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Ruth Snyder Pt. 2

Crimes of Passion

45:57 min | 10 months ago

Ruth Snyder Pt. 2

"Due to the graphic nature of these crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of violence that some people may find offensive. Lee advise extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen nine year old Lorraine Gene Snyder opened her eyes and groggily rolled over in her bed. She could tell by the light streaming through her window that it was well past on. She had stayed up so late the night before. All she wanted to do was slip back into sleep but before she could. She heard a muffled noise place outside her bedroom. Her mother's plaintive voice calling her lorraine hurried out of bed and opened the door to find her mother ruth sprawled on the floor a not formed in Lorraine stomach. She knew immediately that something was horribly wrong. She rushed to her mother's side and spotted a cord wrapped loosely around roots ankles. She reached out to tug on it but ruth pushed her hands away and I told her to go call their neighbor for help lorraine heard the panic in roots voice and it terrified her. Why was her mother lying on the floor? Why was she tied up? But Ruth stopped her in a shrill quavering voice ruth ordered the rain to run to the phone immediately this time lorraine obeyed. She called their neighbor and asked her to come over as soon as she could good as lorraine hung up the phone she thought of one final unnerving question. Where was her a father? I I'm leaning hops and this this crimes of passion a podcast. Original the legal definition of a crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion. Leaving no oh time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore how passionate relationships sometimes lead us to criminal activity out. How does a husband and wife become killer and victim or killer and co-conspirator if there's a thin line between love and hate what manipulates manipulates our relationships into deadly results? You can find episodes of crimes of passion and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Hi or wherever you listen to podcasts. To stream crimes of passion for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type crimes of passion in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter order at podcast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening? It really does help last week. We explored the unhappy marriage of Ruth and Albert Snyder. They were together for over ten years. But after Ruth's started an affair affair with a man named Judd Gray she started looking for a way to leave her husband. She took out a life insurance policy on Albert in nineteen twenty five. You've and she began working out a plan to kill her husband and collect the money. This week we'll talk about how her scheme played out and the public lick spectacle that followed on the night of March Nineteenth Nineteen twenty seven Albert and Ruth. Snyder took their nine year old daughter Lorraine to a party at their neighbors. House in Queens Leans Village New York there. Thirty two year old ruth played forty-five-year-old Albert with drinks for hours. Meanwhile Roots Lover Judd Gray. A secretly left a hotel in Syracuse. Where he was staying on a business trip he took the train into New York? Entered the ciders house and waited needed and the spare bedroom until they returned. The Snyder's came home around two o'clock in the morning ruth put lorraine to bed then while Albert undressed she snuck down the hall to see Judd after confirming that he had stuck to the plan. Ruth went back to the bedroom. Got Undressed and trusted by Albert side. When she was certain that he'd fallen asleep she returned to the spare bedroom to get judd ruthless? Ruthless Judd from the bedroom turned and asked him to which gray replied I think I can. Judd had brought a pot of chloroform and some rags along with a window sash way. T- purchased a few weeks before specifically for the deed. Ruthin Judd crept crept back into the master bedroom where Albert Lee Sleeping Judd moves slowly to the the side of the bed then smashed. Albert's goal with a Sash weight incredibly the blow did not kill Albert instead dead. He woke up leapt from the bed. Grab Judd by the tie and began to throttle him. Judge dropped the window sash weight. In Shock Ruth quickly picked it up and struck her husband until he let go of her lover at some point. Albert was incapacitated heated. Judd said he had forgotten all about the chloroform but ruth must've applied it to Albert's face finally finally Albert lay still ruth recalled the murder differently. She claimed that she changed her mind. About Killing Albert at the last second and try to talk judd out of it. In the middle of their argument she stopped to use the toilet while she was in the bathroom room. She heard a thud and raced into the master bedroom to discover. Judd had smashed Albert over the head with the Sash weight either way. Hey Albert Snyder lay dead in his bedroom afterward. Judd and Ruth Shaken by the killing sat on the stairs. Together routes slumped against the wall by the stairs. The job was done on. It was messy and horrifying but finished. Now there was blood everywhere on her nightgown and robe judge shirt. It was ghastly. Ruth looked over at her lover. He seems stunned. He was holding a bottle of whisky taking long pulls from it with shaking hands. She wouldn't have minded drinker sell. It might study her but suddenly the thought occurred to her. That settled her nerves even more than a drink. She would never have to worry about money again. Albert was is dead and she'd be paid a Fortune Ruth's expressions listed into a grim smirk. It didn't matter if she had to clean up buckets buckets of blood. Who cared about the gruesome details? She was free and soon she'd be rich when the Milkman stopped by the house around four thirty in the morning John Ruth were still sitting on the steps. They realized it would soon be done and they had to confront the reality of what they done. John Ruth decided to cover up their crime by making it look like a robbery very con- bad though. Their official accounts differ at this point. It's generally thought that Judd used towels to tie up. Albert's arms and legs while Ruth retrieved retrieved. Albert's gun she said on the floor next to the bed so with look like Albert had attempted to shoot the intruders then Jut in Ruth. Breath ransacked the house the overturned furniture toss couch cushions on the floor and knocked down shelves. Ruth took several pieces of jewelry story three rings and a silver pen and hid them under a mattress and one point though he claimed that ruth must have done this part. Judd apparently worried whether Albert was really dead. He went back to the bathroom and tightened a length of picture. Wire around. Albert's neck like a garrote afterward. He was certain Albert was gone. Ruthin Judd next turn their sights on the evidence linking them to the crime. They burn their bloodstained clothing. And Ruth gave Judd one of Albert's shirts to wear then. They hit the window sash weight in a toolbox in the seller. Finally Ruth Ashley Judd striker over the head to make it seem as if she had been attacked as well. Judge refused to hit her but he did tie uproots ankles with clothesline. Before leaving the House John wanted to return to Syracuse. Ask quickly as possible. He'd hoped that his business trip would provide him with an alibi for that to work he had to make it look like he had never left his hotel hotel. He took a bus to Jamaica subway station in Queens but discover the trains wouldn't be running until eight. AM instead he. He took a taxi to Manhattan's Grand Central Station where he boarded the morning train to upstate. New York back. The Snyder House Ruth Lee on the ground waiting to be discovered but after a while she grew tired of waiting she called out to her daughter Lorraine and asked the girl to phone their neighbor. You're lorraine told her. Come over to our house. Quick Mama is very sick when the NIEBUHR arrived she found ruth lying on the landing of the stairs. Ruth told her she had been unconscious for at least the past five hours claiming she'd received received blow to the head. The neighbor called over her husband. Who searched the house he discovered? Albert's body almost immediately and call the police. It's just after eight. Am Detectives arrived at the scene along with an ambulance and Dr. The physician examined Ruth but he he could find no evidence that she had been hit over the head or knocked unconscious. The detectives questioned ruth closely. She told them truthfully that the family had gone to a bridge party the night before. She said her husband drink a great deal and had fallen asleep immediately after the party. Ruth then claim that she'd heard a noise downstairs when she went to investigate a dark-haired man stepped out of the shadows and hit her over the head roots said the man looked Italian as proof she produced grabs of an Italian language newspaper claiming the intruder had left them in the house. In the first few decades of the twentieth century xenophobic sentiment against Italian immigrants and descendants was extreme mm-hmm the United States Immigration Commission even released a report in nineteen eleven stating certain kinds of criminality are inherent in the Italian race. He's in the popular mind. Crimes of personal violence robbery blackmail and extortion are peculiar to the people of Italy. Ruth thought that she might gain sympathy by pinning her husband's murder on Italian immigrants. Before I continue with Ruth Psychology. Please note I am not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but I have done a lot of research for the show. Ruth's plan fit in with a long history story of racial hoaxes. In which white women have falsely accused members of a marginalized group of a crime. A famous case occurred in nineteen ninety four when a white white woman Susan Smith murdered her children and then invented a fictitious black man whom she accused of carjacking her and kidnapping her children legal scholar. Katheryn Russell Brown identified as many as sixty seven similar cases between nineteen eighty-seven and nineteen ninety-six ex- in her study Russell found that in a number of cases the hoax was created with great attention to detail. Sometimes bordering on a malevolent level and fantasy roots. Fantasy may have been about getting attention as much as it was about. Her husband's insurance payout Bonnie Jacobson psychologist and director of the New York Institute for Psychological Change in New York. City said that people who fake crimes seek seek the attention they get by playing victim. Jacobson drew comparisons between their motivations and people with Munchausen Syndrome who fake severe illness to get sympathy from loved ones. Whatever her motivations route described her attacker police as a swarthy man with a black mustache but despite despite her vivid detail? Detectives were skeptical. She had no injuries suggesting a blow to the head. Her ankles had been tied together but but not her wrist leading police to wonder why she hadn't simply untied herself. Detectives also noticed that there was no sign of forced entry on top of that. The ransacked house raised even more suspicions. A professional thief wouldn't have wasted time throwing around couch cushions and emptying gene kitchen. Cupboards were no valuables. Were likely to be found. The whole thing look staged a detective have told Ruth outright that he didn't believe her house had been burglarized to which ruth responded. What do you mean how could you tell he replied we see a lot of burglaries? They are not done this way. The polices subsequent search of the House confirmed the detective suspicions. They found the jewelry. Ruth had hidden under the mattress. Clearly no one had stolen them. Ruth's robbery story was falling falling apart. Authorities also found other items in their search that peak their interest including several cancelled checks to an insurance company. When they questioned ruth about her husband's insurance she lied telling them that he only had a one thousand dollar policy neglecting to mention the fifty thousand in dollar policy with a double indemnity clause she taken out the previous year? Detectives also found cancelled checks. Ruth had made out to judge gray. Ruth was evasive and tried to change the subject. When police asked her who he was officers? Spent the whole day interrogating Ruth in her house. They also so spoke to several of her neighbors who mentioned that Ruth and Albert often argued and that ruth frequently stayed out late into the night by five PM. mm-hmm they had enough suspicions to bring Ruth to the Jamaica police precinct at the precinct questioning continued for several more hours. Despite the detectives open disbelief. Roots stuck to her robbery story. The Detectives Confronted Ruth with her neighbors allegations that she often stayed out late at night. Ruth admitted to this but claimed it was because she spent a lot of time with her cousin. Ethel Anderson Anderson Detectives discovered that cousin. Ethel was married to a police patrolman in the Bronx. They called the patrolman to the Jamaica precinct and asked him what he knew about Route Snyder. They wanted to know who she was. Friendly with. The patrolman recalled seeing ruth with one man in particular Shakier Judd. Gray one of the detectives lieutenant. Michael McDermott wrote the name down on a piece of paper at around and one thirty in the morning the lieutenant returned to Ruth. He held out the piece of paper and asked her. Is that the man who killed your husband to which Ruth replied he. Did it coming up route snyder. And Judd Gray turn against each other as their case becomes tabloid sensation. Hi It's lean me. I can't wait for you to check out our cast newest series. It's called secret societies. And you can hear it every Thursday starting right now. Secret societies ladies. lets you discover the seems rituals and parties. You were never supposed to know about ready to hear more here host Greg and Vanessa to fill you in thank you so much. They've been around for thousands of years orchestrating. Some of history's most controversial events. And if not for their radical actions you may never have known they existed. 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The when police arrived the next morning and questioned ruth. Her story quickly unraveled by Monday morning. She had confessed naming thirty four year. Old Judd as the murderer route also told police where to find him he had taken the train to Syracuse New York. Shortly after the murder when Judd reached syracuse he immediately met with a friend had in gray. I told him that he had gone to Roots House in Queens village but while he was there to robbers broke into the house jude claimed he hit while the robbers attacked hacked ruth and her husband when he emerged from his hiding place. He found the house empty. Except for. Albert's dead body. He fled the home home fearing he'd be blamed for the murder. Had An apparently bought the story and vowed to keep judd secret he then invited Judd to his home for dinner. The men had several drinks and spend the evening playing marbles with having children before leaving that night judd promised to return to visit them the the next day then. He went back to his hotel he was just about to go to bed. When the Syracuse police arrived? To question him him job was taken to the Syracuse police station. During questioning he maintained that he hadn't left Syracuse recused since Friday evening evoked confident that the business trip provided him with the perfect alibi but while he was being interrogated a hotel oh made begin the process of cleaning his room when she emptied out the trash bin. She found a torn ticket stub from his Sunday morning train ride from Grand Central Station into Syracuse. She immediately turned the RIP ticket over to the authorities during the questioning. Police officers didn't let on that. They had evidence. John was lying when Lieutenant McDermott and his partner arrived in Syracuse to escort judd back to Queens. He left in good spirits. He seemed cheerful on the train. Ride and even attempted to make friends with Lieutenant. Mcdermott trying to make him laugh with jokes and stories. His good mood lasted until about an hour into the journey. When Lieutenant McDermott remarked Judd? No we have the contents of your wastebasket. The Hotel Judd became quiet realizing he was caught then. He launched into a confession when the group arrived at the Jamaica. Precinct Queens Judd. Put a statement in writing and was formerly placed under arrest. I later that morning. Both Judd and ruth were taken to the Jamaica townhall for their preliminary arraignment my some accounts the pair reached out and untouched hands as they were taken into the courtroom both entered pleas of not guilty. Although Ruth had made a confession to police her her lawyer repudiated it in court on the ground that it was made under duress and force. Judd's attorney also lamented his client's confession saying being. They've talked themselves into a bad fix. This is what comes of persons talking before the engaged council after the arraignment ruthin injured were taken to the Queen's County jail and placed end cells on opposite sides of the building. They had barely slept since the murder. For the first time. In Two ooh days they could escape the questions of reporters lawyers and police officers. They were finally able to rest but ruth in Judd's family members weren't so lucky from the moment Albert's death was made public journalists latched onto the story. The flashy details coauthor attention headlines emphasize the lurid affair between the flapper and the lingerie salesman but after highlighting the sex single reporters turned their attention to the UN remarkable nature of the suspects. Ruth and judd were not remarkable individuals. But somehow the fact only added to the story's intrigue the murder made people questioned the character of their friends and neighbors neighbors after all if to middle class every day American citizens could act so brutally then anybody could as journalists silly Beckley wrote for here are a man and woman exactly like the man and woman who ride next to us in the subway or the couple in the seats behind signed ours at the theater. People who look like US act like us seem like us live like us think like us and to all outward appearances are like us yet. Our Roots Snyder and judd gray like us are we like them. Are We. Apt To slip slipped capable of our self control at any minute and do as they did. There is the mystery. Nearly a century later the mystery of what drives someone to commit. Murder still fascinates people to the extent. Isn't that we even turn it into entertainment. And a two thousand eleven article criminal forensic psychologist Paul G Matuzici wrote about the public's obsession and with violent crime he referred to murder as a most fundamental taboo and also perhaps most fundamental human impulse concluded. We are fascinated because we wonder would. I have felt the same way. Had the same impulse and would I have done the same thing and in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven these questions were compelling enough to turn Albert Snyder's murder into a national sensation in the week after the murder journalist hounded Judd's wife who was still reeling from the news of his arrest. One reporter order even contacted his ten year old daughter school hoping to get an interview with her journalists also sought out. Ruth's mother Granny Brown who eventually chilly gave a press conference to proclaim her daughter innocent ruth herself was bombarded with interview requests. And for the most part she seemed all too happy be to participate in the spectacle. She gamely posed for photographs. Issued statements to the press and agreed to several interviews. Ruth couldn't help feeling a rush of excitement. She had spent so many will years with Albert. Now something different was finally happening to her. People were paying attention to our. They wanted to photograph her and hear her speak. It was like being a movie star. Of course it wasn't all roses but ruth thought that if she had to be accused of murder she might as well find some excitement in it spelt differently however the chastised her telling her to look the part of the grieving widow. They reminded her that her. Our life was on the line. But Ruth didn't want to worry about that and really judge was the one who picked up the window sash and smashed Albert over the head with it. He was the killer not her. Surely the world would see that so ruth allowed herself the small pleasure of being famous right now. It was the only thrill she had although she seemed to enjoy. Enjoy the attention. The Coverage Ruth received from the media was far from sympathetic the Brooklyn Daily Times categorized ruth as a Viking type roofless when opposed a woman cold calculating shrewd and with nerves of iron. A woman who would sacrifice family friends good name and honor to gratify a whim of the flesh a woman with bloodlust in her veins the same newspaper seemed markedly less. Hostile towards Judd. Gray remarking he has the appearance of frailty and to Minniti a glance at the two convinces won that route. Snyder was the ruling spirit. The Dominant Personality Jones Friends and family bolstered this characterisation. Asian calling judd. A naive man led astray by Mercilus. Siren Hanan Gray told the press the woman must have had him hypnotized. ICED JUDD himself blamed his downfall on bad liquor and evil women a- combination too strong for any man Dan. Some reports luridly speculated that Ruth Hadden Snare Judd to do her bidding through abnormal sex practices within a few weeks. Ruth was compared to every female temptress from the biblical Eve to Lady Macbeth. You these gender condemnations of women who commit violent crimes aren't not uncommon even today Scottish barrister. Helen Kennedy Hannity. Who represented murderer? Myra Hindley found that. The public often reacts more harshly to female defendants in her two thousand nineteen books. She wrote note. We feel differently about a woman doing something consciously cruel because of our expectations of women as the nurturing sex the adage is that women who commit crimes are mad bad or sad the bad maybe few in number but once given the label. There is no forgiving Ruth tried to strike back against this perception in a scathing statement she con Judd Alot cringing sneaking King Jackal. The murderer of my husband who is now trying to hide behind my skirt to try to drag me into the stinking Pitt but ruth's colorful language little to change public opinion. It also didn't help that. Judd seemed to embrace religion during his jail. Stay he you spent much of the time in his cell reading the Bible and meet a show of being moved to tears. During the church services held at the Jail Chapel. He appeared to be a redeem center. In contrast route seemed glib and unrepentant. She frequently joked and bantered with jail. matrons she was apparently incapable of overcoming her Brash Party girl image one night when a Ukulele band played outside her jail cell window. Oh she commented. I wish I had a dance floor and a good partner. She also obsessed about her appearance terrence. She asked for and was granted permission to keep a curling iron in her cell and sometimes pass the time by giving herself manicures with a matchstick nick. Once again the public found her behavior far from endearing reporter Joseph Fan Rita called Judd. Gray a tragic figure and a subject for pity won't characterizing ruth as unutterable brutal cruel cowardly perverted and stupid roots own neighbor who had hosted the Party Ruth in Albert attended on the night of the murder was quoted as saying I absolutely despise her. Sure if anyone had to be killed. It should have been Mrs Snyder. Ruth could only hope that her jury might be more sympathetic attic. She and Judd would soon go to trial for first degree murder. They knew that a conviction would lead to an automatic death sentence. Jed Gray and route snyder were now fighting for their lives up next. The Snyder murder case goes to trial now back to the story in March of Nineteen Twenty seven thirty two year old Ruth Snyder and thirty four year old judge gray were arrested for the murder of. Ruth's husband Albert a few weeks later on Monday. April Eighteenth Nineteen twenty seven ruth and Judd's trial for first degree murder commenced thousands of people mob the courthouse hoping to catch a glimpse of the defendants attendees included. Filmmaker D W Griffith who arrived in limousine. He told reporters he was thinking about about directing a movie. Based on the case. So many stars from Broadway and Vaudeville also showed up. That spectators began referring to their seating area. Ask The actors Equity Section representatives from every major newspaper. Were in attendance. They all came to see a show but they may have been disappointed by the initial proceedings before the trial could begin the judge. I had to select an impartial jury. This proved to be a difficult task since the case had already been discussed so much in the press. It had made a strong impression on the public when when the lawyers asked whether the potential jurors had already formed an opinion on the guilt or innocence of the defendants many admitted that they had these individuals. Individuals were excused for bias. This stretch the jury selection process over several days as dozens of prospective jurors were eliminated. The defendants found the process tedious. After the first day Ruth told reporters. I don't understand why they brought me into the courtroom to listen to such a monotonous proceeding. I would like a little excitement to relieve the monotony. But despite Ruth's clear distaste for the selection process the media seemed to blame her for the delays. One reporter suggested that Ruth and her lawyer were trying to fill the jury box with naive. Leave man. Ruth can manipulate and dominate with her willful sexuality Justice shia-dominated Judd Gray Ruth. The publicly rejected that theory. In fact she lamented the fact that under New York law the jury would be comprised solely of men. Women were not allowed to serve in murder trials in response to this ruth commented that a woman could see her side of the case better than a crowd of men by the end of the week. Twelve men were selected. Ruth and Judd could only stare at the faces this of those who had the power to condemn them to death with trial underway. The attorneys began calling witnesses to the stand. Both Ruth and Judd testified at length. They both admitted that they were in the house during the slaying but each blamed the other party for the deed itself both Ruth. Ann Portray themselves as reluctant participants in the murder scheme. It seemed that if they couldn't convince the jury to acquit they the at least hope to receive a lesser verdict of second degree rather than first degree murder then they might escape with a ten to twenty year prison term rather than an execution. The trial concluded on Monday may Ninth Nineteen Twenty seven after eleven days. The jury deliberated rated for only about ninety minutes. They returned with a unanimous verdict finding both defendants guilty of murder. In the first degree the judge sentenced them to death by electrocution as required acquired by law jet remains STOIC. At the news ruth initially collapsed in tears but seemed to recover quickly after the hearing. She asked whether they were permitted to make stops on the way to sing sing. She reportedly said that she liked to take a detour for a lobster. Dinner at her. Favorite roadhouse house. This request was denied the following Monday. She was transported to seeing penitentiary. It was time to leave the county jail ruth felt an aunt sense of nostalgia wash over her at the thought of going away. It could have been worse. This place. She'd found some comforts. At least she tried to look back on the few bright spots over over the last few months she had tamed a mouse that crept into her cell by feeding it crumbs. It struck her funny given how Albert never let her have a pet pat she'd also befriended the jail's chaplain reverend. Father George Murphy. She was sure he would speak well of her to the press and the jail. Matrons matrons were pleasant tour she wished them all goodbye as the deputy sheriff's lead her away outside. It was cloudy Sunshine. Shine might have been nicer but ruth was looking forward to the car right upstate. Climbing into the grey sedan. She could pretend she was going on a lovely trip a vacation away from the city. Crowds reporter surrounded the car calling out their questions asking how she felt. They seem to expect her to cry or whale. They looked eager to see her tears. But Ruth didn't see much point in that anymore anymore. Deputy Sheriff's escorted the prisoners out of the Queen's County jail as they departed noted for seeing seeing ruth seem cheerful. She told reporters she had recently found solace in the Catholic faith she wished to convert the statement and was met with scepticism. Some suggested that ruth was only trying to win sympathy from New York governor. Alfred Smith a Catholic who held the power of granting in her clemency. If this was her motivation it didn't work. Governor Smith Heard Ruth and jets clemency petition but ultimately denied it. Their sentence was to be carried out on January twelfth. Nineteen twenty eight merely ten months after Albert Snyder's murder on the night of the twelfth over forty spectators assembled to view the executions ruth. Snyder was brought in first. Witnesses said that her face was red from crying as she was led to the electric chair and strapped in she repeated. Jesus have mercy on me for I have sinned. One of the witnesses was Tom. Howard a Chicago Tribune photographer? WHO was working with the New York Daily News to preserve the solemnity of the occasion journalists? Were instructed not to bring any cameras but Tom had strapped. A custom made one and shot camera to his ankle the moment the executioner flipped the switch as electronics course through spotty. Tom took his shot. The photograph appeared the next day beneath a one word headline dead. The Macabre image provided a final titillating leading morsel to satisfy the public's morbid interest in the case the daily news normally had a circulation of about one million papers when the photograph ran the day after the execution circulation swelled to one and a half million according to author and research scholar. Landis mackellar it was the largest sale of any single paper on any single day in American history the execution was otherwise uneventful Eventful within minutes ruth was pronounced dead. Judd Gray soon followed her. He remained mostly silent only speaking to utter the twenty Third Psalm before the executioner flipped the switch the Lord. It is my shepherd I shall not want Route Snyder. And Judd Gray died with little drama but this is perhaps typical at executions executions psychologists. Nathan a heff lick a lecturer at the University of Lincoln and the UK studied the last words of the hundreds. It's of death row. Inmates he said when reading these last statements I was expecting to see evidence of fear and panic. I was struck that there. There was very little evidence of this in these statements. Most he said chose to express religion and spirituality love and appreciation nation activism forgiveness claims of innocence and for a small portion silence after the executions the bodies were released to the prisoners families for burial the following day. Ruth Snyder born with the name. Mamie Mimi Ruth Brown was buried with a tombstone. Reading May Are Brown at least in debt. She could escape nicknames. Like ruthless truth which had followed her since her arrest once executions were over public interest in the case markedly dropped. Reporters moved on to the next scandal. But the affair of Route Snyder and judd gray didn't completely disappear from memory. Their story was the basis for a stage play by Sophie Treadwell entitled Machine All a tragedy in ten episodes which had a successful run in one nineteen twenty eight and nineteen twenty nine Clark Gable at the time still. A relatively unknown actor played the role based on Jet Gray journalist and novelist James. M Cain also used Albert Snyder's murder as inspiration for his novel double indemnity. The book was adapted into into An Academy Award nominated film starring Barbara Stanwick Stanwick chilling performance offered audiences a cautionary tale echoing wing. Judge Gray's nineteen twenty seven warning against bath liquor and evil women but the film is perhaps even more cynical than the events on which it is based I in our final moments Stan. Wicks character admits that she never had any feelings for her lover. She only used him to get what she wanted. said she says this right before Fred macmurray character shoots and kills her unlike these characters Ruth Snyder and Judd Gray clearly held affection for each other and even after an ugly trial in which the two defendants charged against one another some of that affection still lingered according to reports less than a week before for her execution route. Snyder asked for permission to send a short farewell. Letter to Judd. Gray Judd Gray received a letter and was touched enough to write a note in reply in their final days. The two accomplices did not seem to bear each other. Any ill-will Judd's its final words on the subject where I am very glad I had hoped she would forgive me. I hope God forgives both of us. Thanks again for tuning into crimes of passion. We will be back Wednesday with a new episode. You can find more episodes of crimes of passion and all other parkas originals for free on spotify. Not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like crimes passion for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream crimes of passion on spotify. Just open the APP and type crimes of passion and the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter and podcast network. We'll see you next time. 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S2E1: The Four Shots

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S2E1: The Four Shots

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I was approached by journalist and Pulitzer nominated author Michael fleekerman with the Snyder men case what fascinated me about the Snyder in case is what makes a person cross that line between wanting to kill somebody and actually killing somebody. He went on to write the book crazy for you. Which makes up the bulk of the story you're about to hear Gary tied him in will be narrating, and I'll be jumping in at pivotal moments with some thoughts and direction think of me as your true crime guide throughout the series. So let's get into the story. We start in Dunwoody. Georgia a suburb of Atlanta, it's mid November in two thousand ten this is the kind of neighborhood where you'd expect to see women power walking down tree lined sidewalks. There's a shopping center in the heart of Dunwoody. It has a barber shop a post office, and among other things a preschool this. Neighborhood like so many in the suburbs is sleepy with very little crime that is until the day of rusty's murder. And so we begin here on that day. We begin at an ending. Shortly before nine AM on Thursday, November eighteenth twenty ten a silver Infinity g thirty five pulled into the shopping center and came to a stop next to a red brick wall in front of the Dunwoody. Prep preschool, Russell rusty Snyder men thirty six years old boyish-looking with glasses had his three year old son, Ian strapped in the car seat in the back. The preschool run had become the morning routine ever since rusty lost his CFO job and his wife. Andrea took her first full time employment in the corporate world. Andrea usually took their five year old daughter Sophia to kindergarten on the way to her office at GE, energy and Marietta later in the day rusty would pick up both in and so and takes FIA ballet in between. He would squeeze in work on a voicemail company. He was trying to start up. Rusty brought Ian to his classroom and return to his car his schedule this day called for an eleven thirty AM meeting with a potential business partner based on his casual dress. It appeared that rusty had plans to make the short drive back to his large house on mango court and change clothes. By all accounts. Rusty never saw the silver many van following him into the parking lot. And if he did it didn't mean enough for him to do anything about it, nor did he seem to recognize the driver a bearded man in a hoodie sweatshirt who had waited behind the wheel until rusty emerged from the school. Rusty opened his car door and the bearded man approached if they exchanged words, nobody heard it without any apparent warning or provocation, the man pointed a handgun at rusty's head the gun was large and chrome plated the morning sun glinting off the polished surface. Four times the men pulled the trigger. Did you hear that fifty yards across the parking lot? Craig Kohlmeier a chiropractor with the practice down the street and his wife eleo starter were standing outside the post office to buy stamps when they heard four popping sounds from the direction of the Dunwoody prep preschool and saw the silver minivan a man was casually walking toward it Kohlmeier would later say. The man stood medium height between five foot nine and five eleven and wore blue jeans, he turned and stared at the couple in his hand was the silver gun. The man started the van but struggled to get it in reverse gears grinding as if he were unfamiliar with how to operate the vehicle the van jerked away and peeled out of the parking lot the tire. Screeching raced down the street made a u-turn then continued on mount Vernon road into the rush hour traffic on the pavement next to silver luxury car a man laid dying. Inside dunwoody. Prep school assistant calling McNulty had taken six three year olds from classroom to the playground on the other side of the brick wall. When she saw a flock of birds take flight, a fraction of a second later. She heard loud noises foreign succession. Peering over the wall to the parking lot McNulty saw a minivan race away and several people gathered over a man on the ground with blood pouring from his head. She recognized him as rusty Snyder. Mun apparent Husan, Ian, attended the preschool and whose daughter Sophia had been a student few years previously McNulty ushered the children back into the classroom and tried to dial nine one one on her cell phone, but got busy signals. She told another teacher to go into the office and call for help in the office. Donna for motto at I thought it was a bad joke. She went outside to find a crowd gathering around a pronoun man with what she later described as very gray skin with somebody attending to the man for Mato went back inside the school. An office worker told her the victim was Ian Snyder men's dead rusty for motto pulled the family emergency contact information card and dial to work number. For Ian, mother. Andrea Snyder men. The nine one one call was related by the dispatcher at the DeKalb county emergency call center to the patrol car of Dunwoody. Police department officer Brian Tate, somehow the details of the incident had gotten garbled. The dispatcher initially sent him to the RBC Bank in the Dunwoody village shopping center for what was described as an armed robbery Tate. Sped to the shopping center a minute later. The dispatcher changed the call to a person being shot at Dunwoody prep in the same mall. Tate arrived in just two minutes Elliott starter flagged him down and directed toward the entrance to the school as he got out of his patrol car. He could hear the siren from the approaching paramedic. Within seconds emergency medical technician road. Berkeley from the DeKalb county. Fire and rescue was on the scene. It was about nine fifteen m when the phone rang at Andrea Schneiderman desk, I told her something had happened at the school that Ian was okay. And that she needed to come to the school right away. For motto would later say for motto said nothing about people hearing gunshots or having seen the ashen faced rusty who was Andrea's husband. She didn't want to alarm Andrea any more than necessary presuming she'd be driving to the school. Andrea started screaming into the phone. She demanded more information at something happened to rusty for motto refused to say more until Andrea got their Andrea ran out of her office and down to the parking lot and drove off in her black SUV along the way she made a number of calls on her cell phone. She called her parents telling them that she was on her way to the daycare center. She also called her brother with the same message her parents and her brother all lived nearby and would meet her. She also called rusty's father. Donald Snyder men a retired accountant who lived in Cleveland and she called her boss Hemi Newman on his cellphone. I wanna pause for a second. There's a lot happening here. We have rusty dying on the Asheville. There are paramedics and police on the scene. Witnesses are gathered Andrea rusty's wife is on her way to the school. She calls close family and Hemi Newman her boss, remember at this point. She's still unaware that her husband has been shot in this next section. We get deep into the chaos after Andrea pulls into the parking lot to detectives arrive on the scene. Hey, sue Molinaro and his sergeant on the police force. Gary Korda Lino as the ranking officer on the scene quarterly. No is an important figure in the story. Pay attention to his choices here and moving forward. Noteworthy as well is the lack of information the police provide. Andrea what happened to rusty? Where was he taken? Why won't anyone tell her? What's going on? We'll get there. But for now, we left off with Andrea rusty's wife driving to the school. She tore into the school parking lot flung open her door tumbled out and ran toward the crime scene tape behind it sat rusty's parked and Finnity. What happened? She screamed. Detective hazo small D'amoto from the Dunwoody. Police department intercepted her as she headed toward the crime scene tape. Calm down. He told her leading her away from the crime scene and toward the front door of the daycare center. You gotta relax her knees. Buckled and Maldonado Qatar. Maldonado half carried her to the door where she was met by two women who worked at Dunwoody. Prep and another detective sergeant Gary Corta Lino the ranking officer on the scene quarter Lino had arrived twenty minutes earlier after rusty had been taken away, and he temporarily took charge. He told officers to look for witnesses called in crime scene techs to collect evidence, including the shell casings in the parking lot and sent a detective to the hospital to talk to family members. He later acknowledged being taken by surprise that one of those family members would be right there in front of him. I really didn't know she was coming. He later said I wasn't prepared for that. Andrea continued to ask what was going on corvina wouldn't tell her. Instead he asked if she knew where rusty had come from. And where he was headed. Andrea told him she had no idea, and she'd later expressed frustration that she had answered questions when nobody would answer hers. She would also claim that quarter. Lena, refused to tell her where rusty had been taken Corallina would say that he wanted a detective to drive her to the hospital. She didn't need to be at the school. He said. At some point while inside the school. Andrea spoke on her cellphone to her parents. They were driving to meet her from their home in Roswell thirteen miles to the east. Eventually her parents arrived as did her brother among the four of them. They somehow ascertained that rusty had been taken in an ambulance to an unidentified hospital after some sort of incident. Any more information from the school from the detectives from anybody would not be forthcoming at the recommendation of Donna for Mata Andrea left in at the school feeling. It was better for him there while everybody's sorted out. What had happened to his father? Andrea parents drove her to her house, and then her father called all the local hospitals. The Atlanta medical center confirmed that a Russell Snyder Mun had been admitted, but wouldn't say why or what is condition was Andrea and her parents piled into the car and headed for the hospital while Andrea worked her. Cell phone calling a longtime friend shayna Citron rusty's father, Donald and her boss Hemi Newman again. The paramedics continue to perform CPR as they wield rusty into the emergency room to attending physician. Marc Waterman, a quick assessment told him the prognosis was grim. The man had suffered multiple gunshot wounds to his neck near the carotid artery and chest. It would later be determined that the first bullet entered the left side of the traveled through his jaw and hit his right shoulder. Ending up just below the skin and his back. The gunman fired at point blank range. Rusty had stiffling burns to the face from the gun powder. Grains that shot out with the bullet. The second bullet came from farther away, probably while he lay on the asphalt it entered the right side of his abdomen at the bottom of his ribcage and pierced his liver diaphragm and right lung lodging itself, just under the skin of the back causing serious, internal bleeding, two more bullets went into his abdomen. Slicing through his intestines and exiting from his back causing more internal bleeding. Rusty. Also, suffered a grazed wound to his forearm either from a separate fifth shot or more likely from one of the other bullets hitting him just below the elbow as he tried in vain to fend off the shots. Dr Waterman check, his patients, pulse and breathing. All vital signs were flat within minutes. He declared rusty Snyder men dead. After the break. We'll hear about some of the early press coverage and here with some of the witnesses saw at the crime scene. Stay tuned. This episode of case closed is brought to you by the audiobook addition of redemption point by New York Times bestselling author Candace FOX, it's red for you by Audie award winning narrator, UN Morton, a talented voice and stage actor who also stars on Broadway. As King George in Hamilton, redemption point is a thrilling fiction audio book, you'll love when former police detective Ted Cathy was wrongly accused of obstructing clear Bingley, he hoped the Queensland rainforest town of crimson lake would be a good place to disappear, but nowhere is safe from Clair's devastated. Father while on the run Ted runs into another set of murders. His hunt for the truth will draw him into a violent dance with evil. Finding redemption may cost Ted his life. Listen to an excerpt of the audiobook at MacMillan, audio dot com slash redemption point. That's MacMillan audio dot com slash redemption point. And we're back we pick up at Dunwoody prep. The first news person to arrive was dick Williams publisher of the weekly Dunwoody. Cryer? It's unheard of. He said later I've had this paper for sixteen years, and that's probably homicide number four and all that time. News helicopters circled over the preschool and vans from Atlanta's local TV stations rolled into the parking lot telescoping up. Their transmission? Polls for live satellite reports. The early coverage was breathless and now panic outside a preschool began Fox TV affiliate anchor Tom Haines on that night's telecast the account in the Atlanta Journal constitution echoed the tone of disbelief it called the murder a sensational crime that offers few obvious avenues for investigation within hours interviews with rusty's, friends and colleagues and scan of social networking sites. Online, databases and company and government websites produced a glowing biography rusty was by all accounts, a successful man of business with a background in finance and insurance raised in the Cleveland area. He came to Dunwoody from Boston to take a position as the CFO of a large Atlanta company. He. Recently struck out on his own as an entrepreneur, he had no known enemies. No criminal record was active in local charities and in the Jewish community. Nearly every media account took note that he possessed a Harvard MBA. The early speculation was that rusty was the victim of some sort of hit Casey, Jordan criminologist and professor at western Connecticut state university told Pete combs radio show, not long after the incident that the shooting looked like an organized hit the killer was either somebody who had been deta against rusty or shooter hired by somebody who did everything about the murder said professional assassin. She said from the nondescript attire to stymie identification to the getaway vehicle without plates the firing of multiple gunshots to make sure that job was done. And the fact that the victims luxury car was left at the scene. Now, we're going to get into some nitty gritty evidence was this organiz hit. Or was it less planned? There's evidence to point in either direction and not a whole lot of physical clues when other avenues of investigation offer more year. You'll also meet detective Andrew Thomson who will be the lead detective on this case, we trace the steps he took immediately after he got to the crime scene all the way through the end of the day of the murder. The crime scene offered few answers and little evidence a dead body and four brass shell-casing scattered on the blacktop near rusty's car. This told police the shooter used a semiautomatic, but ballistics could narrow it down to a maker model of gun much less wear or when it was purchased eye-witnesses all told a similar story a man of van and a gun. Nobody caught a license plate number and most believed van didn't have plates. Nobody recognized the shooter though, most agreed the beard looked fake security cameras trained on the parking lot captured the van entering and leaving. But didn't show the actual shooting shortly after nine AM detective, Andrew Thompson of the Dunwoody. Police department heard the original radio call mistakenly, alerting police to an incident that the Bank when word came across the radio that the getaway car was a silver van heading down. Mount Vernon road. He drove farther ahead and. Parked at an intersection in the hope of intercepting the suspect. But no silver vans appeared he then went to Dunwoody. Prep his boss sergeant quarter Lino handed. The case Thompson making him the lead detective. Previously an officer with the Atlanta police department for eight years Thompson had only two years experience as a detective working narcotics before coming to Dunwoody. This was his first turn as lead investigator for homicide. He was pacing around the crime scene getting the lay of the land. When he saw Andrea arrive, he didn't know her then. But assumed she was close to the victim. He would recall her behavior as very loud, very dramatic. Thomson spoke briefly to the eye. Witnesses cred Kohlmeier a daughter and Chris Lang and the pediatrician Tarrant Ghafoor who had attempted to resuscitate rusty. He took down their contact information for longer. Follow up interviews. He called in the crime scene technicians to take measurements photograph scene and collect evidence rusty head few personal effects when he died an envelope in his jacket, a wedding ring, and to watch nobody could find his wallet the witnesses hadn't seen the gunman take the wallet. The presumption was rusty had raced out to drop off his son and had simply forgotten it. It was dark when Thomson and quarter Lino pulled up to the Snyder men house on mango court it sat on a half acre wooded lot against a forest traversed by walking paths when they rang the doorbell a couple who identified themselves as Andrea parents opened the door. Thompson told them he had a search warrant and wanted to come in. We are house in mourning said Andrea mother Andrea father told them they couldn't come in. According to Thomson Thomson told him that police had a warrant and to get out of the way or go to jail for obstruction. When sergeant court Elino interjected Corvino said they would come back tomorrow in the para-military culture of police departments a detective on his first murder case would never argue with a supervising sergeant Thompson would later leave little doubt that he disagreed with the gentle handling of the family. We started this case at rusty's death. We'll come back to the minutes before and after the murder over and over the silver minivan the man with a fake beard and silver pistol the manic Andrea and her phone calls the scene of the crime with chaotic we have lead detective, Andrew Thomson, and his supervising sergeant Gary Korda Lino taking charge. We begin to see a rift between the two here a rift that will be faithful as this case plays out. There are a lot of questions that still need answers. But with all murder cases, the fundamental one is who killed the victim. We get more details in the next episode about rusty Andrea and their relationship. We also hear about Andrea secret admire someone who quickly becomes a new suspect. But that's next time on case closed. Case closed is production of MacMillan podcasts. This season is based on the book crazy for you by Michael flaming get the book or the audio book using the link in our show notes. The show is produced by Becky soliciting with help from Katie Ferguson, Sarah grill, and Eliza Martino, we also wanna think Michael fleekerman can't wait to hear what really happened to rusty Snyder men here all of the season right now on Stitcher premium, go to Stitcher premium dot com slash case closed and use code closed to start your free trial. I'm Charlie Spicer. Thanks so much for listening.

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"EJ Skullcrusher Snyder"

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"EJ Skullcrusher Snyder"

"Hey friends this episode of how Beaumont Halos is brought to you by cable. Soap company K BAR has a couple of new products that he has available including the MOAB. Which is the mother of all bath bombs? He's got the chess candy sugar scrub knife. Hand Rehab Chaos Pie made and more when you go to his website go to additional products to find all of these extra things. They're great products and they've all gotten review so you WanNa go on there and see other people that have used them besides myself for solely or Lauren. You can just go reviews. They speak for themselves. Www DOT K. Bar SOAP CO DOT com. That's K. B. A. R. S. O. A. P. C. O. DOT COM for our listeners. Don't forget to use code. Hell bound when you check out this episode our friend. Ej Snyder joined us again and EJ is a highly decorated Army combat veteran with twenty five years military service under his belt serving ranger positions in infantry and airborne units. You may know. Ej from the Discovery Channel series naked and afraid and Dole survivor. We know him from both of those but we also know him because he's been on with us in the past and he'll be on with us more because he's a good dude. We love has a mind ladies and gentlemen give a warm welcome to our friend. Ej Skull crusher. Snyder how Obama Hey. It's been coins well only over year and I gotta say Greg Stanley Resident Psychic. I still keep in touch with the. I think I've basically linked in high five or six times of the year just to check in see kids say Salo got running all my social media get messages from all over the place including yourself you know and Lincoln to good is one of the other venues are used to keep myself out there get work and aroma social media as some people very funny. I guess they think because I'm a naked afraid you consult for the show Been doing that since season three per casting and I interview people get on the show and if they could get you hooked up especially people that are not from the US. It's very difficult. And they don't understand that they say look go in the middle fires media fill out the application. I don't care who you are. There's no shortcut. That's that's what has to happen yet. I don't care who you know. You know the president no matter you've got to fill the application out at metal flowers media dot com and for the record the entire film industry whether you're doing scripted television for a major action film or you doing reality. Tv or you're doing a Sitcom for TV. Everything's on hold guys until this crisis is over so don't call me to ask you how I get on the show. You hard way but you application in each wheaties drink bourbon smoke cigars and keep your skills up shark yet and you might just get passed. Well I'll tell you it's funny that you brought up cigars because I've started. I just joined a cigar the month club because Oh phenom myself doing all these fucking projects around the House. Now were that. I've got all this time right so the other day you know. I was down in Disney Springs back in December and I bought myself. A Romeo at Julieta. I bought a Mac. I bought some nice cigars right. So I'm Mike fucking burning one so I started blaming man. This is good so now like every other day. When I'm outside lighten up like this is fucking great. Hey you know what every day is Cova Day Day of the week is it doesn't matter it's Cova it's just. It's like groundhog's day but with a mass. Hey look it's no in a lot of people have said this. It's so weird I'm walking into. Cvs Day in. I actually have my hat on. I got my. I don't wear a mask where the cloth you know those like turtle ours our I eyewear neck. Yep So is break. Soon as I'm going through the door I'm Mike pulling that up like I'm an old West Cowboy. Go into rob the joint. I'm like yeah we fought. The whole world has moved into a world of bandits and Roberts. Everyone's abandoned Robert Runaround. Seriously it's unreal. I get it to a point. Cove Zombie you going to bite my face off valley. Look at you like you like. We're outside the wind's blowing it sunny. It's hot right pretty sure. We're safes close to the six feet. Whatever yeah that's why been staying a lot of time in the woods? 'cause you know what the squirrels don't have it. I don't have to worry about it and want to shoot them I eat. Is that what you're doing to pass the time Been staying out the woods quite a bit doing a lot of Hiking A. Lot of video filming Because we've been trying to get some alternative program going Very creatively that people can watch it either in isolation house which is where I got. GotTa get outside. They stay in the woods or go back back bright hike camp in undisclosed locations here and doing a lot of video because my youtube channel rebuild that release it nice showing making full effort to after the summer to get my youtube channel really rolling probably sooner than that I've been asked to do. Shoot a bunch of video. Survival videos for some newsletters. So I'm out there shooting all the video. I'm a you know. Do a lot of stuff from youtube channel so if you haven't subscribed to youtube channel go there I think there's two channels the one with like nine hundred subscribers ignore that. I don't know why that was there. They GonNa Pasta. You'll see me with my mug on there. There's a bunch of videos on there It's the skull custer survival channel. It's it's official Youtube Channel. Please go there subscribe folks. We're GONNA have a lot of great video information coming out. Their survival stuff. Prepar stuff funds right. Sure the other side of my personality and I just have a good time with it so please go there and subscribe to ask like. Are you going to go out and do videos of like small ten fifteen minute clips of? Here's how you can start a fire with what I have here. Yeah so and I'm going to start doing like fire. Hacks fire and tricks Not just starting a fire which is important as a ton of that stuff out there But I'm GONNA give you. It's like we're going to have Also GonNA start being a part of a round the cabinet which is a great podcast for predators survivalist and those guys are gonNA probably start with once a month. Maybe twice a month have ice show skull-crushing sense common sense but with an attitude and usually a. Yeah I always get L. You grab life by the balls. That's the best ending. We can fuck the bone marrow out of life grab a lot of that stuff going on but most videos people can't stay with it longer than five minute. Try and keep it within three to five minutes down and dirty. Do several of them like have fire series. Fire One two three. You know. That's how I think I'm GonNa hit it very smartly and get after it and get people these things that they need that everyday Joe and Joan can do sure. I don't WanNa make you cody. Ledeen starting fires the master of primitive. But I WANNA make you the best you you can be at starting to fire when you need it most in the probably the most simplistic form a realistic sense of if you're out in the woods and you get lost here's how you can start a fire with what you've got. You Know Kevin and slowly go hiking fucking lost. We don't have all the primitive skills you may have or or add may have texting AJ. I'm found a very basic survival kit with a few little tricks and hats. And they're like for instance if you're going to start a fire. Let's say you're I. It goes out with Celebrate the go out but one later in one pocket and a lighter in another pocket so you got a backup to the backup take three but always have an extra system or take a firestone. Whatever but in a little bag you'll zip lock bag. You can have several cotton ball stuff. That Petroleum Jelly and you throw that in your tender bundle. You take the lighter and you start stoking that little cotton ball up that Petroleum Jelly GonNa make a burn a lot longer. Okay last longer enough to get your tinder bundle up in flames to get your smaller tender sticks on there then you're kindling then hopefully get to the fuel part and get a good raging fire go. How much of the vast lead you put on there just enough you know you just take that always like Charles bores always been really doused it and get it in there. In that Petroleum Jelly Really Dowsett cotton ball. And so what happens is when you pull the cotton ball out you of start spreading apart okay so you get the fibres very loose. And the petroleum jellies all in there when you put in that plastic baggie sitting in an air is soaking at all in. And it's going to it. Goes up really fast. It's really neat. It buys you probably a good minute minute and a half extra tie with that flame going maybe even as much as two minutes it just depends on what kind of petroleum jelly us. I don't know which one's better than the other but it works. It's it's just one of those hacks that's great you know and people walk around. Bugs insect repellent. Okay spray that on that stuff is highly flammable and it works so it's just It's just hedging your bet I I pulled out a little. Ej Snyder in me Last fall well not fall and a summer. We go camping every year and now it's not an Ej. Snyder style camping. We we rent a camper and we actually have the camper. Yeah is that glancing. Because the fucking ten isn't like a king size bed or anything in it but we got a firepit so my youngest daughter step-daughter is a girl scout so one of the badges that she can get as fire starter so I got a piece of Flint and a striker and we actually let I taught her how to light the fire with the flint and we got a fire going with just flint and found so. She still has that with her. She carries it with her. Favourite show is naked and afraid in her favorite character. Is You believe it or not. And it was like off she goes is that the one daddy interviewed. I really like him and my wife. Christine is like yeah. And she's like he's my favorite guy. So that's awesome prejudice because you're bad and that's how she is you know she's like that are humbling. It's very humbling. How much of a hero you become too to not just men and women across the planet for in my case but the kids and you know it's like action figure doll action figure kind of level hero in its in. I'll tell kids all time. Your parents should be heroes. I'm just Appreciate you think a hero and I'm glad to be your hero but you know your mom and Dad. Those are the heroes soldiers. Fight THE WARS. The first responders like now. There's some heroes right there you know I go out there and just try to be a good influence to show you how to get out of bed days. It's something love doing something. I'm good at and You know I've been put to some really tricky spots you know. They recently in two thousand eighteen I arrest raced et staffer. Who's a British lower survivalist? Usery kind of an extreme guy. You know God bless Ed. He you know he was. You know he's going to do this. Show so for six months. He's training he's doing cross fitting and Kito so he knows all the places he's gone. I get called up on Christmas like right before Christmas N. wants to raise you in this new show. We want you to come down. Help US build the series to consult for us a little bit at this because you built series before on these other shows and great at and I'm like Hey I'm the skull crusher as and drinking a beer eating pumpkin pie thing I'm out in the best shape my life. I need a few months to get ready for race. I'm your closer you want me for the last race race. Six guys on number says all right. Well run it up. The they called me back the next day said he will see five weeks like Jesus lose a few pounds. I gotta get ready for this guy coming one way or the other one in the best shape of my life but you know. I never back down from a challenge. I'm GonNa give it everything I had dropped about. Fifteen pounds got in there and through the course of being their filming and filming which we race for filling about seven days on race itself was five days through the northern jungles of the mountainous mountainous region of tile so race. There's tiger stalking us. There's we gotta eat on the fly so it's the race no maps. No compass just go. They gave me a backpack. I had a crappy Bush shaded bought off the market. Okay and it was go time right and so I'm a very big navigator when they showed me the map where we were going had to get to a river and the end point was a damn. So I've memorized quickly. Good photographic memory kind of what I had to do to get to the river and that helped me out a lot. Eggs used to using maps. Gp S.'s and so once he gets into trying to go off the land he gets a little bit law. Sometimes twisted intern pay is going to use my experience tracking skills and all this stuff. I knew from years of of new in this stuff and show that you know youth and vigor. I'll take wisdom. And Tha THA NASTY. A little Grumpiness from an old guy any day of the week over some young young snappers about us about ten years younger than okay. So was an amazing challenge and amazing race and I think I came in like just a couple of minutes behind which we had a client to a rope to get to the top of this damn and hell if that rope. That roope sucked is all wet. Had No energy to climb a rope with knots in it and I got big size Turkey wide so I went to the last saw pile of debris made a little bit shift ladder to climb up and get up to this guardrail metal guardrail. I scale the wall. My hadn't seen it or discovery. Go and you can see the season one episode for and so that was amazing and Last year Twenty okay but last year I got called up to go do a new naked afraid series called naked afraid alone. Now's unlike the alone series of the history out. It's called alone because we went out there right off the bat doing it alone. Not that we were trying to compete with the television show alone and so I was going into Bulgaria normally knowing that was in the Balkan normally naked for Yemen partner. This time you know. There's been a shows where the people have lost a partner and had a Finnish. But from the Gecko your mindset on. This is your. That's it so I was in the Balkan mountains by the time I got to my second camp. It was at thirty five hundred seat We had jackals there were Caucasian are not Eurasian Wolves Okay Gray. Wolves are pretty big pretty me and they had these hogs there the the wild boar that were very aggressive a bunch of mistakes but the resources were lacking okay in terms of what was usable even whether it was for building shelter Trying to get things to survive off then when it came to food the protein resources were just exist. They were just oh so elusive really so difficult to get at. And I threw everything I had to try and get these animals. I sit traps all over the place because add power core. I had my wonderful. Of course I don't leave home without it. Think that's a bad ass night B. and I had a pot for boiling water. Although I had a fresh spring I didn't need water but I had that pot making key and hopefully boil up any food. I might have gotten at least you weren't wound. That's an important thing had good water. Terrible shelter making materials and the wood for burning was all dead fall down with because it was the dry and all the trees were soaking the water up just like it doesn't Africa so we trot chop a tree down. It would take wallover week for that. Would to dry out so you could burn. It would just sizzling the fine on having a used dead fall after to a afire to keep the Coles go gone and dead fall makes the worst. Kohl's the best Kohl's are the ones where you get a hardwood and burn that and then the the coals just last a lot longer than it became a problem later on. I'll tell you in a second but what happened to me is a two hall. I went in air put on some weight. I went in there to fifty seven seven point on IOS waiting to forty five to forty seven pounds to go in and by the time I got out of there. You won't believe how much weight but I turned vegetarian. I had to resort to wild plums walnuts wild apples blackberries and a thing called St Nadal. Which is like a spinach at makes amazing t full of iron cleans your brought out. But I pretty much vegetarian while I was out there only a few crawfish did show but I got one trout and A few minutes I was a vegetarian out. There lost fifty pounds. How how meat? But when you're in a situation that you you mean we I watch with Eva sometimes and it's like how can eat there and I'm like when you're when you gotta you gotTa yes so I went. It was a healthy diet cleanse myself. You can't say unique craft every other day. For eight total shits out there crapping crew combined. You know elevations was a problem in the cold. It was like fifty degrees but when the wind would start at night with common elevation it was feeling like thirty degrees with the wind. Chill so I'm out there naked. Burn in my fire at night. I've got the hawks coming in. I got all my trap set up by made nice dead fall spike traps. I had snare shut up with my cordage. But they were eating their right out of the court and the only reason use quarters. I brought with me about snare. Wires illegal there so and then oh by the way all the small mammals running around me and the lizards frogs. They're all protected. I found out this one meadow. Where all the hawks were going to feed. It was a twin twin medals. One on each side of this little brock okay. I said all my traps. Mughal my traps ter- and they kept eating their way out. Well then the wolves moved in and I had two different packs of wolves starting to surround me trying to come in on me and when I found where my Hajr at I realized that the wolves removed in on Hong. Okay so I had a band. I had abandoned trying to catch the hogs because the wolves were just on Bay and so I had to trek out of there had a two day trek to get out of there. Took my Kohl's put him in my my coffee pot brought with me as I was climbing the steep rocks at a at a basically rock climb over these little small waterfalls got to this major waterfall. I fell over. My all. Mccoll's fell out of my pocket so by the time I got to my next point it was either your colds. Good and you get a fire or you got a bow drill again. That was the toughest will fires I ever had get in that environment because the air was so moist. The materials were just not not conducive. Not Working Right. I was unfamiliar with them. And it was really really tough to get affirmative. Fire up there especially when I got to forty five hundred feet. The wind was blown and at channel. But I did get out of there in one piece and again if you had seen it. The episodes on Discovery Go. Check it out. You won't be disappointed. What was the weather like? You said it was thirty overnight. But what did it get to during the day? Oh that's a good question. It got to a point if you could get out from underneath the forest canopy They have these meadows where I was at. It could get except around ninety degrees so when you're walking in the open areas. The ground is just scorching porch. In your fee. You Got Thorns. You got these lava rocks at end. The worst was in the river. The dry riverbed had the small little pebbles them that bruise your feet terrible for walking right. I made a pair of I I took a the willow and I strip the bark off the willow tree and we demand to these great shoes. That look like Crock. I had the first pair for ten days then. I made a second pair for my trek to get the hell out of there because I knew it was going to be traveled across a really bad as crazy as nuts. So when you go to these they do like Surveys the scene. Tell you like what you're going to be a countering or anything for prep. Well they told me well as funny they kept telling me I was going to Louisiana. Now is just like my backyard. I'm a swamp boy. Eat like a king among kill it. So ibis put nominee preparation into the swamp which I really don't need 'cause I I'm well enough to go to. I've been in every kind of environment ecosystem across the planet so I I've got a great base skills. Lean on and I just like I said Nancy swamps for my second home. I saw Rangers To get through the Florida swamps over there at bars was gonna say the wolves are way not just a Pekingese. They like the by Jangle. But I call it. Pekingese right because they they can only high enough to to bite you in the end of the. So I'm thinking go to the swamps Louisiana while I'm doing a I was up in the Arctic Circle up in Alaska. The Arctic area you some backpacking and before I went in. I found out. I'm getting ready to go to Gary. The bulk amount so very funny. How the universe you know throws into place where it was completely opposite the swamp and I'm out there doing some stuff and now in a terrain that's going be kinda familiar to where I'm going a little bit. It was Kinda cool up there. Even I was up in Alaska in August so I got back Alaska after being up there for about two and half three weeks spent maybe a week to get ready to go the Balkan so I did a quick study went in there. I had a great Survivalists that was there who I went out for about a half a day. Got Some Familiar with the terrain was going to be going into He and I were actually kind of friends. We were friends on facebook and he was a huge fan and we chatted a long time about survival tax. Did you just really a great pleasure to meet with him and just learn the materials learn. How HE DID. He lived in his backyard right and so that was. It was kind of helpful because I use a couple of things. He showed me That I knew with other plants and stuff like that but I'm not a great while. They're guy but he really helped me out a lot in terms of wild edibles which I was a vegetarian and I put it to good use. Yeah you got to Right. I mean and you know what you mean walnuts. If you're eating walnuts those are good source of protein right and so that kind of goes with greatly right we just whether Turkey I got. Outta endemically. I'll have a backup plan to what's going on like we're we're talking about you know supermarkets running on a food or else we get food in the everyday. I left out of fifty two pounds lighter but when I did my bed. Check Sammy me. I was healthy as an ox. Lote I only of low blood pressure so there was no issue. They my blood sugar throughout the challenge. They were checking it. It goes down under five. We really weird any medically pull you. I think that's the right number. I may be off a monarchic guy but mine was always up over. Like eight or nine. It was like very high and they were like this guy's like Machina and I felt great when it came out of the House. No other than missing some good protein and really disappointed and get to kill a hog. Very Lucia only came out when it got dark and they stayed pretty much in their big groups which makes it even double heart. So that's why I had to go to trap setting. Well that's what I was. GonNa about the Boars. So if you kill a bore like you said they they're normally impacts and if you kill one will the others try to save it and carry it away so if it's a baby or young in the mothers coming at. Ya Okay if you tack a family. Because they're family units the Alpha will come after you and so they recently were telling me that a guy a couple of weeks earlier. Shot a bore with a gun. Several times in a thing kept coming at him and he ran into his vehicle as he was trying to get away from it and if they destroyed his vehicle no get out and he kept shooting through the window. Wow that's how aggressive these ones were. They get up to like four hundred plus pounds big animal. So you know I had brought with me. But they're like they're not going to get to really make use of it because the moon cycles going to be terrible where it was. That was basically. I've mountains all around me so in the sun is basically prison so the mountains dictate it when I got some light when they took it away right and so I didn't have any moon cycle hardly at all until the very end. I finally got a little bit of full moon by then. The wolves had moved into claim my hunting area so it was kind of a desperate situation but it was a situation where. I showed you how to get out of a situation and strive twenty. One days were very Very very unhospitable environment with very bad weather and very little resources and thank God it didn't rainbow once it's sprinkled just a little bit of the rain would a came in. Addison serious hypothermic situation. And I'm not sure what I would have done now. With the heat being that high during the day in the fluctuation in temperatures the way it is was there humidity during the day. It was the humidity relatively low What would happen? Because it's the mount gap and what happens is the The it gets very hot today. But it's the hottest for today's between one and three in the afternoon roughly so all that time that h working overtime so the humidity's kicking up to because it's dry everything out and then about four or five o'clock the temperatures drop by six o'clock the Sun's going down behind the high ground and then that MRS coming in from off the mountain and then the cold temperatures come in as at that missed. It's like a fog starts to settle in on you. Okay in the wind kicks in and it's nasty. Did you use like your benefit because you got to know? The weather cycled the hottest point of the day. Like did you use that to travel from like one two three and travel earlier today I traveled me on the machine. If it's daylight I gotta take advantage of the daylight. I was out there by myself now. The little part didn't bother me in all you know wasn't like got my head or nothing because doing so much alone. Anyway Going out to the Wilderness. Doing my hiking messed up a lot of a lot of stuff solo. That didn't bother me But that have a partner around knowing I had chores no no I had to go get wood for the fire. Someone had you know had to keep the fire going how to keep all those things going on All those tasks fell on me by myself at night. I sleeping and the animals are coming in on me. You Know Me to protect my safely when I open my knife right next to me. You Know I. We were asked peers. Close knives closer because you know it just and it worked that I would sleep just enough to the fire went down and they had to get more woods the fire backup stay warm so it was precarious situation to say the least so you work during the day you know. I just can't sit around. I gotta go find calories. I gotTA figure out a way and I can only wait for my fire for hours and come back because I had a stroke or it was back to bow drilling and you could only Bo Jill between hours of about one in the afternoon three in the afternoon when the sun was the highest at this point in the in the temperature was really really hot. It's friction fire and Worcester and wind go against friction fire so I was literally out in the open. Sweating my ass off trying to make these bedroom ours. Yeah that's crazy but then you so it sounds to me like you you had to consistently allude these hogs because you really didn't have the means and in the wolves because you didn't have the means or you actually had the knowledge that if you tried to if you tried to kill one of them you're pretty much fucked so you. It was kind of like a you needed to move away whenever you encountered them right to just just at the point at the point I really came face to face in the wolves as you see the episode. Us Pretty beat down. They were everyday crude. Come in it could be are still standing there. Like what is making this guy move because I was losing the weight at but I was eating and I had a hell of a move at about a five mile trek going basically from thirty five hundred feet to fifty five hundred feet to get the hell out of there okay and I had already moved. Oh good seven miles just to get to that one camp. I was at my second gym so they had no idea what was keeps me going. But they just don't understand the kind of guy they had in their in amongst morale stayed high. I was motivated to be out there. I I was happy to be out there and I was trying to sad to be leaving. What happened in Bulgaria was it was a battle between me and Bulgaria on did not want me there for the time I got on the truck to get inserted the the truck hit a a hole. Don't me off the back? I went completely over the back of the truck and it completely on top of the crown of my head was all my way upside down. I heard the vertebrae stop them. Thinking this is just broke my neck. Holy Shit. La Dear. The truck went a little bit. Further stopped and the camera guys like mate. You'll came eight and I was like all right. Wiggle your fingers. Toes Systems Jack High. Move and catch your breath. Let's go and I stood up and he's like you still want to go on a like I didn't come halfway around the world for a little dump off a truck stop me. I'm here but that was that was an indicator that Bulgaria did not want me right. It tried to tried to kick me out that way. It tried to take my fire. It tried to take my shelter. It didn't WanNa feed me. It tried to freeze me but I wouldn't Latin. They got out of there and beat it. Yeah because it was sheer will not to go home. And what I didn't know is that the final was out there. Well I did find caught wind of it. There was a regular naked fray. Twenty one day team out there guy and a girl and apparently the guy had left the grows out there by yourself and I said look. No one should be here by themselves if she still out here when I'm done I don't care if it's a week left ten days left two weeks left. I'll go help her so they ran it up the flagpole something. It didn't work out too where I could go her. For whatever reason it was just GonNa be. She didn't think she could hang in there long enough for the to get done and get there that I brought another guy in and I just recently watched episode and all of them didn't make it no shit so four people were thrown into Bulgaria and the area there they had a nice running river with crabs and lots efficient by yourself but It did rain the one on top of that poor guy and I felt bad because I know how cold it was and I know that I could have made it through a cold with a crappy shelter and rain on. But that's Kinda cool. How they were there while you were there and you're like hey they were on another another value on the other side of the high ground or to bally's over but not you could go over and essentially help. I mean how cool is that? What are the chances that would have been really cool? Because they pick me up in this really cool rushing truck at. I look when the truck shows up. We'll finish our filming will move out shoes. Were trucking along. All I asked his a six pack of beer a couple of pieces a few cheeseburger fugate get her aides. And I'll jumping off the truck and moving. I thought that would have made a very cool episode. Now here's this girl. I come walking in say she actually burner down. The other guy came in. I would have been like. Hey what's up? So you signifier figured pack all the goodies. I had that built while was built so much stuff every day. And the trick. When you're out there isolated by yourself as keep your mind busy Have Schedule. Keep clicking have projects. Keep the mind churning. Don't get in your own head. 'cause that's when you do that you're done for just like now with this. Covert nineteen people are in their house. The climate of walls make it upside breed. So Samir this Colbert. Things been around longer than we know. I think I might have already had it because I was traveling in California back in January and I was traveling through lax. And there's you know tourist Asian tours from China all around. I was in this And I heard them talking to fans of mine for hi great man. Welcome to the. Us enjoy your time here. Whatever and like a week later shock I got pretty definitely L. I was like like a fluid will never get sick. I'm hardly ever sick at high fever. Whom coughing hacking body aches? You know a couple of times stood no. Maybe where I was at night to stop sleep. It off went to the. Va Hospital. Save with Sutton's go out. I think it's the flu. I just eat against the MEDS. They gave me like a macho cylinder. Something 'cause they said they thought it was getting in. My lungs may be halfway to bronchitis. I just didn't know and gave his too cold packs for the for the flu symptoms later and then I'm good so I don't know I had it or not have protested. Could've I'm a firm believer as woods. Guy Herd Immunity. Get GERMS. My system from foreign lands all the time your body builds up resistance to it. And that's the way we deal with these new virus common to the world if we ignore them in my opinion I know doctor. I don't know this for lack of scientists but in my opinion being out in the wild like ago you get exposed to these germs. All the time and you've got to the bias build up its own. Immune system to ingrain. Sometimes it needs high. I don't WanNa see anyone's I. It's affected personally. My friend Akeem Wall Street of his relatives. Were both from Jersey. Originally my parents. My mother's high risk Because she's had heart issues and whatever living in Bergen county which was really hard hit their outside New York City though. I have friends who they're living in Jersey where I grew up. It affects me that way. So I'm on my parents. Got Him up to the farm house in the catskill mountains stay here. It's lower infection rate right so I know of. They're not saying don't ignore it. I'm glad we did what we did to. Kind of. Quell the curve not overwhelmed. The hospitals not saying agree with all this isolation. The lockdown stuff. That's got its own civil liberties things have issue but I think what we find out the end number that this thing is what people elected than we know and the casualties which one desk in anything whether it's this thing a flu suicide drug overdose. A car accident is too many but those things happen in life. I don't want anyone grandparents dine on a little. Oh my own I he from that trying to be like ugly about this and be oh. This guy's a massive as you say I'm just saying I think. The percentage of the murder Rally Rate. We're GONNA find is less than one percent. I my opinion and we're locking down ninety eight percent of the world for two percent me. I don't know if the scales bounce right. That's just my what they've been seat me up. I don't think so. I think a lot of people agree with you and I but I think a lot of people are too afraid to say it in a in fear of backlash but let me say this. I agree with you unheard immunity. Because they're concerned now is that they are using and overusing. Antibacterial soaps and antibacterial wipes and the problem. Is We have germs on us. That are good bacteria that we need to fight disease in. If you're killing everything off of you you're making yourself essentially susceptible to other disease so you can be another big problem right. You can be a Germaphobe Ball. You want but you're actually creating more a for yourself down the road in that kind of plays into that herd immunity. Look it. Yeah I don't WanNa see a single sold digest like you. Aj but at the end of the day my my prayers on my harder for anyone been affected this. I mean I could not imagine what is to let me. Just say this right now. Salutes as I wear my flag on my head and as I fought for this country Two different wars to protect the rights of all Americans so they don't go over there and fight cavs fight here. I salute every frontline healthcare worker. Anyone that's in a hospital cleaning that place any all. The truck drivers a grocery store clerk. Absolute you know the firemen the ems the cops. Everyone out there on the front lines of the state. That's real. That's your war I salute you. I don't know what it is for one person to sit in front of someone dying of this terrible disease. It's like a bio weapon. If people drowning their old fluids that's horrible. I don't want anybody go that way. No no no in the more we can save for having a death that way. Gosh please so I'm I'm okay with the sacrifice back. If we can keep people from having to go on facetime like this to tell their loved ones goodbye they gave color loved ones. Goodbye that's heartbreaking. It's horrible it kills me and then for some healthcare workers got to be the person to to to be in front of that person to tell them goodbye at. I can't imagine man. This is a terrible thing that the Chinese are put on us. And don't you forget for a second that they did it? You know you WANNA be mad at somebody about this thing. Built by Damn Single Chinese product degreed whip them. The Bird married Joachim Wilhelm. Strong more more because they knew what they were doing. In my opinion well the more likely medically. Yeah and they thought they were going to get one up on us. But we're America as much. I wear the flag going to give it to you back man. We're GONNA come back stronger and better but we cannot let the disease cripple us. Let our economy think right the the effects on mental health and everything that comes from the as they say the curate we can have the Kirby worst disease and what's the cause so it's a balancing act. I commend all the public officials. The president all the health got the smart health people that are working in the rising him into all the governors and the mayors across this country. That are you know trying to handle the situation? I do not envy you. You have my full heart prayers and support and a sloop all of us well. This is a tough thing that the whole world's gone through but our country especially as were really getting beat by what not be taking us. All right I'm up by soapbox well what scares me. The most isn't so much the corona virus at this point. It's how the fuck we're going to get out of it. We have millions in millions of workers. Unemployed right now. Millions herbal we have millions and millions of small businesses. That doors are shuttered right now. We have millions of elderly and senior citizens right now that have cove it. We don't have morgues for them. We have so many problems we have. Problems are not hardware. They've ramped up all this shit in New York right. They built hospitals and all this and they brought in. Us US NS comfort. Didn't need it up so that got taken out so you have hospitals that they brought in people for that. They paid for that. They didn't need to and then you have hospitals. That are almost shutting their doors across the country because he will go to a hospital because they're afraid of getting covert so how many of these procedures put on hold. They called elective surgeries. That somebody Coulda went. Found that they had cancer is a cancer stick to people from me and they missed their appointment to see if they get to their tumor. Check down up now. They'RE STAGE FOR. It's too late now lose that. Perhaps though there's cause-effect is third and fourth quarters effect with all this thing right and our our leaders were on their ass. They didn't think about it. They didn't prepare properly and this goes administrations back. Not just this year. I blame the one before big time. And the one before that as well and you could even go as far's into the nineties because you have to have a foresight to see this twenty years ahead of rain the properly plan for and what they do with all the money we towards the. Stop we assimilation. Should be absolutely infuriated with how this in some ways was handled. Several administrations back. They all have blame. Noah goes without blame on this thing but blames not where we need to be right. Right now is find solutions. Get answers and unemployment is a terrible situation. It's GonNa it's GonNa you know we've got people get more money now than when they were working deduct dozen. It doesn't entice people to get off our well. The big the big argument that I've heard recently as you have a central workers that are working making what they normally work or making what they normally make. But then you have other employees that are laid off that our home making more than the essentials employees that are working in essentially a hazard situation. So you're telling people that are not essential to go home in. We're GONNA pay you more than we're GONNA pay these healthcare workers over here but the healthcare workers gotta work should be getting. They should be getting combat. Pay Just like we get in the military for hazard pay because they are dearly literally putting their lives on the line for us and they should be commended. They should all receive some sort of three to medal of some sort orig- her hero's medal from from the government. Yeah absolutely every one of them. There's volunteers putting themselves on the lights of this people. Feed in everybody but we cannot let it scare us to a point of life and not get back to normal life. I just put on you. How much could miss you know? I missed you know just going into a restaurant and having a draft ear. Yeah and a glass or having sit down for a regular meal people all around here and the noise is washing sports. Drink drinking a coffee and the you know Just going into a score. Look for some close by such shirt or something. We talked about it on our last episode with you. People crave human connection like we had discussed with you being out in a survival situation alone can have a big mental impact on you because you need that human interaction in. What did you say three or four days? You start to actually go mental. No NO NO LAWS. Three say honestly it can be sure it depends on the individual but By the studies. It's no more than three months. Okay Day so what was aftermath. Point if you haven't come up with some kind of a system or routine keep saying whether it's a game or an activity like I said routines. Keep your brain work at projects huge brain work and I know you get mad about projects but that's rich keeps your mind off the situation But after that you know manager communal species we need humans those endorphins the touching now what elbow smack I mean? Come on now. There's a reason we handshake is when you touch another human beings hand shake that electricity here goes from one hand to the other when we hug at that settles things it amongst individuals. That's that makes you feel great. You need those endorphins to keep yourself sane. Some people crack sooner than others. Yeah but it is A. We're getting so far away from being socially interact between social media's and all this other stuff it's great tool but it's double double edged short and you know I you know I go to to hike in his people. Oh I'm talking. Archer stood six feet away. What's your master on was got a scarlet letter on my head. You know me I know you. I don't know you want WanNa be safe. We don't know each other. What come on people were taken us a little too far. I get social distancing. The six foot thing. We'll everybody else's wearing a mass awad. I gotta work. If they're if they're sick put it on. I get it. I don't you know if I breathe it in it. Didn't it's my choice. And then what happens? It happened. So they're going to get everybody else sick so why stay in the woods. Well the other way about listening to the squirrels are there the Fisher they are. I think they're relatively. I think there's some confusion there though too because if you're six foot away from a person you're not going to expose them whether wearing a mask or not either saying what they're saying even if you sneeze or cough. That six foot is a sufficient distance. So if you're walking with Thirteenth Sleep. I don't know I know I cough to my hands. I promised to wash and we put a wreck but I mean as long as were. Let's call thirteen feet then as long as you're thirteen feet away from somebody and you don't have a mask then. No needs to worry but the problem is I mean. I'm driving past people I know. So you have a no brainer driving. Pass people the fucking road. That are wearing masks in their car in their car. Like what are you doing or three jogging or riding a bicycle mask on your outside the sunlight the wind's GonNa blow it away. You're not in close quarters situation. I so I think people are overdoing it and being over protective in their life but yet with rubber gloves on your mask you going into grocery store touching all the products and you touching the Hutch. Handle the cart. And you're doing this and then you go in your car all the germs wheel. You GonNa love you people. 'cause you thought your go on your hands you try not your steering wheel right. You'll have their steering wheels. They're going to want to clean up. Yeah so but I know we're coming down to the end here but Let me just tell you for years you. That aren't food. Shortages go to my website. Jay Snyder Dot com and you click on the link and I got a A new dehydrated food out. That is nutritious. All natural no preservatives made at the highest quality takes way better than all those the other dehydrated meals. 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Ruth Snyder Pt. 1

