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Smoke Inhalation

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2:03:52 hr | 7 months ago

Smoke Inhalation

"Neil. Neil feel confused. Neil feel torn by Neil. Friends. Neil friends. Having. Doing things. Neil not know about. He'll. So all right well. Guys as you all now I'm comedian. I at at the comedy store I feel as a comedian. I feel. Like A. Muslim after nine eleven. I. Go to did I go to flight school with Muhammed Ana yeah same flight school. Did I see him at flight. Yes, did we tax year? Have I been Muhammad Odyssey House nope. but I'm not. It's you know. I'M NOT GONNA. Say Me and Chris. Friends weren't friends and in terms of. Like there's no fire. But, I'm I. I'm choking on of smoke inhalation. There's a lot of smoke. And And so the thing comes out I C Delia trending on twitter, and it says that it's as Christopher Pedophilia and Mike. So I. Look at this point. There's two screen shots. Neither of them say anything it's like. Where they go! This Guy Fox's step mom, but there's no proof that it's a step. Yeah like you. Don't I mean guys come on stem on there? Be More tension whatever so. So I look. There's two screen shots so I. Go on twitter and I'm like hey. I don't I'm I detest predators, but if you have information. About. Chris doing these things. Show show them to me I'll give money to charity. And I was like until then. Don't call him a pedophile right and a bunch of people take it down people. May even beyond that. Don't even post it, but may Isaac Lobby. I'm fucking. I'm a maverick guys. I do what I want when I want. I'm like a young Chris Delia now. Wait, why can you take me through? Exactly why post that like why? Insert yourself into the story I'll tell you why because Bianca. Without getting too specific, I just went through stuff where I did not feel amply defended. By people and and. I want it, so here's whenever there is an accusation. I follow the. INSTAGRAM innocence project and on twitter. And Innocence Project is about people are falsely accused who get convicted. and are. Sentenced in there in jail, and then somebody recant, S-, or they get a blood test and approves they didn't do it, and there are hundreds of these every year, if not thousands of these death row inmates that have been falsely. There's something like five that their positive were were killed. illegally an wrongly so. As A. I feel like I have to constituents. One group is women of which I have many friends, and the other group is black men, which many friends so I kind of have to pick when there's an accusation of Hough, who am I? GonNa. Who Am I going to turn my back on here? Right so when I see a false accusation. I. My no one likes this argument, but what I said was. I have an old man. Phrase you ready. I maybe I said it on the PODCASTS. Do we have? Do we have a song for all as? Goals! The old man phrase is. If a white man. Sneezes that means a black man's going to get pneumonia. Meaning meaning like if it's like what a friend always says if they'll do this to a white man, the fuck, will they do to a black man? Like. Pray for the black man if they're gonNA if they start accusing people without proof. That's not gonNA work out for the low it all runs downstream so again. To women, I say. All yes, you say, believe on women, but then as they'll. EUBANKS says she fucked Dave three weeks ago. Not, her I, know and you're on your eyes a little bit, but like I, don't know. I'm not rolling my eyes. Okay, all right. You're rolling resilience banks maybe. Maybe I'm listening. and. and. So like you know. So. That's the choice I make. So the choice I make is watch a friend. Get stumped. Or more at watch a friend. Get stopped and live up to a principle of innocent until proven guilty. or Turn my back on women. Flip a coin, everybody. 'CAUSE I. Don't 'cause I don't Wanna be either. Do you know what I? Mean like I? Don't WanNa do either. In that instance I guess I. Turn My back on women. What I've come to in the in the yeah go ahead, I was just thinking like. Is there. Is there a way you do that where you don't? were, you aren't involved. Like you aren't publicly involved in the twitter aspect of it. Is there a way to just I? Don't know, just say okay. Cool. That's what I'm going to do. I'm maybe not post about it, but say to yourself without anybody watching. You know what I'm not gonNA. Say anything against my friend Chris until I see. Concrete evidence that I'm convinced of and then if that happens, then I'll donate, but do none of it publicly. But what difference I had this argument, my friend Danielle. What's the difference between that and like the crime stoppers? Meaning when know what's the difference between, because there's all these another old man phrase, which is What is it? Silence is is approval, so if I say nothing as the fight is on twitter. So I can like. Oh that's too bad. It's like that's not support. So no one has a better option. We'll don't say you're going to get why not I'm saying I. Don't believe this and I'm and I'm saying I don't believe this for reason I've Seen Delia off thousand nights in a row, a not an aerobic thousand nights probably over the last ten years like literally if you think about it. and. And I've never seen him with a woman who looked very young I will say I was under the impression that he fucked every woman over twenty five. I didn't know. That he he Whatever whatever this is whatever you call this. Yeah, I mean. If you win, you work at economy. You get all the. We know all the dirt years before that ship. Pops Louis. We knew everybody knows about this stuff. It's like open secrets. And I actually have seen diliah. In a row like probably like between two to four nights a week for the last I don't know seven and a half years. And I'm on. Yeah exactly he has visions. Don't get me wrong, but. They all are carded. They're all. They look old. I, would never I never heard like? I literally never I was thinking like. Were there any girls that were like dodgy and they're really warrant none that I could tell. Whoever came to the store looked like some of them have like plastic surgery. That makes you look older to me so. I. Don't know just something about it. And then when I see these people are taking these clips from fighter in the kid in Theo's where it's like Oh. Yeah, he likes them under age. I never like that result if he liked them, underage wouldn't joke about it. Do you know what I mean like? That's a she's talking. And be like they're so obviously joking in. There, so obviously joking and people are taking You know they're just intention they're willfully taking. They're just taking it out of out of context and like they knew, and it's like they didn't I didn't know shit and I'm an Iraq and everybody knows me. I recognize patterns. and. I speak about things so so the idea that I should have done. Nothing would have been somehow letting someone get like. Pat Pat you know trounced publicly someone that I that I genuinely like and have had. A lot of funny, it's funny. It like we did our hours together in comedy central we did are we didn't come into the world on Netflix's the like, not it. It's almost like I, it's like being drafted in the same year in the NBA or something like i. have an affinity for Delia and I've also seen him be fuck. He's a fucking very hilarious motherfucker like shit that I could tell you. He said if you don't think he's funny like. Be Funny. Million Times so ma'am? So that thing of Willie sucks. It's like okay. The guys you get from east sucks to pedophile so so then I so then the next day I I posted a thing where I said like I ask for proof I more or less got it. And If I knew Chris was doing the stuff, I wouldn't have been friends with them. And and and the justice system is completely ready against women especially when it comes to sexual. Assault violence, whatever and and we need to rebuild the system, but when we do rebuild the system. It still require proof you know. and. And then people were mad at that. I said. Here's the money five thousand dollars to. Rape in and says. Rain I don't know yeah, and And and I said I hope you. Understand, the impulse to protect. And then people were mad at that, so I took that out. so and then I put up. I'm for due process with the wealth's right. and. People were. They didn't like that either. They're against due process. So you're just not going to win in this in this situation there's. Again it's like saying I'm for speed limits. It's due process. The fucking you, I mean. Here's what I've realized. Okay, 'cause I. Don't here's what I've. Come to and and tell me if you agree or disagree. So Martin, Luther King. Who I love quoting and he guides, he guides me especially. If I'm in trouble I love quoting him in a way. That favors me He said that that that riots are the language of the unheard right. What I would say is screen shots are the language of the unheard. In that? Women have an option which is. Mob Justice mob. Justice on social media. or No justice in the justice system. And they're like fuck it just it is because there. Because the justice system is so awful from literally the time you say I was raped until a the unlikely event that there's some sort of justice or even a settlement, it's all awful. male detectives. They don't do rape. They don't really they don't even they don't even process the rape kits. Your, Vaginas on trial your whole. It's everything's on trial. That makes it unbearable. So, what do you think be but I? Don't know what you're you just like kind of said the situation I mean like if if there is if we reform the system. Are. There still needs to be yes, but but I don't know. The thing is what if so there is still going to be need to be proof, but I don't the the bigger issue beyond rebuilding the system so women even with I would say screen shots or the language of the unheard women need to. you know like that, they they don't go there if they could go to the justice system, they would. Right but what like the bigger issue is even once even if we got to a perfect, the only way to litigate sex or prosecute sex or is with cameras? And emotion meters I. Mean if you if you really want to be honest, that's the best way to do it. Because the forensics on sex are are impossible, I mean there's no real. Way To go about it? You know what I mean. There's always there's no like this and then this. We're not gonNA have that because it's sex because it's. Intimate because you could have been raped and then also had sex prior. How do we discern that also? Yes, and you're also dealing with guys, not understanding whim guys literally your. Women who are are when it comes to sex have a lot of conflicting. Emotions and men who are uniquely unsuited to reading emotion exactly, but the problem is. Because it's, it was so fucked for so long. Our new thing is this you know like you said? Screen shots this kind of social media evidence. but They're there the margin of error? I feel like is going to be big I feel like something could just. Look bad and already you're being You, know your reputations being on trial, even if nothing that bad, even before I saw evidence of underage girls, because at first, it was like. They were twenty. Nine. And twenty two. I still haven't seen evidence of under it I've seen smoke of underage girls. I've not seen fire of underage girls. Exactly, so this guy's repeat reputation is. I mean his is in the dumps. and. We have to the I think it's closer to the federal prison, but dumps fine. What are we going? What if no evidence presents itself? No one's brings charges. Everyone just kind of wants to make a claim online to be like. Yeah, he's a piece of Shit F Y, it's. The kind of just people put out warnings. People put out just advisory like four women. And I think they're interesting because. I think they're important. You know maybe there is the disparity between bringing charges. Against someone and just like yoga by the way, this guy's a fucking creep. You! Know like they're yes. I mean plenty of interest twinbrook. Yes, that's the problem. Is the the whatever whisper network or whatever is? It's okay. It's the best option. And but it only it has. It's only an on off switch. There's no. There's no grades to it. It's just you're either. It goes from zero to rape. To mean it's liked after nine eleven year. Either you're either a you're. Neither you're either a Muslim or a terrorist. And there's no difference it's like The the the odds of once you get painted with the brush. It's not good. Even, Louis and Aziz and right. COSBY's. A serial rapist, but In Z's. Are Not. They still work, but it's their reduced. Their reduced and and in in Lewis case. I think it's more merited than this case. Rid these is reduced as a person. Like the light that the lightness is gone, you know. so. By so. I mean Chris, Hardwick and other one where it turns out. It wasn't true. But. He, couldn't if he says if he like boldly says this was not true. Then he seems like he is a victim blaming and shaming, and and whatever all the and not believing all women and not, and that's the thing that even if I said Hey, can we take that into consideration? I'd be considered a piece of shit. Can I say iggy Azalea banks that you fucked eight three weeks ago? No like. They're both women. It's only I. No one's GonNa. Believe me, but it's only gonNA hurt. Poor, people. Do you know what I mean. By that, said he, only now, having said that I also don't think that women are that. Are are likely to say Shit online that. Is. Is You know disprove a false right? Yeah? So I. Don't know what the answer is, but yet in in Chris. Hardwick case that's I believe what happened and Dave's case. I believe that's what happened. But if we go back to the Muslims in nine eleven, what ends up happening? Time. Eased all ease some of that tension, it was basically just time people just got. We spoke about it more. We talked about hey, but these people like poor seeks being like unfairly targeted right after nine eleven like we're not even. We have nothing to do with. That, how a counter! What Guantanamo Bay hundred dudes there who didn't? They didn't even bring charges against them? They're just fucking. Parked in in a in a box in Guantanamo back then. It's like it's better for all Muslims but the guys who got accused of nothing. are still in Guantanamo, Bay and as Americans. We all go like well. fucking serves you right. Is Yeah right well if you hadn't been at the thing. 'CAUSE like in case they're going after. They're like it's like. Santino and and and Theo, and all these other guys are catching stray bullets. That had fucking nothing to do with it right and people are trying to drag me into it like woody, you know I don't fucking know anything 'cause I'm forty six and if I knew someone's fucking underage girls, I would. Absolutely, said something. Right. As evidenced by the fact that I said he didn't cause. I also would like we have. It's part of our group. Our our young group of young fuckers like there's not you I'm not part of. Kabbalah and we fight our battles on twitter. But again you forget how dumb people are and how suggesting people are? and that they just WANNA go. It's like the Jeffrey obscene kind of reverse like. Like, he was murdered. Okay, so what but even the way we treat a? Muslims wasn't good and the thing with Muslims is it was it was like we just moved? We just got a little more specific, but that first three years. Was A fucking hell for them and again I don't feel bad. I'm not like it's GonNa be a Hell I. Just think that when it comes to mob justice. It's it's it's. It's flawed in a different way, then Then regular justice. You know and and it's just not really a way around I. Know So. That's the I mean. Here's why it's in some ways. It is like looting in Matt. Because of the looting. They chain. They're like okay. We'll give it a chokehold. It's like they go. We'll do stuff hopefully. I mean I don I I had the thought. That Delina is alluded store right. And Spike, La. Yeah, he's he's Pi ironically enough. He's Flight Club Ironic. Their people they sponsored him for a long time now he finally gets to feel what it's part. Maybe it's part of the sponsorship. But he got looted, and the difference, between Flight Club and and a person is fly. Club has insurance. and Chris may be getting looted. Kind of falsely or incorrectly. And in, it's in service of women fighting a bigger. Battle or bigger war, and he's a battle that he may be collateral damage in a bigger battle, but that's still. wrong. If he if he did it, did it. Go Away. You know what I mean. So I just had a thought. What if this new era as an entertainer? You had some sort of insurance. You could buy insurance. You can buy well ironic grin by. defamation insurance. You can buy insurance like basically mouth insurance. From what you say. About you get like I, remember them off. I remember Dave saying it be like. They brought it his attention when when he got popular. And I don't know what it costs or whatever, but you can't. What's The insurance? So if I mean that the insurance wouldn't work because it's like. If you get falsely accused of sexual misbehavior, then will give you money. Like the it's there's no incentive for him it. He has to pay in it. There's no right I'm just thinking like if there was I just feel like as an entertainer especially now there's just this trend of like. and. There is something weirdly satisfying not to me, but I think as spectators, there is something weirdly satisfying of people being brought down I I see people being like Ooh. I always hated him. has nothing to do with. This situation you, don't you not liking his jokes? Has Nothing to do with this, but there is some satisfaction. People are getting. He also can come across maybe smug like some of his Let's see comedy. You think he's talking about like how great! He is I don't fucking. Know I read a lot of feedback and a lot of. It's like I. Never liked that guy. You know and that's really that adds onto the mob. Rule not becomes a pile on not because. We kind of lose focus and it's just goes to like Whoa we took it down. You know it's like as we're protesting and we're marching. were making something happening happen? And we're coming together for good like it can easily be done the same way so. I I don't know it's weird like the more power we get taking one thing down. That's why people like Oh. We took down to Leah. And there's this between like those guys. There is this kind of overly macho. Some people say toxic masculinity I think they're cool, but. And I feel like people just want to take down, whereas most of them didn't do shit. Literally, it's just their friends, but there is something. I don't know psychologically satisfying for people like you. Then like let's go dig in the crates. Let's go see what else you fucked up on. Let's see where you said the one comment. That's discussing so I. Think it's. You know I don't know how. How to curve this. Social. Take down this mob mentality. I don't know I mean that's what a friend of mine said that covert. He thought post. Covert canceled culture would be severely muted and I was like. No, it's sweep. It's too sweet. It's too fucking sweet and. You also feel powerful. It's sickly sweet. It's absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. There's no system for. But again, also, it's all women have. It's all women have so. I get that. I absolutely get that. But. But like it's all, but but at the same time there's no. There's no. There's no like levels. There's just one level which is an isolation. It's a nuclear bomb. And I've realized twitter in the last week is is gladiator. It's it's the. It's the Coliseum for famous people. Is that they just they will go ahead. Twitter Karate. It's not good. It's like not good and. I also think what Chris did wasn't good. Even if it's even if it's I thought some while you're talking, which is? That's another risk. I run because there was a thing yesterday where it's like. Why don't you? Why don't you re Tweet Joey? As thing right Joe. Rogan podcast. and. and. I'm like cousin I. Don't know everything I've ever said on a podcast. Do you know what I don't know I? Don't know I, but I also know that if you wanted to get. I know that anyone can get got at any point. In social media in there's a Rogan where we just talk about the N. word the whole time. Yeah like and Dave was like I'd never heard to wipe it. We'll just talk about it like have a relatively constructive conversation about it. And but. I mean you know what I mean like so then I go. And then people go would how do you explain this? And then I'm that right? It's like. Yeah I. Don't have any stuff, but I have. All of these are moral issues is what I've been saying. It's like their moral issues. Racism is the moral issue sexism issue sex in and of itself gender relations. It's all moral. and. So I can get. Chris on an everyone on. Here can get Chris on A. On. Praying or whatever whatever you WANNA call the word for young women, but But obviously you know Marc. Maron used to do a joke like twenty years ago. You know they. They made a law about underage women for reason. You. Don't make a law unless it's popular. Unless people keep doing it clearly. This is a thing for people and borne out by. A category called barely legal. They have a magazine. They used to have magazine barely legal like it's an absolute thing and I don't think anyone if they're us if they like that sort of stuff, I don't think that they. Look at an eighteen or nineteen year old and go. She looks too young I don't think there is. You. Know what I mean, so so this is clearly like a category. And then I also think that there's an element of like some sort of addiction or pathology that that gets people into this. That May. I don't it doesn't forgive it or any, but I think it's possible. So I just don't have as black and white because all the women that are men that are coming down on, Chris. It's like, but you're just three weeks ago. Learning so much about race. Be that you didn't know you didn't all these things so is possible. The Chris just didn't know the way that you were racist. Your whole life. And didn't realize it was very obvious. Yeah, it was obvious to everyone, but you, so that's the problem, and also you know have to admit I will see. Raises People on camera or sometimes just people saying really races Shit, you know it's not always like sometimes people in a really bad moment being fucking awful. and. The Internet will take him down and I. Fucking love it and it's like loser. Loser House Losers, scholarship and I'm like he got the jets motherfucker. But, when it happens to Chris, and he's a friend of mine, or we're friendly at the sorry just like. All Man Damn. You know you'll like. Dude not not cool but. I don't know I don't know it's hard. It's hard to. It's hard. It's an impossible I mean this is where they this is how they built the legal system. Thousands of years ago, they were like but you gotTA. Consider that and you've got to consider that and you gotta consider that and it is a good system other than. It other than its massive biases June I mean which hurt. A lot like. Probably. Way More than half the population so like, but it's in its. If it's done correctly, it's a good system. Right. But but also sex. There were no sex laws before like a couple decades ago. Like you could, you were allowed to rape your wife. Literally like so they don't even have a system set up for sex crimes or whatever you call them. the yeah, the also the thing of like believe all women. In light of You know Hardwick Chapelle. who else mentioned but but But also look at all those women on Camera Li- like the lady in the park. Like the line at the guy with the dog like the it's I. Don't think that it's common. But it's like I don't. Looking other women. Videos of Karen's doing calling. No, Andrew, see on the cops for no reason. But I don't think women are incapable of lying. So that. The term believe all women is like wall, but aren't women capable of lying, also 'cause. You saw like a in jamboree of women lying. But that's different. That is when they say believe they believe all women. It's in terms of like a sexual content at TEX, so hey, believe me I'm the one that he just came into. So that is really based on gender wars. That one is just those are just dickhead people. They happen to be women so on race. No one's saying believable women. So well, but now they're not but for a couple of hundred years they did. Yet you know what true as fuck? Yeah, that's what I'm saying like so as. Many as an ally. What can you tell me what to do? Tell me what to do like I that to everybody. I said it's like the two. Women in terms of sex are highly oppressed and. Black people in terms of everything are highly oppressed, so tell me how to. Thread this needle. And and I want support my friends when they were accused of Shit, I don't think they did. It turns out. I may have been wrong. But but but that's the thing it's like. Do I want to be a coward? I. Don't know I don't know I don't want to be a coward and I want to be the kind of person who. Stands up for somebody when they when they get accused of something, it's not he's not OJ. I'm not like oh juice. I'm not you know I'm not. I'm not I'm not online going like fuck. These women are like I don't if you're GONNA. Call someone if you're gonNA. Accuse somebody a crime you call if you called a Bijon my friend Bijon a an arsonist I would say. Him Having a book of matches does not make him an arsonist video of him, doing it or scraped something, but any an arsonist, but until then I don't think of a piece of Shit for saying. You need to prove this thing before you accuse them of it. Even though it's about sex. I don't think that it. You know you're as much as people WANNA say. It's Anti women are anti victim. It's like. Now, it's just pro proof. you know like I don't so. How do I? What's the? What's the the you know? The burden of proof is on the accuser right, but how do we change? where? There's. There's a crime, or there are crimes that are popular. They happen often and frequently and. It's very hard to prove so how where we go from there. You know I don't know that's what I'm. That's what I said five minutes ago with that cameras. and. Legitimately emotion meters. which are wouldn't do not exert literally, don't exist. But if we could in the end, it's just basically like this is weirdly the next best thing and not. Bad I mean. The Not. Perfect. It's pretty bad. Well I would say. Do you think the percentage of dues that have been taken down? Falsely compared to the ones that were accurate is a of no, I mean. I think it's I. Think it's if. Down the right guy. If you takes on the right guy, then it's not that. roaches margin of error is really detrimental. Someone's life entire life I would say so far. It's like one ten one in ten just went down for the cause false false accusations. It socially. I don't think women lie about rape. I'm not one of those like I, don't I? Don't think women lie even one. I don't even think one percent of women line about rape. I just know that when it comes to. Accusations I just my friends get accused Shit. And and it's. It's and I'm not talking Chris I'm talking my black friends, my ears. I'm going to start calling them. My acquaintances of black because people don't like it. People hate black friends Comedy album is going to be called my friends. No, it's going to be called a queens of color so I do think. This is in a man versus woman thing. I think they'll a lot of women. Do Scrutinize People come out with like hey, this president if they come out with like a claim against something, I don't think women are all like we believe her. Because she has a pussy like I, think a lot of women are like. Privately they are privately. It online again. That's the arena. That's the venue so even like with Hardwick I don't know for sure. I didn't follow it up. And I know really do we don't do follow ups also with right so and I don't even know what I know. He's working again, so that must've been. Something must have happened. And I've heard what happened and I don't know if I can say publicly because I don't know what's in the what's online right right, but that's the thing so like you go well. It's pretty good system and he's like. Okay. And what? What is he guilty of then wrong? Place the wrong time. Or maybe not being the best boyfriend or you know what I mean like. It's like that's the problem. The problem is also for example the situation with a friend of mine. And the dude in question is addicted. He's he's a Shit at master manipulator. Just all around dirty doll ga! But has done nothing. So my friend wanted to just. Blast it you know just post about it. About him being able. Yeah and and other girls were like Oh me too me too me, too. So then it started catching i. mean it's a small like you know whatever, but you know it's not GonNa make anybody's headlines, but amongst the people who know it and the extended group, it is making waves. And the problem is like okay now you're kind of tarnishing zoos, reputation, and making it seem like you know. If you put Hashtag, survivor, it's like. Would you survive? Great like the dude wasn't. He's just addicted, but at the same time well, why can't she warn people like? Why can't you put him on? Bless? It's just throwing your clothes out on the front lawn. You know. Internet poses nearby. I mean the again. It's the the the differences. If he applies for a job, it's there's just like repercussions that. Go. It's like throwing clothes up. No, it's not no. It isn't and also what's to say that the same impulse of he was kind of an asshole. Then metastasized as in two. Pedophile. Of course, my whole thought was that. Of course. It's just like throwing your clothes on out on the lawn to. That immediate impulse, but then it lives on the Internet forever, and then we can google his name, and what if all the shit pops up because it's on twitter and that at? And so it goes arms and legs. And really all he did was just be a fucking asshole and so. You. And then I mean I will say did criticize. Are there like girl like? Get over it. You know like get over him. Fuck Him. So I think there's just this weird line of like. Oh, by the way he's a Dickhead, and you can say that to your friends like Hey, girl, you're dating him like. Just so you know, but once you do it on social media. It kind of it lives in infamy and. I just I. Don't know like we tell people. To be. Careful what you post about other people while also I just don't know how to regulate it I. Don't know if it's like a checklist. What he does think about it. Don't do this. Think about if this is affects. You know there's the we do checklists. There's like these PSA's about like careful what you post you know like. What is it? Say It forget it right it regret it or something like that. So. Twenty. One! Cat. See I have one, too. So I'm not sure the checklist, because both I understand both sides so. I don't know. Are you scared that you know when like someone you're just like? Wow, damn I'm worried about some shit, but I I know I didn't do anything but I'm still kind of worried. I'm saying well. That's what I said. It's like I feel like Muslim after nine eleven where I'm like I didn't do it but I. But. I'm also so Catholic that I'm like. I remember even going through. As as me through TSA after nine eleven going like. Do I have a bomb on me. Right like? I'm not a terrorist right. I would tell myself I was there and I did have my bag the whole time like Chris Rock have that joke about when the cop pulls you over, and it's like. Is Your car and you're like? Is this my car like you stop you stop believing. You Start Questioning your reality? Oh yeah, when they're like. Did anybody help you with your bag? The healthy pack your bag Mike. You're like I mean help my mom. I don't know. Yeah did my launch yet, so it's. kind of but I I don't. I'm not worried about sex stuff, but also. It's not up to me. Yeah someone else you can't even. In the either beholder, it's like. When someone's like you're the hottest person I've ever seen. You're like you're wrong, but okay That's how I feel like you did X. and I'd be like. I didn't think that's what I did. But and that's where as as a Guy I wouldn't mind cameras in and and emotion meters. 'CAUSE I. DON'T WANNA. have sex people that don't want upsetting to me like like I. Don't WanNa I don't want there to be. I. Don't want there to be any doubt or any I. Don't WanNa feel weird or I. Don't WanNa feel like it's dangling I. Don't WanNa feel I also don't want to feel like. I have to be nicer to women to avoid them pressing a charge on me. Do you know what I mean like? That's a fucking. Shit not even like press charge, but just think differently of our interaction. Yeah do not remain. But well, you know this happens to people on comedy or celebrities and we talk about every time. We say the same thing like. There's no good way to go about this. There's no. Tried and true. Hey, if we just do this, we can avoid all of this so. I didn't know it becomes challenging to talk about because you just like fuck, what are we? This seems avoidable. In terms of Chris Oh. Absolutely. Absolute- just like Messi says like who the fuck doing. This I I. Don't know if there's anything illegal. That's happened to be perfectly honest. But you know well. That's what I'm suggesting what it's like. It could be any of us and it's like. I couldn't. I don't really do that, so in this case, it couldn't be really do like you could. And I actually swear to God. Try to when I'm. texting with the woman I don't know I tried to Tech Shit. That would be funny if read in court. Just because. I mean it's just I. Don't know if it's paranoid or I am people. That will not text me stuff. They're like call. I'll call you. I'm not texting about this and those are that you know. They're smart. Those are the smart people. But. Yeah I. DON'T I? Don't it's not good. I'm not you know? The I'm not I'm here. Yeah the the I had a thought is which is? I wonder why screen shots are legal to take and post, but voice recordings aren't. In that, it's a weird I. I'm sure it has to do with like the phonograph for like I'm sure it's a law. From the early nineteen hundreds of the late eighteen hundreds should has to do with because you can't record someone's voice, but you can take screen shots of their writing. The funny thing is. even if I recorded your voice. It there is still a chance. Give me and we gotta get expert. It could still say it's not him. I mean he there's that's the thing is. Nothing's been proven. Right like a Bieber got accused of rape, and he brought up Fuckin-. Truckload of evidence. disproving it. And yet so and I think the it goes from feeling bad for the woman to feeling bad for him. Immediately and I guess it's it's all unavoidable. Yeah, it just is. The shitty thing is for. Especially somebody like hardwick. Is. It's very. You. Look like a bad guy. By defending yourself, Bieber had so much that it was like he didn't seem like a bad guy. Somehow ran also because he's five five and looks like a woman. That, maybe have something to do with it, but he didn't seem like a bad guy, but if you say if you fight too hard, then your. Then your victim shame shame shame blamer the Cetera et CETERA. So. Yeah, there's no winning. No real way, because even if you prove yourself, it's still slide. It's still. It's still ICKY. Still part of what people. Feel about you. And! Most people will not get an accusation accused against or brought against them. Just most people. Won't you know? So the fact that it even got brought up against, you and people know we can't really prove it. We really can't prove it. You know and everybody knows that almost not in your face against you well, we can't prove so. What are we GONNA do. Yes, so passing when you think about now. It's I mean I'm like Kinda down today because I just. The more I think about it. I'm like man, fuck like and not about him. I mean about. I'm overjoyed about him. Kidding the joke I've been doing is It's it's a tragedy, but. As as the guy who had to follow him for the last three years. Yeah this couldn't be better for me. and if anybody listening has information on Sebastian, MANISCALCO. Bert, Kreischer, or Nollie Wong view have any information on Ali. Wong or Elisa Slesinger, I will pay top dollar. Will for any sexual miss giving 's? So So yes, so. It's a fucking. It's A. It's a bummer if you think about it. Right will will not miss women telling me Oh. Yeah, that's what I now the less we talk about the Leah. I'm the one thing I'm so sick of is whenever I would bring up in the last decade. Women always told me how they didn't think he was good looking and it was just like. Would you stop it like I? Don't first of all. You might not, but as the guy who has to follow him, trust me. Women think he's good. Looking more than seventy percent of women think he's good looking. He's looking around the world. He's six three broad shoulders. He's got. kind of like a face your route for that's not exactly good looking. Yeah, in a big head and fun hair. And he dressed nice, and he's fucking very funny, so. Say what you want trying to be like I like you neil. Now, but it wasn't even women. They go out of their way. It's like it's not A. It's a thing that guys have no impulse to do. Guys are just like Oh. Yes, he's not like. Elliot's pretty hot like if a guy doesn't think she's guy's pretty hot, it's. Occasionally one of those like. Red. Redwood, norse, supermodels will come along like that women love and Gay Dudes, love and guys are like I'm. But. We're not like the difference because they're so rare. They come along. Like once a decade whereas I could name five people that we'll be like I. Don't think he's okay. All right lady. he's here. You don't want to meet him. Okay cool! You, don't even want to say hi back right I didn't believe you. So. The Fun. I had a funny thought, which is the screen? Names are funny when you're like she rates. Dogs is bringing up charges. Like just funny like not serious. FIDDLE FATEH L- is saying that Christie Lee is editor they call. It will be nine, yeah? So. So so that's the other thing that's been coming up is. Because of. The Joey, Dee, as and the The. Makes the comedy source sound like. A real Shithole, but but I don't. I don't find it to be I think it's like any. It's like a we work. That serves alcohol. There's like a lot of there's a lot of different cultures. You know what I mean like. There's not one. There's not just one culture. There's a bunch of. Different Cultures it's you know. There's different rooms. There's different cult. Early people. There's late people there's there's like the drink. Has There's. Yeah, headliners! There's the younger ones older ones again like as much as you think that Delilah in. Rogan and D as and. Some ways Burton Burton Sierra are are the comedy store. So, are me and Whitney and alley, and Mullany, a little bit and Kevin Christie and bobby like you know Santino like yeah. There's I don't know what the comedy series that place where. You know fifty Jessil Nick Works. The comedies are all the time like. I don't. Is He? The comedy store. WHO'S THE COMEDY STORE? I think it's the people that kick their a lot that have been kicking it for. Close to a decade or more. And that is kind of rogue and Bobby you Leah. What are what? What am I brought to the culture? Do you know what I mean like? What part do I bring anything to the culture that? Could be used to. Like sort of scrubbed the the the image of it, you know what I mean like. It's all Joe. Joe's big physically big in MMA and violence and And you look and and and is violence and we'd and and All his stuff. And, he's like the biggest draw there, so does he then become the comedy store? You know like well. Nobody was also gone for a lot of us to and there is still the comedy I think there's. was actually by the way it was actually way worse. While he was gone. It was way whereas it was truly gross. It was a dirtbag central. Yes, so when you think about it's kind of like the laugh. Factory is the. To kind of the forty niners of the. Comedy Clubs Right. There are very presentable. You don't 'cause you know whatever that's not true. Yeah I, hear ya I thought you couldn't I thought you couldn't. Because they have clean shows. They have certain shows that are cleaners. And then you have the Improv, which is like a middleman, and then the commerce is like a bit like it's on the grimier site. You know I think that's the vibe at least there. It's kind of like anything goes. But it's like the walls are black and. I didn't know honestly I. If to the raiders thing, it's the Walzer Black Guy. There's a lorraine it's it's it's. It's it's. It's like a maze. Sukey, right, yeah! There's a lot. Here's ghosts Kennison in the cocaine in this and of course. The so the idea I, don't you now? I. Know that I don't know what specifically. I mean I've heard stories from Whitney in. And and sort of like you know people being cheated her because she was a girl. Yeah, right and. And that's of you know twelve years ago when it was fifteen years ago when it was like. except I like that before that's before Rogan and all that stuff like that's like. I won't say named, but just kind of dirt bags and. and. Allie I don't know. I don't know I. Mean I don't think that I think the thing is. Somebody friend of mine always says women think guys are nice to each other and we're not. We're just talking about a thing that we both know about. But. We're not like hey I'm going to help you. I'M GONNA. Come by this weekend and help you fuck in. Shingle your house like there's no. There's no there's there's camaraderie, but I would say I've as much camaraderie with Alli Wong. Whitney as I do with with. fucking I probably have more with Alli Wong and Whitney than I do with A. Or a you know I don't know like I can't even think of the people. Yeah like I speak to them, you know. Santino I have A. A. Camaraderie with. and. There's also again thing that that it might not be. To the to the idea of like the COP, a comedian protect each other like. cops. There's a what's the is there. Is it ninety thousand cops in this one hundred ninety thousand cops in America? A. Cut on what the word is I. Don't know what the what the amount is. That's not. How many there are eight, hundred thousand policing America eight hundred thousand. That sounds more like it. Yeah, okay, so that's eight hundred thousand cops. About two hundred and fifty comedians. So so there is a you know I mean I'm talking about people that make a living doing comedy. Maybe it's five hundred I don't know what the exact number is, but. The level of I. Ask Fortune for one time do do you identify as more of a lesbian or And she was like. I never thought to median. Like, it's a real strong. Thing. So. I but I also don't think anyone is coming out and saying like these bitches are lying or any of that stuff like. I think it's. It's like okay. and and people were posting. Chelsea. Peretti, posts some about you know being the only woman on a show. And Black people are very very rarely. There's very rarely more than one black person and show. You know I mean there's a lot of groups that are underrepresented and I'm not saying like Allie should look at that I'm just saying like. Yeah. There's not a ton of native Americans either done Latinos. There's not a ton of. You know like it's it's. Seventies are statistical issues. If fifty six percent of the country's white or sixty five, I can't remember my numbers of real bad today. And a comedy show sixty five percent white. That seems good. But? You can also make a case that it's not representative of other people so. I think the word of the year is systematic. If I'm not mistaken. Everybody drink. Yeah. The Here's another thought I had about delay. which is the amount when people look for clues like he did, he was telling us. When he was on, you know they just offered him the part. It's not like he was like. Call them like Hey, man I'm a sexual predator. Make me an hard on your incredibly popular show. That's a that's a complete. happenstance, it's just it's just a coincidence. It's any coincidence. It's like yeah, but it's not. He wasn't. In his basement I didn't see the show, but apparently he's a comedian. Who Drugs People in this basement. Well, that is like the the Hollywood aspect of it, so it's watchable, but the interesting thing is like he was kind of grooming this fifteen year old in the show so like when you thought. None Oh girl, a fifteen year old girl. So when you thought he was going to be a creep. It's like ooh Henderson what's going on with Henderson. Which is his characters? And then she was like Oh. Let me come. To Young, it was like on paper. He said all the right she was like. Yeah, let me get you home. Dude like you're tired. Get Out of here, you know. It was totally like grooming her to be like. We're friends and homes, and that's it because you're too young. And then. And then once she finally was comfortable enough to. Pass out a come to his house. Then, he did the old switcheroo with drinks bloop bloop. Tried to drug her. Blah Blah Blah but he. There was an aspect of grooming this fifteen year old girl. That was weird grooming again. All was I. mean in terms of the screen shots Vinas just like suck my Dick. By that's not grooming. I'm going to be honest. The grooming I guess it was like I. Don't know I guess finding girls in high school. Is Weird and then just being like he. Like emojis like. How like what is? You, could scripts outgrew is next to you and they'd be embarrassing. You know what I mean like. Just embarrassing out of context but embarrassing but. Yes, but just. Can't ever I if you tax if I text a fifteen year old, and I and then I. And she said I would be like I. Am very so I am backing out of you know. I! Always think about that thing you said. Louis said to his kids like no adult needs to ever talk to you or something like that. Yeah, absolutely, that's exactly right Saint Louis. I don't know I think we said that on the show, but there's Naby said it, but. Yeah. There's never a reason if you're under sixteen. There's never a reason for any adult to speak to you. A stranger, so it's weird, but by grooming I mean had an I just feel like it's a stretch to say. He was grooming them. Yeah, now we're just into like, but but the thing that was annoying was like. Is He try? He calls all of his things. His his listeners Beattie's is this part of? His spell his name's D. Apostrophe, Ilia is that is d for The d like to stop it? Stop it with the fuck instate. Fake reasons why he was sending us a message. And then, and then the other thing that people say is all right, so let's this goes to the saving the culture change the culture of the comedy store. How do you tell an adult what to do? What could I literally brings you money to your company? But also just you and you. Even. Yeah, like you know. There's tweets from women and say it's like. I can't. I can't tell an adult. I, told a friend the other day Haymond Watch your health. fucking doesn't care. Just, become legs like fuck out. Like I'm gonNA smoke and drink, and do whatever the fuck I want, and and you're not gonna be to say Shit. Like If I go. Hey Chris you're flying a little close to the symbol of these ladies her. Like what am I supposed to say? I truly don't know what I was supposed to say. Oh my, that'd be so funny. He said that. Yeah. What do you want me to say anytime? I've liked pointed shit out. People are like. Don't fucking lecture me man. Yeah. It's just you can't anyways you. It's not your job to. It's also not your job to influence a culture like an establishment. We don't fucking pay rent. It's kind of all the culture of the time I hear stories you've worked here. It was blank. which is not how it is here, so it's kind of everyone contributes. And talking this out made me realize like Rogan's Clinton made the comedy star. Way Cleaner cleaner better improve. It's like. Didn't so when people hate on Rogan I'm like. What are you gonNA get Rogan for like what? A joke, but I don't know. I mean. Immunity. That situation of like. Hey, that's wrong I. Mean it, which Eddie F kind of did when Brad. Williams said that he snuck into a woman's room and all that shit about Mencia but but Yeah so. So I? Don't know I don't Joe is in. I don't think Joe's at fault and also. To the to the other point of of You know who affects the culture, the person who kills the most and the person who brings in the biggest crowd. So, and that, in this case in the case of the club was Rogin and Chris. Mallya I. I'm trying to think of somebody else like Ali doesn't advertise. Winnie didn't bring it as many people as Joe and Chris. who you sit kill Cry Bird Kreischer Burton Tom Bring people in. but You know I, don't I? That's the Colt. The culture is the audience the. So if people want to make it more like Largo, it's like Largo. Crowd wouldn't like the comedy store off Comedians and. And the and the and the Largo comedians wouldn't do well with comedy store. I mean if Y-y-you. And I shouldn't say a few actually a lot, but Capela rule used to kill. It was like the vibe different back when he was like you know doing like. But have. Broad and was like on Chelsea lately. Right so it wasn't I'm just like. Does it matter? Does it matter the particular comedian. Or is the five kind of similar. I think that he brought in more of a Chelsea audience I think back then. It was more of a Chelsea audience. Whatever that means you know. So. I. Just it's really it's not as easy as. The change the culture. Okay, how? Like how how tell me how your female comedians on? Okay, but what if a? What if? Even, not female, if it's have more blank comedians on. Okay, but what if they don't do well? Then what right? I'm not saying women in particular. I'm just saying if. Trump. What if they don't do as well as the people we use that the audiences I mean it's not like people that killed the at the store. Don't kill anywhere else. They killed pretty much everywhere so I don't. I Don I. Mean you know how you change culture. Stop serving alcohol. That's about the. Right now I'm talking out now now. We're going to cut this out of the podcast because. I'm taking money out of your pocket. Amen. Nobody honestly like out holes the thing that's the thing if we're talking about in the context of Delia he doesn't smoke ordering yeah. No I know there's no way to pinpoint takeaway this and then the leases there. It's like half the people are sober. Yeah I. Know I I'm not what I'm talking about. Out The comedy about transgression. It's about a benign violation. That's what Peter McGraw Buddy Mind defines comedy which is about as good definition. You're going to hear so violations that are benign and acceptable and fun and surprising. But the, and this is a thing that I spoke to a female comic about I have a joke with she. She was saying like people say. Shit there that's fucking discussing and I was like yes, but the problem is I go. Do you remember when I said to? You MS A woman that I've known forever and never had sex with I. Do you remember when I said to you? I think I would understand your vagina. And it's like an ongoing joke with us like it I go. You probably never had something less sexual, said you and your entire life. Then I understand your Regina. That's because she's like well. That's a case of like. It's a it's. A PERFECT! Throw you know what I mean like I like? Hit the Bullseye, Mike, but other guys don't know with the Bullseye is. So, it's you're taking. This beret area of what's transgression. What's too far and you're adding drugs and alcohol? So it just pre. Creates how do you change that culture? The reason the the laugh factory in the comedy and Improv aren't like that it's because they only have their smaller. And they? They're sort of corporate. Yet and they just it's like they're just corporate. There's not a bunch of ours is not a bunch of people that have been a long time. There's no there's no vibration to it also is the other thing is like there's no vibe. One last thing about all this stuff which is, is it up to? If you're a famous guy. Is it up to you to parse out. Why a woman wants to sleep with you and reject her. It's that thing of like the power imbalance thing. And and Because a lot of what's attractive about a guy is the power he has. Particular Guy, you know, so. Is it up to me as attractive guy to some people? Do I then need to go, are you? You fucking me for the right reason. because. Then she could say I, only because there was a power imbalance in a Mike I didn't know that you thought I was powerful. In, terms of power imbalance, it's this is. Here's the extent of my power. I. I woke up and. I meditated and then I tried to start the podcast at noon. Didn't get off. Technical issues than I had a conference call for twenty minutes at two thirty. Then we started this at three. I've been pants Lewis and you know what I mean like I just like it's not I'm not. I guess I. I if someone thinks I'm powerful. I have nothing to do with it. Do. You know what I mean I don't fucking know what you think. I truly don't know I'm not walking around like yes, all this. These are my grounds and. But you! Also you already covered that before while saying like you're not gonNA make the first. Make sure. Like I'm GonNa Kiss Your. Take the romance out of it, so you think you solve that one. No, but I'm saying about like a guy like Delia. If a twenty one year old wants to Fuck Delia. Is. The is the onus on him to. parse out why you can fuck someone for the wrong reasons you just when you say like. Like abuse of power I just felt like I had to fuck him. That's the pattern, but who cares if well, that's what I mean like as a guy. How can a guy? Play. Defense against that if he. Legal aged woman wants to fuck you and actively walks to value. Furniture! If IF I. See or she's like being Bitcoin IV. Let the problem with the problem. The problem is your dice. Don Guys don't can't discern women's emotions? Few wait till she makes it clear. She's the pursuer of. She's the captain. She's at the home. What's the bubble? I mean again I. I don't have a problem I. Guess I would just say what should. Other. People, what should other men do? How do they? How do you mitigate the idea of an what you're saying is do what you do. Nail, which take the romance out of this which I'm happy to spouse. Something's gotTa give. You know. Do you want to be one hundred percent chore that you're Not GonNa? Get into some hot water. Do want a little bit of romance. Likely covered here. I like the Romance. I'll never tell. No it just I mean. Something's gotTa. Give if I'm the one with a career to lose and reputation delusion money to lose. I wanted to be clear I don't want any funny business so I understand why you take. The woman's out of it. Yeah I. Mean I've thought about the I've literally thought about putting a camera in my bedroom. And, not sitting right, but not for not for I. DON'T WANNA? Watch it. Just for like. Hey pressure when they put Dash Kim's on all their cards. Yeah for Insurance, Yeah Yeah. That's the thing is like, but then I'm a pig. I don't know like it's just as a guy. You're like okay. I gotTA. Okay the woman owns the camera, but to fuck her to do it like you gotta set your camera. And she owns it she all her. So, she could deleted afterwards. If it's like all right right, delete it. She can delete it in press charges like that's the thing it doesn't if I, protect myself then I'm a pig, right? In like that's the that's why everyone thinks. It's as simple as a slogan like believe on, it's like now. It's not that simple. It's not that simple and I. Don't again if he even if you say that I don't believe that even one percent of women lie about rape accusations, but That's still you're gonNA. 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That says can banke start selling some sign photos of herself. Please now listen while we're on the subject. I have a good idea for I. Have a good idea for shirts. What is it dance twenty twenty for the election, but it's my titties. That's hilarious. Joe. You can't. We can't be known as a BOO podcast. This is what what they're going after the culture the comedy. Why are you bringing the comedy? The comedy store on our podcast where we have New Yorker Readers Bianca. We have high minding. Bianca we have high minor. We have producer music producers. Such as We have television producers says Andy last year. We have comedy writers Danielle Henderson we have a lot of gail listeners and you're trying to bring. Bring it down and I won't allow now if you want to run a run A. A Factory out of your van. No, I'm not going to stop you. What's your again? My My instagram I is. Yanni the money thing. What's the money thing? People will send you money, then Mo.. Is through your instagram. It? Is Your instagram name? It's not minor different, but okay. You you can find right near number email. So, it's I F X. W IT BIANCA I forward this year. There is a re I'll tell you why gun shy because. The New York Times Mitchell did A. Review of Chapelle show and mentioned. Dave's obsession with boobs because we don tube sketches like the first six episodes and. Then he tried to put it on me. I was like I when I pitched sketch I said we shouldn't do this, you motherfucker. It's bringing up a lot of hysterical to stoorikhel. Neal, Brennan's old man phrases you. and. Brennan's twelve stumble Ma'am phrases next letter. Well, you've got. My friends with benefits is also my neighbor in corona partner, we are both not in love with each other, but we are partners in taking care of our respective children and gardening and household cooking. Everyone thinks we're a couple. What do you think about teaming up during a pandemic? Just because it selfish for your family? just because it selfish for your family We enjoy jealous companies, but would not have gotten his intertwine without the pandemic. I'm not mad at that I. Hope I believe the way. A friend of mine thought that it would the Corentin. Lesson cancel culture. I believe that this will lessen. I just think it'll change relationship dynamics. I think more people are realizing that they're okay by themselves. Then then they are and I think it was a habit that people just had never broken. What do you think I think when people feel, they go to the quickest thing to make them feel safe and I think a lot of people felt unsafe in the quarantine so. If you need like a fuck buddy, corona partner to make it through. That's fine I. Worry about her. It seems like yeah heard Guy I think he was when I read I just cut the name, but but I worry that. I mean the problem is. You're a buddy of mine. One time was married to a A. This guy's married to Christy Turlington. Right and his brother is married to his her sister. So. His brother married another Turlington, so it's two guys from one family. To its ED burns, the filmmaker and his brother married. Christy Turlington and her sister and I was like. Have you guys know that if he gets divorced? You're getting divorced right like you can't get out of this. Like, there's no way around this so. So yeah like so so he's. You're stuck in that. You gotTA. You gotTA. have an exit strategy and I don't know if you're GONNA be able to get out of this or. You want at this one. You've got mail. You want dear banking and slinky. Dear Banking Slinky. My wife got upset when she saw that one of her white friends listen well listed address. Listed at us on Ebay when a promoted it on her social media with that a percentage in quotes. Of the proceeds go to. Is it, exploiting gladys matter to donate percentage of your sales to be a limb if you do. Does it have to be one hundred percent of the proceeds to promoted as such? Should she just have not donated anything? Thanks semi confused White Guy with the fiery Filipino wise. You know it's funny I fucking hate when people do that, and that's totally fine. If they want to donate percentage fine, but when you go when you do a deeper dive. A lot of times it's a small to after taxes. It's small percentage after it's. There's a lot of fine print. There's a thing in in I believe in Judaism where they say like if you talk about a Mitzvah they call it. Like. You're invalidating so. Just, do it. You don't need can. Promote it just do just give to charity. And this is coming from the guy who said if you can prove that Kristalina salt chew I, will give money, but only then by the way I was giving them I was gonna give the money up whether I got it or not. I was just making a I was trying to incentivize people to come forward so. Thank you Bianca? Thank you, thanks. What do you think that you know what it is to? People are also. I mean everyone if you have your own business. Chances? Are you need all the fucking? You can get so when people like a donate I just like hey. Or maybe? Dress all the proceeds go towards. This one thing will go towards a but a percentage of sales seems like you really want the photo op, but you're not really putting. You're still getting a photo op with one thing. If it's one item. One hundred. Hundred percent. I mean this is all gonna end up being the same. You know what I mean like I just think if you're going to give to charity, give to charity that I'm of two minds about this. Because whenever people promote that, they gave to charity. And whatever, but statistically speaking. If people see that you gave to charity, they're more likely to give to charity. So I don't so you know? I don't know what to do I don't know what to do. I'm one of the few people who can give to charity and have had people still hate him. Goodbye now That's what's great about me. I talk about threading the needle you've got. L. and Benke orest Neil I like that are. Are Sdn, Neil. Really quick. The, few times. And they'll be basking us. Knowing is that from? Whereas what? Where's are? A. It's I, get it all the time to it's from. We'll fortune when they do the final puzzle. They just say R.. S. T. N. L.. E. I to get it out of the way, which is on the show that's instead of saying love. The podcast love Chapelle show up three Mike's love the champs you just say ours finale and it and lets you know and also on the street. People yelled at me on the street now. That's pretty great. Which is all you want? That should be again. That should be the only t. the only t shirts should just be are. On the. Rest. But My. Designs, but again not a BOOB joke inside jokes. What is it and then you go? Here's what it is, and you still have your dignity, not a doc. We're not. Women even though it's pro women and we're just pro sex. Where love were sex positive unstrapped? Sometimes you've got not. Doc read wondering. If you have read competitive, former bastard cop got posted on meeting with the beginning of June basically the argument for abolishing police. We did I believe we talked about it right and he talked. Okay yeah, it's just not. They're just not good. They're just not good i. mean the guys that this guy talked about are not good. They're not good. They're not all bad, but there a lot of them are not good. Nothing About a culture talk about a culture of a workplace. The culture of the workplace is fucked. Yes and but the impact of the reason. It's fucked is because they're trained. It's intrigue. There's no boot camp for COMEDIANS. Do. You know what I mean like the Guy said it starts at training. It starts at training. They've symposiums where they like that murder guy that they showed on on Oliver where it's like you gotTa. Know whether you can murder not. Are you martyr? You gotTa love murder like the it's. That's a real culture based on. You, know dominance and masculinity and Seeing everyone is of. Criminal like she the stat this week. Ninety five percent of police calls in I. Don't remember I think it, San, Francisco. are like mental health care there? There have nothing to do with San Francisco Danger Right, but that's a lot of the San Francisco I. Thought it would be way hide same. This is not A. I mean obviously there's a ton of public health problems, but I'm saying like what's the highest it could be? In a in a city, so then distribute the fucking cops that way. If it's fifty percent sort of welfare than get welfare institutions. Plump. Plump, that's the word that came up plump plump the welfare. So we'd by the way I just realized. Says it plumped. That we do not have title for this episode and that's. I'm I'm scared to my core. I'm I don't know. Plump the welfare as good because it's got nothing to do with the Liam. Good Bio. tzoanos. You got this interesting. Hey, guys, I'm the white adoptive father of a beautiful brown skin boy. My son is a toddler, so I haven't been able to participate in any of the protests. However, I have been very active on social media I. Keep asking my quote friends to help. SPEAK OUT AGAINST RACISM. I've written posts sharing our stories of racist encounters. A lot of them have have, but still others are silent some of Of. Them are individuals that I've known for years. They are people who supported my family through our adoption process. Now I wonder. They only supported us because we were quote saving him. Not sure how to proceed should just accept that. They are not the people that I thought they were can I be? Can you be a good person who is just too afraid to speak up? I would love to hear your thoughts. You gotTA. I have some. Spots. So. I think the problem is that. It's not surprising. That is disappointed. White friends because black lives matter. and. This movement is very hard for some white people. Today Jess and They're not just saying black lives matters supporting de-fund the police and everything's like rigged against black people and racism is a way bigger problem than anybody wants to admit and I feel a lot of wiping bloom humble saying that. I feel like a lot more coming to terms with it but I. think a lot of really uncomfortable saying all of that. You know so I'm. I think he should just prepare to be disappointed. I mean it's it's. It's a kind of moral clarity what? I think that. I, think that the automatic assumption that people if people are posting on social media that means they don't support. Something is wrong. Meaning like Donal, the reason Don L. called me before I made my my world. Famous videos be and said you're not doing enough. I was like, but I hire black people and only work with. What are you talking about? And it's like that's not enough and I said like, but all my followers are liberal like I'm not converting anyone. right now. Son You got it comes down to. Your own I think it's more important. Support you when you're adopting a black baby than it is to post on social media. I don't know if they went black. Then they're not your friends. Maybe a But but I. don't but posting on social media. I. We don't know if it's works or not. You know the that's that shit is vitamins I don't know. That scientists out. On whether social media is actually helpful for for for for change. And also. I don't like being told what to post. I do though have taken I have taken. Note at the people aren't posing anything and I'm making my own. You make your own decisions. The at but I think. Getting upset because people aren't posting in favor of black lives, matter in your friend circle is just going to be a slippery slope to get your feelings hurt in. Yeah I don't. But I don't see why you would make a note of WHO's not posting. Black lives matter if they post all lives matter. That's noteworthy to me, but if they're just like I don't know I don't think it's I. Just don't automatically think it's malevolent. Fish like. Plenty of women haven't posted about Lia. It. Do you know what I mean like I don't go like well, then they support it. Probably are. either. Think. It should be obvious. So Dave won't say black lives matter. Does he seem anti-black? No but I think with black lives matter movement. There is this element of white silence. White silence has been a problem. Is Complicity again? This is the thing that you were sailing for earlier if I don't say anything about Delia or its. Silence is. Complicity I don't fucking know. Everyone's got different rules for different situations, and that's and I think we. Everyone agrees that we don't know. Social media actually is effective. And and. And I think that people. Just. Don't even think to die. That's not their first unless you're like. You know heavily into social media. It's not your first instinct. Like I've type. I have to type into a gaping hole of existence goodbye. You've got mail all right. Neil avid listener of the pot. Your discussion on reparations was interesting to say the least and appreciate your effort. I should say avid listener for your pod with two year pod with banking, but I admitted that because I. don't see this as my pod bank our pot. It's called being real ally guys now will I post about that? No I'd rather just give her the fuck money for the PODCASTS. Her the money, and then and fuck in and not say whatever fuck you, guys. This podcast is over. Your discussion reparations was interesting to say the least and appreciate the effort. What is not taken into account is. With all the hurdles placed in the path of black Americans way, we have both we've made it. We have made it competitive. Despite the judicial financial social had start by whites. Don't you think that frightens the hierarchy? So reparations can't be measured in money or even. Tax Breaks again I'm neil stand. I normally clap on the Jealous Comedians on twitter on your behalf. They don't get they don't get is I. Won't let him near me. I recognize your talent. Estimating the community is quite insulting, not to have one of your black American friends in on this topic, being is nice, and you definitely bring the aware white. Guy Perspective. We are not a charity case. No other group could produce the greatness and perseverance in a country that is downright hateful, yet enamored with US simultaneously. You need a black American view on this. Please one of your friends Love Banke, but she lacks the depth. Due to the due to being. She is not black. American only reason and it hurts that you don't see that. Don't get done, l.. I mean he's wrong. Because then again, it's like Don, l., not the right one and done out. Who I, don't I. This is what I was saying last week. My stance on. Black people could be lured could be viewed as me feeling that black people are pitiable and charity cases. It's just unfair and I'm trying to make it more fair where I can. And of course it's amazing. Yeah, he's black. and if it's amazing that that what black when able to do, and that's will Smith, said that an interview one time like. At the Africans especially look at black Americans like how the fuck did you do that? which is great, but it's it's imagine what you could do without at. That's the the trap is that I'm being condescending to black people, but it's more like A. I. How do you go about? Helping a group. And not seem like you've. Its charity, do you know what I mean? I don't think it is, but I understand the appearance and I don't see how you get rid of that well, also I take issue with is the fact that how because? My family background is from A. Is Not African American I mean it's a if not that far off at wasn't born. There was born here I'm people don't? It's not like I'm. Spared from certain experiences because. The check my twenty three and me four. Touch yeah. They touch. My hair ends not. Somewhere. Someone has multiple times or Josh. You're taking me at. You're taking me out of context. I'm kidding. Right. To discount my experience in this country, because my twenty three and me says that I'm. Like a thousand miles south of here route little bit less like something about it is very. and. Happy, he's an listener. He wasn't trying to insult me on my intelligence. Just simply that I'm not a black, American and I totally understand read. Coming from, but I think he's wrong in speaking on behalf of. You know the the. The ability for me to to understand and be a measurement and a voice to black women in this country who do experience racism and sexism, and all of the things I think I'm perfectly fine boys and even. I mean you know it is what it is because? I think he's dead wrong? Don't cigarettes. In the name of trying to be representative, he is completely dismissing all of my experiences. I don't share all of my experiences on the podcast. something. Problem for me I. Wish you'd open up. Anyway, some things are just your you know. These are just like boulders and. Here at this point I. Don't need to prove it to you every single time, but I certainly am not going to. A man who wants to tell me I'm not black enough to. Believe the term for this is color ISM. and In. Dark, skin enough, yes! It's the. It's the observation that a friend of mine made. I'm I'm making a concerted effort again. Who or whatever that a friend of mine made? that. Obama. Isn't. He wasn't born. It's his dad was African. and His mom was white. That's a different experience than. Black parents. Descendants of slaves. This guy's mad that you're not descendant of American slaves. You know I know then. That's the that's the that's. The RUB is like you're not incentive slave, so you don't know the exact experience, but it, but obviously the pitfall there is like well. That's not a monolithic experience, because his skin color, or because of because of lineage and I mean I had a guy one time. That girl that I sent you a picture of? Samir. My my ex girlfriend who I dated. WHO said like she's Trinidadian and. Middle Eastern, right and somebody said. She's not and she was. She grew up in Montreal never liked. She's not really black like okay. You know what I mean like I get. I don't know what the what's the true black experience like you have to have done time and you got to. You have to be chased from school and you have to like I. Don't what's In you had to sling rocks for six months and then you the the end you gotta be? Dr You have to be. You have to identify with. Fuck and Wesley Snuck. You're not light skin, and you're like all of these fucking. Caveats that are just possible for act like woo is actually black. And of course I can't get involved. With for me, it's like I've spent my whole life being told, I'm not black enough I'm whitewash. I'M A. fucking fuck off. Everyone Jesus, Christ. I've I've spent my whole life being told. What. Do. You know I. Spend my whole life seeing a mirror of what my blackness is to other people and. There's plenty of people who like their families Jamaican Trinity all over the place, and no one's going to be like. A real black. You know what here from your black like? It's gross to do that because then. It's like okay, you're black. Will you had your dad growing up in your house? Your I'll real. You're light, skinned you it. You know it ends up being a much grocer conversation than. INTENDED TO BE NO. I know because if you start if you interrogate what Israel black, it gets into awful white stereotypes about black people. And you end up sounding what? The thing we don't like about this system. You end up just kind of perpetuating it onto me and. So. Bless thank you for listening, but I think he has huge. Huge holes in argument about. I mean yeah but I don't I maybe. Have done. We're educating goodbye. You've got mail. You guys talked to the podcast. About cops being able to fall back on the I was scared defense while agree with your thoughts on the subject. The US is fucking scary about guns I'm from Australia. Where we had a mass shooting in the nineties, after which they all long guns and handguns were banned I can imagine that as a cop in the US knowing that anyone you pull over can be armed as terrifying thought and add racist cops and shitty training into the mix and you end up with. With a lot of black people killed senselessly. Here's my hypothetical question. Do you think that black people will be treated more fairly by police? If neither the US population, nor the police had guns at least in this scenario the scared argument seems pretty weak of police Obviously, there are still racist systems in place, but at least blind people aren't being shot. It seems like shooting as low hanging fruit for the scared situations I know there are thousand moving pieces to police. vis-a-vis racism, but interested to hear your thoughts on this one. I mean. I. I they would racism always finds a way man. It just always they would just cause me of rate. I don't think statistically cops I know. The cops have to legally approach. Cars are not legally but. They have to approach every situation like. there's potential for violence is with pullovers with pulling people over, but I don't think that. It's in that pastor cop article that they showed a lot of videos of cops polling people over and the people killing them with guns. And and so it just that's in the first week. So that's what you think being. A COP is so every time you pull someone over you go. It's like that video. If you only watch porn in the for like that's what you think. Sexes sexes yeah. So you very disappointed, so I don't. I think that racism would find a way. And I think that the amount of people that have guns in traffic stops has got to be so small. and and of and pulling it on a cop like that only happens in movies. Man I mean I'm not saying it never happens in person, but the amount of cops that are killed on the job is during its it. I had it at one hundred. trayvon looked it up and it's more like fifty five a year. the rest of them are like run over or like the fucking. The at some other shit happens like they're not run over maliciously. Die Them now especially because. The problem isn't guns. You know that's just a symptom of it. Also the guns in this country. It's such a bigger issue than like well. If police didn't have them, you know. Yeah, but if you eliminate it, all guns like you said racism would find its way so. This is one of the few countries where you can have, and they're still racism and equality and unfairness in plenty of cities where the cops are. Fairly unarmed and so if They would just become i. he was reaching for an axe, so I had to hit it with my axe. and. Be like okay. Like it would just like my police knife, he went for my police knife, so I had to slit his throat like okay. there's also that history of drugs thing where they when they gave cocaine to black dockworkers, who may have been slaves? It made the Slaves Berserk and they needed higher caliber guns to kill them because they were so cocaine crazed up. So again, it's just racist and finding a way. It's just like Oh. Okay, we'll find we'll just. Shift it goodbye. Hi, this is an interesting one. You've got mail high neaby. That's a comment Danka visualize if you will. What if Neal was female? How People's reactions to his personality with different? First of all? You know, I'd be sexiest fuck? would. Would he be successful? Respected by peers in poppers alike because I gotTa, Tell Ya as a female lifetime subscription to the Neal Brennan Lifetime. My values and personality have not gotten to respect and success. I deserve in my career as a lady Neil. I do I don't use my sexual sexuality dumb myself down play the victim or engage in gossip like I see many of my female counterparts parts doing as a result I am not particularly accepted by female co workers, or ideally considered by mail employers also I will be forty one soon and I wore. The workplace will increasingly devalue as society directs I like who I am. I'm friendly in INCON-, but I. don't Collar Cajole. Anyone thinks she's misusing. CAJOLE which lady Neil would never do. True Lady Nail would never do and I come to work to W. R.. O. K. work. Is Love me and the relationships I built with them are directly tied to my comedies. Revenue is really infuriating. This is not the most important thing to employees considering me for pay raises promotions, or just around all around professional respect. So what's a lady Neil to do? How do I get respect? How do I? move up in the world with the body and voice of a middle aged white lady, and the personality and soul of Neal Brennan. fucked if I don't fake who I am. What knickers and what knickers phreakers and Brinkley's wrinklies winkle. I mean Jesus Christ. That's a lot of a lot better. I'll tell you. You would be far less likable if you're. You can pull off your personality in a guy. It's not like. We kind of expect like it's in the realm of possibilities. YOU IS A. No nonsense, every rational analytical intellectual believable block kind of stick to your like weird rules. I call them ethics I call them ethics, but yes, I called the morality and ethics, but go ahead uh-huh I call them weird rules. Dome in the name of fairness. So that kind of hard line approach to your worldview I think. We respect in a man and a woman. It's harder to digest. She's cold. She's Bitchy. She's like ice. Queen. You know all these stereotypes so because we want women to the little saw, little more nurturing nicer Blah Blah like more empathy and so I just think she would not be nearly as successful as you. Accept you even though you're a bit of a quarantine, Dude, you're still you know Sulu like. Deal. Now, I like him. Where the girl! It's not as palpable thought like it's like. She's might cold. Yeah I. Mean I feel like I agree with you on the one hand. I. Don't I mean when I think of like what what I'd be like as a woman, it would probably be like. Schumer. Off! like wh whenever wolves on the daily Sharon and they like you guys are brother and sister I. Don't know what you're talking about, but cool like either of us know what the fuck. Anyone's talking about In terms of mant man Neil isn't that successful. You know what I mean like Daniels. Neil successful as a? Comedy writer but manuals not successful as like a as comedian like if I looked like burt and had birds personality in my jokes, I'd be as successful as Bert or or or cigar if I was more visibly lovable. I'd be fucking is hot. Singers now cigarettes hot now because of because he lost weight and he's got beautiful is. Beautiful Eyes and you could tell him I said that. I do think so you think if you so we as a man that less attractive you are. Lower. I think it plays a part I think I come off as Jagat in grouchy and if I had the same thoughts and and work ethic and output and I was better looking. People fucking way, but I be Leah if not for this face. I'd be the one getting canceled, but I'd be. The toast of the town has been for the last ten I. I'm not saying I'm as funny as it's just like it helps. That's the thing people don't realize like Dave looks like something. Dave isn't like good looking, but Dave's not ugly, and he looks like a character of Dave. He's handsome. Yeah, Dave can be handsome. Chris is Chris Cleans. The Rock Cleans up nicely. Jessil next good-looking delay is good looking a lot of comedians are good looking. People don't realize. Ron White's kind of good-looking Jeff. Foxworthy's kind of good like of them are ugly. You can't be other not Egli I know. I'm not ugly, but I'm saying I'm not as if you're saying the if I was a woman. I. Think you can do well as a woman with my. Engine. Especially now I think I, mean or or I. Think Phyllis Diller was like A. fucking pain in the ASS and Joan rivers is pain in the ass and they did great. So well as a woman I feel like it's better if you don't look that good. As again that's dicey. If you look man you if you if if. Halle Berry could write jokes like Chris Rock. No one would care. Would discounter now. Really don't think. They would be. She'd be a fucking. She'd be amazing. No one would discount and we'll be like fuck that. Bitch with incredible point about bullets and guns and were so, what does that mean well? I just think like as much as you said that it being a good looking woman hurt you I, disagree. Because I think Whitney's. Alley. Alleys kind of gorgeous. Like Schumer's good look like. Good. Looking man helps you tell. Yeah Tashi is very good looking. Like. Delete was very good looking. Kevin good good-looking like. All these guys are attractive. The people don't realize it, but like they're all very likeable and attractive, and that really helps whereas I look like. If I don't focus on smiling I look like I'm nauseous. Goodbye next question. no I. Know what you mean though I know Wa you've got. Somebody asked me about Sam. Harris and I'll just say quickly that I think he just. cherry-pick stats on that podcast. I tried to listen to it. He just had chimney. Stats were easily debunk -able because what he doesn't. Realize he? He didn't. He didn't consider over policing in black neighborhoods and similarity of crime crime stats drug use robbery. All that stuff and the black on black crime is bullshit. Everyone does crime on their own race. You just crime as local so that's my. Short Answer Here's a racism question. This is very fuck interesting. This'll be our last question. You've got Bianca Neil I'm a Mongolian Swedish woman quarantine with my partner in a white neighborhood white neighborhood in Georgia since Mongolia's shut down everything you know, Mongolia's and we'll let anybody in. I didn't know that. I'm not keeping tabs on. Mongolia and Sweden's gone off the deep end. Anyhow I'm current Lee neighbors with a white celebrity. Let's call her dollop scene. She is Super Nice to me possibly to prove an anti-racist point since I'm the only person of color here I'm wondering if it's worth leaving a note in her mailbox or inviting myself over to talk to her about the positive impact, she can have by using her mostly white platform and her money to do something good. Maybe there's just crazy talk. Maybe growing up in Sweden's made me to focus on making white people. Understand would love to hear your thoughts. Yanga is how you say. Is Her name Y. A.? N. J. A. and the first day. Has the fucking spice over? I don't think you can tell. Anybody to do anything. I'm sure polythene realizes she could use her platform and is actively not doing that. Despite a Mongolian Swedish woman! Trying to stick up for black people. Bianca. Yeah I mean. I, H leave the note. The. No, but. Why not I mean whatever, but because I think she'd regret, not doing it. But at the same time it's like you know. She's not gonNA. Use Her like you also don't want it to be a hostage situation. That's the Hollywood. Me My neighbor left me a script two weeks ago on my door. And it's like dog fuck in Jesus. CHR- like so now. I just have to avoid them. It's like I don't know. I never talked to him. And so that's the thing of like what policy knows what I know I can. If I need a script, I can find his grip. I don't need to what you're doing is you're encroaching on your making me less comfortable in my own house? Because I feel like I'm at any point, I can be served with the script, and it's just as shitty place to be. You've convinced me, don't leave. Don't don't do that in her mailbox. Yes, l.! I agree No, no, no. Yes, no, that's fucking weird. Now. That's just you saying someone leaving you a script is it's so creepy and weird and just yeah. We'll are they see me as an opportunity, and it's like that's the thing I'm not a fucking opportunity and I'm also not powerful to have a huge region social media of course I'm kidding. So big driver hit podcast. With with a non black person who if you ever would hard a black person out. Full Black Person. Not Done L. and I said hired. I mean partnered up all right. Let's Bianca thank you. We don't have to take this shit. Get outta here goodbye. I think as A. Student to think about. And that's. Everyone.

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Tech competition seeks climate, COVID-19 solutions

Climate Connections

01:30 min | 8 months ago

Tech competition seeks climate, COVID-19 solutions

"I'm Dr, Anthony Lies Wits, and this is climate connections. Technology can serve any purpose including the greater good. Down Inspired Entrepreneur David Clarke to start an annual competition the call for Code Global Challenge. The. Basic idea was to create this Justice League for good where we would encourage developers around the world to solve social challenges with tech solutions and really create. What would be akin to the Nobel Prize for developers. CO-FOUNDED WITH IBM and in partnership with the UN the contest offer cash prizes and help bring promising ideas to market issues a different challenge each year. Last year's competition focused on preparing for natural disasters, which are becoming more common as climate change causes more extreme weather. The innovations that came out of it quite frankly were amazing and are actually being deployed right now. For example, the winning team was led by a firefighter who lost a friend to smoke inhalation. He created a wearable device that monitors air quality, an firefighters vital signs this year. The call for code is seeking solutions for two of the world's most pressing problems covid nineteen and climate change so soon the world may see winning ideas moving to the frontlines. Of climate connections is produced by the Center for Environmental Communication. To hear more stories like this visit, climate connections dot Org.

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Fires In California And Colorado Cover The West With Smoke

Environment: NPR

02:42 min | 5 months ago

Fires In California And Colorado Cover The West With Smoke

"There are nearly a hundred uncontrolled large fires burning across the western US right now in California Colorado Oregon and other states the fires have forced tens of thousands of people to flee their homes and the smoke is affecting millions as NPR's Nathan. Ross reports that is especially worrisome during this pandemic. Stephanie Christianson is a pulmonologist or a lung doctor as she puts it who's already on the frontlines of covid nineteen. She's an assistant professor at the University of California San Francisco and over the last few days and week as fires exploded around the bay area filling the air with acrid smoke sheet and some of her colleagues started asking each other. Every apocalypse packers now is it feels kind of like we're. Doctors it wasn't exactly what to expect. Going into this, the smoke from California's fires and others is blanketing most of the western US blurring skylines and creating haze from the west coast to as far east as Kansas and in that smoke is something that Christians, and says is definitely not good to be breathing particularly during a respiratory pandemic an air pollutant called PM two point five. It's this particulate matter which is really really tiny thirty times smaller than the diameter of a human hair. So it's really really small and that means that it can lodge deep into your lungs where Christians says, it can cause A. Whole host of problems that can increase the risk of as exacerbating COPD exacerbations, heart disease issues, and she says potentially cove in nineteen the viruses new enough that most of the research into links between it, an air pollution like smoke are preliminary but Christian says they do know enough to speculate that smoke inhalation could make the virus worse and it's worrying health officials and researchers all across the western US I was initially really worried about wildland firefighters Luke Montrose is an assistant professor of community and Environmental Health at a very smoky Boise State University, and served transition my thought now. To today's the first day of school at Boise State and the first day of classes for a lot of schools K. through twelve in the West in normal times. MONTROSS says during Smoky Fire Seasons schools can keep windows shut but in a year like this closed the windows and potentially increase the concentration of virus that could be spreading around the school because you're trying to reduce the amount of toxic wildfire smoke a situation he says where there's really no good choice. Out NPR news.

