are still wouldn't say carn sports, and they locate roping. This seems like a similar skill set. And is growing and growing and growing, and that's great. This all of another competitive team open going will be my money America's him out. Play is America's choose from if enough people in America saw an interested movie, they critical of real real Yari white t they just need in the shorter and they last year inch. Stories. That's I the mastic will be the same. The same could be said, rarely, if you will, the, if you look at the MLS like the money that they that they could be able to throw it means the within the MLS that they should be, you know, club is are even national team wise be able to have the be able to be that, that will dominate empower. I think if they run it like they run the rest of their sports, make sure that it's incorporate in the college game what you'll tend to find is not necessarily, you know, football players of American football players have been able to make in the pro league's going blame ruby what you'll tend to find his, you know, even within colleges Stein into place. Evans is not on the same scale as what you play in. Player in the world is an American who used to be on Vic sprinter, designing stop buying will these boys, the within the club system, if they will knuckled systems like the do their other sports. You'll find the college. They'll take to invest in a little bit more. And then they'll bring the players in through from there, you know from their colleges. I watch law them, Americans reacting to be taco videos, because I think they always think it's the same kind of tackling valuable where it's maybe more rightless, unless structured because the gotten pads and helmets. They can be more violent and reckless with an always amazes me, how men seem to think that will be plays are basically site. Because they're not wearing pods by think like it's just from the injury aspects as well like Noah said before about the collisions, and things like that. I mean, nothing from from playing ropy when I was younger, there was a lot more kind of like joint aspects and things that would that would hurt like you shoulders. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of the most common injuries ligament intended damage all fractures knees would her. It's a different solve because with with with American football. It's kind of light the bench press aspects. So it's kind of your chest in your shoulders will aches, but it's not through contacts ads March. But with. Yeah, exactly. I mean I did see through play in which was a similar amount of time playing career a lot more salient injuries with American football and us all with ruby. And I don't know whether that was to do with violence of the spol- all to do with the fought the does a lot more. There was obviously a lot more qualified not qualified. I'm trying to think. A lot more experience within the coach aspects and a lot more experience when people having played it, whether it just be having, you know, picked open apart playing a pickup game. Whereas with American football particularly here, you know, there's a lot more deals with concussions. I you know, so broken legs I personally had in oth concussions made me stop playing, you know that there's a lot more kind of light. Hi implant, seems atrocious ace is a lack of adequate training and experience. Do you think maybe you'd get the same rate of injuries in America? Maybe could have the argument saying the you know, kind of in the eighties when it was starting to be played over here. Mainly probably the early nineties once the, the bake, because that was once a paid league in the UK, the fell by the wayside, even responsive by booked wiser at one point. But once that fell by the wayside any went completely I'm Jay and hot more English players rather than p. People beating poet from the US to play. There was probably time where it was probably down to the coaching, and I think a lot of the, the injuries in the mentality is from the different tackling systems. Choose that because it's the game as volved in certain way to make to China void these injuries. You'll find there's a lot less injuries nowadays outside of people doing something incorrectly on not not doing things by the that you do in them, because the coaches are getting smarter. You know, the, the coaches that have been taught reckless abandon of doing things, the will not want to adopt and continue coaching in the sport. Will learn these different techniques all to, to make sure that they're safer that play is safer rather than going to some of the things that you did. When you when you were going through at it's probably why a lot of the assistant coach, he's particularly in the US will tend to be more reason graduates, and you'll see the a lot of the positional aspects in the way that people will learn things will. Oh, come from a new away of thinking rather than thinking that the old ways the best, which obviously, isn't always agrees way of thinking about one question. I wanted 'em since you're in coaching in the UK. How popular does America because to me, it's only in American thing. I know that people must play at here. But like I have no idea of how popular is, is it a you let Davison schools, you Dane, this with people who looked pick up in, in this time, I have no idea basically. So for the loss. So I've been involved since two thousand and four was when I was first introduced to American football in the UK. No, it has grown a hell of a lot since then, in the fats of just general amounts of players are the number of different teams. The, the father of the university system is tiered and part of the book system as well now shows that has been that particular progression. Now from my personal experience over the last five years is going to be a hell of a lot different to the majority. Of coaches at different levels of the team that I coach. She's one of the is one of the top four in the UK with a bunch of titans. Having been promoted to the top league last year, they'll make it through to, to, to be there as you know, the second best team in, in the north division is something that we take is a club quite proudly. And you know, we've got a team that plays in every single facet of American football at the minute in the UK. And that's not just, you know, with me coaching fall, you know, anyone that's over the age of eighteen that just wants to pick it up and give it a go. We've also got adult flag teams which is a five aside version based on a smaller pitch way way how flags disease and, and it's a non concerts for there's a women's contact team as a women's flag team as a m you know, we haven't under nineteen team. We have three on the seventeenth teams now. As well as actually over the last two or three years, going into schools and, and having on the twelve cadet flag teams come to train from there, but also having coaches going to schools and, and not only teaching the kids, but also, you know, educate in the teachers at one try and give the flight the flag football ago as tau a teacher into how, how through the proper technique, we've just announced over the last couple of weeks believe a partnership with the not with the Jacksonville Jaguars. But with a part of the Jacksonville Jaggi