Crimes of Passion

40:34 min | 10 months ago

Ruth Snyder Pt. 1

"Due to the graphic nature of these crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of violence that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen. Albert Snyder wove across the living room through the crowd of party gas until he found an unoccupied chair to sit in. He listened to the excitement incitement around him the laughing the music and the card playing but he had no desire to join in on the fun he was having enough trouble trying to keep the room from spinning. He hadn't intended on getting drunk. He was trying to be careful last time he drank like this. He'd woken up the next morning to find his wallet missing. That was the problem with the sort of parties. His wife dragged him to. They always lead to trouble. Albert grunted as his wife Ruth pushed yet another glass of bootleg whiskey into his hands. He I noticed she didn't have a drink of her own. which was strange? It wasn't like route to stay sober when everyone else was indulging. He trying to push the drink away but ruth insisted. She said she wasn't feeling well. And Albert might as well have her share as he molded over over. Ruth smiled stroked his head and called him her baby lamb Albert balked. She never acted this way at home he sent. She was hiding something but it was late and his mind swimming. He decided to let it go and take the drink. Women were inscrutable. His wife. Most of all it was a waste of time trying to figure her out. Whatever she was scheming he worry about it tomorrow as Albert drink deeply a triumphant smirk crossed? Ruth's face again enact him. She had something on her mind and Albert felt certain it was nothing good. Hi I'm Lena. Hobbs and this is crimes of passion in a podcast. Original the legal definition of a crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore how passionate relationships sometimes lead us to criminal activity. How does a husband and wife if become killer and victim or killer and Co conspirator if there's a thin line between love and hate what manipulates our relationships into deadly results? You can find episodes of crimes of passion and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream crimes of passion for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type crimes of passion in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners owners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening? It really does help this week. We're covering the unhappy marriage between Ruth and Albert Snyder. Ruth loved bright lights dancing and crowds. She was perfectly suited for the revelry of the Roaring Twenty S. Unfortunately she married a man who rarely wanted to do anything more than sit at home and smoke a pipe by nineteen twenty. Five Ruth was looking for respite from the tedium of her marriage and she founded in a handsome salesman named Henry. Judd Judd Gray next week will explore how things went downhill culminating in a nineteen ninety-seven crime that created a media. Circus arcus inspired books and movies and lead to one of the most famous tabloid photos in American history. Route Snyder was born meany. Ruth Brown in the upper west side side of Manhattan New York. Her birthdate is sometimes listed as eighteen. Ninety one but other records indicate she was born in eighteen ninety five. It's it's possible. She later lied about her age. When reporting to the New York state census? But for this episode the stages will be based on the eighteen. Ninety five birthdate. Eight routes parents Harry and Josephine Brown working class. Immigrants from Norway Sweden. Her father was a carpenter and and her mother was a nurse. Routes early childhood was plagued by health issues. She had intestinal surgery at the age of six. And then a botched appendectomy to me at age twelve. The surgery caused her so many problems that she had to have a second corrective operation when she was eighteen. These health issues may have left ruth with lasting psychological scars before a continue with roots psychology. Please note that I am not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist. But I have done a lot of research for the show. According to a University of if Sussex steady chronic childhood illness is linked to mental health problems later in life psychologist in senior researcher. Dr Doria glycine stated our results show that childhood chronic physical illness was significantly associated with adult depression in the total sample of more than forty five. Two thousand participants. We studied. Despite her health complications. Ruth attended school until the eighth grade. Some stories suggest that she dropped out to look for work. It may be that. Her family needed the extra income but other reports offer different reason for her early departure from education. According to the newspaper The American Ruth had an affair with teacher when she was fifteen years old. She then became jealous of another female emails student in the teacher's class. The tension between the two girls eventually erupted into a physical fight on campus. If this account is true ruth may have been expelled or she may have left school to avoid embarrassment in the wake of the scandal after dropping out rookie job as an operator for the New York Telephone Company. She had been working there a few years when one morning in nineteen in fourteen she placed a call from the office of a man named Albert Schneider but the call was apparently misdirected. Did Albert be rated Ruth for the mistake and hung up the phone but he perhaps felt bad about losing his temper. He called Ruth back a few moments later to apologize. The pair talked for a few minutes and then Albert invited Ruth to come and visit him. He said he might have a job opportunity unity for her album. Schneider must have been an impressive man to ruth. He was thirty two years old thirteen years older than ruth and he made a good living as an editor with motor boating magazine. He was well educated and cultured having graduated from the Pratt Institute two two with a degree in art and graphic design after they met. He said he could help her get a secretarial job at the magazine office. This was a step up from the New York Telephone Company and Ruth Happily accepted once they began working in the same building. Their relationship relationship turned flirtatious. It's not clear why Albert's singled out. Perhaps he was lonely. He had been engaged before but his fiancee say had died of pneumonia. Two years later Albert still kept scrapbooks filled with Jesse's photographs and wore a pin inscribed with her initials and yet Albert seemed eager to pursue ruth. She was after all tall blonde attractive and receptive to to his advances. That was enough to spark a relationship. Albert took root out too fancy downtown restaurants and shows within a few months month's around Christmas of Nineteen Fourteen Albert proposed. Ruth declined this first proposal but continued to go on dates with with him a few months later on routes birthday Albert tried again. This time he brought a diamond ring hidden inside a box of chocolates. Ruth accepted and four months later. They were married but not everyone. Approved moved of the match. Albert's sister felt she married above her station. We knew none of her friends. She and they were on a different social plane from us. They weren't are kind of people. We only tolerated her for Albert Sake. The couple moved to a house else in Bay Ridge Brooklyn. Ruth found that once they were married Albert was much less interested in fancy Manhattan dinners or feeder outings. He preferred staying close to home working in his garden or on home improvement projects in his workshop. When he did go out it was usually on? His boat wrote a cabin cruiser named Jesse g after his late fiance. The name bothered ruth or obvious reasons and she eventually persuaded him to rename rename. The Boat Ruth. It was far from the only difficulty couple encountered while settling into married life. Ruth loved animals and wanted to fill the house with pets but when she got a dog Albert meter get rid of it she was also eager to have a family family whereas Albert had no interest in children. Ruth reportedly suffered from a condition that made it difficult to get pregnant however her she secretly sought out medical treatment to correct the problem. She evidently neglected to tell Albert of her plans to have children and when she became became pregnant in one thousand nine hundred sixteen he was furious. He was even more upset when she gave birth to a girl. Instead of a boy on November Fifteenth Nineteen. Seventeen Ruth was delighted with their daughter whom they named Lorraine but thirty five year. Old Albert seemed increasingly Singley Moody and temperamental as he adjusted to his new role as a father. Nevertheless with a new baby in their lives lives the couple relocated to a bigger house in Queens village. When routes mother died in nineteen twenty her mother whom they called Granny Brown moved into to the Snyder? Spare bedroom to help ruth take care of Little Lorraine Albert continue to earn a good living at motor boating magazine providing his family with a comfortable double life but the couple argued frequently. Granny Brown leader said that Albert was to Glum for her energetic and fun loving daughter he complained that ruth wasn't domestic enough. She was too wild ruth. Meanwhile didn't think her tastes. Were wild they were just modern by the early nineteen twenty s many urban women were embracing the flapper lifestyle and ruth. Didn't WanNa Miss out roots. Neighbors said that she eagerly made friends all around her neighborhood. Ed As one newspaper described Ruth went to bridge parties and was happy carefree. She drank a little smoke. dolittle danced a little people. People said routes lots of fun. Let's have our over and the added. But Albert's kind of a stick. Albert wasn't just gloomy he could would be bad tempered and vicious according to one account when a neighborhood boy hit a baseball through the Snyder's window out chase the boy home and beat the child with his fists. On other occasions Albert screamed his daughter Lorraine rain when she behaved as a typical toddler. He also complained about ruth spending habits and frequently compared her unfavorably to his late Fiance Jesse Esi he even hung the dead woman's photograph on their bedroom wall. It didn't take long. After Lorraine's birth for the affection between Ruthin Albert to completely evaporate. They shared the same house but live separate lives. Their incompatibility seemed insurmountable. And both I grew bitter as the years went on ruth lay in bed and stare vacantly at the ceiling ealing. She tried to find the will to get up and make breakfast but it wouldn't come. She heard Albert in the yard outside working on one of his projects objects. Perhaps he was building a bird bath for the garden or mending an old cabinet. It didn't really matter as long as it kept him busy and turned away from her. She hoped he spent the whole day. Out there ruth little wave of self pity wash over her every day. A brought a new round of unpleasantness. There was hardly any joy in life. It seemed to ruth a terrible punishment this dole existence. It's empty of pleasure. She felt certain that she had never done anything to deserve this. Unless marrying the wrong man counted as a soon but whatever she had done wrong she was apparently condemned to pay the price for the rest of her life or the rest of. Albert's Albert's the thought meet her WANNA give up and die right there in bed in one thousand nine hundred twenty five. After ten years of marriage thirty year old ruth breath was miserable but if she wanted alimony and custody of her daughter. Ruth had to prove depraved cruelty or adultery. On Albert's part hurt. She had no evidence he was having an affair and his behavior didn't meet the standards for cruelty at the time. She felt she had few options. So she put up with Albert and tried to look for happiness elsewhere in June of nineteen twenty five if she finally found it. Sometime that month ruth went to Manhattan to have lunch with some friends including a salesman named Harry. Fulsome awesome while they dined. A friend of Harry's walked into the restaurant his name was judd. Gray when Harry spotted judd. He called him over to join the party. The group aid and drink into the afternoon as the hours passed. Roots friends drifted out soon. The only people left at the table were ruth and judd. He eventually had to leave to get back to work but he made it clear that he hoped to see ruth again. Ruth thought back on her unsatisfying life in Queens village edge and decided she had nothing to lose and taking him up on his invitation. When we return routes roots marriage deteriorates even further as she in judd embark on a secret affair? Need more more time to bend over the holidays. We've got you covered. Par cast has re released episodes upon episodes of your favorite shows all available to listen to right. Now that means forty seven historical figures episodes fifty five conspiracy theories episodes and a whopping one hundred and thirty four unsolved of murders episodes are available and ready to be heard plus there are dozens of episodes from shows like serial killers female criminals colts and more. And here's the best part. You don't even need to do anything. These episodes are already in your feet. Plus you can still hear new episodes of crimes compassion every Wednesday. Thanks again for your incredible support of podcast. You can check out more. podcast shows on spotify by searching for podcast in the spotify on if I search bar or by going to spotify dot com slash podcast now back to the story in one thousand nine hundred twenty five thirty year old ruth. Snyder felt trapped in an unhappy. Be Marriage to forty three year old Albert Snyder. She was searching for a distraction when she met thirty-three-year-old Henry Judd Gray that summer the pair hit it off immediately like ruth. Judd was outgoing and sociable. But also like Ruth Judd had been married Mary ten years he lived with his wife Isabel and their nine year old daughter in Orange New Jersey. Though he didn't spend a lot of time at home he worked as a traveling salesman for Benjamin Jones company an upscale lingerie and undergarment purveyor. Even when he wasn't traveling his job often required him to spend late nights out in retaining clients at restaurants and nightclubs. Judd enjoyed this part out of the job but his wife was less enthusiastic. Isabelle seemed content to limit their socializing playing bridge or going to country club events. John's flashing lifestyle was at odds with his wife's more reserved nature. So in Judd met Ruth. He found someone more his speed soon after their first lunch together Judd went back out on the road and Ruth went with her family on summer holiday to shelter island. But it wasn't long before the two reconnected. According to Ruth the family vacation to shelter island island was a disaster. She said Albert's bad temper flared and he got into a fistfight with a friend embarrassed wreath decided to cut the trip. Sure and return to their home in Queens. She was furious at Albert for ruining the holiday and was more eager than ever to get away from him in August. She attended a party held by her friend. Harry folsom and found Judd Gray. Also in attendance. He was back from his sales trip. Ruth was pleased to see him and they spent the evening chatting later as they stroll toward Penn station. Judd invited her to stop at his office. This she was in no rush to get home to Albert so she agreed alone and Judd's office. He offered to give her a corset from his sales line. According to Judd route slid out of her dress so that she could try the course it on as he helped her lease up the garment. He noticed her shoulders had been sunburned sunburned from her trip to the beach. He offered some lotion to suit them. The gesture seemed very romantic to ruth who was still seething about her husband's spends loutish insensitive behavior that night she enjoyed had sex. It was the beginning of a passionate love affair from then on. They took every opportunity to see each other during his busiest. CSL's months judd frequently booked a room at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel so that he could entertain clients in the city without having to return to New Jersey in the early hours hours of the morning soon. This hotel room became a secret. Love Nascar trysts with Ruth. The pair spent long afternoons having sex six followed by outings to the theatre or two rooftop garden parties when describing the details of their encounters. Judd later said I don't remember remember very much about it. I was very intoxicated. When Judd left town for extended periods to go on sales trips he always left his schedule with Ruth? They exchanged phone calls and letters during his time away sometimes multiple letters a day. Judd address. These letters to Mrs Jane Grey Ruth Gave Her postmen specific instructions to make sure every letter containing this address when street straight to her and not her husband. She unabashedly told the Post men that she didn't want her husband to see the letters because they were from her boyfriend. It wasn't only the postman who knew about the relationship beyond hiding the affair from Albert. Ruth didn't seem ashamed of it at all. She the introduced judd to her friends. Her mother and even her daughter seven-year-old Lorraine referred to him as Uncle Judd. She later remembered him as ask the man who gave her candy and gave her mother Nice presents. A contrast from her gloomy father roots seem to have little trouble fitting the affair fair into her life at times if roots mother was not available to watch lorraine she simply brought the girl with her to the Waldorf Astoria Hotel while she injured were in the room together. Lorraine amused herself by writing. The elevators up and down roots mother accepted the affair fair although she occasionally admonished her daughter that it didn't look right but ruth wasn't worried about what other people thought. Judd made her happy three and she was thrilled to celebrate. Her new. Love root skipped giddily down the street toward the train station. She pictured the evening ahead of her chill drinks and a cabaret with judd by her side the whole night. She practically felt tipsy already. You what a difference a nice young man could make. She could hardly believe her luck. She finally had the life she was always meant to have. Why shouldn't she have fun? She was young and filled with energy. It would be a shame to waste all that on an old crab like her husband who had never are really appreciated her but it wasn't just about the good time. Compared to Albert Judd was a dream and gentleman he never shouted at her lost his temper. He let her talk about all her problems and he actually listened she thought it was the most wonderful feeling feeling in the world being cared for and loved and treated like she mattered. If only she could have that every day. Maybe someday she would but for now she treasure. Those sporadic nights the music the caresses the laughter. In trying to forget the Dole life life waiting for her when the fun was over Ruth enjoyed confiding in Judd in one letter she he wrote to him about her cousin Ethel Anderson who was also unhappily married. Ethel was trying to bribe young women into flirting with her husband. She wanted to entrap him into having an affair so she could use the evidence of adultery to procure an easy divorce. Route seemed delighted by her cousins Ingenuity Witty as her affair. With judd progressed. She put more and more thought into how she might escape her own marriage. Meanwhile her relationship with Albert remained deeply strained. They often argued about money. Financial stress can be a common source of marital strain rain. A steady by Suntrust Bank found that thirty five percent of participants named money as the primary troublespot with their partner. With the Snyder's there's also argued about ruth staying out late and about how to raise their daughter Ruth one descend eight-year-old Lorraine to a convent boarding in school and she even briefly got door to door sales job with dental supply company to earn money for the tuition but Albert wanted to keep Lorraine in at home and refused to consider the idea of boarding school. Ruth was tired of it. She couldn't stop thinking about how much easier it would be. If he were on her own. She wanted the freedom to live her life as she pleased she was determined to have that freedom no matter what one afternoon in November of nineteen twenty five ruth heard a knock at at the front door and discovered an insurance salesman on her front stoop. Ruth was always friendly with salesman and invited him inside. She said she was is interested in buying insurance but ask the salesman to come back later and give his pitch to her husband. She also had another request. She asks a salesman salesman if he could get her husband to sign a blank policy form. She was unsure how much they would want the policy to cover. She planned to fill in the details of the policy later leader once they came to an agreement on the final amount the salesman was happy to oblige. He returned later in the week and convinced Albert to sign China Blink Policy Application the next day ruth called the sales mental. Let him know that Albert had made a decision. He wanted to purchase riches of fifty thousand dollar policy. It contained an indemnity clause that paid out double in the event of a death by Misadventure Ruth Truth was listed as the beneficiary with the insurance policy in place. Ruth stood to gain as much as one hundred thousand dollars. In the event event of her husband's accidental death. The amount would be worth nearly one point five million dollars today Albert likely. We had no idea ruth had taken out such large policy on his life just as she had done with. Judd's Love Letters. She gave instructions to the postmen to hand and over any envelopes from the insurance company directly to her so that Albert wouldn't see them. Ruth paid the premiums on the policy. The herself even though the expense cost more than half of the weekly allowance Albert gave her to run the household. She figured the cost would be worth the eventual. We'll pay out with the policy in place. Ruth began to think less about how to get a divorce and more about how to become a widow when we return ruthin judd concocted deadly plot to get rid of. Albert's Snyder now back to the story in late nineteen twenty five thirty thirty year old. Ruth Snyder was deeply infatuated with her new lover. thirty-three-year-old Judd Gray. The affair made her all the more eager to be free of her dreary husband. forty-three year old Albert Snyder. After she secured a large insurance policy on her husband's life she had all the more reason to look forward to his demise in fact she seemed ready to engineer his death herself. According according to Albert's family roots first attempt on her husband's life occurred in July of one thousand nine hundred twenty six on a warm summer day Albert was taking a nap in the Living Room Granny Brown was out with Lorraine and ruth left the house to run errands not long after she went out Albert woke. Oh God feeling sick and gagging. The house was filled with gas fumes. He stumbled outside gasping for fresh air when Ruth returned to find him in the garden. She acted horrified. She claimed that as she passed the living room heater she he accidentally kicked the gas tube. Free of the Living Room Wall on her way out the door but it didn't seem like an accident. Albert's sister said that later later the trying to kick the gas to free of the wall and couldn't do it. They thought ruth must have yanked it out on purpose by some accounts. Ruth also made several attempts to poison Albert by pudding by chloride of mercury tablets. In his drinks telling him they would cure his chronic hiccups. The pills didn't kill Albert. The only made him vomit but since hiccups did in fact go away. He apparently apparently didn't question his wife's treatment when poison didn't work ruth reportedly tried to guess Albert again in early nineteen twenty seven. Then she wants more use the excuse that she had kicked the gas tube as she was leaving the house she came home yet again to find him gasping in the street complaining that he had almost as fixated leader at a party with his family members. Albert made an offhand remark about out how close his wife had come to widowhood however he appeared to be joking for whatever reason it didn't occur to him that his wife might actually actually be trying to kill him perhaps because they were ordinary middle-class people living in ordinary middle class life. In Albert's Brits Mundane World Wives complained about their husbands in rare cases. They might even divorce them but they didn't kill them though. The idea might seem absurd according to evolutionary psychologists David Bus. Almost anyone can be capable of murder. Dr Dr Busek said that murder fantasies are incredibly common. In a study of five thousand individuals. He found that eighty four percent of women and ninety ninety one percent of men had at least one clear fantasy about committing murder Dr bus stated though we like to think that murderers are either pathological misfits or hardened criminals the vast majority of murders are committed by people who until the day they kill seem perfectly quickly normal perfectly normal just like roots Snyder but she was serious about killing her husband and she would not be deterred when Ruth could engineer. Albert's death on our own. She turned a judge for help sometime in February they met for a date at the waldorf-astoria they drink heavily. Billy and ruth lamented the state of her marriage. Crying to judd about everything that had gone wrong. She told Chad her arguments. It's with Albert. Were worse than ever before even saying that whenever Albert lost his temper he threatened to kill her. She was also losing too much money every month. Paying her husband's insurance premiums at some point Albert was sure to find out and he'd be furious. Ruth felt she was running out of time to get rid of her husband. She was desperate for Judd's advice at some point that night. The formulated pleaded plan. They decided ruth would render Albert unconscious. I giving judd the chance to sneak in the house and kill him on March fourth. Nineteen twenty seven judd. Gray went to a hardware store and purchased a window sash. Wait an eighteen inch steel bar about the size of rolling pin weighing about five pounds. He also purchased chloroform and some cotton rags. Judd leader said they planned to execute execute the murderer that evening but when he arrived at the Snyder House he and ruth got cold feet and cried like babies full nerves. Blue told John to go on home but within a few weeks another opportunity came ruth wrote to John and told him that she and Albert were going to a party on Saturday march nineteenth. They were going to bring their daughter nine year old lorraine with with them while they were away the house would be empty. Because Ruth's mother plan to be away on a nursing job. It would be easy for Jad to sneak into the house and wait for Ruth. And Albert's return. Ruth expected that after the party Albert would be drunk invulnerable. It would be the perfect moment and to pull off the crime. Judd agreed and went to work setting up an alibi. On Friday afternoon Judd Gray took a train to Syracuse in upstate. New York that evening he checked into the hotel Onondaga and spent the night there the following morning on Saturday march nineteenth. He spoke to clients over the phone on Saturday afternoon. He had lunch with a friend hand and asked for a favor. He said that he had plans to meet up with a girlfriend in Albany. He didn't want his wife or employer to find out and so he asked his friend go to his hotel room. Post a few letters mess up the bed so that it looks slept in and place a do not disturb sign on the hotel room door that way nobody would guess at he'd ever left Syracuse. The friend didn't mind lending a hand with his cooperation. Listen Judd felt certain that he had an airtight alibi. By every appearance John remained at the Onondaga hotel for the entire night in reality. Judd Gray spent that Saturday evening on a train riding back to New York. City Routes Snyder was is ready for his return as planned. The Snyder family went out Saturday night to a neighbor's burs Bridge Party other attendees later recalled that Ruth acted very affectionately toward her husband that night Albert founded strange even commenting minting that. She didn't treat him that well at home neighbors also remembered that ruth refused to drink much that night. She said she felt sick and told the the host to give her share of the drinks to Albert. Albert seemed ready and willing to overindulge around midnight while Albert Ruth Anne Lorraine still at the Party Judd arrived at the Snyder House. Ruth had left the door unlocked for him and he crept inside. Judd climbed the stairs to Granny Brown's room. He went inside where he found a bottle of whisky lying on the bed and he began to drink it. It helped him pass the time as he waited for the Snyder's return around two o'clock in the morning. The Snyder niners left the party and made their way back home. Ruth trying to keep her breathing steady as they approached the house house. She was already worried. Her husband's suspected something. If she could just get through the next few hours everything would be alright. When she got inside roots voice trembled as she told Lorraine to hurry to bed? She helped the girl into her pajamas hoping hoping her daughter was too tired to notice how her hands were shaking. According to the plan judge should already be inside the house. Ruth knew he must be waiting in the room next door probably feeling as nervous as she was unless something had gone wrong perhaps he had gotten cold feet again perhaps he was still upstate. She shook those thoughts out of her mind and left her daughter's room. She paused in front of Greeny Brown room making sure the hallway was clear before opening the door so far she was safe. She heard her husband in the master bedroom. Getting undressed oblivious. She poked her head into Granny Brown's room and there was judd waiting for her like a loyal dog. Ruth gave a quick nervous. Smile down the hall. She she heard. Albert's settling into bed. He didn't suspect a thing. Ruth was suddenly flooded with an overpowering certainty. It was either going to happen tonight or never. It was time to make a decision. Thanks again for tuning into crimes of Passion Ashen. We will be back Wednesday with part two of Ruth Snyder Story. We'll see the aftermath of Ruthin Judd's plot and the media circus that followed you can find more episodes of crimes of passion and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music. Are you sick Banal spotify making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like crimes of passion for free from your phone desktop or smart mart speaker to stream crimes of passion on spotify. Just open the APP in type crimes of passion and the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time. When True Love Means to crime crimes of passion was created by Max Cutler and his podcast studios original executive producers? Include Max and Ron Cutler sound designed by Trent Williamson with production assistance by Ron Shapiro and Carly Matt in this. This episode of Crimes Of Passion was written by Christina Tammy's with writing assistance by drew Cole. I'm laney hubs.

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Exploring the Exposome

Science Update Podcast - Daily Edition

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"Mapping our exposure to microbes into chemicals. I'm Bob Hershon and this is science update. We spend our lives in an invisible ocean of bacteria, chemicals, pollen and other airborne material, both living and non living scientists to study at like Stanford researcher, Michael Snyder call at the expose home who are trying to get much more complete and accurate picture of what people are exposed to. And we think all of that will be very, very powerful for understanding how that impacts our health in the journal cell. He and his colleagues report outfitting fifteen volunteers with devices that sniff out biological agents like bacteria and chemical ones like pesticides, they catalogued thousands of microbes and chemicals that varied based on geography and lifestyle Snyder says, the next step is to outfit thousands of volunteers with the devices to discover how this exposure effects health. I'm Bob Hershon for triple a. s. the science society.

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One True Pairing

24:04 min | 2 years ago

BONUS! Introducing a New True Crime Show, Case Closed

"It's up OTP listeners Morrison Eric are here with a super special quick update for you. So you all know that we are part of network of shows called McMillan podcasts. They're taking over the world. And our network is making new shows all the time. And today, we're going to give you a sneak preview of one that is called case closed ever knows how true crime is. So hot right now. But literally every room crime show ends without a resolution. So in this show, you get that sweet sweet resolution, which for me is super important. So this show was kind of the best. The first season covers the murder of rusty Snyder men, this guy was taking his under preschool got out of his car and was shot four times in broad daylight. It's fucking wild really the tale of love less and what really pushes someone over the edge. I think you guys will love it. The host is one of our faves here at Saint Martin's Charlie Spicer, Charlie has literally been publishing true crime books for thirty three years, aka. Longer than Marissa's been alive. He is V expert on this stuff coming up. You're going to hear episode one of his show. Now, if you liked the show, you can listen to the rest exclusively on Stitcher premium and for a free month of Stitcher premium, go to Stitcher premium dot com slash case closed and use promo code true like one true pairing Hobie lesson and enjoy. In a sleepy Georgia suburb in an average parking lot on an average day. Rusty Snyder men brought his son Ian into preschool. It was a Chris November morning leafless trees stood against the gray sky. All was quiet until four shots Pierce the silence. Has rusty Snyder men lay dying on the asphalt a bearded man in the silver minivan sped away. What follows is the true account of rusty's death who killed rusty. And why was it a robbery a hit job or something more sinister? My name is Charlie Spicer, and this is case closed. Charlie is a guy who can find a story that will grab you by the throat and not let you go until you finish the last page. We do look upon him as an authority not only within the company, but also within the industry in terms are true crime, Charlie has a love of the dark underbelly of the soul is this. Cheerful Chipper happy looking guy, but it's just really fun to discuss true crime with him because he gets kind of so delighted by the devious things people do. It's true. I do have an obsession with to crime. I love the stories and the characters and learning about their motivations. I'm an executive editor, and I've been publishing crime since I began here, which is thirty three years ago. So a long time a few years ago, I was approached by journalist and Pulitzer nominated author Michael fleekerman with the Snyder case he went on to write the book crazy for you. Which makes up the bulk of the story you're about to hear Gary tied him in will be narrating, and I'll be jumping in pivotal moments with some thoughts and direction think of me as your true crime guide throughout this series. So let's get into the story we start and Dunwoody Georgia a suburb of Atlanta, it's mid November in two thousand ten this is the kind of neighborhood where you'd expect to see women power walking down tree lined sidewalks. There's a shopping center in the heart of Dunwoody. It has a barber shop a post office. And among other things a preschool this neighborhood like so many in the suburbs is sleepy with very little crime. That is until the day of rusty's murder. And so we begin here on that day. We begin at an ending. Shortly before nine AM on Thursday, November eighteenth twenty ten a silver Infinity g thirty five pulled into the shopping center and came to a stop next to a red brick wall in front of the Dunwoody. Prep preschool, Russell rusty Snyder men thirty six years old boyish-looking with glasses had his three year old son, Ian strapped in the car seat in the back. The preschool run had become the morning routine ever since rusty lost his job and his wife. Andrea took her first full time employment in the corporate world. Andrea usually took their five year old daughter so FIA to kindergarten on the way to her office at GE, energy and Marietta later in the day rusty would pick up both in an so FIA and takes feta ballet and between. He would squeeze in work on a voicemail company. He was trying to start up. Rusty brought in to his classroom and returned to his car his schedule this day called for an eleven thirty AM meeting with a potential business partner based on his casual dress. It appeared that rusty had plans to make the short drive back to his large house on mango court and change clothes. By all accounts. Rusty never saw the silver mini van following him into the parking lot. And if he did it didn't mean enough for him to do anything about it, nor did he seem to recognize the driver bearded man in a hoodie sweatshirt who had waited behind the wheel until rusty emerged from the school. Rusty opened his car door and the bearded man approached if they exchanged words, nobody heard it without any apparent warning or provocation, the man pointed a handgun at rusty's head the gun was large and chrome plated the morning sun glinting off the polished surface. Four times the men pulled the trigger. Did you hear that fifty yards across the parking lot? Craig Cole Meyer chiropractor with a practice down the street and his wife Elise. Starter were standing outside the post office to buy stamps when they heard four popping sounds from the direction of the Dunwoody prep preschool and saw the silver minivan a man was casually walking toward it. Call Meyer would later say. The man stood medium height between five foot nine and five eleven and wore blue jeans, he turned and stared at the couple in his hand was the silver gun. The man started the van but struggled to get it in reverse the gears grinding as if he were unfamiliar with how to operate the vehicle the van jerked away and peeled out of the parking lot the tire. Screeching raced down the street made a u-turn then continued on mount Vernon road into the rush hour traffic on the pavement next to silver luxury car a man lay dying. Inside dunwoody. Prep school assistant calling McNulty had taken six three year olds from classroom to the playground on the other side of the brick wall. When she saw a flock of birds take flight, a fraction of a second later. She heard loud noises foreign succession. Peering over the wall to the parking lot McNulty saw a minivan race away and several people gathered over a man on the ground with blood pouring from his head. She recognized him as rusty Snyder. Men apparent Husan, Ian, attended the preschool and whose daughter Sophia had been a student of few years previously McNulty ushered the children back into the classroom and tried to dial nine one one on her cell phone, but got busy signals. She told another teacher to go into the office and call for help. In the office. Donna for motto at I thought it was a bad joke. She went outside to find a crowd gathering around prone man with what she later described as very gray skin with somebody attending to the man for Mato went back inside the school. An office worker told her the victim was in Snyder men's dead rusty for motto pulled, the family emergency contact information card and dial to work number for Ian, mother. Andrea Snyder men. The nine one one call was related by the dispatcher at the DeKalb county emergency call center to the patrol car of Dunwoody. Police department officer Brian Tate, somehow the details of the incident had gotten garbled. The dispatcher initially sent him to the Rb RBC Bank in the Dunwoody village shopping center for what was described as an armed robbery Tate. Sped to the shopping center a minute later. The dispatcher changed the call to a person being shot at Dunwoody prep in the same mall. Tate arrived in just two minutes Elliott starter flagged him down and directed him toward the entrance to the school as he got out of his patrol car. He could hear the siren from the approaching paramedic. Within seconds emergency medical technician road. Berkeley from the DeKalb county. Fire and rescue was on the scene. It was about nine fifteen m when the phone rang that Andrea Snyder men's desk, I told her something had happened at the school that Ian was okay. And that she needed to come to the school right away. For motto would later say for motto said nothing about people hearing gunshots or having seen the ashen faced rusty who was Andrea's husband. She didn't want to alarm Andrea any more than necessary presuming she'd be driving to the school. Andrea started screaming into the phone. She demanded more information at something happened to rusty for Mata refused to say more until Andrea got their Andrea ran out of her office down to the parking lot and drove off in her black SUV along the way she made a number of calls on her cell phone. She called her parents telling them that she was on her way to the daycare center. She also called her brother with the same message her parents and her brother all live nearby and would meet her. She also called rusty's father. Donald Snyder men a retired accountant who lived in Cleveland and she called her boss Hemi Newman on his cell phone. I wanna pause for a second. There's a lot happening here. We have rusty dying on the asphalt. There are paramedics and police on the scene. Witnesses are gathered Andrea rusty's wife is on her way to the school. She calls close family and Hemi Newman her boss, remember at this point. She is still unaware that her husband has been shot in this next section. We get deep into the chaos after Andrea pulls into the parking lot to detectives arrive on the scene. Hey, sue, smolder Nado, and his sergeant on the police force. Gary Korda Lino as the ranking officer on the scene quarterly. No is an important figure in the story. Pay attention to his choices here and moving forward note worthy as well is the lack of information the police provide. Andrea what happened to rusty? Where was he taken? Why won't anyone tell her? What's going on? On we'll get there. But for now, we left off with Andrea rusty's wife driving to the school. She tore into the school parking lot flung open her door tumbled out and ran toward the crime scene tape behind it sat rusty's parked and Finnity. What happened she screamed detective hazo small D'amoto from the Dunwoody. Police department intercepted her as she headed toward the crime scene tape. Calm down. He told her leading her away from the crime scene and toward the front door of the daycare center. You gotta relax her knees. Buckled and Maldonado Qatar. Maldonado half carried her to the door where she was met by two women who worked at Dunwoody. Prep and another detective sergeant Gary quarter Lino the ranking officer on the scene quarter Lino had arrived twenty minutes earlier after rusty had been taken away, and he temporarily took charge. He told officers to look for witnesses called in crime scene techs to collect evidence, including the shell casings in the parking lot and sent a detective to the hospital to talk to family members. He later acknowledged being taken by surprise that one of those family members would be right there in front of him. I really didn't know she was coming. He later said I wasn't prepared for that. Andrea continued to ask what was going on Corallina wouldn't tell her. Instead he asked if she knew where rusty had come from. And where he was headed. Andrea told him she had no idea, and she'd later expressed frustration that she had answered questions when nobody would answer hers. She would also claim that quarter. Lena, refused to tell her where rusty had been taken quarter Lino would say that he wanted a detective to driver to the hospital. She didn't need to be at the school. He said. At some point while inside the school. Andrea spoke on her cellphone to her parents. They were driving to meet her from their home in Roswell thirteen miles to the east. Eventually her parents arrived as did her brother among the four of them. They somehow ascertained that rusty had been taken in an ambulance to an unidentified hospital after some sort of incident anymore information from the school from the detectives from anybody would not be forthcoming. At the recommendation of Donna for Mata, Andrea left in at the school feeling. It was better for him there while everybody sorted out. What had happened to his father? Andrea parents drove her to her house, and then her father called all the local hospitals. The Atlanta medical center confirmed that a Russell Snyder men had been admitted, but wouldn't say why or what is condition was Andrea and her parents piled into the car and headed for the hospital while Andrea worked her cell phone calling a longtime friend shayna Citron rusty's father, Donald and her boss Hemi Newman again. The paramedics continued to perform CPR as they wield rusty into the emergency room to attending physician. Marc Waterman, a quick assessment told him the prognosis was grim. The man had suffered multiple gunshot wounds to his neck near the carotid artery and chest. It would later be determined that the first bullet entered the left side of the jar traveled through his jaw and hit his right shoulder ending up just below the skin and his back. The gunman fired at point blank range. Rusty had stiffling burns to the face from the gun powder. Grains that shot out with the bullet. The second bullet came from farther away, probably while he lay on the asphalt it entered the right side of his abdomen at the bottom of his ribcage and pierced his liver diaphragm and right lung lodging itself, just under the skin of the back causing serious, internal bleeding, two more bullets went into his abdomen. Slicing through his intestines and exiting from his back causing more internal bleeding. Rusty. Also, suffered a grace wound to his forearm either from a separate fifth shot or more likely from one of the other bullets hitting him just below the elbow as he tried in vain to fend off the shots. Dr Waterman check, his patients, pulse and breathing. All vital signs were flat. Within minutes, he declared rusty Schneiderman dead. The first news person to arrive was dick Williams publisher of the weekly Dunwoody. Cryer? It's unheard of. He said later I've had this paper for sixteen years, and that's probably homicide number four and all that time. News helicopters circled over the preschool and vans from Atlanta's local TV stations rolled into the parking lot telescoping up. Their transmission? Polls for live satellite reports. The early coverage was breathless. And now panic outside of preschool began Fox TV affiliate anchor Tom Haines on that night's telecast the account in the Atlanta Journal constitution echoed the tone of disbelief it called the murder a sensational crime that offers few obvious avenues for investigation within hours interviews with rusty's, friends and colleagues and scan of social networking sites. Online, databases and company and government websites produced a glowing biography rusty was by all accounts, a successful man of business with a background in finance and insurance raised in the Cleveland area. He came to Dunwoody from Boston to take a position as the CFO of a large Atlanta company. He'd recently struck out on his own as an entrepreneur, he had no known enemies. No criminal record was active in local charities and in the Jewish community. Nearly every media account took note that he possessed a Harvard MBA. The early speculation was that rusty was the victim of some sort of hit Casey, Jordan criminologist and professor at western Connecticut state university told Pete combs radio show, not long after the incident that the shooting looked like an organized hit the killer was either somebody who had been dead against rusty or shooter hired by somebody who did everything about the murder said professional assassin. She said from the nondescript attire to stymie identification to the getaway vehicle without plates the firing of multiple gunshots to make sure the job was done. And the fact that the victims luxury car was left at the scene. Now, we're going to get into some nitty gritty evidence was this organiz hit. Or was it less planned? There's evidence to point in either direction and not a whole lot of physical clues would other avenues investigation offer more year. You'll also meet detective Andrew Thompson who will be the lead detective on this case, we trace the steps he took immediately after he got to the crime scene all the way through the end of the day of the murder. The crime scene offered few answers and little evidence a dead body and four brass shell casings scattered on the blacktop near rusty's car. This told police the shooter used a semiautomatic, but ballistics could narrow it down to a maker model of gun much less where or when it was purchased eyewitnesses all told a similar story a man of van and gun. Nobody caught a license plate number and most believed van didn't have plates. Nobody recognized the shooter though, most agreed the beard looked fake security cameras trained on the parking lot captured the van entering and leaving. But didn't show the actual shooting shortly after nine AM detective, Andrew Thompson of the Dunwoody. Police department heard the original radio call mistakenly, alerting police to an incident at the Bank when word came across the radio that the getaway car was a silver van heading down. Mount Vernon road. He drove farther ahead and. Parked at an intersection in the hope of intercepting the suspect. But no silver vans appeared he then went to Dunwoody. Prep his boss sergeant quarter Lino handed the case to Thompson making him the lead detective. Previously an officer with the Atlanta police department for eight years Thomson had only two years experience as detective working narcotics before coming to Dunwoody. This was his first turn as lead investigator for homicide. He was pacing around the crime scene getting the lay of the land. When he saw Andrea arrive, he didn't know her then. But assumed she was close to the victim. He would recall her behavior as very loud, very dramatic. Thomson spoke briefly to the eye. Witnesses cred Meyer a daughter and Chris Lang and the pediatrician Tarrant Ghafoor who had attempted to resuscitate rusty. He took down their contact information for longer. Follow up interviews he called in the crime scene technicians to take measurements photograph scene. And collect evidence rusty had few personal effects when he died an envelope in his jacket, a wedding ring, and to watch nobody could find his wallet the witnesses hadn't seen the gunman take the wallet. The presumption was rusty had raced out to drop off his son and had simply forgotten it. It was dark when Thomson and quarter Lino pulled up to the Snyder men house on mango court it sat on a half acre wooded lot against a forest traverse by walking paths when they rang the doorbell a couple who identified themselves as Andrea parents opened the door. Thompson told them he had a search warrant and wanted to come in. We are house in mourning said Andrea mother Andrea father told them they couldn't come in. According to Thomson Thomson told him that police had a warrant and to get out of the way or go to jail for obstruction. When sergeant Corta Lino interjected Corvino said they would come back tomorrow in the paramilitary culture of police departments a detective on his first murder case would never argue with a supervising sergeant Thompson would later leave little doubt that he disagreed with the gentle handling of the family. We started this case at rusty's death. We'll come back to the minutes before and after the murder over and over the silver minivan the man with a fake beard and silver pistol the manic Andrea and her phone calls the scene of the crime with chaotic we have lead detective, Andrew Thompson, and his supervising sergeant Gary Corta Lino taking charge. We begin to see a rift between the two here a rift that will be faithful as this case plays out. There are a lot of questions that still need answers. But with all murder cases, the fundamental one is who killed the victim. We get more details in the next episode about rusty Andrea and their relationship. We also hear about Andrea secret admire someone who quickly becomes a new suspect. But that's next time on case closed. So you guys just heard the first episode of case closed the drama the mystery this, Spence, I know you can't handle it. If you can't wait to hear the rest of the series. You don't have to you can hear all fourteen episodes right now on set your premium, and you can get a free trial of Stitcher premium at Stitcher, premium dot com slash case closed. Just use promo code true, go do it or will murder you.