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4am Fire

Tales From Helheim

10:04 min | 1 year ago

4am Fire

"I live in an old apartment building. I've been here for about two years and my roommate and I've had very few scary experiences so far except for this one. That happened last summer around four in the morning when we were woken. I'm from a dead sleep by the fire alarm going off throughout our entire four story apartment building. Seen this place is occupied mostly by seniors. First we figured someone left the pot on the stove again. Grumbled and blindly grabbed for blanket. Last time we he had a false alarm. I was left shivering and barefoot on the sidewalk waiting for the fire department and I wasn't about to let that happen again. Oh my roommate and I put her shoes on. I grabbed my phone and keys. We poke our heads out into the hallway. Nothing seemed off. The hall was empty. No one else had come out of their apartments yet reluctantly. My roommate and I walked down the hall toward the lobby. We figured our neighbors would soon follow suit. It was on me when we went through the lobbying out the front door that we realized something was actually wrong. A handful of people who had already come out of the building were running and shouting about how the building was actually on fire. This time we follow them around to the side of the building is more and more. People fled in their pajamas and to our horror. We saw an apartment on the top floor take belching out flames. People were frantic searching for water. A ladder anything. Someone remarked that there was a lady who lived in the apartment who had mobility issues and she needed to be rescued now. And where the hell is the fire. Department may roommate. It was quite disturbed by the whole scene so we decided to go back to the front of the building away from the fire on our way we saw guy jump off his balcony to the ground and he rolled when he landed. But I think it's still really hurt. Judging from how he sat on the grass and grown for a while he was lucky to only be on the second floor war. There was chaos yelling screaming an odd mix of panic in disinterest especially the among the senior citizens who didn't want to leave the building because using the stairs was so difficult. The Fire Department arrived much quicker than they ever had before for seeing as this was a real emergency and it wasn't long before the elderly ladies and nightgowns were being rescued via ladders and wheeled off to the hospital next door at one point. The man who live below the apartment on fire had a screaming episode one of the landlords. The one that looked like like a walking skeleton with an oxygen tank and a scooter by the time the Fire Department got everything under control. It was around six or seven. AM The sun was up and people were beginning. Their morning commute the fire department had blocked off our whole story which must have been a pain and the entire population of my building sat on the curb in pajamas and blankets. Little kids old people broke. Oh College kids the works. The community really pulled together that morning. The public bus service gave us a couple of buses to sit and warm up instead of standing around on the chilly sidewalk. Paramedics handed out blankets and assessed injuries the people in the surrounding houses. We're kind enough to bring us water and snacks. One Lady brought a serving tray with mugs of tea from our own kitchen and offered a tenny when she could find. Aw My mom came down to rescue my roommate and I even though she lived in our outside of town and hadn't even showered yet. She brought US breakfast and change of clothes. As we didn't know we'd be allowed back into the building the most disturbing details of what just taken place that morning came to us as we were waiting on the bus everyone was talking about the fire. Of course aw. But one man had a particularly horrifying detail to add hear through the grapevine that the lady's apartment catch fire never made it out of the building sadly we suspected as much with her mobility issues. Aw but there was more. The firefighters apparently founder founder in the hall. She had made it out of her apartment but couldn't escape the smoke whether she died from smoke inhalation burns. We aren't sure but one thing that demands it sticks with me is that someone said as they stood outside and watch the flames. They heard the woman screaming screaming. Help me I'm burning. I've always been afraid of burning to death. The idea that my neighbor may have had such a horrifying finance is deeply disturbing. I know the man who lived below her heard her screaming. He wouldn't stop talking about it. I think he ended up with a form of PTSD from this event. And I don't blame him. We were all brought to a community center. Where where the fire department and Emergency Response? Volunteers helped bring some clarity to the situation and told us what to expect. Everyone was very kind and sympathetic. Attic to us. Whenever we needed they provided for us. I think all of that was pretty standard procedure but still. I was extremely thankful the kindness of the volunteers firefighters paramedics and good Samaritans. It was pretty surreal to be in a situation. I like that almost nothing on us. My roommate hadn't thought to grab her phone so she had to borrow mind. Let her family know she was okay. We we had no money. No I d none of the essentials and we had no idea how long we would be homeless. I hadn't been so I'm happy to have my mom with me in a long time. I felt like a scared little girl even if I didn't show it. We were lucky. The fire happened on the opposite end of the building from us. Our unit was totally an affected. Now we were one of the few allowed back into our apartment that same day. The building stunk of smoke for weeks. Even though the fire took place on the fourth floor and a single apartment. The damage was extensive. Even on the ground floor the walls were blackened with ash when they attempted to start fixing up the building they found. It's bestest in the walls. Few people were forced to move out of their apartments. Now we're talking about people Oakwood live there for around thirty years. I remember the night we were allowed back into our apartment. I wanted to box up my most important possessions and and keep them in my car. As if I thought the building was going to catch fire again. My home didn't feel safe anymore and it wouldn't for several weeks. It would take a long time for us to hear anything about what caused the fire. Last I heard a space heater was to blame but I don't know for sure. In the days that followed the fire was featured on the front page of local paper. The family that lived down the hall from us. We're featured in the picture. The article spell out the details that I had already heard it labeled a guy that live below. The fire is a hero for Tempting to save the lady upstairs. It was a valiant effort but there was nothing he could have done without endangering himself. I feel sorry for him and I often wonder if the guilt keeps them up at night. Sometimes I think about the lady who passed away in this building. I listened to a lot of go stories so I wonder for spirit haunts this place. Her sudden and horrifying death the be the sort of thing to make a ghost linger on earth. Wouldn't it so many things left unfinished regardless. I hope she's at peace and I hope hoped my neighbors have been able to find some semblance of pieces. Well four months later we've regained a sense of normalcy. Things are back to how they were before. If you nor the orange. Tarps are on the side of the exterior the restoration fans that come and go every day and the security guard stationed in the lobby. The damage is still closed while they try and sort out these best to situation but for those of us who live on the other end of the building. Things are relatively normal. I hope they stay that way. Well it looks like you never know when things are going to get a little too hot to handle. And you're at risk of being burned alive

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Oh No, It's Fall! (With Guest Biz Ellis from One Bad Mother)

What Fresh Hell: Laughing in the Face of Motherhood

52:28 min | 3 months ago

Oh No, It's Fall! (With Guest Biz Ellis from One Bad Mother)

"Is there anything worse than a fitted sheet that doesn't quite make it You Yank It for ten minutes and it's sort of precariously perched on the corners of the bed. Oh Amy, there is something worse which is when it's snaps off the edges and the nightlife Tangles you up like a victim of a spiderweb that's worse linen fed has got the solution. They're fitted sheets unique design means they work for any depth of mattress fitting snug and never slipping free wage and fitted sheets even fit adjustable mattresses, like Sleep Number beds and they accommodate Toppers Amy, which you know is very important to me because I like a fluffy bed topper. Yes. Yes. My special place went into collections come in Fabrics from flannel to Egyptian cotton two microfiber. You name it super affordable pricing plus free shipping and free returns so you can shop from home right now linen fit is offering listeners know what fresh hell podcast 20% off their purchase site-wide at linen fit.com when you use the code fresh at checkout, that's l i n e. It linen fit and use a code fresh a check out for 20% off your purchase our pumpkin spiced pandemic fatigue that took us what fresh hell laughing in the face of motherhood fall queen. I'm the queen of fall with Margaret tables and Amy Wilson played Hansel and Gretel stay six feet apart a podcast that sells today's parenting dilemmas. So you don't have to my plan for the winter is Danish, baby girl. Hello everyone and welcome to this episode of what fresh hell laughing in the face of motherhood. This is Margaret. This is Amy. And today you guys are no it's fall. Oh no. Oh, no, it's fall the little darker and colder every day. It's Fall Guys, and this wasn't growing great in the summertime. So now it's fall. We were wringing our hands. In fact that cure comes summer and now like wait what we have a guest today Biz from the one bad mother podcast who was lucky enough to live in California where it's kind of summer. So we realized we're talking to people from all over the country and in fact, and we're so International all over the world. Yes, so not everybody is facing the same problems that we are facing here in New York Darkness coldness, but again gloom-and-doom. This is a podcast about a hour pandemic are pumpkin spiced pandemic fatigue that's us podcast about our problems. You guys just has to do listen to our problems, but I guess everyone's facing darling. In the US, but let's go back to the season of fall because I feel like even without the special, you know, fresh hell of twenty-twenty. I hate falling you love it. I mean no surprise were opposites in this way. I bought the whole like chunky sweater Burr. Let me sip a hot beverage. I can't enjoy that for one minute because it just means that like pretty soon. They'll be ice and cold. I mean you're robbing yourself of so much joy follows the best I am fall queen. I'm the queen of fall and this weekend. I gathered some members of my quarantine pod of whom there are like five by the way and my sister and her kids and I went up to yeah, like a giant it's like the Disney Land of apples. Basically this giant fun Orchard. It was actually a little too crowded so we didn't have our best experience there, but still the thing, I mean it was crowded but it was huge. I mean, it's it got I don't know anything about em, Bridge but it's a billion Acres. You know, I mean, it's so spread out and so everybody was wearing masks the entire time outside. So I wasn't that freaked out about it in terms of crowd size. It's just incredibly carefully done and there was so much room to frolic and we picked apples. We got pumpkins. We ate apple cider donuts in the fields and we got lost in the corn maze and I watch like this is my happiest place my God, you can take your fourth of July and shoot it to the moon cuz me eating a cider donut in a corn maze is Peak Magda mean that's about as long as it gets like that's my happiest happiest thing ever. I was stuck in a corn maze like once with my kids like really stuck like tears and remember that the story of a couple of years ago about a woman who called 911 were just talking about it in the corn maze. Yeah. She was with her young children like the youngest one was in a Baby Bjorn in a corn maze and it was getting dark and she called 911 and of course was like rage. Over the Internet calls, but any mom reading that was like immediately, of course you identify with that mother like the three year olds to go to the bathroom and this stopped being fun 45 minutes ago. And why don't you make this freaking corn maze. So how long and let me in with multiple small children, you know, I think other okay. Luckily I was with a twelve-year-old my nephew who was like, I got it any kind of figured it out and we just let us around man home and my niece was also with this my two nieces came with us and they made corned punch the whole time they were like we're cornfused. This is a recordings in scorn fused in the corn maze. I'm a job in a corn maze like life is a corn maze right now. I don't need its literal eyes it. Yeah, you don't need to simulate the course Miss experience. You're like should I go this way or this way? I'm sure both ways lead to nothing but more corn right both are terrible. Like I'm getting a lot of that already. Yeah, we have very different feelings and thought I love like sitting in the stands of a football game with a hot apple cider and like a scarf down. Just it's my happy place. I love it. I love it. I love it. In fact, I lived in La for fifteen years and I was like, I have to get out of this god-forsaken place where there is no fault. I can't stand it so far, I feel like is the most seasoning of Seasons. I feel like because it's like the leaves falling and stuff. It's the most clearly delineated. You know what I mean? Like you can look out your window and see it. I went for a hike in the woods last weekend. That's how I do my fault alone a picture. You would like crossed arms angry the whole time and just like yelling at the leaves. No, no, no, no. No, my costumes would be like at the lake hayride long. May I put the toddler in a hay bale and like pretend that something that would happen when real life and try to get a picture of them with the piece of straw hanging out their mouth. I love your bitterness against fall. No, thank you, but I went in the Woods by myself off hugged around and these yellow leaves were falling in an honest-to-god looked like an Instagram filter, like it looked fake how perfectly symmetrical e and slowly these yellow leaves. Falling through my field of vision and I had you know ten seconds of like that is preposterously beautiful and I wish my kids were with me right now so I could get my Christmas card done but then followed by but by the time we come out next weekend, if we come up here hike again with the kids the next chance I could get them up here like too late. It'll be all dead. Everything's dead and buried and like five more minutes. That's what I think of when I see leaves falling. I love you. Ami Jani really cracking me up. It's awesome. So I'm really bring a lot of positivity to the coming months. You're not into it. And that's your right people are allowed to like different things. I mean, if you said to me like I'm trying to think I have an equivalent, but basically I always remember and I hate to say this because I know we have people who listen from San Diego and grape for you cuz I'm sure you love it there. But whenever you go to San Diego, I feel like people in Diego kind of ruins like San Diego's the best because it's like 300 Beach days and I'm like, you've just given Voice to my nightmare. It's like three hundred beats days is the worst thing that could ever happen to me song. Now and I'm glad that people who live in San Diego like that, but that's my hell but I'm sure Frozen February is their health but we just luckily home you live somewhere you like because people like very different things. This fall has been much more like everybody's I think pushing how much and how long we are willing to be outside in new ways wage in New York City. We have like outdoor dining has been a wonderful thing in New York City. It's like you're on a Boulevard in Paris and every restaurant has a gorgeous outdoor seating. Can you say that one more time? Just one month Boulevard loud liberal the full of people outside at restaurants and you know, it's like getting down into the mid fifties and we're all like it's fine. No. No, it's totally fine. Don't know. I don't even think I'm good cuz we're all trying to keep it going as long as we can because pretend we're having fun before we don't see or talk to anybody for six months. I was walking in the park with a friend yesterday. Like I feel like we're doing it. We're making sure. Work and I was like, I would be like, oh, it's 62 time I go inside but now sort of like I live out here. There is no inside. Yeah. Well, we've been having a hilarious dance with the outdoor living in that we had a fire pit which is incredibly old. It's basically like a rusty tin that we throw logs and we have not cared for it and it's a disaster. But of course we broke it out and we have a place we love to go in upstate that sells Sider off like alcohol cider, you know the good guide and we bought a case of it before we left Upstate when we were up there earlier in the summer and I was like, let's crack out the cider the it's like champagne. It's just so so good. We've already finished it spoiler alert, but we put logs in the fire and we have this outdoor furniture and we really gathered around the fire pit like and now the cider and basically two seconds and we were all in dying of smoke inhalation and had to go inside and so we were at a friend's the other night and they had I don't know if he built in himself or they had an outdoor fireplace which yep Really different than a fire pit. It's like a whole structure that is a fireplace that sits outside and we sat next to it. I will say it was only like Fifty seven degrees but it was so dead Heavenly and I mean, you've gotta give it some thought. The firepit is a little bit rough like by the time you get close to it to get any heat. You're basically just like in the middle of a burning building. It sucks. I have some a couple of weeks ago Margaret told us all that. She's going to be a Danish baby this winter everyone knows my plan for the winter is Danish baby because Danish babies late parents and Denmark will put their babies outside in a stroller to nap just for like the constitution of it the air and the cold is actually good. So Smithsonian Magazine, I'll put the link up in the show notes did an article about how the black people in northern Europe like Denmark Norway Sweden have a concept called freelance live. This is the Norwegian word. I thought you were going to say Hugh guy was like, well, we know all about Hugo but this is something new you got. Yep. So I got a new one for you. Sir. Huga is the Norwegian word. I think it's Norwegian for being super cozy like your cable knit blanket in your hot. Cocoa is hygge. Oh, I love it so much. We lift live is often Norwegian concept of free are living. I think it means and it just means you're outside. It doesn't matter what the weather is you love being outside because you belong outside like I love their ice festivals and they're outside and this is how it should be. Yeah. They're like the people from Frozen there like Chris stops people, you know, they're like, we love it the snow, right? So we need to put a little freaked us lives in our hearts cuz I think that's the fall thing for me like yeah fall is kind of pretty but I dread it because then it's going to be cold we have to be inside. So I need to turn that around for myself like or you don't have to be inside. You can just get extra extra warm coat and keep doing your long walks. I will say Amy in your defense that this is harder in New York City than it is where I live. So I live in the suburbs and all around town. Are like hiking trails and piles of leaves and the experience of being outside is different when you're like I have to walk up the freezing cold Windy Hill to pick up off and then I have to walk down like a hundred. I used to live right near where Amy lives now. I mean, I remember you would turn some of those streets going down to the Hudson River. Yep. And I mean, it's basically like someone is stabbing you in the face with icicles. Like that's not yes. I don't care how into Huga you get or free Laughlin you're into you will never enjoy the sensation of trying to pick up your dry cleaning and being stabbed High School needles. Like that's not possible to enjoy. Yeah. Okay. All right, I feel better. So I do think like you have to make some distinctions between like I'm going to make more of an effort to like drive up and hang out with my thoughts in her backyard, which you're very welcome to do. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to make more in an effort to like go to Central Park and take a walk. But even that your feet are on asphalt. Basically, you know, I mean, I think it's not the winter off. A little bit of a maybe like I don't know I scanned. He's probably not open to nevermind to that. I'm trying to think of something that would make you happy and like I'm failing but I do think walking through Manhattan were like it's a wind tunnel at every crosswalk that is just assaulting you. It's hard to get into that as opposed to I'm going to make sure that when my kids come home from school we put on our jackets and go sledding. Like that's more free lunch then like I'm going to enjoy the freezing cold walk to the grocery store, but drive to pick up the milk. I forgot to get yeah. Yeah, and I don't enjoy the part where I go out and sit in my freezing cold car waiting for it to warm up. You know, I mean, I just think you have to be kind of realistic about what's enjoyable and what's not because I think we sometimes try to be like, I guess I should be enjoying like shattering my thoughts until they break while I wait for my car to warm up that you never going to enjoy that that's horrible. Well this sort of fun of the everyday I have a quote for you from the mayor of Wausau, Wisconsin, who is probably a mom her name is Kathy. Eisenberg she's talking about why this fall is hard in a way that we thought the spring was hard. But now this is even like crazier hard because she says people are done putting hearts on their windows and teddy bears out for Squaw Fay have had enough and I think that's it back in the spring. We were trying to make our like trip to the dry cleaner with the kid in the car seat a little fun. Like let's all clap for the workers. Let's look for the teddy birth, right but it's it's oh, yeah, we're so done with that. We are done with making the you know, sort of Quotidien stuff. We have to do everyday a special warm hug. You get a quarter for that job and quotidian. Yeah, you know, we're done making that special it's not special. It's horrible as you would say. Yeah. Yeah and like I guess that's okay, but you're right. So I guess for me to stop dreading what's to come to enjoy the crunchy leaves for what they are and then trust that there will be good things in the cold dead. Darkness that awaits Us in the month ahead sounds easy. Yeah. I mean, I do think that your degree of difficulty is harder a man. I think maybe you have to figure out some ways maybe move. Yeah. It's a life. Well, you're probably not going to move but I do think it might be good to be like, let's try to go to my sister's out of the city. Yeah, three times over the winter and pick those dates earlier like yeah, I do think there's a lot to say 4 and in the winter the city is amazing, you know, you've got the windows and Christmas and 5th Avenue and ice skating and but I do think this year is going to be much much harder because none of the fun stuff is happening all of the icicles to the face are happening and I think maybe you need to make some pretty concrete plants and you can come up to my house anytime. Okay? All right, I'll do that. Okay, we'll take a break and when we come back, we're gonna talk to business from one bad mother about how her fall is going. Well Amy, the gift-giving season is quickly approaching and as you know song Maybe one of my least favorite things on earth is the great gift card exchange. Oh, it's so depressing here. You're like, oh thank you and a shoulder shrug. Oh, if you're tired of giving tiny boring envelope your friends and family check out Uncommon Goods for the most unique gifts. You can find online no matter who you're shopping for Uncommon Goods has the perfect gift. They've got art jewelry kids stuff kitchen stuff at home stuff. You name it often handmade always out of the ordinary plus you're supporting artists and small independent businesses. You won't find this unique creativity in any department store for a limited time. You can get 15% off your first Uncommon Goods gift by going to uncommongoods.com laughing that's uncommongoods.com for 15% off your first gift UncommonGoods cool unique and unusual gifts. I had such a mellow night last night because I treated myself to two of my favorite things an episode of a documentary about cults and a recess sparkling water Amy. I salute you for your choice of Television programming and your choice of nightcaps recess is a flavored sparkling water infused with 10 milligrams of CBD and plant-based adaptogens for bath Clarity. I had a black cherry recessed to be specific good one a good one. Yeah made with real fruit and natural ingredients, and it's way less sweet than a soda, which I loved, but it has wage a little something resets resets and rebalances. You helping you be more calm and focused even when your spouse is on speakerphone, that's a big promise Amy big promise to be calm cool and collected way. It's always a good time to take a recess take 15% off your first order of recessed by going to take a recess, and using the code fresh. That's take a recess off. And the code fresh for 15% off your first order of recess we are so excited to have Biz Ellis with us today. She is the co-host of the podcast one bad mother dead. Thanks for talking to us. Woo. I am very happy to talk to any human being at this point in time in the world including my cats who is not your child or yeah, it's not my child so often we know the feeling well anything but here anywhere but here right this how many and how old okay. I've got two children that live in the house one is six and eight grade. The other is she's what is she eleven though? I continue to insist. She's actually only eight and that's where our problems come from and girl cats and my spouse three cats at a spouse. That's a movie right there and they're all here. They're all physically in this house all the time. I mean Here Comes fall, right? Like wow, it's off. About to get much much worse. I feel like for us, you know, as I was saying. Yeah, the summer we kind of coasted a little bit in the summer. We were outside a lot. We didn't have to worry about schooling odd, but here comes fob. It's Amy. Your kids are probably they've aged out of Halloween, right? They they shot a Halloween will might drive a seventh-grader who was talking about her costume and stuff. But yeah, I feel zero stress around making it work like who cares? There's probably not Halloween. I don't care how secretly happy. Yeah. This is a huge divide because I'm Halloween obsessed my kids love how long were so bummed and half the people I talk to are like, oh the only upside of this whole hellscape is that I don't have to participate in Halloween kind of hellscape. Are you living at this monsters? What kind of monsters these are monsters speaking of Halloween, but like has Halloween been outlawed in your area. It has been modified by our town so we took I live in Halloweentown like its way. Yeah, there's certain towns that go all in for Halloween and I live in one of them. And so we usually start the festivities with the Ragamuffin parade, which is when the kids get in their outfits and March through the whole town. It's a parade and then there's a big Fall Festival cancel ragamuffins stay inside scrapped ragamuffins your choice all throughout. That's right. And then there's a huge section of our town that shuts down for Halloween and like buses come from all over and it's apparently like the sneakers tell you that if you buy in this neighborhood like you are expected to participate in Halloween, like every house has a crazy display with like zombies that jump out like people dress up and they jump out at people. It's a whole thing. That's all gone. That buses cancelled. Yeah fun is canceled. The police have announced they're not going to shut any streets down and like they encouraging people to like turn off your lights and like wage. Like a movie where like they you know roll down the shades. It's like no one's home. How's it looking in La? Well, they first came out and said no trick or treating and the entire city of L was like no doubt that unacceptable. We refuse basically people went a little crazy and within like a less than 24 hours it became try to be reasonable. Yeah, that's not going to go great guys. Yeah, our little straight has a lot of Littles a lot of kids like 234 a little ragamuffins. I suppose as ragamuffins. And so I've been talking and with some of those neighbors cuz virus the plague has really brought the neighborhood together people are out walking and talking to each other. It's just weird and so we are going to do a little costume parade socially distance just on our straight so that kids can wear their costumes and then for us we've been trying cuz we really like home. And we've been trying to be creative of how to distribute candy if people are out. Do you have the PVC pipe and once during the PVC pipe know now we're going to turn the front of our house until like, you know Candy cookie Cottage of a witch and then like, you know where her house is made of candy. So the front gate like our little white fence we're gonna make that look like, you know, it's made of candy and you can literally come and steal candy off of our house. That's great. Just steal the siding off the house. So it is is you are my kind of people all in on Halloween. I love it. All right Halloween is going to be a disaster. Let's be honest. If you live on business Street, it sounds like you're lucky for the rest of us. It's going to stink but it's only one of many things that are going to stink about 5, let's talk for a minute about creeping Darkness. I mean you live in California, at least it's going to stay pretty warm. You've got that going for you. That's true. We're just ending are you know, like wage? Are always like are so aware that for so many people who live everywhere else winter is a nightmare like fall leads to Winter. That's the thing above. Yeah, This is Amy's home base that you're on right here fall leads to winter fall leaves to Winter & winter is horrible, but here all the way until almost the end of October. It will stay off a hundred degrees. So you still can't go outside. Yeah, that's my bad place. That's the thing like people who live warm places. I'm always like I get it but I can't do a hundred degrees. No jobs. No one can everybody's inside just like you're inside in the middle of Minnesota in April. We are inside in the fall. Yeah. Just yeah, that's all right and dry. Yep and dry and don't touch the car seat. So do you look forward to his fall sort of pretty good for you? Because it's going to be 65 sounds like is that a different experience and dead? No, it's never going to be 65 here until January. And so this really is my sad time of year. I'm just like writing leaves are falling from the trees. But only because of a drought I feel like this year. I could relocate to Pasadena because it is I mean, we're already at Peak difficulty right now. We're remote learning with our kids. We're haven't seen our families. We're hiding from a pandemic and now cold does seem like it's going to be a problem and a lot of the ways we have been surviving so far have been a and okay we can maybe eat at this restaurant if we stay on the sidewalk and we can maybe see our friends if they hang out in the yard with a mask on and I feel like we're about to be plunged into like it's just a black hole of Doom. I think the reason I feel that way is cuz it's true. And on that cheery note. Anyway guys, welcome to the world's most depressing podcast is great to have you and it's pretty good who wants to talk about holidays next but wage want to find out like cuz that that is like the dread of this is the last day that I will be able to stand in. The sunshine feeling is Weighing on me really heavily. And like this is the last time I have to wage walk with my friend this week and we can't reschedule because next week is going to be dark and cold and you know, when I will never see this person again, are you living under less of that cloud in LA or are you also feeling like, oh, he he's terrible. I am of the camp of we're here for a much longer period of time at least in California, we're not going back into a building in the foreseeable future when it comes to the dark. I got to tell you here again summer is the bad times and fall and winter is when I get to look forward to walking again to going out on a walk and not like swell. So much that I feel like I should never step outside again. Yeah, we're like, we're in opposite fell cuz you're just coming into good and we're just coming into bad. Yeah, but I will say either way it's signal the beginning of a whole new set of if we just want to go depressing. I mean, I think we're we've gone they're right. We lived there Why Stop Now? Okay good, then let's get genetic deep now, but I do think holidays. I mean the thing fall always signals holidays, right? Like this is when all the holidays start to encroach. If you don't have a nice Christmas things up at your local craft store yet, then, you know, you are living in some sort of weird town. Okay, because like all the winter holidays. We're about to all hath go through that pandemic style. So, you know that's going to be fun. Well, and I do think that that is for me at least a kind of burgeoning realization like I have dead. Leave for a lot of the Year thought well by then it will be over like that. It will be better by Thanksgiving. It will be better by Christmas and we certainly were making plans of like well, can we get and who should we be gathering with and how will we do our travel so that it's safe and I feel like that's been my mode for a long time and the reality is now starting to creep. Yeah, and that like, oh, you're not doing any of those things you're going to be like sitting in front of a zoom camera you having turkey and crying. Hooray and like trading said gifts with I mean, the one thing is my kids are still little enough that and this is I mean, we have to find some positives guys cuz our listeners are basically like thinking about going out and lying and traffic right now because we have depressed them. So badly one thing I will say we have functioned my little family unit mean we hate each other we scream at each other we hate our lives but there has been something fun about being our little five person. You know, I have three kids. So I do think like Halloween is we're going all out on the costumes. I usually like pick sitting on a Party City. I don't care but this year like we're making costumes. I'm dying. My daughter's going into zombie bride. Like I'm dying the wedding dress grey like we're finding the fun and I think that's all you can possibly do and one part of finding the fun is staring down the realities, right which is like Thanksgiving. We're not getting on a plane and go to Texas that we've done everything is giving for years and we go to this Amazing Horse Farm and we deep fried cheese. Is in the family's all there and there's you know ponies to ride and there's a hot Walker to ride on and it's like the greatest thing ever. We gotta stare down that that's not this Thanksgiving. So like what's the next best fun thing, you know, do we put heaters in the yard and try to figure it out with friends? I don't know. But what is it? Well, I was just going to say from the positive spin like on all of this. I agree. That way we call it submarining and place, you know, like when you're on a submarine how you've got to make every space in your submarine function. Well, that's a good metaphor. I like that. I think that includes like things like traditions and celebrations. So one of the things that I love so much is that starting before October this neighborhood and surrounding neighborhoods started pushing the Halloween decorations, and it was really fun and people were going all out, which I love there's even one house that just went straight up to Christmas already dead. Like I salute them every time I walk by I feel like there's a lot of finding your own fun like that. I think I'd like to imagine we're all trying to embrace a little bit off more like you want to leave the Halloween decorations up forever. Great. Let's do it. Let's do it. You want to like go ahead and put a tree up. Let's do it. There was a house here in March like back when it started and it was clear what was going on. They put all their Halloween decorations and all their Christmas decorations Allah back just to be like, we're fun people wonder what New York City is like on Halloween. It's kind of great cuz you can go like around a high-rise apartment building and have like more candy than you can carry and you know thirty minutes and then there's these sort of Street parties which again of all been canceled. I've seen Tina Fey at this local block party with their kids more than once, you know lick and just like Humanity like ten thousand people on a two-block stretch. We're not doing that this year, but we don't have houses to decorate and so I'm getting the feeling we're here that we're like, forget it. It's like see you next year. Not doing it and that's at least that's my sort of thing that I'm bringing to this. Like it's I don't want to do Thanksgiving just the five of us. I don't want to do it like just we have pizza. Yeah, and that's fine get Chinese food like it's fine. Yeah, this isn't Thanksgiving anyway, and that is I will say we've been saying that a lot to like next year cuz that's all you can really do is next year. We'll do it again. We'll be back in Texas will be back with the deep fried turkeys, but I do think that a big part of this is like looking strongly at the reality which is depressing but more depressing is being like we'll get a stuffed tourist exactly what in the club and bring it out and that'll be just like Thanksgiving. Like don't go that route. There's no happiness. I don't know that sounds like a lot of fun, especially if you have a very large closet nothing would thrill this family more often. I didn't like opened the closet and like busted out you get it stuffed towards giant stuffed horse. What would your three cats think though? Oh, the three cats would be thrilled right? Yep. Poor Steve ride that horse to Victory. I feel like we the three of us are completely representing the three takes on Fall. Yes. Amy's is like it's over. Let's just sit in a pool of our own depression. There's no fall going back to sleep guys. I'm like accepted it stinks and try to make the best of it and Biz, you're just like I'm bringing the fun. I'm digging the horse out of the classic off. We're going to go all nuts. We've just all decided look, you know, everything is super weird right now like beyond weird and I think one thing that could seriously be celebrating is there's going to be a lot of pressure taken off of us not from our children, but from extended families and social engagements, you know, the exact times are the holidays if you've got like brand new kids, too you love right? Who are you going to go sit for that holiday? Who are you going to go visit for Thanksgiving or for Hanukkah Song? For like all of these things create so much stress in the lives of parents that this is like a joy year actually took this is a year in which we get to be like, you know, people have fake Zoom backgrounds to make it look like they live in nice houses, right? We should have like a series of like fake ha ye scenes so that like if you zoom with somebody it looks great, but like what you're eating is like peanut butter and jelly and like having wine right? Like everybody's like in pajamas off or watching movies all day, whatever it gets to be total chaos design your own like a bet guys. You're all Off The Hook em and has to make dinner for family this year. I think this is a win your Finance because we needed to talk to you today cuz we're just like to yours and you're like, come on guys. It's a total win. I love it. This is George. This is better. Actually, right? Yeah. All right, we're all going to try to keep a little bit of business with us in our souls as we head into fall. We're going to try to make it fun. Keep a little busy in your little busy in your heart this house. She's a little busy and you tell us about one bad mother about where we can find you and about where we can get more bids in our lives so much Bez say your life have a cup of beds being sounds off about that. So one bad mother it's a comedy podcast about parenting not a parenting podcast. I know people who like those comedy podcast about parenting so only been around for about 7 and 1/2 years and we just released today episode 375. Oh and what we try to do is I have people on to remind us that there are lots of different ways to have kids in your house and lots of different ways to handle that and basically if I was going to sum it up with one goal It would be to stop feeling like garbage for being a parent. So that's kind of what we try and push and yeah, so you can find us at one bad mother down wherever you download podcasts, which could be anywhere now. I don't know awesome. Well best thanks for coming on ensuring us up about fall goodness knows we needed it. Ya know I'm always here to put a spin on it and then immediately go remind my family but everything's horrible Taco perfect positive. Thanks for talking to us. No worries by month while I am certainly dreading the weather outside is frightful life. That's getting a little closer each day. But do you know what's going to get us through? Yes, Amy I do and it is snack foods and true crime documentaries off-key week. Oh, oh that too exactly how because kiwico creates Hands-On projects for kids of all ages to make science technology engineering art and math Superfund their projects are designed by wage. Sports and tested by kids and I can tell you what they are. Super fun guys. My kids made an automatic on like a little walking robot and let me tell you they were wildly proud of themselves. The crate came with all the supplies all the directions. 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My scarf is warm and toasty fall this year. My mask is cold and damp ball last month. Okay, this is Chris. I'm crazy. But just imagine if we could skip all of the hassle of this travel and the conflict and just had like a video conference Thanksgiving fall this year. You know what I'm saying? You're a drunk and a racist and I'm muting you, you know, Grandma shut off your laptop. You shouldn't have to see this. This has been fall last year vs. Full this year out from the what fresh hell podcast. Okay, I feel like we had a lot there with Biz about how bad it's going to be but also some glimmers of how good it's going to be. Yeah, and basically our takeaways we need to go live on business block. It seems to have a lot of energy. Yes for fun. Yes. Keep in touch with your fun friends. That's what I got out of that. Right? Yeah. Yeah, there are some people still having fun. I feel like our podcast doesn't involve to like a slug through the nightmare together friends and business like woo, we're decorating. She's into it. Love it. You know, I did an Instagram live with Sarah Powers from the mom hour where we talked about and then you can go to our Instagram page and go to Instagram TV, and you can find it and I've shared it to Facebook as well. So you can find it on our Facebook page at what fresh Hell cast and we specifically talked about sort of pandemic Halloween song. It's going to be kind of want wall and she had a suggestion that was actually one of their listeners suggestions that I thought was a great idea if you've really little kids for Halloween, which was to trick or treat in your house like just have two adults and have one person dead. In the Next Room, like let's go in the bathroom. Oh who's here old trick or treat and that for your two or three year old that's with their costume on that is definitely enough excitement for them. Yeah, that's a fun idea seem like while you're putting it in like the parent runs to the other room and you go. I mean that's a really cute idea in probably only works until like maybe four. Yes, but it's cute, you know, and what we the other thing we were talking about is back in our episode. I believe it was about going on vacation. We talked about how the happiness of a vacation somebody studied it as like 65% of how much you enjoy a vacation is thinking about how much you're going to enjoy the vacation. The anticipation is a large part of the enjoyment. I think it's even higher than that. Yeah, and they say like your happiness does not go up when you're on vacation, right? The peak happiness is waiting to go back to go and so, you know, can we try to turn around a little bit of our you know dread about like, how am I going to make Thanksgiving work? It's going to be so boring to a little bit of anticipation of joy and letting the kids. Get involved in the planning because that will be a source of joy for them. Even if they're not going to see their cousins this year. Yep. Good point. We're leaning in on costumes. I never make costumes more like I'm dying the zombie bride dress gray. We're really cuz we need stuff to do, you know on the weekend? So that's like kind of a project the kids are doing a lot of it themselves. We're leaning in a bit on the costumes and I don't know where the heck they're going to go in them, but they're really looking forward to seeing them. So the CDC put out a list of alternative Halloween activities. Okay, you have to put these up because they are so fantastically awful like you have to re-post them because we don't have time to read them all but wow, they're hilarious and sad they're sort of like you might not want to do the traditional Halloween. First of all, they say if you may have covid-19. You should not give out candy to trick-or-treaters guys. Are we really at the point? We don't understand that yet. Also don't go trick-or-treating if you have covid-19 go trick-or-treating if you're actually currently shutting I feel like if you haven't got them. Memo. Yeah, you want to do a little bit more reading. So they break down the Alternatives that you might do instead of trick or treating with a bunch of strangers and to lower risk moderate risk and higher-risk activities. So we'll start with the lower risk activity. The lower risk activity is doing a Halloween scavenger hunt where children are given lists of halloween-themed things to look for while they walk out song admiring Halloween decorations at a distance. Yeah, the low-risk ones are all lamb there like carve a pumpkin. It's like and we do that already decorate your house. Yeah, we got that already. Thanks have a virtual Halloween costume contest terrible. What does that mean? Like you consumed with the cousins and like, oh you like get online and zoom and you show each other your costumes. Yeah. No just don't do that. That's worse than doing nothing. Oh really Halloween movie night. Like we didn't need ucdc we know how to do those things already. We want to trick-or-treat while the adults drink beer and the kids run around and have faith. And have a scavenger hunt style trick-or-treats search with your household members in your home. That sounds much more complicated than just. Oh look mom. He's in the bathroom trick-or-treat Daddy's in the kitchen trick-or-treating CDC didn't come up with that idea. No open-air one-way walk through a haunted forest where appropriate masky's it's depressing. What one way walk through haunted forests. That's like, I mean, we don't we're not closed on this. We're not clear where people can remain more than six feet apart and the haunted forest. Yeah, please Hansel and Gretel stay six feet apart. All right, I feel like Halloween is a disaster and office possibly kind of the least of our problems. If screaming will likely occur in the haunted forest greater distancing is advised. Oh God, I mean, let's just get out of this Amy. I'm depressed back off this list, but we're going to put it up because you should peruse your own and then not do any of those things. And of course like maybe just say no Halloween or yes Halloween, but this is not the right thing. Well, I feel bad. That because they're in a tough spot, but I feel like this is not that fun. Let's leave the brainstorming to the five year olds, cuz with the grown-ups came up with is Wawa. All right leaving Halloween behind now we're heading into I think one thing that's been really hard for me is like thinking about I kind of feel like I had it in my mind that we were the holidays were going to be. Okay. They were going to be mitigated. Okay. Yes by now. We were going to be coming out of it. They're not going to be mitigated. Okay, and I have a unique situation in that everyone. I see at the holidays is a plane flying away. And so we're not doing any of that and that's a super bummer and this is where I can't really decide whether or not we're going to hunt on everything and just be like it's pizza and a movie for Thanksgiving or whether we're going to try to Cobble together something that will be possibly a sadder version than pizza and a movie, you know, I was definitely dead. For talking to Sarah on the Instagram live. I was definitely leaning more towards forget it. It's not the same any way like there's a tradition in New York City. If you're Jewish on Christmas day, everybody goes to a movie and then goes to a Chinese restaurant cuz that's what's open on Christmas day. Right? Like it's like the giant group opted out and I always thought that sounded kind of fun. So I thought like okay, that's what I'm going to do for Thanksgiving. I'm going to do whatever that equivalent is of just like we are not doing something different. But now that I have kind of come around to the planning thing can be fun can be most of the fun and letting my youngest kid is now thirteen years old girl. She's still young enough that if you get her on the right day and in the right moment will be a twinkle in a ride to talk about how to make Christmas fun this year. You know what I'm saying? Like that can still happen for kids even middle schoolers. And I think that meaning in fact that is worthwhile because it will be fun. I forgot that that's also the fun part. I agree and I have come to the same place as that. I have to remember that my biggest job right now is behave My kids Guide to the holidays, which I always so I think it'll be really different and pretty depressing for me, but I don't really think my kids will notice the difference as month. Like what am I going to make a turkey and the answer is yes. I'm going to make a turkey and then we're going to go outside and throw the football around together and then we're going to watch the parade with our blueberry muffins that we make every Thanksgiving morning. I'm not sure there's going to be a grade. You're right God. Oh my God, you know what it is. There's no parade. I know I was just thinking like, well, there's no parade. You've just ruined my home day cuz your exact it's like, you know when the lights go out and then you're like, oh it's okay. You know what I'll just make myself a smoothie and you're like the blender doesn't work either that's fine. You know what I'll just whatever turn on the entry and you're like no nothing works. Oh my God, Amy. I was like, oh it'll be fine cuz we're trying to watch the parade in the morning. It's not going to be a parade. What am I thinking about? It's going to be virtual. I'm not sure what that means. I think they're just going to have reruns of moments from other years, which is great. You know, what if your kids are little they don't understand. And that it's a patched together rehash put it on you got three hours of them and trance in front of the TV while you have the oven turned on its great. I'm still just sitting here absorbing no parade, but you're right. No parade, of course. What am I thinking? Yeah, no parade happening live, but they're still going to are the parade if you feel me and I think I mean I really think the thing to do is to cross over Alina and like we're truly thinking of Thanksgiving of like we have like a phone at every seat with like different family members on zooms. Like we're going to try to make it like and then you just lean into the silly name of it. You know, like how's it going grandma? And she's sitting there, you know, whatever we end up putting together. We try to just make it as much as it can be. Yeah, and I mean, this is just an annoying point because I'm kind of not in the mood for the like Pollyanna version of any of this but I do think that this year has been really really dead. Hard on the grown-ups and hard on the kids in a lot a lot of ways but also really memorable and exciting for the kids in a lot of ways and I think some of the memories that my kids really carry through this is some of the stuff like we just built they built him and I had nothing to do with that. My kids are such a good age cuz they can do a lot of stuff they built like a three-story cat house out of cardboard boxes off and they'll remember that like remember when we made that box and I don't know I think there's just a ton of stuff. I make a family calendar every year with pictures like a Shutterfly calendar off. Yeah, the Shutterfly accounts like my gift to like the family I give it to people and my sister said well, what's the calendar going to be? And I said, I think it's going to be a year of people wearing masks and that's going to be memorable to you know, hopefully we look at this as like, oh my God remember that year, you know and I think that's okay just this morning. My daughter was telling me on the way to school that she has to interview a family member. About something historical time in their lives and did I think her grandparents would you know have some historical times in their lives? They could talk about and like yeah, I think they've got Civil Rights Movement, you know, JFK assassination have got a few for you and then of course our conversation went to as it always does and just imagine one day your grandchildren will be asking you about today about right now. You are living through an extremely unusual and historical time. Yeah. What was it like Grandma? It's hard to imagine that but that's a great Point. Yeah, and you know and she kind of like I was saying before she took you can now access the magical part of herself still, you know, she's still got the child in her and her eyes, you know went up into the right like she does when she's really imagining something and she was thinking about that. Yeah, something else that our listeners. We have a listener who reached out to me because I said something in this Instagram live about a Sears catalog that I was the kind of kid who would pour over this is an oldie locks alert the Sears catalog. Back in my day was A Christmas Wish book that would come and it was like five hundred pages long, right? It would come in the mail and was this a huge part of your Christmas anticipation like lying on the floor and circling what you wanted. What was the Toys R Us catalog but I think basically the same idea. Yeah you pour over this catalog and I'd Circle what I'd want and then it make a list of like two hundred things that I wanted PS and I would put stars next to the things that were kind of I listed some items as optional one point very kind of you like this is optional Santa but the love and the care and the time that I put into that list is half of what I remember about getting ready for Christmas. I defy you to name three items that you received off that list. Yeah. I mean something like the Barbie head that you could like fix a tear. I don't know but the remembrance is not of the day the thing arrived it's of the thrill of imagining what could be yes, so there's so much off. We're to talk about and I think maybe in a couple of weeks we'll do another episode as we get into like the darkness and the togetherness and the no more outside dining is and sort of hack away a little bit at how are we met at literally survive indoors together cuz we barely talked about that and I think that's one of the biggest things that's going to be hard about far-right any ideas. But I do think the biggest takeaway and the solid it from this episode is remembering that the top of the triangle should be anticipation and making plans that are fun because the execution of the may not be what we wanted them to be but the kids will remember the anticipation. Yes, and I need to not wet blanket that by sort of, you know being like, oh, I can't believe we're not going to be able to go to you know, the the houses Your Instinct like I need to not do that because I will our kids think this is all terrible maybe a little less than we do. Yeah, and our kids will respond to it as we model that they suck. And I think for both of us, this was a really helpful episode record because yes, we both need to remember that. Yes solved it. I'm going to go outside and enjoy the crunchy leaves crunching a me get yourself a cider in a scarf and Frolic you're like frolicking like down like a garbage screw string string be like, oh guys. We want to know what you're worried about for fall what you're excited about. Do you have any really good fall hacks? Cuz I think we will be revisiting this topic come to our Facebook page facebook.com cast. We're also on Instagram and Pinterest. There's got to be some good fall hacks on there right come join us at what fresh hell cash. We're also on Twitter at wfh podcast. Yeah, not sure there's fall hacks are coming from us on Pinterest but there's other people there who might be able to help you out. No, no. No, but I type in some there. So you did, you know to fall activities for kids board that I'm pinning other people's good ideas. That's up Interscope. All right, that's how it works, right? Yep. Going to put the CDC Halloween Sad Sack ideas up on our website, which is what fresh hell podcast.com poor c d c they've got enough problems without us goofing on them. But you know, what? Are we going to do? Try they try page guys that was from we'll talk to you next week so long.

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GSMC Weird News Podcast Episode 150: Death Diving, Firenado, and Rodents

GSMC Weird News Podcast

33:05 min | 2 years ago

GSMC Weird News Podcast Episode 150: Death Diving, Firenado, and Rodents

"Is weird odd strange or just plain bizarre is really your cupcake, then the Golden State media concepts. We're news podcasts. We'll give you that fix. Can't believe it will listen for yourself as we delivered. His strangest news, you'd definitely won't find on CNN or FOX. It's the Golden State media concepts weird news podcasts. Hello. And welcome to the Jesus. Nc weird news podcast brought to you GMC podcast network. I mean who Stacey your co host, Sarah. And today we are joined by two new GMC host Heidi REI on high. So how are you on haven't been on weird news? So just a forewarning lives up to its name. This news is odd. But yeah, we are also weird. So it's fitting just let your weirdness fly. It's totally accepted here. That's what we're here for. So our first story today comes from Norway, which I feel like hear someone making a joke. But I won't because I'm better than that. But so this is a competition in Norway called I'm going to go with Dodd sing. There's a slash through this. Oh, and I don't smoke more regions. I'm sure what that's supposed to be doing. But it's dot sing. Which translates to. Death diving this is death diving competition. Norway. Brought us the firewood television reality show, which sounds about as exciting as well. Firewood. And now death diving are mean those are two opposite excitement going on. Yes. So this is where competitors jump off a ten meter platform in what is supposed to be their most creative pose possible and they receive points for the quote, unquote, coolest pose and cleanest splash. But because some of these poses are nowhere near proper diving poses this often leads to belly flops and or going into your head not clean splashes at all. But I saw. Yeah. So I'm super shot. This is a fifty year old sport. Like why? Oh, well, I didn't even I knew you had swimming pools. But it didn't. I assume it wasn't ten meter diving boards. Then fifties surprising because I feel like this is just like made for social media, right or just made for like, I kind of imagine it when I was watching the videos like this. I would like the seventies. And you know, the surfers who became skateboarders it's that sort of of people like I don't care if I break bones times, it's fine fifty years ago. I feel like they weren't diving off of diving boards and swimming pools. It was probably a cliff and like an icy order, something that's much better. They had like Olympic polls and everything to the one style. Like that was the thing. It is. Yeah. In the video, the diving pool diving into sort of roundish, which I am kind of jealous because I've never seen that. But it means you thankfully than land like sort of equally away from any of the pool is if you were in a rectangle the way some. These guys launched themselves off at an angle, it'd be like, please. Please. But yes, so even though this is fifty years old. This is only the tenth world championship in which I'm like what you doing for forty years. The point. If you don't even have a championship. It was just well, it's a world championship. Maybe the championship another bringing it to the world. So maybe that's what it is Heidi. We have the internet. And now we can bring it to spread go do this. If you've seen the videos for this. I had a hard time watching the video, and it wasn't even the airing this of the competition. It was sort of like clips put together of all the finalists dives or whatever. But there were so many just like going in head first and not with like my hands to brace me sort of in things like why bellyflop endings to felted hurt. Yes. And there were like children in the audience. And I'm just like parents, what are you doing? Their child's what not to do for them owner you encouraging? So if it's a world championship. There must be rules. What are said rules? I couldn't really find too many of the rules other than you do get sort of bonus points for, you know, not even creativity difficulty. So for example, there were several that looked like the same. But then there were somewhere they had their hats on. And so you got docked if while doing the dive your came off and this Bill the bit like gymnastics where it's like, oh, you can see your brush draft. So you can get really focusing on small ridiculousness of that dive in extremely painful Andhra dangerous. I mean, it's the world championship while I guess you got to up your game. There you've got to keep the hat on at all costs like that. What if that spray stuff that beauty pageant people use to keep their bikini from writing up get up? Get up. Spray, or whatever I've seen this Congeniality too many times. Get that for your hat and hope you don't have a Mathilde moment. So you're stays on while doing ridiculous things. And there were evidently the thing. I said read saw that said that it was both men and women, but I did not see the women's competition in the video. And I'm just like, okay. Let's get you know, twenty something guy doing it. It did look mostly men. But then the way they were landing is seemed like it'd be very painful for women to lend. It'd be very painful for funny. Like when I saw the thing that the thing was about cleanest splash. I was like who came up with that rule. Nobody has a cleans as much as you think of like, you know, if you watch Olympic diving some of those splashes are non-existent, whereas these are all like, you purposefully, it would be better if you had like biggest flash as you're reading criteria that would be much better. I'm just going to say I hope these guys are wearing a Cup. Well, and I love it because they don't speak Norwegian. But I was watching the video and it had the audio talking and one guy was wearing a Speedo, which is an even Norwegian Speedo. But then you hear the announcers even doing my reaction when the death. Why are you? Like, I I am. But you've seen this haven't you like, why are you so shock? I'll every painful Trump is new. No, most of the guys looked to be wearing some regular version of Jones. Yeah. Painful either way, it seems like it would be out men. Women. Doesn't matter. You'll have parts that's gonna. Bruce. Yeah. When I saw one guy the first one I saw he launched himself off and this sort of like proud superman pose but one Perng in the air. So that he'd landed almost perfect bellyflop. And then you get the like slow after shot, and he's like all super pumped in the water. Like, yeah. I did it and I'm like, no you've got to be in pain. How are you breathing? After would seem like it would knock the wind out of is that the adrenaline talking right now because what are you doing? And it'd be like give me out of this pool. I can't even move like. And it's it's dangerous. I've seen people do diving competitions and land on their head and be like not fully conscious. So watching these people purposefully do that I'm just like why? And also wears your medical team. Can I see your medical teams super worried and I survived the Olympics where Greg Louganis hit his head on the diving board. And I just I I'm traumatized by that. I can't I don't know how I feel about this also reminds me of base jumping because seeing that where it's like they the wing suits. And the jump off of mountains. Negoth go pros like red bull sponsors them. And it looks terribly dangerous. I feel like they're the they're also trying to land safely. But they take it to the last moment of how close can I get to the ground before I have to pull my parachute without dying. Oh, yeah. And I think can this is partly because I thought of it as the surfers who became skateboarders when I was watching the death diving. I was like I would much rather you instead of going in a pool. Can't you just land in a tub of that soft Boma thing that people do practice their flips on learning it like that looks like much less painful? Why does this have to be in a pool? So it turns out there are strict rules about goodness. Yeah. You know, it's not a belly flop competition it's called dosing, which kind of translate translates to death thing. Is that you spread out as you would for a bellyflop but tuck into a sort of folded in half dive right before hitting the water. The contestants are scored based on style. And how long they wait before tucking in. Yeah. That I can see that. 'cause watching it definitely did look like a number of guys waited as long as possible, which is why they went in on their heads. But then the spread out as much as possible criterias, very interesting because sometimes look like they were just doing strange like side up and down flips that I can't believe plane their arms and legs are pulled into them. So they can get a lot of rotation for the spins they're not spread out quite that much the ones I watched they were all basically the same technique flying. Yeah. That's possible. I mean, I definitely did see at least two guys do the superman pose, and at least two guys the I don't even know what call this other painful. So it is possible. If the ideas to spread out, you are kind of limited in what you can do. And then this competition. Just to appear as risky as you possibly can. But then try to not bellyflop at the end like it. Just sounds trying to look as dangerous as you can and this sort of eating and in the sixties and beginning of the seventies. Oslo youth would hang out at the pool where this diving tower is a certain diving tower is and the quote unquote rebels would dare each other to do to impress the girls. That definitely seems like how it started press women. Yes. Number of ridiculous sports star where it's just like you really had nothing better to do like go. You know, Gopi a good neighbor and do your elderly neighbors chores or go to the library something else like seriously. But then you wonder if the ladies are sitting back watching like, look how dumb they are. Lady was impressment. All I wanna go out with him. Probably can't have anymore. Children's. Yes. So we're going to take a short break. Stay to the average sedan is built with a steel frame and equipped with six airbags. Remember this? The next time you see someone walking drivers be aware pedestrians. Don't have armor, a message from the California office of traffic safety. The average SUV has two blind spots ways between four and six thousand pounds and takes about six seconds to stop remember this. The next time you were on foot pay attention people pedestrians. Don't have armor, a message from the California office of traffic safety. Welcome back to GMC weird news podcast. Our second story still, you know, people doing things I cannot even imagine doing but for a better 'cause in that actual cause as opposed to trying to hit on chick which is that in British Columbia in Canada. They are currently dealing with several severe wildfires. There's actually eleven currently burning. They burned over three point three million acres, and we totally just had this this past summer with all the wildfires here in California. And I was just like I feel your pain quite for your pain, except not quite like this because the firefighter is near Vanderhoek had their firehose sucked up by a fire twenty or fire NATO, which when I first heard I was like that's not real like shark NATO say the sequel the shark name making up NATO's now shark NATO bird NATO. Cat food NATO. I'm not watching that one wanna see that either. But this is a real thing, and you can actually see video of this. Because one of the firefighters, I guess was filming it it looks like a cell phone video. But it might have been like dash Cam. And you just see this hose just going up into the air like tornado like a really really terrifying version of wizard of us smoke everywhere in everything looked scary. Yes. The sounds horrifying like tornadoes are scary. And then you have a wild hose, which I'd imagine. When it's a tornado reminds you of snaked on fire, and then it's in the sky, and then you're trying to do something helpful. And then all of your all of your hopes are just gone. Yes. Either completely. Unpredictable. Well, and you see them trying to pull this post back someone. I I thought I thought was actually kind of funny 'cause it looks almost like a cartoon with her doing tug of war against something that of course, they're going to lose terribly. But this whole actually got sucked up into the tornado and melted and this took place over like forty five. Minutes, which I'm just like, hey, I don't want there to be such a thing as a fire NATO, but one that I have to be anywhere near for forty five minutes watching my Firoz get melted. Need to go. See a theory. It's actually more common than you would think. I mean, if you if you picture a very large fire, there's a lot of different air currents. And there's a lot of science that. I can't explain but. But both of my my thought, both my father, and my brother were volunteer firefighters for a very long time. And so you have to be very careful with with backdraughts and drafts of any kind because it can things have unexpected consequences. So if you think of dust devil. Well, it's kind of the same thing where you know, things just start to swirl in this case, it just happens to have fire involved, which is horrible. Well, here's the thing. There are actually those those are very common in fires. But a fire NATO is bigger because it actually reaches up to the clouds, and there's something about Cumulus, and some other type of Cumulus cloud. That are also scientific awards on understand either. But essentially, this is a tornado with fire from the ground to the clouds. There was one during the car fire this past summer. Scientists don't quite fully understand why that's the case in how that happened. But a fire NATO itself is not as common as a fire devil fire. Devonshire? I was surprised they thought it for that long. I mean without knowing the direction, it was going to be like, you know, what you can have it. Looking to fight you for that keep the hose. Well, I'm kind of wondering how chiller the firefighters in Canada because they're wearing what looks like not regular fire gear to me as are you the volunteer fire crew because they're wearing what looks to be like army pants almost shirts. And then they shut the thing. But not like the fool, you know, gear. They're wearing pretty standard hotshot Crozet is different for wildfires than like the building on fire. Okay. Well, in Canada, we know they're really light. So nice about it. That's why the fire Natick. Got the hose it was like. No, you haven't knowing system. This one. Clearly, I think they were they were little tired of being polite because I saw that they've been fighting this for at least a week with sixteen hours a day. And you see in the video at one point after the hose has been completely sucked up. One of the firefighters those. I'm not even sure what it is a rock or something. Data upset fine feel like a fine. It'll just take the rough throw it back. Well in the fire native happen pelting them with burning logs while they were trying to keep it from stealing their hose. I was like that is just like the personification of all things. I don't wanna mess with retaliation the rock the rock. The rock melted hose. One on. I mean, that's that's our next NATO movie. It'll have the rock in it. There you go. Wow. Nice one. But you know, I am terrified about this. And scientists think along with nothing able to explain it. The fact that just large fires in general, but perhaps fire NATO's are also becoming more common is sort of terrifying. Because it's just like, Nope. Nope. Nope. Now, picturing the personification of the tornado from the Disney, Hercules, film fire. Just like it's mad at me. And it's going to burn down everything that teases me through wherever specifically me. It sees me. It's hunting me down and have then how do you fight that too? They're just sucking up the hoses too. So I. No fight here. Gonna find it with the host. By the bucket. I'll take that too. So. And this is actually the video of this is amazing that they do get a shot at the bottom where you do see the flames actually being part of this tornado. And that looks almost not real like I thought it was one of those sort of whitening Globes. You had where you could touch followed your fingers like that. But it looked like just a toy or something. But the fact that that is a real fire is just terrifying to me, I don't want to do here. And it's crazy because like regular tornadoes. You can't really see the bottom. But you see this just burning everything it's touching right at the bottom. Like, wow, okay. You're doing damage. Why fight you? I mean, technically, maybe no escape. So I have to do something. I just let you do your thing. Right. It'd be fix the aftermath insured, right? This is not assurance fraud. If I just like surrender trying to say to your teacher like, oh, the fire NATO my house like I some money for it. I know it's not believable. But it happened. Explain that to your insurance to just like it was a fire, and it was a tornado. They're like really pick one hose. Hose eight my she shed. What no one else went because I immediately went to or not. Did not go there. No, how do you? I mean, technically, you have proof that fire NATO's are thing because this is on video and scientists do agree these exists, even if we can't explain it. But and fire NATO is now a hashtag. So obviously, you know, must be returned to internet thing now. Yeah, I am actually super shock that. This is not yet a movie though, like even before we knew fire NATO's real aren't those just like two of the worst natural disasters. When it's you just automatically put that in a movie in the same way, you every natural disaster twenty twelve or something like just put those together and added an earthquake just because the becoming more common. It might be. And then it gets near the ocean. And then it gets the sharks have sitting out flaming sharks. And. Town. This is my favorite tweet. They need one more shirk NATO movie now shark NATO flaming fins of fewer. Just I mean, the fact that NATO is a thing in movies at least there's not like a real shirk NATO. Right. I hope not that would be possibly mean. Fish get sucked up, and then and then not usually like massive tons of sharks. No. And now, I'm putting like sharp ITO and fire NATO and the Meg together. So you have a giant flaming Scharping. It's the most people NATO all the possible worse things. I can imagine in this world doom of something. Gosh, it's very strange, but I really do feel for the firefighters in British Columbia because right sixteen hour days. Seven days in a row like minimum. Just like, I mean, I guess you can't be like taking a day off from the fire. Nato see later eight my house. Well, can't go back host. So I need a day off to be compressed. You wonder how their health is going to be after all that smoke inhalation dust and all that too. Or even I remember reading, and I don't remember which fire was now because this just become so the norm for me every summer in California. There's a giant fire somewhere? But after one fire, I think it was some celebrity offered the firefighters like massages, and it wasn't even the fire was done. It was just like you ended your, you know, sixteen hour shift or whatever. And obviously that's very stressful. Right. So here's a gem like that is a great thing to do. But also how long did that have to go on celebrity offered massage? Lakes, eight not that they offered to Gilda thought that it was like, you know, like Robert Downey junior offering. Okay. I would actually kind of pay to see. Firefighters like he would actually I feel like a number of them would accept to be like you have a month. He would get the whole avengers crew to. Massage. Yes, I want the sore massage. Captain america. My brother-in-law works at Applebee's. And he they did a promotion for all the firefighters that were fighting this year for free dinner or lunch, or whatever they were. So they came in and got to eat for free just to help them out because there were so many. Yeah, I know guy he does like cook offs for firefighters. He like goes to wherever the fire is and does like barbecue and everything for all of them to make sure the crew gets fed not. That's nice definitely go through some things with these giant fires that just seem impossible to fight. And you hear about them for weeks and weeks, and however many millions of acres and then you'll hear like, oh, it's fifteen percent contained like fifteen percents. Fifteen percent. They've been fighting. How long are you kidding? Kidding? So yet definitely hearts go out to the firefighters whether or not they're fighting fire NATO's hoped. None of them ever the fight a fire NATO again. Because at that point does I'm sorry. You just you lost just throwing the fire hose or whatever. Just throwing give him the truck. So we're going to take a nether short break. Stay tuned. The average sedan is built with a steel frame and equipped with six airbags. Remember this? The next time you see someone walking drivers be aware pedestrians. Don't have armor, a message from the California office of traffic safety. The average SUV has two blind spots ways between four and six thousand pounds and takes about six seconds to stop remember this. The next time you were on foot pay attention people pedestrians. Don't have armor, a message from the California office of traffic safety. Welcome back to the GMC weird news podcasts. Our next story has to do with fires. But thankfully, not a fire NATO or any fire killing anyone in that in Washington DC last summer in a condo building. A rat pulled the fire alarm. Was there a fire? There was not a fire, thankfully, although I'm sure the condo people. Probably thought. There was for awhile. I'm just thinking if you could train a rat. Fire alarm looked like he was trained to it. Did it intentionally I like trying to get to something higher? But I couldn't quite figure out where he was trying to go 'cause he clearly jumps onto the fire alarm. And then the weight of the rat pulls down the handle. But I'm just like where are you trying to go 'cause the only higher than that is like the little thing that swings the door in and out. Just like where where are you aiming at man? But yeah, I love the fact that this happened, and that they caught it on film because otherwise people would be like who pulled that fire punk. It'd be like it's a Raby like, no, it's not. And then you bring out the film. It's like, oh my gosh. It is. But evidently, Washington DC has a major problem. He'll like major rat problem, which I did not know 'cause you know, this is our nation's capital, and you think of okay, Washington, he got the White House, and politics and all that problem. It's just nice. Yeah. I try to stay away from that metaphor. But yeah, no major actual Norwegian rat problem. The animal. Well, see I'm trying to not give a metaphor since the sound. Like, it should be at Disney movie to not now, there's gotta be a story around a rat. Yeah. It'd be a to pulling the fire alarm to you scape. That one shift guy who was onto him and wanted to prove it was the rat. And so he had escaped somehow. I can just see that in the film. I don't think it actually happened. But I can just see it happening in that. Holy enemy show, this I love more. So than anything else. How just sort of like whatever people were in response to this. Because my first thought would be like I need to get the heck out of that condo building. And that rats to intelligent red and its giant, and there's all sorts of problems going on with the rap being able to a fire alarm, right? But they're so used to it was just like of jokes about. Condo rat letting pizza at. I had forgotten about pizza had a think about it for a moment. Pizza was a video of I think in New York actually, just carrying a full slice of pizza down the street as you do when you're in New York, and nobody could stop that piece about so conduct kind of got to have his friends into. And if he can't get to the main door knob else is going to let them in. Guess I don't somebody will open it for me pull the Rier alarm. It's sort of like, oh, I gotta go to the back door and open the emergency exit to let in my dealer friend dealer dealer. Yes. I definitely gotta have pizza have that fix the way. They wouldn't about it though was funny because it looked like he had total motive like I'm gonna do this and do this. And I'm gonna get shot a run out this building. Like he had a purpose that day. I mean. Yeah, he definitely does seem to have a purpose. And there is a sort of paddle handle to also open the fire alarm, and I kind of imagine if he had managed to. Have something at that height to run of it. He would have been like full speed at handle like I am getting specific door open. And if you haven't seen the video there is actually like a railing kind of saying there's a bar that the rat jumps on first. And then so he has a shorter distance to jump onto the. So it does seem like he's trying to get somewhere. Yes. But yeah. Rats amazingly can chew food like metal garbage pails and supposedly the wires in cars are tastes to them. Which is why that's always a problem and the federal government actually helped fund a war on rats in the late nineteen sixties early nineteen seventies didn't work with. I mean, technically when do on non country, those never seem to work, but it's just like a war in rats from the government. I what can we also have like a war on mosquitoes? Because I desperately would totally support that one feels terrifying though to think that there's a war on rats like what else with rats do. Doing like people. Lots the war seclude. They're good at fighting us. They're taking pizza. They're doing fire alarms. What else are the rats controlling? They've clearly -volved. Looking this up? I learned way more statistics than they ever wanted to know about rats, including how frequently they copulate to the point that something like a male rat will copulate with twenty female rats in a day and could have some thousand number of offspring. Well. Well war. That's so many rent and rats, can you know, they can seal rats can get pregnant at a very very young age. So like, oh a couple of weeks, and then they're just station period isn't very long, and so they can have I don't know if it's a litter or what you would call it. But they can have just multiple. And then all those rats are getting their swerve on and they're having litters, and it's just and then they can become pregnant within a day after giving birth. And it's just like, obviously, this is why we lost the war. We are just outnumber. There's no. We had a war. We should've started handing out little tiny rat condoms. Right. Like, a female rats like liberation movement. Let just doesn't seem fair. Go get piper from whatever country. He was from like, okay. You know, what take the rats, and please also don't take children. I am. But then to go to slightly less. Terrifying. Rodents. I thought this was really cute. But also, the image of a terrified me I in that baby. Squirrels were rescued from. What is called a squirrel king and the separately comes from Iraq king because it is known to happen with bats where their tails became entangled. I've heard of that they'll those squirrel king. I was picturing from this headline like some diabolical guy with baby squirrels. He's going to sell them on the black market or something. Wasn't that kind of squirrel king? Wow. It's there is mind goes, so many places squirrel as king. Yeah. Yeah. Just like training, baby rats. Spit. Heidi all the terrifying. Things going on in my head now. Because of what you do I like to just, you know, they're just out there, and they want to eat and evidently copulate a lot and then eat some more and no evil plans to overthrow the humans are happening children's filling killing my thoughts there. Stacey you've heard the story, but I have to share because it's baby squirrels, and my father-in-law rescued two baby. Squirrels and he. They who's cutting down a tree and the squirrels fell out of their nest, and so he rescued them, and the the my favorite part of the story is what he named them everyone. I tell the story to says oh Chippendale. No. He named the key and biggie as you do you don't wanna be Chippendale. It's so it's so original achey and big a babies that's to keep them as pets. They didn't make it. Oh, well, hopefully, these will they were found by a passer-by and brought to the wildlife rehabilitation center at the Wisconsin humane society in Milwaukee, and it took them. I think about forty five minutes they had to NS. Thank you, Sarah. Not a problem. All that's what she's here for they had to that to the squirrel. So that they wouldn't freak out because they were already sort of freaking out because it's like, hey, I can't get away from my brother, and I'm really sick of him right now. And then they had a hard time at first telling whose tail was who and they didn't want to you know, obviously, nip somebody's tail or their would they were worried about blood flow with the tails as well. So they took about forty five minutes, and they did manage to separate them. Although some of them have this your tails than others, and I could see that being a problem sibling jealousy. For the way, we have that's working. I would have had the busiest tail. I was first born I served it. But yet, so they will be held at the center for a few days to make sure that you know, there are no long term damage, and they're all doing well. But just my first thought when I saw that of like five squirrels tied together by their tails have been like some sort of strange apocalypse. Happy. That's not natural. And they get things just tangle Yelm, and they also comes from the material that their nest is made out of that helps thing as well. But my first thought would have been like that is strange Newton, squirrel. And I'm going nowhere. To find a find just Wrigley nest? The awful, it's terrifying. From the squirrel to like. Oh, yeah. Brothers and sisters you wake up and you can't get away. And you're trying to all run into for direction. Thinking about the squirrel. I'm just thinking about myself. Harry run be like, I might call it in and be like there's a a mutant squirrelled. Hark, I don't know if it's still there. I ran away as fast as a whole. It was in this area, and you can go. And if you do find it and get rid of it, please put out a public bulletin. So that I know I can actually leave my house and go back to the park. But thankfully, this story does seem to have ended pretty well. And hopefully, all the squirrels do survive, even if some of them will have less Harry tails and others so on that note, we're going to infant today. Thank you for listening to the GMC weird news podcast.

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Jack's Taylor says he's going to show up and guess bartend tonight. We will see hockey game. And and there's a hockey game you know so so important. We'll see by for all of you listening right now. Assuming it's before nine pm you're listening. Please come to Sir tonight support. And if you can't make it to serve you're not in the L. A.. Area just clicked the link on my instagram profile. And you can donate directly to the go fund find me fund that my boyfriend and his business partners started. They're all from Australia. forty-five gyms started out. There brought them over here and they just put together their own fundraiser. So all of the proceeds are going to be donated to that and then donated directly to either. The Red Cross or I I think 'cause because there's something with I know with go fund me they take like a percentage but is it something like that is yeah they take like twenty five percent. What I know? But it's like they've already. That's why when you donate they give you the option of like right. Yeah selling out to keep the site going. I got it but then I think there was something I don't know if it's the Red Cross like also takes a percentage or whatever never that was ran across his heart I think because they have a lot of initiatives around the world yet. I think that's hard to donate in like directly to something. Yeah but there's also also that wires Foundation that is like directly in Australia. So there's a few but obviously yeah the the money exactly and they had said that they wanted to go directly to the Red Cross but if there is another one by the time we wrap this campaign up then it's going there but regardless it is going to Australia. The fires are so devastating. Like did you see that Satellite photos of Australia insane. And then when you put Australia on the US it's like it's basically the same size. Just think of the entire. US At some point burning. It's like it's like the end of the world is what it feels it really and the sad thing is to brockway telling me it's like they're just now going into their summer and fire season and it's like they're already this bad. It's not going to stop anytime soon. Even if it's contained in one area it's getting worse than another. I have friends there who have been evacuated the smoke inhalation. That people are getting I. I have Somebody I follow. Who Lives in New Zealand posted a photo of New Zealand Psycho three hour flight? So yeah it's close And the skies there. Oh I know are the smoke. The pollution coming from the fires is so bad that now the sky hi is a different Color Zealand and I can only imagine the global impact that this is going to have probably already having. It's it's honestly it's it's awful and it's crazy so I'm proud of you guys for for taking the initiative to raise money to try to help. I feel like I haven't been then sad realization. I've been passionate about a lot of things in the last few years and just having been in Australia literally early hugging qualities in feeding Kangaroos and just like seeing all the wildlife like it just breaks my heart. And I'm like this is something I am passionate about like. I want to just like raise as much money as I can. I want to volunteer and like a qualifying shwarier just like I want to do more than just raise money. So I'm just GONNA until I figure out if I'm able to do that I'm just GONNA keep talking about it and keep posting about it until we reach our thirty thousand dollar goal so hockey donate people donate come to hang out with US tonight as some money and help the people in the Kangaroos and all of all village animals. Okay moving moving on yes. How do your topics but I just wanted to put that out there? Oh and I'm GonNa say this again at the end of the show assuming I remember before I forget I will be live tax seen every episode and I know people are like. Is this really your number like it shows on the show that you have an iphone but your text messages are green. So this is through An APP called community that I am Texan new. Because I can't have my normal embossed really is going to your phone my friend has carpal tunnel from. If you guys is like my wrists brock was like she gotta take a break from this op like segments. My friends again. He has a texting injury I do but all per I promise it is really me. It is going to an inbox. It's just not my message inbox. But I've gotten Martin so many positive messages I love being able to interact with you guys directly. I love talking to people. I love talking to people. I've gotten some amazing using ideas from people. I want to actually give a shoutout to Kimberly Ortiz. WHO said a couple of weeks ago Hannah burner from Summer House was on my show or actually not just last week and we were talking about doing a tour getting things together like a live show just because he's doing it like you should still do it because it would be it would be? You're saying you wouldn't be. I mean we've been trying to work out during stuff for our book for you know. We've we've done like a mini tour. Yeah and we're adding adding stuff to it. It's I think I really all of us should be doing something especially whatever it is that you're passionate about that you do you are your own person Yeah and I mean right now like anything I do like I mean. Even my cameos like they're donating money that are making on campus Australia. Wildfires ars so love that anything. I can do to help raise money for that. I'm going to continue doing. But Kimberly text me and said she goes. I really think you should do a tour and you should call it. The it's is all happening to her. Oh my God she hashtag yeah. It's all happening. I was like it. You know you got. Yeah but I'm like I mean yeah it's from almost famous but that it's like I'm literally the theme at Bravo Con was. It's all happening so I could just see that in like neon lights like interest to call. It's all happening to her because each show there could be. You know like it's all happening. We got this. We got that like I've so many ideas you guys. I'm just putting this out in the universe. Obviously it's not going to be tomorrow. I go on tour. It's going to be several months from now but if you have any ideas if you have things that you think you would like to see a live. Show me doing whether it's singing acting dancing interacting whatever it is I want to hear all of your ideas you and brought to be doing your dirty dancing dancing left. I'm GONNA need that to be every show. Yeah Yeah I don't know if we can do every show because he has a career down in San Diego. Well listen. Brock's get it together. Let's see like that's like a good aspect to even like things like that. It's like Oh surprise guest tonight and the review the dirty whoever lives in that city either. I mean you've lots of friends. You know people all over the place. You can have a lot of fun with what's so funny speaking of the dirty dancing song so way back circa in two thousand eleven twelve twelve eleven twelve. I would always have dance parties with the we just dance. I I keep saying it. We got to bring them back. We do we could bring him back. You have a house with hardwood floors. Yes that is decorated. Just add because it was fucking ask get into the upper. Yeah we'll get into it yet. We're also trying to work out one of the rooms upstairs to be just like a game. Hang Hey like video game like hang room and it would be perfect. I love that. Yeah so after our shift Seville blog. I would always just have these little after parties. He's ever woman would come over by everyone being Tomonori Ana well and and other Vena Katina and Jenna like Shay was always. Is there Tomonori on. We're always the stars of the dance party because we're very competitive and one of the songs that they would dance. Here's the dirty dancing time of our lives song. By the way I would always win. Yes always there was one time he beat me and it was to a lady Gaga Song. They'll never her let me forget him. Never buy your look over time right but at the end of that dance guys never finished with that move. We never did the lift. We never did the left so now. Not a Lotta people can do the left. No sheena China honestly you and brock defy gravity when you don't understand how it's possible but you fucking there's that picture of you guys in Tahoe. Yeah Yeah when you nailed it and you can see my head in the background and my face is like Oh my God. We always think I did post me posted again way. I swear to God I'll find it and like our space Su. I'm like blurry in the background and I'm clearly impressed. Yeah that's kind of become more thing. We like do it everywhere we go. That's cute. I need a thing ask so we get a thing. We need to have so many things you guys. You have a a lot of cute things. I've always your couple goals. No your favorite couple. Yeah speaking of favorite couple. We just just took a little double date trip for New Year's the Tahoe. Yes we are on. I we snowboard but we aren't that great at it and we'd have both taken years off from exactly is started snowboarding when I was like twenty two and a used to be way better and then I remember us to use ago with like Steven Vanillin. Like all of y'All USA you would drive out snowboard and then be back in time to work literally. What I was snowboarding working dinner shift? How is that frigging possible? Because it's southern California. I guess you grew up to whatever we can do it. Yeah but I forgot forgot. I did so used to be pretty good but after I fell and broke my teeth I was afraid of falling snowboarded. And that'll happen once you you have that fear yeah. You can't be afraid when you're doing it now when you hesitate that's when you fall. Yeah but we decided to take notre because poise are really gonNA snowboarding and I remember sandals. First Time on the mountain how terrible he was and now restrated and like yeah and now he's just whip and he's join toe he's doing good he's just naturally picked it up. I know it's so inclusive to be so good at rockets. It's so annoying. I'm just like he wakes out with like like perfect hair. And then like just like all of these things like last night. For example we ordered posts maze not once but twice. I've actually never done got. I love a post meets journey like he wanted to offer a nice dinner. And then we started finishing season. Two of you and we're like let's just finish season one last night. I watched the whole thing in like a day. 'cause I mean I kept talking about it. It's so good you guys live really light season one except for in this is what's putting me off watching season two okay. I really did not like that end of season. Twist see okay. So this is like this is lane I'm like why how and why like I was really. I don't know it just made it seem fake Whereas before I was like okay hey the sky as insane and over the top like some of the things in the show are some of it really does feel like real and their personalities seem like they could be real? Yeah and then the last episode. There's something that she back does that I'm like. Are you like like literally as it's happening. I'm like you fucking idiot. Yeah and I was like now. Now we're going into like shitty horror movie territory. Oh totally and then the twist of the end of the season I was like fuck this. I don't know if I can watch these two now. No season is really go. I'd like makes a lot of the. There's a lot of like dumb. La Cliches since he's in two there are like that we all drink kale juice and do yoga. And I'm way it's celery juice all studio with Eric today and shoes drinking thinking fucking celery juice. Unless she's the exception because I don't know anyone who drinks seller US I when you look like Erica. jus I don't know exactly literally really. Do People always talk about. La Like we're just driving and drinking celery juice. Who are these people? I know that there's a part where they say they're seven things that happened happening L. A.. And if you've seen all these things you're a true like Los Angelino and you can never leave and like one of the legit. Are they dumb. Some of them are legit. I was like seeing nothing. That's like A Superhero not on Hollywood boulevard. Like someone like dress up like that you know just like walking down melrose or like things like then there was another plane a superhero. It's like the person that plays the Super You don. I thought that's what you meant like. Oh like if you were to see like Chris Hemsworth at Craig's or someone costume home and then it was another one was like someone rollerblading in shorts and then there was another no. What was it There was that one was a palm tree on fire and I go our Sina. Palm would've palm tree catch on fire. I don't know but it's like palm like the Bush Okay so I'm from Florida and we don't. We have the tall palm trees to mostly. We have the like Bush one right sorry. Yeah but but that's a palm tree on fire so those are what people are talking about the lame like La Cliche Shea things and it's like okay. That's not technically what I'm like. I mean there was half of the less that I'm like. Oh yeah that is so. La like that is to. I can't think of them right now but okay now. Delay is such a big city to act like the same like millions of people. Yeah it's like specifically like Hollywood. They're talking about like the three square blocks that that inhabit in west. Hollywood exactly so going back to post me yes back to mostly last night. After we got our dinner he really wanted ice cream so we order post meets again and then the guy gets there and I where I live. It's not like a top floor. I do like on on the second floor. But it's not that far so he's too lazy to walk. Put on shoes and walk down. Elevator walked down the aisle. So He's like I'm just is going to have him throw it up and I was like brock. He's not gonNA throw up the ice cream. No He's not going to do the. Oh so I go to the bathroom and I'm just like just go down and get it. I come out of the bathroom. I hear him. He's like Hey I got it on my balcony. The Post meets guy took it out of the bag through it up and he caught it in walked in. I'm like you are so annoying when you're dumb ideas a workout just like no. He's not going to do that and he was like just me thanks and he caught the ice cream. And Oh my God. Yeah it was really supposed Idea like that you're supposed to be punished. Yeah not working now. There was a couple other things recently like that that I'm like that's not GonNa win. They were gonNA when they were not coming coming down the mountain and you guys had to go to the airport. Yeah Yeah that one. We made the flight. I was so annoyed that we made that fight because I wanted to be right so bad. Yeah we'll because they were this okay when people like I'm I'm like barely a rule bender right like how Ben Rules sometimes but I'm like a rule follower follower like their rules. I typically will follow them unless I think it's ridiculous and then whatever but most of the time there's their rules for a reason yeah number number one being you leave a certain amount of time before you have a flight so that you're not freaking out and you can check your luggage and not have an issue taking it on time especially when you have a two hour flight to the airport drive. Yeah Yes oh to our to our lights. There were the snow well in their defense. I later found out that they got stuck somewhere they had to walk. I felt bad too because I literally then. Oh Oh bronx phone dies so then I've also now. I'm literally screaming. Only he's like she was like we need to go. Oh my God because also like I shout out to Delta. I fly a lot with them. I mean platinum medallions member very proud of my miles all fucking spend. I deserve my my three free checked bags plus my guests so we have six free bags. So we're like we're taking advantage of this. We brought snow suits shout tipsy elves as well. Yes tips yells the cutest snow so we have literally like six no suits. That was two cases two suitcases alone. I brought jackets because Arianna forgot to pack jackets to go to the snub. The the one jacket that I remember to bring was like my snowboard jacket. Yeah not like jackets to like. Wear you know we're the life to a music festival. We went to Snow Globe out there like we needed to be bundled up so I bring extra jackets for us. We have our six suitcases. They're free to check so so I'm like if we miss this flight on Delta. There's not a later one on Delta. We're GONNA have to get on another airline pay. Well southwest at least the united the United flight earn American flag. I wonder maybe for but I'm like still regardless we're now paying for the flight. We're now paying for these extra bags going to be a six hundred dollar change. Yeah so I'm like I'm not paying for this. He can pay for it but it turns out that he got down from the mountain just enough time to get got in the car drive to the airport wraps snowboard and a blanket because we didn't have a bag for his snowboard. Wrap it in a blanket. Check all the bags get to the gate still had time for a glass of wine wind before we boarded our flight. Oh my God I was so I was having. We made me left on time and we didn't have time for the last of before our Fli. The flight that had got 'em was like D- boarding or deep learning whatever it's called like when we got there. We had a little extra time. I was like hurry up. Hurry up and then I get to the gate Osha. We're not even boarding. And and then he shows up and he's like see and I'm like frustration won miss the flight just but I'm like I don't want my boyfriend have to pay six hundred dollars but of course it's like you WanNa make the flight but you also don't want to be like yeah you. I hate when people break the rules. You don't in trouble. I know and this happens all the time he tattle. He just uses his accent and gets his way. All of the people here is accent. They're like whatever you want exactly. And when they see him in person it's especially like man you can have whatever you want and I mean when benefits fits me. I love it but still so annoyed. I'm like I never got a spike. Okay speaking of things that like I never got. I want to kind of get in to the episode a little bit. We're not doing like a vendor pump rules like RECAP PODCAST here. Sure but I do happening. It's my life and I do. It's your life now a few things episode. Because I think it's coming off so far. Obviously that I'm jealous of Dana. Because she's dating Max I And I was like she has no issue with anyone else that Max is hooked up with like so it's not about Max exactly and then laws like oh well aw Dana whoever said it was like oh it's because they're not hooking up with them right now. Okay I but after before and after me Eh. One of the other girls. I put her on blast but one of the other girls who works at Tom. Tom Who kind of looks like me. He earned name starts with this. Clutter he I guess was hooking up with her before me and then right after me and like whatever. We've been friends the whole time. I've always lived with her so even when they were hooking looking up again like I don't care a just it's not the hookup that's bothering you. Know what was bothering me and I mean I don't know if I'M GONNA get in trouble for saying this is but what bothered me is. She's new to the show to our group of friends and all of a sudden episode to. You're seeing her career. What she's trying to do with her career on the Shell and help us owed five thousand that you've been on? Yeah we've never seen you podcasting now and we've never over senior show in Vegas. That was a success. You've never seen you buying your home in Palm Springs. No my fitness line. I have your fitness line that I I wear all the time. I love it so again everything. But it's I understand your struggle because I've been reduced mice mice my you know my I'm not gonNA say storyline because that's not how our show works about storylines they follow the or they don't follow. But I have been frustrated in the past ask at times when I felt like my existence is reduced to my relationship when I'm like okay but that's not my life isn't that's not how things work. Yeah and I'll see people say things like what is Arianna. Do besides daytime. Excuse me you know if you the only new yeah. So it's like people would know if they were shown what you're working on so I understand your frustration that I think it's amazing that they're showing what Dina works hard on and what she's about but I feel like that should be even every cast member especially the women on our show. Oh whether you like them or not whether we get along or not. Every woman on our show is passionate about something and work hard and something some of them you see it some of them you don't. I don't know who's decision that is. I don't know what I think. You should change exactly because literally all you see about me is boy crazy. She knows desperate spread for a man and doesn't do anything else but work at Sir and my that is literally like ten percent of my life maybe raise so like. Let's see the full you and I'm also so like a very flirtatious person. I always have been and there's so many things so okay going back to Dana so it really was not a personal thing. I was just like like frustrated. That not only is like this part of her life being shown immediately but the fact that everyone is going to support her show. And you you and Tom Dolan. The People Britney Britney game as well the only people who came in support of my show in Vegas. Yeah either way. I laughed my ass off time and like yeah I get it wasn't wasn't in. The valley wasn't around the corner but almost every person in our friend group was in Vegas within those five months. Doing the show. I'll play cameraman. I'll take some cell phone video. Go Navy to like just skimming credit. Yeah so that that. If you want to say I was jealous of anything. That is what I was jealous. I would be jealous of that you to be fair fair I if I felt like you know which honestly now that I think about it. I'm like if if this season all however many episodes we have goes by and you're not seeing how hard we worked to make this beautiful stunning fantastic tastic cocktail. Yeah I will be really fucking pissed. Yeah and I'll be jealous of Dana exactly and however and I talked to her every day. I'll tell her sir face So jealous they show what you're passionate about in the show what you're working on didn't show if if that happens. Yes if we wind up in June or whatever I'll report back yes 'cause I might feel the same fucking way exactly and I mean your book. I mean I had to buy tooks one from a house but it is the most beautiful piece of artwork just like you. It's not just like a recipe book. Like I mean the amount of money and time you guys. Oh my gosh incredible. Yeah it's a it's a blood sweat and tears like literal blood. I'm pretty sure we caught ourselves at some point. You know photographing and jumping in the pool like all the stuff I know when I saw that picture feels like oh she really went in the pool. Oh Yeah and the look on my face Over the wide. I look at my fingertips because I realized as I was moving in that direction that they were lit birthday candles and I was going this way. Okay and I had that thought of if the if the Qiqu smacks the water yeah and stays in my face goes. Am I going to burn my face on birthday candles. That's the that's the look. There didn't happen. Luckily that's like a one take shot. Oh Yeah it's that's it. Yeah well it was. A great shot is have not bought. Tomonori ONA's cocktail fancy. What are you doing like literally what you do? Yeah I mean it's available on Amazon Arza noble target indeed bound Hudson if you go to fancy of cocktails dot com. There's a list of all the places you can order online But it's also in stores. Yeah and it features are fantastic. Co Author Tamie Pellegrino. I know I gotta get back on the PODCAST. We had so much. Fun is just now that the show is back on. Yeah I need to do a podcast. He's so good. Yeah I need you. Yeah I need you to Bannon Ronnie from watch. What happens there vocal impression view? The honor show is like maybe one of my favorite things like it makes me laugh so hard and it's like they never do it in a way where I'm like. Oh it's just so endearing lovely and beautiful. It's just needed to listen to that. Only God I cry like I like I listed Progress I cry. I think they're the ones who took over my twitter order handle when I changed it to just Sheena. Oh it was. I think it was that podcast took the action emry handle or something. I don't remember what it was but it was something that they're like. Oh well since you're not using this anymore. It was like go for fun. Yeah Okay So. We covered the Dana Jealousy thing. I just want to hear that up because you might have more people you know I might be on your might be depending on how things go it just it. It was just frustrating and got you know whatever you're going to see me cry a lot more in future episodes. You have seen me with my inhaler on previews news. which we'll get more into as those episodes errol story but just stick on the topic of the episode? We all saw us night. Hi Max after I saw Ma- oh after I saw just that one lunch seen in his interview bites I stopped watching the episode assode and started rage texting. We have gotten so closest friends and I need to remind myself this was in May. We weren't even not closest friends back in. May Like I get it. But he said legitimately hurt my feelings. I also feel like the things I some of the things. I'm seeing in his interview. Bytes I'm just like that's doesn't sound like you like Max's over here at my house like daily. Yeah like almost all the time I see him all the time. He's always here and I you know I just feel like I'm not seeing the Max I know and love what I'm watching it. I'm feeling feeling like this is like I don't know what's going on. But he's coming across not good. No and as you saw at the end of this episode preview for next week I call him out for exactly that I'm like this is not the person I own and Max is the Max I know. It's is not the person I would never could never imagine him sitting there. Like I'm good looking guy like Blah Blah Blah. He had it over with the ladies. Never spoken like that. He's never spoken. Okay that in front of me ever ever ever see him. All the time these poor newbies don't know what the I. Oh Yeah I think you know sometimes you just get caught up. Yeah get caught up in a moment in some comes out of your mouth And you learn real quick. Yeah Premiere Party. Last week his mom mom met for the first time I love. His hand became friends and they've been like messaging. She's just like how do you and it's like. Oh this is only episode two lane. We know what's going to get so much worse. Yeah but not bothered me so much is a couple of things he said I when he's like. She got off birth control which just a freezer eggs. Because she's so gave me your excellent Travis Child xactly quite the opposite. I'm like how `bout you wrap it up. You know like like I'm I'm not trying to get birth control. I'm going to need you to wrap it up because I'm not joining a pregnant trying to freeze my colleen you don't get it too. I'm not trying to trap have you twenty-six-year-old bar manager okay. Sorry I would like I love you Max but like I was not trying to travel and having a baby I was planning on freezing eggs months before I even met him for months. Yeah you have to plan ahead and so the night that I met Max I we can go back and listen to the podcast. They did with him. I don't remember breath. We talked about this but the night I would be interesting. I know and then I'm going to get him back on in a few weeks to give them more shit. But the night I met him It was after dodgers playoff or World Series Game Adam and I got in a huge fight that night he told me and I quote to go to fucking Helen lose his number and so I was like why exactly. Oh because best because we went to club I don't go to clubs but he had his friends from. FSU In town that night. They wanted to go yeah. It was like Halloween. Time was like a costume party. I was like oh just wear a dodger gear and whatever so we go to this club he gets blackout drunk among his phone. I don't know his phone died or his credit card got declined or whatever was. He needed me to call an uber for him so I call him a Newburgh. It's on the corner because they can't turn this way on Hollywood for whatever reason so I'm like your ubers here on the corner. No actually. His phone didn't die because he texted me to go fuck L.. So I think right right. He didn't have the money. It didn't have the money who have money for Uber. Yeah so he starts texting me like he can't find the I know exactly I from Hollywood west Asala would really that'd be start singing and dancing outside maybe and collect five dollars. Yeah so I'm on the phone with Uber. Driver like trying to tell them like what he's wearing where to pick them up up. I guess they couldn't link up. For whatever reason so the ride gets cancelled. He walked home from Hollywood and vine to Santa Monica in Louisiana. He walked all the way home and said it was my fault and to go to fucking High God and never speak to him again and I was just like whatever so clearly. His friends his own friends from college are going out with me fuck it. Let's go to Tom. Tom Like let's go out. So why don't you go home than in the first place. I don't know he was like so I guess I don't know what it was like. pissed him off but you just wanted to go home. He would always get that where it was like when he was a child during a Tantrum. I I WANNA go home now. Go to Disneyland. I'm just like Oh child so that night. I'm like fuck you dude. So we go to Tom. Donlan like go to my friend's bar. Let's have some good drinks. Let's forget about this. Yeah that's the night. I actually like really met Max like I had seen him in passing over the past few months when they had been open those the first night I met him and I heard I heard from Logan and if the other servers there that he had a crush on me it was always asking about me and was like super interested me and I'm just like how he's a lot younger than me. I don't know about this but that night we were like really hitting it off and the night before I remember. I was at Tom. Tom And something happened with a really drunk Fan Dan who grabbed one of my friends and was just being like really drunken rude and security had to take them out and he started like punching remember. Heard what about this guy. Yeah Yeah Yeah and so. It was like a huge fight broke out and I felt like it was my fault because I asked them to make this guy leave because he was being disrespectful but I think he had also been in in there before and they were like they had their eye on him like. He's not really welcome now so I felt so bad that night that that happened and when I got home I went to tax maximum. You only got him so I realized I don't know you don't have your phone number. Yeah so then the next night we go back and I was just like when we got to realize that I don't have your number and he's like well we should change that. We exchanged numbers. We go and get drinks next night. Totally hit it off. I went to Chicago for a few days for Halloween. I came back. He picked me up at the airport. said he's never picked up anyone at the Hague Chew Up. Lax Yes yeah that's lake. Lax is like the whatever inner ring of Hell. Yeah and then I had like gotten sick. I don't know picks me up from the airport mama familiar. It's like I'll tell you exit you just hop on this show. Now that's the thing on. They might be different next time. Mom Yeah but yeah dot night I remember like he was like Super Popcorn. Was Watch movie. Let's cut like all these things. Make me feel better because I was sick. Even had like pulled atom aside after like Zen of course like we made up. And we're like he's like Adams are saying and I'm like well whatever like boom like met someone else in like I mean. I never technically dating so you. You weren't no and so you can do whatever you want exactly. But out of respect for him I told him in person. Like I'm interested in Max. Max Sat down in person was like I'm interested in China like this was a thing and then it just you know progressed very quickly and then it ended very quickly because of him I mean yes. Twenty six and thirty three like we didn't have a ton in common and that was the main reason why I didn't want to date him but he just kept being like I'm more mature. Unlike most guys made like I've been running a bar since I was like before I was twenty one thousand nine like this. I was like okay. He has his shit together like I was just like yeah. He has his shit together. I think Max is. You should together. But that doesn't mean that he's like on your level of in terms of like relationship. No answer for him to say that. Like oh like to make the comment that I'm I'm older and in a different place in like this. Why didn't want to date you? However you which you guys will see next? He's trying to make. It seem like that's the reason why he didn't want to be go even though he was telling people that use like a merger bridge. So when I can actually lovey book same broke get your Shit together so when I confront him next weekend. We haven't seen this episode yet but that day I. I didn't have any of the text messages because when I'm done with someone delete like Oh really on follow like like I just deleted the CIA. Didn't want to see it but I remembered when things work you. I sent Logan a bunch of screen shots as I was like. Look at all these things he's saying to me and like butterflies defies and like all this ship and so when it came time that I was like no. I'm going to confront him. I texted Logano. Do you by chance still have our conversation and like the screen shots. Can you go in the Info and he had everything so I was like. Let me just read you a few things you said to me. And I'm Mike. Remember all of these things so like yeah. Don't make me again. Look like I'm fucking crazy when you were the one I don't date you're too much. You're a lot younger than me but I was like you know what as much as it doesn't seem like the right time or the right person necessarily because it's like let's see what he was giving me everything out of wasn't and everything. I wanted all the attention attention in the nice at. It's fun yeah. Of course so then see that that Piss me off to then go in an interview and say that all I talked about was was photo shoots music and emojis and I wasn't enlightening. I didn't enlighten him. I'm sorry twenty six year old. How how would you like me to enlighten you? Yeah exactly deep talks. Do you want to get into and then when I was thinking about it. I'm like I didn't even have any photo shoots last November. I was working on music than like sure sure. But that's definitely not all we talked about so also like if you're just fucking somebody. Are you really trying to like how those kinds of conversations any way. Yeah and the way it started out was very casual and then it was like progressing so quickly because of him because of all the things he was saying and the things that he wanted and he also was so supportive of me freezing. My eggs was like team. SHEENA freezes her eggs like and so then then you know six months later or how ever many months later to see him. Say these things it was hurtful. And I'm like just the fact that to say that like I have no depth depth like I'm just a superficial fuck an airhead who only talks about music and emojis. I'm like you know who talks about emojis Max specifically Max because when we exchanged exchanged numbers and started talking. He's like okay so like now. We need an Emoji for like our contact photo in our contact. He was like asking me. What my favorite Emoji was? And I'm like. Oh my God. I love the Unicorn so he put a Unicorn knows what's yours and he's like I like the monkey was like okay so I put a monkey for him and then to he continued the emoji conversation. He goes oh he's like he's like I added an extra emoji because your nails are always like really pretty done goes out of the Nail Emoji and I was like well. All since you're born in Hawaii I'll add the shock emoji. The EMOJI conversation started with him. Let me just say so in water all right. Let's move onto the other guy. Sure it Brett Thirsty Brett. See Ah Okay my experience Bret has been obviously very different from your My experience with Brad. He's been nothing but a sweetie and and you know tell your face and then you see his eyes and things he says the Lisa behind your back. Yeah I'm curious you know later on what's going to be back. I I mean I guess I don't know yet Yes so far I've I've my interactions with breath sweet. Yeah and seems like he maybe needs some like guidance like I don't I was specifically trying to give him guidance. Your nudist Sir are your new to La. You're new to this whole experience and Lisa asked me to look after him and kind of take him under my wing and showing the ropes. So that's exactly what I was doing and in in the process of doing that he kissed me. We were flirty but like even like I don't even know how much kind of see. But it's like he's like. Oh my God I need to like open a dictionary and show her what friends just friends mean coming over getting drunk and then making out with me in my kitchen like did I act like you were getting down on one knee like what. What part about that have? I acted as this where he's getting up from and I don't know doesn't see but if was just so the way our conversations were all summer and the way we interacted with each other now seeing the things he was saying at that same time behind my back. I'm like your fucking fraud. Your fake you literally will just do your. He's I'm a people pleaser. He is that to an extreme him he will do and say whatever you know that people he is a people pleaser. Yeah I feel like yeah. He has a people pleaser and he also he doesn't want anybody to be the mad at him now but in the process which is something that she you've you've been through When you don't want anybody to be mad at you you're just Mike? I just want to make everyone happy in the process. Then nobody's happy exactly because then it's like we need to know you like who are you because of you. Just go with what the people want from you. The News yourself so annoying and even the part where it Sir and I was like Talking about freezing my eggs and I I was like Oh was that an offer like wasn't even the whole conversation. He was making jokes about like. Oh you just need to find the right sperm to fertilize your eggs. And I'm like an offer who was Joe. Oh where's the. Hr Department God calling hr saying. I'm a bad kisser. When at first he was like because when I was so oh uncalled for? It was so second of all. I've kissed you and your great Kisser jail. But the FA and then Jacko's I'm watching Evans. I was like yeah. Yeah I've heard that around town Mike Mike Jackson booked up with Thomas thing about being so annoying but what I saw dossier was like. I can vouch. She knows is as in Kisser. Very soft very Nice Lips. And you're great. You're great kisser. Thank you so fuck off everybody. The movie Non Lisa Moving on. Yeah okay I feel like you're one of the only employees of hers who actually has stood up to her and said your opinion and how you feel not even just in defense of your boyfriend but just in general. Did that give you exiling knowing that you were going to like have cameras and have to stand up to her. Yeah it did my anxiety came. I'm not so much from talking to her. Because they feel like yes. Lisa is very intimidating person but she's also As I've learned learned over the last year I would say like in the beginning is very like sometimes she can seem a little bit like a not real. You know what I'm saying like everything's perfect. Everything's you know. People are kept an arms length. Sometimes sometimes it feels like you don't know who the unreal person is. I've learned over the last year so much more and I feel so much closer and more like that. She is really like the kind of person the I could talk to. She's a real person with real feelings and emotions and and things like that To rewind back to when I talked to her at that engagement well at the finale. Yeah so last night filming. WanNa talk to her. You better do it so when I talked to her that night I feel like talking talking to her. Generally wasn't what was what made it difficult. It was knowing it was it was the filming aspect aspect of it that I feel like added so much cuttings Zayed right because what happens. Is You know Lisa Ann. I it can talk about something. We can work through it. I can say I didn't agree with this this and this and this and she can say well. Here's why or here's is with the deal and I don't agree with how you handle whatever we can talk about stuff like in the way that people do but what ends up happening is is an hour long or a thirty minute long or two hourlong. SOMETIMES CONVERSATION GETS DOWN TO A couple minutes couple minutes and when that happens you lose context. Sometimes you lose. And that's the that's no one's fault it's just the nature of you know. We have forty thirty to forty four minutes to make a shout. Nineteen cosmic yet. They can't use you know two episodes to cover me Lisa sitting down at Sir talking like they can't can't do it now would be ridiculous. No one would want to be like. Wow I feel like I'm watching. What is it like Not The bachelor Big Brother they you like alive would be like that right now and so. What made the nerve wracking part is knowing that it is going to get whittled down to such a short thing not not knowing what's GonNa get capped and what isn't and then knowing that the people were watching it are only going to see what's there and not not see like they can't be there to see the real cotton the two hour long conversation? I can't be there to see that. So their opinions are going to be based off of what they're shown on on the show. Yeah and they can be you know on one inside of the situation or the other side or both. Sometimes people are. I feel like for the most part people are really like. Look these are real people. They're working through their real problems. Like like you know. Good luck to them you know. Obviously there's more that we're not seeing like they. Most people can objectively look at the show. I I love that I love you guys. But there's the like I would don't think I could do it without those people. Yeah but then there are. There is at sliver of people who are very loud and very aggressive passive and also very wrong yeah and very toxic and I think that goes with all social media in general and all just life in general what ends up happening happening is in those people are the ones that make it very nerve wracking to do because you wanna be yourself and you want to be open and honest honest and be able to have those difficult conversations with someone like Lisa who is very. It's a difficult conversation to have. Yeah or if me and you have of an issue like that's difficult conversation. Have you WANNA be able to be vulnerable on. Have those kinds of talks without worrying. About like someone's GonNa and how many call myself whatever toward or think that I'm I always find it very obvious when I'm watching the show when audio is spliced. Yeah apparently it's not the obvious to everyone I was like I said something before that. Yeah or I said you know. It's the things that you know Thomas Bringing home and obviously I'm very I can tell when that that's been cut off. Thomas is not The reason why I feel the way I feel yeah. I'm going to talk to Lisa. I'm beaver I was like you know fuck in that moment and that that conversation at Sir I was very much like. I don't care if this does take two hours. Yeah and they can cut around things that they can legally say or legally not say That's up to them. But I am going to be very open and honest with how and why felt the way I felt not the glossy for show version exactly glossy for show version is a you know. Oh you're Rou- that's no we're going to get into the nitty gritty and we did and it was a really really lovely conversation. Not Blaming should on Tommy fucking kidding me now and that audio is so obviously spliced but again again I feel like our years are trained or like when Dana says to quit my job in healthcare sales. I'm like did they just make. Did you say the words healthcare sales like what the heck fill in that blank. But Yeah it's it's that tiny sliver of toxicity acidity that makes things scary. Yeah and you have to try so hard. Not to dwell on that and focus on the on on the positive and focus on the constructive criticism and the people who are very obviously when we were Bravo con. I've felt like he was all all those people. It's only that sliver and of course our brains naturally focus on like that one yeah leering spot totally and that's frustrating Australian. But you and I were saying how it's like I know we sold you stopped by in the beginning we would block everyone. Every every negative comment block block block. Might get the fuck Outta here. Yeah but then it got to the point where I'm losing followers by blocking I go back through my block. glisten just unblocked everybody right see what happens but One thing that you and I were saying recently is how it's frustrating when people people say something that's incorrect. I want to correct them. It's like I don't want to you know. Ignore all the positive comments but I do WANNA correct the people who were wrong. Because it's like if you don't like me or this situation for the right reason okay. You just don't fuck with me. That's fine young happened but if you're going to like I was just reading all these comments. Someone posted something about today and it was like Desperado. Sheena and every comment was like oh I feel so bad for her. She's so pathetic she it's so sad she needs a man she so desperately on Mike not on your single for like three years. Yeah like tuna. Yeah but it was like I was living my best life. You just didn't see it because the guys who I was dating eighteen didn't WanNa film and Television Show. Yeah I saw somebody recently was like. Oh we're not one guy. Why isn't healer show? And I was like he wouldn't sign a release but one thing with you on the show that I think is so amazing is you've always been so vulnerable and you. I think it worked in like I know no in the beginning it was harder especially like I'll never get over the season that you and I fought. That's my biggest and show. I hated. It was the worst and like seeing you. Cry In the back of the cab like with Tom. Oh my God my hardest rough back then. It was harder for you to open up especially on camera and now how I mean from hating your vagina. Everything with your depression like those are things that so many people can relate to and I commend. And you for that because it's not easy to do. It's yeah what Sox's I you know. It's not easy to but what happens. Is that in a moment it's like You know it's there. It's like right there and so you say and then then you can never not never ticket back not talk about. Yeah then it's like Dang it yeah really thought I could squeak dot won by guys nope I mean. does specifically I think is such a relatable thing that so many people are going to understand. I mean I take Wellbutrin daily more for anxiety but it. It is also an antidepressant and this past summer for reasons. I can't discuss on here by there. Was something work related that was really devastating hop end and for me it. Just put me in this depression that I hadn't been in for a long time and as much as I did not want a boyfriend or relationship at that time it was just like everyone I was dating it. Just it was just such a Downer and it just put me in a funk. I was in a really bad place. Listen I was really depressed for like six months. I'm freezing my eggs injecting myself with hormones. I'm crying I'm that the hormonal thing I when I'm on a period or like about to get when my basically when my hormones are raging or whatever's happening holy Shit Selena right now. Oh my God like he's like Oh she knows back. Oh man you I remember. There was one time and I knew it and and I was like Tom it. Oh it was literally like right when we were like like when we first got the Tahoe and I was like. I'm so sorry I was like my cranky and yeah and I'm like impatient and and I'm like didn't like the night before you guys got their music. I don't know what else to suggest. I've suggested that we do this do that. No Mike I don't want to do any of it. Ah You want to go back to the rim. No I don't WanNa do that either like it was just like everything was just wrong. Yeah and I just remember. I said something like that and the look on his face is like you. You could tell he was like yeah. It's definitely can tell like he knew. Yeah because it's like. Oh my God so. I can't imagine injecting injecting yourself with hormones and and I don't know how you know when people are pregnant and our hormones crazy like my Omar hormones when when they're just period. I'm literally an insane person. I should be committed. Like oh my God straightjacket and throwing the corner and I realized when I'm not on birth control like you would think like taking those hormones or whatever it is that makes you crazy but when I'm not on it like right now as I'm gearing up for round fucking the three of freezing my eggs trying to get Arianna on board with me to do this with me in case you change your mind and WanNa little matter if I want to or if you want to donate exactly. I want all of my same sex friends to be able to have. Yeah and I love that and I can of all of them. You should absolutely do it with me. The whole thing about it but I feel like Mike when I'm not on birth control. I don't know what it is. It's like my body's not used to not having that in it that I go fucking crazy like last month on my birth control troll since I was twenty six and yeah but I mean I don't know what it is just I've been losing my mind. I wonder if I was on birth control. If I it'd be whore near are you see. No that's the thing because when I was on the new ring it like I lost my sex drive. I also was in an unhappy marriage but even like wait. Remember that time you lost it. Oh yeah fell out. Couldn't find I think uh-huh Salem Penny founded because like you weeks later it was like with all the sock monkeys the the plastics drowsy. Like oh my God own my. Yeah but I've felt like since I got off birth control. I feel like my sex drive is higher so you know what I read an article about like re I mean we're talking like caught like a long time I was reading something about how people who because of the hormonal thing. And like if somebody you know listens to your podcast is like Arianna. Only your fucking idiot. Whoever wrote the article doesn't know what they're talking about? Go ahead and let me know but I read an article that was about how like this woman was on birth control for like forever vert forever forever and in her thirties. She stopped taking it because her and her husband Maroon advocate she off birth control was like not attracted senator husband interesting and I was like what and then the articles about how because the hormonal differences could possibly make you like attracted to different aspects of person. I don't know it sounded like I was like. Oh my God no what if like what if I started taking birth control and I wasn't like oh no. I don't think Tom's hot or something. Like that would be awful. But then I'm Mike but what if I started getting really horny like I don't know way I'm Lou this up I'm GonNa look it up and maybe a now. What if I drummed this? I have to look any maybe now to like. I have such a high sex drive because I'm dating someone I'm so attracted to you. Not just physically but like mentally like we're just very somebody wrote about it again away. Twenty nineteen so I think purpose Israel Birth control might change. Its on Vice. Birth control might change who women feel attract. Too Interesting we are heard you posted on your podcast supplemental reading to this episode. Got It fire. I love homework going back to the reliable topic depression. Sorry how this is how hard old void talking about. I know I just I just want to touch on it because it is something that so many of us in our friend group but also just people in the world can relate not all the scary part. Okay so for me. I and obviously throughout the season can't get away from it's like you're talking about something once uh-huh and you're not allowed to not talk about it so I'm sure you'll have you struggled with depression Probably since I was like a teenager yeah I just feel like my mind has always been in some sort of like overdrive certain ways and I. I think that it's hard for me to just be like I enjoy like I just think think of I think I'm I'm just maybe thinking too. I Dunno overactive something with my brain and it tends to end up in these like spirals so like if there's a negative thought I like all spiral on that negative thought It's hard for me to spiral on a positive thought that makes sense. I'm the same way so I got that. Yeah and then when that happens of course it flows over into everything else and it's hard for me and it's like feels to me not like I don't know how to control it or block it or so of I've I've learned over the years that I mean it's definitely something since I was like a teenager to the age where you start thinking about like the world right in life And beyond just like you know little things And I think that there's been things that have happened to me That are really that that were out of my control. That were really bad weather. It's whatever traumas right. Bad traumas commas. And I think that I've tried to attribute healing from those traumas and like re and really getting past those traumas with like being like okay and then once I get there I'll be good or are you know so it's like okay so I feel like I've really dealt with my grief I feel like I've dealt with Pass trauma from the emotionally emotionally abusive relationship that I was I feel like I've actively put in the work to deal and heal from those those things Not to say that they're gone forever. But at least have coping mechanisms now for those specific things. Okay then it's like but I'm still feeling I still have like thing it's just still feels like there's an like I said the episode undercurrent. Okay so my book is fucking sick sick publishing this book. It's thick. I have a career goal huge career goal. I've accomplished this career goal. I'm super stoked about that. I'm moving into my. I moved in my Dream House with my dream man. It's beautiful I love you. It's my favorite out of all of them Ah But then it's like. Why is this undercurrent? It's like you know then I'm like okay right. This isn't GonNa go away and then yeah I think what really scared me in the months leading up to two filming and during foaming around the time this episode was shot is that I started to think what about You know people. Who are you hear of like celebrities? Some of our the funniest most talented wealthiest wealthiest. You know you know you think like maybe it's from like what is it that I can fix right you know. What can I control while maybe if I work harder and make more money and then it's like but it's still there because it's an imbalance in my brain and then I realized there are people who are celebrities that we admire? We look up to WHO lose that battle and they lose it at like sixty five and you're like well fuck. I'm going to have to from now until sixty five hundred. If I want to beat this I have to have systems in place every day and make sure that I am on top of my fucking shit in terms of this brain disorder. Yeah to make sure that I don't lose this because what I'm doing is not working and thinking that it's revolving around one specific issue. Those are. That's a separate thing So I feel like that's kind of where it was. I the one thing I don't really like I feel like was was being slightly skewed in his direction. I wasn't not decorating my house because I was the way it was cut. Sounded like have you been. Did you decorate your house. I'm like no no and when she asked me why all of a sudden I'm sorry guys she asked me why then boom. Here's longer different and I was like you know I. That's not the answer the answer to. Why isn't the house completely decorated? Because it's a five thousand square foot house. Yeah Yeah and we're very particular about what we're putting in it and a lot of the stuff that we have in here now or stuff. That was either custom or things like that. Not Once we start filming. It's like you really can't you can't be here working with. I can't be here working with designer. While we're filming too Sir her I have to you know That was a one thing that I was like. That's not an exactly what's happening right here. but yeah it's it's it's GonNa it's GonNa be a lot. There's definitely a moment later on the season where things really came to ahead and I was like really frustrated. What are some of the things like because you don't take medication right? No I sometimes over Blue-green if I could but was prescribed anything I mean I I feel like I've been on Wellbutrin for like four years now I'm like I'm in a different place in my life but I'm like my brain still fucked up. I'm not GonNa get better like it. Is that imbalance. I'm still going to suffer from anxiety. Heidi would like do. I need to be medicated. Still like is it. I mean is it helping me because I still getting Zaidi. I'm still I get depressed at times but it's like I don't. I don't know so if you don't take medication. What are some of the things that you do do like therapy to cope with your depression? Well number one being open about it they feel like that's the people are like KOPF plummet like some people that sliver that we talked about the talks liver will be like. Oh Fuck you boring no one cares you bring nothing to the show and I'm like okay except me even just like saying it. I feel like like sometimes people will contact me and say when you said it made me feel like I wasn't alone. I've been through the same thing and relates. I am I no thank you because me hearing that from people that I don't know makes me feel better So being open about it is is like to me. The best thing I've ever done here is the scariest thing I've ever done but also the best thing I've ever yeah number. Two therapy is I mean even if somebody's like I I'm in the process now of of finding therapists that is in in this area because You know whatever my therapy journey as been. It's tough because it's like you want if you find somebody you like right but if you find somebody you like and then are far away from your house and you can't like find the time to go as much as you want to go. Then you feel like you're not hitting in the work and you're not benefiting reading from it so working on things right now but therapy even just like twice three to even just to get that kind of tune-up yeah Is huge after. Say That exercise is I mean even when I don't it's huge for me. Exercise is huge for me. I used to exercise on in an unhealthy way when I first dude Sheena. I realized the other day when I first started this show. Oh I see people online talk about how my face is puffy and my face is fat and they think it's because they have filler in how when I first started sort of this show I was so naturally beautiful. And what the fuck did I do to my face. Yeah Okay when I first started this show one hundred and five pounds yeah severely. I remember how 'cause we're basically the exact same size like weight measurements like we're very very body types and I remember when you you got down to like one zero five and here. I'm at like one twenty five and I was like should I gotta get back down to Arianna weight very unhealthy exactly and I was very mentally unhealthy about I point to now is a physically unhealthy regardless of how skinny I loved I was very mentally unhealthy as well and so it's very triggering. Bring to me to read a comment. That says that I looked beautiful when I first started the show. Because I'm like no I did not actually no I didn't i. It looked very unhealthy. Yeah great you could see my cheekbones. I don't think you ever looked unhealthy but definitely I would love to be able to be a healthy weight waiting for you to be able to see my cheek. Yes that would be great But a healthy weight for me means. Guess what guys. It's just my fucking face so get over it. It's just my fucking face. Yes I'd love to have a skinny face guys. Let me know if you know how how to get a fucking skinny face Holler at me but okay. I'M GONNA say with exercise yet in in a way. Hey where the thing exercise now and then I'll shut up but my thing about exercise now is yes. Obviously they're big physical benefits benefits to exercising eating healthily and being on that wavelength. Yes there are but ah to if you can switch that gear where you're not thinking about the physical result you're thinking but you're getting that mental boost from met then it's then it's so much better so much more beneficial. I think I agree and I need it. I have to yeah and helping other people. That's another big thing for me. Yeah Yeah I'm with you on that. I will say though about the skinny facing when I got grits in shape and like lost the weight eight I like at my when I was like my skinniest like on the show I got down to like I dunno one. Oh seven zero nine. I was healthy and now I was like. I'm my healthy. When people think I look sick because my face was so thin that I then put filler in my face because it was so skinny? We're like oh now now I look like a free exactly and I was like I wanted to like but I'm like I'm the healthiest I've ever been. I'm not anorexic. And that was such a trigger for me because I I have struggled with an eating disorder before I'm now eating five small meals a day. I'm working out. I'm the healthiest I've ever been. But I lost the weight in a healthy way that my face was so sunken then. I looked sick and that wasn't a good luck. So your face as it is right now is the perfect and it looks better fuller than it does skinnier so I appreciate you just because I mean it's yeah it's like they're also like those things like the comment you made about your arms in the episode. It's like you don't need to cut the fat out of your arms your perfect and you're tying well one of my are uneven because I did cool sculpt one of them and not the one. Yeah yeah no elliot hurts so bad. I couldn't. I never went back to the other arm. Yeah I paid for. It never went back for it idiot. Stupid he's like all of these things that especially in La that we do to try and look better way. Yeah Okay so you you say especially in. LA but here's the thing nobody in in La gives a shit right no one in la says you look fat you look ugly with the fuck are you doing you fucked picked up no one ever in la who lives here ever fucking says they don't care about people who don't live here are the one taught the top you know what I'm saying. Yeah it's the people that's liver the toxic sliver they're the ones who create this toxicity and then get pissed at the people who live even la who have the resources to do something. Like a cool sculpt or you know somebody gets talks or whatever but I'm like bitch nobody lives in l.. A.'s telling you need botox now. The person who's telling you need both talks that you look or they don't say you need both. They just want you to be naturally perfect perfect but guess who wants you to be naturally perfect some bitch and fuck in Minnesota whose commenting means shit on your instagram on on a fake account with no profile photo and no followers and there's like a Bible quo. Oh my God this best one recently. I don't remember the comet. It was a nasty comment on my page. And I I guess this woman who left a nasty comment blocked me. What did I do? I go to look at what everyone's commenting and apparently and let me like in her profile. Apparently it said like spread positively pretty good lord and I was just like all. These people are commenting. They're like literally like you're so then. I guess she blocked me so I couldn't go and see her hypocritical fucking bio. But it's always one of those are with the Bible quo picture of their dog like Oh loving mother and like I love when a mom comments something nasty now the public profile I they love to go and comment on a photo of her child and say I never hoped that comes out of your mouth to a strange. Yeah like how would you feel kid head like Oh my God I just heard this satis fucking story my little cousin. He's thirteen years old and one of his friends in school just literally utterly hung himself because a girl told him that he should do it and they're like no one liked him and he should just kill himself. Oh my God years. Old Ono so heartbreaking. That kids like now. I mean even. I got severely bullied in school. And thank God. My parents put me in private school for high school. Because who knows knows where I would've ended up and nowadays with the Internet and the cyberbullying I think it's because and what's so sad. Is I wish that positively was as contagious use. Because even now it's like the the negativity is what we give it. We give attention to it because there is like a weird dopamine years like a weird rush. Yeah Yeah you get from like like. Let's say you're like I think my hair is ugly in your mind. You don't say it but you think right someone on the Internet says your hair is ugly ugly. There's like a weird validation that you get from it. Yeah no rush of like whether it's anger or whatever that you get from from focusing focusing on that negatively if only positively whereas contagious as as as that is and what socks is that kids who you know they don't necessarily have the con- the conviction to like it doesn't matter now and it's like it's it's GonNa get better the anonymity. Yeah I can make a profile I could call myself. Pink couch One two three and I could go online gene and say awful things that affect somebody else. But I'm anonymous. Yeah it's like you know. It's it's awful decade. Let's make this like let's try just spread more positively fucking pay it forward. I am still going to belong. Nice though yeah I Ashok knows to be people in two thousand twenty I. I'm trying to catch up to your followers so I will not be right okay. Block them if they don't follow you right Seriously but to wrap this up again that we will be at search tonight accepting all of your donations going to the Australia wildfires. If you can't make it into Sir and you want to donate click the link on my profile and also I will be live texting guys again next week. My phone number which I forgot got to put in the beginning. I just thought about my phone number that I text you from is three one o two nine nine nine three to four her. Send Me Your questions send me your thoughts. 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Comparing casas: the Spanish home & its curiosities