was there over every. All of fortunately, I do. And it's I just wish I got the contracts that they go, I think with, you know, I think it's like Jok flag, I think is so the Jackie was in combing, Gova fall quite a while, and running a sevens told him it's seven aside flack toilet, and they've, they partnered with the with the titans because of the amount of work that we're doing around the Manchester area when it comes to go they want more people in cast it in this all. Exactly. Exactly. And it's just trying to find the link. I'm going through it. And it just the fact that it's called American football puts anyone when you're trying to recruit, like, when you're at the universities, join the American publicize America. I think I think he probably was the case when I first joined not so much now because the amount of exposure, it's getting with the game's over here in the UK. I mean Super Bowls thing. Exactly, yeah, I mean, he will miss by the way. I believe the American national teams called the patriots. The New England Patriots. So England again did they wanna get it wasn't a great spectacle of you only watch the Super Bowl every year, I would apologize fallout. If you because usually people like high scoring games. However, this was a low scoring game on died. Up -solutely thoroughly enjoyed watching it because I'm defensive guy. It was just two different ways of two different ways of looking at the game as as we said before, and it was two very very good defenses playing against each of the. Yeah. I mean as Wales on the huge huge of good defense in rookery Wales all statistically strongest defense in the world as a team that just that just could. It's not been the most prolific try-scoring for the last six seven years now they, they all defensive. And so, I can appreciate why you would appreciate that with exactly so, so how would people go about getting involved in American poll if they're interested in UK in joining try wherever you base is a team across. England, Wales -unding. Scotland, the best thing to do will be to find out where your local team is head over to double coverage which is DB. L coverage dot com and they have a, a map. That's basically that's a find your local team. And it will give you an idea as to where to get in contact. A lot of the seasons tend to run over the summer. So our preseason only started last month as is only time warm season in Sula summer season. I'm not sure your son. How? Now, fortunately, should I say a one week of some seems to lost on every Sunday when playing CDU tons in very strange places due to the kit. The after. But, but yeah, is a lot of fun. If you are going to university, get yourself along to one of the sports society. If as the majority of university is now will have American football programs, and there's a lot of money being put into those now just because of the fiber got a scholarship said Americans bowl non-american visit. Ah about out in a second. So with the with the obviously universities you comes to go up and play a lot of universities now, because of the, the fact that has books points connected to and not usually means the more people will want to conceal university has more points being put into American football each year, the top teams start into other top universities. A starting to have money involved in order to bring import players from the US. So for instance, university of Nottingham is one that I know they some of the stuff that they have with them will have the I know they used to play with will go over to the US to high schools. The, you know, when speak to play his aunt necessarily having, you know, the top division on contracts to offer them scholarships, to come over and play in the UK. I find that really depressing. I'm not giving people condemn it. Look Sherie based on what it's giving. It's giving them. Mino- pacino. It's an education when they may not have been able to afford it in the in the first place. It's not a full fully paid. Yeah. When is a limited number of university places. I do passionately believe those places should be going to condemning shootings. Not at the end of the day, they still have to pass their codex in the same way that an academic shoot 'em will do. They wouldn't be able to go and take it. D- degrade student and not just because they play football real good. They won't be able to bring those over there staunches through the Jamie Rama's pass the professional rugby by and they're very strict even in the US of making sure that the student athletes are exactly that they are students first and they need to be a minimum grade. Even when there are the high school, all when they're up the college self in order to have that scholarship is not seen as you have a scholarship there for your fine. You have to meet minimum grade boundaries in order to, to keep your scholarship, I just a very opposite, and to someone who's no pheno thorough participated in, you know, they that's us completely. We sat right skills, it says, but when you when you have both of them, and if you were to just go on an cadet level, to college the US, and you can be paying what words of fifteen to twenty thousand dollars a year. Oh, no. We're don't play is definitely take the opportunity given. I just don't get this just it's just having that aspect because because there's money involved in it, whether there's money that's being made them money has to be given out is the money in the UK teams like you do universities tend to make profits from that sports people wish to go to university and one of the aspects that they will look safe. They're a top rugby player in the youth system. The doesn't want to just go and play, there will look for university with the sports specif- your you if you want. If you've been brought up in particular, I would say, say, for instance, the on the nineteenth team with American football, one of the things that we encourage play his to do is to get involved with university football. And if they're thinking of going to university to look with all universities that have American football psi ops and it gives them the opportunity to play alongside as the university season will oversee room when turn times on that during the summer, it, it gives them the opportunity to, to, to play during the winter and come back in the summer two team and have an extra season worth of play. And how extra cheese and worth of worth of experience. So rob, what do you think about making academe IX on athletics in such way? And giving people maybe Akkad Emmett opportunities based on flexibilities I think, is a great idea. I think that a lot of time sportsman particularly within football, all of, you know, sports where the reward is potentially very high that there's pressure on them to put aside their academic pursuits in favor of the Atlantic ones. So having those tied together and be made sure that you can become an American football stop, but you do also have to, you know pass your grades you do have to be able to. Do something else with your life if something goes wrong and sports. Careers are usually very sure not everyone can make it. So, yes, I do think that it's a it's a good idea to have that DACA of an academic background alongside more th-, let seats. Okay. That's a different angle on one makes