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Justice League: The Snyder Cut & HBO MAX

Capes and Lunatics

1:07:41 hr | 5 months ago

Justice League: The Snyder Cut & HBO MAX

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You're a rich data mentioned Fox of the books who couldn't Records the podcasting and yet find out. I'm rights I will pay you a million zillion cougar answer for that. I don't know I don't know what money will be in the future. How dare you might? Bitcoin lift US again. Yeah because I mean I wanted her thoughts. I mean I guess we can start without her. I think the big story of the week is the Snyder cut coming to HBO. Max You mean you mean the Snyder. Re-cut lips college shelter half an entrenching tool ending another twenty million dollars. Yeah I don't make I mean you know these he fan fan. I'm a Batman Fan but I'm dislike. Is this worth it? You know what I think the only person who really well the fans want this the only people this is going to benefit. Hbo Masks Because Drinking Hbo Maxon News. Before it before it drops on Wednesday and Wednesday. Why wouldn't you have? Hbo Max Drop This Weekend. The holiday weekend. Yeah Okay Idiots yes okay I also yes. This is never nothing. Even offing with it. It's not like you're man delorean trotting out as their prestige DIS. What I don't I I'm GonNa say it right. Now what is if feel maxes prestige piece dropping? They won or do they can have new content. They all have something I mean tonight and that's not up to it with elmo which okay. I gotta say this right now. Ammo has parents. Also were. They're GONNA have gremlins. Don't think anything's really dropping with it. But the cartoons. I think that's been a big thing. I think they're actually getting ready to do away with Buhler because of the things that I saw. That are coming listen. I think they're getting rid of. I think they're going the Disney route. And just saying okay all you all use subscriptions come here and everyone like they're they're subscription will be automatically transferred and yeah there won't be a D. C. You there won't be a boomerang because because it's it's already begun because episode one a star girl with this week and It was on DC universe Monday then. Cw airs Tuesday. And I guess there's going to be like that every week and then doom patrol's going to be. Hbo Maximus Split. Everything on you know everybody's talking a piece of this universe. I mean here's what I'm telling you is if you have a DC view subscription. Now you have a still maximum searching more. I didn't they. Didn't they say eventually was it sci-fi Aaron Harley Quinn? So it's like yeah nothing. Nothing exclusive okay. I don't know if it's weird choice but you have to circle. Versatile is what I'm saying that's interest. They're still they still live in the same neighborhood lower end it's mature language and stuff. You would think that wanted just aired on. Hbo Max Because I of how mature is the language and they're dropping dropping f bombs and stuff. Charlie asser okay. Well yeah but that's that's what they have a button for. You know. They have a button yet. But I'm SA- they know unlike us when those might drop in farm they know when Harlequin ask. Yeah but I'm saying put them saying well. Okay yes you want to put a Harley Quinn somewhere where you have to bleep it every two seconds or just you know if you WANNA match. How do you think they make money on these things? It's syndication they gotta get that back out for free so they can get money from commercial. But you're putting twenty million on. Hbo MAX WHY NOT? One more thing. What h the still Max with his body really? Watch the box. Buddy thoughts tyler. The I nor real life is why Paul them and that's what I was saying as well that I was kind of saying. I think the whole Snyder cut thing is just the key. Djerma publicity for HP Max. Because every every article about Snyder money every every article I see about the Snyder cut I see. Hbo Max GonNa be on Hbo Max Hbo. Max Oh shoot you. There actually says actually says they're not selling well that they're not that that pre orders. Hbo Match Are Not Doing Well. 'cause you think about they're giving away a lot of. Hbo Matra Free. So if you have this getting feel Max in included basically Max. Hbo Ismael Now. But what I'm saying is giving a taste you get like. I think they're not selling it. I think that they the entire reason. They're saying one another twenty million. Let's put something together. So we'll we'll be six hours of great. It's a mini series. Now fine fine. Make a mini. The PONZI scheme is that it's like. Yeah it's that nobody is. Apparently nobody really wanted to pay for this product. And as a tie in I don't technically pay for. Hbo Feel was included in your packet. Yeah MY ATT. Tv package now granted. I haven't Nice Watch. It not probably watch all of this Dec- content when they put it up there and Justice League dark. You're there for sure I mean that's the last one we just saw. No they're doing a live action justice league dark on. Hbo Max Okay. We'll have the guy from from from the TV show. We're content seriously on here like besides like doom patrol. There's like separates communist dangerous jagged. What's what I'm saying? I keep hearing Green Lantern Series Justice League dark doom patrol. But it's like have friends when Netflix's doesn't have it. That's the Nassar what I was GONNA say. There's nothing new coming on Wednesday but hey old white people hey friends coming. I was just about to friends on you. Know the thing about Disney plus. Yes it has a big backlog but they had their prestige new content which was loin which kicked it became the most memorable thing from Disney. Plus it really it reinvigorated Star Wars. It made star wars sexy. Something people like to get. So that's saying something. If you know anything about Star Wars fans you know that the fact of the Mantle Laurean was like beloved among Star Wars Fans shows you that this has got to be really good once again. It's like the because there was no woman at the forefront like. Let's just be honest we're GONNA talk about star stance honesty. I mean a again DC universe. Was there first. But it's like who cares if you there i. Yeah this Disney everything about it. Was you know it was coming and they did it anyway because they wanted money because they're greedy greedy limit? Millet Auto. Well we'll get there first. But meanwhile they're still trying to catch up the Disney plus again. Well if I know you hate Disney but you have to admit they have. They do surgical strikes. They have everything planned out even if take longer there. They got a battle. Plan the stick to it artor a week by DC TMZ. Let's do it. I put my money where my mouth is about that. All right pay seen it should be worth ten cents on the on the dollar Louis Louis. Partition I mean. That's their. That's their perspective. Once they have grounded into the dust nobody cares about you any more than we can buy it and then we can make it great again. Who would have that Lennon straightforward pot? So we start now. That's all I'm saying. In the. After idea. So short all pay starts petition. We will spread it. We will spread on the Internet literally. Disclose the boycotting altogether. I'm very close from the things that I'm here. I hate it hate it. All y'all riverdale means the this pack. Hey Apologize Hey hey break break it. What's going on efforting some some Red Circle Heroes? Man I am down for Archie comics revival within the Superhero space. I'm all about the fly right now. Quite frankly Lewis better than what school thing about. Woods that like people hate on that. It's an cable. Just not what you're expecting one. The was a hey universe to our superheroes I mean. I haven't gone I just. I'm know we all know it. Yes spoilers yes. Apparently Dick Dastardly leads in in a small a small. Also you know What's his name The the octopus octopuses name but he's in it From this movie and it was like that's not what we come for. You know. Now that deal came down for water media production. I like Captain Caveman with teenagers. I don't like Captain Caveman any project without the team angels. I'm just going to be. I'm real hardcore on that. I don't. I don't I don't want my my junior. I Love Katie. Junior the way that any father would love Assan. But it's like that like when they tried to put Captain Caveman in the front stones. Oh Yeah Junior I mean I mean I'm not even got disliked scrappy do I love scrappy view. Mine Elizabeth. Oh Me. Interest the whole thing interest. And we're like all we hate you haters same scrappy. I'm all you know we we you know. We don't like all the hate giving up just stuff. Just because wasn't your cup of tea or ruin your childhood you know. I'm sorry if your childhood was to be yeah I know. The creators don't like scrap because he was a corporate mandate. But you know then I sort of think. Oh well the critters just you know artsy fartsy. You know People who don't like corporate mandates dude. You know you WanNa do this for living. You WanNa have a nice house in a nice car in his Kochta corporate and make it better. You know you always make it better but yeah I again. I like I think. The Charlie's original point. It's like yeah. Hbo Match Really. Doesn't have anything right now. Launch Date. So it's like. Hey Hey hey like a week before drops. Hey let's announced. Hey we're GONNA do. The Snyder caught on HBO. Max What all the twenty twenty one I know. I know exactly like candy like say. Oh and the new season of doom patrol drops pay new season of green lanterns. Drop you with. I mean you would think you would think at least doom patrol's come in before the Snyder cut definitely before they've shot. I get that Ovid. Stomping parades you know why why why here's some. Tv shows. They are editing. But it's lower now because everyone's doing it from home because it's like you know you said before Judge Music Guy. He does his thing. Then you send it to the Special Effects Guy. He do his thing more time but I thought I thought sometimes you get people will like in the same room at the same time this. This abbey wanted to do that. One one at one at a time you can but not everybody wants to. That's the thing it's like. It is the covid if will don't necessarily want to go outside implied it was funny. I was actually reading an old tweet of mine about like the rapture which was like apparently a few years ago and say Oh Guess. The rapture did happen. We just were all Joosten FOLSOM Scott raptured and welcome to you and time. Now the supercollider knocked us into the game now kids. Oh you just assume we were. In the universe beforehand fell. That's the problem we were that is the that is such universal privilege that will we must be the good universe. All I remember is the Charlie after all I remember just all I remember is Charlie used to know. Didn't have a moustache now. He has facial hair. So don't tell me we're not the universe Charlie. Esser I don't act like my facial hair is not a constantly kit changing mosaicked. There is there is there is. There is no constant facial hair in the servers. This was purchased many years ago when I had the bald head. In the stash the baldness dash is back. This dash is a bit more aggrandize this time being but I'm loving it. This was the first time I had the long enough to really do something with so. That's my my favorite mug. But I mean I mean like I like. I was saying at the start. It's like I'm DC Fan Batman Fan. But it's like I really don't care about the Snyder cut. It's like okay can any? I can't think of one so correct me if I'm wrong. Has Anyone ever seen a movie or anything where it's like you really don't like it? And then they add the extra footage or the director's cut red ever. And you're like Okay Superman to okay. I'll give you that. It was better than honour. Cut was better. But but the only whatever that really. Yeah but did it really puts it in your eyes. Were just a little bit because you watch the watch returning Superman Superman. Retirements makes a difference with you wash. The regular cut makes no sense. I love so superman returns is based on the Snyder over the donner cut. And that's the gold standard that that they're trying to recreate. Except if right now they're saying Oh yeah they might make it into a mini series in. It's going to be you know six six hours long then immediately. It's like okay so it's six hours of old exploit. This is an attempt to. It's like the outcry once they see. This is going to be so great that they're going to be like. Oh you have to bring all these people that all these rich charges the to I mean athlete. Calill as Ra Miller Jason Momoa Towers problem. Yeah but I'm just saying you just had issues that his wife will pay attention him so he has or vessel world attention. But I'm just saying every man I'm just saying every man in the Justice League is problematic. I don't say the main to me alone first of all the only no that's bad I said League members. Yeah no Jeremy Irons is fine. Jk Authority was problematic. We don't talk about Justice League. I wasn't even dipping into the mess. That was oh no L. In the Snyder on honest all lilith always excited for it supposedly Marcia Marcia Man I was GonNa say I was GONNA say low. Could we get more both houses? No I'll say we get an extended end cut with your boy as stroke one would like. That's being more watch out the sound off. Dc come on but no only the AKI can. Here's the thing if you're gonNa make a six hour mountain movie for two minutes of footage. His that is that logical and again. It's like what those two six six hours think about this. They're saying Oh yeah. We Scorsese I mean. Think about this think about this. Think about this think about this week. Attorneys mess around. If you give us the the set the amount of to of vendors and games to fix it really really if you need six hours ahead on where we want. Galas Water Woman Harder. Universe what she's am. Forget about memo. Sorry guys got on from that. Nice Trick Love Triangle. No rose on that. We can actually star. Girl is in the Justice Society Universe. She could she can help university so you know we could do this. I just. I always loved the shoes am. I says I always loved Isis more than I am. I'll be honest. I wonder why how what's actually most I just you know. She wasn't turning the country with a creepy old guy in an RV south rear as an Egyptologist. She actually had a job in life before super heroism. And I appreciate you was be own so you know. Be Fair to be fair. Yes hitchhiking adventure ejecting Chalabi can. Nowadays people don't pickup educators as Helena. But but yeah I mean if you need a frigging miniseries the RAPA you know to clean up to our movies at worth it now is eddie masterpiece. I'm sorry Tyler I'm sorry James but it's not a massive hurt. This is my life for the whole. Schneider say that it started saying that. Say Hey don't say that is looking to be polished donaldson polished. I think it it's a working prayed that they're gonNA edit down into what say is polishing here is. The thing was not policy. Neither makes amazing so of films. Where in the same way that you might buy some of. I can absolutely see you wanting to buy a cell of a Snyder. That the peso's he puts in each some of that frame is amazing. The Promo Canadian the rest of the story you selling pretty look out for one thousands of second. Let's gone and that's essentially the problem with senators director. Which is why he was why he loves motion. He loves all sorts of things he loves and IT IS BEAUTIFUL. I will never say oh. It's so dark is that can be beautiful. It can be a beautifully made film but a film is not just pictures you know you need words and pictures and a story. Snyder's film Air Agreement. Kobe's out with that and not for nothing. Film era never went away. Wally was as people have said. It was ninety percent of silence out. You know you can do a silent film in the modern era all right great and beloved film. Let me so. Let me sum up. Let me sum up their their whole approach with one of the classics installed big words and then it looks pretty. Yeah it looks pretty the pile and I hope you never hear this. Podcast data score out to ruin. Constantine I will forever be better. We're now mortal enemies anyways so yeah to the nest but on getting it today at drops summation because I wanNA watch friends. Because I'm Charlie US are going to be there because we're GONNA free. So that's the thing is I think ninety percent of the people who are GONNA be they're gonNA get it for free today. Drops and I think they may be held back content because reform year. Right some in its report year until some of them are ninety days. But it's sort of this weird thing where it's like okay. It's so so okay. My wife found something on. Cbs which somebody gets murdered on CBS. Apparently so apparently we're keeping it because my wife found something they'll look people getting murdered. I like that so she's show to watch. I think it's called interrogation or something like that. We were married Charlie keeps. That's just a look. I have no problem paying for things I pay. Hey captain play is coming. Don't tell me don't have reason to keep. Cbs All access to work with it yeah main TV doesn't work with CBS. Turn the TV off. Weird sound cues on my team and I just and I told you watch star Trek discovery because I told you last week Captain Pike is in season two discovery. But you know who's in season one of discovery. I think we talked about this before. At least two appearances of rain. Wilson as Harry Mudd. Oh this guy for one. Your eight hundred podcast. You guys you without so do a lot of podcasts. Without me did did you watch star girl this week. No I didn't well look I. I would love story I'd have to go to the CW APP and it's pretty punks. No like I think it's actually pretty great. It's a really good APP so I know but yes sir. Yeah I just have to actually like open up and use it to just you go into the details on it. The problem is is that the new TV has like Standi that it stands on. And I know it's larger than the TV is on after. Move things around to get it to stand up and because we're having the construction guy fix the bathroom right now. It's a hall to do so. Yeah normal person. Do Sleep dirt in the bathroom. Act where bombs bathroom break constantly. It was It was a film set. Would've been helped. They said hey you know if they had said it's supposed to the next to the eight hundred parts serwa animated univer. People would have made fun of them but if they would have painted that as like the avengers endgame of the DC Animated Universe. I mean deserve. It was very unceremonious in rush. It deserved it again. Though they threw out there it's like here's the last one because they're starting this summer with Batman Movie Animated movies though Maurya but lil use it. You should say diaper man Superman Superman hit the same thing. It's underwear not sniper was remanded. He was there was it was an old cartoon in the late sixties at once it was called the mighty heroes but it could be mistaken at strongman. Weatherman diaper man cooman. They were groped man. They were there. Were Superhero cartoons. When I was a kid so we're actually made before. I was a kid but that got replayed on on Saturdays. Because you know syndication was thinking back then and you watch cartoons on Saturdays and yet liked it. Missed woke up late nights right. Thank God well kid. Thank God Spiderman and his amazing friends came on late on a Saturday although Disney exceed is now running their weekend cartoon block without commercials. Their big can't wake up cartoons now. Well you know they know you more so trains to run tie mine tracks. He took a long time. Disney to get it's like Conan together for young people like Disney kept though was trained. It'll at least it's always in two thousand. The two guys were like this wire dot so ravens but everything else was together for like balls. Maybe herb injured hand at. That's the story of Disney's it took them a long time to get there and that's already majors. And all that went off it was it was ten fifteen ever got joe by. Hey Point is the point is and this is. This is worse. Problem is they. Don't WanNa do the Labor will again again. You want to get to that. They want to get you. Disney seen along level. Abc and it's like Dude. You can't even get one universe right yet. It's a it's a universe. It's the tortoise and the Hare and guess who crosses the finish line or the universe shot but the thing is the D I. I'm GonNa tell you this. I think people are tired of bag universes. I don't see anyone getting tired of shared universes when they're done. Well I think okay delorean out. Berle face four PM so I don't know I can't say I know that people really liked the net flicks shared universe which was tangential to the NC universe People love you know. The current animated Disney Universe. That is kind of shared am worship. They make it. They find that really engage. People is an Easter Egg. To look for they get they watch it with an once and if you're a person who makes content what you want is re reading. There was a great line by Seinfeld where he says. Why do you read the same book? More than once the read Moby Dick Happened. The will become great friends. And the reason that it's funny because you realize oh the book never changes but if suddenly there's content that you can find in there that you didn't know before or that ties into it or even just accidentally like Rick and Morty just highs in because today remember that thing we did let's call back take a drink and suddenly just because you don't watch it still doesn't mean we have tickets a good place you shut up. Now a little uploaded right. Look it's a great. Need to talk about uploaded though the show. You're probably not watch Charlie talking totally Talk To himself about upload last week on super connectivity. Can't remember besides Philip. It's not much it's like you know it's like Oh let me think about it over thirty minutes. Let me think about this harbor the culture. It's fine okay. Okay Miss Okay Miss. I'm starting a form in my front yard down there in Florida yet talked to me about. Who's okay okay? Front Yard Impact Yard. Okay I get it I get it. All I'm saying is first of all say uploaded is a very good film. Amazon is so for four disconnected. Universes I'll say Amazon is good at making great standard standalone pieces. Were the with a build up. You know just Craig Carton helps when you have a billion dollars and no overhead pretty wild. Yeah and that's that's sort of Netflix. Netflix's sixty built on debt. Amazon is built on. You know basically a one hundred dollars a year go making things I want. Give me things I want. You know I'll pay for the extra things but just get him to be quick. Make that yes all the emperors of Rome now on Amazon Prime Ford Bucks a year. You know you're like if you can draw one hundred bucks one day or maybe it's like one hundred and clean. I don't know but it's interesting to me quickly and then also give me something to make me to ask really though Amazon is its own different these improper it because it's like not only do you get this. Podcast is sponsored by Amazon but for the love of God they WanNa sponsors we will freaking take it get unlimited on you unlimited new late. Oh shut but I get access to these really cool. We wouldn't be made anywhere else and get both what shows get the stay in pilots gets be made what I mean. That's Jeff Bezos. Thing is he is he understands. He understands bread. And circuses nailed it. If you want to roll the empire you've gotTa give people what they want and really people don't want that much. They want to not get punched in the face every day. They have food and they'd Lexie Nice show and they would like to deliver his ten hours. I leave I think they're overshooting but it's fine. You know what I'm an old man and you know I'm used to like you know I'm used to waiting so I'm okay with that. They can you know how July might not much at like out that much and To wait long before possible for me to be heard and I left. I was GONNA say wait longer. Relationships will just have to wait longer for Amazon packages at the only way her life has changed. Cancel the package actually. Not In my area near bearded. We're house. Oh Nice there. Yeah I doubt she does. I mean you know is a major. Yeah no I mean I. I do think all billionaires are evil. Don't get me wrong fired. You're halfway there. That's just pikers game. You're just evil. Anyway you figure out universe you get away with murder and it's in the WanNa Watch Jack Jack. Yeah then. That's you know but like I said that's the that's the thing is that you know. Net flicks is amazing. But they are. Netflix is the Ponzi scheme. Netflix today. Better get no no. I think Netflix can make it work. I think that flip. Netflix is running on attrition model. That netflix's basically the Soviet Union is GONNA keep sending waves and waves and waves of content and meanwhile people are just at lightweight for toilet paper bread for nothing. It's I guess that's the thing it's like it's built on something. They can't sustain in less. They can sustain it just long enough that it becomes profitable. And that's their petitions. These Disney's by Netflix and Amazon. And that sort of and that's where we get into this idea about you know. Hbo Mass Coming into here. Trying to as as one said Chevy another another snack down. Amar is another salty snack on America's already glutted market When March had the Pretzel Business? you know. It's it's just this this problem that they're getting in there too late and they're not getting in there with any kind of best foot trying to resume their. There's not something they're showing up with. That makes you so. For example had they said Oh. Yeah Day One. We're starting center. It's a six. It's a six part series six hours long but it's going to be the Snyder it's GonNa be. Jackson was Zach Snyder. Zach Justice League and it's GonNa be awesome. Yeah Tony Snyder. Think he's doing some Snyder guys cider guy. He makes pretzels on the side. I think. Oh my Lord Oh Lord. I saw the best me the other day. I'm like how the Charlie seem. It was asked not uh Snyder or Schneider from one day at a time and it was like the Schneider. Cut that cuts my heart so beautifully I mean. That's the crux biscuit. Is like you know that. I don't know what strapping day one that I'm excited for Hbo Max and there's no other way to talk about it except that failure. I don't think anything new is dropping. But why? Why wouldn't you drop something either? They're giving away two free to half the people of course on a side note. Maybe you wouldn't have to give it away for free and get into that while you're doing it in the middle of the week. It's drop it on Wednesday again. Why wouldn't you do Memorial Day weekend? I'm going to you best. Maybe maybe they can for gyms let some two miles long rule or whatever. They didn't want to drop new content. They could've done the they could have gone. The full could other Disney route which is open the HBO false and put. They're not advertising a very well. Were honestly I should know so for example if you told me that Oh yeah. We're going to be having dreamer on on day. One oh I would I would. I would watch dream on the heck and back you know the if they drop on the shorts. Oh God loves. Hbo Show if they had no new content note they should of did they should have been like. Hey guess what every original HBO Program Ever is going to be on day. One deadwood on the praying does all of this. The boardwalk empire audited. You think well. Yeah all of it. Yes but Sopranos deadwood. It's not like it's hard to find those guys. Yeah but I'm just saying you know what I'm saying. Is You gotta find that people remember that they can't find like you know And even if you can find hardware wars on youtube the HBO. Original cut the original. Cut Not the edited remastered. Oh no no youtube they need no what HBO. They need to drop on their tales from the crypt heavy syndication to. That's I think I wanna be edited though right. I mean you could say like. Don't tell from the CRIP on edited to regional format. I'll have to check what's on to be fancy to have the Saturday morning cartoon to but I mean Yes God. That was nightmare fuel. It was fun ran a season. You know what that's like you know you you could press these things about the HBO or about the Warriors. Yeah then really try to sell people on it. You know what I'm saying. The only thing I've heard about. Hbo Max's Oh yeah we have this stuff. That's going to be coming and it's like you know it's like Oh hey twenty twenty one or whatever. It's just like yeah. Nothing has like assault know. They need to release. Whatever Warner Sung of south is which is probably a lot of stuff. But you have you been at Walmart lately. 'cause they're doing like the Classic Warner movies wait. A new updated covers inside like sized satellite on Batman that narrate turns Batman forever. They all have you cool blank. Anniversary lay covered that was put out the Batmans years with different covers. Yeah Yeah So. They're Kinda celebrating. That so kind of doesn't make sense why they're not like boasting that on like H. Let's either on ask questions. I have lots of questions. Listens really dropped them ball with their marketing and again just the splinter comics. Yeah Yeah. Dc Universe has the comics but again it's like splintered you got these universe HBO. Max You know it's it's just like Disney. Everything's in one place except for. Yeah Yeah but you know comics are in each market. I'm not even certain digital comics are going to be the wave of the future. Try I swear especially with with Cova now. They're trying to push the Hawaii. Swear that that who didn't comic thing and it's like how no it's not even a boat. No no no. I don't like it fine but the problem is that when I go to a comic store and I see all of it to spray. There's a lot of impulse buy. I don't think you'll get the impulse. Buy Digital that you do in a store know anything you know. And you're screw and you're screwing the stores and it's like you don't get that either. I think you said you know you walk in the story. The talk with the people who are interested in this stuff to society you get a human interaction and you know. I'll this model who serve a great message board for Human Interaction and they've shut that down. I don't know what happened to a lot of the message boards. Maybe I don't know how to get. I'm them anymore but I don't know a lot of people do message boards anymore. You know any sites do a lot of message boards anymore. I know I used to love those. I mean I actually. You know had a little bit of fame with my fan theories and a couple of the board. Oh you know Charlie knows about this thing and he makes a great point about you know why the only has four fingers final too. Much upkeep on maybe they they count on social media. Now it's like hey facebook's free and twitter's free and why not just let the people decide but I'm saying more Disney doesn't have to pay for upkeep on a message board because they're like? Hey we gotta pay facebook to do this or. I think they started like everyone started going through some kind of APPS system. I think discusses of popular APP for message boards now so we get to comment. You have to create your discuss account. Then you have. What are the biggest problem with a lot of these accounts? They will log you out eventually. Don't lock me out and read it right. Listen it's a device on here okay. Don't make me try to remember whatever random password that created like six months ago and what email I created a that. You know that's new for not using any net users at your usually do honestly. My main male is full of a lot of spam. Here's cross publishers clearinghouse. I love me every day. Pub Publisher's clearing house doesn't come through that Arabian Prince. I'm sure believe you know. Publishers Clearinghouse does give like lots of money away to people every year. It's documented okay. Talk because I've seen it on. Tv. That's all everything on TV. Always true no. No you actually can like actually look up. Look up unlike unlike a scam. They're actually published data on the subject. We can find this publishing clearinghouse when from this year. And there's actually an entire legal mechanism that is in charge of keeping track of these kinds of sweepstakes because they're literally legal gambling and the government wants to cut. So if you say you give someone a million dollars wants to cut says do. Where's my money? And so you say Larry got the money they Larry. You got money. I don't got no money. They never gave me no money. And then you're like well. Then why did you say you gave Larry all this money with says? Where's my money the? Us government comes up their head big hat and cane money horsh clearinghouse American family. Publishers apparently is not online but Publishers Clearinghouse is your online. You Watch couple. Add quick to the thing. It entered an innocent. That might win a million dollars from day when I was doing the five thousand dollars a week for life or the seven thousand dollars lives You know they're trying to basically it's old people like me who go online Click Nick Nick. And so you know what I could use a new DA. The wife wants the predominant her phone one moment again because the wife wanted upkeeping. Cbs All access to the wife wanted to wanted to odometer. Course world at mustache something you give your wife something. I'd buy if you buy something you give your wife something understand that. Hey I don't know if I don't think you can have that. I've said that's not how you have a Weiss okay. I'm not judging near relationship. Phillip know about saying I I just think you their stuff you want but you're like Oh yes I'll keep it because the the wife wants honestly I was actually ready to get rid of interest? I'm sorry Harry Harry Mudd. Yeah the Harry. Much shored show up twice isn't that's the that's the thing about the extended universes everyone's trying to build Harry. Harry my chose Harry much has a few times but casting rescue rangers cameo on net sales but see they're young so I'm GONNA give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to say you know. What Duck Tales? Maybe you're going to deliver me rescue rangers off. Maybe you're going to build onto this. Maybe we'RE GONNA GO TO SINK. Canard at some day keep on talking about thinking I want. I Want Balu Launch Pad and I will just have the best day ever. I don't know but I gotTa have a race. I Want Balu in launch team up because launch pad is like more lackadaisical. Balu to be have to be the strait laced guy. I just love that idea of him like like I don't want to do this. I don't WanNa be the sky and look nope we just stick. This thing goes up. That's what I do. Just wants to put him to go out to Youtube. Probably Yep is after watch legal Batman light so these. He had a lot of this week for some random reason. Now we're good. I mean I for one I mean I only got to. There's only two that I usually get red hood and Justice League does that's the only physical case out of number ten. Oh Jimmy down. Redhead is continues to be in decline of garbage state so you'll but at least bizarro and ornaments Iraq finally like I don't like your billing in Red Hood. And the outlaws. Most people showed up for the DART trading because the trinity the regular Trinity Shuts. You would think you would think they would build on her. This is why you need comic bookstores because in a comic bookstore I would have seen this mother said you know what I have a light week which I don't because I have I am buying fifty dollars. Worth of comic books. Never read by Classic magazine Comic Books. But you know if I if I was just if this was regular time sounds walking. Oh it's red. Who didn't he? Why don't I see what has to do today? You know what green lantern violate new. You didn't get that. No wait. What can be. How could it be a new dawn of its the twilight? What general twilight zone it without was digital I? I'm not sure betrayed. But at one of our yeah Ital- Jordan that sounds like a made up kettle. I'm just GonNa say that right and again again this is that's that is the I mean. The the comic book industry is shooting itself in the foot right now. Because it's like you don't know half the time what's what's coming out. You know physical now you know what's going the digital now because half half the books for Marvel and DC when you know digital now so it's like you're in the middle of an arc and it's like hey I can't finish it physically now Hawkeye Freefall coz spider. Yeah Yeah but in those situations again like I said so I know everything that came out print because my comic Book Guy Lists Everything print but if I see red her loss number twenty three. That's not attractive to me. See the cover. I need to see who'd Never Twenty Three this time but Zorro eats a sandwich and then possibly I have no idea what Sunday cover. I have no idea what's on the cover but the idea that. Oh Hey why was eating? That Sandwich is eating sandwich. But in that concept you know you build out that idea that that's what attractive. That's the impulse. Buy of the comic book as well. Actually I'm not big in very covers because I think like dude you need to have your covers be an impulse. Buy New People to see that cover and say I wanNA know what's going on in that book? People judge that book by that cover then Look Jewish. Druid complete white cover variant. It's like why would I buy in? Oh but yet Industry it's in a weird spot right now. I think we can all agree on that telling you what nobody would read selling number fifteen. She's not by marvel. You're missing out fair enough. It's entirely fairly read. Anything I mean. It may be agree arc but again talking about universes. I want to be invested in this stuff. You know I wouldn't know Charlie again. I need her to have a universe though. That's the thing I don't need her to have a man. I needed to have a universe. I need to know where she belongs. And what her purposes in that story as Hor- does the woman belong Charlie after What did you say? Hey she can kill that. Will there be. I hope she cooks. She shouldn't have cook. Charleena's that what you're saying. I'm saying that if you kill the wildebeest you should eat the wildebeest and should probably cook it. First 'cause game me can be very tricky when it comes to parasitic infections. It's twenty twenty. Don't they have plant-based wildebeest now? Well Not in twenty twenty season. The high born h fill up. Come on get with it. Up didn't have plant based meat. High Boring Fat. He had been a dynamite entertainment for her story. Personally yeah I probably should. I mean I'm not gonna I'M NOT GONNA say I shouldn't be rich on because I do like Red Sonja as a character. I'm just very mad that her rights aren't at Marvel and it's like I'm just that it is petty. I will not deny it but I will not deny that it is petty but it is still a thing to me that Conan's back at at Marvel. Sonia is not I read CONAN outside of Marvel. You know I I mean who owns read. So that's like one of these things. Is this just like a corporate entity that just stole the name before we answered Fabry's station? Is it like a creator? Owned thing spun. That's what I don't know man. I don't know man. People who made the Red Sonja movie owned Red Sonya now and that that just does not work well with me So but yeah I. I'm sorry starting to get all controversial. That's all right so can say we're saving Hawkeye Free Fall for superconductivity rakes when you want to read. I read Hawkeye Free Fall. Why thought you want to discussion of white. Hawkeye's broke Batman there well Hawkeye. I can do that where you know. But that's fine. No one else broke back here. We can talk about Louis. But then you also have just wasteland without red which was a new book this we again digital. Only next week we had adventures thirty three. Which the Bible Volvo come by the I believe that the starts the moon that night ark. Okay well there we go so we know who's GonNa be read that how the POW by himself. Yeah listen not show. He's got he's like Lilith with Docs waiting for it. Now that's all cool. No argument there. Yes he's no Batman but he's that man say it's easy if you are trust fund billionaire. Who Doesn't have to run your own company in nailed it. I mean I think that's the biggest problem for me with Bruce Wayne is that he doesn't run his own company. It's like he's literally just a guy who lives lives also jess that he happens to be related to the people who want to build a company. He's too busy beating on the poor people. Charlie Esser one. Is He uptown the rental company. I'm just saying if you know what would be a great story. Arc Is Bruce. Wayne buys a major fan fast food in Gotham and then starts paying fifteen dollars an hour to every worker. Or you've more your managers that's always the thing it's like what you're managing so you have to make more than that but going beyond De Basically should a manager to have living wage and then suddenly explore the dynamics of that that would be 'cause I'm old I would like to read a book that is essentially an economic An Economics Textbook. Will you love the Star Wars? Prequels did it. You see Mesa. Loves me some Star Wars Star Wars? Explain Watch the boy. Oh you know with you know what broke my heart you know. What else is going digital amazing? Mary Jane Okay but but I think I saw. I don't think black cats black cat staying in print but Mary. Jane's Digital. I'm like is black cats on that much better the Mary Jane. I can absolutely see that. I guess I mean black blackouts more superhero. We I guess yeah. Well I mean also broadcast brought Cat Very James. Mary Jane I love Mary. Jane don't get me wrong but it's like there's not going to be. There is not going to be any dramatic character. Arc set. Come to Mary Jane. She's always going to be. She's always going to be married. Jane. She's GonNa be eternally positives. They're not going to hurt the brand of Mary. Jane Black Cat. She may be remorse. The onus you can be more heroic. She's GonNa do well if you're GONNA walk that fine line. Very changes doesn't uh doesn't go there what you're saying. They can thirty up the blackout way. More than Mary Jane Will. The I'm saying they'll make better stories with the black chat. The do with basically with Mary Jane every all of her stories have to be about her side characters. Arc and like so miss. Ministerial has to have the ARC Mary. Jane doesn't really have an while. I was going to say a lot every she does. She does her. She does her great stuff yet does but it's really mysterious. Story really mysterious. Are whilst going to say that. I think the you know kind of like you know you could get a sore. The black cat kill somebody. But you're not going to get that with Mary Jane or take the Jackpot identity this time so jackpot. There are so many female Spiderman characters could do movie on before Jeff Jackpot is a freaking plot device at the beginning of bringing day. Can we say that for superstores? I didn't bring it up. The dissertation feel that far from low. If she is a dissertation we can do Jack Excited about their semiconductor. Superman superconductivity unknowns. Get late so maybe on that no we get this thing rolling. Both like what's going on here is now anyway. So yes you heard are talking. Should've been at nine. Sorry why do you want to what he wanted to see? We're going to tomorrow. No no not at all If guys wanted to talk to us about the Snyder The state of the comic books. Hbo Max Anything can always email. Us capes lunatics at jimoh com. Call the voicemail. Six one four three eight two two seven three seven. That's six one. Four thirty capes follow case lunatics on facebook twitter instagram. 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Happy Anniversary Bruce!

"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now here's Kevin. Oh Tommy. Today he's attending Stephen Strasburg press conference so call in tomorrow. It's Aaron. It's me no guests because we are celebrating today. The ten year anniversary of Bruce Allin being hired as the Redskins redskins executive vice president of football operations and general manager title. That became four years later. Team President He was doing such a great job. He got a new title in new job responsibilities. What a day? It was ten years ago. And I'm being serious about this if you recall back ten years ago when I was working radio and I was doing a show with Tommy middays We had all begged for Vinnie Serrato to be fired for a real football executive to be named general manager and a takeover the football operation because the first ten years of Dan Snyder's ownership nine of which nine of which were with Vinny Vinnie. Serrato were so horrific so different. So disappointing We just need to change and we got it on that day. Ten years ago we got Bruce Allin so in honor owner of that day We are going to be dropping some beauties From Bruce some of his greatest hits from over the years like this recent sint treasure from just a few months ago. You know the culture is actually damn good there you go so we'll be doing that periodically throughout throughout this show. Say over the ten years he got something done culture damn good he. He's given us a lot of sound drops. Just like Vinny Serrato did we do have a plan we have. I have an idea. We know what we're doing. So don't panic boy. They sound almost exactly the same when you think about it. Yeah they do We really did rejoice in this news ten years ago most of us did. I did And you know what it is. It's it's that that that syndrome that you're in of being a battered fan base and and needing something to grab onto the gives you a ray of hope and it was such a buffoon show. It was such a clown show for ten years of just you know Vinnie and Dan basically embarrassing themselves and the franchise for ten years in the record reflected that it was eighty and ninety six over those ten years. A win percentage of four fifty four with two playoff wins. That's to more than they've had under Bruce Allen but it was so bad that everybody wanted change and Bruce Allin was was like family because of his father and it felt like You know they were hiring a real football executive now. There were concerns at the time that he was not the the best talent evaluating type of general manager but I think there was some belief that he would put people in place that would sort of spearhead that effort the draft in free agency but yet had you felt like you had an adult in the building for the first time in that Dan had gotten sick of the Vinnie. Serrato and Jim Zorn's stuff stuff and it was time for change because that was one of those in two thousand nine one of those real early rock bottom moments well ten years years later. It's not much different. You know a terrible record. Sixty to ninety seven one during the Bruce Allin. Ten Years to playoff appearances. Zero zero wins a three eighty. Nine win percentage It's been just as awful and I think that moving forward what we don't want is we don't WanNa have to celebrate another anniversary. Anniversary of Bruce Allen's Air Bruce Allin being in charge. You know next year this time if he's here for an eleventh season it's not going to be more likely than not accompanied lead by a better record or an impending playoff run. That's not going to happen a year. From now with Bruce still here it may not happen with Bruce. Gone the owners the problem. You know all losers like this organization rot from the head down. Everybody knows that Bruce's just a symptom a bad one but a symptom but anyway throughout this program We will be dropping in some Bruce Beauties from the past To keep you hopefully entertained As you remember ten years of Bruce Allin now there was news. A lot of it Yesterday after the show and the big the big piece of news or the big story that got a lot of attention was less carpenter story in the post which I will get to here momentarily but Brit Hume started off. Yesterday the Fox News analysts in and reporter in whatever Brit Hume does for Fox these days I think he's the senior analyst Sta singer political analyst at Fox News Brit Humza Redskin Fan. He lives in the area and The the buzz about Urban Meyer. Being at the game Sunday. He tweeted out yesterday. Meyer told me. He was in town for a White House. Christmas party after attending the Army Navy game. I'm on Saturday. Asked if he might consider the Redskins job quote. I think I'm done coaching He said he knew his presence at the game Sunday would trigger spike speculation which it did And then so that was from Britt Hume. Who's been in the owner's box at various times over the years at Fedex field for redskins games the Ben Standing. Who was on the show yesterday late yesterday had a story about Urban Meyer into Wayne Haskins? Another piece of news to come out Yesterday afternoon after we had recorded the show. Ben wrote that Urban Meyer's existence since in the stadium Sunday was unknown to Duane Haskins Haskins. Actually you know acted as if he didn't know that maybe he it didn't but one of the reasons that perhaps he didn't know it standing wrote that urban Meyer's relationship with Dwayne Haskins at Ohio state was not a warm warm relationship. According to sources concerns Ben Standing Rights concerns over Haskins maturity did not begin this year in Washington and not everyone in Columbus believed. The quarterback was ready to depart Ohio state after his lone season. Starting so there was some information on an urban Meyer on urban Meyer Twain Haskins Benjamin Albright the Colorado reporter who suggested last week. I believe it was that Eric. B enemy enemy would be at target for the Redskins in that prompted the conversation about Alex Smith and his role in the organization After the season Benjamin Engine Albright said that there have been Meyer was a consultant on the Colorado state job opening and also a consultant to Dan. Snyder I don't know what Dan's ends relationship with. Urban Meyer is I don't They may have mutual friends. They may know each other I really don't but I think what did get cleared ended up. Yesterday was what our hunch was yesterday and that is that Urban Meyer is not a legitimate candidate for the job Here in Washington. That's my my guests and I thought that the Ben Standing stuff which he did not mention on the podcast with us yesterday he was a guest on the podcast. was an interesting Piece of information as well that leads us into the less carpenter piece in the Washington Post which got a lot of attention late yesterday last night and even into early this morning unless carpenter wrote a lengthy story about the relationship between Dan Snyder and Bruce Allin deteriorating which is not new news something. We've been talking about here for a couple of months now JP Finley other stations our station. A lot of people have been talking about the Dan Snyder Bruce Allen relationship not being the same anymore. They're they're not together. They're not joined at the hip anymore. They're not a together as much on the practice Field Nash Burn. They're not together in the the the owner's suite. They're not together on the field before the game. So a lot of of less carpenter story deals in Stuff that isn't news but just a a confirmation with people a wing in there some good quotes here which I'm going to read to you in a moment that the relationship between Bruce and Dan isn't the same anymore but what really got the attention and less carpenters piece was the following. He wrote quote multiple people with knowledge of the situation. Say Snyder has is not made a decision. On Allen's future with the team the owners planning a full evaluation of the organization while Snyder often has such reviews one one person familiar with Snyder's plan said this one will focus more on the top than in past off seasons closed. Quote that from less carpenters story. So it's very. It's an interesting story in that. He goes into into great detail. And I'll read to you some of this About the deterioration of the Bruce Allen Dan Snyder relationship which again is not news at something. We've been talking about here on the podcast and on the radio show and J P has and others in town have been as well But then he comes back and says hey. It's not over yet. Bruce might still be here. 'cause multiple people with knowledge say Snyder hasn't made a decision and yet announced future with the team. Let me cut to the chase. As far as I'm concerned I still believe what I believed all along. And I've talked to the various people that I talked to every once in a while And they believe the same thing but nobody knows for sure. And I've made that very very clear. This is what I would call in informed hunch Bruce Islands islands and coming back in a football capacity next year and look. I mean if you're being realistic about this if you were the owner of this franchise and and you just looked at the record. Sixty to ninety seven and one and then you looked at revenue which has been declining and you looked at customer reaction and it's eroded significantly. How could you possibly employ this person as your team president moving forward? You can't fire yourself you're the owner. It is guys not a family member. He's not an owner of the organization. He doesn't have equity in the organization. Not that I know of. He doesn't have the right to stay in perpetuity. A TUITI. Dan Snyder may not be a great business person. But he's a business person. The thing is crumbling around him in enemy number number one is his team president who is sixty to ninety seven and one. There isn't one legitimate reason for one reasonable person and for keeping him but anyway I wanted to read a little bit from less carpenter story. Because there is some interesting information in a couple of quotes that I wanted to get to but I but what he starts off writing as he writes and I'll just read it from the top and I'll read you a couple of paragraphs at about at eight ten PM. Sunday some four hours after the Washington redskins had suffered their eleventh loss of the season team owner Daniel Snyder and his wife Tanya left his sweet at Fedex field field with injured quarterback Alex Smith and his wife Elizabeth the two couples got into separate black. SUV's that had been waiting in an area near the redskins locker room and drove away away from the stadium. The scene itself was not unusual. Less Carpenter writes. Snyder Snider often lingers in his suite after games. Sometimes well into the tonight. In Smith has become a regular companion of Snyder's while recovering from the horrific leg injury. He suffered last year. What drew the greatest attention? However was the the absence of team President Bruce Allen who was seen leaving the stadium about three hours before for most balanced decade in charge of the redskins run started exactly ten years ago? Tuesday yeah you know. We a lot of great things off the field we had the harvest fest at Fedex. Field the harvest best the harvest fest. Oh my God. Do they love the harvest festival. It's it's great for charity. Don't get me wrong. A lot of their causes and stuff great for charity they hang. Hang on that harvest fest in some of these events that they do where people show up and they're convinced the people still love him anyway. We're going to continue to drop some of those Bruce Allin greatest hits it's throughout the show. I get back to less carpenters piece. Where he's writing for most of Allen's decade in charge of the Redskins or run that started exactly ten years ago Tuesday day to day? He has been a constant presence at Snyder side walking with the owner onto the field before games and sitting with Snyder for hours long post game toxin sweet many of described. The two is being joined at the hip but in recent weeks. They've not been spotted together. Nearly as much snyder no longer goes onto the field before games leaving Alan to stand alone on the sideline the fact that Alan was not in the suite with Snyder and Alex Smith on Sunday only fueled speculation that Alan will soon be out as the team's president. And here's a quote less carpenter. Got First piece quote Bruce Not being in the post game. Sweet tweet is a big thing. One person who knows Snyder's and Allen's habits said later adding quote it's a sign. Bruce is in exile in closed quote so again Carpenters piece focuses on the different relationship. That Bruce I'm Dan have outwardly. It's the same stuff we've been talking about here for a while and others town have been talking about also These the Relationship Between Tween Alex Smith and Dan Snyder which we've referred to also And Carpenter does write that one of the reasons that relationship may be close as because the wives are very close. Elizabeth Smith and Tanya Snyder have become a very close according to Les Carpenter Story. I'm carpenter does right that He's got people essentially suggesting that Alex Smith wants to play next year and that there's really been no talk with Alex Smith and Dan Snyder about him assuming some sort of a front office job but anyway back to the part that got most of the attention. Multiple people with knowledge of the situation. Say Snyder is not made a decision on Alan's future with the team. I don't know what's true. I only know what I have been told from. You know people who would be either in the know or close to in the know and they don't say say it definitively they've really just said to me over the last couple of months. They've suggested that the relationship has not been the same in that. That's a clear cut indication that something's going on the Dan when he moves on from you. He moves on from you and they're not together as much and they don't hang out as much and when practices going on in Ashburn they used to be side by side on the field. That doesn't happen really anymore. nobody has said to me. Definitively that Dan's made up their mind at this. They just think that they've seen this before. And they believe that he is Leaning strongly in that direction and again why wouldn't he be. Why wouldn't he? Maybe thinking about moving on from Bruce Allen so I am sticking with my position and that is our my hunch I just cannot see any way that Bruce Allin returns I felt that way last year. I understand that I was wrong. I feel like this is an even more dire situation situation for the owner. All of the things that I mentioned are so obvious. The record the revenue the erosion of the fan base The HASHTAG Fire Bruce Alan. He's become enemy number one. They have to believe somewhere internally that firing him is going to give them some sort of positive response even though Oh smart people will realize that Dan Snyder still owns the team. Somebody called into the radio show this morning and suggested that they felt That they'd be and we would all be better off if Dan just move the team in the. NFL gave Washington an expansion team. Now there's no guarantee you're going to get a better owner but there is a guarantee of one thing you're not going to get a worse owner you know you're not gonna get something as bad as this so I actually think that's a very interesting question And I would be curious as to what fans thank as to whether or not they would. They would take what happened in Cleveland. You know when Cleveland moved to Baltimore for in the NFL immediately because of a storied history as storied franchise with a a loyal fan base the NFL came in and gave them an expansion team immediately and they got to keep the the team name and the team colors and all team records in the history and view that got offered up here. Would you take that. I don't even know where he'd move the team though like. Where's going to move? The team. Like the thought of him moving team to Los Angeles a few years ago in L. A. didn't have a team that would have been to me today in play way if L. A. didn't have two teams but we're we're on the obvious margin London is the boogeyman now. Okay and he spends from what. I'm told old a lot of time in Europe. A lot of time on the Amalfi coast in Italy a lot of time in the south of France on his boat. You know the money to move the team back to Saint Louis. What do you mean team? BACO put move the team to saint. Louis I can't imagine he gets to live in Saint Louis and Saint Louis is not a bad town right. It's actually a pretty good the town. I had to spend a lot of time in Saint Louis back. In the nineties schmucks supermarkets they were client of ours in my old business but anyway anyway That was the reporting from carpenter Again it was odd because he had some really good quotes in here and the source stuff about Snyder's not made a made his this decision analysis. Good stuff but it's like the whole story was about Allen and Snyder and the deterioration of their relationship and then you you get the multiple people with knowledge of the situation. Saying that Snyder's not made a decision announced future. Almost implying that Allen's still a possibility I just can't imagine how he could. It's still a possibility. Why would he be a possibility? You might ask well the only thing I ever come up with when I consider this question is that what Bruce's become for. Dan Is Probably something that's been perfectly timed. Dan has become a very much a public recluse. We haven't heard from him in an interview. He's not comfortable doing interviews From what I've been told He's not super comfortable. And we've seen this reported before it's not super comfortable lead meetings Bruce has been the guy in league meetings. You Know Bruce is a guy that a lot of people around the league respect. A lot of agents. Since may not respect Bruce Allen a lot of agents and players may not trust Bruce Allen may have total justification justification for doing so But there are people owners other league league executives that like Bruce and you know. I've been with Bruce once or twice before and you're sitting there having a normal conversation with him I mean. There's there's a bit of a chip in a bit of arrogance a little bit but it doesn't come off as a terrible a human being at all but as team president. The results are the results. They've been horrific. There's no person person other than an owner or family member of the owner pretty much that would continue to be employed with the record that he has and and it's not just the record as we know it's all of the other stuff that's added up to the most embarrassing sports organization out there. It's the Knicks and the redskins. That's the list you know those are the two right. Now that are at the bottom of the barrel. You WanNA throw in Jacksonville or somebody else. Fine it's in the bottom. I'm five percent of all sports franchises in terms of the ownership in terms of the way its run and And and that's just you know I. I don't know how you continue to employ people who have contributed to that Anyway I I wanted to mention something before where we get to a couple of other things including todd mcshay as Mock draft That is out a mock draft one point. Oh Oh And I want to get to that in a moment a few other things So before we get to some of the other stuff that I want to get to. I wanted to mention this story because we were just talking about about the dregs of these sports franchise world the redskins being one of them. Well apparently Jacksonville's one of them to I saw this story come across the crawl very early early this morning. It didn't get much attention but on the ESPN crawl this morning. So I looked up the details of it and I found the following the NFL Players Association warned players. There's yesterday against signing with the Jacksonville. Jaguars following the outcome of a grievance that was filed against the team apparently the the NFL PA one in arbitration grievance with Jacksonville. That said that Jacksonville tried to require players to get all off season medical treatment treatment at the team's facility which by the way contradicts the collective bargaining agreement and part of the NFL. PA statement. Yesterday said you as players may want to consider this result of this grievance hearing when you have a chance to select your next club essentially warning players. Be careful if you consider Jacksonville. You saw this specific instance that spark this grievance right. I did And I'll and I'll get into that moment because I want just mentioned this this other part of the story that I read in the last two years ears this was a report from the NFL PA yesterday's well in the last two years. More than twenty five percent of grievances filed by players. It's across the League have been filed against one team Jacksonville. You've got thirty two teams in the League in more than twenty five five percent of the player. Grievances filed against teams were filed against one team Jacksonville. That's amazing I mean I I. I did not personally know that it was as dysfunctional as it. Apparently is because to me Tom. Coughlin is a really good football guy. WHO's a hell of a football coach and he built something there immediately? That contended for a super bowl just two years ago they were in the AFC championship game after going into Pittsburgh and winning and then they had a legit Gitte chance to beat the Patriots in the AFC title game but it apparently is not a good organization. So you mentioned I'm the specific Instance so Dante. Fowler the LINEBACKER Four Jacksonville who is now in La with the Rams during the twenty eighteen off season program. He was fined twenty five times for Missing Mandatory Appointments With the Club Web trainer or physician so the arbitrator basically that looked into this grievance rejected Jacksonville's arguments that they had the right to find him for not re Habbing at the club facility which is not part of the CBA. Those off season activities are voluntary. So so he does not need to be there for that according to the NFL PA And the The finding on the grievance events so anyway I bring this up for this reason see you've got the NFL PA out. There warning warning players to stay away from one nineteen basically Jacksonville. And I think will they haven't done that with the redskins inasmuch as we think the redskins the worst franchise in the history of sports they have we haven't Heard the NFL PA worn players about signing with the redskins and then again they have not had an incident like this but they have had an incident here over the last year Trent Williams the Trent Williams incident. Why didn't the NFL PA speak out? In defense of Trent Williams Games during this whole time they just came out with a strong statement against a team Jacksonville. Now there's twenty. Five percent ascended clearances filed filed over the last two years. Have Been Against Jacksonville. So there's a lot more evidence that Jacksonville is a problem for its players but plus probably a big reason. It's a it's a big part of the reason but given the nature of the whole Trent Williams Saga and how wrong he believes he was was wronged by the franchise in a life or death matter the only time we heard from the NFL pa.. Correct me. If I'm wrong I could. I could have missed this is when the NFL PA agreed to have a third party investigation. Of the Trent Liam situation with the redskins the NFL PA VA wanted it. The redskins wanted and the League wanted and Trent Williams was the one that decided. He didn't want it. I just thought that reading that in sing the outrage against Jacksonville from the NFL PA and that we hadn't heard anything from the NFL. PA ABOUT THE REDSKINS we've heard from agents you know remember the USA needed a poll from a year and a half ago. Maybe two years ago. Now that Bruce Allen was the m- the least trusted football executive in the NFL But we haven't heard any direct statements from the NFL PA.. And I thought you know after reading this man. They didn't weigh in at all. I don't believe on the Trent Brent Williams situation but anyway I thought that was an interesting thing Jacksonville. Apparently a scarier place to go to the NFL for the NFL PA.. The Players Association Asian. Then even the Redskins All right quick word on mybookie dot. Ag If you don't have a place to wager you're looking for a place to bet. Sports consider mybookie mybookie DOT AG. And Right now they will match your deposit a halfway. So if you deposit two hundred dollars they will match you up to one hundred dollars. If if they if you deposit two thousand dollars they will match you all the way up to a thousand dollars that gives you an extra thousand dollars if you put a deposit in all right for two thousand dollars mybookie DOT AG if you use my Promo Code Kevin DC. 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You know this all falls under the WE'RE GONNA nor when we have these conversations that Dan Snyder still owns the team and that nothing good can happen if the Snyder owns the team. That's a that's a given in all of this but what are we gonNA do. Stop talking about football. Stop talking about you know the draft and the players they can get no. We're not going to stop talking about that. So this weekend's a big weekend for draft positioning Cincinnati. Plays Miami the redskins play the giants right now. The the these are the top four teams and draft order Cincinnati because of the one win with the giants Redskins in dolphins each having three wins. They're pretty much locked. End Up with the number one pick. I doubt they're going to win. Two Games here. They could beat Miami Sunday. Could beat Cleveland in the season finale. Well he's not crazy. It's not nuts but you know they know what's at stake to hear. You know Joe Boroughs at stake. I you know the one of the best bets of all time time would be is that Cincinnati loses at least one more game. Yes you know would be great is if they beat Miami Ryan fiddly Starts Bay. I'm playing Cleveland on the money. Line for everything because there's no way they're going to blow the opportunity to draft Joe Borough. I'm convinced that one of the reasons that Andy Dalton is back behind centers because as they did get that gap they could afford to win a game or two. This was when they were winless at the time but if they go in and beat Miami it wouldn't surprise me to see Ryan Finley behind center week. Seventeen and went. I like Ryan Finley. I know he didn't play well in the couple of starts that he got but I actually think he looks like an NFL quarterback to me in a guy that's going to have a chance to be decent Down the road Not for Cincinnati though since they'll have jober yet so let's just assume that Cincinnati ends up the number one spot and takes Joe Borough that means that the giants redskins skins and dolphins really those three teams are in the chase young sweepstakes right now chase young is the number one guy on the Kuyper board. He I think is the number one guy on the mcshea mcshea board to even though McShane is mock draft has Cincinnati. Taking Joe Borough number one overall what of the redskins lacked for ever ever a quick twitch pass rushing specialist and he's more than that he set the single season record for sacks for Ohio state. This sure that's Ohio state cates Stony Brook all right. He actually set the record for the most sacks ever. They've had a couple of the boasts here in recent years the bosses it turned into monsters in the NFL Chase Young's at difference maker at least talent wise projecting to the next level. He looks like a true difference. Prince maker from demographia local guy played at Ohio State and the difference between picking number two and then picking number three four or five is chase young. You can't blow this opportunity you cannot you gotTA lose this game to the giants. You gotTA lose that season finale to the cowboys a game in which Dallas may not have anything to play for if Dallas Beats Philly on Sunday that last game against the redskins meaningless. They are you know they're locked into the four recede as the NFC's champion whether they are nine and seven or eight doesn't matter now maybe the cowboys will be like we gotta keep playing well. We beat the rams would beat the eagles. Also let's finish it our game win streak to allow momentum to fall off. Yeah I mean maybe the But this is a big deal especially if if it's the giants a team to play twice a year I mean what if chased young turns into Khalil. Mack or Lawrence Taylor as a pass rusher Here's what did todd mcshay has. Todd mcshay Has Cincinnati picking one overall and taking Joe Borough ended giant speaking number. Two ranking chase young right now the order this according to field yates this morning bengals giants Dolphins Redskins Redskins. The fourth is on tiebreak race in the tiebreakers are all strength of schedule. Yes the weaker schedule you had the higher you will pick because essentially what that means. Is You played a weaker schedule. And had the same record. Is that team that means you suck even more. Yes 'cause you played lesser teams. Now that can change over the final two weeks because although it's not probably going I it'll the giants are playing. The redskins reds are playing. The giants are both three and eleven. So nothing's going to change their. They're the giants finished with the Eagles and the redskins finished with the cowboys. So the giants more likely than not going to end up with an easier schedule now. The good news placed. I played this week. So the loser. There's not GonNa be a tie breaker if they lose the finale the dolphins could be a problem though playing. The dolphins could be a problem but they've closed with New England true so I mean we could do the math on that real quickly but anyway Bottom Line is in MC shays a mock draft. He's got the giants assuming maybe the Redskins as the as the favourite this week beats the giants giants getting chased young at number two. And then here the Redskins picking Jerry. Judy Wide Receiver Alabama Obama. Three and mcshea rights. Washington needs an offensive tackle. Some cornerback help but it also has to get more play playmakers around rookie quarterback Dwayne Haskins. It will be really hard to pass on adding judy opposite. Terry maclaurin Judy's by far the best route runner in the country So he's got judy going to the Redskins at number three and then at number four to Miami. He's got to tug of Iowa. So you know the Redskins at three if the giants take chase young would have a chance to draft to if it really liked to. I don't think it will now. They I don't know I think the interesting thing so this goes back to a conversation. I was having the redskins press box. Probably three or four weeks ago at this point and it's what do you you do if you're the redskins and you you're at number two and then if you're at number three and can't remember who was someone who was advocating even if they were at number two you gotta out of trade back some players there there's two there's chase young someone's going to give up a lot and I was arguing. You can't pass up on a generational potential title generational talent like chase young you trade back in certain situations but when you have that true you know once in a generation player especially in the situation. The redskins are where they need someone. They need a face of the franchise. I don't see how you can pass on chase young even though I understand defensive players. It's tough tough to be face of the franchise. I think that it's more than just. A you know a potential generational talent. It's a generational talent at a position that impacts games aims more than any other position other than quarterback. You know if you were talking about people saying generational wide receiver running back offense lineman. I think I might be in that camp camp of trying to leverage that position trading back given their position right now. Roster wise accumulating more picks and adding more players the volume of players players with this franchise. Because they've missed so much in the draft volume is key the more you pick the greater chance you have on hitting on a guy or two But not chase young would not pass on chase young at number two if the Redskins were there now number three would yes. This would get interesting. Because if to is healthy in projected to be healthy in his being evaluated at a very high level. Almost in line with Joe Borough within the Redskins may have an opportunity to leverage that three spot for more picks as well For teams wanting to trade up in front of same Miami to get to say the chargers Say a a lot of teams say Jacksonville say Carolina The chargers for their future quarterback you know the raiders are all the sudden not very happy with their air car right and they're moving to Las Vegas You know you got a lot of those teams that that could be looking at that as a big move up in terms of like you know the projected teams it would be behind. How `Bout Mea? I don't think Detroit's in the quarterback market Stafford's getting older and he's been injury prone a little bit The jets obviously had their answer. Hits from thinking about the other bad teams. Arizona went number one last year. They encounter Murray collars been good enough. Yeah he's been more than good enough. Yeah But anyways so oh judy three but again keep in mind if Tua ends up climbing the the the the the boards of teams they could still at number three Ebina leveragable position If if the quarterbacks become more prominent still pretty it's a pretty good spot to be in number virtues. Better though yeah number two number tighter chase young of course and it's an interesting position number three because not just for for but people are forgetting that judy came into the season as the consensus number one prospect on the board I know he did. He wasn't necessarily going to go number one but he was the highest rated rate anywhere near right. Young young was up there. She would he was. He's up there. Andrew Thomas the offense vying for the Georgia was up there You Know Justin Herbert. And to and We're all we're both quarterbacks quarterbacks rated ahead of Joe Borough Joe Borough really with that Texas game started to jump into the first round and then obviously he's become you know he he played you know one of the things. Things is about him in watching him. His he has all of the intangibles to go with the actual talent. You know he's he seems to be a a guy that you can build a franchise. He seems to be Aaron Rodgers. You know that's that's what He. He appears to be watching him. Play College football but Judy is the interesting the redskins because he's very good and yes he can help the team. I just don't know if you're the redskins and you have the number three pick that you can take a wide receiver there and what the fan base reaction would-be and I also think it's GonNa be really interesting with respect to the wide receivers because this. This is a heavy wide receiver. First round draft in fact Let me go through the wide wide receivers in the first round in In the Todd mcshay draft judy at number three CD lamb from Oklahoma number six to Arizona. rezone A- Then you get T HIGGINS FROM CLEMSON TO CLEVELAND AT fourteen. Just Jefferson who I like a lot wide receiver ever LSU to Indianapolis LA- viscous Chenault junior a wide receiver from Colorado. Sixteen to the raiders. Then it's Henry rugs the second I can't Alabama Wide Receiver Philadelphia at Eighteen Then it is brandon. Iu the receiver from Orissa's State to Buffalo at twenty three. Then it's Devante Smith Wife Third Alabama wide receiver to Green Bay at Twenty Six. That's eight wide receivers projected in the first round in mcshea as draft eight. I can't remember the last time eight were taken. We're looking at up right now Seven two thousand four that appears to be the record since the merger in nineteen seventy seven wide receivers taken taken in two thousand and four. McShane's got eight going in the first round In in the twenty twenty draft All right so anyway That's quarterbacks if you're interested in that after two Justin Herbert goes ten And then I believe. That's the last quarterback taken in the first round in his mock draft. So he's got three. QB's going in the first round of the draft All right so that's that. How about the game? Last night The Monday night game drew brees. I saw them debating this morning. Breeze or Peyton eight man and Gimme a break peyton manning. Every day of the week twice on Sunday. I'll take peyton manning over drew brees. Drew brees is a lock first ballot hall of Famer. He's probably a top ten quarterback of all time. I've got him sort of you. Know in the back half of that top ten list maybe even outside the top ten barely but certainly right around number ten Peyton Manning's right around on number three or two or one depending on what you think Peyton Manning. He's in the top five. He's not a he's not closer he's he's closer to one breezes closer to ten and Brees has been great though and last night's performance couple of things real quickly about the game last night number one it was almost as sickening as the game that Joe Oh tests tour booger McFarland and and And and and Witton adjacent uncalled last year when the redskins went to New Orleans and he was about to break the yardage passing the mark male. Manning happens in Primetime. Yeah and it was all about breeze in that was week four. The redskins are two and one coming off a win over Green Bay. And it's like hey there's a game being played here guys. It's not just about drew brees. It's only week. Four redskins are two in one. This is a big game for them. Of course it got out of hand early really in that game but Last night was the same thing. I did not watch the second half so I actually didn't see him. Break the record but the whole first half was about this. Damn record occurred the touchdown record which Tom Brady is three touchdowns behind breeze. Yeah that's GonNa be fun got they're going to go back and forth here so we may get God forbid we get another broadcast. Asked where it's all about drew brees or Payton or Tom Brady breaking records Who was amazing about the game last night though is is it? Drew brees set the mark last night for the single single game. Completion percentage rate. He was unbelievable. Ninety six EXP point seven percent. Completion percentage lash last night. He was twenty nine of thirty twenty nine of thirty for three hundred seven yards and four touchdowns no sacks no interceptions his QBR his raw QBR number was ninety. Seven seven point zero on a scale of zero to one hundred. I don't know how it wasn't a hundred. And then his passer rating was one forty eight point nine. I mentioned earlier this morning. How is that not a perfect perfect passer rating of one fifty eight point three? Somebody said it's because the yardage wasn't high enough for the completions which would equate to an average completion and You know it was ten point two yards per completion last night for for breach so he needed that to be higher to get a perfect passer rating twenty nine of thirty for three hundred seventy yards no quarterback nfl histories ever thrown more than twenty passes with a completion percentage. That High Philip rivers actually set the record last year. Who's twenty eight twenty nine? So breeze did him one better going twenty nine of thirty last night and New Orleans you know ended Indianapolis opelousas playoff hopes if you thought that they had any and confirmed that Andrew Luck is indeed better than Jacoby percent. If you didn't know that already. Even though I like percent he's not played well L. and he's been inconsistent. He's had some games that that haven't been terrible and he's had some games that haven't been great. New Orleans is in the running for the number one seed in the NFC and There are a lot of teams it is top heavy in the NFC right now. Green Bay New Orleans. Seattle San Francisco all all in the running for the number one seed right four teams with two weeks left in the running for the onc- that's unusual. I believe it's not unusual to have two teams and it may be not even three four teams all have a shot at the one seed in Homefield advantage throughout the NFC postseason And then Five teams have a shot at a first round round by Minnesota ten and four still has a chance to be a top two seed and be a first round bye When the playoffs begin but good night for drew brees and some entertaining football to be played here over the final two weeks of the season? They have an interesting final two games. They play at Tennessee this this week and finish at Carolina you know. They're not always the same team on the road. They are in the Dome Tennessee game is big for Tennessee. Obviously a big for for for New Orleans. I hope that they don't end up with home. Field advantage throughout I just I hope they don't I their favorite not right the the NFC West Division winner is favourite right now to get the one seed right because Both teams If they go either team right if they go thirteen and three although the saints would win the tiebreaker over Seattle and they would lose the tiebreaker to San Francisco so The saints are rooting for for Seattle to finish thirteen and three opposite. They're thirteen and three and then The packers still have a shot with two games left. They play at Minnesota Soda Monday night and then they finish at Detroit. M- actually really looking forward to this weekend final weekend and NFL playoff football but spaghetti this weekend have have you realized how good Saturday is for the NFL. We talked about it yesterday. I mean you know I I brought this up to yesterday and you said I didn't even know I forgot about the tripleheader collateral. Yeah it's a great tripleheader Saturday. Unbelievable triple it's good. It's a good slate in general but all three of the top five games are on Saturday and then we still have the Monday night game. which is Great Vikings packers? And then you know you mentioned the The Titans Skin Titans Saints which is on Sunday and we didn't get the Cowboys Eagles in the late window and on Sunday however the heck yeah but it's for playoffs yes but yet the tripleheader on Saturday is Houston Tampa. Tampa's really interesting. They're seven and seven even they've won. How many games in a row foreign ro I mean you're lucky in the NFC this year if you're some of those top teams. I'm saying this in all seriousness. You're lucky that you know one nine. Seven wildcard isn't a possibility anymore. Because I don't know how many teams would wanNA play Tampa right now in the postseason them with what they're capable of producing offensively with if Godwin is out along with Evans then you would say whatever but yes. I mean if you're talking about the Tampa from the last three games with Chaim as Winston throwing even with the first drive interceptions four hundred fifty yards a game. You know the Games. They lost early in the year. They lost an absolute devastating dating game to Daniel Jones and His mercy nerd that missed to the giant and then we have drought field goal. The missed easy field goal. They lost a game in New Orleans that they had a chance to win. They lost a game to the titans. They had a chance to win. And then the Seattle game out in Seattle. I weren't they up like twenty one to three or something like that feels quite that much but they were up up and then you ended up losing. They ended up losing overtime In that game They that's one of those teams that who do they finish with the Texans. And then who are the Falcons Saints are Lucky. They're not finishing the bucks. Yeah in that season finale. Meeting a win for seeding purposes Jameis Winston. The thing is fascinating and I feel like it might go down the kirk cousins road. They're gonNA franchise in they might franchise him a second time. And then we'll see what happens. I would never never let Jameis Winston go. I've I've talked about this before in the radio show. I think I've talked about it on the podcast. I know I got into an argument with Gregg about this year at Tampa Fan. I just have always had this feeling that Jameis Winston was the real deal. I know that there are plenty of reasons to absolutely laugh. Breath that notion I watch him play and I'm like this dude can just flat out sling it. This guy is fearless. This guy I looks at times and carries himself at times like a big time leader. I know he's had so many issues off the field and clearly clearly you know. He throws his many the other team as he does to his own team. Easy leads the League with twenty four interceptions and it's not even close. I think Baker Mayfield's got seventeen gene. So he's seven behind we're winston is but he's also thrown for thirty touchdowns this year and only Lamar Jackson thrown for more Jackson's since got thirty three and he's thrown for four thousand five hundred and seventy three yards. He's going to be a five thousand plus yard. Passer this shear And you know. Completion percentage isn't great compared to what's really good these days but it's still sixty one point seven percent. His last two games his last two games. He's thrown for nine hundred and fourteen yards eight touchdowns four interceptions he keeps spoke teams in it man. I it's it's I mean. The question is simply like they don't want to let him go. DO THEY WANNA give him a nick foles contract. DO THEY WANNA give him or more than that. The note the the bigger issue to consider I is what is the market for Jameis Winston. who were they competing with? Is there a big competitive landscape for James Winston because you you can compare it to the kirk cousins thing. Kirk cousins was more of sort of a solid. There was an understanding ending that you could if you had a team around him. You're getting a great guy. You're getting a high completion percentage guy you were getting you know you're you're getting a guy somewhere in the top ten to top fifteen. You know he wasn't going to be elite. Buddy was not going to disappoint you. Either with James Winston. You don't know what you're getting in terms of character. I mean you should have an idea and you know you're getting a guy that can put up massive numbers but for the other team as much as your team. I like Jameis Winston. And how old is James Winston Twenty seven at this point Z.. That old twenty six. Whatever he is I give him a shot? If I would have is or twenty five. He came into the League it. If I didn't have an answer a quarterback I think I would be a I in the market for Jameis Winston but I know I'm in the minority in that so I mean before you know for a month ago you would have said there would be no market now you say well. We're seeing the you know what he can be and what he can be is the easiest comparison is Brett. Farve like light yeah Brett farve light. Yes Yep yeah. That's probably I mean you know. It's not a perfect comparison. But the idea is all the interception audiard's yeah I hope he gets the triple Crown The triple triple crown being touched on an interceptions and yardage in yardage. Why's that the triple crown just because why not did you just make that up for you? Other people consider to be the triple crown. Yeah I've never heard that before that we've never had a situation like this before where a player has led in touchdowns yardage interceptions. I'm pretty sure at least we've never had that before so he also leads the league in sacks now. I'm sorry does Tyler Marine Kyle Alan Alan hasn't even started fourteen games Lead the league in sacks I like Jameis Winston I I don't know I I don't know if I were Tampa Fan. You are what I would feel about. What do you you do you want? This is your team. Yeah you liked the Tampa. Bay buccaneers Jameis Winston back or not. I want him back. I don't know if I want to give him market market value. I I think the the move is franchise him but I know what that starts. We've seen it with Kirk cousins and eventually you get to. Oh my God. He has all the power. It's it's hard to let them walk away at this point though. It's very very hard to let them walk away. Because you do see exactly what he can be you know we get sidetracked and some of these conversations sometimes go on too long but I just want to keep it going a little bit longer. Bruce Arians being there Byron left which who I guess is going to be up for a potential Hejab Ajab. Todd Bowles is the defensive coordinator who has not done a great job. They need some more talent. Defensively how's that rookie Devon White Plate. He's been okay. The whole defense defense has been a little up and down other than Shaq Barrett. WHO's right awesome out of nowhere He's been pretty good but not you know. He hasn't been a complete start or anything that team same with Arians in their staff could be a factor next year they could you know th year two variants there they they they won four in a row coming down the stretch. Some of that stuff when you get the same group coming back in and playing well and you got some. I don't know if there's any carryover the over not a lot but you you're seeing what their potential is here in. That is to score a lot of points. Also give a lot if you can add some defensive talent and and And get better defense. That could be a team that goes from. Say Eight to eleven and five next year Still a tough division with New Orleans in it you know assuming oh you know brees and everybody's coming back But anyway That's enough about Tampa Bay. Would he say we end our conversation about Tampa Bay Last thing Before we end the show today Quicker show today Then then yesterday is the NFL. Put out there List of wide receivers favors for the NFL. One hundred list Something that we've talked a lot about you know when especially with the Rigaud stuff when he wasn't included on that list of of of running running backs the finalist list. I didn't think that rigor would be a top ten running back but I thought he should be on the list of twenty four final so anyway the receiver lists came out and a lot of. You tweeted me me. And I'm going to read down the list of receivers that are on the final an NFL one hundred Find Final Twenty four wide receivers that will then become the ten receivers that make the team Lance Allworth. He should be on Raymond Barre he should be on. Fred Bullet Nicola. Okay Chris Carter. Tom Fears. Larry Fitzgerald Marvin Harrison Zimbabwe's elroy crazy legs Hirsch Don Hudson Michael Irvin Calvin Johnson Charlie Joiner Steve largent Dante Lavelli from the forties and and Fifties James Lofton Don Maynard Randy Moss. Terrell Owens peop- hosts. I'd never heard of him forties and fifties. He was an Eagle Jerry. Rice John Stallworth. Charlie Taylor and Paul Warfield other listed alphabetically if you're wondering In the the final list of twenty four from this list ten we'll be selected to the NFL one hundred eighteen. Charlie Taylor should absolutely be on this list and Gladys Charlie Taylor is somehow you know I think in many ways as an underrated redskin in part of it is that it's been so long since he played so I understand that part of it. Charlie Taylor's the greatest redskins wide receiver ever. He's greater than art. Monk was Charlie. Taylor was a hall of fame inducted. I think you know a year after eligibility may be two years after eligibility took art monk too long to get into the hall of fame. I've always considered Charlie Taylor to be the greatest wide receiver in Redskins history. He was the first receiver. I remember watching on teams. That had billy kilmer Sunny Johnson. Jerry Smith Roy Jefferson Larry Brown at Cetera. Good football teams now. A lot of his yardage greatness happened in the sixties with sunny. I I don't remember those teams on one around for those teams But I I understand that The they were a lethal offensive team. And just didn't have defense in the sixties. Charlie Taylor should be on this list. I'm glad he is. What about art? Monk so the art monk conversation you know. He went into the hall of fame. Well past the point he should have gone into the hall of fame as a joke that art monk took so long that it took so long to get art monk into the hall of fame. There's a lot of politics on the hall of fame. Same Committee A lot of Peter King a negative involvement in the a delay in getting art monk into the hall of Fame Art Monk was a clear cut hall of Famer the day he retired hired as the all time leading pass catcher in NFL history Why it took so long again who knows There was a clear misunderstanding of what art monk was as a wide receiver from guys. That should have known better You also get into the situation where you know the people that present you the people that make take your case have to be really good at it And I don't know that that's what art monk hat on his own behalf on his on his behalf over the years and I I don't even know all of the people that presented resented art monk and made the case for art. Monk in those meetings I just know that art. Monk should've been in the hall of fame long before he got into the hall of fame with that said should be on the list of the twenty-four greatest receivers of all time that will be pared down to the ten on the NFL one hundred list. I don't feel as passionate about monk not being on this list just as I did. Reagan's not being on the list. Because immediately I went down the list and I said here a couple of guys that to me. I watched a lot of football. I watched I watched rigorous career here in Washington Antony And I watched all of these other careers and to me Rigel was just better. I mean I didn't need numbers for I just watched with my own eyes and said Rigaud was better than these guys. You know art monk there a couple of couple of guys on this list that I feel art monk was better than not in the same passionate. A definitive way that I felt rigaud was better than some of the guys on the list. But I do think on this list that art monk was better her then John Stallworth as an example In Pittsburgh Stallworth was part of a great team. Dynasty team with Terry Bradshaw with Lynn. Swann Swan is their number one guy with Franco Harris Rocky bleier really some of the greatest defenses in. NFL History Stallworth was Took Stallworth a hell of a long time. They're they're they actually have very comparable hall of fame Discussions and and narratives and pads. ADS Stallworth it. took him fifteen years. After he retired to get into the hall of fame it was debatable on him. A more so than I think it was as with monk He was a hall of fame. inductee fifteen years after his career ended Art Monk was better than John. Stallworth Stallworth I do. I think he was a better receiver. John Stallworth Art. Monk had better Mo- numbers than Michael Irvin. And that's you know soda. Gary Clark's numbers are consistent with Michael Irvin's numbers as well but I don't think art monk was a better receiver. Michael Irvin at best. I think they were comparable. You know Michael Irvin has far fewer receptions than monk does but it doesn't really matter. I watched Michael Irvin to I watched. I watched these receivers. They're very comparable monk. If you're curious is number twenty still on the all time receptions list number twenty It is St- so urban to me is fine being on this list I it. It's absolutely fine line having him be on this list. Chris Carter I take art monk over Chris Carter I would took Carter remember a lot of it was for personal reasons as it was with monk because he was not a great media Guy Carter because of some of his off the field. Transgressions took Carter thirteen years to get into the hall of fame. Carter Scott you know a lot more receptions options among played you know in a slightly different air not completely different you know his first five or six years was with monk but he played into the two thousands I think I would take monk in front of Charlie Joiner you know I think it was Charlie Joiner who monk passed. On the all time receptions list for number one judge joiner. I think was passed I think. Joyner past Charlie Taylor who was number one on that list. Taylor Pass Don Maynard on that list I think I have that right I mean I watched Charlie Joiner on those great charger teams with Kellen winslow and John Jefferson and Dan fouts and Chuck Muncie. I watch those I watch joyner play more towards the end of his career in that air. coryell offense art monk was better than Charlie joiner come on art. Monk was every bit with James Lofton was in my view. There is on this list. Stallworth Lofton Charlie Joiner Carter that yeah. I think monk was better than I think. It's it's more debatable than I think. Some of the guys that run the list in front of Rigaud but I think monks should be on this final twenty four list If you're looking for If you're looking for my view on that that's I would have been on this list. It's more or debatable. With some of these guys and it was with wriggling his guys but I put monk on the final twenty four monk would not be in the top ten list. Give the top ten right now. K Lance Allworth is going to be in the top ten Larry Fitzgerald's going to be in the top ten Teach Randy Moss is going to be in the top ten. Terrell Owens is going to be in the top ten that's four Jerry Rice obviously in the top ten. That's five I think Calvin Johnson Calvin Johnson. It's and it's a unique case. It is a unique case with short career. I think Calvin Johnson's probably in the top ten. That's six I still got more to go I guess some of these older guys are GONNA end up. He's that's the way it's on Raymond Barre maybe let Nicole Linda Kaufman. Will you talk about the all time. Possession receiver yeah I know those teams in the Ram in the fifties with the rams of read about those teams with Tom Fears Etcetera. Were really really good. Teams anyway. I gave us six of my king gave the rest bs. I The too many guys on this less. I didn't see play. I have no. I didn't even know who Pete Pyro was or Pi House never heard of him. Eagles nineteen forties fifties. Good for him. all right that's it for the show today We've got an APP if you wanna download mode the APP you can do it on your iphone or the APP store or on your android through the Google store. Have a great day back today back tomorrow. 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Bad News Continues for the Washington NFL Franchise