When in Spain

47:47 min | 1 year ago

Comparing casas: the Spanish home & its curiosities

"Lack Ital- a warm welcome to the win in Spain. podcast oh cast. I'm your host Paul Badge. I aim to bring you a little slice of Spanish life and culture right into your ears wherever you're listening from around the world. Thank you so much for tuning in and if you're a new listener to this podcast special boom welcome to you and all the long-term listeners. Thank you for continuing to listen to this show. So what have I got coming up in this episode. Well I'm going to be looking at the Spanish home Home and are going to be running through some observations and comparisons between your typical Spanish home. I I suppose Compared with in my experience houses and homes back in the U K since living in Spain I think I've lived in five different different places. They've all been apartments and of course during my years in Spain. I've been invited to friends houses as well quite good insight into what makes a typical Spanish home. I'm going to be looking at the little curiosities the little things I've noticed that are different to home back in the UK. I'd also treat know if you guys. The listeners have found some of the same little curiosities differences That you find in Spanish Spanish homes also running through a little bit of the history behind housing in Spain in general before we get into my little list of differences that I've noticed assist but before we get into that I would just like to say a quick. Thank you to a new one in Spain Patriot. So MUCCI mask yes to Alexi Yefimov so big thank thank you to you. Alexi for signing up to become a winning Spain patron via the crowdfunding page patriots if anyone else enjoys the podcast and would like to show their support by way of a small monthly donation from as little as a dollar It's easy to do. You can just head over to patron dot com forward slash winning Spain. Pat E. N.. Dot Com forward slash winning. Spe when you hit the page. 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I'm really going to be talking about the kind of little quirky working differences that you find in Spanish homes in my opinion compared to back in UK. I've also lived in America as well so I guess I'm kind of comparing pairing Spain with those two countries. Of course I know there are listeners out there listening to this right now who are from lots of other countries around the world and might be thinking in king well actually You know what Paul is describing in homes in Spain is actually quite usual in in my home country and that may well be the case so just a little caveat here to say that my observations are based on being British guy living in Spain and based on my experience in the UK and America. Let's kick off by looking at housing in Spain in general and I did a little bit of research about this and the research kind of confirmed. what I was expecting For long-term listeners. You probably know that I live in Madrid In a quite an old neighborhood in Latino which is right in the center of the Spanish capital and most of the apartments Quite out around a hundred hundred fifty years old of course. There are new builds elds as well another listeners. Living in Spain who don't live in cities live in more rural locations in smaller towns and villages where apartments augments are less common. And you might be living in a nice luxurious detached house with a garden and swimming pool. Unfortunately for me that's is not the case although I do love living in the center of Madrid we don't have a garden swimming-pool but what I'm trying to say is that most Spaniards actually live live in apartments and more Spaniards living apartments than anyone else in Europe. which actually doesn't surprise me because on my travels around Spain over the years and certainly having lived here in Madrid apartments are everywhere? It's rare to see houses if I compare Madrid for example to the UK And London there are apartments in London of course but even though it's a huge metropolis of X. amount of million people You still see streaks streets of you know two or three story houses residential areas which is much less densely populated Than maybe Spanish vanish cities in Madrid. Overwhelmingly the majority of accommodation where people live Apartments which may range from three to a six stories or even more but yeah shoot to say that Spain has the highest proportion of apartment or flat dwellers in Europe and the lowest percentage of people living in houses and that is a statistic that I found by the stats Spanish stats company called the Euro Stat. And Yeah kind of confirms what I've seen in Spain. Even in smaller towns in Spain The centers of the city. We're not even the centers even the outskirts of the city's Dominated by quite large and densely built apartment blocks so the figures the iphone say that two thirds of Spaniards living apartments and while in countries such as Britain and Norway and northern Northern European countries the figure is closer to eighty percent of people living in houses with regards to home ownership. It's quite high in Spain and I was quite surprised by the statistic. I had the feeling that more people rent it Eighty percent of Spaniards own their their property while any twenty percent rent. So I guess the question is why do Spaniards prefer to live in apartments. It's well there is no hard evidence for this spurts for my research and from my own perspective of living in Spain. Spain just has more of an outdoor society. It owing to the good climate for most of the year and even in the winter months Spanish like to be out and about in the streets on the Tara Thor's in Bosnia House and in my experience where most Spaniards do their socializing. I will say in my experience of living in Spain and having lots of Spanish friends. Here is quite unusual to be invited to someone's house to socialize. It does happen occasionally but in my experience I would say that a lot less often than back in the UK for example if you go to any town or city in Spain you will notice the historic centers do have a Papa Hartman buildings but you also notice and I'm sure if anyone is living in Spain or traveled to Spain will have noticed that the outside the outskirts of even the smaller all the towns a dominated by large apartment blocks in fact entire neighborhoods whether only apartments and that's this is really really really common in Madrid. As I'm sure many of Sane and the reason for that is down to Franco. By the early nineteen sixties a huge Amount of Spaniards had migrated from rural areas from the little Pueblos to the cities as the rural economy. Konami declined families would up and move into cities which caused a big problem and in one thousand nine hundred sixty one in fact the government and passed a national housing plan to deal with the huge shortage of housing that was unable to accommodate this new wave of immigration and from the countryside into the city's not resulted in the construction of millions of homes during the next two decades. So right up into The early eighties. There was a huge wave of building which indeed resulted? In the construction of numerous apartment blocks often bell Very quickly quickly and rather cheaply and if you look at a lot of the apartment blocks around Spain you can tell by. The the architectural star which in my opinion is often quite ugly quite brutal you can tell it. Harks back to the sort of nineteen sixties. Nine thousand nine hundred. Seventy s off to Franco died and then following the election of Socialist government in nine hundred eighty two significant can resources with directed at building new housing in Spain but despite the efforts of population growth continue to outstrip construction and and so continued to become a pressing social problem for Spain so that coupled with low interest rates and an infusion of foreign investment fueled construction boom which we've all heard about which gave a massive boost to the Spanish economy but as we all know the the real estate bubble burst in two thousand nine when thousands of developers went under Spain's banks was saddled with more than one eight hundred eighty billion euros in toxic assets. And this was a huge contributor to increase in two thousand eight we've houses and nine immature lately I've noticed Certainly what all over the city where there are gaps in the center There's a lot of building of apartments going on indefinitely in various neighborhoods around the outskirts of Madrid. There are towerblocks going up and some of you may know about a huge big project project called Madrid. Norte Madrid north based around the CIA. Martine railway station a massive redevelopment project which hasn't started yet but but is due to start. I'm were lost something like twenty years and the plan is to build a huge new modern neighborhood comprising a apartment buildings shops leisure facilities offices. But I want to look at the more quirky sides and look at specifics that you find. Inside Spanish homes I myself with my fiance Carina. We live in a small piece. Oh a small apartment as I said right in the center of Madrid pieces or apartments said are the most common accommodation and for Spaniards. But that's not to say that you don't find houses where I teach out towards the outskirts of the city. You see a lot of detached houses what they call chat. Let's switch are detached houses with a little bit of garden or Patio. You do see rows of terraced houses. They're called adult satis. Casaus at Asada is terraced house us. You occasionally hear semi at Asada which is a bit like our semi-detached super common in the UK. Rows and rows of quite bland semi detached houses is in sprawling suburban streets very similar to where I grew up. You have a duplex or duplex. Which I think is quite a universal term for a two two story apartment? And then you have on article article could be a penthouse of it's super glamorous and very big or you might describe it as if it's smaller as loft apartment so that's an ethical so these are the kind of terms if you're looking to buy a house for rent and you're looking AH adverts or you're looking state agents window you might see these terms used chocolate detached Asada terrorist Semedo Sada semi-detached emme detached p. So of course we know is a flat so as a torch you now. I'm at home just in case you're wondering if you hear some kind of scuffling noises always in the background. That's our new kitten Bomba so it may Spanish apartments. You're going to have one. Doorway went insurance which is called the Poor Towel Hal Portal of course on the portal which is the main entrance to a building of maybe dozens of apartments you have an intercom so the intercom is a panel of numbers Buttons which for me when I first came to spend I used to find incredibly confusing. You have this whole bank have numbers and you have all of these little abbreviations and letters which might mean something like Floor to apartment three left or apartment three right or variations on that theme when as quite confusing. When you're I remember when I was house hunting doing the rounds in Madrid sometimes confusing using you end up bringing the wrong door barbeque talking about these buzzes? The sound you hear which is like this which is a little phone hanging on the wall by the door. You hear this sound all the time. Obviously in your own apartment you hear it but you hear it kind of echoing around the apartment zero out on the street and and It's far less common in the UK. One curious thing I find is when the postman calls. Now on the postman calls the letterbox reach apartment In in a big bank together together in the kind of lobby. Obviously the post person needs access to the letterboxes loss of booth onus. They didn't have a key to let themselves in. So what what do they do. They ring random buzzes. Just very quickly so much not just run the hand over the Bank of buzzes and whoever the first person is to aunt Sir Sir. We'll let them in on a regular basis. The bell rang. It's usually if I'm expecting a delivery of something and I think that must be the delivery I answer and it's No. It's Tarot postmen and let the Menzer is quite common on a daily basis if Khomeini morning to hear all if the buzzes ringing all around the apartment building as the postman is hoping that someone is at home to buzz them. In your little thing. I've noticed which can be a bit confusing. Sometimes when you're exiting an apartment building the the door to the main entrance or the portal doesn't just open. Sometimes they do. Sometimes you're looking for a switch to push. Looks like a doorbell or light. Switch switch to open the door. Sometimes I've done this before where I've been meaning to open a door for example and I've rung someone else's doorbell all quite often often. What happens as well as you have lights on a timer switch in the stack cases of an apartment building? There are no windows in the staircase Many times you're going up and down the stairs and what happens is the lights. Go Out. And you're in darkness and you look this little switch to turn the lights back on again and many times times I've been looking for the switch lights on and again rung someone's doorbell because the doorbells here look very much disliked. Plastic White Electric Light Switches. So sometimes that can be confusing and talking about entering an extinct apartment buildings I have to mention the many apartment blocks folks have what's called a Tarot kind of translates as a doorman But it's quite often the person who at the entrance of of the building just past the towel sits bound desk off quite often sits a little office where I used to live. There was a potato and he sat in a little office in the mornings. And maybe three till the mid afternoon after his lunch break a physical presence just kind of monitoring who's hang in and out of the building but they also have a really really used for purposes. Well if you have any deliveries home so that will sign for things for you They they normally. In charge of dates day maintenance of communal areas they might do cleaning mopping the floors of the corridors and staircases they might do a bit of painting and decorating in public areas. Not all apartment. Buildings have them and they usually paid for by the community of the buildings or of the owners of the the apartments pay every month. A community fee and path that fee goes towards paying for the poor and the poor. Tarot is basically a full time job. which kind of surprises me in this day and age? I sometimes think you know you go into an apartment building and there's a someone sat there behind a desk not really doing anything quite often. They might have a little TV On the desk or the radio on just sitting there watching people go in and out of the building passing the time of day. You kind of think I'm in this day and age. I'm quite surprised that that is we still financially viable and that it still exists. I have a friend who lives in what I would call a quite a posh apartment building as a swimming pool and has has landscaped gardens around and I went to a party there I mean cutting went to a party a month or two ago and the Porto there was it was like checking through a security gates in a in a in an apple or crossing a border checkpoint. The poortere was friendly but would not let us into the building until we told him the apartment number and the name of the person and he would check on his list to say to see that. Yes that person does live in an apartment men and would sometimes phone up to the apartment to tell them. I've got Paul and Karina here shall I let them up which I was quite surprised about. I'd never encountered count that kind of level of security before so the next one is really obvious when we think Spain and in fact I made an episode specifically about this I think last year and I'm talking about shutters. Pasadena's the shutters on windows and Baaz on windows as well. The shutters says the Pacino's I don't think there is a single Spanish home. That doesn't have us the plastic or metal shutters sometimes in the older houses. They're made of wood. Wait there really useful if you want a blackout and you don't any light at all. The great event the great for keeping the heat out in the summer months and the good for keeping the cold cold in the winter months I think personally. No Spanish is complete without us or shutters and I know that I have Spanish friends that live in the UK in my home town. And I was asking them before. What little things do you miss about the Spain on top of the list? Almost where's personas personas because yeah it's true in UK okay. We don't have shutters Very very very uncommon. We just have curtains and that's it and my Spanish friends were sort of like. Oh God in the summer when the sun comes up at five am and streaming room. And you've got your curtains closed. Oh it's really annoying because you know even with the curtains closed it's really bright Side they guy not common in the U. K. Super Super Common in Spain and the other thing Yeah the the metal bars that you find on windows of House is is called. Arrests are Baas now in our apartment. We have our Hasaan the bathroom window and the kitchen window because they look out onto into a walkway. Which I'll talk about a bit later? So yeah somebody in theory could squeeze their body through these tiny windows. I've got knows how they've managed to do do it but all the same there are on those windows. I actually think the ugly and I find it quite strange that there is a necessity in Spain to have Baas from top to bottom on all windows especially if they're on the ground floor or maybe the first two of three floors of a building in the building that we live in there are five flows and even on the top floors of the apartment building the windows tiny windows to people's bathrooms and kitchens have big thick metal buzz across them from some research. I did I think before it's something to do with insurance Spanish. Insurance companies will not ensure property unless it has baas across windows which shot easily accessible or could be easily accessible. I think it's a bit of a shame because because you see some beautiful houses particularly houses You know in the countryside and all of the windows of Baas across them and just saying just makes it. It seems a bit like a prison. I don't know anyone listening to this. Wherever you leave town Do get in touch via the facebook page and Tyler if it's the same in a country where you're from in UK. We don't have bars on any windows. Mostly went as a double glazed. They ought to here in Spain. So let's progress s from the entrance into a salon. Let's go into the living room or the lounge depending what you like to call it. Well I'm going to start first of all talking about flaws and I have touched on this before and in nearly all Spanish apartments or houses. The flaws are Not carpeted they usually tiled or. They might have what they call Tara which is like a kind of laminated it. Fake Wood flooring or covering co Tara. Oh they might have pocket but kept is the parquet flooring so the little wooden wooden blocks which has set into the floor carpets. I don't think I've ever seen a wall to wall carpet in a Spanish home. The Carpet Pitt. Muqataa is not something that Spaniards having a houses however in the UK everyone has carpets in their houses usually early. Maybe they becoming a little bit less fashionable now. Some people like to have like a Polish floor. Instead with a rug the I would say ninety percent of English or British homes. uh-huh have wall to wall carpet which is fitted which is pinned or glued down to the floor spoken to my Spanish friends. A few times about this. Come up in compensation. And then Ooh K.. Lasko they think it's disgusting that we have these permanent carpets which harbor bacteria and dirt and All this kind of thing. They think it's really on unhygienic in a way. It's a bit of a standing joke. I've heard before you know amongst me and my Spanish friends and I've Heard other people talking about it. You Say Oh God K Guarulhos British people are how how how how dirty with these cockpits everywhere and even sometimes having a carpet in the bathroom. Oh my God. That's that's disgusting and you know at which point I pointed out well. We do have vacuum cleaners which suck up up dust and debt but now they stick to their guns and say no a hard floor which you can sweep and mop is much much more hygienic eighteen. And let's face it Spain as much country than UK so it makes sense that you have hard floors tiled floors because much cooler but having said that I do miss this Sometimes kind of curling up on the floor with a back against the safer when I'm watching a film of stretching out on the floor is something I quite often did back home in the UK. Okay like the floor could become like another seat. If you had a lot of people round for example to watch a film or something it was quite normal a few people would just crush on the floor on the carpet especially especially in the winter as well you have to go around in slippers and this is another thing that I mentioned that Spanish people get a bit anxious when you go into their apartments and you take your shoes off and you walk around in your socks or if it's in the summer and you kick off your shoes or your flip flops or whatever and you go around barefoot in an apartment mm-hmm and you can see them kind of wincing in your own show. You don't want some slippers. I've got a spare pair of flip. Flops you can borrow if you like right now quite like going around in bare feet but it's something that I think Spanish date really and they're more likely at home to wear at least slippers or flip flops in the summer because of the nature of SP floors in Spanish homes. I don't think I've ever done so much sweeping. And mopping in my entire life. To be honest a mop to me was quite an a alien device for cleaning but every Spanish am has a mop and bucket. And the next thing. I want to talk about that. You find in Spanish homes. uh-huh is the Stan terrier. I didn't if I'm being unfair because maybe I'm thinking about Apartments of older people in Spain. But in in my experience when I've been to friends houses or parents or friends or family homes in Spain the steria which is the huge big league book case which tends to dominate the entire one entire wall of a lounge quite often look quite dated it Quite often made of re dark words with loads of shelves cupboards little glass cabinet spot in to them and they seem to house everything including the TV. The Stereo you might have a set of encyclopedias. You'll have numerous fe two graphs on the Trinkets Vases Thera- draws and his great big Stan terrier dominates the whole Ceylon. Everything is pointed at it. I've seen these a lot in Spain and been treated again any listeners. If you have found this to be true as well nine times out of ten when I viewed properties they seem to have these big Stan terrier and personally early in the UK. These are not popular tall. Now let me know your thoughts on this. Let me know if you have one. I know there are more modern versions of these standards. Now where people. We'll get them for my career another little observation and I think I like this light switches in Spanish homes are really big. I think it's a really good idea when you're fumbling around in the dark trying to find the switch to turn the lights on. I didn't if anyone else has noted this and I don't know if it's the same in other European countries I get the feeling that might be in France and Italy compared to the UK in the USA. Where the lights which is quite small so you have the panel but the actual button switches is quite small whereas here in in Spain on the light switches almost the entire panel is the switch which just clips up and down so I quite like it? it's easier to to turn them on and off. You probably thinking God. This is a bit niche. Well the tiny little observations that I've noticed it'll be intrigued tonight tonight. You guys have noticed this as well. Let's move to the kitchen the first ever place. I lived in Spain which was in center of Madrid which was unfortunately fortunately infested with cockroaches. which didn't seem to bother the other housemates who kept all of their cutlery plates in Tupperware containers anus to stop the cockroaches crawling on them? I didn't realize it I until one night I got up in the middle of the night to go and get a glass of water from the kitchen flick. The switch I attend the kitchen. Light on must've been dozens of cockroaches. Fleeing into the corners and into the cracks and into the crevices of the kitchen and I think it was at that moment I thought net. It's time to move on and look for another place to live but in this apartment which was in a rather old probably at least one hundred years old apartment building houses. This curious thing in the kitchen the I remember and what it was was a cupboard built into an exterior wall underneath for window. They had this cupboard with two. You wouldn't doors and when you open the wooden doors. The back of the cupboard was just like a kind of metal net or mesh or it just had holes holes Completely exposed to the outside. I had to ask my house where it was four. There was nothing in it. They didn't use it and basically in the older apartments you find them. It was a very primitive refrigerator. Where some of the first fridges? So people would hang inside this space. I some of sausage or they might key ajar of milk or anything. which would expire in hot weather would be kept in this little cupboard and I wanted to know what it was called old so I actually messaged? My Spanish teacher described it to her and she said Oh. Yeah it's called a FRESCA a FRESCA. So I guess make sense for scattered from fresco or FRESCA to be cool or fresh quite interesting Be Interested to know listeners. Again if anyone has ever seen one of these before all or indeed if you have one in the apartment way live I was quite taken with this. I thought it was a genius invention next thing I wanted to talk about in a Spanish kitchen. It is L. to`mix thermo mix thermex. I don't think I've been to a Spanish household which has has not had a thermo mix. What is the thermodynamics? It's this big heavy food processor which is capable of doing all sorts of weird and wonderful things. Here's a little extract from an advert for Thermo. Mix Salinas CA. This plethora. Is that even issue. Sagansky meeks at coffee coffee nod NANKA Kazakhstan Fadhel. Cooking has never been so easy. They're curious contraptions. We don't have one. They're very expensive. I think put the lower end. They cost maybe two or three hundred years. And I think I've seen some go up to five hundred zero or maybe more and it says a said food processor. So it's capable of mixing ingredients together but as you might have guessed by the name thermo it can simaltaneously heat and cook feed and there are also models which chill food as well and there are thousands of recipes specifically designed for the Thermo makes so. I've seen recipes his for making ice cream. I've seen recipes for making bread. You can make casseroles and stews and pastries you can just about anything in a thermo makes expects thing on my list which is connected to the kitchen But might not necessarily be kept in the kitchen These orange or sometimes blue gas bottles mains gas does exist in Spain but I think this is common as for example in the UK in my experience in the UK. I've almost never seen a house. which is gas from a gas bottle? Mains gas is pretty much everywhere in UK even in small villages. But I'm sure there are places that don't have mains gas mains. Gas is less common in Spain. But of course it does exist but the use as if gas bottles or Bomba's as they're called are really common bombard asked Gas Canisters which are delivered. Maybe on a monthly on sleep basis. You quite often see a truck delivering them. clanking down the street packed with gas bottles. They come and collect the empty one and deliver Ayu anew or not is quite a common site in Spain the gas bottle which is connected up to the gas system in the house to heat your water Our to use for your cookers. Well the other thing I was going to mention is this phenomenon code. GotTa gotTa lay down if you guys have heard of it before it is well in my opinion the quite clearly and quite dated wall covering which she see in a lot of Spanish. Charms are think gradually people are realizing that it's pretty ugly and getting rid of it but what it is is kind of stippled or bumpy. MP affect which is sprayed onto interior walls. You can see in any room in the house about. Maybe the bathroom looks like someone's ICED East. The war with the top of a cake or something. In my opinion it's quite ugly common in the nineteen sixties or seventies or even into the eighties. This most similar thing. I can compare it to back in the U. K. is wallpaper which is called would chip which she still seeing houses in the UK. A again it's kind of notorious now for being pretty old fashioned and ugly Sir yet again. Let me know if you got in your house and let me know whether you like it or not. So let's move onto the bathroom. One Difference I've noticed in Spain and Spanish homes with the bathroom compared to the UK is they are nearly always tiled from floor to Ceiling in the UK in bathrooms. I think it's more common to have tiles guy from the floor to maybe halfway up the the walls or maybe three quarters of the way up the walls except for the area where the path with a shower is I would say but in Spain. All of the bathrooms that I've ever seen Like Echo Chambers. They have tiles obviously on the floor and they have tiles from floor to ceiling and again my Spanish friends who live in my home town and Oxford back in the UK. They bought a house there a few years ago and I was helping them with a few things when they were redecorating and they got rid of the tiles when just halfway up the wall and decided to tile the entire walls and they made a special comment about it as well as they don't understand why you K- you only tile part of the world. Why didn't you tell all of the wall right up to the ceiling tonight So yeah the UK's more common maybe to have it partially tiled and then anti might have it just plastered or painted with waterproof paint or something. I don't know Talking about bathrooms as well I suppose it would be remiss of me not to mention the B. Day. We don't have a Bidet in our bathroom I have been to lots of bathrooms that do have days. I don't know if people really still use them them for washing your your Ria area or not Some people say they don't use them but they can be useful for things like I don't know if you've done some washing and it's still damp but you haven't got time to hang out the chuck it in some people say they use the days for soaking clothes closer for example. If you're doing a whitewash and you've got now white shirt which is stained instead of leaving it in a in a bowl or a bucket or something you chuck it in the B. Day. I chuck in a bit of Bleach and leave it to soak in there before washing it so I guess kind of useful. Maybe they're becoming less common in Spain. I'm not sure Certainly tale of bathrooms don't have them. Now I remember as a kid one of my first trips to Spain when I was probably about seven or eight years old being really curious as to be day was and found it hilarious that it was for washing your bottom with The other thing makes it taps now I think every tapping Spain is a mix tap and again I'm just tag gonNA use my Spanish friends to refer to in this anecdote They said Oh God why in you. Don't you have mixer taps in your kitchens and bathrooms especially in your bathrooms. He WanNA wash your hands. And you either have boiling hot water coming out of one tap and cold water out the other and you kind of have to do this little maneuver Suvorov flipping your hands between the two taps. In fact I've even seen on facebook. memes kind of taking the piss out of this phenomenon when and UK where we have to separate taps and memes of people flicking their hands between the two hot and cold taps. Maybe it's true I think in more modern bathrooms is in UK. Now they do have mixer taps but in Spain. I don't think I've seen separate taps the other thing which I find quite curious and I don't. I think this is specific to Spain. I think this is also the case in other European countries as well is that they quite often have electrical outlets or what we might call plug points in the UK inside the bathrooms quite often next to the sink. So that you can plug in a hairdryer or maybe an electric razor or something thing like that and it's just a standard Power Outlet We don't have this in the K.. For safety reasons you don't normally you find a your regular power outlets or plug points inside bathrooms because of the risk of mixing water with electricity The only thing you will defined as a specially made adapter plug for electrical razors but other than that. We don't have power points in bathrooms and the other thing with a light switch. I think it's true in America and the UK. Hey that we have a cord which you pull to turn the lights on inside the bathroom name. But they're not very common. What you normally find is the light switch for the bathroom is on the outside of the room normally by the door on the Outside the stadium with power outlets or plug points. I've always found everywhere. I've lived in Spain that there are never enough plug points and certainly this is is the case in our apartment where we live now. The building is one hundred plus years old but the apartment was renovated. Probably not that long ago but didn't occur to them to put in more plug points. I think in total in the whole apartment we probably only have like four or five plug points. Maybe one two in the kitchen. I think we've got what in in the bedroom. And we've got maybe one or two in the lounge so you end up finding that you have this tangle of adapters and extension extension cords going around the apartment where everything is plugged into just one or two power outlets are being treated and if that's the case with any of you guys listeners business or maybe if you've moved if you've bought a property and you found that you've had to Put in extra power outlets for all of your electronic devices in our case we've got extension leads out out of every power outlet which is probably not that safe to be honest and the other thing. I've noticed latest inside Most Spanish homes whether their houses or apartments is the complete lack of smoke detectors Now these have always been around in UK but certainly since. I would save a ninety nineties where there was a big kind of advertising campaign and a big push rush To to encourage people to install smoke detectors in their homes. Obvious for obvious reasons to Stop people dying from MM smoke inhalation. In their sleep. Obviously to alert people of a fire. Fire in the hub I've never seen a smoke detector in any Spanish house us whether it's been hardwired into the main elections or whether it's one of those back she operated ones you just stick on the ceiling again. Let me know if you've had problems with this or if you have smoke detectors in your homes. We don't have any actually in our apartment and something. I need to get round to buying and installing. But no no smoke detectors and I'm in homes in Spain in my experience not a common sight. Okay then just before we round off outdoor oh space tariffs Patios and Korologos. Now if you're lucky enough to live in a detached or semi detached house maybe we know in the city centre location. You have access to a nice taffer Quite often tiled areas. I didn't think grass awesome lawns are particularly common in Spain again. For obvious reasons. The climate is hard to keep a a a an area of lawn green and alive In extreme temperatures in the summer but certainly tiled spaces some apartments come with a little tougher which is usually tiled completely where we live? We unfortunately don't have a tariff Apartment building opposite us on their top floor. Apartment have a lovely big tariff on their roof with plants and sun shades. And I'm always extremely jealous of them when I see them up there enjoying enjoying a beer on the taffer in the summer But we don't but we do have an this is quite a common thing in Madrid in older apartment in buildings and that is something called a Kerala. Now I'm just Moved across to my kitchen window it looks out onto an internal kind of patio so whereupon the third flaw and what is a corral or Kerala is like a walkway quay which is open on one side. So it's kind of a corridor which leads from the staircase to the various doors of specific acidic apartments. And they're actually quite pleasant to look. How are in our building which is about one hundred and twenty years old? The corollaries a quite intricately designed wooden structure with wrought iron an quite ornate black railings. It's like an external corridor walkway walkway. And as I'm looking out now on the Kerala it's a place where people who had pop plants lots of plants that I can see you hanging down and it's also a place where people hang up. Their washing on their tender eros tend to Darrow. Is your washing line. As as I look out now and this is really common. It's like a kind of pulley system of maybe four or five clotheslines hooked up to Little Police and Wales so that you can move backwards and forwards. This is something really. Common Son is really common disease. Everyone's washing out the weekend. When they've done their wash NEC everything? Everything Nicholas underwear kind of quite intimate stuff. Really's shed with your neighbors and some people hang. These tend to data's out on their front balcony. How can I would say that's less common with that? In mind I would say the electric clothes dryers not very common in Spain. Yes you can by them yes they exist if you go into an electrical store. But I didn't know anyone who uses an electric dryer. Nearly everybody hangs washing outside one last thing. The plants on balconies super common. And I read recently something about superstitions and I take notes. Anyone else's noticed this is is quite common to see geraniums out on the balcony I can't seem to keep mine alive getting attacked by moths and bugs But apparently if you put a cactus this out on your balcony it is supposed to be good luck so few wonder why you see a lot of cactuses out on a balcony. Yes they are really really hardy and they can take any kind of extreme weather which she get in a lot of Spain but also apparently to ward off any bad luck. Stop any bad luck entering through your doors balcony into your house. 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Kristine Bunch Pt. 1: Accident or Arson?

Not Guilty

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Kristine Bunch Pt. 1: Accident or Arson?

"Due to the graphic nature of this investigation and trial listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of child death, and infanticide that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen. It was a humid night in Greensburg. Indiana in the summer of nineteen ninety five the buzz of cicadas rang out from a grove of trees surrounding the Crestwood mobile home resort, there humming, leaked into the warm night, air through the open window of a vinyl sided trailer home inside twenty one year old Christine bunch lay beside her three-year-old, son, Anthony, or Tony, while Tony watch TV Christine watched the little boys is he started. Drifting, off to sleep soon. She picked him up and put him to bed in another room. Exhausted from a full day of single parenting, her toddler and working at a nearby factory Christine settled back onto the couch to decompress within minutes. She had fallen asleep herself. In the early morning hours of July first nineteen ninety-five Christine woke up to flames plumes of smoke filled the trailer in a noxious haze, Christine coughed choking on the thick air. Then she heard him Tony Tony screamed from the far end of the trailer barely audible over the flames Christine, sprinted through the thick smoke to Tony's room. But a wall of fire blocked the room's doorway her baby was trapped inside. How should we determine a person's guilt? Do we defer to the evidence discovered by police or the verdict reached by a jury, and what happens when the evidence and the verdict don't line up? Hi, I'm Vanessa Richardson and this is not guilty. Apar- cast original each week. We look at complicated criminal cases that test the limits of innocent until proven guilty. This week were examining the nineteen ninety-five house fire that destroyed Christine bunches trailer home and killed her three year old son will follow the police as they conduct their arson examination and arrest a suspect for Tony's murder next week. We'll see how the heavy media coverage affected the case and discuss a series of appeals, and retrials. The present new and old evidence to the jury, ultimately leading them to their final verdict at par cast, we're grateful. For you. Our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help us. We also now have merchandise head to par cast dot com slash merch. For more information. Twenty one year old Christine bunch awoke to choking smoke and flames on the morning of July first nineteen ninety-five, and though her nightmare was just beginning. She had already seen plenty of hardship. She was born in nineteen seventy five to poor young parents in nineteen eighty five when Christine was ten her mother filed for divorce. She subsequently married and divorced. Three different men throughout Christine's childhood again. And again, stepfather's paraded in and out of the trailer Christine shared with her mother, and younger, brother. Then in nineteen Ninety-three eighteen year old Christine became a single mother Tony's father a man named Ronnie Snyder disappeared when Christine was just five months pregnant, he never paid bills or contributed to any expenses related to the pregnancy once Tony was. Born Ronnie cut off all contact with Christine, afraid that the government would track him down for child support, but Christine moved on without Ronnie's help she and Tony moved into her mother's old trailer at the Crestwood mobile home resort so that she would have helped with bills and childcare together, the two women, and little Tony managed to live a life, just above the poverty line Christine found a temp job at the local factory, working toward a machinist certification, all the while going to school at a state funded program, and single parenting, her busy toddler then in the spring of nineteen ninety-five not long before the fire, Christine, met someone and began a new relationship, but Christine was always exhausted and often found herself feeling incredibly alone, despite the help from her mother, and her new boyfriend. She felt as if the weight of the world rested on. Her shoulders at twenty one her future looked so different than what she had imagined. On July first nineteen ninety-five that future went up in smoke before her very eyes when she woke up in a house of flames, when Christine tried to rescue Tony a wall of fire blocked her way through the flames. She saw Tony crying in his crib, her mind raced faster than her body could catch up and for a moment. Christine stood frozen in front of the blaze she tried to suppress her panic, and think quickly. She threw a nearby blanket onto the fire hoping to smother it, but the blanket disintegrated immediately Christine sprinted to the living room gathering pillows, more blankets, anything, large enough to try and stifle the flames. But as soon as she ran back to Tony's room, she saw the fire in the doorway had spread and the flames were even larger, she couldn't get in. Panicked, Christine ran outside screaming for help. But no one was there. She rushed to the back of the house to Tony's bedroom window. She tried to break the glass with Tony's tricycle using it as a battering ram hitting the window again. And again, by this time the entire trailer was ablaze flames shot out of the roof and lit the surrounding trees, Christine, eventually felt a pair of arms around her. Pulling her back from the window. She looked around realizing crowds of people had gathered in front of the burning trailer. She struggled against the arms holding her demanding to go back for Tony. He was in the fire, but the arms would not let her go. They told her it was too late. No one inside could be saved. Now she stopped struggling and stood still in the stranger's arms for a moment. As the meaning of their words sank in Christine, sank to her knees kneeling in the ash-covered grass. She watched the inferno frozen in shock. By the time the fire department arrived, the trailers, thin walls, had collapsed, leaving behind only a crumbling frame, the neighbor who pulled Christine away from the blaze ushered her into an ambulance, Christine was admitted to the emergency room around seven AM her hair and body were covered in soot and her eyebrows. And eyelashes were singed. She hacked from the smoke in her lungs, but miraculously, she suffered only minor burns. When her family arrived, they told her what she already knew to be true. Tony was lost to the fire Christine stared at them empty. He was gone. Her baby was gone. By eight AM on July first the fire had been completely extinguished all that remained of Christine's trailer was charred skeleton of iron rods, and beams, and what was left was immediately. Picked over by Thorndike's their efforts were led by Brian Frank and James Skaggs field. Investigators for the Indiana fire marshal for the next two hours. They carefully examined the wreckage trying to determine what caused the fire. All fires start somewhere field. Investigators generally assess several key elements of burn site to determine where ablaze originated, but when a building has almost entirely burned to the ground, these elements, are all the more difficult to find one of the most dependable methods of identifying a fire source is by looking for patterns of burn marks in nineteen ninety five fire science relied, heavily on the use of V-shaped burn patterns to determine the location of a fires origin. Investigators would typically start with the V markings outside of a fires burn path. Then follow the patterns outer lines back to the source, essentially v marked the spot. But as they examined the scene. Frank discovered two prominent V-shaped burn patterns on the floor, one in the living room and one in Tony's bed. Bedroom to these indicated that the fire originated in two separate areas of the trailer. This was very unusual for an accidental fire, and it made the investigators suspicious of Christine's account of events according to arson investigator, John Lynch teens book scientific protocols for fire investigation. The discovery of multiple points of origin has traditionally been regarded as slam dunk evidence of arson in an accidental house fire, the beginning of ablaze almost always originates in one location, starting in two places would be nearly impossible at least without human assistance. As fire science has developed over time. Multiple burn patterns can now be explained by a phenomenon called flash over this occurs. When a single fire creates a steady layer of hot dense smoke that forms at the ceiling as the smoke climbs in temperature the blazing hot gas begins to descend these hot gases can suddenly ignite and within minutes, a single fire in a room can turn into a room on fire, leaving behind multiple V-shaped burn patterns. However, in nineteen ninety five the concept of flash over was not, well, understood and wasn't applied to Christine's investigation. In addition, investigators Frank and Skaggs discovered. Other clues at the scene that made them doubt that the fire was an accident just three feet from the trailers front door. They discovered an empty gas can. With the liquid accelerate found on the scene. The investigators looked more closely at the burn patterns then they noticed something peculiar, the V burn lines directed them to distinct holes in the trailer floor because fire burns upward and outward not down. Franken Skaggs concluded that something had to have drawn the fire into the floor to create these kinds of holes something like gasoline, their suspicions were soon, bolstered by a hydrocarbon detector, a tool used to detect traces of combustible fuels then, to ensure the detectors accuracy, a trained arson dog was brought in to sniff the burn patterns immediately, the dog confirmed, the presence of fuel. This wasn't an accident. It was arson. Coming up a thority question Christine, about the night of the blaze trying to determine the truth. If you're looking to eat, healthier, you need to check out daily harvest they deliver carefully sourced. Chef crafted smoothies, savory bowls overnight, oats and more, and it's all built on fruits and vegetables. My favorite smoothie is definitely the cold brew and almond. It's a favorite of mine on mornings. When I don't have much time to make breakfast or coffee. It's kind of a two in one. 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Home burned to the ground. In addition to losing her residence, her three-year-old son, Tony was killed by the fire. Christine told police that the fire was an accident. She woke up to flames everywhere. But when fire investigators Brian Frank and James Skaggs inspected the scene, they became suspicious that it was set intentionally in only a few short hours, Franken Skaggs had not only found signs of arson, but potentially the accelerate that had been used evidence was rapidly appearing and they needed to move just as fast to follow its lead. Police recovered Christine's nightgown from the hospital. They were surprised that though. It appeared to have been exposed to smoke. The gown had managed to escape the blaze without a single burn if Christine had attempt. Added to rescue Tony in the face of the wall of flames, that she described wouldn't the nightgown of been singed. In addition, investigators collected samples from the trailer, including flooring, tax strips and panelling. They were sent to the bureau of alcohol tobacco firearms and explosives or the ATF to be tested. The samples would be analyzed by forensic scientists through gas chromatography to determine the exact type of liquid accelerate used in the crime. They hoped the results would confirm their suspicions about the gasoline. Can they found in the meantime, investigators Franken Skaggs believed they had come to an almost bulletproof conclusion, the fire had been deliberately set by pouring liquid accelerate directly onto the trailers floor in two separate places in the living room and in Tony's bedroom. They had an arson case on there. Hands, but who struck the match? While the investigation continued Christine was assessed and treated for injuries at the hospital. Dr Michael Arnett noted that, while she did have some burns, there were fewer than he would have assumed given the size of the fire the hair around her forehead had been singed, and she had a small blister on the tip of her nose and injury consistent with brief direct exposure to fire her arms were mostly unaffected grad, but no worse than a sunburn her saliva, contained soot. The doctor also checked Christine's lungs, but at the time she smoked cigarettes. So it was hard to determine if she showed signs of smoke inhalation, or if it was simply damage caused by smoking all in all it seemed that somehow Christine had managed to escape the inferno almost unscathed as she was being treated, Christine grew more and more destroy. Dot and panicked as the shock of the morning, wore off and was replaced by the reality of all, that she'd lost Dr Arnett decided to give her a dose of Xanax and wrote her a prescription to take home advising her to use it to help her sleep not long after her assessment with Dr Arnett a team from the sheriff's office arrived at the hospital to speak with Christine, having heard investigator, Frank and Skaggs suspicions about the origin of the fire. They wanted to clarify Christine's account of events they asked her family to leave the small hospital room, so they could speak with her alone. When Indiana state police trooper Peter Tressler sat down with Christine, he observed that she seemed distant and disconnected from the conversation, a far cry from the grieving mother, he had pictured. However, he was unaware, that Dr are net had given Christine a dose of Xanax, which promotes calmness. This. In addition to the medication grief reactions can vary from person to person psychotherapist and author Eimi low described this same kind of emotional disconnect, in her book, emotional intensity and sensitivity, low explained that when faced with extreme situations individuals may feel a sort of freezing of emotions and detachment from the world around them as if nothing is really real the mind defensively, disconnects, as a way to survive and otherwise overwhelming trauma, but to Tressler Christine's distant affect was interpreted as something else, entirely cold indifference. He asked Christine to recount the time leading up to the fire. She explained that. She and Tony had fallen asleep on the couch in the living room the night before she woke up to Tony calling out to her when she went to his bedroom. She saw flames in the doorway, but she couldn't see Tony because of the smoke. She returned to the living room to get a blanket to throw over the flames, but the blanket caught fire, and so Christine began to beat the flames with a pillow, the fire, just got worse and soon the flames were too high for her to get into the bedroom to look for Tony after writing down her account Tressler asked Christine to go over the events. Again, this time Christine said that, when she woke up, she didn't see any smoke and the flames weren't in the bedroom doorway, but in front of one of the bedroom windows. She told Tressler, that she saw Tony on the opposite side of the room. Tressler couldn't believe. Of what he was hearing just minutes ago Christine told him in almost entirely different series of events something wasn't, right. He asked Christine to go over that morning. One more time exhausted Christine stumbled through her statement for the third time, her memory of the event was like a fog, and she couldn't see clearly to the other side, she told Tressler, that she saw no smoke when she woke up. But this time when she went to Tony's bedroom. There were flames on the floor beside the bed, she left the room to find the fire extinguisher. But by the time she came back, the flames were already out the bedroom door and there was nothing. She could do. With three inconsistent. Statements trust ler was no longer convinced that Christine was telling the truth. Why was she changing her story? What was she hiding as Tressler wrapped up the interview Christine's aloof demeanor suddenly changed with great concern. She asked if they found Tony he tried to deflect the question, but Christine was consumed. She had to know where he was. She had to know that her baby hadn't just been lost inside the trailer. But to Tressler this question, wasn't that of a grieving mother, but of a concerned perp was she preoccupied, because she didn't want Tony's body discovered Tressler chose his words carefully. Yes. Tony had been found firefighters had retrieved him from the trailer and his body was being examined by forensic steam for evidence. He. Caused they suspected Tony had been murdered. Christine wanted to scream, but she could hardly breathe. She was paralyzed the policeman's words permeated her chest, and ranked through her entire body. Murdered. Tony had been murdered while Christine fumbled through her interview with Tressler investigators at the scene were uncovering. Even more suspicious details in Tony bunches death. When they spoke with the firefighter, who had recovered Tony's body. He told them that his path to the far bedroom had been obstructed when he entered the blazing trailer he struggled to get around a large object in the hallway, ultimately, he was forced to crawl over it entirely after the fire was put out investigators identified the object as a reclining chair, it partially obstructed, the doorway to the bedroom. But how did a piece of furniture find its way almost directly in front of the bedroom? Mm entrance. Was it deliberately placed there to block firefighters from entering the room when the firefighters search through debris? He found what appeared to be a small stiff doll between the bed and the wall. But soon he realized that he had found the body of a small boy, it was Tony. Tony's body was transported to Indiana University Medical center in Indianapolis were an autopsy was performed the forensic pathologist reported that Tony's body had been completely charred, and that soot was found inside his mouth nose and even his trachea. The forensic report determined that. The three year old died from smoke inhalation by the time. Tressler reported back with the inconsistent testimonies that afternoon investigators had only become more convinced of their suspicions. The case had wreaked a foul play from the beginning. And the supporting evidence was piling up around them eventually they landed on just one suspect Christine bunch. She was the sole survivor of the fire and the only person home that night other than her toddler son, all signs at the scene led to the conclusion that the fire was set intentionally using liquid accelerate. In addition, Christine, kept changing her story, she gave three different versions back to back within an hour. She had something to hide, and then there was her detached aloof behavior when questioned investigators knew what grief looked like. And Christine bunch wasn't showing it, it also didn't appear that anyone else had a motive to set the fire. Tony's absent father, Ronnie didn't have any kind of criminal background, and he had been successfully evading any child support payments, setting the fire would only reveal himself to a thorn. He's there were no angry. Neighbors or jilted lovers Christine. Gene, sole enemy was perhaps only herself as a young single mother struggling to keep her head above water. Authorities explored the possibility that Christine burned down the trailer in an attempt to collect insurance money or government aid, perhaps Tony's death was just an unintended side effect, the result of poor planning and desperate measures. But investigators didn't find any property insurance policies in Christine's name next. They revisited the idea that perhaps Christine did intend to kill Tony, and she had taken a policy out on his life that she planned to collect on. But once again, their search came up fruitless. Further searching revealed that Christine, and Tony were on food stamps. They barely had money for groceries much less a monthly life insurance payment. But as investigators overturned more stones of Christine's life. They revealed more and more details of the twenty one year old single mothers situation with no partner support. No, money and little education. The world seemed stacked against Christine bunch, and perhaps her son was just too heavy of a burden for her to carry any longer. Maybe in her desperation, afire seemed like the only way out investigators began to consider this as the most likely motive both Frank and Skaggs concluded that Christine had poured and accelerate such as gasoline or kerosene onto the linoleum floor of both rooms before, lighting a match. Once the fire had started, Christine, had simply let Tony Di reinvigorated Franken Skaggs pressed forward with the investigation if they could get it. They wanted more hard evidence before they cornered Christine. I they tested the gas. Can they had found at the trailers front door for fingerprints? They recovered several partial prints. But none of them matched Christine's, then they checked all the gas stations in the area and conducted interviews with each attendant to see if anyone recognized Christine bunch or had seen her at their station, buying gas or kerosene. No one had, despite this Franken Skaggs stood their ground. They felt they had evidence beyond a doubt that the fire was arson. They even had proof of how it was done. They just needed their suspect to confess. Tressler called Christine at her mother's house where she'd gone after being released from the hospital and asked her to come to the police station immediately when she arrived at the station around ten pm, Christine was still groggy. She'd taken another zanex a few hours previously to help her sleep, not expecting to have to go anywhere else that night she stepped into the station in bare feet. All of her shoes had been lost to the fire Christine was ushered into a small interrogation room while her mother waited outside as she took stock of her surroundings. She began to realize why they had asked her to come in so urgently, the police didn't believe her. Coming up. Christine sits for her fourth. Police interview once again changing the details of her story. When you think of a criminal, what do you picture? Do you picture a murderer a gangster a thief? I bet you didn't think he could be. The little old lady down the street who murdered her tenants or the mother around the corner who buried her two kids in the backyard every week, I host a show called female criminals where we examine the psychology motivations and atrocities of female perpetrators, the male criminals, thoroughly investigates, the lives of the world's most notorious female felons, and explores the stories behind their dangerous crimes. You can listen to episodes on female criminals, such as Leona Helmsley. The Queen of mean who rose to the top of the New York City real estate scene, but was eventually put on trial for fraud and tax evasion or Patty Hearst, who was kidnapped by the symbionese Liberation Army, and ultimately sided with her kidnappers and became a full blown urban guerrilla, check out. The true crime podcast where women aren't just victims. Search for ends up scribe to female criminals on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. And please don't forget to rate and review. Now back to the story. Sixteen hours after losing her home and her three-year-old son, twenty one year old Christine bunch sat down for her fourth conversation with police as they began to probe. Her statement Christine realized that the officers didn't think she was telling the truth about what happened. She was shocked exhausted. And most importantly, unaware of her rights, Christine didn't know she was entitled to consultant attorney before giving any statements and she had no time to find out she had been released from the hospital, a mere eight hours earlier Christine walked police through her account of the fire and yet again, she careened into a different story she told investigators that she and Tony had fallen asleep together in his bedroom, not the living room and that she had woken up to Tony laughing. She then saw that the law. Leno. Liam floor was burning and she left the room to get a blanket to smother the flames the blanket quickly melted. So she left the room, a second time to retrieve a pillow to beat the fire like in her third testimony but not the first to Christine claimed the fire started to grow. So she ran to find the fire extinguisher, when she came back the flames had grown, too tall for her to get to Tony Christine spoke in the same manner that she had to Tressler earlier that day she was cold, seemingly devoid of emotion, and most importantly, inconsistent. But again, police were unaware, that she had recently taken zanex, which would have blunted her emotions and made her groggy after several hours of interrogation. But no confession the police agreed to release Christine, if she returned to take a polygraph test at that point Christine, felt compl-. -pletely depleted by the day's events. She didn't know what a polygraph test was, but she was desperate to go home. She agreed. Three days later on July fifth nineteen ninety-five Christine returned to the station. She was hooked up to the polygraph machine and strapped in a chair facing a wall away from the polygraph operator with her back to the polygraph. Christine felt as though the operator was trying to make her feel as though he was sneaking up on her for perhaps, the first time since being questioned Christine felt genuine anxiety, but she also was tired, the zanex should been prescribed and was taking regularly made her drowsy. Staying alert to her surroundings was difficult a polygraph machine or lie detector test is used by police to determine a person's veracity during a line of questioning by monitoring psycho physiological changes like heart rate, blood pressure, and respiration, investigators believed they could reliably detect fear and anxiety. In an interviewee and thus. No. When they were lying. However, in more recent years, the accuracy of polygraph testing is controversial if not entirely unfounded, it's underlying flaw is crucial. An honest person can be just as anxious as a deceptive one as he conducted the test with Christine, the operator changed the tone of his voice at each question. He asked her why she didn't grab Tony wall. She was in the bedroom. Christine claimed that her nightgown had caught fire, but the police knew that wasn't true. Even without the polygraph, the nightgown they had collected from the hospital was full of soot, but not burned next. The operator showed Christina diagram of the fire scene indicating where the reclining chair had been placed in the bedroom. Doorway Christine denied any knowledge of the chair moving claiming that the chair should. Not have been near the doorway at all the operator continued, as the polygraph word away, slipping in perhaps the most critical question of the case, he asked, why did you start the fire Christine allegedly responded? I don't know with that indirect admission of guilt. The operator ended the questioning. He turned Christine around to face him and informed her that she had failed the polygraph test, then he paused looking at her closely he told Christine, that he knew that she had killed her son, Christine looked right back at him. She was beaten down and exhausted. And the last scrap of hope she had been clutching to was being rustled from her grasp, but she tightened her grip. And she told him, she wanted a lawyer. After the polygraph test Christine was immediately arrested by this time a probable cause affadavit had been formally issued by Indiana state fire. Investigators explaining and accelerate was used in the trailer fire on July fifth. Christine was formerly charged with arson and the murder of Tony bunch. She was taken to jail that night the next morning. She was finally able to speak with a lawyer forty six year old public defender. Frank Hamilton junior Hamilton had never defended anything more serious than petty crimes. Now, he found himself sitting across from a handcuffed twenty one year old woman charged not just with arson, but with the murder of her child, Christine lacking, any education of the law, or court system, took all of her cues from Hamilton before anything else, he firmly advised Chris. Steen, not to speak to anyone regarding the case, especially the media, and she didn't for more than two months, while she was in jail in Decatur county Christine spoke to no one except her immediate family. But while Kristine anxiously awaited, her trial date, she was already being tried in the court of public opinion, local media quickly learned of the scandalous, accusations, and the news spread across Indiana faster than the fire that consumed her trailer home for months while she languished, in jail articles speculated as to why Christine would have killed her three year old son, and what kind of mother would remain silent in the wake of her child's death. Indiana newspaper articles painted Christine as Leach on the system claiming that the young single mother was not only on food stamps, but also unemployed and suffering emotionally from her poor life decisions and because Christine had been instructed to avoid the media. She said nothing to contradict the claims. But while the media poisoned her name Christine finally received a small reprieve, citing a lack of evidence and no tendency to run no motive and no insurance money. Christine was led out on bail on October. Twelfth nineteen ninety-five according to letters from prison voice of women murderers. She could wait for her February trial at home with her family as she walked out of the building. A reporter snapped her picture, the media quickly circulate. Did the photo asking why someone who murdered their own child was led out of jail. The police started tailing her if they saw her outside, her house, even regular people in Greensburg would whisper and point, some would even call out to her yelling, baby killer for all to hear the unwanted attention. Drove Christine from the public eye. She avoided leaving the house as much as she could spending much of her time feeling, as though she had been consumed by an endless black hole. But while on parole, Christine found support not only from her family, but in the budding relationship she had left behind when she was jailed. She reconnected with the boyfriend. She had been seeing at the time of the fire and found herself spending a lot of time with him when they were together Christine felt safe from the nightmare of her looming trial with him. She still felt that maybe somehow it would all be okay, then within weeks of being released Christine became pregnant, it wasn't planned. In fact, she had used a prophylactic the possibility of bringing another life into the world after Tony's death frightened her. But at the same time, it felt like a lifeline a connection to a new hope she hadn't had before. But when she told her boyfriend about the pregnancy he dealt Christine, yet another blow. He confessed that he was married and had no plans to leave his wife Christine was shocked and hurt, but ultimately decided to keep the baby despite this news. And despite her pending trial. Her mother agreed to take care of the baby of Christine was convicted in the months leading up to her court date the debate over Christine, bunches guilt, or innocence continued to play out in multiple publications newspapers printed, stories, claiming that Christine had killed Tony because she was sick of being a mother others speculated. She had become psychologically impaired from the isolation and abandonment of being a single mom resulting in a belief that Tony was literally better off dead than living in their dire situation articles, described her behavior as cold and unfeeling the morning of the fire. They claimed. Christine had stood alongside other bystanders and simply watched as the growing inferno killed her young son. Then the local newspaper, the Greensburg daily news dropped a bombshell, they ran an article stating that Christine had been given a polygraph and failed. In addition, they claimed that she confessed to setting the fire the evidence they said, was damning worst of all the article was published on February twenty fifth nineteen ninety six the day before Christine bunches trial began, and every potential juror in Greensburg had seen the headline. Thanks for listening to not guilty. We'll be back Thursday with our next episode on Christine bunch. I will cover her initial trial, and then follow her dogged pursuit of an advocate, who would help her bring old and new evidence before the courts, will also explore the evolving world of fire science, and the developments that would emerge to affect the cases incriminating evidence, you can find more episodes of not guilty as well as all of parkas other shows on Spotify or your favorite podcast. Directory, several of you have asked how to help us, if you enjoy the show, the best way to help is to leave a five star review. And don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at park, assed network. In the meantime, based on the evidence presented decide for yourself was Christine buncha grieving mother whose young. Son's life was lost to a free Kaos fire or was she a murderer? Find out next week. Not guilty was created by max Cutler is a production of Cutler media and is part of the park cast network. 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Rising health risks from West Coast wildfires

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Rising health risks from West Coast wildfires