sense. Interesting. That was a there's been a series recently on freakonomics, which is very good post by connects and they've been talking about sports, and how, you know, the economic spine how sports work in the US, which is very interesting is very different to how our leagues of a hair. Oh, yeah, there's a lot more money in except the army leaders international think, is when the world simply because it so, yeah, I think that is true, but yet one of the things they had they had to interview with American football who I can't remember now but know he was talking about how he went off. He quit American go to his PHD in mathematics and then, like, now he would you know, if his son really wants to do American football, that's fine. But he would like ready recommend that he doesn't do it because of the injuries and stuff like that says that doesn't interplay between especially with, with these the collision sports involving the head. Whether is a possibility of brain injury. Then there is this kind of interplay between what comes first. Dommage Scholten going, and the other thing that's interesting is how how you all these all these players get paid a lot of money. Right. And they have all these endorsements, but actually many players don't on very good at planning for their financial future. So big thing they do, I think now in the US, they set them up with accountants and stuffing. I know you've love money. But if you spend all now you've got to, you know, you've got ten years of play may be. And then you've got thirty forty years off that, you know, who else is gonna while money, those account. I'm sure they will now that how to code coming off the back about financially aspects as well within within the NFL. They say the average NFL career is like two and a half years is very rare that you'll make like a long career out of it as part of the process of, you know, in the league from a colleague from, from college, as well as in what with accountants that actually have, you know, like a rookie week that the NFL will run that will teach them how look after the finances to tell them that they're not going to be playing these gaming fourteen fifteen years time to make sure that the amount of money that they're running. I you know, even though it might not be the most for the president's plane in that sport is a good amount of money that you'll be able to live on for the rest of your life and will an invest invested wisely. These, you know, you'll not forgetting about your education as well to go 'bout this, this is always that one percent that, that will be able to make it to the NFL, the rest of them will just make sure that they've got a bachelors degree out of it. And so we discuss this previously on the niece force episode is always a very short career is very high endings. Then resell for the new after what kind of other sports hall, I slightly altered Alistair, which will cut me talking about that. And I think maybe we should go over to another bit of ropes full-ti- here with a all's with bats. And I think we're talking about two very genteel version of Batson talking baseball Hera, which will something something that might take about five days to play. Isn't that right row? Yes. Almost entirely right? Cricket is one of my favorite secret pleasures thought we were going down a different path bit more lead. The sound of willow on leather is a wonderful thing. But yeah, no I wanted to try and explain cricket of it because I know that it's a very yeah, please. Okay, so much American listeners get ready. I'm just going to give you my pin on cricket in light two sentences long picnic with some people occasionally, get on lots of drink. I mean yet, I'm what's wrong with that would be would be my response. So like. Like how good is sport. Right. It's amazing over like ninety minutes or two hours. But imagine that over five days, right? So you get you get so much time to switch off from the world and met the sport just wash over you and you complain that you can look away from ruby vibe minutes, but it's not it's not about that. It's it's a different pace of the game. It's the only sport has meal-breaks feeling peckish don't worry. In, in a few hours, you get to stop the players get to stop as well. It's, it's, it's a wonderful thing. It's my realization technique. I think if like a movie is great, when it's like two hours two dollars. Yeah, but I'm not going to sit and watch an eight hour movie could correct. But you'll watch Lord of the rings like back to back is like twelve hours. Right. And that's a great, Deb last, because I'm a massive nerd, that's not the massive nerve. Cricket. You see. It's just the story ebbs and flows. You've got two innings for each side. You've got one team could be on top and the other one swings back, slowly, you can have period of fallen asleep just listening. Cricket. It's I understand. It's a, it's a niche thing. And it's it's an entirely different pace to every different spoil that we've talked about so far by really enjoy the mental battle the kind of the war of attrition, that there is even for you. As a spectator, watching it whichever team ones. Appropos sickly. It's, it's wonderful. You can you can watch, you know, an hour of a bowl really be on top of a batsman, or just the nature of the band thing. Always gonna guy is not it's it's you can have fantastic. Periods of play the game that can turn on a dime. So quickly. You can go from watching a team nor thing changes quickly in a game that takes five days. Okay. So you're thinking about cricket is, you're thinking, just a batsman just out there for two hours, just accumulating fifty runs and not much happening. But you could theoretically lose a game of cricket within ten bowls. Right. Okay. There was a game in the ashes in twenty fifty. I think and it's a morning that I will never forget that work. Australia were into bath and England took a wicket and all that. That's great. Oh, that's, that's a good start. And then tools later, we took another wicket, and we just kept on taking wickets through the morning until in about like under a hundred bowls Australia will all out the best cricket team in the world, and we just thrashed them. And when that happens is an amazing feeling annot that it sounds bizarre. That it's we'll we'll just celebrating something's finally happened in gray if you. Bolted a hours of sitting on that. You, you get the payoff, you get, you know, for all that time and effort, you've put in full that time you've invested in the boring games. You finally get the one where everything happens. And it's Massey now all you're doing is reminding me of the time that I watched try going, the animated right where I got through the first it gets really Gordon second off, and I was like I was like this show was really, really shit. More us off the second off and I thought, well, the first off is ten I was long waist ten. The breaking out of sports, right? Okay. The first season of breaking bodies, Bob. But then it gets incredible towards the end, and it's, it's kind of, it's how much time you put into it, and what you get out of it. I think is, is wet. Cricket is at its strongest pulling any time into it yourself that passive Li like consuming it in dribs and droughts heaping. You actively