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Bad News Continues for the Washington NFL Franchise

"It's boomer and Geo on the fan and the CBS sports network. boomer sizing Gregg Giannotti boomer and Geo on the fan simulcast across the country on CBS sports network in wherever you are on radio. Dot Com boomer out again today we back on Monday. Jerry RECCO in four him. The Washington Story The Washington. Football Franchise Story from the Washington Post. Did, hit twitter and the Internet yesterday afternoon, and it was something that was much-anticipated, because there was all sorts of rumors out there about what it could be and it turned out to be fifteen. Women alleging sexual harassment in the workplace and specific names. That were attached to those none of which were Dan Snyder or Bruce Allin by the way specifically, of course, those guys being in charge, and not doing anything, and not knowing about it sort of what we saw with Mark Cuban not that long ago, and he said he had no idea any of it was going on, and we'll find out Dan Snyder's knowledge of this situation by. All those guys that were involved with this mysteriously a week or so ago ended up getting fired, and we didn't know exactly. Why, and now we know why the details of this of course are. What you would expect in the world of. Just. Disgusting Office Place Stuff. which is far too common should not be common any longer, and it's just years of really really abhorrent behavior from people who are in charge and abused those privileges for far too long and environment. They clearly needs to change. All Right Jerry Good Morning. Then our you Jay good morning. How are you, sir? Doing okay I mean it's another one of these bad stories in these things that you don't want to talk about of course yesterday, people were getting. It twisted about wanting to know what the story was being excited about what the story was. It's not so much that it's just the patient of this thing was certainly something like I hadn't seen in a long time. It was just one of those stories that it seem like everybody had a theory on what could be and there were. Things are leaking. You didn't know whether it was going to be true or not. He just wanted to see. See It, so you could end up talking about it and realize you know what it was going to mean for. That organization is also a lot of fans of that franchise. That wanted to know if they're owner was going to be that owner any longer because they couldn't stand the guy. That's really where that was coming. And there's certainly the call out there for for him to you know basically give up the team at this point to with the story that came out yesterday, and it does I'm with you. It's amazing to me that you know in that. This still happens in the workplace. Workplace, environments is so diverse now you know across every which way you know. I don't understand how it's allowed and tolerated and so. They came out. It's not what we were reading yesterday for sure and you know to. Your point is well about whatever word you want to use anxiety anticipation curious you know. Part of that was because of who was putting out the feelers, and and the notion of what was coming down the Pike and those were big NFL reporters. It wasn't just you know Tom. Jones seventeen on twitter. I mean it was names. You're familiar with and so when you hear that and you see that you're like. Wow, okay. Something's happening today and they're thinking about what was going on with the. The, redskins already for the past week with the name change, and so they've something that they've defended over the years, and they've basically been able to avoid was now unavoidable, and they are doing the right thing, and they are changing the team name, and so you had that, and on the heels of this you start seeing those tweets and stories, and you're waiting for the story to come out, so use whatever words you want. It came out not at ten one, but more towards the latter stages of the afternoon and we will see if Daniel Snyder is forced to sell this team. Based on these stories you know. The names that came out. There are a couple of interesting ones because you know to. A few of them fired already one retired Larry Michael the radio announcer. We found out just promptly or abruptly spray a better word retired, and he by all accounts was insiders quote unquote inner circle as the stories read, and also I guess his coo of the team clearly working side by side with Daniel Steiner, so there are some big names in that in that article that with these allegations. Allegations that you know I. Think we're a little surprising to me for sure, but also surprising that Snyder's name was not so i. don't know where it goes from here but that was the news yesterday that everybody was not to hear, but was waiting to hear about and so you know I don't know how you move on from this, but that's that's where we're with the redskins right now. Now or the Washington football team whatever we're calling it did it did make me think about that Dallas Mavericks Story. Because there was a lot of stuff that was going on in that organization that was bad guys had to be fired and mark. Cuban basically. Listen I. I'm telling you the truth I didn't know about any of this stuff. And then a lot of people watch hard to believe you're. You're the owner of the team. You're very involved. We see you in the stands. How did you not know about any of it? And he said listen, you could believe me or not, but I don't know about any of it and the and the difference between these two things and the fallout from an what's going to happen. Is that mark? Cuban had delivered a championship to that franchise and I. Say this stuff matters, but. It does he is a little well liked the guy and he is someone who has had a ton of success in other areas of his life, so when Mark Cuban says I didn't know this was going on I'm going to change this thing. This organization's going to look different. You believe him, and you give him the benefit of the doubt, even though he's the owner of a franchise that was having this type of behavior happened under his nose with Dan. Snyder, there's no benefit of the doubt with him. Any longer I don't think there's anybody who's GonNa. Say you know really. Really I can't believe the Dan Snyder was the owner of a team that had all these guys looking up the skirts of women while they're going up to staircase the Dan Snyder team Dan Snyder had guys working for him. That were texting women who worked in the organization I WANNA. Grab your ass. That can't be possible I. Mean Dan Snyder such an upstanding individual now everybody's GonNa believe the hell. Yeah, that happened in that organization, because that guy is a bad guy, he is someone who clearly doesn't have control. He's hired a bunch of people that were running amok and. A toxic culture there so everybody's is going to end up believing every allegation because this organization has just been that Organization for the better part of well I guess you know however long his own. Yeah, I mean they haven't had the best reputation, and you're right I. Think it goes to the benefit of the doubt, track record, and all sorts of things like that. You know the one thing with the Cuban situation and why I do believe him in a case like that is you know? Have you ever been around a certain place? Where when the boss is present? People Act Different. You know in a case like Mark Cuban and if you. Look into his past and his history and his professional life, it's not Mavericks Mavericks only I mean. The Guy has business after business after business. He travels a lot I. don't get the sense and I don't know this. We have to talk to people that cover the team in Dallas I know. A lot of the Games, if not all of them, I don't know how many he misses, but I know he's all over the world, essentially with the private jet and tending to different things my guess would be. It is possible that things like that could go on under your nose, or you know without you being aware of because you're just not simply fair enough, and then when you are there. People are on their best behavior. When the ball I mean we see it here, you. You know when mark. Chernoff walks through the newsroom whether we're just talking fantasy baseball, or whatever nonsensical stuff that art. It's really not pertinent to the job. We're supposed to be doing but kids. If someone's in here, being paid to cut tape and instead he's flipping around watching three's company on TV on a Tuesday night will mark. Chernoff walks through the newsroom. He's not doing that I. mean it's just different. All of a sudden you're antennas are up. Be Best behavior so I do agree. That some guys in the benefit of the doubt and listen once you can probably give him a pass as long as the track record in the history is good. We're Daniel Snyder. There's a long list of things that those redskin fans and football fans really don't like so I agree with you that he's not the type of guy that's going to get a pass on something like this. No absolutely not, and what's really sad about this story to is you hear a couple of beat writers that are starting their career, also people that are in this organization, a couple of women who get hired. It was your dream to work in. In the NFL then they get thrown into this horrible environment. And then you're the one who was detailed the the most that her story was she sobbing at her desk doesn't want to work in Pro Sports. Any longer I mean that type of stuff. No Me and you don't have to deal with you know. When we got into sports when we got into radio and Wfan and sports talk radio. We didn't have to deal with that type of stuff. I mean. Yeah, you'd get some people that want to when you're. When you're an intern. You can do certain things you have to go. Pick up lunch or stuff like that whatever? Whatever that's nothing that that type of stuff when you're going through the business is nothing compared to what certain female employees have to put up with and I couldn't even imagine that when I got hired for a dream job, but then all these these pigs that are working in the officers care about what I'm wearing. How tight it is and how they could catch me in a stairwell to get a glimpse of me, and that's all that I've been basically turned into in this office. It's not the job that I do. It's not the work that I do. It's not ally. ACT AROUND PEOPLE. It's just how I look I mean. Mean I mean that stuff is just it's been going on for years and years and years, and finally we're getting to a point in this country where it's not going to be tolerated any longer. It's not being tolerated any longer, so that part of the story to me is tough because you think about because we. We have worked at the place that we've always wanted to work. We always had a dream to work where we're working soda. These alleged victims in this story and then they get there and is what happens to them. I mean that's that's the type of stuff I. I couldn't even imagine being in their shoes. To hearing some of the things that are reading some of the things I read yesterday, I will tell you this I mean Ron Rivera is the new head coach of that team and he did have the quote. Have to move forward from this and make sure everybody understands. We have policies that we will follow, and we will have an open door policy with no retribution. My daughter works for this team now and I sure as hell I'm not going to allow any of this, so you've got to thinking now. Listen I. Don't know how much that the head coach. Coach can control what goes on in the offices when he's on the field, but knowing that his daughter is in that environment now you've got to think that whatever's happened in the past that they will move forward from this, and they will be better for it, so it's a bad situation I mean. There's no other way to put it. It was Don't like reading this stuff you really. Don't you feel for the people that have gone through it? Yeah, and and unfortunately there's this discussion that's going on that people who don't have any tax or any sort of respect for others just. You. They blow through it like they don't. They don't have they. Don't put the words the right way like Darren reveal for example on twitter's sorry redskins fans. This isn't bad enough to get Daniel Snyder out as owner. You can't just say it like that right now. You can have a respectful conversation about this and still and I. Don't want it to be like sports. Talk poll calls I. Mean You can't do it like that. You can't be like. Is this bad enough to get Daniel Snyder out as as you can't do that? That's not the way you do it to respect the people that were involved. I think what you can say is is this is really bad. There were some really bad people in that organization, and they are now gone. Does the owner if we find out that he was not one of these people? How responsible is the owner? I mean I think that is the the fair question in this not this story isn't bad enough to remove because then all of a sudden. You're basically saying that the people that have alleged stop and And the people that have gone through these these bad things it doesn't. It doesn't mean anything. It's not big enough. It's not it's not horrific enough, and let's just forget about what they're saying. which is which is totally not fair, but you know the facts of this are the Dan Snyder wasn't named specifically as someone who was harassing an employee or a beat, writer or whomever, and that's the part of the conversation that people are going to WanNa. Know! Shoot. How responsible should he be and I don't know if we have enough information there, because when you are the owner and you live in that world as we talked about with mark, Cuban and I don't know how much Dan Snyder's around the office or not I don't have enough information there, but it seems to me that it is possible for someone who is at the very top to not know everything that's going on in an organization however. As I said before it's easy to believe that Dan Snyder could no some of that stuff was going on, and then not care enough that that is an easy conclusion to come to, but it's also a heavy allegation that I don't know I. Don't have enough information to to make an feel confident in making right well. We're sitting here in New York City and these things. Things happened in Washington DC. So you're right about the whole and the notion of minimizing. It is as exactly what you're referencing not great and I can tell you to. I, don't know about your twitter feed, but their responses or notifications I was getting from certain people on twitter were exactly that and you just sit there and shake your head like I mean come on guys. There's no need to even write some of the stuff that was written to me yesterday, but so be it. We got the answer that we were waiting for yesterday. and I think to now what comes next and I said this album. I. Is this just the tip of the iceberg? There's more coming in the next couple of weeks. Because if you're going to. Take the leap now forcing him out, you better find out what he knew what he didn't know, and that's not I. Don't think that's going to be easy I. Don't think that's an easy thing to do but you know this article certainly did. Blow the LID on. What's going on there? It's a has been bad culture by that account, and now we will see with new management. Put in. In place meaning Ron Rivera the head coach. What changes? What doesn't change? Yeah, you know one of the reasons why I am always trying to make a crack about Rick Pitino is I couldn't stand the way that he handled all those allegations at Louisville. Because guys who have that much success in college sports as head coaches are in full control of their program. They know everything that's going on. Right. Everybody that he gives a task to. He understands what's happening and for someone to run an on campus brothel with that. He had no idea about to me was just laughable like there's not one rogue employees whatever what come on stop I mean every college coach. Who had that much success it what they want to say? It's Jim Boeheim Roy Williams. Williams or Nick Sabin just go on Dabo Sweeney on and on these guys know what's happening, and that's why they have much success. I do think though the owner of an NFL team. Especially we're talking billionaires, guys who have seven hundred foot yachts and could be in a Beatha at any moment of the day on a private jet like guys like that. That sometimes, they're not around sometimes. When as you mentioned the best behavior when he's in the office, everybody's everybody's doing right to the computer and typing something on pretended to type something. Maybe that's going on so to me. It's it's a little bit different than a coach who was in charge of his assistant coaches and an owner who is the top of the top of an organization that's got hundreds of employees I was gonna say how many employees being an NFL team has first of all. You got to go through the you know between the practice players in the act of players you've got how many sixty five I mean just throwing a number out there. You've got guys coming in and out. Out every. Week, you've got coaching staffs that can be upwards of twenty twenty five different people as well and then you've got the stadium employees. You've got the team personnel the office personnel. It is unbelievable. How many what football team has become an so you're right to know what every single one of them is doing. Not really realistic doesn't mean the responsibility. Responsibility to fall on your shoulders does, but it's not like having you know where you're running a youth basketball team where you're in charge of eight kids in a couple of parents. It's a much different situation for sure. Yeah I'm not trying to in any way. Defend Dan Snyder. I'm just trying to be fair. I mean those those to me, are the? The facts and trying to I mean those who who can't stand neither are going to say. He needs to know about every bit of this, and he's gotTa be gone, and there's just no way that this guy can continue to be an NFL owner, and if there are any Dan, Snyder supporters out there to the other extreme and say well, he's the owner. He has no idea what's happening. He's totally aloof. He's got so many things on his plate and he. There's no way for him to know this stuff I mean I think that the truth lies in the middle? Probably I think that you have to take into account his reputation. I think you do need to do that. You don't just. Get a reputation like Dan. Snyder's by. Being a saint I mean stuff does happen. We've known about him in in the type of organization. He's run. So that has to come into account, but you also have to be fair about it in the sense of you when you're that level, and you're that rich, and everybody wants to impress you because they want a job in the NFL there's GonNa be some stuff that happens that you're not. Not going to know about and I. think that's really sort of a fair way to look at it and I know that the redskins hired some independent firm to do some investigation into the organization I. Mean That's like classic crisis management stuff right now. Does that really turn into anything I? Don't know a lot like we're doing a full internal review on our. Does it have really mean I? I'll tell you what it would. It will if the owner. Hundred percent of nothing to do with it and hires affirm as independently as they say they do, and he says listen I want everything. Now if he had something to do with this and knew what was going on, wink, wink, hire an independent firm to come in and kind of wash the stink away. That's different. I think we'll find out from what comes from the investigation I don't know that you can make that claim. Just you're just like you can make. You can't make the claim. We knew or didn't know just now. Up to up to this point, so we'll find out you know right now. This is this is the first report of this and usually where there's smoke, there's fire, so we will see how much more there is going forward. I don't know I. Mean at this point I'm feeling like. There's not going to be much more because the Washington Post. If they had much more, they would have put it in there. I think at this point I mean that was a very long article with lots of details, text messages and. So you're telling me that there's there's something more explosive in there that they didn't I mean. They were working on this thing for months apparently. I'm thinking they're probably isn't but who knows. The rumors are gonNA continue because there are people out there that so desperately wanted this to be worse than it was that there probably hanging onto that which is which is sick, but Yeah! That exists. There's a few of them out there. That absolutely seem fetched which is why we refrain from saying them, but again when the tweets were out the way, they were as far fetched. As they were who knew, and there is still one that's out there that I do wonder if there's any truth to, but hopefully not, and then we move on from here.

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Labyrinth 2, Disney World, Indiana Jones 5, Jurassic World Dominion, Snyder Cut, Suicide Squad and Ghostbusters

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Labyrinth 2, Disney World, Indiana Jones 5, Jurassic World Dominion, Snyder Cut, Suicide Squad and Ghostbusters

"However when welcome to Sasha Day for Wednesday may twenty seven th twenty twenty? Today's The latest film and TV news this slash on editor-in-chief Peterson joining me. His podcast is slash film weekend editor. Bread Omen me in rhetoric squadron. Blue Increasing Sta. Hello folks we're recording on a new setup today were recording on designing caster. Which I've never used so. Hopefully this works because usually record With US something called call recorder on skype and for some reason that wasn't working today. So we're we're trying this new setup. Let me know if this sounds better than usual If you can ask me an email Peter at Social Mechanism. Be here from you okay. So let's let's jump into this jump into the news last week we learned that there's a labyrinth sequel in the works each. Would we know yes doctor? Strange Director Scott. Dirksen is here to remind you of the Babe you back all right. Fine yes Scott. Derek has been tapped by Tristar pictures to direct the elaborate sequel which actually has been in the works in some form or another since at least twenty fourteen Back in twenty seventeen. Don't breathe director at a Alvarez set to helm the sequel but then that kind of fell apart or we didn't hear anything about it but now Scott Dixon is on board to direct this new direction. And he will be taking the helm with Maggie Levin. Who has written for? Who LOSE INTO THE DARK. My Valentine Writing the script so It's there are no details yet. On whether what the the sequel will contain like whether it will be a continuation of the first labyrinth with Jennifer. Connelly reprising her role. or. Nfl New actor will take on the role of David Bowie's Labyrinth Goblin King Because of his passing and it would also be a very big burden for any actor to step into those Very skin tight pants so We have no idea yet. What this will be with this. Some will entail but we do know that the Jim Henson Company is involved and that they are working with pictures to develop this labyrinth sequel. Yeah I wonder like how do you handle that because nobody can replace David Bowie? Like I feel like the best thing to do is have the Goblin. King died in this fantasy world in you know the world of labyrinth like what does what does that mean for the world labyrinth may be Jennifer Conway with the baby. That's now grown up. I guess is probably the new character. I Dunno I only thing I know is that I love labyrinth and I hope that they do it with practical puppets I know. Henson's involved by Hinton and they did practical puppets on that darker stole Netflix series. By that they also have spent a lot of money in our in D- in digital puppetry which is actually a very interesting thing. But it's not practical puppets so I I really hope that they are gonNA use practical puppets for this. I'd I guess what I'm a little bit. Skeptical is of is like Scott Dirksen. The right person for this. I do think he's a better choice than Feddie Alvarez I do like that. The doctor strange The movie he Parted ways with marvel and is not directing the second one but I feel like he even though his credits are mostly horror. doctor strange has such a surreal Visually stunning phantasm element to that could be brought into the labyrinth. Movie could translate well with a labyrinth sequel but I don't I don't know I haven't seen a lot of his other films actually so I can't exactly say But I do think I do want to speak about the practical puppetry. I I will say that the Jim Henson Company also was working with net flicks to develop the dark crystal age resistance series and they use a combination of practical puppetry as well as digital facts. But I remember they were very adamant on keeping the spirit of the original using practical puppets to maintain that the original vision of Jim. Henson so I feel like they will use particle to an extent If just because the puppets and Jim Henson's holes just like really bizarre. Fantasy vision was just what was so Synonymous with labyrinth. So I feel like a Bill. Lease use Practical fits in some way. There may be some Some new technology to make it smoother but I I think that they'll least maintained that you know I'm a huge fan of this. I I have to assume you know knowing the films that you wake you know your big huge Miyazaki fan you love kind of fairy tale ish stuff where you big fan of the regional labs. I was it was actually. I had a I remember. I got a VHS of labyrinth from my aunt who was a huge fan of this but she gave it to me. When I was really young I think it was like five or something and I started watching it. I was very scared so I didn't pick it up again until I was ten or twelve and I fell in love with it. It was also very much at the perfect time. 'cause David Bowie in the film is sexually charged. Androgynous initial being. And he's you know the sexual awakening for many people. So it's just kind of a perfect time for me to watch that movie and I Adore Adore Labyrinth that I adore just kind of the bizarre like the fantasy elements of it. And how How strange and fairytale it is all. You're talking I haven't seen labyrinth in a few years and I was thinking like it does have some mind bendy nist. You're like there's that whole part inside the castle where like gravity is working in. It's almost like an was the esher painting where like people are like walking up walls and stuff fat and Malaysians. Yeah so I guess I could see A. They would see something. Dirksen for this project with that with the with what he did with doctor. Strange so what the. I'm very curious about this I do I am glad that it is a sequel and not a remake because I think that would be a bad thing to do But yeah okay. Let's move on. Let's talk about Walt Disney world. Their plans to begin a phased reopening. Brad do we know yes so Walt Disneyworld is opening soon now that the restrictions on certain businesses being open and public gatherings are starting to lift a little bit Even though the coronavirus pandemic isn't over things are starting to get back to business as usual. I guess you can call it but it won't be open as People Remember Disneyworld. Because obviously they won't be operating at full capacity but the Orange County economic recovery taskforce did approve their intention to reopen starting with Disney World Magic Kingdom and animal kingdom June eleventh followed by Epcot and Hollywood studios on July Fifteenth. And the way that they'll open will be very similar to how Shanghai Disneyland Open which we talked about previously. They'll be a temperature checkpoint in order for people to get in a will have to wear a mask at all times unless they're eating. They'll be social distancing policies in place for lines for admission to the park attractions and food. They'll have a contactless payment system in place to avoid handling. Cash will be extra hand. Sanitizing stations and of course cast members will be enforcing all the social listening measures as well And some of the big things that will be missing Even when the park opens as there won't be any parades will many firework shows in order to avoid mass gatherings of people in in same spot and there won't be any up close and personal character Meet and greets that are usually are with the various characters and Cast members So yeah it's you know. I guess good for people who are eager back to theme parks. I personally think that maybe it's too soon but with the capacity low. Maybe IT'LL BE. Okay Yeah Well I've watched some blogs from Shanghai and it's very interesting because the capacity of the park has been capped. I think like thirty percent or twenty five percent or something like that and it's very wide open. There's not many people are looks like there's not many people in there at least in comparison to you know what it normally is in. It seems like Shanghai. I mean I guess maybe the people over there are easier to control than Americans. I don't know not gonNA make Statements felt like you know Americans versus Chinese or anything like that but I I am curious if you know there will be problems when they opened stateside i. I do know that we've seen people you know. There's that video that went viral of that guy in Costco. That refused to wear his mask. But I at one point I. I seem to think that like if you're spending two hundred dollars to go to Disney theme park and you're GonNa Invest that money in a cast. Member comes those overdue and says if you don't put your mask on your kicked out like that money. Investment is pretty big. So I feel like everybody's GonNa probably be on their best behavior and befalling the rules. But maybe that's the optimist in me but your optimism Peter about new American behavior on that. I'm not optimistic about American behavior. Optimists that you know with that much money invested that they won't like throw a fit and try to like like it. Cost only in America has proven. Its that people have money to spare on things like this usually are pretty nice. I don't know it's going to be interesting. A Disneyland I think is putting in there Plans today with Orange County in California. So it'll be interesting how that goes because I live close to Disneyland. I run a flog channel. That's about theme parks and it will tell you right here that if they open and allow a pass holders to go there. I will be there an opening day to to cover it safely by that. I mean I will be social distancing. I'll be wearing a mask. I'll be washing my hands. I will not be writing any roller coaster rides where droplets from people's mouths in front of me would would potentially get in my face or is You Know I. I think there's a smart way to handle this and I if you if you look at Japan I think for instance like they have been able to not only fighting the curve. Belykh really like kill like this thing and they've done it without completely shutting down like they've had their subways open. They've had like it's. It's really a matter of you. Know them enforcing the social distancing and masks and all that with I think that's mattered so I think if people follow the rules which I think is like you know I know you guys are laughing at me if people follow the rules. But I don't know guys don't screw it up for everybody. Just follow the rules. It will all be okay. Maybe boss way we'll see But he was okay. Let's talk about some Spielberg sequels. Let's start off with Indiana Jones. Five we know the new director James Mangold and he has recently teased. What might be in store for the fifth film? Chris what do we now? Yes so he has a very lengthy quote about this. I would encourage everyone to read it on social but it boils down to. He says quote. I think the most important thing is in an age when franchises have become a commodity that serving the same thing again isn't ideal so it's a it's a long way of saying he's going to try and do something completely new. And that's you know that's that's great in theory but he you know he makes it sound like that's what audiences one and while. I commend that I. I don't know if it's true because I in in the story when I wrote this. The best example I used is is the latest star wars trilogy. The Force Awakens. I love that movie but I feel like everyone can agree. That's very much a rehash of a new hope whereas when the last year I came out and dared to do something different it inspired so much weird backlash so while I commend. James Gould's comment that audiences want something new. I I don't know if that's one hundred percent true but I can. I can be hopeful and at the same time. I still remain really unsure about this whole thing just because I like James Mangold. I like most of his movies. But it's so hard to picture in India jazz without Steven Spielberg behind. The camera. Just seems like it just seems wrong to me but I don't know I I will say this Chris. I I kinda disagree. That people don't want something new. I think people just don't want something new in the context of like the eighth installment of a nine chapter. You know saga or something like that like and I think that would apply here too. So if you're going to have Harrison Ford returning as Indiana Jones and it's not a reboot. I'm guessing people won't want something new but What do you think he means by something? Like what could this possibly be? I don't know because Yeah James has such a tried and true formula. You Know Indiana Jones. He goes to a foreign country. Looking for some sort of archaeologicial he gets mixed up in endanger. I mean only thing I can think of. Is I love Indiana Jones and the last crusade but there are arguments against it. Being a rehash of raiders. Because you know it's him dealing with a religious artifact again it's him dealing with Nazis again but that worked so well so I don't know what you want to complain about so I honestly don't know I mean you can also say that Kingdom of the crystal skull is very different and people do not like that movie so again. I don't I can't think of like how different he wants to make. This other than the era is going to be different. Because it's going to have to be it's going to be in the sixties. I guess which might be interesting Jones in the sixties. When is the last one take place because character was a greater? So that was like fifties and that was the fifties so this would be the six even like the seventy which would be very weird. Indiana Jones in the seventies. I don't know yeah. You don't have a Hitler to fall back in there. Maybe like the Vietnam War. I WanNa what you would play with their. But talking about another franchise I think has taken a direction of doing something. New and fans and critics. Both I think are not really happy with the words heading. That is the drastic world Film series the third film. Drastic world domination. We thought was going to be the end of the trilogy. But it apparently isn't it's going to start a whole new franchise about yeah so it's actually fall. Drastic World Dominion or they say domination. You're at the Michael Bay version of Dressy but but anyway addressing World Dominion is coming Slated for next year if it stays on track for June Eleven Twenty Twenty One and when Colin trevorrow and Derek Connolly started drastic world. They already had this trilogy. Arc Plan for three movies Before they even were asked to do a second or third movie so they've had the story works for a while and since this was considered to be the end of this new trilogy and they're bringing back original cast members like Sam Neill during Jeff Goldblum. It was thought that maybe this would be the end of the Jurat. Not just the world franchise but the drastic park franchise as a whole but producer. Frank Marshall says that that's not the case. In fact he calls drag World Dominion quote the start of a new era and so he says in a brief interview with collider where they talked about the dress world franchise for a bit while he was asked whether this was the end and the try outlet said that he gave in a few sieve. Denial of such and said the dinosaurs are now on the mainland among us and they will be for quite some time. I hope so. Whatever happens in dress. World Dominion Wrap things up to a point where this would be the end of the series and it would stand to reason that even though truro connolly saw this as the end of their trilogy. They also brought an Emily Carmichael to write on the script. So maybe she brought something new to help. Open up The movie a little bit to allow for future. Maybe it's just kind of an open door policy kind of thing where this complete story arc but also allows for new stories in the future So yeah it's it's hard to tell this point you know. He's still got a little while. Before we see what happens in dominion and we don't really have much of an idea of what's going on except for the fact that there's now dinosaurs out in the wild so it whatever happened in that movie will depend on how we see. The future of the drastic franchise. I'll tell you how I read this. I think that this third film is like you say it's going to be dealing with the dinosaurs out in the wild and US as humans trying to exploit them in ways and I think by the end of this now hearing what Frank Marshall had to say. I think by the end of this movie. We're going to get to like appointed the apes scenario where the next movie in the series is going to be like you know humanity has lost the world to dinosaurs and we are trying to survive. We're now living in their drastic world. Dinosaurs are starting to use tools and weapons and we have to fight them in a big war but that would actually be like Mad Max but with dinosaurs. That'd be like the coolest movie ever made. I'm all in on this idea. Let's let's make it happen any of you ever see the Steven Spielberg produced. Tv Show Terranova. Yes so of that. That's the one where like over `electricity goes out throughout the world right. No that's revolution. I'm sorry I didn't see that one then j.j Abrams This one involved there was a upcoming extinction event on earth coming up and we have discovered time travel so we sent people back to the Jurassic Times or sometime of dinosaurs to a place that was safe of dinosaurs to basically create a new humanity years before humanity came about on earth so basically to for humanity survive. They had to make a new home in the past. Which is a genus concept? The executions really bad. But I'm wondering if we're headed in that direction in some way I don't know a okay. Let's talk about the Snyder Kat. We talked about this last week how. Hbo Max Has Green Went. The Snyder cut they're going to release Zack Snyder's version of Justice League. In this week we learned a little bit more including the fact that the Snyder cut actually doesn't exist Chris by it so yes. Hbo Max head. In Warner Brothers. Warner media. Chairman Bob. Green Blad gave an interview about The Snyder cut and first things first. He did admit that it does not exist so we can take that off the table but it's being assembled right now and while it's been reported that it would cost thirty million to to put this altogether. He's hinting at something much much more expensive. He he said quote. I wish it was thirty million. It's an it's an enormous undertaking and very complex so this obviously will lead to speculation is going to actually do full-fledged re-shoots with the cast. I maintained that that's not going to happen but I guess we'll see but it's gonNa cost a lot of money for Zach Snyder to put whatever this is going to be together Obviously he has some sort of rough cut. He's working with but he's going to need to add a special effects and color correcting and all this stuff and it was reported that while the actors might not shoot new scenes. They would probably come in to do voice over work. Eighty our work so I'm sure they're gonNA have to pay them to do that. Obviously the actors don't work for free so it's GonNa it's GonNa pile up eventually and be very costly shaking yet. He's making it sound like a considerably more than thirty million. So what does that? Forty million fifty million sixteen million. Like I guess you're right. Visual effects cost a lot of money. I it's hard to imagine. The Ben Affleck would return and put on the Batman Costume again to finish this version of Justice League with. I don't know maybe we'll see The interesting thing here is it. Seems like the version he's going to be creating is going to be different than the version. He would have released if he had the chance to release. The Snyder got originally. And that kind of gels with what I know of this film and how it kind of was kind of ended in a way that set up a second film and also a sequel to Batman or Superman So I don't know I'm guessing they're gonNA have to rework the ending a little bit in some way but we'll see it'll be interesting. I know that they you know we've already heard previously bread. I think you were right about this right. That like that. It they work at a new recruits. Yeah so At least that's the word on the street. Shortly after the Justice League. Snyder cut was announced because Umberto Gonzales is the founder of Hollywood. He actually got an early scoop on this before it started. Becoming official word started leaking that this was officially happening. That Snyder wants to do re-shoots an additional photography but HBO. Max Has Said No. They'll give them money for post production visual effects scoring and like Chris at doing eighty are with the cast but they apparently won't be doing any re-shoots for this movie. I suppose is a chance that maybe Zach Snyder. To have convinced them or they're still working on that part of the deal but I wouldn't anticipate them shooting a any new scenes with the cast. Now that this has happened. This opens the door for possible. Other directors cuts filmmakers have been thrown off their films to come back in release a director's cut of their film. I mean I guess that's happened in the past with Richard Donner and Superman too. But it's not something that happens too often and I know a couple filmmakers online. Have kind of you know. Put their tip their hat and said that they are interested each. Tell us about it. Yes David Air who directed the two thousand sixteen suicide squad Is the first person to tip his hat so to speak. He put out a tweet in response to People asking whether there exists as air cut of suicide squad and said might cut would be easy easy to complete. It would be incredibly Cathartic to me. it's exhausting. Getting your ass kicked for film that got the Edward Scissorhands treatment so he is willing and eager to do a cut of the suicide squad already in response to his feet People who were formerly a supporting the Snyder cut are now making trend the haircut Hashtag Salem. He's as we have heard from over the years. Suicide Squad was subject to many re-shoots That costs as much as twenty two million and had a dramatic change in tone We heard that airs. Original vision was a little bit more on the serious side and The film that we got was trying to go for a more comedic direction Didn't necessarily work. But if David Air is Excited to hopefully get his version out. There may be some day. Now that This precedent has been set so We'll hopefully for him. Maybe not for the rest of us but he. He's the one who's his excited to get on that train whereas Josh trank who directed the twenty fifteen fantastic four bit less eager about that. He responded to a question from a fan asking if rather saying that we're coming for four and he said no need he has put to bed the neom the idea of doing a. Redo or doing trink cut a fantastic for I think. He's he's Set himself apart enough from this The film which went through lengthy behind the scenes struggles of Twentieth Century Fox. And so we probably won't be seeing a shrink cut a fantastic four but we will be seeing. Maybe a suicide squad cut whether we want to or not I wonder why tranquil just feel like there's no need like maybe he realizes that even the best case scenario of a kind of fantastic for is still a bad case scenario. I'm guessing another filmmaker were you're saying. L. L. I was Gonna say I remember that. He was excited for her divisional vision by think that he's just gone through so much with this that he doesn't want to rehash it. Yeah yeah another directors that put their hat into the mix is Paul thebig with ghostbusters. Answer the call. Crestwood we now. Yes this is originally based on a tweet and I honestly don't even understand the tweet with someone said. Can we get the Paul feed cut of Justice League instead which I why? Why would you even makes absolute sense but anyway puffy responded to that and said there's a three and a half hour cut of ghostbusters answered the call. I'd be happy to share. And that's of course. Is His ghostbusters. Reboot. And that doesn't mean it's actually going to happen but it just proves that there was a longer cut. He actually said there is an editor's cut. That was over four hours long and then he trimmed it down to three and a half hours and then it got down even further to the under two hours theatrical cut on it's all it's worth noting that the BLU ray release of ghostbusters has an extended cut. That's a little bit over two hours. That adds in some more backstory on characters but this is obviously just feet figues just having having some fun on twitter dot com. I don't think we're actually going to get a a three. Plus our ghostbusters cut. Yeah I don't think so either. You know I have to go to Brad resident ghostbusters. Superfan bread you even be interested in a three hour. Long cut of ghostbusters answered the call. I mean I'd be interested in in in like just out of curiosity saved just to see how much footage there is an all the stuff that they shot For I don't think that it would be good to see three hour. Cut of that You know I'm somebody who doesn't hate ghostbusters. Answer the call but thinks it has some problems And like certain aspects of it but I mean a three hour of any comedy is trouble. I mean some good appetite movies overstay their welcome a little bit at two hours or a little more and it's just hard to make a comedy you sustain itself for that long agreed. I think as well said okay. Celebrities today slash on daily can find all our work at slash on the com- including the stories that are linked in the show notes. This podcast can be found in. I tunes Google overcast. Spotify all the popular podcast APPS. Please feel free to singer feedback questions. Comments concerns to us at Peter at Social mecom and reading your this podcast tunes tell your friends spread the word and we will see you on Friday.

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S2E13: The Widow

Case Closed

33:41 min | 1 year ago

S2E13: The Widow

"Before we begin today's show, we have a trailer from another great podcast. There. This is Erica Kelley host of the podcast southern fried true crime each week. I'll take a look at a different southern crime. Unlike any good. Gossip I'm interested in anyone or anything a cover contemporary and historical cases in a love listener suggestions, come. Join me as I explore the dark underbelly of the deep south. I'm a one woman show in a narrative format kind of like sitting by the fire and listening to a story support shares scribe. If you're interested, I'd love to have you until, then y'all take care. Welcome back to case closed. I'm Charlie Spicer, your true crime guide in our last episode Hemi trial ended with a guilty verdict. He'll live out the rest of his days behind bars, but this case isn't over I've pointed out time and again, these moments where blamed shifts to Andrea where she inadvertently becomes a target all that comes back in the final stretches of this story. She's been a target in this case for a while. But now that Hemi has been sentenced. Andrea is front and center, we're going to start with Hemi. Sentencing hearing Andrea. You'll remember wasn't in the courtroom. She was ojected for improper conduct with witnesses. Her lawyer gave a statement to the press, but that wasn't the only statement given post sentencing. Andrea is grateful, and relieved by the jury's guilty verdict and sentence. Nothing can bring back her husband, but it is reassuring to her, that, after all of the noise and distraction surrounding this case, some measure of Justice has been done for rusty. It read in part, others had plenty more to say. The entire truth has not been presented him as attorney. Doug Peters told reporters Hemi Newman was as good of a man who ever walked this earth until he met. Andrea neiderman. Andrea Snyder men should be charged with murder in the first degree. I think she preyed upon him and used him to commit the crime, even rusty's brother took shots at Andrea. We know she lied about her involvement with Newman. Stevens Neiderman said we will have no peace until everyone involved in rusty's death is brought to Justice. It is clear to us that Andrea is covered in rusty's blood, and there aren't enough rabbis in the world to wash that blood away. Hemi trial ended on March fifteenth two thousand twelve but another one is imminent, and it will start in them unlikely place in the years since rusty's murder, two people have been growing more and more frustrated with Andrea, Donald and Maryland. Snyder men rusty's parents. They want to see their grandchildren. Aeon Sophia, but they claim Andrea has been sequestering them. Right after Hemmings conviction Donald and Maryland, made their frustrations public. They sue Andrea for visitation. They alleged that Andrea has refused to let them regularly see their grandchildren. They also bring up the possibility of taking full custody. Andrea responsive claims that both Donald and Maryland, have seen their grandchildren in person, and via Skype Andrea's lawyer says it, she is willing to schedule more visits. The statement is brief Andrea feels it's better for the children, not to discuss this matter publicly rusty's relatives. Truly feel Andris had something to do with the murder, and that she is now covering up. That fact they blaster in the media, adding a publicity campaign onto the legal pressure. Andrea responds sharply. In a blistering response to her inlaws visitation petition. Andrea lawyers accused Donald and Maryland. Snyder men of litigation strategy to see the kids and questioned. The couple's true feelings about their grandchildren blasting rusty's parents for their statements to the press. Andrea paper, said clearly that was not in the best interests of the children for their grandparents and okel to publicly, make such terrible. Accusations about their mother. Two weeks later in early may twenty twelve the public squabbling over the children ended when the two sides reached an agreement the deal offered only a momentary respite about two weeks. Later rusty's brother filed a wrongful death lawsuit against her, pinning the blame for rusty's murder on Andrea, the lawsuit alleged that Andrea, utilized her illicit relationship with him e to manipulate an influence him to attempt to murder rusty Snyder men. Andrea knew that Hemi intended to kill her husband, the lawsuit alleged, and actively and knowingly participated in the murder, and the planning of the murder. Andrea didn't let this go unchallenged in her biggest move, yet she recruited a heavy hitting legal team led by j Tom Morgan a former DeKalb county district attorney and a lineup of some of Atlanta's best known criminal defense lawyers, we categorically deny each and every one of the allegations in the complaint filed today, her new legal team. Said in a statement, we are looking forward to a vigorous and complete defense to ensure that Andrea is fully exonerated of these false accusations. As the civil litigation ground on the DeKalb county district attorney's office, had finally resolved the question of, whether it had enough evidence against Andrea at ten thirty AM on Thursday. August. Second on muggy Georgia morning, armed DA investigators and deputies from Putnam county converged on Andrea parents house, on blue Heron drive with her children in the house. Andrea was arrested handcuffed and hauled off in a police Carta jail. She did not resist a grand jury had handed down a nineteen count indictment. The charges included malice murder criminal attempt to commit murder insurance fraud perjury, and making false statements to thirties by noon. She arrived at the DeKalb county jail. Andry was arrested and her own home, while her children watched a swat team was deployed to do, so even though her lawyer Tom Morgan had promised he would turn her into thorns, if she was indicted, Morgan said Andrea was in a state of shock after the arrest that was the point clearly this was a power move revenge for all of the times. Andrea didn't speak to police didn't cooperate didn't act, the part on stand, but for all the counts in the indictment and despite the big show of force in her arrest. The actual evidence against Andrew was scares. Sure, there was evidence, but most of it was the same evidence used against Hemi. The proof that Andrea somehow assisted was just not there. There was no evidence in all the emails and texts that Andrea wanted rusty dead or that she knew Hemi was going to commit murder, the only person who could testify that she knew was, Hemi. But the indictment didn't suggest that he was going to talk. And if he did talk, surely, his insanity would make him an unreliable witness. So let's pick up an August twenty first two thousand twelve Andrea's nineteen th day in jail. She appears for her bond hearing. After nineteen days in jail. Andrea Schneiderman appeared before judge Adams for a bond hearing on August. Twenty first twenty twelve her attorneys called a series of witnesses to show that Andrea had strong ties to the community and family and would not jump bond after hearing arguments, judge Adams agreed to spring. Andrea on a five hundred thousand dollar bond with a number of restrictions the strictest of which was that she had to remain under house arrest with her parents, she had to wear an electric ankle bracelet, that would alert authorities if she went outside the boundaries of her parents home in Roswell, the only time she could leave was to see the doctor or her attorneys. She could visit her parents, brother sister-in-law, children and rabbi but could have no contact with any potential witnesses. This restriction on seeing any witnesses is reminiscent of Andrea being removed from the courtroom during the trial. Two days later on Thursday. August. Twenty third her attorneys delivered a two hundred fifty thousand dollar cashier's check to the court, another condition was that half the bail had to be put up in cash. She raised the money, even though as part of her arrest, the prosecution had frozen, many of her assets, including the two million dollar life insurance, payout after rusty's murder in the end Andrea, did not run away and did not try to intimidate any witnesses. She stayed and fought against the prosecution's murder case against rusty's brother who continued to press, his wrongful death lawsuit. She made court appearances and never wavered from declaring her innocence, though, always expressing herself publicly through her attorneys. Andrea has never granted immediate interviewed to this day. She would fight for more freedom soon her bail conditions. Would be loosened to allow her to attend Jewish services, including Yom Kippur in September sokaia services in October and the lighting of the first candle for Hanukkah, in December all the while questions mounted about whether prosecutors had overreached in October. Prosecutors formerly turned over their evidence to the defense at first look it appeared intimidating nine thousand two hundred thirty three pages ninety one CDs of interviews and a number of other video and audio recordings but a closer examination showed that it was almost the exact same evidence. Prosecutors had used a year earlier against Hemi. There were the same witnesses the same emails, the same phone records the prosecution arguably could build a case that Andrea had an affair with a man who later killed her husband. But nowhere did it appear. They had any direct evidence that she'd ordered rusty killed or even wanted him. Dead, nor was there anything between them suggesting they talk. About the murder afterward. The prosecution case appeared to hinge on Andrea behavior after the murder her alleged lies about an affair her apparent knowledge of the means of her husband's murder before it was officially revealed and her demeanor on the witness stand at him. He's trial it could be argued she possessed a consciousness of guilt, but it was all circumstantial rickety case that Andrea top-flight defense team savored attacking, I've mentioned this before. But Enron's behavior in the moments after the murder strongly, resembled the symptoms of shock and her behavior during the trial could be interpreted as the result of guilty, conscience. But it could also be interpreted as the reactions of a woman who has lost her husband and his being implicated in his murder. There's a viciousness toward Andrea, that members of the police, the press, even rusty's family keep resorting to in November of two thousand twelve that viciousness comes to a head with the man. Named Joseph Dell. In November twenty twelve. The case took a strange twist when Steven Snyder men's attorneys suggested as part of the wrongful death lawsuit that Andrea had begun a relationship with a man named Joseph Dell. Dell was among the many who had come to Andrea's aid since Hemi trial, voicing their solidarity on a blog called friends of Andrea, a forum to both support her and rip into the DA's office. According to jail house phone logs Andrea had called her parents, fifty five times and Dell fifty eight times recorded by the jail, one of the calls had Andrea asking Dell to move in with her. Parents whom del called mom and dad. On the day of Andrea's indictment del called her and is heard crying and professing his love for defendants Neiderman, according to the court papers this bold romantic gesture is met by defendant, who is apparently aware of the recording with a response, eerily similar to her handling of Newman. I do not know what to say. The filing says the questions soon arose over how long the alleged relationship had gone. Andrea lawyers in the wrongful death case strongly denied that anything involving Dell had a role in rusty's murder. Andrea civil lawyer Mark Trig denounce to that suggestion as preposterous and contended that Steven Snyder, men's attorney, lodged it to both harass Andrea and to try to get Hemi to turn on Andrea. The issue immediately spilled into the criminal case it arose at a hearing that had been intended to focus on a completely different issue. Andrea had sought permission to leave house arrest. Est- to visit rusty's, grave on November eighteenth twenty twelve the second aniversary of his murder for yard site the Jewish observance of the death of somebody close at the last minute. She withdrew the request fearing an invasion of reporters and TV crews. Instead, the hearing turned to the revelations from the civil case with prosecutors suggesting that it was another potential motive for murder. Now prosecutors expanded their case from an alleged love triangle to something more complicated and sinister evidence is starting to come up that might show that it was not for Mr Newman to be with the defendant. But for someone else prosecutor Don Geary told judge Adams at a subsequent hearing in the criminal trial. Mr Dell might be that someone else at the very least the prosecution said Dell was a potential witness at trial and under the terms of Andrea's bond. She was not to have any contact with any witnesses while under house arrest Gerry sought to have all contact between. Andrea and Dell cease immediately. This is viciousness. I wanted to point out by all accounts, Joseph del came into Andrea life after rusty after Hemi after the murder and the prosecution doesn't have evidence to prove that he was involved at all. But by claiming he might have been around before the murder, and that they might have to call him as a witness means Andrea can't have contact with him. The prosecution has to know this, and it's another way they punish her for attitude during the trial. It was a hard ball tactic taking on Andrea, not just legally. But personally, if granted it would leave Andrea more saluted to suggest rusty died because of this relationship was incredible on its face said, one of her criminal lawyers. Thomas Clegg, and has absolutely no bearing on any issue in this particular case, Clegg, however, tiptoed around whether Andrea and Dell had a romance saying the exact status of their relationship is best described as to be determined. Clegg portrayed del as something of domestic helper to add Dell to the witness list, and therefore, remove him from Andrea life would cost her somebody to help pick up her children and care for them while she remained under house arrest. Although del had apparently been in court with Andrea few took notice of him and little was known about him until the court filing on the friends of Andrea website del described his relationship with Andrea. I hardly knew Andrea before her husband was murdered. But I have gotten to know her and her family as an extension of my own Dell wrote on September twenty eighth about a week and a half after the hearing on November twenty six twenty twelve judge Adams issued a written ruling the court hereby denies defendant's motion and further orders that the defendant have no contact with the witness Joseph del within days. The defense fought back asking the judge again to remove Dell from the witness list. Arguing that there was no evidence, Andrea and Dell had a relationship before rusty's murder, the defense called the matter irrelevant and asked the judge to bar the state from bringing it up in court before a jury the request came in a sweeping. Motion filed in early December twenty twelve to throw out all the charges against Andrea describing the indictment as ambiguous and confusing. The defense said it fails to spell out what act Schneiderman committed to warrant murder charge this represented Andrea biggest counter-offensive since police, I began to wonder whether she had anything to do with rusty's murder. It was accompanied by an aggressive, publicity move, although, she again, stayed away from reporters Andreas camp marched out a series of surrogates. While Andrea had remained close to some of her friends from before the murder, Tammy Parker among them, she had been joined by a growing circle of supporters drawn to her during, and after the trial connected, via the friends of Andrea website, among them were a couple named Ryan and Elizabeth stands berry, who were at the forefront of Andrea PR campaign that included interviews on forty eight hours. And in the local media, I think. Anybody who knows her? For more than five minutes realizes that she didn't do this. Ryan Stanbury told WSB TV the second week of December twenty twelve it's been very difficult for her for both. She and her family. His wife added, I think it's been a travesty that people are starting to show empathy to the villain. The murderer the one that orchestrated this all on his own, and that's Hemi Newman, the case, forced people to take sides between Andrea and rusty's family. Andras defense team sent multiple people into the press to talk on her behalf. But there were other things happening in the background in February of two thousand thirteen Andrea's lawyer once again, push to have Joseph del removed from the witness list. DA Robert James, the same DA who led him. He's trial admitted to not contacting del this is the first sign that the prosecution's case might not be shaping up the way they had hoped is there isn't there, a case against Andrea listen for judge Adams decision regarding Joseph Dell. Not only did the judge rule that Andrea would be allowed to converse, again with Joseph dill, but buzz began building that the prosecution's case was crumbling twice after Andrea was originally charged the prosecution had to go back to the grand jury for new indictments tweaking the lineup of counts the essence of the case remained the same that Andrea allegedly had something to do with rusty's murder, and then lied to thirties. But the tinkering with the charges sent a message of a lack of certainty on the prosecution's part as the trial grew near the situation grew worse for the state, the evidence James wanted simply never arrived. And in late July the word had gotten out local media outlets reported that the DA was planning to drop the most serious charge against Andrea that of murder with a gag order imposed neither side could confirm or deny the reports this set the stage for a critical pretrial hearing where the prosecution would have to disclose its. Intentions. The pretrial hearing is indeed critical. There would be two motions discussed. We've already heard rumors of one, the first motion dealt with Melanie white, the defense thought she would be too prejudicial, and therefore should be barred from testifying the second motion involved, the indictments against Andrea. When judge Adams reached this point in the pre-trial the defense asked for a session of the sidebar lawyers from both sides got together. An animatedly talked under the sound of static in the courtroom. Andrea set still waiting patiently after the break we hear the outcome of that discussion. Today's episode is supported by care of a subscription service that delivers vitamins, and supplements, customized for your specific health, needs just take their fun online quiz, and answer some questions about your diet, health goals, and lifestyle in just five minutes care of will put together a personalized plan with your scientifically backed vitamin and supplement recommendations each month. You'll receive your box of individually wrapped daily it's made from Compostable plant based film, so your vitamins are kept fresh and they're better for the environment. 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We the state went back and reinterviewed most, if not all of our witnesses in this case, he said, I have an ethical obligation not to seek convictions, but to seek Justice and I believe it would be unjust and unethical for the DA's office for the state for the district attorney of this county to go forward with charge that I am not one hundred percent. Sure. Someone is guilty of therefore, the DA was dropping the murder charge against Andrea defense. Attorney Thomas Clegg couldn't disagree, but took a swipe anyway. There is no smoking gun in their leading anyone to conclude. Wow. Looking at this, all of a sudden, I can say they don't have a murder case said, Clegg, I believe they have known all along. They did not have a merger case be that as it may I welcome at this time. Mr James is admission that he does not have the degree of certainty. Necessary to go forward with the prosecution for these counts. So I have no objection to the dismissal of counts. One two and three. The judge would seem taken aback by the last minute move, and would call a recess without ruling afterward. A clearly rattled Robert James returns to the lectern your honor. I'll make this very brief. He said, what I was going to say, I won't say, but what I will say is have been prosecuting cases for fourteen years, I have never as an assistant DA as solicitor. And now as the elected district attorney, I have never indicted, a case, where based on the evidence I had in front of me. I did not believe that an individual was guilty of the charges that I was indicting them for. That is why I'm before the court, he continued that is why I made this motion, I am standing before the court asking for the court to dismiss right before the trial. By the end of the day. Despite his reservations, judge Adams granted the prosecution's request the Andrea Snyder murder trial suddenly became the Andrea, Snyder Mun perjury trial. A twist to the twist DA robber James's admission that the evidence was shoddy is also an admission than evidence Andrea was involved in the murder was just not there. It's unclear why the prosecution waited until three days before the trial to make this announcement today. Expect more evidence to appear did pressure against Andrea in the press. Make them worry to admit this crucial change. We don't know and will never know the answers to these questions. So let's jump ahead. Three days, it's August fifth two thousand thirteen the first day of Andrea trial. Opening statements began on steamy southern morning, the cicadas buzzing in the trees outside the DeKalb county courthouse. The trial had the feel of an afterthought. The national media left the story to the locals DA Robert James handed off opening statements to a newly promoted deputy Kelly hill. Though he said in court throughout the trial. The jury that had been selected would not be tasked with deciding whether Andreas Neiderman should be held accountable for the cold blooded murder of her husband, but for not telling the whole truth to police and at Hammy trial, she still faced decades in prison on the counts which carried five-year penalties. But the defense was emboldened. Andrea was so confident that she turned down a last minute plea deal reportedly one year in prison. It was up to DeKalb. Assistant district attorney hill to remind everybody that there was still unfinished business. Over the next six days. The prosecution laid out a meticulous case alternating clips of Andreas courtroom. Testimony and police interviews with live witnesses each targeted statement came with rebuke on the witness stand showing Andreas trial statements out of order, and in soundbite form stripped them of their emotional punch jurors at Andreas trial didn't experience the same surprise and shock of her slow build to anger and sarcasm, but the lies piled up all the same the state argued as it sought to prove the thirteen counts against Andrea prosecutors offered what it called evidence. She hindered the apprehension of a criminal by deleting. Text messages and concealing her relationship with Hemi. They argued that she covered up her knowledge, her boss had killed rusty using as evidence among other things. Their phone calls around the time of the murder. She concealed material facts, the state argued by. Lying to police about a romance with Hemi. Introducing their travel records emails and testimony from the pulse bartender, and others and prosecutors presented evidence. She perjured herself at him. He's trial by allegedly lying again about many of those same things on the witness stand. Testimony ended August. Fifteenth, with Andrea telling the judge that she would not take the stand in her own defense clearing, the way for summations after spending much of the trial, as a second share lawyer, handling the occasional witness DA, Robert James last seen explaining himself was back in form your a liar. He said directly Andrea during closing arguments as she looked away. She's a manipulator. She's a deceiver. He told the jury Clegg wrapped up the defense, case with the same stance says opening statements conceding nothing Andrea. He said was a victim who had done absolutely nothing wrong. The jury retired that Friday to begin deliberations returning after a weekend break. And by lunchtime Monday, had a verdict judge Adams, brought the jury into the courtroom sitting between Morgan and Clegg at the defense table. Andrea cast her is down shooting nervous glances in the four woman's direction. We the jury find the defendant. Andrea Snyder men count one hindering the apprehension of a criminal, she began guilty Andreas head dropped and she stared at the table on it went guilty on a total of nine counts. Not guilty on four. Guilty on nine counts. Let's move to the next day with sentencing Andrea, walked into the courtroom not as but a criminal. She wore an orange prison jumpsuit on the back DeKalb county jail with stenciled in black. Judge Adams burst into the courtroom and slammed the door behind him, family and friends filled the room rusty's brother and sister in law were there as were her. Parents Andrea parents, and number of friends said on the other side of the courtroom after reviewing papers in front of him. The judge said, MRs Snyder Mun, would you stand, please with your lawyers, she and three lawyers stood? Mrs Snyder Mun a jury has returned verdicts. And as a result of the jury verdicts, I have a responsibility to impose a sentence, he paused as to count one. He said, I will sentence you to five years as to count to five years as to count three five years as to count six, five years as to count, eight five years, it kept going, five years for each guilty count. But at the end, he said, I will give you credit for the time you have been in custody, and also the time you have served under house arrest. He also did not run the terms back to back, this will be five years to serve on each count. I will render them concurrently. I'm not going to run them consecutively. I'm going to run them concurrently. He looked at Andrea, any questions, ma'am. Andrea standing stone faced had none at this point in time. I will have you taken into custody, she was handcuffed behind her back and let out of the courtroom. Andrea time in jail won't be long, but still she is going to jail. Hemi and Andrea, both convicted. One, a cold blooded killer the other something a bit more obscure both lives of ended by desire. Next episode. We'll wrap up loose ends visit Andrea and jail. We finished the story. Stick around for the final installment of case closed. Case closed production of ignoring podcasts, this season is based on the book crazy for you by Michael fleekerman. Get the book or audiobook using the link in our show notes. The show is produced by decades Ellis. Tina with help from Sarah grill and Elissa Martino, we also wanna thank Michael fleekerman can't wait to hear what really happened to rusty. Snyder men here, all of this season right now on Stitcher premium go to Stitcher, premium dot com slash case closed and use code closed to start your free trial. I'm Charlie Spicer. Thanks so much for listening. We're nearing the end of this season of case closed. But that doesn't have to be the end of the story. You can learn even more juicy details about the case of rusty Snyder murder from the book this season is based on crazy for you. Michael fleekerman. It's full of familiar details from the podcast, plus extra parts of the story we didn't include here. Crazy for you by Michael fleekerman is available in paperback and digital audio and you can buy it wherever books are sold.