"Hey everyone it's officially fall. Nice weather, beautiful colors but the other day I found myself in a scene from bladerunner. It's Wednesday. September ninth and I alongside everyone in San Francisco woke up to this creepy weird. Orange glow in the air yeah. It was. It was surreal. So I literally started recording my thoughts. And walking grab lunch right now it's about two o'clock. It's a little lighter, but it's it's orange outside. This is so nuts it looks like there's just an instrument filter but of everything and almost looks like another planet ash covering it even piling up on cars smokey's orange haze that looks like dust or movie on Mars travelers just must be stunned when they're looking at those windows and seeing all that orange. Sky. I gotta say I enjoyed the change of scenery but for a whole minute because I really started to worry. Looked exactly. The same outside from seven am until now, which is about. Four PM. Literally can't even tell what time it is. It's just it's orange fog o'clock all day. Okay. It's now September tenth. The Sky isn't as orange. It's got this misty foggy smoky look to it kind of like it could be really bad cloudy day. If I. Take my mask off. It basically just smells like smoke and fire. The air quality actually feels worse today than yesterday all along the West Coast dozens of large fires have caused evacuations, widespread destruction, and creating these gigantic plumes of smoke. So I took a step back and started to wonder. What's actually inside all the smoke we're seeing and how does it really affect air quality? What's it doing on the microscopic level when I breathe it in? What's it doing to my lungs? How does this affect the other issue Kobe? This is Nova now where we try to clear the air and find the science behind the headlines. I'M A low Patel. What's happening here in California in some ways isn't that unusual wildfires happen every year and they're essentially divided into two main categories, wildfires and prescribed fires. Wildfires can started by lightning lava or by people doing things that they shouldn't do like when you fail to put out a campfire or when you set off fireworks. Whereas prescribed fires ignited after careful planning by local fire managers. Let me be clear not all wildfires are bad. There's a natural force out there. Sometimes there needed to renew and balance ecosystems by getting rid of old brush helping germinate the seeds, some plants or providing important charred habitat for certain insects and small wildlife. When they rage out of control, obviously they can be deadly and right now we've seen a record breaking amount of acres, scorched, generating vast clouds of smoke and air pollution. Monday September. Fourteenth. Air feels a little better. It looks a little better outside but are a Q. I. It's still between one fifty and two hundred, which is still not great. Ache Ui is the air quality index think of it as a yardstick to measure air quality it was made by the US Environmental Protection Agency and it runs from zero to five, hundred, the higher, the value, a higher, the air pollution, the the air pollution. The higher, the health concern. Zero is like crystal clear pristine air with no pollution and anything above three hundred is just straight up labeled as hazardous. All right to really understand these apocalyptic skies I spoke with someone who's literally flown through them to find the answers. Her name is Emily Fisher. I'm an associate professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University. She Studies how air pollutants moving the atmosphere and how wildfire smoke impacts air. Quality. In two thousand, eighteen, you have this project called we can, and I'm like this is awesome Western wildfire experiment for Cloud Chemistry, Aerosol absorption, and nitrogen. I would just walk into bars and tell people that's what I did but can you tell us about the weekend project? Sure. So in summer twenty, eighteen, a large team instrument at the NSF and Kirsty thirty aircraft that's a Lockheed C. One thirty Hercules gigantic American four engine military transport aircraft transformed in this case into a chemistry Skylab, and we sampled the smoke from more than twenty different wildfires all across the West. So similar sized wildfires to those that are burning right now, very large wildfires. Basically. What we did all summer was wake up in the morning. Get the instruments ready. About one o'clock in the afternoon, we live to whatever wildfire was most active that day starting basically as close as we could safely to the fire source and then tracking that same poem. Down wind and repeatedly sampling the chemistry of that. We would take the plane and cross perpendicular the in and out of the smoke moving away from the wildfire. So, it's like we were mowing the lawn with the airplanes taking samples to understand how the smoke chemical composition changed. When time a sounds Kinda scary. You're basically describing was how you and your team. For in the C. One thirty and you actually were getting some smoke samples directly coming into the aircraft Yes. But the windows of the aircraft are not open right. So most of the smoke staying outside the aircraft and we are very carefully sampling the outside air pulling little bits of and very quickly directly into different sets of instrumentation. So. We would fly up to these fields, cumulus clouds, and then I would say, okay pilot. Pilot would just cloud to cloud like. And the whole back of the plane has like. Feeling like they're gonNA vomit and I would medicate myself with one of those like school mean patches, right? So that I didn't throw up in the front see like sitting there at the window being so. Emily fishers team conducted over a dozen smoke observation flights between July and August of two, thousand and eighteen. It's one of the most comprehensive attempts so far to measure and analyze the wildfire smoke that can blanket vast areas of the country. So, basically, we were measuring harmon monoxide and dioxide fain trajan science nitric acid. Nitrate at a bunch of other things like benzine ozone and toluene emolument paints and adhesives. Things that probably should not be in your lungs that many wildfires as we cut that day I want to be an atmospheric scientists. Now, my heart was racing a lot and it's just I think because these fires are just so large and so powerful that it. Just feels wrong to be that. It's like, what am I doing? What am I flying into this thing? I can't see it smells like a crazy campfire you know. and. So basically, as soon as we would cross the smoke room, I would be able to see carbon monoxide rocket up in addition to visually knowing was plan because we can't see anything. You can also chemically see that rapid shifted air chemistry but at the same time, you know it's safe right? If the pilots comfortable, they're not going to do something that they think is unsafe. This is one of the most amazing commitments to meteorological. Based on this. Can you tell us what exactly wildfire smoke is made of mile fire smoke is a combination of thousands of different gases and small fine particles that range in sizes and the composition of those particles is mainly organic carbon but there's all sorts of other constituents in there as well. Mainly, it has to do with what was burned by the particular fire in question trees, vegetation houses, vehicles. So the composition of smoke changes as you move down win so that the smoke that you would be breathing if you were say. Right at a campfire or write down wind of a wildfire within hours is very different than the smoke that you're breathing. If you were breathing smoke one day down wind or so and so each chemical species lasts a different amount of time in the atmosphere. But what about that blade runner orange sky when you have a really concentrated smoke. It's absorbing quite a bit of Sun's light and reflecting another portion of it and so it's To her visibility is compromised and then the fresher smoke tends to look more orange and more brown and that's exactly what we saw here in San Francisco a few weeks ago. It was a combination of atmosphere at chemistry physics right before our eyes smoke particles from the wildfires filter out certain wavelengths of sunlight pretty much. They're absorbing or scattering the blue while leading some other colors come through which can give skies that infernal creepy color can also make the city darker and colder. Now on the other hand when fires are local people see these massive smoke clouds they think, oh my gosh, that's bad and instantly becomes news and you can smell it because it's local and so the cons that Snell are still very much president smoke. and. So people seem to be protecting themselves under those conditions by. So as you move further down wind and smoke gets dilute, people can't smell the smoke right off the compounds that smell reacted away. It only takes a day for the chemicals and smoke that caused that smokey smell to react other substances in the atmosphere like ozone. And once those reactions take place the smoke loses its smell that this is tricky because. I smoke is still dangerous. For example, benzine can stick around in the air for a day or two. Well, after that smokey smell is gone and benzene can actually cause cancer in humans with long term exposure. So a little different than what's happening with wildfires but it's still something that's terrible for your lungs. About compounds can also form when certain chemicals in the smoke start to. Break. down. Now at some point, the smoke becomes more diluted, and also this depends on how much someone is actually out there breathing they're not taking protective actions or at least that's our hypothesis when you know their noses aren't telling them to do so. You know this morning I looked at the. Than I need that determination for my family this morning my kids are not allowed to go outside we need we need to check that day Hugh I. That's where we should be getting our information from not from our noses right now I mean you see reports of wildfire smoke from the west coast getting over to the Midwest and the East Coast we see reports of welfare smoke making it to Europe right. So wildfire smoke particularly from large western US wildfires can travel very far so it is routine for that smoke to cross the North American continent There are regions that are more typically down wind of upwind fire regions so for example. You Know Colorado is often down wind of the Pacific northwest or northern California. Now that smoke plume may not always be at the ground impacting your quality, but is somewhere in the atmospheric column. So for some things, go all the way around the northern hemisphere at approximately the latitude of California Oregon, Washington and approximately. That's three to four weeks. The impact reduces as you move further down wind because the smoke gets diluted reacts way or it's rained out. Thank you rain. Now one of the compounds at Emily Fisher founded wildfire smoke is PM two point five. The PM particulate matter basically a mixture of solid particles in liquid droplets found in the air. Sometimes, you can see some of those particles in dust dirt suit or smoke but other times they're so small, they can only be detected using an electron microscope. The two point five means particles have a diameter that's generally two point, five micrometres or smaller, which to give you perspective is a tiny fraction of the width of a single human hair. And these particles can go deep into your lungs and caused a lot of respiratory problems. That's physiology, which has a doctor is my jam but. We needed a specialist so I phoned a friend. Do I have to call Darling Jamie for sure. Cedric Jimmy Rollin is a pulmonary and critical care physician in southern California and a spokesperson for the American Lung Association and sometimes actually call him for life advice. You know my expertise in the pulmonary world is with autoimmune lung disorders or anything that causes inflammation in Merom that's just really not supposed to be there. So you can classify asthma is one of those interstitial lung disease things of that sort I I also do interventional. Just, keep my hands dirty as well as running intensive care units just to keep my mind. Wife and two kids were amazing and. That's it. I think it's funny because some people out there play solitaire or video games to quote uncle keep their mind. SHARP DR RUNS ICU's to keep his mind sharp-edged that to sink in with everyone Jamie spoke to me from his house where his two kids are running around. You can kind of hear them. It's durable. Jamie before we talk about things that don't belong in our lungs such as smoke you're in southern California. How is the past couple of weeks been the wildfire smoke house that been for you and your patients you know two weeks ago when I stepped outside and immediately smelled smoke. As soon as you smell the smoke, your body knows your eyes start to get irritated they started to water your lungs are Kinda like. Wait what is that what's going on here and I immediately look down right I'm looking at my kids and I'm like, do they feel this because that's when I gotta make a u-turn go back insi it's obviously affecting patients and it does affect my practice because I do get a lot of phone calls on exacerbations of respiratory illnesses and allergic type of illnesses as well. Now, we just talked to an atmospheric scientist. About the particles that are actually wildfire smoke and we talked about organic carbon monoxide. But you know she also brought up things like benzene, toluene ozone, and all these other byproducts. Can you speak to kind of what these molecules could do to our lungs and are short and long term health? So it's not supposed to be there your body recognizes it as foreign and it increases the inflammatory products. Inflammatory products is another way of saying our system see something in your body that doesn't belong there, and then there's an attack, some cellular byproducts and this all causes local inflammation in when you have an increase in inflammation in the lung. Belong instead of being full of air is full of white blood cells and bullets reactive oxygen species. When you think reactive oxygen species skip the chemistry textbook just think chemical it has oxygen can cause reactions. Sometimes, those reactions can be good. Sometimes, they can be really bad that also leads more and more inflammation. So what ends up happening is significant harm in your lungs and the way that you feel that you guys driving you guys listening is your short of breath and you call, I understand that someone around the smoke if you can see the smoke, it's in the air, you're near wildfire could. Feel those effects right away. But what kind of health effects can you see if you're far away from the smoke and the error kind of has these pollutants in it, but you don't necessarily see it. The most common health affects that you're going to see in those communities are the common becks that we see in people who are living in industrialized areas. You'RE GONNA see the asthma exacerbations in the younger kids you're going to see allergic type of summer Tennessee cough if you're patient and smokes and has significant lung disease, you're GonNa feel as soon as you step outside, you're going to be like. I'm not getting enough oxygen I don't feel like I'm getting enough air reason not getting enough air is because the air is full of other things other than nitrogen and oxygen. It's also people up and that's an issue. Fair. He's. So when we're here these headlines Right or these recommendations about you know going inside and protecting yourself from the harmful air getting a the filter I, think there's a biased because some people don't have access to that. Right? Like we have a man in California large homeless community. There are people who don't necessarily have a chance to go to save shelter or drive away. Can you talk about the disproportionate impact that we're seeing right now on poor air quality air pollution on different communities and what message do we need to sit out there? What can we do to collectively help people? So here's what I notice. People can't afford to live where it's the most safe people can't afford to live where the air is the cleaners but what ends up happening and this is interesting policymakers will make it. So diesel trucks can't drive through beverly, hills. But they can drive through the industrialized areas sill beach in long. Beach Right. So what happens is you have a concentration of air. Pollution in neighborhoods that are in these industrialized areas that leads to significant healthcare problems like asthma like other types of lung diseases right. When you start to build up the solution over the course of time, you're more likely to develop these issues not to mention the fact that these children and adults are doing the same thing that other people are doing like being right smoking, which is further damaging their low. So the disproportion continues because there's no access to healthcare. Their physicians aren't going there to educate the public on what's happening in what's going on and how to stay as healthy as they can I'm not. Everybody deserves to live off of her Dale Dry. All I'm saying is that at some point me you, we gotta go into that neighborhood and educate the children educated adults about what's actually happening and what their risk is. To be honest with you I consider myself savvy enough when it comes to social determinants of health and awareness but I had no idea about that diesel truck. Kinda. issue. In another question for you have you seen anything recently, any links any kind of exacerbations of covert nineteen symptoms with this wildfire smoke I got a lot of questions from people saying like, how do I tell the difference between the two? Yeah. So listen we already know that if you have quoted nineteen and you smoke, you're GONNA do worse than somebody who? Doesn't smoke, and so when I think about air pollution, it's the same thing we already know that air pollution can lead to worsening covert nineteen. The studies are being done. We can't state exactly the prognosis or the relative risk or whatever it is. Now what we know that it affects it. So yeah, it makes a difference however people that have smoke inhalation injury. Our next to the fires. Those are the people that most commonly presents the hostile or to the clinic next the fires. Now, the other thing about his as people flee these fires going, we're going inside well who's inside other people and so now they're exposing themselves to greater number of people. More people means more exposure to the virus that's initial. Funding for NOVA NOW'S PROVIDED BY DRAPER Draper is going places from the Moon to cyberspace interested in joining them. Bizet draper. Dot Com. I gotTa Say I think twenty. Twenty has become the year of the facemask because you know we've been using masks medicine for over a hundred years. But. This is the first time we've seen them dominate the headlines. Here's director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Robert Redfield at a Senate hearing last week. Facemasks, these face masks are the most important powerful public health tool we have I might even go so far as to say that this mask is more guaranteed to protect me. Against Covert. Then when I take a co- vaccine mask, the center stage in the fight against the virus SARS Kobe to which causes the disease. Kobe. And they've also been the focal point of arguments that have started fights in grocery stores, airplanes even aboard a New York City fairy give me a break in lately. People are also thinking about them in the context of wildfire smoke. The Sun is blocked the mountains herbs scared, and the maths are now serving a dual purpose. This is just making this worse with Cova. Making the masks more imperative be wearing right now than ever. Now granted masks were old news in Asia way before the pandemic, we saw them become a central item, China's fight against air pollution and especially in two thousand and two, two, thousand and three during the SARS outbreak and that one by the way was successfully contained. But are they what we really need when it comes to dealing with wildfires smoke to find out more I talked to a couple of researchers at a school material science and engineering at Georgia. Tech. MIAMI. Park a my name is Sundays and Jada Almond they're sort of modern versions of inspector gadget when it comes to integrating electronics and textiles there the CO creators of the smart shirt, the first wearable motherboard created in. Nineteen. ninety-six it's basically shirt made out of intelligent fabric that get this can monitor vital signs. It's so awesome. The shirt is now in the Smithsonian now over the past decade, this dynamic duo who sounds like they should be designing costumes for superheroes have been studying face masks I looking at pictures. From that area and it's so painful and here we have these people who are fighting fires. We need to take those guys but equally importantly the poor citizens who are there, what kind of protection they need? I have a engineering question ask both of you. You know we're a mask almost every single day I'm at work pre pandemic during the pandemic and you know physicians and public health experts have been. Talking to everyone about the importance of masks right now and how they work. But I would love to hear from an engineering perspective about the difference protection between and ninety five versus surgical mask versus a cloth masks. The End Ninety five is what you call the gold standard right as a physician. You know when you wear a ninety five, you'll get fit tested just befitted to the individual who is wearing it. The fittest. That there is no leakage either inward or outward leakage. And what they ninety-five tells you is it is going to filter out ninety five percent of the particular. That are point, three microns and higher. So when you say and ninety five, you just go to Home Depot and pick up and in thousand five, you're not going to have the ninety five percent protection just because you have and ninety five because it does not been fit tested. So there's a little bit of confusion about the difference between an end ninety. Five and A K and ninety five it all comes down to wear the mask was certified standard n ninety five masks are generally certified by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and health here in the US but they can be certified in other countries as well whereas the K and ninety five are generally certified in China. Now if you run out and just find any ninety five mask or you pick one up at the store and you don't get professionally fitted. It'll still work, but it may not work as efficiently as it could because everyone's faces different Dr and I have to tell you a very quick funny story when I was a resident I had to go get fit tested for my and ninety five mask at the same time I thought I would be cool and I thought it was gonna look good growing a beard I showed up to get tested and there were like you have to shave that beard right now at the doctor gyro putting a big X of his hands for our listeners I shaved my beard in a bathroom at the testing place with a razor and water no shaving cream. And so I, I had shaved his beard but I also had a bunch of razor burn and bleeding and ended fit test, and then Dr Patel is not doing any kind of innovation or any up procedure that's going to generate an aerosol. He's going to be using a surgical masks and surgical mask. PROTECTS DR per tales droplets from reaching his patients. It also provide some degree of protection to him are in Tulsa Office, surgery cameras this has a very good filtration efficiency. Bob Can see there is a kind of opening on the side and also especially on top of knows that, song? ME. Park. By the way and that means surgical masks have very good filtration in the front but not around it. Think of it like if you're holding an umbrella, you're going to protect yourself from rain coming straight down on top of you. But if it's raining sideways, you don't have full protection in your body's going to get wet I agree I think the fit is not only is it really important? I think it's underestimated when These masks and they don't understand air is flowing to the side and people say, Oh, my God why are my glasses fogging up when aware? Air is flying up your nose. Can you give us a quick definition of filtration efficiency? Let's say you've got hundred bad guys coming through. Okay and you put a barrier, and after only three guys can go inside. That means you're filtered out ninety seven percent of the bad guys. You can also think in terms of your typical trainer, you might use in your kitchen, right? You're signing pastor for instance. So what happens you put it in your trainer the big piece of stay inside the strain, but the water goes down but if any Of, for Pasta, pieces is broken down that's also going through the sieve and it's going to come out. So that's how I would explain tradition efficiencies how effective it is in terms of trapping the bad guys from either coming in are going out understood and Jeremy. You mentioned a stranger in the kitchen I was hoping you were going to use Chai as an example rather than pasta, but that's okay. And filtration important at the same time breathe ability eighty. You can have a higher education, but if you can breathe through it, then that's useless. So Park Jeremy brought their engineering, know how to face masks and developed a breathable comfortable and washable design that limits leakage and is more effective from the viewpoint of filtration from your regular old maybe artistic cloth masks other mosque is made of textile fabric. Their redesigned mask is made of several pieces of fabric that are sewn together. It covers everything from above your nose to under your Chin. Almost going down here, neck. There's then panels a fabric that cover your cheeks, and there's a small opening for your ears and the best part is it securely fastens behind the back of your head, which makes stay in place. And it's reusable. For a couple of reasons, one and ninety five cannot be washed a surgical moss cannot be washed unfortunately today's many people are using and ninety five's okay. Let has our mosque is intended for the general public. It also features a pocket in the front where you can insert a filter. If you WANNA level up your filtration efficiency, which is a good idea and protecting yourself against cove nineteen, he does not have the filtration efficiency of an end ninety five. So it does not a respirator, it does not a surgical mask, it is a fabric or cloth masks. But combines some features of the end ninety five by proceeding good form fit so that you're able to prevent the bad guys from going out to others and the bad guys from coming into you. Now you're wondering, where can I get my very own Park Jayaraman mask? Well, it's not commercially available just yet, but you can make one yourself. If you just check out the paper, they wrote in the Journal of the Tax Institute, There's easy to follow instructions and there's photos and pro tip use multiple pieces of fabrics. You Can Kinda win style points sil- matters. All right that's facemasks one. 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Episode 28: The Wheel Of Torture

The Ladies of Strange

54:54 min | 1 year ago

Episode 28: The Wheel Of Torture

"Why did you not wouldn't that be a Larionov? That's on your vagina makes when it's ready. Math. He's gonna divorce. I don't know why that just popped out because you are becoming one of. Thank you for that. See we're in the middle of meeting, and I'm gonna pop coke and Tiffany. It'd be like deputy gonna look over and Tiffany she's going to cross lakes. And welcome. Ladies of strange. I'm Ashley I'm Tiffany. I'm rebecca. You never play along. I Ashley I'm Tiffany Weimer. Thank you for joining us each week as we forced Rebecca to do things. She doesn't want to discuss this -tory mystery theory, all these questionable odd and airy like, yeah. Poku? For me there. We won't at your radio voice. I mean, Tiffany had like the Schwedt balls host. And you sound like a Basset. Yes. So watch your point nothing at all separate love, you dearly items here that is my point. I'm glad your friend. Sure why. I'm not sure either. Would you say that sometimes being friends with us is them cashiering what? Yeah. Sure, occasionally, I do have to walk out on conversations with Tiffany often, your well you walked out yet while we were recording not while recording. But it worked I walked out on like four or five times a day care about how often she walks out on you. She's never walked out on me. Well, maybe I don't know. I I don't like this. You're like the wife, and I'm the mistress. How you doing? I'm the one with the ring how you doing by them. I have a cat. Tried to make a fancy said you oh fancy so you with the torture. Are we discussing torture today? Is it the sexing? I don't know what people are into it could be I guess, it's more of the medieval kind. Ooh, I'm sure. I'm sure. So could be sexy. I guess it is wasn't it does like an interested in ways, not a snow. Apparently. I'm I'm interested in a lot of things. I know you make I started to go into the whole spiel. And I like I'm going to do like the history of the medieval times, and blah, blah, blah, and the different torture, and in the fall of torture, and then it got really excited about the different types of torture. God, I love you this my build up a whole lot of ending to it. We're gonna talk about different types of medieval torture. Cool. Look if the final product is good enough. You don't need a lot of build up. What she said. Yes. So no foreplay today. Ladies and gentlemen, straight to talking about as she throws her. The different types of torture devices. I'm so happy. Now when you say medieval give our listeners timeframe as she picks. Her piece of paper backup. So the start of these devices and forward with basically during the middle ages saw like the dark ages the fifth century up until the fifteenth. All right. We're the main time that these are really used but again. We're gonna talk about how they tortured these bitches. So you have the different types of tortures that leave a visible Mark versus those that do not tortures that draw blood versus those that do not, okay. Apparently, the Catholic church was a big pusher of torturer, but they didn't want it to leave marks or draw blood. So a lot of these devices were created with no agent, basically passable that these people the ones that passed passed on natural causes. As a sneaky a lot of times torture is used to extract information versus tortures Hughes as an additional punishment to prolong death. So you had the tortures that were used just barely get them to like that edge to where they would confess or provide information, then he also had the tortures that would end in death. And this just prolong the agony, basically. Go to ready. I'm so ready. No foreplay needed diving on it. Use loop. Petco, so comfortable. So the first thing we're gonna talk about is the barrel pillory. Okay. So continuations. Do you need rage hint? No. I do you need a restroom pass. No, okay. I need to not have that image in my head. So a barrel would be fitted over the entire body with the head sticking out from a hole on the top. The person would be kept locked in the barrel and force fed which would force him to kneel in his own filth. And in some cases, be placed outside to suffer from extreme hot or cold, depending on oh, oh, I feel like that's a very like moderate torture back. Then I'm sorry. What for a short time? It was merely unpleasant. However after long enough this would allow or excuse me encourage insects to breed and feed on the victim's flesh. Sorry, I'm laughing. In Tiffany phase is she got from real excited to real on the defenceless individuals feces accumulated within the container attracting, even more insects, which would eat and breed within his or her exposed and often gangrene flesh. Do we have a barf bucket a handy for later? No k. We have more wind to dull the that works death. When it would eventually occurred was usually ruled as a combination of dehydration starvation and occasionally septic shock. You know, buffets. Sounds awful a less deathly version of this was called the drunkards cloak, whatever. Someone was punished for public intoxication or out Gaullism. They would be putting a barrel, but the feet would project from the bottom their head would be out top. And basically, they would just be forced to walk around the town basically, and like a sandwich board of the day saying they were drunk, and it was like drunk tank until they sobered up. They couldn't get out of the barrel. That's fantastic. I like as a portable drunk day. Yes. But their hands were inside of the barrel. See anything that were outward. They're feeding their heads. This is me met like imagining Tiffany like in one of these barrels and tripping down a hill. I actually spinner white again. I was picturing when I fell over the ditch inside the box costume, so. Yes, that's right. And I'm the gift to the world. That's funny. So our next mode of torture or discover liaisson. Okay. We're was called the scolds bridal or the gossips bridal. These were usually use to punish nagging slandering cursing which craft and criticism of Christianity. Okay. A bridal sometimes also referred to as a Brink's was a punishment device. Usually for women also used as a quote, unquote, mild form of torture. It was an iron muzzle or cage for the head with an iron plate projecting into the mouth and pressing down on the tongue. No, the plate was often studded with spikes that if the tongue or made in a lying calmly position, it would only inflict minimal pain. But if they tried to scream or fight or talk it would Pierce their tongues. I will say this medieval folks, were very creative. It's pretty impressive actually looking at some of these devices and thinking about how long ago that was and they thought to create these things and how they created them. People are messed up. He. Better way to scribe it. Once it was placed on the gossips, quote unquote, head they would be led through the town showing that they had done something wrong or scolded too often. And that's what he million them into repenting the richer, richer, riotous actions. They used to make some of these look like animal faeces variance might be shaped like animals head, for example, a cow for lazy bones. I don't give her fool or a hair for an east dropper and a pig for glutton. Oh, well, that's fun. The next is the pillory, and it was made of a wooden or metal framework erected on a post with holes for securing the head and hands similar to its nineteen. Okay. Not Cheah teen. I was picturing stocks. I got ahead of myself. So I got ahead of yourself. But chump she's got jokes. Ladies jerem. She's got jokes and cats. So similar to the lesser punishment called the stocks, the pillory consisted of hinged wooden boards that formed holes in the pillory the head and hands were incision inserted in these holes in stocks the feet were inserted. Oh, so what I typically think of as. Is actually cooler. Okay. Gob it. Now, we're going to be those obnoxious people going actually technically called a pillory your feet would be in the whole. I'm going to go back to our first episode incorrect. Ashley when she said that doctor Kevorkian should have been stocks to his court date. Okay. When you figure out time travel, correct tweet how the hell do you? Remember that? First of all. What I want to be. So pillories would be set up to hold petty criminals, outside of churches marketplaces, crossroads, basically. It was a form of public humiliation unless they were starved or stones wouldn't ultimately lead death. It was more just a form of public humiliation. Ridicule so stocks they were abused to partially mobilized its victims where they would be exposed in public places. Did you do? That's what I thought. So in with the stocks like we said their feet would be locked in place, and sometimes their hands could be locked in places. Well, basically, the only difference was doctors that there is another board underneath them where their feet would be locked in. So I guess pillory stock they're pretty much hand in hand. And nother form which is a opin me of us. What you've got. It's just let the rats take care of it. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. No. No. No, no, no, no. There are of course, many variations to this. The most popular was called a rat. Ribcage? Basically, they would lie them down onto aboard. They would fix an enclosure that went over their shoulders, basically a five point harness, but a cage the cage with rats. No. After long enough the rats would begin to get hungry. Based on what was a little boy. Oh god. Everything I'm glad we already ate everything tickles now. And if you got a little work stream of the situation, of course, because that one was just my would take rats that were previously deprived of food cut slits in the person's abdomen. No place, the rats in the house, and no no, no why. No, I'm glad you wasn't vended TV was people at other things has stuff to do. Now thinking stuff like this. Thanks. This is saved us from a lot of torture. I really wish I could just sit and watch how your mind works play out in front of me, especially the monkey with the tambourine. Oh, golly. So you also had your traditional just being torn limb Tiom up compared to the rats. That's almost preferrable but could be done on a man-made device. Such is what they call. It. The wreck where all of their pinta jobs were fixed and gradually stretched and stretched and stretched. So used horses kind of like the guy in the Salem witch trial. But he also had rocks on. Yeah. He had the wa or whatever it was where he gradually which is in my notes. Okay. We'll get there. Right. Radio. Oh, right. Yes. We'll get there. So they had a machine called the rack which would gradually stretch them. A lot of times was not used to the point of actually being torn. But more for the torture to get a confession. And where that wasn't available. They would just use horses. I feel like that would be here is my like quality brain going to work that would be really hard to make that like uniform like you can't. That's why it sucks. Yeah. Like, the the man made machine would be preferred because horses can't control how quickly. Well. No. Because what they would do is. They would rather be torn apart the thought, well, no they would put again tie each appendage, so wrist and ankles, I guess attach them to the horse then envir- gun next to the person who is tied which would cause the horses to freak out. And that wasn't usually for torture. That was usually for an end. That makes my joints hurt. I was listening to think it was stuff. You should know they covered this and the guys were talking about how the wreck for the first like couple clicks, probably for really good. Like, you're getting really good stretch popping everything. And then it would not feel so doesn't exactly what I think. Because there's a scene in James and the giant peach is there now. Yeah, why we're the Senate Pete is put on the rack by the pirates that live under the because that movie made sense. And there's at one point like you can hear his bop. His back popping goes. Oh that one felt good. Yeah. So I would imagine for the first couple of clicks, she'd make up at bed. Okay. This little bit. The search a lot of it Odom dying. I would imagine it was said just like that do that calmly and everything. Wasn't there seeing in Braveheart or somebody was tortured like that towards the end hanged drawn and quartered. I I haven't actually seen Braveheart. So I don't know it has been years since I've watched it. And the only thing that really stands out to me is the mooning scene. But I'm pretty sure let's just remember a bunch of attractive men in kilts. We wanna know how Ashley's in Tiffany's brain works for it. All yeah. And yes, but just throwing that out there. I think that happens if it doesn't correct me, I'm probably wrong. It's been years. But I'm pretty sure there's a scene at the end where someone gets stretched to this next torture. We'll she's still she hasn't moved on it. But we throw page it. Mom, dad. Don't fight. Story. And I am ready to move on to the extremes of heat and Colt. Oh, yeah. Like boiling. So Tiffany about time got it. Yeah. But usually it was with either water oil tar or molten lead. Would be allowed to be back. I don't think they wanted to be easy. Could I do you know how like when you stick your finger and a candle and yet it's led that would hurt a lot. Yeah. Except your flesh melting. So they would either be placed in a large cauldron or excuse me. The liquids would be placed a large cauldron in the person would either be placed in there and secured until the water liquid came to a boil shit. And again that was used more to extract information to give them a chance to where they couldn't stand it and give them a chance to confess or extract information or wouldn't use for death. The liquid be brought to a boil and the subject would be placed usually head first. Into the vets. Oh, no. Which again was used more for execution than confession. Bruce picture like going feet. I being lowered fi first of how excruciating that would be headfirst. I sounds worse yet. So the main like I said the main to they would be placed in the liquid and brought to deal or as close to a boil before they find the confessed or they would just be put in headfirst into a VAT of boiling do of the names of their choosing. Somebody else the torturers to hip. So the stream cold you talk about. Hold on them without burning. That's one of my least favorite ways to getting injured burning it sucks. It's really likes to be burnt. No. I wouldn't say nobody true. Do you wanna talk to someone? I'm good. There are kids that appreciation. I'm okay, I'm very happy with where my life is. I won't engine on this things that there's a difference. But a lot of these things as I was researching that's like a kink. Yeah. Into these things wonder if it's like an ancestral thing. Like, if you're Gregor familia was a torturer like he died that way as fun. Like, I mean, I don't know. I mean. Call me limit. No. I'm just curious. Also, that's best knitting to think about right? Burning burning it could be used either as a form of torture, or is capital capital, our capital punishment as a form of torture. The victim's feet could be held to a fire or trapped in metal boots that were gradually heated up. Strapped into an iron chair with the fire-lit underneath. Hot iron, Tiffany applied to their buddy just thinking this through. I look over you have a face on that should not be the phase that you have on at that point. I'm trying to think of this from all aspects. Okay. And like was mentioned earlier a lot of these things she's going to mention or have mentioned, please continue Ashley do kind of stem into kinks. There's I mean like I said, we don't you can you. Now, we use at no point not mentioning it because it's out there, and it's estimating. If it's safe if it's legal, and it's consensual you do you? Safe sane and consensual the Serie that are to be acknowledged. And you do my sanity could be questioned a lot. So I'm gonna say safe, legal and. Metal instruments that were used for torture would often also be heated such as pinchers pliers bull. Go into more detail on that in just a moment as I was saying. The burning liquids or molten liquids which kind of goes back to our previous subject could be used to dip their limbs. Or even have them poured down their throats. No. Should've seen me trying to finish up. My research at work. I could only imagine the basis I was making could not have been pleasant. And then of course, the number one burning torture killing method is being burned to the stake for convicted of which craft and was the tree was true the horror. And did you do so going back to the being burnt to stake or being burnt alive? Death would often actually come from the smoke inhalation or carbon monoxide poisoning before the flames would actually cause harm to the body to kill them. That sounds awful. If the fire was small, the convicted would burn for some time until death from heatstroke shock loss of blood or thermal decomposition, vital body parts victims sometimes and most times took over two hours to die from being burned to life. Good fire guys come on so to help with that situation. Okay. Oftentimes, the person would be attached to a noose which wants it burnt. They would Hank. So you know, they're thinking these things through and trying to do right by their people. They probably initiated some sort of corrective action plan, and they really. You know, what this would work this fix this hang them? So they would basically have a knot tied at a lower level. And once the not burnt than they would be released on the news like, yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, I don't condone any of this. But I would imagine that would make it quicker than two hours. So I guess there's snaps their maybe moving on. Have to keep these because you guys like to go back and ask questions I talked about twenty minutes ago. Then of course, you had your brandishing irons. And to get keeps. It's weird human branding or stigmatising stigmatizing stigmatizing. Maybe maybe that makes more sense is the process in which Mark usually symbol. Or no mental pattern is born into the born. God bless America is burned into the skin of a living person with the intention that the resulting scar makes it permanent so like kind of branding, but not branding, branding, branding irons. I didn't hear that the week. This is a cheap by using a very very hot or very very cold. No. I think I'd rather have the hot do you like being hot though, the cold the frostbite how all feel bad? I mean. Yeah. But I feel like because there's a point you just get so cold it feels like you're burning. I would if I had to choose. I would choose fire over ice. Have you never like grabbed for some reason like aluminum panel the freezer? No like the heat leisure hands so fast. If you'll like your fingertips are getting burned off you never did the salt and ice challenge. You know is not it's not good. I don't know that I would want either personally. And I'm glad that a lot of the stuff is radicchio at now. But I'm probably gonna go with hot. I am too. I'm gonna go with neither said it's not an option canopy. If you were approached by Brander, I don't know when you had to be tortured with one, which would you choose? Own the fire. I don't like this question. I mean. Okay. Fair branded in the dark ages. Didn't like it there. We that was the point. I think of either of you ever heard of the brazen bull. Yes. No. She's not going to like this. Oh, no. But you're warm. Yeah. You'd be real toasty here. It was invented in h int- Greece. And he did it was proposed as an ideal of painful means of execution to a tyrant who had rung him. The bowl was made completely of brass came hollow brass train. Furnished with the door on the side. K a victim would be placed inside of the bowl a fire would be lit underneath and they would be roasted to death. But that wasn't quite enough. That does aren't pleasant perilous. I think is the name of the guy who invented it sounds, right? He decided that he would use a system of tubes. That went through the bull's nose to make the victim screams sound like an infuriated bowl. Oh that is. Inventive. A lot of times the victims tone would be cut from their mouth before the fire was lit to make them sound even more like an angry bull. That is. Okay. It's awful. But going that extra mile. That's should not have been followed with. But. But okay, I'm surrounded by minions. Right. Touch base since we did kind of mention cold, but exposure, people would be placed in cages neither extreme hot or cold left today with rats sometimes he comes no big deal on that one. So going towards the more physical damage side of things you have the instep Borer. This was a German instrument that on the outside resembled an iron boot. It was hinged to allow the insertion and removal bare feet a crank which concealed a long thick serrated iron blame. Why are you laughing so much? It would protrude to inflict maximum damage and promote liberal blood flow, turning the crank slowly advanced the blade into the boot punching a hole through the center of the instinct. That's that's crazy. Generally the result. Wound was so large that it was common for the prisoner or person to die of tuxedo soon after paying I just. Yeah. That like I'm sitting here rubbing my. Yeah. The chair of torture, which is basically a chair that was just covered in legal spikes, how all over the number of spikes, but range from five hundred to fifteen hundred and the victim would be tied down to the chair and wait would be gradually out cat it to them to cause the spikes to in pale. I mean, okay. Can I make a comment on this one? So when you sit down on it at I probably not gonna be that bad, adding the weight yet it's going to start to suck. But I feel like that out of all of these. So far would be like the boast, maybe not the most. Let me just make sure I'm not talking like just the little like embellishments Mike's that people have on sweaters. Yeah. This is like spikes that would pin it. It's like an iron maiden chair bed of nails. Not even nails. They were like extremely sharp. See I'm spikes, I'm passionately in pale your vital organs. I'm picturing nails. So that's probably why like the actual spikes, even like nails would not be good. If they actually impaled your body. I mean, but basically this is basically like a early version of the iron maiden iron. Maiden was like a sarcophagus that you got locked into like in Matilda. Yes, effort, the spikes would gradually in pale in like they had spikes that were specifically said to be I level growing level and. I mean, this would visit bother me that much apparently the Catholic church had one that was shaped like the Queen Mary and wanted enclosed her arms EPA around you arms were covered in spikes, really little wicked. Look if you're going to be sick and twisted, go all out. I'm so excited. We'll be sacrilegious exactly. It's my wife motto except. Just keep digging Tiffany just keep going do. So next we have in payment. Oh, yeah. It was a method of torture and execution in which a person would be pierced with the long stake. Penetration would be through the sides through the rectum and through the mouth it would lead to slow painful death. You don't say me and Tiffany both like puckered up though, one of multiple ins oft often. The victim was hoisted into the air after partial impalement, no and gravity and the victims own struggles would cause him to slide back down the poll you loving so much. Death could end generally did take many many days. Oh. Yeah. Hilarious. Isn't it giggles? This was the preferred method just as little side note of Ladimir, the third also known as Dracula. Ooh. Ooh. Which a lot of people believe plays into the whole wouldn't steak. Okay. Because that's not where you're going with that like hand, wishing I Jack off hand motion. So we already talked about the iron maiden, which I think a lot of people already similar with. I wasn't supposed to drop you. Sorry. So back to similar with the boot. We also had the Spanish boot which was an iron casing for the legs and feet. Okay. Wedges would be driven between the casing and the victim's flesh overtime. This was also known as the shin crusher. That just kind of gives you a little detail. Oh, I feel like death when I Nick on a coffee table other. Variation squeeze the calf between two curved iron plates, which was studded with spikes teeth and knobs to fracture, the tibia and fibula how how. How they're twisting. Why do you sound so impressed? The also had the foot presser the foot screw which would gradually consisted of two horizontal plates, which would gradually be tightened fan to the foot to basically to Lhasa rate the flesh and crush the bones in the foot which coming from a person who's broken off. I've metatarsal Zain her foot heart. A lot. There was a version that not only had the crank mechanism to compress the plates, but does the plates compressed a drill bit. No, no, no. Sorry. Okay. Can I just like make a side note on that one comes to torture? The thought of you know, the game where it's like would you rather do this? Or would you rather do that? There was one though, it's like would you rather have somebody take pliers in peel off your fingernails? Or would you rather have a boot lined with nails? And when you kick a wall. Do they go under your toenails? I wanna barf at both thoughts. And that's what that reminded me. I don't prevent myself from kicking a wall you say that. But how many times have you accidentally skipped a tow how many done? Done after day for so long. I've lost because I've kicked stupid things. So can't prevent yourself from kicking thing. What's your points? I'm uncomfortable. More about Negra torture next door. Welcome to the wheel of torture. Get to the wheel in a moment. Okay. So next we had a Spanish form of torture, which was the tab us. It was specifically used to crush toes. Oh, that's rude. The prisoner would be bound face up to Iraq in stretched into the tension and his bare feet held his toes tense and stiffly pointed. To wouldn't small wooden tablets featuring five narrow holes through which the toes were forced and immobilized before asking each question towards the prisoner. The torturer would position a sharp wedge of hardwood over the tip of one of the prisoners tone. No, no, no, no, no. If they found the answer unsatisfactory, the tortures sharply the torture sharply. Struck the wedge with a heavy mallet driving the wedge head on into the toast. So you get ten questions is what you're saying. They would start from the smallest to the largest. On the same line. You also had your thumbscrews or Pilly winks. What are these noises you're making she's still a comfortable love it? Tell me more about these. It was an instrument which was first used in media year up. It's a simple vice simple NBD like vice face sometimes. But yeah, script sometimes with protruding studs on the interior surfaces the victims thumbs or fingers could be placed in the vice and slowly crushed. They could also be applied to the big toe. In case, you were curious if they didn't have to believe tab, Tableau tap, Leila. About was to- one last one. We talked about the tab. Leila where they squish the toes into the holes and squish them today. Already blocked that out. Okay. Along the lines of the thumbscrews also create larger heavier devices with the same designs that could be applied to crush knees. And elbows. That doesn't sound pleasant. No. But I feel like I'm more bothered by the toes and fingers and the news too for some reason those really small appendages like just think about it. Okay. If you take, and I think this was on another one on the podcasts that I listen to if you just take your finger, and like squeeze it just above the quick, you know, how we always just do that where you squeeze the out of your finger. And then you'd let it go and it hurts. Yes. You haven't done that where you like that down near nail. Just imagine some. Oh, yeah. So Tiffany were talking about the d- nailing devices is who basically the forcible extraction of fingernails toenails or both. Of course, as you do everything hurts if you're gonna do one why not the other and its simplest form. The torture would be conducted by constraining the prisoner on a tabletop and using metal forces for sips or pliers. Which as we remember from previous torture methods could be heated to be red hot all that would be. Well, I've been affiliate that would may be. I wasn't that rationalized the torture devices just thinking like it would be used to grasp each nail intern and tear it from the fingers or toast. A cooler variant used medieval Spain, introduced sharp wedge of wood or metal which could be driven between the flesh. And each nail a splinter that got Lucile huge splinter. Like, why are you concerned about this peeling your nails off with a wedge of weird nail gets peeled off? Yes that sucks, but you're left with this giant splinter? So after like, you get past that you've got this nasty gross splinter that's going to get infected, and you're gonna gain greed, and then you're gonna die. It's just a awful thing. Go with the medal wedge. Two. Your logic to defined this. My brain goes to a dark place to try and adjust. A, hey. The next. No, more one you need. I really every. Just a little just lucid conduct something to give your mouth something else to do. Well, that's why need her. So next we have the Judas cradle what the Judas cradle. What it was a tall stool like device with a metal or wooden pyramid on top. No, no. I heard of this. No, the victim would be stripped bound with ropes and suspended above the device. Nope. They would be lowered usually very slowly onto the device making the pyramid. Inter some sort of cavity down there. The amount of pain inflicted could be changed in several ways. The victim could be rocked. They could be dropped repeatedly onto the vice one leg could be lifted. Oil would be spread on the pyramid or brass weights could be hung from their likes. And you know, that it in cleaned that inbetween uses because that's what I would be concerned about infection. Yes, we have to move onto the next one before I give my thoughts on this sometimes to prolong the torture. The victim would be suspended above the device overnight and the torture would continue the next morning. The device was rarely if ever cleaned. Victims did not die from the device. They almost always died from infection and the following days. Torture with the cradle could last several hours to several days. No, thank you this one in specifically if not used to kill the person if a person blacked out from pain or fainted, or whatever they would suspend them, but it until they woke up and then lower them back down. That's cruel. Can I just make a quick side note? Oh, no, no. I I assume they're going to people who listen to this who think that I'm being sensitive. I using humor is way to cope with how uncomfortable. I am. And I coached a lot with that one. So next we have the pair of anger the pair of anguish. Yes is also been can refer to as the pair of confession and the pope's pear. And after Tiffany's reaction them real hesitant to talk about this one. For. Because people also referred to as the oral payer. The vaginal pair the anal pair or just the pair a pear shape instrument consisting of four leaves that slowly separated from each other. Oh, as the torture turned the screw at the top. I'm picturing the tools that the gynocologist used. An early age specula-. It was used during the middle ages as a way to torture. Women who conducted a miscarriage lied or cheated lied to or cheated on their husbands and homosexuals. Okay. That's real. Yeah. There's my least favorite one. I can't know basically, it'd be inserted into the orifice, and it would slowly turned to gradually open if rarely calls death. But it could cause disfiguration. That's that. Oh, shoot this place. Missing actually looked back and forth between her notes on the floor in her hand. This was supposed to go back with pale -ment, but they use a method called the peak at which is basically a tall wooden spike would replace into the ground and instead of them actually, impaling it. They would have the person stand on the top of the spike barefooted. Slide if they tried to shift to their weight or anything it was positioned. So they would fall onto the spike. I feel like oh, and they would be so they'd be hung. Sorry. I forgot this part. They would be hung from a tree by one them. Just one just a thumb how so they'd have their hand up with their thumb suspended. They'd be trying to balance on the spike with one bare foot. Whenever they tried to shift their weight or anything or let go thinking that. There would hold it would rip their shoulder out of place. They'd fall down on this. Oh, that's sick. Not that. No, no remarks about that. One. So of course, we had the rack which we've already touched bases on. And then also tarring and feathering. Yeah, we're familiar with that one. So it's a physical punishment usually didn't end in death. So it would usually be that would be more of like people against a person, and it would be more like a attack say it'd be stripped generally from his waist up. Tar would report or painted on the person while he was mobilized and the victim would either have feathers thrown or he'd be thrown on them or they would be rolled around in a pile of feathers. And some manure often the victim was paraded around town on Carter on a rail. And sometimes their head would be shaving tarred in feathers often times a match would we held to the feathers to light them. Oh, no. I want to go back to like, the no the humiliation. Oh, I thought you might you wanted to go back to these time. Nobody like the radon girl's best friend is concerned that no I wanna go back to the humiliation. Tortures? Do you realize that of Tiffany your? I went back in these days. How quickly we would have one of these done to God. Already be dead. Yeah. Right. We would just be punched by some angry man through wall, and then tortured for retaliate into a torture chamber. Yes. And I'd have specific tortures and they'd be like, nobody you're a husky. You get the pair. So we have the ducking school school school ducking stool ducking was a form of punishment. That was mainly reserved for supposed witches. The victim was tied to a chair elevated by ropes Bova. Ponder river. She was lowered into the water until completely submerged the chair would could be raised in the victims about the pass out giving the victim of chance to confess, basically. This was does she flew? She's a witch if not sorry. Yeah. So this one was the only one that I've seen, and I'm sure all of these have been used in recent days on Horton really is that Garrett. I don't know what that is. It's a hand held weapon. Most often it is like a chain or rope or scarf or fishing line. Basically, something thin and malleable attached to either two handles or two pieces of wood. So it can be wrapped around the person's neck and twisted. Again, could be used as to force confessions. They gradually increased pressure or ultimately be used for beheading fabulous. I mean, not. Great love it. And then you have the pin forte. When Tiffany was bringing back to us, which weight is just gradually added onto the chest. You can hear all about that. In our Salem witch trials position episode number something before this. Wait, wait nineteen. Yeah. Episode nineteen. How did you do go sexless twenty? And it was the one before that episode eighteen math and history. See I'm like, really pretty. You're so sweet yourself. So you had the wheel which is also known as the breaking wheel where the Catholic. Due to dead. I did at that. At that win that year when the Jerry. The wheel was a torturous device used in the middle ages and modern times for execution by wording something. Toga link to death by what cuddling to see you D E N G and bingo was his name. Precisely. Basically, they would be placed on a large cart like wheel with her limb stretched out along the spokes and over two sturdy wooden beams they would slowly revolve and through the openings between the spokes executioners would reach soon hit the victim with an iron hammer. Which would gradually break various bones joints. Oh in the buddy. That's not good. I don't know why we're always apprised at these end the way they do. But like it's just crazy to me how they came up with these things again TV y'all so other would be coffin torture where the victim would be placed in a cage just big enough to accommodate their body, but not large enough to allow for movement. This had also be used in place with the rats, and for public humiliation, the victims that also be hung in the streets and left you die of starvation thirst or exposure, they would often be hoisted high enough and unaccessible to prevent help or rescue. That's awful the hair heretics fort was a form of sleep deprivation. Oh, no. It was basically a byproduct forks had two prongs very sharp prongs on the top into prongs on the bottom. It was placed on a job. No, it would be placed on basically a choker. Uh-huh. And placed with two prongs under the Chen. No prongs on the chess is no. And basically if you put your head down. Oh, no. So the person could not fall asleep person could not move cough. Sneeze. Make any sudden movements or Pierce their through in chest. Oh, honey. Oh, I sneeze. A lot. Howler g season salary. Damn you better figure out how to sneeze upwards. No. I do that downwards like we hope bodies nieces. I know Rebecca mentioned earlier, but Tiffany are you familiar with what hanging drawing and quartering us hanging is. I'd imagine quartering is where you chop something up in drawing, drew I'll like one of your French girls precisely. So yes, yes, I do so in one particular trial. The victim was drug petanque four horses to his place of execution where great fire was lit. He was stripped naked and biblical verses denouncing his sins were written on his skin. He was in hung, but cut down before he could choke to death. He was then tied to a ladder in full view of the crowd had as genital sliced off and burnt his entrails slowly pulled out and finally his heart cut out and thrown into a fire. Oh my God. Finally, his corpses. Beheaded his body was cut into four pieces in his head was mounted on the gates. Oh my God. No. I just everything on me is like clinched. Usually, it would read doesn't them hanging fire and quartering. So your body we cut into a minimal of four action. Just plus it. The face would be better. If we talked about the intestinal crank. No, yes. Couldn't be any worse crank. It involves was where you made an incision in the indomitable area and attached the upper part of the intestine to crank the crank could be rotated to extract to the intelligence and two from the gastrointestinal cavity of still conscious person. No now, come was always death. But never immediately. And lastly, my favorite oh. But the. Victim would be hung upside down left there for an extended mount of time to allow most of the blood to rush to the lower part of the body. None of them alive longer than starting at the groin. They would gradually slowly start sawing back and forth. The victim would remain conscious until the Saul severed the major blood vessels in the abdomen most times even longer. Oh because all of the bullet is in their bottom part of their body, which is why I stayed conscious. They would be sawed basically from their growing at least their belly button. Ashley for any major veins would be would be caused. Oh. Inflicted. They they after being late, and that's not all of them. I just. There's so many more methods believe it or not. Oh my God. Yeah. Well, next time. I stepped my toe I won't complain as much I will still complain. But not asthma because at least you don't have a boot with a nail in it. Yes, or song coming up or your foot? I. Why did you do this to us thought? It was it is fascinating. And I am actually intrigued by one thing. That was well, I'm intrigued by a lot of it. But I am intrigued by one thing that actually mentioned and you cut us off a lot. But I'm going to bring it back up. I think it's kind of interesting how a lot of these things kind of developed into kinks not necessarily like a tune taly extremes. But right, and I also there's a lot of different variations that were used in different parts of the country at the same times. Oh, I thought it was really crazy to like how did they travel back and forth or did it just so happen? Like the stool that had the pyramid on top. Sometimes people would just take a piece of wood and turn it on its side. So that the F was and put weights on the person's feet. So that they were just, you know, variations be I notice a lot as I was reading through. I'm like, this is a lot of people's like your. Them as I say, so maybe for like back, then how different parts of the country. Did it different ways? Maybe it was one thing. We're like you traveling. And you saw this one thing you mentioned it when you get back, home and. Things. So they made their own various just depending on what they had available in the places. But yeah, how cool will. That's fascinating. Hell isn't the FBI summating? So there's a little bit of mini will torture for all for the day. Thank you wanna go home and hug, my cat. Just don't get kidnapped and tortured. Don't do that. I was not the plan. Good. I mean, I don't think that's over the plan. So be village village. Flit legit. Vigilant. One way over. Well, we're member. At least we don't live in the dark ages where you could be sold in half through your visine still couldn't beat or genitalia. If you have any questionable topics. Like us to discuss you can share them with us on any of her social media's links can be found on our website the latest range dot com or you can Email them to us at ladies estrange at g mail dot com. Don't forget to subscribe rate review. And if you think we're doing a great job and want to support the show you can find us on patriots. And before Rebecca cuts me off. Yeah. All that stuff gets still be done today in theory. So also on patriotic. I don't remember what the level is right now because we've had two bottles of wine between the three of us, but there's a certain level where you can donate where you can pick a topic. 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Friday Q&A: Practical Prepping, Medicaid for Early Retirees, New Tow Rig, HOA woes, etc.

Radical Personal Finance

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Friday Q&A: Practical Prepping, Medicaid for Early Retirees, New Tow Rig, HOA woes, etc.

"The radical personal finances show dedicated providing you with the knowledge skills insight and encouragement. You need live a rich and life. Now while building a plan for financial freedom and ten years or less today is Friday August twenty, one, twenty, twenty, and today we have live Q in a live. And just like last week, I still can't find music. I've been in the middle of computer shuffle and I P-. Remiss placed one of the more important files. So we'll see if we can get that back by next week, but we'll get started every Friday that I can arrange the the technology to a live show live QNA show works just like call in Talk Radio where I've got a phone number with a bunch of. Calls and I opened it up and we chat about anything on your mind. If you'd like to join me on next week's call the way that you gain access to this show on patriotic patriot dot com slash radical personal finance just search for radical personal finance Patriot and you will find me Patriot dot com slash radical personal finance we begin with Peter in New York Peter Welcome to the show. How can I serve you today Sir Joshua Adhami intro song for, but only know how to do it. Here we go. Problem I've got a copy of the file, but it's It's got dubbing over it. I've spoken over and I cannot find the original and swapping computers around and It's amateur our guest today. Let's see if we can do better with the financial planning they became with abusive. So how can I serve you? Sir, seriously So I am going to be a new homeowner coming up soon and I was just curious about pointers. You might have for some basic kind of preparation things too crazy but things like you know redundancy for power and stuff like that. Just just some sort of basic stuff that you thought would get the average person off the ground not not the crazy Kim well had none of the you know hope it all works out but just kind of the median homeowner, sir. Yeah that's a great topic So I I want always emphasize as I always tried to do whenever I discuss preparedness that the best preparedness is usually financial and so with your home purchase the first thing to make sure. That, you're not buying too much house that you are not. That you're not putting yourself in a situation where you're going to be strapped for cash because that's where things become really really difficult Especially when you buy a house, there's so many expenses associated with it that a lot of times people go too far they they they purchased too much too much house and when they do that, they find themselves house rich. Poor I guess is how we say that they don't have any money left, and if you have money, you can solve the vast majority of problems, and so I always begin with finances because finance is really are the best tools. If, you look at people who face difficult problems. If they had money vast majority of the times, money can solve. Even in an actual emergency, even if there's a bad snowstorm or hurricane comes right through your town. Well, if you have money, you can usually solve your problems and so you WanNa have money and then what I emphasize as part of having money not only should you have money in the bank, but you should have access to multiple forms of money and so when I teach preparedness I labor on this so simple things like having multiple credit cards with high credit limits available to you and stashing those credit cards and multiple places. So if you buy a house, the first thing that you do is you put a spare credit card in the medicine cabinet or put a spare credit. Card tape it under the drawer of your desk something like that. So you can always always have access to a credit card which gives you spending power. Then of course, having physical currency is really really valuable and so I encourage people as long as you live in a in a situation where you don't have roommates that might steal from you or if you can put in place the the protect your cash you WanNa, make sure you WanNa make sure that you stockpile some physical currency in a place that's accessible to you needs to be safe, but it needs to be accessible to us for most of us that would be our home and so you can get creative with how you. How you hide and how you secure that money. But if you do that, you've done the majority of the preparations that the vast majority of people would ever need when you get into preparations. Many people have this the the go very far overboard in their thinking because they just think well, I've got to be a hundred percent on me when in reality people face emergencies, day. And you know all the time and usually if you've got money, then that solves the second most practical thing is related to money is insurance making sure that you're properly insured and so in order to do that, you go through the thinking process of buying a house that's going to be easily insured not buying a house in a flood plain, for example, choosing a house. It's well built. All of that stuff is the cornerstone, the foundation of preparedness. It's the practical preparedness that really makes sense. Now, most people don't think of that as preparedness but what I've always thought to do is bring that together and demonstrate that the stuff that you read about in money magazine the stuff that you you hear on personal finance podcast is preparedness at its core. It is preparedness is just preparedness in the financial realm. So now let's say that you move on to to physical preparedness and you acknowledge the fact that sometimes money doesn't work most of the time money does work, but sometimes money doesn't work. So what do you want to do to be prepared if money doesn't work the first and you can approach this in a number of different? Methods of analysis, you can approach this from a method of analysis of what's most likely to happen to what's least likely to happen, and so if for example, we use that what's the most likely problem that you would face in your house? Well, knows likely problem is that you lose power that would be the thing that most of us experience fairly routinely most of the time if you lose power, it's because somebody. Drove into a power pole you lose power because there was an ice storm, there was a hurricane, but you wanna think about that because very rarely do ever go hungry, right you already have some food in your house very rarely. Do you run out of water very rarely do you need to shoot somebody but pretty frequently you're going to run out of power and so I think. That's a good method to to do analysis on I'll come back to prepare electrical preparedness in just a moment. Another method of analysis that you could use is what has the most severe consequences in the preparedness world people often talk about this and what they call the rule of threes it's not perfect, but it's a useful rule and the basic ideas this you can go about three seconds without. You can live for about three seconds in unsafe environment. If for example, you're facing somebody who who's got a gun pointed at your chest, some kind of physical danger like that. Or if you're engaging in some kind of physical physically dangerous thing, maybe you buy a house and you decide you're going to clear some trees. Next thing you know you're you're you're. chainsaw blade went through your from moral artery got about three. You know a little bit more than three seconds a little bit of hyperbole with three seconds, but you can't live very long in that kind of situation. So physical safety and security is usually the most acute need, but it's often the least likely need the thing that is least likely to impact you. Know, I've never been in a fight. I've never had somebody pointed a gun at me. I've never had a major serious accident but of course, it is very the the risk of that happening is very severe if if it does happen and so people will talk about you know you can go three seconds without security. They'll say you can go for about three minutes without air. That's pretty true. So if there's some kind of risk that that results in your not having air supply, maybe there's a fire in your home and you don't have the ability to breathe. That's a serious serious problem and you've. Got To rectify that problem very very quickly three minutes without thirty minutes of exposure. Sometimes if you're exposed to the elements were usually especially if this is excessively cold, then that can be evade major problems. So thirty minutes or three hours of exposure depending on which three want to use. Then you move on to things like water. So you can live for three days without water is what is the the saying usually goes it's actually longer depending on where you start and what you're doing and everything, but it's a good good good thing to think about three days without water thirty days without food. You could go a little bit longer, but you WanNa have some food, and then you can go on from there to to other things and so we're always dealing with this this this continuum of things that are likely to happen versus things that are not likely to happen but things that have very severe. Consequences versus things that have less severe consequences. So what I would start with are the things that are the most practical in the house. So for example. Day One you make sure that you have smoke detectors throughout the house. Now by current building code, where most of us live that's probably already done. But if not, you go through your house and you say, do I have good smoke detectors and so you the first weekend in the house, you may need to run out and buy some smoke detectors install some smoke detectors carbon monoxide detector. is going. To be important. In making sure that you have a working carbon monoxide detector, you think about the things associated with the House that could be an acute risk to your physical safety. Security and carries a burglar whatever that is important but it's unlikely but things like a home fire really really important and so does your home have a fire extinguisher? Do you have multiple fire extinguishers? Do you have You know something that you would like to use a for example what I do in my? I have big have a big fire extinguisher but I keep in my kitchen those little itty bitty fire extinguishers about the size of a can of bug spray and my basic idea is I. WanNa to I want the use of a fire extinguisher to be something that's easy and where I'm not worried about blowing some kind of massive discharge of foam all over the kitchen cabinet. So if there's a fire I won a couple of one of those little. Tiny little things that you buy keep one of those you know handy ready to go. So I can just put out a little firefight needed one or you might grab a fire blanket. If you think the most likely form of fire something like a grease fire you don't generally wanna be spewing stuff. Add agrees fire especially not water and so if you pick up a fire blanket and store that in your kitchen and you just know that if I ever have a grease fire, this is my fire blanket that I have. I think it's a really good idea to get some hoods and put those in your house, and so you should make sure that by your bed, you have a little fire kit. If you wake up in the night and you recognize that the smoke detectors are going often their smoke in your house, do you have one of those little portable smoke hoods that you can just put over your your your head that will give you a few minutes. Of Oxygen and debris. So you can avoid inhalation the most frequent cause of of of injury and death in a fire is not physically being burned but as actually smoke inhalation at least that's my understanding as non firemen and so do you have that you have an escape route out of the house. So if it's a two story house making sure that there are some escape ladders in the house, I think that's is is well worth doing. Then, you want to think about other risks that you might face. So if you live in a place where you're prone to tornadoes, do you have a shelter plan for a Tornado Generally most people aren't GonNa Day One, go and install a tornado shelter though I don't think that's stupid. But do you have you chosen the closet that you would retreat to have you? Put in place the plan, and so you need to make sure you buy a weather radio. So you WANNA get a weather alert radio and make sure that you have one of them in your bedroom so that if there is a severe. Weather Event that you're awakened in the night by your weather radio, and that gives you time to prepare to move your family into your safe room. Do you have you gone ahead and stock to your safe room with some? Light maybe some bottles of water a couple of stacks just to you know if you have children just to give them something to munch on maybe an activity to do. Some pillows if you're if you're going to be in the basement, you have a place to sleep if it's a long stormy night and you live in Oklahoma. Do you have an ability to just say we're GONNA set up some beds down here and it's a stormy night and there there's the weather alerts are going off and let's just go down here and sleep for a couple of hours or place to to put the children there or the dogs. Do you have something for the dog to to keep the dog occupied at Sarah and so those kinds of of events, those kinds of dangers. Are All the stuff that you already know about and they're the most likely things to happen, and so you think about again, my the to that that the three I guess that are really concerning because they can happen. So fast is a house fire. Also, a tornado, and then another thing would be an earthquake and so you have some kind of earthquake plan now. Most of the United States is not prone to earthquakes, but it is an important. It is important thing to think about earthquake planning is a little bit bigger It requires more work than those other. So I hesitate to put that on someone right away, but you can think about that and so if you live in an area and you're concerned about preparedness, think about Your Wall fasteners and purchase wall fasteners that are rated for earthquakes to that, you don't have glass mirrors coming off the wall It's a simple thing to do, but you can do it especially when you're first moving into the house. Those are the things that are the light L- most likely to happen, and those are the things that happened quickly. There are the for example, if you live where there's hurricane danger, well, then you might want to go ahead and put in some shutters. It's really nice to be to have that stuff done when you're not trying to get it last minute, you're not rushing down the home depot to buy. Plywood Nice to go ahead and just have that put in in the first place. but those are your most those are the most acute needs that can affect you. In the home and so you want to think about preparing your structure for those needs If you do live in a place where you're prone to to tornadoes, I think a tornado shelter is a very wise investment There are many options available You can purchase an in the ground option with is certainly nice or you can purchase an above ground option, which is certainly nice. There there is there are benefits and disadvantages to each. Of course, there is this idea that the only kind of successful tornado. Shelter is an in ground tornado shelter from my research and the the college laboratories who have tested that I do not believe that is true. A properly rated tornado shelter and above ground tornado shelter that's properly rated this properly secured to the foundation I would be happy to go into that. Every bit is one that's under the ground, and in fact, there are some families for whom the in the ground tornado shelter would be a liability. Maybe have an elderly parent in the home somebody who's not able to easily. Down a set of stairs into an in the ground tornado shelter. In that case, you need to think about that and go ahead and install an above the ground tornado shelter. There's some some very nice units that are small that can be tucked into the corner for garage. And they don't cost very much. But if you're in a place where that kind of risk is you're prone to that a few thousand dollars invested in the installation of a tornado shelter would be a very wise investment and doing it right at the beginning right when you're moving in will help you to to to protect your home. Now, you can also build a safe room in the house are you can do a diy safe room if you want to build it yourself there are various materials available for their. I'd recommend the best resource on that if you interested in building some kind of safe room. In your home that is useful in you know in case of Tornado etc would be Jill scouse book called high-security shelter. In that book, he lays out how an ordinary family can build their own personal safe room in their home and he built. He advocates the construction of a safe room that is useful for weather hazards also for nuclear fallout. Also for He makes them bullet teach you how to make them bulletproof. So you can turn a large closet into your house into a bulletproof safe from So the question is just how much I don't know where we're in that range the tin foil hat comes in. So you have to decide at what point in time is that too much for you but there are plenty of options out there. Now. Those that deals with most of the acute risks those things that happened fast and I think that that's where you should start because if you've got time then most of the other options you can figure it out. Right let's say that you ran out of water today. Power went down the water failed and you had to figure that out. If you got time, you've got a few days to find water. You'll be able to come up with water you can get water from your neighbors. You can drain your water heater like there are options. But I do still think additional levels of preparedness with things like water in food. Are Very, wise let's start with electrical preparedness. oftentimes, the results of electrical preparedness or not catastrophic. But since that's the most likely thing that you're going to be facing I think it's worth worth considering. So I see electrical preparedness having multiple layers. The first thing is just making sure that you have a flashlight. If you wake up in the middle of the night you know the thing that gets that gets us. We know there's a power failure is We put a white noise machine on the children's room and when the white noise goes off then up. Okay. White noise off that means the powers off. So you wake up in the middle of the night houses pitch dark it's pitch dark outside. Do you have a source? Of Light, close to hand and so putting a flashlight, making sure that you have a flashlight with charged batteries is going to be ready to go in your nightstand or or around your house is very, very simple what I advocate when I teach parents I, I've come to the point where I wear a flashlight all the time I. Didn't use to use my cell phone like most of us did then I got a little flashlight and I just I wear twenty four hours a day because I know I always have a flashlight on me and so that that may be that's a very simple thing but it's insanely useful making sure that okay if the power does go out. Do we have the ability to get some other lights? So what I do is I have some some inexpensive lanterns I keep some inexpensive lanterns throughout the house and places that I know where they are put a little bit of glow in the dark or bright tape on them so that if the power goes out and I want to go and find and I'm just talking about battery operated led lanterns if the. Power goes out and I need to find that. Lantern can I find it and so you can just put a little bit of reflective tape on it. Put It on a shelf put in a closet somewhere that you'll know to go and look for it. Some people create a little blackout kit they put a little box, little little tupperware box or a little bag or something, and they put some lanterns in. That some flashlights, etc I think that's fine and so you might want to create a little blackout kit if the power goes out, what do we need that situation now if you're in a cold climate as you would be from New York, your first concern is going to be if the power goes out, what's my plan for heating and so think through what would be my plan most of the time right you. Just knuckle down put another blanket on the bed something like that. But in a severe situation, if you're facing the multiday multiday ice storm and it's very, very cold, what's your plan for that and so you might have a backup source of heating with of course, would be strongly recommend it depending on what the House has or the house doesn't have. You can do different things. Backup kerosene heater is never stupid Maybe, you might install a woodstove or have a fireplace insert just have a supply of fireplace fire wood for the fireplace that you already have. So think through how would I stay warm perhaps in a worst case scenario, you would stay warm by. Either, putting up a tent in your living room or creating attent sealing off the exterior rooms and then making a little warm room in the middle of the house. But think through if the power went out, how would I keep my family warm in hot climates? The risk is the opposite and so how do I keep my? Cool if the power goes out and you know the best option there of course, it's going to be a fan of some kind of maybe having a battery operated fan having a battery backup system from which you can run a fan. It makes all the difference in the world if you can lie down in your bed and have a fan pointed. At you versus no fan pointed out you in most of us live in houses where if the power goes out there designed to function with an HVAC system. So if the power goes out, they quickly become very, very uncomfortable. So considering what would we do in that situation if the power went out, stay warm and to stay into stay cool as appropriate. Beyond that, you can think about what would we do to live our life? So how would we get water If you have a well, you are going to need some kind of power source to be able to get water from your well. So there's where generator comes in I. Think a generator is a very wise. Very, wise investment that most homeowners should have a generator you can range, of course from the simple and easy to the complex and expensive. So simple and easy would just be I I. Recommend People Start with an inverted on their for their car. So you go and pick up thousand one invert or you know fifteen hundred watt converter, and that gives you the ability to park your car in the driveway you pop the hood turn the. Car On plop the inverted cables onto your battery, and now that you should be able to run your refrigerator. So your food doesn't spoil with the car on, you can run your refrigerator with the car off you can run extension cord inside plug in some lamps and a lamp in the room or plug in a fan, and you can run a fan on you overnight. So an inverted a really good solution a generator is awesome. And again, you can go from cheap backup to all the way to hardcore installed whole whole whole house generator with a real giant propane tank. What I recommend is look to see what you have and then see what would be convenient for you. So if I'm consulting with somebody new look out in the backyard and they've got a know a thousand gallon propane tank there that runs their heater will. Go install a propane generator that even if it's a portable propane generator totally fine and so get yourself a generator to run on propane. Now, you've got a giant tank there and you can provide electricity for yourself and so think through what you would do and try to figure out what makes sense. I think for most people, the sweet spot is going to be one of the suitcase inverted generators just because they're so convenient they're not obnoxious expensive unite if you're going to be thousand but they're they're more than double the cost of a non inverted generator but they're so quiet and they're so efficient and they're just they're just nice that it's not a big deal to grab one of them out I. Have a Honda Two thousand, one of the U. Two thousand is which is great and so if the power. Goes out and I find sometimes okay. The power went out and I got up and I wanted to start the electric kettle to make my coffee. But the power is out, grabbed a little suitcase generator, stick it in the Carport, plug my coffee pot into it generated needed to be exercise anyway. So few minutes later, I got my hot pot of hot water to pour my French press for my morning coffee and I'm done and so something like that. It's so convenient to have a little two thousand watt generator. Your closet that I think for many people that would be an ideal solution You'll be able to run your refrigerator or your freezer on that, which is probably the most important thing for most of us If you've got a thousand dollars worth of meat in your freezer, you really would hate to have that go bad on you because you didn't kick care of it and so with little generator like that you. Just, plug it in run it for an hour in the morning. Cool. The freezer down run it for an hour at night cooler freezer down and you keep lid shut all the meat will be fine and won't fall out that little. January. It'll be really useful if you're running a well pumping Desai's more appropriately and then of course, if you're willing to invest the money and you live in a place where you know let's Say you live in a climate where power outages are frequent during the wintertime. Well, you cannot beat just having an installed whole house generator that will just kick on automatically. That's the ultimate in in lifestyle planning your big constraint. There is, of course, fuel storage. I think most people who have invested in a large whole house generator have often overestimate underestimate how useful that is because you'll quickly run out of fuel and so I. I encourage people to think about how that could be extended. What if you did face and extended power outage it's unlikely but as possible and so if you're interested in preparing for more extended out power outage, you need either stockpile more food or create a more efficient plan for using it I keep a battery backup system on my house and I find that that works really well just have a couple of deep cycle batteries. keep a battery charger, plug them in, and then if the power goes out, grab one of my deep cycle batteries clamped converter on it, I can run lights, I can run you know I can charge phones. I can run a TV or radio or whatever you've got, and that will will square thing to way moving quickly I won't cover everything after all I have a ten hour class on this but water and food I think are useful and so you WanNa make sure you have some water. Most importantly, obviously to drink, and especially, if your water is connected to the power outage that can be real problem some people say okay, I've got pumped but but what if the power goes out and you don't have the ability to run that pump? This is the biggest thing in in in Florida where I'm from where you're basically stuck and so you need water to drink but you need water for sanitation to keep clean etc, and so I think stockpiling waters a good idea kind of low end to higher end the low end is just stockpiles trays of bottled water. That's my step one you. Can grab a corner of a closet corner of a basement under the bed. You can put a dozen or to trays of the twenty four packs of of half liter water bottles a twenty four pack of half liter water bottles is I think five and a half gallons, which is quite a lot and what I really like about the water being in that form is it's really easy to use. If you're thirsty, you have a bottle drain the bottle, throw it away and then it's also easy to use in time where you don't feel like you're wasting a bunch of money because if you WANNA go For a picnic now, you just grab on your trays of water bottles, water bottles. You've always got bottles of water in addition then you can purchase some larger water containers. We're trying to do this on the cheap. You can do this with saved a soda bottle containers just grab a soda bottle from whoever drinks soda wash it out, put some tap water in there. If you've got tap water be totally fine you don't have to chlorinate all arguments about about it whatever you can you can dig into that on your own I keep some containers fifteen gallon barrels. Of Water and then if I were moving into a house where I knew I was going to be there for a long time. Then I would install some mega barrels of water in the In the garage there is a company for example, called sure water tanks. Sure. Water tanks, dot com where they sell these giant Dina Five, hundred, thousand. Gallon Berewa. Bear. Five hundred thousand gallon barrels, and so if I knew I was going to be a house for a long time. I would go ahead install that because knowing how important water is it sure. Feels Nice to have. You know a couple of thousand gallons ready for you at all times. In case you face some kind of long-term water outed water outage food, I think is the simplest thing and it's very, very simple. Most of us have food on our house already, and so basically, where I incur to start is just take whatever you usually ipe and then take the stuff that that doesn't spoil and buy some more of that whatever you usually eat, and then you can stock up to the higher extreme and so what you can do is figure out how much do I want I want a month of food you can do A. Month of food just right out of your Pantry with normal food that you eat and then if you want to supplement with some inexpensive emergency food, you can do that There's lots of options there. Do I want three months of food I want six months of food. Do I want to years of food There's just a couple of different layers that you add on and then I think the the Final thing that you wanted to think about is the hygiene sanitation and cooking. So if you're you have your house and your house provides shelter, and if you've thought about those acute situations in which you're shelter could be damaged in some way then you'll have a plan there but what's your plan if you're gonNA live in your shelter but the utilities are cut off that's where things are difficult. So how do you maintain hygiene? How do you? How does your family? How do you keep clean? How do you deal with human waste How do you cook making sure that you have a backup form of cooking Simplest thing is the simple stuff works. So if you've got a new house, go ahead and put you know get yourself a nice grill for the back patio or a nice grill for the back patio but then go ahead and. Stock up half a dozen propane tanks instead of one or put a dozen propane tanks instead of one. Well, if you have a nice grill that you're gonNA use for your your dinner steak steak dinner parties, and that grills got a little propane burner off the side you've got a perfect just super awesome emergency backup system. If you elect if your fancy, you know induction cook top inside goes down because the power grid goes. Down, and so all you need to do is take that normal equipment that you buy that you already have, and then just think about how you keep it running for an extended period by storing some propane bottles in the back in the back shed, and then the final thing I would say is always remember that although your house is going to be the in the vast majority of places, the best place for you. To be always remember that you might need to leave your house and so if you had to leave your house, then you're going to probably do that in your car in theory, right? Maybe cars can't work and theory maybe the roads are blocked and you've got a bicycle out or hike your way out I guess but man I don't ever WanNa be there. So I recommend to people is that you keep that least one. Keep at least two fuel tanks, worth of gasoline stored for your car diesel whatever your vehicle runs on at your house and so you need to be careful about where you live there are municipal codes that apply to some of this stuff you get think about what you can do and make sure that you you you store it safely. But my theory is this if my if my my van has a twenty gallon fuel tank and let's Say that all of a sudden you know there's there's a problem. There's a there's a hurricane heading for us and we've got to get out of town or something something bad happened. We gotta get Outta town and I just unfortunately was stuck with a totally empty fuel tank well I. WanNa have enough fuel that I can fill up my car's fuel tank that'll give me on almost any car about four hundred miles of range so wanna have. TO FILL UP MY, car's fuel tank, and that I'd like to have one extra tank worth of fuel that could take with me. So then if I can take some. If I can take one extra tank were the fuel with me. Then I can get now eight hundred miles away from wherever I have to be without having to depend on gas stations being open et Cetera and so. Excuse me I think that that is is a really worthwhile thing to look for and all the stuff starts to overlap. So if you store forty or fifty gallons of fuel for your car, gives you the ability to fill up the tank and then you know strap the the fuel cans on the back end or however you going to transport. Them. With you. If you had to leave that also gives you fifty gallons of fuel for your generator and fifty gallons of fuel for your Honda Two thousand generator. That's months of fuel that I can run on on fifty gallons, and so you start to see how everything interacts, and then you create this web of preparedness and resiliency where you have multiple. and. So that's the the wow. Thirty minute overview off the of my head of non tinfoil hat hurry preparedness. So there you go. Peter that helpful. Thank extremely. All right. Well, you want the full version. Then you get much twelve our class but that was my my thirty minute version off the top of my head. Are we go to Jeremy in Ohio? Jeremy. Welcome to the show how can I serve you today sir? Joshua I have what may be a controversial question about how Medicaid can possibly benefit early retirees okay. So my wife. American citizens we live in Ohio and will likely achieve financial independence right around the forty and so to be eligible for Medicaid in Ohio. A household to can earn up to currently one hundred and thirty three percent of the federal. Poverty. Line. Which is about twenty, two thousand dollars and it's my understanding that in Ohio assets have no impact on Medicaid eligibility. If you're under sixty five, it's only modified adjusted gross income that's considered. So. If we retired did not earn income used checking accounts Ross to four fifty seven to cover our living expenses. That point we'd have minimal reportable income and I believe be eligible for Medicaid. We could also withdraw twenty two thousand are up to twenty, two, thousand from pretax accounts report the income, and you know cover the remaining expenses from counts I just mentioned. So I guess my questions are am I correct in assuming that we and many early retirees would be eligible for Medicaid. do you have any idea what the quality of care or costs look like for Medicaid participants and then you can get into this if you'd like if we're eligible, do you think it's ethical for us to participate in? So to answer those questions number one. Yes it's my understanding that in most states, the system functions like you say that Medicaid in most states and of course I don't know all the states that I have looked at Medicaid in most states. is done based upon income qualification. Not based upon asset qualification. So you can have ten million dollars in your checking account, and if you are not working and you have no interest, you can qualify for Medicaid Coverage. So the answer is yes. and. In addition. So you've got two hundred, thirty, three percent of federal poverty limits. That's that's good. Then that same thing applies to things like the obamacare subsidies. So if you go on a nationalized the obamacare exchanges and purchase a website through the exchange, you qualify also for those subsidies. So what I'd encourage you in addition to Medicaid Research, the subsidy amounts and research what your projected income would be and research what qualifies income there and that also can. Give you the same coverage. So yes, that plan does work and I think it's a very useful tool in the in the the the the toolbox of of anybody to have that as a plan because without that the costs of of medical health insurance become really really significant as you well know if you if you're forty or fifty years old and you're trying to cover yourself with an independent plan, all of a sudden, it comes much more significant. I don't have any insight on the quality of care. Of the Medicaid system and the overall quality of care I don't have any insight on that What I would say is the people for whom this kind of plan works. The very best are people like me who were blessed not to have any we don't have any conditions. We don't have any ongoing health issues I try to consult medical professionals as part of how can I optimize things but in general, I try to stay away from doctors and hospitals. In. My experience of the people die in hospitals and I don't WanNa die that way. So I try to stay away from them unless something is really really acute and so I don't know the quality of care in one place versus another what I would say from General Knowledge. Is that your quality of care will not change dramatically. Based upon whether how the how the care provider is being paid the when you working with the care provider who is being paid by Medicaid or by Medicare they're getting paid regardless. So there's not like there's a second class system where okay. There's the Medicaid people over there and then there's the private pay people over here I mean that just system just doesn't doesn't exist at this point in time and so my experience and my observation from speaking to people who Received Medicaid benefits is that the quality of CARE IS GONNA come down to the quality of care providers. Now, we're this plan goes bad is if there's a specific care provider or specific type of care that you really need because you're dealing with something where this is an ongoing situation and I've got to have this doctor because this doctor is the one doctor who understands my situation understands my medical profile and this is the doctor that that allows me to to feel good. Well, that may or may not be covered, and so that's a much more difficult situation. That requires a lot of research but where I think and that's what I was wondering. Yeah. Yeah. So I in your situation where you're playing works the best. Is If. You're viewing this. As you know, I want to have health insurance because I don't want to have my my million dollars in my checking account disappear for medical bills, and so we'll medicate cover me if I have it. The answer is, yes. Final question is it ethical? My answer to that comes down to this. Did you choose to support the Medicaid System? Now. And as much as I don't like redistributionist programs ethically I've never come to the position where I could say that there was anything wrong with participating in them. Now, there is a bit of. Personal Pride involved from me here I have always seen myself as the kind of person who is not a Leech on the system I've always seen myself as the kind of person that. Took care of myself. I take care of myself I take care of my family. I've always seen myself as the kind of person who who, who worked hard to be independent and self reliant and I've never seen that there was anything wrong with somebody accepting help if they needed it but I've always believed and I still do believe that our primary responsibility is to take care of ourselves. So there is this traditionalist perspective in the United States especially, especially where in days past, there was a culture of self. Reliance to this day. Still you can find micro pockets of communities in United States where this still exists where where it's like, you know don't take from the system that's for other people support yourself, etc and there was this proud culture of individualists who took responsibility for themselves and recognize that there was charity available and they wanted to contribute to charity but they didn't want to be a taker they want to be a giver and not a taker and I that that personal philosophy resonates with me very, very deeply. However. The problem is that's dead and gone that whole world is dead and gone, and at this point in time nobody gave me a choice about complying for Medicaid nobody gave me a choice about contributing to Medicare social security or any of that stuff that money was taken from me by force. So what ethical imperative is there for me to reject the money? What ethical imperative is there for me to reject it, and this is why in the United States, the healthcare debate is so difficult because the. United States is caught very firmly between two cultures. The United States is caught between traditional culture that many older people identify with take care of yourself. Take care of your family don't rely on government money. You know be the kind of person who who stands up and provides for yourself versus modern culture, which is very much. The government is here not to secure my freedom or to secure my rights but to provide for me, and if there's a problem, it's the government's fault and so systems like Mike Medicaid. are in the middle systems like Medicaid are kind of half half. These they were put in place by progressive political administrations who admired system of the government taking care of everything but they were put into place in the constraints of a US American culture that said, we don't want that for everybody just want to take care of the poor and we just WANNA. Make sure we understand. Okay. We don't mind if you take a little bit of tax money you take care of the poor. And and so we're just we're going allow that to be the case now many other nations have gone. So for example, if you were living in the United Kingdom, you're living in in in London England and you knew that you were part of the National Institutes of health. You wouldn't think twice from an ethical perspective about being an early retiree having the National Institutes of health because that's baked into the culture. Baked into the European culture and many cultures around the world as the government should take care of health insurance many he will believe health insurance is a human right health and healthcare is a fundamental human right and it's the government's job to maintain fundamental human rights just like right education just like right to food just like right to water just like right to a place to live at Cetera and so what's what's Difficult is the United States is caught between these two things caught between a system that no longer exists of a culture of self reliance and independence and take care of yourself but not all the way forward to to you know government subsidized a government run health insurance and so that's where why everything is so difficult right now. So I don't think my personal guests you know that my my position if I could choose. Excuse me if I could choose, I would go back to the system of everybody taking care of themselves because I believe that it's fundamentally immoral and fundamentally dangerous for us to have these programs where I'm just GonNa take care of it weakens people you look at the devastation that has been wrought many communities the United States by things like welfare programs it's just it's devastating to people it's devastating to households devastating to culture. It's bad for human beings but I'm on the tiny tiny minority ideologically of people who believe that and so I think that in. The United States I don't know exactly how long but I would say within a decade or so it's inevitable that the United States will move from this very difficult awkward system of Health Insurance and private and government option Medicaid Medicare etc to a fully to a fully government run health insurance program like many other countries around the world maintained. So I think is a short term thing. I don't like that necessarily I'm not in favor of it, but I think it's a it's a it's a reality and my proof for that my -ment for that is very, very simple. Medicare is a government run system. And I'm not aware of any person, any major politician I shouldn't say person that was the wrong word. I'm not aware of any politician at least not any elected politician any major figure who from a moral perspective is making the argument that Medicare should be disbanded. Rather everybody says, well, we've got to keep Medicare and there's an obvious political reality to it. Well, what magically changes for you at age sixty five where now at age sixty five, you have the right to Medicare but now at age sixty three, you didn't or at fifty three or whatever early retirement age what what morally changes. There's no moral change their nobody's making the moral argument same my exact same thing with regard to government. education people everybody the United States except as an article of faith that the government should be involved in schooling from K. through twelve. But then the country arbitrarily believes that somehow something magically changes in great thirteen degrade six teen that now all of a sudden, it shouldn't be that. So I don't see any philosophical reason any any reason how those arguments can hold and I'm not trying to be consistent for the sake of. Of Mir consistent I'm trying to say that arguments have consequences once you go down a certain path then of thinking once you're convinced that this is the foundation upon which we build then that foundation has inevitable consequences and so on education I think inevitably, college education will be paid out of government taxpayer fund because it's the natural continuation of the current system where government funds pay for K. through twelve what's the difference in K. through? Twelve in K. through sixteen there's no there was no fundamental difference. So as I see it either you believe that the government should not be involved in education as I personally do. But again, I'm like point zero eight percent of people who believe that. But either you personally believe that in which case government's not paying for college is natural in his normal as government's not paying k through twelve education or you see it is you`re GonNa come to see that there's nothing meaningfully different between K. through twelve in K. through sixteen. So on health insurance same thing either you believe that the government should pay for health insurance because it's the only it's the best way or the only way, or it's the most just wear the most righteous way in which case why does it start at sixty five? Why not have it start at zero or at eighteen or whatever age you WanNa pick or you believe that is not the business of the government that's not the purview of the government in which case you would need to oppose it at age forty five but but also oppose it. Sixty five, and so what's happening is there's this generational tension between older generations who were raised in a world in which government programs were non-existent, and then government programs were just for the poor but that generation is now retiring that generation is now dying off and the younger generation was not raised with any of those basic moral arguments that yeah okay. We'll take care of the poor but not, and so from an ethical perspective, if you didn't have any choice in having the money taken from you, then why should you feel the responsibility of not taking from it? So let's use another example The roads could be privately funded, but they're not. So, why should you feel? Let's say that you drive a lot and you drive, you know thirty thousand miles a year and I drive three, thousand miles a year. Should you feel guilty about the fact that you drive thirty thousand miles a year and you're putting more wear and tear on the roads or should you just simply comply with the law and go on about your life and so although I don't like the answer and I long and wish for a culture of people who said I'm going to take care of myself and my family because that's where it starts and then I'm going to reach out and take care of my neighbor because my neighbor needs help him not GonNa do GonNa look to the left when they're on the right. But I'M GONNA genuinely get involved and help that I would dearly love to live in that culture we don't. So my answer is from an ethical perspective. You have no ethical responsibility to consider that at this point in time, you simply have an ethical responsibility to follow the law and so is the law has been written in such a way that you qualify take it. Yeah, the political and economic implications of the question are so fascinating. So I do really appreciate your it's My pleasure well, congratulations on your your your your pending early retirement. How did you? How did you acquire wealth to be even thinking about earlier time was your path. very minimal expenses I mean pretty standard fire path cutting expenses, very low saving and investing the difference in low cost index funds. Congratulations was this something that you recently start thinking about or is this funding that for for years and decades you've been working on? I was very fortunate to grow up with a father who was his goal is entire life to be able to retire at forty and he did and I recently told him about the fire movement and his response was Oh they have a name for what I did. So so I had that model. So I was very locking. That is that is great I think that's that's the power of the fire movement currently that that, what's what what I see happening is the path of of of the fire of early retirement financial independence has been there for a very long time. I have a hobby of reading old books right for ridden in the seventies and eighties and the nineties where you could find people were doing this. But it's the communication revolution where now many more people can share their stories and previously there were lots people like your father who did it, but they didn't have contact with a lot of people because. Communities were less based on interest and more based on geography communities were were not. Possible Virtually, and so your dad probably shared with a couple of friends but not many what he actually was doing. But now that communities can be created and sustained based on interest not based on Mir geography it allows access for normal people who previously if they wanted to get their ideas out there, they would have gone through the whole process of of of creating a pitch of taking it to a publisher of getting a book published. That was the way disseminate information but now those same people can posted on their instagram posted on a blog etc, and that's what's creating this this tremendous and. So congratulations and what a cool story that. That your that your father did it do you have children? Would you don't? Okay. So we're not going to be passing on third generation. We'll get along get along your nieces and nephews and the children in the neighborhood and teach it to them so that they so they get the idea from an early age as well. And to be honest you've been a part of that too good my pleasure. Thank you Jeremy We move now to Austin in Louisiana Austin the shock serve you today Sir. Hey Josh I was had something that I hope will be a fun topic today. I, know In the past you've talked to, but you never done a show on so rigs but you have mentioned several times kind of in preparation for your family's. A cross country travels and I'm I'm looking at purchasing a a used toe rig type vehicle sometime the next six months to a year and I was just wondering if you had any insight kind of based on your research to and be good years good models to look for that kind of fill that that niche how big of a trailer anticipate towing? I'm planning on were playing maybe a large in bed camper, but we'd also be using it day to day for you know moving equipment around. So things like tractors and things like that. So. Something three quarter time. Do The job? Okay. Well. In general my first thing is I. Don't think that pickup trucks or particularly good toe rig if they can be avoided. So the problem with a pickup truck is you have this big bed that is exposed to the weather and although there can be benefits if you're gonNA, put a topper on it, that can be okay. Even topper, itself can be a problem. For example, if you get a pickup truck and let's say that you're towing a travel. Trailer in it then that's an and you put a top on it. That's a difficult thing to back up often because you you, you minimize your visibility of the back and so pick up trucks are not are not perfect tow rigs in my opinion. The first thing that I tried to do was I bought a van in my theory was if I buy a fifteen passenger van that can tow my trailer then that'll be the best of both worlds because. I'll have abundant interior space for an abundant abundant interior space for passengers. All have abundant secured storage that's accessible from the vehicle unlike a pickup truck, and then I can tow my trailer on behind and so that was the first thing that I did because I think that a big heavy van is a better solution than a pickup truck. Now, unfortunately I got a lemon of Van I thought I was getting a great deal I somehow got a lemon and my. Van Just couldn't pull it. I had a ten thousand pound trailer. My van was berated for ten thousand pounds. I. Couldn't get the thing over fifty one miles an hour on the land and so Even though I spent you know significant money at the mechanic getting the van and top shape. We never did quite figure out what was wrong with the van but I just could not tell it. It was it was a Chevy van with a the Chevy V8 in. In hindsight if I'd gotten another kind of man, if I'd gotten, for example, the Chevy van with the with the diesel, the diesel they have in the Chevy van for a number of years if I possibly, if I'd gotten the the afford van with power stroke in and other, those are tuned a little bit and not not as strong as a as a as a Ford pickup with the power stroke is possibly if I'd gotten a van, Chevy had a big an eight point one liter big block. If I'd gotten that instead of the three, fifty the five point seven like would have been. Maybe it would've worked my whole plan would have worked but after my bad experience, the van is throughout my principles on on pickup trucks and I said, okay, fine. I'll just buy a pickup truck and so I bought a diesel pickup truck. So in the world of pickup trucks. The By the way obviously, the van only really works with with a bumper pool trailer. Now, there is a gadget that a guy I think in Texas makes I can't remember the name of it but he makes this gadget which pretty cool actually it's called a safety hitch I think which just pretty cool which attacked us to the back of the vehicle and would technically allow a van or possibly an excursion to to tow a fifth wheel trailer. And to do it safely and so I thought about that. But there he sells that gadget for like twelve grand and you when you go through it and you think, okay, I want to buy an excursion someone to by a big diesel excursion. I've got lots of interior space. The BIG SUV it's going to be rated for the telling, but I'm going to go ahead and spend another ten thousand bucks on this gadget. So I can pull a fifth wheel it's just no, there's no sense in it. Unless you have more children than can fit in the pickup truck is it doesn't work. So you basically wind up to the back of the pickup truck as a default so. Assuming that you're having a pickup truck. Then now, what do you choose well, I love truck bed campers. I think that if you're not too many people, my issue I have four children we don't fit in one but if you have, you know up to two children sometimes three, there are a couple of models where they actually have a bunk that folds down as if you're willing to convert the debt, have the bunk full down, etc you can do it but I think that's the that's one of the. Best option some of the modern in bed pickup campers are so comfortable there. So luxurious and yet you gain so much benefit because you have the versatility of the vehicle, you don't have to pull a trailer or you can pull a boat you can pull you know your your rock carling jeep or whatever you've got. It's just an awesome deal, and so I've toured a number of traveling around the country. Everything from the small and I met a couple that was full timing in a small pop-up camper in in their bed of their pickup truck. It was a they were using three quarter ton chevy but they had a I think was from Brandon Colorado and they were living full time in this pop-up camper and they loved it because they were able. To get so far off the beaten path because of their pickup truck camper that allowed them to go anywhere they wanted including off road. They didn't have to bother with a trailer, and so they were really happy with it. I also met people who were traveling in the big luxury rigs. Right? You had a big one ton pickup truck with. And at a big giant truck camper on the back and you go into some of those luxury rigs and they're awesome. They're they're they're they're really really cool and so if you're thinking about a pickup truck camp, pick up bed camper the first thing that you have to look at it, the payload numbers, the payload numbers are more important than the engine numbers, and if you're going to get a large camper you've got to get if you're GONNA get a one you've got to get A. One ton truck with duly because the duly makes a massive difference in the payload numbers and a massive difference in your experience with the payload numbers, and so that's going to be your biggest thing in addition if you're going to go with the fifth wheel fifth wheels, the majority of fifth wheels that you see being pulled by three quarter ton or even a one ton pickup with single rear wheels there over the specifications and so if you're going to tell a fifth wheel, you need payload capacity payload. Capacity comes with having a duly with dual rear wheels. So definitely would recommend that you get clear on what you're doing because that's going to naturally drive you in the direction of a duly or your naturally see you know what I don't need to do the, and so I can get by with a three quarter ton of one ton truck with single rear wheels with regard to engine considerations obviously here you need to think about your application again. So obviously, most of us, enjoy the power. Of a diesel pickup truck, and if you're going to be towing a big trailer, there's no question that diesel pickup truck is going to be a superior option for you and there are many good options that you can choose to too many good arguments that you can advance why you should buy a diesel pickup truck just the resale argument alone I think is very, very, well worth considering diesel pickup trucks are insanely expensive. They're expensive new and they're sanely expensive us and so when you buy one. That you can be pretty well assured in the current market. A very strong marketplace for it. And so when you run the numbers about buying a new one versus buying a by buying a new diesel and paying an extra six, thousand, eight thousand dollars for the engine that you want versus buying a brand new truck with gas engine, even big gas engine. The new diesel has such a demand in the marketplace. that. That you could probably get your money out on the resale that said. New Modern diesel engines are awesomely built there also. So stinking complex that just you know carrying for them is going to cost a lot of money. There is nothing simple about a modern diesel engine and after all of the emissions controls that are on them. Now you've got this I. Mean Multi Thousand Dollar System. You've got this multi, just the exhaust system on the thing alone to to swap it out is a few thousand dollars. Now obviously, you can take a modern diesel engine. You can delete all the emissions off of it, but then that kills you resale value I wouldn't I wouldn't choose to buy a truck that's been deleted even though I acknowledge that if all of. The emission stuff has been deleted off the truck. It's probably a better truck, but you just don't know what's been done. Then you don't know if it was done right and so I'm I'm generally opposed to deleting the emissions off the vehicle because it will harm your resale value and so as I see it, your first question is do I, need the diesel. So if you're if you're if you're towing a big camper, you need the diesel. If you're towing a big trailer if you're GONNA be talking equipment, you need the diesel but the argument on that is less clear than it once was. So let's say that you do this interesting analysis if you go back and you say What was what was a truck? In two thousand. All right. Let's go back. You. You pick a one unduly from two thousand and two, thousand, three fifty with the with the power stroke and you look at the horsepower and torque ratings on that on that engine versus looking at a a modern big block gas engine. I haven't done this with all the brands, but you're modern big low big block gas engine is probably going to have higher power output then that big old diesel did back then and so. If you look and say, what do I? What do I actually need? Chances are most of us don't need the diesel. It's just harder to find a big gas engine and so Were where another benefit of a gas engine. Especially, if you're doing something like a truck camper is you get more payload. So if you get a duly pickup truck and I, don't know if you need four doors or not say you're setting up a rig for a truck camper an ideal rig for a truck camper is a duly pickup truck with an extended cab, not a crew cab but. An extended caps, you have a little bit of space and then a big ass engine in it, and that will give you more payload for your camper and the engine is far superior to anything that you need and when you run the numbers on the cost of gasoline versus the cost of diesel, I'm convinced that the vast majority of any efficiency savings for anybody except professional holler will often disappear. It. Stunning. When you see how expensive diesel is at this point in time because it's got to be so highly processed to meet the emission standards. Is Even. If you give up some fuel mileage is just going to be a superior option, and so I would have no fear of of just buying a big gas engine and doing that for most of my applications even pulling trailers. It's only when you get into twenty thousand pound trailers and whatnot where there's no question, you have to have the diesel engine because you have to have. The power. So think really carefully about your application if I could avoid it, I would avoid personally a diesel engine and. In favor of a gas for those reasons but that's that's less common. I do think now are you thinking about buying a new truck or US truck? Now I'm definitely looking at a I, call it the GRANDPA trucks. So what I have been looking at is A. Early to mid two thousand diesel pickup truck. That has somewhere in the range of one, hundred, one, hundred, fifty, thousand miles. And that way, it still has a lot of life in it but it makes all of our needs. So in that range what your obvious solution in my opinion I did the exact same analysis the obvious solution is you WanNa get somewhere between ninety nine to two thousand, three Ford F to fifty or three, fifty with seven three power stroke Now there are I'll give you a couple of wrinkles on that. But in that vintage in that era here's like of the big three you can at first, let's all acknowledge that there's plenty of good trucks and they can all work but you have to real clear winners in that era before Chevy introduced the Durham axe your to real obvious clear winners were number one the Ford power. Stroke and number two, the DOT, the comments that was in the dodge, and so the Cummins without question is an awesome engine but the complaint from many dodge owners and mechanics is that the dodge truck wasn't as awesome as its engine was, and so if you go back and you drive as I, have a number of times you go back and you drive a truck from that era, a ramp from that era, it's very hard to make it It's very hard to enjoy it. You're wandering all over the steering a sloppy. The Dashboard is rotten. It's just it's just even though the engine will run forever. It's not it's not a great engine. And so the best all around mixture of fit and finish of the truck and a great engine. It was the was the seven point, three liter, Ford power stroke, and so just for historical context pre-nine th, the seven point three liter power stroke was was advertised by Ford as a million as the million mile motor. It was a proven old fashioned design advertised by forward is the million mile motor. They tuned it up massively when Ford introduced the Super Duty Series in in ninety nine prior to ninety nine they had this point three seven point three liter engine, but it was it was not. Nearly, as strong as they tuned it up in ninety nine and so I would avoid a pre-nine Ford because the other thing is that that parts and whatnot are getting harder pretty hard to find for those trucks. So the power output stinks and the parts are harder find even though they look cool. Got That old Classic Square, Body Design, and if you gave me the best deal on one, obviously always worth thinking about the deal that you can get the parts are hard to find. So from ninety, nine, zero, three, four, ran the seven point three liter diesel and the seven point three liter diesel. Is A. It's a bulletproof engine. It's a proven design it's bulletproof. It doesn't have any of the emission stuff on it the tailpipe stinks like anything it's a, but it's it's powerful enough for the vast majority of applications and it really really works well, and you can still find enough good trucks in that vintage. From nine to nine, zero, three that you have good selection all the parts are available. You can swap in many of the modern super duty parts into them. So if you don't like the dash put dash from a two thousand, thirteen, right if you don't like the sleet seats swap in some some some some you know ranch king king ranch seats from a two, thousand, two, thousand, sixteen, it's all interchangeable but you have the engine and you have. The engine them, which is, which is your key thing. What's the weak point in them winning them as your automatic transmission and the fact that they're getting old and they end people know that the seven point three is valuable. So they come in a bit of a premium. Now, the other thing that I think is worth worth thinking about. Is in two thousand, four Ford swapped out the seven point three for the six leader and the six leader is actually really well designed engine but Ford rushed it to market and so because they rushed it to market, it came with They've they ran into market with a bunch of problems in it because so they redesigned the motor because they had. The it meet emission standards. So that's designed to six Lebron. The came to market. It had a whole bunch of things with Mitch made it really really unreliable and so in the beginning years, it re acquired a massive reputational problem because it was an extremely unreliable engine because everyone was comparing it to the seven point three now at this point in time every. Single thing that can go wrong with wrong with six leader is known and so you can take a six liter and you can fix every one of those problems and you can have a better engine arguably than the seven point three. If you fix it, the problem is if you buy six leader, you don't know if everything has been done properly or. Not seventy percent of the ads for a six liter will say the engines been bullet-proofed but is it was done well was it not done well, and so there's a guy in Georgia the guy who runs the website I think its power stroke help that his resource he's got everything to everything there. That's where I would encourage you to look at but. He'll if you if you find a low mileage six leader and you send it to him and you give him another fifteen grand, he'll make that thing. Awesome. It'll make. He'll make it perfect and one of the big. That you get when you move to a two, thousand, four and newer is you get modern suspension is the old fashioned suspension of the previous generation. You get a lot of modern amenities that are nice to have, and so you gotta decide what's what's more important me not if you've got a little bit more money, I think it's a great deal because you can get a six liter you can bulletproof fit and you've got a really good truck and yet it's still. It's still it was before all of the the the stuff that's on a seven, etc. Don't buy six four it's a catastrophe, the six sevens that for the move to after the six four are pretty good and I mean we go all day on this stuff but but if I were doing it so what I did was I bought a two thousand in years two, thousand, two F to fifty with a seven point three that was the truck that got stolen. From, me. and. Then I replaced it with another one about a two thousand, three F to fifty and that truck was both were was great to me I still actually own. If you want to buy my my two thousand to two fifty I, sell it to you in Florida but I actually still own the other truck that it's my USA truck that when go USA night, they have that drive but it but it's a really really good option and so if you're looking, you can do it for under. Ten grand without question you can probably do it from anywhere from six to eight to find a good truck that's going to be in good shape. Your weak point is always going to be your transmission. So if you start pulling big trailers and whatnot and with an automatic transmission, be nice to it at some point it may fail but if it does fail it like it's the worst thing in the world but that's what I did doing it over again I would do exactly the same thing over again. Okay awesome. Thank you and I might have to reach out the on the Patriot page about that truck. Yes. And it to me and I'll. It's sitting I'll give you all the details privately but it's I. Don't. I'm not really interested in selling it because it's got. Excuse me. It's got rebuilt title I rebuilt it after it was stolen from me, and so if I put it on the market, then I'll get beat up by a buyer. On the market who who who wants to do that. So like I'll keep the truck it's a good truck and that way find other camper in the US I've got a truck ready to go. But on the other hand, I don't really like having a truck just sitting there and It's sitting on my mechanic shop and he takes care of it for me but Yeah semi message animal and I'll give you the details and see if it works for you. All right. We move on to looks like Andy Andy in Indiana Andy Walk into the shocking I serve you today Sir. Russia has gone. I will apply. Yeah. I can hear you I just was feeling a little embarrassed about the fact that I turned radical personal finance into truck talk like. My if I had a producer, the producer would say what is wrong with you Joshua nobody cares get on with it. So go ahead. Let's talk about something different than trucks. Actually. Just say I work in the diesel engine development industry. I would agree with everything you said accept. Certain Marcus part certain. probably doesn't matter if you do we emissions but I live everybody believes emissions, and so that's very normal. I wouldn't buy one like that. 'cause people do tend to regular pretty hard great but I would have no problem selling one that I had deleted. So. I D I would agree with your analysis. Good you. Additional advice anything I missed in that kind of discussion. now, generally So thousand seven was the year that the emissions really got a lot tighter If you look at a dodge truck, pre two, thousand seven and they're going to be a lot cheaper maintain As far as the emissions stuff I'm not as familiar with words, cords, engines of I'd say probably similar in that. The timeline and then the only other thing I don't know Ford offered different can't. Currently Dodge Ram now those couple of different transmissions and so. If you read the Van and he which transmission you've got. Makes a huge difference in the durability and towing ability of that truck though. I don't know you might check into that looking at those older trucks. There are a couple different kinds of mission is offered. There might be a big difference between those. That I don't I don't really into question, I meant to say and I forgot to say on the subject I was gonna say the the caller you could do what my my cousin does. My cousin is rancher, and so you know they've got half a dozen pickups oliver his ranch. What he does is he he buys he buys a Ford pickup and puts it comes into it. So he takes comes out of out of a died sticks it in the Ford pickup and he has two of them, and that's what he drives every day and that's what he loves because then he gets the best of both worlds in his opinions. So that's all the the if you get into it, obviously, those are some interesting solutions as well if you can trust the person who did it Yeah, they call that a funding. Exactly all right, and you go with your question Sir. My question was actually had a quick look into eight longer question. If you don't mind my quick question from what I have heard, you say about. the mortgages and stuff. I don't see I I the mortgage into forbearance when Kobe hit 'cause I. hadn't had any income problems. I thought well, I might have missed quite a quick to buttons and hopefully stockpile cash by have been in forbearance since April have all that money to the union account ready to be paid What? Interest, rate lower now so they I asked them to look at eight one modification if I could get the interest knock down a little bit because I just bought the house a year ago. So they're not way lower than when I bought I'm thinking I'd get three quarters to one point but I Want to look into that because I was reading through their paperwork. Some of the paperwork says up to, and some of it says, we'll be forty years they modify your loan. From twenty, nine year mortgage at three and three quarter percent to Hopefully it three or two quarters percent. And then alone, that could be thirty to forty years on I kind of like that because it lowers my payment and I can always pay extra to pay that off I don't think that big risk there other than maybe being Here's I told my money. I'd like to pay my house off anyway. Do you see any any problems with that analysis? No. No. You're hitting all the right buttons so they'll give you a better deal. There's never a reason not to try for a better deal just calculate the expenses. So if when they give you an offer and they say, here's what the new set of closing costs would be. Here's what we'll give you a CETERA. Then calculate them side by side and see how long it will take you to recoup those new closing costs and other expenses. But as long as you're doing that calculation, no, I see no downside to that plan. That's right. That's I thought I'd run that. You have time to. Go home and longer question. How. Do I get more conflict and unpleasantness and my wife? I am pretty conflict averse I don't like arguing with people I don't like ten situations, etc. Like I- i- physio logically very stuff by that I've been fortunate to have a pretty calm peaceful life with my family more than my family and work where I've never been any sort of regularly conflict or abusive situation don't have a lot of experience with that I, have experienced experienced three times and I think I. Handle it. Okay. I mean I know what to do and I pretty. Well, stick to my guns on things but is extremely stressful for me and and hard to. Know what to do if it's not something that just don't know what the right decision making the moment if I haven't thought about that ASLI so I would be interested in doing some things to say expose myself to that stretch more often and sort of thinking that. that aren't. Actually risky So I if I go to you've talked a lot about toes matthews which I haven't. Done a lot of public speaking training and that's great but it's not there's no conflict there. Right everybody your friend they want you. That's it's not an angry person Cursing, say sort of situation. And then You know the other side of that I have a couple of rental. How a couple of times I've got into disagreements with a tenant that Not, terrible but stressful, you know in that situation that they fairly high stakes, just negotiation Do you have any ideas of ways to expose myself to that conflict in a fairly was? Situation Have you ever done any kind of fight training? Training. Boxing. Boxing. Not. So. That's the first thing that occurs to me and I say that because it's actually Something that I'm personally interested in pursuing myself. I was just right before Cova shut down all the gyms I just decided to join a boxing gym and as a thought about it over the years. So you know me fairly well as a thought about it over the years. I've Real I. Think. I. Believe that at this point that that. I thought about this a lot with regard to my sons and I thought what can I do for my son's now I've always had this interesting experience number one. Being physically large my entire life I've never been picked on by Belise in the way that many smaller people are so I never had to prove my strength and ever had to prove anything and I've always been a piece oriented guy I've always been I don't like conflict either I'm generally the guy who's trying to bring conflict resolution generally China's is let's just sit down let's talk about it. You Know bub-bubba I've studied conflict resolution I've studied the you know the subject's pretty good at it. I'm pretty good at finding middle ground at Cetera And my father always discouraged any kind of physical contact. So for example, you know even when we were boys, he discouraged he discouraged us to wrestle. He discouraged that my dad wrestled in high school but he came to a point when he was older, he discouraged us from doing that. But. As I've gotten older I've come to think that there's actually something really valuable about knowing that you can fight and for all of my my my skills I am not a physical fighter I've never been. I've never thrown a punch never been punched in the face and I don't think that. Necessarily being able to throw punches is you know step one I've always been of the opinion that you either run away from a fight or you shoot the guy that's GonNa kill you right and maybe there's a place for inbetween but those have always been my to things like I'm gonna I always wear good shoes so I can run away and where a gun. So if I have to shoot I can and then take training with a gun but realized that I think I'm missing something in my my masculinity that I should have because of limited exposure to violence and I've realized that there's something about people who fight. that it it does something for them it. It changes them in some way and I've realized that that. And ask me in time when I can actually in the gym's open up and I can. I can join a boxing gym. But I think there's something that I'm missing in my personality similar to what you're describing. Because of that lack of of physical contact sport. And so for me for my own personal development, what I decided I'm GonNa do I'm GonNa join a boxing gym I decided to do to do boxing instead of anything else I think it's 'cause I think personally my my analysis of it is probably the most useful martial sport compared to the other ones that are not quite as useful in the street. Not that I am not going to get into a fistfight on the street, but you know. Why you're going to do something I don't know not interested in in a purple sash. That's for some people but anyway, I'm not join a boxing gym an old fashioned Jim and learn how to box and use it for exercise. That's been another thing. It's like, okay. What kind of exercise would I enjoy? I think I would enjoy a lot of the components of exercise of boxing. We'll see when I try and then I also just want to learn how to get hit in the face and I wonder how to hit someone in the face and I think. that. There's going to be some benefit that I'll get in my confidence from it from having read the stories of other people talk to people about CETERA. I think that that's going to be a change me and I am cautious. But at this point I think I'm probably GONNA take my eldest son with me and give him a chance to learn to box boxes. Well, because while I, appreciate my father's emphasis on peacefulness and I desire to always be an extremely peaceful guy. I think the lack of exposure to that can harm yourself confidence and so what I would say is specifically with regard confidence and conflict and whatnot. There's a place for the witty. Repertoire rip. It was going to sound good before I started it there's a place for the witty repartee of a good philosophical debate but the end of the day I think probably just cut to the chase and consider joining a boxing gym for a couple of months and see if it helps. That's what I would say as a first step just join a gym for a fee for a few months and see see what your experiences see what you learn and see if it gives you anything of what you're looking for and then if when I can join a gym myself then I'll report back on the results of my my self-improvement efforts as well. And I can get the. Idea I had not thought about that. The you get sort of personal question what you're trying to feel you guy. I see they're sort of a middle ground of I've been in situations where punching someone knows it was not the answer, but it basically was just to they're mad and I just have to say look this isn't my problem You're wrong I'm right and I'm not going to help you. I'm not going to this, figure it out yourself and they're. Mad Yelling I'm in a Wa and you have to walk away and that's the sort of thing that just really excruciatingly difficult for me to do. I feel that stuff pretty pretty intensely to I marvel a lot of people who were able to go through experiences and go through things where they just they don't care. Right they generally don't seem to care what other people think, what other people think about them, what other people think and I'm probably like you it's probably why you like listen to my show right I'm I'm I'm pretty emotional and pretty empathetic So I don't I don't know I do know that while I still think of myself as fairly. Empathetic. I have. I have stopped caring nearly as much I used to. And part of it I think would be due to some of the conflict and exposure that I've experienced during radical personal finance it's thick and my skin. And I I think at the end of the day, what you're gonNA find is the only way to get comfortable with with conflict has to go through it, and so if you choose what you what kind of conflict you want and choose what kind of conflict you don't want and then start to do it in time it'll it'll it'll get better but I, think it's probably just a muscle like anything else and right those of us who who had the personality that we sought to avoid conflict. We didn't get the same kind of exposure that other people did an early age to that. To those results whereas other people at an early age, they experienced so much conflict they just stopped caring they stopped carrying how the other guy felt and they just walked away and so I don't think it's healthy to not care about how you leave other people but. I guess but I don't know of any any. Tactic that would do it I mean I was tempted to make it crack about. Go Buy yourself a Maga hat and. And but but going where it someplace that Maga- hats are are not encouraged. But at the end of the day, like most of that stuff is counterproductive as well. So. The best. I got four years maybe a fight. Jim Or maybe start a blog and just putting your ideas out there. But I would I would emphasize is I don't think that everybody has to have the same kind of personality and so while I admire people who seem to not care like I admire president trump for his seeming. Like, lack of well, that's not true because he he obviously cares tremendously what other people think I admire people like the admire people who are in those like massive public situations where everybody's you know half the half the world hates them. And yet they keep pressing forward but I don't particularly want to become them. So. Short answer try boxing maybe longer answer I don't know but I'll think about it and if I come up with something than than let you know it's it's an interesting question I don't think I was trying to get out is I don't think you have to intentionally try to change your personality I think that the best solutions are not to try to become somebody who were not but rather to say where are my strengths and how how are those strengths best understood and then how can I control for the weaknesses? So the fact that you feel Dispute, very personally when that happens. I don't think as a negative thing I think is something that is, and so the day I feel the same way right when when I. Five a relationship that is out of whack if somebody decides they don't like me they're gonNA leave or whatever. It it causes me I get sick to my stomach because I'm like, but but but I care about you and I want the best for you and don't you understand that whereas other people just they're oblivious to it, and so I don't know I don't feel like I need to change I feel like I want to keep my empathy empathy, I wanNA. Keep my care for other people. But I know in my head that I can't allow this emotion to control my life and so that's emotion. Lock it up give it a few days. Everything look better in a few days and then move on with life I don't think you should try to change yourself into somebody that you're not in that way. I mean I think that? I think you're saying what I'm hoping. Care you know I feel like. I do rental houses and so i. Have already had, and if I can do that I assume we'll have in the future. The much tense discussions with tenants and I WANNA make sure I don't. Give off the vibe of Oh. This is the guy who can walk all over 'cause. He just wants you to be happy and then I agree to things I should not agree to in the heat of the moment that her my family or my cell financially or or even worse potentially and more. And haven't had any sort of situation like that. But I know that could happen or even just you know hiring and firing contractors like the idea of having to go up to the contractor and say, Hey, man, you didn't work I'm. You know here's what our context as that. I wrote carefully so that I, could. Not Pay Much, you're supposed to a few screwed it up. You're not getting paid though. You know you're gone goodbye here. You're like five percent of the payment or whatever. Like that would be. Excruciating to contemplate and I'm not sure I can actually follow through on it so I just wanted to be. Developed enough to. Not Do that everyday I don't live like that but have the think. Run into. The way that I account for things like that is just simply to focus on. Leading up front with the information and so I do think you need to pay attention if you're going to be in real estate and you're GONNA be dealing with contractors you've got to do you've got a plan for that that's going to happen, and so the way that I would plan for that is I would say you know I don't love confrontation. So what I need in order to feel comfortable with confrontation is I need to be confident that I have communicated very clearly and I need. To lay out in advance what the expectations are, and so the time to solve for that conflict in advance at the first meeting with the contractor. Here's what I expect. If you do this, here's what I will do if you don't do this, here's what I will do and then as you say laid out on paper, make it clearly listen I want you to know. I'm expecting this and then when somebody doesn't doesn't when when they break the contractor, they don't meet your expectations then you say. This is what I'm doing and you just discipline yourself not to feel bad. You communicated in advance you warned everyone that needed to be warned. So I think he just disciplined yourself in that way but you but. That's how I handle that whenever I have discomfort as I as I know him to be a difficult situation. So let me plan ahead for it. All right final call today we'll go to mark mark walk into the show Hawkins serve you today Sir. Thank you up for taking my call. Hi, we have a question on a real estate purchase that essentially the disclosure so that the. There are at twenty five percent which I guess are not considered adequate. For the Hoa that. Looking to. Purchase. In. Ants just wanted to get your input on that. We you know we currently live in a condo and looking to move to a bigger unit. So, if I understand the question, you're looking to move to a bigger unit. You're looking to buy a CONDO and as part of that condo purchase, you will have to be involved in the homeowners association but the disclosure documents of the Homeowners Association indicate that the Homeowners Association does not have the amount of money that they should have in their financial reserves. Is that correct? That's correct. Do. You know why don't have. Enough money reserves. I I don't really know it sounds like maybe the board was did not finding a head over the year because you know in our current Hoa we have sufficient reserve, even fifty percent level and they're down at twenty five percent. Yea So it is a major risk because let's start from the big picture. I think it would be silly for me to say something like, Oh, just never by an H. away all of that's how I feel. So what state are or where is this going to be located? California. Okay. So I don't know California law, but I do know Florida Law with homeowners associations, and if California law is anything like Florida Law, the Homeowners Association has vast power and you have very little power and so you can understand why that is the it's not that doesn't make sense. But let's talk about the powers that a homeowners association has at least in Florida while you recognize this is state dependent and so I don't know California you need to consult somebody knows California law but for example in Florida if the Homeowners Association says that you have to pay something, you have to pay it. If they squander the money or they use it, poorly, you have almost no recourse other than to get involved in the board and and go through the formal process of being part of the board. And even to the point where if you don't pay your home owners association dues or you don't pay. Your. Homeowner's Association assessments the Homeowners Association has the legal power to foreclose on you to sell your property at auction in order to recoup their dues and they do they are very aggressive at least in Florida in my experience and so the quality of the Homeowners Association board is of utmost importance. But when you deal with the Homeowners Association board, you're often dealing with a very unwieldy entity, a very unwieldy political entity that subject to major political pressures that subject often to major you know in two major conflict, etc. it's very, very troubling. And the Homeowners Association doesn't run its affairs well, which one of your indications is that it's underfunded. So something is going on there's no promise that that's going to get better. Now, it could all right I've had family members that their Hoa was total failure. The community was totally mismanaged, but basically they came in the got a new board elected. They did some shareholder, some some unit holder activism, get some certain people elected. Those certain people fired the management company hired a new management company, and over a period of years, they were able to turn the Hoa around but this very significant. Very, significant effort in required a tremendous amount of time and there was no sureties of success and the problem is that your investment in home is going to be largely driven by how well that Hoa does if the Hoa is broke and the building starts to fall apart, then that's going to dramatically impact the value of your unit if the building starts falling apart. And repairs aren't done. That's going to dramatically affect the among repeated myself a your value, the unit if repairs are done, and now there's excess assessments will that's going to dramatically assess the address, change the profitability of your of your investment, and what's more is now that's part of the record these assessments have been done, and so it's it's a very, very significant risk. It may be unavoidable risk and it may be a small part of your of your life. So the way I would look at it would be what are the total benefits I'm GonNa get how am I going to get bigger unit? Are there other options sometimes there's not sometimes your back is against the wall and you gotta go into a questionable situation hope hope for the best. But. I. Think. You should be very, very, very cautious. In a situation like that, I would think that if you could find a decent rental deal, it might be worth renting for a time until you see how things are going to shake out that has pros and cons, but you should definitely be concerned because if you see signs of mismanagement and if you see signs of financial mismanagement. There's no guarantee that things are gonNA get better. If things don't get better, it can make a big big impact on your life and where there is one form of mismanagement, there may be other forms of mismanagement as well. So you should be very, very careful. Can I ask? A follow up question says So if if we stay in our current unit, it is the. Paid off. would you recommend? Borrowing money out of it. They do cash, refi? though that. Maybe. If things go down later in the next year. It might be more buying power. You don't borrow money on the first of all. If you move, do you plan to keep this unit as a rental or do you plan to sell it? Keep it as a rental. If. You keep this unit as a rental. Do you have the money that you can pay the necessary expenses to by the next place? Yeah. Do. You had at least at the condo level single family homes or more. Do you have the money that would allow you to do you have other money it's not all in these wouldn't be all in these two pieces of real estate. You have other savings, other investments. Retirement. May. Lake bring. Yeah. It's Har-. It's hard. I think you borrow money where you can get the best terms but I wouldn't just put a mortgage on the House that you're living in just because you can unless you had some clear use of the money and you said, I, WANNA have three doors instead of just two and so I'm GonNa, use that to make down payments. But no I I would probably keep the first unit mortgage free and move into the second unit myself unless you can present some compelling alternative use of the money. Okay Okay Cliche. Input on both of those. My pleasure. Thank you for calling in and congratulations on paying off your house. May You continue to experience success in all of those things? I do think that before any of US get involved with Homeowners Association again I'm I don't WanNa be dogmatic. It may be unavoidable given the where you live and what's available, but it's not hard to find a lot of horror stories associated with homeowners, associations and. While I actually now at my current age, appreciate some of the things of a homeowners association more than I did five or ten years ago. It's just very difficult to conceive of giving one more. Unit of of one more political unit control over your life. We have so many rules under which we live. So many things that can be so difficult that when you add one more layer onto, it can be very difficult and when you're dealing with that that that. Political Unit. 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Episode 147 - Mike Glover