riveted like a ninety minutes, all your riveted ninety minutes, you know, because that is to halls, the flea about the spun of average human attentions say, you've gotta haul attention tech right off tension. You riveted you're excited, you'll tends for mouth tying and then it's cathartic release, or quick on the so long. You can't possibly pay attention to all that. You're gonna miss a whole on shit if anything happens at all. I just, like how also gauging as I've been so many people who really site cricket on just, I'm just that you need. Like I even understand the scoring. It's like any sport where you need an investment in one side? Okay. You kind of you kind of get into it. If you'll know invested in one side of the other I find it really hard to watch a friendly game of cricket because it is so slow as a sport. And I watched every six nations game by not yet because you find because rugby's a different pace of the game. Yeah. Foot. Cricket mean I don't have to be invested. You will you watch the skill. You're better person than me, 'cause I always if ame- it's always about the narrative is always about the story that's being created, and the, the personal rivalries. Oh, you should just. You should just completely in Washington. W w before you want is a soap opera just watch something that tends to that's the problem. With WWE is it it's all predetermined elsewhere. It's, you know, you can watch a great film. Right. But then you go again you watch again. You know what's going to happen in sport? You never know what's going to happen in cricket. The next week assignment could be just around the corner. It could be into I was time. So I just three. Could you imagine like just just human my analogy right to go back to the Letheren and the bounce? You know, you'll with your wife, which will come out that she, she might or Gaza in five minutes, she might orgasm in three days, who know. Okay. Right. Let me tell you about sting and the tantric orgasm having. Having three hours. And I think sting's wife was very pleased with that, you know, and as a fax things wife was a great fan of test cricket as well. So I think those. Perfectly. Yeah. Now, the thing is, though, with cricket as well. The thing that I think, pigs, a lot of people's interest is even the show version of the games is getting such great attention. Like I know ruby has seven series, but you won't find fun. You know crowds of twenty thousand people watching sevens with the same figure that you would do watching the IP L all the big bash league. There is no vigorous. Cricket herald, people have nobody has bigger bigger is not a is what some of the IPO what some of the Indian Premier League games all the big bash games. And you'll you'll you'll see a lot of investment and excitement in everything that's going on. No Arbor, ninety. It's, it's incredible. Honestly, if you go and see it live the best thing about twenty twenty cricket is the fans tried to consume the same amount of beer that they would do over find. They are fun for that reason. Yes. I think I have agreed. I cover evergreen on AB then this can be agreeing on the thing I have agreed to let rotate me long to a cricket game on. Hall so make make twin game. There's gonna be there's gonna be there's gonna be sandwiches as going to be Pim's. I mean at much like tennis, which are about to get to soy pose with racket. Could he possibly could could you possibly be more of a middle class? I mean. No. But the whole point of guide to cricket game. Right. The call the they call, spin bowlers believe y'all got, like chop hot. The off, great say, Mr. be the gentlemen, ROY masters to come on. I think actually a low of the cricket fans obey bit bemused. But I'd, I'd be that he's quite fun. You bundle Ailey. It'd be fine. I just it like it's like saying that. Oh, yeah. Waiting three days for the payoff makes it worth. It is like saying off in waiting in this restaurant for my order three days like, yeah I'm gonna be. I'm gonna I'm gonna delighted when the future is going to be off three days or using that state has been aged for three days. That's what you've gotta think of okay? When arrives on. No, it's been left in the Cova. No noise use cry at room temperature and his. Aged and matured. It's like a fine wine. You've got to appreciate the skill and f that's got into that three when you leave why it. Right. And vinegar goes on solid, which is just. But Mike Shanahan heavy protein a motive. I'm on the worst. My personal train is on the full meals. A day involves ags lentils, each host impro- solid, right? Oh, I've missed a man of Shikin and rice the my first nail with an honor, then mints and potatoes than fish, new 'tatoes, and Sal, I am at no point is anything, not dry as for because his core is, I don't have time to formulas in walnut, wood us fair. Suck up with botch cooked dry on food consists of carbohydrates proteins, and oppressive just like give me something with hurts it. If you're basing your day around meals, Massachusetts cricket game. With mill breaks. To be fair, you could have on before the game. Then you've got low she have to and then you can have enough to the game. Like you've got. Did he? Rage quit might. I am. I've no. All right. Could just watch a game between each meal, yet that's fine. If you like fast food, if you know, if you like, you know, quick and easy snacks. That's fine. But I'm talking about the loan amount roast roast dinner of the game. That is cricket. Wow. Well, they died does highlighted in is quite nice is incredibly blunt the every the cuisine. I don't know chicken, and rice and then fishing, new potatoes without not cuisine. It's just point. I got to eat cuisine once a week, okay, I'll get food once week the rest of it is prescribed. I'm convinced my personal trailer secretly hates me himself and the entire world. I think we will move on from the, the contentious category academy. Get contentious topic as, as Bod is formula war on a like formula. One. So do I. Because he's out in a out there, a, you know, eighteenth century. He needs needs something that's slow paced my job. My sister, low new one has obsessive calls on. I'm just like I can only imagine how awful, it would be taught life MU Munich missing the point Unum. You have to be massive Val colleagues to enjoy these swats 'cause they lost so low, right note. Okay. Note, you'll you'll gangs vomit. Nobody enjoys these false. They have to drink copious amounts just Neo is just an excuse to drink precisely like you're gonna get you're gonna get frowned upon you to put the put nine o'clock and don't leave till five by veto. We just call that being. If you turn up if you turned up a creek, you much toll K 'cause you're sporting event, and it's, it's entirely new poll. It's just. I just can't even get ahead on boring is. Hi Tom here. This is one big bumper sewed. So I decided, I would just cut it here and you'll get the second Paul in a week or so. When I've got round to sing it. So he's taken to edit and apologies to outguessed, Dave for the time thing, we're probably looking to do short trips oats in future, with planning so that I can actually get round to finishing editing them. Hope you enjoyed this, and hopefully in the second half, they'll convince me to enjoy some sports fooled by.