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Dec 3, 2019

Sword and Scale Daily

14:20 min | 11 months ago

Dec 3, 2019

"Hello and welcome to sword and scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Tuesday December third. And this is your daily true crime report coming up on sort and scale daily. The Minneapolis father shot his two young sons in the front yard of their home before killing his ex wife and himself shooting in New Orleans. French quarter left ten people wounded and two of them in critical condition and a Texas border patrol has been charged with murdering his wife. On the night of Thanksgiving Missouri. Man Walked into a police station covered covered in blood and spontaneously proclaimed himself responsible for two murders finally a Pennsylvania woman who claimed to have discovered her children hanging me in the basement has been charged with their murders. All this and more coming up on sort and scaled daily Minneapolis man killed his two young young sons on Sunday December first before going inside of the family home where he fatally shot his ex wife and then himself because as law enforcement were not sure whether there were other people. Inside of the House the incident was treated as a potential hostage. Situation leading to police and SWAT teams evacuating local residents enclosing a to block perimeter around the home. When police finally entered the house they found the bodies of a man and woman woman? The woman has since been identified as the man's ex wife. Kirsten Shila Detsky the Star Tribune reports that the couple's divorce I was finalized this past summer. Police officers responded to Shula debts. He's home around ten. AM after receiving multiple nine. One one calls about a shooting neighbor. Eric Wiltz chick who knew Sheila Detsky. And her boys told W. C. C. O.. Minnesota that he was walking back from the Astore when he witnessed the dad's car pulling over near the boys who were playing in the snow. We Front Yard. He then witnessed the shooting. He said quote. I actually thought it was a game at I like the dad was Kinda faked shooting them but then all of a sudden a loud boom boom boom and the kids were trying to get up. So we'll check was one of the people who called nine one one. The first officers on the scene carried the boys to a squad car to get them away from the house not knowing if they were alive or dead shortly after trying to get the boys to safety. More gunfire erupted from the house. Police and SWAT teams cleared the area around the House and surrounded it and then tried unsuccessfully for several hours to communicate with the person or people inside of the home. Eventually a bomb squad was called so law enforcement could use their robotic camera to look inside of the home with minimal risk for life after the robotic camera cleared. The House police entered and found the bodies of Kirstin Sheila Detsky and her ex husband spend per records. Police had not been called to this house previously. Now we turn a New Orleans Orleans Louisiana in the early morning hours of Sunday December. First police were called the Canal Street on the edge of the French quarter her. After receiving reports of gunfire police were on the scene within minutes and readily identified the shooting victims however despite the our being three twenty a m the street was so crowded it was impossible to identify a shooter witnesses to the shooting told. CNN and they heard gunshots following verbal dispute but because of the crowds could not tell where the shots were fired from. Ten people were injured in the incident of which two are still hospitalized in critical condition with gunshot wounds to their torsos the crowds in the French. Quarter her even bigger than usual this weekend. Because of the Bayou classic the Annual College Football Game between grambling state and Southern University had been held earlier earlier in the night at the superdome a mile away from the scene of the shooting there was an increased police presence on the streets which is how police reached the the scene so quickly law enforcement announced they have a person of interest in custody but of clarified. This person has not been charged and not identified fight as a suspect the investigation continues and we will provide an update when readily available our next story. Laurie takes us to League city. Texas Per Katie Archaic Houston a customs and Border Patrol agent allegedly shot and and killed his wife on Thanksgiving at around eleven pm on Thursday November. Twenty eighth officers responded to the League city residents Of Dudley and Sean Tell Bernard after receiving reports of multiple gunshots near the front door of the home law enforcement discovered forty two two year. Old Sean Tell Bernard who had been shot multiple times and was pronounced dead at the scene. Police say that the couple who both worked for customs customs and Border Patrol were celebrating Thanksgiving with their two sons and extended family per police. Following an argument Dudley Bernard left the House through the back door and returned armed with a handgun. He allegedly shot his wife Multiple Times killing her. A friend of Sean Intel Bernard told K. H. O. U.. That there were no apparent problems. In the couple's marriage Dudley Bernard peacefully surrendered to police in the front yard of his house. He was charged with murder and is being held on a two hundred thousand dollar Bond News News from Missouri Casey. Rg reports that on Thursday November. Twenty eighth twenty seven year old. Tory Andrei upchurch walked into to the Jefferson city. Police station covered in blood and proclaimed I know I just committed two murders. Police believe that around six PM on Thursday Tori upchurch went to a house on McCarty street and when seventeen year old earl key junior answered the door shot him in the face with a nine nine. Millimeter Handgun police. Believe that upchurch new key junior and went to the residents with the intention of confronting him. Witnesses called called nine one one and reported a man wearing dark clothes. Fleeing the scene police conducted a search but did not find the suspect around around eight forty five PM Jefferson city. Police received several nine. One one calls reporting a shooting on South Bridge drive. When law enforcement arrived arrived at the scene they found thirty three year? Old Sean Hill Cook lying in the street. She was pronounced dead at the scene. Witnesses Nisa from the scene helped police identify the suspect. As Tory Andrea Upchurch who further statements had been romantically involved with health for for a few months. A witness told police that upchurch and hill were both in hills car when upchurch became enraged with Hill. Because she wanted to help hope the witness carry her children belongings into the building. Tori upchurch reportedly told the victim to stay in the car repeatedly before allegedly allegedly shooting her multiple times and leaving the scene in her car. Minutes later upchurch drove hells car to a police station where he he's spontaneously volunteered. The had committed two murders. Police were searching for Tory upchurch when he turned himself. In on Friday Tori Andrei upchurch was charged with two counts of first degree murder after the break a Pennsylvania woman. He's been charged with the murder of her two children who were found hanging in her basement now for our final story. The Reading Eagle reports that thirty six year old Pennsylvania woman. Lisa Snyder has been arrested lasted in charged with murder in connection with the deaths of her two children. Connor and Brindley Snyder on September. Twenty Third Two Thousand Nineteen in court records released yesterday. Monday December second shed light on the course of the investigation and polices theory of the crime on September twenty third around four PM. Lisa Snyder called nine one one and said she found her two children. Ten year old connor and four year old Brindley Eh. Hanging in the basement of their house. Emergency Medical personnel arrived within ten minutes and found the children hanging from a support beam by vinyl uh-huh coated wire dog lead three feet apart from each other. The lead line had been wrapped around the support beam to wooden bar. highchairs were discovered knocked over beneath the children. The children were taken the Lehigh Valley Hospital where they passed away on September. Twenty six court records. Show that Snyder told investigators. The Connor was being bullied at school. She told them quote. He doesn't say much because he knows I will call call the school. He is overweight. has a speech delay a little slower to grasp things. Kids make fun of him because he's fat. He's lost twenty five pounds since school started because he was starving himself. Lisa also stated that connor was suicidal and had shared his desire to die with her saying quote. I would kill myself already but I'm too scared to go by myself on the day of the murder. According to Lisa Connor came Home from school and asked to use the dog lead and two of the kitchen chairs so he and his sister could build a fort in the basement where they frequently played. Lisa Snyder Hyder said she went outside for ten minutes to smoke a cigarette and return to the basement to find both children hanging. She claimed to try and lift them up and remove the lead line nine and when she could not she went upstairs to call nine one one however when investigators interviewed Lisa seventeen year old son who also lived in the home Tom. He seemingly contradicted parts of her story for one. He claimed that children never played in the basement. He also said Connor had never mentioned being bullied bullied at school. When investigators spoke to people at Connor School they also had no knowledge or record connor being bullied? Moreover the school disclosed that Connor had below average visual motor skills making it improbable that he could have worked the class of the dog lead or wrapped it around the support. Art being another witness told investigators three weeks before the deaths. Lisa Snyder visited her and told her she was very depressed. Did Not have have the energy to get out of the bed in the morning and no longer cared about her children. Lisa Snyder seventeen year old son also told police that Lisa so US three cellular phones only one of which she disclosed to investigators police allege that searches of Snyder's electronic devices and and social media showed in the week preceding the deaths. Lisa Snyder searched the Internet for information about suicide and murder on September seventeenth. She searched for carbon monoxide in car. How long to die on September twentieth? She searched almost got away with it. And I almost got away with it. Best episodes on September Twenty Second Liza Snyder search for hanging yourself and then visited a website with instructions actions on how to hang people on the day of the deaths. She searched does a hybrid car produced Carbon Monoxide Lisa. Snyder's facebook messages changes included a chat during which she allegedly shared explicit images of her engaging in sex acts with the family dog per court records the final messages she sent this recipient read. You'll hopefully see Sunday followed by a statement that she may find it difficult to find find a babysitter. Lisa Snyder has been charged with two counts of first degree murder. Two counts of second degree murder endangering during the welfare of children having sexual intercourse with an animal cruelty to animals and tampering with physical evidence. She is being held without bond. That's it for today. We'll see you tomorrow and until then stay safe you sort sort and scaled. Daily is an incongruity media production. Your host was Ryan Williams Research and writing Gar Iraq executive producer. Mike like Buddha. If you liked the show subscribe and leave us a review. If you'd like to write us with feedback or suggestions use the email address daily at sword and scale DOT DOT COM

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S2E2: The Couple

Case Closed

22:03 min | 1 year ago

S2E2: The Couple

"Before we start the show. Here's a message from our sponsor Virgo struggling to find the perfect vacation home, you need Virgo. They do the hard work for you matching you to the perfect place to stay every time from condos to cabins places with yards grills or hot tubs. They've got it. All search the R B O in the app store to download the verb. Oh app today. Take vacation from the frustrating. They case in search. That's Virgo the R B O available in the app store. Now. Let Virgo find a home that matches. You. Welcome back to case closed. My name is Charlie Spicer and this week. We're going to look at the relationship between Andrea and rusty. We'll trace their lives from their beginnings in college all the way through their married lives in Georgia. We hear how the recession hits these happy newlyweds, and how they cope we begin the day after detective Andrew Thomson and sergeant Gary cord Lino try to serve the Snyder Mun household with a search warrant remember from the last episode that Andrea's mother turns them away in a controversial move the detectors agreed to return the next day. They will later question. This decision. We now go to the Snyder my house, the officers come into the house and find Andrea her parents Benita and Herbert Greenberg and rusty's mother and father's sitting at the table. Andrea and rusty's now fatherless children play in adjacent room. The officers. Set up tape recorder and begin asking questions for the next two hours. The detectives get to know this Neiderman family and their secrets we begin with Andrea's early life and follower until she meets rusty. They go from young lovers too. Happy newlyweds to a couple struggling through the recession. Everything was fine between them according to Andrea. She was born. Andrea Greenberg and grew up with her brother Todd in the northern Ohio city of Sylvania a bright student with an aptitude for math and science. She went to the university of Indiana in Bloomington. Majoring in computer information systems and technology in September nineteen ninety four she visited the campuses hill chapter the Jewish home away from home, there were activities religious services and socializing with other students. She started talking to junior named rusty Snyder men whom she'd seen before on campus but hadn't spoken to until now rusty asked her about her sweater. It had the logo of the summer camp. She had gone to with her brother Todd for years rusty had a friend who also went. Later that evening with the retreat over Rushdie called Andrea. They went out together for the first time that same night, the son of an accountant Russell Snyder Mun was like Andrea from a close knit Jewish family in northern Ohio an overachiever still well remembered at beechwood high school rusty served as the editor of the school newspaper and played on the golf team. His goodbye call column his senior year reprinted in full after his murder more than fifteen years later revealed the traits that would later serve him well in business. He was self deprecating charming funny optimistic. Both bright and ambitious. The young couple explored the quaint towns surrounding the university rusty's obituary would say and soon found they shared a family history. Their grandparents on both sides had founded the same synagogue in Florida. Rusty graduated in nineteen ninety six and returned home to Cleveland's to work at an accounting firm. Andrea followed him there for the summer after her junior year living in an apartment and visiting rusty and has parents frequently Donald and Maryland's Neiderman were fund of their son's girlfriend and Donald later remarked that they seemed very much in love after Andrea graduated in nineteen ninety eight they found a small apartment in Chicago, both working at Deloitte consulting. Andrea parents frowned on them living together before marriage, but Andrea was certain it was only a matter of time before they were husband and wife. Rusty proposed in two thousand while they -cation that are resort in Laguna gal in Orange County, California over the next hectic months they plan to wedding while rusty applied to business schools in rapid succession. Harvard Business School accepted him and on December thirtieth two thousand they tied the knot in a ceremony in that same Florida synagogue co founded by their grandparents the newlyweds settled into an even smaller apartment in Boston. The closet was so tiny. They couldn't use hangers while rusty attended business school and Andrea worked at a struggling startup company when the company went under rusty found a posting for a job at the business school in the information technology department. Andrea was hired has a liaison between the technical people. Who wrote the software and the Harvard professors and faculty who used it. She saw rusty every day and they socialized with his classmates. Andrea was in the midst of a major project when rusty after graduation got offered a business development position for Siebel systems offices in Atlanta, the couple agreed. He should take the position after three months in a comfortable company apartment at the San Mateo, California headquarters while rusty train. They moved to Smyrna Georgia northwest of Atlanta into a neighborhood with other young couples who would become their longtime friends. After their first child daughter Sophia was born in August two thousand five the Snyder men sought a new neighborhood with better public schools. They found it in Dunwoody. Rusty would move to another company this time doing wealth management at J P Morgan in Atlanta there two incomes and savings. Got them at nine hundred thousand dollar house on a quiet cul de sac as members of the congregation or Josh synagogue. They were active in Atlanta's Jewish community. So FIA would be enrolled in Dunwoody prep, preschool and went son, Ian was born in October two thousand seven he stayed home with Andrea. Well, she worked out of the home. The Snyder made extra payments on their home to build equity and earned enough to buy a second house on lake Okoni in Eton, Georgia. They're live says busy young professionals with small children were not always easy as the country sank into a recession. Harvard had less work for contractors like Andrea soon, her remaining duties dwindled, then in late two thousand seven rusty was laid off from J P Morgan of victim of the hit on financial institutions property values throughout the Atlanta region plunged, including the mini mansions of Dunwoody. Where some residents found themselves owning more than their houses were worth the Snyder. Men's now had two mortgages and two children. And neither Andrea nor rusty had a fulltime job, but they had time and resources. Even during the worst of the recession the head nearly a million dollars in the Bank and cash and retirement accounts. Characteristically self-confident rusty set out to find another job without having to settle for the first opportunity that came along he explored several ventures businesses he could purchase or start up. But none panned out. He eventually took another salaried position this time as chief financial officer for discovery point child development centers, a daycare chain based in Duluth, Georgia. Almost immediately rusty clashed with the owner his days at discovery point seemed numbered by late two thousand nine with rusty on the brink of unemployment and Andrea contract work with Harvard petering out she ventured into the job market. She commiserated with a friend the wife of one of rusty's college roommates who was trying to return to the work world after having children. She led Andrea to a woman in her book club named Ariella Newman who was married to a top level manager at GE energy in the same technical computer field as Andrea Andrea didn't know Ariella or her husband Hemi Newman, but they had mutual acquaintances. After an interview Hemi hired Andrea in March twenty ten as a quality system's manager in the product creation department job descriptions, were so technical that person unschooled in technology, and engineering would struggle to understand what anybody even did at GE energy. But for Andrea it meant a solid job in a rough economy full benefits and a salary of a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars a year. She was to report to work in April that same week. Rusty was fired from discovery point. Rusty finally had the freedom to fulfill his dream of building a company that he could pass onto his children. Then at a party he met a man with an idea for a voicemail service with a celebrity twist in a filing with the Georgia secretary of state rusty named the business star voicemail and described it as a service providing custom voicemail greetings, featuring notable sports movie music and TV personalities, he registered a domain name and began building a website. Andrea helped with the technical side and became one of its most enthusiastic supporters. The startup showed promise meetings were held with investors. But with Andrea now holding down a fulltime office job rusty had taken over the bulk of the childcare duties, it was a difficult transition. Andrea would later acknowledge at times rusty would be annoyed with the situation. She said, particularly when homelife cut into the time he wanted to spend on the voice. Smale startup complicating things were Andrea. Unexpected travel demands for GE Andrea later said that she didn't want to be away from home very often. So she and rusty came to an agreement that it would only be about twenty percent of her job. It turned out to be more than that within days. She was on the road and her travel. Schedule would call for one trip a month on average when she wasn't on the road or staying late at the office. She had to take work home with her rusty saw the demands on Andrea and began to feel guilty. Most of the details of Andrea and rusty's relationship came out in Andrea's interview with police the day after the murder the picture painted was of a normal couple with challenges shared by other families in the Georgia suburbs. Andrea lawyer would later categorize them as having a happy hectic life where they were enjoying each other. They were enjoying their kids. Nothing on the surface suggested why rusty would be targeted for murder. That is until detective Thompson asked Andrea if anything unusual had happened recently. After the break with here about two unusual instances Andrea described to detective Thomson that suggests something wasn't quite right. This episode of case closed is brought to you by the audiobook edition of saving Meghan by DJ. Palmer, it's red for you by Mary, Stuart Masterson and Rebecca SOLER some would say Becky Gerard is a devoted mother who would do anything for her only child others, including her husband Carl claims she's obsessive and maybe even dangerous becky's fifteen year old daughter Megan has been in and out of hospitals with a plague of unexplained illnesses, but when the ailments, take a sharp, turn clashing medical opinions begin to raise questions about the puzzling nature of Megan's illness, doctors suspect Munchausen syndrome by proxy, a rare behavioral disorder where the primary caretaker seeks medical help for made up symptoms of child is this what's going on. Or is there something even more sinister at hand? Listen to an excerpt of the audiobook and MacMillan audio dot com. Mm slash Palmer. That's macmillan. Audio dot com slash P. A L M E R. This week case closed is also supported by another podcast called. But that's another story. It's a show about how the books we love can change us bestselling author will Schwalbe -i talks to influential guess about the books that have meant the most to them in their lives. Here Jodie Foster talk about reading Freni and Zoe by j d Salinger the experience convinced her to put her acting career on hold. So she could go to college and form a community and hear from NPR's. Sam Sanders about how the book new people by Dan's e Senna change the way he thinks about race. It's a beautiful show full of moving stories find. But that's another story. Wherever you listen. We pick up with detective Thompson asking Andrea about any unusual occurrences. Minutes into the interview she pointed to two events that had left her and rusty shaken the first occurred a month earlier on October twentieth. When she was upstairs at home with rusty and heard the garage door open. They called nine one one and Dunwoody. Police officer took a report nothing had been stolen, and it didn't appear that anybody had entered the garage or house police suggested that it may have been a technical glitch somebody with the same garage remote code activating. The Snyder men's opener by mistake three weeks later. They got a second scare. Around eight thirty AM on Wednesday, November tenth rusty was getting ready to take in Dunwoody prep when he thought he smelled gas walking around to the side of the house to check the meter rusty saw a man lying face down on the ground near the air conditioning unit. He thought he was sleeping. Andrea told Thomson and quarter Lino, but then the person stood up and rusty asked him some questions one. He asked this person, are you? Okay. And two. Are you supposed to be here? There was no response. Rusty got smart ran into the car in the garage backed up the driveway into the street and called nine one one. Andrea was at her desk at GE at the time having dropped off so FIA at the elementary school on the way to work recounting, what rusty later told her. She said that the man fled across the lawn and into the woods behind the house as he ran. He held something in the small of his back. Rusty didn't see it. But feared it was a gun. Their concern was deepened by the fact that the man seemed to know the layout of their property had the man run down the other side of the house. He would have plunged into a deep gully. Instead he went toward a pathway so secluded that only people who lived there knew it existed rusty later took into daycare and returns to talk to police and firefighters who had come to make sure there was no danger from the leak. The gas guy when rusty told his story said the man was probably not just looking for a place to sleep, but was stealing. Copper. Andrea said. Assuring Andrea that he'd follow up on the reports Thomson next asked Andrea about rusty's business dealings. As Andrea appeared frustrated at the extent of the questions court Alina told her that they were going in every direction they possibly could. Instead, she reminded them of this man on the side of my house. Yes, I could see that man wanting to kill rusty because he saw his face. And he was worried that he might get in trouble. I can see that that makes sense to me. She said. Thomsen told her that everything was being done at the same time in the investigation and warned her against drawing conclusions based on their questions. He assured her another detective was well positioned to follow up on the mysterious man lead. Andrea repeated that the man had to know the neighborhood had to have been there before she suggested it may have been construction worker from a project on a house behind theirs. Thompson said her information was helpful and he'd pass it onto the gang officer. Then asked her more questions about rusty's businesses. They were more than an hour into the interview when Thomson broached the subject he had stayed away from because of its sensitivity the group at the table had now grown to include rusty's brothers. Stephen a civil lawyer from Ohio Thompson asked has there been anybody recently? And when I say recently within the past year that has expressed interest in you. Yes, she said without hesitation who my boss what's his name Hemi Newman. She said and she began to cry. Hemi newman. You'll recall is the boss Andrea called on her way to the crime scene. The same boss who hired her at GE energy at his wife's suggestion back to the interview Thompson asked how old Newman was and she said she had no idea in his late forties. She described him as shortish and gesture to her brother Todd who gave his height. She said. He was also about Todd's. Wait has it been a flirtation or has he specifically said I'm interested in you Thompson asked he specifically said that. Yes. Thompson asked if there had been interest in rusty in the same way, Andrea said that she didn't think. So Andrea mother said you didn't ask if that was reciprocated was it reciprocated asked Thompson in a quiet voice. Barely audible above the household din. Andrea said I made it clear that I am not an individual that would do something like this. After Andrea gave Hemi title as an operations manager. Her mother added. She's conducted herself above board. She's extremely professional. The detectives looked at the woman questioning -ly. This is Andrea mother. She said identifying herself for the tape recorder. I just need for you to know that as soon as that happened. She said that to me she said, I made it very clear to him that I wasn't interested in him that this wasn't going to go anywhere quarter Lino asked you knew about this. I'm close said Andrea smother Thompson made a mental note to continue this line of questioning in a follow up one on one interview with Andrea at the police station later. Thompson and quarter Lino segue to the search warrants. The detectives were authorized by the courts to seize the families, computer and personal and financial papers. Andrea mother became particularly animated about it. As did Andrea. They worried about losing the computer and everything on it, including family pictures. They acknowledged that overnight. They had already taken some pictures off the hard drive. The detective said this would be a problem one that could be exploited by a defense attorney and told them they'd have to sign a document saying that the photos were the only things removed. As the detectives went through the couple's papers in the stairs office. They found a document that Donald Snyder men as the family accountant recognized it was for rusty's life insurance policy in the amount of nearly two million dollars payable to his beneficiary. Andrea when her father Herbert saw the Bill he told Donald that. Andrea had no idea. Rusty wasn't shirt for that much. Detectives would come back to this first interview with Andrea over and over Andrea and rusty's financial struggles during the recession Hemi Newman pursuing Andrea the family's reluctance to hand over the computer the insurance policy are these points coincidences or motives. Next. We follow the detectives as they explore a some new leads including more digging into the man outside the house with the a homeless person trying to get some sleep or was he failed assassin. And what about the silver minivan the shooter drove off in? We'll explore all of this and more next time on case closed. Case closed is a production of MacMillan podcasts. This season is based on the book crazy for you by Michael semen. Get the book or the audio book using the link in our show notes. The show is produced by Decky Celestino with help from Katie Ferguson, Sarah grill, and Eliza Martino we also wanna thank Michael fleekerman. Can't wait to hear. What really happened to rusty Snyder men here all of the season right now on Stitcher premium, go to Stitcher premium dot com slash case closed and use code closed to start your free trial. I'm Charlie Spicer. Thanks so much for listening.

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 Season #2:23 Becoming a King  with Morgan Snyder

Influencer Networking Secrets Podcast

53:59 min | 5 months ago

Season #2:23 Becoming a King with Morgan Snyder

"Welcome to the influence or networking secrets. Podcasts or you learn the software code of the world's most advanced diverse and non artificial intelligence human personalities. You're host is Paul Edwards International bestselling author mastermind leader and creator of the five qualities of the radically generous entrepreneur. By listening to our episodes you'll become magnetic to your market you'll create and receive profitable publicity. You will profit by not working for profit you persuade through print and you'll learn to curate your own unpaid salesforce. This episode is sponsored by the Book Business Beyond Business. Get your free copy today by going to the Paul Edwards Dot Com and signing up for our mailing list. Now please welcome your host Paul Edwards. My friends welcome to another power packed episode of influence or networking secrets. This episode features the return of a friend and Mentor. Morgan Snyder of ransom part ministries in Colorado to the show. Morgan joins us to discuss his new book. Becoming a king which will be available on Amazon may twenty sixth of this year. You can find a link to order it in our show notes and Morgan appeared on the show in the fall of two thousand eighteen to discuss three primary styles of relating in this sequel. I want to emphasize something I talk about in chapter six of influence or never secrets the book which is also coming out this summer that chapter is titled The curator. But I originally got the idea from something. I've heard Morgan. Say many times in the talks he gives at ransomed heart retreats and the quote goes find lighthearted kings on the same mission as you then sign treaties with them when they're at war. You're at war. One thing I can safely anticipate about Morgan's book is that he too will emphasize the importance of surrounding yourself with the right people. Becoming King is about the journey. He took many years ago to learn from men what he could expect in his thirties and forties during that journey he also took pains to maintain strong relationships with his peers eventually founded a fellowship ministry called become good soil in addition to live retreats. Morgan also publishes blogs podcasts through become good soil and influences tens of thousands of younger men to saddle up and take a hard journey of learning to lead families businesses churches and other organizations as heroic authentic sources of strength in a chaotic and broken. I hope you enjoy this and find it useful. Now let's begin. Welcome to influence an influence or networking secrets. It's a pleasure to have you with us. And I'm joined today by a friend and a mentor. Somebody who I listen to you could you could save pretty religiously. But in the in the right sense of the word Morgan Snyder of ransomed heart ministries. Back on the show. Morgan Soga too heavy with us. How is your soul my friend? Thanks Paul that's up. That's a very beautiful question. That's the right question to be asking any human being a particularly in these days in To be honest I'm quite well. Well in my soul. I'm not without facing some pretty big battles. I think even this morning I'm thinking about this idea that ancient wisdom literature says that there will be shaking so that the things that can be shaken. We'll be exposed to things that our unshakable will remain in so when you asked that question I think where I go is a lots being shook up and not all of that is some of it is very revealing and yet what isn't Being shaken are the things that are unshakable and so for example. You know one mentor. Said we will read. Been this decade in the last decade and I think I'm GonNa Season of reaping with my family And I'm very grateful of. We are piled on top of each other in this Kobe situation and for the most part. It's actually really really good and I don't think it would have been that good a decade ago. I think it would have been mass. And so I'm actually very grateful to see the through of the The honest on access to each other's true self within an so so there's parts that are irving I think my heart very brokenhearted for quite a few allies out there that are really embattled but also on doing very well thanks for asking and that's a great answer and Yeah similar similar set of circumstances to what I'm experiencing in and not surprising at all I had forgotten that that is one of the best quotes. I've heard that you've shared previously is that we will reap in the next decade. What we saw in this one I have to. I have to start keeping a running list of all these things. 'cause I get so much mileage out of so many of them while we're talking Mortgage COMING OUT WITH. A new book. It's called becoming a king. It's due out two days before my birthday so we're going to try and time this episode to release right around that time to prompt people to to go but of course you can always pre-order it as well and It's already posted up there on Amazon and Morgan. What what's what's intriguing about this. I I sort of saw this coming for you almost for a long time. I just had a sense. You know this stuff is so valuable. One day he's gotTa write a book about this I want people to sorta catch the tremendous. Would you call it an advantage that you give that one can get early on by insisting on what you call the taking the lowest seat at the table You spend all these hours interviewing and speaking and researching and thinking about what you learned from older men and just you know sort of refer a little bit on what that does for a young leader on the journey. Paul there's I think because our time is short here. I want to be as concise as I can and one word from a mentor. Many years ago just burned in my soul and he said there are only two choices. One is humility in the other humiliation in the question is which do you want and when I heard that my reaction was after rape no there I know there's a third way in that in overtime wisdom's Longview in the slow and steady process of consenting. Is it's true. The masculine journey we only mature and become wholehearted and strong and true through the process of either humility or humiliation and most men end up taking the path. A great movie to watch if you need to watch a movie with your your family at home is the Mask of Zorro where Young Zora is with Older Zorro. In it says Young Zorro says I would have killed that man and Ozora turn says yes You would have thought you would have fought bravely and you would have died quickly and the desire is not the bad thing and I think that's what I'd say. Paul is the we are hardwired in our DNA. In our design in our nature to build it was the first mandate given in some of the sacred texts of the Hebrew people where it says That will ever was set in the fabric of creation. Whatever we name as our creator that we were fashioned in that image in that idea in whatever was intended in all of creation. Some design in some capacity to rule and reign to bring forth. Good things bring forth goodness and truth and beauty in the world to create and explore. That was in the heart of design in that design is fashioned in us in so we're designed at. Oh it's a it's a captain at the helm of ship and it's a teacher in the front of a classroom in its roic person. Trying to start up micro business with microlending in a Third World Nation. Were meant to bill were meant to create. Were meant to explore. That's good day but the challenge is where we take it. Because so often we attached desire and fulfillment in other words. We go chase our dreams in our dreams. Destroy us the in. We come to these interesting conclusions. That may we may be. We were wrong about who we are in who we were meant to be in this world and I wanna just risk pressing a little deeper we come to even deeper conclusions may be whatever is bigger than us is actually against us. Can we really trust something beyond ourselves? And instead the ancient wisdom and sitting at the feet of all of these elders there was a recovery of these distilled. Truce IN ONE OF THEM. Was that there is a path in a process to mature and to become wholehearted so that we can build we can create but what we do is bring a strength to a war world instead of bringing our question. We all have this very deep question that even escapes our consciousness so often but it's a question that longs to be answered. Do I have what it takes a my the real deal in Maya troop person do I have do. I have something worth fighting for. Is their meeting in my life. Do I stand for the right things in so often? We bring questions to our world to answer rather than bringing our strength out of that question being answered in so what I would suggest is. The ancient literature says that there's nothing new under the Sun. Right we history is our great teacher of we want to understand how to live in this unprecedented. Our we have a map in its history history. Inform US can inform an inform us. You know a great book is Timothy. Egan's the worst hard time about the dust bowl the worst disaster in modern history environmentally because of man's power set with circumstances too much power and too little wisdom so the agent suggests that there is another way and it flies in the face of this world that. What if we were to take this? This god-given desire this nature in us to build into create but let that be a fuel for our process of the slow and steady over time to become kind of person that can walk in that authority on behalf of good and love for other people. It's interesting that you That you started off the way you did there Morgan. Because I was it made me think back to when I was. I'm now I'm turning forty this year. I was in my early thirties and everything felt so urgent right. I felt like I'm already behind the curve. Got You know I've heard you use this expression. Just get something going. Yes and I remember being thirty two thirty three and thinking if I don't make it happen now. It's never going to happen but the interesting thing is the more. I've taken this journey that you're describing even though I'm now older an have technically chronologically less time on the Earth's left than I did then I feel I don't feel that way at all. I feel like it's nothing but bright open expanse. It feels. It feels the opposite of the way it should given if you limit yourself to. This is all this is all I have. You know the these seventy five eighty years average male life expectancy whatever it is else being equal but I feel I feel exactly the opposite. I don't know if that's if that's the same for everybody but it certainly been certainly the way I felt in in this time in Paul what would you say comparing kind of let's name your two selves as far as different stages of maturation right the thirty two year old. Paul Edwards and then the almost forty. And like you're saying that there is distinct experience with in your body within your mind in your interpretation from what was thirty two to what it was at forty in it. Sounds like you're describing something more than just growing up more than just being a little older. What would you name as maybe part of the process that you went through? This was the fruit. Well I think probably the best way that I can describe it I would say Morgan that again. I I refer back to another instance where you and I were in the same room albeit. This was a physical room and it was at boot camp and you did the teaching on son ship and I went out and wept for thirty minutes straight after that after that teaching because I had forgotten that key foundational principle that That I don't carry the weight of the world on a on my shoulders alone with no one to help me. Yes and so. I realized there's probably people listening for whom that's a foreign concept. This is a a very Judeo Christian way of looking at the world but the the the think the moment that everything changed was that moment I can I can. I can remember it clear as day. I went out and I sat. There was some like electrical generator near by little box. You know near near the auditorium where we were and I just lost it because I realized I had spent several years believing all kinds of horrible things. Just like you said. They're all kinds of horrible things about God That an and none of them were true. So maybe that maybe that Phil maybe does that. Answer the question. There think it's I think it's really insightful especially your listeners to personalize it you we're talking about. You mentioned that. Get something going if I could talk. Could nate in kind of distill this desire to build into three kind of ideas. It's we set out to make a name for ourselves to make a little money to get something going. Whatever that something is right. If if we could just look at every person's life who has set theirself towards building we would we would see that Shea and when when you take what you just described Pau heart. It really believes it's all up to me. It's never good enough. There's never peace and in some ways. The work that you're bringing to the world is never really freely offer benefits for ROIC or altruistic in its front face is long as we have. The motive right motive is always the battleground of the heart Long as we have a motive that it's for self and self interest and self value self esteem. We're never really free in. The world can never really thrive in the goodness of what we're bringing to it and so. I think it's really important to pause and ask. What is the motive behind what we do? And what is it that we want to do with it and WanNa suggest as we live in a fairy? We live in a culture steeped very deeply in the south life in other words self sufficiency self autonomy self saving from whatever. The death version is in our life. We owe save ourselves. But if you look at the great stories that borrow the power from the story of Are All stories? It seems there's this universal truth and it's worth exploring like in the stories in films that you love the books. You love historical characters. You love that the most powerful forces in creation or never autonomists always in service of something or someone larger from Kung Fu Panda two. Gladiator Braveheart. Right there's always a greater four. I like Star Wars or Lord of the rings of or always a greater person that it's in the service of in so would urge people to consider their motives in wonder about that because often not thread will lead to were more life than we've been led to believe is available. I agree and your sort of halfway through the next thing. I was going to ask you but I wanted to. I wanted to say I've I've I've had some interesting insight. I'll share real briefly on why this is set up this way and funnily enough. I learned it from Rabbi Daniel Lapin. You may have heard of And he pointed out that The entire economic system that we have is built on cooperation between human beings in other words no to human beings have exactly the same needs or wants or desires and so as a result this is why he tells tells the Jews in Leviticus to season every offering with salt because salt is made of two compounds that by themselves are toxic but together. They're delicious and nutritious and helpful and the the the reality. They're trying to get us to see their as we when we work together right when we joined hands when we find those lighthearted kings who are walking in the same path and sign treaties with them. everything begins to begin to there begins to be that forward momentum that that we hear about but the can often seem very far off like it's for other people but not for US anyway. I just wanted to sort of frame that question by saying why what what what did you maybe come across such that helps you understand why the world is set up this way. That's a that's a great question. There is a fascinating documentary. I would recommend your listeners watch. It's a great again family film Tom Shadrack was the producer director of a liar. Liar all the drew Carey Movies and Bruce Almighty right nutty professor. He has a fascinating story and he had a near death. Experience in basically he went from poverty to riches because of Jim Carrey and he had a mountain bike. Accident almost died in through it. He came to this personal crisis. Of what am I living for? And he had the startling revelation of the things that he thought would make him happy. Mostly material things in the end. Were not providing the life that he wanted so he wrote this. He found this brilliant documentary called. I am and it's built on Chesterton famous writing into the newspaper to the question of what's wrong with this world right and Chesterton wrote back. Dear Sirs I am sincerely yours. G K Chesterton in the idea was shady up went around the world to the wisest oldest sages. He could find the earth not unlike what I did. And he asks what's wrong with the world and what he found some fascinating revelations of sort in one was what you are describing that we are far more connected than we believe on most given days the system is all living and breathing with life and he has some fascinating pieces in the documentary but he goes on to say what if that were made for human connection were made for spiritual connection and we are actually made to thrive in the context of true connection. So I think what the challenges Paul if that is our design when we live in a world that's also very roken When you said you know hell how the world operates what it's built on. I thought you were going here with the idea that most of the economic system in my view on a human level built on consumption like we have a very consumer centric culture and a lot of it's built on excess and that's why we're seeing such staggering implications because food clothing and shelter as it turns out doesn't take much and yet the economy needs to continue to crank on things. That aren't essential nuts gross oversimplifying. But what I just want to name. As in a broken world we ended up being very competitive in of standing against each other rather than as we move towards health and wholeness. There is a very deep cooperation where we are we. Stand it in need and we hate that in our in our self life we hate to have need and yet there's nothing more life giving when we have a vulnerability in a need and that is matt and intern were able to offer in risk for other people not knowing how it will be received in so. I think it's a fascinating question and I do think that if we pull back in the fabric of creation there is symbiosis. There is connection. There is collaboration and as leaders. If we are willing to do the work to become wholehearted we become the kind of people that are able to bring our offering and our work in the world to To serve that greater good letting go of outcomes and releasing evaluation. Yeah she you know in the even as I was finishing the question. I suddenly remembered Something else that That new and John and everybody drove home in boot camp in. That is that the the at the very very core of the entire universe is a being who is relational. Enough himself right. He's in other words. There's there's that's why we call him the trinity and I remember John's von this John's quota what he was quitting. Somebody said we were born out of the laughter of the Trinity. And all that to say that I just I I see this profound value You want you asked me earlier. What was What was another change in mindset? I've never been so strong as when I have relied on others for all the things I can't do you all and and and being comfortable with that and owning it and not feeling ashamed of it or or incompetent or or less of a man. Because I don't know how to do XYZ not that. I shouldn't learn how to do things I mean. It's not saying okay. Well I'll just throw money at the problem. But but it's it's more of a of an acceptance of I. I don't know how to do this and I really. I really should go and learn and I should. You know which which is actually the next question I was going to ask is. What is there a process Morgan? is there sort of away you think about or a way that you approach finding those people because again we can't just go for just anybody right. This is this is based on curing those right kind of people to surround you as you go through this journey and I'm curious as to what how you think about that. Maybe if that's evolved for you or tell me a little bit about that yet it has evolved and I would say it's it has to start with pain. Where are you in your need and if it really is about building the self life of it's about getting more effective and more maximizing more strategic in you know? Best Business Practices. You can do that at N. I suggest that over time. That's the main motives. It just leads to more fatigue. More exhaustion more disappointment no matter what the outcomes are but if if the person willing to be honest with their soul there's always an onramp available to them here and now and so what. I would suggest as it begins. What pain and IT STARTS WITH QUESTIONS. I remember. I was sitting with John eldredge. When he laid out a picture of of life a worldview away to interpret life was more life giving in vibrant and inclusive of all things than I ever experienced and I went to his office. He was my professor at the time and I said John I'm in like I'm in. I want what you have and sign me up. I'm here to serve. And he looked at me he said. Well what are your questions and I said I don't know I have no idea what the questions are. You're the teacher. Just tell me. And he said real maturation true apprenticeship is formed by the questions so he said it's okay that you don't have questions go in find your questions and when you have the questions come back and let's talk about them. That was the beginning of all of this journey of initiation in. So Paul what I would I suggest is. What are your questions based in pain where life is not working? Yeah what what are your questions and then where will you take those? And that is a really critical question. Because the temptation is to oversimplify our pursuit of Life Burnett Brown says complex problems require complex solutions in so this is not a quick fix things in life worth fighting for our never quick are never cheat and are never easy so I just WanNa disappoint all your listeners ahead of time to say what we're talking about is not quick it's not cheap and it's not easy but the promise is life and that is a sure if you assent to the path and process of the slow and steady and so it's very easy to turn to experts to turn to these outside people and put them on a pedestal and find a part of their life that you admire in a suit all these other things that are simply not true and then worse it gets into false comparison where when we compare part of our lives so part of another person's life in the end we always lose in the end adaptation. We lose we have to understand. Everyone is a picture of beautiful mosaic of dignity and depravity and there is no silver bullet mentor. There's no one sought one stop shop one-size-fits-all and so what I did was I asked the questions. An Paul in full disclosure. It began with the confession of I. Don't even know the questions but I know the answers are rooted in God in his life and yet I also now realise. I don't even know how well I know. God I don't really know what he's like. I know that I've placed a lot of limitations on him. I know that I've learned in law wrong. In lots of ways is I even had to come clean with my own questions. Not Hide behind. Credo statements or theology. Honest about what do I really believe about? The Scott and everything was up for grabs and so then it began asking questions choosing humility stumbling forward failing lot but becoming veracious student of life and so just quick examples. I've found myself young Mary in now. I own this house. It's over leveraged right. I own this town. Mome that really the bank accounts. I scrambled up a down payment. But I don't really own this house if I don't pay my mortgage. I quickly find out. Who owns this house? But now I owned two toilets. Neither of which I know how to fix because I didn't grow up in a world where a man taught me how to fix toilet. I grew up in a world where that was outsourced to hired hands and so I was scared of my broken toya now understand outside. My world was very successful. I was helping lead an organization but I was scared of my toilet in because of that I was scared of mind wife because of the fear in the shame of her being married to a man who looked powerful in scared of his toilet but the path of initiation began. What can I do? This was before Youtube and so the only place was home depot. I showed up and I started asking questions. This is my problem. Do you have any advice and I remember sitting in the parking lot of homedepot Saturday after Saturday after Saturday as a young man saying God I need a father. I don't know how to do this and I can tell you. It was a wonderful mixed experience. There were times of disappointment. There were times of stumbling the of failure. Figure it out but mostly it was a story of responding something that was larger than me and being in Initiated on my behalf and my work was responding. I'm meeting old guy in I'll six at home depot. And he would say. I can help you with that. I remember hiring a handyman. Saying I'll pay you full price if you're willing to let me work with you because I don't want you to just do it for me. I want you to teach me. And so those are just a and he said well that's different. I'm never had anyone asks me that. And that's when you sniff and you smell and you go. Perhaps on a narrow road that leads to life and so I think what I'd say in a in a summary All is where's the pain. What are the questions? Who are you asking? And you being a good caretaker of heart and soul. Knowing that no single person can ever fully be the fulfillment of the need that we have for a father and a mother. Those sources can be God and God alone but when we have that source the world is our oyster and it's a playground in its place of adventure to get pieces in parts in any in every place many of it where we were never thought we could find. Yeah now. Great Answer I I mean it it brings a lot of things to to mind even even since the last time you and I were on a podcast together. Just things that I had to experience particularly what you mentioned there. Morgan about the The whole thing about experts in an just just find the person who's got the you know who's who's got everything together and then imitate what they do. I've had I've had this conversation. This conversations happened with a couple of different guests now and I think it's something that I'm starting to see like a thread. Right of just more people are beginning to wake up to that now which is a good thing but but also You know this is. This is why we're told. Put No confidence in the flesh and put no confidence in trust in you know. Don't trust in man and human wisdom alone right you have to. You have to be willing to do to describe there that at Scavenger Hunt where you find little bits and pieces of it that all point to a power and a wisdom and his strength external to us but also way above any single one of us. And it's that power in that person that actually draws out the strength within us and that's the brilliance of it it's not to minimize the unique expression that's been bestowed within us. It's actually to live in it to allow it to be infused with the power beyond ourselves. The greater good in the world. So you're absolutely right balls. There's this wonderful process that as we can sense to. Humility is just so counter cultural and as we risk vulnerability so comical trouble as we risk dependence on something beyond ourselves so counter cultural it actually becomes this vehicle to allow what is been planted in. Us and entrusted to us to come to fruition and be released in the world. That's the irony. Is the wonderful parable about the sewer in the seeds that it feels like the long road the slow and steady feel so inefficient if feels like there has to be a shortcut but in truth wisdom's long view the slow and steady road overtime. Proves to be where there's thirty sixty even a hundredfold harvest. The slow and steady becomes the shortest road to the life we want for. Yeah you're making me. Think now of a Bible Project episode. I heard where they talk about the the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the tree of life beyond and if we're willing to walk past the tree of knowledge of good and evil will find our way way to the tree of life and and then all of a sudden you get proper perspective on the knowledge right then you can look at something genuinely intelligently not just with. What's in front of us here now but with an eternal perspective Now an and. That's exactly what I'm experiencing. We're being entrusted with tremendous power. The question isn't will. We be entrusted with power. The question is what will we do with it? Numbered Einstein said a ray. Technology is like a razor blade in the hand of a three-year-old. That's how I feel like with an iphone or an IPAD with a mobile device. What I want. I wish I could have said to. Steve Jobs is. Do you know what you're giving to the world and there is no doubt tremendous. Good has come from these. Technological advances but the leverage of Power Paul entrusted to who have not yet become the kind of people to Wield. That sort of power is of great concern. So what will you do with power? It's really one of the most fundamental questions of the human experience. And you know this this sort of this sort of segues into what I was going to ask you last as we're dwindling down on time here. Morgan. But I've heard the actually heard your wife Sherry say the Sun. The podcasts actually went back and listen to the. How is your soul podcast series that you guys did as one of my favorite ones and she described her younger years by saying that she lived with an arrogance of flying by the seat of her pants and And I want to. I've had the same sort of experience When I didn't have that circle of trusted advisors and that and that sort of this is where that sort of ties into what you just said because with absent that circle of people that you can that you in humility choose to learn from you can come into a lot of people do right. A lot of people come into positions of power whether it's just local in your neighborhood or as high as the Oval Office Right. There are people entrusted with power. That have no idea how to use it. Or what it's for there's that There's that quote what is what is John say that the story of the history of man is man God wanting to entrust man with his power and man not being able to handle it. Here's what happened. Though when I started to march against this March upstream in in the council of trusted advisers I started to find it more and more difficult to abuse my power because the the the more I the more I the more the dawned on me Monday morning. I've got to jump on a mastermind call and I can either lie to these guys faces or I can try to be a fly on the wall or I can deal with this right now and repent of it to my family or to whoever I've wrong and then walk in Monday morning and say I did screw up. I did. Tent did apologize. I did receive forgiveness. I did receive it and I'm not GONNA do it again. And that was that was ever since. Then it's just. I'm I'm I'm making leaps and bounds over all not leaps and bounds. But I'm just I'm I'm walking right across these you know. It's like walking across the Red Sea. It's like all of a sudden all of that all of those obstacles that I used to see in charge into blocked me from doing the the kind of things that I really aspired to do. For the right reasons the they're not even there so anyway little maybe a crude illustration there. But I'd like to get your take on that I think I think one thing that you're describing in part that I would simply name his growing in increasing self awareness. You've become a student of your own life in Seoul in the problem with the false the problem when we are driven by the ego the the is that we can't actually see our own lives. I remember when I was working at Gold's gym my junior year in high school and my boss and my manager came to me and told me that I was being arrogant in. I was shocked because I really thought I had a posture of serving these guys. They were my heroes and I wanted to impress everybody and in my mind. I had no emotional resonance with what they were saying. But I knew these men actually loved me and it's here the state forty forty four and I remember it like a moment ago that I I could not see myself in now. Looking back with was long view I realized I was so driven in this character of trying to be a make a name for myself. Get something going. Make MONEY BE SOMEBODY THAT. I actually didn't know who I was and so lacks tremendously lack self awareness. And so I think what I'd say to your listeners. In to celebrate in your life is we are intended to grow and self awareness and one of the ways we need to do that is by being willing to ask people in our life that we can trust how they experience us. What is it like to be with me? Many people don't have a single person in their life. That will be honest with them. So now. That's your frontier. You have to start there. But for the precious folks have a precious few. That will be honest. All that we're talking about. I would suggest that's a brilliant on ramp to the road of start with what is my experience. What is your experience of me and I know just a living example is I think a lot in me as a young man in Orage was to prove that I could love and lead my wife and be Roic for her in all the while. Much of that was out of my false. Need to my need to prove something. My need to prove something to myself. Let alone the world and actually missed. Her voice missed her thoughts. In what I've come to find out is she is God's intended first counselor in my life my first person that I need to go to for wisdom for feedback for perspective and it's taken years of were to get to confession repentance and honesty with each other where we we can be really true about our The impact we have on each other so yesterday are oven. Broke and I was sitting with my daughter. Sherry was cooking. We on the couch designing bump at building restarting a bunk bed. Bill this weekend for Abigail for for her room and the other one out. And it tripped the breaker. We went back and forth Son Reset a couple times in long story. Short is the The ovens broken. And it's not the breaker. It's not the house wiring. It's the event and I pulled it all our and inspected everything I could end. And IT'S A it's a electric issue that I simply can't resolve. I'm not technician. So it's a generalist. There's a lot I could do as specifically Texas specific technician. I can't fix that so made some phone calls and this morning and got the assessment. It's one hundred bucks for them to come to your house in. It's going to be at least five hundred dollar repair what you do with an older oven. That's begins with five hundred and it was right on the fence. I have trained myself to go to my wife and ask her council. I know in my lack of self awareness I would have just blaze for to made a decision feeling heroic in all the while not even paid attention to my motives and now I know there's different motives at work one is. I want to provide for my family. The other is a financial fear. That pops up. What the HECK DO I do. And then this thing of the worlds against me like just when I got hit twice your comes a third punch to just bring this accusation of like things are blowing up right in about an oven. It's about the deeper thing but the exercise of practice to go to my wife this morning after being aware of the temptation to just muscle it into say Sherry. What do you think She's so I love the stuff. I love the summit and I would like to call this repairman. It's worth one hundred ten dollars to try so just an example of how do we grow in self awareness? And how do we risk getting feedback from the people that are closest to us? What's our impact in? How do we grow than to have an honest vulnerable relationship real time where we can actually benefit from the council of Others Day can benefit from ours? I love it I love it. It's so true I I used to. I used to have the same thing. I used to think if I if I asked my wife that it's GONNA show a sign of weakness. It's GonNa show that you know. I'm I'm not really the leader. I've I don't know what I'm doing. Nowadays unlike the easiest way that I know whether or not to move forward with something anything is to you know. It's not to go with like a yes or no question unless that's the only way you can go but very often is to go with an open ended question and and just you know an ask. What would you think about this scenario? And that creates a lot of room for a wife or anybody but particularly in in the context of marriage for that for your wife to to share her feelings and thoughts and when it does. Then I'm like okay. Put the brakes on or I'm like Oh green light. I didn't realize ahead one. Let's go. Let's roll yeah. Yeah it's fantastic. Well so with no further questions on my end Morgan. You know I'm really excited to read becoming king when it comes out. I'm super excited for this coming together for you and for all the lives. It's GONNA touch. You recently said that despite the upheaval. We've been through with the Corona Virus. And all that that that at first your impression was that this was an eleventh hour Stonewalling of everything. You've been building towards but then you thought about it and you realized no. This couldn't be a better time to put this out there and I wanted to open the floor here in our last few minutes and then see if there was anything else you wanted to add for the good of the order on that note. Your thanks Paul. I think what I would just suggest as we are living in a time where progress is at the epicenter of our reality in our age. Progress is simply more and more faster and faster. If you look at all of human history we live in an unprecedented age of increase of the rates of change is growing exponentially information exponentially transportation exponentially technology exponentially and so. It's hard to understand that it's like a fish. Being in water trying to describe the condition of their particular water. Were so close to it that it's incredibly difficult to discern but in the ancient scriptures the Prophet Isaiah. The Hebrew text says that the greatest problem in humanity is no one stops to think. No one discerns the Times. And so what? I challenge the listeners. With is what do you do with the Times that we're in? How do you discern The Times? And how do you interpret? Wyatt is that you were born at this age at this hour for such a time as this in in this world of progress. Where our attention in our affections are the last frontier and they are being divided in ever smaller pieces. We simply have so much Less capacity to focus our attention and our affection into any one place. What will you do with the increase in this leverage of power? And what will you do with this great last frontier in the battle for our attention and our affection and what? I want to suggest as I've sat at the feet of these sages an I have excavated for over two decades to recover the ancient path. It's nothing new but it is newly recovered said. There is a path in a process to become the kind of person that can be entrusted with much on behalf of the good of other people that is available to everyone. It's not simple. It's not cheap and it's not quick and it's not easy but it is life it's nothing new but it is being newly recovered by every generation. Chesterton said every generation loses the Gospel every generation is charged with its recovery. And so I feel like part of my life's work is to curate in distill. These ancient truce in provide a collection of resources. That can help men and women to recover that path in that process to become wholehearted to become the kind of people that can be entrusted with much in many embracing on lonely life to others but life to them in the process. And so yeah. That's my hope. That's what I do with a lot of my work in the world and all of those resources are becoming a King Dot Com. Awesome that that answered my last question their worship. Where should we send people to find out more becoming King Dot Com? And then there's all kinds in most of it is free. There's three blogs podcasts. In there's ways to get in the free videos free study guide digital downloads. It's all it's all there in ways to share it. We try to be as generous as we can deceive world to reach the Manny and find the few that to stand with us to lead revolution. I'll be digging into that for sure. Been through did another round through the whole become good soil video series on the APP recently. And the each time I go back I find something that You know the didn't hit me the first time but the second or the third time. Oh now now I'm tracking on what he's saying. So Morgan it's been wonderful having you on the show again and even now I've got more things cropping up in my head so we're going to have to part three at some point. All the best with the release of becoming a king may twenty six. It'll be available on Amazon. I appreciate you. I appreciate everything I've learned from you. In How generous Everyone everyone at ransom heart are and thanks so much for being a part of the show my friend Paul thank you. It's an honor to be with you on your podcast Frankly it's an honor to have the privilege to connect with your community that is really been entrusted to your care in and I pray and I hope that this message in all the ways that we offer can help really build their souls and for you folks out there. This is what we've given our life to for twenty years in their retreats and and resources but in the end our hope heart is that you would join us. Our goal is to reach the many to find the few that want to become wholehearted and wants to become the kind of people that can be entrusted with much many in this world. If you're listening to this podcast you're that kind of person. There is a path in. There's a lot of joy to be had so thanks for hosting me. 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"I take your take. On ESPN RADIO AND ESPN News Jason Fitz is off again today I'm. Jeff dickerson sitting in. We Are Presented by progressive insurance. We'll devote almost the entire show to the explosive allegations made against Washington's NFL team by the Washington Post in a report yesterday so much on that story coming up and just a moment time right now it's time for headlines here on ESPN radio and again fifteen women who previously worked for Washington's NFL organization have alleged sexual harassment and verbal abuse by former scouts and members of owner Daniel Snyder's inner circle. The Washington Post reported on Thursday. Alex Rodriguez among the bidders for a possible purchase of New York, mets called for baseball players to accept the type of revenue sharing system that is tied to a salary cap and sparked quick opposition from the Union. However, Rodriguez later stressed. He never said quote salary cap. The Milwaukee Bucks Guard. 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Snyder was asked multiple times by the post to comment about the story and every time he refused, he did release a statement. Saying quote, the behavior described in yesterday's Washington Post article has no place in our franchise society. The story has strengthened my commitment to setting a new culture in standard for our team, a process that began with the hiring of coach Ron Rivera earlier this year. Of course, this was a story that dominated I. Take this on ESPN Dominic. Foxworth and Damien woody were our host, and both of them gave their reaction to everything that has thus far unfolded in Washington. They do need to get it right, but we have no reason to believe that they will get it right. They have a kind of a long history in that franchise. Some of it is rumor, and some of it or things that actually have been reported and seem to be fact then you can go all the way back to the story as written in two thousand eighteen about the twenty thirteen trip that the cheerleaders took to Costa, Rica where they had the cheerleaders taking part in topless photo shoots, and they allowed people who paid for sweets to walk around and view the cheerleaders during that process. Reported that they stood up to create barricades so that the the suite holders couldn't see their teammates out there without their clothes on, and then at the end of that process, they also allowed the suite holders to select from the group of teachers, the ones that they wanted to escort them to a party and they did all this after taking the passport away from. From their cheerleaders that was in two, thousand, thirteen, reported in twenty, eight hundred, and then you can just go back to last year. Where there was forty employees, they left because they. They cited issues with the culture that they had there. We can go back to the mismanagement of Trent Williams injury. which I know doesn't fit into this theme, but it is also a series. Evidence of mismanagement, and then we have this come out, we come out. We have this come out yesterday, which is also incredibly embarrassing and disappointing, so I agree with Adam that punishment, taking draft picks, or finding them to me feels empty and irrelevant but I the question I have for for him, and for for anybody else. Frankly, is there conversation about Dan Snyder future in who is actually going to fix this because Dan Snyder has demonstrated that he is incapable. Incapable of fixing this problem, he may be part of the problem and Ron Rivera a football coach. Stop it if you think that Ron. Rivera is GonNa fix this? He's a football coach and we shouldn't ask him to fix. This is not a responsibility. He has no ability to do so. We have no reason to believe that he's capable of doing so so I hope Dan Snyder speaks at some point. I'm interested to hear what would have to say about it. Well Listen I. Think first of all from a macro level. This is something that women in generally in sports at the deal with a quite some time, and we're not just talking about the national football league, but sports in general so. I applaud all the women that in forward in the Washington Post article to really tell their story about what's been going on with the Washington franchise acquired some time. We've heard the stories and dominic you. You referenced him talking about the cheerleader, a cheerleader incident you know in in Costa Rica I believe the aboard behavior down there, and then obviously the story that I just dropped yesterday from the Washington Post in a toxic environment with the Washington Redskins, and you know when you think about it anytime, we anytime you talk about a toxic environment, a workplace culture that is just this horrible. Is usually because of toxic management, and and that's really been a theme offer the Washington Franchise for quite some time for years now have they been putting back on the field, but behind behind the scenes of behind the walls of the franchise has been terrible behavioral. That's been going on all levels whether it's management scouting coaching. In all levels in the one thing that you would like to see as you would like to see the face of the franchise, the number one person could no one hundred, and that would be the owner. Dan Snyder step forward by Mark Cuban. Day with the Dallas cowboys when they had a incident. Is You know alleged incidents is brought forward with the with the Dallas Mavericks? Mark Cuban came straight out and said you know what this the buck stops and starts with meet He put forward a plan to try to remedy the situation we to see anything like that from Dan Snyder as far as this topic and many other topics come on come up with the Washington Washington franchise so. Like Adam Schefter said the NFL could. Out Step in finding a franchise, a bunch of money and taking away draft picks suspend. You Know Dan, Snyder blood. Really if you have to if you have to wait on on our outside. Source of Lebanese type of changes. Duchess speaks volumes for the type of organization that you run as a whole. Damien Woody Dominic Foxworth on I. Take this is I. Take your take. Jeff dickerson pertain fits DSP and radio. ESPN. News Radio is presented by Progressive Home. Insurance your quote at Progressive Dot com today. We want to hear from you throughout the show. What type of punishment should the NFL dish out to Dan Snyder and the Washington team? You can tweet me at Dickerson, ESPN, give us a call triple eight say espn eight, eight, eight, seven to nine, thirty, seven, seventy six. I want to echo what Dominique and Damian said it takes a lot of Kurds for anyone to step out and speak about this publicly. And so I applaud the fifteen women that came forward only one emily applegate was able to speak on the record. I also WanNa mention that you know. The other fourteen women had signed a nondisclosure agreement with the club, according to The Washington, post at the time they left, and they were the post, asked the The Washington team to way that nondisclosure clause with these women could speak on the record and the Washington team said no, so that is in the Washington Post story so one though Emily applegate a former Washington. Red Skins employ did speak on the record to the Washington Post and she described that team's culture of sexual harassment. I had A. Week maybe are so that was great and I was like. Yes, this is exactly what I wanted. What was explained to me and this is going to be great and then you get your first screaming at you for something that you it's not your fault, and then somebody makes a comment to you about what you're wearing and the just snowballs from there and it really took. Most people know times a comment on my appearance. And then when you work in sports, there are literally. Thousands of people lined up to take your job. If you complain, that happens everywhere. In a lot of realms mean working in sports in any capacity is dream job for most and a lot of people just don't feel comfortable like they can come forward sometimes because they know how easily replaceable they are so jason read my good friend and writer at the undefeated covered the Washington team for a long time. He joined Dominique and Damian this morning on. I take these allegations are sad, but but not at all surprising. It's not at all surprising to me, which is. Really very sad i. mean during my time as a reporter on the team I had been tipped off allegations about. Some of these, some of these same things at the Post reported on, and you know you do your reporting. You go to people you try to find out what's going on with. People don't WanNa. And if you can't obtain the information, move forward you, don't you? You go you go with reporting takes you where the reporting took the post reporters on this piece was very troubling places, and it's really just on acceptable that this is allowed that these situations have been allowed to continue as long as they have continued, and it very disappointing that the people in leadership did not do the things they needed to. To do to stop these things. Obviously, hiring an outside firm is important. Step to take an I. Don't know specific any specifics about the law firm that they hired I'm sure they have integrity, but I think the fact remains that the Washington team will be the ones who are paying them so I wonder if there's any if you're hearing anything about the NFL, hopefully changing their position in hiring another firm. Independent truly independent firm to do this investigation because I'm not sure how easy it is to come to. Conclusions when your paycheck is coming from the same place that you're task to investigate. Dumb. Great Point I mean in this type of situation. What's most needed is complete transparency. What's most needed is a situation where no one can doubt what's going, and this is not the cast aspersions on the law firm of Higher I. Don't know that that what what the background is in terms of hey, what any connections or might be with anyone in the organization, but the reality of it is the NFL has to do its own independent investigation now the league put out a statement saying that it would wait. Until after that investigation was complete to decide what I wanted to do. In terms of potentially moving forward, but to me in the climate, we're in dom in the era that we're in with all this transformative change going on around the country posts me too movement. I do not see how the NFL can let one investigation stand that the team is paying for. A I know in the Washington. Post article I talked about the protocols or you know how these these different instances. We're being reported and he talked about a lack of HR department with the Washington redskins. Only one person was considered hr or the entire building I. Mean You talk about that? Have you heard any any specifics about how these? These alleged incidents incidents being reported within the building. A listen my man when when when you cover the when you cover this organization, you understand that things happen there that don't necessarily happen about the NFL. And this was something that we heard about for years about essentially as mom and pop mentality, not hiring to have departments fully staff, not paying people you know at at wages. We okay that you're going to retain top talent, so it's not at all surprising when I read that in the store. Okay well. Yeah, because that's. That's the way they do things there. You can't really talk about having a good corporate culture when you have that many employees pointing to to one HR person, and that person is simply overwhelm, and then on top of it, my man, you have a situation where the people who have problems don't feel the climate exists in which they can truly voice. What's going on I mean the only thing you're doing is continuing the cycle of a cycle that needs to be broken. We saw we saw Fedex and seminar. Partners apply enough pressure and internal people apply enough pressure that they were forced to change their name. I'm wondering if you're hearing any of that similar pressure starting to mount for Daniel Snyder future given the fact that this is not just one isolated incident. Obviously Daniel Snyder was not. Implicated in any of these accusations specifically, but he led this organization, and as we talked about in the first segment. He also was the head of this organization when they had that. Sexual harassment issue with the cheerleaders and the Costa Rica trip, and he was head organization when forty of his employees decided to to leave a year ago because they cited culture issues, so I would imagine that some of the sponsors and internal people might be having these conversations, and that's something that you've heard. Well the I've heard a lot of conversations are still ongoing obviously around the site story. Doubt, but you you. You pointed to something go in the peace. It made it clear that these allegations did not clutch Daniel Snyder and we saw the situation happen. The character with the Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson when the League launched investigation, but Jerry Richardson was actually named in wrong right wing. That's a key difference here now. Having said that dumb. The reality of it is washing. WASHINGTON NFL franchise. Spans would absolutely love to have new ownership, but we'll new ownership be put in place I. Highly doubt that. That's a great question Jason Read The undefeated on with Dominique and Damian this morning on I take this is I. Take Your take on Jeff. dickerson for Jason. Fitz radio ESPN news. Russell on the ESPN APP. SIRIUSXM channel eighty I've covered the NFL for Jesus over fifteen years now for ESPN so I can tell you flat out that. There are good organizations and there are bad organizations, and it's not hard. To look around the NFL in find the bad organizations, they're the ones that consistently find themselves. Controversies consistently don't win. Consistently fire. Their coaches fired. Their general managers churn out the roster year after year after year. You cannot be successful in the national football, League with poor ownership I'm sorry. It's impossible now. There are varying degrees of poor ownership. Not everyone is rock bottom, but just look around. Look at the NFL. Look at the teams that consistently win. Look at their owners. They're not perfect. But they run their operation the right way they might have their indiscretions off the field away from the game, but look at how they run their organizations from top to bottom. They win every year. It's a winning culture now look at the teams that struggle almost every year to make the playoffs, and there are several of them in football. What they all have in common. I think it's very obvious for the most part. It's week ownership at the top. It's people not having control, not hiring the right people not empowering the right people allowing things to happen cutting corners sweeping stuff under the rug. I've seen it every day for fifteen years now I think the allegations against Washington are absolutely horrific, and you would hope in any workplace. In any workplace, this stuff would not happen. However, we would all be naive to think that's not happening. A lot in America, but when you have an owner that again consistently makes news for the wrong reasons. Fires head coaches left and right. Has. A terrible stadium terrible fan experience. They always lose. It's an undisciplined culture. Things like this happen. Now I hurt again Dominique Foxworth. Senate, I take this morning and it was a good point you know Ron. Rivera should not be looked to. To be the person to solve all these issues that is correct that is in ownership problem, first and foremost, and we'll talk about that a lot coming up throughout the show again. What type of punishment should the dish out to dance Snyder and the Washington team in general tweet me at Dickerson ESPN. Give us a call. Triple eight say ESPN Eight, eight, seven to nine, thirty, seven, seventy, six. I think Ron Rivera those actually a really good higher. For for Washington I I was pleased for them. For their players for their fan base when they hired Ron. I covered Ron and Chicago for many years. When he was the bears offensive coordinator, I was very successful and Carolina had to deal with some similar stuff. Jerry Richardson. But not! In a way where you know I think he would have to be as as a upfront centers. He is going to be now for Washington. But? You know. He was successful. Head Coaching Carolina. Ron was in a good system in Chicago worked for Andy Reid in Philadelphia with the chargers as an inside linebackers coach when they were very successful. I I think I think Ron Rivera is a respectful person. I think he's a person that will set a better culture in the locker room on the football side of things. But clearly, this is a problem that touches every aspect of the Washington football club from on the field to the front office to the business side to the marketing side, and again to reiterate. The Washington Post did not find any direct accusations against Daniel. Snyder, but when you are the owner of a team, the buck stops with you. You are responsible. There is no way you can be a successful owner of a business. Where there is rampant sexual harassment. In this of stuff, verbal abuse happening in Your Business and you not be aware of either you were aware of it, and you chose to do nothing about it, or which which honestly is terrible, but even worse is. Maybe you didn't know about it, but you should know about it. You're in charge. You're the owner. You have a responsibility to all your employees to make them feel safe when they go to work to feel protected in their workplace. And by not knowing. Well that is an even bigger indictment because you shouldn't be in charge of anything, if stuff like this happens in your franchise, and you claim not to know about it so a ton more on this story coming up during the show. It's been quite the past few weeks in DC for Snyder. What are the chances? He eventually sells the team. That's coming up. Hello, this is your apartment. I need some favors from you. Your cat keeps rubbing against the kitchen island and I can't return the favor. Can you give extra pets for me after that? Could you bundle your renters car insurance with Geico? We could save money and it's easy to do online and one last thing. Could you leave the TV on during the day? I need to catch up on my soaps. For Bundling made easy. 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Of course, the top story in all sports right now has to do with the Washington NFL team after the Washington Post reported on Thursday that the fifteen former employees of the franchise have come forward, and accused the franchise of sexual harassment and verbal abuse by scouts and members of Daniel. Snyder, the. The owner his inner circle. I'll less. Carpenter covers Washington's football team for the Washington Post. He joins me now on the Shell Pennzoil performance line less. Thank you so much. Give me some time I know it's very a busy day for you and everyone at your paper. What happens next less I mean? It was very brave. Women come forward and reveal what has been happening allegedly happening with the franchise for for many many years. What's going to be the next step here as we move forward in this story cycle? Well you know that's that's kind of a broad question. given everything that's going on this team, right? He, can I mean a team has gone ahead and hired is a lawyer from a very big firm here. She actually represented several people in different situations like this in Washington to do a thorough review, the organizations kind of behavior how it's oversaw these allegations what was done what wasn't done and that will kind of give report? The team says it. That'll be kind of something that will use going forward to League has also said that it would like to see this report completed before it decides anything about the team but I. I think everyone's GonNa be focused on report now for the next few weeks. In terms of this issue where the rescuers right now and again we probably can't even say that name anymore. there are so many other issues that are going on that. This is just one of many fires. How culpable do you think Dan Snyder should be in all of this less. Well we near the owner of the team, especially one that wants to have such firm control everything that goes on I everything is going to go back to him The biggest thing that continues to be said about this franchise I've lived in Washington for about fifteen years off and on I've been around that team now. I've I've been around every day for the last couple of years over the years the thing I. always heard regardless of who was coaching, and who is charged terms of team president, or whatever always was the culture here? The culture here the culture the culture is wrong. There's something wrong with culture. Obviously, this story speaks to an issue of culture. There's a culture that allows this to exist Iran remember. It's. certainly on the football team. He's been able to tack that a little bit for the little. They've bet any in the building, but ultimately especially without a team president, a place right now and an or an executive that kind of between Dan night or an and Rivera denied, or the other people business operation Yeah, I think a lot goes back to the owner because he's such a such a large figure. Less Carpenter from the Washington Post, joining me on I take your take Jeff Dickerson for Jason. FITZ ESPN radio. ESPN news, I covered Ron Rivera for a lot of years in Chicago and I think he's. A good person for the football culture, but I mean I mean ultimately. How much do you think he can do I mean how much of an impact can football coach have given that the owner? Is Dan Snyder and like you said he's someone that seems wants to exert full control over the team at all times. It's a good question. I looked into a little bit of his time, Carolina. I feel like the culture. He brought to the panthers as a head. Coach seeks through the rest of the organization, and that was good, but again you had several other. Executives there that that could also help with that, and ultimately to this is a this is an organization where the owner wound up losing team over a situation similar to this Washington. so. Culture can only go so far with the football coach and I I the coach in any professional sports team He's at the being asked to do a lot here because he has been involved in the name issue, we haven't even talked about. He's been involved in the You know in this issue, a little bit I think in response You know there's probably other kind of crises going on right now that he's been kinda brought into and he. He was here to you know to coach the other coaches that have that kind of power with their franchises they ability check or read that we're supposed to be the models for this. You know those guys all have buffers between himself and ownership, and then sells it and arrested the rest of the team so it'll be interesting. They're going to have to figure that out of on the fly a power. They going to rebuild the culture in this franchise. Without the structure of maybe necessarily to do so at least as it's right now. Can you give us an idea last? I mean just. I have to imagine that. The the football fan in DC right now has to be just fed up i. mean what's the tally like right now for fan of the team? Coming off everything that's happened. We're their frustration level at. Many, fold right now, I, you know anyone that's Kinda familiar with what Washington it used to be a few years back. You know decade back to back, I mean. This team the town I mean you. Washington was a tunnel for the Washington football team that was it. Everything else was secondary, and a lot of people have moved to the city in the last fifteen years, a lot of people come from other places, and it started families here and therefore kind of adopted the nationals national came in, and if obviously visit to some success, the capital reverence to good success, people have. Have adopted those teams and the and the Washington. Football team is all I mean a stock the same market. It was a few years back in the day. The fan base is not the same, so there's that first of all, and secondly yes, fans are very upset. I think you probably saw Internet speculation about the story. You know just with the beyond any kind of. Reasonable imagination of of what the story would be about, I think solely because fans are so frustrated. They WANNA bombshell that might get dance neither relived his owner I? I think that there is an enormous frustration with him in this town and I'm sure he must understand that That was part of what the Rivera Higher I think about but Yeah I think there's an enormous frustration with Snyder and with the way the franchise has been run I. I also worried to a point I mean what these women have said in the courage it took to to come forward and say these things make these allegations may not. You may not necessarily hit people as hard as it probably should. Because kind of dumb to to what's been going on with this franchise less carpenter with us and I take your take. ESPN radio and ESPN news I mean. Do you think there's any likelihood last that Snyder is eventually forced to the team? I don't think over this, I 'cause none of the allegations about him. Directly with more about the culture and the way the operated I where I think to keep the eye on the fact that forty percent of his ownership, the three made minority owners have all. Enlisted affirm to to try to sell their shares at the team interactivity selling their shares team it. That is I think the biggest threat that he faces right now That's that's a lot of money that you have to figure out how you're going to find the best or whatnot. And I think the sign that everyone should have that at least. You know it's not a hundred percent. Ironclad is going on his team I'm not saying he's knocking on this team. There's excellent chance still well. I'm just saying it's not one hundred percent anymore, and the reason of that is because of this The fact that is three main partners are now. Walking so you know that's in kind of in the name and all these other things that are going on that seems to be the bigger overriding issue. Here less. Thank you very much for your time. Have a great weekend, okay? All right you too less carpenter from the Washington Post. He covers the Washington football team joining us on the Shell Pennzoil performance line triple eight say ESPN is our phone number eight, eight, eight, seven to nine, thirty, seven, seventy six. What type of punishment should the League dish out to Daniel? Snyder The Washington football team. You can also tweet me throughout the show at Dickerson. ESPN, let's try James Calling from Dayton James. What should happen to Dan Snyder and Washington because of this report? What do you think? Well I think nothing will happen to Dan Snyder. Guests just said, but I think there's going to be some organizational changes, but I think jeff it goes back to your original point. regarding you know organizations that are lose year after year. That are having issues like this. It really does come from the top and you know I I mentioned to your screener. It's like you look at. At the Cincinnati Bengals and the market that I live in Paul Brown went super bowls one. AFC Championships One playoff Games won division titles? Is Son Mike? Brown thinks that in does all the things that you mentioned your list. Not Empowering People taking you know cutting corners short, not running the business the right way everything you described as you were saying it. I saw on the Cincinnati Bengals. Predate James. It's not hard now. The bengals to Mike Brown's credit a little bit now. When he finally found a coach in Marvin, Lewis steady stuck with. They want a lot of games. They went to the playoffs. They were a perennial playoff team. Now they couldn't get over the Hump They couldn't win playoff games, and certainly from the scouting standpoint in that staffing people and having enough bodies in the building and the resources. Yes, in the whole thing about he got on your contract when NFL, teams never honor contracts. He's made his mistakes, but yeah again. It's not hard. Ownership is directly reflected on wins and losses. I'm sorry I mean you could still be a great owner in that win. Super Bowls every year, but good owners know how to hire the right people that put the right type of culture in place where people feel good about coming to work every day. They feel good about doing their jobs. They do their jobs well. They perform they succeed. They're rewarding. They feel like they're part of a team. The franchises that struggle are the ones that there is constant turnover questionable people in charge. Bad decisions bad mistakes, controversy indiscretions. You can't win in the NFL without good ownership. You might win one year out of five or six or seven. You might have that one good year pop up, but consistently you have to have good ownership to win in the NFL. It is proven. So. What type of punishment should the NFL dish out to Daniel Snyder and the Washington team plus Dan Steiner finally released a statement or react to what he said coming up next. 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It gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence for a wear test using at five W. Thirty. You can tweet me throughout the show at Dickerson, ESPN, give us a call. Triple eight say ESPN Eight, eight, eight, seven to nine, thirty, seven, seventy six. What should the punishment be for the NFL in light of the Washington Post reporting that fifteen former Washington nfl football team employees have accused. Accused the Organization of sexual harassment verbal abuse from two thousand six to two thousand, nineteen triple eight. SAY ESPN again. You can tweet me at Dickerson. ESPN Daniel. Snyder, did release a statement to behavior described in yesterday's Washington Post. Article has no place in our franchise society. The story has strengthened my commitment to setting a new culture and standard for our team. A process that began with hiring Ron Rivera earlier this year. This was Damian Foxworth and Damien way this morning on i. take giving their reaction to Daniel Steiner statement. Well, listen just worse for me right now you know you in. A press release you hear him. Talk about beefing up You know hr well. Where was this? When you know you had an incident? In two thousand eighteen with the cheerleaders you would have thought after that bombshell dropped that you know h would have been beefed up. They would have been a thorough investigation. Into the accident in Costa Rica, and within the watching the redskins organization, and then you have. This incident dropped so for me, you know. Yes, you know I'm glad to hear from dance neider because we've seen. We've heard from everyone else, but it's just empty words unless I see you know some substance behind the words that he's thrown out here in his press release. And it's something so It's a start, but I think Damon you brought up. Mark Cuban and how he reacted of few when when the things hit. The Mavericks and important thing was mark. Cuban opened himself up to questions and I know. Mark, Cuban is the more public figure Dan Snyder and seeks the spotlight, so maybe that opportunity is a little different, but. But I think when you are the head of an organization like this. When you have a crisis like this uncovered, you have to open yourself up to questions, so a statement is is a step, but I feel like what we need from him is him to stand in front of reporters or one reporter. Create an opportunity where we can ask him the hard. Hard questions and not just sin Ron Rivera out there to answer them and not just type up a press release that says all the right things and try to move on. You need to answer these questions. He didn't make himself available. In the wake of the name change. I still think that's important. Because there are questions he needs to answer for for that. That also but he he needs to answer to some questions and this incident also so maybe he needs to carve out a full day and just sit there and go through the media circuit and be honest and forthright I. Think will go a long way for him. Gaining some credibility with the fans and DC and the fans of the NFL. Yeah statements just a bunch of words. Quite frankly I take your take Jeff Dickerson for Jason Fitz. It's ESPN NEWS ESPN radio. Mean what he should've done. Dan Snyder is responded to the report been interviewed by The Washington Post and also how about this about released the other fourteen women former employees one spoke on the record. She was very brave in doing so, but the other fourteen could not. Speak on the record or lend their name because they signed a nondisclosure agreement with the club when they left Washington. How about released those women from the nondisclosure? So they could actually tell their story and say you know what really happened in their mind, you know if you really want to set the culture, really want to change things. How about having all the facts at your disposal? Maybe Dan standards to hear some more personal stories about his former employees, and how they feel like they were treated by scouts by his circle. Statements are just statements. They mean nothing. The accomplish very little, and is anyone out there really believed that Daniel Snyder that his commitment to setting a new culture and standard for our team is the way to go He's had a long time as an owner to set a new culture, a standard for the team and he has failed to do so repeatedly. So what he's the one that's GonNa. Fix the problems. Does anyone have faith that Daniel Snyder is able and qualified. To fix the problems that are plaguing the Washington football team unless you maybe work for him or part of his family I would find very few people out there that think that he is qualified or is the right person to lead this franchise is. In a new direction? I don't see it and he's had a lot of time to prove himself, and he just hasn't done it over and over and over again coming up. What type of punishment should the NFL dish out the Snyder and Washington team? We discuss all that straight ahead. Jason Fitz is off today. I'm Jeff Dickerson, sitting and its first. Take your take.