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Episode 147 - Mike Glover

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He is an ex army green beret also known as special forces. He then was a CIA contractor Watt and then of course got out and started feel craft survival. I we talked for three and a half hours I'm not even going to try to explain what we talked about. All I can say. As I'm looking forward to round three. So let's get into round two episode number one, Forty, seven with the man himself Mike Glover enjoy. A smoke. Norfolk. Worship. Small? Thank God for Youtube. They for Youtube and Google right yeah. I spent hours I the first thing of course I was what does Joe Rogan have in his studio and there is Five. Web Pages dedicated Lee that all the details to so just to Chink Chink Chink and then I, also I'm going to be honest i. have a slight advantage. I just got a hold Jamie his producer and said, hey so what do I need to do and he means he wrote me out a list as Roger that Mike and Beware. If you send me some crazy shit I'm going to buy some crazy shit. Please just give me the bare essentials. I don't need the Millennium Falcon like you guys have. Man. This is cool because it ties into this bad ass would table which is made from wood and Montana, with a dude that I do Jujitsu with who like fully crafted guy cut down trees at my house where we did the first podcast. Put this whole thing together and like the legs of it has got some metal. that his buddy did it's awesome. So this is from your property. The would is not from my property, but the I wish I think. I don't know shit about with, but I think you have to let it season for. Two So this is older but Like the living at it it's awesome and I love the craftsmanship and artisan shift of some of the people up here. Love it man it's unbelievable I. Love It. I just did a post on a cowboy hat that I get from billings Montana thought what so awesome wasn't it? Like twenty years old to have. That was the the hat I was actually holding was a charcoal color, but it was twenty one years old and Patina like it doesn't. Even. Look like that. When you buy a new, it looks gray but that hat looked like it was brand new almost. Yeah. The the condition of after twenty one years like ranch living I'm my damn and eat three of them I, didn't get three thousand a piece by got one. Yeah, and then I was looking the only thing I think I deviated from with Joe was the arms holding the microphones because you often see them coming up and Angle Yeah I like this because it's straight across, we can see and there's no I've had four people in here before and there's no. There's no issue with looking across to making eye contact Shit? Interface. Yeah I don't like that either yeah. So it was low Yeah, then that I basically just spend a Lotta time on the Internet and Amazon Dot Com or do you have these mics or these headphones into filter? They. Okay. So it goes down through the table. Yeah. Have you ever heard measure twice cut once yes. Okay. So we. Drilled the holes for these young directly into the metal beams that are supporting the table because we didn't measure. We eyeballed it which is why they have these little. You know little plug there between. Speaks digital cable. Yeah. So Cameron just like fuck. Me Just made this table in the first thing we did was drill hole rattlers. which is like a new car, right? You might as well. You need to like Oh we need to do with a new car is flip your knife open like chip the paint somewhere can calm down because. Let's see over it's over with. So within this table being this room for twenty minutes, we had drilled two holes in the wrong place. which he plugged amazingly. So everything goes down and then around behind you and it goes through. Our headphones are on. spot by behind the chair, you might not be able to see it. Yeah. But the mics and stuff all goes into a I don't know what to call it anymore. It's the headphones it's just a boost. Yeah and then everything else you know you have to have the interface between the digital signal, end the computer, which is the red box underneath, and then I just were recorded live I use audition because I. Don't know much about anything I, find it to be the easiest program to use. And this this set of ghetto. Cell phone turned around and just like record disabled I not doing that. But I'm doing what I started. The same thing. I had a little Mike with the little pop filter in Zoom, and then I went from that to the road cast or which we're using last time as you know what? I have nothing else to do during this time period might as well. I'm going to try to I'm going to try this is like your firebase you're just upgrading. Well, there's one thing that's left. That's coming, and that is the Guinness calculator. And I think I'm going to have cameron drill one more whole and I think I'm going to put the tap directly there. That would be bad. But do you know of any other podcasts city that has an actual alcohol dispensing device on table? Yeah. So you'll have to get up no I WANNA make sure that everybody is going to be economic right? Everybody needs to have the chance to reach it. So we'll just go the Guinness coming directly out of the table are sponsored by Guinness no no, it's a reverse sponsorship I think I turned the lights on and off with them. It's so man, it's delightful. It's like in an ice cream in a can. I love. Well, first of all I love Calisto and whitefish like this area. Yeah. Do such such an amaz-. It's like for me. It's like literally feels like therapy if you know how you like you're in. You're in bog. Room. and. A whole bunch of shit which doesn't feel like therapy. It doesn't at all I feel like overwhelmed and then you get to the firebase and everything's quiet. That's how I feel like the the helicopter just dropped me off and I thank God him home, and it feels like that here man I love it here although unfortunately, obviously, you got to see it. Once. Without this ridiculous smoke this smoke just showed up yesterday i. saw that I was in Bozeman, I, looked at it last night. What does that smoke from I think I think we still have a westerly wind. So I believe it's blowing in from the western states while man those guys are been, they're getting old man crushed and the thing is this valley it's. The people will talk about it like Oh, the valleys a bubble, and they're talking about like socioeconomic stuff, which is true. Yeah. But it's also a weather bubble because there's mound on the West item on the east side. So this stuff that there's a high pressure. Just get smashed and he'll be like this for a few days. It was hot as hell yesterday here it's an it'll be like that again today I couldn't believe it. It was hotter. Or is actually hotter here than it was Bozeman and then Utah were drove from and also how does that work like how does how does that work words hotter here in this little pocket than it is anywhere else I have no further like near Canada we're near Canada. We are sixty miles as the crow flies from Canada well, but they won't let us in right now. Yeah. The invisible enemy is shutting the gates. I. Mean I think they have commerce going back and forth. Yeah. But you just can't go over. I. Don't think you can go you. Basically kick around for tourism. That's so dumb. The invisible threat I saw the stay vigilant. Twitter the CDC do you see that yet? This the CDC dropped the I can't keep track of the number of times that the CDC is going back home. They said, well, they said a smoke. Is Not. Going to help you from. And I'm like, how does that work and there's dudes justifying they're saying they're talking about droplets water like the droplets of water is the virus and measured in nanometers. That's what they're talking about. They're not talking about literal drops of water. They're talking about droplets of Saliva, which is ninety nine point, four percent of Arizona's droplets, ads, droplets, and so there it's not going to protect you from smoke particles or particulates, but it will protect you from Kovin, and everybody was like what in that hope that tweet doesn't have a lot of interaction engagement and straight from CDC. What's up with that? Let's be honest. If. That implies that everybody is dishonest. I mean. So I did A. Couple podcasts with Brian Bishop a buddy, my marine corps in an inflame the Internet to degree we were chatting about masks. My thing is if masks if it really. If it was incredibly important. They would tell you what type to where they wouldn't say it could be a t shirt or a SCARF ORASAC over your face worship correct. It's like come on they either they either matter or they don't matter. True. So what is actually going on here? Yeah we give me give me pause to think yeah. Would you remember when it originally came out? Everything was it's not all the experts came out and they're like it's not gonNA work mass don't work and I was actually like but wait a minute like the nurses where mask I know in ninety five mask do like, why would you even put that out? Wait a minute, and then all of a sudden mass where the thing and then all those experts recanted their statements and I'm like, dude, what is going on now and I supply and demand as you may be an I buy into that maybe but the fact that The handkerchief is going to be called a mask or a skiing buff over your neck or people just t shirts around their face. It's like come on. You can't tell me that that all works effectively the same way I had a lady sitting next to me I I have a DVD more right said you probably do from getting smashed in the face so many times and or shooting cargoes doffs until your nose bleeds. that. Routinely. So this this lady was next to me and I couldn't breathe and I kept telling my mass just breathe through my nose and take a breath in my mouth in put it back over on the plane and she's like you need to get what I got and she'll she pulls out. Her mask and it looks like a pair of lace like it looks like panties and it's the lace portion of like I guess stocking or pennies it this what you're describing may have started its life as panties I it literally could have been panting like she could have pulled them out of her pants, but she goes us this and I'm like but that's not even because nobody mad it doesn't matter if they don't even say anything I'm just going to do that I'm GonNa make a mascot of like a fishing net this. The big fishing. The fish. It's a mask man. Yeah, and then there's Listening. To the World War canceling Halloween that's the one day where you wear a mask. Yeah, and for kids I do it for the children. I mean at least for the kids I, actually spent far too long. On the Internet trying to find a stormtrooper mask yes I was gonNA wear until I grocery stores just to mock. Oh. Yeah and I'm not mocking people dying everybody calm the fuck down I. Am WanNa have fun with Shit Sandwich that we're all eating. So why can't I wear a stormtrooper mask? And people like you have to wear West Lake obviously I am. I'm I'm GONNA wear a full suit, Assu Cape Capes or the barriers between us code. It's pretty crazy man God. You're a stat guy to you saw the was at six percent. I don't know if I'd call myself a stat guy but I. Love Hard Science and math axe I like facts math hard science statistics, i. You know what's funny is Talking to you about that, and then even listening to Joe and you guys it's it's interesting because. I've always been that kind of guy dip but on a big stage, you guys are doing that and that's important because so many people hypothe- and I've seen you check people with stat I think my hand I can't bring some some grimy. Shit. I can't show up like Hypotheticals. Have some analytics fine. What I'm talking about I like that though I'm all about pathetic as long as the conversation is framed around this being hypothetical, we can work your way through these ideas I love the economy and Commerce of ideas. But I also think as an individual like if I, sit down and have a conversation with somebody I feel like I need to have an understanding of where my position comes from. Yeah, and it's okay if your position comes from emotion but just don't confuse that with your position coming from something that is based again in the hard science or math. Or fact, yeah especially your arguing right and you're trying to convince people of it to get get on my team at least that that's what I can't remember her this recently. But I'll listen to audio books like you guys on the road and I'm just inundated with information but there was guy talking about layers of communication. Oh, as Tim Tim Kennedy, somebody ten, and he was talking about how he wants people to talk like if you really want as a Beta point, big listener be an advocate for being a good listener because the more somebody talks the more their story becomes a like it comes unfolded and if you're if you're faking the funk, we know this because like. In the military everybody sees that it's very transparent and you want that. So you WANNA debate or you want to suppress keep talking, and let's see what your true arguments are. Let's see at the root of it what you love how framed it too. So stupid people to keep talking I noticed him. Yes. It's so true. We gotta be big. Are you GonNa let me talk a lot on this don't. You can say whatever you want I. Actually I mean the first podcast we did with the Internet ablaze us all that. Yeah. So I think this one will probably. Go organically to start that kick that off. Here's the thing I've learned. Awesome conversations will happen if you don't hit record right away, worst thing that could happen takes up a megabyte recording device. That's true. Hit the road. We're on it right now we've been on for like Tony Love. So. I got great feedback from that and especially with the conversation that we had about killing people unusual. Hundreds of messages from people who and most of them they they followed a similar trend one. They were shocked that we were able to openly talk about it from that perspective, and secondly, they were thankful that we pulled the veil back on that. Yeah. A little bit and it wasn't something that I had and actually had a few friends reach out to me and say that's the first time you've ever opened up on that topic and I was thinking about it's like have I ever? Do I intentionally avoid it? and. It was no i. just you gotta you gotTa have the right person to have that conversation with absolutely. I think we it the same exact thing happened to me where I thought about it and said Oh. I've had those conversations but with team dudes that were standing next to me at the time. Yeah. Like where we are comparing notes or saying, Hey, would do you how do you remember that night and it was always at an afterthought but in hindsight looking back at our conversation between two guys who have different experiences in that environment and people are privy to that conversation it's gotTa be unique I I has to be a an odd thing I feel bad for them I get like. Understanding like our mindset and not realizing that we're not as normal. which took me a while in the transition. It's civilian life realizing that you may not think your normal I am this single most normal person I know. I don't have any problems at all. No residual no baggage. I hear I'm totally saying I the rumors. Yeah. I don't distrust humanity and human beings at all I. Just look at everything is fucking rainbows and gumdrops. Yeah. I'm not what you would call paranoid at all when you. Pay More coming into your driveway like this is totally normal. Disarm to why are your trees painted different colors at hundred yard increments. I don't know. It was interesting. Listening to Tim on Joe's podcast and for people who haven't listened to it I highly recommend that they do like I said, before we started, I'm always incredibly impressed with SF special forces specifically the ability to articulate the mission set like the way Tim broke down everything from J. set to the. Program's going over security the by with and through all of that stuff. I think sof and Moshe I don't know if we impact last I'm SF specifically green beret ODA types of a lot of people would just say SF and I think they're talking about. That from people listening would be soft special operations forces. I would say in my experience that the SF. Community. Is Amazing job explaining the mission set in that understanding better. So I would say the Committee for sure 'cause we're more like smash rock. Or turn turn rock pebbles pebbles into dust were very good at the had on. Why is that? You know culturally or is it is it actually got training thing now but look at we were talking to this last Robin Sage, there's no robin sage for our community it should be there should be but also at the same time, your community and the community I came from, they droop slightly from different origins and I think they drew they went in that direction and it's interesting because you know the UBT, the the predecessors of the seal team's. These men who had fucking balls that you need wheel barrels. Yeah. To carry around her ud t shirts. Yeah. Their primary weapon was a slate on their arm in a lead line. So they could go measure fathoms they would just go in before and Fabius invasions covered an axle grease which I've never cover myself and axel grease. They used to do that before themselves and excellent before wetsuits they were trying to put like a petroleum layer on for warmth. Is they're rolling in I mean you know you t shirts? Oh Yeah. Most unacceptable. The tire for any human being ever super uncomfortable. Yes. So they would throw that on. Jacques Cousteau dive mask, and they would go out and they would survey the beaches looking for you know the the. avenues in they would look for obstacles they would blow up schools. and. They would do that prior to an invasion they. So like a k bar knife on their leg and their whole thing is they were just measuring water because there's and we did this training, they were tying knots. There's a knot tied at every fathom mark on a piece of string and you just swim along the beach and you measure it you write it down on a fucking grease pencil on your arm. Predecessors sealed. So it came from that world then to Vietnam where switched from ud t to the teams. And then. I just think our pipeline it never like I don't ever remember early on in our career the term I remember hearing the term and I knew what it was, but it was never our primary mission set or you know advise and assist or going with the partner force and I think the origin and I'm speaking from outside so you can correct me but I think the origin of SF is more in that direction. Yeah, and so I think at a cultural pipeline level. Deeper but the ability I'm so impressed with him because the ability to articulate those things in my opinion makes you so much better at the execution because he defined at a granular level, the role, and if you can do that, you know exactly what your job is and you're going to be so much better overseas he's super intelligent and I've actually was within the same unit sniper school together and did a whole bunch of stuff and he's always been kind of that guy. And I think you're right part of it is the training pipeline like they teach us Indian P, the military decision making process they harp on planning in the five paragraph operations order we do. We do even in small unit tactics you're you're learning patrolling and all the things that you do in the woodland. You're still having to plan this along the way and as an I mean I want to render school when I was eighteen years old and operations orders, which was the scariest thing for me because patrolling is easy yet reacting to contact bottle drills that's easy but standing in front. Of Senior NCO's that are going to ranger school as well as a PFC, a private first class, and then having to a plan that was beat into you because it's either like you swim or you drown in I, think you're right in that kind of stuff is is heart but I've seen some dumb SF guys but just like some I've seen some dumb sealed seal dudes who look at foreign internal defense who go. I don't ever want to do that, and then I go man and they just fucked up by saying that because that. Afghanistan, two, thousand, ten, my last tour there. It was as far away from the DA direct action. That's one thing that we have to do. Did you get a bunch e mail saying I didn't understand anything you guys were talking about because all acronyms yeah. So we've got to do our best. People a literally like you asshole, put a glossary on the podcast description I'm sorry man like we were talking about Shit da raid. Yeah, direct. It'd be you know you're you're literally going to compound or a village in. Trying to find fix and finish somebody in a location essentially. Okay. So That I think is what most people to include myself wanted to do in their career. But as battlespace as mature like, oh I F one O e f One da centric or you oh, I F. Five six, seven, eight, nine, ten, probably still da centric in the six, seven, eight, nine time period on that you went over the hill and it became partner forced by through with Afghanistan exactly the same thing. So I go back in two, thousand and ten. And You know were out it fob Naba Har-. With a partner force mandatory one to one partner force either a or A and P. And some people were really resistant to it like this is stupid. You know I don't want to do this. This isn't what I signed up for your moron. If you understand fit or the partner force, it's the key that unlocks yes. The Connecticut aspect later on that's how you get on the target correct. It's like come on man this is our chessboard. Now let's look at our pieces and we had an incredibly kinetic. deployment because we smartly played the pieces that were in front of us, I think uncut unconventional warfare, and irregular warfare also bread in the relationships that you build with host nation forces. So it's all access in placement. If you're if you're involved in day to day operations that might be training, what you're able to do is all the. Second third tertiary. Elements that are required and building up the packet. I? Guess for commission warfare to be able to do the advanced Ford operations to prepare the battle for the call this operational prepare preparation, the environment O, P, which is all the things you need to do to set that place up where when it falls apart if it falls apart which most likely it will then you're prepared to go into war and that's like that's green beret one, a one which is foreign terminal defense is that access placement and our member in six working with the seals they're all young seals most of them. Were their leadership did they were there at five and four? but they were like we don't need to fit. I'm like counter terrorism foreign internal defense is the way of the means to get in the fight trust me and we started they started picking up on it more and they T- I saw young twenty two years old take a lot of pride and teaching seek you be teaching, and then they're honing their own skill sets because when you teach that's. How well, you actually know some hundred percent you become a better practitioner of the skill sets that your teacher asked my favorite question people say, why do you do this? It's like Because the guy who taught me told me to do it wrong answer. Yeah. Incorrect answer. Yeah. A lot of people. Yeah and obviously, if you're an instructor and somebody asked you that and you don't know the as you shut the fuck up this question to answer time. But that's just a that's a bullshit move because then you need to go figure out what it is. Yeah go ask you. He's like what was this? Yeah. Hey. I just had to crush studio fast tell them to shut up does anybody know the answer one, hundred percent and? Yeah I'm a big fan of of fit always has been but understanding its role because I. I mean I was guy everybody who's young we were all point. Doors and shoot people in the face like you can get there man and by the end of my career. As a even as a start major teams aren't it was. if I could facilitate the kill, which is sounds like desperation Kinda was like even if we can silicate to kill guys and try to motivate and they're like facilitate, you mean like setting the parameters like Yay. Intel and the SDR's anything we could do oh God the sucks but just the evolution of war but it's also I think. The long term strategy to win the US military? Yes. We can't commit everywhere that we need to an talking about that too. What happens if? Why were there stability and security and that's one of the biggest things. That I wish people would because I hear this, all the time as I'm sure everybody does who pays attention the complaints about the foreign policy of the United States were interventionalist route. They're in basically repeating what Tim is saying you know we're out there policing the world and and that's not the point and that's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to facilitate these people in the countries that they're in policing themselves. Yeah, and that's the long term strategy because. I mean. Let's just at the special operations community. Imagine if they had to keep the OP tempo for the two, thousand, two, thousand and ten time. It would grind people into dust I don't think it's possible. I don't think they could manage it I. Don't think they're prepared for that kind of I don't even know what you call that the the second and third order affects of that it would crush people physically physiologically emotionally. Broke jet like when I think about six seven and eight, even just those three years. That warm out I mean that I loved it and we I was super pompton motivated about life and will never get those years back but I look back on those years in a my man do we're like the OP tempo for that of like even back, the my five rotation I did nine months in Afghanistan a base and I came back and spent two months home and then went straight to work for for some stuff didn't came home went to sniper school went to freefall school, and then went straight back to Iraq again in like I, don't remember how life in my. Twenties how could you didn't I didn't don't. Yeah. That's why I'm trying to make up for it now as an old man, how much did you love that time period? You're like Oh, my God on I thought I was dabbing out away I'm like this. You're a way for us to live this as our lives you know and that is how you would be dead at thirty five of adrenal failure that's true and yeah just completely and utterly smoked. Yeah. Yeah and I think I remember commands star Major Fairus who was the at the time he might have been Jay sock. Or So calm CSM and he said we are going to make sure we take care of the guys and he started the Red Amber Green. Cycle and he's he said mandatory time home at lasted a couple months. He's like oh the wheels fall off. Let's. Let's go back to war. Well I think one of the most insidious parts of that is that the guys If. You give them the choice they'll put the gas pedal to the floor Oh yeah and I think it was I was talking with Jason Silva in he was just saying the job always suffers last. And I saw myself if I'm being totally honest and I look back. I when I was overseas. Stoked and when I was home, I was thinking about overseas and what I needed to do to go back over there. And Chit would fall off mail like a wheel coming off but the lug notes the allowed bolt on a little bit. and. Just put it to the side because the job suffers last and then you end up with is, let's say you twenty started eighteen you have a thirty eight year old early in life early in life create incredible military accomplishments. Intelligent but probably physically and psychologically at the tail end of. What they can tolerate. Yeah, and I don't think that's healthy for people at all and you couldn't stop him in the middle of that because that's what they WANNA do yeah I don't know the solution for that I. Don't think there is one I I listened to You see the one of the special missions units, a Cag- medal of honor, Pat. Pain. And I see. So, I knew pat pain when I was there and Pat Pains Rockstar it feels weird saying his name openly but is he still in he still in? Okay. Yeah. That's So there's there's rumors. Like pat, pains and Eighteen Year Guy Right. Now he's got a young guy. Pat Pain When we're together in Afghanistan, he got enemy fragmentation. He's the kind of guy who got injured went home with another guy often objective worth thirty, six enemy combatants killed. No casts all small arms. Big Gunfight. to I think two guys were wounded from from getting shot and then two guys were wounded from fragmentation loss a dog on that objective. He goes home for a couple of weeks and fights to get back and gets back. He's that kind of Guy Wins Best Ranger and two, thousand twelve. And then is just a rockstar and then on this hit in two thousand fifteen, you know selflessly he's run the bolt cutters he's he gets called he's to icy gets called up there in a gunfight the guys that are in a hallway it's one of the teams that are in the Hallway I was actually on the CIA side of this in Erbil at the time and they go to cut the bolt cutters and they can't get through because the smoke inhalation. So this is a partnered force operation by that or bilateral, which means you're operating with the one. Unilateral American force in typically a host nation force and the smoke inhalation is causing them to not be able to get through the chain and all the hostages are locked behind the door and so isis in the gunfights and everything they're clocking off their best the buildings on fire they're in a gunfight the guys I can't remember I wouldn't say what team it was, but one of the teams was inside the hallway and they're down that last magazine. In this gunfight, he comes he exposes himself to gunfire trust to unlock it switches out with one of the Iraqi a partner forces. He can't get it. He takes a breath comes back in again and then unleashes it not only do they free seventy plus hostages who most of them were Ziti, a Christian Iraqis, which is common to see a Kurdish people they break out and they set up a human wall to shield them as they're running off the ex on in the middle of the gunfight trying to get to the helicopters and you know in in the in historical terms, it is the. Hostage Rescue. Successful Office rescue conducted in the modern global war on terror probably by a magnitude, huge magnitude hostage rescues where he rescued sink of Iraqi deal like a dozen people but sat on them what you're looking for a single person. Yeah. Absolutely. The the Italian job is a good one to two guys. So not good movie as a total of. Youtube video. But all these guys and gals get off they they get rescued. And that's just like I hate to say this. But that's like a normal day like when you're doing a da hit all the technical things that are going on the stress that you're processing. The literal life of operate operator in that unit or special operations is living their life through technical means like an appeal V perspective and those things that are happening. Everyday routines except you know in this case pat pain sergeant major pain when above and beyond But I would argue that lots of guys in tiered units and special operations go above and beyond and our never ever recognize recognized ever and and nothing to say because it pat pain deserves that. But here's what I know about pain in the context of what we're talking about originally. Is He's wearing that medal master start Josh Wheeler who was a rock star in that unit was killed tragically in a gunfight his because last words were on me because he was a t. l. at the time and got killed in a gunfight and when you look at the award, which is the medal of honor. and. You look at the responsibility he's going to bear that responsibility. He's GonNa take that. But now he's no longer operational and no right now he's he's he's going back and forth with the Department of the army as he should be to lead because he wants to lead you know there's a rumor he might WanNa WanNa lead special operations units. That that's the kind of leader we need and the military but those kind of guys exist all over the special operations community from ranger. Regiment. All the way to the tier one forces and they do these kind of things every single day and none of them want valor awards because if you get honor that's taking you out of the fight now he has to he he's at thirty year A. Guy He's got twelve years where they pull them out of the fight he at the prime of his career because he's still young dude, the NAS wants to still be in the fight and now he's not GonNa. Let Him. Yeah I, think they did the same thing with Ed buyers. He got allege Afghanistan is actually hostage rescue as well. It was it was wasn't it? It was Afghanstan Afghanistan yeah. It's What would be the polite way to put this? It's too risky. For the United States military or the government. To lose that individual if they were to go back, they become they become too valuable and don't say this negatively towards the person who's receiving the award because I have nothing but respect but I feel like to a degree, they become too valuable the chess piece. And they're not willing to put them back on the board. Yeah. I feel that way to in a sense I think. I even say this way, but I think he has a broader responsibility now I agree with that too and I couldn't agree with your sentiments more than number of. Like. Things that I have seen the define bravery be so far beyond like the Webster's dictionary or valorous actions that went completely and utterly unrecognized because either nobody saw it. Where nobody said Shit about it? Yeah. Is Un- unbelievable? Yeah. Nobody cared because they were on to the next target there doing another tst or everybody else was doing exactly the same thing because that is. Yeah, it's hard to describe I. Thought I thought it was amazing that they recognized him for that effort. Yeah. Smoke inhalation is no joke. Oh Yeah. Not like outside right now. Yeah it's crazy. I. Have Only one experience with that. and. This is not to try to draw comparison between the MEL of story at all. This is a US being dumb fuck quits in Iraq. So this is. One. Right. We are still like we're so bad, ass. We know everything and then you backwards like Dumb we got very very lucky trying to figure it out. So we're role in downtown Baghdad I. Think we had borrowed kegs. panders or now what are the special vehicles that they have the painter? Anders so six or I don't know where we got them. But we were driving around in them. Sorry. Guys to death and We remember we roll up and we like L., D. outside of a compound breach went off. And there was a like a bucket of either gasoline or propane. Pretty proximal to the breach. So when it went off, it sprayed everywhere. and. I have never I've never been a firefighter I've never really seen a house kind of go up but the blackness of the smoke, and of course, looking back at this the people that we were uneven remember who you are after but I can tell you right now they didn't rise to the occasion where any of us should have gone inside of that building. Yeah. Of course we ran in. The Gore's I'm upstairs and it is so dark like I've always. Been Up. Until this point, you hear like if your house is on fire, just like just get out. Yeah. I couldn't see shit I was crawling on the floor to find the stairs like watching the black smoke come and breathing it into and I get down the stairs and it's the same thing. And as I run out. There is a fucking propane tank where the outside of the propane tank is on fire that we all ran passed on the way in great situational awareness. Oh. We just got out of there and I guess from the platforms dislike what's happened hang it's. That's crazy and I couldn't have done anything I could have been a tiger walking around in that room and I wouldn't have known it because I couldn't see anything so. When you were telling that story because I didn't know the specifics I'm like, oh my God I know exactly what you're talking about. That's scary too. It's superstar I as I remember going up the stairs and I made a left and I got about four steps and I'd literally just fell to the floor like I have to retrace my steps now. So obviously, we're outside like head odds lasers Oh everything. Oh, so you're blacked out. Done and get back out and of course, the only thing we need is a head count because we're getting the fuck out of there. But that was that was one of the most bizarre experiences that I ever had time I went into a building like that. But. I can only imagine trying to go and take a breath to run back inside to try to get people That's how ambassador Stevens was killed really smoking elation. So when when we are deployed in October Libya. the State Department now was big on looking at the circumstance they finally paying attention and we hit the ground and we looking at crisis action plans and hey, how can we mitigate this and one of the ways we one of the tactics they use was the tires they would set there were throwing the. Most horrendous smoke. Because if you have seen it all I've seen it in Yemen of ran over tires they're trying to burn in front of us a checkpoints, but it's common in the Middle East. Africa. And they let the tires on fire and push them through the slats in the in the compound walls that there were bars. So you couldn't they wedged them they wedged through there and then set them on fire, and basically you know will the tires inside but that smoke inhalation is is what cost ambassador Stevens? His life and you know unbeknownst to. The popularity of all the circulation of bullshit about him being you know raped and. Mutilated dot none of. That's true. He he died a smoke inhalation effect. The picture that you see of him being pulled out people would think those terrorists those are actually good people trying to trying to help him. You know inherently the Libyan people actually. Super Friendly. But. Aka. P. Rent remnants of terrorist organizations come in there and showed occupy that that that vacuum that was left behind but they're trying to help him and then he was evacuated and he died a smoking Latian man I can't that. That's scary man. You can see in that picture he's so ashen and always Allard I think I. I. Mean I would imagine if I had stayed standing I probably a couple of good breasts of that probably would have gone. Oh Yeah. So and you lose in in the thing is That's what happens you lose consciousness and then you're stuck in it, and then you're stuck in their breathing it, and then basically your oxygen levels did nothing just pass away you go to sleep you never wake up again. Thanks Yeah Scott people a hot tip if you see a propane tank that is burning outside. Maximize your distance from that propane. To people like with Special Operations The reeds palm trees, and smoke of any kind you can't see through night vision and laser you get your lights your infrared light will not cut through that actually if you turn it on, you're going to see less. And then white light does the same thing. So you're blind your just. Darkness as well. Yeah. You got about fifty thousand dollars worth of year on you and it doesn't work. It's all useless. It's crazy. One man I wish I got some. Time you know. It would have been underwhelming for you looking back in your career it just. Their immediate was Kinda like a smash. Complete overwhelming. Fire Pierce Superior Order. Technological superiority. And it wasn't until later where that vacuum was created and then people started coming to get their Jihad on. Yeah and that was that was later Oh af one was. I think it's the uncertainty that would entertain me Oh for sure. Yeah. You guys you're going in there and you have your like this is like what's going to happen my first real world target ever the number one bio target. In Iraq, we were looking at it before we went mop level for there's which is mission oriented protective posture yeah. I, don't know how to describe to people what it feels like to wear it. Now, there's a garbage bag over your face. Ventilated or I did okay A. Ventilator. which is basically. So gas masks traditionally, we'll have one canister scrubber canister that has a certain amount of life, but we had a hose that went to our back that had two canisters and it was a battery powered blower essentially, but I just put my weapon sling over the host which was awesome. Yes, a mop level four is the highest level protective posture just imagine wearing. Garbage bags underneath a firefighter said a turnouts with a set of garbage bags over the top in a son in a sauna, and you're on a assault bike doing calisthenics. And admitted out. First real target ever Dorgan or shot in the face from me so that I was like, oh Lee fuck. Sixties and me. For our even worse hour flight. Oh. So we'd left from our and a flight of I. Believe it was four forty sevens and four sixties. They sent a C. One thirty with little birds in it to do a desert landing strip. They landed. Pulled the little birds out join us in flight with the snipers on it wo- for the For yes it was amazing right? WHOA. Flexing a little bit of fire security. So. That goes down I think it was on the second forty-seven there's like ten rounds or so into the first one, twenty round north not a person other than the door gunner obviously, he lived I don't think he was the same afterwards because kind of peeled off the back of his head. But. I didn't realize how ridiculous it was until the next morning we got back woke up. Walked out to see the helicopters and they're just stitched with bullets the nighttime it there was a nighttime. Wow. It was the first in the first hours of away F one tail. Yeah. Successful hit Define successful dry whole hundred percent dry hole. The number one can bio target in Iraq was an agricultural school. Really Yeah. I've hit some of those I ripped off all of my mask and Shit as soon as I started seeing textbooks I'm like I don't care rather dive. Seren gas than suffocate I started in the Texas. Did you look in the textbook I just saw tomato on I'm like. Fuck me man. So. Yeah. That was number one just go into was number two, and then that's a big one. That was blown out of proportion. You know again, it talk about you know the ambassador in Libya. A lot of the people around her where they were trying to do the right thing they were trying to get back to American forces they put an ambulance, they tried to get her back to a checkpoint she ended up getting the ambulance got shot at because well, insurgents were not even insurgents it was the Fedayeen at that time. They were using ambulances to move around an cover as their cover. So they just pick something that in the days before that, you know what I mean. Now the Americans are conditioned to getting shot at. So they're shooting at it from like a long distance like, Hey, you need to stop and get her. Yeah. But you know we we know resistance on target. She was being cared for by doctors. It was cool to get her out of there but it was definitely blown out of proportion. Yeah. One of the coolest things about this. PODCAST is I sat talked with her about it for and really cool. Yeah. She needed to. She had never sat down and had conversation with somebody on the other side where you was it in person interview. Yeah. That like it was surreal because I didn't go into the room with her my team leader and one of the PJ's were the ones in there that were providing medical care after she left we stayed for hours because we're GONNA find the bad guys. They'd already left you know it's like, Hey, we're move along so. and then we move onto the next and then and we so we were in Baghdad. I don't know maybe forty, eight, seventy, two hours after that and it was every night. Essentially you know dusk until dawn just banging target some good. Some bad dry holes figuring out the intelligence cycle because at that point we were pushing so hard that essentially they were fleeing. Yeah. Yeah. So there wasn't a lot of resistance, but to be able to go back and sit down and talk about it from her perspective and what she experienced, and I wouldn't want to put words in her mouth but I personally believe she was used as a huge chess piece. Yeah. Right I remember when it first came out that she was rescued I remember hearing on the news Jessica Lynch, thought to her last round should be the first female medal of honor. Recipient and then you look in she never going to have to try she got knocked unconscious weapon GM. Like what's like stop using these people as fucking chesapeake salesman the scuffing it's not fair to them. It's not it's not fair to the answers a truck driver eight. Mike think think she was in the back of a non armored Humvee I think they hit a truck I believe they. I believe they hit a semi. But yet was it total ships in a big convoy? She was in a big wall she was supposed to be in a big big convoy, but there was a contract. Yet, and they weren't under contact but they they were visibly separated took a wrong turn. Ended up downtown. Now's a rea-. In the early days you're studying around yeah. Fuck wits is it didn't fed at he. Can't even say that FEDOR. Heen. fetter him I don't know. How about fuck US people didn't they become the leadership isis somebody was just recently telling me that I lost control of the Hydra snake. You know because started in Afghanistan right Taliban in Iraq we were fighting the Iraqi military and then it morphed to al Qaeda. And then I started hearing about Isis. And then I still and I lost I kinda lost control or an understanding of where the Hydra. Begin. I could see it. Somebody's telling me that the. Fed were rolled up in a lot of them were put into Guantanamo and then later this is later. Net. Guantanamo Gitmo. Guantanamo wait wait which wants to win nail has tournament. Winning Iraq Goddamn it where they had the. Pyramids Shit. We cleared that prison. It was I did one hit on it too hot damn. It did you go into the room that was full macaroni no macaroni in their bro. Like, the whole room was full of macaroni bro Okay so We're clear in this hospital. Where like an outlying section? And go running into a room into like I'd take a step in and it goes like all the way to my waist to fuck and macaroni noodles dry noodles. Yes I don't know why. I don't know what the fuck they were there for, but I just backed out and went to the next room because I, assume there was nothing bad. Macaroni News. Abu. Ghraib. That's it. That's it, but you never saw the macaroni room because that's the VIP is the macaroni did a Story with is there's somebody else who was your number two guy at I might have been the number two guy it was. So fucking bizarre non sequiturs going on what are you talking about it? How was just like? Is this is happening? I'm sure it's been cleaned out by now but that fucking memory sticks with me because it makes no sense whatsoever that place is kind of weird but that was yeah that was a big Arabe which turned into literal and figurative. Shicho. And that that whole thing was at tobacco and what I heard is. Those guys got put there and this is after all the controversy with. American. Forces. That they got broken out in two thousand, a Masuma, thirteen rep four, all the shit went down. And became the primary leadership, which is Kinda crazy. If you think about like the beginning the origin story of where they were at were. We roll into Iraq and we don't just say which I think is a bad strategic decision where we say, hey, everybody who's in the military you're all waiting to be combatants. Now we're going after you. Probably don't because if you actually talk to the generals which they have a pretty good hierarchy in their chain of command and you say, Hey. Generals we are going to take all these guys and we're going to give you the opportunity to make this the Iraqi army and work with them some way instead of going, you're fucking on the deck. Which I think is a bad move and caused a lot of issues and that. Evolved itself in progress itself into Isis fucking. Insane I could see them becoming the leadership if they were all slammed into a boo grape together Just like I would imagine happened it Gitmo I I would imagine to get placed get. You probably have to be a touch more extreme radical and you're at least I have no idea at a complete assumption on my part. But I can only imagine that people at Gitmo a coming more radicalized not less. So if you smash these people together the Fedayeen people together. I could see them thinking thinking plotting is time think you know discussing what we're GonNa do and then get out and poof? How come nobody's talking about the fact that trump did crush. Trump didn't crush but as under chief. Launching. Special Operations which I think was the best. One of the best tactics in modern military history. And the fact you don't hear a lot about it except for you know even recently two thousand fifteen. That was early on in the fight against Isis but the Syrian fight in Aleppo where we lost dues from Fifth Group, he lost dues from the unit. We we lost dudes from all over. And we crush them. I mean annihilated off the face of the planet. Never is talked about I think it's because people are unable or unwilling to separate trump as a person between trump as the commander-in-chief. Yeah. True. I think at I don't know if that's A. A just a mental gap that they can't cross. And NSA. The basis of what I see here in read on social media, it almost doesn't matter at all human beings have their flaws and trust me I have some pretty severe issues with the way that trump conducts himself but I have no problem admitting where those issues are. Also, you know what you fucking kicked ass on this particular issue. But I think that requires a little bit of nuance and then you start to blend the ideologies of the left and the right like, Oh, no, I land in the middle. Is this I'm you know I don't think people like that. Yeah. That's what I see at least it's either you are here and with us or you over here and you are against us and there's almost no gap in between by that divisiveness. That's that's that's really it's convenient. It's the easy way to go. Right? You could say, Hey, you're on the other side of the team I'm GonNa draw the line in the sand. This is easy for me because I'll just simulate with my friends. In most of those friends are virtual friends on social media. Versus coming to some commonality which you don't have to. Now, you don't have to talk to your neighbor. You only have to look at people. You could probably do a job for the rest of your life and career never even interacting with human beings especially now with all the Kovacic going on, it's it's interesting well, and then to go back to tim on Joe. Show talking about if you choose to do that or you're forced to do that and you curate the information that you are absorbing and it's only from what you agree with and you don't have that ecosystem of ideas and ideologies that can bounce up against. Let's one of my favorite things is to see read something in like bounces up against what I believe. I'm like Then you have somebody from the black lives, matter movement Or assault. You say it was I. Mean I don't know I would have to let her her name's Francine or Samantha Francine. Yeah. I don't know where she would put herself in perspective to the actual black lives movement organization, but she was here in Whitefish and. it was brought to my attention because there's this towering white dude just trying to scream her down and she is standing her ground wait on her toes. Just Ida. I with this and I was like, fuck? Yes. Like I want to hear about your life I want to hear what led you to that point where you stood up to that person as opposed to backing away some people lost their mind. How could you have this person on who supports black lives matter and I'm. Like that's what you WanNa do you WanNa hear their perspective and not even that it's like I wanna I wanNA talk about the woman and if she talks about things that she believes interest, she brings a black lives matters I'm gonNA listen that doesn't mean that I agree but I'm going to listen in think about it and hopefully refined my position in the world and what I think yeah I look my whole thing on this on the bill ending especially is if you have a rational If you have a rational. And that idea is to. Progress, your ethnic group religious group, whatever group you belong to? And you WANNA line that plan out and you WanNa talk about it. and. You're not hurting anybody I'm on board that and even as even as a movement the problem that people a lot of people especially for right don't realize. Is it so decentralized it completely design by design because the benefit is you don't have to take credit for the things that are bad but you could take credit for all the good and you don't have to be associated with the violence. You say, we don't support any violence and then violets continues to happen and it just it is what it is. They sit there and they try to wash wash your hands clean. So it it's beneficial operating decentralized in all means of task organizations I mean it just how it works. So people don't realize that people inherently flawed I mean, that's just that is that is the start point right? If we understand that and then looking at this argument. When you look at people that are involved in this organization most of them, I would say most of the majority of them don't know what they're involved in. They don't know the Marxist. Ideology tied to the root of the founders. That's that's illustrated on their about us on their website. They don't understand the in-state and goals or objectives they just want to be part of something. So when I see a this happened in Prescott Arizona which is you know my my company E we're still Prescott Arizona but we evolved and we stood up a a a I'll call shop Ford Operating Base? Called Farm Now and Hebrew city you how dare you father Soviet Sabato real people don't believe but I have the water. So I see that taking place and and there's a Prescott Arizona Bill Protests and If you go to Prescott on the median age of sixty two years old. It's a retirement community. It's a beautiful place though I used to fly in there all the time I love that. Of Tons of really good people who are just Americans who want to live their life in peace? No drama. In there are a lot of better answers of huge Federal Committee I. Think. Per capita might be the largest veteran community outside. Of. A. Town in Texas. I was GonNa say I feel like the State of Texas probably has the media They have they definitely have. High veteran population. So good community and we we operate there. We have a studio there. But there's a in protest now here's what happens. All the right-wingers calling right wingers because they're right wingers right. I'm a I'm a conservative but I'm sinner right and I hate even illustrating that but I want people to get the idea that I'm not right wing person people want to be on board with us at Phil Craft and America tendency because they're like, oh, we want to be part of this like we're what's your stance will were whatever the right wing organization has no offense but I just don't want that affiliation right because I'm not right one. Is that a thing right long I don't know if it is but I like it right one I don't even know what it means, but I'm going to use that today somewhere. Not Right. So the they WANNA get on board, but then I see all the right winger show up and Prescott Arizona Bill and protests is more likely. The most dangerous course of action is probably people tripping over each other in Prescott. But they're spitting and yelling in like a salt verbally assaulting and trying to get physically confrontational with a bunch of white people I mean, it's one in six protesters apparently in the Bela movement are black one in six, the rest of white. So you had a whole bunch of white people walking in the square protesting didn't look violent, and then you got a whole bunch of right wingers wearing catch me fuck me shirts, which is like the you know whatever the fuck name shirts right and they're screaming and yelling and I'm like man and all these people who are just normal people contact me and like what do you think about this while think the right Wong Showing up at that a bill protests are just as guilty as violent people enacting or inciting violence all over the United States like get the fuck over yourself. You're either a person who believes in in the constitution and you want you advocate for that which I do. I would advocate for peaceful protests you WANNA protest I don't give a fuck what you're protesting for. You want UNICORNS and schools fucking do it but the second you get violent everything changes. Yeah. You're outside of the First Amendment at that. Absolutely. You're. You're you're right now committing a crime and everything that you you raise your hand and stand for is Nolan void especially as a person who's conducting. Assault on human beings and hate that man I hate I hate both sides of the fringe fringe anybody Sam. I like I like I like things to fit in the pattern, and I don't mean that in a in a mundane sense what I mean. If you live your life in the pattern. Understanding that does lawn order a left and right limit. You could fucking do whatever you want. You could be a fucking former navy seal a former Green Beret and crushing business doing fucking wellness country but the second that you decide that you're going to forcibly push your ideology with violence with criminal activity with spitting on fucking people you've lost me and all those people on both sides of the French that's where we need to start trimming the fat I mean that's the conversations we need to have. I could not agree with you more and this is something. So when Bishop and I were talking, we were specifically asked a question about Tif end blm. And I intentionally tossed it to Brian. I because I know he would fuck in Cork off and I was just like here's your fucking Shit Sandwich. Any did and I got so many messages of people saying, well, what about the right wing wrote about the right wing and I and my response was first off I was asked a question about two specific organizations. So I answered that and that Inouye, means that I have either complicit or passive support. For Shit, on the right wing, it's people's actions that will make them my enemy not necessarily their ideologies it's actions I couldn't agree more in I, look when it comes to the constitution. I'm so tired of these people who WANNA pick and. The amendments or the pieces of the Constitution that apply to their argument and disregard the rest. Like the First Amendment is key but fuck everything else you know these people should be hung in the streets like Oh you don't believe in a jury trial you don't believe in an expedient trial of your peers. So you know the Fourth Fifth Amendment they can just get fucked. Or it just picking and choosing you have to value them equally or don't value them at all and I agree with you I I mean. I would I would say. oftentimes, people say, Hey, thank you for my freedoms and I stop them listen I didn't provide you your freedoms. We as Americans we we have our freedoms because they were preserved in the Constitution the founding fathers amazing job of encapsulating that and guess what I wasn't alive. So I can't help you with that. That'd be the oldest man ever in the history of the world. How ever that people who? Put on a uniform and wear. The. American flag flag American FAG. I just said that that was a slip in words I'm not going to edit that out don't edited man. They, they wear the American flag. Because it was issued to them and not rented or bought those people I think are putting their toes on the line to preserve the freedoms that we have. I didn't provide them but I think both you and I stood on the line. So somebody could stand in my face and try to argue with me about something the boils my blood and I'm gonNA. Let him do it would. I. Would probably get involved if there was somebody who was on the other side of whatever metaphorical fence fence protesting in what they believed in somebody's physically trying to stop them I probably would I would get involved in stop that because that person has the right to do it regardless of whether or not? I, agree with what they're saying but if you pick up a brick. And you throw it at me. Shit just got a lot different. Yeah. All everything that you're absolutely right because that that's that's where everything changes the your your arguments no longer valid. Yeah E-. E- everything and that's what people don't understand about these protests is there are there are numerous amounts, copious amounts of people who are peacefully protesting, but they're asked majority of vast majority are and but there are pockets of deliberate troublemakers that are inciting violence all over the United States like for this Kyle Rittenhouse kid well, you can tell based off of the arrest records and their home addresses are observer is right tourism going on for sure and there are people and I don't even want to say this term but our professional. Insiders, of violence in fuck anarchy. They're shipped, getting, mobilized, and deployed all over the United States to be part of these riots I mean, I've talked law enforcement officers. that have said they have they have targeted and seen the same exact people in different sides on different sides of the country that they've confirmed their identities and you have to be an idiot right. But when I when I look at a group like Antifa? Who is problematic in the first place your antifascist but you're suppressing and dictating where you're using ashes, tectonics, techniques, and tactics on. Your out in an open forum and maybe you think you're covering your face or you're running around being inconspicuous and stealthy and surreptitious, not even close and to not think you're not being targeted by federal law enforcement agencies that only job is to profile you and determine if you're a threat to national security, you're the dumbest idiot on the planet and so these guys we've been told is these guys are action arms. They have a commander they're running dual calms they're talking to lieutenant on the ground and there are articulating in this communication Their. Schemes. Of, maneuver. and and their tactics on the ground there dictating it based on overwatch I mean they have overwatch of the entire scene via communications and and their eyeballs. they have roving patrols and it's it's a deliberate skillset. So it's trained it's properly executed and it ties into a broader strategy, which is insurgency and when I went to people talk to me and they go. Well, my guess is really a big deal I mean it's buildings statues that technically is not a big deal to me what I'm worried about is what every movement started out as and then what you do when you take logistical support and time right when you. Stretch, the timeline it means you have more time to prepare. That's on the friendly side, and that's on the bad guy side they are preparing and they are they are in their own interest which people think they're aligned. They're very misaligned but they all serve the same purpose in getting favoritism in recruiting all the people that they have by the form they've been given by these. They're seizing the opportunity that's in front of him is what they're doing. Absolutely, it is a H-. Opportunist wet dream. You have political people in positions of power who were suppressing law and order because of the politics that are involved and allowing biting citizens to be affected at the same time, providing a huge void where opportunist or filling that void with violence with recruitment with assessment with logistical support and that ties into like will you want to see a delivered operation by insurgent unit or insurgent organization trying to conduct a coup I mean. The COO is the next thing. A coup would be the way four right you're inside Portland they don't want the mayor none of the organizations actually support the mayor who's the most progressive mayor in the history of the free world potentially on the face the fucking plan on the planet, right? Yeah. He's he's opened his doors and said commit violent ex police law enforcement. You can't do anything to prevent this by the way in my opinion is the complete dereliction of his duties. He's a criminal to me. He's absolutely a criminal if you look federal federal law. Any kind of litigation federally. He's committing acts of of crime, and so as he opens these gates, they're telling him. It doesn't matter. We want you out. They don't want any power. What do they want him replaced with? They want they want chop in a in a you? Know Academia they want they want to occupy Portland as a point. For example, they conduct a coup and now the own the governance. Now they're policing their own streets and what does that look like it probably looks like a very easy H. RT target I mean, that's that's what it looks like. It looks like A. Looks like a one minute objective secure call I mean that's a that's going to be easy target to address. I agree and. I will going to clarify this point for people who said they don't lose their mind although we are talking about organizations right now traditionally sit on the left. I. Would feel exactly the same way from organizations on the right who are taking these actions as well. It is not a matter of left or right. It's a matter of the actions that you take against either me my loved ones or my fucking country. Yeah. That's what determines it for me. I'm tired of people saying, well, you're not saying anything about the right or you need to say more about listen. If you asked me a direct question about I'll tell you and my stance is the same. It is based off of actions whether or not you think you're a threat to myself or the country that you and I both put our toes on the line to at least the the best that we can to allow people to express whatever they want to, which is not what's going on in Portland. It's not what I mean. Can you think of anything good that can come from them continuing to to write in protest one hundred plus days I mean what type of precedent is that setting that shit needs to be shut down? That's the role of the state and federal government to protect those business owners to protect us be and this is what started tribute I'm starting to see you know they're in DC and they were at the black lives matter square I believe it's called if that wasn't the name exact name I apologize but they started a protest there and then they started going into neighborhoods. And they're starting to shine flashlights into people's windows I'm like okay. That's an interesting micro escalation. You're still not really you know, but then they'll start banging on doors. What did they kicked the door in? You know now these micro escalations are GonNa lead to things that I don't think like you said, it's one minute HR RT objective secure I do not think. That these people had any idea what could potentially be waiting in the wings for them. Yeah. The the biggest problem in that is you know as it spreads into rural neighborhoods and urban neighborhoods, communities, right these are communities were people pay. Taxes to BURP, vied the support, the funding literally to law enforcement officers to react and respond to calls of danger. Right now, you have people who are for the first time half to think about protecting themselves. Now, all the sudden, the second minute matters. Now, the Senate is a priority and California. It's like Whoa we down with Governor newsom because he's he's suppressing the he's got security. We've been talking about that for years. He's got state officers that are fully armed to bear sniper overwatch providing security high capacity magazines are sure APPs Ropley automated weapons of enforcement, which by the way people. Love automatic us so weird I answered this question was with Bishop who was we were talking about do automatic weapons apply to the Second Amendment and it's my own fault for my response because I essentially said civilians don't need them which people took his I. Don't think it's covered by the second amendment is just don't ever use them on full auto because you can't hit shit is what I should set. So it's so weird. Isn't that weird will they watch a lot of movies? Yeah and you see you know a hundred brown belt going through like a saw 'em sixty and ninety eight people fall down de instead of seeing maybe the first round hit a guy and then the rest of them are hitting about four kilometers behind because the muzzle just drives. The funniest one to me is the short barrel, right? Say the short barrel is the most the biggest danger to society and I'm assuming it's the it's the way in which it's be carried in this configuration. Celia. But a longer barrel is more optimized for trajectory for external ballistic and accuracy inaccuracy. So it all that shit like. suppressors, for example, that people don't really it's so silent. You know it's their stealthy killers and suppressors still have massive amounts of decibels. You could clap louder than a suppressor is yeah and if you're using supersonic ammunition still sounds like a gunshot going by your head. Absolutely it does yes? Oh, laws are bizarre but you have this people in DC like you just mentioned now in Washington DC like major metropolitan areas like Philadelphia. CHICAGO, those people can't even have certain kinds of guns to protect themselves, and you see these people whoever it is. There's many groups and inefficiencies as well. The groups that just comical to me. I've actually talked to one of the dudes who wanted to do a podcast with me they're walking around with Ar Fifteen S I was gonna ask you about this. What do you think about these? Organizations and you'll see him on the right and the left right. You'll see the hillbillies rolling in with their kotex backwards and visible. stovepipes like just complete bolts at battery on their. A ours. And opted covers or down eight points around backwards I'm sitting there looking at this like son of a bitch, but they do have to camelback hoses so I'll give them that. Little dual hydration, and you have to run to a hydro what are your thoughts on people? So this happened here in callous bill, there was a black lives matter protested in. Three blocks away. Yeah. Wow. Well, it doesn't surprise me. Because I I think didn't go to it but in talking to both of my sons, who did it was people who were Called a generation I. DON'T WANNA. Say Behind US but a generation younger than us. And I think they they have a different form of information delivery and uptake. Most of my kids you know it's they they see it on a device and it's real. It's real and it's and I'm not saying it's a I. Do believe that inequality has happened in this country since its founding it's not perfect is never going to be, but they felt moved to go and be part of something. So they did and which showed up was probably equal number of people who were armed. With thoughts on that the people who roll in heavy there weren't there weren't play cares I don't know how many of those people actually have plates in that stuff what are your thoughts i? Think it's a bad decision. I think it's it's horrible. Here's what it is. It's horrible tactics syntax to its superintendent. So here's here's the exception to the rule my my mom she she's Korean as per my Korean is and another side no not to hijack U I got many emails confirming the racism in the Asian cultures as well. They like, Fuck Yeah. Mike was Right he said it. Asians are the most racist human beings on the planet. You can't get past that man is that is that is true. My mom she's worked forty years for her business spa in fable North Carolina and it's off of It's off of Ramsey in and near Hay street which has downtown during the bill in protest they were burning down the market place or the what they call the market square. It's because that place in the center of Fayetteville used to sell slaves. But it's a building it's a historical building. It's been there since the beginning of time it's just the building that happened to be there when the slave trade was a thing and it it did happen. So a guy tried to light on fire lit himself on fire. He actually died from doing that which is Asinine. He threw a Molotov cocktail or some kind of. Got All over him all over him set him on fire third degree burns one of nine. So down the road moms salon is there. She's been fable forever it's next to Fort Bragg North Carolina a lot of immigrants or a lot of people from different countries have came there from soldiers being married to them. Germans Koreans tie the those goes on because there's Air Force army everything's there. So her business that she worked forty years four is there and she called me once she said son I don't know what to do. I'M AFRAID THEY'RE GONNA burn down my business and they were they were burning down businesses downtown fable, their lighting stuff on fire graffiti damage. said. I'll. I'll get back with you and I contacted a dozen of my buddies or special operations who were at Brag who said, yes, they will go there and protect her business to make sure that it doesn't get destroyed a lot of people on one side of the army go. It's just a building insurance pays for buildings. Well, that's not just a building that's livelihood, right that's the means that's like coming to your house and have a lighter in my hand with an accelerate and I say, I'm going to burn down your house and if you don't let me I'm going to hurt you I'll burn you in it but you should let me because you have insurance. Well, that's not gonNA happen I'll shoot you in the face all my front doorstep. So when when we look at these buildings and we look at these people who are armed like cow Rittenhouse, right this kid seventeen years old comes from out of state like all the protesters did. And shows up to defend businesses because nobody will in I think that's a courageous act because there's so many people who want to do that. But so many people even in your own community who would never do that if it, it can be happening down the road and they won't do that. I'm the kind of guy who if I see that kind of chaos in my backyard and there are people who are being disaffected in a negative way especially by by criminals, I'm going to do something to protect them now. Am I gonNA. Stand in front of the building with a gun and body armor no, because that's bad tactics. Anything. In tag is people on the road and potentially risk your life for a statue made in eighteen sixty three for a building that does have insurance. Standing out there to antagonize that is a bad tactic. Better tactic is staying inside the building posting signs all over the walls that we will defend and protect this building and and staying back into it and defending and protecting that building from the inside because they kick in the door if they break in the window and they're entering that domicile. A lot of laws including castle doctrine and standard ground laws apply to self defense and use depending on the state depend on the state. Absolutely. There are states even California has standard ground law. Though they do very very. So drastically check your local loss because the protection of property in life and some states like Texas go hand in hand is somebody steps on your property at Texas at the the castle doctrine and your standard ground laws apply. You could actually there's actually cases of people being shot standing in property with no defined fence line and getting away with shooting somebody because that person was trespassing giving them orders and then gutting them down. So that's where. People need to research this on their own. So Montana property does not apply meaning. Land Yeah if you step into the house, that's a different story Montana is a castle doctrine about a business. I. Don't know and I tell you what? I? I think it might have been the same podcast with Bishop. We were talking about that and answered. The answer that I gave I I believe in the answer that I gave. This is the classic example of reading a question not thinking about in firing away for five minutes because I said, I don't WanNa. See People lose their life over property and I made a broad statement that. A lot of those businesses. Do have insurance. But in my head, what I was thinking I'm looking at watching videos of like target macy's yes that shit getting corporate I wasn't thinking about at least in that moment. Somebody has forty years somebody who has a generational tied to those business? Oh, thinking in my head like, is it worth shooting somebody over a purse? No, no I and my biggest point is this. I don't WanNa see Americans killing other Americans. I would. Yeah I want this the line in the sand drawn as far back as humanly possible and reasonable, and only when you're pushed to that point to include myself like I'm not going around looking for to target anybody. But if you push me, I have a very distinct line in the sand if you push me past that, what happens after that is going to be on you. So I, totally agree with what you're saying and it's an and but at the same time the. Nuance right if they're stealing a big screen TV from best buy, don't go stand out in front of it with your are absolutely not in Kyle Rittenhouse. I'll tell you what I think. He might have had the best of intentions but as a seventeen and a half year old is not mentally prepared to go out there and be close and his parents should be mother's specifically should be ashamed of herself that she took him there after watching the videos many times. In reading it, I believe that his actions were in self defense the catastrophe there was that he was even physically present one, hundred percent avoidable. Absolutely. Everything you said is exactly how I feel because that's the problem when I when I when I when I see people motivated to get out on the streets with guns, I I asked myself where the fuck is your family where where your kids? Where's your? Where's your spouse? Where's your mom because that's where you should be protecting that's that Should be standing in the threshold of that doorway with your carbon in your body armor wear that. Like. Like I think about. Our time in the military and all the things we would risk our lives for every single objective, our risk, my life, Sampo, I like picking up my kid putting it on donning it. I accepted every time that I was going to potentially die but I looked around and it was very easy to make that decision because everybody in that in that stage room kit room were men that I loved voluntarily they're making that same decision. Yes absolute, and we all had that understanding and so when I see somebody senselessly get killed in the streets because of simple exposure dump tactic don't even be out on the streets what avoid those places like the plague and just like Tim said about people running their mouth to to make themselves of Phil good about their cause and sounding stupid these people the world knows now and not the world because they're they're absolutely They're they're protagonistic about everything that's happening because of they roasted marshmallows about what's Dude it's insane but we know as Americans what's taking place in every single one of these groups are shown their ass and hopefully what that translates to. Is People voting. I mean when people say Mike, what can we do? It's not go low to fucking thirty round. Sure. You're actually already loaded by the way it's it's get ready to fucking vote on November third and be prepared to write them to make the right political decision and your local governance and the federal government's because that is how you're going to affect the most change. That has resounding effect that is A. System that is emplaced designed to make change. I'm worried that regardless of the result what we're seeing going on. And admittedly in small pockets would I am what I'm worried about is that it's not gonNA stop regardless of the Al Qaeda won't it will burn regardless it will burn dangerous course of action is. All over every major metropolitan area, you'll see violence and what I mean is. For the first time, what you'll see. Is these people who decided this is going to be there d day using weapons and killing cops and the cops are going to respond and they're gonNA kill and quotations in air quotes, protesters but they're actually violent actress. They're criminals there are criminals before the day before and the time they picked up a gun. Now they are criminals again and dared going to get in gunfights. One bad report because the media should take the brunt of this. The media will report in Portland Oregon police, engage, and kill five protesters to law enforcement officers were killed that will transcend that will evolve into gunfights in every major metropolitan area where these. Antagonists exist where they feel justified. Now to go to war, it's it's time. Now this is their war we had our war we went to war and we picked up arms and it felt good because we had a loss. Right? We had a September eleventh. We knew what we were fighting for. This is their war and it's kind of like A. We're looking through the eyes of the enemy and analyzing sussing of the enemy, and then you actually confront them you confront them in a room and you're tactically interrogating them. You realize this is just a do just like you who wants to get his gut on. The fuck when he he? He thinks he's a freedom fighter you're looking at yourself. You're like man this American flag with this kid I'm a bad ass he does the same thing every morning he looks at his s vest. It looks as has ak who said his fucking fake solo boots and he's like I'm fucking ready to go to war man and that's the same ideology they feel and they're going to pick up that arm and they're going to go to fucking war and it's not GonNa Change anything that the only thing that is going to change in America which I feel it should change is the way in we look the way that we look at our local govern governments and first responders in how they protect us because most people who pay taxes who don't give a shit about guns who don't care about preparedness, they think the law enforcement officers that they pay taxes for we're GONNA. Come to the rescue in Portland. Three weekends ago now when I was there. Sixty phone calls to nine one one for Burghley larceny even rape and he never responded why because the politicians that were in charge of them told them to address only the protest and they're prioritizing that which meant standing there getting pummeled with bottles and bricks and everything else while people law abiding tax paying citizens of this country or getting raped and nobody's doing anything about it. What does that tell you will that tells you you need to be more self reliant you just need to take. What you should have been doing the fucking first place you need to take your own reliance into your own hands like you should be. It should have never been surrendered at least from a philosophical perspective to somebody else. A thousand percent and we did it's it's the freedom by proxy is going to Characteristically. Make you complacent the that's a that's a byproduct. It's a symptom of democracy which when you feel secure in a world, you become less secure as an individual because you let your guard down you should and that's that's great. But on the back end of that, you should understand the contingency that you're willing to. You know bring to bear in the equipment that you have the sustaining of survivability, your own self defense and the defense of your family. But we we lose sight of that. So often, and then we go war that dude was a victim a victim because potentially he made the wrong decisions and he was fucking complacent. And now we can't afford to allow that to happen the wildfires in California's a perfect example of this wildfires have always ravaged California since the beginning of time I mean me and you are from California and In what we're seeing for the first time is arsonist being rolled up in mass because if you're if you're an anarchist, you know the best way to start arche is take a lighter to fuck and dry foliage in the middle of nowhere and start a wildfire. That's GONNA. Devastate people. There was a kid I think it was an Oregon. Found him dead in the back of a car holding his fucking dog. That's dead. A young child fuck to think that some. Cock sucker for lack of better terminology lit some shit on fire to create anarchy and murdered fucking child holding his dog that died as well. Just. To think that this, this isn't Yemen. This is in Libya or raccoons Game Stan. This is fucking California and Oregon. This this tells me and shows me that no matter what you do and depending on government around you you need to take care of your own. You don't need to sit there and go when's the Fire Department coming? What's the plan? I can't check the fucking media winner. WE'RE GONNA get out of it. You need to take that shit into your own hands. What's CRA-? It's even crazier to me is that if you were able to find that person who lit that, they would somehow try to justify that. The cost of anarchy Yeah Ud's set that motherfucker on fire in the back of a vehicle I don't know if this makes me a bad person, but I would volunteer to do that. Absolute. Watch I WANNA watch. Yeah man it's crazy and I think one of the big points that I hope people heard when you were talking about the defense business is that it's not actually going out and targeting and executing military operations. It's partly drawing that line in the sand presenting the like Hey, this is my castle. These are the things that we are prepared to do and they come across the line. You're not out there walking around trying to draw this mobile line that you hope somebody crosses. Your. It's a measure of last resort, but and that's the thing because I think faulk that podcast Bishop Piss people off we were talking about, what would it take for people like you to come off the bench to actually get involved and the answer for me is, I don't want to like that's the bottom line answer the one thing I think I wanna do the least in my life is killing American I don't want to. So for me, it is a matter of a direct threat to myself. My loved ones my family, but I'm not going to go out there and try to antagonize somebody to get them across that line. But if you push me across that line, stand the fuck by. People don't realize the. I'll frame this with capability. You can have a target set. Let's just call it a troupe of guys. Let's call it. Let's call it twenty guys. Twenty guys in a foreign country on foreign soil. Day Don't know the target set they don't know what it really looks like. But they have. Imagery of what that potentially looks like could land helicopters on top of those people and kill thirty plus bad guys net sleeping thirty bad guys ready to fight with Jarecki's in Berry eight PK machine guns, even sometimes night-vision goggles and we routinely do that one. Special Operation Sky. What they said a PBS thirty one big shelter Alpha. PVs threat one white sauce with a laser monitor the gun you have no like when people say, Oh, that's like you guys can enact violence. You know violence enacted or executed looks like efficiency. It looks like optimize. It's like an orchestra you don't realize it. So beautiful because it's it's it's literally being conducted until it's after you're like Oh my God I got chills in in what I don't ever just and I share that same sentiment. There's men. Just like you and me all over the US who are living in peace were trying to pay all I want. That's all we want because we've lived war for for the majority of our lives and so when I'm here living in peace. And I see people who are insurgents who want war at that don't realize what war is. For for one of us to get off the bench dude one, one me one you. Or even worse and you. It, it'd be overnight one night one night and these guys think they're violent bad ass anarchist who were going to burn down the system not on our watch it's not going to happen and I don't. I don't mean to say that like tagging housing the the people in that arena. What I'm saying is you don't want to fuck with the wrong people and what you are is you're poking your name poking fucking bear you're poking like fucking. You're poking fucking galaxy. Of. Of. Rock Stars that will fucking destroy you you. You can't even fathom the amount of violence. We made an occupation out of what seems to be currently their hobby. Yeah. Yeah. The very bad at it. It's every inefficient one. Here's the thing to it our background. Absent Training and currency, it actually loses value as the days go by. I I a firm believer that you should never outsource your safety and security to the government I. Don't believe that that's what the government was designed to do. There's mechanisms that can help, but I think as a responsible contributing member of society, you need to have a baseline level of capability. So it's great. Yeah. I spent seventeen years in the community. In two, thousand, thirteen, seven years ago. My days look like two hours a day of Jujitsu, Monday through Friday and sometimes on Saturday three days at the range per week Pistol Rifle Med kit in my car go bag in my car espionage suppress three, hundred, blackout six, zero survival. Is, a bug out back but I have I, carry with me all the time I have you know, and also I have safes it by house and we're responsible gun owner as well. It's not just like. Throw pissed on the couch and hope that it's still there when I come back. And I carry all of those things because I don't ever want to have to rely on somebody else callous bell perfect example if I'm at the south end of the valley and there's something going on at the North End of the valley and then something happens with me I can expect a thirty minute response time from law enforcement has a long fucking tight longtime and. That's better though than sixty answered calls. You know, but I want to be able to live for that thirty minutes I'm not doing any of the things that I just talked about because I. Think the Batta because I'm not a bad us I'm a fucking average dude from a physiological emotional to. intelligence perspective but I understand that world I understand the competency that can come from that and the capability that can come from that. So I'm not just going to hang the knife up you gotta keep taking stone across the blade. Is it? Got, can you imagine if you and I were able to get the reins pulled off and we were to go to places like Portland and for people listening stop screaming your phones I'm not saying I want to do that or that we are advocating doing that what I'm saying is there's a difference between a hobbyist and a professional and it's not going to go their way. Yeah. Yeah. I just my brain just goes there and I just think these guys and gals are making supersport life decisions. I C E. See this twenty year old girl. There were Molotov cocktail into a patrol car or this is in New York and she goes she's going to prison for a life term which I think is the twenty year whatever it is she got convicted of of attempted murder and I believe it not that this is a. Really. Anything. But I think it should be pointed out she comes from a upper-middle-class fluent, very fluent. I would say probably beyond upper middle-class background and she's out there throwing a Molotov cocktail into a it's like. For me, there's such a gap I don't understand. And I don't know maybe new just wired differently but I don't understand getting from that place to work permits and throwing a Molotov cocktail thinking that you are somehow closing a gap between your projected ideas in the solution i. don't I just don't understand it, and that's I think that's a good point because there probably isn't a in-state. You know when you have a when you take somebody off the streets and you actually start talking to them and you say, what is the desired in state here and the desired in-state is I think destroying the system because the system systematically racist. Or. Systematically flawed that inherently is a problem because then you're hinging on the majority of the country to be on board with you while you destroy everything that's in place that is the security for everybody else in the country absent plan to rebuild as well at there's no plans and so you don't have a you know it would be different if an TIF. Guy. Guy was on a podcast were show and they were the leader and they're saying listen, we're GONNA lay out the groundwork what we're doing. Now as part of a five tiered plan, we're starting out with sabotage subversion. We WanNA create some anarchy in the road you want to let people know passionate but face to of this as we want to get. into the elective process, like we want to be in positions to make chain out of Holy Shit, the strategy behind this is insane and and it's not that would be onboard that because I would say, Hey, let's get the bandwagon on to vote because I don't want this but this is how we could be using the system that is in place for yeah. Our process is very, damn good. In everybody who's in these positions that say? Are. Racist. Society where repressive tyrannical have never been anywhere else in the world and they've you don't even have to go and be immersed as a special operations guy just simply go to anywhere in Africa. Anywhere. Travel outside of the first world that's it go to like when I was in. Asia Africa. My my driver. Had A heart attack and. We couldn't find out he was driving while he was driving. I'm in I'm a sergeant major at the time. So I'm in uniform lieutenant colonel and we're on the WAY TO A. A joint training exercise, which is a staff ex we're we're planning a counter. We actually planned a counterterrorism operation and at the same time that we were there planning a Boko. Haram attacked a place. In Eastern Asia, which was their first ever attack terrorism attack inside of news year? So were there to support a flock, which is a huge joint exercise fucking awesome named exercise now flint lock it. And we're I'm I'm driving to this place in the the driver turns around. And he's like I'm having chest pains and like well pullover and he pulls over and he's telling me symptoms I can't remember what side it was. But one of the Sims is arm shooting pain through his left arm like one side on one side only up and lieutenant colonel with Google Shit. He's like what do we? How do we figure out how to help us dude with a heart attack? So I say listen I'm GONNA drive you to the hospital I. Want you to point out to me the quickest route there. We have it NAVC. He knows the back roads. so He's left right? He gets us to the hospital and I pull them out of the car and walk up to the hospital and I take one look inside I might breach point. And I look left look right and just do a quick scan and there's people all over this hospital laying on pants not not caught snack cloth that sheet but paying metal pans and it looked like a mash casually and I said is. Sonoma. Is this is normal on like what so I go over is like is anybody doctor and this like eighteen year old kid comes up because I'm a I'm Dr Mike you're the doctor are Dr Are you playing one on TV? Yeah. Where'd you stay last night? How does this work out? So he said I'm Dr My. Okay. What is going on here? He goes all people are sick I'm like, okay. This guy's got having a heart attack cardiovascular something when can get seen it's going to be hours. he'll be dead and hours. So we leave we drive away. And I go. We're going to a foreign form because the. In a heart attack and. Baby Aspirin Yeah I would put this out I'm not a doctor and I don't know anything about cardiovascular events except that on Google it said get betablockers because betablockers. I guess has something to do with reducing the amount of Beta. The blood I feel like they blocked Betas they blocked Betas. The blockers of Beta. I voters shocker did. Not Go to med school. So we go in and it's closed. It's it's a holiday. Of course it's it's closed fuck and so we're trying to call people and I'm like, fucking we kick in the door to this pharmacy me lieutenant colonel we ravage through all the shit. We find the Betablockers, we give it to him and almost instantly he's like. I. Feel a little bit better than of my Oh shit. So we take him back to the hospital. We drop him off. He sees the doctor eventually they basically give him the same thing they work through whatever it is. Three days later, we don't hear from and where the fuck is this guy at he's our driver like where's driver? One of the interpreters like he's at the hospital still, I. Go in the hospital and he's laid up in the same room with all these people and he's like deathly ill because he gets sick for being in the hospital. Of course, he they never released. They have room to isolate them and I'm like what the fuck is gone and then I realize this isn't as year Africa there is no there's no resources there's no medical trauma facilities. People die of appendectomies there. There are appendix burst and they die, which is probably an incredibly routine procedure in the first completely routine completely retained people die there. It's the first time I've been all over the shit holes. But I look at the infrastructure there when there's infrastructure. But the only reason the infrastructure exist is because of the nonprofits and the NGO non-government organizations that keep that place alive the other supported that their support from the well water they drink to the Senate I had an upper respiratory infection for two weeks with lieutenant colonel and I couldn't believe how sick I was and I asked the everybody what's going on and you're sick because you're breathing the literal feces of human beings and then I'm driving one day and there's a guy who's walking. He's a Nigerian. He's walking down the road and there's no sewage systems in Asia. Even, in the in the in the hotels that's just pipe out and poop into the streets he takes a step ninety three steps. He doesn't cover his ass he takes one step that was probably a to avoid getting hit by a car when he squatted his ass over the dirt and shits in the middle of the road, he takes a scoop of San, shoves it up his ass, pulls his pants up and keeps walking and I'm like, wow, and in the dust is kicking up an art deco or high looks and I'm breathing in that Oh, that's why I'm sick I feel like that'd be a good set for like a holiday candle. Nigerian ass is an is your in ass power move on a handful of sand. You might get some chafing based off my experience buds. Dude. I, was in. Kenya for not even anything military-led. I was there for a school building project for cross, and there was a medical clinic across the road and I'm using the term clinic in the lightest of Tilde. And they were talking about women who will walk their give birth and wheelbarrow their child back home in the same fucking day of course. Of course by as. My jaw hit the four. It's still on the for I couldn't believe that and That I mean, and so we were walking around building some schools or I wasn't building schools. We were there helping the organization that we were funding they were building schools but when on a walk one afternoon just fallen people two buckets on their heads and an watching where they were getting their drinking water from. You couldn't have paid me to to jump in that water in dry suit and they're filling it up in. It's the women that were doing it jugs on their head like National Geographic type trains of human trains of people with water heads like. People forget that about a third of the world doesn't even have access to sanitary water. Yeah. Yeah that's normal life for everybody in the for a third of the world like in the tally. Of all wealth in the entire world. Context it is context I. saw this interesting documentary on Africans. And it was. It had a and she was from Ethiopia Kenya and they they don't use diapers. What they use as clay so what the woman will do is They'll the baby will shit. They'll take a piece of clay off the ground though smash it onto their knee. Then, they'll take the baby and smashed the baby's ass on the clay and rub it off their knee. Then they'll take the clay and roll it like it's a diaper and then throw it out. And I'm like. WHOA. WHOA. That's I. Mean this is the state of the world around us. And these fuckers are you know they're throwing frigging fifty dr bottles of Vodka at police officers that are Molotov cocktails into their suburbia like most of them live in the suburb these are these are poor people. These are of they're disaffected whether that socially economically. But most of them have Russe over their heads running water. Yeah. You know it's fucking crazy. I don't know about you man, but like I'm. I spend I. Don't think I spent any more time thinking about this stuff than anybody else. But I I I'm trying to understand I mean I'll at least listen to people. When they talk whether you agree or disagree I'll I'll sit there and I'll try to. Think, about my own life and my own experiences in the systematic racism something that you hear all the time and. Inequality or colorblind or the inability to be colorblind or bias. I sit there and I think about it in my head just keeps bouncing up against a lot of the ideas that are being thrown out Tim actually got me thinking very hard when he was talking about his bias. Because for a long time for one, I'm not colorblind because I had the ability to see color like I think that's a stupid statement unless you are legitimately colorblind it. Everybody sees color. Your skin is a different color of the mind. The issue was give a fuck. What color people skin is I almost always default back to actions and how they treat me. Treat me like an asshole and you threaten me if you're white black every color inbetween that's going to get you one response otherwise have a conversation I. Don't I don't give a shit but I do have more bias than I realized but it's not against one group. It is against one group. It's human beings. Yeah. I have. One of the things that I have to work myself through where I I'm aware of is that I have an inherent distrust of human beings, which I think is a tricky place to view. A lot of this stuff that's going on from. Because I almost just don't trust them from the get-go. That's a that's a good bias when compared to I think that's A. I. Think that's probably the S O P for most people now and and and it seen as racism but it's a it's a larger. Race men that I don't. There's no race knocking humanity I don't either I'm the same way man, I, you know one of the things I think about. Like even in this black lives matter movement Antifa is when I was young people. When you're when you're young, you're impressionable you WANNA be whatever it is that you're tuned into for I I listened to country music as a little kid I wanted to be a rancher a country kid unless the these young kids grow up in hip hop, they listen to Jay Z. They Wanna be a coke dealer. There wasn't a biggie smalls they WANNA THEY WANNA sell coke like 'cause that that's the big game, right? That's the big influence. So all these little groups have people who are the targets just like they would be of jihadist of. It named the rogue organization or the insurgent organization oversees the perfect opportunity what I, what I hate that these people don't now it's it's likely to aptitude right or education or and or both. is they don't realize they're being played right because there's mechanisms like political mechanisms where politicians have power, they have wealth, but they also have the ability to influence on mass scales and I talked about this on years ago in a podcast somebody asked me my buddy. Mike Pfeiffer from last line of Defense. He asked me he goes what the what, what is the biggest threat to our society and I said A. Pandemic with social discourse and we're literally living that now. I said it's a pandemic social discourse and at the time be a limb was in Baltimore burning it down it was an and and we had We had people going out and being disaffected because of botts that the whether it was the Russians or the North Koreans or whoever it was North Koreans probably they're they're still working commodore thousands with Korea. But. Control all deletes. The Chinese and the Russians. Right. Well, if they're influencing anarchy and chaos like tin I, love this nailed it left or right. They just want people to be upset they want people to be disaffected. Yes. Because when you're disaffected. You lose trust in the establishment when you lose trust and the establishment y-y-you destroy the system internally because of that loss of or that distrust. So. When people were like, you know Russia's backing trump or whatever it may be in special operations. It's a simple unconventional warfare tactic which is called sabotage and subversion. Would you wanNA destroy from the inside out the only thing you have to do just like Timmy said it's super easy to I. Love. I. Love You Timmy In fact, you need your podcasts you just hit me up today and I'm actually GonNa call him to me from here on out I. Love Contents Mikey so called. But one of the things he he made the example, the analogy about. Party right. He made the Yes. He said you have this party and it's you have all these mechanisms and the party, the art sculpture, the ice sculpture the bathroom people are inside that group and they're all there for the right reasons but it takes one fuck up to come inside of there and destroy it from the inside out. It's like it. Another analogy is like the redneck wedding right? You have. You have a redneck wedding and somebody comes in there and makes one dumb ass statement they do one dumb thing to let fuck that dude it's like don't tell don't talk about ricky bobby like that and he's fucking. Star beating each other up and then you're like, I can't fucking believe this everybody's beat up and blood, and then every body forever remembers that moment but also everything about that as being dysfunctional and chaotic. If you look at the world's perception of us right now you would think is burned to the fucking ground. You would think that this is this is war war three, but it's not i. mean me and you are in a room I drove here got coffee and and in whitefish drove in, it's beautiful. Everybody's out and about half the people wearing masks 'cause they don't give a fuck and I'm like, this is awesome. So it feels like a good place