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New wheat varieties for the changing climate

The Science Show

05:59 min | 1 year ago

New wheat varieties for the changing climate

"And here's young man compared to me anyway, he came in with a busted on from the Trobe university to talk about flowering, which previously, we've described on the sign show as being timed by cold winters van Liz, Asian, it's called. But one of climate change, what if it makes the timing go Ori, here's James Hunt? So what ventilation concern as to crop plants, like, wait, is the requirement that they must experience a winter before they will flower. So what this gives them is a very stable, flaring time. So you can so them. Start their loss sokoll I've very broad range of dates, but it doesn't matter that you do this, because until they experienced that winter they weren't flower. This is in contrast to what we call spring wheats, which do not have ventilation requirement and early so them the early, they will flare. So if you saw them too early though, flair too early and be damaged. Frost, or why radiation or whatever of the stresses the ventilation, essentially evolved to avoid why didn't you just choose spring, wheat and leave it at that? Well, that's what a strategy is done basically, for the last one hundred plus years. So when Europeans first came to a stray, they bought with them winter weights from the United Kingdom. So obviously, the United Kingdom has very temperate mild wet growing environment. So the weights there were flaring in the middle of summer, and that's how you'd maximize yield, but in a strategy, we have obviously, a hot dryer climate and in order to maximize yield you need to coincide, the critical period for yield development with conditions. Most optimal for growth with happens in springs, we need air to flare in spring, and that's where William Farah, who some older people may remember from the two dollar note, he bred a spring wheat from UK winter weights and crossed in Indian spring, weights that was very well adapted to a stray and conditions. If you it in. My June after the autumn break, it would progress through its law sokoll fast enough to flare at the right time for yields to be as much higher than the European win tweets. And that's what allowed wait production to move into the modern day week belt. So why are you working on the problem that may be caused by climate change one and we just stick to spring, wheat? And that's the end of it. Well, the issue is spring. Wheats is flaring time is very unstable. So in order to get them to flare at the right time to maximize yield, which is a very narrow window only about ten days or two weeks, you have to show them exactly the right time, which is about sometime between Anzac Day, and the tenth of my in most of Estrada, so you've only got these very narrow window to get them germinated and developing the issue with climate change in Australia has been a decline in autumn rainfall, particularly in April. In my rainfall, which is really tricky for farmers to establish their crops, exactly in that. Very sensitive selling in the spring weights have so the good thing about winter weeds is that instead of having a two week window in which he can establish them. They've got about a two month window so you can show them way back in February even rather than in my now, still flare at the right time. Because until they experienced that winter, they went flour, and one of you been doing to get round this problem. So we used experimental lines of weight that have had different development Jane's, crossed into them. So in terms of yield potential. They highly quivalent. There's no other genetic baggage, they just defer in how they respond in this case to ventilation. So we with a lot of collaborators obviously from SIA, sorrow, and people around the stray planted them in a lot of field trials at a lot of different times of sewing, and we looked at hair, the yield of these winter cultivars with ventilation requirement compared to the spring weights and we found that the winter cultivars could mind tiny elder in some. Mm cases, had a small yield advantage over the spring whites signing their Optima window. So it gives pharma's a lot more flexibility because they've got a much water range of time too so over so the chance of getting a rightful to establish crops on his greater. And so it was a yield advantage. And this sort of technique must be tremendously valuable also in other countries, which are suffering the similar sorts of uncertainty is whether, yes, probably it has application in places like North Africa and the Middle East, but we can learn from environments, and Papp's other environments, can lend from us, and James, if you've been talking to farmers directly. Absolutely. So this is kind of almost a bit anti climactic actually have the pipe published because we've been talking to farmers about this research, directly potentials, well, and truly out there with farmers, and giving it a go. Wait breeders, tempting to breed, some of these cultivars, because they haven't really existed in astray before things are starting to happen, but we'll be sometime before they're on the case. They're talking to your cooperating. Yeah. Abs-. Absolutely. They can see the value in there. They're giving it a go. So we're hoping for the best is anyone calculated. What's the possible benefits might bantams of productivity? Yes, we calculated the benefits using crop simulation to look at what it would mean on a whole farm sewing program and the number you come up with these is very hard to bed. An additional seven point one million tons of weight in Estrada. So represents about twenty percent of annual production. If you had a call that could do this and roll grow is planted it, when they got the opportunity, and that have to supply additional nitrogen fertilizer, as well to allow the extra you'll potential, so there's a lot of ifs and buts. But the potential upside is very large James hunters, associate professor at the tube university in Melbourne with more excitement in the field producing potentially a substantial increase in production and dodging, the effects of climate.