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S2E12: The Desired Outcome

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But now we shift to the defense's case they have to not only prove motive but also proved that Hemi was mentally ill at the time of the murder that he didn't know right from wrong. We begin with the defense, and with a Livia Newton, John Barry, white during the pretrial hearing, heavies lawyers present their case, they say Hemi was experiencing. Delusions the media jumped on the idea that Hemi had delusions involving Newton John and white because of this media frenzy at the actual hearing, the defense wants, detailed descriptions of the visions, barred from questioning, but the prosecution objected and the judge sided with the state. The evidence would be coming in starting with his illness. As Hemmings attorneys laid out their case. They're I push was to show that his mental illness, was no laughing matter to do this. They called Monique match Hemmings younger sister to tell the jury of growing up with a father who survived the Nazi death camps, only bring some of the horrors home during cross examination DA, Robert James sought to show that, while Hemi may have suffered trauma in childhood, it didn't translate to the sort of mental illness, Hemi now claimed next, the defense called, Dr Julie ran Dorney, the psychiatrist who described her forensic evaluation of Hemi, along with Dr Peter Thomas. She noted that Hemi never spoke of seeing angels, or demons, but did see one in the ink blot test administered by Dr Thomas who also testified the tests also showed disorder paranoia weird magical thinking after Dorney recalled how she recommended further. The exploration of confusion possible. Psychosis. Mood, disorder paranoia disorder the expert who did that follow up doctor Adriana. Flora's took the stand to deliver testimony that served as the heart of the defense case. She testified that Newman was not criminally responsible for the death of rusty Snyder men and that at the time of the shooting of Snyder men Newman did not have the mental capacity to distinguish between. Right. And wrong in relation to the shooting that he had a disorder a mental illness called bipolar. One disorder with psychosis. She said, adding, he was manic in that phase of the bipolar disorder, and he was experiencing psychosis. Specifically, he was experiencing some delusions giving the jury a tutorial Florez sought to dispel, some of the myths about BI polar disorder telling them the swings from depression to manic behavior, don't necessarily happen overnight, the order to kill Hemi, told her came from the deal. Even at the dinner party and that the angel returned a month later in the car all the while. Dr flora said Andrea was pushing and pulling him one moment expressing desire, the next pledging herself to rusty. It's very clear that they were having an affair. Dr Flora's said, but added it's the nature of the relationship they were having that he was delusional about Hemi believed that his Andrea special soul to soul connection meant they were destined to be together forever. What Andrea thought could only be gleaned from her hot and cold emails. She refused to be examined by Flora's. Andrea fed into him as delusions manipulating him into believing, what she believed and thinking what she thought. Under cross examination, Dr Florez acknowledged, I cannot say, with one hundred percents certainty that what was in my report is accurate and my opinion is correct. But I believe both are correct based on my experience and testing. I do not believe I have evidence that is consistent with Hemi lying. On the afternoon of Thursday, March eighth, Hemi. Declines to take the stand to testify in his own defense, it was almost four PM, but judge Adams once again, told lawyers to call another witness whose testimony would spill into the next day. The next person to testify was Pamela Crawford. You'll remember Pamela, as the psychiatrists, the prosecution hired to examine Hammy, her sessions were videotaped, unlike the sessions would be other psychotherapists she's highly qualified. But you'll remember that at the time of the trial, she was not currently board certified having allowed her certification two laps three years earlier. She was also quite expensive and charged sixty thousand dollars for her work. The defense tries to prevent her from testifying before psychiatrists, Pamela Crawford was to testify before the jury, she was grilled in a hearing by the defense heavies lawyers argued that she didn't have the credentials to be considered an expert, but judge Adams allowed her testimony Crawford, returned the next morning Friday, March ninth and told the jury that Hemi easily could be faking his mental illness. Somebody of his intelligence could Bligh therapy. Sts and manipulate the tests before his arrest Hemi showed that he could cope and thrive. Particularly at work with no mental impairment, thinking clearly, planning and following through on those plans. The prosecution went to the videotape playing snippets of Hemi talking about seeing a demon who sounded like Barry, white, and an angel that looked like a Libyan Newton John the testimony, the defense had sought to bar. The clips showed that, while these details emerged in his interview with Crawford. It was Hemi not the psychiatrist who came up with the names. They also showed the clip of Hemi saying that the first time he ever said he was driven to kill by visions was when he was in jail talking to his attorney while trying to come up with a defense, the most chilling portions of the interviews came when Hemi explained his preparations to kill rusty by had gotten my marching orders. And this was just another one of the things that I needed to do Hemi was seen telling crop. For what did you have to do to plan that she asked in their jail interview initially like any project? The first thing that you do is say, what is the desired outcome? And, you know, the desired outcome is what I've been told, and that is rusty needed to die. He said, leaving the only question of how it would be done stab him shooting. So you go through different concepts. His project review. He said led him to shooting as the best option. It would be he said the cleanest way. So you got the gun asked Crawford. The first thing I did. I took a class on gun safety. I don't want to hurt anybody was ham as response. Hemi then led Crawford through his first attempt on rusty's life on November, tenth twenty ten what turned out to be addressed rehearsal, down to the disguise, and use of a rental car, I put on a disguise, and there was a road a street parallel to their street with a pedestrian walkway through the woods he said. So I had gone to their house at, like five AM and the reason why I was in disguise was because in case something went wrong rusty wouldn't recognize me. And Andrea wouldn't find out anyway, Hemi continued I parked in the street and walked over to their house at five am maybe four thirty. Am it was really early? I crawled through the neighbors, and made my way very quietly to the side of the house. I just laid there and waited I believed rusty was going to take a walk and come back to the house. That was the plan. I was just going to sit there and wait until rusty came back. I just laid by the side of the house, where the air conditioner gas water is their houses on a hill. So by laying down. People walking by the street wouldn't see me ahead, a wig, a mustache, I had jeans shirt and a coat because it was pretty cold. So the idea was, I would see rusty drive away. I, I made sure Andrea left with Sophia once that happened, the idea would be to have rusty drive away. And when he comes back as the garage opens, I would make my way into the garage. And then shoot him. The plan was foiled by a gas leak, which Hemi hadn't caused a pure coincidence, that spared rusty's life for eight days. He smelled the gas. So he came to the side of the house, Hemi said he saw me laying there. I think he thought I was a homeless person. He said something I mumbled something back. He went back to get in and started to drive away. I got up and ran away and back to my car, went through the pathway and drove away the next week. I got a beard because he had already seen me with the mustache. So I got a different wig. I said, I'll just follow him to the school, and make sure that he drops Ian off at the school. And that's it and do it. They're asked Crawford. Yeah. Could you get away with that? She asked. Yeah. Once I put things in motion they happen. That's the way I work once the ideas are fostered, and I put all the elements in place. I can almost oversee it to make sure everything is taking place and intervene if a half to, but I'm a great great executioner wants. A plan is in place. It's going to happen. After the tapes were played. Crawford was cross examined, but there was nothing. The defense could do on cross examination to mitigate the power of the videotape and Hemmings methodical and seemingly clear-headed account of how he carried out his plans to kill rusty. Shortly before noon. The jury was sent home and told that closing arguments would begin the next day. We'll take a look at those closing arguments after the break. This episode is supported by the highly anticipated thriller, the escape room by Megan golden, then sent gills, Sylvia, and Sam are Wall Street hot shots at the top of their game. They've mastered, the art of the deal and celebrate their success in style. 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It's time for the closing arguments to begin on Tuesday, March thirteenth, twenty twelve Robert Rubin stood before the jury and talked about what his client had done to the family of rusty Snyder men. They lost their son, brother father. He said we have to prove insanity. Ruben continued the courtroom filled with family and friends of both sides, including Hemmings mother who sat behind him in the audience section. Andrea was still barred from the courtroom, but rusty's brother and father were there Rubin, said the legal threshold for proving insanity was a preponderance of evidence. More this than that it was not. He said the far more rigorous standard of beyond a reasonable doubt faced by the prosecution to prove the murder charge. Ruben laid out the options that the judge would later enumerate not guilty. Not guilty by reason of insanity. Guilty and guilty. But mentally ill that last option held the power of a conviction. And he urged the jury to reject that as a compromise guilty. But mentally ill is guilty. Rubin said. Quick note here since I know it might be confusing. There are four options we know about guilty and not guilty. Not guilty by reason of insanity would be a type of exoneration for him. He, he wouldn't be charged for the crime, but he might be sent to a psychiatric institution guilty but mentally ill is similar except Hemi would be charged with a crime instead of going to jail, he would be sentenced to time in an institution. Back to closing statements by defense lawyer Reuben? He then launched a broadside against the prosecution's expert, Dr Crawford, tarring, her as overpaid and under qualified, and lumping her in with Andrea Schneiderman, two people got on that stand and lied to you in your face. He said one got two million dollars. The other got sixty thousand Andrea Schneiderman and the life insurance policy, and Dr Crawford and her consulting fee. These were the twin villains in the case Rubin argued. Rubens co-counsel, Doug Peters spoke. And when he did it was with a fury, he branded Andrea as an adulterer tease, calculator liar and master manipulator Andrea. He said, intuited everything the mental health professionals would later diagnose Andrea, new, Hemi was losing his mind. Peter said so FIA and ESPN's daddy's blood is on the hands of Andrea Schneiderman. She is the person. The one person who knew that Hemi was spinning out of control. She knew rusty had been shot, because she had primed the pump planted the seed stoke the fire. She knew that she was with someone who was sick. In the end, Peter said this case is about one bad one. Really bad woman. Andrea Snyder, men, the gun was in Hemmings hand, but the trigger, I suggest was pulled by Andrea Schneiderman. District Attorney Robert James had the final word after a courtroom break, Hemi returned to his seat in apparent good spirits smiling to his mother, but as James launched into what would be an impassioned summation the DA insisted that his grinning face could not be trusted. He's not insane. He's just evil. Said james. He's not crazy. But he's a co conspirator Andrea being the other party. Although not charged. Again. Another instance of this trial being centered around Andrea taking the jury through the law as the defense had James ticked off the various elements of each charged defense and argued that the state had proved them the biggest was malice aforethought, the centerpiece of murder charges everywhere in the country, Hemi planned it like a work project, James said the other legal element. He said, was Hemmings affirmative defense of insanity defense that James mocked. I can go back three decades to quote flip Wilson. The devil made me do it. The angels made me do it. He said, but under the law with an affirmative defense, the prosecution need only prove that he committed the crime since the law gives a presumption of sanity something, the defense did not bring up. He noted we do not have the burden of proving he was not insane. We do not have to prove that he is saying, we don't have that burden. We have to prove nothing it was up to the defense to prove insanity. And here they failed, he argued just because Hemi had a traumatic childhood or possibly suffered BI polar disorder. Didn't mean he failed to know the difference between. Right and wrong when he guns down rusty. James wrapped up his argument by displaying, two photos, one of rusty alive and happy, the other of him bloodied and near death after the shooting on November. Eighteenth twenty ten the defendant, Hemi Newman did this. He said this twisted little man, he did this to rusty Snyder men, and they had the temerity and gall to call him a good, man. Good men. Don't sleep with other men's wives. Good men, don't do what he did. At one forty five on March. Fifteenth, a message went to the judge. The jury had reached a verdict. It took about an hour to get everybody into the courtroom Hemmings mother arrived, so too did rusty's parents. Donald and Maryland. Snyder men and brother Stephen with his wife, Lisa. Andrea was not there. Barred by the court at about two twenty pm the lawyers took their seats, and Hemi was brought in by the bailiff judge Adams ordered that the jurors be brought in solemn and grim faced. They took their seats, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I have been informed by the deputy that you have reached a verdict said, judge Adams wood, the foreperson, please stand a woman stood in the jury box Madam foreperson. Have you in the others reached a verdict? Yes, she said in a clear voice. Would you start at the top of the form and read it in its entirety? He said the jury had to. Counts to consider murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. The forewoman began reading in a strong voice. In the superior court of DeKalb county state of Georgia state of Georgia versus Hemi Newman defendant, Hemi sat at the defense table, showing no emotion as always in a navy blue sweater over a light blue shirt. We the jury find the defendant as to count one, the forewoman paused her voice, faltering guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but mentally ill, Hemi. Pursed his lips took his eyes away from the forewoman and stared down at the table. Then slowly lifted his head up with his eyes closed rusty's father, buried, his head in his hand and seemed to cry. His brother appeared, stunned Emmys, mother looked down count to continued the forewoman of the use of gun charge. We the jury find the defendant as to count two guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Hemi stared back toward the jury, no expression. Now, then he turned forward and closed his eyes and seemed to be talking. To himself as if saying a prayer his defense attorney, Robert Rubin grabbed his shoulder to reassure him. The jury was dismissed their work done. The judge allowed a brief break wasting, no time he moved on to sentencing. This was the time for family members on both sides to speak out pleading for condemnation or mercy making the hearing as much about catharsis as legal argument. The first family member to speak was rusty's, brother, Stephen. With emotion welling in his voice Stevens said he had no right to do this. He had no right to anything. My brother had built he had no right to take rusty from us. Especially Sophia, an Ian every single day of our lives. There will be a hole in our hearts and in our lives, where rusty should be. All the court could do is, make sure Hemi is confined to prison for the remainder of his days forced to confront the hurt and devastation, he has caused to so many Stephen said, we ask you to show him the same mercy. He showed rusty and punish him in the only appropriate manner life without the possibility of parole. The last to speak was Hemi. Pay attention to how Hemi distances himself from this terrible tragedy with what he says, next he never wants admits that he was the one to cause the tragedy. And this is something that I think the judge picks up on when he finally does sentence, Hemi your honor. He began his voice full of resignation. I prepared this statement several weeks ago to express my sense of loss for the death of rusty Snyder men. I do not think that anyone feels that anybody one here, everybody lost I hadn't written this down. But a lot of what Mr. Snider Mun said about rusty is true, it is, he was a good man with so much ahead of him. And I'm so so, so sorry for their loss. This is a terrible tragedy. He continued first of all, for so FIA, and Ian, the Snyder men's rusty's dad, his mom, brother Andrea should not had bury him. They should not have had undergo the pain, the anguish the sorrow the. Loss. And as Mr. Schneiderman just stated it goes on, and it will go on forever, the greenberg's Andrea parents, suffered the loss of a beloved son in law. It is also a tragedy for three other children. For Lee, Tom and Addy. He said, mentioning his son and daughters, and countless, family and friends who saw a person they loved admired and respected who saw him arrested and shamed charged now. And convicted I am so so, so sorry I can't say it enough. I can't say enough to all of you, two precious children. All five of them to the Snyder means to the greenberg's, my parents, the family, friends and community at large. I am sorry from the deepest part of me your honor. That's all I have. He took a seat. The judge who had spent so much of the trial, nudging and prodding and speeding, the proceedings along handed down a sentence in rapid fire fashion. Mr Newman, would you stand with your lawyers? Please judge Adams, drew a breath and then continued with barely a pause. Mr Newman earlier this afternoon. A jury returned verdict as to count one guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but mentally ill, which was the murder count as to count two, they also find you guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, as to possession of a firearm, in commission of a crime, as a result of the finding of the jury and based upon all the facts and circumstances. I've heard today I'm going to sentence you to prison for life without parole as to count two I'm going to sentence you to five years in prison to run consecutively to count one. A guard handcuffed Hemi behind his back. The metallic click could be heard throughout the courtroom, Hemi. Glanced at his mother, as he was led away. Hemi is tried sentenced an ultimately taken away the case should be over this story should be over. But as with all suspenseful crime stories this one isn't complete without a twist at the end. And that twist is Andrea. Next time we look at what happened to Andrea and why Hemi trial became her trial. Keep listening for more on case closed. Case closed is a production of MacMillan podcasts this season is based on the book crazy for you by Michael fleekerman. Get the book or audio book using the link in our show notes. The show is produced by decades, LS Tina with help from Sarah grill, and Elissa Martino. We also wanna thank Michael fleekerman. Can't wait to hear what really happened to rusty. Snyder men here, all of this season right now on Stitcher premium go to Stitcher, premium dot com slash case closed and use code closed to start your free trial. I'm Charlie Spicer. Thanks so much for listening.

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S2E6: The Press Conference

Case Closed

20:23 min | 1 year ago

S2E6: The Press Conference

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My name is Charlie Spicer, and I'm your true crime guide through this case will be starting with the police press conference, and then shift into a search for one key piece of evidence that up until this point has been missing keep listening to find out what that piece of evidence is for now, we begin with DeKalb county District Attorney, Robert James and the press conference James took office three days before rusty was murdered one of James's. First orders of business is what the Dunwoody Cryer, a local newspaper calls an information blackout. No one outside of the inner circle in the police department has any information in James words, this controls the integrity of the investigation. The public, however has a different take any public event with upper police staff becomes an opportunity for reporters and spectators. Emails flood the inboxes of police and politicians. Denny short-haul councilman for Dunwoody. Got so many emails he had to release a statement reminding the public that a murder investigation was not a public affair of ent- that makes it that much more significant when on February eighth James calls a press conference. James was front and center before the TV cameras with the first official statement and weeks. Since Mr. Snyder's death in November of last year, the Dunwoody police, and my investigators have worked tirelessly to bring Justice to the loved ones of Mr. Russell, Snyder men and the citizens of DeKalb county. He said today at nine AM the DeKalb county. Grand jury returned to count indictment of Hemi Newman. The indictment is currently being filed with DeKalb county clerk of superior court. Newman was indicted by the grand jury for one count of malice murder and one count of possession of a firearm during commission of a felony to the public. This is a shocking turn not only is Hemi a surprise suspect. But the tactics for his indictment are likewise. Unexpected indictment by grand jury is not uncommon for those unaware. A grand jury is a group of individuals who in secret sessions decide whether there is probable cause that a crime occurred. The case would be presented and this group instead of a judge would decide if they could proceed. Lead everyone from the press to him his own legal team expected a preliminary hearing a hearing that would be open to the public. This type of proceeding would have answered some of the more pressing questions of motive and evidence. But instead more secrecy. Now, we pick up with Hemi his mother funds to lawyers for him through a family friend, Robert Rubin and Doug Peters have a practice. Not far from Dunwoody. We start with their first encounter with Hemi. In January, the two attorneys we'd into a cubicle in the visitor area at DeKalb county jail and through plexiglas spoke with Hemi Newman. In every case when you meet someone whose life is in jeopardy, and they're looking for someone to put their trust in to save their life. You hope to build a reporter Rubin said later we had an immediate report with Hemi Newman. It was more of a personal connection. He felt comfortable talking to us. We felt good about him. We liked him. He was a very likable guy. When we first sat in that attorneys booth. The first time we heard him give us his account of what had happened on ever forget that we both knew Bob. And I that things were not adding up said Peters, we felt he was out of touch with reality. In terms of what he described to us about the offense, Bob, and I are not psychiatrists or psychologists. But from the first time we met him. It was not rational how he described it. They needed more information. With little known to the public about Hemi or his alleged motivation the lawyers sought to fill in the gaps. The day of the grand jury indictment. Brought another player in the case to the forefront since Hemmings arrest his wife REO and Newman had stayed out of the public eye all attention focused on Andrea now for the first time her side of the story would filter out Ariella to had hired an attorney Esther panic. A Miami raised Magna cum laude graduate from the university of Miami's law school with a local civil and criminal practice comfortable in front of the microphones quick with sound bites and fond of colorful camera. Friendly attire panic would become a constant presence throughout the Snyder men case and a force to be reckoned with for both the prosecution and the defense attorneys. Andrea Snyder men still was not talking to the media. But her lawyer did release a statement. The murder of my husband. Rusty Snyder men has been devastating to me in our families. I was thankful and relieved when police made an arrest, but I was shocked to learn that the man charged with the murder was my former boss a person who we thought was a friend of our family. I have been assured by the DeKalb county district attorney's office that Mr Newman is rusty's killer, and that they will do everything in their power to bring him to Justice by family, and I are cooperating in any way we can to assist them in their efforts. We're going to shift now from indictment to evidence the murder weapon is a significant source of frustration for the police what kind of gun was used where did the gun come from? And most importantly would find in the gun definitively prove Emmys guilt, we start with a nondescript building along busy highway a shooting club, the signs has Parnell's firearm and range Hemi placed a call to this gun range on Halloween in two thousand ten the police know this from subpoenas of hundreds of pages of cellphone records and from data stored on his laptop, and I Pat as the author sums up so well in crazy for you detective who initially thought they were looking for a savvy master criminal instead found in Hammy a man who did virtually nothing to cover his tracks. Let's pick up here. Parnell's firearms and range in quaint. Woodstock. Georgia sells a full array of pistols, long, guns, amunition, scopes, reloading supplies, all sorts of gun accessories. Once you buy a weapon, you can shoot it right away without having to leave the grounds at the indoor shooting range. At six thirty pm on November first twenty ten Hemi walked in John Turner, a retiree and gun enthusiast waited on Turner handed him the insurance liability forms required to use one of the stores, six shooting lanes while state law frowns on paperwork concerning guns. The same is not true of gun ranges, which must worry about getting sued. If somebody gets hurt Hemi signed a form attesting that he had read and understood the safety rules written above he also printed his name and added the date and time and for one dollar purchase a target a two foot by four foot silhouette of a man with rings providing points for accuracy, the closer to the heart the higher the score Hemi s- form reflected that he used the target lane from six thirty five pm to seven five PM. When investigators interviewed Turner, they found that there was no record of the kind of gun Hemi shot. The store keeps track of the manufacturer model and caliber of guns loan for the range, but people who bring their own weapons don't have to fill in that information. The store did however have piles of used shell casings going back months. Some of them could have come from the gun Hemi shot at the range and could be compared to the shells found at the murder scene. Investigators filled up fourteen five gallon buckets of brass and hauled it to ballistics men. Kelly fight even for an examiner accustomed to tedious work fight found this project, particularly challenging he said that there are about one hundred cases per pound with three hundred pounds in the buckets working out to thirty thousand casings that went under his microscope in the end the effort proved fruitless not one matched the murder scene. Casings? So the murder weapon is still at large after the break, we meet detective, Mark Potter and an unfamiliar man named Jan Silva. Keep listening for more. 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To not guilty. Wherever you listen to podcasts again that's not guilty or visit par cast dot com slash not guilty to listen now. Let's go to detective Mark Potter Potter is helping with the investigation from another district. His main task is looking for clues in Hemi cellphone records, he finds one in a man named Jan Silva Silva doesn't work GE and isn't part of the Newman family or their circle of friends detective Potter gives to Silva a call. And from that, call knows immediately that they have to meet go to Buckhead diner in Atlanta. On February twenty-second twenty eleven Potter met. Jan de Silva outside the Buckhead diner, a former petty officer in the navy where he was a mechanic to Silva left the service and now parked cars as valet Potter placed on the trunk of a car a photo lineup. Six pictures of different men and asked him if he recognized anybody without hesitation to Silva picked out photo number four Hemi Newman the detective asked Silva how he knew the man and how Silvis phone number came to be Hemi cellphone records. I sold him my gun. He said it was a Bursa thunder forty a big and powerful handgun over seven inches long and weighing nearly two pounds. It shoots forty caliber bullets the same kind that killed rusty Schneiderman. The Silva originally obtained the gun on April eighth twenty ten from Knicks gun and range on canton. Road in Marietta after six months, however, his interest in firearms was clipped by a new passion. Skydiving needing extra money to pay for his certification to become a skydiving instructor to Silva listed, the Bursa on gun sales website for three hundred seventy five dollars in October twenty ten he received just one Email reply on his Yahoo account, a perspective buyer contacted him and asked if the gun was still available to Silva's said it was and they arranged a date and time to meet but Silva missed the appointment because he had gone skydiving. They set up a second appointment for Tober thirty first this time at another restaurant where Silva also worked as a valet as the Silva waited in the parking lot. He got a call on his cell phone from the man saying he was nearly there minutes later, a Honda odyssey. Minivan pulled up into the big driveway and came to a stop at the valet hut next to Silva after the man introduced himself as Hemi Newman the Silva, then opened a box. Show him the Bursa he explained how the gun worked gave him a cleaning kit and two kinds of Winchester bullets about one hundred solid brass rounds. Used for target practice and another fifty hollow points designed for self protection. The hollow points spreading out in a body upon impact causing maximum harm Hemi gave him three hundred eighty dollars from a wad of twenty dollar bills. And Jan returned five dollars change. Hemi drove off with his gun. The Silva thought this was the end of it. But one evening about two weeks later, Hemi Newman appeared at the Buckhead diner, while the Silva was parking cars Hemi apparently walked up to him Hemi asked if to Silva remembered him to Silva said yes, of course, Hemi reminded him anyway that he was the man who had bought the gun and asked if he could talk to him to silver reluctantly agreed wondering how Hemi had found him at this other job without being asked Hemi said the other LA's at the Atlanta fish market had directed him to the Buckhead diner. Hemi went on to tell Silva that something bad happened with the gun to civil later said to Silva asked if the gun had malfunctioned and worried that Hemi wanted his money back. Hemi wouldn't say what went wrong only that he had to get rid of the gun to Silva asked if he had sold it and Hemi replied that he had disposed of it where nobody would find it. Then out of the blue Hemi said don't ever have. Mistress. Silva didn't know what to say? So he just said, yes. Hemi told a convoluted story about a mistress causing trouble with family and this family new Hemi had the gun somebody had seen him flash. At and members of the family got scared. So Hemi toss the gun into Lake Lanier fifty miles northeast of Atlanta to Silva listened unsure how to react Hemi explained that some people might try to contact Silva asking if he'd sold Hammy the gun or if he'd ever met him if that happened Hemi advised to Silva should just say that the pair knew each other through mutual friends at Georgia Tech, and that Silva was trying to get them jobs at G E where Hemi worked Silva agreed to lie for him, but felt uneasy Hemi offered him a bunch of twenty dollar bills from his pocket, but Silva said he declined and added that he really needed to get back to work Hemi walked away. Rattled by the conversation to Silva that day approached in Atlanta police officer p ask the officer. If a person could get in trouble for selling a gun that was later used in a crime, according to Silva, the officer told him that if the gun had been sold legally, the seller need, not be worried feeling assured the sale was legal to Silva said nothing more about it until he was contacted by Potter. Hoping to obtain a shell casing for comparison. The investigator asked Silva if he had ever fired the weapon in the six months he owned it and kept any of the shells to Silva said he shot it about five hundred times at a range, but had not kept the casings. But he did know where he might be able to find one when to Silva purchase the gun it came with a shell from test-fire excited about his first gun purchase. He gave that shell to his girlfriend Aurora Horace also a gun enthusiast. It was like a gift he later said nothing special at Potters request. The Silva called Aurora who was at home and said she talked to him the detective went to her house flashed his badge and asked her if she had kept the shell. I keep everything she said Potter took the shell casing to fights laboratory in an envelope through the stereo microscope. He compared the casing with one found at the crime scene looking at their respective ejection marks. Fight who had testified twenty seven hundred times in cases for both the defense and prosecution was prepared to go to court to give his expert opinion that rusty Snyder men was gunned down with the three hundred seventy five dollar Bursa thunder forty that Hemi Newman bought from gin to Silva. We have a murder weapon the matching gun and the testimony of Jan Silva puts the gun in him as possessing between the gun and the rental van detectives, they're building a soundproof case against Hemi. But this investigation is over yet. The would certainly seems like Hemi killed rusty over his feelings for Andrea. We can't be sure that's the full story. We know that Hemi was involved in business dealings with rusty could that be motive detectives try to fill in the blanks next time on case closed. Case closed production of MacMillan podcasts. This season is based on the book crazy for you by Michael fleekerman. Get the book or the audio book using the link in our show notes. The show is produced by Becky Celestino with help from Sarah grill and Elissa Martino. We also want to thank Michael fleekerman. Can't wait to hear. What really happened to rusty Snyder men here all of the season right now on Stitcher premium, go to Stitcher premium dot com slash case closed and use code closed to start your free trial. I'm Charlie Spicer. Thanks so much for listening.

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Watchmen (Directed by Zack Snyder)  Filming The Unfilmable

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Watchmen (Directed by Zack Snyder) Filming The Unfilmable