to be in. But that perception is what they're trying to create when you have wealth when you have power and influence it's so easy you can I get people for tell people at these American continuously meets I had like a few hundred people show up in In in Oregon it was no no. This was in Washington outsider golden gala winery. And I said. Think how easy it was for me to get you to show up I did three post in three post I got three hundred people to show up, and maybe with a post I could've got them to throw a rock at a building. So it's not hard to take people who are disaffected who are emotionally compromised anyway because covert, they want something to belong to because they're disaffected they don't have a fucking mentor in their life. They might not even have a father or a parent and they want to be part of a fucking movement our movement with service I do I've lived the US Army be all you fucking be same yeah, and so. We took our energy and we harnessed it and we pointed it in the right direction. Now, we're doing the same in entrepreneurship. When I wake up, I'm fucking motivated that I mean it's sad that I'm not getting shot at because I I I enjoyed that part of my life it's not sad it's different phase of different face. Let's not describe it as set. But I you know I I missed that part. But at the same amount of energy that I have in that I invested in the military I'm investing in entrepreneurship and it's fucking great life to live. But these assholes have picked the wrong direction, the wrong path 'cause they're motivated by some fucking millionaire who's a politician more likely who sitting on their ass watching an fold like fucking mister wizard Mister Burns from fucking Simpson Mr Burns for sure I. also think that the media has a very heavy handed role in this that's not being examined enough they if you know if people are being played, the media is the instrument. Why Because like you said, we're talking about there are parts of the US that are burning right now you know literally and Metaphorically California the Western states that's a different issue. But some of them like you said sparked by either an anarchist or some fuck quits who did a gender reveal and started like did you see that one fucking God damn people don't put pyrotechnic devices by dry grass fuck listen use a popper like a guy in a balloon how `bout get some paper and turn it into like little cuttings of papers Shea. Yep Ga deem it Upset. But. What is being reported based off of what I completely nonscientific. I guess it would be subjected because I'm just looking at it. The things that are happening in Portland in Seattle and other airs their leading the news constantly at the front of the cycle, but it's not it's not. It is not who we are as a country and it's not what's going on in the vast majority of the country. and. People see that and they are moved to take action there being fucking plate. Yeah. Ball by the headlines I. The the rapper killer Mike I talked about this recently in our podcast. But full disclosure I have no idea who knows a fuck it is either I've never listened to killer Mike got only have the fuck it is. But I I what, I, what I know is he's the first rapper outside of What's his name? The Wayne? Little Wayne Little Wayne's of support of law enforcement. Okay. So full disclosure I don't know who little. So I know little. I know who you're going down his genre down a rock and roll road who this fucking rapper. fucking. Cool. So Little Wayne is a fucking rat a full mouth full of fucking like his grill is full of fucking metal you. He's got drunk I think dreadlocks braids or something, but he's a he's a fucking hardcore rapper I. Think he's from Florida for from the south. Never been into his music but I heard him talk about a law enforcement officer once. And he said I support the police in his gangster verbiage. Yes. He said Ebonics that we call that. I don't think you can say that but continued. fucking thin line there man. You might have just read it over it. So. He's he's he's talking and he's like he's yes, support the fucking cops and the person they person is like shocked they weren't expecting that and how the fuck can you you're about the movement how how the fuck you are this cookie cutter you are only allowed to say these things he these his he was in an apartment or House that raided by the police and up an officer, a white dude named Bob or or some shit. They went in there and they started flippin shit going through everything. and. And they said the guide bill or Bob said what the fuck are you guys doing like we're looking for some like we're we're your for that fucking guy and they roll the fucking guy up and he picked this kid up, which is little Wayne and scooped him up and fucking rolled his ass out of there and saved him from this circumstance and he said it's the first time that a heated frame it this this way I'm Paris storing it but he basically said this dude was the first dude to show empathy to me as a fucking young thug and he was a white dude named bill or Bob who police I'm going to save his Kevin. Kevin. Gallen. But but if you think about that man. What the news media cycle never talks about. Is Is the good in people right it's built off an algorithm that is making clicks per capita. So when you look at the monetization rates of how these companies like CNN stay in business outside of their investments is they need to be controversial because that's how you become popular. You can't poplar as anybody on instagram. Showing your ass in a Thong. If you show your ass immediately you get you get a spike in analytics is that what I'm missing you're missing that man I will side I will do that. Well the wants to smoke clears do mountain. Just one just tag being very careful. To do. I. Don't even need a thong just a banana hammock. But just tuck back up. Just. A couple of cheeks that will be the highest post grossing posts. Don't tell me do it. Just ranger pens but tucked up and rest I don't wear ranger paintings but I might be able to find pair of Ud tease I bet you could find some beauty tease I either stick those Khakis up your ass they're not very good at the. Duke's. I don't know. We could explore this space, roll them on the leg of course. So you just get a little ass Chea peg leg one, thousand percent that will be your pay facebook to push it. That would be your most poplar had his. Walkman, but you can't be you can't be. Making money, you can't be spiking analytics unless you're risque and in you're no longer popular for not doing that I cycle through all media channels I do that routinely as a hobby and I look at what they're like what their headline is versus what the content says and oh I catch that. Shit. It's not even the things you'll never believe what so and so said, and then you click on it and yeah, they're they're actually detached from completing content subject. Yeah it's unbelievable. How many times that happens it has to be a it is a marketing tactic in order to spike analytics, but they're weaponising human beings. That's that's the scary thing and people I hope understand or have at least some. Recognition. That the information that you see. Is. Not, a broad if it's a pie, you're not getting one sliver from three, hundred, sixty degrees. The platforms that we all willingly participate in Instagram facebook and all that stuff. They are throttling certain types of information, and if you don't recognize that, I'm not saying. How don't want to go conspiracy theorists say that they're trying to really navigate but they're also not giving you the full spectrum either I've heard you talk about this with a lot of your content that what what the fuck in term is shadow banning or whatever that is but and you're based on them assuming just off a engagement and the numbers and just looking like what's going on here like there's this sign wave I don't believe that's happening accidentally and it scares me to think that people don't inherently realize that. This is scariest thing because it what falls into their feed is like what falls into your fucking lap I mean if it falls in your feed, your paying attention and and whatever that is is going to drive your behavior right this social media platforms. Are are built off of of buying, monetize your attention if they're not grasping your attention if you take if you look at a chicks, ass. And it's engaging, which means you're spending more than a second on it that they're going to send more. Of chicks asses. On instagram and hit the What is it? The I glass little button yeah. That's it. Then your vote yes I'm saying the explore page in which you'll notice is it's GonNa give you the things that you most constantly were most likely take a look at. I so WanNa look look at your shit right now, and he looked at your shit just look at look at the top twelve photos and let's see what it is. Going to be dudes thongs. fucking, dudes Mannix. Seals with their shirts off. All right. So you gotta hit the little page place free. This is to be cold. Oh. God you don't eat one of the I. Oh. Go to go scroll down right here like this to where it's like just these pictures and described the first top six photos. My first one is amazing. It's a great white shark getting ready to fuck something up i. have that same fucking picture. Awesome and then it's a woman Connie closed and then not closed then conor McGregor then a dude rock climbing and then the rest of. That Kinda McGregor was no, it's this when he's doing his little walk I guess had her arrested in Corsica or something like that the vast majority of it is. It's yeah it's women in swimsuits. It's an for whatever reason I get a lot of stuff in my feed to where you're watching it. That's why why is it on? It's unfortunate but that was like the first picture that POPs. But here's the thing. This is so yeah, if you think that they're not. Paying, attention to your ineffective of their and that's and that's the point is like they're they're. Right, back again, Goddamn. This podcast is brought to you by Tim. Kennedy by the way. It should be see to but by being removed and getting your information through that and if they're targeting you I, think the correct and most accurate word of what's going on because if you look at the assist instagram's not paying for itself, right? That's why there were billions of dollars and you're insulated and you keep looking at the same thing. So they're algorithm keeps showing you the same things. I just hope that it's not lost on people that it's getting more and more and more and more channelize which I think we would be better served if it got broader and broader and broader and broader, but I think that would probably destroy the revenue model it would and that because people do not want to see or engage with something that bumps up against something philosophically in between their ears and they would actually benefit for they lose that dopamine hit you start getting you start losing dopamine. Here's something that physiological physiologically have paid attention to. Audio book constantly. So if I'm driving for ten hours, I'm listening to ten hours of audio books. And what I? What I realized is all my audio books are the same shit hunting outdoors. Survival core, military history. So I started buying audio books that I. Don't necessarily think I'd like that's the best way to put. Meaning I'm not going to get the I'm not GONNA get one I'm not going to be motivated to click on to listening to it. It's not going to drive motivation in dopamine I'm not going to get excited and then Three I'm forcing myself to learn something that I potentially wouldn't otherwise have learned. The shitty part about it is. I don't listen to any of those audiobooks. fucking start them for like a Senate. My Fuck this Shit Dude I've literally driven my truck fallen asleep and I'm like I have to get some fucking Rogan on I have to get some stuff like. So. We just always revert back to our fucking habits. No matter what and it's machine learning, which is the scariest when a when a smart coder slash developer builds a machine, which is software that essentially learns your your patterns of life in rhythm and then optimize it accelerates it hard. And target your ask your fucked had everybody can do experiment what I WANNA do right. But the podcast on pause or listen to it but go on your phone into safari or whatever. You'd use, do a Google search and I want you to look for. A product, you pick the product and then scroll into your social media platforms and watch what populates your feed. Yeah and tell me that you're not being targeted. Oh yeah easily targeted. It's you. I'll look for I was actually looking at a like a truck back of A. Truck. Seat weapons. Mounting. System. And that's about all. I saw on social media for the next three fucking days the ferry first ad was bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba. Are you kidding me? Well? Are you kidding me? It just the web is so interconnected is so ridiculously interconnected and it is a learning machine. Learning. How fucking stupid we are as humans. I I I heard Rogan's say this and I heard you talk about it with with the media as well. I'm. GonNa Start I'M GONNA. Try this is my fucking attempt. This is my launch code of this. I'm going to attempt to start a media company. but I want to ask you because I want to get your input. I'm starting a media company that is is as objective as it can be and the context of. The let's put it this way open source information that's going to allow you to make better decisions. To navigate the world around you, I e, you get local or even national news that Tunji into what's going on. That's after the fact meaning it's not it's not a story for the sake of a story and narration to draw people in its this is happening in in this is the area it's objective, and here's the recommendation maybe like like open source intelligence analysis. Yeah, which is you know the significant activity that's going on and then the recommendation for that. But not as dry as the fucking it's not like a you know a sit rep that you read a daily. What were, what are some characteristics? Of. Of good good news outlets or what you would like to see and a news or a news feed. Thuc a good news out. I'll start there. I don't know which one I could point anybody towards because I. Feel like most. And I. You know what? I'd have to use the term news lightly as well. It's editorialized information I think is a more accurate description of what most people are receiving. So I guess what I would like to see would be the opposite of that as much as possible. In I don't know how to do that other than leaving almost every article open ended presenting the facts and and not known don't write out every time but literally like now, you as an intelligent thinking human being need to figure it the fuck out for yourself is that like a bullet like bullets statements. So it's not, it's not a it's not rolled up into a story line. Yeah I don't know I mean because if you have somebody writing, they will of like we've talked about there is bias and they will write it through that. So it would require you to have people on both sides of whatever metaphorical I'll that you're talking about that either worked in tandem or separately, and then the shit to somebody from one side of the fence. They each write it and you present both and people can land in the middle I. Don't know if it's bullet points. It gets tough anytime that any time that human being interface in between the information you know. Fuck is idea I need some time to wrap my head around that? Yeah. I like the idea though what would make it popular that see that's the that's the one thing I can't figure out because. When you look at the fact that it would be unpopular that people would have to think that we have to do that you have to play off the the oxy more of it all because every news outlet even Fox News which. I. I look at both the same objectively. Yeah and I go fuck both these. If you look at Fox News the first couple scrolls like going through though have actually news stories and then they get into weird shit like Kardashians Heidi Klum was seen on the beach wearing a fucking and you're like what the fuck and I click it. Anyway I'm just trying to for research purposes and of course for. Research. Scrolls down Mike I haven't seen Heidi claims ass once scam. A deep rabbit hole, you're like what? The fuck in my ear. but it but it, but it makes it popular. That's what makes it popular my how fucked you make objective actual news popular. Maybe the weights told I need a funny fucking comedian. Yet. But then you're gonNA piss off fifty percent of the people because you'll be mocking their you know what I mean. There's always the lens that people are. GonNa view through I. Don't have an answer that question. That's a tough one. It isn't healthy Ding like I'm. Here's what happened with America tendency that is evolving which I never thought. This would happen. America tendencies the entire purpose of American contingencies give people purpose. There's like people like, Oh, you're starting to militant no, the fuck or not. I've never message that of never disseminated that in the written word speaking at Ne Never. It's only been about empowering people to be better prepared for themselves for the families and their communities, which by I think by benefit makes us all better citizens of the country. I couldn't agree more. So I was GonNa ask you specifically about the American contingent go back like where did it come from? Did you decide to start it just unpacked? Yes. So Mea Kevin Owens were in Colorado and the covid Shit was falling apart. And we we actually we're doing a podcast on the mic drop one he was okay. One of the one of the most phenomenal human beings on the planet in in Montana with me right now in a different location price boring right are born was a counterterrorism army ranger wing. they have tier one element. He was there for like five or six years doing what they do similar to the British SAS. And became a green. Beret was my small unit tactics instructor. We're snipers together and then change the entire sniper game for US I. Mean he was the sniper ensue I see a noncommissioned officer in charge of the. God Damn it. But you know. Snipers ranger snipers and sift snipers special forces snipers he was in charge of the school house. But we're in a conversation and. It came up about the beginnings of the Shit falling apart like people were protesting. and. I also, your Inco-. vid watching some of the things trend towards violence. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So it's there's compounding factors. And I was like you know what I would wanna start something and we had talked about getting off the bench concept like you know there's people around the of the United States, who are law abiding citizens. Who are sitting on the bench watching everything unfold they don't participate in surveys. They aren't active politically they just fucking do their job. They're blue collar white collar people who knows that the People are just trying to make it through the day. Exactly just that's the core of America. So what I realized was it just happened in Portland. Not based on three weeks ago. But months ago they had a situation where they told this actually started in Seattle but the Seattle Told their lawn for officers not to respond they had to prioritize and they said you will not respond you will not do anything Call related and dispatch person reach out to me in a law enforcement also reach out to me and I realized that went. Oh Shit. Than than at the same time maybe a couple of days later the. Not fucking around coalition, which all they're doing is fucking around can be clear. Should be called the fact, right? Yeah. fucking. which his fucking NCO se of those fuck quits. She's he he thinks a M16 fires from the open bolt. What did he call that thing? He called it the grease gun yeah might come. It's the open bolt. He thinks that you launch the ball since the projectile shooting Mike He's a veteran. It's so bizarre. He is a veteran fucking bizarre that means nothing alright. Doesn't mean that fucking much people. Get rid of that. fucking halo or whatever. You think it means zero. Says all the people in the organization including the guy who accidentally discharged. His weapon and injured another person standing next to him. Yeah. Because the in fact people were backing. fucking. Factors. So, fucked up man. So these guys, these guys are fucking off and they're they're fucking around in they're calling people out of their homes which I thought was you know it's one thing to say I'm going to start protesting even with guns right? Which I think is stupid but you're fucking doing it and they start calling Blah and they're calling like they're saying all you crackers come outside of your home and my my nickname when I was a kid was cracker my dad was a fucking white dude right. And he used to call me cracker and. A term endearment, but he means it as a term of racism he had mine is will be saying the word to black people, but he's saying calling white people, crackers it's just as offensive isn't it interesting how it's not? It doesn't seem to be. RECOGNIZED NOBODY EVEN GIVES US share racism and and I hear this. Will you have to be in a position of What is it power or authority to be racist? How about fuck you? Yeah. Those treat everybody exactly. The same. If you're making any decision based off of what position you in based off color ethnicity whatever it may be your fucking racist that about that. Absolutely I don't think it's inclusive. two to one set of people if I'm when I was called Chink in all Ching, Chong and all this shit which I thought was funny because I I like to laugh off people who are fucking losers but it it it hurts I mean that that Shit's real I mean that's that's racism. No matter what color you fucking. So I went these racist people. Who are calling people outside of their homes? That's scary. We got an influx through my company Phil Craft Survival, which we do prepare shit I mean we teach hundreds of trade craft. We teach field craft all over the fucking survival in survive I. Don't know how you came up with that name craft survival given what you teach you know craft and survival it was A. Shit. It was. You only WanNa know the naming. Deanna what we teach teach feel craft in survival I have an idea. A trade track? fuck man. I had all this shit lined out necessarily realizing via all the messages that we got, which is hundreds and maybe even dowse what was the general sentiment in the message we do. Yeah. I'm starting to eat a lot of that as well. I don't teach field craft or survival. Yeah. What what do we Mike? What do we do right now you're saying get off the bench and it's like the same ideology behind people who say you gotTa have a better mindset and and so my sergeant major brain is like what the fuck does this mean like, why are you saying that? GimMe, tangible takeaways, literal things that I could do and. Map that out for me was a problem, which is you know our brains work in which relate to fix problems. So what the fuck do we do well one I want to instill confidence in people and I said to Kevin I said listen we have to start something I don't even give a fuck if it's just a philosophical movement that gives people some tools. Let's start something and when I started it, Kevin Owens actually named I'm like it's American. Something he's like content. What about contingencies we always do continued season primary alternate emergency plans pays plans I'm like American content we've we fucking named it, and then we put it out and I didn't realize how many people were really scared and and really looking for answers until we released it and and got droves of people coming into the fold like fuck were invested, we want to get involved so i. I will say this and this is how it started off. Wrong. Is People immediately thought. Mike Glover, former special operations, guys he starting a militia a fucking militia. I had tweets I had articles which were all faulk faults and fake I had people writing new stories on me saying a former special operations say I see a contractor a starting a fucking right wing militia which anybody who fucking knows me no I. Mean Dude I've never openly say this like I like we'd. Like we'd in Gummy form because it helps me sleep and it's better than fucking What is it called the the? Cocaine Heroin Ambien. India close. It's better than all that shit do you know what's better than Ambien anything anything is better that shit is so addictive dude I was taking one. You know this because you're in special operations that's what they gave us do they had to bowls. Yeah adderall Ambien. Yeah. We had to ship before the admiral where you thought your hair was gonNA fucking light on fire and you like I do want to charge a fifty best. Yeah and then you have also in your stomach hurts for days new lay in bed exhausted sleep. Yeah you're just like. You're puking do heavy or are sad thoughts. Do they more than happy thoughts? So you're just sitting there fucking losing your mind. So what do you do n? Bowl completely unregulated and when it gets low the doctors just like dump it in there. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck and that was the concert cycle. Yeah I would rather I mean so Kill cliff do the CBD stuff I love it. I am so anti putting pill into my mouth based off of I could go to the Cormon and be like I have a headache bag of eight hundred milligram Oh trans. I. Just saw my hand off by accident bag of eight hundred Bill Graham Boatmen's Yup I have cancer bagwell ended up with probably a stretch, but also probably the hand is stretch too but let's just say they will give you you know. They they just gave me so many pills and I I did go down journey rabbit hole with pills after I got hurt but I hate that shit under too. I would rather take a we'd gummy any day of the week obsoleted Ambien one hundred I'm a big advocate will I I don't think I have been an advocate of been talking about it and I've never openly said this on a podcast but I'll say it now is is I am an advocate for. Number one anything CBD related. Yes. That's that's good. CD like on Cana, which I'm I'm I I know the guy who started the company who's a former ranger, and he puts the right filtered doses of CBD candidate Benoy respecters that are going to affect change and help help you and also a big fan of. The kill cliff CBD DRINK I can't even keep them in stock because all my guys are crushing I just give them away. I love. Them. And people will ask me all the time doesn't make a difference I. Feel it physiologically, I do feel it, and so I have. Like. Messed with all of it like the saw and the cream and some of them don't work great and I found stuff we're like I'll get banged up you rub it on there and it's like two million I feel so much better in its localized to that one place I'm not having to ingest. Pill, after pill after pill, and then I need to eat because I was going to feel like I was going to throw up. Like, wow, I guess I. do just ship all the time. You know twenty, four, hundred milligrams of Motrin. It apparently is not good for you. It's life changing life. It is life changing I get that stuff away as fast as I can because people ask at work like dude, it fucking works and I feel it more like I I will take. Or drink the I drink the drinks more often because it's can be thrown away truck, but it helps me like stress. Relief. And I don't understand a mechanism by which we by which it works, but I noticed the difference in my life. The first time I realized Ambien was a problem was in northern California when I woke up in my bed naked with dirt and mud inside the sheets with me all you went on a vision quest dude I. went on a vision quest. I tried to find vision quest naked in my jeep. I found it in a ditch, my girlfriend at the time drug my ass, and God, bless her heart like like we went through some shit together transitioned. The military was all fucked up was taken ambien drinking whisky trying to go to bed it's a classic pairing. That's yeah. You can't slime. Like red wine together and being and whiskey is not the good Combo for parents dude have you ever done the Ambien? which ones the okay. Tell me about it because I might have done it but called it something else come back off of you know sons coming up become back ud jock. Episode of twenty four goes it and everybody takes an Ambien If you're awake at the end of the episode, he takes another ambient and you continue until there's only one man standing. Yes I've done that. Don't ever do this for anybody who's listening, but that's what we used to do that the highest levels special operations. So take whatever you thought we were and then realize where a bunch of fucking monkeys because that's what we would do, and I realize anybody would do that and you'll find people passed out like face down naked on gravel the next morning, not knowing how they got their one hundred. Percent We used to do I did a sniper stay behind missions, for Iraq, is so they we would infill at night occupied during the day watch and observe the guys that were going after for from across the street or whatever, and we would be in that house I will take. It wasn't the adderall you're right it was like the ship that fighter pilots got yeah and I can't remember the. Name of it but God damn to thirty minutes later, your skin tangling you here's what I realized. It was a problem but like I enjoyed it when I was staring out of a window pulling security and enjoy doing so like for hours and fucking like an hour, this is fucking amazing like I love pulling security and staring at the fucking ground my brain, and then you come back from that. So, exhausted age about seven years every time you take those bills, it would fuck people up. We had guys. The problem is in combat you do those kind of rotations and then you rip out of it and then you go back into a a normal cycle and have fun with that transition. It's fucking and so you get back on the train I I was able to break it more than most. Because I didn't really have an addictive personality and never have. But when I got on the military I'm like I can't sleep the the Va Gamy tone, which is a a horse tranquilizer did a fucking mind as well. Then it made me if any fuck a fucking Zombie if I if I was traveling right now be sleeping under the fucking table. And it's supposed to help you with anxiety, but it's supposed to help you sleep and they would do Ambien transito on and they would give you. Give you both. How do you even survive that barely do and peopled people don't, and then with alcohol if an fucking richer life? Yeah. I took Indika is the one that makes you sleepy okay and they're sativa that keeps you awake and there's now it's smart because they do different strains of it for the first time ever in my life because I was anti, we do I was the guy in technical community college because that was my college outside of military college that I went to. where I I argued with kids like you fucking loser fucking. We'd had you don't understand and and looking back on like what the fuck like I wish every. I wish every member of special operations was allowed to smoke weed because I know when they came back from home and they were all fucked up and they were showing it and anger and emotional breakdowns and they. Hit, a fucking joint or the eight, a gummy that would go holy fuck. It's not so bad the out around the corner substantially and they would when I slept for the first time in my life I realized what sleep was and how important it was and the and I wasn't hooked because of the of because of the drug I was hooked because of the result. And so I'm a big proponent of and I know we sidetrack there I fucking like we'd I'm a big big careful with the quantity that you consume people. So yeah, you WanNa talk about stories you never talked about okay. I've had a few gummy incidents in my life and I can tell this story unfortunately, the other person involved in the story has since passed away but I was in Switzerland base jumping they we were out having come some steak frites stake in. French fries. And it was the end of the trip. We've been hiking our asses off and it just at the end of the evening and my buddies like, Hey, man hit some jelly slices. ooh. And I was like Dude I wanna get a good night's sleep because he was leaving the next day I was there for like the next two days he's like here have some of cool an eight and like thirty minutes later Mike do that didn't do shit give me another one of those at that's the that's right there he he he's like You probably don't WanNa do that was like shut up dude first off I am. Of You at every fucking way whatever you take me three times that. So he gave me one and we walked over to restaurant we are sharing a bottle of wine and having little steak freed steak fries. And I remember I took a sip of wine delightful like Pinot a nice. Red. Chew, and some food and I take another sip of wine and it tastes completely and utterly different than the sip I had just taken. We're talking maybe a sixty seconds separation and in the world is just like you. And I remember at what I thought was only like. Five seconds my Alex was across the table fucking in tears. Dying laughing I remember looking up and I'm like, what are you laughing? He's just like you. You're fucked up right now aren't you I could barely walk back to where we were staying I was having like a full on psychedelic. Would it seemed like skin tingling? I got stuck on that ride for forty eight hours look again that's the thing that's why I say be careful I don't have a lot of experience with that. But what I do have experience with is getting stuck on a fucking train ride that I couldn't get off who got miserable. One of those for twelve hours and it fucked me up dude, it fucked me up. You're you're in a prison of your fucking Maya have you ever heard of a? This is interesting. You're heard of the fucking K. whole. Net Nanny thing. Sexual Ketamine. Ketamine. I've you know what I have heard that term, but I have absolutely zero experience with anything. You've ever done any ketamine. No. So had trap nor in my fucking face and because it's a painkiller, an incredibly powerful. Powerful than morphine or any of those opiates right? It's it's we can't be just as powerful but I think the the reason doctors use ketamine in this is not for my doctoral worldly experience. But people tell me is that Ketamine when you kill the pain, you kill the memory associated with the pain. So it numbs the associated factor. So most people who take ketamine and knocks them unconscious and so they don't there's no association. So they don't freak out they don't lose their shit and then when they reflect back on the pain, there's not the Association of the pain interesting. So. Never had done ketamine or any fucking thing recreationally, and in recommend ever doing it I was in hospital in this happen I had facial cellulitis and I had travel in in my face and a piece was working itself out of mind fucking nostril and it turned into an orb which manifest itself into an infection and facial realize this is over the course of a massive bump on. Yes. Well, no, it was. It was like my face was like you know how say you ida she pushed the skin and there's no. CAPILLARY response? Yeah just. Dead and taken your my face was like that. Scaring automate. Funny. So bad duty was fucking faces fucking my dad face. Dead facemask. I don't need a mask Kelvin. Was All fucked? And so I went to the doctor and. Never had any PSYCHEDELIC experiences. I'm a big fan of everything that way. Now because I think creativity is like the it's like the ocean we haven't really tapped into that especially in our minds. and. So I'm I'm sitting there in the hospital when they go hey, we're going to lance this we're going to we're going to cut it from the inside of your cheek, and then we're going to try to push the infection I'm like well that scariest fuck that's gross. But let's do this shit about what you're GonNa do for me Doc. Let's let's lay out what my options here he did. This is an amber account is. Nor Cal and the guys like have you ever done ketamine and said I haven't but I have experienced working with ketamine like in Iraq Afghanistan our docs always used ketamine on indigent people for wounds and it's classic and veterinary. Things because. It's it's mainly used for for animals and I said no but I can because I'm not a fan of morphine. It makes be Edge Shit schofield well. Here's okay I'm going to get the dock from upstairs. There's two docks in the hospital I'm going to get him to come down and we're going to put we're GONNA use. Ketamine. Instead of morphine. So this guy comes down. And he's of Arab descent and I say this for a point in the story later and he's Middle Eastern he's got a big beard and I, look at them and I'm and I'm like, okay and they have me on something already. It's like a fucking like maybe a bump of morphine. So I'm taking down a level, maybe even a volume or something like that. and. He gets set up and he walks into the room like, what am I, doing like Oh you're the only person, the hospital who could administer basically paraphrasing who administer ketamine. So you're going to get this and the nurse hands I'm a Syringe of. and. It looks like a lot of Shit Shipton but he goes over. And he goes to ivy line and he sticks it and he goes. Okay. Just let me know. This is happening fast and look at Doctor. Who's talking to me? He goes. Okay. So what we're going to do, we're GONNA start out and he turns back at the doctor who's administering the Ketamine and the guy pushes the whole fucking. Like he literally like jams it and the the guy looks back at him. And and the guy looks at he goes was I supposed to and he goes And there's this moment of like they're looking at your own, fuck they look at the nurses, the nurses like what the fuck and they, and then I fucking transport. Into A fucking other universe. I. Swear to God. I. Was like. What the fuck is. and. He just I straight into orbit on one Elon. Musk. Rocket. Suit. Was the most here's what I'll say about this. Outside of the most traumatic experiences in war. This trump's every one of those experiences by ten tenfold. I was ineffective world where my head was on a fucking rollercoaster and it's just it's not a passive. This is a dream dreaming I got segment. I'm immersed in this fucking world like I remember it all my heads on a rollercoaster and I'm floating around on this roller coaster through space and time. And I'm interacting with. People. In through this, the course of this interaction I come to the conclusion that I have no communication with my body. I'm just a fucking floating ORB that is a cartoon. Looks like fucking family guy and an I not only do I realize this but I come to terms with it and I come to terms with the existence that I'm going to live as a fucking head on a roller coaster, but it's going to be cool because everybody hears cool I feel good fucking live in this life, and then as I'm transporting this roller coaster all the sudden. I hit you don't the tracks are roller coaster when it comes to an end break you it goes Jeju tradition. All of a sudden is going. And my head's fucking coming on this on this court. And I'm looking around I'm confused because the rides kind of over and all of a sudden I feel like my body reconnecting with my brain and I kind of come out of it a little bit in my eyes wake up and I I start seeing shit and my in my right hand, I have the person who's in the fucking. Stretcher in hospital that's between the curtain and me I fucking reach over and grab her fucking It's like the arm rest thing and rip her towards me. then. I all remember is like the nurses pinning me to the fucking ground I. Look Up. And the. Arab doctor I'm sorry about this and that fucking racist. But he looks at me I'm like fucking Haji Beer. I'm like yelling Haji Beard in the middle of the he's in shock. The nurses are shock on fucking screaming and a look over my ex girlfriend is recording the whole fucking Ama- She just got it. She's like filming the Shit and I'm freaking losing it and I'm coming out of it and it starts to come back and then. I realized I was out and I look at my ex girlfriend and I'm like what the fuck happened. She goes you fucking law like your eyes were rolled back your head the whole time I was like wait a minute. What do you mean rolled in the back of my head like I must have been out for like a day like what the fuck you out for ten minutes. Ten fucking minutes. It felt like a lifetime like lived entire lifetime in this conference state. So I'm like what the fuck just happened holy fuck I through this and I started doing research on the K. hole and apparently everybody who experiences this does experiences the same kind of cartoony visual Phil. Becoming, this associated with their physical body has this life altering experience and fucking added and it was all trauma. It was all I. Mean some people have a good experience. My experience wasn't bad but it was significant and I realize man there is another portal inward that I have have not even fucking begin to understand and that's why I'm fascinated by the whole fucking. I mean. I. That was supposed to Costa Rica I o Oscar probably or skipping down South America I began or whatever they give you. Yeah. I was supposed to do that I hard pass on that because I pay my own fucking travel fucking terrified of that shit man somebody described it I'm gonNA paraphrase, but they basically said you know when it comes to psychedelics. The people who? Should or are considering using psychedelics be prepared. To give the anchor chain of reality a tug. Don't go down that route unless you're prepared to do. So I totally fucked that up at a kind of which you ever do it. In a controlled setting, it have to be super controlled, right it would have to be super controlled for me. I am willing to give the anchor chain of reality tug because I. Want to learn more about myself. That's the reason that I would do it. I'm not interested in having an experience that isn't meaningful or that doesn't provide more insight into who I am as a person. Yeah I, think that's the benefit of it. Yeah. I having said that fucking terrified of it. Yeah. I when. When I was started like, I. Got started getting into Mushrooms and understanding like my seal Liam and and DMC and all these things. I tripped mushrooms, and I've never trip mushrooms before and the only interest for me was healing. You know healing which they say it literally does if you talk to the doctor cellular level at a cellular level like the synopsis that score I think it's called Mylan but it's thick the scar tissue that creates memories. It's I see scar tissue trying to visualize it's nat literally that yeah. But it creates this portal. What what the Silla cyber does is it creates new neural networks that redefined. So it's the idea like. The and I I'm not a big ID trauma guy. I've never seen like I've been idea before. And it was a catastrophic, but it didn't fuck me up. Yeah. So I'm driving. You're driving down a road and you see a bag and the bag reminds you of an ID and you go into a you know your was a Adrenal adrenal glands your I'm not sure the mechanism but I know what you're describing fighter flight but the hypothalamus activates cortisone it floods to your fucking system and you fucking react. That is caused by memory that is triggering that in decryption neurological response, right the physiological response. So I see the bag oh. Fuck and then go into fight or flight or freeze. So what this literally does, and this is just at the education that I got on it as it creates another pathway around that. So when you see that you go, there's a fucking bag on the side of the road and then you then you move on with your life instead of transporting back to that because you're you're triggering memories that are associated with physical conditions in the real world that you experience, which is the whole means behind memories in the first place to remind you. And trigger your physical body to allow you to survive in primal or ancestral kind of conditions Oh shit there's a fucking tiger. Now I need to change the physical composition, my body to survive. So if I didn't have that association, I'd see talking. Oh, fucking. It's like the ladies letting in the raccoon she thinks it's fucking cat she's letting inside so. It creates a pathway but when I fucking trip mushrooms. I'm not a big native, American, native, American and very small percentage of it. I don't even know where the fuck it comes from. It's like four to six generations away. When I fucking trip mushrooms I went into another portal of my mind I fucking saw. And Watch a cowboy movie and fucking years I saw native American Indians and full warrior Kit. Running and full-gallop with fucking streaming Falcon Eagles faces pushing through space in front of him which. Mind Boggling were I switched straight there didn't even research that there was this a common experience shared by people who trips Simon, but it was all like I was a fucking native American any. Dude I was in a residential home in a comfy bed. And there wasn't any kind of that. material or thought inside of my head I was like I want to go into the state and fucking see if I can heal some shit and I'll send 'em transport the fucking a fucking cowboy Ninian's movie and but it was profoundly impactful because I realized dude, you're not fucking what you perceive is not the reality that you tangibly live. It's inside an and it made me feel better about like I woke up I remember coming out of it. And tell them telling my family and my friends like Dude Dat fucking was impactful and not only was impactful but I want to do it again I don't WanNa do it tomorrow. Yeah. But I want do it routinely. Enough experience. Yeah. The mental health mental hygiene aspect of the trip you gotTa do a man never tried it. The. The best way to do it is They can get mushrooms and chocolate. from legal sources because there's a lot of places in the United States now, Denver Portland or their cities in states that have legalized it. Yeah. Fuck. Owner of the fact that it's illegal kind of fucking bizarre to me, but it's it's control but not there it's legal to use and. You. Take you microdosing and what I've would have also I can't believe I'm fucking amid all of. Kill. Recovery. So. Now you microdosing and what microdosing does at least for me is it increases the blood flow to my fucking head like I feel. It feels like admiral in a weird sense it's not like adderall, but it feels like you're on. Like an upper. But without the upper down for like, you don't have to shit your pants. You don't feel like jittery and that's the tough one to describe to people about the upper they gave us the downside was fucking trap door that was substantially worse than the up. Horrible. They put me on my fucking ass for forty eight hours. How did you? How did you cycle? because. You live at life in and you do those those rotations. How did you cycle away from that? I would stop trying to take ambien about two weeks before coming home and force myself through those really rough three to five days. You can't sleep because that Shit's addictive it is addictive as fuck and I would try to get on a normal sleep cycle and and It was tough good sleeper now. Often on a often onto. Yeah. It's pretty good sleep or I if my brain does a revolution on topic I'm fucked. This. If you try my my brain's the same way if I if I get up to Piss in the middle of the night and if I have like thought right at one full revolution of like, Hey, I need to do this task. Don't forget to do this task clock talk that's all you'll be thinking about correct. Yeah. I'm the same way I have to almost pretend to be a dummy like I'm like I'm so tired of fucking dumb and going to sleep and then I'm like. One fucking thing you haven't done on now and then it's what your mind you have another one and then you're planning out your entire day and I'm sitting there looking at the ceiling going through analytical thoughts a two in the morning. So I don't sleep well I. Don't think I've ever. Have I ever slept well. As well I I think slept five when I was in high school and Shit like that. But I can't remember a time where I've had a consistent period of my life even for like a week or had wake up like. This is amazing. You ever tried the devices like the Aurora I just ordered that a roaring. It's the ring that now editors your vitals. A buddy not a buddy of mine. He's associate of mine. hoped to have him on a podcast in his name's Jeff Wu. He's big bio hacker, but that ring is supposed to be really accurate is so basically, if US insight into what your body's going at it, I think a lot of it has to do with physical movement. So when you're moving in your shifting which I do constantly yeah Tracks your sleep that way, and then gives you feedback and then gives you windows like for some reason like today I got up at four in the morning. Jacobi proud yeah. I took a picture of my see I. Don't post pictures. I wake up at three fifty but I, don't post. It's a secret closed again I'm three, forty nine but it's five. Yeah, we don't. I don't like to Brag Hashtag. But when I when I woke up, I think it was four seventeen. I stayed up. But. If I go back to bed at six, thirty or seven, there's this magic window where I'm nauseous because I can't I'm so frigging fatigued and tired that I sleep from six thirty to seven thirty or even six, thirty, seven it feels like I got ten hours of sleep really because I'm so fucking burned out and I don't know what it is. That we're fucked up because we're fucking horrible. So we have to go back explain to me why you started missing contingency I'd. Be the longest digression in you. fucking. I don't know how we went down that path would I'm glad that we did that was that's fucking insane Sorry about that stop looking at your instagram, but I know. Three Yoga picks young. America well. So we got to the naming convention. Yeah. Then people reaching out to you saying, Hey, what do you WANNA do? Yes. What should we do? I should say well so we the IT lined out is I I did well, here's the biggest problem with all this. How the fuck do you do that anything without being suppressed because when I when I thought about it, even on my own account and talking about it in live feats they're getting taken down. INSTAGRAM. Mechanism is for that. Is that people complaining or do they have an algorithm? It's it's both. Okay. It's it has to do with key words and phrases. It even has to do with What's complaints? And I have is why report your posts every time me to mmediately click on This man's racist. I've been giving you one stars on your podcast I do zero. But it hasn't been changed in the the stacks you're getting bigger and better, and you get more ratings I'm just helping you out there. it does have to do with that in I realized it's not going to help either if you early on get branded externally as a Fringe Organization militia, right wing the combination of this do none of those are going to help either I'm sure those algorithms are looking for shit like that like facebook deleted not only antifa counts but every single. I think they're called three presenters. The three percent are group's the right wing Gush of the Patriot groups they deleted them all I mean thousands of them I I even had some contact me like how can we reallocate or guys want to get involved? So when when I looked at this from a cut up kind of a business mind perspective in how to affect the most people. I realized that I couldn't put it on any social media platform I did put on instagram until it is. Eventually, it'll suppressed but I wanted to have a contingency set up to where people can go outside of the main social media platforms to be able to find us. So a buddy of mine will Harbin bigshot the will and and Georgia? He's a video game company guy. bought sold. Traded did a whole bunch of companies he goes hey, you should use a company called locals and I'm like well, I'm not good. He's fucking because logos like your local. LS Yeah, it's like a it's like a fuck I thought it was a fucking dating APP. It's like farmers dot com ca from Sony dammit. Farmers Dot com I gotta take my profile down. Your shirt today though dude fuck you'd be I'd put that as your profile I fucking. Blew my Let's work on our hamstring flexibility. fucking Jim over there Oh. Yeah. Do involuntary yoga folding clothes with people still in it is it oh yeah. That's that's the best kind. Is that open still you guys are still open, right? Yes. Can I even say that on the? Sort of. Tennis. I don't know the exact phase that we are in in Montana but traveling Keesa the owners there, and they actually proactively shut down very early. Yeah. and and they were right to do. So I think both from a medical and social optic perspective I have been able to train the entire time, but I also take it upon myself my own. Health Safety and security of things that we're talking about. So a small group of us who manage their social contacts would meet and we would still train and accept the risk of that and what will we really honest though if we're travelling who were hanging out with but where we are is geographically remote, I mean Montana is a socially distance of that. Yeah by topography and geography. So I have been able to keep training, but they have phased back in based on the guidelines that have come through. So it is open now. Yes I love it man So he he hits me up and he says you should be on this platform negatives, Dayton platforms, kind of blow him off and I'm looking. For platforms my my idea was I'll just crowd source this shit and I'll. I'll start on my own. APP. That is I realized how much fucking APPS cost millions and millions of dollars for a good one for a good one you I mean, you could go on and make your own fucking Goo up and it's a bag of shit. Don't do that. Yeah. In the in the worst thing about that is when you when you start looking at something like this, which is harvesting. Social Contacts. It's completely and utterly. potentially. Exportable by should heads, of course, and and most people don't think about that. So I security is on my mind. where I put them on a platform is on my mind and then not being suppressed. So I've actually reach out to the guy named Ari who's who's the CEO of local he's also co founder and he's a former Israeli defense officer interesting American and he's like, Hey man. Listen. I know secure in Israel is no security more than anybody and he's like, I, I know what you're talking about and here's Laid out for you and he lays out the groundwork for for the server he goes we will never suppress you. We are not in the business of suppression. That's why we started locals because we want to have people on the platform who know that if they want moderate, they'll moderate themselves, which is another fucking ball of wax. So. He gave me the confidence that I could. Potentially push everybody to locals. So I start that movement. While the problem with the problem I think it's actually the benefit of locals is that it's a subscription based model just like all these platforms, how the fuck are you supposed to build the server, maintain the server for free and do it for free? So we started looking at it. I go all here. We'll do a free version of it, which is American contingency that does open source Intel I got twenty two analyst who are OJ guys. That open source gather information and then reallocated and disseminate it for geographical regions. They'll say, hey, there's a protest in your area in this vicinity on this hour on this date. Stay the fuck away. And so they do that for free on America contingency dot? com. And, there's a paid slot and I'm like I'm not gonNA charge people a lot of fucking money. So what's the minimum bucks? So the minimum is five dollars a month, and in that fold, it allows us to start vetting people. Which means I do a background investigation on you. I verify you are who you say you are, and you're not a shithead. Even if you're a shithead as long as you didn't touch a child I'm okay with that. So I support the death penalty for pedophile. I support like fucking like torture and fucking Oh. I was going to I didn't say how they were going to die. Yeah. We should be Burnham's motherfuckers to the ground the sex offender APP which is a to me a d. f. tool a directly finding fucking tool should if you're going to go out and kill yourself. This is like you should I I want to advocate for you did not do that but all these people were fucking wasting their lives. There's plant I shouldn't say this on a podcast. I think this is my inside voice coming out. What you on the sex offender APP, you could fuck it fine shitheads in your backyard by a Red Pin. You don't. You don't even WanNa look at that in Florida by the way. I have looked at that and I look at least take a look at it anytime that I've looked at moving and all I will say to people is you should go take a look and. You'll probably be utterly shocked. It's fucking scary. Isn't it? The number of red pins is very, very high. It looks like a cancer direct and and more. More. So if you click on the red pen shows you the dudes face and if you look at these fucking people you're like, wow wow. I, don't mean to stereotype but you fucking look like a sex offender not uber like the fucking on the map. Yeah it's fucking insane. Yeah. anyways, we digress again we do. That's fine. It's American contingency paywall. So so there's the the pay wall which might might begin also to is we have people complain they're like. Like hosted twenty thousand dollars with training at South Carolina at the Sawmill it's actually going on today September Eleventh Twelfth Thirteenth for three hundred people from all from low from American contingency dot locals, Dot Com. So there members and they got a training from mostly seals five navy seals, three GS buddies a couple of guys who are teaching them self defense situation awareness net just tactics, but how to think you know? And their families there there's people who they're with their children. There's there's husband and wives training together. And and there's people complaining saying five dollars it's like fuck dude. You could pay five dollars for fucking energy drinking a gas station, but you're fucking complaining about getting free information and free training via an apparatus that brings people together. So I thought, how is this going to? How am I going to navigate this world? and and what does it look like evolving? Well, one, it is a means to educate people. So it's a train apparatus that's online training, off-line training, physical training mindset training. Also. Teaching people how to lead in their own communities. When I did my first American hit couldn't see me it was Oregon. And maybe fifty seventy five people showed up. It was a small group because we're restricted by the the community center that allows us to do it. And the sentiment was the same they're scared. They don't know what to do. They don't know what the start point is. So people just need guidance and I want to run this like how effective of government should work where I give you the promise that I'm GonNa give you left and right limits. I'm going to create some construct of law and order which is saying, Hey, you can't scumbag and be on this APP you can't be you can't be a troll and talk shit and be negative and toxic 'cause they'll just block in fucking delete I'll give you your fucking five dollars back. And then give you education where you can do what you need to do in your own communities to lead on your own because the dictatorship, the hierarchy that the I'm going to be the sergeant major. You're going to be the team leaders that will fuck it never work because people have their own incentives, their own agendas, and we'll fucking fail. So I'm I'm saying look I'm not on that sergeant major glover's not flying out to you and fucking cure. But what you could do is look in your own communities you can look at the construct of the way you're organized families, friends whatever that might look like, and you can come together as a community and stand up in your churches stand up in your workplaces and say, Hey, maybe we should do something together and come together as a community to protect ourselves and that just manmade. We're not talking about fucking. Writes the bigger scheme of maneuver. Here is we're talking about what's going on right now with the displacement of human beings and the wildfires in Oregon in. California. Did you hear about the National Guard forty-seven pilots just came in? Yeah. How they took off with against sore guys with those one sixtieth guy I don't think they were they might have actually been forty six is instead of forty-sevens, but I'm amazed. Amazed, they could take off with their balls weighing them down. fucking believable. Basically from what I heard Kalfa was like listen we can't get to you. It was like two hundred people national guards, just GonNa fucking die in the National Guard like hold my fuck and beer just a the. Launch and people out of the fall. In. fucking rescue those people some of those pictures from the cockpit to like Shit is just a blaze everywhere saying guys just like. Yeah he'll be as fuck and handlebar. Moustache. US With the Raleigh. Seniors. Pipe a fucking. Love that man. I I. That is the thing to go in. This is another one that I try to tell people. You can avoid. The riots and protests largely unless you know again, Tim was talking about the Uber driver who got put in the wrong direction. He got fucked right in Austin. He ended up shooting the guy who appointed an egg. But Guess What if you pointed Aka me I'm gonNA shoot you too. It's happens. That's a mathematical formula in my mind there's no emotion in that. That is one plus one equals two shots to your face. But mostly, it's completely and utterly avoidable. You don't have to go strap a gun on and come down to callous bell to they. All were protecting the veterans monuments like. I don't know if it was really at risk, you don't have to do that. But. You have probably no choice if of wild, let me look where I live to you or were house last time. There's a damn good chance. Well, not a damn good chance but I have a better chance of being involved in an environmental situation that I ever will. Because I'm not going to go to a riot I'm not going to I'm going to remove myself from that. There are so many more threats other than what you just see on the news. Yeah. I what I people should understand even though it seems like the world's falling apart the world when it comes to natural disasters is literally falling apart. Yeah. We we are consumed constantly with. In the new cycle because you haven't seen it, there's been a catastrophic windstorm. A cyclone a hurricane numerous tornadoes wasn't a double hurricane. Yeah. Taxes to to storm surges caused by to back to back tropical storms that that hit the country there was there's major wildfires that are making historic references right now in the history books, it's the biggest cal fire circumstance they've ever dealt with an history. Oregon's following that same suit it since two thousand fifteen was the the highest spike of fires. They will beat that this year, the mayor boy or the government or just blamed it on climate control thought was comical. Talking. Let's not even go down there. But what I want people to understand is America catoon sees about looking at yourself and realizing that you need to be your own first response you have to take your life in your own hands and the lies your family's if you're waiting for governments if you're waiting for institutions to come bell your ass out, then you're going to fucking potentially risk your life and that's not okay. The the evolution of this the last components be prepared, but the evolution of this is I want people to be able to help each other understanding they're they're also in the American continuously pipeline. So it's just a better way of looking at you as being vetted. Right. If I show up on seeing gotTa American continuously shirt sticker ID where the fuck it is and you're married guy we have a commonality or a common bond and at least establish soap's we know, hey, we know what I ate and trauma is you know and it's generalized I, don't I don't mean we know how to shoot move and communicate together I just mean we're on the same sheet. Of fucking music. So when when it does hit the fan and we're able to logistically which requires funds that's why I'm excited that it is a a revenue stream because we're able to do the training on the east. Coast, we're doing it Dallas Fort Worth we're doing series. California were doing it and Golden Del Washington, these mass events where we could help train that one day we could mobilize and help each other and I don't give a fuck. If there's nothing going on, we'll go to the fucking homeless and trying to take ten homeless people off the streets and and have counselors, psychologists and people there to help them see if we can get them off the fucking streets. We are surrounded by natural manmade disasters and catastrophes every single day. Oh, he's going on somewhere in the world at all times sanitary sixty five. We could have a community of like minded people who on the same sheet of music that have some semblance of organisation that have that are like minded per out of all the things that I've seen bring people together like Jujitsu brings your your people in your community together right Preparedness. Is that for me because when when, when I see people from different sides of the aisle liberals from San Francisco Conservatives from fucking Dallas Texas when they show up and they're the idea for them is to look at trauma for stayed whatever the fuck it is and getting better prepared to take care of their families they're bonded in that and it's one. Of the things that I've seen bring people together for years in my company Feel Cross survival and for me America Tennessee is the idea that we could come together as a broader community through that means it's not a fucking militant movement because it's a bad tactic it is a movement to to look in your own communities, your own backyard and come together as such. Would you agree grab that one I was GONNA kill been fucking kill that bitch you're reading me would you agree? That absolutely nothing that we did in our combined careers had any like. True Magic to it meaning that it can be reduced i. mean you come into something with whatever physical or? Emotional skills. You may have as a person and I went in with what I went. But The product or the things that we were able to do came from like the crawl walk run philosophy starting with foundational steps through practice training, practice, training, practice, training, AD, nauseam. And I guess my point in Saint all this is. I often see people who view the special operations community as Fuck like UNICORNS like No. Those people in the reality is I think that's the farthest from the truth I think that people. If they dedicate the time and energy and effort to whatever degree they want to. I'm not saying trying to make yourself into a J sock operator because if you WanNa do that, join the fuck military and then they'll do that. But then go do some good stuff with that information the point being. You could teach people everything that we did. There's no magic recipe that somebody's holding behind one of these curtain saying we're not going to share this with you. You just have to do it. When I look at it when I start all my technical, we we call him, you know gunfighter whatever. That's a marketing tactic because if you call it technical skill sets or pistol WANNA one. Won't sell as much as to be a chaplain for pistol one fifteen yeah. They're like nobody show on the advanced course there's no and that's. That's that's it. Right? There is. There's no fucking advance. There's no advanced Ninja school and I always tell people my in brief I hate to say this but I'm GonNa underwhelming you with what you're gonNA. Learn. But what I am going to do is allow you to understand. Technically that everything I'm teaching you is a developed. Technical Rep- of Skillset, right? It's it's the mechanical process. Outside of that you have cognitive processes in decision making that are going to allow you to navigate the world around you executing those technical scripts and the better your technical scripts. The more efficient you're, which means the more capability you're going to have to open up your cognition toll idea to think through problem sets. That's why seek you be close quarters. Battle starts out very technical and it's very mundane. It's it's too man Jammeh tree. Yeah. It's three men into a room center fed corner. It's it's men it's adding problems because if you add too many problems, you become overwhelmed especially if it's compounded compounded by stress what tell people all these technical shit that you learn. That never changes. If you're if you're learning on a flat range, how to shoot a pistol. and. You're doing this in a box like this rectangle that is your hands in the pistol in front of your filled the view, and it's a visual game of executing technical skill sets. What's the difference between that a flat range at seventy five degrees sunny no stress in a seven, forty seven running down the aisle trying to shoot a bad guy in the face to rescue the good guy in real life there is no difference. The only difference that are that guns are legal in airplanes. You could never do that. That's that's a video game. It's on a bus. To. Bus. The. Only difference is the environment in which you're in. So when when John Develop new mechanics in that situation, don't come up with a new tactic day. Please don't. Yeah. Because because if you realize that then you understand that what you're doing physically that you're emulating technically never changes. So if you think about that like just thinking of the kind of the fucking high level thought strategy here. If I want to be as good as the guy running down the aisle on the seven, forty seven of the bus or the bus. You probably should go. Let's go but. Then, I want to imagine that I'm going to take all the technical skill sets that I execute on a flat rate just as serious, and then practice all the different environments, which is the advancement of executing technical scripts. So now if I'm sideways laying on my side shooting a pistol in front of a car behind a car or I'm in a car or in my bed getting the pistol from. The nightstand, the technicalities of that remain the same the environment has changed. So you take all that which is a technical skill sets in the cognition that's required to perform or to maneuver through that environment, and then you take stress. That's really that is the discriminating factor between what makes an operator elite versus a person potentially be good or bad because what I've seen is the most technically proficient. People on the planet they've gone through the Q. Course they've gone through OTC, they've gone through a ranger training whatever the training is. That is not the end. All be all. Understanding of how that person is going to react in the most accumulated stress in the world, which is combat with war so I've seen the guys who were operators. or or special. Operations. Guys. In the fetal shivering shaking Sam because there's because maybe because we train for reacting to contact the bullets to guns but we're getting one. Oh, seven millimeter rockets shot in that have. A hundred plus meters and nobody prepares you for that, and then that person and you can hear those fuckers coming do does that sound is horrendous my butthole inside out we're like incoming mortar fire Oh fuck man dude insane that that's that's another level but the the point is no matter. If you look at that no matter what you do on a range no matter what you do in training. Ultimately is not going to prepare you for war like wars going to prepare you for war. That's why that's why I harp on this. Emulation technical script writing, and they an influence on instagram versus somebody who maybe is that the fastest fucking shooter but he's been to war he's been. He's been tested validated and proven, and he he's a warfighter. There's a huge fucking difference between the two of those. I would actually take what if I look backwards I would say because I get asked this often people will say, well, how did what adjacent shooter stack up against? Three gun champion and for ninety nine point nine percent of the guys they would get the floor mop with them. But they're from a technical proficiency standpoint? So solid that you could take that shooter into the bus the plane they do fine on a three gun. They're not GonNa win you know against professional shooters but take that professional shooter. Take the race gone away. Give them a piece of military hardware or fuck glock forty, five with regular sites. And say, Hey, you need to perform in all these other environments what you're going to see is one guy who just kind of cruises and performs versus guys here, and then comes back down the other direction. Yeah. I'll take the guy who's at seventy percentile, the entire time. Yeah, and in the the technical scriptwriter, the person who who practices, the technicalities of executing physical movement. That has nothing to do with the script under stress, right so the guy who runs the gauntlet of steel and paper targets and he smashes, it shows the fucking pro timer of how good is had executing a script props to you for being efficient physically and optimizing your movement and having the fastest time Kudos to you try doing that in the middle of the night in a gunfight. Bullets at you trying to take your fucking life. Why do you have to make fun Attaran tactical like that? He's a good script writer. Let's make fun of Joe Rogan Joe I. See that fucking Terron tactical range and I see shooting really fast did I'm glad that brought. Why do that hurts my feelings when I see that? because. I'm like you could see if you look at the array of target, well, they never show the impacts, but they never should. It's because every array and how it's offset you could shoot and hit any because they'll and the way that you're looking I know exactly what you're talking about the Pov of the shooter. You're just literally working probably Fronta back and it seems to be a left to right on that one side. Dude, and you know the deal is a shoes you're sitting there fucking dignity naming it is leading the recoil drive you in that direction there's no consciousness there. Does, dudes are can put most of them chicks and no offense to the checks, but most of them are just turned off their unconscious and they're just blasting that to stay cognitive during. The hardest thing for though scriptwriters. is to stop or interrupt the script as executed. It's the same. It's like the idea of doing a practical shooting exercise where you shoot the target three times and then you look left look look behind you one. When you shoot three times, you're executing a script that if you needed to shoot five rounds what would interrupt the cognition or the script. For you to be cognitive to go way three Theron's it and put them down the likelihood of doing that is less likely the more efficient you are. So if you could, if you're the script writer who grunts around in these got, let's and you do Xyz but somebody puts in and moves a target five inches to the left and you fucking miss it. Tells me your conscious to the script, but you're not conscious to reality and the unfortunate thing about reality is reality maneuvers in space and time very fluidly. So it doesn't have a pattern of paper and still arrayed in fucking micrometres right and and so when you take the operator. WHO's not as as much technically, a script proficient he's thinking through problem sets that are saving his life and people's lives around him and killing bad guys. That's how it works. I'm glad that those guys are out there You know these they're probably learning safe weapons. Well, I'm sure they are safe weapons handling nip relation to get behind the counter I love that my only concern is confusing that type of stuff with reality. Yeah and that's that to me being in the in tactical industry is the biggest problem that we have because. When, when, when somebody shows up likely they showed up because they saw me or even the script writer shoot fast and go Mike I wanNA shoot like a gunfighter well, the question should be. or or the or the the comet should be Mike I want to perform or Mike I want to think like a gunfighter right and I tell people especially in everyday carry and and and practical. Application if you are drawing a pistol and shooting bad guy in the face, you have fucked up ten times ten ten times before that actual. Happened, unless you got like ambush in the parking yet, there are the exceptions Jay Baldwin I talked to bj often he sponsored by monster and Toyota trucks he's a he's a big proponent of everyday Kerry. He's always into guns and everything else. Him and his girlfriend was shot at on Shit TV camera. I remember this. Yeah. He fucking I mean dude he he he pinched that dude from. To his face, a executing the right script, but using the right process and activating the criteria for the script in fear full of. Is when you see a guy. WHO Like I like a ADC carry pistol course I didn't the Sawmill and saw Carolina. I said to one of the young men said, you're at a gas station got pissed off Kerry carrying the pistol and a guy comes up to you. And the guy coming up to you is antagonizing US Talk Shit and he shows you the back strap of his glock, nineteen in his waistband what are you going to do? and His answer was I'm going to draw my gun. And then when I draw my gun on him, I'm going to stop and give him a chance and then, and then after I'm done giving him the chance I might depending on what he does shoot him. And so I said okay that's good because the good in this is that we're talking about it because most people don't even they haven't asked themselves the question and they definitely haven't been asked the question. So they said that's good. taught me through this process you pull the gun and you hold the gun on the guy and he draws the pistol. Then when you're GONNA do off of him. Okay. So your criteria. For killing somebody. Is when they go and physically move to the the gun. That's actually good. Next question you. What would you do if I saw the back strap of the GonNa pull a gun and shoot the do in the face Oh. Okay. That's an answer. That's a solution. Let me walk you through that process. You shot in the face who showed you the backdrop of a gun. What your criteria was was seeing the gun. On. Camera as on TV camera if it recorded that, it would look like murder it would look you shot him in the face and you killed him if he lived what's history going to be hey, man I went up and ask for directions he got hostile with me and I got scared and thought I was going to have to use my gun and I didn't do anything and he drew the pistol when he shot me and he wounded me he took. Physically possess every item that he's ever owned in his life. Yeah. Now it's now it's fucking. Came over now civil court it's civil. So now when I look at both those circumstances, the problem with how people market tactics is they make it look like it's a fucking game. The problem that we've identified in combat, it's it's not a game it's a, it's a balance between life and death. Then the game in the sense of it's comical fucking entertaining the game in the sense of one person's GonNa win and one person's GonNa fucking lose and if you hesitate in that action or don't understand the fucking process, you're potentially going to lose. So I said to the kid who drew the pistol and he held on the guy, you're not a police officer. By law if you pulled the gun and you brandished a firearm that would be a criminal act same as the guy showing you the Baxter famous. Yes same as same as guy show in the back strap, and then if you decide to shoot that guy, you've already committed the violent act before that and likely in a civil trial or in a criminal trial of trying to defend your life, you more likely would probably get manslaughter. You more likely would because you look like the antagonised, you pulled the gun, you're pointing gun in Deutz face. So most people would say, well, Mike with the fuck is the right answer with the right answer as there's a balance between living in operating and reward environments and Your fucking criteria to go right I have a criteria like you have criteria. We what's what's what's unique to the conversation is we know what the switches because not only have. We thought about it but we executed. So I know what my criteria is. So in that circumstance, if a guy is antagonizing me I am trying to mitigate contacted risk on putting the door that's in front of me between us I'm walking around to the front of my vehicle to look for cover and concealment I'm staging my fingers or my hands near the the bottom of my fucking flannel plaid shirt because I'm ready to remove it to get access to my pistol and I'm looking for. Because, if his behavior is violent, he's coming towards me. He's antagonizing me and that's one thing that doesn't mean it's the criteria in the fucking face which most kids who see these gun fighter tacticians on instagram would think I'll just fucking more that do down will you go to prison for the rest of your so easy to say and it's so not black and white like that. It's easy to demonstrate on paper fucking target rubber dummy even this retracted gun same same circumstance but now I've mitigated risk he goes for his gun in the movement of moving my execution is is executing the rolodex that have in the back of my head and picking out the script of. Draw from picnics, carry and shooting him in the chest in the face until he goes down and he's no longer threat. That's that's the technical scrip that that I've written but it's also tied to the cognition that I'm thinking through. So it's not like three rounds checking out gunned down looking down left right and rear. It's fucking. Thinking and technically scripting. The execution of it if you go to any everyday carry concealed carry course you do it yourself. The conversations that you had fucking dinner table could be more advantageous than the actual course. Literally, nobody asks the fucking question Yeah I mean let's let's ask you just fucking the entertainment because because you've been in these circumstances, what is the criteria for you to literally lift your shirt, pulled a pistol out of your waistband out of your holster and present the gun and go to work what what does that. So for me, I'M NOT GONNA, present unless a mini use it because I'm not going to brandish for. So if I go I'm going to go and for me the line in the sand is probably deeper or closer to me because I'm comfortable in my reaction like that same scenario you're talking about I was already thinking through it in my head. You can always manage you know spacing distance usually, and I'm looking I'm looking at posture I'm looking as drunk. You know what I mean is he Drunk did he mean you know what I mean? Did he meet the brandish? People branch accidentally. But guess what was right next to that fucking pistol grip was a badge. Yeah. You know what I mean. It doesn't necessarily mean there's a lot of shit you gotta take into play time of day another thing to be looking at us. Hey, is there another mother fucker with this dude am I getting maneuvered on will disguise looking at me I would do exactly the same thing. And I would be comfortable in my reaction. That my my line in the sand is an aggressive movement with the intent for that individual to do harm or to take my life, and once that is Matt I'm going to go and go until the threat is no longer a threat. That's the greatest thing you said in that is. in assessing the environmental factors or it will call this distal behavioral factors. You're determining what your actions are going to be based on their actions and people forget that because a deliberate hit looks very different than a drunk bomb looking for money. It's all deliberate here is not going to look like that at all. Yeah, tactically. behaviorally, there's there's all these signs indications and my my favorite thing you said also to created like you have the ability in your own shoes and your feet to create this into space. Yep. Just back to the point of what you about the protesters with a gun in the body armor you are disadvantaged. Mismanaging the tactic because you're not allowing yourself to break contact and you're creating the the circumstance to only meet those confrontations head on, and that's a bad tactic. That's that's like walking out in the middle of the street and Baghdad and getting out of your up armored vehicle walking down the middle of the road kicking cans that are with a high is. Fuck it. I'm taking the chance here. That don't do that. Don't be that fucking guy yeah. Hard to they're not hard to talk through I. Take that back is the exact opposite for you and either very easy to talk our way through like we could go situation. After situation and. The problem I think is that people think they're far easier to deal with than are in reality the decision to take another person's life should not be something that you are braggadocious about a shouldn't be driven bravado or. I mean, fuck. We probably both know people that want that's narrow play itself out in in the gas station and I don't want to. Yeah. You know I'd. Rather. I'd rather give some fuck wit a pass and give him another day and look on camera like, Oh, well, you were just opposing him like no I just basically walked away I managed my distance and walked away and we both live and there was no police report and none of this shit like I'd rather do that. Then be wrong. Why is I I've noticed that in myself as I've gotten older but also was a team guy in. And active duty D I was looking for fights everywhere and I was I remember it being a gas station, the shitty gas stations because unlike I wish motherfucker would. Like like. I guess it's I in my experience it's been the more exposure to violence the least likely you are to actually seek it out. Yes, and when it comes to fighting if you think you're going to be a bad ass in a fight, what I recommend people do is go due to budget soon. Realize you actually don't WANNA put hands on people because these nerd assassin motherfuckers who wear Harry Potter spectacles and fucking crunched numbers all day long will bow tie your shit and you realize it's just not worth it because you never. Unite are very I mean nobody knows who I am in this town, which is awesome. I don't have fuck in a punisher skull on the back of my truck with a veteran license plate in a fucking purple heart and have two of those don't tread on me. Of course, this describing your vehicle is I saw earlier today. I don't have any of that shit military's I don't work cam. o- out in town spoiler alert. It. Yeah and I don't mean gays in happy. I mean gays in sucking another man's Dick which I don't know if I can say that on a podcast. The opposite. One due to in another dude and it's nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying it's gay. I don't wear camel out in town. I don't wear like veteran t shirts I don't. I don't have a hat that says Operation Enduring Freedom veteran with should that'd be bad ass run away from those people. I just want to be left alone. I don't want to be involved in violence because I've seen it. I've been on the receiving end I've been on the action and of it and it all hurts does to degree in the short term or the long term, and I don't want any part of it. Man I just WanNa be left the fuck alone. I think I have a lot of empathy for people now more as well like when I see these even these dumb ass in Deutz I'm like, do you guys need a fucking job? How about this one? Is Silence Violence Mike Belmonte fucking God. surreptitious silence Holy Fetch thing now no they will scream people down your silences violence and again I was talking with Bishop is we need a different bumper sticker that says violence is violence and silence silence. True. It's fucking ridiculous. It's it's the redefining of of words like words used to mean something, and now it's like you could create any accumulation of fucking words and and change the world because it's just defined by you in the fucking cronies that that work or live with you or Buy. into. Your Bullshit. Just is somebody who's been around what's called an average amount of violence in their life. It doesn't feel to me like silence. At all not even close but once an incredible talking point that they'll sit there and like you know, yell at Unisys like. Again context, let's get some more context. Let's get some more laps around the sun. Let's get some more experience outside of an insulated bubble where you're surrounded by opportunity. which maybe it makes people too soft. I think it's a part of that I. don't like when I see all the circumstances unfolding where people are getting bullied like the you see the one where they're in the restaurant. There's one in the subway where telling talent razor fist and they. Had A pen in them. I just can't fathom one of us being in that circumstance right? I can't fathom doing that to another human being to me that seems like. If, I was to try to think of a way an effective way to make sure that nobody would ever even truly consider my idea or philosophy away. That is how I would make sure that has never. Even considered. Yeah that'd be like the number. Okay. How about some with the least effective way I can behave to spread my message it would look exactly like I want people to see I want people to hate me and I. I also want people to realize that I'm tyrannical I'm the dictator repressive dictator and and it fits like when I see that when they talk about fascism and Nazi Germany I see that in the go that's fucking the woven s I mean they're fucking bully tactics or like they'll girl following some the couples out of the GOP convention. And they're they're walking the cell phones and she's like I'm GonNa Kill Your Wife How do you feel about that? I'M GONNA fucking kill your wife as they're walking I can't imagine walking with my spouse and somebody's saying I'm going to kill your fucking loved one that's not going to go. That would not oh, that would not go but the proper here's the. All that said the problem that I see that actually that is stupid. Right I. I. Look at that Shit, I go comic. What's this dumb shit but the problem that I see is when you have people who are politicians in positions of. literal power like meaning the district attorney's your that are changing use of force policies across our nation. That's fucking scary because if I defend my life in that circumstance, if you have somebody anywhere on any given day, they come up to you and put their finger in your face and they say I'm GonNa fucking kill you. That's a crime. You can't you can't. You can't one you. You can't tell somebody you're gonNA fucking kill them because you can't verbalize a assault. Yeah. You can't say that that'd be like saying I have a gun will you told everybody had a gun calling nine one one you're probably going get rolled the bomb on an airplane Bob. Bob here. So that with that being said. If it's not enforced and there's no ramifications and there's only pandering and facilitation. Then what does that look like for us on the other end that are just law-abiding because if I'm in that circumstance, I'm grabbing that. Woman by her fucking face almost use a different home when I was. So full almost use a different word almost think it started with a B. No no, no something else see. No. One. fucking. Chick chick with sort of. It was I would take that fucking chick I would smash your fucking grabbed her by her face and shoves her off the fucking sidewalk that I was on and project violence. So everybody around who thought they were going to violently do anything. Now it's like you know dogs small each other's asses. Let everybody know that I'm the fucking Alpha in that circumstance, and then I would posture myself to be able to defend my life because the the chance of that going bad or high because now it what it's turning into is I'm going to push you get an era fifteen. Then we're pushing the fucking ground. They don't take a skateboard hit you in the fucking head. fucking pistol and pretend like recall, and then try to shoot you in the face and Rittenhouse experience fucking for those. All those are compounded when you are. The minority meaning numbers wise. Vastly superior mob mentality fuck man do those mobs. That Renou Shit bums me the fuck out because it really does he's. Boy Same Way. I'm like fucked I if that was my son that would bought the fuck out because now I like the likelihood of going to prison for murder as unlikely but the likelihood of him I don't think there was premeditation. So they're going to have them with that but manslaughter reckless reckless homicide. Charge us a minimum of five years in prison that dude for a seventeen year old kid who thought he was doing the right thing which you can't argue that the ANTIFA people think they're doing the fuck right thing throwing bricks at people's faces hitting people in the head with skateboards. That's never the right thing. But defending standing there with an ar fifteen defending a business at as all accounts lineout and videos that he was doing it for the right reasons. Even, he was the day before he was scrubbing graffiti off a fucking wall. Yeah I mean it's unfortunate that whole fucking thing took place. It's unfortunate that this guys lost their allies over something. Dumb. I agree and I actually think that his his mom if she took him there knowing what he was up to share in that prison sentence I. Think so too I. Think She's fucking adult. Yeah. He's he's a minor. He's a fucking child. Yeah I mean that was in the army was seventeen but nobody gave a fuck to you know because at. Argument will come up, but we were also trained and supervised, and we were never at a point where we were running around by ourselves was Eric's this even you're part of of a unit working together as a team. It was a very different environment you. Yes. People were eighteen or seventeen and a half, whatever it may be conjoined military and get that training. But they're not like sent off into the woods by themself. Yeah. You know it's it's a completely controlled environment and what you have almost at all times especially if you're that young is very senior people with severe oversight over you because guess what that Shit's dangerous. Yeah. Fuck you. If if there was a recall right now would you go? Yes. No hesitation. Would you go back? Oh, three would depend on the job they were offering me. Shooter or flying desk I'd be like, here's my commission. Take that commission. Yeah. I. Mean I don't I don't think I'll ever lose. The willingness to do that I think I'm timed out currency wise. Intact gear is moved on. I'm sure the tactics are relatively the same but. I mean how how? How could I not? Yeah. How can I pass with? They came to me and said, Hey, we need you to come who the fuck would I be. If I said, no, go find somebody else I have to I believe that you have to be. In a value, add responsible accountable member of society and already dedicated my life to that earlier on and the philosophies that I had. When I went in there had been strengthened the the love that I have for this country. Regardless if I believe in somebody's opinion or not I'll still listen to them like it's only been strengthened, which are which, what's that purpose or what's that Service. Now, what are you doing? I think we're doing it right now I think. Well. I don't know I don't. We talked about mushrooms we'd. Well it I think it's the fact that we can sit down and have a longer conversation from an interesting experience that a lot of people don't have and I and I and I say that I think it's meaningful because I get hundreds of messages from people saying, Hey, this was meaningful to me. I mean from a tactical perspective I everybody has an expiration date. You'll time out but the ability to pass on that knowledge to talk about things like leadership and integrity and accountability and responsibility. And how to apply those things the what if scenarios that we're talking about I? Think it has incredible value I think we're doing that now. That affects thousands of people I think it does does probably less so you and I because we're talking about things we came up though in such a bizarre and unique path if you really think about it from just a math perspective. Are. Optic in our context is very it's skewed and that's why I thinking by fucked him. You're right like I don't think about the bias I have or the inherent distrust, but it comes from. Engagements with human beings that just. You know seeing the worst sides of humanity there's no way I can turn that off and I do view everybody that way. But don't worry I view everybody that way equally across the board man or woman. I inherently hate you until you prove otherwise. What do you? What do you? What do you find in passion in now is it seems like he picked up the you're. Well, I loved you Jitsu for a couple of aspects. One is a never ending learning process, right so how can you not for me? I love those things do not fall in love with something where the state moves along with you like you'll never master it. So I love that but also there is a crazy element of. Psychological and physiological readiness in there as well. Having I mean, it's not Jitsu. I say, this is a concept. It's not hard but being very good at it or proficient in it is very hard. It's it's weight in leverage in. Angles. An you know that's really easy to say those three things and you're going to get smashed for years on the Mat because you have to learn those things incrementally the concepts of shooting not that hard right stance how to hold a gun satellite manager control your trigger easy to say we could go out to a range right now and people would be shooting into the ground in front of them would be like a shocking pattern because it's easy to say it's hard to do but. I loved you too because it keeps my mind sharp and I do view it from the perspective of self defense and you need to hear this people not self offense. I don't want to get in a fight. Yeah. I don't fuck and want to get in a fight. Yeah. But if you force me to that place, I'm going to be as capable and competent as humanly possible and if he forced me to that place where there's weapons involved, you need to stand the fuck by because I'm still training on those things as well. So I think. The most. Rewarding thing that I do at this point, one would be going and talking to organizations and people about leadership that's off the table right now. So that'd be probably the thing I'm the most passionate about. But I. Think we're touching more people now. Yeah. Doing this. Yeah. It seems like It always has seemed that way in the last few years since I started my podcast that it's becoming a thing. Yeah. podcasting long-form versions of it. Are. Know quite that third person in the room. Yeah. Go to digest all that information Are you gay or Nogi? I do both do both most of the class will the class that we take our wearing a ghee but definitely open matt pop the top on and off and I think a lot actually with a conversation with Rogan about this because I was asking him he came. Up I know he got his black belt from one of the Machado's and I mean I, it might have been John Jock but he got also a black belt from Eddie Bravo, which is specifically Nogi and I think he did more of that than rolling. So I asked him how he approaches Roy Magee and the thing with a key to do like door handles you're just like year. which is not there except for in Montana like your flannel would is pretty much I. Choke you to death tweet or anyway. Yeah it's it is even t shirts if the less a seems don't rip, you can get choked to death with a Goddamn beefy t hanes. But. In Montana sweatshirts jackets, it's pretty common but talking to joe he's like when I wrote the G I just don't take those grips. So that way what he is doing is not reliant upon clothing and I like that right he's able why rely on a single point failure and then that's that's a day one shit for us I don't WanNa have a tactic only works it's like hey, here's a tactic asterix if they're wearing a jacket. What about is the benefit? Yeah. What if we're at the beach, you know like we had no jacket no shirts were wearing shorts to work there. So I always approach. Jujitsu from a perspective of. Being able to handle myself in the thing is like the more I learn about at the least the less likely am I don't want to go and do that shit in a bar I don't want to hurt anybody because you learn about you know like, okay it's it's. It's not even fair when you encounter when you are somebody who doesn't know anything but they've been. So. Easy. It is easy in you know what? The the easier thing fucking walkaway Byrom walkaway. or You as your body holding up very well actually. Yeah. So but I'm in fucking indestructible. There's never been somebody built lake me yes true. Tall. lanky. Yeah. No it's. I got my I, got miles on the old. Meet vehicle that I. Walk Around your backs good. Yeah. Knees back. Sneeze at my elbow a couple weeks ago, which was my fault. And I what I do is I listen to my body though I'm not twenty anymore I turn forty three next month and I I. Don't need to remind myself of that because I wake up every morning and I feel that. So I take it easy and I I was really lucky to find a school where the Matt Culture is. Awesome. It's not a bunch of twenty year old dudes touted up and there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm just saying the people who if you go to look for Edgy Jitsu school and it's all beefed out dudes in their early twenties smashing each other and you're a little bit later on in your revolutions around the. Sun just realize they're going to treat you like a tank. So find a place that has a more balanced, Matt the culture is it's awesome. You death matches for sure. But for the most it's very chill and he you know you I mean I will escalate of people escalate, but I just tried to start very level. Yeah. My neck I got a compressed disk and see three and four yeah and at the base of my spine. And so like last roles rolling with chat robot. Sean. Chad's he's a former a champion fighter He's also a a a I can't remember what degree black belt in Brazilian Jujitsu. He's a Gracie guy and he dropped me by Paulo drove me Oh my fucking neck and instantly I felt that nerve out and just blow my neck out and I was fucking just I was like man in my ever going to get back and I wondered if it was a conditioning thing. Besides him planning two hundred pounds of my ass on my neck, which he shouldn't have done by the way your. The way he the way he was moving me it just set me up for that way. Yeah and the last I blew my hamstring off of my fucking bone and Jitsu in a bad fucking. Train out for the modern combat of Shit Yeah and I just I feel like that'd probably that probably didn't hurt at all if you like dude. That's the most painful Andrew ever had. It's the cramp that never went away. Oh, it's all should get a cramp in you're like, Oh God and then that feeling of Oh fuck. Never, went away and I was like. What is going on then just in constant pain and then surgery more pain than it fuck it finally went away. Yeah. No I I try to remember how old I am I wanna have as many usable years as possible but I think pursuits like that will actually extend usable years I. Want to get back right man. Yeah I see you doing this essay. You you you guys are motivate me because I see Rogan's old asks you you doing it and oldest fuck I know seventy four I think he just turned Surprising move to Austin. I don't know much about us. I'm not surprised he moved to Texas I don't know much about the individual. Austin's net. I almost allison's got good beer Good show. But Austin is like cal maybe that's the reason why it's like California. Abia but it's just fucking I don't know man his. Texas I'm not a fucking. It's too fucking hot there. Now, this summer months you will die dude I was a Dallas Fort Worth and it was a hundred and six degrees on the range we had. We had people passing out in the fucking class. This is not good. Let's kind of awesome my insurance is going to. Shit can should Cami I can't do it. Fuck what you want to end with you. Yeah. We've been at it for three and a half hours again. Really. Yeah that's solid. I always know a good podcast when I don't feel like it's it's not at all I just are measuring the time by my bladder. Yeah. You about ready to have to be I'M GONNA bottle underneath the table. Sweet twice already what should we close with? We covered quite the spectrum fuck those a lot of shit in that one how about this be a fucking responsible American be kind to your your neighbor regardless of the beliefs that they may have because we're still all in this together. That's a good way. Did I share that sentiment because I think? We're all worked up 'cause Kovin and we all we are over emotional and dramatic about fucking everything. That's the culture we live and. Everybody's fucking sensitive because this politically divisive culture. Outside of politics outside of what team you're on what football team you like the beal movement were just fucking Americans trying to get through the fucking day You had mentioned it in our riposted your post on social media on. September. Eleven that a upset a few people but also set the internet ablaze. It did I thought it was a great post. That's why shared exactly verbatim. The Edwards to that because it shares everything that was going to say as well and. The feeling we had September twelfth that world I missed that World Sam. I missed that nation and we can get back to that nation. We just need to fucking remember at the end of the day like there's people dying in Wildfire People Americans dying in fires in this country should not be happening. people getting hit in the head with skateboards and fucking any place in this country should not be happening and I think we need to fucking chill take a chill pill watch yellowstone afflicts that will. Days. Sitting on your ass that Miss, Eliot thanks for our meal.