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Soap - The Key To Building Hotel Brand Loyalty? #1002

Inside the Spa Business | Spa

00:00 sec | 2 months ago

Soap - The Key To Building Hotel Brand Loyalty? #1002

"COULD SARP hold the key to unlocking hotel brand loyalty. got a great idea for how hotels can continue building brand loyalty even whilst they guest on able to travel to stay with them. Send them a bar soap. And I'm not even joking as you know I used to travel quite a bit before this covid nineteen. On every six months of the year, it'd be on the road and I'm lucky that a lot of those times was staying Nice hotels and so whatever I stayed in a nice hotel and came across an ice bar or so nick I took a with. And as a result of that, I had a great collection of soaps at home I can't remember the last time. I actually had the by soap for my house. In fact, even if I was traveling and I knew I was staying in a not so nice hotel I'll take one of the nice spas of site that I had at home and take that with me just to sort of pretend that I was staying in a nice hotel. So I guess I'll become a bit of a soap, but because I haven't been traveling for the last six months. The other day. I'd run out of sight. So I had to go by a bar soap at the supermarket. I hate it. And it made me think about all those little buys asleep sitting in hotel storerooms, housekeeping storms all over the world not being used now I know they're not necessarily going to expire anytime soon. But think about the message, it would send me if a hotel semi nice little packet of two or three of the soaps. The imagine the impact that would make a little note from the housekeeper all from the the general manager or somebody. Now I understand that we're trying to move towards sokoll reusing trying to get away from single use packaging bought a lot of hotels still undoing doing it, and whilst we're not doing it, why don't make the most out of it from a marketing perspective? Why don't get a little bit of mocking value and brand loyalty value added? So if you are in The luxury hotel game particularly, and if you've got those nice little soaps, I would be going back through your database of guests, your regular repeat guests and see what it's GonNa. Cost you to realistically send Bauer to soap with a nice little night to the guest and saying missing you wish you were here can't wait to see you back. I actually think it would have a massive impact much better than promotional deals much better than advertising much better than any social media campaign. You can think of go directly to the gifts that you know love the brand build that brand loyalty while they're staying at home. I think it's actually a pretty good idea what he reckon do let me on the comments below I do thank you for your time and we'll be back again tomorrow. The.

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RBA August 2019 - Should you be FIXING your Rate?

The Property Couch

18:10 min | 1 year ago

RBA August 2019 - Should you be FIXING your Rate?