"What's up everybody who welcome to show me the meaning. Quarantine addition. My name is jared. I'm joined here by the wisecracked crew. We Got Ryan while Bill. Pans be safe. We Got Alec. Hey and today. We're talking about. The movie watchmen the two thousand nine movie directed by Zack Snyder. Starring Jackie Earle Haley. Patrick Wilson Mellon Ackerman. Billy Krupp Jeffrey Dean Morgan based on the graphic novel by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons adapted by the screen by David solid snake. Hater Aleksei. As always we're GONNA go around and get some first impressions. What do people think the first time they saw this movie? And what do they think revisiting it for this podcast? I already know what Alex. Thanks very curious here Ryan thinks so. Let's hear Ryan has to say Ryan? Tell us about your relationship. With watchmen remind major. Do we watch this the first time together or was that me and Adam. I think it might have been you and Adam. I saw this at the draft house back in two thousand nine with my roommates anyway. Whatever I love this the first time I had never read the source material yet But now I have so This is one of the one of the few times in. Show me the meaning history where I Ryan have read a book with the movie. Were watching and so now I can actually critically look at it from the filmmaking perspective and you know the the literature perspective and I have to say you know. I'd always heard of the kind of legend of watchmen before the movie came out like it was it always been called unfilmable quote unquote giving him the title of our of our of our talk today. Filming the UNFILMABLE and I'd say he did a fucking awesome job filming the UNFILMABLE. The vibe to say so zack. Snyder is a great filmmaker. I kind of lost it. A little bit in his later Twilight years of his directing career but this was him at his apex. I think this in three hundred But in terms of adapting of something and then making it really cool and accessible to the masses and also keeping it to the core of what the spirit of the original thing was. I think it was great so I don't know nine out of ten and I'm just also a sucker for for slow motion montage while pop songs play. So if you're into that Zack. Snyder is your man so this movie is great excited to talk about it cool. I wish I had to talk about it too. Especially after hearing what Alec has to say Alec we think about this movie. Oh God I'm GonNa get crucified. Yeah well I saw this movie a long time ago before. I think I was a teenager. I had not read graphic novel. I don't even think I knew the graphic novel existed and I remember. Kind of maybe like yeah. I think I was confused. Which is an a hit on the movie? I was just kind of like a dumb sort of film viewer at the time Didn't pay close attention to stop. Nor did I really understand what the source material or? The movie was trying to go for so the main emotion. I remember his feeling confused Now present day. I've read the graphic novel I you know watch. Tv show which obviously is very different. And I watched the ultimate cut which is three and a half hour. So some of my. This is what I want to kind of figure out. Some of my perspective here is may be informed by that but I was so bored it so long and the movie already has long in this just awesome. Maybe I'm being unfair but I also think and we can talk about this a little bit later. That Zack Snyder tries to adapt the movie with a in some ways. Like very religiously like there's so many small little details that are true to the comic but in a way that ends up being in an uncanny valley with the source material. In a way that I feel like is not good. I also feel like on an aesthetic level. He tries to to make it. Seem like the watchmen. But is maybe not getting it. Like on a tunnel level or sexual. I duNNo. We can talk about that. Later yeah. I'm excited to talk about that. Because my relationship with this is so. I read the graphic novel the day before. The film came out back in two thousand nine. I read the whole thing on one plane flight and then the next day I already had tickets to see the movie and I was overall really impressed with the adaptation. I thought that The movie was really good. I've seen the movie probably like six times. Although this was the first time watching the ultimate cut and for people who have watched the ultimate cut that whole thing with The freighter what is it. The the black freighter. Tally had freighter. Yeah they add that into the movie which. I don't even think they needed it in the in the graphic novel to be perfectly honest. I mean I understand that. There's some interesting parallels that go with the characters and stuff but it wasn't my favorite part of the graphic novel and definitely did not need to be in the movie There are also so I actually have seen the theatrical cut a number of times. It's the better movie than the ultimate cut. So I'll be able to answer some of your questions. Alec about what was what was changed because I have seen it a number of times so then I started thinking about it more and I reread the graphic novel years later and I started to think. Well I don't know. Did Zack Snyder. Get something wrong. Is this whole graphic novel. A bit pithier than Zack Snyder. Kind of glommed onto but then after watching it and I didn't read the graphic novel in its entirety but Alec and I have been working on a watchman video that focuses on the. Hbo show that comes out Friday. That I'm really excited about and I've come to the conclusion that no I think. Zack Snyder did a really awesome job. I think this movie is freaking awesome. I think it's probably his best move. It's it's his best movie There are some of the performances are probably the the most memorable performances that actor will have in their career. I guess for walking dead fans. You could argue Jeffrey. Dean Morgan is better as Nagin. But Jeffrey Dean Morgan is. The comedian is so inspired. Jackie Earle Haley. As rohrschack is amazing. That's like the role. He was born to play. The Guy who plays Ozzy Mandy? S I think is is the biggest letdown. Because it's such an interesting great role and I not like that actor at all was named Matthew good or something like that wasn't into him. I liked billy crowd up as Dr Manhattan. Every frame of this movie is gorgeous and it's and to your point Alec. It is very reverend to the source material. I'm interested to hear more about how it could be. Kind of like overly reverent or Kinda UNCANNILY UNCANNY valley thing but overall I think this is axe nighters. Best movie and just painstaking attention to detail and craft. And I think it's frigging awesome and in a time. Where like Loving Zack? Snyder is not the coolest thing in the world. I think that this is like total testament to the fact that he is a balls to the wall. Excellent filmmaker are you not a three hundred men? I would say three hundred is up three hundred why I saw. I don't know does that move. Hold up or does a baby. I haven't seen it since leaders turn it on and crank up the volume. Yeah still remember I just remember it being just a Syringe of pure adrenaline to the jugular. Yes that is what it is. Cinematic a cinematic cocaine or going to recap when. The comedian amassed vigil. Anti from a bygone eras killed by mysterious burglar outlaw. Vigilante worship is determined to find out who is killing x masked heroes so he warns his prior colleagues. His ex partner. Dan Aka a night owl. The smartest man in the world. Adri Invite Aka Ozzy Mantis the Superman Himself John Aka Dr Manhattan. Who can bend matter to his will and his girlfriend Lori Aka Soak Specter meanwhile the US in the US are on the brink of annihilating each other with nuclear warheads. The only thing deterring this is the existence of Dr Manhattan but when Laurie breaks up with him and a man accused him of spreading cancer to his loved ones on national television doctor. Manhattan grows tired of humanity and teleport's to Mars leaving the US vulnerable to a Russian attack. Someone makes an attempt on fights life and while investigating Rohrschack is set up and thrown in prison leaving night owl and so expect her to break him out. Lori is teleported to Mars to join Dr Manhattan where she tries to convince him to come back to Earth to save it from nuclear. War Nile in workshops investigation lead them to vice office where they learned that he was behind the people in John's life getting cancer so they follow him to his lab and article where they learn a horrific truth. Adrian has used Dr Manhattan's Energy Signature to set off devastating explosions in several major cities. Killing millions doctor Manhattan shows up to confront Adrian but he is now powerless to stop survive. Utopia from coming to life as now all the countries of the world are now banding together in their fight against Doctor Manhattan unwilling to compromise his moral position. Rohrschack leaves to tell the whole world of Adrian's plot but Dr Manhattan kills him before he can cause any further harm doctor. Manhattan leaves Earth and worshipped Journal detailing his suspicion of vite lands on the table of the new frontiers. Men Are Right Wing newspaper and of movie our guys before we go any further. 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No really I I want I want to hear more about what feels a little bit off about the movie because there are some things that actually have been pointed out in some really good video. Say's that I'll recommend at some point That are a little bit off from what the comic was going. But I'm curious to hear a little bit more about this uncanny valley thing or this tonal office that you were speaking of. Yeah and I think one thing to realize here think we all probably agree with this. Is Zack Snyder's really good at like creating specific moments specific frames and stuff like that and so he makes a lot of visual references to the graphic novel for instance. There's a dream in the graphic novel where night out to and silk spectre are kissing. And there's like a new going off in the back recruits. That's like really cool and really beautiful. Obviously the fight. Choreography is really cool. But what happens is in like in the graphic novel there's a sense You know there's the theme of Nostalgia There's not only the nostalgia perfume but it's all these like old bloated superheroes sort of trying to relive their glory days and Kinda goofy night to functionally a weird nerd and he has a in this movie as well but what happens is I think there's no better example of this and maybe this is all in the ultimate cup. Mason Hollis the original night owl in the graphic novel. He is confused with the other night owl so some thugs come to his house and beat them up and murder him and what happens is he tries to fight them off. But he's old and crippled and so he's flashing back panel by panel Imagining himself as a young man fighting criminals while these dogs are murdering him right But what happens in the movie with Snyder is the same thing is happening. It's still cutting back to his delusions of you. Know his former days but he's also beating the shit out of these people and sure they obviously win but the old man is way too bad ass whereas in the graphic novel. He's object of pity. I think that is greatly reduced here. Another example is there's a sort of weird nerdy rescue seen in the graphic novel that also plays out where night out to seems like he's facing some evidence like he can't get it up. It's unclear but there he's making out with Warri And then they can't make it work so he standing naked in front of his costume. And then they tried to go on a superhero mission again. Relive the glory days and they find a burning building and they save it apartment the graphic novel. It's like well. If I moved the steering column we can fit them all in and they serve coffee to them and it's weird nerdy and kind of great because the whole movies making fun of the Genre Button. Zach Snyder version. He's using the Gatling gun on his ship to shoot down a water tower and Warri literally does a superhero land like into the fire in the same kind of way that like deadpool. Make of years and years later So I think Zack Snyder's biggest problem kind of strength is that he's really good at making things. Look bad ass. Like three hundred but by bad ass. It misses the point of the original comic. Which are these are? A bunch of weird has been making end. Lots of commentary about how they dress up. Funny in our bunch of Weirdos or does it that he makes it so bad ass. Make It really sell the ace that it completely to You know he's the perfect person to pull off this satire. You know that's as well so okay. I'm I I think that you put it in you. Put it in really good words because I think that this is also if I were to complain about one thing and that is what do we mean when we say filming the unfilmable like when people said that? This movie was unfilmable. I mean Ryan. You brought that up I mean. Do you think that they were just talking about special effects? No the reason is because the the the graphic nature of the graphic novel is really cool and Different for the time and it had all used all these supplemental materials to tell the story. You know so you. You saw the files from the F. B. I. That kind of lead you on something. You saw some other clues. You saw the different newspaper reports you saw graphs and stuff. It was telling the story with all this different stuff so when people talk about. Who's going to film this thing? They're kind of like? Are you going to do that? Or you're gonNA use that in the film How are you gonNa kind of take all this information that Alan Moore presented to you in different ways and do it semantically? And he did kind of you know he. He didn't really do the that that much like there wasn't like zooms in on graphs and computer screens and stuff But he he definitely adapted frame for frame the comic kind of like Sin City like Robert. Rigas did like where like he literally said. I'm I'm adapting literally the Comic Frame for frame in Sin City and you can definitely see that kind of influence. A little bit as exciting as where? Where if you're a big fan of the comic you like like when he gets gets kicked out the window. You're like okay. That's straight up. The comic sell from the thing you know realized in full of on cinema so I think that that's kind of what a lot of people. Yeah I'll agree to that And I think they did a pretty good job. I mean we see The book under the Hood in the background so many times throughout the movie. I mean we don't really actually get any chapters of it like we do the black freighter thing in the ultimate cut which shouldn't have been there anyway. But I do think that to Alex Point. The violence at times is too awesome. No no it's no because perfectly awesome well because if you're trying to as the graphic novel does kind of deconstruct the superhero genre during the action scenes. It almost seems the movie is inhabiting the Superhero Genre. And so there's an awkward tension work kind of goes back and forth between deconstructing it and then just relishing in it and I think that's kind of where this kind of total disconnect can can go off at the one thing that I I'll argue that I think he's able to Rivera. Smartly kind of maintain that critical distance is with the soundtrack. Because we don't get your regular superhero soundtrack. Of everything you know Crescendo doing to this epoch. Moment we don't really get much of a score. We get Bob Dylan Simon and Garfunkel. Which a not only adds to the alternate history thing. That's going on in this movie but so one particularly brilliant example I like is during the Vietnam Section where Dr Manhattan is blowing up people's heads. We hear Wagner 's ride of the valkyries From a complaint from the third one well and this is largely because we chatted a little bit sometimes are bad and we do podcasts boilers and talk a little bit about it but in apocalypse if you're to read it just straight up as a allusion to apocalypse now which I think it very much asks us to do since we see the black helicopters in the background it's in Vietnam. It's the same setting in apocalypse. Now it is meant to undercut the seriousness of this character. Who is rating this village and thinks he's a total bad ass because he's just going to wipe away this village so that he can surf. So if you kind of look at it Inter textually. I think it's actually quite smart. In how it undercuts the severity and the seriousness and the quote unquote awesomeness. Yes I think it's the opposite because I think he's like I. I really like a lot of the music selection here but like specific and I think he's being very deliberate like I think he is saying. I want to emulate this apocalypse now seen but you know apocalypse now. Is this like Anti War movie? As he said he wants to clear out. And Kill all these people so you can have a better surfing spot and instead he just like wouldn't it be cool if I put? I think again like because he's so focused on static he wouldn't it be cool if Dr Manhattan Bore People's heads and you're just getting into his mind. You seem to these interviews. I only I have not looked at any. I don't I don't want to say I've never red sox interview but I've not read anything except I think in the wikipedia. He mentioned that he even says the tales from the raiders and volunteer. But that's a separate point but I don't know and again like I think tone is like a really harden weird thing I mean I do think it is an inner textual thing where just as it's ridiculous and over the top and Like kind of questioning the glory of violence in this meaningless war I think it accomplishes basically the same thing in this very short section but still a really powerful part. Sorry I basically just I basically just said the same thing that I said about it being it working. Inter textual intersects Julie but if you had not seen apocalypse now I can maybe see it being just like oh man. It's so awesome so I don't know I think it comes down to town and it's like a weird amorphous thing depend down and obviously apocalypse now has a tone and I think everyone agrees that works I don't know he's just really good making it. Look Cool Yeah There's another part where they play that song. I'm boogeyman while the while. The watchman are trying to disperse a riot especially with the comedian You know gassing people and hitting people with rubber bullets indiscriminately. I just think that that is a really good effort to kind of take down the self seriousness that these acts Snyder aesthetic would otherwise portray. There are some Some interesting music choice. I just WANNA mention so ninety nine. Red Balloons. I recently learned this. People probably recognize it. But it's a song about like nuclear armageddon which is very fond. It plays that specific scene. And I think it's a really good choice. But while Dr Manhattan's has on Mars they play There's have you guys seen kind of Scott's it's like this weird experiment. Yeah baby filled glass. Yes so Philip Costa's the soundtrack and they play. I think one or two songs from a end. The whole film is kind of the the time lapse fast photos of the world and I think the subtitle film is like life out of order or something like that and it shows the Challenger. Bob And it's Kinda dislike. I mean I think it works a weird meditative thing But again I think very specific music choices there. I think it's from the part of the movie called the grid which is pretty awesome in Scots. If you'RE GONNA IF YOU'RE GONNA watch one part of Yanni Scott's watched the part called the grid I think that's where they take the music from in the doctor Manhattan section and then go out and watch a Baraka and Sonesta or whatever the hell it's called. Some of those are similar movies. But there's actually like a another something he Scott see movie but anyway Let's just talk about the thing that most people criticize before talk about the ending. I mean what do you guys think about the change? Changing out the squid for Dr Manhattan. Why do you think they made that choice? And how do you think it kind of ends up working? I think that they did it because I mean this is a huge movie. A huge risk and just they. I think it was just the sheer idea of introducing a giant squid which is Kinda seems like so absurd like a non sequitur even at the end of the movie as the big destructive force. Just seem maybe like People wouldn't buy it or something or it was too silly or maybe it was too big of an effect that would have cost one hundred billion dollars but then honestly I'm I'm not usually a big fan of making such a drastic Choi change from the source material. Since I totally read it and I know this one I'm a acted to it emotionally but this was a very smart change. I thought like in terms of like being if you're a story editor in terms of just truncating a narrative and trying to work together pieces in different ways like Oh this is a very smart change. It does change the ending a lot in everything. But I think it makes Dr Manhattan's Character Way Cooler at the end of the day. The fact that he recognizes that Ozzy Mandy Os's write quote unquote. You know like like I think that that was cool for the novel. The movie I I actually kind of agree with Ryan and that I think it's a smart choice. You've already got a movie. That's three and a half hours and the ultimate cut. There's there I think the reason the I think the reason it works in the graphic novel wrestle on unfilmable parts like there's a supplemental material. You're introduced to these other These other cells of you know artist making things. There's all these other characters that have to disappear on an island that make the squid that then die and for an already on movie. I think you just have to cut that out and so I think the basic premise of Dr Manhattan. I'm okay I'm okay with that and I think a lot of it still works but the thing that I find that kind of ruins is two things one is that Dak cider up the stakes. What I think is really great about Al. Moore's ending is that New York kills. I think three million or a few million people for world peace which is a horrifying number. But Zack Snyder made it New York and Moscow and all of these things so It's great of a crime and I think I think the few million lives for of humanity is at least a little more debatable. Than what in the movie? He just killing way. Way More people right so I think it removes at least a little bit of the ambiguity but also the thing that kind of bothers me. Is that in the graphic novel? The conversation mostly people are obviously outraged when they were ozzy. Mandela's did but it's mostly conversation between Manhattan and Ozzy Mandy as an OSCE Mandy. Is this kind of asking Dr Manhattan? Like do you think I did. The right thing is kind of happens later At which point he refuses to sort of. Morley absolve him but says nothing ever ends and is one. Everyone seems to just be like Yep Ozzy Mandy says totally right. We can't do it whereas I think in the graphic novel. There's this better center. Everyone feels blackmailed. Gross about it may just seem a little too enthusiastic and last thing is and I don't know is this just in the ultimate cup but nothing ever end lines. A Hat said by Laurie. But in a way that you can text rely like it's like well John would have said this and it's like that line doesn't mean the thing that made it good anymore unless it's an ovation where Ozzy Mandy as-as asking for sort of moral absolution yet. Don't let me forget because I do want to talk about what we think. Line means But I also when I first saw it. I thought it was a smart change too because the first time. I read the graphic novel I was confused as Hell as to. Why they even why they even had a giant squid. But one thing I do want to. I said I would recommend a video essay. Captain Christian did a really good watchmen video essay years ago And he brought he. He pointed out something that in the graphic novel. The violence is kind of muted. A little bit up until the squid comes in and then the squid is the most grotesque part of the entire graphic novel. I mean you know there were like pages of people being disfigured. And it's really actually hard to read and how. It kinda really emphasized the horror of what Ozzie. Mandates did whereas in the movie. It's the opposite in the movie. We're seeing all this bad ass really bloody action like when Laurie and Dan beat up those thugs in the alleyway. I mean they are fucking them a bone objects from the guy's arm cool one. It was cool. It was cool but then when the whole Dr Manhattan's Energy Signal or whatever destroying New York which is what we see. It's like the opposite. We see no blood. We see people just evaporate but it doesn't hit you like it does in the graphic novel were you know We see the magnitude of the violence. The magnitude of the destruction whereas at the end of the movie. It is kind of just your average of city being leveled. We've seen it many times snyder would later do it. In Man of steel and Batman v Superman we'd all seen before whereas like the truly horrific nature of it was really communicated quite well in the graphic novel. And so I. I totally attribute this to Captain Christians Video Essay. But I think that it's a pretty astute point and Something that I think that is does make the movie a little bit weaker and to Alex Point almost makes the audience kind of go along with his plan a little bit more. Don't get me wrong. I would've loved to see the giant squid realized and that is such a bizarre ending to a to a book So it would have been cool to see but I think what we got was cool but I. I pretty much agree with what you said. My problem is that. Don't you think people would come to the conclusion that Dr Manhattan did this to make himself a scapegoat? Like people would kind of theorize. What Ozzie Mandy did but instead attributed to Dr Manhattan whereas the giant Octopus from another dimension is so wild and so out of nowhere that people wouldn't suspect anything except what it seems like no because we'd already seen Dr People already thought of Dr Manhattan is kind of a loose cannon already because of what had happened at Earlier right on on the TV station. Yeah I mean yeah. That's fair if I want to be really nerdy critical about it and I don't even support this view that we should try to find Paul's but there's nothing you can do about Dr Manhattan like if Dr Manhattan wants to blow up the Soviet Union in America. There's nothing feasibly they can do. Whereas you know this unknown squid thing. I guess maybe they can try to develop some countermeasures or something you make another doctrine hadn't whether or not but whether or not it's possible the ideas that mankind has to join together to try. Do you WanNa talk. It's okay let's talk about That line that should have that doctor Manhattan should have read that Lauren's of sayings that nothing ever ends now in our video on Friday we have a particular interpretation of that as as it's relevant to the HBO show which as everyone knows is quite different than the graphic novel just within the context of the just the graphic novel. What did you think he meant by that at that point? I think there's a sense that all events past present future are interconnected or at least that's kind of the interpretation. We take with the show as well but I do think it plays here and that like this massive thing. That bite did to change the course of history. It's impossible to say in the moment whether or not was worth it because nothing ever ends like as we even as we see on the TV show or if you want ignore the TV show like the consequences of this action will literally never end as ripples throughout history in the future right. Yeah the way that I had initially interpreted. It was as kind of a reflection of the Percy shelley poem that Vais Vite is obsessed with you know we we see it In the movie we just see the my name is Osmania King of kings. Look on my works. You mighty and despair from the Percy shelley poem but then the lines right after that are nothing beside remains round the decay of that colossal wreck. Boundless bear the Lone and level sands stretch far away so to me it was doctor. Manhattan just telling him in a sense that You know even the thing that you tried to avoid will not end because Like the decay in despair that ramesses the second ended up being subjected to will also be subjected to your dream. Yea and I do think there's a lot of and I think is what makes the graphic novel so good is. There's a lot of parallel things happening. That helped conceptualize vite. And this is why I agree. And even agrees that tales from the black freighter. Don't work an ultimate cut because it just feels too disjointed but the story about a guy who wants to save his wife and children from this horrible threat but in the process sort of becomes the monster that he's trying to fight and you know he ends up joining the black freighter So I think. That's one way to conceptualize it but another way with nothing ever ends is just the story of Warri. Right in that. She her history. Her sort of founding moment goes back to the comedian sexually assaulting her mother And Dr Manhattan calls it a thermodynamic miracle that despite all the thousands of generations despite that horrible incident like there is in this moment. That sort of beautiful thing in front of him that happens so without sort of saying it's okay Adrian. You did the right thing or in similarly without saying like nobody's saying that the comedian sexually assaulting So expect there was a good thing but in the way that these things ripple throughout history we can see like the sort of complicatedness of them. And I think it's kind of getting at that kind of idea. So you mentioned the black freighter real quick. Do you think that it's meant to specifically parallel Ozzy Mandy as-as act or Roszak? Because I'm in a way the fact that it could be either one like Rohrschack the castaway becomes grimmer and more dark as he does what he needs to survive like Rohrschack who you know after he There's that whole story. He tells about him investigating the disappearance of a little girl and then finding the guy who killed her and then saying that You know Walter Kovacs died that day and Rohrschack was born and his disposition towards evil to skits grimmer and deeper into the point where he says there's good and there's bad and the bad need to be put down and on the other hand. You could also look like like ozzy mandates into saying that he becomes the this because of his deeds and the thing I like about that. Is that when we think about kind of the moral center of the movie? It really is a war between the ideals of Rohrschack nauseous. Because you know Rohrschack is the dion who believe who refuses to bend his Moral Code and if you know killing millions of people is wrong no matter for what end and then we have. Ozzy Mandy is who's more the consequentialist who believes that killing millions to save billions age. Just thing and I like that. The story can kind of apply to both people. Yeah and I don't know if I missed this. This is in the graphic novel. But in the tales from black freighter in the movie the sale get splattered with something. That kind of looks. Like whoa shacks pattern. So I think they are being intentional about that. Intr- yeah I noticed that watching the movie as well but I don't remember it from the graphic novel either. It seems like the kind of thing that does X. night or might have added. Yeah but I also I mean one thing from reading the graphic novel movies I you know. I think this is intentional. In both just what a creep worship is I mean? He's essentially? I like just mad that everyone's having sex and doing drugs all the time you know. I never really looked at it like that. I mean to me he's more Travis Bickel into okay. Well actually I like Rohrschack more than I like Travis. Bickel and taxi driver but I mean it's hard to say. Just how depraved. The streets really are and how sick he really is. Because how can you really know? I mean there's one line that I think is like full-on he sa- he describes something of screams like an abattoir which is a slaughterhouse full of retarded children and the night reeks fornication and bad consciences and like his mom was like a prostitute and through that trauma. He's just like all prostitutes are evil. Which is is we're or like I. He's the type that's like premarital sex as bad as arm sang it's your. It's hard to morally evaluate these kind of things like I think of a similar thing with a Gotham in the dark knight trilogy like apparently the city is so bad. But what exactly is is going on here. And what exactly is so bad that it justifies like taking a kind of fascistic attitude towards what is good and what is bad and enforcing it on your own terms and I think to a large extent. That's what Alan Moore's kind of going for In the character of Rohrschack is kind of deconstructing people like Batman who thinks who thinks that you know. Their moral code should be imposed on. Everyone like me. Yeah right Anything else that you guys wanted to bring up not the top of my head. I'm steering a quick scan while you're scanning I will just say that I appreciate that. The movie jumps back and forth in time like the graphic novel. I mean you can easily imagine a scenario where the writer gets pressured by the studio to Linear linearly. Tell the story of Dr Manhattan because I think a lot of mainstream viewers when they watch this movie and they see this giant dude with the Big Blue Dong- they're like what the fuck is going on whereas if they had told kind of linear superhero narrative that we're all used to of your incredible hulk like scenario turning him into a bad ass. People would be a lot more comfortable but I just can't respect them enough for doing it like they did the graphic novel and also because it works with the whole thing. We experience the the story like Dr Manhattan Experiences Time And even so Alec. You mentioned the part where Hollis Mason gets killed. That's probably one of the worst parts of the movie and that is not in the theatrical cut and but I will say that I I think you're distinction about him being like kind of like flashing back to his lame glory days is is apt but I do like that flashed that flashes back to his past enemies because at least it works with the whole time the thing that is a visual Motif. Not only in the movie but in the graphic novel definitely and so then leaning into that is something that I think is pretty smart. I have okay so I have two quick things one of which I've been obligated to ask about from Mike Oxen Berg. But what this is the first one. Richard Nixon's knows great choice bold choice. I liked it. I thought it was weird. But I'M NOT GONNA hate on it. There are some people that look really good like that. are You know Actors playing whether it's David Bowie or Truman capote or Andy Warhol some of them. Look really good the Nixon. One doesn't look as good but I don't know I kind of always imagined that it was supposed to be like that. Like he was kind of this this monster in his own right that like his makeup was almost too extreme because they wanted to make him up like some sort of a bad movie they were they were going for like a Nicholas Cage and never on a Tuesday. Exactly okay I would just go and bring up. How Weird. It is how this movie so great. And then they give him the keys to the castle on Superman and Batman Superman and you know my feelings on that jared. How the fuck do you go from? Yeah this masterpiece that pile of hot trash well. I think it's actually a lot of what we're talking about. And we actually have a video coming up about this but basically I mean I'll give you a little sneak peak as to what we're GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT. But with the dark knight returns also being a piece of like deconstructed art. He doesn't quite that. It's not supposed to be awesome. And he just leans into how everything is supposed to be dark gritty and awesome whereas a lot of these graphic novels where they were yes dark and gritty but they were very critical of what they were portraying and he doesn't really get that critical edge. Especially when you know so much of it is lifted from the Frank Filler text. And I think even to some degree watchmen So I mean that's part of it. There's a lot going wrong with those movies but Does anyone know what he's up to? Is he just like kind of taking care of his whole family situation or is he working on something? Oh he yeah. He's making the fountainhead. The Al Ride Randa Novel Right. Because he's a random yeah. He's active that I'm an army of the dead I forgot. I don't even know what that's all about. Apparently some it's a Zombie. Zombie isn't that what's the evil dead two called near Dog Army of dark. You're thinking of army of darkness. Oh yeah yeah yeah darkness. And that's one of my favorite movies ever are. There's no way that the lot the last thing is what locks wanted me to bring up so in the car. So there's the scene in the movie. Warri goes on Archie that the ship and presses the flame thrower button. And you're like what a dumb asshole and locks wanted me to say that in the comic book. She's looking for a lighter so she's like a lot less dob in the comic book because it's kind of like her vices are causing her to do this dumb thing by desperately looking for lighter function archie and then you know make the place catch on fire whereas in this version. She's just dumb Gotcha. I didn't really think of her as But it was a good setup for the orgasm joke that later happens. Does that happen in the graphic novel and I think so also Leonard. Cohen's how the plays which I can't decide is like really good funny or not. That's amazing so awesome. Yeah I'm going to be honest. I even for the three and a half hour long cut. I didn't fast forward through any part except the sex scene because I just don't. I don't really love that awesome. That's Louis memorable scenes in the movie. Yeah Jared Yeah maybe I'm just sexually inhibited too old All RIGHT WE'RE GONNA go into the mail bag. You can hit US up at two one. Three five three four eight eight zero seven if you. WanNa leave us a voicemail. That's two one Elf hut. Oh Sevens where the Party We got a couple of ones from old school properties Let's hear one from Jeff. He talks about. They live a movie. All three of US love. Hey guys. This is just from Portland Oregon. Hey I was just listening to some backlog episodes specifically the they live episode and subsequent ones where we get to hear from Austin about his point of view on. They live and I kind of had a contradicting opinions Austin. As far as the kind of shattering of your worldview or changing of worldview with taking the pill I actually went through a kind of a shattering of my feel logical backgrounds and I actually felt it relieving I you know I may have come from a much different experience than Austin did but I definitely felt relieving like taking the red pill yes it was sweet and it was delicious because I finally felt relief from all of this scary weird overtone that is propagated throughout the Christianity. I'm the Christian missiles anyway. That's just my thoughts. Hope to hear from you guys peace. Thanks Jeff thanks for that very personal email. I Wish Austin was here. I don't remember what exactly we were talking about. What they live podcast. But I'm sure it was more about the shattering of the grand delusion stuff that we're always talking about but Yeah you guys got anything on that. I had a very similar experience growing up. You know like like I was. I felt like I was way more stressed out growing up when I was you know I felt binded by these super harsh ideologies and then when I kind of realized that way. I don't have to do that life state of mind kind of thing. Whatever than I felt free maybe I could think how you know however I wanted and So yeah I I to did not. It didn't just leave me cold and stunned and shattered to be like. Oh my God everything I know is ally. Kinda was like Oh awesome. Everything I know is allies sweet like I can finally get on with my real life. I what Austin said based on comedy I think okay. There might be two ideas. Jack might say the process of awakenings painful which I think he said about they live Which kind of is against what You and the caller are saying but also I think there's this ideal combat we kind of have this desire that we never actually went to reach. We just wanted to the joy of like approaching it And so the idea is like we always wanted to be pulling back another curtain. We always WanNa like do that. Extra step so maybe. That's kind of like a stressful thing again. I'm just speculating on what my awesome. I'd say sorry I well you saying that meeting. You remember more what we were talking about. At the time I think I was going on my schtick about how taking the red pill tastes good and how people like having that illusion shattered and so that would go more to what Jeff Ryan we're talking about. But anyway let's do one more voicemail. We got one from Hunter about Scott Pilgrim. I told her og listen. I listened to the beginning of y'all I was really listening to your Scott Pilgrim podcasts. And I believe Austin said something. About how Mega Scott is made. Kevin British humor kind of way as their the bill. Take Away For stylistic choice I would like to argue that maybe for once then egger racer. That was more of a choice. Because maybe he's trying to say something about house Trying to fight our passes embrace it because I believe Scott says after they walk out of the rocket or whatever the name of The concert hall is is that Tim and Nega Scott shot the shit and they actually have a lot in common. So maybe that means something about Edgar Right now. I love you could yeah I like reading of Scott Pilgrim whereas like it's not just a joke of him seeing his shadow and Instead of defeating it he just. Kinda says like yeah cool man. Let's hang out. You know a kind of a coming of a self acceptance of like how he can be a shitty person which is ultimately what he has to kind of accept when he tells I can't remember the name of the something show Asian girlfriend writing. I said you know. Come to the come to terms with the fact that he cheated on her. So I like that reading Are we're going to go into the emails you can hit us up at movies at wisecracked dot. Co We got one from rob from Strahl Lia. He said Good Day wise crack. You forgot to mention the least accurate. Part of contagion jude. Law's Australian accent literally. No one has has crikey since two thousand six. Stephen were in Austin. I'm surprised in point that out. We got a lot of people You know speaking to Austin and Austin's not here today but Thank you for that. Rob from strata. This one's from Tom. We've got a couple emails about this and this is about my bad He said I. Just listen to your contagion podcast which you guys mentioned that. Several city population figures mentioned in the movie were significantly higher than they are in reality. My inner pedantic wants you to know that some of the numbers you repeated movie are in fact accurate when you say a city as a certain number of people in either be referring to the population of the city proper or the larger Metro area and context determines which numbers more relevant For example Google tells me that San Francisco's population is under nine hundred thousand. But it's metro areas four point seven million. I can't remember the precise context from the movie. But when discussing how many people are at risk during a pandemic. It's likely that the four point seven million is the meaningful number because a virus isn't going to honor city lines. Thanks and love the podcast from Tom. So I had mentioned that I was surprised to see that. Some of the numbers seem to a bit exaggerated in the population. Numbers and contagion. But I think I was probably just going by the Google numbers that Tom said so. Thank you for correcting. We got a couple other emails people correcting me as well. So sorry about so sorry about that. And then we're going to end off today with a pretty awesome email from lady mic bitch. She says hello. She says Hello Friends. I was watching her. Live stream on the podcast livestream. Podcast on contagion. I two ideas popping my head. I was that this might be a fun film to. Put on our family movie night because you know every night is movie night. Since our entire countries in quarantine second I thought it would be funny if I documented every single time. You guys touched your face on camera. Faulk boy was I fucking wrong. My Dad was already at the precipice of paranoia ever since our president elevated the general quarantine to an enhanced community corentin watching this movie for what was supposed to be a fun family. Night was a mistake because it definitely pushed him over the edge is now a full blown. Doomsday prepar conspiracy ultimately condemned myself and the rest of my family no exit sil- to suffer through his how the government has been lying to us about the virus tedtalk every time the nightly news comes on Hell truly is other people secondly I did document. Every single instance guys touched your face. And here's a screen tap of the results so this is in fact something that That so on the average for the fifty minute podcast that we did. I touched my face for an average of forty three SEC or I for forty-three seconds. Helen touched her face for a minute. Twenty five seconds. An Austin with the clear win touched his face for two minutes and twenty five seconds. Total instances duration. That's harder it was. It was hard core. So I appreciate that during quarantine you just. You just might have some time to kill but anyway Thank you for that lady mic Bitch. That's we're going to go ahead and wrap it up so Work we find you guys on the Internet Ryan They got a lot of time making lots of quarantine videos lately. So you can find those on Ryan shorts Which is on Youtube or facebook or instagram or twitter that shit so ryan shorts the three combined me cool and Allah. I'm on twitter at Wise Crack Alec Allensinc. Who'LL OUR GUYS? We will catch you next time. Thanks for listening in thank you. Yeah Goodbye from Hollywood California in quarantine edition piece. Nothing ever ends.

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Snyder Cut To Be Released! But Will It Be Any Good? - Dude Soup Podcast #280

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Snyder Cut To Be Released! But Will It Be Any Good? - Dude Soup Podcast #280