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The Run Down Podcast Live: Iran, Bombing Detention Centers, Anti-Manspreading Chairs, and Area 51

Whiskey Tango's Run Down

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The Run Down Podcast Live: Iran, Bombing Detention Centers, Anti-Manspreading Chairs, and Area 51

"<music> hello everybody and welcome come to Whiskey Tangos rundown live once again which is happening more and more frequently and for the first time we are actually doing this at twitch which is for some reason making the very very nervous so anyway we are doing this at twitch this time and we are probably going continue from here out doing it. It's which so that the people at the website bit shoot <hes> and Utah GonNa Change can join us in live streams in the future. Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to let them know that we were doing this. They SORTA came up it just brilliant idea yesterday so anyway. Let's go ahead and get into this. We are going to be talking about all this crazy crap. That's going on with this. <hes> this navy destroyer that was taken by Iran. We are going to be talking about the armed man that was shot and killed for throwing again incendiary device at an ice attention on our we're GONNA talk about this lovely lady who decided to create a anti man spreading chair and yeah. We're going to talk about area fifty one because why not talk about area fifty one anyway. We're GONNA start all this crazy crap. That's going on with Iran. I'm sure by now you guys have seen all this craziness. <hes> that's going on with Iran. It started out. I've actually a two articles here are meant to open a third and did not get around to it because I got up here kind of late but it started out <hes> we have a drone that was shot down okay so <hes> trump says that the the U._S. Navy destroyed an Iranian drone defensive action and Iran said that it didn't happen and then shortly after that they went ahead and <hes> Iran says it's Revolutionary Guard seized foreign oil tanker in the state of Hamas so today we saw that they actually raise the Iranian flying on it and beyond aboard the ship. This is some scary times that we are entering because it appears that we are barreling headfirst into what could very possibly be yet another war. God help us and I know there's arguments on both sides. I personally am of the. I don't really WanNa see this happen segment I we we have been we have been at some sort of war for most of my life. I'm I'm going to be forty years old in six months. We have been at war for most of that time period or close to it anyway 'cause you're talking Iraq and Afghanistan started. You know pretty pretty close after nine eleven so I'm not really I'm not really jumping headfirst into this whole going to war with Iran thing. I'm not excited about it. I've seen several people who are excited about. It and I don't know why exactly you would be excited by war. That's not something that excites me sending troops over and you know having more of our young people come home missing limbs and with traumatic brain injuries and P._T._S._d.. And all that not really looking forward to that not really looking forward to it but unfortunately it does appear that that's where we are heading. There's more and more ships are getting sees by Iran in their <hes> getting more and more aggressive so far we haven't made any motions as though we are going to declare war or we're going to do anything of that nature but I am sure that unfortunately that is coming. I don't want to see get any more than anybody else but that is pretty much where we are so. Let's try to take a rundown. We will start with this. <hes> with this drone that got shot down and this one is actually from C._N._B._C. and they are saying Iran on Friday denied president trump's assertion assertion that the U._S. Navy has destroyed one of drones saying all of its unmanned planes were safe but there was no there was no sign of a major Gulf escalation despite fears both sides could blunder and war trump said Thursday the U._S.. Navy ship had destroyed Iranian drone in a defensive action shen escalating already high tensions in the oil-rich Gulf region ran dismissed the report all drones belonging to Iran and the Persian Gulf and the straight of Hamas returned safely to their bases after their missions identification and control okay so they're saying it didn't happen trump saying it did happen who knows I'm sure it'd probably did in fact happen so not long after that. We got this and this one is actually from N._p._R.. Iran says it's Revolutionary Guard seized east foreign oil tanker in the state of harm Os and as far as I remember it is a British anchor that was seized and that is Iran says it's Islamic Revolutionary Guard coordinator. He has seized foreign flag oil-tanker and the Persian Gulf alleging that the ship was smuggling one million liters of fuel reninstate news outlets report that the ship had accrue of twelve aboard the vessel was see south of south of Larry Larry Island in the state of Armas according to the state run I._R._N._A.. News Agency The island sits less than twenty miles off the Iranian midland south of the city of Bandar Abbas Iran's military as quoted by the by the semi-official far is news outlet said in a statement Thursday that attacker was on its way to deliver the smuggled fuel receive received from Iranian whatever that is to foreign ships and for in farther areas but it failed it failed thanks to the I.. R. G. C. Naval Forces vigilance so this is getting <hes> yeah. This is getting a little bit this. This is getting a little bit freaky and most of the ships I think what are we have to now. Is this the third ship now that was either Caesar attacked because remember you had that one that they went with they had all the images on them taking the bombs and stuff off of mm-hmm yeah so we've got all this happening and it really unfortunately does look like we're heading that way and it looks like it's going to include several countries. It's not like they're just picking a fight with us. They're picking a fight with our allies as well so oh. I don't know what's GonNa Happen here. Guys this could be <hes>. This could be pretty big. I just God I am so sick to a war I know I know a lot of other people are too. I know a lot of the people especially people who you're listening to. This podcast are sick to fricken death of wars. I mean guys come on. We've got people fighting in Afghanistan Iraq right now that either were not alive for don't remember nine eleven because they were too young and I mean seriously we're still fighting these wars and it's not like it's not like we send our troops over there to win. There's no there's no sending them over there to win. They send the troops over there. They they put rules of engagement in that are so strict and stringent that they pretty much can't win the war where we are media sit here and pick everything that they do to death and then we wonder why the wars are lasting for freaking ever. I mean I swear to God. It feels like we've been in rocket Afghanistan forever in our looking going into Iran another war that they're not gonNa let our guys win. Could we find another way of ending this. There's gotTa be another way of ending this. I've brought it up before and again as I said I didn't serve in the military <hes> I couldn't a not elected official but it seems to me that we have all the special forces and stuff like that. We've got the seals and and all this other the crap. Can't we get them together like cut the head off the snake or something I mean I don't know how viable that plan is but it seems to me like it would be better than going into a full out war. There's gotta be some other alternative than sending a bazillion alien of our young people over to die. Lose limbs be crippled for life whatever the case may be. I don't WanNa see anywhere mangled young people coming home. We've got more than enough from Iraq and Afghanistan. We don't need to send them over ran for the same thing it just it just seems counterproductive to me and I I don't see what the point is and all of this did start with the backing out of the Iran nuclear deal which I supported and I still support it but there's got to be a different way. There's gotta be a better way sending ground troops. There's gotta be a better way then bombing the hell out of everybody. The thing that I one of the things that I really kinda get caught up on especially with Iran. It is the people of Iran the people of Iran it. It's it's the same as the United States. The people of the United States are not our government and the people of Iran are not their government. The people of Iraq are not their government the people of Afghanistan our government Yada Yada Outta Yada but especially with Iran those people are not their government. You could actually go into Iran and talk to actual Iranians and tell them you're American and you'd get along with them just fine. It's their government. That's the problem problem and what I don't WanNa see. I don't want to see your ground war where those people end up being quote unquote collateral damage. I don't want to see that I don't WanNa see the Iranian people become collateral damage and I don't want any of our men and women being collateral damage either I mean enough is enough. I'm tired of war. I think a lot of other people are too especially anybody who's actually served. That's one of the reasons <hes> it's one of the things I like about Tulsi Gabbard Gabbert she is very she's antiwar micon like that. I'm I'm I like anti antiwar candidates. You know I I'm not going to vote for because there's a lot of other stuff that she's for that. I am really against but that's one of the things that is good about her so I don't know what's ahead and move on. Let's move on over here to Fox News for the armed. Man Shot killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington Ice Detention Centre. Here's another buber head okay. Let's see what Fox News Essay police in Washington say state say an armed man was shot and killed early Saturday after trying to attack a local immigration and Customs Enforcement Detention Center the Seattle Times reported that the unidentified defied man appeared outside of the northwest attention center in Tacoma with a with a rifle and through incendiary devices both facility in nearby propane tanks at one point sending a vehicle on fire officers responded to the incident around four A._M.. And cold out to the man before shots were fired. It was not clear how many shots were fired or whether the man fired a place police spokesman Loretta Cool said that the officers weren't wearing body cameras but the areas covered by surveillance cameras from the from the detentions that are the four officers involved were placed administrative. Leave it according burdensome departments policy. None of them were injured. I said in a statement that no employees were harmed nor involved in this tragic incident. The shooting took place hours after rally in front of the defense in front of the detention center to protest planned mass deportation Asian raids around the country the Tacoma facility which is run by the Department of Homeland Security holds migrant pending deportation proceedings the detention center has held as also held immigration seeking parents separated from their children under President Donald Trump's zero tolerance policy an effort message deterring illegal immigration okay so pretty much this guy went up there and with very little thought decided he was going to he was going to throw incendiary devices at an ice detention center because that'll teach them the reason. I say this was not well thought out is because who exactly did he think was GONNA pay the price for what he did. Let's say let's say his incendiary devices had really caused some severe damage. Let's say he was successful in causing severe damage. What do you think what happened? Who Do you think would've paid the biggest bryce the people that he was quote unquote defending would've paid the biggest price he would have ended up sending that building on fire and those people who were being held in the detention center the illegal aliens that he was trying to protect who were being and held in that detention center? They're the ones that would have died. He would've killed them might not have killed all of them but he would've killed a good swath of them because you think it would have been easy for them to get out of there. They're we're being held in detention. The whole point of the facility is to make it very difficult for them to get out so if he's throwing incendiary devices from outside guess what he's making it impossible for them to get out I mean was there any kind of thought process what was going through. This guy's head was he high. Was He drunk. I guess these are things we will probably never find out but he obviously did not think this out very well. He just sat there and decided by any means necessary and started throwing incendiary devices. Thankfully he didn't hurt anybody. He got himself killed but he didn't hurt anybody in the process. He said a truck on fire. Thankfully he didn't set the building on fire. You know I don't get it. It's SORTA it's the same kind of stupidity is the people that use the bomb abortion clinics. Why the hell you're going to do that? Who Do you think's going to die? The people that your quote unquote trying to protect are the ones that are going to die and that's exactly what would have happened over here with this. <hes> with this detention center he would have ended up killing the people who are being held in detention he would have ended up leaving a bunch of children children who were separated from their parents without any parents at all ever for the rest of their lives. I mean you know if you're going to be a terrorist at least thinking out a little bit. If you're trying to quote unquote protect somebody you should probably think it out about how exactly you're going to help them. You know if you wanted to go in there and you wanted to actually help those people and you wanted to save them. There are other ways of doing it. I'm not gonNA give anybody any ideas but there are ways of doing that that doesn't improve it that doesn't include slowly burning them to death or killing them by smoke inhalation. Because what do you think is better. Do you think being alive in detention center that you're eventually going to get out of is better than being slowly burned out. There choked it F- 'cause I think I'd rather stay in the detention center that I'm eventually going to get out of. That's just me maybe I'm crazy. Maybe there's something wrong with me. I don't know but that's <hes> that's where I'm at. I don't know I really this kind of thing is starting to escalate and these people think that what they're doing is the right thing they really do. It's this whole idea of thinking that you know you don't have to follow unjust laws and it's kind of along the lines of who gets to decide what is an unjust law. What is not an unjust law? That's pretty much where it stands <hes> pretty much you know a guy that decides that he wants to kill his wife because she cheated on. 'em thinks that it's unjust for him to not be allowed to do that. So it's kind of a it's kind of a big argument and that's the kind of thing that happens unthought out attacks on detention centers where I'll be honest with you. I mean for for the next person who's going to try to do this. I hope you're listening to this the next person that is planning on doing something this stupid. I want you to sit down. I think about this for a minute. Do you think that the guards and the officials and everybody else in there wouldn't have gotten out. Do you really think that do you think they wouldn't have gotten out. Do you think they would have died and all the illegal aliens would've loved because that's not how it worked. Okay all those quote unquote bad guys would have gotten out just fine and all the people that you quote unquote were protecting would have been the wants to die and there are so many ways they could've died. They could have burned to death. They could have died from smoke inhalation. They could have been trampled to death in the stampede of people trying to get out they could be crushed to death. There's so many horrible ways that that could have ended for for those people that you claim to be protecting those people you claim that you care about there are so many horrible ways that you could have killed them in the process of quote unquote protecting them. Have we think these things out a little bit most of the time you don't think out which is why you are where you are and you do what you do but maybe try to think these things out a little bit better because you could've killed all of those people in a horrible horrible manner one of several horrible horrible horrible manners boy. Aren't you an old loving person piece of crap okay. We're GONNA move on. WE'RE GONNA start getting into the ridiculousness. These last two articles are pretty much just ridiculousness and I I've got I'm going to have a chat session at the end of this bear with me anyway here we are at the Daily Mail and the world's longest <hes> headlines The end of man spreading university student fed up with men infringing on her Public Space Wins National National Design Award for creating chair restricts how they sit down okay. We're GONNA head today. I'm Jay Baer okay. Here's the there's like a little clip. I don't know if you guys can say and I want to click on on watching the whole video but those are the chairs and then there's the girl sitting in the girl chair the Guy Sitting in the Guy Chair okay yeah so here's what it looks like so pretty much what it is it's <hes> it takes a chair and turns around so that you <hes> the woman is spreading and the guy is crushing. His knots was pretty much what we're looking at here. Let me see if there's here's the image of <hes> the smuggled face in the in the world and these really hideous chairs. They got to be honest with you. The first thing that jumps out at me is that there is zero back support on that and I have a bad back so it it this makes my back hurt is looking at them but let's let's break these down a little bit here what is going on here. So what do we have with these these two chairs. You've got a triangle esque seat for both of them. They pretty much have the same seat. They're backwards both shares kind of their the opposite of each other okay so on the Ladies Chair Okay you've got the triangle hi angle is wider towards the front so that she can spread out her legs and and just be out in old her glory and there's a block that's placed there that is supposed to make it less appealing for a man to sit there. I'm not sure how because as you can say we're looking at these <hes> looking where these people are sitting in everything and <hes> I know some people are proud but I'm not sure there's a whole lot of people in the world. That are quite that proud anyway. Let's go back down here to design so let's take a look at the men's share so the men shares a little wider in the back and it's more narrow in the front and then there's east too little lips on the sides that are absolutely useless and you can sit in a man in here and it's supposed to crush his legs together so that he he can't quote unquote man spread of course completely overlooks the fact that he could just move his legs over the sides of those little pieces that are sticking up there and it would probably be you could put arm rests on the chair and it would probably be a little bit more effective active. 'cause I mean he really have to swing his legs over there to be you know he'd really have to be a jerk at that point because he'd have to swing his legs over Armas but armrest would probably be a little bit more effective than this little lip. That's on the side now. Of course my first reaction was I'm eagerly awaiting the chair that forces the ladies and the subway to hold their purses and all of their shopping bags on their laps and instead of all over the subway train but of course we're not allowed to talk about that because you know man spreading I I grew up taking trains and <hes> you know I was up in the New York New Jersey area we go into New York all the time and we used to have to go from from Jersey City over over into New York and we would take what they call the paths right so I was in the subway all the time and when I wasn't on the subway I was in the bus and half the time I was taking the bus to the subway so you know I was always in buses and entries all the time never in my life I ever even think about man's spreading there. There was never a point I mean I there were instances. Where I had to sit down? That's to a guy who you know had his legs spread out and all this other crap and I found that just kind of going up and you know gesturing I was going to sit in the seed or saying excuse may or just sitting down usually cost them to just adjust themselves and set a little bit more properly however I've also gone onto trains and buses and the the boss has been standing room only everybody standing there and there's always that one lady that's in that little to seat row who sitting there with Oliver shopping bags in her purse and everything on the seat next to her while there's eight people. People standing up in the middle of a boss or in the middle of the train and she sits air and razor bulker razor newspaper or now plays with their phone. Yes I predate smartphones. Get over it but you know at the time it was you know either reading a book reading a newspaper something along those lines and wouldn't almost never ninety nine percent of the time would not make any effort to move their stuff and if somebody did come over and say excuse me they either put up a fight absolutely refused or only move the couple of bags so that you had like three inches of seat so yes. I'm eagerly awaiting this young ladies chair that forces women to keep all their bags and purses and crap on on their laps instead of all of the subway as what I'm eagerly awaiting 'cause this is this is useless. Nobody's going to buy these things I I don't know what the purpose of these are. I don't know if she's planning on trying to sell them or what. The case may be. I I have no. I I have no idea I have absolutely no idea I do know however that this story has been so talked about online that this woman is going to have a terrible time public transportation because if she sits down on the seat at her legs are or not firmly smashed together she is going. She's going to take hell if her bags are not on her lap. She's GonNa Take Hell and that is pretty much weight goes and unfortunately if you're going to be that smug that's the way it should be look at that face. This lady has fifteen cats at home. I guarantee it. I don't be in Maine Anyway all right. We're just going to move on. I'm going to move on. I have no idea how long yeah I've been talking about this. I don't feel like I've been talking for very long but we're going to go over to deadline and this is facebook drifted area fifty. One storming may be countered with force says U._S.. Air Force and I'm sorry I love this image. This is from Independence Day or something. Oh Oh oh man I love it. I absolutely love it. I just I have been all over this started I cannot have I kinda. Blow it off when it's when it first broke I kinda just blow it off. I am I did not sign up to <hes> to join the storming of area fifty one because it's just <hes> <hes> there's video. I'll have to see if I can find it when I when I got actually posted this up but various places off see if I could find the link there is a youtube or who actually it's exploring with Josh and he went to area fifty one. It was a wild back it was it was some time ago. It was like a year or two ago I thank and they went to area fifty one. They didn't try to get in him and his crew. They did not try to get into area fifty one. They just kind of went up the front gate and it looks like absolutely nothing like there's there's nothing there that you can say and it's it looks like it's very minimally secured ordered and things like that but like you saying they're talking and like in the background you could see the little black S._U._v. just sort of pull up at stop and was watching them. I don't know what these people think. They're going to accomplish and here's let me start this off by saying I one hundred percent highly. Doubt this even going to happen. I'm thinking like ten nerds are gonNA show up and be standing out there going. Where is everybody I I can't what was I don't even want to read? This article is just dumb but was it. They're gonNA MARUTO run. Is that what it was. They're going to new rudo run onto area fifty one or some crap. I don't know all I know is that this is coming out with me. Gold the memes that have been coming Seattle out this or hysterical and that's pretty much the only thing we're going to get out of this. I there's nothing one area fifty one at this point there so much speculation about area fifty one if they're actually was anything on area fifty one. They moved it along time ago so i. I don't know what people think. They're gonNA find there. I don't know what they think. They got a spot. I just don't i. I just don't know <hes> but this is not going to happen there. What is it there's over a million people would have show that have signed up for it or something and there's like celebrities signing up for and all this other stuff? What I think is actually going to happen? 'cause I kind of went to the the opposite extreme there when I said like ten nerds are GonNa show up a wonder what's happening. I think what's actually going to happen. Is I think when people are GONNA show up. I I really do people are gonNA show. I don't think any of these people actually have an intention of storming area fifty one. There's a little town around area fifty one those completely <hes> it's completely alien themes aimed everything that's going on and I only know this because of youtube videos <hes> but there's alien museums and there's alien theme restaurants and there's there's just alien themed everything around this little town and I think what's probably gonNA end up happening. Is I think people are going to show show up and I think it's GonNa turn into giant party. The town probably I would imagine is prepping for it. I heard somewhere that they said that they were in fact prepping for this to happen and I think people are gonNA show up at its turn into a big party but I don't think anybody's actually GonNa try to storm area area fifty one. I think there's going to be a couple of people lineup. They're GONNA be all ready to do it and then realized that nobody was really serious about this crap. You know what I'm saying and I think what's going to end up happening is if anybody nerudo rods. People are so weird but if anybody actually knew who runs. I think it's just going through that that like main street of that town. That's the only thing I can possibly think is going to happen here. So people are interesting. I don't know how this got to the point that had got to cause these little weird <hes> like facebook events and weird facebook groups and everything pop up all the freaking time. I mean just all the time there was one not long. I don't even remember what it was about but they but they were doing. It's not long ago and it didn't get to this point. I don't know how this got to this point. I just I don't know maybe it's because it's mean gold that he got to this point I just I just don't even know but I think like Daddy trae Ho is going <hes> the people who who played the main characters and <hes> Oh my God I don't even remember the name of the Joe Mouldering scully the two people who played moulder and scully x-files. That's what it is. They said they were going. I think Chuck Norris has going. There's a whole bunch of people. Do you think these people are actually now. I've probably ended up eating by hat. This is probably GONNA end up thirty two like some enormous thing in the middle of this town. These celebrities are actually going to be there. It's other crap and I'm GonNa send you're going will them. I will not be there for anybody. WHO's wondering I will not be there? <hes> I can't afford travelled area fifty one let alone. I don't want to spend the money to do it because I don't WanNa spend the money to do it because I don't care I do. I believe that aliens are out there yeah I do. I believe it went there aliens out there do I believed they have them in area fifty one no I don't I know people even at all. I like. I said guys if they're actually was anything at any point in time at area fifty one it date there anymore seriously it ain't there anymore I think the best mean that I found about it and when I edit this I'll try to find the the main again and stick it in for the video so that you guys can watch after the fact they the funniest me my so about it was is <hes> to park and a biggie sitting there like looking at looking out in shock and it says Oh damn they failed because I think I think probably to pocket biggie and Elvis and Kurt cobain and all them are probably like hanging hanging out of area fifty one. That's probably what's actually happening so they're going to have to. They're going to have to defend them with their however on on a serious note if you do if you decided to be an idiot and you decided to actually try to storm area fifty one it is it is an air force base and they will show you so you might WanNa rethink that there's a whole lot of not thinking happening in some of these articles here and <hes> this is one of them. If you actually Salih try to storm area fifty one. They'll shoot you. They might shoot you with something really big. I'm thinking like pink messed so I would probably avoid trying to storm area fifty one on just to save your own life. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA die. Just say just save your own life anyway with all that being said I'm GONNA leave this image up so that we can stare at it but I wanted to go ahead and I wanNA talk about the <hes> I want to talk about the podcast and livestream and all that so as I said this is <hes> for those of you who aren't watching. This is the first hand that we're actually doing the livestream on twitch. I was doing live streams on youtube but I'm thinking I'm going to go ahead on. I'M GONNA switch over to twitch for the sole reason that most of my viewers are coming from <hes> the other sites other than Youtube. I not getting a whole lot of traction youtube. I don't get suggested I don't get recommended. I've got people in my subscriber driverless to say that they never get any notification that I've uploaded or that. I've gone live or any of that stuff some people do some people don't <hes> some people know what the schedule is Etcetera Etcetera <hes> but I'm gonNA switch over to twitch for the main the reason that I wanna make sure that the people who are viewing the podcast and other videos at bit shoot and Utah Gun Exchange has the option 'cause a lot of those people really don't WanNa use you too but all an eye one thousand percent understand Dan so I wanna make it so that I have some option of making sure that they can take part in this as well because it only seems fair. They're the ones who were giving me most of the views so I wanna make sure that they have the option to come over and and actually take part in livestream and things of that nature sure <hes> I didn't i. I was trying to figure out how exactly to let them know that we were doing this. I don't quite know how to do this. I'm thinking I have a newsletter that I very rarely send out anymore and what I think I might do as I might start asking people to sign up for that newsletter and then I will start notifying everybody that you know I'm doing stuff on twitch so that you with happening because unfortunately when you go to youtube I could actually leave a message for people. And I can let them know. Hey you know we're going live or I'm doing this or we're going to be over a twitch or et Cetera et Cetera but I can't do that at bit shoot in Utah on exchange so I don't know how else to do it other than asking people to sign up for a newsletter which most probably won't anyway but hey whatever <hes> so I want to actually discuss a few other things as far as the podcast and the videos and stuff like that we are getting ever closer to my going into law school which actually happens August sex so I'm trying to get. I'm I'm trying to all the things <hes> sort of set up and I'm thanking twitch would be easy because if worst comes to worse I can actually livestream on my phone which is going to end up being really weird livestream feed because you're going to see like a highway or something. I'm not sure how I'm going to do that but whatever the case May <hes> so. That's one of the other reasons that I was also switching over to twitch but I also WanNa talk about the content that's end the podcast and I know a lot of people come in and they they enjoy the news analysis and I enjoy the news analysis as well however here's the problem election year has begun. It is twenty nineteen. We Are Midway through twenty nine thousand nine. We're going into twenty twenty and the news is going to start start to get really freaking bizarre more and more on finding myself at the the main facebook page. That's not just for the PODCAST. You'll you'll know I post <hes> a lot of news a lot of news articles and stuff I find during during the day and I'm finding at the end of the week. I'm going to throw that stuff and trying to find stuff to discuss wake what happened last week. Last week. We had two articles that I talked about two things that we talked about and somehow the podcast ended up being over an hour long like an hour and ten ten minutes long but I only had two articles that we were talking about <hes> I'm finding that more and more I'm coming across articles that have either been so vastly talked about in the news that I really don't have anything to add to. It and I also think my viewers WanNa hear any more about it because they're already being beat to death with it and everything else. I've really just don't care about like there's so much other stuff that okay I could bring it up and I mention it and say hey this happened and I could do all that but I don't really have anything to say about it. You know what I'm saying <hes> so I'm trying to figure out what we're going to do with this because once election year wants the the whole election thing really starts to boil down a lot of the news I I've lived in US election year to know that this is what happens. A lot of the news is going to be about the candidates. A lot of the news is going to be really stupid garbage <hes> you're. You'RE GONNA start getting into really petty stuff. Were already starting to get into it <hes>. There's there's a lot of stuff. That's coming out now. That's really big news. That's just really petty and dumb and it's going to happen. It's GONNA be coming <music> out from both sides you're going to have you know really petty theft. The Republican side really petty stuff by the Democrats and none of that stuff is really worth talking about. You know it's one of those things where you kind of go through it and you laugh at it. If if you don't have your head up your but you're looking at that stuff in your just laughing about it. If you don't have your head you know if you do have your head up your but you're probably looking at it in thinking Oh my God is very but if you don't if you don't have your head up your but you kind of look at it and you're laughing and then you kind of just move on with your life so it's not really worthwhile for me to sit down and actually talk about it on the podcast so I'm trying to figure out what it is exactly. We're going to do now. Some of you know that this past week <hes> actually think it was yesterday I I put out a bonus episode on the podcast and I also put out a bonus video on all the video channels and I called it a stream of consciousness it kind of was and it kind of wasn't where I really just talked about a particular issue and it seems that I had people enjoyed that I don't I made a comment on Youtube that I had. I had a bunch of people subscribe to me after I did that that stream of consciousness thing and most of the screen names were in some way marijuana related and I promise to you. I was not smoking anything I don't I don't smoke. I don't smoke pot or anything like that. So I promise you I was not high what I was doing that but I don't know people thought that I was or there is there was one point and I was listening to it when I when I premiered the video on Youtube I was listening to it and I made this. I took him like a deep breath by did it was like whistling breath and then I spoke really really funny and I'm like Oh my God. It sounds like I took a hit. I promised you I was not taking a hit. I was just laying in bed and I was half asleep when I did that video anyway all all of a sudden. It seems people actually like that. <hes> it got it got several of us. I think I think I through some of my Noor subscribers off because it wasn't when I normally do as far as this the podcast I haven't been throwing out extra videos news <hes> lately. I used to do that all the time for those of you who have only joined us for the podcast my before I did the podcast I had the youtube channel and I used to talk about issues and things like that and I didn't do as much news analysis. I've kind have changed my format a little with now. I'm doing news analysis and I'm thinking about switching back and I'm only thinking about switching back because of what's going to happen in the coming months as far as election year. I don't WanNa talk about all the petty garbage that's coming out about all the candidates 'cause it's dumb. Nobody really wants to hear any of that stuff. I'M NOT GONNA have anything to add to it and real news is going to be really sparse so I'm trying to come up with an idea as far as do I wanNA continue. Can you trying to do news analysis. Do we want to discuss various issues. <hes> I would like to do like a Colin show or something like that but I don't have enough people that tune in what I'm actually doing the life <hes> the lie feats actually do a Colin show <hes> <hes> so I'm trying to figure out exactly what it is that I wanted to do with a podcast while we're waiting for all this craziness with the election year to disappear <hes> I'm Awesome GonNa let you guys know I do not handle election years well at all. I do not handle them. Well at all twenty sixteen. I spent at the beach because I was so burn out. I couldn't stand it anymore and I got in the car and I drove and I just went to the beach and I stayed there all week. I was there for election night and it was like it was like really early in the morning when I found out who had won the election because while Oh that garbage was going on T._v.. I was sitting out on a balcony watching the ocean with a glass of wine and I was not paying attention election results because I was so burned out that I was done. I was done and I haven't fully recovered. Unfortunately I was the same way in twenty twelve into in two two thousand eight and all those so do not handle election years really well so I have to come and I'm looking for some feedback from you guys. About what exactly is that you you would like to see happen with the podcast while all this nuttiness is going on. Do you want to suggest topics for me to discuss as far as issues. Do you want me to come up with my own and just discuss issues. Do you want need to analyze all of this craziness. That's coming out until I jump off my roof. The whatever we we can figure this stuff out. I mean if there is real news that's happening. I'm going to continue doing the news analysis because I actually enjoy this but I'm trying to figure out what else we can do for those days because I realized that last week when there was only two stories that were really worth talking about. I had a whole list of stuff that I had uploaded the facebook at absolutely none of it was worth talking about because I didn't have anything to add or it was just dumb <hes> or it was beat to death. That's the the other issue like I said I don't WanNa come on here and continue beating over the head with stuff the even beat over the head with all week because what's the point of tuning into the podcast. If you're just gonNA hear exactly the same crap that you've been hearing all week from everybody else you know what I'm saying. Nobody wants to deal that <hes> so I wanNA bring a little something different and I'm still trying to come up with stuff. <hes> like I said <hes> I'm going. I'm going to be starting <hes> law school on August and there's a possibility that I'm going to have to record the podcast and pieces instead of reporting wants wants like normally do live streaming a become more common. I don't know it's one of those things where I have to wait and see as I really don't know what to expect so have kind of weight and say but Geoghan and leave your suggestions. If you are watching the video or listening the podcast you will find unfortunately there's these links are not at twitch. If you're twitch right now you'll have to go over to one of the video channels where my website which is w Tango Foxtrot Dot Com you can get links to every bit of social media that I'm on and go over there and hit me up on that you could hit me up in the in the video comments you can email me you can send them to me on twitter using twitter a little bit more now <hes> you can hit me up at facebook. Whatever if you WANNA get in contact with me if you want to suggest asked topics to discuss if you have any ideas of where you would like to see the podcast going as far as handling the oncoming election year I I'm? I'M GONNA burn out. I'm GonNa tell you guys right now. Just see just you're aware because I know some of you are gonNA come up and go stick to the news analysis. You need to understand that the reason I'm doing this is because I know I'm going to burn out and if I burn out this is all GonNa stop abruptly because I'm not going to be able to anymore. <hes> it's hard enough already. I I have a tough time sitting down in front of the microphone and doing this because I very nervous at very anxious so I'm going to burn out during election year. It happens every single election year so let's let's kind of put our heads together here and give me some ideas and let me know like I said you can go down into the comments and you will find a length that will take you to every single piece of social media the my morning you can feel free to contact me at all those you can join us at the video channels which is youtube twitch now as well <hes> Utah Gone Exchange and bitch shoot and guys. I appreciate you hanging out with me and I will see you next time. Have a great week the.

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Ep 49 Roshcast Emergency Board Review

RoshCast EM Board Review

15:22 min | 2 years ago

Ep 49 Roshcast Emergency Board Review

"Welcome back rush. Cast for episode forty nine. I'm not Gupta an mega ball and we're back with more hired. Emergency Medicine Board Review. Let's jump right into some questions. Let's start with little humans and Rashes for the first question. An eleven year old boy developed an itchy painful air rash on his hands forums and face one day after hiking in nearby woods. You're exempt shows linear feminist papiers over his forms and swelling and air theme. Oh around his eyes cheeks and forehead. He suspected Poison Ivy. The patients mom tells you he's had a reaction poison ivy before which of the following is most likely to improve the course of zone us. Is it a oral diphenhydramine? Every six hours be three week. Prednisone taper see topical one percent hydrocortisone three times daily or D. top go columbine lotion twice-daily a lot of these sound like good options. So let's use the process civilization here. The first big thing to pick up on here is that providers from poison ivy is not histamine mediated does not sound answer choice. A oral diphenhydramine choice. E topical one percent hydrocortisone. That's useful for local contact dermatitis. But it's not recommended for long durations on the face since our little guy has poison ivy. That's pretty widespread and waltzes face and eyelids. This treatment is an appropriate choice. Decal my lotion is useful for controlling symptoms but does not change the course of illness. So the answer here is choice. B Three Week prednisone taper. Our patient has allergic contact dermatitis from Poison Ivy. This is a delayed type hypersensitivity reaction and it may not present for seven to ten days. After exposure with repeated exposures reaction can develop within twelve hours though which is what happened here. Mega just to reiterate rash typically present it typically presents with itching and redness followed by poppies vesicles in bullet in a linear arrangement and treatment for poison ivy is generally top. Go High Potency Corticosteroids. But our patient has an extensive reaction that involves the face. You should get a two to three recourse of tapering systemic corticosteroids. I knew that seems like a long course but the rashes fairly likely to rebound with a shorter course. Naci to know at what H. Children Begin to present with allergic contact dermatitis similar to adults. That's usually around three to eight years of age and interestingly it's because prior to this they have an impaired ability to react allergens all right. Now you're for the next one and just like a regular shift. You never know what you're going to get. We're moving from Rascist P. E. Which of the following patients will benefit most from receiving tissue plasminogen activator for acute pulmonary? Embolism detected in the emergency department is a fifty five year old man with heart of one hundred blood pressure of eighty over forty. Restri- read of twenty four and oxygen saturation. Ninety two percent is a B. Fifty five year old man with heart rate of one forty-five pressure of one. Thirty six over eighty six Restri- read of twenty four in oxygen saturation of ninety two percent. See Fifty five year old woman with a history of Lupus with a heart rate of one hundred blood pressure. Went Sixteen over eighty six breast rate of twenty four in action situation. Eighty-five percent or D Fifty. Five year old woman with a heart rate of one. Ten Blood Pressure of one twenty two over eighty respiratory rate of twenty four and oxygen saturation eighty two percent with evidence of right ventricular dysfunction on Echo. Well only one of these patients presenting with humid amick instability. And that's the answer choice. A with the blood pressure of eight over forty aggressive treatments like Ta for a Pe should probably be considered inhuman Unstable patients. I was tempted to answer choice. See too though the woman with lupus. Who isn't holding a great to? Sir WHY BURDENS E. Mail the main teaching point. Here you're going to give to the human dynamic unstable patient. Although the woman with lupus is an holding great. Oh to sad. She's much more stable and other therapies should be tried first and just as a general reminder on GPA TPAO accelerates license of trombone in it's used in many different disease processes like m. i. Stroke and Acute Pe Administration can lead to humid amick improvement in patients with acute p. But it really needs to be weighed against the risk of major bleeding persistent hypertension or shock. Dude acute pulmonary. Embolism is a widely accepted indication for systemic thrombosis. Patient in choice speed has tacky cardio but is otherwise not naming chloe stable in the patient choice. D has evidence of right ventricular dysfunction on Echo but is otherwise also amicably stable. In these scenarios routine thron politic's is not recommended but make sure to assess each independently and decide on the risks and benefits on a case by case basis as we give them this patient. A lifesaving dose of a woman is brought in unresponsive. She and her friend had finished eating sixty minutes earlier when she collapsed suddenly to the floor. While talking a blood gas demonstrate severe metabolic acidosis which of the following foods is the most likely cause. Is it a apricot kernels? Be Fava beans. See peanuts were D- poppy seeds sudden collapse in metabolic acidosis through describing cyanide poisoning from choice a apricot kernels. Good pickup. And we don't see these often. This is critical. Emergency Medicine to recognize and treat cyanide binds decided chrome oxidise within the Mitochondria. This results in an abrupt cessation of Electron Transport Oxidative phosphorylation not surprisingly. This is what leads to the severe metabolic acidosis. That's a hallmark feature of cyanide poisoning. In addition to acidosis patients can present with severe dyslexia loss of consciousness seizures and cardiac arrhythmias very high levels of cyanide can cause coma cardiovascular collapse and even death and you knew the apricot kernels were a source of cyanide. What are some other sources that we should look out for other sources of cyanide to look out for include cyanide salts smoke inhalation fumigation for insects sodium nitrate oxide pits of Cherries and peaches cigarette? Smoke an acetone. Nitrite and interestingly inhale cyanide is associated with the smell of bitter almonds so look out for that if you have a good sense of smell even though the question didn't ask for let's talk about treatment briefly to first line treatment of cyanide. Toxicity is drowsy. Cabalanasian a drastic a bellman bind cyanide to make Santa Coca Bellman which is nontoxic. If OCCC development isn't available you can also give nitrites aimal nitrate which is inhaled or sodium nitrite which is given intravenously. Both of these induced met Hemoglobin Nimia and met Hemoglobin binds cyanide. More strongly than the ferric ion of site or chrome oxidise effectively creating a cyanide sink. There's also sodium sulfate which through the enzyme Rodney's creates sign. Eight from cyanide is less toxic and excreted by the kidneys but remember that Hydroxy Kabala mean has truly replaced the other treatment options because of its low toxicity and efficacy. Also inducing Matt. Hemoglobin might not be ideal in many Sinai toxicities especially in smoke inhalation and possible common carbon monoxide poisonings. Just who really drive this home? Hydroxy Cabal mean is a pretty safe treatment. Option for cyanide. Toxicity severe uncertain about the diagnosis. Just give the Hydroxy Kabala mean and definitely don't wait for confirmation in severe metabolic acidosis elevated lactate which signed exposure me have been possible. Just give the hydroxyethyl Ballymun. In addition to the Sinai toxicity. Remember to treat other abnormalities as appropriate. This can include treatment with Oxygen Christopher Lloyd Sodium Bicarbonate and visa processes for hypertension as well. Let's quickly review the other answer? Choices patients taking mono meet oxidation. Inhibitors should avoid foods high in tier mean like wine aged cheese answer choice. B Fava beans choice. See Peanuts can cause severe allergic reactions and foreign body aspiration and kids but it is not a source of cyanide. Choice poppy seeds. They contain small amounts of naturally occurring. Opiates Okay it's a busy resuscitation. Bay after tweeting the Sinai toxicity. Your calls over to triage for Lightening Strike Victim. Which of the following is due to the intense thermal radiation seen in lightning strikes. Is it a cataract formation? Be Hypertension Cardia. See midrise or detain panic. Membrane rupture leading strikes caused injuries via both acute thermal radiation and widespread electrical damage. Anti-choice de Tim Panic. Membrane rupture is due to rapid pressure changes from surrounding thermal radiation. That's right also remember that. Lightning can cause burns that appear benign leaving the external tissue untouched but can destroy the deeper fat and muscle delays in treatment can lead to Rapto multi organ failure and death. In addition to thermal radiation the actual current through the body can lead to cardiac arrhythmias and ocular neuro vascular in cutaneous injuries ocular injuries include bilateral cataract formation retinal detachment and you've Vitus near Vascular. Injuries include transient vasoconstriction in transient permanent autonomic dysfunction causing Madrid Isis and he's a Korea and seizures cutaneous injuries include punk. Date Linear Burns as well as the path of Monica Lichtenberg figures. Let's go for the other answer choices. Choice e bilateral cataract formation. This is the most common ocular damage damage seen post lightening strike. But it's caused by electrical damage not thermal damage as you just said choice. B hypertension tacky cardio. These are caused by sympathetic nervous system. Activation in choice see. Madrid is is due to autonomic dysfunction. Only Tim Panic Membrane rupture on that list to sue to thermal radiation. And how long should you monitor a pregnant patient? Who STABLE AND ASYMMETRIC? After lightning strike pregnant? Women should be monitored for at least four hours post lightening strike for continuous fetal monitoring. Hope none of our listeners. Eating Fried Chicken right now if so you might want to stop this next one. At thirty year old woman presents to the with the four day history of bloody diarrhea and abdominal cramping that started two after eating at her favourite Fried Chicken restaurant boyfriend at the same food and has similar symptoms. The patient's vital signs are within normal limits. Physical exam is significant for moist. Mucous membranes. Brisk capillary refill and mild diffuse tenderness to palpitation of the optimum which of the following is the most appropriate management of this patient's illness is it a admit for Ivy's at the reminding rehydration be admit for IV rehydration and observation resolution of Diarrhea C. Discharge home what ciprofloxacin or D. discharge with Metronidazole are patient and her boyfriend. Likely had some undercooked poultry in are infected with campylobacter. June I- treatment is with answer choice. Z. Discharge home would ciprofloxacin right and this person with Moist Mucous. Membranes Brisk capillary. Refill certainly won't require admission and Ivy. Rehydration thank you. Beijing period for campylobacter detainees to six days patients typically present with bloody diarrhea nausea vomiting abdominal cramping and fever and the illness usually lasts for two to ten days treat. Severe disease is with Ciprofloxacin Leva flocks or is it through my son. Remember that lead complications of capable backtra include reactive arthritis and John Burris Syndrome and as for answer choice de Metronidazole? That's the treatment of choice or antibody. It does not cover campylobacter and would not be appropriate here all right now g. for the last question of this episode a fifty four year old man with a history of HIV. Recent CD. Four count of eighty-five presents with a headache and confusion for three days while the he has a seizure which resolves spontaneously electrolytes are all within normal limits. Cat Scan demonstrates multiple subcortical ring enhancing lesions which of the following medication. Regimens should be given. Is it a amphotericin? B B Gyn Cycle. I Garnet See pyramid thiamine sulfur Lou Bourne or D. trimethyl Prim Sulfur mkhsel. Our patient has a CD. Four count less than one hundred. A headache confusion seizures and subcortical ring enhancing lesions on C. T. They're definitely describing toxic plasmas here which is treated with the answer. Choice see pure methane selfish and look of. Oran. Don't confuse talk so would. Cns Lymphoma Sina. Some fomer also causes ring. Enhancing lesions in patients with AIDS lesions in this case are usually solitary in located in the Peri ventricular white matter in addition symptoms and these patients are usually gradually progressive over months rather than days as in our patient. Do you remember why we give Liqun Lavar in or full Inuk? Acid is given as an adjunct to pyramid demean to limit toxic effects. So that's great for first line but what are the second line treatment options first. Second Line think of Clinton Mice in Plus Pyramid Demeaning Lugovoi Warren or Tova Cohen Plus Pyramid demeaning. Luca Voeren. Okay let's go the other answer choices too choice a amphotericin b. that's the treatment for cryptococcal meningitis. And this condition that tees usually normal and then oh p would demonstrate leukocyte hostess and a positive cryptococcal Antigen answer choice B Ganciclovir Foscarnet. That's the treatment for C. V. Retinitis or encephalitis Siemian sufferers usually causes multi focal micro. Joel's and ventricular encephalitis on emory and choice de trimethyl himself. A macos all that's actually used for chronic suppression of supplies Moses to prevent relapse after initial treatment. Final question on this topic before the rapid review to know what infection aside from HIV is associated with primary CNS lymphoma primary CNS lymphoma that's also associated with Epstein Barr virus all right. Let's close out this episode with a rapid review. Localized reaction from Poison Ivy can be treated with topical high potency. Corticosteroids extensive reactions are reactions involving the face or genitalia needed two to three week. Course of tapering. Systemic steroids persistent hypertension or shock due to acute pulmonary. Embolism is the only widely accepted indication for systemic Lices severe metabolic acidosis as a homework creature cyanide poisoning treatment is with hydroxy Cabalanasian. Lightning strikes caused injuries via both thermal mediation. In widespread electrical damage undercooked poultry is associated with infection from campylobacter ginny. This can present with bloody diarrhea. Abdominal cramping and vomiting treatment is with fluoroquinolone or. Is there my son? Admission is rarely required. Subcortical ring enhancing lesions on ct in an HIV patient. See for less than one hundred is indicative of toxic. Pause Moses and treatment is with pyramid selfish and Luca Voeren. Cns Lymphoma also causes ring. Enhancing lesions in patients with AIDS believes in this case are usually solitary and located in the Peri ventricular white powder symptoms are also gradually progressive over months rather than days. That wraps up rush has episode. Forty nine be sure to also check out the blog for questions from this episode Empire Votes Related Images tables as well as bonus teaching points. Don't forget to follow us on twitter at RUSH CAST. And you can always email us at rush. 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The Anti-JUUL (#79, Hava)

The Pitch

28:45 min | 1 year ago

The Anti-JUUL (#79, Hava)

"Today's founder almost didn't make it on the show because well investors really like this thing called money or at least some hope of revenue due to come at least some time soon. So naturally when we're deciding which startups to bring on the show we look for the money honey. Hopefully they've tried to sell their product to someone at some point but today's founder Josh. Israel hasn't sold anything and he won't see any revenue for at least another three years. His company is called Haba Health and they've created a new way to help people stop smoking and with thirty two million Americans wanting to quit. The problem is searing during hot but they need permission from the federal government before Josh can start selling to customers but if any of our investors are willing to take the risk from Gimblett. This is the pitch. I'm Josh Muccio. Today's investors are an emmy. GotTa Mimi is a partner at box. ex-group where they've invested one hundred million over four hundred startups including or be Parker. I'm Al Dome. Ou- built several ECOMMERCE brands. Two of them do over one hundred million in annual sales. And now he's Angel Investor I'm she ALMANAC shield has sold three startups for over fifty million dollars. Now he's an angel investor who's back several companies were billions. Today I'm Charles. Hudson Charles started precursor ventures invested forty five million in over one hundred startups APPs. Two days the pitch for Haba Health is coming up in just a moment. This episode of the pitch is brought to you by just works when I ran my own business handling. HR meant a ton of paperwork. It's basically like filing taxes. No one likes doing taxes. Just works does a lot of this kind of thing for you with this system. You burgeoning entrepreneurs out there. We'll get access to a big company benefits automated payroll and compliance support. All in one place just works dot com slash the pitch to learn more. That's just just works dot com slash. The pitch this episode of the pitch is brought to you by mastercard's priceless experiences dances. Here's a travel tip. You can discover unique adventures by asking your Amazon device to open priceless experiences. This voice activated skill can help you discover memorable experiences in some of your favorite cities. Maybe even your home city for more details visit PRICELESS DOT com restrictions. Apply all right here we go. Hey Josh she'll Charles Nice to meet you need ash. Just give me a second here in what some may consider a power move. Josh takes a drag out of what looks like an e cigarette threat through a thick cloud of white smoke. Josh begins his pitch is going to go with for you judge me. I know that this is our way of fighting fire with fire fire. In this case being nicotine addiction I'm Joshua's roam the CO founder and CEO Jio of Hover and hover. We're solving nicotine addiction through technology rebuilding connected vape pen that pairs with a smartphone application to automatically and gradually Wean people off nicotine addiction through minimal effort on their part. We do this with a patent pending design that allows us to burn nicotine oil while inversely Bernie clean oil thereby giving our users or patients consistent smoke experience as we automatically regress their nicotine intake. The idea here is just smoke are device however and whenever you want and will handle the entire cessation process for you reducing withdrawal symptoms and relapse rates. -have is kind of like the Anti Jewish in its way smarter. It uses a little plug in pods life the jewel but these actually have to chambers one still with nicotine oil and the other a clean oil without any nicotine you can just smoke it like any other e cigarette art but there's a twist the Hobbit e CIG actually pairs with an APP on your phone and the APP gradually decreases the amount of nicotine you hail and the idea. Is that slowly over time. You become addicted to nicotine started this company just a little over nine months ago and in that time we've made incredible progress. We've put together fully functional harbor prototype as you see here today mobile applications on Ios and Android we've had our first interaction with the FDA because this will be regulated drug happy to say that we recently closed their precede round of one million dollars. So I'm here today to look at potentially oversubscribing that round with investments up to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to further product development. While we go through a preclinical face what a strong intro issue josh can give me a sense for the range of smoking intensities rethink your product can make a difference so every smokers different so we have to be able to account for someone who smokes two packs of cigarettes a day or someone who smokes for six six cigarettes a day for example. And so what we do when we onboard you onto our product our mobile APP ask you to type of smoker that you are of course you can lie. You probably don't want to say that you're a horrible smoker. So what we do for a week is actually what we call control week so he truly understand. Understand your habits by you. Just smoking are device smoking. Eight hundred two hundred times a day. We're GONNA know that you're not a guy like you said right and so from there we kind of set our baseline nicotine and regrets you you from there. So if you're a heavy smoker might take you six to eight months if you're a medium smoker might take you four to six for example and should we really be thinking of this as an alternative to nicotine eighteen patch or gum or using compliment with some of those smoking cessation products. I would say we want to disrupt those products. So those products are very unsuccessful. If you look the success rates with a patch of the government's five to fifteen percent people try seven to eight times those products on average to quit. Don't work so we're looking to deliver product. That's actually going to help. People truly quit and are those products. Do they not work because of client adherence or because they're just fundamentally not effective So it's both so yeah. Compliance is a big problem for them because because they actually jumped people look the pass jumped from twenty four milligrams to fourteen milligrams in that big range. People have a lot of withdrawal symptoms right and then on top of that. They're not delivering. Nicotine is rapidly rapidly. A combustible cigarette does moreover. They're not giving the smoke inhalation. Oral fixation everything that you get out of this social smoking aspect right. So we're trying to deliver a parallel experience and gradually reduce you. So we can take you. Let's say twenty four to twenty three point nine or you're not gonna get those withdrawal symptoms. Is this something that wants to switch is made from a nicotine eighteen oil to a non nicotine oil. Do people continue to smoke it. Yes so that's what we're calling our posted diction plan. Rica addiction is not like a common cold. Doesn't go away you don't you don't cure it. It's a lifelong struggle for people right so if we abandoned them it's time association. We would be doing them a disservice. So we're calling. Our addiction plan is essentially clean oils or a placebo effects at a party. Maybe they're drinking. They can continue to use. Our device is to curb that nicotine urge they may have and just just use it as as time goes on potentially maybe they will eventually throw a product away. Furthermore as we raise capital we do WANNA look at spending some money in rnd potentially introduce maybe nutro picks or alternative oil so kind of take people on this beautiful journey from an unhealthy lifestyle. Actually helping them live better day to day life. Got It as this pitches playing out. I'm in the other room listening in and I can't figure out if it's going extremely well or we're extremely poorly as soon as an investor asks a question. Josh whips out this super concise well thought out answer and then investors didn't even have have a follow up question. There's like cool. I'm not sure how to read this pitch. It doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard before. Here's Charles getting down to business. What is the cost to the customer and registered and has always paid for by the customers or an insurance angle? We want to be able to price it so that you can buy over over the counter like CVs walgreens very similar to the gums and the patch looking at price are device around fifty nine sixty nine dollars monthly subscription for around thirty to forty dollars which includes the replacement parts so cost. The consumer shouldn't be that high insurance shouldn't be necessary and then how long they expect the customer to stay with the product on average about twelve months So we should get around around three hundred seventy five dollars per customer. The cost around eighty five to one hundred twenty five dollars to acquire the customer for what they're we're going to block and your plan is it sounds like to go. Direct to consumer yet direct to consumer online and over the counter is A. Is anyone else doing this. Have you seen. What's what's the closest comparison yet? Nothing that we've seen that's exactly like what we're trying to do. There's one company based in France but they obviously can't sell here and they. They've missed the boat on where a cigarette design is going to very large kind of MoD vape. We've purchased their product. Just not working at the moment. So can you tell me more about like inner conversations with the FDA given all the issues around jewel and other podvig was the current thinking around sort of relationship with regulators and sort of what best practices are. Yeah Yeah I think the regulatory winds are actually at our back so the agency has held public hearings on how to sort of stop this epidemic of vaping and especially in the teenage demographic so we've actually spoken to them about a prescription pathway for our product under eighteen go to the doctor going to prescribe for your teenager in regards to like jewel in all those products their addiction alternatives. And they're not really truly helping people people quit their nicotine addiction. And we're not going down the path that they're going down that's tobacco. That's nothing to do with us. We're going down to a regulatory pathway that has to do with drugs and Medical Devices so oh I think you know the agency sees our product hopefully in a positive light and what the technology should have been instead of what it is today and can you tell me a bit more. What is in time like for the on the FDA so our preclinical studies? We're anticipating taking six to eight months post that we submit what's called in to the FDA investigational new drug They have thirty days to responding. I N D FDA preclinical phase ones and twos etc.. All the investors. Here is. This is GonNa be a long journey journey through the regulation swamp. That Josh will have to slog through before his product ever sees the light of day and even that's not a guarantee they may never get approval to sell in the US and this is Josh's positive spin on the process. The best he can do is guess as to how long this will all take so total time to market estimating around thirty six months while it does seem like a lot. Obviously you know The more time in capital spending this agency does rewards you on the on the end of this they have like three to five year exclusivity if we were to get approval and things of that nature. And how much money do you think you need to get there. And get the product to market. Yeah we've already estimated costs for our phase one trial it's five hundred thousand dollars from that trial from Sierra. We'd probably in the next six to eight months after we've done. Our preclinical studies raised a seed. Round of around four million dollars. That will take us through our phase one and then post that. Probably look at one more. Raise depends on the cost of the trial and how many patients we're going to do but anywhere from probably another five to ten million dollars to to race. Did you consider launching another country country where you have a easier regulatory system so we've looked at other countries the every different country has its own regulatory body and it's it's quite complicated and for plus you know being here being on the ground. We felt that once we get through the FDA it's kind of the bigger Stanford for example and then from there we can leverage the data and science. We've already created here and go into other countries. It's a different model like than than we're used to because yeah we're not like we're not bio investors so like thinking through that process is a unique equal like. It's I don't think I've never invested in a company that couldn't get a product to market for three years. Three years is a lot of time time for things to go wrong. And that's a risk that's making the investors pretty wary but there are also intrigued by a good idea and a sharp founder when we come back. Yeah we'll see if they get over fear of the unknown so far out of my world I never smoked in my life. Discover again for you. I have no idea what any of this means. This episode of the pitch is brought to you by just last works just works as a simple and intuitive platform that basically makes work-life more funding abrogate. Picture you're a business owner. It's late at night. After after a long day of work a payroll issue is the only thing standing between you and your pillow with just works you have a certified. Hr Consultant available twenty four seven to support any HR related question. You might have after hours. Scaling of business is easier when you have the right tools in place had to just works dot com slash the pitch to learn more. That's just works dot com slash. The pitch. This episode of the pitch is brought to you by Mastercard's is priceless experiences. Listen Up New York Miami Chicago Los Angeles and Boston. You WanNa know what's happening this weekend. Just ask your Amazon device to open priceless experiences looking for some weekend inspiration in Chicago. Say Ask priceless experiences. What's happening in Chicago this weekend? The Amazon skill will give you an option like a behind the scenes tour of the Chicago. Magic lounge discover memorable experiences that spark your passions inspire your travel plans plans and create connections start. Something priceless with MasterCard's priceless experiences skill for MORE DETAILS VISIT PRICELESS DOT com. That's priceless USC. Dot Com restrictions apply Welcome back the investors are doing their best to understand Hamas business model by asking Josh Josh to look into the future just a little bit. Here's Charles what do you think is an game path for this company and given that. You're sort of art that intersection of Taqwa. I think the path forward is known and bio biotech. Where the past different? Like what are you. Can you help me envision what the end state might look like. Yeah I mean I think there's two to sort of exit did opportunities for us. One would be that if we successfully complete a phase one trial big pharma come knocking potentially at that and they have a well oiled machine to kind of take us through this whole process If not we're not building for that we're building to bring this the market. So that's not even in our mindset. The second round is that we bring this to market and look how much value we create from there. And I'm sure you've I've seen that you know. Biotech companies go public prior to going going to market. So if we have if we're on a good trajectory and we believe the regulatory Windsor back. It's a potential option as well go so far out of my world I never smoked in my life is good for you. Yeah well it's like I mean on on the one hand I'm like. I'm like rooting you on. Because I know a lot of people to struggle to come out of this Mike my grandparents You know it's it's such it's a crazy addiction and then on the other end of like I have no idea what I'd even do so just saying I'm cheering you on John. But I have no idea what any of this can you are there. Any restrictions or prohibitions or challenges with marketing project product digitally side from the regulatory regulatory aspect. And then once we once we get the regulatory aspect we can make pretty powerful marketing claims. You know saying that our product is eight times more likely to help you quit over the current leading nicotine replacement therapy so once we get through there we can pretty much anything we want that current vapes or e cigarettes just not allowed to say it's awesome we're actually investors in unaccompanied that yeah exactly so given that closeness I I'm I'm going to hold off but obviously very much believe in in the mission of what you're trying to do with in smoking cessation. I think all of these different paths to it. I think are a big part of the solution. Thank you Namie is out as she's already already invested in a direct competitor to -have a startup called Lucy which sells nicotine gum as a subscription. Now here's Charles. See I'm trying this. We've had a strict sort of no tobacco cannabis policy of precursor. Since I started the find and I think for the most part I've been happy to of set both of those markets. This is the first thing I think it's not a wink. Wink cessation product but like actually interested in addressing the problems site. I've never had to really sit down and think about. Under what circumstances would we say yes to a product that I think could actually address and we have I have a ton of smokers my family. So it's a very prison problem for now phenomena pass but I wanNA follow up with you and see if I could come up with because I'd have to explain lane to my investors why we've decided to change our can't rule since stance on both of those categories so I I don't know if this will give you any comfort but we have to advisors Ones Dot Com Brandon from the MOFFITT cancer center and he's been approached by large e cigarette companies and rebuffed. All of them us what we did in his advisory agreement you know we've made explicitly clear that smoking cessation product and we will never take capital from big tobacco and we have been approached by certain big tobacco ads about that. So we've rebuffed them awesome. Think you screaming. I'm I'M GONNA pass as well but But I mean only for my own ignorance right like I'm stoked free. I'm stoked at that. A product like this will exist Excited for to get on the other side of all the regulations relation stuff and for people to start using it. Thank you Tell me about the rows you you closed around precede around was. What was the cap provider? Show more million God I and what are you suggesting that that I would invest it I would say to go up to six million capture so we don't dilute ourselves to significantly. Can you help me with existing investors are are they folks in the in the biotech space no-one no-one directly in the biotech space as far as funds are concerned. Okay Cool I I like what you're doing doing It's pretty off these for me but I've looked from afar at at Joel playout and actually have thought a lot about in my. I always start with the lens of Lake. Is this making a building a better world and so many times I struggle with it. We talked a little bit about like Lucy and like other other other Smoking cessation products. I've struggled with because I wonder if people get addicted to those so I really like what you're doing I'd like to write like a small personal check of twenty five K.. For if you could fit me into the previous round Yep okay we can probably do something. Okay says good really nice job I think you you really had a strong pitch. That's why this is so short addressed all the questions like right off the bat and our stance seizes the fact that thought your answers were really crispy. Yeah not a lot of a lot of fluff just to the point so what you know what you're talking about. Josh Takes Off with twenty five five thousand dollars from she'll after just twenty minutes in the pitch room which is unheard of on the show a short pitch usually equates to a failed pitch but but what was even more striking to me was that she'll invested knowing full well that he'd have to wait at least three years before Josh could even think about making making any money see huge risk but that you decided to invest despite that Wa an hugest. I don't know how to price it and I haven't even done it before so I was a little bit I wish that he had other biotech investors which he didn't really but I felt like I liked him. His answers were crisp. Feel like he has a good sense of of where this is going. The price seems reasonable enough for the potential so so bad on the founder that in the founder the only other question I have is around the whole kit his delivery and just the speed at which he gave you the answer and then just shut up. I was like what is going on. Is this guy. A robot is either good or really bad bad. Yeah I think anytime like what what I'm looking for is somebody. You can clearly articulate and defined their vision why they're going to win and it's important because that's how you raise money but also like he has to convince the FDA he has to convince future employees. So when I see that I get excited after the break. Six months have passed. And in that time e CIGS have been getting a bad rap in the news so we asked Josh what it's like building company in the midst of a media firestorm. That's coming up in just a moment. The Ones Earth just opens up in trees down and then entire roads go. I'm Flora Lichtman from every little thing the podcast that answers your burning questions like will I get swallowed by a sinkhole. What I saw it in the road I was just like this is this is that what am I gonNa do? Find out more on every little thing. Listen on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back six months after his pitch to investors. We Got Josh Israel on the phone. How you doing Josh? I'm doing pretty well. You know a lot. Lot happened in the news around what we're working on Canada industry that were working in so a little stress. But it's a good stress since ashes time in the pitch room. vaping was in the news a lot over two thousand. People were hospitalized and over forty people died because of vaping how if those events and the increased scrutiny on vaping affected you I think both positively and negatively if you look at nicotine eighteen based vapes. There hasn't been any directly related health crisis or crises that have sprung up because of them. It's all been linked to teach in vitamin any your vitamin A acetate in. THC got a black market pods the product that we're building our northstar metric is smoking cessation Nicotine Addiction. We are not these other guys trying to sell two teenagers. We are not an addiction alternative. And we're certainly not a THC based our product has to pass through non-clinical non-clinical clinical trials for safety and efficacy so once it is FDA approved. It's for certain that it's not going to cause these major health issues that we're seeing in your eyes and you're saying like jewel in these other e cigarette companies they are not FDA certified at all and it'll have to go through any of that they haven't done any any any tests at all right. It was like a pretty much. Hey free for all pre two thousand sixteen where anybody can release a product and they were grandfathered in so obviously you're able to clearly make the argument why your different But I guess I'm curious like how is it affected conversations with investors or even conversations with the FDA DA. Like what's changed for you. I get calls. I get emails. They're just like Oh. We saw this on the news or are we at risk or is this going to is going to affect the time. I'm the market and so every single person is basically after every single news news. Item comes out. I get an email phone call about it right so I went so far as to send out. OUGHTA general update like a few weeks ago to all our investors trying to answer every single question that I've gotten like an Faq late guys go. You know what I mean like that email. You've been working on exactly right. Yeah No. You're typing furiously there by you. Know don't panic. We're GONNA figure our way around us. Yeah and have you been able to successfully talk. Investors down are or are they still concerned. Yeah I think the problems that we will face will be more around regulatory scrutiny with the FDA. So I think that's where we're going to face. Our issues is really around explaining the regulatory process. And you know how we can maybe speed up that timeline and lower the cost of market. That's what you've been up against all along right hundred percent. Yeah so josh is still fighting. The good fight assuring investors that the three year. FDA approval fulltime line. We'll be well worth the wait. But as for the investor on our show who he already convinced she'll Manatt well his twenty five K.. Check is in the bank. He also introduced Josh to another investor. Who put in two hundred K.? Not Bad and it totally makes up for the fact that Josh never heard back from Charles Hudson But he's got bigger fish to FRY. He spoke as some experts who've been through the FDA approval process before and told him. Don't put all your eggs in the FDA basket. Have you thought about launching first internationally so there's potentially Europe potentially Canada regulations are a little more relaxed in the UK They actually look favorably favorably upon e cigarettes and vaporisers over there. It's not just to bring it to market their but more importantly once it's commercially available in the market that we do choose will be able to start running in clinical trials and generate clinical data which we can leverage and bring back to the FDA to look our product safe. It's effective in humans. Take a strong look get this. So that's what's been happening. Nothing set in stone yet. But we're moving in the right direction. So you're saying you might delay the FDA approval process go go out and do clinical trials in another country and then come back and get your FDA approval like ultimately faster. Because you've got those clinical trials potentially yeah having clinical data in humans obviously is much more powerful than having nothing rabbits then rabbits rats mice or pigs or dogs exactly so the one final thing. I'm guessing Kinda still struck with is just how wildly different your businesses from anything we've had on the show before. Is it weird like doing a thing. Where like you can't just go to the market like you can't just like there's something very freeing about I guess capitalism and being able to just put a product out in the market and letting them give you feedback on whether they like it? But what you're building here. It's like you have to go going entirely different route. What does that even like you know? I think as an entrepreneur if you want something to exist in the market market and you're convinced it has to exist no barrier really is too high. And you'RE GONNA try to transcend that barrier and to be perfectly honest with you. We were naive Steve. We started and we said Oh. Yeah we'll build this overly sin. We didn't realize all sort of the regulatory issues the clinical issues behind it but we have to talk to the FDA. Yeah exactly you were like Oh man. What did we do here? So yeah but you didn't ever think of saying Africa this difficult. No no never never never soon as as soon as we started working. He said we're going to figure this out one way or another. We're GONNA figure it out the pitch is hosted by me. Josh Muccio produced Kareem Maddox and Heather. Rogers we were edited by Sarah Sarasin Fi music by the muse maker original compositions from brake master cylinder and the newsmaker were mixed by enough. Kim Lisa Muccio plan the recording of this pitch. And here's a quick disclaimer. No offer to invest is being made to or solicited from the listening audience on today's show. You can follow the pitch on spotify and listen for free or find new episodes wherever you listen. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back with a new episode episode in two weeks see