"Got in the low in the reserve board met and i can't cash right on hold at one percent now. That's obviously on the back of two to write cuts that we saw in june and july which took the cash right down to one percent so the consensus that we needed to say some time to see what impact those two particular right cuts have had in terms of confidence cinnamon and what's going to fly through to an actual numbers but also so don't forget we had the texts stimulus. That's also been putting their so more on that because we do believe that the cash right coud go as low as half of one one percent as early as february next year. It's all talk more about that. <hes> as we go through this presentation then we in terms of globally i wanna start. It's globally now. Obviously the biggest guy in town at the moment has been the trade tensions between the u._s. and china and trying to get wrought well. There's obviously lots of gamesmanship that he's going on in that spice and and that is definitely affecting global tensions around confidence also so in sentiment in the broad economic story around the globe and that's laid to obviously some revisions in terms of global growth across not only obviously the u._s. and china but also i wrote across most developed nations now that also led <hes> the reserve in the u._s. to cot so after totting sokoll they actually caught the cash writes <hes> down by twenty five basis points last week and so they obtained now is two point two two two point two five percent saint so what was interesting about jeroen palace commentary there which woes we most commentators wanted to say more dovish commentary around further corrections in monetary policy <hes> but the reality has been that powell bicycling surprised the mock a little bit by soda sign. It was a a bit of an insurance policy cut not necessarily a sign of ide- a correction sokoll easing sokoll that did surprise the market now. He did also clarify that it might be they might be one more to come but i thought most people were thinking that the guy who say the u._s. cash right draw even even more substantially so one. That's about confidence in terms of how well the u._s. Economy's performing but you know a guy in it's an insurance policy really about what's happening in terms of the global tried and how that's affecting sentiment now. We've seen the you know the u._s. Equity markets performing very very strongly on the back of that aging and i'll talk more about the australian equities market lighter but that is obviously one of the big news stories that that's not going away anytime soon. The other is bricks at so we now have the new prime minister of the united kingdom in boris johnson and what has been interesting about boris johnson is that he signed nine hell or high water come thirty first of october we exiting the european union so he's saying deal or no deal which which could lead to obviously a lot of brinkmanship up until that point <hes> but he's telling he's people <hes> that easy it's so they may not be a deal <hes> and that's interesting because what's going to happen to auckland <hes> because i wanted effectively <hes> backdoor stop for all and well this could the early it's illegal but you know the united kingdom <hes> be around. We'll we'll be back to britain and different parts of the united kingdom set a lot supply eh politics in united kingdom and that uncertainty also impacts economic activity and investment and that's what we need in terms of growing the global economy and finally <hes> we've also seen the developing story in hong kong implying that i've last month in terms of the democratic protests going on over there and protests are continuing and so you know hopefully china doesn't use a heavy hand with ours probably test is because there's a guy in some strong forced strong arm tactics is also gonna have caused some tensions around what that means for hong kong being a financial hub and what's going to happen in you know in terms of that market so china please. You're not cape you paddle draw. I don't do anything silly. <hes> in regards that global tensions tensions are obviously problematic in terms of global growth. Let's swing our attentions back here to the australian market and what he's very clear and i'll continue to kate repeating hating this for those who haven't really the penny has dropped is it's very clear. The diabe are going after lo a lot. The live market now now. They're going after a loa on employment right in the view. They need the unemployment rate. At four point. Five percent now four point five percent dia believe he's going to be trigge for high wage growth so wages growth and sustainable wijers growth. We saw what happened in the u._s. With their unemployment right down to as low as four percent we have saying why gross dot to materialize during that time but under the gig economy it's getting hotter and hotter so the i. Going after that number so that doesn't mean that they're worried about the broader economy that's certainly locked it growing stronger and that's certainly long to to say the government of the diving the liberal government doing more in terms of fiscal policy but we know the politics industry right. Now is the liberal party a going after their surplus. They want that surplus in terms of the financial year so on i think we'll say any fiscal school stimulus until i hit that surplus and if i hit that surplus they move say in the next budget probably some more fiscal stimulus to support the monarchy the monetary policy easing. That's going on body r._b._i. Now so that is a big story so in terms of inflation will get some of those numbers so you know going. We know that low unemployment right means also that if we do get why we normally see that flow through to inflation now there wasn't important speech by by governor lo a lot this past month which did talk about why they want to continue to cape the two to three percent target haga range in terms of their forecasting their mandate i believe in terms of that would maintain the credibility and that would also mean that they could anchor their decision making around that two to three percent soy and in broad terms if the economy's growing and inflation is going through to three percent usually usually the economy's doing well and that means better employment and better living conditions for those people in efan country so coming back to inflation data that was released for the june quarter we saw point six percent increase which was harder than market expectations of a point five increase that took the annual right of inflation to one point six percent for the june quarter annualized now some big numbers in there really when you started thinking about it was sort of three big things apply that feel opt-in point two percent medical was also harder than expected and the australian dollar assignment that we had <hes> international travel inflation so that was the main trick is but the i'm the lawing inflation is still very very soft and a guy. That's why the i b. I need to do something something about that. Now we talk about the live market. Let's look at the numbers for the past month. Unemployment right was pretty much flat. At five point two percents <hes> we only grew new job spot followed hundred now we had some strong jobs growth over the past three or four months so it's still not a good number and that would be concerning for the in regards to that job ed's which was a positive rose by aw four point six percent but we've got to remember the the my jaw bads was down significantly so that was a bit of a recovery of what was i pol number their business confidence so it's moving through inflation. We've obviously then talked about alive and market and business confidence. This is the one in terms of remember a lot. What are the starter is lagged data. So some of these confidence things is also about leading leading indicators as well so positive story here in terms of business confidence win from a negative one in the march quarter to a plus seeks in the june quarter. Now that means that broadly speaking people are