"How many people need to ask for something? No one else truly wants for a corporation to step in and make that want a reality. The answer is one man. And he's with us on this. Very Slow Mo hyper stylized episode of Dude Soup trying to get. We're trying to get. I'm not talking about Andy. Let me get to the guests. And then I'll make sense. Hey everybody welcome to let them do this. Dude Soup Real quick I want to shout out all the rt I members that are watching every watching an rt live. Really appreciate you guys joining the chat getting involved and being a part of the fun livestream. I think it's adds an organic element to the whole thing. I want to also introduce our guests right away. You recognize her. She almost every single week. God No better to be a thanks for having James. What is almost impossible not to now. Now that I went to this right she. She did request to be in this episode but she also it was either. This steered the corner For an hour I'm not trying to diminish you'd be very busy. I look at that corner and I look at it hard. We have some pretty awesome guests here. We have any Cortez in Greg Miller. From kind of funny everyone every year was twenty eighteen. Yes on the spot live young Antillean versus you James in some other guy who's gone. It was there that you all tried to make me bad for like Batman v. Superman how I think it was there that I said there were dozens of us. That like Batman v Superman and that those people should come to the front of the auditorium in raised me on their shoulders and they did ladies and gentlemen. Did we chanted Martha in two short years later Hashtag released. The Snyder cut is mission accomplished. Now we're moving onto the suicide. David Ayers no no God all nine. You forgot the most important part of that whole story every time you post that clip post that clip. It ends too soon because what follows is afterwards. I shout those of us. That love Improv comedy. Come and lift me up and then I ran to the front of the stage and no one helped me up laughing so hard we were crying. Your tears fell off the stage. It was that on the spot with you guys. I think one of the most fun things. I was firing on all cylinders. Never be able to do it again. Now on you andy. It's really Anouk. His team was able to bring it. Can You bring that level of comedy to do? That's what we need to find out right now. I don't know about that. I just WANNA I first and foremost I just want to get it off. Greg is getting stuff off the his chest. I want get sell off of my chest. I am not Rahul Coli and I am not Mike Shinoda. Okay I am not those people yes I may be there. There's a slight resemblance. I'll admit that but I am not Mike Shinoda. I think that's the one I get the most. Those are the only lower thirds we prepared. I mean I thought I was confused. I looked at the call sheet night. I I probably said Shinoda coli probably said either tennis but I I sure read it as should noticable thing showing the eyebrows. What have you guys didn't know from eyebrows up? He looks a lot like Jon snow. Oh Reverend okay And you might think. May I gave the thrones obviously? Didn't stick the leanings. Odd people kind of get forgotten about it but there is an image where it is handy next to John. Snow's say it's true you just. It's just the eyebrows is Kinda like from here up like if you just quite image for if quiet for a second here ago. Hugo go want I don't want it. Did he say that. I don't remember that part of the you need to worry as much about because it was not really. We're not seeing you do a good impression of it. We're just saying the eyebrows. Who's least Kinda I think? Maybe all I think that also I also. I'm getting John. Snow vibe that I took a don't want I don't remember him saying that James It's win. They're always trying to get him to be the canes don't want it I don't know one it clearly. I I watched the whole show. I don't remember I don't want it. Yeah Okay All Right. Well thank you guys for coming. I just want to say that this is part of a week long event. We are already two days into it at the time of doing this Kind of Fun House. Week longtime coming it all. It took a global pandemic breast actually execute on. What has been a pretty simple thing right at the time coordination but still just getting together to do it where this whole week. We're just doing. Collaboration content You guys are appearing in our stuff where appearing in your stuff and it's just a big. It's Super Fun. It's the kind of stuff that we wish we did. Way More of So there's there's a bunch of stuff we have a family feud that's coming to whole rhymes. I've forgotten legally legally work. We can only call it a few court. We put funnies thumbnails on trial. We managed to figure out how to play. Mario Party online despite it having online absolute barren online feature Is How that was going to go down that it went it went. It went down. Okay yeah it was down but we're having a blast doing a bunch of stuff that dateline United Kinda. Kf WE KF. Adam was on the show this morning I regret it was Kinda Funny Games. Daily youtubecom Kinda Funny Games. Now here's only say real quick is usually I do a whole bit about asking you to come and do this stuff actually? I'm only doing this today. 'cause I'm trying to pit us against each other internally where there's you dot com slash kind of funny in YouTube dot com slash kind of funny games and I've been on a crusade lately because I noticed that kind of funny has more subs than kind of funny games. Which doesn't make any sense because we're famous video games. And since I've gone on this crusade ask people to please go subject. Youtubecom kind of funny games somehow youtubecom slash kind of funny has gone up so now. I need to reach outside of our own community in come to your community fund housing. Ask You please just go subscribe to you to kind. Funny gives you never have to watch the shows. I don't care she's getting a number higher so I can rub it Nikki. Myspace Greg like why like. Why do you think that is are there certain shows that are exclusive twenty and the other that you think are? I mean you look at the numbers on YouTube dot com slash. Kind of funny and they are awful. Just God awful. You know what I mean so. I don't know what people are subbing for. I don't know what they think they're going to get there. They must think that we're on the ropes. We'RE GONNA GET BOUGHT OUT BY TBS SOON YOU'RE GONNA get some real content bear. I don't know why millions more game let's go. I don't WanNa make a news. Just being shorter put into the discord. The photo of me look like Johnston if we could bring that up in any moment I know this production another some real quick real quick the image you put in that. Isn't you nothing like John is now and then like now? The thing is now production can of course using the technology. You guys have going. They're mad at. It may point out. This is a slack that you sent to Greg August twenty first two thousand seventeen where you said. Does this look like me. So you're already you already fishing. Yeah Yeah you you let it there. I've made been doing that but would you all need to understand. This is where John Snow was was dead where we all thought he was dead. Spoilers as people haven't seen it they don't know some people were watching the show up until season five there got it and that may have been okay well militant. He was sleeping then he was sleeping in this scene. Got and And it's a. It's a artist it's Zuma this shot and I'm sitting there the TV. I and I have this weird moment of disconnection from my own human body where I go home. Is that me and I had to frame shot I had to. I had to screen shot it and then I just I had to put it into the world and I asked Greg and he said yes. I said it's Jon Snow. Greg what do you think about that? I mean you nailed it. You know what I mean the thing of what I'm proud of you is. I think you could show me glasses off my nose to IRA and I don't think I'd be able to identify my own with my eyes closed like this. You saw this on TV. We're like that's me. I'm the Hong Cart throb of the show. I really freaked me out for me. Understand so eleven to slack. Andy Acids this look like me and Greg said yes. Andy said it's John. It also if you look. It's all at eleven thirty nine by the most important thing that could possibly happen. Slap the Obama the also. The best thing about this is. I'm not I don't WANNA put words in your Mouth Greg. But it's that almost certainly was you typing. Yes leading out CY. He said this business. Now he goes Jon snow. Gotcha it's true Maguire. Well joy have a you guys on this show I would also make sure I will. Black THROWS US. Make sure women are sponsors? Meant mobile and Nami. We're going to hear more from them later on show Yes it's a pleasure having you guys on. It's a week of all weeks. I am so high. We come all the fun. We should do it. We don't to wait for another pandemic owning to wait for another year. Let's do it again while also timed out really well because I actually. This isn't just we can just shoot the ship but I have news. There's there's a perfect reason to have andy on the sandy baby doe telling we were talking about sherlock later. Snyder cut greg. I'm sure you've already expelled. Ensure eve already expounded on your thoughts and your excitement but I wanted here. I want to get it firsthand. How does funding that? It took this long for the Justice League to get justice. But it's here that he is in gem okay. In title writer for a wrong has been righted by the universe and I for one am happy to see. Wbz come to their senses. I am happy to see. Hbo Max do the right thing. I'm happy to see Zach Snyder. Be The bigger man because think about this ring a Ding Ding Schneider. He answers the phone and IT'S WBZ. Were there and they're like. Hey we like to give you money and fix this. He could have said you know what we can curse in the show right buck. Yeah you can. You can burn in hell all right. You did me dirty with this. Weeden cut and I'm not gonNA hear instead of vision a vision and I'm GonNa let it I'm gonNA execute it on it for you people I i. that's what it's about. What am I favored things leading up to? All of this is I just imagined I imagined I put myself in the body of Ben Affleck right with this beautiful back. Tattoo that you all womb see later on this week and there was a week where all of the stars of Justice League were just tweeting out. Hashtag released the Snyder cut and we and we see memo tweeted out and we see Gal Gadot tweeted out but then Ben Affleck tweeted it out and I couldn't imagine anybody who wanted a tweet that out less like why. Why on Earth would he like? You've got to imagine that he was the last one is sort of agree to this. And just fine. Fuck it okay. I'll tweet out the stupid thing for this movie that nobody cares about you. Know except Greg Greg. Yeah me in clearly millions Andy. Banesto thing is. I'm sorry if you could just shut up James. It's like this. This is the best part about it. Is that all of you clown shoes or see. Heaton Marvel Fan. Boys thought we were done. You thought we were dead. But just like Superman. Put BACK INTO THE WATER. Tony ship in downtown metropolis. A mother boxes reignited the DC EU. And it is a fever sweeping the nation you know to. This is the real pandemic here. All right we are infecting Hartson Martin's every day out there make people care David Air. Like yeah. Let's get a suicide squad cut. What will this lead to will we justice league completed in the vision he wanted? Then we get Justice League to come to theaters. We cavill suit up for it again. Will they pay me to animated movie? Will they prepared to comic book? What's going to happen? Nobody knows but I'm along for the ride cast great. That's what we this is a great show. Thank you guys are you. Will you be able to watch this objectively Greg? A 'cause if you didn't know objectively I don't like the EU. It's People have as a DC fan boy so many people have put it on me that I love. Dc You and all these different things. I don't they made a lot of choices. I never would have made so yeah. I can objectively watch. The the problem with all comes back to Batman v Superman. Which is that. I left the movie theater going all right. That was a fun movie. It's again not what I would do with any of these characters. But they did it and they went this way and coming out and going. That was the worst movie I've ever seen. That is the worst movie of all time. Immune going it's not the worst of all time and then the huge debate raging in the so over time. It's gone from me saying it's not the worst movie of all time to me being. It's the greatest movie of all time but it is more back towards the other way but it's just like whatever I you know. I mean jokes and bits and someone wrestling personas you. You're the one where you champion. I totally get it. Because I am a proponent of wonder woman in that I enjoyed that movie. I don't think it's an amazing movie but I I had A. I have a good time watching it. And people you know took that with hyper hyperbole and they elevated to at least loves wonder woman and I'm like no I just same with I enjoy justice league like I saw at once and I had a good time watching it see and that's where comes back to is like I hate just ously can say and I hate it because I mean. Obviously it's a Frankenstein of two different movies in two dozen make sense but then there is a part of it like it all I. This is such a long conversation I take the whole show and he just turn off your camera. Now please One one on Greg. It's the problem is Goo- wbz going accident or all right. Cool you make man of steel. That was great. What else can you do in expanding of this entire grand roadmap? That was well. That'll build the Batman. V Superman which sets up the entire DC. You which then. I'll suicide squad will have this. That will tie into justice. League's part one and part two. It will in then for that to come out and wonder woman commanded. I'll be part of it. For that to be established. Wbz Be like okay to let them get. At least two and a half of those films made three. If you count. Suicide Squad was actually done one way and then redone. They be the other way. Is this idea. The people I dislike the most are the executive. Wb who looked at The metacritic and rotten tomatoes in fan reactions. Oh God they Hayden. Let's rather than cancel these movies and let somebody else take them over. Let's try to mishmash them in. Make them something good. Which even if you hate. What Zach Snyder did? That's not going to lead to a better movie right. That's GONNA lead to a better universe where it's cool suicide squad when you watch now is is nonsense and it's because they had to take all the references that were building into this dark side. World Justice League becoming of apocalypse. They were trying to build this universe with that in mind when you rip that out that movie becomes even worse than probably would've been anyway and that's the thing so many people have Like oh man. Great now Justice League's going to be four hours long. It's still garbage and it's like hey man it might still be bad but it's no way going to be as bad as justice. League is to me now to me. I don't know other people. WanNa love it or whatever I understand but it's not my deal I before I truly give our opinions on this. I want to disclose that. We are technically Warner media disclosed. That so that way you're coming. I just WanNa make with that. Because of the way corporation Shakeout we are wondering media. Employees are now go ahead elise. Yeah it's a stinker and let's just say They didn't earn the Justice League. Now that's the problem and it's a shame because like we always say it would have been great if you had gotten all these Aquaman Justice League. You've gotten that movie will yeah gotten you know. That's the big difference like like both of you are saying an Andy's not saying anything but like both of you were saying when you want to talk about Lord of the Rings you'll come off the bench. We'll get there. Is that at least? The del Toro cut it felt like the executives were pivoting based off whatever? The temperature was in the room at that exact moment. Yeah and they were also they would making all these decisions while looking across the yard to marvel the up so they were like. Oh we should do that. I think I think the first offenders movie would suck really really bad to if it's just what ironman one ironman to of vendors if that was all you had and then it was like now go and also then you had to not only that but then you made ironman to not only the kind of Shitty Prequel to avengers. But it was also captain America's movie and it was also doors movie all at the same time it would be. It would be bad like there's no way and that's I'm with you greg. I saw I. I'm a fan of Manas seal island actually actually really like it. I think the score is great. I think Henry Cavill is stellar superman. And it's an I'm not like like unlike you. I'm not even like a big superman fan. I always lean more towards Batman. I like Superman stories. Were there like the. My favorite superman stories are the ones they're like. This is so unlike superman red son or anything where even injustice. Yes stuff like that. Mike that stuff is cool because it takes out of that really lame character pseudo lane character and so man of steel was like okay. He still that like hero but he has an edge to him. He's there's there's something right. Greg goes a dimension right. Greg is so happy right now. It's the haters like you that WanNa tear down and just let us enjoy something you know what? I mean Gossard. Things don't lineup as Zach Snyder. Fan In general. I'm just whatever it is that like false mccheese SMO- of his films. I love it. Speaks to me on a spiritual level so man of steel. I was like yeah. Give me more this. I'm for this than Batman. V Superman. I honestly think there's a good movie in there. I the only problem is I started getting bored. While watching his criticizing. It's the extended cut thighs. This extended the extended version. I own it I when that movie came out I was like I'm buying it. I'm going to watch expanded version at least the extended version answers questions. Like why are they playing blaming him for Melissa? Shooting it into those questions. But then you're also watching your like. Why are those questions in the movie in the first place when we reviewed the Batman interview or we did a these review reviewing we were in the extended cut my had never fully watched Batman Versus Superman? So of course expectations going in. This is going to be a shit show. This is going to be the worst movie of all time. Like suicide squad level bad but watching the extended cut that that being my actual I like beginning to end complete experience. I walked away thinking like Dan. That was Kinda cool. Like the the the The scene in court with the bombing and everything else like this really cool ideas here is my favorite. That's my favorite moment. Any superhero film ever made is after the bomb goes off and then it cuts to superman with the flames all around the burning ash of the of the Congress and all the dead bodies and he looks over to where the wheelchair was and he just goes missed it like he just one nonverbal reaction and I'm like that is the goosebumps cigarette Mike Man. That's such a superman moment. And it's in that movie so to say that it's worthless is is just objectively wrong. My favorite DC moment. Please tell me it's it's injustice. I'm and tricks when Cheered in the theater when I saw its when Superman abandons everyone but then during the pig file fight he shows up again to everyone's reactions and it cuts to Ben Affleck and he That I think I clapped and cheered when I thought I thought it was so funny. Yeah Yeah so so Batman v Superman my opinion on like that movie feels so bloated and kind of like did because in the midst of it felt like a lot of things were happening. It was supposed to shoot there were there. Were a lot of things out there. Supposed to be a sequel demand steal. It also felt like Zach. Snyder had a feeling that this is going to be as one shot to make a Batman movie so he basically made a Batman movie inside a superman sequel and they were pushing him to make the would could be justice league without any other setup and it just had to immediate so the whole scene with her on the laptop wonder woman on the Laptop Finding the Justice League protocol at like Flash Dot e. e and LEX went through and it had a graphic designer. Make them all like logos for Oregon. Knock-on it's so hard to watch but it also in the same movie as that cool shit the point when those cops catch. Batman and he's just make doing tear. Branding people is all zone and I know I know the fight scene that they have at the end of the movie comes to kind of like a weird end by and I also know they basically stole the storyboards from Dark Knight Dark Knight returns. But it's still super cool to see on screen and in motion and it's really spectacular and a lot. Well that's the thing about Snyder movies. That people always talk about right. Is that there's so much Style maybe not that much substance right and I mean that was the thing of even coming off maintenance seal movie. I didn't love in I. I've come to appreciate more over time. But I remember being when they put out those first images from comecon when they hall each stuff and it was AFLAC in the giant metal. Armored Bats with the light and then superman just appearing up there in the light you're like Holy Shit. I couldn't believe I've seen that. You know somebody who'd never thought he's going to get around to seeing Batman assuming that same movie a here's like shot pulled from the comics. Pretty much just incredible. Yeah even even the opening when when catch think there's so many great moments. Batmans is Batman's assault on. The warehouse is one of the best best film Batman Moments. I think I've seen any movie. And then also in the opening when they're showing what happened in metropolis nevarez running away. And Bruce Wayne's runs into the you're like Holy Shit and honestly I thought Ben Affleck was a pretty good pretty good Batman. Bruce Wayne is pretty solid again. The problem I have with everything the way it all went down is that in. This sounds weird but stick with me. I feel with great talking like he was a part of all of this. Look at this look. When I was a part of it I was in the boardroom. I tried to stop them but they wouldn't know. It reminds me a lot of xbox one where the xbox one launch in messaging and when they got climbed by playstation that it ye three right. Rather what I've always said is I love to see the alternate universe where rather than flip-flop change it over. Make it more like A. Ps three or four Do all these different things. The xbox one would've said no we have a vision. We understand. You don't agree with their like but we're GONNA prove to you why this is a good thing. They didn't they flip flop. They were never able to catch up to. Ps Four right. I feel like it's the same thing with wbz in this thing. Where even if it I would have done if I was there and had any say or whatever and it was like man. People hate these movies and I was like well. We can rip all these references out. We can bring in Joss. I'd be like no. Let's just get in front of it and be like cool off. We're still going to make Justice League justly partout in Zach Senators way. But we're gonNA tell everybody that's it that's the end of the EU. We were doing thing. It's a look at a universe we're done and then we can go and do whatever we want with it from there rather than this dating. It's the same thing where they didn't believe in their vision. I don't know where that starts or ends. You know what I mean like. If it was just Zach. Senator saying all this stuff and they're like yeah sure. Sure sure and then nobody ever did it. Or if there was some W it's reactionary to marvel stuff. We've talked about before like I think it's just them seeing regretting not being more like marvel and then trying to just totally. Let's change the whole tone people like in this let's change it and make it more snappy and and you know quirk that was the whole argument from the beginning right with what man of steel was. Is that Manziel? Was a reaction of what superheroes really existed in our world in so it wasn't meant to be the com- Marvel Marvel obviously. Mc is fucking fantastic. The nail the fact that these are comic books come to life and if DC was to go do that whole thing I think the argument was what would separate us from marvel. Will we always be second banana? So people love the Nolan films. It grounded Batman. What if we tried to make a grounded Superhero Universe right and I think that's what's interesting about may steal like you're talking about the themes that wrestles with where you know as long as I've been alive I've been superman fan and I've never heard Jonathan can't say maybe you shouldn't have saved those people which you know he does it. Kevin Costner does man of steel because he is very much like carbon people find out about. You'RE GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD. You're not just in the good way you're gonNA change it in a way of like. What does that mean for religion? What does that mean for? Anything liens are among us and a unique take. You don't see wrestled with right like I mean you look at the Christopher Reeve movies right and my favorite always superman for not my favorite movie. My favorite moment superman four quest for peace where superman walks into the UN gets to the podium Intel's all the leaders of the free world. I'm taking away your weapons in. Everybody STANDS UP INTO PLOTS. It'd be like we know motherfucker. This alien taking away all their weapons. Why are we done for this? I I would like to think that Kevin Costner would have been better dad to Clark Kent then Clark Kent Dad and I think that's what they need to Redo. Greg is put Kevin Costner as the dad. Really it in reality. Yeah Real is adopted that Greg. Now go in there and be like no you have to say these b-be better dude resales. It's difficult to compare marvel and DC because there are so many problems plaguing fee income in comparison. They didn't have Kevin Fiji as architect. they didn't have a centralized voice speaking for this entire one hundred percent. It's outrageous I feel if they haven't done that yet and I know there's been you know Jim Lehrer Scott Steiner like these names Jacob. You'd go there and they don't seem to have any power and I don't know what the fact even now that like if you in granted now being different time but I mean pre cove and everything else going to hell it would never was like. Hey we understand. We're pivoting or doing this. It was all of a sudden. I cool The DC you still exist but like we're probably not going to have the movies crossover anymore. It's like wondering what's going to happen though being how. Come into cyborg flash. That's all happening. We're also making a joke movie in our making a Batman movie and it's like what is the vision like we've progressed to If somebody did a we just did Jane. Salad Bob Strike. Back in review one of the shows we do where we watched a movie bottom and like for somebody who grew up reading wizard magazine right and seeing the Nicholas Cage. Superman movie fail hearing rumors? All the time of Justice League movie and never seen come to fruition the fact that we live in a time now where one of the biggest movies in the world right can come out and be like okay. Their time traveling and this is how alternate realities work and alternate timelines. Changing fundamentally the way you the movie goer in a complicated way. Think about time travel. It's not like back to the future. It's like this in genuine and visited my family back in the burbs of Chicago in like my cousin. Who's the mother of two? Let's go see this. And she knew it all she was down she understood and she understood of injuries like audiences are smart enough now for you to be like cool. We're doing DC black label just like the comic books. That's GonNa be the joker if you see that before you understand you're getting out of universe this is happening in. We're also nothing this slate of things. Lucy James says hi everybody you shops. They don't know who you are Sushi's fan really hot in here. And then we do. Kevin Smith and review obviously subject matter gets dicey so my wife comes. Close the windows. So they don't have to hear me screaming about all the horrible things get swept up. Can I say to your point though about like DC black embracing embracing this alicarte style? I think that's the way to go for DC. Personally I think you you don't try to do a connected universe do alicarte you pull from different. Inspirations and you you can do can still do those big justice league a level like collaborations but you just don't set them up. You just make a movie where the assumption is that people know who these characters are. You don't need to spend half the movie set up. They're just they're just in whatever conflict there in And it's happening in this. Is it like do it? Be Be brave with your movies and audiences will thank you for it. Yeah I think I think that you know ever goes well. Let's look how much money marbles making except name one other thing that succeeded that way like there's now we're at the point where it's just. It's just a pile of dead cinematic universe. The Qadis cinematic was the conjuring as the artists. Come close you close. We had gotten that one movie that failed before it even began as much as it breaks heart conjuring universes the only thing that has come close to doing any like the marvel conjuring movies nail. Exactly what you're talking about where it is. You can go into any of those movies in not no. They're tied to the contrary universe still enjoy it and have fun and then if you like we just watched and either one the scary stories from when were kid you don't we. We watched her in and it was a thing of like. They're watching there. The debate of like wait is this in the country. I think it is. I can't remember. I knew there was something and then like a free showed up. Jen was like Oh. That's the guy. Is it sure as shit? It was like all right awesome cool. How many sheet always right. There's a ton. Yeah so really re antlers three Annabel's three Annabel's are to conjuring a lot of movies. I'll never see to Uconn let's do. Let's do skaters on the none. So at least seven and unto Greenland. Andy Can I ask how many times you shouted Diablo watching watching your? I never watched on. I never will ever to watch him because they don't use me unless you watch you watch party Scary Movie Watch party. I don't WanNa Watch okay. They'll put on there. Why would I want to evoke that feeling in my heart? He don't like makes you feel alive. Well I I just I. I think the interesting thing ever touched on is like this fan. The Fan reaction is kind of how we got into this situation. The first place. It seems like we are at least somewhat in agreement that like the constant pivoting the constantly trying to please people. That aren't even there to watch your stuff. Now it's funny because ironically. This is how we've ended up with a snyder cut. Right is just listening now again again. We're just listening to the the loudest voices no offense to graduate but like Nike. You know and also I think there's also funny discussion to be had about the whole you know released. The Snyder cut as though it's waiting to someone actually where the cut collider posted that. It's probably going to be finished. It has to be finished in. Assemble the reasons going to take about a years worth time and twenty to thirty million dollars of production. Make to turn turn what was left into something coherent which is fine. I'm fine with that happening and I actually. I'm excited to see it but it's funny the idea the mentality of how far removed you can be from our process that these people can just say. Release the Snyder Cut. When the truth of the matter is there is no snyder cut because they made a different movie instead halfway through and now they need to. They didn't finish all the effect. Schanzer stuff yet to make it exist. It's just funny to think like those Greg. You know what you're talking about but it's funny to think that most of the people matter they have they have no concept of that so it's like why would you even consider their opinion. You're making your decisions about what to do in this quote here. Yellow that Henry Cavill. Yeah I was GONNA say the most important thing is what did Henry cavill think well. Of course. That's that's my barometer for life. I feel accused my moral center. Yeah yeah well. He said he said on a zoom call brought to you by Vero because Zach. Snyder is the only would being on. Vero SAYS LADIES AND GENTS. It finally happened. The Snyder cut will be out next year. Now I know there have been two camps over the whole Snyder. Cut thing whether it will ever happen for a while Just remember we all have more Justice League. Now it's a win win so be nice to each other wiki phase. Big congratulations to you Mr Snider. Can I just say it's sad state of things when the wake of re kind of a movie being made someone has to say be nice to each other like that's that's a little? It was the set any perspectives. You know it was the fact of how dirty the Hashtag got for awhile right where it was being used as anything is on the Internet. Right where I'm sure you got it to where you know somebody claiming to be WANNA year fans goes out and does something horrible in your name attack. Some Talk Shit does whatever and you know. This isn't what your new and there were people who were like super aggressive with release Snyder. Cut in the You know privilege. I'm going to be an ASSHOLE JACKASS WAY. Not In the way of bought mainly using it as a joke but also being like I wanna see what he would have thought. I want to see what he would have done right and I do think that I get fucked up the WB treated this way but not to the point where I would fucking call. Wbz exacts Harass him on twitter? I mean Shit like that like the horrible stuff I saw a great tweet Sort of regarding the David Haircut of like David Air says that there is an air cut for suicide squad and then I feel like in made into more Hussein. I forgot who exactly was but they said You know there's there's actually a different cut for every movie ever made and it's so true like I. I I feel like suicide squad is probably my least favorite movie of all time Walking out of the theater and legitimately feeling regret and like anger and I've never really felt that leaving a theater. Sometimes I'm like house find or whatever but this one I sat by Carlsberg Faulk. That was terrible dude slipknot. Yeah I really I I feel like they did slipknot dirty. Yeah found out about that van. And he doesn't get a title card. That shows is good for you. She is now long for this world. Yeah but I like David Air I. I would rather not hear what you have to say about. I know we'll get into this week but they're much. 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What bothers me is that made a billion dollars something so what bothers me like also bothers you or is it that at one and Oscar. Yeah I mean it's one of those it was like. Whoa Yes for makeup right as da which gave her that. Yeah that's the thing. That is the thing too because we watched Justice League in okay of all these of all these demands. You're watching this and from scene to scene you're being ripped from one tone to another toned and now you're with a Russian family and that is it is jarring so great joke from a Flash Right. Or is DAS. Skiing runs away like any guy and your your whole time. You're like what is the point of this end. So there's that aspect of it where you're like okay. I think people are saying is like we just want one coherent vision for this product. Suicide Squad while incoherent. I feel like there's no way to get a coherent product out of it like there's obviously stuff that's missing. It's obvious that they had to make changes. But the initial vision for still involved. Tattooing damage done jokers forehead like in some ways. It became the true coherent. Been even if that's not what they realized it was going to be when they first working on it. I boiled down to individual or corporation where you know if you have any kind of device split between an Individual Inc. the individual is always going to be the good guy. Corporation is always going to be seen as the bad guy. And you get that with film studios and directors all the time where it's like. Well no the studio was holding. The the distributor was holding them back sex holding them back from their true vision. It's always the band against the record. Label sort of thing. Yeah absolutely again and I got these narratives get created for. It's like a whole no this director. They would have made their efficient if only they had had for rain. And I don't know that that's always the case I don't think it is. I feel like a lot of fan. Bases want to fantasize. There's a a nine or ten of ten movie out there somewhere but it could just be that like maybe it was just doomed for the doomed from the start like. I think we've seen a lot of movies that have really interesting characters with fun dynamics. That aren't good movies like that can exist. And I wish suicide squad was at least that where I can enjoy the back and forth between all these really charismatic characters and their and their little silly one liners or whatever but the movie can still be bad and I think that's okay but suicide squad I feel like doesn't have anything redeemable about it like at all except for fire. The fire guy in his family album really bad. I don't man favorite thing about two suicide squad are the incongruency of just the plot like so they start. Diablo's basically everything of character you can like pinpoint and be like where do they destroy their own arc or where it is the logical fallacy. Fall in their Diablo's is the best. Because they're like you know he was just a guy who had a skull tattooed on his face but he loved his family and when he's describing for his family it shows them slapping his wife on the ass and then and then he goes and then he goes until one day he accidentally got heated and burn the whole house down. And that's when he vowed never to use his powers again and then the that you go to later on in the movie and they're showing him in the prison yard burning a bunch of guys. I said he'd never did that. Killer crock. Who's like a whole movie. He's waiting around. He's just way the there's water down here. Only one person can do it and then and then Caracas you get bt. And I'll do it and then he dives into the water the next time you see him. He's getting choked up by enemy. Bad Guy like he's losing the underwater fight and then one of the cat in flag soldiers is the one who says the up failed it his old. They Dad's love. I will say that spot is probably easier for me to watch than some other movies. Because it's it's like watching. It's like watching a music video like ninety s music video chur like. I think that me out the most was that I loved the trailer. They had that Queen Song. Yeah and it was fastened for network and I was like dude. We're getting we're DC's finally making their version of Guardians of the galaxy. And I love Guardians. Because it's like the all the humor is right up my alley. It's totally what I'm into and like it could have been that I had my hope set way too high at which is like weird to say. But I've never been. I guess I've never been a huge. I never knew what to get out of a DC movie. Like I never went into DC movie thinking this is going to be a Bangor right here but after that trailer I thought God I think they did it. They finally found the Right Chemistry. And it just failed on like every aspect for me. Yeah I for me. Aquaman is probably the top of the DC. I thoroughly toy that movie and it so stupid. It's it's the one movie than knows the right time to wear. Like Kinda like take non rated special get Jackson. I'd say I'd say Zam Zaman in a being my my number one 'cause I feel like they. They went obviously. The tone went a little bit younger and felt like just a fun. Family film would still some like adult humor every once in a while. I feel like it was the the safest way to go. And they nailed it. Zam Zam number two some number two favorite Superhero cinematic moment which is when they're fighting with mark strong and him are fighting and then mark strong starts talking threatening him and then it cuts dishes. Am records a mile away? And it's just what really someone who is seen enough of these movies and asked this question every single time. Yeah really really good at speaking of Mark Sean. The least taken away too many roles from Stanley. Tucci Andy. We're talking about this recently. Because you know. I have the to. She has a family with strong. Because I feel like Stanley. Tucci was coming up in a mark strong. Come to the game. He says taking your role stage. Yeah there's the Stanley to already established. Though right I agree you know what performances would we have gotten from the to if it's not marketing is the more intimidate Stanley? Tucci is the mind. Strong is the body intimidate. Whatever Greg can you refresh your page? I guess I have refreshed. My page is a better night. He's he's back. Hello I think. Expect you need to reset anything. I think it should be okay. We're good receive the last strong printer. Bookmark and other stuff that we could. We were supposed to talk about today. We have plenty time but it rolling. I don't know any final thoughts on this snyder cut. I'm excited does my file thoughts anyone else regardless of the movies. Good or bad. We're in for a great year of just hearing people talk about this seeing things of it seeing Joe and then if it comes out and it's it flips the other way where it comes out and it is horrible. It is objectively terrible. Then everybody gets to fucking Shit over the people that are now shitting on all the people so everybody gets the winningest. I am excited just to see I mean Lord knows I love an update like whenever I'm just GonNa like compare the stick to technology whenever there's a new update twitter or something and everybody fucking hates it. I'm always really interested in it because I love seeing Like just visual change in aesthetic changes and for this. It's like I wanna see what what story differences there would be an it would dark side pop-up. We've already heard that. Who was confirmed as the actor? Greg who said like yeah. I was dark sat in this cut on that too. Oh the Mount. I forget cut from everything I did. I saw that story to for me I I waffled because I feel like sometimes this can establish a dangerous precedent and it can activate toxic phantoms. That you know it just being able to go back to director movie and be like well you know you need to re cut this. Casale get get rose tico out of this movie reporter Yes exactly. It could be like a little bit dangerous. But I'm Kinda with Gregg on this. I'm like yeah baby. Let right aiming to all the discourse I think if you treat it right. Respectfully it's fun you know it's just more of of we're getting deals talk about getting DLC alternate endings have perspective realize real. People are involved. Yeah I agree well. I'm excited to see it. I can't wait to see if this is feels like this is overwhelming for you and it's too much. Well you might WANNA check out Nami right now especially right now. It's important to do things that help us cope and maintain perspective on. What's going on in the world? 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He's very brooding The actual premise is in sherlock holmes. Chapter one plays the titular character who returns to his hometown. Following his mother's death will exploring the open world of the Mediterranean island town where he from combs from He will learn that this seemingly quiet setting and its residents. Have something to hide. It's your classic ever watch the BBC small town murders. Were there like a young boy was murdered. And now they're sending in a guy from London to come in there and we're just a small town. I just own a Motor Hotel. That has three bedrooms. And whatever and by the end of the series that's only like three episodes long because it's BBC. Is You find out that everyone in that town had a secret that DIJANA anyway does like? They're doing that with Sherlock. At least you excited yes. And I I need to give some clarification here Greg's feelings about Justice League where he's a fan and he's excited for it. I also don't think the Homes Games are the pinnacle of of gaming or or that like you know I don't think top tens and liked them. Yeah and I'd allowed a narrative to be developed myself in the Games for comedic value for you know. We all need your brand. It's my brand And I do really enjoy these games. I do play them So of course. I'm looking forward to it. I was really surprised by the character design. Which is this like emo Goth teenage homes? It's like really strange to look this up. I don't know. Nick has the image but And I notice when I saw the trailer come out I went and I looked at the comments on the video. 'cause I was like is anyone else by this path and sure enough. The comments were like this character. Design is unexpected thing. They said the same thing like I said they said the same thing about Dante. Emc is my favorite of the series. He was a haughty. Yeah yeah he haughty beefcake. I think this is interesting coming off of. I don't actually know how it all resolved with. Remember Frog. Wears was having like all the games pulled because they were losing the license and so I actually need to kind of dive into that and see where that it turns out. They lost the license to adult shark homes so they have to show. It's kind of like you know you can. It's easy to get the license to MUPPET BABIES. But Not muppets adult. Because they're apparently different things. That's all made up. The remarkable thing too is if you toward the end of the Sherlock series. He started looking exactly like Jon Hamm. Yeah really really weird and now. I guess he looks more like he was like Dylan. Mcdermott I thought. It was like the guy who sings in the panic at the disco brandon. Oh Hey on panic. I thought that's already always performance host. One guy he only knows he's always at the Bisco. I I always wanted to give into the TV show and I know a lot of love the TV show. Like I don't want those fans to get to attack me here okay guys. I'm very defensive right but every time. A clip of that show goes of our on twitter. It's always fucking awful and I don't like and it makes me think this show just battered. Do People like it. Ironically in or is it good well first of all it's not a TV show and anyone that says it is is wrong. It's a series of films because they're like. Oh did you watch the recent season of Sherlock and I'm like you mean. The three episodes season of which each episode was two hours and forty-five minutes. You know like like so. It's always funny when people got a TV show just goes on TV. But yeah it's cheesy. I think I watched the first season and then kind of tapped out. People think that they also think that I love all things Sherlock Holmes they think. I love the the benedict cover. Art Show they think I love Robert. Downey junior movies. Now I liked. I liked the original reciting complete works on but I can kind of the movies unlike like whatever the show. I can kind of take or leave. you can't. You can't sort of said that that narrative out there like Greg at one point said on like three different shows that I was really really really he loves and it's just become an ice like to this day I still get tweets from fans that aren't super connected to kind of funny but we'll watch every once in a while and I'll get links to different gun. Pla A Gumbo right. So let's know or whatever fan faith that I it was it was doing life three dollars making a Gundem t shirt. I was designing a gun and t shirt like for about a week. I had all this different reference on my screens and Greg would walk by we so then on the next couple of shows greg would say well who knows what the fuck. Andy's he's guns all Goddamn Day and then that just became the narrative so I get tweets like and building a new model like check this out. It's like guys like I do really really like Mecca. Likes you know that the culture I guess. But I'm not like I. I'm not up to date on the latest gundem series. I'm so if you would read the tweets the people are sending you. You'd be up to on the latest gun such a fraud now dude. That's my narrative to feel like the having steep at the lower people people want to make you one dimensional because it's easier for them to like put you in a compartment. It'd be like okay. Andy's The gun guy. Greg's the Superman Batman guy like. Yeah I feel like that happens every once in a while like but I think we to our cells say to myself. I can't really we definitely do Atari ourselves where we create these like stupid narratives. We had a we had. Let's play show called party mode that I edited and then the other day we were playing Predator hunting grounds and somewhere along the line. Someone said them. Knicks are nickel. Fuck Tim I can't believe he canceled party mode. And like that's not true at all but then everybody just started running with the fact that will fucking Tim. He can't Karen Party mode man. Yeah so it's just we do it to ourselves. I BLAME NOBODY BUT US. You know someone mentioned. It's it's like sky around with guns in front of Adam. I can see him like a little bit. Like there's a sharp him inside the chips away a little bit more crystal. Yeah I was wondering what that reference was because I we record the. Let's play together and at the end there were several comments that were like oh it really was explained with gun and now it's like. Oh okay that makes sense now makes it much game. Was He referring to he? Far Cry Artery E or three. I think three three three. Right advocate box cutters. Something him saying. It's like scaring with guns. Think I think it was far cry. Three and it's just followed him to allow But it's Skyro- with blank. Yeah it was just became a guy that so like it's becoming the new like souls but he loves thing is he loves. Yeah it's like it's like Gundem's with a blank love since you'd love it. You love to hear that kind of stuff absolutely about gums. I have one last thing that I want to get your guys feedback on and then Andy. This is Andy Story. Kfc is trying out a new chicken sandwich about this any. I didn't know about those you didn't know about this. You're such a huge chicken sandwich guy that I would have thought seriously Since you eat chicken rapper. Because maybe I don't like sandwiches narrative coming so according to CNN KFC has begun testing a new premium. Chicken Sandwich in Orlando Florida. Good luck with that. The fast food chain which has chicken in its name has surprised new found itself playing catch up against rivals. Cha rival Chen sandwiches. Now didn't they didn't see that one. There Popeye's chick-fil-a McDonalds have tantalizing have tantalized. Customers taste buds with new takes on the classic Sandwich. So they're trying up their sandwich. Game Get a new chicken sandwich. How can you make it better well? Andrea who men's ski. Kfc's chief marketing officer talked about food in a way have never read before she said it boasts an upgrade of every single component. It includes a chicken fillet. That's twenty percent larger. Some has him cook or Steve Jobs as it has thicker pickles and a new type of gun to quote hugged in the right west pickle and Bunn hug yeah seek pico bone. Hugs up yet that on the box there you go so. I don't know Andy some better to you know it doesn't and I'll tell you why I'm not a the chicken spicy doesn't just. Is it? Just a regular chicken thing or is it. Is there a lot of spicer? I think it's I think it's just. This is just a regular chicken sandwich. I'm on this trying to go against Popeye's and chick. Yeah I I'm out I'm out. I'm not a huge fan of sandwiches guys. If you're gonNA give me something to between bread. I wanted to be a hamburger. Patty mum but when it comes to sandwiches or chicken sandwiches in general there's a place that open up That Greg's been talking about that served sort of that. Hattie B.'s. Kind of Louisiana Style. Hot shot hot chicken. Yeah which is like. I'm a huge fan of just a hot chicken but whenever these places sandwiches like I'll just take the buns off. I just want the chicken alone. A mouth-watering talking about him so younger you're chicken you're saying. Kfc should sell a hamburger sales. She just sell fried chicken which they do and around ask you. How often do you go to? Kfc Interesting I've been you know what I've been Uber. Eating a lot of Popeye's recently Side of the equation the problem. They've got some really really good Chicken TENDERS EVERYBODY. Cajun contenders sure ever heard of it. Look at him. I mean yeah I have yeah. I'm so hungry right. I'm just thinking about mood like I again sandwiches. Just don't do it for me. Unfortunately and I don't know why a lot of funny community believes otherwise so not such so a lot of people Sort of Flamy for that. Like how did you not just grow up eating ham sandwiches or Turkey sandwiches and I think it's because of my culture and where I grew up where like if I want to eat something quick for lunch. It would just be a tortilla with butter or beans or potatoes like it was all just like I want to. I don't want to say because I know Greg gets real horny when I say when I rolled the RS and stuff when I get when I get a little at the end. Just put some month on at some butter some. Papa some pretty hall you know what I mean like. That's where that's my sort of jam. And that's not I think are the pickles pickled not pickles. No thick big unfortunately but that was my version of a quick lunch. You know when people say throw together a sandwich for me was it was like Tacos or whatever you know so I never. I never indulged with that. I'm going to add go to friends. Houses and I was always weird. 'cause they always had like just ham sandwiches. I'M GONNA make a little sandwich fog. I guess I'll eat the sandwich but I never. Did you ever have wonder red in your home? I don't think so. No I don't think so. I don't like about this what I don't like about this is whenever this comes up. Andy just loves to PLAY THE RACE CARD. All right now you are an adult man. Living in San Francisco eat MAC and cheese. He's never had Mac and cheese in now he just refuses to eat it. Try Your ordering. Bob Is just order. Sa- MAC and cheese from Popeye's they have really good mashed potatoes by the way at really good to and we order you some Mac and cheese. It's it's it's a as elise at this point. I feel like I wrote with to myself to not eat it okay. This is what we talk about painting ourselves into corners. And you know you become your own caricature. This is the thing Andy decided. He came here. He'd never had a whopper. He'd never had a big Mac. We gave them all that on the livestream and he said no Mac and cheese the hill. I will die even though it's delicious and available everywhere. I still won't do it because I need. You Forgot Greg. You forgot corn dog dog. Either I don't want to yesterday. Joe's frozen corn dogs. Oh Yeah State Fair Fair. Rents is no other the trader. Joe's brand I guess Did Pretty disgusted that I had needed a big macro water but like the thing is I'd go to McDonalds and burger king all the time as a kid but it was always nugget was chicken tenders. It was chicken. Bribe see you the elements and then you put it in a Tortilla man. I haven't had a big Mac in bucking years at least a diet because it's not part of my order. Very Specific Warrior doubled laid out at ten piece. She gets ten piece nuggets with sweet and sour sauce for and she might. She'll get that as a meal she may have to Sunday. Asked for extra chocolate sauce on it. but otherwise should get a diet coke. She GonNa get those fries of it like I said the sweet and sour sauce. She gets double cheeseburger with nothing on it. Wait so what's Burger and on Jons. That's very specific burger. Wait what big MACs very specific kind of burger kind of like the Layout Bun. It's the lettuce. It's the special sauce. It's the Patti it's the cheese it's another Bun than it's another burger with more stuff on it than it's the top of the Bun. Wow I thought that was just there. I thought it was like. Let's get to MacDonald Burger. It's called the big Mac no no. It's very specific sandwich. 'cause when you you don't way willow. So timeout had never had a McDonald's Burger to know you moved here. What yeah not McDonalds at all? While I thought that was just their branding thought I had never now. We'll say the the big MAC that I had. I prefer to way more to the Walker. The Walker has got awful young sponsor. I'm sorry not okay. I never will be now. Yeah Greg Derby Future. We'd on where they would like In elementary school there would be a burger in a bag. I was gave it on. My friends. Have my burger. What did you use? How the fries? Maybe the fried snugs some nuggets going just fries now. Just wow you learn something every day about a big Mac. I can understand like I think you're a kid you eat burger. It's simple it's not. It's never having a McDonald's Burger period. I mean I've had like a probably at this point if I could count if I put a real time clock on it counter like if I had a guy following me everywhere. Every time I ate a enoug- and he chicken look out her. Yeah probably like eight hundred thousand by this point a lot of that's not even including crispy tenders a you know what I was so excited for those at least when they first released Remember this when they over. They called the they were. They were just healthier option chicken selects. They were caught chicken selects and they came out and I was just so disappointed with them. Because I loved whataburger chick up chicken trips so disappointed with the chicken. Select went back to nuggets immediately node. Thanks chick select. Don't select you. You see like you would have been a snack. Wrap Kinda guy based on your preferences McDonalds McDonalds snack. Grab at snack. Wraps for Rojas my go-to which is basically a Tortilla Iraq but it would have basically chicken either fried or grilled chicken strips in it. Was you know it's a tiny dollar so you need Sushi to eat something I'm getting? I'm sorry for getting we and we also need to wrap this up. Here's the thing can't end this show without every time I host. We do the most important news shack follow-up Slash Trivia Nick role that header mount up for more BS. We spent this whole Whole show talking about movies. That may or may not be good. Let's focus on something that is great and we know is great. Okay so mount. Ephraim Maurice is my a segment every time I host. I talk about the upcoming Jared Leto film. 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"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to the Sports. Fix All right. I'm here Tommy by phone. Aaron somewhere in the in the Netherlands somewhere out there. I don't know where he is or what he's doing. He's actually helping a lot here and you're doing a great job. Getting this show edited getting it out on all of our platforms And and in in doing some social media around it so we're going to be back to normal one of these days in all be together in this studio. I don't know that you'll ever be back in the studio these days. Erin. I'll be back in the studio together. We're getting started a little bit late today. And that is a hundred percent my fault. I sort of got locked out of my studio here because I didn't bring my key card to get into the building and nobody's here basically Because all of these places have been abandoned in terms of people during normal working hours. Everybody's working from home and as it turns out that Keycard was right here in the studio. I just didn't bring it with me. I thought I'd lost it anyway. We're in found the card. Were ready to start the show. How Are you today Tommy? I'm doing okay Kevin. My life is an effective as your this morning. This morning was hectic for me. You're right I had to. I had to run an errand and when I got back I was like. Oh my God. Where's my key card and then all hell broke loose after that to try to get somebody here to let me in so I could get back into the studio but we we were able to accomplish it so there you go. There's not much news I I've been doing a lot of what we call sort of makeup segment the days. You know where you have a couple of things here that you've been thinking about for a slow day and you break that out today. Tommy it was. What's your favorite broadcast booth of all time and the only reason it even occurred to me to do it today is because there are odds on the Monday night booth the Monday night. You know you did see that tested tour and Booger McFarland are out. Thank goodness Oh my God what what I mean I actually do like vulgar McFarland like I think. He looks like he was ease. Even Idiot No. He's not an idiot idiot now. He's not an idiot. Got Who came to Washington and said what a Great Job Bruce. Allin was suing that was audit. Well we had any impact. That was an ideology thing to say. But I don't think he's an idiot idiotic thing you could say anything else about that. And he talked about how exciting atmosphere was at Fedex. Field Right. He said that too he did. What in the world you know what? He's sort of an idiot. I actually I actually fans couldn't stand him. I'm I'm a much. I've had a much bigger problem with Joe. Tessa tour. Who to me is a you know? Friday night wack conference play by Mountain West. Play by play guy. That's what he is This this Monday night thing just didn't he just didn't match the moment ever but Louis. I you know what the Monday night thing I used to say is this is ESPN. This is the biggest sports network in the world. And this is the best you can do. You mean all the people that work for you and this is a team you come up with. Yeah I know in. What did they been trying to do? They've been trying to basically peyton manning whatever he wants to do it and he's turned it down. I I tell being honest with you. I don't really care about this stuff that much. I think fans due to a certain degree the Monday night game is a game that I will watch for one of two reasons and usually one of these two reasons exist A. It's a really good game and a good matchup or be. I've wagered on the game. Those are the two reasons and more times than not one of those. Two things is in play sometimes both of them and that makes it a lot of fun and I couldn't give a crap who's calling the game but it is one of the high profile spots it's not as high profile. Is Sunday night football anymore and you know no. It's not and you know but you don't put put foot. I think what happened per segment of the population. That is still breathing. You know just barely breathing but still breathing. I think Monday night. Football is opposed to any other broadcast in football. There's a certain expectation of entertainment that comes in with the booth because of the generation that grew up with Don Howard and frank. I think you know for for a segment of the population Monday night. You know represent something different. I think I agree with you but I think the the the larger percentage of people now didn't grow up with that. They're on their phones. They they're not really. I mean I. I'll be honest with you. I think that my son's really care that much about the broadcast teams ever. They don't normally. I don't either but I am trained to have an expectation on Monday night. Football of something special in the broadcast booth and What ESPN put out. There was was a long way from special and I don't think it can ever be replicated but I'll be come on what I've given up on finding talented people to be entertaining and informative at the same time. It's it's really strange. You're right How difficult it's been for them. And although let me just say I'm a big Sean McDonough Fan. I thought Sean McDonough Gruden were great. Even though they didn't get along I thought to Rico and Gruden were outstanding. You know it's been it's been very recently you know. Once 'cause Gruden was a was a hook you know Jon. Gruden was definitely A reason people watched he's by far and away. The biggest example of that in recent memory on that broadcast. I mean people of all generations really got a kick outta listening to Jon. Gruden call that game but I don't. I don't really care that much I guess is I'm with you on that. I just know when I hear somebody. That shouldn't be doing it on. The ironic thing is and it's because he's too popular now probably makes too much money. Your boy would be really good Monday night. So it's funny because I've had a lot of conversations with Scott about this before you know I've had a lot of conversations with him over the years about a lot of different things in addition to what he's been doing which he does very well and you know this new and it's not even new anymore you know. What are we in year? Four of this new version of his sportscenter. This standalone entity sportscenter which is unique for them. They've never done this really before is killing it. I mean Tommy is killing in the ratings. Now I think since this pandemic started all sports programming is off but prior to that he was he I mean. He was regularly beating. Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon in that male eighteen to thirty five thirty four year old demo the young demo which they all want so desperately. I me- killing them on cable. You know. So he's done really well. I actually think I think he'd be fine at play by play. I don't think it would be what he would be best at. He doesn't well in golf because he's really got you know a passion and he knows the golfers But I I actually think that if he ever wanted to. Do you know sort of a true. Sit Down Sports but also other things talk show that he could do that like I think he could host the today show like. I think he could easily do that or good. Morning America. I don't think he'd ever I? I don't think he'd ever want to do that but I think he could do that. I think For the Monday night broadcast. You don't need an ace play by play Guy. You need a guy who can do play by play who can play off his broadcast partner. Yeah so what you need so the odds right now out there. They put a bow vodka. Put a all of the odds on on with the Monday night booth. Makeup is going to be and it's actually with the way they did is they took. Individuals gave them odds of landing one of the chairs. So it wasn't like you know the combination of Steve Levy and Louis riddick. It was each one of these individually in terms of their odds of landing a spot in the booth and Louis Riddick and Dan Orlovsky are the two favorites for the analysts. They actually have equal odds at plus two twenty five and then right behind them. Is This Guy Pat McAfee? Who's really sort of Pat? Mcafee what I kind of like him to now a little bit offbeat A Lot I'll beat. Sometimes I think it'd be very entertaining. Which just enough football knowledge Tell me on him. I think he shot. He's plus three hundred so he's just behind those two guys. Mcafee by the way for you people that don't know big on Barstool. Was THE PUNTER. Remember as the for the colts for many years and he started doing some games this year including that Thursday night. Espn broadcast for the college game. That he was a part of it. I thought he was pretty good. I think he knows the game. And I think he's you know just whack enough in at times funny. Not All. The time tries really hard to be funny sometimes too hard. But I'd be willing to give him a shot. I mean again. I don't care that much. The first play by play guy that gets mentioned on Bo. Vodka is Steve Levy. And so I've been hearing sort of a Levy riddick or lobski potential booth other names a lot of other names including John Madden's seventy two one Coming back But I I like Steve Levy in my I might get my bet is that they end up at espn slash ABC going with you. Know some of their own that they believe are good at this rather than rolling the dice on somebody like Pat McAfee right now so this was the you know this sort of led me into thinking about one of these things that have been on my list of things to do on a slow day on a rainy day And so we took calls for all I know they are although it seems like we always have some news But the my favourite booth Tommy any sport right television by the way not radio because we we asked for radio than everybody was gonNA give us their hometown. Radio Baseball crew. Or everybody's GonNa give us Sunny Salmon. Frank you know It was it was an broadcast national broadcast crew for any sport at any level college or pro my all time. Favourite was PAT summerall in Tom. Brookshire they really so good together and that is you know your Hay Day. It's it's the beginning of everything that I was following in sports. The seventies Matt Summer all in Brookshire summer all madden ended up becoming obviously legendary as a pairing at CBS. But before that some role in Brookshire were the team I mean you know after. Obviously Frank Dandy Dan in cosell on Monday night football but I love summerall. Brookshire had a great sense of humor. Quick Funny New game had played the game and their their chemistry together. I mean I think is just one of these guys. That's so good that he had chemistry with everybody you know. I don't know if you notice that about him. Over the course of his career. He had chemistry with Brookshire chemistry with Madden Chemistry with Ken. Venturi Golf Chemistry with Tony. Trabert tennis you know he everything he did. He did so well and had a great sort of rapport with whomever was the lead analyst but that was my favorite booth I mean. There are others that I really liked. But can you think of one one that jumps off. The top of your head is your favorite. Well let me ask you this. I could have this wrong You Be Brown used to work with MARV Albert at one point probably but hugues never. I mean you you know. Somebody called in with that and said they loved Hugh Brown and I said well huby with whom because nothing jumped out huby did basketball with Brent musburger on radio which is phenomenal. Huby done with. He's worked with MARV Albert. He's worked with Breen. I think he's worked with everybody. But if you if you're telling me that Huby and MARV see I. I don't even know the answer to that. I don't even have to hit up. I mean because you'll be brown is such a special broadcast here to make it goes I I like. I like you know as much as I'd like you know humor and and being entertained. I like to learn when when I'm watching. I like somebody who feel like is teasing me something. Yeah and you'd Be Brown. Always felt that way to me. Tim. The Carbon Baseball always felt that way to make you know in football in very serious. Yeah Yeah Football. I'm not sure who that is. Actually yeah I think well I think you know. I think there have been a lot of guys in football and a lot of pairings. Were you know you've you've learned? I mean you know Madden was entertaining but madden new. The game to You know right now. I don't know if anybody's learning more about the game than than they have with Tony. Romo you know run in phenomenal You know I to be honest with you. The the the Troy Aikman Joe Buck. Pairing. I'm not a huge Joe Buck Fan. I think he's good. I understand why he's risen to the level that he's risen to actually liked his father even more. I loved the Jack. Buck Hanks Strand parenting for many years on radio in particular but I think Troy Aikman's always done a good job and I never felt like he was anti redskin her anti rest of the NFC east. I never felt that way. but Yeah I mean like a lot of people call in with you know Dick Edinburgh Almaguer. Billy Packer Doing College basketball. That was a legendary. You know broadcast team for college. Basketball and NBC for many years when NBC had the tournament and NBC was really the Face Television face of college basketball before. Cbs jumped into it. you know. A lot of people brought up. Kurt Gowdy and AL D. Regardless Tommy from I remember those the old afl old afl and they day called NFL Games when you know after the merger. They called the Redskins Dolphins Super Bowl seven game. And you know a lot of people have really enjoyed Al Michaels and John Madden and Al Michaels and Chris Collins. Worth together in recent years. I I've always been a big Al Michaels fan but I I think I said this last year on the podcast. I think I mentioned this. I think Al Michaels has lost a little bit of what he had a little bit of fastball from previous years but some role to me. I'm in terms of play by play. Guys his understated way leading the action. Breathe incredible tone and sort of authority In every partner he worked with He. Was You know they? They became the number one team and really legendary team. Obviously summer all madden for years in some Ron Brookshire were very well known broadcast team before. Madden came along but the most famous broadcast booth of all time in it's really not even close is Gifford cosell and Meredith. There's no booth that ever were turned into bigger stars crossed over. You know into basically popular culture not just sports culture They were they were superstars and Monday night. Football became the number one. Primetime show because of them. I mean bars you do. Our cosell was so hated but must watch that bars would have contests where the the winning patron would get a chance to throw a brick TV when cosell would speak right. I mean I mean he. He came to town it when they came to town. I it was. It was a big thing. It was a big thing that lasted for days. Yeah you're one hundred percent right. I mean it was. It was a show it was. They were rockstars. They came into your town and they needed police escorts and they need security and I mean I can remember being an. Rfk stadium is a kid for a Monday night. Game against the cowboys in having the three of them in that big booth remember where the RFK television booth was way up. And I it was It was really. It was something else that that crew you know. We didn't mention any baseball cruise but A lot of people really like Jon Miller and Joe Morgan Together And a lot of people loved Al Michaels and Jim Palmer together on on baseball. Abc and before that. Correct me. If I'm wrong but I think Keith Jackson did games with Jim Palmer. I could be real remember. That Palmer was great though. Yes he was and he still. It still is On on Orioles Games there. There's a guy you learn about pitching from when you listen to Tim Palmer. Yeah definitely He's fearless so he'll he'll he'll he'll say was on his mind. A lot of people have thrown out Verne Lundquist and Gary Danielson just because they have on. Cbs With the SEC. Over a long period of time called some of the biggest games in in in college football but for me college football will always be Keith Jackson. And you know either era procedure or frank. Breuls you know going back to the seventies eighties into the early nineties And I'll just give you one more John McEnroe and Mary Carillo both but when they're together they're phenomenal but McEnroe and now in recent years it's been It's been it's been Chris Fowler doing all the tennis from the US Open and Wimbledon and it's a great pairing McEnroe's really really good Mary. Carrillo's always been excellent and liked Dan Hicks and Johnny Miller. Cj through that out. This morning. And I I loved that pairing I thought Johnny Miller was great and he was really polarizing to the cosell level. But I'm telling you either hated or you loved Johnny Miller because he was in your face and was fearless would say anything about any golfer after any shot and I think Dan Hicks was always the perfect Match with him. All right Can you think of factor in packer? Acc fans from the seventies and eighties. They were great before. Billy packer blew up Actually he was doing he was doing the. Acc Games and he was doing the The National Games as well Quick word about my bookie dot A. G. Now I know a lot of you are like there's no games. Why do you keep pushing my bookie dot? Ag will see a couple of reasons number one. There's another big UFC event this weekend So you can bet on everything on this. Ufc card over under on submissions. Kayode every other type of you can possibly ask for plus right now at mybookie dot. Ag They're offering a risk free bet up to forty nine dollars. 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Sports Washington I think but he on this podcast with Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah. Both of whom I like a lot. I think they're both good analysts for NFL network. He said quote. I hate to be so simplistic on this. But you'd better surround him. Dwayne Haskins with some really good players the NFL's amazing to me the teams draft a quarterback. They put him on a very bad team or there are a lot of culture issues. I don't WanNA start throwing stones but I do know I talk to my guys. I talked to a lot of these players he said. So it's the quarterbacks fault now right that. The coach got fired and week five. They were in complete disarray. And it's the quarterbacks fault. I wish college was that easy for some reason. It's not the quarterbacks fault. It's always the coach's fault in College. If you want Dwayne to be a great player you need to surround him with really great players you need to surround them with the with a really elite Culture he said you know never mind the fact that their coach got fired. The place is a mess is a mess. Nut was a mess. Just point that out. There's this going on that going on this going on a lot of stuff. I heard from behind the scenes. I've got several players there yet. It was dwayne fault And then he also said and I can't find it here in this updated story Because it's like they took it out or maybe you know it's an in an older version of the story but I read it yesterday. The podcast he's talking about the Patriots and he's talking about how the Patriots the reason that they can pick behind everybody else in. Don't always end up with the best players. They've got an elite culture. You know they've got a great culture and that's not what they have. Meaning the Redskins have and then says with Dwayne surround with good players. So I'll just tell you netting it out for me number one. I thought he was. He didn't need to be that. Defensive of Dwayne and endurance performance last year again. I mean join. Haskins ended up really trending. You know positively at the end of the year in incredible last game and a half and he threw for three hundred ninety four yards four touchdowns and completed you know well into the sixty percent tile of passes in his last six quarters of football so. I I didn't really need think that he needed to Defend Dwayne that much and then I think the other thing is that you know there. There are examples of quarterbacks that haven't needed elite culture or elite players around them. You know we know that a you know. Kurt Warner took a bad organization and not a great team to a superbowl that peyton manning elevated a franchise That Aaron Rodgers has had for the most part average. You Know Kasur League just slightly better than average but average talent for the most part around him since he got there. You know those are what the elite quarterbacks really do so You know but bottom line. Tell us something. We don't know the organization is obviously you know a hot mess and has been the question is will it be moving forward or not that this? This is just validation of Lavera rule where I say if things back outside I said this yesterday on the podcast. I said this is exactly what you're GONNA say. Go ahead say if things look back from the outside. They're usually much much support behind. The scene was say for Urban Meyer. Basically who I I'm thinking is on the Redskins Payroll. I'm thinking he's not doing all this stuff for the redskins for free you know. So for Urban Meyer so to rip them and to basically exposed them not that they needed exposing but when you have an insider with with a level of credibility that urban Meyer had validating it. I think it really hits home and I even though it's tell us something we don't know it's when you have somebody with his credentials. Say it. I think it's another thing. Yeah I mean given the fact that there seems to be some sort of relationship between him and the team now. Scotland when Zaven Scott had urban Meyer on on their show last week. Scott ask them like you consultant. Are you getting and he said no? He said. But I've got players here and I and I. I've gotten to know Dan. Whatever so a lot of people's follow up on on what? I said yesterday was he's really referring to Bruce Allen and what the culture was which to which. I responded with okay. That's that's fine but that doesn't mean that it's not going to continue to be a hot mess. You know again if you force me to wager Ron. Rivera is going to have great success and turn the redskins around. Or you have to wager on the opposite. That Ron Rivera is gonNA fall by the wayside just like every other great coach came here. Mardi GIBBS SHANAHAN DID. I would wager on that. That it doesn't work out now doesn't mean that. I can't be optimistic for a half second like I was when when Shanahan got here like I was when Gibbs was here you know and and hoping that Snyder changes his ways But you know there's been a theme here people. The theme is the been terrible out. I mean this head years before Bruce. Out For God's sake the the theme is it hasn't worked for anybody under this owner period now. You can't debate that when people say well. Things are different now. I would say well. He's been on the job for four months. They're not playing football. I would hope things are different now. I mean how much screw it up. Can you do in a short amount of time like this? How much interfering can you do what you just hire this coach and probably paying them a ton of money and right off the bat? You're you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA stick a hot a hot poker up his ass. I don't think so. Yeah I you know Meyer. Look none of us you know. Were were surprised by what he said around the League. Surprised I mean I always I I do get a kick out of those of you and it's a very few very few that that get really really upset when we ripped the organization and the owner. And you're like don't you know he wants to win? All these ever wanted to do is win. And he spent all the money and Bruce fucked them and before that Vinnie and none in no. He's the constant. He's the one over twenty one years that has been a part of an organization that basically for him is one one playoff game if you want to count the one in nineteen ninety nine. Have at it but really. He didn't have time to mess anything up by the time he took over the team before the ninety nine season he tried to. He didn't want Brad Johnson to be the quarterback he wanted. He wanted to undo that trade which meant that. They wouldn't have been in the playoffs that year. Because Brad Johnson had a phenomenal nineteen ninety nine but come on people. I mean in twenty one years. One playoff win one. I mean it's been bottom feeder organization in all of sports. Has it been the worst? I don't know you debate it it. Certainly somebody could make a case. It's been worse than Cleveland or worse than Jacksonville or worse than you know some baseball. Or you can't say the clippers anymore. It's been certainly in the bottom five or six you know and having you need to get your mind right okay. I read a wonderful story on one of these wonderful fan websites that you were talking about in our last podcast. You know those those great websites who The Oh with the fans who are so plugged in and the headline of best effort. Let me just say it's USA Today but it's a fan site. They ron called Redskins wire it operates other delusions that it's actually credible. And then they run and headline like this dance night deserve some credit for recent culture shift in Washington. Then there's a story talk about even though it lays out all the criticism of Dan Snyder. And how it's warranted. He said he's also deserving of praise. That might come his way during the teams rebuild and culture shift. That praise is coming. Yeah I mean I I wouldn't write that And I like some of these fan websites you know. I do because I think they are. Actually you know they're that they're plugged into the team but nothing gets by them in terms of what's going on and they're passionate and all this fan site some of them are good. Some of them aren't I I don't. I'm not familiar with this person. I just pulled up the story that you're referring to I don't know this person. Zachary Neil There's no real iheart at the FOTI person. I've no idea I can tell you this. There's no way in. Hell that you'd get me on radio to say that. Dan Snyder deserves some credit for the recent culture shift in Washington because first of all I don't know that there's been a culture shift. I'm I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that there might be a culture shift. He talked about culture on the happy. You know the day of the happy Thanksgiving introductory press conference for Ron Rivera. I think he recognizes that the culture under Bruce Allen wasn't very good but the problem I've always had and the reason I'm not jumping head. I like some of you have which by the way some of you always do. And I I'll I'll be the first to admit that when they hired when they hired Mike Shanahan and even Bruce Allen in two thousand ten Tommy and I were doing the show together i. We're all lynn and I I was. I was lecturing people. If you recall in that first season that they wanted to see change so quickly and I said look if you can't handle it go antiquing with your white wife. Stop Watching football and we'll let you know when it's safe to come back in but but the real men are going to hang in there and watch this thing change and we. I was wrong. You know dead wrong I like Rivera. I think Ron Rivera is a really good higher for them. And I think he's a you know a leader in a respected guy but so is Mike and so is joe in so you know so is Marty and you know I i. I don't know that there's been a culture shift. I'm hopeful that there will be. But here's the problem. I've always had when I WANNA get more optimistic than I am. And that is the belief that I have that there is a a true personality flaw for the organization and for the owner and it is the. It's the combination of incredible arrogance and not having any idea what he's doing and because of that. I don't think he'll ever ever admit that it's been him that it's his fault. I think every step along the way you know it was spurrier's fault. It was Vinnie's fault because he hired zone it was it was high on Mike's Fault. They were terrible people. It was now finally To the realization. Oh my God. Bruce has been effing me here for the last several years. He's really screwed me. You know he brought this terrible coach back kept in a kept him for five and a half years it was bruce's fall and I just think that's a personality flaw and I also think you get to a certain age and when you're not self aware you're not all of the sudden gonNA become self aware and they if you haven't developed some level self-awareness especially when you have the money where you don't need that's right part of it. That's part of it now. You know somebody with that kind of ego has definitely been embarrassed here. You know he'd he doesn't think it's his fault. And that Hashtag Bruce Allin probably emboldened him in the feeling that it wasn't in that people weren't you know sort of you know they. They weren't they weren't going after him for the failure but he has to been embarrassed to look out into his seventy five thousand seat stadium and on occasion. See No more than fifteen or sixteen thousand people in the stands more than half of whom were rooting for the opponent. That had to really be a major major wakeup call. That's a little bit different from what we saw. In previous rock bottoms. You know not to mention and we've mentioned this before just the sinking television ratings but again the thing that always worries me is I think and believe that. He doesn't believe he's responsible for any of it. And I in that means that you know he'll be. He won't resist jumping back in if he feels like it isn't going well. I think one of the things you've said and I've sort of heard a little bit. Is that while? This isn't an ultimatum from him but that there is some sense that Rivera needs to prove pretty quickly that he's competent in that it's heading in the right direction. You know if they were to have a foreign twelve season this year. And he you know the fucks around with the quarterback situation and puts Kyle Alan in there and he stinks too. You know. Dwayne isn't any good. You know that could be problematic for him. The way the way to hold off Dan Snyder is to be very successful early. And then become very popular. I mean and and and Ron Rivera popularity. His straight you know if he if he turns this around quick he'll become like an a redskins icon just like that fans will love him and it will give him the power that he needs to fight. Dan Snyder if and when they have to over internal politics this is this article also pointed out what I call the mob boss car wash. It talked about how Snyder deserves credit for his public actions in response to the virus. How he move quickly to suspend travel for scouts how we opened up Fedex field to The Maryland government so they could use it for a testing site and also mentioned How the Redskins Charitable Foundation donated two hundred fifty thousand meals to families in PG COUNTY. No one has ever really questioned and Snyder's community Community commitment or charitable commitments. And he's done a lot of things I know. I've heard behind the scenes personable personal compassionate things that he's done behind the scenes. Okay but I call this the mob boss car wash. I mean this is this is like the mob boss who this is the corleones foundations. You know creating a hundred million dollars grant you know. Charitable grants you know. This is bob loss who builds a wing on his hospital. You know and it's like this is awesome of every hit. They've ever remind the car wash Galante in the name of so so I'll need. This has nothing to do with what we talk about in terms of dance. Night edition nothing. No one's calling into question then Snyder's commitment to community or charity. Let me tell you what I don't care about. And it doesn't mean that I can't you know appreciate and say. Hey that's really great. You know and it's better that he's you know a charitable person than not a charitable person. But but I'm a fan of the team. I don't care about that. It doesn't mean anything to me. You know all of that stuff when you haven't won a playoff game since two thousand and five doesn't mean anything it's nice. I mean from a human being standpoint. Great but I pay attention to the only reason he's a part of my life is because he owns my favorite football team and the only reason that they're my favorite football team is because at one point they were really really good and I want him to be good again. That's all I want. I don't give a shit about any of the other stuff. I just want them to be good. And I don't know that it can happen. But I do like Ron Rivera. Look bottom line is they could hired You know another stooge a coach that we didn't have any confidence in or no name that you know we probably would have felt right from the jump was going to get trampled Owner but you know the fact that Ron Rivera took this job and you know and seems to have some level of autonomy. I'm all on board with that for right now and I hope it turns around I do. I wouldn't bet on it but I'm hell of a lot more optimistic today than I was four months ago. Five months ago six months ago you bruce was still here much more I know let me just say USA. Today you've got somebody with your name on it writing some embarrassing material. I know you don't particularly maybe care about journalism much anymore but this is embarrassing have to I mean. It's it's a very short story here. I mean it's the title. The title of this story is is is probably the worst part of it. Yeah I mean it's not a long list of things you can praise Dan Snyder for At least football related there none no name one thing that you could praise them for from from football standpoint professional staff professionally. How could Gimme one area? GimMe one compliment. You know you don't want to fall back. He's like you mentioned. He really wants. No I disagree with that premise. If you really wanted to win a win and do what he does. He wouldn't have fired schottenheimer he wouldn't have taken the. Rg Three side against his head coach. That's not somebody who really wants to win. No but there is nothing. There's nothing that he can put out his resume to be proud of as as a football owner. Nothing I mean. He's a good salesman and in his role at selling his organization when he's desperately needed a player or coach. He has delivered a few times. He delivered with Gibbs he delivered with Shannahan You know even he messed it up and he he's I think he's delivered with Rivera. I that would be. I guess the one compliment. I would give him that you know when when he reaches these. You know low depths of of gist depression. With respect to the franchise. He's been able to pull a rabbit out of his hat. You know he then basically starves the rabbit am but he. He's able to pull a big time. Hire every once in a while out of the hat there you go. That's the one all right. Can we talk about this? Nba list? Which I started to talk about and got to a little bit yesterday on the show. The top seventy four on. Espn which you know. When I was going through it yesterday I said that you were going to be really incredibly upset about one ranking This is getting a lot of you know. Of course there's nothing else to talk about. This is getting a lot of run on social media among sports fans in NBA fans basketball fans in particular. And what's funny is it's like. I think they just did a list like this two or three years ago. But it's the top seventy four by the way because this is the seventy fourth season of the NBA But I went through it in more detail last night and I have additional thoughts that maybe I didn't share yesterday in the podcast and I wanna get to those and I know you didn't see this until just before the show so maybe you haven't had a time had time to go through it closely enough But the the here are essentially might Mike Cliffs notes on this number one is that Jaanus attended. Compo should not be number twenty seven on this list. It's a joke okay. He's accomplished nothing. He was absolutely embarrassed last year. By kawhi Leonard The Toronto Raptors in the Eastern Conference finals. Is he going to be one of the great players at some point down the road? That's possible and by the way he's an exceptional talent. I would never dispute that but he does not deserve to be in front of will. Let me. Just start with this. One will read. Who came in sixty? Let's off? He does not deserve to be in front of Isaiah. Thomas come on people you know. He doesn't deserve to be in front of John Stockton. Are you kidding me? This is a joke. The the Greek Freak should not pin number twenty seven on a list of seventy four greatest players of all time. It just shouldn't be Secondly and I'm not a fan personally of Isaiah Thomas but if somebody said is Isaiah Thomas you know a top fifty player of all time of course as I say at Thomas. Top twenty five player of all time. I would say well. Yeah of course. Is He a top twenty player. Yeah you're you're right. You're now you're in the neighborhood but yes probably somewhere around twenty or so. He's number thirty one on this list. You can hate Isaiah Thomas Personally. All you one. Isaiah Thomas is along with Alan Iverson. The two greatest small men in the history of the game. Since I've been watching Tommy Oprah hit me with no tiny archibald larger hardship on this list but but archibald is great read the League in scoring and assists. Yeah when he plays for the Celtics. Yeah he's not he did not make the top seventy four so I I have. I have a problem with Isaiah being there because I think is as a better than that and I think it's I think that's a big with Cou Leonard's at twenty five somebody might say well why do you feel that way about Yoenis and not feel that way about quite Leonard will because quite Leonard Spin a two-time finals? Mvp AND CO. I Leonard embarrassed the honest last year in Eastern Conference finals. So Quiet Leonard at twenty five. I don't have a problem with him being there right now. But he's moving up the list and by the way honest is going to move up the list. I I'm sure but he's going to figure out a way to win eventually. The next problem I have. And IT'S A it's a. It's a smaller issue but Charles Barkley at twenty three Their players ahead of him including Scottie. Pippen and I'm not GONNA rail and Scottie. Pippen here Scottie. Pippen Tommy in terms of the lot of a lot of the follow up to this was really criticized. There are a lot of people. Think Scottie Pippen just jumped on with Jordan Scottie. Pippen in terms of a combined. Offensive and defensive player is one of the great players in history the game when you combine offense and defense. He's had twenty one on this list. I don't know if I'd have that high. I do know that I'd have Charles Barkley in front of him it. Who who would you rather hat? Okay exactly your team Barclay or pip and come on Markley but people people if you saw Charles Barkley person and you recognize what a great rebounder he was at six foot four no matter what he was listed would six four and he was usually the best rebounder on the court. I completely agree by the way. I WanNa just emphasize this. I don't think Scottie Pippen's outside the top thirty and a lot of people are like Scottie. Pippin shouldn't even be on this list. Will you're insane Scottie? Pippen if you had the list of the greatest combined offensive and defensive players in one body Pippen's on the short list of that conversation. He's one of the great defenders in the history of the game and by the way let's just point out Jordan win a title until Pippen got there. And when Jordan left unlike Cleveland when Lebron left and they basically won twelve games they won fifty five with Pippin in Nineteen ninety-four Jordan left. So I think pippen is in the range of where he is maybe high but I'm not putting him in front of Charles Barkley. I'm just not going to do that. the worst case. That's the next thing I was going to get to. So you and I've had this conversation in the past and you and by the way most people have really mocked me when I said years ago on our show that I think Julius Erving Zabid overrated coach Thompson came in that day. I'll never forget. He said boy what you smoking. Julius Erving overwritten I said hear me out. I said he's a hall of Famer. He's a great players. One of the all time greats. But you know a lot of people have over the years. Put Him in the category of. You know Michael Magic Bird. You know Kobe Etcetera. And I've always said he's not in that category and he never has been. He was a great players. Lock Hall of Famer. He's one of the more influential players in the history of the game. And I have never had a problem with DR J. Love Dr J. But I always said you know he's closer to twenty then he is ten. It was sort of. I think where we landed on that debate and you laughed at me will. He's fifteen on this list. He's fifteen so so I think maybe we're sort of both right on this. Then come point out well. Three is also a two time. Nba Finals Mvp. Eight right. Yes yes he's he's a two time. Nba Seventy three and the other one. Yes both against will chamberlain. Even though he barely played game seven. Yes but by Kevin. I watched again. The next bit of controversy came with fourteen and thirteen on this list. Kevin durant fourteen and steph curry thirteen. Now I don't have a major problem with this now. I think if I had made the list I probably would have flipped them. I would have had durant won ahead of curry and the reason I would say that I'm a I'm a big fan of Curry. But Curry's been shut down before durant's impossible. The shutdown durant can only injure himself or miss shots. He's he's one of those like magic was sort of a Unicorn durant's thing he's unique in he's dominant in one of the great scores. You know already through his career of all time. I have a big issue that I probably have durant one spot ahead of curry. I agree I agree with you right there. I mean he is. But here's the problem though. Curry more influential player. Yes he has. There's no doubt anyone without durant but then he sort of couldn't win. You know he won without him and then he won more with them. But you know he. I don't know I I think curry I've said this a million times being repetitive. For me it's the greatest combination and I. I know you think marriage is the answer and that's fine. It's the greatest combination of shooter in ball handler. In one body that I've ever watched in my years of playing BA- of watching Basketball Isaiah. By the way is in that conversation which is why he's criminally low on this list at thirty one If Curry's thirteen but curry was at a time as you would say they. They're just shoot knit and is I didn't play in that era. I think if Isaiah had played in that era of long range threes of in transition pulling up from thirty three feet. He would've been curry before curry because he could. He had great range and was our great shooter not as great as curry but but as a ball handler gestures is great But but I think durant is a better all around player but just barely now the next thing on my list. Tommy you know how big of an Elijah one fan I am and I just think that when it's come to the centre conversation over the years. I just always think that he doesn't get his do. He's twelve on this list in people. Most people would say Jesus Christ emmys top twelve all time. I just think he is ahead of Shaquille O'Neal and I think he's ahead of Tim. Duncan in my own in my mood. I don't think he's editing Dunkin. I do. I'm glad to see Tim. Duncan ahead of Shaquille. O'neal I was glad to see that but I don't think and I'd have no problem with allies along with the head is because I think killing neal was an underachiever But I think Tim Dunkin's ahead of Allies want for me to get him into the top ten. I had to put him ahead of two people so I would have had him of both of those allies you wanted. His peak was a better player than Dunkin at his peak. Allies Yuan is arguably. You'll say Russell and that's fine but in my years of watching NBA basketball. He's he's very. You can easily argue the greatest defensive center in the history of of the game and was unbuilt during his peak uncheckable uncheckable multiple ways to I I just I love allies one. I never think he on these lists gets as much credit as he deserves. But you know he's twelve on the list. It's pretty good to be twelve on the list. Now the top ten is you know it's fine. The top ten Number ten is Shaquille O'Neal so shack is at ten and then you get And then you. Where's my list here? Damage had it two seconds ago. She Shelby Number Nine. Kobe's nine Dunkin his eight birdies seven will is six five one. Five is magic four is Russell three is Corinne to Lebron and one is Michael. Okay go ahead you. I didn't hear everything you said. Tell me what's wrong with the when you mentioned wilt wilt is number one And and ruffles number two. I mean well I mean he that with people. People don't want to include Wilt Chamberlain in the conversation because he did things that are so unbelievable. Basketball fans can't conceive of it. They can't conceive of a guy averaging fifty points a season you know. It's like an inconceivable thing for them so not just the Tommy. It's not just the fifty. It said he averaged over fifty and also simultaneously average near Twenty six rebounds a game yet while playing forty eight minutes right. You know so. He's he gets taken out the conversations because he was so astronomically. Good I mean like like like Like we'll say to Jordan once you know for you. They changed the game to help you for me. They change the game to stop me. That's I. I don't think I've ever heard that that quote and and that's right that that's what the so. That's why I mean and I know of fighting a losing battle but wealth will always be number one and Russell right behind them With with number two the interesting one for me is Kareem. I watched Kareem's entire career a great offensive player. The average eleven rebounds a game and he was seven foot three. That's almost criminal. That's I mean that's that's ridiculous not to mention eleven rebounds a game first of all he. He was seven two right but he three seven seven to always think always listen to seven two. I you know it's funny that you bring up cream. I know what the numbers say but I and I and I thought cream was dominant player. It's not about to say what I said about Dr J. But I don't there's something about Kareem to that him being number three on this list and the number one center it doesn't Jive with me. You know like when I think of my favorite center which is Alisha one. I'M NOT GONNA put him ahead of Kareem because the numbers but you know. Elijah one basically averaged nearly five blocks a game blocked shots a game. He's like in the force for like is the peak of his career. You Know I. I don't think that Kareem had more than two seasons where he averaged more than four blocks well to be fair. I didn't start counting Recording blocked shots for a long time while true. I forget when they started it. I mean because they never recorded during Russell's career They just didn't record those statistics. Is You want average. My fault allies one average four point six blocks a game in eighty nine ninety averaged over four blocks a game four times in his career. That's a lot of blocks. Just so people understand no now. From rebounding standpoint allies one was at eleven point one first career to but you know a lot of those rebounding numbers that Russell and wilt had I think started to come down Tommy in part because shooting percentages started to go up. Am I right about that? Why were those rebounding numbers so outrageously high in the sixties? Well Yeah I mean that is part of it but You know it was. Also I mean because centers. I mean senators work played inside almost all the time. Then I mean that's why that's why they got so many. Yes shooting percentages Got Better as the years went on and that more the the les MIS shot rebound so there is some. There is some validity to that but Karim played come. Green played in and that Eric Green played against will at the end of his career. He played against Willis Reed Bob when there and and those guys at the end of his career he averaged eleven point three rebounds. A game dominated. I you and my father are on the same the same wavelength. My father just thinks Wiltz the greatest of all time it's not comparable and it really is remarkable to look at his numbers into understand that in the first I think it's the first nine years of his career. I nine years of his career. He never average less than thirty a game and never average less than twenty two rebounds a Game League get that or your head there all right. The he went points. Here here's the here's the point. Totals thirty seven point six thirty eight point. Four fifty point four and sixty one sixty to forty four point eight thirty six point nine thirty four point seven thirty eight point nine thirty point one and thirty three point five. Those are the first nine years of his career. He's rebounding numbers. Twenty seven twenty seven point two twenty five point seven twenty four point three twenty two point three twenty two point nine twenty three point five twenty two point three twenty four point six. Do you know that? It wasn't until his final four seasons of his career where he's in his mid thirties. He averaged less than twenty rebounds. A Game Tommy. By the way the point totals would would have been higher. Had he been just a decent free? Throw shooter rather than a horrible for your shooter. No-one I said this this morning. Tell me if you can think of of of of of a comparable here. I don't know that any individual player in a professional team sport has ever had statistical has had numbers that have been so much different than whoever is second best. Statistically you not comparing the players here. I don't know that there's ever been the disparity statistically between Wilton everybody else in another sport. Well there had been and this comes to mind. It's remarkable that he's a forgotten man because it's hard to believe and I only comes to mind because I'm reading. I'm reading a book about him. But Babe Ruth Babe Ruth was hitting fifty. Nine home runs a season when nobody else was hitting twenty right. Yeah Babe Ruth Babe Ruth numbers were World Chamberlain life in terms of the distance between him and the next closest competition. Usually I just warped everything that came before him To to so and wealth with the same way and you know I went back and researched this once over the course of we'll shave career his entire career because people say well. Who did he play? Play against anybody. He played against fourteen hall of fame centers in his career. Fourteen I did fourteen. Fourteen guys Played Sadder who wound up in the hall of fame. Yeah we'll we'll you know you've got him number one you and you've got Russell to Working towards number one mine. My beef really is. I'm sorry but Magic Johnson's better than number five I get laughed at by my kids when I try to tell him. That Magic Johnson was a better player than Lebron. A Better winner than Lebron look. I'm I'm starting to understand the Lebron James Greatness. I don't like Lebron and I've never been a fan of lebrons There have been moments where I've been. You know awestruck you know I think about that first series back in Cleveland. When they played Golden State Nia Timothy Mazda van Iman Shumpert Shumpert Matt Della Dove on his team and in nearly beat the warriors in they won two games and he was just brilliant. And you know. I don't know that there aren't many examples of of a guy leaving team that was in the Eastern Conference finals and won sixty some games than the team go wins. Thirteen Games. The next year I he Lebron is is on the Mount Rushmore somewhere for me but so is magic and magic. You know a here at number five. I think there are three players. Tommy that have made. Their teammates have improved. Their teammates. Play made everybody around them better more than any other three players that I've ever watched magic's number one birds number two and yell. Lebron would probably be number three you know. That's the that's the list of the greatest you know making the team great and I just don't I don't get why Magic's five I mean you know Russel's in front of him in front of him Lebron's in front of him in Michael at one is fine for me. I know you WANNA go with Wilton in the two centres and certainly the greatest winner of all time in Russell. Jordan's number one I I don't know where I'm going with number two but I got Lebron behind magic somewhere on this list okay. I can't seem to because I'm using my. It will let me get past like like ten on this list. So I I WANNA ask you a question. Paul Fraser in the top seventy four. Yeah Frazier was thirty nine on this list. Right they got him. That high redes- Sixty on the list can that's ridiculous be the other way around. Frazier's thirty nine Fraser. We'll tell you that he will tell you. What about what about John Havlicek? Thirty three on the list. He's up there at. Yeah he he's he's a forgotten guys do but see to me. Mikhail's at thirty six to me. Mikhail was a better player than Havlicek. Not not to me date. They've talents on. The list is on the list He's way back on the list somewhere. I know I saw his name on this list. Cowan's Barrow Lavera Counter Cowan's sixty six sixty eight by the way Earl Monroe's sixty four The I'll give you one that I that I had a problem with. I can't believe I forgot to mention this. Bob macadear is on this list of fifteen fifty nine now. I don't know where Makhdoom belongs on the list but I know he belongs on the list in front of Vince Carter and Ray Allen. I know he he I know. He belongs on the list in front of Paul Pierce. I'm sorry Bob mcadoo in his heyday with the buffalo braves. If you're thinking Bob mcadoo when he won the titles with the Lakers when he was in his mid to late thirties. That's not the Makah. Do that lit up the NBA in the mid. Seventy S mcadoo in and. I don't have a problem really with Mono Ginobili being ahead of him because generally really was a great player in a great winter. Makhudu fifty-nine. I've got six seven players in front of them. That shouldn't be there but mcadoo was Kevin Durant. Yes Kevin Durant. Yeah a seven footer. Who was thrilling? It from thirty feet out He wasn't seven feet was he was six eleven six ten. Okay okay but I get the point here. Here's something to more things on this. Listen you can ask me anything else you want. But I don't want to forget these number one Walton's at forty eight and I said this Tommy this morning. Tell me if you agree with me. He's the biggest. What if on this list? Because if he had played a career healthy he might be number one. He wouldn't be any worse than number five or six Walton. Most basketball people real basketball people tell you he was as gifted as as any big man. That's ever played the game in the greatest passing big man of all time. Yeah I mean you don't have to convince me. The seventy seven point with trailblazers. What am I favored teams of all time and to go back into watch? Walton night team from center. I mean the way he passed the ball. I mean the way he went after the ball for rebounding I mean yeah I mean won't is one a great. What if absolutely last thing? And then you can fire way anymore Observations or questions. You have what I get into these arguments with the few people that remember the bullets like I remember the bullets. I've always thought on these lists. That Elvin Hayes should be ahead of WES unseld. And I think you'd think the opposite which is fine And he is ahead of Wes. Unseld on the list. Elvin Hayes forty four and unsettled as fifty on this list. Do you know that Elvin Hayes and I didn't know this. A caller pointed this out or somebody tweeted it to me. Do you know that on the all time career scoring list for the NBA? That Elvin Hayes is still number ten ahead of him. Moses Malone Shaquille O'Neal Wilt Dirk Jordan. Kobe Lebron Karl Malone and Kareem all nine of those players ahead of him. They're all in the top nineteen on this list. Elvin Hayes is number forty four but let me take it a step. Further on the all time Rebounds List Career Rebounds List Elvin Hayes is still number four behind wilt Russell and Kareem ahead of Moses ahead of Dunkin ahead of Malone while I was shocked by that I knew that Elvin Hayes accumulated unbelievable numbers during the course of his career because he played a long time and my God he played like forty eight minutes a game like he never came out. He was a true ironman but he's the fourth leading rebounder of all time in the tenth score of all time might the criticism of Elvin Hayes. Is that number one. He was not a great teammate. He was definitely a sort of a self involved player but they other criticism which is totally fair. Of Elvin Hayes is that he didn't play his greatest. In the biggest of circumstances he wasn't very good in the seventy five finals against Golden State. Rick Perry completely outplayed him and the bullets. That's one of the biggest upsets in NBA history. They didn't win a game they got swept by the warriors. And Elvin Hayes wasn't very good in seventy eight when they won the title at Seattle in game seven a he didn't have the greatest of series B. Fouled out a game seven. He was on the bench. When the key moments in that game took place or twelve points out twelve points eight rebounds and fouled out of game seven in the postseason that year and so that is legitimate criticism of the big. By the way. You know In this game exists on Youtube he played a game against Makhdoom in the seventy five playoffs before they played the Celtics before they played the warriors and I think mcadoo had fifty. Hayes had forty eight in the game. They beat Buffalo in a seven game series. Beat them in seven. Actually you know. I've got the box score right here. Elvin Hayes in that game. Oh my fault. It was the next game mcadoo. Fifty Elvin Hayes had forty six in this one. But what a match up. That was Makato against as you know in a series yes but L. Elvin Hayes is a top three to five power forward of all time and no one ever talks about talks about him and no interest very gun and in. This list was based in part on numbers. And Elvin Hayes is fourth leading rebounder career all time and tenth leading score which is really blew me away. I mean I knew he had big time numbers. I didn't know that he was still that high up on the list Anyway that's that's all I got. What else you got on this? It's all I got okay. It's always fun to debate this stuff. there will probably be five more lists over the next month that we'll have a chance. Let's talk about You wanted to mention something about Tyson. Well there's been a lot of publicity. Mike Tyson put posting some workout videos. That have impressed. A lot of people On on social media who are convinced that if Mike Tyson came back at the age of I think fifty four. He'd be a great fighter because he looks good in punching the handmaid's that guys us when when they he looks very good punching the habits of of his trainer. You know when. No one's hitting him back you know that that's when he looks good and it's just. It's just like people a couple of things. The last time Mike Tyson fought right. What's fifteen years ago? And he lost to a literally a stiff. They Kevin McBride okay. The year before that he lost to a stiff from England knocked out in four rounds by Danny Williams. I was there for both of those. I covered most of Tyson's Post prison sites and there is no. Yeah even given the the bad state of heavyweight boxing. Mike Tyson can't fight. He can't fight anymore. Okay so stop it. Stop what illustrates is. You have a generation of boxing fans who don't recognize good fights anymore. Don't know what good fighting is so they see my Tyson on a video punching you know some some habits and think and it's it's he looked powerful. He looks quick. You know but again. No one's hitting them back home doesn't mean anything. I mean ridiculous. You know I mean this is going to sound crazy but Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson wasn't i. Is it fair to say that he he really to me is in on that short list of great heavyweights like I? I mean so many heavyweights were much better. Like I mean like you said Tyson towards the end of his career wasn't very good. He was like something we never saw before. And it's hard to say he's not on the short list but I think Lennox Lewis could have beat them in. Its prime. I think that Larry Holmes in his prime could have be Tyson. Yeah so I mean obviously Joe Louis Muhammed Ali I think Joe Frazier would be enticed and I think I think foreman at the age of forty five could've beaten Tyson so I'll only Lewis Frazier Forman. You've already said Lennox Lewis. You haven't mentioned why guys like Marciano were know I. I can't I can't weigh in on that Who are we forgetting from? More recent times Larry Holmes was the champ for many years was Larry Holmes better than Tyson. No I I mean I tell you what my he mike. Tyson struggled with Taller fighter. Big Big men like Lennox Lewis. Yes he I mean he went he he you know he won three titles when he was young the third title he had to fight Tony. Tucker for twelve rounds and he didn't look good doing it and Tony Tucker was like six three or six. Four Larry homes with six four. It was a big Guy With the best job in the history of boxing well. We'll butcher buster. Douglas beat him because he was just a big men. Bigger man than enticing was. That was the most obvious thing about that night. It was like my God buster Douglas. And he wasn't scared when he was the big. There are a lot of guys who lost the Mike Tyson before they ever stepped in the ring. And I don't blame them to be honest with you but but I mean stop it okay. he can't fight anymore and you don't want to see him fight now and Just it's a sad commentary. You know this is the generation of fight fans that actually thought mayweather vs McGregor was like an epic fight him. When it was a big job. You you WANNA see a really entertaining fight. Go Watch lyle. Foreman Vince me to go. Watch that at the beginning of this pandemic. That is an all timer. God that was wild Available on Youtube Was SIGNING ROUNDS. Ever and somebody a couple of people pointed this out and media and I noticed that when I was watching it. It's I'm surprised Ken Norton didn't Punch Cosell because cosell must've mentioned a half dozen times that form it had crushed Jordan in two rounds early. I mean you mentioned it once. And then that's it. Yeah but he kept saying he just kept bringing it up. I'm Surprised Keti Ordinance. Slap them real quickly. If you're listening to this podcast and you have a chance to rate it or review it do that. Force really helpful for US Listen to me and the team. Nine hundred eighty six to nine. Am also the podcast for that for that on three to one. The podcast for that is available. Also at the team nine eighty dot com or by downloading the team. Nine eighty APP Last thing real quickly so Mac mcclung the Georgetown player. Who was you know? Highly recruited had a you know an incredible high. School highlight reel With incredible vertical leap. He's transferring Georgetown's US has just been losing players left and right here and I don't know what the State of Patrick Ewing Georgetown Basketball is. The you know ewing. I watched Georgetown under ewing for three years. Now he's got a forty nine and forty six overall record. He was fifteen and seventeen. Lashari hasn't been to the tournament and it doesn't look very promising next year and ear four hasn't finish better than six than the big east And he's finished eighth twice I. I don't know what the issue is at Georgetown. I don't know why he's lost players I don't know why lung is transferring. He actually had some odd quotes This one in particular. He said it was a number of different events that made me feel. I had no choice but to transfer from Georgetown. I really wanted to stay but things throughout my career made me realize that I couldn't I it some odd comments on the way out the point that I wanted to make his. I don't know Patrick Ewing's going to survive long term at Georgetown tonight or not. If I'm Georgetown Fan which I'm not I got to get somebody in there. They can get me to the tournament and have me in a much better position because the program for all intents and purposes right now is dead there is no life around Georgetown's basketball program. None with that said and I mentioned it. The first year I in when I watched Georgetown in the last couple of years under Patrick Ewing from just a basketball standpoint. I can say I can't tell you about is recruiting. I can't tell you about the relationships. He has with players And I I can't tell you any of that but I think Georgetown's played really hard and been well coached every single time. I've watched them. They've had some big wins. You know here and there So they beaten some teams that you didn't think they could beat they haven't been terrible but it's not good enough. You know there are schools out there. You just think of this. Most recent year Dayton was on its way to being a one seed in the tournament Dayton. Now Dayton's got some basketball history and people love that program in that part of the country and they've been pretty decent over the last ten years you can tell me. Georgetown can't be Dayton. You can tell me Jordan. You're right you're you're you're right and I agree with you on Patrick. Watching Georgetown play. I thought he had them playing very well at times. And and and coach some terrific games but I suspect that the same powers that be in Georgetown Mafia. That didn't have the patience for jt three anymore or not going to have the patience for are going to have even less patience with you. And I wouldn't be shocked if there's some kind of change well the change Tommy if they're gonNA ever get out of. This situation is a whole new group of people. It's basically I mean as long as we've got the mafia theme going today I mean we. We need we need a new boss is got to be a new boss. GotTa be a New Godfather and nobody loves coach more than I do in you. Love him too but it hasn't worked there for a long time now. You Know Georgetown Gist. When's the last time Georgetown went to the tournament? It's been several years right. Jt T to was like two years before he finished. I'm looking at a they. They lost it at Gulf coast. The Florida Gulf Coast for sure Georgetown the last time they were in the tournament was. Oh in two thousand fifteen. That was you know. So it's been five years since they've been in the tournament and by the way only once in the last seven years and they they they. They didn't get upset in that particular tournament to a pretty good Utah team In Two Thousand. Fifteen but yeah. They had the Florida Gulf coast loss. They had the Ohio University loss. They lost. Nc State when they were higher seeded team the second. That's not nearly as bad but I I don't I don't know enough. I don't know I don't have any information. I thought when I watched Georgetown the last couple years. I thought you know what I because I didn't know what to expect but I thought Patrick had a chance of getting it right. That he had his teams. Were well coached but these lost a lot of players and maybe they're the right players that they're losing you know may maybe it's been good for them but I can't imagine next year if they have another losing record and they don't go to the tournament how how much longer can at last. I don't think going to last very long at all. Hey I got a question for you. maclagan wind up in Maryland. I don't think so but I know that Maryland's on the list I think Maryland North Carolina. Her Tennessee you know. He's from down their way down there and South West Virginia. You know a real rural area in southwest Virginia. And you know I think maybe some of this might have to do with him wanting to get closer to home to. The University of Tennessee would probably be closer much closer to where he's from. I'm guessing than Than College Park or even Chapel Hill. I Dunno has there ever. Has there ever been a Marilyn Georgetown or Georgetown Marilyn Player yeah Yes Billy Bryant who played Carole Great Player? Big Time lefty recruit transferred to Georgetown From Maryland. But that was back for Georgetown's great I you know. I can't think of anything right off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure it's happened a couple of times that'd be my guess but anyway To throw that out there because McClellan was really supposed to be a superstar didn't necessarily come anywhere near living up to it. He's he is going to pull his name out of the NBA draft pole. Because he wasn't going to get drafted. I mean we see this every year. It's a good experience. But he wasn't he wasn't going to be drafted. The top two rounds. But I don't know the Georgetown Basketball Program something to watch here in the next couple of years. You know I. I think in their own league team in schools like Butler in Xavier have had all of this success. You know over the years all the wild Georgetown's been floundering. I mean you're gonNa tell me. Georgetown can't be can't be as good as Xavier. Butler come on anyway All right we're done. Sorry for getting started late to all of you but you've got it now back tomorrow. Thanks Tommy Okay boss.

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