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RV 309: The maddening frustrations of getting RV repair and service

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RV 309: The maddening frustrations of getting RV repair and service

"Welcome everybody to episode three, hundred, nine of the RV podcast podcasts welcome fellow travelers. It's time for another episode of the RV podcast answering your questions, sharing tips, suggesting great trips and off the beaten path adventures and always staying on top of the RV lifestyle news, you need to know about with great interviews and. Industry Information. Here's your host award-winning journalists. Mike and Jennifer Woodland. To another edition of the RV podcast your guy to freedom and fun through our V. Travel. No matter what kind of an Rv you have. It'd be a motorhome, a trailer fifth wheel tent. Maybe. Maybe you're just reading about getting an RV someday well, this show for you because on this podcast, we talk about getting out there enjoying God's amazing creation meeting interesting people boone docking, discovering fund places, and using the right gear and technology to enhance our RV lifestyle. So welcome we are very honored that you chose to put us in your ears this week. Well, this week on the RV podcast we are going to Get a little bit frustrated. We're going to talk about the frustrations of getting RV, repairs and service. And plus we're going to look at a new peer to peer storage service that will save you up to fifty percents. The cost of commercial RV storage kind of taken that airbnb peer to peer concept and applying it to RV storage. We'll have really interesting story about that. and. We have RV. News of the week and a fun off the beaten path report from our friends the BURKITT's. But right now, my lifelong traveling companion and my bride Jennifer. Hi My dear, Hello Michael Well here we are. We're back. We had some fun campaign last week. It was lots of fun and it was a lot of challenges to. It. All goes hand in hand. Yes it does and that is the attitude. Now we're pretty positive. And I'm GonNa talk in just a couple of seconds here about some not so positive experiences we had but they were. They were not terribly weren't catastrophic but I think WE'RE GONNA go into some detail about some frustrations we experienced not so much attention does 'cause. Ours will get solved. It's not going to be a big problem. But illustrates think some things that we have been hearing a lot of from our viewers and that is how bad it is getting RV repair and service. But we did have a great time Cam to miciano along the Indiana. southwestern Michigan border in an area rich with lakes and. We had one one incident that was kind of funny and that was your Bacon cooking. He shared it on our Sunday night. Anything show but tell tell everybody in the by-catch happened that was fun were leaving and I decided for strips of Bacon. So I'd cook up the Forest Strips of Bacon and More. We. Hardly had any smoke whatsoever and the smoke detector went off and you were in the shower I tried to make I tried well most people. I, know, but you keep saying my come fix this fix dog I can't. Anyway I couldn't unscrew to take the battery. Of the smoke smoke detectors. so He'd be out shortly, but it seemed to take you forever to get out because there was this horrible. It was really hurting his ears. It was so loud that it brought people because I was thinking about getting out, and then I suddenly heard you talking with people who were standing outside the door people that own the park you see what was going on. And they were up a hill. This this noise. Very loud. Very very loud anyway I don't think it needs to be that loud well. Obviously. It was very effective. I guess had collapsed. It would have brought somebody and they could have dragged this out. But we did not have smoke inhalation and eventually you took the bacon outside and cooked it I kept taking the Pan outside than it. Put it back on the burner open opened all the windows open everything could doors opened everything I could open to get some air moving. But. The thing is I think we have to somehow. I have to learn how to turn off deactivate this well, actually a after you share that on our youtube show the other night I got a couple of emails and Our friends Three name Tandy something is something in their dog I. Think it is anyway they send us a note about how they replaced that smoke detector on. There's there are V with one that has an easy switch. You can flip up a little cover and turn it off you deficit yet that because the smoke detector is too close to the burners on the in the Galley Making Toast Oh. Smoke detector go off even it's not done. Yet. It shouldn't go off so we'll have to sensitive, but it was kind of funny because it brought everybody from all around and I'm in they're trying to think about wrapping tolerate myself and helping, and then I hear Jennifer. A bunch of people know man. So it was kind of fun but we had a had a good time. WE WENT DOWN TO ELKHART Indiana on a couple of days in had some stuff. There we had. We'll share that all in a video coming up in about two weeks. We'll have that bitter two or three weeks but. We got a video this week I think it'll be a lot of fun and that video is going to be on the world's best dog park off leash dog park and it's one that we know very well because we go to it every day just about every day A. Living with Bothers Nolan was Bo- we were there this morning and he he does love it. So but we thought we'd share it because if we ran into that dog park that we go to every day anywhere in the country would have stopped and done a story on it because it's that awesome of apart. But sometimes you know you and you're familiar with something you know everybody knows that. Well, we'll. We'll show you where we like to take and if you have a dog, I think you'll get a kick out of it and if you don't have a dog this some nice pictures in it what's that? I want to get serious here for a moment and. You can interrupt me anytime. They want if I start to say things that are a inopportune, but this does need it. We we've talked before about the problems of RV repair and service, and so I'm just gonNA use some examples from us. About some minor problems we had later on in the questions of the week, you're going to hear a lot from people are fears who have really serious problems but. I think the first thing that. Put out this conversation about RV parents service in perspective is the first thing you learn is an RV owner is not is that. If something can break it will right I mean it does like your home things break accept things are more apt to break in an RV because you're moving down the road shaking everything. It's like an earthquake constant earthquake. The second thing that you will learn very quickly is that getting RV parents service is never an easy task. That's the other thing that you will find out. and. That right now is playing out as one of the top reasons a lot of RV full timers are coming off the road. RV Parents Service is nothing like automobile service they used to have a lot of problems, but they've kind of solve those and usually you can get your car serviced than fixed. I mean, we've got ours ours done tomorrow and they're going to drive to our house, leave us a Loaner, take it work on it a few hours, and then bring it back and I think that's typical of a lot of dealerships that will do that. But within our V. getting parts getting warranty service scheduling repairs, easily it can take weeks. To get an appointment and then all too often more weeks once the RV is in the shop. And even new RV's have issues and I mean just a couple of little things that happened to us last weekend last week in our two month old brand new RV. The door to our brand new domestic refrigerator fell off just like that. Now, we liked that refrigerator lot we had had had it on say model Rv we had just before we got this new one It's kind of NEAT. It's a three way it works. You know on twelve volts that works on LP, gas and it works when you're when you're not when you're plugged in and what's unique about ours it's it opens on both sides, the left or the right, and we had no problems with that refrigerator on the previous model and so far in our two months it's been okay here. But last week as we were about to prepare lunch. I. I just Kinda Thalib fell open. It just fell off. One side. If you open at a certain way, it just falls off which startles you yes star and it's heavy. It's I mean it's a big door. So I my guess what we're GONNA do because we're going to be camping. We need our food cold. I had just shot a video earlier showing how effective it was that it was three degrees in the freezer and it was thirty seven degrees and the main part of the fridge and the door fell off. So remember I said it opens on both sides so. It wasn't. You know I picked it up and I looked, and you could see that you know there's two pins that the top two pins at bottom and kind of lined him up and. A firm push on the top right pin the doors on. But. Then the next time we opened the door at fell off again something's not quite right. It needs to be adjusted. I couldn't find any place to tighten the pins and eventually we found that if we opened it on one side, the right side, it would most often work or it would often work. For a couple of times at least maybe. Every three or four times it would fall off again and if we whenever we tried opening the left side off, it came now as I said, I wonder if there's pins that can be adjusted, I, don't know. But. We kind of decided. Well, we can live with that. We'll get it fixed, but it's not it's not a good thing. So. Next day we're traveling through rural south missed South Western Michigan, and we found a county park that we kinda like well, let's stop and have lunch here and we'll do a little day camping. Maybe take both her walk maybe take an APP you know we've been known to do that. So we pulled in, and of course, I turned off the engine and we're running on the converters. Murders and Carefully, we opened the right side of the refrigerator and got out some food carefully, we shut it again and. It seemed to stay in place. So we're feeling good. We started the microwave and heated up the food we were running that of course, the two thousand invert in our to lithium batteries. We finished lunch carefully put the leftovers back in the refrigerator again, carefully using the right side and off came in the door. Where we got it back on again but but wait, there's more after getting the door back on the fridge I went to charge some batteries for my camera. and. That's when I found out that the converter had stopped working. My one hundred twenty volt. Plugs were data than a doornail. I checked the converter all the lights were off it was powerless. Now I suspect a blown fuse and it wasn't any the breakers inside the coach but back towards the Lithium batteries where the inverted connects cable for the avert her, there's one hundred and fifty m fuse, and the only way to be sure it's blown is to take off the very heavy cables that connect the fuse between the battery, cable and the generator cable. Well the safe way to do that is disconnect the cables from the batteries and I gotTA. Tell you I'm just not comfortable doing that going in an open up all that stuff and taking those you know I mean. That's a lot of lot of electrical juice gone through those things so I think. I. Leave that to the experts at at our dealership. And I call those guys and as always they were great. They took down this serial number of my dometic refrigerator and they said they'd start the process of getting a replacement door and they were reasonably confident. They could address the fuse issue or whatever it was that kildee converter. So we booked in appointment for the following week. The promise. It's a four hundred mile round trip for us to take the RV to the dealership which is located across the state from us I mean we literally have to get up about five am leave by six, and then you end up most is those services you spend the whole day and then you gotta drive back. So I called the day before our appointment. And hadn't heard back from dramatic. Because of COVID they were unsure whether domestic was even had people at their factory or wherever they were shipping replacement parts No one was answering their emails. And maybe the dometic people have experienced this before it maybe all the door needs is some kind of adjustment but until they tell us that. Repairs up in the air. All, they told me a check back at the end of the week said the service guy, and maybe then they'll have an idea and I and I will. Now, again, we can use the RV with that bulky doors long as we don't mind it, you know fallen off every fear four times but the inverted issue means there's no boondock game and So we have kind of canceled a planned trip that we were going to do to southeastern Michigan that's our telephone going off, and of course, Bo here's it immediately thinks it's a cause for alarm. So we KINDA. No no there's GonNa be no traveling. and. I said well I got an idea actually. Jennifer had that is why don't we call her friend Joe who we've used before who runs a mobile RV service business near our home? was scratch that I got a hold of Joe. Make that used to run a service center here Joe has come in off the road now and instead he's opened a small little repair shop in a city. I don't know forty five minutes away from us. I guess. And I said well, I'll drive up and just kind of wait and he's wrong you can't do that. I got so many in here. You just have to drop it off and leave it until I can get around to it and I. Don't know how long that'll take. So boaty side. He's got to come in here and tell us. We didn't hear him way out there. but we got it under control. So, this is so frustrating. RV Parents Service should not be so challenging. Now I know many of you could tell stories that put ours to shame, and in fact, in our question of the week, we're gonNA share some of the responses and some of the things you folks have been telling us on our lifestyle facebook COO. But every week I hear of people who are stuck for days on end in campgrounds waiting for a service appointment. Or they're living in the parking, lot of RV dealers waiting for them to fix their RV or they're having to rent a hotel room as their RV waits for parts or they had a rent cars for one way trips back home because all they could do is drop off their RV at the dealer until the service techs work through the backlog of repairs to get to there's. I mean even RV emergency service techs like our friend Joe. The ones that are still there overwhelmed Our son had a travel trailer and he had to get a half dozen things. specs I. Think it's two years old two three years old on their travel trailer. And it took the two weeks to get their showed up at seven PM and worked until ten PM. We understand things break and as Jennifer said Dr in an RV down the road slight like subjecting it to a five point zero earthquake for hours on end. When you think of it that way it's amazing that things don't break even more than that. They work as well as they do but. They do break and there is clearly something broken with the RV repair and service side of the business. I want to be sure that you understand I don't blame the dealers or the service techs for these frustrations. I have found those guys to be doing the absolute best they can. They are overworked. They face a constant deluge of requests for service and repairs. Like they kind of remind me of triage doctors hospital prioritizing who's the most ill what needs to be fixed right now what can wait They do that similar trash every day. But I do blame the part suppliers. Who covert or no covid are just not stepping up and meeting the repair and the warranty and the service demands. The industry's been booming for years now and the service suppliers have not been doing. Their job they just have. Barely, been able to make the supplies that people need. If you WANNA take a taking our V. Tech out for a beer and just listen to the stories. They'll tell ya about getting parts and warranties and all that stuff. And I also blame the RV industry as a whole which is I think more interested in selling more and more RV's and then taking care of their existing customers. Or even by making sure that RV repair and service can be done in a timely fashion. Now, our problems are going to be really easy to solve the door the invert her at least I think so. The only reason I share them in such detail here is to kind of illustrate the frustration involved in getting things fixed and how disruptive that is and those who find their vacations getaways. In the case of full-timers their entire lives disrupted put on hold until somebody can get the parts and fix them. I don't know what the answer is. We'll share a little bit more than the questions of the week but. And I lost. So share to you how this plays out with us, but it is frustrating. Most of the time it's fine and we can make do. But I think of all those who who stories we hear every week and somebody needs do something I feel sorry for those that really are inconvenienced ours is a minor thing. I mean. The detail of it is you know thing after thing, and then how do you get it fixed? You can't go. You gotta put it off here and one can you then go camping we were here we got rid of. You know it's like twenty twenty. Yeah. The whole year don't you think it's crazy. Hey, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, and this'll be pushed of course on our RV lifestyle blog and you can comment on the blog We always have the show notes posted for our our podcast, and that's at our lifestyle com slash three Oh, nine through, and I'm being the number of the episode and it'll take you right to the show. Notes. But Skoda RV lifestyle, dot com you'll find it despite the podcast brought to you by camping world America's number one RV dealer. They are your go to spot for everything out doors in Jennifer I. kind of think of it as an oasis for viewers they've got two hundred and twenty-five locations across the country, and there's always one close by when we need to get the the accessories we want for our. in fact, we have a complete page with all of the RV and camping supplies that Jennifer us. Or that we recommend and even better listeners to the podcast and get ten percent off all purchases over ninety nine dollars. You hear US talk about all these little products and the things we use from camping chairs to my little tilly hat that I wear and We just did a big thing on you know how you needed some on the blog we did some thing on why everybody should have a water pressure regulator. So all those things we've we've put together on a page all the things we use and we put it at RV lifestyle dot com slash camping world, and if you use the code, you gotta use the code RV lifestyle ten, RV lifestyle ten, they'll give you. Ten percent off all purchases over ninety nine bucks. So check them up, they have all these great supplies. The little things you need to keep your RV equipped RV lifestyle dot com slash camping world. That's the address in the code once again is RV lifestyle ten. Mike Scott News. Able use inside information trains that shape the RT lifestyle. Here's the RV news of the week. Wildfire is burning. The West are making headlines this week closing campgrounds and causing evacuations and parts of California, Arizona Utah, and Colorado to name a few in California at least a million acres have burned in seven days with wildfires reaching historic size elsewhere Utah's minors Ville campground was evacuated over the weekend because of wildfires, Arizona officials closed at least two campgrounds because of Wildfires Nusa Guerrero national park and. Wildfires are raging across large areas of Colorado every year. Around this time, we hear of wildfires in the West, but to us this year, the news seems even more severe. There are more than one hundred out of control wildfire wildfire is being reported as we record this episode and smoke and haze can be seen from California to Kansas, and we just had a post on our lifestyle dot com that we wrote about the dangers of inhaling smoke you know when you're driving in your RV made. Get that smoke gets inside the RV and you may be driving for miles and miles and hours with that stuff and how the fines smoke particulates can do damage to your lungs can check that out at RV lifestyle, dot com but man is a bad year out there and while those wildfires have ravaged the West states of course, if found the news, you know that along the Gulf of Mexico, they're bracing for not one but two hurricanes this week and what is being called an unprecedented event storms causing campground closings and evacuations. As you'd expect, Hurricane Marco is expected to be a class one hurricane when it hits Louisiana At the time of this writing expected to be category two expected to hit Louisiana and maybe Mississippi. Parts of Alabama. The Gulf islands national seashore a fort pickens campground near Pensacola were among many on the coast that were closing because of the storms and we wrote a story earlier this year that included links to some very helpful sources to help you monitor road and weather emergencies, and you can find that story in the show notes just go to RV lifestyle dot com slash three Oh nine and scroll down to the news of the week section. We've been telling you. It is busy out there and some national parks are starting to share numbers to define it. The numbers of people visiting Yellowstone National Park in July were up two percent from July twenty nine. The numbers up even though we are in the middle of a pandemic. Campgrounds and hotels have reduced their capacity and visitors from other countries are staying. Home. Yellowstone is seeing visitors from all fifty states and neighboring grand tetons is also seen an increase in visitors up three percent from July twenty nineteen. Kentucky Man faces a possible seven hundred, fifty, thousand dollar fine. Or six months in jail for allegedly violating a quarantine order in the Alberta Rockies, he did it in late June, and as you know, the border to Canada is still closed because of covid nineteen but as we have shared here before. Some Americans are kind of legally sneaking across than visiting Canada's tourist areas in defiance of the law. Only to find an angry Canadian population who are calling police Then they're often ordered to be quarantined, and in this case, this guy's a subject to a very hefty fine on July thirty first Canada tightened its border even more. Americans can pass through if they're headed Alaska, but they gotta go straight to Alaska they're not supposed to stop or go anywhere unless it's an emergency and they have to have a tag on their cars on their mirror identifying them the date they have to be out of the country they're not allowed to stop and visit tourist areas just goes straight through it. It's a mess. These closures are expected to be go to the end of the month and there are some. There's some talk that they may go all the rest of the year but seven hundred fifty, thousand, dollar fine. Can you imagine that six months in jail? That's what? They're threatening one American with, and we'll kind of see how that one plays out to people who camped at Golden Beach Campground and Rakhat Lake New York. Last week tested positive for covid nineteen, the to went camping in the on Deck Area Campground August Fifteenth Through Twentieth Law Camping the couple use the restrooms and shower buildings and also wanted to nearby towns. Health officials shared the information. So anyone who stayed in this area during this time would know while camping Mike and I recommend using your RV shower and bathroom as much as possible, and despite the story camping is considered a relatively low risk activity in many stories and reports we are monitoring. This part of the podcast brought to you by Rad Power Bikes America's number one e Bike brand offering director consumer pricing on powerful premium electric bikes, free shipping, and a special discount listeners of the RV. PODCAST. Rad Power Bikes bill for everything price for everyone many different models they fit every possible of variety of writer. Wanson. Deeds they can all go twenty miles per hour with zero paddling their street legal anywhere. 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Repair and service, and I offered some thoughts about it. But on our RV lifestyle facebook group, that topic is a very active one. It seems to surface every other day or so and I want to share one that just came up as we're putting this podcast together. This is from a reader named Todd, and here's what he wrote. He said I'm new here to our facebook groped and Read about quality issues, one of the post with new RV's. and. Understand how dealers don't see the need to fix issues like panels falling off while on the lot. People Spend Twenty, seven thousand dollars on a fifth wheel and they don't see the need to fix it before customers. See it. Well Dalo post from todd in just a couple hours brought over sixty replies madden trio. We just some samples Manton treatment. If, you only knew the problems we've had with our brand new twenty, twenty top of the line fifth wheel. You'd never buy one and absolutely run the other way. delamination down the side and across the back. Defective roof where Pinhole was found for a leak not to mention a roof with blisters under belly keeps coming undone shower panels coming undone from the wall leaks. The list goes on with close to forty items. Oh, the washing machine has gone out twice in six months in the end the Evan will not stay. Let until after we're literally about the sixth the eighth time man I have so many pictures and videos that it would make your head spin. I'm working now with the Lemon law lawyer. Caroline offers this advice about dealers who don't fix obvious issues. No one seems to take pride in their work. They don't fix it before the sale odd stay steer clear from them because they probably have crappy services well. Camilla noting that many dealers charge of a paperwork fee yet in her case she noted. It's always fun to see the eighty, eight, hundred, ninety, five dollar pre delivery inspection fee on the brand new RV. But in our case, wires were hanging out moldings were dangling TV was missing the coffee stain in the cabin, the hydraulic arm ripped out of the screen door and so on. Joe Says. There's so much demand for RV's now, the factories are rushing to produce as fast as possible. Says Michael I. Have a twenty nineteen RV brand new on the lot. I made a list of twenty two items that needed to be fixed before I left the dealer now one year later. I. Have Trim pieces falling off bench seat literally fell apart and I cannot stop the slide out from leaking during rain. Helen has problems to. What makes me angry she says is we bought a brand new rockwood fifth wheel specifically to avoid these issues we came to the conclusion. It's cheaper for the companies to rush them through and hope people don't return them for warranty work then to make them right the first time what is funny is that we talked to someone we met at a campground who had a much more expensive fifth wheel than us when we said we wish we'd gone ahead and spent more money for one like his and avoided these problems he laughed and told us his sad story with warranty work. It was as bad as ours. Victoria reported we're shopping and I'm amazed that at one lot at a local dealer, it was full of different size and shapes and brands of Campers, and so I ask if we could see a couple of them in the RV dealers said, those campers aren't for sale there waiting to be fixed the lot was full. Finally Chuck says. Sadly what the industry needs is competition from quality overseas manufacturing such as happened in the auto industry. I hate to think of that crap we'd be driving and if it not been for quality Japanese cars forcing the American manufacturers to up their game seems to me that one good American manufacturer could provide a competition. Folks there are sixty different reports like to that post from todd and they were all filed from all over the country. In, just a few hours, these are real stories. True stories involve many different RV brands, manufacturers, dealers. I'm a very positive and optimistic guy said that earlier but that does not mean turning a blind eye to these serious issues. You can read top supposed replies. I'll put a link in the show notes to RV lifestyle dot com slash three Oh, nine RV lifestyle dot com slash three, oh nine. Travelers. Featured on the RV, podcast. 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We've all been having cold weather is you know coming quick just around the corner and a lot of our viewers are thinking about putting their RV's in storage, and as they start to check it out, they are cringing at the prices they're finding I mean is very expensive to store an RV. But from that problem has come. A solution. Just is AIRBNB and VR -bio introduced peer to peer vacation rentals and then in the RV. Field Harvest Host and Boondock irs welcome and overnight RV. Parking brought that same concept to offset the cost of expensive campgrounds. So as a man named Joseph, woodbury brought the `peer-to-peer trend to the RV storage industry. Everyday people and even some businesses around the country are opening up their property, their driveways, even their garage for RV storage, and the cost is up to fifty percent cheaper than commercial storage places Joseph. Woodbury is our guest on the RV podcast interview of the week, and his website is neighbor dot com. To learn more about this, we are joined by Joseph Woodbury. He is the founder and the CEO of neighbor Dot Com Joseph. Welcome to the PODCAST. So glad to have you on. So. Much. Tell us. Exactly what neighbor dot com does and. Obviously how it is of interest particularly to our fears and how particularly about at this time of year when we're starting to look at cold weather and time to put the RV away for a while. Sure neighbor, DOT COM. It's pretty simple at the platform where you can go on and lists space that you might have in or around your home could be a garage or an attic or basement any space that's unused, and you can rent it out one of your neighbors that need storage and they could come over and store their boxes in your basement or or Rv on your driveway or they're in your garage. And that earn money and they get a very portable place to store. It's kind of borrowing on the idea of guess AIRBNB and then we look at things like Vr be oh, for a vacation places and then in the RV world harvest host and boondocks welcome camping, RV camping overnight that kind of stuff. This is really smart idea. In fact, I just did an interview last week about. that. Are Letting folks parking in their in their lot. So this is kind of A. It's technically called peer to peer I. Guess. So, Hollywood an our veer find storage for their are on neighbor DOT COM. We try to make it pretty simple. You can go on and you can type in. Your address and search close to you. You can type in dimensions of your RV. So you find a spot that's just the right length and width for your. and. Our our site will pull up all the sites that are around you. That are rentable. You'll be able to see the price how frequently you could access the space. You'll be able to read a little bio about the person that you'll be renting from. You can message them get to know them all through the site, and then you know when you're ready to select the space, you can just reserve a space right online. We handle all the payments you don't have to deal with you know handing cash back and forth like you used to have to do, we'll make sure your payment gets collected and sent to the to the hosts bank account every single month and Make sure that. You get everything you need. We also provide insurance. Bauer, we're actually the only storage provider in the country that we know of that provides twenty, five thousand dollars in insurance for every single item that you store on our platform. So much safer alternative to you know one of those self storage units then you could go get completely uninsured. Now, of course that works out well, if you have a items like boxes and stuff into storage unit, but an RV is it's it's usually worth a lot more than twenty, five, thousand dollars. What happens in that case? You're you're on your own right you got to evaluate it and evaluate the host sure and and most RV renters will actually have a policy on their rb. Of course, it's a it's a vehicle You typically have insurance on that be Hickel. If you were to go to store at your an RV storage location professional RV storage location, they would provide us zero dollars in insurance and expect you to ensure the entire vehicle yourself. While we do is we go kind of a step further and we provide you twenty five thousand dollars in insurance on your RV on top of whatever insurance you may already have on that vehicle. And so in every way were were you know it's more convenient and more secure than the existing solution how about the pricing on on neighbor Dot Com? It says sometimes fifty percent less is give us a rough idea for. Our, which can range from twenty five. To forty feet forty, five feet. How how does that work pricing wise I know everybody's different, right so but give us some ballparks. So we do is we've we know that our hosts when they're creating a listing to rent out their space. Most of them have no idea how to price their their space and they need some guidance, and so we've spent several years creating an algorithm. That will take some inputs that'll take your location what city you're in. What neighborhood within that city you're in? What are the dimensions of the space? Some other amenities you know as it climate controlled other factors and it will give a recommended price to that host and they can choose to. Follow are recommended price or or choose to. Price it at any price, they'd like ninety percent more likely to be rented out when they follow our pricing recommendations and so you know to your question, what is a typical RV space going to run on neighbors platform that's going to vary by market. So you know we have many spaces in San Francisco California, and those are going to be much more expensive than a space in Salt Lake City Utah but for example, a Basic Salt Lake City Utah you can find a spot to store your. RV for. Seventy eighty dollars a month. Much. Much cheaper than you're going to find going to professional facility that can charge you anywhere from. Turner fifty, three, hundred, sometimes even four hundred dollars a month. Depending on the location so In each market while the price varies on our platform. In every market, it always ends up being around around forty to fifty percent cheaper than the existing. Storage market I'm looking at your website neighbor dot com now and I've scrolled around the country and the rates really are pretty good I'm looking at one. We we spent a lot of time down in Florida and if I want to keep my RV there, I've a forty by thirty space near us. That that I could get for for twenty two, fifty, a month a thirty by forty space I'm that's huge for. Fifty now up in the Detroit area or where I'm coming to you from. Now you know it's a big metropolitan area and the rates can be sixty to a hundred bucks a month by just go a few miles out of town they dropped down to forty five. So it it as you say, it depends market but I am amazed at how many spots you have some appear to be driveways others. Parking lots commercial parking lots and others are actually indoor storage as well. In a Byron near in in a in a covered building. That's some pretty good options here. That's right and this is such a big market. You know when we when we created this company, we were amazed at how big of a market as Americans spend over forty billion dollars a year on self storage. It's you know we've now built more self storage locations than there are McDonald's starbucks Dunkin donuts domino's pizzas. Wendy's Burger. King's Walmarts home depots in Cosco's combined in the United States. That's how much storage we built, and so it's really an industry that needed some innovation and and our innovation was really just realizing that, hey, we don't need to build all of that space. It's really a waste. There's plenty of unused space completely empty sitting all around us and a lot of those people are willing to rent gut space out for very reasonable prices because they need the income help pay the mortgage to help save for a down payment. On A. Or you know vacation and so if we can connect those two people together, it's really a win win solution for everyone and it and it makes it so that we have to, we don't have to keep building these eyesore storage facilities in our towns. You know someone was just telling me the other day you can fit. In three billion square feet of self storage. In the United States, you can fit every man woman and child simultaneously in a storage unit. And they'd be comfortable. You know they wouldn't be even squished together and that's just excessive especially when there is so much space all around us already. Well, it's a great idea and innovation peer to peer certainly is a model that is working. Well, I've one last question and I guess that would depend. But one of the things are veers dues they may put it in stories, but they wanNA come and visited every month or every couple of weeks maybe run the generator make sure everything's working and the batteries are good Has a blanket policy or does that vary by location? Yes. So when a host is creating listing, that's one of the several questions that will ask them. Last how frequently can rancher access your space and they can choose from a number of options. Many will choose twenty, four, seven access especially for an outdoor location. They'll say come get your rb whenever you'd like for indoor location. Some will say business hours only or they'll say by appointment only meeting, you have to reach out to the host in advance and set up a time to come by. To access your your space, and once we collect information from the host that information is displayed right on the listing itself, and so the renter who's looking to store there are we can see before they the space they can already see. How frequently they'll be able to access that space and they can take that into account when choosing which the book. NEIGHBOR DOT COM is the side Joseph Woodbury, the founder, and the CEO is our guest and I wanna thank you so much for making making some time for us to talk about it. It's great idea and I am sure people are going to do it at one one thing too. If those are people who have spaces and they want to to have it offered to people I'm sure they. Can contact you through neighbor dot com as well. Nuts right. Absolutely. All right. Joseph, thank you so much for being on the podcast. 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Here's my don't know if you guys are hungry rate now, our many of you listen to us at the gym as you're working out or some of you in the morning commute or the morning or the afternoon return then I know you're hungry maybe you're doing some housework maybe you're in the our viana hike or just sitting in a chair looking at some beautiful countryside but going to make you hungry when you hear. Tom and Patty, Burkett are off the beaten path correspondence and this week's report. Mike and Jennifer. Maybe, food stands where the food trucks of the Eighties Gus flava built one on the parking lot of his bar in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, seven, he hoped it would get his new son in law out of the Steel Mills, which promised a short lifetime physical ills Bob who had married glavas. Daughter Donna turned out to be a great. Cook. Donna turned out to be a first rate organizer and manager starting with the twelve by fifteen foot stand powered. By extension cords, the business prospered adding on several times, but never changing its menu of pit cooked beef and a few well prepared side dishes. Now, at five locations, chaps, pit beef has become a Goto spot for this Baltimore favourite and long outlived the business that spawned it nowadays believe it or not. It sits in the parking lot of an all new review club. The first time we tried pit beef was at the Delta Card Heritage Festival in Tiny Delta Pennsylvania. The town is Welsh by culture and originally home to miners who collected and split slate from nearby deposits to make roofing shingles. One day, we'll tell you more about that. It's a small festival the day we were there. Maybe fifty people were in attendance. We noticed around lunchtime that align began forming at one corner of the Picnic pavilion on the grounds of the park where the festival was being held at events like this, you just can't ignore line so we queued up to. About ten minutes later, a man walked up to a homemade barrel grill out pavilion through back the lid inside were several blackened roasts and a couple of Hams. He pulled the cover off the table revealing a meat slicer, several bags of Sandwich buns and a big jar of what turned out to be yours ranch sauce. A collective. Sigh passed through the assembled crowd as he pulled one of the rose from the grill, laid it on the slicer and went to work more beef than a person should eat at one sitting was piled onto bun after Bun. The line moved forward in the level of the horseradish sauce lowered steadily. It was a life changing experience that sandwich and it propelled us into the search for pit beef where whenever we're in the area as foodstuffs go pit beef is an all that old it made. It's early appearances along the National Road Baltimore's working class neighborhoods in the late sixties but didn't really become a Baltimore thing until the early eighties pit beef isn't. Barbecue or so we're told because it's fast cooked hot hot fire rather than slow cooked devotees of both will argue for days about the distinction, but it makes no difference to the taste. Some prefer thick hand cut slices on white bread and some love wafer-thin machine cut slices Powell on a roll but whatever the form no one would ever turn it down whatever form it takes vegetarians have been known to forego even that practice when faced with a beef sandwich. So we stood in line six feet apart with the face. Lunchtime crowd that trailed well out. The of the door at the original chaps on Baltimore's Eastside. There were construction workers, hospital staff men, and women in suits, families, and even a man with what must have been a very, well trained service dog in the line. Soon, enough we were at the counter then picking up a surprisingly heavy bag to carry out as promised the meat was cooked to perfection piled high on the Bun and seasoned. Just right. It was way too big and went down way too easy. The Washington Post reviewed the best. PIT beef in Maryland and chaps only got an honorable mention. So I'm sure we have much pleasure waiting on our next visit roast beef sandwiches or something of a regional specialty across the country, and you can find a mouth-watering variety if you keep your eyes open from Italian beef in Chicago to roast beef co-boys in new. Orleans the Gooch in Seattle to beef on Weck in Buffalo or French dip in Denver to the Hot Brown, and Louisville. Lovingly prepared meat on a bun out here off the beaten path and off the beaten path brought to you this week by nomad Internet nomad Internet is what Jennifer Ny us when we are on the road now and it is designed especially for traveling nomads are veers who demand truly unlimited high speed Internet. 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I The twenty twenty one Florida RV super show. is on at least so far it's on dates are January thirteenth through the Seventeenth Twenty Twenty one at the Florida State fairgrounds in. Tampa. And I'll put a link in the show notes for you just go to RV lifestyle dot com slash three Oh nine and scroll all the way down to where we talk about the RV events calendar but Tampa is still technically on they are expected to start actually selling tickets this fall, and it has not yet been canceled and people are pretty excited about that because that will be the first major public show since everything shut down at least you know the giant one and second of all this one is onto. This is another huge event. It's the annual quartzite Alabam, her Arizona courtside, Arizona sports vacation, and RV show out there in the desert in court site Arizona. That is scheduled for January sixteen th through the twenty fourth I heard from show organizers. This week is a matter of fact and they got the official. Okay. From health officials out there The details are available at court sight RV, show dot com but I'll again, I'll put a link so you can find it in our show notes when you are able to stop, I know many of your driving it's. Hard to write those links down. So if you remember RV lifestyle dot com slash three, oh nine will take you to the show notes. Now, these shows, of course, Hopefully, the start of many more that will be saying I, WanNa give you those that that particularly quartzite because I know a lot of you have to make your plans to go out there. That's the big boon docking area in the desert around quartzite. You WanNa start making your plans and they assure us that they've talked officials and they're on, they'll have face max masks and whatever other things they need to do but start planning for it. All of course, subject to change should the covid situation. 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The Mummies of Guanajuato

Ridiculous History

33:49 min | 2 years ago

The Mummies of Guanajuato

"Today's episode of ridiculous histories brought to you by Gillette, on demand, when I'm looking for an especially smooth comfortable shave with Noah patches. No, no, scratches I always go to Gillette razors specifically. I'm a fan of the fusion proof shield or the mach three. And my dad also uses Gillette razors. He actually taught me how to shave using a Gillette and the future is now folks with Gillette on demand, you can get blades delivered directly to your door subscribed today and give fifty percent off your first order with the special offer stuff, five zero at checkout that stuff, five zero. Enjoy free shipping. And every fourth order free with your subscription against some of the shave had in my life. Don't take my word for it. Visit Gillette online at Gillette, on demand dot com and use the code stuff. Five zero for fifty percents off your first order. Casey, could we get a little bit of spooky music just for a second. In the background here it is impacting Tober perfect. Woke to the show ridiculous historians. We are men of our word earlier. We had floated the idea of finding more frightening, disturbing creepy tales as we get closer to Halloween Ben didn't. We do pope based kind of spooky creepy Taylor ready, but that was pre-october. No, you're right. That was pre-october and we, we talked about whether we should save that one, but that was just such a cool and strange story. We were compelled the power of Christ compelled us to put that podcast out in the world and the power of super producer. Casey peg REM. Health make that reality. We're looking at a story today that is equal parts ridiculous and I would say tragic. Yeah, I say mainly tragic and book. Yeah, and this is this is something that you had you had hip to me to know which is the story of mummies in Mexico? Yeah, specifically the Mexican town of Guanajuato which was established in the early sixteenth century and was something of a BoomTown for silver mining. It became that in the eighteenth century to the point where I believe it actually kind of messed with the economy of silver because there was just so much damn silver coming out of there that it like jacked with the price of silver and away that caused some real economic problems in the region. Absolutely. Yeah. For time it was the third largest silver mine on the planet in terms of production. They still have traces of this. Mine. Winning industry, right? Especially ways it Boca del Farrell, Boca del inferno. It's mine shaft that Boca meaning mouth. So the mouth of hell. And this is an attraction you can see there are also it's known for its beautiful architecture. These brightly colored baroque buildings, and they're these like narrow kind of alleys between the buildings, and it's a very walkable picturesque little city. But it also was an important stronghold during the Mexican revolution when Mexico was able to break free of Spanish control. And that is when father Miguel Hidalgo in eighteen ten who is the parish priest in Dolores put out his infamous grow Dila Dolores shout of Dolores and he assembled a a mob of peasants. Brandishing machetes and clubs, and they eventually made their way to Guanajuato because it was the most prominent largest city in. In the area, and that became their stronghold in the site of the beginning of the Mexican revolution. So a lot of history in this town, but today's episode is not about any of those things. Oh, yes, yes. Let me set this up. We should say that the name one watt though actually translates to mountainous place of frogs love that. And it's it's had several different names throughout its time because it's very old city. So maybe an Aztec era where the name was. Yeah, what was it? It was the land of straw, and the word is beautiful. When translated from and I, it was an Aztec word pox TIs LAN. That's that is a buf- word. I personally, I also like MO, the place of metals. Yeah, which is the older main learning. It makes perfect sense. It was also the place of weird, government-sanctioned grave, robbing. That's right today, story involves grave robbing and it involves. I'm just. Say it really terrible move on the part of local government. So there's a big city. A lot of people get buried, you know, life happens and bore new live, and you die. And there was a cholera outbreak around the area of guano to in the eighteen thirties run eighteen thirty three or so. And these people when they expired, they were interns. They were buried in some cases they were involved. But a few years later, the local government puts attacks on graves, yes. The thing is like you would rent this place like didn't own. Yeah. Yeah, you'd rent it. And I think the initial rental period was about five years. And then you had to rea- your rental, your family had to, you know, assuming you had any family to speak of and if you didn't pay this, this is something that was instituted between eighteen sixty five to nineteen fifty eight by the way, very recently done away with and if you did not. Pay for three years in a row. That's right. Then your peeps would be up rooted literally dug up dug up because they were in these airtight, MAs, Liam chambers, they would be removed and victim and they were either taken to a simple poppers grave outside of town. I and this is interesting about the story the this of this culture very much reveres death. You have the day, oh, still swear to us, and all of these kind of death related rituals and just deep veneration for one's ancestors and paying respects. And you know this very religious culture. The idea of digging up these loved ones and putting them in a a less desirable burial space had to have been very painful for some of these families. But that wasn't even the worst thing that could have happened was there's stranger things that happened because it would be put in a poppers graver. They might be placed in an also which was actually under the cemetery grounds itself. Waiting in case the relatives would come back cough up the money and have their loved ones reinterred reburied which did happen in a couple of cases. These people were taken out of the grave and then put back in. But when they were taken out of the grave, often they weren't decayed in the way that you would expect a dead body to rot over time. They were preserved, they were mummies. They were mummies. They have become mummies. Naturally. They were mummified by the environment in which they were interred believe. The first one that was found mummified was a man named Dr. Remigio LeRoy in eighteen sixty five Frenchmen right of the French doctor, I think is what he was doing. So we're sort of bearing the lead here. We were getting there, but yes, been this is very important. Fact that they were naturally mummified from lack of oxygen and just the very dry climate that that existed there as part of the world. And so they would literally just dry out and their clothes would rot quicker than their bodies would. And here's the thing these mummies. When they found this, this Frenchman the first guy they found had undergone this transformation. They were like, this is pretty cool and by, I guess the city people that ran the Muslim. What do you think like city officials? This was a state run facility, right, right. Yeah, they would like, okay, this is pretty cool. We should hold onto this guy and so they do that. And they continue doing that for several years before they realize, hey, we might have a little moneymaker on our hands. So what happens then is the ones that the curator's let's call them deem. I guess fascinating enough specimens right are kept and in the fifties, a museum is opened, yes is true. This hearkens back to our earlier episode which seems so so long ago now on corpses in dioramas you remember that very much do with the camel in the Arabic gentlemen with the the human skull I play right? And when yes, we say thought to be fascinating. What do we mean? This is pretty graphic stuff. He's being things like mummy that was pregnant or people who appear to have been buried alive such as natio- Aguilar. The people who were buried alive were almost certainly buried by accident due to the extreme nature of the cholera outbreak. And yeah, it's right. And a lot of these specimens were found to have cholera or have suffered from smoke inhalation. There's a really great. Really short podcasts from show called Mexico on unexplained. I think one, yeah, and it it. It goes into some of these details, but really interesting that they would have had smoke inhalation because it was either from smoking cigarettes or any kind of tobacco or possibly from working in those minds under less than ideal conditions. Oh, yes. End before we get to four way from a wanna clarify because I remember it. I did find the explanation of how this museum thing came about and it's it's kind of disappointing in what it says about the human condition because once word of the Guanajuato mummies started spreading around town, other people in town were apparently sneaking over and paying people who worked at the cemetery's just a couple of pesos to sneak in and take a quick peek. So it was a, the workers were motivated by profit, and then they were incentivized because this burial taxes still. Around the pool, more and more bodies out of the crypt, and then find more and more mummies and charge more and more people to see them. So what were they keeping them before the museum situation took off before the museum they would eventually it'd be kept in that also wary under the graveyard dislike for rainy day in Kate will the official reason the just in case the families come back and say, we do have the money to pay the burial tax, but why would they keep them versus bearing them outside of town? Like my understanding what they kept these because they were so crazy looking and they like, I think I think it's a situation again where there was an official reason and then there was a real reason guy. Hey, everyone. We're ridiculous history, and we want to tell you about a brand new apple discover an app just for investing. It's called Robin Hood. Answer. I Robin Hood and investing lets you buy and sell stocks ETF s.'s options and cryptocurrencies all commission free. 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Liam lease rental fees. They figure they would capitalize in another way and they open this to the public in the nineteen fifties. And it was actually voted Guanajuato 's believe, number one tourist attraction. And so for a nominal fee of two pesos, you can take a look at the mall. Than one hundred hundred eight hundred eight dried out, human mummies, natural mummies. And that this includes all different types of situations in varying stages of decay, kind of. Yeah, and you can still see their facial expressions and a lot of cases which you mentioned the somewhat gruesome details that have allowed investigators to determine who was buried alive and who is buried when they were actually dead. When you mentioned that was buried alive actually still has her hands like transfer, like, you know, in covering her eyes, died biting her arm. Yeah. And the thing too is most of these cadavers have these just pained expressions as though they're like shrieking in agony and it's because of what happens when the tongue dries out during this process and the jaws starts to slacken, you start kind of looks like the scream. I know that that painting and this is pretty crazy. Ray Bradbury actually wrote a short story about based on his visit to this this museum when he was Bakke shinning with his wife in Guanajuato, and he wrote a story called the next in line where he very vividly describes this. So I'm going to read a little bit of that way. Yeah, case it can get that spooky music back for this. I think I think deserves it. They were screaming. They looked as if they had leapt snapped up right in their graves clutched, hands over their tripled bosoms and screamed jaws wide tongues out nostrils flared and been frozen that way. All of them had open mouths. There was a perpetual screaming. They were dead and they knew it in every raw fibre evaporated Oregon. They knew it. She stood listening to them, scream. They say, dogs here sounds humans never hear sounds so many decibels higher than normal hearing that they seem non existent. The corridor swarmed with screams screams poured from terror. Yawn lips and dry tongues screams. You couldn't hear because they were so high. Not cool Ray Bradbury not cool. What do you think about that? Yeah, I've actually read the story. It's right Ray Bradbury's a fantastic writer in very appropriate for Halloween. The mummy museum also inspired other works of fiction in the late nineteen seventies hers. All took a number of shots of these various mummies for the title sequence of his film, NAS Virata the vampire because he just wanted a morbid eerie atmospheric opening sequence. I remember that sequence and I did not know that Ben and one of the museums other notable points of interest is that it has the smallest mummy in the world. It is a fetus from the pregnant woman that we've mentioned earlier. It's a heartbreaking thing in it's strange to feel the turns of history. So immediate and tactile, you know, because so often we think of these. These horrific tragic events as an abstract thing from a history book, but going and seeing these real people is tremendously profound and moving experience. One other work of fiction that we absolutely have to mention is the film that incorporates the mummies of Guanajuato in a not accurate way is called santio versus the mummies of Guanajuato. Santo being a very popular Lucia door wrestler. These these wrestlers wear this cool masks and this guy was like a real celebrity, and it was almost sort of like Abbott and Costello, you know, meets Frankenstein or whatever. It was like a very well known national figure fighting very well known, national monster. Yeah, Ridolfi Gutman helped a famous wrestler at the time, and we found we found some various clips of this film, you know, get made in nineteen seventy two and unwell in. I want to check it out. I want to watch the whole thing. I'll come back with a review, if oh, come back with a review. If there's interest, what makes it relevant for interest today's that this film spread word of the mummies outside of Mexico, and people began to learn about this on an international level yet. I mean, it started kind of became much more of a fixture of popular culture at the time, and it wasn't really replicated for many years, but it certain. Spread awareness and likely up the value to the government of this place. Right, right. And this leads us to the ethical question that we've run into before, you know, and the question is, is it right to display the bodies of these people? Certainly certainly not with their consent, and we don't know if their family members were asked if their family members consented. Yeah, there's actually a quote in this piece from the guardian that just talks about how there were no laws broken in doing this that the the Mexican people have a different attitude towards death. They don't, and it's kinda countered it when I said the beginning of the show, I would assume that it would be this would be very disrespectful. This would be considered like Harris. He kind of, you know, to disinter people's loved ones, but you know, the guy that's in charge of this place seems to think differently. Yeah, this guy Arturo to bear. Who is the head spokesman for the Guanajuato government set in the Daily Mail piece. I Mr. tribute to the guardian. Earlier that quote, the museum is an important part of Ghana. Does tourist appeal cast your first point. The museum breaks no laws and displaying its exhibit to visitors who are given fair warning graphic content. Here's the important part. We have a different cultural approach to death in Mexico. Here we celebrate the cycle of life and accept death as inevitable ninety nine percent of the visitors leave the experience pleased with what they saw. But here's the thing. So many of these infants in in the museum of which there are several are often dressed as saints. So there's one that goes by they call colloquially little Saint Martin who is basically the skeleton of tiny baby wearing the traditional garb of Saint Martin something called a cassock and holding a broom and holding rosary beads. And it is. Macab my friend. So include the mentioned the guardian because there's a guardian piece I remembered I wanted to bring up. It's called why Mexican celebrate the day of the dead by Tonio wife's and in their has this just stunning Octavio Paz quote about what he sees as the Mexican attitude with death. He says the Mexican is familiar with death jokes about it, caresses it sleeps with its, celebrates it true. There is much fear in his attitude as in that of others, but at least death is not hidden away. He looks at it face to face with impatience disdain or irony. And I think that's, you know, maybe that's maybe that's what makes it. Okay. Maybe this is an important thing rather than an expletive thing. You know what I mean? Because they can't be making that much money, right profit can't be the sole motivation, businesses, four thousand visitors a week. I mean, that's. A decent amount of cash. Yeah, guess it does add up? Yeah, sure. It's it's been open since the fifties. I mean, you know, yeah, you're right. I have a bit of a cash cow I knew say so myself. But I guess what I'm getting out of struggling with is there was even so this this tax was relinquished right? And at the end of the fifties eighteen fifty and nineteen fifty eight. But there actually was a recent addition to this collection was a baby that died in nineteen ninety nine at six months. So I want to clear something of real question. We actually had a little discussion off my the law that required the tax. There was a grave tax. Yeah, when away nine hundred fifty eight. But there was also like you still had to rent these spaces. You still have the least the lace, the land and like you would up reopen for like twenty years. Something like it started at like a five year. And then if you didn't come back, then they could still remove your loved ones corpse. And that happened with this baby in the really heartbreaking thing as apparently the baby is in the collection museum. Mm-hmm. And the mother who still living pretty regularly comes and visits her child. Yeah. And there's something description how this happened sounds remarkably cold. So if the if the family, this reviving relatives choose not to pay or re-sign on that lease, then the body is removed and it goes to the museum's curator and curator inspects the corpse to see whether it's good enough to be added to the collection. And I had earlier said the number was a hundred and eight corpses in the display, but I believe it's one hundred and eleven now because they have added some. Hey, everyone. We're ridiculous history, and we want to tell you about a brand new apple, discover an app just for investing. It's cold, Robin Hood. Answer I Robin Hood and investing in that lets you buy and sell stocks e f, s.'s options and cryptocurrencies all commission free. 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You can discover new stocks and track favorite companies with your own personalized news feed, and you get custom notifications for price movements. So you never miss the right moment to invest. And today just for hanging out with ridiculous history. Robinhood wants to give you a free stock like apple Ford or sprint to help build your portfolio. Sign up at history, robinhood dot com. That's right. Go a history dot, Robin Hood dot com and sign up now. There wasn't too confusing with the difference between the grave tax and the the lease. 'cause they were two different things in threw me for a little bit, but. We, we, we got there. We didn't think so. What's what's next. This sounds like a place that I would be intrigued. I mean, I'm I'm into kind of like this sort of dark type stuff. I went to the museum of death in LA and quite enjoyed that. Even the some of it was even a little little much for me a lot of like embalming videos and you know, murder, crime, scene, photographs, and things like that. But do you think this is right then? Do you think this is of value to society to be able to experienced death in such a raw kind of detached way? It's interesting to. That's the question I asked earlier in the show, you know, ethically, is this more useful to humanity as as a memorial as a way of educating people or is exploited hate of it seems like the museum itself has a lot of support from the local community and it is of benefit to science because we're able to. Search the process of natural MoMA fixation, Texas State university had some great research on how this stuff occurs in how the environment interacts with the corpse. But I would say it's similar to did you ever see bodies exhibit? I never did, but I've seen photographs of the perfectly preserved cadavers where you see the muscles and all that fascinating. Yeah, where you see organs or the circulatory system or nervous system taken out and kind of plasticize to give you a better Lookie human anatomy. But those people when they were alive, didn't consent to that, right. Surely not in every case, and we have to ask ourselves, at what point does the benefit to science or the benefit to history outweigh the the ethical pitfalls of displaying someone's corpse after they die. I will say that I, if. I'm in that town. I will go visit just because I think it's in a way it with a war, like a memorial commemorating, the deaths of those people and these were not. These were not for the most part. These were not well off folks. These were sort of the point, right? These were common peop-. Yeah. I mean the idea they had to, you know, because I mean, rich people would have been able to buy a plot, right? And you certainly didn't have to lease. That's not the law says they couldn't afford to buy a grave plot. So they were able to Lisa one of these municipal cemeteries, Muslims or whatever, right. Absolutely. I would air on the side of scientific benefit and historical commemoration. Guanajuato mayor Dr Duardo Hicks at back in two thousand seven initiated the Guanajuato mummy research project and invited several scientists to go down and spend more than a year, exploring the origin and the development of the mummies. And it's also been a subject of National Geographic. Documentary series, which I'm gonna tell you the name of it. I haven't seen the series, but the name throws me off your ready. I am the mummy roadshow. Nice. So it's sort of like the antiques roadshow with mummies? Yeah, I feel yeah, that's a little glib. But in these recent years, they've learned a lot about the people, the individuals who were interred here in the later displayed in this museum, it's it's an incredibly interesting article. And if you would like to read it, let me know ridiculous historians and we just posted up there. And if you are person who does not wanna see the visuals of this stuff, we completely understand. This particular article has a no photographs. Oh, I think that's a pretty good place to leave. There's certainly if you're into photographs, there's plenty of them out there and these are really pretty upsetting images to be honest, but it's also their strangely beautiful. I want to say very haunting. As you may have gotten from that Ray Bradbury pass. And it really apparently severely affected him and that he felt the need to write this piece to kind of exercise of the demons from himself. And I could see that when it smells like in their been probably kind of musty like an old library or something because these these corpses would not have had a a smell of purification because everything was just dried up, right? The moment -cation happened. So rapidly a, like a lot of museums have probably just smells old and some inexplicable way, but our senses are so vulnerable to our pre existing mental states. Right? So maybe we are mentally capturing the smell. It probably probably smells like cleaning cleaning supplies because there's a lot of glass, so I'm sure they have to use the tunnel windex probably smells faintly clean. Yeah, we a little bit of chemical smell and I have a question too. So so far we have. We've covered a very interesting specific type of vampire native to the Phillips. Beans. We've looked at mummies, although they were not monster mummies from an old universal horror film or something. What particular monsters are historical cases of monstrosity should we should we look at next, we look at the trials of where wolves. That's always an interesting strange path to go on. One of the things we did the other night, and we had a game night at the game called wear wolf, where I ended up falsely accusing several of my closest friends and co workers of being where wolves and had them lynched, and they made them they were. They were village. They were townspeople the whole time and they'll be able to get myself for that. They probably won't be able to forgive you either. That's okay. I deserve it deserve, but in their memory, we should in fact research something about where wolves, I think that's smart. Yeah, let us know if there's a where we'll story. The particularly stands out to you. I'd love to Ben. You might be saying, but how on earth do I contact you guys? Well, it's. Simple. We've got good news. If you're on the internet, you can find us on Instagram. You can find us on Twitter. You can find us on Facebook imperturbable. 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"We've all heard the stories about Bundy Dahmer Casey and the terrible things that they've done. Those terrible things can only happen to those people. Right small town murder brings some levity to the most brutal and gruesome true crimes that happen in small towns. The world over the hosts are Comedians who research small towns what makes them tick and a murder that happened there for those thinking that true crime and comedy don't mix host China to make fun of the victims or the victims families but it's hard. Not Make Fun of a murderer who thinks that a tractor would be a good escape vehicle head over to apple podcast, stitcher spotify or wherever you prefer to listen to podcasts and search small town murder. We are. is a September listener episode. Yeah. I think. So sure yet ambi September, it's almost fall and if it's October happy second September. Well, it's not Tober I think we'd be prepared for Halloween month. Well, actually. I. Don't think we'd be prepared. 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My GRANDPA was in popular local band in La and my grandma was a local model and was mainly along for the ride with with my GRANDPA's band. Good hours. Yeah. They like to say that they were just quote young hippies living the rock and roll life but still showered. That's an important caveat affect hybrid i. being in the early, their early twenties they they attended a lot of house parties and went to many clubs and one summer night. My grandmother decided to go to a house party in Hollywood and she says that as soon as she got there, she knew the vibe was off but she decided to shrug it off, grab a drink and try to enjoy the night and all through the night strange young woman kept approaching her. Ignoring the concept of personal space completely and kept inviting her to spend time on the ranch they lived. Oh so they were like recruiting Gherardi anyone's ranch ever. knows. 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Hi Y'all to jump right into it. Nobody's cracking into it today, which is a little bit off offline and jumping and jumping in fallen, tumbling down the stairs just somersaulting right into an to jump right into it. I was almost kidnapped when I was around eleven over the summer between sixth and seventh grade My mom had dropped me off at the library while she went grocery shopping and I was going absolutely buck wild picking out books because I a huge reader back in the day it's the mental illness and escapism is it Yeah I mean I can. I can confirm that on my end. That's a Tech Talk I. think that what it is maybe it's Didn't feel so dumb I'm not cool and hip enough for that. I've seen it when it's like I spent two hundred dollars at the grocery store and now I'm ordering Post Melissa Mental Illness isn't it? That's definitely what? It says I n not in yet yeah. Well, halfway into the Chirpin. Probably ten chosen books deep because that's how many I tended to get on any given trip I realized I'd forgotten both my library card and shiny brand new cell phone. Absolutely absurd to think that I'd ever forgot my phone nowadays but I wasn't used to carrying it around yet. So I had no way to contact my mom to tell her to get my library card or just pick me up. So I had to wait for her instead of sitting down with one of the books I wanted to get and reading I put all the books back in proceeded to go into the main lobby that was passed a little metal detector things that would go off if you dared to leave without book checking out a book so had nothing to read while I waited. I have no idea what my thought process was. Maybe I just didn't WanNA, start a book and not be able to finish when she came to pick me up but she probably had her card. So I could use its check out my books. Who knows I was one weird ass kid nothing can explain my thought process but so there was in the main lobby sitting next to the entrance doors just people watching as everyone came and went because there was literally nothing else for me to do except maybe go back inside and read a fucking book absolute domes-. That was not me that was Hollis is to himself to. Can you imagine if I was like? Yeah, you dumb. Office story. Eventually this one lady who looks to be in her mid forties was leaving the library when she glances at me, then does a double take before rushing over to me. Why been watching her, I'd also been eighty percent spacing out. So her suddenly sitting next to me on the bench made me jump she immediately put her hand mine and told me she thought she'd come to the library that data return some books but was wrong. And I asked her what she meant in a very small spooked voice because I was eleven and didn't know you could tell adults fuck off. And to be fair I'm now twenty three and still sometimes don't know I'm I'm twenty nine and I still don't know. So don't worry also like like a little flare of the dramatic there you sit down and say something cryptic like that expecting them to be like, what do you mean? To be like I thought like imagined a stranger. Yeah. I thought I was coming to drop off some books but I was wrong. ABC Yeah. What are you GonNa say, Oh, that's nice. I'm glad to figure it out what you were here for them i. that's so lovely. Thanks for holding my hand. So Gross. But she proceeds to tell me that actually she was out here Christ. Okay. Here we go. She proceeds to tell me that actually she was sent by God to save me right now by from what? She kept calling me a lost soul told me. I didn't have to live this way I'm assuming that she meant I duNNo. Listen I don't know these references what. I'll teacher a FAB. FAB. FAB Is. Assigned female at birth. Okay. Good. That's what I thought but then I was like I sorry I blanked too because I was had my Tiktok hat on and I was like I'm ready to teach you something cool than eight fat out ACA the time. So now. Just, throw. Okay. Babe as a way of saying like trans slash non binary slash gender non conforming slash. Sandra right that was that you were born in Sinement, right? Okay. MIC Sense. I just love all these asides in this story. Okay. I'm assuming that she meant I. Don't know like being an eighth avenue connects with shorts and looks fifteen when they're eleven who knows and that I absolutely needed to go to church with her that was just down the street it'll be super-quick I swear. Imagine being it'll be super-quick if you have to like like defend what you're suggesting I don't like the new probably it's already jamie taken inward look because you know what shady if you're doing like a double excusing the behavior before it's even questioned? Yeah exactly. I told her I was waiting for my mom wasn't a good enough answer for her because this was my eternal soul we were talking about A. Little the next. Associate, put her hand on my arm and said that her priest was weight of for God's sake that our priest was waiting for us and my mom would understand this was important I wanna go to hell yes. Oh boy for again wearing a V neck shirt in the summer or whatever I kind of freaked out over her putting her hand on me again. So it jumped up and told her I had to leave before running into the bathroom to hide in the stalls which one what if you're a fab like which bathroom maybe the maybe just get away from her I would I would say the employee bathroom hopefully. Staff Bathroom. Yeah I was like just get away from because if you go into a single person bathroom, hopefully, you can like lock something with a lock. Yeah. Because I was afraid that this is now crawling. Or something exactly this person chasing actually we're out to get the answers. Okay, I'm glad it was on it I'm glad we ask immediately before you tell us because we insist on you said a Fab and then you said bathroom and then my brain by by habit is not like which one and there's someone chase sit attornal soul and you don't seem to be hung up on that one I. Hear that a lot from the Duggar gotta gotTa gotTA gotta get. Okay let's see running to the bathroom to hide in the stalls looking back. I kind of regret not going into the library where people were but I'm not sure anyone would have helped Iran into the handicapped stall locked the door and backed up against the wall before I heard the door open and it was her this is a monster does this horrifying? She followed me to the bathroom she walked right up to the stall I was in I could see her feet. And asked me to go to her church again insisting my mom would understand me leaving because I would be going with a trustworthy person to do something important. This was for my soul I had to. A couple minutes of me not responding the store rattled like she was trying to open. For Goodbye and she side before saying if I change my mind, I could find her at the church down the street the library parentheses there were literally three of those. So like sure not asking which one and she left, I waited maybe five minutes after I heard early before coming out and thankfully she was actually gone maybe this person like no wonder you don't read anymore I'd be like. LIBRARIES ARE NOT MME. This is traumatizing enough. When my mom finally came and picked me up I didn't tell her about what had happened because I was worried she wouldn't let me go to the library alone anymore priorities. and. So you're looking for an excuse not to read but I I, think he Didn't take it that way. I. Would have just however needed to your like actually I once heard a story about a person was traumatized at a library. So that's I at that time there, and therefore is simple. I had to I had to actually experience hearing this story throw hands. Okay, I was worried. She wouldn't let me go to the library alone anymore priorities Yo, and while posted the story on, read it till my best friends and detailed it to my current therapist. I still haven't told her or anyone else in my family. I'm just like that fun fact also I didn't realize this traumatized until I told my friends earlier this year and that it contributed to my religious trauma specifically until I told my therapist. Go to therapy everyone it really helps sorry if this was a little long and I hope you enjoyed it I spent a long time debating if I should send this in or a different story about my life like about my haunted house or high school kind of soccer or couple other things that have happened to me or my family. Thank you so much, Hollis. To not go with that person thank God and like it's you wouldn't have blamed a child for going what what I mean like like I'm a I'M A. Church going woman in need to come with me to pretend you're model wants you to Ya. That's frightening So thank you all for that story. Sorry like butchered some of the commentary. No knowledge is. Okay. So the next one I have is from becks who goes by them. Thank you for normalizing pronouns, backs, Hi everyone I, e mails once before with the scariest experience I've ever had last week I was visiting with my brothers who were with me when this happened and they told me additionally terrifying details that I had either repressed or simply forgotten and what I thought. The original story was was up my. My mom on the verge of divorce and my dad took all three of the kids on a road trip to see new parts of the US and decide if we want to move to. Wyoming her coming from California the thought of moving to Wyoming was terrifying enough and somewhere closely yellowstone national park around two. In the morning we decided to pull over to the side of the road. So my mom to get some sleep we had been looking for a hotel but not having much money and needing to get on the road early in my mom decided against spending money to sub for sub four hours. we were driving the forest and I remember looking up through the back window into the night and in the end the trees, and suddenly I'm waking up, we're moving again and I still see trees set against Pale blue morning sky I sit up looking my brothers and ask why are we moving again and three shocked faces stare back at me as my brothers ask you don't remember. What okay. My whole body just like. Just like goose camped out, they then recounted that I had sat straight up twenty or thirty minutes after we had stopped at the woodsy pullout and I had screamed we have to get out of here. They're coming they're coming OK m no pointing and looking out the back window I wouldn't stop screaming until we moved God not one to get caught in some crazy some crazy stuff. My mom drove away and I had fallen asleep. At night lutely no memory of this looking back I'd wondered if a Angel had woken me up and used me to get my family the heck out of there. End of story or so I thought for the last fifteen years and turns out there were still ready. So scary I know there are more okay or so I thought and for the last fifteen years. Turns out. There were some other events that happened in. The story. So my mom had seen a man dress and enfold time black suit walking towards the car by not more than thirty feet away from US approaching the back of the van. She saw me in the rear she saw him in the rear view mirror and moments before she saw him, my mom and older brothers heard swing music soaring to play all around us. Fit, like a time slippers. I don't like this I. Don't like it one tiny bit how arms are bumping mine too I feel like my body's pain in pain. My younger brother remembers seeing my mom's face as she stared at the black window where I had been screaming and pointing to as she watched the man in the suit approach car my younger brother still dreams of swing music increase ass men in a dark. Forest, and each revealed the swing music and each dream reveals the swing music in the man both details my older brother confirmed with him about ten years. Later, we hadn't spoken about in a really long time and I still remember none of these details or screaming out that they were approaching us. It gives me serious. He BG bees to even type it out. GonNa go pray and ask my very. Ask for. An, ask the Sassy Tarot cards to bless my dreams. I'll send some vibes your way. LEAST PSI recently came to my family as gender fluid, Slash Queer, and using day than pro pronouns. The shows helped me through and gave so much hope I learned about self acceptance and self love because of your friendship gives me hope also attached as a pickup. I see. She is nineteen years old. She looks like a spring. Chicken. Look at the happy. Oh. My Gosh don't know if we're allowed to show their face, but there's there's the puppy dog oh my. Sauce. That's that's. GonNa that creepy creepy creepy story and I I was already scared. I thought it was done I. thought that was it. I thought the missing detail was that they woke up in the script I mean swing music I've just never heard of anything more tariff. That's like if you could pick a creepy music if I time travel to the twenties and all I heard was swing every second I'd be like who's and you know weird is that Is Killing me now. It's Weirdos like seeing the the guy walking in a suit like. If you were in the middle of Nowhere Wyoming, why would a person be walking around in suit and why would they start up the music that like why they clearly had something in mind and the fact that multiple people sought it wasn't like a dream you know what I mean. No thank you. No. Thank you. but also thank you for sending that in Yikes Yorker House becks. Thank you, becks. Who that really gave me the creeps I hated that one. So this is from Abigail who's say them Pronouns Think Abigail Hey, my wonderful wonderful, and that's why we drink famine here to beg for advice Oh don't look at us. We're not the people to help in bag. We'll probably. Beg alongside you. There was someone else. because. Well, I fucked up. My Name is Abigail twenty two and in. May I. Send my very closely to an apartment oh. Okay. Well. Carry on the super exciting right wrong. You may or may not have read about my listeners story about my ghost cat saving my real cat. Oh, my since then some hello spooky should've started happening had sleep paralysis four times since I moved in which has never happened to me before each time laying in bed and see a man standing in my bedroom doorway just screaming. Just screaming just screaming just screaming just screaming on through screamed of. At me the dramatic not at me but still scaring the hell out of me. Then my Strelitz, I have around my kitchen bar start falling while I was sleeping I work nights and sleep days but normally wake up after it's dark outside again it's always unsettling to wake up in a pitch black apartment when I know turn my string lights on before bed. Since I've been having these things with a capital t happen, I decided to do some research on the property which I should have done before I signed the one year lease I learned that last year Oh God. I learned that last year two little girls drowned in the pool. Okay Tragic. But what really sent chills down my spine is that in twenty till twelve, a drug deal gone bad led to someone setting a building on fire which killed a twenty year old man on the third floor when the firemen couldn't reach him in time Shit. I started digging around doing my research and asking management and maintenance men which unit the guy died in that you can see where this is going. Mina he died in my bathtub from smoke inhalation after he woke up too late to get out than the wall collapsed and he was found in the rubble. Oh my God see. Okay, this is I. Don't have a bathtub in my apartment but anytime, we've been to a hotel with a bathtub. I can't even think about getting in a bathtub of like enjoying a bath yet. Even I always like we're gonNA take a bath and you're like, well, there's probably dead. I just. Someone has died in a hotel bathroom in some way and it could be the one that's. One I just you've google up before remember. Yeah remember. Yeah I mean you know I even like I had some weird it really got to me at some point I start bringing flipflops even wearing the shower because I was like a dead body could have been here and like I know that. They may be replaced the entire GODDAMN TUB in it's not the same thing buys feeling like energy is still there but the flip flops will stop it from full I stayed in when I was in Vermont I fish what my flesh touch should a story that I'm not a part of but like okay. In Vermont I stayed in this motor lodge that had a hot tub in it that clearly was there since like the sixties or seventies when I was like, absolutely, there's probably scarier things that have happened in that than dying probably really. I don't even WanNa the storylines for. I don't WanNA touch my body I do not want. Thank you certainly thought about it. Probably. So anyway, bathtubs freaking out across the board and especially in like hotels multiple people with multiple stories for whatever reason like in those early like nineties into thousands horror movies it was always in a bathtub someone drowned or like like what lies beneath and she with us I mean no thank you. Okay, anyway. He died in my bathtub from smoke inhalation after he woke up too late to get out then the wall collapsed and he was found in the rubble F- since learning this I've been showering my parents or friends please wait you. Yeah. I don't either and I'm terrified to sleep alone. What do I do out see here we go. This is where you walk. Well M says. which isn't helpful. Ever take a bath ago Erin me. You having paranoia like me is this arson victim the reason my sleep paralysis is just a man's screaming. I didn't even put those all together as my thought to cause I was like, why would he be screaming at first I? Thought it was a girl had died. that but the fire makes more sense. In. Your doorway, which makes me wonder, do you think that he sees them and is like help me or do you think it's just like laying jewel like may remain the doorway maybe he was in the doorway freaking out that he was probably GonNa die and that's like the last battle also, my wonder I wonder if like there since string lights come down and turn off I, wonder if it's like trying to get their attention, I dunno ill it's so creepy though I yeah. I don't know how you do this but I would have someone come in and bless that space and help that thing. I guess I think that's what our listeners would say. Yeah. Cleanse it. Not by me I don't know how to do Yono find someone who knows how to do it. A Lot. Are Dumb. Asses. Anyway okay. What do I do? Is this arson victim the reason why sleep processes just a man screaming I still have eight months of this lease by the way and it's quarantine. So they're probably stuck home you know what I mean. Is it? Is still eight months on this lease left and can't afford to leave. I know I'm just a listener struggling you're not just a listener you're now. You're not just your. Character in my nightmares. I wonder it'd be interesting if not for this person but it for me as someone who doesn't have to deal with this, it would be interesting. In theory to like sleep on the couch or like at a different angle rec- the Dory from a different position at some point and see if they're still facing a bathroom or did they move with you also is the bathroom like attached to your rumors in a different part of the apartment because out right change up why they're in your doorway 'cause. Yeah. If they're if they're following you wherever you fall asleep, you still experience them that maybe it's more for your tennis to get your couch and let us know what happens for. The complete opposite side of the apart oh boy. Okay. I know I'm just a listener struggling, but my family doesn't believe in the paranormal my boyfriend system over-reacting and I'm at a complete loss throw whole boyfriend away. If. You've time I'd love some advice I love the show. Thanks for giving me something other than my living situation to scare the shit out of me Abigail. I listened dot call that priest listen I. Don't know what to do except that I would maybe find somebody who knows how to like like a real actual professional who knows how to do that. Tell your boyfriend you wanNA switch apartments. Yeah. That's a great idea. He doesn't care. Does he so I'm here boyfriend stay there for the time being and you can trade yeah. I. Love that idea. All right. Well, thank you and also I'm very. Through that with have to say this is from Rachel. And Rachel totally probably by accident does not normalize pronouns at least in this email. So I'M GONNA WE'RE GONNA assume they them until further notice just because I don't want to go there not until I don't WANNA I? Don't WanNA. Rachel. Gets called out on air and. Also this could be an older it's probably yeah there's probably I don't think it's actually like Rachel's fault or anything. But I don't know your pronouns and so I don't WanNa lean one way or the other I'd rather say not an even Keel with them and even neutral thing so. Anyway, just falling down the stairs in a very neutral way we stumble on on through. Third as Bingo. So this one I hate the subject line already racially really thrown me for a loop. I found my babysitter was I found out. My babysitter was murdered while watching TV, show with my mom. So many questions Oh many unpack I thought it was GONNA say while watching TV show with my babysitter and I was going to be like, oh It's all bad. It's all Ben. Hello fellow drink aficionados will I love it I actually found out about this podcast through Chew Sandy. We Really I'm only on episode four right now and I'm obsessed so nice. Thank you. I. Wanted to share the story What do you call them call sandy years you know what? We don't I don't think we have a name. For them for like listers I mean trying to think of one beach goers I dunno beach maybe we do and I'm just blanking. YELP YELP elite status I don't know you're the one stars we call us I don't know. Yeah we we say we'd give you six stars if we could to people who write in San the sand monsters. Thank you sand monster. That's your new pronouns. Sinister Rachel. So, where all our review the hell. What month it is who knows? I wanted to share the story that I thought you guys be interested in because it's extremely creepy and baffles my family even to. See Their on episode four. So they don't even properly. No. Our pronouns probably at this point. So probably who's to say what there are. Actually. It's San Monster so so Yeah you decided I forgot when I was five, which is back in the early two thousands. My family lived in Japan for a few years. I am the youngest of four with three older brothers. My Dad worked fulltime at a university in Tokyo. My mom was a stay at home mom however, she volunteered a lot. So we need babysitters. So often we had this babysitter for a few years who actually lived with us for a short time and she was from the states and just wanted to travel while she was young and was working for families as a live in nanny or a part-time babysitter. Steals. I remember her being very sweet and extremely kind hearted before we moved back to America, she left us and we had never heard from her again. Oh, we didn't think anything of it because she was just a young girl twenty seven was a wandering soul say all the babysitter I've never heard from again I, don't I have one who's actually one of my very close friends. Now that's cool which is weird 'cause I am the age she was she used to babysit that's really trippy and now, and then when I was a teenager I it was like a full circle because I babysat hurricanes Oh that's nice. Yeah it's very sweet. Well, see Flash thousand seventeen my mom and I are huge crime TV show junkies Elliott and I blame my obsession on her. To Watch CSI law and order at ten years old I can also Glenda for that is because they always believe. That's what I do. I mean obviously. We're just going to turn to our parents and we're going to do the same thing with our kids exactly. We were watching a TV show called forensic files ever heard of Christine now what does that FSI call it We were about five minutes into the episode and they were talking about a young woman who had gone missing Japan two, thousand seven. Okay. This is actually really creepy that it would be spun because there are a lot of episodes of forensic files out there. Obviously. Our attention grabs and we watched intently as they described this woman and how she was moving family to family as a baby sitter a nanny. Then they started flashing photos of the woman and on our TV screen if flashed a photo of my family with her and no, they saw themselves on TV which by the way like that's that can't be right like there's gotta be like some consent form that thinks. Or maybe it was just blurred faces and they knew it was maybe they were like that's my dress. Yeah. That's my. That's those are my those are my healy's my light. Wow that is yourself on TV and forensic files. Something you really hope to never experience. Exactly. Yeah. We had to positively and rewind multiple times because we couldn't believe it screaming. I beginning face times left and right from you if you Mike I, am I on. Instagram live or something it'd be like I. Feel like I'm a twilight zone. Well, as it turns out, babysitter had gone missing a few years after she lived with us she moved into her own apartment and soon after was just never heard from again and little do we know her next door neighbor had become obsessed with her and within her first month of living there abducted and murdered oh? My God. I don't want to go into details about it but it was absolutely gruesome. She was declared missing for four years before forensic analysis. Forensic analysts discovered her killer to this day, my family and I are so creeped our also flabbergasted that there were photos of us on TV but they they never contacted us okay and they had never we'd never given photos of our family out with her into any. How did they get those? That's true. ooh, that's my creepy story and that is why I drink. Cheers friends. PS. Thanks to the podcast I'm on an eight hour drive today and slowly dying inside to make it fun five stars. You. Even Andy Are you me chef's kiss Rachel that's so Sui. Thank you monster we. Pretend, monster today I love that? I love that ending but oh, my God. That's horrific I'm sorry that's just horrific. I don't even know how awful do you remember seeing a Nepomuceno and there are like hundreds of episodes I'm like, I don't even think I would register that you know will. Now if you saw that episode at least you know in one of those family photos. To render pronouns or San Monster Yeah that's right. There's the San Monster and forensic files civic. Look. That's crazy. I am to be missing for four years that's off. It's really bad. It also makes me wonder like what was going on in that person's family life for four years no one contacted anyone or will it said that they were missing for four years? All right right. So they knew they were missing that that she was missed. I had painted it out the like no one even knew no, no such she they were like looking for four years till somebody forensic analyst. yikes okay. I'll have to go find that episode Oh my gosh is this the last one? All this is going really sad fast is going really fast. It's not going. Awesome. Okay if you're here for also happen for sorry try again next, I'll wait. This is an email from shady sadie she her Pronoun. She, her shady sadie wow, that's a tongue twister. it's called listener story true crime just got a little too true for my taste. Boy Did I. Ask for True Crime is that what's happening I must have because these we usually only get go he once I dunno well, that one was a go see with fire and the guy that the shy the. Melrose. Anyway I'm into it whatever it is. Okay. Hello Eva. First of all. Thank you so much for choosing my narcolepsy story a couple episodes. So to go I, remember the story it's because we were like fat talk about narcolepsy ourselves for awhile. Okay. I couldn't believe it when I heard Christine read it. I. Didn't want to write again and clog up your inbox when I already got a story shared. This is a to a two timer. That I don't know maybe. Lead, not many not many. But then I found something that completely shook my world view and I just have to tell someone about it. I'm from a very small town rural Minnesota and not a whole lot I feel like I remember Shady Sadie now because it's a very specific name I don't remember shady. sadie. But I'm still unimpressed all over again we called her that. said that that advocate just take credit I'm like I am. I'm so impressed with us. With San, Monster, so Role relay that does Andy Real sadie I don't know if that's true. So just ignore me. I'm from a very small town in rural Minnesota and not a whole lot happens there. It's a kind of town where no one locked their doors and all those cliches but back in Nineteen eighty-six, a woman named Nancy Doherty. was found dead in her home she had been beaten assaulted and strangled she fought back. So the police were able to collect DNA from her murderer from underneath her fingernails always freaks me out. Fortunately didn't match any criminal database at the time. There were no leads in the case went almost immediately like all uncomfortable topics in small towns nobody brought it up and it was slowly forgotten about my family didn't move to town until nineteen ninety-six. So we weren't even aware of the murder. So what does this have to do with me? Well, my mom works at a therapy center for the mentally and physically disabled. It is not an easy job because America cares so much about its disabled population their funding is basically nonexistent. So my mom and her coworkers are overworked and underpaid. Well, what a what a shock to my system yikes not. It takes a lot of compassion but strength and love to do what she does and not very many people are able to do it. When we bump sounds like about us, there's an extremely high turnover turnover rate because very few people are willing or able to give clients. The kind of support they need. My mom has worked there for almost twenty years, and for the last ten of those years, she had a partner named Mike. This is when the music starts to. Michael was amazing at his job. He was kind he was patient and he was competent the clients all loved him and he was great with them. He and I worked on the centers float for. He and I worked for the centers on the centers float for the fourth of July parade every year since two thousand eleven he would always buy us root beer and help me fundraise for all my school trips like a pillar of the community sounds like a hashtag pillar to killer. OPEC is what pillar of community we need a new acronym for that? That's not gonNA work. Working, where pillar of the community I guess, we should just dispel it out the other the community. He and I he. I even used to babysit his children before I left for college real pillars. Celebrate. A real from biller killer a few months ago. One of my family members submitted DNA to one of those genealogy websites up boy I. Bet you can see where this is going through that sample. They were able to figure out that it was Mike's Blood Underneath Nancy Doherty's fingernails. Oh well, hillary killer right like big time big time he was arrested and taken into custody three days ago Holy Holy. Shady sadie this emails from August fifteenth. So this is really recent. Days seven days ago. So this week Yeah Holy Shit. Are you are new reporter. Radio City. Round. Live from the streets of small town Minnesota. Okay. Mike's Blood Underneath Nancy's fingernails. He was arrested and taken into custody three days ago. This is absolutely shaken my perception of reality still reeling and cannot make sense of it. Mike honestly one of the nicest people I know and to think he's even capable of murder is beyond my suspension of disbelief. My Mom is absolutely devastated I. Guess some people really aren't what they seem. anyways thanks for reading stay safe team wine. You know it's shocking to me that let's let's say I'm a pillar of the community. Know you are certainly sure. I say it also is a killer, right? Correct. Phrase, killer. No? No, no no no no. No. Only a pillar would come up with that. No. If I if I had murdered someone. Yeah. It's because like I'm too like. Anxious or emotional or empathetic I imagined to be a killer like you're you're prompted to be like I'm not on the same wavelength I. Think it depends on the scenario, but it sounds like this was pretty cold blooded murderer. Yeah. If I if I did something like that and then. Even. If I got away with it like my paranoia would eat me alive like I couldn't be a pillar of the community. So happy and kind and everyone knows muses friendly person. I would be like known as like the very tense jumpy person who? Is always like scared every time like and then later and I got caught people be like that. Make sense be who probably call it and be like there's something to check out there. There's someone is very skittish. Should I work on the parade float is really questionable exactly so i. Always kind of impressed and intrigued by like I was serial killers can just do that but I guess they also will have a different. Yeah I. Obviously, we have no room to make any diagnoses. But like if you think about people who have sociopathic psychopathic tendencies can just like put it up. They don't care compartmental just know what people want and what people are looking for in A. Pillar of the community and work on an Babysit, my kids and I mean, can you imagine being the kid or the wife who literally had? No idea I mean if if Shady Sadie had no idea and worked so closely with our sin and then like. I imagine his family doesn't know right like until now it's gotta be I want and that is a whole could be its own drama television series. It's like what if the like his his partner knew something was a little off. And then you find out like a whole like ground breaking news like that. We'll uneven with the gold sale killer. There's all that guilt associated like HBO documents. How did I not see it right or like so I mean obviously that guilt is you know not anybody's not your fault but just wild I think about it very often. I'm like what if Alison is a serial killer? Yeah I think about it too often. Enough for someone who has a true crime we both lived with her. So hopefully, not 'cause I, think if if she were a serial killer, we'd both be in big trouble so I would be surprised but I also would be like I thought about it. Enough Times. At this point, they should. Be Clear Allison's not a serial killer. I think I don't think it's also nice to know that I don't have the the lack the I guess the lack of emotional capacity to be a serial killer like everything else goes wrong in my life is like we lease worse killer murderers because we would be like. I have a secret if I ever did anything I would just turned myself in. It's like I. Have I have way too much when I have to tell each other 'cause, we can't keep seated. Immediately absolutely anyway this anyway, that's our hands eighty. Eighty it's really scary and that must just turn your like you said like beyond your suspension of disbelief imagine your paranoia about everybody. You Know How do you trust anybody like back? Shadow shatter trust yeah. Okay I'm not surprised three days into that information you needed to reach out to somebody yeah, and I'm glad you did and I'm glad that you may be one of our first to firs ever and if there was one before I'm sorry probably already yelled about that before. But as you can see, we don't even remember who invented Shady Sadie. I'm going take the credit. Yeah. Probably just you I've just seen. US Even like nobody gave me any sort of inkling that it was. We're GONNA. Look like it's just simply it was me I created that it was me San Monster Sadie who on monster okay anyway. Thank you for listening to US ramble and Rant, Dake you listeners sending in your own stories and making our lives wonderfully simple in that we just get to enjoy your stories creeped out any surprises if you would like to. Send in your own stories you can do that on our website and that's why I drink dot com you can email us, but it's definitely much easier. 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