feeling a little more confident post-election in the business audit that still doesn't mean that <hes> al that confidence is actually materializing into activity and so that is something that we just need to keep an eye on but the sheep is hopefully tuning in the right direction and gathering steam in terms of credit growth <hes> this is a guy and some fascinating numbers around credit what credit means is people have got confidence and they're investing so housing credit growth in june was up plus point. Two of one percent businesses resignedly up point one of one percent side. That's still not where it needs to be and personal. No credit growth was actually negative point two of one percent so any laws credit growth is sitting at three point three percent which is the slowest pice since september of two thousand and thirteen so let me here. I'll tell you the story credit growth peaked in this current sokoll at six point six percent in two thousand and fifteen in two thousand and sixteen dropped to five point six percent in two thousand and seven eight hundred drop to four point eight percent in two thousand and eight eight had dropped to four point three percent and i'll just read out what the current right which is three point three percent which is the lowest since september of two two thousand and thirteen. We you know a guy. Let's you know they are lagging indicators but ultimately if business confidence is moving and saint improving hopefully flee that will see us gathering some momentum in terms of the housing markets. <hes> you know we have seen a significant decline in terms of medium and high density construction. That's all in terms of new forward. Bookings of iran's sixty percents high-density is definitely on the nose at the positive news story for housing was co logics dwelling processing dicks was released and we did say in terms of the july result for the capital city saw a modest zero point one one of one percent growth story so that means with effectively bottom debt and that's putting the best rating since august of two thousand seventeen now that's on the back of obviously couple right cuts an election result which was probably more pro property when now saying opera mike and the easing in terms of the macroprudential interference in the marketplace so borrowing pow shooting prove <hes> so we really do you think that we're probably calling the bottom of the market over the course of this <hes> july august september period which was effectively. What i i will sign <hes> a post-election that i do think that we bought him out in that sort of august september periods. That's positive news for us. We turn our attention now to the consumer so a consumer sentiment. This was a little bit of a disappointing result to be honest with you on that fell from one hundred point seven in june two ninety six point five august july and so alternately locked to see <hes> that bounce a little bit now that most people are starting to get access to their thousand ninety dollars for the low and middle income earners so i think that's an important story <hes> the retail spending and i think this is why the the right on hauled today and also why suspect that september will probably be a hold up now voice saying unemployment figure that he's surprising on on the dance on the negative then i might pull the trigger as early as next month for another twenty five isis points but my view along with most controversies that'll probably be october or november before we see further easing. I'm to get the economy moving quick so retail spending <hes> this was a <unk> of effectively a flat result <hes> so it's lag so it's not the lightest months so it's still my daughter in terms of retail spinning so takes him a little bit longer go to crunch the numbers so in my was plus point point one of one percent now that was after a decline in april where it was a negative point one one of one percent full annualize. We're looking at two point four percent which is the weakest since january all twenty eighteen so more work to be done there that is one of those indicators that are locked to say improving the problem is it's a lagging indicator so that's why it takes a while to say that positive numbers numbers fly through <hes> in regards to <hes> some other hall lots the equity markets will naturally what we are saying here in the australian equity markets. We've he'd at the highest point in eleven years. We've reached a record high and and this is going back before the <hes> the g._m._c. which was where i was at last recalled hard for the six two hundred and that happened last week now. Why is that having th really simple okay so the cost of money goes down so deposits can't get a good return in keeping their money in the bank so they've got to look for better places to put that money where they are going to get a better return them literally nothing in an in an act coal savings account all less than one to two. It's not not worthy whereas could potentially in the equity markets obviously get some dividends distributions those types of things as well as some proscribed so the cost of money guys down asset values go up which means that share prices are usually revalued so we offering a flow of capital into the equity markets with the view that interest rates are going to stay low off along and again to cape deteriorating so we might say this particular run in the stock market continue on for some time and until we have some clarity around what's happening in the broader economy in terms of closing out <hes> this month's message i want to i want to talk about <hes>. You know the borrowing rolling side of the story so there's still a lot of attractive fixed rights starting to be promoted by the banks at the moment mob you a nice fixed rights who's steer clear clear of them. <hes> nine eight to fix your rights variable rights are going to be you'll better coal at the moment if the rights are going to continue to cape folding so you know we talked about a potential right which will be another twenty five basis points in. I'll tell you about and even food that <hes> that could happen. I've been in february of next year which will bring the cash right down to one percent while is the case will a guy in if the if the federal government isn't going to do anything around fiscal stimulus unfortunately the is going to be doing. Most of the heavy lifting now probably crosses improving. We're not going to say ron probably process on anything. We're going to say a huge bounce in probably process what we will say that in some of the bidders which have probably had more volatility those processes will probably bounce back really quickly but in terms of the broader property amok around australia <hes> we'll probably say more steady and sustainable process growth as opposed to rapidly increasing probably processes which we saw in the earlier part of this easing sokoll my messages back to you with fixed rights. I would only be fixing right if you have uncertainty around your financial position and <hes> but i'll be taking advantage of the variable right. That's not decided. The land is going to pass on the full right reduction. I'm from cash right. That's not going to happen. <hes> you know there is just still going to keep some module for profitability so even though the cash right might might fall another fifty he basis points <hes> we my only say the land is passing on as little as sort of twenty five to thirty five basis points of that and i know that doesn't sound right <hes> but ultimately they've also got to consider deposit his i mean tens of had that rising money and also keep their margins of profitability <hes> cape them strong and viable so yeah interesting tom ahead. We'll definitely have to wait and see what comes out of the unemployment data. That's how big indicator in terms of where we'll say right cutting timbo or whether we're going to be winding told title nine then thanks for watching this mom's update. I'm all speak to you next month. Hi there bryan told why he before you go. 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